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[speaker002:] okay what do you feel are some of the main problems
[speaker001:] well I'm in a I'm in an urban area I'm in Dallas
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and we're finding that crime is going up very quickly and has become a major problem uh even a more major problem uh in Dallas some of the major problems um drugs seems to be related related to quite a bit of the crime we have now there is a lot of theft a lot of assault dealing with uh people trying to get money for drugs
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] and uh I think that's a national problem though it's not unique
[speaker002:] it it it's pretty bad here too we've had a lot of murders drug related and stuff and in Durham which is right next to Raleigh
[speaker001:] yes uh-huh well now we're pretty close to the golden triangle aren't you
[speaker002:] yeah that that Durham Raleigh and Chapel Hill is the triangle
[speaker001:] right research triangle and all of that and um
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] I'm sure you have a lot of students there uh and a lot of researchers so you you may have a you know perhaps a little better economic climate but in all your cities now it seems like there there's a a crowd that's really effected by this bill
[speaker002:] yeah it's it's really it's and and I've seen in more in Durham than I have in Raleigh or or
[speaker001:] really
[speaker002:] or Chapel Hill Chapel Hill is kind of a a ritzy city or whatever I mean it's kind of I'm I'm sure there's problems with it but it has a pretty low crime rate compare compared to to Durham has probably got the worst they've had like forty eight murders since the beginning of the year and over half of it's been drug related
[speaker001:] really hm well here uh I'm not sure how many Dallas has had I've uh Houston is averaging about two a week or three or four I I don't know a a number every week
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] uh Dallas is having quite a few it seems like most of ours are occurring in late at night or or like I say drug related uh I guess the other thing was that are causing a lot of the crime now is the decrease in values seems like a a lot of people don't hold human life quite as high as perhaps they used to
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] um I
[speaker002:] well that and the and the economy's so bad and
[speaker001:] the economy is lousy
[speaker002:] and so many people have been laid off and stuff they've done special stories on the news local news here we've had a lot of bank robberies and different lot of break-ins and stuff
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] I know like a week or so ago I live in a in a town house which is you know it's a pretty nice neighborhood and this lady was going to work she came home and everything in her house was total gone light fixtures everything and nobody thought any different they just thought she was moving it was a moving man pulled right up to her house broke in and stole everything she owned
[speaker001:] boy that really that really takes someone who's bold to do that
[speaker002:] well yeah it's it's it's pretty bad
[speaker001:] well now do you find that security is very good in in a in a town home
[speaker002:] um I would say so for the majority in in our in my little section of the neighborhood because there's always somebody at home and we all know one another and and on our one little section of the street we all know one another and know that we're not moving and different things like that it's I I'm
[speaker001:] uh-huh well that
[speaker002:] I'm probably the one of the youngest people that live over here most people are are retired or or
[speaker001:] I see
[speaker002:] or you know they're they're in their forties or or whatever so and I'm in my twenties so I I'm I'm out more than they are but they're at home at night so I really don't worry about anything
[speaker001:] yeah well I think you hit on one point there is you know each other I'm I'm in a neighborhood where we try to keep up with everything uh I am
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] oh about three blocks off a major road and uh a couple of blocks off another road that kind of runs I guess you would say the neighborhood road it runs between the high school and the the commercial districts and uh I'm over the northeast part of Dallas and it's a in a nice neighborhood the houses here uh before the recession were running two hundred thousand or so and course everything's down ten to twenty percent now
[speaker002:] yeah see that's the same thing here
[speaker001:] but we have uh one one thing that effects us is we have apartments that are probably about a half mile away and now that the economy is bad they have trouble keeping those full so they've dropped the uh uh they're not nearly as selective as they used to be
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] and course that's kind of like a cancer in an apartment complex you start letting that happen and they go down and then before you know it you have drugs and a lot of other things so uh I'm sure that aggravates it also
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] but unemployment now in Dallas or in Texas is up around six point |
[speaker001:] okay we're rolling I uh what what would you what would has your experience lead you to advise uh if my child were thinking of going to the Air Force Academy what would you say
[speaker002:] I'd encourage it
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] it's a good general education education education for a a bachelor's degree
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] and obviously and obviously it's where they don't have a any post graduate program there but you get a an excellent wide uh basis of topics you know you get a good broad education out of it you don't they don't graduate the best engineers or the best English majors but
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] maybe a graduate pretty good overall students out of there
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum um-hum how do you feel about it must be a somewhat different environment from a regular college how does that uh
[speaker002:] um
[speaker001:] how do you feel that is for someone at at that phase in their life
[speaker002:] well the for some people it's good because they maybe they need a little discipline need a little reining in at that that stage in their life uh other people it uh it's
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] uh suffocating you know you kind of choke on it um
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] it it depends on the person on the individual but uh the one factor I think
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] more than anything else in this day and age that's got to be a big factor in your decision's just the the cost of how much you're gonna pay
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] no matter where you go to school
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and if you've been in for twelve years I'm sure you've you've got a your share of student loans that uh you're probably going to be paying off or have been or
[speaker001:] well I sort of one of the reasons it's taken so long is I've been working uh you know it's sort of half student half working and source of income and stuff so I'm actually managing to do this with zero debt
[speaker002:] uh-huh oh that's good
[speaker001:] uh I couldn't you you couldn't do it otherwise
[speaker002:] oh yeah I mean I know people that graduated or that I went to high school with that went to civilian colleges and they they've got twenty thirty thousand dollar debts I mean you could have uh
[speaker001:] yeah I think if there's any major piece of advice I'd give is to find a way of getting an education that doesn't incur that kind of debt
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] it's not I mean I remember seeing an article one time about you know if the average person who spent that much money going to college just took the same amount of money and put it in a a in an investment fund they'd be considerably wealthier than they would be from the job they'd get after college so it's it's really kind of crazy
[speaker002:] exactly it's it's staggering when you think that just here in central New York is uh Hamilton College is just a few miles south of you know maybe about twenty miles to the south from where I am and uh
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] they're looking for twenty two thousand dollars for tuition and room and board now
[speaker001:] really
[speaker002:] a year
[speaker001:] huh
[speaker002:] at just a small I mean they they they are select it is a select college
[speaker001:] yes yes I know I was actually I think I was thinking of trying to get a job there I heard of it
[speaker002:] oh yeah but you're talking incredible tuitions now I don't know how many people actually pay the whole shot very few I would imagine but uh
[speaker001:] um-hum yeah
[speaker002:] I get I I just couldn't imagine I mean it's more money than I make in a year so you know it you know me being one person with a above the median
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] income for New York state you know I'm a second I'm a second lieutenant in the Air Force now and uh
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] I even even as a somebody making twice what I was making how could you put half of that into
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] to your child's education and then just when they make made make it to the college years it's
[speaker001:] yeah yeah
[speaker002:] my God I can't imagine
[speaker001:] well my my real feeling about about the purpose of undergraduate education is it's really the time yes you do get an education you do learn some things but you eventually forget most of it
[speaker002:] yes
[speaker001:] but what you don't forget is the growing up it's really the period when people become adults I mean people who don't go to college become adults in other ways but really it's the entry into adulthood I think and I think that the best way to choose a college is to decide what kind of environment you want to
[speaker002:] I'd
[speaker001:] be fostered in as you become you know as you gain new social skills as you become you know more of a functioning member of society and maybe the Air Force Academy is appropriate as you said for someone who you know a more you know who needs to learn self-discipline and so forth would be appropriate for them
[speaker002:] or or it's also a good environment it may be good for someone who already has self-discipline who has a certain amount of leadership quality in their own
[speaker001:] yeah and want to develop that
[speaker002:] and that yeah the same it's the same it can benefit different people different ways but uh
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] you know I I agree with that because I see people that I know a again from high school that I still keep in touch with that didn't go to college and
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] they do the same old things they did in high school
[speaker001:] the same patterns of behavior you mean yeah yeah
[speaker002:] and same patterns of behavior same uh same socializing same exact crowd that they hang with and it's like it's like frozen time you know
[speaker001:] exactly it's kind I find it kind of sad I really do
[speaker002:] it is it really is that they haven't found anything anything better that um or their experiences haven't been broadened at all that you know its a
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] it's a tremendous thing when you sit in a in a college environment and discuss some issues and really sit there with people with disagreeing opinions and you hear all these different sides of the story
[speaker001:] yeah right
[speaker002:] that you never thought of and uh that's another big thing I think people get out of college is the appreciation for different point differing points of view you know or different opinions
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum yeah in high school everyone sort of tries to have the same opinion it seems
[speaker002:] yeah exactly
[speaker001:] yeah yeah the the one thing I think that's no good for anyone is these monster institutions these institutions of thirty thirty thousand students
[speaker002:] oh I
[speaker001:] and I see some freshmen wandering around in there and they're they're just like you know someone from the country lost in the big city I mean they
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] they I don't see them getting I mean when I was undergraduate I went to a relatively small school for my first two years and then I transferred to a very large school
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and that worked out pretty well I went from a you know a second rate institution to a higher rate institution
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] but the first couple of years it doesn't matter to me what the quality of the education was I needed to make friends I needed to sort of learn the ropes you know there were things like that that mattered a lot more and I needed basic really simple education that you can get
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] pretty much anywhere for the first couple of years
[speaker002:] well your education's a lot what you make of it too so
[speaker001:] yeah yeah exactly and if you're alienated I mean I see people at supposedly really good universities who are just having such psychological problems that you think this isn't sinking in
[speaker002:] yeah well I I've seen more graduates from MIT and that being
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] I work in a in a laboratory an Air Force laboratory and so we've got a lot of uh MIT graduates that are in there and they are the biggest collection of screwed up people that I think I've ever run into even even more so
[speaker001:] yeah yeah
[speaker002:] uh like military academy grads are a strange lot too I I mean I have to admit confess to that
[speaker001:] yeah it's sort of a a rare select environment
[speaker002:] yeah and they they have their own quirks and tolerances and
[speaker001:] you know
[speaker002:] certain things that don't bother us at all that would drive other people nuts and then certain things that ways things we do the way we do it that drive other people nuts that
[speaker001:] yeah right right sure
[speaker002:] but these MIT grads are off in their absolute own world it it's a I I have more respect I have a lot of respect for MIT master's and doctorate uh
[speaker001:] yeah it's a top rated institution and now I
[speaker002:] degrees but but their undergrads are like I I'm amazed at at that's a lot of them even graduated
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] but uh I don't know
[speaker001:] well I I had known a lot of undergraduates who pick schools because they want the best reputation for a school not realizing that the reputation for MIT is because of the of the doctorate research
[speaker002:] right right
[speaker001:] and the professors who go there and you're not going to see the professors you know you're going to see some TA you know uh
[speaker002:] nope the
[speaker001:] so they put they they want you know they want the best and they don't think they think what the best is is reputation for for research and that's a one standard but it's not relevant to what they need
[speaker002:] yeah no it's interesting that you mention that I didn't think about that before when you were talking but the service academies have all all the faculty uh for the most part is is military with a few exchange
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] instruct professors from other schools but
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] uh having the military faculty is really beneficial because they see it as doing their job and spending time with the cadets there uh is investing in the Air Force and it or the the military itself it's the future officer corps and so
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] I hear horror horror stories from friends of mine that they could never see their instructors they could never get extra help
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] for me any time I needed extra help any time of the day
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] I had all my instructors home phone numbers and could call them you go to their office anytime I had some instructors that uh
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] would invite me over to their house for extended study things on weekends when I was having trouble with something and
[speaker001:] hm yeah you won't get that at MIT or Berkeley or anything like that and you can and you know you can't blame the professors either because you look at their job description you'd see you know teaching is third down on the list of importance things and
[speaker002:] no no and that no right right publish first and then
[speaker001:] yeah and and that's appropriate if the university is trying to do serious research because it's hard to be a researcher and a teacher at the same time
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] so I'd say go to a go to a college that has teachers people who really are committed to the students and can afford to be because that's their job
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] but oh well
[speaker002:] yeah it's there's a lot of factors that people don't ever ever consider
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] in in their selection of a college and uh I don't know maybe I wonder if if they enter these conversations that people have been having um that |
[speaker001:] okay uh I guess uh you have any uh favorite foods
[speaker002:] well I like to eat um I like to bake a lot I'm not a gourmet cook but um just enjoy a lot of old-fashioned cooking
[speaker001:] um-hum yeah I I used we used to get the uh magazine Gourmet and uh stuff like that uh I I did try
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] a few of the the recipes in there and
[speaker002:] well how did those those turn out
[speaker001:] uh well I made a a um a bread pudding uh fancy style and it came out really good
[speaker002:] um-hum well that sounds good my son takes the Gourmet um or the Bon Appetite
[speaker001:] yeah uh
[speaker002:] a magazine and he has prepared several dishes uh and they've turned out really well one of those is uh was I don't even I don't even know what the name of the recipe is to this point but um it was just beef cooked with a a lot of wine and and uh all kinds of spices the rosemary and those kind of things and it turned out really really well
[speaker001:] um-hum I see yeah I I do a lot of I did I've done some uh you know things like chicken and and stuff in there but I I deviate from it I I never like to follow sometimes if there's something uh in there that I I don't like I'll substitute it with something else and
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and so uh I like to experiment
[speaker002:] well well I do too uh in fact uh lot of times I will just uh decide on a a meat and then just put some things around it add some gravies or or um uh sauces and
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] the the thing I've found that's bad about that if I don't write it down while I'm being creative and it turns out wonderfully a lot of times the next time I think about it I don't have that recipe in mind I can't exactly remember exactly how I fixed it
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] so I've learned that when I am creative like that that I try and make sure I write that down
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] um one of the things that I have had a lot of fun doing is collecting recipes uh well not really a I don't have lots but I have collected a few recipes from restaurants and uh we have um I don't know what part of the country you're from in but I'm in Dallas
[speaker001:] I'm in the northern area up here in Wisconsin Minnesota
[speaker002:] okay well I'm in Dallas Texas and um here for years and years we've had a waffle shop downtown it's closed now but they had famous waffles and I happen to have that recipe right in front of me which is really um doesn't look like a heart healthy recipe at all but it's delicious if you're into waffles
[speaker001:] yeah uh well I I like waffles but I usually go to restaurant and eat them
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker001:] I uh I don't even have a waffle iron
[speaker002:] well you need one of those for sure but it has um like milk and it has half half-and-half in it
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and uh course real butter and
[speaker001:] I like all those things that aren't good for you
[speaker002:] the me too me too and I'm beginning to show it too
[speaker001:] yeah I uh I mean we we do use a lot of the the margarines and that but I do miss actual butter
[speaker002:] um-hum I don't uh use butter unless I do some special things uh usually around the holidays
[speaker001:] huh
[speaker002:] and I tend to um feel like I can justify use the use of butter during that time uh not only just you know to put into the recipes but to serve on the table too
[speaker001:] yeah well I I know it's something that my wife picked up was uh we uh made some um butter from uh you just take heavy whipping cream
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and you keep churning it until it turns to butter so
[speaker002:] well I've done that a couple of times not on purpose
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] I did that by accident a couple of times one of the things that I think I'm going to try this um uh this year for Thanksgiving is I um I've talked to a a gentleman who prepares turkeys by deep frying them have you heard of that
[speaker001:] no
[speaker002:] he deep fries the turkeys whole in a peanut oil and he says that um and I haven't tasted them um but he claims that they are juicy and just very very good um he prepares he can prepare up to a thirty two pound turkey uh with the method that that he uses which is just a big vat with you know lots and lots of the the peanut oil
[speaker001:] um-hum yeah
[speaker002:] so I think that I think that's um |
[speaker001:] oh no I hadn't heard about Bo Jackson though what happened
[speaker002:] well Bo was uh playing football actually you know he plays both football and baseball and baseball and he was plays and during a tackle he ended up either damaging his hip or you know injuring his hip
[speaker001:] yeah plays for the Raiders
[speaker002:] and there's been arthritis and he's been out for a number of of seasons games and it just as of announced today the Kansas City Royals put him up on waivers made him a free agent so they're saying now that Bo knows arthritis and it could be actually a career ending injury
[speaker001:] uh I didn't know that
[speaker002:] so they had uh they're having actually a special on today and they were mentioning that and even though Kansas City may have dropped him some other teams may pick him up but the big thing was that Nike uh the athletic shoe company is still going to keep him on as one of there cross trainer sponsors and since that makes him more money anyhow
[speaker001:] well yeah it does he has more money out of the uh ads than he does the game itself
[speaker002:] yeah he does it it's pretty amazing though how much he can get for endorsements anymore
[speaker001:] I well I think uh Joe Montana got something like a million dollars for saying I'm going to Disneyland
[speaker002:] I wouldn't be surprised whatsoever on the same program they had Michael Jordan they were saying that he gets about six million dollars for playing with the Chicago Bulls about I think two million dollars for endorsing McDonald's and fourteen million dollars for his endorsements with Nike and then of course he's got uh Wheaties also
[speaker001:] outrageous prices yeah
[speaker002:] and that's that's in a year that's uh what would you do with all that money
[speaker001:] uh I I wouldn't know what to do with it we just discussing what we'd do with five thousand
[speaker002:] yeah I could make that go a lot of places it's amazing anymore there's a also a program on this evening about the a very sports intensive evening it seems to be on TV about the business of college athletics
[speaker001:] uh the uh achievement for the let's see how are they putting that uh the school let's see the academic report board review board uh the dean's being it more involved with the athletes
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] yeah I was watching that
[speaker002:] yeah it it talked about all SMU and their the death penalty and how they're getting around all the regulations and rules and and things of that nature I guess anymore it's just a big business
[speaker001:] yeah well uh some of for most of the people I guess it is for some of them though they do it just for the love of it
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] uh
[speaker002:] I think it also probably also more is more as you get into the the big schools the ones that the TVs are going to cover and things anyhow when you still have the the lower sides or the smaller schools they're all doing it just for the for the love of the game because they're not getting the big revenues from anyone
[speaker001:] well that's not necessarily true though you know uh I'm an avid uh basketball fan of Bull
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and I know that the coach there gets a million dollars when he quits
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] or you know and so you know he's doing it because he wants to
[speaker002:] they actually mentioned a little on the fact that he's started to instigate a program where he's actually uh not necessary they say he's getting around the rules somewhat but it's actually sounds like a pretty good idea where he goes out and recruits other students who don't meet the minimum academic requirements to get into the college and and then qualify for a student athlete position and he takes them and signs some contract or something with them but sends them then then to junior college
[speaker001:] yeah I heard about that I haven't heard much about it though
[speaker002:] so at least that's uh some way that they're you know I I guess the best part about it you can't just drop off all scholarship scholarships because it does I would imagine at least in it's intentions help a lot of people who couldn't afford to go to school
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] but that seemed like it was actually uh you know if there's a good way to get around a rule that sounded like it was a pretty smart way
[speaker001:] you don't think yeah I don't know if it would be dishonest or honest though
[speaker002:] well uh at least it's hopefully still helping the the student
[speaker001:] yeah it's yeah it's helping the kids
[speaker002:] you're not uh going to graduate somebody who still can't read and write
[speaker001:] uh it's happened too much
[speaker002:] that's way too much yes it has
[speaker001:] yeah well we veered from the subject
[speaker002:] yeah but that's quite all right I think they just want to have some kind of normal conversation
[speaker001:] I hope so it's happened to me more than once
[speaker002:] does it
[speaker001:] yeah almost all the time
[speaker002:] really well there's been uh actually some pretty interesting interesting topics that I've had I've had things from uh tax reform to baseball to fishing those are the three I've participated in
[speaker001:] I haven't had anything on fishing I've had uh oh arts and crafts uh football basketball and baseball
[speaker002:] uh-huh well heck you
[speaker001:] child rearing or child day care
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and couple other things I can't remember
[speaker002:] wow sounds like you participated quite a bit
[speaker001:] yeah well almost everyday the the lines are open
[speaker002:] uh-huh do you normally receive the calls or is it pretty much split
[speaker001:] uh half-and-half
[speaker002:] is it well that's good
[speaker001:] oh you know uh I had to start out doing it I done it about five times and then uh here lately they I've been letting them catch me
[speaker002:] um-hum well that's good well it's been enjoyable speaking with you
[speaker001:] all right well you take it easy bye
[speaker002:] all righty good-bye |
[speaker001:] what part of the country are you in
[speaker002:] uh Pennsylvania yeah
[speaker001:] oh you are East or west I'm from Pittsburgh
[speaker002:] oh are you really what part of Pittsburgh
[speaker001:] yeah um the South Hills area Beaver County well originally Beaver County
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and uh where are you from
[speaker002:] uh Clarion County
[speaker001:] oh okay I know where that is
[speaker002:] I live we live out in the country
[speaker001:] yeah that's pretty out there What well
[speaker002:] yeah we have we have two children that live in Pittsburgh yeah
[speaker001:] oh okay yeah I got my brother and my whole family there I'm I'm talking to you from Dallas right now uh-huh
[speaker002:] oh oh you are do you work do you work for Texas Instruments then
[speaker001:] no my husband does and who how about you
[speaker002:] oh uh-huh no I'm just my son works for a computer a computer uh federal company you know
[speaker001:] place that that needed this well that's okay I guess it's an easy thing to do so you're you have a big do you have a rural house or what do you have
[speaker002:] so yeah uh we have a big old farmhouse that we've you know remodeled
[speaker001:] oh that's a uh-huh those are beautiful
[speaker002:] it had been you know of course a farm it's a farm community and we
[speaker001:] uh-huh yeah is it a is it a working farm or is it
[speaker002:] ours is not a working farm
[speaker001:] more more I can understand that that's probably what I would uh
[speaker002:] yeah I have a garden but you know we have a garden but we don't farm
[speaker001:] yeah I can hear the accent now I hear the I hear the Western Pennsylvania um we live uh we lived in Minneapolis for about five years we we originally lived in Dallas and we met and got married and then
[speaker002:] uh-huh uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker001:] um actually married in Pittsburgh and that's that's not what they want to hear on this call uh at any rate we came back here with my husband was transferred around uh up to Minnesota and now back to Texas with T I
[speaker002:] uh-huh uh-huh um-hum
[speaker001:] and we're leasing a uh two story town home in a section of Dallas they call North Dallas
[speaker002:] oh uh-huh
[speaker001:] and it's uh near a little town called Plano well it's not little any more
[speaker002:] uh-huh uh Grapevine do you know Grapevine
[speaker001:] uh yes that's out near the airport that's about forty five miles from us
[speaker002:] yeah my brother has a home there he's trying to sell he he's living now up uh in in Maryland but uh he lived lived in Grapevine for a long time
[speaker001:] it's yeah that's why we not sure we we're not sure we want to uh buy down here because we actually we lived up north long enough to appreciate the um Minneapolis Saint Paul is very clean you know in terms of
[speaker002:] um uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker001:] and in terms of housing down here um you really have your pick but it's just everything's overpriced for the economy
[speaker002:] oh it's terrible
[speaker001:] it really is I mean we're we're in a leased town home and it's uh you're probably your teeth will probably fall out figuratively speaking it's nine hundred a month
[speaker002:] I oh I'm not surprised
[speaker001:] but you know what if you if you get anything under five hundred you get into what they call high density living
[speaker002:] uh right right right
[speaker001:] you know the big apartment complexes and and I just have no tolerance for that
[speaker002:] right yeah yeah it's not good
[speaker001:] no I prefer
[speaker002:] and the people think the income is really great in some of those areas but when they sit down and look at what it costs to live
[speaker001:] that's right
[speaker002:] and uh of course most of the homes are you know fairly nice they're uh done up fairly nice uh
[speaker001:] yeah but like the town home we're in I don't know how I mean we this is it's like a duplex like a two by two they call it like in Pittsburgh and it's nice but it's I mean the girl bought it for a hundred and ten and now she can't sell it And our neighbors
[speaker002:] right uh-huh right uh-huh well prices have come down on the homes the duplexes
[speaker001:] yeah I mean we'll our neighbors the attached on the other side they're very nice thank God they paid fifty eight for it
[speaker002:] uh-huh oh my heaven
[speaker001:] that's how bad it I know
[speaker002:] well I know up in Connecticut the same thing happened and uh it's people are devastated because they paid so much for their home
[speaker001:] that's right uh-huh yeah I have some friends that live in Westport and it's really really bad I mean you
[speaker002:] but we like our area it like I said it's it's an old house and everything but uh
[speaker001:] uh-huh how far where is Clarion County in relation to actually because we're considering moving to Pennsylvania
[speaker002:] well we're about a hundred miles from Pittsburgh
[speaker001:] that's not too bad that's north
[speaker002:] north and yeah and it's it's really not you know not that far
[speaker001:] are you going up toward uh uh I'm trying to think of the name of that town that starts with an M Bradford no that's too far north
[speaker002:] Bradford's north of us
[speaker001:] so you're you're not that far north then okay well you're really not too bad yeah
[speaker002:] no no uh-huh
[speaker001:] um was it a home that you've had for quite a few few years or that you've
[speaker002:] well we've been here since sixty six
[speaker001:] oh then you have yeah do you have a lot of land or
[speaker002:] uh we have fifty acres well pardon me we have forty we gave ten to one of our children
[speaker001:] oh my well then there you go did you have a hard time getting used to do you feel like you live in an isolated area or
[speaker002:] no not really and and towns keep creeping closer and closer you know
[speaker001:] yeah I think that that's um I can remember in Pittsburgh when this has to do with homes uh indirectly but I can remember when upper Saint Clair was out in the you know
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] the rural end of Washington and now it's it's a terrible connection
[speaker002:] yeah it's ours up here we have our rural connections are real bad
[speaker001:] oh well that's okay um
[speaker002:] but we but we live about ten miles from probably three or four not large towns but you know reasonable
[speaker001:] but but substantially yeah substantially you know um do you like living in an older home and restoring it like that
[speaker002:] uh yeah we're tired of doing it though we we don't want to do too much more
[speaker001:] how big is it how many square feet do you have
[speaker002:] uh oh golly I really uh we have um
[speaker001:] well how many rooms do you think yeah
[speaker002:] uh four rooms downstairs and a pantry and upstairs we have a bath a bath oh we have a half bath downstairs too we have a bath upstairs and one two
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker002:] three four bedrooms and a sewing room and a junk room
[speaker001:] a junk room yeah I understand we have that too that's that's large if your children aren't at home any more that's large if your kids aren't at home any more
[speaker002:] and uh pardon well it really isn't too big yet we we like a lot of people say that but um
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] it's we just like it real well and
[speaker001:] it's enough space for two people yeah
[speaker002:] yeah we had five children so and they've all moved you know on they're all out on their own now
[speaker001:] yeah oh okay yeah right that's okay well we've got um this this town house is pretty big it's about eighteen hundred square feet it's got three bedrooms two and a half baths um it's really nice
[speaker002:] uh-huh well it sounds like a good buy
[speaker001:] yeah it is I mean I would never buy it but leasing it is fine
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] um but it's just again the the privacy you know um we had a house in Minneapolis that was on three acres and my husband was raised um on a working farm near Dayton
[speaker002:] oh and that makes a big difference
[speaker001:] right near Dayton Ohio and he said you know he's he's slowly getting me to um not feel isolated if we move to to where there's more land
[speaker002:] uh-huh you really aren't isolated because it's the advantages is your home is far enough away that you're not bothered by being too close to people but yet you can have your friends uh you can have them in you can go out you uh
[speaker001:] right uh-huh
[speaker002:] you have more of a choice you're not pressed upon as bad
[speaker001:] that's kind of what like his parents have uh land that they retired to um about a hundred miles out of Atlanta and in Georgia and it is too far south for me but um
[speaker002:] uh-huh uh uh-huh
[speaker001:] um but I mean they have one of the um when they said log cabin I just laughed that they retired to but they built one of these I mean it's just beautiful
[speaker002:] uh
[speaker001:] it's like a custom you know it's not like what I would think of when I think of old log cabins you know I mean it's modern it's right right it's modern it's beautiful it's country it's you know um
[speaker002:] uh-huh more luxury uh-huh uh-huh right yeah
[speaker001:] but uh I don't what else about housing except it's uh well Pittsburgh's housing economy I I I think it's holding it's own
[speaker002:] uh they're yeah I suppose they are now we both of our children who live there have just bought a home now
[speaker001:] what part what sections are they in
[speaker002:] uh in the Mount Lebanon area
[speaker001:] yeah that's nice
[speaker002:] and uh the one the one boy the house they bought is completely livable they didn't have to do much to it
[speaker001:] great
[speaker002:] the other one is uh uh has you know needs more work done it's twenty years old I think and but they have two children too and they they bought what they could afford
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh-huh that's yeah a really good friend of mine lives in Penn Hills and they've been in their house oh probably about twelve years now and um it's it's you know they're going to start to see their return on their investment very soon um but it's a beautiful home and
[speaker002:] uh-huh uh-huh uh-huh uh-huh they are beautiful homes
[speaker001:] I mean my brother lives is it called Baldwin or Bebble I mean he lives all in that same area going from Mount Lebanon um it's real pretty up there it's just
[speaker002:] uh-huh uh-huh it is it's real nice
[speaker001:] and the neighborhoods are stable you know it's uh when you come to this part of the country we've been away from Dallas long enough that you see the difference in housing
[speaker002:] uh-huh oh my you would you do when you move when we first got married uh my husband works for the state and we moved once a year usually
[speaker001:] oh my goodness
[speaker002:] and then after they had to start paying to move us
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] that suddenly wasn't necessary any more
[speaker001:] that's what it is here yeah that's why we're at a point now we've uh we're adopting and we have been married ten plus years and what happens is uh you just realize that once you get to a certain age the next house that you get we'll be staying in so
[speaker002:] right yeah you have to stop some place yeah
[speaker001:] yeah that's kind of like where we're so we're considering Pennsylvania and we're just kind of you know toying with what exactly where we want to be you know a lot of people say it doesn't matter where they live if they have a nice house and but I disagree with that I
[speaker002:] yeah yeah uh-huh well I do too I've heard too many people say I hate it here you know they buy a place and they just hate the area
[speaker001:] uh-huh I know and it and the economy here in Dallas I mean it it's steady but it's still not going up and I um I just refuse to buy it um if I know I'm not going to be there for at least
[speaker002:] uh-huh uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker001:] five years uh you you know
[speaker002:] yeah well my brother they're having trouble selling their home they
[speaker001:] oh I'm sure yeah there I mean you can go down a street and here he told you this every other house you know if it's been foreclosed on or you know even big executives um
[speaker002:] hm right uh-huh oh yeah yeah
[speaker001:] it's really I mean a and and it's hard to sell the properties people from JC Penney's from New York came here about a couple of years ago
[speaker002:] uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker001:] and they thought they were getting a great deal um because they could get a five hundred thousand dollar home with they call it zero lot lines no property Jean
[speaker002:] oh uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker001:] and it would make you ill to see this
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] I mean it would probably be like your house on uh you know a half a city block in Pittsburgh or something
[speaker002:] I I couldn't handle that
[speaker001:] yeah I know and that's you know like I can look outside right now and look into the next unit you know it's across the way and it's landscaped and all that with azaleas but it's still it's still not that private
[speaker002:] uh-huh uh-huh I get tired uh sometimes mowing because we mow you know a good bit of ground around the house area and I do get tired of that but uh
[speaker001:] yeah but you have a rider
[speaker002:] I don't know I don't think I'd want to change it
[speaker001:] no and your kids have to tell you the truth um I think that if you can keep that that way you know kind of like a homestead
[speaker002:] uh-huh |
[speaker001:] So, uh, what do you think? [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] I think we're overtaxed to the hilt.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] Yeah, I mean, we're, we're taxed on taxes and, um, uh, most all government entities are just trying to give us a state income tax for those who don't have it that is. I mean we don't have one yet, but eventually they may try to push it through.
[speaker001:] Oh really. So they have n-, I didn't realize they had no state tax in Texas.
[speaker002:] No, no state income tax.
[speaker001:] Oh, that's great, because they don't have it in Florida. In New York they have it.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] I mean, you know, like I say, I'm in New York and we have a state tax as well. So that just cuts even more.
[speaker002:] Yeah, I think what needs to be done is they need to control their spending habits.
[speaker001:] Right, I, I think that I, I mean, I wouldn't be so upset about the amount of taxes paid if it weren't for the fact that they don't, they don't go to any place. You know, y-, you don't see it going to any place where it belongs.
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] I think if it were to be, uh, if it were to be, um, if it were to be, [whispering] hold, hold on a second please, someone just walked in the ro-, *seems to me that the "hold on" should be a separate slash unit marked "ad", and shouldn't continue into B.15
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] [Rattling] If, if it were to be spent in the right way I think I wouldn't be so upset about it, *see B.13 note but given that it, that it's not spent properly, I think it's a major problem.
[speaker002:] Well we're really overburdened from federal, state and local,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh [softly].
[speaker002:] that it takes such a size out of your paycheck that there's not a whole lot you can always do with your paycheck.
[speaker001:] Well that's certainly true. Well what is it they were just talking about, um, sort of middle income, you know, how, how, middle income people, what winds up happening is, for instance having kids, you know, they wind up having kids as a deduction and after, but the deduction is so little for kids that they wind up having to pay more in taxes than it costs to raise a kid for the year or something.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] I think tha-, so they want to, you know try an-, I think they're trying, I think tha-, I think that most of the politicians understand this. They just don't, they're just not very good at doing what they're supposed to be doing.
[speaker002:] Well they're kind of put into a trap of being out there to please the special interest groups as well.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] And, uh, I think the only way that can be changed for us to get a, a better tax revenue that's fairness and all, is for us to limit their terms.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And by doing so, they're not obligated to anybody.
[speaker001:] I agree, I agree.
[speaker002:] And, uh, I don't know how we're going to do that right away though, but, what, what in general though that taxes are doing to us is, it's just taking, uh, a bite out of our savings.
[speaker001:] Right, exactly, and then, and then, uh, I'm, I'm just not sure if I see, you know, if I see it going, like I say to the right places. I mean, it'd be, it'd be one thing if it were taking a bite out of your savings and then you were getting it all back when you got older.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] You know, but I'm not convinced, that's, a-, tha-, that Social Security is doing as well as it should and, you know, and, and, and, uh, and, and that, you know, those people who need it for welfare and so forth, who really need it for welfare, not the eighty-five to ninety percent of them who don't need it. But I mean the real people who really need it, you know, should be getting it but instead I think it's going to the wrong places.
[speaker002:] And I believe the Social Security tax is a great scheme.
[speaker001:] You think so?
[speaker002:] Yeah, it's, uh, you know, right now, they're robbing from it to pad the federal deficit.
[speaker001:] I know and that scares the hell out of me.
[speaker002:] Yeah, tha-, that's illegal, see. If, uh, most company, uh, C E O -s were to do that within their private company, they'd be in jail.
[speaker001:] Yeah [door].
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER] So how are we letting them get away with it.
[speaker001:] Yeah, I don't, I don't, well becau-, because they're the ones who make the laws. *seems like a slash unit to me
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] So who's going to yell at them, you know, * should be an independent slash unit. See B.39 utt3 it'd be nice if we sort of, as one, band together and, and, uh, and, an performed a citizens arrest, I guess.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] To see if we could sort of clean them up and you know, but I don't know if we can do that or not.
[speaker002:] A lot of people have become too complacent and believe everything is just the norm as to the way things are going and feel absolutely helpless to oppose a lot of the situations going on,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] in the taxing system.
[speaker001:] I agree, I agree. But, um, yeah, like, like you said, I wonder, you know, if, if it's certainly not going to be a slow change process and I wonder if it'll ever be a change process.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] I sort of, I sort of get discouraged when I think about all the things that I think are wrong [breathing] [LAUGHTER]. You know, all those things that really could be changed that aren't, you know, that, that aren't. And tax is one of those things that just sort of sits way up there on the list.
[speaker002:] Yeah, uh-huh.
[speaker001:] So, I don't kno-, I, I, I have no idea what to do about it.
[speaker002:] Well there's no quick solution, or no sure fire easy answer. It's just going to take, uh, uh, really, uh, uh, uh, a combination effort, I think, of the majority of the American people to come to a decisive answer,
[speaker001:] [Door].
[speaker002:] or vote to limit the way it's spent.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] See, we, we're, we have no say so as to where the money goes in the first place.
[speaker001:] Right. We don't, I mean, the only say so we have is supposedly by electing people who we think are going to vote one way of another.
[speaker002:] Right and they are controlled, or pretty much do what they want to do.
[speaker001:] Right, I've never quite understood that. I've never, uh, you know, even though, um, I, I've never been, uh, sort of politically minded, but it's never been clear to me as to sort of, um, you know, how Congressmen an, can, can just sort of go ahead and vote their own conscience as their own ideas when clearly their constituency doe-, doesn't back them up on anything, you know. And often times that will happen.
[speaker002:] Well they feel invu-, invulnerable to, uh, any wrath or,
[speaker001:] Right [clicking].
[speaker002:] uh, it's, it's occurred so many times that they figure people will usually forget and don't think about it when the election time arises.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] And generally it does work out that way.
[speaker001:] They do forget, it's true, coul-, because everybody, think of what happens is whenever the politici-, whenever th-, the one who made that supposed mistake turns around and, uh, his, his or her opponent can say well look, they did this. And they can turn around and say well my opponent did this.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] So it becomes, uh, a general battle of the w-, sort of the election of the lesser of two evils, I think, so.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] I don't know, I just, uh, I'm unhappy with it but. And well, I'm, I'm sort of semifortunate right now, I'm a graduate student, so I don't make that much,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and what I make isn't taxed very highly because I'm still in school.
[speaker002:] Well when you get out into the real world then you'll know.
[speaker001:] But it's, my, my, my wife has a real job and, you know, when I get her job, um, you know, we, we look at her paycheck, I'm just floored when I see how little of it we're actually allowed to keep.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] [Door] Especially around bonus time.
[speaker002:] Bonus time, you have a bonus?
[speaker001:] Bonus, she, no, my, my wife does.
[speaker002:] Oh.
[speaker001:] My wi-, I don-, no graduate students don't get bonuses.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] We're lucky to get paychecks the way I figure.
[speaker002:] So you're taxed on the bonuses too, right.
[speaker001:] My, my wife is taxed on her bonus as well, and that's a, that's usually a big chunk of her bonus check actually.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] I mean her bonus isn't that much, but they tax it as, I, I guess they tax it as if that were her weekly check or something.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] So she gets destroyed on her bonus check.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] So, she works with in, in, in sales. So a good portion of her, you know, her salary is, is quarterly bonuses.
[speaker002:] Uh, sales is lucrative but then you're paying really high taxes when you're doing a lucrative job.
[speaker001:] Yes, well, yeah, she's not entirely sales, so it isn't, it isn't as lucrative as one would hope, but, it, it keeps us supported temporarily,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] until I can get a real salary and then get taxed more. So, I don't know, I d-, I guess, I guess at this point in time we're just sort of going to have to live with it, [breathing] and hope that it gets better [door].
[speaker002:] Yeah. Well, I have, I guess about said what a-, all I can think of to say.
[speaker001:] Same here, tough topic so.
[speaker002:] Yeah, it's re-, a rather touchy topic at that, but [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] I beli-, I, I, I do agree with you, most, most wholeheartedly.
[speaker002:] Well that's great.
[speaker001:] It's been a pleasure talking with you.
[speaker002:] You too, and, uh,
[speaker001:] Thanks for call.
[speaker002:] have a good day.
[speaker001:] You too. Bye-bye. |
[speaker001:] Okay [LAUGHTER]. You want to get a start?
[speaker002:] Certainly. Uh, the weather here is warm.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And it has been sort of raining on and off.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And, uh, I am an avid gardener so I m-, m-, measure the rain in our rain gauge on a, on a regular basis. So
[speaker001:] Oh, great, great.
[speaker002:] I can, can avoid wasting money on watering.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And, uh, but it has been threatening to rain for the last couple of days, and it has not,
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] really. Which is a bit of a disappointment. But
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] it is very warm here, which is typical for this part of the, time of the year.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] How about Pennsyl-,
[speaker001:] I think you are, I think you are earlier than we are, as a rule, aren't you? Your, your, your s-, growing Summer starts a lot earlier than ours.
[speaker002:] It starts in, uh, March as a rule.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh. See that is quite a bit, we are just beginning. People are, have got their gardens in, a lot of them now. We could still have a frost.
[speaker002:] Really, this late?
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Could you have snow?
[speaker001:] Uh, probably not. But we have had, we have had a frost as late as, as in June.
[speaker002:] Oh, well,
[speaker001:] Early June.
[speaker002:] we do not have that problem [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] So, but w-, we have also had nice weather. An unusually, uh, nice Spring. It is almost like an early Summer for us.
[speaker002:] Oh, that is nice.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh. We could use a little more rain,
[speaker002:] Uh, well,
[speaker001:] I believe.
[speaker002:] we will be glad, I will be glad to give you some of ours [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Uh [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Usually we get it in, in great quantities in
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] April and May.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And then it stops for three months.
[speaker001:] Yeah. If it could just be spread out a little bit.
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh, uh-huh. Yeah. It has really been nice here, uh, we are supposed to have some rain this weekend, but I don't know if we'll get it or not. A lot of times in our area the weather forecast has missed us. The, the weather they forecast for our area seems to go right past us and misses us. Just by, well not too many miles.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh. Are you in an agricultural area?
[speaker001:] Yes, uh-huh. We have,
[speaker002:] Well, I know the wea-, I know the weather is very important for people who make their living off of,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh, uh-huh.
[speaker002:] off of the land.
[speaker001:] Yeah. We have quite a few farmers. We, we live out in the country. We are on a farm, but we are not a farming
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] person [LAUGHTER]. Uh, we have a garden.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] But, uh, but we are not farmers.
[speaker002:] Huh. Well, you know there are some disadvantages to being down south.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And that is, it gets so hot that, you know, a lot of things die during the Summer from the heat.
[speaker001:] Oh, yeah. They get burnt off.
[speaker002:] They, they really do,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and you have to be very careful to make sure you keep everything watered.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh. Yeah. Well, and that makes it bad too, because, uh, when more, with water being at a premium. I know our aunt in California, they, they have really been rationed on their water. And it makes it real hard to have a yard or, [static] uh, or anything like that, a gar-, their garden, their farms. Their farmers, I guess, are hurting because of that also.
[speaker002:] Yeah. Well, my parents are now in San Diego, and, and they've got pebbles in their yard because [LAUGHTER] they can't,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] almost nobody there has, has lawns.
[speaker001:] Yeah. Well, they are not allowed to water, so what do you do?
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] Uh, it is very, it is very rough on them so,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] [Static] Actually I think, I think it is pretty moderate here in Dallas. Because the, the Summers are extremely hot.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh. But your humidity is different though than ours I think, and it makes a, a bit of a difference, too.
[speaker002:] Um, what is your humidity like?
[speaker001:] Oh, I don't know. I think our humidity is higher normally than what it is in Texas. I could be wrong.
[speaker002:] Uh, I do not know what, what it is percentage wise but I,
[speaker001:] I do not know for sure either. But it always seems [static] well, it just felt different like when we were in Texas. It had a different feel to it.
[speaker002:] Yeah. It is, it is drier in Dallas than it is in Houston or San Antonio
[speaker001:] Uh.
[speaker002:] or even Austin,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] which is further south.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] But it is not dry. And, and I have lived here for many years, and I think it has gotten more humid over the years. Where the water is coming from, I don't know.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh. Well, it could be. I know my brother's home has been flooded a couple of times, uh,
[speaker002:] Oh, does he live near the lake?
[speaker001:] Well, there is a lake not far but it is more run off
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] from surrounding, you know, areas and that.
[speaker002:] Uh.
[speaker001:] And, uh, he is just in an area where it is just low enough that it's, you know, it, it collects there.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And, uh, he has had a couple of inches in his house several times.
[speaker002:] That is, that is a problem, uh, they tell you when you are looking for a house or, or, or buying land to build on,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] to be very careful and check the drainage
[speaker001:] Uh-huh, uh-huh.
[speaker002:] because, uh,
[speaker001:] Because of that.
[speaker002:] it is, it is deceptive.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And, uh, I know exactly what you mean.
[speaker001:] We are fortunate or, uh, we are on a, where we are we get flooded, it floods below us [LAUGHTER],
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] behind us. But we are, uh, we are high enough that our house itself we never, you know, have had any problem like that.
[speaker002:] Oh, well, that is fortunate.
[speaker001:] Yeah. It is an old farm house and, uh, we really like it here.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh. Well, I, I like it, I like it here. Uh, I, I grew up here. I have lived other places and, and,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] but I, I did grow up here and this is very much home for me.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And,
[speaker001:] It is nice down there. I, I, I liked it when we visited there.
[speaker002:] I hope you visited during the winter.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] One of my, one of my theories is that you always go to warm places during the winter and
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] you go to cold, cool places, that, well, I go to cool places during the Summer if I can anyway.
[speaker001:] Right. That is the best time to go. Yeah. An-, and usually it has been when we have gone, it has been nice. It has been hot, but it is, it is hot to me in the wintertime down there.
[speaker002:] Oh, sure. I mean [LAUGHTER],
[speaker001:] You know [LAUGHTER]. But it is nice, it is a, it is really a nice area.
[speaker002:] I, I had a friend from England visit once at Christmas, and we could not get her out of the what she called the [imitates English accent] back garden.
[speaker001:] Oh, really?
[speaker002:] Because she wanted to go back with a sunburn.
[speaker001:] Oh.
[speaker002:] And she went back to the north of England with a sunburn [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Oh, good heavens [LAUGHTER]. Not me [LAUGHTER]. I avoid the sun [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Well, yeah, basically I do, too.
[speaker001:] Yeah, it takes me about four and a half hours to do, to mow our grass. And I try to cover up [LAUGHTER] when I do the lawn [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Well, I, that, that is really healthier, frankly.
[speaker001:] Yeah, well, I have had a little, a couple of problems and, uh, I decided it is not worth it.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh. That,
[speaker001:] I, I like to get tan in the Summer time because I think you look healthier. And, uh, we are just crazy [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] But you, you know, it is interesting because you get out in that sun an awful lot. Now my sister is a, a sun fiend.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And, uh, she is five years younger than me, she is more wrinkled.
[speaker001:] Is that right?
[speaker002:] Yeah,
[speaker001:] It,
[speaker002:] and I think that is why.
[speaker001:] it just makes your skin more leathery. It, uh,
[speaker002:] Exactly.
[speaker001:] it, yeah. So,
[speaker002:] I think it burns off the, I don't know the, the, the theory, the scientific principle. But it burns something off, the natural oils
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] or something like that.
[speaker001:] Well, the elasticity of your skin, the collagen or whatever they call it. They say it destroys a lot of that.
[speaker002:] Yes.
[speaker001:] And you lose a lot of that. So, uh,
[speaker002:] Yes, uh, that sounds like a good, that sounds like the right theory.
[speaker001:] Yeah, but, uh, but we have really had nice, the weather, I can't complain. We have really had really good weather of late.
[speaker002:] Good.
[speaker001:] And when it has rained, it ha-, it's been a good soaking rain and, uh, it has just been a really nice Spring.
[speaker002:] Well, that is great. It has been, it has been very nice here too. And I hope it continues because my parents are coming to visit this evening and I want them to have
[speaker001:] Oh.
[speaker002:] nice weather for their visit
[speaker001:] Oh, that is great.
[speaker002:] instead of driving around in the rain.
[speaker001:] How long will they be there?
[speaker002:] Uh, probably four or five days.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh. Well, that is great. Well, I hope the weather stays real good for them. And,
[speaker002:] Well, thank you [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] and, uh, that you have a good visit and everything.
[speaker002:] Thanks.
[speaker001:] And I hope your garden does good.
[speaker002:] Yeah. And the same to you.
[speaker001:] And, so. Okay. Well, it was really nice talking to you.
[speaker002:] A pleasure.
[speaker001:] And, uh, good luck in your, this venture. It is, uh, like I said, it has been real interesting. So I hope you enjoy it as much as I have been enjoying it [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] I am sure I will. In, in fact, if I had not been preparing for this, the out of town visitors, I probably would have been making some phone calls in the last couple
[speaker001:] Yeah,
[speaker002:] of days.
[speaker001:] I forget to. The day goes by, and I forget to make a call [LAUGHTER] usually.
[speaker002:] Well, I am glad you have broken the ice with me because now, I will, I will start doing it [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Great, great.
[speaker002:] Okay.
[speaker001:] Okay.
[speaker002:] Well, thanks, Jean.
[speaker001:] Uh. Bye-bye.
[speaker002:] Bye-bye. |
[speaker001:] There you go.
[speaker002:] [Breathing] [LAUGHTER] What do you think invades your privacy? [Breathes heavily throughout.]
[speaker001:] Oh, well people that call on the phone all the time to try to sell you something. You know, that, that try to sell you the s-, newspaper, and, uh, wha-, carpet cleaning, and, uh, what else, roof repair [dishes] And enough, well I think it's a waste of paper, the people that always leave, uh, junk mail and, because, um, you just end up throwing it away most of the time. Probably eighty percent of the, the junk mail that you get is, is, um, something that you don't need. And the same way with those calls. What is it, oh M C I, M C I really does. Even when you tell them no, they keep calling back.
[speaker002:] M C I what's that?
[speaker001:] M C I it's the long distance telephone company.
[speaker002:] Oh, now see I, I really don't have much trouble with, I just say no thank you and hang up.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh, well they wo-, they won't take a no for an answer here for some reason. They just keep calling back.
[speaker002:] [Breathing] [LAUGHTER] I had a carpet service call up three times,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] all within in an hour, but, I, uh, I do telemarketing,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] so, uh, I'm very polite and I just say no thank you, and say no thank you very politely and I hang up and,
[speaker001:] Uh [NOISE].
[speaker002:] don't bother me after that.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] So I think the only thing that really bothers me is if [clicking] [mouth click] when somebody contacts me and they try to get information out of me.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Like the Census Bureau, United States Census Bureau.
[speaker001:] Oh yeah.
[speaker002:] That bothered me.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] I didn't feel they had a right to know how many bedrooms were in my house even.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] That I think is my invasion privacy because it's the government and I don't understand what their need to know is.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And I think that is my biggest objection to anything as far as invading my privacy. If somebody wants personal information out of me, but telephone calls I figure, they don't bother me one way or the other.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Uh, I know when I do telemarketing, um, I'm a soft person, [LAUGHTER] if, if someone says I am not interested I'll just say fine and back out.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And I make very good sales, but I'm not, uh, as I said, I'm not half as pushy as these people because, I don't really care. I mean, if, if they're not interested fine. You know that's it.
[speaker001:] [Throat clearing] You can't force them to be.
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] No.
[speaker002:] And I'm not pushing something down their throat that, uh, I don't think is a good item anyway.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] That I don't think I could do anyway. But I feel like, oh, movie stars, or sure, it's part of their, I guess they're portray being a movie star they get themselves in these rag sheets but, uh, I think they go too far.
[speaker001:] Oh, yeah
[speaker002:] I think that's invasion of privacy.
[speaker001:] because they follow them around twenty-four hours a day.
[speaker002:] Yeah [whispered] [breathing].
[speaker001:] And you know they do Ted Kennedy.
[speaker002:] Oh, yeah.
[speaker001:] Of course, he's breaking the law all the time, so it's a different story then. You know, but, but Ed McMahon, I mean, you know, who cares about Ed McMahon. He's probably hasn't done anything interesting in the last thirty years that they've been on the air,
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] you know. And he has a chauffeur. Maybe he drinks but he never drives a car either, you know, it's not the same with Johnny Carson.
[speaker002:] No, I think my, seriously my classification of, of invasion of privacy is trying to get personal information,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and putting it falsely out or just bombarding me for the answers.
[speaker001:] Without your, and without your permission.
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] This to me is, is my invasion of privacy.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] Anytime I can honestly say no, or, throw the paper away, or, but you can always write to, uh, oh I forgot the name of it and stop the junk mail. That I've done. Because I don't want junk mail anyway, so I c-, wrote to them when it came on the air, so I don't get any of that bull, tha-, it works by the way.
[speaker001:] Oh, good.
[speaker002:] But, uh, the telephone doesn't bother me because I leave it half the time, on, uh, you know, answering service anyway,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] unless I'm home, so I figure I can turn it off one way or the other, but I think that's the only bottom line thing that I dislike. Because it does, other than the U S Census, um, what was it. Oh the, the carpet place that called me three times,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] that I felt was invasion because it was the same carpet place, and called me three times.
[speaker001:] [Footsteps] [door].
[speaker002:] I mean one should be sufficient.
[speaker001:] That's right.
[speaker002:] But, if people don't use the telephone, it's like I don't know when the police has their project going and I don't know when the other ones have their project going and when they want to pick up down my street for things. That's the only way I know.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And, uh, that's i-,
[speaker001:] Well you have to have the telephone, but you can't, you know, and, and it's, sometimes it's hard to screen out all the calls that you don't want.
[speaker002:] Well see there's no way of knowing,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] that's, you know, that's the problem. Like the product I sell, uh, I sell mostly to older people which can't get it in a normal public situation. The only way we'd get to them is by telephone.
[speaker001:] Um.
[speaker002:] And, uh, most of them like it because the company I work for is nationwide, and, uh, reputable and they know that hey, we're backing it, one hundred percent.
[speaker001:] Ye-, uh-huh.
[speaker002:] But, if we were denied the right to call people up, these people would never be able to get it. Because your normal companies that offer it, do not offer it in the amounts that we do and they'd never have it then, at that point.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Because we offer it in a very low, you know, quantity.
[speaker001:] [Door].
[speaker002:] So I mean, I, I don't know what to do as far as that's concerned. But it is nerve racking. I mean it is nerve racking to have the telephone, but at least, as I said, you can always say no thank you [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Right, uh-huh.
[speaker002:] I gather you get a lot of telephone calls.
[speaker001:] Sometimes, yeah, some days it just rings off the wall.
[speaker002:] Yes, yes, yes. In other words you own your own home.
[speaker001:] No, no.
[speaker002:] I think that's where they hit most of us. Like I own my own home.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And you just know about what time, like some days I hate staying home because the phone rings all the time, but, uh, I don't know, I haven't been able to figure that out. Something else to do about it. When they call up and want to say, well tell me this, this, this, this and I'll give you a free something or other,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] My answer is no thank you, I don't need it. And they say, well don't you want to know what's free, and I s-, no [LAUGHTER]. If I have to give them so much to answer the questions to get fifty rolls of film or something like that, they're taking something away from me and I don't like that.
[speaker001:] Right. Yeah [throat clearing], even if, I guess it's for coupons, they, they have a survey they run and it, I guess it, one of them is supposed to be a smokers survey but the questions go a lot farther than having to do anything with smoking.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And they ask, tha-, you know, they start out and they ask you even, even to your income level. I think that's, you know, whether you buy a T V dinner or not, I don't think it has anything to do with, |
[speaker001:] how do you feel about capital punishment
[speaker002:] um I'm I'm definitely against it definitely against it
[speaker001:] yeah for what reasons
[speaker002:] uh I think that they make a lot the system makes a lot of mistakes and a lot of innocent people are probably convicted of crimes and it's bad enough when um you know when it's not capital punishment but when it's capital punishment when you find out later it's too late
[speaker001:] um-hum yeah definitely yeah I I I agree that you know capital punishment is bad but just more for the economic for economic reasons because I I don't think it acts as a deterrent and I don't think that um and and and for what I've what I've read it costs a lot more to actually you know go through the process of condemning someone and killing them than it does to actually just feed for the end end you know
[speaker002:] yeah it dose because because of uh the the legal system that we have now and I'm sure you can make it cheaper if you wanted I don't think you should
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] but you can make it cheaper to kill people by not allowing all the appeals and as a matter of fact I think they are starting to cut back on some of them at the Supreme Court
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] um I forgot what area it is but regarding uh capital punishment there are some cases that won't automatically get reviewed by the Supreme Court when they used to be
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] so what happens is you have to pay all these high powered lawyers to keep on arguing the case over and over again uh while they're waiting for capital punishment which is what happened uh which happens a lot a friend of mine uh does that type of work down in uh
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] down in Tennessee he's he's an attorney he represents people on death row
[speaker001:] is he prosecution he's he's he's for the defendant okay
[speaker002:] yeah yeah and I did criminal defense work for a while so I kind of have a a um let's say um
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] cynical about the system and the way people are convicted of crimes not that I think I do believe that most people are charged with crimes and convicted certainly people that are convicted of crimes most of them are probably guilty anyway
[speaker001:] yeah uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker002:] I mean I'm not denying that but there are a few that probably aren't
[speaker001:] yeah it's uh I mean I've you know I've seen people that you know definitely got screwed by the system
[speaker002:] yeah so
[speaker001:] before yeah um is do they have the death penalty in New York
[speaker002:] no huh um they do in Georgia right yeah they
[speaker001:] yeah they do um yeah I'm not sure how often we how often this actually it seems like about once a year they execute someone I don't really keep you know I only keep up after when the last one was
[speaker002:] right well that's the thing I mean I happened to have been talking to somebody at at uh work today about that
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] just happened to come up in conversation and so I was surprised when I got this topic come up and uh the
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] the bottom line was that uh what was I saying uh nobody in Tennessee has been convicted has been executed since nineteen executed since nineteen uh seventy uh what seventy three or whenever it was that they ruled that the death penalty was cruel and unconstitutional
[speaker001:] constitutional
[speaker002:] yeah and whether it was unconstitutional and then like I said they came back and um like the nineteen eighties and and determined that if they have like a separate trial to determine the death penalty they call them bifricated trials
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] um they have a separate trial just to determine whether they're going to give the death penalty or not
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] um then then that's okay they can it becomes constitutional I guess it's like a procedural protection that that people have
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] um but nobody's been nobody's been executed since they've brought that back and
[speaker001:] in Tennessee
[speaker002:] yeah in Tennessee so it puts a lot of pressure on them
[speaker001:] you know one thing that I've always that I've one idea that I've heard that that that I've you know kind of had some sympathy for is though that you know when you have someone that's you know that that that's you know that that you are going to be stuck is going to be stuck with life imprisonment you know or two hundred and fifty years you know none of it served you know at the same time that you know to give them the choice of having the death penalty
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] it seems you know if you lock him away for the rest of his life you know
[speaker002:] yeah but it's kind of like under under duress anyway but you know kind of saying to someone all right now that we've got you by the chops because you decide whether you're going to die or not but but yeah that's what that guy Gary Gilmore did right
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh-huh yeah he he told us his yeah he said that he wanted to die at that point
[speaker002:] that guy right and they you know kind of chose his way to death which is is kind of interesting but um yeah I I personally think people have the right to die if they want so yeah if you're in jail if you're in jail for life then you should be able to commit suicide if that's what you want
[speaker001:] um-hum it
[speaker002:] which is basically what that is but
[speaker001:] you know it really bothers me that in historical cases where you know someone tries to kill themselves in prison you know on death row and you know where they've actually you know spent you know thousands of dollars reviving them you know just to kill them
[speaker002:] yeah sure
[speaker001:] and it always so it seemed to be some sort of
[speaker002:] I did some I did some environmental environmental law as well and and one of the I remember in studying something about the F D A they was it what the hell were they trying to do they were trying to get a a a drug it was a drug that they were using for the death penalty and they right they tried to get it proved safe before the F D A would approve it
[speaker001:] um-hum oh like in Texas |
[speaker001:] are you there
[speaker002:] I sure am
[speaker001:] well I guess it sounds like you have children in the background there
[speaker002:] yes I do
[speaker001:] yeah what kind of child care have you found for them
[speaker002:] uh we're military so we take him to a military day care
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] um I'm enrolled in a school right now a nursing school and it's just about the only thing I can afford
[speaker001:] I see uh-huh it is expensive
[speaker002:] it is and
[speaker001:] what what kind uh through the military what kind of prices do you pay for child care there
[speaker002:] forty five a week
[speaker001:] forty five a week I'm from the Bay area and uh just not even um well known schools in child care here people are paying two hundred two hundred fifty a week
[speaker002:] yes oh my goodness you're kidding
[speaker001:] no I don't know how they do it I'm I stay at home I'm a mother I stay at home with mine but I know that it's uh really expensive here
[speaker002:] oh that is outrageous
[speaker001:] what types of things have you looked for when you're um when you were looking in for to the child care there
[speaker002:] well I've had several different kinds of day care
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] I had a friend taking care of him and that doesn't work
[speaker001:] it doesn't
[speaker002:] no um your your beliefs are different and I I guess they become you you can't um make demands that you can when you're paying for it
[speaker001:] uh-huh I understand that
[speaker002:] and I'm I'm not talking severe demands I'm talking things like I have to have you on Wednesday you know what I mean
[speaker001:] uh-huh right
[speaker002:] I have an exam I must have you baby sit
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] um I've had home health care that I've gotten through agencies and things like that
[speaker001:] um-hum yeah well have the agencies agencies sent you some good people or
[speaker002:] uh no no they're they're usually badly educated
[speaker001:] no huh uh-huh
[speaker002:] um
[speaker001:] probably poor English that's what you find here in the Bay area a lot of times
[speaker002:] yes yes and I'm I'm just not willing to expose my child to that
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] I mean I I want him to be I want him to be stimulated and interested
[speaker001:] yeah does does through the military does the day care do they have things like oh craft projects and learning numbers is it is it kind of like a a preschool it is
[speaker002:] yes preschool only half a day half a day is kind of geared toward those kind of things
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and every week is divided like this week they're doing spring and then next week they may do kites and all week they'll have things about this
[speaker001:] I see uh-huh
[speaker002:] not only they talk about kites they talk about the different colors on kites they talk cultural aspects the shapes
[speaker001:] um-hum hm or
[speaker002:] uh you know it's wonderful
[speaker001:] well it sounds like a good school you know I'm uh being at home with mine um if if I do go back to work it you know it worries me to death the thought of uh the child care you hear so many things about
[speaker002:] it is frightening
[speaker001:] oh kids being oh Shaken Child Syndrome being kids being molested I mean it's it's so hard to say say you know even with even with credentials whether you can trust them with your kids
[speaker002:] it is Robert's day care has um close camera watch on the children you know what I mean so it's monitored
[speaker001:] uh-huh oh that's good
[speaker002:] plus they have um this is military so they have doctors come in and do checkups on the kids uh Texas
[speaker001:] what state are you in oh Texas my
[speaker002:] Fort Worth um-hum
[speaker001:] oh huh yeah
[speaker002:] and and dentists come over child social work comes over uh family services comes over
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] I mean it's a continual rotation of resources
[speaker001:] oh well that sounds like a really good it sounds like a good place to to rear kids it sounds like you're in a good good situation with the military
[speaker002:] it is and they don't change day care people at all I mean my son has been in there now a year and he has the same teacher
[speaker001:] uh-huh see that's that's a problem with the day care here my sister-in-law has everyone I know in the Bay area except me have their kids in day care and
[speaker002:] and you know why they keep these people they pay them more
[speaker001:] um-hum exactly yeah the military I mean they just take care of their own I mean
[speaker002:] they do
[speaker001:] these mothers my my um sister-in-law's kids have been in day care and they've switched I mean from one day care to another and those poor kids
[speaker002:] oh I know they need they need um
[speaker001:] they don't know what's going on consistence consistency
[speaker002:] yes they need and they need this person is taking care of some of those things that I can't give my child
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] now I'm in school so I'm I'm home a lot
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] I mean he's not like one a eight to five job where I'm gone all the time
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] but he he these parent people are these women are mothering my child to a certain degree that's so important
[speaker001:] um-hum it is really important well you're so lucky you know that
[speaker002:] I am
[speaker001:] that you have such a good opportunity with um the through the military especially
[speaker002:] very lucky I have to admit I don't know what I'd do without it
[speaker001:] yeah my um I guess uh I was surprised to hear the prices of the day care here um
[speaker002:] oh I know
[speaker001:] being two two and I'm sure even in some of the nicer I'm not I'm talking uh San Jose area the nicer areas Paolo Alto more as it gets more expensive
[speaker002:] oh no
[speaker001:] you probably pay them I would assume you pay them more just because they're overhead in the day you know their renting in these day care places
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] you know the overhead for the for uh you know just paying their rent in the buildings
[speaker002:] my sister lives in Austin and she has the most wonderful home health care
[speaker001:] oh does she
[speaker002:] lady who does this for a living so she has six children that's all she can have by law
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and |
[speaker001:] okay do you go camping very much
[speaker002:] no I've haven't gone camping in years but it's something that I've done in the past how about you
[speaker001:] uh we try to go once maybe twice a summer uh
[speaker002:] well that that's pretty avid to me
[speaker001:] we uh just you know for like a short weekend or something we don't go for the long you know week long thing
[speaker002:] uh-hum
[speaker001:] but uh we usually go to uh a lake area you know where the campsites are and do that uh
[speaker002:] right do you tent camp or do you have a camper
[speaker001:] oh no no no a tent
[speaker002:] that's what I I you know that's how I camp too that's how I define camping the rest of the rest of that is really really not the same as a matter of fact my my my
[speaker001:] me me too you're really roughing it yeah
[speaker002:] you know the majority of the amount of camping I've done has been really roughing it um as a little girl I'd go with my dad and my uncle and my brother and we went to the Boundary Waters area in Minnesota so
[speaker001:] oh
[speaker002:] that's that's really wild
[speaker001:] yeah are you here in local Texas I mean
[speaker002:] yes I'm in Austin where are you
[speaker001:] I'm in Garland
[speaker002:] oh
[speaker001:] right outside of Dallas so we um we have a five year old and we started taking her she was pretty young when we started uh camping with her
[speaker002:] uh-huh oh the kids love they they just love it it's wonderful for them to be outside
[speaker001:] I know I know I know and then they and they you know there's no TV and they don't have all these modern toys and they have to use sticks and rocks and stuff like that to play with
[speaker002:] exactly yes
[speaker001:] and I like that it's pretty fun
[speaker002:] well how it really is a good a good family thing to do yeah and
[speaker001:] um-hum yeah we we try to uh go with another couple that have children also and uh that makes it a lot more enjoyable plus you know we don't have to go out and buy all the equipment and stuff you know we kind of split it up uh
[speaker002:] um-hum good planning
[speaker001:] yeah because it gets it really does get expensive if you if if you don't want to rough it all the way
[speaker002:] exactly
[speaker001:] you know even with sleeping bags those are running you know good thirty dollars a pop and so we've built that up but no want one bad do you
[speaker002:] you're right you're right do you have a boat no oh I well actually I would you know what I would love I would absolutely love a sail boat that doesn't go along with camping but now that that that's what I would like to have
[speaker001:] oh yeah yes I would too
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] would too we usually uh like I said we try to go to a lake my husband and this uh other couple that we go with her husband um they like to um is it scuba dive and so we'll go to a lake and uh where they can go do that we're close enough so they can do that and the girls can play on the beach area okay
[speaker002:] um-hum and I wanna play on the beach area too that's what I would do you know I'm just sitting here listening listening to your accent and thinking what a good time the computer's going to have with that
[speaker001:] yes yes that's fun really am I pretty Texan
[speaker002:] you're pretty Texan yes but you know you know what's really funny um I've had people tell me that I have a Texas accent and I mean there just is no way I've not picked one up
[speaker001:] no you don't you don't sound like it to me
[speaker002:] I've only lived here about six years so if if if I have one it must be very very slight but the Yankees can hear it
[speaker001:] yes yes oh well that's true that's true I see I don't think I do but um but a lot of people do say I sound like I guess I have I guess more of a twang to my voice but sure am I've lived here all my life but anyway uh
[speaker002:] um-hum are you a a native Texan oh well good for you have you ever been to Austin
[speaker001:] yes yes we went last summer actually
[speaker002:] there how was I'm wondering I'm really not that familiar I know there're some good places to go camping along the uh the lakes
[speaker001:] oh is there okay well we didn't go camping we just uh we did like um we drove down to Houston to visit friends and went went to Galveston and uh to San Antonio and then up to Austin and and kind of uh you know doing the sight seeing type
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] stuff so we didn't go camping that would be fun though to go that's one thing my husband wanted to do was on this summer's vacation was to go and camp wherever we went and I said well I'd love that but
[speaker002:] it takes a lot more planning
[speaker001:] it does and and ever once you know on my summer vacation you know my week long vacation I want to be a little bit pampered you know by a hotel or whatever
[speaker002:] um-hum right exactly exactly yeah
[speaker001:] so we're hoping to do like a three day weekend there's um a thing called Pfeiffer Rim I don't know if you've ever heard of it
[speaker002:] no I haven't
[speaker001:] it's uh there's a town called Glenrose I think it's around two hours from here and uh it's got it has like dinosaur tracks
[speaker002:] oh that sounds
[speaker001:] and stuff like that and it's got one of those wildlife parks
[speaker002:] that sounds great
[speaker001:] yeah I think that'll be fun so we're going to try to do that like on a three day weekend go there and
[speaker002:] have you ever camped out of state
[speaker001:] no I haven't
[speaker002:] you know where you should try sometime is Colorado it is beautiful absolutely beautiful
[speaker001:] where is it I've just been up there skiing and well we've driven through you know but but not you know camping or anything but I would love to camp in the mountains
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum yeah Estes State Park is fantastic
[speaker001:] that's what my girlfriend says yes she loves that place she loves that she says that's where we need to go sometime
[speaker002:] well see you need to go there it is it's you know it's it's high canyon and uh and there's this little mountain lakes and it's very peaceful and um in in the early fall time um
[speaker001:] oh um-hum
[speaker002:] I can't remember what type of trees they are but they all the leaves turn yellow and it's just brilliant and yes you would you'd like it very much I know you would
[speaker001:] oh I love that that's neat that's neat well I used to go camping all the time as a a Girl Scout
[speaker002:] I was too
[speaker001:] all the time I got real used to it then I felt like we roughed it then
[speaker002:] yeah uh well we did well we did you know we really did I mean I just don't understand these people that think taking an RV and parking it and sitting inside and watching TV and having your microwave it's not camping
[speaker001:] right yes exactly I mean we had to make the fires and dig latrines and everything
[speaker002:] exactly right right I mean that is it
[speaker001:] you have to get poison ivy and all that good stuff to really be camping yeah well do you you haven't say you haven't been in years
[speaker002:] right oh no I haven't I'm um I'm a struggling single mom and um yeah thank you um it's you know time is precious money's precious um and
[speaker001:] oh gosh bless your heart yes
[speaker002:] it it it it I just haven't haven't been able to do it and you know what that was one of the things I really thought I'd like to do with my children you know again and the I'm a little bit fearful of trying that just women you know I I
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh-huh I don't blame you I don't blame you at all years ago it would have been fine but
[speaker002:] yeah and I I really now now now I I have gone on one little vacation just the girls and I we drove down to Port Aransas and rented a little efficiency you know and and had a marvelous like two nights and
[speaker001:] oh yeah yeah
[speaker002:] that was great and even at that it it was like the first time that I ventured you know out of the city by myself and and you know I I stayed in a nice place but it's still it's real different not to have another adult with you
[speaker001:] um-hum yes I know I can imagine no I don't blame you not nowadays
[speaker002:] you know I'm just a chicken I know lots of women would do it all the time but I haven't I haven't quite adjusted you know
[speaker001:] yeah now are you with TI down there
[speaker002:] well I I was with TI until January I uh I left TI in January hoping to strike out and find a job where I could make some money
[speaker001:] good
[speaker002:] so well it it was a it it was a good plan but I haven't yet I got into sales and I'm selling um telephone systems
[speaker001:] have you okay oh oh that's neat
[speaker002:] and it's it's fun and it's interesting but it also um pretty challenging and I haven't I haven't started making money yet
[speaker001:] hum it's hard isn't it
[speaker002:] so yeah it's it's hard so
[speaker001:] now how old are your girls
[speaker002:] eleven and fourteen
[speaker001:] oh goodness they're
[speaker002:] yeah so I'm old oh
[speaker001:] oh you're not old you're not old at all
[speaker002:] well excuse me just second honey I'll be with yeah go ahead
[speaker001:] sure
[speaker002:] there's some one at the door so well I'm I'm going to listen we always
[speaker001:] oh okay do you need to go
[speaker002:] check and see if we should answer the door at night so yeah so well I've enjoyed this and uh
[speaker001:] yeah well that's very smart yeah me too and good luck how many have you made so far calls
[speaker002:] I I haven't made any I've been just a recipient
[speaker001:] oh have you oh well this is only about my second one I've ever made I've been a recipient on the others how many have you had so far do you know
[speaker002:] I think I've had about four yeah yeah yeah it's well you know when I had to set huh this is my my Gemini nature you know it's like what are you interested in and it's like virtually anything I'll talk about anything with anybody
[speaker001:] four that's good very good yes yeah I don't
[speaker002:] and it's it's been real interesting the different personalities that I that I run across
[speaker001:] you bet you bet I know yes I always try to find out where they're from you know because it because it is neat neat it really is well then I guess I'll let you go so you can go get the door and
[speaker002:] exactly um-hum um-hum well thank you and um I enjoyed talking with you you have a good time camping when you go next time think of me all right bye-bye
[speaker001:] you me too thank you okay thank you bye-bye |
[speaker001:] Well, uh, what [LAUGHTER] what do you think about the metric system? Uh, do you, uh, find it useable? Have you tried much with it?
[speaker002:] Well, wi-, with an engineering,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] degree, it's, of course, it's a whole lot easier.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] because, uh,
[speaker001:] To use you mean, uh-huh.
[speaker002:] yeah, if, if somebody ha-, is totally unfamiliar with it, uh, human nature being what it is we don't like to change.
[speaker001:] Yes.
[speaker002:] Uh, it just absolutely makes perfectly good sense to me because it's all decimal.
[speaker001:] Yes.
[speaker002:] And it's so easy to convert from one set of units to another.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh, uh-huh. We, well I've lived both in the United States and, and in a country where they do use the metric system and, uh, so I've, I've lived with pounds and inches and found it really quite easy to convert over. Um, the secret seeming to me to be to not bother ever converting inches to centimeters and,
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] pounds to kilom-, uh, uh, kilograms,
[speaker002:] That's right.
[speaker001:] and, I think that's what hung people up the most is they went now wait a minute, an inch is two point fifty-four centimeters,
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] how on earth am I every going to do the math? *spelling
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] And the problem is that we tried to convert everything from inches to centimeters preserving basically the inches but expressing them as centimeters rather than saying no, a centimeter is about the width of your thumbnail, or whatever, and, you know, [LAUGHTER] and leaving it at that and, uh, you know, a kilogram weighs about this much and get used to it from scratch, cause I still can't convert back and forth from inches to centimeters but I'm perfectly comfortable using either.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And I think the real problem with this, this weird conversion, yo-, you see signs that say fifty-five miles per hour and, you know, whatever it would be one hundred six kilometers per hour, you know, people, you know, it's hard to take it seriously.
[speaker002:] Oh, yeah.
[speaker001:] And as long as both were given, you, basically, just don't read the kilometers per hour, you just say, well look read the miles per hour one, the other one must be for someone else.
[speaker002:] That's right.
[speaker001:] Uh, I don't know, I mean even Britain has converted over and we inherited this mess from them and, uh,
[speaker002:] That's right, it's all their fault.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] Well, I mean, it's more our fault than theirs at this point because they, they saw the light, um, I don't know why they we-, um, were more able than we were except I think, that they probably just said well, we're just going to start using the things now and you sort of have to force people to change since they don't want to [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Of course, being part of the European community, if everybody else did it they, they were probably much more, is much more necessary for them than for us.
[speaker001:] That's true, that's, that's probably true and America does have a long history of sort of doing things our own way [LAUGHTER] rather than adopting, you know, some other model.
[speaker002:] There's an expression for that, With eyes on the past, backing confidently into the future.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] I've never heard that one, that's very nice [LAUGHTER]. Oh, so I'm all for the metric system and converting over and I think, I guess, my feeling is the way to do it is, is to just start giving weights, you know, have a very brief transition period and then just start giving weights and kilometers, er, just as in kilometers and weights and kilograms and everything like that and, uh, just have people start using it rather than having people constantly trying to convert. Remember me getting a package of something that said one pound, this is a package of dates mind you, it's, was, presumably something you weigh fairly precisely, it said one pound [throat clearing] and then in parenthesis it said four hundred fifty-four point six grams [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Right, right.
[speaker001:] And, as near as I could tell, seeing that was basically anti-metric propaganda cause anyone who would say, well look I can either buy a pound of something at four hundred sixty-four point six grams which, of course, they couldn't weigh it out accurately anyway, um, every time I see something like that I think, well, that's, that's an anti-metric argument.
[speaker002:] Yeah. Well, uh, I, I don't think it'll, it could ever happen with, with a quick transition.
[speaker001:] You don't?
[speaker002:] No. I, I think that would be the easiest way but human nature being such as it is,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh, uh-huh.
[speaker002:] I would think it would take, probably, two or three years before people co-, could completely cut the cord.
[speaker001:] Yeah, oh, oh, that's what I was thinking by quick transition, I didn't mean, you know, I didn't mean like Sweden going over to right hand drive or anything, you know, [LAUGHTER] at midnight, tonight we all switch over or anything.
[speaker002:] Did they switch?
[speaker001:] Uh, I believe so, yeah, and I think they did it overnight cause you know, you can't do it gradually. [LAUGHTER] That's an example of something you can't do gradually.
[speaker002:] Well that's true. It, it has to be kind of a discreet transaction [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Yes, it does [LAUGHTER]. A quantum leap from left to right hand drive [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Interesting.
[speaker001:] And they, but, you know, that must have taken, uh, that was something that had to be done quickly,
[speaker002:] Oh, yes.
[speaker001:] you know, because of external circumstances, but they decided to do it to make themselves in sync with the rest of Europe,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] or the rest of continental Europe and, you know.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] But that must have been tremendously difficult to orchestrate.
[speaker002:] I'm sure.
[speaker001:] Um, so I, I, I, I, I think it's essential that it's done and I think the real trick is to avoid the [sigh] you know, a little more attention to human psychology and, whereas, people want round numbers and after all, the whole reason to go over to metric is to have round numbers,
[speaker002:] Exactly, exactly.
[speaker001:] so they don't deal with thirty seconds of an inch and so what the exact, the thing that was best about metric was the thing that was most poorly represented. Really, I think.
[speaker002:] Well, we do have the two liter soda pop bottles.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh, I saw that, I saw that the other day. I don-, don't drink soda pop,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] but I saw a two liter soda pop bottle so, yeah, things like that are a good start and if you start expressing one liters and one kilograms and then the pounds come in the, the, you know, the odd numbers,
[speaker002:] Right. Yes.
