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This is episode 4 of the new paradigm intimacy podcast brought to you by Victoria read Bard somatic sexologist and founder of The Institute of new paradigm intimacy. I'm your host Lauren Renee. I lead alongside Victoria in The Institute and I am a sexual empowerment coach and I am deeply passionate about sharing the messages of new paradigm leaders that are absolutely making epic changes all around the world in their own unique way. And today our guest is Gemelli. So Gemma is doing amazing work around helping women confidently reconnect with their bodies and find their unique flow all month long. She's an expert woman's cycle Health educator and she guides and supports women one-on-one through coaching intimate events Retreats her well woman podcast and the well, An academy self-paced course for women craving to awaken their body and reconnect with their menstrual cycles. She has over 13 years experience as an ayurvedic coach and in ancestral health and her training allows her to bring her work to life around the areas that she's passionate about which is menstrual cycles and women's health. So I know that this is a topic that is so dear to my heart because getting back in touch with my menstrual cycle. It's such a huge part of my Awakening and I know that Victoria has been journeying this as well recently coming off contraceptive and reconnecting to her body in this way. And I truly believe that having the education around this for both men and women to able to be able to really get in touch with how we can be more connected to the Natural flow of life in ourselves and in our relationships and how we operate day-to-day just Holds so much power. So in this chat we talk about the tubu that is around periods and how powerful periods really are and the different phases of the menstrual cycle and how women can reconnect to this part of themselves so they can operate from a place of thriving rather than surviving. So welcome jemi to the new paradigm intimacy podcast. I am feeling just really excited about this chat because it's personally a topic that is something that is very close to me and my journey we are going to be diving into all things period and menstrual cycle. So on this podcast, we are so much about breaking down. Subaru so that we can step into this new paradigm and actually be able to thrive in our lives and understanding the menstrual cycle and what periods actually are is just such a big piece and not just women to understand that men as well because we're also deeply affected by this. So we're going to jump straight into this chat and Gemma I would love to know the juicy question. When was your last self-pleasure practice? And what did that look like for you? Thank you so much Lauren. I'm very excited to be on the show great question. I've actually just returned from traveling through India and Sri Lanka alone for just just under six weeks and my last self-pleasure practice. I just finished my last cycle or the start of My First Son of my current cycle. So it was probably about three or four days before I left to come home just after after Christmas between the Christmas and New Year's. Area of the year and being alone for that time of the year and it being quite festive. I was feeling quite lonely and for me, I'm really big about physical affection. I'm very affectionate with my family and my friends. So for me, I self-pleasure practice was really it started off with just what we call an Abbey onion massage in our Aveda, which is a self not self-pleasure massage, but it's an oil massage that covers your whole body and I was in need of some touch. That's also what a lot of women crave in there in Autumn stage of their menstrual cycle anyway, and that's where I was in my cycle. And so yeah, it was um, it wasn't really planned. It just felt natural and it flowed that way and it was just me all by myself. No toys no pleasure items. Just my body beautiful. I love that. I'm a big fan of absolutely covering myself in oil. Myself pleasure practices. It's so nice and just going in for the soft massages. That's probably my point that I always go back to and I love that you mentioned where you're at in your cycle during that time. Where are you at today? I'm curious. So today is day four for me. Hmm. So day 4 of my cycle. I landed in from Sri Lanka on Saturday and my period arrived when I landed home. It actually happened the same. It happens a lot with my trips as soon As I get home or as soon as I get to a place where I'm on holiday, it's like my body's like all right. Now we're ready to shed and let go. Yes. I'm on day 4 of my soccer today. They will today will be my last day of bleeding. So I mean my in a winter which is my more reflective and inward like introverted stage of my cycle. Yeah, that's where I'm at beautiful. I love this because it's so nice to even just have a conversation like this to be able to awareness to this topic and yeah, like same thing for me, like I recently it's amazing how our bodies just adapt to when we feel safe and and all of these kind of external things because I recently had a period that was seven days late and I was getting frustrated with and I was like, why is this late and as soon as yeah, I got to this new place I was moving to and I was relaxed and went for a swim in the ocean then it just came and so when we have this level of self-awareness, it's Like yeah, we can we can surrender to what needs to flow through our bodies and there's so many different reasons why period or Administration can be delayed or early and what you were saying that you love had like you love that we're talking about this and the way that I'm like I brought in the seasons, but it's just part of my life. You know. I came home from Sri Lanka to participate in a five-day yoga intensive, which I do every year I've been doing this is my sixth year and I'm yoga practitioners are really dry. It's like the one I feel it's one of the best ways to kick off a new year and the start of a new I guess exploration of my practice through yoga and a guy said was that was with you yesterday morning day 3 of my cycle. Normally I wouldn't go to a national under yoga practice on day three, but I just know when to rest in each posture if I need to to help with keeping the blood flowing rather than stagnating the blood flow and after the class he turns to me. Me and he says like oh bit tired from your trip. I saw you resting I said, nope just on my period I said, yeah it's day three for me. So I'm just taking it easy and he's like, okay because he knows the work that I do. So I just openly talk about it and I'd love everyone to do that. Hmm. Absolutely. Yeah, I do that now two men too, and it's interesting to see the response because it's important for us to open up these conversations. I think us as women actually being comfortable with that is what helps the rest of the world start. Comfortable with it. Would you agree? Yes, totally. It's something I'm the oldest of four. So I'm from a family of six. My parents are still together and all of my siblings are partners and let me go for family dinner, you know, if I'm in my in a winter my sister, I've got two brothers and a sister my sister can generally tell she's done my program. You know, I made her do all of the things that I teach so she knows about it for her body and she's like, are you and your winter and I'm like, yeah, I'm menstruating. And we're at the dinner table out in public and my brothers are like, why do I you talking about this but now, you know a couple of years on there like totally used to it and I think that wouldn't no matter how you bring it into a conversation. It's going to be new for some people around you and the more you bring it into your day-to-day life the more that they'll be able to accept that part of you and it's been a real interesting Journey for me in the sense of dating because I'm a single woman. I'm meeting people are in Spain interesting like hey, what do you do for work? And it's just hey, I might as well tell them straight up with this is what I do and that I talked about it a lot and it's just my life and it's interesting how different men because I'm like a heterosexual. So therefore had different men relate to that and some like throws them right off and others lean into it and I'm like, oh my God tell me more I guess is really fascinating. So it's a very interesting Journey. Hmm. Absolutely, and I feel like with you being so immersed in this space you'd have this level of awareness like where this like stigma where the taboo is. Like, what do you feel are the biggest like misconceptions or stories that people have around the menstrual cycle and periods right. Now that is like affecting it in, you know keeping women quiet around this topic. That's a really great question. I feel that one of the biggest taboos. All the misconception is probably the better word to use here is that periods of painful and that your menstrual cycle is painful. I think it's it's really just been adapted that it's okay for us to have Peru pain and it's okay for us to have mood swings and it's okay for me to have excruciating headaches and back pain and you know my period to be heavy this seven days consistently for those seven days. I spoke to her. Girl yesterday who's joining who was inquiring about joining me on retreat in India, and she's got injured meet Rufus and I asked to look share with me what your signs are. I call them cycle science, not PMs and so she was going through the signs and she was like look and I just, you know, I only prude every two or three days and I just thought that was normal. So I never mentioned it to anyone and then you know, I would skip my period on the pill and I just thought that was normal so I never told anyone but now for five years down the track. She's like I see that it wasn't normal and what people think is normal is a misconception around the menstrual cycle. I really feel learn that are not enough women understand that if something feels uncomfortable in your body or something that you would complain to a friend or a partner or a family member about like I've got such a bad headache today or you know, I'm really I'm feeling really constipated. I don't want to drink alcohol today. If it's something that you're going to complain about or something that that is annoying you and it's in the Forefront of your mind. It's not normal. Our bodies aren't designed to feel this way. And if it is feeling this way the way that I work through ancestral health is I like to describe it as your body is knocking on your front door saying knock knock knock we have this thing going on here. Are you listening? Like I'm trying to show you you listening and if you don't listen, I just get potentially stronger pain or bigger Challenge and then it ends up. Maybe blowing out of proportion when we could have looked at that a little bit earlier on and being like ahh. Okay. I've been getting headaches at this time of my cycle every cycle. What does this mean for me? Mmm Yeah, and I feel that in itself like normalizing the pain normalizing these symptoms to make us feel like that's just what we have to put up with like this is such a symptom of the old conditioning that we're shifting away from to and I would love to Like open up this topic around the pill because even that in itself, like we've just shifted into this new decade and it's so much about like the feminine rising up and this there's like this Paradox with the pill and I journeyed through this because when I was you know, 15 years old, I had, you know some breakouts and it was starting to be sexually active. So I was straight on the pill and I stayed on it for just over ten years and it was like But those 10 years it was like that was what I thought was empowerment like yeah, I can control my body. I can choose like I can go on holidays and I can just skip my period and not bleed and all of this stuff was like made us like made us believe that we are empowered through putting that into our bodies and now there's this movement of women actually being like no, I don't want to do that and there's so much more power in me being connected to my cycle like and for me when I came Off the pill after those 10 years and got my body back into balance. So across about you know, three to six months. That was when I felt the most magic drop into my life and the most like yeah this this drop in of feminine empowerment that I had not experienced before came in for me. So I'd love for you to just speak to that like even from your own personal journey and what you've witnessed like how women navigating all this conditioning around contraceptive. And shedding that away. Like how do we really deal with this process? And what kind of comes up in that? Such a great question again. It's like five star questions. So I'll start with my journey and how I guess I became a menstrual cycle educator is I started menstruating. I was a late bloomer you could call it. I was like 15 and 1/2. So my friends had already started shaving it legs and already got their periods and I was really tomboy, you know, I never got education for my mom about love her, but I just never got Location I didn't even know how to use a pad or a tampon and I remember the first cycle that I had after my actual first cycle. So my second period ever I had a swimming Carnival and I was a swimmer and you know, I had to like figure out from Dolly mag how to use a tampon and put a tampon in and I just took one out of my mom's draw and you know, that was the start of my menstruation and me getting to know my body. Was really just figuring it out myself and that's not good education for a young girl. So for me, I about a year later. I started seeing a guy through my school and my mom wanted me to go on the pill so it wasn't my choice but it was a supportive Choice like a parents like we don't want you to fall pregnant. It could an inverter bracket ruin your life. Not that that's what happens when you have children, but, you know a parent doesn't want you know a child. Have a baby early. So I understand the love and support from my mom. You know, that's so I went to the doctor. I got the pill and I never really thought about it. I just took it now interestingly reflecting on this now is I never had. Challenges at the time. I didn't have super bad acne. Like I was Adolescent and my hormones were shifting and changing because I just got my period and that happens for the first few years of menstruation. So as your body and your endocrine system pattern into this new phase of your Life events training regularly and so I decided General acne as a black as a teenager. I had a little bit of extra weight because my Easter dream is rising in my body, but I never really had super painful periods. I got them regularly, but I still went on the pill and so talking about the pill there's different reasons why women go on the pill and so mine was purely for contraception and I ended up staying on the pill for 12 years throughout that period that time of being On the pill I probably only skipped my period maybe four times. I was really like I didn't like skipping my period I felt really bad. Like I was holding on to shit in the sense of like not going to do a poo when your body needs to do a poo you're holding on to it. I always had this inner knowing I guess that I just I didn't like me seeing it. So I stayed on the pill for all that period of time I did experience some sis on my ovaries which were quite debilitating and I was on antibiotics and I used to get colds and flus a lot and then it wasn't until I was at a health conference. I was working in health industry already. I've been working as a coach for probably about two or three years at this time. I've been working in nutrition for probably about eight years at this time and I was at a health conference in America and one of the speaker's was talking about like detoxification and the toxins in our body and they shared that the average baby is born with 286 chemicals and toxins in its body. I've tested from its umbilical cord before it's taken its first breath and I was like, oh my God, like I just healed leaky gut something I didn't mention but I like he got so I I was living a very clean life and I was like the last step for me in cleaning my body up was stopping the pill like ending my journey with the pill and it was that moment at that conference. I was like, that's it as soon as I came home. I finished the end of the pack that I had and I just stopped. Kind of you could say went cold turkey and I didn't get a period for 9 months had a bit of spotting around the 7th month Mark and my body just went into haywire and that's when I started to realize. As already a health educator and working in the nutrition space that wow, as a female. I really don't know that much about my body. I was relying on the pill and I got a period but I didn't realize that it actually wasn't a period so when you are on the pill you'll bleed is not a menstruation believe it's a non oscillatory bleed. So you're actually not ovulating so for 12 years, I wasn't ovulating. So no wonder when I came off the pill I wasn't ovulating and then I wasn't getting a period so I had to really reconnect that whole process that your body goes through as a At Wayne or teen in starting to menstruate for the first time that initial connection where your glands in your brain and communicating with ovaries and you know, the thyroid and all these other like organs or you can say glands in the endocrine system. I had to reconnect all of those. It was like a broken spider web app to be reconnected and that set me off on the Journey of looking after my own health. I got diagnosed with PCOS. And yeah that was in 2014 and all of the clients. I was working with really we're just presenting themselves to me with a lot of challenges around their menstrual cycle all their endocrine system. And that's when I just started to I guess lead down the track of becoming a menstrual cycle educator and you know studying other things around that and here I am today. So I hope that answers a part of your question about the pill. I guess. That's my journey and that's how Got here, but before I share anything about specifically the pill, is there anything you want to say or ask about what I just shared. I just thought for a long time that was just coming through for me is like so much of it like so much of the process of discovering this information and like realizing that all these years like we weren't even having a real period and like that whole process. It's like this Reclamation of power like even for Me it was like that in itself was so big and I remember going to the doctor and being like I want to come off the pill and that'd be like will know you don't and trying to like still disempower me like you don't need to be often. It's like well, this is my choice. And so even energetically that whole process in itself like this is what the truth the truth is and this is what my truth is and this is what my body wants and needs like that's so big in itself. And I know that that's so challenging for so many women. It is and it's scary to like the lady that I spoke to yesterday with endometriosis. You know, she was very just feeling quite feared because you know, her doctor said you need to have surgery you need to do this you need to do this and she was like, but she's feeling torn do I do what the doctor says but a part of her and this is why she reached out to me is it she intuitively feels there something else she can do but because He's felt fear and I'm not saying that doctors put fear into people on purpose or that's like part of their you know, what they do, but that's just the feeling that she felt so she was feeling really confused and feared but we need to understand and I really believe for everyone listening to this is I for those three ways we can care for a health we can do what the doctor says we can do what we intuitively feel is best for ourselves or we know what to do and the third option is we can do a mixture of both. I don't believe you can't do a doctor say and that's Western or Eastern doctors. But I do believe that eastern and western medicine does have a place with your own self care and your own self health. So it's about really understanding okay for you as a beautiful woman. Where are you at in your health and this applies to men too? But where are you at in your health? Okay, what's frustrating and confusing you? Okay, what are all of your options? You know, you wouldn't just by a house off the like the first house that you saw you saw that was for sale. You would look at your options and you look at different suburbs and you'd look at different types of houses. You look duplexes and apartments and actual big houses and you would actually do your shopping. So to speak with your health. We can sometimes feel a bit feared and just pick the closest thing or the thing that we get maybe not pressured into but we feel it's the only thing we can do and If you feel lost or confused with that, you need to just take a step back. You need to take a few long deep breaths remove yourself from the environment get outside and nature connect with yourself and ask your body. Like what does my body really want me to do right now? And listen, that's sometimes can feel really confronting me saying that for someone who's never done that before because they're like well, how do I do that? How do I know what my body's saying it takes time? And that's why I believe working with a coach can be really beneficial because a coach can see stuff in you that you can't get seen yourself. Hmm, and that's just because of cloudiness. So in Arrow beta which is one of the things that I practice which is traditional Indian medicine, Is that we have either clarity or cloudiness to clear or cloudy and when our body is cloudy and that can be through toxins in food through the things that we drink through what we put on our body through the Cloudy toxic nurse in our mind all of this creates cloudiness the more we clear this up over time and it won't happen in two weeks. It takes a bit of time. But once we clear this up your intuition heightens and you're in Self knowing about your own health strengthens, and that's when you go. Oh, yeah. Well, you know what? I do need to have that extra glass of water today or no. I'm not really feeling cold to have cold foods today. I bodies asking for this. I don't you know what I'm I don't really feel like going to the gym today. I'm just going to rest I'm going to just do something. I wouldn't normally do and that's your inner knowing hmm. Yeah, and I feel this is so big. Like in all areas of the new paradigm is like how can we receive information outside of ourselves and then feel that in our bodies and take what we need from it and Trust ourselves as to what comes through from that? Yep, you're spot on and that's why I like with the pill or any contraception whether it's like the marina or an IUD or it is the pill. For women we can be really confused. But if I'm not on contraception then I will fall pregnant. Mmm, but what if you understood your body in such a beautiful way that you could do your own self planning and they actually call it Family Planning where you know, when you ovulate therefore, you know, when you're going to menstruate and you can track your cycle and know when you can have safe sex practices with with intercourse and the methods that you can go about to ensure that if you don't want to conceive how to not do that. Hmm. But it comes down to for me like in my story when I was just saying before I just felt this is the time. I just knew I just knew this is the time. I didn't go to the doctor. I just stopped taking it. Hmm is that your body will tell you when the right decision is and so when I'm working with women and and even if they're interested in working with me as a client and they're like, oh, I don't know they're thinking about it. They're not feeling it and I always say that I'm look it's this, isn't it? In part of an ancestral, I guess theory about the theory of can expansion and contraction is if something feels expansive if it feels really bright and a luminous and just you're leaning into it. I like to use the example of like when you go on a date and it's a first date when you're on this date with that person better them elephant doesn't matter your you're either leaning into it and being like yes, this feels good. I don't like this person we have Good connection, you know like my animal instincts are on fire. My senses are like booming that's expansiveness contracted ness's when you're like, oh my God, how do I get my friend? Call me right now so I can get out of this situation as constructiveness. And in our health. It's exactly the same. We weren't comes to making decisions. We are just so cloudy because we're so consumed in our minds that we don't truly understand. Okay. What is it that my body really? It's right now and your body will lean into I think this is I'm going to come off the pill and I work with clients who are on contraception and I always had look at the time. You know, when the time is right for you, you'll just know and they all know but I don't tell them what to do. They know because I've you know, I've guided them into listening to their body in a healthy way that they've not been able to do before so contraceptions the same so if you're listening to this and you're thinking I need to come of contraception, but I'm Leon sure when or how to do it is that trust your body and listen to her she will guide you and most importantly ask for support because it gets it can get a little bit crazy and confusing. So don't be shy and allow yourself to be vulnerable and reach out for help and say Hey, I want to come off the pill but I'm not sure how to do this. And that's why I created the academy that I run. Mmm amazing. I loved that description of expansion and contraction. I think that's so perfect. Because once we can tune into that we can make such empowered decisions and I love like one of my mantras for this year is like if it's not a full full body. Fuck. Yes. It's a no, like if you can filled out in your body like wait until you can lean in and feel that full expansion around your decisions because that's when we take empowered choices in our life. Yes, and I could talk about this topic like the expansion contraction theory for a long time because it's something that I In bed our entire body expands and contracts boobs expand and contract throughout our cycle out over. He's expanding contracts are other cycle. That's why we think we're bloated when we menstruating but did you know that your uterus actually just nearly doubles in size our pupils expanding attract our lungs expand and contract bodyweight expands and contracts in the 24-hour cycle and our life is expensive and contracted the moon expands and contracts. Full moon New Moon the oceans and the tides expand and contract the weather expands and contracts daylight expands and contracts like everything expands and contracts. And so when you understand that that's when you can understand the expansion and contraction of energy and you could look at it as feminine and masculine energy is that we are all feminine and masculine but at some stage your femininity might be expensive and your masculinity might be a little bit more contracted and then Roll will flip and your masculinity will be expensive and your feminine will be contracted when you need and pull on those different energies at different times. So it's okay to know that one day you might want to you know, drink smoothies and go to yoga and the next day you might want to just lay down and rest and have a nice bowl of soup. That's okay. If you're listening to your body. Mmm, and this is totally the new way. We cannot be the same every single day. Like I remember one thing that really blew my mind is like men like we like women we're on this menstrual cycle, but men are on a daily cycle like their Lines of the same up and down every day. I was like what but yeah, but women have been caught too kind of function that way too but it's not realistic for us. It's totally not and that's such a great point. I'll just I'll make a note on that because it's something that I share a lot of is that men run on a 24-hour cycle so and males hormones at 8 a.m. In the morning 12 noon and 6:00 p.m. At night is the same every day. Now as they age once I get to maybe 40 45, of course, it's going to be a slight adjustment and they might change. Ang but it's going to still be the same every day women's bodies run on a 28-day cycle. Now a lot of people get caught up on the 28 days because their Cycles 30 days long or it's 26 days long, it's just whatever your length of your cycle is for you is perfect but we just use 28 as an example because it's the same length of as a lunar cycle. So we'll just say 28 days just for the story sake but that means that Your hormones as a woman today listening to this just think of how you felt today. Think about the food that you've been craving today how your body's wanted to move today your energy levels, but your digestive systems being like today in the sense of have you got a little bit of bloating. Have you been to the toilet having not been to the toilet how you are today is only going to happen another 12 times in the next 364 days. another 12 times and this is why doing the same thing every single day doesn't work. Mmm and that's why I work with so many women Lauren who have a fear of not exercising because I'll get a fat ass or they'll you know, they won't get to reach their AB goal or whatever. It might be but you need to understand that your hormones are shifting and changing every single day as you move through your menstrual cycle and therefore different phases of your cycle in this four of them. Will guide you into wanting and craving different types of food in each phase and then different types of movement in each phase a different lifestyle in each page or feel different emotions in each phase and when you feel a certain thing, it's actually happening for a reason. So when women go through what they call the PMS mood swings, that's actually not I don't feel a mood swing. It's just you're not understanding the hormonal. Shifts that are going on in your body therefore you get cranky you might even get angry and you might snap at someone because of a particular thing, but if you realized a new that your body's actually just craving more physical affection and more time in nature and you did those things at that time of your cycle. Maybe you wouldn't have the mood swings. Sorry powerful. And what comes up through that is like giving all this information like receiving all of this. How do we take this and like create our life around that like, what is the what is this way of living look like when we're in tune with our cycle and how what like, what do you think the ship's need to be in the way that we're doing things now in order to allow this to really like Bring the magic through that is following your cycle. Mmm. That's a really great question. So I'll answer the first one in the sense of what does it look like when you're living I call it living in tune with your cycle. It's kind of like when you're looking for a radio station. You need to tune it right like to get to the right point. So when you're living in tune with your cycle you I like to say you let your body be your guide. in the sense, you need to be really driving your own car, you know when you're driving down the road. So I use a lot of analogies in 2019 because I help you know, when you're driving down the road and you just like you're in the right hand lane and Australia which is the fast lane but there's a slow person the lane and he like I wish I could just jump into their car and drive their car for them and get them out of this lanes that I can overtake. You can't drive other people's cars. You can't drive other people's bodies other people can't drive your body only you can drive your body. But how committed are you to trust in that your what Your Body wants is what you can give your body and I'll use the example of like Christmas. We've just gone through the Christmas phase is going to a party. Are you? Okay not drinking alcohol. Are you okay, maybe not eating a particular spread of the meal that they have there because it's not what your body is really asking for it might stagnate your blood flow. And therefore you might have more spotting and then brown spotting next cycle. So understanding and living in tune with your cycle is really just waking up every day and going how does my body feel today honoring how it feels and doing that in each moment around your choices around how you move how you eat or what you eat and also your lifestyle factors like do I really want to go for a two-hour hike today is my body really feeling up to that and if it's not filling up that honoring it and for those who are listening who are in a relationship. Romantic relationship be either with same-sex or heterosexual doesn't matter. It's really important to communicate this when you communicate what where you are in your cycle it empowers your relationship tenfold. And it's funny because in the program that the academy that I teach which is like a weekly and monthly thing. I have a guide specifically for your romantic partner. It's called the flow with me guide and so that they can see how they can support you at any day in your cycle and that helps one you feel confident when you the people around you are supporting you because that's a really important thing if you feel unsupported and most likely not going to do it and just fall into peer pressure so living In tune with your cycle is ultimately just trusting your body and listening to her and when you're starting to get your thought understand your cycling through brand new at this it all starts with learning to track your cycle. And please don't just use an app apps of fantastic, but we're so disconnected when we use our devices today. So getting to know your cycle is a connection practice. So we need to disconnect from technology. And this is why I have a printable tracker. It's free and has videos that covid the teach you how to use the tracker but using a written tracker to start and I recommend do minimum three Cycles will teach you how different you feel at different times of your cycle? And then you can compare the different Cycles together. So it's like the starting point and if you've been using an app and you like I track my cycle, but you've never written it out. Give it a go like everyone who does the written tracker by the end of the second month. They're like, oh my God, I never realized how important it was to you. The written track off. I've been tracking on an app for years. So when it comes to living in tune, it starts with tracking your cycle and listening to your body. Like that's the most important thing and it is possible and then the next thing you met you asked Lauren was around. Hang on have I forgotten it was around. Yeah, how do we how do we break down the way things are now like okay. Yeah when we can know all of this, but Society hasn't met. How do we do it? What up with this? How do we create a normality around living in June without cycle? Awesome? I like to say it's quite simple because it is but our mind makes it really freaking complicated. So it's a really simple process it starts by how you treat your body and this is really simple on a daily basis. So if you're thinking all right, I've learnt all these great ancestral wisdom about the four seasons of our cycle and how we have in a winter in a spring and a summer in Autumn the different motions of each phase. This is what's going to be happening. I'm ovulating in this is what's going to be happening when I'm in my luteal phase and then you like crap. How do I put all of this into my Modern Life still work full-time still be a mom of two kids and still want to like go to yoga or go to the gym and enjoy myself with my friends. How do you do that? It starts by simply knowing where you are in your cycle and it is simple with food every time you eat eating in tune with your body. So just like the moon has a bright moon and a dark moon. Your food is going to look maybe bright and maybe darker different times of recycle and what I mean by that is it might be slop and really well cooked like a stew or it might be like a smoothie Bowl that's colorful and very bribing full of fruit that it is possible to have both so looking at your food and looking at your movement. So a lot of people go I need to live in this mode. Full 24 hours of this particular day because this is what day 11 says I need to be doing of my cycle. But if you're just eating in tune with your cycle moving into motorcycle, and then the third one is knowing how you feel. And is this in alignment with my cycle or is it out of alignment with my cycle? So an example of that is after you've ovulated it's I call this the void and if people are listening to this may want to know more about About the different days of your cycle. I have highlights in my Instagram bio for every day of your cycle with in-depth stuff for each day of your cycle. So you can go and watch them. It took me a whole month and many hours to put that together, but it's free. You can just go check it out and what they are my own flick to the day click on it and it will give you an exact story of what you'll be feeling on that day, which is in alignment with your cycle. So after and I talked about the void there so after you meant Nice try. Sorry after you've ovulated if you haven't conceived your body actually is letting go of an egg that it's it's an unconceived egg. So the body is going through what I feel like is a little bit of a loss and it can feel like a void. That's where you get a little bit more Snappy. You can feel a little bit more frustrated a little bit more uncomfortable. You'll be more needy. So we more needy like my friend hasn't replied to my text message and my partner didn't give me a hug this morning and he or she is like, but I did hug you You and you like but no you didn't it's because your needs are just so much higher at that particular time because of your emotional state with the hormone shift going on in your body. So if you've been if all morning, you've been really Snappy and then you sit down to have your lunch and your like how am I feeling right now? And you're like, I'm feeling really frustrated and he was like in a little huh, which happens to me right happens to everybody. I'm feeling really frustrated as I just had to right now and that ask yourself. What day of my cycle of my own and you're like, oh, Day 17, huh? That's a turtle normal day 17. Yeah Wonder I've been feeling like this. Oh, so I actually am normal and I'm not just this angry person. No, you're not. Okay great. And then you just literally your mood changed straight away your knowledge how you've been feeling and you move on. Hmm. So I just going to say it's so funny you said day 17 because that's what I'm on today and I had a really good yesterday and I'm like, yeah, I'm going into the void. Yeah, and that's it's true and depending on the length of your cycle this time of year cycle be different. So like in the academy every woman has a different length cycle. So some women. It's 26 summer 28 summer 32 and it's what's healthy for you right doesn't have to specifically be 2829 every single cycle. There's a lot of women who have conceived very naturally very healthily and they've always had a 30-day cycle. That's just how their body works. So there's no perfect cycle length. There's only what's perfect for your body in your body. So with you saying that you're on day 17, it makes sense, right? Yeah, and you'll be so surprised. I have girls in the academy group. It's all one on Facebook and they check it's like a daily check-in they come in they check in like all this happen today and this happened and then, you know yelled at my boss, and she wanted to leave work early and then I realized it was day 22 of my cycle and I totally felt normal and so it helps you. A woman feel that you're not out of control in your body. You know that feeling when you like I hate being a woman and being moody and having all these things go wrong for me and I kind of just be a man who's just straightforward does the same thing every day and it just works for them. It's really beautiful that you're a woman if you know when you are and where you are in your cycle, it'll help you so much in understanding. Ah, so this is why I wanted to do five yoga classes. Today and I had heaps more energy than what I did last week. This is why I don't want to go to my friend's party on that makes sense. And then can you honor yourself by not going to the party or can you on yourself by going just for an hour or two? Hmm, and that's that's it takes time and it's good to have support, you know in making these decisions over a period of time but I used to push myself and I'm sure you can contest to this to learn that push myself when I was bleeding to do things. I really want to do, you know? I would push myself to go to the gym and I would push myself to eat a strict particular type of meal and I do the really long work days instead of being awesome. This is Mike, you know winter and this is when I'm really reflective and I needed to take some downtime and me being on day four of my cycle today. This is exactly what I did. When I landed in Australia day one day true. I just did not think you know, I didn't even open my computer. I just spent time laying outside in the sun. Acting with myself and just really coming home. Literally. I was coming home like a physically but my body was shredding and I was coming home to the new cycle. So it was perfect timing but can you honor that? And if you can't yet don't stress don't be mad at yourself or get caught up on it. Just acknowledge us. This is maybe something I could try next time Mmm Yeah, and it's totally shifting away from that like victimhood to empowerment from survival to Driving and this is totally what we're all going through in all ways. I think that's just so powerful. I would love to really just touch and I know we've spoken for a while now and it's there's so much we can jump into but what I really love to hear from you is like can we like can we really talk about the power of our periods? Like what actually is a period and we're seeing women like getting in tune with their cycle and all of a sudden even know for me like celebrating a period and not just because we're Not pregnant, but actually like really embracing the power of it. So one thing that I really love is like regardless of all of this, you know, patriarchy and different things that have happened in society and contraceptive women are still bleeding once a month and it's so like tribal in that sense. So yeah, if you could share like what actually is going on when we have a period and why is that so powerful and how can we really start celebrating that part of ourselves as a whole? Elective awesome. That's a great question. All right, let's A lot of women don't understand it as four phases of their cycle. We understand that where there's menstruation which is a pure like the time of your period your menstrual cycle is the whole cycle. So it's the whole month. And it's not a calendar month. It's whatever the month is for you and with these four phases the true, they're important. Well, they're all important. But the two that stand out for menstruation is obligation and administration and these happen at the polar opposite stages of your cycle. So if you think of the moon's New Moon full moon, they happen at you know, Polar Opposites roughly the Fortnight apart your ovulation you menstruations the same we menstruate Cause we ovulate so if you have a challenge with your menstruation, we need to go back and look at your ovulation. So if you think of that story that I shared where I came off the pill and I wasn't menstruating it was because I wasn't ovulating so we menstruate the like the lining that would have been the home for the baby and we shredding all of that out. So when we menstruate we're not shredding out the egg, we're actually shredding out and if you use a pad or a cup ideally not a tampon or you're just a nap. It'll flow bleeder. You'll see it's kind of like it's discharge. It looks of the texture is similar to discharge in the sense that it can be like egg Whitey. They could be quite like sheath like your period your menstruation. Your menstrual blood is like that it is actual discharge, but it's blood color and that blood color can actually tell you a lot about your health and ancestrally your mental time when you're menstruating is your monthly health check. It's your monthly. Time when your body is saying here, here's a Health Report of what's going on in my body. So how you bleed your texture of your blood? How long you bleed for how you feel when you bleed did I mention the color and all of that actually is your monthly Health Report? It can give you an overview of your hormones. You can give you an overview of the past month as I've been too stressful for you. You push yourself too much. Have you been fatigued? How's your sleep cycle being all of that can actually be seen through menstrual blood surprisingly. And that's why working with a coach can be helpful. If you want to know what that means. So we menstruate because the ovulate and I menstrual time happens four different women in different lengths. So some women bleed for two or three days some bleep for five to seven its individual to the person. I believe a healthy bleed is one that's not Painful, it's okay to feel sluggish and heavy like more because you're grounded towards the Earth. But anything that's painful anything that's like tensor has tension. It's assigned to say hang on. There's something not right here and specially are bleeding time is like The Red Tent time or the bleed cave you could say and they would send the women out and they would sit in these caves and they would bleed and are bleeding time as the time of Coming Back To Nature and when we're coming home. Home to Mother Earth bleeding for her you could say is that such as women are most intuitive time of our month. So it's the time where we might have thoughts or emotions come up that we haven't been dealing with or we might have visions or might have ideas and it's just a great time to journal them out make note of them and you might play them out later in your cycle when you come into your creative phase or your your our action phase. Oh your expressive face. So your menstrual time we can take these old traditions that have been used for centuries that have been somewhat lost and forgotten about over the last few hundred years and actually bring them back into our day-to-day Life by just acknowledging that for 5 or 10 minutes whilst you're menstruating each day. And yeah, there's lots of other little things you can do, but they're kind of a little bit of an overview of the ventral time for us. Mmm, amazing. I love it and yet so powerful when we can actually take that break and listen and I love like even when I'm bleeding now, like hanging out with all the girlfriends that are bleeding and just being in that space together and allowing it to be so accepted rather than something that we resent and seeing that when we actually honor that time of the month that adds so much more value to the rest of our cycle. Hmm. It sure does it's genuine. Ali how you feel when you ovulate can be a reflection of how you treated yourself when you menstruated and if you're on day 10 of your cycle and you're not treating yourself in alignment with day 10 in roughly two weeks time, maybe 10 to 14 days time, you will maybe feel out of balance at that time of your cycle. So everything affects everything just like you can see with nature. You know, how the Sun is and the like the weather effects. Planet and so it's the same in our cycle. Yeah, that is so powerful and it's just like the power of awareness alone in that is incredible. And I power to the period And for those who currently feel like, oh my God, my Purity is death. I wish I never had to have a period ever again. I chant. I want to challenge you to learn a little bit more about your body in general and then your menstrual cycle in general and your menstrual cycle involves your entire endocrine system. Not just your ovaries and bleeding learn about that because when you get to know your body and your period along with your menstrual cycles of the whole cycle, it can be Really transformative in the sense of things in your life start to clear up you might end up having you creativity. You might realize that you're doing something that you don't enjoy or you're in a relationship. That's very challenging you all of these messages actually come through a difference times of a menstrual cycle if you're connected with your body, so it starts with tracking your cycling getting connected. Mmm. Absolutely. And before we wrap up I would love for you to mention. I know before we dropped into this chat. You said that an area really? What about that you're willing to step into his actually like changing the set like the education like stick sex education sexual health education for young women around this. And so I love you to sort of talk about like what what is that Vision look like for you and how do you see this like changing the world? Thanks for asking. I'd love to share. It's a side project for me. I've been teaching in some schools already around what I call period And you know, they talk about sex ed but there's no real period education and it's the parents along with students. I believe they should be educated separately like in separate areas or sorry separate times because as a like a 14 year old girl, I did not want my mom or my dad sitting next to me while some learning about period so we'd like we teach them separately but it's important for women as young teens and tweens to know what their body is going through and that each Normal to feel puffy and it's normal to you know gain weight along with maybe have a change in your skin health and where all these changes come from and I like to think of it as period education because it teaches girls around their whole their whole menstrual cycle. And so some of the schools that have already been teaching in with the senior students. So use 10 11 and 12. It's changed how they push themselves through exams. And then head there for how they feel at school so they can go to school with their period going. You know what I'm just going to sit on my own for lunch today or I don't want to go out and play or I'm not going to be that loud vibrant person that everyone knows that I am it's okay for me to be a little bit more introvert event and to want to just withdraw a little bit while still at school and when you're at school and school age, you know, that can be seen as all you're depressed or you're so sad all the time, but for girls when you understand and at a young age I had this is my body and this is what I'm going through and it becomes part of the conversation within the different girls at school. It's very empowering that the girls will support each other and they end up feeling so much healthier in their overall bodies because they understand their cycle better. So they feel more in control than out of control. So that's the vision. It's a project that will be torn in two schools. Ideally from roughly the a Is a seven to eight upwards because as young as seven and eight-year-olds demonstrating these days that's not the topic altogether. Yeah and teaching them how how amazing their cycle is and the ancestral Traditions that aren't woohoo. They're not which like so to speak that we used to live by and we used to celebrate girls and I'd love to put together a festival, you know, a yearly Festival where girls four of you know, started menstruating that particular year they come together and we celebrate them as Becoming of age becoming women it's something that I've got a big vision for it's just finding the right people to collaborate with to make it happen. That's beautiful. I love it all so much. It makes me so happy like that. We've been able to just make these cultural shifts in our lifetime and that we get to be leaders in this and just that that in itself like bringing that into school it translates into all of sexuality as well. It releases so much allows us, you know, Which which shows up in the rest of our lives it allows women then to film just more confident in all of who they are as well, which is like it's going to bring through so much. So thanks, I think you're welcome. I think the biggest thing too is if you have a look around if you're a woman or a male listening to this, do you know someone in your life that's been challenged with their menstrual cycle. It could be your sister. It could be a friend. You could be your partner could be you. We have such an endocrine challenge at the moment. But the number of women challenge with their endocrine systems and Demetrius is PCOS fibroids, you know missing like if at ility challenge even just that alone if we had had a correct education as teens and tweens when we started menstruating, what would that maybe look like now if we hadn't had that back then so that's the that's the purpose of bringing for the education to help a lame. Leave these challenges so that women can be more empowered. But yeah, thanks so much for having me. Yeah, and when women are empowered the world changes, it's a god. Exactly the whole field of the world like the Earth plane changes the energy shift its yeah. It's really transformative. Yeah, amazing. Well, I feel like this has been an incredible conversation and yeah just feel so grateful to be able to get your message out. So is there anything that you would like to close with? I would love to know like what's alive in your body right now, too? Look alive in my body right now. I'm feeling really inspired having just come back from being overseas, you know, finishing off some ayurvedic study and spending time on myself to come home to like really blow into this new decade in New Year. I'm feeling really alive with I guess my biggest passion this year is really getting the education into schools because I just know how much transformation can can happen in just tracking your cycle. It's such a simple thing just to track your menstrual cycle, but I'm really driven and inspired to support women in that way and it's really it's kind of like a bright light inside me and every time I talk about it, I think about it my Yoni just feels like it's shining so to speak so I am it's yeah, I don't know how I got into this work and what my what the purpose was, but I'm just yeah, I'm trusting my intuition with it and letting it shine as much as possible issue. Mmm, it's a very very potent purpose and I was definitely feeling so much magic move through my body during this conversation. So, thank you so much. We will ya we will include any extra information that you want to share in the notes in this episode as well and also linked to where people can find you online because I think you're just offering so much value to the world. So thank you so much. You're welcome. Thanks for having me.

Jema Lee is an expert women’s cycle health educator, a plant nutter and the only thing that pulls her away from the beach every morning is her devotion to helping women confidently reconnect with their bodies and find their unique flow - all month long! Jema guides and supports women one on one through coaching, intimate events, retreats, her Well Woman Podcast and the Well Woman Academy self-paced course for women craving to awaken their body and re-connect with their menstrual cycles. An ancestral health and Ayurvedic Coach with over 13 years experience in the health industry, Jema’s training in Ayurvedic Psychology, Nutrition, Women’s Health, Wellness Coaching, Emotional and Spiritual courses are some of the professional qualifications and tools bring her work to life. In this episode we talk about How Jema became a menstrual cycle educator Period taboo and contraceptive myths The impact of living in tune with your cycle How women can start their own journey's to deepen their connection to their bodies Follow Jema Lee Instagram: @wellsome_jemalee Facebook: Wellsome by Jema Lee www.wellsome.com Join the Well Woman Academy Follow Lauren Renee Instagram: @laurenreneeintimacy Facebook: Lauren Renee Intimacy Follow Victoria Redbard Instagram: @victoriaredbard Facebook: Victoria Redbard Somatic Sexologist victoriaredbard.com  Apply for the Institute of New Paradigm Intimacy February 2020 intake

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We got a little thing going around the table that we're not going to show you guys. It is episode 18. Welcome to AfterBuzz Real Housewives of Atlanta after show. I am your host Hollywood lien and I miss Conversation Piece. I'm just trying to get started Shamari. Yeah always with every episode. Hi, it's true Jones happy st. Paddy's Irish. Yeah. I like it. This is cool. What's up? Party people. I'm Erika Edwards the black person on the panel. It's Sunday. We're ready to get turnt we're going to get started. We have a lot of things to do tonight. We have a lot of tweets to talk about we have some news because this is just getting crazy. It's all seep. And we have so much to talk about Kiss Me. I'm Irish happy st. Patty's Day. Not really Irish. But yeah, let's up. Let's open up at swag Boutique. Maybe is a small issue small like in the women's sizes because you know, they have like Juniors and then they have mrs. And they had women. And it stretches all the way at all but I do think you know, because like I see I got jiggle so she does not have Jiggles but she she does seem like a taller like like when I say big boned, I really am serious like she does seem like she's a chicken. She got some employees that are supporting her. Yes on her to eat and be healthy and yeah girl, you are a small. I'm nobody and then it was ironic the size of the person that told her that I was like and this Shamari the negative side 0 comes in like she can't even say sorry. At least you came in with good intentions. She came to say, I'm sorry that I picked on you. I'm sorry that I picked in your bathroom. Nene's like it's fine the made clean it up I'm saying. You the bill maybe wants to recall what happened and we still don't see anything. We see a little bit more but not everything. I want to know why why can't we see Porsches getting abortions about getting ripped off because we still see that little clip at the end. Bravo was still letting us know like because that didn't you guys think that clip that extra clip they showed us at the top of the show was a little bit less more dramatic than we thought it was going to be. I don't know about you guys. But if there wasn't that much screaming it wasn't that chaotic, I don't know. Why can't we see the footage? I think it was more the cruel. I mean Porsche might have been a casualty of the in the middle of everything but I don't think they don't spend. Yeah, there is an interview that Kandi did in this episode where she says, you know that Nene talking about the situation. She's like, you know, Nene's pulling starts off and she almost starts to be like say something else would she goes, you know, and other things escalated and I feel like she was kind of alluding to the Porsche thing. Even portion was saying as she hit somebody but she wouldn't say she just kept saying somebody so it wasn't Portia if she kept well somebody Nene's worried about energy. She wants Ronnie at the wedding to be her date, but he's gonna be on door. I thought that was kind of cute. She is like, you know, you want to jump in there, you know, Greg is back from the hospital, but obviously like things are great and she's projecting and we've obviously our seen this play throughout the season. And you would think tonight would be the season finale but Eva didn't give us that much to give us a season finale because we still got a couple more episodes to go y'all. Yeah. So we still we still need to get into it. The one thing we need to realize is potatoes are life. Yeah, and that's what I like that Eva said. Well one thing I'm trying to figure out is why Shamar is always dateless. I feel like that is what's making her go overboard with a drinking because there's no one there to say calm down. I mean, I mean I kind of like the fact that you know what I mean, I think it's kind of realistic because given how people's contracts were and how many musicians and artists from the 90s were absolutely bankrupt. I'm sure realistically he does have to hustle to keep their money. Absolutely. I appreciate that. He's out there trying to make some money exactly has like toddlers that they spent 50k on their birthday parties for whatever that was $1,000 birthday cakes. Yeah. So let's move on potatoes are life is whatever. Because we're seeing the bridal shower and Eva's mom is there with her and her family's there and everyone's getting dolled up and even gives her mom a little personalized hanky, you know, and so it's going to start to come out. You know, there's someone talking about Eva very close. She's saying everything we're seeing on the show is a big facade, you know, she's renting out properties. She's running out places that she can't afford. She's trying to Showcase this wedding, but I don't know. Is she spending too much money? Honey, what if she doesn't get a peach next season this is something really interesting that we need to think about. Also Eva's. Dad is sick and her mom takes care of him. We're not comparing. It's just different seven years. Take care taker seven months. Just kidding. Yeah, her mom and her dad are in a different place. I think that Nene and Gregg because one I don't think he's the you know, he isn't He's not that sick as Greg right he is but he doesn't it have free speech it's different. They have different things. Yeah, but if you think that Eve is Mom and Dad her dad can't like make cohesive sentences and stuff. Like he's I mean, it's almost like having a completely different person that you're married to I feel like for her to show that patience and Grace mind you we don't get to see it 24/7 we kind of just saw a short little clip, but it's feel like her energy about her husband is a lot different and Nene who still She has her husband. Technically, you're happy. Yes, but he's still Greg. Well, why can also hurt I'm sorry. He's more calm than Greg is like he has still have a positive demeanor. He doesn't have a demeanor he why I think also they're not on the show. We have no idea. We've been watching me not correct for ten years. I don't think you can really make any comparison absolutely from a clip exactly. Like, of course, they're going to show a cute clip like why wouldn't you I totally said we're comparing is just different. I mean I said, we're not comparing it's different. I do this seven years seven minute thing just to Funny but we really can't compare. It's two different things. It's two different scenarios and ones on TV and ones on not so yeah, it's totally different but we can agree on is that sorry? I will say yeah, I have a lot of friends who take their taking care of parents with dementia and all this other stuff and they definitely have a lot of those angry moments. So, you know, I mean, so I'm sure her mom gets frustrated with her that's real like, you know the same way but as we said like her dad can't speak. You know II like the Greg has and also like we just haven't seen it. So I'm sure it's happened though. Totally. I can see the anger thing like this is something really deep and something that we don't know about and until you're in that situation you're never going to understand the emotions that people are feeling like I could never even imagine and I hope I don't ever have to get to that point. So my sympathy does go out. Let's keep it a little bit more light shimmery calls Nene because she's like what's happening? Like are we going or what? Do you want to go she's trying to seem like, you know, she doesn't really want to go but she's supposed to give this speech. So she's like I'm going to call Tanya because I might need a ride and a drinking buddy aggravated me because I understand it you're going through something. But this is Eva's big day and Eva's normally overdramatic and whatever like blase blase but this is Eve has one big day. Your wedding day is like the day you really really gets to be all about you and I understand mean he's gone. A lot but it's just like you agree to this. Yeah, she went she went but just like The Dramatics have like, oh I'm not going to because we heard it multiple draft as we have to tell you to come but you gotta think about it. If you're arguing with your husband and then you have to go into this environment. What is all about love and you got to see all this music. Are you guys hard so I kind of feel her but I also feel that you know, the show must go on and I was just gonna say that and if you don't have a feeling what are you going to do? So I'm glad she was able to like suck it up and And put on this book tell you of course, he's ready to be house. I'm so she's like I will definitely give you a ride I her time. Yeah, you know, I don't want to talk about her being so Desperado because thirsty thirsty are giving me good energy. She's thirsty and I wanted to go to a party. I mean I would not want to roll with me at this moment in time. I would probably want to roll in Tanya who is light-hearted and giving us good energy. I know she's a little thirsty. She's kind of like that little brother that keeps wanting to hang out with you and you're like go away. Jeez, honey when you're a girl. And can't come to the party. That's what Satya is. She calling her because she's like I can't make it. So can you drive girl who's not like maliciously thirsty, you know, she just wants to be liked and I you know, and everyone does at the end of the day. We all just want to be accepted and loved and plows. Do you know honey? We all need to be plowed once in a while I have with her isn't so much that you like. Everybody wants to get their bag. Bag and wants to you know, get a peach. But to me, I feel like she's so desperate. She's not authentic. So that's why I have an issue with it. It's like we're never gonna see how she is. We're just getting to see what it feels like what she's portraying. Maybe this is really hard but she seems fake right now. She's just a friend of the show. We haven't really dove into her life. Like we haven't found out her childhood story. We haven't found out her trials and tribulations yet, and I'm not sure we really want to yet like right now this I know is really the season is like, huh? So much drama right now, we're doing with meaning projecting all of her anger on all the cast mates. We're just trying to get to the fire lord Lord help us Jesus fix it and you come back, please. Right? What do we are can say is Eva's very calm throughout this whole thing. She's not being a bridezilla and she's just, you know, enjoying her day of pampering. She's had her breakdowns and I think it's because of Financial Security. Like I really think there is something to this Finance thing. I mean she did just come from America's Next Top Model and some modeling gigs. Like I don't see that really We equating to a lifestyle that the Real Housewives of Atlanta. I have like and it wasn't. Yeah just come America's top model was like 10 years ago. Exactly. He's gone. It's anything like new Top Model the entire model. They're probably getting what Eva got for winning the show, you know what I mean? Because reality TV pays really well now but back in the day, we're getting nothing but like a buck o 8 for 8 hours. So let's not get it twisted. So I really feel like there is something to this financial thing and we're going to get down. Do it. We're going to get down into the dirty. I've been trying to get Shady up in here because this is what's happening. I've been finding out all the stuff about the blogs and it's now sieben into the show. So it's really interesting. I feel like there is so many narcs out there or what do you call it? Nothing RX? That's not the right word. What do you call it? When someone is out there leaking stuff all the time right close to the family exactly so much. I just jumped out of me for a second. Okay? Well, you know everyone's getting ready and candies doing some comparing $1,000 a plate this better be some Taj Mahal stuff because I have Lions. I had a concert and it still wasn't $1,000 a plate but candy we all know you a hustler and I know you're a good barter Bargain Hunter. I know the Kandi Factory is like you will give us that I love the fact that she had Bell Biv DeVoe. If you're low on cash you should be learning those bartering skills yourself instead of spending money that you don't have and you gotta move and you got to do all this stuff. You got two kids girls. Yeah, there's a plane. I'm trying to figure out because I've been in my fair share of weddings me too, and I've been in my fair share. Like I have home girls who like married up honey, like money was not you know on the table. But yeah, I'm still trying to because like I'm thinking like my friends failing, you know couple hundred for I'm like, how do you get to how do you tell the truth? I didn't see no Lobster exactly see it short ribs and chicken breast chicken and short ribs. That's not expensive. No, that's something that's like shotgun wedding. Like I want Kobe beef sliced at the table. Like I want Lobster. I want crab legs. I want to say like, yeah. Saying that's I'm saying maybe that's the cause really no because I'm really high-end liquor and all those. It's really it was open all know. I don't even think so. It's really easy to get sponsored by a liquor company when you're doing reality. Yeah, I'm telling you. I feel like she really did have a lot of help. This is like her only story right here is the wedding. I feel like she didn't spend that much money and that's just that's right. That's right. It was a very beautiful wedding though. So I also had possibly believe I don't know why she said that that is not as a play correctly I know is not so much that Thousand dollars a plate. It's that like, why would you say that the same way she talked about the price of her shoes. It's like she to new money exactly stop it. It's like if you have money, then you don't have to constantly tell us the price of everything now, you hit it on the ground that money to believe that she might really be struggling because that's she talks about the money and the price of things calm you hit it right on the head new money. We've all seen Titanic. All right, let's move on Cynthia's throwing a little bit of shade. I don't know if you guys caught it throughout the episode even though she's defending Nene. She's definitely A also holding her account and I really feel like she's given her a little bit of shade invasion of privacy is not just an album that cardi B put out. This is the theme of Real Housewives of Atlanta. She is saying don't tell me how to act in my own house. Y'all candies like yeah, it was shady. I waited two days to text but it wasn't enough Nene had found out that Marlo had had lunch with the girls. So she's like spill the tea, you know, Marlo spilled it in a way that I was going to paint the girls a certain way. So candy and Nene. I mean Kandi and Porsha were like we need to settle this before they could Nene called candy and was like what up, boo catch me outside. Like let's talk about it. You know, she definitely wasn't happy Marlo stirred it up because that's what she does. This is her job, but this is my issue this situation because Marlo claims that she's so close to needy and they're such good friends. If you're such a good friend. Why are you putting your friend in the Relation where she feels more emotionally vulnerable. She's getting upset like if you know the situation the way you claim, you know it why are you like why are you mixing up words and why are you know painting this picture? That wasn't really happening? I don't think she knows any other way to be like she just is messy and she even when she went and got Nene and was like, no use you guys have saying come to the bathroom. Yeah, like why would you go get me in more this argument that happened? That was messy, but it was Rome like these it's not like it's not like they're you know 20-something if I would like their early thirties and like these are grown-ass women and I just like I was getting to the point with like Marlo and eating stuff where it's like I can't accept like this is just who they are. Like, I just feel like you have to hold yourself accountable and some and because you're you're like well, not Marlo but Nene your mother your grandmother at this point. Marlo said, we don't see those kids on any corner. I didn't plan my I think Nene is right. Get your thoughts on this one. I feel I guess I do feel differently because to me, I mean, I know she phrased it in whatever way but Point Blank if you talking about NeNe in front of Marlo, you should expect her to carry it back because that's her friend. And to me I see what you're saying. As far as I don't know if she said it in a way to inside her or not Insider because we didn't see a clip of it, but that's your friend and it's on TV. So if I were to at the end of the season see that you stand up there with these two people and they Something crazy about me and Porsha is kind of halfway acting like I attacked her and you didn't come back and tell me then. Yeah, look at you crazy. Yeah, it was like Nene's little pet though. You know what I mean? You know that so anything she's they say in front of Marlo. They should expect it carry him and I am hungry but Marlo before the before candy Porsche could even speak to me any Marlo preface that with again, you know, I don't I'm not good at remembering things. So I but I did hit the main points like she was like almost like you know me like, you know, girl don't you I think that was her way of being like, okay, I did it. I mean to cause any drama but this is how she didn't mean to cause it. I can't I don't have faith in my attention to detail has started and let's see some of these outfits. I mean Nene shows up wearing two colors with two personalities. We start walking down the aisle funny thing about weddings you end up thinking about yourself like you really do you're there to celebrate other people's love but you can't help but think about it. So Bravo, of course little shady asses over there just gave us a montage back and forth. Nene's wedding Eva's wedding mean he's waiting. Great shot out to the producers. I love that because I was kind of getting bored but you had some good Clips right in there to spice it up. So I'd like actually and you know what also, you know also deserves an Emmy us because we work so hard for you guys. Make sure to subscribe to one or two of our channels. Shout out in the comments. Let us know that you subscribe to me will let you guys have a little shout-out on the air because we're the ESPN of TV talk. Let's move on. I mean funny thing about what Jeans, like you really start thinking about yourself. I think the MVP we need to bring back one of our segments for today's should be Marley because that was so freaking cute. She said you accepted like my daughter and Marley goes that's me. She's so he also she is Kevin Gates twin that they're never going to be able to deny that ever call Kevin McCall. Let's say Kevin Gates. That's that's her twin like they're twins. Thank you guys. Think about the vowels. You guys cry cry Battle Cry. Yeah, I wasn't there as I didn't cry. I feel like if I was there maybe probably has monogamy is fake, but I thought it was really sweet. I just cried because I totally was like who they hire write them, but they were very very very good. I think he wrote his I think he wrote his but hers I thought his was stronger than her his was that written which is why I was like I didn't wasn't I was like, yeah, this ain't hardly write your speeches wrote that is hard to articulate your love. You just gotta love. I love you too elated you show, you know, you don't show we know I love you bitch. I know it's be taken out everyone. So make sure to slide into your DMs down in the DM. Oh, yeah. Don't expect anything now. Yeah, that's right tonight chastity belt. Well, I mean, I think the Bravo was trying to get us worked up. I know they were trying to build It up Nene's emotions. I know Marlo was like holding her and touching her like girls. Stop trying to make me cry like so messy Marlo Marlo Marlo, you smart girl because I she makes herself like important to Real Housewives producers because he gets the emotion because she knows and Nene like there's moments when you're having such a bad day that with one of your friends hugs you like you just like lose it and my little like girl. I'm a hug you till you cry. That's what messy Never give her the peach National support is just like how do you want? It's like Kandi and Porsha was saying when he kept saying support me support me. They're like fucking call me. I'm Jared drugs and I'm here for you. I'm not saying don't hug. I'm saying Marlo knew it. It's like if you it's like a someone built a card Castle on this table Marlo sitting there poke in the bottom saying, Please I don't want to talk. Let's go make me cry and you're like let's talk about it. When you hug you real quick and just say it's gonna be okay right trying to make me cry if you guys vague about situation as possible, but knowing the exact trigger words to say well bam, we're triggered and she says separating, you know, Nene's done taking it. She says I'm done taking it literally like I'm done me being the bad guy like Gregg is out there just being silent and having everybody bash me. Everybody on the Internet is just making me feel like I'm the Add one and no one is taking my side. Like I just want to be supported like literally in life online with you guys. Like I don't feel like I have anybody on my side. I know he's the one sick but jeez like there's only so much a bitch can take this is what she's saying. Basically the boys are gathering while the girls are going to the bathroom and he knows where this is going. You know, she says God Lord, shall we gotta do this at the wedding? All right montages hands on people aggressive talk drama talk. She just wants love and support. What do we think? This is what I think Greg is not looking at the internet right now. He's having cancer. So is he going sure if she didn't post some pictures with some hats talking about support me and I can support you guys and stuff like he's trying to do you think are you really scrolling Instagram like that? You might post a picture to make yourself, you know feel better or get the support or whatever, but do you think he's really looking at comments and million people bash its happening though? Are talking really bad about Mimi. They might be what is he paying? When to say well she's probably telling them look everyone is hating on me including you you're being so freaking mean to me before we continue one of the ways we keep all these shows for you free is by our amazing sponsors. And today Spotify is one of our sponsors on Spotify. You can listen to all of your favorite artists and podcasts in one place for free. You don't even need a premium account Spotify as a huge catalogue of podcasts on every topic including the one you're listening to right now on Spotify. You can follow your favorite podcast. So you don't miss an episode premium users can even download Episodes to listen to offline wherever they are and you can easily share what you're listening to with all your friends and following on Instagram. If you haven't done so already be sure to download the Spotify app and search for AfterBuzz TV on Spotify or browse podcasts in the your library tab. Also, make sure you follow us you never miss an episode of AfterBuzz TV. I don't know we got I don't want to talk about both sides here. Like what if behind closed doors someone that everyone is perceiving to be super sweet and nice and like 600. There's all this empathy is being a freaking TT behind closed doors. Let's talk about both sides. Yes, let's not just talk. I know we're going to jump on Nene eventually, but let's just talk about the other side real quickly just for a quick second. Like what if Greg is being so freaking horrible, what would you do? I would like I can't I get I'm not married. They'll have kids. I've no you know moral. I'm not relying on anyone but like my cat so whatever I can't relate to need to completely but I'm just a type like if I'm not one or if I'm not being appreciated. I walk away from a situation. I don't care for in a long relationship. I don't care if you mama if I'm having a preciate it I take a step back and I feel like that's what she should have done. Well every one of the channels that go ahead and passion TV already got hey thing, I would say. To before we bash Nene. She's you know, she's saying with the Internet or whatever, but to me, it's not just Greg. It's clear. I mean, I hate to be like this because it's the show but it's clearly The Producers. This is her story line. So to me, I feel like obviously they've added it so they could be in there and they could have shown Greg looking like a jerk if they chose to and I feel like they've chose it to go a certain way because it's gets this gets us engaged into the story. So unfortunately, it's hard on Nene. Yeah, but I think it's the nature of the beast in reality TV. I think she should get a caregiver a professional caregiver. And then that way he could be taken care of. She can have a break and they can still have the relationship. I think that will help it might be too late. There is reports of Greg moving out, but you can have to stay tight now. Marlo got one Porsche bent over a lot of ass a lot as her aunt has a size of to of Marla's heads and it was right take a nap on it afterwards the extra bag even saying adoption at heart but it's not official. Shamar is drunk as usual. I mean, it's a Party, what's the problem? Mari is alcoholic. She has one year old twins the first Here that you have kids. My sister has one. He's 10 months old, but you don't really drink your first year because you're breastfeeding and all that and if you you know drink you can't use that breast milk and blah blah blah. So I feel like she's turned like now she's kind of like I'm going to take my girl have some more than a piece of bread pregame meeting some potatoes. Clearly. She doesn't eat. She's so scary. Yeah, like she's a very very thin so obviously it's always going to be forgets to eat. She's like, That skinny kind of person that's like always like, you know, the ones we hate that I can't. All right, let's let's get into this whole Nene thing. I mean, we need a good celebration but like even said it wasn't enough for the finale. Everybody's crying everybody's apologizing but we see how this works out. You would have thought this would end. Right there, but no, we don't we have to take it further when everything re-airs rehash everything. Everyone's tweeting up a storm Nene on followed everyone. There's a huge fight at the reunions. I can't wait. There's a lot to really go off of here the toast Cynthia gave it a B plus C or D like Cynthia wanted to failure, but she was like, what did you think? I forgot that shut up. This is what I'm about to say about Cynthia. She's throwing shade and she knows Knows what mean he's going through. So why would you even because she knows Ray's gonna do what are you gonna do? She's preparing herself. That's why even though she's defending me me. She's been throwing shade too because she knows this isn't gonna end. Well, especially when you hold me accountable, it's not going to end. Well, right when I drink don't and I think if you're going to wait if you're gonna wait for life to stop happening for you to be a nice person and for you to be like good to your friends and like you're never going to be a nice person. You're never going to be good to your friends because Life happens bad things happen to good people you have to keep pushing and you she's had months. She's been asked for months to be this person who gives a toast at Ava's wedding and that's or even sweating and that's what you give like was it like horrible, but it wasn't leaning wasn't me gu she literally Googled things to say in a toaster or wedding and she just read them straight up Google but she didn't ask for this. I mean when she's not looking what I said many episodes ago with Eva sort of not really having a truly authentic attachment or relationship with Nene because Eva asked her to do it, but it was kind of weird because you've been married a long like what you know I'm saying so she gave a toast that seemed like she'd barely knew them and not saying she doesn't barely just barely know what she doesn't have the relationship that evil kind of wanted it to be and so mean Didn't fake it. She's just like all right. Well, this is a toast I would give to anybody getting married and that's okay McRae was very basic. Very basic one who calls himself like a host and like, you know comedian and blah blah blah. Yeah. She's been going through four months. She's been Takin Care of Greg. She's being having drama. I could have written a better toast for Eva who I've never talked to in my entire life and five minutes and had the entire room laughing crying whatever Nene's known. This girl's friends as she could. He's not dumb now with the fake. She did just call up a storm in the freakin bathroom with everybody is reading off a card. So she clearly Rhonda Shear. Oh she knows so that's why I didn't think it was going to be better, but then it's like when she wrote that in the car on the way, she just was not happy. . And it was coming out in the speech in her face and her body language in the bathroom. Like it's not just about the bathroom situation. I feel like it was a lot of history the bathroom situation the Greg situation how she's going to look how it's played out in and I think Eric is onto something the storyline is being painted a certain way and that doesn't mean that you're not feeling what's happening while you're getting turned on the road like she felt like, you know, this is going to not be good like this my story. Is just messed up this season. It's not good. It's dark and I'm in a dark place. So it's a dark World. Okay that do you feel like she's jealous of either know what is there to be jealous sound? I don't know. I'm just kind of alluded to the rental thing right at the beginning of the episode where she was like, yeah, my house can't hold everybody's so we rented a property. And you know, it's starting to come out that that's what she's been kind of doing. I could see her living a certain kind of lifestyle and they only film for like four months out of the year. You can rent a nice house for four months. Like I can see her really taking this and taking it to the very end but the girls aren't going to let this happen especially she Marlo exactly and I think if Nene was jealous of anyone I think in the beginning there was a little bit jealousy with tinea or whatever there was something kind of going on there was like that was a little off. Off but like Eva, I don't think so not about money just about the happiness of her relationship how she was glowing at the wedding in the way. It was going back and forth and I think so because I think that NeNe I think she was upset and reflecting on her own Carriage, but I do feel like she's well aware that you can put on a good show at a wedding and still have a messed up relationship. I mean, that's what you do when you get weddings is like you end up thinking about I wonder if I'm gonna get married when I get married, I'm gonna do this, you know what I mean? And then you're trying to get laid and Drug it out the groomsmen that way How does the same thing you get laid and drunk, I mean droom. I know we are same same page. Let's get into our tweets because we got some uh, like the little tweet sound got some things to talk about job and talking on the internet V Brown. This is you. Yes, I have some tweets. Let's see Nene is so damn extra. She gets on my damn nerves such an actress and not even a good one watching Real Housewives of Atlanta. That's from Latoya Johnson. Money magnet an accident. That's my burner account. It was you she says sometimes when I'm feeling insecure, I watched season 1 of Real Housewives of Atlanta and remind myself. I'm not ugly. I'm just broke dragged, but I'm kind of like the same thing with the whole Kylie and a Kardashian season 1. Makes me feel really good about myself exactly like you just need some money money cleans, you know, y'all never hear from me again exactly to quote Pretty Woman. It's easy to clean up when you got money. Hello. And the last one I have is from Kelly KR more 1970. Why is no one talking about NeNe thinking she could fit a small anything we did talk about a girl and no Smalls Panini like so many designers like maybe she is a small in her own store. Yeah. Like one thing and then then it's really an eight or ten different design. What about the dinosaurs store? The smallest dinosaur store is going to be a small I'm gonna say nice dinosaur, but at her store she has never seen this man. She's not a she was a dinosaur. Like describe her would be more like Amazonian kind of like she's tall. She's yeah, she's fake. She think she beautiful. Let's move on to news and Gaza. All right, so there's so much going on and will kind of just talk a talk about it. So one of the things that we did I did get an article on was that Robin Givens is thinking about coming or there, you know, the word on the street is Robin now, she would Set It Off. Robin Robin Kenya and Phaedra sent it off. That would be an amazing cast right there. That would be like an actual fight that you Robin Givens actually find things that I've heard along the way is the whole thing with Mimi unfollowing people and Is other shop so Nene, so at some point she said that she actually never followed Andy to begin with that was so shady. She's like I unfollowed everybody. Yeah, but I never even followed and E. So y'all need to quit exaggerating exactly. So that was funny. Oh and when Andy replied with a little like emoji face, like why are we still even talking about this? I know there's been one thing she did we can't show video anymore. But one thing Nene did respond to as far as the fighting with Porsha the video that we saw where she was like, she said it was actually Porsche candy Marlow and Cynthia and her in that closet. So she wasn't clear how she could have even have touched Portia and I was really confused because if it's all five of them plus the cameraman, I mean that's really congested Porsche was touched by Nene like like How He Touched by an Angel another small thing I have before we get into Other stuff is since even talked about the adoption of Marley or whatever recently. Like I want to say this week Kevin McCall had another sort of crazy rant on Instagram about his daughters one of which is Marley and he misses her and so he's still like I don't know a crackhead or whatever he's going through and I was definitely trying to paint out what's his face to me again. So that's why with you guys - that's her dad that even made me think about it. She calls me Daddy not officially in her heart. Yeah, I think he's more mentally ill than drugs. I'm like when it comes down to like the law though. The heart thing ain't gonna help it's going to be like black and white, you know, you got to adopt her or not. Oh, wait me one more thing. There's so much news. Oh my God, and then another thing was out there that Nene the Greg might be might be moving out. He didn't move about yeah, he has moved out that they are officially separated and it's and she has a boyfriend John killing me in the chat tonight. Those are hilarious. And first of all, Robin Givens, that's my Tyson's acts. Yeah, she's gonna bring her home for sure also in Chicago. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah pop culture Robin and King you would be perfect. Listen. I pray Robin Givens already crazy. Like I read a crazy little bit of Instagram news like The Real Housewives account was trying to talk about NeNe responding in an Instagram video. Right to portion all of it all the allegations and everything and so though site was re posting the video and they weren't tagging the women they were just hashtagging it, but then someone text Cynthia so she tagged her Cynthia Bailey eyewear. She like I'm going to plug me plug my where course responded. I can't breathe Cynthia Bailey eyewear. You were hysterical. You're gonna make me go into labor which makes me pose the question. When did Cynthia gotta, you know sense of humor? She got that she tried exactly. All right, let's do the vows that Eva Marcille gave to her husband because we just talked about like who's vows were better, right? So People magazine, basically, they're just saying how they wrote their own vows and they want us to hear it Michael. You're my safe place in a world. That's often disappointing really hurting on the show. Bang, what are we predict that the final episodes are going to be about and what do we predict that we're going to see at the reunions you're after but he's out for me. I think we're gonna see the Fallout between Nene and Cynthia cuz clearly something's happened that we don't know about and I think this whole thing with the person spreading these rumors is really going to break up the fake relationship that Eva and Nene have as well. hardcore And I want to see like what what made the switch like was it just from watching the episode because I feel like on Twitter and stuff. Like they really had Twitter fingers in the beginning of the totally silent. Enemy of my friend is my friend. It's just from watching the episodes and getting mad again, but I feel like something had to have happened because they really went hard at the beginning of the season on Twitter. Yeah. I definitely think the the rumors are true about Eva she'd rolls off in her Jeep. And these are dependable and jeeps are like $25,000 and okay, we need the buggy ride here Bailey something. I'm gonna predict that it's all going to come out baby's gonna get even nastier than we've ever seen here and she's going to be so nasty. And so rude and I said what I said and you guys in the chat, I really love you guys film writer Joseph Holly Scott. Thank you guys for tuning in. I love you guys. Make sure to keep up with us on our Instagram. I'm your host Hollywood Li and you in find me on all the social media platforms. Make sure to stock me. I have some stuff coming out. I promise I promise. All right. Make sure you check me out on Instagram Miss Mi SS Conversation Piece, or you can follow me on the other shows that I do love and hip-hop and R has been on fire lately. I'm aware. This is your instant value to make sure you follow me. Thank you guys. You can also catch me new show Turnt Up Charlie check me out there and you guys can fly into the DMZ. Okay, Drew Jay. 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Join us to break down Real Housewives OF Atlanta Season 11 episode 18 "The Model Bride" in which The ladies all come together to celebrate Eva and Michael's big day; the ladies are concerned with Shamari's behavior; NeNe drops a bomb about her marriage; Kandi and Porsha confront Marlo about a miscommunication that occurred after NeNe's party. Hosting tonight is Drew Jones, Lian Castillo, Miss Convo Piece, and Erika Edwards. ABOUT REAL HOUSEWIVES OF ATLANTA: Real-world dramas whirl around five privileged ladies from Atlanta in this soapy entry in the 'Real Housewives' franchise. The Southern belles include a single socialite, an aspiring country singer and the wife of a professional basketball player. The Atlanta housewives continue to live their fabulous lives in Georgia's capital city in this incarnation of the popular reality TV franchise. Relationships, a staple of the "Real Housewives" shows, take center stage as usual as the ladies' love lives experience ups and downs. The sassy women's entrepreneurial spirits are also in full bloom as they juggle their personal and professional lives, along with their busy personal calendars.

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And it frequently appears. on any list of the greatest works of fiction ever published Don Quixote is of course a very long book. So we will be reading chapter by chapter. And because it is so long. I will be setting an upload schedule which you'll be able to see you in the description. of this audio track Go ahead and my back close your eyes. and relax polarity to you chapter one which treats of the character and Pursuits of the famous gentleman, Don Quixote of La Mancha. You know Village of La Mancha the name of which I have no desire to call to mind their lived not long since one of those gentlemen that keep Alliance in the Lance rack and old buckler Bolin hack and a greyhound coursing. A nola a rather more beef than mutt salad on most nights scraps on Saturdays lentils on Fridays and a pigeon or so extra on Sundays. Made it way with 3/4 of his income. The rest of it went to the doublet to fine cloth and velvet breeches and shoes to match for the holidays while on weekdays. He made a brave figure in his best Homespun. He had in his house my housekeeper past 40 and nice under 20. And the lad for the field and Marketplace who used the saddle to hack as well as handle the bill. The age of this gentleman of ours was bordering on 50. He was of a hearty habit spare gaunt featured who very early riser and a great Sportsman. They will have it his surname was Quezada or quesada. For here, there is some difference of opinion among the authors who first wrote on the subject, although from reasonable conjectures. It seems plain that he was called gay sauna. This however has helped little importance to our tail. It will be enough not to stray a hair's breadth from the truth in the telling of it. You must know then that the above-named gentlemen whenever he was at leisure, which was mostly all year round gave himself up to reading books of chivalry. with such harder and have entity that he almost entirely neglected the pursuit of his Field Sports. And even in the management of his property and do such a bitch did his eagerness and infatuation go. But he sold many an acre of tillage land to buy books of chivalry to read and he brought home as many as he could get. But above all there were none. He like so well as those of the famous Feliciano they still has composition. for their Lucidity of style and complicated conceits, whereas pearls and his site particularly when it is reading He Came Upon courtships and guards hell's where he often found passages like The reason of the unreason with which my reason is inflicted so weakens my reason that with reason I murmur at your beauty. Or again the High Heavens that of your Divinity divinely fortify you with the Stars render you deserving of the desert your greatness deserves. Who are conceits of this sort the poor gentleman lost his wins and used to lie, awake striving to understand them and warm the meaning out of them. What Aristotle himself could not have made out or extracted had he come to life again for that special purpose? He was not at all easy about the wounds which Don oh - game and took because it seemed to him that great as order. The surgeons would cured him. He must have had his face and body covered all over with seams and scars. He commended however, the authors way of ending his book with the promise that Adventure and many a time. He was tempted to take up his pen and finish it properly as his their proposed which no doubt. He would have done and made us successful piece of work of it too had not greater and more absorbing thoughts prevented him. Really an argument did he have the Curative is Village as to who would bend better night pal Marin of England or a modest of goal? Mr. Nicholas, The Village Barber however used to say that neither of them came up to the night to fobus and if there was any that could compare with him. It was Don Galore the brother of a modest goal. Because he had a spirit that was equal to every occasion and was no Finnegan night or lachrymose like his brother. All the matter Valor he was not a whit behind him in short. He became so absorbed in his books that he spent his Nights from Sunset to Sunrise and his days from dawn to dark pouring over them. And what with little sleep and much reading his brains got so dry that he lost his wins. His fancy group full of what he used to read about in his books enchantments quarrels battles challenges wounds willings loves agonies. And all sorts of impossible nonsense and it's so possessed his mind that the whole fabric of invention and fancy you read him was true. That's a him. No way stream the world had more reality in it. He's to say the said Rudy has was a very good night. That he was not compared with the night of the burning sword who with one backstroke couldn't have two Fierce monstrous Giants. He thought more of Bernardo Del Carpio. Because the night Slow Roll It In Spite of enchantments. Availing himself of the artifice of Hercules when he strangled and taya's the son of Terah in his arms. He approved highly of the giant more Conte because although the giant breed which is always arrogant and ill-conditioned. He alone was affable and well-bred, but above all he admired Ronaldo's of Montalban. Especially when he saw him selling forth from his castle and robbing everyone he met. And went beyond the Seas. He stole that image of Muhammad who has his history says was made entirely of gold. To have about to be kicking at that traitor of a catalog he would have given his housekeeper and his niece into the bargain in short his wits being quite gone. He had upon the strangest notion that ever mad man in this world in a pond. And that was that he fancied it was right and requisite as well for this port to his honor as for the service of his country. That he should make a knight-errant of himself. Roaming the world over and full armor and on Horseback in quest of Adventures and putting in practice himself. All that he had read as being the usual practices of knights-errant writing every wrong exposing himself to Peril and danger from which in the issue. He was to reap Eternal renowned and fame already the poor man's I'm self crowned by the might of his arm. And so Let Away by the intense enjoyment he found in these Pleasant fancies. He said himself forthwith to put his scheme into execution. The first thing he did was to clean up some armor that had belonged to his great-grandfather and I've been for ages living for God in a corner eating with rust and covered with mildew. He scoured and Polished it as best he could They perceived one great defect in it. But it had no clothes helmet. Nothing, but a simple Shield. It's deficiency. However, his Ingenuity supplied freak tried to kind of have helmet to pay sport which fitted onto the shield look like a whole one. It is true that in order to see if it was strong and fit to stand a cut he drew his sword and gave it a couple of slashes the first of which undid his work and Instant even though it had taken him a week the ease with which he had knocked it to Pieces disconcerted him somewhat. And to guard against that danger he said to work again. Fixing bars of iron on the inside until he was satisfied with its strength and then not caring to try any more experiments with it. He passed it and adopted it as a helmet of the most perfect construction. He next proceeded to inspect his hack which with more Porto's than a real and more. Just in the state of Cannella. It surpassed in his eyes. but many other Heroes had four days were spent and thinking what name to give him because as he said to himself it was not right but a horse belonging to a night so famous and one with such merits of his own should be without some distinctive name. And he strove to adapt it. So as to indicate what he had been before belonging to a night Merit and what he then was It was only reasonable that his master taking a new character. He too should take a new name and that it should be distinguished and a full sounding one. Befitting the New Order and calling when he was about to follow and so after having composed struck out rejected added to unmade. Henry made a multitude of names out of his membrane and fancy. He decided upon calling him Ross and hump day. It was love thee sonorous. and significant of his condition having got a name for his horse so much to his taste. He was anxious to get one for himself. He was eight days more pondering over this point until at last he made up his mind to call himself Don Quixote recollecting. However that the Valiant ominous was not content to call himself currently a modest and nothing more. But at the name of his kingdom and Country to make it famous and called himself a modest goal. He liked a good night result had all the name of his and to style himself. Don Quixote of La Mancha, whereby he considered he described accurately his origin and Country and did honor to it and taking his surname from it. So then his armor being refurbished his helmet an actual helmet. His hat back now horse Crescent and he himself confirmed. He came to the conclusion that nothing more was needed but to look out for the lady to be in love with. for a knight-errant Without Love was like a tree without leaves or fruit or a body without a soul. as he said to himself For my sins for by my good fortune. I come across some giant hereabouts the common occurrence with knights-errant and overthrow him and one Onslaught. We're cleave him asunder to the waist. Or in short languish and subdue him. Will it not be well to have someone I may send him to as a present. but he may come in and fall on his knees before my sweet lady and in a humble submissive voice say I am the great giant Lord of a massive Island. Languished in a single combat weapon never sufficiently extolled night Don Quixote of La Mancha. He who has commanded me to present myself before your brace. Your highness dispose of me at your pleasure. Oh how our good gentlemen enjoy the delivery of this speech, especially when he had someone to call his lady. There was so The Story Goes. In a village near his own a very good-looking farm girl with whom he had been at one time in the Bell so far is known. She never knew it or gave a thought to the matter. Her name is aldonza Lorenzo. And upon her he thought fit to confer the title of Lady of his thoughts and after some search for a name, which should not be out of harmony with her own. And should suggest an indicate that of a princess. He decided upon calling her dulcinea Del. Toboso. She being of el toboso. a name to his mind Musical uncomment insignificant like all those he had already bestowed upon himself and all of the things belonging to him. Thus ends our reading of the first chapter of Don Quixote my darling. please Pepsi and creepy dreams I'll see you next time. Good night.

ASMR reading of Don Quixote, soft spoken and whisper. Don Quixote, originally titled the Ingenious Gentleman Sir Quixote of La Mancha, was written by Miguel de Cervantes in two parts between 1605 and 1615. It is considered one of the most influential works from the Spanish Golden Age and frequently appears on any list of he greatest works of fiction ever published. The story of Don Quixote follows the adventures of a noble man named Alonso Quixano who was brought up reading books about romance and chivalry. He has a bit of a mental breakdown and wants *to revive chivalry by becoming a knight-errant under the name Don Quixote. Sancho Panza is recruited as his squire and acts as the funny sidekick in the face of Don Quixote’s more errant ramblings. The primary theme, that individuals can be right while society is wrong, still exist as a poignant social commentary on idealism and chivalrous choices.

This episode is sponsored by my go to stop for makeup of all things Revlon. Hey everybody. I'm Ashley Graham. And this is pretty big deal. We're confidence is key every episode I get to pick the brains of brilliant and inspiring honest new and old friends who are a pretty big deal today. We are talking to the incredible Rosie Huntington-Whiteley Rosie is a model Beauty Enthusiast and badass business owner for But Eros ink is a widely successful online form that keeps visitors on The Cutting Edge of all things beauty. I'm good. I'm very pregnant that think so happy for you so much Carol, you're in the mommy game. Yeah hardcore Jax like to in a bit now. So what kind I feel like we're over the hump because the first year is like it is right. It just gets easier and easier and better and better. It's the best thing even the challenges the good moments and bad moments. All of it is just it's really incredible. I'm excited. I mean Everybody has kind of told me that exact same thing, but they're like you don't sleep. I mean there's exhausted like all the time. Oh geez. Okay. First of all, I'm so glad we are wearing the same color because I'm sure you've heard this and I'm sure you're flattered or may be embarrassed by but you're my style icon. I never had that you have it. Are you serious? No, well II screenshot and you are the most looks say in my saved IG folder. Seriously. Thanks Ash. I really You just have it together. You have like a sense of ease and cool girl. I don't know what it is. But it's you and it suits you and the other thing that I always talk about with my friends is that you're always like recycling something like you don't just get a bag where it once and then yeah it again like you're constantly wearing yeah, are these looks that you put together? Yeah. Do you have a stylist at does it like I want the tea, but I want to like I want to know I've Loved fashion since I can remember and that's really why I got into modeling. So I thought I'd work on the kind of Gates of behind-the-scenes part of the industry and ended up modeling which we can get to yes. Well we have to but I've worked with a stylus for red carpet for you know, the last seven or eight years and that's really when I feel like I need it because right so whole other beast but day-to-day I've always put my outfits together and and I just love it. It's like a fun creative part of my morning you put forward your best self. And I don't know. I've just always loved clothes. It's just what it is. I collect them. I'm actually really happy to hear. Here that you put your own looks together. Yeah, it's fun. Right so you'll be my stylist. Yeah. Okay, great. Yeah love that pleasure that you're one of the highest paid models in the world, and I know I know I know. No, you started really young and I want to hear from the beginning. Yeah, I started working when I was 16 when we have 15 at school. Everybody was encouraged to take a week of internship somewhere in a field of work that was interesting to them and having grown up in the countryside. I had this love for fashion ever since I can really remember my mum and I bonded over kind of buying the women's magazines and we'd sit together and go shop for my birthday. I would always ask for a subscription to to Elle Magazine and bizarre and things and so I really just kind of that was my was my passion. So when we were given this task of finding a place to to get a work experience, I got out the Yellow Pages and I just wrote to every kind of fashion brand that I had heard of at the time wrote off handwritten letters posted them. I wrote off the headquarters of Brands, you know shops. I had no idea had no contact to the fashion industry whatsoever. This is 1617 years ago. So this is even Before the internet was really kind of booming and one of the places I've written off to was a modeling agency. I came as a big one tiny tiny modeling agency. So I came home from school about a week later. And my mom said we got a phone call from this modeling agency and they want you to go up an intern and I thought oh my gosh. This is it. I'm going to be going on shoot. So I thought I would be out and the creative side of the industry and of course, you know cut to a few months later. Later, I'm up in London, like walk into this tiny little office and I realized that I was actually kind of brought up just to kind of empty the ashtray. No do faxes and be like, you know, someone that running all the errands it was such a tiny little agency humbling - yeah, it was and and of course like anybody who knows like an agency your it's an office units. So it was five or six Booker's sat around a table picking up phone calls, you know sending out faxes and I would just Out of there on the computer taking, you know, taking the phone and making Cups of Tea and pouring wine and doing all the kind of things that an intern does and office. I went back to school after we finish the week and I finished my exams and then I had the intention of going back you could leave school back then at 16 and if you wanted to go to university or college or to do the final two years. So my intention was to do the last two years of school. So 1718, which is called sixth form in the UK in the summer before I started 6-4. Um, I'd gone up to London with a friend and my uncle lived in London at the time and you know going up to London with a big deal. I was a country girl was a farm girl and so we were sort of pin London, you know walking along Oxford Street Kings Road going to the Museum's and my mom called me one day and she said you better go and poke your head into the modeling agency because darling it's not what you know, it's who you know and fashion. That's true. And that was one of the many shrew pieces of Base my mum's given me over the years and so I sort of you know, begrudgingly kick my heels. Went and poke my head in and there was a new Booker and she said, you know, I've been tasked with building out a new faces division. Can I take some Polaroids of you? There's you know, maybe something and she took some part because you came back in. Oh, wow. She took some Polaroids. She went back. She came back, you know 10 minutes later. And she said you need to grow your eyebrows back. We'll have to do something about the hair the braces. I guess they'll come off in time. Hopefully the skin of clear up, but what do you want to go out on some castings? And I thought all I want to do is go on a shoe because then I can see what job opportunities there are within the fashion industry because you didn't know photographers here make these images that you'd see in magazines and and I was always fascinated by what went on to make these images. What was the creative process of it who was on set? It was just so magical to me. And so I said, yes, I would love to went out on some castings and very quickly started to get you know. To do test shoots and then quickly from that started to get bookings and it was then a few months later. I was in New York. So I've always been really lucky with my career. I've always worked. Yes, wherever the work has been quality work, but I've been really lucky. I've always worked just as you move to New York ions. That was when I was 16, I then spent a bit of time. Just traveling. I went back to school. You know, remember my mom saying to me and I sort of had a bit of a breakdown She said your father and I will support whatever you do, but this sounds like a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity and I think you should run with it because it seems to be going pretty good. Oh, they were completely supportive of it. And so it's 17. I decided to leave school go full-time and I spend a lot of time in Paris and Europe and then went to New York for two weeks and called my mom and said I'm not coming home. I'm getting my first apartment. I love you, and she was like great go for it. Wow, and it's truly been I think the biggest gift. Parents have ever given me as the encouragement to fly and let me go. So yeah biggest thing. I think that if parents are constantly handcuffing their kids, then you're never going to know what their potential can be my mom at 17. I graduated high school and the next month. She was like you have to leave this house. Yeah. He's like it's time for you to go. I was like fine. I'm just moving to New York and she said great go do it and it was the best thing for me even though I don't know if I would let my 17 year old kid leave the house now in this is the thing now being a mom. Mom, I look back on that and I think gosh, you know every day I'm with my son. I think that's one less day. I have a viewer in my arms, you know, you really start to think of these things. That's why I always consider it being the greatest gift that they could ever give me was just to give me the encouragement support and still to this day. I know they're they're they're in the same house. I grew up in there just consistent support and normal and grounded and it's and I think it's kept me going through all the ups and downs. Yeah, because I share a similar career in yours. I mean in the beginning of catalog. Yeah catalog. I mean like those cute little checks coming through. In fact, nobody would know your name. They don't really know your face. Yeah. How long were you doing catalog until your big break and I want to know what that was. So when I started you were either considered a commercial or editorial and high-fashion Commercial modeling as you know is, you know Brands catalog. Log, it's Smiley. It's happy it's holster dancing. It's approachable and then editorial is much more creative It's Fashion least eyebrows. Yeah, it's smug. Look. Yeah, it's extreme. It's sort of fantasy fashion and luxury and so I always fitted into the commercial side and as a commercial model if you were successful you made money and actually in many cases you made more money than high fashion girl. So luckily for me even Oh, it was never creative enough for me to do catalog. You know, it's pretty standard. It can be yeah, you know how the days really good can be pretty boring at times but you know, it was like you said cute checks coming in. I was able to save I bought my first apartment when I was 19 and for me as well. I didn't really have my big break until you know years into the industry. I pounded the pavement had a lot of rejection. I was doing work that you know, I wasn't happy with and I think that it really he gave me this insight to the industry. It allowed me to kind of evolve and figure out what I wanted to do and dream and so it was then I think at about 19 that I got my big break with Victoria's Secret and I'd had a few few Great Moments When was Burberry Burberry was on my 21st birthday. Oh that was really like a coming-of-age moment. That's a big deal. You got that. First of all, I want to come back to Victoria's Secret and Burberry. Yeah, but before then what kept you moving like what? Have the Persistence of getting through catalog and and just saying I'm not doing what I want to do. Yeah, but I'm going to continue to keep moving on this trajectory Festival because I left school so young. So let me be candid. I had nothing else to fall back on right second of all I was making money and I could see that I was saving and you know, like I said, I had kind of taken a leap of faith to do this. I did not want to like go back home with my tail between my legs and I did not want to go back to school and third wheel because I really really dreamt and I could see this opportunity for myself and I just knew if I worked hard enough and I played my cards right I could get to where I wanted to be. That's and I find like creative visualization really the core of any success. I've had in my life whether it's in my personal life or career like that is at the core of everything I do is that I've allowed myself to see myself there. It always have a five-year plan. I know where I want to go. I'm ambitious. It's that's that's all. Really what it comes down to do you do a vision boards? I think I do. Well, I mood board everything in my life. My team will tell you that but I just have always seen I've seen it, you know where I want to be. It's funny because last time I was home, my mom just went where does it come from? Like I just don't understand your brother and sister aren't like this your father and I aren't like this and I think it's something I feel lucky that's always been, you know in me you had a taste of it and you couldn't go back. Yeah. Okay, so then how old were you when you got Victoria's Secret? I was 19. Okay. So Victoria's Secret. Holy crap. You booked the job. Was it everything in more when he went on set? Yes. Yes, baby shows that you walk. I walked five shows. So I work for vs for about five years. It was a dream come true. I'd had an American boyfriend for a little bit and he said we're walking down Broadway and you know the big store and on Broadway and he said that's what you want to do. That's Adriana Lima. And that's just how and I thought. Yeah, that is like that is that is amazing like that is the best of the best to be to be part of that company and so luckily I'd actually had years of doing catalog and years of doing lingerie. I was always the lingerie catalog girl cause you were curvier than a Runway and I was sure and I boobs and a bomb. I think they tested me out on one shoe and then the bookings came they were always slow with me. I was never kind of like the girl there. I was just always very very proud to work with them at that time. Yeah, and that kind of helped catapult you into high fashion. Yeah, I think there was a real shift around the age when I was about 24 Victoria's Secret had led me to Transformers which was my first film. I'd actually much she's not an actress people. She's not an actress. I remember when we first met we were sitting there front row and I was like, so oh you live in LA, is that because Of your job when you go, oh, do you think I'm an actress? I was like, yeah, I just saw you you were awesome. No, I'm not an actress. Yeah, it was an opportunity of a lifetime. I'm glad I did it but I failed that it was something I feel really lucky. I got to try my hand at but nothing I never felt a passion for it and the same way I feel passion for other things in my life. And that's a whole other story. But yeah that led me to the Receipt will be done a commercial Michael Bay cast me then in Transformers. And then with that came this whole, you know repositioning of me within within my work and also at that time the industry took a big shift, I think social media just started to come into play and I think that these girls that were considered to be commercial had it much more as approachability a word there was just sure we'll make it. Was that a consumer or an audience related? Two more with commercial models and so the industry would see the, you know, these girls followers and Their audience was much bigger and something happened where you would start to see other women, you know in these kind of high fashion and walking down the runway and suddenly we were being embraced in a different way and we had that voice. Yeah, and then of course social media really has taken off in the last few years and which we can talk about because that is I mean your social media is Saying I swear you look put up a chair and I'm like I want that tank. Oh good. I don't know. It's like your aesthetic is so on point you have a social media team that helped. I do four rows think for me I don't have help for your I'd like to I'm just taking pictures all the time. I see inspiration around me everywhere and I see it through Furniture. I see it through ART I through galleries architecture fashion film and I just felt like why am I not sharing all of these things that I've got like count Those photographs about and it's nice to know that people respond to them as well. And well, I'm a responder execute grid. Yes, girl. Well, you're a gret as rock and it's consistent. It's very color-coordinated. So let's fast forward. Yeah to you did fashion. You did Runway your you just had so many great moments. And now you're a mother and Jack is to Jack is doing a bit and I know and I just I want to talk about like what is that? What is The hood mean to you. Aw. It's just such a journey. It's hard to even put it into words really because I will say I don't think I was in any way prepared for the emotional side of becoming a mother really, I've never really been around babies before I knew it was time to start a family and I knew I had this inkling and me that I wanted to have a baby but the maternal Instinct never really kicked in until I gave of birth really it was incredibly overwhelming on so many different levels because here was here. I am with this newborn baby that I had this overwhelming sense of love for and it is a huge identity shift. And so that first year for me was a mix of like pure joy a lot of anxiety learning as I went redefining my identity to myself to my partner to my work to my son. And it's a very intimate kind of personal experience and really beautiful because I feel like I've evolved and grown so much and there is just nothing that comes close to how proud I feel of him and how much and I just stare at her could stare at him all day long Susan. Yeah. Yeah because you're so close with your mom. Have you taken any advice from her raising Jack? Yeah, you know, it's funny I think as well when I when I found out I was pregnant. Pregnant you do a lot of looking back on your own childhood, right? You look at the things that were really impactful to you the things that really shaped you the things that you didn't shave your things that didn't shave you or Dare and you start to kind of cultivate your own way of like parenting, you know, I had such a great childhood on so many levels and that but there are a lot of things I want to do differently. You know, I'm 32 study. Years ago my parents came from you know completely different generation and you know the world I'm living in now compared to the world that I grew up in which was a very sheltered rustic country life and the world I live in today and the challenges and the opportunities and the exciting fast-paced world that I live in is very different from my own childhood. And so yes, she's there she's there at the end of the phone and again just such a huge support and she's just always got my back. Do you know what I mean? My mom's the same. I've been told her and be like I've done that she's like no you're in the right times. You just need that to know that you know, my pregnancy has been it's been like a roller coaster of emotions. I mean my first trimester I was just tired and I like a little queasy and then like towards the end of it. I think I just started crying a lot more body was changing so rapidly and you know, let's talk about that because I don't want to talk about that. I have had really terrible days. Really good days, you know everybody can tell you how cute your Bump is but when your body is changing so rapidly it's like you kind of have to like succumb to it. Yeah. Did you have a similar experience you did? I gained a reasonable amount of weight. I gained about 55 pounds pounds. I feel like I'm on my way to there. I'm like at 40 right now and I've still got two more money. Yeah. That's an I enjoy myself. Let me bring you know some new. Experience so you're kind of like wow, let's see how this goes and six months in I was like, wow, it was an intense journey and the same thing it was kind of like so magical to see your I never felt more like of a at towards the end. I just I basically walked around naked for the last week. I was in the pool all day and I just was like fuck it anymore. This is me. By the end, I just felt really empowered in my body, but it took a minute to get there and then suddenly afterwards when I'd had Jack and I would look in the mirror and I was like, I've got 35 40 pounds to lose and I go to the gym go to the gym go to the gym. It's not falling off. It's not coming up. It was a very humbling for me because you know having had a certain body type like, you know for most of my life certainly the the last few years. I've never felt fitter. I was very Raylene I was in good shape and people always ask me about my body my workout and you hear yourself saying, you know workout three times a week and did it in there and I just felt like no I cannot tell people how to feel about their bodies because everybody has a different experience and I will say like working out in the gym and looking back at myself and feeling like shit. I was like now I understand like how hot it is for some people to get The gym and it just took so long to see that weight shift and I've had girlfriends that have lost it within two or three months. There. Was that bounce back that was fearful thing and for me I breastfed for six months. I didn't lose a pound I breastfed and I ate so much because you're starving and you want to eat eat. I was more hungry when he was born, but you need to make milk, right your body needs that. I would eat a whole box of bran flakes first time in my life. I've ever craved bran flakes. Anyway, it did it took a full year. It was just after them at ball and I got on the scale and I was like, oh I'm back to where I was before but it took a long time and it was a real humbling experience for me because yeah, I remember there was a little bit of press to about you at the in your swimming suit and the Press was tearing you apart and it was so Clearly that we are saying about yeah, I couldn't believe that's funny because I didn't know anyone ever really sees that stuff and I was on a shoe. The only reason I'm yeah it was because obviously it's in my wheelhouse. Yeah, and somebody had sent it to me and was like, isn't this discussing? Yeah girl is like a size 6 I had gone on a shoot for my swimwear line. Yes. We were in the Caribbean and frolicking around the beach having fun with my team, you know, very unselfconscious. Conscious and the next day. We're all on the shoe and the photographers like oh there's tons of Paparazzi shots, and I'm like, oh my gosh, and I'm always like that because I don't worry. I actually find being packed very uncomfortable and it's especially when this sneaker. Yeah, it's very just unnatural the whole experience of being spied on or even if they're there it's something I've never really kind of gotten comfortable with so the Press comes out and you know, I read it like sometimes you just read these things. I don't often read stuff, but I wanted to See the pages and so I read it and I was kind of taken aback by some of the comments that people had and most so what it was upsetting for as the kind of narrative around how women are supposed to look it wasn't so much like oh that's really hurtful towards me. Like I kind of amused two things over the years. I can brush it off. It was just like shocking like to see someone write another body ruined after a baby and you're like, What the fuck like, you know sure I haven't bounced back at seven months later. But like I'm you know, you looked amazing juice but it's one of those things it comes with the territory it does but it's not fair. It was ever fair for a couple of days, but you get on it makes you stronger and but really it was more kind of like really are we still at this place where we have to defend our body Sheriff like bouncing? After a baby, it's just everybody's body is different. Everyone's on their own journey, and I really want for every mother to really focus on herself ultimately but also the time with her child and it will come and it will happen and everybody gets back to a place where they feel good again. And well that's good advice I take I feel better now then and I feel it different respect for my body than I did before. I'm going to take that advice home and really keep it. Yeah dear to my heart because I keep thinking about what's going to happen after but I need to not I need to think about focusing on my baby. And yeah, so I'm glad I did it that way. Is this part of the reason why you decided to not put jack? Face on social for me. It was just like it's a no-brainer really like I just always felt really strongly that it should be Jack's decision if he wants to live a public life. I just dread the idea of him turning around to me at 15 16 and being like you and Dad just didn't protect me you hold me out. It should be his choice. I want him to feel normal because without trying it's going to you know, it's going to happen, you know, and it's really different for everyone and I don't judge either way, but that's what fills most authentic to me. And that's what you know, it's good. I'm so curious because like, you know and having this baby and it's so hot my yeah, gorgeous. Really small and Rail and then when I go to work, it's they could shift of identity and it just helps me like kind of process everything. I need to feel that down-to-earth thing. Well, let's talk about what's going on right now with you Rose ink baby. I mean the whole creative process happened in your third trimester. I'd had the idea of setting up a Content platform for quite some time. Every time I sit down to do an interview the journalist would ask me for my tips my tricks and I could just see see there was this appetite for it. And so I had this idea and I've always been a lover of like fashion magazines and blogs and websites and content platforms. And so I really just kind of wanted to build something and so for several years. I've been really thinking about it. And of course I was on a plane every 10 days two weeks every five days. Like I was traveling all over I said yes to everything and I had fallen pregnant and I thought okay. Still going to work so I still had to work through my pregnancy, but I'm going to sort of strip back on the traveling a little bear and I built out a team and we literally sat around my kitchen table for a year whilst I was pregnant as I was breastfeeding and still now Jack comes in first for some of the meetings have wherever at home now, we have an office but we started in 2017. We started to build and then launch 2018. You know, what eight? 18 months and now so 18 months until when you first started you had seven employees. Yeah, we've got about yeah six seven employees in the office. Okay, and then, you know, we have like a sort of creative teams that you know, we kind of Outsourcing and work with on a regular basis as well. So videographers photographers and editors graphic designers and all of that. It's like people don't need to be in the office every day. So yeah, it's it's a full-on operation its kind of and growing and Changing quickly and it's very exciting. Rosen is a full digital Beauty Forum think of it like an online magazine for beauty. My intention was really to build a community of beauty lovers and to share everything that I've learned over the 1617 years. Well because makeup chair as a model. It's like every day you get a new tip or trick every single day you're working with a new artist or an office you've worked with for years and I just felt like like this is what people want to know, you know, I want to like democratize this kind of information and make it available for people and so and I and it's also my passion and I want to share I want to know what they want. I want to I want to start a dialogue and a conversation around something. I feel passionate about I feel comfortable talking about and so we launched the site. I don't show YouTube channel and it's really been about celebrating artist within the industry highlight. In hero products highlighting new Experts New influences and just kind of like having this place where we can all talk and share and talk about everything and anything beauty related and and deeper and what beauty really means two people on it on a deeper level. So I know I actually started using Katie Jane Hughes because you post it on your Instagram. I know she's the best she's so great and it was like, who is this girl and then she didn't like she didn't have an agency. So I had to DM. Yeah, and it's like such a new wave. Yeah. How to put I love that's one of my favorite things about social media is finding new talent and building relationships with them and it's been really special to be a small part of some of these peoples like stories and you know, there's just so many different ways of launching your career. Now, there's the traditional route as an artist and then there's this new wave and I just really want to celebrate all of it. Where do you see Rosie ink in the next five years? I see the content continuing to strengthen and you know, all the other things are going. I don't want it. I know well, yeah, let's I mean you have to ask you I have it. Yeah, you've seen like really great packages. Yeah. I see ambitious you nice escape plan. I'm not going to say anything today. But all those things are okay. So the skincare this make up those hairs all the things. Well, that's fine. And also you have Have Mark and Spencers autograph for Rosie and that lingerie I mean it takes over it is it's everywhere. Yes. How long have you had that Lavinia? It's now which is flex on us. Tell us some stats girl. Yeah, so I signed with Marks and Spencers the face of women's wear and that was about eight years ago as a young model. I always had done a lot of lingerie shoots, and I'd work for vs. I decided to walk away from vs. When I was 24, and because I really knew that I wanted to have my own line and there was just What they're sort of I kind of reached the ceiling for where I could go with vs and things shifted at the company and now things are shifting scoob. Wow. So that's another conversation. I felt like it was time for me to kind of Branch off and do my own thing and I always believed like a piece of career advice. Somebody gave me as that. You should always kind of look at your partners and your relationships and your contacts that you have already and so I started to do A little bit of research on Marks & Spencer and what I very quickly Learned was that they are you know by far the most dominant lingerie retailer in the UK. They own a third of the lingerie Market in the UK. Wow. So the statistic is like one in three women is wearing a Marks & Spencer bra at any time. So one in three women probably have Rosie on their boobs right now, hopefully. Whoo. Yeah, so I think then there's like a funny statistic and you know statistics or whatever, but it's like one in three women are wearing them expensive. And then one in three is wearing a Rosy bra which is kind of cool. So whether that's true or not. I don't know how to say it is but so I did this sort of research and I kind of very boldly as most of my kind of beginnings of things start and naively improve in a way went to the board and the heads at marks and Spencer and said would you be interested in doing a collaboration with me and they said yeah. Let's let's just let's start it small don't know if it'll go anywhere. We'll do a season. We'll just keep it really small and I think you know the time they just wanted you know to have my faith in lingerie. And so it was an opportunity to do that. It's grown into sleep where we dabbled in active. We're swearing fragrance Beauty. Wow loungewear. And so it's this kind of this that's a great example of just going out and getting what you want. Listen. That's just the way I do things. It's like I It's something I go after it. So someone can say is like no it's beep olds and just kind of go off to what it is that you want. If you truly believe in yourself, I feel like other people believe in you. It's infectious, right? I love that. Oh, yeah. So your mom your business woman. You're a wife. You are a model you're traveling. You've got employees Toby. I got your style icon giving me anxiety. There's just so many things. But what is the work/life yourself balanced like self-care bounds? I know there's no such thing as perfect. But what is it for you that keeps you grounded. I know that you have talked about The Four Agreements being something like a book that was really near and dear to you. But I just want to know like what is what is that that keeps you grounded or keeps you balanced. It's a really big question because I feel like it's definitely what Living right now and being a new mom and being somebody that finds a lot of passion from my work finding that balance is a struggle prioritize my family first and foremost and that's just like no nonnegotiable. Yeah, but you know with a career like ours it kind of can come and go very quickly and it probably will, you know, you're in it you make hay while the sun shines you see opportunity and you you sort of have to Have to stay on top of it. And that's also something I feel like I've always tried to do is kind of look ahead and and say yes and get on with things and the balance is just something I don't really know if I believe in it. I think it's another pressure but I think that the prioritizing your family first trying whenever you're in one scenario whether I'm at the office or whether I'm at home whether I'm on a shoe. I'm out with my son or I'm on vacation and I'm you know, kind of whatever I'm doing for work, wherever I am. I try and be really present. So when I'm with my son the phone goes away, you know, I'll go lock it in my bathroom. My time has him going to be devoted to him when I'm at work. I'm focused on that and of course, I'm reachable but you know surrounding myself with a really wonderful team. I have a wonderful team of women that I work with at a couple of men who I who I adore. Oh, and Jason really is the owner ultimately one of the most real grounding grounded people. I know and he is honestly the most supportive person. I know, you know, he really has always encouraged me and always my number one fan and it goes both ways and I think with that and with the encouragement of my parents and the support and love of friends and family around you you sort of feel like you can fly. A little bit but you know, I've had a really busy couple of weeks and I'm craving to go to London on Sunday and know that I'm going to have a few weeks off and like I can take my son to all the Museum's. I'm just so excited to like taken to so go see plays spend some time with his aunt and uncle and grandparents and you know, so all those things and making sure you really schedule the time with your family and I going on holidays. It's a big deal and Jason took off two years. Yeah during your pregnancy. This was so sweet. Yeah, and I'm still I'm like, what are you doing? He's you know, he's indifferent. It's really as thinking about it the other day. It's really cool. Because when we're at home in Allah, I have almost like a nine-to-five I'm you know out during the day and he is at home a lot because he has you know, he's an actor. So he's either gone for a few months or he's at home and when he goes off to work, I typically kind of go With with wherever he's based. So his last few projects have been in London, which has been great. We can sort of relocate and when I'm in London things are a little bit, you know, I'm away from the office a little bit more. I'm not as available. And so although I'm you know, we're always available phone and whatnot. But it's I sort of saw it as you know, we're able to really kind of support and be flexible with each other's projects and I you know, I sort of realized it and felt really grateful that we We have that kind of flexibility between us but yeah, he took off he took off a good couple of years and you know, he's he just loves being a dad and I love it. It's really kind of cool to see that. So Cory loves and to see this big tough. Like stroke is Sonia just like Jack is really cute. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's a great way to end this. Thank you. So thanks so much for being here one last thing that we do on pretty She'll is we do a lightning round of live boldly rapid question. Okay, so you just have to kind of answer the simple question. What's the last pretty penny you spent? I bought a Bottega Veneta clutch with Gabby yesterday another one. Yeah, how many do you have now? It's really bad. Which color is it? I bought a beige. I bought like beige new kind of crust. I don't like it when we kind of but they're like collectors items. Yeah, the collect and I there Are so expensive. But yeah, so I bought that yesterday with her. Okay, biggest deal breaker biggest deal breaker for me as Liars. Mmm and When I don't like to work on anything where it's not collaborative like I don't need to have my voice. I need to feel like I'm part of a deal-breaker. Yeah, okay, and because you're on pretty big deal and you're a pretty big deal, what's a pretty big deal to you pretty big deal to me is my son today coming out of his little preschool with like you've made some kind of like pumpkin picture and stuck a lot of things. There's just Like the best I can't wait for those days. Yeah, so sweet. Thank you for coming. Thank you for being here. Thanks Ashley. Don't forget to join the conversation on social follow pretty big deal on Instagram and Twitter and send us all your questions and comments. We want to hear from you.

Ashley Graham sits down with the incredible Rosie Huntington-Whiteley! Rosie is a model, beauty enthusiast, and badass business owner. Her company Rose Inc is a wildly successful online forum that keeps visitors on the cutting edge of all things beauty. Rosie got her start as a catalogue model and jumped to the big leagues as a Victoria’s Secret Angel. After years on the catwalk, she capitalized on her platform by launching brands with companies she'd long-admired. Rosie's unique taste and business savvy have landed her on the Forbes list of highest paid models in the world.HOST: Ashley Graham GUEST: Rosie Huntington-Whiteley EXECUTIVE PRODUCERS: Ashley Graham, Penni Thow, Scooter Braun EXECUTIVE PRODUCERS: Michael D. Ratner, Scott Ratner, Miranda Sherman CO-EXECUTIVE PRODUCERS: Kelsey McWilliams, Ava Coleman, Kfir Goldberg, Elias Tanner DIRECTED BY: Michael D. Ratner WRITER: Ava Coleman LINE PRODUCER: Ben Shafer ASSOCIATE PRODUCER: Ilyssa Walker RESEARCHER: Shahnaz Mahmud DIRECTOR OF PHOTOGRAPHY: Lars Lindstrom PRODUCTION DESIGNER: Francesca Maldonado 1ST ASSISTANT DIRECTOR: Coleen Chan EDITORS: Shandor Garrison, Sarah-Rose Meredith MAIN TITLE THEME BY: Johannes Raassina, Lefteris Ioannou POST PRODUCTION SUPERVISOR: Ben Shafer SOUND MIXER: Icemen Audio TITLE THEME PRODUCER: Johannes Raassina PRODUCTION SOUND: Blake Christian DATA MANAGEMENT: Rachel Slott PRODUCTION ASSISTANTS: Susie Bijan, Naomi Montes, Dalton Short ADDITIONAL PRODUCTION SUPPORT: Jennifer Spottz PRODUCED BY: Pretty Big Deal Productions, OBB Picture & OBB Sound SPECIAL THANKS: Mina White, IMG Models

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And if you have been listening to the embodied astrology horoscopes for the last couple months or the last couple of years. We're checking in with your horoscopes. I'll swear you're probably well aware that there has been a long process at work and the Process has been hugely transformative deeply important and also really hard really uncomfortable for a lot of this time. And this time has been the last 10 years 10 years plus and for you specifically it has a lot to do with relationship. So the challenges that you've been meeting in relationships have been really asking you to do some intense work on yourself how you negotiate boundaries how you negotiate agreements? What expectations you Have for relationships what expectations you have for yourself and the kind of beliefs that you have around yourself as they come up and relationships and really shape the ways that you interact and agree to interact with people. This is is all the material that has been getting pulled up and transformed and over the course of the last month. I think there has been some kind of clarification or Reckoning moment. And this this feeling is that you've kind of reached the end of a phase there may have been an awareness process that you've been in that culminates in a space of Consciousness that feels like it's more clear than it has been in the last number of years. The way that I imagined. It is probably lessons have been coming in for a while now and you know, maybe feel like you're doing one step forward two steps back you're starting to learn things, but then putting them um into practice has its own story and very recently you have come into a place where you're done with the old pattern you're truly done with it and you are now really ready to move into the new pattern and that's what I see Aquarius season being about for you is understanding what the new pattern is in relationships and intimacy these and in shared spaces and you're going to start to put Some of this new pattern into practice now, I do want to say that there is still awkwardness. There's still a feeling of trying it out and you definitely want to give yourself a lot of patients with that because that's really the name of the game for the entire year of 2020 is trying it out try doing a different thing and if things don't always feel like they're absolutely different or you're totally into the new cycle really try and continue to pay attention to where you are. Are changing where you have changed and where you are putting into practice this new way of being so what's this new way of being about it's about having some more clarity and an objective viewpoint on your interactions with people in a more subtle level. So it's like you've moved past the superficial idea of what relationships are this imposition from the outside the external form of what the relation Up is maybe you've been attracted to people for certain reasons or you had a picture in your mind of what your perfect relationships should look like and what you're coming to understand is that it's much more about the substance of something and what you're looking for is is going to be felt it's more of a subtle awareness or vibration and it can't be something that you know from the outside. It has to be lived into from the inside. Now I do want to just take a moment and pause and clarify when I'm talking about relationships. I'm talking about all kinds of relationships, but specifically I'm talking about you and partnership with other people and partnership can definitely be romantic and be spousal Partners. It can also be other kinds of Life Partners platonic friends people that you definitely want to continue your you know relationship with and in some kind of capacity for a Time and you have to figure out how to do that so we can also include business partners. We can include collaborators. We can include people that maybe you don't even get along with that well or don't even like that well, but for whatever reason you have to get along with them, you have to figure out how to find a middle ground and what your understanding has. I think quite a lot to do with your it's like yourself presence and the the ability that you have to trust your own intuition and trust your knowing and when something feels off to recognize and trust that feeling that you're getting and so the foundation of this has to do with self worth and self love the ability to trust yourself and Trust the feelings that you're having but where it's really manifesting is in the in-between spaces in your relationships. So these spaces are aware, you know. Some chips are complex and the stuff that comes up in relationships when we get into like weird funky spaces with people has so many intertwining xand in measurements with all kinds of things. So when you get into a weird funky space with someone probably a fair amount of you know, everybody's baggage is coming up childhood issues past experiences. There's also different programming different wiring that people have around their expectations and their preferences. Has and all of that stuff is unspoken. It might be something that feels very natural to a person on their own but then when it comes into relationship everything kind of collides in the middle and you figure out where there are misalignments or you figure out where there are, you know, booby traps kind of and so it's this place. It's in this kind of space that you're really going to start to do something different because like I said you No longer fixated on the external form of the relationship. You are much more interested in the depth and the content of the relationship and you are you're ready you're able and you have the tools now to work in these more subtle spaces in these subtle layers. So it looks to me like that's what Aquarius season is about. These are the big themes and these are also the themes that you're looking at in large part As you move into 20 T So Aquarius season extends of course between January 20th and February 18th and with in Aquarius season, there are a couple of things that are happening one of the notable things happening is that mercury begins its retrograde cycle Mercury is retrograde three times per year. And in this first cycle Mercury will be retrograde mostly in the sign of Pisces Mercury retrograde is a symbol of the mind turning back in on itself and our mental activities and Communications tend to Become more reflective retrospective at this time and it's not as easy to make kind of clear logical sense out of our minds and out of our Communications. So this is part of why we get the warning. So, you know be careful with your Communications don't sign contracts. You might not be looking at the right thing. You might not have the information that you need. You may be in a process of researching something and not totally ready or clear with the direct path. Mercury begins its retrograde phase on February 3rd, and this is when it enters what's called The Shadow period the shadow phase is when Mercury is traversing the part of the sky and direct motion that it will then have to return back to once it turns retrograde. So that begins February 3rd, then on March 5th Mercury will station retrograde and it will travel retrograde until March 16th. And then from the 16th to March 30th Mercury will finish Up with the second Shadow period and so that's that re traversing of the terrain that it traveled back to in the retrograde. So think of the entire period of time February 3rd until March 16th as a period of time where you really want to be curious about what's happening for you let this be a retrospective and reflective moment. Let it be a time when you give yourself in a lot of others leniency and you try and build it into your expectations that there might Might have need to be repeats there might need to be renegotiations or revisions. This is especially important for you because of where Mercury is traveling in your chart and the meaning of this part of your chart that has a lot to do with your path with your with the meaning that you're making for your life in the world. Now, if you are a person who is involved with higher level academics, if you're in college or graduate school if you're a teacher and one of these institutions or student or if you're involved in some Kind of educational process then this this retrograde is particularly important for you. And the message that I'm getting is that you are kind of needing to feel into the process that you're in you probably want to give yourself the entire retrograde to have some kind of it's like a you're figuring out your feelings about something there may be some confusion or uncertainty NT about which way you're moving towards or there may just be dispersed energy. Even if it's not feeling confusing or negative. It could feel very creative really inspired but still dispersed. So if you're if you're putting something into form, I want to ask you to give yourself a lot of generosity and patients between February 3rd and the 16th of March but even moving into April to let Mercury get out of Pisces because Pisces is a place that Be kind of Cloudy and dispersed all of the time and when Mercury is there are mines are really well attuned to creative processes to intuition to more subtle energies, like psychic energies or empathic Impressions. They're not doing such a great job at logical linear straight forward thinking so if you can spend this period in a creative intuitive space connecting some more spiritual or sacred energy. That is awesome. That is The way to use it and otherwise patience with yourself and patients with the world around you February 7th through March 16th. The planet Venus will Transit the sign Aries, wherever Venus travels it's bringing love and magnetism and abundance. It's an attractive force and lucky for you Aries is the ruler of your kind of career sector. This is the part of the chart that has a lot to do with what you are. Putting out into the world. So if you think about what do you want to be when you grow up if these kinds of ideas that's not necessarily a job description. It could be more of a quality that you want to embody and emanate into the world. But here we have ideas of your Public Image and the way that you project yourself out into the world in general. So when we think of you this is what we know you as now areas as a sign that's very self-determined and self-directed. You really need to honor your own. On impulse and Venus traveling through this part of your chart gives you a lot of support to do that. So with Venus's Transit through Aries again, February 17th through March 16th, you really want to indulge your desires to have an adventure to prove yourself to do things that are hard and when you put yourself out when you take a risk to let people see you you get rewarded, especially when you have you know anything. You're working on or any efforts that you've been making that really feel like they're yours. It's like you're you're proving something in the world. You're showing something in the world and you want to just let any confidence that you have kind of rest in your Center and expand. So this is definitely a great transit for believing in yourself and believing in what you're offering and letting that flow out and the more that people see you and they audience you in your power and in your enjoyment the more that they appreciate you and want to give you help and support from February 16th through March 31st. The planet Mars will Transit Capricorn now at the beginning of the horoscope when I was talking about this transformative process you've been in with your relationships Capricorn is the place where all this has been happening. So Mars is Transit through this part of your chart is bringing power. It's bringing Force. It's bringing heat. It's bringing Action and it could potentially be bringing aggression or conflict. So this is a time when you definitely want to be aware of the types of relationships that are coming into your life where they are meeting this kind of new awareness that I've been talking about that you've been cultivating and where they are exhibiting the old patterns and I'm saying they but this definitely also means you and how you are relating with People with Mars you are given some some you're given some drive to really clarify for yourself what you want and what you will agree to soyuz Mars has energy as it as it transits through Capricorn to be very clear about your boundaries be very clear about your desires and let that energy motivate you to seek out and embody the kinds of relationships in the way that you want to be. and relationships a couple of important lunations throughout the month. There will be a new moon on January 24th. This new Moon occurs at four degrees of Aquarius Aquarius. Is this new idea that you're forming this this new sense of awareness in the subtle energies in your intimate and vulnerable exchanges. So around the new moon, this is a great time to set intentions for the next 12 months from this new moon until next year's new moon in Aquarius. What do you To cultivate in terms of your awareness of this more subtle plane and shared space this new moon is bringing some breakthrough energy with it. There may be some frustration leading up to the new moon and trust that the frustration is productive. It's helpful to kind of sometimes get really squeezed it is what then allows us to actually make a shift on February 8th and 9th, depending on your time zone. We've got the full moon at 20 degrees of Leo the full moon is always an In between the Sun and the Moon so the sun will be at 20 Aquarius the moon at 20 Leo check your natal chart. If you have planets or points close to these lunations again for degrees of Aquarius for the new moon 20 degrees of Leo are Aquarius for the full moon. Then those planets and points are specifically kind of pointed to with the energies of these illuminations. The full moon is bringing a lot of Creative Energy forward a lot of support for you to be expressing yourself authentically and with excitement this full moon wants you to embrace your self-esteem. Be confident be courageous and be seen so let yourself kind of come out. We want to see you. Alright, so make sure you check in with embodied astrology on Instagram at embodied astrology or check your inboxes for my free newsletter. I'll be sending out lunar attunements with the new moon and the full moon and you can always follow me on social media for regular posts throughout the week musing about astrology. I hope this horoscope is helpful for you friend and I wish Seeing you all the best in Aquarius season and Beyond bye for now.