[speaker001:] you know, two point two pounds or something. I think people will start getting a sense of, gee the metric is the sensible one.
[speaker002:] That's true. Well, sure have enjoyed our talk.
[speaker001:] Yes, well get back to what you're doing and I'll do the same. I enjoyed talking with you too.
[speaker002:] Okay, God bless y-, Bye-bye.
[speaker001:] Okay. Bye-bye. |
[speaker001:] Um, I think life, uh, now I grew up on a farm, I don't, what kind did you grow up in the farm.
[speaker002:] I grew up in, um, well, at that time I was in a, uh, Trenton, New Jersey so, and it was a suburb of Trenton, so I really had mixture of suburb,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and urban living.
[speaker001:] I see, I see, well lit-, little bit different.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] I think though it was much slower and, uh, much more self-contained.
[speaker002:] I think you're right. It's interesting I'm, um, I work in a high school.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] So, uh, I'm comparing my life when I was in high school thirty years ago to what I see these children doing.
[speaker001:] Yes.
[speaker002:] And the pressures on the children, uh, you know, you hear this as an excuse, but it's true they are so much greater.
[speaker001:] Unreal, unreal by comparison.
[speaker002:] Oh, I cannot believe, uh, what they're doing, uh, academically the demands on them and, uh, and I can see why children do drop out.
[speaker001:] Yeah, I think that's right.
[speaker002:] I can see, I can see the, uh, you know,
[speaker001:] I, I can remember as a child, you know, nobody ever worried about me wondering out at night and going where I wanted to go.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh, uh-huh.
[speaker001:] It wasn't, it didn't occur to nobody to worry that anything would happen to me they were,
[speaker002:] And you, you didn't, you didn't have to lock your door.
[speaker001:] No, no.
[speaker002:] And, uh, a lo-, some of these are urban worries but, uh, it's, uh, it's a lot different all though I guess twenty years a go now, in this area, things were, um, similar because twenty years ago let's see, it was after,
[speaker001:] It's not all that long ago is it [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] yeah, to twenty, twenty-five years ago is when we had the Washington riots,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh, uh-huh.
[speaker002:] the first rights we've been having some problem now and it reminded me of that.
[speaker001:] Yeah, we were living in New Jersey.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] Uh, in, twenty years ago.
[speaker002:] Whereabouts?
[speaker001:] In Allendale.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And, uh, I use to have to go over to Patterson when those riots were going on,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] at sometimes. Um, I don't know though it's, it's kind of hard to really know because of though the news media had those riots, uh, kind of blown up out of proportion.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh, well,
[speaker001:] because I went there many times and,
[speaker002:] the Washington riots weren't, because [LAUGHTER],
[speaker001:] I never, I never saw a riot.
[speaker002:] The Washington riots weren't because I lived right downtown,
[speaker001:] Did you?
[speaker002:] Washington and, uh, [LAUGHTER] and what you saw is was what you got [LAUGHTER]. I'm telling you.
[speaker001:] That's what, yeah, well.
[speaker002:] Yeah, but, you know, it's, it is interesting, uh, they're so many mor-, they're different kind of dangers that face young people now and social pressures, uh, the pressures of drug is so much, the prevalence is so much greater,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] the, the kinds of diseases that you've got out the, uh, um,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] I mean the consequences is so much of what's going on,
[speaker001:] I think that's true, I think that's true.
[speaker002:] is so much more serious then when we were younger.
[speaker001:] I think the other thing is that, uh, we have taken some rather drastic turns in our, in our education and the way we approach things as of maybe starting back when, when I'm number one, you know, and, uh, uh, uh, worrying about self and not, uh, seeing the consequences of the disintegration of the family.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh, uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And, uh, and there have been many things that have happened that have not encouraged closeness of families and, uh, support for young people that the kind of support that they need,
[speaker002:] Yes, and,
[speaker001:] to help them take care of the things, if you don't have some kind of, of basic believe or something down inside of you,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] then it's very difficult to, uh, have anything to turn to,
[speaker002:] That's true.
[speaker001:] when you got, when you've got something facing you like that.
[speaker002:] I also being involved in the school system see so many of the problem children coming from their parents, um, children who will lie and cheat and you approach their parents, and their parents are constantly justify them rather then to,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] uh, you know, they're constantly,
[speaker001:] Like.
[speaker002:] excusing their,
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] child and you can see exactly,
[speaker001:] Yeah exactly.
[speaker002:] why the child is that way. You can as a teacher, can't hold a child accountable,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] if you're not going to get reinforced by,
[speaker001:] That's right.
[speaker002:] that at home.
[speaker001:] that's right.
[speaker002:] And you can't make up in a classroom of one hour a day,
[speaker001:] No.
[speaker002:] what's not been done for,
[speaker001:] That's right.
[speaker002:] fifteen or sixteen years at home,
[speaker001:] Oh.
[speaker002:] and you're, you get mixed signals so it's, it's not always the school's systems I think a lot of, it is the families,
[speaker001:] No, there's so much more, then that it starts,
[speaker002:] the way you were mentioning, yeah.
[speaker001:] very much deeper then that I think that too. I see some flickers of, of, uh, of good directions turning,
[speaker002:] No.
[speaker001:] but whether they're soon enough and fast enough I don't know, it's just,
[speaker002:] Of course, life is a lot more complicated too in ways, um, the kinds of jobs that people need to be trained,
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] for now. Uh, you know, with farming being so mechanized,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] uh, people working on the family farm which was a traditional American way that becomes less and less likely, factory jobs are so much more, um, uh, sophisticated.
[speaker001:] Yeah, that's right.
[speaker002:] And the kinds of knowledge that, uh, you know, it, it's requiring an increasingly sophisticated labor force and,
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] some people just don't have it.
[speaker001:] And there's so much, so, so many people on the lower end of those who, who are going to be the, the drop outs and the,
[speaker002:] And you worry when,
[speaker001:] and the poor and the homeless and whatnot,
[speaker002:] you know these the sex and drugs on the young children and the unborn children,
[speaker001:] Yeah, that's just another,
[speaker002:] uh, in terms of what it's going to mean to a society,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] in the future it's a some ways it's rather frightening,
[speaker001:] It really is it's just, it just is almost overwhelming sometimes when you think,
[speaker002:] It certainly is.
[speaker001:] of, of the jobs that is out there to be done,
[speaker002:] Well, it sure is.
[speaker001:] in order to flip things back around the way they needed to be,
[speaker002:] It sure is.
[speaker001:] Uh, not that I really think that they were perfect ten, twenty, or thirty years ago, but,
[speaker002:] It was a little easier though wasn't it?
[speaker001:] Uh, yeah, just the volume makes a big difference,
[speaker002:] Yes.
[speaker001:] I think as, uh, as, uh, mother you know, I use to think sometimes it's not so much, uh, it's not so much the kids, it's just the volume of it,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] to try to keep all wash done and all the things done and, you know, and everything.
[speaker002:] And all the things demanded of the mother too I mean,
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] uh, I look at my mother's life I mean she, she didn't work, um, um, for a long time whe-, when I was very young she didn't drive. Uh, she learned to drive I think when I was, um, a teenager, and her life was a lot simpler,
[speaker001:] Right and,
[speaker002:] and I sit here,
[speaker001:] and children's lives were simpler because mother was there, somebody was there.
[speaker002:] That's right.
[speaker001:] And, and when there's nobody there,
[speaker002:] That's right, that's right.
[speaker001:] I always thought too that, you know, people worrying about going to work when their child, when their children are little and I, and I think that's sad if they have to because they miss so much, but I, I believed after having a few teenagers that the worst time you could go,
[speaker002:] They need you more as a teenager.
[speaker001:] to go work was when they were teenagers.
[speaker002:] Isn't that true. That's why I'm working in a school system so that I'm home when they're home. Um,
[speaker001:] Right, it's not so much that they come to you every minute, but it's that you are there when they need you.
[speaker002:] That's exac-, isn't that, that's so true,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] uh, uh, I find working in a high school is very helpful because it lets me be a little more tolerant and understanding of what people do,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] and it keeps me from being the old fogy so, but at the same time,
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] it also it prevents kids from try to go pull the wool over your eyes,
[speaker001:] Yes, I think [LAUGHTER] that's true.
[speaker002:] as to what's com-, but that's the same I'm home in the summers, I'm home with the holidays,
[speaker001:] Yeah, that's,
[speaker002:] I'm home at three o clock when the children are at home or where home,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] one is now a senior in high school and the other's in college,
[speaker001:] Well,
[speaker002:] and, uh,
[speaker001:] But that helps a lot,
[speaker002:] It's, uh, it, uh, it does,
[speaker001:] I have a daughter who just had a second job, she needed to work and he opted to go into a day care center where she could have her children with her.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh, uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And, uh, and looked a long time before she found one that was laid back enough so they she would be able to interact with them,
[speaker002:] That's right.
[speaker001:] and, uh, and so I, , you know, good kind of experience as well but, uh,
[speaker002:] Well I,
[speaker001:] I think that's really important I don't think people realize how important it is.
[speaker002:] That's, that is, that is so true,
[speaker001:] Yeah, uh,
[speaker002:] and it's not that always that the children always say something but every once in awhile they'll come up and make a comment,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] and you realize it's important that, uh, and yet, you know, we have to make that choice I think twenty, thirty years ago a lot of women,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] just didn't have to make that choice.
[speaker001:] I think that's right. What was, what was your name again?
[speaker002:] Well, I, Linda Lee.
[speaker001:] Linda.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] Okay.
[speaker002:] And your name was?
[speaker001:] Well I think probably that we've just about [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER] Well I enjoyed,
[speaker001:] I'm going to,
[speaker002:] talking with you.
[speaker001:] change the world but, uh,
[speaker002:] Well, I enjoyed talking with you.
[speaker001:] Yes, it's nice talking to you, too.
[speaker002:] Okay.
[speaker001:] Bye now.
[speaker002:] Bye-bye. |
[speaker001:] Okay, um, do you have any pets now?
[speaker002:] Well, we don't right now, no. We've, uh, I grew up
[speaker001:] [Baby talking].
[speaker002:] with, uh, with pets. My folks and I always had a dog and a cat,
[speaker001:] [Baby talking].
[speaker002:] some,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] birds, but, uh, right now we don't have anything.
[speaker001:] Oh, okay. Um, that,
[speaker002:] What about you?
[speaker001:] a matter of choice, or compulsion?
[speaker002:] Well, we've just, uh, it seems like,
[speaker001:] [Baby talking].
[speaker002:] we've always been at a place [baby talking] where we'd have to go away for the summer or something and, uh, it was,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] never convenient to have anything. we were thinking about getting a dog if we get into a house.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] Uh, someplace where there, you know, we can take care of it and everything. We've got,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] some children who would just really, uh, enjoy having an animal, you know, a dog, I think and,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] What about you all?
[speaker001:] Well, right now [breathing] I'm a student, and campus housing does not even allow thinking about that [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Oh, no.
[speaker001:] No, we almost got chased out of here for feeding a stray cat.
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER] Is that right?
[speaker001:] Yeah. They're very strict about it.
[speaker002:] But you like, uh, you like pets and things?
[speaker001:] Oh, I love animals.
[speaker002:] [Faint] Oh, yeah.
[speaker001:] I was raised, [breathing] our house when I, when I was growing up there was almost never, uh, at least one cat in the house.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] It was al-, almost always at least one cat, sometimes, you know, like fifteen or twenty. But, uh, always cats in the house.
[speaker002:] Oh, yeah. We, we,
[speaker001:] Oh.
[speaker002:] enjoyed them. We like, we like pets, but, uh, you know, you've got to deal with, uh, taking care of them and, and feeding them and everything like that.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] And our kids are, we've got some children and they're not, not used to it, you know, on a daily basis. They, they, uh,
[speaker001:] How old are your kids?
[speaker002:] Oh, from fourteen down to seven.
[speaker001:] Okay.
[speaker002:] You sound like you've got some small ones in the background.
[speaker001:] One.
[speaker002:] Is that right?
[speaker001:] Our first. He's about te-, eleven weeks now.
[speaker002:] Oh, great.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] Congratulations.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] Where are you from?
[speaker001:] Uh, originally?
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] West Virginia.
[speaker002:] Okay.
[speaker001:] Um, I don't know how familiar you are with that area of the country but,
[speaker002:] I've been to Charleston.
[speaker001:] Charleston, West Virginia?
[speaker002:] Yes, uh-huh.
[speaker001:] Okay, that's pretty much the south end of the state, or the southern quarter of the state, anyway? [NOISE].
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] Okay, in the north end of the state, you've got that little narrow strip of West Virginia going up between Ohio and Pennsylvania [NOISE].
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] Right at the base of that northern peninsula
[speaker002:] Uh-huh [faint].
[speaker001:] is my hometown.
[speaker002:] Well, that's, yeah, that's interesting. So it's really up north in the country, really,.
[speaker001:] Yeah,
[speaker002:] I guess so.
[speaker001:] yeah. It's, well, um, my parents' house is like three miles south of where the Mason-Dixon Line would have hit the Ohio River had it
[speaker002:] Gosh.
[speaker001:] continued that far.
[speaker002:] I see.
[speaker001:] So,
[speaker002:] It's pretty nice country up there?
[speaker001:] Oh, it's beautiful.
[speaker002:] Hills, or what?
[speaker001:] Uh, well, from my neck of the woods, it's hilly.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] Um, you know, uh, maybe three hundred, four hundred feet elevation, uh,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh [faint].
[speaker001:] type variations from the valleys up to the hills, the hilltops.
[speaker002:] Is it farmland?
[speaker001:] Um, not a lot of farmland there. Mostly it's, uh, I mean, you know, there's, you know, individuals with their own, own f-, uh, growing their own food. Uh, most of the agriculture, it's more in the way of, uh, sheep and cattle.
[speaker002:] Oh, yes.
[speaker001:] And even that's, you know, small time mostly.
[speaker002:] Sure.
[speaker001:] Uh, the biggest chunk of what's going on there is, is, uh, industry.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] It's coal mines and chemical plants and power plants.
[speaker002:] Okay.
[speaker001:] Uh, aluminum plants. There's like two aluminum plants.
[speaker002:] What are you, [throat clearing] what are you studying there at Heidelberg?
[speaker001:] Computer engineering.
[speaker002:] [Faint] Oh, yeah. What year?
[speaker001:] Uh, just finished up my fourth semester.
[speaker002:] Well, great.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] Yeah. I hope that works out well.
[speaker001:] Yeah, it's a big change.
[speaker002:] [Faint] Yeah.
[speaker001:] I spent,
[speaker002:] What's,
[speaker001:] twenty years as a mechanic so,
[speaker002:] Oh, did you?
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] Well, you've got some experience behind you in the work force.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] Yeah. Are you, uh, shooting for a bachelor's now, or a master's, or what?
[speaker001:] I'm working on a bachelor's degree.
[speaker002:] Oh, okay, good.
[speaker001:] I'm working on a bachelor's degree. It'll be compu-,
[speaker002:] Hope it's a good program there.
[speaker001:] Pardon?
[speaker002:] Hope it's a good program there.
[speaker001:] Uh, it seems to me, from what I've been able to find out.
[speaker002:] Yeah, good.
[speaker001:] That's considered a pretty good program. It's nice and small, which means, you know, if you don't get the class this semester, then you've got to wait or three or four s-, you know, anywhere from two to four semesters to get,
[speaker002:] Huh [faint].
[speaker001:] it again. But, uh, i-, it's worth it once you get it.
[speaker002:] Well, yes, that's good. And probably a good, uh, student teacher ratio and things.
[speaker001:] Oh, yeah, yeah.
[speaker002:] Yeah [faint].
[speaker001:] Most the class are pretty small.
[speaker002:] Good.
[speaker001:] That works out real well.
[speaker002:] Well, I, I was wondering what, if you all were to get a pet, like if you were to move into an apartment or a house somewhere, what would you get?
[speaker001:] Uh, well, um, first off we'd probably wind up with a, a cat or maybe a puppy.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] I, I, I'm partial towards the larger dogs.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] Um, our last, we've, we've had a couple of cats before we moved on campus.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] Uh, had a hamster or two, and they, they got,
[speaker002:] A hamster.
[speaker001:] to be a lot of fun.
[speaker002:] Oh, yeah.
[speaker001:] Uh, it's amazing how much character, |
[speaker001:] well hi Bob
[speaker002:] hi
[speaker001:] hi um my lawn and garden well that that's quite a topic because uh basically my husband takes care of it
[speaker002:] um
[speaker001:] um but what he's done is he's done a raised garden in the back yard because that we don't have dirt around here you understand that the it's it's sludge it's it's mud it's cruddy
[speaker002:] yeah right right yeah that's the
[speaker001:] so you know instead of uh trying to break every rototiller that we ever rented um we've just decided to do the raised garden and it works out great he just built like a twelve by eight box
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] out of um lumber that's you know the Wolmanized lumber and it's I guess it's maybe oh say eighteen inches wide so it makes a really nice box set that on top of the dirt
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and then worked and worked and worked with the soil I mean bag after bag from Wolfe Nursery to uh fill it up
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] but over the years it has produced some of the best vegetables and garden um you know type things that
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] boy it's been really great and right now we have tomatoes out there and we've got you know have eggplant we're growing corn corn grows great here so um we really enjoy that a lot
[speaker002:] yeah oh that's good uh yeah well it's uh so far as vegetable gardening is concerned it has been uh many years since I've tried any of that uh I we did have uh we've been in our house uh where we're located now for about fifteen years
[speaker001:] oh
[speaker002:] and about uh eight nine about nine years ago I guess we put a swimming pool in our backyard which means we don't have a backyard anymore uh so our our gardening is pretty much uh limited to plants uh you know shrubs and and trees that that kind of gardening
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] uh I in the years that I did have vegetable gardens there were you know there were times when I had really good gardens and there were times when they just they weren't very good at all and I guess uh the soil and the and the bugs together
[speaker001:] it's it's amazing they come up well someone told me they they come in the in the uh packs you know the seed packages that's where the bugs come from
[speaker002:] sort of um-hum yeah I wouldn't doubt that uh I always like to try to grow squash and uh the squash bugs would would just go crazy
[speaker001:] yeah oh those oh yeah we've given up on those ourselves
[speaker002:] and uh and in in my experience with tomatoes was that if I got tomatoes at all they usually got uh sun blisters you know or or it would rain on them and they would bust open you know when the heat hit them
[speaker001:] yeah I guess we've got an early early grow variety or something like that and they're just now you know starting to turn red so before hopefully before all this heat hits
[speaker002:] but uh yeah but uh but there were you know there were years uh we I grew uh the little plum salad type tomatoes uh quite a bit and had real good luck with those
[speaker001:] we'll have some tomatoes uh-huh
[speaker002:] uh one year at at a the house we lived in before which was also here in Richardson uh we grew okra and I I picked okra up until almost Christmas
[speaker001:] I know what you mean green peppers grow like crazy too around here
[speaker002:] yeah and uh and I still I still occasionally will grow uh jalapeno peppers uh we we like jalapenos and they they grow real well too now you can just stick one of those anywhere
[speaker001:] right yeah definitely right right
[speaker002:] uh one of the things that we're doing talking about uh about lawns and shrubs uh we have a live oak tree in our front yard
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and we just have more trouble getting grass to grow underneath that
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and we're in the process or at least in the planning stage of of putting in a bed around that oak tree
[speaker001:] I think that'd be really pretty really nice
[speaker002:] uh right yeah we're going to just have a ground you know put ground cover and and maybe you know maybe a few low plants under there
[speaker001:] I think I think that Asian jasmine just is so aggressive it'll take no time at all to surround that tree and probably your house and your back yard and your pool the way it goes
[speaker002:] right and uh right right we uh uh uh we uh brought some plants out we're from both from East Texas and we brought some plants in from there and uh one one of the things that we brought uh unintentionally was uh violets
[speaker001:] oh oh
[speaker002:] which is like almost like a ground cover and they really spread they really spread out and grow uh pretty rapidly when they you know when they're growing well
[speaker001:] oh oh that would be a good idea
[speaker002:] but uh but they uh they are I guess uh not an annual but a they they volunteer to come back every year but they do die off during the winter I've forgotten what the term is for that
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] but uh but they do die back during the winter so that you know they are not really very satisfactory for a you know for a full ground cover because of that
[speaker001:] yeah well that you know one project we're looking at is we're building a deck out back and we want to put a tree in and we've been looking around and maybe you could you know suggest something but
[speaker002:] but uh
[speaker001:] um the tree that we've sort of you know come upon is a Bradford pear and we wanted it for shade and we wanted it for you know for the leaf and um that's
[speaker002:] um-hum yeah um I I don't I'm not familiar with that pear tree uh but it's a non bearing pear is that right yeah
[speaker001:] you know right it does it's yeah it's ornamental
[speaker002:] uh and then the uh of course the leaves drop off during the winter right so
[speaker001:] right that's true
[speaker002:] yeah we have uh we've had real good luck with uh and again these are like volunteer trees that we transplanted from east Texas but we've got a couple uh well we did buy one though we have a couple of red bud trees
[speaker001:] oh red bud
[speaker002:] and uh we've got one of those on our patio uh we've got a lot of rock and and around in our one area of our patio and we brought a a red bud tree in and it has done very well it has a a a little larger leaf than uh maybe even than a pear tree I know it's got larger leaves than a plum tree has
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] the uh the leaves are probably uh oh four inches or so in diameter and uh you know makes a pretty good uh tree it
[speaker001:] that would be a great shade tree then
[speaker002:] it it has uh of course during the early spring it has the red you know the red flowers that are really pretty
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] uh the only problem wit h it is it does have a seed pod uh you know a little it's a little flat bean type seed pod that uh will drop off you know uh when uh when they start drying out so there's a little bit of clean up work for that
[speaker001:] um but as long as you mow the grass around well you said it was around rocks but
[speaker002:] yeah yeah always it's uh with with our in our case uh it's fairly close to our swimming pool
[speaker001:] oh
[speaker002:] and so the uh the flowers uh uh blow in there they don't drop in but they blow into the swimming pool so there's a good a good bit of cleanup you know in the swimming pool from that but it's you know it's not too bad even at that so
[speaker001:] well that's just in the springtime too isn't it
[speaker002:] right and uh but uh y eah we we've really enjoyed that uh the live oak tree that we have uh is in the front and of course the live oak is uh it's susceptible to bending by the wind it it it leans away from the predominant wind direction
[speaker001:] oh
[speaker002:] and I think I think you'll find that uh we also have an apple tree uh in our side yard and it does the same thing the the southwesternly winds southwesternly winds which are predominant you know during the growing season make both of those trees lean toward the northeast
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and uh so it's but that's uh the live oak tree that's you'll find that uh pretty much anywhere that there are if there's a grove of live oaks growing they're going to be leaning away from the you know the direction of the wind
[speaker001:] oh that's interesting get to know all these things
[speaker002:] uh if you if you go down along the uh Texas coast there a lot of them grow you know down there and you'll see them and there'll just be like twenty five or thirty of them growing real close together and they'll all every one of them be leaning away from water away from the from the water mostly
[speaker001:] leaning away from well that's interesting yeah I know that um we've done some other things with the grass and trying to
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] you know get the right combination of grass here
[speaker002:] right the uh
[speaker001:] because it's
[speaker002:] what kind of grasses are you growing
[speaker001:] well we see ours was a model house so when they set it up they had like these cement walkways across the front yard
[speaker002:] um-hum yeah
[speaker001:] and they had planted bermuda and then when they took the cement walkways out they stuck in um what what is that Saint Augustine stuff
[speaker002:] Saint Augustine right
[speaker001:] and I am a transplant here from the north myself and so when I saw that Saint Augustine I said oh weeds and I spent I mean weeks just pulling it up bag by bag
[speaker002:] hm
[speaker001:] until I went to the nursery one day and found out they were selling it by plugs you know and I could have made some money on all those big huge black bags of stuff I'd thrown out so we're trying to um
[speaker002:] right yeah
[speaker001:] after after this winter we had a lot of winter kill and hopefully you know some of the Bermuda will take over and because I really like that grass
[speaker002:] right yeah what you what you will find uh with the Saint Augustine grass is it's very susceptible to both diseases and to grub worms
[speaker001:] yeah that yeah the grubs
[speaker002:] you know uh the the grub worm is the larva of the uh June beetle
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] the June bug beetle and uh the grub worms uh in the late spring uh the the beetles come in and and they lay their eggs in the grass and then the grub worms come out in the larva stage and they eat the grass off at the roots they eat the roots of the grass off
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] and uh we we had Saint Augustine uh in uh our yard before I mean before we the house we were in before and one year all of the Saint Augustine in our backyard died |
[speaker001:] So, how do we fix the national budget?
[speaker002:] Damned if I know. Um, [LAUGHTER] I don't know, I suspect, uh, let's see, I suspect we should do what everyone says we should do, we should cut spending and maybe even raise taxes but Lord knows you sh-, one shouldn't say that.
[speaker001:] Well,
[speaker002:] I, I, I suspect we should probably have an independent auditing agency go in and look at how the government spends money. And work from there.
[speaker001:] That would probably be good, but,
[speaker002:] Because I, because I don't think they're very good at it.
[speaker001:] something that the government hasn't been looking at is the source of the problem.
[speaker002:] [Very faint] Huh.
[speaker001:] The true source of the problem is, a, that we do spend too much,
[speaker002:] [Very faint] Yes.
[speaker001:] but also, b, that we don't take in enough.
[speaker002:] Yeah, well, wh-, wh-, wh-, why do you say that actually?
[speaker001:] Uh, too few Americans are working.
[speaker002:] [Very faint] Huh.
[speaker001:] If more Americans were working and meaningful good paying labor,
[speaker002:] Yes.
[speaker001:] and paying taxes,
[speaker002:] Rather than using taxes.
[speaker001:] and the tax structure was fair between the lowest and the highest income Americans, then we would have more money there to play with.
[speaker002:] Oh, that's interesting. Yeah, that's probably true, I mean, well, we also, we'd be spending less because all the money that, that normally goes to support those people aren't working, it's back in the system.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] So, you're right. That's a real neat idea. Well, what, but, I mean, what can, you know, at, at some point, what can you do to sort of raise rev-, I mean, to raise jobs I wonder.
[speaker001:] Well, I hesitate to say we ought to spend ourselves to affluence but, in fact, in some cases that's what we ought to do.
[speaker002:] Oh, okay. So, start.
[speaker001:] Not Reaganomics, thank you.
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER] But, that's not going to work, uh,
[speaker001:] Uh, what I was thinking more along the lines of is start going to space.
[speaker002:] Huh. And that way just create more jobs [very faint] or whatever?
[speaker001:] Well, at some point there, there will be enough jobs for most of the ab-, able-bodied Americans.
[speaker002:] [Very faint] Huh. [Very faint], well, that's a neat idea.
[speaker001:] We also need to, uh, assure that there's some work in the private sector.
[speaker002:] Yeah, that's what, that's what, yo-, you think space would do that much for that or,
[speaker001:] I think it would do something for it. I think we would fill up new technologies. But I think we should also do something rather radical.
[speaker002:] Like what?
[speaker001:] Legalize marijuana.
[speaker002:] Oh, you think, you think that would, uh, have a major effect? Well, that would put a lot of criminals out of business for a while anyway.
[speaker001:] What?
[speaker002:] Th-, that might have a, uh, a good effect on, on, on crime anyway.
[speaker001:] Yes, uh, okay, I think it would take some of that money out of the hands of criminals. I think it would put, reduce the amount of carry on drug use where people advance from one drug to another.
[speaker002:] That's probably true.
[speaker001:] I think that, I think most importantly it would give the federal government something new that they could tax.
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER] And probably a lot of.
[speaker001:] And probably a lot of and really receive some revenues from.
[speaker002:] Yeah but that's potentially,
[speaker001:] Uh, if you look at prohibition historically, it's repeal helped the federal government a lot in tax revenues.
[speaker002:] [Very faint] Uh-huh, huh. No, I had never thought about that.
[speaker001:] Then I think once we put money back into the cof-, in the coffers of the federal government,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and get the federal government to where there's money there again, we should reduce the amount of money, and this would have to come rather quickly, and would have to come originally also where we're not paying, in some cases we do pay more, for welfare recipients to live then they can earn in the true minimum wage environment.
[speaker002:] That's true we do, often times they are paid more, yeah.
[speaker001:] And you can't deny people the right to supply their families better through whatever means.
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] That's just sensible on their part.
[speaker002:] That's just what on their part, I'm sorry, I missed that.
[speaker001:] It's just sensible on their parts,
[speaker002:] Oh.
[speaker001:] to go after the, the, the greater amount of income.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] So, if you lower the amount they make and raise the amount of true minimum wage jobs, not those that are affected by the federal minimum wage, then more people will get off welfare.
[speaker002:] That, that maybe true. That's very true.
[speaker001:] You know, give them a true incentive to want to work.
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] And then don't start letting more outsiders in for a few years until we figure out exactly where we're at with unemployment.
[speaker002:] [Very faint] Right, that's a,
[speaker001:] Reduce immigration,
[speaker002:] [Very faint] Huh.
[speaker001:] or eliminate it entirely for a few years, until we get our own house in order.
[speaker002:] Yeah, and maybe even reduce, al-, along the same lines, maybe reduce imports as well, I think.
[speaker001:] Oh, absolutely, absolutely.
[speaker002:] I mean. We don't need to buy other people's stuff right now. *new slash unit after the first period?
[speaker001:] That's right, when we're in a world of hurt, well, I don't, I'm not going to say that we ought to re-, reduce them through legal means. I think we ought to just tax them severely.
[speaker002:] Right, well, that, that's what happened in other country though. And other places they tax us quite ha-, I mean, they tax American imports quite heavily. So, we could do the same thing, I mean, just, and, you know, they may get,
[speaker001:] It seems only fair.
[speaker002:] Right, it does seem only fair, I mean, why not.
[speaker001:] And I think really if we got all those that are able-bodied into the work force [pause] [breathing] reduced [pause] the amount going out for those purposes, created new jobs for that work force, there would be plenty of money.
[speaker002:] I think so.
[speaker001:] And then at that point,
[speaker002:] Yes.
[speaker001:] quit spending on space.
[speaker002:] Oh real,
[speaker001:] Force it all into the, into the private sector.
[speaker002:] Oh, really I love the switch. Well, at that point you might, we, i-, i-, it wouldn't be a problem anymore possibly, you know, we would be,
[speaker001:] That's right.
[speaker002:] we would be able to keep it wherever we wanted to in space or the ocean research whatever we wanted to do, but I think the,
[speaker001:] Uh, space was just a convenient place for me to go because that would put a lot of,
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] a lot of Millspec and NASA work operates to the same demanding specifications,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] that would put a bunch of defense workers back to work.
[speaker002:] Right, compared to defense. Well, that's a good idea. Well, it, well, the other thing, and the other thing I, I, I think we seriously need to do is, um, like I say, have someone go in and look and, you know, and find out where it is we're paying ten thousand dollars per toilet seat or something.
[speaker001:] You know what causes that?
[speaker002:] Um, greed, I suspect.
[speaker001:] Uh, no. Your, your buying large, uh, the government specifications,
[speaker002:] [Very faint] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] sheets of paper for building a pair of B V D underwear for the federal government,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] is twenty-two foot tall.
[speaker002:] Really?
[speaker001:] If it was all on nine by elevens stacked one on top of another.
[speaker002:] For making, you mean, government issue underwear?
[speaker001:] For making government issue underwear.
[speaker002:] Jesus.
[speaker001:] To just understand those legal requirements and operate within the government guidelines,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] costs the company a huge amount of money.
[speaker002:] Well, that's potentially a fault of the government then, I mean, that could, things like that should,
[speaker001:] Yes, a huge amount of it is not the fault of the contractor.
[speaker002:] Right, well, that's a, I had never heard that before.
[speaker001:] Uh, a huge amount of what you hear on, about the seventy-five dollar hammers,
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] and the nine hundred dollar toilet seats doesn't come from people in the industry, it comes from senators that don't know anything about it.
[speaker002:] [Very faint] Huh.
[speaker001:] Uh, my job is government tooling specialist.
[speaker002:] Oh, okay, so, you know about some of these things.
[speaker001:] Yeah. |
[speaker001:] go ahead
[speaker002:] okay do I still can't still can feel that the Soviet Union as such is still a threat to the civilized western world absolutely and my reasons are based upon not only from what I read in the newspapers what I see on the newspapers but up against some of the fun and exciting things I ran into during my six years as a soldier in the Fifth Special Forces Group
[speaker001:] um okay I guess I don't see them as much of a threat as they used to be but I think just the instability of the country right now uh-huh
[speaker002:] well that's what makes it a powder keg
[speaker001:] so scary
[speaker002:] the um I'll go back in time a little bit to about eighty one
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] when my first real involvement with the military started um naturally we were at the time the Soviet Union was considered to be the big military power and the big threat so we got lots quite a bit of information as well as indoctrination on Soviet tactics and weapons
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] I went to Lebanon in eighty three before the marines ever got there with the UN Peace Keeping Force and with the training I received prior to going there with captured weapons we kept running up against these weren't these weren't Chinese made copies these were Soviet made top of the line fresh out of the box AK-47s
[speaker001:] um uh-huh
[speaker002:] as well as a lot of the explosives we were running into in Granada in October twenty fifth eighty three we invaded the place sure there were Cuban soldiers there but there was also a bunch of Russian advisors that were damn good shots the team I was with we jumped in on the western tip of of the island down on Point Salinas and for every Cuban there was at least five Russian advisors
[speaker001:] huh
[speaker002:] and they were all shooting state of the art Soviet weapons in eighty four I was down in Central America as an advisor to the Honduran army again we were running up against Cubans quite a bit plus Soviet advisors and the equipment we were capturing and taking from the Nicaraguans was brand new out of the crate Soviet made material do I consider them a threat absolutely they have a university in Moscow called the Patrice de Lamumba University about like A and M or UT where they're teachings subjects like that they're teaching terrorism some of the people we went up against in Lebanon were graduates from that place and let me tell you they are nothing nice to go up against
[speaker001:] huh
[speaker002:] I'm surprised during this Iraqi crisis we didn't have more incidents than they did these guys are top of the line when they when they graduate from there they can pull terrorist actions anywhere in the free world and they are very very good at what they do so until I see the entire quote old guard of the Soviet military of the Soviet government completely roll over and disappear preferably buried I still consider them a threat
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] their military is different from ours to where there are extremist generals generals that actually control tens and thousands of troops that irregardless of what Soviet policy is they're going to do what the general tells them
[speaker001:] yeah I guess that's what concerns me the most is they're they're so unstable that somebody like that could make uh decisions that would jeopardize a lot of people
[speaker002:] well it's interesting interesting watching the different Soviet states Albania Lithuania doing their little revolts down there
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] each one of those sectors has got a Soviet general over the troops that are there so far they hadn't run into the real psychos yet there's probably five or six which would be an equivalent of our joint chiefs of staffs that are in positions over some of these Soviet states if uprisings happen happen in their sectors it is it's going to be a total blood bath
[speaker001:] yeah it looks like it's come close to that as it is
[speaker002:] actually they're showing remarkable restraint they get real nasty the Hyundee helicopters come out and they would level entire areas okay you're from the Dallas area right
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] okay you know basically the size of uh the area around Richardson
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] you put five Soviet Hyundee helicopters in the air they can level the entire area and there won't be anything left alive and they can do that in about four minutes
[speaker001:] huh
[speaker002:] and they've got entire squadrons of those just standing by they used them in Afghanistan did remarkably remarkably well considering the terrain they were flying in but on a highly populated area like some of the Soviet cities would be with the weaponry that's attached on those things there is no place to hide if the bombs don't get you if the bullets don't get you then the then the nerve gas definitely will get you the only drawback on that little piece of machinery is they only got five minutes of air time they drink that much fuel
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] were you have you I take it you haven't spent any time in the military
[speaker001:] no I haven't
[speaker002:] as a civilian that's never been attached to any form of the military I know a lot of this stuff that I was involved in never did make the newspapers but
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] during that same time frame didn't you get some feeling that I mean they're getting all these weapons and stuff didn't it it bug you a little bit why they kept coming up with all this stuff
[speaker001:] you mean in the in the most recent conflict
[speaker002:] in any of them since eighty one
[speaker001:] oh yeah definitely I I'm I'm a little bit shocked to what the US has done in terms of selling to Iraq in the past ten to fifteen years yeah I think we we kind of shoot ourselves in the foot that way too it's bad enough that the Soviets do it
[speaker002:] it all boils down to whether it's our side their side it's a matter of money to a certain extent
[speaker001:] um uh-huh
[speaker002:] the deal the Iraqi's have with the Russians was for oil
[speaker001:] yeah it's scary to know that they're supplying that many people with weapons especially when it's to the south of us
[speaker002:] uh the ones to the south are more regional conflict they're not really that worried about invading north they're more interested in they've got a screwed up situation I'll give them that from Mexico all the way down into Central Central and South America the situation down there is weird and it's very screwed up
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] inflation is out of this world and the governments which our government has technically supported for years are corrupt as all get out and generally the people are getting screwed and they're tired of it and they're willing to try anything to get out from under it even if that means going to communism
[speaker001:] yeah well I think Russia is getting to the point where they're they're about to do something to get out of communism I guess I'd would like to see somebody like Yeltsin to get more power I think Gorbachev has about had his day
[speaker002:] unfortunately Yeltsin's got too many connections with the old guard that's the only drawback that I see with the entire thing Gorbachev has m ade his attempt and he's had his problems with some of the old guard himself
[speaker001:] yeah uh-huh
[speaker002:] Yeltsin's in tight wi th the old guard so it may be trying to choose between the lesser of two evils at this point
[speaker001:] uh-huh true I don't know I sure wouldn't turn my back on them
[speaker002:] you mean I understand when they pulled the troops out of uh or they reduced the number of troops in Europe after the Berlin Wall went down I thought that was great but by no means do I endorse or approve pulling everybody out
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] it may be a much reduced force than what we used to have over there but you still better have the key players in place if something does go down even if it's a regional conflict if United States is going to flex its muscle and be the super power that it is not only does it it can talk the talk but it's got to be able to walk the walk it's got to have the stuff to back it back up what it's saying if you've only got a token force there you can't hold your ground
[speaker001:] at least they're learning a little bit from history I mean uh |
[speaker001:] Do you have any?
[speaker002:] Sure. I have a Springer Spaniel, and her name is Thumper. She's about seven or eight years old. I got her for Christmas from my family, and, uh, back when we lived in Nebraska. I like to hunt, and, uh, so, I thought that if I had a good hunting dog like Thumper that, boy, I could just go out and get all kinds of game [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Did it work? [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Yeah, except we live in Plano, Texas now
[speaker001:] No, right.
[speaker002:] so [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] I, um, I had a, for many years I had a dog that was part Springer Spaniel. I just love them. Her name was Molly, but she isn't alive any more [inhaling]. We had her for, um, fifteen years, I think, my family did, and just loved her. She was the greatest, greatest, um, went through two generations of children in my family and was always very gentle.
[speaker002:] Do you have a pet now?
[speaker001:] Yeah, I have a cat now. He just turned seven, also, [LAUGHTER] and he's, I, um, got him in Arizona
[speaker002:] Oh.
[speaker001:] and, when I used to live there, and he is huge. He is eighteen pounds.
[speaker002:] What kind of cat is it?
[speaker001:] Just, um, I got him, he was, um, he was born in the wild, like in a, in a shed
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and had never been in a building when I got him. So he, and he's, he, he must be part, cross part with some kind of desert animal, because he's very long and lanky, but he's a very tame spoiled house cat, you know, now that I've had him for seven years.
[speaker002:] Being born outside, you didn't have any problems house training him?
[speaker001:] No, no
[speaker002:] That's good.
[speaker001:] he's, yeah, he's great, and uh, he's, uh, he's really spoiled, though [LAUGHTER]. So, but he's really big, so, lots of times he, it, he seems to get in fights, and when he was younger I think he started them, and now, I think he barely makes it. I think he gets beat up even though he's big, because he's
[speaker002:] Sure.
[speaker001:] pretty much overweight, and
[speaker002:] And older [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] comes home with a few scratches now and then,
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] yeah.
[speaker002:] Well, we went to a cat show at the Plano Center here in town, and, uh, we thought that, we have a cat now, but we thought, Well, if we ever get another cat, you know, we'd want something kind of unique, so, we kind of looked around, and they had everything from hairless cats to Siamese cats and Persian cats and we sort of fell in love with the, uh, Maine Coon cats.
[speaker001:] Oh, I've seen them. I
[speaker002:] They're huge.
[speaker001:] yeah, [LAUGHTER] I have seen them. They, um, weren't they, they were actually, I can't remember, they were used to be used on ships and in, for, for mousers
[speaker002:] Oh.
[speaker001:] you know, so they're very nautical, too [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] I'll be darned. I didn't know that.
[speaker001:] Yeah, I just, uh, I think I'm, I think I'm being accurate in the, in the area of folklore, but I'm not sure.
[speaker002:] Well that's interesting.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] We kind of like, well, my family didn't necessarily like, like them as much as I did, but the Manx, is that the one that doesn't have a tail
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] it sort of has a bob tail. I kind of like that, too, but.
[speaker001:] Yeah. I'd love to go to a cat show. I'm real, a real cat lover. I'd have a lot more cats if my boyfriend would let u-, let me [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] He doesn't really like mine, let alone another one.
[speaker002:] Well, I'll tell you an interesting story about how I got my dog, and then I suppose our five minutes will be up.
[speaker001:] Yeah. Okay.
[speaker002:] I work for a university, and I went to, uh, Omaha, Nebraska to recruit students, and I had some time off in the afternoon, so I went to a, a pet shop, and I saw these little Springer Spaniels
[speaker001:] Um.
[speaker002:] and so I decided, well, you know, this would really be a nice dog to have, so, when I got back home to Carney, Nebraska, I told my wife about it, and I said, You know, this is just a, I, I, I can just hear the dog crying for me now [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] I know what you mean.
[speaker002:] And Christmas is coming up, hint, hint, and so, I had to go back the next week, as well as a bunch of other people from the university, and one of the people, uh, that we went with, uh, they were friends of ours, and so, we got to Omaha, and I decided I'd take my friend over and show him the dog, and so I got over there, and she said, Oh, that's too bad, the dog has already been sold. And I didn't realize it, but this guy had somehow worked it out so that he got there a little bit earlier, bought the dog, and she was in the back room, and so that night we had a reception for some of the, uh, potential high school students or college students, and, and, uh, he had the dog the whole time in his room, and, and I had no idea. And so we headed back to Carney that night, and the dog rode in the car and we stopped along the way and had a bite to eat and they left the dog in the car, and I guess while we were inside eating, Thumper just tore the heck out of the inside [LAUGHTER] of the car, and, uh, finally we made it back to, uh, to Carney and, |
[speaker001:] hi I'm wondering what what camping means to you
[speaker002:] hi when I think of camping I think of of bugs and sleeping bags and and tents uh like along the Appalachian Trail
[speaker001:] oh very good that's sort of the same thing that that I do I don't think of um trailers and campers and all this stuff
[speaker002:] no
[speaker001:] um do you do much camping
[speaker002:] I have never been camping
[speaker001:] oh you've never been camping oh gee
[speaker002:] no do you do much
[speaker001:] well um yes and no and the uh I haven't done much recently but um up until gee maybe five or six years ago I did a lot of it and you know I've sorry
[speaker002:] really uh where you live now or uh did you camp up in Maryland or
[speaker001:] no um I used to live abroad and so I I camped a lot in um the Middle East and I was able to camp right in ruins which was always very exciting
[speaker002:] oh okay oh I bet
[speaker001:] and a bit exotic for those who love bugs but um and then when I used to come back to the states in summer we'd often go up um to the lake country in New York with my brother's family and and do camping there
[speaker002:] uh-huh oh okay well my cousin uh husband and and his uncle especially uh grew up camping together and uh they they just love it and they're planning a trip uh into Canada this I guess in about a year and they're going to spend about a week and a half camping up there
[speaker001:] and you're not going
[speaker002:] no this is this is a a man's trip so
[speaker001:] oh that's too bad
[speaker002:] so they're really looking forward to that
[speaker001:] oh gee
[speaker002:] so
[speaker001:] I guess it makes a difference I grew up camping being in Girl Scouts and things like that so
[speaker002:] and see I was I was never exposed to it
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker002:] so it's I I feel like I'm a little bit too uh much of a city city mouse to try doing it
[speaker001:] oh that's too bad I think the you know there's certainly a lot of aspects you would like but maybe not the you you know the Canada men's trip but some other you know a nice tent on the the shore of a lake and
[speaker002:] what's the best part about it to to you the the quiet the getting away
[speaker001:] right the and the the no telephone the gee whiz you go to bed when it gets dark and you get up when it gets light
[speaker002:] man
[speaker001:] yeah and um I guess just just the change from the rat race
[speaker002:] now do you usually like do you usually go and there's lots of other people around or is it pretty much much isolated
[speaker001:] no it's uh it's pretty isolated um and to me I like that I guess too although there are people I mean you know it's really hard to get away
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] and I guess when when we did sites in in the Middle East of course it was with a group in order to make it safe
[speaker002:] yes
[speaker001:] but I mean we'd go in different parts of the ruins and and things like that but we didn't even have tents there we just sort of put out the sleeping roll
[speaker002:] oh good grief that that does sound neat but I don't think I I've got a quite enough nerve to do that I know my husband's gone uh for several days on the Appalachian Trail before and he said that you can a lot of times you can go for you know a good day before you'll see or meet anybody else on the trail
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] so it's not for the faint of heart I don't think
[speaker001:] right actually I just joined um the Appalachian Trail Walking Club or whatever they call it what uh and I'm very eager to to start uh I love to walk
[speaker002:] oh uh-huh
[speaker001:] and um I'm going to start with day trips though because I don't know the territory and all and I'm not sure um my son is not eager to go and you know I think that that that might be a little eerie at first going alone
[speaker002:] I think it would be yeah well that sounds really neat
[speaker001:] oh but you know I'm gonna try well gee whiz I hope you get into camping some day just slowly
[speaker002:] well I don't know uh we talk about sometimes going up to Chincoteague
[speaker001:] oh yeah
[speaker002:] and uh I maybe like you said start out slow and and kind of get used to it and find out that it maybe it's not as bad as I I fear it might be
[speaker001:] right I think that you know I guess one time recently we went up to Maine and had planned to camp and you know the only site left when we got there was in the middle of a field and I said gee whiz for twenty dollars we can go down the road and get a a motel which we did and so that you know if the setting was right and that it's it's great but if it's just
[speaker002:] yeah |
[speaker001:] I don't know I grew up uh in the the sixties and at that time uh it was is a changing time for the whole music scene I guess and I grew up with the Beatles and the Rolling Stones and the whole pot culture during that time and went through that phase and kind of stayed with it I guess for several years after I graduated from college and and thereafter but have since uh I grew up in a small town in in southern Oklahoma I have kind of gone back to uh more of a county uh flavor in music um I'm not quite sure why that is and it seems like almost a opposite but I guess I got away from what I consider to be the pot uh sounding music it didn't have what you know guess what I was looking for at the time country tells more of a a story it kind of reminds me of my roots of growing up and I've I've become I guess more of a country fan over the years
[speaker002:] when you say that you grew up uh in the sixties I take it that was the uh teenage type years or uh
[speaker001:] yeah that was my teenage years I was born in fifty and and uh
[speaker002:] okay we we're very similarly aged so we probably have an interesting interesting perspective on the music on the times so I'm just a couple years older than you uh essentially I was one of the nerdy types in high school really which meant that I for one reason or another I didn't pay much attention to music but as I look back now I realize it was very formative for me uh my early popular music interests were in Simon and Garfunkel whom I saw perform when I was in college and I became attached to that style of uh urban urban country if there is such a thing I think with in
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] a way one could talk about Simon and Garfunkel that way because they do tend uh to have a dramatic or story approach to their music uh usually tend to have some sort of good or bad moral to it uh over time I became very interested in in baroque classical and I think that was just through experiencing contacting college and the fact that I found it it very relaxing for me my tastes now run I guess to a upbeat uh Simon
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] it's something that interests me uh combined with with the classical tastes I had mentioned and my classical music tends to be confined to the seventeen hundreds early eighteen hundred music I'm not a music um I'm not particularly schooled in it I know what I like to listen to as far as classical music
[speaker001:] that's kind of the way I am
[speaker002:] and I I spent a good deal of time listening also to uh people from the late seventies really um Neil Diamond for instance Um people of of that particular time I listen to some country and western but I'm not school schooled in it and I I've enjoyed the times when I have listened to it I played a little bit of piano I continue to think that I want to do it and I never have the discipline to stay with it but when I do play uh and and begin to reacquire skills I inevitably fall in love with country western music which tends to be in some ways easy to play for a for a new piano player
[speaker001:] it is it's got uh basically an easy uh rhythm and and tone
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] and it's it's pretty fairly well easily to uh uh something to fall into I'm kind of the say way I I've gone through different periods of life uh in music from pop to classical I guess one of the things was that influenced me was that I I've worked in radio stations as a DJ for all my college years trying to support my way through there and support was support was uh influenced by all different kinds of music but basically because that's where I worked and I've developed a real love for uh classical music in probably junior high and high school because my band instructor was uh heavy into classical type music he said he used to sit on Saturday mornings and watch cartoons just to hear the music uh that they were using behind them because they used especially Disney used a lot of classical music uh behind the cartoons and so consequently we wind up wound up playing a lot of classical music there and I think that uh got deep seated into me one of things I especially like now in music regardless of what kind it is uh are those that call on those classical uh roots I guess uh Barry Manilow comes to mind for some reason there's there's not a whole lot of his stuff that I'm real crazy about but he does have some things Chicago had some things
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] uh and I think even Electric Light Orchestra had some some real um influences by classical music and I'm still still my favorite in fact most of my CDs that I got are classical music
[speaker002:] I find it very interesting that some television shows that I enjoy I particularly like the music I don't know which is chicken and egg in that situation uh a good example would be uh I have connections but but not particularly deep ones to the Vietnamese war type situations uh and I found that I really like China Beach and I particularly like Tour of Duty and both of them I had as much fascination of the background music I think going on as I did to the theme of the shows
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] uh and I I've uh Thirty Something I'm particularly interested but it's the music almost that I find myself listening to
[speaker001:] yeah I'm kind of thinking that's maybe our generation was uh so in tuned to music of that time that we identify goodness or badness with uh things now with the music that's behinds them
[speaker002:] that could well be I I uh spent my junior year uh and sophomore and junior year in in college when I a song by the uh uh I think the title of it was just Downtown uh and if you recall how it goes downtown da dah dah dah
[speaker001:] uh-huh right
[speaker002:] uh all I have to do is hear that song and I get you strongly evoked memories of of difficult times in school being behind on work uh and my family now knows if they come into my study and uh I happen to have had a tough day at work and maybe I'm trying to get a project done uh at school uh and I'm humming or whistling in a sort of mad crazy way the tune to Downtown they know to just stay away
[speaker001:] that's their signal
[speaker002:] they can hear the unconscious music signal behind it that's right
[speaker001:] yeah when did you first take your uh first piano lesson yeah
[speaker002:] uh probably about first grade
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and I have uh returned about every four or five years to thinking that I would like to do something about it I usually get to the point where I can play some of my favorite themes and then inevitably I am swept away by the the pressure of other types of things uh
[speaker001:] yeah it is a time consumer
[speaker002:] it is in order to continue to to grow and I I always think that I'll be able to do it and then I inevitably discover that I have no innate music talent relative to composition and that I struggle and really can't quite understand what is that other people take for granted
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] in composition themes and I keys and things are something to me that remain a mystery no matter how many times I bang on them I have a pretty good mathematical concept for what's involved
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] uh but in a in a innate music sense there just seems to be something missing there which is always frustrating for me since I have pretty high math aptitude and I keep thinking gee I thought that all the math and music people are supposed to go hand in hand but but it doesn't for me
[speaker001:] no it's making that that connection especially with the mechanical parts of it I was never able to to master all that in fact my brother and sister both they were oh thirteen sixteen years older than I they went through the uh parent thing where you've got to practice or you're not going out to play thing and when it came to my turn the folks said no we're not going through that again they sold the piano and is the turns out I was the only one who really had an interest in it and never got to so I that's one of things I felt like I missed in life and I I really in fact uh
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] one of my favorite things to do now is sit down and listen to Chopin that is played on uh piano I just you know I can just drift off into some other world just listening to that for hours if I ever have the time to do that
[speaker002:] oh
[speaker001:] maybe one of these days I'll you know I'm kind of like you maybe one of these days I'll get around to it I'll do something with the piano but probably not
[speaker002:] so we both have a secret background that says somehow or another we just knew we were piano players and never g ot a chance uh
[speaker001:] just never got a chance to come out no
[speaker002:] that's the most fascinating thing
[speaker001:] well it's a pleasure talking with you
[speaker002:] and you sir you take care
[speaker001:] of luck in your graduate school
[speaker002:] okay good-bye
[speaker001:] good-bye |
[speaker001:] okay
[speaker002:] okay
[speaker001:] they suggested that we uh discuss what we think of when we say camping
[speaker002:] yeah what do you where do you like to camp how do you like to camp
[speaker001:] oh I can camp just about most anyway camping or uh motor home is nice uh travel trailer pop up
[speaker002:] I used to uh live in the Ozarks and uh liked to go up there and just take a backpack and strike out into the woods
[speaker001:] oh really oh you really rough it then
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] uh-huh do you do that very often
[speaker002:] I haven't done it in quite awhile since I moved down here But I used to do it
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker002:] quite a bit
[speaker001:] you'd have a lot of hills in that down in that area
[speaker002:] yeah yeah it was real hilly
[speaker001:] yeah that would be really great
[speaker002:] take a twenty two and go out
[speaker001:] pardon
[speaker002:] take a twenty two and find a creek
[speaker001:] uh-huh that sounds like it'd be fun did you go alone or with a group or
[speaker002:] I used to go with my brother we just lived up there
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh-huh oh that's great long as it's not raining
[speaker002:] yeah it gets kind of I we used to have one of those little caves you can go back in
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] get out of the rain
[speaker001:] really oh that would
[speaker002:] but I don't know much about camping in Texas
[speaker001:] uh-huh well I'm in Pennsylvania
[speaker002:] you're in Pennsylvania
[speaker001:] yes
[speaker002:] I didn't know they did this
[speaker001:] are you in Texas now
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] oh okay
[speaker002:] yeah I'm down here at TI
[speaker001:] most everybody I've been talking to is from Texas but uh we're up here in western northwestern part of Pennsylvania
[speaker002:] I used to be in Ohio it's some pretty country up there
[speaker001:] uh-huh well you kind of know what it's like then
[speaker002:] so
[speaker001:] yeah but we've uh we've done uh many types of camping we've we've done tent camping and we had access to a motor home which is really super great if you don't want to rough it too much
[speaker002:] yeah you can get the
[speaker001:] and uh
[speaker002:] they have some nice camping grounds you know that have the water piped out
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker002:] just set it up and get out of get out of the city for awhile
[speaker001:] right just get you away from the everyday things that are going on we when the children were smaller we used to go to uh Delaware along the ocean ocean most every year and that was fun we stayed mostly in state parks and uh we really enjoyed that
[speaker002:] tell you what I'm losing you
[speaker001:] huh
[speaker002:] I said I'm losing you you're getting fade you're fading out
[speaker001:] oh maybe my dropping my phone is that better
[speaker002:] yeah that's
[speaker001:] oh but
[speaker002:] so what you try take a vacation every year and go out and camp
[speaker001:] yeah well we used to we don't as much anymore but uh we used to we kind of slowed down a little bit but uh I think the worst the worst thing is when it's raining if you get a rainy season and you happen to be camping
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] then it can be kind of bad
[speaker002:] I know the rain bring out the snakes or used to bring them out in the Ozarks
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] that's kind of kind of rough when you got to fight snakes off when your sleeping
[speaker001:] I don't think I would like that what kind
[speaker002:] uh Copperheads mostly
[speaker001:] oh those aren't too pleasant
[speaker002:] no they're
[speaker001:] yeah we have some of them around here you probably have more there though I would imagine
[speaker002:] yeah one year they were they were just everywhere I don't know what it was we had a real rainy spring and then it was all year there was
[speaker001:] oh uh-huh
[speaker002:] just Copperheads everywhere
[speaker001:] uh-huh but you still backpacked and camped out
[speaker002:] yeah well I lived down in down in the bottom of a big hollow and we had to pretty much hike out most of the time
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] if it rained we were stuck back in there had a four wheel drive so we could
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker002:] you just get used to it
[speaker001:] yeah I guess you know enough to look where you're walking or sitting or whatever you're doing yeah
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] yeah I would think I would think a cave would be could have problems like that too
[speaker002:] yeah this cave that we used to go in was little it was small it was more
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] yeah it was just big enough for a couple of people to sack out
[speaker001:] uh-huh is your brother younger than you or
[speaker002:] yeah he's about a year and a half younger
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh-huh well that's great that'd be a lot of fun you have a lot good experiences from that yeah
[speaker002:] yeah yeah it was saw a few bears
[speaker001:] did you really
[speaker002:] things like that
[speaker001:] what black ones
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] yeah that would be exciting
[speaker002:] yeah the first first couple of times it's pretty scary but uh after that you realize they are just as afraid of you too so
[speaker001:] yeah yeah they're usually more afraid of you than uh you are of them usually
[speaker002:] but
[speaker001:] they're on the increase in this area
[speaker002:] oh really
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] I don't know if they don't have them up there do they
[speaker001:] the black bear oh yeah yeah the population's been really really up they've uh
[speaker002:] yeah oh do they
[speaker001:] they've had longer hunting seasons than that up here even to get rid of more of them because they were uh increasing so much
[speaker002:] yeah they down here they they stopped for awhile or they really made it hard to hunt them I don't know what it's like now I haven't been back up there in awhile
[speaker001:] uh-huh yeah but uh we we really like camping I I must say that uh we have we really have a lot of fun a lot of memories in that from camping and uh
[speaker002:] well it's good to get out and smell some fresh air too
[speaker001:] yeah yeah
[speaker002:] so
[speaker001:] it's just so it's a lot of work too it's uh getting you know getting ready and taking care of everything but it's um
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] it's really refreshing so
[speaker002:] well I think we're about to run out of our time
[speaker001:] I think so well it was really good hearing from you and I hope you get back into camping again and do a little more of it
[speaker002:] yeah yeah I'm sure I will
[speaker001:] okay thanks a lot and you have a good day okay bye-bye
[speaker002:] you too bye |
[speaker001:] Okay, do you have any pets?
[speaker002:] Yeah, I have three cats and a dog.
[speaker001:] Oh, boy. Sound like us, we have,
[speaker002:] Um,
[speaker001:] go ahead.
[speaker002:] Um, we just got the, the dog less than a year ago so, he's still a puppy.
[speaker001:] Oh, what kind is it?
[speaker002:] He's a mixed breed, he's part Collie, part Shepherd, and part Chow.
[speaker001:] Oh, so you,
[speaker002:] More Collie and Shepherd than Chow, the only Chow he's got is, is his tongue.
[speaker001:] Oh, he's got a blue tongue?
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Oh.
[speaker002:] He's got little spots on them.
[speaker001:] We have two Chows and, [throat clearing], a miniature Schnauzer, and recently added, a guinea pig, [LAUGHTER], which wasn't by my choice, but I was out ruled, so, [throat clearing], but the dogs are mainly mine and my husb-, but I just love them to death.
[speaker002:] Was the guinea pig for your,
[speaker001:] Daughter, yes.
[speaker002:] for your child?
[speaker001:] Yes, as if the dogs weren't enough, had to have, [throat clearing] a guinea pig, so, anyway she's, she enjoys her though, so that's, that's what matters. But, um, our Chows, we've had them, I'd say, right around six maybe seven years and,
[speaker002:] Really?
[speaker001:] they're, um, registered and we've been breeding them. She's had about four or five litters.
[speaker002:] Oh, my, my husband's always wanted a Chow but I'm kind of concerned about, um, with having cats,
[speaker001:] Oh.
[speaker002:] and how, how they socialize with cats. Um, which is one of the reasons why we got a mixed breed.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] Um, because we thought they would socialize easier,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] um, my husband had originally wanted an and his brother has an and he, so far he's bitten ten people.
[speaker001:] Oh, man.
[speaker002:] So,
[speaker001:] Goodness.
[speaker002:] And the people that he got the from, used to have cats and they no longer have any other cats.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] So,
[speaker001:] It's telling, um, you know when we had, um, we had a cat when we first married, no, took, yeah, we had the cat first, and then we got, uh, the Chow. And, [throat clearing], bring, um, bringing them in as puppies they got along just fabulous with her.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And, uh, you would think, you know, that they were all dogs the way she would prance around them and, and paw at their face and they'd just play and they were never, they never harmed her. So, uh, they got along great, now I don't know how, how it would be bringing in, uh, like cat to a full, full grown dog.
[speaker002:] Yeah, I wouldn't want to bring a cat into a full grown dog,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] but I, I wouldn't feel, um, hesitant about bringing a puppy in,
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] to adult cats, I think they would socialize easier.
[speaker001:] I think, so, too.
[speaker002:] Um, how, how old is your child?
[speaker001:] Five [very faint].
[speaker002:] Five?
[speaker001:] She's a real.
[speaker002:] So, you had the dogs before you had the baby?
[speaker001:] Right. And I was, [throat clearing], not really concerned about, um, them harming her, uh, I think, I think a lot of that, that, that we hear all the time is how you bring them up.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And ours are real friendly, they're protective, but they're very friendly, and lovable,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] I mean, you think they're lapdogs. You know, they'll just come jump on your lap and want to be, have their bellies rubbed and everything [throat clearing] and,
[speaker002:] What color are they?
[speaker001:] Uh, the female's red and the male is black.
[speaker002:] Oh, I bet the black one's pretty.
[speaker001:] Yeah, he is, he's a big old thing. And, um, I was concerned about the female mainly, and as luck had it, uh, she had puppies the same week my daughter was born, so, it was kind of like, she had her babies and understood about, you know,
[speaker002:] About your baby.
[speaker001:] yeah, and that, yeah, I think that really helped and, um, my daughter, you know, since, since she's little has been playing with them and they let her tug their hair and, and get on their back or whatever and she's, she's grown up with them and loves them to death and they love her, so.
[speaker002:] Yeah, I think it's good for kids to grow up around pets,
[speaker001:] I do, too.
[speaker002:] as, as long as they don't have any allergies to them or anything.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] But I think it really helps them to understand when, when they go to other people's houses and they have pets, I see so many times kids just, you know, they, mean to animals not really understanding that the animals have feelings.
[speaker001:] Yeah, exactly, that or, or, uh, the other extreme, they're, they're terrified of them and I hate that,
[speaker002:] Yeah, Yeah.
[speaker001:] and they shouldn't be, I mean, some maybe but, but, um, like our miniature Schnauzer, she's just, she's just like, um, a little hyper thing and just prances around and jumps all over everybody acting silly, and a lot of kids are scared of that. And which I understand because she is, you know, a lot of movement and everything but when she calms down they're so scared of her it's,
[speaker002:] Huh.
[speaker001:] it, that bothers me because she's the friendliest thing, she wouldn't hi-, you know, harm them at all and, and, and that's mainly people that have never had pets around their children, so, I think, I think it's a good idea to have them. We've had, um, in the past, we've had birds, too, uh, like Cockatoos.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And parrots and,
[speaker002:] Now, ar-, the, the Cockatoos, are those the big ones?
[speaker001:] The big white,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] birds with the, the orange crest on top.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] We've had those, and those are neat, they're messy, very messy,
[speaker002:] Are they?
[speaker001:] yeah, [LAUGHTER], and loud. Oh, a lot louder than a dog, you know, a dog you can tell, stop barking, you know, or whatever.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] But the birds, you, it's hard to keep them from squawking or whatever but, but they were neat, enjoyable animals to have.
[speaker002:] Well, we've thought about getting an aquarium,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] partly, be-, partly for the cats, I think the cats would really enjoy it, um,
[speaker001:] Yeah, with a lid, [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] yeah, yeah, of course, [LAUGHTER], um, but so far we just and starting up an aqu-, an aquarium, we, we're, thinking about getting a saltwater,
[speaker001:] Oh, yeah they,
[speaker002:] and they're so, expensive to start up.
[speaker001:] Yes, yes, they are, and in your, the luck of keeping them alive,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] through those first,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] you know, few days.
[speaker002:] The, the saltwater fish have so much more color and they're so, much more beautiful,
[speaker001:] I know they are.
[speaker002:] Um, the freshwater tank's just, really to me they'll, there's, most of them really aren't that pretty,
[speaker001:] [Throat clearing] no.
[speaker002:] you know, I really do-, I really don't care much for them.
[speaker001:] Right, I don't blame you there, I think the saltwater are a lot more attractive than, I don't know, those fish are just beautiful. Just so, like you have a little bit of ocean with you or something [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Yeah, Yeah.
[speaker001:] Rather than just little fish. But I don't mind having, Wren my daughter had a, like a little goldfish,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] a about a year or two ago and it finally died and that was neat, but the-, and they're, you know, she can't play with it, you can just look at it.
[speaker002:] Yeah, yeah.
[speaker001:] You know, you can't roll around and tussle around with it like you can a dog or a cat and,
[speaker002:] Yeah, I wouldn't, I wouldn't dare have a, a goldfish here because,
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] it would probably be in a small bowl and then my cats would knock it over.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] I have to be real careful about where I put things,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] if the cats will, will jump up on things and knock things over all the time,
[speaker001:] Oh, no. Oh, no.
[speaker002:] They're always up where they don't, where they're not supposed to be.
[speaker001:] [Throat clearing] Yes, yeah, and that's hard.
[speaker002:] that's just like kids, you know, yo-, they know that they're not supposed to do it, but they're going to do it anyway because they know they're not supposed to.
[speaker001:] That's right and they're so, independent. I love having them for that reason.
[speaker002:] Yeah, yeah, and until we got the dog, um, it was real easy to, to go to town for three d-, three day weekend or whatever,
[speaker001:] Sure.
[speaker002:] and now,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] it's like a major production,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] trying to find somebody to take care of the dog while you're gone.
[speaker001:] That's right, that is hard.
[speaker002:] And, I, we knew it, but we never even thought that about when we got the dog we just saw him, oh, he's so, cute,
[speaker001:] Oh.
[speaker002:] let's take him home.
[speaker001:] Yes.
[speaker002:] You know, and then the first weekend we had him we had, we were in a apartment, in a two bedroom apartment,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and my husband went out of town, and left me with, with the brand new puppy,
[speaker001:] Oh, fun.
[speaker002:] and I had to work twelve hours that day,
[speaker001:] Oh, no.
[speaker002:] and so, I left the dog locked in the bedroom and I put paper all over the floor. Well, when I came home, I opened the door and there were chunks of carpet,
[speaker001:] Oh.
[speaker002:] padding everything,
[speaker001:] Oh, no.
[speaker002:] all over the place and he had tried to dig his way out from underneath the door,
[speaker001:] Oh, no. I guess you didn't get your deposit back, did you?
[speaker002:] Well, I had the carpet fixed,
[speaker001:] Oh, good.
[speaker002:] um, I, yeah, I didn't even tell the apartment manager,
[speaker001:] Oh, okay.
[speaker002:] who got it.
[speaker001:] [Throat clearing] Oh, no. Bless your heart.
[speaker002:] But that, that was my first real experience with, with a puppy when, when we had our family dog growing up I was eleven or twelve, I think, when we first got him,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and I wasn't really involved in the, the paper training,
[speaker001:] Sure. Yeah.
[speaker002:] and, you know, teaching him commands and stuff so, this was, and to me, a whole new experience.
[speaker001:] Yes it is.
[speaker002:] Only it wasn't like cats at all.
[speaker001:] No, no. I wish it was. I wish they were in that instinct. But they don't.
[speaker002:] So,
[speaker001:] Our only problem with our Schnauzer, she's an indoor dog [throat clearing],
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] most of the time [LAUGHTER], and, uh, we found, she's right at a year and we finally got her, you know, house trained and everything, uh, her only problem is trash. If you do not pick the trash up, you know, the container,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and put it on a table or chair or something, she'll knock it over, I don't care how fu-, full she is, so, it's not like she's hungry, it's just she wants to get into trouble.
[speaker002:] My cats do that it. If I through anything away that's any kind of meat or anything,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] like that, anything that, that they think is good, they'll get into the trash,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] and then it doesn't matter where you put it and where you hide it,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] and how, how tight you have the lid down on it,
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] they'll get into it. I've come home many a days from work to find trash all over the kitchen floor.
[speaker001:] Oh, I hate that.
[speaker002:] And the cat's just looking at me like, sorry.
[speaker001:] Yeah, you shouldn't have left it there.
[speaker002:] I couldn't help myself.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] I just hate that when she does that, I just, oh, and she knows it's wrong, you'll walk in the door and she'll cower and go hide under the table.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] So, you, she knows she does wrong. But she, uh, she continues to do it, so.
[speaker002:] Yeah, the problem that we're having with our puppy right now he's not he's actually not really a puppy anymore he's like sixteen months old,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] um, but he's still chewing.
[speaker001:] Oh, is he?
[speaker002:] Um, the last thing he chewed up was, uh, when we... |
[speaker001:] Real excited when I heard this. So far I've been trying to call all day because [LAUGHTER] I keep getting these subjects like capital punishment so
[speaker002:] Oh, yes.
[speaker001:] football, I love this. This is great. Well, we're from Colorado so we're Bronco fans [baby crying]. And, um, we just moved here two years ago and they went to the Superbowl when we first moved here and they lost again. That was pretty pitiful, but they seem to be doing pretty good this year.
[speaker002:] Well, I was from Illinois originally, and I grew up a Bear fan. And, uh, then we moved here even when we knew we were being transferred here we became Cowboy fans.
[speaker001:] Oh.
[speaker002:] And we had some wonderful, wonderful years there under Roger Staubach.
[speaker001:] [Baby crying].
[speaker002:] And we kind of got spoiled.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] We expected it to continue forever. I think they're doing pretty well this year though.
[speaker001:] Well, they haven't, they haven't, have they just lost one game this year?
[speaker002:] I think two.
[speaker001:] Two.
[speaker002:] I know they lost, yeah, to Washington and Philadelphia.
[speaker001:] Yeah. But they're not doing bad. People are pretty surprised that they, I mean they beat the Giants.
[speaker002:] Yeah, and wasn't that fun. I went to the balloon festival in Plano and carried my little portable radio with me,
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] and I must say I attracted a lot of attention.
[speaker001:] I bet [LAUGHTER] [baby crying].
[speaker002:] People running up saying, oh, what's the score, what's the score?
[speaker001:] Oh, boy, I bet all the men that got direct down there were just right on it [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] That's right and that's exactly what they said, [trying to sound like a man] my wife dragged me away from the television.
[speaker001:] Yep.
[speaker002:] You know, but I wasn't, I had forgotten or I probably wouldn't have been there.
[speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah, well, I am, I'm a big football fan. I never wou-, my father was a football fan my whole life and he used to have the football pool at the office and all this stuff and I just hated it. And I think I was just mad because he spent so much time watching football on Sundays.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] And, uh, so when I met my husband, he was watching football and I figured out that I couldn't see him all weekend. I couldn't see him until like Tuesday because MONDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL, if I didn't,
[speaker002:] [Noise].
[speaker001:] like football. So,
[speaker002:] That's exactly where both of the wives [NOISE] came from I think.
[speaker001:] Yep.
[speaker002:] It was, uh, you know, it's easier to join them than fight them.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh, uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And if you want to see them, you might just as well enjoy football.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] And I used to tease my husband sometimes and say, my gosh yo-, did you bet the house or something this week to get so excited [LAUGHTER] about,
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] these games.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh. Well, I do. I just, I love it. It's such, I just think it's such a fun sport. And, uh, I'm just hoping that the Broncos can get back on their feet. We're not convinced that we're going to be Cowboy fans yet. But, uh,
[speaker002:] Well, it takes a little brainwashing first.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] Well, I guess we'll first have to get to used to the idea that we're staying here [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] That's even harder. But,
[speaker002:] Are you, uh, transit usually? I mean do you stay not in one place too long?
[speaker001:] No, we're just, this is only the second place we've lived. We've only been married for five and a half years. And, uh, we have two small children, and he had a, uh, just got transferred here to E-Systems, [lipsmack] so.
[speaker002:] Well, it will take you a little while but you'll probably always have a soft spot in your heart though for
[speaker001:] Oh.
[speaker002:] for Denver.
[speaker001:] Well, I tell you this, the weather here and there's no mountains or anything, you know, and when you go to a football game in Colorado that's, you know, there's snow and it's an adventure [LAUGHTER]. And here, yeah
[speaker002:] Oh, I know.
[speaker001:] you've just got to drive down [LAUGHTER] to the, to the stadium and, uh,
[speaker002:] Well, if they close it in, see, we'll have the best of both worlds then
[speaker001:] Yes.
[speaker002:] as they're talking about doing. But, uh, Dan Reeves is a pretty neat guy anyway.
[speaker001:] Well, he's from here.
[speaker002:] Yeah, that's right, you know
[speaker001:] So,
[speaker002:] he was one of ours, one of our boys.
[speaker001:] Yeah [LAUGHTER]. That's what I hear.
[speaker002:] So we are never, we never cheer against Denver unless they're playing the Cowboys.
[speaker001:] Which is rare.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Which is good. Yeah. But, uh, I, you know, it's funny in, in Colorado when the Broncos went to the Superbowl three times in the last, I don't know, five [barking] or six years whatever it's been. Um, they have these songs on the radio. They take moder-, popular songs and, and change them to fit, uh, the Broncos and stuff.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And they had, I was just thinking about one the other day. Uh, if I saw a picture of John Elway in the, in the cafeteria at school, um, but they did the Johnny Angel. They did Johnny Elway to that.
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER] Johnny Elway.
[speaker001:] And, and I was trying to get my son to sing that. My husband was just having a fit [trying to sound like her husband] don't have him sing that song [LAUGHTER]. But, they, they do a lot of fun things. I think football is, football is kind of a, a sport that I think you kind of, it's hard not to like it. Because you know there's just,
[speaker002:] Well, there is so much about it
[speaker001:] It's exciting.
[speaker002:] to like. You know
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] it's so exciting. And when the Cowboys won the Superbowl here, of course, they put together some real cute songs, and we all ran out and bought the records, and now we feel like they're kind of a collector's item.
[speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah, they probabl-, I, I wish I would have bought the tape when I was in, uh, Te-, in Colorado. Because, uh, I, I think about that a lot. But, you know, when I first moved here was when they, well, no, I guess it was about a year ago they did this. This interstate seventy-five song.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] Or whatever it was about Central Expressway and getting it done in nineteen ninety-five and everything. That was kind of a funny song but they sure do, it seems to me like they really love their Cowboys here. Even when they were losing pitifully, you know, people still support them. We drive by some houses everyday that have big signs, we love the Cowbo-, |
[speaker001:] well I really enjoy reading the newspaper we get the daily and Dallas Morning News and I try to look at it if I get busy I don't get a chance to pick it up like this week I noticed several copies have been untouched haven't been touched but uh
[speaker002:] well do you have time to read the paper in the morning
[speaker001:] well not in the morning but um if the well I have two son children and if they uh go out to play or something I like to keep my eye on them so I'll you know maybe go outside and read the paper while they're playing or sit in a chair by the window or something
[speaker002:] you know a lot a lot of people don't take newspapers at all we we took the Morning News for a while and then uh well we've been taking the Times Herald for ages and then
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] uh dog just ran off with my shoe that's off the subject went outside picked it up and ran off anyway um and then we switched the Morning News but we found we couldn't read enough of it and by the time I got home and had time to to read some but but I guess the the issue is uh beside the newspaper do you take any news magazines
[speaker001:] well we I don't take like Time or Newsweek or anything like that but I do like to watch um CNN I have several chores and things to do so it comes on at like the nine o'clock PM and so I will turn that on while I'm doing some work and I can hear the news not have to sit right down and listen to it
[speaker002:] did did you did you hear what Schwartzkopf had to say about uh Pete Arnett and uh the the news coverage
[speaker001:] well he didn't have too good of opinion of it no I mean yes I did hear that and so um I do try to keep that in mind that whenever you're reading a paper it usually has a particular flavor
[speaker002:] well any you know Time magazine and even the news that sometimes that that's why I like some diversity the idea that I we have Time which which we we take from time to time and we the problem is they call up and make this deal you know and well we're taking that and and we also hit the Garland
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] Garland Daily News I guess it's it comes out sporadically like twice a week or something but I think what's interesting is that if you're that there uh this
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] as difficult as he is or as as much as they try they put some bias I had the chance to hear Tracy Rowlett speak to a group and it was interesting that they think that they're basically impartial
[speaker001:] hum
[speaker002:] and that but and and you know people accuse them of controlling the news he says you know we don't control the news we just report it the way we the way it is and
[speaker001:] uh-huh well I wouldn't think that I would really say that that's not true because um it seems like certain newspapers always espouse certain candidates
[speaker002:] yes
[speaker001:] and so um news stations always tell the story from a certain angle and that's why it's a good idea to get a wide variety of coverage so that you get a lot of different opinions you may never get the truth but you'll have a variety to choose from
[speaker002:] yes and I I thought that was particularly interesting in the the Gulf War that there were pieces of information that that were apparently uh leaked just as a as as uh a a ploy which was um I I find that fascinating that uh
[speaker001:] um-hum yeah I do too do you ever listen to the radio or any
[speaker002:] I listen to KRLD and uh KLIF the news talk radio and I actually listen to CNN radio do you know it was on radio now
[speaker001:] um-hum no I don't
[speaker002:] it's on eleven ninety
[speaker001:] hum I really um have gotten out of the habit of listening to the radio from any kind of even music and um
[speaker002:] well when I go to work I listen
[speaker001:] yeah my husband does and it's how come he usually calls me sometimes and says oh I just heard on the news that such and such happened you know if it's something really interesting and and then I'll know to
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] to keep an eye out for it but I've got out of the habit of listening to the radio
[speaker002:] well with with your you know if you're around the home though and and and can watch TV and read the paper the problem is is that about twenty minutes of news radio or thirty minutes is and then they start repeating everything
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and and so it's kind of a oh that's what's interesting is the CNN uh I don't think I'm trying to think if it's much local I listen to a little of that and I listen to a little of ninety point one I I'm I'm inveterate switcher
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] that ninety eight point seven I'm I'm eclectic approach
[speaker001:] do you have a particular local channel that you watch on television
[speaker002:] well I watch channel five but that has to be that's another bias that has to do with the weather reporting I'm not sure that actually I think channel eight is probably but I know Dave Fox he goes to our church so
[speaker001:] um-hum um well I am we're fairly new to the area and so we're still shopping for a favorite channel
[speaker002:] well the channel eight when they came here thirteen fourteen years ago Dave Fox and Tracy Rowlett came together uh from Oklahoma City and apparently channel eight was way down and now they have turned it all around and done a pretty remarkable job and then
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] they've been some people move around and uh John Chriswell is anyway the I I don't know do you do you do you seem to can you tell much difference between the local radio TV stations
[speaker001:] well I really think so I noticed on channel eight that there's all of the um anchors are seem to be like White Anglo Saxon Protestant type people and they all seem to be you know fairly similar and I kind of prefer a you know some females I don't recall that they have any female anchors and I like different I like the anchors to be different kinds of people
[speaker002:] I think that adds to the diversity I think that uh I like that uh there I know you know John Wylie Price I don't know if you kept up but he's been protesting that
[speaker001:] um-hum yes I have and um I prefer you know to have a little bit of variety like that because I think you're more more likely to get
[speaker002:] yeah and I think he has legitimate argument I mean you can uh I I I grew up in Alabama and so I I have some prejudices
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] but I think that I think that that from a a justice standpoint because we have the option of not watching that station uh I'm not sure I I'm
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] totally in favor of affirmative action in some of the programs but I think that uh in some cases there there should be some real opportunity and and some diversity and
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and this kind of thing and I think that Dallas it turns out though from what I understand has quite good I occasionally go to Saint Louis and uh there for a few days and watch the news and and I think Dallas really does have
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] have quite good news I think channel eight is the number one uh ABC affiliate in the US I think Tracy Rowlett was saying that he course he pumping his own
[speaker001:] oh really well we you know like all of the stations seem to be pretty good it's just we haven't found one that we've snuggled into Houston so we had a
[speaker002:] where'd you move from
[speaker001:] a favorite or I did have a favorite channel that I usually tuned into for local news I guess because you get use to you like the anchors and you feel comfortable with them and
[speaker002:] yeah it is interesting though it becomes a little of personality in fact the the guy that was on the weatherman on channel eight worked for me oh long time ago twenty years or so even longer than that twenty one twenty three years ago or so
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] twenty four anyway long time ago and and shortly after I got we got here fourteen years ago and uh they had they had fired him uh because he was too anyway didn't he didn't have the personality and wasn't drawing the crowds and that's interesting is that's that's what the TV stations do they're trying to get ratings
[speaker001:] um-hum that's true their job
[speaker002:] and I think if we remember that that they're out after the ratings
[speaker001:] that's true so that really effects how they report the news
[speaker002:] and some well it's like the the Dale Hansen on channel eight little is a sometimes a little too cutesy but I wonder if we're coming up on ten minutes have you talked have you been on the conversation when they beeped you at ten minutes
[speaker001:] with is he the sports yes I guess it is time to close now so I can run go help put the kids to bed but I have yes it's nice bye-bye
[speaker002:] okay well good talking to you good night |
[speaker001:] feel about um the Russian situation right now
[speaker002:] well I am more uh more scared than than ever actually by it because it to me if you look at the uh situation in the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe it closely parallels the situation around the turn of the century with the fall of the Ottoman empire
[speaker001:] um-hum um it is very unstable right now
[speaker002:] yeah and there's a the huge power vacuum and no one to control the local economies over there the inner uh trade between those republics and the satellites uh or what used to be the satellites of the Soviet Union and I'm afraid that it's just going to gonna have regional
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] infighting just like there was before World War One and we're going to be stuck in another war
[speaker001:] yeah I'm it's really scary because I you know I I had a conversation or I heard it over a conversation that they had with Gorbachev on the news
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] stating that he needs to get you know like a United States set up over there because they're not gonna make the winter without the food and the electricity
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] and if they don't if if people don't have food and electricity they're gonna go after it somehow and they're and they're gonna fight it out instead of doing it calmly like he's trying to have done now
[speaker002:] sure right
[speaker001:] um I went over to the Soviet Union uh about three years ago
[speaker002:] oh really
[speaker001:] and it was very sad they it the economy over there is very poor um
[speaker002:] yeah and it's worse now
[speaker001:] oh yeah and when we went over there we were not allowed you know off this bus or you know into the you know onto the streets or anything like that well when I went I did anyway and I got out and um
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] um you know yeah I know it we barely got back but um
[speaker002:] rebel you
[speaker001:] we went into the black market where kids our age were you know I'm twenty three
[speaker002:] uh-huh yeah
[speaker001:] and we went down there and these kids wanted anything that was made that was American Lee jeans your coats your shoes anything that you brought with you and they'd give you things
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] because they wanted these clothes and they looked just like we did because they would ask for these clothes and stuff so after you came out it was very sad people were in the real drab clothing and whenever you bought something you'd have to go through four or five lines to get it
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] and it was you know really sad to see that but um yeah it it's something else over there everything's breaking down when we the motel we stayed in you know you could only stay in American hotels
[speaker002:] sure
[speaker001:] and uh um the we didn't have water for four days and when we did get it it looked like apple juice it was awful and and you know to see how they live over there
[speaker002:] oh God hey wait a minute the water comes out here it it looks like that too
[speaker001:] right and it was just real sad to see it that way but um you know like our tour guide was a sixteen year old girl um she was married and living with her parents and you know they live in the apartment buildings around there
[speaker002:] uh-huh jeez
[speaker001:] and because she got the job because she could speak English
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] so she got to be a tour guide and it was really bizarre because um she couldn't shave her legs or anything and they couldn't get razors and so um she asked for us to go into the American shop and buy her razors so that she could do that and it was just something else to see
[speaker002:] the wonders of Western culture get to shave your legs
[speaker001:] yeah you know yeah and and well you know and you know everywhere I went over there it was it was like that but she wanted to do that and and so did every you know all the kids that were our age were you know wanting to be more like that and so it's really scary because there's gonna be something something's gonna have to happen
[speaker002:] uh-huh so you did this one year in college where'd you go to school
[speaker001:] yeah yeah I did um Northern State in Aberdeen South Dakota
[speaker002:] South Dakota no I'm an officer in the Air Force at uh Griffis Air Force Base
[speaker001:] yeah oh okay
[speaker002:] yeah so I'm I'm just a lieutenant I'm only twenty four so I'm it's interesting hearing from someone
[speaker001:] okay
[speaker002:] of my perspective I always think that my view is always so much older and uh more conservative but uh
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker002:] I don't know I've maybe done older spent a little more time learning from history than the average armchair uh
[speaker001:] uh-huh right listening to the TV type of thing um-hum
[speaker002:] yeah yeah and everybody's jumping up and down praising all this and you you know it great
[speaker001:] they don't understand what's gonna happen
[speaker002:] yeah you know there's I think there's only one thing that's worse than the Communist government and that's no government
[speaker001:] that's right and on right now they're bordering on that because there's nothing there
[speaker002:] yeah there there really are
[speaker001:] you know you've got two leaders one thinks he's doing it and one Gorbachev thinks he's you know got it and you know Yeltsin's got half and and the KGB is supposedly gone but um
[speaker002:] well I don't think uh uh I don't think you can rule out anything like that
[speaker001:] no you can't you can't they're to they were too powerful for too long
[speaker002:] and especially when when it gets to the point where things are really desperate then uh then the military becomes a threat as well
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] and uh
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] you know there the military still has a lot of power
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and somebody has to control all those nuclear weapons it's not even the the situation isn't even is so much |
[speaker001:] Well what kind of car, uh, are you thinking of buying next?
[speaker002:] Uh, more than likely, it's going to be a Chrysler.
[speaker001:] You like the Chrysler products, do you?
[speaker002:] Uh, Chrysler LeBaron, yeah. It won't be a Ford. I've got a Ford Mustang now, and I hate it.
[speaker001:] Do you really?
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER] Yeah.
[speaker001:] What year is it?
[speaker002:] It's a eighty-eight.
[speaker001:] And why don't you like the Mustang?
[speaker002:] It's, um, I've had one problem with it after the other.
[speaker001:] I'll be darned.
[speaker002:] The pa-, the paints peeling off of it, and there's no reason for it, you know. * Should end in a slash, not continue over to B.14, which is a response to A.13.
[speaker001:] Well, you know the old sayings about Fords, what they stand for.
[speaker002:] Fix or repair daily * Should be an indep slash unitis an answer to A.13 and not related to B.12 utt2
[speaker001:] There you go.
[speaker002:] or find them re-, road dead.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] Well, uh.
[speaker002:] That, uh, I, uh, it's, my electrical system shorted out like two or three times, and it's been torn up since April, and I, and luckily, everything was under warranty, so it's only costing like a hundred and forty dollars to get it fixed. It would have been like two thousand [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Well, we've always, uh, we've always had Oldsmobiles, and, uh, been very, uh, happy with Oldsmobiles, but, uh, my wife thought she wanted to get a Ford Mustang and then she kind of changed her mind and thinks her next car ought to be one of those, uh, Mitsubishi Eclipses. She real-,
[speaker002:] Those, those are nice cars.
[speaker001:] She likes, uh, likes those. She has a sister that lives in, uh, Phoenix that has one and, uh, really, uh, enjoys it. Well, what, uh, what things do you consider when you buy a car?
[speaker002:] Um, the gas mileage for one thing, and I've, I've, I've always had like stick shift. I want to, the next car I get I want it to be automatic.
[speaker001:] I see.
[speaker002:] I, uh, I, I hate driving anyway, and then, and changing gears at stop lights and stuff is really getting on my nerves now.
[speaker001:] Yeah, especially when you're in high traffic areas
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] and have to mess with that all the time.
[speaker002:] And, you know, when you work nine to five, or eight to five, and you're in rush hour traffic to and from work, unfortunately.
[speaker001:] That makes it very frustrating.
[speaker002:] And I look, and one of the things with Chrysler right now is, is their, the warranties that they have, and I, I feel like their, everybody I've talked to that owns one, has, has, has been real pleased with it, and I like the, the driver's air bag, I like that.
[speaker001:] Now this is a LeBaron?
[speaker002:] Uh, yeah, well all Chrysler products has it in there, but LeBaron would be the next car I get, yeah.
[speaker001:] I sure like the, uh, convertible, those rag top LeBarons, they really look sporty.
[speaker002:] Yeah, yeah, I like, I like that too, huh, but, uh, I, I couldn't afford the insurance on one of those [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] Well, uh, we always, this last Oldsmobile we bought, uh, it's an eighty-seven, but we bought it in eighty-eight, you know, right at the end of the year when they were trying to get rid of them
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] and, uh, we found that, uh, we found a real good interest rate, you know, when they're trying to get rid of those cars at the end of the year like that, they really come down on their prices and, uh, uh, you know, we looked around at used cars, and we really couldn't, uh, afford the payments on a used car, because, uh, if you go to the bank and try to get a loan, they want to charge twelve, thirteen percent, you know, and we ended up, I think, with like a four and a half percent interest rate on a brand new car, and the payments.
[speaker002:] Well, that's what I'm paying on mine now. I had to get like a first time, my dad's always cosigned on, on my, my loans, or whatever, and this is one, when I bought, I got my Mustang this time was by myself, because I got on my own, or whatever, and, um, I had said, they, they said it had to be like a first time buyer's car or whatever, and they're charging me unreasonable interest, but [inhaling] I've got eight more payments and it's paid for.
[speaker001:] Well, that's great.
[speaker002:] But I got it when, I got it when the eighty-eights first came out, it's a, it's, it's a good car, I mean, I got in eighty-seven, I guess, in like November or something like that, and.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh. Well, when our kids were younger we really wanted a two door. Our first car was an Oldsmobile back in seventy-seven. It was a two door Cutlass Supreme, and, uh, it just happened that when we looked for our, our new car, they had a thing going with Oldsmobile and if you'd buy a, a new Oldsmobile they'd give you four hundred rebate, because it was their seventy-fifth anniversary.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] I belie-, yeah seventy-fifth anniversary. So in addition to everything else we got off the car, all we had to do is show them our, uh, papers on our first car, and they gave us another four hundred dollars off on it. So we, we got a four door this time, and I sort of went more for the, uh, the comfort factor, and, uh, I liked the smaller cars, but I'm a bigger person, and I, I really like comfort, you know, driving along the road and stuff.
[speaker002:] Well, that's another big factor of mine. Next, next car I get's going to be a four door too. Something with some room.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] Because I, uh, my Mustang is, is, is two door with bucket seats, and you buy groceries and stuff like that.
[speaker001:] And if you try to take anybody, you know, go to the show or go out for supper, and you go as a foursome, |
[speaker001:] uh I guess being here in Dallas are you familiar with the Rangers
[speaker002:] uh somewhat they're not my favorite team I am uh somewhat familiar with them
[speaker001:] okay I see what team do you follow
[speaker002:] I follow the Milwaukee Brewers mostly
[speaker001:] I see
[speaker002:] basically because because that's where I came from and uh grew up following them as a kid
[speaker001:] okay okay that's interesting I guess really though I'm a native Texan so that really the about the only team I've ever uh followed has been the Rangers
[speaker002:] okay
[speaker001:] and uh uh what do you think Milwaukee's going to do this year
[speaker002:] well uh I don't think they're going to challenge for the lead in the east
[speaker001:] is that right
[speaker002:] uh they they've got a lot of uh rebuilding to do they traded for a lot of new players uh in the off season and it looks like it might help them but uh I think this is going to be a year for pulling together and looking for the future
[speaker001:] sort of a building season season yeah
[speaker002:] yeah uh-huh
[speaker001:] shoot the Rangers I don't know what the there's no telling what they'll do they'll probably uh they won't do anything until the all star break and then uh then they'll pick up a little bit and that seems to be their uh their average pace but
[speaker002:] well there's been some talk that they're going to trade Pete Incaviglia
[speaker001:] yeah uh I heard that but I heard on uh uh the radio this morning that that uh you know old Bobby Valentine said that there was no no uh truth to that but you never can tell
[speaker002:] okay they might just be fishing to see what they can get for him
[speaker001:] that's right and I don't know personally I'd like to get rid of him I think he's sort of a showboat and really hadn't produced you know a whole lot but uh
[speaker002:] yeah yeah I agree they're paying him too much money and uh for for the kind of money they're paying him right now I think it's one point six million dollars they can get a pretty good quality outfielder
[speaker001:] right yeah then they're going to have to spend some money and I think build up their pitching staff uh
[speaker002:] yeah I'm looking forward to seeing Nolan Ryan pitch
[speaker001:] yeah it would be interesting to see how he does this year
[speaker002:] but uh I think the rest of the staff is uh a little weak
[speaker001:] yeah I heard uh just I guess last night they got beat uh and Bobby Witt was the pitcher and he's supposed to be uh you know their their hot guy
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] and uh sounded like he got pounded pretty hard
[speaker002:] he's hot and cold
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] he'll have an outstanding outing and the next time he'll get shelled
[speaker001:] right and and that's really what the Rangers need some some consistency you know outer starter
[speaker002:] so
[speaker001:] and uh uh I don't know it's going to be interesting
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] uh my at work my boss got season tickets this year so uh hopefully if I'm real nice to him he's going throw a couple of those my way every now and then so it will be fun to go out there and watch them
[speaker002:] I see I guess Ruben Sierra's got an entirely new attitude this season
[speaker001:] that's what they said that uh he really worked out you know hard in off season and uh maybe he can catch a fly ball or two this year
[speaker002:] he claims to be out there to play ball yeah they say he's really been hustling
[speaker001:] right God he need to I mean he's got all the talent in the world when it comes around to to hitting the baseball
[speaker002:] never yeah
[speaker001:] but uh I mean you got to be a total player when you're in the pros
[speaker002:] well I felt a little guilty but not much when uh Robin Yount won the MVP instead of Sierra
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] the other year
[speaker001:] yeah but I don't know
[speaker002:] but uh Yount has been a he's a player uh year in year out and always uh is leading the team in uh most of most of their offensive categories
[speaker001:] is that right
[speaker002:] he really is a team player
[speaker001:] well that's what it takes to uh because uh
[speaker002:] yeah Sierra hasn't shown that kind of maturity yet
[speaker001:] right to to actually be a leader uh a team leader and uh you know the Rangers really don't have any star players besides Ryan that uh I think the other players look up to because Incaviglia I don't think you know uh he stands out to be a a real leader
[speaker002:] yeah and he hasn't really shown the the talent uh or the promise that they saw when he was at Oklahoma State
[speaker001:] right right sounds like they have a young guy that they're putting a lot of weight into uh that Juan Gonzalez yeah
[speaker002:] Juan Gonzalez yeah he looks to be a a up and coming uh performer
[speaker001:] yeah so it will be interesting to see you know I think and make him progress and uh get him on board
[speaker002:] well given the Rangers' history they'll probably trade him
[speaker001:] and then he'll become an all star
[speaker002:] and then he'll right somewhere else that that seems to be the way the Rangers operate
[speaker001:] that's right that's exactly right but uh well I'll tell you what it will be interesting to to get the baseball season going and see how everything turns out
[speaker002:] how do you think Oakland's going to do
[speaker001:] I don't know I tell you what they've uh they've got a big enough payroll they need to uh uh
[speaker002:] for what they're paying they ought to get they ought to get the performance out of those guys uh
[speaker001:] go back that's exactly right
[speaker002:] Canseco's making five million a year
[speaker001:] yeah and I I just don't see uh you know a baseball player being worth that or any really any pro pro athlete because we look at that compared to what uh normal people make I mean it's just totally outrageous
[speaker002:] yeah yeah I I agree
[speaker001:] and uh
[speaker002:] I think it is and when when the players themselves are turning down contracts that are three or four years in duration for three or four million dollars a year looking for more money yet
[speaker001:] yeah that that's what ticks me off about old uh Henderson you know wanting to renegotiate renegotiate his contract because uh uh he's not the highest paid player anymore
[speaker002:] sure
[speaker001:] well man that's that's just ridiculous
[speaker002:] well it's it's a bidding war between teams and it's also popularity contest between sports to see who can get the biggest uh paycheck
[speaker001:] right exactly and you know ultimately the the consumer and the uh fan are the people that have to pay for it through the
[speaker002:] because baseball that's true they keep raising the ticket prices every year
[speaker001:] right and through advertisements you know on TV uh because a TV contract is really where they rake in the money and
[speaker002:] yeah and with what those guys get paid then they go out uh besides baseball and and advertise products or they they charge ten or fifteen dollars for a autograph
[speaker001:] right that's right
[speaker002:] they've got all this supplemental income coming in as if they aren't ma king enough already as uh stars of the sport
[speaker001:] exactly and uh you know so I I don't know personally uh you know I'll pay keep paying whatever the ticket prices are but and uh it really does irk me to see those guys out there uh you know making that much money
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] and uh and then the the public you know just continues to you know help support and funnel the funds into uh to make it happen whatever it costs
[speaker002:] sure yeah I might get to maybe one game out of the year uh in person uh but uh having cable TV and HSE
[speaker001:] right well that's right you can get your your fill just about
[speaker002:] yeah I'll watch quite a few games on TV
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] especially to somebody like Nolan pitch
[speaker001:] right right so uh
[speaker002:] Brewers always have such hard luck Teddy Higuera is hurt again
[speaker001:] oh really
[speaker002:] he was supposed to pitch an exhibition in Mexico against Fernando Valenzuela
[speaker001:] oh yeah
[speaker002:] and uh he had a torn rotator cup
[speaker001:] oh jeez
[speaker002:] so he's out for at least uh oh I don't know how many weeks or months they said
[speaker001:] golly
[speaker002:] but he may not pitch this season again
[speaker001:] oh man that's ridiculous
[speaker002:] but he's the star of that uh team their pitching staff and when he sits out they fizzle that seems typical because most of their other stars uh Paul Molitor's usually out half the season with injuries himself
[speaker001:] oh man that makes it tough on the the whole club the management all the way down the rest of the players
[speaker002:] yeah they end up juggling the lineup and trying to fit uh more inexperienced players into those roles and they just don't have the leadership don't have the skills to carry a team
[speaker001:] yeah right right well it will be interesting
[speaker002:] well I think it will be fun I'm ready for baseball season to start
[speaker001:] I sort of am too uh I enjoy going out to a couple of the games and and uh I really don't get that involved until the play-offs though uh
[speaker002:] yeah I agree with that
[speaker001:] you know the season's just so long
[speaker002:] right well the preseason really doesn't mean anything either
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] because the players the teams uh usually play in split squads and they're either playing their rookies or their uh
[speaker001:] that's right depending on what night it is and where they're at uh on whose playing
[speaker002:] uh yeah
[speaker001:] and uh
[speaker002:] so once the season gets underway you know they're out there to be serious about what they're doing trying to win games and uh
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] I take it from there
[speaker001:] right right well I tell you what I appreciate the conversation and uh we'll just have to watch and see how it goes comes about
[speaker002:] okay well good luck to the Rangers this season see if they can pull one out
[speaker001:] all righty we'll we'll talk to you later bye-bye
[speaker002:] all right sure thanks bye |
[speaker001:] hello
[speaker002:] hello
[speaker001:] hi my name's Gail I'm calling from Texas
[speaker002:] hi I'm Sandy I'm in Texas too
[speaker001:] oh what a deal hm took long enough to find you
[speaker002:] oh really
[speaker001:] yeah seems like they take forever any more but um so did you hear what the topic was did she tell you okay
[speaker002:] yes yeah
[speaker001:] great well if you're ready then uh I'll just go ahead and start okay hold on
[speaker002:] okay
[speaker001:] okay well I guess we're supposed to talk about the changing roles of women
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] seems like um to me everything is just changing so much that it's almost like um you can't keep up with things any more and everything is uh there everyone's striving so much to make it equal between men and women I personally I'm a stay home mom and I like it the way it used to be
[speaker002:] so am I
[speaker001:] are you
[speaker002:] I you know I think it's kind of coming back around to that don't you I mean that there's a lot more people that stay home now than before but I guess more than anything I think maybe people were just kind of wanting to have the choice of what they could do you know
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] I don't know I mean I think sometimes some of the the women's lib though is kind of like they wanted it all you know and you can't have everything
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] I don't I don't think that you can have I mean there's no way I could have a career and then be the kind of mom that I wanna be
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and to me that's more important
[speaker001:] how how many kids do you have two are they young or
[speaker002:] two um-hum five and two
[speaker001:] five and two I have two and mine are two and nine months so um being being home is real I I just am fortunate because I don't know a real lot of moms that get to stay home and uh I just it's just weird that I was just talking to somebody this morning who's who's a working uh lady a working mom and you know these people have secretaries and these high power jobs and it just seems like um she she told me now her daughter took her first steps at the day care and uh I just think I I I just don't agree with that I think it should be that people should get back to staying home and and being family more family oriented than than not you know it seems like everybody's always so busy with everything that they're doing that there's no time for this and that and the other and I hope it just doesn't get to where you know there's more women more and more women going into the work force
[speaker002:] well I agree I mean but I I hate for them to make people feel bad that have to work too saying you know you should stay home you know otherwise your children aren't going to you know turn out or whatever because that's not fair to
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] you know like the single moms that have to work or if they wouldn't be able to make ends meet
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] not working or whatever I mean I think it's got to be a personal choice and it's nice that that we could have the choice to stay home
[speaker001:] yeah well I find that I whenever I have to whenever I'm in a group of people and we're discussing things like just over the weekend I visited my family and some cousins I hadn't seen in a long time and everyone's all interested in what everybody's doing and uh you know well I had my baby with me and I found that all I talked about was my baby which was fine with me but it's like you know here these people are they're going to school getting degrees making all this money and you know they kind of looked at me like I was from the dark ages you know like I because I didn't have really all that much to talk about uh where career and things like that were concerned I mean you kind of feel little bit like an outcast for a while
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] in social situations sometimes which is too bad because you know I I feel like I don't obviously I don't get paid for my job but I should get paid at least double what my husband makes working in an office for staying home that's what I figure I'm worth a lot as for what I do
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] every day but you know I don't know he's kind of a um at at least here I've noticed I'm not from here I'm from Colorado but I've really noticed that there are a lot of uh a lot more people that are more comfortable at least with some women being home and at least in the circles I've traveled and in the church that I go to you know that men don't treat you like you don't know anything generally
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] speaking
[speaker002:] well and I think a lot of companies are realizing this and offering more opportunities as far as like job sharing or you know even having a day care on site and that kind of stuff and I think that's really important
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] that that they do that and they realize there's a need for that and um I don't know I found when I did do some work when my son was young it was like contract work and it wasn't where I had to be there every day but I mean we're going to the doctor once a week so I don't know how you could have a full time job and ever have any vacation time to do anything besides go to the doctor
[speaker001:] yeah yeah I can see where that would definitely hinder the problem definitely well |
[speaker001:] okay um what kind of hobbies do you have Lori
[speaker002:] um I guess uh I like to play golf
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and um I also like to plant flowers and do do some gardening and do arts and crafts
[speaker001:] uh-huh where do you play golf or in this area
[speaker002:] well we live uh pretty close to the Mesquite Golf Course
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] so we'll play either out there or at Firewheel that's usually where we play but I've played you know different courses in in the Dallas area
[speaker001:] do you uh do you ride or do you pull a cart when you play golf
[speaker002:] uh both not at the same time
[speaker001:] I was gonna say that could be difficult
[speaker002:] now sometimes we ride and sometimes um we pull we like to to a lot of times just walk for the exercise
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] but I find that when I ride in a cart I play better and I think it's because I don't get as tired
[speaker001:] I think that might be true
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] I don't like pulling a cart on Firewheel golf course because they want you to pull the cart on the path
[speaker002:] I know and that makes me so mad I you know it's like it's not gonna do that much damage to the course but apparently they think differently
[speaker001:] that's the reason I don't play over there
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] I like the course but I don't play over there because you they don't uh you know don't allow you to pull a cart
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] and I don't think a cart damages the turf
[speaker002:] right well the reason why we play over there is because since we're a Garland resident they give us a special deal where you can get um ten rounds of golf for a hundred dollar yeah a hundred dollars because it's half price what the normal green fees are
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] so that's why we you know play over there because we've got our card
[speaker001:] well I guess I could use a car too I live uh very near very close to the Firewheel Golf Course
[speaker002:] oh do you so you live in Garland then
[speaker001:] yes I live in northwest Garland right up there near the golf course
[speaker002:] okay well we're in south Garland but yeah next time you go um you know check into it they've uh it's just like uh a bus card and they just punch it you know it's got one through ten on it and every time you go they just punch it for you
[speaker001:] well in the last two years I haven't played very much golf because I'm involved in Boy Scouts
[speaker002:] oh okay
[speaker001:] so I have uh I have children I have children Boy Scout age I have two boys that are Boy Scout age and so
[speaker002:] you must have a a son oh okay
[speaker001:] I'm very active in Boy Scouts so I'd have to say that camping and hiking and canoeing and Boy Scouts is my hobby
[speaker002:] yeah oh well that sounds like fun too
[speaker001:] but I like but my golf clubs will probably rust before I get to use them again because my boys are still right at the beginning age and it's gonna probably be six to eight years before they go to college
[speaker002:] uh-huh well you need to teach them how to play take them out on the course with you
[speaker001:] so that's right lessons are expensive though
[speaker002:] oh yeah well you can teach them
[speaker001:] well they probably would never make it then because I don't think I only took lessons for golf when I was in college
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] ah as a course for P E you know so I could graduate
[speaker002:] right right uh-huh
[speaker001:] but uh that's the only time I think I've ever really taken golf lessons and that was kind of a group scenario and not individual
[speaker002:] uh-huh right right
[speaker001:] I took one lesson one other time besides that um I just uh try to make the club hit the ball
[speaker002:] right yeah I know what you mean
[speaker001:] I don't wanna play strike out you know
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] but I have fun doing it some you know have some good shots and some bad shots
[speaker002:] oh yeah it's it's just nice to get outdoors and do something
[speaker001:] so you said you work uh in the gardens too do you have ah special flowers
[speaker002:] well flower gardens I like to have matter fact this past weekend I I just got finished planting a bunch of tulips and daffodil bulbs so those ought to be coming up around spring time
[speaker001:] my wife had uh just put in a bunch of I wanna say they're pansies
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] she put them in like two months ago because they're winter plants
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] and they just bloom with all even with all the cold weather weather we've had they've been blooming just fine
[speaker002:] oh they do great I put mine in probably in November
[speaker001:] that's when she did I think
[speaker002:] yeah I think was November and I don't do anything to mine I don't water mine or anything and they just they do really good and I even had I guess it was last year the year before I had some out and it froze and the pansies looked terrible but they came back later I didn't do anything to them so they're um they're they're good to plant in the winter time because they last for a long time then so if you start putting them you know you can put them out in the spring too but once it starts getting real hot then it just kills them because they can't stand the hot weather
[speaker001:] um-hum do they survive longer if you put them in the winter time will they make it through the summer some
[speaker002:] no they won't make it through the summer because it gets too hot but they'd make it through probably winter and spring
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] so yeah I've got some of those too I love flowers
[speaker001:] well oh that's good
[speaker002:] yeah and I do some I try to do some arts and crafts and I love to go the to |
[speaker001:] hi you want to start first
[speaker002:] of course we're talking about the elderly and uh whether or not we would we like nursing homes and as a matter of fact I can tell you something about that
[speaker001:] right uh-huh you apparently have somebody there in one
[speaker002:] no actually my grandmother owned and operated a nursing home for years and her mother
[speaker001:] oh you are kidding
[speaker002:] no she did and then my mother also owned and operated a nursing home for years and then uh went on back to school and became the director of nurses at a nursing home
[speaker001:] oh uh-huh I will be darned uh-huh
[speaker002:] and uh my mother and my older sister both are geriatric nurses
[speaker001:] oh for heaven's sake
[speaker002:] so I do know something about that
[speaker001:] you are very very much aware of what goes on that is great
[speaker002:] absolutely actually the motivation for grandmother entering the business was that her mother was very old and couldn't seem to find companions
[speaker001:] uh-huh um-hum um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] she was lonely and she needed company for her mother and so she opened a nursing home and initially started with eight ladies and then uh it it grew into a very prosperous business from that point uh then they
[speaker001:] right right I will be darned um-hum now see that is a nice attitude to go into uh
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] it seems like they must be waiting until it's a necessity
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and there is no chance of uh good companionship or doing anything
[speaker002:] well that is not really true either uh I think that is a stigma and an I and an impression that has come from some few bad experiences you see those who had bad experiences talk about them
[speaker001:] um right right
[speaker002:] and those who don't may write a letter to the nursing home and say you did good but they do not talk a whole lot about that
[speaker001:] uh-huh that is true but what I mean is instead of maybe entering a nursing home
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] when you are still able to have good relationships with maybe other friends
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum sure well now
[speaker001:] they wait until they're you know unable
[speaker002:] that's right well that is because they wait until the children make those choices they choose to not make those choices themselves however my daughter-in-law also is a nurse in a nursing home
[speaker001:] right right right um-hum
[speaker002:] and uh she works for one here in Dallas which is more a retirement village than it is a nursing home and these these I love watching these elderly people come they will come and tell her well I am going for my tennis lessons
[speaker001:] um um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] and uh would you would you you know call down and have the van come around and take us for our tennis lessons and they're very active and very enthusiastic and they have some excellent programs right there on site
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh-huh yeah
[speaker002:] their dining room looks like you know Luby's Cafeteria
[speaker001:] yeah that's great
[speaker002:] or or one of the lovely cafeterias and they have you know pink linen napkins for their dinners and a a well equipped library
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh-huh yeah that sounds great
[speaker002:] oh I am certainly very much for a nursing home and I think when the the parent gets old enough to the extent where they just don't want to be bothered with keeping house and with taking care of themselves anymore that is a wonderful alternative it is expensive it is costly
[speaker001:] yeah um-hum uh-huh uh-huh see if they could could get this idea across though better than what it is
[speaker002:] it is costly um-hum well now my daddy's mother uh lived in a a retirement village and she and her sister had side by side duplexes one bedroom duplex she still had her individuality
[speaker001:] you know um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] but they were there close and they did have uh you know the button that you could push the central office if you got into problems and there were lights that you could flip on and so forth and they he did have security
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] no I am very much in favor I have heard horror stories
[speaker001:] oh well you have that with anything
[speaker002:] I know that the elderly can easily be abused but I would be willing to bet they are far less abused in a nursing home than are they are in homes of their own children
[speaker001:] oh yeah in the homes yeah well we used our nursing home as uh
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] like when my sister was real bad before she died uh
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] we took her the last month and a half into a nursing home and they were super with her
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum absolutely
[speaker001:] they were uh
[speaker002:] well now my grandmother of course all of my folks lived to be very old and my grandmother developed Hodgkin's Disease when she was in her late eighties uh late seventies I mean
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh-huh uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker002:] she went to the doctor she had surgery she got the treatments and during the period of time that she was undergoing those treatments she was in a nursing home she got better she got well she got out and went dancing again
[speaker001:] um-hum uh-huh well a lot of people do that they left them temporally maybe they had a broken hip or something or
[speaker002:] uh-huh that's right uh-huh uh-huh I think it is a wonderful interim place it is a place that you don't have to struggle with hospital problems and uh yet it is not you know you have
[speaker001:] uh um-hum um-hum and it can become home to them
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum it certainly is
[speaker001:] it it it depends upon the individual right yeah
[speaker002:] it certainly does but you see we have had excellent experience with that and uh I I did not put my husband in a nursing home when he became ill but I would not object to going to one I might I might like to be uh coherent enough to make my own choice
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh-huh uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker002:] uh I would not particularly think I would want my kids to say well I think this is what I need for Mom and then dump me there but I would like
[speaker001:] this this is the age and there has to be consideration taken on everything so
[speaker002:] that's right um-hum um-hum and I think you would shop for a nursing home just like you would shop for a church or a doctor or anything else
[speaker001:] yeah that's right you would look into it thoroughly and do do the best job you could in choosing choosing one
[speaker002:] um-hum sure um-hum when you get to the point where you are in trouble and you have got to have that help you are in no position to make those choices
[speaker001:] uh-huh no and you do not have the time to look that is what I am saying most people will not even look at that until it becomes a necessity
[speaker002:] that's right um-hum absolutely I think that one of the best ways to do that is for families to realize they're going to be needing those facilities one day
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and to actually get involved and participate on a community level with community service go out to the nursing home help guide some craft programs perhaps work on some music programs whatever their talents are and work with those senior citizens
[speaker001:] whatever their talents yeah yeah I have a cousin who's uh he had a son that was epileptic from birth and he did fine at home they lived on a farm
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] but she made arrangements so that when she was gone she didn't want her her children her other children burdened with his care
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum um-hum that's right
[speaker001:] so he they she has made arrangements that when she she was gone that he would go into the nursing home
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and he's I would say he adjusted very well and uh he he he's been there quite a long time
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and uh he don't know me usually but he goes wheeling down uh the hall to bingo somebody else he's helping him out
[speaker002:] yeah that's right
[speaker001:] you know and uh he has adjusted very well
[speaker002:] well one of the things I think that is most desirable for the elderly and that is routine
[speaker001:] um-hum oh yes yes
[speaker002:] routine and uh constancy
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] uh the only real problem with that in a nursing home is that the staff turns over I do not think they pay the nursing home staff sufficiently to to get the dedication
[speaker001:] uh-huh to keep them there uh-huh
[speaker002:] that they have in some other profession and that's sad because I think the health profession is one of the most critical
[speaker001:] true yes yes but for for some reason
[speaker002:] and uh
[speaker001:] people resist uh the fact that they should be paid as well as businesses and that type of thing you know
[speaker002:] that's right
[speaker001:] it seems to be a resistance
[speaker002:] care for the elderly and care for the children I can't imagine a more costly and a more a more uh better area to invest your money
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum right right but there seems to be a resistance
[speaker002:] you're preserving your heritage and your future there
[speaker001:] yeah yeah
[speaker002:] and as a matter of fact I don't see why they don't have children's programs in nursing homes
[speaker001:] well around here we have some you know the churches
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker001:] uh take your the children and I know our kids thoroughly the children thoroughly enjoy |
[speaker002:] we're supposed to talk about if we agree on if we're paying too many taxes or if we're getting our monies worth out of the taxes we pay
[speaker001:] right I think it's kind of a loaded question I don't think anybody would say we should pay more I think I think most of us feel that we do pay enough
[speaker002:] no yeah I think here in Texas they're even running an ah a series right now on the news one of the news channels at night about they were like secretly um supervising people that were supposed to be working for a county here
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and they were hired by the state state so they were being paid with our tax money
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] and they weren't even doing the job they were out working on other sites not doing a thing on what they were supposed to do
[speaker001:] well I I think what's happened is a lot of these state and city jobs people feel that once they get them they're entitled to them for life and they can kind of take it easy because they're protected by their unions etcetera
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] uh during my college years my mom worked for the state and she got me a summer job and when I came in I'm I was just a little eager beaver and I went through whatever work they gave me and I found people sitting around me polishing their nails and they were downright disgusted with me because I was going to come and go but they were going to live there and they didn't like me you know showing them up and finishing stuff so what they did was give me worse and worse and ugly and uglier things to do so I would just back off but and you know that's what it seemed like from the inside um it's not that no one works I think what happens is it's a personality thing and those who just like to do a job well done get to do the work for three or four freeloaders
[speaker002:] right yeah
[speaker001:] who don't do it I think I I you know I think it's a cross section of humanity it's not so much all state workers I mean it's hard to generalize like that
[speaker002:] yeah I think that we pay enough taxes and I think that if if everybody would be honest with how they dealt with the tax money if we could somehow get the same um ability to get work done and and be honest about it with our tax dollars I don't think they need to raise it and I think they'd be able to handle with what we've got I feel like here in Texas we pretty much get our monies back out of what we pay I feel very pleased with what they do they've put in you know as far as the state taxes go I don't know about our federal money I think that's all pretty I hope that they're doing better with not spending so much more than what they've got but you know you just never you can't control that but in the state here they've put in bike trails they've got really nice parks here in Texas they keep their their their lots that they own that are green and stuff they keep them really nice um their schools here are really good and updated they've got computers in the schools I'm very pleased at least with the area that we're in with how they spend their money their their they don't tax us outrageously and they seem to really give us a lot for our tax dollars they offer community classes for our kids to go to that are just very minimal minimal costs you know just cover the instructor
[speaker001:] oh
[speaker002:] and um there lots of opportunities that you can take advantage of there are community colleges here you can take for just practically nothing um they just offer so much for I feel like what we pay in our taxes that I don't mind paying them at all
[speaker001:] apparently there's been a uh movement where I am I'm on Long Island which is a suburb of New New York City and um there's been a movement by home owners to try get their their home taxes reduced they feel their too high and there's all kind of review boards that if you feel strongly about it you can challenge your tax uh the newspapers now running an article on state universities which you know everyone kind of assume at least I did assume that you can get a good education and pay so much less than a private University
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and it seems to be more of an expose than anything I mean you hearing ghastly stories about kids who are taking four and five like five years to graduate because when they try to sign up for a class they're so over crowded they can't get in the class
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] so in order to finish all the uh requisites they have to just stay longer until they can finally get a hold of the class
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] that this this I thought was totally outrageous that they have teaching assistants well that's that's an old thing you know having graduate students teach undergrads but some of these people are you know from India and Asia and they don't speak English well enough for the students to understand now how could they possibly have someone teaching a class who is not fluent
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] and and I heard that that's true I mean that's I find that incredible that's a
[speaker002:] so you're not as pleased with your tax dollars and what they're doing in New York
[speaker001:] uh yeah well I guess I have a a private um argument argument with them I'm a substitute teacher who you know have have has raised a family my kids are older now and I'd like to work full-time and they're firing teachers left and right and the classes are getting bigger our school budgets are really down
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] maybe it's not handled real efficiently you know that's that's very likely
[speaker002:] that could be I don't know um
[speaker001:] my you know my husband's in the computer business and the schools just you know they're updating computers are the hot new thing and my husband was |
[speaker001:] Okay. Uh, do you have young children? *two utts
[speaker002:] Uh-huh, I have got two. One is, uh, two and the other one's four and, uh, this is my first year of staying home. I've always had them in child care.
[speaker001:] Oh, well, then you are familiar with it?
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] Okay, I, uh, I have grandchildren and I know, uh, one has gone to a, well, two of them have gone to preschool.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And I know what the experience my daughter has faced with that. Why don't you tell me what you have found.
[speaker002:] Well, uh, the, with our second sitter, the first one didn't quite work out, there were some things going on that I wasn't really happy with and so I felt that, that I need to move on with them and so I found another baby-sitter and she was wonderful except I thought that there were too many in the home and it just seemed like it was so hard to find, uh, really good child care. She was wonderful, it's just that I felt that there were too many in the home. It was
[speaker001:] Okay, so, *need slash
[speaker002:] in home child care.
[speaker001:] Okay, so it was in home child care. You took them to someone's home?
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] Well, both times?
[speaker002:] Uh-huh, right.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And, uh, and then I worked in, in the child care centers and I wasn't really happy with the particular one that I was working in so I just always had a fear about, you know, child care centers. So that's why I put them in a, in a in home day care. *slash error, should be sd
[speaker001:] Oh, uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh. *slash error should be 'b' And then I just decided that I was just missing a lot of their time whether they were so little and, and I couldn't get off of work as often as I wanted to when they were ill so I just decided it was probably best just to stay home for a while until they were a little more, [breathing] uh, independent and, uh, I could go back to work.
[speaker001:] I know that in raising my children, uh, I was fortunate, I didn't have to work, we didn't necessarily have a lot of things [LAUGHTER],
[speaker002:] Yeah [LAUGHTER]. That's how it's going now.
[speaker001:] But, uh, and, I know my daughter, because she has three and, to have three in day care, you know, even though one of them's in school full time, one of them's, you know, in kindergarten. *need a slash, should be sd??
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] That is a lot of money. *slash err should be sv I mean it's so expensive.
[speaker002:] Oh, yeah.
[speaker001:] You have to really make a lot of money.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] And I'm glad that she gets to stay home so that she can then participate with what's going on in their life.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Uh, bosses don't always seem to understand getting off to go to Christmas programs in the middle of the day or something.
[speaker002:] Oh, no, yeah.
[speaker001:] You know, and I know that one of the day cares and it's a, a well-known chain, uh, she was not at all happy with. It was, there was too many children per person. They were just kind of left to play, there was no structure to, and the middle grandson went there as a, uh, like a preschool thing.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] She was wanting him actually to start getting a certain amount of, of learning and training and stuff. Not just there, you know, so he went like, uh, I think he went, well, five mornings a week, if I remember correctly.
[speaker002:] Wow.
[speaker001:] And, uh, you know, and it was supposed to be a base, you know, starting to learn the colors and, and learning to associate with children
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] so that when he went to, you know, school
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and stuff, and, uh, she was most unhappy with it.
[speaker002:] Huh.
[speaker001:] There was no structure, there was nothing to it. You know, and, uh, she pulled him out of that one and put him in a, another one that was excellent. It was, it was like a little kindergarten.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And, uh, they had hot lunches and, and they had classes that, you know, one class they'd do art. They even familiarized the children with computers.
[speaker002:] Oh.
[speaker001:] Uh, it was just, it was really a very excellent
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] one.
[speaker002:] And how old was he?
[speaker001:] He's now five and a half. He's in kindergarten.
[speaker002:] Oh.
[speaker001:] This was last year.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And, uh, so, you know, it helped him and, and the first one, uh, he went to a, uh, church preschool
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] that was very good.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] The Methodist Church in Richardson.
[speaker002:] Oh.
[speaker001:] The big one and it was a excellent, they, very good.
[speaker002:] My little boy goes to the Methodist, uh, in Garland.
[speaker001:] Oh, does he?
[speaker002:] Uh-huh. I'm real happy with that one.
[speaker001:] Yeah, they, uh, the church ones, church ones seem to be very well run.
[speaker002:] Well, I've, I've heard that the Methodist ones are excellent.
[speaker001:] Oh, really?
[speaker002:] Uh-huh. Even the [throat clearing], even the Mother's Day Out programs, I heard, are real good.
[speaker001:] Oh. I had, uh, I just assumed that most churches, going by, you know
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] experience there, that, you know, that they were good. I
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] I didn't know that, uh, you know, I'm not that familiar. I just know that, you know, First United Methodist of Richardson was
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] just a great program.
[speaker002:] Yeah, because this is First United Methodist in Garland
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] that he goes to and I'm real happy with that.
[speaker001:] Yeah, it's a pretty good size church, too, isn't it?
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] So,
[speaker002:] Well, that's a,
[speaker001:] Well, are you enjoying staying home?
[speaker002:] Yes, I am [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Uh, I taught for Richardson School District
[speaker001:] Oh, uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and, uh, I taught early childhood and I really enjoyed it, but it was just, it was taking a lot of my time and I noticed I was spending less and less time with them and it just seemed like they were sick more often
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and I just couldn't get the time off to, so,
[speaker001:] Well, isn't it very hard to teach young children and then come home and deal
[speaker002:] Yeah, it is.
[speaker001:] with young children.
[speaker002:] It really is.
[speaker001:] And have enthusiasm.
[speaker002:] Yeah, it really is. And I felt, |
[speaker001:] okay
[speaker002:] well budgeting is a sore subject in this family
[speaker001:] yeah me too I know exactly what you mean
[speaker002:] we've actually uh uh tried uh budgeting is very important to us we we try it every month and um I think it's good I mean it it gives us a sense of uh uh of of staying in some semblance of control but uh we we do have uh we never seem to be able to stick with it
[speaker001:] no it's really hard to do that I mean it's I don't know I guess um we do kind of have a budget um but it's kind of funny what we what we do I guess is we try to proportion uh who pays what according to the salary that we make uh do you not understand what I'm saying we we pay a percentage
[speaker002:] no
[speaker001:] um which is kind of strange a lot of people don't do that but hey we find that it works you know
[speaker002:] now I'm sorry what is what is this again
[speaker001:] well okay um like I pay a certain percentage of my pay check to the bills and he pays a certain percentage of his paycheck do you understand okay I guess I didn't really explain that too well
[speaker002:] oh okay oh I see oh sure yeah okay yeah yeah that makes perfect sense yeah well yeah uh we ours is actually very detailed um we we've got categories for everything and uh we we figure out how much income the both of us are going to have in a month and we take every penny of that and we allocate it under all these different categories unfortunately there's a big category called miscellaneous
[speaker001:] oh that one gets used up quick is that it
[speaker002:] and uh miscellaneous that's the one that kills us every time miscellaneous is never what we figure it's going to be it's never what it was last month and uh and uh you know it's it's the one that's always the killer
[speaker001:] that's
[speaker002:] um but I uh you know it's uh in fact when uh we pay our check when we when we you know write our checks we even categorize our payments and I mean we even get into that kind of detail um so so
[speaker001:] oh wow that's really that is pretty detailed
[speaker002:] so we I mean we do uh when you know whenever we go through the process of paying the bills we know exactly what category we're paying it for and uh we have a pretty good sense of where our money's going we don't have any control over it but we have a real good sense of where it's going
[speaker001:] well but you know that's good too because I've been in the situation in the past where I didn't know where my money was going and that
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] that's hard to you know you can't keep up with it and it really gets you in trouble you know and
[speaker002:] yeah well we're we're at a point where we're trying to accomplish a lot of things right now and uh like my wife's going back to school and I'm going to school and we're our kid we've got the kids who are at the stage where they need to take piano lessons and and uh you know play baseball and and do all those fun things
[speaker001:] oh yeah
[speaker002:] and uh I think I think we'd be totally bankrupt if we didn't do something um and and what we've proven to ourselves what we prove to ourselves every month is that we're spending more than than we make so it's it's kind of depressing to see it in black and white but uh yeah
[speaker001:] yeah that's easy to do it's very easy to do and it's I don't it do you find it easier to I mean do with a budget do you feel like you're you do I mean I know you said you have better control but
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] do you feel like you're really saving anything I mean
[speaker002:] um well no I I I think um I I I don't think we're saving anything I I think what we're doing is we're we're we're making it possible to to well and the fact what it is is it's making it possible to live beyond our means um because
[speaker001:] oh well that's
[speaker002:] you know what if we didn't track it we'd we'd totally blow it I think is what it would end up um um so you know we we do know that we can tell when we're getting to the point where we've just got to uh hold back on something uh we can we can see a cash flow that says this you know we can't do this right now because the money's just not there we we we're going to have to put it off for a week or a month or whatever the case so so yeah it you know it's um
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] we uh you know we're not going to get this budget isn't going to make us rich but it is going to prevent us from going into poverty uh but
[speaker001:] yeah which is easy to do
[speaker002:] yeah uh-huh but we look at it sort of as an investment in the future too you know I'm going back to school my wife's going back to school too our lifestyle right now is meant to position ourselves so financial the these financial problems won't be problems uh in the future and uh so
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] we've that's that's the we're look we look it as as yeah we're living like this now but it's a short term investment for for a better lifestyle later on
[speaker001:] right well that's good I know what you mean about the school because that's what I'm trying to do also and we're trying to build it enough so that I can go to school full time because right now I'm going to school part time
[speaker002:] yeah right we're going we're going through the exact same thing
[speaker001:] yeah so you know trying to budget is again you know at this point we're trying to budget enough so we can
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] save more um you know so I can go to school full time
[speaker002:] sure
[speaker001:] you know it's it's not easy to do but
[speaker002:] and no I I don't know that we'd ever be able to get to that point but uh um but it's something to work for
[speaker001:] oh oh it definitely is and I tell you what if you work hard enough it'll happen because because I can we can see it you know I think it's going to be a couple of years before I can do that
[speaker002:] yeah yeah sure that's I think we're in probably in the same position
[speaker001:] but you know but at least I can see a little bit of the light just from you know doing this you know budgeting and stuff it really helps
[speaker002:] yeah right right yeah
[speaker001:] but
[speaker002:] yeah um and and and it also makes it possible you I think before we did any kind of budgeting we we were in a constant state of saying we can't afford anything
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] you know we can't do anything we can't afford anything and now we can at least say well we can fit this in it doesn't really work very well but we can fit this expense in and so by being a little organized we can we can allow ourselves some things that we couldn't before
[speaker001:] yeah it really makes a world of difference doesn't it
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] it really does I know I've been in like I said the same situation you know where I've I've been in a situation where I didn't budget anything just spent money and spent money and spent money and it doesn't work it doesn't it really doesn't uh makes a big difference
[speaker002:] right that's right that's right it it it yeah I we I think that uh part of the the reason we we we got so almost fanatical about budgeting is that that there were those years where we lived that way
[speaker001:] yes
[speaker002:] and we're still paying for it
[speaker001:] oh definitely
[speaker002:] you know and so the only way to get out from under that is to is to do some kind of budgeting
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] um yeah you don't want to especially when it comes time and the kids are grown up and they're they want to do things like go to college uh you don't want to say we'll still paying for the mistake we made twenty years ago you know and
[speaker001:] right yeah well that's that's a big that's really important because I do have a college fund set aside for my kids
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] you know and my oldest one is um almost going on nine so you know it's not that many years you know before she's going to be going so I hope that you know I can continue the college fund because it's
[speaker002:] yeah that's right that's right I know
[speaker001:] it's important that they go to college when they get out of high school
[speaker002:] right well you know I we're we're we're trying to put money away for that too and uh um um you know you just can't count on them being totally brilliant though though they are but you can't count on them being totally brilliant uh so that they can get scholarships and and things like that um it's you know
[speaker001:] right no that's true I mean
[speaker002:] it doesn't always work that way
[speaker001:] you hope you hope that they can but you know you can't plan right yeah that's right right that's that's the way you have to do it right no
[speaker002:] right right or at least loans that they pay off yeah yeah well
[speaker001:] no that's that's an important thing to me and that's why it was very important for me because I didn't go to college out of high school it was important for me to budget in
[speaker002:] uh yeah
[speaker001:] a um college fund for them because it was just so important I said I don't want them to go through what I went through
[speaker002:] sure right
[speaker001:] they have to have a college fund so
[speaker002:] well you know the the I'm I'm also hoping that this budget process will rub off on them because uh when I grew up I had no
[speaker001:] right exactly
[speaker002:] no involvement in finances whatsoever you know and so when I became an adult and I was responsible for
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] for the money I had no skills and no background and no tools and and uh so we had to learn it the hard way and and um
[speaker001:] right yes I know exactly I was the same way
[speaker002:] so we we're trying to get the kids involved with that that you know when they get an allowance uh part of that's supposed to go to savings for instance
[speaker001:] very good yeah
[speaker002:] and uh um yeah and they understand our the our process
[speaker001:] uh-huh you're that's that's that's strange because ours all of their money goes in savings if they need something we buy it for them
[speaker002:] oh yeah
[speaker001:] and all their money has to go in their savings account
[speaker002:] oh
[speaker001:] you know which maybe I'm being a little bit too harsh but but if they need something I buy it for them
[speaker002:] yeah yeah
[speaker001:] you know I mean if it's an absolute need
[speaker002:] sure
[speaker001:] you know if I mean if they want something occasionally but most of the time if it's a need I just get it
[speaker002:] right yeah |
[speaker001:] well
[speaker002:] so uh what do you think about uh uh how trials in America are right now with the jury of nine or twelve do you think that's fair
[speaker001:] well um I believe a trial by twelve uh peers is fair I don't think the need for a unanimous vote is fair
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] nothing in our world seems to be by unanimous vote
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] except that hm we're too uh diverse a cultures I believe to make a complete agreement
[speaker002:] um-hum so you think that um majority rule majority rule is good enough for um deciding on a verdict of guilty or not guilty
[speaker001:] I do
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] I really do
[speaker002:] um something that's kind of interesting is uh I lived in Europe for a while and um in Germany they don't have trial by jury they have trial uh by usually three judges and uh I've discussed with people and it's it's kind of interesting uh kind of an interesting concept it sounds strange at first not to have a jury by your peers but then um the argument for it is that um you know people off the street really don't know much about law
[speaker001:] I agree with that
[speaker002:] and yeah and and then uh I guess the argument is that they're easily influenced you know by by tricks by lawyers you know who dos do more psychology than trying to teach them what's right and wrong and the law they they use uh you know techniques to sway their feelings whereas professional judges um you know know the ins and outs of the system better
[speaker001:] I agree I think that's very true I'm um concerned that when we uh sentence a uh a criminal to for a certain amount of years that we don't really know what that means
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] you know ten years may mean one year in reality
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] and I don't think that most people are aware of that
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] you know I I wouldn't couldn't tell you if we sentenced someone tomorrow how long he'd actually be in jail
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] could you
[speaker002:] no
[speaker001:] me either
[speaker002:] no couldn't
[speaker001:] and I think they kind of depend on that these criminals
[speaker002:] right yeah definitely I don't know I think the that the um alternative is something interesting to look into uh
[speaker001:] but it
[speaker002:] if you you know instead of instead of juries just by by uh uh peers juries by professional judges
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] um but I guess uh that would take a major constitutional change here
[speaker001:] definitely would but I see where they would be experts
[speaker002:] right um I mean I see also how they were you know when they made the constitution they were uh afraid of that kind of thing that you know that um if the
[speaker001:] um
[speaker002:] government has all the power to decide who's guilty and who's not they wanted to make checks and balances against that
[speaker001:] right it could really throw the checks and balances out of whack what if one of them is corrupt
[speaker002:] right exactly
[speaker001:] and he is the the decision the the main decision maker
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] you know the the they're split either way
[speaker002:] yeah it's uh does carry an implicit danger with it that way
[speaker001:] it does but that's kind of goes like our Supreme Court in a way
[speaker002:] right that's true too you know how does how does that work
[speaker001:] and who gets to point those people the politicians
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] so they get to make the decision not the people
[speaker002:] exactly I think it was I think it was more of a danger you know in the seventeen hundreds when um really you know like the King of England could decide who's guilty and who's not guilty I could see how they would wanna protect against that so I think the danger is less today would be less of a risk of you know uh corrupt judges and the government forcing
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] uh you know someone to to be guilty for uh even though they're not or vice versa you know um but it's definitely something that would have to be watched very closely if they decided to do it that way
[speaker001:] that's true I think a good start would be maybe some uh simple basic education into how the process really works for children
[speaker002:] exactly um-hum
[speaker001:] on up I mean I know I know that we all learned but I really don't see it where the children are learning it nowadays
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] they think it's a big game and you know
[speaker002:] right and and um you know what what does jury duty mean not not many people really
[speaker001:] are are you willing to take off from work and lose a day's pay or a week's pay
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] is your boss willing to let you
[speaker002:] right that's that's a really interesting issue too and um you know most people
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] another interesting thing is you know most most most people try and get out of jury duty right
[speaker001:] oh definitely
[speaker002:] so the people that actually become juries are it's not really just a random sampling of the |
[speaker001:] Okay, I guess our topic is, um, advice about going to college.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] Do you have children of your own?
[speaker002:] Oh, no, I don't have any children, but I'm still going to college.
[speaker001:] Oh, are you?
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] What school are you going to?
[speaker002:] N C State.
[speaker001:] Oh. Are you enjoying it?
[speaker002:] Um, well, it's a lot of work [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] Are you working on your, um
[speaker002:] My Bachelor's.
[speaker001:] Bachelor's degree?
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And what field of study are you in?
[speaker002:] Um, it's actually in computer science
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and I have a special interest in Voice I O.
[speaker001:] Oh, well, that's neat. Are you from North Carolina?
[speaker002:] No, I'm actually from Amarillo, Texas, originally.
[speaker001:] Oh, are you really?
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] Oh. Well, what took you to North Carolina?
[speaker002:] Oh, um, the service.
[speaker001:] Oh, I see.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Well, that was one of the things I was thinking about in school, um, I went to Texas Tech out in Lubbock
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and, uh, I had a friend, my roommate went to Tech also, but she was from New Mexico
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and she had to pay out of state tuition
[speaker002:] Ooh.
[speaker001:] and I think that would have, uh, played a real big part of my decision
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER] It would have played a major part in mine.
[speaker001:] yeah, because, um, she was pay-, of course back then it was so much cheaper than it is now. It was like four dollars a semester hour
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and so I was going to school for, you know, just a few hundred dollars a semester, and she was paying forty dollars an hour
[speaker002:] Golly,
[speaker001:] so she paid ten times as much because she was out of state.
[speaker002:] Yeah, luckily I've paid in state tuition the whole time.
[speaker001:] Oh, that's good. Yeah, so I think that would be one thing I would definitely consider [LAUGHTER]
[speaker002:] Uh-huh, um,
[speaker001:] try to find a school within the state that, um, I liked well enough to attend.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh. The second thing is some colleges only offer the, uh, liberal arts
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and, uh, whereas like State, they offer engineering courses
[speaker001:] Right, yeah.
[speaker002:] so depending on what your major is, or medical, you might want to atteck-, some, um, attend somewhere like Tech
[speaker001:] Yeah, right.
[speaker002:] and, um, aside from the, uh, well some schools may even give you financial aid, where another one won't.
[speaker001:] Yeah, that's true, that was something else I had, was, I had government aid, of course, but, uh, it was wonderful, because I got one of those grants that you don't have to repay
[speaker002:] Oh, really.
[speaker001:] and, yeah, it was so nice
[speaker002:] Um.
[speaker001:] it paid most of my tuition, and, um, a lot of the book costs and that kind of thing so.
[speaker002:] Wow, that's great.
[speaker001:] Yeah, I really,
[speaker002:] Was it a Pell grant?
[speaker001:] I'm sorry, what did you say?
[speaker002:] What kind of grant was it?
[speaker001:] Well, it was called a B E O G, a Basic Equal Opportunity Grant
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and it was from the government, and it was based, at first it was based on my parents' income. My parents had five children and really didn't make enough money to send any of us to school.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And so, uh, because based on the number of children and the amount of money, uh, my father brought in, I got a small grant
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] but then after that, I was on my own, working and, you know, trying to go to school on my own. So then I got a real big grant, because the
[speaker002:] Wow.
[speaker001:] amount of money I was making really didn't compare [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] So, it was kind of nice.
[speaker002:] Um.
[speaker001:] I don't know if those are still available or not, but,
[speaker002:] Uh, I'm not quite, there's, there's a lot of different organizations who, uh, who do give grants, but, uh, [inhaling] I'm not exactly sure which ones they are and how much, they, you know, they generally run.
[speaker001:] Yeah, yeah, this was great, it was just based on, you know, how much your tuition costs and everything, and generally it paid everything, so
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] I went to school about three years of my four for almost nothing, so that was,
[speaker002:] Golly, that's great.
[speaker001:] Yeah, it was really nice.
[speaker002:] Oh, another thing. I've got a, I've got a degree from another college
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and, uh, something that might play a part is the size of the college.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] Uh, the smaller schools can give you a lot, uh, a lot more specialized instruction
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and attention than the larger schools
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] in the larger schools you get caught up in the bureaucracy, and
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and they just give you a teacher's assistants, you know
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] instead of a scholar you get a T A
[speaker001:] That's right.
[speaker002:] and, uh, you don't get near the, uh, quality of education [cough], and as well, the, uh, smaller schools often times don't cost as much.
[speaker001:] Um, I didn't know that.
[speaker002:] Oh, yeah.
[speaker001:] Um. Well, I guess the only comparison I had ever heard was between a, a Christian college, because I thought about attending Abilene Christian
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] instead of Texas Tech
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and of course the price was just astronomical compared to Tech
[speaker002:] Um.
[speaker001:] the Christian college was so much more expensive. But I guess some of the other smaller colleges might, might be a lot different.
[speaker002:] Um [sniffing]. Oh, I, at State, I think it's just a waste of somebody's money to go there [LAUGHTER]
[speaker001:] Really?
[speaker002:] it's really a shame because of, you know, the instruction
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] um, I'd rather go to any other college, you know, in the state, and I would definitely get my money's worth, uh, much better than State.
[speaker001:] Yeah, huh.
[speaker002:] It's kind of unfortunate, because they've, they've just grown so big that they just don't care about the students any more.
[speaker001:] Yeah, yeah, you're just a number.
[speaker002:] Yeah, they're, they're bent on, uh, seeing how much land, how much more land they can get, and how much, uh, how much of the campus they can build up
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] and, uh
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] yeah, it's really a bad situation here.
[speaker001:] Oh, that's a shame. Well, I, I felt a little cheated at Tech, also. Once I got into my, I, um, majored in, |
[speaker001:] okay do you exercise every night or not
[speaker002:] no I do it in spurts
[speaker001:] do you
[speaker002:] yes and I've I should do it on a regular basis but uh for some reason I think it's tough to get into a a particular routine
[speaker001:] yeah I I'm on uh a right now I'm on one of those jags where I I exercise at well I I run every night
[speaker002:] oh
[speaker001:] and uh I just I was surprised I could run I didn't think I could I thought well I maybe a half a block I can run but I have really amazed myself but what I do I walk oh about a half a mile and I walk uphill
[speaker002:] yeah um-hum
[speaker001:] and then I run all the way back down by the time I get down to my street I've worked up a pretty good momentum and I can just keep right on running until I get home and uh I'm not right now I just got through doing it so I'm a little bit out of breath I'm really not as winded as I would thought thought I was going to be
[speaker002:] oh a very appropriate topic then
[speaker001:] yes sure it was fantastic I think gosh I just got back got in from running and I thought well I'll place this call real quick
[speaker002:] yeah yeah
[speaker001:] but I have a little dog I run with so I'm and she's getting old I don't know if I probably not good for her but it's good for me
[speaker002:] I think it's probably as good for her anyway
[speaker001:] yeah I think so
[speaker002:] they're they're natural I do a lot of uh hunting
[speaker001:] oh do you
[speaker002:] and have a bird dog and I enjoy watching that dog run more than I do anything
[speaker001:] yeah aren't they pretty I not
[speaker002:] they are they're just beautiful and the native instinct that they have is just amazing to watch
[speaker001:] uh-huh is it a pointer or
[speaker002:] it's a setter um-hum
[speaker001:] setter yeah I think they're the prettiest
[speaker002:] yeah that's a good combination pet and hunting dog both
[speaker001:] I had a a Greyhound I was race I was running with but uh
[speaker002:] oh my you are ambitious
[speaker001:] he was I found I just I tried uh I finally had to give her back to the Greyhound Association she was just too big for me she she weighed seventy pounds and uh if she would run with me you know and stay with me but if she saw something she wanted if she wanted to get away she could have she would have drug me I mean when I walked with her people you know would laugh because she drug me when I tried to walk
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] and when I tried to run I was afraid she'd really take out running and just have and they can run I think uh forty miles an hour and uh gosh uh she got away from me a couple of times and so I'd rather run with a little Pekingese any old day they're my my more my style
[speaker002:] yeah are so you just run in your neighborhood
[speaker001:] yeah yeah I'm I'm too chicken to get out any place else
[speaker002:] yeah I do you belong to a health club
[speaker001:] no
[speaker002:] no I've I've done some of that and the YMCA and other types of things too uh
[speaker001:] oh have you
[speaker002:] I just don't enjoy running I I enjoy walking fast and with hand weights and things like that but
[speaker001:] yeah oh okay well that might be my I have a walking tape I use I bought me a little head set you know and a little walking tape which really helps but but I wanted to run for some reason and you know and I I didn't really think I could
[speaker002:] yeah uh-huh
[speaker001:] because I I remember years ago when I tried my side would hurt real bad and everything but I I'm on a health kick I've decided uh my cholesterol was high and my triglyceride's high so I've I've uh done that and I'm on uh I everybody says I don't need to lose weight but I feel I must so I'm going to try to lose ten pounds and I've lost four of it so I'm really
[speaker002:] oh good yeah running there's no question that running will will get your attention as far as uh weight control but
[speaker001:] yeah and I do it every night except for I I do volunteer work at the hospital one night a week so I don't do it that night but the other uh six days a week I run
[speaker002:] hum do you run with anyone
[speaker001:] no just my dog
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] I had a neighbor across the street that was going with me but she can't run because she said her ankles hurt or her knees or something and so I uh what I do I'll walk with her up the top hill and let her take my dog and then I run home
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] if she's home she's a flight attendant so she's not home very often and so when she's home I run with her but her walk with her but
[speaker002:] but do you do you have that feeling of boredom sometimes in running or
[speaker001:] I would if I didn't have this radio on my head
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] I I think I in fact I haven't been using my walking tape since I've been running I've been using just my radio and if I didn't have that to go but I have to what I do is I have to set goals for myself I say okay I'm going to make it to the end of that block and then when I get there I'm going okay I've got to make I just go a block at a time
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] if I didn't I I I don't think I could make it and I need feel that running you know three and four mile I don't think I could do it I could you know I a mile is real and it may not even be a mile I'm running it feels it looks like a mile to me but it may not be
[speaker002:] um well you ought to get in the car and measure it one day
[speaker001:] yeah I think I think I will this weekend I but I'm almost afraid to I'm afraid that it's oh all this for nothing you know
[speaker002:] oh
[speaker001:] I could go a little bit further but I just don't you know golly I'm not a spring chicken any more and I don't want to have to my daughter got after me she said now you are taking identification with you and I said no I'm just in the neighborhood she says well mother what if a car should jump the the road and hit you or what if you stumbled and fell and knocked yourself out and they wouldn't know who you were
[speaker002:] your your daughter is wise we had a
[speaker001:] I said well she is smart you know
[speaker002:] we had a friend uh who was jogging and passed out and collapsed and had a heart attack and fell over and they took him to the hospital and it took a while to to find out who he was and where
[speaker001:] oh yeah um-hum yeah I realized she was right after that so now I uh I carry a little ID with me that shows who I where I live anyway and I put my daughter's telephone number for emergencies so
[speaker002:] um-hum yeah you know Nancy I think there are a lot of uh people now who are paying more attention to uh physical fitness and I think it's a good idea yeah I
[speaker001:] oh I do too and I go religiously for a check up every year and uh my triglycerides were three hundred and sixty five now this what makes me mad I'm I I don't eat beef I don't use salt I watch my diet all the time and I uh it was three sixty five it's supposed to be a hundred and fifty my cholesterol was two hundred and thirty five well I've gotten that down to a hundred and ninety and my triglycerides have come down to two seventy three but they told me that it takes about three months for triglycerides to come down so it's coming down and
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and I think this and exercise and really watching your diet does it I've been on that diet that what's that Tommy Lasorda thing uh diet
[speaker002:] oh uh yeah I know what you um-hum
[speaker001:] ultra fast ultra slim ultra yeah slim fast that's it I've been doing that and it's not too bad uh I don't need
[speaker002:] right have you tried niacin
[speaker001:] huh
[speaker002:] have you tried niacin
[speaker001:] no but I'll tell you what I'm doing I'm doing the uh omega fish fish oil calcium lecithin lecithin
[speaker002:] um-hum oat bran
[speaker001:] uh vitamin B6
[speaker002:] have you tried oat bran
[speaker001:] no but I'll that's my next step I'm
[speaker002:] okay my wife uh went on that on a very strict basis and it really brought everything down um-hum
[speaker001:] uh-huh did it well they they say that the nurse at works said the uh the fish oil would uh bring it down and the lecithin is supposed to bring your cholesterol down
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] so and my doctor really was more concerned with uh my triglycerides but he said well my God Nancy no wonder you you have high triglycerides look how look how your weight's jumped and it jumped seven pounds in one year I'm you'd think I was I'm a a size eight I said that's not fat I know you know logically that is not fat but I do realize I need to to lose some weight but
[speaker002:] um-hum well I think keeping in in physical shape helps the mental shape too
[speaker001:] oh I do too absolutely and I feel so much better about myself when I you know get into good shape when I lived in Orlando I went to weight watchers and I I went from a size twelve to a size six in three months
[speaker002:] yeah do you play tennis or golf or anything
[speaker001:] no I'm not real sporty
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] years ago I used to play tennis but I'm so bad I ended up you know just chasing the ball all the time I'd like to do tennis again but uh
[speaker002:] but yeah I enjoy that and that and I I think I use that as a phase of of my exercise program yeah
[speaker001:] well that's good exercise do you exercise uh do you play tennis very often
[speaker002:] uh when it gets warm yes yes
[speaker001:] oh do you now see I'll quit running when it gets warm when it gets hot I know there's no way I'll get out in that heat and run or even walk
[speaker002:] right oh
[speaker001:] I'll probably balloon up
[speaker002:] early morning and late evening
[speaker001:] yeah it'll it'll have to be well you know
[speaker002:] early morning is a good time
[speaker001:] I know but then you have to go to work all uh I shower at night but I I may just have to change my schedule yeah early in the morning about five in the morning five thirty in the morning when it first gets
[speaker002:] yeah uh-huh oh very very comfortable then right
[speaker001:] isn't yeah that's what I'll have to do and I'm really scared to go out at night after dark
[speaker002:] oh yes yes
[speaker001:] I not in this day and time and you know when I grew up it was different but nowadays you I wouldn't I I'm not foolish enough to do that
[speaker002:] well I see people with mace and and other things
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] is that is that your dog calling you to go running again
[speaker001:] yes she doesn't like me on the telephone she's so jealous
[speaker002:] okay
[speaker001:] so well it's been nice talking to you and uh
[speaker002:] it certainly has and good luck keep it up
[speaker001:] you too bye-bye
[speaker002:] bye |
[speaker001:] uh okay all right I'll start uh funding
[speaker002:] well I guess you could go first perhaps on this one
[speaker001:] I think that in light of the seriousness of it of the fact that that uh by what uh I think they said by the year two thousand there'll be at least five is it five thousand a year or more
[speaker002:] is that what it is statistically
[speaker001:] uh yeah will be dying from it and I know uh what is it uh over in Africa it's just already in horrendous uh
[speaker002:] right truly an epidemic
[speaker001:] yeah it really is so in light of that I think that that we're probably going to have to increase the funding for research I think that uh I don't know if they have it but it looks like to me that all the countries could go together and have like a joint AIDS research program I don't know if they already have one of those where everybody could put in their input
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum do you know if that exists today in a cross country kind of collective
[speaker001:] I don't know I don't know I don't I don't hear about research that much except in the terms of what the United States is doing and the celebrities that show you know the benefits and things that they put on for AIDS research I do I did hear about uh
[speaker002:] uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker001:] Africa and um how rampant it is over there
[speaker002:] yes
[speaker001:] and I know uh in talking to I have a relative that works for uh state welfare in Oklahoma the AIDS children that are coming in with it
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] uh it I mean it it's it's tragic it's just absolutely horrible and it's you know it's not just homosexuals it's you know heterosexuals it's you know the drug users it's
[speaker002:] exactly
[speaker001:] innocent people that you know go in for blood transfusions so I mean it's starting to affect everyone
[speaker002:] do you think that the visibility um is part of what is keeping it in the limelight the fact that the funding sources are being discussed so so regularly um is because um of the nature of the disease the fact that it's such a terrible way to die and so on
[speaker001:] I think that probably partly is it I think that it is has received so much more publicity since we have had well-known actors athletes
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] everything coming down with it I think that uh I do agree with someone when uh Magic Johnson announced uh there was a uh spokesman spokesperson for the gay community that came out and said that you know it would not be receiving this much publicity if it wasn't for someone like Magic Johnson and it would be you know very interesting to see
[speaker002:] it's true it's a different level of publicity um-hum
[speaker001:] that's right that's right and I think it it I think it makes people more aware that it hits other than just the gay community and uh
[speaker002:] sure
[speaker001:] but I do think that that in light of the fact that it's going to hit all of us I think what are they saying by the year two thousand I think it's one in three is supposed to have it you know it it because it it is it's spreading so rapidly
[speaker002:] um-hum I agree with you I do believe that there should be a greater amount of uh funding sources set aside for it but I I know that the visibility of it is part of what's causing it to get this attention now and I would hope that the emphasis would continue over the long term I mean I'm surprised to see the numbers of um people who for example who women who have breast cancer and have died are even greater than the number of people who who have died from AIDS
[speaker001:] oh I didn't realize that
[speaker002:] on on a regular basis that the statistics are higher and yet it's such a benign kind of a thing it seems like it's been with us for a long time and it's such a
[speaker001:] well it is I know that I I heard another conversation regarding AIDS the fact that that you know cancer is not receiving this and yet is is cancer growing at such a rapid rate
[speaker002:] that may be the other issue that it's it's it's reaching epidemic proportions and we have
[speaker001:] you know it it you know and I think that's what is scaring people is that it is reaching such epidemic proportions you know where
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] is is cancer on the rising is it rising as rapidly
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] you know as for instance AIDS you know uh it
[speaker002:] yes and I don't know that it may not be
[speaker001:] I don't I don't know either you know it's it's just uh and granted I I do think that because of the publicity and because of the people you know getting it and everything I think that that people are more aware of it than you know say if you know someone just dies with cancer which is it's a tragic way
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker001:] I mean you know it's tragic that it's that way
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum I I look at the community resources that were dedicated to um those with cancer in terms of transitional living environments and um volunteer services and those sorts of things |
[speaker001:] Laurie?
[speaker002:] Yes.
[speaker001:] Okay. I'm supposed to ask you, how do you make use of your credit cards and I'm supposed to compare those with my, my habits.
[speaker002:] Okay. How do I make use of credit cards?
[speaker001:] Yes.
[speaker002:] Um, let's see. I carry a lot of credit cards with me mostly because I don't ever have cash.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] And I don-, I, do you work for Texas Instruments?
[speaker001:] No, I do not.
[speaker002:] Okay. Well, at T I we have to use what's called a tex teller
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] if we want to get cash out and those are only available at T I.
[speaker001:] Oh, okay.
[speaker002:] So if I'm in a mall or something I can't get cash out without paying extra money so I'm always using credit cards.
[speaker001:] Sure. Well, myself I always, tr-, I'm, I'm a traveling person
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and I'm out of town quite a bit so I use credit cards quite a lot also as far as everything from service work and gasoline in my car to my lounging, entertainment and for everything.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh. Yeah, me too.
[speaker001:] So that's, uh, as far as using them outside that I'm not, I don't use them too much but I, I think my wife is sort of like you she uses a credit card,
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] most of the time.
[speaker002:] Yeah [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] So she does most of the shopping for our household so she'll use them more than I will.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh. But do you get to pay the bills?
[speaker001:] Yes.
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER] Same at my house [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] So it's me I'm always, I'm the guy [LAUGHTER] that always goes to like Dillard's and I'll go in and charge something and I'll have to give them my driver's license. They'll have to look up the number because I'm never carrying a credit card.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh. Yeah.
[speaker001:] But I do carry like my American Express and my Visa which I use for, you know, primarily work type things.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh. Yeah.
[speaker001:] This is my first call by the way, so [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Oh, it's mine too.
[speaker001:] Oh, is it really?
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER] Yes.
[speaker001:] All right so we're both beginners then.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] I've had this for a couple weeks and I've been out of town so this is my first time to,
[speaker002:] Oh, okay.
[speaker001:] to use it.
[speaker002:] Okay.
[speaker001:] So,
[speaker002:] Now, did you pick this topic or were you given?
[speaker001:] No, I was given this topic.
[speaker002:] I see. Okay.
[speaker001:] Yeah, they give you, they assign you a topic, you call the eight hundred number,
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] Have you tried it yet?
[speaker002:] No [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Okay. When you call the eight hundred number, they assign you a topic and, uh, pretty, uh, cut and dried [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Huh, okay. Um, let's see. So how long are we supposed to talk for?
[speaker001:] I'm not sure. A couple, about two minu-, three minutes I think.
[speaker002:] Okay.
[speaker001:] But I really don't have too much more to say in regards to credit cards. I, one thing I've always tried to do is when I get my credit cards, I always try to pay them off because I just sort of detest paying interest.
[speaker002:] Oh, yes.
[speaker001:] And, uh,
[speaker002:] Definitely.
[speaker001:] like years ago my wife and I got married
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] she was the one with a little bit than I was because I had my credit cards, I think, up to the limit and I was giving [LAUGHTER] everyone ten dollars a month and everything like that.
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER] Oh. That will cost you a fortune.