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On this episode you'll hear about wellness fitness French autism and lifestyle a train fucking Chic gangster podcast hosted by Fitness and Wellness French adonys mm Guru and creator of the method to body Yours Truly Ingrid de la marck any live from Monte Carlo Monaco on this show. You'll find a mix of audio entertainment including listener and audience questions answered. What about health Wellness Lifestyle Family and relationships and my friend holistic tips to be healthy have your best body and transform both your body and your mind set into the happiest ever as well as leaving labelled Z lifestyle like a Chic French gangster. And Ingrid de la marck any I'm the CEO and founder of the method she's also my wife and she's the smartest woman I've ever met. First of all, she's my mom and she's really cool. He's all that and she's a Superhero. This is the pardon my French podcast. Hello and welcome to pardon my French episode 33. I am your host Ingrid Lamarck any live from beautiful Monaco man. Oh man have we waited for this episode? And the reason for that is that I've been very undecided about actually publishing the original episode that I was supposed to publish and bring out to my tribe and the world I'm going to explain why so I decided to do this solo episode to give context and then for the following week listen to My Tribe I had to recenter I'm probably not making much sense to many of you, but I will very soon. I promise let me explain. As you've been following my journey and I've been sharing my whole life with you guys on Instagram on this podcast. You've seen my progress. You've seen some of my hurdles you seen some of my sex successes. Sorry, you've heard me speaking to my kids you've listened to my kids you've listened to Dylan story, which is a compelling story. You've listened to Savannah talking about you know, Her body issues when she's hot dumb, you know how we deal with, you know body image what we feel about Photoshop. You've heard Jill come on the podcast twice. I haven't brought the car down. She's you know, she's 13 years old. I feel like she's too young to make a decision to be outspoken publicly or anything like that. And you know, even though I think she can share so much and she could be so so cute and it would be fair to bring around. I just feel it's a big responsibility to make this decision for her and put her on the podcast that's going to be staying on the airwaves internet Airwaves for a long time. I just don't feel she is, you know at a stage in our life where she can make that decision and I don't want to make it for her by the same way that for example, someone approached me for a reality show. I probably wouldn't let the quota be on because I feel that decision that she would have to make when she is a grown adult. As much as I put my children on Instagram, I'm extremely careful with how much of their life I share and what they're comfortable with. I don't want when they become adults a Savannah and Dylan or adults today, but they weren't always adults when I put them on Instagram. I've been very careful with thinking okay when this child turns 18, 20 21 when they're in age to decide whether they should be on, you know, social media or they should be exposed. And to you know the public eye. Will they be like what Mom? Why did you make this decision for me? This is not a decision. I would have made for myself. I feel the same way about so much. I feel the same way about religion. I feel the same way about a lot of things. So that being said, I've shared so much of everything that comes into play in my life with you. My listeners my audience My Tribe some of my haters. I know listen as well. That's a choice I've made and it's been a therapeutic one for me. Much so that I've written my book and it's going to be released soon was supposed to be released right before New Year's. It's going to be released after New Year's for editing reasons. I've decided to add a little bit more depth to it and more visual to it and that took a little bit more editing and Publishing work, but it will be out soon and then I'll be going on a very small book tour in four main cities that are close to my heart. So maybe one are you and so throughout this journey, you've seen me reacting to internet bullies, you know people that send hateful messages Copy Cow, and if you've been on my Instagram you've seen the latest from Ted, so I got an encrypted message email message from I think it's prompt on which is an encrypted service in Switzerland and Originator of the emails not so smart because an encrypted email does not mean that you stay completely Anonymous if the company the company is to peanut or urged because of death threats or harassment. They have to actually Trace back to the originating IP and they are not bind to keep the person and identified an anonymous if they violate some regulations which in Switzerland and Europe. And regulations on harassment and hateful messages are very serious. So I got an email. I think actually the method got the email was on our contact email from Ted teg. The subject was your diet and the body said go fuck yourself or a whore go fuck yourself of fuck you something like that and That was very emotionally charged on that person side and I we know we all know who Ted is at this point. We obviously know it's someone who is affected by my view on diets. I don't know if their goal ticket is affected or their Mantra or their self-confidence or you know, whatever their Persona or but it's someone that is deeply deeply affected by Diet and the word diet now. I've been very outspoken about how I feel about a diet. I've never been on one in my life simply because I'm French and that is just not something that's part of our vocabulary. We eat mindfully read healthy we real food, but we don't call it a diet. I've explained it before the word diet in France are and in French which is to get it yet means that you're sick and you're on some type of you know, medically prescribed regimen Not to say that people don't die it in France. They are people that are dieting. You know, the the obesity rate here is lower than in the United States, but it's on the rise because fast food is come here. It has become a trend. They just open the three guys, you know near from us here and it's like we went to look it up and we wanted a burger because I do have Burgers once in a while. It's not you know, it's not my absolute favorite food to have every week but once in a while, I love it. And I enjoy it all of it with the top on that's the only part of me that you know is definitely not French. I keep my top on add the beach and I keep my top on the burger, but that being said, you know diets never been part of my vocabulary and I do feel that there's really death of the Mind death of the Soul death of do umin Being as far as someone who can enjoy life when they're on a diet and there's the word die in it. So I always say diet has the word die in it. And each time. I've spoken up about diet per se I've been getting attacked by, you know, an anonymous source. But anyways, when I received the email from Ted that same week, I had announced that someone I've recently become very friendly with And speaking about collaborating with Michelle Shapiro who is a registered dietitian in New York City Yes. You heard me. She may have restored some of my faith in registered dietitians in the United States. I you know, don't hold the profession so close to my heart because what I've seen so far from RDS, especially on Instagram is so scary to me and I have a few that come to mind and I'm trying to be as unbiased as possible trying to not mix two Persona with the actual job but some of the posts and comments and you know, the the relationship with food that disposed in still and I've when I've gone on a rampage before about this when there was the hole Gigi crazed but this is so scary to me and these people are people that I have a hard time professionally, you know having respect for however in My Tribe. I have a few hard few RDS that I respect that have a more holistic approach less diet and Michelle's one of them and she's coming up with an event soon that's called quiet the diet, which I think is a fantastic title. Just she got me at That but that's not how her and I met a few weeks ago before the Ted email. I woke up to about 42 Instagram messages forwarding videos to me of two women and there was Michelle in there was another woman who I will eventually speak about I prefer to keep it on this subject for now and they were I mean usually when People send me videos. I really like try to keep my consumption of content very very narrow. So it doesn't eat up all my energy for this reason. Sometimes if people go have you seen my stories unless you tag me where I'll make a real effort to go, you know, see what you tag me in whether you've consumed my product or whether you've tagged me out of appreciation of you said something kind or whether you said something mean I will see it. It you know, I'm on Instagram so I can interact with you all but getting 42 messages with the same videos, even though I usually refuse to consume anything like that people send me videos of you know, what someone said or whatever not so what someone said about me but just entertainment II try not to consume too much because I don't have enough energy in the day to just consume content. That's not relevant. To my mission to what I do taking care of my kids cooking for my family, you know taking care of my business taking care of my tribe helping someone here and there but 42 messages. I'm like I have to watch and from one woman to the other I end up on Michelle story who's speaking about having been in you know, the workplace as a registered dietitian and working for an organization where she was fat shamed and and bullied and harassed and intimidated and I'm like, why is everyone sending this to me? And then it became clear that a lot of the people that had listened to me. She'll put two and two together and you who had she had worked for and thought that the person or the people behind this organization where the same people that were constantly harassing me through fake, you know, fake name. Send stuff like that on Instagram and I didn't want to give it too much energy because lately they had not been bothering me. I think I fought back so hard and I hid behind the truth rather than you know with skeleton in my closet that he would make sure they would try to pull out like they try to pull up my conviction once and they tried to you know, talk about my criminal record. I think about this all the time. This is not new to you if you've been listening to me, but it became clear that what Michelle was talking about with was, you know being arrest on on the workplace as a registered dietitian being fat shamed and being intimidated. And so I reached out to her and I said, I'm sorry this happened to you and then kind of from there started a dialogue is super friendly dialogue. Nothing hateful. And I said, what's your bottom line Michelle? What do you want to get out of this? Why are you coming out now? And she said, well, I have a lot of clients that are being heard by the diet mentality and not just specifically this diet but my clients are getting hurt. I have a client going through Colin surgery. She said and everybody kept their clients Anonymous, but the bottom line is I have clients that I've been heard by diets and that come to me the main issue. My clients have come with from a past diet is probably the loss of period And I think that the reason why they gravitated towards me to heal from dieting was because I speak so Of hormones and the endocrine system and you know balancing your hormones in the most natural way whether you want to consume simply in your lane or not. There are so many ways that I can get your your period back not me, but you can you know following your intuition leads you to me because I speak about hormones then, you know, you need to get your period back. It's important. There are many doctors in the United States that actually you will go to and say I have a few missed periods and they'll go yeah. So what's the big deal if you come to me here and you tell me I have a few Miss period I'm like, you know what we got a fucking get you back on your cycle, right this second. You're not existing as a normal human being a healthy human being if you don't have your period when you're supposed to and I've had a few clients who wear around my age and I think that's a big deal to the demography the fact that they can relate to me with age and the fact that I've spoken about Hormones as well not just hormones in general and how my hormones change when I turned 36 37 having had three kids. Let's not forget. I have a kid who's almost 21 years old. So, you know my hormones My Cycles have gone through a lot and I've observed them and I've you know balance them back out and I've gone through through that. So I think that's relatable to women my age and I've had clients recovering from and you heard me recovering like it's almost like like an eating disorder like an illness from you know, their diet days coming to me and saying I lost my period and my dietician said I must just be going through early premature menopause. You don't tell a fucking woman at 40 years old that she's going through premature menopause. First of all, you're not a doctor you're a dietitian and as clinical as as a dietitian as As your role is because many dietitians have to go through, you know, clinical internships and you know things like that, you're not entitled to diagnose someone with something as serious and debilitating mentally as premature menopause. You don't tell a woman who's 40 or 42 years old, maybe still trying to build her love life. Maybe still trying to have a family that is in she's an early menopause. Fuck you for that. Whoever said that too many women that have you know that I've come in contact with whether clients followers. I've had pain clients going through this and I've had none plant paying clients people who just consumed my content may be buying your land maybe not and just you know, I would give non medical advice to just easy advice that doesn't affect their health. Badly, or you know, I always say I'm like, I'm not a doctor. I do have a certification in physiology and hormonal response to Fitness, but I'm not a doctor. What I'm going to tell you to do like eat fucking sesame seeds is not going to hurt you it can only help you so for everything else check with your doctor, but the bottom line is I never throw the towel at a woman who's 40 years old 42 43 or even 46 but hasn't gone through the pre menopausal stage for even being diagnosed by a doctor with permanent posting. No, you're not in perimenopause. You've lost your period something's fucking wrong and I'm and the doctors not you know claiming premenopause yet. I don't throw the towel at those women. I'm like, let's try let's give it a few cycles of, you know, eating real food not dieting not being afraid of carbs. back to fatty acids, maybe you know adding in a little bit of ashwagandha or Maca which is all you know, natural stuff maybe adding your own if you want to but you don't have to and tend to your guy and see if you can get your period back and your hair back is a lot of them also reported a lot of hair loss skin elasticity loss, you know, lots of lots of of of Sleep I mean there's so much that came with it. And so many of these women started migrating to me and my content from diets. So when I heard Michelle story saying I have a lot of dieters recovering dieters that come from a diet that turned dieting into an eating disorder, and she said they had to be Hospitalized for it. This was I mean it was like put it to you this way you complaining about a headache and someone comes and goes. Yeah. I was just diagnosed with cancer how fucking stupid that makes you feel about your little egg. That's exactly how I felt when I heard Michelle story and I didn't take it off at face value. because there's a lot of I don't know how to say this. But on Instagram people have a bottom line. A lot of people are seeking attention. A lot of people are looking to ride your wave because they see that you have momentum. A lot of people are if they're not copying you they're trying to use your voice to make their point. So I was kind of like very I On a say that I was careful, but I was and I wanted to know what her bottom line is and that kind of was like constantly my question like even though I wouldn't question her I would say okay. She's you know telling her story. She's not weak. She's not weeping. She's mainly acting as an advocate for other people that you know suffered from dieting, but she's also talking about her. Awful experience in the workplace as an RD, which was completely I mean, it's unbeknownst to me. I didn't see the other side. I didn't know that on, you know, the workplace of a registered dietitian. You could be bullied you could be fat shamed you could be intimidated you could be starving. I didn't know that. I thought that only happened to Willing participants of a diet and so part of me is empathetic to people that diet and then get sick from it because I'm like, they didn't know better The dietitian that got them sick has certifications and very impressive ones with tons of diplomas and you know tons of credentials and very often they hind the hide behind. The science or their you know their version of science but on the other side, so I have empathy for people that trusted that person or organization. But on the other side part of me is like, you know, you were a willing participant. I mean, this is not you know, the Charles Manson family, you know sacked or whatever. So hearing Michelle story we started to talk and then they were so many people that were messaging me. About her and her message and her narrative and then she was sharing a lot of the messages that she was receiving kind of like a me to movement and my first instinct was you know what let's bring awareness without shambling anyone. Let's bring awareness and let's speak about your experience in the workplace. I think that women who have been intimidated. Into I don't know how to say this without being offensive, but it's kind of like when you're not on that diet, you're not on fleek. So you're intimidated and kind of like afraid to not be on the diet anymore. And what I've been hearing from Michelle and some of her peers who I still appreciate even though there are these is these people are scared to quit And I'm like well, why are they scared to quit are they scared to gain the weight and the response is no this care to quit because they're intimidated. They're scared to me. This whole victim thing doesn't cut it. I'm not so much of I mean victim is a very American word and I don't think that it's applicable to a diet movement. No one's a victim. You know, you want you bought the the product you bought the book you you paid the sessions you may have done your research on what you're getting yourself into but it's not a drug. It's not you know, you're not giving in your firstborn. You can quit no matter how much money you've invested in it. You can quit and we're talking about women that are married that I have a husband by their sides who can be a very objective, you know on the outside looking. And sink their wife quit this shit right now. This is not good for you and and still these people are intimidated and they don't want to quit or when they quit they do it very silently and they come to the other side and I would be the other side. I've been really upset at times about that where last year people were quitting a diet, but they didn't want the diet organization to know they were quitting or they were giving in to inulin Simply in your land instead of that diet organizations product or recommended it products and it was like Ingrid. I love your simply inulin, but I can't post you because I don't want to stir shit. I don't want to start drama and I'm like whatever, you know, do what you have to do. I don't care. I'm not in it for the fame or the fortune. I everybody wants to make it but you know, like I said, I build my story brand on their Heroes of my story and I'm not the hero of my story. I explain that so many times you guys are the heroes of my story if Your endocrine system is alleviated by the changes that I could have helped to make or I could have influenced. That's you know, my success story. You're the hero you're on stage. I'm in the audience applauding you and maybe walking you to the stage. So I didn't care that they wanted to do it in the darkness and the shadows of whatever die. That they were abiding by but part of it is in Irving part of it is like a weird adult. So are we, you know still scared of the sorority sisters that they may know that we have gone to another beta gamma party. Like this is really what it looked like and I don't know if it's the hindsight and being in Monaco so far away from it all and really not fearful of anything or anyone at this point and not because I'm far away but because if you've been through the shit, I've been none of these people are Innovations or you know fake messages are going to intimidate the fuck out of me forget that shit. So, you know at times in the past year and a half or so the people that were in the shadow and we're you know consuming simply a new land and letting my philosophy and my product heal them from the guy in and out and you know getting their periods back and being so happy and at some point some of them would let it would let Go of the fear because they felt so much gratitude. I think mostly they should figure out it to towards themselves for finally, you know Breaking Free and following their intuition to me and just listening to my little voice a French reason and and and just following steps on their own because I don't do much. I it's not that we do hours and hours of consultations many of these success stories are not even an hour consult its may be consuming the product consuming. A lot of my content and exchanging a lot of messages on Instagram back and forth. But at some point some of these women are so scared to come out in the open and say I'm using simply Newland I went I went to the other side would be so grateful that it would be like, you know, what fuck it. I'm going to tag you and I know that they did attack me. They were so scared for some of them and some of them felt so free and guess what nothing happened to them but listening to Michelle's story kind of adding me of this whole thing happening last year where I had this whole migration of old, you know of eggs dieters or soon to be ex dieters coming over to me and saying by the way, I used to dye it but I don't want to anymore and I'm gonna listen to you, but please don't tag me so I wanted to bring Michelle on the podcast to kind of bring this. On the table and discuss it and I didn't think it's true in the sense that Michelle came and we started to record and it was emotionally charged on both of our sides. I think because we both had to we had experience on both sides of the story. meaning I was getting you know, I have gone because I haven't gotten them in a really long time until the email last week from Ted, but I had gotten very arresting trying to be intimidating, you know, comments and messages in the past from blocked IDs and whatever but knowing exactly what organizations and what people who come from And when the intimidation didn't work or trying to out my criminal record in work because I was doing it anyways, or you know, I do know how I deal with bullies by now if you've listened to me or if you follow me and kind of seen a little bit of my oh so they went for the jugular and they attack my kids and at the time the coda still was with her baby weight. She was I think she's ten years old. She's 13 out of ten and a half. There was two years ago. Go year and a half ago something like that and she still struggling with her baby when she was like a little Chub and Savannah has a had our ups and downs and you know, she's not very happy with her body. She's my little Jello as I like to call her and I love her body and if you listen to my podcast, you know, I've said this over and over and I love Savannah's body. She is a Mini-Me version of me, but she's way more curvy and voluptuous than I am in a gorgeous way. and she has abs and a gorgeous waist and she is, you know, slender and voluptuous at the same time just like Jennifer Lopez, but she has had her times of struggles with weight more when we lived in the states, then when we lived in France, but the transition was hard and at some point she lost all the weight and then she gained it back and it was tough and then Dylan had Obie's and this is something we spoke about on the podcast with him and he lost the weight all by himself without me putting him on a diet. It was just, you know, just eating differently and I think the change of food coming to France has helped too much and the one thing that I encouraged her most was we would go together. We'd run in Monaco. Yes. I used to make him jog because I felt like a man needs cardio as much as I tell women not to do cardio. He needed cardio. So I went and I did card you're with him. And by the way when I did cardio with him because I wanted him to run I gained weight a little bit my midsection because my cortisol levels didn't like it, but I did it for him and we would run in Monaco which is gorgeous, but it's all uphill for about an hour killed my knees by the way that time but I did it for him and it was worth it. And then we would end up at the beach where I would make him swim for an hour swim until he cried like me. Me I'm tired. But there was the healthiest thing that I could do for him on the other hand as far as the food. I did not micromanage. One thing I stopped doing was buying cookies and things like that and just make cookies at home. Dylan has a gluten intolerance that comes from his pathology. So if you've been listening to a podcast or following me, you know that he was on the spectrum of autism and part of that pathology is very often being intolerant lactose, which is not anymore. Not the French flag. Those anyways intolerant to gluten and so now you can have gluten it doesn't get terribly sick. But if you have too much gluten, he will is attention spam. Well will be not as good. So anyways my kids, you know had struggled with weight. And so that was a low blow when this harassing Message on Instagram came through and it's like they had tried to hit me and lowball me so hard and nothing worked. And so they went for the jugular and went for the kids and call them fat and that was terrible that was unacceptable. And at that point I took legal action with Instagram and decided to find out you know, who the IP was from and that's still that's still in the works. But we know we found out you know, where the IP what city what you know what IP Etc etc. And so after I took this measures and I spoke about it openly on my Instagram the Erasmus stop and would only start each time. I would attack diet or protein powder or you know, diet foods and specific things that would hurt someone in the diet industry or do diet industry. But the thing that these people forget is that I'm just this tiny little voice with a tiny little podcast with a tiny little following on Instagram, and I'm all the way I in Monaco writing my fucking gold unicorn so when Michelle came up with her story and you know, I heard it all and then I decide to bring on the podcast so fast, it was too much emotion flying and I have the recordings, but I think we're going to re-record because it was not going the way that I wanted to and let me explain podcasting for my audience is about giving my audience content that It gives them value brings value to them bringing drama and bringing, you know, my own shortcomings or my own issues is something that I do very often on the podcast when I have resolved when I have closure when I have a solution to offer and as we were going with the podcast first, I wanted Michelle to talk about her expertise and what she did today. As a registered dietitian, so she explained that she was more into the holistic aspect of it and all of that but we would keep on going back to to bullying and you know the victims of the diet industry and I didn't like the way that it was going. I was like, this is just going to bring down my audience like this is just going to show an aspect of evil that's out there. But what is it doing for my audience? What is it warning them of are we really going the way that you know? I want is it really my mission and it's not I'm not a journalist. I you know, I love the greater good but I want to stay in my lane. And this was not my Lane. So the recording was not going well either way because Michelle is lovely and I love a lot of parts of what we recorded and I will play some of them eventually we need to re-record so she'll be coming on the podcast we will record and it's That I don't want to give you the raw real story, but it's just it's not my platform. I don't want to be on this quest for drama and for negativity. I want to bring awareness. I want to be able to speak about things to my audience where they can go me too that happened to me too. And what can I do about it? And that podcast was not Going that way. So the recording was not going well because we kept on getting cut off. That's what I was getting to we got on get it cut off which never happens. I mean the provider on this podcast equipment and even regardless of the internet or whatever we use to to speak to someone in the United States. I mean, you've seen II had Lauren on I had Darin I had my friend Elena on we never get cut off like got kind of maybe once While I had I had kg MTL from Montreal it never went like that. Sometimes we'd have a little lag or whatever this kept on getting cut off and I was like, you know what? I'm not so fucking spiritual but I'm a little bit. I'm not religious at all. But I believe in something I believe in God and I love my religion. I'm just not, you know, not religious. But I am I guess I'm spiritual. I guess you could say that. I'm like this is you know, those are signs. This is not going right the mission is not good on this. And so Michelle can't untangle. Let's try again. Let's try again. And then she had to go. She has a busy schedule and I reflected and right away. I sent a message to my soundboard Dara capelin who's also as you know, I speak about her all the time. She's a very very successful but also very Mart publicist to New York City and she's also my very close friend my dear friend. She's been there for me for amazing professional decisions that I've had to make. She's given me the best advice sometimes not what I wanted to hear but I always listen to her and I said to her I don't like the way the podcast is going. This is not my mission. I am not in the business of being a whistleblower. I am doing well. I don't need to I don't need to pull down anyone that is not even in my industry because I don't consider myself in the same Lane as people in the diet industry and at the end of the day, I've helped people recovering from their diet suffering. So people that have heard their guts or lost their hair dieting or lost a little bit of self-confidence dieting. Or lost a period of help them when they come to me, but it's not for me to fight a battle. If they don't want to speak up for whatever reason I have to tell you. I feel like a lot of them are suffering from you know, some type of Stockholm syndrome of sorts where so if you know anything about that syndrome and I didn't this doesn't come for me. I think I think Michelle used the word and she's very accurate. I It it's in some of my clients not all of them that that came from dieting this sort of affection and dependency on their capture now. I don't want to portray anyone that was dieting as a victim. I don't like that and I don't agree with calling them victims, but it is true that there was some sort of Attachment and perhaps also Heidel ization of you know the diet Guru or she's being part of something. I think also being part of a family and all of the sudden because you don't want to abide by the rules that made you so sick and I'm not saying it's making everyone sick. It's working wonders for a lot of people that some diets are working a great deal for people that you know, suffer from cholesterol or people they've been obese or whatever I'm talking about. Is the people that have come to me and yeah, there is, you know a little bit of that that syndrome in them, but it's not my job to speak up for them and I'll tell you why a lot of my audience here. Has dieted at some point but is not necessarily A rescued eggs Dieter. Some people said yeah, I tried dieting my whole life didn't work and then I started gravitating towards your French lifestyle. I like it. I was good before but I'm great now. I mean, you know, I'm not meaning by I'm not saying by any means that I'm thriving on, you know, business-wise on people that have suffered consequences. quest of dieting health-wise, but certainly many many people have had preconceived ideas and philosophies on eating and counting calories and you know carbs and macros and and they feeling relieved with my philosophy and it's working for them with a little bit of humor with a little bit of perspective on the French lifestyle which so many of you You migrate here in the summer and love and you know, so I realized that 90% of my consumers my audience. My followers My Tribe were not people that had suffered at the hands of a diet or a diet organization. And so what am I accomplishing for this audience bring negativity to them drama awareness a 1-800 number that you can call as a Lifeline hotline or whatever. I don't want to do that. And I said this to Darren she said after I said all my points and said this is why I don't want to do this. This is why the podcast with Michel is not going to our best potential. We don't sound like ourselves. We just sound like fucking Advocates rallying but rallying for who no one is picking up. I don't want to do that. I you know, I want to bring value and this doesn't really bring value. I want to bring Think closure. I always bring closure. Even when I speak of an issue that I've had whether it's a hater whether it's you know, Dylan story. I didn't bring on Dylan story until we had closure until we had success until he got is international Baccalaureate magna cum laude with honors and got accepted to law school. I would have not brought you a story when it was still a sob story because my job here my mission here is to bring closure. ER and alleviate pains and sufferings and you know, I guess things you're not so sure about So then I reached out to my shell and said Michelle. This is not us. This is not what you do this. And now what I do you have your story I have mine, but we're good. We're strong girls. We're not victims as a matter of fact. No one is a victim unless they speak up and I think you should come on the podcast and be your expert self and bring something to my audience and maybe I can bring something to your audience with our expertise. And yeah at the end of the day we can speak up a little bit on the workplace in Registered dietitian world that people that feel like they've been you know bullied and this been pushed to have an eating disorder or feel like inadequate if they don't follow a program. They should know that some of the professionals on the other side have suffered the same fate and they are professionals that they can really to that understand that and can still work with them as registered dietitians without promoting a diet with the word diet. In it and she agreed with me and she said you're right. Maybe we were both too emotional to ecstatic to have found each other. You're right. And so we've decided to re-record and this is what brought me to doing this solo because I first I announced I would bring her on and then I decided that that episode was not going to happen until or unless I could bring resolve and unless it was really me and I have to credit not only Dara. My sound board, but I have to credit my friend and client Trish who watched the whole thing unfold and said this is not You Ingrid think twice this is not you. This is not what you do and I totally agreed with her. She sent me a long long time EXT telling me everything that was going well for me and how many people I'm helping her included and how the people that I'm helping. Her included didn't necessarily to hear about this. Shit, and she's absolutely right. And so you don't need to hear about this shit and the only issue with that is that Ted? Thought I was going to do it at the same time that I decided not to and I announced it. I actually posted on Instagram and said Michelle was going to come on the podcast but I didn't like the directions it was the direction it was going in I want to do something that has more value. I want to do something that's more beneficial healthier mentally. Physically interject energetically, you know Good Vibes only and lately my Copy Cow hater / Ted now called Ted hasn't bothered me. She hasn't even copied me lately. It's like she got the message. I went ahead on so much with her that she's finally got the message. So why should I even you know, start bringing her industry down and you know the secrets of that industry. Then it came to my attention at the same time from another client said, you know, it's not just a diet world this this trainer in New York City that takes you out to lunch and when she feels like you've eaten enough lunch of that lunch. She throws a cup of water in it and says you're done eating and I was like what she goes. Yeah. She's a trainer she trains people to very famous. She has some celebrities and Personalities in New York and she gave give me your name. She said you see and then she said this is water is an endocrinologist or something. He likes skinny. So, you know what he does. He gives his patients that he feels her little fat. I diabetes shot like a good for diabetics and to get them to lose weight. So this actually brought me to the realization that yeah diet can be very evil diet organizations can be Cutthroat and horrible and ethically wrong and you can report them if you feel that. Ben, you know mishandled by one of those but it happens in Fitness and it happens in the medical field as well. So who am I to be this sort of whistleblower? That's not what I do. I don't have time for this shit. So it's not going to happen. And so Ted didn't know that I was backing out and I'm calling her Ted because that's what she signed her email and that same night that she thought I was going to release the podcast. She Sent me this hateful your diet as a subject which is very funny because I don't have a diet as you know, saying whore go fuck yourself. And of course it became this whole kind of yeah, I'm a whore. I'm a whore for French macaroons and I'm a whore for bread and pasta and everybody joined in and said, yeah, I'm a whore I'm simply kneeling or and it just became this fun and beautiful uplifting supporting and you know, we're all in it together this whole a man-whore I'm a whore like from all of you made me think of that scene in Sex and the City where Samantha has cancer and she throws her wig in the air as she's giving a speech and all of the women in the audience who are cancer survivors or suffers through their wigs in the air and that was insane and that's exactly what you guys made me feel like when I said, yeah Ted called me a whore Ted my hater my copy cow that you know diet industry tie and who felt threatened by whatever I had coming for her. She thought Called me a whore but yeah, I'm a whore for Pastime a whore for so much so much good stuff in life, but I'm definitely not a whore to diet Nora slave to diet and everybody kind of went me too. Me too. It really reminded me of that scene in Sex in the City, but that's the story. I'm not going to elaborate anymore on this what I can tell you is that diet can hurt. But you can also leave and your body has an incredible ability to recover all of my clients and not just paying clients. I should say all of my tribe members all of my followers that have followed a little bit of my philosophy and many of them consume simply Newland. Some of them didn't because they are allergic to Ragweed for example, or they have FODMAP intolerance and if Are allergic to Ragweed to have full map intolerance. You can have simply Newland, but you can still you can still reap the benefits of my philosophy and the content I put out there and many of them did and some of them got ashwagandha and Maca like I recommend some of them went on v-tex, which is also an incredible herb if you've lost your period and just eating real food in going back to you know, real healthy fat and not being afraid of carbs recovery is out there for you if you Suffered the wrath of dieting and maybe dieting has worked for you. But you feel like it's not a life you want to live anymore, but you're certainly not a victim of diet or sufferer of diet, but the body the bottom line is the body is amazing and can recover and if you've if you're not listening to me, unless you're a hater just trying to spy on the shit. I'm going to say if you here listening to me. This might be your path out of diet. Um, or certainly to Chic French life if anything, or you can be dieting and still applying some of my fundamentals. I don't, you know, I'm definitely not in the diet world, and I don't see myself as being in that lane or a competitor for that matter. I'm like totally other world and like any other world. I think you can still pay the to if you choose to be a Dieter if you need to be or if you A health condition that compels you to follow a certain diet. It certainly doesn't make you following me or my philosophy or having simply inulin incompatible. But whatever the case may be. The body can recover. It's just a question of letting your mind recover. I hope soulmate sense and I hope this was a beneficial content. I hope that this closure in this and that you understand where I'm coming from. So I will bring Michelle Shapiro on the podcast but not for the original. goal, and not for the I don't even know what the goal was because you know, I definitely don't want anything negative or anything like that, but maybe to bring her expertise and her soft approach to being a dietitian being a registered dietitian and I will how you can benefit from seeing a registered dietitian without certainly looking for diets and restrictions and being part of a tribe and you know feeling Someone's ego or your own we're definitely going to find a great way to re-record original podcast. So it can bring you value. It can bring you Solace positivity and most importantly Health self-confidence women supporting women women supporting women supporting women supporting women and none of that other fiction it I hope you enjoyed this podcast. I'm not going to plug in any of my products today just because I don't think it's adequate with this podcast episode. But what I will say is that Savannah my daughter was it was home for the holidays already because schools overridden out just studying for for test when they go back to go back to school. She's here. We're doing the 15-day transformation program with the master. Sessions the method Master sessions. And so you have access to these six sessions on the virtual platform. If you're not a member you can sign up and so we are doing ten days of 70 minutes per day 6 days a week. We're taking a week a day off and this has proven to be so so effective when we did The Retreat and we had two sessions per day equaling to a little bit more than 70 minutes at a time just to have our bro. Body ready for vacation we're going skiing and then I'm going to warm weather right after that. So I just wanted to get like my body on fleek for that. And as you know, I'm also boxing alternatively with my trainer. It was an MMA champion and will be bringing to the retreat as one of my experts but just not going to plug anything else. I'm going to leave in the show notes everything you need to know about the products about about the products about Out the virtual platform about the retreat anything you need to know. I'm not going to plug it in on this episode. I definitely want your feedback on this podcast episode. It's important to me. It gives me direction in. You know, it helps me go in the right direction in how much good I can bring to you rather than just ramble about something. That's absolutely not beneficial to you. And that's my little contribution for today. on this note PCB Zoo from Monaco

If Ingrid ever gets hate mail it’s usually from Diet Industry player. We will call the hater TED. EMAIL FROM « Ted » — subject line: Your Diet — email body: FUCK YOU WHORE *end of email Why thank you DIET INDUSTRY titan ! I am indeed a whore ... I’m a whore for REAL FOOD Ingrid says as she discusses the controversial scary world of diet, the diet rescue missions she has encountered with clients recovering from drastic diets, the victories of getting their periods back, discussing an upcoming guest, American RD who speaks about bullying, harassment, fat shaming in the work place. Ingrid also makes it clear there are no victims you can get off a diet like you got on. Your diet family is not the charles Manson family and your diet guru is not a serial killer. Best of all, your body can and will recover, your hair will grow back, your period will come back, and your confidence is here to stay. This episode is all love no hate. TED can go fuck herself and her diet as Ingrid rides her gold unicorn drinking la piscine in Monaco. Follow Ingrid on Instagram at instagram.com/Ingriddelamarekenny Purchase Ingrid’s COOKBOOK SIMPLY THE BEST in hardcover or softcover book.themethodmc.com Get our new revamped FUCKING BEAUTIFUL SIMPLY L’Huile de Rose Rose Oil from Morocco and the NEW TO GO vials beauty.themethodmc.com Get Ingrid’s Moroccan AMBER ROCKS Simply Parfum d’Ambiance to transcend your home with the smell of French aristocracy meets orient warmth and sexy Arabian moroccan night’s lifestyle.themethodmc.com The EXTREMLY IMPORTANT PERSON program EIP - 3 months of Simply INULIN auto-ship and Luxe Box delivery go here http://tiny.cc/EIP Watch Ingrid cooking class “THE RETREAT EXPERIENCE” how to make her Moroccan kefta style meatballs on our YouTube channel here https://youtu.be/UOqlm7hVZjc Watch Ingrid’s BREAKFAST & BEAUTY EVENT, the retreat experience at Grand Hotel du Cap Ferrat, and find out her favorite skincare, beauty routine and make-up all unsponsored - on her YouTube channel here https://youtu.be/0f0QBguG9J8 Follow THE METHOD® Instagram.com/themethod.mc Follow our product line SIMPLY GANGSTER CHIC Instagram.com/simplygangsterchic Find our Simply INULIN by THE METHOD®|THE BODY - INGRID’s SIMPLY THE BEST E-COOKBOOK & SPICE, and THE NEW PURE PROBIOTIC Simply Kefir Champagne Lacté at shop.themethodmc.com For our amazing FREE GUT HEALTHY FLAT TUMMY Simply Inulin chocolate chip cookies á la fleur de sel and GANGSTER CHIC BRIÔCHES simplyrecipes.themethodmc.com For more info about our transformation retreat go to retreat.themethodmc.com Do THE METHOD Free FLASH WORK-OUTS — no equipment needed Flash-Workout # 1 https://vimeo.com/250033415/a161c4a0f9 Flash-Workout #2 https://vimeo.com254216501/8983e725b8 You can workout with THE METHOD ORIGINAL MASTER SESSIONS from the comfort of your home ANYWHERE ANYTIME by subscribing to the monthly membership at virtual.themethodmc.com The RETREAT EXPERIENCE 50 min workout master session is currently available and newly released. Read the article by HOUSE OF LOREN and her interview with Ingrid De La Mare-Kenny https://houseofloren.com/how-to-conquer-control-a-candid-interview-w-ingrid-de-la-mare-kenny-of-the-method/ BOOK your Transformation RETREAT week for our 2020 session at the ICONIC GRAND HOTEL DU CAP FERRAT - it is currently sold out but you can find more info here retreat.themethodmc.com And email retreat@themethodmc.com to get on the waiting list if you still wish to attend. You can leave us a voice message with questions or comments we may future on the next episode here:https://anchor.fm/pardonmyfrench You can find information about Ingrid’s one on one Mind-Body power mentor sessions here bodymindmentor.themethodmc.com For all recipes mentionned in this podcast FREE at simplyrecipes.themethodmc.com

Welcome to the steroids podcast with your voice Dan the bodybuilder sometime. The steroids podcast is brought to you by Ultimate Guide to roids 109 page ebook by Dan the bodybuilder from Thailand now for the first time in bodybuilding history, you have someone with no corporate interests and no obligation to please anyone not walking on eggshells to not offend. Ultimate God towards gives you the information the whole information the whole truth not a full truth and a half Truth full truth. Ultimate Guide to roids gives you the keys to the Lamborghini gives you the information and lets you decide what to do with it. It's a crime this information has been suppressed this long. Now, let's get on with the podcast. That's it has my curse. That's the intro song guys my curse. You know, the first question for today is going to be by Stephen and this is an important one. Welcome to the steroids podcast. By the way, this is your host Dan the bodybuilder of Thailand, of course who will be returning to Thailand next month. That's right guys. That's right. I got a return to my place of Peace, I got a return to my place of my birth. Not my not my physical birth. But the birth of the character you see today Dan the bodybuilder from Thailand. You know what? I was going to go to Eastern Europe this year. Okay, but it got too late it got too late in the year and now it's winter and I'm gonna have to go in the spring. So I'm going to wait out the winter and Thailand. So the first question today, it's from Stephen and he asks back pain and muscle pain from heavy compound lifts any remedy. Yeah. So the first thing is that if your weight lifter, and you're serious weight lifts, are you lifting all the time? If you're not doing some kind of soft tissue work your life is not going to be as good as if you were so soft tissue work can go from anywhere from getting a massage to doing foam rolling. Or what I do I do a little bit of foam rolling, but I also have this thing called a theracane which is like a cane that reaches around and you can push it into knots in your muscles and and put pressure on them. And then the thing that I do the most and rely on the most is rolling on a baseball or a croquet ball or a lacrosse ball some kind of hard small ball. Personally, I use a croquet ball because it's rock hard and I put all my weight on it and I roll the tissue of the muscles around, you know, wherever I'm having pain or wherever I'm having not so roll the muscles in that area around with my body weight on top of the hard small ball and eye hurts hurts really badly. But if you stay on one spot that's especially sensitive. It will start to get more and more intense the pain and then after about He seconds it Peaks and then you'll feel it start decreasing or the pain draining away until you reach about 45 seconds. And then that's like one session and usually to get a muscle to really like release you got to do anywhere from like 5 to 10 or even 15 sessions and then that causes so many problems in your body that happen because of weightlifting to go away so So when when muscles and you're talking about back pain, okay, so I'm going to I'm going to talk about back pain and how this applies to back pain but hear me out first. Okay, when muscles are put under stress or under strain over and over again repeated body movements the body starts making adaptations to fortify those positions and make those positions stronger if they're like a stressful position. Okay, so this is why when you go Do Asia and you see women who have been hunched over like doing that thing where they squat down and hunched over, you know, they've been doing that habitually all their life by the tumtum time there an Old Woman their spine is like curved because that was a stressful position to be in and they're in it for a long time and then their body because that's stressful position. That's a stimulus their body makes fortifications to make that position stronger and less likely to become injured if something happened. So this also happens with everything you do like guys, you know, when you're typing on the computer or people who have desk jobs people who use the computer a lot people who use a mouse. Okay the top you probably have it. If you're listening to this you probably have this because everybody uses computer so much the top of your forearms your forearm extensor muscles will be like Chord, like and very hard and you can't press them in their not like a flexible muscle and now feel the muscle on the other side where you're not, you know on the side of the your forearm the same as the palm of your hand or fill your bicep feel your shoulder. All these muscles are not going to have that hard texture like that like that the top of your forearms your Forum extensor muscles have okay and your forearms extensor muscles are not supposed to feel like that. They're supposed to feel like every other muscle in your body. Okay, but because these are being used so much the body makes fortifications and that's why people have risk pain finger problems hand problems is say, oh I have carpal tunnel. It's really these forearm extensor muscles are screwed up and so many people have this screwed up and you can feel if you have it right now by feeling around for this hard chord like muscle that is not the texture of all the other muscles. Okay, all the muscles are made of the same material. So if that one is different, it's because there's a problem and it's because of the fact that you're holding your hands in that position all day long. And so those forearm extensor muscles are under strain because they're flexed because if you if the forearm extensor muscles deflects, okay, the hands going to drop and the it's going to drop forward in the fingers are going to be pointing towards the ground. But if those things are contracted like you keep them all day then there. In this contracted position all day long, okay day after day after day and the body starts making fortifications. So it makes these little adhesions. It's a form of connective tissue that go between your fibers and fortify those positions keep them in these knots or hard spots. I went to the doctor for this stuff back went before I knew how to handle them and they told me there's nothing we can do for you. You're just going to have to take Pain pills, so that was totally unacceptable. So that was how I figured this stuff out and when you talk about professional athletes, most of them are having soft tissue work done on them. So something as simple as massage can help you take care of this problem, but if you put your muscles through Through Paths of motion that are very stressful on them. They're going to get these adhesions that keep them in these contracted positions all the time. So you have to do something about it. Another thing that they can do is that they always refer pain to the joints in the area. So that's why the one on the forearms that you get from typing refers pains down to your wrists and make people think they have carpal tunnel. Where that they're getting arthritis in their fingers, but the ones in the back can make you feel like you have back pain or can make it feel like you're having pain when you're trying to breathe in your ribs are needing to expand or can make you feel like you have like sciatica like sciatic nerve pain. Okay, there's the one that is a you know, what this is the most common injection spot. So because this is a common steroid injection spot. This is also up an issue. Because you're doing squatting you're doing deadlifting where you're bending over and that out that outer that upper outer glue area gets pulled in stressed on there. There's this muscle down there called gluteus Minimus and it connects a part of your pelvis to the iliac crest area. That's the part that you can feel if you reach down and feel for hip bones of the of the hips. It contracts just this little part that pelvis and then the leg area part of the femur to this. To this area connects it together. And when you do these movements, it puts a lot of stress on that little muscle there that has that joint connectivity and it gets stressed out and then on top of it you're doing injections into that spot the upper outer glute upper outer quadrant of your glute, you're doing injections that spot as well and the scar tissue adhesions are growing and so you can think you have sciatica which is like a shooting pain like nerve pain down the sides of your legs, especially when you bend over and so Coming from this spot. Another thing is you can think that you have bad discs in your back and it's really these little bony protrusions on the where your hip bones where your pelvis you can feel in the back and you have like those dimples in your hip bones. There's these little like bony protrusions that are the top of your pelvis and those areas that you can feel with your thumbs if you reach back there and if you feel around on those thumbs, you'll feel that like, there's been a muscle on there and it gets sore when you feel it if you have a problem. Okay, and those are the origins of some of the lower back muscles and when they can get inflamed from doing things like a like squatting or deadlifting or overextending or doing these movements over and over again, and so they can they can get inflamed and irritated from having so much tension tension and pulling on them and it can make it can make them contract because of this inflammation that happens there. And these fortifications adhesions they're growing their to make it a stronger position since its irritated on a regular basis. And then when that does that it puts pressure on your discs. And so they feel like a you may feel like you have a bulging disc in your back, but you really don't it's this thing going here, which is like an artificial pressure between your discs and it's coming from these protrusions these little bony protrusions where this it's part of the insertion on some of your lower back muscles where the origin of the muscle starts and then goes across cross and extends your back. So these are these are things that these can cause back pain. Okay, and that was Stevens question was anyway, is there any remedy for pissing back pain and muscle pain from heavy compound lifts compound lifts? And that's the thing is soft tissue work and finding out these little areas that cause these problems a lot of the joint issues that you have. If you go to the doctor and they say we can't treat this there's nothing wrong with you stuff like that where they say like you have tendonitis or you know, you're a young guy and they're like you have arthritis. It's like no man these guys like doctors. They have no concept of soft tissue injury there. Like they're only going on structural things and things that they can see and then they can give you like medication and stuff like that to Your problems this so when you go to them and they said there's nothing wrong with you. And you know, there's something wrong with you. That's when you got to take things into your own hands man. That's how I found out about this stuff working on myself working on myself trigger point therapy trigger point Muscle Therapy is something that can help you help you to relieve old injuries and you know, if you may have a joint injury and you may think that you need surgery You know trying this kind of stuff out first can be a good idea. Alright, next question is from Maurice and he asks, what do you think about using Super Draw 15 milligrams? Every other day is like Monday Wednesday, Friday, Tuesday, Thursday Saturday. Oh, okay. So what he really said was 15 milligrams every other day. So Monday Wednesday Friday and then 40 milligrams on the days that he's not taking a Noir. Tuesday Thursday Saturday Sorry, 40 milligrams and of are on the days that he's not taking Super Draw and then he's going to take nothing on Sunday. So he's doing like a kind of alternating orals on different days throughout the week alternating between super drove 15 milligrams and anavar 40 milligrams and then taken nothing on Saturday on Sunday. So one day a week off completely. I'm assuming he's taking testosterone at the same time. I think that sounds good. I think that sounds like Interesting. So the thing with how steroids work is that they attach to antigen receptors and transmit a message and the Androgen receptor is on the outside of the cell the muscle cell or whatever cell the antigen or steroid is stimulating and it transmits a message to the nucleus of the cell where the DNA is and makes the DNA Express itself differently. Okay. So that's the main way that they work. They also work in other ways like they work. Work completely. They have they have some effects that come on the moment that you take them. Okay, but other effects need to get to that that DNA transmit that message that DNA in the cell in order to start making an effect and doing you know, the full effects or even the main effects of the roid. So with that it makes sense to me that you'd want that constant stimulus daily stimulus in there to be like transmitting that message. Constantly and getting the full effect of the drug, but you will be having that happen somewhat doing it every other day. It won't be but I'm just thinking about how it could be as strong as possible Right This probably won't be as strong as possible. I don't think you'll get the strongest effect from anavar or the strongest effect from Super Draw. Because you're you're not letting them build up in your system and hitting that signal to transmit that message to make your DNA Express itself differently every day. And these things are in and out of your system after about nine hours, you know, they're gone after after nine some of the some of the ones like d-ball. They only they only last like 912 hours, but then other ones of them last like 24 hours. When they're still producing like a noticeable effect on paper at least when you look at studies, that's how long that they're producing effects. But in the real world, I think they produce effects for a bit longer. So I don't really think that I would do that as far as what do you think about Supergirl 15 milligrams every other day alternated with 40 milligrams and of our every other day, it seems like a healthier way. Way to run super draw and then you can also run the and of are in there too. It sounds like every other day to get some gains, but I just don't think that sounds like the optimal way to do it. Next question is from college rower experience using B6 vitamin to control prolactin instead of caber. Okay. I went over this in the last podcast the trend blown episode of the podcast and the answer is that vitamin B6 it it says on paper. Yes on studies that it reduces prolactin, but as far as Using tremble own and being on Trend blown and using vitamin B6 to reduce your prolactin that's going to be that's going to blow up in your face. So no this no this I've experimented with it. It does not do anything in the real world to be able to combat the prolactin effects caused by tremble own. So if you don't have cabergoline or pramipexole on hand and you get those prolactin and do side effects and you Try to attack it with B6. That's going to be a freaking nightmare. All right, next question big Duke asks, how do you inject your glutes? Do you lay down? What are your favorite injection spots? Well, you already know I got an infection from shooting bacteria flesh-eating bacteria laced underground lab gear into my thigh. So I In Italy definitely do not inject there anymore. My my favorite injection spot is the first injection spot that I ever did which was actually my hip flexor muscles on the front. It's like the front outer left and right side of my hips, you know, when you reach down and you feel the the top of the hip bone the iliac crest and you're right like on the on the Frontal Edge if you stand up and you shift your weight between your between your heels on your left and your right side and you stand up straight and shift your weight. You'll see this muscle comes sticking out every time you shift your weight to the to that side the muscle comes and it kind of like protrudes out and flexes and then you shift your weight and then it flattens back against a hip again, you shift your weight to the other heel. So that muscle right. There is like a perfect injection spot and it's really easy to See and it really accepts loyal really well and you can go through Cece's in that spot. And yeah, it just works really really well and you can stabilize to if you want if you're worried about having shaky hands or something then since it's right on the front of your body like that, so it's right between like where your femur inserts where your femur inserts into your hip bone. It's that area. On the out on the front outside where your hip is and so that area it doesn't give me pip like post injection pain and you can do a full three CC's there and you can stabilize it and you can see it. So it's great when people say how do you do glute injections what with glute injections some people do lie down, but I've never done I just turned around because it's supposed to be in the upper outer part of your glute. So, I mean you don't really have to turn that far to do that. And what I do is I just use one hand. I don't use two hands to do it. I just use one hand. And so if I did my left glute, then it would be my left hand that I'd have this syringe and and what I would do is I would turn around so that like I was facing facing the same direction as my my hip, you know, so I turned around like enough so that I was looking to my side and I'm looking to my left side and I'd take that left hand and I'd put it back behind me and I just kind of like Dart the the needle like into my ass and I Into my glute into my glute in my glute muscle, I would Dart it. Okay, and that means that I would like quickly kind of go like kind of like you throw a dart and I would do it just with one hand like that right in that spot. I'd be holding the plastic on the the barrel of the syringe and kind of Dart it like that and then once it was in there a little bit then I would take the rest of my hand and I would slowly start like pushing it down like burying it into the muscle until it was all the way buried to the hilt and then I wouldn't pull back on the syringe or anything like that because you know, it's going to be moving around on the way in there. And then if you pull back on the syringe to see if you're like in a vein or something well like as soon as you let go of the syringe it like wobbles and shit to it's not like veins of these massive things, you know, so It's that's not going to be an issue. That's the way that I do it. And so it's going to be wobbling around a bit anyways to when I'm putting it into and that doesn't bother me. So then once it is buried to the hilt the needle I just go to the top of the plunger and I press it down with the meat of my hand, you know, like the meat of my thumb. I put that I put my fingers like my middle fingers my middle finger and my ring finger around the two little protrusions on the barrel that stick out to help you push. So I put my fingers there and then I put the not my thumb but I put the meat of behind my thumb on the plunger and I push that down I can collapse the the plunger into the barrel of the needle and then after I've done that then I wait about five seconds because if you don't wait a little bit then some of the oil can kind of like come like shooting out of the hole that you just made and I don't like to do that because I just put it in there so I don't want it coming out and so I wait about five seconds. It's still buried to the hilt, you know, and the injection has been performed and then I'm like, okay five seconds and now then I pull it out and I pull it out fast. Just do it in one motion. I just go poop. And then it's out but when I put it in, you know, I'm put I'm doing it slowly. It takes me maybe like one two, three, four, five six seven. That's probably how long it takes me to put it in. Like that's the speed of which I'm pressing the one inch needle until it's buried to the hilt. And then when I when I take it out, it's like food and that's that's the whole thing. Like one or two second one second not two seconds. I just pull it right out in the time that it makes to go foop. That's how long it takes me and then I immediately take my hand or a paper towel or a piece of toilet paper and I press that area immediately because if you don't do that, you can kind of like bleed more or because you know a lot of times. Doesn't even bleed at all. But you know, maybe there's a drop of blood but if you don't press it and you just like leave it it can kind of like bleed for a little bit. So what I do is I just I just immediately put my hand in there and put a lot of pressure on it and kind of like massage it putting pressure in different angles there for maybe 15 seconds 10 to 15 seconds and then and then I'm done. I'm done. That's it. But the first thing that I do always though is I've always got alcohol rubbing alcohol for antiseptic. So for any injection, I've either got alcohol pads that are the swabs or I've got just liquid alcohol that you know, I would pour on to something like a piece of a paper towel and then like soaking it and then rubbing it around cleaning the skin where you to do the injection before you do the before you do the injection. All right, so, yep, that's how I do the injections. Full little injection run down there for you. All right, we're going to get to the next question here more asks, how do you use clenbuterol? Safely? And what are its effects? Okay clenbuterol is the most it's the combination of the cheapest and the most potent fat burner human growth. Hormone is probably the best fat burner. It's kind of a tie with clenbuterol. They're the two most powerful fat burners and You can also both enhance your performance at the same time. So things like T3 that can't really be said for taking T3 all the time. It's not going to help enhance your performance. Although T3 is a really good fat burner, but it's not better than clenbuterol or human growth hormone and T3 decreases your performance. So computer all in human growth hormone are much better fat burners than T3 thyroid hormone. own Clenbuterol can burn fat just by taking the tablets. If you are just eating like clean food and you're eating when you're hungry. So meaning you're not eating like junk food and things that are unnecessary, you know, you're just eating a good healthy diet, you're not eating processed foods, you're eating, you know bro diet if that's what you're doing and you occasionally I meaning like a couple times a week. And not a couple days a week. I'm talking a couple times a week have something else that that's fine. And then you use between if you use about 80 micrograms of clenbuterol per day like 40 to 80 micrograms of clenbuterol per day while doing that and going to the gym and working out. Well, you'll start losing your fat. That's what I'm saying that if you use clenbuterol, and then you do those things you dye it like that and You go to the gym and just do your regular workouts with the weightlifting like you will start losing fat. That's just the bottom line and you don't have to starve yourself at all or go hungry at all. You just have to eat healthy food go to the gym and take the clenbuterol and you will burn fat when you go up onto this stuff. It can be a little bit intense at first because it can make you shake so And it can also give you anxiety and it can also make you feel angry so you can start out at like 20 micrograms per day or you can start out at 40 micrograms per day. And then you can keep it like that for a week and then increase it a bit. So after this on the second week take 40 micrograms or the Second week take 60 micrograms and then like third week take a little bit more 60 to 80 micrograms or so and you'll get a really good fat burning effect out of that and then probably after three weeks take a two week break takes about two weeks for your receptors to get clean again and for it to have the same most powerful effect. It will keep working if you just keep using it longer than three weeks, but it won't work quite as good and so it'll have kind of diminishing effects and you'll get quite a tolerance to it and you'll definitely Need to up the dose in order to keep it working the way that you want it to and that's usually how guys build up the dosage is like because you know, some people build up the doshas dosages around a hundred twenty hundred sixty two hundred micrograms per day usually come in for tea microgram tablets, which can have a pretty it can have a pretty noticeable effect on your heart when you do that also, it will make you really jittery and probably have a lot of anxiety and you can even kind of run into things. On accident a little bit. It's kind of weird, but I mean it burns fat really. Well so clenbuterol burns fat excellently. And you know what the best thing about using clenbuterol is fasted cardio, if you use clenbuterol and do fasted cardio, dude, when you're doing your cardio this goes for human growth hormone to when you take human growth hormone and on a empty stomach so fast did human growth hormone and clenbuterol together is like wow that really works good. But all you really need is computer all and you do fasted cardio and it's like all the energy for that walk that you do. Or that run or whatever you're doing for your cardio just comes from your fat and you start seeing the fat melt off of you fasted cardio works. So good on clenbuterol same with human growth hormone. But yeah, you can keep on using it if you want but you'll probably end up upping the dosages and there's pretty uncomfortable side effects, like really hard heart thumping and So like the heart muscle Contracting really hard harder than you want it to or maybe you can look down at your chest and actually see your chest rising and falling and some like anxiety for irritation. So it's computer was not a fun thing to take just in general. It's stressful and I'd rather not have that stuff in my system, but it's really effective and it's also really cheap. Okay. Next question is from chicken and joy Gaines. And chicken and joy Gaines says, what is it good cycle for someone who is not desperate for gains is willing to wait to make long-term progress and wants to affect Health minimally while looking great and feeling great and Performing like an enhanced lifter in the gym. Okay, cool. This sounds like a moderate guy. He's realistic. But at the same time he is moderate. So haha as a good question man. I'm gonna give you I'm gonna give you The answer that that you're looking for. So if you want a good cycle and you're not desperate for games you willing to wait make long-term progress affect Health mentally look great feel great perform like enhance lifter in the gym. Okay. Well, the first thing is that you got to have a super physiological dosage of testosterone. Okay. So that's going to be 500 milligrams per week, you know 500 milligrams per week. It's possible, you know, very possible to do to do that without having any bad effects on your health markers like on your blood work. So if you make the effort and Fiddle around enough with your diet and some supplements like that with some other supplements like support supplements if you need them, but mostly just fiddling around when your diet you can usually most guys can get their blood work to look good to be all good in the good range on. 500 milligrams of testosterone per week. I'm not a medical doctor and this is not medical advice. This comes from my experience and that's going to be a major one right there. And then and then another one is going to be something like Deca or pre mobile and okay because they both come from they're both used in humans. Okay, you could say equipoise but equipoise is meant for horses. But Prima Bolin and deca have both been used in Humans studied in humans for years and years and years. Okay ever since the 50s and they both have been found to be pretty safe pretty healthy. And if you look at your blood work when you're on them again at low dosages there really won't be anything wrong about that blood work. So, you know, you're not looking to get really big really fast, but you are looking to make long-term improvements. So 500. Rooms with testosterone with two to four hundred milligrams per week of deca or pre mobile and or you could even go up to 500 milligrams of Deco or pretty mobile and per week to go with that. So one gram total of steroids, and then that would probably be the best dosage it dosage is one gram. If you're actually trying to be a bodybuilder. If you're not desperate for gains, you don't need them like super fast super quick, but you want to be a bodybuilder and you're looking for something that you can do long term that's going to not affect your health. As much and you have realistic expectations, then you know, what something like, I wish I could tell you 250 milligrams per week and 250 milligrams of Prima Belen per day. Okay or 250 milligrams of Deco per day. Okay, but you know what that's not going to be enough that's not going to be enough. You will Plateau on that and you won't be looking you won't you'll be just barely just barely starting to reach to where you want to go. Ha ha ha so, you know and 500 500 testosterone and and 200 pretty mobile and or Deca that's that's going to be a lot better that's going to be a lot better. And then if you were wanting to be a little more aggressive than 500 testosterone and 500 pre mobile and or Deca would be enough to get you like jacked as hell if you were doing this for a long time and combining it with the next ingredient that I'm going to say. Which is pharmaceutical grade human growth hormone a to I use per day so contrary to popular belief human growth hormone does not see along take a long time to see the effects. It takes two to three days to see the effects after the first injection. Okay, human growth hormone is one of the quickest drugs at making visual changes to your physique. Okay, it burns fat like crazy and it also fills out your muscles and makes them more insulin sensitive while desensitizing your fat cells to insulin and makes Bigger in two to three days after that first injection. If it's not doing this for you, then you know, it's not legitimate because this is what real human growth hormone pharmaceutical grade human growth hormone does it makes a massive visual change to your appearance two to three days after the first injection and all you need is to I use per day taken once in the morning on an empty stomach when you wake up and you will have this effect when you combine it with anabolic steroids at the same time. Okay. So for I use is better six I use is even better and then more than six I use you get diminishing returns. You start noticing, you know, you're getting more side effects and you're spending a lot of money and not getting near as much bang for your buck to say and you know to I use really gives like a great effect of pharmaceutical grade growth hormone. I'm not kidding you. If you're using pharmaceutical grade to I use per day once in the morning first thing when you wake up injected into the stomach fat makes a massive difference to everything you're doing with bodybuilding to everything that you're doing. It makes everything else. You take work better and it makes you start looking really good. It's awesome. It's awesome. So that's what I would do chicken Joy gains for my cycle if I was looking. How to make long-term progress not desperate for gains affect Health mentally look great feel great perform, like enhanced athlete enhance lifter in the gym, but not be like real grouchy or or anything like that, you know only performing it like an enhanced lifter in the gym. Well, then I would say around 500 milligrams of testosterone with 200 to 500 milligrams of pre mobile and endeca or Deca and to I use of Per week the steroids and then to I use of pharmaceutical grade human growth hormone like Janet ropin or Nordy tropen or serous Tim per day. Alright next question from Maco shark. How do you tell women about your steroid use? How do I talk to my girlfriend about using steroids? Well, this is this is a funny one because people are programmed by their cultures. Okay, so you can't run away from culture if you are in that culture and this is one of the things that I really learned. From going around to different different countries in the world and my home country and everything and seeing that, you know, we are social animals and that that prevailing thought of the majority will always have an effect on your mind and and you can you can have it matter to you in greater or lesser degrees. But because we are social animals, we feel this we feel this and we feel the pressure and there's no way that the the Up think does just have no effect on you. Unless you're like on drugs. It has an effect on you ha ha ha ha so and I don't mean the kind of I don't mean performance-enhancing drugs. I mean something else. So with with talking to your girlfriend about it, if you're living in a culture where steroids, you know male hormones are thought of as evil. Well, you know what say That word that word steroids is going to always cause problems. Okay. So the first thing you need to do is not refer to it by that word because that word is like so tainted and like criminalized, you know, one of the things we with that with that word is that the whole word for is sex steroids. So if you say droids in the way that you say the steroids that build muscles then that definitely includes birth control pills because birth control pills are also sex steroids, like that's why they call steroids steroids because their sex steroids, okay, and the natural sex steroids of males and females are dihydrotestosterone testosterone, estrogen and progesterone and estrogen Those are the natural sex steroids. Okay, and then the male category is things like testosterone or dihydrotestosterone and then derivatives or products of those hormones or there's things that are mixed with testosterone and progesterone the female hormone. One of the female hormones like Deca and tremble own or there's a estrogens and the different estrogen related molecules or that scientists have made little alterations in labs to make the little bits of estrogen. Chords a little bit differently and suppress the estrogen cycle or the sorry, the menstrual cycle more effectively and prevent an egg from being released. So birth control pills work on the same principles as steroids work to limit fertility. So it's the hypothalamus pituitary gonadal axis. So the gonads the testicles are ovaries and the hypothalamus in the brain and the pituitary gland in the brain when you short circuit that hypothalamus. Mick pituitary gonadal access then the reproductive system shuts off and the way that you short circuit that is adding outside hormones or sex steroids to the body steroids from the outside sex steroids from the outside. So birth control tablets are female sex store steroids and tablet form and so they they take the tablets and then their hypothalamus recognizes. Hey, here's the estrogen progesterone that we need in the body. Already have a high enough levels. So then it shuts off the hypothalamus from releasing gonadotropin-releasing hormone, which then shuts off the pituitary gland from releasing luteinizing hormone and follicle-stimulating hormone. Okay, and then that makes their ovaries not release an egg. Okay, so that's how birth control works and that's also the same reason why when you're taking steroids if you are not if you are not taking HCG at the same time, then you're not going to be fertile. Okay, because like literally taking birth control is taking steroids like and it works the exact same way on their fertility as it works for yours. There is literally absolutely zero difference between taking the birth control and taking muscle-building steroids in the effect that they have on female body and a male body. It's the exact same thing. So the first thing with talking to your girlfriend about taking steroids is that she has to know that that if she's ever taken birth control pills she is taking steroids. Or she's taking birth control shot, you know, whatever any kind of hormone treatment for her fertility. Then she has taken steroids and you know, then it just comes down to oh, well, you know, why does the government provide females with their steroids for free and say it's like some kind of human right? But with the male hormone testosterone in the hormones that can come from it. Why are they considered evil something? You can't speak of something not to be proud of and illegal drug and you know something that they're like threaten you to like be taken to jail for you know, you really start seeing you know, that is corrupt. And there's a lot of really corrupt systems and corrupt things happening in our society right now you talk about what they're teaching students in colleges and universities. It's it's really It's really destroying the Western society. And especially the white people like the white people of the world in the west are under attack right now. And you know, it's crazy that I'm talking about this when when you talk about how do I talk to my girlfriend using steroids? But you know, you have to be blind to see that, you know, things are not being tilted too. Mean to frame white people as the devil and stuff like that. So by the media and by universities schools Etc. So telling your girlfriend about it, you just gotta tell her that you know, that's what they are is they're sex steroids their hormones. They're male hormones. They're not some kind of diabolical molecule. They're not meth the frickin hormones man their hormones and they don't change. They don't get you high. They don't change the way you feel too much. So, you know, those are telling her telling her you know what you're If you feel inclined to tell her, you know what you're doing because she might not know you can tell her that well the real thing man is that if you want to do something you just just do it. Okay, because it's your life and why would you need permission to do something with your life and your body from a woman? That doesn't make any sense? So if you Want to do it then just do it and tell her that you're doing it. All right next question. Jorge says, holy shit. Do you believe one gram of test is responsible for your recent strength gains? He is seen people doing Roy Woods for a long time and they don't have that kind of strength. Okay, what I wanted to tell you what so he's asking about how to get strong and how to use Jorge's asking about how to get strong and how to use roids for strength. Yes high dosage testosterone is seriously beneficial to this and I mean since since the 70s and 80s and you know, possibly even earlier guys, American and European gems for powerlifting would be taking one vial of testosterone. So two thousand five hundred milligrams of testosterone per week and often similar dosages of deca the same time, but for some just the testosterone so the Synergy of carbohydrates and testosterone makes you really strong really fast. And when I do that high testosterone above one gram, and I combine that with a high carbohydrate diet I will be one when I first start doing that each time. I will be adding 5 to 10 pounds on the weight that I use on every single lift for and I'll be adding that every workout. So the same amount of reps. So one workout, you know, I'm doing the dumbbell bench with like 120 pounds each hand for 10 reps or something. Well, you know what the next workout, you know if I was eating enough Herbs, and I was on that much testosterone, you know over a gram preferably a little more than Graham. You know, I I could legitimately be you know, lifting 130 pound dumbbells for 10 reps the next workout or that's a little bit much because it's dumbbells. I would like to say 125s, but they don't have 125s at my gym because that would be a little more realistic but, you know five to ten pounds increase on bench for the same amount of reps squat deadlift Etc. That's it's really Lee impressive the strength gains that you can get from high testosterone and a high carb diet and one of the most important things is sugar right after the workout if you're looking for that strength, and also if you're looking for that size and pumps to the maximum is the first thing that you do when you finish that workout is eat like sugary candy and the muscles soak it up so fast, it's crazy. If you add oral steroids or tremble own to high dosage testosterone to above 1 gram. That's where those steroids really shine when you just use. Like high dosage and a draw or high dosage tremble under something, but the the testosterone isn't high enough. Yeah, it's good. But the Synergy of having more than one gram 1 gram or more of testosterone. Sorry or a minimum of 750 milligrams. Testosterone per week is going to make such an incredible difference in your performance in the gym and how big you get and just your whole steroids experience in general. So, yeah, you need to be using high dosage of testosterone in order to be getting the most out of every other steroid you use so and you can use lower dosages with other steroids to if you're using over Grandma testosterone a grandma More than things like Fifty to a hundred milligrams of Anna draw per day or 350 milligrams tremble on per week or 10 to 20 to 30 milligrams Super Draw per day or 30 to 50 milligrams or even up to a hundred milligrams of Dianabol per day. It will like set those other compounds on fire. Okay, when you have the high testosterone and you take those kinds of dosages, which aren't that high? Of those other compounds it will set them on fire and you have the greatest Cycles. That's the thing with testosterone is that when you have a lot of it in your blood. Oh my gosh, it just makes the other steroids. Like it's like pouring gasoline all over them. It's like giving them NOS. Okay, and then human growth hormone takes that up another level but instead of just doing it in that way. It does it in a in its own way where it just makes your whole body. Better just makes everything look better pretty pretty incredible drugs. But the thing is is that these are both bioidentical hormones that have this effect these really amazing incredible effects. So human growth hormone testosterone, your body knows exactly what to do with both of those chemicals because it makes them naturally you give them good dosages of those coming from the outside and your body responds. That's I mean Point Blake that's the way it is. Your body knows exactly what to do with them and then you throw On little dosages of other things like a little bit of clenbuterol a little bit of Dianabol a little bit of Anna draw a little bit of super draw a little bit tremble own medium bit of Prima Bolin medium bit of Deco stuff like that, you know, if you put on any of those things and you put in that with those High dosages of testosterone with a dosage like two to four I use per day of pharmaceutical grade growth hormone. That's when the magic happens. That's when you get the physiques that you see that's what you get the physiques that you say. Say wow, you see that and you think that looks like alien like how could I ever get my body to look like that? Like that does not look like something that that you know, it looks like this it's not the same species or something. If you ever look at like pictures and you're wondering about that like doing this thing's okay this the high testosterone dosage with a moderate human growth hormone level with a bit of this other stuff sprinkle in these other anabolic sprinkled in this is where you're Going to you know, when you start doing that on a regular basis. Well, that's when you start getting the look that you know, you see and you think they come they got to be from another planet-- man. They've got something I don't have this is what starts and this is what starts doing that for you bringing that into the picture. Alright next question. Is from body power and he says I'd like your opinion regarding Long Esters Deca bouldin on with half-lives of 14 days. Plus I know back in the day. It was not uncommon to inject every two weeks. I see the sense in this but what is your point of view? Yeah back in the old days. They did inject less frequently. They would inject things like a lot of testosterone wasn't really used except for with powerlifters. Okay until the He is really before that before the 90s bodybuilders weren't really big testosterone users or big testosterone fans. They just weren't most people before the 90s your average body builder did not use testosterone some did use a bit but your average bodybuilder did not before in the 90s. That's just the way it was. Most of them used debolt as a replacement for testosterone. They used D ball because the ball has a lot of testosterones effects and used to be prescribed for trt at 10 to 15. Milligrams per day by doctors in the 50s 60s. So most of them were using D ball instead of testosterone to get those biological effects proper sexual functioning Etc. And they would combine this with Decca or bouldin on equipoise. And yeah, they would take the tablets every day or they take the wind straw or the dig the anavar those were all popular but they would take Sometimes something like four hundred six hundred or three hundred or even 200 milligrams of DACA or bouldin on sometimes Prima Boleyn, but most people couldn't get that per week. But some guys took huge dosages like some guys were taken like, you know, okay, some guys were taken dosages like three CCS per day of deca. So like 300 Milligrams per day of deca and they would do that every day. And so they'd get you know two grams of deca per week. And then other guys were running those smaller dosage has generally as far as your question goes with how often to inject them man. These things always work better when you're hitting it like over and over and over again is like consistency matters so much in bodybuilding and yeah like they were Fine, you know obviously those guys, you know, a lot of those golden area are guys were injecting less frequently. And yeah, they worked fine, but like doing it like that it worked fine, but it's going to be more effective to be injecting it all the time and you just notice this with bodybuilding in general and then performance-enhancing drugs in general to with like every single one of them. It's like the more consistently you're hitting it and the more consistently you're giving your body that stimulus The more consistently you're doing that training the right way the more consistently you're hitting that same food every day with the diet every day. It's like everything just falls into place more efficiently and better and that's the way that I felt even with testosterone like like an ante or or sippy innate or Susteren on it's like, you know those long Esther ones. It's like yeah, it doesn't really make too much of a difference but it does make a bit of difference going from injecting only once per week to three times per week or you know, even those ones every day. I've done that injected them every day and they just work better like that. They just do it and that signal all the time bro science alert Bro Science alert. So yeah same with the DECA and building on I always think that hitting hitting Whatever you're using as often as possible, if you're looking for the best results is the best way to do it. But do you need to do that know? How often do I inject an anti? I inject it two or three times per week. How often what I inject Deco or bouldin on I would inject it two or three times per week. You know, that's just my personal preference. Will it work if you're doing it once an injection once every one week? Yeah. That'll probably be if you want to do it the most efficiently then at once per week should be the minimum I think and then if you want to make it not quite as efficient, but still working good. Then you could go once every two weeks. There's these tools online. One of them used to be called the steroid calc.com. I don't know if it's still a website. I don't know if it's still available. But this website steroid calc.com Had a graph and you could graph your cycle and look at you know, how many milligrams of hormone we're going to be released on what day compared to how many injections you were doing per week and how often you were injecting per week and it would show you you know, where your levels would be each day during the cycle based on the injections and the information that you put into the graph. So that's a tool if you would like to see where your blood levels are at. It used to be called. Steroid calc.com I don't know if that's still the website but steroid cycle calculator on Google. That should get you there. Next question is from Zach next cycle planning on incorporating equipoise into the mix as a main Mass driver, probably 350 to 500 milligrams to stas drone and six to eight hundred milligrams equipoise. However, I've heard equipoise can have a strange effect in some users where it crashes estradiol. I've only heard this from my juicehead friends. So your opinion on the matter would be appreciated man. Yeah, it does so equipoise. Creates a different kind of estrogen than estradiol. So there's two main estrogens that are natural and one's called estradiol and one is called s drone and so those are abbreviated estradiol is e 2 and S drone is E1. So if you use a bowline on equipoise when the aroma taste enzyme the thing that transforms male hormones into female hormones, but it only does it to some of them like it transforms testosterone into estrogen. but then something like Winstrol, it can't even aromatize enters enzyme can't interact with Winstrol so it does nothing but when it interacts with the aromatase enzyme interacts with equipoise Boldman on it turns it into Astro Nori one instead of testosterone turns it into when it when testosterone interacts with the aromatase enzyme it turns into estradiol or E2 and that's the more potent estrogen in the body as strong is a Potent estrogen in the body they both hit estrogen receptors, but estradiol is more potent than S grown. So on a blood test if you were using equipoise without testosterone at the same time and you went to get an estrogen test and they tested for your estradiol E2 levels while they might come back up at zero because since you didn't have any testosterone being converted to estradiol and you only had equipoise in your blood being converted to Tu es trone well, they're probably not going to be having s drone E1 reading when the data for the test is usually always estradiol levels E2 so that's how that would work. If you added testosterone at the same time, then that wouldn't be a problem that wouldn't happen. That would only happen like that where it crashed the estradiol which I don't even know if that would be a problem. I don't think that would be a problem. I mean Deca does this to and people love Deco only? Testosterone they say works way better the guys who do that. I don't do that. I don't use Deco with no testosterone but the guys that do they say that they like that and that it's way better than with testosterone. Alright, next question is from Jax. Is that true that after 6 to 8 weeks, we need to switch steroids to keep myostatin low and it seems that lots of Pros don't switch between steroids. Yeah. So myostatin is kind of like shbg actually the more steroids that you take the lower that myostatin gets and also there's good data that creating lowers myostatin, but you know, The main model of the story with steroids is that more is always better and that the more you take the bigger and stronger you get okay. So whenever we reduce the dosage or stop taking them you go backwards, you know, so it's always more is better always seems to be the theme not that that's a good thing or a good modus operandi a good way to do it, but it just seems to be the For just looking at the facts that seems to be the way it is. Next question is Marco. 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Alright guys, so a lot of people access how do they make a podcast? I'm let you in on a secret on the easiest most productive way to start a podcast and get it up and running and that is the app called anchor is free. They have all kind of cool creation tools that allow you to record and edit your podcast right from your phone or computer. They would distribute your podcast for you to all of the major Outlets including spot.Why Apple Google many more and you can make money from your podcast with no minimum listenership is everything you need to make a podcast in one simple easy place. So if you're interested in starting a podcast Go download the free anchor app or go to Anchor dot f m-- to get started. Let's do it. All right guys episode 6 time flies. This is our sixth edition. We got a lot to cover this with a lot going on a lot going on in our world. It's for sure a lot going on. So first of all before we start we want to say thank you guys for Rocco want to thank you for your feedback. Thank you for your DM's your messages, very encouraging shoutout to UK. Yeah that out to South Africa and all of our International listeners all over the world. That's always love when we get to International feedback because it's like wow the reach is so strong. It's like extremely humbling and it's gratifying to know that not just here in the United States we listening but the message is being spread. So that's do Max don't it's definitely don't for sure. So, all right, we're going to jump right into it with the number one sports topic of the week Zion Williamson and the Duke Blue Devils. So if anybody that is not in tune with what's going on, Duke North Carolina big rivalry, probably one of the biggest rivalry in sports. Not just not just because basketball Sports period right so You had a game and that's like their rival. So they had a game and Zion being the star that he is right now and he is the Phenom of college basketball. So the tickets were selling for I think 10 up to $10,000 on some sites of 5,000. Mm. So they were actually comparable to resale prices for Super Bowl today. According to Vivid Seats. The price of some of the price is actually higher. Her than the lowest Super Bowl ticket. Yes crazy. So the game comes and everybody's this Spike Lee's dear David Robinson. Is there President Obama's there's it's crazy. Right and then in a freak accident the first play of the game in the first 30 seconds Zion literally blows his sneaker apart. I've never seen that in a game before blows the sneak-up part and it's done. He's hurt Mound he's spraying so, you know, we want to wish him, you know speedy. Reality is a very weird and very unfortunate situation. But the whole conversation brought into a lot of different things that need to be talked about and need to be addressed. And really the number one thing is the revenue that college sports in particular big-time college basketball on big-time college football brings in and we need to look at that. Yeah. I mean one of the things that immediately came to our attention was like is it worth? With him playing again, right because this guy is obviously going to be the number one pick in the NBA draft and the summer and he's set to me millions of dollars from his NBA contract as well as any shoe deal on shoe company that signed them and people are arguing. Hey, this kid is a student. He should not be paid for his service. Yeah, so that when people are saying I do, you know you getting paid in a scholarship and all that, but I don't think people fully understand how complex the situation and so that's what we Here we try to make very complex situations easy to understand for everybody. So that's what we're going to do. Hopefully with this right so we'll look in March Madness. Yeah, right. So March Madness, it's a fitting time since we're at the end of February and March Madness will be coming up in a few weeks. So March Madness is a three-week basketball tournament for division one basketball that determines the national champion, right every year, you know, you fill out your brackets big taunting you You you know watch the games you have the buzzer beaters. You have the final four since the whole deal, right? So the NCAA, right? The NCAA is the governing body for College athletics, right? So the NCAA their main source of Revenue is March Madness. Yeah, and the March Madness is like you said there's is a almost a month of basketball games 64 teams make it in obviously just over 30 plus games every weekend. Fuel gets to handle down but the money that is gross is no no, it's crazy. All right, so marshmallow marshmallow 2017 three weeks of March Madness the NCAA made 1 billion dollars, right? Yeah for the first time its record-breaking and I can bring him out. That's how much revenue they make. Yeah, the American gambling gaming Association says the number of brackets will hit 70 million. I mean 70 million people who play brackets office pool. Fools gambling friends bars, whatever right? Nine point two billion dollars is gambled on the tournament. Right? So the NCAA makes 1 billion nine billion is actually gambled on it. So that represents 90% I want that 1 billion dollars represents 90% of the ncaa's annual revenue. Then Warren Buffett have a billion dollar contest. Yeah for breakfast a billion dollars. So in 2010 the in Double-a signs of 14-year deal with CBS and Turner for ten billion dollars for March Madness, right? So to cover the tournament they have a TV deal for 10 billion dollars, then in 2016. They have an extension for twenty thirty two four eight more billion. Yeah. So the first contract is supposed to run from 2010 to 2020 for they see how lucrative It Is by 2016 there like, all right, let's hurry up. I'm going to re-up now so we can keep the rights to it. So CBS has a few channels and networks. Obviously TNT is Turner Sports and they have TBS and I think TruTV those are the fourth necklace that cover. Yeah, so - so you don't miss a game anymore. We used to only was like Channel. It was only CBS when we used to watch it and then it right now we got to cover all these games now you can't miss a game. So, all right. So how the money is broken down is interesting and it's very complexed. So I'll try to make it. You understand? It's possible 96% of that billion dollars goes to members membership different colleges, right? They break it down. So each conference gets a piece. So they have 220 million dollar pot from the NCAA tournament. Then they split it up amongst conferences. So each game that a team wins their conference gets paid. All right, right and then the further they go in the tournament the more money to conference gets paid for it. So example of a compass would be like the ACC or big he's big too. 12 sec. Those are accomplices Pac-12, right? Exactly. So then from the from there it's up to the conference to break it down to the individual teams. So it's a hierarchy system NCAA gets it then they give it to the conferences and then a conferences get gives it to the team sorry, right? So it's like a three-tier system. So but the problem is that when people say it's not as easy as just paying so you look at it you say okay. This is making billion dollars. They have it. Billion dollar deal. How come the athletes aren't getting paid. Well only one-third of the team's I actually profitable exactly right. So two thirds of the teams aren't actually profitable. So the one-third of the teams that are profitable they are paying for the two-thirds of the teams that are not profitable. That's just basketball, right but the NCAA has a bunch of different sports, but it almost every single sport except for basketball is not profitable, right? So now you have pretty much a handful of teams, right? In the grand scheme of things that are funding every program, right? So it's like the kid who plays golf or or the kid who plays LaCrosse or baseball feel really great. And then there's a thing called Title Nine, right? So Title Nine came in years ago and that made it where you have to have an equal amount of women teams as mentink, right? Whatever sport you're offering have to offer right for both. So now that cut the budget even more and now Big Revenue sport is paying for not just every male but female sports as well. Yeah, so it's a very diluted system that they're using the top-tier money earners to pay for everybody. Yeah, right. So then it gets even more complex because that's the NCAA is basketball with a real money is made is football. So the NCAA one football department is different from the NCAA. So now we have to go into football. Yes. It's football is is a huge generator of money because number one it's simple math, right? If you have 80 to a hundred thousand people coming to watch one sporting event and paying $100 per ticket. You're going to gross way more than Arena that holds twenty thousand for basketball, right? The only thing is I get basketball has more games but if a team has eight home games in a sellout which they do like these big school sell out every game and it getting the Hundred and ten thousand people who come in it fails a comparison now it's different. So okay. We added we looked at Forbes list for 2018 and the top five football teams their revenue, right? So the top football team was well, we'll start with number five number five was Ohio state. They had a revenue of a hundred twenty million and they had profit of 69 million. Okay, then we go to Alabama a hundred twenty seven million price revenue and 59 million profit Michigan's number 327 million 75 million profit, Texas Longhorns number to 133 million with 87 million dollars of profit in the number one team football team last year with Texas A&M with revenue of a hundred and forty eight million with a hundred and seven million dollar profit. This is just for clear and and tears nothing to any other sports just couple that sounds like that's just generating money for the school as well. Like you said and the one thing we know about Texas is football is King. Right. There's a reason why the Cowboys are the most profitable team in NFL. So not only are they generating money, but we took a look at where the money is going. So when they argue hey athletes shouldn't be paid because they're going to school for free. Well, here's the breakdown. So those numbers that you just ran off, right so we can talk about how much is going to scholarship. So from that money that was there are generated from Ohio State about 20 million of that goes to school to school scholarships for all the sports. So they made a hundred and twenty million, right? And when he went to scholarship, that means that we're done with all the hundred go we're going to get this so number four you say Alabama. They spend 17 million in scholarships. Okay, then number three, Michigan. We have 25 million in scholarships number to Texas. They have 13 million in scholarships. And it number one, Texas A&M 10 million in scholarships. And the reason Texas A&M is number one this year is because the a lot of people don't know is like they have a large amount of boosters that donate money to the program. That money just gets put into a pile of Revenue because we're giving it to the university to help improve conditions. Number. One thing they want is they want their football team to win. That's it like that absolutely comes down to we want our football team to win will pay money will hire national championship coaches from other schools. Just so that we can win the Texas Longhorns has to have their own network. Yeah that so that's crazy like that is in itself. There's they're like not to cut you off but it all conversation of this is In our conversation that literally can take an hour, right? Because like I said, there's so many different levels involved with how much money is being generated you have bowl games. You have TV contracts. You have the big 12 at they have the big 12 Network. So Texas is in the Big 12 Conference there in the yes. Yes, everything 12. Yeah Big 12 has his own network, right, but the Texas Longhorns have their own network. They have their own completely separate of the Big 12 and we get that here in New York like before the big He's the before ACC SEC had their own channel Texas the school the University of Texas had its own channel and they still have their own challenge shows you nothing but Texas and exclusive access really what they want to see is football. No, it's different. It's different and they can we just go because we don't want to do this topic for too long, but it's such it's so crazy. Right? So we have to talk about the coaches how much money they make right? So the coaches are the guys who bring the recruits to the school and they make money they make money. From their own contracts and again and also the top for how much of the top football coach mate Nick Saban. So I mean one of the greatest coaches of all time 8.3 million less University of Alabama. Yeah, Nick Saban made 8.3 million. How much did the top basketball coach make so Coach K made a point. So nine million dollars last year and salary dude, that's to do coach ironically enough. Yeah, let's talk about Zion in private school too. So so Duke, yes private school and the coach makes nine million dollars a year. All right. We wanted to go through the list of coaches because there's that's crazy. Then we got endorsement deals. That's another Avenue at they make money. Right? So the number one endorsement deal team is UCLA. They get 12 million dollars from Under Armour right? You have Louisville gets ten million Texas going to make it nine million. Yep. So now you have ten million dollar twelve million nine million dollar endorsement deals in top of on top of TV on top of merch but So they're going to want more category. Yeah stadiums, right? So the largest how much how many people you think the largest football stadium College College Stadium polls. I mean, I'm gonna say a hundred twelve thousand a hundred and nine thousand. Okay, let's Michigan Ann Arbor, Michigan University football stadium holds a hundred and nine thousand. They sell out every game every single game how much money you think they make an offer that they have a hundred and nine thousand. That's a town. Yeah. The country and 9,000 people fit in their foot. That's more than NFL stadiums whole. Yeah, there's plenty of that don't hold on something Arena and so like from that so that that money that they generate those schools from the football right some of those that others are other category. So yeah, the scholarships are one the coaching and Staffing is a budget and then they have the other budget so and the others that could be for facility. So then they add wings to a stadium or they add a new training facility. at a university, but you know what the best part about this whole situation is NCAA is a nonprofit organization. Tell us about that plot twist. That's it. That's the craziest part. We all this money that's generated the NCAA the nonprofit organization. That's a different conversation. Now we have to go into a personal story the personal you know, what I'm going to start the personal story because I remember like I was big on video games and in the early 2000s they have this game called March Madness and at that same time you were in school. Yeah, I never forget that conversation. I'm like, yeah, I'm playing March Madness. So prior to my Korean business. I was a basketball player who dabble in basketball a little known fact, I was a division one basketball player, right? So I played D1 for two years. So yes the EA Sports. Yes EA Sports, which is if anybody's familiar with sports EA Sports is video games. That's they make Madden. They may well NBA Live used to be a thing that so much anymore, but man and his then is their top game right now. So they had to EA Sports used to have video games for college football and college basketball. Yep division one college football in division one college basketball and they had every Division 1 school and they had the players lightness. They had the name, but they had their likeness they couldn't say your name, but they put your number and like your attribute. So if you were a good shooter, then your rating was like an 80 or above us. All right. So what was that like 2001 was in college, I think 2006 something like that. I don't know around that time. Yeah. Mid-2000s. Oh, yes, when I was in college University of Maryland Baltimore County D1 school number 15. I was number 15 before I was using you in the game and yet he was playing with it was crazy because we used to so we was just happy, you know being in college. I never was a really good why I never really was a really good video game player. I wasn't in the video games, but my friends with my teammates were so we would go and we would play video games, but it was just cool to see somebody that it was made in your likeness. Like it looks like me right like so I'm like, that's kind. Crazy like to have some light in my likeness on a video game. We wasn't thinking that they was using us and we wasn't getting paid. Yeah. So what somebody did right Ed O'Bannon does a different story a little bit shout out a fair shot at Opana so they could people only know that will benefit this but this guy was like the national player that you know better if you don't know who at opening is do your research. Yeah, 1995 UCLA national champ play of the year, but he's like a legend nap, but then he changes so he changed the game completely because he realizes that Be a sports. So we talked about all these other Revenue sources Right video games billion dollar industry EA Sports making million dollars a year and the colleges are getting paid off for that as well because they have to license their name to use them in the video games. So the college is getting paid millions in EA Sports again pay millions from video games, but the kids wasn't getting any money so they have a class action lawsuit and they want yeah. So what happens is that anybody that played the vision? One sports football basketball I think like from a 10-year period that was featured in that video game with part of that class action lawsuit and lo and behold I was part of that class action lawsuit touch your chest. Oh, they cut me a check cut me a check so around like probably like three years ago four years ago. I get a check for like $1,800. Look at that wasn't bad. I tell you why it's just goes to show you that there's so many different ways. How colleges are making money a lot. so I know this argument that students are getting scholarships and that's payment and it look it is valuable because I was I was on a scholarship. I didn't have to pay for college. I appreciate it my college experience, but but we can't act like a nonprofit organization that makes billion dollars a year and schools that are making billions and millions of dollars off of two sports. We have to find a way to fairly compensate the players or if we're not going to compensate them. Then we at least have to let them go into professional sports out of high school if they choose to and not make them go to college so you can't make somebody go to college and then not pay them the only thing a mature about this is that they don't get paid. Hey, they said I was too immature. It's really a farm system. Like it's like the minor leagues like because in NF and football, you can't just go. Trout yeah, you can't go unless you do three years, right and MBA and they're trying to change that. Now you have to go for at least one year. It's a free trial. But in other sports, that doesn't hold true, it doesn't hold true. Yeah. So like if I wanted to play golf I can do that as a teenager hockey teenager baseball teenager Sokka, I'm afraid of you. Do I went to school with Freddy Adu highly suspicious the body wasn't 14. I don't know that's a different conversation highly suspicious that football and basketball. all Are the only sports that require you to go to college extremely suspicious look at the population of the people who play those boys extremely suspicious. Yeah. Alright. Okay. Well, hopefully we can change it and then in the near future, absolutely. Ernest you currently paying off student loan debt interested in improving your financial literacy or looking for new ways to earn income and today's ever-changing digital landscape. Well on the talk money with the mesh lakhani podcast mesh will follow Paper Trails chat with experts break down complex ideas and bring Clarity to the mystical Financial phenomenon. Each episode will be filled with compelling stories covering a broad range of subjects from buying Bitcoin dealing with student loan debt and everything in between. So listen to Money with mesh lakhani on Spotify or wherever you listen to your favorite podcast and learn how to spend invest in earn in today's economy. All right. So we're gonna move into the right into the next topic will start with the line the middle set it and so on trauma they toe cap stand up if you want to play for a team and all his teammates didn't say anything stay woke. So one of the things that happened is in the past week was that the NFL reached a settlement with Colin Kaepernick in his case of collusion against him so it's pretty interesting because people are taking different size on it. A lot of people are saying Hey cap sold out because he said And other people are looking at like yo, he won because the settlement in a sense means that there's some form of guilt that the NFL had now we'll never know because of the terms of the conditions of this element. So it's a different type of take on it, but we're going to go into a different approach. It's different. Yeah, but even before we even go into that it's you know, nobody knows how much money you got paid. It's rumored that he got a hundred million. Yeah, that's saying between 6080 million. Yeah, even I heard a hundred but let's say is a hundred Hypothetically speaking, right. So I mean that is a lot of money a hundred million dollars a lot of money, right but in the grand scheme of things if you think about is 32 NFL teams, right? So they divide that equally amongst each other that's 3.2 million per team part owner, which is 9 into them. I drop in a bucket a drop in the bucket, right? So I mean it delete made 14 billion dollars last year, right and he lost his salary right? He was getting I think the the he was on Pace to make 20 million dollars. We had two more years I graduated after out of his contract, but he opted out with it the intent that he was going to sign another deal. So alright. So Colin Kaepernick before we even go into the plot twist on it. Ratings are down here. Right? So you want to go down so from to so cap starts his protest for social injustice specifically police brutality in 2016, and he's out 2017. So the ratings go down for two years in a row now last year the ratings did go up 5% for the NFL but a lot of that could be true contributed to the surprise of these like teams and great players like so example The city right? Nobody expected Mahomes to have that type of season. So people watch and you know the Tom Brady story, right? Can he do it again? So people watch and they just happen to have great games on prime time to on Sundays and Monday nights so that helped with the ratings, but for two years it was going down now their ultimate game, they're suitable actually did go down and ratings and some people are tripping it. So it's about 3 million people. That was a seven year low. Yeah, so this year was 98 million. Yeah, which is a low 11-year law in 2008. So for some people attribute a to the Kaepernick effect. Yes, we don't know but probably it has something happened. Yeah, I mean people on social media saying look when we stand with cap and I think we taking that stance that we stand with cabin is nothing against anybody who is in the armed forces like we we love and support all forces and understand that their job is Honorable, but we are We looking at it from both sides. So the Armed Forces. That's what this whole thing was spun into right? Yeah, he was he was just had it was protesting for police brutality police brutality and people were saying this is not patreon. How do we get to this point with no? No, no, certainly. Didn't question. How do we get to this point with Armed Forces? Hmm, we're good. So when we grew up watching NBA and NFL this we didn't think about this. This is not something we thought about it's no it's a new thing. It's like over the Ten years. It's become a we say the thing people don't know the national anthem right played before again and televised. Yeah, it's not something that has always happier start. So that started in 2009 teams and owners were saying hey, we want to show signs of patriotism, right? So, how can we do that? Well, we'll come up with a list of things we can do will broadcast a national anthem will have flyovers will have flags that are field length, right? We'll have our players standing out during the national anthem to show signs of pages and they even started and people probably didn't realize this but they started to do surprise visits from troops who had been overseas and they came home and surprised their families little did people know. That the Department of Defense was painful it so plot twist. The Department of Defense paid the NFL 5.4 million dollars between 2011 and 2014 the National Guard paid six point seven million between 2013 and 2015 to do these ceremonies and it's in their budget as recruitment item. Yeah, so How did this all come about? John McCain, ironically enough. So John McCain and Senator Jeff Flake both emotionally, but the reason why this is so ironic is that John McCain rest in peace, he if you don't know his story, obviously you probably heard of him, right? He was a Senator he ran for president he lost but he was also a PO W if I think like seven years right in Vietnam, and he broke his arms he torch a torch them severely right so he came home and he became Endured by the public because he didn't he didn't he didn't fold could they could have let him go because John McCain's father, I think was a politician very powerful man, and they actually offered him his freedom, but he said he wouldn't go until all of his comrades with free Dre. So long story short. John McCain is a war hero. Yeah. That's right. So he looks into this him and Senator Jeff Flake or both Republican Senators, and they Find paid patriotism, right? So he is offended by this right because he feels that you can't pay for patriotism, right? You can't pay under the Gaze of this is just being done out of the goodness of our heart right where we are patriotic. That's why we're doing this you're paying NFL owners as a recruitment tool here to recruit to the armed services. Yeah, so part of Of it is that they didn't only play the NFL they paid the NBA they paid soccer but and Major League Baseball, but out of that budget, right? So I think maybe 6.9 they did in 2015 6.1 million of that 6.9 million went to the NFL and it didn't even go to all teams. It just went to the top 16 highest rated team. So like the Giants two Jet's the Patriots Washington it was so when they looked so John McCain and Jeff. Look into it, right and they find out that there's a hundred and twenty two contracts between the Pentagon and sports leagues. That nobody knew about exactly they didn't make this public. They just found it. So when they found out about it, they feel they need to make it public. Right? So they have a whole investigation the pay patriotism thing comes up John McCain valves to change it. He doesn't because it doesn't change but it's still something that not a lot of people are fully aware of right ironically enough the year that John McCain and Jeff Flake. Made this investigation was 2016 2015 start with 15 next year and then the next year Colin Kaepernick starts to kneel yeah, 2016. Yeah, so players weren't even required to come out before 2009. They stayed in the locker room during the national anthem. It wasn't televised but once the NFL realize that hey people want to see this they started charging. They started charger a dollar. So like it always comes in because it's great. So is it patriotism or is it capitalism? All right. All right. So paid Patriot is right if I could have broadcasting dollars, like people paying for ads and commercials. Am I going to show the national anthem? No, but if the federal government pays me more than the commercials do then I'll show it right. So then people were an uproar. Hey, this guy is kneeling during during the national anthem. Yeah, but 10 years, even three years prior guys were in the locker room, who knows what they were doing. Who knows what they were doing in a locker room. Well the thing and this is So this is the the whole team behind our show, right? So we look at sports entertainment and business, but we look at the back story because it always comes back to the money. Always it always comes back to the money something. Right. So all of this was done because the NFL was paid to do this and now it's part of our fabric now now every game we watch the flag. And again, it's nothing against our own forces our military. We love it. Support but and I'm not and I'll make this clear to you. I'm not saying that you shouldn't stand up for the national anthem or you should stand up for the national anthem. Everybody's entitled to do what they want. We live we live in a free country. But the thing about it is don't act like something is done out of the goodness of your heart when you're getting paid to do it Marshawn Lynch Marshawn Lynch is he said he said he never stood and they actually and they just realized this. Two years ago. He said I was doing 10 years and was because it wasn't a thing like nobody paid attention to it until one guy will too. I mean Eric Reid decided that listen we're going to do a peaceful protest and look at the backlash from that. Hmm. Well, yeah. Do you have it there? You have it ladies and gentlemen patriotism with capitalism you choose. What's up, y'all? So if you're listening to this you obviously like podcast and you probably like music just as much on Spotify. You can listen to all your favorite artists and podcasts in one place for free. You don't need to premium account Spotify has a huge catalogue of podcast on every topic including the one you're listening to right now on Spotify. You can follow your favorite podcast. So you never miss an episode premium users can download Episode to listen to offline wherever you are and it's really easy to share what you've been listening to with your friends on in. Graham if you haven't done so already be sure to download the Spotify app search for earn your leisure on Spotify or browse podcast in the your library tab. Also, make sure to follow us so you never miss an episode of earn your leisure again. Alright our last topic of discussion is not over we going to Fashion going to Fashion. We going to high-end fashion. Yeah Gucci. Talk about Prada Montclair, but we'll start with Gucci. Okay, if you haven't been under a rock for the last week and a half, you know that Gucci is in deep water right now because they made a turtleneck that it's like a black face thing. It turns up and it has red lips has I'm sure you probably seen it. You know what I'm talking about? Okay, then mind clear has a Sambo. Jacket, you know my clear is so disturbing last year. They were in the news for having the black face patch on the sweatshirt last year. Okay, 2018 this year they say, you know what happened. We're going to put black faces all over a bubble jacket and put it out for each other. Okay, then Burberry decides is a good idea to have a hoodie with a new song on it. Yeah, they call it the nautical nautical very then product is something Prada had monkey pendants in the window and they were putting on their bag. It had a big monkey displays and just having all right. Yeah, I'll sharpen came hoping that prior to that. We had H and M with the H&M had the coolest monkey in the jungle with a black kid wearing and they thought that was a good idea. Okay, so obviously this isn't a coincidence right? They're doing this on purpose. Yeah, so why are they doing it on purpose is a lot of different theories. There's a thing called outrage marketing. I don't know if anybody's familiar with outrage marketing but it's pretty much you can kind of guess what it is by the name where you just shock value, right? Any publicity is good publicity. You just do crazy stuff you get your name out there you get some backlash you apology apologize, but it doesn't even hurt your brand. It hasn't really heard different. I mean these companies Brands because hmm. Yeah H&M innate last year April, they put out the coolest monkey sweatshirt and they saw a decline temporary temporary come out for two months, but their 2018 retail sales were up five percent. So people still supporting the brand they were temporary outraged and people wanted answers and then people realize you know what these for these clothes are for edible gold on the bottom. We live in a disposable Society, right? Right and people like discipline. So the boycott for a week and then they just forget about it. Something else comes about. Yeah. So is that why these companies are doing this? Because as I said, I don't think it's a coincidence how many times can we be slapped in and it's all high-end fashion brands or each H&M is a high-end fashion brand but so Gucci and Prada Prada and my Claire and Burberry, so now they say no. Okay. It's It's a boycott on Gucci right not opposed to that but Gucci is actually owned by a larger Corporation, right the caring group. I believe it's cool and they own YSL Balenciaga Alexander McQueen Gucci other brands as well. So are you boycotting all of these Brands as well? Right? We win these brand tip again with yeah, like what I don't could begin with why are we wearing these Brands? Right? Yeah. We love TI one of my favorite rappers you gonna do you gonna hold that forever? Never Gonna Let You in and itself I wasn't a big fan of Southern hip hop music. I know we got a lot of listeners in the South. I love this help Atlanta, Florida. We had that debate. Well, I was away and I love this out. You will see I got but I wasn't huge one the South hip-hop until Tia. Castilla had he had swag I could relate to him and his lyrics he was a goodly recital dope. I just like them I still like yeah. But I don't understand when he so he calls for a boycott and then he starts out his paragraph was saying I'm a seven-figure year customer. It's interesting because you have a clothing line. Yeah, cool, which stands for a king of oneself. You have a clothing line that stands that the acronym is a king of oneself and you spend seven figures a year with Gucci another brand. I see you when you see these people outside. You would think hey every once in a while. I would sprinkle my own clothes on if not all the time to promote my own brand. It's confusing. Yeah, let's spend a million dollars. That's yes. It's very careful in his comments. Like look, why don't you spend that million dollars trying to help another brand get off the ground or put it in your own brand. I don't understand that. Yeah, and like I said, I don't want it back to you. I like to love to I actually like you guys wanted one of the best but I didn't understand that and I didn't understand. Three-month boycott, I don't understand. What do we do after the average person maybe has one Gucci item if that to they buy a Gucci item once every five years, right? It's not like you're going grocery shopping because I think celebrities a lot of times ad touch with reality. Yeah, three months is like mugging. You're not going to shop right or NP. That's what would like that's something like the celebrity so future said that he spends $300 $300 200-300 thousand dollars a month on: My what? What are you buying? Why are you spending money on clothes when you can get stuff for free exactly or just create your own? Okay. So this is a pretty disturbing. Yeah issue right there. And one of the other things that they were saying is that you know, what these mistakes quote-unquote are happening because we're not represented at the top of the creative chain when it comes to these high-end fashion, right? But well, that's true. That is true and we Recently seen Virgil take over at Louis Vuitton. So my how many times are you going to okay, if I come into your house right? I can't. Tell you to feed me to give me a blanket you can give me that if you wanted to like you don't have to treat me good it sure house right? Like how many times can we demand somebody to treat us appropriately? Instead of treating ourselves appropriate data. So Dapper Dan who is one of the creative directors at Gucci like he was outraged by it. Obviously shouldn't that but there's a legend for those who don't know him and he had to head the CEO Gucci come to Holland to talk about the issues that he's facing and demanded some acts. What is that going to do it? Right? I don't know. How like, yeah. Think about it is the reason why the ti things interesting is that he by him saying he spends seven figures a year on Gucci is not just saying that he spent seven figures a year ago. She brings up a larger issue right where athletes entertainers rappers specifically rappers have given free endorsements for years and companies have reaped the benefits of it and they never they don't pay these people to do that. All right. It's a status symbol and you feel that you're you know. You're above somebody else by saying that you're wearing these things or you're driving these cars and I think I have made it to a certain level Chris that member Crystal Crystal was a little-known champagne brand for years and somehow big I think big was the first one that championed Crystal but for some reason, I don't know. He was also the first one to find Jacob the jewels different story. Yeah, but so I mean champion because it was the most expensive thing. Yeah, but it was weird. I just found it randomly. Show had like maybe somebody in it so it had gold bottles. That was it. So he starts talking about Crystal and then JZ starts to Champion it. Yeah, and then it just goes crazy. Every rapper has gold bottles Crystal and their sales went up. Don't quote me on this, but it went up like 300% in the course of a five-year timeframe directly related to rappers. There's no argument about it. Then the CEO of the company says he doesn't want to be associated with those kind of people right? So what Ben Jacobs out with the lyrics I used to drink Cristal son is a traitor in this a band on Chris Okay. So we've seen this play before absolutely and so it didn't fail along with Jay-Z we talk about Jay lot because he's a cultural icon and very important person. so remember iceberg Iceberg man, that was that was late 90s late 90s, and he's my God Iceberg man iconic when I was in high school if you had Iceberg sweater, you were elite elite level. Yeah. So Iceberg had the cartoon character high like Snoopy Snoopy day today license that they had to get that license, right Mickey Mouse Mickey Mouse new but those sweaters like 300-500. It was cool g and Iceberg. Yeah Iceberg was crazy Iceberg was the teachers with to hunt? Jay-Z all use Williams Iceberg you had then we had allies icebergs plus yv only lasted so everybody wanted Iceberg. Jay-Z was talking about iceberg and every lyric so anything okay spending so much money on high spring and we're talking about its go talk to these guys. Why don't we try to get endorsement deal? Let's have a meeting with them. So him and Dame go to Iceberg. Mmm, and they tried to get an endorsement. And they say no thank you when we don't make these clothes are not interested. Yeah, not interested, but that no turns into something extremely profitable. Yes, so they say no and they decide to do their own thing and make a clothing brand called Rocawear. Hmm. Based off of Roc-A-Fella Records Rockaway, right? So now they get the bright idea to start Rock. We're which they probably should have done from the beginning but better late than never. Yeah Rockaway a team in like 18 months. Yes eight years later from the Inception date. They sell Rocawear for 204 million dollars. See what happens when you when you stop asking people for something and you do something for yourself and that same time what happens is bird though fell off the cliff with our wedding. Disappear for they make it a researcher at it coming back now, but they disappear for 15 to 20 years. Why disappeared because the rapper stop talking about it? Yeah. We don't have we don't want you thank you. We'll move on so I don't understand why this is such a hard concept to understand. There's a perfect case study. Yeah, they they blew up Iceberg. They approached Iceberg but and welcome to Iceberg says no, they start their own company Iceberg falls off the cliff of the earth their cubby at they start they sell for quarter billion dollars in eight years. Yeah. I mean I did that with the look at two so they Crystal and that turned it on and there on that turned into a space baby and I tend to do say so, I mean cool you don't want us to drink your stuff. We'll make our own. When will we learn when we listen? I don't know. I don't know. Can we just on Burberry Burberry really quickly? So the new city is like if you seen a new city like it there's no I did on purpose right? So the creative director That burberry's now Ricardo teaching and he's been like known for in the fashion world for many years. He was a great director at Givenchy and Jason his name in a song to write coddle teachers to be chichaja clothes rather. So my thing is like yes, is he from the our culture? No, but he's he been around enough. Absolutely, right? He collaborated with Kanye to dude watch throwing album cover. He did the massage table. Yeah. Good music when they put out their Cruel Summer he did the cover with him. He's collaborated with Jay and Beyonce for their tour. He same thing with Rihanna. So he's been around a culture know there's no reasonable explanation why you would be the creative director you saw that this design was coming down the line and you pressed. Okay. I'm not the worst part the worst part is that they apologized and in any apology. They apologize. Yeah suicide suicide. Yes, we're sensitive about suicide. Yes, we're not. No, we're not. Yeah, but and then they say ratio and Insensitivity here is not something to be joking housings of black people were lynched in the south over a hundred years. Is that racial insensitivity? It's lynching today. Don't even apologize for that aspect of well. They I think that one of the models apologize and they cut her quote a little bit. So she did apologize. I mean one of the models who was in the show did not want to do them to do this, right? She was like listen don't don't do this is ridiculous. You shouldn't walk down. On the runway with this and they went ahead and did it anyway and in that was part of her apology that's suicide is not something that we should joke with and then the racial insensitivity but again, like who okayed that to go down your Runway, you know what it doesn't even matter who cares stop supporting. Yeah, or just take it but I'm asking for an apology. Somebody know how to treat me and my accent for them to apologize to me. Yeah. They were a show me who they are. I believe them when they show you who you are. Somebody shows you they are you should believe them save save your apology. I'm good. All right. Okay guys, thank you for rocking with us. That is the end. But before we leave we want to announce some exciting news. We got some big things small. You guys are asking about YouTube. It's here. 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I'm Maria Menounos and you're tuned in to AfterBuzz TV the ESPN app TV talk now let the buzz. What's up? My name is Carrie Lane and we are going to be talking all about Sword Art Online Alice ization for of Underworld. Yes, that is quite a mouthful. I know and I have a very special guest here. I've Alex on David and I'm going to let you explain what you do with FAO because it's a lot of things. Yeah, so I adapt the English dialect scripts and then I Act the actors the voiceover actors in a nutshell a nutshell. Nice. Nice. Well the Latin the first episode of this Arc just aired on Toonami over the weekend. What kind of feedback are you getting online? What are you seeing from? The fan? Well, I think everybody's excited to have it back and stuff and they're like you can see the characters again and catching up with with how everyone's doing. Unfortunately for Katie toe. He's not doing so well, but Yeah, Alice seems to be like you were saying outside. She's living that domestic life. Yeah air quotes on that domestic because it's like a more simple life for her that she hasn't had in quite some time. So I'm so done we start with her and it's been about six months six months ago. Kyoto's totally comatose pretty much that we can eat. I'm glad he can eat and you can sleep and basic functions. Yeah. He just he just doesn't walking he can't ya know he can hold the sword. So because he does have that like she just profitable it. She's pressed him up and he puts his arm around it, but it's not much now. Yeah, it's could just kind of leaning against his shoulder and stuff. So yeah, it's so sad to see him in that state to because we left him where it's essentially he gets. What would you would you describe it by the it's a system of like he got short-circuited. There we go. Yeah, that's the best way to describe it. I'd say it's like we get that flashback where she's kind of remembering Alice's remembering that moment and I'm where I worry for him and priced. It's such a Job of that system of I'm just joking. Nice Levi, because I'm like, how is it also directing? Somebody be like, so you're in this scene but your comatose. Well Bryce has been following along with the show as it's been airing on Crunchyroll and and so he was actually really excited to come in and do his 15 minute session of going and I mean it was you know, I just I just told him it's more breath than than voice. And and and you're just trying to communicate that you want the swords. So, you know, we preview the Japanese always and and he took it from there like a couple of takes and stuff. That's about it. And then I think I think after we were done with the kitty toe stuff, he played a couple of goblins getting slashed in a couple of nights getting slashed or something a little more action to do well just to fill up his time. Yeah, it's kind of yeah, it's You know braces up for everything pretty much when he comes in. And so if he's only got like, you know, ten Loops of his main character he's down to you know, go and help out on some of the incidental characters too. Cool. We do have a live chat here. So if you are watching this live, thank you so much for joining us, please if you have any questions about the show, we're not going to do spoilers. So don't try but you know, everybody dies in The Next Episode everybody. I mean, come on it. It's the Japanese versions been out so you know that but I mean like if you have questions about the process Process or the actors or the particular scenes, please war or in the adaptation. So in this first episode I would say not a ton happens all things considered but were there any particular moments in this first one for translating it from the Japanese to doing the English dub that stood out to you or anything or was interesting in this particular episode. I mean later on we have at we have Alice doing her life. We have the tree seen getting cut down. We also have Elder Elder. Algeria thank you. And also we have the broccoli. Thank you. Yes, I think that I think probably the most the most challenging one about this episode if I'm remembering correctly was the last conversation between Algeria and Alice when he struggled to get her to come back. Yes. I've noticed in this show in this batch of Sword Art. The performances are actually with the underworld Ian's their performances are done in such a way that the there's a lot of pauses in the sentences here. They're sort of fact, they're their conversations are a little bit more measured not all the underworld. He owns. Yeah, but like Alice and then a few of the nights some of which are coming up. Yeah, and so it's been kind of challenging trying to adapt the dialogue in a way where those pauses are actually natural pauses in a sentence. Then it doesn't sound to translate to your awkward or you know, hi. My name is Alex. You know that kind of try to avoid that as much as possible. No, I really actually I I'll be honest. I generally watch more sub than the dubbed but something I enjoyed watching this version or sorry watching the demo of this is LGA. I liked that scene a lot because there's a lot of emotion and it when he's trying to get Alice to come back. She's his mentor. Or and little bit of a crush to and it's complicated but I really liked how that turned out good. Thanks for saying that. Yeah, everybody worked really hard on that on that scene as it was great. And of course Kaylee was going a hundred percent as usual and then you know at the end there was this little breath that LGA does is he turns away from her? I remember we spent yeah. Yes. Yeah. I wouldn't call it a scarf but it was like it was like Because like disappointment in there. No, he's just disappointed in her. How do you direct the side? Well, you know Ezra Ezra also directs dubs to as you know, you know him so, you know, all I have to do is is treated like any other actor but a little different with him as I can always say this is the result I'm going for and he'll go. Oh God it. Okay, so I gotta just do it a little bit louder so that you guys can Don't get so you guys will be able to hear it after it's mixed those kinds of things. Yeah, a lot of the actors are understand that if I say if I give them like a result I say I need I need this to be louder because but we can't lose the sort of tremble that you're putting on the read of the line or the effort or the whatever. Yeah, and but yeah, no. Yeah that scene was my favorite. It was a it was a little it was it was tricky to adapt but not the trickiest the trickiest one. How was tricky to adapt? Um, well since since I'm giving the translation that's worded one way. Okay, and then when you watch the characters speaking if their mouth is on camera, it flaps a little bit then stops and Flash little bit more sometimes like on some shows like there's a show that I worked on called Kona Suba and that animation is The style is very sort of. It's not it's a it's not as finessed assort art. So mouthwash just go go go go go and so you can get away with a lot more with that but with sword art if you know characters on camera and there's a really dramatic scene and they flap a couple times stop flap a little bit more. I got to figure out how to make that that beat where they stop flapping, you know work logically in an English sentence. Yeah, the difference is You're watching subtitles you reading but you know, yes really makes a difference of when the sound occurs. I was going to ask then are there moments when you don't see their face and you're the actor or you were like, oh good. Oh, yeah. No, especially over their shoulder, you know any of the any of the off camera or over the shoulder things are like paradise for me on this show. They don't come enough. And so there was a couple times on the first 24 episodes of the season. We're keep Wonka and he go where explaining stuff about the soul translator and I was just like thank God this is off camera because there would have been it would have been sitting on that script for like four. I would still be writing that script probably because it's very complicated. But so it's like how do you make that easier to digest? Yeah, there's well. There's that there's the kitty and good way interesting. Well, there's the yeah, there's the logic of what's going on and the concepts and all that kind of stuff and luckily. Reading the books. So I have the books there. And if I ever get hung up or if ever there was a thing, I remembered from watching it when it was streaming. I made a note of it and stuff. And of course when I get the script in front of me to work on it same problem. I don't understand really what's going on. I'll crack the book open and usually the book I'll have like extra paragraphs of like, you know, the thoughts of the characters and stuff as they're explaining something and that usually I can usually work some of that. Into the script to help the audience understand more. So because I figure that if if I get to if if I'm watching the subtitle version of Sword Art and something doesn't make sense for me. It's probably not going to make sense for the audience either. So I try and with the clients permission. Of course, I try to add anything that would help explain some of the some of the bigger. Sci-fi or philosophical Concepts because the show has quite a bit of all of that. Yeah. Definitely. I'm one of the questions from the chat which you did kind of cover was what was your favorite moment from Natsu drag no drug meal. Hopefully I said that right for you. It was your favorite moment during the first episode which you did kind of cover. Oh, yeah, I mean no more. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, there's well. There's little bits of every episode that I that I kind of really like little Charming moments and stuff and it's when Alice gets to the lake with Quito and sulci and she sees it. I liked how the director handled that moment the walk through the woods on the path was really there was something about it with the sound design, especially when we were working on the mix and stuff. We're hearing it much louder than you do at home. And there are all these wonderful little little sounds forced sounds going on around the characters are walking through the all Alice conversation I liked seeing Allison AMA Yuri her Dragon their relationship he sleeps in the hollow of the tree and you know like it's really cool dog yeah exactly then something else kind of related to that Kindle and the chat says only handle unique I know hallenge has to directing more of the underworld are compared add to the rest of Sao I mean you've kind of touched on that little bit of just how they are speaking the underworld but are there any challenges the technical challenges of just with the animation of the mouth flaps is definitely more challenging than any of the other sword Arts the the soul translator the idea of the soul and will power in the Underworld and how will power incarnate skills how magic works I mean those were all Really really tough to make clear with those mouth flaps for sure for sure. We also have a renji in the chat system of the Japanese words are more one or more syllables than English words are more than so. You have to see you have to see it matches with the lip movement best. That's true of like if a word like if how many times a mouth moves like if how many syllables something has I think that would be a later problem of how somebody says something. Yeah. So there's There's a couple different thoughts with people who adopt anime and some people some folks. Try to match the syllable count with the English. Hmm, and I don't do that syllable count is fine. But then you have characters all speaking very rapidly in moments when they should be a little bit more thoughtful. Yeah, and I don't care how good the actor is if they're trying to jam, you know, twenty six syllables into Into a it's just not going to sound very heartfelt or anything. It's just going to sound rushed. We actually had an issue in one of our view Downs of one of the episodes where one character I under wrote on purpose so they could slow down there read and unfortunately, it actually affected their performance. So we actually had to go back and redo that all that characters stuff. It's an incidental characters. So it's nobody no none of the big characters, but still it's yeah, you know, it's one of those things where it's kind of like, you know, if we had an actor who knew how to take better beats during a performance more experienced actor perhaps it would have gone as I would have hoped instead of sounding listless, which is what we ended up with unfortunately, so But you never know. Who knows I may end up jamming it with 26 syllable words and next time it's just be talking really fast. Yeah, actually quite something you measure early those kind of curious about is do the English voice directors ever really get to chat with the Japanese voice directors. Like do you all ever go? Hey, I saw your stuff for nothing. Nope. I met I got to hang out with the director of tomohiko Ito of He was the one who directed all the sword Arts before this except for Gun Gale Online the sort out alternative thing. Yeah with the little lens and girl so I got to hang out with Tim. He could eat all and and we had dinner and stuff thanks to hear way our producer at Anna Plex and he sat he came to one of our recording sessions for ordinal scale and got to watch Cher Ami do awesome stuff, and he really loved that he was We you know, we pretty much just talked to movies eat Osan because he directs the whole show, you know, he's involved with every aspect of shot selection and sound design and and the performances as well and one of his thing's was he he liked how he we were handling we were taking it seriously. So he like the respect that we were putting into it and I thought oh when I was really that's why the cops said that yeah. That's good. That's cool. So because that is interesting like you think would I mean there's not necessary reason for you all to interact but I would be curious and you know at the last Anime Expo last summer and heat away at Anna Plex asked me to be on the panel with the director of this batch of Sword Art and the producer and the writer and characters enter. Yeah, we didn't get to talk at all. You're like, I think I think she was very shy. By and and yeah, I think I think maybe he's felt uncomfortable with his English skills or something. I don't know we had enough people speaking Japanese there who could help but it would have been nice to ask him a little bit about the show and and sort of what his his ultimate goals were with it. Yeah, that might have helped me a little bit more with my stuff. So Kindle has another question says this part of Sao has a Action, how has it been like directing that? Oh, so yeah, it gets pretty bloody because it's there's going to be a war. It's been fun. Everybody's been yelling. Yeah. I mean lot of yelling a lot of I'm dying hurdling deaths and but everyone's been up to the challenge thankfully and we're not we're not killing anybody. I don't think in the booth. For the first time in ever, I've been I've been doing this for about 15 years. Now for the first time ever. I one of the episodes had so much action in it. When I started adapting the script to when I finished adapting the script I think took about five or six hours which is it was so little dialogue. There was all the dialogues really short. Yeah, and there was tons of action in it, and it was one of those things. Where I sat down I worked on it and like five hours later it was done and I was like, oh my God, I wish everything was like this. How long does it take for a typical episode to adapt or does it depend on the episode? I mean clearly ones with more action, but on average, how long would you say from you getting the Japanese script to making it to what viewers are seen I guess on average an average it takes me about four full days. So when I'm when I'm when when I get offered a show, that's one of the first things I'm kind of like will I have enough time to write. Yeah four full days usually is is good for me because that allows me to get some sleep and and not go too crazy. Some people have been doing recently to day turnarounds on some scripts and it seems quick. Yeah, and they also they also have you no other jobs and so Spending they're just they're just not given enough time and it's it's kind of shocking that clients are okay with this and what's even more shocking your fans are okay with this. I was going to ask that how much do you feel that affects the quality of what well for those particular jobs? I mean, I'm not a voice actor. I work with voice actors. I'm not a voice actor, but almost every voice actor I work with They're disappointed that that a lot of the stuff they work on is has this rushed attitude towards it and they can't and they can't go that one extra take oh, you know or they or are they looking at the lines and thinking yeah, I have no idea what this is saying and the directors like, you know, I don't I can't help you. It's everything doing a good ad adaptation takes time. Yeah. And unfortunately in this age of got to have it now got to get it out right away time is the first thing to go. So everyone's everyone's seeing the result of that and a lot of folks aren't happy about it. Unfortunately, so luckily for me for now. Anyway, I'm kind of insulated against that I'm I'm still able to thankfully with Anna plexus support. And bang Zoom support. I'm given four days to work on a script and then we're given time in the studio to work with the actors. Not just one take moving on. Thanks a lot. Get out. Next actor scary. Well, no, I mean yeah, everybody wants to do a good job. I mean, yeah, I know you all the time of like wait, can I do that over and actually sorry real quick to of speak of the voice actors and the environment Ryan in the chat says what kind of atmosphere do you create like to create for your voice actors and does it very Do you ever change it up / performer or if you know them versus someone who's new working with you? Oh, um, I mean I try to I try to let everybody know that I'm on their side and that it's okay to mess up. And it's okay to speak up if you have like a question about something or if I'm not being clear in my direction or are you just need a break, you know, just speak up. It's not it I try to keep it as not tense as possible which helps a lot of people but some people just come in automatically tense because they're thinking oh my God, I got this i got this part and it's a lead and oh my God, you know, it's some people Newer actors tend to freak out about that stuff a lot more. So you have to just kind of just say hey, yeah breath. It's okay. Is it better than to have the opportunity for making a mistake? Because then maybe that get they the actor is more likely to take a chance on something that works out. Well versus like I don't want even try absolutely absolutely the more More relaxed of voice act or any actor is the better. Everything's going to be mhm. So we were just talking about the speed of how quickly shows our turnaround got a good question. The cartoon Cipher says given that there seems to be a push for dubs to come out faster and faster. Are you worried at all about the direction that the industry as a whole is headed Industries already there cartoon Cipher. Everybody's folks are not Copy and it's only a matter of time before I'm going to eventually get caught up in it. So I I'm I don't know how much longer I can keep adapting the shows that direct that also helps me as a director having adapted the scripts because I understand why I'm making why this character is speaking this way why that hitches why that space is there that break in the line. I understand what this breath means because later on we're going to you know, it's going to pay off later or what this joke is I've already done all that homework and and I try to be diligent about all of that stuff to the point that when I do get into the studio with the actors, I have pretty much most of the answers that they need to any other questions and if we do get stuck I've already I can help. Them get unstuck. Yeah, or I can help in the case of say like a line. That's maybe too short or too long. I know what words to put in there to fix it or it's a little easier for me to figure out how to fix it. It doesn't it doesn't happen like, you know like that. Sometimes I'll sit there for 10 15 minutes trying to figure out how to unscramble whatever our issue was with the line whether it was too short or too long, but eventually Really? I'll figure it and usually make the right choice well with the writing and how much DirecTV feels like it can not let you have much free time. But what are some favorite animated shows you're watching right now none. Oh, no, no. No, actually. No, I literally I think we were the last time you had me on we were talking about Monica. Yeah, I think I told you or I think if you ask the question then to and I think I said I have like these stacks of Blu-rays in front of my TV your DVDs and yeah, so those are it's a it's like not animated if you're watching anything else. Well, I mean, you know what? I took a break a couple weeks ago because I've been I've been getting sick over and over and over again since the beginning of December. I would you know be writing a couple weeks. I mean, I hope I'm okay. Yeah, I'd write for a couple of weeks then go into the studio and then get something cash something and then go home and then write for two weeks and then go into the studio and record what we just wrote or what I just wrote and then get sick again. N and so it's just been like I'm on like cold number three now or something. So so one day I said, fuck it. I'm gonna go I'm gonna I'm gonna watch something on TV and I watched motherfuckers. Oh, yeah, which is on Netflix. Yeah. So Stephanie Shane Michael is worked on that. I remember then promoting. Yeah. It's a really cool. They did a great job on it, too. But I love the animation style or not. It was just it was amazing. Yeah. And so that was I guess that's the most current animation that I've that I've that I've seen and probably the most current thing I've seen in the last like month just because if I'm if I'm at home like I am right now working on the scripts typing away. Yeah, it's I'll be typing away, you know make something to eat or go get something to eat. Come back. Oh, I I know that where I got stuck on that line. I'm going to try this idea and then I have to write it down and it's it's just kind of like you get kind of OCD about it or I could get it OCD about it so that I don't want to like I want to keep at it keep at it keep at it until I'm so exhausted. I can't keep my eyes open. Is it better than to take a break and then come back to it or do you like what happens with and like what happened to me today? There was a couple of instances in episode 10, which is the really Taki episode. We're all items on one looking in 10. Yeah. So on episode 10, there's a To talk and a lot of those moments where you know characters flapping away and I'll stop and it's all closed up there a couple times a day where I got so tired of trying to figure out what these three lines were how to make these how to make the intention of these three lines fit in the mouth flaps that by the time I figured out this one chunk. I was completely wiped out and I went and just took a nap half hour later. I got back up and started hitting the script again. Again, and got to another chunk and then took a nap again. I literally I took a nap right before I came here because I got to this chunk and it was like, oh my God, Alice, why can't you just talk, you know at one speed but of course, she's Alice. So yeah, it was I finished this one thing. I'm like great. I'm out of that scene now and he'll after this thing. I'm probably just gonna go home and take another nap. I don't know. Well speaking of are pretty much at the end of this thing. So well, that's pretty much the big in a nutshell of all the stuff that goes down to make up sewed one. I loved hearing the behind-the-scenes about it. I'm excited to see where it goes. I mean, yes, I know if you want to watch it you could but the English dub of it is turning out really well. Glad you like I'm liking how it's going. I really like Alice's voice. Yeah Kelly student. I think she did a great job. I like the deeper tone to it. So I'm excited to see where she'll go and the other Hers as well any other final words before we finish up for viewers? Oh, um, no, thanks for supporting the show and for and for watching this and you for your questions and stuff. Sorry, we couldn't get to all of them. I find you on social media. Maybe we'll have you back again. Oh just on Twitter. It's my name lowercase Alex Van David, and and I don't I'm not on that much. I'm certainly not a not as active as a lot of the voice actors, but I mean I'll be I'll be on just to promote. 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We are back for another episode of Orange Is the New Black? We are talking about episode 8. Thank y'all so much for joining us here at after bus tonight. I'm your host April joined by my lovely Francesca. Hey and Brianna, we are officially halfway through the season and I mean I mean no those are being tied at this point, but I wouldn't know what y'all thought about episode 8. I liked episode 8 I was telling Francesco. Like I feel really sad about red because I know it's just gonna get worse but overall it was a little soft compared to 6 and 7, but it was so entertaining. Yes. There's just so much stuff going on. I'm just I don't know how we're going to like you said and nothing is tied up at all. Exactly. I thought at this point of the Season that we would be a little more. Were you know, we would have certain things handled. I guess we do like we saw with Cindy and Maritza, you know, we have certain things that they kind of just like pushed away. And I don't think we'll see them again, but there's just so much left to happen. And so little time left I guess so let's get right into it was delicious Elena. This is I have been so excited to talk to you all about this because it's very sad that she's back in prison, but she is automatically up. To her old ways. Yeah Francesca. I know you have a particular love for a later. Do you think she's gonna kind of like state has to stay in there because of all the stuff that she's doing with hopper and I mean Daya, I don't think she's going anywhere and I like that she came in and she asserted her her dominance. I guess if you will she put that little card at the top of the card thing and said, this is me y'all work for me. I was like, okay, and I'm kind of actually hoping though that She's here and she's going to be taking charge Daya can like lay off on ya on the parish. Knit. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, I agree. I'm wondering if a lady took that approach in a way of helping her get clean and a very aggressive Elite Away. I can see that being like a motherly thing. Yeah, because Gloria gave her the heads up and said look Daya is running this place needs to help her out Glory not even knowing a late is the reason why Why die is running everything? But yeah, I think a later going to the extreme is basically undermining her I think was a way of looking out for her. Yeah, I thought the same thing at first because of Glory approaching her like you said and in the way she did like Elena clearly has had terrible ways of doing things before but like she thinks they're the right way. She thinks that it's like her being a good mom, but As we get further into the episode, it doesn't seem that way. So maybe it's a little bit of both, I guess because with how she just immediately kind of just almost makes fun of Daya for shooting a man accidentally and then she's like I didn't shoot him accidentally. I he just didn't mean to die or he was supposed to die. Whatever she said but there's a part of me that's like you don't you should understand how this is dangerous for her if you're treating her this way and then I mean clearly Doesn't know that Diana is in such a terrible head space right now. I'm kind of seems to be willing to do anything. I mean, she's like I'm in prison for life, whatever so it has me wondering like if I don't know I think a lady thinks nothing is ever going to happen to her. Meaning or the diet will never do anything. But do y'all think that diet could actually end up doing something to her mom. I didn't think about that until just like listening to you talk about it right now. Thank you because I thoroughly felt like Elena kind of put diet. Like this is where I am going to be. You know, she moved over at the table and everything went I was trying to stand strong at first. And at first I was like, yeah, maybe it's kind of her motherly way of doing it, but the lady we all know a latest selfish and out for herself most of the time. So yeah, I don't know I could see maybe Daya tryna go too far. Yeah. I don't know if she would physically harm her. I could see her doing something to the extent of maybe getting her put in a little note. There's no shoe anymore. Maybe get her moved to another block or something. I don't know but I can't see her because you see Daya still has a soft spot for a lighter because when I later came over and she wanted each she was like move and Daya try to be tough and then they just stood there because she knew she was going to move and she gave in. I think the reason I asked you all that is because I'm thinking of the part of the episode where Diana and her Main Chick are in the room and looking for the drugs the only 80 left. Sorry, yes, they're looking for the drugs and the trash bags which I guess they figured out different ways to get them in because I used to get them in through like the energy drink things but in the drugs aren't in there, so that's when she's like she's I see me out. Yeah, you know she forgot to be out of this. So that's the only thing that has me being like, okay. She's already I mean we don't know exactly how time passes in the show of course, but we know she's been there back in meeting a lady for a very short amount of time. So in that amount of time He's already like kind of taken over some of her Turf. So it makes me think that diet could kind of just go off the wall and like actually really do something to affect her mom. It's definitely possible especially because 80 Ola is kind of also really sneaky and aggressive. Yeah and scares me. Yeah, so okay, I guess I could you kind of you kind of beard my thoughts into those directions as well, especially seeing after what happened with Daddy and that wasn't even intentional right? So it's like she has the I mean like she said she didn't mean to kill the first guy. She didn't mean to Kill Daddy. But like at what point does it just become like yeah, but I don't know. I just had this feeling but in a latest still like all happy and whatever I guess what Hopper is too weird. I feel bad for Hopper. He's stupid. I mean I feel bad for him because he's so like oblivious to how she's just stringing him along. I think it's hilarious that Stressing about her being in jail and she's chillin. Yes is like home for her and he's breaking out in hives because he's but I can't bear to see you like this and Elena's just like shut up. Guess he falls he still has no idea when he made the comment about he's like, I have to see her the weekly meetings with your crazy ex Caesar. I'm like, okay when you get a figure this out, right, but they were still connected. So but of course, he's stressed. He's keeping all of her kids, isn't it 6 kids for their work it okay. Okay, so you go from like how I don't know if he's still if the mom is still there because Mom wasn't waiting like the other room you go from having nothing and now you just like have four kids there and they're not even yeah, not even yours and their behavior is wild exactly. What did y'all think about the phone call the fake phone call where she's on there. He's standing when she did that. I'm never gonna die. Yeah ever again dude ever April. I wanted to use part of that phone call for the special segment. Bob was like there's no way. I am making that noise that she did at the end of it. I'll get it. That's actually like girl. You gotta fix that. Apparently, I guess maybe it's a trick. I don't know but I was dying the entire time because he was just eating it up and she actually seemed genuine because she's a snake. Yeah, you don't think okay. You don't think in that moment. She was she says she's missing him. You don't think she was missing him. No, but she probably realized she can't have Caesar anymore. So She's gonna have to deal with Opera in a closet and dream about moons over my hammy and on top of that Hopper really fell off with the whole truck stuff because he's so obsessed with being upset about her being in jail. She needs him to keep his head in the game and the only way she's gonna do that is by a sheriff Pike. In the closet, that's why I think she's such a good actress because like she can just play this role. So what like just the nastiest invite it's like she doesn't care what? Yeah, she's just living her life and she's she's crazy. But Hopper, I feel like it's going to get himself into some trouble because it's clear that all of the CEOs are catching on, you know, we see the part where Copeland ask him for days off because oh whatever but I don't know what For him. I mean she definitely did. I feel like he should just be like no, we're not involved. He did try that and then it was very obvious that he was lying. And then on top of that the other Co caught him either as right Al is that his name the guy even he's an album. That's why it's funny. Oh, that's that's why it's funny and then you catch him at the end saying this the first time Hopper I invited me to happy hours. So you can see that couple. Um, you know, he saw a Problem with you over as known as things so I don't know. It's right and even put that two and two together. You're right. He's doing damage control. Uh-huh. Also, I don't know if y'all just noticed but I said white-headed red man, that's white redheaded. Yes. Anyway. Yeah, I can I can definitely see him getting into some actual trouble. But I mean, maybe not we don't have enough time to really go there but it's interesting to kind of see him now be put in the situation and I just wonder Long everything's going to actually last I don't know why they put her in his block. I think that's so weird. Yeah, because it was common knowledge with the with the other CEOs because what she said you call her my little jalapeno popper. Yeah. Everyone knows already. Yeah. Well, maybe she hasn't been officially place because she's still in her orange true because it's the New Black exactly. Yeah lovely Francesca. You have something for me. I just wanted to say thank you. Guys for being being our fans and making us the ESPN of AfterBuzz. I mean, oh my gosh of Television. Thanks for supporting AfterBuzz. If you're watching on YouTube, make sure you put hit thumbs up, press subscribe. Leave us comments. I think April are you on I'm in the chassis and live right now is let us know what you think. Yeah, and then if you're listening on iTunes or it has five stars leave us comments there as well. But thanks you guys for always tuning in. Thank you. Yes, we so appreciate it everyone in the chat. Let us We thought of this episode remember that we have not watched ahead. So we are fully have only watch top 2 episode 8 as of right now, we're doing episode 9 after this you definitely also want to stay tuned to the rest of our episode because of course, we have our special segment with our special lines and some great news and gossip and predictions for y'all. I want to move on to the piper Retreats Alex whatever situation she has freckles. Oh, Oh I was so I thought it was so odd that we went there. Oh my God, we we butchered a sheep tonight. Yeah, so that's where we're at with this baby. And it's oh gosh Yugi. I wasn't going to mention the baby alive without totally forget about that the part of this Retreat other than the sheet murder and whatever I actually liked this part. I know y'all are probably going to kill me for that and I agree it gives Good insight and actually some good advice. Did y'all think that that I thought that the guide whatever you would call it? I thought she gave good advice. Yeah, I liked it because this is the first time I was annoyed with Piper. Yeah exactly. My thoughts this episode 2. Hmm. I think they did with this what they've kind of been meaning to do with her character. We've talked about so much them. You know how she's annoying but they're trying to show this other side. They're showing every side of what every day. A graphic in person and whatever can can go through after prison in prison, whatever but I think they kind of fix that tonight in the sense of we know she's been having trouble accepting herself and to see her finally be able to do that or I should say accepting her post-prison self. So to be able to see her finally do that, which is kind of like, okay, that's what you've been trying to do. Thank you for doing that. Mmm. Yeah, at least that's what I thought. Yeah. It was nice to hear. Her kind of say out loud that she has no idea who she is and like what she's doing and you you kind of finally genuinely saw Piper instead of this like manic mode and like, you know, we seen the last few episodes. She was trying to get Freaky Deaky because Alex, you know wanted her to and even in the beginning this episode Neary was like insinuating you're gonna hook up with Zelda hook up with Zelda, but instead it took a different turn. Turn and she actually had like that moment with Zelda who's also going through her own. Yeah things a divorce and stuff. So it was it was nice to see that side of Piper and Neri assumed that Zelda wanted to hook up and sell drugs just like that's not the type of time on one right but I thought it was interesting that you said you you said that it was her post-prison self, but I think it's not as much post. I think it is who she is and that's what she's been trying to get to this whole time. Name because she said in the episode like that's that's a part of me. That's who I am and I think now that she finally planted that Foundation she can get on to a better path of healing. Yeah, the part that I liked that the guide said so much was and I'm probably not going to get it exactly right but was when she said, you know, if you can't accept the the bad parts of you are the bad parts of you and if you can't accept those and you're automatically on to you know on a road to failure. Earlier, you have to accept the whole thing and not make that just because everybody has a little bad whatever that doesn't mean that you're you know a bad person. I totally messed that up. I have a written in my notes, but I'm looking for a minute and I think you it's like you see the Bell Quicken her. She's like, oh I did have this quote-unquote bad part, but I also have these other good parts. It's like when she says, you know, that was all I was there for a year and a half that's only four percent of my life. There's all this other stuff. I think it just kind of helped her. Realize it and I don't think she was expecting to realize it on a Wilderness hunting retreat with her sister-in-law and Friends. Yes. I'm glad that we finally got to see the part from the clip. So of where she's like he was allowed to hold. Oh my god. Oh, yeah. Can we talk about her character for a minute? Because malarious I'm kind of good at first I was confused as if she was just passive-aggressive or she was just ignorant, but I think that she's just ignorant and she's just inappropriate moments like when she came out Oh, no, we're talking about. Yeah, I'm part native American. Yeah, everything's like nobody else. She said it because of the them talking about using all the parts of the animal but like yeah, but other many other ethnicities years on the front of the animal to Larry, she's that good that comedic timing. Yeah. We don't like missing somewhat in this season. We've talked about how we get every now and then but I like the addition of her character because she's like cute whatever party exactly. I I don't like the idea. I don't know what y'all thought about it, but I don't like the idea of the Alex telling Piper to go hook up and then pepper does and even if it doesn't work, whatever but Alex tonight gets her free golf again. Like I didn't realize that last episode because I'm we just saw them like kind of start to kiss. I don't remember did they back up and Pull Apart? Oh, they all didn't right there at the they left it. Yeah, okay because I didn't realize when we so when we open and we see that she's like, you know, that was inappropriate to McCullough. She's like an appropriate to that. It was like, oh shoot, like what I preach like was thinking what's going to happen isn't going to happen and Alex, you know, then this is good because both of them can't do it, but the fact that she went through it this time. I'm like, oh boy. Yeah, it's going to be trouble. I'm just wondering why like, is it a rebound thing or is it out of pity because McCullough opened up to her. I think it's because Is the type of person that feel when she feels a genuine connection she likes to act on it and she is just like her telling fiber go hook up with somebody because it's like she doesn't think that it's as big of a deal as maybe Piper normally would even though we see that she doesn't but I think in that moment kind of seeing McCullough break down and be like, I didn't even realize that I was, you know being this a-hole forcing you to do this. These things, you know, like I thought I was helping you, you know, it seems like you know, I'm giving you money. I'm giving you a job and obviously Piper's like yeah, but it's Contraband. Yeah, and it's I think McCullough genuinely didn't realize that even when she says like Alex says well, I mean, it's not as bad as heroin. It's you see this thing click and McCullough's mind. And so I think seeing her break down and be like, I'm not going to force you to do this anymore, you know, here's a peace offering whatever. Thinks with my vagina exactly. I guess that's the best kind of thank you, but she couldn't I think because she hasn't experienced that and a long time. She hasn't experienced. Someone just doing something genuinely nice for her because they don't want to be a bad person and that's the kind of situation and people that Alex is into and it's not like they haven't shown their attraction for each other before but I was just surprised that it actually just Fully went there, especially of her boss. I know that's super dangerous and I'm thinking so is no one gonna go knock on the door. Make sure their sleep. I'm sure they do rounds. Yes, super Reckless. Yeah a little reckless and then we we also saw that she was in the middle of sending Piper a text message which be stopped and that was making me think did she ever listens to Piper's moistfull? Yeah, so I don't know. So I feel like somehow it's gonna slip up with this phone that the phone situation. Search and Piper's going to find out about Alex. I hope McCullough doesn't read into them having sex and starts to be spiteful and vindictive when like Alex makes it clear. It was just a one-time thing. Well, she's going to be Wonder exactly and she says the thing about you know, how she's got fired from all of these jobs because of her, you know, just state of mind that children exotic after being a soldier younger children doing that. So it's not like we she doesn't have a history of blowing up like take That it's you know, the trauma out of it that she's been through these are still things that happen. So that's a very possible thing that she could just you know be like hey, I slept with your wife. Yeah because Piper definitely didn't tell Alex that she could but I don't know not gonna not gonna be good Ava we have other people helping people out tonight as well. Gloria is officially like, what are we gonna call it? Like the den mother? I don't know investing investigator. Yes the price. The Pi Pi Pi. What what did you think about the people walking up? Of course? I say that a such a broad question because I'm actually mad at Blancas to for telling all of those people. I'm furious. It's such a dangerous game that she's playing and I wish Gloria told them no or something because Gloria is about to get out and I just can't believe Wonka would do something like that. She had no reason to go and Tell people exactly at all. I think that was selfish wait, so I completely missed that Blanco told. Well, you didn't see the Blanca actually telling them but people came up in the line giving them. Like, can you help me find my sister think Blanca told them or they just kind of overheard. I will be whispered and stuff. The whole time was they were very secretive and they only talked in the kitchen. So I mean, I feel like it could have been deductive reasoning plus people see either seeing Blanca do stuff and maybe block Running her mouth a little bit. We don't know that so I guess I shouldn't automatically put blame but like the fact that so many people do one time and like they had those little pieces of paper to give her like, it's clear that somebody had to have heard something at some point and I guess I just think you know Blancas like like they all think we all need help. They're all in the Sitch in the same situation that she is and everybody deserves help. We see that's what we saw with Maritza earlier. So but also we see me, Arisa get sent away and it just kills me because Gloria has done so much stuff, especially all the stuff with the riot whether that was right or wrong, whatever to get out to be able to see her kids again. So it's just me as a loving Glory as a character being very afraid for her the rest of her we call him the ice pack crew. Now, I'm gonna screw we're also in a really bad way. Love seeing the flashback of She has red hair and it just proves how much like they can do with makeup because we were automatically, you know without her red hair that we've seen her basically with every single season. Of course, Abby's dwindled a little bit here and there but like now she's full grade with like a little bit of red orange exactly. It makes her look so much older and then we see the flashback and I'm like, oh this is like red from season one that you see in the flashbacks like but she still looks great. I just I don't know. I'm just really sad about what's happening with her and the fact that she says the freezer situation. She was just confused. Yeah, I don't know. It's there's the part of me. That's like what is she actually going through? I mean it's trauma but I don't know. I mean I well I did some research about dementia and Alzheimer's and I didn't I didn't know that dementia is just a general statement from memory loss, but Alzheimer Is a type of dementia got it. Yeah, so a lot of the symptoms that she has when it comes onto memory loss and irritability that falls under Alzheimer's but with the whole thing with the freezer, I think that has a blanket meaning because wandering and getting lost is part of Alzheimer's. Yeah, but I think that was also kind of what do I say just like a Sprinkle of her past like yeah TSD moment. Yeah because of the hole that was Like a basically a PTSD moment when she saw the body in the freezer someone that she loved and I think that's just her go to place. But if you remember also when she was sitting at the table with the gangsters and she said well, I can go sit in the freezer. If you don't want me to say anything because and I speak on when I see mistakes, right and I think she realized I'm making a lot of mistakes. I'm going to sit in this freezer. Oh, I like that a lot. That's how I saw it. That's really good. Well, it makes so much sense because I mean she clearly it's like she knows she's doing these things wrong, but she doesn't like with the letter that we see her. I have Nicky give to this lady. She you know doesn't know at the time that she sent her the same letter 10 years ago. Also curious to see we all thought about this. I was like, I would totally attempt to send somebody another letter 10 years later. What's the problem with that though? The they sounded like it was so crazy that she's sure if he's like you remember you said her Letter 10 years ago. I'm like 10 years is a long time. Yeah there another one try to apologize again better son killed Jake's by think that's such a major thing that you would remember sending a letter like that. No, you definitely would but I'm taking it like that out of it being like I don't think it was that crazy because Nikki was like you already sent her a letter that's taking out the memory part of it, but it just read has always had this part of her, you know, she sees everybody as her children. We see Nikki tonight, you know when the moment when she's like Mom, whatever. That's how she felt about the same kid. And I feel like with everything that red has done not everything but a lot of the stuff that she's done in the past when she was trying to help a trying to make something better. Obviously. It just went the totally wrong way and I liked IBS at is the situation was tonight. I liked seeing it because it helps make a lot more sense about other things with her and kind of how she sees everyone as her. Children even Lilia in the freezer. Yeah, that was just awful and the fact that they kept her in that for so long. But whatever. She obviously doesn't handle the situation when Nikki tells her, you know, she doesn't wanna speak to you. Well, do y'all think that will see them, you know be able to make reunions and red forgive her. Do you think they're just you know, she's not going to get over it. I don't think there's any way that this friendship is going to go anywhere. I It's like Shawnee told Nikki Nikki. Like it's I've seen this happen and it's going to get really bad. So I think you know Nikki loves red no matter if Reds not in her, you know proper state of mind. So I think she's not going to give up on read at all. Yeah Feliciano and the chat says I like that everyone is covering up for red which makes what she is going through so much harder to watch because it's like by hiding it they hope it will go away or that it's not true. Right and that's the other thing we learned with the red tonight. I think she actually is realizing it. I'm curious if you all thought that as well because of the statement that she made at the end to Nikki where she's like what you think I'm going to go to a doctor so they can feed me through tubes for years and I'm going to live the rest of my life out in some like crazy part and I think that she is kind of seeing what's happening to her. Mmm. Yeah, she's definitely seen it and then you know, like when she had the little paper in her hand. I don't know what it was last episode episode before but she had that's the Steps of how to cook so she knows it but again like she does she I don't think she's ready to accept it. Yeah. I'm wondering if she wrote that letter again because she wanted to make sure she said, I'm sorry before she completely forgot because she knew that there was something going on with her memory maybe so I mean who knows at this point, but I'm at least she did it because she attempted so that's not that's good. She talks about being sent to these other places other parts of the jail, but we also know a lot Parts of the gel or no longer there anymore because our girl while we and Suzanne are reunited the chicken coop. It was so good to see Lolly's face. I don't know like I do too. I keep forgetting that she chopped up a van and bury him in the garden or the greenhouse, but I forgot about that until you reminded me right now to here. She is here. She is back Suzanne is was killing me this episode. I mean, she always does but with her being like I'm the A fixer because of the book that she the book that she gave tasty. I feel like we're not getting a lot of Suzanne like growth character growth though. Just because I feel like we're only seeing like kind of random scenes with her. What do y'all think about is are you think we are I feel like she's kind of being the connector this season. Mmm, like we're talking about the fixer the helper like that's she's playing that role right now. Yeah, and she's also had Like magical chickens, so yeah, exactly but I bet that's what I mean. Like we see her in the chicken coop for a really long time and then we've just seen her in the yard for a really long time. It's like she hasn't had the Own Story, right? Yeah that I loved that I loved about her from the beginning of the show. I think because she has this mental state. She has his childlike State it's easy to just put her in random situations and not developers too much because in reality someone in her position Ian they take a while to get as far as a person and develop as other people so I think it's I think it's a safe choice for the writers to keep her just as that comedic relief as always but I do like that they are including here because I feel like this chicken coop thing is going to get a little further. Yeah, I think so too. Maybe that's where the old recalls was. Exactly. I did last thing the chicken get to Tasty of course is still in with Ward and she kind of is I was helping her out. Genuinely now. I mean, we thought that she was doing it like not for her but for Daya, yeah. Well, I think I think she she wants to help but she's like reluctant because she's had this attitude this whole time but Ward always kind of is good at convincing her like we've seen the last couple episodes. She's good at convincing her to like think about herself and not just want to you know, go down this bad hole because you're duck in there. So I'm happy that she took on this like little tutoring gig because she graduated high school. So yeah, she's she's cool. I mean Ward basically forced her into it, but she I mean she did it willingly also but I likes, you know, we see her having something to kind of don't want to say live for because like that because she has helped now. All right, but she now also officially has the heroin or whatever it is that Gonna you know off herself. That was a little I was a little nervous when I saw her putting the little pack behind that poster because I'm like they do a sweep of the office for whatever reason. Well actually, I'm not worried for her because then Ward's going to get in trouble. Yeah, it's worse. They could say that it was just a who knows when it was put in there and yeah Ward should have known that it was at their didn't think about that until now because like that's like old friendship Ooh Girl you put drugs in my office. - yeah, but I'm hoping that because we see tasty being a little happier and actually having purpose, you know, when Ward asked her about the book and she's like I sent it out. So, you know, I haven't heard anything back yet. Yeah, and she wrote that letter to Suzanne exactly which I thought that was very big of tasty tasty. Yeah, me too because she didn't have to do that and it brought Suzanne so much. Joy, she's like see it as love tasty or whatnot love tasty, but your whatever. Yeah, tasty that's cute. That was really cute. And it's cute seeing her with pennsatucky kind of like messing with her but actually really trying to help her. Yeah, I like what she said that she said that she wants to pay it forward because Suzanne helped her and didn't give up on her. Yeah, and that she's so I'm happy that Tasty's characters turning. I feel like her attitudes turning around finally. I just hope this little drugs that she stashed don't get her into trouble saying me too. Okay, let's move on to our special segment. Yeah, I'm excited. Okay, we have another game of who said it. Yes. Okay. So we're gonna lose that it I think Stephen said it I said it. Okay. So our first quote is surprised you noticed I was gone so busy conquering Cleopatra read? Yeah. Okay. Okay. You're going to love Piper's she's Used to bunk beds the girl you're gonna yeah about half the sidebar that was funny that she said that she's used to bunk beds. And then she asked the coal comment about top arbitrary even though bottom. Yeah. Anyways guys good day to you Miss cluck. I do that was folly or Suzanne that have yeah. She wants she's the mayor of New click cities actually. So Regal now, yeah, mr. Van to do said that I have a mutant in my temporal lobe pennsatucky. Okay. The last one is oh, maybe she tunneled in like El Chapo the Lolly. Yeah SUV me. Thank you so much. Thank you also have some news and gossip for us. Very entertaining music Dawson. Guess what's better than crime news and gossip. So this drug kingpin, his name is short. Nickname shorty, he tried to sneak Outta jail disguised as his daughter and this is him getting caught and they told him to undressed and basically this is disguised my word. I have not seen this. So this is exciting. I haven't either how old is this person? No, it's this is a grown 43-year old man. He supposed to be support 42. He's in his 40s. He supposed to be serving a 73 year sentence. What the hell is he? He's short. Okay. His daughter is 19. So I guess size-wise they balance each other out, but he was really nervous while leaving and that's why they were like, something's not right. Then they saw. Oh, no. Wonder cause I was like dude, that's really creepy so crazy. His daughter in the jail. I mean that was basically I mean, there's no other there's no other options. So there you have it. That's your news and gossip. Wow people getting creative and there really are that's insane. Okay, let's talk some prediction your AfterBuzz TV predictions for Jessica what you got this this golden magic golden magical chicken is gonna Actually was a male so he can't lay eggs, but he's going to make a magical chicken and everyone's gonna get out of jail. That's why I think all right. I think Ward is going to find the drugs be super pissed because she I'll people already think she's giving TC favoritism and she just going to be really mad and probably take away her assistant privileges. I think that something very very very bad is going to happen to die. Shh, I just feel it. I don't see any upturn. I don't see any like click of different. I don't think that her I think the only reason she let a latest sit there is because it's like am I really about to call the saying I don't really care sit next to me. She's high right then. She's a care anyway, and I just feel like typically when something is going to change significantly significantly and a character's story. They kind of give us a little bit of a side and all we've seen is nothing but bad, so I just have I don't know. I feel like something bad's gonna happen to her. She's all that. Thank you very much. I always tend to end on the Doom and Gloom trying to change that next episode. Thank you all so much for watching. Thank you for joining us and chat. We love hearing what y'all have to say. We're going to be doing episode 9 right after this so stay tuned in another hour at 11 o'clock at 10 a.m. Pacific Standard Time. It worked. Yeah, whatever. Yeah, we're at AfterBuzz TV. Y'all can find me. Everywhere at April with some hand and you can find me on Twitter and Instagram and XOXO Cesc ache and you can find me on Instagram at I am be underscore Cheyenne CH I a NN e ye, so y'all Enlighten our our founder Keven undergaro and me Maria Menounos would like to thank you for tuning in to AfterBuzz TV. Remember, we're not just the first where the biggest in the world and were the only destination for all your favorite TV shows whatever you crave. We've got it. So go to AfterBuzz tv.com and check out our lineup buzz you later. Hmm. You described herein are those of the host only you do not necessarily reflect the views of AfterBuzz TV or its owners are principles.