[speaker001:] That was like thirty years ago so now it's a little different. We, I get a bill and I'll pay it the same day it comes in.
[speaker002:] Yes, yes.
[speaker001:] Or at least I try to, and I just kind of tell my kids how much I hate paying interest so they should follow the same rule.
[speaker002:] That's right. Well, yeah, if you pay it that way it, I mean, it really is, it's like getting a free loan for a while.
[speaker001:] Oh, you bet it's ju-,
[speaker002:] Which is what I do.
[speaker001:] it's an absolute savings.
[speaker002:] Or if you travel for work and you get your reimbursement before the bill comes in,
[speaker001:] You bet.
[speaker002:] you get to [LAUGHTER] keep the money.
[speaker001:] That's, that's very handy.
[speaker002:] Yeah. It works great.
[speaker001:] Well, I think that's all I have.
[speaker002:] Okay. Well, it was nice to meet you.
[speaker001:] Nice to meet you and, uh, give it a try. I think you'll enjoy it.
[speaker002:] Okay.
[speaker001:] Okay.
[speaker002:] Thanks.
[speaker001:] Thank you.
[speaker002:] Bye-bye.
[speaker001:] Bye. |
[speaker001:] I've kind of gotten out of the habit of doing this. It's been down this weekend.
[speaker002:] [T V in background] Well, I haven't tried, but this is, I haven't called in a couple of days, but education in public schools. I have a son who's graduating, uh, in May, and there's some interesting problems of, of, of how d-, you, how do you challenge the kids today. And I have some real hang-ups. I think that, uh, if your, if your kid's not ambitious, he can sure get lost.
[speaker001:] In the school systems?
[speaker002:] Yes.
[speaker001:] That's right. What school system does he go to?
[speaker002:] In North Garland, he goes t-,
[speaker001:] Okay.
[speaker002:] What school system are you familiar with?
[speaker001:] Okay, my children go to Garland, and I teach in Dallas.
[speaker002:] Y-, oh, okay, well, I have a daughter that's in the, in,
[speaker001:] And my husband teaches with Plano.
[speaker002:] in the I B program at Garland.
[speaker001:] In the what?
[speaker002:] In the, are you familiar with the International Baccalaureate program.
[speaker001:] Well, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[speaker002:] Uh, do your kids go to Garland High, you said?
[speaker001:] No, no, they're still in elementary.
[speaker002:] Oh, okay.
[speaker001:] So, yeah.
[speaker002:] Well, there's a, it's, um, she went from Austin Academy when it opened up,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] over to, uh, to North Garland for ninth grade. But at North Garland, the, the difficulty I see with the education system is that, uh, is that, you can, you can, you can get some masses, but unless, if the kid's really dedicated, it seems like they do all right. But if, if, if your child is just pressing along, uh, I, I'm firmly convinced that teachers aren't being paid enough. Would you, argue with that?
[speaker001:] I'm definitely not, are you kidding? [sniffing] No.
[speaker002:] Well you know the, the, the thing that I don't see, and maybe you would take issue with it is that if, if we went to, if there was an opportunity for teachers to teach year around.
[speaker001:] No, I want that [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Well would,
[speaker001:] I think it would be better for the teachers and for the children, because we would do away with so much of the burn-out that we have. I know when you get the kids that have gone the summer being out of school, then it's like they've lost so much ground, we spend at least the first six weeks just backing up, reteaching what they had the year before. You know.
[speaker002:] Well how do we accom-, how do we get that?
[speaker001:] Well, we're starting pilot schools. It's a-, Dallas is doing it I know. I think Plano, don't they have some, and Richardson's supposed to start some pilot schools, going to school year around.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] And then we, you know, we investigated this by flying some people out from Dallas to observe some of the schools in California that already had it.
[speaker002:] Does it work well out there?
[speaker001:] Yeah, it seems to, and one thing, it'll save us money, because we've got the buildings sitting there, right, and we might as well use them.
[speaker002:] Well, what about the, what about the issue of air conditioning. Isn't that a s-, an area of concern in the cost of air conditioning?
[speaker001:] Well, air conditioning, what's, and, and heating.
[speaker002:] Oh, yeah.
[speaker001:] Isn't air conditioning less than heating, because we have to, just up like, if we get in the thirties, we raise it up to the seventies, right, that's forty degrees.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Isn't it less?
[speaker002:] Yeah, it's, it's less degree days, you're right. But I think, I think,
[speaker001:] And it's not like the kids are going to go a lot longer, really, if you go year around
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] there's not thirty days difference.
[speaker002:] W-, well how do they do it? Do they put, uh, long, do they put two or three week breaks between?
[speaker001:] There's different ways to do it. Like I, I think going two six weeks and then having two, two weeks off, each after a two six weeks period is one way.
[speaker002:] Is that, from, from what you've seen, is that the desirable way to do it?
[speaker001:] See, I don't know, because I've never seen it in action.
[speaker002:] Oh, you said you had some people from California. Oh I thought you,
[speaker001:] No, the school system in Dallas has sent people there
[speaker002:] Oh, okay.
[speaker001:] to do that. No.
[speaker002:] But you didn't go.
[speaker001:] But I think I'd like it, and I know a lot of teachers that would like to try it.
[speaker002:] Well, the, the other issue has to, that I hear that the local commentator I listen to some the idea that the numbers of administration and the fact that the principal, do you see that the principals aren't really in charge?
[speaker001:] The principal's, their t-, hands are tied, by all the administrators, and I heard that in Dallas, it's one out of every three is actually in the classroom of the educators that were hired [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Well I had heard that one of the comments when they, when they brought it,
[speaker001:] It's just, you don't even know who all your bosses are. It's ridiculous.
[speaker002:] Um. Then why the, the one they brought in, the new superintendent for Dallas schools, the admini-, um, can't think of his name, but the idea
[speaker001:] Marvin Edwards.
[speaker002:] yeah, that he had suggested that, that maybe they could reduce the number of administrators and, and some of the people who were administrators saying, that, that, uh, that's not what he was hired for. But they resented the fact that he would try to save some costs there.
[speaker001:] Well, you know he did, supposedly cut administrators, but what they've done is create other offices for those same people, and just rehi-, renamed their jobs
[speaker002:] Um.
[speaker001:] and, you know, opened up n-, other n-, other things. One thing we've got going is called reading and initiative, and they've hired all these administrators in on that, you know.
[speaker002:] Well, you know, the other thing that bothers me is the amount of money that it tak-, that it took to contest the, the football, um, issue.
[speaker001:] Pass or no fail, what is it?
[speaker002:] Yeah but the
[speaker001:] No play.
[speaker002:] I can't think of the name of the school,
[speaker001:] No play.
[speaker002:] that, that, uh, but in any event they, they, they kept arguing.
[speaker001:] Carter High School.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] And they went to court, I mean, i-, you know, guess I, I'm sympathetic with the kids, but, but how much money did that cost Dallas to, to, to fight that in court.
[speaker001:] And all the things that Dallas fights, costs thousands, probably millions of dollars, I bet you.
[speaker002:] But just think of all the, the, all the lawyers you've kept employed, see.
[speaker001:] Yeah, I know.
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] And psychologists [LAUGHTER] and stuff.
[speaker002:] That's right,
[speaker001:] That's right.
[speaker002:] and, and all these other people are out running around. I guess that's the only problem with jobs being relatively scarce, so. But you need to keep all these people employed, right?
[speaker001:] No, we do not.
[speaker002:] And, and [LAUGHTER],
[speaker001:] No [LAUGHTER],
[speaker002:] You mean, you mean, we need a little more of our tax money, like maybe, uh,
[speaker001:] We need more of the tax money to actually get down to the students, because it's pretty frustrating when you see you don't even have paper, and [LAUGHTER] you're trying to ration it, you know, now that's sad, when there's supposed to be what, you know, one thousand, what, sixty-five dollars, something like that, spent on each pupil.
[speaker002:] Yeah. .
[speaker001:] Um, it's, it's wrong. Anyway, I was thinking about [sniffing] one thing that's wrong with schools is that we're not teaching to the children's modalities, and I think in nineteen, uh, ninety-three we're supposed to begin that. If, if a child is a visual learner, we're supposed to present him with all these visual things, and if he has to learn just by kinesthetic, we're supposed to teach whatever way that that child has to have it, learns the best way. And that's going to be quite a problem.
[speaker002:] Oh that's,
[speaker001:] But if we could do something like that I'm sure it would certainly help.
[speaker002:] Um, that's interesting, and how many administrators is that going to take?
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] I don't know, no telling, I don't know. And, you know, at nongraded schools. They've had one in Gladewater for years and years and years. If we could just let these kids go at their own rate. I have children even, I, I teach Chapter One, and it's for kids that have fallen behind in their reading according to, like I T B S scores.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] And some of the kids, really they shouldn't be in there, and they're, you know, they're not being challenged, and they're not being challenged in their home, and we always have to teach toward the middle of the road.
[speaker002:] Yeah, well, that's, that's part of where my son is, um, would like to go to Rice, but I don't think he's, well, the, the difficulty is, is, is the people that get in are, are, are overachievers.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And he's not an overachiever. But the same time, everybody can't go, but it, the question of, of, you know, of how far should you take a kid in the motivation, I'm not sure, I think maybe there's too much responsibility put on the teachers to motivate these kids. I had a, a friend that was administrator in Richardson said if the parents read books, then the kids probably would read books.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] But that a lot of the schools I would think the kids you're talking to, question of, of how much reading do those kids' parents do.
[speaker001:] My children's parents aren't even there at night most of the time
[speaker002:] Well.
[speaker001:] to do anything with them.
[speaker002:] Well, but that's the point, as I would say, uh
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] and that is, that's what makes, there's a lot of problems. But anyway, um, I'm trying to think how much longer. I had a conversation, week or so ago and we got carried away, and they cut, it beeps in at ten minutes. So.
[speaker001:] I know it, I know it [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER] So anyway.
[speaker001:] I went for a couple and I didn't know that there was even a cut off or anything. Oh another things that's wrong with schools, this is big, [LAUGHTER] there's too much emphasis on test. We're spending the first hour of every day teaching for the test at my school, and we're going to do that until at least the first part of May.
[speaker002:] Huh. Well see, that's in the Garland schools, the numbers, they, I don't think they have to do that because most everybody passes.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] But see, they're not in Dallas.
[speaker002:] Well, opportunity, right? [LAUGHTER] If you get graded on percent improvement. But see, that.
[speaker001:] Yeah, we're not working with the same type of students
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] that most of these kids in Garland are.
[speaker002:] And unfortunately, the, uh, that's, that's tough, that's a real challenge though. But, uh.
[speaker001:] But see, what we're doing is we're turning these kids off to school even more than they are.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] And we're not teaching toward the test, we're teaching, you know, I always objected, you know, it's like there's not a whole lot of, you know, fun time like we used to have in school. Like our principal says, I want every child to be on task all the time.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] And you can't do that as adults. But we're expecting kids to. And like after, after recess, play
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] we don't get that. Okay.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] If they finish before their thirty minutes is up, then they can go out and play for like maybe five or ten minutes, probably be the most.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] But we always got that, didn't you? [Loud dish clanging noises.]
[speaker002:] Well, yeah, you know, our s-, son had that, he was, had an attention deficit disorder, and they were keeping him from recess and in reality that's, uh, that's one of those really tough situations. I think the kids need some time to play.
[speaker001:] Yeah. [Dishes clanging.]
[speaker002:] But, people like, if more people like you though that understand the problems get in and and change some education so. Uh, I got some background noise there but I guess [TV]... |
[speaker002:] well I guess I don't have as much time for hobbies as I used to
[speaker001:] what is your hobby isn't that the truth
[speaker002:] uh I got two young boys uh four and two so I spend a lot of time with them but uh whenever the weather's nice and uh we can get out I like to work in the garden a little bit uh
[speaker001:] get that mud up in your fingernails yeah yeah I know how it goes
[speaker002:] yeah yeah you know that's pretty relaxing to me like this
[speaker001:] oh hey I tell you what getting outdoors is wonderful I do too my wife always gets mad at me for doing it so much because she says you know I always come in so hot and sweaty and tired I said yeah but I love it but for my you know my hobby believe it or not is really a collection I I collect Mickey Mouse
[speaker002:] really
[speaker001:] and I it is a full time hobby of going out there and finding things to to add to the collection I got well over two thousand Mickey Mouse items so that's that's my hobby
[speaker002:] wow that's great
[speaker001:] uh at one time and this is about fifteen years ago I actually uh got some uh what do you call it uh
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] uh plywood board and I made some Christmas cut out figures that I put in the yard and I mean they
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] everyone always talks about you know where'd I buy them and I keep telling them but I didn't buy them I I made them you know and they stood there now for some fifteen years so uh and that in itself was a lot of fun you know but I've never worked with a jig saw before but it sure did work you know
[speaker002:] wow that's pretty neat yeah
[speaker001:] and I guess the other hobby that I did at one time I don't do anymore is good old needlepointing and uh that was my wife's hobby and
[speaker002:] hm I see
[speaker001:] so I picked it up and I did some stuff and I entered it into the state fair and I won a couple ribbons and said well okay but for some reason it just didn't really catch my thing but my hobby of collecting Mickey Mouse
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] I think I've got the disease now
[speaker002:] now that you have more and more time on your hands right
[speaker001:] true true but I don't know you know it's you you're right though uh with the kids and I now have a six year old I don't have as much time for the hobbies as I used to
[speaker002:] what yeah yeah I know what you mean they take up all my time now I'm kind of looking forward to the time when uh they're a little bit older and they can get out and you know get a little more active in sports and
[speaker001:] well at this point my kid is six years old the we just finished our first season of flag football and daddy had a ball now I don't know if he had a good time but I had a great time and
[speaker002:] ah
[speaker001:] so I look you know more forward to that I guess maybe that stage of my life I I don't have enough time to do hobbies but I do have enough time to to play with the kids and that's what I wanna do
[speaker002:] yeah me too I'm I'm really I can't wait for that time I really can't wait
[speaker001:] uh I took them out to a a a little T-ball and that that that worked out real nice
[speaker002:] it
[speaker001:] he he enjoyed it uh I'm not sure that he understood what was going on but you know
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] but at six years old I I think they're still a little bit young
[speaker002:] yeah see my oldest is four
[speaker001:] but the but flag football he picked up that real quick he loved it
[speaker002:] really that that's great
[speaker001:] yeah and daddy loved it too I mean
[speaker002:] that's pretty good yeah mine's um uh just now has started getting into well you know like all the other little little young kids he was up on the Turtles and stuff but now he's trying to get into Robin Hood
[speaker001:] ah
[speaker002:] and so we're gonna get him some one of those Nerf Robin Hood bow and arrow things
[speaker001:] well I'm going to be doing for this Christmas uh I'm buying him a uh swing set which includes a fort and everything else
[speaker002:] uh-huh oh
[speaker001:] and they say it only takes thirteen hours to build I'm thinking uh-huh so I have a feeling I might find myself with a full time hobby I've got a uh a fence builder who's gonna come over there to help me so
[speaker002:] oh that's good
[speaker001:] hopefully between the two of us we can figure out how to put that sucker together
[speaker002:] yeah yeah it always always helps to get somebody to help you out
[speaker001:] got oh yes the the swing set that we have a little Jim Dandy uh made out of metal is okay but he's much too big for that and his imagination's much bigger so we we've got the monkey bars and the fort and you know it goes on and on and on
[speaker002:] hm uh-huh yeah wow yeah yeah whenever uh um every now and then I'll take mine to the park and they like to play on all of that stuff that's at the park and and it's like you said it's got the fort and you know it's the whole works
[speaker001:] oh yes um-hum
[speaker002:] made out of wood
[speaker001:] and and now who knows maybe the kids in the neighborhood will wanna come to his house to play you know so
[speaker002:] he always goes over their houses huh
[speaker001:] uh right now we always do because he says there's nothing to play with at our house so well okay so I'd like to have my turn to be able to invite the kids because I I don't know about you but I love having the kids around it's fun
[speaker002:] yeah uh there aren't too many right now actually mine are the oldest on our block uh the other ones are at least a year to two years younger so ours is a a block of pretty young kids right now
[speaker001:] ah uh I think in my neighborhood there's about two or three at the same age but most of them are about two or three years older so mine my a little bit younger so but oh well he'll he'll he'll get there
[speaker002:] oh I see I see yeah I wanna know this side of it and and they do they do tend to congregate around our house and and you know I never really thought about that much either all the little ones come over and they kind of hang around our front yard but uh
[speaker001:] so so I guess the bottom line conclusion is take |
[speaker001:] okay
[speaker002:] lead on
[speaker001:] um drug testing doesn't bother me
[speaker002:] doesn't bother you
[speaker001:] no uh I've been drug tested twice at TI and it doesn't bother me uh
[speaker002:] well we differ there it bothers me
[speaker001:] why why does it bother you
[speaker002:] I just feel like it's an invasion invasion of my privacy you know I you know there's a lot alcohol for example I can go out and drink on the weekends and come in hung over and do a lot worse job than if I go out on Friday and I don't know say take take a hit of Ecstasy and dance all night not saying that I do but I'm just
[speaker001:] I know I understand uh
[speaker002:] I think alcohol's a a whole lot worse drug and it's more widely accepted
[speaker001:] well that's true I I agree that there should be something done about people that drink alcohol because I'm sure that there's people that drink and come to work especially on a second shift or third shift so uh I agree with you there but it just uh and it and it probably is an invasion of privacy
[speaker002:] I I feel like it's okay if there's if there's cause somebody's performance is you know indicates indicates that they're they're obviously not all there they're
[speaker001:] do yeah okay
[speaker002:] you know you got reason to suspect they may be doing drugs and he says sure you know take them down there and test them but I think a lot of people are going to go out and you know substitute something else for maybe what they would have done a lot of people I don't I personally don't smoke pot but a lot of people do and they do it in their own time at their at their at their own place and they're going to find they're going to go out and drink instead because they know that it's their job on the line
[speaker001:] that's true
[speaker002:] and uh you know I've been I've come to work hung in the morning and I know I'm worthless
[speaker001:] feel bad yeah I don't drink anymore but I can remember
[speaker002:] but
[speaker001:] I can remember the you know there's nothing worse than a hangover I have to agree there nothing worse than a I can remember staying in bed a whole day from a hangover and not going to work but I that was years ago and I didn't work for TI so but you you know really and truly there's there's nothing worse than a hangover and you're right and you cannot perform well
[speaker002:] and the same is true of the drug hangover you know if you
[speaker001:] that's true
[speaker002:] but there's I think there's a there's a big difference between use and abuse and I do do agree that drug abuse should be punished but if somebody's going to in their own home on their own time in such a way that doesn't interfere interfere with their responsibilities you know do it do some drugs then that should be their business
[speaker001:] course through this I think that they've helped a lot of people also uh a lot of people have ended up going uh to treatment you know which is offered I think at most government places I know it is at TI do you work for TI
[speaker002:] yeah yeah I do
[speaker001:] okay well you know a lot of people have used that treatment and I center and that's probably been a good thing especially for cocaine abusers and stuff
[speaker002:] I think I think that's true and I think that the key thing is the difference between use and abuse and a lot of people don't they they don't know how to use drugs for recreational purposes without it becoming you know a dominant force in their life
[speaker001:] the drug can use you
[speaker002:] I mean yeah it's it's you know it's easy for me to say I'm going to go out on Friday night and maybe you know I don't have to work till Monday and if I want to go out and and drink a little beer or do something and just dance a lot or whatever that's fine as long as I realize Saturday that in order to you know I'm going to feel like crap that's just the way it is same thing if you drink but the thing is you don't get up and drink another beer to get over it
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and and unfortunately and I think cocaine's a a good example it's it's just so much easier to just do some more do some more and then before you know it you know you're you're always doing it
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] I don't know
[speaker001:] that's true that's true yep well
[speaker002:] I mean I I work for TI so I don't do drugs you know
[speaker001:] you can't I mean it and you just run the risk of
[speaker002:] right it's too big a risk yeah
[speaker001:] of of getting caught and of course the first time you get caught it's not that big a deal you have to go to treatment and that
[speaker002:] but you're without a paycheck during that time and I don't at least that's my understanding is even you know the first time you go for counseling and it's six weeks before you're back to work
[speaker001:] oh I didn't know they took you off the job
[speaker002:] I was that I was told that uh somebody had uh some woman had had a cold or something and had some cough medicine prescribed and her husband or maybe the other way around one of them anyway had uh come down with the same thing and used some of the medicine and was tested the next day and failed and was out of a job until he went through counseling and it's like you know I can't afford that kind of loss of income you know
[speaker001:] wow who can afford that my God I can't afford to miss a day let alone six
[speaker002:] I mean I've always been yeah the first time so what I'll go explain myself and and
[speaker001:] now I would have thought if he'd have brought in the prescription wife prescription and explained the situation that they might have let him off of that
[speaker002:] that's what you would think but I kind of I that's I you know I heard it through the grapevine so I don't I don't know firsthand but that's what I heard was that it was just
[speaker001:] they didn't okay yeah
[speaker002:] you know there there were no
[speaker001:] now see that I wouldn't agree with see see I think you got to be able to bend the rules a little bit here and there too without you know if if it's a case like that because look how many people take their husband's or their wife's medication you know but that's a really good example
[speaker002:] oh yeah you know you've got the same exact thing yeah
[speaker001:] yeah yeah and so I would think that either the doctor could get him off with that or or that they should listen I mean because I I just can't see that they would do some make somebody go to a rehab or whatever they go through because he took his wife's medicine that just doesn't sound right does it so it seems like they should be able to bend the rules oops excuse me a little bit on that but you but I don't know because I don't know anybody that's had to go through treatment or anything so I really don't know
[speaker002:] well I think I don't know anybody personally either
[speaker001:] you know
[speaker002:] I do know a lot of people that you know do use drugs recrela recreationally and there's such a big difference yeah I I don't know it's it's kind of I've also been you know known managers at TI I know one I guess I shouldn't make that a plural but uh who drank on the job had whiskey in his desk drawer and you tell me what's worse
[speaker001:] ooh
[speaker002:] you know
[speaker001:] oh that could have been his whole career down the tubes
[speaker002:] yeah but everybody covers up you know it's the good old boy thing I don't know
[speaker001:] so does alcohol show up in these tests
[speaker002:] I don't think so they don't test for it I mean
[speaker001:] so so it wouldn't show up yeah well it's not that's true see there's the there it is right there it's not illegal
[speaker002:] it's not illegal
[speaker001:] and drugs are illegal so I guess if they made drugs legal or marijuana legal then we the we wouldn't be going through this you know they wouldn't be testing which doesn't make any sense either because they say you know it has no place on the job and you can't work safely under the influence of drugs and stuff like that
[speaker002:] well that's true
[speaker001:] and so if it was made legal that doesn't make it any safer on the job
[speaker002:] no no I agree I think I believe in test for cause if if somebody's performance and I guess that there's the other argument is that well do you wait until they screw up you know and someone gets hurt
[speaker001:] get hurt yeah
[speaker002:] yeah but at the same time you know you're telling me that on some given day I'm going to walk in they're going to tell me go down and you know and go down to the health center and you know pee in a jar or whatever it is no I haven't and so
[speaker001:] have you had to do it yet oh gosh I was one of the first ones to go I think the with the January that they started it up I got called so I was one of the first ones but but you did you get tested when you got hired
[speaker002:] no see I was I've been working for TI for almost eight years
[speaker001:] okay so you were well I I got tested before I got hired too so but hum
[speaker002:] I have to I have to honestly say that I drink more now than I did because you know it's what I can get away with and if I'm going to go on the weekends spend my money and you know I if you don't drink you know you used to drink okay you go out and you want to party and that's that's something you do when you're young and dumb I guess
[speaker001:] you know I'm not young anymore
[speaker002:] I'm not as young as I used to be but I'm still
[speaker001:] I quit I quit drinking at oh a long time ago quit drinking I didn't smoke I don't smoke I gave everything up so I guess I don't know what just old age I guess is why I
[speaker002:] no I don't smoke I quit doing that and I've tried to quit drinking but it's the only thing left you know I quit doing drugs when TI said quit and it was no big deal you know it's like I wasn't a regular drug user but uh
[speaker001:] oh I have a lot of friends that just are uh smoke just you know occasional joint at a party or something you know and and I'm even afraid to be around it
[speaker002:] I I understand
[speaker001:] because I'm afraid what if it gets you know because you can inhale it if if you're if a room full of it
[speaker002:] I understand I was around somebody today outdoors and they're smoking and it's like you know I smell it and I'm like well is this going into my bloodstream you know is this is there going to be enough there to get me
[speaker001:] into my bloodstream yeah and with my luck there'd be the notice Monday you know go take your test and that would scare me
[speaker002:] get me in trouble so see it didn't use to bother me when I thought that you know if I come in there and they say okay you tested positive now explain yourself and I could say yeah well I was around some people that were smoking pot but I wasn't but you know it's the idea that
[speaker001:] how can you prove it
[speaker002:] you can't but at least you've got a chance whereas if they say for six weeks you don't have a job because you tested positive that you know that's that's devastating how you know I can't live without my income for six weeks there's no way
[speaker001:] no not many people could I go paycheck to paycheck barely
[speaker002:] exactly
[speaker001:] so
[speaker002:] so I don't know
[speaker001:] well this has been interesting
[speaker002:] yeah opposing viewpoints there
[speaker001:] but huh
[speaker002:] I said opposing viewpoints
[speaker001:] sort well sort of I mean I I agree with a lot of what you said
[speaker002:] for the most part |
[speaker001:] okay um capital punishment I I know that's kind of a touchy subject I I personally believe that there is a need for capital punishment um especially you know in some of the the real violent type murder and and crimes I feel like that it's a it's a justifiable punishment do you
[speaker002:] I certainly agree with that we have Dallas has now become one of the most crime oh our crime rate has just exceeded all
[speaker001:] oh
[speaker002:] possible goals or whatever and we keep coddling all of our our men or women incarcerated we have to have certain amount of space for them
[speaker001:] oh dear oh um-hum
[speaker002:] I'm with I think we just must keep this capital punishment and I don't believe keeping them on death row for four or five years is answering any of our problems
[speaker001:] um-hum I agree I think it just it jams up the system and you know we spend thousands and thousands of dollars keeping them there and
[speaker002:] that's right
[speaker001:] and I feel that yeah it's not fair to the public and it's it I think it's a terrible shame
[speaker002:] well it's not fair to the taxpayers
[speaker001:] that's right
[speaker002:] so um
[speaker001:] now do you have um what types of capital punishment do they use or in Texas what is legal
[speaker002:] um the lethal dose of uh you know slip in it I think they maybe should get back to courtyard hangings
[speaker001:] right uh-huh oh
[speaker002:] no no I don't really mean that but if people could see what was really happening
[speaker001:] oh
[speaker002:] I think it would deter this more than than going in with the needle and injecting them
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum now we in Utah they have uh either the firing squad or the lethal injection are the two methods that are that are used here and I know um not too long ago it's probably been two or three years now that um one of the people chose to die by the firing squad and and I well I think that was the last one that died here was by the firing squad and um so I know those are the two forms of punishment they use now but you know just the other day we had a uh man that was on death row for for killing his sister-in-law and her fifteen month old baby and then they came just two days ago and and said that something had not been done right with the trial and so now they've they've just have have to start all over again go through the same process all over again and oh I think that's ridiculous I just
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] what a waste of money and time and resources and you know oh
[speaker002:] that's right since our have you ever served on a jury
[speaker001:] no I have not
[speaker002:] that is one of the most um well I think everyone should at least once
[speaker001:] oh
[speaker002:] it was uh I've never been on capital punishment but um I wonder if these people were guilty until proven innocent if we would not gain or more from our attorneys
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum oh
[speaker002:] I don't know
[speaker001:] I don't know I I've been called to trial duty but I never they canceled it you know before I got there so I've never never had that
[speaker002:] yeah well it certainly is a responsibility
[speaker001:] yes
[speaker002:] but I think that uh we need to demand more from our attorneys when they withhold information we have three cases going here in Dallas now
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] two of them were murder the well finally the husband admitted to having smothered his wife even though he loved her dearly
[speaker001:] oh no oh
[speaker002:] so he goes up for forty years with with a possibility of being out in ten
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and the other man is charged with um poisoning his wife with arsenic
[speaker001:] oh no
[speaker002:] and it was a a apparently it went on over a year they're a very wealthy family
[speaker001:] oh uh-huh
[speaker002:] and uh oh it just
[speaker001:] boy
[speaker002:] it it you know
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] you wonder why why this happens
[speaker001:] yes well I don't know about your situation there but here in Utah they're we're having to build new prisons because there is no place to put to put these inmates they're just the prisons are so full and so we're spending more and more money building new ones when when all these you know inmates are on death row and
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] that's just you know
[speaker002:] well we let our our previous governor wanted to put a tent uh you know just build
[speaker001:] oh |
[speaker001:] Well, do you watch much T V?
[speaker002:] Well, I watch in the evening with my kids [TV].
[speaker001:] Your kids. How many kids do you have?
[speaker002:] I have four children.
[speaker001:] Oh, goodness.
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] I have got two.
[speaker002:] Well,
[speaker001:] That is about all I want [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Yeah, it keeps you busy, doesn't it?
[speaker001:] Yeah, they do. They are still babies.
[speaker002:] Uh, my children like to watch SESAME STREET. I watch with them every once in a while, but that is not my favorite programs.
[speaker001:] Oh, well. We have only get two channels. We do not have cable.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] But I am not crazy about T V much. It just, well it kind of is an idiot box. Now SESAME STREET is a good program
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] because, uh, I do have that on videotape, and I will let him watch that every once in a while. And he has learned to count to twenty from that. So,
[speaker002:] Yeah. It can be very
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] educational. There are shows th-, that I like. Uh, I like good family shows,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] uh, though. Uh, I let my kids watch things like LITTLE HOUSE ON THE PRAIRIE.
[speaker001:] Okay.
[speaker002:] And the COSBY SHOW is, uh, is, uh, kind of unrealistic as a family unless you live in upper class and have money.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] I think that sometimes the things they show on there though, uh, the problems that their kids get into, are, are good to, uh, show that they do have problems anyway.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] Uh,
[speaker001:] But they also have a lot easier time disciplining their kids than real people do.
[speaker002:] Yeah. I mean, like I said, real life is not that easy.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] And, uh, I watch a show that I like i-, for entertainment. Uh, it is called the QUANTUM LEAP.
[speaker001:] Oh, I love QUANTUM LEAP.
[speaker002:] I watch that show every time,
[speaker001:] Um, yes.
[speaker002:] and, uh,
[speaker001:] That is a good show.
[speaker002:] I, I like, uh, how the, how he has to help with the people that he, that he becomes.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Uh, because it is not a show that he just becomes these people and then he lives there for a while and then he is gone.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] He has to do something positive to help them.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] So I,
[speaker001:] He always got to change history is what it is.
[speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah.
[speaker001:] Usually, yeah.
[speaker002:] It,
[speaker001:] That it is so good. I was glad when they put that back on this channel,
[speaker002:] Me too, me too.
[speaker001:] because like I said, we only get two channels because we do not get cable.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And still my little boy, he watches videotapes. He won't, um, this is terrible, I do not like him sitting in front of the T V all day.
[speaker002:] No, that is not terrible.
[speaker001:] Well,
[speaker002:] I do not think that is terrible at all.
[speaker001:] It, but it is a not really a good baby sitter [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER] Well,
[speaker001:] It is really not. He needs to get outside and play. And he is four years old, and he just does not like to go out there by himself. And I will let him watch the T V when I am wanting to get my house work done.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] But other than that, I do not like him glued to the T V all the time.
[speaker002:] Well, I do not think it is, it is healthy all the time either.
[speaker001:] Huh-uh.
[speaker002:] Uh, and my kids like to, to go play with their friends, and so I guess I do not mind too much when they do watch a little bit. Now I, there are shows, I do not have cable either. And there are shows that I really put my foot down on. If there starts to be a lot of violence,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] I do not go for that. I will not let them watch that. If
[speaker001:] Well, we made the mis-,
[speaker002:] there is a lot of language or,
[speaker001:] Right. We made the mistake of getting ROBOCOP. And that is one of the worst, oh, I do not let him watch it anymore. Because
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] the, the pieces, like especially where they kill somebody, it is just not good. I mean it is just real violent. I mean,
[speaker002:] Well, it, [sigh] you know, today I watched, and it is like they show bloody,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] you know, things, and they show it in slow motion. And,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and everything like that. And before, in a western or something, in the, in the olden days,
[speaker001:] You would see somebody get shot, they would just fall down.
[speaker002:] Yeah. And they were gone [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] And, and it was not, uh,
[speaker001:] So graphic.
[speaker002:] not like today. Uh,
[speaker001:] Today it is, it is really graphic. They try to make
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] it too realistic.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] And,
[speaker002:] Too much realism I think,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] sometimes. I don't,
[speaker001:] Now he is watching HONEY, I SHRUNK THE KIDS right now.
[speaker002:] Oh, that is a fun show.
[speaker001:] It is, it is cute.
[speaker002:] Oh, I really
[speaker001:] And that,
[speaker002:] like that one.
[speaker001:] little ROGER RABBIT on before that.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] That is cute. And they have got THE HE MAN, uh,
[speaker002:] The cartoon or the,
[speaker001:] MASTERS OF THE UNIVERSE, the
[speaker002:] Oh, uh-huh.
[speaker001:] movie. That is a real cute show.
[speaker002:] That has good moral values too.
[speaker001:] HE MAN?
[speaker002:] Uh-huh. Well, uh, I think, uh,
[speaker001:] Yeah, good versus evil.
[speaker002:] Yeah,
[speaker001:] Huh.
[speaker002:] yeah.
[speaker001:] Oh, well, it sounds like we have the same tapes for our kids anyway.
[speaker002:] Yeah. At least we have the same
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] ideas.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Yeah. Language too. A-, language and violence and sexual, y-, you know,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] things. I, I get kind of, uh, saying, "I am sorry kids, this is",
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] And I, I think it is important that I see what they are watching. If,
[speaker001:] Yeah. They do have like those parental control things on the, uh, remote controls. You know, where you can block out what channels you do not want them to watch.
[speaker002:] You mean in cable?
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Oh, I do not know, because I do not have that. But,
[speaker001:] Well, my, my, uh, stepfather and them have, my stepfather, my father-in-law, and them have that.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And, uh, they do not have any kids, but they was told how to use that. But still, when the kids get older, they learn how to break through that parental control.
[speaker002:] Oh, do they? [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Huh.
[speaker002:] They are too smart.
[speaker001:] I think alls you have to do is push a couple buttons.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] So, it is, it is, I am hoping that he will grow up not really caring much for those movies because, now we have got a lot of western tapes.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] JOSEY WELLS, now he loves to watch JOSEY WELLS.
[speaker002:] Well, I think that is a good show too.
[speaker001:] Yeah,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Clint Eastwood.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And like THE MAN FROM SNOWY RIVER, we have, oh, my husband likes westerns. And he also likes STAR TREK. Now STAR TREK is good movies, good shows.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] The, uh, series? We have got a lot of those.
[speaker002:] Uh, I think not even the old one but the new one too. I like
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] both of those [child talking].
[speaker001:] THE NEXT GENERATION?
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] Yeah. My little boy is crazy about Captain Kirk.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] And my little girl has Mister Spock's ears [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Oh, d-, [LAUGHTER],
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] I told my husband he cursed my kids.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] They were both born with pointy ears.
[speaker002:] Oh, well.
[speaker001:] Not real pointy. My little boy grew out of it.
[speaker002:] Oh, that is not a problem anyway,
[speaker001:] No.
[speaker002:] but it is fun [LAUGHTER] to, you know, seeing the show anyway. Uh, now I like, uh, everything Mi-, oh, no, not Michael Douglas, um, oh, I can't think of his name.
[speaker001:] Kirk Douglas?
[speaker002:] No, the, the man, right now who is having, uh, who has done, uh, BONANZA, and then he did LITTLE HOUSE ON THE PRAIRIE.
[speaker001:] Oh, Michael Landon.
[speaker002:] Michael Landon. There you go, Michael
[speaker001:] Oh, now there,
[speaker002:] Landon. I have always liked
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] and thought he did good shows.
[speaker001:] Like HIGHWAY TO HEAVEN?
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] [Speaking to child] Here are some cookies, Kyle. [Resumes talking to Speaker B] Yeah, I liked HIGHWAY TO HEAVEN, [child talking] and I, and I thought that was kind of neat though. But I loved LITTLE HOUSE ON THE PRAIRIE, especially when Melissa Gilbert grew up.
[speaker002:] Yeah,
[speaker001:] She was
[speaker002:] yeah.
[speaker001:] kind of like my idol [LAUGHTER],
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] when I was growing up. Because I am twenty-seven, so it is, you know, she is about the same age as I am.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] I wanted to be just like her, because she is so cute.
[speaker002:] Yeah, I, and I liked that show because it, it portrayed, I thought, really well, uh, pioneer kind of days.
[speaker001:] Yeah and,
[speaker002:] You know,
[speaker001:] well,
[speaker002:] but,
[speaker001:] I liked it,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] but there, that is about the only, uh, show I have seen where every time they sit down at the table, they pray
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] before they eat. And I thought that was real neat.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Because there is not a lot of shows that do that. [cough] And, uh, they have this little cartoon that is on Sunday mornings with,
[speaker002:] Now what is that?
[speaker001:] Jot. I remember him in school, but I do not, it is just this little dot with arms and feet and little eyes, and his parents are there. They have it like before one of the church things,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] uh, you know, church that comes on? And it is a just this little dot. And he will go out and get himself into trouble and come home, and the parents will tell him that there is a verse in the Bible that will help him with that, and,
[speaker002:] Oh, I have
[speaker001:] It is just,
[speaker002:] not seen that.
[speaker001:] Well, it is, usually we go to church on Sundays.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] But we will miss every once in a while. And I will let Kyle watch that, and he just, well, I even like Jot. I mean I, it is funny.
[speaker002:] What channel is it on?
[speaker001:] It is on channel, well, let us see. You are in Plano?
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] Uh, it is twelve or ten down here.
[speaker002:] Well, I will look and, and see. Yeah, we go to church on Sunday. About one o'clock is when our meetings start. And, uh,
[speaker001:] Oh, well, this is of the mornings.
[speaker002:] It is in the morning?
[speaker001:] Uh, around nine or ten I think. It is before one of the, I think it is before the First Baptist in Sherman airs.
[speaker002:] Okay.
[speaker001:] I think that is the one that it,
[speaker002:] W-,
[speaker001:] uh, comes on before.
[speaker002:] Well, we'll look.
[speaker001:] It is real cute. You know what? He is bouncing around, and his name is Jot, and then he has got a friend named Cat. And I think the dog is the only one that is not a, a dot [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] But it is real cute. And like I say, they, they teach him stuff from the BIBLE. And I think it is just a real cute show. I am trying to get my little boy into reading, uh, like church books and things.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] We have got like NOAH'S ARK and, oh, LORD IS MY SHEP-. We have got about eight or twelve books for him, just little Bible stories.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And they-, he is, he is getting to where he likes them.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] We got him a little Jesus doll, uh, about a year ago, and he has always kept that. He likes it [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Well, I really like, now we get channel fifty-five, although we do not have cable,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] we do get channel fifty-five. And that is a, uh, like, a, a song, they sing songs on there but they're, uh, worship through music kind of things. But they are up to date, uh, and some of them are like, uh, videos
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] like music videos, that go along with the songs about church and Jesus. And,
[speaker001:] So it's a,
[speaker002:] And I,
[speaker001:] a Christian songs?
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Oh, that sounds fun.
[speaker002:] The Chri-, it's called the Christian music station or something like that.
[speaker001:] That's something. Well,
[speaker002:] And, uh, I really like that.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] Uh, I turn that on, on Sunday mornings. And I do not, you know, and so my kids do not, uh, have an [TV], |
[speaker001:] all right
[speaker002:] okay well how about those Redskins huh
[speaker001:] they're pretty good they um you know I can't they're not they're they're a good team you know
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] uh but uh I think uh I don't know how they'll do this year they'll probably still do pretty good have you uh been keeping up on the people they've been trading or anything
[speaker002:] do you think uh yeah they hadn't I don't think they really traded anybody that I know of yet um I've I've got three kids who collect football cards
[speaker001:] yeah yeah
[speaker002:] so they uh they compete pretty vigorously for all the Redskins cards and uh actually we went to after they won the uh the uh Super Bowl we actually went down to the mall in uh Washington and saw uh you know all the players down there and they had a big rally down there and so it was surprising how big those guys were I mean they they look big on the field but they're even bigger in person though
[speaker001:] yeah oh yeah they
[speaker002:] especially that guy Joe Jacobi
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] he's just a guy's a monster I mean he's not inhuman
[speaker001:] but most of them are what over six foot aren't they
[speaker002:] but uh oh yeah they're all they're all huge guys I mean a small guy would be about six three and
[speaker001:] and two hundred and some pounds
[speaker002:] yeah Rypien Rypien you know for a quarterback Rypien was six I think he was six three or four and two thirty which is really big
[speaker001:] yeah he's he's one of the taller quarterbacks you know most quarterbacks are only about six foot
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] but but uh he's one of the taller ones
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] uh
[speaker002:] well uh what team what team are you predicting uh will come out of the AFC next year
[speaker001:] huh
[speaker002:] you know
[speaker001:] that's a good question
[speaker002:] you think Denver will be as tough as they were this year
[speaker001:] well they might be I haven't really heard who they been uh trading or anything but uh they're usually pretty good right up near the top and so are the Raiders so it's gonna be tough they always have a tough time with the Raiders so
[speaker002:] yeah other than yeah well I was real surprised uh that they did as well as they did last year I didn't realize that they were as good as they were and actually I thought they probably should've beaten Buffalo
[speaker001:] yeah um-hum
[speaker002:] in the uh title game but
[speaker001:] oh yeah I I think what one of their problems is is they they get overconfident in the second half they get ahead in the first half and the second half they just kind of blow it you know
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and they've done that every season every year for a while
[speaker002:] um-hum you think Mecklinburg is gonna hang around for another season or is uh
[speaker001:] oh he's getting up there in the years I don't know if he's gonna stick around or not you know
[speaker002:] yeah didn't they have a guy on there uh the wasn't a uh deaf player on there this year
[speaker001:] uh yeah yeah it's that uh I can't think of his name now but he's on defensive
[speaker002:] was it Davis Davis or something like that
[speaker001:] yeah he's on defensive he's supposed to be pretty good though so
[speaker002:] yeah I think he isn't he from Nebraska
[speaker001:] yeah I think so
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] uh
[speaker002:] what kind of college teams do you like
[speaker001:] uh I really don't even keep up with the college teams that much you know
[speaker002:] Cornhuskers right uh-huh
[speaker001:] I'm just basically pro teams you know basically
[speaker002:] yeah I kind of run out of steam uh until right near the the bowl games with all the colleges then I then I watch all the bowl games but
[speaker001:] yeah yeah
[speaker002:] yeah does your wife let you watch uh plenty of football
[speaker001:] uh oh course uh now I get Sunday and Monday nights Sunday afternoon and Monday nights are reserved for me
[speaker002:] really oh really that's pretty good yeah I usually uh I'm getting more and more into that habit but after ten years I still haven't been able to get into the habit of of just having that time reserved but
[speaker001:] yeah well
[speaker002:] last year last year was pretty good I got she cut me a lot of slack so I could actually watch some football
[speaker001:] well I kind of let her watch every now and then I'll let her watch her shows and then when her shows are over I'll turn it to the last quarter like on Monday nights
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] so
[speaker002:] what do you think of the instant replay rule
[speaker001:] I think some of it's pretty good and some of it's not so good you know I kind of go either way on it
[speaker002:] uh-huh what I can't believe is you know there are certain plays I guess that they don't use a instant replay on
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and you'll see you know the most flagrant you know foul or something else you know and uh they just don't you know they don't do the instant replay and then on the other things you know a touchdown pass or something like that you know they always get out the instant replay and call backs
[speaker001:] oh yeah that's kind of yeah that's just like a couple of them instant replays they did they were over their two minute limit and stuff this last year and I think that's what's gonna hurt them from having it
[speaker002:] um-hum yeah yeah
[speaker001:] but uh but I don't know Dallas is coming up pretty good they did pretty good last year
[speaker002:] which yep well yeah they really uh they really mauled the Skins |
[speaker001:] okay well I worked out today
[speaker002:] well I didn't
[speaker001:] you didn't do you do you ever
[speaker002:] yeah yeah I end up being um
[speaker001:] a lot
[speaker002:] we're fixing to go on vacation so I'm running here and there and everywhere and
[speaker001:] oh yeah well that's a workout in itself getting ready to go huh
[speaker002:] yeah it the the recorder came on I went oh boy do how do I miss today because I thought if I'd be there right now I couldn't have taken this call so my guilt feelings come rushing through but
[speaker001:] yeah do you go every day
[speaker002:] uh usually yeah I try to um go to I have a membership at Fitness Fitness and Figure World here
[speaker001:] yeah oh really
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] is that is that male and female
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] yeah mine is just female I'm too big of a wimp to go to the male and female
[speaker002:] well it's it's it's kind of like oh your split-level house its got the male stuff on one side
[speaker001:] oh really
[speaker002:] uh and then it has a Nautilus equipment that male or female can use and then it's got your aerobics room which is coed and then it's got the female side which has all their Nautilus that they can use by theirselves and their own sauna
[speaker001:] yeah do a lot of the guys do the aerobics
[speaker002:] uh no not most of them most it's mostly female
[speaker001:] just mostly female have they been have you done the bench bench aerobics yet
[speaker002:] oh yeah the steps
[speaker001:] do you like it
[speaker002:] I'm still not sure about it yet
[speaker001:] yeah I've a
[speaker002:] um I yeah I'm too busy concentrating if I'm going to twist my ankles or something yeah
[speaker001:] fall off the bench
[speaker002:] yeah because I have broken both my ankles so I'm real leery about
[speaker001:] oh no
[speaker002:] you know
[speaker001:] yeah well I I read an article that it's really not that good on your knees
[speaker002:] stepping and looking and well I didn't I don't know how it could be
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] um
[speaker001:] so I haven't I haven't ventured with that yet
[speaker002:] I'm I'm thinking it may be just a fad and will pass with everything else
[speaker001:] yeah but in our classes there's a ton of people that do it
[speaker002:] oh yeah
[speaker001:] and they do it I think they only have it like three times a week because I think that's what they pretty much recommend but still uh I think that would be so hard on your knees
[speaker002:] yeah um
[speaker001:] so
[speaker002:] and you know the boxes get pretty tall and I um
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] I don't know I haven't got to the tallest one yet and it hasn't the I did uh when I first started it bothered my knees behind my knees
[speaker001:] huh that's strange
[speaker002:] that's the only place I was sore and I thought well I must not be doing them right or or something because that I have no need for that muscle back there
[speaker001:] yeah really I can't ever think of when you would use that huh
[speaker002:] so so I'm you know I can see where it because it effected my knees
[speaker001:] wow
[speaker002:] and I did regular aerobics like last night with without the boxes and I got more of a workout
[speaker001:] uh-huh yeah
[speaker002:] and it was a no bounce class
[speaker001:] yeah oh really
[speaker002:] and I still got more of a workout as far as in you know stamina etcetera
[speaker001:] huh well I was a cheerleader for a long long time so I don't get into the aerobics at all because it's too much like cheerleading so I mostly just ride the bike and do the weights on the machines
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] but I do they have aquacise which I like that quite a bit
[speaker002:] Now I've been to that I haven't been to that yet uh I've I've it just it just doesn't move fast enough for me I don't think
[speaker001:] yeah well I mean you know it varies from instructor to instructor but if you get a good one you can get a pretty good workout yeah
[speaker002:] I've got to have something hyper really I've never tried it so I guess I've I ought to try it before I think it's not fast enough
[speaker001:] well yeah you'd think with broken ankles that would be a good way to go because you don't get that friction when you land
[speaker002:] yeah yeah
[speaker001:] huh well
[speaker002:] I've never I guess I ought to try I don't know it just never appealed to me as much as as
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] as uh just for real hard aerobics does for some reason and and then the weights and I'm really and and then the weights and I'm really um like in the the step machines
[speaker001:] yeah oh yeah that's great do you is it a Stairmaster
[speaker002:] uh I'm not sure what it is
[speaker001:] because see the one that we have isn't Stairmaster so it's not quite as good I don't think but um it's it's real good for you but boy they say that you're supposed to go twenty minutes and I can't do that
[speaker002:] no
[speaker001:] I've been trying to work up to it but I can't
[speaker002:] oh when they first started me I had a girl who was training me and she'd only been there three weeks and she says well you just push this button and you turn the dial and you just go and I'm like one side would go down and then the other side and I thought I and these guys on each side of me are just pumping it like you know and I'm going there's got to be something wrong here and the guy looks over and says he's got you started on ten
[speaker001:] oh no
[speaker002:] so let's turn it down and then I was keeping up with him you know but it was funny because I thought I am like in slow motion compared to everybody around me what I and I felt like way out of shape and it just happened to be the dial was wrong but
[speaker001:] yeah you mostly go the evenings
[speaker002:] yes
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] I attempted going in the mornings and it was really good because then it was out of the way and you know and nothing interfered but it's just so much harder to get up that much earlier
[speaker002:] yeah I am more I used to do I used to run in the mornings
[speaker001:] oh I hate running
[speaker002:] and in I'm just much more stretched out by the evening
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] from work and everything because I was really having uh backaches and stuff when I'd get halfway through the day I couldn't figure out why
[speaker001:] yeah I hadn't thought about that yeah huh I hadn't thought about that well my other problem was I'd get to the club and I'd be getting ready to go to work and I'd realize I didn't have my blouse or something
[speaker002:] oh yeah
[speaker001:] so that was always kind of traumatic
[speaker002:] yeah it could be of course I don't know it could be great for business
[speaker001:] yeah I wonder I did I literally went in one day in my linen skirt and a sweatshirt
[speaker002:] oh my gosh
[speaker001:] so so anyway well enjoy your vacation
[speaker002:] well I'm looking forward to it
[speaker001:] where you going
[speaker002:] uh we're going to San Diego
[speaker001:] oh that will be fun
[speaker002:] yeah I have family that lives out there so
[speaker001:] oh well have a good time I'm sure you'll look fine in your bathing suit
[speaker002:] well thanks yeah oh we have a lake party this weekend so I'm really kind of going ugh
[speaker001:] oh really yeah
[speaker002:] but
[speaker001:] well it was for one thing I haven't we've we've been in the water a lot we have a boat and we skied a lot but I just haven't brought myself to ski yet this year so maybe maybe this weekend
[speaker002:] yeah I've I've yeah if it's good we've we've been out a couple times and gotten into the swing of it so we're we're ready we go to lake we stay here ski here Lake Beltin
[speaker001:] which lake do you go to oh huh well I'm is it a big one
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] we might have to check that out sometime well okay have a good vacation talk to you later bye-bye
[speaker002:] yeah okay thanks bye |
[speaker001:] okay
[speaker002:] there we go
[speaker001:] well uh what do you think about taxes do you think we're paying too much
[speaker002:] yes and no income tax no I uh I look at it this way uh you've got to pay for the privilege of living here
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] but uh being a uh a rec vehicle owner well in fact I live in a motor home I'm a full what they call a full timer and uh it burns gas like crazy I only get seven miles to the gallon I really resent this fact that they keep adding on gasoline taxes and they call it uh uh what's the word they use anyway a luxury a luxury tax
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] they gave add it on on to tires and gasoline cigarettes liquor and it doesn't bother me any because I've quit drinking and I quit smoking so that doesn't bother me but I don't think it's fair it's it's too um
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] um it's attacking just certain people
[speaker001:] how true
[speaker002:] and even with the gasoline tax
[speaker001:] yeah well gasoline especially in this part of the country we all use it all the time you know it's that's not what I would consider a luxury
[speaker002:] no uh fifty years ago the automobile was a luxury but it's a necessity today and uh as hard as they try to get these public transit things going I have never seen nor heard of one that uh really really got of the ground
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] or that accomplish what they set out to accomplish to accomplish what are your feelings on it
[speaker001:] well um I I think that we probably are paying a little too much tax considering what we're getting for it and how it's being managed and so forth I mean I I think there could be a better system and we would get more for our money it's totally out of our hands so we don't we can't really do a whole lot about how that money is spent and where it goes and and
[speaker002:] yeah that that's that's so true I mean they say well you voice your opinion uh uh uh on election day
[speaker001:] but not really
[speaker002:] no you don't look what happened on the last presidential election read my lips and what happened they turned around and double crossed us
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] so uh I mean you you can't believe what you what you hear
[speaker001:] well I think too one of the things that rubs me the wrong way the most is those programs that are funded by Congress and that don't seem to have any validity at all I mean they're always far out and uh you know they're studying some obscure uh bug you know in some other part of the world or some such thing and and our tax money pays for those things and I think that's wrong
[speaker002:] oh uh yes
[speaker001:] I
[speaker002:] I agree and and uh uh I also think we extend too much help to other uh countries we need enough help here in this country
[speaker001:] that's right
[speaker002:] they're still people starving people here why should we help starving people somewhere else
[speaker001:] yeah and I think here lately they've been saying quite often and maybe somebody's coming to realize that we're the nation in trouble
[speaker002:] absolutely absolutely now I can't wait for uh I I could just picture what's what's going to happen here in the not to distant future we keep hearing well we're going to receive uh eight billion dollars from Japan for the uh uh uh the uh uh the the the big war over there in the Mideast
[speaker001:] the war um-hum
[speaker002:] and uh so many billions of dollars here and there and everything and uh the next thing you know we'll be turning turning around just like we did to Poland and say well just forget it
[speaker001:] yeah and I think that's a mistake somewhere somewhere you know we have to realize that we can't just keep giving it away
[speaker002:] oh definitely well another thing now they they keep the decontrolling different things first it was the airlines then it was banks and and uh um savings association and what not
[speaker001:] we know what trouble they got into
[speaker002:] exactly and the same with the airlines back in the days when they were uh controlled and and uh uh transcontinental or um um um um interstate uh trucking I mean as soon as the uh the federal government gave up control on all that they just went to hell in a hand basket
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] uh prices went uh sky high you know in the in the case of airlines of course they became highly competitive and they cut each others throats until they're they're reach the point where they're cutting their own throat and uh well of course that's getting away from taxes isn't it that that's government controlled but um
[speaker001:] well I I think another thing too that um I've had a little contacted with uh in regard to taxes let's say that um you have something that the IRS disagrees with or you know says hey we're not going to allow that well I think they're very unfair in the amount of penalties and interest that they can attach to that because you you will not only pay back that that you wrote off but you will at least double that amount and
[speaker002:] oh by the time you get through with the uh
[speaker001:] yes and that's to me there's something wrong there you know
[speaker002:] the penalties
[speaker001:] yeah I mean I can see paying the interest and some small penalty but they really stick it to you big time
[speaker002:] uh I agree I think the IRS is uh just too powerful there should be some sort of a control on it and they should be a little more humane
[speaker001:] um-hum absolutely
[speaker002:] uh the um well typical bureaucratic I guess uh that's that's one of my pet peeves I came up with a brilliant idea how we could reduce the uh the budget
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] very simple give uh uh uh government employees the average number of of uh holidays as the uh uh the private industry
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] I mean you think about it now they they get about sixteen holidays a year
[speaker001:] that's a lot
[speaker002:] it sure is and I think here at TI we get what is it nine or ten
[speaker001:] well I haven't counted I I would have guessed eight even but you might be right I don't have any idea
[speaker002:] well I remember uh thinking I think it was the last time I did hear that we get about the average maybe even a little more a day or so more than the average
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] but uh government is ridiculous
[speaker001:] wow
[speaker002:] just think of the money they could save I mean they're they're paying out this money anyway
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] why not get the work out of the people
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and well anyway that would of course eventually come back to taxes but uh as far as income tax is concerned I can't complain too much about it um I'm single I have no uh dependents or anything my children are all grown and they're out worrying about their own income taxes
[speaker001:] yeah well I I have another thing that I thought about too um for instance when you try to save money and you earn interest on whatever your investment is and you know we're not typically talking about big dollars but here you feel like you've you've done something good you've you've earned your interest and then you have to go back and pay taxes on it so the real amount of your savings on that is is not much
[speaker002:] um very true that's
[speaker001:] you know it's kind of a vicious circle there
[speaker002:] and then they tell you to uh well invest it in uh is it IRA's or something and and when
[speaker001:] and then they took that away as far as
[speaker002:] when you turn
[speaker001:] being
[speaker002:] when you turn sixty five why then you pay the tax on it and the tax is a lot less
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] but in the mean time you used used them you've got your money tide up in a low relatively low interest uh bearing investment I mean it's not making ten fifteen percent like a business is today
[speaker001:] huh-uh
[speaker002:] um me I'm a firm believer in that if you got it spend it
[speaker001:] well you can come over to my house and spend it
[speaker002:] well you
[speaker001:] I wish I had some to spend
[speaker002:] well do you do you need some help spending yours
[speaker001:] no no I don't I just don't have any
[speaker002:] oh oh uh-huh well that's my problem too I'm I'm trying to figure out from one payday to the next whose going to be the lucky one this month that's going to get paid
[speaker001:] yeah that's the way it goes well I guess we probably talked just about long enough
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] uh let me ask you something did you get a catalog or something from these people yet
[speaker001:] yes
[speaker002:] you did
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] I've everybody I've talked to has received one and I haven't gotten mine
[speaker001:] I don't know
[speaker002:] um well anyway Ellen it was nice talking to you
[speaker001:] you too
[speaker002:] and uh until next time
[speaker001:] okay good-bye
[speaker002:] bye-bye |
[speaker001:] and how's your weather been
[speaker002:] well my weather right now is rainy uh this is the most rain I think we've ever seen uh over a twelve month period of time since I moved to to uh to the Texas area um I was uh I've seen climates both rather arid and and and complete and total uh tropical so I've seen kind of the gamut but this is starting to lean towards the uh the tropical end how about you
[speaker001:] well this is getting to be uh similar to the reason I moved away from Saint Louis all these gray gloomy rainy days you know
[speaker002:] oh my uh-huh
[speaker001:] but uh I've been here for about uh well it's going on five years now and this is definitely the rainiest January February
[speaker002:] uh-huh oh this is this is a neat year you missed the nineteen eighty eighty one uh uh mess the nineteen eighty summer that about roasted everybody and then the eighty one spring that uh where practically every lake in uh North North Texas overflowed
[speaker001:] well I thought it was bad enough about four years ago when we had the was it three or four years ago when we had the big ice storm
[speaker002:] I mean we oh yes ma'am well that was that was pretty good uh however the one in seventy nine and uh and uh seventy eight and seventy nine uh dwarfed that one
[speaker001:] yeah you've been here a while then
[speaker002:] yes ma'am since uh you know I have been well the firm I am with uh I've been with them them for twenty three years so and they are in the North Texas area
[speaker001:] oh okay
[speaker002:] so uh yeah I have seen quite a bit of of weather uh patterns of course like I say uh when I was in the service I got to see plenty of um different uh locals as far as wet and dry uh climates and uh uh I was kind of like you I'm I didn't want to go back to Colorado because of the different because of the tremendous weather we had
[speaker001:] gosh I think you're the first person from Colorado I have ever heard that didn't say oh it's wonderful it's so dry here
[speaker002:] um no no no
[speaker001:] well this actually isn't far enough south for me
[speaker002:] oh okay
[speaker001:] I would like to get down to oh Tampa some place like that where
[speaker002:] Tampa Florida
[speaker001:] at least yes
[speaker002:] uh-huh well let's see my in-laws uh winter in uh the Leesburg area
[speaker001:] is that down the coast of Florida
[speaker002:] well it's uh in the Orlando area
[speaker001:] okay
[speaker002:] and Tampa Saint Petersburg is not that super far away
[speaker001:] no I think it's a couple hours drive if I
[speaker002:] yeah something like that I think we made to from their house to uh Bush Gardens in ninety minutes that day
[speaker001:] uh you may have been speeding a little bit though
[speaker002:] no no no no no no no not not at that not down that uh uh tollway they've got
[speaker001:] I see
[speaker002:] they're they're smokies you think our smokies are bad with with uh uh our uh little Mustangs that are hot rods they got them there too oh yeah
[speaker001:] is that right
[speaker002:] I know we uh were uh over run by one in uh we went down for Christmas and we were cruising cruising along in our little rental car and uh this this this car comes over the hill and pass me and it was one of those puppies and he was flat moving
[speaker001:] do they arrest people there uh unlike Dallas
[speaker002:] yeah yeah he's he he pulled one he pulled one over and was uh steady having a little chat about something other than the weather that's for sure because I mean he didn't look happy when we went by so I don't know maybe it was uh who knows but anyway this weather here is is certainly evolved from a from a dryer hotter uh nineteen eighty to uh the present the the last summer we had I think we barely what cleared a hundred
[speaker001:] maybe
[speaker002:] I think that was stretching it
[speaker001:] well uh I'll tell you I will definitely take the hot summers
[speaker002:] oh well believe you me I'm not not advocating cold summers no no no no no no no wrong wrong wrong but uh uh the summer of nineteen eighty we saw one hundred fifteen and one hundred sixteen and I was running a little heating and air-conditioning business at the time
[speaker001:] no kidding I'll bet you just did all kinds of business
[speaker002:] well uh what happened there was that most of our customer everybody's customers uh down here about April start to call call everybody you know call their their local guys
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and we go out and tune up the systems
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and we are normally expecting some a hundred hundred degree days so we tune for that
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] so we had everybody nice in tune when the hundred and fifteen degree weather hit
[speaker001:] yes
[speaker002:] and so what the only thing that got replaced were the weak systems you know that would barely make it at one hundred but when the hundred and fifteen degree days hit well it just couldn't couldn't handle the load and they then they then the compressors blew like popcorn
[speaker001:] oh I'll bet
[speaker002:] I mean just this pop pop bang bang |
[speaker001:] Well, do you do any recycling?
[speaker002:] Uh, we do here. Uh, see, what do we recycle? We, they recycle, they have bins
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] and they also have centers where you can take aluminum cans and, uh, plastic bottles and I think that's all they have.
[speaker001:] Oh.
[speaker002:] What about you guys?
[speaker001:] Well, we, uh, there is a lot of things that you can recycle down here, although the only thing I guess I wind up recycling religiously is, uh, aluminum cans.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] But, uh, we've got a, we've got a couple of different things, uh, places, uh, they're like unattended aluminum can smashers [LAUGHTER]. And you can go up there and, and, uh, redeem, we've got one that gives you like a penny a can, so if you,
[speaker002:] Really?
[speaker001:] Yeah [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] For smashed cans?
[speaker001:] Well, actually, you have to give, put them in there unsmashed.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And, uh, when you do that it, it basically crushes them and then drops a penny down a little shoot.
[speaker002:] Oh, can you, can you hold on for just a minute?
[speaker001:] Sure.
[speaker002:] I'm going to try pressing one again to make sure
[speaker001:] Okay.
[speaker002:] that I pressed it hard enough because, okay, just succeed [beep].
[speaker001:] Okay?
[speaker002:] Oh, okay, well, I guess, I guess,
[speaker001:] Well, I heard it that, I heard it that time [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Yeah [LAUGHTER]. Okay, well, anyways, you guys only get a penny a can. Well, when you buy like, uh, canned drinks and stuff like that, do they charge you for the deposit?
[speaker001:] Uh, no, you probably get charged like a nickel
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] or something like that.
[speaker002:] Exactly and so it's like they charge you for the deposit, so when you turn in the cans unsmashed, you're just, like, reimbursed.
[speaker001:] Oh, okay.
[speaker002:] Type of thing.
[speaker001:] Okay, no, they don't charge us that extra nickel.
[speaker002:] That's sort of nice, though [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Yeah, it, it really is. Really what happens is we just get a penny a can back off the, off the price, if you want to think of it that way.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] So when we get like, uh, uh, a twelve pack, then that's like twelve cents back.
[speaker002:] Yeah, so you guys can actually get ahead [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Yeah [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] But, uh, they have sort of like, uh, things that you c-, you're not like reimbursed for or paid for. Like we can recycle, uh, clear glass, brown glass, green glass.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] Uh, and milk jugs and, uh, newspapers, you know, everyone does newspapers.
[speaker001:] Yeah, yeah, everybody does newspapers.
[speaker002:] But, that, that kind of stuff.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] But they, they said they can't be smashed or else, uh, it doesn't fit in their little containers and they're not reimbursed by the, the people who are over them or something.
[speaker001:] Well, shoot, maybe what we ought to do is start sending unsmashed, uh, Pepsi cans and whatever
[speaker002:] Yeah [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] up there [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Exactly, yeah, send it to this address, no [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] But, uh, [lipsmack] let's see, they said that, how, ways, can encourage recycling, uh,
[speaker001:] I, I, I tell you what, what really works, uh, at least down here is, if there is, if there is some, e-, even some money basically to take care of the gas to recycle it, you know what I mean, then people tend to do it. Uh,
[speaker002:] Yeah, that's,
[speaker001:] In other words, taking care of the environment is, is all well and good
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] but if it's going to cost you to take care of the environment, they're not quite as, uh
[speaker002:] As likely to do it.
[speaker001:] likely to do it
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] as if, uh, if you get something back for it. You know.
[speaker002:] Yeah, that's true.
[speaker001:] And, uh, so, you know, if there are some energy savings or if there is some significant savings, anything that they can pass on to the consumer, you know, it kind of reminds me of using an A T M card, you know, to get money
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] or doing your banking.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] You know, if it's free, people will use it, if it costs them something, then they're not as likely to use it.
[speaker002:] Yeah, exactly.
[speaker001:] You know. But, uh, I know we had a problem down here with, uh, oil, people taking oil out of their cars
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and just putting it down the d-, you know, the s-, the drain sewer.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] And, {F uh, all that, because there was, apparently a lot of people, you know, every time they change the oil, they just dump all the res-, their old oil down there.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] Now they're starting to recycle that stuff.
[speaker002:] Oh, that's good. Uh, another thing I thought of, I guess, to recycle would be like clothes, because I mean everybody gets rid of their clothes sometime or other. And [throat clearing] one way that we do it sort of in, in Iowa is that we can take some of our clothes to the consignment shops.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] And that way, you know, you don't get near enough as, as much as you bought it for, but you, you got the use out of it and what you're going to basically donate to a Goodwill or whatever, anyways, you can get a little bit of money for.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] And so
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] that's something that I've never, I, we're, we're new to Iowa so [NOISE] that's something that I hadn't, you know, looked into before. But that's one way to sort of get money and still recycle, I guess.
[speaker001:] Yeah, I know a lot of places, they, uh, uh, |
[speaker001:] Budgeting activity in our household I, has is, uh, uh, kind of an informal kind of situation. We, we, you know, put, actually what happens is, uh, is, my check gets automatically deposited. I don't even have the glories of bringing home my check anymore. It just gets deposited. And,
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] and, and my, my wife, you know, you know, looks at all those bills that come in and, you know, and all those people are counting on me to have my wife pay them. You see, and so our, our budgeting, w-, we really don't have a formal budgeting situation. Every time I've ever tried one, it's, uh, I've just got wrapped in my inertia. And, uh, I've just decided not to pursue it. Uh, what, what's your budget situation?
[speaker002:] Well, actually, uh, I've, I've had a couple of different situations. My current one has been the most successful. Uh, at a certain point in life an-, my husband, my ex-husband was an alcoholic. And we got divorced back in the mid-seventies and that left me with three teenagers.
[speaker001:] You know, well a-, a-, actually that kind of situation is just wonderful for budgets.
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER] It certainly is [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Isn't it?
[speaker002:] But at any rate, what happened was that I, I just absolutely put away all the credit cards. I didn't rip them up. I didn't send them back. Nothing. I just put them away. Because there was one that it was really handy to have. If I absolutely had to have something, I could go use it.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] But, uh, mostly we just spent cash. Whatever we had. And if we didn't have it, we absolutely didn't spend it. But then, as things improved, you know. Once, once I got them all through college, uh, it came to the point where, uh, my parents came through the depression. I'm not sure how old you are.
[speaker001:] Well, my, you know, my, my parents too. You, you
[speaker002:] But my,
[speaker001:] you were born in, in the, in the late thirties or early forties.
[speaker002:] Late thirties, yeah. Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] And, uh, my mother hardly ever spent anything on herself or on the house. And that's kind of the way I was raised. And so I'm not a very demanding person in, in that aspect. So for quite a period of time, I just flat didn't spend any money.
[speaker001:] Um.
[speaker002:] Now, meanwhile, I got, had a, a building bank balance. And my intent was that whenever something went on sale that I really had to have, I would have the cash to buy it right then and there.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And not ever have to spend any money on interest.
[speaker001:] Well, that, that's good.
[speaker002:] And that, that's the way I've operated ever since then. It, and you know, if, if something goes on sale and I don't have the money, I still don't buy it.
[speaker001:] [Noise] Well, we, we buy what, well, we just got through buying a twenty-five foot refrigerator, a new ceramic top stove, and a new dishwasher.
[speaker002:] Oh my [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] And, and we put twenty-eight hundred dollars on the charge. Along with my trip to Japan
[speaker002:] Oh my!
[speaker001:] which was, was fourteen or fifteen hundred dollars and you know.
[speaker002:] Oh my.
[speaker001:] Right. I mean, we just, we got a monster, you know, bill coming in. But, but we also have zero in-, interest being paid. And we pay it off as, as it goes.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh. And that's the way I do my credit cards now.
[speaker001:] Yeah. So we never really get that much over, uh, over extended.
[speaker002:] Yeah. I do almost all my purchasing on credit cards.
[speaker001:] Huh.
[speaker002:] But it's the fact that I have enough of a, of a cushion in the bank so that when they come, I can pay them in full.
[speaker001:] Yeah. We're, we're doing that. We have, you know, uh, th-, this is our, our, our big, uh, we did redecorating. Two, you know, two new pieces in the ref-, in the family room and new carpet. I mean we just
[speaker002:] Oh my.
[speaker001:] uh, we've just been spending, spending, spending.
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER] I'm envious [LAUGHTER]. Well I,
[speaker001:] Bu-, but we haven't really done anything for a long time because we've, we've had two kids in college that
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] just have graduated in the past year. So we're, you know, we don't have that.
[speaker002:] It's time for you to do these things then. Right?
[speaker001:] Yeah, it's, uh, it's about time that we did that. But, th-, the, the terrible part about it. I've looked at it all * Seems to be clearly 2 slash units. and it all looks still pretty good to me. Why, why [LAUGHTER] we need to replace it?
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] But, but, [LAUGHTER] un-, unfortunately my, my, my wife really [mispronounced] feels as though it's, it's just been an inappropriate, uh, thing to, to, I mean that rug is thirteen years old, why not replace it. I mean, uh, I say it might go for another thirteen but, uh, too late, we'll never find that out.
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER] This is so funny. That's wonderful. But
[speaker001:] And,
[speaker002:] you're lucky to have her because if you're like me and you have difficulty spending money, you need somebody to help you spend it. I mean, certain things really do need to be done whether or not you think they should,
[speaker001:] [Sneezing].
[speaker002:] be or not [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] You know, I, I, [NOISE] I don't spend that much money. I just, uh, we just sort of have had, uh, you know, too many obligations to, you know, we sort of take care of the kids when they were school and they, they got through school. And that was the major, you know, decade of expenses, you know. So we, we feel as, uh, but as far as any formal budgeting, uh, you know, I, I, we just apparently have been very fortunate. When we went, want to go out to eat, we go out to eat. We never really, [pounding] you know, have to program money for that or make choices, you know. But, uh, we don't have that uproarious a, a lifestyle. After all, we're, |
[speaker002:] well do you exercise regularly Judy
[speaker001:] um I try to ride the stationary bicycle everyday about five miles
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and I love to walk so if I have a lunch hour with nice weather I get out and and walk what about you
[speaker002:] well um I uh exercise regularly I work at a university and I swim almost everyday
[speaker001:] uh very good
[speaker002:] upwards of a mile but Washington is one of my favorite places to visit uh my daughter lives in Arlington and when I go to visit her I love to get out on that bike trail and either ride the bike oh gosh you can ride a bike practically all the way to southern Virginia
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] or just get out and walk uh or even jog a little although I don't do that regularly but Washington's a great place to do that
[speaker001:] uh-huh yeah there are there are lots of bike paths I know my son is a biker and he he's done the whole C and O canal I think it's a hundred and eighty miles with the scouts
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and so uh but that that somehow takes organization for me it's much easier just the stationary bike you know it's at home I can I can do some of my reading
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] um but
[speaker002:] do you live in the District
[speaker001:] no I live in Maryland
[speaker002:] uh-huh because I think there're so many parts of the District where it's not very safe to get out and walk
[speaker001:] right right and that's it um at work we have a a nice campus so I'm able to um take advantage of of the environment here um
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] the neighborhood also I mean we're within walking distance of of stores and shops so I do now I think um basically is your motive simply um health or because you enjoy it
[speaker002:] well it's uh it's really both I'm certainly driven by the desire to maintain my weight and be healthy and be in shape and uh and most of the time I enjoy it sometimes I don't but I feel that uh that the discipline it affords me when I do it when I don't wanna is also worth something
[speaker001:] um-hum right I think pretty much you've summed up my my my motivations also
[speaker002:] and I often find that even when I don't feel that much like exercising like I'll be really tired and I'll start swimming and I'll actually and I'll actually get energy and I'll be have much more energy when I'm done than when I started I mean I just feel great that happens to me probably one in four or five times that I swim
[speaker001:] oh well that's great that's great
[speaker002:] that's really a terrific feeling because you just go there at the end of the day and you figure God I'm ready for bed
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and you exercise and then it's sort of it's painful for a while but by the time you get done you're feeling really terrific
[speaker001:] right and actually in in summer I like to swim we don't have facilities for swimming in winter but um and and that's true when I go home from work at the end of the day if I go up for an hour in the pool I'm much much more awake I'm ready to work in the garden or whatever in the evening
[speaker002:] yeah yeah
[speaker001:] so
[speaker002:] so are can I just ask you are you Canadian
[speaker001:] no I'm not
[speaker002:] Philadelphia
[speaker001:] no
[speaker002:] I'm trying to because you have a you have one funny vowel that's probably gonna drive the TI people crazy you say out instead of out you say out
[speaker001:] oh really no I don't know that but I I must say that um
[speaker002:] did you know that
[speaker001:] when when I did do a linguistics course in in school ages ago um the professor had a lot of trouble with my accent
[speaker002:] hm
[speaker001:] and it's probably because I I was born in the Chicago area and grew up in California and at and at that point that was sort of a limit but but since then I've been abroad a lot so
[speaker002:] hm I see
[speaker001:] it's a mixture
[speaker002:] I know this isn't on our topic but where did you grow up in California
[speaker001:] in Santa Barbara
[speaker002:] oh okay because I grew up in North Hollywood California I went to UCLA and all that
[speaker001:] oh I see um-hum well very good and I think we've probably know know each other's exercise habits and um it was nice talking to you
[speaker002:] yes well same here thanks for calling bye
[speaker001:] oh okay bye bye |
[speaker001:] hello hello hi boy it took forever to find somebody
[speaker002:] hello hello oh well I'm glad you found me
[speaker001:] good well I'm my name's Gail and I guess we have to talk about credit cards
[speaker002:] yes my name is Carolyn
[speaker001:] okay well if you're ready then uh
[speaker002:] okay I'll just let you start
[speaker001:] I'll okay I'll press one okay well I'm not this is kind of an interesting subject to come up for me because credit cards are my downfall I just find it so easy to to charge something when I don't have the money to pay for it and really trying to get out of that habit so I think they're kind of dangerous
[speaker002:] I think they are too and unfortunately um we use ours in we don't use them all the time but we use them like at Christmas time and then it seems like it takes all year to pay them off when you use them like that but um I would love to just take some scissors and cut them in half
[speaker001:] um-hum yeah me too
[speaker002:] I think sometimes when you look at the interest that you're paying on them um that's what gets to be the really scary part you know if you think when it comes around to income tax time and you look at how much money you paid out just in interest all year you could really get a lot more stuff
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] if you were just able to pay outright for it
[speaker001:] yeah that's true that's true seems just like our society is so um pushes so hard for you can have it you know and then no interest no payments for a year and stuff like this they're really trying to get you into that uh situation because they know they've really got you then
[speaker002:] that's right
[speaker001:] so
[speaker002:] yeah all I know is some of my credit cards like um we have a Sears one and we always get a maintenance agreement every year and it's just easier to say you know just put that on my credit card well that's
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] probably four or five hundred dollars you know that goes on at that point and then it seems like
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] takes forever to pay that off
[speaker001:] it's funny that uh we've got a Sears card and we bought a washer and dryer on it four years ago
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and we still owe I mean I I think like half of the amount that they cost in the first place
[speaker002:] wow
[speaker001:] it's just uh you know you just never never get get it out and uh that's that's real irritating to have
[speaker002:] it sure is we eventually did one time we just borrowed you know took a personal loan and paid off all our credit cards and the interest on the loan was cheaper than it was you know to just have that
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] we haven't done it lately we probably need to do it again
[speaker001:] well we did you know one time we wanted to buy a truck a used truck and so we went down to the bank and they said sure we'll give you a personal loan it was only a thousand dollars that we needed
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] for the truck and they said sure that's no problem but you know why don't we consolidate your bills and at the time we thought oh that would be great you know we could and it's gonna be a lower payment than it was for all of them you only have to write one check a month not all those you never miss one or whatever and we did that but we didn't realize at the time
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] uh until several months later that we we were real I mean this was four year three years ago we were pretty young and we were just kind of like well I guess that means these credit cards are closed and we didn't you know about six months later we realized we could use them and so we charged them all up again
[speaker002:] oh no
[speaker001:] yeah so then we were not only paying those bills regular like we were before but also adding the lower payment problem so we were paying like twice
[speaker002:] oh
[speaker001:] um so we didn't ever made that mistake again luckily but uh we're definitely working on not doing that credit thing we just as a matter of fact this it's real interesting the subjects I get they always seem to be so pertinent but we just discussed this last night at church talking about debt and things like that I just it's so so alluring and uh so easy to get uh sometimes
[speaker002:] um-hum I know they really encourage you not to go into debt for anything except for maybe your house and your car
[speaker001:] um-hum yeah
[speaker002:] and uh if you could stick to that you know we'd get rid of a lot of indigestion and everything else
[speaker001:] yeah yep sure that's true oh I just picked up my daughter and she was eating a cupcake and there are crumbs all over her yeah what a mess you are
[speaker002:] oh dear
[speaker001:] oh so I don't know if I if I I just feel kind of I my big thing was my husband really wanted to get rid of our Visa card and I just thought you know if we ever had something go wrong with our refrigerator or something you know and we had to had to buy one and we would really need that and
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] so he said okay we'll keep it and then we weren't smart enough to not use it so
[speaker002:] you know one thing you might do with in a situation like that though it's just like keep
[speaker001:] now we just don't |
[speaker001:] so how do you keep up with the news
[speaker002:] most of it is TV
[speaker001:] um do you read the newspaper
[speaker002:] yes I do we get a daily and then I get uh the Wall Street Journal also
[speaker001:] um what daily
[speaker002:] it's the uh Charlotte Observer
[speaker001:] Charlotte Observer um is that there in your city
[speaker002:] yes right
[speaker001:] uh-huh so uh
[speaker002:] the Wall Street Journal gives financial news and other information I'm interested in
[speaker001:] so uh do you think you get anything from your local newspaper
[speaker002:] yes but it's usually after the fact uh as far as the major topics because most of the other has been on TV don't you agree
[speaker001:] um yeah I don't I'm not exactly sure how good the national news is though how accurate exactly
[speaker002:] yeah oh I think uh during the Middle East Crisis there was a problem in terms of too quick to try to get a scoop and not checking facts out and I think that's probably a a good relevant uh uh fear of all of it yeah I didn't see a movie a long time ago but it was about the news team that um
[speaker001:] fear
[speaker002:] tried to influence the world and I I have a feeling that they're much more into themselves sometimes than they are into what the world um is ready to hear they create news
[speaker001:] yeah it seems like they're not really trying to report the news they are trying to report how the news affects them
[speaker002:] yeah yeah I think so too
[speaker001:] or where they're at with the news or something along those lines uh
[speaker002:] radio is sort of a catch up in fact I was um listening to the radio the other day and that they were reporting on the condition of an of an accident victim and I had already seen on the news about an hour before that that accident victim had died but the radio news report was that he was still in intensive care so it's one of those um it the most immediate is TV The others are catch up and fill in
[speaker001:] yeah a little bit of color or something for the lack of total information that was given on the TV lack they give immediate for the lack of total
[speaker002:] uh-huh how do you feel the newspapers there in Colorado Springs treats local interest news
[speaker001:] well rather biasedly I think I believe huh very pro city
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] uh for the city fathers but uh it seems almost as though they don't care about how the national news affects the local area
[speaker002:] uh-huh uh I think about other topics too I I'd like to go to a city and sort of look at the front page and find out what is going on in that city but it's always the national information that you have to flip through to find out anything special about the city and I think that's uh
[speaker001:] yeah and then they give give you just the local O bits and that's it
[speaker002:] uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker001:] and and well hell you don't know know those people that died or or what from
[speaker002:] no the older you get the more you know though
[speaker001:] well what I mean is do you if your in a strange city you certainly don't know them
[speaker002:] oh right right yeah that's true what type of work are you in
[speaker001:] I work for Texas Instruments
[speaker002:] okay uh that uh is a news worthy company in itself so you're you would be interested in any news related to it yeah
[speaker001:] uh yes and yourself
[speaker002:] oh I'm I'm consulting right now I'm in between jobs so it makes uh it makes a difference I'm I'm interested in many more industries than I used to be just in terms of looking around so it
[speaker001:] yeah I understand
[speaker002:] I've been in the oil and gas business and then higher education and um done a few other things including international uh accounting so
[speaker001:] huh that's interesting I've always considered myself uh how is this best put the the Charles Bollfield trash
[speaker002:] oh okay uh uh
[speaker001:] grew up in West Texas thank you
[speaker002:] yeah yeah I understand that I was in Oklahoma so I I know the area very well
[speaker001:] yeah yeah
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] uh um so do you think our local do you think our national news tells us anything important
[speaker002:] oh yes they'll they'll tell you a lot that's important but the trouble is the value do you watch Sixty Minutes and some of those other
[speaker001:] um yeah I I I watch Sixty Minutes
[speaker002:] I I wonder sometimes where they get those topics you know some of the topics are very very good and others are like uh who who who dreamed this subject up you know
[speaker001:] almost religiously well and
[speaker002:] and far as affecting a national audience I wonder sometimes
[speaker001:] and more importantly than that I wonder how the other side of the story is
[speaker002:] uh-huh yeah
[speaker001:] and of course they're not going to tell the other side of the story and they're not going to tell it accurately
[speaker002:] no but I do enjoy we are here temporarily I enjoyed having CNN so that I could tune in the news any time I wanted to and not wait for network broadcasting
[speaker001:] uh we don't we don't have cable
[speaker002:] okay it's it's a good addition because I think they're they have a lot of news obviously all the time and there's not the pressure then
[speaker001:] yeah we've watched little bits here and there during the Gulf Crisis and we
[speaker002:] uh-huh yeah the
[speaker001:] I didn't exactly I wasn't exactly sure how accurate it was either
[speaker002:] oh I think it it too is under pressure
[speaker001:] and it seemed as though during the Gulf Crisis it might have been under pressure from the incorrect side
[speaker002:] uh-huh oh yes it was there are games played
[speaker001:] I I'm not sure how to phrase that uh delicately
[speaker002:] psychological warfare is a big factor all the way around um it's been it's been a big factor for many many years but this is the first uh first time we have seen it so quickly and so close up
[speaker001:] yeah it is
[speaker002:] it
[speaker001:] I I didn't feel comfy you know I you know you always hear about the warm fuzzy feeling
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] I kept watching that be it CNN in a bar or or or or local news at home or federal news at home or or see uh
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] we don't subscribe to our Colorado Springs paper we subscribe to the Denver paper
[speaker002:] Denver paper okay
[speaker001:] and uh but on occasion more than occasionally we'll buy the local paper
[speaker002:] uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker001:] and that warm fuzzy that we're talking about I never could get that warm fuzzy feeling in the pit of my stomach about are these people really telling me the truth or more importantly all the truth
[speaker002:] yeah I think all the truth is is the big issue they obviously had to be telling a lot of truth because they were there reporting firsthand but in terms of
[speaker001:] well I'd suspect that to be true but you couldn't prove it to me
[speaker002:] yeah yeah
[speaker001:] and and most importantly I couldn't believe any of those people they didn't seem believable
[speaker002:] did you just switch back and forth between programs
[speaker001:] oh all four um well we have the independent here and we've got the three majors and PBS and we watched all four of those and on more than occasionally I went to a bar that had CNN running around the clock
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and still I got this feeling as though from these six or eight news sources I had that something was missing
[speaker002:] uh I think they they withhold when it's advantageous both sides both sides and I think when Norman announced afterwards on the Barbara Walters Show
[speaker001:] and oh Storming Norman
[speaker002:] yes that um he knew you know what to expect out of Saddam Saddam Hussein that he was playing games you know and and they both were I think that's all part of warfare is to play games
[speaker001:] oh of course and you've got to expect that
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] but I had the feeling that no matter who I listened to it wasn't that they weren't telling me the truth I felt that someone was lying to me and there's nothing there still at this state that I can put my finger on and say oh here's where they lied to me
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] just a feeling
[speaker002:] yeah well let's hope we don't have to go through that again
[speaker001:] yes wouldn't it be wonderful if there were no more wars
[speaker002:] oh that would be nice I hope we never never get to but I'm afraid um human nature is such that somewhere there'll be a fanatic that will start something
[speaker001:] and more importantly wouldn't it be nice in this land of the free and home of the brave if there were never again be any misinformation
[speaker002:] oh yes oh yes |
[speaker001:] Uh, well how is it appropriate to be talking about exercise attitudes? [Breathing] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] We, uh, well, uh, my, my husband is right now teaching an aerobics class.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] He's an aerobics instructor. And, um, is going to be, uh, entering [breathing] North Texas [breathing] for uh, a Kinesiology program there. *two utts?
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And, um, [breathing] the, the how I met him was through, uh, the aerobics class that he used to teach.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh. You're a student?
[speaker002:] Yeah, so.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] I'm, I'm an avid aerobics, [breathing] uh, person and just very, very athletic. Enjoying a th-, you know, uh, anything dealing with sports.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh, uh-huh.
[speaker002:] So, and how do you feel about it? [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Uh, I'm, I am a person who wishes I had more time to exercise. I,
[speaker002:] [Breathing].
[speaker001:] I don't feel like I, I don't very often do things for the sake of exercise. I don't feel well unless I am exercising and I try to do things that involve exercise, but, I very rarely do things like, um, I've never done aerobics or any sort of structured, this is my exercise time
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] but, I do lots of outdoor sports and things, bicycling, uh, you know, mountaineering, a little mountaineering, this and that, and I spend a lot of time and I probably get more exercise than your average person. But, it's not a, a structured sort of thing, and I have to admit I have a certain resistance to the idea of exercising for exercising's sake,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and perhaps, it's because somehow that implies to me it's not fun, or something like that.
[speaker002:] Yeah, well I, I've, my, that's the way my mother stands on it. She feels like if it's something that you have to do, you know,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] if you look at it as if you have to do it,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] then it becomes, it becomes a chore,
[speaker001:] Yes, yes.
[speaker002:] and, and, she doesn't enjoy it when it's a chore. So, um, and I feel that way too as far as, you know, just sitting and doing, you know, to, the idea of doing fifty sit-ups or something, you know, to,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh, uh-huh.
[speaker002:] you're a calcu-, you know calculated down and do your calisthenics,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] you know, three times a week or,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh, uh-huh.
[speaker002:] but, but I do try and, um, I do try and regulate how much exercise I get a week.
[speaker001:] Yeah, yeah. Is that why you like aerobics classes, because you're not, sort of, someone else is doing the counting for you, so,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] it makes it less of a chore?
[speaker002:] And, it's got, and I've always enjoyed dance.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] So it involves, you know, I, I can't get out to dance all the time and,
[speaker001:] Yeah, would that we could [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Yeah, [LAUGHTER] and it's, and it's more regulated, I mean you're, you're using different parts of the body.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh, uh-huh.
[speaker002:] So, it, it is like dance, an-, and it's structured like that, but you have the music, and someone, like you said, someone else is counting,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] so, it makes it easier for me.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And, someone else is telling me, okay, you know, let's move this way, let's move that way,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh, uh-huh.
[speaker002:] instead of me having to think about it so much.
[speaker001:] Right. You can just trust someone else to give you full exercise and all you do is follow along and enjoy yourself.
[speaker002:] Yeah, yeah. But, I'm like you, I also, um, like to participate in, uh, things like, well, we just went to the, uh, Myererson Symphony Run this past weekend, and, and that was a lot of fun and you get to meet different people,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh, uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and, um, just get out, you know,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh, uh-huh.
[speaker002:] out and about, and it's, it, it's something you can all, like our, we did it as a family, so,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] it was, it was quite a lot of fun.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and, biking and I, I, I love to swim, so I love it when, you know, it's swimming weather,
[speaker001:] Um.
[speaker002:] and, uh,
[speaker001:] Well, you're talking to someone from California where it's often swimming weather [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Oh, I didn't realize that.
[speaker001:] Uh [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] I'm sorry.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Well, I'm in Texas. I, I just assumed that I had, this is the first call I've done,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and, I didn't realize that they ha-, were going to reach out to people from,
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] all over the country.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] You wouldn't know that [LAUGHTER]. Oh, I,
[speaker001:] So, it's the, it's, it's the, the act-, well it's actually, it's interesting, because there are re-, real regional differences. Um, in California there's, uh, almost an assumption,
[speaker002:] [Breathing].
[speaker001:] um, unless you're, sort of, clearly of an older generation, or something, you know, in your sixties, or something like that, I'm, I'm, I'm not. Uh, there's an assumption that you do something for your physical fitness, and, and, at least in urban California. And, maybe not, I don't know about rural California too well. But, in urban California it's just, you know, for all I know aerobics started out here. I don't know where they actually started, but they, you know, the craze really picked up big here and before that there was the running craze. And, they, California gets, you know, tends to be a bit faddish, but,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] the remarkable thing is how well the fads catch on elsewhere. So, there must be something to some of them. And, uh,
[speaker002:] Well, I think people are, are more inc-, um, um, people from California seem to be more health motivated all around. I mean, as far as the diet, and everything. Uh, the diet and, uh, just your health consciousness, and, I mean, it just,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] seems like, uh, a lot of those ideas generate out of California. Not just exercise, but,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] health, health related ideas. And, I, it's curious, I don't know why, don't know if it's, do you, does California have a,
[speaker001:] Well, there's a sense of it being a package,
[speaker002:] [Breathing].
[speaker001:] I think. There, there is a sense of, you know, whole, there's a lot of, you know, you'll get organizations, like institutes for the whole health, or whatever. And, uh, oh the, the, the uni-, University of California at Berkeley puts out THE WELLNESS LETTER. Which is, uh, turned into a fairly well subscribed to, uh, newsletter,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] monthly or biweekly newsletter or something like that and, and, it doesn't deal with just exercise, or just stress management, or just diet, or anything. It, it's on fairly so-, solid scientific ground. Uh, it's just dispensed with these distinctions. It says ever-, all sorts of factors go into health and there's no reason to talk about one rather than another, so that they, they combined them all together. And, uh, so it's had that orientation for quite some time. Um, there's been some progressive medical schools out here,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh [breathing].
[speaker001:] that have taken that approach. And, um,
[speaker002:] Now do you think that's because they've realized that for whole health, that, the, you know, you have to have that combination, or that people are motivated that way so that they've incorporated that into their program.
[speaker001:] Boy,
[speaker002:] Do you think the program came first or the,
[speaker001:] yeah, that, there's a, I, I can say there's a correlation, but I couldn't say which, which caused the other. They sort of, dev-, you know, each developed a little bit and then would feed off one another and develop a little bit more, and a little bit more.
[speaker002:] Yeah, the more money they put into it.
[speaker001:] Yeah. And,
[speaker002:] I can see that. And, cause, I, knowing from institutes of learning like that, I know that they've got to get their money somewhere, and somebody's got to be willing to pay for it, and believe in it, so,
[speaker001:] Yeah, yeah. Exactly. And, part of it is California,
[speaker002:] [Breathing].
[speaker001:] you know, in, back in the sixties, had a lot of alternative movements and some of them fizzled out and some of them were disastrous and others of them, um, had an impact on the society around here. And one of the ones that had an impact was, uh, people becoming interested in alternate practices, I'm not sure if it was a meditation practice, or if it was, you know, which is similar to a stress management practice or alternates to, uh, A M A approved medicine. Uh, you have, you know, major, um, acupuncture schools and things out here. And, and you could have them around long enough and more and more people start believing them or wondering how to combine them with other things,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and, before long, you, you get this, this whole kind of Gestalt, this whole package of, of health, of health care and options
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and, uh, and exercise is, is strongly considered one of them. The irony is, is its people in the cities, in my experience, that are most oriented towards doing the exercise. And, I guess because they spend all day in back of their desks. The average person out on the farm, at least traditionally, {A now they drive fancy tractors as much as anything
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] but } at least traditionally, the laborers, last thing,
[speaker002:] Or they're older.
[speaker001:] Pardon me.
[speaker002:] Well, don't you think they tend to be older in the rural ar-. I, I sometimes think that it's almost frantic effort on the part of the people in the city.
[speaker001:] Oh, like everything else.
[speaker002:] I live in a rural area, so, *needs slash
[speaker001:] Yeah, yeah. The rat race to exercise [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] you know, I see that. *sd It's, yeah, it's, it's like it's frantic, to,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] you know, to, uh, achieve, something that, that a person in a rural area, uh, almost doesn't worry about it to such a degree, but stays, you know, almost healthier, you know, *slash error; one utt with 116
[speaker001:] Yeah, well I,
[speaker002:] as a fit person [breathing].
[speaker001:] I think so. I mean you, you've, if you look at cert-, if you look at other cultures, like I know a little bit about people who were considered very healthy in China and they don't do very much vigorous exercise at all. But, they do a lot of low keyed, low impact, low stress exercise, and they combine it with a, you know, meditation or whatever. Some sort of relaxation
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and, they seem pretty, you know, they don't have the hard body. They don't have that perfect look, and an awful lot of exercise is sort of image conscious. But they, you know, they live to a hundred and ten some [LAUGHTER], you know,
[speaker002:] Yeah,
[speaker001:] And, that, that's,
[speaker002:] Well, don't you think a lot of that is diet too?
[speaker001:] and, a lot of that is diet. That's true.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Yeah, I mean, they eat, they eat a lot of carbohydrates, and not much fat.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] Um, for economical reasons, not for preference. Um,
[speaker002:] Yeah and as we can see. Well, I'm a, I'm a practicing vegetarian so, uh, I've read a lot of information, knowing that to be true,
[speaker001:] Yeah am I actually.
[speaker002:] What's that?
[speaker001:] I, as am I.
[speaker002:] Oh, are you also [LAUGHTER],
[speaker001:] Yes [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER] Well that's, that's good as far as the cal-, is that, is that, um, pretty predominant as far as California do-, doe-,
[speaker001:] It is in the urban areas, yes.
[speaker002:] In the urban areas?
[speaker001:] Most, for example most restaurants in an urban area will have a little vegetarian section now.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh. Oh that's wonderful.
[speaker001:] Well most, most, mo-, sort of modern looking restaurants will,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] you can,
[speaker002:] That's great, I mean, we, uh, it's such a chor-, it's such a trouble here. I mean, you just have to eat at home basically.
[speaker001:] I was wondering that, because I was actually applying for a job in Texas, and, and, and, uh,
[speaker002:] Well of course in the cities,
[speaker001:] it occurred to me,
[speaker002:] yeah, well, in the cities, we live close to Dallas,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] so, uh, which, you know, you get, uh, an influx of a lot of people from all over the country, so,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh, uh-huh.
[speaker002:] you're going to have a lot of di-, more choices, but,
[speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah.
[speaker002:] but, in urban areas it's, you know, steak places, an,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] and it's not a, you know, it's, uh, it's definitely, it, it's, it's changing to a degree, but, um, it's very frustrating. *slash error
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] And, even, even with health food stores and stores where you can buy natural products or, uh, organic, you know, materials,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and foods and things. You don't really have that, I mean, you would think. |
[speaker001:] Go ahead [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Oh, okay [LAUGHTER]. Yeah, the, uh, subject is child care and how to determine child care, and that's, uh, an interesting one for me to talk about since I have no children, but I did run a child care facility for a while.
[speaker001:] Um.
[speaker002:] And, uh, have some,
[speaker001:] Well, you should, you should have some opinions on that, then.
[speaker002:] I do have some thoughts on that, yeah. Uh, it's, uh, an interesting experience to be a surrogate parent for, or parent for a lot of people there, and, uh, it's also very interesting in terms of how people choose the child care facilities [screeching].
[speaker001:] Well, I guess if I were going to choose, I mean, my first consideration would be safety.
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] [Lipsmack] My second consideration would be, uh, [lipsmack] uh, health.
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] And, uh, I guess my third consideration would be, uh,
[speaker002:] [Thumping].
[speaker001:] warm,
[speaker002:] [Screeching].
[speaker001:] environment, warm personal environment.
[speaker002:] Well, right. Uh, in Texas, we have to meet certain state standards in order to operate on a, at an institutional level and at a, like a small home level so [inhaling] [breathing] you meet the standards, but then after that there's, there's a lot more. I think it's important as the safety and health and that kind of stuff, is qualification of people who work there, and in hiring people who would work at the, uh, day care, the child care facility was very difficult to find qualified people, uh, in terms of, not just, just because somebody has a child or, uh, likes children doesn't really mean that they're qualified to give the child the kind of supervision and training that
[speaker001:] Oh, absolutely [throat clearing].
[speaker002:] that, uh,
[speaker001:] As a matter of fact, I believe that the safety and, and health, uh, issues, uh, depend in a very direct way on the people who are working with the children.
[speaker002:] Exactly. And that was the most difficult thing of all, to find the, the right people, the qualified people.
[speaker001:] And it's the most difficult of all for a parent, judge, uh
[speaker002:] Oh,
[speaker001:] because a person can be very nice and warm and loving, but if he's a space cadet and doesn't watch the children, and be aware of what the safety hazards are,
[speaker002:] Oh, exactly. And the other thing that's difficult in, uh, it's a too small setting, like a day care center is to find the right program of enrichment for the child, because you don't want to just warehouse the child, and I didn't want to run an institution where that was the case, where all we were doing were warehousing because the first four, five years or so important and you have to have the right kind of enrichment and that, that includes, uh, an atmosphere in which the child is safe and, and he's watched and his physical needs are cared for, but also his, uh, developmental needs are cared for, too.
[speaker001:] Maybe the right thing to do is to, uh, [lipsmack] when a couple has a child, [lipsmack] then they should both take, you say the first four or five years are the most important, and I think I would agree with that, they both take four or five years off and devote to parenting.
[speaker002:] That would be lovely.
[speaker001:] Get rid of all these child care centers, at least for young kids below the age of six.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And then [throat clearing], uh, and then, of course, to make up for that, uh, the, uh, parents would have to work in their later years longer, you know, in other words, they probably would not work, may not, en-, may end up not working at all d-, in the twenties. Uh,
[speaker002:] Well, that's an interesting thought because,
[speaker001:] But then they have to work from age thirty or, or forty to age seventy or eighty or ninety.
[speaker002:] That would be okay [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] That would, that would help on the other end, too, in, in terms of not warehousing people and letting people be productive for as long as they can be.
[speaker001:] Right, well, you know, the, uh, uh, the world is changing f-, uh, from instit-, from, uh, industrial, uh, base to, uh, information base and so
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] what that means is you don't have to be physically powerful to work.
[speaker002:] That's exactly right.
[speaker001:] All you have to do is have a sharp mind, and I believe that, uh, mental acuity is easy to sustain, maintain, if you just simply continue to exercise your mind.
[speaker002:] Oh.
[speaker001:] [Breathing] So I think a person could work, [breathing] uh, into the seventies, eighties, even nineties for that matter, if they didn't have to do a lot of physical, uh, labor, they could main-, maintain, uh, |
[speaker001:] [Static] Okay.
[speaker002:] Are you a T I -er, or,
[speaker001:] No, I'm not.
[speaker002:] Oh, really, that's great. Uh, my daughter talked to a student. Uh, in general most of them, uh, people doing this are T I -ers, but I guess customers too, huh?
[speaker001:] And, I think a great number of students who got word of it and participated in general and voiced who heard about the program.
[speaker002:] Yeah. T I -s got, uh, a lot of advances in it really. Uh, hopefully this will turn out to be a good program for us. We sure need, uh, the business. Okay, Current Events. Uh, you, you've got the question you can go first there, since I called.
[speaker001:] I rely primarily on, uh, newspaper combined with television.
[speaker002:] Huh, that, you're the opposite of me. I drive an hour each way to work and so if I just use time and not say one, which quality is the best, I guess, that would be two hours roughly of talk shows and news on radio and then newspapers and T V would be tied after that because maybe I'll catch the, the evening news, like ten o'clock on T V and I,
[speaker001:] Uh.
[speaker002:] so that's a half an hour roughly the same with newspaper.
[speaker001:] Okay.
[speaker002:] I really, of course, you, you're in a different part of the country, I, I really listen to a lot of the talk shows, I don't mean the gossip ones, but there's a lot of, on the weekends when I do chores, or whatever, I'm a radio hound I guess, I take the radio with me when I'm working on my car, the lawn or whatever, and turn on, they have everything from lawn work, lawyers, news, uh, veterinarians, all kinds of items, uh, so I'm, I'm a real radio buff, especially on the w-, when I'm doing chores.
[speaker001:] That's rather interesting.
[speaker002:] Yeah, I find it surprising. Because a lot of times, it, here, you know, I'll talk to some people here and I'll mention someone's, some talk host and I'll expect them to have an opinion on why I don't like him and don't listen, they don't even know,
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] you know, what the guys name is, uh. Bruce Williams who does financial work all over the United States. Most people haven't heard of Bruce Williams. You probably haven't either unless you're a radio buff.
[speaker001:] I'd, I'd have to say I haven't either.
[speaker002:] He is in New Jersey and is entrepreneur and kind of a self-made millionaire. And, he has it, I, well it's five seventy here, I'm trying to, it's on Cliff, I don't know what the, he's on all stations. You might remember the name Bruce Williams, and he, he is again, national and talks about a lot of financial things. But, the here, I just get a kick out of, uh, well we do a lot of gardening here, so there's, we have an excellent gardener here, has three hours on Sunday and three hours on Saturday. Of course that's not exactly current events. But, I, I'm, I am kind of a radio buff.
[speaker001:] I listen to the radio, uh, probably g-, five or six hours a week, but almost inevitably to a station that is a classical, uh, station here,
[speaker002:] For music?
[speaker001:] for music purposes. We don't use the radio as a wake up, we have our, a television connected to a, uh, uh, electronic alarm,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] uh, system that kicks in, and it comes on with C N N in the morning.
[speaker002:] Oh, yeah. That's good. Actually,
[speaker001:] That we, we wake up to television news and, uh, uh, shower and dress, and whatever to that, and then because of the fact that my wife and I ride to work together, uh, in a car,
[speaker002:] Oh, that's good.
[speaker001:] we, we chat at each other rather than, than something else. Uh, and occasionally what we'll each do depending on whoever is driving is have the newspaper sort of on our lap on the way in, in the car, so we have the advantage of being able to, uh, read and drive although there seems to be, from what I've seen on the freeway recently that a fair number of people are reading and driving [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER] My wife always wonders about that she says, look at that person he's driving and reading at the same time [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] So, we, we rely pretty, pretty heavily, I think, on a combination of the, of the two. I also, uh, use, uh, NEWSWEEK magazine. Uh,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] we tend to alternate between NEWSWEEK and TIME and whatever happens to be the,
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] the, uh, news magazine of the year for us.
[speaker002:] W-, we get,
[speaker001:] and, uh, I read sporadically of commentary and a couple of other, you know, trade magazines, and, uh, uh, such as that, uh, where I might read the, the occasional social and even current event commentaries, and, and everything as diverse as A C M to, uh, uh, some of the, uh, some of the other tabloids I get. So, uh, I guess I use about eighty percent written, is probably my input and twenty percent, uh, television. I,
[speaker002:] Go ahead,
[speaker001:] I think I respect the, from a journalistic perspective current events. I've always said that it, it's really not interesting unless it's three weeks old and found its way into a news weekly headline.
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER] Good point. That's a good point.
[speaker001:] Uh, other than that it was a at best.
[speaker002:] Oh, yeah. It comes and goes.
[speaker001:] Uh, we're probably not thrilled with our only newspaper that we have in Raleigh. There, there are other, uh, uh, I'm not sure what you would call them, they co-, the small, uh, competing independent sort of newspapers. Little small weekly things, but there's only one daily, uh, called the NEWS AND OBSERVER, fondly referred to here by some as the, uh, uh, sometimes the Noise and Observer.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Uh, it depends. It, it's, has decent national coverage, but has an extremely focused political coverage, probably steeped in,
[speaker002:] Local you mean?
[speaker001:] the southern history and the fact that this is a Democratic State. And, uh, consequently everything is filtered through that, uh, Republican Democratic sort of,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] glass, almost unnecessarily so.
[speaker002:] Yeah. Don't they have city council meetings and all that. Are you into any of that what, what's going on in the city council and the, and the school boards and all that? We have that addition to our paper.
[speaker001:] Yeah, we, we have, that is, uh, as a matter of fact they update it once a week with a special section, we, and we pay it sort of glancing nod. We, uh, have a very good friend who is, uh, tapped into the city planning structure. Uh, our developer architect friend and,
[speaker002:] Okay , you get it from people then.
[speaker001:] Right. So, I think we find out what's happening in the city, uh, on a fairly frequent basis, over a, over a gin and tonic sort of thing.
[speaker002:] Yeah. Right.
[speaker001:] Uh, and that probably gives us a better insight as to the city of Raleigh than, than the paper would have anyway.
[speaker002:] My wife and I, you know, as mentioned, the question was, uh, do you get it from people too. And, and, I can say the same thing you do that, uh, my wife is, uh, she reads the paper from front to back and so she'll tell me some stuff and she'll always get mad and say, you didn't read the, uh, well, I always read the sports, uh, what am I thinking of, uh, the commentaries, I can't even think of what it is offhand, and she's always reading something, and she says, why haven't you read that. And, I say, I never have time to read it like you do. But, I always get a lot of my information from the,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] newspaper through her.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Uh, so, I guess we do get it from people too. Oh, you mentioned C N N, of course I mentioned radio and the C N N T V news, you know?
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] It's the same thing that's on the radio, word for word.
[speaker001:] Is that right? I,
[speaker002:] Yeah it,
[speaker001:] I'll heard there was some stuff on the, on the radio that was equivalent to C N N.
[speaker002:] Well, it is C N N exactly.
[speaker001:] Okay.
[speaker002:] Uh, because, uh, and it, because, uh, we have it here at work as a matter if fact, at T I.
[speaker001:] Okay.
[speaker002:] We have it in the break area, C N N. And, but the reason I say that is on the radio they'll say and look at this, you know. And when I first heard C N N, it only started about, uh, since the war, you know, or right before that. And, they would always say and look at this, and there would be a pause, you know,
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] would be music and stuff and I realized that it's the exact commentary that you have
[speaker001:] Oh,
[speaker002:] on the, uh, the news.
[speaker001:] That didn't, uh,
[speaker002:] Yeah, yeah. But, it's still good. It's still, uh, uh, you know, you don't really miss anything.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] But, I do, do enjoy since the Gulf War listening to C N N radio too, as well as watching C N N on T V here at work. I don't have C N N at home. [Noise] [radio]. Let me turn this mic-, radio off, I'm actually at work right now believe it or not. Uh, where was I, I'm, go ahead, your, your turn.
[speaker001:] Uh, we probably were listening to C N N fairly heavily before the war broadcasts began. Uh, we almost live and, and breathed it for, because during the war itself to the point where we began to sort of have household pact of lets turn the war off and get something done.
[speaker002:] Yeah, I've, I've heard that, yeah.
[speaker001:] Uh, almost an addition, uh, and, and, and we could equate or relate relay well to some of the newspaper and television articles about the fact that people where having this problem in, in unhooking, uncoupling from the events, and going on with their. So,
[speaker002:] Right [NOISE].
[speaker001:] instead of being, watching the missiles and being glued to the tube or whatever. Uh, and because of that we began towards the middle and of the war, I guess about two and a half or three weeks in, we began to restrict our news almost deliberately where we would, uh, watch, uh, fifteen minutes before, fifteen minutes after six our time which would be national news, or our local news. We would watch C N N until six thirty, then we would watch, uh, a rotating network news of either, uh, A B C, C B S, or N B C and we, we sort of just rotated around the dial each night a different one. And,
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] we would watch the first fifteen minutes and then we would turn the television off and we were sort of limiting or dieting ourselves on, on news that way. And, then we would do a similar thing, uh, at uh, ten forty-five because, uh, C N N would be wrapping their hourly coverage up and then we would get the local coverage, uh, and then I think the local coverage we would tend to watch the same station that would, would have better state coverage rather than local coverage. Uh, three of the networks here, on their local news, uh, that if, if you wish to listen at eleven o'clock you can find out who raped who, murdered who, or stole what.
[speaker002:] Oh, yeah.
[speaker001:] from whom. And, that was the sort of thing that I would say is the best MUMBLEx and not news
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] unless there's some trend or something that says, Jesus this neighborhood has been hit forty-seven times or whatever. Uh, that's, that's sort of more of, of a pattern news.
[speaker002:] I never get home early enough for those five and six o'clock, |
[speaker001:] [Noise] [sounds like in a room filled with people] What do you think about the benefits in jobs?
[speaker002:] Um, I'm, I'm relatively satisfied with the benefits I have. I think that, um, our health insurance is terribly expensive.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] I'd rather that we got a bit more coverage for a lot less money. But, um, you know, that's, that's my major complaints, I guess. What about you?
[speaker001:] Yeah, and a lot of times they turn down your claims so that leaves you paying for all of it.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh. Or, or maybe that it's not understood what should be covered and what isn't.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh. Yeah. Right the
[speaker002:] Yeah, I, *slash error
[speaker001:] health insurance I have is Met Life, and, if, it's the type that if you go to a certain doctor then, uh, you just pay ten dollars and then, uh, the insurance pays the rest of the bill. Or if you go outside you get, uh, seventy thirty.
[speaker002:] I see. *slash error Now we, I have just the regular insurance so that any doctor is covered but what I found recently is what they've been doing is they, they poll somehow the area, and then they have what they consider a justifiable price for the area where your doctor is located based on zip code.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And so recently, when, when we had a claim, um, they didn't pay the eighty-five percent they paid much lower and when I called they said, Oh well, that's because your doctor is charging much more than the norm for the area. And I was really surprised because either there aren't that many of that type of doctor within that zip code, so that, you know, two doctors could balance each other out, or their, you know, their statistics aren't very accurate. *listen
[speaker001:] Right. And, and they're probably doing it to their benefit, anyway. So,
[speaker002:] Yeah, I would assume that [LAUGHTER] you know, whatever doctors are willing to do the paperwork and send it in.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] But it's, it's difficult. What about other, other benefits? Are there others that you're dissatisfied with?
[speaker001:] Well, I work for Sears, and, and, um, that's about the, the only real benefit you have, is health insurance.
[speaker002:] Well, you have vacation, I mea-,
[speaker001:] Yeah, yeah, but everybody gets vacation. I mean, like, uh, T I and some other places, you know, they have so-, recreational facilities, and they have a driving range and weight room and, you know, I think they even have a swimming pool
[speaker002:] Huh.
[speaker001:] and I don't know if they have any tennis courts or anything like that.
[speaker002:] Yeah, I'm not familiar with that sort of thing, but you know, to me vacation [LAUGHTER] is, is an issue, and I mean, different places have different amounts of vacation, I would assume.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] And, um, you know, the leniency with which they let you take leave without pay, perhaps or, um, [pause] I don't know, I suppose, um, sick days. Some places count the number of hours and some places just sort of believe you.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Um, ours is based on number of days, and, you know, people try to build them up in case they really do get seriously ill.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] Right. But, um, otherwise, I'm not aware of any problems with the benefits around here [pause]. So maybe that covers the topic then.
[speaker001:] Yeah. Well, I don't know, the work-, the working conditions, you know, if you could include that in benefits. Some places aren't very safe to work.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And, and some places don't compensate you for the hazards that you, that you have to work under.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh. Or maybe a ben-, uh, not really a benefit, either, but would be the allowing you to use the telephone for personal calls.
[speaker001:] Right, uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Um, but, you know I suppose some places are, are more stringent about that than others.
[speaker001:] Yeah, I think so.
[speaker002:] And, and, maybe arriving late or something like that, you know, how, how they enforce the rules.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh [pause].
[speaker002:] But other than that I don't have much feeling for, [LAUGHTER] for the benefits, since, like I said, um, I don't have a big problem with, with them.
[speaker001:] Um, work-, workmen's comp is a big thing now in, in Texas because, um, um, how much it costs the employers
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and a, a lot of them are going to their own insurance now. And it reduces some of the length of the benefits, and, uh, and I don't know besides that. But I, I noticed right off that was a year less than what the state was allowing.
[speaker002:] Oh I, I didn't know that somebody could avoid workmen's compensation.
[speaker001:] Well, well, they still have to pay it but they buy their own instead of going through the state.
[speaker002:] Oh, I see.
[speaker001:] So apparently it costs less that way.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh, uh-huh. I suppose that whenever companies can avoid, um, benefits, it's to the, to, to the benefit of the company [LAUGHTER]
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and at least, you know, financially in the short run, but I would think they would get a much greater turnover and that people would be dissatisfied working for them. *slash error
[speaker001:] Yeah. That's what I, what I think the-, they should be able, they should be able to judge their benefits on how happy their employees are and how much profit they're making instead of trying to cut everything down *listen and then have everybody be unhappy and, and have a constant turnover of people.
[speaker002:] Right. *slash error I mean, sure, the payroll is lower that way, but I would assume that the productivity is way down, also.
[speaker001:] Yeah, the productivity and the training costs, if they have to train the same employee, a new employee every six months, then I don't see how they can save money.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh, uh-huh.
[speaker001:] You know, and once they once they get somebody good, they ought to hang onto them.
[speaker002:] That's right. No, I agree.
[speaker001:] Okay, it was nice talking to you.
[speaker002:] Well thank you for calling. Bye-bye.
[speaker001:] Yeah. Bye-bye [Noise] [sounds like a room filled with people].
[speaker002:] Bye-bye. |
[speaker001:] okay
[speaker002:] the public school systems well everybody's known has known they've needed renovation for years but never really had a clear direction on which way to go with it
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] the first direction that I can see or I wish I would love to see them go with kids learn at different rates and for too long they've kind of lumped everybody together you'd learn at this rate and that's the only way it's going to happen
[speaker001:] yeah that's true
[speaker002:] you've got some kids that'll pick up on it in the first three minutes you're talking about it and the rest the other fifty seven minutes you've been talking about a subject you've bored them
[speaker001:] yeah yeah that's that's very true um I guess I can relate to that because I have two kids that are opposites like that uh one picks up real quick and the other one doesn't and you're right they do get bored uh really fast if they already know what you're talking about what do you propose that they do what what is your suggestions
[speaker002:] the educators need to be a little bit more open minded as well as innovative in dealing with uh the various students to get the maximum potential out of the person
[speaker001:] uh-huh out of each child
[speaker002:] out of each child some kids are going to be great with mechanical stuff other kids are going to be
[speaker001:] each individual child
[speaker002:] really into math some are really going to be heavy into reading
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] instead of pushing the scales too far either direction I mean it's great to be well rounded and have be exposed to all this stuff
[speaker001:] yeah that's
[speaker002:] but why not hit the points the kid's really interested in because if he's interested he's going to study it and he's going to learn it and he's going to remember it
[speaker001:] that's true the only I think the only thing that they would argue about that is that you know every child needs to learn every subject I mean that's that might be the only thing but I mean I I definitely agree with you um
[speaker002:] they need exposure to every subject they don't need to be masters of it
[speaker001:] right right that's true
[speaker002:] everything I learned about ancient Rome has has not helped me anywhere in my adult life
[speaker001:] um yes I definitely agree there's no doubt about that I uh I I mean I can relate to that because I'm I'm going to college right now and I feel like I mean I'm taking this history class and I mean it's so boring and I just hate it and I think why do they make us take this stuff I mean what does this have to do with getting you know a computer science degree or whatever you know
[speaker002:] what what type of history class is it that you're having to take
[speaker001:] uh American History we have to take um like this is like early seventeen hundreds through I don't know I think like mid eighteen hundreds and then we have to take another one that's mid eighteen hundreds on up to basically present
[speaker002:] well the early ones they could actually combine two two levels of it the one from seventeen hundred until
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] say the end of the Civil War combine that into one and then from eighteen sixty five to present and make that your second step because
[speaker001:] yeah that's well that's basically what they're doing
[speaker002:] to a point to a point the bottom you know the early parts of it you're giving the foundations of the nation and but even then they're skimming over they're very trivial almost trivial with it
[speaker001:] yeah oh yes definitely I agree
[speaker002:] they want if I mean if they really wanted to get to the meat of the matter I mean there's
[speaker001:] yeah there's
[speaker002:] they make all these people out to be oh they were great men and they're the father of the country and all this he had just as much dirt on him as anybody else if not more the man was not a saint
[speaker001:] yeah that's true yeah any way this this um school system thing I I tell you I saw something on the news oh I don't know maybe two weeks ago and they were talking about I don't know where you're from but I'm from the Dallas area and they were talking about the Plano school system that they had one school that uh if the students did something wrong I mean whether it was behavioral or uh you know they weren't learning properly or something they took these students and put them basically in a closet with no windows they had a a table or not a table but a desk in this closet and they had to sit in there by themselves well parents were getting really angry about this because they said why is my child being put in this closet well how is that helping my child you know and uh the the thing you know they said well we're giving them isolation time and this helps them to think but a lot of kids I mean if a child has uh claustrophobia I mean that's just going to terrify him you know and
[speaker002:] if if the isolation concept really works that good why are our prisons overcrowded
[speaker001:] uh that's true that's true but no I mean they were uh I mean I definitely agree with parents I think that is a very wrong way to handle uh disciplining a child putting them in I mean they were they were called they called them their quiet rooms or their isolation rooms they didn't call them closets but they showed these rooms on uh you know on the news and I mean they looked like a closet to me you know with a desk in it a real small but they said that one of the solutions they came up with was to take the doors off of these isolation rooms I said now what good does this I mean how is this helping I mean either way you know I I definitely had to disagree with that I think that is that's not the way to handle a child you know discipline a child by putting him in a closet
[speaker002:] the the um as a part of the revamping of the entire education system on that level the public school system I want to see changed too when I was brought brought up if you crossed the line and you broke a rule bad enough you were going to get spanked well then the extreme came in and now we can no longer spank them so we now isolate them
[speaker001:] right right yep uh
[speaker002:] okay we've swung the pendulum both ways let's find a middle ground instead of there has to be some sort of discipline and there has to be some sort of punishment
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] short of physically isolating the child and short of physically hitting the child
[speaker001:] well
[speaker002:] let's put him into a situation where okay you crossed the line you broke the rule you're going to have to pay for it
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] but it's going to tax you physically
[speaker001:] uh-huh I I don't
[speaker002:] have the I mean instead instead have have them pick up around the school yard have them weed a flower bed somewhere on the school yard do something to beautify the school property
[speaker001:] yeah that's true
[speaker002:] but you cut you know the the kid's having to give up his quote play time to
[speaker001:] uh
[speaker002:] pay his debt for what he did wrong but he's seeing something c onstructive come out of it
[speaker001:] well um I have to I think one of the positive things I mean one of the things that can come out of uh is not just discipline discipline okay but okay for instance one of the things they do at uh my kids school uh they have what they call uh caught being good slips and when the kids are in halls and stuff and if they're being really good I mean just being excellent they're not you know cutting up and so on they're just standing in line doing whatever they are supposed to they get one of these caught being good slips and then when they collect them at the end of each week they get to go to this little what they call their caught being good store and then they get to spend these like money well see to me that's positive reinforcement is much better much better than trying to find ways to discipline kids because they're going to be good and try and earn those things you know to get the positive part of it I mean they'd rather much rather go in the store and buy something than be spanked so they're definitely going to work towards being good you know rather than trying to act up and be bad you know
[speaker002:] I think that not only applies inside the public school system but in society itself we've been too long there's been too much negative reinforcement how much day like the caught being good slips how about just the John Q citizen out there on the street
[speaker001:] yeah well that's true I think I think really though I mean that's one thing that I mean my kids definitely get spanked when they need they need to be spanked but I really do try to use positive uh reinforcement with them at home also and it really helps and I mean they they don't get spanked very often but they they do when they deserve it you know but uh I don't think any kid should be exempt from being spanked I mean I I think I wouldn't mind if a teacher spanked my child but you know that's just my personal opinion and that's not going to I mean I don't think that law will ever change they are never going to let a a teacher spank a child again but I don't think I mean some kids don't get don't get spanked at home and some kids need to be spanked at home I mean don't you think
[speaker002:] I most most most wholeheartedly agree
[speaker001:] but I don't know
[speaker002:] I mean there's a point of over kill but somewhere in you've got to find an even line
[speaker001:] right right well there's so many parents that say you can deal with a child without spanking them which is true you can but there are times when a child needs to be spanked I mean they do things that they need that
[speaker002:] need that shock effect where they equate the shock of being spanked with the actions they did to get spanked
[speaker001:] right |
[speaker001:] okay
[speaker002:] how are you you want to go ahead and start talking about whether you budget
[speaker001:] yes yeah well I I I I feel like um I am from Mars I mean I'm fifty years old and uh I've been divorced for um eighteen years but I've two kids and all but I uh I I've never had a budget and I don't uh I don't do any planning and I don't know I don't uh uh I don't have a long-term financial plan and I don't try to control my expenses but I'm I'm glad you're a stranger
[speaker002:] that sounds kind of like me
[speaker001:] but really I'm I'm in a happy I I well I'm curious how other people live uh so maybe we should start with you what do you do
[speaker002:] about the same thing yeah
[speaker001:] really oh maybe they're going to arrest us both
[speaker002:] I'm even even in worse shape because I have eight children and uh we live from hand to mouth we hope that there's enough money at the end of the month to pay for the bills and if there's not then we try to due for the next month
[speaker001:] wow
[speaker002:] a couple a couple of times we've tried some things and they worked but I'm not disciplined enough to keep doing it
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] the best program we ever had is at the beginning of the month we took and uh took my check and divided it out into envelopes
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and then paid for the expenses out of that envelope and when the envelope was empty then you didn't have any more money to spend in that area
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and that worked out real well cause we didn't have to keep writing down what we'd spent
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] it was just that when that was empty you knew you were out of money and we did that pretty successfully for about three months and then we started borrowing from one envelope to put it in the other envelope and in about two months we were back to doing the same thing we always do
[speaker001:] huh the um I had a part-time job around oh gosh fifteen years ago seventy six and uh uh this was a sort of a career shift at the time and so I was willing to take a half time job to do that and I actually did my bank account would uh I had I I kept bouncing checks just at the end of the month but I I had miscalculated I well I didn't keep a balance it's one of the problems I never had to in the past I always kept plenty of money in my checking account but when you're only earning half the salary even though I wasn't spending much money I sometimes would just things would get to tight uh and sometimes what I would do is keep a piece of paper in my wallet and every time I uh I spent money I mean cash mostly I would uh write it down so I could see at the end of a month how much I spent on food so I could do better planning
[speaker002:] uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker001:] but I would forget to write the things down and it it that I I don't know if I ever went as far as three months or not in in keeping that kind of data I certainly haven't done that in sixteen years or whatever
[speaker002:] I even find now like with the automatic tellers I'll go take money out of that and then I forget to take that out of my checking account
[speaker001:] yeah uh-huh
[speaker002:] and uh
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] so I I I leave a little bit of a slush fund in my checking account and I figure that so the balance showing in the checking account is always somewhat different that what's really there
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and I figure that gives me room for the mistakes I make
[speaker001:] uh-huh the uh I I I have to say that let's see at this point on I don't run out of money um and it uh and and I don't I mean someday if I were to get remarried I might want to buy a house which requires lots of money which I don't have and I I I I think my strategy if if I may is is is is to is to not spend money I mean I don't have expensive tastes I don't go out I mean I buy a car well the last car I got rid of I'd had it was nineteen years old people people were embarrassed for me I mean it was it was a good car and
[speaker002:] yeah it was still running
[speaker001:] oh it was great my my mechanics loved it because it was an old it was a sixty five Buick and it just wouldn't stop um and it I I just didn't feel the need for a new car it isn't like I couldn't afford one
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] uh and now I mean I I don't uh I tend to eat expensive food I mean I don't mind buying a good steak but for me I only do that every week or um without even I mean maybe once a month
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] I mean you buy a a tenderloin steak it costs outrageous like twelve dollars a pound you buy a a less than half a pound so it's six or seven dollars to me I realize if you have eight kids you're not going to run out and do that
[speaker002:] not very often
[speaker001:] but but I'm just I'm just saying as a single person that's that's a drop in the bucket and so if you're extravagant on how you buy food it doesn't add up if you're buying mean if you're not going to super expensive restaurants which I don't care to go to
[speaker002:] that's right
[speaker001:] so so that's I think one of the reasons I don't need to budget is that I don't have I don't I don't have to hold myself back from buying that expensive thing because I can't afford it because I'm not interested in that expensive thing |
[speaker001:] uh consumer products and you have you ever recently uh returned returned anything recently
[speaker002:] well most recently the kinds of things I've been returned actually are uh are parts of you know repair parts
[speaker001:] repair parts for cars or something
[speaker002:] uh oh for for cars or for plumbing parts that kind of thing actually surplus parts that you know you need you think you need it and uh want to make sure you've got everything you need and taking things back and so uh other than that uh you know I haven't had an opportunity where I've needed to return something due to uh poor service or you know failure of it uh
[speaker001:] huh
[speaker002:] I guess
[speaker001:] nope no lemons huh
[speaker002:] no no I guess well the closest thing we did have is couple weeks ago uh starter on our daur daughter's car failed and so I had to uh try and find a replacement on a Sunday which in south is not very easy we don't have a whole lot of Sunday shopping for those kinds of things and uh and actually then it ended up with needing to found the parts but then there were some recent very recent repairs on the starter done and uh so my daughter took it back to the repair shop that did the work for her hundred and forty miles from here and they gave her money back right away
[speaker001:] well that's good
[speaker002:] presented you know tried to present a sound case for defective equipment and everything went very well
[speaker001:] that's a long way to go
[speaker002:] usually doesn't yeah well she's going to school there right now so you know she was headed back there so certainly wouldn't make an extra trip for fifty dollars for a hundred miles but uh she was headed back there so
[speaker001:] oh that's good
[speaker002:] worked out well how about yourself you had any recent uh experiences where with products that you've had to return
[speaker001:] well it's been difficult I don't know I haven't really returned anything because there's a lot of inertia to get through that process
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] um uh actually no I have tried to get it fixed for example I've had a I guess a uh a VCR
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and uh it was uh brand new and uh pretty pretty top of the line type of VCR and I had problems with it uh recording uh things uh something it would it was strange uh you can fast forward play through it and you'd see this uh picture on there but if you played it normal it would go in and out uh between uh blue program screen and the actual
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] thing that was being recorded it was very bizarre and the maintenance said it was due to weak signals I'm saying well you know I'm paying this a lot of money for this uh VCR and you're telling me just because it hasn't doesn't have a you know a strong enough signal it'll do this and that's strange because if it's if it's not strong enough then why is it that when you uh go slow motion or freeze frame or fast forward through it you can see the picture but when it uh you play it normal it goes in and out that's very bizarre to me and uh I have the worst time trying to just get him look at this problem and it ends up that they you know they just uh concluded that's that's all that's wrong with it and that's nothing nothing nothing wrong with the product and I said
[speaker002:] at the yeah well that's I guess that's one of the frustrations you end up talking with people that uh you know
[speaker001:] just great
[speaker002:] think they have considerable knowledge and uh you're not really convinced that they do and you almost end up bringing a third party in that uh you have trust in their competence
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] uh now it's not my position to advise and I don't have that experience with it certainly sounds like a bill of goods trying to be sold to you
[speaker001:] well I don't know it's uh it's hard to say it's there's there's nothing I could it didn't seem like there was much I could do about it
[speaker002:] uh yeah
[speaker001:] and I don't know if it's really getting better or worse um in that case it didn't really get any better
[speaker002:] you know or you know um I guess in situations like that are there other manufacturers or other companies that uh you can consult
[speaker001:] uh no I don't know
[speaker002:] you know like a similar product somebody that sells a similar product and say this you know am I getting the right kind of story here
[speaker001:] yeah well a lot of them probably say they don't know anything about it I don't know it just a lot of them give you the line uh you know we have repair car repair's the same problem
[speaker002:] uh yeah yeah
[speaker001:] things like that uh with all the electronics in the cars say but say say it gets a lot better gas mileage and |
[speaker001:] yes
[speaker002:] okay
[speaker001:] okay okay um uh what's your house like
[speaker002:] well it's four bedroom two bath a brick ranch house uh on a kind of a quiet dead end street next to a big wide open field
[speaker001:] um-hum um
[speaker002:] but we're two blocks from everything you need including a small mall
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and lots of businesses within walking distance but uh
[speaker001:] um-hum your city is a big city
[speaker002:] Austin's about a million people
[speaker001:] oh I guess it is big
[speaker002:] so it's it's it's it's it's a nice town it's real kind of a laid back place and uh kind of an environmentally conscious city
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum um-hum well my I have also have a four bedroom house uh we have three bathrooms two upstairs and one downstairs which makes it nice because um it's right off the garage so when Gene's working on his cars he can come in and take a shower without going through the rest of the house and then um I have a it's in a small city of like um eight thousand people and I don't know if you've heard of Modesto that's the closest big city
[speaker002:] I've heard of it I've never been there
[speaker001:] yeah yeah and it's on a cul-de-sac um which makes it nice because there's no through traffic you know about all the cars that come in here are people that just live right in here and uh
[speaker002:] yeah I like that feature about where we live that was one of the reasons we bought this house is because there's only six street six houses on the on the street so
[speaker001:] yeah it makes a lot nicer space I say I imagine you have little kids right
[speaker002:] no no not at all I have uh one kid and he's twenty almost twenty one
[speaker001:] oh okay well I have one also but he's he'll be thirty seven in uh February so but anyhow I have lots of little neighbor kids and they all love me and I just just worship them they can come in my house I have candy for them and cookies for them you know so I'm just like their aunt Rosy
[speaker002:] uh we still have there are actually no kids right in the immediate neighborhood but uh we just moved here about two years ago and we still have kids from the old neighborhood which is only a few blocks they come to visit they expect brownies
[speaker001:] um-hum oh yeah it's
[speaker002:] yeah they'll they'll stay till you bake a bunch but uh
[speaker001:] but anyhow as far as decorating my house and everything too I've uh stenciled uh practically in every room in my house which um it looked like it would be very hard to do but it ended up being really easy and it just really just makes the rooms you know I stenciled right above the right below the ceiling line on the walls like it looks something like a wallpaper border but it's actually is a stencil
[speaker002:] yeah right my wife and I've never tried any stenciling uh we've always thought we she wanted to anyway
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] uh somehow I feel like this particular house doesn't call for stenciling we've done some wallpapering and
[speaker001:] uh-huh um-hum
[speaker002:] uh my wife really likes to paint different colors and things so
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] that seems to be I think she ought to be a paint expert she's just in the wrong career field but uh we watch This Old House faithfully on Saturdays and do all of our own uh decorating work and repair work around the house and yard work
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] sometimes it's
[speaker001:] well you can't afford to have it done you know plus it's fun I enjoy you know going out and working in the yard and
[speaker002:] oh yeah
[speaker001:] you know just doing everything decorating the house up and changing it in fact I just bought a a large bird cage I had seen in magazines how they were decorating them that not that I want a bird I don't want a bird but I have decorated it up with flowers and I got a little nest in there that looks like it's got two little birds in there and I've got some dolls sitting in there it looks really really cute
[speaker002:] yeah my wife just remodeled since Christmas she's remodeled our bedroom with all new sheets comforters things like that and paint and she did a wallpaper border
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] new drapes uh looks it's just a whole different different atmosphere in there looks kind of like I like to hang out in there now during the daytime
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum yeah it's kind of fun to change too isn't it
[speaker002:] it's just yeah she picked a for the walls she picked a fudgesicle color
[speaker001:] fudgesicle color no
[speaker002:] yeah which well I thought well I don't know if this' ll work but when she finished it really looked good
[speaker001:] yeah it probably goes with a lot of different colors too
[speaker002:] yeah I don't think she meant for it to go with anything other than just fudgesicle walls and the ends the white trim
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] um just to give it a little bit different look than what it's always been or been lately anyway so
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum well you are the first man that I've talked to
[speaker002:] really yeah
[speaker001:] um-hum |
[speaker002:] where are you from Tina
[speaker001:] um I'm from Maryland and um I have one son who's months almost sixteen months old are are you married or
[speaker002:] yeah uh-huh I have I have two children I have a seven year old and a three year old
[speaker001:] you are oh
[speaker002:] and uh so I try to spend as much time as possible with them
[speaker001:] that's good uh what kind of things do you do
[speaker002:] well um we we do a lot of things with them you know Taylor Taylor my youngest is or my oldest is in school and so she has a lot of school programs and things like that
[speaker001:] oh
[speaker002:] how was it a big change in your life to uh have a child
[speaker001:] oh yeah um yeah it's really nice uh my husband uh um is is working most you know most of the time he's working long hours but uh
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] I'm staying home
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] uh I'm just working a couple days a month and um
[speaker002:] oh uh-huh what do you do during those those days
[speaker001:] um we we spend a lot of time at the playground and we go to the zoo and we go and we watch
[speaker002:] yeah well you said you said you worked a couple days a month though what do what do you do
[speaker001:] yeah yeah I'm a nurse
[speaker002:] oh are you
[speaker001:] so yeah so it's it's it's real easy to work out my schedule you know to uh get in to to still
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] stay in with that an and to have enough time to spend with Matthew he
[speaker002:] yeah yeah
[speaker001:] he's uh just now really starting to to get interested in a lot of things so um
[speaker002:] yeah I understand that yeah they really grow up quick especially at that early age
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] but my my wife was uh she worked part time when my oldest was was little and now she's staying home all the time but uh that worked out really well because it's a big transition I think to have children
[speaker001:] oh yeah
[speaker002:] you know to go from you know nothing you know if you want to do something every night that's fine but when you have children it doesn't work that way anymore so
[speaker001:] that's right and I think a lot of people are um are turning to well I think I think a lot of people are realizing that but still there are so many people that are you know have their careers first and it's uh I think it's really hurting the
[speaker002:] yeah yeah yeah I agree with you I
[speaker001:] the kids you know but
[speaker002:] I I think that my wife leaned that way and I'm really glad she did and you know I'm glad she's staying home but you know I know there are some days when she wishes she wishes she was back at work
[speaker001:] I know that's why I like to to work to work a couple days I think it's uh
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] it gives me a break
[speaker002:] yeah well see that's that's why I'm glad my wife did too because she worked either two to three three days a week and that got her out of the house and yet she'd get to spend you know three or four days with yeah yeah and so
[speaker001:] most of the time at home yeah uh we had started out like that and um I think that was really ideal uh
[speaker002:] yeah I do to I agree but then when you start having two of them it's you know a little bit tougher
[speaker001:] it's yeah
[speaker002:] because you've got to make a little more money to make that payoff and stuff
[speaker001:] yeah yeah it's difficult but
[speaker002:] are are you from the Maryland area
[speaker001:] uh-huh I'm I've I've lived here forever so
[speaker002:] really
[speaker001:] yeah I'm in I live in Germantown and uh are you where are you from
[speaker002:] um uh I'm in Dallas Texas
[speaker001:] in Dallas oh
[speaker002:] yeah so uh I'm I've lived here like eight years or so my wife's from Fort Worth
[speaker001:] oh uh
[speaker002:] but yeah I work for Texas Instruments
[speaker001:] okay oh so that explains well um I don't know I uh
[speaker002:] yeah that explains it doesn't it
[speaker001:] we we do a lot of things on the weekends together the family but uh
[speaker002:] yeah yeah
[speaker001:] but as far as during the week it's it's usually uh you know just my son and I and we're
[speaker002:] yeah what's your husband do
[speaker001:] uh he he works for Coca-Cola
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] so he uh he manages a plant out here an and it takes a lot of time
[speaker002:] oh oh yeah I'm sure it does
[speaker001:] but um it you know we take walks and go to the library and try to fill our day with things like that but um
[speaker002:] uh-huh yeah yeah what uh my wife did some teaching at like uh like a private tutoring place
[speaker001:] oh
[speaker002:] a Sylvan Learning Center this year and so that that got me to spend to be able to spend more time with the kids at night and stuff
[speaker001:] oh
[speaker002:] because normally if if they need something they just go to mom
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] no matter what it is I mean I could I'm perfectly capable of doing it for them but
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] it's so much easier to go to mom I guess they get used to it so but you know we'd go to the library and do things like that yeah but
[speaker001:] that's good that's good I know my husband was real uh in the beginning when he uh he was transferred to a a larger plant and he um
[speaker002:] but
[speaker001:] he works about an hour and a half away from here from our home and uh so it takes him a little bit of time and
[speaker002:] oh yeah
[speaker001:] I'm not able to work during the week uh because of that he was I was working in the evening and he was coming home and I I could go to work but uh
[speaker002:] uh-huh yeah
[speaker001:] their relationship uh when I was able to work in the evenings uh really grew he you know just the time that they were spending together
[speaker002:] uh-huh yeah
[speaker001:] I think it it really it really helped to have that time together
[speaker002:] uh-huh it really does because I think you you know you grow closer was your uh was your husband I mean naturally a child I mean had had he been around children
[speaker001:] uh oh yeah he has uh he has seven other brothers and sisters and they have
[speaker002:] oh
[speaker001:] we have thirteen grand well his parents have thirteen grandchildren
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] so it's uh you know there's a lot of kids in the family and and he really enjoys it but uh right now it's kind of a difficult time but
[speaker002:] yeah yeah yeah
[speaker001:] and and the cost of living here is just so tremendously you know outrageous um
[speaker002:] yeah yeah
[speaker001:] it's difficult uh to do it any other way
[speaker002:] yeah I understand
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] um you know it's it's hard because then you're not getting to spend as much time with at home I mean your husband is not getting to spend as much time at home as he'd want to
[speaker001:] that's right
[speaker002:] so yeah that that's a tough situation but then then again you know some you got to do what you got to do
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] you know to get along too so
[speaker001:] yeah yeah at least I I just consider myself blessed that I can stay home it uh
[speaker002:] uh-huh well well like I said my wife normally feels that way there are days when uh I come home and she says here take these kids I'm getting out
[speaker001:] I know
[speaker002:] so she's she's had about enough during those days
[speaker001:] I know
[speaker002:] but but for the most part I you know I've really feel like that's led the way that you know what just like what you said with the cost of living and everything I think a lot of people can't afford to get by on just one salary an
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and won't
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and so I think that's led tended to lead to a decline in in families and family values especially
[speaker001:] oh yeah it has
[speaker002:] and I really think that that's one of the problems the nation's facing that you know we need to do something about but I don't know what
[speaker001:] I believe that too and I think uh the kids are where they need to you know they need to really focus on the children in the world in this
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] country
[speaker002:] yeah would would you have said that a couple of years ago do you think
[speaker001:] no I didn't I didn't even really think about it that much I mean you know I knew I was aware vaguely aware of it but um I didn't it wasn't really that important to me and uh
[speaker002:] uh-huh uh-huh it's amazing how your whole focus on life changes after you've had a child
[speaker001:] oh it it really does I just the whole uh you know seeing how you really are creating are are forming this you know the mind
[speaker002:] uh-huh well you know in the next year or so you'll see so many instances where you know he'll mimic something that you've done and you see you know everything I'm doing he's learning from
[speaker001:] that's right
[speaker002:] and and you think if I wasn't here he'd be learning that from a babysitter or from a day care
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] you know they that's how they're developing their patterns and I think a lot of people either don't care or don't realize it you know that's
[speaker001:] or or they just put it in the back of their mind and let it slide I
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] I've seen a lot of people just say well you know he'll learn everything when he gets into
[speaker002:] yeah eventually
[speaker001:] uh you know
[speaker002:] yeah it's true
[speaker001:] but it um I I know even just this first year that I've been with uh my son here here um he's I can just see how much of of a difference it makes staying home with him instead of uh
[speaker002:] yeah yeah plus plus I think it becomes part of you part of you too I mean you get to stay home I mean it's not just for him but it's also for you because you're both kind of bonding together there too I think so
[speaker001:] yeah that's true yeah
[speaker002:] well it's been nice talking to you
[speaker001:] well it's nice talking to you too
[speaker002:] okay good luck okay good bye
[speaker001:] okay bye bye |
[speaker001:] all right you want to start out
[speaker002:] well it'll be real easy for us because we're both my husband and I are vegetarians so yeah so that's the first thing we look for is if we can eat there or not
[speaker001:] oh are you really oh are you strict vegetarians
[speaker002:] we're not vegan vegetarians we do we're ovolacto we do eat uh eggs and and milk products I used to be a complete vegan vegetarian where I didn't eat any animal products at all
[speaker001:] uh-huh um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] but um it was it's really difficult in the area if you don't have you know the products that you can get and if you go out to dinner there's virtually you know there's not a whole lot of things you can get
[speaker001:] there's very few places that you I'll bet that you could uh
[speaker002:] yeah I think maybe if you were somewhere like California where they have a lot more vegetarian restaurants and stuff but here basically you go to an Italian restaurant or you go to a Mexican restaurant you know where you can get foods that
[speaker001:] uh-huh um-hum
[speaker002:] you know where you have a little bit more variety as far as the pastas or the the corn meal you know or something
[speaker001:] um-hum yeah and you wouldn't have the meat products in that and some
[speaker002:] but yeah yeah you have to watch that too all you know some of the restaurants here they will you know like you can ask them and they'll tell you whether or not they use like lard or you know animal fat to cook with
[speaker001:] yeah uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker002:] so but so that's that we don't really eat out too much we we tend to eat at home and actually you know I think we we we get a have we have a healthier diet than the average person
[speaker001:] yeah uh-huh how long have you been doing this
[speaker002:] um I've been a vegetarian for uh two years now my husband has been one for oh just over a year now and uh so
[speaker001:] uh-huh do you feel that it has improved the way you feel
[speaker002:] definitely and it it makes you more aware of what you're eating because you you have to be I mean you you I think you
[speaker001:] you think um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] you you balance the foods uh you know you're more aware of what nutrient you know value each thing has and minerals and you're just more aware of food for energy for energy sake
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum I always thought it would be be hard to figure out what to eat if you were a vegetarian how how
[speaker002:] well that's just it you you do have to figure it out and and you know to get proteins and things and when I was a vegan it's you know you have to consider calcium and iron and things like that you you're not even getting through your milk products your egg products
[speaker001:] yeah um-hum uh-huh because you don't eat any of those things
[speaker002:] if you don't eat any of those but actually you can get everything you need through vegetables I mean there are there are there are you actually you can get more calcium through leafy green vegetables than you can get through milk products a lot of people don't know that well the thing is that milk products our bodies don't uh
[speaker001:] is that right uh-huh
[speaker002:] don't uh the the lactose that kind of milk it doesn't our we we tend to uh what's it called we don't synthesize the the calcium the same way
[speaker001:] uh-huh we throw more of it off our body out other words
[speaker002:] yeah we we slough some of it we we send we send some of it out because it our body doesn't accept some of it
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] so we're not utilizing we're when it when it gets rid of some of that um that we can't use it get rids it gets rid of some of the calcium
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] whereas we eat say broccoli you utilize all of it you utilize your your body accepts all of the broccoli
[speaker001:] um-hum all that's in it uh-huh
[speaker002:] so it's like it's like say a person using vitamins as opposed to uh vitamin supplements as opposed to eating regular food
[speaker001:] why uh-huh
[speaker002:] your body just doesn't accept vitamins and the minerals in the the vitamins in
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] uh supplements that it does in regular food you know so but we both we both feel much healthier much healthier and I couldn't consider going back to eating
[speaker001:] that's interesting uh-huh after you have been on this
[speaker002:] yeah well now I changed for ethical reasons and my husband
[speaker001:] yeah uh-huh
[speaker002:] has changed he feels more ethically about it but he he in the beginning began for health reasons
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] but um now he he feels like I do that he looks at the things that he eats and he realizes what they are before he eats them and he you know
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh-huh he thinks more about them then
[speaker002:] yeah plus he eats we both think more about I thought more of about it as far as what it was I was eating
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] you know as far as a living creature and now we both think a lot of well what is it we're eating in relation to what it's going to give to our bodies too so
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum so you kind of have a combination
[speaker002:] um-hum yeah
[speaker001:] uh-huh now see we I live in a farming community
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] so of course we have a lot of animals and that type of thing raised in our area
[speaker002:] well we do too I mean I was raised in um we're in cattle country and people here buy a half a cow and put it in their freezer you know and that
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum oh yeah yeah
[speaker002:] that's the way I and I believe you me it wasn't easy to give up to give up a hamburger that that was one of my favorite foods was was a was a good steak or a hamburger but
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] you know I suppose if you really believe in something it's you you adjust your life because your mind you your you inside yourself you just it's not right
[speaker001:] you get adjusted to the taste um-hum um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] so but um
[speaker001:] um-hum so you would have a little more trouble when you were looking for a dining area than what most
[speaker002:] oh yes
[speaker001:] most people would
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] now we wouldn't have that problem because we're not vegetarians
[speaker002:] so what do you look for when you
[speaker001:] uh I think the main thing that I look for is uh cleanliness uh you know the in the appearance of the people that work there and the uh quality of the food that they serve
[speaker002:] uh-huh do you normally when you're traveling do you look for places that's established that that you've been to before or are you willing to try new places
[speaker001:] if oh we try new places but when we a lot of times we do eat where we know
[speaker002:] yeah like a chain restaurant or something
[speaker001:] what um-hum what the quality because a lot of them are the same no matter where you stop
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and uh we do do that a lot and I guess I'm getting old older also I like to be served I like to sit down and have my uh order taken
[speaker002:] as opposed to like a cafeteria kind of
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] situation yeah
[speaker001:] so I suppose you'd say I well I I don't know whether it's age or what it is but I have
[speaker002:] well no I don't think so I think it's just your because I I prefer to be waited on too I just if you're going to go out to eat why not have the whole service you know why why not get the whole
[speaker001:] yeah yeah
[speaker002:] I guess because we don't go out that much I feel like it's a treat
[speaker001:] um-hum you should feel have a treat and I like the light meals not all restaurants have light meals on their menu
[speaker002:] yeah uh-huh
[speaker001:] you know and I
[speaker002:] oh light menu you mean like cooked light or
[speaker001:] uh L I T E like uh uh things that aren't as heavy a meal
[speaker002:] oh I see uh-huh
[speaker001:] it that you get more uh fruit and maybe cottage cheese or a chicken breast or things that aren't as uh they're not breaded and they're not fried and they're not
[speaker002:] not a lot of gravy and things like that you know I I like those too I like those too because uh some seems like sometimes it's
[speaker001:] yeah uh but not all restaurants uh-huh
[speaker002:] you order a meal you order their dinner meal and it's like they're trying to find out how much you can eat or or
[speaker001:] I know it's too much yes
[speaker002:] or or like evidently people go in there and they're not satisfied that they'd been given enough and they complain and maybe they're afraid that people are going to complain or something I
[speaker001:] um-hum I don't know what it is but now for instance we we had a Scout dinner last night we went to and it's it's they uh well they'll serve you at your seat and usually usually the salad bar is included so you have to get up for that but they have so much food that you not matter how hard you try to restrain yourself you end up eating much more than you need
[speaker002:] uh-huh and I think that's a shame I mean I must admit sometimes I do like a buffet but uh but I think that they just tend to make you you say oh well I've have got all I can eat or or you know it's one of these situations where
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker002:] nobody's going to restrain what you eat the amount that you eat and I think that people that we just tend to eat overeat yeah
[speaker001:] um-hum uh-huh yeah you can eat as much as you want and you like the food you know
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] uh a lot of times the foods like uh Haas's carry a bread bar that is just out of this world and you know you and soup and uh they just and fruit and vegetables and they they just
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] I don't know that you I know I always overeat no matter I go with good intentions but I somehow along the way when I come back to my seat I have too much and I eat it because it's so good
[speaker002:] yeah well at least it's fruit and stuff there maybe it's not too bad
[speaker001:] yeah and I like reasonable prices of course too I don't like to you know go to anything that's real expensive
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] I think that's a waste of my money
[speaker002:] just for food it does seem like it
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] yeah but uh we like uh we do like international food so we tend to I like cooking we like Indian food and uh I love Italian food and
[speaker001:] so do you uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker002:] uh Chinese uh
[speaker001:] Chinese we've got a good Chinese restaurant in town I I really like eating there and
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] and you don't get stuffed on their food it seems
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] you know you can eat a whole big plate of their food and you really don't feel like you've eaten too much
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] you're full you know you're satisfied but you don't feel stuffed and miserable
[speaker002:] yeah yeah that's one thing that I wish we had more of uh because where we're from it's it's pretty limited and it's most of the restaurants are oh they tend to be you know American style food and we don't have too many where you have to go all the way to Dallas
[speaker001:] um-hum um
[speaker002:] and so really is a treat because uh you know we don't make a trip sixty five eighty you know sixty five to eighty miles depending how far in Dallas it is
[speaker001:] so yeah yeah |
[speaker001:] all right Miss Kathy so uh what do you do do you do it regularly and so forth
[speaker002:] um yeah I do I play basketball on uh a city league and
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] volleyball and how about you
[speaker001:] well uh I have been so busy working I just retired about two weeks ago
[speaker002:] oh congratulations
[speaker001:] thank you my exercise basically has been what walking that I can get in
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] which hasn't really been quite enough but I could very definitely tell the difference when I have two or three hours off and I run around on campus I'm retired from Penn State University
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and when I have an afternoon to walk around on campus I I very definitely uh see a difference
[speaker002:] huh
[speaker001:] and it it I know that walking is good for you and uh I keep reading that it's much better for you than running because of the uh actions of the joints and so forth
[speaker002:] yeah yep
[speaker001:] but uh tell me about um your exercise did you take your exercise because you had a problem or you just wanted to stay young and light or whatever
[speaker002:] um I do it purely for enjoyment in fact when I've started exercise programs that I felt like I had to do you know a system of doing so many sit ups and that I haven't stuck with it and haven't enjoyed it either one so
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] I decided that I would just stay fit by doing team sports which is what I like more than just individual um whatever
[speaker001:] how many how many hours a week do you estimate that you perform these things
[speaker002:] um probably at least an hour a day
[speaker001:] an hour a day uh-huh
[speaker002:] yeah do and I have four children so that keeps me busy too and they're all involved in sports mostly soccer so we once they're out there I you know I get out there and kick it around with them sometimes
[speaker001:] uh-huh do you ever have time when you don't get this exercise in and notice that your weight goes up or anything like that
[speaker002:] of course of course
[speaker001:] oh it's so you you can tell the difference
[speaker002:] oh yeah not so much with weight as much as just not you know you feel sluggish and you get into that cycle where you don't want to exercise and so you don't and then you the the vicious cycle where
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] where you don't exercise
[speaker001:] I I understand what you're saying well what about eating do you uh do anything about the the type of food you eat is that uh or do you just eat a normal balanced meal to go with that
[speaker002:] yeah I just eat normally I don't regulate you know I'm not real regimented about what
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] what I eat personally its too hard to to get myself on a certain diet having to fix for five other people in the house so
[speaker001:] yeah that that does keep you busy
[speaker002:] yep
[speaker001:] so you well uh
[speaker002:] how about you
[speaker001:] well there're just two of us now my three children have all moved out
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] so uh diet wise uh I'm trying to keep us on a low uh weight the low fat type of a diet my wife has high cholesterol
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] so I'm trying to keep that down and and I do notice that when you go through periods uh such as Christmas and so forth where you eat out more often than normal if you don't get the exercise in your weight weight goes up
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] and uh for me exercise is one of the nicest ways of bringing that weight down
[speaker002:] do you do it together with your wife or this mostly by yourself
[speaker001:] and no it's up until now its been mostly by myself because I would have been downtown and as I say walking around on campus picking up mail and and doing things like that and running running downtown uh during my lunch period
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] well it gives me an opportunity to get some walking in and
[speaker002:] yeah I was gonna say you probably get a lot of walking in I know that I when I went to college you know just walking back and forth from different buildings you you have to
[speaker001:] yes do you we have a bicycle in the house uh the kind that you pump you know that you can change the loading and she rides that and that seems to be uh probably other than walking that's probably one of the better things you can do
[speaker002:] uh-huh huh
[speaker001:] have you ever tried one of those
[speaker002:] I haven't I haven't I do I have a bike and you know I usually have a child on the back of it because mine are little
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh-huh well I was thinking with you say you have four children
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] with four children and sometimes there may be times you can't get out to go play you need to stay home that maybe one of these mechanical bicycles would be very helpful to you
[speaker002:] that would be a great yeah it sure would that would be a great idea
[speaker001:] well very good well I wish I could get my weight down I need to get out and get some exercise uh as I say I've just retired so I'm just starting to have a few days to uh approach that subject and I'm considering it I'm going to get on that bicycle that we have and uh start doing some riding and I'm sure that's going to be the quickest way to get things under control
[speaker002:] yeah oh that sounds yeah probably do your kids still live close by you
[speaker001:] no I have one lives in Amsterdam Holland and uh one lives in uh
[speaker002:] oh
[speaker001:] near Warrington Pennsylvania and the other one is in New Jersey
[speaker002:] uh-huh oh they're spread around what did you teach
[speaker001:] so well I I have done research at Penn State I've I've uh not a teacher I've done research in under water acoustics
[speaker002:] oh oh well that yeah well that would be interesting do you study like mammals or just sound
[speaker001:] it's been a noisy subject |
[speaker001:] okay okay now when you babysit what age group children do you sit with
[speaker002:] well gosh all kinds um mostly between the ages of two and ten um last like a few summers ago I kept two children every day for the entire summer and I mean they became like my children
[speaker001:] uh-huh I'd think so
[speaker002:] and um and they live in an apartment complex so we swam a lot and we played on the playground a lot and we would go to a movie on Thursdays and um there was always an activity you know they had their favorite TV shows and things like that that we watched and then we took naps and um I don't know it it just seems like there was always something to do children are so full of energy
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and oh they were they just they they just keep you going
[speaker001:] now was this a one parent or two parent family
[speaker002:] uh one parent
[speaker001:] one parent how much time did she spend with them
[speaker002:] yeah she's just not much at all I mean I would get there at eight o'clock in the morning the children usually weren't awake by then and she would get home at like five thirty in the afternoon
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and they would have dinner and then it was time for them to go to bed
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] um now at this particular time the children were two and six but then I also I've been babysitting this child uh for about eight years he's nine now and um you know I've watched him grow up and he's like a little brother to me
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and it's changed over the over the years um we get along a lot better now that he's older and uh we do different things now we used to play ball a lot but now it's he likes to watch TV and he's into wrestling and um I kept him on Friday night we went see we went to go see a movie and um things like that but I feel like I don't know when I have children I want to be able to spend a lot of time with them
[speaker001:] do you now you say your you go to school
[speaker002:] uh-huh I go to LSU
[speaker001:] and what are you studying
[speaker002:] uh communications
[speaker001:] well sounds like your getting a lot of experience in communicating with children
[speaker002:] oh yeah I mean I love children um I don't know seem when I was growing up my Mom stayed at home with me and my brother until we were in junior high and I don't it would I think it was very beneficial to us I mean like in the summer we were always in the library programs reading books and we went skating a lot and
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] you know she was just always there for us but nowadays if there are two parents to a family the mother works just as hard as the father does and the children either stay at home and get into trouble or they're stuck in a day care and I just I just don't want my children to have to be raised like that all my friends they their parents worked all the time they got to stay at home by themselves and when I was younger I thought they were lucky because they got to get away with things like I couldn't ride my bike across the street but they could because they're Mom would never know it but now I realize that it was better because
[speaker001:] uh-huh yeah
[speaker002:] um they have got into a lot of trouble
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] because of lack of supervision
[speaker001:] well that that certainly can happen now if you you say you're in communications uh what base of communications would you be most interested in getting in to
[speaker002:] uh-huh well I'm majoring in uh public relations
[speaker001:] public relations so so you would have a job with a company
[speaker002:] yeah yes ma'am
[speaker001:] rather than uh radio or television or newspapers or what have you
[speaker002:] right uh-huh
[speaker001:] and uh then you'd be willing to give up your job to stay home and with or stay with the children
[speaker002:] well I would like to uh stay at home with my children for at least the first five years
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] but what what I plan to do in the future is um go ahead and get my upper education as far as my masters and work on my doctorate and teach um college
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker002:] and in that case then I'll be I'll be at home when my children are at home but I'd like to stay at home with them until they get in at least into kindergarten
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] where they're at school from what eight to three or something and then I would be at my school teaching
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker002:] and um
[speaker001:] well that that's uh is an advantage of being in the education field I spent thirty four years in education
[speaker002:] oh really
[speaker001:] yes and so oh I started out with college and then went to high school and then I preferred the high school age level much better than I did the college because you have a closer relationship with the uh students
[speaker002:] what grade oh did you what did you teach
[speaker001:] that I taught physical education
[speaker002:] oh oh I started out as a PE major
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] in education I wanted to be a PE teacher I sure did
[speaker001:] well I uh I found that uh it was a perfect combination from the standpoint of having vacations off at the same time
[speaker002:] oh yeah
[speaker001:] and uh and it worked out fine from that standpoint uh plus the fact that uh when I left uh usually uh my husband was seldom home for maybe forty five minutes or so and then our son he had to get on the bus and he did get on the bus it was his responsibility and he never ever thought
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] of uh not going to school he said in view of the fact that he was certain I had a hot line to his school because uh I uh well I I was in physical education then and I just kept getting pushed into administration wound up in administration
[speaker002:] absolutely oh
[speaker001:] and so he thought surely that I or I would have bought a hot line to know if he ever skipped school which of course was not the case and I wouldn't have checked on him however uh there are there are points both directions in that uh from the standpoint of parents working and not working
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] uh I listened to more than one parent say I don't know what this child wants I'm working two jobs they each have their own television they each have their own telephone they each have their own rooms they each have this they each have that I'd say but what they don't have is you
[speaker002:] that's right they need some attention
[speaker001:] absolutely and uh acting out because that is the way of getting attention
[speaker002:] well see whenever my Mom stayed home with us we did without a lot I mean we were it's hard to make it on one income but we did and and we lived in a trailer for eighteen years and um
[speaker001:] that's right huh
[speaker002:] you know we we only had one car we only had one telephone you know we didn't get to eat out all the time but I I feel like that it helped me now because I appreciate the value of the dollar
[speaker001:] uh-huh right
[speaker002:] and um I also had the supervision that I needed while I was growing up and I hope that I can provide that for my child too
[speaker001:] and we certainly uh we need more of that we need more parents willing to supervise though we've had such a breakdown in the family structure from the standpoint of of uh church and school and everything along the way
[speaker002:] oh we have
[speaker001:] and that I think has contributed much to uh the delinquency that works grant and the poor school results that we're having uh that the students uh parents have just not really taken enough interest in them from the very very beginning and I think my feeling was that the very best teachers should be in grades one two and three to get the students off to a good start let them have positive um uh experiences from the lower levels so they want to continue learning and uh keep going and not wait until they're they're in the ninth and tenth grades it's too late then you cannot reverse that trend at that point
[speaker002:] uh-huh it is it's way too late I agree
[speaker001:] right and uh while parents very often will be involved with the school activities when the child's in the elementary school and they get into the high schools so often they seem to drop away at that point and that is just as valuable
[speaker002:] it is
[speaker001:] at that time as to the rush in the elementary yes right
[speaker002:] because all the peer pressure it starts in high school and the parent really needs to be there for the child
[speaker001:] right and uh the child needs to take pride in the fact that their parent is doing something uh we were fortunate in view of the fact that my son did play football and I did keep statistics for his team and his Dad did take movies of the football
[speaker002:] oh great
[speaker001:] team and movies of the basketball team and we tried to be a part of it but not overshadowing him or making him feel that we had to be there all the time
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] so what I feel that I learned a great deal from my students uh with regard to what their biggest complaints were with parents and a thing such as uh one of the biggest complaints I well remember because I spent a lot of time with seniors uh was um caring their parents say when I was your age I didn't have this or that and I know I never ever said that because I knew that that was one thing that was really irritating to young people
[speaker002:] uh-huh well I guess that was good that you were you were hearing it from other students
[speaker001:] yes and I had to deal with their problems and I could talk about the kinds of problems which they were bringing that they had just in general aspect and our son would share this and then he would have to make decisions for himself along those same types of of uh lines
[speaker002:] well um
[speaker001:] so that I think he benefited from my experiences
[speaker002:] does your son work for TI
[speaker001:] no
[speaker002:] oh
[speaker001:] no he uh works uh for a different company yeah in the Dallas area but when he went away to college and he was on an allowance from the time he was in the seventh grade and uh a small allowance and all the way through college and he held three jobs while he was in college and we didn't even know it he didn't even tell us uh that he had three jobs but when he graduated he had a five thousand dollar bank account
[speaker002:] oh goodness
[speaker001:] and uh we had told him that if he ever wanted to go to college he could go if he got married he was on his own if he flunked out he was on his own |
[speaker001:] I was afraid for a while she wasn't going to find anyone because they were all out on the golf course
[speaker002:] oh really well it's it's raining in Texas right now in my area so there's probably not any golfers out on the course
[speaker001:] okay oh
[speaker002:] uh
[speaker001:] yeah I
[speaker002:] they just they just said that the uh Byron Nelson Tournament here had been suspended
[speaker001:] oh no
[speaker002:] for because of rain of course that's just for today it'll it'll play again finish tomorrow you know or finish today's round tomorrow
[speaker001:] yeah well near Dallas you're used to playing golf in the wind too
[speaker002:] oh right yeah
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] well I I'm not really much of a golfer I have not played golf in probably fifteen years but uh it it is an intention to take up the the uh sport again
[speaker001:] the biggest problem with it I think is time
[speaker002:] right uh
[speaker001:] yeah and I I know that it's a four hour dedication it could be four hour relaxation or it could be gritting on your nerves which you're using that much time uh and not not having that much fun
[speaker002:] yeah right well yeah if if you're good at it I guess it's a not so much frustration but if you are it it you know if you're not a really good golfer it it can be real frustrating real frustrating
[speaker001:] you know and I I played tennis for exercise but I play golf for fun uh and
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] apparently it's the attitude that you have that makes the big difference the uh I I enjoy catching it too do you ever go out to the
[speaker002:] well I it's been a while since I've been out to watch I do watch a little on TV you know when I have the chance but uh
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh-huh I keep wondering why I you can understand in sports like uh basketball or baseball or football there's an age
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] uh position in there but I keep wondering why some of the real legends can't go just a little bit longer than they do
[speaker002:] well you know I wonder that too in watching some of these senior tournaments uh you know the uh the seniors skins and stuff like that on TV you see how well they're playing and you and you wonder why they're they're not able to you know to play with
[speaker001:] right it the regular tour
[speaker002:] with the with the younger guys on the regular tour
[speaker001:] and they do mix some of them mix it but it's uh it it does amaze me sometimes just to see it I don't know whether it's a lack of concentration or particular muscle development or what but it seems to be uh I to me it's not a sport that you would be overwhelmed with muscle activity in it
[speaker002:] right well as I understand it and of course it's like I said it's been a while since I played but uh as I understand it as you do get older that your concentration in the putting area you know really suffers and that's that's the primary reason that some of these older that you know that the old players don't play as well
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] but uh
[speaker001:] I tell you what it's a sport that has a great number of jokes though
[speaker002:] oh yeah I
[speaker001:] I as I said I play tennis and there are no tennis jokes I don't know if you can think of one at all
[speaker002:] I guess come to think of it I've never heard a tennis joke
[speaker001:] but but there are a slew of golf jokes so it it indicated and it's great uh sport for equalizing the handicap system
[speaker002:] yeah right and uh
[speaker001:] allows you to play competitively even though you don't play on the same level play competitively with just about anyone you know I can go out and stand a chance of winning a dime off of Jack Nicholas
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] uh if the handicap system uh worked properly and it should so
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] it's nice to be able to to uh compete and and be together with someone and yet have a basis for competitiveness such as uh ten cent be anything over a a dime I joke on so
[speaker002:] and perhaps and perhaps even learn a little bit of something
[speaker001:] oh yes oh yeah
[speaker002:] it's interesting we're talking about golf the television own in my den right now and I'm watching a ball roll up about four inches from the hole in today's Byron Nelson so
[speaker001:] well you know that's one of the other things I I'd I'm am fascinated sometimes two sports bring it to mind more quickly than any others but all the other functions that the human body performs really are are uh as equally amazing But when you start thinking about the eye hand coordination and trying to get a little sphere uh four hundred and twenty yards away into a little whole in about four shots
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and it's true you have loft of club and everything else but knowing how far to bring it back and the the concentration and all the things that go on in the human body to get it there
[speaker002:] there's a awful lot of mechanics involved in
[speaker001:] yeah the same the same thing is true with basketball where a a fellows running along and runs and jumps up in the air and then pushes the basketball toward uh a hoop and it swishes through
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] the the the human body is amazing and I think I'd like to see uh elements like that in almost everything I do and golf uh I walk down the fairways sometimes just thinking about that and then of course I'll miss the putt
[speaker002:] yeah so well what uh what course do you get to play on over in North Carolina
[speaker001:] but we just moved here from from Oklahoma as a matter of fact and I'd been in Oklahoma for twenty years up in Enid
[speaker002:] oh yeah uh-huh
[speaker001:] but so uh I'm used to the wind too
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] in fact that's the only that areas the only place I know of that you really have to uh consider the wind on putts out on the grass green and everything else but the wind effect
[speaker002:] yeah yeah yeah but I guess in North Carolina you you're in an area where there are some really nice courses
[speaker001:] oh I know it I know we had just moved to Charlotte and uh I've gone to a couple of uh public courses uh we haven't settled in here yet we're just
[speaker002:] uh
[speaker001:] here temporarily but a the courses are beautiful and you can play just about year round on it too
[speaker002:] yeah that's
[speaker001:] now Richardson maybe you can too
[speaker002:] yeah right Richardson h as it's you know it's pretty close to year round there are times uh well I guess that there are times in the winter you know when you can't play but then there are times when you know when it thaws out and warms up and people flock to the golf course you know in December and January so
[speaker001:] yeah yeah in fact uh the last few years I've had in Oklahoma I went to Norman and it would play New Year's day down there now there it was stretching the imagination to enjoy it but at least I played
[speaker002:] yeah probably a week later it was warm enough you could have gone out and played and really enjoyed it even then so
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh-huh well I have enjoyed talking to you
[speaker002:] yeah I have enjoyed it too I I really intend to play golf you know in the future my my wife and I even uh
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] are going to try to play together sometime you know
[speaker001:] yeah yeah well that that's a good sport when people enjoy it because it can be very social at the same time
[speaker002:] yeah right well it's been nice talking to you okay
[speaker001:] good luck on the course
[speaker002:] okay you too thanks
[speaker001:] bye |
[speaker001:] Well, I guess, um, I'll start out, and that is, um, I don't know what section of the public school system they're talking about, whether it's the first eight grades, the high school, or colleges. I have mixed views on all three of them.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh. What do you think about, what do you think about the, the lower grades, you know, K through seven?