Hosts April Whisenhant, Francesca Dugan and Breanna Chi’anne discuss Aleida’s return to prison and the beginning of her trying to ice Daya out from the drug business. Red tries to get Nikki to do her bidding, but it goes awry and Nikki is blamed. Piper “finds” herself and Alex finds McCullough. Join in on the discussion! ABOUT ORANGE IS THE NEW BLACK Orange is the New Black comes from "Weeds" creator Jenji Kohan about a women’s prison drama with comedy that takes no prisoners. Based on the acclaimed memoir of the same name by Piper Kerman, the series is about engaged Brooklynite Piper Chapman, whose decade-old relationship with drug-runner Alex results in her arrest and year-long detention in a federal penitentiary. To pay her debt to society, Piper must trade her comfortable New York life with fiancé Larry, for an orange prison jumpsuit and a baffling prison culture where she is forced to question everything she believes about herself and the world at large. As she struggles to adjust to her new reality, she finds unexpected laughter, tears, conflict and camaraderie amidst an eccentric and outspoken group of inmates.

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Hey everybody, this is Shane McCormick from the cheap home grow podcast. It's my pleasure to introduce you to my close personal friend, Eric Robichaud from Green Goddess Supply. He's been on the show in the past when he's talked about his home grow chamber and today he comes on the show to talk about why he thinks Auto flowers on the future for home Growers like you and I he brings up some good valid points about autos and I feel you'll benefit from listening to what he has to say. Please remember to press subscribe. Go and enjoy the show. Hello and welcome to the cheap home grow podcast a show for individuals that want to learn more about growing cannabis indoors. This is a podcast dedicated to helping you with your indoor growing Adventure. You'll learn how to grow your own and not have to rely on others for your medicine the cheap home grow podcast will also feature timely interviews. Use with cannabis industry veterans shaping the culture and politics of cannabis. All right here is your host Shane McCormick and the cheap home grow podcast. Hello everybody. This is Shane McCormick from the cheap home grow podcast. And on today's show. We are going to be talking about Auto flowers with the founder and CEO of Eric Robichaud of Green Goddess. They invented a grow box that targets Auto flowers. So I so I invited him on today. So Eric, if you would could you please tell my audience a little bit about yourself and then we can get right into the topic of Auto flowers. Yes. Thank you for having me today Shane. So as you mentioned I am the CEO of green to have a supply we started off about four years ago in the accessory business with Grinders and pipes and rolling. Is and storage boxes and sifter boxes and things like that and over the past four or five years the president of our company Vincent Betty has been prototyping a home grow chamber and it specifically tuned for auto flowers. And so we are as as we like to say quote unquote all in on auto flowers and real big fans of order flowers. So more than happy to sit here and talk about autoflowering. Our survey with sure. Well, you know, thank you for coming on the show. I do I do appreciate it. My pleasure. Yes. Now with that what that being said lets, you know, I mean prior to the recording here, we touched upon certain topics that you know that we both want to want to talk about the the the well the lighting the speed the hardiness the potency the yields and the Stress training as well and I'm sure will you know, we will discuss other things as well. But you know, you know going going I guess author that I mean what you know, I guess you know, my first question would be I mean, what are the typical Harvest times for somebody that wants to grow Auto flowers? Right? Right. Well, very very very very quick. Actually, you know what before we get into that. What am I if you don't mind? I'd like to step back a little bit and and frame this whole conversation with little ol history a little context. So the whole conversation sure most people thanks most people when you talk about cannabis and among casual users. I'm not insert necessarily saying about amongst Growers, but but certainly amongst casual users. Most people will say there are two broad subspecies of canvas, right? There's your indicas and your sativas. And then you have all these different strains they were up in cross cross breeds and so forth, but most people say, oh, you know, if you said how many types of cannabis are they not strange but you know subspecies most people would say to there's indica and sativa. And in fact, there's actually three the third one is called ruderalis and ruderalis is basically the the Genesis of this of the auto flower or the automatics as they're also called cannabis ruderalis. It's A Latin term that actually means ditch weed because in its normal native state, you know without breeding and so forth, you know, historically ruderalis is literally ditch weed hits closer to two hemp. If you will then then then like a sativa and indica the ruderalis had typically itself has very low potency very low THC and there's small little Bushy plants, you know, you're lucky to get an outside of them feel very low yield no potency. It's a crap product really in and of itself. Okay. The magic is that the ruderalis has several because of its genetics has several Behavior traits that are highly desirable highly desirable and and and folks have been you know, the the Breeders the genetics folks have been working on on breeding and crossbreeding ruderalis with your more traditional sativas and indicas to get some of the desirable attributes of the ruderalis, you know, sort of spliced into a normal sativa or indica. All right. So what I mean by this ruderalis the Ditch weed is is indigenous to Russia more up in towards Siberia. Okay, so it's north. If you would look on a map and you saw a like, you know, the Kush regions and stuff where it's warmer tropical, you know cannabis is used to growing in warmer climates and and you know, the higher humidities and so forth ruderalis. However, is that Hardy Russian sort of, you know, Darwin saliva, Of the fittest it's those cannabis seeds that the over over mutated over, you know millions of years to survive in cooler harsher climates. Okay. And so the net effect is that an auto flower plant has several attributes that are pretty desirable one is that they get their name from Auto flowers or automatics because they're not photo periodic like traditional. Cannabis plants. Okay. So for Growers when you're growing you have in your veg State and you're growing them and when you get to a certain point where now you want to induce blooming flowering you change your light cycle, right? So you're stimulating normal traditional cannabis drops and seeds in the spring grows, you know through the whole spring and Into Summer then starts flowering and then flowers and then by Fall, you know drop seeds and Sighs. Okay, and that's your that's the circle of life for cannabis plant. Make sure your formal outdoor grows. It can be, you know, seven to nine months as it goes through this whole process and what happens is with a normal photo periodic plant cannabis plant. It's going off of light cycles. So as you get into fall and you know, heading towards winter the days get shorter, so the plants noticed that when all the sudden they're not getting, you know, 18 hours of sunlight. Anymore and the days are getting shorter. They freaked out they stress out and they go oh, you know Falls coming and that's when they flower and and and then drop seeds and and you know prepare for the next season and died, right? So when you do an indoor grows, that's where you're controlling those lights, you're simulating the natural trip around the Sun for the Earth and you're so with order with oil flowers though, you know, dude. That they're more like a traditional house plant that just sort of grows blooms and dies on its own life time schedule. Sure. Okay. So the lighting doesn't matter you don't have to ever change the lighting. The other thing is they're used to growing in less humid environments. So humidity is much less of an issue and these sort of Russian the Siberian plants are just Logistics hardy hardy as hell. It just very Hardy Okay, so They don't care. I don't give a bleep. You know, they they humidity could be low temperatures can be lower light cycles. Don't matter. They just do their thing. Right and they do their thing incredibly fast Auto flowers can grow from from seed to harvest in 60 days traditional cannabis, you know a well outdoor grows and you talked in months and months and months all season long when you do when you're doing Inside grows and you're doing them in you know, three or four months, you know, you could be talking 60 to 90 days of flour. We're talking 60 days everything Veggie and flower. I mean right from seed. So it really fast. They also tend to be short and bushy more Squat and bushy than than like a traditional outdoor sativa, you know in Trends generally speaking, so What's happened is people have figured this out and there's been a lot of Leading Edge genetics work done out of Spain. They're really into Auto flowers in Spain and they've really been on The Cutting Edge of this and they started working on building their own cross breeds and and breeding plants that are your traditional indicas and sativas will all the terpene profile and and the boats petite she potency and You different CBD levels and so forth and getting that that normal, you know a train wreck or Granddaddy Purp or you know, whatever your strains are taking those strains and cross breeding them in such a way that you retain all of that you're taking the terpenes of the potency and all of that profile the cannabinoid profile. However, retaining some of the the characteristics of the oil flour to make them bloom and flower quickly and and And so forth. So what's happened is, you know, we like to say that you know this, you know the old commercial about you know, this isn't your Granddaddy's Oldsmobile, you know, or your father's Oldsmobile right? It's kind of like that autoflow this isn't it, you know, your father's order flowers what what you knew of order flowers and I'd say there's a huge swath of the public that just doesn't know anything about them is another huge chunk of people that have heard about it and know of them, but don't really know much detail and then there's another huge chunk of people that know of them and go off of what they know and they've read and there's a lot of negativity out there because you know, 10 years ago eight years ago, maybe even five years ago, you know issues with, you know, the genetics aren't necessarily stable or the potency was low or this or that or the other and those things are not necessarily incorrect, but, you know technology changes and and you know things have Rest and the state of the art today is that we have nice stable genetics in the auto flowers and they bring a tremendous number of benefits. Okay, we can talk about the truck watch some of those right? Yeah. Now what right I mean that's yeah. That's a good that's a good, you know a good topic. I mean what what are some benefits of growing with auto flowers, right? So we already hit on one which is the speed speed the exhaust You know, we're talkin we have strange that we drop a seed and one from Sprout, you know, 60 62 days later you done. I mean, even though on average like super Autos that grow extremely large and take longer these so-called super Autos are even you know, 92 on the outside is like 75 to 90 days drains. So and that has everything again veg and Bloom not just a not just flour. Our and so they move fast so that's really nice for indoor home grows. I mean, you can just keep turning these things, you know, every two months or two months and turning it bro, right so well, so I mean based on that math. I mean you can theoretically have six grows per year like you can yeah, you can harvest the six times. Right? Right, if you're pushing the envelope and they're all short in you and you're really moving you can jam in six I think so. You're right your mathematical. Correct more realistically though. We usually get four or five grows a good five because you know what'll happen is sometimes it might go, you know, 65 or 68 days. So it goes all the an extra week or and then you also have depends on how you doing. You're drying and curing like what we'll do our drying in the box. So that's three days of after it's all done, but we haven't started the next one yet because we're you know, so so there's some variables in there are using tensor using you know, how you Doing it you have multiple tens. Do you have your how you drying and but for someone doing like let's say just one plant at a time at home you've yes, you can get four to five harvests a year which is which is pretty pretty fantastic yields are for a single point yields a reasonable, especially in that time frame. Okay, we're getting you know, we and our box with our with our system and process or pretty Suddenly getting a quarter pound and we've gotten this highs just shy of half a pound on some of our some of our yields so would get yeah, so it's not like, you know, a lot of people think ruderalis like, you know order flowers are white skinny little puny plants. Maybe you're lucky to get an ounce, you know traditionally in the past. Yeah, but these days, you know, not so much we're pretty consistently getting 4 5 6 ounces out of a plant and you know weeks in like 60 days. What I mean Jesus, yeah. Yeah for the for the personal home grow now obviously that's that's not necessarily for you know, your Warehouse commercial Growers and dispensaries, you know, their massive grow operations and stuff. But but when you're when you're growing a single plant for personal home use or a couple of plants. Yeah, that's pretty phenomenal. You can grow because you know you and there's also a little bit of a trade-off to and we've been doing some of this math and you know, I haven't known some of this math Speed versus yield. This is the point to a smaller plant. But if you can get five of them a year, you're going to end up with with a lot more yield than you know, if you're getting you know, 50% more, you know, or whatever plant but they take three times longer, you know that sort of thing. So there's trade-offs in speed versus yield sure. But but yeah we're finding speed is is a huge thing. The the yields are these are for a personal home grow, you know, if you can get four five six ounces in 60 days, and now you've six days later, you've got you next one going the average the average personal home Growers. You're not going to smoke a pot. What's your Snoop Dogg? You know, you're not yet. You're not smoking that much that all of a sudden all of a sudden your next one's ready, you know and even for myself I'm a daily smoker and I grow a plant and I'm nice too. Half of it left and now the next one is ready and you know, so I've got I've always got jars from you know, five or six different Harvest that different, you know one's almost empty. The other ones have full the other ones told, you know, I have four jars from this one, but I have half a jar left that one well always have four or five different strains going because yeah, I mean just can't even you just get ahead of yourself. You can't even smoke that much, you know, absolutely and I mean, you know, and as you know, I mean my podcast it's called it's called cheap home grow. And I mean, it sounds like if you take the time to learn how to Show yourself. I mean you can get your money back within you know, maybe you know, maybe one grow. Oh, yeah. Yeah, when if you're if you stop you think about that just what it cost you to buy all the equipment and you know and delighting in the you know, whether you doing tents and lighting or you doing like our growth chamber or however you're doing it or just building, you know, building a room, whatever. Yeah, if you add up the cost of you know a tenth or and lighting and whatnot if you're getting Five ounces at an average street price now, obviously it varies by markets and all that stuff. But right now in the US average street price is around $300 an ounce, you know, you get 4 or 5 ounces. I mean that's twelve fifteen hundred dollars. So yeah, you you can theoretically yeah, we're versus going to dispensaries and pain, you know, and that sort of thing definitely pays for itself in the like as instantly as pretty much the first grow and then the by your second grow your way ahead of the game because now you've already bought all the equipment the second row is like what $40 and some sort and you know water and you know, so so yeah, it's definitely cost effective highly cost effective to do it yourself. All right, I mean we've well, you know some what what I always found interesting about Autos is the lighting aspect of growing with auto flowers now, I mean what what now I know you talked a little bit about this but I mean, you know, what is the typical light cycle? I guess one should Pay attention to when you're growing with Autos. Sure. Okay, and there's a lot of debate about this. So I'll say this the one key factor is that auto flowers are great for personal home use again. Not the professional who like has just eons of years of skill and expertise and you know full-time staff multiple people and all the electronics and monitoring sensors and this and that and just really going to town when you have personal home grower and especially if you just started Turn off auto flowers are really nice because like I said, they are so hardy they grow really fast and and I'll just speak to you for a second from the from the from the home grow, you know casual home grow perspective when the fact that they go fast really helps because you just have less time to screw up be honest, right? You know, it goes fast as it's done. It's okay. Okay, you're done. You know, it's not like this is this is you know, Four months where now you can have you know, these are the you know door or whatever or overload and problems and you know, the faster you go the the less the chances for basically screwing up like for being exactly which is which is helpful. I kind of laugh at that might make fun of it but it's more casual home grower. That's that's a that's a nice benefit. You know that Noble nor also hard here like if you screw up and you had a little too much, you know humidity to little humidity or you've got But it's a little too warm a little too cool. It's a little bit. There's a broader range of tolerance for these Auto flowers They're more Hardy plants. So that helps with the Casual home grower, you know, you have a little bit more leeway there not as you know, I'm not saying that you can go you can freeze the thing out or have it in, you know hundred degree temperatures either but but there's just it is just a greater leeway that is there more forgiving and the fact that they go So fast, it also means they use a lot less nutrients. Sure. Okay, and then the lighting dish there's they don't they don't care about the lighting right? So they're not using it for photo periodic purposes. You know, it's not like, you know, you have a power outage and it throws off your light cycle at home, you know, whatever and now all of a sudden you're screwed because you think starts blooming on you or whatever or or just whatever, you know, you're not going to run into these issues because it's just much more Hardy and it doesn't care about the life cycle so much. Much now that said there's a lot of debate with auto flowers. What is the right or the best and I put that in there quotes quote-unquote light cycle light. Yeah, like cycle what we do what I do. I do 18 and 6 18 hours on six hours off and light a nice long summers day. Okay. Sure. Is a lot of debate there are people who say and this the one thing that is true is that the light is the food? Okay, we use the term plant food and when we talk about nutrient stuff when we say plant food and all that stuff the light is the food. Okay, that's a key concept. The light is the food that's what the plant. Okay sure more fight you're going to get bigger bigger plants bigger yield as a general rule. Okay. So now Now people will push it and do like 20 hours on and forth instead of 18 6. They'll do 20 and 4 and there are people that push the extreme and say e 24 hours just never turn off the lights just go just just blast them get you'll get the best yields and there are people who swear that, you know, I've never had a problem and you know, you've seen online forums and so forth and it's really funny, you know with Growers and stuff. It's kind of a Community in certain ways. I love the community very very generous. You know people always like, you know swapping we go to these different trade shows and stuff people always swap. It baggies of a here. Here's my latest girl with yourself a mine and you know and very very free with advice and thoughts and it's a great community and the flip side though. I will say we've also noticed like especially in online forums and stuff when it comes to Growing. It's so open ended everybody's a know-it-all everybody. D so you'll hear people arguing, you know, the in 24 hours you get the best deals. It's always been fine for me. He always been fine for me. Obviously. I don't know. I don't have a benchmark against what they're doing and versus what they could be doing. And is it good but you know, you take take it. Okay that you know, everyone has their own experiences and at the end of the day, you know, do it works for you but what we found and and working with experts and botanists and so forth plants are living Things and they need time to rest and they and what happens is yes, you can you will get bigger yields with a 24-hour light cycle and will more light is more yield. That is true. However that stresses the plant out if it never ever ever has a chance to rest that will stress the plant out and you'll have weaker immune systems and other issues so you can be more prone to disease problems. You can be more prone to other issues. So there are trade-offs. We find for the healthiest strongest plants, etcetera, etcetera. We like to do 18 and 6 anybody who does XX + 4 I think it's personal preference. And personally I have nothing to say I'm like, okay right go, you know, the people would do in 24 hours straight with no break. We do push back on that and again, you know, it's a lot of it's anecdotal and but Well, like I said all the experts I thought to and botanist and so forth, you know, it is a living thing and it needs time to rest and there's a lot of debate but there's a lot of thinking right now that also with photos with oil flowers. I mean versus photos that a lot of their photosynthesis and food processing the roots are a lot more involved in underground a lot more involved process than with more traditional cannabis, and it's not fully understood. Good, but it is this thinking that there's a lot more going on and it needs dark periods that it just does so we do 18 and 6 but like I said, 20 20 and 4 will be fine, but we don't really recommend a 24-hour like cycle. Okay. All right, and and you know one I guess one final thing that I would like I would like to talk about is is when it comes to Otto's is stress training. I mean, how does one effectively stress strain? When you are growing Auto flowers, right, right, so it is different order flowers are very different. And and and again there's a lot of debate going back and forth about you know, stress training and and and defoliating and and so forth the general conventional wisdom is that you know, you're not topping you don't top of them you we do low-stress training not high stressed. And with Autos what we have found and like anything else you can push things your results May Vary a little bit depending on other things you're doing but in general we find that the more, you know, you don't top them because they'll basically they'll die. They are life cycles. It comes down to this. The life cycle is so short that that and they move so fast that when you're trying to do, you know like with topping and and And you know all your different defoliation and pruning techniques and stuff. They don't have enough to express the planet. It doesn't have enough recovery time that they just move so fast, it's not like you have you know months for you know weeks or months for the for the for this plant to go through it stress phase and kind of recover. So what happens is when you do those things you start compromising the immune system of the plant that can lead to all kinds of other problems with disease and pests. And it can lead to you know, lower uptake nutrients and all kinds of things. And so what we do is low straight what we call low stress training technique. Okay, and I've done tests like, you know little again, you know, you get your folks in the forum's everyone to know it. All right, everyone knows everything you feel like you're not the bullying enough. You do folio. You can't believe I put all the time more aggressive and we've done we've done tests I've done Um of myself have two plants growing side by side planted seeds at the same day. They sprouted the same day. They're exactly on the same time frame the same clock now, I obviously even with the same genetics, you know, it's just like people and I use the analogy all the time my kids. I have twins. Hmm. But the same biological parent. So born on the same day. They were twins right chemical environments identical everything, right and they're completely different ones a boy wants a girl ones tall ones short It just different they're completely different. Okay, so no, even the same strain getting seeds from the same plant and you drop them. They can grow different so I get that but in broader Strokes we've got I've done enough of my own seen it with my own eyes that when I'm more aggressively are defoliating and getting more aggressive with a plant it leads to smaller yields, and I have a plant that I that I've been fooling around with right now. I'm doing it on purpose. I really soup. I've been super super super aggressive with it and we'll see when it's done. But I'm expecting I'm it's going to be the lowest yield ever probably by half. I'm gonna get like two ounces out of that thing. I think and I haven't gotten under for on any of my plants. I'm always getting 4 5 6. I think I'm gonna get to on this one, but it was an experiment and I went and went bananas and I really really was aggressive. I'm getting big fat buds, but I've got like maybe six tops. Normally, normally I've got you know, 12 14 18 tops. So it's been it's been interesting. Yeah, it's very sparse plant. It's a small plant a mother even get about 2 ounces. I'm estimating. So it's you know, there's trade-offs. What we usually do is low-stress training. What we'll do is we will do things like use bamboo Stakes pull the plant apart pull it out at like, you know, some of the some of the colons will pull them out at a 45 degree. Degree angle, let's the light get deeper down into the middle and let some of the smaller ones grow up and create kind of like new tops take the main stem bend it over at a 90 degree angle and then let the the branches become new tops. So we'll do you know in stake it down. So we'll do some of those things. We're bending the the tree and pulling it apart and and that's all part of that low-stress training. You want to create short bushes. You don't want like Christmas tree you want a bush, you know, you don't want a tall legging, you know, sort of been though going straight up that's six feet tall. You want to you want to pull it apart. So we do that on purpose in the main stem will bend it over, you know be about 3/4 inches were up from the soil you bend it over a 90 degree angle. And now all of a sudden it creates a whole bunch of new shoots, you know, they the branches turn around and create new tops and grow up and you keeping it short and squat and fat. Okay, and and that Helps with your yields and and then we talk, you know, we do a lot of talking about know what you have your buds. Right? And then you have these fan leaves big fan leaves and you know, you need those for photosynthesis and and you know, we're taking the light converting and making food from the light right there a t-shirt now those least that's the way aggressive defoliation take too many of that off. Then you have less food generates food. Now, what now? What does the what does the talking? You exactly does it does it basically give the plant more food is I would just said yes. Oh, so what happens is what I mean by talking is we literally take like say you have a big family, right? They can be the size of your hand like, yeah, open your palm and spread your fingers across make a big like I5 shut Fred wide. Well, you have a family that big on one of these plants, right? Sure. So you have this button those fan leaves, you know, they create shade. So what happens is everything under is getting blocked from the light now well, well instead of defoliating meaning actually like when you if you would defoliate that basically the way I do it you can use pruning scissors and stuff. But I just use my thumb and my index finger and just take that stem right right go right down to wear to the to the to the crotch of where that that leaf meets the stem and you just pinch it and just pinch it off you like like break it off, right? All right, okay if it's so small and so thin and And they're you know, they're not hard. I mean it's not hard at all so you can just slide down there and just pinch it off and just you cut it, you know, just what your fingernails well if you actually remove that leaf now you let in more light down into it, but you've also removed part of its food factory right part of History, you know, the photosynthesis and stuff going on with those leaves. So so you've allowed more light in but the trade-off is you know you You kill in food production. So instead what we do is we tuck it down underneath like a literally just bend it down. Usually it you can't do that. If the plan is very very sparse. There's nothing to tuck it to but as it starts getting thicker and thicker and filling out you can come down and tuck it under and let it cook down between the branches. So now it's out of the way it's not blocking the light from the lower nugs anymore. Hmm But the plan but that leaf is still there catching light and producing. You know doing it photosynthesis and producing food for the plant down and away, right? Okay. All right, Eric. Well, I mean we've talked about lighting potency yields training the actual speed of growing Arts gives me the speed when it comes to Growing With Autos. I mean and I guess as a final question, is there any is are there any other questions that I should be asking or any final statements that you would like to make? Yeah, basically two things I'll touch on real quick is that another benefit of Autos is that you don't go through nearly as much nutrients and and in some cases depending on the strain and how fast they move and is a little bit strained dependent but we have a lot of them I'd say I'm just totally making this up now, but you know just kind of from the gut I'd say probably 60 or 70 percent of the plants that I've grown or more 80% of the plan. So I've grown, you know, you they don't even go there. all the nutrients like if you start off with a super soil, you know with all loaded up with your nutrients they grow so fast, they don't even deplete all the nutrients by the time they're done really so it just makes it really easy to grow these Auto flowers and again for the home user, you know, you may need to supplement, you know with some nutrients are some Bloom food or whatever towards the end, but it's not like traditional cannabis where you're just into that from day one or you know, you're growing in a Coco medium and you're putting it in Hydroponics and you have to measure in all your nutrients from day one. It's just much simpler, but for the home grow and to give you touched on potency and I'll just underscore that first one quick second and say that in this day and age, you know, what I go to these trade shows and stuff and I walk around see seed banks. I'll ask them. Do you so Lodo's and they're like, no man. No, man, and I'll be like, oh, all right, and they'll and sometimes they'll be like, you know, a lot of them. They just selling regulars, right and a lot of them they'll be home and we don't we don't sell. As you know, we were all we only deal with stable genetics. Well, okay five years ago. That was a valid argument today. There are plenty of stable genetics and you know, that's kind of old information and then the and I mean, it depends on who you're going to and you know, but if you get a good Bri, you go into a like in the Sisto or fast buds on to Spain and some of these guys, you know, they're they have good stable genetics. The the other thing is we talked about Yields, and potency yields of come way up and potency. You really can't tell a difference between an auto flower and a regular traditional. You know, if you're white widow you Northern Lights or whatever. We've been taking them for testing. I've been doing testing and I'm I think the lowest I've gotten was run 19 percent THC concentration and which you know, that's my lowest and and that's you know, pretty darn good. That's a nice sweet. I mean back in the day in the 70s. 80s and the Cheech and Chong days. They were spoken 10 and 12 percent THC week, you know Norm, you know, so our low as you know around that 18-point something 19 percent and we're getting 20 22 24 routinely on these things. So potency is not an issue there, you know at all. And so, you know, I really think that we go so far as to say, I think that oil flowers are kind of the wave of the future as people get more familiar with them start realizing more and more. Or that, you know the potencies there there you really you know, and a blindfold test you wouldn't be able to tell the difference in the end results because you're with crossbreeding, you know, the genetics, you know, the these breeders are their crossbred sure. So you're getting the same terpene profiles and cannabinoid profiles and so forth and and they just grow faster. They're a lot more forgiving with like screw-ups with lighting or humidity and temperature. Things like that and they just a lot easier to go. So I you know, we're finding more and more as people start realizing and discovering this and we're seeing it online on the forms with people are saying well, I just tried my first this was awesome. I just try my first Auto this was my first automatic. You know, this was great. I'm getting more and so I think it is the word future. All right Eric. Um, yeah, man, we'll listen. I do appreciate I do appreciate coming on the show and you know, and I know you've been on the Show once before but listen, man, I would I hope to have you on in the in the near future. Absolutely. It's my pleasure, and you have to have a topic that you want to discuss some more unhappy. Mmm God. Thank you very much. Thanks. Have a great day. Hey everybody. 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It's my pleasure to bring on my close friend Eric Robichaud from Green Goddess Supply Company. To give you a little background about Eric, he's a Rhode Island entrepreneur and has had many successful business endeavors in his business life. His past company Rhode Island Software Systems even has it's own Wikipedia page. Eric comes on the show today to talk about why he thinks autoflowers are going to be the wave of the future for cannabis home growers. He makes valid arguments as to why he thinks so and one of his main points was autoflowers give the home grower less time to mess up there grows. There's been a lot of talk in the past about the stability of autoflower genetics coming into question in the past years but he points out there's been a tremendous amount of progress on this front coming out of Spain. I feel your going to enjoy this conversation between Eric and I and the information he provides is going to be extremely benefital.

I'm Ryan Yates and you listen to Forest find cast in North America.So we are delighted on this Forest fantast special stoppage-time episode to welcome Paul Taylor to the show better known as Tails formerly with the knotting and post for a quarter of a century. If you can believe it now with the athletic welcome to the show Paul. Glad to be here. Yeah, well, we're delighted to have you on we've been we've been trying to organize this for a while. Now if that Paul and I started talking about when Forrest last played Derby not the most recent game, but the one before that and we were trying to decide whether record pre or post that match schedules didn't quite work out and so for us to play Dhabi again since and we'll talk about that here during this conversation pool, but thanks so much for joining us. Really appreciate it Paul. I mentioned to you off Mike. That's what I'm not able to watch Forest online obviously being here in the United States. Sometimes that can be a bit challenging not always able to watch the games live. So instead have to follow them on Twitter. My preference is to follow your feed on Twitter than it is to follow the club's. How about that? That's really good. I'm glad to hear somebody does and I also mentioned to you as well. I think most of our listeners would agree. You probably that you have the second best job as it relates to Nottingham Forest. The first best of course would be pulling on the Garibaldi and taken to the field there at the city ground but to be so close to the team to be following the team that must be something that I mean it does it still give you a buzz Paul after all these years don't called. Yeah. Absolutely. You know, I recognize that I'm a hugely fortunate position and you know sometimes on Twitter somebody will say to you that the or opinions not valid because you get paid to watch for is what poor what He's like I fully embracing fully realize how fortunate we are to get have a job working in the media getting paid to you know, do what we've been doing on a Saturday afternoon. Anyway watching watching a game of football at a great place like the city ground or around the championship, you know any money for something I probably would pay to do. Otherwise, it's great. It's fantastic and there's not a day that goes by where you don't you don't feel fortunate to be in the position that you're in to be able to write about football and write about the sport that you love. It's it's a boy Great job. It's just fantastic Every Day brings. You you something new Germany. It's great. Now Paul as I mentioned in the intro. Most of our listeners would know you from your time at the Nottingham post again to say a quarter of a century. It sounds ridiculous, but I'm sure the time flew by obviously that's it's been a change in your life recently made a pretty significant change leaving the post and moving over to the athletic you boy. They seem to be gathering traction at a clip. I mean, they are everywhere right now. Was wishful thinking behind the move pretty straightforward really it's just, you know, a new challenge. I want I would never say that anything's wrong or anything is bad or that people would take in the wrong direction in the media. But the athletic that we are taking a very different path where we're hoping that quality journalism and really getting our teeth into things in depth and with lots of different voices in it and perhaps looking at things from a different angle to the way. Other people my giving it some real time and effort and you know really doing your background on every article you do and giving it some love if you like will persuade people that just paying a small amount of money for a subscription is worthwhile for for what we hope is good journalism and from my point of view, if if you're enjoying what you're writing and I think it shows in what the end product ends up being. I think it comes through if you if you've got a real passion for what you're delivering and a real passion for the subject. Mattern and you've got the time to go and talk to people then I think the end product ends up being much much better. I'd never say a bad word about the poster talks. I was there for 25 years ago. Absolutely. Fantastic. I'm I'm grateful for the chance. They gave me and I've got some great great memories from my time there and so much change from from from the first days when I was there and in the old former Street officers that are now the Corner House in Nottingham a big retail center with the other dish huge office the post. Literally 400 people working there and that the presses were under in the basement of the building and when the pressure started the whole building Shook and they go down and get a copy of a copy of the paper and it just fantastic, you know, knowing that what you'd written was going to be impressed on in print within minutes and there was a certain Nostalgia to that but the whole industry is changing now, it's all about the internet and you know, the priorities are different but I think going to the athletic now is give me an opportunity to get back. early days at the post when really took pride in what you did and really get excited when you saw saw your name in print now now you kind of take a sense of pride in in what we're producing at the athletic when you when you see your name at the top of the article that you've you've put a bit of love and a bit of care and attention into trying to make it as good as it possibly can be hopefully, yeah, it's interesting that you talk about, you know, the good old days in the days of manual typewriters and You don't know if our that that far back. Oh, come on now. Come on. Now. I remember using those at school. Don't be coy. The pope was only with I think the first newspaper the country to to use computers. Wow. Yes. There's a small time to find that will be long ago. When I when I went there that you know, it was already computerized in the days of somebody having a fag and slaving over a tight writer William. That was the image I had of you with your little Fedora on you. Slip of paper tucked in the band puffing away on your Woodbine or yammering away furiously on the manual keyboard there. Anyway, congratulations on your new gig pool and certainly I enjoyed reading many of the pieces that you've written. I reached out to you about the piece you wrote particular regarding the Forest Academy, which is just thought was outstanding. So I certainly would encourage our listeners if nothing else to go check out that piece. It was really really good. The work that that sums up what I'm talking about, but there was one of the most enjoyable things I've written in years. It was it was brilliant Forest give us unbelievable access to go and talk to people in the academy to go Brazil. I've known you a long time since he was not scouting manager briefly, you know, Joe walls when you get time to sit down with someone like Joe Worrell who on the face of it seems like you you might think is your average young footballers just bothered about cars or or chasing women or whatever but he is and it is really more is quite an intelligent. And fellow and quite a deep thinker and spending a bit of time with images talking to him in there. He was so passionate about the path. He's taken and what that Academy gave to him. It. It just makes you realize that, you know, not not every footballer take for granted the position. They're in I think some some of them genuinely do like me realize that they're very fortunate to be doing the job that they get to do. Yes, they're very well paid for it. Yes, they, you know, get all the accoutrements that come with being A professional football and money adulation fangs would agree nice cars big houses and stuff, but I think he loves it every day of the week when he goes out to train and gets to play football on a Saturday afternoon and fair play to him for that. I think it comes across when you talk to him. He's a lovely ladies, you know, I really hope he continues on the trajector ejector. He's on because he seems to be heading heading to go places with his career. It's funny. I ever have a real affection for fierce play by called Fierce players play. It really play with a heart on their sleeve and it just you know will run through a brick wall for year people like Stuart Pearce briefly, of course, Rory Keen, but the thing you get with were always you get that but you also you plays with a smile on his face. I mean it needs he seems like he is accessible. It seems like it really is a nice lad and you didn't often see Stuart Pearce or Roy Keane crack a smile, but we were all you get you get that side of his personality to and that certainly comes through in the article. He said he talks very passionately about the parties on with forest and And his love for the team. So again, I would encourage our listeners to check that out speaking of not your forest and feeling good. Obviously, we're at here in North America. So we don't have the benefit of being in the community pool. We don't we don't get the benefit of the connect directly engaging with all that's going on in the city right now that's forest related, but it feels to us from this side of the pond like it really is a sincere feel good Factor right now around not in forest and around some of what this new Gee, ma doing at the club obviously with your with the with Forza Garibaldi coming onto the scene and everything that they've been doing over the last couple of years for us to bring get some really positive national. Press not just local press but on the national scene as well. What do you think? That is Paul? What do you think's happening in the city right now? And how do you feel this new regime this new leadership at different from those that went before and how are they influencing what's going on? Welcome, it does come from the top. You know, we I was fortunate enough to spend some time in in Greece this summer in Athens. When when Forrest played in pi cos that's right. Yeah, they the people out there was so friendly like the Olympia cost media people and all the staff Olympiacos to be fair, but they were really kind and really proud in the way that they kind of took us on tours of the city and showed us all the facilities that they've got there and buy that Maybe the facilities our incredible to training down was awesome. The main stadium was just breathtaking and but beyond that they've got like humble centers. They Olympiacos as a club in an institution really form the heartbeat of the community. They're everywhere every corner you turn is a libguide cost building of some description. There's some kind of sporting venue or offices. They've got some really nice officers down by the harbor side in close to piraeus that Amongst the prettiest football officers, you'll have to see but is more about the club being at the heart of the community every day. They they feed literally thousands of homeless people through the club. Literally a thousand two thousand people a couple of times a day get fed might buy the club more Marin a kiss himself has overseen the Redevelopment of every school in the Athens area that's close to the club paid for the clubs for the schools to To you know, but whatever be decorated being rebuilt or whatever everything that everything that olympiakos stands for is about being part of the community and they tried to do the same thing and not going in. You can see it. He went to the launch of the the latest launch of the next phase of the the stadium Redevelopment at the city ground last night. And again everything they talked about a lot of it was about the community about how not only will the newsstand give the players the best possible. Preparation for a football match give fans the best surroundings to watch the games from but more than that or non match days. It'll be used for Community projects for the schools to come in and take part in various schemes. They've got four for so many wide-reaching things that the club want to do to make sure that their their tentacles reach out into the community and make the club whether you like football or not. They make the club Central to the community of West Bridge within broader Nottingham as well. And I think that's the ethos that Everything is built on it Forest. It's about family. It's about Community. It's about about togetherness. And I think that's brilliant. You know, it's something that's important to Marry Marcus and their thought him being the big boss. It's important to everybody else beneath him as well and most of the things that the club seem to have done since he's been the majority owner of being centered around that I think it's brilliant and I think that is the heart. Is it the heart of this this kind of spirit, you know this positivity. That's the the surrounding Forest the minute there's other things in it as well. Like, you know, Sabrina meucci's coming in and absolutely brilliantly since he's taken over as head coach. He's in still the team spirit that's not been there for a while but everything everything comes from the top top downwards and I think fans are buying into having, you know, the prospect of a revamp City ground somewhere that they can take pride in and you know, perhaps not just look back to their brilliant history, but have something to look forward to in the future as well. Yeah, it is remarkable that much of what this new leadership have done much of what everyone associated with the club have been doing this last year 18 months or so. I want to say everything he touches turns to Gold that's a little flippant and it you know, there was a lot of hard work that goes into everything that's happening both on and off the pitch. But you know Lucchese are really interesting case study in that put you on the spot here Paul. Did you know how to pronounce his name properly before he arrived at the city ground? So know what I've never asked him if I pronounced it right yet. Suppose you were right. He do you I'm guessing it's right because you've not told me it's wrong just yet. Basically, he's a case study. I mean and I think Bruce Samba is another one we talked about him on the podcast. How has a goalkeeper like briefs Samba a goalkeeper who I think we all agree could be plying his trade in the Premier League. How did he go under the radar? How did for allow Forest able to snag him hours he become our number one and it's things like that that really quite astonishing and like you said, I think all go back to leadership and the way the all the clubs being run. Yeah. Well, do you know you're right some very basic only played one full season of football prior to Forest finding them and what they have got is a good A good scout in there working in place now in LED up by hosseini go and muddy Stowe to clearly very Stupid man who have no a footballer when they spot one minute look back at the work. They've done this summer when you look at Bryce Amber, but also Samba sow out for some Edo Thiago Silva Yuri Ribeiro. I don't think they've made a bad sign in the summer are Emirates. Perhaps hasn't impressed particularly, but you know, we don't know how we would have, you know, he might well have rallied in and got better had he had more time in the side obviously now since Sam was in and and done as well as he's done. It's going to be awhile. You suspect before me or if she's got any chance to prove that he's better but you know broadly speaking the work of forest have done in the summer in the transfer market has been absolutely brilliant and that that's another area where you know, there's a real sense of optimism as they look ahead to January where they you know, they got to do a little bit of work just to getting ready for the second half of the season but you feel pretty confident. They're there they're going to go out and sign good players, hopefully. Let's focus on the players then pool for a few minutes and just look at them through the lens of our most recent game time of recording. That is the most recent victory over Darby. We should just take out the word Victory there for now and we just assume that we're always going to be Darby is that it's just a way of things anymore. Now, I'm certainly as a long-term Forest fan. I'm certainly not taking that for granted. I think I current run is fantastic. This current streak were on and long. May it continue, but I recognize that it you know it. At some point it will come to an end. Nonetheless forestry able to rack up another win against our be one meal. What about that game pool particularly interesting pressed you as far as forests performance and more broadly which players have impressed you so far this season the forest. Well what I'll start with the first pit and what's impressed me most not just against Darby but all season is I think the foundations for fight success under limit So far, it's just been disciplined organization and strength, you know, you look at Players. Like I know they didn't play against our view but sounds for me though, the renewal of the Rejuvenation of Ben Watson at the back wall and Dawson Bryce sambars a big strong lad. They've got a spine there that's really strong and Ryan 8 since you know sounds made up in injured they've got spine there. That's really really Wrong, they don't get bullied anymore Forest. Don't get off the ball there. They're really there are capable of rolling the sleeves or combat in as well as playing football and that's been the foundation for me. And it certainly there was that Fierce level of organization and determination and grit that really saw them through against Darby for for much of the game. They almost played like an away side. They they look to keep things tight to be Compact and play on the counter attack and hurt Darby on the counter and it worked brilliantly they Loud or be so few sites of goal. So few opportunities and fortunately they've got players in their own side who your tend to take the chances when they come their way. No nobody more so than Louis grabbing that you would like to see more create more chances. I think they do need to find a way to get a little bit more attacking threat if they want to carry on the momentum that they've got right now, but I think when that's the biggest criticisms biggest criticism, you can find of the team then you're not in a bad position. If the biggest complaint you've got is that you'd like to see them win by more goals. Then you're not in a bad spot really are you so do you name-checked a few players are poor are there other one or two in particular who have really not just it out to you but maybe surprised you this season by their performances so far. I think when you look at the impact that gonsalvez and Diaz had last season and it wasn't it wasn't generally a positive one without being too negative you The got a level of concern that when you saw Thiago Silva and Yuri, Ribeiro come into the squad you kind of wondered if they were going to fall by the wayside in a similar fashion. So yeah whilst it was completely unfounded skepticism in the sense that you just thought by their side another to Portuguese players. They're probably going to be rubbish as it turned out that they couldn't be more more different, you know Thiago Silva produced one of the best performance I've seen in the Forester and a long time against Darby was he was fantastic. He was frankly taking the Mickey half a time. It was it was it was brilliant to watch his life was like three or four clips of just Out like Mickey taking I was going to say something stronger that but I won't you can do Paul. It's okay. We have an explicit racing. So some of the the tricks on the edge of the box where he just went one way. Click the ball one way then flicked it back here little elastic. Oh, yeah, the one we played some our played a pass off his own leg just ridiculous. And then he was just Sublime. He was brilliant. It was fantastic, and I think if you If you're asking me which players have perhaps surprise me or or being back then I thought that might be I'd probably say silver and Ribeiro and Ribeiro you can see he started off as a career as a Winger and you can kind of see that in the way. He plays at fullback. He's is all about getting forward and being a tap minded and you know getting into the final third and making things happen. It's ironic actually because you know for the first time in years Forest of got not just one but two decent left backs. Yeah, that's right, but a problem for you. Is there not somebody's left back and now they've got to because you know, Jack Robinson is probably one of the best. They've had a long time. He's just a bit more but more defensive minded. So they've got they've got good options there tap minded fullback their defense with one. So yeah. No, I agree. It's interesting. When you talk about the Deluge of Portuguese players, we had sure Paul with in quick succession. It kind of gave me shades of David Platt and you know, here's this Italian Renaissance that didn't quite pan out did it so kind of interesting. Also the point you made is right about silver I think is an important one, but it feels I think DeForest fans I can't Speak for all of them poor, but I think from what we hear back from our listeners and what we see on Twitter. And of course, everything is on Twitter Paul is a hundred percent accurate. So it feels to us like silver and occasionally, you know King Cabo and and it's very very occasionally not as much as we'd like, but Joe Lolly occasionally they have this this flashes these flashes of skill, right? They have these moments of offensive Brilliance, and I think there's a general Neural concern that there's not enough of that. I mean back to your point earlier pool. Yes. The team is incredibly well organized. Yes. It's very difficult to be I'd suggest this may be riding. It's like a little bit it looks to me as though we're a little susceptible on the back post to just about every cross that comes into the box. But but nonetheless there is a degree of organization there. There's a degree of just grit that we haven't had in the past which is great to see and will carry you through a season will help you draw. Games you should lost or win games that you would like to draw. We'd like to see a little bit more flare though. We'd like to see a little more offensive output. So as we head toward that January transfer window, what do you think the team need to be looking at Paul to help us develop that side of the game the season? Well, no the very top of their shopping list. This this is generally a fact the top of their shopping list is a striker and a player can play there's a Winger or an attacking midfielder. That's their their their two priorities and January and they'll look to to the first to sign is the one to make and perhaps the only two priorities. They've got to sign to sign two players in that mold. They're very keen on Dwight kale as we get closer to January. I think that's starting to look more and more like a difficult signing because they weren't they won't be the only clubs involved trying to get him by any means and there's still the question of whether Newcastle will let him go at all, but it's somebody of that caliber. I want and I don't think that's necessarily reflection on Louis grab it because they rate in very highly and rightly. So but the minute with complete respect to r a farmer who I think is probably a better player than he gets credit for in some I agree. I agree. I'm not sure having said that without contradicting myself too much that if Louis grabbing words getting Jude would you would you fairly expect reformers come in and do the same job. He doesn't get the same amount of goals. I think if we're honest the answer is probably no I agree. Also, we need somebody else to just support Louis if he gets injured or suffers a dip in form or get suspended because you know, you can't expect him to play 40 40 odd games this season. Yeah. It did. We saw last season that he had a you know, when he had a little niggling Achilles problem. They didn't go away. It really impacted on him in the second half of the Season. He wasn't quite the same player, but you know, what? What is encouraging his it's a bit Amici seems to be a man. To the can really get the best out of them. We were talking to grab the other day and he was saying we asked him. What gets the best out of him what kind of manager gets the best out of them? You just said somebody who's respectful and honest and then went on to talk about how the mutual is exactly that I'm not sure. He's always seen eye-to-eye with Forest previous managers certainly not join the spell when he was injured in there was a debate about whether it is being pushed too hard or about whether we should play or not, but I think the Meucci somebody who's found the right wavelength to to communicate with with lewisham and and get the best from him. I don't think A difficult play to manage. I think he's actually quite just an intelligent deep thinking kind of character and you need to be on the same wavelength as him to get the best out of it. And it feels like the meet you very much is hmm. Yeah. It's interesting. Actually when you consider the mooji and you consider grab an obviously all we have to go by is the public face of both, but they do seem to be cut from similar cloth in the way. They carry themselves and the way they talk and what seems to be the importance to them. So that doesn't surprise me to hear that pool. So a few speech times ago. We had David Jackson on the show. I'm sure you know, well lovely guy. Yeah now and we're either put him on the spot. We had five rapid-fire questions that we shot his way. I said not to think about them too much just to give us his knee jerk response to each. You know, I've talked to Jack. Oh before he couldn't help himself Paul. He gave us a response. Then he spent 10 minutes justifying it. So you're welcome to do the same my friend. Whatever comes to I want to go ahead and hit you with the same five questions if you wouldn't mind. Take a friend. All right, here we go home sure or away shirt away. Shh. Oh, that's interesting. Jacko said the same thing. Do you have a reason for that? I know I just told you. This is a very rapid fire, but I'm curious now. It's I have no real. Explanation for it. So I just thought I just like the color. Okay. I'll try to think of something more profound. But Jack said the same thing he talked about specifically about the current, you know, two-tone blue, which I'm not a massive fan of but the one thing I do like about the away kit is I like the Mystique right? You never quite know what's going to come out right? Are they going to be playing in blue? Are they going to be playing in black and they get any playing in you know neon orange? Which has ever happened yet. So there you go forested on that one. All right class stand or Bridge friend. cost and right 1979 or 1980 sub to line. Okay you and you and Jack are very consistent right now and I suspect you're also going to agree on this one Pierre van hooijdonk or Stan collymore stir. There you go. All right. He's actually just realize it was six questions, but it's number five again. Probably the most contentious of the lat you need to think on this one pool. Okay, Robin heard or Sherwood bear. Robin Hood's, come on. Let's go. There's so much connected with Robin Hood and Nottingham is no it's like yeah, he's not finished everything. That's about the place. Very good. Alright, let's see if you're a sweet. But Jaco is see if you had 2% final question League or cup. League league every day of the week. I've always been out the Top Flight for 20-odd years and you know the day they get back into the Premier League is going to be one that everybody remembers for a long time and as much as it would be great to win a cup. Once that moments gone is there's no there's no Legacy from it is the there's nothing there carries on Beyond it's just more than you want to cope. But if you got back into the Premier League immediately the be you know more money more Kudos small crowd. More everything and you could build from there more ability for us in America to watch games. Are you go everyone's a winner? Yeah. Absolutely. I will tell you that final question is where you and Jacko diverge really, is that a talk? He did say cup. Yeah. He not man. He is rationale was you know, he grew up in a time where forests were Forever at Wembley. And so, you know, they were always competing their Cup finals and that was just a really they would those were very fond memories for him and I can certainly understand and that again the age I am actually little older than him also and so I just about remember the tail end of the course the famous European Cup campaigns, but certainly the 80s and what felt like yeah annual visits to Wembley. There's will healthy and days for sure. So anyway, all right final question for you my friend. Okay your prediction on the season, so it's finally going to be the year. You just referenced it for us to be now. The Premier League now for slows how long I can't even keep track at this point, but I suspect is this the year. We're finally Forest get out of the Wilderness and back to the promised land. You know, what I've been covering for us since the go make some days that might be my day started in a time when they were just heading to League one. So I just had a gag reflex there Paul Yeah. Well, yeah, I remember very clearly that the entire away and Oldham singing for him to go. I think or three no down at halftime literally to a man the entire way in which tends to bring to go. He did actually he quit after him and he wanted to leave the ground without to be persuaded to stay for the second half. Wow. Yes right away, but that was that I digress their of them massively now, that's fantastic. That's great to hear. But you know every year since then you think this is going to be Forest year and how many times we sat there even when? Haven't been great. Even of the Philip Montana when things went a bit crazy with or maybe they've got a chance that makes for interesting signings but to stop sitting on the fence. Yes, I think it probably is and I don't know why I can't really justify it beyond the fact that everything feels good. It feels like there's a sense of togetherness there and a squad that looks capable. Let me add the caveat that if they signed a good Striker and a good winner in January then yes, it will be there you that that could be the defining thing for me just purely because I worry about what would happen is grabs got injured beyond that. If they can do those two things, I think they've got as good a chance. They've had in a very long time as the finishing the top six. I wouldn't put my house on finishing the top two, but I think they've got a very very good chance of finishing the top six and the music is such a calm calculated details guy that it wouldn't I wouldn't put it past him to to finally be the man that ends Forest playoff who doing Maybe maybe Jacko can get the trip to Wembley's always wanted marvelous. Well, there is Nary a man in Nottingham that knows Forest better than you sitting on a journalist. I think, you know as far as much better than you do poor tailor. And so I'm going to I'm going to end on that because if that's what's your take on the season if that's your take on how it could conclude. That's the perfect place to bring this interview to a close before we do though Paul go ahead and share out where folks can find you where they can read your work with the athletic. I'd love to Folks to check you out and like I said before certainly that our school you did regarding the academy was fantastic, but you've written several good pieces so far this season, so where can people find that that work pool? Well, you can either follow me on Twitter at Nottingham Tales where you can always find links links to my stories or at the athletic.com the you know, the website is very good. I encourages going to look I think if you keep an eye out, Normally some periodic offers to get a little bit of money off, but for the price of a cup of coffee a week, you got some some very good journalist. Give it a go yet. When do I agree? I agree and you get some great insights as well. I think that's the thing that makes it really compelling is the fact that this isn't just surface writing. This isn't just you know, the something that every newspaper is churning out. This is you get real insight you get real depth in your writing you get access that that's hard to find anywhere else and that's the thing that makes the compelling for me. So he's going to be on friendly bit this way. Maybe on Forest as well because there's so much good stuff to read like from all aspects of football. It is it's a brilliant thing to be part of and yeah, I couldn't be enjoyed in horns growing good stuff. Well, thanks so much again for joining us Paul. We really appreciate it. Thank you. 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Forest Fancast is a North American podcast produced by Forest fans. Hosted by @NFFCFlorida, @Melchett, and @JordanThelen. Few journalists in Nottingham know the Reds as intimately as Paul Taylor. After 25 years at The Nottingham Post, ‘Tails’ recently took up a new career challenge with the rapidly growing sports reporting website, ‘The Athletic’. Since then he has continued to write about all things Forest, with a series of fantastic articles providing some unprecedented insights. In this ‘Stoppage Time’ episode he joins us to discuss the Reds season so far, which players have impressed and surprised him, what he thinks is behind the positive sea-change around the club and the city this year, and offers a bold prediction for how the 2019/20 campaign might conclude for the boys from The City Ground… Contact us: Twitter: https://twitter.com/forestfancast Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/forestfancast/ Anchor: https://anchor.fm/forestfancast ---This episode is sponsored by Boot Bags, founded by pro soccer players, Shane Malcolm and Jordan Schweitzer in 2019, the company is dedicated to providing quality products for traveling athletes, professionals and sports enthusiasts. For every 5 bootbags we sell, it gives us an opportunity to give a pair of new or lightly used boots to a child in need.

This is a village sound cast network original production. Welcome to the food podcast side dishes a village sound cast network miniseries where we celebrate and explore the flavor of home. I'm Lindsay Cameron Wilson. Dear Lindsey, I've Loved thinking about flavors of home. Even if I couldn't decide what they were or what exactly home even means I think of food and family of my grandmother and my parents and my three brothers with whom I shared those influential people in meals years of meals then I think of my husband and our current home and our Venn. Gram of overlaps in differences his tidy cooking my chaos his love of quantity and density my preference for sparse and light and personally I keep coming back to the word the flavor the descriptor of sour but then I always remember some notes with the sweet and the salty and the bitter too. The Venn diagram of my friendship with Jasmine is a series of circles. Where my younger sister Lee my Aunt Sandra my friend Andrea Jasmine and I overlap Lee went to high school with Jasmine. She was one of Lee's very smart friends the smartest maybe but not scary smart likable smart the kind of person who would laugh as her mass of black curls bounced her face environment. Being a twin with warmth and curiosity Jasmine grew up with her Israeli parents and her three brothers and a tall narrow Home full of talent in music with a strong Yiddish flavor permeating everything Lisa's Jasmine would arrive to class and a happy Fury rummage through her backpack and eventually pull out a crumpled piece of paper which turned out to be the most poetic piece of writing the class had ever heard. Andrea is Jasmine's friend and fellow filmmaker Andrea film Jasmine short glamour guts and instructional film on how to live glamorously with intestinal disease. They've been friends ever since my Aunt Sandra met Jasmine through Andrea, or maybe it was through me Orly were not sure this is how it goes with good friends. All five of us get together for dinner when Jasmine is in town. It's women only always a potluck we talk about our lives our work and we tell stories that make us laugh. Jasmine's famous laughter still moves throughout her body. Her hair is shorter now, but still long enough to bounce Andrea throws her head back Sandra sometimes slaps. The table and leaves laughter is totally visual. It's an inhale completely inaudible. Put a joy to behold we come together around the table overlapping with our love of flavor friendship nourishment and curiosity. Last summer a new friend Graham came over for some pickle soup, you know the one it was very satisfying for me. At least. I don't even know if he was hungry. It was 4:00 in the afternoon, but he was in town only briefly to play a show and had a short window to hang out and I needed to feed him that pickle soup because before it ever met him Graham was on tour with one of my brother's Danny who had written to me. Hey only if super easy, do you happen to have Photo for the pickle soup recipe accordion player does lot of pickling. I sent him my messy notation thought yours might be superior. Yes, I had the recipe it was actually a cumulative recipe from my grandmother first the pickles and then from those optionally the pickle soup my brothers and I always loved both the pickles made without vinegar just salt fresh dill garlic pickling spice. No precise measurements. Every time I asked my grandma she'd say in Polish. No, just me and khakha, yang. Ye of him. I don't know and it was funny. But we also both knew why I was Get down I got my approximations and the recipe ends with I leave the jars on a warm balcony for several days. If all went perfectly the pickles would become carbonated biting into a carbonated vegetable is a fabulous life experience. And if the pickles don't get fizzy, well the perfect thing to do with them is make pickle soup. My grandma she was a holocaust Survivor. She was starving for years. She had to learn to cook in a hurry with very limited ingredients when she was working as a housekeeper for an Austrian Nazi family that had no idea. She was Jewish. During the second World War I think like all survivors her relationship to food was permanently altered for some it goes in the direction of the overflowing fridge over-serving overeating for others like her. It was the no more than what you need. No waste approach. My mom just wrote a book that includes my grandma's Holocaust Survival Story. I read the manuscript and was struck by the recurrence of food in its absence the Daydreams my grandma and her sister had about giving each other thick slices of bread with butter the precious carrot that was grabbed out of my grandma's hand on the street by a hungry acquaintance. I also realized that although for entirely different and incomparable reasons. She and I both spent many years hungry in my case. It's because I have Crohn's and intestinal disease and the only way I have some control over my symptoms is to not eat. I've also needed to fast a few times for weeks for medical tests. Surgeries and treatments this has for sure had an effect on my relationship to food. I wanted to taste good. I want to be hungry for it. If I'm going to pay a digestive cost. I'm okay with that, but I want it to be worth it. Kosher dill pickles are made by covering cucumbers with salt garlic pickling spices and fresh dill and leaving them to ferment in a warmish spot. The salt keeps bacteria from growing as carbohydrates are transformed into carbon dioxide while the acid created through the fermentation process keeps the cucumber's tough and crunchy acid plus fermentation equals flavorful crunchy pickles. It's a Will tail of capturing something in its prime putting it through duress only for it to come out better than it was before. This beautiful crunchy salty bubbly thing a humble green cucumber that persevered until it became a pickle is an ingredient woven into Jasmine's flavor history. But my pickle history is different. It's not a story of survival. It's more sweet and silliness. I'm in a pickle scratch and sniff the dill pickle sticker the classic pregnant woman's craving a big pickle in Nellie from Little House in the Prairies case a kosher dill pickle eaten with vanilla ice cream, sour and sweet crunchy and soft or that game. We played with hands when we were little fat fuck up high. pickles Army, green and oblong floating in a murky liquid seeds bobbing around. My sister Lee was the family outlier. She love dill pickles dill pickles were considered an acquired taste like olives chicken liver or fish eyeballs food that most don't like because they haven't been exposed to it, but my grow to love it eventually. Where is the Urban Dictionary says this stuff is shit, but you'll get used to it because here in the maritimes we've been exposed to something different something more familiar something sweeter. Like the tiny pickled gherkins. My grandmother served in a small cut glass bowl with our lunch on Sundays. I loved how delicate they were. So little sour and sweet or how about chouchou our bread and butter the condiment pickles that have been made for Generations around here. They are chopped pickles and spooned alongside a boring dinner to add Crunch and tangy sweetness and it's cucumber season right now. So people are making dill pickles, but like chow chow and bread-and-butter the recipe calls for salt herbs pickling spices along with vinegar and sugar. Jasmine's pickles are fermented with just salt in contrast to that vinegar and sugar Aid in fermentation in a safe controlled way. There's no maybe it won't work or is this room warmish enough but salt alone allows for good bacteria to grow this is called lacto-fermentation. The sweet Maritime way is a form of pickle. Yes, but our pickles are not alive. This makes me wonder why all the sugar the sweetness are we afraid of homemade carbonation are we afraid of adversity are we afraid of sour and most of all would Jasmine say are sweet pickles are worth it. Almost 15 years ago. I had my second of many intestinal surgeries. I've been living and working in Ottawa, but I came back home to Halifax for the operation a few weeks after I got out of the hospital. I met a man named Ezra we had a magical and engulfing love story. I moved back to Nova Scotia to be with him though. I decided not to move into his house right away. I wanted that part to feel ripe rather than convenient. Plus he lived in the Tiny Town of Lunenburg. And I wanted to maintain a connection to the city to he had a good friend Dougie who lived in a big house that had a flat that I could rent. I took it and Doug became not only my neighbor but a special person in my life as well Dougie and Ezra knew each other from nass cat that our College where Ezra had studied Ceramics and Dougie was the technician and the department. He was much more than a technician though. He made beautiful work bowls and platters he knew how to cook and host and serve artfully. His doors were always open to me to Ezra and to my friends who became our friends. We had beautiful hilarious dinners. It was such a sweet era. My surgery was not successful, but I was so happy. I didn't care. I felt lucky. I remember wishing that as your could have met my grandmother and that she could have met him. I knew they would have loved each other as much as I loved each of them. When I told Ezra I had her pickle recipe he was all in and we pickle together my first time since she had died. Time passed the pickles soured and our relationship just got sweeter when bitterly cold sunny day as her and I were in a car accident. He died. I'd never experienced such heartbreak. I was grief wrecked after I got home from the hospital. It was such a dark and blurry time. I'd sit on my back steps and cry every day Dougie who couldn't bear the sadness would poke his head over the fence and say all the wrong things. But he did know how to do the right things. He taught me how to garden. I wanted to grow food and even though he was a flower snob he built raised beds for me and a mini Eiffel Tower for the Press cucumbers and edible nasturtiums to climb up. I grew tomatoes and herbs and broccoli and bit by bit these signs of sustenance and life fed. Me and Doug fed me. He kept hosting dinners and had come through a passage in our shared basement popping out in his dining room. I don't remember when I first noticed but I started to feel at a certain point like he was bringing a parade of men through hoping I think that any one of them might be a match for Me 3 years later. I popped in to Doug's kitchen and Matt was there he had first been a ceramic student at the art college and now he was back to teach a few classes for a year Dougie hosted a big dinner at his long skinny table that night. He served a whole fish and one of my girlfriend's ate the eye. ball to try and catch a guy's attention the guy barely registered the sacrificial eyeball ingestion, but mad and I laughed and laughed at the failed attempt and then a second dinner pasta making this time with just me Matt and Doug kind of a chaperone date by accident and finally just me and Matt we cooked at my place and it was exciting and uncomplicated he moved in quickly and we became a unit quickly and so when he got a full-time, Ceramic teaching job offer in Baltimore. We decided to get married under a chuppah and Dougie's Garden in my garden next door. We had snacks on the tables surrounded by climbing cucumbers and all my dear family friends and vegetables. And ever and dance the hora in a giant Circle through the open Gates of the two backyards as my brothers played klezmer music. Then we move the party to the our College to the Ceramics Department wherever 1/8 one of Matt's in my Venn diagram overlaps Falafel and shawarmas with mandatory pickled turnips and Dougie gave one of those speeches the kind that's painful in the moment, but later contributes to the joy of the memory. Was essentially a 15-minute sales pitch for the mustard. He makes I remember the line you've got the two ingredients the mustard seeds and the vinegar. I was sure I was the vinegar but he never even drew the metaphor. I visited Jasmine's Garden earlier this summer. We walked around the raised beds and stepped on the arugula growing wild in between Jasmine said Dougie smuggled the arugula seeds from Italy and now arugula has taken over the garden. She bent over and pick some for me. The leaves were warm from the Sun and so peppery almost hot. She pointed out her favorite Dogwood near a wooden structure for climbing Peas the Leaning Tower of Pisa Matt calls it we moved under the arbor covered in grapes. And then to the back of the garden where espaliered pear trees stretch across the fence. I imagine their blossoms in the spring a wall of Eight. This is not a selfish Garden. This is a come in and see Garden Walk play Dance sit down and eat join in life will grow bloom wither and die here, but then it'll grow back again next year. Jasmine bent over and picked some dill to garnish the pickle soup. She had made for us for lunch. There were forget-me-nots growing up through the dill. Tiny blue flowers Tangled throw those floaty Franz that says something Jasmine said I trolled the deal between my fingers. It had gone to seed a chartreuse Queen. Anne's Lace of sorts ready to flavor a batch of pickles a forget-me-not Blossom clung to the dill blue one. yellow a flavor and a reminder and so the time came for Matt and I to leave Nova Scotia and another era ended. I rented my place at which I had bought from dougie dougie had bought Ezra's old house and moved to Lunenburg. There was still the matter of the pickles I've made with Ezra now a literal preservation, but I couldn't bring them with me. So I distributed those pickles to the safe refrigerators of my brothers and my parents and it went without saying please don't touch those pickles not It and mad and I built a new life in a new city. It was so hard to start over but very gradually I forged a place for myself and a whole new set of important relationships. I knew we'd created a real home when I was ready to throw not just any party but a Jewish holiday party for our new Baltimore world. This was the invite. Dear friends this Saturday is one of the eight available Hanukkah nights. So if you're free come over mad, and I will make the Jewish easiest snacks that I can think of the common ingredient being the worried that it won't ever be enough most specifically. I want to promise you'll Atticus though having so far in life managed to get away with eating other people's potato pancakes. Oh ppp's and as I make this delayed transition to adulthood, I'm preemptively Nervous about my lack of performance like anything Jewish. There are thousands of opinions on how and why and why not and they all conflict depending on which experts advice I choose to follow and they're all experts the result could be wispy crispy and golden or cold soggy and bitter. So to give you the full cultural experience. Please join me in assuming the worst, then we can together either be pleasantly surprised. Or hopeful that bitter latkes should be the least of our troubles. I realized this is short notice and I already know a couple of you will be away. But given that this is a holiday of Miracles and a culture of guilt. I still hope to see each of you. And is that so wrong Jasmine Jasmine is famous for her emails. I have one saved from last year. It was a group email inviting friends to a party. Her garden, she was home from Baltimore but it kept her flat in Halifax in her garden was in full September Bloom. Could we all please come over tomorrow? The email included a link to Elvis's you were always on my mind which we had to listen to while reading the invite. I couldn't make it to her house last year, but I was there for the pickle soup that hot afternoon in July Lee and Sandra were away. But Andrea was free and Matt to I brought Buffalo yoghurt to spoon on top of the pickle soup. Jasmine usually serves it with a dollop of sour cream, but she thought the Tangy yogurt made from a herd of buffalo that graze near the ocean on the South Shore of Nova Scotia would do the trick. It was a hot day for Sue but it didn't seem to matter. The soup was pure nourishment perfectly chopped cubes of what were once cucumbers then fermented into pickles then softened into a soup and with them came all the flavors that dill pickles bring salt garlic mustard seed and Dill lots of Dill. It was pungent in the best way made smooth and creamy from the yogurt then she survived. Vibrant salads from Auto Link. He's cookbook Jerusalem roasted carrots and the peppery arugula from her garden and vibrant greens talk with nasturtiums. The soup was a nod to polish practicality, but the solids they were all Israeli Sunshine where her father's family have lived for Generations. We ate coconut cream pie for dessert from the bakery on the corner. The bakery is a Halifax institution, but was closing soon. The family was retiring so I bought a pie I had to soon Matt and Jasmine would be moving to Montreal but they bring pickles with them and make pickle soup and their new kitchen and we'd be here when they visited to share the sweet-and-sour together and we'd laugh and slap the table and inhale all that is nourishing curious and flavorful and sometimes sweet Lindsay. This got complicated but you know that too I think is one of my flavors of home with love Jasmine. So what's the flavor of your home? We'd love to hear. I'm on Twitter at the food podcast, or we can chat on Instagram at Lindsay Cameron Wilson or at the food podcast. Thank you Jasmine for the beautiful letter and thanks to your brother saggy for for the beautiful music. You can find all the pickle recipes and links to Jasmine's films in our Notes. Thanks for listening. I'm Lindsay Cameron Wilson. This was a village sound cast network original production. This was a village sound cast network original production.

Welcome to Part Three of Side Dishes, The Food Podcast mini series exploring the Flavours of Home. Jasmine Oore is a filmmaker, she is a writer, she’s a visionary, she’s a friend. She’s also an Israeli/Polish/ Canadian pickle soup maker. In this episode, Jasmine explores the flavours of her home, a home filled with mustard seeds and dill, crunchy pickles, nasturtiums and arugula. It’s a place where eastern European heartiness merges with sunshine and spice, where grief and salty tears are swirled with sweetness and music. It’s where hunger has lived, alongside illness, dinner parties and laughter. Jasmine’s home moves from Halifax to Baltimore to Montréal and back again. Halifax is the constant. It’s where her family settled, it’s where she has her garden, it’s where she kept her pickles, it’s where she met her husband Matt. Salty, garlicky, fermented and sour are her common flavours in every home. They’re flavours that are new to me - a carbonated crunch, full of history and strife. But in a soup, these pickles mellow into something gentler, something we all can share. “Lindsay, this got complicated,” writes Jasmine at the end of her letter, “but you know, that too is one of my flavours of home.” ----- Mentioned in this episode: Jasmine Oore Films - There’s Been a Terrible Mistake Glamour Guts  After the Fall Elvis’ Always on My Mind Julie Andrew’s performing a Jewish Wedding Song For Jasmine’s pickle soup recipe, visit here.

Welcome to my life to the supplied episode 289 for a look and says Hanukkah. We just began the last day of Hanukkah the eighth and last day of chronic of this year tough shinpei and we say Africans is Hanukkah Hanukkah is connected to simcha to Joy to light will illuminate the darkness with the light of Hanukkah. But this kind of has a special name which we will be discussing in this.Specialization Connecticut and hate Tavis addition. I want to begin because hey Davis is coming up this week Wednesday night. So I will be doing a special program in the Jewish Children's Museum live men and women are welcome and it will be live streamed at an evening for the books.com. Here's the invitation. You're all welcome to participate will be a very special evening. We will talk about hate favors the power of the books significance of them and their authors and actually take a glimpse into what it says in the books and the teachings and the Toros of the nine Rebus starting from the Baal Shem Tov told the rebbe will also be followed by song and music of each of the Rebellion should be a fascinating and unprecedented. That evening and welcome you all want to thank Menachem Benjamin the producer for this very creative with coming up with great ideas creating excellent quality events, and I'm honored to be the one that's presenting together with Ellie Marcus will be seeing in the new gunam together with an ensemble of musicians. So I look forward to that Wednesday night and then is an announcement again and evening for the books that come is the invitation there's side and here's the other side of the invitation. Okay with that announced let us enter into a subject which is a little more complicated to talk about and actually painful to talk about I want to start with that because fortunately it's right fresh has as unwanted as we'd like to have it and that is the latest tragic and frightful attacks on Jews. How should we react to the recent? Frightful attacks on Jews. Does this just yesterday which I Shabbos tackle. Unseen New York. We had one here in Brooklyn more than one and it seems to be an increasing accelerated Pace that is taking place here. And it's frightening many people. What should we do about it? So let me begin with addressing that and interestingly everything is Divine Providence. It's happening right in the days of Hanukkah in the concluding days of Hanukkah the obviously firstly our hearts go out and our prayers go out to anyone that's been hurt or frightened. And they should have complete through for slime and we should never ever have to hear about any such events again never have to experience any such events again and yet we cannot look with a blind eye and turn away. We have to be able to look at it and say to ourselves. What does this mean? What are we supposed to do how we supposed to interpret it and being that it is Hannukah Hannukah obviously has tremendous lessons because Hanukkah Above All Is What It illuminates darkness and darkness doesn't just mean physical doctors. It means every form of Darkness. But it's psychological emotional hatred racial or tax or anti-Semitism racism and any other form of Darkness that how it manifests in this world. So, of course there are many different approaches when dealing with darkness and I'm not trying to get philosophical here because above all there's no question. We have to do everything possible to Vanquish and to eliminate and to deter and and and arrest and put away anyone that is harmful and dangerous. Whether it's with words and definitely with weapons and that's why by Hannah to there was a war. It wasn't just a platonic Aikens a conceptual battle. It was an actual war against the many or Vanquish were won over bunk triumphed over by the few Robin be odd, not him. Huzzah - huzzah can be a Coliseum. The strong were conquered by the week showing the that quality can Prevail over quantity and bottom line being that when you go with faith and with strength and with their cause you do what you have to do, but nevertheless interestingly though wars were fought and won the way hanok is commemorated as we discussed last week is not through a battle not through a simulated battle and not three even honoring the battle. We barely mentioned it. We mentioned it but not but not the main significant focus of Hanukkah my Chronicle. The gemara says is all about the flame the for the olive oil that was defiled and then found one Crucible of oil one crew. Of oil that was untouched and that ribbond weren't for eight days. Why why no mention made like by for example much it seems Miss Raymond. We left Egypt they were battles and we talked about them. We talked about the ten plagues. We commemorate them etcetera and here it's all about light because the end of the day the real way to battle darkness is with light and a few of them on a few levels. First of all, we cannot become victims and become run into a panic and Beacon. Trolled by emotions are emotions by others who hate us that's never the been the Jewish way were prudent and we're practically you lock your doors and we get law enforcement and we do whatever is possible and here we have to make a tremendous demand, especially with this increased attacks. It's not even getting analyzing why it's happening a demand that this be addressed the most forceful possible way and of new laws have to be drafted and of new new stricter enforcement have to be implemented. So be it. So there's no question we have to do that. But at the end of the day even that is not because we're consumed with the darkness is because we have to deal with Darkness but end of the day the Jewish people always for Darkness with light, which meant We did not Define ourselves and our identity by being victims to those that hated us. We always kept our heads up. We always believed in God even in the most difficult times believed in our values maintain them. They're not become bitter. They're not become victims. We will not allow ourselves to be defined by those that hate us and that's a vital vital message on all levels because we would not be here today. If we did we've been attacked too many times and we've been the victims of too many too many different perpetrators of all levels explosions genocides. Murders Holocaust programs that had we succumbed and just turned into a nation and to a people and individually as being never cases meaning people who are always on the weak side and the not build up strong fortified values and families and Legacies that we passed on we would never have survived. So the first message of conic is light is stronger than darkness and we always go with light at the same time. You have to deal with the darkness in a realistic way. Like I just said those that have influence and all of us have some influence to put absolute pressure protection deterrence and going even deeper not just on the short-term level which is the immediate law enforcement that needs to be done that protection cameras, whatever it takes to protect but also what is going on in the education of these people who are growing up and they're This rampant way can just feel free to come with a knife-wielding knife and just stabbed people. So we get it also into the education of the education system of what are we teaching our children? I know that's a longer-term battle so to speak but nevertheless we can't ignore that as well. So Hanukkah provides us an answer number one is we do not panic. We're not panic that doesn't mean we aren't prudent that means we need to do what he had to do to protect ourselves. But to go into hysteria of saying they're after us and we have to find ways to escape and run away from the from all these challenges. It's not the Jewish way. At the same time as I said we have to do whatever it takes, but we have to also teach our children that were courageous while keeping careful and that we are bearers of light. This is the essential message. I don't have a quick term solution what to do right. Now. You see something like this. Our heart bleeds. Our heart goes out were Furious. The question is how to translate that Fury into action. That's above all the most important thing of all So it's good to see Jews getting together in a unit in unity and solidarity putting the right pressure on but at the same time what we tell our children is these things happen in the Hostile dark world, but we are bearers of light tonight. We light eight candles eight Flames the maximum Possible and what does light do light automatically dispels Darkness? It's an attitude that always keeps you Above The Fray while having to deal with The Fray. So from Exodus applied approach, that's the approach to take especially when we're talking about Hanukkah when all this is taking place again. God should bless us that this would be the last so compare my and we shall never hear about anything like this again because it never happens again and meanwhile do what we have to do. I'm all levels both on the immediate level on the long-term level finding the dark and above all Illuminating with light and being symbols. And bearers of the highest values ever that we human beings have come to this world to bring light to the world. Not darkness and even not fighting Darkness bring light and automatically Darkness will be dispelled. Now, I know some people say that's naive and we have to bear arms perhaps I'm not denying or suggesting that but I'm coming from a perspective which is a very focused one in this program. And that is the psychological emotional Torah acidic approach to challenges so that I'm addressing primarily that without negating any other elements and every every organization or every group every Community every city has its ways and we have to use everything possible. Just like the active prayed when he met case of and he prepared for war and he prepared to appease him. You have to attack from all angles. So with that let's go right into Hanukkah since we're talking about Hanukkah. And of course, this is Jay's Hanukkah. So what did why is it called James Connick? Can you explain why they have chronic is called this chronic? So the my past is the most obvious reason is based on the Torah reading of this day tomorrow. We will read Jay Scott Lucas and his bear. The readings of the Torah correspond to the unconnected to the readings of the tribes the heads of the tribes as they brought their offerings when they were dedicating the temple and since they were eight days of dedication. So the eight days is kind of gruesome is bear is considered to be the final day and those kanuka Simon's Bells those kind of connections based on the world Hanukkah as in rededicating the temple. That's why it's called the is chronic. However, it still begs the question. The very powerful sitter in volume 25 the could the series so it's Chanukah the web as the questions its kind of mechanical literally in Yiddish means this is Chanukah a does is chronic. This is kind of like that with these kind of communes which what it means they're seven days of Hanukkah. They're also part of Hanukkah. So I mean, this is chronic as of the other days were not the ribbon negates the answer you can say this doesn't versus kind of doses the complete panic, but that's not the word that were actual meaning of the words as chronic. I mean, you're being very precise those kind of combines. This is chronic. So to sum up the beautiful explanation given their the eloquent explanation explains that in general. There's two ways to define the power of something one is its potential and one is its actual zation and indeed the kind of Utica have a disagreement between bishamon basil how you light the menorah the kind of common are the shaman said you light going eight candles the first night eight Flames the first night. It's going down seven six five till the last day. So that's kind of good be one because he goes Buster kayak, which means the potential since now we know the potential is going to burn for eight days. So right away you go by potential and you actually light the candles that way they still owe and the halacha is basal. That's right. Hanukkah's the Russia tape is the acronym fascinators eight Flames for how long it could basal. Oh, it's an acronym that doll. Like basil that says the opposite you begin you go by pale pale. Mom. You should begin one is the first day of Miracle. So you write one day and each day you add increase until you get to Milan behaviors you grow in Holiness and all matters of sanctity to the eighth day. So what does it mean in concept? What is the real disagreement? The question is? What is more? What do you follow? You follow potential? Do you follow actual? And just for example when you educate children. But they're in school or at home. You always want to tell them that they have great potential you want to believe in their potential and we're going to help you actualize your potential at the same time. You don't want anyone thinking I'll just stay stuck by my potential since I have the potential. I don't have to do it. We need to actualize and my so we could has to come down and action so both are nice unnecessary, but Hanukkah dialogues is actualization. And grab explains there at length why Hanukkah, is that way because Hanukkah represents the work done from Below. That the deal with the darkness of the Greeks who wanted to assimilate the Jews. And wanted to eliminate the Holiness and the light so it's a fight from Darkness. So there you have to go by actual that about potential it's coming from as they're ever puts it at them accountable the recipient and they're from the recipients point of view. The most important thing is actualization and therefore when we get to the eighth day of Hanukkah, what do you have the ultimate actualization is a serious Hanukkah. This is chronic. This is the total actualization of the entire chronic. Even though we Rejoice kanuka some is a rose on the first day, but that's still one. In a potential State now's the actualization which of course teaches us a tremendous lesson. The lesson of Hanukkah is that yes, there is great potential in the olive in the oil to burn to burn eight days yet. The most important thing of all is that that add that potential comes into actualization? So in context of any Darkness were experiencing in life including these frightful attacks I mentioned before it's not about just potentially we can overcome it all know. No, we actualize it in True Light and we light eight candles the last day and could say those kind of car. This is kind of cool. So kind of gives a form of actualization is kind of the last day of Hanukkah is actualizing the entire potential and the entire power and potency of all days of The Chronic. Which of course is the most important potent force to be able to overcome any challenge? There's yet another or more explanations in the words as Konica one according to Exodus, which we'll talk about in the city's question at the end of this program. We always conclude before the asa's with us' this question. So the lesson to us is very clear. It's not just potential like that we have within us but it's we have the power the actualization of that light kind of gives us the power to bring it into action and that's what happened the few. Conquered the many and then they were able to cleanse and we dedicate every sanctify the temple and light the menorah actually light the manator and light shined and dispel the darkness and as the ramban says even after the base of meters was destroyed even after the temple was destroyed and they decided all of these Flames any but tail and they will never be destroyed. They will never be extinguished. And they've gone traveled with us through thousands of years of the darkest moments and Jews even in the harshest and diarist of circumstances always made that effort to light the flame you have these Amazing Stories even in the concentration camps. They try to get a little machine oil potato peel or whatever. It may be just to be able to create certainty and wasn't just an act of commitment. It was an understanding that we no matter what happens to us. We always hold on to that. Tempted shine light and to illuminate light even in the darkest of darkest of times. Now I spoke about this topic is as Konica in previous episodes 94 and 193. And obviously there's always more to say but this is a program that we have to move forward because there's a lot of other topics to talk about since we're talking about serious chronic comes the next question is the commodity in from Russia, San Andreas chronic high rabbit Jacobs my question for you today is as follows, I heard from an older horses that the gemara had been from Rosh Hashanah is on Zeiss Hanukkah this seems strange but not understood because what I understood stand from the surface is the Russian is deceiver, which means the inscribing in The Book of Life Yom. Kippur is excimer is the ceiling in the book of life. Then we have another chance and a shiny robber then come simplest area and the remainder of risk of registry and then finally the seventh of husband when the Usually season ends. So my question basically is what is the connection of this connected to the commodity in the conclusion of Judgment of the high holidays. Are you familiar with this concept of cinnamon? If you ask please explain this concept and what's the source for it? Thanks, and that's like a robber. Okay, very good question. It's not I've not seen it cited in this books of see this Abad but it is brought in different cities. For example the shall you saw her from the Memphis a loss of the Hmong culture robber. He has a whole section on it and I'll give you the source man in my memory and show you soccer Memorial head is crystal mine. Were you mayera section 4 and section 36 and more. And there is sites a bunch of sources from previous solutions for him his own ancestors different positions found that talk about this in Medina explaining it many different ways. I will say interruption Lambert has after the rebels heart attack on the night of community service. So the rabbit did not file bring then till after the Optive. So the usual for bringing that would happen intermediate says night which means the night before simple the night of simple Diva of simplest data. The debit did not make that fibrinous Jose Sonica that ever washed. There's very clear there is filling the so called The Missing fire burning in a few minutes that is that year and there. He said the Hanukkah eight days of Hanukkah respond to a days of sulcus which of course is also brought in swollen different sources for it. And thus she mean he had said is corresponds to chamonix the at they have chronic And then and the end of it he was fulfilling up what was missing then it decays shall broccoli did all the things that would have done usually on swimming yet service. There's also a custom some say to pay up for the little of an essence of Suk is not later than iconic. So clearly there's a connection so it's interesting question because look when you really think about it you can say is it your Shauna is it Yom Kippur is a shine a rabbit is it seems many Outsiders? I was a chronic In truth, is it teaches us a tremendous lesson in general and forgiveness and in judgment that there's never too late. Obviously Russia Hashanah and Yom. Kippur is the most powerful days of the year. We have the power where it's actually inscribed and actually sealed but there's always a door that remains open. Different Expressions is I shine it up at The Messengers begin to take the seal decrees and start selling them out and then says in the quoted a burden than Chavez Bodacious are actually sent I was sent out but there's still sent out. They haven't had necessary received reach the destination. So Chanukah is some explain it is the time when they reach their destination. So those during these few months you still have a chance at Hanukkah is another opportunity to fill in anything. We may have missed. Now this is not meant to become like cute and say okay. So the end of the day come on, I mean, is it Russia Hashanah Yom, Kippur or circus? Obviously we have to take each of those days seriously, but kinda comes as a holiday. It's a holiday of light. It's a Hollywood light that deals with Darkness. You don't have that and was just showing you a keeper and circus. Those are like those are the days of joy and days of light only light they give power to deal with Darkness. But chronic is a holiday that grew out of darkness and therefore when something comes out of Darkness that has a light like I mentioned from there on bond that is important in this in the indistinguishable. invulnerable You cannot destroy it ever. So Konica has that ability to conclude then deal with any of the judgments that would rush on Yom Kippur. There's a certain end conclusion that comes here. This does not negate the earlier stages of conclusion because in general you have to write you described until you'll find very often this idea. You have Pacer they have pesach sheni. Just as an example. Now chronic of course has its own particular personality. And if you look at Cheyenne chakra has a whole bunch of other explanations many of them are kabbalistic some cryptic. So I'm not going to repeat all that says they are give you the my remote come if you're interested in looking further into it and there are other that also speak about this topic I have now again, I'm not founded in the Rebus talks or exceed this the my modem if anybody has more sources, I'd be happy to please share them with me and I'll share them with the with the public. Okay. next question I want to give one more example before we go put him like Hanukkah Purim is an example with Matt and Tara the good motto says my daughter a bolide Aisa by Matt and Tara as great as the Revelation was in a way. It was like compelling the Jewish people so they could always have a complaint. They say God forced us God compelled us to receive the Torah so you comes put him and put him says key movie keep like you who did them? Now it was really ratified what was ratified that was they received them because now it came through their effort and initiative. She have a similar example put him to Matt and Tara. So kaneki, you can perhaps compare that I've not seen that anywhere. I'm just suggesting it you can compare kind of kid to this to the days of the yamuna time being tishrei - runyen Kippur and sookie's Schmidt says that in a way Hanukkah is coming from below there. You have the power coming from above because it's Gilliam I was just on Yom, Kippur and sukkahs are all days that were given to us from above though. Yes Innkeeper did come through Salata converter have my share but still it's a Ghillie of your feeding all kinds of powers like that. Anika was born as I said through the masseuse nefesh of Eden for kedusha for Holiness for sanctity for hokhmah, as you see this explains the meaning of the pure olive oil the crews of well that part's Park and with that they rebuilt. So in a sense, it has a certain element that that does not that's not there in tishrei and perhaps that adds to the reason that is the end of the Judgment. It adds that Dimension to it. Okay with that next question, which is another Chronicle question. The rebel well should be rubber. I asked the freezer grab it said that we should listen to what the candles are saying. What do they candle say? So the exact expression is the physical therapist said but after two hands was the little lock that cell you have to listen to what the little lock it's a very endearing way of saying the Flames what they tell us you look at this picture and the last picture of the physical web in this world. Was Chanukah Tasha nude huge fat, which would be a little more little more than a month later this talk us through this year 70 years from them. So that's 70 year old picture physical abuse seems looking after the conical lights were lit. You can see him looking at it. I always whenever I saw that picture from my childhood, I always said, you know, here's a perfect example the free to kadapa giving us a living example looking at the flames. Clearly listening to the story that they're telling so Flames tell many stories and many lessons some we've talked about the power of light stronger than Darkness automatically and naturally dispelling Darkness the power of growth every night. We grow in the Flames the colors the different colors and shades of the Flames the red the blue the white or yellowish all Flag different shades of life where the wider Parts the lighter brighter parts of the brighter times in life the darker of the darker times a night, but they're all part of a flame. The idea that a flame is always flickering Restless like the soul near Hashem - Mossad. Mmm. The soul is always flickering is always Restless. It's never static. It's always licking the are growing upward Transcendent as a sole the wick grounds it yet another lesson and can go on and on and each of us can personalize it. But little tell stories they tell the story of our own lives. They tell the story of your soul. They tell the story of your children's souls and it's something it's a great opportunity, especially tonight last night of Hanukkah to sit down and speak about it. To look at the flames and say what do we learn from them? And you run one of these powerful lessons of a mirror type of mirror image how the Flames mirror Our Lives how we can learn from the Flames to deal with every challenge in life with Darkness with growth with our transcendent yearnings. So I think that's enough material that I hope all of us can take all of you can take and develop further. Well that one more kind of question and that is post conical Blues. How it seems like every year after Hanukkah the energy goes down a lot and it can get a bit sad. Is that how it's supposed to be or is there a way to continue with the energy from Hanukkah even after? Well, this is a general question about all inspiration. We talked about it very often post holidays poster showing people and circus where entire month that saturated with so much energy and so much action, but it's true across the board. It's every shop is and then comes after Shabbos. We say I'll tear off the anchor of my servant take them to not be afraid because now you're entering back into the mundane routine patterns of life. And of course the same is true with Hanukkah and the answer is similar in all cases. Obviously each one has their specific power. The answer is that inspiration is powerful the key is how to maintain it. So one of the ways is exactly that we just said, let's listen to the look what the lifter look I telling you when you learn those lessons those lessons last more than eight days. They can last a lifetime. So it's about internalizing and making the extra effort and taking that extra step of not just fulfilling conical fulfilling the Mistress of Hanukkah lighting the Flames the other Minho game the prayers we say the festivities the conical guilt. And other things we do for Hanukkah, but to internalize it to the point. What is kind of could teach me? So today is a perfect day as we begin that last day of Hanukkah ask yourself. What did Hanukkah teacher this year? What particular personal lesson? And usually the best is to focus on one specific thing. You get the two big picture end up not doing anything God is in the details and the details. What does Hanukkah teach you what they've kind of could teach you and personalize it with your particular situation in your life. Now think of maybe a moment of darkness you're experiencing and personal way up physical emotional setback things. You'd like to between better. What does the light of Hanukkah to about that we see these events these as I said this horrific attack. What is Konica teach us about that? However, more the more you personalize it the more you integrate it internalizes. The more the Konica Flames will continue to last any bataillon the a l'm not just that every kind of we like them but the entire year the lesson will be learned and that's true with all the holidays. That's the whole point when you especially when you look through this, you're not just learning about what Mitzvah to do. Today is the mitzvah tonight. That's the last night. We were not going to like more conical Flames this year until next year based on make this machine comes with a light of obviously. The manator before that but that doesn't mean that the kind of power does not remain that's up to us. If you think it's just going to come automatic. No, that's not how it works. We're given the power we're given the Mitzvah. So in a sense were given a type of Head Start, we're given the ash of a push. It's a power from above that gets us moving thrusting his forward, but now you have to take that and turn it into something more ongoing more perpetual. That takes work can be lazy and we can't be and procrastinate we have to take the bull by the horns and say what can I learn from this that will last tomorrow and the next day and the next day and that's how you make Hanukkah forever. Okay, let's not move to the other special day of this week. It's hate Tavis. Now hate Davis of course is a day that is contrast to Hanukkah, which is thousands of years old. Hey Davis is literally began touching members Ian. So we're now 33 years from the time when another miracle took place there ever calls that a slots and James gulla a special day not per tunde. So is based on a court case that was resolved on hate tape. Is that year in 1986 or probably was beginning of 87 probably 1986. Hey Davis, because the Hebrew year had changed already to touch him Zion, but the English are could have been at the end of December, I believe so that year was a verdict after a length of relatively long case around the books of the library of a good disc CD habad is the Central Library built up by the rub a rubber a shop and buy the rebels before him and 3D cadaver was the one that collected it all together. And when coming to America was established a library that contains You to accumulate books of all sorts, of course. It's Cornerstone is Crown Jewel are the books and the writings of the rabbi in themselves. And the debate and the argument was the case the court case was whether these books are privately owned by the rebbe and therefore subject to inheritance of by his children and grandchildren. Or grandchild namely or not? And the case was brought because one grandchild who decided that these books are his inheritance felt that he can go and sell some of the books. And that was brought to court to establish that this is not inheritance on any air this is belongs to the rabbit as it belongs to the city and that was the verdict. So in as the question someone has the question, why was he Tavis? Such a big deal one all the books already printed. Why did it matter? If Chabad had the originals it seems as a Chabad won the right to keep important rare and expensive books, which is nice. But why did the rubber field that was so important to Chabad as a movement? It seems inconsistent with the rubber General approach to expensive items. Another product person put it what exactly are we celebrating on hey tapes. So again, I will talk about it, but I want to tell you again invite you again to Wednesday night. The program evening of for the books, which I will be discussing this in very specific way. And I invite you again and I want to announce as well, which I've neglected to mention before that. The doors will open at the Jewish children's museum at 8:00 p.m. First comes her first serve, there is limited space. So I'm giving you a heads up about it. Evening for the books and I will be talking about that but I will give a little preview here. And that is that the story here is not about whether you can make copies of the books. It's not about just the content of the books. A book is not just a book safer. Tate is not just to sit for tater it embodies and personifies the one that wrote it in the case of a civitate annotated. It's a shame himself God himself and not enough. She's obviously obvious. I have inscribed myself my soul in these words and the same thing is with siddiq him and authors that they inscribed their souls in their words and it's the actual book. Yes. Is that manuscript? It's that book. The book they held the book. They wrote the book that they learned in and study them. So it's not about the value. No one's selling this Library the library belongs to the collective group of Austin and that was the whole pack. So it's not someone winning over someone else it would question is is it a private domain or is this a public domain public meaning that it belongs to them? Because this is Taylor and Taylor does not belong to any individual make sure I've been who also had children and grandchildren and they did not inherit the Toyota mutated civil unemotional Russia. Keyless yaakov, Kayla stock of the whole community. Tootsie of Jacob Doyle community of Israel inherited so this is no small matter. This is a matter of is the turtle living on or is it just something that can be owned by individual do whatever they want with it sell it it teaches you also the value. as some things are Beyond personal gain some things are Beyond personal ownership and as the rebbetzin Hai mushkil said in her The position she said when they asked who did the books belong to the rubber siddim, she said they below the ribbon some belong to them. And that was a major factor in judge siftings ruling the rebbe himself belong to them. So this is hate Ava celebrating. What does it ever? What is this a friend? What is the relationship of a rabbit has fallen? Okay. Now this speak about hate Tavis as well as episodes 4994 144 145 193 and 239. I know it's a little tedious to give you these episodes but I saved for just completing the picture those of you that are listening by podcast and and through iTunes or other downloadable platforms. I apologize, but just for the complete picture. You want to read or listen to more you can always go and to those episodes. So following up the question. I just asked it was a follow-up Sona this question, which is interesting question. I never thought of it actually The rabbi Jacobsen first of all, thank you so much for all your effort. You put into the weekly episodes approaching. Hey Tavis, we all know that it was all about the fact that a rabbit isn't that is prati community isn't a private citizen, which is why no one can inherit the library meaning his family cannot be your scenario the library if so, why is the library closed to the public? Why were all the Rob am so passionate about this Farnum if it's not their private Library Another ways on brought it the hate Ava systems of this Farm belongs to the citizen. Why is the library not open to the sentiments of the poem? Very good question. So firstly with the rubber spoke about this back 33 years ago 34 years ago that whole court case period the rebels said that the Frida Club established the rules for the library that is open to the public which public he specifically made it a research library that anyone doing research whether at our research or other research and needs access to books that are there it's open to them until till this day people who have a researchers can go to the library why he It that way is a good question. Why didn't you make it for the public meaning for every person's like a public library? It's interesting question that could be discussed. But the library was never meant to be someone's private domain that just sitting there locked like in the museum. God forbid. These are living books. As a matter of fact many books that are published new bank scripts that come in and so on and thumbs up or ban scripts that have never been published are all coming from this Library. So it's a living Library. And it's benefiting the public and the public has access and that way now whether you should have access to the actual manuscripts and the personal the books and be able to touch them or be able to see them since there were guidelines written for whatever reason it is maybe because of the to protect the books. Some of them are very ancient manuscripts that are very have to be carefully handled or other reasons. But I believe anyone that really wants an access there's a lot there's a catalog you can access it online and you can talk to the Librarians. It's Chief librarian and his assistants and I believe you can have access to something that you that's in the library if you need need to have access to it. It's not a loan Library meaning you can take a books on loan. But access to the books or copies of the books or more information that's necessary. I believe is accessible to everyone. So the end of the day this library is not a private label the right. The reason that I became fought for it was not because they What for their ownership don't forget the whole rabbit? Why did he fight for Judaism all together? Why did there are being fight to preserve Jews and to do everything portent for the welfare and upkeep of the welfare of Jewish people's because they were dedicated that was their whole position in life completely dedicated to be a Shepherd for the flock complete bit like starting from I should have been there in job is to be selfless transparent leaders. That's not about them. It's not about personal gain. It's not about money. It's not about ownership. So the library is an extension of that the Toyota and the collection of all this volume which continue on and become the way there are beim live on because it's the books that they wrote the books that they studied that we have that we can live with and follow these guidelines guidelines and live up to the expectations that they have of us. Okay, let's now move to next subject. Next subject is this Being that's also New Year's this week on what day is New Year's New Year's is Wednesday, right? Is it Thursday? Thursday is New Year's. So being that it's New Years. I want to also. Address the question which I've been coming before but you know what? It's a short question. Let's do it. Is it okay to give any relevance? Actually, Wednesday, Wednesday is New Year. Sorry I said Thursday. Is it okay to give any relevance to the secular New Year the Judaism give it any value at all like the concept Rosh Hashanah the malakand. So there's a Russian and not just Russia from the beginning of the year. But also son Alan Milliken when they were appointed Kings appointments have a Russian as well or do we completely ignore it from a religious perspective. So I've answered this question in a in previous pre-new year episodes 144 195 196 But essentially we have from the rebbe mm self and I'm occasions as wished other people. Happy New Year and explain that it is alluded to in the verse in Psalms Dylan that pays I involve Hashem you spurn the save I mean Hashem count will save I mean by the by the by the guy that died by the laws of the Nations and I believe there are visited by did server actually quoted this verse as well and he wished Andrews a happy New Year and you have other stories from sadiki man others that did use this opportunity to wish others are happy New Year because in that sense, it's a secular day that celebrating that in any particular religious manner. It's a secular day, which is the fiscal year has other elements of the new year is considered noon any ways in which the cauchy ations and contracts and so on and so forth. So therefore the answer is yes. How's it going approaches? Is that the large part of the world considers this new year? So therefore we also respect that obviously long compared to Rosh Hashanah. That is the beginning as I am to Phyllis myself a beginning of creation because that's not what it is at all but it has that type of value and like anything like resources anything that that's a neutral nature. You can always use it for kedusha for Holiness and use Alicia my So someone can use it in a good way either doing a good activity will be doing the event Wednesday night, which is New Year's night night after New Year, because it's also a good night people and off from work usually so if you use it as for those opportunities for learning for teaching for spreading users guide spending cities, absolutely. Okay. Okay, next question completely. Another question just happened to come in and I thought it's appropriate. All the questions are appropriate I should say but for some reason I felt this one is appropriate because of different issues. And the question is here. We are. After the customer knowing took power they purportedly became corrupt. Yeah, that's what some say is. Why doesn't Judaism have a mechanism to get rid of bad people in power? Corrupt leaders such as elections impeachment checks and balances Etc. We know that Many. Malakand Many Kings does the kings in Israel became corrupt as well. Why isn't there some way to remove corrupt officials in the tater? So let's separate this into two different levels. First of all, there's absolutely mechanisms the failure itself and take ownership example ourselves that if any Navi any profit could be the greatest Prophet we moisture our beta cos official husband Shawn. God forbid changes something that God said, Then they disqualify themselves. It's called the navi sheket. It's a false prophet, even though he may have been saying all till now. He was a year to shamima. So on so there are absolute guidelines with the Taylor says what creates disqualification the question is and how you implement that no one's Above the Law. There's only one God. So there's absolutely ways are not necessarily the ways that done today in modern secular governments, but there are ways there's a best in is a son hadn't in. Hello. And hello. He talks about the ways what you deal with when there's somebody that's on that log. Now that's in general speaking about different leaders when it came time Miller Carmela has more complicated because the Miller has absolute Authority and they wielded it. But even their number one, we know that God is diminished but didn't didn't there's mr. B - I mean it's called or that's a punishment that comes from Samantha God Is Watching and he will ultimately order organize things, especially when it comes to melek a King, but even with Kings very often, they maintain power not because they had that part because they were have the they had the armies and they had the corruption to help them maintain the power. And their ways as well that a business and Headroom can even challenge a king. We look in our locker. I'll be talking now back in biblical times and back in the knock times today. We don't have a Miller today leaders whether it's robbing him Russia's Shiva carbon or other types of leaders in the community are many cases elected. And they have to be accepted by the call of the calls that North look all of a leader is not accepting his falls out of favor for whatever reason there are instruments how to deal with that. Now you have to also make sure they don't have corrupt people corrupting this as well because you could say you could always come with complaints about somebody and say hey that's overthrow the person so how long the deals with that too. What are the conditions? It has to be done right has to be done. Ethically and has to be done honestly and objectively. Very often what you find is people who don't like people for their own reason want to be Empower themselves, or they want someone that they are friend with lie with its and power. So it's not corruption replacing corruption in that case bottom line is there's accountability and annotated environment. There's ways there's recourse for everything. I know some people say this is naive not realistic because the fact of the matter is what do you do if the row of himself in the communities you feel is not living up to the standards? And that people support them for their own reasons people are against so I'm not suggesting it's perfect. But the imperfection is on our part that we either don't have the uterus shamim and the proper respect of theta so everybody's jockeying for position. But it's not the Tater. That's a problem. The Tater gives all kinds of methods God planted everything understood and anticipated that people would be potentially can be corrupted can be shaded which is bribery and bias and and they have to recuse themselves. And if they don't there are there's recourse. Now I understand that. It's a flawed reality on our end. We don't live in a perfect world and that is very painful. But the same time we can't completely ignore not completely can't ignore the Tater standards. So we have to do the best we can and hopefully we can find people maybe in my job. Maybe it's a minority. Maybe it's silent majority that will really abide by Tater guidelines and not look to gain. From particular situation because they think they're the ones in power and they should be the ones in power. So we always hope that we find people who can have that type of purity of heart objectivity people who consult with others. Don't just do things ain't done he D. They don't just do things that their own volition because you never know people can have good intentions and sometimes do things that are not correct. They may have good objectives may be good, but the methods may not be so always sound and their ways for all of this the Taylor gives us ways consult with somebody true abbreviates consult with either shamim. And when there's a real trouble, I would suggest that people come together few few balanced mines view cam heads come together discuss it look at the options and make sure that there's no agendas because agendas will always never undermine and undermine the whole situation because what are you replacing your placing one agenda with another agenda much more can be said on this. It's a painful topic. It's not I don't have an ear. I don't have a magic pill or it. Tight solution. I do believe however that there are enough sincere people and good people that can rise to the occasion and look at things in a balanced way. And not allow themselves to be cowed or intimidated by any voice. Look at it from a Tearaway come to certain consensus and try to implement it. Okay, I would love to hear your feedback on this thoughts and comments. I'm trying to approach it in a very balanced Taylor way a way that the rebel would have approached. It is a tailor. There's a locker that's what Taylor came here for. It's dealing with a world that is full of sugar full of lies full of hostility full of deception duplicity. The Taylor came out teach us be at Ada Ada Guiding Light how to navigate the Minefield of conflict. Of different opinion ruination all the time is this one says this and this one disagrees. How do you find Clarity? How do you find truth in a untruthful world? How do you find the best possible approach and that is what we hold onto and frankly. We have nothing else to hold on to because if you don't have a tailor that that then we're completely subject and become completely victims of circumstances and of whims of individuals who may be very good people, but they can also change and then Other people may have different intentions. So Taylor is what we hold on to that is we are Taylor in shall not exceed see the shading That Base it on what it says what was expected of us and not based on our interpretation of what was said. And of course, he goes come into play insecurities come into play a lot of psychological factors come into play Whenever these things happen. That's why you have to be wise very wise and how to deal with situations and conflicts like this to be able to come away with a good good resolution and never forget the lesson of Hanukkah. That light dispels Darkness. The real way is like Toyota are you okay? It dispels darkness that again does not mean that sometimes we have to get done on our hands and knees and sometimes we have to get into the grime and into the dirt to do certain things, but that's only out of necessity and the and Last Resort and only as a minimal only in the minimal possible way and immediately get back into a world of life and nonpolar your mama or not. It's so exciting said we are day workers. We're here to bring light into the world. Okay. Well do a follow-up or two will talk about public menorahs last week. So here's some follow-up to that. Public menores episode 288 last week from opposition to having a menorah in our building. We are Chabad family living on a bustling Street this year. I tried putting up a menorah my building at least 25,000 people were of working traffic will see the menorah. We have a position from one from neighbor saying that if we let let that happen then they're going to want to put up a video deserve for their holiday. How one how do I answer such a question in a way that will impact them people oppose and to is it worth to argue about it if the from you didn't feel uncomfortable or might lead or lag? obvious, is that all Okay. So first of all, let's address question. Number one question number one the rebbe addresses directly, especially in context of Prayer in schools as well and that prayer in schools and public schools will lead people some people say a prayer that's a very deserve from the point of view of Taylor. And yet having faith in this world is better than no faith at all and they never quotes. The rebel called the Baal Shem Tov who preferred a religious Christian than than a person who is an atheist. Especially according to the fact that they would buy them. It may not be have a deserter many days opinions. It's not my service same beard am as there are more rights meaning it just custom and just just just the meaning meaning just custom for them. Not a religious statement. Secondly the menorah represents. Spiritual light Divine Light, how could that be a bad thing? We live in a world with so many symbols out there, especially in the streets and public areas of negative. So I would try to explain to them in a peaceful beautiful way. There's so much Darkness out there adding a light can only help dispel Darkness. And you think that's why the the neighbors that are not Jewish are going to want to put up there. They put it up. Anyway, look the whole country is adorned during this season. Didn't have to wait for the menorah. So we're trying to bring some Jewish light into the picture. I would say, it's Universal. I'd but coming from Jewish sources and I would do this but that condemned by dr. Schulman a peaceful calm way now, some people will respond and some people will respond well. To say that it's obvious at all not to do it. You could also argue. Maybe it's obvious. Is that all that they should they should compromise and allow it to be done. I've not seen and of course if it's direct Max lake is we have to get into a major war is one thing but I've seen from the rebel that if you do it positively you usually can Prevail, so I'm not sure what would be a situation if definitely going to cause Mike Lakers, but I believe that the remember Mike Leake is To the tangle. The other person has to be really opposed. So what happens if they don't like that you were doing other things that say not the kind of manure and the public. Let's say the other you walk outside with your toddler son, or you wear a beard on the yarmulke and someone says, you know, you're embarrassing us Jews. So what does that mean? Because of their they say that they're going to be it's going to be Mike Lakers an argument. That's why you have to stop that. So I would say always look for the peaceful way. If it's absolutely only a can lead only Mark Lakers that needs to be looked at trying to recall. I think there's something on answer from that. I've I'll try to find it but beyond that that's the approach I would take as far as another question Hanukkah public lighting's I listened to your sheer 288. One of the questions asked was Going public lighting of Menorah and you said that there's the reason of pursue manisa publicizing the miracle since when do we start how to do since when do we decide how to do pursue manisa? We Cazale were mistaken the how and when our sages designate how and when maybe have a skywriter right? Happy Hanukkah. It surely would be persimmon is mmm. Driving around the city with an electric motor on top of your car that to is pursue manisa. Is that to pursue - why don't you Institute a matzo ball hunting the White House Garden to emulate the game during Easter Passover holiday, once you start to write your own whole office and Newman hug him, who knows what you may come up with next blowing shade from the New York City Council during LL stick to the mid-surface in the shocked America RAV, and you won't go wrong. Okay. Well you're entitled to a question and I that's why I read it. But number one is we have a debit and a Deb is that you shut tight and he shall offer, you know, she'll Canada better than I am better than you and he instituted public Bernards. It's not some guy that came up with it. Because I'll be there a no. Yes and a leader. Now you say you want to learn what you don't want to follow him or you're accepting that's your business, but there are thousands if not hundreds of thousands that do and that's who they answer to and if he did something even we don't have an explanation. It knows it's definitely based on a locker initial carnatic and and and all kind of calculate arrows actually rotate including Premier cetera. Also a person who takes the pulse of Our Generation and understands what's needed. Then the age of assimilation up to 80 90 percent public Community can remind wonju of their jewishness of God of a mitzvah. then maybe what did you think about that that did not exist back the time of huzzah that issue Jews are embarrassed of their Judaism if this can help a little relieved that shame we're not doing in the situation where we're living with non-jews threatening us. Definitely not them a note is causing it. Then the contrary Terminator is a symbol of freedom and therefore public winners were upheld in the court courts are secular courts of law in America. And it could even be an Awakening to them to bring light into the world as we see now thousands tens of thousands of public when I was being lit tell me what the results are measure the results. So now you'll say okay. So do the ends justify the means just because the results are good. Well, that's why I went back to debit. Where's their issued to put up a public when Ada does not create new Mitzvah snack Ryan Newman hug him I was saying that specially today where most poskim say we love right at home and at home itself not even in the window and the door that there's a pursue manisa which we do in show and can also be applied to a vitamin are in the public because that's what it does. Now, whether it's how locking persimmon is where they make a broccoli obviously dependent on the flames and what when and who should make the brachot that's details, but the concept look what look what's going on is creating a kid is shy Shen? And that's what a leader like the rebel can do and understood it. He knew it before it happened. That's what he pushed for and we now can look in retrospect and see that a doctor was accomplished. And yes case-by-case certain things are acceptable certain things are not to be done soon things we have to do we were told to do and there are areas. Yes, there are areas where you can go ahead and bring the endoscope and God yes to other people doesn't always have to be in manifestation in the form of a Mitzvah when you go and business you talk to people about God. Is that going outside of the pale? Some people feel it is you only talk about God in my home and my show and in my cradle Look at of Rama V know we spread godliness everywhere your behavior Kiddush Hashem people look at you. That's not a new thing that's taking responsibility that you are proactive Jew. That's far enough. That's proud of being Jewish and proud of bringing light than being a dog Micaiah a living example of what God wants a human being to be on this Earth. Okay, one more little short follow-up and then we'll go to the see this question Raquel passing away after having Sons. I spoke about that. But there it was due to the fact that she says I will die if I don't have children, so I neglected to mention that Raschi and the pasok actually says that when they were leaving love on so the the gets cos the idols were stolen the traffic. So loved and comes to the Yakima says bring me back who stole the things he says whoever stole the child, I meaning some vouchers that I did not so Rashi says that was the reason that Raquel died prematurely. So that's requires its own discussion. And seemingly from that clearly was not rakhal's own words. It was due to a particular area. Why should why should she die be the act of known that it was Russell would have said that so that's another discussion. I just wanted to add to the hole. Equation of the topic and we'll talk about that another time fine. Okay. Now this is this question following up from the beginning of the program. What is this Hanukkah according to Exodus? So we talked about different aspects of his race as being very silly Gillies amount of ads by over Amazon the beginning actualization of potential. And there's a minor cold water socialism from the outer debit also need some of the same notes of Hanukkah minor and it's printed in irritated from the sympathetic with a sympathetic seditions. It's printed in Volume 5 of Bodacious of a litera page tough tough customer base and of sieve daleth section for tough tough customer base Allah that with that's the equivalent of 962 a And remember brings this mimer in a few of his talks number of places and different notes that he wrote individuals and explains it as well. So let me refer to where the rubber brings it and then I'll read briefly what it says on the river explains it in Shabbos passion McKay stuff. She enjoyed today's going back now all the way back to the early parts of the mysterious. That would be 1951 most likely as those chronic a tough salamat test. That would be 1978 and of 78. If Hanukkah was still in December. And their insights and very short that's under static and this could be from the alter rebbe. He compares the seven to eight days of Hanukkah to the eight days of Hanukkah has made a tremendous - Emma - Emma million. That's the eight days of when they dedicated the temple. And explains what are these eight that you bringing down? The 7 Days of attic attic is the highest level in Casa de pleasure. Divine pleasure that's the core of divine pleasure of the deepest levels of the Divine. So there's seven dimensions of that and you bring them down into Malthus. Malthus means that you reveal them. So I think they're a super conscious State and you bring them into a conscious State all the way to man. I just hug them but to the last of the ten spheres which is Marcos. And that's the eighth day because the 8 is the 7 in 1. And he says that's why it's called says Konica zase. Kanuka. Some is bear because they is he Malthus. This was no more notion of cave and adds there and race also means bagillion malkos reveals that which is from higher levels, which is concealed. So that's why it's called leis kind of because it reveals the concealed dimensions of the supra-conscious attic. Then it's under study continues and says but makamaka news by elsewhere it explains. There have been a footnote there the lab we gave our disc the countries in those early years in several countries with footnotes. So says elsewhere like HIPAA the opposite Sheehan has yeongnam that a days is not seven higher levels that come into one. It's the other way around. It's a one higher level that comes into seven High new Odetta cause I love Zion shame Zion me this the seven emotions. I'm a cobbler McGinnis Olive that received from the olive who cursor enclosed. Little changes that the aleph is the higher level. The one is higher and it's either cassette not attic but cast includes Artic or close. Give me the sanest which means K cirhonk Medina the first three heads the first three spheres. So the opposite before we said it was the seven coming into mouth closed until one revealing it being revealed and now it's the one coming in to 7. So the debit debates the issue. It is on talk whether the second interpretation is interpretation in general about the seven to eight days a million. Maybe not related to Hanukkah and the ribbon is narrator. He leans toward that interpretation that the second interpretation is not about Hanukkah. It's going back to the topic that he spoke about before that's in this publication of this conical tough. Salami test in this market optional base. He reconciles the to He says because in order to bring it down into malkos, you need to go to a higher place. So basically would be the olive of Castle gives the power to the seven meters to then bring it down into the center marvelous in the revealed way. So you have eight both ways. You have eight coming from the top down now they wanted to 7 and then seven into one that's what appears as a McKay's. What is it relevant to us the relevance to us as I discussed earlier as the rebbe explains is about revelation. The focus is if it's one of the seven you could say, yes, it's becoming going into the middle saw this coming down but you don't have the Gilliam alkyls and what you want to have is that it should really be fully alive that the light of Hanukkah and the last day shouldn't just be one that remains in higher domains, but one that energizes imbibes us and internalised in the fullest possible way where the light is shining brightly for all to see and for all to experience. But it's a light that's coming from a much higher level. It's not just a light the seven. Made the somatic are feeling this lights on this Chronicle. You have the 7 and 1 so you have the highest levels coming in the most revealed possible way. So you have the deepest Secrets being revealed in the most reveal possible way. Okay with that we conclude the City Cebu now the essays. The essays three essays first one is living in the perfect moment living with the Messiah your heel belfer age 42, Victoria, Australia the lawyer. Okay. Living with a messiah a popular catchphrase among Hasidic circles quoting the lubavitcher rebbe burnt, but what principle standards or morals is this message supposed to impart are we at deserving of the Messianic promise times? If not, how are we expected to or capable of acting as if we are or perhaps this phrase is not an instruction, but rather a high-level mission statement only intended to inspire. I have attempted to explore Concepts contained within a disclosure discourse presented by the ribbon to Mark the the conclusion of the chelation. Following the passing of his wife the rebbetzin in his response to our prophecy that promises the radek the eradication of death from this world. I found valuable advice on how living in your perfect moment can help even those of us not perfectly righteous to experience the ideal of living with the Messiah. Beautifully stated and goes on to actually spell this out. But is it for me when you learn all these deeper Concepts and citizens really relevant to a person who's we know may not be on the highest level. Even for those beneath intermediary meaning beneath the bay nanny. and talks about Maka Hashem the caucus demon Michalka component meaning God will raise the tears from every face. It means the end of death and then explains how that can be made relevant to each one of us and how each of us plays a role that we are needed in the unfolding of this drama the focus on love. And yes creating your perfect moment in an imperfect life your moment with God. Where to from here a glimpse of future times really excellent essay. The moment is talking about is Billingham obviously Nets are which means that that that death will be swallowed up forever. The rebbe said that on the 5th of Menachem of adoption Cafe, which was when the rabbits are kinda rub his mother passed away, but was published in 1988 after the rabbits of Hai mushkil passed away, very beautiful essay and you can find this and other essays that are posted a new For the first time I should say at citizen applied that cam. We also can find all the previous episodes archived as well as a forum where you can submit your Anonymous totally anonymous question essay. Number two is in Hebrew had a reckless lyrical admit be so marketers leadership of Russia the way to succeed and to train yourself in implementing decisions in / inhuman Perfection and perfecting yourself and after mental Ashkenazi age 19 Car Hobbit. Students in shiva's Temple, it will make for a hobbit. So the title tells it all. then and the addresses exactly that and uses looking here with the my muramatsu this. What motivates us to create change in our lives and why is it so difficult to do so the power of the status quo? And recognizing that this is the stakes are so high how you counter that with forces that recognizing that resistance what you can do to make sure that you implement I'll get another very good essay and well worth reading. I'm moved and touched and amazed frankly every time I read these essays how people put so much energy and investment and really interesting stimulating ideas that too often armed ones. You have not heard before. so I congratulate you for that and then we'll do the last Essay with about will be How to say this to Clay is a limit topple. So this as an instrument or a tool for therapists therapy therapist Tammy cooperman 51 Ramat Gan Israel, huge bias. Okay. So this one is really a very therapeutic type guidelines taken from considers these rights that in this this essay. I checked I researched how socks it is so offers us tools for even for a professional therapist. And I did this by looking at three perspectives the psychological perspective. The intellectual perspective a cognitive perspective and a behavioral perspective. And by doing by combining them and using cities, of course the comparing it to CBT and so on. She develops a pretty good blueprint. For how we can apply Exodus into the area of therapy. So this is good both for Lay people and of course for therapists and Professionals, in other worlds on job is quite extensive and elaborate which is great in this case. So thank you for that as well. And with that we conclude the essays and we are celebrating this chronic as I said at the outset. I want to again announce the hate Tavis event this Wednesday night eight doors opening up at 8 p.m. It tables and evening for the books that calm. It will also be streamed live but of course being live and seeing you you see me and I seen you of course is most powerful of all so I personally invite you all may you have a very very powerful and Illuminating this kind of--can one that illuminates every crevice of Our Lives. Even the darkest corners made eliminate and eradicate once and for all all the darkness and hate out there. It may have helped us bring peace in our communities in our homes and our families and in the larger world with the Ghulam. It is vastly meant that from the manator of Hanukkah we go to read Kindle the Manila in the base. I mean, especially seeing the Third Temple in Jerusalem, inhale of you may know mommy's soon as possible as even tonight flavor Connick.

Addressing the Personal and Emotional Needs of Our Community and Answering the Most Pressing Questions of Our Lives -- from the Perspective of Chassidic Thought. TOPICS: • How should we react to the recent frightful attacks on Jews? 2:12 • Why is it called “Zos Chanukah”? 10:53 • Is Zos Chanukah the end of judgment of Rosh Hashana? 17:32 • What do the Chanukah flames “tell us”? 24:32 • How can we maintain the Chanukah energy after the holiday and not feel down? 27:14 • Lessons from Hei Teves and Vayigash 30:49 • What exactly are we celebrating on Hei Teves? 32:45 • If Hei Teves established that the seforim belong to the Chassidim, why is the library not open to the public? 36:28 • Is it okay to give any relevance to the secular New Year? 40:15 • Why doesn't Judaism have a mechanism to remove corrupt people in power, such as elections, impeachment, or other checks and balances? 43:15 Follow up: • Public Menorah 51:45 • Rochel passing away 59:39 • Chassidus question: What is Zos Chanukah according to Chassidus? 01:00:40 • My Life 2019 essays:      o Living in the ‘Perfect’ Moment. Living with the Messiah, Yechiel Belfer, 42, Victoria, Australia 01:06:20      o הדרך להצליח ולהתמיד ביישום החלטות לשיפור אישי, Menachem Mendel Ashkenazi, 19, Kfar Chabad, Israel 01:08:51      o החסידות ככלי עזר למטפל, Tammy Kuperman, 51, Ramat Gan, Israel 01:10:18 Submit your question now at  https://www.chassidusapplied.com/ask-rabbi-jacobson/ or email: info@chassidusapplied.com. The objective of the program is to provide people with inspired guidance and direction, empowering them to deal with any issue they may face. MyLife demonstrates how Chassidus provides us with a comprehensive blueprint of the human psyche as a microcosm of the cosmos, and offers us all the guidance we need to live the healthiest possible life and build nurturing homes and families, bringing up the healthiest possible children, emotionally, psychologically and spiritually. MyLife is brought to you by the Meaningful Life Center as a public service, free of charge.

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Yes, the dynamic duo is here to break it down the New York gossip and the near juice and the near the dirt of the ladies of the Real Housewives of New York City. Let's get into it. We have a lot to talk about tonight some tweets by Moi some news by Chels. We have a Bethany to discuss Yes, we have some dorinda's Sonia product placement stuff. That really drove me crazy. Ha ha ha it was not right. I feel violated. I am definitely we have to talk about Dale we have to talk about tensley. She had about twenty seven glasses of wine and you write and then had a breakdown. So yeah, let's just do it. Let's jump into it. Bethany's custody battle lives on we're just going to get the bad stuff out of the way seven years. I just want to say on the record. Some Hopi is such a jerk like, oh, yeah, I can't stand them. It's like what do you have to fight over for 7 years? Like what is there to argue about to deal with like why and it's not exhausting for him to like what like it's exhausting that even think about going through that torture. I really feel for her. Like that's such a super overwhelming process. Like I am a child of divorce and child custody battles and like being on the child side of it like only imagine like, I'm sure Bethany is trying her hardest to like Shield Bren from all of it. But like that's trying on her to like it's it's just even imagine it's so overwhelming. It's so overwhelming and it's thousands of dollars that she spending that could go to Brandon. Yes. Yes could be making their lives even more fabulous more happy because it's not just the emotional stress that goes on there's also the financial stress behind. Yeah that you're paying the lawyers you're paying like you're cutting out time where you can be doing business deals or whatever like it's a lot of money and It's just and I honestly feel when it comes to this. It's about Bryn and so I'm on Bethany side like yeah, I feel like she has done everything. She can do to be a good mom. So, you know, let's just talk about it. We don't complain about Paparazzi. This is Frankel and what sort of complain about there was one and he barely got you the umbrella helped Amy there was one but I love a kind of reminded me of Rena back on Beverly Hills for Denise. Richard's Wedding, yeah, like if there's no Paparazzi than there's no one talking about you true. So I mean like good for you Bethenny. You got the one pack. That's all you need pics or it didn't happen. Yeah excited to announce we talked about. Yes. Well, we move on a Jill Zarin who's super into tennis but like hitting it like tennis life kind of in it. Okay. So when I was watching this I was like now these women that are playing tennis like as a hobby or like how good are Actually, like actually I think they're really good. Let's take a look at least Coast think they're really like they're not looking like know about that Lifeboat. I don't know. I mean, I know I don't and that's why I'm asking like not for Nia. He's not ready. He's not and I don't know like the East Coast especially like I don't know. It's just all that white privilege up there smell it take it in. I'm just kidding. I know honestly, it's really common for yeah Coast girls to grow up playing. Tennis. Yeah, I guess I was just like are they really that good or was it just something that they do to pretend like? Oh I'm active. You know, I don't know like that's how it kind of came across that City. But I mean ma percentage Yeah Yeah, but I do think that if they go for like 10 years or you know, plus they got to be a little bit good. I'm sure but yeah, it is a very it's a good way to stay fit. It is a great way to still looks fantastic. She does. She's Jill looks really really good. Speaking of best life Luann is on a full-blown tour. Like selling out Chicago auditoriums all across the country. I brought up Chicago because she sold at she sold out that iconic Theater in Chicago that everybody knows about and I've seen her so yeah, you should have seen her. She has my money. She told me money for four songs. Hopefully, she's doing more songs in the show. I mean, yeah, but I've heard she hasn't been this so I mean you think It's still before song. I think. Yeah, I think I was just looking at podcast that Lance Bass was on and she has her guests really carry the show and she's yeah, it really is all about the friends and depends on who's there. Like it'll make the show amazing depending on who's there like here in La I thought it's la like we have yeah Stars yes stars, but I forgot like not only do we have stars but we have want to be stars and like it was a lot of wannabes there. Yeah. It was not just like wannabes and stuff, but it was People that have gotten like a little sip of the Bravo cup and they're just like writing it. I are trying a little too hard. It was like the People's Couch and it's bunch of gays on Mike's and it's like a bunch. It's like a big drag queen Festival like you never give a drag queen a microphone. She won't shut up. Imagine giving like for gay guys. It was just it's too much. I mean, I don't know if I would want to go to a luau Lounge. Yeah, Erika Girardi show. I think I'm here. Oh my God, that would be so much. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I'm gonna invest my money and I'm next. Time is going to Erika Jayne. She should do like Pride. She should do you know is doing we hope ride is Paula Abdul? What where she come from? Hello from the 90s. I know but where am I just go straight? Okay, Paula. Yeah. We just did like three Paula puns. She did one and she didn't even know it. I said she's coming back with vengeance straight up which is a polyp pun. And then you said oh, Paula this is the name of her reality show. Okay Cola which was iconic please if there's some Paula Abdul stands in the live chat, please say hi be known I see you guys in the live chat. I see some of you guys watching Matthew Kennedy. Hello Sarah. We love that you guys are watching. I see that you guys are saying it was a boring episode. I don't think it was the boring episode. I laughs there was some things that we're going to talk about hopefully will make you laugh. So make sure to tune in till the and I mean Ramona is jumping into the barber pole. So you need to tune in for that and to render there's like previews of her going crazy again. She's starting again. Oh that was that was a good day. Yeah preview exactly. What I did next. We see you guys. Thank you so much for joining us. Make sure to subscribe to two or more of our channels and will shut you out on our show. Make sure to comment that you subscribe so we can use your name on our podcast the next episode and shout you out. And if you're listening to us on iTunes, make sure to give us a five star rating now. Give us a thumbs up on YouTube. We love the comments. Keep a comment. Yes. We love Paul I guess and Luanne should get drag queens in the show. That would make it so much better. It would make it better I think and I don't know like I'm just not big blue fans. Yeah. I did love when she's sad. Her doctor said that when she drinks who's not a beautiful drug and I just was like, you know what I should have just taken some screenshots of myself when we catch everybody. I was gonna say I'm glad she said that belt like a my mom liked post. Pictures on Instagram or something or she'll like I'll show her pictures from like my night out. So you had a lot to drink and Tina. Yeah exactly. I get 1 eyelets quits a little bit more than the other and she's like, yeah, that's her drunk face. Exactly. Everybody has one and you know what just to be fair and not to point out Luann like everybody's drunk face is not attractive. That's because actually being drunk is really not attractive. It's not but it's fun it is and I can't wait to get drunk in Vegas. I'm going I'm not Coming up. Okay. Ogre Kaaba is mine. I've partied in Mexico law, but I'm scared of Mexico right now. It's not good right now. Well, thanks when Memorial Day Weekend bachelorette party. Mmm. You don't know for sure. Just be careful. You guys have someone that speaks Spanish. Okay, we're gonna have to talk. Hopefully Becky comes back. Yeah. Well, let's just keep going Jill's dog. Got hit in the face with some balls. It happens. Sometimes you get hit in the face with ball gotta you gotta keep your head on a swivel. It's just like when you're a soldier out in the field. It happens. You take some balls to the face. At least you picked her up and put her away, you know, we talked about her alcoholism, which I didn't feel like she described it in the most honest way, but she did say like all one day at a time and Life is a cabaret old chum. Yeah, I'm trying to stay away like by keep being on the stage. I'm technically like away from all the madness which is kind of helping. So I just wanna leave it at that. I think yeah, I don't think she explained in the best way. I think she did it. I think she's just a very secretive drunk like when Joe's like I didn't think you were like a drunk like alcoholic. I totally downplayed she did because she hit it, you know instead of saying like, oh I can have a whole bottle of wine and then make Make phone calls for loans house is an upper State like don't even try it. Yeah, so yeah, she definitely doesn't really explain it. Well, but I mean, it's her sobriety so she could yeah, that's why I was like, I don't know if I want to unravel it because she is sober and she is saying I'm taking it one day at a time. I don't know. I just feel like when you talk about certain people when they're going through stuff like that, not just the when people in general they can have triggers. Yeah. So I feel like sometimes it's really the tough. Love thing. There's like a fine line because And you just point out everybody's flies or people's flaws. Like when you show a mirror to people they don't like that. Yeah and like being on reality TV is a mirror itself. So adding to it. I'm just not sure if it's the best way if it's her truth, that's fine girl. Just stay sober and do you but you know, let's just keep it at that tens and her mom are discussing that her dad is watching over her at the circus, which is nice. But Scott again is the topic and you know what I'm going to Throw him in there with the jerks of Bravo along with Jason Hoppy like Scott is a big fat. Jerk. I was gonna call him at F boy. But yes, he is. Definitely he is a jerk seriously the epitome of a chubby boy who got power and got some money and now he's like stringing girls along like you're ridiculous Dale explained it perfectly when she said he won't let go but you won't take her exactly like come on and why why are you sending me photos of your conversation between you and a jewel? About a ring that you're supposedly going to buy me like why do I need to know that you are thinking about buying an engagement ring? And we're broken up. Yeah, I do. I need to know that he's so why don't why so I could think that you might eventually buy me that ring and proposed and keep me on the he's just playing with her head. I can't again like not to be rude, but she seems like pretty easy to play with that and it's also like I think I don't think we're giving you enough credit like The Break-Up is somewhat raw still too. So it's like what like a week or two because break again. She's just kind of coming off the military project. Will this entire season regarding this relationship? Well, she's on Watch What Happens Live tonight which we haven't watched. So if she seems stronger than yesterday, it's been good for her. I did like her dress Brittany bun. We know the Renda and Sonja are deciding or I don't know if it's Durand and Sonia or if it's Bravo, but they decided they want to promote. This Anne Hathaway movie. I'm not even gonna say the name of it because I don't want to put it on the podcast like it's that bad. I'm that pissed about it. I was irate as soon as I saw them walk out of the little movie theater. I look at the movie poster. I'm pointing at it and say oh and Hathaway. Oh, they were so good. I like you guys are really bad pieces stick to reality TV. Stop it. I hope they do not do this anymore for any other housewive platform or whatever. I did like done it before in the show. Yes, you have to stay tuned to our tweet segment to find out what other franchises have pulled this stuff because I like this is a whole different level like this is a full-blown different level the show. I like when they do the whole like Marshall Marshall think that's cute. It's fun like some of it has been good. Yeah, but to put it in the show and like take like that's no no, it was not a good show when they had this like promotional thing so fill time and it's No, I don't want it. I don't want to see them at the movie doesn't go to begin with. I don't want to see it. I don't want to see it on my show. I like yeah, I don't come to Housewives to watch commercials. That's what we do. That's how we're not even going to say the name of the movie cuz you know what? I like Devil Wears Prada the most. Oh, yeah get over and that's the best and - yeah. She didn't she wasn't even that good when she cut her hair off and lame as okay. I've seen better prostitutes with no hair. I totally bald and still. Yeah shit. Oh Jesus. Well, you know what? It was. So obvious they were working this stupid movie into the conversation and then they go to Scott like it's a natural transition who's chubbier and more Stringer a longer than he was when we were talking about him. We have her back. No, actually you don't And discussing her relationship behind her back whether she's there or not is not appropriate so you don't really care. I don't think so. Not in the context that they were talking about. I think they do care. About her and I think they do have their best like interest for you don't ever talk. Like I talked about my friends relationships together friends children's friends. Are you listening see what she does bring up friends? And we always talk about friends in general and we talked about each other. It's a natural human thing a malicious website like its kind of replace concern. Yeah, and I feel like they were no. Okay. Can we do like can we do like a graph like 20 20 percent was Melissa Jealous, I think Sonja was coming from more of a malice a place and like malice it could you just shade it could be. Yeah, she missed it could be just Pinot Grigio. That's pink sparkling wine. Yeah, you know what? I mean? We're drinking. Yeah. I just I do like when they were on the boat a couple episodes back and here's a really loud when she comes out. Okay. Can I leave she's done? Can I leave she when they were talking about our relationship on the boat? And then when they're at the dinner party Like I understand her feeling overwhelmed because they're all coming to her with these opinions. But did I do feel like they're all coming from like a place of one experience because they're older and wiser. Oh, yeah and into like actual care. Yeah, and it's the truth and so for her, she's not like that. I just I just feel like sometimes when you feel when you when you hear that someone's been discussing you. Yeah, sometimes like the paranoia that insecurity comes out and you're just like, oh God like it's Yeah, like I know it's bad like did you guys just sit around and talk about how bad it was because like it's not going to get any better. It's gonna make me like obsessed. You know what I mean made me especially, you know, she's going to watch a bath he's gonna watch it back. But you know what made me like that was a little interesting to me is when I think it was the Renda or one of them ribs are like we don't know anything about Scott like we don't know what they do and only shopping we don't know what they doing and their relationship for fun. Like we don't know, you know, it's like when Are seeing somebody and you like share them with your friend like your friend knows like he's from XYZ or he does this for fun or we like to do whatever it's like they don't know much about their relationship. But I think that kind of says a lot like the only thing they know is that he likes when she's in Chicago. I don't think she knows anything about him. Yeah. Yeah. It just seems very surface level. It's very surface. I'm really surprised. She went in this deep like, yeah the when she said to her mom, I know we're jumping ahead. But when she said I worked really hard to get to this plays I really Ever like I really feel like she really worked hard to like this guy for some reason like why did you put all your eggs in this guy? Like it was really surface from the beginning like well Ivan threw yourself at him right away. Like she kissed him within 30 seconds of being on the day. She totally dead but I also think he gave her enough for her to think that he was serious that because he's like that surface nice guy. Yeah like has he's chubby and don't I don't want to hurt each other because I'm chubby. Okay, so chubby can hate on chubby. I feel like because he's been chubby. Yeah, like knows how to be a nice guy and probably like a pleaser and stuff. But now that he has a little bit of power and a little bit of money. He has gone to his head and he's like, oh my God this I don't have to be like this anymore. I don't really nice anymore. Like the money can just talk for itself. The power talks for itself. They hear my title. They've seen me on the show and now they're like throwing their cat at me. It happens. OK Beebo. Well, so I just feel like he has like a spectrum side like the graph we were talking about. I feel like when he got a little bit of money and power it was already like probably out of 75 25 and then being on the show, even though he tries to act like he hates it really fueled his ego. Yeah, because people see people on TV and they all of a sudden think that they're on a different kind of pedestal or level so they treat that person like their famous. Yeah, and then those people react that way. I just I don't know I yeah, I just I think all along he strung her along and like kind of gave her a little bit more than you know, gave her enough to keep her around and gave her more than what he was actually willing to like give her give her a long term and that's what got her in so deep like I think she really thought he wanted to like start a family and get married with her and well that's tough. And I don't think he ever really that's not going to happen before we continue one of the ways we keep all these shows for you free. 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She can't stand the way she looks did you get the let out did you get the let out I I I got the joke, but I was just like this is not this is not funny and like okay. I'm like, why are we making Barbara thing like, why is this like why is this a scene? Why are we? We here with her like why are we making her think? She's not and the outfit was not that good until she threw the black sparkly Blazer over really brought it together. Like it was super basic. It's just doesn't she doesn't do it. Am I Wrong the sweater dress do you like her? I don't really care for her. Why are we keeping her around? Like I thought after this whole like the way I do right now to be gone. You have to give me like a reason for me to like come for you and I don't want to come for her yet because she hasn't really done anything. I can't fault her for being boring. Yes, you can. Yes, you most certainly can eventually but like I'm waiting for her to like kick Ramona in the mouth. So hopefully I don't know how drinking game alert and Italian says chubby let's take could drink. Okay, Matthew Kennedy boys take a drink on me. Hello to Jose Johnny Jim. Who else Jim Johnny Jose all my favorite men. Is there any more? More I don't know. Yeah, Jim Johnny. How's a who else that's it? Right? There is no other boys in the mix know. You're good boo, Jameson when he's not really a boy. Yeah, I think we're just probably Irish leprechaun leprechaun now, they have to be like a boy's name like a Jose Cuervo Johnny Johnny Walker, you know, that's why I mean like the boys Tito's. Oh Glenn Glenn's boy. Hi Glenn. Oh God, such a boy's name. Oh, yeah, it is see. How do you brother Tito for me? All right. Well, let's Okay, like the lead thing that the Led Zeppelin thing like first of all, why are you saying? To a 25 year old stylist. She doesn't know what the f you are talking about like you are giving away your age but there's nothing wrong with ageism or being old certain age like and Led Zeppelin like you could have said that to me. I am of a certain age and I still like it would still be before me I would still get it though. I thought it was Led Zeppelin, but I just didn't really understand. I found talking about a gun mean I was like what? I don't know. Yeah, it was definitely awkward when you weird have to read the room. Umm, the best part about it was on the home ants I think it's two women having like a bromance like we need to call it something different because I've had home ances. You know, what a home answers. That's when you have a romance with the how okay and you know what she'll get to the point and she'll work on her mouth Ramona if he talked about her dad. He noticed that Barbara was like, oh, you know, my dad had a really bad filter and I think that's how you are, Ramona. And Ramona all of a sudden had like an aha moment internally in the confessional, of course because not in the moment. Do you think it actually is going to melt just pretend it's real because Romano's talking about it. We don't believe her just so just like we don't believe the fake tears as she is TV gold like yeah, that's why really is just amazed. That's why I just want to be like one, you know it I'm going to work on it because I don't want to be with my dad and she said, you know I'll get to the point and you know, I'll work on my mouth. All right. Well good for you behind every housewife. There's a young gay choreographer Erika Jayne now Luann de lesseps but Luann came first and she won't be the last I'm sure this one's name is the maquis hips go to the knee. She's performing at a Halloween party Luann is working. She is a professional and they're wearing nurse outfits. What do we think my only issue with this? Is outfits like I understand we're in costume, but could they not have put on some sexier heels? Like they were in those like actual like white plastic. I know like where the whole nurse outfit and put on some slut shoe. Yeah. Can we get some hooker heels in here? Yeah, I liked. Why why are we in these plastic flat plastic can be hooker heels. No, but they were silent the clear one. They were like the top like the TOMS Shoes. Oh, yeah, that's not good. I don't want that Sarah are vantes. Thank you. Jack Daniels. Yes, that's what I meant. Jim Johhny Jack. And oh my God, I can't do this glitch Jim Jim Johnny Jose. I would I cannot do it. I have like a full list. It would become other next week and it'll be really good. Anyways, yeah, what do we think about Luann's dance moves? They were horrible. Yeah. I mean, she's like olive oil she's tall and lanky and she's just not like you're not Sonia like Sonja is just a free spirit and she's a master of and prop. She's the guests man. Like you have to be a yes person. To do improv and be successful like the ringleader said twirl or somersault and she did twice love her. She's just so fabulous and like tens. He's like I can't do that. I'm just gonna be honest about it. Frankel has hasn't had this bad of skin in 10 years according to her esthetician its prime Source the number one source. She wants to sell she's done everything amazing and she's come so far. She's a badass bitch. When it comes to business, yeah sell it. Yeah, I mean I just I wish that she was selling it under better circumstances. Like her reasoning for selling is because of the personal stress that she's going through right now like I would much you know rather her sell her company when like, you know, like when I get that beer I get that but you know what I'm gonna disagree with you because I feel like she's at a level that has surpassed her. Yeah own. Manifestation and Destiny and world girl you could literally not work for the rest of your life and be okay with it and life is short. I feel like people should enjoy their life more like sometimes I want to go on vacation and they tell me your bank account look at it. You're not supposed to go on vacation, but I'm like, you know what? I'd rather just go on vacation. Anyway, yeah and be broke because like, why would I want to travel when I'm 50 and successful and have money because 50 I'm not gonna be able to get around like I'm getting around now like I'm not going to have the fun that I'm not I mean, I totally understand that. I think what like hurt me was when she was coming home from the court house and she called her, you know business partner was like just sell it like like an Impulse decision. Yeah. I just thought like, you know, I have so much going on in my personal life that I can't even like manage my other businesses like yeah. She has too much on her plate regardless, like even if she wasn't going because custody battle. I'm sure she would be selling. You know skinny girl anyways, but I just think because it was rooted like the initial like, you know replace On Emotion. I was because of what her told her business partner knows our he's like chickadee breath like and then we're gonna get to it going to sell it for like dirt cheap either. Like I know it's like the right move may be a good idea. That's a great idea. I just like it made me sad like, I'd rather it be like, you know, she's with bread one day and she's like, you know what? I don't need skinny girl right now. Yeah like her to sell like it's like you can have that. Money and Link go enjoy your light even more even more than you're enjoying it now, but according to driver you don't even have time to drink water. So that's freaking sad. Why don't you sell your business and have some fun? Yeah, like go to Turks and Caicos with your new friend not Carol, obviously and like do something fun. Like you should enjoy your money someone that works that hard. Thank you Bravo for the little flashback of Bethenny bakes proving because Bravo only does montages to show us like evidentiary support like in court. That was the legal. LeBlanc you have to like show evidence to prove like your theory. So if Bravo's giving us this narrative that Bethany's worked really hard and she in there showing montages of her selling a frickin cookie in a supermarket and now she's a millionaire that's quite a journey and what she completely deserves it. She's Rich super super hard. Yeah, I agree. No, I agree. I totally agree. Well Tinsley is the ringmaster and the girls are coming and John's coming and Dales coming and Everyone's coming together and tense. I did pretty good. Like she drank all that wine for literally three seconds. I wouldn't have drank all that wine and climbed up so high but I thought she did pretty good. It wasn't like anything crazy. Dorinda's right. She could have had a little bit more levels in her voice some more animation, but to rent has been trying to take her job that beginning like you are not the ringmaster. She's been a little thirsty the last couple of months about it. Yeah, John's like you have proof that you did this. He's been a little Thirsty regarding it, but you know what? Yeah. I was a little II didn't know what to expect for your family. Like I didn't know what she was going to be doing. Yeah. She's really cute. She's super adorable. It was cute quick little Cameo and I thought she was fine. She was nervous, but she took her breath like in the middle of it. She was like and she walked forward like she was nervous, but she did it like she did her job. Like that's what you're supposed to do dear job. Totally precious. I love the law outfit the sparklies and I didn't like the little pink dot They were a little too big it was but like when you're on stage, yeah, they gotta be bad. Yeah, I get it the for that but like up close look silly. Yeah, plus I was like guys bring the dots down bring the dots down, you know, um, the Renda said it was like a I'm doing it into my graph but Brenda said it was just okay. She just did okay at a time. Yeah. She really wants a position. That's what she does when she wants like to be on stage and you're not You know allowing her. She's gonna Heckle. Yeah, I like that. She was like, I spilled my wine. Can we get more wine? And so he was like holding a child while drinking which is very easy. I've done it a lot. I've held lots of infants and drank before especially at weddings. Like people just meet people handy your kids at wedding baby's coming out somewhere. Yeah. I mean I Got but what really killed me was. I mean, it's just Ramona being Ramona, but like such a bad. She's really leaving like you really couldn't carve out like Durant is like what a bitch it is a bitchy thing to do like you and I don't even believe her that she has a date that's think I'm relieved Orinda that she probably got a text and was like, they're like, oh come to the bar. We're here at the Regency or something and she saw something shiny has a date like that's always her. I have a date. I have a date. I have to leave early have a date like no, you know that many dates. It's Ramona. Exactly doubt. That's why I was like, I don't believe you. Yeah, she doesn't it's not about me. Show me where you going. Yeah, cuz and she would have prefaced it with like, oh, I have to leave early. I have prior engagements or whatever like know tell that to the hostess like before you accept the invitation. You know what I'm gonna pop in if it's okay with you. I don't want to double dip or like eating run as they call it but I do have an engagement that I did plan before you invited me, but I really do want to support you. Do you mind if I just Cameo or just make an entrance. Yeah, and yeah and the Priestly I want the driver to drop me off at 9 p.m. And pick me up at 9:15 shark. Yes, like that is appropriate but like you have to be some sort of like absolutely happy gracious about it. Like, you know gracious about it is not a soon as Tim's Lee came and sat down. She's like oh, so can I leave now? It's dark. It's a good time for me to go we can see here. At her age not to be ageist or whatever. Yeah, she would know some manners well, but it's Ramona Ramona. She's just going to be who she is and she's going to keep getting that Apple because she's never going to change speaking of not changing Sonja was doing somersaults stole the show. It's because that was definitely taking notes. He was like, I can't do that. I was dying it loving it. I I was amazing everybody. And I don't dress like amazing. Yeah, I thought was great when she spit in his face like it was just so good. Like she's hilarious. He threw the water on his face. I'm trying to put myself in her position as I'm watching thinking. I'm not gonna throw the water on my face. I would have I'm going to throw it in his face, but she because she's just not an ordinary improv actor like I thought throw it in his face like everyone else did she was like, I'm going to take it a step further. I'm going to ingest the water. Water and spit it out him which made his freaking laughs hysterically like she is a true comedian. So I'm Morgan and um to rewind when she when he first pulled her out the audience she like what to kiss make out with us. She tries to make out with everybody loved it. I was like, yes Sonia like going for that kid Sonya when I drink I do try to be God. Well, I'm just attracted to everyone when I first meet them. I'm but it wears off in the first couple minutes. I just the first couple minutes. I'm like very like touchy not unlike a Essential way but like just like, oh my friend like yes, like I'm like that. I don't really get touchy. I'm just very open at first because I want you to feel comfortable as well. You know what I mean? Just because I hate people that get all the information I have you and your they're like and then you feel like oh my god. I've talked so much. I want to be like, so tell me about you and they're like, oh nothing like really I just told you my whole life story. You're not going to give me anything. I hate when people do that. I don't like that either. It's like information gatherer, really? Bone Collector tell me about you for I have to look it up. Yes a sewer or moaning. The eye is Ramon on the eyes. Yes. Don't just don't you don't support other women Bethany. So just don't well, we've had 17 glasses of wine and you know what that means. Let's have a breakdown Tinsley had a full don't blown meltdown. She said she wasn't good or ever and Dell says stop it. It's about Scott just stop it. She's like a little kid inside you guys. I've talked about this before it was really really really sad to watch she's very depressed. She said she's very sad, I believe her she's lashing out at her mother. She's being negative. She said the f word I loved Windows like doughnut curse. I don't care if you're having a public meltdown over twenty five glasses of wine. You not say the F-word not correct? Okay. Okay Dale. Well Dale says move on. You know, I would have put her in the car and be like you are going home girl. You are having a meltdown. You've had too much to drink. This is about Scott get your ass in the Uber and go home. Don't curse. I'm sorry get up and throw up in the privacy of your own bathroom like a normal person. You know, I like again. I think we were talking about this before we came on air this made tensley a lot more complex. Yeah me and gave her a little bit more of a personality and now you guys and layers. Yes. I Do like and I actually like maybe it's you know, I'm you feel bad for her. I'm not an emotional time and in the month right now, but I did kind of start to like a little bit too rough. Don't drink we don't want to have a breakdown not drinking for a month, but I did like I did feel for her and then I also felt for Dale because I don't I don't know if like mothers always feel for their daughters and you could see like Dale kind of like, yeah, like when her you know, when your child is sad like that mean it's sad it's like that. It was just a very nice too. Stress too because he wants you down the glass of wine that was for the both of them in that moment. But like Dell was completely right and not you know, you're projecting. This has absolutely nothing to do with a performance or you trying to please me. This is everything to do with the fact that you know, you're sad Scott's not here and you're done and you're drunk. So don't try to push this into something that's not and it is you do need to move on because he is no good for you and he is not going to give you the things that you need and it's just Blank sure, he could be a great guy. He could be he's not the right guy though. He's not the right guy. And that's what's most important. And then he's a nice guy doesn't make him the right guy. Yes. We're on here because right now he's getting yes. I just like it was it was a very emotional like a high-stress scene, but I definitely felt like it gave Tinsley layers and it makes her a hell of a lot more relatable than she ever has been ever on the show. So thank you for breaking down tensley. That's finally Like you I mean we've all been there. We've all been drunk and sad so Grace can like us on the live chat and I'm just kidding. No, sometimes you have to hit the bottom before you can go up sometimes like you have to go through the ugly before the beautiful comes out. Yeah. Sometimes you have to go through the storm to get to the rainbow you guys so if anybody others having a bad time just know it will get better. You guys just hold on. Hold on for one more day. I mean if I do watch Watch What Happens Live and find out that she's back with Scott though. I will be yes now. I don't think she is some better not be. Well, they didn't spoil it for us in the live chat, but hopefully she is moving on because that's what she needs to do. And you know what we're gonna move on to let's get into news and gossip just did it. All right. So we have a hot take Bethenny Frankel is kind of dipping in and giving her opinions on some. Oh geez in different cities. Tease Lisa Vanderpump. NeNe Leakes have been kind of Divas as of late lvp. Not really showing up for filling with Beverly Hills and because of the whole dog drama Frankel saying, you know, I really feel for them while attending an NYC event. She talked about Lisa. She's been on since the beginning and she's a very successful businesswoman. You know, we know she loves businesswomen's Bethany noted, you know, I get that she needs to take That fact she does need to go she needs to take some time off definitely needs to go but as you know, Bethany is friends with Kyle and Lisa Rinna from Beverly Hills and she goes on to say, you know, I got my girls backs. I love those women and I would love to bring however, she would love to bring Bryn over 2L vp's house. So she's not trying to burn the lvp bridge but she's still supporting The Other Woman speaking about NeNe. She goes I think it was beautiful Nene revealed her herself a lot this season going through cancer of a spouse with someone. We don't really know what's going on in the relationship and people are so quick to judge. I think it was really human and I related to her and she just cracked so she's been on think it was beautiful. I don't think it's beautiful either. I'm ugly the way Nene broke down and lashed out at everyone and I was negative and it was being physical with people I am with you. However Franklin beautiful about it Frank will stands with her girl in Atlanta saying I'm on her side. I think she was shut off during the reunions. I think she's gotten a lot an emotional Wallop I feel for her. So I am with you on this but Bethenny maybe has a different perspective being in front of the camera. I do agree with Bethenny that Lisa needs to step back because every time that the daggers come to her she just cannot handle it it did this to me on season four and then season 6 and season 2, but she throws a dagger exactly. It's like you gotta just take the heat. Sometimes you're gonna have a bad season like doesn't mean that you can't show for filming. Is it mean that everyone hates you like you're having like a bad day? Everyone has had one like that Lisa Rinna had a horrible year when she did that stuff to kill mention. I've been listening piece. I've been listening to a lot of I was a senior at Lisa Rinna on the Jenny McCarthy show and that was something she was like, this is a job and you know showing up for a job like yes, it's reality TV. It's our lives, but you didn't show up to filming for half of the seasons like I you know, like that's yes. Make sure to tune into its Bravo bitch my show on Sunday where we're going to be continuing to talk about this. Let's pull up tweets real quick because we have some tweets to show you guys and then we're going to wrap the show first tweets is by Danny Pellegrino. Let's zoom in here. 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This is the furnished John Burton. So there is a bit of a controversy with Bethel church and specifically a Ministry of Bethel church called changed and I wrote an article on this and you can check that out go to Burton dot TV and just search for the article. Just I bet if you just put Bethel Church in the search, you'll find it. But this Article has to do with a controversial post that they put on their Facebook page and regarding the issue of homosexuality and God's view of homosexuals. And so there are there are there's a lot of people that are a bit uptight about what they had to say and I made some Some comments. I left some comments there on the post and they actually responded but I was disappointed at the response and so you can see all of that on my on my article, but I just got to tell you that I'm concerned. I'm a little uptight about this they need to become or they need to be much more clear about it. Let me read to you what? They said let me see here. I'll read this to you. They said this is part of the post. This is the bulk of the post. Actually. They said God loves all people lgbtq+ and straight the message of changed which is the name of their Ministry changed has never never been that that all must change. Okay. The message has never been almost change. We share these stories specifically for Christians who are unfulfilled and identifying AS lgbtq Plus. For those of you who feel fulfilled and happy as you are we love you. All right, so that's that's the concerning part of the post and I responded to them and I'll just read you exactly what I said. I said, oh no, please Bethel Church. Please rethink this reconsider your wording the following that you wrote is not good. Did you possibly word it incorrectly? Then I quoted back what I just read to you at specifically this part. We share these stories specifically for Christians who are unfulfilled and identifying as l LG B TQ. + for those of you who feel fulfilled and happy as you are we love you. And so I left that comment and since then a lot of people a lot of people have been concerned some Christian news sites have picked up on the story including Premier Christian magazine the headline of their story was Has Bethel Church bashed on social media for being weak on LGBT q+ stance? Well, then I received a reply from Bethel church. And this is it. They said we believe you can fully love someone who you disagree with Jesus modeled this well for us. That's it. That was that was it that was the extent of their response to my extremely. Concerned comment, that's it, and they didn't bring Clarity. They haven't yet brought Clarity that I'm aware of. I'm believing they will I want them to you know, and Bethel church has done a lot of really good stuff, even though for me I'm someone that you know everything they do or every philosophy or theology. They have I don't agree with it all but that's pretty Normal, you know if with Ministries is there's a there's a lot that I would do different. There's a you know, there's a lot of their focus. I would definitely do different but it hasn't been until this point that I have felt led to address this or to deal with this, you know, because we and I wrote about that I shared this in the article. I replied back to him. Let me in and by the way, let me back up and obviously we love those we disagree with I mean, that's what But you know their response was you can love someone who you disagree with. Well who's saying it can I never said that I never said you can't love somebody you disagree with of course you do. Of course you love people. Of course, is that not obvious? I guess. I don't know. But actually that response makes me wonder are they hiding something are they being intentionally vague? I think I think maybe I don't know we're waiting. We're waiting to hear the response. So I replied back to them. I said, you know, we still don't know. If number one you simply worded your original post wrongly or number two, you actually believe Christians can identify as GB T q+ and for those who are fulfilled and happy there is no further action necessary. And so I'm waiting I'm waiting to hear which one is it. And so so the situation is people don't know they don't know what their stances but even more dangerous is that there are you know, they have a large following millions of people. Are now hearing from who they consider to be reputable well-known Christian ministers and they are are they giving them license to continue as homosexuals? Because if because if that is the takeaway from their post, which it's very easily can be the takeaway and they do no further investigating even if Bethel would not agree that you can be gay and Christian which shocked me if they would actually believe that you can be gay and Christian. But the takeaway then would be for many. All right, it's all good. God loves me, which is the ultimate goal which in their minds which by the way, it's not it's our response to God's love. So God loves me. He loves me just the way I am. I'm fulfilled the way I am Bethel Church loves me. It's all good. I don't I don't want to change. Those that want to change they can it's not a big deal change. Your don't change doesn't matter. You can change and God loves you or not change and God loves you and they're in their minds what that means is they are legit Christians and it's all fine. It's all good. Why did dangerous message, you know and here's a question what if they reworded their post? Let me read this what if what if they said this instead they didn't say this, but what if they did? We share these stories specifically for Christians who are unfulfilled in viewing pornography. For those of you who fulfill feel fulfilled and happy as you are. We love you. What if that was the message? What if they said we share these stories specifically for Christians, who are Child abusers who are Liars who are thieves who are you know fill in the blank? And it's all good. They don't address repentance. They don't address the Holiness of God. They don't address Mankind's wickedness. They don't address these issues at all. Not that post. Of course. I understand is too short posted. But the problem with that post is it is woefully incomplete to the point where it is communicating something that is in great error. All right, I understand provocative posts where you post something and the intent is for people to investigate further. I get that I do that every day. Do it all the time. I get it makes total sense. But the provocative post should not be something that would be identified as error. Should it stand alone? You know it's as it stands written as it stands. It has to be true and it's provocative form and it has to be true in the longer more comprehensive form where they further explain their point. If you're going to have a provocative post something that's going to cause people to think and to dive deeper your post at that level must still be true. And if it's intentionally. Almost like it almost to where it has his politically correct kind of feel to it to where they just kind of they minimize it down and try to appease all and try to and it's in it ends up being error ends up being wrong. Then you got a problem and see you know, that's that may be what's going on here. But again, we don't know now, I understand also bethel's a big Ministry. Just because the leaders of this particular program or this particular Ministry of Bethel, maybe they believe a certain way. It doesn't mean necessarily that Bill Johnson or the leadership of Bethel would sign off on it. Although, you know, say, you know, you have people on staff you have people leading programs and Ministries you have empowered them to make statements and to and to move in certain directions. And so Now it becomes Bill Johnson's responsibility if these guys don't do it the leaders of that program that of that Ministry now, it's Bill Johnson's responsibility to clean up the mess. And the world's waiting kind, you know Bethel is on the clock. Are they going to do this are how are they going to fix this my guess? Is that they're coming come out and they clarify and they explain and they say what most of us could presume that they would say that's my guess is they would do that. They would say something like we absolutely do not affirm that a Christian can continue on homosexuality or in any sin. But what we want to communicate is that we want to start this at a conversation level, and we don't To attempt to coerce people into responding to Jesus and we want to hear their hearts and we want them to know that we love them and we want you know, so you start you know, and and ultimately they will and they will understand that change is required. I don't know. I mean, I'm wondering would they say something like that? I would hope so. But as it stands right now we have problems we have trouble. You know, the bottom line is we all must change, you know, I think that's I think that's a faulty as a faulty kind of a statement that's in the really attaching that statement to kind of their Ministries this idea that they reject this idea that all must change. I mean, let me read it again. I'm almost them. I'm second-guessing myself. Even as I'm talking to you all they say God loves all people lgbtq+ and straight the message of changed has never been All must change. Okay, that's what they're saying. But the reality is and I addressed this in the article all must change if you want to follow Jesus. You got to change Rich Young Ruler wouldn't change. Jesus said you can't follow me. So so the problem is is we have this we're going to have people following Jesus convinced they're saved but they're following him in an unsafe condition. When they hear messages like this and I think all is well, but they're not surrendered their not embracing sanctification and Consecration and they're continuing in sin. The Bible is clear about that if we continue in sin there remains No sacrifice for that sin. Hey, read it Hebrews 10, you know 2627 read that. But you know when we're commute when were evangelizing when were communicating we've got to stop all of this psychological sociological philosophical stuff trying to trying to say things the right way and you know, so we can convince that and convince people that Jesus is attractive and got to just walk on eggshells and just say the right things and hopefully maybe they'll consider Jesus. We got to stop that preach the truth and if people walk let him walk If they don't want Jesus, let him walk pray for them Cry tears over that decision. That's a horrifying decision. But you're not helping the situation by encouraging them to follow Jesus at a level less than what he demands. You know stop minimizing the cost of following Jesus and hiding offensive truth in the hopes that people will get saved. It's it's not the way to do it. So We need to preach truth. We need to preach the fire of God. We need to preach Holiness. We need to do it with with passion with love with the fear of the Lord on us. We've got to do that, you know, but what's going on Bethel Church. Come on. I'm doing my best. I mean I'm doing my best really because this is a core value of mine to honor you guys and and you know, I'm giving you you know in terms of just in My own tiny little world. I'm giving you this this opportunity to would you just respond and let us know kind of where things were things are because this is a big ordeal. I think than we realize it's a big big deal also in the article. You can read, you know, why stuff like this is such an intense issue for me, you know, I believe that it's becoming more and more rare for people ultimately to go to heaven even those who are currently Ian's I believe it's rare, you know, I had this encounter with hell we're God told me said John many will many Christians will be shocked to find themselves in Hell one day and I'm offering my book The Terror of Hell the most potent book I've written for free and you can go to the article some of you wondering where the article is because I know you're listening on Spotify or whatever go to Burton dot TV and do a search and this is the title if you put in Bethel Church, I bet it comes up the date of this. Articles August 25th 2019. The title of this article is can Christians be lgbtq+. And then a question mark a Bethel Church controversy. That's the name of the or the title of the article search for it there to can't find it. Just go to my website Burton dot TV and contact me and I'll point you in the right direction. But if you search you should you should find it pretty easily so you can read through the article and there's a link to the free eBook The Terror of Hell encourage you URI has very short book. It's my shortest book very short. You'll read it in 30 minutes, but grab that book and I think it'll it'll it will rock you but it'll give you a kind of a an understanding as to why this kind of stuff is so intense for me. I believe that stuff like this does the opposite I think of what Bethel might I mean what Bethel is wanting is for people to fall in love with Jesus. I think it can actually cause them to follow Jesus in a Confused State and in an unsafe condition. So alright so leave some comments. If you can find a place to leave comments, you know, if you if you if you're reading this on my or listening to this rather on my Facebook page or on my website, I'm going to I'm going to embed this podcast right into the article that I wrote, but I want to hear from you. I really do. I hope you hear my heart. I hope you hear that. I don't want to be one of these mean-spirited, you know, heresy Hunters. That's just trying to attack. I want to honor but I also believe that we need to we need to get serious about this stuff because the age in which we are living is getting more and more severe and and I think we need prophetic messages to rise up and to speak into situations like this with honor with love with an in with fire in our eyes. Amen. All right. Talk to you next time. Thank you for listening to the furnace with John Burton. 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CHANGED, a ministry of Bethel Church in Redding, California, included the following statement in a post: God loves all people, LGBTQ+ and straight. The message of CHANGED has never been “All Must Change.” We share these stories specifically for Christians who are unfulfilled in identifying as LGBTQ+. For those of you who feel fulfilled and happy as you are, we love you! Of course, this was immediately troubling to me as it seemed as if Bethel Church was moving closer to the false-grace, hyper-love philosophy that is bewitching so much of the church today. However, I wanted to give them the benefit of the doubt. I don't believe it's appropriate to launch into attack mode, as many of today's “protectors of truth” tend to do. It's important to honor even when questions and controversies arise. I am believing that Bethel Church will bring clarity to a murky and concerning situation. Here's my response to their post: Oh no. Please, Bethel Church, PLEASE rethink this. Reconsider your wording. The following that you wrote is NOT GOOD. Did you possibly word it incorrectly? “We share these stories specifically for Christians who are unfulfilled in identifying as LGBTQ+. For those of you who feel fulfilled and happy as you are, we love you!” --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/thefurnace/message

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Well this season to me looks like for you a season where you are really growing into a new idea of who you are in the world and who you are in relationships relationships of all kinds are important right now, but particularly ways that you are in relationship with people where are advocating for your own empowerment you're advocating for your own value and you're really wanting to be in relationships that feel equal that feel mutual and reciprocal Sagittarius season begins on November 22nd and two days before on November 20th, Mercury will turn direct and as mercury turns direct it begins the third part of its retrograde cycle, which is called the shadow phase and this is this is when the planet appears to we cover we Traverse the area of the sky that it returned to in its retrograde mercury has been retrograde in the sign Scorpio in your solar 7th house Scorpios your opposite sign and this place in your chart is the opposite of your identity. That means it's always about other people. So how you are in relationships and again all relationships and relationships where you really are wanting to hold yourself. with equality and with empowerment is a main theme for this Mercury retrograde as mercury moves into its shadow phase and recovers this territory that it has returned back to this is a time when you may have a lot of insights of the Mercury retrograde where ways that you may have been kind of wrestling with different issues or if there have been miscommunications that have come up or needs for a deeper kind of pausing with issues now, You might start to experience some resolution of them when Mercury moves into Sagittarius on the 9th of December. It will enter a part of your chart that is still about relationships but is kind of the deeper subtext of them. So in this place the chart we have kind of insight into how you're operating in your more subconscious or subliminal awareness these You might think of this idea as like your emotional body and how your emotional body gets triggered gets hooked gets attached to gets excited by other people and by the spaces that you share in this part of the chart. We have a lot of information about what you do with intimacy and and how you are in vulnerabilities where maybe you might be depending on someone or someone might be depending on you and there feels like a sense of expectation or a desire to kind of come closer in a more energetic way. This part of the chart also has a lot to do with feelings of of debt or feeling like you might need to be you know, it's kind of the the unspoken feelings that can come up in relationships. So where we have obligation where we feel like we need to kind of show up in certain ways or See something in a certain way, but we're not talking about it on the surface. So as mercury comes into this part of the chart, there's a lot of support for you to start to expand your awareness of your subliminal messaging how you are in your energetic and emotional body in relationship with others and a big theme Here is value and again self-advocacy as well as openness, open-mindedness and receptivity to to what others are Bringing into the relationship. Now this place in the chart is also where the sun will be for Sagittarius season. This is your solar Eighth House that Sagittarius rules and as the sun comes into this part of your chart. It's also Illuminating these kinds of ideas. So over the course of the next month pay a lot of attention to how you are in your relationships in a more interior way. What kind of energy are you vibrating? What are your expectations? What are your assumptions? What are you Eating in to other people. How are you perceiving them? What kinds of judgments are you are you making from what you are perceiving. There's a lot of room for you to grow in this area of your life and big themes for Sagittarius have to do with how you process information and how you make meaning out of the information that you're processing and how open-minded you are how willing you are to kind of take a risk to open up to new ways of being and these our new ways of being in intimacy or invulnerability and intimacy and vulnerability can enter so many different kinds of relationships and so many different ways. So pay attention to these themes especially around the new moon on November 26. There's a new moon at three degrees of Sagittarius. The new moon is a great time to consider growth cycles and how you want to be setting your intentions for this part of your life. You can think of the new moon cycle as a month. Long cycle for the next couple of weeks in the growth cycle from New Moon to Full Moon setting intentions paying attention to what you're calling in in your more energetic resonances with other people and in the ways that you might want to clear your resonance or expand your resonance by working more consciously with insecurities by working more consciously with desire Again by being open minded. Ended being receptive Etc. This is also a time when you might think about setting intentions for the next year long cycle until 2020 is New Moon in Sagittarius. What do you wanting to build in this place of your life as we get to the full moon on December 11th, the full moon will light up your solar second house and illuminate the axis between the 2nd and the 8th houses. So I think of this axis really as an axis of value and I like to think first of all of your self-esteem, You mean the way that you're valuing yourself and then the way that your self-worth comes into play in your relationships money can definitely fit in money and resources can definitely fit in with the themes of these houses. So there may also be considerations for how you're working with money with resource with exchange with others. What I am kind of picking up on is the need for you to understand your value in a deeper way and to consider really kind of the the the big picture or the long-term intention that you have for what you're bringing to your life and the ways that you feel that you're uniquely contributing in your relationships and also in the world in general. It's really important for you right now to be able to sift through kind of the overwhelm of information that you might be getting from your relationships from the world around you and certainly from your own brain from your own mind and I To be able to sift through mental chatter and preoccupations and insecurities and emotional ties and find something that feels more what I want to say like spirit level or soul level about how you know yourself and what you know, you want to be bringing into your relationships and again into the World At Large some other things that are going on this month both of Venus and Jupiter will make their moves from the sign Sagittarius into the sign Capricorn. So Venus will Ingress Capricorn on November 25th. It will stay there until December 20th. Sagittarius will move into Capricorn on December 2nd and will stay there for a little over a year until December 20th of 2020 now Venus and Jupiter are leaving the part of your chart that I was just talking about this subtext in relationships intimacy is vulnerabilities places of important exchange. They're moving into your solar ninth house. This is the place in the chart where you're making Meaning out of your life in general. There's a lot of themes of vision and higher purpose in this part of your chart for anyone who's involved with high teachings with wisdom with knowledge. This could be an academic or formal institutional setting this might also be your own self growth path your work with teachers your work with your inner teacher. Now this part of your chart gets a big Boost from both of what are considered to be the The planetary benefics these are planets that bring loving expansive generous magnetic energy into whatever sign and house. They're traveling through so over the course of the next year. Remember you have Jupiter's influence in this part of your chart and this is a great time to expand your vision really to think outside of the box to think outside of the box of who you are what your relationships have been what your goals have been there's so much that you can open. Right. Now there's a lot that you want to experience and can experience and I want to say that Jupiter tends to open doorways for us. And sometimes we feel this as luck but luck or opportunity really respond to good-natured - so if you are, you know kind of doing your best to resonate from your heart to be generous with others to be sincere and to cultivate your own. Tuition and inspiration to to kind of get into your own Center Jupiter's energy is going to respond to that and magnify that mercury will also move into Sagittarius as I mentioned with the end of its retrograde on December 9th and during that time you're really supported to have conversations with intimate or important others to discuss kind of these more subliminal understandings that have been coming through with the retrograde. This is also a really good time to put your mind to Words balancing a budget or finances or kind of taking care of things that you might otherwise like sweep under the rug. I just mentioned some stuff with with money because that's something a lot of us tend to do but other kind of avoidance Tendencies could also really benefit from your attention between December 9th in the 29th when Mercury is moving through Sagittarius, finally on November 28th is the national day of mourning otherwise known as Thanksgiving Day in the United States. I'm encouraging all of my listeners to donate some money or time to indigenous LED organizations this year, especially around Thanksgiving an organization that I am supporting the Sierras the indigenous environmental Network. This is an amazing organization. It's fully indigenous lead, and they do really awesome work with the environment and with education. So please check them out at ien Earth dot-org. And if you want to know more about astrology this month become a subscriber, there's so much going on in terms of planetary aspects and lunar cycles. Learn more about Sagittarius by listening to the embodied astrology podcast for Sagittarius season tons to know there in terms of the embodiment of this amazing sign. Please share these horoscopes and podcast with your friends and Community. Thank you so much for listening. I'm wishing you all the best in Sagittarius season and Beyond bye for now.

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Hey guys, what's going on in today's episode? I had a really in-depth chat with Ravi Avila. Rob has just recently launched his fifth online business. And so we shared how he's been able to do this by Building Systems and processes that allow them to automate and delegate as much of the work as possible. So then he can focus on bigger picture ideas and spend time doing things. He loves. Let's jump into the interview and thanks again for tuning in so Robbie. Thanks for coming on the podcast. I think I discovered.Do you like we were talking white through your friend Jeff second year. He was a previous guest on the podcast. So for those that who are listening right now, I do you want to introduce yourself and tell us what you do? Yeah, of course now first of all, thank you so much for having me on here. One of my goals this year is to be getting on bigger and bigger stages bigger and bigger media presents and this definitely helps me towards that so I'm incredibly grateful for it. I hope you don't take it for Advantage. But yeah, so just A good friend of mine also one of my clients but essentially my name is rugged with Paula. I have a few different online businesses. One of our main one is a commission's on demand system where we teach real estate agents in North America how to get 30 to 50 books appointments with pre-qualified buyers and sellers every single week and that obviously leads to more closings and more deals. And I also have my personal brand coaching Consulting and on a very high level for some entrepreneurs I set up systems. Processes so they're allowed to essentially live the lifestyle. They want to live traveling the world, you know, a lot of people get into the online entrepreneurs space to because they want freedom and not have to work at 9:00 to 5:00 job. And then next thing they know they're spending 15 to 18 hours a day in a room working even harder for Less guaranteed money than they would for the 9 to 5. So, you know, that's a little pet project of mine is kind of pulling peoples head above the water. They're showing them what's actually possible showing them how to live the lifestyle that I think that's why I got into business in the first place. Nice. Yeah, let's kill. Yes. I'm sure we'll jump into some of the details of that but you only just first start on kind of your journey to where you are not I you know, did you just suddenly land in this whole online business space or you know, where you previously in that kind of 9 to 5 job before huh? Yeah, so I great question now, so it's actually pretty funny right? I had a conversation with somebody yesterday who shot her. Could put an application work with me. There's like oh, I got a masters in marketing. I was like, I don't have any degree in marketing man. If I told you my story that means absolutely zero to me but essentially to keep a very long story short whole life. I thought I was going to be a lawyer. You know, I saw suits on TV. I saw these different Law and Order and I thought this glamorous job you make a lot of money. That's what I want to do. So for absolutely zero reason whatsoever other than money I decided that's what I wanted to do and I put my my sights on that and And working every single day every action every move I did was dictated by me becoming a lawyer graduated from Florida state with honors and was taking a year off to start studying for the LSAT which in the United States is pretty much the law school admission test, and I wanted to get in one of the top 10 school. And so I was like, you know, I'll take a year off and focus on this and then I'll get into top 10 school and three days after I graduated from college. My dad was diagnosed with stage 3 lung cancer and he lives by himself. Elf and Atlanta Georgia, so I ended up kind of canceling all my plans moving in with him. And I I'm kind of a big headed guy. So I literally was like, well, I'm not going to stop studying so I pretty much every day for about 8 hours. I was studying for law school, but without the exact same time. I was driving my dad to and from chemo and radiation five days a week. So I was literally in the cancer unit study for law school in there are almost almost 10 months and To be transparent with you kind of keep this short. I just really realized after speaking to other lawyers and after seeing I mean, I don't want to get too sad here. But just seeing the age of some of the people in there and like you could just see it in their eyes. They said come out of nowhere and I can tell when I would literally would talk to some of these guys and Gary Vee talks about regret a lot of the times and I would talk to some of the people there and they would explain to me how you know, they kept on pushing stuff off. There was even a lawyer there got done saying I wanted to save up enough money so I could start living my life. And then this happens and it really debilitates you and so pretty much I was pretty scared to get out of the law school mindset of where I was going just because I had told everybody for 14 years that I was going to be a lawyer and that's what was expected of me. Right and I come from an Indian background and my dad and his family they all like either you be a lawyer or a doctor, right? And so essentially what happened was I took the test because I already put it about 8 months of work into it. I scored in the top ten percent of test takers in the United States. So I Have gone to one of the top 10 schools that I wanted to but after reading a fantastic book, it's called the subtle art of not giving a fuck after reading that book. I said, you know what I'm so afraid to tell other people that I don't want to do this that is literally ruining my life and I'm doing what other people want me to do. So I just woke up one morning walk downstairs and said Dad. I'm not going to be a lawyer and it's obviously that didn't go over too. Well with him. We're pretty much anybody else in my life and I started Googling online how to make money on. Online I found essentially Tai Lopez's course and I was working as SMA course and I was working as a waiter and Italian restaurant making less than fifteen hundred dollars a month while I was studying try to start my online business and you can imagine the look on a lot of my family's faces when you know, I was supposed to be going to you know, Chicago University College of Law School, like one of the top law schools in the nation and I dropped out to work in an Italian restaurant as a waiter. So who is a bit of a Jonah? Well, yeah, it was hard in the beginning. But I still you know, eventually when I started to get success people started coming around but I was joke around and talk to you know, I just was featured on Fox News a few weeks ago and I my aunt from she's from India called me to congratulate me. And then she said so when are you going back to law school? No, no want desire or need to get in this online space to be an online marketer or online entrepreneur, but very slowly started seeing people online. That's what I love about social media that people kind of don't talk about is that because I was able to see other people living those Lifestyles. I knew that it was attainable and I knew that I could do it myself and so I just put the work in and that's kind of how I got to where I am now. Yeah, and so he took the course by Tai Lopez and then I guess did you just you start a social media marketing in C or higher? That'll play identity where you are not yeah. So I took the course at supposed to be like, I don't know two-month course. I took it in about three days because I was I hadn't worked for a whole year. I was studying for law school and I was taking care of my dad. So I was like twelve thousand dollars in credit card debt since I graduated college, so I didn't work for a whole year. I was like, I gotta get money now so pretty much took the course and literally consumed it immediately and I love I think one of the biggest mistakes people take is not taking action immediately and I was like fuck it. So I I literally happened to be out at dinner with the girl. I was seeing at the time and nobody knew I was running a social media marketing agency right? Once again, I was so afraid about what other people were thinking that I didn't tell anybody what I was doing. They just thought I was a waiter and or they thought I was going to law school. And so I was having dinner with this young lady and her parents and her dad's a plastic surgeon and he's like, yeah, man, we're looking for someone to run our social media like we want someone to take care of it get us new leads have a suppressants out. There was like he was talking to Is his daughter and he said you know anybody that does that and I was like, oh I do that and he's like, oh you do and then the young lady I've been dating for four months was like you do. Yeah. I was like, yeah so literally walked in the next day because I don't know what their contracts I still remember the day. I was so nervous. I spent about eight hours a night before preparing everything doing a hot it I showed up there I started talking and he literally stopped me the motors, like look, I just believe you you seem like a good guy. Here's a check for $2,000 and I just stopped. Me in the middle of my presentation gave me a check for $2,000 and literally it was that moment that I knew I can make this a real thing. Like I can make this happen. This guy just paid me money like that and then it was tangible and so from in I literally quit my waiting job and I just went literally full force into to the online agency and that developed into lead generation and that developed into coaching and Consulting. Yeah until I don't get was this was this last year a few years ago or this was December of 2017 November December of 2017. So to a little over two years ago. Yeah, nice little uncertain. I you're one of your primary focus is on real estate lead generation. Yeah, I you know and all these online courses they tell you to stay away from real estate real estate agents for about a million different reasons, but for that exact same reason everyone stays away. I kind of figured well if I can figure it out, you know, that would be a huge opportunity has to me exactly so after much much much trial and error and I mean a lot of trial and error R we've really kind of hatched on a system here that is working better than anything else. I've seen out there. It's actually working so well now that I as a four months ago got my real estate license and I opened up a brokerage in the State of Florida and we run this exact same system and I had been doing for real estate agents for 14 months. I'm not running from my own Brokerage in the State of Florida as well. So we kind of put our money where our mouth is and literally we do it for other people we teach them how to do it. And then we also run it for ourselves. Yeah. I'm sure that's a good sound. In fact that you've had so much or seen so much success that actually you're convinced that at work enough to burn your own progress. It's definitely one of our unique selling propositions. Yeah people everyone's like well, you know, we get pitch this ten times a day. What makes you different and I'm going to say well how many of those marketers are real estate agents? And you said I hear crickets on the other end. So yeah, I definitely did it for multiple reasons. I say that yeah, and so he may be pricked on, you know exactly what it is you're doing so I guess in a nutshell real estate brokers or reagents, you know, they have houses that they need to sell and they want to find buyers is that yeah buyer's or seller's essentially like relatively some of the UK, but essentially what it is is these agents have been paying thousands of dollars a month is Zillow and Trulia and Redfin with almost no return on investment or they keep on having hidden fees or more charges or they don't have any control over it all and so what We must do is teach agents how to leverage YouTube ads Google ads and Facebook ads literally copy and paste funnels images and ads in order to generate the leads themselves. And then we teach them how to have those leads qualify through like an inner service agent. So essentially an assistant for literally dollars you can have each lead be qualified so that you're not picking up the phone and calling all the cold people. You actually having someone else do that for you warm them up and get them ready to know if they're either buying or selling a home and then they connect you with them in a book. At appointment so you're pretty much taking complete strangers to book appointments in your calendar pre-qualified through a system that's insanely easy to setup and very little maintenance on it. So we kind of figured it out Crack the Code and then in order to kind of bring it to more people. I developed this coaching program where we do six weeks twice a week coaching calls, and of course where I teach real estate agents and Brokers and team leaders how to actually do this for themselves. Yeah, and so touching on the point where you get them Via qualified lead, who is it that does the kind of warming up, you know calls in between before they are booked appointment and the diary so we teach them there's a handful of different Services out there that you can use we've used about 18 different ones between Automation and actually Outsourcing it and hiring your own virtual assistants. So we kind of know what works and what doesn't work. And so we show you people that you can pay, you know, a few dollars per lead to have it. The to have them qualify each lead for up to six months after they come in. We teach you how to find your own virtual assistants for $2 an hour train them how to do it, you know how to set up automation yourself. So we really usually give three different options. Here's the most expensive efficient. Here's a middle-of-the-road that that's that that's definitely doable but maybe not as efficient and then here's a cheapest result cheapest thing that you can do and still get results out of it. So we kind of give them an option because we know people's budgets very yeah. Yeah nice room. I think I was listening to Cast the other day and it was actually my friend Jeff that you mentioned. He was speaking about justly documenting different processes for businesses. And I think he mentioned a tool and then also, you know, just spoke to add a little bit on kind of high businesses should go bite it can you maybe would just touch on that and how do you highly think we'll process of Outsourcing a certain part of your business that It is obviously able to be outsourced. Yeah now so that's a fantastic question. So the reason you know, I just this like I told you last week I launched my fifth business. And the reason I had the how unable to launch Five businesses in two years. They're all playing into each other is because I love work less than four hours every week. And I know it's cliche but in my business I could work more I can work less if I want to but I've set up my life that way through systems and processes. I was lucky enough to be around some really great people and read some really fantastic books. I kind of touched on it a little bit about the difference between the the typical entrepreneur who is working 12-hour days doing every single thing themselves has nothing documented and is pretty much when you add up how much money they make at the end of the year divided by how many hours or putting in there usually making less than minimum wage and I knew that's not how I wanted to do it and I knew in 2019 you can leverage currency power. So like one like where I am right now managing Columbia. One u.s. Dollars three thousand Colombian pesos. So how to leverage workers and people in different countries where you can pay very little US Dollars and get an insane amount of work from people that are on pesos rupees as a really great saying I love it says life is amazing when you get paid in dollars you compensate your team and rupees and you live on pesos and that's literally a kind of a lifestyle that I live on right now. But essentially the idea behind it is that everyone thinks that they have this complicated. Unique proprietary system and I get it. We have a pretty proprietary system for a real estate agents, but people the missing people think is there's no way this can be systemize. There's no way this can be documented these changes every single time when in reality what we've seen by going through 43 different entrepreneurs showing them how to do it is that I really can be documented and you just need to kind of know how to do it and not only can it be documented but more often than not now what happens is like when I sat down with Jeff Jeff was kind of saying the same stuff when I sat down with Jeff it was like we realize where the inefficiencies were in his process and in his program and it is lead generation and it is Consulting we realize where he was actually wasting time and when you have to sit down and type something out on how you're doing something you you force yourself to realize the in efficiencies that you're doing and it and how you can kind of change it and that's literally exactly what we did down here. And so we figured out where he was spending most of his time that wasn't revenue-generating and what we did was we documented it. There's I think the program you're talking about is called Asana. Day, that's a fantastic website. It's free. You can pretty much create a checklist for your team to do on there. And what you can do is, you know, we find virtual sessions for a dollar fifty two dollars an hour to do this. That's what I did for Jeff. But pretty much what you're doing is creating a to-do list on that certain, you know task or objects the whether it's daily or whether it triggers when something else happens, and then now you just create an sop once a standard operating procedure and you never have to worry about it again, so that's really where I'm at in my business right now. Now and it's honestly once you get there, I had this conversation with Jeff yesterday. Once you get there in your business, if you literally can't beat it because any time you have an issue or a problem or something arise all it takes is about a three minute process to create a center operating procedure on how to handle that and then you can delegate that to the rest of your team and you never have to worry about that again and one of the reasons I said in the beginning that I think a tribute to some of the success I've had is that I take immediate action on things that I think are good for me and I'm able to take immediate action because you either a I have my team doing 90 percent of the work of what I do on a day-to-day week-to-week month-to-month basis. So I have a lot of free time. So when I see a good idea I can jump right into it or be if I hear a good idea and it's you know something that I'm like, oh I can create an sop for I'll create an sop forward and then my team can start doing it the next day and then I'm actually doing it quote unquote. But really I'm Outsourcing. It's my team. Yeah, and I think that's that's so valuable and I think for me that's something I know that I need to get better out even just then even just in day-to-day life, but mainly with this podcast, you know, I think something I picked up on an earlier guests as well was like you say I'd sourcing, you know the editing piece and just getting someone else to do that. So it frees up your own time to focus on different areas and like say jump into different ideas. Yeah, I mean what? So the editing these are doing is that driving your bottom line board? Like is that bringing you new guest on your podcast? Are you helping your audience reach more people during that time? Probably not. You're probably sitting there just having to edit something that while it may be a little complex. I can almost guarantee. You can find somebody and you know Bangladesh Pakistan India, the Philippines were ever for a few dollars to do that. And so I know you run a really successful podcast. I'll check it out myself, you know, your time has to be worth more than that. Yeah. And I know that it's super hard. Yeah, super hard to do it. Right? I literally the reason Jeff did it and the reason why most people do that work with me is because there has to be enough pain for you to do it and that usually comes when you pay so when somebody pays me a good bit of money for us to do that for them. We're now they're invested and now they have to make it happen. But if it's the pain is not there enough, right? So for you editing these videos like yeah, you know, you should change it, but maybe it's not hurting you enough for your day-to-day life. So you don't actually do it. So you have to think when is the pain going to be enough for you to actually say, you know, what enough is enough? Let me start. In a life, I need a live. Let me start free not the time to do the stuff that I want to do instead of spending it on just super mundane tasks like editing you're exactly right so prior to the episode. I think it was with another podcaster. He kind of revealed to me exactly what you said there, you know prior to that episode. I was doing all the editing on the podcast and doing all the essentially and he just pointed me in the direction of va's in the in the Philippines. And so that's exactly What I've done I've hired someone and he's able to you know, do that and obviously you pay them. But like you say it just frees you up to, you know, focus on on a sense of yeah, revenue-generating activities and finding, you know other people to come on the podcast and more important things like that. Yeah or living your life right now or doing something. You know, it's not all it doesn't all have to be business, right? Everyone's like oh, well, I don't really want more money. But well, you know, there's three things. I've learned people want in life time Freedom location Freedom or Financial Freedom. Right? And so the biggest one for me is probably time freedom. I want to wake up every single day and choose what I want to do and when I don't want to do but if I have you know, we have over eighty three clients right now. If I didn't have my virtual assistants here my team here my account managers, I would be you would never see me I wouldn't be on this podcast. Yeah, right, but As I have the systems in place and I have an amazing team that works with me were able to do what we want to do. And that's literally what I teach real estate agents as well right how to get virtual assistants to call expired listings for sale by owners listings. You know, how have them do the qualification process, etc, etc. So it doesn't matter what business you're in and it doesn't matter if you think you need it or you don't need it for a dollar fifty two dollars an hour. I guarantee you money back guarantee. There's something in your life that these people can be doing for you that will save up your time to allow. To either a make more money or be do more things that you love totally totally agree. Is there anything in your life that isn't move even strictly business that you have I'd sourced or documented as a process. Oh, yeah, I mean we do pretty much almost anything that I do that I can Outsource I do to be honest with you. But you know, I've had I've had my dinner reservations lunch reservations Airbnb travel flight reservations. What else have we had? I haven't personally done it, but I'll tell you I know somebody that has their tender being taken care of by virtual assistant, you know online dating being take care of by your presence today sendings. I have the other day. My mom's birthday happy birthday Mom. And she I guess she might not know this but I had you know, we're pretty slim down here right now. Like I said, I'm watching it business. And so I had my virtual assistant my team go and find a bike for her on Facebook Marketplace in our local area. Then negotiate the price of that bike down 30% and then pay that person over PayPal for that bike and I had my friend pick it up and drop it off my mom. So, you know, it's literally anything that comes up that I'm just like Like I could do this, but my time is better spent doing this or instead. I want to go on a helicopter ride or go atving or whatever. It is. I can just have them do it and they are insanely efficient. I've heard horror stories about virtual assistants, but if you know where to find them and you know how to train them. I have a complete and total faith in mind. So it's literally people stop fairies. I'm thing to thing. I've had people do research reports form school reports for him. Like it doesn't if you can do it yourself and you don't have some kind of advanced amazing training then You can most likely do it and even if you do have it in some Advanced amazing training like we run Facebook ads and I've taught my team how to do the Facebook ads part of it. So they're literally these virtual assistant even though they're a dollar fifty to fifty an hour. They have learning capabilities just like anybody else and to be just transparent with you. There's some of my best employees or some of the hardest-working and the most diligent ones that I have and so they don't know how to do something. They don't bother me. They go figure out how to do it and then they saw the ball game and I think something that is, you know, some people might hear this and think that you're Spin them off but actually I think you know for them firstly it's potentially a good weeds. And secondly, like I said there you're actually teaching them, you know, very valuable and highly, you know, marketable skills that they can move on, you know, if the relationship between you and them ceases to exist like they have those skills that they can, you know move on you've developed them and they can continue to to work, you know, effectively and potentially for more money. Yeah, that's a I'm so happy brother died. Now that's literally a fantastic one because I've heard that a few times. I mean first of all say that like, you know, I can't please everybody right? So, you know people are going to be upset that I'm doing this and that's good for them. I wish them the best success in life, but I will tell you this every single virtual assistant that we get and that we train comes from yesterday. We had interview with one they came from Chase American Express AT&T Xbox. You literally name it if it's a large National Amazon you learned your name? It's a large multinational corporation. I almost guarantee you that they have call centers and the Philippines and they're doing the exact same thing. The difference is this number one they pay less than we do. So I know you think into dollars an hour is a little well these companies pay less than two dollars an hour. Number two. I've actually had a few of the people that we've had come over the reason why they left that company is because they didn't make enough phone calls that week and so they didn't that company multibillion-dollar company didn't pay them for that week's work. Because I didn't hit enough calls from yeah, there's like ten calls below what they need to spend more cup and number three just like it is and number three just like anybody else. They want to work just the whole same reason you and I got in the business we want to do they want to work from their home. They want to be there with their kids their partner whatever it is and so almost almost every single time even if they're taking 50 cents to a dollar pay cut they'd rather do it because they can work from home and live at home and take care of everything at home. They don't they have traffic over there. They have problems going to the office the same thing as we do every year. And where you are in the UK and so you're helping them avoid all of that and on top of it just take care of them. Right one of my as assistants. It was her son's birthday last Friday, you know, we gave her a significant bonus because she's a single mom for both her and her son to have a fantastic Friday. They took off for days they went traveling and so just take care of them and they'll take care of you. I honestly don't think that maybe this is me being cocky, but I see my team and talk to them every single day. I honestly don't think if somebody came in and offered them three four dollars more an hour. I don't think they take it because You know, we have cultivated such a fantastic environment at work environment there and I actually care about them and I know my other clients that we work with Caleb out there. So I'll people that say that I just don't think that the it's like the same people that told me that Columbia was the most dangerous city and then I'm going to get kidnapped over here. It's usually people that say stuff like that. I've usually never experienced the thing that they're talking about. Yeah, and so I wanted to touch on we talk to me that if either there but how do you go about actually documenting these processes? Is it really just a case of You know thinking through exactly what you do, you know writing up a bullet point list of here's the first step here is the second or do you record it or what do you do? So what we usually tell people when they sign on board is look for the next seven days. You're going to write down every single thing you do all day long every day for the next seven hours and usually they do it, you know, they pay a good bit of money. Usually they get it done but it's incredibly important to ask because what you realize is that usually Realize how much time you're spending on shit. That doesn't really matter. Right how much time you're spending on stuff that doesn't move the needle forward or that it's just mundane or that you could easily Outsource. And so we look at that after seven days. We figure out what are you spending? A lot of time on that? You shouldn't be spending in time on what do you wish you could be doing but you can't do cause you're spending time on other stuff like this. And then once we started figure out what we need to pay attention to and then literally it's just as easy as like just on a sauna I tell them to pull up a new sheet and number one. It's best to really write it on a piece of paper because it forces you to be concise and it forces you don't want to write 10 pages out. So you write on a piece of paper. Hey, this is what I want to do. I want you to friend request 10 people every day from these Facebook groups. And so what you do is I type out an exact procedure number one go to facebook.com number to type in this name in the search bar. Number three join all these different groups number for once your join go in there and friend request 10 people every day from each of these groups. And once I have it written out all the way down and checklist. I then use a screen recording software called. Hello, I am and we actually go through the checklist and I say hey in this video today. I'm going to show you how we're going to add friends on Facebook groups. Number one you type in facebook.com and then I show my screen me timing facebook.com. I click the check mark off and I just go down the entire list and I just literally check the thing off and I act like I'm them doing it. And so it's twofold number one. They can see it just in the right you broke up Louis with their rewind like 10 seconds essentially once we have it all written down. I Of them actually afford it. I recorded myself or I have the client record it where you can actually go through the checklist and do exactly what you have the checklist and you act like you're them pretty much and you literally go through and make sure everything looks good and you record it all and so by the time you're done with it you put that with the checklist and your virtual assistants or your this could work. I have multinational corporations multi-million dollar companies do the exact same thing. I've worked with them before for their employees. They pay 80 grand a year for it doesn't matter the concepts the same and essentially you give them both written instructions and a You instruction how to do everything for you and then you just give it to them and then you never have to worry about that ever again, you know in case there's a hiccup but you usually never have to worry about that certain tasks ever again. And so you can move on to the next thing totally it makes so much sense when you spell it like that on a think, you know, obviously many online entrepreneurs and businesses could definitely I'm sure systemizing and you know, right up the processes that they're doing that just aren't Mentor that could definitely be outsourced. Yeah, they don't right. Yeah, a lot of people should be doing a lot of things right I shouldn't have eaten a doughnut for breakfast this morning. But essentially you should everyone knows what they should do. But like I said before usually the pain point isn't there so usually there takes them paying money or enough pain to hit them from them missing out on their kids birthdays or missing out on family vacations or be not being able to travel the world and keep putting stuff off and off and so you can do it one of two ways, right so you can find somebody like a A staffing agency or like something that we do where someone can train you and you can avoid all the hiccups or the missteps or you can do it yourself, which is also if it's either not doing it at all or doing it yourself. I would recommend doing it yourself and it's not that difficult and even if like worst-case scenario, right? Even if you don't hire somebody yet create your business out in an sop figure out what your service system are offering that you're doing and create a little document for it because this is the other benefit of it that people don't realize In order to scale right to get where we are based on where we were 18 months ago is because 18 months ago. My mentor told me look you can't be keep on offering dentists chiropractors real estate agents doctors restaurants and custom packages for every one of them. You choose one service one offering one system one Niche and you scale that up and that's literally what I did. So a lot of the times when we're working with some of these clients or trying to systemize your stuff. They reason they think they can't system. It is because they don't have a business. They're pretty much a body for hire. Literally. Someone says hey, can you do this for me? Can you do website design like yeah. The guy says hey, can you do graphic creation? Like yeah and you're just hopping back and forth doing a million different things when in reality, the real secrets of scaling is having one service one offer one products and offering that a million times over again, and that's how not only you increase your margins. You become the expert in it, but you also remove yourself from the business because you know the other day to be transparent with you I was I woke up in the morning and I got a call that I didn't love and it kind of put me in a funk and I really didn't feel like working that day. So I went up to the pool and I listen to some Tony Robbins and I laid there all day and my system worked completely fine. We signed on to new people to our business. We had a customer complaint that my team handled and everything was all good. And I literally got to take a day off. No problem. The needle was being moved forward and I know just too many entrepreneurs who if they were something were to happen to them. God forbid to them their wife their kids their husband, whatever it is. Whole business will come screeching to a halt and at that point you don't have a business. You have a job, right? I'm gonna resent and so do you have UNC got a team on the some of them are with you but are some of them firstly how many of them are there on secondly, are they all be honest with you? So we have six virtual assistants and then I have an account manager that space the United States and I have sales people that are based in North America and pretty much there. None of them are based with me. I travel quite a bit. Like I said, I'm in Medellin Colombia right now. I'm going to about five different cities on a little bit of a speaking tour and snowboarding tour if you will in the next few weeks and so none of them are really based with me and I want it that way. I want people to be able to work in their home doesn't matter to me as long as they show up they produce results. I could care less right? I'm not going to ask you to sit in an office all day long. I'm just happier Globe shouting right? So as long as I can produce results and whatever the time frame it is that's fantastic for me. But yeah, we don't have anybody in house where I run a very very mean and lean business and then sense of if I don't see you or your contributions moving our bottom-line forward then unfortunately, we just let you go. So everyone that we have is a top producing person and what they do in our company is directly measured to either client retention or Creation nice. Oh, so you mentioned earlier about like, you know, you had a mentor Buck maybe 18 months ago. Do you still have kind of people who you know you pay to for them to kind of consult with you or do you have mentors or what is it? What does that look like for you? Yeah, you know, ironically enough the mentor that I had 18 months ago. We're pretty much what used to be me paying him $1,000 for an hour of his time every time now him and I are very close on. Similar levels so, you know the saying is like work until your mentors or Your Heroes become your friends or whatever however it goes and so that's literally what happened to me and we both add value to each other's lives. But I still do you know, I'm still constantly I'm speaking with somebody right now who's I won't name names but huge and the real estate game online marketing game and so I'm in kind of communications with him to just kind of pick his brain back and forth is really hard to get a hold of them. Once again. I created a system port for my team to do it, but get a hold of Of him and start working with them. But yeah, a lot of the mistakes I've see and actually ironically enough now I put a video up on this on my Facebook and my Instagram today but a lot of mistakes I see is people are afraid to invest money and in themselves and either in a mentor or a coaching program, whatever it is and back in the beginning if I told you that kind of mine that plastic surgeon that I got for $2,000 a month was my only client for 6 months and the first six months of my business my old house. We get two thousand dollars a month for six months in this business and Absolutely hated it and it wasn't until I found this agency mentor and paid him $10,000 and the next month I made $15,000 and so it literally was pretty much a switch was flipped and I realized I was doing all wrong, but I could have I would not be speaking. I could still be doing two thousand dollars a month for all I know and so I would have consistently realized is every single month when my you know, the number my bottom line rhyme IMX card, whatever I get the bill whatever that increases every single month almost. Always 90% of the time I see a corresponding increase the amount of money I make as well and so people always afraid to spend money, right? I think that's a huge disadvantage. Right? The people are just so afraid that what if I don't get my money back whatever it is and that's just a scarcity mindset where my mind if it makes sense. I've done the calculator risk. I don't think about it too much like, you know worst thing worse comes to worse. I don't make any money off this I lose some money off of this but there's enough money out there to go around. There's no shortage of money in the world. So I know that I have the skills. The capability and the drive to make that money back and I did I spent $18,000 last year on e-commerce training coaching and programs and AD spend because I wanted it to work so fuck, you know badly and none of it ever worked. I lost all of my money. I lost over 18,000 dollars last year on e-commerce training and you know, I just wrote it off as all right. Well, whatever I tried to do and I promise you I'll never try to do e Compton but you know, it was a lesson learned and and to be honest with you because I paid that I got really close to another gentleman. Woman who's one of the top real estate agents and Phoenix Arizona through that mentorship at that. I paid that I didn't really get anything out of it. And that's what I got out of it and him and I are very close and he sent me hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of new business and clients and homes sold. And so, you know people don't realize is that usually what you're doing. There's not really a wrong move. There's not literally going to be a mistake that can be made whatever you did it'll kind of reveal the benefit of it. The Silver Lining will reveal itself to you and the right time. Yeah. So yeah, just touching on that point about invest in yourself. I think that's came up over the past couple of episodes in the interviews that I've had with people. What would you say to someone who is totally unfamiliar with that concept of of investing in themselves, you know, what would you say to them in terms of starting out, you know in investing in a mentor or coach or whatever it is, but would you go them obviously depends what they're interested in. But what would you say to them? Yeah, that's a great question now, so essentially what we always tell people right? So the number will be the Warren Buffett said this the greatest investment you can make is in yourself right? Not in real estate not in, you know stocks not in bonds, whatever it is, but in yourself your personal brand because that's something you keep with you forever, and no one can take that away. And so I used to be looking at other people. I didn't really believe I thought like, you know personal development books were in mumbo jumbo and nobody you can really learn anything from them. But I mean I told you earlier on Millard of not giving a fuck. I mean that literally I remembered significantly that was the turning point in my life when I realized that I was carrying way too much about what other people thought of me and I was literally about to go $250,000 in debt and even worse three years of my life towards something that I didn't even want to do just because my family and my friends and Society told me it was the right thing to do. So a luckily I invested in a $14 book that told me to ask so what I always tell people is the order is like this books. You know, you're just starting out read X doesn't even have to be in the industry or the segment that you want to be in just read personal development books, you know Think and Grow Rich that 10 or Habits of Highly Effective People How to Win Friends and Influence People the subtle art of not giving a fuck whatever it is. Those are some fantastic ones to kind of get your mind dip your toe in the personal development water if you will and then you know, the next step at least for me was buying a course started realizing. Okay. Let me see some actual online training. Let me take some videos. Let me get in a Facebook group where people who paid money and there are similar You know areas that me and then after the course would come, you know, like a group coaching where I'm a surrounded by a bunch of other people trying to do the exact same thing. It's a little more expensive but I've made money along the way and I see the value in it and then finally the next stage final kind of stage would be masterminds / one-on-one mentoring right where it's like hey, I've this person and this is what I'll say as a caveat to all of that be very careful who you let it influence your life II see I made this mistake in the beginning I was Taking advice from six different people and I was paying them to tell me these six different things and it was dragging me all around and I didn't really know which one to listen to and I was trying at all and I wasn't really getting success on any of them. So I always say when you get to the point of finding mentors going to Mastermind, etc, etc. If that person that you're looking at that you want to pay money to if they are not exactly where you want to be if they are literally not living the life 100% in that area that you want to be in do not pay them a dime and make sure they prove it to you right make sure that Shadow because unfortunately a lot of figures out there but they're not where you want to be then don't pay them money and I've made that decision at the beginning of last year and I said, you know what this person is literally not exactly where I want to be. I'm not going to pay them not only any money but I'm not going to pay them any attention and that is really why I saw my business Skyrocket was when I closed out the other influences, so definitely start books courses group coaching and the one-on-one mentorship, but make sure that make sure that its leading towards exactly where you want to be and not somebody else's agenda nicely. Where do you get your best ideas when I get my best ideas is typically when I meditate in the morning, right? So I meditate for 20 minutes every day. And I usually keep my notebook right next to me and I have ideas that kind of pop up in it and I try to hold on to them because I don't open my eyes, but I hold on to them until the very end and then I just jotted quickly down in my journal and then luckily because of the systems and process I have I kind of have the freedom to pursue that the rest of the day from what It's the most useful product or service that you've bought and 2019 under $100. I bought it every single year but zapier reiji a PID are so online automation software. It's like $35 a month and you can pretty much automate everything. I'm sure you know what it is. But anybody listening back home, it's like if something happens in your life or your business and Trigger something else to happen. And so if you're running an online business or any kind of business, there's a lot of mundane tasks that you you're probably doing on a day-to-day basis that you can honestly Outsource or automate is a number one. Is automate then delegate and so literally I have at the Enterprise level because we have like 300 different zaps though. We 300 different programs that are running the same time. That means that we don't have to do anything and that's like $35 a month. So I mean I highly recommend them nicely and finally any strange passions or hobbies that we might not know but from following your social media. Not really. I try to be myself as often as I can on social media a little piece. Probably a lot of people don't know is I absolutely loved my time alone. I mean if I had to choose between going out with a bunch of people hanging out with a bunch of people who are staying inside and reading or just like being by myself. I'll always spend time by myself. I think a lot of people are super afraid to be alone. I think they're afraid of what they're thinking of and what if they don't like what they hear and I was in the beginning as well. I was kind of afraid of what my own thoughts were going to leave me. And I decided instead of going out with my friends and drinking kind of masking that to kind of dominated and tackle it and try to get peace with myself. So a lot of people don't realize it because I'm a super like outgoing energetic and passionate person. But to be honest with you, I absolutely love going to bed at 9:30 10 o'clock every night by myself and waking up early in the morning and spending those hours is all by myself. So yeah, that's been that's been super valuable. Definitely for me and I'm sure for every one that listens. Has ended up all cast especially around the whole kind of systemizing and on automating, you know, not only your business but, you know certain aspects of your life so thankfully for jumping on and tell them to me. Yeah, now II listen man. I appreciate you even reaching out to me in the first place. I think I absolutely love podcasts if I had the time or the drive. I would try to create one of myself. I know based on my friends that do and how much work goes into it, and I've listened to some of the other ones you've done. I'll talk to Jeff about it as well. And I know not only do you have a great following but you continue to put out great content. So I just wanna let you know, I'm incredibly grateful for the opportunity of you having me on here man. Let me speak to your audience - thanks again.

"I work 4 hours a week for my business; I set up my life that way through systems and processes" In this episode, Niall gets a glimpse into the life and businesses of real estate lead generation specialist, Ravi Abuvala. Ravi shares how he started out in the online business space, and goes deep into some of the processes and systems he's been able to set up to now successfully run 5 businesses in his name. For anyone starting out as an online entrepreneur, real estate agent, or digital marketer, this episode cannot be missed! Books mentioned: "The Subtle Art of Not Giving a F*ck: A Counterintuitive Approach to Living a Good Life" by Mark Manson - https://amzn.to/2Eqpn94 Find Ravi Abuvala here: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/raviabuvala/?hl=en LinkedIn:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/raviabuvala  ____________________ Welcome to the Young Professional Podcast - my name is Niall Lawther and I’m hugely passionate about business and entrepreneurship. I started this podcast because I wanted to connect with and learn from successful entrepreneurs and business owners, and share their stories and insights. I hope these episodes allow you to learn, grow and level up in your life! Thanks for listening - please consider subscribing and leave a review, it'll make my day!

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Hope your week is off to a great start and welcome to the podcast where I simply read blogs to you for free like a gigantic ongoing audio book with many different authors. Today's post being from the super popular minimalism author Joshua Becker and I'll keep this in turn nice and short for you. So let's get right. Right to it as we optimize your life. minimalism seven reasons that keep people from getting started by Joshua Becker of becoming minimalist.com Over the past several years. I've had the privilege to introduce the idea of minimalism to a number of people these introductions have occurred through personal conversation writing and speaking opportunities. But no matter how the introduction happens each time. I feel a little bit renewed the idea of finding more Life by owning less stuff resonates with most people but unfortunately also find that for many. This is where their Journey ends at the introduction daddy of minimalism may sound attractive, but the Step appears Elusive and is too often never taken. There are a wide number of reasons that keep people from taking this first step toward living with less and while they vary from person to person based on personality history gender man worldview. I have found that most of the reasons keeping people from getting started towards minimalism fit into only a handful of categories in hopes of providing encouragement to some of you I thought it might be helpful to take a minute to answer most of them. Reason, I've never considered intentionally living with less minimalism is growing. You can blame it on the economy technology environmental awareness or blog such as Zen habits Rowdy kittens and be more or less. It has been exciting to see the movement grow, but the percentages are still small and the land of Suburbia where I live the idea of intentionally living with less. It's still a foreign concept heart's desire it but too many Minds have yet to be introduced. Solution if you ended up hearing this post at the urging of a friend consider yourself introduced intentionally living with less results in a life of less debt less stress and less anxiety and exchange you'll discover more time and energy for the things you value most your greatest passions will again take their rightful place in your life reason, but I don't know where to start for many the task of minimizing their possessions seems overwhelming their minds race. Two drawers that don't clothes closets that don't shut and rooms that are stuffed full of unused things the idea of decluttering their homes and lives is attractive even necessary, but the simple Obstacle of knowing where to start keeps many from even starting at all solution start small and start easy find the easiest drawer closet or room to declutter and begin their you don't need to start with your a deck or your basement. In fact, you probably shouldn't the task will be to great. Edge is the easiest place in your home. Even if it's just one drawer, you'll feel good. When you are done, I guarantee it and that feeling of success in relief will carry you on to the next step and the next and the next and eventually even the attic reason but I don't have the time minimizing possessions takes time. You didn't collect everything in your home over the course of one weekend. It is going to take longer than one weekend is sort it out and remove the non-essentials, but we live such busy lives. Lives these days. Where can we find the time to accomplish such a large task solution. If you can find 15 minutes, you can take the most important step the first one investing just 15 to 20 minutes to minimize one area of your home is all you need to get started, especially if you have chosen something easy. Again, the immediate sense of calm you will find in owning less will motivate you to find another 15 minutes. If you struggle to even find 15 minutes try one of these ideas get up one hour early to One afternoon off work turn off the television or dedicate one Saturday to decluttering. Any one of those options will help you find more than enough time to get started reason, but I can never get my family on board by far the most common question. I receive after speaking about minimalism relates to other family members, especially about husbands and teenagers the fact that their family members will never go for the idea of living with less seems to outweigh any benefits of implementing it in their own lives encouragement. Ain't your husband or wife or children does not need to fully embrace the idea of minimalism for you to benefit from it. Remember? It is far easier to notice the Clutter of others than it is to notice our own but if you just decide to start with your own personal belongings, you will notice a huge difference. You will almost immediately find more time in your life for the things that matter most even if your kids bedroom is still messy in the more you begin to experience freedom in your life. The more your family members will start to take notice. Ask my wife reason but I don't know what I'd do with blank another common thought process I've noticed is that people's minds often rush to their toughest belongings to minimize these vary from person to person but typically resemble sentimental items books more Hobbies over the years. They've collected a large number of items in these particular areas and the thought of having to part with them raises concern and often stops them from ever taking the first step solution. You don't have to part with any anything until you are ready and you certainly don't have to begin by removing the things that mean the most to you if you are anything like we were you have a whole house or at least a Clothes Closet full of things that don't mean anything to you. They're just taking up space in your home and life. They don't fit match or work anymore. They can easily be removed start there. And remember that there is no time limit on this journey. If you are not ready to part with the memories of your past today, don't worry about it. Maybe you'll be Tomorrow or the day after that reason but I'm afraid of change got it change doesn't come easy to you and intentionally deciding to live with lies is among the biggest of changes that you can make in your life. It is a countercultural way to live life after being fed millions of advertisements from the world around us promising that more is better deciding to reject that thinking and live with less is going to require changes not just in the home where you live, but in almost every aspect of your life going forward. Solution change is never easy. And even though it is inevitable to this journey of life. We seem to avoid it whenever possible but change comes easier when we realize the rationale behind it. The reasoning provides us with necessary motivation to make the needed changes when we started out on our minimalist journey. I listed every benefit of minimalism that we were experiencing the rationale the reminder of why we were changing our lifestyle pushed us further down the road over and over again. Perhaps it will provide the necessary foundation for you to embrace change in your life as well reason, but minimalism doesn't sound attractive to me still for others. They will never take their first step towards minimalism because the lifestyle does not sound attractive to them. They find no appeal in the idea of intentionally living with less and believe that they want nothing to do with it solution. I embrace the idea of minimalism because it became apparent to me that the stuff in my life was keeping me from the most important thing. As in my life Faith family and friends and since removing most of the personal possessions from my life. I found more freedom energy and finances to pursue the relationships that mean the most to me and that applies to this relationship as well. May our differing views on possessions never come between us as friends. You just listen to The Post titled minimalism seven reasons that keep people from getting started by Joshua Becker of becoming minimalist.com a real quick. Thanks to anchor for hosting this podcast. Anchor is the easiest way to make a podcast. They'll distribute your podcast for you. 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Joshua Becker of Becoming Minimalist shares 7 reasons that keep people from getting started with minimalism. Episode 1242: Minimalism: 7 Reasons that Keep People From Getting Started by Joshua Becker of Becoming Minimalist Joshua Becker and his family decided to live with fewer possessions after a conversation with his neighbor in 2008. As a result, they found a better way to live, centered on more important pursuits. Their story has been seen on the CBS Evening News, NPR, the Boston Globe, the Wall Street Journal and countless media interviews around the world. Their books have sold in the tens of thousands. BecomingMinimalist.com is about their journey towards a rational approach to minimalism. It is about the joys and the struggles. It is about the lessons they have learned. It has inspired millions around the world. It is written to inspire you to intentionally live with less, and find more life because of it. The original post is located here: https://www.becomingminimalist.com/encouragement-for-your-first-step-towards-living-with-less/ Please Rate & Review the Show! Facebook Group and Join the Ol' Family to get your Free Gifts!

I'm Alec lace. Welcome to First Class fatherhood. Welcome everybody to episode 231 of the podcast. I am happy as always to be here with you. Thank you for stopping by. If this is your first time listening to the podcast. Please get over there and bang that subscribe button. You do not want to miss all the action that is coming your way right here first class fatherhood. All right dad's it's time for another frog man Friday edition of first-class. Fatherhood joining me. Today is former Navy SEAL and entrepreneur Troy molesky. I am very excited to have Troy with me here today. So please stick around. For the interview and today will be my last episode for a while here is I shut it down to enjoy some summertime fun with the family. Please. Be sure to follow me over on Instagram at Alec underscore lace and on Twitter at Alan glaze for all the updates on upcoming guests and announcements. There are plenty of interviews available in the archives. So if you haven't yet had the chance to listen to All 231 episodes of the podcast now would be a good time for you to catch up. I cannot say thank you enough for all of the support from you listeners out there and has been very overwhelming to say the Least it has been an honor for me to share the celebration of fatherhood and family life with you. There is a fatherless crisis in our country. I put up a post on Facebook yesterday regarding some of the statistics as far as from 2017. There were nineteen point seven million children living in a home without a father figure and that is a disaster something needs to be done to lower that number. I'm doing what I can here to kind of shine the spotlight on fatherhood and try to change that negative outlook that so many young men have on fatherhood and family life. I understand that being Dad is not easy. I understand that it requires sacrifice, but I also understand just how awesome and rewarding it is and it is by far the greatest thing that has ever happened in my life and I am not asking anybody to take my word for it. I'd like to ask you to take the word of so many of the men that I've been honored to have on the podcast with me here. I truly believe that if the number of children growing up without a father figure which start to decrease so would the crime rate the teenage pregnancy rate the poverty rate and overtime society would benefit greatly all the way around as a Holt so if you know a dad in your life, please introduce them to this podcast and help me spread the message that fatherhood rocks Family Values Rule and every day is Father's Day right here with me and I'm going to jump into the action right now would form a Navy SEAL Troy molesky. I'm Ali lace and you're listening to First Class fatherhood. Thank you for listening to First Class fatherhood. You were going to hear a word from my sponsors in the middle of today's interview. If you would like to consider becoming a sponsor of first-class fatherhood. Please hit me up with an email first class fatherhood at gmail.com. All right, and joining me now is a first-class father. He is a combat veteran who served with the elite United States Navy SEAL Teams. He is also an entrepreneur it is a big honor for me to say Troy molesky. Welcome to First Class fatherhood. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. All right. Let's start right here. How many kids do you have? And how old are they? I have three of my own kids and then we actually adopted two of our nieces. So we range from range from 18 years. Hold down to just turn one. Wow. Okay, that's a full boat there. What type of sports or activities is everybody into everybody. We just moved to Denver, Colorado. So everybody's into skiing as first year. We all got out there on the mound together. So it's great kids are also in the soccer gymnastics there in in a whole slew of sports right now. Very cool. Now do you get involved with coaching at all? If you like to enjoy all that from the sidelines I have evolved. Tiered did a lot of the coaching for my son played baseball. I got in coaching soccer tried to actually take a few seasons off but kind of always give rope back into it. Yeah, I hear you on that. Okay, Troy, please take a minute here just to hit my listeners with a little bit about your background and what you do? Yes. I know. I actually just transitioned out of the Navy of the seal for just shy of nine years just transition now going to school full-time. And I'm also running a an apparel company patriotic themes barrel company here out of Denver. Okay, awesome and Troy. How old were you when you first became a father and how to becoming a dad kind of change your perspective on life. Yeah. This was 28 when I came dad and it absolutely changed. Everything is eye-opening for me. Once you have a kid you realize how selfish you are prior to that so You know, it was a it was a big reason of me transitioning out of the military as well was once I had all the kids. I realized, you know, I want to be around them more and the hundred percent best father. I could be so definitely definitely changed my perspective on the world and really put my priorities in order. Yeah, that's one of the things I always wonder about the Navy Seals just because of the nature of your work. I mean, I can understand it from that single guys perspective who is unattached. But to be a father and a family man, I mean that is got to add a layer of difficulty to a job that is already so challenging. I mean you guys are on the tip of the military spear. What was it like for you to be a dad while serving with the SEAL Teams? It's really tough, you know because you got a some point something has to give so you get a in for me. I was very scared very aware of, you know, I can't neglect my family even though I have this service, you know the duty to for my country. And the serve my country and really just finding that balance. It was definitely a struggle but like I said, it's something I was aware of. So I never neglected the family and really just paid attention to both career in the family. Yeah. What was the biggest challenge for you Troy as far as leaving the teams and no longer serving with the Navy Seals was you know something I deal with every day because it's you know, if I if it weren't for having the family. You know, I would have stayed out of been a lifer of a state in for life and you know, enjoy the community enjoy the guys and so that was one of the toughest decisions I had to make was to walk away from that and that's been something I deal with every single day, but it's a you know, I know it's the right decision and it was for the right reason. So yeah, I can't begin to imagine what that must be like for you but I'm pretty sure that your family is very happy to have you home. And I know you mentioned that your oldest is eighteen to one of your children show any interest in following you into the military. Yeah, so my my son is five and he is infatuated with seals already and not from not for me pushing it on him either he kind of started putting, you know around age four or five is when he started putting two and two together about you know what Dad did and so he's all into it now running around Nerf gun saying he wants to be a seal. So yeah, that's all. All right as a Navy SEAL. I know that you're a very disciplined individual. But how are you as far as being a disciplinarian when it comes to being a father? You know, I would say I take a lot of that disciplinary and bring it into the house too, you know, like like being structured like everybody, you know, obviously listening and obeying. 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And you know, everything is kind of you know, Hollywood when it comes to some certain aspects of it, but you know, a lot of the a lot of the documentaries that come out I believe or more more true to what are you know, what our teams consist of so, you know, I think it is. I think a lot of times that there is good information to put out and so I See that as a negative aspect or a lot of people do so. Yeah, I think it's I think it's good for your overall. Okay, and I know that many of you frogmen come out with books. Is there any type of a book or anything like that and to make you for you know, that'll be that'll be off the radar for me. I like like flying below the radar. So I'm not looking at pursuing that right now. Okay. And what is your bedtime routine look like Troy with the little ones. Are you a Storyteller a book reader you sing them lullabies? Do you kind of get them down to sleep? Yeah, we usually do we definitely do books and then like to open up for story time if the kids want to tell stories at night and it's really great bonding time, you know at the end of the night and of the last no matter how the day went you can begin reset and have a good bedtime and really show the kids that they're loved at that point. All right. And what was the Genesis of your clothing company here the American brand apparel? Honey, when did you come out with that in 2015? We had a teammate passed away a few years prior to that and just kind of realize you know, we're about that two-year Mark Reed passed away and biting are sitting around where like a how do we continue? You know, Matt the Legacy and how do we get back to the family? So that's really where it started was just you know, we did a t-shirt run give the money back to his family and then just kind of evolved and into that into something. Bigger and you know created a few custom collections across the u.s. For military museums and so it's been a really cool Journey. Yeah, that's awesome Troy. And are you guys all done here as far as having kids or you guys in the market for more? My wife says she's done. I would have one more so we'll see. All right, well good luck with that. And how about as far as having the kids Troy? Did you guys do any type of gender reveal like troll grenade and see if it blows up pink or blue or or wait until the end to find out? So with our our last daughter is born is actually cool. We did we waited till so delivery to you and find out what we were having. So we found out with the the first two and then the third is really cool experience. Wait until the end to find out. Yeah, I have four kids myself and we did sort of agenda revealed with three of them and we waited until the end with one of them. So it was great to have both experiences, but I really enjoyed waiting until the end to find out it's so cool to get that surprise. Yeah, absolutely. All right, and what type of our goals our plans do you have here for yourself in the future? So like I said, I'm full-time MBA student right now. So, you know the next year I'll have that finished up and that's the that's the biggest goal right now and then hopefully taking a few Strokes off my golf game. Yeah, that's cool. Alright last thing. I want to hit you were here Troy. I'd love to ask all the dads that I get on the podcast. What type of advice do you have for that new dad or That about to be father who's out there listening. Yeah, I think like I said, and we when you have kids that kind of changes your world change your perspective. So I think for the new dads just know that although it seems like kids are taking a lot of your time at the beginning just know that it's a hundred worth it and you know, there's there's nothing greater in this world than being a father and you know watching your kids learn from you and grow from what you teach them and and the role model you are to them. So it's so valuable and cherish your time with your kids and just really strive to be the best father. You can well said I love the message. This has been a big honor for me. I got to say Troy malesky. Thank you for your service. You are a first-class father all the way and thank you so much for giving me a few minutes of your time on First Class fatherhood. All right. Thank you. Appreciate it. Alright, I'm back with some closing thoughts in just a second here. Back to wrap things up here on first last fatherhood. I got to give a special. Thank you. Once again to Troy molesky for giving me a few minutes of his time here. 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I'm going to put it and we're going to have a chat about our views on it what we have personally. Experience have done ourselves. I'm on the motivation and reasons behind that. So, I mean I will dig in first so to speak and I in my own experience have had my boobs increased in size and I had that done around for years ago. I think now and it's been kind of interesting for me in recent times. I've been kind of thinking about my own motivation into it in that at the time I would have totally sworn that it was nothing to do with trying to find happiness that I was 100% doing it all for the right reasons, but in recent times, I've been kind of questioning that a little bit and maybe we were talking to that a little bit more as we move through but ladies, where are we all standing with what? It's your personal experience of any kind of like it doesn't need to be anything as dramatic as I'll stick surgery. But anything that you kind of have had done or you know over the years of your life Samantha, let's go with you first. Okay, so I guess in terms of body modifications. I'm I'm very I think I would say I'm very late to the game. I feel like I'm a modification virgin innocence and I think it's because like just growing up I grew up in like a very conservative like Catholic home and so like it was just like I never Dyed my hair. I never did anything to make myself look better and I think growing up. I just never like I wasn't exposed to that stuff. So I didn't even know that like that was a normal thing that people did and I remember like when I got to college and I found out that people all I got my eyelashes done really I get my eyebrows threaded. I'm like what's threading and I'm like waxing what the hell's a Brazilian like all All those things, you know, and then you start like being more exposed and I think you know to be honest like the first real thing I've ever done for myself was I got eyelash extensions in this was a few years ago. And that was like be like I felt like the most glamorous female in the entire world. I'm like, who am I can anyone see my fluttery lashes? Like it was it was the most amazing thing I was Too much upkeep and I was sick of sleeping on my back all the time. So I but it was this revolution for me because I'm like, oh my God, I could feel prettier and I hadn't ever really thought about what that would be like because I had never really dabbled too much of makeup or like beauty or any of that stuff. So my first experience is the fake lashes and and then I dyed my hair for the first time like a year ago, just go Crazy and then I guess now the only thing that I have that's not authentic to me is or an authentic but like nothing I've been really doing in terms of beauty is the facial stuff. There's spending a lot of time on my face care and that has been a huge game changer for me because I always thought like I would just have bad skin forever. But yeah, so that's that's kind of my naive experience now, that's good. And it also kind of brings up. Interesting question as to how people categorize and kind of like the beauty modification side of things. So, you know, we have obviously the extreme people who would swear to God that having any kind of beauty treatment including using makeup would be something that you shouldn't do and then you've got other people that would say like probably more where I stand where I would say, you know, it's kind of down to the down to the person but yeah really interested in that that was kind of your experience. It's Kim. Okay. Well, let me put this out here. You will never find me doing any kind of plastic surgery and it's not because I think it's a there's anything wrong with it. It's because surgery terrifies me and if I ever like need some kind of life-saving treatment, I'm going to need like a psychiatrist with me to help talk me through like literally going under the knife. So there's that. I I will not be getting a boob job, but I will say this is something I've given a lot of thought to like, why do Do the things that I do to my body and for what purpose do I do them what feels and I'm putting this in the air quotes what feels acceptable and authentic to me and why versus what doesn't and earlier this year. I finally decided to get hair extensions. And when I did it, I knew for sure. I was going to talk about it on like publicly because you know, I have a very public job and I wasn't going to show up one day with long beautiful hair and not acknowledge it. You know, it would be weird like well, where did that come from? I Didn't Do It because I wanted longer hair. I did it because I've always had hair that won't grow on the sides of my face. It's really strange. Like I worked with a hairdresser for several years trying to keep my hair's healthy as possible and see if I could get my hair. That's like right by the my face to grow and it wouldn't and I saw another person who I who I know from Instagram. She got these hair extensions and she loved them and I was like, I'm gonna go for it. And so I did it and I was really Sitting here, like what would people say when I made this posting? This is what I did. This is why I did it and I was I really thought that I would have some negativity that people would be like, you're such a big Faker just be yourself. Not a single one. Not a single person said that it was so interesting to me. You know, I'm planning some time in the next year. I have bought because you know back in my day. Ladies. What we did was put baby oil on our faces and lay in the driveway. Hue in the Sun and so I have a lot of damage on my skin from that and I plan on going to get like needling done on my face for that, you know in my mind I still have a little bit of anxiety about like, why do I feel the need? Why do I feel the need to do that? I don't have answers for you is what I'm saying. I have a lot of questions. Mhm. Yeah, I love that. Yeah, super interesting and that's what you've had to needling some as well. Yeah. IPL which is they basically like zap the freckles and hyperpigmentation off your skin like sunspots. And then yeah micro-needling. Yeah, and I would I would start with the IPL for the sunspots. Yeah, you got half at I'm to miss marcee over to you. Oh, my baby save the longest for last. Okay, so well, let's just start by saying I start I wanted to modify my body when I was 12 years old and I was overweight. So I think it started with just feeling not confident in my body as a whole and And to manipulate it that way through diet and exercise and I did and then when I was probably in high school is when I started to make some of the other modifications not necessarily because I felt that I had to just because I wanted to and I found it fun and that's what people were were doing. So I started to dye my hair, you know, I naturally have what I call mousy brown hair. It's just Very boring and so I started to get blond highlights and oh my gosh this like two-tone look was popular back then. It's just my God. I remember so hideous know like like tons of blonde highlights on top and dark underneath like what the fuck what the actual fuck was that? And when we post this to like I'm paid case it was like yeah, it looks right. So yeah, I dyed my hair blond and it was pretty long at that point. And then I remember I think was my junior year. I chopped like super-short and die to almost black. Oh, that was not a good look and yeah, I started to get my eyebrows waxed because like I am just saying I am a very hairy person by nature, which is so weird. Like I I tend to get the traits for my parents that are like the negative ones like my dad is the hairiest person you will ever meet. My mom has no body hair and she's like naturally tan. It's just so not fair. So did I got my I mean like shaved my legs obviously wax my eyebrows went to the tanning salon dyed my hair and that was just all stuff that kids my age were doing I didn't really feel like oh, I have to do this because like I'm super insecure. It was just like that. They think that you did and then in college, I just kept up with that stuff didn't really do anything else. I actually never consent. I considered getting my boobs done because when I did lose weight, I lost most of it from my chest. Like I used to be like I would say full C Small D like my boobs are they were a nice size and then when I lost weight, they pretty much all went away. I so I was like, oh should I get a boob job, but it was nothing that I ever consider like that. Seriously, I guess so this brings me to my 20s and I guess I didn't really do anything else. But in my 30s is when I started getting like really self-conscious about looking older and aging and even though people will say, oh you look like you're in your early 20s. I do not feel that way and I'll never forget I did my first photo shoot for my brand. It was like four years ago at this point and I thought that I looked fine. I didn't really realize like how many wrinkles I had and how terrible my skin actually looked but I got the pictures back and I kid you not remember that age filter like that old filter that came out so it literally looked like I put that on my face and I was like in shock it was like Lee shit I look like I'm 30 years older than I actually am so that that became a huge huge insecurity of mine and I think it made a little bit of an insecurity before that because when I was in my early 20s, I had started this new job and my second day there this guy comes over to my desk and we're just like shoot the shaking to know each other and he's like hey Marcy, she was a smoker and I said no, why is it well We got to like lines around your eyes. Oh my God, the first thing I'm talking friend. Stop talking. Yeah. I like paper towel never say that to a woman because like I never really after that and I was only 22 after that. I was never really self-conscious. I just kind of didn't really think about it and then a couple of months before my wedding when I was 28, I went and just to have a general checkup with my doctor and at the time she had just started doing Botox. X so she's like have you ever considered Botox you'd be a really good candidate. So that was strike know. What does that even mean? You're really good. I think like you have like you have wrinkles on your forehead and then a couple of years ago. I was at work one day and I'm really like really insecure about my eyes. So as part of like the aging process. I've lost a lot of You under my eyes and it looks like you have dark circles like I'm bags under my eyes and it's like a huge insecurity of mine and a client at our gym came up to me and she's a dentist and she said and she's Filipino. So I'm putting that out there because I think that sometimes other ethnicities they're just a little more forward with what they say. So they don't have as much of a filter and she says hey Marcy have a question for you. And she said are you a good sleeper? And I knew it. In that moment exactly where she was going with this and I was like no doc. I'm not why do you believe that bags under your eyes? It was like thanks. I know and I like I like lost it on her like I started crying it was oh no. Yeah, it was horrible. So that being said I have considered doing like under-eye filler. That's something that I really wanted, but it's very dangerous the research that I have done. I now know That the risk is probably far more than the actual reward have what is the risk Marcy? Um, so you're basically so filler is a very light like a gel-like substance, right? And even though it's comprised of hyaluronic acid, which is something that our bodies make it still thick and you're shooting it like you're trying to shoot it into this area that also has tons of veins and arteries like running through it. So sometimes especially like inexperienced injectors even really experienced ones. They will hit a vein and then you're pushing this gel-like substance into a vein which can cause an occlusion which is essentially the blood gets backed up and it can make enough. Yeah, it can make you go blind. I'm like, yeah. No, thanks. I'll deal with my under eye bags and I had a friend of mine who was also an online coach, and she Under a filler done and it she had a horrible reaction her eyes, like swelled up get got really puffy. She had to have antibiotics to have it like, you know go down. It was just horrible. So anyway, but I do do Botox I have been doing BOTOX for probably the past three years and I absolutely love it. It's wonderful. So so yeah, I mean I had just like I have a very like my forehead moves a lot. But I had have like a very expressive face saying that the combination that like sun damage over the years. Yeah, it's just kind of done a number on me. So that is what I do. Now. I get regular facials. I'll probably start doing you know, micro-needling IPL soon. All that shit is so expensive and I think that what I'll do for under my eyes is PRP so they essentially like they draw your blood they spin it in a centrifuge they get your platelets or plasma scuse me, and then they can Jack that under your eyes. So it's like a growth factor can stimulate collagen get rid of dark circles all of that. I just kind of like help regenerate your tissue. So but that's my story. Well, the lesson definitely is here to anyone out there who is considering doing anything is to make sure you do your research not only on the people that are going to be doing it but also into what it actually involves and like what the what the impact could be and not just get caught up in seeing anyone or anything on social media that saying yo, you should go and get this done and just presuming that it's fine for you to go and do like you have to you have to make your own decisions on it. But that kind of brings me onto kind of the next thing. I guess. We just talking about anti-aging what's your views on the whole like should we all be trying to you know, just Embrace getting older or would you consider also getting Botox? Leigh I will definitely be jumping on the botox train at some point I feel just to just to keep things where they are, you know, as I you know, I got my hair done to cover my cover my career. I have had a wheelchair than getting older. I've got one random shoulder hair, which if you don't know about this comes out to comes out to say say hello. It's the weirdest thing ever. So as you get older things do change and in like what? Are your opinions on getting old gracefully or getting old and you know doing your best to upkeep things Sam or Kim or anyone? Well, I'm older. So can I go first so here's the thing. I kind of combine those two. I guess I do believe in aging gracefully, but I don't think that aging gracefully has to mean not dying your hair or doing any kind of skin treatment going on, you know. I'm saying I don't think that you are at odds. Yeah, I think in the way I feel about it is a person should do whatever makes them feel happy. I don't and I think there can be a fine line because I'm like, okay and that's what I was saying earlier. I don't know. Why do I like to do these things? I just genuinely feel better when I don't have gray hair. I've had gray hair since I was in my early 20s. Yeah, I've kind of and I just feel better when I don't have gray hair. I do think it can get to an unhealthy level of like we're all Always trying to change everything about us and we're nitpicking ourselves in the mirror. So I do think that there is some line of we've gone too far that a person's going to have to fill out for me. I think it's fun. Like I think it's fun to color my hair guys. I don't know if you know this but I'm a blond. I am not a blond. You've just shot it all of my Illusions about what I have brown hair, you know, I like to color my hair. I like to hide. I have very pale skin which you know because you're looking at me right now, but if you remember every time you've seen me in public and person, I think I'm going to change. Yeah, I love to get spray tans. It's fun. I love it makeup. I don't actually like the process of putting makeup on because honestly, it's a pain in the butt but once I have it on I really like it. I think it looks pretty and I enjoy it, you know, and so for me as I age I'm going to do whatever I feel like hey, I have some money for that and that seems like it just makes me feel good that said I I still do have this little twinge of like why am I so interested in How I Look to make me feel good. So I will say again I come back to the question of do I think about it too much and maybe the answer is yes, and I don't even think that there's a right or wrong answer to that. Yeah. I feel like you're right. I feel like obviously if it's taking over your life and it's the one you know, you wake up every morning and that's the first thing that comes to your mind when you stand in the mirror for hours like, you know, pulling an oval eyes. I think this I would almost say there's a kind of healthy level of you taking an interest in yourself and how you show up in the world because it has like how you present yourself has an impact on how you sure up and your confidence levels and all of the things so I think it's I think it's yeah, I don't think there's a right or wrong answer and Kim at sorry Sam Marcy who wants to jump in go go go. So yeah, I mean, I guess I'm the baby of the group but um no need to show off I think so. I think there's something super interesting about the whole like aging process in that. Well, it's inevitable and everyone will go through it and less they don't make it that far, you know, so it's a matter of like, when do you allow it to shine through or do you try? To alter when it starts to happen because ultimately like everyone gets affected by gravity and everyone goes gray and everyone starts looking like shit and everyone's teeth fall out. You know, like it all just happened. All right, whatever. I just didn't like, you know, you don't take issue with the end. We have to end up looking like shit. What are you talking about? All right fine, but you know what? I mean, like it's inevitable and so I guess the modifications that I would make like for me. It's a matter of like making them as a bonus and not making it a requirement for me to feel good because like I don't think you if I don't feel good as my total authentic self like as I am right then I'm Always going to feel like there's just something missing like I'm always gonna be focusing on the lack of what I'm not which I've done for so long that I just like don't want to do that anymore. So I think I've started recently very recently like in the past year shifting on like all the great things I do have and like the other stuff like people don't even really see that I liked and insecure about so like my skin for example was one of those things and I'm like, I was freaking out about it thinking it was like so bad and and all these people - it gets not bad, but never even thought about your skin. Meanwhile the whole time like everyone thinks I'm a pizza face, you know, which is like he's so dramatic. So I think just generally as I age and I start to notice things I'll probably do a lot of like mindfulness around it before I make an altercation because Is chances are I'm magnifying the thing so much like all of the flaws that are quote unquote flaws all the things that you guys talked about being insecure about. I don't even see like I don't see Marcy's I thing I don't see Kim's like pigmentation or whatever you're talking about. I don't see Sarah's your several ways talks about her her face and her skin and she's like I got this vein. I'm like what the hell is this vein? I'm see this vein. So it's like, you know, you you are your own worst critic, so So yeah, but that being I have no idea what Marcy's talking about about under eye bags Marcie. I look at you all the time. I literally have no clue what you're talking about. I can't see you right now because you're in a dark room like the not to be cheesy, but like the spirit of them right like you're not looking at their skin you're talking to the person and so I think that for me was like when I started realizing that I think Marcy you said this like way back like, you know pick your friends based on what they look like you pick them on how to make you feel and that really like just stuck with me so much and I think it just comes down to like your kind of your self-worth really it's like yeah, I mean, we all have shit we all things that we wish were different but like yeah, You know, that's so true. I think it's like it's all about perspective and Sam. You said something really good when you first start talking about, you know, yes aging but aging is it's almost like a blessing in a sense because it means that we're still here. We're still alive or still able to enjoy our life and I try to keep that in mind on those days where I am feeling insecure about how I look or I am feeling a little bit down because I can see the signs of aging present themselves. And I think for me what it is is I still in my heart and in my body feel like I'm in my early 20s, you know, so when what I see in the mirror doesn't reflect how I actually feel it is this total mind fuck and like I want to stay youthful forever just because I feel good at this point in my life, but yes at some point. Ain't no matter how many cosmetic procedures you do hell, even if you get a facelift you can only do so much, you know, like you don't see a 70 year old woman who's had a facelift who so literally looks like she's 20 or 30 right like that. Her name is Jennifer Aniston and Jane Fonda human. I mean like that. They're like an older more mature woman, you know? Yeah because there are some women like the woman who does my Facials she is from Hungry. She's absolutely stunning, but she has had no work done on her and she is very against fillers Botox all of that. So she's like, you know, you can do what you want to do, but I'm not going to do that myself. I don't think people need it and but just like the way that she carries herself her confidence her Poise the way that she like makes herself up. She is just absolutely gorgeous even though She has you know, the lines around her eyes and her skin is a little bit it was like sagging and whatnot. It's just it's her confidence. It's the way that she carries herself what makes her as lovely as she is. So I think that's another thing to consider as well. But yeah, it's something really quick. I just don't want to forget but you were talking about the wines, right? Yeah. I think that I've always seen Smite like the lines around your eyes or your face, whatever I always. Those as like it's almost like when you get asked when you have a scar right from like falling or doing something, it's like that creates a memory, right? You're like, oh, I remember like when I fell and blah blah when I see smile lines or I lines or anything. I just think like that person had fought the good life. Yeah. Yeah, they got to pattern right that means that they were smiling while they're laughing a lot and it's like age is an old age isn't a bad thing. Right? It's like a thing, but it's also like significant of Wisdom in like having life. I don't know. I don't I don't see the other side of it as much like the positive I guess shines through more for me personally. Yeah, so interesting because I have lots of smile lines when I don't have my Botox and people are always telling me like if you have resting bitch face, like why don't you smile more? You're so smart. You're so pretty when you smile like the why do I have all these motherfucking lines? Yeah. Let's just go. I took he said I really had to work on my my self worth over the years and it has grown exponentially. So I am at a place right now where I genuinely like the person who I am. I have a lot of self-worth. I have a lot of self-love self-respect whatever you want to call it, but I still want to feel my best and I went and had my Botox done about three weeks ago and I was like, you know, what do I share this? I don't know and it wasn't even. It wasn't like I was worried about people judging me like the people who I don't know. I was almost more worried about all of them because I am like fairly holistic, you know, so I eat organic food. I like try to use non-toxic products as much as I can yet here I am shooting poison into my face and I was almost worried that the people in my life who are also very holistic. We're going to judge me not so much the people who I am trying to impact like, you know, my other followers who I don't know. It was like so yeah, I was like fascinating. So I was like I've been doing this for three years. I've never talked about it. I'm going to talk about it because I think that this conversation needs to be had and it is okay to want to change your appearance. If it is just that little extra thing that makes you feel a little bit more confident that allows you to hold your head higher and it makes you feel good. There's nothing wrong with that. So I did post about it and you know, like Kim said with the hair extensions I did. not get Hey there, I think we lost Marcy. I think I'm guessing that you just about to say she didn't get much or any negative feedback from it, which is kind of very interesting and kind of goes into where I was going to take the conversation. I just wish that you love lovely people could see how Marcy has left us from the Screech. It's like a frozen a good thing. Do you think? Do you think that I am I as women there is a tendency for us to maybe get judged a little bit more or to judge each other's a little bit more when it comes to the whole kind of like, you know, where you stand on getting all of this kind of stuff done or you know, even you know hair dyed all of the things do you think there is a tendency for us to be harsher on other women as a kind of well. Well, absolutely. I'm going to say this so I am very vocal about my insecurities to my boyfriend and he always says just like Sam you were saying it's like Marcy you're crazy. I don't notice any of this stuff right as like well, then you're not looking hard enough because it's there. No, but maybe that's just because no, oh, he loves me so much that he's blind to those things and which I do think is very true. I don't see other people's flaws and even if I was to notice something It it doesn't make me like them any less. Like I'm not judging that person even though I may be judging myself a little bit. But what I say to him when he tells me, I don't need these things. He doesn't see them whatever is yes, but it is much more acceptable for men to age. So you'll hear things like, oh he silver-fox right and like there are there are some men who get BOTOX and filler and all that. I mean, it's It's definitely prevalent, but I do not think that there are judged, you know, so like let's a woman ages. She gets less roles in movies. Whereas a man ages, you know, it's like he's the one in the film who is going to be going after the younger woman like it's rarely the other way around. So I absolutely think that we have more pressure on us and to uphold this standard of beauty. And that's one of the reasons we do it and yeah, I've also considered if I wasn't I hate to use the word like influencer, but someone who didn't have a fairly large presence on social media where I am a little bit in that public eye. I don't think I would care as much I really don't know, it's me. I feel like because other eyes are on me I have in the past been worried that people would judge me if I didn't look a certain way or like they wouldn't want to work with me or they I wouldn't like take me a seriously again and it's totally skewed thinking because I don't think that about anybody else like why am I feeling as though people are going to do the same to me? I mean, some people are shitty. They really are and they will tell you like. Oh, yeah, you know, you should go get BOTOX or you should do whatever like people are going to be assholes. But I think for the majority it's not like that. But yeah, there is that pressure to uphold that standard of beauty that Society puts on us. And I think that that standard of beauty that we we feel pressured about I think a lot of it comes I think we do as women tend to judge other women about beauty more because we are keyed into it because we judge ourselves about those things and I think that's because women's bodies historically have been more objectified than men snot that men's bodies aren't ever objectified because they are but we look at women's bodies as objects. To view. Yeah, I think that's something that's changing and that we can change and so we do it to ourselves we self objectify and then we take that and through that lens we look at other people. Yeah, and so I think working on all of that. There is a nonprofit organization called Beauty redefined who I love to follow they have an amazing Instagram account. I'm getting ready to sign up. They have an online course. I'm going to take with my daughter all about body image resilience, and they're they're like Mantra that I love is I have it written down here. So I wanted to share it with you guys. Your body is an instrument not an ornament loving your body isn't thinking your body looks good. It's knowing your body is good regardless of how it looks. Yeah, and I love that and I'm learning to not self objectify is really key. And I think that's going to that's going to be something that's going to take time and practice Yeah a hundred percent and I think probably we all do this with our clients when we have a client. And it comes to us who maybe is really struggling with their own like body image, which is to make sure that we shift their focus from how the body looks and get them to move into more on what it does for them on a day-to-day basis because like your body is so much more than just, you know, as you say it's not just an ornament actually says a really freaking important purpose because without it you ain't going to be here. You know what I mean Sam. Did you have anything on that? I think well, I do have a lot but I guess if I was to summarize that's often something I say to myself to like, I'm not my body. I'm not my thoughts right like just remembering that it's just a vessel in which holds the fucking bad-ass that I am. You know, I have to remind myself that when I do like zoom in on my flaws, which usually happens in the form of picking at my face or trying to get rid of every single fucking blackhead in the mirror. You know, like actually zooming into those flaws and just remembering like no one sees that shit, you know, like I can only one focusing on it. And when I look at other women specifically because the majority of my feet is full of women butts or food or puppies that any judgment I make is just a judgment of myself like and so when I catch myself like having this dialogue in my head of like oh Are fatter Leo there are skinny or oh this oh that I'm just like saying that to myself, you know, so starting to I've Been Just way more aware of my Sarah knows this about me, but I have recently named that part of me. Her name is Judgment Judy and she's a bitch some time. She wears so hard like someone will be walking down the street and they'll be wearing like ridiculous outfit and they'll be like super fucking overweight and I'll just judge the shit out of them and then I will catch myself in the judgment and be like judging the Judy you step down and I'll talk to her because he is under well and you'll have that like judge are in US. Yeah, but it's just a vocalizing it and so remembering that like it's okay to judge people, but just remember that like, you know, it's not a reflection of who you are. It's just it happens. We all judge so just moving on from that and whether you do it to yourself or you do it to other people It's like okay, it happens next, you know, just keep continuing to move on. So yes, I think like you and I were having this conversation a couple of weeks ago because you're very vocal about you judging your boyfriend Kurt about something and I know this is something that you talked about on your personal podcast and I said, so I knew that I heard recently which was judgment is a mirror not a window. So exactly and I'm like, oh that hit so hard When judging anybody else or even when you hit feel that hit of insecurities like oh she's doing better than me. Whatever. It may be like that is an insecurity in yourself forever. Yeah. Finally you need to spend two hours a night journaling on it to actually see them. I did the same thing. Like I saw somebody the other day who was super overweight and like they were sitting down eating an ice cream cone. The first thing that went to my What's my head was like why are you eating that shit, you know and then I was like, okay step back that could have been there, you know, 10 20 % food, like for all I know they're on a diet right now. They're working really hard to lose weight and I have not seen everything else that they're eating throughout the day and this is their one Indulgence. So you really got to step back and just be like a little bit more compassionate I guess and then really quick I wanted to talk touch. On what Kim was saying about that thing that you're going to do with your daughter and that is just so important because sometimes I wonder if we're I have gotten these insecurities about my own appearance is from how my mom used to talk about herself, right? So she's always picking herself apart and oh I'm so fat and I need a facelift and your dad hates my neck. And this and that and yeah, so it's like it's so sad. My mom was a beautiful woman just like The most wonderful loving person that you could ever meet yet. She's so hard on herself, especially their physical appearance. So as you know has some of that kind of rubbed off on me and if she had talked nicely about herself my entire life would I feel differently like see my both my grandparents were the same or my grandmother's were the same way like appearance was everything like they kind of my dad's mom used to always call. I on someone's weight or she would call them like, oh that that woman's really homely. She was friends say she's as holy as a pitch fence or something like that. I'm like what? Oh, yeah. I think a lot of it is our upbringing to you know, so it's really great that you're going to start having those conversations with your daughter. Yeah. Can you really do just like you you do need the prize for number one? Mom of the Year award? No. Give that girl a bitch. It's just something I'm really aware of and it's guys it's because I'm not perfect at it's interesting. I just decided where to sign up for this course and then I realized two days later. I said something to my daughter. I'm like, you should just shut up sometimes Kim. Aye so I got sick the other day and I had some kind of source all in my mouth and they were all under my lips and they were giving me a fat lip. Well I said to my daughter I was talking about how painful was I was like, but look at least finally I have an upper lip because I have a really thin lip And I was like, oh my gosh Kim shut up. You're telling your daughter you're glad you have sores in your mouth because it looked my lip looks pretty cool thing to say so my point is but I was really conscious of it. So I'm very conscious of the messages I give her about my body about her body about other people's bodies. And so when I saw this course and I was like and I like the idea that it's about body image resilient. I'm not exactly sure what that means. But I like that idea that I'm going to teach her. Not that this course is going to help her be resilient around how her body looks and what her body is in her life. I love that idea. Yes. Just helping it to really accept herself for who she is and just out of interest just before we kind of wrap things up. Obviously, you're the only one who is a mum out of all of us. If if there comes a point when your daughter comes to you and says, hey mom I've decided I want to have let's go with a boob job or something. What's going to be your kind? Div, what would be your initial view or response? It would depend on each u.s. She's a teenager in my home. I would say my dear that is an absolutely acceptable choice for you to make later. We're not making choices about adjusting anything on your body at this stage. Like she already knows like I wouldn't let my son get a tattoo when he was still under 18. We're just not doing permanent things to our body at this age because you have many years to make informed choices about that in the teenage years when your brain is not fully formed is not when we're making dramatic changes that are permanent to Bodies, I will say I already have I take my daughter with me regularly to get her eyebrows waxed. We are very hairy people. We are Italian and we are covered in hair every which way and when I was younger, I hated my eyebrows and I don't know maybe it was the time period or maybe it was just my mom. Nobody ever took me to get my eyebrows waxed. She had my daughter had a full-on unibrow and fifth grade. I didn't tell her not to like that, but she didn't like it and I said honey. Why don't you just come with me if you're going to like feel better about it with a god. Let's do it and I make it no big deal. I don't make it like oh my Gosh, we have to get it done. But we we just go and that's what we do. You know, we brush our teeth. We got waxer eyebrows. So, you know, I do take you to do things some other people might judge me and say like that's terrible you're teaching her. She's not acceptable at this age. I don't know you have kids and you do what you want with them is what I would tell that person. I don't know. So, you know, I think I would just it would depend on what the thing was, you know, if she wanted to dye her hair maybe yeah, like where you getting the money Forgot that's kind of expensive maybe but nothing permanent. Okay, I think that's enough fair enough Sam. I think you just said something really really powerful which is people can do what they want. Right? Like it's like saying you're fucking Lane. Yeah your hair because it makes you feel great then dye your hair because it makes you feel great. It doesn't affect me. Yeah, and it's almost like why do we need Wi-Fi and it's like, this is a probably a huge philosophical question that we will not answer. Today but like humans like it's so crazy that we are always judging other people like 24/7 now like someone walks by you you judge them whether it be a good thing or a bad thing, you make an observation you register that in your brain and then you move on and it's so kind of cool like it's cool and it's weird that we go through this as humans. Like there's you can't just look at someone and just not have a judgment until maybe you become enlightened and you're like Eckhart Tolle or your boot. And you're just you're so old bear in mind, you know, but I think for the for the normal person it's really hard to not judge. Yeah, but oh that in mind that just because you've got something in your head. You don't always need to say it to the person. I usually advise to clothes on. Yeah. Those are inside your thought had thoughts or something. I tell my kids all the time invisible ink, baby. Never ask a woman. Like are you tired? Yeah, like oh, so basically you're telling me I feel like I look like yeah just my thoughts and said, I mean just to just kind of wrap up. Does anyone have any parting with words of wisdom or comments on this particular subject before we head off into the sunset you don't like what you do, whatever whatever makes you feel good. I say there's nothing wrong with it. But but do like we've been saying it take a step back and really assess. Yeah, why do I feel like I need to make these changes. Yes to cover up a deeper lack of self-worth or is it because I already feel whole and complete as I am and I just feel a little more confident if I make these aesthetic changes. Yeah, because I think it's always important for anyone to remember that you are not going to become like a happier human being just because you dye your hair or you have breasts In pants, or you have botox that is something that comes from a much much deeper level. So don't expect, you know, big life-changing results just from doing something to your externals lady. I love you. This has been amazing and thank you so much for tuning in and I think maybe just as a little bit of fun homework for the first book group. I would love I would love us all the puss. The dodgiest the dodgiest pictures that also we have from some point in our in our lives Marcy. This was actually a you that brought my idea and gosh I the time of my life when I was telling you about all these horrendous looks that I have I don't even and even take that many pictures back then so I'm really gonna have to like, let's get digging. Okay, like I picture like when we made like crazy Beauty decisions like yeah that kind of thing. Yeah, so just anything like the quizzes you think? Yeah, I'm also seeing on Instagram today. It's like that that decades challenge again where you're supposed to post a picture from ten-year-old. Okay, wait that happened last year, I guess so. Yeah. No, apparently yeah time flies bro time flies while okay, so I try and dig up a picture from when I took a picture of George Michael to my hairdresser when I was in seventh grade and said I what I want to look like Like George Michael that was a really great Beauty decision. This is why I love it. Okay ladies. Love you, and we were you guys on the next episode have a very Happy Thanksgiving. Oh, yes, Happy Thanksgiving. Enjoy. Bye all. Alright that wraps up another episode of the Decades of strength podcast. Thank you so much for tuning in and listening. 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Do you think YOUR true happiness can be found by making changes to your body, having the latest beauty treatment or using makeup which promises to change your life by making you “flawless” and “perfect”? From our personal experience and from working with 1000’s of women between us, we know that some of you believe it will. “If only I could lose this 10lbs then I would be happy” “When I have perfect skin that’s when I’ll be happy” “If I could grow my butt that's when life will be happy ” These things bring a temporary elated happy feeling, they give you a confidence boost, they make you feel nice but the reality is they are only a sticking plaster. If you are not at peace in your mind about who you are, if you aren’t living a life that fulfils you or you don’t love and respect who you are inside and out, then no amount of hair dye, facial treatments, lip gloss or surgery will change that. At the end of the day you can do whatever you want to YOUR body, seriously it’s no one else’s biz. But you have to manage your expectations of how the outcome will truly impact your life. Being aware that your whole life will not transform into this happy magical place just because you lose weight and have perfect skin. Yes, they can make you feel good along the away but they cannot change the relationship you have with yourself inside your mind and that's where the real happy lives. In this episode we have an open conversation about; 👉🏻Our own beauty enhancements from the tame to the slightly more extreme! 👉🏻Our struggles with the pressure to be perfect and harsh self judgement. 👉🏻The ageing process and whether you should just embrace it or fight it to the death! 🌟Sam, Sarah, Marci, & Kim: 4 Women, 1 Mission🌟 ⠀ Follow Sam: @saltylifts ⠀ Follow Marci: @marcinevin ⠀ Follow Sarah: @sarahdufflifestyleandfitness ⠀ Follow Kim: @kimschlagfitness --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/decadesofstrength/message

My name is Sam. I Am a street-level philosopher and a lifelong martial artist and this is must Triumph. This week. I have to thank Becca Kirkpatrick for becoming my newest patreon sponsor. Thank you Becca. If you've benefitted from must Triumph, please consider also becoming one of my patreon sponsors. I've included an array of rewards such as transcripts bonus episodes. I recently started an educational series covering important books. I finished one on sapiens by you've all Noah Harari, and I'm now in the middle. Three part series on a people's history by Howard Zinn also as a sponsor you can ask me questions that I'll answer on the podcast and you'll just get lots of love and gratitude for me. You can find me on patreon.com slash must Triumph, but I'll include a link in the show notes. With that said let's begin the show on actions The Art of Doing. In high school, I really like this girl. Let's call her Jane. Actually. I wasn't the only one who like they're two of my other friends did as well. It had gotten to the point where the time for talk was over. It was time for Action. We all decided to ask Jane out and see who she would say. Yes to guess what she said. Yes to none of us because none of us asked. So this was my first lesson on The Art of Doing one action is worth more than a thousand thoughts. That's the Curious Thing about dots they only exist in our heads and not in the real world. It only becomes reality through action. Yes, we all decided to ask but none of us actually did it if thinking were just as good as doing then the world as we know it would look a lot different. Imagine Five Frogs on a log drifting on a pond for think about jumping off. How many are left still five because thinking and doing are not the same. It's like someone on a diet describing their eating habits to a nutritionist. They only describe what they should be doing. I'm trying to cook more and eat more salads rather than what they're actually doing. I mostly eat fast food. We have a hard time differentiating intent from action. That's why we often get so confused about politics. We look at the intent. What each party is supposed to do rather than what they've actually done through policy. And until David Hume in the late 1700s. We thought what should be happening was the same as what is happening. It took that long and the Arc of history for someone to realize they were not the same and if you've never heard of him, you still might not know the difference. We we all start from a place where we don't know the difference. That's just how the human mind naturally works. How can people defend the bad actions or bad policies of our world leaders? They argue from the perspective of intent or more precisely from our Assumption of their intent. And if you look at the wellness industry, the whole industry is based on the confusion between intent and action why do people fall for scams and pseudoscience because they look at the intent they look at what a supplement is supposed to do but Having no idea what it actually does or how suppose is different from effect. If we only bought wellness products based on the effect rather than the promised there would be no Wellness industry. It comes down to motivated reasoning we're motivated to believe thoughts and actions are the same preferring to be judged by our intentions rather than our actions because our intentions are always Stellar our actions and not so much. So for the sake of ego we highlight the intent so going back to my story. It wasn't long after I decided to do something and ended up. Doing nothing that Jane moved away. This leads to my second lesson why I like prizefighting and in fact why so many of us like prizefighting it doesn't matter if you watch the actual sport what I mean by liking prizefighting is enjoying the idea of price lighting interpret it in TV shows movies video games and the like and what price fighting represents is a level of honesty. You won't find in day-to-day interactions. There are the occasional fight fixes but unlike in movies if it happens in real life. It doesn't involve the fighters at all. The fight fixers usually get to the judges or the referees because it would be too obvious if they got to the fighters because what you see is what you get. Imagine if every conversation was held to the same standard the things that count or what the fighters do with their fists and not much else. We the audience have no privy to their thoughts. We can assume they intend to win yet. All that matters is what they do. There are no should haves or could haves the fighters leave it all in the ring. And then some we respect that somewhere in our DNA. We all respect action has been hardwired by Evolution adaptation is not an intent. It's an action nature doesn't mess around humans talk. Think and procrastinate but nature is break to business. Then what's fighting? It's the closest escape hatch. We have to our primitive days when we only lived in objective reality and on some fundamental level the knowledge that there is at least one real thing left in the world is comforting to us. This leads to my third Epiphany as a kid actions count. Too often. We tell people are intense wanting instant positive feedback rewards just for thinking Mom. I was thinking about applying to law school and Mom replies. I'm so proud of you or how about I was thinking about volunteering to help the homeless and your friends respond. You're so kind and what it never happens rather than facing that fact gracefully we default to but I thought about it. This is our inner dialogue. Why didn't I tell Dad I love them before he passed I thought about it. Why didn't I forgive my brother and reconnect with them? I thought about it. Why didn't I travel like I had always planned to I thought about it. Why didn't I finish school? I thought about it. Why didn't I take better care of myself. I thought about it. It's not about action speaking louder than words. I'm saying actions are the only things that speak. Actions count words are meaningless unless used for something meaningful in your life. What will count aren't all the dots. You've had. No one had their deathbed recounts all their thoughts. What counts are all the things you've done how you've treated others how you treated yourself? And how you apply the principles you believe that and if you keep examining yourself and go down this Rabbit Hole you'll get to my fourth realization. Announcing is not committing every year. I see Facebook Health resolutions a year later. It's the same resolutions by the same people if announcing work, why would you have to announce it again the following year? It's like having multiple grand openings. Something's not working. In fact, it's not even like announcing the grand opening. It's more like announcing that you've started to think about starting a business, but that announcement does not tell us anything about whether anything will actually happen or change. So here's my fifth lesson show don't tell Writing narrative is hard because a good writer must demonstrate intent through actions not by having the characters talk about themselves, which is what happens in real life. And why real life is boring compared to fiction. The general rule is show don't tell just as writing the park can be challenging so is living the part both require character development. Quote action is character F Scott Fitzgerald. Is the focus on creating an identity or is the focus on implementing a task implementation encourages action identity encourages inactivity. It's the difference between being what you consistently do versus being what you say you are if I always lie and I am what I consistently do then I am a liar. But if I am what I say, I am and I say, I'm an honest person then identity says, I'm an honest person. Identity through Exposition is of course more ego preserving than living the part which is why people do it just as writing bad narrative through Exposition is easier than writing good narrative, which is why people do it. In fact, it's much easier to call myself a writer then to do it as a profession. I'm a writer. I just said it it's super easy to do and it didn't cost me anything now going out there and making a life doing it. Well, that's different. I can say I'm really good at anything but actually being good at that thing. Dang that's hard. The scientific definition of ego is self-identity. Our ego does not actually exist in the world. It only exists in our minds. Thus ego disconnects us from reality and connects us to fiction fiction being what our minds create sadly we often enjoy our Fiction more than our reality. Let's say my goal is to look smart. It may be good enough to tell people how well I've done in school. Perhaps even make up a high number and tell people that's my IQ. Then I have met my goal to appear smart to others. But if my goal were to do well on an upcoming test there would be no advantage in trying to convince others of my smarts. In fact, he would only robbed me of time and energy that I could use for Preparation furthermore bragging with distract me from my primary goal and add unnecessary pressure. I'm sabotaging myself prioritizing appearance over performance. Not only will I underperform but I'll also look stupid and just based on my actions. I am being stupid which raises the question am I living a simulation? or a reality We don't need to go all Matrix or sci-fi on this. Let me explain how ordinary this Paradox is. So for some creating a list for telling others of intent achieve their goal if my intent were to express to myself and to others my ambitions, then the telling accomplishes might ask I'm creating my own social reality but through announcing do I gain some symbolic power? I lose material power. To expand on this further think about the boy who cried wolf. He cried wolf hoping to gain symbolic power and he did everyone gave him their attention attention exist in people's minds. This is why symbolic but now the boy has no material power away to get people to physically help him if an actual wolf appears and when the wolf arrives the boy will cry, but no one will come. Symbolism is beautiful, but it does nothing for you when you're being eaten by a wolf though. It might help the writer who recounts your story because symbolism also does not exist in the real world. It is immaterial and unfortunately like intent and action we offer free skate symbolic power with material power EG social politics versus Power politics. Our minds are built for narrative. So it makes sense. We mistake storytelling for Action. I'm telling you a story. What I'm about to do something that has not happened. This is different from describing an event what I have done something that has actually happened but as we do with mythology once it's out there we mistake the story for reality. We mistake storytelling for actual living. Let's say I tell everyone my goals and my doing this to help myself attain my goals or am I doing this to facilitate imagining myself having already achieved my goals. Is this a creative exercise or am I really accomplishing something like telling everyone I want to ask Jane out versus actually asking Jane out during the first Hurst the latter because I trapped myself in a fantasy Lube. We're in my imagination Jane and I already went out and broke up then why ask her out when I've already lived the relationship in my mind. This is why people pretend to have online relationships what matters isn't the material existence of the significant other but rather the feeling that this is a reality and the more people you tell them convinced the more they help you live your fantasy. They actively participate in your delusion. This is why I technology all about doctored photos is becoming the biggest social platform. It's what we've always wanted a way to spread our imaginary world and for others to reinforce them in your life. You will constantly be asked to participate in others delusions and you'll ask others to take part in your delusions. Every professional boxer regularly meets a grown man. Who's never taken a boxing class who will tell them how they've always planned to fight professionally and are still looking into it. They want the boxer to validate their fantasy that they are a diamond in the rough a somebody special significant. So what are thoughts without actions? Are we living in base reality or are we living in our custom-made simulation? We don't need virtual reality or machines for simulations. That's what our minds are for. Are we taking actions to make our goals or reality or are we creating a simulation where we pretend? Our goals are already a reality. This isn't the Matrix. This is our everyday and believe it or not creating a simulation is much easier than committing to action. In telling people our goals, we're telling people the reality. We like to live in one where rear Tony Stark and whether they believe it or not just saying it helps us live in our vanity because we aren't saying it for them. We're saying it for ourselves. We just need to know they heard us. Why do people need to preach to you their rear beliefs? Why can't they be libertarian about it and let you think what you want and they can go on and believe what they want because it's not about us. It's about damn reinforcing their fantasy. And the weirder it is the more reinforcements they need. Why do we get so passionate about ideas? Why do we need a proselytized? Why can't we just Live and Let Live you do you I do me telling rather than doing allows us to wrap ourselves in the warm blanket of personal fiction. And once we're tucked in there is no need for a real world action. We're completely turned around but since in action, and the world of intent is normal We Believe eating in a No gay means we don't have to eat and real life. Your sorrow tribe of Papua New Guinea have a saying knowledge is only a rumor until it lives in the muscle. This is the best explanation of thoughts and actions I've ever found. We can't tell if we're really trying to accomplish something or if we're just role-playing we make big goals. We make plans make vision boards, but is this any different from people who set goals make campaigns draw maps and the sundry for Dungeons and Dragons if you've ever played or talked with a DND Enthusiast the game is talked about and played as if it were based reality, but that's most of us and goals are our game. We've lived in our heads for so long. We can't tell when we're dealing with reality or are fiction and that's why we go to therapy and or take medication. We seamlessly slide back and forth. We aren't ever lying because to lie, we have to be aware of the truth, which most times we are unaware of and disinterested in Andy's fantasies are constantly reinforced smile before you're happy. Tell everyone you are professional actor before ever having active professional League fake it till you make it even though that's called fraud in the eyes of the law. Think about being rich and pretend you're already there. Say it until you believe it tell the universe your desires and pretend you already have them take a picture of your feet in front of the YMCA pool posted on Instagram and tell everyone you're in Fiji Photoshop yourself use. Walter apps and create a Persona then adopt the persona. It's a self-perpetuating delusion. No different than the process of hypnosis and talking about it is what helps you maintain it. There's a scene from the HBO show Flight of the Conchords that really drives this home. And back in New Zealand. Uh, I was getting it on with lots of chicks. Hey, well Sierra Fitzpatrick Michelle Fitzpatrick clear Fitzpatrick. The list goes on. That was all along. Well triple figures. That's not trouble figures this 3 here though. I don't seem to get with any women. I just talked about getting with women. Yeah, but the ones you talked about a heart they're a lot harder than the ones you got with a New Zealand. That's true. I don't talk about getting with some pretty hot women. Yeah, just talk about a man. Talk about a lot. Yeah, I suppose I do talk a lot about getting with some very hot women. Simulating an examined life and a better self is nice. But when will you actually live don't fear machines putting you inside the Matrix, we've already put ourselves there willingly Friedrich Nietzsche believed. This was the basis for understanding human behavior that we humans live vicariously but not vicariously through the lives of others. That would be somewhat understandable but vicariously through Our own lives one, which we imagined traditional vicarious living would be to look at an athlete and wonder what it would be like to be him. But in the vicarious living each up houses, we live in we imagine ourselves as perhaps a former star athlete a past that never actually existed and live vicariously through this imaginary us dieters will often imagine a time when they used to be in super human shape back in the day. I was in such good shape or the more ordinary terms we pretend we're richer than we are smarter than we are and more badass than we are the good old days days that never existed making America great again. I remember the UFC a fighter talking about making a brand new division great again. But how can you make great again, but division that just started because it's easy to invent an illustrious past that never happened. Other people bought into it too. But Nicha suggest we snap out of our fantasies and live the lives. We want to live instead of retroactively changing the past just live the past you want to live just do the damn thing. And that is what the chair called the Ubermensch one of the rare individuals who has free will. The will to power his or her own life instead of not doing it and making it up just doing it. So here is my sixth lesson announcements can be cool sometimes. Sometimes informing others of your objective is a critical step in achieving your goals intent letters were College to hold appointments to raise money to gain a vice and so forth. It can also remove unnecessary obstacles caused by misunderstanding or miscommunication like using turn signals while driving These are natural steps in completing your tasks. They serve a tactical purpose rather than serving as a symbolic gesture if the intent and telling someone your goal is to get early praised or to give yourself self praise then it'll backfire especially if they're important. You might blow your only Opportunity by going to them before you're ready. In fact being so bent on getting praise with nothing to show for it. Is the red flag for anyone who's in a position of power? This is also how people will begin to complain that you're entitled many behave in this way seeking catharsis catharsis is all about releasing some pent-up psychological energy yet. Once that energy is released. So goes the urge to commit your exercising the intent rather than doing the intent thus giving away your power I plan to marry you is Is different from a genuine proposal, you know this right? He said he loves me but he's not ready to commit to our brains the gesture of Promise feels as good as the action whether you're actually proposed to her not being told the intent releases the same feel-good endorphins to the speaker and the receiver. This is why we get hooked on talk over action. It's so much quicker and easier way to get an endorphin rush. We want immediate gratification and action takes time and work. This hard people are willing to make unlikely promises and we're likely to believe them because it feels good like a drug addict neither the person making the promise nor the receiver of the promise knows whether This Promise will be kept all their oh thinking about our feelings. Why do people say I love you when they don't mean it because it feels good. And it's often done during a feel-good moment quote as empty vessels make the loudest sound so day that have least wit are the greatest babblers Play-Doh. Ostensibly let's do lunch means there will be no lunch. Since the gesture has been made there is no good cause to actually meet for lunch - we'll make cliches. They're often said but seldom acted upon we know not to take them seriously and this is why People like to talk watch what they do. Not what they say. This is the intent Behavior Gap. In at NYU study people who publicly announced their intentions to commit to a goal. We're less likely to pursue that goal than people who made no announcement. These findings have been consistently replicated since the 1930s was the intent to complete the goal, or was it to communicate the goal? Either way part of the goal has come to fruition getting others to imagine us crossing the finish line. Imagine paying up front to get your car fixed. Do you believe this will make the mechanic more accountable? That's how people get scammed. You're giving away your power. Announcing the seductive because it creates a sense of progress without having to get your hands dirty the same as bragging about a good deed. We know we shouldn't but we sometimes lack the discipline to stop ourselves. It's that feeling when you know, you shouldn't post something on Facebook, but you can't help yourself. Quote act like a man of thought and Think Like a Man of Action Henri bergson. We're told that it is the thought that counts yet. History tells us it is only actions that count. If we are exceptional based on our goals, then we are all exceptional because there are no barriers to ambitious goals because even a brain in a jar that has no physical ability to do anything can still set goals. So is that what we are a brain in a jar Imagining the world? When I told my friends I had decided to ask Jane out. They said they were proud of me and that I was demand but proud of what I never did anything they were proud of my intentions rather than my actions and in doing so it gave me the mental excuse not to bother why go through all the nerves and unpleasantness of asking Jane out when I could have the self satisfaction of getting respect from my friends as if I had accomplished. The task strange as this may sound if my friends had not believe me. I would have been more likely to pursue my goal. They were too supportive of my wish fulfillment for alcoholics. This is called enabling when people don't buy into your fantasy when they doubt you you now have just cause to prove your intent. This is why so many doers say they love doubters, but perhaps the doubters create the doers and people who never do never do because they have no doubters. What is the best motivator doubt? How do people lose massive weight or climb Mount Everest? We like to believe as because Bought into our vision but as you know, that doesn't work we do it when we think there is no other way to make our intent or reality other than by doing it much like a wolf. We're most powerful when we're backed into a corner or Corner we can create for ourselves. In 210 BCE after ferrying his army across the Yangtze River Chinese Commander Zhang you set fire to his own ships. He eliminated Retreat as an option harsh and cruel. Yes, but it worked and as Army won nine consecutive battles, the same tactic was employed by many of the ancient militaries. Humans, look for any justification to stop trying to give up and sometimes only when left with no other options do they do the right thing social scientists have proven that closing options not only helps us Focus, but it also makes us more creative in our Solutions. When everyone tells you you're the best and that you'll be able to accomplish whatever you wish you probably won't be the best at anything and you're likely not to accomplish much. You'll be what Nietzsche are called the bungled and botched. Yes. Congratulations for doing nothing feels good and doubt sucks. That's how our minds work. It's by Design. It's how we survive through adversity. We can't survive. Yes. We can remember encouragement by definition means to be pushed into courage and when we use encouragement as it was intended is when encouragement actually works. So here's my seventh lesson. We all need a personal code. Some people are measured with their words if they say they'll do something they'll do it. They don't deliver on what they say because they're afraid of what others will think is what they'll think of themselves having said something and not having done it. They're uncomfortable with praise for them. It's a matter of principle social scientists call this personal code conscientiousness conscientious. People are the rivals to public announcers and studies consistently show conscientious folks are the happiest have the most friends. Live the longest conscientiousness is a time-worn quality. That is Vanishing in a Shameless Society who hates being shamed We Tell The World our goals without shame and yet we will not allow ourselves to be shamed into following through what our goals quote your actions speak so loudly I cannot hear what you are saying Ralph Waldo Emerson. It's always a pleasant surprise when someone accomplishes something without much fanfare. Fighters are famous for saying they'll let their actions speak for themselves. The effectiveness of this attitude is backed by both science and Common Sense people who believe actions of the best way to express intentions or more likely to start and complete any big undertaking in the end. No one will ever know what I was thinking history only remembers what was done and Jane will never know I wanted to ask her out All That Remains is a cautionary tale about my inactivity. But it all worked out in the end o because now I'm happily married and that would have never happened unless my wife asked me out. Hey, someone had to take action right quote. If a picture is worth a thousand words, then an action is worth a thousand pictures Grand Master Zhu Andre. So in closing do not brag over what is not yet done be playful be childlike kids think then they do we need to add some of that back into our lives fear of risk stagnates progress. It might feel safe to do nothing yet. Most of the world's ills happen because we should have done something happiness is an internal state, but it's driven by external actions. The more meaning we provide others the happier we feel so for the sake of others and yourself have your accomplishments surpassed the things you wish you had done. 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Do not brag over what is not yet done. Be playful, be childlike. Kids think then they do. We need to add some of that back into our lives. Fear of risk stagnates progress. It might feel safe to do nothing, yet most of the world's ills happen because "we should have done something." Happiness is an internal state, but it's driven by external actions. The more meaning we provide others, the happier we feel. So for the sake of others and yourself, have your accomplishments surpass the things you wish you had done. Useful Resources http://pss.sagepub.com/content/20/5/612.abstract http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/psysociety/2013/12/30/facebook-resolutions/ http://www.ted.com/talks/derek_sivers_keep_your_goals_to_yourself For those who suffer from procrastination and resistance, read The War of Art: Break Through the Blocks and Win Your Inner Creative Battles by Steven Pressfield http://amzn.to/2wzBUlI The definitive book in productivity, Getting Things Done by David Allen http://amzn.to/1VUsTun How to find joy in action, Free Play: Improvisation in Life and Art by Stephen Nachmanovitch http://amzn.to/2xI46mo On effortless action, read Trying Not to Try: Ancient China, Modern Science, and the Power of Spontaneity by Edward Slingerland http://amzn.to/2xIM7MM For more on the strange and irrational world of the human mind, read Predictably Irrational: The Hidden Forces That Shape Our Decisions by Dan Ariely http://amzn.to/2x75UZh For more on longevity and conscientiousness, read The Longevity Project: Surprising Discoveries for Health and Long Life from the Landmark Eight-Decade Study by Howard S. Friedman, Leslie R. Martin http://amzn.to/1qVxMrR Heidi Grant Halvorson Ph.D. breaks down the mental science of achievement with Succeed http://amzn.to/181U9lK To understand the philosophy of Friedrich Nietzsche beyond Internet memes, read Thus Spoke Zarathustra: A Book for Everyone and No One http://amzn.to/2xgYbqm Music Theme – Chosen by Ross Bugden Astral by Nomyn https://soundcloud.com/nomyn Creative Commons — Attribution 3.0 Unported — CC BY 3.0 http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/ Music promoted by Audio Library https://youtu.be/C5OUN5OEBcs Reverie by Nomyn https://soundcloud.com/nomyn Creative Commons — Attribution 3.0 Unported — CC BY 3.0 http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/ Music promoted by Audio Library https://youtu.be/LRNX-lgE8mo Polaroid by extenz https://soundcloud.com/extenz Creative Commons — Attribution 3.0 Unported — CC BY 3.0 http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/ Music promoted by Audio Library https://youtu.be/YnipBtKvnAo