[speaker001:] Well, I, I, I should imagine the lower grades, what would, what, what's, what's certainly drawn everyone's attention to that is the fact that, uh, many of the inner city and, uh, I guess what we'd call, uh, ghetto or poorer districts,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] including rural districts, don't seem to be able to produce the students that, ind-, indeed many, uh, manufacturing and other,
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] enterprises want. They can't seem to, they can't seem to read properly, do math,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] properly, and conform to what employers want.
[speaker002:] Yep. I, uh,
[speaker001:] So that's got everybody excited. High schools, I'm not too sure. It seems that high schools at least produce candidates, a-, a-, although I have great misgivings about the S A T -s, that go on to a variety of colleges. It seems a great deal of our public colleges have foreign students in them, uh, from, um, a myriad of nations, and, uh, and also, um, uh, I think that, uh, a certain percentage of, uh, the colleges produce a fairly de-, uh, public colleges produce a fairly decent student,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] or fairly decent graduate, I should say.
[speaker002:] Yeah, I, I, I just read some things recently where, um, [swallowing] uh, colleges now, uh, graduate programs in general now train, basically, they're fifty per cent foreign [lipsmack]. Uh,
[speaker001:] Oh, I didn't realize it was that high.
[speaker002:] Yeah, oh, just about f-, yeah but when you consider, um,
[speaker001:] Wow.
[speaker002:] when you consider, uh,
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] especially in technical areas, science,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] engineering and computers.
[speaker001:] well that's what I was going to point out, I think it mostly is that technical,
[speaker002:] Yeah, especially in those areas, it's, um, [lipsmack] I kn-, it's, it's almost fifty per cent foreign, like forty-eight per cent, and that involves both Canadian,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] and, uh, uh, European, Middle Eastern, and, and Far Eastern, yeah.
[speaker001:] Wow.
[speaker002:] I, I think, um, I think I have similar views, that's, you know, where our elementary grades, um, [lipsmack] i-, it's amazing, I have a friend who's an e-, who's an elementary school teacher,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] and she said that they recently, you know, they have to go through, they have to, they have to pat the kids down, because they bring guns to school. She teaches in the city,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] of Baltimore, and that,
[speaker001:] Yeah, that, yeah, that must be an inner school. I just read a, an,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] amazing article, I guess,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] in this month's NE-, this week's NEW YORKER about Baltimore,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] uh, which, uh, went on to talk about, I don't know, I thought it was rather slanted in favor of the mayor, or, or, or the politicians in the, in there, I d-, I do, I do know a few people and have been,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] have done some business up in Baltimore, but it seemed to me that the inner school system there was the one thing that didn't s-, the inner city school system was the one thing that didn't flower too well. They talked about individual cases of people trying hard, but it was very difficult.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] I, I, I, I think, if I was going to fault it, now, if I'm, I'm looking to carry on a conversation,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] that way, I thi-, there's a couple of things that really bother me, I think when I learned the other day, uh, uh, that, uh, the average American, the average American,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] now, watches seven point two hours of television a day, and that school children, a-, a-, are not far off that mark with six point eight.
[speaker002:] [Throat clearing].
[speaker001:] Now, I don't know what school children, what year that is.
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] I mean that's a hell of a lot time to be sitting in front of the tube.
[speaker002:] Yeah, a-, and it's, uh, uh, it's really, you know, kids can't read, um,
[speaker001:] Well, I,
[speaker002:] it's really, they, you know by the time,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] they, my wife teaches, uh, middle school.
[speaker001:] Really?
[speaker002:] Yeah, an-, and they can't,
[speaker001:] Oh, so you're close to the subject.
[speaker002:] yeah, by the time they get there, they can't read. The-, they, they can't read anything.
[speaker001:] And yet, you know I have grandchildren, I have ten, uh, nine grandchildren in various parts of the country,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and, of course, you know, I can't speak to the rural or poorer inner city schools,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] these kids go to a f-, they live in a fairly nice upper scale neighborhood,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] and they seem to be doing extraordinarily well.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] I, I, I mean I quiz them and I talk to them, and they, they read well, they do everything well. But I, I, I mean, I think that's a f-, that's part of the environment.
[speaker002:] Yeah, I think it's, it's probably the work that your, your children, your children are doing, uh, um [lipsmack],
[speaker001:] Yeah, that, that, that, that could be very well true.
[speaker002:] She, she's, yeah, she can tell,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] she can tell, you know, when they have kids come in for,
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] they meet with all of the parents,
[speaker001:] Yes.
[speaker002:] and she can tell before a parent comes in, normally,
[speaker001:] Really.
[speaker002:] you know, give or take, eighty, ninety,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] per cent, you know, what the parents are going to be like when they come in, and the responses the parents will give back.
[speaker001:] No kidding. Oh, I, I, I,
[speaker002:] Oh, yeah.
[speaker001:] yeah, I guess I could, I can understand that.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] However, I'm a product of the New York City public school system from fifty years ago,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] uh, maybe not that long ago, but, and, um, and so, I, I always felt I didn't get a real good education in the pu-, in the grammar schools and part of high school,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] so I lived in New England at the time, I sent all my children to prep school. I was f-, I w-, I didn't have that much money but we struggled and we did it
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] and I thought it, I thought a great deal of it was, a great deal of the success that they had in their education was due to the low student teacher ratio.
[speaker002:] I think, I think it's probably very true.
[speaker001:] And, I, I, I think that could, that's a formula that could be applied everywhere,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] except it must cost a heck of a lot of money if you do,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] it in public school.
[speaker002:] But you know, surprisingly, I, I, because you put such a commitment on education,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] um, your children probably could have gone to schools with, uh, uh, a higher student teacher ratio,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] and still done well, because when they would come home, you and your wife,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] would say, you know, what did you do today,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] if we, let's sit down and read together.
[speaker001:] Well, that, that, that's,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] that, that must be,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] then, then if that's, uh, I think we both agree on that, then, then, then, then a parent,
[speaker002:] Yeah, oh, it's parental. Yep.
[speaker001:] parental involvement has to be there.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh, yeah.
[speaker001:] And I guess you got to take them away from the tube also. Another thing that I have, another problem I have is, uh, I don't really know how to resolve this, but is the, incredible, at least in the high school and college level, emphasis on sports, where enormous amounts of money are spent, and it seems to me that mo-, money could be more well, well spent somewhere else.
[speaker002:] But you kn-, you know what's really funny is that they, there's been some research, because I'm a,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] I'm a college professor,
[speaker001:] Oh, yeah.
[speaker002:] [Lipsmack] and, um, uh, and, and, w-, a lot of the research shows that like, Georgetown,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] while Hewing was playing at Georgetown,
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] basketball, Georgetown,
[speaker001:] Right, right, right.
[speaker002:] and they were winning,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] endowment to the university, in other words, money that could to everything, everything, and normally gets directed away from sports, realistically, a lot of the, was, uh, was probably, two-thirds, I guess it's now two-thirds of what it was when they were national champions.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] In other words, while they're national champions,
[speaker001:] Yeah, yeah.
[speaker002:] people donate more money.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] Average human beings like you and I, average Joes, that make a decent salary,
[speaker001:] Ri-, but I mean,
[speaker002:] that are a graduate of the school,
[speaker001:] uh, right.
[speaker002:] send big bucks, like couple hundreds of dollars, but thousands of people,
[speaker001:] To, to what, uh, to, you say other things than sports, though.
[speaker002:] Because, no, bec-, normally it's because of the sports.
[speaker001:] Yeah, I know, but I mean, they don't just send it to the new stadium, or,
[speaker002:] Right, right, but see, the sports brings in the money.
[speaker001:] Really.
[speaker002:] Because when Georgetown was number one,
[speaker001:] I, well, I guess they're [LAUGHTER],
[speaker002:] their, their, their money that was donated to them from companies,
[speaker001:] Right, right, right.
[speaker002:] from, from l-, from business people, from graduates, whatever,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] was up into, you know, like twenty million dollars, and now it's down to like, fourteen million. During that time period, in other words,
[speaker001:] Well, I never thought of that benefit, yeah.
[speaker002:] their income has slow-,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] their, their al-, alumni giving and other funds have slowly dropped since then.
[speaker001:] Well, I, I never thought,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] of that benefit, but the consequence,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] then, I, my, I guess what I'd have to say about that, is,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] there can only be one champion [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] That's, yeah. It's, it's amazing the way, but now that's big time.
[speaker001:] Isn't that something, though,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] I didn't realize that.
[speaker002:] But, but, uh, smaller schools aren't like that, uh,
[speaker001:] No.
[speaker002:] only, only the big time schools show that.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] But you're right, I, I think the emphasis on sports, and as a, see, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a former athlete in a sense, I swam, um,
[speaker001:] Yeah, yeah.
[speaker002:] but swimming never gets much glory, so it really doesn't matter. But,
[speaker001:] Well, Mark Spitz made a lot of money on it.
[speaker002:] That's true, that's true, but you know they still,
[speaker001:] And he di-, and he came back this year, didn't he, but he didn't make it.
[speaker002:] He didn't make it, no.
[speaker001:] No.
[speaker002:] I, I would have liked it if he, if he would have, though,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] but I think, uh, realistically you know, you read the,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] the research studies, and, uh, I don't think he would have made it simply because the w-, the event he was trying to swim, they even, the research shows that distance running,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] so I would assume distance swimming might be similar, that, and he was good at distance, Spitz, as a swimmer, you know, at,
[speaker001:] Well,
[speaker002:] I can remember that, but the distance, um, [lipsmack] the, the distance strength and endurance, or whatever, sort of starts to peak at about twenty-eight, twenty-nine, thirty. That's why some of your long distance runners,
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] were in their l-, early thirties,
[speaker001:] Right, right.
[speaker002:] and, but he's was trying to make it in the sprinter's event,
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] and most of them,
[speaker001:] Well,
[speaker002:] are under twenty-five.
[speaker001:] I read, I, I also read, I, we're getting off the subject here a bit,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh, yeah.
[speaker001:] but I, I do want to add this to that, because I, I was quite interested in that myself,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] but I read where, the reason that he had to do this in the sprint events is that national television wouldn't pay for the l-, distance events, and they didn't think they could capture the excitement to get sponsors,
[speaker002:] Oh, you're kidding.
[speaker001:] if you brought just the f-, here he comes down the finish line, right? So it had to be, it had to be,
[speaker002:] Jeez.
[speaker001:] where they could put it in one segment, and, g-, and, and I guess, capture the whole thing for some sponsor.
[speaker002:] Huh. And that
[speaker001:] Let me ask you another question.
[speaker002:] as, as an athlete, I just hate that. Go head,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] yeah, what were say-, what were you saying?
[speaker001:] Well, i-, if you teach c-, uh, college,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] and, and, I know, when I went to college, I, I went to summer school,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and I thought that, uh, in fact that, my idea of it was, uh, rather than, rather than finish early, I just enjoyed some of the subjects that I was taking and I had the ability to, to go in summer school, and I, I did, n-,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] take those subjects, so what that leads me, my next thought is, I understand there's a lot of talk now about extending the school year which seems inordinately short anyway,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] compared to the Japanese,
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] or the Germans.
[speaker002:] Yeah. I think, I think,
[speaker001:] Well, how do you think that would work in grammar schools and,
[speaker002:] I think, uh, in, in some sense, um, [lipsmack] what I would do before I would extend a school year, is I would make it better. Before I would continue the agony,
[speaker001:] Yeah, yeah, that's right [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] and something you have to consider, too, um, because I know a-, as a, as a,
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] as a former high school teacher,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] I know that from right now, |
[speaker001:] [Noise] Okay. So what are your opinions on it?
[speaker002:] Well, let me preface it. I'm a, I was a staff officer in Vietnam, in sixty-nine and seventy
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and I'm in active reserve now, so, uh, I'm probably not going to have the you think I would have.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Uh, it's, I was an interesting, in that I think that he gave the American people some, uh, uh, a sense of the fact that, that, uh, wars are really run by politicians. *I -] It??
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Uh, I, are you old enough to remember the war?
[speaker001:] N-, not much. I'm twenty-eight, so. No. I really don't remember anything about it. I guess I was about ten when it ended. Right?
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] I was born in sixty-two, so when did it end?
[speaker002:] Well, December seventy-two, was when we bombed North Vietnam, and then they released the prisoners in early seventy-three,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] in that, in that time frame.
[speaker001:] Because, I was ten, and I don't remember a lot about anything at that time in my life very much in,
[speaker002:] I think,
[speaker001:] great detail.
[speaker002:] the, the significant thing is, is today did, did you, uh, did you see Barbara Walters interview with Schwartzkopf?
[speaker001:] No. I didn't,
[speaker002:] .
[speaker001:] but I, I did read the book. I ha-, do ha-, I have six years of college, so I did read, and study about the Vietnam war though. So I am pretty fa-, you know, I'm more,
[speaker002:] Well, wha-, what's
[speaker001:] familiar with it than,
[speaker002:] your perspective on it?
[speaker001:] Mine. I think, uh, I think that there was a lot of rebellion in our nation, and that, I think it was the right thing to do, to try and not to take away, to, you know, just leave their freedoms there [NOISE] and to, you know, get rid of some of the atrocities that were going to. I don't, I don't know, I don't really, I'm tired of pacifist though, *pacifist -] pacifists? see on the other hand, I'm a pac-, I'm really struggling with it. Am I a pacifist, physical pacifist, I'm a Christian, and I believe that the real warfare is not with Saddam Hussein, or the North Vietnamese, but it's in spiritual kingdoms, and that the real warfare is done, you know, in your prayer closet, on your knees. So, in a way, in a sense I'm a pacifist, but I'm really not. You know what I'm saying?
[speaker002:] Yes.
[speaker001:] I don't think just lay back and not do anything. I think, lets go to war, *lets -] let's but let's go to war praying, and let's go to war for that way so,
[speaker002:] Well, well, the difficulty I have, is that, uh, are we our neighbor's keepers.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And, this is what I find particularly difficult in that, uh, if we see injustice, and weather it's in a, uh, you know, Chicago, or, uh, *typo weather -] whether
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] or, or Dallas, I, I think if we see it, you know, we see John Wiley Price hollering injustice, I think that's wrong. Now the question is, is was there injustice in Vietnam, or was,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] there injust in Iraq Kuwait, *typo injustice?
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] [Noise] the difficult, I, point is, is to, where do we step in, and, uh,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] and, I think that we, that's, that's the part I have difficulty, and the, the other part is, that the, the, when, when your, when your, when your looking at Vietnam, and you say, well, is fifty-eight thousand lives worth it. *3 typos your -] you're And,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] I don't know that anything is worth fifty-eight thousand lives.
[speaker001:] Still have a problem with, uh, you know, I haven't come to an absolute conclusion on my opinion on this, but, and I know other Christians would disagree with me. My husband and I, are kind of not even in agreement on this, but we don't fight over it or anything, but, you know, how can, you know, the Bible says bless your enemies and bless those that curse you, and it's like, be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, kind, so it's like how can you, I don't know, for me, I don't know, you know, I can't say that I agree with Vietnam, because how can you be gentle unto all men, and, and then shoot them.
[speaker002:] Well, the,
[speaker001:] So,
[speaker002:] other issue is, is, is how do you allow, uh, how, how do you allow injustice. Just like the, the policeman in, in Los Angeles
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] how could, how could, could you stand there and watch them beat that guy. If your brother or your sister were being beaten,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] by the authorities do we step in? Well. In some cases we would, and I, I think that's what makes it so difficult.
[speaker001:] Yeah. It is a difficult thing. But then, vengeance is mine sayeth the Lord, and I will pay. So, I think God is ultimately in charge of what goes on, and I know, like now in China he did all these terrible things, *probably Mao and they were te-, terrible, and he was going to be accountable for them, and, but if you look back, and you say wait a minute, while he was in power, he built roads, he put in all the temples, he, he unified the Chinese language. It was impossible for missionaries to do, accomplish anything in China
[speaker002:] .
[speaker001:] because of all that, and so even in North and South Vietnam, I bet you'd see the same thing, and that now he builds roads so, then it and then he dropped dead, twenty-five years premature, he dropped dead, and so something good did come out of that, in that now, you see what I mean, if like now,
[speaker002:] Yeah. But, but the other, the other difficulty is, is that it's just, if, if you take the to, to feed my sheep
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and the question is, who are my sheep, and the idea, do we go out and feed these people when they're hungry.
[speaker001:] Well. Bless your enemies, if your enemy is hungry, feed him, if he, if he needs your, asks for your shirt, give him your coat also. So, if the,
[speaker002:] .
[speaker001:] the, the, the South Vietnamese, they asked us to help them. Right? Is that right?
[speaker002:] Yes. Uh, they did, but, I think the biggest difficulty is, is that when your at an economy like South Vietnam, well, the, then reality, uh, the, the poor farmer, the poor rice farmer, was going to pay taxes *your -] you're
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and the question is, who was he going to pay it to?
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] Uh, the communists are the, all alleged democrats. Uh,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] democratic formed government, and I, I think that's, I think, I think, uh, that's a little, was a difficult part, there, and, and, I, we didn't understand the culture. We couldn't, uh, we had, uh, we had a, a young lady that was fourteen that worked on our, in the unit I was commander of, that appeared to be eight or nine years old, and, and the people looked like children
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] I mean, you couldn't imagine that one would, would, would conceal a bomb and
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] and do these kind of things. I think socially, it really destroyed a lot of the people that, that went over and saw these people. You just couldn't believe that they would, that they would be mean, and, and, and, and drop bombs and kill people, and then
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] we would turn around and, and nay palm them, you know, *typo napalm if
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and I think there was a lot of, a lot of tearing of emotions, and I think that if anything, that, when he was saying the idea that we learned, we l-, we learned a lot from Vietnam
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] now, it was, it was in general, bad, but, and, I don't know, the problem is now, I'm, I'm concerned a little bit,
[speaker001:] [Throat clearing].
[speaker002:] that now that the gulf war is on, that we're going, I think it was a good war, and it was okay
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] to go beat up on people, and I think that, I think we need to, a little more justice at home. I'm not sure how we get that, [LAUGHTER] wonder if there's a connection there, but,
[speaker001:] Yeah. But then again, yeah, I'd say it is wrong to and I'm not saying president Bush made the wrong decision. I think I'm lacking in my, I don't think I can come to a complete conclusion on how I feel about the Vietnam war, because I'm going to interpret that, through the Bible, and I've kind of always, I've been a Christian five years, and I've kind of avoided that, that, those, the war things, and how God approaches that because I think it's just now coming up to where I really feel like I need to, come, you know, need to decide,
[speaker002:] Well, the difficulty is
[speaker001:] what I feel.
[speaker002:] is if you look in the old test meat, and in the numbers of places that, uh, the Lord went out and just simply struck down, *old test meat Old Testament and that was part of the problem, when they went into the promise land, * should be promised land
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] that they, that they, uh, they didn't destroy everybody,
[speaker001:] Right. They
[speaker002:] .
[speaker001:] left a woman, and a child, and a,
[speaker002:] And,
[speaker001:] the sheep. Yeah.
[speaker002:] and that, that, you know, and you, I think that's one of those things when we get to heaven we're going to ask God [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] I know.
[speaker002:] Why did you do it that way [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] But then again, though Jesus the grace pushes you beyond the law, you know what I'm saying, like, so he didn't just say, don't kill your, don't kill your enemies, but, not only don't kill them, bless them. You know, and so, therefore when we have an enemy come against us, I really feel like, that, I really feel like, I know I do feel this strongly, that when, if we had someone come and attack us, the best way to handle it would be to bless them, and humbly go to their other king, or the other ruler, and say, what have we done to offend you. What can we do to rectify this situation, and that God would move in that sovereignly,
[speaker002:] .
[speaker001:] and he would get the glory, though, no king, no, Bush wouldn't, because it wouldn't make any sense, you know what are I'm saying?
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] It would look absolutely, ridiculously stupid, but it would work out, because, if you follow the scriptural principals, it's going to work out, because those are, that's the best way to do it, you know, *spelling principle but the thing is, is that then God gets the glory, not a president, not a king, and I think that's a problem for a lot of politicians, is they want the glory.
[speaker002:] Well, and, I, I, and even if the, even at the local level, when somebody's assaulted
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] what do you do, turn the other cheek?
[speaker001:] N-, well, I believe, personally, I ho-, I [LAUGHTER] I woman always says, my husband always goes three that, I guess. Yeah, if the one, if somebody broke in my house, I would pray that I would have this faith, ta-, to, to take authority over that, and I know people that have done that. I mean, I know that there have been people who have had people break in their homes, and just say I bind you in Jesus name, your, n-, I just, and rebuke any enemy, because I believe it's a spiritual war that's going on, and it's not normal for someone to come into someone elses home, that's not normal, there's something going on there, and that I would have discernment by the holy spirit to deal with pride over that. Do you see what I mean?
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] And then the same in Vietnam, you would, you wouldn't handle Vietnam the same way, you would handle, uh, Saddam Houssein. *Hussein But, I was, I have a problem with all the killing, but I'm not a new ager, I don't believe I am not for one world government. I'm not for all these new age things. I, I, you know, I don't have a problem with, uh, national identity, and, I'm an American, and having different nations, and all of this. But, I'm concerned about the killing that went on there, because I just feel like God has a better way to handle it, than that, and... |
[speaker001:] Okay, what kind of house do you live in?
[speaker002:] Well, uh, we live in a, a brick home in far north Dallas and it's, uh, four bedrooms and three and a half baths and swimming pool in the back and,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] It's about thirty-five hundred square feet.
[speaker001:] Well, it sounds like ours are pretty similar. I live in one, I don't have a swimming pool. And mine's about twenty-seven hundred square foot.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] But the four bedrooms and all the rest of it sounds just about [LAUGHTER], about alike. I think it's pretty much typical for this area.
[speaker002:] It is. Have you been living there very long?
[speaker001:] I've been in the house I'm in here right now about twelve and a half years.
[speaker002:] So you've been there longer. We built this one about, uh, it's been [breathing], let's see [sniffing], it's been six years
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] six and a half years ago, and we subcontracted it out ourselves. We bought
[speaker001:] Oh, really?
[speaker002:] the lot and, uh, had an architect draw the plans based on our specifications
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and then we subbed it out, so, we've been here a little over six years now. And
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] uh, have really enjoyed it because
[speaker001:] Well, I bet you,
[speaker002:] we built what we wanted to have to live in.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] My husband got his big garage. He ha-, we have a three car garage, that he has a big work area in
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and he likes to rebuild cars and redo engines and, so he has all the work space he needs.
[speaker001:] Well, that sounds interesting. I bet he's enjoyed having it that way
[speaker002:] He,
[speaker001:] because some-, kind of hard to find one prebuilt that 's kind of fits those specifications.
[speaker002:] It is, and that's why we decided to build. We looked
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] at things that were already, uh, built and the garages were always, if the house w-, was large, it seemed like the garages were small even if they were three car garages which is
[speaker001:] Well, then, most
[speaker002:] what we have.
[speaker001:] of them don't have a three car garage.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] They're kind of rare.
[speaker002:] So we put a three car garage in.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] But, even if they had three car garages, they didn't have a work space. All of it was taken up with just car space.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And so he has a big [NOISE] landing area that's between where the cars are in the garage and where the house starts
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] that he can work on.
[speaker001:] Well that, my, we've just got a two car garage, but my husband's got a big space in between the, where the cars are and the house, where he has a big work shop, you know, workbench and everything.
[speaker002:] Well, sounds like our husbands have similar interests.
[speaker001:] Now, mine does not work on cars, he just piddles on this and that.
[speaker002:] Oh, I see.
[speaker001:] But he likes to have a spot to keep all of his, his piddling things.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Well, that's nice that it's not in your house.
[speaker001:] It really is.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] Because, you know, they have a lot of things of their own, and I, you know, I wouldn't mind having, and I at one time was going to fix up when one of my daughters left, a bedroom to where I had a room to just put all of my craft stuff and
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] sewing machine and all that kind of stuff, [lipsmack] but I, someone, I don't know, it ended up I got some furniture back that one of them had moved out [LAUGHTER] or something.
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] So I didn't end up with my vacant room like I had thought I would.
[speaker002:] Well, we still have a, a son and daughter in college that come home.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And the other room we use as a guest bedroom because my husband's family [NOISE] come. His parents come and also the kids have friends who come
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and stay and so
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] it seems like it's always used as a bedroom.
[speaker001:] Well, I still, all three of my daughters are married, but, I don't know, I just still have need for the four bedrooms just having company from time to time.
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] And some of them coming back home and things, you know.
[speaker002:] Oh, I understand [faint].
[speaker001:] And we've got grandchildren now, so
[speaker002:] Well, we,
[speaker001:] when they come, they have to have a place.
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER] That's true and you don't want them to not be able to come because there's no room.
[speaker001:] That's right, you sure don't. At times I keep thinking, though, that might be kind of nice.
[speaker002:] Well,
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] I c-, I haven't reached that point yet. I've heard people say that.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] But, uh, my middle son is engaged, my oldest son has been going with the same girl for a while.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] He's out of college
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and has a good job, so he could afford to get married
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] but, is not engaged yet, and my daughter's been going with the same boy for a while, but she's still in college and we're just as happy for her to finish
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] her education first. That's
[speaker001:] Well, I don't blame you for that.
[speaker002:] what she plans to do. So, I hope so.
[speaker001:] Well, I have the three girls and then we ended up with four grandsons.
[speaker002:] Oh, ho-ho.
[speaker001:] And little boys are around the house
[speaker002:] A whole new world.
[speaker001:] a whole lot more than girls.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And, uh, I enjoy them coming, but for short doses [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] I can understand.
[speaker001:] It feels, after they've been here ten minutes, they have already explored the entire house, they know everything.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] But, they're fun.
[speaker002:] So you're all back to the safety catches and the whole nine yards or either watching them every minute.
[speaker001:] Well, I just watch them.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] I d-, I never did put things up when my kids were little and I haven't with them. I try to teach them not to get into things.
[speaker002:] Well, that's the same thing that I did. I hope I'll be able to do the same with [LAUGHTER] grandchildren.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] I think that once you do that, your children kind of develop the same attitudes. At least my daughters have. They try to teach theirs not to get into things instead of having to put everything up. So it's worked pretty well. There's, I don't really think anything's been broken. Every now and then we have to kind of go and say, now don't bother this [LAUGHTER], you know.
[speaker002:] Um, uh-huh [faint].
[speaker001:] But, all in all, they mind pretty well. But, I guess most of the hou-, d-, what kind of roof does your house have? Here I'm getting off the subject.
[speaker002:] Well, we have, |
[speaker001:] For N I S T, the National Institute of Standards and Technology.
[speaker002:] Oh, okay, so it's right up your alley, then.
[speaker001:] I suppose so. Let me push the button.
[speaker002:] All right.
[speaker001:] [Beep] Okay, uh, I guess I'm supposed to be all for switching to the metric system, but, uh, I sense that it's not going to happen anytime soon.
[speaker002:] Yeah, I don't think it's going to happen either, but I wish it were because I'm a, I got my bachelor's in mechanical engineering.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] I'm at grad school now in acoustics and all we do is metric stuff.
[speaker001:] You're now in what?
[speaker002:] Acoustics.
[speaker001:] Acoustics, uh.
[speaker002:] Yeah, so everything's metric and then you go to read some order book or something and it's all confusing so I don't understand as much, so I think we should get one adopted permanently.
[speaker001:] Well, I guess that is the policy, but it's been the policy for a long time and nothing ever happens. Uh, I suppose things, some things well happen slowly simply by having it taught in the schools more to the extent that that's happening, having a new generation come up that's more used to it.
[speaker002:] Yeah, a lot of industry out there is doing metric stuff because they have to.
[speaker001:] They have to for international trade.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] But, I g-, guess it's, it's easier to switch back and forth than it used to be, uh, be-, be-, because of, of, uh, of computers coming into everything.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh. Yeah, I don't think switching back and forth is that big a deal. I think people need to understand more like what a meter is, instead of how many feet in a meter or something. Just get used to using all the terms. Because someone says a kilogram, no one knows what that is.
[speaker001:] Everyone wants a, wants a conversion of that before kind of recognizing it as a, as, as, as, as a concept to hold in mind.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Uh, I, I, I don't see that, it, it, it can change it very quickly. I mean we're not the kind of society that, that, uh, that something can be posed upon, uh, by government will.
[speaker002:] Yeah, no one seems to be adopting it. Metric system, no one's very, uh, no one wants it at all seems like.
[speaker001:] Uh, the, the, the public is just very conservative that way in refusing to change measurement systems, uh, money, dollar, coins, anything like that.
[speaker002:] Yeah [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] And, and, and it [breathing], it obviously makes no sense that we're practically alone in the world in, in using the old system.
[speaker002:] Yeah, I, it's pretty tough when you get everything confused, though. I think two systems is worse than one, though [LAUGHTER]. Because, I know, we do a lot of problems and things and they're half english and half metric and [NOISE] you, you make more mistakes doing all the conversions than you would doing the problems. just get one. I prefer metric, but even if it's english, they should just have one.
[speaker001:] Well, I mean, unfortunate-, I think people like you are relatively rare who are coming up against this problem every day.
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER] Yeah [LAUGHTER], yeah, I think so. Your, your average guy jogging down the highway wants to know how many miles it is to his destination.
[speaker001:] [Lipsmack] Uh, I mean, there are things you could do. Uh, we have signs up on the N I S T campus here, speed limit twenty-five miles per hour, forty kilometers per hour.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Uh, but that hasn't been adopted very widely.
[speaker002:] Yeah, they have some of those in Ohio. There's this one sign's kind of funny. It says, uh, metric signs next hundred miles.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] [Lipsmack] But, I mean, and no one will, will go a step further to remove the english signs.
[speaker002:] Yeah, that would force everybody to use it. Or to quit selling tape measures in inches.
[speaker001:] Uh, yeah, or, you have highway signs saying speed limit, uh, eighty, eighty-five, whatever would be the appropriate number.
[speaker002:] Yeah, I guess a hundred is sixty-two.
[speaker001:] Hundred car is going sixty-two, yeah, so it would be more like, uh, like ninety I guess, car is going fifty-five. Uh, you suddenly have a [LAUGHTER] have a even worse problem with speeding than we do now.
[speaker002:] Yeah, you have a bunch of people trying to do ninety [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Do, do, do you know, where you are, do the schools emphasize the metric system?
[speaker002:] Yeah, in the engineering they all do pretty much.
[speaker001:] No, I, I, I meant, I meant down, like, in the elementary schools.
[speaker002:] Oh, in the elementary schools. I don't know. I wouldn't think so. I remember
[speaker001:] I mean, I think,
[speaker002:] a ways back we did like conversions, but we never actually went out and measured anything or did anything on one system.
[speaker001:] Yeah, I mean, I think my children learned the metric system, but it doesn't get, get emphasized over the other.
[speaker002:] Yeah, they learn how many centimeters are in an inch and that's about it. |
[speaker001:] Okay, my name is Karen.
[speaker002:] Okay, my name is Terry.
[speaker001:] Okay, and this, uh, they said about magazines. We, I've probably personally take I think just two
[speaker002:] Okay.
[speaker001:] but that's because my mother-in-law takes every one they print and gives them to me,
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] a month later [LAUGHTER], so. So I get all of them. Uh, the one that I really especially enjoy, and you may be familiar with it from Wisconsin, is called COUNTRY.
[speaker002:] Oh, yes, uh, there's COUNTRY LIVING, there's COUNTRY, and, uh,
[speaker001:] Well, this, yeah, this one is the one they have all the pictures of scenery from places we wished we live, like
[speaker002:] Oh, yeah.
[speaker001:] Wisconsin [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Gorgeous leaves and trees and all the lakes and the mountains and things.
[speaker002:] Sure.
[speaker001:] And I get that, it has recipes in it, and that's my very favorite.
[speaker002:] Oh, that's great.
[speaker001:] What do you take?
[speaker002:] Well, I actually take COUNTRY LIVING, it's a
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] country magazine on HOUSE BEAUTIFUL, because I like, um
[speaker001:] Yeah, decorating.
[speaker002:] that kind of stuff. Decorating
[speaker001:] [Throat clearing] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and, uh, getting ideas for a garden. In fact, uh, right before you called, I was planning my tulips
[speaker001:] Are you?
[speaker002:] and, uh, putting them on blue print on where I'm going to put them, so
[speaker001:] Oh.
[speaker002:] I'm really into that, but, uh, so, I really get into magazines that are kind of basically into, um, housing type things, where the, be
[speaker001:] And decorating and how to do things.
[speaker002:] decorating and gardening
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and recipes, that kind of stuff. So I'm pretty much in the same category as what
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] you're looking at.
[speaker001:] Well, we, we tried for a while to take a news magazine. We took NEWSWEEK
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and I think we took it especially just during the war to kind of catch up on everything and
[speaker002:] Sure.
[speaker001:] have it be digested. But we've kind of discontinued that right now
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] and we've, we're going to start taking that, uh, U S NEWS, uh, newspaper. U S A TODAY, I think it.
[speaker002:] Yeah, yeah, I've had TIME before.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] I think with that what happens
[speaker001:] [Throat clearing].
[speaker002:] is, uh, it's interesting to read
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] but you kind of just put the magazine away and you never read it again
[speaker001:] That's right.
[speaker002:] unless there's some big article in there that you're going to keep for your kids, but,
[speaker001:] That's exactly right. I did the same thing. We saved the ones from the election and we saved the ones from the war and one from the earthquake.
[speaker002:] Yeah, exactly
[speaker001:] [Cough] And then
[speaker002:] it sounds exactly like what we did
[speaker001:] [Cough] and,
[speaker002:] we just saved everything we could
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] for our daughter but, uh
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] that's pretty similar, but I find that with these COUNTRY magazines, I keep going back to them, getting ideas, looking back and saying, Jeez, there was a flower garden in there that I,
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] that I would like to have some ideas, you know
[speaker001:] Well, you sound like you,
[speaker002:] I get a lot of ideas from them.
[speaker001:] That's the thing, you sound like you have the facilities to do that.
[speaker002:] Yes, we do. We're out in the country
[speaker001:] Oh.
[speaker002:] we're right across from a river, and uh, you're right, the leaves are beautiful, and they are falling now, so.
[speaker001:] Oh.
[speaker002:] Uh, it just peaked, uh, last week, and it was just gorgeous out here, but.
[speaker001:] I bet it is gorgeous.
[speaker002:] Yeah, it's beautiful. The other thing about magazines, the only thing I don't like, is they really get heavily into advertising
[speaker001:] I agree,
[speaker002:] and,
[speaker001:] [Gasp].
[speaker002:] you know, it's, it's, it's fine, I'd rather almost have
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] I know that part, probably half their money comes from these people that are saying, uh, Put my ad in your paper
[speaker001:] Yeah, right.
[speaker002:] and I'll pay you or whatever, but, uh, there's been some magazines I've looked at, and it's a real turn off to see every
[speaker001:] Every page.
[speaker002:] other page,
[speaker001:] I do the same thing,
[speaker002:] some kind of ad,
[speaker001:] I, I think I opened VOGUE the other day or something
[speaker002:] Yeah, VOGUE is,
[speaker001:] and it was just nothing, uh-huh.
[speaker002:] heavily into that.
[speaker001:] And I thought, Why buy this?
[speaker002:] Yeah, exactly, it's almost
[speaker001:] You know, what's the point?
[speaker002:] I mean, you could go into a store and get bombarded
[speaker001:] That's right.
[speaker002:] the same way, but, uh.
[speaker001:] And my number one pet peeve in a magazine, is when they put the perfume in it
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] because, uh, real often, I don't like very heavy perfumes
[speaker002:] Yeah, exactly.
[speaker001:] and very often, like, you know, in my bills, also, magazines and bills, and they'll,
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] come out just stinking [LAUGHTER], the whole thing.
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER] Exactly, yeah, they're really getting into that so,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] But pretty much like I said, the magazines I've had, BETTER HOMES AND GARDEN, and now I need a switch, and I'm going back to GOURMET COOKING, because, um, I've had
[speaker001:] Oh.
[speaker002:] the magazine before, back in nineteen, uh, eighty-six, and I thought, Well, I'll give it a try again, because you get tired of one magazine, and you need to try a
[speaker001:] I understand.
[speaker002:] change.
[speaker001:] Well, do you, do you tear out of your magazines, your recipes or do you keep it?
[speaker002:] Uh, yes, I do, and sometimes, most of the time
[speaker001:] [Throat clearing].
[speaker002:] I tear them out.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] A lot of times, if, uh, you know, if I got a chance to sit down at my typewriter, I'll go ahead and type out recipes, but
[speaker001:] Type it out, uh-huh.
[speaker002:] what I usually do is I'll try it out in the magazine first, and, without tearing it out, and then give it a,
[speaker001:] See how the family liked it [child talking].
[speaker002:] Yeah, and then if we like it it becomes part of the recipe collection, but, uh.
[speaker001:] Oh, that's a good idea. Well, I'm going to pay attention more when I'm in the store to that COUNTRY LIVING, I remember
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] seeing the cover. Back when I decorated the house with a lot of the little country, uh, primitive things, the little, the little pigs and the jeez, and the
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] ducks, and that, we had, that was the big rage here, couple of years ago. And I bought a lot of the country magazines
[speaker002:] Sure, sure.
[speaker001:] and then it seems like when I put some of that away, I quit buying it, but I had forgotten the recipes
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and I'm going to, I'll have to check that out,
[speaker002:] Yeah, it, it, that's what I, I just went through, uh
[speaker001:] [Throat clearing].
[speaker002:] we just recently moved from Minnesota to Wisconsin.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] I went through all this, I had this huge stack of HOUSE BEAUTIFUL
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] I had COLONIAL TIMES, I had GOURMET
[speaker001:] And you don't want to part with any of them because there's
[speaker002:] yeah.
[speaker001:] one thing in each one [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] It was hard, but I ended up, uh, reducing them down to like fifteen magazines out of, uh
[speaker001:] Oh, that's good.
[speaker002:] hundreds. And I just said, Okay, there's one picture in there that, it really doesn't, you know
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] it's got to have more than that
[speaker001:] right.
[speaker002:] it's got to have some good ideas
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] it's got to have everything. So I just kind of went through, and I find that most of the magazines I really like is around Christmas time because,
[speaker001:] I, I know, |
[speaker001:] All Right. Ladies, first.
[speaker002:] Oh, no. Well, I don't find a lot of time to watch T V. And a lot of time, I find it during the day when, when I'm rocking my little girl to sleep, so I watch a lot of reruns, old shows,
[speaker001:] . *slash error
[speaker002:] Like DICK VAN DYKE, all those old crazy shows.
[speaker001:] Barney Fife, I guess. *slash error should be 'bf'
[speaker002:] Yeah [LAUGHTER]. I really enjoy watching ANDY GRIFFITH.
[speaker001:] Well, some-, so your a homemaker?
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] I guess, that's, the right term nowadays.
[speaker002:] Yeah. I guess so. Yeah, I am. I stay home with two kids.
[speaker001:] Yeah. My wife, we have a new one in the house and she stays home, too, also.
[speaker002:] Huh-uh.
[speaker001:] Um, I guess, I have a wide variety. I like watching the T V for things that are interesting, not so much the bor-, things that aren't, for example, like the COSBY SHOW to me is just kind of like a waste of my time,
[speaker002:] Huh-uh.
[speaker001:] and DIFFERENT STROKES. But I like SIXTY MINUTES,
[speaker002:] Huh-uh.
[speaker001:] PRIME TIME LIVE. Of course, I have to watch cartoons on Saturday morning, but not the NINJA TURTLES. I like the old-timey ones,
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER]. *slash error
[speaker001:] TOM AND JERRY.
[speaker002:] Yeah. *slash error should be 'b' You sound like my husband.
[speaker001:] There you go.
[speaker002:] He likes TOM AND JERRY and, uh, BUGS BUNNY AND ALL HIS FRIENDS.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] And all those guys.
[speaker001:] JOHNNIE QUEST. the good ones.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Um, now if I'm ever home during the, during the day on a vacation day, I have to catch at twelve o'clock the ANDY GRIFFITH SHOW, because I usually,
[speaker002:] Yeah. *slash error
[speaker001:] because he's just, he's one of my idles.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] And then, uh, but I don't know, it seems like nowadays everything is so electronic, you know, magnified and animated,
[speaker002:] Huh-uh.
[speaker001:] that you can grab from the old style movies and old style shows a little bit more insight to family groupings.
[speaker002:] Huh-uh.
[speaker001:] And so, uh, now I do, with the COSBY SHOW, I have seen it a couple of times and, I do, I like the show. I just don't watch it.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Because of the timing, but, uh, some of the crap that's on T V nowadays,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] it's about. I do watch the special shows that they come out with, the NOVA stuff. And, and,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] the nature shows.
[speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah.
[speaker001:] But, I think there's enough out there to pick from. I'm not, we don't have cable to the point of, of the H B O or any of that stuff.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Yeah. But, uh,
[speaker002:] Well, I find myself watching just a whole lot of whatever is geared for children. Because, *two utts
[speaker001:] Huh-uh.
[speaker002:] with two kids and, you know, I don't want them watching something that I don't think they should watch or,
[speaker001:] Sure.
[speaker002:] I used to be really hooked on ALL MY CHILDREN,
[speaker001:] Oh, me.
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER] And I watched that for like, oh, ten or fifteen straight years,
[speaker001:] Oh, no.
[speaker002:] and then I had, well, you know, I'd eat like at work, we'd have a T V or whatever. And then, um, as my kids got older and started, you know, recognizing what was going on, I thought, this isn't really very good [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER]. *slash error
[speaker002:] So I gave it up.
[speaker001:] Ouch. Fifteen years.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Bet they hated that.
[speaker002:] I watched, I had watched it since it started. So,
[speaker001:] Oh, goodness.
[speaker002:] Uh, now I, I don't know who the characters are, and, um, I'll turn it on every once in awhile and I don't recognize anybody, so I guess that's a good sign [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Yeah. Really. I used to watch, uh, I can recall, this might age me, date me here, uh, I can remember staying home, when I was five and six,
[speaker002:] Huh-uh.
[speaker001:] and my mother watching the EDGE OF NIGHT.
[speaker002:] Oh, yeah. Well, see, you're probably about the same age as me because my mom watched the SECRET STORM,
[speaker001:] SECRET STORM.
[speaker002:] and the EDGE OF NIGHT.
[speaker001:] Well, I think they were back to back,
[speaker002:] Huh-uh.
[speaker001:] and black and white.
[speaker002:] Huh-uh.
[speaker001:] I was just a youngster and I was like, oh, my gosh.
[speaker002:] Yeah, we used to, my mother watched all that stuff, too. And AS THE WORLD TURNS. I think AS THE WORLD TURNS may,
[speaker001:] Still be on.
[speaker002:] still on or not. It was not too long ago.
[speaker001:] Yeah. Now they got a lot of other crap involved. And so,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] You're right. I think some of the tones of the, the daily prime time is questionable,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] And that could be, uh, I have to agree with you.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] You know keep them on the channel eleven, channel twenty one.
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] The nature stuff, you know [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Yeah. We do, and it's real interesting, too, the difference in my kids, like um, my oldest loved SESAME STREET,
[speaker001:] Huh-uh.
[speaker002:] And those kind of shows. My younger one doesn't. She's more into WALT DISNEY kind, you know, we watch a lot of movies that we've got on V C, on tapes,
[speaker001:] Huh-uh.
[speaker002:] and stuff. She's more into the animated stuff, where my other daughter liked puppets and that kind of thing so,
[speaker001:] Huh-uh.
[speaker002:] But, um, we do a lot of kid watching.
[speaker001:] Well, sounds like you got your hands full there, and I do appreciate speaking with you.
[speaker002:] Sure. It was fun.
[speaker001:] Have you gotten your catalog yet?
[speaker002:] No, I don't think so.
[speaker001:] Yeah. I just spoke with Jim. I just got my in the mail *sp? mine and it inspired me to make more phone calls [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Oh, well, see I don't really. I've had a few people call me, but, I've never made one.
[speaker001:] Oh, really.
[speaker002:] Yeah. I need to get brave [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Yeah. Give them your pen number. *sp: pin
[speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah. That's what I need to do.
[speaker001:] Have a good day.
[speaker002:] Thanks.
[speaker001:] Bye-bye. Bye-bye. |
[speaker001:] what are your favorite TV shows
[speaker002:] um I guess one of my favorite ones is Cheers
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] I always liked that one they're always so funny and I also like The Cosby Show those are probably my two favorites
[speaker001:] yeah yeah yeah I I I rather enjoy the Cosby Show my wife and I both like Commish
[speaker002:] you know I've watched that one time and it was really good but now that's on what Saturday night
[speaker001:] uh it's either Friday night it's either tonight or tomorrow night um around here at least
[speaker002:] is it Saturday uh-huh I can't I can't remember
[speaker001:] I guess it depends on what channel you're getting you know what system you're getting it through
[speaker002:] uh-huh yeah I yeah I saw it one time and I really liked it but I just haven't uh seen it you know watched it since
[speaker001:] uh we we always enjoyed it it it seems to be kind of halfway between um something like All In The Family and uh Hill Street Blues
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] uh it's it's it's it's a good show
[speaker002:] yeah the episode that I watched um I liked him because even though he's a law enforcement officer you know sometimes the laws are kind of ridiculous and you need to sometimes break them to get your point across and for a good reason
[speaker001:] you tend yeah yeah
[speaker002:] and he seems to do that sometimes
[speaker001:] he he tenderhearted fellow
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] yeah I I guess that's what first drew us to him the uh the the relationship between he and his wife kind of looks a lot like ours
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] but uh yeah
[speaker002:] yeah I thought it was a pretty good show
[speaker001:] yeah um
[speaker002:] I also like I I like to watch like Sixty Minutes and Twenty Twenty
[speaker001:] yeah um I don't know we uh watch Commish any chance we get
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] um used to be a big fan of Star Trek but that's kind of they they it's gotten more and more to where they are so totally against um anything spiritual
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] but uh anyway
[speaker002:] I've never gotten into the Star Trek era
[speaker001:] yeah I I used to be a used to be a real big fan of Star Trek
[speaker002:] used to be a Trekkie huh
[speaker001:] um pretty much yeah I always enjoyed the show anyway
[speaker002:] uh-huh yeah
[speaker001:] and Star Trek's in a set the uh Star Wars set
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] uh the one of the first Star Wars movie
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] I think I watched it something like nineteen times
[speaker002:] oh my goodness you must have some of the lines memorized
[speaker001:] uh I did at one time anyway
[speaker002:] wow
[speaker001:] oh a pretty big fan of that sort of thing used to used to read a read a lot of science fiction work too
[speaker002:] yeah uh-huh
[speaker001:] but uh no it um we don't do a whole lot of TV watching but that uh I don't know if you heard him or not they got a twelve year old twelve week old baby
[speaker002:] twelve week oh I was gonna say I hear a baby in the background
[speaker001:] uh-huh yeah that between that and school it's not between him and school there's not much time left for watching much TV
[speaker002:] I imagine that keeps you busy yeah well we're we're expecting our first in about three months so I know we won't be watching as much as we do now
[speaker001:] yeah this one here is our first and and we're both full time students so
[speaker002:] oh wow
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] that must be tough
[speaker001:] what are you hoping for a boy or a girl
[speaker002:] it doesn't matter just a healthy baby
[speaker001:] that that's that's the best way you you haven't found out yet or anything have you
[speaker002:] well we had a sonogram but we told him not to tell us so it's gonna be a surprise
[speaker001:] yeah that's the best way
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] I mean it's like finding out somewhere in July what you're gonna get for Christmas I mean you know it's it's it's not as much fun oh
[speaker002:] yeah it's it's not quite the same yeah I agree I'm sure we'll be watching more uh children oriented television shows
[speaker001:] anyway yeah oh I'm about half kid heart anyway
[speaker002:] oh I am too I still watch cartoons sometimes every once in a while when my sister comes to visit so
[speaker001:] I I well the new cartoons don't seem to be worth much but the uh well a couple of the uh ones Disney's doing aren't too bad but
[speaker002:] well you know it seems like a lot of them are a lot more violent than they used to be
[speaker001:] oh yeah
[speaker002:] you know I remember like the Flintstones and the Jetsons and those were just kind of good old cartoons
[speaker001:] yeah the the the worst of the violence in the Flintstones was when somebody gave Fred a poke in the snoot
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] but oh shoot I mean blowing up galaxies and and putting a curse on the whole planet or or or you know or on all the you know everything of this species you know just all kinds of crud
[speaker002:] yep yeah and they wonder why kids turn out the way they do nowadays
[speaker001:] yeah everything's mutations and and and killing and
[speaker002:] yeah um-hum
[speaker001:] gone are the days of those things they use what was it I uh uh TNT uh Turner Broadcasting Network used to used to uh do the Saturday morning and Sunday morning cartoons the old cartoons they used to put between the first and second feazure feature at the theatre
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] those old little ten minute jobs where the uh the real ballooned looking art work you know and and
[speaker002:] uh-huh |
[speaker001:] kinds of music are you into
[speaker002:] uh well I I like lots of different kinds of music
[speaker001:] yeah same here
[speaker002:] uh my uh my uh upbringing was in classical music but um I really enjoy um
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] all all different kinds of music for example I I really get a kick out of Rush and uh and Pink Floyd
[speaker001:] uh-huh they just played here in Atlanta not too long ago
[speaker002:] oh yeah
[speaker001:] uh-huh they played uh with uh Primus have you heard of them
[speaker002:] um no I don't think so
[speaker001:] yeah I didn't I didn't get to go to it then I know some people that did and they they said it was a really great show
[speaker002:] yeah yeah I'm sure it was um I also like jazz
[speaker001:] uh-huh what kind like modern or
[speaker002:] and um well yeah well yeah I like Fusion but I also like uh the classics
[speaker001:] yeah I'm kind of I'm more into the the traditional like um Flonies Smunk and uh Cole Don Cole Train maybe uh I like Winten Mersalis
[speaker002:] yeah he's great
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] he is he's very good
[speaker001:] he was I think he's I read in the paper I was thinking about going down to the Jazz festival in New Orleans it's like a I think might be the end of April but um I think he's supposed to be playing there he played in he played in town in here in Atlanta a little while ago too but I didn't have the money it was like eighteen bucks or something
[speaker002:] yeah now I saw him along time ago before he had achieved fame at the uh Jazz Festival they had in Cleveland
[speaker001:] oh really oh really God that must've been great
[speaker002:] yeah he he is really good um I I I even enjoy uh some of the old timers like even uh uh from like the big band era like Bennie Goodman or
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] uh I saw him play uh when I was a kid also uh of course he by that time he was he was an old man but it was still fun to uh fun to listen too him
[speaker001:] uh-huh yeah that'd been weird seems like a that seems like a long time ago I'm I'm kind of I don't know I'm into a lot of different kinds of music too I like that kind that kind of jazz and um a lot of different kinds of rock music not really pop type music you know like radio a lot of radio play like the stuff I listen to but it's not you know strictly alternative either
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] it's kind of I like um let's see there's some local bands from Atlanta like have you ever heard of uh Fuller for Now they're they're real new
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] they've they've they've gotten in Rolling Stone a couple times but uh they just put an album out um the Red Hot Chili Peppers uh Fishbone they've got they've got some horns I I like I like bands with horns
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] that rock with horns it sounds really neat
[speaker002:] yeah I did too I I I one of the things given given my classical background uh one of the things that really turns me on is uh when the musicians are are creative with their instrumentation
[speaker001:] uh-huh yeah
[speaker002:] um as well as you know the typical creative lyrics or or or melodies I also like that's one of the reasons for example that I like Rush is because it's not always
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] you know in two or in four even meter you know it they they they mix it up they they do interesting things with rhythms and they do interesting things with
[speaker001:] right um-hum yeah their drummer's unbelievable
[speaker002:] yeah and also um Getty Lee on the base
[speaker001:] yeah uh-huh
[speaker002:] um it's not just a straight base line that just repeats over and over and over again like on the pop tunes it right it it it it it changes up
[speaker001:] yeah definitely do you play any instruments
[speaker002:] um yeah I play I play uh uh oboe and English horn in fact um I've actually started playing again
[speaker001:] oh really
[speaker002:] uh I played when I was uh up through college in my first year of college and uh uh then college got the best of me and then I got married and had kids and and I really haven't had very much time to play but uh I have I found a friend who
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker002:] I met somebody in town who had kids became friendly with and discovered that we both played oboe in college so we've been trying to uh get together once a month or once every couple of weeks and
[speaker001:] well that's good
[speaker002:] and and play a little bit mostly uh it's mostly remedial work for us because we we we're both out of shape
[speaker001:] uh-huh yeah I bet I I'd never played really anything throughout school I never I don't know I never got in it I thought it would take too much time and all that then I I um I started getting into uh drums I got this bongo that someone had left at our house and I sort of play on that and I got I got a drum set like three months ago
[speaker002:] oh cool
[speaker001:] and I've we've got extra room in our house and I've been driving all my roommates crazy playing on that but I really need to get like I know this guy that I think I'm going to try to get to uh give me lessons and stuff because there's lots of stuff that I don't I mean I could I'm improving but slowly and I think I could you know
[speaker002:] yeah well also if you if you take lessons you might be able to uh
[speaker001:] learn a lot
[speaker002:] nip bad habits before they start
[speaker001:] yeah it's true which I probably already have because I've been playing for three months but um it's never too late I guess it's not too late to change yet but uh it's been that's been a lot of fun and it makes me listen more a lot more too to when I'm listening to bands and music and stuff uh I mean I I play a lot more attention to what they're doing and I I appreciate you know a a lot of what the musicians are doing |
[speaker002:] well I I don't think that it's it's wrong for a company to require drug testing for certain types of positions for instance jobs that require use of heavy machinery and things like that where there's where there's uh endangerment to their own life and other people's lives
[speaker001:] all right I agree with that people that are uh driving
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] like uh truck drivers and things like that I definitely think they should be tested and and I'm not I'm not opposed to any testing I mean
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] because I know I certainly wouldn't want to uh you know be endangered by somebody in a company that accidentally dropped something on me or you know because he was on drugs while he was there
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] uh
[speaker002:] well how do you feel how do you feel about uh companies drug testing prior to hiring
[speaker001:] oh um I was tested uh within my company I think it's it's it's kind of a push to uh weed out drugs in states and because I don't know of any other countries that are doing this
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and I feel I feel like it's really just within the United States it's um it's okay I think your record should stand for itself that you know if you've been tested at other companies and you've always come up negative or whatever then I don't see what the big deal is that they have to go to all the expense of testing you over and over and over and once you've established the fact that you're not a drug user and
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] especially if your personality proves that you're not
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] I think they could uh save money by not doing that you know every time say if you change jobs that you you wouldn't have to do it if you'd just been tested at your other work place
[speaker002:] well what about random testing though
[speaker001:] oh right
[speaker002:] do do you feel like that's an invasion invasion of certain people's rights if not everyone is tested
[speaker001:] uh not if it's done fairly and that's probably my question is how how do you know it's done fairly
[speaker002:] I don't know that you do if it's random then it's random and that's not necessarily fair
[speaker001:] yeah well they might tell you it's random
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] but then you know it's kind of like a a lottery somebody in their lifetime may win millions of dollars where another person doesn't win anything and tries and tries and tries
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] you know
[speaker002:] well I happen I know that for instance in the NC double A they drug test and it's not random
[speaker001:] oh I see how'd how did they how do they pick their people
[speaker002:] um well I think all college players have to do an initial drug test at a certain point prior to the season and from that point on uh
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] at the NC double A does have something to do with it but it's almost discretionary on the coach's part of each individual individually individual institution to identify the ones that have the problem
[speaker001:] oh I see so do you
[speaker002:] and and the ones that test positive have to retest after a certain period of time
[speaker001:] right well do you think that should be implemented in the work place you know as like a manager or supervisor thinks or has suspicion that someone is using drugs do you think they should have the right to send them
[speaker002:] well not being a drug user I don't have a problem with that personally but I think that might be a violation of someone's rights if someone's
[speaker001:] to be tested right
[speaker002:] having personal problems for some reason that's causing them to have behave differently and their manager assumes they have a drug problem I mean if someone assumed that of me I would be upset
[speaker001:] right right right yeah it it would almost be like a a uh
[speaker002:] it's an accusation and and it's and it's based based on on uh perception that someone has of how a drug user would behave when some drugs users behave
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] uh normal uh you know
[speaker001:] right and then how would you feel afterwards when you came up negative and you know your supervisor has accused you of using drugs
[speaker002:] right exactly it it I don't the I think almost the only way that drug testing can be done fairly is if it's across the board from from the janitors to the executive management
[speaker001:] right I agree with that because I know personally myself I've been in the same job for three years it'll be three years in August and I've already been drug tested three times
[speaker002:] um-hum what type of job do you have
[speaker001:] well I'm an environmental engineer
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and I've been drug tested three times and I know many people that have never been tested in their lifetime and the company I work for is sixty thousand people plus so see I I for some reason I've come up three times that's pretty high statistics
[speaker002:] well does your job require does your job require you to drive company equipment or to operate any type of machinery that might endanger endanger someone
[speaker001:] no no not at all it
[speaker002:] well it that doesn't I I mean I I
[speaker001:] it's a legal job you know
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] so see it's really strange
[speaker002:] hum that is odd I was drug tested uh not for the job I have now but for the prior job uh but I know that they sent that the job I had before that well the job I have have now requested my uh uh my uh medical record from my old company
[speaker001:] oh uh-huh
[speaker002:] so I don't know if I wasn't drug tested based on that or because the man who hired me didn't request the drug test because I know that my company does drug testing on occasion
[speaker001:] right well does your the company say for instance does the company you worked for before before have the right or do they have the ability to say hey we've already drug tested her and and she came up negative
[speaker002:] well no I don't think they can they can force another company to not drug test me just by saying that I I didn't I mean they they don't know that I don't use drugs they just tested me once
[speaker001:] yeah right right yeah
[speaker002:] but I used to work for a power company so it was very important that they make sure their employees especially linemen
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] uh were clean
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and since I was just you know one of the office folk I guess it wasn't as important to them that they test me regularly but I know they test most of the service people fairly regularly regularly uh just across the board
[speaker001:] uh-huh yeah and are they tested random
[speaker002:] no they're all of them are tested once every three months it's a rotation
[speaker001:] they're oh okay I see
[speaker002:] but it but again it depends on what job you're in the men that are out there fixing power lines are tested a lot
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and the men that drive the trucks with with the guys that fix the power lines aren't tested as much
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker002:] but but see they make that clear to them as they hire those guys what the what the drug testing schedule is they say we we're testing you tomorrow and we'll test you every three months thereafter while you work here
[speaker001:] oh I see uh-huh okay so they know that and they
[speaker002:] yeah it's it's made very c lear upon hiring
[speaker001:] uh-huh okay well
[speaker002:] well have we spent our at least five minutes okay
[speaker001:] yeah I think so yeah seven twenty five
[speaker002:] okay
[speaker001:] okay nice speaking to you
[speaker002:] nice to talk to you too bye-bye
[speaker001:] okay bye |
[speaker002:] do you take magazines
[speaker001:] well the only one I get right now is the Journal and I'm really kind of tired of it because it comes out on the newsstand before I ever get it
[speaker002:] oh
[speaker001:] so I don't think I'm gonna subscribe to it anymore
[speaker002:] oh I really enjoy the magazines I take I take several uh or I take two through the church and then I take uh Reader's Digest National Geographic Geographic and Better Homes and Gardens and McCall's
[speaker001:] so uh-huh
[speaker002:] and uh hm Redbook
[speaker001:] oh that's a lot I like Redbook I'm I never would have time to read all those magazines most of the time when I grab one I'm at the airport
[speaker002:] oh do you travel a lot
[speaker001:] I do I travel a lot and I just usually will do that you know grab one then and that's about the only time I read them so sometimes I'll pick one up because it looks good and I don't even get to see it so
[speaker002:] oh oh well I I um uh I work volunteer at the hospital and a lot of times I'll take them in there and go through them and pick out the articles I like and and read them but I really enjoy the magazines I don't I really don't
[speaker001:] uh-huh yeah
[speaker002:] read them as much as I would like to but I do like to pick them up and go through them especially if they're National Geographic and Reader's Digest I really enjoy those two
[speaker001:] yeah well Reader's Digest is always a good magazine it's always great it's got lots of different things in but as far as the articles go I just find we go round and round on the same things an awful lot so I'm just sort of tired of that and
[speaker002:] yes uh-huh uh-huh oh
[speaker001:] I don't know
[speaker002:] well if the only time you read them is at the airport I can see why
[speaker001:] yeah and I prefer to read a book I really do I like to do that better
[speaker002:] um-hum well you must be you must have a job then
[speaker001:] I don't know I'm sorry
[speaker002:] you must have a you must be employed
[speaker001:] oh yeah I'm a nurse and and I work float and so I work lots of days and lots of hours and different times and so
[speaker002:] oh are you oh you don't have time to read then oh you you said you like a book better
[speaker001:] yeah I do
[speaker002:] I read books too but I read them at night before I go to bed
[speaker001:] well I read about one page and then I'm asleep so I don't get very far at night that way and I guess with the holidays and all I haven't even picked up a book or a magazine in about a month but
[speaker002:] oh uh-huh oh oh we have a son that fies flies for American Airlines he's a
[speaker001:] oh does he really
[speaker002:] he's a pilot um-hum we have another son that's a doctor too but anyway I but when I wake up in the night and can't go back to sleep a lot of times I read and my husband has been really good about that
[speaker001:] ah yeah yeah that's good
[speaker002:] because I I do enjoy reading a lot but I'm not employed outside of the home either so I
[speaker001:] so that gives you a little more time to do that yeah I I have an application in with American right now for flight attendant actually so
[speaker002:] oh
[speaker001:] that's what I would like to do
[speaker002:] oh he sure enjoys it
[speaker001:] yeah well I I was married to someone who worked for American and I miss having my flight privileges
[speaker002:] boy we would too because we've got kids all over the world
[speaker001:] uh-huh and and it's just really you know I've got friends all over the world so if I ever want to see them again I need to get me a job at the airlines and
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker001:] I've always wanted to fly so with my nursing background I'm hoping that I will be able to
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] so we'll see but American is the best so trying to hold out for that
[speaker002:] oh he sure thinks he sure thinks so I saw by the paper today that they're going to lay off a thousand two hundred people though but it's mostly going to be ground crew so
[speaker001:] oh really yeah
[speaker002:] and my son is a pilot too so he'll be okay I
[speaker001:] he'll be okay yeah yeah I've heard that they were expecting some layoffs but
[speaker002:] yes uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker001:] I don't know
[speaker002:] oh don't you have time to read when you are at work
[speaker001:] no never no I don't even have time to go to lunch
[speaker002:] it's busy huh oh
[speaker001:] we grab lunch on the floor we bring our lunch and we spend ten minutes where we can and we're busy most all the time there are days when you know we can kick back but then we sort of visit
[speaker002:] oh uh-huh which hospital are you at
[speaker001:] yeah that kind of thing so I'm at Presbyterian in Dallas
[speaker002:] oh our grandson just had open heart surgery but I'm not sure which hospital
[speaker001:] probably Children's Medical
[speaker002:] I imagine so um-hum
[speaker001:] yeah yeah how did he do
[speaker002:] real well real well yeah he
[speaker001:] that's good yeah well I float I go to different hospitals I work for agencies besides Presbyterian so it it stays pretty interesting that way
[speaker002:] oh uh-huh
[speaker001:] different places at different times
[speaker002:] um-hum oh but
[speaker001:] I keep learning then
[speaker002:] oh well the Journal is one of my the Ladies' Home Journal is that what you're referring to
[speaker001:] uh-huh right
[speaker002:] that's one of my very favorite magazines
[speaker001:] it's always been one of my favorites and I first turn to Can this Marriage be Saved I love that column and
[speaker002:] oh yes me too uh-huh that's
[speaker001:] uh-huh and it's always been one of my favorites but I've just noticed that by the time I get it I would like to have bought it someplace
[speaker002:] oh |
[speaker001:] Okay. Um, I very seldom read a newspaper. I get most of my news information from T V. Mainly, um, if I'm really wanting an in-depth thing I'll watch C N N.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And I find it one of the best.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And, uh, otherwise it's just one of the regular, uh, channels eight or five.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And, uh, where do you get yours?
[speaker002:] Uh, mostly from T V too. I u-, [breathing] usually start watching the news at five and watch it at five thirty [LAUGHTER] and six
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] sometimes and, and then again at ten maybe just the headlines. Um, we do take the DALLAS MORNING NEWS and, uh, once in a while I'll sit down and read, [breathing] read it, [breathing] you know, but not very often do I read the whole thing. Quite often just scan through the headlines [LAUGHTER] and,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh. Well, I take the DALLAS MORNING NEWS and, and my husband, uh, he reads it cover to cover.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And, uh, if he thinks there's something that I need to know about he'll say, you know, here you need to read this and, uh
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] I don't know it, I kind of quit reading it, oh, I don't know several years ago when the kids were teenagers. It just seems like I was so busy all the time, and if I wanted to read, I wanted to read something light and relaxing and
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] and, uh, things like that and so I coul-, and it got so depressing [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Yeah [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Seems like it wasn't anything but bad news [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Yeah. If there's something, you know, that I want to know more about or som-, might be the Killeen murders. I've been kind of intrigued. I guess it's kind of the sadist in everyone [LAUGHTER]. You just,
[speaker001:] Yes, yes. I, [LAUGHTER] I will pick up if there's something really gruesome in there [LAUGHTER]. I'll go through and read it.
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Uh, but I find that I do better with, oh, remembering it and everything if I watch, uh, the T V
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] you know, and, and they kind of capsize it
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] and everything and watch, and I think sometimes it's, you know
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] maybe a little biased, you know
[speaker002:] Oh, yeah.
[speaker001:] i-, something and sometimes.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] You don't, you get the sensationalism as opposed to just pure facts.
[speaker002:] That's true.
[speaker001:] You know.
[speaker002:] I wanted a little more detail like, you know, they would tell more about the people that were killed, where they were from and how old they were. And I guess you just, you know, you
[speaker001:] Yes. Yes. *should be two slash units
[speaker002:] you just want to know and with interest, you know I found some people that were members of our church which was different. And that made you even feel a little more kin to, [LAUGHTER] to what was going on.
[speaker001:] You found some members of your church that had been murdered?
[speaker002:] Well, you know, of the same, same type of church that we belong to.