Welcome to my life to the supplied episode 283. Being that tonight and tomorrow is Huff husband the birthday the beginning of the hundred and sixtieth birthday of the Deborah Sharp. So we'll be focusing on that. It's also met Hashanah Centennial a hundred years of the out of the lab Richard's historical stuff for a Spate of shinpei five, six eight. Oh five seven zero and the day of business. This program is especially dedicated by it's called Malaya and rivka. We could buy throttle and their children Ruth Cole and Michael and especially in honor of the Rebel rishab. Before we get into it. Let me just make a few announcements. There's some new developments. So the request of many of you we tried to have my life's has applied on every possible platform. We have it on YouTube. We have it on other podcasts. You can subscribe to the anyway, it's all free now. 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You can also ask any question that you'd like to ask a completely anonymously on the Forum there as well as view archived programs. As well as all the essays from all the years of the essay contest plus as I said other resources. So with that let's go to Huff casual have Cashman V Chabad Rabbi Deborah Sharp from The Bell the son of the middle son of the Rebel marash so was born at half husband the year tough risk of olive. So this would be the beginning of the hundred and sixtieth year of the Deborah shop. I take the cue from the Devil Himself and tough shit men, which was the beginning of the huh. In 20th year that are burp spoke at length about a hundred and twenty years even though it would really tough shit Mama love would be the end of the day the real hundred and twentieth birthday, but the beginning of it begins now, so that's a milestone as I mentioned. It's also the fact that this year is a centennial when the debit the Centennial of any of that are beIN some excited can't of Shanghai evolved the same with the other eye beam. But remember this was a major milestone. So this year you can say is a very unique career connected to the Lebanon shop. Of course closer Home and Away all that. I've been my close to home but closer to our generation the Rebels the sea is 70 years ago tough Chanute and the river Afridi kateb assume leadership again a hundred years ago. So you have a hundred years 70 years and other Milestones that hundred and sixty beginning of the hundred and sixtieth birthday. So let's talk about that a brush a bit, especially that the concept of To the supplied my legs to the supplied that MBA shot plays a key role, of course in the dissemination of students but one that eberron shop is called the Llama facilities as the physical web explains because like the damn bomb. He took color Terry took hold on targeted and organized it in very accessible and user-friendly way is a my words, but that's the gist of it that have been adopted the same all the struggles of cities that altitude above course established and developed. By the mid layer abandoned some exotic Nanda Maharaj the rubber sharp gathered all together not just gathered but explained it and especially the to him Shake him some involve and even more so and I am base and what is the theme of I am base Cassatt as it's somewhat exotic said when the leper Richard was born that to cast to cast two levels of custard cough husband officer shot a viscosity the 20th of husband and the year to flourish cadfael of which is also spelled kisser. Which in Aramaic acid with an olive ever met Kirsten is kisra kiss Lila the two levels of cassette as the lab explains the very powerful seeker and but Shabbos passerby yadav has Interruption ma'am Zion, which is printed already in edited by the devil and say for a secret stuff. She remembered Zion he explains that length the connection between the two buttons brief the whole point. Of course, it has the whole point of Kabbalah. The whole point of Taylor you can say is to be an interface is to teach us. How to interface between the Divine and existence and this is the central theme of I am base that begins with cassette and throughout the Hampshire has said is the operative word which the kabbalistic term for interface for. Mimosa Mimosa between inside of and LM house and the brain that is always Maja - it was a big argument among the cabal. Mm that is documented and collected by the remark the most record the video and parties. She has a whole gate a char. That's cold in McKesson who are in stuff is Kessel ends of their workable is that felt it is ends of their companies that felt it's not this is explained in by a look some of which is based on momentum of the Civil Society based on the altar. That was my money. But someone said they can irritate in yharnam now printed is the basis of a look some evolve and explains this disagreement the comes that he's out and he's McCrea. He reconciles and says cast it up both elements test it as attic and I think is ends of the chain of events of the words of the result. The lower level of ends of and add it is rationed it solid the beginning of the emanations of the ten spheres of Achilles, but they're both within custard. That's what the ideas. I was Maja - why is this so relevant? Because in the interface of our divine with existence that dilemma is at some point God is ain't soft and even beyond the ends of existence is absolutely has a soft. We have a we have rameters and definitions. It defined limited world. So, how did can these two ever meet? So if s is a nice soft, we meet unto Customs answer about in some way. We have to shed that the personality that for the different defined and limited personality of existence if Jesse's night not in stuff. So then we tackle connect to a Divine Dimension but not to the highest levels of the Divine because casted is one of one of the shooters. Comes that is Allen says no, both are true. We can connect on both levels. We have the answer fanatic and we have the connection to existence in Arabic comes the debit rishabh in Hampshire cream base. And since we're just gonna brush up were honoring him with a piece of iron Bay's or he explains and ask the question, but the question is not fully answered. We're at taken out of meat question only carries over because I think anodic of I think represent sense of the infinite Divine that's called a Transcendence and added too far. It represents existence imminence where the two meet and The Liberation elaborate powerful way explains the concept of my custom. Oh, mr. Ma that there's the supra-conscious intelligence that that connects Attica. Not it because it travels between not economical has two levels and that's how we ultimately connect that through human beings imagination and a human beings mind. We can transcend our own emotional subjectivity and connect to something which is beyond. And us without annihilating ourselves and then we channel that into our imminent into our paninis. So basically cusses are Markieff, but in the market itself is the two levels there's one that's a Transcendence that relates to existence and I transcended as Beyond and hot mr. Ma which is the super conscious intelligence within each of us and also in the higher world makes that bridge If you want to learn more about it to go into I am base you going to the middle of Valium one where he talks about this basically the chapters 340 350 in those chapters so that the British are born on cough husband in the year kisra himself his date of his birth both the date of the month and the year reflects the essence of what he came to explain which is essence of all of considers that I'm of cities to bring the two together. The two levels of cancer which in essence brings together existence under Divine what it means in our personal lives is even if we in our mundane World in a mundane pedestrian lives were able to connect to the highest levels of transcendence without annihilating our personality and our existence how to do so of course has the entire evade of work of a person climbing the ladder the Stepping Stones through the entire Sensational sews from the lowest levels all the way up to the highest, but that Fusion is possible. Oh and the fullest possible way and as you learned especially in I am Bay's you learn exactly all that stepping stones and all the different interfaces of how we achieve that so here we honor the birthday of the Rebel Richard a hundred beginning of the hundred and sixtieth birthday. And in the year of the Centennial may have shown a hundred years from his tacos that what do we honor is what he taught us see this gave us the tools the issue is that that if little clever and the debit continue to develop and actually turn into a After collection plan of taking the highest levels of divine and bring them into existence and allowing us to relate to those levels. The second thing that I better shape did among many things but we'll just stick the two main ones is they start disastrous establishment of temperate Amendment essentially a breeding ground a training ground for an army Muhammad's base David. He ate some hums bass David an army, but not an army that would fight a physical War but a spiritual war. A war that would bring Judaism and the dynamic and passion and excitement of Yiddish kite in a relevant way to all corners of this world, which is the essence of your foot so many subtle whoosah spreading the Wellsprings to the outer side outskirts. And with the debit did was take the soldiers the men and women that educated in the education system that the Deborah shop initiated in time commitment and turned that blueprint of creating an interface as the letter says in the first my muscles are But you Clara Calum that I've run went around and showed everyone that Garland the world is really a Godly place. That is the mission. So we both have that philosophical and psychological underpinnings of it into this meaning the Scruff of the present the ideology of it and then also the implementation with the Yeshiva which actually trains and educate students to take this ideology and turn it into a practical. Urkel blueprint of practical application that each of us can live by each another on level and prepare the world from this year. And this is what we honor. Now I've spoken about how it has been in previous years and I'll give you some cross-references. I know for those that are listening podcasts and so on it may be difficult, but I still want to do cross references in case you want more information and those aren't episodes 88 138 187 and 233. So husband represents very powerful key date in the evolution and the development of a citizen especially in giving us the tools to do what we have to Pushing our mission and hence the connection to the supply my life has applied taking the debit our shop how we took all the cities channeled it and of course to the words of the 3D kadapa, and of course the debe the data she language that we can then now translate and present the people of all walks of life, even though that may not have all the background and knowledge and information and the deepest levels being that the question came and connected to debit our shop. Those are topic. I've talked It about but someone asked the question, so let me just quickly refer you to where I discussed it. This is the question about Debra shops visit the Sigmund Freud. I heard that the Deborah Sharp one spoke to Sigmund Freud was the Deborah shops. It has influenced by his meeting with Freud or any other psychological psychologist or philosopher. We know that the rambam was influenced by Aristotle. Is it also true that modern Jewish ideas are influenced by modern philosophers. Okay. So there's two parts to the question. First of all regarding the Deborah schadenfreude. I spoke about at length A number of times in episodes 91941 91942 address this detail as well. But I just want to make reference here like this that I obey him Arte de Taylor does not need not out of style and not Sigmund Freud and not any other thinker and philosopher to base its ideas. Nevertheless. Hakama blame Tommy there is call from Bagram. That's why you find in his little skittish operators that we use calculations at the Greeks or others made. Medicine developments in medicine astronomy and so on because there are humming there and there with wise people and therefore you can derive from it. But that is also part of how God planted his wisdom everywhere. But especially when it comes to our scoff of philosophy. No, we do not take Philosophy from from there there you could talk about medicine you can talk about astronomy astronomical mathematics astronomical calculations, but when it comes to our school food to our perspective on life, that's what Haters take this time. Now the fact that somehow come in the world Jewish or not. Jewish may have fallen upon certain ideas. I would say the other way around they took it from Taylor that is direct consciously or not consciously, but the ideas were planted into the world through Terra Nova de Elam and then therefore made it easier and there are people who articulated in a very powerful way I trade ideas. So I would not say that the Debra shop was influenced by Freud, especially when you know the details of the story when they're first pitch, specific reason connected to nerves connected to his hand and so on his arm and that and in Freud's advise them which I don't want to go into now because there's what we need when we want to use the time well, but look at those other episodes where I discuss it in detail, so no is not influenced that does not mean that we cannot read and see sometimes ideas that have parallels and sometimes language but the core idea is obviously all come from a tailor our approach from either Revelation or from the sacral of theta That I-beam and allcock meet Tommy the common throughout the generations and ages derive from but at the same time they come on it talks about up here and others who went to Shepherds and others to study because in order to figure out wasn't a do you need to know the nature of sheep the nature as I said astronomical calculations a native in mathematics physics and other things so there is that using it that ever has a very beautiful letter. It's printed in the cutest little Calico bass volume 12 in the his office station we talk Us about the different levels how association between Taylor and directed and how Taylor derive something from the wisdom of the so-called Holcomb assalam the wisdom of the world, but that is really going a little off the point. So let's now move on to the next this week is also partially a sudden. We talked about high certain number of times again episodes 88 138 187 and 233. But since there's one question that just came in connected to this. I'll focus on one high so does many lessons as always so we're going to talk about here's the question about avram's complete days. So there's a posture can list and this part in these parts are very powerful posture good says valve rum-soaked and Baba yamen. Avram aged and he came into his days. So of course the question is the redundancy if he aged that means he comes into his days. What does it add to say Bob by your drums are controlled by a human. So it says that of rums days were complete this writer writes and is explained that he filled his days and do not waste any time. Is that possible for ordinary people to live that way and if yes, what would it look like to have a complete day? Let me explain this a bit based on those Zoe Hart is that asked the question about the redundancy in this Parsha and says I've ROMs aachen talks about his chronological he aged. No, I've grown passed away at 175. But Baba Yaga meme is telling us he came in Tuesday's means he used every moment of his day. They were complete Days by Yamimash Layman is the language in the desert. He came with complete dates because you can have it you can you can live a hundred seventy five years. You can live a hundred and twenty years. You can live one year you can live one day and not necessarily that day was filled with content that the day was fully utilized. We waste a lot of time of Rome had no such a waste of time every Can was filled was accounted for so he didn't just age, but he came with complete days because it is explains every day is a larouche a beaut. That's why when you do amidst missiles that are connected to a day you can do the next day you can do to mix with some for example film or carbon over the on my bottle carbon if the carbon was not brought that day, you can bring it the next day. You can't dive in chakras one day for two days. Because Ed why the mitzvot? Why not you mister mister, you do the Mitzvah because it's not just the midst with the bitter and the refinement and the elevation of the day itself time itself needs to be refined. And yeah, and I've Rama V new refined every moment of his days. He came with complete days basically a day is energy. Just like space has its Dimension time as its they mention the energy of time. Every second is a life and of the second lead moves on that life is no longer available to you. So you either bring it to Life by doing something good or and there was sense that second becomes lifeless. Now the question how does it relate to us since it's a directive that comes from of rum our patriarch our grandfather a great-grandfather every my solve a similar Bond everything the others did the Patriarchs did is a lesson for us and have the office within us just as it says about my should have been so we have Rama V news my Victim witness fulfillment of time in the fullest sense of the word does it mean we can live 24/7 that way each person has to try we have to always say must say yeah. You we have to always ask. When will we reach my survey of Brahma Sutra Yankovic, when will our actions parallel and live up to the evade of the office? That doesn't mean we were always there might cover but it means means more cover meaning they were completely selfless and transparent Chariot and channel to the Divine but somewhere we each have to find that process Interruption. Llama don't have spoken about this a number of times coughs fought after the the delegations came from all over the world for the seams of the Secretary of mushiya huge fad that year 20 years from the rebels leadership 50 years ago. Basically the rebel spoke of Albanian before they were going in the different charts Israel and other places and he sends that they were all rushing because they were anticipating and they were eager to get to the airport. So the devil gave a talk about slogans man. Does the gist of it? I don't want to go through the whole thing because of limits of time was that as long as man means something he heard from the field. They could have that wherever you are in that moment be there completely. Even if you're five minutes from now, you're going to go somewhere else right. Now. This is you have to live in that moment. So living in the moment is a taste of the Baba Yaga meme of of Rama V know which means each of us. We wasted enough time. Each of us can take each day and say, you know what? I'm going to focus on being a little more Bubba Yeoman dick. I'm not The led the day pass I'm going to make sure every day has content in it. They filled with Toyota learning. They filled with mistress with prayer with Dominique with helping another and the more you do it. The more seconds that you do it the more minutes. You do it the more hours you do it the more your day becomes filled you bring to life the life that you're given. So a moment is given to you. It's a life if you use it. It's it would love a lives on forever. Even though it was just a moment if you don't use it, God forbid. It's like a lost opportunity so I can everything we have to look for my Ain. How can we in some way live up to this standard? That's the lesson the importance of time time management. Okay. Now there are a few questions that came in that were connected to last week's pasture. I don't want to wait till next year. So I decided I'll address some of them and there's one is going to be now here and then there's another one will do another to will do in the city this questions. treatment of the poor how does the mistreatment of the poor by his dome which was the last week's chapter compared to some Behavior today where the person writes is the rabbi Jacobsen? Thank you so much for your enlightening and Frank weekly show you your room in last week's partial. We learned that one of the Grave offenses of the people of Saddam was their treatment of the poor. How does this compare with the current laws in some cities that ban begging and the homeless camping on sidewalks and in Parks. I heard of one place that even gave citations to those who give money to Street beggars. To me this is this part of the pressure speaks directly to this issue. I would appreciate your thoughts on this. Thank you so much. Okay. So first of all, we have to make one major qualification Saddam was a truly Wicked city of the likes that we don't see often or at all. And that's why they were destroyed. So as bad as we may be in our times are any time Saddam was very unique in the way. They mistreated the poor. It wasn't just regulating. It was true abuse the fullest sense of the word a selfish. Narcissistic City Wicked cruel corrupt city, not just The poor how they treated guests how they treat anybody. So that's important to that does not mean we don't take out lessons from it because the fact that the third tells us is I mentioned everything in the tail is a lesson, but I just want to make that qualification. So we have a tayden halacha how we treat the poor. First of all the whole tale is based on because it of Roma Vino had an open tent. How can also soften inviting guests and you doesn't say what type of guess everyone is welcome. Obviously when I talk about someone dangerous Etc because then you have to protect yourself just as a qualification. So the idea of the docket is based on and initiated and originates in tired by Rama VII losses Doc amishman and last week's passion and it becomes part and parcel of one of the greatest mid-surface schooler connected kilometers. Dhaka is compared to like if you put it on a scale it's darker is equal the weight of all other myths And I can go on and on about the virtues of Charity charity means to not just in spiritual charity. Also material charity people who have less. And as a matter of fact, that's why God created people have less so there should be some residents Sherry as doing was the antithesis of that. So when we now look at our own behavior today and our cities and stay United States in general is a benevolent country. Very charitable charitable has all kinds of benefits whether it's welfare or food stamps or rent control or other things that benefit those that are less fortunate. Help them get on their feet things are unprecedented. In other countries once did not exist. Others have learned from America at the same time. We're not perfect but plenty of faults. And yes, there are places where people don't mistreat the poor. What do you do with the homeless what happens when this crime so I can't go into now an elaborate comprehensive approach. But if you take the taters compassionate approach to people it's absolutely everything antithetical to this day. So yes, when we see certain cities perhaps being severe we have to look at it. Is it coming from a compassionate place isn't coming from an inappropriate place. I would need to know exactly what is going on what we're talking about. I know I've read it as well. Is it something that's based on governmental? Instructions or is it people hurting those that are more needy and so on but in general speak to General? Yes, we can learn from this Dame the crimes of how not to behave when it comes to strangers and comes to the needy come to the part of the impoverished people of poverty the poor and also learn from the tailor the positive lessons. So yes, we can learn much from it and obviously compassion and it's duck is always can always increase and yes, there are times we read About unfortunately laws that probably should be modified. But you have to also remember if the protect the citizens while you're also helping the poor. That's why we have shelters helping people get on their feet get jobs because unfortunately often what happens is many times places of poverty and slums can also turn out to be dead ends of crime. So you need to know how to balance it all because you want to protect everybody even the poor themselves from each other at the same time being compassionate, but We would need to hear more details and read speak about more details to really specifically State this but thank you for that. I also want to refer you to episode 262. Okay, let's move now to a new series of questions. Since this is timely we'll talk about it lessons from the impeachment hearings. So we all know headlines everywhere impeachment Harry impeachment hearings in the House of Representatives trying to impeach inquiring and that the impeaching President Donald Trump. So the question is what lessons can we learn from the current impeachment hearings? Here's how the personal Hydra beasts women with impeachment hearings now going public which means first it was Private then it went public. I was hoping you could share a lesson of a discussion that we can learn apply from this. A lesson from the serving God that we can learn and apply from this now initially. I first thought I wouldn't address this because but on the other hand we know from the Baal Shem Tov that ever repeated it so many times everything you see in here is as rock approach. This is Divine Providence and has lessons. So let me just throw out some thoughts and I would love to hear if any of you have some thoughts. First of all, there's of course the whole Despicable partisan and the polarization of this country from the moment Trump was elected. There was a Talk about impeachment. That does not mean but mr. Trump President Trump does everything is perfect far from it. But so with every president no one's perfect. And now everyone has their mistakes and everyone has probably thinks that if you really want to get them you can probably defensive I possible impeachment offenses because as they say keep saying it's not a legal matter impeachment. It's a political matter. So of course a party that is against the president whether it was the Republicans against Clinton or in other situations, Nixon was it was going to be impeached but he resigned that ever 175 bring another presidents did the same thing or worse, but it was not known or was not caught. This doesn't justify crimes and doesn't justify things. But you have to remember that when crimes are done. Some of them are not so serious. Some are more serious than others and often a lot of politics goes into it. So the first lesson is that morality and ethics are not necessarily based on political agendas. Political agendas can be about who should be in power could be about personality clashes. Clearly. Mr. Trump is hated by many people especially in the Democratic party and they try to do anything possible to bring them down. Now, they find something may have some legitimacy may not have legitimacy. I'm not going to come to any conclusions you here if you go into the media, you'll hear both are some say there's no basis for it. The whole thing is a Witch Hunt some say there was a little basis, but it's Overblown and some of course who are behind it say this is the biggest crimes and misdemeanors. I will not pass judgment. I will say as an observer and watching that it's quite despicable in general because clearly even those that are the most extreme against you clearly see it's a personal matter you clearly see it's more than just right and wrong because it was right and wrong would have to be consistent across the board and I cannot say I trust that what I say the opposite Republicans were three being the others they would be trying to attack the president. Possible that's also possible this subjective people and I'm not taking a side of the Republican Democrats here. We're talking about these impeachment hearings. So to me the first thing we have to recognize especially those of us that that let me correct myself not especially those all of us. Well we have to learn is that we have to Rise Above This don't get caught up in the politics and the debates because it's dirty. It's personal it's subjective on both ends. And in truth, I don't see here a crime that it considered to be what they first called treason and then they call all kinds of different things. There was he inappropriate should have done it. The other presidents do it. You have to weigh everything if everyone has done something similar. So what's going on here exactly. So clearly it's personal. So I think it's the first lesson is to step back and realize this is not objective since it's not objective. It's a lesson in life. We should not pass judgment because this is not a moral question here. This is a political one whether you want to be bombed involved in politics is your business. I don't want to be and I always remind myself of the story with abusive by digit of it and I actually told that the day when OJ Simpson was acquitted because I was being interviewed and was editing them keep it and even keep a tough skin tone. Hey, I was being interviewed about my book tour and meaningful life. So they had told me beforehand since the OJ OJ verdict came out. No one's going to be interested in the book. Even though it's a good book Let's push over the interviews. I said no, I'll talk about that. And I remember sharing this story. I said while the whole world is so up in arms and everybody's taking sides about OJ Simpson and his verdict and was a polarization then as well. I said many thousands hundreds of thousands of Jews are preparing for the holiest day of the year the day of atonement Yom Kippur and I told the story that Lisa. A digital standing by the omelet VM keep it or one of the yamuna dream davenic before he started discovering his car that she said the prussians say that the Prussian King is the greatest the Russians say the Tsar is the greatest the French say the emperor is their Emperor's the greatest and I Livi it's of Masada. Social say says his card will be his God - made a bow made up a great great the name of God. So I think this teaches us to realize there's the actions of men my see they are dumb that they which are sometimes Petty small-minded political agendas hidden agendas open agendas. So we have to step back that's lesson number one and realized we shouldn't be part of The Fray. We have a higher calling to live up to so we look at this and we should see it as part of that. That's lesson number one. That's number two. Is on a more specific level that everybody deserves to be judged fairly. It should not be a political thing. This is already getting involved in it isn't being judged fairly or is it simply because the House of Representatives has a majority if they didn't have the majority they could not even have proceeded. So what are we talking about that since you have more power are you being just So it's a good lesson in Justice. What is Justice can we expect from these people to be just I sometimes feel you can't because they have their agenda and they're just going as a train. And again, I would say this either way. The question is about these impeachment hearings. I would say it exactly the opposite way if it was a president from the opposite party that's lesson. Number two lesson number three is what this world is so consumed with look what it's consumed with. This is the headlines. I mean, I know it's someone an extension of Point number one that I made this is the headlines. It's entertainment industry. It's entertainment for most There's going to be an election next year people will vote. So they're positioning and jockeying and and pivoting in order to either put jump in a good light or in a bad life. So what is this world involved in such? What is it? Well, that's what the headline should be. The headline should be is how we bring. Mushiya how we transform the world and bring the divine's of the world. The headline should be called crashing that we have here a blueprint of how to transform the world and turn it took real world. Peace, you know all the major Is that are important to people that important to human lives? I asked myself what difference does it make to my family to your family to your children? All these stuff. So this is what they think is the most important thing is that affecting anybody's family and our education our children growing up in a healthier environment and so on so that's lesson number three. I'm sure there are more lessons but these are the things that come to mind and however turns these lessons are vulgar are vital and relevant and that's what should be the attitude. Now as far as what President Trump himself he is the president of the United States was elected and that has a certain Divine element to it live long. Not lame lock him Asylum be either sham the heart of kings and and ministers is in the hand is in the the other shame in the hands of God and we want God to direct our leaders to be more benevolent to be more compassionate to be good for the human race for the American people for the Jewish people for Israel. So that's how we have to look at it as mr. Trump living up to that Legacy. Is he good for the welfare of people? Is he good for the Jewish people which when you're good to the Jews are good to the world and others as well. And that's the key thing that we have to so when I look at this I say, so what's going on they're trying to be why don't you look at the whole record of his what has he done? But that again is not on the table. You find one flaw, even if it's a real flaw, that's only become the dominant element. Why don't you let the American people Why don't you uh, why don't you advertise yourself campaign that people know your positions and let people on the merits decide. Are they respecting the people? That's another question. Another lesson. Isn't this a Democrat democracy where people elect and vote? So you want to influence by all means put up advertisements but using impeachment seems like a low a load a lowball tactic of trying to hurt the president because you can't hurt him in the economy or in other ways. So those are my thoughts and this is not a pro-trump statement. It's looking at in a Fair Way. Whoever would be sitting in that seat. I wouldn't say exactly the same thing under the same circumstances. I want to make that very clear. Okay, if anybody has any further thoughts on this topic, please it's on the table and let's hear lessons lessons that we can learn as I said, I'm sure there are many other lessons, especially when you get into the Nitty Gritty, but let's move on to the next question. So since we're on this topic, the next question saw someone writes about is it appropriate to recite the blessing on a king when we see the president of the United States. I saw a video recently are some people set up Brock on the president with hashem's name. The shame of Marcus isn't part of the idea of a king that he has the power of life and death and a president only has the power of life. He can commute a part in the death sentence, but he can't give the death sentence to an America. Question is whether it's a broccoli bottle or not. Basically, is it appropriate to make a block like that or not? So let's talk about a few points here. First of all, this question has been raised not just now remember this is not the first president of the United States is the 45th president. There are also presidents and leaders of other countries. So the question has been raised by poskim in the past and let's just all just cite some of them the general consensus is just to get to the conclusion that it's not the dinner vermelha her president. And I'll just point out that when Trump visited President Trump visited Israel number of years ago. This was asked by the rabbi's there and Robin are and some others came out and said no. So let's first start with a did what's the did the Gomorrah and baracus and don't have some and I love 58 a says that everyone who's anyone who sees a king of the nation should say the brachot books are no Sonic faded the boss of Adam Baruch Hashem who came along there was an awesome afraid that he gave His glory is honor to a person of flesh and blood if it's a mellow a king in Israel. You shall collect McFadden the array of so different person a different bra. the halacha rambam and whose Brokers you during Olive and Sean Connery camera shoved all crash site is gamora's absorbed in question is was asked when Trump came to Israel should one go and make that broccoli. They see him a secondary question. And that is that the other thing is also that you should pursue and look for a king to try to see a king and make this block. So regarding both things the answer was no by the consensus. There are some exceptions. I mentioned that shortly and the key points made was that what is that what the dinner vermelha so some say that a melek must be absolute. Everything is in his hands and complete power including obviously. Yeah, so this can you say that about a president? This is some artists came name of safer - Kyle Hill has brought assessment test and Shall Serve a salad bars. Olive wreaths a dick move. A president does not have such absolute power. First of all, he's elected second of all he there's oversight irrelevant. Now whether political agendas are so so based on that is not the din of a mellow. Another say in order for them to be a den of a Melody has to have the power. Yes that as the questioner asks life and death not just life but also death. That's the shops of service. I'm safer it. Hi. I'm Simon Koo from test 159. The president does not have that power. Even though is the part the part of Pardon, but he's not the power to kill it based on a whim or based on just his decree. Okay, some say the bell of to make the broccoli has to be dressed in the in kingly garments used to be dressed like a king. That's a shops and services covered ass baseball Custom Shop service and hug is basically from a test tube has 100 biscuit limit test. Then there's also an opinion that the seed to make this blessing the bell of has to be but take her for - to be with his entire Entourage. That's also from those same sources. So that's why many have passed content not just about President Trump are other presidents, but it's Sadat or other presidents and leaders of their country. Even those that more power technically that the data didn't melt it and therefore you don't make the broker. The question is do you make the broth without shame and mouse without Basham El Que? No, La ilaha. Illa just barakatuh. Genomic faded was overdone. So the Morgan of ramen children out of their does talk about ministers that are appointed by the king. Do we make that and some say that you don't make that, you know makes animals, but you may go the bras from the altar Debbie because he doesn't say it and actually I'll try but doesn't even bring about the malorum of Israel because of mushy are there's no medicine is installed today, but the out there but just mentions the kings of the Nations, but it does not mention this thing, but that make Mishima mark So from that, it appears that it doesn't hold that way. This is in the alter rebbe in his office in Louisville house and then at the end the last section. Okay, so based on all this. I must qualify that above the rdas of they say I looked it up. I'm not sure if there's a hundred percent but it seems so that were no President Obama came to Israel. He said they should make they should pursue to see him and make the broker but it doesn't I don't know if he said the same amount goes are not meeting with hashem's name. So that's that's not clear from what I looked up. Anyway, so based on all of this is clear that we are certain how locus of that without applied to this situation in general if it's us I think those are Miller we're not know for sure whether it's a mellow because that can be up to interpretation. So in general stuff across local if you have a doubt you don't make up a rock because Brock is generally your you don't you're not mock me you make them. Okay? I think that covers that I just want to add liquid goes to the mill, sir. But kadish a safer or tree I letter written by the middle of debits printed Nassif will call the country is called bad kadish the middle elaborate when he was are being arrested and the informers one of the things that he was rebelling against the king. So in the Batcave the she writes about this thing about the fact that a king not only do we honor him, but we also make a blessing. Eddie quotes the blessing there that explains in the footnote there why we say halak by mL of his role holic McVeigh day and by non-jewish King. We say no stomach for a day. Now that's as an aside, but I just wanted to mention that but there were talking about the tsar and the Czar was clearly a king as the din of a mellow and then you do Tucker didn't make the broccoli because remember the Brock is not dependent whether it's a good king or not a good King who is a king. There's Brock has made so that covers at least the below the this subject matter if anybody has more information, they like to add as always please submit and I'll be happy to share. Okay now since we're on this topic, so here's another question. That's somewhat related not completely related. The question is about non-jews in general. Our non-jews created in the Divine image but cell Emily came when God said NASA other bits are may know that will create a human being in our image in God's image does Adam here include non-jews what exactly selam aleykum is divine image. That's one question. Okay. Another related question is do non-jews have a soul. Hello, Robbie Jackson. Thank you so much for your wonderful weekly lessons. They bring so much inspiration and teaching to a world hungering for truth and meaning I've heard that the rebbe said that the non-jews have a Divine Soul. Can you teach us more about it? What is the root of this Soul does the root of this so different from the source of the Jewish Divine solemn of so, how does it become a clothed in the body? What does it strive for can a non-jew loses the violence all due to improper actions. Thanks so much. So I have a This at length, especially in episode 85, but I will also give you some other 31 100-120 to 178 190 to 210 and 281. Now nevertheless I will share a few words on this topic. So there was a pretty decent option half a 1960 with college students as the Deb about this and the rebels said they said they heard from their Professor block all of us home that he said they don't have a Divine Soul the Rebus said tell mr. Blood. Tell the Professor black he's wrong. They have a Divine spark. It's just different than the Jewish one and this is based on a tasteless and outside cute in the quickly. See if Escuela que GMO. I'm 13 is a whole bunch of footnotes that really help understand this whole subject and Page 230. But briefly. Yes. They were all created in the Divine image. Everybody is sake of avoid them should never have it sell them cavor them should never tell them which means that that precious is the person who's created with Selma that came then it says could even use rahl-si-nee crime Bonham amok and their children a creamy sauce in it to him. Click on the Taylor. So clearly everyone every human being on Earth is created with Zell Miller came and comes from other men have It's another this question of the app vehicle by punishments crime of chapter 2 in Tanya based on the Zoe Hart. How how does that apply to everybody? So there's a reason on the matter which says because at that time before contacted us would have all been coming from from on with only business show mrs. Stall, but I spoke about that in previous episodes. So the bottom line is they have a Divine spark. That's why we they can be expected to fulfill the server the seven noahide laws which lived to live up to their Destiny and calling and that's why the end of the Hells Angel has malakand. What does he conclude Mall orders day of session and the whole world will be filled with Divine knowledge as the waters cover the sea voice of color Alam and The Business of the world will be The years ago an elder sister shampoo, but only to know God this is referring also to non-jews because they have the Divine image. What is divine image mean that you have a Divine calling that you have a Divine component within you to fulfill God's mission in this world now animals and Samaria to Mayor and Damon on created by the Divine, but you don't say their butts element like him. They don't have free. Will they don't have ethical obligations to The world they follow the guidelines the orders the program if you wish the way God created them but human beings including non-jews have kid especially in the laws and ethical laws that they're responsible for. So that's the sort of it. And as I said look up those other places where I elaborate it much longer at that on this topic, okay. Next topic completely new topic. The question is should I be bothered by my spouse speaking to people of the opposite gender? Can my wife have to do with other men? Hi, I recently got married and I love my wife and I'm very overprotective of her. It bothers me when she speaks or has anything to do with other men. It makes me feel like I'm not special and it bothers me for her to have a relationship or significant connection to any man besides family what expectations am I allowed to have and in which cases am I asking for too much? I asked both in regards to morally And in regards to our from couple who follow Toyota Exodus, okay. So I discuss this as well. I'll give you the episodes after I answer the answer is yes, let's begin with how La Cantera which is goes hand-in-hand with moral when a husband and wife get married is a sacred sacred relationship between them and therefore their exclusive to each other and over socializing with other the other gender whether it's a man with other women or a woman with other man is not appropriate. Now people go to work. They work with other men. So there are a lot less for these matters because you could not to be alone with anyone else. behavior that is modest Professional but to have a social relationship or any emotional is absolutely not acceptable now to really determine what is that it's a, you know, you're working with somebody and there's a friendship there a professional friendship. Where's the line that you need to talk to other of if you have any questions, but there are lines that are the talks about lines of how to interact you go out to lunch and dinner just alone or with other people at work. So there are guidelines that we have for all these matters not going. Through all the guidelines because I need to hear the situation generally speaking. If a spouse feels uncomfortable the other person over socializing with other opposite gender and respect for the spouses enough reason now, whether there's sometimes people are over obsessive every little thing you go to work and you're always jealous or always thinking what's going on there. So that may be the case, but that still doesn't mean that the person is doing the right thing. So that's the case that has to be looked at again Case by case, but I would advise to the questionnaire here is to speak to a must be here to speak to someone you trust share with them the circumstances also the good to hear what the spouse has to say. No, sometimes they're not aware. Sometimes they think it's nothing maybe it is something and it's not should not be left ignored because things like this can grow and sometimes we much bigger and you start obsessing and it's always healthy to address these matters, but not be obsessive really be open to hear an objective opinion whether you're Concerned or maybe your concerns are correct and remedy it in a beautiful kind and peaceful way not through accusations and not through a tax because that usually does not help even if it's a legitimate concern the best way is to do this at a tax issue away and I look at morality in this context from a tater perspective. I don't know what's going on in the world that's outside of Teta. They have their own standards that are not necessary standards. I would consider moral but withdrawing from a potato decision point of view this is the approach to take An episode 33 104 and 105 I discussed this somewhat more in detail some more angles and more aspects to it. Okay, a Associated question is appropriate how much of a relationship should one have with his wife's younger sisters appropriate relationships were going in-laws how much of a relationship a brother-in-law have with his wife's younger sisters? Generally speaking. No, no relationship at all the word relationship means some type of relationship. You are there your other brother-in-law. They're your sisters in loss of the of course. There's the family aspect you see each other cords cordial, but why should they be a relationship beyond that? Could only create confusion and I said relationship. Does that mean ignoring relationship means that you're developing relationship? You're going out or doing some other things. I have to understand what the relationship is, but my understanding of it is that it shouldn't be a relationship. It should be the Azalea wife's younger sisters and they have their lives you celebrate their simplest you invited to events and so on but it's not personal. Now when I say not personal doesn't mean it's not personal, of course, it's like brothers and sisters as the sisters of your wife. So it's personal to her but it's not personal to you more than necessary. So yes if they come and ask for help they come for help help me find the job. Obviously you do that even for a stranger but anything more than that to the other question itself implies more than that. You have to be very careful because there are how long has there are laws about these matters and you don't want to create any confusions and so on. We also know for example when two brothers married two sisters. They're not even supposed to live in the same city. Because of confusion and so on and boundaries so that just tells you the care that has to be taken especially when it's family members. Okay. So one more question then we'll do follow-up the see this question. Okay. We got some more things to cover yourself. This question again is come in but I have to apologize and I don't know if I apologize the right word. But then many since we're already an episode 283 you can assume that a lot of topics have been addressed at length relatively so though I want the address all questions. I cannot repeat everything I've said so that's why I cross reference and the next one goes in that category. It's a controversial question. This is a question that has bothered me for many years. How do we explain controversial Behavior by our heroes and antenna? learning about David ml he actually sounds I don't want to say what the person wrote here, but sounds like involved with women. I honestly find it disturbing I think about this every time I say to him on Shabbos move or and then we have Slimmer milk with a harem of many women. How is this in any way? Okay, how was he allowed to build the base emitter. So actually that far back in episode 271. I addressed it relatively at length and it's a very good question and at the end of the day down below. We know that Slimmer Miller and David emmel reprimanded for this and they actually were not allowed to do so. It's because of what they had done in the sukham. It says it was inappropriate but the end of the day that's a dick in part of them. You have to explain that Tatum in Tibet is billion a mammogram as his buttock pain that is some spiritual level. There was a certain understanding of what they were trying to do, which was not Because they had sexual pleasures or they had typhus and desires but it was for some spiritual reasons that still does not legitimize the actual actions down below. It just means that there may have been a Cavani that's a deeper qivana anyway, because I spoke about it. I don't want to address it again. I did want to ask the question but please go to episode 271. I also don't like to ask a question and answer. That's why I'm assisting to go to episode 271 and consider that just like I've said it right now. Okay. A follow-up. The follow-up I'm going to do now is on social anxiety. This was last week's episode 282 Dear Abby Jacobs and thank you for your weekly enlightening videos on the topic of social anxiety. You recently discussed as Ashley a and a person who has social on the time the nigun is wrong. Let me start again and the topic of social anxiety you recently discussed as Ashley F and a person who has social anxiety. I would like to share the following I found myself struggling with this issue, especially during the kinases look, Just coming up next week weekend. And when coming to Crown Heights for symphysis for celebrations occasions, the majority of the social settings I encounter, I don't feel the anxiety as acutely because I see those people on a regular basis when joining a yearly event. However, oh a meeting with people I see infrequently. That's when the feeling of loss isolation coupled by anxiety takes hold one useful tip that works for me when entering those settings I try to spot someone who's sitting alone a participant tool. Suspect may not know many people there and strike up a casual conversation beginning with a smile and a friendly hello for the vast majority of time. This seems to work for me. I feel that me being focused on making someone else feel comfortable distract me from my own discomfort and now and allows me to engage in a safe social interaction at the same time which in turn builds up my confidence. That's love. Well, thank you very much. It's an excellent suggestion and now we included in the Canon of the Discussion on social anxiety last week's episode with that. Let us go to the students question, which is actually two questions, but I believe I'm going to move one to next week because of the time limitations. So one question is question is I'll dress the first one and then deal with the next one. Both of them are connected the partial evaluator last week's the passion we read yesterday. So the 1 is connected to Taylor are so the writer writes. In the port Miami personally all from Taylor are which is partial evaluator. So it says that the soul is one with the body unites with the body and we see it when the body gets hurt and the Soul feels the pain. How do we know that is the solder feels the pain may be just the body. This is the lotion that you found that nefesh Miss Paul mimicry. Hey goof from the sensations of the body. The soul also feels them. That's the question. So first of all, if there's no soul there's no feelings. Remember that God forbid a corpse a dead body has no feelings of this pain. There's no one's feeling it feeling is the son of Life are the soul and the body. So on a very personal level simple level pain means that the soul is also part of the process. It's originating from the body, but the body lets people to speak on a scientific level. The nerves are alive and the nerves you feel the pain and the nerves speak to this through the mind to the soul. So the soul has a cessation in that sense. Even if it's not originating from the soul, but on a deeper level if you look in the my modern. So that the explanation why how is it possible to souls affected by the body? Soul is completely different reality. But here's the key is that the tremendous Kiddush is that God put the soul into the body that they have a complete United relationship. That's oxidants brings this mimicry. That's why it's that way. So the soul on its own you can look at it like something like sunlight which we'll talk about in a moment should not be affected at all. That's why looks it is brings the example of oil and Chef. Ah, what's the difference in the inertia for light and the flow? Shuffle across Paul from a teacher to student the teachers affected by the student the student affects the teacher the student is affected by the teacher when you talk about light, let's say sunlight Sun just shines automatically. It doesn't affect the sun. It shines everywhere. It doesn't affect the sun whether the sunlight goes in the garbage pile or in the palace. So now is it is brings a second muscle the muscle of an Islamic group. That's also then the summer radiates automatically doesn't have to make effort and it radiates into the body and it does not affect the the soul. So if the body for example, let's say I'm Ava one of the limbs is weak. The soul is not weakened because of it. So the energy doesn't flow into it. Just like if you put up a curtain the sun doesn't flow and yet there's something in the Marshal with the national champs, but never is but go of the city says that the sun is better in the Marshall. It's a better Marshall regarding the idea in the Detachment. But you also want to explain that the highest of the key the Divine Divine energy also enters and permeates and I are paneer me and Shout son. Is their Market. Pretty me how do we need saw this because we see the souls affected by the events of the body. That's these options the alter rebbe explains this in a few places firstly in the quantitative bajar 40 to a and they surfaced of a ikura love and emotional cost basis crying 50 to see there's a member of be revealed Mathis topic of Summer base, especially in the NACA of remission, the second-hand Market where it says these words that the pain of the body is felt by the The mind some places it says it's filled by the soul. This is also cited in in Shadow organization in a detainer Pinterest page 1081 and safer heat of the summer setting 95 a now. So what we have here is like this the sun is completely detached then the shaman the Goof the nefesh in the Gulf is detached on one end because it's all does not have to make an effort and it's not affected by Illuminating the body or not and yet there's more of deeper his lobsters because it's are pretty me and that's why it's affected. The soul actually is affected and touched by the pain or all the sensations of the body. And then of course, there's a stops has that's completely like Chef Eva which it's completely impacted. So in a sense Never Should glow of is a muscle that explains one dimension of how the Divine interact with existence that has a something that the sun example doesn't work. Well for and the opposite the sun example works better in a different area as I explained now share submit successful interestingly. He says the following Says the follow he brings this concept. This isn't a chapter 34 says materials page 136 be he brings that that day at that. That one it's not just to how other alone even though the Jetsam of the neshamah is not affected. So it's not just that then this the part of the soul that influences the body that energizes the body is not just a reflection like sunlight. It's more hush pause more like Chef Eva because it did its invested. These always pasta strainers work of any data out of lava. That's not only reflection the in came voice. I never dismissed by Ellis called cockamamy Craig of then the Soul would not be affected that much by the sensations of the body. Goodbye Howard. It's not that way something that's just a reflection of light is not affected by the place where it's shining into of the Soul was just like that's not that way. So in that sense, the soul is more of more invested in more involved. I should say involved is the right word, but then he goes on to say the following. That this David still needs explanation. You still need explanation. Because even by her out of this changes according to the Kalin, for example, the windows open or for windows closed he put up curtains and so on. She could still say the Shinobi mom inside the Calum not beside the nefesh. Well, okay tomasa nefesh my spells Mickey Goofy yesterday. Yes, it will Canal. So he's basically saying that from the fact that the nefesh is affected by the pain or the sensations of the body tell you it's not just a reflection. The cytosine became self-conscious but I is Will Graham Campbell ocean on now, so you see here that this is something that needs more explanations. I'm ecstatic. I will also add that there seems to be somewhat of also another explanation that maybe contradiction even in other by modern in some involve in the beginning of coercion. A lot of stuff is Simon's Ian and also by Allah some involve which is actually the First Unitarian page 176 and also editing your page 147 148. And what does it say there there? It says something very different. That that when we say the Memphis is affected the spirit the soul is affected by the sensations of the body is only the faculties of the nefesh. But not the fact that the Ed Semana fish is connected to the body is something equal and does not have any changes. That's what it says there. So there you could say that the interpretation is more not that the nefesh is the faculties of the soul that are affected as I said this needs more human. This is some of the information the second question exceed. This was about the mimer is Jacques. So I'll address that next week. We do the three essays now. We always conclude with the three essays of essay contest 2019. So the first one is big God and little me Hindi literature and age 17 Atlanta Georgia students in lavas girls high school Chicago a vast desert stretches endlessly before on the same scenery stretches in all directions for Miles She begins his forehead shines with respiration and is parched mouth you ins for a drink of water. And he's big turns up to heaven and says help me find my way God help me find a way to get out of this desert. This is an analogy. four It continues I'm sorry as after conclude them analogy. So finally even though after beginning to doubt whether God will answer to his prayers. He sees a village ahead. He notices a commotion turning to the first person he met he asked what had happened a group of challenges came to our village a few hours ago. They had been traveling through the desert when a group of Bandits attacked them. They were beaten and robbed of everything. The Lost traveler was shocked. He realized that that was his group. The group had been separated from he had been spared from terrible tragedy. So goes on basically discuss that sometimes feels that they've terrible situation and in truth. There's a lot of good within it. How do we find good in that? Life even when it doesn't seem that way looking at the intention of things looking at the deeper purpose and meaning and the power of prayer to reveal that deeper good. That's the gist of it with a practical conclusion. Okay. Next essay is cultivating an identity within the framework of Exodus Advocate 817 as well, Los Angeles, California Student Earl Hannah High School, Los Angeles. We're all on a lifelong journey of figuring out who exactly we are what speaks to us. And what we identify with but what if to say what is the say about cultivating a healthy self identity one that expresses our individuality without curtailing our potential the objective of this essay is to demonstrate how considerate philosophy provides powerful tools for embarking upon this the lifelong journey of self-discovery and personal growth more specifically this essay will outline how cultivating an identity within the framework of Exodus is not an oxymoron, but unattainable reality. She goes on to do this exactly that using the Kinder socialism as an example talking about identity within the context of Exodus. Well done, very original very interesting and of course leading us to the soul and the essence of the solute leadership and nefesh beautiful essay and finally essay number three for today. It's not about you Mehndi halberstam 837, Miami Beach, Florida. It's a misnomer appliances or practical. So this is one of the same thing is there really such a thing as credits which is not practical but is instead theoretical hypotheses regarding our Chemin spirituality. I think not and goes on to basically do exactly that takes to this and explain how it is relevant to each one of our lives. And using Tanya as an example different themes and Tanya this essay comes down to that. It's not all about you that there's something greater that we have to live up to and that's not just a theory. It's a practical way that affects your world in every aspect of it another world on essay as the other two are so thank you for that. So with that we conclude this week's episode 283 of my life because it has supplied everyone should have a very Beloved husband, they celebrate the Deborah shop and citizen General and we shouldn't should finally be Zeta even before her husband your foot sir - Circle Hoots. Ah, and Michelle told about Shem Tov awesome our democracy her. That's when he will come. 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Don't have enough time to sit down and read all the best Bitcoin articles. Well, let us read them for you. This is a crypto Konami quick read. What is up crew? Welcome back to the crypto Konami podcast. We have got some Bitcoin story time coming at you today with another crypto quick read and read by your host guys Swan. That's me. The guy who has read more about Bitcoin than anybody else, you know, and I want to make an announcement first. I have gotten my tickets and I'm actually a Sponsor now for the bit block boom conference that will be happening on the weekend of August 17th and 18th the main event and everything is on the 17th and they have a brunch and like networking hangout thing for a number of hours on the 18th. And I'm really really excited about it already already found out that a bunch of people that I got to hang out with and meet at the Bitcoin 2019 conference will be there. 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We are hitting one where you're hitting another one from Sue zoo and hasu which is its hasta fly. I think actually on Oh no hasu FL on Twitter and but these guys run or post a lot of things on Uncommon Core dotco. Sometimes I think it's just one or the other of them but they've right A lot of these things together and they have an amazing series called the Skeptics Guide to bitcoin and we've actually read all three of the pieces in that series on the on this show. In fact, what were they called NASA? Let me check them out here. There was an honest account of Fiat money was the first one these are not in like like right back to back is when we read these they're pretty spread out. So actually I'll link to these in the show notes so you can find them on anchor dot f m-- and go to the actual episodes page, but it's an honest account of Fiat money unpacking Bitcoins social contract and independent property rights and all three of them are amazing. I think my favorite out of the three is Independent property rights, but I think the first two are actually really good lead-in to like kind of a foundation for understanding the independent property rights argument, but I really loved that article. That one's just a wonderful one for analogies on what the value of Bitcoin is and what it's actually competing against people have these ideas that it's oh we're competing against V. So we're competing against the dollar and it's not exactly true. It's a stack of things that Bitcoin makes Possible and I really think the independent property rights article is one of the best at breaking down that concept. So I really love that one and we are reading today one of their newer art one of their more recent articles though. It was still is published back in March 6. So it's not exactly brand new but it's investing in Bitcoin and it's digging a lot deeper into a number of the concepts on. Why Bitcoin is valuable? How do we value it and is going to be a really really fun one. So without further Ado, let's go ahead and jump into ha Sue's and Sue's article on Uncommon Core dot co-investing in Bitcoin. We don't talk much about price in this blog, but we will make an exception today to show how to Value Bitcoin using a high-level approach will highlight three significant Trends in the world and suggest how either one of them could lead to increased demand for neutral private money in the future. how to Value Bitcoin On a long enough time frame valuing Bitcoin is straightforward. The market finds a price based on available supply and demand when more people want to buy Bitcoin than sell it. The price goes up and vice versa for most types of assets a price increase entices producers to make more of it pushing the price back down likewise a price decrease leads to a decrease in Supply making the price go back up as a result most It's tends to be relatively price stable near their cost of production. Bitcoin has a fixed Supply there will only ever be 21 million units and we always know how many of them exist the market can still try to create substitute Goods like other cryptocurrencies with similar properties to increase the supply. We fully expect this to continue to happen but money has immense brand value in the form of network effects liquidity and integration in existing Financial. Sure Bitcoins Supply isn't entirely inelastic to changes in demand, but certainly less so than other assets leaving upside to be captured by existing owners rather than producers. The sum of all Bitcoin multiplied with their price is called market capitalization comparing market caps of assets like fiat currency real estate stocks or Commodities allows us to see how much value I'll store in them at any given time Bitcoins market cap. Today is 80 billion dollars, which is small compared to what we could see as potential Target markets to disrupt. U.s. Dollar notes held abroad or around one trillion dollars including over 75% of all $100 bills in existence. Global base money is nineteen point six trillion dollars gold held for investment purposes around one point one trillion dollars privately excluding jewelry and 1.3 trillion held by central banks. Since the supply of Bitcoin and substitute Goods is less responsive to changes in demand. We expect Rising demand to manifest in a higher Exchange price. We see three primary sources of such future demand. demand for digital cash ninety percent of all money today is virtual. It is created when someone takes a loan and henceforth lives on a bank Ledger until the debt is paid and the money destroyed or it is withdrawn as cash the growing Trend away from physical cash to digital payments is understandable cash has the annoying property that you need to be in the same location to exchange. It. Most of us are also paid digitally for the work we do so to pay in cash when would To constantly replenish. It countries that have abandoned the use of physical cash. All together are called cashless. It can happen without coercion like in Sweden in other countries like India, the government has demonetized larger denomination banknotes in China digital payments serve as a tool of social control and the backbone for a new Social credit system central banks around the world are enthralled by the idea of negative. You've interest rates the ultimate Holy Grail of monetary control in a cashless Society. They can directly tax people's bank accounts to disincentivize saving and encourage quote aggregate spending in the form of consumption and investment digital payments are highly efficient and convenient, but they are not money when it comes to the properties that are parents and their parents have been used to it is a new form of money that Very concrete trade-offs digital payments receive their efficiency gains from including a trusted third party in every transaction that maintains a central Ledger that it can much easier update when told to this Arrangement doesn't come without drawbacks the intermediary monitors. All Financial activity can refuse transactions. He disagrees with or even confiscate funds all either cash on the other hand can be exchanged peer-to-peer between people the transactions are permissionless private and immediately final no one can revert them after the fact as our Reliance on financial intermediaries grows. So does the importance of who controls them today a small number of payment companies have a disproportionately large impact to Define what speech is acceptable online? What businesses should be allowed to operate money is the lifeblood of the economy someone who is cut off by payment processors loses his autonomy and almost any chance to run his business. Every year the world is moving closer towards going cashless. The reason in our opinion is that the benefits of digital payments are immediate and visible to the user while the downsides are invisible until they matter as a consequence the global supply of physical cash will continue to drop this drop. However is not an accurate reflection of the demand to hold it government's central banks and large corporations have an incentive to push for a cash flow. Is society though not all of them do while cash has no coordinated commercial interest backing it. Demand for cash is also under represented as long as Financial intermediaries can be horribly trusted which isn't guaranteed to last forever. It seems unnecessary like fire Insurance until it burns Bitcoin is the first and only form of money that offers cash like properties, but can be stored and transferred digitally when governments no longer provide physical cash. There could be a lot of excess demand for an asset with Like properties looking for a release valve and Bitcoin is in a unique position to offer that. Demand for a global neutral settlement networked digital payments work for parties who have a middleman that they can trust since World War Two the US has been this trusted middleman for most of the developed world lately. The US has shown they are willing to weaponize the financial system to command their political will by pressuring Swift into cutting off Russia and Iran as part of their sanctions. It is not well received by there. Lies additionally political moods in most countries are turning towards isolationism both in Europe with brexit and revolts in France as well as the US the trade war with China threats to leave nuclear arms treaty with Russia u.s. LED soft power institutions, like the WB IMF and WTO are gradually losing their influence. These were the main tools for projecting the u.s. Power of Broad and their disenfranchisement will leave power vacuums and uncertainty in their wake we believe the world is currently moving away from having one trusted protector an intermediary to a multipolar world order. As frictions between world powers increase the willingness to trust Financial infrastructure controlled by someone else will decrease that creates demand for a financial Network that is not controlled by one party but is politically neutral even online censorship is on the rise. China's internet is effectively cut off from the rest of the world in Russia is planning to follow suit Bitcoin fulfills the conditions of being neutral and censorship resistant while in the past controversial activity found a home in Bitcoin like Silk Road and Wikileaks the world could wake up to the benefits of censorship resistance as a positive trait. That is no longer quote just for criminals. All right. I'm going to need a break to get out of this heat and get myself a drink. I'm so I'm going to air out my Bitcoin blankie for it. We will hit our sponsor and we will jump right back into this piece by hasu fly and or hasu and suzu at uncommon cord dot co-investing in Bitcoin. For anyone who has a podcast anchor cannot be beaten particularly for trying to get off the ground their entire platform is free. This includes unlimited hosting both in audio that you upload and how much your listeners download. I have uploaded an incredible library of audio now and I've never paid anchor a dime. In fact, they connect me with other sponsors and have run an ad consistently on my show. So they've paid For exposure to my audience that's really hard to beat even if we ignore that I can record directly in the app or my browser. I don't need any other software. If I don't want it I can edit at sound effects clips and they automatically published to all of the top podcasting platforms. I never had to do a thing. So if you were thinking of starting a show or already have a podcast, there's no better platform out there check out anchor by downloading the app or go to Anchor dot f FM today Demand for a hedge against the failure of the existing system. Many people are worried about the over-leveraged state of the world economy and our financial system both consumer and sovereign debt levels are at all-time highs relative to GDP s while interest rates, especially in Europe and Japan are still zero when the economy slows down. There is little That central banks can do to ease the pain and kick-start the economy. Further a widespread shift in demographics is created a massive gap between future government liabilities and income from taxes. For example, the US government doesn't just oh 20 trillion dollars in sovereign debt, but 10 times as much in domestic debt in the forms of entitlement programs many believe that the only way to pay up is by throwing the US dollar under the bus and devalue it to meet at Least nominal obligations given this is a doomsday scenario and not very fun to think about but it's a reality that any investor has to deal with today gold has traditionally been at trust anchor when investors flee out of fiat currency, but it is also highly co-opted by governments and hard to secure and repatriate as some countries experienced today. We believe that over a long enough time frame Bitcoin can become the gold of the internet. Of generation in take its place as a hedge against government and central bank failures Bitcoin as doomsday insurance is a narrative that is picking up steam and that is now commonly cited even by Skeptics such as Ken rogoff as a primary use case of Bitcoin as more people are getting worried about systemic risk demand per Bitcoin as limited quote Insurance tickets could rise accordingly that Bitcoin does in fact work. Work as an exit ramp for week. Local currencies can be seen in Venezuela and other South and Central American countries where Bitcoin is increasingly adopted quote on the ground as an alternative to the u.s. Dollar a recent study about global data from the peer to peer exchange localbitcoins found that quote in the fourth quarter of 2018 as bitcoin price and interest seem to hit their doldrums 23 countries on LBC had their best quarters ever almost All of these countries are in the developing world end quote. The u.s. Dollar is still the most sought-after black market currency. But Bitcoin is better at some things that make it an attractive alternative for people in developing countries. It's easier to protect against confiscation for example, using a brainwallet and transfer digitally especially across borders Skeptics of Bitcoin often miss the fact that currency competition is like running from a bear. You only have to outlast your slowest friend Bitcoin in its current immature. Warm competes with the weakest of Fiat currencies not with the US dollar euro or Japanese Yen and does so despite its price volatility. Is Bitcoins volatility a problem? I'm often asked if Bitcoins price volatility will prevent adoption Bitcoin is volatile for two reasons first Bitcoin Supply is fixed and doesn't react in changes to demand second as a young currency. It is mainly used for speculation today. It's price is a function of deferred expectations of growth and expectations of other people's expectations. And so on all of which get revised all the time the best way to think about volatility is as a temporary transaction, Just as Bitcoins market capitalization grows less of its value will be from speculation as there is less future growth to bet on and more from fundamental usage that will lower Bitcoins volatility and make it cheaper to use while it can be seen as a chicken-egg problem initially Bitcoin needs adoption to become price stable with many forms of adoption require price stability using Bitcoin has a different value to different people the coins success as money shouldn't be judged. By its ability to perform consumer payments instead Bitcoin is first adopted by those who can tolerate the costs because it helps them better than existing Alternatives or because there are no Alternatives with every additional group of people Bitcoin serves. It becomes less volatile and cheaper to use making it more attractive for use cases, which are slightly more price sensitive a positive feedback loop the fact that anyone uses Bitcoin today. Despite its volatility and complexity is amazing to me and should be seen as a ringing endorsement by the market. summary Bitcoin is a new Financial network with a token also called Bitcoin but with a lowercase B that is currently in its monetization phase during this phase. It's price is largely determined by expectations of future growth making it expectedly volatile despite the cost and complexity people use Bitcoin on the ground today in developing countries and to make unstoppable transactions online. The more people use it the less volatile. It will become encouraging further adoption. Since Bitcoins Supply is fixed and substitute goods are hard to make the price is largely a function of the demand to hold it. We identified three major Trends in the world that could lead to significant demand down the road demand that Bitcoin is well positioned to serve often as the only competitor and that could create significant upside for existing holders. Thank you to Nick Carter for his excellent feedback disclaimer. This content should not be relied upon as legal business investment or tax advice. You should consult your advisors as to Legal business tax and or other related matters concerning any investment furthermore. This content is not directed at nor intended for use by any investor or prospective investor and they not under any circumstances be relied upon when making investment decisions. All right, and that concludes investing in Bitcoin eyepiece another great piece by hasu and suzu on Uncommon Core dotco and I've linked or I will link to the other three the three parts of the Skeptics Guide to bitcoin series as well as another one. We actually read app. There's the was it the Bitcoin is ahead. Bitcoin is a hedge against the cashless society, which this kind of extends that concept on this article does so really really good stuff up on our Common Core dotco. I definitely definitely encourage you to check those guys out and follow hasu as well as suzu on Twitter. I will link and post all that good stuff. You'll be able to find their tags right there in the Twitter post as well as at the actual show notes page. All right. So let's hit a couple of these topics here because this lays out a really just a really great like kind of macroeconomic like that high level view of some of the major shifts that are happening in society and really own like kind of a decade's long time frame here that we're looking at and then showing where Bitcoin kind of fits into all of this and the first one which they talked about at length in the Hedge. Cashless Society article that we've covered in the past is about the demand for digital cash. And this is a really great. I love this line in particular and the referring here to the the sort of underrepresented demand for cash, but they said quote the reason in our opinion is that the benefits of digital payments are immediate and visible to the user while the downsides are invisible until they matter? End quote I really really like that argument because it's exactly the truth when you're moving into the digital space. All you see is the convenience you're all the trade-offs that you're actually making are completely invisible. You don't really see that you don't see the risk of trusting someone else with whether or not you can transact or with your money as an immediate as an immediate risk that you're taking when you see it in your app. You're used to just Gagging okay. Here's my balance. This is the money that I have it's not until it's taken away. It's not until they call you they freeze a payment and call you up and ask you why are you making this payment to so and so it's not until they threatened to shut down your bank account because you transacted with the wrong country or something like that like you that cost is invisible until it literally slaps you in the face. So for the most part everybody is adopting it out of convenience without realizing the massive amount of Power they are losing in the process because they just want a cheap easy way to pay for something online or pay their friends, etc. Etc. And so even though like I thought that was a really good way to explain why even though there's a huge drop in the demand for physical cash or just cash in general is that it's actually not an accurate reflection of the demand to hold it. It's just a reflection of the fact that the cost. downsides to this are invisible and the benefits are immediate and completely transparent and I think that they are right particularly as government's China Russia the US the UK like all of these all the modern world because the financial situation is in such Dire Straits they are going to be raining in very tightly as much control over people's transactions and capital as they can because otherwise they are going to pay the price and they don't want to they don't want to give up their power. So they're going to figure out how to make other people pay for it and they do that by promoting and pushing the cashless Society where they essentially are running the puppet strings behind everything they can decide whose accounts get locked and who actually has owns their money and who does not and and just like well would the case of massive Financial liabilities is they're going to devalue the dollar and they can only the Point of that to devalue the dollar is to make it so that everyone who is holding the dollar everyone who is using the dollar everyone who was getting paid in the dollar their value is sucked up to pay for the government's in the central bank's irresponsibility because that's the thing. They don't want they don't want to lose their Central Bank because that means they pay for their irresponsibility. It's a whole lot easier if you just starve your population and keep your power. So that's what they'll do. They'll kill the currency. They'll they'll run the pump. at strings and make sure that they are the ones telling the bank exactly who and who has who owns their money and who can and cannot transact and because all of this is coming to a head because it's inevitable that the debt has to get paid back or something has to break somewhere that that type of power is going to be exerted in a far stricter and far more totalitarian way and the demand for digital cash is going to explode The the demand to have something that is digital that is outside of the realm of their manipulation of they're attempting to push the irresponsibility onto attempting to push the cost of that on to other people who did not make the decisions who did not destroy the economy who did not run up hundreds of trillions of dollars in debt. People will not put up with that. Like people will want to people will be out for survival of themselves not less less their their political ideology. Like if they if they have some like for somebody else to pay for it or like I have like everybody should pay their taxes ideology when they are starving when they can't put food on the table. They are going to gladly give up their belief that they should be paying taxes in order to Five and in the same way they're going to gladly give up the fact that they should be using the US dollar for everything. They'll probably still promote it. They'll probably still scream it to everyone else is like know the dollar is our country, but they'll have Bitcoin or some real asset that is not even this is not being bled dry of all of its value so that they don't die and that's exactly what digital cash does it say Bearer instrument that allows someone to hold value without a political. Institution being able to destroy it through through just through nothing more than political Authority because that's what they're doing in the alternative is there they're simply saying that all of the value is because we allow you to have it based on our Authority and digital cash is we have the value. You have to figure out how to get it from us. It's a it's a complete shift in the power dynamics one is you're allowed to have value the other is Have value you have to explain why I'm giving it up where you have to take it from me and there's a very very different. This is very different Power Dynamic. And I think without question there is no way that that demand does not increase substantially and it already is because guess what people don't like to be slaves and that's what we're talking about. We're talking about political Authority deciding who what when and where things can happen value should move. and what vision of the world should be funded and people aren't going to put up with that they will they might still wave their flag or you know vote for this person or that person but when it comes to their own lives and their own Freedom, they will prioritize themselves and they will seek to find that freedom and Independence for themselves regardless of what any politician or anyone says, it's just going to it's going to cause massive growth in my In exactly those things the black markets which would just be the which would just be the moral Market as opposed to the politically authoritative Market. Or the voluntary Market I guess is probably the better word like because you think about when we're talking about the black market in this scenario, we're talking about all the quote unquote extralegal Market, which means that every time that you know some young person in your neighborhood comes to come through and like Cuts your grass and you pay them cash and you know, you don't report it and they don't report it. That's the black market. That's what we're talking about. We're talking about people who are trading and just not telling everything exactly to the government now, obviously it includes Things that are socially unacceptable or social pariahs like prostitution and drugs and stuff like that. But the vast majority of it when we're talking about just cash transactions and what will be largely the same experience probably in digital cash where people are just doing small under-the-table transactions so that they are not being robbed blind every time they get a paycheck or so. They you know, they sell their couch without reporting the quote unquote. The income, you know that kind of thing when when people are producing a little bit on the side, like you'll think this is I think it actually makes sense that this would increase with the kind of hyper specialization that we're getting with the expanse of the internet markets and like the gig economy and all of these things is that this will this will help to push the demand for digital cash because people will be looking for alternative ways to make and earn money where it is not being destroyed. Because if you if all you can do if whatever your your quote-unquote open market. Your legitimate Market job is if the pay that you get from that is constantly being destroyed is being fined and taxed 13 different ways. Then you're not going to you're not going to like stop wanting your life to be better. You're not going to stop wanting to have savings and you're not going to stop caring about the fact that you're completely uncertain about. Out your situation in one week that you know, if you had a flat tire you might be absolutely financially ruined for the next two years because you had an unexpected 300 dollar purchase and a lot of people are pretty much in that situation already because of the debt bubble that are bad are crap economic policies and price controls has pushed onto the economy. So we're already teetering on the edge and now we're talking about like a collapse of that debt bubble because we've got Interest rates at zero and they still can't prop this thing up. It's not going to get any better and people are not going to seek to get less from what they produce. You know, they're trying to keep the freaking world running. They're trying to keep their they're trying to stay fed and keep their families fed. And these people are just going to stand by and watch their currency lose 90% of its value or have what little savings they actually do have confiscated through negative interest rates. That like, you know, you can't they can't move it or they can't like withdraw it people that just the populations are not going to keep up or put up with that. I mean, it's just not gonna happen and we've already got this huge increase in uncertainty and loss of trust in all of these institutions and when the price gets clearer and clearer and Phenomenally larger and more obvious that trust will break down completely and people will seek something. That's this one of the other on major major. Sources of demand here for Bitcoin that they talk about is it's a political nature. It's the fact that it's completely outside of the political world. It is this it's like a hedge. It's like gold as a insurance ticket for the failure of the existing system, which I think is becoming more and more obvious and I'm glad that they mentioned that it's not just about the 20 trillion dollars in general debt. That is to be Learned about we're also talking about a just an unbelievable amount literally near or a little bit over a hundred trillion dollars or more in domestic debt that they think that we're going to have all of these welfare and liability programs like these unfunded liabilities for all of the programs just for people in this country. Like they're not going to get their pensions. These people are not going to get there. So, Social Security and and and just as they said they will give they will make sure it's paid for in the nominal since you'll get the the actual dollars but they won't be worth anything there. I don't think it's politically feasible for them to say. Oh whoops we screwed up and we can't pay for any of this crap. So we're not going to pay it. What they'll do is they'll send you the check for the $50,000. Didn't they promised you would get out of social security or whatever it is, but that $50,000 will not be enough to buy a carts worth of groceries. When when the bill for those dot Linda's liabilities actually get priced in it will not buy you hardly anything. That's what will happen. There is simply no way to pay off the liabilities. Like it's it's absurd and the fact that we're teetering. On the edge of any kind of stability while we have deeply deeply underpriced interest rates already like there's nowhere to go. So it's I don't know our financial system Ira financial situation is so such a massive problem. I think that demand a loan for Bitcoin being a neutral Neutral in the sense that it is not controlled. It is not inside this financial system and it's not what's the word it's not exposed to all of those liabilities. Like there's no, you know, no Bitcoin in the system is backed by someone else's debt almost all of the u.s. Dollar is these if these debts come do and they don't work out like if they don't get paid there's going to be a massive collapse. We are building all of our suppose. Financial stability is built on promises. We know no one can pay back. So it's it's just this giant illusion. It is the definition of a bubble and it's going to come crashing down and you will have to have some Sovereign form of value in order to escape it. Otherwise, you are an involuntary payer of that debt of someone else's debt and irresponsibility and then this quote here. Because it because another huge thing is just the demand for the global neutral settlement Network because Swift and well, let me go ahead and I'll read the quote and then kind of expand on the little bit here. So quote u.s. LED soft power institutions like the WB the IMF and the WTO are gradually losing their influence. These were the main tools for projecting us power abroad and their disenfranchisement will leave. Power vacuums and uncertainty in their wake we believe the world is currently moving away from having one trusted protector and intermediary to a multipolar world order end quote. I think this is a really really powerful statement. I think it's absolutely right. I think what we are seeing right now is the breakdown of trust the breakdown of that what has essentially been a world a one world government in the modern in the modern sense for quite some time really largely since the since World War Two arguably more more potent Lee since like the early 70s, I think. But these these institutions that they haven't exerted a lot of power before these are all you know, extra judicial institutions, like nobody like there are these institutions when they exert power they're destroying the sovereignty of all of these individual companies countries, like nobody votes for these like I don't I don't vote for the people in the IMF or like these huge overarching like Global Regulatory Agencies. They say oh these people or these companies have to share this certain certain information about customers with everybody between these other countries. Like we don't get the vote. Like these aren't Representatives. These are just authoritative structures that decide this is how it's going to be and because they run the rails they are the ones with the puppet strings for the Swift institution. The the settlements Network they've always threatened their power essentially to Cut people out of the you know, modern Financial system. So it's like, you know and imagine think of it sort of in the sense like you could just cut someone's internet off if they started misbehaving you could disconnect them and make them unable to access the internet. Well, we've got the equivalent of that with a global settlement Network because we really only have one it is a it is a highly controlled highly centralized. Global Financial settlement and that's exactly what needs to be replaced and there will be massive demand for anything that competes with that. It can't be controlled because and the more that these these institutions actually exert their control the more they restrict what people can do in which countries can can settle or can use this network. Well, then the more people they are pushing out forcing them to You find an alternative and Bitcoin literally is the only trust minimize alternative out there. The only one that is jurisdiction lists and stains any chance. It seems right now to stand up against some of these nation states are these large multinational institutions that think they run everything and so it's only going to increase the pressure for building and using exactly those sorts of Alternatives as there. Because they lose their influence. They're going to grab onto it tighter, you know, it's just this this kind of how power is when it's when they start to exert it really really forcefully and aggressively that that you know, they're losing it because they have to cling on to it as hard as they can hoping that it doesn't fall away from them, but it slipped its slipping through the cracks like it's like it's like trying to hold water in your hand. It's just going to leak out no matter what they do. And because of that like when they're with Iran and Russia, like they're trying to essentially knock them out of the modern Financial networks. What are these countries going to do? They're going to build Alternatives. They're going to figure out how to use alternatives are not going to sit with their thumbs up their butt and just pretend it just be like, oh, well, I guess we're all just going to start it up and we're not going to be part of you know, the modern world and we'll just, you know, cut our Internet off while we're at it. No, they're going to seek an alternative. They're going to figure out how to use something else which is funny because this is this could very well lead to another one of the ways. I think Bitcoin will be demonized in the short-term is that all of these countries that are being pushed out of the Global Financial system all these countries that are being hit with sanctions and stuff will start to use something like Bitcoin will start to use the alternative Financial infrastructure, and then they'll double e get Associate it like the US these in multi National or International organizations in the United States when they start getting their marketing campaign against Bitcoin because it starts to threaten their power hold they will use the fact that look North Korea is using Bitcoin. Look Russia is using Bitcoin. Look Iran is using Bitcoin. It's like well no shit because you cut off their all their only alternative. So they're using it because it's the one thing that you can't control and they'll claim look out. evil Bitcoin is so I think this is probably going to be a big part of the marketing campaign against Bitcoin when the FED starts to realize that they can't make whatever monetary decision they want because Bitcoin is you know that elephant in the corner of the room that says we're going to soak up all your value if you do something stupid, so I think it's very likely to expect massive demand just because of Bitcoins incredible neutrality and the fact that it is a global system that cannot be censored and I think the fact that people in Iran are using it to fact the people in Venezuela are using it the fact that people in North Korea are using it and China these are proof. These are proofs of concept of of this incredible value potential and it is it is in no way a deterrent or a negative thing for Bitcoin. It's proof of Bitcoins, unbelievable neutrality and the fact that it is absent of any jurisdiction that it is absent of any single authorities control its outside of that reach and I think that's an incredibly powerful statement and a position that makes it worth Arguably tens of trillions of dollars. I absolutely think that this just these three things alone, like just the these major trends that are happening in the economy. And in the world in the modern Financial world, I think these are enough for it to be vastly more valuable than gold is right now, I think it's a better hedge. I think it's a hedge. It's looking toward the future. Future and the fact that it's going to get easier and vastly more capable because it's a programmatic like it's a programmable money. It is a totally digital. It can be transported across any border without having to transport anything physical you can just memorize a seat phrase and move to another country. I think it's benefits over the past Alternatives that hedged against problems like this and try to actually put a check on these massive imbalances that we're having to deal with. I think Bitcoin is vastly vastly better at proving. It's neutrality its lack of borders its censorship resistance. Its capacity for digital exchange and Trust minimized relationships in the fact that it is a hedge. It is a non-correlated asset that will do its own thing completely irrespective of the financial system. It's just not part of that system and as trust breaks down in the Legacy Financial System and and it's conflict gets worse and more exaggerated a people will seek to leave it and it will it will happen in massive waves. So with that we'll go ahead and close this one here. I just thought that was a really good article per usual a huge. Thank you again to suzu and hasu for their continued awesome work. Do not forget to check out Uncommon Core dotco. They really just have they always as have just really really good stuff to read The Collection over there is great and they are responsible for for for some of my favorite analogies and explanations as to why Bitcoin has value in the first phase in the first place just in the general sense of like what you what Bitcoin makes capable if you're using it as an alternative to The Current financial system and what guarantees it can actually give you and again part 3 of their Skeptics guy. To bitcoin series The Independent property rights Bitcoin in the promise of independent property rights is one of my absolute favorite on that and they talked about the what this stack of Bitcoin is actually competing with as far as like the court and the property and the actual governance system that we are used to or the thing that we think of is like a default in how Society is organized that Bitcoin is an alternative measure to that. It's a Twerking alternative to it and it's one of my favorite articles. So I definitely encourage you to listen to and or read that one. I will link to both of those. I will link to all the previous episodes actually if I can gather them all together that we've done with these guys in the show notes. All right guys, thank you so much for joining me. This is the crypto economy podcast, and I also want to give a shout-out. I have recently gotten some month. Supporters from anchor dot f m-- the if you go to the episode you can actually have there's a little button that says support this show and we have recently grabbed two new supporters, Chris and David, I won't say their last names for their privacy, but I just wanted to say thank you guys so much. That's awesome. I it really validates what I'm doing here. It makes me feel good. 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We are covering episode 2 today Tremor you guys were getting more and more into this and it is crazy. We're talking a dying church and Dilli Texas who the heck has ever heard of Dilli Tanana, not me, not me we're talking. Remzi rationality and of course the first miracle we're also talking our special segment W Wy D and in case you didn't hear in episode one it with our review. That is what would you do? Okay, Debbie WYD and of course our news and gossip, but first before we get into it, my name is Tatiana Marissa and I am joined by my lovely cone. Co-host not cone host co-host a b'nai Chapman. How you doing? Good. How are you? I am good. I'm good. I'm having so much fun covering the This show with you just so you know, same good. I'm glad you feel like why so this is this is another this episode is another stunner. It's still slow moving. Okay, and they're introducing new characters, but I am not mad at it. Okay, because I'm getting more and more invested. It is only the second episode. But what were your overall thoughts of everything? Okay, to be honest with you. I'm still confused. Okay. I still need to hear or see more from these characters like I'm just still like what is going on. Like who are these people? What is this a agent doing? What are they investigating? What are they finding? Like what's going on? Nothing? Nothing is good. I still got more I still need more. So we're gonna get we're gonna keep watching. Yeah, good good. We have to got it right it's good. I yeah, there was no questions answered for me. I was more just like Character involvement and more miracles, I guess what we see the first miracle the first physical Miracle so that was kind of an interesting thing and where he travels where albums he shows up. So right that is new and interesting. So why don't we go ahead and just dive into this. So let's get into it, right Dilly, Texas and bum-ass. No, we're okay. We have her dying Church in dili, Texas never heard of Dilly. But it's we're introduced to Felix and his family now he's kind of I'm assuming she's got an alcoholic wife and a drug-addicted daughter Rebecca. So they're Dynamic is really interesting. I would like to know about more of their backstory, but I feel like I can kind of guess. Yeah, I kind of feel bad of course. Yeah, I feel bad for him. I mean there's a dying church. I feel like he put all of his hopes and dreams like when he was looking out to make sure that people were coming to his church and he sees the tumbleweed. And there's literally nobody nobody he's like, what is this? Right? No money. Nothing people Notre he had like four people come to a service. Like that's sad that's sad and normally people would just give up by then, but he did not so have faith you do right? And he did kind of I mean he kind of had thought when he was at the gas station that I thought was really interesting. So it seems like he's planning to do something to his church. I'm assuming Because he's in like Monument is debt, right totally how far would you go to protect your life's work? I mean listen, like he's had this church. I'm sure for years and years and years. I would think so, right. So I mean whatever you're trying to do with this gasoline, sir. I feel like you need to maybe think twice about it. Yeah, right. I mean your whole life savings. What are you going to do when you yeah, but I mean do they even have insurance out there? I like what is I mean, I'm a Assuming they do why would you why would you if you were gonna do something like burn down something like what what would you be doing if nothing around some like wood, there's nothing there's nothing there's nothing but it's like at the it's at the cost of his marriage. I mean, it's I think his lifework already dealing with the church is costing him his marriage right in general and I think so too. I think that's probably why she's an alcoholic, right? Yeah, right, but she's hiding it from hiding it from him as if he doesn't know seriously. Yeah, like that's what Yeah, he knows come on. Come on. We're not dumb. Okay, and then of course his daughter is this really troubled Crest team completely and I want to know why I like what happened there. But first of all what's wrong with her like she has these things at first. I was like she passes out. Yeah she passes out. Does she see things or does she like she doesn't convulse or anything? So it's not it's not like a seizure right, but they don't explain it. That's what I'm saying. Yes. Still have so many questions another question. Yeah, what is happening? Why is she why she liked it? I don't know what you also like smokes and is very like kind of like out there. Yeah. Yeah, spiritually like she doesn't seem grounded not at all considering that her father is a pastor. I mean, I think it's I think she's probably she's searching for something other than what she knows. I mean, it's such a small town, you know that it's like it's like going to private school when you I have eight people in your class, right? Hello. Yeah, you don't know what's beyond their you know, what's beyond that you totally live in a bubble you do. Yeah, you do is extremely sheltered because literally like there's nothing there's nothing until e-text this nothing you haven't heard of it. There's nothing so it's she's an interesting character and I'm excited to see where this where this development will go. I hope we get through. I hope you know, we get to see the full development. One of the character because sometimes they leave you hanging and then you're kind of like what happened to this person like ya I don't even care honestly about the main character this point what happened in this what happened to this character? So yeah, I hope we get to see the full length of her me too. Yeah, me too. I really hope so too. And this is also our first like Well - the CIA agent this is kind of our first, you know American introduction to almost die because he's Felix season on TV as he's looking at his past due bills. He sees him on TV and but it was interesting because I thought You know for for a pastor for a reverend, it's interesting that he didn't take more time to like research. Alma sighs. I like if I was a reverend and I would imagine that I know the Bible backwards and forwards. So if there is a guy in the Middle East that's preaching for 30 days and is disappearing from jail cells. Like I don't know it would send off some red flags for me, but it seemed like he was kind of you know, Used did you did you get that? I feel like maybe it was more like a shock. Hmm right look more like who is this guy? Like, okay them aside. Like is the could this actually be the Messiah like could this actually be him like is here everything that we've been reading about for however long like this this him so I think maybe more of like a shock wave like, oh, okay. Like we're in it the end time. Yeah, like what's gonna happen? Yeah, I mean in the world It was I thought it was interesting because he still continued with his day-to-day, you know after seeing him Alamos eye on TV. Like he didn't even know I guess I was expecting more, you know, like like, oh, he's here. Let's prepare. I don't even know how you would prepare for that. But, you know something like a plan of action or but you know, sometimes I wonder because you see when you see things on TV that is not in your hometown or what, you know, then you're like, oh it's over there, right, you know rights over there. It's not affecting me. Right so I'm kind of wondering if that was his perception when he saw a Masai on TV. I don't know I would be freaking out but that's me speaking of freaking out. We have plenty of freaking out here AfterBuzz TV for our after shows. Can you tell us more about that ebony? Yes, of course you guys thank you so much before we move on to the next topic. I would just we all want you both want to thank you so much for supporting us. So we would like for you to like subscribe comment on the video. We are also on iTunes so you can check us out there for the audio version. Yeah, so Please continue to support our shows continue to watch with us and we're excited to continue to report on Messiah. Awesome. Thank you for that course I needed that reminder. I forget how many shows we come here on after so many so many so getting back into it. I really want to talk about avram's irrationalities. Okay, he is the angriest person and I think I've ever seen that I like him you do. Is he your favorite character? Favorite that is pushing it but I do like him. Okay, I do like there's something Miss first. I think it's attract. Let me hook. Okay? Yes. I think he's hot. That's a yes. Yeah, right. And so I love question bad boy situation and he clearly has stuff going on with him that he's not you know that we haven't seen yet. So I'm interested. I'm intrigued call me. Listen to me good he is he is a he is yeah. He's very attractive. He's a very angry person. He carries around so much with him and he actually did delete that tape which we saw him do but now he has to kind of own up to it, which makes him even more pissed off because now the CIA agent knows and of course, he doesn't want anybody to know about megiddo that boy that somehow Alamos. I knew that he tortured I'm assuming he tortured this boy or killed this boy. I don't know, but I knew nobody was supposed to know so he doesn't want his superiors to know. I guess just like you Deleted it, which is why I delete it. So he's losing his mind because a Masai knows this so much so that he leaves his daughter in the car chasing the man that he thinks is almost high, right. So that is not that does not of course not so that tells me that you know, he has kind of lost his mind like he put the safety of his daughter in Jeopardy right to go chase this criminal with this gun outstretched. Come on, you took the gun out in the car with his daughter. Yeah, and that was pretty intense. I mean come on and if I was his ex-wife I would be pissed as hell to write, you know, like what are you doing? So he's we're just diving deeper into his obsession and he he's homeless we find he doesn't have a place to live. He's going through the split up or he's already divorced. I don't know but he just can't he can't keep his issues together and I think that you know in turn he goes and he captures jabril. Right at the very end. Yeah, and he takes them away into the night. Right? And I think ultimately he's going to interrogate him on the whereabouts of Alma sigh. I presume of course and so, you know, I fear for jabril because I think he's going to get the brunt of of avram's anger totally but I think the anger comes from this fear right fear of what of almost Like he knows too much. Who are you? How do you know who I am like I you know, he's a detective top, you know, so it's kind of like there's no access to them. It's not like me and you could just go access them and their personal lives and know what they're doing, especially if you know erasing tapes or whatever is something that has been done before so I just feel like he is he's in fear of his life. Is life he feels like maybe it's threatened something someone's coming for him because someone knows something way too personal like you think that he thinks it's his clearly he erased if whatever he did on tape or whatever killing the guy clearly. Nobody knows about it. Mmm. So if he knows about it's like they're coming after me. They figured it out like oh no they found what I've been hiding this whole time. So his obsession comes from so you think that like he thinks somebody's after his life totally so he's just got His job after him after him after yeah, like his livelihood what he knows and that would explain why you know, that would explain a lot. Yeah interesting. I like that. Take Here We Go. Whoo, we got it covered figuring out in the streets here. No more questions about this week. You have any questions about the show? We gotcha. I really want to get into the first miracle because that's a huge huge thing. And of course Alma side shows up at this, you know, beautifully spiritually. Doric Temple, right the Temple Mount which is holy to both Jews and Muslims. So it's a very prominent thing to show up at which I kind of guess that that's where he would show up but he's a perfect place to go and mind you I noticed my husband and I were watching this together and he is not quoted from the Bible this whole time. Okay, he's not quoted from the Bible. He's whole time. He's pulling from the Quran this entire time and he shows up at the Temple Mount and the wise men Who are sitting in that that group I call them the wise men or the Pharisees? They're not either of those but that's how I remember them. After sitting in there and they're watching him on their iPad or laptop or whatever, right? And they say, oh, you know, he's horrible. He's misquoting Muhammad and but he's fulfilling the prophecy of Muhammad by helping Islam while wearing the yellow rope and I guys I don't know much about that prophecy. All I know is that it's it's not from the Quran from what I understand. It's like in real life. It's not from the Quran. It's from like Muhammad's other book about his prophecies that he was Saying was going to happen to any way in there teach me did the right thing in the reviews. Correct me if I'm wrong, please. Okay, because we're all here to learn but there is there is a prophecy about somebody coming to help Islam and he's wearing yellow. I don't know what the significance of yellow is, right, but that's what I understand. So he so Al Messiah has come he is taking things from the Quran and quoting them while he is in Syria and mmm ascus and going into Israel. And so people are wondering if this is the Fulfillment of the prophecy. However, he is misquoting Muhammad or is he or is he right is hand? This is the whole thing like is the Messiah. Is he the second coming? I don't know. Do you know I don't know. So just a little background. Okay, so that's interesting. So anyway getting to it explaining way too much. I really love sure sure people watching they are interested. They're learning a thing or two. As well good. Okay, that's not lost. Don't worry. I'm glad okay, so he's preaching he's gaining a crowd. Everybody's excited. He killed he doesn't kill but people coming after him homicide and they should do a little boy. Yes, that sucks poor child poor child and it's I'm assuming it's the Israeli police because they're yelling get out of here. Get out of here, but he heals him and the bullet is out. This is his first I just met. It this is first active Miracle. Yes that we have seen. Okay, so it's really important. And of course this happens at the Temple Mount which is like super huge. I'm a skeptic. Okay, so I took it like a man did would you I mean did you were you like? Oh my gosh. He totally believed that I was like, oh my gosh, you don't got shot and he killed him. Oh my goodness, but it was not skeptical at all. I was like, Well the first miracle this is great. This is amazing. I was like Ava I was like, did you actually see them gun go off like was that real blood or what the boy must be in on it? Like that was my reaction. You know that she was really not believing it at all. I was like dang girl. You think everybody I made me a little town was in on it. That is crazy. It's crazy, but she's doing her job like she is the CIA agent. This is her job like a w CIA agent. That's okay because I'd be like, oh my God believing everything like it would be a problem. If it's captured on the phone goes viral then it must be true. Right? This is the whole thing now, but it's the couch on the phones ringing take a picture didn't happen. Right? Exactly exactly. So is it's interesting that this was the place. Where was it at the Temple Mount and and and this was where the first miracle took place so it's cool. I mean, it's cool but skeptic, but it's cool. So you're still you're on Ava Ava side? I'm I'm believing. I'm your team Messiah. Yep. All right, we got teams. We have Team. All right team was silent and I know I don't know yet. Okay. Are you ready? Are you ready for our special segment? I'm ready. I'm ready W Wy D. Okay. Here we go. What would you do? Here's the scene you are investigating a man. Who claims to be the Messiah he continues to escape you and all fingers are pointing to you as the person that helped him Escape. You have nothing to lose as your job is your life. So you pursue him. Okay at what point is too much to try to find him. What would you do? Okay, what would I do? Okay. Listen, my job is listen. All I know is that I'm trying to prove myself innocent. Okay, so if I did not help him Escape, I'm just as confused as everybody else is Where'd you go? How'd you get out of here? I'm going to I'm going to pursue you're going to like yeah. Nope. Nothing's too far. I mean, I think the day you know that you're innocent. So why sit down and take the guilty plea when you are innocent, right? So I feel like I would continue we would just be fighting to the death. I'm with you. I'm with you, right? Yeah. It's like we have like one with what else what else do you want me to do? Can you do yeah. Yeah, like if I say, okay. Yeah, I helped him Escape which is not true. I'm gonna lose my job. And now I have no money for real and if you lose your job, you lose your ex-wife. Maybe you don't want any way but you lose it and he was your daughter exactly. Uh-huh. So I might as well go down with a fight and if you die, at least you'll die with some honor. Oh, yes. We are hardcore here and it's like to bring you back. So it's all good. There's the kicker. There it is. That was her. Okay, it's okay. I'll just bring me back. That's good. I like it. I like it. Okay, I'm Jordan isn't gossip. Here we go. Cosmopolitan published an online article addressing what you need to know before watching Netflix is Messiah finding that many feel that the show is controversial, of course, not the like everybody which is to be expected when a fictional series takes significant liberties with sacred religious texts a change.org petition says viewers will immediately be able to notice that it is based on Islamic descriptions of the coming of dajjal which we talked about last time. Yes, which is Islam's false Messianic figure the petition is urging users to boycott Netflix for its anti-islamic propaganda and has already gathered nearly 5,000 signatures. Yeah. That's what's going on. It is so controversial that there is a petition on change.org which we touched on the whole the whole dajjal thing dissolve things. So it's an interesting thing. Of course, this is going to be controversial, but honestly, I don't think it's so controversial that everybody has to sign petitions. I think that it's a it brings about conversation, right? I think my goodness. This is like a whole nother conversation, but I do feel like Everyone is very tolerant, which is wonderful. Right and we need a great understanding of others to be able to get that understanding right. So I feel like if anything we should be using this as a teaching moment and not so much as oh, you're just like this is just offensive. Right? Some people just don't know sometimes things are offensive because there's not enough Dynamics in the room creating content like this, right? So I would hope that people are saying something like okay, this is right. This is more correct so that it's coming out as equal playing field. But at the end of the day, I just do feel like we don't always have to be so sensitive and if there is something that is offensive show us and tell us why it is offensive so that we can learn I think we should use this as like a teaching moment. If you know these five thousand people all your signatures like right, right. Netflix a letter write them figure out how you can get in contact with him to say like, hey actually this is more accurate this isn't portrayed the way you're putting it out there. I'm offend it by X y&z boom like yeah, they're very sensitive. Yeah, we are very offensive and what I like boycott and cancel culture and like this whole thing and it's it's really too much. It's so much it is so much. It's a lot to intakes and I'm like Yeah, there's so many, you know things and Brands and Blom like are we still going counting these things? Like I don't know, you know because we're so sensitive and you just want to be tolerant and be on the up and up but it's like that's almost impossible. Yeah, it's hard. Yeah, and also, you know at the end of the day, this is a it's it's a fictional show, right? It's not happened. It's not happen and Netflix even had to put a disclaimer saying that these are not actual events and it's an interpretation. I was talking to my friend about it and I was saying like contrasting all this stuff. Well this and this and he was like look Tatiana. It's like this is an interpretation of something these events haven't happened. You know, this could or could not be biblically based right? This could or could not be Islamic based, correct? You know, right that's something that you would have to sit down with the creators and point-blank asked them right when the series is over, of course, you know because if you tell people before no but you know, either people are not going to watch it or watch it. Whatever. So at the end of the day it is content that is put out there to spark a conversation and to spark Intrigue and hopefully research right, you know interesting interesting. So interesting man so much. Well that brings our review of episode 2 2 and 2 close a close and we will be reviewing the next episode soon. Very soon you guys so before we go let us know where we can find. Have an egg you can find me on Instagram at Eben a Chapman 12. So my first and last name and the letter and the numbers 1 2 1 2 and also I am Tatiana maresa you can find me at Tatiana Maria saw on all social media platforms until then. Thank you so much for joining us here and we are excited to cover the show and more. We'll catch you next time. Our founder Keven undergaro and me Maria Menounos would like to thank you for tuning in to AfterBuzz TV. Remember, we're not just the first were the biggest in the world and were the only destination for all your favorite TV shows whatever your grave we've got it. So go to AfterBuzz TV about cam check out our lineup Buzz see you later. You've expressed herein are those of the host only do not necessarily reflect the views of AfterBuzz TV or its owners of principle.

Season 1 Episode 2 "Tremor" - In Israel, Aviram is blamed in connection with the escape of Al-Mesih. CIA agent Eva is forced to track down the 'fugitive' as he shows himself at the holy Temple Mount. Here Al-Mesih conducts his first miracle. Raising tensions spread as Shin Bet police invaide the holy site, opening fire and accidentally shooting a boy. Al-Mesih is able to put his hand on the boy and heal him in front of everyone. The video goes firal and catches the attention of a Texas Reverend, Felix, and his dysfuncitonal family. Felix's church is failing and in has put him in so much debt he is forced to think of a plan to take care of his family as well as his church. Avirim becomes obsessed with finding Al-Mesih after he reveals his darkest secret. So much so that he leaves his daughter alone in the car to pursue an Al-Mesih look alike on foot. Be sure to check out the After Show hosted by: Tatiana Mariesa @TatianaMariesa and Ebone Chatman @Ebonechatman12 Follow us on http://www.Twitter.com/AfterBuzzTV "Like" Us on http://www.Facebook.com/AfterBuzzTV For more After Shows for your favorite TV shows and the latest news in TV, Film, and exclusive celebrity interviews, visit http://www.AfterBuzzTV.com

Hi everyone and welcome back to the real real podcast with me and Natalie barbu in today's episode. I am interviewing someone that I have actually met so long ago in my early days of YouTube and her name is Hannah Ashton. She is one of the most inspiring people I have ever met. I am obsessed with her. She's so young but so smart and driven and motivated and if you're not following her go do that right now.Is this podcast stop what you're doing? Go subscribe to her YouTube channel and go follow her on Instagram because after watching her videos and listening to her speak on her podcast or following her on Instagram, you are going to be motivated to want to do more and to be successful because that's just the type of person that she is I met Hannah at BeautyCon. Actually, I went to BeautyCon. I bought a ticket I wasn't invited this was in my very early days of YouTube. I went to BeautyCon with my friend Stephanie. Actually and we met up with Hannah, I'm pretty sure stefhon Hannah were talking about meeting up and that's how we met up. We both had bought tickets, or maybe it was me and Hannah talking. I honestly don't remember but we both were BeautyCon just attending it and we met up for brunch and it's just so funny how things have turned out and it's just so funny that that is how we met. I feel like it's so funny how everyone started out as like a beauty Guru on YouTube did I mention that Hannah is only a sophomore? College she is about to be a sophomore. She's only completed one year of college and she is so young. But yet so smart and driven for how young she is. She started her own coaching and Consulting business when she was in high school. She stopped doing that or put a pause on that. She started a podcast where she explains to people how to build a business how to start a YouTube how to be successful how to be motivated. And then she also Now is working on a planner or a workbook. Okay, and is making a product to sell and I don't I just she inspires me so much. Honestly, I wrote a little bit of like a not a script but I had some bullet points on what to talk about like I do for every podcast. I like having a list of running questions that I can go back to and ask and kind of follow a flow but with this podcast I asked maybe three questions on my list and after that I was just picking her brain because honestly I wanted to learn from her. I think she's just so driven and motivated. And yeah, she just really inspires me. I know that she's going to inspire you guys as well. She goes to Belmont University which we do talk about in the podcast and she is a studying I believe Business and Entrepreneurship, which is really up her alley. I'm really happy that she's doing that because nothing else fits her more she is a true entrepreneur we talk about her Journey on YouTube how she started making American Girl doll videos you guys American Girl dolls, which is just so funny to me and she wasn't even allowed to show her face on camera up until she started doing Beauty videos. And she started in middle school, I believe or maybe even like I think it was Middle School that she started. Anyways, we talked about that in the podcast, but it's just crazy to see her journey and it really is proof that no matter how old you are. You can start whatever you want to start you can do whatever you want to do. It's all about mindset. It's all about being driven and knowing that your age is not going to be a factor just going for it. So she could have easily said, oh I'm too young to start this coaching. - who's going to want to hire someone in high school to coach them about their life or about their career? Like I'm in 11th grade. What do I know? She could have easily said that but she knew that she had skills. She knew that she could teach people she saw what her audience and her customers wanted and she did it. She didn't let her being in high school stop her from doing that which I just think is really really incredible and super cool. I mean if she would have waited until after college she would have never had all the opportunities that she has now she hosts Live Events she plans And organizes them. She really wears a million hats because she does everything. She has not had a whole team of people doing her stuff for her and then she's the one promoting it know she is as Hands-On as Hands-On can get and I am so excited about this episode. I'm also excited to say that if you guys want to ask Hannah any questions just hop on over to the private Facebook page. She is answering any questions that you guys have. So request to join the Facebook page and there's going to be a thread on there. You can ask her and she's going to answer. I feel like it's a great way to just be a little bit more interactive with you guys. And I know after you listen to a podcast or at least after I listened to a podcast, I always want to know more. I'm like, okay. Wait, I have all these questions for you. I feel like I want to talk to you. I want to discuss it. I want to thank you. Whatever it is. You guys can undo that on the private Facebook page. So be sure to do that and it's not only for this it's not only for QA is on there. It's really for networking. So if you guys want are looking for a job if you guys are looking for friends. As if you guys are just looking to talk to someone join the Facebook group and there's going to be someone for you. I'm obsessed with it. I think it's like it's the best thing. I love it so much and before we get started I did want to thank the reviewers. So thank you guys so much for reviewing the podcast. I know that podcast reviews, you might not think to do that. You might just listen and then click on another one, but it really does help me out so much. And if you guys do enjoy this podcast, it would mean the world to me if you guys could just go on iTunes and give it a review. You and just tell me how you feel about it. Tell me what you liked. What you think who you think I should have on it? I would really love to know and I just thank you guys so much for that. It does not go unnoticed which is why I want to highlight the reviewer of the week. So the reviewer of the week is Angela bar and she says this podcast is a breath of fresh air. It's so good to find a podcast that is focused on being your own Advocate whether it's on a personal or professional level Natalie such a motivating human and the podcast is great to listen to for my morning workout. First of all, all I listen to podcasts all the time when I work out. I used to be a big music person because it would like motivate me because the energy of the music but now I'm so much more into listening to podcasts. It makes your workout go by so fast because the podcast I listened to or longer than my workout. So I'm just listening along and then all of a sudden my workouts done, but the podcast is still going. It's great highly recommend if you guys haven't done that yet, but thank you so much for saying that you are your own Advocate. Yes. Absolutely in this podcast with Hannah is a perfect example of that. Fee is such a self motivator. She doesn't rely on other people she motivates herself. So I'm really excited to have her on and thank you so much Angela for viewing the podcast. It means so much to me and I really do read every single one and I wish I could thank you all individually. So if you guys do ever leave a review, please DM me on Instagram just at Natalie barbu or at the real real podcast and I will personally thank you. Anyways, I feel like I ramble too much and I just want to get into this podcast because it's filled with so much that you guys can learn and I feel like after This everyone's gonna want to start their own business. So I'm just going to jump right into the podcast with Hannah Ashton. Welcome to the real real podcast with Natalie. Barbu Instagram might be your highlight reel but we're here to talk about the real real. Hi everyone. I am with Hannah Ashton and we are just going to jump right into setting the record straight. The first one is you shouldn't start a business without a degree. I hope this is not true because this is my life. I am only a sophomore In college and I like to say I run my YouTube as a business and then also a few other side hustles I've started as well. Yeah. I feel like you are the queen of being productive and starting new things and being a true example of that. You don't have to have a degree or don't have to be a certain age to start your business and be successful. Well, thank you. I same to you but yeah, there's so many resources out there that I am going to college for business. It's which we'll get into but you know, I've learned so much just in high school reading books and listening to podcast. It's amazing totally second one is that college is for everyone. I don't think this is necessarily true. I love education. I believe in lifelong learning and I think you've talked about this tube. But lifelong learning doesn't mean you have to go get an associates or a bachelor's degree because honestly college is expensive and being in my first year I've kind of Realized how much of the college experience is unnecessary and you're kind of just paying for the experience, but you can do online classes. You can just have mentorship internships. I don't think you have to have a college degree to go into especially like a business career totally agree. Yeah, if you want to be a doctor lawyer, yeah, you might have to go to college but for owning a business being successful and doing just like a normal job or you don't not have to go to college. I feel like I feel like a lot of it is about what who you know Making Connections networking doing stuff on the side like not waiting to get that degree before you start working. I definitely think that that's something that a lot of people feel like colleges necessary but a lot of times it just puts people in student loan debt and then they can't pay it off and they never should have gone to college in the first place. So I definitely think that that's something that should be talked about more. Yeah. I'm actually thankful. My parents had this view on College as well. Like my mom didn't go to college. She actually went straight into her acting and singing career and then my dad just had an associate's degree. And so last my senior year they gave me the option to go to college or to not go to college. They said, you know, we know you hustle we know you're productive, you know, like if we if you don't go to college you're still gonna work and try to you know further your career and you're not just going to be a couch potato so they gave me that option. In and I decided to go to college just because I have the opportunity and I think I'm so blessed to be able to say that and be able to go to a college that I love so but I've always told myself like if I go into college and I'm just like this is a waste of money a waste of time then I'm okay with you know with stepping out of that that realm but I haven't gotten to that point yet. So yeah. Yeah. I know. I am really really thankful that my parents also they didn't push me to do any Certainly knew that if I didn't go to college I still would be successful as well. But I think it's important to have parents like that. Hmm. Yeah, it's definitely a blessing you have to have a large social media platform to start a successful business. I'm going to take a quick break to tell you guys about our sponsor you guys all know what Spotify is but on Spotify you can listen to all of your favorite artists and podcast in one place for free. So you do not need to have a premium account Spotify has a huge catalogue of podcast on every topic. Book including the one that you're listening to right now on Spotify. You can follow your favorite podcast. So you never miss an episode premium users can download episodes to listen to offline wherever you are and you can also easily share what you're listening to with your friends on Instagram. So if you're listening to this ad right now, you should take a pause and share your podcast or share my podcast I should say on your Instagram story and let other people know where to find it if you haven't done so already be sure to download the Spotify app search for the real. Podcast on Spotify or browse podcast in your library tab also, make sure to follow me. So you never miss an episode of the real real podcast. Definitely not I don't think Steve Jobs had a big following. I mean, he didn't even have social media when he started Apple. So tons of CEOs have started businesses without being an influencer having a social platform. It definitely helps and I think a lot of CEOs now, we're kind of going backwards and trying to build that animal connection through social media, but if you don't have a large social media following then you can take more of like a traditional business route if let's say the business idea you have requires a lot of money and you like I use YouTube to fund all my business projects, but you can go get investors. You can do a Kickstarter like there's a lot of options if you don't have a big following to start a business because obviously many many CEOs have done it. I know and the reason I ask this is because I talked to so many of my Friends who have these great business ideas and I always encourage them to start them and they're like, oh, well, no one's going to buy it. Like I don't have a social media following and in my head. I'm like, you don't have to like yes, of course, like you said that helped but it only helps to an extent like it might help like change your marketing strategy, but really other the most successful people in the world most of them did this from scratch so it definitely is possible and I always try to encourage people not to let that stop them from starting a business or doing what they love because I feel like nowadays social media such a huge presence that we feel like if we don't have one then oh, we're not successful but it's so not true for sure and something are I remind my friends to is getting a follower to like a photo is way different than getting a follower to pull out their wallet and actually pay for a product or service, you know, following someone subscribing watching YouTube. It's amazing and it's free. So it's easy to build up a following on that. But business is a different aspect. So like even with me like some products, I've put it out just haven't done. Well, even though I do have an amazing following an amazing community that I love but that's just business. I realized okay, that's not what the market needs right now. So it's not going to work. So now I have my followers know that's so true. I'm so glad you said that followers does not translate to getting them to purchase a product. It's hard to balance what to put on social media and what to keep private. I don't know if it's hard to balance Maybe. He for YouTubers who are bigger it's harder to balance that because people want to know more about their lives for me. Like I said, I had I love the size of my following because the things I put out there they they support me and they love but I've never had followers like Peak too far into my personal life or demand things of me that I don't want to share. I know we were just talking about this before the we started recording but I've always tried to keep a lot of relationships in my life more on the private side, and that's just a personal. Spect or personal thing I've done for myself, but no I think as a YouTuber you can really decide what you put on and off camera, especially if you're editing your own content. Yeah. No, I agree. It's really easy to think that oh, we don't have we don't keep anything private and I was actually having this conversation the other day how people always tell me that. Oh, you put your whole life on the internet like nothing is private, but I am really selective with what I choose to show not that I Keep lots of things secret but there are things that I don't want the whole entire world seeing and there's some people that don't have a social media following I guess or not following but they don't do social media as their job is what I should say, like just people from colleagues of mine or people that I know in real life and they have a fenced out where they share literally like so much of their lives on their that I'm like, wow, I can't believe you're putting this on the internet. So I feel like a lot of times. It's actually kind of the opposite ear. I never thought about That's what my friends will egg me on to like have a fencer or something and I'm like, okay first off. I already have like an Instagram that's honestly hard for me to run like I have to remind myself to post and then I don't need another one. And yeah, it's like no I can I put out what I want and like you said like it's not like we're keeping secrets. It's just guarding our hearts as well. And I mean, yeah, it's just keeping ourselves safe as well totally and you change a lot in college. Hmm. I've only been through one year and honestly, I thought I would change more but this year went by so quickly that I really don't know the core of me feels the same which I guess is a good thing like my core values my core self. I went through a lot of new experiences like living on my own but I honestly thought like living on my own would feel so much different but I just got into my routine that I would have when I was home with my parents and I would forget that I was living without them. Like, I don't know. How did you feel in college you feel like college? Angel, I felt like college changed me a lot by about the living part. I completely agree with you. I didn't really get homesick. I thought that I would get really homesick and miss my mom like cooking dinners or doing laundry or whatever and don't get me wrong. I do miss my family, but I adjusted to college very easily. I thought that I would have a crisis of adjusting or it would be much more difficult than it was for me. But for me, it was actually Very very very easy to adjust to college and kind of like you said, I just got into her routine and I don't know went by really quickly. But in terms of I guess as a person I do feel like I've just matured a lot. I feel like college just put you through situations that you wouldn't have gone through in high school and you're dealing with them alone. So it does change you as a person and that way again, my core is the same but I definitely feel like I have matured a lot which is a good thing. I don't want to be the same person. I was when I was 18 at 83 so yeah, that's I think that's what changes but it does it's not necessarily negative. I feel like change is negative a lot of times. But in this case, I do think it's a positive change. Yeah. I know I can totally see that. I do think my like perspectives on topics and you know, just meeting so many different new people I go to Belmont and so I was surprised by how many people were like not from the south because it's in Nashville, Tennessee, so I got to meet so many people from you know, North east and west coast and so I that was just an experience. I can Meeting those people I think definitely changed my perspective on a lot of things this first year, but I'm excited to see how I grow in the next three years. Yeah. I know. I'm excited for you to I can't wait to watch you and your videos keep up with you and your life and so now we can get into the podcast. So I just wanted to tell the viewers a little bit about yourself. Let them let them get to know Hannah Ashton. So if you want Tell them a little bit about you. Okay? So this also I guess get started with my YouTube journey. I started making YouTube videos when I was 10 years old which sounds shocking but it was really just for fun. And I I love coming home and watching girls with their American Girl dolls. That was like, the genre I was interested in was American Girl dolls. And so I would come home from school and like watch the Youtube videos and they would just make me feel so Happy and like I was a part of a bigger Community than just my small middle school or Elementary School. And so when I was 10, I asked my parents if I can just start doing some like doll hairstyles and stop motions on my webcam, and I'm really thankful that they said yes because that's kind of what started all this but fast forward four years. I've just kept with it and I still do it today. So my content has changed from American Girl doll hair styles to it. Now. I upload weekly videos about Lifestyle like my college transition. I'm also studying entrepreneurship and I got into entrepreneurship probably like junior year of college. It's Junior High School mainly, but I've always kind of had an entrepreneurship Spirit entrepreneurial spirit. And then so I make videos about like business and kind of what I've learned and trying to start my own businesses and then also just productivity time management all of that fun stuff and then as I mentioned I go to school at Belmont University. Varsity which is in Nashville, Tennessee. It's a it's like a semi small private college and there I am majoring in entrepreneurship and I met a double major of marketing this year. So yeah, that's a quick about me you are so productive and so motivated especially for only having done your first year of college. I think it's insane. You said how you got started on YouTube was American Girl doll videos, which I think is so funny. I still All them I have eight. I think I think I've ate dolls Oh My Gosh. See that's something great that I think is awesome that our parents were not one of those people that were very scared of the internet and didn't let us go on the internet because if not, we would not be where we are today. Like I'm glad that my parents were trusted me and obviously watch out with what I was doing, but they were very accepting and open minded about having me start on the internet when the internet was not really as big as it is today true. Ooh, yeah for the first three or four years I couldn't show my face in the videos, but then I mean I was so young. I didn't really need to but then like when I was getting into later in middle school, I started the whole beauty Beauty Trend and so I was like Mom I need to show my face so I can show them how I use like my Revlon lipstick or whatever. I didn't know anything about makeup, but definitely thankful. They let me start. Yeah. I know it's so important to have parents that allow their kids to express their creativity. Do you think that your YouTube channel has Is helped you start your business. I know that you say that you post a lot of productive logs and business minded videos, but do you think that your YouTube kind of helped start it or did it help you become more entrepreneurship or do you think that you are always like that? Um, I would say I was always entrepreneurial just because my dad's an entrepreneur and just so I would watch him growing up. He's always like run our family off of his income. He's a generated from his business and he His story is just so inspiring and he really started just from very little and built an amazing successful life. But so even when I was before I started doing YouTube like or maybe early stages of you to look around 12. I would make doll like hair clips and bracelets and my friend and I actually started an Etsy store. We had like, maybe two sales which is actually I think pretty good, but maybe they were like my Grandma's friends or someone but so I started Having this love for just creating something and sharing it and then having people receive it or seeing the positive impact or you know, seeing a sale come in like it was just so cool to me that anyone can do that from literally anywhere. I was 12 with a webcam and and I was able to do that. So over the years. It's definitely YouTube has kind of created me to the person I am today like I grew up on YouTube I grew up sharing, you know my journey and sharing my interests and my My passions and so my first business besides YouTube because I did start making money from YouTube early high school, but my first business was actually doing some YouTube Consulting around my junior year of high school and having a social media following allowed me to meet one of my favorite mentors. I mentioned her in like every podcast I go on but her name is Lauren Taylor and so I was a part of her team for the letter magazine and we're still friends today. Like she's actually going to be on my Chicago panel event coming up in in June June 22nd. So I'm so excited to have her there but she brought me on her social media team and then after about a year of working for her magazine, she wanted to start a YouTube channel. So I was one of the main YouTubers on the team and so I kind of helped show her what I did like how to create cool thumbnails what thumbnail to pick for a certain video how to title and she mentioned to me Hannah like you're really good at teaching the skill. Because you've done it for so long. I could really see you doing this in college or after college and I thought about it more and I'm like that is so cool. I would absolutely love to just help women start their YouTube channels and help them find the passion that I found so young and so actually over that was in October and then over my winter break junior year of high school. I just played around on wix.com and created a website. They have like a booking section or part you can add to your website. So I added that in and then in January so soon in January. I just thought okay. I'm going to put this out to my following and we'll see like how it does. So the day after my junior year winter formal. I made a video announcing that I was going to do some like one-on-one coaching for people who wanted to start YouTube channels, and it did really it did really well. Like I got first few clients in the following weeks and they were just like one time 60-minute calls and I got to Talked to so many of my viewers which was amazing. And other cool thing was I thought it was going to be mostly girls my age who were buying these packages, but I actually had a lot of clients that were in their late 20s and older into their 30s 40s. So it was cool just to talk to such a diverse group of women about all their different passions and how they want to share that on their YouTube channel. And so I kept with that for about a year and a half and then my senior year of high school. I joined the young entrepreneur What is it called young entrepreneurs Academy, which is like an after-school program all across America. So if you're in middle school or high school, you can actually join this as well. See if they have one in your area. So I joined that program and I through that program. I learned way more insights about business. Like I actually put a business plan together. I learned more marketing techniques. I learned you know, what a SWOT analysis is and so then I actually launched a six-week course. Course because I didn't want to just have one on one coaching calls with these women anymore. I wanted to take them from like start to end with their YouTube channels or start to launch. And so I launched that and then I did that for a few months and I decided to stop doing consulting as I started getting into college just because the time commitment and setting up the calls. I had a roommate and it was hard to find time. You know, I knew it would be it would be hard to find time to have to myself in the room and I didn't Take that much time away from my roommate to have these one-on-one calls. So I stopped coaching last summer. And now I'm just moving forward with a bunch of other things. That is so amazing. I seriously I'm so impressed by your story especially because like I was saying before the podcast started, I I want to go into coaching and Consulting and that's something that I'm really interested in and just to see that you've done that in high school even is crazy because one thing that scares me is oh I'm so Young people won't take me seriously, but that obviously is not the case as you're a prime example and like I mean, I would have gotten consulted or coached by you like, you know so much and being young has nothing to do with it. So, I think that's really really really cool. Thank you. I definitely did struggle with the fear of you know, people looking down on me and being like well, why is she coaching like obviously, like I said, I love my following I love the community I have but I'm definitely not in the top tier of will you tubers and so I was kind of like why are people going to come to me when I don't even have you know, half a million subscribers like and I'm only 18 are people really going to give me their money and you know, I wanted to charge a price that I believed was good for the market good for myself, but and coaching and Consulting and courses aren't cheap in the any realm like in any business needs to go into like coaching is one of the higher paid services and so it was hard to you know ask This money and I actually did sales calls. I did have a business coach to kind of help me through the setup of this and she had me do sales calls. So when someone reached out to me through Instagram or something, they wanted to learn more I set up a call at them. I talked with them one on one just like this told them the price and that was really hard. But I'm glad I did it because it really just showed me to like own up to your worth and know and charge your worth no matter your age. That's amazing. Yeah. I am trying to kind of figure out how much I would charge for services what exactly Would provide and I'm actually reading this book called children or I don't know if you've read it. But I've heard of it. I haven't read it. You should read it. I feel like she's speaking directly to people like us you definitely definitely should read it but she talks about setting up your prices and how for women especially it's definitely hard to do that because we don't talk about that often. It's a very taboo subject money and pricing and a lot of times we feel guilty because we might be charging too much but we really do need to charge exactly what we're worth and that is a difficult conversation sometimes and people are going to say, oh you're too expensive. I can't afford you, but you really do have to stick with what you know that you are worth exactly so good and how did you learn how to set up a course or set up a website? Is this all self-taught? Yeah. It's completely self-taught. So the young entrepreneurs Academy showed me like the basic outline of setting up a business, but the actual course content and Figuring out what platform to use all of that. I just Googled that's kind of what I do with all of my projects like this exciting new launch I have coming up and when I started doing in-person events, I literally just Google and YouTube or search in the podcast app, like how to hire a speaker how to set up a course on using Google drive or using a different platform and then just really like immersing myself in the content and sitting there and watching videos and Listening to podcast with business coaches and yeah just diving straight in and Googling the little things too. Like obviously you can Google how to set up a course, but it kind of gets easier to to piece together when you're first looking up how to make a coarse graphic and then how to outline a course how to do such and such and then piecing it together yourself instead of looking to one website to give you all the information and do you have any specific websites or specific resources? To have been your favorite. Um, honestly, I created my like course just through using Google Drive and I would put together slide shows for like when I was on the talk and then I would do like videos through there. There are other platforms teachable is one that I actually created a course that like didn't have the coaching aspect that people could go through on their own time. So a lot of people use teachable but that is actually one of the products that didn't really do well. With my following and so I created that Course and there was honestly like no sales and I was like, okay people don't want this if they I guess if they want to they'd pay more to just have the accountability of like me talking to them then have like a cheaper option but not have the conversation aspect. So that's so interesting. It definitely helps to learn your audience and see what they like and don't like and there's nothing wrong with putting out something and it not doing well because you're learning about your audience. So I feel like people get so scared. About failed businesses are failed products. But in reality you learn a lot about who your target market is for sure. Yes, and so tell us about your Live Events. I've heard so much about them and I really want to go to one one day. So I'm definitely going to be keeping up with you with that. But I'd love to hear more about that and how you got started with that. Yes. I'd love to have you at 1:00. So February of 2018. I spoke at my first conference about you, too. It was from a company at the time called Blah gets and it was in Arizona. So like it was the whole shebang I flew out. I got up on a stage twice in one day and taught to like and spoke in front of 40 to 50 people and it was just such a surreal experience. I loved it. I got such an adrenaline high like I love speaking. I love public speaking' like this talking about things I love and so on the plane ride back from that trip with my mom. I was thinking to myself. Okay, like what if I did an event in my home? Pound like what would this look? Like? I just put it on the notes of my phone all the things I would think about like, who would I have speak? Who would I have cater? Where would it be at? What would the ticket price be? This is me just brainstorming on a plane on the notes in my phone little did. I know how much effort actually goes into planning an event. Even if it was just for my event had about 40 40 people which isn't huge but it's a good amount and it was a lot so then over my last summer over last summer I was As planning this event. I've done a video about it in a podcast about it because there were a lot of highs and lows. I it was really hard. It was really hard summer because just a lot of Doubt crept in like actually selling tickets and then getting sponsors and just worried set in because I was really doing this all on my own like I have my mom to bounce ideas off of and things like that, but I didn't hire an event planner. I was doing all the sponsorship calls trying to get sponsors myself or emailing organizing everything out of my Pocket like the budget and everything. So it was very stressful. But then it was August 2nd. I believe is the day of the event it flew by the actual event. I loved it. It was great meeting. So many people I had so many friends actually show up and support me and it was I'm so thankful for that and I got to meet a lot of women as well. I even had some viewers like who would watch my videos or who had done a coaching call with me like drive from Atlanta and Florida. So that was super cool to be able to me. Eat them in my hometown of Knoxville. And yeah, I just it was exhausting. It was one of the most exhausting things I've ever done but it was also so rewarding and so that was in August and then actually a woman Jennifer Boland she reached out to me after that event and she said Hannah I'm from Chicago. I want to get into event planning in my business. Would you want to co-host an event with me next summer? And I said that would be amazing because having a co-host and having someone to You know split the work with you like that is what I need because I love planning. I love all aspects of business. I love emailing everything but having someone to kind of take half of that load off would be ideal. And so this past year while I've been in school, we've been planning Chicago creates, which is happening June 22nd. I don't know if it's passed by the time this episode goes up, but it is for bloggers vloggers instagrammers. Anyone wanting to uplevel their influence and our main, Topic is going to be being an influencer outside of LA because I know when I started YouTube really young like I knew I thought I had to live in LA. I had to go to you know, fit him art school and live all the way over there to have a successful Channel, but especially now in 2019 you can live anywhere and still have an amazing market and I have an amazing community. So that's going to be our main topic but it's going to be a three-hour event and with two Acres of panel and then you know food goodie bags Raffles the whole shebang so I'm really excited for it. But also freaking out because it's coming up so quickly and there's still a lot to do. Wow. I can't wait to see it to see it and to hear about it and it just sounds so incredible and I totally agree with you about living in LA because I try to lie for a summer because I thought that oh Allah is where you make it that's where your channel is going to grow. That's where you meet a bunch of people. And it is true that you meet a lot of people in the industry, but I don't really think that's beneficial. It helps making friends I guess but in terms of growing your Channel, I didn't notice any growth really being in LA versus being in North Carolina. And honestly, I realized that light was not for me. I didn't like being in that environment all the time and being constantly surrounded by people. Who do the same thing as you is actually kind of depressing at least for me. I like having a Diverse group of people around me where we can share each other's stories and life experiences and we're not all doing the exact same thing. I felt it was a little bit more competitive and I don't know. I just I like having a diverse group of people versus people that do the exact same thing as you so I completely understand how some people might think that you need to move to LA. But I'm so glad that you guys are shedding light that you don't actually have to yeah, and that makes so much sense because Being in Tennessee, like Tennessee is usually not known as make natural very artsy and creative but like East Tennessee where I'm from doing YouTube is not a big thing really at all. So it's kind of like being a big fish in a small pond, which is really nice and I get to like you said have so many friends like really I'm trying to think none of ya. None of my friends like at school or where I live do YouTube as well. So it's kind of like a unique thing is part of my part of my personality part of How they know me, but then when I do want to connect with like with you or with people who do the same thing as me and like have that fun aspect I can travel or talk through podcasts. And so you kind of get the best of both worlds totally and your live event. You really are holding or doing every single aspect of it. So you're the coordinator your the event planner. You're the person in charge of sponsorships the marketing person. That's insane that you are holding all the hats you're wearing all the hats. Yes it Is and again that's just like the entrepreneur and me loves it and hates it at the same time. So that's why I love having Jen my co-host be able to take some of the responsibility off, but we're all doing we're both doing all of the things. So it's not like we said, okay Hannah, you're just marketing and Jan you're just sponsorships like we're doing it all together. But yeah, I've I've been trying to come up with new marketing ideas to get ticket sales rolling and cold emailing Brands and Chicago. I've actually never been to Mago so this is also where Jen helps because I yeah, I'm really excited to go visit there. But I'm just instagramming like Chicago brunch Chicago juice bars and trying to find sponsors that we think resonate with our brand but it's a lot but I find it so rewarding and I just I love it. Yeah. I know. I love that. That's that's definitely one way to find sponsors. I feel like so many people feel like oh like to find sponsors for something or to make connections with companies. You have to previously know. Oh them or you have to have worked with them. Literally. It's just a Google search away. I always I've done that with my store. I just Google or I go on Instagram and I see who other wholesale companies are following and that's why I find other wholesalers like it's not I don't have any previous connection to them. It's just using your resources and just honestly being bold and doing that like you're saying you're emailing these companies and trying to get sponsors and it's not like you had previous connections with them. Instagram is honestly such a great search engine like it is sometimes better than Google when finding other bloggers or companies that you know have your aesthetic. It's amazing. Do you search by hashtag or what do you search by y'all do hashtags? So like when I'm on our Instagram Chicago creates Instagram, like I'll search hashtags Chicago blogger or Chicago influencer Chicago outfit ideas, and then go follow those bloggers so that they get the notification and then hopefully that'll bring them. Our Instagram and they can learn more about the event hopefully purchase a ticket. So I use that for marketing and also I'll look up. Yeah, like Chicago brunch spots Chicago hotels as a hashtag or just as like in the normal search tell us about your next business. I've been hearing a lot about that before this podcast started so I can't wait to share it with everyone. Oh my gosh. This is my baby. It is my first product. So doing coaching and Consulting podcasting. That's all like content and Space business this is a product business and I have this idea in September while curling my hair. Actually. I just vividly remember this at the time I was using two different planners one for school and then one for YouTube and business and both like both of them still didn't have everything I wanted and I was thinking to myself okay, if I had a weekly spread or daily spread, what would I want it to include if I could have so many pages in a monthly calendar. Like what would I want? It to say what would I want it to help me with and so I started like just sketching out. What I would what I would do using the methods that I've learned over the years because I'm so obsessed with self-improvement and productivity and time management like in high school probably junior year like I got down my system and it's just kept with me and that's how I'm able to balance YouTube and trying new businesses and also doing well in school because that's important to me as well and also having a social life. So I started planning this out and I just thought okay. What would it look like if you created a workbook planner at first it was just an idea for a planner but then as I began going into the designs and what I wanted from it I decided I didn't want to do a 12 month planner to start. So what I'm launching June 15th, the pre-sale starts June 15th, and then the like you'll risk be receiving the planner. Hopefully in Late July is my goal. But what it is, it's the dream achieve workbook and it is basically we a workbook to help you define your biggest dreams and then set you on your way to achieving them. So it is a six-month undated planner and each month includes amazing spreads like with everything all the content on my YouTube channel that everyone asks for is in the spread. So how to set up your morning and night routine how to set up a workout schedule your you know, if you want to plan out your meals content calendar, like all of the aspects that planning aspects that I use In a month for managing all the things is what is in these pages and then the beginning of the book is actually a goal setting section and just helping you figure out if you want to have a side hustle or if you're in school like how to set your out your priorities. So it'll guide you through long-term and short-term goals and then my thought is the planner portion. The achieved portion will guide you through achieving those goals over the next six months and then the end we have just a six-month reflection. But yeah, I am so excited too. Launch this it's going to be sold through Shopify. And uh, like I said, it's my baby and it's been many months of work and dedication and again a lot of highs and lows and I've logged a lot of the experience as well to share, but I'm really excited for this new Venture. I can't wait to purchase it. I'm definitely going to purchase it at the pre-sale the sounds amazing. Well, maybe not. I'm actually going to send you one. I think our list. Oh my gosh. Thank You wait. I cannot wait to get my hands on it and share it with everyone because this sounds incredible a lot of times. I actually want an undated planner because I just need to jot down things. I want to do or things I need to get done or I don't need necessarily day by day. I just want to write down my ideas and I want to write down steps to get it done, but I don't know exactly. Okay. When do I need to get this done by and I don't want to just pick a day on the calendar. So I think this is going to E incredible and it's going to do so. Well, I can't wait to see it. Thank you. I hope so. I'm really excited for it. I'm kind of been like a slump right now because I'm in contact with the manufacturers and there's just you know, so many roadblocks that can happen when you're working with other people and other companies should be out of country. So yeah, it's exciting but definitely like also a lot of stress but it's okay. Are you wearing are you wearing all the hats on this one or did you do? Graphic design. Did you find the manufacturer answer is yes, I taught myself in design, which is like a version of Photoshop but more for Publications. And again, just like Googling youtubing other people who have made planners through and design and figuring out the setup. I wanted it's like I would sketch out the idea first I do time like I like having a to do list, but also a I also time block every day. So I wanted to have that aspect on my weekly spread. Both aspects so that's what the planner looks like. And so I figure out what I want and then I went into InDesign. It's probably took me way too long to actually come up with the graphics and it should have if like, I would have hired a graphic designer, but that just wasn't in the budget. So I taught myself and then I taught myself like Shopify and setting that up and I did hire a photographer obviously for the photo shoot but like planning the photoshoot and my vision for it the colors finding a manufacturer like all of that. Just taught myself and figure it out through. Well, obviously all the people. I don't know if I would say taught myself but self-taught through mentors and YouTube and podcast and all the people who have done it before that's insane. That's crazy. I am yeah. Wow, I am impressed. I am so proud of you. Thank you. Thank you. I'm yeah it's exciting and I because I've always wanted to come out with something as a YouTuber, but I didn't want to do merch or anything like that. Like I wanted to create something and I I didn't want to do a collab with another company like how you did your your clothing boutique? Like this wasn't a collab with an already established clothing brand like you did this all on your own. It's all yours. And it's just something so special when it's just all yeah. It's just your creativity and your brain power put into it totally. How do you how was your day today? Like what is you wake up? And what do you do? So now that I'm on summer break. My summer break is actually really just starting because I got back from A study abroad trip and then the net following we got my wisdom teeth out. So now my summer is actually starting. Let's see. I woke up at about 7:00 7:30 a.m. And I will do my devotions first thing. I love having quiet time with God and so something I've added into my devotions is also reading a chapter of a Christian book as well. Because I if I don't read first thing in the morning, like I will not make time to read my books. Later in the day. So I read a book this morning. I read Uninvited and it was great and then I go downstairs and I've been trying to get into working out because I've been slacking off the past month because I was away and then my surgery so I just went on like a 30 minute walk this morning grab some water and then I came up here and I'm recording with you now, which is amazing. I love doing this. It really fills my cup and makes me so happy and so after this I'll Go downstairs and have some breakfast and then I actually have a interview for my podcast and an hour or so. And so I'll have that and then I try to get all my work done in the summer before lunch or before like 2 p.m. Because this is what I did last summer because as I said, the event was overwhelming me and I was I could have spent all day sitting at a desk and I didn't want do that. I wanted to enjoy my summer with my friends and my boyfriend at the time so I try to stop working around 2 p.m. P.m. In the summer and then I will just enjoy enjoy the day. So it's pretty out. I'll go to the river or I'll go to a movie or hang out with my family. We're getting a pool this week, which I'm so excited for tell me something a lot of time with them in the pool with my family. So that's what my day usually looks like. My evenings are pretty chill. I love winding down with some Netflix not gonna lie like it's very unproductive, but it's what makes me really happy. So I'll watch a few episodes on Netflix and Night, and yeah, that's kind of like what my summer days look like. Well, I am impressed with how you balance everything. I think it is. So cool. And thank you so much for just being on this podcast. I can't wait for everyone to see what you're doing next and pick up your planner and your workbook and I just think it's incredible what you're doing and this fog has honestly was more informative for me than anything. I'm like trying to pick your brain because I can't believe it how much you get done. Done. Oh, well, thank you Natalie. Like I love this podcast when I saw your announcement for it. I was so excited because I'm I am picky with my podcasts like a listen to an episode and of something and if it's not like I don't know a good balance of you know, I don't know there's just podcast there's so many now that I tried to be picky with the ones that I like actually spend my time listening to because you know, it's almost an hour of your life you're giving these people so I absolutely love yours. I think it's amazing for any woman. I love how you interview your friends and teachers and engineers and people not just in the digital space. Like I listen to all them and I was so honored to be asked to be on it. Oh, well, of course, I so excited that you're on it. And I mean, I'm just like I was honored to be on yours. You were one of the first podcast I've ever been on. So thank you for and I'm so glad that we still keep in touch and I just can't wait to see what you're doing. Thank you. Same to you and what? Do you want to plug plug yourself plug everything website Instagram anything? Well, my main bread and butter is YouTube and Instagram, which is Hannah Ashton a sh t o n and then Instagram is MI SS Miss Hannah Ashton and on there, you'll find all the information and then I also have an Instagram for the workbook. It's called dream achieve workbook and you can find that all the links on my website Hannah Ashton.com and then my podcast is the Achieve podcast and that is on Spotify iTunes anywhere you listen. Awesome. Well, thank you so much for being on this podcast and good luck with everything. I can't wait to see what you do. Thank you Natalie. I hope that you guys enjoyed this podcast with Hannah. Like I said how motivating how inspiring she's amazing and such just like a wonderful nice human being she's such a joy to be around and I was so honored to have her on my podcast. I was actually on her podcast as well. Like a year ago or maybe even more so I'm going to have that link down below if you guys want to check it out. I'm also going to have all of her links down below her website her Instagram her YouTube her podcast. There's a lot but it's definitely worth catching up on and subscribing to everything that she does because again, like I said, if you want to be motivated you need to follow of people that are going to motivate you and she is one of those people so I loved having her on and I'm so excited for you guys to ask her questions and to just talk to her and discuss with her on the private. Facebook page, so if you haven't joined already, be sure to join because you don't want to miss that. And anyways, I hope you guys enjoyed this episode. Be sure to give it five stars. If you guys liked it on iTunes, it would mean so much to me follow us on Instagram. Click on the show notes so that you can hear more about Hannah kind of put a face to the name, and I will see you guys next time. Bye guys.

Hi everyone! Welcome back to The Real Reel Podcast with Natalie Barbu. This episode I interview a true entrepreneur, Hannah Ashton. When you look at Hannah's resume, you must think she is in her late twenties or even older. She has accomplished so much and is such a hard worker in everything she does. But nope, she just completed her freshman year of college at Belmont University. Hannah began making videos early on. She always had an entrepreneurial spirit. She then decided to begin her own consulting and coaching company at only 17 years old. And it was successful! She was coaching women of all different walks of life and ages. She also has a podcast, the Dream Achieve Podcast, and she just launched her first product- the Dream Achieve Workbook. I am so excited for you to hear Hannah's story. Her website: http://hannahashton.com/ Follow Hannah: @misshannahashton Hannah's podcast: Dream Achieve Podcast: Click Here to Listen Hannah's YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFwZutfqUGmN1Yc1YcROWkQ Dream Achieve Workbook: Find it Here Where can you find us?

Hi, Sarah. Hi Kirby. Welcome to gloss Angeles. Today is a very special day in gloss Angeles. Why because we have our very special first guess. Oh, that's right. That's right. Okay, we've been teasing this on the gram. Yep, gloss underscore Angeles, which of you aren't following us already. Please follow us like subscribe the whole nine, you know, you know how we do but this guest is so major.You didn't want to just have any gas. No. No, we wanted somebody that was an icon, huh? We wanted someone who has a good heart. Yep. We genuinely like uh-huh and works with all the Best Brands. Hmm. Someone that you guys would actually want to hear from so who is it? Who is it? We are so so so excited to have you here. I'm excited to be here. I'm excited to be in Culver City. Yeah. Thank you for coming to my house. Daniel told me that it was just like rolling up, too. I think I'm Palace. He says that Megan opens the gate which is what I did today. I opened my game for you. I mean the same you're just you're like the duchess. Yeah, basically live and love like Megan love it. Okay. So Sarah. Yes, please intro Daniel. Yes, let everybody know for like two of you who don't know who Daniel is Daniel Martin is a renowned makeup artist whose career spans decades. His work has been featured everywhere from the pages of Vogue and Vanity Fair to backstage at all of the fashion weeks to some of the most famous and most beautiful mugs in Hollywood including Jessica, Alba and Elizabeth Moss. And yes the Duchess of Sussex herself Megan Markle. He's also the brand ambassador for Dior Beauty and the creative color consultant for honest Beauty. So we are beyond beyond thrilled and honored to have Daniel here as our very first glossy Angeles guess we I mean when we were thinking, okay, who should we have on as our first guest because Honestly, not suit our own horn, but we have a lot of interests in this podcast and we were like, okay, this is awesome that so many people want to come and chat with us. Yeah. We're like, who do we really feel the vibe? We had like a list that was like our Dream guest and we were on there and we were like, there's no way I was like what Daniel do it we did and then we pressured him when we saw it last time. We pushed him in the corner like what do our podcast and look he's here now, so they say Daniel Daniel is the best So Daniel every episode of gloss Angeles we start off with something called what's on your face. Okay, we used to go through literally everything that we had on our face but it turned into like a 20-minute or demo. My sister told me it was like AP chem like she was like, I don't know what you're talking about. Yeah, so we want to change things up. Yeah, we're gonna every week now moving forward talk about one to two products that we are wearing and trying out and that we love maybe products we wear all the time instead of going through our entire face. Because it's just going to get redundant at some point. So I'll kick things off. Yeah, Sarah. Do you want to know what's on my face? I did y'all do a notice on my face. I sure do. So today. I actually went to violate gray and I bought the beauty stat Universal vitamin C skin refiner. Oh, yeah sold out online on by like gray.com, but they're the exclusive retailer for this serum and people are obsessed with it. They say it's like the best vitamin C. They have ever tried why and because they say it refines their skin. You're so well and they see actual results from it and I'm a huge vitamin C fan in general. So the woman working at Violet Kray was extremely informative and she said that the reason why it's so Superior to everything else is because it's a powder form of Ella sorbic acid inside of this moisturizer. So makes it super potent. Yeah play it which I thought was interesting. So I have it on my face first day. I let you guys know how it goes. How is the texture it? Honestly just feels like a cream. Not like you have to activate it. Like you have to like pull up Tab and then the powder goes into the cream. It's just like already mixed I guess. Oh, that's so interesting. I want to see that like, yeah. I want to I Love The Branding so I'm kind of Sucker a sucker for everything's nice. I like that. But yeah, and it's $80. So it is like a more luck skincare product, but I'm excited to see what the results turn out because my skin has been a mess this past month and it's finally calming down. So now it's like looks great. That's curious figure it out some my God, Daniel. Make that your ringtone big bless. Okay, great. I'm also wearing Pat McGrath Blitz trance lipstick and Lady Stardust feels like a ball modestly, but all like it provides such amazing color. So I always like to wear them. They're really really pretty. It's a great color. Thanks, really pretty and then Charlotte Tilbury Bella Sophia palette, which I have learned used to be the Dolce Vita palette and that is my absolute favorite of hers. But apparently she had a Change the name because there was like a copyright issue with Dolce Vita. So in case you're wondering what happened to the Dolce Vita palette, it was not discontinued. Its now the Bella Sophia palette. Hmm. What's on your face Sarah? Okay. So today I am wearing the new Fenty Pro filter hydrating long wearing foundation. So Rianna launched a hydrating formula saw that yeah, so which is great because I don't know if you've tried her original formula. It's a little dry. It's like very full coverage yet very full coverage. Very matte finish. So I liked it but I didn't wear it everyday because I like a more like dewy glowy finish and this one definitely has more of like that satin finish, which I like. What do you think? It's really good always looks amazing sweet. So yeah, whatever you have on your face. I want on my face. I want your face on my face. Thanks. That's like meta what's on your face. Yeah, and then I'm wearing a top secret brow product that I can't talk about, but you We know what I'm talking about. Oh, I do I do know what you're talk and talk about it yet. Okay, you'll tell Dana laughter. I'll tell Daniel out there and then I am wearing a kosis lipstick kosis is lipstick in Rose Water. Oh, yeah. I'm like Hannah kosis. Yeah. I feel like love their stuff. That was the first product that came out with right of the lipstick. Yes, right or that I think they sent me their lipstick. Yeah. I really like it's just so comfortable to wear. It's kind of bomb me, but it gives them gives a Lot of payoff exactly. Yeah, and I was wearing not today but yesterday their 10-second eyeshadow, which I really like. Yeah, that's good stuff. Okay, Daniel when you have on your face. Oh God, what's on my face? Is it medicine that my term suggested? I put on an ingrown hair trend out treinen in touch with is it Trenton Owen trickshot? Yes, but do you have a very like regular relationship with your dorm? You see him or her regularly? Yeah, like every four months. Okay, I'm starting to get this funky. Melasma. Kirby's like Queen of melasma Nala and she's like you need to get on vitamin C you need to like, so I'm trying to be just on like the spot just everywhere because I'm in my and I need to really start paying attention to my skin. So she's been really adamant about your amazing. Yeah you really but I need to keep it up if I want to keep this. Skin, right so she's like, okay. This is what you need to do. That's a good term. Dr. Sherry Machine by New York City shout out. Shout. I love a good. All right. Well anything else you want to I have the touch satin missed. Thank you. Like which one is it? That product is not meant to like refresh your skin the way that the other one does or she use it to refresh. Oh, do you because I like how wasn't being marketed like that, right? Yeah, I think I mean, I just like how it feels the doing Miss for me can get really dewy. I literally just flew in right right now. Yeah, and like I needed something just to give my skin some hydration. Yeah, the air here is so dry. And you definitely notice that as soon as you get here. Yeah, especially for a New Yorker. So yeah, that's what everyone not from Los Angeles always says they're like, how do you do it so dry even though this mist is more about more combo skin? In I like how it feels I like how it smells. Yeah, me too. Yeah, and it's always just so pretty all the time to products. Yeah such to and then I have Lana lips lip balm. I just received it. Yeah, it's really good Comfort. We love the founder. Yeah, she's great and I'm a big fan of Lionel up. Yeah, me too. I love their moisturizers and their face wash. Yeah. They just launched all good style. Great. I have a question Daniel. Yeah, since you travel so much. Do you do like a full skincare routine on Plain, like what's your know? I have my medical mask because me, I have my won-won skin masks with me, but I usually mask when I get into the hotel to unpack. Yeah, so I'll wear a mask when I unpack because I'm not going to throw that on the plane. I just can't do it. You feel like it's kind of gross because you're especially if you're doing a mask because your K like capturing all the Recycled are right and it's kind of counterintuitive in the sense that no, Matter how long you're going to be on the plane? The error everything is just sucking the moisture out of your face. So if anything is just depleting like you put the mask on but it's not really helping anything because once you take that mask off all that hydration is going to deplete itself and you don't I mean you need water in your skin. That's the best I think flight tip. You can give anybody for a skin just drink water because now there's brands that are coming out like I got pitched yesterday and in Flight skincare brand. Oh, yeah. I'm like this. This was made because someone on Instagram someone's all this on Instagram and was like, oh there should be a brand that specifically for being in the air and I just I think it's a complete waste of money and I don't think that brand will be along what around like like super trendy. Yeah. I just this whole skin care like prep before you get on the plane. Yeah. Right, right. Absolutely. We're a serum that has antioxidants in it to help with like the free radicals. You're sitting next to a a window like close the window if it's sunny outside or even yeah and just protecting you from the germs of other people. I mean I carry those Clorox y-yeah, I believe the best the most important they have you seen Naomi Campbell. Oh, I I'm exactly her on the plane. You don't like as soon as I sit people think she's extra. I'm like no. No, that's what you how you do have to specially when you're on a plane as much as we are. It's like I wipe everything down also like think about like when your plane comes in, People get off you get it right away. It's probably needs to be cleaning that exactly and also I recently just saw a video of a man using his feet to scroll through the movies. That was discreet. No, it was like I I slept next to a guy who literally put his feet up on the tray table in the middle seat. No, no, and I was literally like looking at the flight attendant kind of like hey six. I need you to help me out here and thank God she was like, can you? Not do that people eat their food there and he was like, oh and like look, I'm like well duh common sense, right sir. Noah has etiquette anymore. No. No, I remember just so set the dress up for flight. Yeah, like what happened now? It's just like a fairy tale. Yeah, the free-for-all. Yeah, sorry tangent because you just needed to talk about those things. We had to let it out. Okay. Okay. So let's get into the meat of this this interview, but this is just a check. Yeah, I mean it's in the gossip. It's a go. It's a go. Okay. So Daniel we read that your very first makeup job was working at the mat counter at Nordstrom. Is this true? This is true. This was 1990 493. Which Nordstrom I'm Notions in Seattle. Okay. Okay, that's like a major. Wow. So this was like the very first Nordstrom awesome Mac had just come to the States from Canada and they Lon Launched at Nordstrom it was makeup artist makeup like, yep. Yeah bro completely pro at the time and then I think they got purchased by Lauder a few years after that. But yeah, that's how I got started. And then I really honed my career though working at a Nevada Salon. Yeah. So did you get that opportunity with Aveda? Because you had I think it looked good on the resume, but when I moved to the east coast so my I'm used to live in Germany and when she came back to the states, she was in Richmond, Virginia and I after a college went to Richmond to visit her and I just fell in love with Richmond and I needed a job. So I did all these odd jobs. I worked at Tower Records. And then this opportunity came up to Apprentice at this hair salon because at that point I'm like I need to get serious with what I want to do and in Virginia you can Apprentice to get your license. So which means that you can work and get the Appearance and then get on the floor. So I realized that couldn't cut a straight line so I couldn't do it. You're like hmm. This might affect my future. Yeah, and but they had makeup so I got into the makeup and then I wound up getting my aesthetician license so that kind of explains my point of view with makeup. So that's kind of how I started. I started teaching for them. And then it was through a Vada that I met Pat McGrath because Pat did a capsule collection for them. Like 1997 which isn't saying yeah to even think about she was kind of like the first one that like makeup artist Brand but it wasn't no one talked about it right exactly. Was that so major for you when you found out that you were going to be working with her? Well, it wasn't I mean I had met her at that point. I was on the education side. So she was mostly doing marketing product development. So she created it was called this the universal glow. And it was basically like it was like a highlighter and it was like a like a beige a pink and you can use it on all these skin tones. So ahead of you is really ahead of her time. Yeah, and then I reconnected with her when I moved to New York, which was like a few years after that. It just really cool that you assisted her and then now like you're at the same level, you know what I mean? Like what happened? It's because I will never ever think right. Toby you're so hung. I mean, yeah, you're so humble. So humble so good at what you do like for us. It's like I can't believe we're here with Daniel God, but also just like a testament to like how hard you've worked and everything that you've done and like look at where you are. Now, you know, which is really awesome weird. It's so weird to think because I feel like every day is you're still trying to reach the goal. Mmm Yeah, you know what? I mean? It's like yeah, this is a job and we want to you know, do good. Work we want to work with great people and every day is a new day, but I don't ever think I would never want to think that I've gotten to a point where it's like I've made it because what does that really mean? Yeah. I kind of like if you feel like you're the smartest person in the room is trying to find another room type of right? Yes. I never want to feel like that especially when you love the industry that you're in right? I mean, I'm so grateful that I'm able to do what I love. Yep and to be able to meet so many great people and work with so many great people. All black and then when you have that mentality to you just want your curious and want to learn more and yeah, so I feel like I mean if Pat was like I need you as an assistant. I would totally jump and do it again. Oh my God, I mean it's like Daniels available. No, he's not. What is the one of the best things that you learned from Pat or maybe something that you just have taken with you throughout the years and it can be just like life advice or it could be makeup like techniques or just like her perspective on makeup. I feel like now in this time with so much makeup and so many tools and so many ways of application what Pat has always been incredible about is herself. skin, and that I would say that's what I've learned from her hurt like you touch the face you massage the face you get that blood going to really pull out the skin and that's something that I that I learned from her because there's a definite disconnect when you apply makeup with a brush when you don't physically touch the face I would agree with you because I just started using my fingers to apply foundation and I feel like when you're using a sponge or a brush, it's so easy to just squirt out a bunch of stuff. I gotta go to town right when you have to put it on your hands and kind of warm it up and then apply it to your skin. Like you're applying a moisturizer or a serum or something like that. You were so much more a delicate with your skin and be you use so much less product. Yeah. I mean when you use Pat's Foundation you really see that the opacity changes and it moves And it just that massaging that finessing of just movement on the skin. You can really understand the coverage that you're getting but I love that you kind of bring this up because I think it hits our question that we did want to talk about in terms of like the social media world and influencers and also oversaturation in the beauty industry. Like you said every day there is a new product a new tool to use and I feel like in the early Arts of like makeup artistry. There wasn't that much to choose from for Better or Worse. So you really were using your hands to apply product and you were able to connect a little bit more with the makeup. Maybe I sound crazy but oh, it's true. It's true because like I apply eyeshadow with my fingers what I'll use a brush for more intricate, but like if I'm laying down a base or if I'm laying down a shaping I'll use my finger because there's a movement that there's a texture And a direction that you get when you use your finger to shape the face, so like using your finger for a cream blush. Yeah and using, you know, just to kind of hollow out the I I would do that with my finger. I love that. What about Foundation? What do you Foundation? I'll do a brush. But if I feel like there's a mask that's happening. When I apply the foundation to the skin. I'll apply foundation with in with my hands. Okay, because you need that warmth from your hands to kind of like meld everything. A thing that's why makeup always looks good like 30 minutes after it's done when you've kind of let it set and breathe and you go outside and that he kind of just gets your skin going and then you come back and you're like, oh my makeup looks good. It doesn't look settled. Yeah, that's why it looks when you apply it with your fingers. It looks more like skin, right. I have a question that I think our listeners probably want to know what is the best way to find your Nation color like to match your skin. That's a great one for me. It's always about looking if I'm doing editorial I'll tend to look at the stomach. Hmm because say if the models like not wearing clothes or if they're like having to be topless or whatever. I need that face in that body to be consistent if I'm working with an actress and I see their dress and it's low cut. I need to look at her chest and then go up. I never look at the face then go down. So many of us do like here, yeah like their chin or I don't know like this kind of your face. Yeah. Yeah. I mean we tend to be more red in the center of our face. So that's what you want to knock out. Yeah, so that's where I'll start and then go up got it. Okay, so speaking of major moments in your career. We have to talk about the row wedding. So when you agreed to do it, did you think it would have the effect on your career that it did and that Become as famous even more famous than you already were zero. I mean literally it was like a friend asking me to do her wedding. Yeah, you're like great. Yeah. I was like, I'm happy you're happy. Of course, I'll do your makeup. I would but I didn't anticipate being asked to the wedding either and at that time my other best friend was getting married the weekend after in Tuscany. So I'm like, okay cool this works out because then I can get to Europe early can't you? Dear wedding and then I can go see Emily. Yeah, right afterwards, but it really didn't hit us like surgeon I until we were in the car and that we understood the capacity of what that day was going to be like because when you're drive we were driving right behind her and we were just seeing people who had been outside for hours trying to just get a glimpse. That's when I'm like, holy shit. This is Major. Me I just got the chills. I really reminded me of you know, I remember when Prince William and Kate got married and everyone was making the big ordeal about it over here. And I remember just being like whatever who really care is like the Royals whatever don't you know, I got up at 2 a.m. To watch it and cried the whole damn time. And then with this like obviously watched it as well and like probably like emotional and mental breakdown at the same time because like what it meant for like Just the culture in general writing but also this was a totally different time to we have social media now. Yeah, so, you know, what II had to I watched both. Okay Mills one for Kate Middleton one that thing for fun and then when this last wedding to cover it and covering it and then having social media and then finding out that you did her makeup. It was just nuts. Like everyone was like get on it like we would start writing about it. And then you know, it's like we go to your Instagram and like wait for you to like post something. We aren't posting anything. It's just you know what I mean? It was we had our phones out that we had our phones off. That's what you said, right? It was just like we didn't know what was happening outside outside of that. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah for sure for sure because it was like this moment in time that I'm always going to have but I have to be honest like it's kind of a blur because so much happened in that 15 hours. Yeah. but it was an incredible moment just to see your friend be married to the person that they love and in such a way that you honestly felt the like everyone that was there waiting and who showed up who flew in from other countries to Witnesses, you felt that a hundred times and then watching the specials and all that way after the fact yeah was incredible because it was such a Perspective than what I had. Yeah, was she like a normal bride like nervous like oh my God. She's the most chill person. And that morning was just like easy. That's why it didn't nothing fazed us. I feel like you have to be completely calm and collected and you're at that level like that because imagine if she was just thinking the whole time about like the photographs or like what people were saying, My or what the headlines were going to be. Yeah, I feel like you just have to completely forget any of that even exist and then be in the moment and experience it I just think it's so cool that one of your close friends like she got married she found love she obviously has a beautiful child now but like it was a moment that was so much bigger than that. Yes, you know what I mean that it affected so many people that's what's weird, isn't it so bizarre It's awesome. I mean it's yeah, it's just because you you wish all your girlfriends and husbands and friends there, you know the best but yeah, it's weird. It's still weird because I mean she's still the same person. Yeah, because he was working with her for years. Yeah 10 years and we've been able to have this incredible friendship before and now after so, yeah, that's so cool. Oh my God, and it's so cool that you still get to like go visit her, but she's just you know, Duchess now, I know I just can't even imagine like what if you begin I mean, yeah Matt if you plan on becoming a do for something like me now, but like we'd still record the podcast. Yeah, I think what would even like what all we have like special privileges and like not be allowed to do certain like I don't even know how you function. Yeah. I think it's just cool and obviously like a testament to Daniel in terms of like how so many people adore you and and and that you have these relationships you develop these relationships with the people that maybe you started did you start working on her and then become friends or yeah. Yeah, so we met when she when suits got picked up and then we just form this friendship and then she was like, you know, I think I'm gonna do this blog. Would you contribute to the blog I was like, yeah, of course the tig the tig so that's how it all snowballed and like 10 years later. I'm so lucky that I can still have that friendship where they're like people that you worked who wanted to or who you want to work with maybe or Brands. We want to work with who like maybe didn't work with you previous to Megan and then like they hit you up after that's a really good question or just like was it weird for people to approach, you know, like calling you like Megan markle's makeup artist that's been interesting and she gave me an Incredible Gift. I I'm I mean to be honest to this day. It's it's still I don't want to say it's challenging but I just have to know that that's always going to be the case. Mmm. Do you know what I mean? Yeah that and it's not a bad thing to be associated with her but that's always going to be it'll be in the back of your mind. Like are they sending me this because they want me to of course I use it. I mean, let's you're like somehow get yeah. Of course, I mean that's just the ebb and flow of that's just that exactly welcome to Los Angeles. They live in now they move so much. Old being a royal baby. Let's talk about like people like us the commoners that will be getting married has a peasant's these Town whoever they are. What's your best piece of advice for someone that is getting married and either wants to do their own makeup or hasn't makeup artist coming in like is there a that is the fact such a good question like a product or something that you should or shouldn't do or like when you're creating your vision for your wedding look like when you do I didn't have a makeup trial with her because I we just couldn't make the time I knew what she liked and what she didn't liked and then we exchange like Pinterest pictures over text. Like I think I would die to see Megan markle's and Pinterest board for her wedding, but I think for anybody Pinterest is an incredible tool to use as a reference. Yeah, and I feel like the most important thing is to not for a bride that's their red carpet moment. And I feel like you can't stray too far. Far from who you look like who you want to be and who you want who you are? Because the last thing you want to do is look at these pictures and be like, I wasn't comfortable and looking like that. Yeah. All right. I didn't like I don't recognize myself. Yeah, right. So it's like finding those elements that you admire and you want to Aspire to achieve but at the same time you still have to have a sense of who you are in there. That's what I loved about how you did her makeup. Is she she looked just like her just glowy and like just getting like a bride on her wedding day, you know, like right could see her freckles still it was like her skin was showing and the dress is so architectual that if she had any more makeup on you wouldn't even look at the dress and that's not what that moments about. Yeah. You don't want to take away from right that dress, right? Yeah, exactly. All right, so I want to talk to you about Shopping. Okay think a lot of people are are thinking to themselves. I want Daniel to come and help me spend my money the best way possible. So if you had a hundred dollars, what beauty store would you go to and what are you going to buy for yourself or your kit? Like what are you absolutely want or need? Oh, that's a really great question. If I enter a hundred bucks, or maybe 200 know we're like I actually can. And A Lot 400. Oh, really? Yeah, we're Target. Obviously. Yes. I also I think I could do well at Ulta with a hundred bucks have no have you like stepped in a Target or Ultra recently like do everything you do? Okay. I was just at Target and Queens New York with Jessica Alba because she was doing an honest Beauty situation there and it was like the first well-stocked Target that had been to in a long time and they totally like redone. Oh, yeah, it's amazing. Looks like a Sephora the beauty aisle is Bomb. Yeah, it's really really really incredible. Okay. So what would you buy a Target? So with a hundred bucks, I would go and get the $20 eyeshadow palette that I did for honest Beauty because it's the perfect day to night eyeshadow palette 19 bucks. You can knock that out their foundations. I would actually hate to say it. I would do the honest beauty cream foundations because that doubles as a concealer, okay? Also to get funky colors, I would go to NYX Cosmetics love Nix is not get their vivid color. They're like these colored cream eyeshadows. And yeah, I love that. Yeah, I love it. It is super pigmented and they're like five bucks or something mascara that I can manipulate and use as a liquid eyeliner if I needed to like multi-use anything. Yeah, and then Nick's has great lipsticks. The liquid lipsticks that honest Beauty just came out with a really nice to dying to try those. Have you tried them? No, I haven't yet a great the make sure you get them. Yeah, you know some 101. Yeah, maybe have a connection there. I'm not sure I would look for products that are multi-use. Yeah, I could use in different ways and then like a really great my slur water because you want to be able to take that stuff off. Totally. I really easy moisturizer because I think Eyeshadows you can use on your brows. So that kind of duals that yeah, I think for a hundred bucks. I could do a really good face. Do you have any favorite like micellar Waters that you use it to make it right now LaRoche Posse. Yep. That's a great one. Yeah, I really like the simple media. That's my favorite. Yeah, that's really nice. Do you feel validated? Yes, I'm like thank God. It's funny that my sister water is turned into a thing because I mean That's been around forever. Totally. Yeah, all the French girls. Yeah and using it forever. Yeah, I don't even like in the morning. I don't wash my face with the face wash anymore. I just using micellar water. Yes. I'm like, what's the point but I feel like some micellar Waters you do have to wash off. I agree. Yeah, some have oral and them. Yeah, which I think is super interesting. I mean, it's good to break up that makeup. You do want to get rid of it. Yeah your face. Do you know who just made a really great not drugstore micellar water is Odo. Sot / Jack day. I was going to say la Prairie of there, right? Yeah. No, I love simple. I think they have a great one. And then I'm a big fan of bioderma. Yeah. I feel like his aim. Everyone table Yeah, are there any new brands? You've been loving recently em any new brands? Oh god. Oh, I got turned on to this incredible skincare. Italy called comfort zone. Okay, I love to hear it. Oh, yeah, they sent me. It's like Clean Skin Care. It's part of the Devon - hair grew like Devin is hair. Ye have skincare and I like their eye masks. Those are really nice Medi. He'll who just came into the state's. They're really great K Beauty Brands. Their skincare is actually really nice to and it's affordable. Do they is there a skincare also at wall? I think so. Nmf is the one line that I'm that I'm using and they had this toner. That is it's almost like a lotion but I love to prep with that and then use their moisturizer right at their serum right afterwards as a makeup base so that he'll masks are great so good. We went to the dinner with Daniel a couple weeks ago and I like use them right away when home and used one. Yeah. They're they're guys selling literally three two, Others $1.99 at Walgreens. Yeah and Amazon so though it like makes zero sense for you not to actually show the heavily because they're so affordable. Best-selling sheet mask brand in Korea. Yeah, that's crazy. You just like there's so many masks and creosote that BTS fans out there BTS uses these so just throw you that's a fun fact. Yeah, but he'll you mention that you use the lotion in the moisturizer as like a primer for the face. Do you believe in you? Thing primers. I mean the only primer that I'll use for someone that has like large pores. I love the touch of primer. Uh-huh. Justic. Yeah, the silk canvas is great to really kind of anybody who has like textured skin. This this primer is great for but I'll mostly use it on the T-Zone. I won't use it all over the face because sometimes I mean I tend to use a lot of water-based foundation, so I need something that's water-based for it. Magnetized on the skin because if you put a silicone primer or anything in between the moisturizer the foundation heat will break that up. Okay. I think this is one of the best tips that we've heard in the whole conversation right now because a lot of you out there are probably using a silicone primer and then a water-based foundation. And when you put on your foundation, you're wondering why it's patchy why you have to take it off and restart over and over again. It's because they're not Not they're not melting together not combining water and oil. I mean you can see it doesn't mix exactly so once it's on the skin and then you have the heat from your skin activating that that separation is going to happen within time. Yeah. So for me if I'm working with an actress and they're in this makeup for 10 hours and I just I need to keep constantly touch up. I need that base to not move. Yeah, because once that base starts to cry. Can it starts? I mean it's like a house. It's like once that makeup starts to break up. It's so much harder to redo exactly which is why you also don't like to use oils, correct? Yeah. So I mean, I love a face oil when I don't put makeup on right right, you know what? I mean? It's like it's refreshing on the skin. It really does hold its hold some moisture, but it just doesn't do well with makeup on top of it for me. Anyways. Yeah if you so if you're having Having trouble with your foundation in general. I think a few great tips use your fingers or hands to you know, warm it up and then apply it to your skin like a moisturizer maybe avoid your primer that day see if it reacts to be with your skin. It could be because your foundation is just not meshing with the primer and then the third thing if you are using an oil in your routine as your main form of you know, a moisturizer maybe don't if you're going to put on makeup, yeah because that could be the problem that could be the source. So the problem yeah, like maybe use the oils at night. Yeah, or maybe like on top for a little glow sometimes right? Right. Yeah. Okay cool. Cool that leads us to our next question, which is what do you think is one thing that a lot of people get wrong when it comes to makeup application one thing. I think that they get wrong that they need a lot of makeup. Yeah, like a full face at 9 a.m. Like more power. R2 if you want to yeah, but yeah, you don't need to yeah, and also I think it was talking about this actually with a friend the other day. I used to be the person that was like cover up every single imperfection that I possibly could have. But then now when I look back at photos and stuff, I'm like, oh it just looks like I'm wearing a face and not like it's me Ryan the size and like do I love a good dramatic Wing? Yes, I'm wearing one right now. Do I have on like the biggest? You know, all Riddell falsely as I could muster today? Yes. I love the Glam of it. But you know, I have like some breakouts right here and I wasn't spending every waking minute just like trying to cover that area. It was just like I have a light little coat of this foundation on that. I applied with my fingers and then put blush on and it's it you know what I mean? Yeah. I don't think I can totally agree your it's counteractive right to completely try to just cover everything because then it looks like almost like you're trying too hard and then try to hide something right doesn't look like your skin. Is there any other Trend that you're seeing on Instagram? Or anywhere that you just are over like what trend you want to die Daniel translation. I mean, I've I've spoken about the Instagram eyebrow before I feel like makeup is Shifting. I feel like the spectacle of watching. I mean I'm guilty of it. I'll get into a whole watching people drip stuff on their face and oh my God, though that drives me nuts Nobody Does that right? And for me, I'm just like oh my God, they're wasting so much product. So I feel like that that reality is starting to break a bit. I think what I'd like to see more of is more creative color on the eyes, not that Instagram, you know, Contour highlighter blah blah blah Reese. Yeah. I want to see something funky. I want to see something Artful. I want to see something broken like the shoot that we worked on that. Yes. Yeah exactly. Yeah you see I'm color as an assessor that right. Yes. Yeah, it was fabulous. It's like, you know your it's taking makeup and wearing it a different way and focusing it more of us as an accessory rather than like this is eye shadow, especially with all the different tools that are out there. Now all of the amazing eyeliners and shadows and brushes that you can really really be creative. You know, how I think is doing that really well. Have you guys seen the show Euphoria? Oh, no isn't yeah. I mean, I haven't watched it but I've seen I follow the makeup artist. Yeah. So Daniela Devi she goes by Donnie Devi. She is the key makeup artist on Euphoria and she works a lot with Hunter Shaffer who is one of the leads on that show and Hunters make up in this series is always so Artful super editorial like a little splash of like neon with like a really subtle like, please mascara situation people are obsessed with this look now, I think because she's showing You can wear them and real life and in every day. I'm putting it in a television program to prove to you that this is totally wearable. Right and it's Artful right which I love. Yeah, and I also love that the characters on that show. They're in high school, right? Yeah, so it's just like that's like mimicking the time but I feel like so many high schoolers currently are trying to look older than they actually are. Yeah, and so this kind of encourages them to still be youthful and playful and Know where the glitter and like a fun way like you don't have to have that like Kardashian cookie cutter, right if you if you are all about the Kardashians and that look that is totally Glam and that's right. I think for me at one point. I was like am I supposed to look like this like, oh my gosh, we're striving in Allah ya when Trends come around you all like often question. Okay, is this like how am I supposed to look like this now? I'm 32 and I like could not give any It's whatsoever. Why I'm just going to look the way I want to look but it's interesting the beauty industry and how Trends come and go the waves that happen. Right? I'm curious like maybe this is like a little tea sipping moment. But like you've been in this industry for so long before social media when you have to start using did you like did you feel like you had to start using social media to help with your your career? That's a I get asked that a lot because I feel like my generation. There's some that definitely got on that wave and started writing it. I didn't give a shit. Yeah. I just what I loved looking at what my friends are doing. I love looking at pictures. I love looking at archive editorials that people were posting. It was more about sharing and being a part of a conversation. I don't use Instagram as my soul way of income whereas some people do. For me, it's more about sharing what I'm using sharing with my friends people want to know how I'm using certain things where I'm going. It's yeah, it's interesting because for me Instagram is just like it's another medium. Yep. It's not the only medium and I feel like we're getting to a point now with social media that you kind of have to figure out your trajectory because I remember being on set Once and it was like the first time the Instagram went down and then they like everyone lost a ton of followers. I was working with this model who lost 800,000 what and you thought someone like killed someone in her family. She was freaking the fuck out so bad and then I'm just sitting there thinking I'm to myself like this could easily all go away tomorrow. Yeah or right now and this is what you're basing this reaction on right and then also like This like that's what you're basing your whole career on right? I think it's her Instagram account. Well, yeah, and also a lot of artists use Instagram to promote like the clients they're working on obviously, right but some of them use their client as the sole reason to get followers, right what happens when that client stops working with you like their whole identity is based in this client like for you obviously you are an expert, you know so much about the skin and So much about makeup. So people are following you truly for your own opinions not because of the people that you happen to write with right. So I always I always feel like it's weird when I'm trying to you know, get a gig or whatever and they're like, well, what's the following there? I'm like a general matter what my following right? I'm just really good at my job. So basically thanks changing to like, I remember I recently I was with a publicist and a hairdresser and the hairdresser was really like He had to post and he had to like get his following up. And then the publicist was like you need to really focus on Google and we were like, what do you mean and she was like if I can't Google you hmm, you're kind of dead to me because I don't I'm finding someone about the reputation. I want to know, you know, what it is that they do who they work with how their point of view is. I don't want to base. The work on just your Instagram account because that's misleading. Okay. So our last question, we always like to shout out people that we love you're one of them. We've shouted you out several times and I'm cute little four episodes who are some of your fellow maybe makeup artists hairstylist people that you think that we all should be following that you really believe in there's so many great people out there and I have very fortunate to have a lot of great friends in this business. I Love Lucy red wedding, I mean, Thuds fact that we're great friends. I think that she's really talented and she has a really strong point of view. Gosh, I would I would focus on Next Generation. I would say grace on has a really incredible point of view. She's more editorial. She's in New York. She worked under Peter Phillips and Diane Kendall gosh. Yeah Susie syllable. I love Mateen. He's iconic Nick Burrows. He's so funny. Yeah, I mean there's so many great people. There's so many great people my friend Tommy bucket. There's just a lot of great fun people out there doing really amazing work and like again going back to it's just we're really lucky to be able to do this and do what we love there's been obviously so many influencers and also Instagram makeup artists who have launched their own Brands. What do you think about that? I mean, To be completely transparent. I feel like the beauty sphere is so saturated and everyone's privy to how things are made knowing that all these makeup brands are turning out so fast, no one's really the value of makeup and as a whole has definitely changed amongst people. So I think if anything what's going to set make up a part now is innovation. Yeah and ingredients. Hmm. Oh my God, you're in my head. You're in my head. I mean cuz I mean if all these brands are turning out so fast, it's like Fast fashion. Yeah, and it's like same eyeshadow palette, right same it's all contract manufactured. So it's like everyone knows where everyone's getting their makeup made Yep. They're just retooling the name the retooling the the packaging but it's all coming from The same place. So what's going to differentiate that something that's Innovative something and ingredients something that's proprietary. So I think anyone can feel their name on it make up right now and that it's just dropped the value of makeup. And I think what's happening with retail is that people are going to they're not shopping makeup like they used to because they're like, okay I can go get something that's less money that's going to give me the same payoff because they don't first and the value of that product. Yep. So I think if anything you're going to see what makeup is going to be different is if you see more Innovation with it, if you're going to see something that's not necessary packaging but it's ingredients. We were going to really look at ingredients. I think that's why you know, clean makeup is making this huge. I don't want to say come back but it's making a huge like Splash impact. Yeah, because people are really they want to know what they're putting on their face. I think that we're going to start seeing Brands going extinct soon. Oh, yeah, because there they wanted to get in they were greedy and they're like, oh beauty is a billion dollar industry. I want to get in on that on this they didn't think in terms of the Long Haul and so you're going to start seeing Brands just slowly but surely start to fade. They're not going to be around much longer and hopefully it will come full circle and it all kind of Get Back to Basics, but I say that you're in my head because I I was like actually ranting about this the other day. I'm like if you have if you're going to ask me a question about the beauty industry and the best piece of advice I could offer anyone about starting a brand it would be don't literally unless you have Innovation or you're offering something to people that they can't already get right because chances are they can already get it five different ways. Right? Absolutely. Gosh. I love this question because I can go really deep with it because the value of how we perceive makeup is changed and That's why you're not going to see these Brands being sold at a billion dollars anymore or like gazelle like millions of dollars because they're not the parent companies aren't they? Don't see the difference. Yep. Yeah, you're exactly right because there is no different. There is no different. Yeah. Yeah, and I think also like consumers to they think oh I can get like you said I can get this palette for Is it has the same Shades? They don't really understand that the reason why this one pallet costs this much isn't just because of the packaging it's because of the innovation in the formula or that the formula is actually better for you. But you know, the beauty industry is also really secretive industry and you don't want to tell people your proprietary ingredients or whatever that is. So then the lack of communication for the consumers like well, that's why I'm going to pick up this five-dollar thing instead and sure there are plenty of amazing. Only products we are not saying there aren't but there are times where I'm like, do you know where that pallet was my gosh? Yeah. Also, I'm curious because don't you think so many Brands now come out with like a pro palette, but it's not pro. It's not made the way Pro pallets were originally made to withstand long hours in the light on set on stage where ever it was now a lot of brands are like, oh, we're pro brand but I'm like no professional makeup artist would use this on site I think. Is more of a marketing totally it's not there's nothing Pro friendly about it. Huh? I would say I mean like if you want to bring it back to Pro Brands, you know, we're talking like mac. We're talking Nars. We're talking even Bobby Brown. Yeah, Laura Mercier Trish McEvoy it can get deep but at the same time even Kevin Kwan. Yeah, but I feel like those Brands now, they're trying to play catch up because Beauties move so fast. And just the way that it translates, I mean Instagram is I kind of feel like Instagram is killed Beauty. Yeah, it makes me sad when I see like really big Brands play into the Instagram Trends and it just some breaks my heart. Yeah. I know I'm like you don't have to do this, you know, you know, you know, I I'm not just saying this because you're here, but I think do your has done an amazing job of keeping appreciate you staying but then coming out with something that is totally accessible for the Instagram, it's Peter though. It's Peter Phillips. I mean, he's editorial history is beyond. Yep. And what he did when he was at Chanel was so Innovative and when he went to do our he just brought that Innovation and that creativity. Yeah. It's like I'm so lucky to be a part of that house. I'm not a big primer person. I'm obsessed with the Dior backstage primer because it feels like skin care. I put it all over my body. Yeah, it's great. No, I'm not kidding like neck bring it bring it. Down to the titties ladies because it does something to the skin on its own too, which is really nice. See that's right. He said you could wear it as like alone as an innocent. Yeah, he gave my weight. I have a fun question. Yes, if you could create one product make a product this in crib, you can answer to that like doesn't exist and you can be totally Fantastical. What would it be? Oh actually this would gosh. I'm afraid if I say it and I okay I made. Go with your next stop. Yeah, not the one that you can make for reals. Oh, that's a really great question. I have to lie under thinking. Oh, yeah. I have one. Yeah tell tell a story is 5 I would make a foundation that balanced your hormones. So help get rid of melasma. That's it. That's a Fantastical answer. Okay, because that's literally impossible to do but, you know someone new Singing never get with me. We can go in it together. The other one is a gel eyeliner that you can apply to your waterline. That truly does not budge or move. It won't transfer to your lower lash line. I've tried so many. My go-to has he tried the Japanese ones. Oh, no, it was you. Oh easy, but I get all my Japanese eyeliners at little in Little Tokyo. He when I'm here do you? Yeah, there's this story. Or that it's nothing but just like k-beauty J Beauty and I get my eyeliners there. Okay. I'm going to take you with me because I go on those stores, but then I don't know. I'm like do I just buy everything because I don't know and that's like a cross from a bakery. Is it like in yes, okay. Yes. We used to live like right there. Oh, yeah. It's like I kind of can't remember the brand but it's like a 24-hour no smudge. No because I use Bobby Brown like the gel liner on my top waterline just to make my lashes. Look fuller and I loved it but it always transfers to my lower lash line and then kind of smudges and then I'll get my inner corner and I it does stay on the longest but it's not truly 100% Like have you ever tried using mascara in your waterline as a liner? I tried it one time but I don't think I was the best at it and I also am not sure I wore it was the best mascara for okay, you need a waterproof like a waterproof. Okay? Yeah because it's the dry down. So fast, so what I do is I take a flat brush, huh? It's a flat eyeliner brush that do are makes and I'll dip it into the Dior show waterproof and I'll lift the lid up and dab it into the water line and it dries really fast great and that gives you so you don't see the skips. Yeah. That's right. Yes. That's a look at Daniel making your dreams come true. Wow. I don't even have to invent a product now. Okay. Mine is a mascara. That would give me my lash extensions. Ha ha ha wasn't that wasn't there a mascara that did tubes like that. I know what you're talking about. Okay, but I think our Blake would you look okay blink tubes? Yeah. It's not the same one that it's like this mascara where you would put it on pump it and then when you applied it, it literally looks like it was growing at your lashes, but we get superstream. Yes, but it wasn't it wasn't a good luck. It will looks like like Harry lashes. Is it was gross or if someone can just invent lash extensions that would last like months. Do you want eyelash and plan? Yeah, it's something that I would invest. I will be a guinea pig I go. I mean we talked work on it and work on it. Maybe I'll like give you lash implants myself just like a perfect great. I'm sure Matt is can't weld with that. He's like don't need my vision not just as long as my eyes look good. Wait. Wait, do you have one? We don't want like, how do you spell your secret? No, it's not a secret, but I Do this hack where if there's like a like a deep cystic pimple? Huh? I'll use cortisone gel and eyeshadow primer to cover that up before I put concealer on top of it. So the cortisone gel. It's like a barrier and it protects the pimple and also treats it exactly. Okay, and then I'll lay eyeshadow primer on top of it to kind of like Smooth it out and because eyeshadow primers so dry. It just it's almost like a like a film. Okay, it just locks on top of it. Then I can go over it with concealer and Foundation. It doesn't move. So if I could create a two in one product with that treatment would be incredible. That would be amazing. But cortisone is an OTC so you don't usually use yeah. Yeah that in cosmetics It's a Good Hat cam love it right next to it. We love it. Okay one last question before we have to end this lovely conversation. Who is your dream client? I mean you work on a lot of dream clients. Yeah, what is there anyone that you're like one of these days it would be cool. If I could do this person to make up gosh, I my dream client would be Tilda Swinton. That's a good one realistic because she's my vibe like she's just sophisticated Chic she's strong. She's androgynous, but she the way that I love how she wears makeup. Yeah, and I feel like she's just I would yeah, that makes us happy secret. You just said it out loud now it's going to happen. So I hope so can't we add a festive? Yes, Daniel. Thank you so much so much fun. And where can I find you? You can find me at the dock now. I'm just kidding dollar store in Little Tokyo in Little Tokyo. Just my Instagram, I guess Daniel Martin. Yeah, great. You're lucky. I was able to get that. Yeah. Thanks Eva. Yeah. Yeah way to go Eva Chen. Yeah, awesome. We could not thank you anymore. Really guys. This is so much fun. Really fun informative. Come back. I would totally come back we could do like a field trip episode where we go to Little Tokyo. We made I would be awesome. I would totally do that. We'll call your people totally. Okay guys, thank you so much for listening to this episode of gloss Angeles. As always, please like our Instagram page gloss underscore Angeles and Subscribe to us on Apple podcast Stitcher, and we're on Spotify to and almost there leave us a review, please if you like us if you don't then just if you're still listening, I swear not to love us. So yeah, please make sure that you send us a little love. Yeah on the in the comment section. All right. Awesome. Thanks guys. Bye.

Our first guest had to be epic, right? Please welcome to Gloss Angeles the incomparable Daniel Martin! Daniel is a renowned makeup artist whose career spans decades — his work has been featured everywhere, from the pages of Vogue and Vanity Fair to backstage at all of the fashion weeks, to some of the most famous and most beautiful mugs in Hollywood, including Jessica Alba and Elisabeth Moss, and yes — the Duchess of Sussex herself, Meghan Markle. He is also a Brand Ambassador for Dior Beauty and the Creative Color Consultant for Honest Beauty. Daniel dropepd by the studio to chat about all things beauty: his time assisting THE Pat McGrath, why he believes the hands are the best tool for makeup application, what most people do wrong with their makeup, how to properly cover a pimple, and, of course. the Royal Wedding! Follow us on Instagram: instagram.com/Gloss_Angeles Shop all of our product lists: http://www.shopstyle.com/shop/GlossAngeles Shop Kirbie’s stash: https://www.shopstyle.com/shop/Kirbie-Johnson Shop Sara’s stash: https://www.shopstyle.com/shop/saratan Gloss Angeles is co-hosted by Kirbie Johnson and Sara Tan. Our editor is Patrick Muldowney.

This is optimal living daily episode 13 24 on the pleasures and Sorrows of life without screens by Cal Newport of Cal Newport.com. And I'm just a Malik your personal narrator and the guy that reads to you every single day of the year from some of the best blogs in the world all for free and with permission from the author's covering personal development or self-help minimalism and more and thank you to butcher box right now butcher box is offering juicy flavorful Grill ready. A 100% grass-fed beef burgers perfect for any summer cookout for $20 off your first box and six burgers for free in every box all summer long until October 15th. Go to Butcher box.com old or enter promo code OU LD again for $20 off your first box and six burgers for free and every box all summer long until October 15th. Go to Butcher box.com 0ld or enter promo code Old for now, let's get right to it. As we optimize your life. On the pleasures and Sorrows of life without screens by Cal Newport of Cal Newport.com. I recently received a message from a friend of mine a young man named Mike. He told me that digital minimalism had changed his life. Naturally. I asked him to elaborate what he meant in response. He listed the following changes. He lost 15 pounds and dropped his body fat by 6 percentage points. He went from being terrible at dancing to pretty good. He sent me a video of him in a dance circle to prove this claim. He developed a Brazilian jiu-jitsu practice any strength in many relationships. Epps this list might seem surprising. My book is about technology and yet none of the changes listed by Mike seem to have anything to do with social media or smartphone settings. But as I've learned over the past few months, his experience is actually quite common among those who take the minimalist plunge when people contemplate the declutter process, I suggest in my book in which you spend 30 days away from optional technology as a Prelude to simplifying your Digital Life. They often predict that the me. Main challenge will be compensating for the benefits and features. They'll miss out on but this prediction is almost always wrong most people report that after a week or so of some mild withdrawal symptoms. They're surprised by how little they missed a features of services like Twitter or Instagram the real problem and this surprised me is figuring out how to deal with all the free time this move toward minimalism suddenly injects into your life. Here's our reader named Lori described the experience of going through Digital declutter quote. I learned that a lot of actions in my day are Mindless. We all have much more time than we think we do. We just fill it with lots of scrolling. Here's what I realized. I'm addicted to using my phone specifically using my phone to curtail board on during free periods in my life my problem, which is apparently common amongst people who have done this same digital fast is that it didn't have a good downtime activity to engage in end quote. Another reader of philosophy Professor named Anna put it this way quote. I was left with a lot of Silence. What do I do in the evening after work when I'm home alone and really tired and it's raining hard outside in the beginning. I spent a significant amount of time being bored. I wandered the house in circles looking for something to do and quote we convince ourselves that we use our phones to fill in occasional idle moments, but stories like Lori and Anna's Point toward a more troubling. Inclusion, perhaps we initially use our phones in this manner, but over time their role expanded suddenly pushing aside other more sustaining activities in our lives like the ones purely social Drinker who ends up hiding empty beer cans from his family all this tapping and swiping has a way of shifting from an occasional distraction to a default Behavior. So when you finally remove it you're suddenly left the whole mess of Silence just you and your feelings and an uneasy sense of not knowing what to do. To do next which brings us back to Mike faced with the sudden stretches of free time generated by minimizing his Digital Life Mike decided to aggressively fill in these blanks. He began by following my recommendation from chapter 4 to inject more Solitude into his life. He deployed what he called the aob method with his phone as in airplane mode off and in my bag to force themselves to regularly be alone with his own thoughts and start getting in touch. What he cared about what he was missing and most importantly what he wanted to do with himself because Mike is young in his 20s much of his socializing happened online. So he also decided to take proactive steps to replace this sense of connection after minimizing his Digital Life to do so, he instituted regular office hours each week pre-scheduled time periods during which his challenge was to connect with people. He cared about either in person or on the phone as Mike explains. To me he ended up getting back in touch with people. He hadn't really talked to in years and the long-form analog conversation fostered a sense of connection deeper than anything. He had experienced in recent memory. Finally. Mike made a list of the concrete personal goals. He wanted to pursue he recruited a board of directors and expert Mentor for each goal to help direct him and hold him accountable. It didn't take long before the accomplishments that opened this essay began to pile up Lori and Anna had Similar experiences, they'll Laurie reports. She's still looking to develop a quality Leisure activity. She's been investing heavily into real-world interactions with her friends quote. I've met with friends for a launch hung out with friends casually hang out with family casually play tennis with friends run with friends. I even spent a weekend away with my running friends from New Hampshire and quote Mana for her part also parlayed her boredom into more meaningful activities quote. I wrote a letter to a friend. Who is struggling right now? And I wrote cards to some graduating seniors in my college. I texted a friend and made plans for getting together over the weekend. I practiced yin yoga, and I went to bed early and to quote she ended up canceling the Netflix subscription. She previously relied on to escape from life. This is all really hard work. It's much easier to Simply fill your time posting to Instagram or passively gorging on auto played video, but Lori reports of reduction in anxiety and Stress coupled with an improved mood and I gave the following summary quote. I noticed that I feel better calmer more in touch with who I want to be and with what matters to me end quote and I've never seen Mike happier. You just listen to The Post titled on the pleasures and Sorrows of life without screens by Cal Newport of Cal Newport.com. They key to butcher box for $20 off your first box and six burgers for free and every box all summer long until October 15th. Go to Butcher box.com old or enter promo code o LD butcher box makes it easy to get high-quality humanely raised to meet every month butcher box delivers a hundred percent grass fed and grass-finished beef. 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Cal Newport of the Study Hacks blog shares his thoughts on the pleasures and sorrows of life without screens. Episode 1324: On the Pleasures and Sorrows of Life Without Screens by Cal Newport of Study Hacks Blog on Digital Minimalism Cal Newport is an Associate Professor of Computer Science at Georgetown University, who specializes in the theory of distributed algorithms. He previously earned his Ph.D. from MIT in 2009 and graduated from Dartmouth College in 2004. In addition to studying the theoretical foundations of our digital age as a professor, Newport also writes about the impact of these technologies on the world of work. His most recent book, Deep Work, argues that focus is the new I.Q. in the knowledge economy, and that individuals who cultivate their ability to concentrate without distraction will thrive. The original post is located here: http://www.calnewport.com/blog/2019/05/31/on-the-pleasures-and-sorrows-of-life-without-screens/ Please Rate & Review the Show! Facebook Group and Join the Ol' Family to get your Free Gifts! For $20 off your first box and 6 burgers for FREE in every box all summer long until October 15th, go to ButcherBox.com/OLD or enter promo code OLD.

Hi, Sarah. Hi Kirby. Welcome to gloss Angeles. Okay, today is our eighth episode and we want to thank everybody for listening to our Daniel Martin episode in case you missed it. We got press people. It was a huge moment for curbing me. Also. I like got on my Instagram story and I said the Press covered us and literally have not felt more idiotic in my life. I didn't findNow weird at all. I was like the Press covered up the press as a whole. Yes. I did Cover us. I'm acting like I'm not a part of it. Dumbassery want to thank the press for covering us. We want to thank everybody because we teach pitched people we told our friends we had Daniel on and we gave them some quotes to look at and then it kind of just snowballed from there. Thank you to all the publicists who taught us how to write a pitch email to the right way the right way everything. Thank you to Daniel, of course again for coming on the Pod. I mean, how many amazing tips did he give to so many countless a plethora? Yeah apple. Thora I can't wait to have more saying yes on who do y'all want on DM assigned us on Instagram find us on Facebook subscribe like comment review I was like, what's next? Okay. Okay. Should we talk about what's on our face? Yep, it's what's on your face time? All right Kirby. What is on your face? Okay. Well, you can see my face I don't have on that much makeup has had a bunch of meetings this morning. It was running behind I have on on a girl on meteorites baby glow light revealing BB cream essentially. It's like a tinted moisturizer it love this low eaf super glowy right now. I'm not very tan. So I had limited options when it came to my foundation and I just wanted something to even out my skin tone a little bit. Give me a nice glow but didn't look like I had a ton on my face. I really love this product. I've been using it for years 200g staple. I really like her lawn. I don't use a ton of their products but the products that I do use I'm very very invested in so big fan also, they have really awesome packaging for some of their some of their products like their lipsticks. Sometimes coming this they really awesome case which feels kind of Supernatural like next-level futuristic Vibes some so I'm just a big fan of girl on I think that they make beautiful products that work really well. Yeah, and you look great. Thanks boo. Okay. What's on your what's on your ADI yes. Okay, so I'm breaking the rules a little bit because I want to talk about this brand called color Street nail stickers. Have you tried them? No, okay, so I was in a bit of a pickle because I was going on a press trip to Vancouver last week and I had did not have time to get my nails done and I cannot paint my nails at home for the life of me by myself. I don't know if it's because I'm really impatient or I'm just like just as was not born with the gift of being able to paint between In the lines of my nail beds, so I quickly just grabbed some of the stickers that they sent did it on the plane great. They're basically nail polish stickers. So they their nail pits nail polish. It smells like nail polish when you open it up. It's obviously it's pretty big when you put it on but then you're meant to just file off what you don't need. So then it stretches covers your nail bed file off what you don't need and then it's this has been like what? Oh, Almost a week now. I mean they look so good. Yeah, and they like don't really chip and it was literally the easiest thing and you don't put anything on top don't put anything on top it took me maybe 15 minutes to do both my hands and that was the first time I've done it. So I'm sure with some practice it'll take like less than ten love but there was also really fun to do and they make a lot of really cool patterns and colors. I'm wearing one that's kind of a sparkly silver glitter. And yeah, I could not recommend it more and I know that this Not some new invention and people have probably tried this before but it was new for me so I could not shut up about it. I dig it. Yeah on our Instagram. I actually put up a poll, you know, do you still buy ya a nail polish and I found it really interesting because I was like, I wonder if people actually because I we get sent nail polish all the time to know what new shades are out there and listening it was the verdict. Okay, so I pulled up the IG the final verdict. Do you still buy nail polish? Yes, 48% not in years 52% Wow. I'm actually really curious about this. I cannot tell you the last time I painted my own nails or toes actually. Yes, I can it was when I was working at popping sugar and we did a lot of nail art videos. Yeah, so I would always have like an acrylic or or something on to lengthen my nails but then I would paint over it and create a look. This was probably five or six years ago, but then it was kind of like nail art kind of died. Out for a while at one point nail art was like the only thing and then it was nothing at all. I think it's kind of it's definitely back. Yeah, I think it like you said it's totally coming back and I think that people are way more interested in doing their own nails at home and being more creative and are not afraid to sort of DIY it yeah, so I think that and you know with Brands like color street that are coming out with stuff that are just making it easier for you to do your own nails at home. Obviously. Sorry. Epson Tuttle, Alban June. She makes the poppy which actually does help when I attempt to paint my own nails at home. Yeah, but also her little stickers like the nail art stickers cute. Yeah. So I think that yeah with all the new innovations that are coming out people are definitely more inclined to paint their nails at home. However, I just love getting my nails done at the salon same I go mostly for the massage and stuff like that and like the callus remover and all that stuff. But I mean, I just like the experience. Yeah, you know, what's funny all luxury people tell me some people tell me that they do not like getting manicures because they feel like helpless they cannot use their phone. Oh my God. Yeah, and I'm like, well, that's probably a sign that you should probably you have an addiction. Yeah time to calm down. I freaking love it. I love going I go to a place primarily in Beverly Hills called tnl nail Lounge. They're one of the only places in La that does. Dip the railway and I say the right way because a lot of people commented when I was asking. Okay. Do you guys do dip acrylic regular polish gel and a lot of people were like, I love gel because it's long lasting. I wish I love dip but it always is too thick. Mmm if you get dip and it's too thick the person doing it. Yeah, they're not they're doing it wrong. It needs to be two dips into the powder and then they need to spend a lot of time filing it down and making it smooth and making it thin the first time I got dip I hated it I was Who the hell would want the bubble now? Yeah, I like looks like a mound on my nail. Nobody wants that right, but then I started going to tnl they spend. I mean I'm there for two hours. Right? And there's someone's doing my toes and my hands at the same time, but you don't have to go. Will you go like every three weeks? Yeah. Yeah, like I can push it to a month if I need to which is great. So big fan also love Queenie and the burger weaning a shout-out Queenie literally the best personality and Nails just so yeah, if you're not following her on Instagram, you should follow her. She's got some great. Espo. Okay. So what is happening in the news? All right, let's talk about celebrity Beauty Selena Gomez filed for a trademark for her own Beauty line. We need to have a sound effect for every time a celebrity or influencer create their own makeup or beauty brand. It says according to Harper's Bazaar Gomez filed paperwork with the US patent and trademark office to create a line of quote unquote. Selena Gomez beauty products and it includes in this is typical for any type of trademark that you're going to file but it says fragrances Cosmetics skincare preparations haircare preparation soaps moisturizers essential oils, like Kendall Jenner, I think do the same thing. Recently Haley Bieber did the same thing recently. So that's kind of standard. I really hope that she doesn't call it Selena Gomez Beauty and I'm not saying that because I don't think she has a great name, but I And her to have a little bit more street cred with it. Like I would love it. If you just take a left turn and name it something not even remotely close to what her actual name is. Absolutely but still was cool. But I also kind of like thinking of it like Gomes like, oh I'm wearing Gomez aye whoo, like I like that. I kind of like them. I mean it reminds me of Gomez from Adams Family, but like I'm also a weirdo what I'm curious about is what her Target demo is because she has such a large fan base. Totally that spans so many ages. I wonder if she's gonna cater to people. I can't remember how old she is now 2625 something like that. Yeah, so I don't know I'm like is she going for like her like her group of friends or she going for like the people that are younger than her that are her fans the thing that kind of confuses me about this is like why why obviously money number one like during the dollar signs right now? But why you Selena has never talked about wearing makeup or like that. She enjoys makeup or even skin care is also just so naturally beautiful. Yeah, so it kind of makes it hard for me. Like I think she's gonna have to spend a long time developing this brand story like this year. She's gonna have to kick up the Instagram I even get it right or do we think it's going to be really skincare focused and it's about self-care and you know make me feel like From that angle. I think that's smart. Yeah, because that kind of relates to like what people have seen about her public life examine the Press, but I think if it's not then she really is going to have to go hard to try to convince people. Okay? Yeah. She's an actual expert at she's excited about makeups Beauty. She's been a beauty addict for however long you don't even so I'm interested to see how that goes. Totally definitely would love to chat with her about it. Yeah. So Elena if you're available girl, what was Her band named Selena Gomez in the what gosh I should know from my tiger be yes, but I guess you should you should I'm so now that she was on Wizards of Waverly Place Selena Gomez in the what this is gonna kill me. Now. People are probably screaming. Yeah. Yeah, they're screaming it. It's this. Okay. So speaking of celebrity security lines young influential people. It's totally okay. So I was really psyched to hear about this. This is one. Celebrity Beauty launch that I'm like this makes so much sense. So Millie, Bobby Brown is launching a vegan Beauty line, which she's playing for. Yeah. She's super young baby angel as oh at 15 years old. So I'm reading The Hollywood Reporter right now. It's at 15 years old stranger things actress Millie Bobby Brown. He stars in Netflix obvi and now she's taking matters into her own hands with Florence by Mills. I think this is So cute going making a left turn or a right turn whatever turned. You said and naming it something that doesn't have to do with your name. Yeah, exactly. And I think it's just cute. I think it's so cute fun. It's young and it's she's gen Z. So it's a gen Z focused beauty company. It is PETA certified its cruelty free and vegan and it says that it includes products like a face missed a face wash a concealer a light skin tint a moisturizer a face scrub and then like an Joe and then an eyeball, so I think that's interesting. I think that it's interesting that she's a putting eye products like that into this line. Maybe it's more focused on like brightening and helping with like puffiness or feeling tired. It's not necessarily anti-aging. No, I can't assume. I wish I could have my skin at 15. Amen. Amen. I don't think I did anything to my skin at 15 totally and I'm washed. It may be. Oh, well, I was I was a little psycho. So if you don't need to know about that, but like, you know, I was doing a little more than that, but I like that it has like a this just feels really on brand and it feels really authentic to her as a 15 year old 15 year olds love face Miss. They're really popular right now their product that you can use and like feel like you're actually doing something for your skin. And then there's like a little regimen here and then a couple of you know color products that will help conceal breakouts or whatever. You're going through a 15. I don't know. I just think it's I'm like I'm standing Millie Bobby. And she's literally like it's a child it hurt. I was watching all the promo vids on her Instagram or the Brand's Instagram and they were super super cute. She's adorable. Yeah, she's everything she's got I mean obviously a huge fan base. So I think that they will probably be purchasing her products. I think some people were like why so I will tell you when we were chatting about this at bustle with our team. We were saying how you know, Millie Bobby Brown is such a fashion icon. Ikon has been you know, she's great stylist and our looks are always so incredible and you don't really I mean you she definitely has amazing Beauty looks but it's more focused I think on her fashion, so we thought it was interesting that she decided to go and Beauty route, but then also not because beauty is where the money is totally and I know her makeup artist that she works with a lot Kelsey Dina Han is she like hell she also works with Reese Witherspoon and stuff like that. She works with A-list clients on a regular basis. So I think she always makes Millie. She makes Millie. She let smelly have fun with makeup. Yeah, like if I was 15 or 14 when I started getting into this, you know, Hollywood lifestyle. Yes, I can imagine going to a makeup artist and being like I saw this picture of this this girl that I love and then you know, you're like OK, how do I to par this down for a 15 year old totally. So I think that she a lot of people like to say Milli Bobby Brown has grown up too quickly like the stuff that she's a like the clothes that she wears sometimes. And stuff like that. I like letter lit. I mean I was trying to be 25 when I was 15. Yeah, I was wearing stuff that I mean definitely didn't make me look 25 but like she also has a really mature personality. I agree. I let the girl live, you know, leave her alone. I think she's legitimately just so cute and has a fun little Personality. Yeah, and it's like getting un Ambassador. Yeah. She's gonna grow. Well, I mean she was dating this kid, Jacob Sartorius or whatever his name was and like I was like, oh my God, this kid is such a little teeny bopper, but That's who she should be liking right now. Thank God. She's not liking a guy like 10 years her senior percent. Amen. Okay. Anyway, okay, Millie. We love you. We can't wait to try the product. I feel like I'm like your mother or Aunt or something. But like please come on the mother. Come on. I uh, yeah, I was older sister may be okay like cool. Aunt: okay. Very young Aunt. Okay. Take this very young emphasis Okay, so, Oh segueing into another one of our favorite celebrities. Mmm by now. I'm sure everyone has seen Chrissy Teigen was on her Instagram and she was getting Botox in her armpits to stop them from sweating through her silk dress. Yeah, girl. How about that life? I just I mean we both love you ever gotten it. No, but here's the thing is so my friend Tammy. Could RZ shout-out is works with dr. Jason Diamond who dig Chrissy Teigen zarnitz. Way I met her. Yes. We met her at their you met her at the Patrick top party. Yeah, so I texted Tammy and I was like I need to do this to my pits and she was like great come in. So I'm going to comb it go in and like a couple weeks and try it out my God. Can we go together? Absolutely because as I don't know if Glam Julie knows no, but I am very sweaty. I'm very sweaty. I know that. Oh my God. I'm so sweaty. It's like something that I'm very self-conscious about really. Yeah ask Matt I have here but I'm no idea. Yeah. I'm like Like constantly just so sweaty and then very self-conscious about the pits. So but II don't I don't sweat profusely enough where I've thought about getting Botox in my armpits. Yeah anything Chris you'll do like I'm obviously like up for it. I love when Chrissy told us that that Becca event that she like got her armpit fat liposuction or whatever. It was. I was like now I want my arm right got liposuction. Yeah, because she that's why we love Chrissy Teigen. She still feels so Real and I know that sounds so cliche to say but she really is like literally we were at this event promoting like she was promoting her Chrissy backup palette, which I still have to this day. And I'm one of the best Pilots out there bring it back. Yeah, it's gone. It's gone. It's like limited edition, right? So because we just talked about expiration date. Yeah. Whoops. I mean, I think I'm still good for like five more. Yeah. I've never thrown a we have no but she was like just I think she was probably drinking at the time and with pepper tie in the back. Ground pepper time calling her mom out on getting plastic surgery on her face. Yes, Jen Atkin, was there Mary Phillips was there like doing her makeup? And and literally she goes our friend Lexi asked have you ever done any in like crazy beauty treatments and she goes? Oh, yeah. I had my armpit fat liposuctioned. You know that area that looks like a vagina where your armpit meets your arm. And I was like bitch. Yes. Yeah, and then she like member she pointed at her face. Yeah and just just in general like all around her. Body, yep, and you like this and yeah, I was like girl. Yeah. Well like whatever you're putting down I'm picking up so so I don't know if Chrissy Teigen technically suffers from hyperhidrosis, which is for those of you don't know that's when you have abnormal excessive sweating that is not necessarily related to heat or exercise and in this case her pits, but I think that she just, you know doesn't want to sweat through her clothes. Totally. Why not my friend fun fact And that will make everybody happy. Especially our friends at Allergan. This is a non labeled treatment. Yes, which we should have a whole discussion about what's on label for Botox and what's not but botox cosmetic is one of the on label treatments that is FDA approved to be used in this way is using it for your armpit sweat so you can get your insurance to cover it. You're saying no. No, it's it really is just a protection. Yeah. It's like they use it. So When they were testing it out essentially, you know that if you get it in your armpit, right? It's proven to actually work for that. Yes. Okay and people who get BOTOX in their part their hands if they have sweaty hands, is that what they also use it for? Yeah. That's what I know people who have done that before interesting. I don't know if that's something that would be I would label as well as I'd like, I mean, I guess if it's just for hyperhidrosis, yeah. Yeah your has your hands or if that's like all seven area weeks have a I don't know I I need to look into it. I like obviously it's all listed on the website. I think they specifically mentioned underarm, but maybe I'm wrong. Where are you guys getting Botox? Tell us other than your face. I want to know. Oh my God, where would I get BOTOX to fight? Is there an area that I should be getting Botox? Our followers have like gotten BOTOX for hyperhidrosis that all I can in in a weird place. I can't I've got Botox in my neck for what because I was constantly. I mean I grind my teeth all the time. I was like building out my neck muscles. I looked like Clay Matthews go linebacker. It was really sexy Patrick was so attracted to me and I was like, can somebody please fix this like, my neck is like 4 feet wide he like get this taken care of. And dr. Nancy sam'l itís still a little little injection and I was back to normal go. Give me that long that yeah. Okay. All right. What are we talking about this episode Kirby Okay, so It's our post Sun skin care routine. A lot of you are probably enjoying Labor Day coming up or finishing up your summer for offered those of you who are living in LA and it's going to be summer until October, correct. So if you're out in the sun going to the beach going to the pool or just going to be outdoors in general. I think that there's some things that you can learn and keep in mind when it comes to sun exposure. Yes. So let's talk about what is happening to your skin when you step out in the sun so your epidermis which is Top layer of your skin is being compromised. So it's stressed out and it is leaking moisture your so your skin is losing hydration the more tan you get AK burned and that's why it's always important to moisturize after you've been in the sun exactly as a you know, Avid self tanner and airbrush Tanner like moisture is key for me to keep the tan on longer. So if you do tan in the sun consider it almost the same thing just if you want to keep your skin looking. Looking hydrated and and want to keep your eyes all over as well. Yeah, like it will help so there are a few things to consider before we get into the Aftercare, right? We want to talk about prevention. Yes, because 90% of skin aging is from daily sun exposure and has nothing to do with getting burnt. Yep. Yep, and now Terry facts that's that's a fact and that's because there are two different types of UV rays. There's UVA and UVB I grew up working in a tanning salon before we knew it was bad, but I had to learn a lot to get certified about UVA and UVB rays and how they work UVA penetrates your skin deeper. It goes past that first layer of dermis. I always used to remember UVA means UV aging that's what's going to cause the cause the long-term aging as you know, your life goes on you might not see the results immediately. You'll see it over time. So if you're constantly exposing your skin to the Sun going and laying out without any type of of protection, you're going to notice that in a couple of years. Yeah. This is like when you when you turn 30 and you're like, yeah, you're like what happened? I've been today like oh that was when I was like laying out for days and days and days when I was in high school. Yeah, like our parents are you know, somebody, you know, definitely laid out wearing Crisco and like one of those Shields so I got one of the foils. Yeah, it's like cool. I didn't do that, but I did get in a tanning bed, you know, probably four to five days a week. She stopped. Yeah. No way, Texas. Hello. Oh, yeah. Playboy Bunny sticker on my hip like a girl. I mean I worked at a tanning salon. Right? Right and no, I mean it was really cool back in the O's but then I realized you know overtime. Oh crap. This is actually terrible for you when I stopped cold turkey and became obsessed with sunscreen, but I'm noticing now, especially my neck and decollete. I'm like, oh crap. I'm noticing that it's kind of Aging prematurely and I'm doing a lot to kind of Remedy that now so save your Yourself? Like I know it's the sun is so great. I love being in the sun. I am item indeed. Right but at the end of the day, I also would rather be psychotic about caring about some protection than then and there so I'm having to go back we could carry our parasols and wear our hats and there's you know, clothing with built-in protection. Now, there's so many things that we can be doing. I wear a visor from it's called blue stone. I have done to visor or whatever and it's Sunshield. Yeah blue stones then Shield huge, but it'll it helps. You look like you're joining Daft Punk. Yeah seriously, but it's great for so UVA aging UVB burn. So when you get a sunburn that's thanks to UVB rays. That's why when you pick out a sunscreen, you should really consider a broad spectrum sunscreen that fights both UVA and UVB rays. Okay, even make sunscreens that aren't broad-spectrum anymore, I guess so people who want to tan. They're trying to find like yeah just UVA. Yeah, probably. Bleah not going to cut it guys and Prospects from all the way and like burning can lead to skin cancer can lean to be like second-degree burns. There are so many things that can happen. So if you're thinking well, I'd rather protect myself against UVA, but I still want to try to get that tan and then also we want to talk about the fact that even if it's not super Sunny, even if it's overcast, you still need to be protecting your skin 100% because I remember reading 20% of The sun's Rays can still penetrate your skin even when it's cloudy. Yes, and that's why I always wear sunscreen even on my body, especially when I'm driving to yeah, you know that left arm and there's that study that oh, yeah like to reference it said that in the Pacific Northwest. So Seattle Portland, all those cloudy rainy places skin cancer is on the rise because people are not wearing as much sunscreen as they should be so and then just briefly touch on a few. On screen tips, you need to be using a shot glass for your decollete neck and face. I love this tip, right because you visualize a shot glass. Yeah full of saying screen. Yeah for your face neck and décolleté and it doesn't seem like a lot but when you have to put a hole shot glass on your like, holy crap. There's so much here. Yeah, so shocked last for that and a shot glass for your body physical sunscreen is great. But again broad-spectrum like I would definitely be thinking about if Get a mix by what I do love a love a physical sunscreen spray sunscreens. What are your thoughts? So spray sunscreens, I love spray sunscreen because of the convenience, but you definitely need to rub them in. Hmm. Like I like to apply my physical sunscreen and then ask if I'm like on the go if I'm going somewhere I'll toss in my spray sunscreen. Yeah and hint mate hint actually makes the sunscreen spray sunscreen that smells like pear. I need to try that was delightful. Yeah, and then also guys drink water drink wine. Basic life tip your skin is leaking moisture. So replenish. It sounds so gross. It's decrepit. Yeah, but that's what's happening. Okay, Sarah. So then we've been in the sun your skin is leaking the moisture. What do we need to use on our body? Okay. So your main goal when you get home from a day at the beach or day of hiking is to replenish the moisture in your skin. You've just traumatized your skin. Your skin is feeling hot. It's feeling inflamed. It's burned it. Dehydrated. So what you're going to want to do is look for products that are going to soothe and cool and moisturize and restore your Skin's balance. So you're going to want to look for products that have ingredients like aloe and yogurt oats lanolin ceramides lipids. All of these ingredients are going to help repair the damage that you have already done and they are usually typically what are in after sun care products in General on that note. And I want to talk about what you shouldn't be putting on your skin after you spend the day in the Sun. So we want to avoid any products that are drying your skin because remember the moisture leakage guys. Imagine like on your body and the moisture lamp just boring. I bet you look like a wax figure if you spend too much time in the sun ladies and gentlemen, okay, so you want to avoid products with ingredients like retinol the HS like glycolic acids else. Like acids and any of the acne fighting products that you might typically be using on your face you want to avoid those because they can dry your skin out exactly and one ingredient. That is fine. That's an acid hyaluronic acid. Yep. Put that moisture back in your skin. Yeah do it. That's the only one you can well, I don't know if it's the only one but it's one that you should be slathering all over your face. Correct. Don't use petroleum jelly or coconut oil you people know? I coconut oil is the devil Kirby's number one enemy truly if I'm ever talking about how much I love coconut oil and how I've turned and changed it's because I'm getting paid like literally a million dollars to talk about it. Listen. I hope that you do one days on your Instagram has a collaboration with I'm Kirby Johnson and I'm here to tell you guys some coconut oil. I just love these coconut oil. I slather it all over my face and body and then I go get extractions because the commad owns are just all over the place. Okay, so that's that's all that's a little taste to happen. When Kirby is a billionaire petroleum jelly and coconut oil trap heat within the skin it can like just keep the it can keep the Bern going strong. Yes, because what we want to do when we get home is want to cool the skin down. So when you're applying a fatty product like a petroleum jelly or coconut oil you're trapped in the heat. Eat your skin is going to be more inflamed and like you said the burn is going to keep on Burnin and if you've seen so I have a video where I interview dermatologist about this. She actually recommends coconut oil. I know I was horrified what I know. Did you just drop the mic and you're like, I can't do that. How do I cut my professional composure Wonder though what her? Okay. So as we know coconut oil has antioxidants, so maybe that is the angle that she isn't that okay. It's about there's so many antioxidants that are great for the skin. I do think There are beauty products that include coconut oil and that are formulated in a way that it's not the number one ingredient which I think is fine. Right and maybe she means like a few days after not immediately. I hope not I can't remember. I honestly think she said that's what you should do. The other thing too on the same note of not using acne products. Do not exfoliate. Your skin is super sensitive at this point. Maybe if you're like, it's been a couple days. Days Inn, you're peeling you might want to lightly try to exfoliate but like don't peel off the skin. Don't go nuts. Yes, your skin is just super sensitive and you don't want to cause any more damage. Yeah, then you need to and when you're in the shower do not use a bar soap. Yeah, don't use a bar soap. That was actually a really great tip. I learned from a dermatologist. A lot of bar soaps have a lot of drying ingredients in them. So kind of like, yeah like that. Yeah eliminate that from your regiment and while you're at it do not take a hot shower which honestly To be a masochist if you get a sunburn and you're like on shower like yeah look in the hot tub getting hot avoid a hot tub. If you have a sunburn because well I was going to say if you have a sunburn and you get in a hot tub in like it's peeling or like whatever you have a second-degree burn that just feels like infection waiting to happen. Why why would you do that to yourself? Yeah, don't don't do it. Okay, cool. Okay. So let's treat this sunburn. Yes. Let's say you spent a little too much time out on the each and you got to burn it is Chris Pratt recently. Wow. Why do I always forget foxy Chris Pratt? I need I need to how do you know that Chris Pratt got sunburned because he posted about it on his Instagram. I'm sorry for missing it. Listen. I'm just telling you he's getting into guardians of galaxies shape and he looks just kiss me. He's get it. I mean, I like I like pudgy Chris Pratt, but I'm like seeing the six-pack come back and I'm very excited. I got it. I'm Peter Quill is like Patrick at a time. I'm really like Patrick. Do you hate me? No, he loves me so much. Okay. So you see Chris Pratt. He's literally making jokes that he looks like one of those ice cream bars that it's red white and blue. Oh like he has like a white thigh a red thigh and then like blue swim trunks or something. Okay. It's like dude. Where was the sun screen? Yeah, there was no reapplication Katherine Schwarzenegger. Where the F. Were you Catherine? Yeah. I got one. You don't want a job you were there with him. You got two jobs all the paparazzi pics. You gotta be a loving wife. And the number do you got to reapply the sunscreen Pablo was also they're not helping out anything Rob Lowe of anyone you should know you've aged great rob, you know that, you know, the importance of sunscreen don't like a skincare line or something. I don't know whatever. Okay. Anyways, he was great he does but when you have this sunburn one of the first things that's really easy to do is to jump into a cold shower. Just to bring down your body temperature. Obviously, if you have a burn you have a high body temperature. So let's take it down. It might not actually probably would feel great. Yeah, probably feels good. I don't I can't personally attest because I have never really gotten a bad sunburn and then you know when you have this sunburn you want to use a low that's 98 percent plus pure aloe vera as an ingredient for that actual real relief. I read this newsletter from heyday. And they were like do not use aloe vera that is the color of Ecto Cooler AKA Hi-C. Oh my God. I was just about to say that the green gel just because they're green and you're like, oh that means it's got a lot of aloe in it. No, have you ever tried to cut a low out of an actual? Ah, yes, it's clear. It's clear and it's all so disgusting like it's like it really actually looks like slime and I used to do a lot of DIYs early in my career for videos and we would make it with Aloe vera plant. Yeah, like having to slice it out and then it's so sticky. It's sticky and then you have to put it in a blender to blend like blender throw it but it's definitely not three. Not lime. Slime green guy's it does not look like Slimer from Ghostbusters. Yeah. Okay. So just get that out of the way protip. I know that there's some lotions that say they have a low in them, which is great. But some some of them are loaded with fragrance. So you have to be careful about that. Yes, and as we know the synthetic fragrances can irritate your skin and that's the last thing you want to to do to a sunburn one of the brands that I think makes them a good aloe vera product. That's not just like straight out of aloe vera is from Jason. It's a brand that you can find a lot of times in vitamin shops and Whole Foods. I think they have a 98% plus aloe vera lotion. That's great. And it's like super affordable. Yeah. So another thing you can do is pop an Advil pop an anti-inflammatory. Pill-popping Adi Listen, we're not trying to encourage you to take drugs. However, if you get a sunburn and your swelling we want to help you decrease your inflammation in your body. So consider taking an Advil or Tylenol or whatever or like smoke a doobie, whatever you want. Actually that's a good point. So as we know CBD is filled with a lot of anti-inflammatory properties. So there are some Brands out there that are making CBD after son scare. That's our sun care products, which I honestly I'm here for it. I'm totally here for that. I actually really love that idea for CBD. Yeah, there is a brand that's based out of Santa Barbara. It's called div EOS. I believe we'll put it in our notes. They make a CBD after sun care product. I can get behind that. I think CBD is highly unregulated and like super confusing for a lot of people but you will see benefits from that topically totally It's a really beautiful molecule by the way cd/stereo all did you know I like molecule my did I do one tip. I actually got from another dermatologist is to drink green tea and obviously a cold drink will help to bring down your body temperature but green tea is filled with antioxidants and you don't have to drink all of it. You can take a little bit and make a cold compress with the green tea and put it on the burn itself. Okay, just if it's starting to swallow it will help it can help with redness. You and if you're experiencing some pain, it'll just feel really nice to have something cool on it. Yeah, but speaking of pain blisters. I've never ever go now. Let's drive. Honestly. I have never burned in my entire life because my mom never let me stay out in the sun one and two. I'm like pretty tan. I'm trying to think of the last time I ever got a sunburn and I truly don't remember like even when I was at the tanning salon. Yeah, I knew that I needed. Needed to put on like a pre tanning lotion not like it protected us at all. Right and then you would only stay you would work your way up to like the 20 minutes or the 15 minutes if it was a higher pressure bed. It was 12. Yeah, if you're getting a blister you're probably like surfing or you're in the Sun for a long periods of time and you're just not really not playing your sunscreen. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not a fan of that. But what like, how do you protect a blister? Well, first of all, don't pop it don't touch it. First thing I've been doing but like no do not touch your blister if you have a blister and I would probably because I'm crazy. I would go to the doctor and my term and be like help me. I remember this isn't a blister story. But I remember when my boy cousins got a sunburn and they had they were starting to shed. Uh-huh. Oh and I freaking love that and I was just like pure gloves that he Yap of his back. Yeah. My mom was like whatever disgusting it is. So gross. Yeah. About now so speaking of creepy. When should you go to the doctor? Okay, we're from a sunburn. So we obviously said we would be heading there within like a little tiny appearance of something. Yeah, but you know you're doing not so well in life if you feel ill so you've gotten the sunburn you've been in the sun all day and all of a sudden you're nauseous. You're dizzy. You also have like the redness from the burn. Yeah get yourself to a doctor so they can take a look at you. You could potentially have a Heat stroke, which is not fun. So don't delay if you feel like all right. I'm not feeling 100% And I feel like I'm not functioning the right way definitely gets the doctor. Yeah, I mean just in general with all of a sudden sunburn but like if you are experiencing sun exposure and this happens go to the doctor and I mean like an actual, you know, ER or something not like your dermatologist because all those say go you're to go to the ER or whatever. Okay, so then when do you think it's time to see a dermatologist? Mythologist for you sunburn. Okay. So Chris Pratt's comes you and he's like I have this red leg to me. You know, I mean Chris Pratt's coming to you. Oh, yes. He is not doing her job. I hope so God that none neither of them. Listen to this podcast like like please God. I hope they do listen to gossip. And so let's McNamara knows her. Okay, I'll send I swear to God if you're listening and you say anything I'm going. You have to do some damage control because we want to get on her podcast. I want to talk about rescue dogs Okay, so let's talk about the different degree burns first degree. Burn Chris Pratt means you're a little pink little pink and this is gonna last for a few days. But if it gets any worse, I feel like that's when you're supposed to see your dream, correct, correct, which leads us to the second degree, which can last like if your birth Sunburn is lasting you a couple weeks. It's not gonna made a yeah, like and then your blistering seek help. Yes. I mean we cannot help you anymore. Don't know we don't know we good don't come back to this episode and like rewind yeah, we're just gonna tell you that see the dorm, correct. Then you already kind of touched on this but don't scratch or pop any blisters. You might have you will get an infection. Oh, I love this little note signs of infection include red streaks or oozing pus the line. Only are you leaking moisture? You are oozing pus that is discussed gratulations. Okay. So before we send off we figure we actually forgot to talk about the face, which I think is super important my tea maker. Yeah, and of course we know like let's put on sunscreen and keep that mug protected but I think something that's really useful is thinking about using like a vitamin C or vitamin E serum before you apply sunscreen because they're packed with antioxidants and antioxidants are really important for protecting your skin from the The radicals that are out there and I also want to add that if you like, you know, you went on a tropical vacation. Let's say in your back home. You want to be loading up on the vitamin C serums that week. I always use a vitamin C serum. Do you yes, I use a vitamin C serum. I'm a big fan of SkinCeuticals. So I use Easy roll lick that smells like ham and I also use CF Lorton and it's also like a broad spectrum serum that helps with Like has antioxidants in it and helps the free radicals and I always put that on before I put on my sunscreen if I'm going out to the Sun so you guys not only is it going to be preventive and help with your skin before you step out in the sun? But it also can help reverse the damage that you already did. So it's a win-win. I mean, it's not like a magic right wand by any means but it definitely can help. Yeah. That's why I'm just a huge fan of vitamin C in general. I think it's one of the best ingredients out there for absolute texture Act. Any wrinkles whatever it is and coloration. Everyone is making a vitamin C serum or a product with vitamin C these days. So it's not like it's not hard to find its affordable. So get yourself a vitamin C serum guys, please do and then I actually, you know, I like wearing face masks after I've been exposed to the Sun for long periods of time because it just feels good. Yeah South care, man. Here we go. So when I like favorite shocking run a reuleaux rapid response detox mask It has like licorice root in it. It's actually a man asked me to help with hormonal acne. But the key is that it's helping to calm inflammation in your skin. Okay, and so with inflammation causes it causes like a variety of issues of an obviously your skin is inflamed if it's been in the Sun and burned or whatever. So that's like one of my absolute paves. Yeah. Okay. I like to use the medical intensive hydrating sheet mask gray, which you love Daniel loves it just feels so good that that cooling sensation on your skin. And then it also has all of the hydrating properties in it. You could go to the drug store right now and get it to an S less than five bucks. Yeah, and then leaders mask they make one also. Okay Beauty brand they make one that is called too much fun in the sun Q. Yeah, and it has Cactus and butterfly bush. So also going to help rehydrate your skin and then so I like to use the touch of eyelet see radians now my gosh, that is so funny that you put this in here. Because I was going to put it in here too, but then it has a chaise in it. I know okay. So I performed before we recorded this. I texted Ray and I was like Ray so I want to say that I use this but are you supposed to use it after the sun? I feel like it's gent has like a small amount of Ages because when I use the Via its the Tacho Violet see Radiance mask you've seen on Instagram. It's her beautiful purple, Mass. Yes, and I don't usually experience like like any of the typical effects that most aha is no give like you don't it doesn't tangle. You know it more just brightens and hydrates totally but not in like a shed to shed your first layer of your skin brightening exactly. And I don't know I just and it feels like cool on your face. That's why I wanted to recommend it because it was one of the unlike its creamy. It feels my skin feels really nice and hydrated afterwards and then it has that vitamin C, which I think is helpful. Yeah, but yeah, I mean But it did she didn't say anything. So here's what I would say if you like burned your face don't use it. Yeah, if you were just you know out on a sunny day, but you were wearing your sunscreen. I think it's probably okay. Also just in general it's a great mask. Yeah, like it's a great pre-event math. And then another 1 Peter Thomas Roth the Cucumber gel mask also great math. Is that it? You're a giggling. I'm just laughing at us weird. Um guys, I listen I feel like we were not on our a game today like kind of Look all over the place. You'll have to deal with it. We this is how things really are. This is who we are. This is who of us that are Daniel Martin episode and you'll take us at our son care episode you love whoever we are. We tried it. Yeah, we love this but this is I honestly it is really important. I just want to make sure that everyone, you know protects their skin this weekend. We going forward our hope is that you will shield your skin as best as you can because this is your In vessel, you have to live through life with so yes, and if you learn one thing from this episode then we've done our job, correct, even if it means that you learned that your body is leaking moisture. Oh, I just like him now envisioning literally someone's like hole a hole in somebody's body like in their stomach just like should we name this episode? Your body is leaking moisture. Yeah, we should that'll catch some eyes. Maybe that'll get us more subscribers. Maybe that'll get us Chris Pratt on here. Good job. Keep it start. 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Welcome back to the 90th minute. We are your hosts. We got Lucas we got was myself Liam co-host Greg yet again not here this man. He's lazy even Lucas is here. You just cannot major surgery. Well, not really major huge. Anyways, this is a midweek special. So we are going to discuss some of the news going around Europe and we might also do a live stream in a couple hours here. Yeah, it won't be live on YouTube, but we might pull us into clubs from that on this podcast. We're gonna we're gonna watch our classical we're gonnaDid on Tick-Tock because we are many followers on The Tick Tock. Yeah, if you are new follower on Tick-Tock or a new YouTube subscriber, we greatly appreciate your support keep sharing us. Keep hitting like make sure you are subscribed your calm down below. Give us your thoughts on this podcast any you know, the football news we want to hear from you guys again, once again podcast plays are going up and up. I think we had our best week last week. So it's going well for us unique things boys big thing else. We will see for a huge. We are going to start throw in the primarily with some managerial news. It looks like Arsenal finally have their new man. Yeah of cording to yes many sources including fabrizzio Romano Sky Sports and other reported on other rather reliable something usually yes, they are but Miguel arteta said to become new Arsenal manager today, man city has accepted Pep Guardiola wanted him to stay but it's a great opportunity for arteta. Here we go this offer because our choreo Le killer TED Talk. The X Arsenal player. He spent a few years at that club. You know, he's a he's a he's a decent leaf and favored. You know, he did very well when he was at Arsenal. That's a very well, but I knew he was a great player. He's pretty good. I don't know what he's mentally he was one of the best players in the game. He doesn't know what makes you say that he was a very smart plan. Exactly. Well, that's why Arsenal wanted him to be a youth watches. Liverpool only doesn't watch Arsenal games. Okay's? Okay. Where is very clear? This is so much like third division. Italian football risk put respect the mikkel artist named Miguel arteta, but but I can't let let's bring this down from first Arsenal side of things and then we'll go to Man City for Arsenal. They're getting a man who supposedly should at least on paper. No the club, you know, he knows what the DNA knows what the history knows about the play style. However, he is very inexperienced. Yeah, you know, and this is a very crucial time for arsenal were there slipping further further down the table bad play style bad off the field issues. Players that don't want to be their players that really shouldn't be there. They're not good enough. Do we think Miguel arteta is the right man. It's so hard to tell because we've never seen him. Well, we seem to manage a match first Manchester City before one Pep Guardiola has been suspended but we don't really know what type of manager he really is as a first-team coach because he was the assistant coach of yeah, so I mean, he does have top level experience not at the hell not as the top top, man, but To me honestly my personal opinion. I think this is Arsenal taking the cheap route think so. I think this is them cheaping out and saying, you know what there's bigger managers out there. There's bigger, you know paycheck so they could pay but arteta will be cheaper. He'll be easier go with him and see that if see if it works and also learned under one of the best managers of all time 2% I don't think he's a terrible option, but I don't think he's the best option either. Well, who is the best option in your opinion? I think Carlo ancelotti would have been better for mentioned him soon. Yeah, it's going to be really interesting like this. This is more of a project. I feel like you have to give this time which I know Arsenal fans are not very patient right now. But quite frankly Arsenal is is a rebuild waiting to happen as a tea That's be torn apart and rebuilt. Yeah. Well as what do you think about this? This is a great signing You're a man whose Club got even the boss is an ex-player. This is a good idea. We build is happening. I meant just United you need someone who knows the club to be in charge. It hasn't really worked out for you guys know it's been working. Well are you talking about is it really you have to be patient? We're also rebuilding this as so you please you have to be patient with you like we can alert. Yes. I think we predicted this as well. I did. I think I said there's like two months ago. Yeah, we all kind of said hey, why not Miguel arteta, you know, he's been under Gordy all the for a while. He's I think he's ready to take on this challenge. Yeah bit big but I mean all I got sacked from Cardiff and then he went to Manchester United. So here's David Mulder for yeah, so I mean, I mean to be fair all I was not really initially thought of as the main manager. I was gonna surprise the first like all the animals of all people but discussion, are you got appointed? Yeah, so but yeah, it's interesting appointment, you know, well, it hasn't been confirmed yet. We should say that all the time of one thing for breaches says here we go it happen. I agree. That's how you want to go to dinner with this matter something you want to just you do love for Richie. Oh, he's always right so you like for briefs. Jion, jion, look at the Mark 2 because they get everything right? Yeah, that's not bad pronunciation from you. Thank you. That's not bad. Yeah, that's why it wasn't Lucas is the Luigi voice don't ever do that again. Here we go, Dona no don't even try and I remember recording a technically has not been confirmed by Arsenal or anyone else but chances are it's gonna happen the next 2436 going to be managing it and Everton supposedly obvious. So, how do you so let's look at this from Manchester City's perspective. Things aren't going so well in The League season. They're still playing pretty well for the most part, but they're going to lose one of their coaches which has been with them for these past three seasons. I'd like to say lose the main man here as well. There's talks about Pep Guardiola ready to jump ship. Yeah, we mentioned that on the podcast last last time. So if you're interested in not whole argument and discussion in our previous podcast link below is in the bayou, but do you think this is going to affect city much or not real suppose. They are soft of hey I think is 1 million. Five million pounds. No my arm out which is chump change for these clubs. That's what man said. He makes an hour kind of things actually off shirt sales. Yeah, exactly. So I mean off breathing. Yeah for man to you. I think you'll have a huge implication. Probably not in the grand scheme of things. No, I mean, I mean, I don't know who Pep Guardiola assistant manager was when he was at Bayern erode Barcelona, but I'm sure one of them are available. He just called him up. Yeah, he'll pop on over to this has an arch as have been that City longer than Guardiola. All those are tight originally was with the youth teams. Yeah, because he was either going to go to Arsenal or Manchester City's youth teams to decide with Manchester City and proved to be the right choice. I have more faith than Miguel arteta than Freddie ljungberg. Well, because he said Freddie ljungberg is there because there was no one else Avail? Yeah, poor pretty fair poor Freddy. I mean, I don't think McKellar tattoos gonna get this him. He's imagine. No, I mean, okay, we've said that our son is going to be a rebuild our sons going to take time. How much time does he have? It's you going to have two seasons five seasons of don't start getting results. Now relegation will be a serious consideration and that's it. Her to think I'm a loser some good. Where are our solid table right now. They have 22 points. I believe they're tied with Newcastle. I think they're like seven points ahead of relegation scenes in 2010. Could you imagine a second that are sort of Newcastle and points in the table? Thank you castle for a while. We're okay Claire. They were our store and they're there in the mix of Burnley and white. I think for ourselves. What's scary is it's not October. It's now January, you know, we're coming into the new year and they're still down there. Well, it's you know, it's not all doom and gloom, you know, the championship isn't tough teams. It's good competition. So and you never know. They might not even come back up if they go down. Oh wait trips to Darby Kelly the former down. I'll leads are probably to come up right so it's it'll be a good time for this make your clubs. Not that far away. You can't banter too much here like three points ahead of ours that far away unless we're playing Colchester in the Cannibal Cop. That's what matter will show them. What's up? Let's see what you lose. We're talking about mannion a potentially being relegated earlier this year as its right now. We told you guys to shut up after be sitting and Spurs. Okay, and you go and lose to burden lose. We drew you lose something small to play. Okay, whatever but Back on the Miguel arteta news. Yeah, it's going to be if it is appointed. It's going to be a huge transitional period for Arsenal new manager new playstyle new ideas new tactics. It will also probably be a new era of players that are so you can see I'm Sorry Devil Louise and socratis and Colosseo Notch and I can keep going here. There's probably there's probably a dozen players and there's no can offload do have some quality players but there Not working. They don't want to work with us. We look at the front three. That's the biggest ones. You have Pepe. Aubameyang lacazette on Ted on paper. Those three should be and what Peppa Kim is a premier league. He looked like he'd been he would have been outstanding player. He has not worked yet a notional he scored a couple of nice. He scored a very nice free kick, but rumors are lacazette could be on the way out because he's not getting game time without being given the big matches. Aubameyang. Is he ready to jump ship because quite frankly he's better than Arsenal in my opinion. I mean honestly like it are are are still gonna try to play like Manchester city. Is there going to be some differences with the style of play? I mean, I think under Arsène Wenger Arsenal played one of those attractive brand of football the passing the movement, you know, Arsène Wenger was I thought a phantom imagine this are tensed does extremely well somehow goes up the table and also finished second the season. Yeah you imagine that there's there how many points between that did you? Imagine that story over takes out that would be a beautiful fairy tale. That's 17 points hate to break it to you. I know man city of not anything is possible in the that's not even now I still expect Arsenal to be poured defensively with arteta despite not knowing much just basing it off probably gonna be a little similar to Manchester City Style. They're going to try to players available. Yes, you can bring in a new manager, but you cannot rely on Socrates David Luiz Colossians match you can't Grant jacket. You cannot rely on these guys. I'm sorry. They're not good enough Arsenal Football Club. They're not well, they're not they're not or his right now. Are they they're a big team. They need to be at the top challenging for title A stability used to be a very historic. Do yes. What happened to them? Yes, I own I'm fully aware leads used to be good. So we're talking come forward. I am Forest won the Champions League twice in a row. I'm aware what I'm saying is this is a club who have money have a Good fan base have a great Stadium still or an attractive name across Europe. They need to act like it. Oh, we're gonna see how it goes on first. We'll talk about their first matchup, I guess during the weekend and maybe it will go well, maybe feel cold awfully. Who knows there was another managerial change in the Premier League again, not confirm technically, but well, here we go. Pretty much confirmed again as from for Beetle Romano here ancelotti, Arrington. Here we go. Carlo ancelotti is ready to sign it as new Everton manager pull agreement has been reached on last hours. And now he'll start talks with nappy to get free from his contract until June 20 21, then it'll be official and he'll join Everton. I know Sky Sports has said he won't take appointment against Arsenal but on boxing day, he'll play the boxing day featuring internally. He'll be manager. Yeah Carlo ancelotti. He did gets sacked at Napoli after their Champions League Victory, which was shocking but understandable based on their City a form he comes over. To the primarily yet again. Next Chelsea boss. He comes with a great reputation good history to them but last few jobs have not want well Frozen Haviland you he's been on a bit of a downward spiral I'd say honestly but our Everton desperate to get some results going there right down to the bottom of the Premier League. They need to survey survived relegation and be show that the money they spent in the summer and last few years is worth it because they invested in their squad. Quad and they're not in a good position like we mentioned honestly, I think I have no idea how this is going to go because actual audience has a reputation of managing top sides and usually topped he does well with the top team Jamie this screams Rafa Benitez at Newcastle. Are you not calling Everton at topside? No, I'm not. He's Liverpool fan for fuck's he gonna pull up and respect and Everton. They're they're very excited and doesn't Are those still in the Premier League for now, there's still a decent team. But this screams to be rather than it has a new Castle a big manager going to a smaller Club. Yes. It's still got a fan base and a good good. He has money behind them maybe more so than I thought I had but a can you get the best other players are currently there and come January. Can you maybe get a few my seat robbers? You see Carlo ancelotti, he knows how to win titles and that's what Everton are getting. I mean he hasn't won a title for a while. I'll yes since Bayern Munich that was a few years ago. Has it he won with Chelsea, right? That was so it's like a decade ago. Yeah, if not longer you knows how to do things right tension. Okay. I had to beg you there's a guy called Ronny deila. He also won titles for Celtic. I wouldn't trust that meant to manage my team for Christ's sake like sorry. I just don't know how this is going to go. Honestly. It's it's kind of like our tactics. Have we do know what project? No, I think she's different than arteta. It's like we know the sample size of that on Charlie has had his credentials his reputation. It's obviously very high but recent years like I mean, I've been hearing a lot of Italian say that he's done as a top manager and also sending about Jose Mourinho. Yeah, but like Basin Marino's days a big clubs were done. He goes to Spurs and you know, he actually did very well in the first month being there when actually log doesn't really take a break seems they just go through another club - well, no, he took a break after Real Madrid, but as he really fixes tactic someone I like kind of You know reassess everything he's a good manager. We kind of this. Yeah, focus on the biggest teams won the Champions League a couple times. Like what I've like listen to podcast people saying that they think ancelotti is really going to management Jaws, but his son is really getting more involved a son is his assistant manager David enchilada David inaugural pronounce it but he is I think already at Everton he's going there early suppose. He's keeping Ferguson on magar the Cocoa next time that's awesome. He's done very well. He's in turn boss everything right now. He's got good results, you know, he's good energy to him. Yes. He had a bit of an issue with noise Akeem. Oh, that's not really an issue though. That's more some ways. Can you being a little girl about it like a little girl, but you he's being obviously I completely up it of a wimp. He's crying is getting stopped off. And I mean you imagine you come on the field and like the 70th minute gets subbed off in 86. Here's the thing is here's the thing. Well noisy. Akane Duncan Ferguson told him one thing before he went on the field work hard and trackback. What did he not do or Carter track, but I'm not saying that it was the wrong decision by Duncan Ferguson II honestly respect my so pouty. They're getting subbed off man. You're big but you playing in the Premier League making millions of pounds. Well, it's embarrassing was Paris you'd be embarrassed getting subbed off playing 15. Oh, I wouldn't miss you what I'd accept it. If you deserving of being subbed off. Yes, you'd be all upset because he's upset for anything. But if you deserve to be subbed off he does D sub don't I don't care how long to be honest. I think it's a natural reaction being pissed off getting sub laughs for such a short time. But if he reflects on it and realizes the okay. Yeah that was deserved every but you have to understand this more more so than ITS Tactical substitution anything I have no issue with with Duncan Ferguson. Did I know he's got slated in the media for all destroying a young man's confidence. Well, the young man could have worked harder. I just wasted my more games his last game looking crap since coming over didn't sound so he got subbed off early and they'll start class. Oscar and look at his stats since that match amazing. Don't do fair. I mean, it's just and bopping that's up top and he won't even give his manager look and he played nearly the whole game. Yeah. This is gusting these these these young these young footballers. They need to show their manager more differences MBA pay and noisy cane and James Hunter are all on yes. I understand. I'm just saying things like noisy King came over with I had a decent reputation from from Juventus. You had a good break out year and then he's done nothing. He's coming over to Everton, but flop I guess overall with this appointment. Do you think this will go successful or do you think this is going to be enchiladas last hurrah? What do we consider a successful getting everything to push Europa League places? Maybe this season Notch as I think I think if everything finished top ten, they'll be happy. I mean that's kind of pushing it to Europa League places Europa League is 7th on everything. All right. Now seven points behind Sheffield who aren't even if they can make 10th or higher, they'll be extremely hot for the season. I think their biggest issues don't get relegated stay in the Premier League stay with the money and then you know invest again in your in your Club get rid of the deadweight get rid of players who don't need to be there have a system have a game plan and start again. I'm hopefully like bring the passion that Ferguson has hot for the club but also more tactics and things that Everton managers haven't really had in the past. It's kind of like a chip new Challenger a gelati right? It's like a Reclamation Pride you think is better for him. Yeah. Centigrade this talk club or win the Champions League when the championship is. Hey, the expectations are higher those bigger clothes exhibit. This gives him more of a chance to maybe try different things, you know, try and mimic more stable. Yeah. This is the best manager. He probably signed in ever if you're out on the top clubs. You have your let's say starting eleven, you have two or three players who might break into it. But other than that, there's not much rotation happening, you know, this is what you have at a click of a button you can change half your 11:00 every game as IO. He's just trying new things. You know, that's how I look at least I was manager there. Is there any other Premier League news? Really? Oh, we got transferred news Transfer News. Yes, that's good. Talk about we talked about over half an hour last episode. This is the best news. I've heard all month. What best news this is very much of we don't know anything yet idling Hollande. Okay, so the bridge so welcome back for British is a part of this podcast is one day. We'll have them on when we have our own like area Studio but I don't think fabrizio's coming on the 90th minute hate to break it to you kind of busy. Now. We'll get him. I'll be a phone call. You have Skype. Yes. I suppose get bigger will get fabrizzio. And so pretty much. Here's the situation. Yes about Holland. Yes of so bid from United event is Leipzig and Dortmund. He's going to decide soon with his family. Andriola. Yes Rio Le awesome. Only once knows he wants to play and and Holland knows he wants to be a starter. That would be key for this next. Move. Um, so Scott knows that Holland wants to play you'd never accept a club where he's not playing every week. So you've entered yeah. Yeah to get Holland man united or you've a must promise him to be a starter and give him a great contract. That's why Bundesliga clubs are still in the race and pushing. Our talks are still going and for b 2 says just remember going to Leipzig would mean business for Red Bull and same ownership of Salzburg and no release Clause problems. So Leipzig and also Dortmund, I must be considered in the race for Holland as Man United and Juventus. So only really only the player must give his will can I be honest? I think Bruce your doorman would be the best move for him. Just why I'm he's extremely counties young. What do what does doorman do with young players in tournaments Stars? You're not wrong and I'll be honest. I think he's a little bit better than Paco Alice said, well, was it such a small sample? I'll get there was brilliant last he was I'm just saying much this season because he's been injured. That's why I draw. Are looking for another strategy to saying I'm he's probably going to start a lot more a dormand then he would at any of these other clubs unless man united wanted move around the team to fit him in. Well, I actually I don't know and with a note the other Red Bull team. What are you gonna give up Timo Bernhard? Well, let's life is like play two Strikers all then and then works perfect because then they can rotate and yeah, I don't know the source on this but I saw on football transfer on Twitter that if United sign him in January they'll immediately loaned him back to Salzburg until the next season which I think is ridiculous. Why would you do that? You need a goal scorer my but you can't blame the Europa League. Well, I think the Kmart has changed the rules. Okay. Good. It's a shirt with no no only thing is that no rash word has been doing well as Striker, but he can also play Wing what can you this but Marshall is also usually typically plays Number Nine. We can also play wing and you'll stop Daniel James and me, but Darrell Jim's Place more Wing. Yeah one dozen but then If the Marshal Lord Rochford go swing that would affect James of Holland is there aren't really an amazing green and you have Mason green one Mason Greenway. I think he's a bit more patient. He's okay. I think he can be patient for a year or two. But like he's definitely deserve I think Greenwood deserves more minutes. Oh, definitely I think but I mean we are giving him plenty mad. That's why that's why he deserves it and he's been getting the goals for the club which was sent. I think the more we talked about how long the biggest thing we can say is that he is getting one of the hottest prospects in Europe. In jacket kind of reminds me of an MBA paid kind of burst on to the scene. I saw as a lot more different. I think Zimbabwe we knew his path know and people didn't know about him. Bop atoll Monaco played Manchester City's obviously. Yeah. I like I watched him a little bit before only gun before just before the break out happened. Of course, you did. Yes. I heard from other people were having a fantastic season that year so fair enough, but I think I think those two are very different and how they look well I think Helen He's had such a breakout season. The question. I was a can he do it for another year and be can you do it in a bigger League domestically and no offense to Austria, but it's a one-horse race. I've been doing it in the Champions League. Whatever said he's in fantastic, but it's just a one-hit wonder kind of thing. We don't know yet. This is why oh, I don't know what the fees that are being reported. I know like I heard 20 million. He's a bio cause a 20 or so, but I also heard 76 million. Yeah Manchester United. I don't know what we're The 50 million come from so if this is like a 20 million move, I think that's just low risk 20 million side of you can sell them jerseys next year. I'm surprised more teams aren't after this if it was just 20 million Celtic, but maybe these are just the teams that Paul wants to talk to go to Celtic. That's where you going to retire. We had a great young players. We could do fantastic wonders soon. So I think he would do well at United because we have a lot of good young players different Dynamic for him a good environment or if you guys I think he's something that could be at called. Yeah. Yeah for 10 years or more. I think I found one if he goes to doorman and is actually legit deal. I think doorman I think either if he's legit deal and he goes to doorman or Leipzig. I think one of those two could actually win the Bundesliga. Yeah, that's true. There's no doubt about that. That'd be good. Insane. Maybe a good sign for Dortmund. They need a centre-forward. Yeah, they need a guide to because I love Marco Royce. Well, he's not really a sin exhaust manifolds. He's better little bit behind the center forward. They're playing him. Well, how old is Paco Paco is Twilight 26 so I think yeah buddy, but he's just calves constant injuries. Yeah, so that's why she Paula would be better in Santos great for them. But well, then you're not gonna be James Nationals also rumored to go back to England and Chester city is heavily linked say much else County or any topping which clubs and yeah actually linked with him, but not Arsenal not Arsenal or probably not Spurs. I don't know maybe United. Oh, yeah, I would take them. Yeah, I'm gonna put sorry Dad. I think United City Chelsea and Liverpool be considered. I don't see Liverpool doing it. I could still see it. You can assign something you me reason to why the push Asylum well, if you look at this was we got the big front three four probably probably keep them for another year, but their people are versatile with their formation. Obviously, there's a 4-3-3, which if you use that then you think oh, where does he fit in then but then you can switch to the for two. One which Liverpool had been playing in recent weeks. Do you think it's time one of the big three and Liverpool and move on? I think they'll stay for another year. Okay. So who do you think would get dropped them? I don't think we there yet they'd get drop. I think Liverpool would switch to a 4-2-3-1 they play for me know as I like the guy behind Saleh who Ted Striker money on the left Central on the right obviously lots of free roaming lots of movement in the front and I think that would work great for the Chloe no and cater for binho Henderson. Are you can form Eno on literally anywhere because there's a list of them all pretty much and that's not bad. I gotta be and also like sometimes there's some games where you play a 4-3-3 and one of those players might not be fit or I mean out of Liverpool front three currently the one I could see leaving would be man a but I think he could go for a different challenge, but the one I could see Liverpool letting go first is for me. No, I don't think for me it would be like going I don't think I don't think it for me anymore. Mate would leave like one of the challenges there. I mean money in the past. With Real Madrid Madrid. Yeah or a PSG or something. I mean I could also potentially see solid leave one day. But again, that's a hard one. It's a logo he is. Gee, I don't know what kind of man you want to get prepared for the future. Yeah, and like I still think those three those three guys will stay next to his little of a good thing going right now. Are you can clap just signed a contract I said Joe, which is great for Liverpool and like he's going to be there because there are reports saying that he's going to be under the transition period so like some trans me I see. See clop as like the new Ferguson and the Premier League. I can't stay that long. Oh, no, I'm just saying he's kind of he's got that kind of vibe to him. He's like State 26 years, but I don't see him leaving any or even like a banger Kyle. He's gonna stay a while unless he wants to go somewhere for new job according to Sky Sports Liverpool of all but completed the transfer of takumi. Minamino. What position did this guide play? He plays like he's very versatile up front. He's very first he's a Winger. He's an attacker. He's a number nine. Okay. I don't really know much about him at all. I've only watched him play a few times in my life all I know about them. I know Mom FIFA. That's honestly it he's okay on FIFA. I'm sure he's okay. How do you pronounce his name? Minimal me? Let me know me know me, you know, he's not sounds like a Pokemon potentially he is. I don't know if you have any of you guys to play the Pokemon games. There's a Pokémon called minimum our something so big. Oh, well. Yeah Hugo. I mean I like I've seen him play for salt bring the champions league and in the Europa League in past years a good depth player to have he's a good that yeah easy for should rotate in your attack. Now you have a rig you have him you have security. I think she carries on his way out of the report. I mean, I wouldn't be surprised. I'm sorry is your dad like you oh my God. Got coffee, we'll take a break continuing on with Liverpool. Guess since we are talking about them right now. So they paid in the care about Cup on Tuesday. They lost five mil. But you know, your average age was 19 years old for awesome Villa fans. They're just going to be like in like five years. They're gonna be like, I remember that time we beat Liverpool 5-nil not a single. One of the Liverpool starting eleven was alive when Aston Villa last won the competition. When I was up 1995 want to say that's not that's kind of surprising but not a single one of their 11 was bored. I mean quite frankly Little Bull didn't want to be in this club called tried to go out against Arsenal. My friend was saying how L Muhammad he was celebrating like he won the World Cup, he scored a goal and he's celebrate as if it was a banger and yeah, I need a 90th minute kind of thing. I mean scored against the Champs of Europe just not the players. No, not at all. Sure. Yeah, but I mean, yeah, Aston Villa go through congratulations to them. Liverpool are out. However, they're playing again today in the club World Cup a 76 minute. Let her pour time with Monterey one one Montreal in the first half wasn't playing too badly. Liverpool had a nice goal with mosallah a great pass from also allowed to cater which it's going to have half of your team playing but you also have Jordan Henderson at centre-back. Yes and Miller right back. There are scenes occurring there Allah knows playing. It's not the most of your squad rotation is getting very thinned out without all the matches replacement unit. Very good job of rotating the squad. Yeah. I mean I don't I'll train Alexander's on now. But yeah, I think it's a very questions just like a group stage at all or no. This is semi final. Oh my gosh extra time. So please score Liverpool. It's one of those things where it's like if my clubs in this I want to win it because you get this like really nice badge on the middle of your kid. I would love is today and I'll class goes last time Real Madrid were aware that bad. Yeah and people I read that a lot of Real Madrid kind of Got used to it. It's like felt like it was a part of their Jersey part of the club now and I'll be honest that bad that little thing it looked great on the Celtic it but I don't think it's happening anytime soon don't think so either. So, I'm sorry, it looked really nice. But unless you guys go to the Premier League and turn into this giant, but that's never happening. He's gonna go Wendy Europa League qualifier for Champion. Yeah. I'm just gonna be amazing. I hope that happens. But yeah, so not really much to say well keep you updated if something happens. Yeah. And I want to tell you these clubs not going to this term. They're not bad clubs at all their know the Champions were reasons of their of their continent. Yeah. They're they're good cop. Yes, the the European Champions are always favorites to win the stroke. Maybe one day. We'll see FC FC M tuner. No, no, you will not know. I mean we've seen Real Madrid during these competitions. They have like been pushed to X or Time by some of these clubs Chelsea make this tournament when they want to Chairman they lost it. Yeah, we mentioned it last time these Cubs always played a full 11 0 Tate, you know they have It's not the biggest of Necessities for them. But it's also something that they care about is him time, right? So, is there anything else you want to touch on today? Oh, well Champions League draw chair. Does he just look at some of these matches? Look absolutely mouth-watering. I completely agree. Let's let's just give our early predictions not we don't have to go to like analytically I just, you know, just Dortmund vs. PSG. This is a Grace very exciting. This is fantastic. This is all out attack if I mind. Question is is dortmund's attack strong enough to break the PSG attack because I think this is going to come down to whose skins who scored the most goals it name or actually gets to play both legs. I think PSG can actually go through. Yeah. I don't know if he will playable and to be fair good leg is on his sister's birthday and retrospective PSG got pretty unlucky in the last Champions League. That's an understatement. Anyways, I'm luckier. They just blow it both. Yes. What do you think goes through was PSG this Lucas Dortmund I got to go PSG there's no doubt in my mind that PSG are looking as title as favorites for the Champions League this year but sick can they get over that hump? I don't think central has stepped up for doorman in the Champs of the as of yet, but I think during this time he'll definitely show up and show the world and now it won't be just a general view of people. I think the whole world will know who do these games are in February. Correct? Yes. So things can change players can come in January managers. This is everything. You never will give our are better predictions closer to the actual game. There. They were just like mentioned. Yeah, it's like new I'm gonna call this next draw elk a shackle Real Madrid vs very much just so I don't know. I think it's just money. I don't know how this is gonna go is already making excuses Real Madrid wins this one. I mean, let me get some quotes from Pep Guardiola is put pepper in his place. Put him in his place Goldilocks isn't pep always trying to make excuses or tap is just one giant. Excuse. Let's see me. He said Madrid is the king of the Champions League which is true. They have more experience than us in the Champions League their players have played games like this many times which I guess is true, but it kind of seems like he's a he's deflecting. I mean he can see his team has been very poor the past couple months. He knows that he's not favored in this in this draw eye on paper. Don't think he's the favorite to be fair Ramos himself has a hundred and twenty three Champions League. No, I mean Real Madrid have not been great this season, but I still think the second La Liga the tired report closed it right now, but we will get on Del classified started a little 10 minutes ago, but we'll get on to it. Um, but I think I think we're all mature takes this one you think so, who do you think Lucas I have to agree? I think Real Madrid. I think they're just going to start playing better and better as the season goes on. And if Manchester City don't have a guy like Le port in the back. I think guys like Hazard will who will finally stop bow bends them on they're gonna tear it up. I think you'll be a great tactical battle between two of Europe's top manager and the Downs never lost chamsy. Knockout round. Yeah, as a manager was who wins it? Well Manchester City. Wow, I think I think have some love for your nose across town. I think they might really have I've put a big push on the Champions League this year and I don't know they've won the league twice in a row now and they've kind of looking. Okay. Maybe there's were we've already let the leak slip. Let's try and get a trophy. We never want another Center. I'd rather see Real Madrid win well, but I think City might actually pinch this one out. I don't like both of these teams, but it will be a great match to watch honestly in February Atalanta versus Valencia. Probably the least Citing tie out of all the both of these clubs like Jesus. We got Chad's here boys. Come on this well, it's always a rear. We're like in the round of 16 is always that wasn't yeah. I remember will spread versus it was some Belgian Club one time. Yeah. I don't go here for a Valencia though. I liked what they saw against Chelsea. Oh, they were good against iac's they are more experienced at Toronto. Yes, you don't call me crazy. Call me crazy. I want without Atlanta not so will he yeah, I agree with you. All's I think Atalanta very explosive team. They are. The can't defend they haven't been great defensively but you know, this is actually change. This is a smash-and-grab here Valencia one-nil kind of thing. Hurry has gonna this is a this is a 20 minutes goal and then sit back ten more ten bodies behind the ball just Smash and grab that's what I think Atlético Madrid vs Liverpool. I'm somewhat more interesting match. You're actually worried a little bit. Here's what's going to happen. I love the car. We're gonna sit 11 men inside their own box Real Madrid artery owed Liverpool attack attack attack and they'll win to nil. I don't think that's how the was interesting. I don't know how it's gonna go but I will just go Liverpool easy way to go. I think Falcon Madrid are very tough team to play in The Knockout rounds very good defensively and they have been changing their style little bit creating more chances in their matches recently A lot can have scored more than one goal of games. So there are an offensive by the only person yeah, the only problem is their goal. Scorer haven't really had one really and unless if they by someone in the January window where they start scoring goals like the machine then I think other people will be good enough to see them off and pop has never lost and knocked out Ty he's only lost the championship final with Liverpool Sunil at home. One one and the Wonder I think what our pool when it but it's going to be a tough one Chelsea against Bayern Munich. 2012 all over again, except there's no Didier. No one on that team. I'm not sure, you know, Frank Lampard wants a loan drug back for a bit begin siding awesome chocolate pie still be better than half that to you. Anyways, let's come on that sock this King Lucas. Yeah them played for years. One of the best ever bald now Premier League Strikers who's bald. He is looks very odd ball. He does. Anyways, I go to Bayern Munich here. I think they are a better side all around. There are more depth. They've got They got Lewandowski. I got to give him credit. Do you know your polsky brother? And he's the best Striker and Europe? Can he keep this form going on till? Yeah. I want to see him just smash Chelsea. I think Barnes attack against that Chelsea back line right now is sorry world-class ruediger. Sorry. Well, you could be world class and in the next few games, maybe he will Shucks you games. Come on. Gibbs is not making world-class. Well, no play like he's world class in up. Plain top. Why? Are you choosing Chelsea your boundaries and firing Byron Byron Bayern Leon vs Juventus. You Ventus? I mean Memphis depay. Is he out for you? Got an ACL injury? Okay, if you might be out for the Euros. Yeah, there we go. That's unfortunate. He's been properly which is actually really sad. Yeah, so I don't that's gonna that's gonna be interesting for the Eurozone but also sucks for Leon and they also had a for any I delayed getting the same injury as well. So they're they're not having a fun time at Leon go sit down belly hat trick he could be so no, you won't be sold in January, but he's good. It's going to be tough for Leon. And yeah, if I give it would be a miracle if they won. This audit deserve better side all around they have full ability. Just walk this way. I think if you Ventus doesn't win this then sorry, it's just gonna be sad. Yeah hundred percent Tottenham Hotspur. They go up against Leipzig isn't really very good one. This is good the experience Mourinho versus the young kid O'Leary Leipzig. Here's the thing. I watched Leipzig against Dortmund just yesterday. It ends 3 3 3 Life's a grow up to nil. No. No, I'm sorry. They were down to nil doorman were running to nothing at how everyone playing really well in the first second. Half-Life is it came out like someone lit a fire under your ass? No, I disagree because they were great for the first 10 minutes of the second half German literally gifted them to goals because they're pressed because they're pressure. Yes, and also some the most amateurs mistakes as well happened like perky has the ball to the side right to Verner Brad thinks he has his three options to Two passes in between everyone and it goes to Vernon. So yeah, they said it's experience Mourinho versus a young Chilean a Grossman and and young team at Leipzig. I gotta go talk to him. I think they have experience in the Champions League and you think this experience will from last season's going to translate to this season. I mean if taught him can find a way to defend their a good team because they can score goals their midfields decent. They just can't defend right now Leipzig. I think have a better defense and open McConnell. I mean they did can see three as he did. But they also scored three, you know, they could I think they're similar to spurgeon's in Shenzhen. There are good attacking team, but they're not the strongest defensively. I will Spurs though. I think Spurs that Harry Kane or Saint or Lucas more Delhi. Ali even has a little bit more of an advantage over a meal forsberg or even even to Timo Bernhard who's had a great year, but you can't rely on just one guy's totally cool. Oh well if they get Holland They might you never know. Who do you think's going through? I'm right now slightly edging it to Spurs but a lot can change in two months firstly. I think I'd like to go through this if that's what you want though. It's from yes and their final one not believe vs. Barcelona gattuso man allows. Oh my glasses back at barsa. Yeah, that's gonna be in Barcelona. I think Napoli just too much of a mess. I think it's this is Napoli to you. He'll be nice challenge but right now no, I agree nappies a bit of a mess. Yeah, like we don't again things can change a lot in two months. Maybe Napoli somehow become the best football playing team in Europe, but somehow I don't see cotusal doing that hate to break it to you know, but I think Barcelona are too strong when you have Lionel Messi in here in your side. You always have a really good chance to win. I know that's very simple to say but it's true. I think this is one of the best one of the best hobby. I use a very good Champions League draw this through Great games coming up with some good matchups. There's even it's evenly matched. I think and all the games one thing about Barcelona. They might be losing the doll in January. I'm not surprised because according to reports Arturo Vidal stormed out of Barstow training on Tuesday after learning. He would not start against Real Madrid several players try to confront right now, but you can now be calm down. Yes what you're not starting move on hothead. That's okay. I don't think he's that good. Anyways, he's still pretty decent but I'm just saying really good. There's he's never my favorite. I just don't like I hate when players over. React when they don't start a game like they just look at shows that they really care about ya bub. Yeah, maybe it's because I'm old school. I read all these Ferguson Books young has no I'm old school comes with foot box. I read the exact all these out or maybe some books. It's like if she ever does that with the Ferguson you'd be out of the club the football change get the hair dryer. The player is never bigger than the club horse. That's what I see with all right now, so get out of the club some he doesn't think he's picking up right now. He wants to start because he thinks he's a spectacular midfielder that he was He still is he you can still give Barcelona a lot of help and you could argue that. He's probably better than what you get on that benching support your team that they hope their when you can still come on the bench. Of course, he's sleeping on later. I'm not saying he's I'm not saying he should do that. I do think he should be professional and yes, and it's not very professional from him. He's a hothead there's no doubt about that. But I think team like Inter Milan could use a guy like, yes, definitely parsa. Enter something that bigger even when he's like MRSA ones in the Champions League one bottle didn't they a bottle of due to a technicality? Nope, they borrowed it at home against the rotated Barcelona team, they bottled it because they're bottlers who will never win anything. Well, we'll see the season but you know, you can't you never want on your kind of them some respect. Yeah gives you face some respect. They wanted for how many years now giving them some respect then understand the Champions can be Yeah, but eventually your Championship rain is going to end up like them. Okay, you came to a fiery end good things. Don't last forever. Yeah, where were you kind of these quotes from look? Okay. I'm just saying man. Okay, tell us we'll talk about before we wrap this one up. Um, what about the question? Watch the El Clasico? Okay. Yes hit me this question. So from Declan Murphy from our latest video. He asked us like YouTube Tick-Tock. Where was his YouTube YouTube. Thank you guy, but he did come from Tech talk though actually Tick Tock him. But he his question was asking how we start spreading the club's that we support living in Canada. So Liam, do you want to go first? I know we met had a video about this over a year ago actually all wearing our clubs jerseys. We didn't even plan this what we did. Well look at us go boys. I'm a Celtic fan. My family's being Celtic fan for Generations. Really? My dad is my grandfather is so that's how I was first introduced to it. I started to become a big big fan when I went to Scotland when I was like 15 or so. We went to go see Manchester United Legends versus Celtic Legends first time at Celtic Park first time watching the game live and I was like, hey this club special, you know, the atmosphere was great. The fans were great though. The football was fantastic watching Henrik Larsson play. My first ever game is like, hey, not bad guy to start off with but yeah from then on I've just become bigger and bigger and bigger, you know. More the history watching on games, you know, it sucks of in Canada not being able to go to the games or having to wake up at 5:00 a.m. To watch them. But that's part of it. I guess that's part of the culture are right. Mmm. How do you get into United? I started watching Club football and 2012. Okay, and since then I've seen United when one trial one Premier League, so you're not a band. Well, I'm still do not bad wagon find anything of that way. It's really initially you might have been maybe I just I don't know. It's kind of sounds really stupid. But that was the year. I bought FIFA 12 by first ever FIFA game. Didn't know what club to pick is my like main club. It's like my own pick United because my dad talks about them a lot and I actually didn't really know much about United the time. So just kind of you know did my research and kind of fell in club with fell in love with the club's culture culture. So that's kind of why I'm stuck doing eyes like the culture of the club and the history and you know, the the Munich air disaster kind of like just how they kind of Nothing to becoming this world famous club. It's amazing. So that's why I love United. So it's it's not just it's not just because of the trophies. I mean look at Man City that they've won how many trophies but they don't have that culture that history, right? That's and plus Sir Alex Ferguson just a legend himself. So you read multiple of his books. Yes. It's amazing and you never read. No, I don't read much only thing that interests me is so Lucas. How are you? I'll so I started watching football in 2004 like the euro. For and like I kind of grew in love with like Underdog stories because Greece one the Euros that year over Portugal which is incredible to see but but then like the first Club match I watched was Liverpool vs Middlesbrough and you know, either I was going to be a Middlesbrough fan or a Liverpool went down the right path. I mean, luckily I was a kid, so I was stupid. So I like the name Liverpool because I'm like liver in a pool it got it does sound cool. I'll be honest as a kid. Do you think that's cool but then Then I quickly I kind of learned more about the club learn about more about disliking Manchester United. I remember let's match Liverpool vs. Manchester United United had these black jerseys out to be honest were pretty nice, but I'm like me to beat them, but I think there are people were losing one nil and then my TV froze so it's not a surprise, but unfortunately, I like early as a fan of wasn't able to watch as many games because it was kind of for me. It was hard to know like one when they played exactly because internet wasn't As far Advanced and also, I to go to polish school every Saturday plus I mean football coverage in Canada has only started to become big in the past 5 10 5 10 years. Yeah, but like I also been winning the Champions League That season was pretty convenient to and having a Polish goalkeeper brutally make it love it to your Z2 deck. But then like once I stopped going to pull a school after I just didn't enjoy it while I like that. People around there just didn't like anyways continue. Yes, but I got more into it. This is early early parts of this decade, I guess and I now try to watch yam watch every Liverpool match every time and I just feel like they have it's an Underdog Story in a case because they were so bad in the early 2000s and it shows like The Boundary Road the road has definitely become much greater. I started watching football because of an Underdog Story of Greece and Liverpool. Became an Underdog Story and now are one of the best teams in the world now and yeah, so I mean, I hope that answers your question and you know, we appreciate the question. Make sure you do leave questions down below you'll get involved with and also let us know who you support and how you became a supporter of that club. I know it may sound a bit weird for us Canadians and we watched a random game became a fan and he picked a random team on FIFA. But you know Frost in Canada growing up here, you know, we don't have our local club we can go support. Well we do now but there Trash are gonna be honest. Well who cares if they're trapped it is to keep right, which is kind of shambles it folded. So when that when the league folded so did FC Edmonton for like a year until the Canadian Prime really got brought back up and now fcm to his back in the car. In criminal really the real the real part of this of the club was really 29. Yeah, so they haven't been around for a while. And another thing is like I mean, I do support FC. I'm doing I hope they do. Well. I just I don't go to a lot of matches because you work a lot. Yes, I usually work when they play and I've only been to one match theirs. I'm sure I've only been to two matches and was one it was their inaugural match back in 2011 and the first match in the Canadian Premier League, which was a it's not bad football if I think I've been to a few. Yeah. I want to go see your to go samurais. Play yeah, I'm here, you know Celtic Legend and yeah, he was on the grease team that won the arose was you're not yeah, he was here. But yeah, he was I went to go see him when he came to town. He didn't score unfortunately, but there's no half the stadium was sell to kids like and then you can say oh, why why why don't you support? Why don't you spike Vancouver Toronto? Like Whitecaps don't know this and I've been to see Vancouver. I've watched the White Cap, so I'm less is not terrible, you know the Stadium's fan. Passing, but for us in Canada, you're coming Canada rather support fcm tin and the MLS teams real Frozen can't hear. You know, it's when we are available the games are not. Yeah, you know, we are more accustomed to watching football at 7:00. I do something more local. He is just supporting a team in Europe is more exciting. It's like when I go yeah Colin, I find it so odd watching Premier League at night time I go. What do you mean kick off at 8 p.m. It's mostly early in the morning to be tired as hell. You know, it's kind of Like for hockey fans in Europe like they're gonna they're gonna they're gonna pick an NHL team. Yeah, like they're from Sweden, but I'll still support like Chicago Blackhawks or basketball fans in the UK. Yeah, essentially there's plenty of North America American football fans in the UK. So it's like why it's like a lot of people say like, oh, you're from Canada North America. You can't support a European Club. You can't support you just Tick Tock comments. Yeah, just like my cousin. Are people saying like all you don't you see on Twitter a lot where people say? Oh, you don't deserve to have an opinion or your opinion doesn't matter because you're because you're not from the country or have a British accent. Essentially. Yes, my cousin in Scotland. He's a huge Denver Broncos fan. So he watches them consistent and more than I watch NFL. I don't watch American football that often but you know, it's just because where you live doesn't matter what sport you can you can watch or what team you can support, you know, it's It's a big hunter the only reason these clubs on this table here and other clubs as well are big because of fans around the world. And these are the biggest clubs in the world. Like also, we don't shoot for any I don't think no. No, although I will look something like sometimes I'll buy one of these kids because they're nice kids. I like football kits are nice. I don't I try to pick up a kit just just because I wear a PSG kid does not mean I support these GI just like the kid or the player on the back. I try to get a kit wherever I go. It's actually yeah, well scarf or something like that for me example. That the only primary kid I will ever buys a United kit, but I wouldn't mind by guy. You've been to Soriano. I would never buy another Scholars to yeah exactly that a mean mother Wells not bad. It's like I mean, I only only where Liverpool kits really so I only use you everywhere united only wear them too often. You just have them I collected them. Yeah. It's a nice little collection like it's like Holland and his soccer its football. So yeah RAC s a soccer or I'll get ripped in half. Yeah. Yeah. We support our teams. We want to know who you support your get involved in the comments. Let us know and you know, what get involved in any of this conversation we've had today give us new questions to answer hit like hit subscribe follow us along on Tick-Tock Instagram. Facebook. Twitter links are all in the description to be fair. Like when people say support local one Locus for started supporting Liverpool. We didn't have a local team. Yeah, that's the thing. So I know when I was growing up we had an indoor soccer team here in That folded flat folded. I was like four or five with that folded. Now one of the players who used to play with a team coaches at even our division. I mean, oh really? Yeah vinovich. Oh, yeah, but like it's, you know, the players that were there were good, but they're not great. So I mean it happens. But by the way Liverpool won 90th minute for me know I'll well Bobby congratulations. Congratulations just halftime at all classical basically know it's 30 minutes in will turn it on. Now and start watching give our thoughts about the match and we'll put that at the end of this podcast here. Yeah. Thank you for tuning in. Thank you for watching listening for myself Liam from was Lucas and co-host Greg. I don't know why we're watching a classical United playing Colchester. So I'd rather that's off Mama. Thanks for tuning in. Thanks for watching listening. And this is yet another week in the beautiful game. We will see you next time. So we just finished up watching El Clasico. We actually went live on Tick Tock. We're trying to go live on that's why our little setup looks a little different we tried to go. I want everything else. It didn't exactly work out. We try to put it together during house. No. No, it was very good. So make sure you are following us on Tick-Tock, you know, we going to try and go live more often new content. Like that's the new wave, you know, so well kids are into now El Clasico little it does end nil-nil at the new camp over there was good chances from both sides. I thought I thought Barcelona never play a bit better chance wise around it had possession, but Overall not a bad game. It keeps it very tight at the top of La Liga y'all are defensible fair at times. It was quite a few little tackles here and there but I think overall I feel a bit of a disappointing result for both clubs. It would like to have one that of course, especially Barcelona being at home. They would have liked to have really taken the three points there. But that brings all the matches in La Liga up to the same for each team because Barcelona Real Madrid had a match in hand. Yeah, they're both on 36. Points, they drew last two games including this one, but their closest Challenger right now severe with Five Points behind. Yeah. I think Lily go will be a two-horse race again this year Atletico Madrid or in fifth on 29 Points. So there are decent amount of back but you know, maybe if they get a goal scorer they can yeah, you never know what overall I think I think the tech talk live stream was actually very enjoyable. So yeah Mega said make sure you are following us on that. Yeah, like Barcelona they had a chance to take the lead in the end of the first half they did. Yeah we missed. Most of the first half because we're recording the podcast like we mentioned earlier but then yeah Real Madrid they did score a goal. They did it was ruled offside Gareth Bale. He finishes he wasn't offside. It was Mandy was offside. So a little bit controversial but not really it was clear and obvious offside. There was a protest beach balls rain down some political protests happened. So that happened and I generally thought it was Diapers at first diapers. Yeah. From what? How's that different? Listen, man, whatever. Let's move on top of the match. That was who was your favorite player on the pitch for the time you watched maybe Vidal was kind of exciting to watch. I just think Antoine Griezmann is very good. Yeah like this movement intima and those details. Yeah, there was no standout performance. I think Massey was okay again. It was a nil-nil game. There was no one standing out. There was no fantastic one man player for example the goalkeepers. That many shops though. No wasn't this is probably like the this could go now is pretty bad L. Classic 3, I won't say it. I think the first goal is all classical in 17 years. I just want to say though. I called it. He did did you bet on it? No, Dan because he was here. Lucas it's all classical is going to be caged. He's gonna be no. No. Yeah, but currently on other places in Europe if Carrabelle Cub was is Manchester United. Yeah. We're currently drawing Colchester. No, no, no, no, man city are winning 2-1 over Oxford United and Leicester city big to deal right now over Everton. These are both in the second half and 165th 70th minute. So well if Manchester United You somehow lose was please send us a video of you. Yeah, whatever. We're not home right now. I was going on in Germany. It was a couple of days alone in the Bundesliga. Don't don't don't currently lost hundreds of those matches on. All right now mucho glob backer winning to nil, which is big for them. That would bring them back into first place in the league. I think Bayern Munich are actually drawing right now against Freiburg. Yeah fiber guess Freiburg 1 1 and so gleeful scored. That's uh, that's not a good result. Form iron they need not moment though. They need to put that one up shock or huge one right now over. We'll start with ten minutes to go purusha munching glad back to nil ran over paderborn as we mentioned. I did you. All right, and then to to now and I track Frank versus: yeah. Yeah. So so far is in the Bundesliga if it stays like that Leipzig technically still our first by goal difference schalke would stay in that will go into third I think but Byron fair if that's a bit shocking for I mean, yeah if they don't For the last 10 minutes, they're wasted opportunity. You look at their points are actually falling a little bit behind right now Leipzig and mönchengladbach. Yeah, it's there's a little bit of a gap opening up in the bun as it was being so tight for the entire season is starting to open up a little bit just a little bit. You know, it's bar until they came back from a pretty large deficit. Sorry, but you know, these guys may be a little shaky right now. And yeah, there's more challengers in their ways and like last season. I think that pretty much wraps up. So yeah, if you have enjoyed the podcast like I said before make sure you our light comment and subscribe down below. I've butchered that I said that so weirdly. Oh, well, make sure you're subscribed hit like comment down below make sure you are following us on Tick Tock Instagram Twitter Facebook LinkedIn shirt Spotify any and all social media. We're on most of it. But yeah links are in the description. Thank you for tuning in yet. Again is to be myself Liam Lucas was this has been yet another week in the beautiful game. You'll see you next time. Bye.