[speaker001:] Oh, the same type of church.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh, uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Yeah, so that made it a little more and that they were from Utah also so.
[speaker001:] Oh, uh-huh, uh-huh.
[speaker002:] So that was interesting, but I enjoy the news. I, I think our seven year old even e-, once in a while will sit down and watch it
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] with us, so.
[speaker001:] I used to, uh, or I didn't used to but, uh
[speaker002:] No.
[speaker001:] when my grandchildren had, uh, have stayed over before and even maybe when our kids were younger one of the channels used to give brief inserts of news at a child's level.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And I thought that was very interesting, and I thought that was very important for kids. Like they brought down something that had happened like if there was something going on, uh, in the war, they would bring it down to a child's level in words
[speaker002:] Huh.
[speaker001:] you know, that they could understand
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] what was going on. And, uh, I noticed that my grandchildren seemed to kind of enjoy that. The oldest one he's
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] nine and, uh, he would particularly enjoy this been a couple of years ago.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] And, uh, I thought, I think that's really interesting. Actually I even understood it better [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Yeah, [LAUGHTER] that's nice sometimes when they
[speaker001:] Yeah [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] they pull it down a little bit like that.
[speaker001:] Yeah, [LAUGHTER] you know. And, uh, but as I said, uh, I ten-, you know, I, I have kind of a blas3e attitude about, uh, news and news reporting which is, is not good, yo-, you know. *typo in word 8
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] Nobody should get that way about the news.
[speaker002:] [Very faint] Right.
[speaker001:] And what's going on in the world.
[speaker002:] Oh, do you have a certain station you like to watch when you watch it or,
[speaker001:] Yes. We like channel eight.
[speaker002:] Do you?
[speaker001:] We like it. It's the best.
[speaker002:] Um, channel five for some reason has always been [LAUGHTER]
[speaker001:] Is that been
[speaker002:] the one I watch.
[speaker001:] your favorite? Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] I, I don't know it's probably the anchors. They just kind of catch you. I don't, I don't know.
[speaker001:] Yeah, I very sel-, and I thought it was very interesting, uh, channel nine watching it when the murders were in Killeen
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and, and going on. They were having news coverage and,
[speaker002:] The C N N, is that what that is?
[speaker001:] No, it was channel nine.
[speaker002:] Huh.
[speaker001:] And, you know they have that hour that nine to ten
[speaker002:] Oh.
[speaker001:] of an evening. And so we had the T V on and we were trying to catch all of it, and they were showing some and I was watching, my husband and I were watching it, and then we switched over to channel eight, and the difference in coverage was unbelievable.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] I can understand why channel eleven is, uh, you know, why they're kind of behind.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Did I say channel nine to begin with?
[speaker002:] Yeah [LAUGHTER]. That's
[speaker001:] No [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] why I wondered.
[speaker001:] Okay. No, chan-, [LAUGHTER]
[speaker002:] I don't get that channel [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] channel eleven I meant.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] I was thinking nine to ten.
[speaker002:] Yeah, yeah.
[speaker001:] But channel eleven,
[speaker002:] That is if you, if you want to go to bed [LAUGHTER] early it's nice to, to, to watch that early news
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] sometimes, so.
[speaker001:] It, uh, but the coverage wasn't near as good as when we, you know, switched over to channel eight and they didn't e-, |
[speaker001:] okay well what movies do you like
[speaker002:] gosh I like just about anything we I think the last one we saw was uh Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Part 2
[speaker001:] oh now I love I like the turtles my little boy's four and he loves them
[speaker002:] well we don't have any kids but we like them anyway
[speaker001:] oh that's okay how old are y'all
[speaker002:] well um we're late twenties
[speaker001:] oh and you just don't have any yet okay well I've got two
[speaker002:] no oh gosh
[speaker001:] yeah my little girl is three months old and my little boy just turned four I had his birthday party yesterday
[speaker002:] oh
[speaker001:] but he's a turtle fanatic he even had turtle cake yesterday but I've been wanting to see Turtle too is it as good as they say it is
[speaker002:] it was it was actually better than the first one I thought
[speaker001:] good
[speaker002:] what's the last movie you saw
[speaker001:] Ghost
[speaker002:] oh we were just when when the topic came up we I was asking my husband right quick what's the last movies we saw he said well Ghost and Turtles I really liked it
[speaker001:] now Ghost yeah I love tear jerker movies but that wasn't too bad on tear jerker but
[speaker002:] not too awful bad
[speaker001:] it was oh it was good movie though I can see why it won so many Oscars because that was just so good and I like Demi Moore
[speaker002:] yeah did you see Pretty Woman
[speaker001:] no but I've been hearing a lot about it I don't we don't get to the video store very often and we don't have cable
[speaker002:] oh gosh
[speaker001:] well we don't really want cable it's just you know glued to the TV all the time anyway so we get two channels down here thanks I'm from Kentucky originally and we used to get five channels without cable
[speaker002:] yeah uh-huh yeah
[speaker001:] you know forty well uh I don't think y'all have the same channels but here in Texas we only get two channels and that's um do you watch soap operas
[speaker002:] uh once in a while when I'm home
[speaker001:] okay you work then okay well we get the channel with Young and the Restless on it
[speaker002:] yeah okay
[speaker001:] and then uh I think General Hospital and that comes on different channel
[speaker002:] yeah it does
[speaker001:] but that's all we get and that's no cartoons for my little boy but we've got a VCR and a lot of tapes
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] and uh my husband's a movie fanatic
[speaker002:] I think you'd really like Pretty Woman it was it was really a it made you feel really good it was just a happy movie
[speaker001:] oh what about Total Recall have you seen that
[speaker002:] yeah oh I saw that one
[speaker001:] that's good
[speaker002:] I I was disappointed in it just because of how violent it was
[speaker001:] yeah it was violent I try to get away from that my little boy oh he loves Robocop
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] and that movie I have to I'll fast forward it everytime they come to the part where there's have you seen it
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] the part where they're shooting Mercy
[speaker002:] I don't like that
[speaker001:] that it oh that's horrible that is horrible and their their the language on that's filthy
[speaker002:] I don't see why they have to do that I mean
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] I mean know everybody knows that it that the the language is there so they could just ignore it and you know
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] use different words instead I think
[speaker001:] yeah yeah I know
[speaker002:] but I I think lately Pretty Woman's been my favorite I went and bought the video I've probably seen it about fifteen or twenty times
[speaker001:] um my husband bought me like um uh I think Pretty in Pink for my birthday with a wait a second the uh I will in a minute Kyle sorry um he bought me pretty in pink just a second
[speaker002:] that's okay
[speaker001:] Kyle I'm on the telephone I'll be right I'll be right there sorry now you're glad you ain't got a four year old
[speaker002:] that's okay
[speaker001:] it this the first time he's interrupted my phone calls
[speaker002:] now now I haven't seen Pretty in Pink that had um
[speaker001:] Molly Ringwald yeah it was cute but it wasn't I like the um Sixteen Candles or sixteenth birthday or
[speaker002:] does that have Molly Ringwald I think I think Sixteen Candles was the name of it
[speaker001:] yeah oh that was so good of course I was a teenager when I seen that and I loved it
[speaker002:] I haven't seen it either
[speaker001:] oh well if you like love stories it's sweet oh it's sweet
[speaker002:] I do
[speaker001:] it really is and that's a tear jerker it gets you I mean it makes you feel really sorry for her but it's hilarious too especially with that uh little guy in it oh he looks like a little
[speaker002:] oh gosh
[speaker001:] I don't know he looks like a little boy next door
[speaker002:] oh
[speaker001:] but he's sixteen oh it's a cute movie I can't remember his name he kind of looks like Doogie Howser
[speaker002:] hm I don't know
[speaker001:] don't know either he's got curly blonde hair he just a little freckly little
[speaker002:] but probably know him if I saw him
[speaker001:] boy yeah if I could remember the name I know you'd know his name because he's played in a few movies but uh
[speaker002:] I was just thinking another good one I saw not too long ago was um Sleeping with the Enemy
[speaker001:] okay I've heard about that but I can't remember it
[speaker002:] that that's that's Julia Roberts' new movie
[speaker001:] okay yeah Julia Roberts is good
[speaker002:] yeah she's this one you know Pretty Woman was kind of a light comedy
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and a romance and and this one was a lot more dramatic
[speaker001:] wasn't it a murder mystery
[speaker002:] it it well it
[speaker001:] like sort of
[speaker002:] it was like uh it was a mystery it was a mystery she disappeared from her husband uh husband who was abusing her
[speaker001:] oh okay the yeah that's the one I wanted to see where he was on she was on a carnival at a carnival on a ferris wheel or something
[speaker002:] yeah yeah
[speaker001:] well did that come on TV or did it come out in the
[speaker002:] no it came out in the theater
[speaker001:] oh well
[speaker002:] and I think you know around here it's already quit playing but I don't I don't know if it's still playing anywhere else
[speaker001:] oh I I'd like
[speaker002:] but it was it was it was one of those that kept you on the edge of your seat
[speaker001:] real good I want to see that yeah I seen the uh previews for it on TV down here it's but it's just been down here a couple weeks I think
[speaker002:] oh okay because we saw it probably
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] four or five months ago
[speaker001:] a month is well I know it hasn't been that long since I've seen the previews for it but yeah I wanted to see it her husband was that was a dark haired guy with a beard and moustache or
[speaker002:] yeah he's uh he was a real psycho in the movie it was it was scary
[speaker001:] and no he shaved the beard off yeah oh I'd like to see that what about oh there was a we got one back here a while oh I want to see War of the Roses too have you seen that
[speaker002:] oh yeah boy uh I I didn't like it no it was I didn't like the way it ended
[speaker001:] you didn't I know well the only reason I know why it ended is on Arsenio Hall one night Christopher Reeves
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] told that you know I can't believe they killed them or or or who was it Christopher Reeve or Mike Douglas
[speaker002:] might have been Michael Douglas oh that starred in it yeah it was Michael Douglas
[speaker001:] yeah Christopher Reeve wasn't in it at all
[speaker002:] huh-uh
[speaker001:] okay well Arsenio Hall is the one that jumped up and said that I can't believe they killed them and Christopher Reeve or Mike Douglas went after his throat you dummy so I know that they die but I haven't told my husband we've both been wanting to see it
[speaker002:] it was I I it was it was weird it was a different movie from anything I've ever seen
[speaker001:] that's what well we was uh teasing about you know splitting our house down the middle
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] they did that didn't they and they marked off routes that they could go or something
[speaker002:] yeah that'd be kind of hard for us we've only got one bathroom I don't
[speaker001:] we've got two bathrooms but well it might actually if he takes my my house kind of looks like two trailers put together and one bathroom is at the end of of one side and one's in the middle of the other so we could do it
[speaker002:] oh well that wouldn't be too bad
[speaker001:] no and he could climb out the window well and we our whole house has you know every room leads to
[speaker002:] did
[speaker001:] three rooms so we can you know yeah well yeah you can get around you just can't go out the front door honey sorry
[speaker002:] get around well did you see Fatal Attraction
[speaker001:] yeah that's coming back on too
[speaker002:] I know it's going to be on on the on CBS Tuesday night and and that's kind of what in a way you know how it kind of bothered you the way it ended and stuff that's kind of how War of the Roses was
[speaker001:] uh-huh hm well
[speaker002:] parts of parts of War of the Roses was funny but then other times it was like it was just deadly serious and it just left you with this kind of uneasy feeling you know
[speaker001:] eerie feeling or I want to see it though I'd like to see that and uh The Never Ending Story came out on Disney this month I think I wanted to see that
[speaker002:] I I've heard about that but I don't know what it's about
[speaker001:] The Never Ending Story it's a child's movie but oh it's good I enjoyed it
[speaker002:] yeah I love Disney movies
[speaker001:] yeah I do too and
[speaker002:] I mean they're some of the best of that are made
[speaker001:] yeah yeah and uh well it's about this little boy who uh I think he's up in a attic or some part of school he got locked in the school and he got scared but he starts dreaming and this oh he's saving the land of uh oh it's been so long since I've seen it all I know is all's I can really remember is him flying this great big dog this great big huge sheep dog sort of looking thing it flies through the air and he's trying to save the land from some ooze but it's really good I mean it sounds kind it it had uh Fred Savage in it
[speaker002:] oh gosh oh
[speaker001:] no no no no no did you see that movie with Fred Savage in it though with uh
[speaker002:] I don't think so
[speaker001:] oh he had uh uh oh it was The Princess Bride
[speaker002:] nope I didn't see that
[speaker001:] you didn't see that that was cute that was real that was a good one I I like I like slapstick comedy
[speaker002:] so do I and a lot of times we'll go to rent a movie or something and and you're not sure how whether it'll be any good or not so sometimes we stick with the stuff we've heard more about than
[speaker001:] yeah well I heard a friend of mine told me she got Naked Gun last night and she said that was hilarious that
[speaker002:] yeah now we saw that and I and they're coming out with a sequel to it
[speaker001:] two and a half
[speaker002:] it was funny
[speaker001:] it was yeah I want to see that she said she rented it last night and said it was real good and
[speaker002:] and and Working Girl is really good
[speaker001:] now I seen that
[speaker002:] that was good
[speaker001:] was that with that blonde she pretended to be the boss or something yeah I rented that one night by myself I was home alone did you see Home Alone
[speaker002:] yeah yes I did that that that just reminded me of that did you like it
[speaker001:] I no I haven't seen it yet see we got TV |
[speaker001:] well credit cards
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] I'll tell you what I I can't say a whole lot about credit cards because I uh tore mine up
[speaker002:] is that right I I know people I know some other people that have done that
[speaker001:] yeah uh I got in some problems with uh financial problems because of credit cards so I uh basically just got rid of all of them I I have a a couple I have a uh gas card that I that I use just for gas and
[speaker002:] um
[speaker001:] you know uh one that I use just for emergencies but
[speaker002:] uh-huh yeah I have I have we have some some friends that did the exactly the same thing they uh you know they kind of overextended and borrowed and borrowed and finally they realized that they were they were abusing them and weren't going to get out of the hole and they just cut them all up except for for one they kept for emergencies and
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] they're still paying away to get out of debt
[speaker001:] I know it
[speaker002:] but no I did just the opposite I I guess I I sort of followed in my uh parents' footsteps I have quite a few of them I use them continually
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] but I uh I basically never charge anything I don't have the money in the bank to pay for and uh and I always pay them off totally every month yeah
[speaker001:] oh is that right that's a that's a good policy
[speaker002:] yeah and it you know I mean they they're just a convenience for me I don't have to get cash out of the bank and I don't have to to be writing checks and
[speaker001:] yeah yeah uh sometimes I wish I had them but in most cases I'm glad I don't because I you know unfortunately I
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] I I don't have the control you have I wish I did but but I don't uh and it you know it I just don't want to get into that situation again so we'll
[speaker002:] yeah uh-huh yeah I mean it it's easy I mean you don't have anything transferring just a little signature so what you know
[speaker001:] oh that's it see and that's even with my gas card you know I find that I'll go in to get some gas and I'll end up buying you know
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] candy and drinks and you know sweets and whatever and then at the end of the month I you know I get a bill and I'm thinking what did I get
[speaker002:] right surprising
[speaker001:] that costs so much
[speaker002:] yeah well you know but the I mean there are sort some inherent limits there you're not going to you're not going to run up a few thousand dollars for that right
[speaker001:] and yeah that that's true but I can I can understand certainly understand where
[speaker002:] now I with the thing that probably helps me most doing that is really you know uh not so much discipline I mean well I mean you have sort of a discipline in general about finances but but I hate their their rates so badly I mean their interest rates so badly
[speaker001:] you know oh yeah isn't it that's unbelievable how let me ask you this how how old are you
[speaker002:] that I I'm uh thirty three
[speaker001:] thirty three
[speaker002:] thirty two excuse me
[speaker001:] okay you'll be thirty three this year
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] you want to be thirty two as long as you can huh
[speaker002:] it's coming
[speaker001:] uh-huh yeah I I know what you mean about the interest rates it's uh it's unbelievable
[speaker002:] you know I just that just irritates me so much that that I refuse to pay them interest and and my wife recently uh decided she had to go to Brazil and was going to take off and she's from there and and uh didn't really have the money but you know she could pay it off and so I sort of reluctantly let her put it on credit cards but she's paying it and uh
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] I just won't do it I mean she's paying I don't know I don't know what per month you know forty fifty dollars per month in interest and I just you know I just refuse to give it to them if I need to borrow that kind of money I'll go to the bank and uh
[speaker001:] oh jeez yeah and then you bet that's uh yeah I in fact I've I've even uh heard some people that have applied for credit cards with much less uh rates
[speaker002:] oh yeah
[speaker001:] and have paid off their you know higher interest rate uh cards and just sent them back you know
[speaker002:] right right yeah
[speaker001:] and I I guess there's some there's uh uh some negotiating there too because I heard uh on one of the local talk shows here they had somebody on and and said what you can do is uh call you know if you've got a pretty good rating uh credit rating you can call your in you know your your card wherever you got your card from and tell them hey either drop my rates or drop my you know uh annual fees or I'll just go to somewhere else
[speaker002:] right huh well I might
[speaker001:] you know and if you've got if you've got a pretty good uh
[speaker002:] um
[speaker001:] uh history with them
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] they're more than willing to do that
[speaker002:] hum I might try that because I I have one card that I've had for about uh I don't know nine or ten years
[speaker001:] yeah in fact that's that's what this guy you know he wrote a book on it and he says that's you know he's tried it several with several of his cards and he's just told them you know I I can get this card from this bank
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] at this rate and yours is at you know eighteen or nineteen percent
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] it does not make sense for me to do that and if you won't drop my rates I'll just go ahead and send you back your card and I'll go somewhere else and get it
[speaker002:] yeah for me the big thing you know is the uh uh is the uh the annual fee and I just refuse I won't get any card now I've I've got a good rating and I've got you know and I'm not going I'm not going to pay an annual fee the only one I actually pay on is this one that I that the very first
[speaker001:] uh-huh |
[speaker001:] huh um do y'all have a budget
[speaker002:] okay thanks well um yeah we we do um we've been married for twenty three years
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and we have um three teenage daughters and you know they're very expensive so um uh we yeah we have somewhat of of a system um it's it's kind of um you know it's it's kind of hard to explain we've actually gone uh just recently to you know having having two checking accounts we always had just one and now we're having two
[speaker001:] yeah um-hum
[speaker002:] um it's kind of hard to talk about this because to me it's very personal
[speaker001:] yeah it's um
[speaker002:] so I have to be that's that's kind of the way I feel about it you know
[speaker001:] yeah I usually uh my wife handles a lot of the day to day finances and of course we're the like everybody like a lot of people we just scramble through month to month you know and uh
[speaker002:] yes do you have a two income family or one income
[speaker001:] uh we have a two income uh family she also works
[speaker002:] yeah yeah
[speaker001:] and uh but she she enjoys it you know and and she's good at it um if it's if it's I am kind of uh uh I'm I'm pretty bad about procrastinating and one one of these days I am gonna do something about that but you know you know how that goes but uh uh if but she she handles it pretty well she uh
[speaker002:] um-hum yeah yeah
[speaker001:] she writes all the checks you know once a month
[speaker002:] so your wife yes is that what her is is her career uh related to to finance or accounting
[speaker001:] um sort of on a peripheral she's an annuity annuity annuitity administrator and so she uh she works for an insurance company but but she enjoys it she likes keeping track of all that stuff and uh
[speaker002:] oh uh-huh yeah so that's sort of related to her field a little bit
[speaker001:] yeah sort of and we you know we've experimented with with uh budgets you know from time to time uh
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] but if you know you have to keep up with them so a lot of times we just uh just kind of play it by ear we try to keep our um our retirement and our savings kind of automated so we never see that money just like taken directly
[speaker002:] yeah it's just taking it out right right yeah yeah we do the same thing
[speaker001:] yeah and that that's kind of handy yeah because if you don't see it you don't miss it and uh you don't spend it
[speaker002:] yeah if if you have something to take it out that's exactly what we've always done and we've had uh they've always had um where they match your funds you know sometimes if you if you save so much then they'll match it
[speaker001:] yeah uh-huh
[speaker002:] um that you know we've done that too but my husband works for an insurance company and he he has now for about oh gosh how long has it been ten years I guess
[speaker001:] yeah uh-huh
[speaker002:] but he was with another company before that but we have we have I I work also but I only have a part time job
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and I get paid very little but um you know I try to use that money for food money Jim gives me a certain amount money you know we just transfer it into my account and then I use that for food household expenses and then I add my own check to that and then with that I try and handle
[speaker001:] yeah um-hum
[speaker002:] you know some of the clothes that the girls need and and things like that but the expenses that we need around have around the house
[speaker001:] yeah yeah so sounds like y'all pretty much do it the same we do just kind of
[speaker002:] so yeah
[speaker001:] play it by ear but but keep the the deductions you know coming on
[speaker002:] yeah we well Jim has Jim has a budget I mean he works it out every month and writes it all down
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] um you know I'm given so much money money a month so I am supposed to kind of get the food out of that so I try not to you know we don't
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] you know I don't ask for more I mean I just try and make it on that because I think when you go to the grocery store you can just you can go crazy with all the choices that you have
[speaker001:] um-hum yeah yeah uh-huh
[speaker002:] and uh you can buy you can really waste a lot of money that way so um well how long have you been married
[speaker001:] yeah uh about five years yeah
[speaker002:] oh yeah so you're just really getting started so do you have a family too
[speaker001:] yeah uh I've got one little girl she's like uh nineteen months
[speaker002:] oh yeah yeah
[speaker001:] so uh she's she's not uh
[speaker002:] she hasn't affected your budget yet really
[speaker001:] not not really not too bad uh
[speaker002:] no no not like she will later on you'll you'll see that because all of a sudden you're paying you're trying to decide whether you are going to do you know soccer and piano and all these choices that they have of activities to do
[speaker001:] yeah yeah when uh-huh
[speaker002:] and then you really have to start saying okay now what can we afford you know what can we do here and then you have to really sit down and plan some more and uh but I think when we were back at your age we didn't have much of a budget
[speaker001:] yeah yeah
[speaker002:] and then as the girls got older I think we we did more and more of that you know more budgeting as as they got older
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] um but um but what do you do do you
[speaker001:] I'm uh I I work for I'm an electronic technician I work at uh for a university uh Georgia Tech uh research
[speaker002:] oh okay oh well good good
[speaker001:] as a so I just uh
[speaker002:] well we just have yeah we have a good friend that's about to move to Atlanta I guess we're not supposed to talk about those things I better get back to the subject but um budgeting I found you know I feel a lot better you know we used to work out of one checkbook
[speaker001:] oh well um-hum
[speaker002:] and it would be very hard for me because I wouldn't have I wouldn't have any idea of how much money I was spending in one month now I have know exactly what I'm spending and it is so much
[speaker001:] yeah |
[speaker002:] no we just uh I guess I'm hot on this subject because we just spent three weeks camping in a recreational vehicle
[speaker001:] uh where did you go
[speaker002:] we took a tour of Florida
[speaker001:] well interestingly enough I'm calling from Miami
[speaker002:] okay well I was down there visiting the uh the orchid jungle
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] there in uh Homestead
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] came back with about ten plants that I hadn't planned on
[speaker001:] well yeah
[speaker002:] yeah we were down past Miami went down into the Keys
[speaker001:] well you know that's something I've never done is go down to the Keys although I I'm just here on business but uh I would love to go down there
[speaker002:] um well we found it a little bit of a disappointment uh we had expected some nice warm sunny days we got two days above seventy
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and uh we thought the beaches would be nice but uh uh well Key West was uh just coral rubble
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and uh we did find Bahia Honda was a fairly nice state park it had a nice beach
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] but the water was running about seventy five degrees so it was kind of hard to get the kids to to go in and and snorkel and and do those sort of things
[speaker001:] yeah well I've never done any motor home camping although uh uh it it is more attractive to me now than it used to be when I was a kid uh we used to go camping up in the Ozarks in Arkansas
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and uh we found a pretty remote campground uh uh actually whenever we first started going to it you had to drive about twenty five miles on a gravel road
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] to get back up into it and uh it had uh no electricity and uh it had a hand pump for water but it was on a lake that was just crystal clear and we would spend a week up there you know and they had a a little country store about ten miles away that you could get you know minimal provisions so you pretty much had to carry everything you needed with you
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] but uh that was it was great fun but since then I honestly have not done much what you could call camping
[speaker002:] hum well my uh my wife talks a lot about camping and uh she's taken the girls uh on off to Girl Scout camp a couple of times but my idea of camping is in a either an RV or in a thirty thirty five foot sailboat
[speaker001:] yeah well now yeah you kind of remind me of a friend of mine who who said her idea of roughing it is slow room service
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] but uh yeah I've got a uh I've got a friend of mine in Houston who has a forty two foot uh Tartan sailboat
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] and uh it which has for me has been the best of all worlds because he's got the expense and I get the pleasure of going out on it
[speaker002:] yeah I did that for a number of years I crewed for a fellow that uh was doing a lot of racing
[speaker001:] well that's hard work
[speaker002:] and uh and well it was fun it was quite enjoyable
[speaker001:] yeah I've I've been with it on on several uh races we've run the Pensacola yacht race for a couple of years
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and uh but no I love to sail and I agree I had never thought really thought about that as camping before but that is that is probably one of the best ways to go
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] what did you do did you rent a motor home when you came to Florida
[speaker002:] yeah we rented one from uh Cruise America
[speaker001:] was it what is that expensive
[speaker002:] uh it was running about eighty seven dollars a day
[speaker001:] well that's cheaper than a hotel room really
[speaker002:] that's cheaper than a hotel and you add uh oh maybe another twenty five dollars for that for a camp site
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and you know the hookup and water and sewage and so forth
[speaker001:] how big was the one you rented
[speaker002:] we had a uh thirty two footer
[speaker001:] yeah was that uh any problem driving or
[speaker002:] well it's it's a big truck uh but uh
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] when you get that big a truck the uh the fuel economy goes to pot if you try to push it at sixty five and you get pretty decent fuel economy at fifty five
[speaker001:] oh really
[speaker002:] so uh I just uh had a change of mind set and I would set the uh autopilot on fifty five and just cruise down the highway well everybody else wants to speed so they wind up passing you
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and you just stay in the right lane and there's nobody in front of you and all you have to do is guide it
[speaker001:] yeah yeah yeah
[speaker002:] so it's kind of a pleasant way to drive you uh I've found that I get there just about as fast as anybody else because there will be some cars that I'll pass two or three times during the day the same one
[speaker001:] oh sure yeah yeah that always irritates me when I pass somebody several times I've I've been in the other in the other uh uh uh had the shoe on the other foot
[speaker002:] yeah because you go down there and some hotshot will go by you that you know he's got a colorful car that you recognize and
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] the next thing you know you know it's lunchtime he's got to stop for lunch and you just holler at your wife to make you a sandwich
[speaker001:] yeah yeah right right right
[speaker002:] and uh well we enjoyed it uh one of of places we visited was uh Walt Disney World
[speaker001:] uh |
[speaker001:] Well, Patricia, I was just about to get on my tread mill, and then I remembered that I didn't make a call last night, and I thought I'd make one tonight.
[speaker002:] Well, I have an exercise bicycle in my bedroom, but it usually's holding clothes [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] That's what I did with mine,
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] for a long time, put it on the handlebars so I can hang them up.
[speaker002:] Right [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] And sometimes she just flops them all over the seat.
[speaker002:] Well, that's not why I got it, right [LAUGHTER]. How do you like your tread mill?
[speaker001:] I like it.
[speaker002:] You don't get, is it less boring than the bicycle or not.
[speaker001:] No, it's just as boring.
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER] You watch T V or something while you do it?
[speaker001:] I read a book while I'm doing it.
[speaker002:] Oh.
[speaker001:] But I was doing that on the exercise bike.
[speaker002:] Well, I do that too.
[speaker001:] I feel like I'm getting a little better of a workout, and I'm losing more weight on this
[speaker002:] Really.
[speaker001:] than on the other.
[speaker002:] Are you?
[speaker001:] And my legs, you know, how, okay, I'm going to turn forty this summer, I was getting all dimpled up [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] And those are going away.
[speaker002:] Really.
[speaker001:] So that's real good.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] We got it at a little bit of an incline.
[speaker002:] Are they kind of expensive.
[speaker001:] Uh, this one, yeah, this is five hundred.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] I know they get cheaper.
[speaker002:] They do?
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Probably the more you pay, though, the better the machine you have.
[speaker001:] Well, I hope so.
[speaker002:] Well, you can believe that anyway, right.
[speaker001:] Yeah. I didn't buy it really. My husband bought it because we, we'd never get out and go walking or anything, and we go to the lake and we ski and swim in the summer but
[speaker002:] During the year.
[speaker001:] besides that, uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Yeah, well, in bad weather, you know, well you'd have to do something inside.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] Do you work at T I?
[speaker001:] Uh-huh. I think, your voice sounds familiar.
[speaker002:] Really.
[speaker001:] Where do you wo-,
[speaker002:] I live in Arlington.
[speaker001:] I wonder if we talked before.
[speaker002:] Where do you live?
[speaker001:] I'm in Garland.
[speaker002:] No, uh, well,
[speaker001:] You sound like this girl that I talked to about books, and we got into movies one night.
[speaker002:] Oh, really.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Uh, no, this is the first time I've done it. Uh, my husband was just running out the door, he's working at night tonight. So I decided to do it [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] I haven't talked before. Uh, what subjects have you talked about?
[speaker001:] Let's see, education.
[speaker002:] Oh [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Social changes that we've seen in the last ten, twenty, thirty years.
[speaker002:] Well, that's interesting.
[speaker001:] Yeah, that one was.
[speaker002:] It's more interesting than the treadmill and the bicycle. Right? [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] The most boring one was about what meal would you cook for a sit down dinner.
[speaker002:] Oh, my goodness [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] The other woman didn't cook too much either. Right.
[speaker002:] really have a lot of variety.
[speaker001:] Yeah, they do. I talked to this old woman that was a retired administrator in Ohio one night about education.
[speaker002:] Oh,
[speaker001:] And she was,
[speaker002:] A school administrator.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh,
[speaker002:] Well that could,
[speaker001:] Retired, but.
[speaker002:] That would have been interesting.
[speaker001:] Yeah, and then one night I talked to these two guys, no, one night I talked to one guy and then a couple of weeks later I talked to the guy's roommate, in Virginia, about different things.
[speaker002:] Really, well that's neat.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh. One was about painting. When was the last time you painted something? Did you feel like you did a good job? Did you feel, uh, rewarded while you were doing it.
[speaker002:] Hm.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] How long is this going to go on, do you know?
[speaker001:] I don't know.
[speaker002:] I don't either [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] It's interesting, though. I never heard of such a project before.
[speaker001:] Huh-uh. Well, how'd you find out about it?
[speaker002:] Pardon me?
[speaker001:] How did you find out about it?
[speaker002:] Oh, I don't know. I guess my husband got a letter at the office, I, I presume, and they must have been asking. Does your husband work with T I.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Oh really.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh. I have a friend that had a roommate
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] that worked at T I and she saw it on the computer screen
[speaker002:] .
[speaker001:] and they made copies of it.
[speaker002:] Oh, so they wanted any, anybody, don't have to work at T I.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Well, that's interesting.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] I had no idea that was just for the employees, and I couldn't understand, I kept getting these calls, I thought it was an advertisement and they just were also called T I, you know, there is Texas Industries and different things.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] I kept hanging up on them for days, until my husband told me what it was [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Oh [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] I didn't know.
[speaker001:] Well, if you work for T I you're supposed to get a prize, is what I heard, and if you don't work for them you're supposed to get cash.
[speaker002:] Ooh.
[speaker001:] But then on the letter it says cash or prize.
[speaker002:] Oh. Well the prizes are pretty nice. He brought a booklet home and depending on how many calls, I think three was the minimum. But it went up to, I don't know, nine or ten. How many calls have you ma-, had?
[speaker001:] I don't know, gobs.
[speaker002:] Well, it sounds like a lot.
[speaker001:] This is going on my fourth week to do it.
[speaker002:] Oh, my. And some of the prizes are pretty nice.
[speaker001:] Well, like what, tell me.
[speaker002:] Oh, I wish I had that booklet here. Oh, I think I do, it's right here. I'll look at the end because those would be the best ones, okay?
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] Um, well, they have some watches that look really nice. There's one that's got some diamonds on it.
[speaker001:] For how many calls?
[speaker002:] .
[speaker001:] Does it say?
[speaker002:] I haven't quite figured that out. I thought it was eight or nine, but seems like too nice a prize for nine, just nine calls, isn't it?
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Says when we have enough calls from you,
[speaker001:] [Talking] [in background saying Stephen did you start the grill?]
[speaker002:] you will receive in the mail a numbered certificate for your calls and and explanation how to redeem,
[speaker001:] [Talking] [voice in background: pour some charcoal in there].
[speaker002:] for gifts. Are you listening to him?
[speaker001:] No, I'm trying not to. He's telling me to start the grill.
[speaker002:] Oh [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] It says three for a B gift, five for a C gift, et cetera. And this only goes up to F. So I thought that was somewhere around nine. But anyway, it's got these beautiful watches on it. Let me see what else it has a, uh, clock radio that also plays c-, uh, you know, tapes. Then it's got, oh some binoculars, and some pretty brass lamps. Got some, oh, a food processor.
[speaker001:] So it's not all stuff that T I makes.
[speaker002:] Oh no, I don't, I haven't seen anything in here that T I makes. The Mister Coffee, the double Mister Coffee, you know, the two. Oh, and there's a phone in here that's hilarious. It has a button you can push, if you get a call you don't like then it makes machine gun noise [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] And then there's an attache case, and cordless telephone, and then there's a card table, doesn't have any chairs, just a card table. Oh, some more jewelry, suitcases, and have you seen those univ-, anniversary lamps where the little balls go around.
[speaker001:] You mean the clocks.
[speaker002:] Yeah, clocks.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] I can, I'm going crazy, my daughter's playing the piano and I can't think.
[speaker001:] Oh, god.
[speaker002:] It's got one of those, and um, well, it's got a lot, I mean, pages and pages. It's got wheelbarrows. [LAUGHTER] A lot of kitchen stuff, of the mixer, the toaster, a waffle maker, popcorn popper, all kinds of stuff like that. Here's where, here's a calculator but it's not even made by T I, isn't that funny.
[speaker001:] Did they mail that to you, or he brought it to you?
[speaker002:] He brought it home.
[speaker001:] Huh.
[speaker002:] I believe it came in his, uh, his mail. Here's a camera and a dustbuster and some tools, someone, a lot of tools, a man might like you know.
[speaker001:] Yeah, so you're bound to find something you want.
[speaker002:] Oh yeah, you're bound to. All kinds of phones and clocks and, uh, here's more jewelry and oh, there's even pictures and little porcelain things to put on a coffee table. Oh, here's some brass animals, brass candlesticks, they're pretty. So I'm sure you'd find something.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] And, uh.
[speaker001:] Well, you know,
[speaker002:] Silver plated bowls and stuff. There's a lot of stuff, it's a big booklet.
[speaker001:] Well, do you know you have a ten limit, a ten minute time limit.
[speaker002:] Oh, no.
[speaker001:] Well that's okay, and then they come on and tell you, and they tell you got five seconds to say good-bye.
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER] Oh, well, it's been fun, this is my first time to do it.
[speaker001:] We'll keep talking if we want to come up with something else.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Let's see, oh, I tried exercise classes, and I never would go. We fin, we joined, ex.
[speaker002:] I went to Metropolitan a couple of years ago, so I sit and study, I sit in class, and I have really ballooned up since then, and, so, he's says I ought to join one of those that makes you go, but,
[speaker001:] They don't either,
[speaker002:] .
[speaker001:] Well the first one I joined, they went out of business and they transferred it to another one that was really far away.
[speaker002:] That's a very common experience.
[speaker001:] And we were going to do it, there was four of us together.
[speaker002:] .
[speaker001:] Well, then forget that, it wasn't near me.
[speaker002:] No.
[speaker001:] And then the second time I was going to do it at Richland College, and we, I just get with another friend, and we'd end up just smoking cigarettes and riding around like we couldn't find the place [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] That's funny [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] So my husband's just discouraged me on those things.
[speaker002:] Right, well, if you, if you can make yourself do the tread mill, I mean, gosh, that's a good workout.
[speaker001:] Oh yeah, my husband said he's never joined a course, right. And I got one of those Jane Fonda workout tapes that I dubbed from a friend.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] That didn't last long I had a baby, I think [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER] Yeah, right, each one of those puts on a few pounds, doesn't it.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] How many children do you have?
[speaker001:] Two.
[speaker002:] Yeah, I do, too. Two, a girl, one's in college, so I don't have a, have a baby anymore [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Oh, Lord, you're lucky. Well, I've got a step-daughter, she's in college.
[speaker002:] Oh, well.
[speaker001:] So there's where the money goes.
[speaker002:] tell me about it, tell me, [LAUGHTER],
[speaker001:] Where's you ki-,
[speaker002:] putting two of us through, isn't he lucky.
[speaker001:] Two.
[speaker002:] Well, me, I'm going, and my daughter Janet in Austin.
[speaker001:] Uh.
[speaker002:] Yeah, right. So, I'll probably have to sell the prize I get [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Where you going to school?
[speaker002:] U T A right here.
[speaker001:] And what are you doing?
[speaker002:] Well, I'm, um, going to be certified as an English teacher teach English as a second language.
[speaker001:] Yes, I do. I just got my certification.
[speaker002:] You're kidding.
[speaker001:] Huh-uh.
[speaker002:] Oh, that's,
[speaker001:] The test is a booger.
[speaker002:] .
[speaker001:] The test, the exit test.
[speaker002:] Hard.
[speaker001:] It's hard.
[speaker002:] Oh, no.
[speaker001:] It is so hard.
[speaker002:] Really.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Really, how are the other ones. I haven't taken any of the exit tests.
[speaker001:] See I didn't have to take any other exit test because I've been teaching for quite a while.
[speaker002:] Oh, yeah, before they started,
[speaker001:] But I've heard they're terrible.
[speaker002:] Really.
[speaker001:] Bilingual is just horrendous. I've had friends fail that twice.
[speaker002:] Really. I didn't know any of this. None of my friends have failed the English or the education ones [child].
[speaker001:] Good.
[speaker002:] I really ought to take those quickly while I still remember some.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh. Yeah, right after you get out.
[speaker002:] I know. [child yelling].
[speaker001:] Boring and they really don't help you a whole lot. Now see, I went to E T and I took one course through T W U [yelling] [man and boy yelling in background] most of the training I've got has been through Dallas just teaching E S L.
[speaker002:] Oh.
[speaker001:] From Chapter One Tea... |
[speaker001:] hi Rick how you doing
[speaker002:] pretty good
[speaker001:] you say you live in your own home or you do not
[speaker002:] no I don't I'm uh renting a townhouse right now but I'm moving uh the end of May I'm going to move into renting a house
[speaker001:] uh-huh wow I've I've never heard of that before
[speaker002:] I'm uh well actually this will be the second time I've done it
[speaker001:] how does
[speaker002:] I am uh in grad school right now
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and on my kind of salary you just it's kind of hard to come up with money to make a house payment
[speaker001:] well I I'll bet you end up spending more money renting a house than you would if you put a down payment on it and and uh
[speaker002:] yeah well down payment is a tough problem I guess
[speaker001:] yeah if you can get by that hurdle
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] I can remember when I uh when I brought my house I needed help uh and my folks helped me out to get started and now my rent uh well my mortgage if you will is uh cheaper than uh you know one room uh apartments
[speaker002:] yeah well I don't know you're in Massachusetts I think the the market is a little bit different here
[speaker001:] it's a lot cheaper in uh in uh Texas
[speaker002:] oh no I'm in I'm in Raleigh North Carolina
[speaker001:] oh oh North Carolina
[speaker002:] yeah uh it's probably what I'm paying now for an apartment is six twenty five
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and this this house we're moving into is only five hundred dollars a month
[speaker001:] so you'll actually be saving money
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] how about the utilities for the uh for the house that you're in now
[speaker002:] well the one now is is uh it's got a heat pump
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] so it's it's kind I mean it's not that cold in Raleigh in the wintertime but I mean the air conditioning is probably your biggest threat
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and the new place doesn't have air conditioning and has gas heating so it's going to be I know it's going to be cheaper maybe hotter but
[speaker001:] I I uh probably make you sick if I told you what my uh my mortgage is with with the taxes
[speaker002:] yeah I can imagine I know how things are up there
[speaker001:] I'm paying uh two hundred and thirty dollars a month
[speaker002:] what
[speaker001:] with taxes
[speaker002:] what
[speaker001:] I bought
[speaker002:] you have some kind of deal
[speaker001:] no no deal it when I bought my home uh twenty five years ago it was it was very expensive
[speaker002:] oh oh twenty five years ago okay yeah that makes
[speaker001:] yeah I'm an old I'm an old guy
[speaker002:] well that makes it more my parents have the same kind of deal too they've had their house that long
[speaker001:] well it works that way with uh with anybody who buys it's very difficult when you first buy your house uh but once but once you do that and hang on to it you'd be surprised what inflation does to uh
[speaker002:] yeah yeah
[speaker001:] to the housing market and even though we're in a slump right now it's not going to last forever it's going to catch up sooner or later and uh you got you got to live in a house some day uh
[speaker002:] yeah yeah see the problem I have now is uh I I want mobile because I'm not really sure what is going to happen a year from now I've moved like
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] three times in the last two years
[speaker001:] when you rent the home do they uh force you to lease and guarantee payment
[speaker002:] uh yeah they usually do put a a year lease on it
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] I was living in Colorado and I didn't have a lease which was really nice
[speaker001:] oh the the lease
[speaker002:] but I just kind of a verbal agreement yeah I'm going to stay a year and I'll be nice to you if you'll be nice to me
[speaker001:] yeah the the lease can work uh work two ways it can work to your benefit too where uh they can't increase your your rent uh if something goes wrong with with a written lease but with an oral lease they can so it works both ways
[speaker002:] yeah yeah yeah huh well what would you suggest think it would be a good idea even I think I might be moving to buy a house
[speaker001:] well buying a house is is should be your ultimate goal because you're going to have to live somewhere
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] and uh even if uh if you hang on to it for five years put a little bit of uh uh money into it you're going to get it back again with uh with premium just like putting money in a bank it's forced forced savings
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] if uh
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] you know living in a house is something you're going to have to do whether you you're doing it alone whether you're doing it with a with a a partner or you're going to have to you know
[speaker002:] yeah yeah see I'm single now and and see I may be going back and getting a PhD
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and I know I can't afford a house if I'm going to be doing that
[speaker001:] you you sound like a young guy and and uh
[speaker002:] yeah I'm I'm twenty five
[speaker001:] all right when I was uh in my early twenty twenty one twenty two years old I was working for a a guy in a gas station
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] and he tried to convince me to buy this single family house that he saw for sale and uh
[speaker002:] hum
[speaker001:] uh the price will sound odd because it was uh you know about thirty years ago but it they wanted uh forty nine hundred dollars for it
[speaker002:] wow
[speaker001:] and the buying a house was the last thing that I wanted to do
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] so I didn't buy it and I'm sorry now because I I you know I wasted a lot of money uh when you're twenty twenty one twenty two years old you you throw it away you and I wasn't paying rent I was living at home
[speaker002:] you wish you did paying it on rent oh well that's the ideal thing
[speaker001:] but uh but you know I was throwing my money away with that on girls cars you know typical things
[speaker002:] yeah yeah I had to waste a lot of money on my car that was the biggest mistake I ever bought
[speaker001:] you buy a car it depreciates you buy a home and it inpreciates it it it
[speaker002:] I know it was the s tupidest thing I why didn't someone tell me that
[speaker001:] you you buy a car uh and have it a week and you've lost half of it already
[speaker002:] I know I bought a a brand new I bought a Jeep with everything on it
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and it was just I don't know big mistake I don't even use it I rode my bike to class so there
[speaker001:] I live uh I live in a a ranch
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] uh five rooms upstairs one uh room downstairs a basement full cellar
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] uh I I've been painting it white only because uh that's the way it was when I bought it it's a white with black shutters on it
[speaker002:] hum
[speaker001:] uh uh I've got a garage under the house
[speaker002:] so where where are you near
[speaker001:] uh Boston
[speaker002:] outside of Boston
[speaker001:] yeah I'm about thirty five miles south of Boston
[speaker002:] oh are you are you near uh I have relatives in-laws that live there
[speaker001:] uh-huh where about
[speaker002:] what is it Duxbury
[speaker001:] uh that's still a good hour ride I guess
[speaker002:] north or south of you
[speaker001:] I'm south they're north of me
[speaker002:] okay so you're like at the bottom of Cape Cod
[speaker001:] no I'm not in Cape Cod I'm uh oh about a you know five minute ride from Rhode Island
[speaker002:] oh okay way down there I see I see I was I was up there Christmas my sister got married in Duxbury
[speaker001:] and the housing market up here is uh is really slumped so you can buy a houses relatively inexpensive right now
[speaker002:] huh Raleigh well uh have you ever do you read uh US News
[speaker001:] no I don't
[speaker002:] Raleigh was in the top twenty five housing market I mean it was a good place to buy a house but the problem is that the average house cost is really high
[speaker001:] what about the tax structure
[speaker002:] it's I mean it's it's good to buy a house if you have the money it's just that the houses are like
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] two hundred to three hundred thousand dollar houses
[speaker001:] wow what is the tax structure like up there how much a thousand
[speaker002:] I'm I'm not really sure to tell you the truth
[speaker001:] as my uh
[speaker002:] being a renter not even caring about that
[speaker001:] you don't care about that huh
[speaker002:] no
[speaker001:] my uh my taxes exceed my mortgage payment
[speaker002:] wow
[speaker001:] it wasn't like that when I first
[speaker002:] that's like my car where the insurance is almost you go to the
[speaker001:] yeah I can imagine it wasn't like that when I first bought my house uh this gentleman that I was talking to when I did buy my house told me that's what happened to him
[speaker002:] hum
[speaker001:] and uh this was you know thirty years ago and it's happening to me my tax is exceeding my mortgage payment
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] I'm paying a hundred and twenty one dollars a month uh I've got another uh year to pay on my house
[speaker002:] hum
[speaker001:] and my my uh taxes are a hundred and thirty five
[speaker002:] wow that that just doesn't seem to make make any sense why if you have to tax something for something you already own
[speaker001:] yeah but they're going to tax you just like they tax you your automobile they're going to tax your home
[speaker002:] yeah yeah
[speaker001:] and then you've got maintenance expenses but the overall cost is is a a lot cheaper now and where you're single now's the time to do it when you're married you know got to have time you're not going to have money you're not going to have
[speaker002:] yeah well I did see a house for sale in the area I wanted to move into but I don't know where I could come up with the down payment
[speaker001:] what is what the what is the down payments look like now twenty five percent
[speaker002:] I don't know I don't know
[speaker001:] you didn't even didn't even look huh
[speaker002:] I didn't even look uh see I'm living with two other people so when I when we break five hundred dollars in in three ways
[speaker001:] oh it isn't bad
[speaker002:] yeah it's not bad at all
[speaker001:] you're living with three other people
[speaker002:] no two other people
[speaker001:] two that's still tough
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] I can't even live with one
[speaker002:] well I don't know I still like being a student I guess
[speaker001:] yeah well it's it's nice to get somebody to help you with the rent and everything but uh at the end of ten years what are you going to have
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] nothing what are you majoring in school
[speaker002:] I'm in computer science actually I'm uh today I had uh I'm in a Masters program
[speaker001:] oh yeah
[speaker002:] and today was my thesis defense and I passed
[speaker001:] wow oh I see
[speaker002:] so we're getting ready for a big party as you can imagine
[speaker001:] so you're graduating this year
[speaker002:] yeah I'm going to graduate this semester so actually I'm going into the uh job market
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] what I really want to do is pay off my car and then
[speaker001:] lots of lots of lots of luck on the job market
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] although the computer uh science areas are booming right now but the uh
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] the thing that's holding everything back right now is the economy
[speaker002:] yeah I I really didn't have any problem I mean I had companies knocking on my door I didn't even like interview they came looking for me
[speaker001:] no kidding now that's good
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] they're they're always looking for a lot of uh good computer people because there's a lot of equipment out there and no one knows how to run it
[speaker002:] yeah yeah
[speaker001:] I I run a little uh computer business at at my home at night
[speaker002:] oh really
[speaker001:] yeah I'm working with uh Texas Instruments home computer
[speaker002:] okay
[speaker001:] and I do repair work sell software and hardware
[speaker002:] hum
[speaker001:] uh we're supposed to be talking about houses though right well I run the business in my home
[speaker002:] out of your out of your house
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] that's great
[speaker001:] so what kind of a house do you expect to buy when you do buy
[speaker002:] uh something on a lake
[speaker001:] all right um-hum
[speaker002:] or on a body of water this is the ideal house right
[speaker001:] yeah right
[speaker002:] big garage a big basement just like my parents house except for on the water
[speaker001:] huh well maybe some day you'll own your parents' homes
[speaker002:] that's true because I think they're going to move to Arizona when they get old my dad is into hot air ballooning and that's like balloon heaven is Arizona
[speaker001:] wow so it doesn't sound like he's ready to retire yet
[speaker002:] no well he retired from one job and then took another one you know took that early retirement deal now has two salaries
[speaker001:] wow do you do ballooning too
[speaker002:] uh I've crewed for him some
[speaker001:] oh
[speaker002:] but uh
[speaker001:] I've never never gone up in a balloon
[speaker002:] he's the pilot excuse me |
[speaker001:] Lucille Hughes
[speaker002:] okay Lucille I'm Ron Ron Moore
[speaker001:] all right and what did
[speaker002:] and our topic okay our topic was did you hear our topic all right basketball I guess I'm probably a lot like you I'm a Dallas Maverick fan
[speaker001:] yes um-hum well I certainly am too now tell me what you expect from the Mavericks this year
[speaker002:] well unfortunately unfortunately I don't expect a great deal out of them they just have too many problems too many ailments too many hurt bones and maybe too much age at this point you know when Roy Tarpley just now he messed up on them it just hurt them so bad I feel like everyone else I feel sorry for Donald Carter and the owners of the team and the management of team and everyone else it just seems like
[speaker001:] um
[speaker002:] they were just getting themselves in a position where they could possibly be a a final a final team playing for for all of it national championship or the world championship and something like this happens
[speaker001:] yes yes sir ah well do you think it's time that we go for new uh coaches is that part of our problem
[speaker002:] yeah I think at this time we're just in a a rebuilding type of phase you know I think that probably would be evident with the more and more the more and more young guys they draft
[speaker001:] well it just it's it's it's so discouraging that they can't really I mean they're entitled to more than they've been able to do so far I I'm awfully sorry that the Mavericks can't come on and and do Roy who's your next best team or who do you like after the Mavericks
[speaker002:] oh gosh I'm so much of a Magerick Maverick fan I don't know probably the Boston Celtics I've just always liked the Boston Celtics they have a they have a similar situation now that a lot of uh old guys on the team and but they're still playing good ball but I'm a I've always been a Boston Celtic fan too but
[speaker001:] well
[speaker002:] you know I've lived in Texas since seventy four so being a transplanted Texan in in the Dallas area I have to stick with those Dallas Mavericks
[speaker001:] we certainly need to support them do we not do you go to the game
[speaker002:] yes we do you know yes I go to a few games I haven't been to many I'm not a season ticket holder or anything I was a season ticket holder of the Cowboys for years and
[speaker001:] well
[speaker002:] when my kids got to a certain age and went off to school college and doing their own thing sort of gets boring going by yourself
[speaker001:] yes it does I'm sure it would it's such a monstrous place down there but um maybe next maybe they can do some I don't know who do they need to trade
[speaker002:] oh you bet well I don't know it seems like Rolando Blackman and and Harper sort of carry the team they just I don't know if I'm afraid to say that's probably who they need to trade to get someone in there good but and that can really help the team but they do that they trade the nucleus of their power right now
[speaker001:] yes sir it seems that way to me I course I don't know any of the newer ones that they have and I'm not well of versed on their capabilities but we really need to do something
[speaker002:] well you know I feel like uh the best they can hope for this year is probably ah an opportunity to make the play-offs I like their coach I really like Richie a lot and I just I think he deserves a good break he deserves a healthy team so they can really see what he can do for the club and I think Donald Carter the owner I think with all he's invested he deserves a a healthy team for one year and a good break also this thing with Roy Tarpley it just upset everyone I think fans owners management everyone
[speaker001:] I really yes sir and they have just done as much as they can for that man and he apparently can't straighten his act out so we need to to build on something more positive than that
[speaker002:] you bet I think they're fools if they ever bring him back
[speaker001:] oh I do too I certainly would agree to that
[speaker002:] hate to put it that way I just would not believe him anymore
[speaker001:] well it um I mean you can't give anyone too many chances and I think he has gone over the limit
[speaker002:] no there's an old saying you can lead you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink so and I think Tarpley's just a sad case but to be making ah a million dollars a year that's pretty sad
[speaker001:] that's right well it is tragic I don't um I mean we're gonna have to do something about all of these fabulous salaries they're paying to all of our athletes I think
[speaker002:] oh I think you're right everything just been put out of perspective now you know you take a a young kid Roy Tarpley's age I'd say he was twenty one when he came into the league and and now he's probably an old age of uh twenty five or six
[speaker001:] uh it yes sir
[speaker002:] and making all that money well that's uh that's quite a that's a little more of a challenge for a young man than they they need at that point in their life I think
[speaker001:] I think you're right I believe that one so
[speaker002:] so so I think you know it's created by |
[speaker001:] okay uh let's see I I believe in the trial by jury I think if it was up to the judge alone that there would be real possible for uh payoffs you know briberies uh unfairness one-sidedness you know all those kinds of things and I I also like the unanimous decision because you have to persuade everybody to be a hundred percent absolutely sure before you convict somebody I really I really agree with the uh innocent until proven guilty theory I think that's that's a good way to do it you know that's about all
[speaker002:] well I think I think basically we're in a lot of agreement uh in that I certainly agree that for any case involving serious injury to another person then maybe that needs uh some kind of legal definition
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] but for anything involving that a trial by jury certainly should be mandatory
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] but there should be uh with our overworked uh judicial system it seems to me like there ought to be a means of of um not having to take everything before a full court you know maybe there ought to be some kind of of uh as as as an example where called a jury duty now
[speaker001:] um-hum really
[speaker002:] and and maybe instead of of uh just kind of blowing it off and just spend a day or a day and a half like most folks do
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] maybe we should commit to spend a week and during that week you're kind of an ad hoc let's hear about it group of I don't know twenty five instead of twelve
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and each each case is presented to that group of of twenty five and those cases are of lesser degrees of magnitude you know the guy was caught burgling uh and he had his pockets full of stuff you know when he was caught uh you know that kind of stuff you can just turn to the judge and say you know your pleasure your honor
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] and there's not a lot of discussion about that kind of thing but the way our system our court system works that guy's going to have to hang around in jail or out on bail or something like that for an extreme period of time
[speaker001:] yeah right
[speaker002:] uh I just think our system is overworked and we're starting to stress the true meaning of of right to a speedy trial
[speaker001:] yeah that's that's a good idea maybe this pre group of people could decide you know which kind of uh you know where they could go from there do they need a big lengthy uh twelve person jury jury or do they need a six person jury or you know those kinds of things and the degree of the of the you know the seriousness of it you know how is this open and shut you know like you were saying or do you need somebody to go off for three months and try to figure out what really happened you know a jury like that
[speaker002:] you know we
[speaker001:] yeah that's uh that could be a good idea to uh that could work
[speaker002:] you know kind of deltaing off what what we've been talking about here uh I believe that
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] our we've we've become almost litigious uh society where we're everyone everyone is very quick to sue or to threaten to sue and that kind of stuff and although we're supporting a whole segment of society called lawyers maybe we don't need to do that
[speaker001:] yeah uh-huh
[speaker002:] you know maybe instead of of being so quick to sue you uh if you have a disagreement with someone instead of tying up court and time and that kind of stuff maybe you need you and if you want to your lawyer or your your opponent need to go face this group of twenty five or a Judge Wapner like you know that they have on TV and let
[speaker001:] huh yeah yeah
[speaker002:] either he or that group decide whether or not you have a real case and let's you know let's get rid of some of this harassment suing
[speaker001:] yeah right that right that's that's a good idea I in the Bible it says uh if you have something against somebody to go to them first and if that doesn't work then to go get somebody you know a little bit more wiser and older and take them with you and go to them and if that doesn't work to take it to the whole church so that's right off that same kind of principle
[speaker002:] you bet and if
[speaker001:] that's a that's a good idea
[speaker002:] if we could all deal with those kinds of beliefs we wouldn't have half the
[speaker001:] yeah that's true that's true too but uh you know that whole Biblical concept like that that's true in a lot of our um you know the the way the whole judicial system and the government is based on that it doesn't work on that but it's based out of that and uh so that you know that could work there
[speaker002:] yes I'd forgotten what that's called there's a a real name for that like the Judean law or something like that
[speaker001:] um what is that called the Judo-Christian ethic Judeo-Christian ethic
[speaker002:] well that may be right it's in there some place I think we both know what that we're talking about the foundation of our legal society
[speaker001:] yeah right right right
[speaker002:] uh to and too the that was sort of the the beginning of ye shall be treated fairly
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] uh I guess the the Lord started out with we'll treat you fairly I'll treat you fairly there as long as you do what I say uh that's sort of the Old Testament version
[speaker001:] yeah that's
[speaker002:] I know I did a Sunday school lesson one time on the difference between the Old Testament and the New Testament where where there's a vengeful Lord in the Old Testament and there's a loving Lord in the New Testament but that's a whole different subject
[speaker001:] really really really yeah
[speaker002:] okay well I I think we have exhausted my pitifully small knowledge on on the legal system
[speaker001:] mine too yeah mine too
[speaker002:] but it's been a pleasure talking with you
[speaker001:] yeah same here what what part of the country are you from
[speaker002:] I'm living here in Texas
[speaker001:] oh okay in in Texas okay I was just being curious
[speaker002:] well that's quite all right
[speaker001:] okay yeah well I'm I'm from the Dallas area oh okay well that's that's neat
[speaker002:] well so am I in fact I'm at work out at Lewisville
[speaker001:] oh are you really wow okay well I'll let you go and it was nice talking to you
[speaker002:] my pleasure have a good day bye-bye
[speaker001:] oh you too bye |
[speaker001:] Alright Allen. Uh, the questions is concerning the changes in the roles of American women in the past several generations and you know, in their, the society we live in. What do you think has occurred there?
[speaker002:] Well, I think one of the major changes is the whole attitude towards women in the work place and the role of women in doing jobs outside of the home. That's probably one of the major changes I see over the last period of time.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh. But are, are they being given the full honor for the work they are doing and for the, uh, oh my gosh, I can't think of the word, but for the, what they have to accept that's they are responsible for. Uh, responsibilities is what I am trying to say.
[speaker002:] Oh, I don't think so. I think it has come a long ways in terms of giving them equal opportunities [NOISE]
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] but I still think in lots of job markets they are not treated as equals. In other words, in some respects the other direction, in some job markets they don't really want to be treated as equals.
[speaker001:] By the same token, most, in most cases, women have the jobs with the same responsibility of men who have been there before, but at lower salaries.
[speaker002:] Yes I think that's
[speaker001:] Is that right and wrong?
[speaker002:] generally speaking, pretty true. And I think that's what we really ought to look at that, going is, if they are going to do equal work they ought to get equal pay.
[speaker001:] Yes.
[speaker002:] And that, uh, they ought to have equal opportunities to advance to those positions
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and I don't think that we have gotten there yet.
[speaker001:] Yeah. Well, what changes do you think are most significant over the past few years? Any individual thing
[speaker002:] Oh, boy.
[speaker001:] or is it just a general switch over?
[speaker002:] I think it's generally that switch over. And, and I think that switch over has been more in the work force. I don't think that women are treated as equals in the home as much as they are in the work force. I think those women who are out working are probably still expected to carry more responsibility at home
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] that the husband is having them, on the other side of that coin picked up as much responsibility at home. So they have one and three quarters jobs now. Whereas the husbands have one and a quarter.
[speaker001:] I have a feeling that business with the woman working out at the same level of responsibility as their husband sort of tears into their social or their loving relationship.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] In that, uh, the, the lady needs to stand up for what she has made and her own rights and has a right to do so and this upsets the man because we have always been built to think that we were sort of head of the household. So do you think that is going to be uh, difficult saying as far as marriages and people enjoying each other
[speaker002:] Yes.
[speaker001:] in the future years?
[speaker002:] Yeah. I think also in terms of parenting. I think there is going to be some increasing problem because I think women are expecting husbands to do more parenting and I am not sure they are becoming more skilled at it.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] So I think it really has put some additional stresses on the family units.
[speaker001:] Well, do you have any opinion of potential changes that may occur in the next generation,
[speaker002:] [Inhaling].
[speaker001:] specifically?
[speaker002:] Well, I, I think one of the things that always happens is I think is when the one end wh-, you know were moving out to the end where a lot of women will be at work
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and then I think we are starting to see now some tendency of women at mid thirties and so the opinion of this career thing isn't all that it is cracked up to be and I want to go back and do something else. I think we will probably see the sw-, pendulum in terms of the work force swing back a little bit.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Also, much of it is driven by economics right now.
[speaker001:] Yes.
[speaker002:] People have gotten out and gotten use to incomes coming in.
[speaker001:] Well, I actually, mo-, a lot of women are being hired now instead of men because they can get brought in at lower salaries because that's what everybody else assumes they are going to get.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] And the people. Well, how do you feel about women in, uh, armed services?
[speaker002:] Well, I think they ought to have the right. I have some problems with my own family thinking about my wife going to com-, or my wife and my daughter going into combat
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] but I have problems with men doing that and I guess if they want to they ought to have the right to do it.
[speaker001:] Um.
[speaker002:] It's nothing I would be greatly enthusiastic about pushing for it.
[speaker001:] Yeah. I somehow can't do that I,
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] was brought up in the ages where the ladies were kept home, safe, secure, and made happy and the men went out and took responsibility of earning the money, bringing in whatever they needed and protected the household and it, it really still bothers me. I spent plenty of years in the service, but it still bothers me to see ladies out in combat or actually out in places where there is two or three of them there and five hundred men around. I mean how are they going to protect themselves so to speak.
[speaker002:] I agree.
[speaker001:] It puts them in a very bad situation. I, I really don't go for that.
[speaker002:] I think one of the other things that concern, has concerned me a little bit, and I think I see some change in attitudes there. My wife happens to be a wife who has chosen to stay at home
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and there's, uh, has been a tendency over the past few years to treat her as though she was somebody who didn't have much intelligence
[speaker001:] Yep.
[speaker002:] because if she did she would be out in the work force, uh, fulfilling herself.
[speaker001:] Well, that's not fair. Because I can tell you one thing, stay home sometime and start doing some of those jobs that she's been handling and you're going to learn there is a lot of responsibility just keeping the home going [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] And I hope we reach the point where whatever women chose to do, that's acceptable.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] If they chose to go into the work force that's okay.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] If they chose not to, that's acceptable.
[speaker001:] And if they go into the work force, they should be treated as nicely
[speaker002:] As equals.
[speaker001:] as, as well as a man or any other person. And, uh, not, |
[speaker001:] Okay, I guess it took, so I guess the recording has started now.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Uh.
[speaker002:] So, have you ever served on a jury?
[speaker001:] I served, I was in the Air Force, and served on a court martial, uh, board a couple of times, which is very similar to a jury. A lot of the same rules apply. Have you ever served on one?
[speaker002:] Yeah, I finally served on one last year. I've, um, been voting for years, and I couldn't figure out why I hadn't been called yet
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and I finally was. So it was an interesting experience. I was kind of boring. *listen; should I be "it"
[speaker001:] Was it civil or criminal?
[speaker002:] Uh, it was, uh
[speaker001:] A grand jury or,
[speaker002:] uh, it was, uh, well, let's see, it was municipal court
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] so it was a combination of, uh, and I was in the pool for a couple of weeks
[speaker001:] I see.
[speaker002:] so it was a combination of criminal and civil, and they had, uh, [inhaling] well most of the time we, we spent sitting around in the jury room and getting to know the other potential jurors
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and then, it was always exciting when we got called to, to, to go, because then we thought we might be able to do something else besides, uh, just sit in the jury room.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh. Uh, did, did the judge, uh, hand down sentences or did you folks do that?
[speaker002:] Uh, yeah, the judge did. Uh, I, uh, I had a hard time getting seated on a jury. I kept getting, uh, I'd be questioned, uh, for empaneling the jury, and
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] they kept, uh, dismissing me.
[speaker001:] Um.
[speaker002:] Course they don't have to give a reason, but it's just
[speaker001:] No.
[speaker002:] whether the prosecutor or the defense attorney feels like, you know, they want to get the best, uh, mix for their case, so
[speaker001:] That
[speaker002:] they ask all kinds of wild questions.
[speaker001:] that's a science in itself.
[speaker002:] Yeah, well I kept getting called up for drunk driving questions, and I think part of it was they didn't, uh, they didn't like the fact that I don't drink any more. So.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh, I see.
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Because you'd probably be, uh, too puritanical and
[speaker002:] Yeah, that was
[speaker001:] .
[speaker002:] probably it, although in my case I might have been more, uh, sympathetic with the person who got caught, I don't know.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] So, uh, were, were the, uh, sentences that the judge handed out what you thought to be fair, or would, if you were deciding, do you think that they would have been different.
[speaker002:] Well, I was never there, never there for any sentencing. Uh, I finally got empaneled on one case, uh, on my next to the last day, and, uh, we got into the, uh, jury room to, uh, decide the case, and there was one guy on the jury who announced to everybody that he didn't need to deliberate, because he'd already decided that the guy was, uh, not guilty, and he would never vote for guilty.
[speaker001:] Huh.
[speaker002:] So, uh, they appointed me jury, jury foreman and I, uh, didn't think that, uh, going in without deliberating allowed us to reach a verdict, so I told the judge that we weren't, were unable to reach a verdict because we couldn't get one member of the jury to deliberate.
[speaker001:] Um.
[speaker002:] So the whole thing had to be tried over again.
[speaker001:] Wow, I bet that made him happy.
[speaker002:] Yeah. [LAUGHTER] Yeah, it was, uh, it was funny. The, uh, I ju-, I, I don't know, I, uh, I didn't, uh, uh, I didn't like not being able to deliberate.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] I, uh, I, I wanted to vote guilty for the guy, and the other people were kind of mixed
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] so, uh, the guy had to go through the whole thing all over again. Cost him a lot of money, I'm sure.
[speaker001:] Yeah. Oh, how many members were on the jury? Was it a six or twelve member jury?
[speaker002:] Uh, it must have been six.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] That's kind of curious to me. I didn't realize until the, uh, Wayne Kennedy Smith trial, uh, a few months ago that they had six member juries. I thought that they, you know, it was always twelve, twelve men tried and true, so to speak.
[speaker002:] Um.
[speaker001:] But, uh, apparently for some, some crimes, it's permissible to have six people sit in judgment.
[speaker002:] Um.
[speaker001:] I know on a [breathing], getting to this unanimous thing, whether, you know, a jury should be unanimous or not, or not, in a court martial case it doesn't require the jury to be unanimous. It's a simple majority, you know, rules.
[speaker002:] Yeah. Well, let's
[speaker001:] .
[speaker002:] see, is it on, uh, capital crimes that they have to be unanimous and,
[speaker001:] Probably on capital, I don't know, we weren't, we, we, the two that I were on had to do with drugs
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and, uh, we were, uh, unanimous is acquitting the person, even though we in our, in our, uh, gut felt that the individuals were both guilty just because of the friends, because of various things, the government really failed to prove its case, and, you know, being fair to the person, if the government doesn't prove its case, no matter how you feel, you have to go by what's offered as proof, and we had to acquit him in both cases.
[speaker002:] Uh, it was too circumstantial?
[speaker001:] Uh, yeah, it was, yeah, in some of the critical things, like the off-, special investigations, at one time in one of the cases had videotaped this person, but something happened to the camera and the tape and
[speaker002:] Um.
[speaker001:] all they could do was testify, |
[speaker001:] so what is your favorite TV program
[speaker002:] well probably my favorite TV program is Murder She Wrote I happen to be a mystery fan and uh programs such as Perry Mason and Ironside and Murder She Wrote and Columbo all of those uh are my my favorite kinds of programs
[speaker001:] yeah uh um I've watched Murder She Wrote a couple of times but um I like mysteries and I do like Columbo but there what is opposite Murder She Wrote there's something else that I watch I think it's that family home video show
[speaker002:] uh-huh well the
[speaker001:] that Famous Home Video is what's opposite it here I don't know up there but um I like that because it it really makes me laugh people send in have you ever watched that where they
[speaker002:] yeah no well I don't think we get it here
[speaker001:] oh they send in they do videos of funny things that happen at home you know and then send it in and show it on TV and oh boy I tell you what it's it's hysterical
[speaker002:] huh-uh oh what kinds of things do they uh show
[speaker001:] oh gosh well uh one that comes to mind is a lady I don't know what the heck she was doing in her dishwasher but she was in her dishwasher her head was in her dishwasher and her hair got caught
[speaker002:] oh my word
[speaker001:] and she couldn't get out and her hair it was and she was heavy kind of like me and so what you could see was this big bottom sticking out of her of her dishwasher and her husband was
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] say he was videotaping this thing you know there she is caught in the dishwasher you know oh it was hysterical and
[speaker002:] oh my word
[speaker001:] just real funny things you know people skiing and doing funny things on in the water and you know just really it's it's really a good program I really enjoy that
[speaker002:] uh-huh probably things that that there happen every day and we don't even notice them until someone videotapes them
[speaker001:] I know it and then some the winner the one that's voted the best wins ten thousand dollars so you know
[speaker002:] is that right
[speaker001:] I often think gee I wish I had a video camera because I could sure use ten thousand dollars so but I like things like Evening Shade with Burt Reynolds I really enjoy that and uh
[speaker002:] um-hum yeah I saw that for the first time yesterday in the evening
[speaker001:] I really like that that's a good show and I like Rosanne now I know not many people probably like Roseanne but
[speaker002:] uh-huh yeah uh I have never seen her show but after hearing her sing the Star Spangled Banner anthem I will never watch her show
[speaker001:] well she doesn't sing on her show but I I do enjoy seeing that
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and uh so I like a lot of comedy stuff I guess you know but then I like the police things too Cops you know we have
[speaker002:] yeah oh yeah right um-hum
[speaker001:] and I like that you know so I don't know I guess I just like a variety variety of things and every day I just tape Regis and Kathie Lee
[speaker002:] do you oh yes that's a good program uh-huh
[speaker001:] do you like them I watch them every day I tape them well not this week because it's uh they're on vacation so it's just old tapes but
[speaker002:] oh okay
[speaker001:] but every I run my VCR while I'm at work I tape that and I watch it every evening when I come home and I don't know what it is about that show that's different about other talk shows
[speaker002:] well I think that they uh they seem like they are friends with one another and with all of their guests rather than just interviewing
[speaker001:] yeah and she's so cute and her and Frank and the baby and I don't know I just you know they took it off down here for a while uh oh gosh for about a year year and a half well
[speaker002:] yeah did they
[speaker001:] yeah I guess about a year and so I missed her pregnancy and everything you know and when they took it off I have never called a station before or complained or anything when they took it off the air here I called the station and complained I said
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] you took my favorite program off the air and do you do you think it'll ever be back and they said no we don't think it will be well that was channel eleven and now it's on channel four
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] so I'm really thrilled at you know that they you that they have it here so
[speaker002:] well great course I have to admit I I love uh when the fall comes I love uh football
[speaker001:] oh
[speaker002:] and I watch all the football games Monday night Thursday night and Sunday afternoon
[speaker001:] my mother does too I'm not a big I used to be a football fan I don't know what happened I'm just not a football fan anymore
[speaker002:] well and not everybody is
[speaker001:] yeah but my mother does not miss a game and you just don't know she lives in California and I do not call her on Sunday in football during football season I just don't do it you know she might call me during a halftime or after the game or something but I just don't call her and now they're starting up with new football
[speaker002:] yeah but uh I can't get too enthused about it yet it seems to me I have to feel that the fall weather to really do something uh with regard to football
[speaker001:] it's you think it's seasonal you think it goes with the season
[speaker002:] yeah I because I always hate to see it end in January I'd like to see it go on for a couple of months but football to me uh in real real hot weather it just doesn't uh doesn't click now I enjoy going to baseball games but I don't enjoy watching them on television and I don't enjoy watching basketball on television they're they're both well baseball's so slow
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and uh basketball seems like all all that you can really see is run and shoot run and shoot run and shoot and um uh because the average person doesn't get to see enough of the entire floor to see a play get uh develop develop and so uh uh I don't usually watch them I'll listen to baseball and I'll listen to uh like the Indianapolis Five Hundred I would not go and face all those crowds for anything in the world
[speaker001:] but you watch it
[speaker002:] but uh but uh no I won't watch it I'll listen to it on the radio yeah while I'm doing something else but I won't sit still long enough to watch them go round and around and around to me that is very boring
[speaker001:] oh listen to it yeah yeah
[speaker002:] but I I don't watch I don't sit and watch for long periods of time anyhow
[speaker001:] now see in Ohio you really have four seasons don't you
[speaker002:] yes we certainly do
[speaker001:] well we kind of do but ours our it its hot here I'm in shorts
[speaker002:] are you
[speaker001:] and people have their air conditioners on already it has been hot and humid here and so but our summers sometimes start in June and they don't end till like November I mean it's hot so we watch football in the heat here
[speaker002:] um-hum sure right I guess so
[speaker001:] so I it might not matter Texans are real football minded people
[speaker002:] um oh with the Dallas Cowboys although they haven't done very well the last couple of years but uh they'll be back up there
[speaker001:] oh oh well I know I think so I think they did better this last year so
[speaker002:] yeah they'll they'll climb back up again and that Texas Stadium I've been there that is a phenomenal place
[speaker001:] yeah people say they wish they had a roof on it though it doesn't look finished
[speaker002:] well and I think that's maybe what I like about it in that so many of them are totally enclosed
[speaker001:] I've never been in an enclosed one
[speaker002:] oh I well I have and they're very noisy and uh then of course I've been up to uh Cleveland Ohio where the Cleveland Browns play and that's just a wide open stadium and that cold wind comes off the lakes and it is miserable oh but um now go down to Cincinnati and they have a nice stadium down there but it's it's all open also
[speaker001:] yeah yeah so Ohio has how many football teams two well so does Texas
[speaker002:] two yeah yeah and then of course Indianapolis which is only a hundred miles away from us has the Colts yeah
[speaker001:] that's right they have the Colts now like
[speaker002:] so uh they they've got a lot of sports going on around here
[speaker001:] yeah I went one time to um okay Minneapolis
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] to the uh Vikings I went to a Viking Bear game one year oh many years ago now my gosh it's probably been twenty years and that was a real experience because there are some fans there and I guess that's a big game
[speaker002:] oh yeah oh yeah well I uh I'm retired from education I worked thirty four years as a teacher and administrator in the Dayton here this the Dayton school system and uh several of my players uh players several of my former students uh played with Minnesota Vikings and then with the Cleveland Browns
[speaker001:] oh oh how neat
[speaker002:] yeah it was it was fun because uh they would call when they were with the Browns they would call and say we left tickets at the gate for you all come on up so we would hop in the car the next morning and drive up and
[speaker001:] oh
[speaker002:] we have tickets waiting for us
[speaker001:] on that's wonderful oh that's what an experience to see your students you know grown up and playing football
[speaker002:] yeah yeah oh oh sure one of them was grown up and was Chief of Police here
[speaker001:] oh that must be neat to see what happens to them like that
[speaker002:] yeah right when you see the ones who are successful and there are many of them around and uh makes me feel good to know I played one small part in their rearing
[speaker001:] yeah you sure did what grade did you teach or
[speaker002:] well I I uh when I first started out teaching it was uh at college level and then uh after we moved here to Dayton then I went to the high school level I really enjoyed that more and so then I taught the physical education actually uh with the I was the specialist in water safety and uh so I taught uh the the physical education
[speaker001:] oh my gosh
[speaker002:] and swimming um on the high school level and then they just kept pushing me into administration and and I wound up as an assistant principal and then I went down to the central office and was part of a team to to to develop a program to evaluate schools and and to uh try to resolve problems within schools
[speaker001:] so no wonder you like sports so you were a physical education teacher
[speaker002:] yes sure I was also a gymnast when I was very small in a Czechoslovakian Turner Society and and yeah and had the opportunity of uh competing nationally and
[speaker001:] oh that's wonderful
[speaker002:] they had things that were similar to the Olympics uh the Czechoslovakian Turner Society did so it was it was exciting we competed on the rings and balance beam |
[speaker001:] uh uh do you have any uh particular books that you've read lately that are are good books that you've enjoyed
[speaker002:] I haven't read much lately I've always reading is one of my favorite things but somehow the last few months I just haven't read I've read more magazines than books it's which is most unusual for me but um have you read anything lately
[speaker001:] not real lately when they came up with this topic I thought gee I read a lot of books and now I thought what have I read lately um
[speaker002:] why what whoa I can't I know I read a bunch a few months back but I can't remember the titles oh
[speaker001:] oh isn't that funny I will have to say
[speaker002:] I'd have to go look around my room for the books I've read and they're still stacked there
[speaker001:] oh well it seems like I've have read a lot of children's books lately to my my kids and things like that but
[speaker002:] well now I have too well I have grandchildren and uh the oldest is two but he you know loves books so so I have read more of those myself
[speaker001:] oh huh
[speaker002:] lately I did buy the sequel to uh Gone With the Wind the other day
[speaker001:] oh
[speaker002:] and I've read the first chapter and and I thought it was real good and I have not even picked it back up you know and Gone With the Wind is my all time
[speaker001:] huh
[speaker002:] favorite book you know so you would have thought I'd a had the whole thing read by now
[speaker001:] oh is it by the same author
[speaker002:] no uh no see Margaret Mitchell died uh oh maybe ten years after she wrote Gone With the Wind and she that's the only book she ever wrote
[speaker001:] oh
[speaker002:] and uh so the heirs to her estate after fifty years picked this Alexander Ripley I think is her name to write the sequel which she did and
[speaker001:] um-hum well that may that may be the reason you can't get into it as as much oh
[speaker002:] no no it it it was very good it it brought all those characters back to life I just I just well I don't know I've just been busy and I just haven't read
[speaker001:] oh uh-huh
[speaker002:] where I've I used to find time
[speaker001:] yeah I yeah you know if I get reading a book I like to just close the door and just read you know and even stay up really late at night and and just stay into it until I finish uh
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum I used to be that way but
[speaker001:] yeah sometimes it's hard to do that with our lives
[speaker002:] well I get well I'm fifty three and I you know I just get sleepy and I go to bed early so where I used to do that years ago I don't anymore and I do I work my husband's an accountant and we moved our office home about two years ago
[speaker001:] oh
[speaker002:] so I work at home but I have a lot of work to do you know
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and uh then when I'm not doing that like I have my grandkids a lot because my daughter travels and she has a twenty month and then a four month
[speaker001:] oh
[speaker002:] so that's why we're going to Plano today that's where we pick them up at day care
[speaker001:] I see oh I see well some of the books that I have read um that I really enjoyed getting into was um the one Ellen Drury books you know Advice and Consent and have you ever read any of those
[speaker002:] now is that like a classic
[speaker001:] it really is um
[speaker002:] I mean I mean written quite a ways back that you like maybe read in high school or something or am I thinking of a different one with that name
[speaker001:] it's been around awhile but it's not you know it's not from the eighteen hundreds or anything this is it's a book um it's written in the nineteen hundreds and it's written uh about what goes on in Washington you know in the Senate and the House and
[speaker002:] oh no that's not what I was thinking of
[speaker001:] the President and everything and um it really gets into kind of the wheeling and dealing type thing and it's just it gets really fascinating I didn't think something like that would catch my interest but uh the way it's written and everything it is excellent it just really uh it's well worth reading
[speaker002:] oh yeah uh-huh I'll be darn okay well I sure wish I could remember what I've read so I could tell you something I did read that oh gosh
[speaker001:] oh there's another book out that's called All I Ever Wanted uh Needed to Know I Learned in Kindergarten have you ever heard of
[speaker002:] now I have seen that what is that about
[speaker001:] that's just real cute it's um it's just got a lot of ideas in it about basic things you know that we do and um you know things that you learn in kindergarten that that really apply to your life um there's one little section in there that that talks about um
[speaker002:] oh uh-huh
[speaker001:] uh holding hands and sticking together and um you know having cookies and milk and wouldn't it be nice if we could all still take a nap in the afternoon you know and it's |
[speaker001:] Okay, uh, I guess, we are just supposed to talk about things we do in our spare time.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] Uh, I basically read books.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] It is, I do. Sometimes, when everybody's gone to bed, my kids are in bed and my husband in bed, so I will just stay up and finish a book that I am, I have about three books that I am going on. And I will work on one for a little bit, you know, and then the next one. But that's just kind of,
[speaker002:] Well, that is pretty impressive to have three books going.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] Not always, just sometimes.