On this episode of The 90th Minute, Liam, Lucas and Woz discuss some big news and matches from the midweek! Mikel Arteta is going to Arsenal, Ancelotti seems like he is going to Everton, while Liverpool seems like they are signing Minamino. We also discuss a question we received about why we support who we support, and give our thoughts about El Clasico at the end! All of this and more on this episode of The 90th Minute. Timestamps Mikel Arteta To Arsenal - 1:15 Ancelotti to Everton - 11:30 More Haaland Rumors - 18:45 Sancho/Transfer/Liverpool News - 24:25 Liverpool Carabao/CWC - 28:06 Champions League Draw - 31:10 How We Started Supporting Our Favorite Club - 44:01 El Clasico & Other Stuff - 54:33 Check out our last podcast discussing Manchester City destroying Arsenal, Chelsea’s continued struggles, Coutinho’s hat-tricks and much more: https://anchor.fm/the-90th-minute/episodes/Arsenal-Are-Spineless--Chelsea-In-Trouble--Coutinhos-Hat-trick--more-----The-90th-Minute-Episode-117-e9i1d2 Check out our Champions League episode - https://anchor.fm/the-90th-minute/episodes/AJAX--INTER--SALZBURG-ARE-OUT--Ancelotti-Sacked--and-more-Champions-League---The-90th-Minute-Episode-116-e9fpks Check out the creator of the intro tune: https://www.instagram.com/musictorri/ Check us on social media TikTok: @the90thminute Instagram: @the90thminuteofficial Youtube: The 90th Minute Twitter: @The90thMinute1 Liam: @LiamPeace7 Woz: @itswoz96 Lucas: @ChromiakLucas LinkedIn: The 90th Minute

the show What's going on? Everybody? Welcome to episode 27 of tongues out emergency backup. Goalie show one half of the show. Tyler Briggs the other half Tim hike oi then I say emergency backup. Goalie show. Yeah. It's starting to be a bit of a trend. Yeah a couple minutes. Yeah, they travel on a few minutes coming up. But first Timmy we took in the Manitoba moose game tonight. I appreciate that get the call. Well, I appreciate someone actually wanting to go he's not very easy. Boy, no and even just sitting there and looking at the amount of people that are in the rink. It's not exactly a big draw these days like 94 people there. Now. You've been there probably well. How many did you say to the Usher? How many how many times you been there in the last week? Well, I kind of exaggerated a bit. Yeah, then they're probably feels like it four or five times and less 70s couple. Yeah. Yeah muscles get a room. They're downstairs sleeping on the offices. Yes, Charlie howdy. under the bridge You open up your backpack as soon as you got here. Yeah, we're she brought a pair of jerseys. But yeah, I'm wearing one tell us why you chose this one while we saw the Milwaukee Admirals play and friend of the show Chet Picard used to play there and a couple of his jerseys. So I figured if I own these jerseys are sitting in a closet I might as well wear them for once. I'm wearing the baby blue old third Jersey or fourth Jersey said for jerseys at the time and it's pretty sharp. Don't get to see it cause I never wear it out. So so my question would be like how many years ago? Did he do you rock that one shit this I see his draft in 2008 would have been 2010 2010 2011 we crappy. Yeah without a whole day. Yeah ancient history. I just said I did just turned 30. Yeah, and I'm the other day not far behind far behind. Do you remember when the league had two Admirals team? Yes. Yes, Norfolk Norfolk Davis East Coast now and then yeah, they are pretty sure you're right. They had that one legendary team when they won The Calder Cup in a whole girls. Were they kind of her skin and to car? Key. Yeah, sorry. It's speaking the moose and Admirals when I was a kid was a leader in to our next little segment, but I actually went to a moose and Admirals game. They're probably the team over the years that I've seen the most of like the AHL IHL. Yeah versions of teams - the wolf's the walls. Yeah, but I remember I actually went to a moose and Admirals game and I bought a Milwaukee many goalie stick. That was just that kid that would go to the store and buy the opposite teams. Thing that's right. Yeah. I don't know why I would do the me. That's why we get along so well, yeah, but anyways, I remember going down to autograph a lie. I know, you know autograph and I look very well. Yeah, I spent a lot of time down there and I got a chance to meet Sean Pronger and Brett how our and anyways, I flipped my stick upside down so they couldn't see the team logo and they are they autographed the stick for me. So I was kind of a greasy move on my part. But my question to you is you got any good stories about the old barn go have good stories. It's really how much time do we have is going to be like a three part Apple. Maybe give me like Maybe give me the one of those ones that you told me at the Moose game today. Okay. Well, I'm going to name a different one actually back in I think it was like 98 or 99. I went to the gate my game the Moose game with my buddy Nathan. Yeah, Nathan green. You think they've been Brandon right here and him and I went to the game with my sister and her friend and we sat always sat VI in the VIP lounge behind the net because my parent because my uncle's company everything all Buffalo tied it up. Sorry to interrupt that's usually my job to interrupt. Yeah. Timmy's actually goes back to the TV first time. Whatever anyway, so we're sitting the VIP lounge and of all people Rick Campanelli Who's down there Who tricked a Pinelli from much music? Yeah much Museum Campanelli that cat. Yeah, something like that Rick the temp. I was I don't know. Okay, I wasn't watching my family near Dido finale. So he was down there. We're all stars drock. Yeah, of course, we're friends with the goalie for the opposing team. So we went down after and I never thought he'd become a superstar like he did but after the game thinking oh we met like Rick the tab, like I was our Superstar of the day, we went down to Jesse now after the four of us and my Mom and Dad, yeah and met Marty Turco after the game turned out to be a pretty good goalie. Yeah, not too bad. You guys may have heard of them. Yeah. It's so my but Nathan was like it like all like we gotta go to the gesture and meet everybody Brenda Morel. Was there a couple of their guys the prize yea Carlisle Saskatchewan? Yeah. It's not sign a few times also passed out at that side a couple times pretty banged up at their couple. We won't go there. Probably been told on here probably stories. Like I met some pretty good gold history. We says he's in tickets right beside where the visiting team came out. So the backup goalie sat there as our friend here might know about a bit. We'll get to that later. Yeah where they sit but if you only do a little bit Yeah, they used to sit right beside the poly box and I got to sit there beside like Kari lehtonen Ilya Bryzgalov, Ryan Miller some really good goal. Is that back in that? I was young enough. Back then where I could ask for an autograph and talk to them for a little bit during the game is pretty cool. So yeah, it wasn't weird. You weren't like the guy in that the world juniors hand and I feel like sometimes I don't know where else to go sister. I have so many no. No, it's all good. I'll just share one of my I don't remember a lot of hockey. I know I went to a lot of moose games, but actually I went to WWE Live which was WWF at the time with a friend of the showbread DeArmond, and I remember we had really really good seats sitting down like would have been nice. Or whatever and they the barricades were the board's right? And so I remember Edge Edge Canadian wrestler was fighting Christian. Also Canadian wrestler in the two of them took it outside of the ring and they were right at the barrier and I remember we hopped art like the barrier for us for us and we hopped down and we were right in front of them and they just like you can see like The Psychotic like fake look in their eyes of they're all smashed in the face on the barrier of fucking awesome. I got a couple more I want to share two. No no, of course. Yeah we Got a little bit. I'm so its first I ever saw glass break was actually going to meet him after the game through our connections, but Andrew reycraft it was oh, yeah, she saw him playing Florida earlier that year and I was like 2003 before I want is Rookie of the Year. And yeah, we went to the game the glass broke never seen that happen in Winnipeg Arena and as you're replacing the piece of glass the one beside it broke so that put a board on that one piece of glass was too short and aboard and delayed the game like an hour and a half own man. It's painful. I'm sure a late another episode. I can tell Sue a lot more stories because I used to go to every single moose game back in the day. I actually I actually broke the glass of a highlighter one time in warm up warm a shot a shot, but maybe on you and then I like just didn't like it because I never score more operated like a 6 lb in the corner. I went right through the glass. I remember that it was on the blue crab is like I probably renovate here may not have been because I get lit up in warmups. It's all good before we get too carried away with the Winnipeg ran stories. Which I know easily could I think it would be appropriate to throw it to our next segment as long as our guests as well. And so without further Ado. We'll take a quick little break and we'll get ready to go here. All right. So this is starting to be a bit of a trend here. We bring in emergency backup goalie some Winnipeg. I don't know if it's because of my bias opinion towards goalies, but like to introduce read Pennington side. It's pretty cool. He's pretty much living the dream if you Me I would pretty much do anything to be emergency backup. Goalie. Unfortunately little out of shape and a little old. I think I'm older than most of the guys in the AHL now, so we'll start off you're one of five goalies used by one and True North will say as emergency backup goal is how did you get the position so so obviously this is like a really new thing this rule. Yes has come into the league only a couple of years now. Yeah, so it was it was back in September. I was just at home. And I got a call on my phone from a number actually didn't have and normally like I know you have a number that you don't have sometimes you don't answer it. I'll just let it go to voicemail the populace in the message. But anyways had these urges. So I answered it sure enough. It was criticizing her seeing her. I mean, he's like he's like, oh hey Reid, it's Zinger. You know, he's he always introduced himself as ignorantly help but he's one of those guys that's you know, he's not the kind of guy that wants to talk about small talk like very to-the-point. Yep. It is this guy, right so Called right away. He got right into it and was talking about the new rule and explaining to me what the situation was was there just like yeah exactly. So say I'm like, okay, okay and do it wasn't until the end and he was like would this be with this be something that you'd be interested in doing? So I mean obviously had no hesitation whatsoever. I was super super honored super humbled to be put in that position. So of course I of course I took it absolutely ecstatic. Well somebody Wants to pass through name along like yeah. So like I played I played a number of years in the mmm. So and I played a few years with his at Geisinger. So I mean, I'm not sure how much Craig actually came out and watched. I'm sure you like you are she definitely watched a few games. Yeah. So I mean, he's see me play before and then also again just that that prior relationship with Zach. Wow. That's awesome. It's really damn cool the Gaia. I know singer pretty good back in the day. Actually, we mentioned a struggle Chicago Wolves and then car Lebanon after I met him the first time this is totally irrelevant to this he gave me his number Zinger. He says at the end of the game if we win, I will go down just bring me your jersey. I'll go down and get a sign for your take you down. Of course, they end up losing and he's he calls me like he's it's not like they're getting blown out that as your that bone Meester and everyone. She loaded up and calls me. So I'm so sorry Timmy but not going to be able to get it signed as the end of the season they're going to be out of here pretty quick. And I remember that like a bench like not bench-clearing brawl but a line bra and got pretty dirty and that series there's a lot of heat emotions between the two teams but zingers one of the best guys in hockey and the world I would say but definitely Manitoba, so that's pretty cool never met. I kind of figured that might have been your connections. That's not for sure definitely like a very very well-known name in Winnipeg. Yeah, one of those guys who come right from the bottom. So it literally like you were just wait. Yeah, we Kings and into the mousse or the Jets. He's with the Jets / left and the moose So now I shall engage all these and then just in GM and Zinger if you're listening on the podcast or you want it'll be awesome. But anyway, so I happen to be at a game. I knew ahead of time that you were addressing but I was at a game where you dress you want to tell us a little bit of boat that day and how you got called and how you found out. Just give me a little rugged I definitely so it was actually the day before they got the call. So they knew about this a little bit of Advance. This was the this was the the American Thanksgiving Friday where the Jets played like a afternoon game in Minnesota. Yes, and then Iowa made their way here to play so they called me actually on the Thursday night. So they knew about this in advance. But so from my understanding the situation was that Hammond was injured and I think there may have been an injury to either stay Locker dubnyk because CAC and I guess they're younger. They're younger stud that they recently drafted. Yeah, yeah, so he got he got called up to Minnesota. So that was the situation. So so they actually had a call-up for Iowa CJ Marty. Yeah. So I like what I was when I first met him. I totally thought he was just part of the team later found out that he was also yeah, he was coming up, huh East Coast. Yeah. Wow, so but yeah. So again, they just it was it was initially Craig that had called me and said hey, this is a situation tomorrow. Would you be interested in? Doing something like this. And again no hesitation whatsoever. Like I supposed to be working that day. But I knew that you know with my management everything they understand how much I love hockey. They already knew that I was doing the emergency backup for the Jets. So they totally understood that so before you bail on I'm sure I'm sure Zinger was probably just like god dammit. We just did this a week ago with Mikhail in the NHL and here we are doing it again. We got to call another emergency backup. So that's that's hilarious. Yeah. I know. It's great. That's what it's been so good. I'm liking it. That everyone's had the experience to do something this both Mikhail myself and then and hopefully some other guys is how you sure as well-meaning sprig stressed for Manitoba couple times and as has very common very caught up. Yeah. So well, what kind of interaction did you have with the team like, so it was well actually got to talk to Tim. Well Tim armies the head coach and actually I've talked to some of their management that night on the Thursday night just called me told me what the situation was sort of their expectations when any Need to be at the rink. So so I ended up doing the full day with them. Actually. I was at the rink at 9:30 in the morning. You know, I remember that's how I knew from experience. Yeah, so so they told me to come it was funny because they told me to come early. So I said, oh come at 9:30, you know, you'll come early and then you'll get to see the guys as they walk in. But I mean I showed up at maybe even a little bit before 9:30 and most of the teams already there. They're already in their workout stuff. They're warming up. So again, just just seeing that commitment. I mean I'd end of the day it's their job, but these guys There. Yeah, very very young. So yeah again, yeah got to the rink. I got shown to the room and everything is one of the most exciting parts to is having the equipment guys actually come over to they call them. Tuna. I can't can't say remember his first name, but everybody calls him tuna, but the equipment manager he comes over, you know right away. He's opening up my bag pulling on my stuff hanging in the stall. So something that you know is foreign to me. Oh, yeah. He's looking at he's like The bottom of my bag and there's like dirty socks and underwear. Of course, you know the last time I like seven pairs of socks. I have no idea. So he looks at me and says figure out what you need from this bag. I'm not going to touch this that's super funny. But yeah. So again, I got on the go on the ice with the team in the morning. I should all know one thing I wanted to mention was. The video before they did a bunch of video before the practice, you know, whenever power play and sort of neutral zone regroup things like that. Tim Army the head coach really really focuses a lot on you know, Puck possession Puck management neutral zone that kind of thing turnovers or like a big big thing for him. But he's also like a huge history. Junkie. So the one thing I learned is that when they do their morning skate before they do video the coach will you do the sort of like a little history lesson about you know some topic for that day. So so yeah, he actually it was that day was the The it was the 50th anniversary of the assassination of JFK. So he went on about you know, this assignation of JFK and how it happened a bunch of different sort of theories related to his death. So super super interesting. It was it was nice and you know, just get comfortable with the group something to ease a group into it and then, you know, get ready to hockey. I feel like he's part of the team at that point. Yeah, especially going through that. Yeah the full day. That's mean I just so yeah. Yeah, so the practice was great. I loved it really really hard. Probably one of the hardest. Practices that I've ever participated. Yeah got a question about that. How long did you stay on for like I know some teams they have the act of the scraps just and stuff say out after everybody else and he shoot on the back of goal. Whoever's not starting or if there's a third goalie they shoot on him. So did you stay out later after? Yeah, so that was the so that was a thing. So they mention that earlier I said, oh, you know, like Marty's probably only base earlier and a lot of the older players and maybe stay out for you know, 20 minutes half an hour for most of them and then most of them are gone at that point but of I was all for staying on assistants and I'll stay on as long as I bought it up. Yeah, kick me off. Yes, right. Yeah. So it was was at that point. We know half an hour in once all the guys to the left and it was mostly younger guys. I was absolutely gas. Like I couldn't believe I mean this is my first year not playing competitively so I'm not practicing on a regular basis, right because your 2222. Yeah really removed from playing him. Yeah. So this is my first year not blinking. So again like was there but the practices are not out there now and then again, obviously intensity of an Iowa wild practices incredibly High. Yeah. So even being you know you Damn is no slouch but it's a different level than 10 minutes in that died. I'd have a heart attack. Yeah - that's the thing to write as they the players know the drills. So right away, they're going to practice are getting shots right away super high paced, you know, they finish one drill quick sip of water three signals are there already into the next year? All right. They don't even talk about the drills. So again, really really hard for me. But yeah. It at the end though at that point, I couldn't really feel my body couldn't feel my legs. But I was sewing as prepared to stay on the ice for as long as I possibly using. Yeah, so so I actually did end up staying out. There were a couple guys that were scratched one. Probably one of the best Shooters. I thought for the entire practice was Dimitri's sokolov one of the sort of the Russian players had believe you played the oh last year. Yeah, so he was on ice and he was a guy like during the practice. He was one of those guys that really stood out to me a guy that really Ali fast release faster than anything I've ever played against a guy that can make it look like he's shooting one way and then shoot the other so really sort of even though he was here tonight. Really really I felt differentiated himself from those other guys in terms of like a shooting player and a goal scorer. So it was great. He was one of the guys that stayed on after because he wasn't playing that game so he had to stay on as well as a bunch of the other sort of younger guys William didn't I think was one of them and Gustavo Brahman? Yeah one of those Swedish player bitten so we chill I think and up I think okay. I'm not too sure. You might have played for Portland. I made me think of someone else. I'm gonna get a bit nervous. I get something a bit more inner bitten my drunken each other. Oh he was. Oh, thank you. Okay. Yeah. Okay. I'm off. We know what's going on Beatles. He was with them. But yeah, we're trying to tell him but yeah, so and then yeah and I hung out with them a little bit in the afternoon, but it Was think is right away. Like by the time you're off the ice you go have lunch. You only got a few hours. But yeah, it's I mean even back in the rink your back the ring at 5 o'clock. Yeah. So yeah. Yeah back the rink. I got to play a little bit of subha with a guy that's gonna ask that. Oh, that's okay because he walked in through the middle of that. So that was I was kind of curious if they like you do. I'm sure they would but that's awesome. Of course. I yeah I hopped in I was getting red in there. I mean I was Bit timid, right not as good in as I normally would be playing. Yeah with with the team but I got into it pretty early and they're trying to get the ball to me and I really enjoy that I really enjoyed that and again just just to see the team having fun like that too. And right as much as it is as a it's a job. He has very serious. They like to have a good time as well to they keep it loose at the beginning. It's better for them to go out of their way to make you feel comfortable. Right exactly Gabby even sadly they didn't have to do those things for them and same thing right like but they did it's that's so amazing. Yeah. Professionals it was funny. I think one of the guys like all the players made me feel super super welcome, you know, they're introducing themselves or chatting me up. They're all asking me the funniest part is they're asking me where I play. They're like, oh, you know, we're do you play it? I just I don't play anywhere. I'm not even playing there's so what can I do? Yeah, they're like those guys. That was crazy. But but yeah again all the pleasure super well for me. I think the one guy that was probably the least welcoming was was CJ Marty, which is very interesting because I thought, you know having this goal. You know, he's gonna be excited to have an emergency backup. He'll want to chat but I think it was a combination of a bunch of things. I usually is really focused very focused and obviously later. I find out that he was a college. So I was that his first a child, you know, first of the year I said I shouldn't because I was happy gaming where's Cochran and got called up. I knew that and I was like, where's having? So I assumed he was injured and this mode a guy I look him up never heard of him. And then like I do my goalie video and that's the one actually mean by Page boy. Oh up is it got shared by it? Because he were like Factory mat equipment which no one else wears. So I tag all the you've seen my page. Yeah. So I take them all and next thing. I know I'm getting like 200 300 followers and like an hour and stuff. So I look and they shared my video but I had no idea who he was and he had played a few games last couple of years as like two or three. So now I'm sure he was a little like in the zone for sure. Yeah, and I thought you played a really solid game to play. It was really good. Yeah be in that position where you know, the Is you don't get many chances at this and this is of course one chance to prove yourself or show that you can be at this level. And so I thought he played a hell of a really good game really but small, which I'm a big fan of small goalies. Like I can relate. Yeah. Yeah Jonathan Roth over here a little shorter. We revive this is he daren't pank Banger. Holy jumping. So like I know when Gavin did it he got to keep his jersey. I'm sure you didn't. I didn't get to keep the Jersey know did you get anything out of it? I did I sick experience. I did get a stick and it was something actually I mentioned earlier in the day. I said, oh yeah, by the way, like I've basically got one stick right now. I've got two sticks with my other sticks like it's kind of it's pretty cracked and I think it's pretty good. Might come to the point where like I may actually need a stick from you guys. So as funny after the game and we're not asked him about the Jersey. They said unfortunately couldn't give me the Jersey but they pass the stick on to me was after you want to CAC in and sticks Premier to while and I've gotten away from using hamsa sticks mainly because of the price point DS but it is not a big fan of the myself. Yeah, the it's extremely light. So I mean, they're getting lighter every year well, but great steak. I'm yeah, I'm get just recently used it. A few times getting used to it a little bit. But yeah, so I end up with a stick bunch of workout apparel. I got these a hat. Yeah, of course that I wore on this on the sidelines so she sat in the corner my buddy kept on the go talk to him go talk to him. Like I'm on the opposite end. Obviously, I'm in the Badlands my buddies could talk to him because you you saw me where be give me a little and my boys. Holy shit. You really do know him. Yeah. It's like not that big of a deal my place whole I don't remember who was at the game with and he was just in awe. But yeah, he's a cool down there go. There's like nope. Nope. No you my favorite part would have been just sitting with the ice girls. Yeah. Well it was it was it was so funny because they I mean they all thought that it was on the team, of course, you know - yeah, I mean these conversations with with the equipment manager in the trainer who are also standing in the corner with me. Yeah, and you know where you're cracking jokes and I guess like some of the jokes it appeared that I wasn't on the team so, you know, these girls are looking you and your super confused or like who aren't going on and I knew his voice are you not on the team and I was like, no like I'm from Winnipeg. This is a one-time. Yeah, so that was super funny. But but yeah, I know it was it was it was get it was great to get to sit by the ice, you know, so whether it was on the Venture was he a bench super super exciting. Yeah being on the bench. We've been kind of the icing on the cake. That would have been pretty cool. But even seen that quarter would be awesome warm-up would have been sweet. I've always wondered stopping him a warm up. Oh, yeah. I've always wanted to wear it sit on the bench and wear that hat the guys hated Junior Hawk cabin where the half visor and And I go see like chat and stuff playing the Dove and they'd be sitting on the bench with her hat since I was like fuck not even close to good enough for that how we pretty cool small things small things for me. So I we talked about before is you never did get to meet Frederick Shabbat their goalie coach for no Frederick Shabbat. I didn't know you know for Montreal Canadiens. So do you want us back up was he he was there he might have been Tebow's back up. Okay, but he was around that Eric. See I've ever had. The same pads as well the old Coho 500s revolutions. Yeah, so there's a guy street hockey pads now so I can remember was it a back-to-back game or was it a day in between if you play the they play the Friday night and then they played the Saturday afternoon. Okay, so I was gonna ask if you went out the boys after to walk sees your anyway, I was I was was considering that they didn't go that night. I believe he did something the next night, but my friend said something going on and doing that anyways, but yeah, I'm sure. They did end up actually a four-for-one on the Saturday night boys. I'm sure they had a big night. Yeah, they want the win the game. They won the saturday. Yes. Yes. They did. I think they want both know that they lose that Friday night was the Moose one in overtime. Okay, that's right. Yes. What's that was the new schemes are a blur. Well, I was well, I was I remember sitting there, you know over time and I was just praying that Iowa bin so I could get to go out on the ice one more time, you know? Yes high five all the guy for Course, you know yeah tap heads with with Mater. Yeah, but unfortunately they lost. I was just straight very honest recent accident. Damn. It can all work out. Hey, the fans were happy. Did you did you have the opportunity to like contact any family at all? Yeah, so I had both my friends read the game which was great. You know, it's it made me excited to have for them to have that experience to be able to see me. Yeah see. Oh, yeah the time the commitment that both like well myself as well. My parents had put into hockey to finally Sort of see that realize. Yeah, even for one game super super special how much it meant to you right know you but them and exactly knows great. It was absolutely right to have them they're nice man. So, how often do you are you the goalie? That's how does a rotation work between you guys so for the for the Jets for the Emergency backup, I believe they do sort of like a priority system where one month one goalie will sort of get first priority in the next month else or it'll switch it up. So so sort of for the first month I kind of got First priority not to pick my games all ones that were available at that time and then sir, for example, the second month. They just said oh, hey, there's only one game left that we need someone in this house the game. Okay. So yeah, I've got I've gotten to go to some great games of turned out accessible snaps. Yeah. I've really only been to one loss. I think so far. I went and saw that the game it was the Minnesota game on the 29th or Minnesota played a hell of a road game - yeah, that's all they did. Yeah. Remember that one so that was kind of a bummer. But all the other games have been super super exciting like one of the best ones from that Tampa Bay game. Yes. I was over time it's five or five for so yeah, it's not one. That was a hell you get to watch it. I got to I got a two-year-old. So yeah bedtime usually intersects with with game night. And unless I'm recording the game, I usually miss it. So it's kind of a bummer. You gotta bring someone with you to the games. I do. Yeah. I know you take a guess nice. So I mean that's also been a great part of it as well myself. I normally get the chance to go to the games again because they're expensive and I would only go maybe a number of times a year if my parents are going to take me or maybe buy a game or two of myself, but it's also great take a guess because I could take some people that also don't really normally go to the game right so I can press box. Yeah, so it's so, you know, I got that experience multiple times. Yeah for them having the one experiencing to do that was was amazing. I did take my mom once which fell really really nice. I was happy to take her. I wasn't cool course so and Again, yeah got take a bunch of my friends. Who because you walk in the front and go up that elevator. Right? And you're up in the Press Box. I've never I I went up there because my associate association with True North off invited me again to WWE to live and so I got to watch wrestling from the Press Box and it was really cool because like this is my first time ever being up there, but they still had like all the Press names like lining all the seats and everything and I think the Rangers were just in so it had all the Rangers writers and media members Russell is there I don't remember but I sat in Gary Lawless is seat that do I just have to well anyway school. I'm really is that the game is at the game yesterday. We're watching flurry warm-up and this lady dressed in like high heels gold everything for a golden knights came down. She fell down the stairs beside the bench carry laws is just and the fuck's up and gear looks at me. It looks down at her he was like this. I'm like, I have no idea. So I gotta ask. Were you the priority goalie this month? So for this my back she wasn't believe it or not. I'm actually going away for school. Yeah. I'm going away to the Netherlands for an exchange semester. Wow, leaving at the end of the month. Congrats dude. That's sick. Someone that's been out that way. It's awesome. Yeah, and someone that likes to see how to music as me. You'll be able to see some amazing shows Earth. Definitely is half of them are from there. One of the main things that's got me got me interested in the area for sure. Yeah. So yeah, so I actually emailed Katie who was one of the girls that organizes hockey operations one of the assistants to Craig and she organizes the the backup goalie is so I emailed her and said, oh, hey, I'm still around for January. If you need me to do any games. I'm available and I'm still here. So she was on the impression that I was I had left at that point. So thank God that I had emailed her so She says oh we still need player for one game. We need to go leave for the Colorado game and coincidentally Colorado's my favorite team. Wonderful one of my other favorite teams other than yeah. That's yeah so actually got to go to the Colorado game in November the first time they played them at home. And then I also got the other this game whole lot as well. Both big wins for the Jets. Yeah. Yeah. I went I went to one of them yet ready to be November Yammer that was wondering what to you like him, too. Yeah. They smoked him. 7/4 I wore my McKinnon lose his jersey. And the first time they scored all five or six goals as well. Yeah, it was they seem to be or sorry. I don't down pretty good when they roll it. Yeah, it seems they've been struggling a little bit of his as of late. I think like a Colorado. Yeah Canyonlands describing those guys are still going but in terms of any reward rest of the secondary scoring is those not there right now. The top lines are not going then yeah goal today didn't kind of hurting them to this Soderbergh just get a hat rack. Yes. Yeah sounds very very does exist. Ask was the reason I ask this is your month because if I had a priority month and I got a pic I think last night was the first case Circle on whole season for me because like our buddy Tim Morrison bigmar country flurry fan, like really big mortgage affluent. It's kind of weird. Can you do that? You too though. You too. Yeah so flower. That's pretty cool to get a goldfish like you imagine if you would have bought it just for the apps. That would have been that ya know. That was something I was Every game I mean that was running through my mind and and even the the officials there say they have you entered the office officials sit next to us the guys that can do the go light actually so every game, you know, he'll make a joke. It's sort of it's like a joke, but he's serious at the same time words, like, you know be prepared like you might have to play today. Yeah, you know, sometimes I forget that and then I actually go and I'm just laying there and I'm like, yeah. Okay like yes, it's very Posh isn't just why I'm here. You're not just your watching. Yeah exactly. Is this your number one for you like doing this. This is your number one that has fresh. I've gone to do this. Yeah. Oh amazing. So cool. All right. No, you're gonna say, yeah. I really like this has been the first year, but hopefully not the last yeah going away some in Miss the last couple months, but what do you mean wait for school? Like what he was schooling? I'm in business right now. So this is my is actually my last semester. Wow, Master. Ideally my graduating semester yet through the Aspera school. So they have a great International relationship with a lot of schools. So in a wide array of schools that you can choose from and every, you know, everyone Raves, Go to Amsterdam of course and any and Europe. So that seemed like it was an easy Choice. Sometimes you want to Rotterdam. So it's a really cool Sam's you damn little bit smaller City sort of get that get that feel that I'm actually living there as the residents. So yeah, very very excited. Very happy for you. You get a chance do Brussels. It's totally something so go Tomorrowland every year but fuck. It's a cool City like so cool. That's Belgium. Yeah, right. I think it's European Capital, but it's It's something else. I don't know what second winter. I know it's nice brussels sprouts come from. I don't know about that actors read ask the hard-hitting questions here or E. So we've kind of covered your day there and a little bit of other stuff minor hockey. I want to talk about that. I always like to kind of bring up your Grassroots. So growing up you play AAA Hawks monarchs. What Community Club did you play for? So I was called kind of all over the Is with minor hockey even before waa my dad actually used to live in Riverview now lives and same hotel, but Riverview is considered for that Ford Gary area again this morning. Yeah, and at this time the Sam Southern Arena. Well, they did it definitely some tryouts. I mean, sometimes they're big fan of that rink. Yeah. It's really showers great memories great memories area and well sometimes I Grand Park went oh, oh my God. Whoo - all right Charles Barbara. Oh, I placed my sister Lisa. Sunday pick up there and when you play adults like we actually used to play a central League there and we have a defenseman on this term has ranks in the Civil legal or not. Great. I put the team a couple like XE chillers and stuff in these guys like big boys and like one stride and a through the neutral zone there. It's I don't know how those rings are still standing but backed back to you is Sergeant Parable. Yeah, so so they had I was kind of all over the place they had, you know, so many kids try growing up in that for you. Area that multiple teams multiple for Gary teams and the for Richmond team. Yeah, no Christian. Would ya sort of that whole areas where another scenery switching teams every year, you know, I played two years of Fort Garry Flyers your Richmond for Friday one and then it wasn't it was 13 is when I played my first year of double A. Okay. So both our goal is that the double-a level really really strong so was once that sort of fear AAA once per year two of them gave me my chance to come into that. Double a spot so it was a been throat. Listen. Yes, one of the goalies who who's also he was a monarch sky, but for a park in that for Charles with Hawks and then Andrew Derwin who also played for for Charles. Yeah for a couple of years as well played he was also that share our goalie. So so yeah, so we actually went on and we won the championship that year in double-a, which was great your first year for sure WTO on the championship. Who's your goalie partner? Was it was an intruder? Okay. Now is he stuck around now to date us though, like what year was that for you? That would have been 2008 or 2009. We'll just to I know 2011 2011 was when I was 14. Yeah. Wow, so maybe okay. So maybe I was in 2009 10 2010 Man 2008 was quite the year. I really doing in 2008. I went to work to her warped or is it's like a punk rock? Festival yeah. Yeah, it does exist travel accessible actually got out towards the end, but holy shit. We won't even go into what I was doing was playing hockey my picture of us and he loves you with your roller hockey trophy. Yeah, we won't be happy and ship ticket to the Nationals. Is that are a great sword parts that are grade 12 grad 2007. Skip half my grad to go play with the finals. We won like 16 114 was You only got to leave the grad party and come back with me and Felicity. Oh, yeah feel easy went to Roger. It's pretty sure he got stoned to the Bone at that guaranteed. So yeah to wow, so that age is US quite a bit. Yes. We were in grad I wanted to do though. That's good. He's good. So anyways, when you play AAA, who did you play with like some of the players? Yeah, so that's so it was after I moved on then I stirred it up to AAA. So it's bad in bed on her. Among those are first year and it actually I tried out for the monarchs originally and we had gone to the Final Cut. There was still for goalies left two goalies. Well, Evan Johnson was for sure go out the time. He's probably one of the best schools in double-a and the best school in AAA the year before that and then sort of was like a it was a toss-up, sir between the three other goalies myself been through like sand and then Shane teason was the other goalie thing. And so the other coaches said come forward and said, We'd be interested in both two goalies that you cut. So so basically it was all for goalies. We're going to make AAA that year. Oh, wow. So, you know really really strong strong group in the monarchs a lot of good goalies. So I got cut from the team moved on to the Hawks and then Shane it up getting kind of moved on to the sharks. So ended up playing on the Hawks that year and we ended up being the top team and played with some amazing amazing players. Well, I mean Adam Brooks That was our was our number one guy. Yeah even know that name. All right, captain and uncles he's traffic is you know signing signing signing agent who drafted the small guy? Yeah, so he's good. Yeah, he is really really really good one of those guys even at you know, 13 14 years old has the way he sees the ice his his hockey IQ is phenomenal he would, you know, do these plays where he'd come over the blue line and just make it look like he's going one way just rip the puck on net, you know catch goalies off. Like I'm you know, those things early early a way before other players because Sean of those things and that's really what sort of differentiate them from everybody else. He had think 250 points is last two years in the tub. She's crazier Johnny. Wow, just a little smaller guy. I know that fuck. He's good. He's a pretty good eats all player to yeah. Yeah, so hopefully yeah, I really hope he gets more of a chance, you know, the more ice time gets to play with better guys. I know he's been struggling a little bit Yeah in Toronto. I think I mean really comes down and sort of See, I'm you're playing too deep organization Jazz machine at this time, right? Yeah. Yeah, so she upfront visit defenseman in that organization. You have a great opportunity, but I definitely sense of running Jake Gardiner out of town go all topic for another day. But so that's wow. But yeah, so I mean Adam brushes definitely top guy I'll Chase Harrison was also a either went on to play in Regina him and Adam and a plane together. Yeah, but yeah, but you had I mean compared to the rest of the teams Natalie we had sort of much much Superior geum. I think we hadn't we Lost to regulation games all season Wow. We lost one game in the Playoffs historic season. And yeah, so again, but for but for me it being the goalie of his maybe take 15 20 shots a game, you know, let in one and then, you know, six one seven one would be showing your final score every night. It was gonna how it was so it's always me 10 saves or same percentages over 90, right? Really, that's what that's that's really what it was. Yeah, so so for me, I I wasn't you know, that's amazing. Not really that nervous, you know games right? Well, you know just be comfortable don't want any bad goals and it was guaranteed that we would win pretty much so it wasn't really came down to so the term and so we had to play on we actually went on to the Western bantams at year end up losing the final it was here especially here in Winnipeg. This was like, I think it was the first year that iceplug is opened up. Oh, yeah, that would be able yeah, that'd be able to tell the 2011 newsplex. Yeah, we have we providing both that time. We're playing the weight flirty division. Yeah, probably. Yeah. I think that was you. One maybe 2013. I don't we wanted 2013. Yeah, Beer League Championship. Whatever great prize, please Spencer. Yeah. Hey everyone just that is like a prize. That's a prize trophy. Everybody else was pretty we actually have a we actually have a coach of one of our of our beer league team. We were called the samurai Pizza cats and he we all autographed it and I'm pretty sure he's got it on display in his basement. So yeah. Yeah, we filled a few things are like second last son win the playoffs images when When all the way to the finals might have cheated a bit adding Nicktoons Alden, but did we? Yeah, you only played four games. That's not important. They don't take that away from us. That's the only Championship everyone. I don't be putting that on the air. So after you played AAA you went on to play high school hockey. How was that? Yeah, so I was trying to I was trying to place for that. The Thrasher's wild of like being like a late cut for the wild when I was when I was 17 recut. So was like the year cancer. I think I Say was what it was Tyler Brown. You're still Tyler Brown Navin Johnson. Also pretty cool again. Both very very young. Goalies. Well, I will Johnson had sort of been back and forth from the whle coming out of High season. Tri-City was also in Calgary after a little bit. So it means a Portland Yeah, I'm not not sure. It's not important with a couple teams. Yeah, come on teams have one of his portlanders again. Yeah, I have everything Jersey. Oh, yeah, I think that I think the something happened with the blues as well where he was kind of I guess coming down all the blues. He wasn't interested and then once he got cut because he had well he was confident. He was going to wh alright, so I want to say that, you know, he told the blue she wasn't interested. So, you know, the blues had to go out and get another. Lee and then by the time he was cut from WHL the blues are there they already had their guys. Yeah, it's that's really what the situation was. So anyways, he came down and end up playing for for my high school, which was great, you know get to play with some of those guys on I always rise with right Vincent Massey message it. Oh, yeah. Yeah, so guys that I grew up playing with when I was, you know, eleven twelve thirteen won that Championship with when I was with you up with in double-a. Yeah. So it was great to get to play those guys again, you know, you have the most fun playing in front of your school or schools. Spirit like like at the rink. Well, I mean we were playing out of shiver stone silver slow to respond. So we just lost the city's there last year airball. We've lost in overtime to go to the cities and yeah cool drink. Yeah shiver Stone. You may remember we played there against Port Richmond in grade 12 and CTV was there and I remember we all went to Monroe's after to watch the highlights. Okay. Yeah. Oh, yeah, I remember we were here. We lost them they were like second last year something good bad team. We were bad and sometimes something highs in our school spirit for games was incredible. I remember that was it like my third game with Piper's? Yeah. There was a we want Tim chance because bees are getting lit up. Oh, yeah that happened to your bees are hate to bring it up if you're listed. I know she probably is so we're sorry. All right, Herbie. You better be these about so yeah High School Hockey Zone. Awesome. Maybe it's not the greatest level hockey. It's pretty good. But it's funny. It's so much fun. It's a lot of fun to make this a little bit before too. But locally who were some of the goalies who looked up to and also in the NHL while you're kind of coming up. So locally, it was really the guys that were around my age because those guys that you know, I played AAA that first year and it was really the sort of guys that I would look up to but also, you know, The guys are you comparing yourself to how do I get to this level? How do I how am I going to use this next level where I'm competing with these guys equally so those are guys like, you know, Evan Johnson's tie Edmonds. Yes, he was Prince George probably the best goalie in in our league and triple a for sure thing. The top prospects game see each other. Yeah. He's a really good gold. Really. I want to say set the record for for Prince George four wins. Yeah. You did my franchise, right? Yeah, no shit. Well, so anyways amazing amazing. Goalie. I believe now I want to say playing C is Somewhere. I think he is. I follow him with my goalie account and I think he was as he follow you I actually don't know kind of got to the point where it just kind of really stop looking at next couple days or I got like 500 followers in the day and I just like this way more. This is what it is what it's like being a hot chick. Yes. Yeah. You're gonna get the blue checkmark. Assuming. I don't think you're gonna find yeah, I think he is playing C is I'm not high for sensors. So don't quote me on this, but I'm pretty sure you're right. Yeah. I know. I think he is really good goal. I know that I know that. John's was trying again to the CIS as well. But he was with oh, yeah your receipt wrong. Yo. Yeah also great great goalie. So again, those are kind of the guys that looked up to locally. Well Alex Moody was also one of them as well. He has two blades brand we yes has two blades. So so the one and only year I went to a WHL Camp was Saskatoon. And so I so moody was there and I didn't have too much too much knowledge about Moody before that. That was kind of my first time. Really getting to see him play watch his game and you know, all these other top goalies believe it or not. The other goalie on my team when I was in Saskatoon was Andre Makarov Wally astonishment your for Savers pick played played in the World Juniors Russell s key for Team Russia. All right. Yeah is that yeah. It was year when it was in Calgary and Edmonton. It was him a vasilevsky, right? So all correct me if I'm wrong but coming full circle that Moody guy. Is that the same one that played Iowa? No, that's Tomatoes, okay. Sorry, I my brain was playing tricks. So I was want to see shit he was in Saskatoon and then treat the Brandy he backed up Ernie of the year. They lost to what's it called clone in the files on they had a bow and all those guys and then he actually quit hockey and I think he's believe he's becoming a cop if I'm not mistaken. So, okay. Don't quote me on that. That's Yeah, just something I heard from a friend. That's a cop so Let's leave it at that. Yeah, I personally like when I was growing up I looked up to like racial and beauchemin. Do you know what that is? Yeah, he was a World Junior. That's for sure. Yeah, I used to did a couple skates with him. Another guy was Stephen Drew. You know who that is at all can't say that. I do know you played for the Portage Terriers, but I did a bunch of skates. Like I used to skate with like fuck. It was like boy Dawes staves Scott Glennie Dustin Penner like all His guys and it was like is like a four-hour window and half these guys would be on one drink at the Highlander with a personal trainer. Then the other one would be like a bunch of the guys running through drills and we were basically just pop targets. It was nothing president. I'm targets it was like me him a couple other guys. I can't remember. I think they just played scenes and stuff. But yeah, I don't know where I was going with that snow for sure will actually one thing I want to mention two was was to Morrison you had mentioned earlier when we were talking good friend, but he was He was actually one of our goalie coaches in AAA. I wasn't asking who was your Hawks and City midget. Yeah, so I when I was 15 at that city manager level he was our goalie coach is going to ask that because I kind of figured the time frame my to work. Yeah, everybody was yeah we went on to win the championship that year as well a lot of similar guys that we had basically only player that we've lost from the datum team was Brooks who went on to play thrashes when I was 15, so it's pretty much that same team very very dominant team. But I remember just the other day. I was looking at a picture of me Ryan Braun who was the other goal. Yeah and Tim Morrison holding up the trophy for the for the league championship. So I still remember he posted on Facebook back in the day. Yeah, that's how I kind of kind of around this camp out of like Winkler Altona. Okay. Yeah, Altona I helped him out for one day this year, but I've known Tim fuck since Big Friend of the show. Yeah, you'll be on the will give me a couple months got a kid on the way. So she's gonna be listening to me and I go Timmy. But yeah, I hope homeless camp and I'm doing Tim fuck probably two thousand and two or three if not earlier from going to Rick sink. Why every single year with him? Hmm. But great guy. Shoot me from what I can tell a phenomenal goalie career coach. I never really had to see him play competitively as a goalie. But yeah, definitely being our goalie coach, you know looked up to him, you know major respect for him really good a very very very very positive. He was always very positive always at the games, you know picked up little things. So it was great. It was great having him at practice and Do Eddie at least some goal is stuff, you know what I mean at the end of the day comes down to the team and you need your goal is for the practice, but it was great. It was great having him. I like I remember like back in the day. Tim and I are pretty much Rick's demo goalies for all the chills that way like way back and I was back in the day before like just when the whole lateral movement your down the but if the push and the VH + r VH before that even came in that's way back they so but Tim's From why the goalies? He's come like he's brought up through you say at the southern Manitoba like, I mean cold Kahler Matthew Thiessen, he's had a couple other ones say it's he's done pretty well for himself. Absolutely and great teacher and he's a teacher by trade and coaching just comes naturally to him. So we're kind of running pretty good here for time. So I got one more question before we end off here. So being an MMA. I'm guy dude. Awesome. Thanks. Yeah being an MMO guy you're talking to a couple of kjh Hell plugs Keystone Junior Hockey League plugs. So we were pretty aware of what the DMM was pretty good League. What was the cage a child you guys, you know of it. Yeah. I yeah, I didn't use engine plate. I did have a couple friends that played actually had one of my one of my friends I played with when I was on Vincent Massey Mason Maderos went on to play in the land are oh, yeah for a couple I want to say multiple 0 each other mittie Roe's I believe he had an older brother that did play also in Lund are yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah for sure. That's cool. He's uh, he's actually the he's the equipment manager for the mousse. Yeah. That one's a lot of them yet one other quick managers for the most amazing journey every OG use one of the other ones. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, so but actually it was actually my first year trying out for em, I got a letter from Saint Malo. Okay had didn't really know kind of what the KJ was and then, you know got this letter. I was Seema Lower, where is this? I've never been to same all of them. Yeah, I do or this is so but I mean, you know, I thought about you know, filling out the application or sending to them. But you know, I was I was just putting all my money on the MMS again. I'm actually getting go away locally, right? Yeah. Yeah hold their worst coldest in Manitoba and it's a mall. Oh, yeah. The rank is actually like the board's it's like I'm pretty sure to get actual square or rectangle. Like there's a defense when you're coming around. Court Around the Net you want to put it off the glass. It's going straight to the malleus. Absolutely. Love playing the pocket my God. I hated playing the puck there, especially the 1/4 because the the Zamboni doors are like leaning in so we're probably because the backup if you're ever back it up in a game. You probably have to sit in the corner because there was no room on the tables were so so I never did back up there while I played pretty much every game you very much. Yeah, but that's where I played a bit in the mm with the Hawks off and on. Yeah. This is they they cut the goalie me. They weren't a big fan of him and caught him in and I went back there and kind of double duty one year and I'll spend a bit of time in the end Rachel but good night. She goes. Yeah, that's the way she goes. She goes, not it. Yeah the mmm. I absolutely love the MMA. I think it's I think it's great that we have only given Ali that's you know set up like that similarly occasional, you know got guys can you know still play competitively they have a time to work? Yeah school school, you know, it's important game coming out of high school to have that balance in your life. Definitely. We're not putting all your putting all your time into. Hockey, I think it's great deal and hangs up either you can keep playing competitive. I know exactly and I know that's kind of what the teams that broke away from the cage a just this year. They formed their own league and I think that's kind of what they're trying to do like the five teams that broke away but by the southern teams, I've got to go. Yeah, I don't know like to me like it would just make sense if I could couple them absorbed into the mm right because it's really not that far out of the city like Selkirk and yeah Seema was not that far. I think peavey's got a team Penn Valley the yeah, it'll be good be tough to compete. Is I mean you got storm all right there and wouldn't pay you obviously have What's called? The Raiders now was when we played the Raiders were like a joke like an absolute joke like they'd get one with a year in the Seven Oaks where he didn't even though Raiders Hockey Club. Yeah there and they're wearing black and the other where they Block in yellow. Well the satellites were a traditional good right? So that's it's no wonder why the Raiders stung I was totally back when we played like the KJ was almost on par with the mm like Norway house had all these like Really good, MJ H, l-- players that quit to go there because they loaded their team up our first year and then the Tsar set was at her second year that seemed a lousy loaded up to ya brought all these guys X2 Keith. Yeah. Well, this is an exception. I don't feel a thing and then like our Berg was actually a farm team for dolphins. So they had all the guys our age like 18 or 17 year olds that didn't make dolphin but went there and like Ryan Draeger he went on to be like a hundred plus Point guy in the mg HL and oh, yeah, it was way different back then. But yeah, so what that's pretty much wraps up the interview because a couple of my questions here. I think you already covered. So anything else you want to add before we kind of move on to some news after the breaker. I don't know if I have too much to add. You know, I think when we covered it, we covered a lot of it really it sort of the Iowa thing was the main guy was the most main topic in that was yeah again helvete experience again just really really humbled to be a part of it what's been going on great to get to go to the games. I mean obviously huge Jets guy. I know that you guys are too. Yeah, so it's great. And again, yeah super happy that you guys had me come and discuss to all people as your thank you for coming. Oh, that's good. Man, all right. We'll take a quick break and we'll jump into some of these news as we cap off this episode which is turned out awesome. Yeah, okay read is sticking around and talk some NHL with us, which is even better. Yeah, we've gotten more of this interview than I think I ever could have hoped absolutely awesome. And this is this is the best so he's not aware of segment that's coming up. So it's my touch me as a little bit surprised. Here's the blinds are closed. You can't really see. I think I hear something you something. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I think the planes are flying overhead. Its Jets talk. Just talk the boys are on their five two and oh in an 11-day stretch, they are wrong. Number one Laura Bush wah, it was the story of the game. They sent me home pretty upset. Why is that? Well, my boy was tell the fans why Molly first reason I went home upset was that's one Mickey moose moose can talk. Okay. So this is this is the story. This is the one yeah, I forgot all about this you're going to it off with this. So first thing that happened last night, I wore my Vegas Jersey no Vegas to through the game sitting road to directly behind it on the bubbles was behind for swap or two of the what do they say on this Chiclets podcast like not a big deal or something. Well, this is kind of not a big deal. Yeah. So so sit in there if I think it was Keen eyes are tackling flurry right? Beside me. I turned to him and say, oh you don't remember last year and he turns to me looks at me and kind of looks back and he looks at me he says You guys didn't win either and I'm Mickey Mouse talk and everyone around us just kind of looks like what fuck and I'm like Mickey went rogue. Yeah, and I was like, well, we beat you guys and you guys lost an expansion team when Vegas or pits are Christmas trees in Vegas when those two teams come through talking shit the Jets kind of get forgotten. So he looks any again. He's like well, do you know there's no prize in second place and for second place and yeah, we had a little chitchat. And then he gave me a pat on the back after kind of just friendly banter. So it was kind of kind of a shock but I went home upset because Lauren for SWAT definitely stole that gave lastly but that was wow. He was phenomenal that we just he looks just so dialed in right now. So from your Vantage Point those two Breakaway walls that were coming down flurry gambled on the one and the other one. He didn't have a chance. He did his old poke check with she's known for and it does say it backfired to be an understatement. But I guess your bleep really strong and really really good as well. Not as much of a workload as Force wall face, but it was a good game. It was a playoff hockey pretty much. It was a nice size was a nice change. I know Vegas had about 25 shots and second period I think I'd read it. Yeah, 25 26. I think he had 35 saves before the third even started but it was a nice change of tune compared to the Anaheim game where I which I was at but I thought they were flat. A lot of points in the game outside. It was kind of a tough one to watch it was entertaining because I ended up winning in overtime but kind of a they sure know a lot of wins our backup schedule this time of year. You can kind of see it see it in the way that they're playing that there's a little bit a little bit tired. It's a lot of hockey right? No, I want to throw throw in some Ambrose why I know I think he's been absolutely he's been unbelievable. I'm gonna like so good. Like I feel a little like, he's played himself out of Winnipeg next season. I think we can all agree on that. It can't afford. Board to keep him with the guys they have to sign next year. But with comrie though. Do you think they would even try to keep him? I don't know like because it's hard to say because next year when calmer you recites assuming they reassign him. I don't see why not. He's pretty much any it's all All-Star right now. But like he has to clear waivers next to your car Maurice. We asked and he would get picked up in a heartbeat to be kind of like a Subban situation when Boston tried saying that's a good comparable and he got picked up early Greek pedigree, really? Engage all goalie. In fact the lot better than Subban was in the AHL but subbands a good goalie. Nothing against him. It's hard to see what they're going to do next year. I don't I don't know if they'll be able to keep or so, I think he might get an opportunity somewhere to be a 1 a 1 B. Whereas right now. He shouldn't be a 1A 1B, but he is like he's I think you agree with me read that he's heavily out playing number 37. They're unbelievable. Yeah. I know. I think it will so comfortable the net you know, he's He's not getting to see the ice that much but when he does he and so comfortable in that his movement is is unbelievable. And I think yeah just just all around. Yeah, just the way he plays I feel you know, I feel very confident with him in the net. You know what I think I know that water the players the players do as well. Of course A lot of people are on the workplace or saying the same thing and it's and it's even I mean probably talking system last year. Yeah, and it's even when you talk about being comfortable like they're not they're not giving up that many shots, but he'll books in the net right? No, so that Tells you right there that they're not worried that he's going to make those saves and I'm not the biggest. Hello Buck fangs. I mean being a smaller goalie. I like the athletic guy and so he's very positional and stuff and he's not that you won't see him flash like the swallows just he's got that confidence in how about a bit of a subtle Swagger to him last year? Yeah this year. They can read like 20 year old records. He has a bit record has been horrible by any me. No, no he He hasn't been great. Like he was last year. He's been mostly it's good enough. So he's I mean, he was a Vesna candidate this year. He's not he's definitely not this year. Like, I mean, we saw one of them last night for Vegas. This is kind of went over Jets talk. Yeah and say the other twos Gibson and I don't know if you can count vasil levski yet because he missed a bit of a chunk. They're gonna vote aye desna Kennedy you say flurry? Yeah. Yeah. Okay said guys we saw last night. It's late already. Yeah, and then he's closest his vassal Gibson looks pretty good, though. He if like can you give it to guy misses playoffs? I don't know about that. But like if it wasn't for him that team would be whole. Yeah dad last that be kind of comparable one Josie teodor want it in 2002. They made the playoffs so did make the pain they went to this one and I'm still almost in a wild cards. They are like, they're sticking points out over the roller yesterday Yeah by me playoffs will matter like when the voting obvious. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but making the playoffs really kind of pushes that like I don't look at Gibson as a heart candidate if they make the playoffs. Yeah, that's a good they are pretty good point at like really bad and the beer would have 12 game losing streak in they're still just hanging on mmm says a lot about him. So do you think a lot like grab our kind of took over from Hopi last year ended up starting in the playoffs? Do you guys like both you guys ask you both. Do you think that it's a possibility? That if purse walk he's playing at this level that he could potentially steal a starter's job in any pan. I think it's hard to say I would say yes, but at the same time you'd also have to factor in who were playing and I mean that's that's still a long ways away always away. Yeah, but yeah, hypothetically be Keys playing like this like you almost be crazy not to have like, he's late. Yeah. No, I told I told I totally agree. Yeah, that's why I think again, we've got the confidence to him and he looks good. But you know, he'll books that guy. He's also he has that experience to even though I mean, he'll bucks still young as well. They're both young very young. But you know, he'll book had a great experience last year played phenomenal in the playoffs. So I still think you know, he's going to be the guy they're going to be looking towards but it's great to know that we have we have someone else and that even if even if he has isn't playing regularly if he's not even at all the time he'll come in and he's still playing. Well not just coming in to mop up. And to be fair also, hello Buck. He hasn't really cost us any games outside of know maybe the Pittsburgh game a lot. Like it was I'm not going to compare Connor Howell back right out to Grant fuhr but a lot like Gretzky would say about Grant fuhr like sure. Yeah, he'd let him five goals, but he wouldn't let him a 6 right. He wouldn't like that rustling in. Yeah, exactly. Right? And other than that in the Anaheim game the goal Andrew Clark Lionel scored on hello book, which I'm sure he probably wants back like he doesn't Tend to let in an absolute stinker like that can from time to time. But I mean he had like I said that he hasn't really cost them any game like most of the games they've lost have been collectively bad games. And like I said go back to that Pittsburgh game might be his one where he really cost them and November there. Yeah, he led and hang all three goals were pretty well to three were really good Shooters on that pink. Actually. The only reason I know this is to say when I was working out not much of a workout is Our run but when I was I actually watch that game. I hadn't recorded a never did watch it. I don't know if I've ever went for an hour run. So it was It was kind of pretty good work. Very humble. Actually, I can't say I've ever done what happened to put it put it kind of lightly. I remember I did used to run like how marathons this also an hour around and being my cap is not very good. Yeah personally, but not total juicing. That's I can't say I have relatives that list did not take steroids period yeah, so yeah will be interesting what happens. I mean the Jets really need that All-Star break that's coming up and what like, yeah a week and a half when we look at their schedule. I think it had like a camera how many games it was but it was like almost a game every second day it is. It's made end up for the Europe trip. Yeah, it ended up being like a let 11 games in 19 days or something crazy like that. Like the I'm making up for the EuroTrip. Like you said they have like wolves. It to Eames and yeah, 10 days or 11 days moving away from the blue paint a little bit one guy that stood out to me at least being in the stands at the Anaheim game was Brandon tanev, and then he comes out in the Vegas game and he's all over the place again. Like when you guys think of the way his games going to see another guy that is like is almost playing himself out of it. Yeah. I think he might have but like his work. Ethic is just insane. We actually were talking last night at the game my cousins who the hardest worker on the team is I didn't disagree. Agree with tanev. I said Larry because I really liked his work down. Yeah, but Tana for a smaller guy that he doesn't back down for anything. I mean remember against was it against the Canucks where you stirred up a bunch of shit and everything but he's broke he's playing against his brother or his brother wasn't even on the ice. Yeah, but tan at like really liked animals game. He's on Pacer was at like 22 23 goals that hard to believe like, what do you think? Well, I think he's a guy that you know, like he's cute. He's continuously getting better. Yeah. It's like he's visibly better than he was last year. I yeah, I know. I mean it's p is always been there but I think his paw control talk Benjamin has gotten much better than it was last year. You don't really a dump and chase guy, but now he has a confidence that he'll carry it over the Blue Line Omega play stop turn around turn like yeah, I don't play with Lowry to like that line. I think every time they're all nice one. Those guys are together. They're complimentary something perfectly. Yeah. Something's gonna happen. Does he get Lowry down low making room and tan isn't afraid to do the same himself yet? It's just an awesome and I think last year when they were with Joel are Mia. I think Paul Maurice it actually gone on record saying that they actually had better offensives own possession numbers on the top two lines. Oh, yeah, it's phenomenal way and whether it was 10, I have Lowry cop who can jump in there. Sometimes Army who was there right? I wonder how much of it and I've had to do it Zinger bring him here because I'm pretty sure was his brother drafted or some other free agent Chris. I believe he was a free agent got many played a year with the mat. Yeah and producer singer brought him. And yeah, he had gone on record saying that Chris when Brandon ended up signing her. He said that his brother played a huge part in tell him blues singer anything yet. I mean look at all the guys that he got for recruited read at. All, right? Yeah, Mason Raymond. Yeah, that's another yes. Yeah, the XO we told an awesome story about in the last episode a couple other ones, but I can't remember. But yeah, I mean, he just knows a Rippin final these guys and yeah, yeah, it's very good point. I wasn't I wasn't prepared to also for that but Zinger has a lot to do with our Drafting and and WHL especially being a wtoo guy. Yeah, like it's also on Chevy like look at these guys develop like if you would ever told me Lowry would be as good as he is. I was like, you're crazy. I always thought you'd be kind of a Line or kind of a mucker grinder, but she is but he's also fuck he can score two. If you look at these guys to they're bringing in like I believe Lowry was the Scholastic Player of the Year. Morrissey was the Scholastic Player of the Year in the WHL. So they're not just bringing in good athletes, but the bringing in good people. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. Mmm the pretty much does it for let's talk. Let's talk. Yeah, there's not really much much else to say other than we're first place in the central even less natural play today, which I don't think they didn't think they did. I think they got to go. Ames in hand on Nashville, so that's impressive moving on. I think we went a little longer but no I still get it's okay. I'll be happy now. I know he will be here. You'll be very nice work day Past Times. We're going to talk about a couple of trains trade trains. I'm sorry. I have a child and we're playing trains today, but we talked a little bit about some trades. So I said, like I said, I was in the building got to see Andrew cogley a nose final goals and Anaheim Duck. Yeah the former iron. Absolutely. Yeah the former Iron Man. He's on his way to Dallas for Devin Shore where I don't know a ton about I don't see this is kind of a nothing deal for me. Maybe it's just a shake-up on Anaheim side. I think it's stick up for both teams because I mean Dallas is really under produced. I think for the third year in a row all the controversy there around been like yeah. It's a good start. It's a disaster. They're not quite to extend of Anaheim, but I mean they got to do something just a minor shake-up. I wouldn't be surprised if bigger things come eventually if it keeps this way, but I mean down else that's two teams are really it's amazing reading the wrong way. It's amazing how the divisions of kind of flipped like the power of Steam down the Pacific and the central it's when ping Nashville and it's kind of all up for grabs like Colorado is going to slide right? We thought it was called arrive. I'll call the past. Yeah, I've been struggling with might have a chance to win the division. But now it's Minnesota Dallas could have it. You know, something else is back up to 500. Yeah with Jordan binnington playing. Yeah. Yeah. What's your opinion on gee Calvin picture on toes back as well? I'm just huge dish in that team big brain sees what was up with Petra. Angela was he's just hurt or was he's heading to his triplets because he had triplets in the offseason. That's a good trip. Well wonders the one of the most blue sock man. The captain's a little busy. Holy shit. I looked after twins when I was in Alberta, and it was like, whoa, I could imagine triplets. That's why I have even one when he says we're actually haven't mentioned this to anybody before actually expecting another baby in June. This would be like the official announcement, but it was kind of funny when she went for her ultrasound and she sent me the video and so when you take the ultrasound you can hear the heartbeat or whatever and so hear the heartbeat. It's like a weird sound and I'm just like that's just one heartbeat. It's not too. So thank God and so I had to do that yet. It's not in my near future. Jake Allen, uh, yeah. Yes. Yeah. He's I don't know kind of up and down. I will I got the beginning of the year. Oh actually drafted Jake Allen of my fantasy team and I was like, you know, like see if he's good. I was kind of Escape were then brought in all this new stuff. I was excited for the blues. I'm a big Rhino rally fan of yeah. It's absolutely unbelievable. Yeah, you know hard worker has some serious skill. Yeah. I feel bad for the guy almost. Yeah. I went from bad pretty bad. Colorado team to get even worse Buffalo team then went to probably a contender we would have said in the preseason in st. Louis and now they're bad and it's not him. We know that he's our sure. Yeah. It's right up there. Probably the top for it on the team. I was yeah my my opinion I would think this yeah for sure because Peter singles having an off here. He's leading the team in scoring. Yeah, I would a hundred percent agree with that. But yeah, I think like but Jake Allen has shown some signs and Brilliance as well, you know one night. He's not easy on the next night. He's he's like, so yeah and he'll have like two or three. I really like when he's bad he is. As a fast as a fantasy owner. Oh, holy smokes. So he will-he. I remember I went to the st. Louis game where he played here against was phenomenal. Was that the one he was was was it this I can or he started phenomenal? I can't remember. I don't know. I haven't even shot. I think the gate the game I'm talking about it was it was earlier this year. Yeah want to say isn't it was in October. I think it was in the first month, but really, you know, really really struggled. I mean, I think most of the teams were struggle coming to Winnipeg but yeah, Noah I agree that your girls, you know, really been up and down and I don't really know what the future has to hold for for Sam lose one of the weirdest rumors. I heard of the year was back when while I guess is playing pretty good right now was Martin Jones for him straight up. Oh, yeah, you mentioned that. Yeah be kind of a weird swap because I Jones has a great win loss record, but his see percentage at one point was like, yeah 890 or something. Yeah. It's fucking 9 now, but I'm sure if you asked anybody supposed. Yeah, I would that's why I mean, I thought I'm a big Martin Jones family solve my really big undrafted to impress them forward Calgary Hitmen second episode Memorial Cup and Brandon with Calgary. Yeah, usually pretty metal you risk it he wasn't but he was pretty much that team. But yeah big fan of they'll be a weird tree. It'll be a weird one. I become like wah, 40 below not quite the same extent. Holy smokes the a couple All-Stars there speaking of All Stars John. Yeah, I narrowly avoided death apparently. Did you hear about that? I did not hear you know, what happened was the 6-foot good thing. I wrote this down the six foot eight. All-Star apparently went to check the ice at the end of his dock on a lake in Michigan at his house and he fell right through the ice. He said he was submerged for around 1 minute before he was able to get his leg back out over the water and crawl back to shore. Yeah. Yeah right about that today. So I actually saw the video he liked because I guess he was home alone with the kids. The kids are up at the cabin and he was just going down to the ice. It's to clear it off to me drink, right and he took one step he falls in whenever and so on the video. He's like standing with his family and he's like, he's all dry at this point. It was a he's like, yeah, so about 20 minutes ago. This is where I fell and he shows the giant hole in the water big Ogre. Yeah, it's alright you think you'd be able six foot eight. You think you'd be able to touch? You know, you see I read it was like 20 feet at the end of his holy crap. Yeah something so he said he's yeah, it was about a minute and he's like showing his kids in there like that. So you fell there like commenting or whatever and his wife's like yeah. So this looks like where you stuck your leg up to get out. You see the big like footprint like the like Bigfoot but yeah something about whole but yeah, it sounded like he Bigfoot smaller than it just about lost John Scott's. Oh wow. Yeah. So I remember I remember we were in Chicago for hockey date America and he actually dressed against the Penguins. This was really big game. Oh, yeah, you went to yeah. It was a pretty it was a huge game. Like I think we dropped. Like 400 500 us. Each on tickets row 0 1 I'll get America was year after the Hawks won their first cup. So you guys are clapping Journey Anthony. I didn't as opinions van. I didn't take part in of the shenanigans that night and I did the other two nights, but John Scott played that can cause I can't remember the Penguins had many ways. We bought those tickets are gone or something. Well fuck or steidle Tom sestito and this is Chris and smooth criminal. But yeah, that's my first time seeing John's closet holy. Fuck who is this guy and hemorrhoids going with this story one of my rambling stories. Yeah. I can't remember. It's all good. I remember I don't remember anything there. So I think I think our listeners a pretty used to this country, but right. Yeah, I just wanted while the goalies are here. Just want to just want to give a little shout out to Antti Niemi who made some tea to saves last night. 52 say said, oh, yeah, he made a couple Breakaway saves death our phenomenal just super comfortable in that. He's the guy yeah save on the Breakaway. I'm just this isn't this is the Antti Niemi that we saw, you know years ago and then we saw it like a couple India 19. Yummy really? Even though as you remember last year like he was a Pittsburgh. I think he got with twice. Yeah, wait why some Swisher last year Pittsburgh? I like a 780 save percentage is not great. It was not good because it was like we put them in for a period there I go. Yeah. Okay, that was a bad idea and he went to Dallas noise, Florida, Florida. Oh, yeah. It was Florida again one thing. Written great. I'll go. Well then with the Montreal started, I remember started at Lee and then go a lot better and he's been pretty good for them this year 10. So shout out to her Antti Niemi. I had opened the antidote antique neomi horse. Yeah listener. Okay, so I think I'll skip the next one but the Calgary Flames they're announcing Thursday their plans for retiring Jarome. Iginla's number 12. Yeah. I know Rafters in the saddledome. Do you know the two numbers they have up there? The saddledome greed we talked about this earlier. We did we did talk money. So we're kind of cheating a little bit. One of them's a goalie. I'll give you a hint. It's a goalie. Is it well, I was inside one of them is it halt no, no. Mike Vernon think of pink mustache and Lanny McDonald McDonald. Yeah, you would think kippered be up there by now. But yeah, I don't what's taking so long and that every single team record. But yeah again lost when you think Flames, who do you think of Fred brathwaite for sure ruined Turek fuck not room direct, right? This isn't just a goalie Park. Yeah. Sorry seems that way. I'm totally cool with it, man. I love goalies growing up. I any chance I get to put on the gear at the old Teresa. Yeah, that's cool. I love it. I love going well. If you ever want to play beer league I both love that someone so said to me so the problem with me so the problem with me so growing up like we had our community club gear. And so I would always really obvious it I catch right and so there was never a right glove growing up everywhere. And so I would play it with his left glove. I eventually learned how to catch left. And so people with street hockey gear. I would catch listen I can do it. I can actually do it, but I've never actually tried like Like full gear with a deal in many ways and Kenton that both laugh. Well cam SAS my beer league lie, shoutout to Sasser. He's actually self pop your applicants. Come see us play with the Canucks it against a SAS conducts. Another SAS is Chris. I'd love to dress up in that. Oh Division two or three Highlander spare gladly soap is me honestly, I think I do. Okay. I remember that Highlander game. Oh, no you weren't you were you're at tryouts Henry like 22, you're a trout I think bees was that connects tryouts. I was in Nepal, I think and you were like, yeah my spare goalie gears like in the garage. They usually roll a caucus. Yeah, so I grabbed his gear and I wore his gear for for a playoff game at the hilum rocky so Rocky Playoff game you think we lost like six five and over time like I actually did. Okay. So yeah with a like glove right? I've never like we probably would have won if I had real gear but right glove so we can't have it all I guess she doesn't always go. So all right, we're kind of winding it. Yeah everyone or down there last couple points that Connor Garland thing. Okay, so Connor Garland on the coyotes you mention it when we saw him on the TV there you remember kind of what happened in the game. Yeah, so Sodom guy he got crushed rock from behind. It seemed in front of the net he was battling fell down and then it was it was as he was getting up. Yes. He's soaked the shot to the face. Yes, he did which went off his face in in. Oh my God. And so I think the craziest part is that he was he wasn't even looking at you know, the shot that was coming as in use, you know looking at the goal. You have dosed out of sideways. Yeah, and then out of nowhere boom. Yeah shots the side of the face. Oh my God. No, I can't imagine. And as you can imagine leaking blood and he's laying there in the crease and the crazy thing was is that they actually clock the shot. It was a 70 miles an hour shot. Oh breaking news Tim has a we got a train Town outs as Gary Bettman was see if this all dropped so so Ducks acquire. Yes in the Batman voice. I can't do it for this long. So the docs acquire who's the porn star? He was always texting always an or something. Yes. Yes. I think it was. Yeah, Michael del zotto the he stalked a porn star in case you know in exchange. Yeah, that's where she lives in exchange for. He's probably he's pretty she's probably the first one he text me. I'm sure he did. I'm sure that's part of the deal so go down and if she wants for former first-round pick and I'm pretty sure this will be his 31st team Luke Schenn and a draft pick. So when I saw Shannon when you flash the phone to me, I was like, oh man. The blues is unloaded Brayden Schenn. Holy shit. Whatever how mad he was after he tried staz me last year? Yeah, he raced as he was passed. Wow. I bet you he's on his way out to he's not having any word on what that pic might be. I don't know. Wow. Well, the good news is Lisa Ann. I don't know if she'd be happy about that. Yeah. I don't know. I'm happy for you know, he's getting another shot or you can move on and find another. Well, maybe Luke Shen's getting another shot elf. I guess. That's what you call him. So no funter. Alright, I'm back to the solution yakeen team and like Vancouver. I think it would be if I could if I was like an NHL player. I live in any City Vancouver Vancouver much all cheering amazing amazing place to live there cranks is out there right here. He's having a hell of a time. Yeah, he loves. He loves it really listen. So we go. Back to the the Garland thing the thing that stunned me the most was of course, he's leaking blood like that. He leaves the game. Just got shot in the temple with a 70 mile an hour Slap Shot. Like why didn't the concussion spotters white? How did they let him come back in the game? He did score later. So of course, he's the true warrior. He came back later in the third scored. Yeah, so he's ready for when he got hit. Hey, yeah, you got credit was a power play goal actually goes so he's too so, you know, he's going to be Arcanine Canada, Don Cherry's going to be going. Oh, yeah good Christian boy played in Moncton my kind of go wherever he's from monkeymod cats. Maybe I can't even see his name, right? Yeah the rats Gunnar Karl and what a beauty those aren't doing it. So why was he logged back to play? There's so many flaws in that whole thing. Like remember the other night when he'll about got the need of the head. Who was that against Mel Brooks complaining he's getting around a lot. So So yeah, the other night he got smoked. I can't remember who it was against I can track who's been years been so many hockey games in Winnipeg lately, but you actually smoke I thought for sure he is coming on his helmet went flying and nothing and then we go back to that Byfuglien incident. I was talking about earlier with Alexia. Kick. I don't think he was good to go. No, he misses a game after to because you can get but get his leg over the definitely wasn't a little Custom protocol and I really dance does not look at it with all these lawsuits coming and as we get to know more about concussions, which more and more every day. Yeah, it's not great. The news is coming up. It is good. Yeah, it's not great for the guys who have been affected. Right? I mean it's it's the players to right and you're like the the players want to be out there. They are contributing and is as much as the doctor they're going to say. Oh, you know, you probably shouldn't play the players gonna be like, I want to play like, I want to be all nice I can let me go out there. Exactly. So I've been in that position like it's hard to tell someone that you can't go out and play. I'm wondering how many of these guys that are suing not to throw shade on them or anything. Of course if they had no one the consequences of the time and stuff almost won a bet he would ask to go back out there and stuff like yeah, what's his name? Peluso? Not Anthony pugliese. So Mike police don't like loose old former. Devil, New Jersey. Definitely super hot, New Jersey Devils Big Time Lou laboratory right now. Whoever Ellen like I guarantee if you would ask them like you want to go back out. Yeah, they would melt there in a heartbeat. I'm gonna show ya. I wish you could go in a Time Warp and go back to that to really have like it's all hypothetical. Yeah for sure to have like a true judgment on it, but I would true opinion I guess but I'm pretty much does it for the random hits I suppose we'll take a break here and go into our fire and up with the birthdays. Just do it right now. Let's just do it. Okay. Was it January? 15 16, it's Jerry sick. It's technically Johnny. 17th. Yeah, I'll let you guys pick which do you guys want to do 17th or 16? So 16? Yeah 60 started with the podcast. He's all right, and you got a good format to a moose on this day. So oh good. Good. Good. All right. Okay, I gotta go through there wasn't a lot of big names. Hopefully your voice is traveling. Well through the beers here. It's a bit of a obstruction here January 16th, which is technically yesterday. Yeah the day we started Matt Duchene. Oh, yeah. He's not too shabby. He scored two goals to I think yeah, he's turning all boys in New York. I do my math again. 20 28 years old 1991's. Yeah 91. Yeah Young Buck and I think they just announced a new baby. So yeah, so that day so congrats math turning 43 years old today or I guess yesterday format tool moose. Daniel gonna know you remember him. No, no, okay. No, definitely not. It's gonna be one of the first things I could ever known. Sorry, Daddy Daddy boy. Wow. Sorry. I was just looking forward to the other birthdays. We got Jamie Landmark former Seattle Thunderbird and first-round pick. Yeah Phoenix La Toronto. He is turning pack your bags 30 years old. Wow feels like yes, he was drafted in the first round actually mention them early in their soul. Celebrating his 40th birthday from Carlisle Saskatchewan, bring more and more. Oh shit. Yeah. Wow, fuck former prisoner penguin. Seems Blues probably was a Tampa Bay to three years older than us. So he be turning 33 today, but Terry, no kalinin. Okay, I remember him. Yeah. I'm just don't names that. I know another one here turns 25 years old former pisser penguin first round. ER and World Junior maybe gold medalists Derek pouliot. Oh, yeah now make so he's D-Max. Yes. He is Turley winter Hawk. Yes. Yep. It's all mine in the world McGuire tenacity. He's got a big stick. He presents happy birthday. Seven years old is Kurt's our URL Ducks. Yeah. Wow turning 40 years old Jason Ward. Oh, okay and Savers me. Nope Montreal, New York, LA Kings and Tampa Bay lightning and just a young man here turning 27 years old. Jason Zucker sucked him up on my fantasy team. That's good a wild. Five Points is last four games the enemy so that does it for birthdays today. That's how much does it yesterday parents? Does it for the episode? I suppose any final words from the boys here. I've got really mad. No read dude. It's been a pleasure. Yeah. Thanks for having me. Yeah. Thanks a lot for coming. That's awesome. Yeah, it was really good. Yeah. This is might be our longest episode yet. No, not quite. We're still we're still doing okay, but we want all the listeners to know is to like share everything tell tell everybody you know about Let us with some feedback. Yeah, but you think it's too long tough luck. We Ramble On yeah, that's what we do Led Zeppelin one set exactly, right? Yeah Ramble On yeah. So yeah, that's it for us today. I think the important thing for you guys all to remember is to always shoot the hockey. This is tongues out. Peace out a town.

Following the Moose game Wednesday night , we were stoked to welcome Reid Pennington to the pod! Reid is a young local goaltender who is fresh off 4 years in the Manitoba Major Junior Hockey League, splitting his time between the Ft. Garry Twins and St. Boniface Riels. Pennington’s dream came true as he was summoned as the Emergency Backup for the AHL's Iowa Wild back in November. He goes into great detail about his experience, including getting the call from Jets Asst. GM 'Zinger' the day before, taking inthe full game day preparation with the squad, history lessons from Iowa's Head Coach as well as his in game experience. Reid even takes the time to reflect on some local goalie influences growing up. He opens up about his minor hockey days, including playing Triple-A hockey here in Winnipeg, as well as suiting up for his high school team. Our guest even sticks around to discuss the success of our Jets, and we hit the headlines around the league, including big John Scott's brush with death, and the retirement of Jarome Iginla's number 12 in Calgary. Timmy even breaks a trade live on air! Thanks to Reid for one hell of an interview, and we wish him good luck as he takes his talents across the Atlantic to The Netherlands on a school exchange program in just a few weeks!

Hello, my darling. I need to tell you about our sponsor anchor dot f m. Anchor is a podcast creation and distribution tool. And it gives you everything you need to record edit. Plus they'll distribute your podcast to all of the major channels including Spotify Apple podcasts and Google podcasts free of charge you can make money with no minimum listenership and it couldn't be easier. Download the anchor app or go to Anchor dot. F m-- to get started. Sweet dreams. Hello, my darling. How are you tonight? I have a fun little story for us. It's called Thumbelina. And it was written by Hans Christian Andersen. in 1835 There was once a woman who wished very much to have a little child, but she could not obtain her wish. At last she went to a ferry and said I should so very much like to have a little child. Can you tell me where I can find one? Oh that could be easily managed said the fairy. Here is a Barleycorn a different kind to those which grow in the farmer's fields. And which the chickens eat? Put it into a flower pot. And see what happens. Thank you said the woman. And she gave the fairy 12 Shillings, which was the price of the Barleycorn. Then she went home and landed it. And immediately there grew a large handsome flower. It looks something like a tulip in appearance, but with its leaves tightly closed as if it were still a bud. It is a beautiful flower said the woman and she kissed the red and gold colored leaves. And while she did so the flower opened and she could see that it was a real tulip. Within the flower upon the green velvet stamens set a very delicate and graceful little Maiden. She was scarcely half as long as a thumb. And she gave her the name of Thumbelina or tiny because she was so small. A walnut shell elegantly polished served for her cradle. Her bed was formed blue violet leaves with a rose leaf counterpane. He or she slept at night, but during the day she amused herself on a table where the woman had placed a plateful of water. Round this plate with a wreath of flowers with their stems in the water and upon it loaded a large tool a belief which served tiny as a boat here the little maid and sad and wrote herself from side to side with two oars made of white horse hair. It really was a very pretty sight. Penny could also sing so softly and sweetly but nothing like her singing and ever been heard before one night while she lay in her pretty bed a large ugly. What toad crept through her broken pane of glass in the window. And leaped right upon the table where tiny lay sleeping. What a pretty little wife this would make for my son said the toad. And she took up the walnut shell and which tiny lay asleep and jumped through the window with it into the garden. In the swampy margin of a broad stream and garden lives the toad with her son. He was even uglier than his mother and when he saw the pretty little maiden and her elegant bed, he could only cry croak croak croak. Don't speak so loud, or she will wake said the toad and then she might run away for she is as light as a swans down. We will place her on one of the water lilies out in the Stream. It will be like an island to her. She's so light and small and then she cannot escape and while she is away. We will make haste and prepare the stateroom under the marsh in which you are to live when you were married to her. Far out in the Stream growing number of water lilies with broad green leaves, which seemed to float on the top of the water. The largest of these leaves appeared farther off than the rest. And The Old Toad swam out to it with the walnut shell in which little tiny lay asleep. The tiny little creature will very early in the morning. And she began to cry bitterly when she found where she was 4 she could see nothing but water on every side of her large green leaf. And she had no way of reaching the land. Meanwhile The Old Toad was very busy under the marsh. Decking her room with Russia's and wild yellow flowers. She wanted to make it look pretty for her new daughter-in-law. Then she swam out with her ugly son to the leaf on which they had placed poor little tiny. She wanted to fetch the pretty bad that she might put it in the bridal chamber to be ready for her. The Old Toad bowed low to her in the water and she said here's my son. He will be your husband and you will live happily in the marsh by the Stream. Croak croak was all our son could say for himself. So the toad took up the elegant little bed and she swam away with it leaving tiny all alone on the Greenleaf. Tiny sat and wept she could not bear to think of living with The Old Toad and of having her ugly son for a husband. little fishes who swam about in the water beneath had seen the toad and heard what she said. So they lifted their heads above the water to look at the little Maiden as soon as they caught sight of her. They saw she was very pretty and it made them very sorry to think that she must go and live with the ugly toad. I know this must never be the agreed. So they assembled together in the water around the green stalk, which held the leaf on which the maiden stood. And they nodded away at the road with their teeth. Then the leaf floated down the stream carrying tiny far out far Out Of Reach of land. tiny sailed past many towns and the little birds and the bushes saw her and they sang What a beautiful creature. So the leaf swam away with her farther and farther until it brought her to a new land. A graceful little white butterfly constantly fluttered around her. And it lasted a lighted on her leave. Tiny pleased him and she was glad of it for now the toad could never reach her in the country through which she sailed was so beautiful and the sun Shone upon the Water until it glittered like solid gold. She took off her girdle and tied one end of it around the butterfly and the other end of the ribbon. She fastened to the leaf. Which now glided on much faster than ever taking the little tiny with it as she stood. Presently a large clock Schaefer flew by the moment. He caught sight of little tiny. He seized her round her delicate waist with his claws and flew with her into a tree. Greenlee floated away on the brook and the butterfly flew with it for he was fastened to it and could not get away. Oh how frightened little tiny felt when the cock Schaefer flew with her to the tree. But especially she was sorry for the beautiful white butterfly, but she had fastened to the leaf. For if he could not free himself, he would die of hunger. But the cock Schaefer did not trouble himself at all about the matter. He seated himself by her side little large green leaf. He gave her some honey from the flowers to eat and he told her she was very pretty not in the least like a cock shaver. after a time, all of the cock Schaefer's turned up their feelers and said She only has two legs. Look how ugly she is. She has no feelers at all said another. Her waist is very small. She looks like a human being I agree. She is ugly said all the lady cock Shavers, although tiny was very pretty. Then the cockchafer would run away with her believed all the others when they said she was ugly. I would have nothing more to say to her and he told her she might go wherever she like. Then he flew down from her with the tree and placed her on the Daisy and she wept at the thought. She was so ugly that even the cock Shavers would have nothing to say to her. And all the while she was really the loveliest creature that one could imagine and it's tender and delicate as a beautiful rose leaf. During the whole summer poor little tiny lived quite alone in the wide Forest. She won't for self a bed with blades and brass and hung it up under a broad leaf to protect herself from the rain. She sucked the honey from the flowers for food and drink the Dew from their leaves every morning. So passed away the summer then the Autumn then came the winter The Long Cold Winter. All the birds who had sung to her so sweetly flew away. And the trees and the flowers had withered. The large Cloverleaf under the shelter, which she lived was now rolled together shriveled up and nothing remained but a yellow withered stock. Tiny was dreadfully cold for her clothes were torn and she herself so frail and elegant that she very nearly froze to death. It began to snow then to and the snowflakes as they fell upon her like a whole shovelful falling on one of us for we are tall and she is only an inch. I Then she wrapped herself up in a dry Leaf, but it cracked in the middle and could not keep her warm and she shivered with cold. Near the wood and wood. She had been living like a cornfield. But the corn had been cut a long time. Nothing remains, but the bear dries double standing up out of the frozen ground. It was to her like struggling through a large wood. Oh how she shivered with the cold. She came at last to the door of field mouse who had a little Den under the corn stubble. There dwelt the field mouse in warmth and comfort with a whole room of corn a kitchen and a beautiful dining room. Poor little tiny stood before the door like a beggar girl and begged for a small piece of barley corn for she had been without a morsel to eat for two days. You poor little creatures at the field mouse. Please come into my room room and dine with me. The field mouse was very pleased with tiny. And so she said you are quite welcome to stay with me all winter if you like. But you must keep my room's clean and neat and tell me stories. For I shall like to hear them very much. And Tiny did all the feel Mouse asked her and found herself, very comfortable. We shall have a visitor soon said the field mouse one day. My neighbor pays me a visit once a week. He is better off than I am large rooms and wears a beautiful black velvet coat. If you could only have him for a husband you would be well provided for indeed, but he is blind and cannot see your beauty. So you must tell him some of your prettiest stories. But tiny did not feel at all interested in this neighbor for he was a mole. However, he came and paid a specific dressed in a black velvet cool, and he's very rich and learned and his house is 20 times larger than Minds at the field mouse. He was rich and learned no doubt, but you always spoke slightingly of the sun and the pretty flowers. Because he had never seen them. Tiny was obliged to sing to him ladybird. ladybird Fly Away Home she say And the mole fell in love with her because she had such a sweet voice. But he said nothing yet for he was very cautious. The short time before the mole had died of a long passage under the Earth which led from the dwelling of the field mouse to his own. and he or she had permission to walk with tiny whenever she like But he warned them not to be alarmed at the sight of a dead bird which lay in the passage. It was a perfect bird with a beak and feathers and could not have been dead long. It was just lying there where the mole had made his Passage. The mole took a piece of phosphorus Atwood in his mouth and it glittered like fire in the dark. And then he went before them to light them through the long dark Passage. When it came to the spot where lay the dead bird the mole pushed his broad nose through the ceiling the Earth gave way so there was a large hole. And the daylight shown into the passage in the middle of the floor Leia dead swallow his beautiful Wings pulled close to his side's. His feet in his head drawn up under his feathers. The poor bird evidently died of the cold it made little tiny very sad to see it. All the summer they had song and twittered for her so beautifully. But the mole pushed it aside with his crooked legs and said he will sing no more now how miserable it must be to be born a little bird. I am thankful that none of my children will ever be birds for they can do nothing but cry and tweet. And always die of hunger in the winter. Yes, you may well say that as a clever man exclaimed the field mouse. What is the use of his twittering for when winter comes he must either starve or be frozen to death still birds are very high bred. Tiny said nothing, but when the two others had turned their backs on the bird. She stooped down and stroke decide the soft feathers which covered the head. And she kissed his eyelids closed. perhaps this was the one who sang to me so sweetly in the Summer She said And how much pleasure you gave me you dear pretty bird. The mole now stopped the hole through which the daylight shown and then accompanied tiny home. But during the night tiny could not sleep. So she got out of bed and move large beautiful carpet of a Then she carried this to the dead bird and spread it over him. Along with some of the down from the flowers, but she had found in the field mouse is room. It was as soft as wool. That she spread some of it on each side of the bird so that he might lie warmly in the cold Earth. Farewell you pretty little bird. She said farewell Thank you for your delightful singing during the summer. When all the trees are green and the warm sun Shone upon us. Then she laid her head on the birds breasts. But she was alarmed immediately for it seemed as if something inside the dead bird some thumped. It was the birds heart. He was not really dead only be numbed with the cold and the warmth and restored him to life. In Autumn, all the swallows fly away it warm countries, but if one happens to linger the cold seizes it it becomes Frozen and falls down as if dead. It will remain their word fill and the still covers it. Tiny trembled very much. She was quite frightened. For the bird was large a great deal larger than herself as she was only an inch. I But she took courage lay the wall more thickly over the bars wallow and then took a leave which she had used for her own counterpane and laid it over the head of the bar bird. The next morning she against all out to see him. He was alive but very weak he can only open his eyes for a moment to look at tiny. Who stood by holding a piece of decayed wood in her hand for she had no other lantern? Thank you. Pretty little Maiden said the sick swallow. I have been so nicely warmed I shall soon regain my strength and be able to fly about again in the warm, sunshine. Oh said she it is cold out of doors. Now it snows and freezes. Stay in your warm bed, and I will take care of you. Then she brought the swallow some water in a flower leaf and after he had drunk his fill. He told her that he had wounded one of his wings in a thorn bush, and he could not fly as fast as the others and by now they were so far away on their journey to a warm country. Then at last he had fallen to the Earth and he could remember no more nor how he came to be what she found him. the whole winter the swallow remained Underground tiny nursed him with care and love neither of the Moon nor the field mouse knew anything about it for they did not like swallows. Very soon. The springtime came in the sun warmed the Earth. Then the swallow bade farewell to Tiny and she opened the hole in the ceiling which the mole had made. The sun Shone in upon them so beautifully that the swallow asked her if she would go with him. She could sit on his back. He said and he would fly away with her to the green ones. But tiny knew it would make the field mouse very grieved if she left her in that matter. So she said no I cannot. There will then there will you good and pretty Maiden so this will know. And he flew out into the sunshine. Tiny looked after him and the tears Rose in her eyes. She had grown very fond of the swallow. Tweet tweet tiny saying the bird as he flew out into the green ones and Tiny felt very sad. She was not allowed to go into the warm sunshine. The corn which had been sold in the field over the house of the field mouse had grown up. So hide the air and formed a thick wood that tiny would become lost. You are going to be married. Tiny said the field mouse. My neighbor has asked for you. What good fortune for poor child like you now we will prepare your wedding clothes. They must be both Woolen and linen. Nothing must be wanting when you are the most wife. Tiny had to turn the spindle in the field mouse hired for spiders. They were there to weave day and night. Every evening the mole visited her and was continually speaking of the time when the summer would be over. Then he would keep his wedding day with tiny. But now the heat of the sun was so great that it burned the Earth and it made it quite hard like Stone. As soon as the summer was over the wedding would take place. But tiny was not at all pleased. She did not even like the tiresome mole. Every morning when the sun rose and every evening when it went down she would creep out the door and as the wind blew aside the ears of corn so that she could see them blue sky, she thought how beautiful and bright it seemed out there and wish so much to see her dear swallow friend again. But he never returned. For by this time he had flown away into the lovely Green Forest. When autumn arrived tiny had her outfit quite ready and the field mouse said to her in four weeks The wedding will take place. And then tiny wept and she told the fieldmouse that she could not marry the disagreeable mole. nonsense replied to feel Mouse Now don't be obstinate. Alright, shall bite you with my white teeth. He is a very handsome more. The queen herself does not even wear beautiful velvets and first like is his kitchen and sellers are quite full you are to be very thankful for such a good fortune. So the wedding day was fixed on which the mole was to fetch tiny away to live with him. Deep under the Earth but never again to see the warm sun because he did not like it. The poor child was very unhappy at the thought of saying farewell to the Sun. And as the field mouse had given her permission to stand at the door. She went to look at it once more. Farewell bright Sun. She said she stretched her arm out towards it and then she walked a short distance from the house for the corn had been cut and only the dry stubble remained in the fields. farewell Farewell she repeated Twining her arm around a little red flower that car just by her side. Read the little swallow from me if you should see him again. Tweet tweet sounded over her head suddenly. She looked up and there was a swallow himself flying close by. as soon as he spied tiny he was delighted and then she told him how unwilling she felt to marry the ugly mole and to live always beneath the Earth and never to see the bright Sun anymore and as she told him she wept Cold winter is coming said the swallow and I'm going to fly away into a warmer country. Will you go with me? You can sit on my back and fasten yourself on a sash. Then we can fly away from the ugly mole and his gloomy rooms. Far away over the mountains until warmer country where the sun shines more brightly far more brightly than a year. Where it is always Summer and the flowers bloomed greater Beauty. Fly now with me my dear tiny. You saved my life when I lay Frozen and that dark Passage. Let me save yours now. Yes, I will go with you said Tiny. And she seated herself on the birds back with her feet outstretched on his wings and she died her girdle to one of his strongest feathers. And the swallow Rose into the air and flew over forest and oversee. high above the highest mountains covered with eternal snow tiny would have been frozen in the colder, but she crept under the birds won't feathers keeping her head uncovered. So she might admire the beautiful lands over which they passed. At length, they reached the warm country where the sun Shone brightly and the sky seemed so much higher above the Earth. Care on the hedges and by the wayside group purple green white grapes lemons and oranges hung from trees in the woods and the air was fragrant with myrtles and orange blossoms. Beautiful children ran along the country lanes playing with large. Happy butterflies And as a swallow farther and farther every place appeared stillborn lovely. At last they came to a Blue Lake and by the side of it shaded by trees of the deepest green. Stood a palace of dazzling White marble built in the olden times. Vines clustered round its lofty pillars and at the top were many swallows nests and one of these was the home of the swallow who carried tiny This is my house said the swallow, but it would not do for you to live there. You would not be comfortable. You must choose one for yourself. One of those lovely flowers and I will put you down on it, and then you shall have everything you wish to make you happy. That will be delightful. She said and classed her little hands and joy. A large marble pillar lay on the ground which in Falling had broken into 3 pieces between these pieces grew the most beautiful large white flowers. So the swallow flew down with tiny and placed her on one of the broad leaves. But how surprised she was to see in the middle of the flower the tiny little man as white and transparent as if he had made of crystal. He had a gold crown on his head and delicate Wings on his shoulders and was not much larger than tiny herself. It was the angel of the flower for a tiny man and a tiny woman dwell in every flower. And this was the king of them all. Oh how beautiful he is whispered tiny to the swallow Little Prince. Was it first quite frightened by the part who is like a giant compared to such a delicate little creature as himself. But when he saw a tiny he was delighted and he thought her the prettiest little Maiden he had ever seen. He took the Gold Crown from his head and placed it on hers asked her name and if she would be his wife and queen over all of the flowers. This certainly was a very different sort of husband to the son of a toad or a mole even with black velvet. And fur, so she said yes immediately to the handsome prince. Then all the flowers opened and out of each came a little lady or a tiny Lord or so pretty that it was quite a pleasure to look at them. Each of them brought tiny and present but the best gift was a pair of beautiful wings. Which had belonged to a large white fly and they fastened them to Tiny shoulders so that she might fly from flower to flower. Then there was much rejoicing in the little swallow setup of them in his nest. Was asked to sing a wedding song. Which he did as well as he could but in his heart he felt sad for he was very fond of tiny and would like never depart from her again. You must not be called tiny anymore. So the spirit of the flowers to her. It is an ugly name and you are so very pretty. We'll call you Maya. Farewell then said the swallow with a heavy heart. He left the warm country to fly back to Denmark there. He had a nest over the window of a house in which 12 the writer of fairy tales. the swallows saying tweet tweet and from his song Kim the whole story the end have sweet and creepy dreams my darling.

 Soft spoken ASMR reading of the classic fairy tale, Thumbelina, by Hans Christian Andersen, 1835. Enjoy with headphones. The woman is gifted with the beautiful Thumbelina, who she names Tiny, but Tiny is immediately taken from her home by a toad with an ugly son. The toad wants Thumbelina to marry her son and devises a plan to ensure she can never escape. Eventually, she is saved by a bird and a field mouse, and betrothed to a neighbor mole. Thumbelina is desperate for a different ending and, after saving the life of a frozen swallow, is taken to an enchanting land with angels and fairies living within the flowers. The story does have a moral - that, regardless of the obstacles in our lives, the best path is the one taken through kindness and honesty. Like Thumbelina, if we care for those around us and are fair and kind, we too will be rewarded with happy endings. #softspokenasmr #whisperasmr #thumbelina #hanschristianandersen #brothersgrimm #grimmfairytales --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast.

Hello, I'm filling my career and I'm at McKinley and welcome to day 7 of the Harvey Weinstein trial unfiltered the daily podcast where we reenact verbatim testimony from The Trial of Harvey Weinstein. So an interesting day to day film. Yes the prosecution brought a couple of witnesses who they thought would bolster the allegations we heard yesterday of taralli wolf and Don Dunning. They both alleged they were sexually assaulted by Weinstein Don done in also claimed. She was literally ripped by Weinstein. I don't think the prosecution Got what they were hoping for me their witness today that I think they just didn't deliver what what they really know what they were hoping for. Yeah. So interestingly Weinstein has not been charged with assaulting either of the women. They are what's known as these molineux Witnesses who are there to show evidence of Prior bad acts and predators predatory assault the jury has to decide whether he sexually assaulted two women raping one of them for other women are testifying to attack them including taralli wolf and Don donning their one of these for other. Urban and the jury is just listening to these kinds but is actually not deciding on his guilt or innocence that they are all part of this predatory charge. So it's a it's a it's a strange situation. Yeah, we're going to try think we're going to spend some more time talking about that will and not today, but but I think it's an interesting legal and situation. I mean funny I talk to somebody about it today and they were basically saying it's you know, when you think about it if you were in charge with murder and you were in a court, they won't allow it. Anything we brought in about, you know, prior prior assaults that you might have had. You know, what because it would Prejudice Prejudice the jury. However, that seems to have been suspended in this case, but we're going to we're going to speak probably to a legal expert on that. But yes, I think it is an interesting one and I think that actually this mono look ruled looks like it goes back to the early part of the 1900s. So but we're going to dig into that. So what first today we heard from Lincoln Davies the former fiance of aspiring actress Dawn darling now Don dreams at Harvey Weinstein put his / skirt violently in a hotel suite in SoHo New York in 2004 shortly after that. She agreed to meet him at the Intercontinental Hotel in Manhattan to discuss some film projects. It was there he made an Indecent Proposal he did. Yes. Yes. He said he would give her three contracts for three different movies if she agreed to a threesome with him and his assistant Bonnie I hadn't realized was actually so do you know this tree? It's like yeah. It's at three contracts for three movies if she just agreed to a threesome with with his assistant Bonnie, so Here Lincoln Davies described meeting Harvey Weinstein. And the A-list party is he and Don Dona are invited and we should point out that Lincoln is Australian. So let's hear Lincoln Davies described meeting Harvey Weinstein and the airless parties. He and Don donning were invited to he's been questioned by assistant District Attorney Megan Hast. These are actors playing these people and it's verbatim testimony. This is exactly as was said in the courtroom. Do you know somebody named Harvey Weinstein know I was introduced to him before but at a Premiere and stuff, but I don't really know him outside of that introduction who introduced you to him Dawn. When were you introduced to him? It was at a movie premiere for one of his movies. I don't recollect what that actual movie was. How did you end up at that movie premiere via his invitation? I was the plus 1/3 plus 1/4 who Dawn were you aware of Don's relationship with Harvey Weinstein at that time? We've been to a couple of things we had been to like the producers and stuff. He got us tickets to or got her tickets to that was one thing outside of that there was a party, but I do not remember going but definitely One time with the producers that was an event that we were invitees of his to was Don pursuing acting at that time. Yes, so it was quite the exciting life for Miss donning who was an aspiring actress and as Mr. Davies was later to say she was very excited that she was so close to such a major movie producer such as Harvey Weinstein. However, that all changed one evening after Dawn returned from a meeting where she was supposed to sign a contract with mr. Weinstein. Let's Here Lincoln Davies described how he remembered the evening and we should say that although they were fiancé's at the time. They're no longer together having split up I think in 2008 2009. Alright, so they were having quite the exciting life in New York back. Then there were young and in love and in fact it Miss darling give a very full description of her life with especially when she met Harvey Weinstein. She was going to all the top parties as she said she got all the hottest tickets and he was making all the hottest movies. Yeah, but but actually time has certainly been kinder to miss donning looks wise and courageous. Wise and Dunning now 40 goes back and forth as she says between California and New York. She works as a costume and production designer helping brands with their creative Direction while he told the court that he lives in Los Angeles and overseas restaurants, which I'm not sure what that means. He didn't. Mr. DeVries. No didn't Lincoln didn't go into any details what overseeing restaurants means whether it means he's overseen for McDonald's or maybe he's overseen a lustrum, but definitely got the impression that her life had. Had gone in a better Direction. So it was an exciting life and as he said, you know, she was an aspiring actress and she was really happy and excited about this interconnection with use her proximity to Harvey Weinstein, but that all changed according to mr. Davies - well that'll change and one evening after Darwin returned from a meeting where she was supposed to sign a contract with mr. Weinstein. Let's hear now Lincoln Davies describe how we remembered that evening and we should say that although they were fiance's back at that time and they're no longer. They're no longer together. We split up and I think 2008 2009. Yeah. So remember this is actors re reading verbatim testimony. People are written on told us how much they love this podcast how really bring this it's the best way of finding out what's going on in the courtroom. So please if you liked it give us a rating on podcasts. It's very important. It makes other people look at the at the podcast that drives listeners. It's one way of making sure this story gets around the world. So please give it a Waiting it's a huge help. So let's write a comment and the comment we read all the comments. So let's let's hear this exchange now between Megan Hast and Lincoln Davies are both what happened on that and that fateful evening. During the time you were living with Don in that 2004. Do you recall a night Don returned home from a meeting with Harvey Weinstein? Yes, when you use the word dressing-gown, can you describe what you mean by that? Well, like a bathrobe. Can you describe Don's effect and demeanor when she came home from that meeting. She was pretty shocked upset angry like kind of overall polled. I would say And did she show any sort of physical emotion? Yeah, like it was an arc of emotion that was with the anger and stuff like that. But eventually you just kind of like probably spoke about it for half an hour. And at that meeting did she tell you that Harvey Weinstein had met her at the door of a hotel room in a dressing gown? Yes. Do you recall about how she was physically how she was Was physically at that time she ended up crying. After that time, did you go to any further Weinstein Company events? Yeah. Did you ever see the defendant again? No. Sorry. Did you ever see Harvey Weinstein again? No again strong enough testimony, you know for a man off but I'm backing up some of what dawned on me had said in her testimony yesterday, but Lincoln Davies is testimony had a few fatal weakness and in that he couldn't remember the year or even the time of the year. That these events happened and he revealed, you know, even more importantly he revealed. She had not told them about a very serious sexual assault that she had said had occurred before this meeting where she alleges Harvey Weinstein put his hand up her skirt violently in a hotel suite and Soho New York. So let's hear Damon sure onus Weinstein's variable defense lawyer examine the weaknesses and mr. Davies evidence and as you here, but yeah Mr. D. This is kind of funny actually because I mr. Turtle jumped in a very relaxed attitude to his questioner and he sort of caught I think mr. Stroh has somewhat obvious art because there's a lot of tension on the courtroom and it was a lot of animosity between the witnesses and the the lawyers and this was sort of caught. Mr. Charan us off guard. So let's hear and it also this questioning brought out something mrs. Dunham is done in the very strong personality and how she's a take-no-prisoners. Altitude which contradicts the prosecution's strategy and theory about this gear. So let's hear that exchange. Good morning. Mr. Davies. How are you? Mate? I'm all right. How are you? Good. Thanks. When did you meet Don Dunning? Like light very light. Mm Ellie 2001. I believe that you testified to an evening when Miss Dunning came home and she was upset. Yes about how long had you been dating her from the time you I first met her until the time she came home upset three full years. Did you live with her? Yes. When did you move in with Miss Dunning pretty quick probably within like maybe under a year and obviously you moved in with her. She was your girlfriend. You were very close with her. Yes. Strong-willed person Miss Dunning I would say so yeah you say so she does not take a lot of Guff depends on who we just coming from. Okay fair enough strong-willed with Of course and Miss Dunning worked at p.m. And she also wanted to be an actress. You have to say yes. Randy has to take this down. That was an aspiration of Miss Dunning. Yes. Through the time that you met Don done and you learned at some point she became acquainted with Harvey Weinstein. Correct at that time is Dunning was excited about the prospect of having a connection to a well-known producer. Isn't that fair to say? Yes, you learned over time that Miss Dunning new. Mr. Weinstein. She would go to Miramax and do screen tests a contra Cole actually going to any screen tests. Possibly. She could have gone to do screen test at Miramax pull. Bleep. Yeah, and you yourself went to some event sponsored by mr. Weinstein, correct? Yes. You got tickets to go see the producers. Do you remember if mr. Weinstein was there I shook his hand that day. Yeah, and I think you also testified maybe you didn't did you go to Whoopi Goldberg's birthday with mr. Weinstein and Dawn keynote. Remember that and you told the members of the jury a night in 2004 When Miss Dunning came home she was Upset yes, and she told you as what the state said there was an incident where mr. Weinstein opened the door in a dressing gown or bathrobe. Yes. Do you remember talking to miss Dunning before she went to that meeting with mr. Weinstein a bit? What about the fact that she was going there to potentially sign contracts? Yeah. I did was she excited about it. Of course, she was excited about it because it was her dream to become an actress fair to say and she knew she was going to meet with Harvey Weinstein. Yes. She did not ask you to come with her for her protection. No didn't have or showed you any fear about the fact that she was going to meet with Harvey Weinstein. Did she know? She did not seem upset about the fact that she was going to meet with Harvey Weinstein. Yeah, didn't tell you mr. Weinstein ever been inappropriate to her before correct. In fact when Miss Dunning went to this meeting where she came back earlier, her attitude was completely different later, right? Yes. She was very excited before she went. Yes. Well, I would not say very excited. She was yeah looking forward to it looking forward to it because this may be the culmination of her dream to be in a movie, right? As her boyfriend were you her fiance at that point? No as her boyfriend. She confided things and you he is trusted you I hope so you trusted her. Yes. Your relationship with Miss Dunning was the type of relationship where she would tell you things. Correct, correct. So I want to go back again for one second to before that point when she went to mr. Weinstein Hotel excited. Yeah, you did not detect anything wrong with Miss Dunning before she went there. Correct. Nothing wrong with her now and Miss Dunning never told you that before maybe a few weeks before going to that meeting where she was going to sign a contract that mr. Weinstein had put his hand up her skirt. She know she never told me that she never told you she was afraid of Harvey Weinstein. Did she know? She never told you she was sexually assaulted by Harvey Weinstein before she went to sign those contracts. Did she correct? She was excited to go to the hotel that day. Yes when she came home. It is your testimony. She was upset, right? Yes. Now, when did you and Miss Dunning? Stop dating 2009. Maybe you are aware Miss Dunning made some movies after that time. She came home from mr. Weinstein, right? Yeah. Are you still friendly with Miss Dunning? I mean we speak cordially and stuff like that, but I'm not constantly in contact with it. But the fact you at one point were in a significant relationship with her you at least know she made a few movies after that night where she came home upset, right? I don't know that a few movies. I would say the only one I recall is was one movie. What movie was that? I have no idea what it was cold. Thank you one question. Do you know if she got paid for that movie? She did not get paid. Again, not the strongest witness for the prosecution. No confirming the aftermath of something that actually isn't a crime an Indecent Proposal is not a crime and admitting that his girlfriend had failed to tell him about an actual crime by the same person earlier than this incident. In fact, it was a quite a bit of legal argument whether mr. Davies should have given evidence at all, you know this whole Mall new rule, you know, they were saying the mall in the witness is bad enough, but then vague witness to back up among the witness is really prejudicial, but he was allowed to give evidence but not sure he did a lot of harm to mr. Weinstein. So then we heard from Maurizio Ferrigno. Who was the manager of cipriani's Upstairs Lounge. This is this Lounge we talked about it yesterday is this very exclusive part of the Cipriani restaurant in downtown UPS, you know, where where you you know, I think it's all a members-only sort of situation. I think it's basically that the owners brownies, you know has sort of special guests that get to Up there and stuff. So it's all very exclusive and at 11 a.m. The fire escape comes down the metal fire. Oh, yeah, they showed that swap the metal fire escape. It's all very exclusive and very very underground, you know, so mr. Again to just remember then so, mr. Ferrigno that we're going to hear from isn't, you know, he's talking about taralli wolf another one of Harvey Weinstein's alleged victims. She was a cocktail waitress in the venue, and she said she would later upstairs by Weinstein to a darkened Terrace strewn with building materials. Where she alleges he started masturbating in front of her she says it was obvious what he's doing by the movement of the shirt in the end. Mr. Ferrigno a little to the story in my opinion and his description of his wolves personality showing her to be strong will dented again dented the prosecution's theory that she was easily bullied and in one of these easily manipulated victims of Weinstein's malevolent. So let's hear from mr. Ferrigno. He's been questioned by assistant District Attorney Megan Hast. Let's hear that Good morning. Where are you? Currently living? I'm living on the upper west side in the Manhattan. What are you do for a living? I'm a driver for a union. Where were you born and raised? I was born in Italy in a town called Genoa. Did there come a time that you moved to New York City? Yes, I did around how old were you I was 22 years old. Did you know somebody named Giuseppe Cipriani? Yes, I do. How do you know him? It was working for him during what time period were you working for him between 1996 and 2009. What did you do for mr. Cipriani? I was a doorman at the restaurant called downtown directing your attention to 2004 and 2005 were those some of the years you were working for him. Yes. I was what were you doing for him during that period 2004 to 2005 at the time. I was the manager of the cheap Rihanna Upstairs Lounge. Where was that Upstairs Lounge located? It was located above the chip Rihanna downtown. The restaurant which was 376 West Broadway between broom and spring. Can you just describe the lounge Lounge was an upscale private club mostly for mr. Jeopardy and then his friends and we had membership and it was very upscale in the beginning. We had a lot of celebrities coming. It was a place of very exclusive. What were your duties and responsibilities. There was a managing the front of the floor. And the front of the house meaning I was a managing the restaurant floor and the staff and making sure the members the the customers were happy. Was there something called an owner's table in the lounge? Yes. Can you just describe what that was? The understable was a table where the friends of the owner or the owner or guest of the friends of the owner? They would come and see it. It was the only table facing the entire Club. Do you know somebody named taralli wolf? Yes, I do ma'am. How do you know taralli? She was one of the cocktail waitresses working at the club? And how long did you work with taralli? I believe she came looking for a job and she started working since 2006 2006. Do you recall specifically the time period she worked with you. I think it was between 2006 and 2008 how long Did she work with you? I'm not sure. Can you describe trolley? Yes, she was a tall model like girl very she was a very attractive and very eager to work and she fit the profile for working as a cocktail waitress. I'm going to show you what is in evidence as people's exhibit 12. Do you recognize people's exhibit 12? Yes who is in that photograph to rally on the left? And then it is me. Can you describe her personality or she was a very bubbly? Very shoe. She was a very nice person. Do you know someone named Harvey Weinstein? Yes, I do. How do you know Harvey Weinstein? He was a friend of the owner. Did he come to The Upstairs Lounge on occasion? He would where would he sit usually will cheaply on it is stable. Did you ever see Harvey Weinstein with taralli? Yes, can you describe what you recall about that? I was going from the restaurant to the club and I remember seeing them on the left side having a conversation going up stairs going up the stairs. Yes. And do you recall who was in front going up the stairs? I don't remember. Did you look at Trolley as she was going up the stairs it briefly. Do you recall what her demeanor was like, I don't I didn't. see any specific demeanor What did you do? I went back to the club because I have the ear piece and I have a radio on me all the time and they would call me back and forth downstairs. So I am always on the Move. Do you recall seeing taralli or Harvey Weinstein return to the club? I remember yes. Did you have any conversation with taralli? No, I didn't. You know, I Brief Encounter on the stairs and did of the problem with this is that from trolleys wolves ever. And the day before and actually even from the prosecutors opening statement, there was this almost cinematic scene where she was been laid off to her Doom by this evil man, and that the manager looked up and they locked eyes and then the manager just come up with that close close the door close the door almost like the way it was the way it appeared to be told that story. It almost sounded like those something kind of almost conspiratorial the kind of you know that they so it's a classic movie scene, right? You catch someone's eyes as your you know in serious trouble and they look at you and realize and then they closed the door and the first rule of Journalism that I've learned over 25 years. Whatever is if it sounds like a movie that people people who lie they often lie and make it so make it more dramatic or try to make a dramatic scene. Yes, they make it like a movie because that's what they that's what they know. They've seen the movie. So there are very often if you hear someone one of those hoax hate crimes if it's ever like a movie. Then you know that they made it up. But then so then he give evidence today and in no way confirmed all this drama, right? He just says he saw him go upstairs and that's it. And that was it. He said he doesn't remember when it happened. He can't even remember the year and he didn't notice any change in her demeanor either when she came back down. So we went from this limited evidence of to mr. Ferrigno being cross-examined by Damon shrillness for Harvey Weinstein and mr. Ferrigno was unable to tell the year or even the time of the year when he saw this, you know her go up the stairs and all of that. At and mr. Charan is hinted that the testimony may have been prompted by an animosity between his him and his old employers or or there was and worse. They there was a suggestion that perhaps that this memory had become more Crystal because he's been coached by the prosecution. So we'll hear that again that piece of evidence and as you'll notice. Mr. Mauricio frig know is them a foreign gentleman. Yes, and that's had a strong quite a strong act. Yes. He's been living in Manhattan over and over 40 years and boy you have not. His axe, and we know that if we know plenty of Irish people who are like that exactly some of them sitting around this table and they die. So just wanted to say if you like what we do here. We're we need help we need we're asking for your funding and your help and it's tax-deductible. We have it. We have a 501 c 3 and C unreported story Society.com so-called report that story society-dot- complex, but you can thank you. So that's here Damon shrillness question more wheat CEO Ferrigno about his What he remembers aren't that dramatic supposedly dramatic evening. Mr. Ferrigno. Were you fired from cipriani's? I beg your pardon. Were you fired from cipriani's? I was let go. Why were you let go they hired a new manager? No management, they did renovation and the new management came in. No other reason a friend of the owner. No accusations were made against you know, okay. Now you told the members of the jury that Miss Wolfe started working at cipriani's in 2006, right? I think yes until 2008 I believe so. So and how long did you work at cipriani's 404 since we opened the club in 2003 from 2003 to 2009. He talked about the upstairs portion of cipriani's was it also known as the place where people would go to hook up at cipriani's? No, sir. No, no. No, sir. Now you testified that you remember one incident where mr. Weinstein and Miss wolf went up a flight of stairs, right? Excuse me. They went upstairs. Yes. When was that? I don't remember a specific period what year was it? I don't know the exact time. What time of year was it? Was it summer was it was it fall? I don't recall. What was mr. Weinstein wearing a suit. Are you guessing or are you saying it was a suit I am saying it usually a suit usually a suit do you remember? Specifically if he was wearing a suit the day you saw him walk up the stairs with Miss Wolfe. No, sir. What was Miss wolf wearing cocktail waitress attire. Would she wear that all the time when she worked there? That's correct. And what were you doing at the time when you saw mr. Weinstein and Miss Wolfe walk up the flight of stairs. I was going to the restaurant throughout you have to go from the from the restaurant you go inside of the club and there was nothing unusual about that that struck you in your mind not at the time, okay. And yet fifteen years later you talk to the DA in this case, right? Yes, sir. Okay, and you hadn't talked to anybody about that going up the stairs before the da reached out to you in November of last year, right? That's correct. Okay and 15 years later. You remember that you saw mr. Weinstein and Miss Wolfe walk up the stairs. Is that what you were telling this jury? Yes. Okay, and when you sat down to talk with the DA they told you that they wanted to ask you questions about Miss. Wolf didn't they? Yes, they told you that they wanted to ask you about questions with Miss wolf and mr. Weinstein, right? That's correct. And they told you that Miss wolf had they had said that she went upstairs with mr. Weinstein didn't they? Yes, and it was then was it these prosecutors here? That's correct. It was when these prosecutors here told you that Miss wolf had said she was upstairs with mr. Weinstein that you remembered you saw it. Eight. Yes. Mr. Ferrigno you met with the prosecutors in November of 2019. That's correct. When you met with them, they told you that Miss Wolfe was making an allegation that her and mr. Weinstein went upstairs at cipriani's. Correct? Yes. It was after they told you that that you said oh, I remember seeing that happen. Correct? Yes only did they tell you anything else about what Miss Wolfe said happen when they were upstairs. No, sir, and isn't it true that when you first talked to them in November of 2019? You didn't remember that isn't that true? No, they had to jog your memory didn't they? Didn't they know so you just 15 years after the fact remembered this random walk up a flight of stairs, right? It wasn't unusual to people to have a conversation will go up there. I am not asking you about what's your usual or unusual? You just testified to the jury you specifically remember? Mr. Weinstein walking up a flight of stairs with Miss wolf, correct, correct. Do you even remember that? Yes, and you remembered of that after they told you miss Wolfe was making that allegation, correct? Yes, so then mr. Ferrigno was I asked about Miss Wolfe personality and you know this brings up again this recurring sort of theme through the trial, you know part of the prosecution strategy is that mr. Weinstein was a predator preying on the vulnerable. And in fact, he's actually charged with being a sexual predator a charge that could land him in prison for the rest of his life. Well, that's not really how mr. Ferrigno remembers Miss Wolfe. She was well capable apparently of standing up for herself and others so Going to hear from mr. Ferrigno right now describe to damage rollers how she lost her job actually at the club for standing up for others. Let's hear that now. And you talked about Miz wolf being a sweet person, right? Yes. Miss Wolfe was fired from cipriani's, correct. I believe she was working at ship Rihanna's at some point. She was fired though, right? She was taken off the schedule. Do you remember getting into an argument with Ms. Wolf? Because she tried to intervene on behalf of one of her friends who had gotten into a fight at cipriani's. Yes and her friend got into a fight at cipriani's and Miz wolf wouldn't stand for it. Got upset that's correct. And she confronted you didn't she yes. She wasn't a Wallflower. Well, she she wasn't someone who wouldn't stick up for herself. She was upset. Okay, and when she was upset, she said something to you. Yes. She said she wasn't going to stand for that didn't she? Yes and her friend got into a fight at Cipriani and Miss wolf wouldn't stand for it. She got upset. Yes. She spoke up about it, didn't she she did yes, and she had no problem speaking up to you about About something like that. Did she know and you are a big guy aren't you? It doesn't matter. Did she get in your face about it? She did she was she was upset about some instance the episode whatever happened between her and another girl. She vocalized that to you didn't she? Yes, she did she did didn't she yes, and she vocalize it in a way where she raised her voice. Yes. We're she got mad, right? Yes, and it was because of that that No longer works at cipriani's. Am I right? No, she did work. After that. There was a break though in between the time that she got upset walked out and then came back, correct? Yes, so not a great day for either side really today and I think that's probably why the dispensed with these Witnesses so quickly and it ended at lunchtime. So we're lunchtime. Yeah, so kind of a 0-0 kind of score there and I wonder it is 0 0 score who wins, you know. You would think that Harvey Weinstein would win but you know, there's a lot of cumulative evidence not accumulative Witnesses and maybe you know, maybe the maybe that 0 0 is not what he needs. He needs to get a few wins. I mean to be honest. There were a few other Witnesses today Monica Mickelson who was there for she give evidence for about 15 minutes? They she was the casting director for the movie Pulse which taralli will said Weinstein had used as bait to attract her to his apartment where he raped her. Miss Mickelson said the movie was actually being produced by Harvey's brother Bob and then they had no rule and casting it actors for that movie. However, she was forced to agree on the cross examination. She had no idea how the two brothers work together whether ball would accept recommendations from Harvey and she agreed was often the kids and loads of people would recommend actors to her from all walks of life and even other actors other directors just you would get recommendations. Asians coming soon he'd be really good or she'd be really good. So she'll really no point score there on that wanted to know the fact that Harvey was talking to someone she's even forced to admit that sometimes you would screen test an actress for one roll but offer her another. So again, no no point scored there then they had they called lawyer deaths and from the law firm both Schiller and he confirmed that on Weinstein's behalf. They had hired this mysterious Israeli company called Black Cube, and I used mysterious inverted commas to It's women who are making sexual allegations against Harvey Weinstein and this is before all the reports came out in the New York around New York Times would again didn't didn't do much for me. I think the jury will agree you're perfectly allowed. It's perfectly acceptable to legally investigate people who are making serious allegations about you and I don't think anyone there suggested that they done anything illegal. Exactly. Exactly. So yeah, so quite quite yeah quite again a quite a short day which was which was kind of great. But tomorrow is going to be a really big day and tomorrow we're going to hear from the substantial accuser which is Jessica man. So the two, you know that you know in the end there are all these other Witnesses, but the ones that we count the only two that really count are the ones that are accusing him of one of one of rape and one of sexual assault and that Jessica man and Miriam heylia, so the tomorrow is Jessica Yes, Miriam Haley just man they are the only ones he's been criminally charged with criminal assault in them. There are four other kinds of sexual assault, but they're to make up this wider predatory charge which know it's a controversial charge. So it's the prosecution need to score big tomorrow because you know, this is a major Witnesses and major accuser and you remember we talked about Jessica man before so she is described as from a dairy farm in Washington. They mentioned this dairy farm a lot and also that she was brought up in The Evangelical Church, which I think they mean I mean, I don't think she was actually brought up in the actual church, but they mentioned that a lot and I think it's probably you know, you can imagine that that's actually trying to characterize her in a very specifically innocent kind of wave Sound of Music playing nothing but we've had you know, we have heard we've had a kind of a preview and you know in the opening statements of things that have been discovered in Discovery about Jessica, man, and you know, and we were you know, it's there's a lot there and it's some it's going to be interesting. In cross-examination is going to be very interesting of Jessica and obviously, you know, the prosecution understand and know that you know, there is this correspondence this sizable amount of Correspondence, you know from her to Harvey Weinstein where she finishes all her emails saying lots of love where she want them to meet hasn't her mother and all of this sort of stuff. Do you know what we call that describes herself as his casual boyfriend know we heard that an opening argument then finally, we've heard some things and opening argument that didn't then come out during evidence. So You can never believe in opening argument. Basically, they can say what they want but it's all about evidence and it's all about testimony and talking of testimony. We're going to have a very special guest in the podcast Studio on Tuesday. We won't say who it is will tell you tomorrow who it is, but someone very close to the Weinstein Camp who's in court every day and they're going to tell us what the thinking is in the wines in cap and perhaps what we're thinking is with Harvey Weinstein. So let's be sure to tune in on Day, and we hope later on the podcast of people close to the prosecution camper close to the other side to hear how they feel the kiss is going. You know, we want we really want this to be a fair podcast looking at all sides people have criticized us for being skeptical. I see on the comments but on please do go and read as and leave a comment yourself, but as journalists, that's what we got to do. We got to be skeptical. We got of Stand Back From the Mob and ask No, where is the evidence of the squares the truth for this so we will be were skeptical. Of course. It's the only hearing the prosecution case nicer were skeptical of the prosecution case when the defense gives comes we're going to be equally skeptical of that as well. So that's what we do. That's what journalists do if you're reading journalism. That's not skeptical and there's a lot of non skeptical journalism about this case. Well, then it's not real journalism. Its advocacy entitled to read it, but don't kid yourself that you're getting the full story you get the full story on the Harvey Weinstein trial. On filtered and we're going to bring it to you every day rain hail or shine. So please chin in riddles. And if you want to support us go to the unreported story Society.com. Thank you. Thank you. Bye bye. Today's podcast is produced by unreported story society and Magdalena, cicada and Raquel lehrman of theater planners written and presented by fellow McAleer and an mcelhaney directed by Kip Shoal Megan Hast is played by Kristen Connors Maurizio. Ferrigno is played by Thomas. 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In today's testimony we heard from several  witnesses who were brought to bolster the claims of the testimony from Dawn Dunning and Tarale Wulff. We first heard from Australian Lincoln Davies, the former fiance of Dawn Dunning. Davies explains how they were invited to lavish parties through Dunning's connection to Weinstein. He also recounts Dunning's shock when Weinstein allegedly asked her for a threesome. However his testimony came under attack when he said he couldn't remember the year or even the time of the year of the alleged incident. He further revealed that she had not told him about the very serious sexual assault that she says had occurred before this meeting where she alleges Harvey Weinstein put his hand violently up her skirt - in a hotel suite in Manhattan. Then we heard from Mauricio Ferrigno who was the manager of Cipriani's Upstairs lounge where Tarale Wulff was a cocktail waitress. She says she was led upstairs by Weinstein in the restaurant to a darkened terrace strewn with building materials where she alleges he assaulted her. He said he saw them on the stairs but saw nothing untoward.