[speaker002:] Oh, yeah. And what what kind of books do you read?
[speaker001:] Uh, just really different ones. Uh, I have one that I was reading on, uh, raising your children and then another one on a, an autobiography, and another one on, uh, uh, uh, like a crime story [children].
[speaker002:] Oh yeah [children].
[speaker001:] A true crime story.
[speaker002:] Oh, do you like those detective stories? [children].
[speaker001:] Yeah. But this, it was a true one. It was just a little different though. [children] Reading that one last night.
[speaker002:] Oh, well that is interesting. Actually, I like to read also, but, uh, usually fall into one or two categories, either true science fiction or fantasy on the one hand or highly technical.
[speaker001:] Yeah, like my husband.
[speaker002:] Yeah [children].
[speaker001:] Yeah [children].
[speaker002:] Yeah, kind of one or the other. Uh,
[speaker001:] You must, uh, work for T I?
[speaker002:] I do. Yes.
[speaker001:] Yeah, my husband does too.
[speaker002:] Yeah, and I am a computer scientist.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] But, I have a lot of other hobbies.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh, really.
[speaker002:] Well, yeah, I am kind of, uh, I guess what you would call it, a project person.
[speaker001:] Oh, really.
[speaker002:] Yeah, and I love, like I have a shop and when things break around the house, I always try to fix them myself and so, hobby, it's, it's funny, uh, from the one stand point, it is work. But it is a hobby too, that I enjoy
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] to do. To find broken,
[speaker001:] Yeah, yeah. What kinds of things do you fix?
[speaker002:] Well, essentially anything you find in a house. Uh, a stove, or oven or a broken piece of porcelain or, uh, chipped tile on the floor. I mean just anything.
[speaker001:] Oh. And you have a shop?
[speaker002:] Well it, it is not anything elaborate. It is just a work bench and a gazillion tools.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] But, enough that, again for anything in the house I could probably,
[speaker001:] Yeah, you can fix just about everything and anything.
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] Well, that is great.
[speaker002:] And in the car, I guess the car too.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] And so, uh, I think I probably would consider that a hobby. Although, sometimes it gets to be excessive.
[speaker001:] Yeah. That is pretty much like my husband. He is, he is pretty, uh, mobile in that area too. He, he works on the cars. He rarely takes them in
[speaker002:] Yeah I,
[speaker001:] and, uh, he works on irons, and all T V -s and stuff too. We rarely have to take those things in too.
[speaker002:] Right. Yeah, I think it, it, not only can it be fun, but it can certainly help your finances.
[speaker001:] Oh, yeah. Yeah, definitely.
[speaker002:] So, do you have any art, uh, how do I say it, creative or artistic hobbies?
[speaker001:] Uh. Not really. I mean during Christmas I work on, you know, like, uh, holiday sweat shirts and those kinds of things.
[speaker002:] Oh yeah, well that's good.
[speaker001:] But, but, uh, not really [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Yeah. Well, I don't necessarily either. I can plink out a song or two on a piano
[speaker001:] Oh.
[speaker002:] and I can, uh, I don't necessarily draw or do any of that kind of art, I guess
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] uh, graphic arts
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] is that what they call it, I can't do any of that, but sweat shirts is certainly impressive.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh. Uh, I belong to this organization for, uh, if, if you have preschool children
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and, uh, every once and a while they will have a craft, uh, section for the moms
[speaker002:] Oh, yeah.
[speaker001:] and those are really neat and we learn to do the, uh, transfer pictures [NOISE] on the sweatshirts
[speaker002:] Oh, yeah.
[speaker001:] transfer photos
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and, uh, those are really neat. So we learn different crafts like that
[speaker002:] I see.
[speaker001:] uh [NOISE],
[speaker002:] Well, that is neat [children].
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] I guess you could consider that a hobby. Do you, do you cook for a hobby or do you,
[speaker001:] No [LAUGHTER] I cook dinner [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER] That's not something you,
[speaker001:] I don't consider it a hobby [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] I understand that.
[speaker001:] But, uh, you know, I no I am not a real elaborate cook or anything like that unfortunately.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] I like to bake off and on. And usually once a week I will bake something, but it's not anything elaborate, you know [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] At least, I don't think it is.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] So,
[speaker002:] But, I think that still borders on hobby.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] Probably the other thing I do which [NOISE] I am sure will sound horrible to you, but is I program for fun. Uh, on the computer.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] So, I have little projects [children] little computer projects going on that I consider hobbies.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] But, drive my wife crazy.
[speaker001:] Oh. Well good. You have a computer at home?
[speaker002:] I do, yes.
[speaker001:] Oh, good. Yeah.
[speaker002:] In fact, there is actually several of them here right now.
[speaker001:] Oh, really.
[speaker002:] Not all of them being mine.
[speaker001:] Wow. Then you are busy [children].
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh, that is very good.
[speaker002:] Uh, I wonder if you can construe raising children [children] as being a hobby? [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] Well, you know one of the books that I did, that I was reading, and I stopped because it was so, it's the book is so detailed
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and you have to, sometimes I have to go back and read the page over again cause I didn't quite get it all. And, uh, it is so detailed, |
[speaker001:] have any children
[speaker002:] no uh I'm single and but I've I been keeping an eye on what the child care situation is and I have several friends that do have children
[speaker001:] well what do you think about child care I mean I don't have any children so
[speaker002:] well it's it's uh it's I I feel that uh regulation uh uh whether be at the state or federal level is a must so we can have some sort of standards from one place to another uh that uh in terms of cleanliness uh the ratio between the uh adults to children is maintained uh food and so on I don't think one person one adult should have like twenty children to keep after
[speaker001:] well well do you think that how many children do you think they should be allowed or should be in one facility at one time
[speaker002:] well the facility I I don't have a problem with it's just how many adults or how many children to an adult and if if I remember correctly um one adult for six children was very good for around here and was more twelve to twelve children one to one adult was about the average
[speaker001:] but then and well in public school um you have one teacher for every thirty kids
[speaker002:] and so on but the but in day care usually the child is not able to um function totally on his own whether if it's if it's uh a toddler uh diapers have to be changed uh must be tended to constantly for fear that they might get into something
[speaker001:] well um do you think that there is enough child care available in your area
[speaker002:] I think there is it's just that sometimes location makes it difficult if if if I was married there is no place between my house and work that is convenient that I could uh use as for child care they're usually in areas where they can they can afford to set up shop and not where it's convenient for the people that are working
[speaker001:] um-hum well do you think that employers should provide child care
[speaker002:] well some companies I've noticed will provide the facilities and then let a let a uh a company come in and provide the child care while the employer's just providing providing the the facility
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] in many cases like in large companies that becomes a perk to the employees where they're able to get reduced child care and in and in the case of uh new mothers they're able to go uh instead of a cigarette break they can go see their child for ten minutes and then go back to work you have a better retention then of um people by not having them go on sick leave or uh paid holiday to take care of their children and so it saves the company money it's in the company's best interest
[speaker001:] well I think that really am I am all for employers providing some kype type of child care or at least the facility and I don't think we really have enough of that
[speaker002:] no it's it's it's a relatively new idea from what I understand it's has uh enough companies haven't gotten on the bandwagon they where they could see a realization and um savings of money right now by people being at work and not taking off and being at home if you make it convenient for them people will stay uh stay or stay with the company if you if there're more perks like that you can give them it's not just money it's it's everything about it and child care is a big issue it's important to me if I was married and had children I'd want to be as close to my kids as I possibly could
[speaker001:] oh I know and I think that if I had children and I couldn't find adequate child care I probably wouldn't want to work
[speaker002:] I'm the same way but then again how do you provide for the child when you can't work
[speaker001:] you you I know you really don't have a choice but then um I'm my boss had a case where um his baby got sick in child care and um all the babies at the child care place that he went to all came down with an ear infection and that's I think there should be some kind of um health regulation or or some kind of I don't know how bad I mean I can see how it could happen with all the children there together
[speaker002:] um-hum |
[speaker001:] [Beep] Yes, I saw HOME ALONE with some friends just a couple days ago. I wanted to see it, uh, because there was, uh, much recommended,
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] for months and months and months and it was a, a genre that I wasn't in the least bit interested in, and I usually, when I hear about a movie that's supposed to be very good
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] even if it's in a genre I don't like, I figure, well, I should go see it, because if this is, you know, the best of the genre and I should know about it, or something like that
[speaker002:] Yeah, right, uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and I usually come away thinking, no I really don't like this show [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER] Yeah, I, I, I, I feel that way when movies are like blown up, out of proportion, you know
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] usually people tell you how good they are, and you always, you know, end up with expectations too high or whatever,
[speaker001:] Yeah, yeah.
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] Well, the, the problem I had with the movie was the problem I've had with a lot of, uh, I guess, Hollywood movies
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] which is they are, it's a formula movie, and they're making the movie according to certain formula that's a good formula
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] but they seem to fall short of, of being really creative with a lot of things, I mean
[speaker002:] Yeah, uh-huh.
[speaker001:] here's the situation of this kid at home, you know, it's a classic slapstick situation with these bungling burglars trying to get in
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] and, you know, he did some clever things, but given the size of the house and how clever the kid was, it seems to me they could have done a lot more, I mean, you know, basically stepping on things and yelling in pain
[speaker002:] Yeah [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] and it seems to me they could have been a lot more creative stuff used.
[speaker002:] Yeah. I was very surprised that did do a slapstick movie, because that's, uh, not really the way comedies are right now
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] you know, all the comedies are more like jokes and, you know, gags and stuff like that
[speaker001:] Uh-huh, uh-huh.
[speaker002:] there's not as much slapstick anymore.
[speaker001:] Well, I guess it was a, uh, a very successful movie financially, so
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] we may see more slapstick.
[speaker002:] Yeah, tha-, well, that's true, it's very cheap to make a slapstick movie.
[speaker001:] Yeah, it is, it is, and I guess you don't have to, but, you know, if you look at oh, have you ever seen any of the movies?
[speaker002:] Excuse me?
[speaker001:] The French movies that.
[speaker002:] No, not really, the last movie I saw I guess, uh, was, uh, uh, the one about the French, the Frenchman that leaves and comes back, and he's someone different. Um, he's, uh, well, it's about a man, uh, that, uh, leaves his home and comes back to his wife, and his wife's all excited but the guy that comes back is not her original husband, but, um.
[speaker001:] Um.
[speaker002:] O'Gear [phonetically spelled], um, I'm sure you've heard of it, it was a very famous, uh, popular movie. Norman Gray, Norman Gear.
[speaker001:] No, I'm not with you so far,
[speaker002:] Oh, shoot, I'm going to hit myself after I hang up. I'll remember the name.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] But, uh, anyway, that was a French movie
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] it was, um, that was the last one I saw downtown, but I live in D C
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] well, actually Falls Church, Virginia, outside the city
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and, uh, so a lot of times they have the, the, the, international films downtown
[speaker001:] Oh, yeah.
[speaker002:] but, uh, so this, uh, French I guess are into the slapsti-, I guess they would like Jerry Lewis, too.
[speaker001:] They have, they have a Yes they like your Lewis much to the chagrin of sophisticated Am-, of sophisticated American everywhere.
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] But they have this one guy who does slapstick comedy, and there's something about it that's so innovative, you know, he'll have trouble picking up his hat, or catching his umbrella blowing in the wind, or something, but there's something about it that just, it isn't just slapstick, there's something about the human character in it
[speaker002:] Oh, uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and that's what I find lacking in a lot of, you know, like HOME ALONE. There was a lot of the human character when he was home alone and he was trying
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] - and there was a lot of human character there, but when it was, the real slapstick moments, him versus the criminals kind of thing, it just sort of lost the human element
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and became purely a caricature
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] does that make since to you?
[speaker002:] Yeah, uh-huh, yeah, I see what you're saying, there's less character development, rather just the, the, the funniness of the gag,
[speaker001:] Yeah, yeah.
[speaker002:] rather than
[speaker001:] Did you go with kids though?
[speaker002:] and how it fits with the character, right.
[speaker001:] Did you go with kids?
[speaker002:] Excuse me?
[speaker001:] Did you take kids along?
[speaker002:] No, we went, uh, without the kids, it's was a night out, away from the children.
[speaker001:] Oh, I would have liked to have a kid with me, I think, preferably someone seven or eight
[speaker002:] Oh.
[speaker001:] just, just to get a sense for, you know, how, how it affected them.
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] especially to come home and, you know, I would have gotten in trouble the next day, I'm sure.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh, yeah, that, that's true. I, I was thinking about that too, I saw that, um, that's why I watched another silly movie, um, um, with my cousin, was uh, uh, the one about the, um, the turtles,
[speaker001:] Oh, TEENAGE MUTANT NINJA TURTLES.
[speaker002:] Right
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] yeah, I saw that with my cousin, just to see what, you know, what the kids are into
[speaker001:] And your cousin's a kid,
[speaker002:] and that is, yeah, he's a little
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] yeah, he's, anyway, and that was just excessively violent. I was worried
[speaker001:] Yeah, isn't it amazing.
[speaker002:] it's like golly, if kids start imitating that
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] they'll knock each others blocks off,
[speaker001:] Yeah, it was all bloodless
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and the good guys can get hit all day long
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and they have to shake it off
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] they don't, they don't, you know, get, uh, epileptics, that sort of thing from getting hit on their head
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] you know, it's a little disturbing the violence in these films, partly it's supposed to be a little bit more okay because it's comic book
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] on the other hand it makes it seem like, I read an article one time talking about even the quote unquote realistic movies, don't have very realistic upsets of the violence. The violence can seem very realistic, but the aftermath is usually not there.
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] So you see people who are severely injured, very, very badly, lose control of body functions
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] they thrash around, they scream, you know, uh, it's just a very, very bad thing, and they never present that, even the movies that want to show violence as real, they don't really show you what happens with that real violence
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and I'm not really sure how I feel about that.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] Uh, on the one hand I'd like it to be a warning, on the other hand I wouldn't want people who currently get sort of enjoy their violence fixes from these movies to start thinking gee, now we want to see the aftermath all the time either.
[speaker002:] You're right, uh-huh, yeah, it's true.
[speaker001:] But yeah, TEENAGE MUTANT NINJA TURTLES was sort of the same way, they, I guess they figured, I mean, they know what they're doing, and they make the movies good enough, I guess I'm a bit of a snob, they make the movies good enough to be successful
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and then they don't, and they, but they could make them better, you know
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] they could try to make, I mean, as far as I was concerned, TEENAGE MUTANT NINJA TURTLES could have been a classic of world theater
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER] Really.
[speaker001:] , it could have been, you know, it was, it was innovative, uh, a completely new approach to making a movie in a lot of ways, and yet it ended up not being anything particularly memorable, because the, the story was stupid, and, and then things like that, and they built up, I remember feeling annoyed, again, I didn't have a kid with me, and I remember feeling annoyed that they had this whole thing about the Master and the passing of wisdom, the, from older to younger generation, it was, it was a classic Greek, you know, you know, a sort of, European mess going back three thousand years that they're playing with
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] um, and he had to, and he told them, remember, remember, you were united, you can succeed, individually you will fail
[speaker002:] Yeah, right, right.
[speaker001:] and then there was a big climactic fight scene, and they didn't remember that,
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] they didn't fight together, they fought individually, and they failed individually, and then that was it, then they had to have the Master beat him
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] and the Master should, according to the classic myth, the sort of Joseph Campbell type myth, he, the Master should have died at the end
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] because the, the lesson was passed to the young generation and the older generation is not needed and is reborn to the younger generation, and on and on and on, and all this wonderful mess
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and it still would have been every bit as accessible a movie for the kids if they had included all this stuff that, I, anyway as an intellectual adult would appreciate, it wouldn't have hurt the movie to do that, and it would have make it, uh, broadened the audience that it could have been targeted for, I thought
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] but, I, uh, I'm truly enough, you know, I'm truly an intellectual snob,
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] to be going to these kinds of movies, I realize that. I mean, to go to these movies and expect them to be, you know, other than just, just good entertainment
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] kind of thing.
[speaker002:] That's true. Yeah, there's not too many that are, uh, that are good just on their, you know, that, that you wouldn't want to change something, and there's always something that, uh,
[speaker001:] Yeah, yeah.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] I, I, I, I'm very, I'm very critical, I, I, I'm actually originally from Hollywood, and then, then, then
[speaker002:] Oh, really.
[speaker001:] and my father works in films and such, and I tend to, tend to be hypercritical
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] of these things, and then, perhaps, perhaps it's unfair, because I, I, I must admit I enjoy these movies
[speaker002:] Yeah, right.
[speaker001:] and that's what they're for, but I don't, don't remember them, and I think it's, I think, I can think of movies I have less fun during and then after the movie's over, I remember it so terribly well
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] because it, it had some, some meaning to me or something.
[speaker002:] Right, exactly, yeah, there, there, there are several movies that hit home like that. Of course the ones I always remember are the, the older ones
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] I always like the musicals, and uh,
[speaker001:] Yeah, yeah, they leave,
[speaker002:] those ones, that just stick in your head.
[speaker001:] yeah, they leave, they leave some songs with you, I don't know what it is
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] but it just, I mean, I don't know if this is old fart talking here
[speaker002:] No, it could be.
[speaker001:] or something, because I'm not that old [LAUGHTER],
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] you know, those old movies seemed to have had something
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] that, uh, that was memorable somehow, I don't know what it was.
[speaker002:] Um. Okay, well, I guess I got to get going,
[speaker001:] Okay, well, um, thanks for hearing me rap, I guess [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER] Got to go take care of the children,
[speaker001:] All right, nice talking with you.
[speaker002:] Yeah, nice talking with you. Are you calling from Texas, by the way?
[speaker001:] No, I'm in California.
[speaker002:] Oh, okay, the first person I've talked to outside of Texas.
[speaker001:] Yeah, there must be Texas people, as near as I can tell. Well.
[speaker002:] Yeah, okay, well, thank you very much.
[speaker001:] Okay, well, I'm from the.
[speaker002:] Bye-bye.
[speaker001:] All right, bye-bye. |
[speaker001:] All right, we need to discuss the voters.
[speaker002:] Yes.
[speaker001:] On a national and a local level.
[speaker002:] I, I,
[speaker001:] Why do you think the apathy exists? I blame it to apathy.
[speaker002:] Yeah, um, I, I suspect the apathy is due to something like people just feeling that, that their vote doesn't count anyway. I mean, why, why bother voting if, um, if your vote won't make a difference. So for instance, in, um, the last presidential election, I'm sure a lot of people thought, Oh, Bush is going to win either way, why bother voting.
[speaker001:] Why should I go out of my way when it doesn't matter.
[speaker002:] That's right. I think that's, and, and the other side of the coin is, um, people saying, well, if I really like the underdog candidate, I still think they're not going to win, so are only the same two caucuses, certainly not going to win, why bother voting for him. So. I thi-, I think that's a big, uh, a big, a big reason for it. How abou-,
[speaker001:] Oh, I think so, too. And I think the other thing is the news me-, media puts such a blitz on it that they we-, had it predetermined with a half of one percent voting, you know.
[speaker002:] Um, that's true. Actually I never thought about that, that, that's a good rea-,
[speaker001:] And I, I think the, you hear the news, you know, you start out in the morning, and all day you hear the news, and by time, say you get off work and go to vote. You feel like it doesn't make any difference.
[speaker002:] That's true, that's true.
[speaker001:] Due to the overabundance of news we have available to us.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] What do you think on the local elections though?
[speaker002:] I think on the local elections it's actually, um, I think, um, I think people vote in the larger elections because they feel like, well, you know, the country's real important, and, you know, if I, if we help elect a president who's going to save us, then, then the whole country will be saved. But they figure local elections don't mean that much, I suspect. So people don't really worry about their local mayor or something, figuring that, you know, and I think wrongly, figuring that, that, well, what good is another mayor going to do anyway because our federal taxes are more important right now, and you know, and stuff like that. So people think that, that, that they don't have, um, that, that it doesn't matter as much, whereas I think it's probably just the opposite is true. I think it's probably the case that people could have more effect on a local level.
[speaker001:] Oh, I think so, too. Absolutely. Uh, I think another thing, and uh, I'm making a judgment here that may or may, I think it is totally wrong, well.
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER] Uh.
[speaker001:] I think that the people that are, have, um, a lower income, which you automatically equate with lower education
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] [Cough] tend not to be registered.
[speaker002:] Um.
[speaker001:] And they don't register, and they don't understand that you can't go and vote and register all at the same time, or when it gets down to the point of someone saying are you going to vote today, they say, Well, I would
[speaker002:] Right, but,
[speaker001:] and I believe in this, but.
[speaker002:] Yeah, that's, that's possible. I still think that a lot of those people are the ones who really think that their votes don't make a difference, though, as well. I think it's those same people who don't know any better about how we vote, are, are, are a lot of the people who think that well, look at me, I'm just a little nobody. My vote's not going to count anyway. You know, and I think that's probably a portion of the population that massively under represent-, I, I, I would guess that that portion of the population is massively under represented.
[speaker001:] I had an interesting comment one time, a thought that would never have crossed my mind. I had someone tell me that, I will never register to vote because I don't want to serve on a jury [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Um? What do they have to do with one another?
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] I just, I, they, I just wandered off from that one. I was just so surprised and amazed with the statement that they say only registered voters can be picked for jury selection.
[speaker002:] Oh, so they didn't want to wind up being a juror ever.
[speaker001:] So they wor-, if they don't vote, they don't have to be on a jury.
[speaker002:] Oh, I didn't realize that actually. That,
[speaker001:] There is convoluted logic for you.
[speaker002:] Yeah, there is. There are much easier ways to get out of jury duty.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] Yes.
[speaker002:] Just go in and say, Oh, I want to be a juror, I can spot a guilty person a mile away.
[speaker001:] Oh, I just, right, right. There are so many other ways. But that one, it just defeated me. I didn't have any answer for that one. That one was just beyond my imagination.
[speaker002:] Well, that, that just seems to be a person who just doesn't care about much of anything around, sort of, you know, doesn't, doesn't, sort of, likes rights probably, but doesn't like respon-, responsibilities.
[speaker001:] That's a good point, you're probably right.
[speaker002:] I mean, that's what it boils down to, is people like to, people say, Oh, I don't want to be on jury, you know, I don't want to serve on jury duty, I don't want to vote, I don't want to do this and that. Well, then they could, you know, put them in the reverse situation, in the place where they don't have the right to be on jury duty and they don't have the right to vote
[speaker001:] Which,
[speaker002:] I suspect their opinions would change very quickly.
[speaker001:] And that was what I was thinking exactly about because in the Soviet Union they had an election, and they had, what, like a ninety-eight percent turnout.
[speaker002:] Yes.
[speaker001:] A massive turnout. At last, someone wants us to vote. They were standing in lines to vote.
[speaker002:] Yes, they were, they were doing that. Unfortunately, what, what, they, they had no idea what they were voting on [LAUGHTER] it turns out.
[speaker001:] And their vote didn't count [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] That's right. But, but it's the thought, they all got out [rattling]. But you wonder, if, you know, if, if now the next election they have, if only half of them are going to show up. Or how many generations it will take until only half of the voters show up in Russia.
[speaker001:] Or any one shows up.
[speaker002:] Right. That's, that's true.
[speaker001:] Total indifference, you know, what difference does it make. Back
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] gone the full circle.
[speaker002:] Now if things go the way that, that, that they are there, I think that they'll keep voting, but I think they'll wind up like us at some point, where people sort of, only half of them will end up voting, and sort of caring enough to really make a statement, so. You know, I think, I think that, that the people who most need to vote sometimes are the, are the ones who, who are really out to make a statement, because, you know, when, when, when you've got an underdog candidate who represents something, and even if he doesn't win, a large number of people voting for that particular candidate does, I think, make a statement
[speaker001:] Oh, certainly, there's a message there.
[speaker002:] to everyone else.
[speaker001:] Even if they lose.
[speaker002:] Yeah, I think and I think that's real important.
[speaker001:] Oh and I think women turn out to vote for women, too.
[speaker002:] That's probably true.
[speaker001:] Yeah, I thin-, well, I know it's true. You see a lot of that. You know, rally behind the female. She may lose, but by golly we're going to make a statement here
[speaker002:] Um.
[speaker001:] you know.
[speaker002:] That's good, that's actually really good. Well, act-, act-, actually the female who I would most rally behind right now, right, I don't know much about her politics, by the way, the way she makes speeches is a local person for you, is Ann Richards.
[speaker001:] Oh, okay.
[speaker002:] I don't know her politics. I just know that, uh, I saw her speak in the eighty-four Democratic convention. And right then and there, if they said to me vote for someone for president, I would have slapped down my vote for Ann Richards.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] Was, was that the time, no that was eighty-four, that's too soon. She said something about, uh, Ginger Rogers did everything Fred Astaire did, and she did it backwards in high heels.
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER] That's very good.
[speaker001:] She said that, I didn't. Said, you know, don't tell me what women can do.
[speaker002:] That's, that's, that's, [dishes] that's very good. That's, I, I like that. So I would, uh, I would [dishes] vote for her, and I suspect she could get a large voter turnout.
[speaker001:] I think I did vote for her, as a matter of fact. I'm pretty sure I did.
[speaker002:] Say, I, I, I would think that, um, that, that people like that, I think in-, inflammatory politicians are, um, or, or emotional politicians, certain very vibrant politicians tend to bring crowds out, I think. I would hope.
[speaker001:] Well, and some of the issues are so emotional.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] You know, some of the really, the really emotional ones. Have you followed the Dallas elections on zoning?
[speaker002:] No, I've heard of it, but not necessarily the, I've heard it's very controversial though.
[speaker001:] I, everyone has made so many statements. I don't live in Dallas county.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] But, I've heard so many statements that I've lost track.
[speaker002:] Um.
[speaker001:] I honestly at this point, it's, it's just too blown out of proportion for everyone. You really, even the news. You cannot follow
[speaker002:] Yes.
[speaker001:] what the sto-, the actual facts are at this point.
[speaker002:] That's what,
[speaker001:] I don't, I don't really know if some of the poor judges that are trying to decide how it should be divided.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] I wonder about them at some point.
[speaker002:] Um, uh-huh. Well, they were elected as well, so.
[speaker001:] That's correct.
[speaker002:] So. So they're going to be,
[speaker001:] And that's, and that's another interesting question. Should judges be elected or appointed.
[speaker002:] That's true, that's true. Well,
[speaker001:] Are they politicians,
[speaker002:] Well in some sense they should be politicians in that, you know, you want them to respect the people and you don't want them to have, you don't want a judge to be appointed because you don't want someone's friend to be a judge.
[speaker001:] Sure.
[speaker002:] But on the other hand,
[speaker001:] Or you want to take the other side of it, you can argue, that's one of those you can pick either side
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] and we could spend a lot of time on it
[speaker002:] That's right.
[speaker001:] because it's, it's difficult.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] It's situational, really.
[speaker002:] So, how do you think we can get people to vote? [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Uh, uh,
[speaker002:] I've had one idea that I think is, is, is completely undoable, but, but I think, but I suspect it would work. And the way to do it is to get an absolutely atrocious candidate, who you never expect to win, to go out and make inflammatory and ridiculous and stupid statements, so that a large population of, of voters will go out and vote against that person for someone else.
[speaker001:] Oh.
[speaker002:] So given a choice between, you know, so that, so if you have, so if, if, imagine a world where you have two real candidates and one idiot who goes out and makes, you know, anti, you know, sort of, um, anti women statements, anti semitic statements, anti black statements, et cetera, et cetera, well then I suspect a lot of people would go out and choose a candidate to vote for just, just to spite that person. But I don't think
[speaker001:] Um.
[speaker002:] that, that would actually ever work.
[speaker001:] Well, this is true, this is true. I was worrying along the lines of you get every time someone puts in a ballot in a ballot box
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] a dollar bill comes out the bottom.
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER] That's an interesting notion.
[speaker001:] That might work in some places.
[speaker002:] That, that, that, that would be interesting, yes, I think that would work in some places, yeah... |
[speaker001:] okay this subject is magazines what do you like and what do you dislike about magazines
[speaker002:] well I like them because I can read them at my convenience and I don't like a lot of the ads I get in them especially those stupid cards that fall out of them all the time
[speaker001:] that's my main complaint on magazines too and I get magazines some of them are just pictures and advertisements uh Life magazine is like that I quit subscribing to that it's just uh magazine I mean pictures and um advertisements what is your favorite magazine
[speaker002:] oh I like the magazines like uh the home remodeling magazines like Home or Decorating and Remodeling things like that because you can see what other people are doing with their houses and maybe you could do it in yours
[speaker001:] um-hum you like to do remodeling in your home
[speaker002:] yeah we've learned how to do a lot of things on our own
[speaker001:] for instance what are you doing now anything in particular
[speaker002:] uh no not right now um I haven't gotten any magazines that have shown me anything lately what other kind of magazines do you like
[speaker001:] well I like Reader's Digest we get that and my husband subscribes to Scientific American I think he's a frustrated doctor because he uh reads constantly we have a person in our area that uh his little girl was diagnosed as as terminal and uh he came across an article about leukemia so he had me fix up the make copies of it and give it to them and tell them that there's hope for her and all this
[speaker002:] hm how many different kinds of magazines do you subscribe to
[speaker001:] well right now I I dropped People but we have uh Better Homes and Gardens Scientific American and um uh what's the other one I think it's Ladies' Home Journal or Redbook something like that
[speaker002:] I used to get People but it cost too much so I had to quit taking it
[speaker001:] did you enjoy it
[speaker002:] uh sometimes they'd have good articles but a lot of it was kind of uh a lot of fluff and not a lot of substance and it and it like I said it cost a lot of money because I think they came every week or something like that so it was a lot higher than the monthly magazines
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] my husband likes to read sports and fishing magazines all the time that's pretty boring to me
[speaker001:] do you get those as subscriptions
[speaker002:] oh he gets one to uh fishes hm what's it called Stream Field and Stream that's what he gets
[speaker001:] hm
[speaker002:] but that's the only one but he'd get more if he could
[speaker001:] when my husband was younger he liked Outdoor Life he thought that was a pretty good magazine
[speaker002:] I don't think I've ever seen that one I don't know if they still do it or not
[speaker001:] I don't know my it might not be because it's been a while
[speaker002:] you know what I really hate about magazines is those smelly cards that have perfume or cologne
[speaker001:] what's that with the scratch and sniffs
[speaker002:] the well the ones aren't they're not scratch and sniff anymore the the one kind I'm talking about you open it up and the fragrance is just there it's like a fold that's glued shut but usually
[speaker001:] oh
[speaker002:] when you get the magazine the whole magazine smells like that fragrance and you can't get the smell out and it and sometimes it makes you have a headache because it's so strong
[speaker001:] what magazines are those I don't know if I've ever seen one in mine or not
[speaker002:] well they came in People and a lot of times if you buy like the fashion magazines the Cosmopolitan or the Glamour or or Elle those type have have them in
[speaker001:] oh I don't get those
[speaker002:] I don't get them on a regular basis but sometimes I've bought them
[speaker001:] hm do you have any pet uh magazines
[speaker002:] no we we have two dogs but no magazines come in uh regarding pets at all
[speaker001:] do you like the Reader's Digest when the in their uh theirs they're kind of interesting they have the uh
[speaker002:] I like Reader's Digest but I usually borrow my parents' of that because they get it so I didn't have to subscribe
[speaker001:] oh oh so you get away easy huh
[speaker002:] yeah well a little bit but I like the they're interesting and plus I like to read through the in the anecdotes and the jokes and things on those sometimes the book excerpts are good too but mostly I like the other articles
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and I like the vocabulary section in that
[speaker001:] yeah I like that too sometimes you can get a pretty good uh
[speaker002:] and sometimes the real definition is something totally of opposite of what you thought it was
[speaker001:] yeah doesn't that blow your mind away when that happens that's something and
[speaker002:] sometimes I like the true to life stories but sometimes they get too melodramatic
[speaker001:] like what do you mean
[speaker002:] it seems |
[speaker001:] okay uh
[speaker002:] it's Clinton right
[speaker001:] yeah it's Clint uh-huh
[speaker002:] Clint okay as in Clint Black right
[speaker001:] right is it a hobby for you or do you get serious about it
[speaker002:] um I'm pretty serious it's a serious hobby I guess
[speaker001:] do you have a lot of nice tools table saws things like like that
[speaker002:] um I'd like more but yeah I'm getting up there I just have a used table saw right now I'm looking at getting a better one but it's just an old Sears Craftsman
[speaker001:] do you do any remodeling of your house or what kind of woodworking do you enjoy
[speaker002:] uh mostly fine woodworking furniture type stuff um enjoy the children's toys
[speaker001:] hum
[speaker002:] I like making those
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] so it's basically smaller stuff have you done much big stuff
[speaker001:] the the big stuff's what I do the the stuff you do is the the intricate work um working with hardwoods and and stuff like that is I I'm lousy at that I mess it up every time
[speaker002:] right you do kitchen cabinets and stuff
[speaker001:] no no no even that that's that's I still mess up when I um I guess I really don't do much actual wood working uh I do a lot of carpentry stuff um uh finishing basements and rooms and things of that nature but it's
[speaker002:] uh-huh finish finish carpentry or
[speaker001:] I I do do a little bit of finish carpentry but not very much I don't not very much not not like the stuff that you're doing
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] um when I took shop classes in high school it was a lot of fun using the lathe and doing some fancy stuff with that course you can't mess things up on the lathe hardly
[speaker002:] no
[speaker001:] but uh
[speaker002:] yeah I got a I just finished a project one of those um swinging cradles
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and I turned all the spindles for that and that took a long time but it was pretty fun
[speaker001:] I'll bet was it hard woods you were using in it
[speaker002:] yeah oak
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] that's really hard to turn
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] but
[speaker001:] and make it look nice it is
[speaker002:] yeah had to fill a lot of chip marks up but it really chips really easy
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] do you work with oak much
[speaker001:] uh not at all not at all no pine and redwood and like I say I'm I'm really not a carpenter per se I'm a
[speaker002:] not at all
[speaker001:] or a wood worker I'm a carpenter I guess is and I'm really not even a carpenter I just but I enjoy it I do a lot of it
[speaker002:] uh-huh yeah that's I tried it for a job once and it's just not for me I like it as a hobby more
[speaker001:] it it's tough uh tough to make a living isn't it
[speaker002:] boy it sure is I just enjoy making gifts and doing small stuff on the side
[speaker001:] do you sell any so you do do some sales when you
[speaker002:] yeah yeah once in a while I'll sell some um custom custom type wood work if they're willing to pay the price now I used to get ripped off all the time because I spent way too much time on them
[speaker001:] um do you do cabinets too
[speaker002:] um I'm starting to I used that's what I did for a job one summer I made some cabinets for a junior high school and but I haven't done a lot of them
[speaker001:] uh-huh is it hard wood when you use when you what kind of hard wood do you use
[speaker002:] I use oak face frames and then just plywood for the box
[speaker001:] that plywood that's got the oak uh do you use that a lot where it's just you know what maybe a quarter inch or even thinner than that possibly piece of oak that's on the outside do you use that a lot
[speaker002:] the yeah the just on the outside where it shows yeah just slip it into a groove that you make on the face frame
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and then you can just slip that in there it's a lot cheaper of course quarter inch and three quarter inch aren't much cheaper than each other
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] of plywood
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] but
[speaker001:] and then they just have an oak face on them
[speaker002:] yeah just a
[speaker001:] are they ready to uh I guess finish or do you have to do anything
[speaker002:] for to the plywood yeah I just finish sand it just like with one fifty
[speaker001:] yeah um-hum
[speaker002:] and then you can finish it up so
[speaker001:] do you have a workshop or are you using the garage or
[speaker002:] um just the garage I wish I had a workshop but the stuff I do I I don't need a lot of room for it
[speaker001:] and your wife puts up with that
[speaker002:] uh she puts up with me buying the tools she likes wood she likes me wood working but
[speaker001:] uh-huh huh
[speaker002:] getting the equipment I want sure is taken a lot of years I started when I was about sixteen buying my own equipment
[speaker001:] um
[speaker002:] and I only need a few more things like a joiner I'd like to have and small some smaller things
[speaker001:] expensive you can get a lot of money in that kind of stuff especially the good stuff
[speaker002:] oh man everytime we yeah I just bought a a sprayer to finish my project um a high volume low pressure sprayer
[speaker001:] air uh air uh air pressure
[speaker002:] it's a high volume low pressure they're new sprayers that are coming out
[speaker001:] huh
[speaker002:] really little over spray
[speaker001:] is is is it electric or air
[speaker002:] it's air it only sprays with three PSI
[speaker001:] um
[speaker002:] but uh the cubic feet per minute of air flow is up to ninety and so that's what that's what gives you your thrust of your paint
[speaker001:] um
[speaker002:] um do you do
[speaker001:] how much how much does that cost you
[speaker002:] it was five hundred bucks
[speaker001:] is that right gee and that was just for the gun that wasn't for the compressor anything |
[speaker002:] okay um I I guess um you know I really I remember what school was like when I grew up and uh you know back then I believe I really do believe people had more respect for teachers back then
[speaker001:] well that's what I was thinking the discipline just isn't there anymore like it used to be
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker001:] and they've lost the teachers have lost control
[speaker002:] yeah I agree and I don't know I you know I think some of that stems with the parents but
[speaker001:] well I think so too
[speaker002:] I I think some of it also stems from just society in general because teachers aren't looked looked upon as uh you know like with as much respect as they use the to be
[speaker001:] that's right
[speaker002:] because back then you know if you were a teacher people used to think oh you know that you know that's great and nowadays if you're a teacher it's like oh you had nothing else that you could come up with to do so you decided to go into teaching
[speaker001:] yeah well they didn't used to sue the teachers like they're doing now and that's why why the teachers are in so much trouble
[speaker002:] you know it's like yeah that too that's true that's true
[speaker001:] that's really too bad that the teachers don't have have control over the students like they used to
[speaker002:] yeah that's true yeah my wife's a teacher but she teaches preschool
[speaker001:] and see the um parents used to back up the teachers too they would sit they would tell the kids now you do what your teacher says
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum that's right
[speaker001:] and the teacher would let them know if they weren't doing the right thing and the parents would be right there on the kids but
[speaker002:] that's right and it seems to me like now it's just the opposite in in a in a lot of cases you know the
[speaker001:] that's right that's right parents are behind their kids now and they believe the things that they say about the teachers so
[speaker002:] right um-hum yeah I
[speaker001:] I don't know how they would correct it
[speaker002:] yeah yeah and I also don't believe that you know uh you know physical punishment is is really the answer either uh
[speaker001:] no I don't believe that either
[speaker002:] uh because you know a lot of kids you know they get that at home you know they don't need it at school either they need some other way of
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] of discipline that's you know it's going to uh more or less snap you know snap the child around and and get them you know just just earn some respect
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] you know anybody can beat up on anybody else
[speaker001:] well they should just for the discipline at school they should just uh take away some of their things that they enjoy the most
[speaker002:] yeah yeah I guess it really would I mean doesn't matter what age the the child is you know anywhere from preschool to you know teenagers you know you take away what they what they want and enjoy then they're going to pay attention to you
[speaker001:] right right
[speaker002:] that's true
[speaker001:] I have a sister that's a first grade teacher she teaches first grade
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker001:] and she just she thoroughly enjoys the kids she really likes them
[speaker002:] yes yes yeah
[speaker001:] and I'm gonna I'm going back to school I'm gonna start back in January get my teaching certificate I'm gonna teach high school
[speaker002:] ooh you're brave
[speaker001:] I'm gonna be a home economics teacher
[speaker002:] ah you know I I think maybe it might not be too bad of an idea you you I don't know if you've seen the movie where the the principal cracks down on the kids and he says okay let me know who all the trouble makers are and they're out of here and I'm wondering how practical that is to apply to you know to all the schools it's
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] I mean I wonder if that would work or not or what kind of alternative they could provide for these you know troubled kids and trouble makers that type of thing
[speaker001:] well you know the main there's a big really another big problem and that's the drop out problem now all the kids are dropping out and I think it's because the parents don't tell them they can't
[speaker002:] um-hum yeah that's right
[speaker001:] parents don't don't um you know the kids say well I don't want to do that anymore and then the parents say well okay whatever you think and that's what that wasn't that way when I was a kid
[speaker002:] yeah that's true
[speaker001:] uh and we'd say why do we have to do that and the parent would say because I told you so and you do what I say see they found they've
[speaker002:] right right
[speaker001:] they've uh lost whoever's supposed to take charge here
[speaker002:] yeah it it's getting to the point where you know where well you know it's kind of with both parents having to work it's really hard to uh
[speaker001:] that has a lot to do with it too uh-huh they can't watch over their kids anymore like they used to
[speaker002:] uh to have the strength yeah yeah and then when mom and dad do give notice at home then you know they're too tired from working all day long they just assume let them do whatever they want and
[speaker001:] neat yeah
[speaker002:] don't bother me I'm tired
[speaker001:] uh-huh yeah it's really too bad
[speaker002:] and that doesn't help either that's true
[speaker001:] because it depends on what they do in school as how they're going to do their future things in life
[speaker002:] yeah that's true especially I think at the younger ages uh elementary you know I I think maybe you know I hate to say you know one teacher teaching a certain grade is is higher priority than another teacher but you know so much of of what they experience in their early years
[speaker001:] oh that's right they need the basics too in the education they need that reading and writing
[speaker002:] sets a pattern um-hum um |
[speaker002:] well I um I haven't really lived in a lot of big cities I mean I'm living in Dallas now Plano is outside of Dallas but um so I don't really have a lot of experience with air pollution
[speaker001:] huh-uh
[speaker002:] but I know when I lived down in Houston on the outskirts of Houston there were some towns like Pasadena that had oil refineries
[speaker001:] huh-uh
[speaker002:] and um if you would drive by there like on your way to the beach or something
[speaker001:] huh-uh
[speaker002:] there would just be dumping this huge amounts of smoke into the air and it always smelled really bad we know that that was
[speaker001:] huh-uh
[speaker002:] really really really bad for the atmosphere what have you got up there
[speaker001:] well I I live out in the country so that part is good uh we're maybe one hundred miles from Pittsburgh which has a lot of pollution from their plants
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and right now in our area were fighting against a toxic waste incinerator
[speaker002:] oh no
[speaker001:] and uh it won't be too far from where we live and everybody really has been you know fighting against it because we just we do not want it well we don't want one any place
[speaker002:] sure
[speaker001:] we would like the uh industry to do more to take care of the uh waste products before they turn to incineration because we feel that uh the small percentage that they're going to be putting into the air is too much you know the uh
[speaker002:] yeah and it's just I mean it's just so bad that there is just so much going into the air and and the little bit you say that there putting in here and there and everywhere it all adds up
[speaker001:] huh-uh huh-uh
[speaker002:] and plus all the problems in uh the Middle East with all that smoke and
[speaker001:] oh that has to be terrible over there
[speaker002:] yeah so it's just um why are we doing this to ourselves I just don't know but um I you know what really amazes me about like that Pasadena area and the oil refineries
[speaker001:] huh-uh huh-uh
[speaker002:] is that there would be houses and people living just really close to it I mean between the freeway and the oil refinery you would see a neighborhood and
[speaker001:] yeah huh-uh
[speaker002:] you just thought well it's obvious that there's a lot going up in the air there and what comes up must come down
[speaker001:] yeah yeah breathing it we're breathing it all the time
[speaker002:] and we yes and and how if they have all of those um toxicity I mean it there's signs around saying how dangerous it is and then here you are living close to next to it just doesn't make too much sense
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum no and I figure we're paying to take care of this toxic waste no matter who does it So
[speaker002:] huh-uh
[speaker001:] and they have shown some of the industries have been real good at uh uh doing their part in uh reducing the amount that they have
[speaker002:] huh-uh
[speaker001:] uh they've reused some of it uh it can be recycled a lot of their things
[speaker002:] huh-uh
[speaker001:] and that they've shown that it uh to begin with apparently it does cost more
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] but once they get started it's really it saves them money in the end and it cuts down on the end product that has to be dealt with some other way
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and if they would all that's what that's what we want done is we want industry to take you know more responsibility in taking care of it
[speaker002:] well um individual companies and things are so selfish and their desires to save a few dollars and and that they don't care about the environmental impact that they make
[speaker001:] huh-uh huh-uh they're greedy it's money is what is it's it's the money
[speaker002:] uh-huh yes
[speaker001:] they're making fantastic amounts on these things and uh even the incinerator the money and the income that they're going to make off this is you know just astronomical
[speaker002:] um-hum well have you ever visited um like Los Angeles or any place that's ever it's kind of known that it has uh pollution in it's air
[speaker001:] we've never been we went as far as as uh like Las Vegas and Yellow Stone Park we did go we should have gone the whole way over but we didn't
[speaker002:] um-hum uh-huh
[speaker001:] but I understand that we have an aunt that lives out there and when she was visiting here she would look up at the stars and she said how wonderful it was to be able to look into the sky and see some of the things that she saw
[speaker002:] well it's uh-huh um-hum
[speaker001:] she said they couldn't see those things out there
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] because of the smog and everything
[speaker002:] that's so awful well what about in New York I guess you've gone that way maybe
[speaker001:] no never been in New York I don't want to go there
[speaker002:] yeah pretty funny
[speaker001:] have you been there
[speaker002:] well I've been to New York I have um relatives that direction I have it's um where are you close is it close to Phoenixville Pennsylvania
[speaker001:] oh um no I never heard of that one
[speaker002:] because I have family there and
[speaker001:] we're near Pittsburgh Clarion University
[speaker002:] oh huh-uh it's pretty neat
[speaker001:] it's it's kind of northwest part of Pennsylvania
[speaker002:] that's beautiful country up that way I know it's um very lush and pretty up in the back in the east it's really
[speaker001:] huh-uh you sound very young are you a young person
[speaker002:] well I'm thirty one
[speaker001:] thirty one you're young
[speaker002:] seems kind of old to me
[speaker001:] no you're young you have a lot of life yet and these we have some people who say well this isn't going to affect me this air pollution
[speaker002:] huh-uh
[speaker001:] uh older people or they think they're far enough away from something
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] that it's and they don't realize these things are going to affect everybody and if you're older it's not going to affect you that way you have grandchildren you have children uh nieces nephews whatever friends
[speaker002:] yes
[speaker001:] uh everybody is going to be affected by it
[speaker002:] that's really true and we all you know need to be willing to help pay a little bit like I've heard some people uh grumble about their uh cars passing their emission tests and things and
[speaker001:] huh-uh
[speaker002:] how they've had to how it's more expensive and things and I thought well it's so much better
[speaker001:] huh-uh they say it has really made a difference though
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] now see we don't have that here yet
[speaker002:] oh you don't
[speaker001:] no we don't have that testing in that down here yet
[speaker002:] hum
[speaker001:] but they I have read that that that it has really helped where the problem is greater where the population is greater
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and that it has made a difference
[speaker002:] well I really think it must I think every I mean well think about how many automobiles there are
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] and each is putting out like we have a car an older one of our cars is an older car and every time you start it from the tail pipe it makes a black spot on the cement
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] and you know that that is a sign
[speaker001:] something's coming out yeah
[speaker002:] yeah and that's all cars are doing that and it's really polluting the air
[speaker001:] yeah yeah if you have to put a price on it which is more valuable life or paying a little more
[speaker002:] huh-uh and it's also it's causing of lot of the real terrible suffering like cancer and things
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] we sure wouldn't want
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] so much more people suffering from that
[speaker001:] yeah and like I said I think you have to pay for it no matter what you do you with it because it's industry we're paying industry to make the products and we're helping pay for there making these end products that are toxic waste then we have to pay for them to pay somebody to carry it away someplace
[speaker002:] huh-uh huh-uh
[speaker001:] then they put it in the dump some place and they find out well this dump doesn't work so we have to clean this up and move it someplace else We end up paying for it again now we're going to end up paying for it again by having it burned in these large incinerators and we're paying to have our air polluted and our water streams polluted
[speaker002:] huh-uh pretty sad
[speaker001:] or the where they want to put the one area they want to put the incinerator is right in the middle of the Clarion the two water sheds that feed Clarion river
[speaker002:] oh no
[speaker001:] and you know it just boggles our mind that they can consider even putting it there because
[speaker002:] huh-uh
[speaker001:] if that water gets contaminated it will go on down to Pittsburgh it will you know it affects so many people
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and it's just hard to think that they could allow them to do things like this
[speaker002:] no no it's scary it's scary
[speaker001:] huh-uh it really is
[speaker002:] it's really awful well I've really enjoyed the conversation it's helped me to think more about some issues that I need to be thinking more about
[speaker001:] it is really a concern
[speaker002:] huh-uh
[speaker001:] its a
[speaker002:] and it's instead of waiting until it directly affects me like you say it's important to be involved ahead of time well you have a good day
[speaker001:] huh-uh um-hum well you too
[speaker002:] thank you
[speaker001:] huh-uh bye
[speaker002:] bye-bye |
[speaker001:] hello Ann
[speaker002:] hello Chuck
[speaker001:] um the other day I attended a conference here at Utah State University on recycling
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and uh I was kind of interested to hear because they had some people from the EPA and lots of different places
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and uh they had basically decided that there is going to be a real problem here within a few years on solid waste
[speaker002:] um I didn't think that was a new revelation
[speaker001:] well it's not too new
[speaker002:] right so what what is is the EPA recommending now
[speaker001:] oh they really didn't propose any solutions actually they were the guy was pretty negative about the things that the government was doing even though he was from the EPA
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] but he had a lot of uh facts to to give and things like how many solid waste plants were being shut down and and uh uh one of the most interesting things that he was talking about was recycling of of news print and he was talking about um the City of New York and how they went and collected all this news print
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] and they could sell it for a while they were able to sell it for some amount per ton and now at this stage of the game where they have gotten into recycling they've collected so much news print that they have to pay to have it hauled away
[speaker002:] why that's a that's a common problem now that seems that has happened in Dallas as well as New York and I try to recycle all of the newspapers that come to my house and after a while I just quit taking the newspaper because I couldn't recycle it anymore which isn't good for business on the other end either I suppose
[speaker001:] yeah we're doing some here in in Cash Valley the community here there's uh
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] we've actually got a kind of a nice set up we've got a couple of plants here that actually take uh recycled paper and shred it and spray it with chemical treatment so that it's not a fire hazard and make it into insulation
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] and they can actually use as much recycled paper as the community can get to them because they're actually buying it and shipping it in from outside
[speaker002:] well that's good
[speaker001:] so one of the real keys it sounds like to getting recycling for uh paper or something like that to go is to get some sort of business to actually want it once you've collected it
[speaker002:] right there has to be a a reuse for it I mean that's why they recycle the one I think is the most interesting is with the recycled bottles and all that uh the industry seems to be doing with the recycled polymers uh everything from uh waste baskets to carpet to the no stick I mean the sticky slide rugs under the carpet and uh
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] I think they're even putting it in the roadways these days and they're making clothes now that are recycled like the recycled plastic Coke bottles and and milk cartons and things like that
[speaker001:] and there's a paper presented at this conference from a guy from Alabama and he was kind of hired to do a study by two departments for the government one was like environmental protection and the other one was oh I can't remember what but the basic idea it was presented to him was how can we maximize the amount of energy that we can get back from recycling and minimize the volume of stuff we are putting into our landfill
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and uh the solution that he came up with for plastics and it was really quite amazing because he says well the best thing to do with plastics is to burn them
[speaker002:] oh really
[speaker001:] he came to the conclusion plastics is actually one of the biggest problems in landfills cause it's it's low weight but it's high volume so it takes up a lot of space
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] and there's almost no energy there's very little energy value in actually doing a lot of the recycling but there's a lot of energy in it if you can burn it and use it to produce electricity so his solution was to burn plastic collect it and burn it
[speaker002:] huh well it's carbon so that makes sense like a carbon fuel of some sort but what
[speaker001:] yeah and it's more than even paper or something like that there's more energy in it per pound or whatever
[speaker002:] what about emissions
[speaker001:] well that was he didn't deal with that he just said burn it he didn't talk about cleaning it up or anything like that so it's not very practical is it
[speaker002:] oh okay no well that's interesting I bet that was a good day at the uh conference then
[speaker001:] yeah well real interesting
[speaker002:] did it change anything for you
[speaker001:] um not too much I'm uh I got a bit actually |
[speaker001:] all right uh you have uh pets I understand a couple of them what are they
[speaker002:] I I well I have uh these well I don't know if they consider themselves animals anymore they actually you know sort of take over the place and and we're kind of their pets
[speaker001:] pets get like that don't they they think they own you
[speaker002:] they don't they really they own the place and naturally these are cats so
[speaker001:] okay these are cats I remember one time uh I used to get a chuckle out of out of Pogo that dates me quite a bit you probably don't know Pogo
[speaker002:] oh Pogo sure
[speaker001:] yeah he when Beauregard was talking he was the dog remember and he used to say pets can be most as much trouble as kids
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] as kids if they work at it a little bit may and even more when they work at it a little bit and I think that's true actually
[speaker002:] I agree I don't know I I I think that um my husband and I are in such a situation that uh um I'm kind of um not able to do a lot I'm I'm kind of in a wheelchair and I mean I kind of am but um
[speaker001:] oh uh-huh
[speaker002:] yeah I've got these two cats that hang around with me all day and I don't what I'd do without them
[speaker001:] they just good company huh that's neat
[speaker002:] it is and
[speaker001:] you know it's funny how pets get to be so they really you you really do mourn them after when things happen now we don't actually have a pet right now
[speaker002:] the okay
[speaker001:] but uh but we have had some and and I can't it's it's always hard for me to believe how close I've gotten to them we had a little uh um oh dog it was a little uh I got it so it wouldn't wouldn't shed one of French poodle a little French poodle
[speaker002:] oh my oh really
[speaker001:] yeah and uh he used to I used to come down stairs in the morning to feed him you know and I'd let him up out of the basement where he was sleeping and he would just dance around the floor and I just got and we only had him about three or four weeks before he was hit by a car but I cannot believe the whole family just
[speaker002:] oh oh
[speaker001:] he just got in to to us so quickly I could not believe it
[speaker002:] that yeah that's
[speaker001:] I I have to tell you about our most interesting pet though
[speaker002:] okay
[speaker001:] uh we had an iguana living with us for about uh oh about two years
[speaker002:] oh by choice
[speaker001:] two and a half years I guess it was about uh oh three feet long about three feet long it was a beautiful animal name was Clyde
[speaker002:] Clyde the Iguana
[speaker001:] Clyde the Iguana and uh my son Dan went to uh to uh Hawaii for the summer and when he came home uh he didn't bring the iguana with him but for some reason or other he had a thing for them I don't know whether he'd I think there was one in the school uh zoology department you know
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] or biology department one or the other anyway uh and anyway he just he went and found this guy in in Dallas somewhere who had picked up one in I guess in Texas in Mexico I don't know where but anyway he brought this home and I looked at him and I said you've got to be kidding I'm not going to live with a lizard but you know I visualize that animal racing about and you know like you think of lizards doing but they don't do that they're very much like uh well the thing about them is that they hold so still you don't notice that they're there and then they move and about scares you to death sometimes
[speaker002:] did you have him in a cage
[speaker001:] no he had full run of the house he just loved to sit on the back of my dryer where the hair the heat came up out of the dryer you know it was he was really a neat pet and though I
[speaker002:] oh no oh no oh no uh-huh
[speaker001:] you know he'd ride when we'd have family home evening and everybody would sit in the living room and the fire would be burning he'd walk across my feet sometimes and it it was a long time before I could really pet him and
[speaker002:] oh
[speaker001:] but I fed him and he he knew how to get me to feed him he'd come out to the kitchen just kind of look at me till I went and got him something out of the refrigerator
[speaker002:] uh oh no I mean you don't argue with an iguana do you
[speaker001:] but he was really a neat animal he he'd lay in Dan's lap you know and just uh when he'd pet him he'd just stretch and you know you could see him just enjoying it like a cat does
[speaker002:] oh no
[speaker001:] it was kind of interesting but he did a lot of interesting things and uh Dan carried him around and he liked to ride on the back of his up on his head you know with his tail wrapped around his arm so he wouldn't fall off and and scare everybody to death and
[speaker002:] oh my goodness goodness
[speaker001:] kids loved him kids just loved him kids just came from all over to come and see Clyde and visit with him and and he tolerated them you know he'd even tolerate him petting though he didn't like them too well at first but he he got tame you know so that uh people could go in there and Dan was a drummer
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and he didn't he the only thing he didn't like very well was the drumming when Dan would drum he'd sit there and scrunch up you know like he was trying to hi protect himself and then he'd leave the room
[speaker002:] was the drumming and cover his ears isn't that funny the way we put you know um human characteristics on an animal like that and and
[speaker001:] oh yeah they really are they're interesting well they take on human characteristics like
[speaker002:] as a it's I guess they do
[speaker001:] uh our other animal the next year our our son Ken went to Hawaii and well while Dan was in Hawaii Ken decided he wanted a dog and he and he looked around a long while and he found a Norwegian elkhound
[speaker002:] oh
[speaker001:] and he just brought this Norwegian elkhound and home and he was so funny uh for a while they built a a run for him out to the side of the house you know he'd been on the patio but they put the run out there and he didn't like this run because there were no people that came by and sometimes he would just make a racket until you came and got him and one night we'd forgotten to put water out for him and and Hal and I were in bed and all of a sudden there was all this noise out to the side the house and and he'd pick up his dish and throw it in the air
[speaker002:] huh he used a classic illusion
[speaker001:] and then bark and march around you know and then he'd pick up his dish again and throw it in the air until we came out and gave him some water
[speaker002:] oh I forgot to ask you did the iguana catch flies for you
[speaker001:] did what
[speaker002:] did the iguana catch flies for you
[speaker001:] no he didn't eat flies no they eat uh they greens uh we fed him the outside leaves of lettuce you know I'd get lettuce at the store and he'd eat the outside leaves
[speaker002:] he didn't eat flies oh oh
[speaker001:] and then in the summertime you could put him out and he'd eat outside oh except you had to keep him away from the garden because he liked to eat the little peas as fast as they came up you know
[speaker002:] yeah I bet
[speaker001:] it was really it was really a glamor and of things that were fresh sprigs you know he liked that
[speaker002:] well can we ask you whatever happened to Clyde
[speaker001:] but well yeah when uh when Dan went to college up at Ricksun Idaho he took him with him
[speaker002:] oh
[speaker001:] and uh everybody was used to him and they just loved him and what not and this his roommate put him out one day and Dan didn't know it and it got dark and he didn't get him in again and they searched and searched and searched for him but uh
[speaker002:] oh
[speaker001:] uh it got too cold up there and he he died in a tree that they found him the next day in a tree he was dead
[speaker002:] oh my
[speaker001:] so you can't you have to be pretty tender with them we had a he had his own heat lamp and uh and uh hot pad he laid on you know that was another funny thing he had a hot pad and it it burned up one time and boy it was that was funny too watching him kind of burned up but anyway and we got him a new one he had a blue one before and when we got him a new one it was brown and he wouldn't lay on it till we changed the covers
[speaker002:] oh really
[speaker001:] no he wouldn't lay on it
[speaker002:] because that was like what he was used to
[speaker001:] but so they really are they really pick up things he was he was a clean animal uh we had he went to the bathroom in the bathroom
[speaker002:] how did he do that
[speaker001:] put well we put some papers on the floor underneath the john and he went there to go to the bathroom
[speaker002:] okay
[speaker001:] you had to be sure you left the doors open you know he didn't like to go anywhere else he'd he'd scratch and do all kinds of things to get you to open the door if you happened to close it on him or something you know but
[speaker002:] oh no
[speaker001:] but even when he went when he had an accident or something uh if you just let it dry it dries kind of like uh especially when he was inside and eating just lettuce it dried up a little bit like ashes and you could just vacuum it up
[speaker002:] oh my goodness
[speaker001:] in the winter time there was no smell at all no odor at all to it in the summertime when he was outside and eating outside the smell was a little bit like a cat you know
[speaker002:] oh yeah
[speaker001:] but uh
[speaker002:] but that that's incredible it's a different little things to
[speaker001:] yeah he's a he was a really interesting animal
[speaker002:] oh that's
[speaker001:] I I just uh we just really and you know to this day I still miss him and that's been years ago
[speaker002:] well see I guess it's because you lived with you know him an and overcame some fears to get used to him and
[speaker001:] yeah he was just yeah yeah I think I guess so but it it it was interesting well
[speaker002:] yeah definitely
[speaker001:] what do your cats do besides sitting and purring and letting you pet them
[speaker002:] oh my goodness these guys they well actually they're my husband's pets
[speaker001:] yeah oh and you just kind of took them over huh
[speaker002:] well well actually it's like he's the cat person you know and I have I was always kind of nondescript in that category because I always liked dogs
[speaker001:] um-hum uh-huh
[speaker002:] and they've kind of taken over and and uh you know they
[speaker001:] a little bit easier to have cats in this kind of country though isn't it uh
[speaker002:] maybe it is I they're so independent well I'm glad we have two of them otherwise I think they get neurotic if there just one of them
[speaker001:] well I think yeah that could be could be
[speaker002:] they get real crazy but there brother brother and sister from the same litter they look totally different they are they well they are Siamese cats but one is
[speaker001:] oh pretty ones
[speaker002:] one is uh um they're both registered you know one's a seal point she's the little girl and then uh Newhart Newhart is the uh the
[speaker001:] Newhart
[speaker002:] the he is something he's like a dog he really he just flops for you he just wants his belly scratched and that's it you know
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and he's just the warmest thing in the wintertime he just sits on your lap sits on your lap but they're like seven years
[speaker001:] yeah |
[speaker002:] uh no this elderly care of the elderly I am looking at this right now with my father and it is a tough decision to make
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] that uh
[speaker001:] does he he live at home now and
[speaker002:] yes he's and he's living at home more or less alone my sister spends an awful low of time with with him which is a burden on her
[speaker001:] um-hum yeah
[speaker002:] and his health is so bad that we don't feel right about you know just letting him do what he wants to do and of course he feels like he is capable of taking care of himself and we know better
[speaker001:] no I know my uh my mother uh my grandmother is still alive and uh feisty old old lady she's uh she's really pretty good but she really just can't get around any more and she does have significant significant health problems
[speaker002:] uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker001:] and my mom is looking after after her and it it's a big drain on my mom I can tell when I get calls from her she she sounds worn out
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] uh and uh it's tough on on my grandmother because she's use to just going to the store and getting what she wants and baking up things for her friends but now she's no longer where she grew up her friends have all passed on or in another city she can't just run right out and get things so a lot of these thing
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] fall on my mom go to the store get me this I want to go do that uh I've changed my mind phone calls in the middle of the night because she's lonesome yeah
[speaker002:] oh yeah Yeah
[speaker001:] yeah and uh you know I I can see from a distance I'm not right there on top of it maybe I am a little more objective but I would think that they would try like to try and find her some place that first of all she could be happy
[speaker002:] well that's that will be a problem because I have looked and they all really amount to the same thing uh
[speaker001:] yeah yeah
[speaker002:] I have looked for all both ends of the scale really from your kind of State run things to the very private elite type and really it boil down to I think to one thing you're putting somebody in there and more or less waiting for them to die
[speaker001:] um
[speaker002:] and it's uh it's sad but that's the way we've been brought up to look at it and I hate it but there comes a time when when this is what what happens especially with the way medicine is today It's keeping us alive longer and
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and we're living longer so therefore you know
[speaker001:] you almost like to have some place that's almost hospice care but a little bit more independent than that almost almost like a community that has partly something like condominiums
[speaker002:] right yeah it's kind of our
[speaker001:] where those people that are mobile can still retain their their independence but maybe have somebody come by and check on them once or twice a day bring them the groceries or come by and chat or whatever and then a hospice for those who no longer quite so mobile
[speaker002:] right uh-huh
[speaker001:] the problem with everything else in health care is is the cost
[speaker002:] the cost is just unreal
[speaker001:] uh I mean that's that's almost why some of the you know the the experimental cooperatives you hear about where people sort of throw in all their money together and and do that sort of thing but it's it's you you start getting commercialization of it and the cost just skyrockets
[speaker002:] right well that's
[speaker001:] so they want to really make a a method of it I wish that we could find some place for for my grandmother she would be happier
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] uh and my mother wouldn't have to drop everything and and really she's lost a great deal of control of her life to the point where her own health is deteriorating
[speaker002:] right right
[speaker001:] and and that the stress is just enormous I I feel for you you're you're one step closer than I am to it and it must be it must be really draining on you
[speaker002:] well it is especially since he lives in Mississippi I live in Texas and then my sister lives in Louisiana This this you know it makes in fact I just got back from having to go stay with him because she needed to get away
[speaker001:] oh um-hum yeah
[speaker002:] and it's uh but uh I don't know what other solution there is eventually we're going to have to put him in a home some place
[speaker001:] oh it it right now though he's independent enough to to take care of day to day or or have
[speaker002:] well more or less but he is almost to the point that he's legally blind so that is really what bothers us uh he could start a fire uh just about anything could happen
[speaker001:] oh oh yeah oh yeah yeah I can I can appreciate that and there's there use to be programs in some of the more progressive communities of of house mates
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] somebody that comes and lives there and for room and board takes care of people but
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] you need you need a contact service in the community I'd I'd even be happy just uh trying to find a a day program that my grandmother would be willing to accept that she could go and spend the day meeting some right now she tries to hold up in her apartment and the only people she
[speaker002:] right |
[speaker001:] I was I might have had it sitting there somewhere
[speaker002:] no I well can you hold up let me I've got a portable phone here let me just turn it on real quick I can go over to where I think I might have it
[speaker001:] okay okay
[speaker002:] okay let's see here I just
[speaker001:] it's it's it's supposed to be on the instruction sheet but
[speaker002:] yeah oh yeah here we go
[speaker001:] I didn't see one on mine
[speaker002:] let's see just a second oh it doesn't
[speaker001:] hm
[speaker002:] um gee if I was at work I could give you a number I tell you what
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] call this number in the in uh uh during the day nine nine five zero three two seven
[speaker001:] okay zero three two seven okay
[speaker002:] and and uh person who answers there'll be able to help you
[speaker001:] okay
[speaker002:] my wife happens to be a secretary in the in in the group that does this
[speaker001:] oh okay okay that'll work okay let me hit one now
[speaker002:] okay
[speaker001:] okay uh in my community they are doing a lot as as as far as recycling goes uh Waco's a pretty small city and so a lot of the city people I guess they want they take they take care of the community more than I would think that a big city does or they can because they're smaller and so they're doing all kinds of recycling projects and the school kids are doing all kinds of things and I'm a I'm a news reporter and so I
[speaker002:] yeah yeah
[speaker001:] report on a lot of the recycling things that they do and just last week they opened up a new recycling center uh so now they have two uh in an adjoining community uh Hewett
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] they are doing uh curbside recycling which is something a lot of cities are starting to look into but for some cities it's very expensive
[speaker002:] oh yeah yeah Plano just uh just started a program where they uh they gave everybody these big plastic garbage cans
[speaker001:] so uh-huh
[speaker002:] and uh what they're doing is on Thursday they pick up the regular garbage and these plastic garbage cans but on Mondays uh if you leave they have these special huge paper bags
[speaker001:] right um-hum right
[speaker002:] and if you put your clippings in that they'll pick that up on Mondays and
[speaker001:] um-hum yeah that's a form of the curbside yeah
[speaker002:] yeah right and then as I understand it they're uh they're planning to um start giving everybody containers to put aluminum and glass in to to recycle that as well so
[speaker001:] um um-hum I know even uh Wal-Mart Department Store I don't if they do it there they have the recycling bin right outside the store
[speaker002:] right oh wow
[speaker001:] and it's got glass aluminum plastic and
[speaker002:] yeah I know all the the grocery stores here have a a bins when you walk in if you want to recycle your paper bags or plastic bags
[speaker001:] uh-huh right the plastic bags
[speaker002:] so uh I think it's great uh um I know the kids uh at school are being indoctrinated into the whole idea I know my daughter came home the other night
[speaker001:] um-hum uh-huh yeah
[speaker002:] and um she was all excited because they gave her an eight hundred number to call to find out where your local recycling center was and she called it and turns out the the nearest one's in Garland which is about I don't know forty five minutes to an hour from here but
[speaker001:] wow do you recycle yourself at home do you
[speaker002:] yeah we um in fact I've got a car full of newspapers that we're trying to
[speaker001:] um-hum uh-huh
[speaker002:] the uh here's a sort of I guess a a setback uh there were a couple of places that used to collect newspapers just around here and we went to all of them yesterday and none of them had bins for for the papers so
[speaker001:] um-hum hm
[speaker002:] I don't know if they just discontinued it or
[speaker001:] it's kind of rough doing the newspaper I understand because the they can't recycle the uh I guess it's the sale papers that have the color on them
[speaker002:] oh yeah
[speaker001:] and so it's kind of hard for them to I guess uh separate all that
[speaker002:] yeah I know we don't sort that out um
[speaker001:] um-hum yeah I don't think anybody would you know I don't think they can put the colored paper on there or something so that should be pretty difficult
[speaker002:] yeah and oh yeah
[speaker001:] I don't recycle myself I live I'm single and so I guess if I had a family I'd probably be more aware than now that I am single but uh
[speaker002:] yeah right right I I you probably uh eat uh fast food type stuff and uh on the go
[speaker001:] yeah yeah especially on my job I'm hardly ever home so you know my
[speaker002:] yeah well when I was single I was a reporter too I so I uh I can identify with you um uh I know that a lot of times that you're working double shifts and odd hours and
[speaker001:] uh-huh yeah yeah um-hum yeah
[speaker002:] you just eat when you have something to eat
[speaker001:] you just go in and you don't know when you're coming out
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] so but uh let's see what else are they doing
[speaker002:] so
[speaker001:] uh jeez I'm all out of recycling
[speaker002:] I know uh the Boy Scouts collect newspapers here and uh and uh in in fact the there's a the kids at the end of the block come by every once in a while when they want extra money
[speaker001:] um-hum uh-huh
[speaker002:] they they come by uh collecting aluminum cans because we have places that you can go where you can the city the city has places where you can just dump the aluminum cans but uh
[speaker001:] hm right my mother before all this recycling stuff started I guess well not before it all started but she would collect the cans and you go like in front of the supermarkets or whatever and you put the cans in this bin thing and it spits out money yeah that's
[speaker002:] yeah yeah yeah well that's where that's where these kids take their aluminum cans
[speaker001:] yeah yeah that that freaked me out when we first did that I thought okay
[speaker002:] yeah you you don't get rich on those right right huh
[speaker001:] we got like eight cents or something yeah exactly uh so at work we do recycle we have a little recycling bin for our cans and bottles and uh those go out
[speaker002:] yeah the where where I work they just started a paper drive and in fact everybody has two trash cans
[speaker001:] uh-huh hm
[speaker002:] uh one is for your normal crap trash and one is just for paper and they uh they had a big campaign for it and there's a list of things that you're allowed to put in the paper bin
[speaker001:] uh-huh um-hum
[speaker002:] and uh you know and but they they're pretty good about it it doesn't you know you can have the staples in them and the paper clips on them and the plastic windows
[speaker001:] wow
[speaker002:] they take care of all of that but they don't want certain types of paper uh they don't want anything you know they don't want you know like transparencies overheads you know they don't want any of that in there
[speaker001:] wow right uh-huh just regular paper and
[speaker002:] right they don't want the garbage from your from your lunch in there um and uh and there's uh even little um uh this uh board
[speaker001:] hm right um-hum
[speaker002:] outside the cafeteria that that shows uh has a it's a picture of a tree with a with a squirrel going up and it's like a a a gauge and the higher the squirrel goes up the more trees you've saved
[speaker001:] um-hum oh
[speaker002:] and it shows you how many thousands of trees uh have been saved because of the recycling program at work
[speaker001:] so like so that gives you kind of an incentive
[speaker002:] right right
[speaker001:] well that's great if you know that like a lot of things you pick up today almost everything says recyclable or this is made from recyclables or something it's it's amazing it really is it's amazing to me how fast I I'm sure recycling's been going on forever and it's just
[speaker002:] right right right yeah yeah
[speaker001:] I guess everyone is picking it up now you know but it's just amazing to me how much it's come in the last year since last Earth Day you know everything's I mean recycle recycle everywhere you go
[speaker002:] right oh yeah right well I know when I was a kid uh which was quite a while ago um we used to collect newspapers and take them to the there was a uh I don't know what it was a plant that it was a paper plant I guess it was that was fairly close to where I lived in Richmond Virginia and um
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] you could you bring your papers in to sell them there I remember doing that when I was a kid and uh
[speaker001:] hm I remember my mother used to take the Coke bottles in and you get like ten ten cents or something like that
[speaker002:] oh yeah sure yeah right that's right
[speaker001:] yeah I guess that was a form of but now it's just like perpetrated into the crowd into the you know society it's like if you don't recycle you feel you feel almost uh
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] I don't know like you're doing something wrong or you feel guilty almost so hm
[speaker002:] that's right yeah well that's good I mean we're such a we're such a um throwaway society
[speaker001:] yeah wasteful um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] it's uh it's nice because you know uh if you talk to people who grew up during the depression
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] nothing was wasted I mean everything and nowadays it's like you know nobody darns their socks I mean if you see a hole in it you throw it away by a new pair of socks you know kind of thing and uh I
[speaker001:] yeah yeah throw it away that's it yeah we're spoiled very spoiled
[speaker002:] yeah I you know I guess I believe the propaganda if you want to call it that that uh um you know we're uh we're we we have limited resources and uh we really should think about uh conserving them instead of wasting them
[speaker001:] right I know I'm doing the story big story I'm covering now is of about our landfill here
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and uh what was it I think twenty four million tons of garbage that we throw away
[speaker002:] wow
[speaker001:] everywhere everywhere America could be recycled
[speaker002:] yeah wow
[speaker001:] like twenty four million to and I think that accounts for uh I think one quarter or half of the landfill space
[speaker002:] wow
[speaker001:] so I mean I just learn all these little
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] uh propaganda things
[speaker002:] you can't always I mean it'd be nice if you could if the landfill space was reusable but it isn't it all it it isn't always I know sometimes it is
[speaker001:] oh yeah yeah not at all
[speaker002:] I know there's place called Mount Trashmore Trashmore which is a a park that they built on top of a landfill
[speaker001:] hm um-hum hm
[speaker002:] and I can't remember where it is I think it's in Washington DC or thereabouts
[speaker001:] Mount Trashmore I haven't heard of that one
[speaker002:] yeah but uh
[speaker001:] yeah that's like the big stink around here this landfill thing they're wanting to expand it and a lot of the community the people that live around the area don't want it expanded because you know they say it'll uh
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] uh poison their water and you know poison the air and there's an elementary school right across the street and all kinds of stuff so it's a pretty pretty big issue
[speaker002:] yeah well yeah I I guess uh you know the scary the the scary part is that you don't know what the effects are you know fifty years from now
[speaker001:] um-hum exactly
[speaker002:] you know it's easy to say well we'll build a concrete hole and and nothing'll happen and then they'll say well the only way to test that is over a long period of time so
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum right right that's what a lot of people are saying that it may not hurt now but they're looking in the long run you know and they're saying well forty years from now we'll
[speaker002:] right right and there's and there's no way to measure that I mean you you know you the only way is to take the chance and see what happens forty years from now and who knows what kind of havoc you've created
[speaker001:] yeah um-hum hm yeah people don't want to wait
[speaker002:] uh by the no nope |