Welcome to Accounting 101 episode 13 how to dominate in Direct Cash Flow statements fake cash method. If you recall from our episode on the introduction to financial statements, there were two methods used to present the statement of cash flows the direct method and the indirect method the indirect method is much more commonly used and today we are going to go over a trick to help you make the dreaded indirect cash flow statement, very understandable. If you have not listened to episode one and two and probably episode for you may want to listen to those episodes before continuing to listen to this episode. This method is only going to be valuable if you understand the L ra Concepts from episode 2, you should recall from episode 4 that the statement of cash flows is broken up into three reporting sections. In investing and financing it goes in that order operation Iraqi freedom for me. If you think of something else that works for you good cash flow from operating activities or the activities from your ongoing operations. This is going to be the cash flow from transactions that affect the net income of the company cash flow from investing activities are the activities from Capital expenditures, which is another way of saying the purchase of fixed assets. It's also Investments made and any game gains or losses from Investments. This is going to be the cash flow from transactions that affect non-current assets of the company cash flow from financing activities are the activities from loans and the activity between the company and the owners of the company. This is going to be the cash flow from transactions that affect the debt and Equity of the company. So on the statement of cash flows, you will always see the beginning cash balance and this will agree to last periods ending cash balance if you look at the balance sheet from Period you will also see an ending cash balance on the statement of cash flows and this will agree to the ending cash balance on the balance sheet for this period the indirect cash flow statement starts with net income. And then it makes adjustments to cash for income and expense items that do not affect cash. Keep in mind that we are using an accrual method of accounting so our net income is being affected by sales or expenses where money has not yet changed hands. So for example, if we had a 1 million dollar sale on the last day of the year that is going to be in our net income, but we did not receive any cash for it. So what we are doing in the indirect method is we are unwinding these things to get to the actual change in cash for the period. So the indirect method looks at the changes in balance sheet accounts to determine the cash effects in essence. What you were doing is solving algebraically for cash if we know that assets equals liabilities. These plus Equity we can break down our assets into cash and non-cash assets. So if we express that same equation as cash assets plus non-cash assets equals liabilities plus Equity. We can subtract non-cash assets from both sides that leaves us with cash equals liabilities plus Equity - non-cash assets, and that's what we're doing here in the indirect method. Did but it's not formatted like that at all when you're doing this in the real world. You should be working off a template from last year and that's going to make knowing which accounts are going to be affected in each section pretty easy. You only need to be on the lookout for unusual items in your accounting class. There's a chance that you will have to create an indirect statement of cash flows from scratch or the professor fills in part of it or you're being asked how a change in this account or that account affects cash. The point of this episode is not to tell you what goes in each section. You need to memorize that yourself the point here is to show you how to figure out whether the item will be an increase or a decrease to cash. Let's get into the fake cash method and do a few examples to illustrate. So let's assume from last period to this period our accounts receivable increased by twenty thousand dollars and we had 100,000 dollars of net income in this period what would our cash flow from operations look like assuming these are the only transactions that occurred. Let's first look at it logically. Lee say our accounts receivable balance was 50,000 at the end of last period and now it's 70,000 the end of this period the numbers don't really matter, but that's our twenty thousand dollar increase. Well, we know that in order to increase our accounts receivable, we would have had to debit accounts receivable for $20,000 because it's an asset and at the same time we would have made a credit to sales for $20,000. That's the net result of the transactions that we would have made. It could have been multiple transactions. Well what that means is that our 20,000 dollar increase in accounts receivable is sitting in our one hundred thousand dollars of net income, which means that our cash flow from operations is only 80,000 in that example. No, the fake cash method. Does this you make a fake journal entry to record the change in the account you are looking at and then you balance the transaction with an entry to fake cash. We know that a journal entry must always balance. There must be an equal number of debits and credits. If you have to make a debit to fake cash, that means the cash is being increased for that item. If you have to make a credit to fake cash, that means cash is being decreased for that item. So when you were looking at the cash flow statement and you see an increase in accounts receivable for $20,000 accounts receivable is an asset which means that it has a normal debit balance. So in order to increase accounts receivable by twenty thousand dollars from last period to this period we would need to debit accounts receivable. So you should create a journal entry debit accounts receivable for $20,000 credit fake cash for $20,000. This represents a decrease in cash because we made a credit to fake cash. I say fake cash because this is not a real journal entry. It's not being recorded anywhere. You're just jotting it down on a piece of paper. This is just a trick to tell you whether cash is being increased or decreased on the cash flow statement. So once again if you have to make a debit to To fake cash. That means cash is being increased for that item. If you have to make a credit to fake cash, that means that cash is being decreased for that item because remember cash is an asset with a normal debit balance. So a debit will increase it and a credit will decrease it. So if you know your aleready, there's nothing you need to remember to utilize this fake cash method. So again, our accounts receivable balance increased by Twenty. Dollars from the end of last period to the end of this period we see it right there in our 2 year comparative balance sheet. So we make our fake journal entry. We debit accounts receivable for $20,000 and we credit fake cash for $20,000. That means an increase in accounts receivable of $20,000 is a $20,000 decreased to cash on our indirect cash flow statement. This works with any of the accounts, but you need to know the AL re part of this you need to identify the type of account and whether it has a normal debit or credit balance for this to work. So let's say that our accounts payable increased by ten thousand dollars from the end of last period to the end of this period Well accounts payable is a liability account, which means it has a normal credit balance. So in order to increase accounts payable, we would have to credit it for $10,000. This means that we would make a ten thousand dollar debit to fake cash, which represents that this transaction would increase our cash flow. Let's look at that logically, if our accounts payable increased by ten thousand dollars, that means that within our net income. There are ten thousand dollars worth of expenses that we used. It's payable for and we have not yet paid for it doesn't matter how complicated the item sounds you can break down the debits and credits just like this. So let's say that are accrued expense payable decreased from the end of last period to the end of this period by $25,000. Okay, so accrued expense payable is a liability in order to decrease a liability. You have to debit it. So debit accrued expense payable for $25,000 credit fake cash for $25,000. So a 25 thousand dollar decrease in our accrued expense payable means a 25,000 dollar reduction to cash on the cash flow statement. Thinking logically if we reduced a liability by 25,000 from one period to the next we would have had to expend 25,000 dollars of cash to do. So, that's the fake cash method now that you know this you should not feel intimidated at all. When you see an indirect cash flow statement and you need to figure out whether you should increase this or decrease that another obvious thing to keep in mind is that non-cash expenses like depreciation and amortization or added back to net income. You don't need a method to figure that out. A out most of the cash changes that happen in the investing and financing sections are pretty obvious as well. You need to nail focus on which accounts are affected in each section and some of the other tricky parts of the statement of cash flow such as where to show gains on sales of assets Etc. You don't need me to tell you which items go in which section you need to open your text book to the chapter on statement of cash flows and you need to create yourself some index cards while you're in your textbook doing that. You should look at an example of the indirect cash flow statement and prove out the changes to cash using this fake cash method. It should then make a lot of sense to you. And that's when you're going to see how valuable this method is. Keep in mind that when you do everything right here the change in cash that you calculate on the indirect cash flow statement will be the difference between the beginning cash balance and the ending cash balance and the beginning and ending cash balance is can be traced to your balance sheets. I hope you all find this method is useful as I have as I continue to stress. This is all about the debits and the credits L re is the language that you must know. Please spend a minute to rate and review the show. So that others can find it. I appreciate those of you who have already taken the time to do so. If you have any questions, or you have a topic that you would like me to break down send me an email at Jimmy dot Stewart CPA at gmail.com. I'd be happy to spend the time to help you better understand any of these Concepts. Thanks for listening. I'll speak to you next time.

Example # 1 Our Accounts Receivable balance increased by $20,000 from the end of last period to the end of this period. 1. Accounts Receivable is an asset, so it must be debited to increase its balance. 2. Create journal entry:                                                              Debit    Credit Accounts Receivable                  $20,000           Fake Cash                                            $20,000 3. A $20,000 increase in Accounts Receivable = $20,000 cash flow reduction on the statement of cash flows. Example # 2 Our Accounts Payable balance increased by $10,000 from the end of last period to the end of this period. 1. Accounts Payable is a liability, so it must be credited to increase its balance. 2. Create journal entry:                                                                Debit     Credit Fake Cash                                         $10,000         Accounts Payable                                   $10,000 3. A $10,000 increase in Accounts Payable = $10,000 cash flow increase on the statement of cash flows. Example # 3 Our Accrued Expense Payable decreased by $25,000 from the end of last period to the end of this period. 1. Accrued Expense Payable is a liability, so it must be debited to decrease its balance. 2. Create journal entry:                                                               Debit     Credit Accrued Expense Payable            $25,000             Fake Cash                                             $25,000 3. A $25,000 reduction to Accrued Expense Payable = $25,000 cash flow decrease on the statement of cash flows.

Hi, I'm Brittany loose and welcome to sampler the show where we play you hand-picked moments from podcast that you just have to hear. So today on sampler women have taught me how to look on the bright side Gretchen Rubin and Elizabeth Craft. The sister team of the podcast happier. So Gretchen is a writer and she wrote a really popular book on happiness. A penis called The Happiness Project. It was a big head and a New York Times bestseller and happier the podcast kind of grew out of that and Elizabeth is her co-host and she is television producer and writer and Allah Gretchen likes to call her my sister the sage. So on the show, they cover everything from personal mantras to listener letters to closet cleaning to Sister banter. It's all about just like providing listeners tools with just how to make Our Lives easier better less stressful and just all around happier Gretchen and Elizabeth welcome to sampler. We're so happy to be here. So happy very excited very excited. Okay. So what I love about you guys is show is that it's actually not really about being happy constantly, I think of it as like how to be kinder to yourself while getting on with just the living of your life. Yes. That's a very good way to put that's great. Thank you know because sometimes people think that like to be happy, Means that you would be on a 1 to 10 scale you'd be at a 10 24 hours a day 7 days a week and that's not realistic and it's wouldn't even be a good life. So it's really like, how are you just having as good a life as you can as happy life as you can so Gretchen's been a sort of Happiness Guru for years. Where is I'm not so I kind of in the outside perspective and you're so different. It's like weird foils for each other. Yeah, because we're different from each other. I'm actually I'm glad you guys mentioned that because I Going to give listeners a taste of what you guys show sounds like and the piece actually that I want to play kind of deals with how you know, you navigate different personality types. So Gretchen you wrote about this in one of your books, but you guys also bring it up a lot on the show and it's called before Tendencies framework and it basically outlines the four ways in which a person can respond to inner and outer expectations. So really quick, we're going to play a clip of You guys talking about the for Tendencies on your show. So the for Tendencies are upholder questioner obligor and rebel, right? Right. Okay, so a polder readily response to outer and inner expectation. So they me to work deadlines and they can practice guitar on their own without much fuss questioners question all expectations. They hate anything arbitrary or unfair or irrational so they make everything an interactive by patient because if they approve it, they'll do it if they don't they're not convinced they Do it next obligors obligors meet our expectations, but they struggle with in our expectations and then finally Rebels rebels resist all expectations outer and inner like they want to do what they want to do in their own way. If you ask or tell them to do something they're very likely to do the opposite. So those are the four Tendencies and as you can imagine it has a lot of implications for how you would most readily form habits. I'm an obligor. She's an upholder. Mmm. Whereas I am a total obligor. Yeah. What you guys talked a lot about on your show, like just really looking inward being introspective and seeing how you fit in in the world. So today inspired by the work of your podcast all of the clips that were going to play for you guys directly address the contributing factors to what makes you happy or unhappy and how we choose to navigate finding happiness and maintaining happiness. Hmm that brings us to our very first clip. It is from the tax season podcast, which is Hosted by Darrell Campbell who goes by the name tax tone? So text own grew up in a rough area of Brooklyn East New York, and he spent his 20s in our jail on his podcast. He talks about his life and interviews arranger guests from musicians to activists, but in this particular episode, he actually brings in a psychologist to give him therapy on Mike something. He was like totally afraid of really hesitant about doing and the psychologist is dr. Maya pettifer and as soon as she sits down with Stone and she refers to him in the clip by his birth name Daryl. She immediately disarms him by telling him how handsome he is. So here's tax tone talking about how his looks affected him as a child. I was the kid. I was like a little dark skin kid. I had good skin. I had curly hair and and then in my neighborhood that that was like an issue for some reason like even the drug dealers that I looked up to the tough guys that was on the corner. They will always say stuff like yeah, what's your good hair is, you know, I mean and shit like that like fuck that me when I was younger because I was like, oh they think I'm soft because I got good head, you know, I mean and growing up where I grew up in East, New York. In the 90s you had to be tough to go to school because the crackheads were tough back then understood the crackheads wasn't zombies. They wasn't they couldn't comprehend. The crackheads would choke you up and take your coat. So I used to go to school my cousin for Lana every day and I had to protect her. So I remember going to war with crackheads stray dogs, like all types of things. So it was like I had to be tough in order to survive. So it was like, I think it was because of my physical appearance that I Being beautiful. I don't know you are. Thank you. I don't know but that's what made me like going to be in tough because it was like people used to describe me and every time he described me it'll be like older dudes. They'd be like, you're pretty black that call me pretty or you know, I mean they say, oh, yeah that good-ass hand. I used to be like nah, this is why people think they can play with me, you know, I mean, so I got Rel aggressive over time. Okay, but Daryl we're not talking with Not 20 years past where in the present yes, you're not walking to school trying to fend yourself and your cousin off from crackheads. So what's the necessity and being as tough and bullying other people? No, I don't believe anybody. Yes, you do. Who do I believe those who you think are about to bully others? Yeah. You're right. You're right. I do that's not your concern. You're right, but you know what it is. I'm a I'm afraid for myself. I don't want anybody to bully me. I'm not really buying that it's true. No, that's not possible. Let me tell you why you put yourself on Twitter. You think that people are not going to talk shit and try to bully you that's what they do. So that's that's a lame. Excuse really what makes you bully other people. It's a defense. No, it's a way for you to let out all the stuff that you haven't let out in years past people are easy targets herbs, whomever it is. And so you go from 0 to 60 and you just like let out on people they become an easy target. That's not fair the game that I play is don't even get next to me. Okay, but that game that you're playing is You went from using that as a means of protection and now it's isolating you you're like in Grayskull, you know, that's what they used to call the shelter on Atlantic Avenue. Yeah and Bedford. Yeah, that's what you're doing. And so you want to enjoy the fruits of your labor and this world that you've created through being on podcast helping artists do stuff, but you're still going to be very much alone. I'm cool with that. No, I don't really think you are. You don't think I'm cool because I think it makes you sad what wow, I don't have the reasons why but I think that you probably self-medicate you smoke a lot of weed. Yes. You drink a lot of alcohol. Yeah. That tells me you're not happy. I guess. I want her to be my therapist she really pushes back. I mean therapist or not that she really put it on the line. Yeah. Wow when I hear tax Stone living in the past, I think about moments in my own life. You know what I mean? We're sort of like I'm gonna get really stressed about something or if I have an anxious response sort of like where it's coming from and then you realize it was something, you know, it happened 15 years ago that really holds no relevance anymore. Can you guys tell me about and your own respective lives when living in the past has hindered you Well, when I was in 7th grade, I had kind of one of these very typical things where people who are very my very good friends kind of all turned against me at the same time. And I think ever since then I have never had a best friend and I feel like I have to stay Diversified not really taught me. Yeah, that's why I'm your best friend. Yes you all right? Yeah. Yeah. I mean I think for me for whatever reason I did not feel attractive in high school and I felt like Nobody wanted to go out with me and like my prom dates were like from other schools kind of thing. Yeah, and even though looking back, I don't know. I look fine. I don't know why I had this such a deep feeling about being ugly. But it I think that I mean that fed my romantic trajectory until I met my husband for sure and I only had like, maybe three boyfriends my whole life because I never felt like anyone wanted. Want to go out with me? Yeah, this is so astonishing to me because here I am your sister and I always thought you were like the tall pretty popular one. I mean, I felt like you were very hot and i'mi'm a I assumed you thought so I this is like a total Revelation. You didn't know this. No. No because no you were like the life of the party you had so many friends you had parties like you're way more like what was always popular but not romantically popular. I mean it wasn't like some Some person in a corner. I think it was just feeling you know what I mean? Yeah, I think a lot of people follow you. Oh, yeah. No, it's definitely a common feeling so actually our next clip deals with another really common feeling guilt. So this clip comes from the podcast one bad mother. Hmm. Is this show about motherhood and the not so pretty not so perfect version of motherhood sort of like, Life without it's hosted by Biz Ellis and Theresa Thorn who aren't afraid to get really honest about the realities of being a mom. So I wanted to play for you guys because you're both moms and you give a lot of advice to Mom's on your show and you get a lot of questions from moms. So in this clip, the two of them are talking about the phenomenon of mom guilt. Hmm here is Biz telling Teresa what makes her feel most guilty. There's all the little ones like let her watch too much television hot dogs for a week. Once. Yeah, and I may like or I feel really guilty for taking any sort of personal time. That's a good big one for me. So like if I especially now that she is older and she is playing by herself and I like have to say to her. All right? No, I'm doing this thing go play by yourself. Hmm, even though I know that is good for her and it's good for me and all the stuff like I do feel like like the middle of the You know that whole waking up and like she was going to that horrible face and like there are a lot of nights out of want to be like go get back in bed toughing. Yeah 7Up. Yeah get back in bed, but then I'm like I should just go sit with her because again, it's that guilt is like the future and pending Delta of life one day. She's not gonna give a shit. Yeah. All I'm gonna see is her door closed 24 hours a day and my face. Yeah and all she needed was like 10 minutes of comfort get your fucking ass off the bed go in there and you comfort. Her that is like a particular type of guilt. It's almost like pre guilt like that feeling of like this is happening too fast and everything. I do everything. I do feels so permanent because this moment is so fleeting. So if I don't do it perfectly like I'm gonna hate myself right as waiter and I get you know, and I will I will have missed this opportunity like that. It's almost like it's foreshadowing ago work. Yeah. It's like it's like Imagining the worst. Okay, it's done. Are you sure and trying to prevent your own future? Well, what's interesting to me is a really not talking about guilt or talking about regret? Yes. It's really they're going to regret having lost this time their children. Yeah, which I also think about but I don't do a lot about it. No because it because in that sense, it is fleeting. And so if you're not taking advantage of these opportunities to like cuddle in the middle of the night then yeah, you're going to regret it later when you when there's no there's no opportunity to do it. What do you guys feel guilty about as moms I lose my temper very easily like that's that's definitely something that I do a lot and I feel bad about it and I'm good about apologizing but I will definitely lose my temper a lot. She does. Yeah, and you know, you just snap I snap. Yeah, she's a snap it's very unpleasant, but it's not long no last long, but it's frequent. I feel guilty that I am not at all domestic or homemakers. Really know and our mother was it was you know, stay-at-home mom who cooked and went to everything at school and did all of those traditional sort of June Cleaver type things and I'm the opposite. I don't cook at all. So I'm not a mom but I really identified actually with like the guilt part of this clip. Like there's something almost. I feel like distinctly female about guilt. Like how do you find that guilt presents with your female listeners in particular? And it's funny because it sort of does it does you're right. It is very female that kind of defines being a woman in a lot of ways for a lot of people and I think there's also goes to Gretchen's 10 personality tendency thing because I don't think Gretchen feels a lot of guilt because she's an upholder. Mmm. Whereas I am an obligor says guilt like an obligor thing. I think it is. Don't you Gretchen? Yeah, I think it is because as Anna polder Biz might have thought. Well, I really need my sleep. It's really important to me to get Is asleep and so my daughter, you know, maybe she would appreciate it if I went in there but it's really important for me that I could sleep. And then she could just she would just go back to sleep. I'm not saying she would necessarily make that call. Yeah, but that would be a very upholder way to do it but with an obligor, it's like that external expectation is so pressing. It's hard to have the inner expectation out Leo. There's a lot of obligors out there who feel a lot of guilt. I'm trying to discipline myself against guilt, but I think it's this feeling that you're talking about Brittany where women are just moving through the The world feeling like they can do nothing. Right like they're not doing enough work. They're not doing enough at home. They're not doing enough in their marriage. Yeah what Gretchen's making a face when I just I think that sometimes people over like a scribe too much to being a woman or a man and that it's more about what's coming. What's your internal situation? I'm not sure that it's so much of a woman thing versus an obligor thing. Sometimes people leaped assuming that it's the female experience when I'm not sure it's the female experience the I don't necessarily think that it's like a Like a natural female think do you know what I'm saying? Like warrant? I think of it more as like the like the extra social. Yeah, it's taught and like the social expectations that are placed upon you as a woman could lend itself toward experiencing guilt more often well into your point. We just did this thing about thank you notes and whether whether Elizabeth should have written thank you notes after after birthday party. It's an expectation that seems attached to women then it's just the thing with like I said the Halloween party where people are bringing all these crazy special treats. It's no one's looking to dad to bring those treats. Dad. Doesn't even you know, a dad doesn't sit there and go. Wow. I'm a bad dad because I didn't bring a Frankenstein shaped cookie, but then I wouldn't have felt that way either right and ago said I'm a liar you are as I always tell her she is not the norm. She's always right. Well, we're going to take a quick break you guys. All right, but when we get back we are going to get your insights on how We get back on course when we feel like we've fallen off. This episode is brought to you by TaxACT. This tax season Tax Act has your back with their deduction maximizer and a hundred K accuracy guarantee. You can feel confident. You're getting the most out of tax season learn more about how to maximize your deductions and your refund and get 25% off federal and state filing attacks act.com gimlet. That's TaxACT.com gimlet for 25. percent off federal and state filing welcome back. I am talking with sister Duo Gretchen Rubin and Elizabeth Craft of happier podcast. So on your show, you really try to help people find balance in their everyday lives. And so our Clips today are kind of exploring that pursuit of balance that pursuit of equilibrium and that's really reflected in this next clip. So it's from The Tell show which is a podcast from BuzzFeed and it's hosted by Isaac Fitzgerald and summer and Burton they interview guests and they also encourage them to overshare MMM. So in this clip, they are interviewing their BuzzFeed coworker culture executive editor side Jones. He's talking about how he dealt with grief and isolation shortly after the death of his mother and say even his mom had often discussed traveling together. So after she passed away he decided to take a trip to Spain. I get to Barcelona and I just wasn't ready and this is something you just live with for the rest of your life with grief. Like it will come up right people will ask what does your mom do for a living or where do your parents live and like you were just going to have to find a way to work through that conversation? I wasn't there yet. So I would just say I'm a writer and I just always wanted to see Spain which was also true on one of these days, you know friends from the hostel and I we went to one of the beaches and the beaches are just Gorgeous just absolutely beautiful. Like I couldn't even handle the view. You know, you just you gasp I drew when I was growing up a lot with color pencils. I would just like spend a lot of time drawing and color pencils and the ocean was the color blue that you would pick. You know, when you were a little kid it was that that that jewel blue, you know in the greens and just everything and you kind of go this can't be real like water actually can't look like so yeah. I it was just Was gorgeous and as with these friends and you know, we had sangria and it was so bright and at different moments, we would like kind of break off and some people would go swim out. And so, you know, I one point just kind of got up and headed out into the water and and swam and and I remember noticing that the waves were almost seductive like it was almost kind of like a deceptive calm. It looked very beautiful. and there weren't a lot of you know white Crest but it was like, whoa, this is actually kind of intense and you know, you kind of go with it and then the Beauty and the serenity of the surrounding kind of made me even more relaxed and so I'm out there and I'm just in the middle of the water and I'm probably somewhat drunk and I realize I'm really far from Shore and I'm also starting to realize I'm tired like physically tired, but also Deeply emotionally like existentially exhausted. I'm just over it and the moment I realized like Oh, my legs are kind of tired. I'm kind of tired of paddling it was it was like another wave actually over my body. I was like, actually I'm tired of everything. My name's Sayid means happy and fortunate in Arabic and my mom put a lot of thought into that name and we always were talking about happiness and how hap that's who I am and so in grief. I felt like I wasn't even who I was anymore. I couldn't feel this way and be Syed and so I'm just thinking about this as I'm just like kind of putting less and less effort into swimming. and then finally, you know, I'm just kind of debating back and forth and I'm just like why not just let go like why not just stop, you know, like you are really really tired and you are alone in your family and people commit suicide all the time because of grief and I kind of had made up my mind essentially that I just wasn't going to put in any effort in it to it and I felt like that was a compromise and by the time I'm I like totally let go and I remember like feeling my arms like kind of hit like, you know the size of my body and I just let my legs drag and I had been I mean many many yards out into the water and the moment I did that that's when I felt my toes brush against the sand. Wow, that's a story. Wow. Yeah, I don't even know how to receive is deep. I just find it. So interesting that I like at the moment that he was ready to give up. Right, you know, I mean just whatever coincidence Universe fate whatever just wouldn't allow for that right? See I thought he was going to say is and then I gave up and started going going under and then I was like, oh my God, I want to live. Yeah. I thought that's where the story was going to go. But this is a much more faithful intervention. You have a feeling that he really was willing to let go but he just happened to make it too short. Yeah, how have you guys ever dealt with grief actually during that clip. I was thinking graduate your work in pursuing happiness was sort of a you've talked about this concern about Jamie. Yes, and his your husband one time illness. Yeah. So I husband this is the story with a very happy ending but my husband had hepatitis C, which he got from a blood transfusion. When he was eight years old, I had a heart operation. So he had that when he was 8 and hepatitis C kind of lingers in your bloodstream for about 30 years, which is a good long time and it often leads to like total liver failure or liver cancer. And so it was definitely something that hung over our heads and it was a destiny that felt very close, you know, like this is this isn't happened yet, but it feels like something that could play out and then by the miracle of modern science a new drug came on Wow, ask not this January the last January and he's totally cured so it's it is amazing. But I think for I think it really did shape my thinking because it felt like this was the future. That was there's there's a moment in Joan didion's book The Mirror magical thinking about the death of her husband. Yes, where he has a heart. Back in there in the cardiologists office and he says to her well now we know how I'm going to die and she says, oh you can be hit by a truck. Like there's no reason to think you're gonna die of a heart attack and she said but he did die of a heart attack. That was how he died and I always have that feeling but I think you and I have talked about this your work and happiness was like girding yourself preparing yourself for that because it really did seem like a very, you know likely Ability as she would be a young Widow. Oh, but it's funny because I didn't understand that you understood that and then when you said it I was like I because it was like in a way to attempt to control things. Wow control my happiness by sort of like planning it out and building this whole architecture and and understanding and figuring out a to-do list and everything and you were like, you know what I think this might be coming from a very different place. It's like you think see both talk a lot and you've written about daily habits. Yes that either reinforce. Good things or bad things and in your podcast you to talk a lot about how to incorporate those good habits and small practical like really doable ways. So you to know very well that sometimes we all need a little help incorporating those better habits into our everyday lives. And in this case that can mean reaching out for advice. Mmm, which brings us to our next clip. So it is from dear sugar radio from WBUR the Boston radio station it basically turns and the dear sugar advice column into a podcast. So people write letters asking these really revealing and super vulnerable questions. And in this clip co-host Cheryl Strayed reads letter about a complicated sibling relationship and her co-host who's another advice columnist Steve Almond gives his advice. Dear sugars. My sister has been married for almost 30 years to a man who has become very wealthy as their wealth has increased. They have bought real estate that sits empty 80% of the time they now own five such properties. I live with my husband and son in a two small house, which we struggle to pay the mortgage on my husband works very hard and makes a decent salary. I stayed home to raise our son and I'm now working part-time. I cannot find a full-time job. My sister and brother-in-law have given us old sofas used cars and a bit of cash at Christmas for the last few years. They have a lot of money. My brother-in-law has a net worth of around 30 million dollars their wealth is causing me so much anxiety. They have been generous with my mother. They believe they have been generous with us, but they have the ability to he's so much stress for us. I know I sound like an entitled brat. I don't want to be this person. I've struggled with this with my very wonderful therapist for a long time. Now, she seems to be advocating for me to walk away from my family to get myself out of the way of the pain and disappointment. I feel I want them to give us money. I want them to help us buy a new house or pay off our current mortgage. It would mean nothing to them financially to help us do this. I cannot go on living like this. I hate being this person my relationship with my sister. Has always been strained. I feel like I may need to cut them out of my life so I can go on living mine help me put this in perspective. Thanks signed entitled and or Justified. Wow, look it's never the money. It's what the money represents and what this letter to me expresses is that this woman that you entitled and or Justified have the wish that your relationship with your sister were. Stronger and that she would give to you ease of mind that she would intuitively be generous towards you but you can't demand generosity. You have to be generous to me because I'm in this state of stress and it's your responsibility. You have the means to relieve that in there for you should and of course, it's terribly humiliating to experience that as a kind of demand because it feels as you're identifying child. Can entitled but I wonder Cheryl if this sister rather than showing love and support through money. We're deeply concerned and connected to our letter writer, you know and empathetic with the struggle that they have to keep themselves in the middle class and pay the bills and pay the mortgage. I wonder how much that would diffuse that expectation that she would solve the problem with money. The money feels like the problem and it really stands in the way of I believe the real human problem here, which is two sisters who can't be generous with one another. Well, I got to say it doesn't sound like that to me. It sounds like it's about the money. I was I don't really like that was like paragraph 5 my relationship with my sister. Yeah. I feel like it's about the money, which maybe that's fine. But I didn't pick up that there was a deep need for a connect more connection of the sister. I've what I noticed in that is she never said if she asked her sister honey. Yes. Because if she hasn't asked her sister might think she would be offended offended. My first my advice would be well, why don't you ask her and if she says no, I mean well then that I don't know where you stand but the sister very well might say yes and also does her sister know the reality of her situation that like, I can't get a full-time job. We're having trouble playing the morrigan's because to her sister might I think like well, they're just doing fine. You know, they don't have multiple properties but they've got their house and they've got their work and she might not realize and I think when you have a lot of money, it's easy to lose touch with the fact that other people might be struggling even if they're not visibly struggling so weird, you know, so you're right. It's like what's what is the sister know it was weird to me that like the to that like the options to me. I know he's to be like should I like do I deserve? All this money for my sister or should I cut myself off from my family completely and it's like either she pays off my mortgage or she's or she's dead to me. Right which to me was like such even a weird thing that like even This Woman's therapist didn't even pick up on like I don't know. I see my therapist every Tuesday night and there's no way in hell that this woman would help me for any reason that I really needed to cut myself off for my entire family, especially over something like money. I think you wonder what is not in there might be That there's a lot of missing information. That's what maybe Steve is. Right, and this doesn't have anything to do with money. No. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Really. This is a very dysfunctional family and she would be better off cutting them out. Yeah, that's what the therapist knows but we're not hearing them. Yes, let right because it does seem crazy. How do you guys even record a podcast with a sibling like, you know, I mean, I love my sisters a lot, but I don't know that I could host. Something with the with them every week what it was like a dream come true when we had the opportunity to do this because for years we had been saying it would be so fun to collaborate and then and then this came about and we jumped at it. Yeah, and I think it works because Gretchen is like the boss, you know, it's her show and I'm her co-host but at the end of the day is her show so she has final say but I think it's much easier because there's an understood Dynamic, you know, I think it would be harder if we were if we were truly sharing the show and I will say doing a show with an upholder is great because she does do everything and I know she will so it's easy for me and you never let me down. Yeah and of lights are the guys do a great job for me a list of this want to do like the most important relationships in my life. So I feel like it's just been a joy and everywhere and then we have like these sisterly Adventures. Yeah, like We're here today talking to you. It's so fun. Well question Elizabeth that brings us to the end of the show. Oh so fun to talk to you. It's the first hands. Oh my God. I'm so glad that you guys came a sisterly adventure for our scrapbook. Well, thank you guys so much. Thanks Frank you to recap the clips featured on the show today. The mom guilt clip came from the podcast one bad mother the on like therapy session was from the tax season podcast. The story about grief was from buzzfeed's The Tell Show and The Sibling letter was from WBUR s dear sugar radio. This episode was produced by Rose Reed Sarah abdelrahman math to Nelson and myself with help from Cape Parkinson Morgan. It was edited by Amy Rose dresser and Alex blumberg. Our theme music was made by Micah Valium and our ad music was made by Mark Phillips additional music was by Bobby Lord. The show was mixed by Matthew bowl. And Ryan Staples sampler is a production of gimlet media. Next week on sampler. We are getting into one of those topics not discussed in polite company politics. I'll fool look is terribly important. And the real advantage that men have if they have a uniform. Yeah, they know that you wear a suit the tie when it comes to women. We either look like a Vogue model or an unmade bed.

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Now look the welcome back everybody. Tonight is a special after-show. I am so excited because we have a special guest. But before I introduce our special guest I'm going to go ahead and let you guys know I'm AJ, and I want to introduce you to my lovely co-host Lauren. Hey, girl. Hey girl. Hey Lexi. Hey everybody and everybody we have the queen of Atlanta boo miss juicy, baby. Hey, hey, yes, so I just want to say thank you for even joining us. We have so much to talk about for tonight's episode. And I know you're going to spill all of the T. So we can't wait to hear that before we get into it though. I do want to get overall thoughts on tonight's episode. So Lauren, what did you feel? I feel juicy. No, I'm just kidding. But no, I love the whole episode. I feel like this would have been waiting for I feel like stuff is popping off finally. Like I love this juicy mini beef. I'm here for it, and I'm just excited to see what happens with the album. Lexi how did you feel about tonight's episode? I thought it was a great episode. It was good to see everybody have the dialogue and to really get into the nitty-gritty of what's going to happen with the music. I was a little frustrated with what happened with the meeting with Street execs, but we'll talk about that more. Yeah speaking of Street insects. Let's just go ahead and get into it. So Al from street is ax he really I feel like it really like the twins bump man and a little bit but however, he said they needed a little more work. So miss juicy. I Have a question. Do you think that owl is being extra critical because they are little people. Well, I think because I I see both sides and it is something I think he has been extra critical because it is little people but he also has a point to that people have to take in perspective street is April's known for trap music if people are not aware of HootSuite has a is street is safe is to change label. Hmm. So right known for trap music, so this is a whole Different type of vibe so that you are presenting to somebody that particularly represent rap music. So it would have to be something totally new. It's something totally different and I know another Avenue that he would have to try to deal with it. Mmm. That's so go ahead. Let's just see how do you feel about the comments that they make what he makes when he says that this is not a At a circus do you feel like that is kind of like a little person joke or a dig well in some people eyes, it will be because you know as being a little person we hear this all the time as far as you know, people think that because we're little we will be condemned considered as a circus because a lot of people don't understand. A lot of people are eating it. Uh-huh will not know that little people. We just we just small. Yeah, you have to live just like everybody else have to live. They don't mean, you know, we can't do something that you do it might take us longer to do it. But most of the time we can do it better. I don't know you ma'am. Everyone loves the juice and on a lighter note before we get even deeper on this is GC single. Let me know. Everybody be asking me to kill he's an advocate for the little person. He's a yeah, just let me know she likes about his business and he's about his business. She was 2 Shot Lauren Graham. I shot has been shot and shoot it never lets up miss juicy. Let me know I'm single. I don't know. I that's not a something that I wanted to know, so I didn't ask. Okay, we'll talk offline. No worries. Thank you speaking of dating. Let's go ahead and get into Miss Minnie. Emoni loves podcast. Yeah. So, um miss juicy. Have you had a chance to check out Miss Minnie's podcast? He was there besides the time that she was there. I played two fish that'll be enough. That would be not so okay. So what did you guys think about Miss? Minnie's podcast? They had another tape in on the show. Was it interesting this time? I wasn't still blah. What do you guys think the good thing about it? What you guys see is what I see is by adding Monie Love to it, which I suggested I do suggest moment, but I suggested her. Hitting some people in there. If you're going to talk about ladies and hips and Hip Hop you need to bring a lady that's been in hip-hop and to get the real feel of it because you're not a lady in hip-hop and and you bringing the twins on is somebody that's trying to get in hip-hop. So, how can they tell you something about ladies and Hip-Hop and the things that come they don't know so you would go to somebody. I come only love somebody that is a legend that's been doing this and you know that's doing it and been doing and that know about the business to make their podcast successful. So I think that was a good look for her to bring on Monie Love because that's the only way that that would make it if you ask me. Oh, yeah word. Yes. Oh miss juicy. We know that you've been a part of The Rickey Smiley Show for about over a decade since 2008 who believe so you're a Veteran, so is it safe to say to miss Minnie? Is she just trying to learn from the best do you think she does admires you? You know what when I first met many that was the spill it that she admired me that I was a little person just like her but I didn't make the size. Stop me from doing what I do. That's when I first met her so I basically took her under my wing brother in and you know said hey, you know, Now, I'm okay. Thank you. I don't really want it to feel like I'm I don't feel like I'm someone to look up to but since you do it mommy, let me bring you into my world and introduce you to everybody but beloved blah, but after that it was like now she trying to be me. Did you introduce her to Pastor Troy? Sounds like no I did not introduce her to Pastor Troy and but anyway, so but what I want her to do is find instead of trying to be me find your Niche and what you like to do and so sale in succeed in that, you know, because trying to be somebody you never even even in radio. I don't have our let me get the record straight. I don't have nothing against what you Trying to do radio but don't be malicious and trying to do it something that you want to do. Don't do it because you feel like that's gonna Dethrone me. No, honey. That will never be drawn me do something you want to do the 100% but when you try to be malicious and I'm doing this so I can I can become the next queen of Atlanta blue know it that's not going to happen because it took hard work to do that. You don't just get up. Hi cares, I'm on a national syndicated radio show. There's a difference Barefoot. So that's three times and you can't just do that in think that's what that's that's going to happen though. I've worked you. Can Google me googler? Yeah, I've been in entertainment for over 19 and 20 years. So not just radio just entertainment but hold so you it's work that you got to put into it. It's not something that you're going to get overnight. Yeah. Yes, the queen has spoken is levels to this. Okay. She said it's love was to this so juicy. I have a question going back to you feeling like she's just trying to be like you I didn't notice recently that now she goes by Miss Minnie. What do you think about that? How did you feel you hurt hurt hurt hurt miss me. Well, if anybody are a fan of the show of little woman Amanda, they can go back all the way to the first season where I had Lately, let her know that she's still people identity remember that and that what I meant. That's exactly what I meant. And that was the example. You have not been calling yourself Miss many baby. You just did that because you know, I got myself miss juicy baby. Everybody know me by my tagline missed you baby. Yeah, look the head and not the hair flip. Yes. The queen has spoken. She could not be dethroned. Sound okay. So so um, that's a Miss Minnie's podcast. So miss Minnie was shooting her shot and Monie Love and said that she wanted to what'd she say? She wants a sip so tasty. Hey some of me or something in her juices. Yeah. Why is she not want to experiment you guys I've been saying this on the show miss juicy. You cannot if you agree. I personally think that many might like me. You see romantically and now she's kind of hinting, you know, especially in the women. Yeah, you did crawl it and I'm saying yes. I have no comment on it. I don't know if she is. I don't know if she's handing around but I don't go their way to be swinging for me, honey. Let her know. Yeah, so Lauren and you definitely said that Miss Minnie might, you know have a crush because it seems obsessed. That's how you feel about somebody like romantically. I just want somebody to look up to regularly. Yeah, and it's being that she has said that Simoni love I was like, okay, wait a minute. She might do like she do like girls. So now I'm like, well, maybe she might have a crush but miss juicy said no, she does not go out of its way not a chance at all. Not at all. Oh, honey. Not at all. So miss Minnie. She goes on a blind date with O'Dell. What do we think about Odell? Do you think that they are good fit or Are we still seeing Pastor Troy? It was like well, you know, I truly believe that her and pass it to our and love and somewhere boot up right now, but she did go on. I know this is Miss. You see I want you we know this is fake. No, I'm talking to some people that watch the show now. Yeah, that's how it's only one Lexi is only listen Pat to destroy have in the room when he came on her podcast. Using never been on a pike and she went over there to here. No. Yeah. No, I remember the whole debate and password if that thing is of and the love and the movement. Just trying to get your shine on. Oh my God. How about I said guys I've missed you. See I've been saying - yes. No, I her and Pastor Troy. I'm still trying to figure out exactly choice on the payroll. He tried to get back out there. Are on TV get his cameras time in and that's it. Look it was a lot of drama. So we've been there who out with you guys amazing that she lied about the relationship and then I remember another episode of her admitting that she lied about being pregnant. So I don't even saw that. Yeah, we seen it but I'll go ahead, honey. I already know what before it even happened. So hmm. Yeah. Well, well, maybe it's a good thing. She did go on a date child because I mean they were cute on the date whatever they didn't mention a second date, but they they were cute when you think about old Elm is Juicy. Did you see him? Did you see the date? I saw her just like y'all. So I did you see comes with the shade honey. She comes to say without even saying anything. I mean, I'm if she like him I like him. I'm saying I wish her well, hmm. I wish you and if he is a good fit for her didn't pay that'll be great. Yeah. Well, that's that queendom shade better and shit. Yes. You just gotta look just look and let everything speak for herself. But so moving right along let's get into the cheeks and this music video. So the cheeks were rushing things. And they decided they want to shoot a music video without running it across you with you miss juicy and you know being the hbic you have to go in there and check them. So what happened with that? Well, first of all, just like I told the twins I noticed we talked about the cheeks, which I am just like I told her twins, I'm not gonna babysit you first of all, but I like the fact that you want to have some initiative about yourself. But you can't think you know everything and you have not even made it yet. The song didn't even belong to you yet. And you already shooting a music video. That's something again. You should have ran by your manager. And so I would be able to advise you of which way to go which would have been let's talk to Street has eight for it for this song belongs to them. They wrote this song. They wrote the lyrics they the beats. Everything belong to them until we get rights and okay from them. You can really can't do anything. So you're wasting your money until you don't even know if they're going to give you the rights or if they're going to present it where you can buy it at this particular at this particular time. So I'm not I don't have time to go back and forth and ride around with people like if that's the reason why I came and I said what I said, you know, hey, girl, y'all ain't even made it yet. Mmm. Her talking all is Noah's and and saying this this is because you got so many hits and likes on YouTube. Don't mean that you have made it. I mean, there's a lot of YouTube Sensations out there and people that got rich from YouTube and you know ain't got discovered from you too. That's true, but you're not discovered yet. So that's what I was trying to get them to understand. Don't let things will happen when they supposed to happen. Mmm true it is not your timing. It is God's timing. So aside from that. Did you like the video? Did you think it was a good video? Thanks for tuning in to AfterBuzz TV. If you didn't know we do over a hundred different after shows a week for your favorite TV series, we do it in podcast and video form and it's never been easier to start your own podcast to get in with us and talk about the things you love. If you've ever thought about it go to Anchor dot f m / start to start your own podcast. Anchor is a One-Stop shop for recording hosting and distributing your podcast. Best of all, it's a hundred percent free and We're easy to use now. Anchor can match you with sponsors who want to advertise on your show and get you paid right away doing over a hundred shows a week, but it makes it so much easier to be able to cut out things that we want to cut out and insert things that we want to insert to make the show the quality that you the fans deserve. So if you've always wanted to start a podcast and make money doing it go to Anchor dot f m / start that's anchored FM / start to join us and the diverse community of podcasters already using anchor I can't Wait to hear it. So let's get into Emily though. So, you know Emily one half of the Cheeks is Emily and Bri so Emily basically she gettin big heavy because she said that bump man and the other artists aren't on the same level as them. Is she doing too much too early? What you guys go ahead. Hey. Not getting a big head Emily always been like that. She plays to me feel like that because they have because they have made a video before and they got so many thousands of like she think that okay, they know everything and you can't go into this business knowing everything and even people I must say even people that have been in the business forever. They still learning. It's an honor. On learning process. It's a lot of things that you don't know. You just got to live and experience so stinky. Hmm. And so yeah, she do think that she better than everybody else. And that is the image that she gave a call. Hmm, but nothing new with her. That's the reason why you either take it with a grain of salt and keep it rolling or not. I'm not making excuses for they don't be nervous. Okay, but you play by miss juicy boo because you're not going to be you're not gonna embarrass me. I'm not going to Continue to let that happen. Yeah, so I'm sorry. Yes to be found to yeah. Yeah. So, um, Lexi and more or less. What do you guys think about Emily? Do you think she needs to help herself? I start with you Lexi. I think she needs to Humble herself and be more professional even if that's how you felt about the other artists in the room. You don't say that in front of the street exact thing you don't say it in a meeting and I also think that's just a very Petty reason to not do something with them because The end of the day that was an opportunity for you and you not only messy are possibly messing it up for yourself. You're messing it up for all the people around you and Barney was like well, maybe it was just the pregnancy hormone. Yeah. She was really doing the most. Yeah Lauren. It was just a cringy experience. I felt like I was at the table like stop talking you're ruining it. Stop talking stop talking, but she definitely needs to Humble herself. I agree. I don't think it's any new Behavior. She's always kind of had that Cockiness to her. She said it. Herself that is a part of her personality, but this is business. So you need to fix that personality if you want to advance and I was proud of brief or saying speaking up because I feel like Emily is kind of always the voice for them both. I'm glad she kind of, you know wasn't a huge stand up but she did say a comment like well, I think it's a good idea Mike. Thank you. Thank you love cheek. Where is the real left? Cheek stand up. We finally heard you speak. Thank you know, I definitely agree. I'm like, it's Emily always a spokesperson. Yeah for the cheeks. I've never here brief stay much and even Only talking Bree. She might be thinking suffer a head butt breed never really sad for anything. I'm like Emily. Can you talk to your other half before you just make all these decisions because that's so inconsiderate. And so interesting. Is that what you think too juicy? I do totally agree with you that I agree with all you guys because I mean if you're in a group you in a group and I think what Breeze deal is which I've talked to her about it before I sent you need to talk to Emily Moore and so yeah make these decisions. Together but I think Brady Liz because Emily is the one that has the money and and I guess I can't remember exactly how she got it but it was like she inherited and that's really why I breathe just kind of stand alone and be quiet a lot. But if you're going to continue to be in a group, you need to communicate regardless of who got the money or not. It's still got the respect issue. Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense. Yeah. Family is in these she's is briefs get him the esophagus. And as you said that that makes sense so Emily is the man of the house. Basically she got the money. Yeah, Daddy she got the money - sugar - I will say surprisingly. I was surprised that the twins and a bearer were actually down to work on the lp and it was actually the chicks who are hesitant because before we talked about we thought that the cheeks were going to be into it for the money and we thought the Twins were going to be childish and immature and not want to work. With them but it actually flip-flopping the opposite way. So I'm surprised are you all surprised? No my prediction last week as I disagreed with her. I said that I thought that the cheeks I feel like they learned their lesson now, they already lost the chance to work with the Chute execs first. They lost that song the first time they already got dissed or so they think so. I felt like they were going to step up and I knew a beer was going to step up say what you want about a beer but she is hungry. Yeah for this so I wasn't surprised My Hope was that everybody was just going to be down to do it. I was really excited that they had gotten the yes from In hmm Miz just are you surprised that the cheeks that well, are you surprised that the cheeks didn't want to go through with the album? Am I? Yes? No, I'm not surprised. It's not that the cheap. I'm going to say Emily Emily. Yes. Well, I didn't want to go through. I'm not surprised because I know the history between the two Crews between the shapes and and the twins that's the reason why if you know, there's on the first episode I invited all of them all to the house because I already knew how they already knew the tension between them. Then do had a black that's the reason why I wanted to have a meeting with all of them first to even present the idea to them to let them know. Hey, and if he it's just the same thing that happened in the beginning where the twins didn't show up to the to the meeting was treaties Act and the cheeks did so now the Cheeks is not showing up and the twins. Are you found him? So that it It's just the opposite thing around but you know, they live and learn it completely, you know on upcoming episode. Hopefully they will learn a lesson. I just I know what we shot. But like I said, I see it when you guys see it as well. So yeah. Yeah, and I'm just think Emily she needs to sit down because it's basically she was kind of everybody or nobody but Avera a bear was the only female little person they can actually wrap like he is Only one that can actually wrap and I'm just like I'm really you got some nerve that I density but in my my thoughts on a beer is that okay? Yes, she can rap and she had been wrapped around wrap a wrap and for a minute but like I told all of them none of you have made it, right. So at what you you might have some tracks in might have some stuff on your own in your library and your catalog but none of you have made us all. All you guys need to humble yourself and take advantage of opportunity when you mad because you never know when it's going to be around again. Hmm in the middle of all this. Yes, I know him so black and I've seen him actually on the stages and stuff. That's how I met but man is Adam showcase and see been knowing him for a minute and I told him anytime I have anything I will be inviting you out. That's the way we've always been for years Mmm Yeah. So before we go on into the next topic Laurie have a message for our viewers I do. Hey everybody. We just wanted to thank you for making us the ESPN of TV talk if you're watching us on YouTube. Be sure to give us a big Thumbs Up And subscribe and if you're listening to us on iTunes give us five stars because none of the other star ratings really matter and thank you so much for helping us and doing what we love and make sure you tell a friend tell a family member a stranger all about AfterBuzz. Yes, and thank you for hopping into the live chat. They are in this live chat and it's juicy. They are loving you. They are excited to see you on our show tonight. So yeah, we definitely appreciate you for joining us. So before I move on the tweets, I did want to ask your opinion really quick miss juicy about many confronting you before the meeting. Okay. Okay. So how did you feel about it where you did you feel like? Why is this girl coming to me? Or did you did you feel like she was right in her approach to you? Like do you think you were wrong for trying to read manage the twins? Okay, let me answer that question in one word unbothered. That's how I felt about it and no I wasn't trying to really manage the twins. I've never ever had put the offer on the table for them. Only thing remember when I first presented them with the idea it wasn't to manage them. It was to get them in front of Street execs and have them to take advantage of this opportunity. And no I wasn't trying to necessarily go behind her back. And because I don't have to have her permission to talk to anybody and because I know she didn't know what she was doing and still don't and even when I did have him over to the house shot her at the question that I asked him have y'all been in the studio? Have y'all did this have y'all did that and the answer was no so didn't something as a manager that that would ask. These type of questions but and that's what they told me. So, of course I was going to present the opportunity to them not necessarily trying to go behind her back because they think I'm not a spiteful person. I don't do anything out of spite. But hey, I did present this opportunity even even though many did go behind my back and bringing them to the street is April. She didn't even know nothing about no street is that and so but but I went to them. You can't say okay. I only think about myself. This is what I do. Hmm every day, so I'm not evidently I wasn't just think about myself at your opportunity opportunity to you, but it's up to them. Who did they who they wanted to choose if you want to go with somebody that didn't know anything about it. Then that's you. Yeah, they did give y'all but I gave you all that opportunity to yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It didn't show up y'all to take advantage. I didn't leave y'all. Y'all to take advantage of the opportunities that I gave y'all. Yeah. No, that's so true. Because I feel like in a past episodes. They were all trying to make it seem like you left them when in actuality the twins, they didn't even come ya know. It's like miss juicy didn't do nothing wrong. Y'all didn't show up. So how y'all putting it on everybody else. Y'all need to take responsibility. I think it's gonna get any is in their ear though. Oh Minnie. Yeah, like reinforcing this idea that you know juicy laughing. I'll just be left y'all. So they're starting to believe it even though They just weren't confident. I don't have time. Like I said, once again babysitting. I'm not gonna baby say I'm not gonna babysit them. I'm not gonna babysit the twins or left cheek right cheek. Even I'm not gonna babysit anybody. You gotta be strong You Gotta Be You Gotta know what you're trying to get into. Mmm-hmm is just the have another question off of that. So at the end of the day before all of this, it seemed like the whole crew were friend y'all. Hung out outside of all of the business stuff. So to this day because of all this are you all still friends or has this affected you all as friendships? We still we talk we we are friends we at you know what you don't have friends and you know how sisters do you can't have catfights get mad at each other and all this but at the end of the day, you won't let nobody else talk about him, huh? That's how we are. Ya not me and Manny we don't talk mmm because I choose not to and because I would not stoop to Your level now many comes to making my money. I'm not gonna let you or anybody else. Stop me from making my money. That's the reason why I could put our differences aside and front of GC and and he said I could do that because this is about money and I mean I got to be your best friend Mmm Yeah, I'm finna go get this bag. Yeah, and I just want to say that Miss Minnie she was out of pocket and she had the audacity to Even come at you for trying to sound a twin when she did the exact same thing. So I'm like girl. This is the pot calling the kettle black like Miss Minnie sit down somewhere. You can't get mad at miss juicy. You you've been copied her your whole life and then she like my whole life. Yeah, so I'm just like yeah Miss. Minnie's have a seat. So yeah, Miss Minnie I Want to play a game with you? I'm sorry miss juicy. I would like to play a game with you. So it's real quick. It's a fun game and I just want you to say the first word that comes to your mind when I say the following names. Okay, Rickey Smiley. crazy as hell Pastor, Troy friend, Miss Minnie I think she had to wear it come to my help. special special and street is ax One word I'd use more than one where I love them. If they're very I love them love. Yes. We will stick with that. So I'm also I also want to talk to you miss juicy. You've been looking really good lately and I've been seeing you on Instagram getting your workout on, you know lose the way keep the bait because we already know you keep them in your back pocket. So, you know, you keep the dues. So I just want you to tell me more about your fitness journey and how you maintain a healthy lifestyle. About my fitness journey. I was inspired by a very very very very good friend and and just decided once once I decided to change my lifestyle. I just decided what no turning back. I have goals I set goals for myself and know how I want to look and it was all about when it was about losing weight. A lot of people don't realize everybody think that it means lifting weights but 90 percent eighty to ninety percent of losing weight is how you eat once you learn how to eat and that was something that I had to learn how to do but it became a lifestyle change and so I had to learn a portions I had to learn what was healthy and what's not healthy. How can I do it? What every what's good for me might not be good. Or you know what works for me. I figured out what works for me. I got used to it. I got comfortable with eating healthy and cuddly you first say eating healthy. You think it's nasty when I realize that is good to know Dan I said, okay after month with learning how to do that. I started working out got me later and then got me some trainers and I went headfirst. It is. Oh and I enjoy like I said, I made it a part of my lifestyle. I can only do most of the time now when I'm not filming I do go twice a day in the gym twice went on twice twice a day Jim and when I'm not when I am filming then I cut it down to once a day and now there's days that I don't get a chance to do it, but I have enough equipment here at my house. Did I can work out of my house? We're proud of you, you know, Miss Minnie trying to lose her way now to so I don't like now. She gonna hurt Health kick. Hold up. Hold up. Y'all need to cut it out eat this food and she been trying to lose weight since first season. Yeah. I know y'all see know trying to come in and throw their food away I do. I post my stuff for the poor reason, you know, I feel like if I can do it she can do it and I understand now that she do have helped problem. But there's a lot of people that come then the gym that I also have health problems to there's a way around it and that you can do some things you might can't do all things but you got to try some. Yeah, you know, I'm saying depends on how bad you want it I'm telling you. I would that person that had a membership at the gym for a whole year. And pass by the gym every day. They did not go in there and do nothing. I was person that will park when I would go to the grocery store that will try to find a close parking space and we'll sit there and wait till somebody back out before I find what I was that person that used to do that. It's on how bad she wanted start with a little bit at a time and then work your way up until you can do it. You can't have goals. I know how I want to look I'm tired of making excuses. Yeah, that's the realest thing I've heard today. That is all facts. So before we go, I will know we're going to move into our next segment which is the tweets. So, let's see. What sweets do you have for us today? I have some tweets for us. Okay, it says at underscore mesmerizing once juicy and many stop hating on each other. They could definitely kill it together. Now with that being said juicy. Do you ever see a A day or a time where you and many could work together on something. Well, if a correct one thing first, you know, nobody I know you got to say go ahead so but as you can see we are working together we're working together on this street is dating, you know, that that's we're not going to ever be friends. Mmm. So that's that's a done deal. I've tried and you don't turn it over. I don't know. Normally the turnout so I think we're good. We and we can work together. I mean we can work together like we doing by now on the show getting paid. Yeah, it has yes in front of the Google works together in front of these cameras. Yeah. Yes. Go ahead. What's the next week? We have another one at Bri underscore Breezy 11. I don't even understand why they're fighting so hard to get signed with Street execs if he can't see it then move on personally after the First meeting I wouldn't want anything to do with that label. So missed you see what is it about Street execs that makes it that you want to work with them instead of just taking your artist somewhere else. Well, it's not that after he if they if they have been looking out have not seen all of them yet. I wasn't at the Showcase what they before. Yeah, so I live the main person that makes the output g c and Isa and charge to get us ready to go in front of him. He's the one that make the actual decision Street exact is a well-known record label who would not want to be up under that record label got her Noah opportunity when you get one that opportunity was presented to me because I knew GC them. I knew them they do. Me what they had on the table and I thought hey, I know some people that that might can take advantage of this opportunity. That's the working hard with their record label to impress them and try to make this happen because I know they have a well of very good reputation. Hmm. Yes, so that was a lot of information and yes, we had a lot to talk about today and I definitely appreciate you miss juicy for joining us. Anything you have going on next anything? What's new that you would like to tell anyone? Let me see. What can I tell you guys? I have so much stuff going on guys. You're not standing streets. Well my website which is Ms. You see baby.com. I do have my on Accessory line from clothing to accessories there and I okay. I'm go ahead and put it on that day. Yes. I do have my own bobblehead, but Reason, I can't never keep them as fuck because they go as soon as I get them they go so fast, but I will be restocking them. I am working on other projects. I will be on the new season of claws. So I will I'm excited about that, which is also on TNT. What else am I working on? I'm going to happen Leonard. Hmm. Which is also on Netflix now was on Sundays, but it's on Netflix still working on a music. I'll be continuing to do that because that's my life. That's what I do. I'm going to see what else. Oh I go ahead and Spill the Beans my own son glass slide. That's about to come out. Can you mail me a bobblehead and some sunglasses me? You got any that bobblehead though? I need one. Don't worry. Let's talk. Offline it's a talking bobblehead. But you're out of the phrases that fits you see say so and those can be purchased off of Miss. You see baby that come but don't purchase them right now. They are back. So but they will be available real soon. Okay books and busy. Yes booked and busy so miss just before we let you go. Can you tell us where we can find you and on social media? Yes, yes. I'm sorry guys, they're all different because people are stove a name honey. But anyway Instagram is miss juicy or SMS. If you forget your remember, I am on the reconciling want to show so that's what our SMS mean. So that's Ms. Juicy or SMS on Instagram on Twitter. Is Miss Juicy J. Which is Ms. Juicy J on Facebook. My God, my fan page is the real miss juicy, baby. We'll miss you. So baby, and then my personal page is Surely miss juicy King. Thank you so much. Yes is Beauty for joining us. We really appreciate it, too. So, yeah, thank you. And before we sign off Lexi, where can we find you at? You can find me on Instagram Twitter Snapchat all of that at I am like see fears and Lauren where can we find you can find me on Instagram and Lauren out loud and on YouTube at Lauren mayo and everyone. I'm AJ put Bobby on Instagram at Crimson Peak. Check out my YouTube channel AJ tops AJ talks and thank you guys for joining us. See you guys next week. Bye our founder Keven undergaro and me Maria Menounos would like to thank you for tuning in to AfterBuzz TV. Remember, we're not just the first were the biggest in the world and were the only destination for all your favorite TV shows whatever you crave. We've got it. So go to AfterBuzz tv.com and check out our lineup Buzz ya later. 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Hello cheap homegrown Nation. This is shame come back from the chief homegirl podcast. And on Today Show. I have Punic Punic can be found on Instagram at ponic underscore farmer. He's a European cannabis grower and he reached out to me a few weeks ago and said he thinks he can contribute to the show and after talking with him. I agreed he comes on the show today to talk about Auto flowers and why he enjoys growing them this podcast episode topics are wide-ranging. We not only talk about growing Auto flowers, but we'll talk about his grow room set up lighting stress trading and a few of his interesting cannabis stories when he lived in Asia this podcast was a lot of fun. I look forward to having panic on in the future. Please rate review And subscribe and enjoy the show. Hello and welcome to the cheap home grow podcast a show for individuals that want to learn more about growing cannabis indoors. This is a podcast dedicated to helping you with your indoor growing Adventure. You'll learn how to grow your own and not have to rely on others for your medicine. The cheap homegirl podcast will also feature timely interviews with cannabis industry veterans shaping the culture and politics of cannabis. All right here is your host Shane McCormick and the cheap home grow podcast. Hello everybody. This is Shane McCormick from the cheap home grow podcast. And on Today Show. I have European cannabis grower who is from Lisbon Portugal. He can be found on Instagram at ponic underscore farmer. That is pron. I see underscore farmer and mr. Panicky. You know, like I said, he is from Europe and and on They show we are going to be talking about growing automatics in Europe. We're going to be talking about Led panels nutrients low stress training flushing. He's going to be telling us about a story when he you know, when he I guess recently grew a photo period plant in Herm doubt and also he is going to be telling us a story or maybe a couple of stories about how How I guess Asian cannabis laws are well, I guess pretty I guess they can be pretty harsh and he's got a few stories there which certainly sound intriguing. So this is a wide or this is going to be a wide-ranging discussion. But without further Ado ponic. If you could could you please tell my audience a little bit about yourself and then we can get right into the various topics of conversation. I say in chat. Thanks for having me. Yeah, my name's Pike. I'm based in Lisbon Portugal. I'm originally from London in the UK and I've been growing a bunch of different Autos over the last twelve fifteen months and experimenting the different strains different techniques different go environments, and I've been dabbling with going over the years but over the past year 12 months or so. I've been really figuring out these automatics and how they've improved over the last few years. And yeah, no, I'm I've lived in Asia for the last 15 years in various countries there so I can talk about some experiences. I had there with the different types of cannabis and the growing situation over there and I'm back in Europe now enjoying it here and we're looking forward to talking to you. All right, man. Well, that's enough. I do appreciate you being on the show and in really I mean I haven't I haven't had a lot of Europeans. Come on the show I have although I have had Mackey from from from Percy's grow room. He was on the show maybe a Alex ago and he's actually part of my Sunday night panel. So but I mean other than him, I don't think I've had any other European. So I mean me personally I would love to you know, get your opinion or your opinions on growing automatics in Europe. And I mean, I guess my first question is I mean is it well, I mean, you know, I mean not that you would know what it's like to grow in America, but I mean from what I read from what I I understand, you know Spain and you know, I don't know how familiar you know, you are with automatics. But you know from from my previous guests. They have told me or they have told me that Spain has done a lot of work on automatics. So I mean if you could I mean why why are automatics I guess more popular in Europe than they are in America. I mean, what's the you know, I mean why? There you know why? Yeah, that's a good point. I mean in Spain it's really taken off now. I mean that the laws are becoming more and more liberal there when you actually allowed to go at home now and they have the the social clubs that you can get. You know what they want a bit like dispensaries, but they're not quite it's not quite legal. It's kind of a loophole in the law enables them local Growers to sell to these dispensaries and people can become members locals can become members and buy from them but the automatic thing and I think it's the time. I think it's a shortened time for growth time. I mean, you know, you look, In at eight nine ten weeks to harvest from see they mean and I think that people it's almost unnoticed easier. But you know, you don't have to worry about the light situation schedule of the lights, you know, it seems like people it's just more accessible to people who are new to Growing I think maybe and the fact that they're they're promoted so widely here as well. I mean, you got all the classic Dutch can be Sensi seeds such passion. They've all got the auto The photos now now those and I was at an event a couple weeks ago in spannabis in in Barcelona and it was huge as amazing. I think that's been the biggest Expo in Europe, but it was there were loads of seed companies. There are loads of different gadgets and grow equipment. It was brilliant as I meet the different companies there and yes Spain's go taking off for sure where I am in Portugal. It's slight. It's like they're decriminalized all drugs that are into that year 2000 but You still not allowed to grow it really? So I wake up our plans here in that. I think they're going to care too much but it's not actually, you know legal yet, but I think I'm waiting for Europe to do it because it Europe's funny place. I always thought it was quite you know, Progressive and ahead for with this whole cannabis seen apart from Holland. Obviously. It's a little bit behind, you know, I think Luxembourg going for recreational next year and maybe if they start it the rest of Europe will follow or see I think they watching Canada closely. See how that goes. But I mean, you know, it's pretty hard. I think the whole the whole world is changing their views and it's slightly somehow sure based on what's happened in America as well. Right, right. Yeah. Well, I mean, you know one thing about Cannon I think they were the first I'm pretty sure they were there they were the first industrialized Nation to make cannabis federally legal. So yeah, you know and and you know, I'm even here in the states. I mean certain, you know certain certain. States in America cannabis is now legal but you know for whatever reason if you cross into another, you know another state it's it's not legal. Yes funny in that that enough, you know, as an outsider you think you would never think it's um, so different in different states. You think it's just one little country. But yeah, I mean, I was in Washington two years ago and they experience going to spend dispenser unit to The Dispensary stuff, which is interesting. That's cool. Oh really? Well because bit pricey though, but I mean it was decent it was deep. Start I just said it's not you know, it's interesting for me to go into the shop and buy and it was okay. Well, there's me if I was you know, I mean, let me ask you this. I mean is is American chemist and he different and I guess well, is it different tasting than European candidates or is it was announced that the active site similar kind of thing. I tried a few different strains ones in Washington and yeah just to remind me of the stuff in Holland, you know the Dutch stuff to use to get so yeah, that was it was good. And it was as excited about it. And I think it's funny how you get all the different label, you know, but I ever was and the artwork and stuff the other day like branding and stuff. Yeah, that's cool. And I thought it was great. It was really good come in. All right, sir. Well, you know in terms of your introduction, I mean, let me ask you this. Is there anything else you know that I am missing or you know anything else that you would like to say before we go before we move on to the to the growing aspect of the podcast. I think I think you've done a good job though. I've just recently become a test grower for SAS buds. All right, and yeah, so that's interesting. So there's certainly some Mexican Airlines some cream cookies. Yeah. I just finished today Girl Scout Cookies by fast, but they're just actually trimmed it this morning. So that's trying now. Yeah, which is which is good. And also I tried out the Blackberry. Hmm. Okay, so the purple buds and I got sponsorship from Dinah Femme and Sensi seeds so they send me some seeds. So I'm going to be growing quite a few different strains over the coming months, which is an exciting for me. I really love the haze. You know, I'm a real huge Hayes fan. So yes, I've got some Manisha Haze and silver haze. And so yeah. No, I am excited about that. You know something I mean, let me ask you this, right? I mean, how do you because I've been kind of exploring this myself. How do you become a or Heidi become sponsored? I mean, how does that how does it work? I mean, I know that they give you seeds but did they give you any money or That my like not in the cards right now. Ya know the moment. Well, so what I did I just I reached out again. I was at that spannabis event a couple of weeks ago. She's fine. And before that I had contacted them through my Instagram and they looked at my stuff and they're like interest nice. Tell them along. I'm gonna promote you start your seeds your strains are start. If you just want to give me some some Merchants some seeds they were fine with it. So there's not there's no money. But at the moment I'm going to happen to build some good relationships with them. Sure, and you know have fun growing their staff and smoke the weed that we actually get done, you know, so it's pretty fun, but it's just nice to have the contacts. I'm to be honest. I'm really hoping and waiting that once Italy, you know, once it changes here, I can hopefully get into the industry, you know doing something with the growing aspect of it right see right? Well, I mean, you know, I mean, I know that we I know this wasn't exactly on the topic but I mean what me, what would you want to do? What would you want to open up your own? Shop, would you want to you know grow and sell to sell to I guess dispensaries out there. I mean how I mean what what's your plan? Yeah, that's that's the thing. So it depends how the sister Lena the law would set it up, but I would love to I don't know. I don't know. I hadn't America it might change but the shops can't grow their own in Holland. It's like that before they can't grow your own way inside it. So another either do a grow and sell to the shops. Or actually I do have in mind that workshops. Nice as well. So I know I know it depends on what model they use. Obviously he right but it will be called her baby. Like, you know, I could specialist kind of craft cannabis the shop that you know, it's all like locally homegrown or whatever, you know sure that'd be kind of cool and having different trying out the different strains. And yeah, and I would be interesting just keeping its kind of small scale but and I you is you never know how it's going to work out. You always grab those big companies coming in and trying to take the market. Right, right. Yeah. For yeah. Yeah, but be awesome though. I mean that's you know, I know I know a lot of people talk about that. But I mean, I don't know I feel a bit I feel a bit differently about that. I mean, you know, especially here, you know in the state's. I mean the the, you know, the bigger players they are certainly moving in there's no doubt about it, but I just I don't know I feel that cannabis the whole cannabis space, you know, it's such a I mean, it's such right now. It's so Only small it's there's so much opportunity there. Yeah, you know, I mean, yes, the bigger players are moving in. There's no doubt about it, but there's still a lot of room there to to grow and to expand and you know, if you have a unique and and you know an interesting idea, you know, I think you know, I mean no matter yeah, I think I think you can certainly go for it. And if it's good enough that you'll you know, perhaps win. Yeah. I know you I mean, it's so many opportunities. That's what's so exciting about it. The whole show is such a new industry and so many different things can happen. You could sort of shape or you want it out of you know, other sort of operation or route, you know into the industry therefore definitely exciting times. I think I think the I think you know, it's definitely changing like worldwide. Absolutely. Mr. Panic, but now now Panic I'll tell you what let's let's move the conversation forward. Let's let's talk a little let's talk about growing. Right and yeah, really, the first thing that I would like for you to discuss is your grow room setup. So if you could could you please give me and my listeners a visual of how it is and you know, and basically how you set up your grow room. Okay, so I've got a little story. I've got my house so it's nice. Got two tents at the moment. I've got a 4x4 with a kind LED 600 in there. Okay, which covers it covers most of the sides of the tent aren't you know, the the light Point straight down so it could be interesting to get some side lights around the edges of my growing but then I've got obviously got the carbon filter in there and several fans. I got the monkey fans that oscillating fans as well and the in the intake is there. R and I'm at the moment. I've got a Dutch Passion crop growing I'm not sponsored by them, but I actually I can tie this into the her me story. Okay in my last photo grow. I was two weeks away from the end. I was six weeks into flour and I was excited and I suddenly realized I thought hmm. It doesn't smell them. I should almost felt myself my grandchildren to be pretty good and looking closely and I checked and I just also That I went through it and I spoke to another another guy known I was telling him that he's give me advice I waited basically I just that I was sad day but I just spent the day in front of my fire. It was wintertime as I spent my day my fire just checking the seeded out cross onto the fire because I thought it was something else but I think it was the lightly that I had going for some reason. I had an extension cord in my in my tent which gives us a red light. And I think that might be the cause of it. So anyways, that's passion will great there were brilliant. I told them about it and they said you know what choose any strange choose three strains you like and we'll give you an AR-15 seeds. So I was like a billion so they sent it to me now. I chose the Autos go thought you know what I'm going to do a bunch of Autos now mmm and and get through the grow and have, you know have a six-month success with it. So I did and I'm in the middle of it now and they great I've got my one of my favorite stones are in Japan. I just reminds me of the 90s and I think back in the Jesus made that I got orange bud and Colorado cookies as well. So they're going really well. So they I'm growing in soil. Okay. Um, I've tried a few different types of soil. I've got them in the can a professional now the Terrace oil which is great. Okay easy on the nutrients are the beginning obviously like with Autos, right? I always give it a good two and a half three weeks until I even think about adding any kind of nutrients to them and he needs actually yeah. What what newts have you used in the past? So I've been using the Advance Nutrients lately. So what I did I thought I'd experiment with it. I accept my people might think I'm a bit crazy, but I actually went out and bought the smallest. I think it was 500 milliliters of each additive the whole line. I bought it. I went I'm going to try this out I've got so I've got blue go and micro and I've got all of the side additives on it. Okay. So every what I've done is I went up in part of the four and I've been looking at other people's advice now trying out this schedule that it's kind of overfeeding them, but I tried it out on the last fast buds crop and at the end after about 10 weeks, I you know, every few days are given different additives to boost the different parts the different stages of the plant growth and last week. I was flush about to flush and I just checked my PPM run. Off and it was 3,000 PPM run off and I was like, there's no way this is you know, there's no way I'm going to cut this yet. So I've been I was flushed it for about two weeks. Mmm. Okay regular regular flushing regular Matt, you know, I did three times the amount of my my pot for a while, but I just can't let down a bit because it was just I didn't like it being so saturated all the time. Right? Well, if you could just just go back to your little bit. Could you explain to the to the listeners? What do you mean by by regular flushing? I mean maybe like two or three times? Week with say 20 percent runoff or yes. Oh, yes differently. Oh, well, I've been I use I usually do that every three days or so with back at 20 percent runoff, but the following this this nutrient schedule it's less water more often. So what I did then I thought I'll just do a liter a day. Hmm, which gave me a flight 10 percent runoff or five seven percent runoff much less but more often and I was checking that run off each time every day. Day, and it was going down slightly. Then I just increased it a little bit. I just tried to sort of Judge it you know, and I got it down to about 500 PPM and then I just thought I could that's enough because it's 120 out of the tap anyway, so about 380 left, so I thought I'll do it. And so yeah because the one of the plants was yellowing leaves a yellow which is always a good sign because it's using up its own energy, but the other one was dark greens. I thought you know definitely going to be a it looks like it's overfed for sure. And so the flushing I think you know sold out but it was interesting to use those Advance Nutrients because there's so much marketing with them and I wasn't, you know, I've had all kinds of different perspectives on that brand and yeah, so I'm trying it now in my Dutch bash. I'm going to finish off the batch that I've got and I'm going to go to organic. I think I'm not sure I have not researched that much yet. But I want a friend of mine in Canada swears by live soil. So the good friend of mine, so I might be trying that. Now just goes next time right? Yeah, I mean why not right. I mean now yeah in terms of how in terms of your automatics or your well, yeah or your Autos as we like to call him here, you know. Yeah. All right now in terms of stress training, I mean, what do you what do you do that? And and I mean III know like a lot of people are like, oh, well, you know, you can't, you know, you can't I guess Heist Train automatics, but I mean, I don't know. I mean, what's your what's your approach here? Do you do do you do high-stress training? Do do low-stress training? And if you do what do you do? I mean like how does it how does it work for you? Yeah, like the whole table not avoided the topping situation, but I do want to try it early topping. I mean they say even in a week to three weeks the top it and see and it should push it, but I usually just tie them down ID photo It's a lollipop them as well later in just before I start flowering. I do a little clapping. It's not they're not they're not hugely bushy all the time. But I do that again, tying them down to the sides and slight defoliation. I'm really careful that these radiation to be honest with the autos because I know those solar panels are important, right but the topping I want to I'm definitely interested in doing some of that. I've heard mostly negative things about that. But again, yes, yeah because they can't react Can't that it takes them so long to you know, write respond to its of get over it. I react to it and then Cliff Lau so quick. I mean the Autos are fun, but they do flower Leo quickly and I mean and it's like sometimes as short, you know, looking like a foot high like now don't flower. Yeah stretch him. So I pulled my lights up obviously and a try and stretch them out a little bit as much as I can once they get past that initial three weeks. But um, yeah. No, I'm definitely going to be exploring that the next as well. I've got another ten in my room. I didn't mention I've got a small white about one meter 20. Okay one note are ya what the hell was that in friggin? So so it's I don't know. I guess it's like to to buy 250. I think I'll let me meet her two feet. Let me I'm going to Google right now. Okay, cool me just you know. There is one point five. You said 1.20 1.2. Okay. Yeah for your listeners out there that is three point nine three feet. So that's about four feet. Okay? Okay. Yeah go sir. I've got small a lot of golf phyto LED light in there. I think it's made in Italy The Grow Shop local grocer recommend it to me. That's really 130 Watts. Oh, but that's too I mean it's got good results. So what my plan is now is to do some photos in there. So I've got Acapulco Gold waiting to go and some silver Lemon Haze as well. Okay. It's interesting crossover. So I'll be doing the photos and that 10 and the Autos in the Big Ten. Okay, which is the idea. So yeah and panic if you could could you send me some photos of your gross base if that's cool? Yeah. Yeah for sure. Yeah. Okay, so that's me. Well write that way there the listeners can get a better, you know, they can get a better view point of what it is that you We are talking about exactly so okay. Yeah, cool. I'll do that for you. All right. Thank you, man. And okay, let me well. I mean, okay, you've talked about growing now, you know one, you know, one thing that you really haven't talked about that I would like to hear about what you know, what is your light cycle? Is it is it 24/7? Is it 1816? I mean what what types of you know LED panels are you using it? You know, how do you you know, I mean, how do you make it Heidi make your plank row? Yeah, so I've been ecstatic a good one because I was experimenting with 24 life cycle, which that's what the bees are recommending to me, but I started I did that it was fine. But I have my the four hours of Darkness right in the right when I wake up in the morning before I go to work just to go off about half an hour after I leave and there'd always be like ready to go to sleep. So I kind of like this is my meditation, but Maybe kind of a negative start to the day because I was woke up and saw them all, you know Drew because they went to sleep right? So I thought you know, what I'm going to do is to 24 24 hours and it's just pushing them fast. So again, I know that people talk about giving them a break but this last this last crop and they're now I'm just doing 24 hours and it seems to be working great. Yeah, so I know I'm going to see I'm going to keep going with that. I mean again, I know people swear by 18 6 24, but I don't know. I hope it's working for me now. And it seems to sort of you know, I love this man. Is it my imagination with seems to be accelerating them in? All right. Yeah. Well sure. Maybe it's just good genetics. Don't know those such passions are brilliant, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, right. I mean, I mean my my most recent grow I had a light cycle of 18 and 6. Okay, you know and I'm I I think I yielded. I mean I only you know, I mean with me though, I mean I didn't do any. Straining. Yeah, you know, I mean, I just get I mean shit just got busy man. You know, I mean, I you know, and I know it's not that hard to to stress strain but you know, sometimes family essential, you know, I mean, I don't think it's essential that it all tells us the cool thing about them. You can just let him go as well. Right and that's that's essentially what I do with mine and I think with my yield I think it's like probably like an ounce in a half maybe like an ounce and a quarter which isn't great. Okay. Yeah, whatever. It's the way those no, I mean if it's just for personal use as well as it's fine. That's what I do. I do like the thing about the Autos is you can do like, you know, four or five of them at the same time and then you know, that's just what about there's no that's yeah, but that's what I like about the Autos. You can have, you know, a bunch of them going different strains and then you sort out right? That's that's true. And you know, I mean, yeah, I mean, I mean and I know I mentioned this, you know, Maybe 10 or 15 minutes ago, but I mean in America automatics, you know, they tend to have a bad rap, you know. Yeah, and I mean I've asked a few people that have you know that have come on this show this question. But I mean, why do you think the you know, why do you think in Europe? That's not the case. I mean, you know, what's the I don't know really what's I mean, why is there such a different viewpoint on? On automatics out there as opposed to over here. Yeah, that's a good question. I mean, I mean obviously place that Holland, you know and Netherlands a big grind along. So I think that will old-school Growers are there. I don't know what they I don't know if they're so favorable, but I think it's that new type of grower the one who wants to just grow a couple of plants themselves that you know for their mates or whatever and I just think that maybe it's the to do with the fact that the timing of the industry is getting big now over there and then they You know that then the auto auto is us or focused on maybe on here all the convenience, isn't it? Every day? Everything is convenient nowadays, right? Like one wants convenience through all kinds of stuff right? So maybe I figured maybe that's why it's such a big thing over here. I do think though like I mean, you know, it's like anything is Nick you've done it for a long time. And this is new way of doing something people are going to be like so maybe judging, you know, I always not really proper growing whatever is an auto you have to worry about the light cycle and that you can't control the veg which I can see both sides to it. But I can also see white people do like these fast. You know, I mean they are again I got said the sometimes the seed companies do Market them a bit too much dough ready in seven weeks. It's like no it's not really separately. You know, I mean you get seven weeks you like give another two or three weeks at least. Yeah. I know right? Exactly. Yeah. That's that. Yeah, so it's give me a bit longer and then always give him less newts as well. I mean I'm doing I'm doing like quarter feed all the time, you know, there's obviously there's companies want to sell their nukes only as much as they can. That's true. Now ponic. I mean before we go into the next, you know, I guess area of discussion in terms of growing. I mean and this is my final question terms of growing what you know, what I guess you know, what tips what tricks you know, what advice would you recommend somebody or excuse me? What advice would you recommend the listener that is listening in on this podcast that It is considering growing automatics. I mean what you know, what either one or two or three pieces of advice would you recommend that person? Okay. Well, the first one is get good seeds get good to know you want good genetics. So, you know Derby research get and also figure out what strain you would like what kind of high, you know, what kind of effect would you like from it? Right? So depends out severe personal thing second is I know it's try and get you know you And a lot of money but get the basics so it out get a decent decent light and invite a tell, you know, you can get tense cheap nowadays when a closet and just get that basic set up, right sure because the setup I believe is really so much of its the tools isn't it that you need and the third thing is just don't just don't give up on it and research research as much as you can and don't give up on it. And you know, once you get past the first first grow, it's really a good feeling that you know, I can do this now and I Start experimenting a bit. So I think yeah just to set up the good genetics and the fact that you know, don't give up. I mean if things start going, you know you soon as the nutrient deficiency or something and you start again stressed out just ask reach out and ask people on you know, the internet's great. Like you said earlier. It's a great platform to ask for advice and stuff and there's lots of great forums and podcasts like this that really sort of share knowledge with people and it's a great hobby. I mean I do it because it's obviously a loved one. Smoking weed and giving it to my friends and stuff. I don't but I just love the the hobby side of it. It's just a great hobby. Right? It's funny. Huh? This is fun to like to have Diaries and share with other people and learn from the people. It's really yeah. It's really interesting. It's nature and I mean, it's not it's not a phone or a computer that you can program. It should follow what you do. It's a living, you know living thing that it's amazing really and it should be illegal eyes all over the world, but Anyway, that's a different discussion. Yeah. Well, let me ask you this. Do you grow well, do you grow for medicinal purposes or just simply recreational purposes? Yeah. Well, I've been smoking since I was a you know a teenage syme I just I just love it. I just love those smoking. So just really recreational to be honest. I mean, it helps my stress mmm, you know, and I was like, I just put this part of my life, you know, I've just done it for so long. Just thought to myself. Well, I want to actually understand this plan. Not just you know, I want to understand it and I want to I want to create you know help, you know, create my own staff and then I know where it's coming from and how its treated and all these things. It's just yeah, it's really pretty in itself into you know, interesting in what what it's all about. You know, right? Okay, cool, man, cool. What did now let's let's say what let's go on to this next topic which quite frankly I am very curious. Aureus to hear about and that is some of your International stories about you know, growing cannabis in Asia, you know, so I mean, you know, I mean you've been I mean you've been all over the place right time you've been to ya hands Singapore Laos. Yeah, you know, so so what's the you know, I mean, I've I've never you know, I'm not familiar with you know, that part of the world so I mean Type of Stories the an idea have for us man. Let's let's hear ya. All right. Well I did I've lived in Asia for the last 15 years. So I'm gonna be working out there. And so I'll tell you I tell you a few stories and yeah try and sort of paint a picture. So in Asia, I mean people have heard Asia. It's very different the harsh laws over there. Right? I mean, you know most countries I lived in it's completely illegal. I mean if we get caught with like a gram you're in big trouble anyway, so yeah. Deep shit, man. So I'll start off with a funny one. I was in living in Tokyo and but a couple of buddies of mine living upstairs in a different rooms a different building so they will lived above each other right the two apartments. And so we thought I could it they set up a little grow in each apartment. Okay. And again Tokyo Japan, you don't want to know I mean, you know any kind of marijuana use you deported probably jailed for a bit and then deported so there's no messing around so my two buddies Finds out you got couple of plants and everything was fine. And then after a couple of weeks it was in like a closet, right? So the apartment but there was like a fire alarm trigger nearby in the room and somehow we're all at work and somehow We just my friend got back home from work. So he wasn't at work just got back home from work, and he just do something with his with his closet. He left the building and suddenly like the alert fire alarm went off and it's not like a big fire alarm that you can hear straight away. It's it also seals appellee in at the fire department to come over in the police. Right? So it's going off and he realized that lucky he realizes just near his building went back upstairs. He realized that he just ripped everything out. I mean he had the tinfoil up here that the Light see us getting all the soil and he was like rushing rushing to get all this stuff done because I mean if you get called growing there you are in big trouble and luckily the guy neck down stairs. My other mates didn't didn't touch his he just waited and luckily. I mean literally when they walked in there knock on the door. He was basically had garbage bag with his always starting on the balconies dumping it and it was that close. It was like five minutes away from from being far away, you know, really? So after that, yeah after that, I mean we grew a little bit there and and we smoked it but it's so it's so dodgy and I mean tits or do it there, but that was that was a quote. That was just a quick story that another one I've got is so I was in Singapore. I lived in Singapore for like seven years great great place tropical weather evening, you know easy place and it is very very strict to might've heard it before. I mean, it's like one of the strictest places in the world to have it and so I was it's not so much a going. It's more of a smoking story. So I thought I'd just share. With its Journey one. I'm dumb. Absolutely. So over there in Singapore, you know, like any kind of marijuana use you are jailed no matter if you're a foreigner, if you're local they can even test test you, you know, a drug test if you fail it, you're guilty, right Jesus prepares for a possession. Yeah. It's that bad. Anyway stupidly. I you know, I just had to make their we got a bit off is like looking like $60 of grammar really feel like the low quality stuff. Anyway every month. I buy my stuff here too bad. Alms is a tree and smoke it really privately in my body a little quick pipe in the bathroom and like never talked about it to anybody, right? Yeah. It's never tell anybody about it that you can't it's like ridiculous Ultra Ultra stealth sole mean some people might have it's not really worth doing it. But we did it anyway, so it's really risky man. Jesus Christ is really I mean, I mean honestly if I say anyway, I you know, it's a great environment, you know, it's tropical its people don't know what it is. Basically is smoking York around the city and no one knows it's just a very nice environment to be in any way for four years. I was doing I was getting away with it me and I'm a man May and you know and then after a while like some of my other friends wanted it and so I thought you know, I just help them out. I wasn't making any money. I just thought I'd get it for him. Right so one. So one time I went and got it and it was get the big amount of getting bigger and bigger not you know, it not in terms of grams. It sounds of money because It was like, you know, so expensive it wasn't you know you laugh at the amount if I bought like announcer you'd laugh at that right? But there is like a really big deal and one morning. I went I was in my in my apartment and I decided to go down to Chinatown just to do, you know go out in the daytime. So I was an early morning right and bear in mind that like Singapore has got like cameras everywhere on the streets. I mean they always watching you right anyway, so when I left my apartment I had some of my house and had like pipes and stuff at home. So I left I went out didn't I wouldn't didn't smoke anything else tell you I burn I noticed like people like on their phones at the train station. I looking at me as I maybe I'm just being paranoid, right? Yeah, I can't be and then I kept walking through and I noticed like some civilians like just on their phones like the locals like for kind of following me. I was like, that's weird God. It's probably my imagination. So I was like, I'm the walk down this Alleyway here and if someone follows me, that's weird. So did it? No the whole someone was following me so much shit mmm because I realize that you know, I've been obviously seen get In it off that my mate, right? Right, right. Yeah, and then so I thought okay. I'm going to go into this shopping mall, but I knew really well and so I went up I went up all the flaws on the escalators went up to the top floor in the field in a bathroom at the top floor pretend to go to the bathroom sign the cube of cabinets and just thought to myself. Okay, if someone comes in now then come on then I'm finished raking right first in this cubicle thing, you know, please don't come in after a few minutes. I do the flash. You know, I woke up guys. He washed my hands and I'm looking down at my watch my hands. I look up in the mirror. And there's a fucking guy there one of the guys is there he walks in on my own Jesus my boy. I do so now the alarms are going off. I'm stressing out because I've got it hope you know, I'm not worried. I'm not nothing on me, but I'm scared that and to come home with me. So it's now you've got imagine it's like tropical. So it's like 35 degrees 90% humidity starts to rain and I'm sweaty. It's just dripping with sweat. I'm walking back to the train station taking different routes home again. I approach A apartment building and there's a black car. I'm not making this up. Honestly, it's really true my work. I walked up to my house as a black car. So I'm like, oh my God, I'm sure no this is it right. I got to make sure that you know, like I'm going to do a bit of time I guess and then get kicked out. I went into your pot into the elevator expecting someone to jump on meeting. No went up stairs elevator had reached my floor. I'm like, okay, I shaking it opening the door with Mike. He's joking no one's around. I'll my God. So close the door. First thing I do is like throw everything away. Just be like down the toilet after I smashed the pipes up by had three all away. I just sat there, you know, and I phone a couple of my mates all that locals who really understood what's going on now. Listen, they probably seen you but they're just giving you a warning like not to do it anymore. Right? Mmm, and I believe to this day not that day. I just sat in my apartment for like 24 hours like lay low and it's like never touched it again. I lived there for another four years. I just never went near it and never spoke to the guy is again, you know, I bought off and stuff and this yeah, I believe that like they let me ask me to be honest with you. Like they knew I was buying it, but they knew I wasn't like dealing it and like making money and stuff. But they knew it I was smoking it and they just they just don't like it. You know, I mean, so I was just freaking out. Anyway, that's that's like a that's a true story. It was strong picture there. But like yeah, it was it was intense, you know, really? Well you mean let me when you were in the bathroom. Why why did the alarm go off? You know, like allow me my head went off to the right. Yeah, the guy walked. Shit, and that's just what my heart dropped my tasks like and then it started going did he say anything to you? Like no, I do. Let me look to me. I mean, it's like a movie, you know, he looks in the movies are like the look up in the mirror you guys behind it was like that. Oh, he didn't say anything to you, but you see ya and I was like shit I was on the train and my people walk up people in uniform will come up the train might ticket guys on my arm, they're gonna for me, you know, they walked it's funny how your mind changes when you're like it so scared, you know, somehow I like that. Yeah, you get yeah you get I don't know in a sense you get super focused. You know, yeah you get focused on hopefully not getting caught but maybe at a certain point, you know, it's going to happen. So I don't know you yeah, you know, I mean you think you see those like banged up abroad, you know programs like you would try and I'm not so I'm not I'm obviously never do that. I never smuggle it but people do it actually smugly and they go and get like 20 years in jail. And so that's a different level. I'm not talking about that right? I'm just talking about using it. I've got one more story if you want. So yeah. I was living in a moved from Singapore to Laos. So just north of That it was great country man, like beautiful country very relaxed. So they actually it's like Cambodia they cook with ganja there. So they actually grow a lot of weed in and they use it like their food, but it's not actually legal base open up there. But you know, no one really cares. So going from Singapore to their who's brilliant because so I used to go to this list. There's a Dairy Queen, you know, it's American in Dairy Queen. Oh there they have they have their Queen. Yeah, so they had to have notes. So it's a communist country. They have no McDonald's they've got No, like Burger King though fast, but they've got Dairy Queen for some reason. It's almost been a bit of a deal but it doesn't vary Queen in Vientiane why I lived in the next to the baby. The Dairy Queen was like some old kind of shacks, you know, like really local kind of Market Shacks. Basically that's telling me no like groceries and stuff and there's a little old lady in there. She must have been about early 80s and my mates, you know gave me a tip of the like I'll go and ask if she's some weed on my that's why Okay, I'll do it. So what in then I'm like if you go in and you can show yeah, she's like yeah and I my all right. No, okay, if something that 10 grams whatever and she's like, yeah go to me and it was nice stuff. It was just it was like, you know, it's like Thai stick kind of stuff it as the local lauche and we definitely have and after a couple of times of knowing her and getting it so I'm I thought to myself, you know, I'm just going to buy loads because it was so cheap because just straight off the field, right, right. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, so I went down I said, you know, I must for a kilo and she goes Has oh, yeah $250. Hmm. I said, oh really interesting. So I think half a kilo. It's like 120. Ml. She's like cool gave a 120 line, but I got I got the half kilo and it's brilliant. I mean that that that is this going from Singapore to Laos really so different, you know, kilo half kilo half, you know 120 US dollars, right? And it was and it was good. I mean it was it was a cured perfectly but I mean it was it was great. I mean it was so cheap so that you know the two Streams, I'm not saying that louses also you get in trouble if you get caught but you can you know, pay the police off there and that yeah, right. I don't I'm not conduct. I'm not encouraging people to do this stunt. This isn't telling you what I've been doing in that story. Yeah. Well, I think one kilo is what a little over two pounds right? I think I think you should know that so if you had like a half a kilo so you bought a pound of weed. Yeah hundred twenty bucks. Yeah. Holy shit amazing, right? Yeah, right. Right. So I mean, I don't know. I mean just can't believe it so you can I mean and listen I'm not I'm not advocating this for my listeners, but you can buy weed right you can buy cannabis in Laos bring it to Singapore and probably make a fortune perhaps. Yeah people do it. But the thing is in Singapore anything under 500 over 500 grams is death. Really? Yeah, so I think it was like a you know One of them is like Saudi Arabia kind of, you know straight into the strict strictness in that, you know, so yeah, so people what the people do though, they bring it through Malaysia. So he saw from Thailand. Amasian Laos they do do it, but it's so controlled. I mean it's so it's so dangerous really but it's such a different part of the world. I mean, I was in the Philippines as well Philippians recently change with the new the new guy in charge over there. He's totally eradicated lot of the drug, but you know, we could you could get cancer quite easily over there five years ago. But you know the thing about Asia though, it's such a beautiful place ma'am. I just smoke you've got the tropical weather relaxed atmosphere there the oh, you know, the beach is the jungles. It's so good amount of smoke there and so good friend of mine. Again. The guy I play a lot of video games them online. He's in Canada is a good friend of mine. He lived in Japan with me. Hmm and it's interesting talking to him about about old times and also about like his time in Canada now, you know, like how you can order it to, you know mail order to his house and stuff is pretty cool. Mmm, those heroes are growing. I said we just chat go and he's after in Northern Alberta, which is totally different place again. Yeah. Yeah interesting. Well, yeah. Yeah, I mean pine me one thing. I'm curious about me. Why and I mean you don't have to tell me but I mean why have you live in so many different countries? Like what's the yeah, we're behind there. Yeah. Well, I grew up in in Germany because my parents walked over there and I just never I wish I went at friends all over the world. So I thought you know, I mean a type of job that I can do that with so, you know, I get I get posted in different parts of the world for at least three or four years in each Place usually mmm, and I just love I love traveling my I love meeting new people. I love experience in different parts of the world. I mean it was it sounds funny but it's a bit of a culture shock for me even now coming back to Europe after so long though, you know, it's just such a different place. But um, I really like the lifestyle there and and ya know just interested. I'm really interested in traveling to South America Next. I'm not being there before really well, so I'm thinking Going just just just chill out and figuring out check out Columbia. Maybe yeah, Colombia Colombia. I mean, although I wouldn't go to I wouldn't go to a vet Venezuela Venezuela right now shit going on down there. Yeah, that's fine. But like yeah. No, I'm thinking of Columbia, maybe Peru Brazil and living in Portugal lot of my mates here. There's a strong connections with Brazil sure, so, It's like, you know cheap a cheap route to get there. So yeah now I'm I really enjoy enjoy traveling and meeting people and learning about new places. And yeah, man, it's different the world's a big place, you know? Yes, it is indeed. There's no no doubt about that. It's a massively huge place. But you know, yeah, that's part of the that's part of the fun. I mean and I mean in terms of like, yeah. Well, I mean, I know you've kind of talked about this but like in terms of the cultures in terms of cultures and cannabis, it's mmm, it's quite it It's quite different from country to Country. Yeah, I mean, I you got Japan in Japan makes the mind or into there's a big cannabis culture in Japan is no it's illegal. Like they still have the whole the whole long in the festival. They don't smoke. They're not smoking it or not. Like they do in some countries, but the openly obviously the definitely is a big kind of right, you know, it's based around like dancehall and reggae as well some of it so it's like that kind of Japanese sort of street street. / it's run its called of conversation. They really cool people. I'll Philippines. It was a bit more year sort of hidden. In Laos dozen more and that and Cambodia and Vietnam easy, man. They'll cut cook with it. They've used it for a long time, but it's just it's always been illegal. Right? Right. So, you know, I mean lately it has and then here another Indonesia another place difficult again more difficult with the laws their career that now so recently Korea South Korea and Thailand of oh are going to be legalizing medicinal cannabis, which is interesting. Which is huge I was really surprised to hear that that me that news from those countries and Malaysia or talk about it to the yeah. I know it's just it is thing is it's because you know, it's bitch so much has produced over there. So it's really interesting and we're living in Portugal. I'm so close to Morocco some tempted to go over to Morocco and check out the hash making their you know in the mountains there is so interesting that have you ever heard of a gentleman called French cannoli. You know, you know that is well. He's a he's a he's been on my shows on my show about like lat and I think at the end of last summer he's you know, he's the guy that I pretty much reinvented hash making I did a interview with him. I said, I'm going to lose the match that find that right. It's he's I will say this a he does have a heavy French accent. So you might you know, I mean, I think you yes, I'm us what he's saying. I mean is and even if you can't I just, you know, just To YouTube and type in French French cannoli. Okay, and also he has an Instagram to you can type in French cannoli. You can check them out follow them. He's a he's a very knowledgeable. He's very knowledgeable guy in terms of hash making so yeah man French cannoli, I with a see right, right? Yes. Yeah, I believe it's yeah, I've got it. Yeah, but it now just follow it in a cool place whenever I got a nice very fun of my computer so I can do that now. Yeah that you heard about him on the cheap homegirl podcast. Okay. Sure. I will do mine. Yeah, definitely, you know. Hey like Drop, you know drop some names. Why not? Right? Yeah, and I think your focus is brilliant man. I really enjoyed the panel. I love listening to you guys talking this I like I was excited to see there's like five different episodes of you abandon you right recently. Yeah. That's that's really cool. So it's just nice to his long and like yeah, it really is interested in you know, edgy. I guess it's good for me to listen to it and here Definitely a part of you and stuff. You know, we gotta we gotta we have a we have a very diverse crowd and it's funny because all of my panel members are individuals that have come on my podcast. So I mean these are these are guys and gals that I know pretty well and you know, I'm like, you know, hey, you know, let's do a live show it actually it wasn't even my idea. It was it was my it was my friend Sean his idea and Shug, you know, just as a plug he can be found on. Instagram at skill bo1 and right if you want. Yeah, you know, go ahead, you know, go there and follow them, you know skill bo1 and he's like I'm talking to me like I owe you no change to just do a live show. I'm like what the fuck is a live show like, you know, like what the hell is that and blah blah blah and I'm like, all right. Now, let's just do it. Fuck it. You know, why not? Yeah, and yeah, it's been it's been a pretty pretty good a pretty good success on. I think people like it. I mean is it? Yeah, sorry like it right. I mean is it incredibly professional per se? I'll be honest with you. Not really. I'm not like in a fucking Studio. I'm Justin. Yeah pewter but you know some people seem to like it so, you know, why not? Yeah. No, I think it's pretty neat because it's you know, it's organic isn't it's not all stage. It's just you guys chatting and it's just nice to always feel like my part of the conversation. Sometimes you know, right? He's cool. Yeah, man, I'm glad you do. I'm glad you I mean I enjoy yeah. Yeah, but listen, let's and I know you've talked about your favorite strains, right and yeah currently growing I mean, you know, if you want to talk a little bit more about that. That's fine. I don't have a problem with that. And and also what I would like to excuse me, what I would also like to talk about is your future grows and I guess you're possible YouTube channel that oh, yeah, you might want to I guess build out. So yeah. Yeah cool. Well, yeah, but yeah, so like I said earlier that my last Hazel of different types of haze. I'm really loves that either. You know, it's so like I don't I'm not big on though their body high too much. I do like the head high more butts. I'm looking at some orange some orange might as well just for the and this kid is old school and I used to smoke it when I was a teenager, that'd be cool to smoke again. And then I've got like I said earlier the fast bad stuff. They sent me Mexican Airlines. Cookie cream cookies and I think Amnesia, hey, silver hazier. And again, like I said, I'm some Acapulco Gold which I made in Canada keeps recommend. He says it's one of the best so I'm not tried that before. I think we never know if it was actually that or not so that be cool to do and then yeah, so basically a good friend of mine here who's also a grower. We went to spannabis together that that big conference in Barcelona couple weeks ago. Brilliant guy, man. We always talking about staff are He's really knowledgeable. He's actually a scientist. So okay. He like he's really into the whole devices when we're big fans of the packs vaporizer packs 300. That's a familiar with that one. That's that's my favorite one. So, you know, we met them a couple weeks ago in the spannabis event and others. Okay. Yeah. It's like this painting also Spain and kind of this kind of play on that and I've you know, it was a yeah. Yes. And so yeah, he's where basically we're working together now. Now he we want to make a four hour for my sponsorships and the test crowing we're going to use our the grow Diaries.com website, which is really interesting. Okay to document the grow, but also we're going to make a YouTube channel about just as various stages of growing Autos basically like how to germinate well, you know different techniques I've learned that a month before a while. I was getting pissed off with the germination thing, you know, because it's frustrating when it doesn't pop and it's just like so gone through so many but now I've got I've sort of you know, sort of got A good way of doing it that's reliable now, so I'm getting like eighty percent germination rates, which is good. Okay. Well and yeah, that's really cool. So I use that I use the water. I just put in water for like 48 hours or so, maybe three days as soon as that little towel comes out you put it in the soil under the line it goes in a so that things like that. So basically make little videos and promote and then promote the seeds as well. So really sort of document what we're doing really document the grows and promote the strains. As well and just said you're trying to just pass on what we are learning. I'm not in no way all about you know, I'm just kind of feel like I'm a beginner, you know, I mean, I I've just said I've been around cannabis my whole life and then smoking cannabis for like as long as I can remember but growing it's relatively a new you know new things for me, even though I understand feel like I understand, you know, they're you know, what everything else apart from that, you know, I'm really trying to learn that's why I'm so into it and made that YouTube channel to sort of get the message across. How people would like people like me, you know who want you reading millions of websites. You just want sort of a go-to place, you know sure to get that information and this make it fun as well. You know, so like you might make my mates really is America - he's from Chicago. So it's good hanging out with him and talking to him and yeah stockings fun man talking shop talking cannabis, man. Yeah, man. Yeah, it's like that. Hopefully the couple of months, you know that be up and I'll promote it on Instagram Yeah. Well, yeah, I mean any idea what it will be called because if you do Can you can promote it here on this and this podcast? Yeah. Yeah. I'm not really thought too much about that. But I'd definitely be under the the product farmer kind of idea, you know, so the pipeline will be there but you have to think about that it just that we just started talking about the other day and he's really up for it. So it's always good when you got someone else doing it with you know, hmm, because obviously like it's hot. So we've all got jobs. We've all got things to do with basically, you know, I mean and so that we won't have some fun with some friends helping us really help support each other, right? All right. And even even with me in this podcast, I mean I have I don't I don't make any money, you know doing this I make absolutely nothing. You know, I'm but it would be nice to like, you know, hey, you know, yeah, I'll be your sponsor know you want to get paid x amount of dollars per show. Absolutely. Yes money. You know that one. I think yeah, I think that working. Yeah. Sorry, that's true. But that work and helps you not. I mean, I think I think these kind of things like I mean, I really I'll put my I'm going to be trying out your show for sure on how much Channels now, thank you man. Yeah, and that's cool, man, and I've got some other good ones, I guess until I'm but I'm going to really so I think I think people you know, I find it useful. I just enjoy this into and I think the market still got places for this and you know, if it grows you never know what happened money. I mean, it could go and get bigger as well. Right? Yeah. Hey Moe Cason that definitely I mean why not right. Let me hopefully yeah huge. I mean hopefully on the next Joe Rogan. Yeah exactly exactly. Yeah, right. Yeah. I'm he may I mean, I don't know what he gets paid, but I'm sure he knows I'm a I'm sure he does extremely well. Yeah, I enjoyed these funny. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah last night which is good. Oh the yeah, I didn't listen. I did not listen to add to or that one though. I know it's funny. I usually watch him on YouTube. I don't listen to his podcast. Well, I'm well, I watch his podcast on YouTube. I don't ya I don't listen to him which is kind of weird. But you know, whatever. I mean as long as you're yeah, yeah, as long as you're you know, I guess consuming his stuff it I don't care. I don't I don't think he cares how you either listen or watch them. As long as you're doing it then that's all that matters. Yeah exactly. I bought you one with that with Jake the Snake Roberts wws, you know back in the day and he's on there, you know school going on. It's plain to see that so yeah and Mike Tyson was on there and very cool then Smashing Pumpkins singing. I was cool man. I like that the exact yeah. Yeah. He's got a good The good lineup. Yeah, and you know something um ponic I know let's do this. Let's go back to growing a little because I wanted to ask this question just popped into my head. Yeah. And that question is this what what's either one or a few things you do not like about growing automatics. Okay, I'd say sometimes they flower too soon like so you put it in, you know three weeks. You're looking at sometimes three three and a half weeks. They're starting to flower. And sometimes it can be like, you know, half a soft of grin you think now, I mean you get stretch anyway when it flowers, but I feel like it's nice to be able to control that veg time. So you can kind of you know choose when you want to go into flour then you know, there's going to be a stretch but with Autos you don't have as much control over to say on that side of it. So I feel like it can I think people you know that you lack a bit of control with it somehow because of that. The the training like the the topping again. I'm not knowledgeable about that because I would try out on them though. But again, I know it takes a long time to sort of get over the shock transplanting as well. So let's find my mum was over my mom and dad were over the other day last night. And my mom said do you mind if I have two plants my Outsource? She's gotten that most outdoor Garden, you know the country of this Edition class of flowers. And so I could have one of her plants while the auto supply outside. She's going to I told her not to transplant it though, so she's going to put It and leave it in the silent see that I'm interested to see what happens with it. She's not going to pH the water anything like that. She's just going to like Let It Go and actually yeah because but the thing is I thought to myself. Oh, it's not it's not going to snow. Of course it will because it's not insane. So there's a couple of weeks and see how it's going. So, yeah, it's funny because my parents obviously lived in like the 60s and 70s, right? So, you know all that stuff and there they know I'm growing in that and then they decide that you want me to be careful that it's interesting that Educate them about it too and how it's changing and how the industry you know is getting getting bigger and just give me about that time. It's all legalized man. It's all about money. And in of them all these laws and that, you know, they want to want to control you. They want to control everything. Yeah. Yeah, you know, it's just it's just a plant with its a seed and soil and or I mean, I don't know if you say so I mean it, you know, I mean a lot of my lot of my listeners they they Grow hydroponically, so, you know, I mean, it's you know, I mean, whatever Medium you're in at the end of the day all it is is water either. So yeah, and yeah and Seed exactly and it's natural and it's nature, you know, there's no there's no processing of it. We just cut it off and dry it and smoke it. You know, I mean, it's not like you making cocaine rather than we do. It's another set of stuff into it. So it's like, you know, this is to put your natural and it's medicine. I mean it's now the science is coming. So many examples of it helping people with all kinds of you know pain and anxiety and you know, absolutely yeah, so it's yeah and I think I think there's a lot I think it's definitely going to be Hugh what's getting huge now. I'm interested to see in America if I federally legalize it, right? Yeah, which is it here if they do that and that's a big deal or not. I don't know like right. Well, yeah, I mean, I don't know what's going to happen there. I don't know. I think yeah, who knows, you know? Hmm. It's I guess we'll see only time. Will tell right. I mean, I think eventually we'll probably will happen or you know, maybe they'll maybe they they may not legalize it but the maybe they will D schedule it perhaps because it's okay. Yeah schedule one which is on which means that it's on par with you know that yeah, right like cocaine and what have you yeah far as I know so maybe they'll wait and see right like reschedule the drug perhaps I mean I again I don't I don't really know. Yeah, but Mr. Pathak, you know, I guess I guess ending off this podcast and really this is a question that I like to ask everybody that comes on the show. You know, I mean, are there any questions that I should be asking in are there any final statements that you would like to make? Yeah, just enjoying it like as a hobby. I went through some stages when I was saying up and I was researching and things weren't going like I thought and I kind of felt like defeated sometimes and I was growing in her in the early stages. Like, you know, I'll be like can I do this? Like I'm following, you know you I'm so used to like using technology that like, I'm you know, if I follow this instruction it will work like it should you know, I was like hoping it'll be like by the book after season. I'll you know, I mean it's nature. So like just don't give up on it. If you're new to it, you know, I mean to keep trying it's you know, it's actually not that Bloody hard to grow weed to be honest, but to grow good we I think it's quite a challenge, you know, if you the It's in the water using filtration light cycles everything that I like and trying to get an understanding and dialing dialing in like the system. Are they say right dialing in your grow room dialing in the new styling in the water everything and I think it's just practice like anything, you know, like musical instrument. I've got out, you know, practicing and sticking with it and not being passed by by things that you know learn from your problem. I when I when that that whole crop yield on me, I was devastated now 11 weeks a hard. Work and I was gone, you know, but you know, I thought you know what fuck it I learned from this man. I'm running I'm not gonna make it. I turn I'm gonna remove that red layer was that I don't know if it was the genetics or not. But yeah, so that gets ya don't get put off by it, especially when you're first starting it spend a bit of time setting up then I'd spend a lot of money and just and just like, you know, just get into it and love it and you get rewarded for sure Bill like I did that earlier today. Yeah, right in the right right one. I you know, I have I have Got to ask this question. I'm out of my sight few of my latest podcast and you know and a few people have come at me and they're like, hey, man, you could ask this question. And that question is how much I mean since my podcast is called cheap home grow right Sheep Home grow. Mmm. How much does it cost you to grow? How much does it cost you to run your grow setup? Would you say per month? So bearing in mind that electricity here in Port Charles very expensive, but I'm running the Asylum running like two tenths right? I'm going to tends to other these like to fans to admit to everything. It's cost me around a hundred and hundred 25 US dollars a month to run that. Okay. All right. I don't know how much that compared to over there. But like, you know, let's just leave quite expensive here. But at the same time, you know, it's so worth it. It's not just a yield that I'm not I'm not into the whole yield thing. And I mean I obviously want good yield but I want good quality on this one has fun with it and enjoy it as a hobby. But yeah, you can do it cheap I mean You can get the cheap tense cheaper tents and then you can get you can get a lot of Chinese LED. I'm not you know, there's a lot of Hit and Miss with that. I mean there's a lot of chatter about the cheap LED is it worth it? But yeah, I mean you can set yourself up with that Chief an intake even need an intake fan. And if you got a small setup, you know, just keep a paper something on the 10th hole in the tent open up the whole. Yeah. So around a hundred twenty five hundred fifty years the US dollars a month and paying in in basically a I buy the new state cost me a bit. They running over months, you know, I mean exactly. Yeah, they'll I mean if you I mean depending on how how much you feel demeaned and that's your last year at the very least a couple of rounds at least. I mean, yeah, exactly exactly and like, you know, exactly and then you know, the thing is that what you're harvesting. It's just I mean here the Portugal you're paying like, you know off the street you're paying like maybe six euros a gram. Mmm six years of gram, which is about Yeah, - 650 US dollars a gram of amount of Compares over there but it adds up. You know, it does does that up man? I really does it's you know, I mean, that's nice. I mean growing your own if you get it even somewhat dialed in I mean, it's so much cheaper than yeah than buying either, you know from either off the street or buying. Yeah may you know from a local dispensary. It's you know, if you don't do it yourself, you don't ya a little bit of work. You're good to go. Yeah. I know. No need to always training. You can just leave it as you know, just leave me even don't even defoliating laughter. You just leave them completely. Obviously, it's going to block some of the bad sites, you know with this with the bit leaves in that but you know, if you can still get good yield of that sure sure. I think they've improved over the years to be honest, right? Yeah the Autos right there, the the genetics have improved quite a bit. So that's yeah, that's certainly a very a very good thing for sure. Definitely. Yeah. All right. Well, you know for you listeners out there I encourage you to to follow ponic underscore forum' that's poni see underscore fa rmer ponic underscore farmer. He is quite a a student of cannabis. That's for sure. He is growing his own he is a good guy smart guy, you know, it's been all over the world at the time of Recording he has over 5,000 followers. That's that I got to say man for a independent Growers. That's quite a bit so good for you man. Excellent Yeah, man. So, you know, thanks man. I appreciate I really appreciate you being you know, they talking to you man. I really really a big fan of your show that some in I'm listening tent the all the time with this. I thought I'd be without you know, it's been a really interesting man talking to you and I'm going to continue promoting what you do as well and yeah really cute. Keep it up now because it's really good. And I really enjoy thank you, sir. I do. I really do appreciate that man. I really do. It. Looks like it's very it's very encouraging to hear. I'm getting more and more messages per day and you know, it's it's, you know, it's reassuring in a sense, you know that at least you know, I'm touching, you know, somebody and yeah, that's right. Yeah, it's really really really good man. Yeah. Definitely. I'm really enjoying it very much. You know when you get frustrated with something you motivates you to listen to what you guys, you know, people are saying and really cool. All right, man. We'll listen. I appreciate you coming on the show. And you know, I hope to talk to you again soon. Yeah. Thanks so much. Hello Jeep homegrown Nation. Thanks for listening to my podcast with panic. He can be found on Instagram at ponic underscore farmer. That's poni see Your farmer Farr mer I encourage you to go to cheap home grow.com / episode 69 to see photos of his current grow. I hope you've enjoyed this episode. And please remember to press the Subscribe button and leave a review. I look forward to talking with you next Tuesday. 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On today's show, I have Ponic. Ponic can be found on Instagram @ponic_farmer. He's a European cannabis grower and he reached out to me a few weeks ago and said he thinks he can contribute to the show and after talking with him, I agreed. He comes on the show today to talk about autoflowers and why he enjoys growing them. This podcast episode topics are wide-ranging. We not only talk about growing autoflowers but we'll talk about his grow room setup, lighting, stress training and a few of his interesting cannabis stories when he lived in Asia. This podcast was a lot of fun and I look forward to having ponic on the podcast in the future. Please rate, review and subscribe and enjoy the show!

All right, welcome to another edition of the IEP Corner. My name is Justin varns. You can follow me on Twitter at down with IDP with me as always is my cohort mister.Thomas Simon's how you doing today to house? Great. Justin my friend. How are you doing doing well glad to be working with you again this year worth in fantasy free agents.com. You want to follow a follow articles and and our rankings and everything up there as well as obviously we're going to be doing weekly podcast throughout the season so far. We've been mainly just hitting, you know, a lot of deep Dives on all the fantasy values for basically idt's for any defense. You can go back and go through our AFC. And NFC previews also had some great guest spots from Cincinnati Bengals Joe good Barry as well as been finalized covered helped us cover a lot of an FLL teams Thomas. We're gonna start off with some news and notes. The latest news. Was that Micah Kiser linebacker for the Rams. He had a he just underwent surgery on his pecs on Tuesday and is out indefinitely. He was supposed to fill in for Mark Baron. We already liked Cory Littleton quite a bit. But Kaiser was definitely supposed to help out next to Littleton. We got a handful of players that should fill in. Yeah, Bryce Hagar and traven Howard are a couple of the guys that might be competing. I'm as you mention Cory Littleton is probably going to see his in his value Rises. You may even see Clay Matthews slide inside a little bit more than we had planned on or but the Rams had planned on and Wade Phillips speaking of injuries, two three, four inside linebackers with Avery Williamson getting knocked out of the Jets line up with a torn ACL. They're looking to fill that spot. They did sign veteran Stefan Anthony. I'm not sure how big of a role he is going to fill their but I do know obviously he is familiar with Adam gase. They work together in Miami, but obviously, this is a Similar to Cory Littleton, this is going to move both little clay and CJ Mosley up in our ranks a little bit. How do you see that playing out next to next to CJ Mosley there in New York? Well, they also signed album McClellan former Raven. So Anthony and McClellan will probably battle Neville Hewitt Who currently is situated at the starting inside linebacker job next to Mosley. That's not a guarantee William. Essence torn ACL is huge. And that means that Mosley while Mosley's value does rise. We're concerned a little bit about the fact that he is going. He already has an injury history himself. So recent one at least and if he goes down that Jets defense goes from really good Jets defense to a really bad Jets defense in the snap of a finger. It's going to be a battle between Anthony McClellan and Hewitt to see who Starts next to Mosley. So I'm currently in Cancun Mexico and I have this awesome hotel room, but it's right next to the pool. And I don't know what they're doing at the pool right now. They are having a par-tay. So if you hear a bunch of Spanish getting spoken behind me and splashing and yelling, I promise I have nothing to do with that. So we write at least as soon as this podcast is over all bets are off. Hard working hard at work. We got it Dallas Cowboys coming off the injury list and also got an extension for Jaylon Smith. They signed him to a five-year 64 million extension. So they definitely plan on him and Layton Vander Ash anchoring that defense. Also Tyrone Tyrone Crawford and Demarcus Lawrence as was expected have both come up the pupp and So they're both looking like they're going to be able to hit the ground running with the dolphins like dolphins with the Cowboys but speaking of the Dolphins there's news came out of the mire mayor Miami Herald that the Miami Herald is very Jackson. They're not he's not predicting that Kiko Alonso linebacker. There is a lock to make the 53-man roster right now. I don't I'm not that dramatic about it. I still think he's got plenty of value for although I know. Oh, there is some cap issue there that they're dealing with but really what this does for me is it it makes me even more confident that Jerome Baker is is got a ton of upside there and also Sammy gravano as well. I think yeah, I agree even if Alonso does get released. He's likely going to land on his feet somewhere. But the fact that there is this discussion that he may not make the 53-man roster is a little bit Rising and also sees Alonzo stock just drop like a brick and water. I think that egg will bones performance during the training camp has situated himself to a starter status and they also still have raquan McMillan to they could slide McMillan out to Alonso spot if they wanted to it's a fluid situation and there is no guarantee for Alonzo. This is happening. Budget it's not it's not this is not brand new developments here where we have some of these players who have been injured a lot in the in the preseason and they're losing valuable snaps to younger cheaper players and it doesn't take much for a team to go. Well, if we this have this young kid, we're paying him peanuts and he's doing just as good of a job as his better in this cost us millions and and it you know, it shows you how important this to stay healthy. As both McMillan and Alonso haven't seen much of the playing field in the preseason and and these and Baker are going to have really taken off and it can really change the landscape of this defense last thing I've got on you've got a few others Thomas is just an update on Derwin James safety out of Los Angeles for the Chargers. It looks like his foot injury is a little worse than they thought and then expecting him to miss somewhere between three and four months so likely we will see see him later in the season, but I think we're kind of in Jason pierre-paul mode with him, which is that if you can possibly stash him great otherwise somebody just hopefully you can pick up way later to season but it's certainly time to take James off of your draftable lists. Yeah, that's a stress fracture that he's dealing with and he's having surgery on it. And when you look at his Replacements, you've got a couple of guys Adrian Phillips is most likely going Be the starter right out of the gate, but you're going to see Rayshawn Jenkins might see a spike in his fantasy stats and you may even see the rookie Nasir Adderley coming in and getting some snaps. There's a situation where you have a rookie getting a rookie salary who may see more playing time because then they don't have to pay somebody to come in, you know a veteran which will cost them a lot more to fill in for James until he returns. Now as far as there's other notes news and notes that we talked we haven't talked about. One of them is Linville Joseph. He was been cleared for team drills following an offseason upper body surgery. He had some form of an upper body issue that he had surgery around but he's been cleared for a team drills at least Tyrann Mathieu is dealing with a shoulder issue that he heard the chief second preseason game, but doesn't appear to be a really serious injury and Ed Oliver on Buffalo the rookie. Defensive tackle has moved into the starting lineup as he's climbed over Jordan Phillips. Yeah, I know we have were have been expecting that news for a while and there was a little bit of bad news coming out of the very beginning of training camp that he was slow to get moving but I don't think you were I were remotely worried about him. Eventually earn a spot is just a matter of when not if and it's just it's what it really is is it certainly helps us who still have some drafts ahead of them to feel a little bit more confident about I'll grab about grabbing Oliver the he has officially moved up there and he's not going to How have a slow climb to that starting job? So I think we're going to dive in now to some draft strategy. What's tricky about IDP? Is there so many League sizes to cover so much scoring variance. And so we're going to kind of break it up. I'm going to focus on on your traditional drafts and some of those league league sizes Thomas. I know you're going to get us started off with talking about auctions and also just doing a little bit of Breakdown of some general or fundamental IDP things. We should be considering when it comes to two giraffes and season. So you want to get us started Thomas. What's up listeners? This has been kookiness producer of the fantasy free agents podcast on anchor FM podcasting. I've been producing podcast and chose for my friends and colleagues Joe Dolan and Tom Bradley for years now. So when we decided to start the fantasy free agents podcast, it was imperative. We find a hosting platform an app that was easy to use Quick to record and post and track our stats. That's exactly what we found in Anchor. It's the easiest way to make a podcast and gives you everything you need in one place from either your phone or your computer. Their creation. 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We think it's necessary for many of you to hear what other IDP owners might plan for strategies and auctions and drafts one of the first steps in creating a successful foundation for your draft or auction is to have a total grasp of your league scoring format while it may not seem like a big deal. On nuances in your league scoring will definitely change your thought process and strategy heading into any draft or auction leagues will favor either tackles or big plays or they'll try and balance the two out in most leagues tackles are solos in the sis while big plays our sacks ints forced fumbles fumble recoveries and passes defended knowing what statistics your league favors is critical to your success and choosing the best players available as well as building a solid foundation that is made to last. injuries and by weeks if a league favors tackles way more than big plays then linebackers and safeties tend to dominate the league in scoring if big Bleak plays scuse me of big plays are heavily favored over tackles than defensive lineman and cornerbacks tend to rise to the top of the league scoring an example of this in any given week is a linebacker who gets five solos and two assists compared to a cornerback who has two solos in an INT and a PD or a defensive end that has to Solos in a sack and a tackle heavy League the linebacker gets 12 points and maybe even bonus points for five solos. Whereas the cornerback and defensive end Come Away with five nine points depending on whether ints and sacks are two or four points each in contrast a big play driven League reverses the fantasy value a cornerback or defensive end could easily Come Away with eight to ten points while the linebacker struggles to reach six points in a big play Heavy scoring. Think of it this way in the league that rewards six points for a sack or I and T and only one point for a solo tackle a cornerback picks off a pass in the defensive end gets a sack in the first quarter both idps Come Away with seven points each on that one play barring any additional big Play points involved such as fumble recoveries or TD's a linebacker would need to Total seven solos in order to tie the fantasy points of those two players that they got on that one. And play you can see how cornerbacks and defensive ends as well as Edge watching linebackers like Khalil. Mac are huge in big play Heavy scoring leagues. Now, if big plays are only four points while solos are still one point a linebacker still needs five solos to equal the one play of the cornerback or defensive end as tackle points go up and big Play points go down linebacker start dominating League scoring now, there are two ways for your league owners to acquire fantasy. The two basic ways of acquiring Talent OR through a draft or an auction. Each way has multiple versions or divide diverse options to do this leagues can be very simple to very complex legal requirements. There is a simplistic defensive lineman linebacker DB or 3. DB has three IDP lineup. There's the defensive end defensive tackle linebacker DB or for IDP lineup and you can also go to a defensive end defensive tackle linebacker cornerback safety or five I P line up now, there are 11 starter line up allows you to choose different schemes such as a 4-3 or three four or five to a nickel a dime and so on and so forth. These are normally experience IDP owners. Who do these rare 11 starter lineups. Now, there are many types of drafts and I'll let Justin delve deeper into those the same is true with auctions you have live auctions when they're usually short clock driven and done in less than a day. Sometimes. It's one minute or two minutes per pick. And you can usually get them done in anywhere between an hour and three hours email auctions are clock driven as well. And there are a lot longer for completion. Sometimes it takes five ten days to complete sometimes even more depending on how big that clock is whether it's 12 hours or 24 hours. There is also a blind auction which is where you submit a blind bid in the highest bidder wins. And this one takes forever can be quite boring, but they're in then there's other leagues that combine some of these Options in even add other ways to acquire Talent give you an example. I'm in a league called hardcore fantasy Invitational and it has 22, excuse me, 28 to 33 offensive and defensive players. They're all under contract with a 30 million cap. There's two auctions a draft and waivers before the season even starts. The first auction is an RFA auction or restricted free agent off at auction. And this is where we tag three. Offensive players and three different three defensive players and they go to an auction. And in this auction, it's their players are been on and you either match the bid or you get compensation if you want to turn the play or over to whoever won the bid then you have a UEFA auction unrestricted free agent auction. That's a we're all the remaining free agents with one or more years in the NFL are bid on we come up with a rookie and Veteran draft shortly thereafter. This is where the rookies on in the NFL for the first time or drafted in there giving contracts or veterans who weren't taken in the who weren't tagged or taken in the UEFA auction are available to be drafted here and they don't carry a contract at all on the more simplistic and I'm also in the league a local League that dipped their toe into the IDP Pain by adding an eye IDP player of any position to their league and that has been exclusively offensive players is now now adding one IDP position now in every auction you have you need to compile a budget leagues will allow a budget of a hundred or two hundred to spend on players during the auction. Some are 50 summer home 150 mind you these are not real dollars, but they're rather fake monetary units or Sim bucks. Once you have a good handle on scoring and the snow which IDP positions float towards the top of your league. I would try to look at past. Actions to see if there are any Tendencies of the fantasy owners and look at the previous League champion rosters to see what they spent on key players. This is not mandatory for success, but it does help increase the probability knowing who spends chunks of their budget on a few players and who is conservative are the type of things that would help you make decisions your own decisions. Now, I normally do an Excel spreadsheet that lists all the positions that I need. I have to come away with from this particular auction. So this includes players and starters and bench players for me. This is a major step in an auction process. I try and stick to the budget as closely as possible. But I do allow myself to deviate at certain times and go higher than budgeted. This is especially true in an auction when I'm targeting the top 15 or 20 idps. One of the strategies. I like to implore or employee in an auction is to seek out the best player available yet. I also like to Target. In positions but doing so without compromising the best player available approach. This can get tricky as you walk a tightrope and doing so I'm always looking for high potential and high reward players when a decision has to be made between a few players. The my first tiebreaker sort of speak is to evaluate high-reward potential players reality of scuse me reliability is also a key factor when trying to choose between multiple players. Now with the help of sites like fantasy free agents.com you hopefully are up-to-date on player news with that in mind you now are keen on injury and player news and have a handle on your league scoring and know which positions have the best fantasy value in your league. You might know the auction Tendencies of other fantasy owners in the league from previous auctions, and you've compiled a budget you're ready to begin your auction. Now ancient philosopher heraclitus once said everything changes but change itself. This is so true in fantasy football auctions. No matter how prepared you are things will happen that change the course of your strategy the key to success is to withstand these changes and try to achieve the strategy you began with I could sit here for another hour and talk about different IDP position strategies Ad nauseam and full detail instead of reviewing the numerous plans of action. Could take I think it's best to supply you with key items. I take into consideration prior to and during an auction a few phrases that stick out to me are snap counts annual fantasy scoring consistency and a dime a dozen waiver wire options pro football references an excellent free source to track snap counts snap counts are huge when you're trying to figure out who sees the field the most locating three down linebackers is key. Especially in tackle heavy scoring leaves their snap counts tend to be 90% or more defensive lineman that plays 60 percent or more of the defensive Snaps are high tiered IDP options as well. DBS are tricky when it comes to snap counts. Let's take a the the 2018 Arizona Cardinals. For example cornerback Patrick Peterson was a little over 99% of the Cardinals 1115 defensive snaps last year yet. No other Zone a cornerback took more than 27 percent of those snaps now due to the scheme that Arizona ran three of their safeties all took eighty four percent or more of those defensive snaps this changes from Team to team scheme to scheme knowing the defensive schemes heading into a season helps you project which positions will see the field most in a given year pro football reference also breaks down snap counts for each game and when a team faces the pass oriented New And Patriots linebackers 2/10 tend to disappear while dbe's tend to see more snaps and be more fantasy productive. The following week Seattle was the opponent and the linebackers fare much better than cornerbacks each opponent in every given week will govern how a defense will line up and what schemes they use and will rely on. This is a dramatic effect on your fantasy IDP lineup, you get more annual player consistency from Saks than you do IDP or excuse me ints JJ Watt Khalil, Mac Von Miller so on and so forth are more consistent giving you sacks on an annual basis while the int leader each year will post seven to nine picks the name of the leader changes every season not since this year's Hall of Fame inductee and Reed has there been an IDP who has been at the top consistently or number one overall every other year in preparation for this podcast. I went back to 2002 there is not been a repeat int leader in the past 17 Seasons. Thus Saxton tend to be more predictable than ints when choosing idps. You have to take this with a grain of salt though as your league scoring most likely gives more points two ints than sacks now cornerbacks are a dime a dozen on the waiver wire during any fantasy season cornerbacks are extremely inconsistent and unreliable shutdown corner back. Like Patrick Peterson Marcus Peters Jalen Ramsey a healthy Richard Sherman Aqib, Talib Etc are all studs in the NFL but that doesn't translate into fantasy production as opponents tend to shy away from them in any given week. Now on the other hand knowing who is a shutdown corner back and who starts opposite them is something to consider in your auction. Buffalo has a solid cornerback intraday vyas white teams tend to avoid him and thus cornerback Levi Wallace. Ooh should start opposite white will be targeted more frequently in give you more fantasy points. Even then players like Wallace will give you solid fantasy points for two weeks then disappear the next two weeks now, I like to go after a rookie or second-year cornerbacks after securing. What I feel is a solid fantasy CB1 like Marcus Lattimore Kyle Fuller or Kenny more opposing offenses will always test rookie quarterbacks early and often in the season this year. We have a slew of rookie cornerback. You should see the field often like DeAndre Baker Rock. Yes in Greedy Williams Byron Murphy and Google almond almond almond. E-excuse me, Google a Monday who are just a few you'll see the field right out of the gate and September now, this list will grow as the season unfolds. Thus cornerbacks are a dime a dozen on the waiver wire during the season. So in review here, there's a few things. You should consider in preparing for an auction. understand your league scoring thoroughly knowing the requirements for weekly lineups create a budget but be flexible as changes will take take place during the auction seek the best player available, but secure your starting lineup without compromising your best player available approach use fantasy free agents.com to Grass player news and notes and free articles and podcasts refer to snap Counts from the previous season comprehend the annual Cinci of certain fantasy scores remember cornerbacks are a dime a dozen on the waiver wire and in season so buy them later in the auction and Target rookie cornerback slate in the auction when available again, I could sit here and go on for another hour talking about auction strategies. Unfortunately, I put many of the few listeners to sleep before we even got to Justin and strategies for drafts speaking of which let's turn it over to my friend Justin take it away, buddy. Thanks Thomas. I just Posted an article on the fantasy free agents.com site about draft strategy for IDP breaking down for leaks. So I'm going to go over most of that here. I'm going to talk about how I focus on your last week. We talked about rankings and tears and broke up most of the of the three designations it about, you know, five to seven tears. But what I've noticed is that when I'm drafting this season, I actually have larger tears. I only have about two or three tears because I've looked Into how how these rotating snap counts have we've lost a lot of 3 down linebackers over the last several years as defenses are starting to become more multiple a lot more dime packages. There's been a lot more shifting around of players or lot more idps getting on the field than there used to be which is created a little bit of shift in how fantasy points are being doled out and I'm going to write a full article on That probably next week so but I'll just skip to the punchline, which is that it's more important than ever to get a high-end defensive lineman. If you need it and is less important than ever to get a quality or a high-end defensive back because of how the scoring has changed. Basically once you get past the first 10 or 15 defensive backs, which are which tend to be random every almost every single season after that. You've got about 50 defensive backs who score Within 10 to 20 fantasy points per season of each other which is, you know, somewhere between 1 and 2 fantasy points per week. So but the higher-end DLS are starting to separate themselves even more so than in the last several years and it's something similar is actually happened that way in linebackers as well. So I'm going to be drafting my second tier linebackers probably a little bit quicker than in years past and I'm definitely going to be drafting. Some of these kind of elite dlls sooner rather than later. So I'm mentioning Elite deals. What I want to do right now is give you guys these These Tears that I'm actually using when I'm drafting and I'm going to I'm going to list off the players in these tears that I find myself focusing on now, I'm going to end up skipping some players that are in our rankings and in most people's rank is just because as I see these drafts unfold I find myself constantly gravitating toward these players in these tears, so Let's start with the defensive line. The first thing is going to be these as I just mentioned these kind of elite dlls. There's about seven players who have a chance to be League winners for you every year. We have a handful of players whether it be JJ Watt, it was air and Donald last season and obviously what was involved in that as well. We've had Jason pierre-paul be this player. We've had quite a few defensive lineman who just who can almost lap the field in their fantasy production. They just put together a ridiculous season and I want I want a crack at that type of player because if one of these Elite deals fall short of that of that sort of like League winning two to three fantasy points per game outpacing their fellow defensive lineman the Downs the the the worst-case scenario for these Health assumed is still going to be a solid dl1. So those Elite dlsr and nobody on this list should shock anybody who's listening to this? They are Aaron Donald J. A wop Joey Bosa miles Garrett. Danil Hunter Cameron, Jordan and Demarcus Lawrence in most of my drafts. I want to leave with one of those seven players if I need more than one defensive lineman, or I'm in a draft where where it didn't make sense for me to grab one of those for a handful of reasons, which we'll get into then there's another section of solid defensive lineman that I'm also completely happy with getting and I might get two of these instead of one Elite DL if I didn't get a chance to if I missed getting one of those Elite deals the solid defensive lineman for me this season our and this is going to be a mix of defensive tackles and defensive end. So think about that depending on whether you are in ADT required League or not. You've got DeForest Buckner colitis Campbell Frank Clark Trey flowers, Carlos Dunlap Derek Barnett Melvin, Ingram and Dominic ensue Chris Jones Hakeem Hicks, Nick Bosa and a A Vernon now if you decide to yourself, wait slow down after back up and write all those down every one of those names just as I mentioned are just as I listed them there in that article that I wrote for Fantasy free agents.com. So you can find you don't to try transcribe what I'm saying here, you can just grab that file, but I mentioned to you guys in this podcast. So every time I mention a solid DL or Elite DL you'll have an idea of the kind of players. I'm targeting for linebackers I've got Three separate settings because it Som some leagues require four and five linebacker. So I needed to have three different tiers for this the anchor line backers. The linebackers that I'm comfortable are will end up in the in the in the top ten most of the time again, assuming Health. These are players like Bobby Wagner Darius Leonard Luke Kuechly Dion Jones Tremaine Edmonds who we talked about last podcast who I think is going to make a little bit of a leap this year. Cory Littleton blatant Van Der Ash and CJ Mosley, especially since we just got the news that Avery Williamson is going to be out for the season that clears up even more room for CJ mostly on that Jets defense if I miss out on those guys or I need to pick up a second or third linebacker. Then my next here are what I call solid line backers. These linebackers aren't likely to finish in the top five either. They don't have enough big play Upside or they're not quite taking every snap or they play in a 3-4 defense where their their partner their other inside linebacker happens to be also productive and you're just going to have some swings that guys like Luke Kuechly and and Bobby Wagner don't have to deal with so these players are Blake Martinez broke Juan Smith miles Jack Levante David. Damario Davis. Devon Bush Anthony Hitchens. Jordan Hicks Todd Davis Jaylon Smith, Zach Cunningham and Kendricks and then on the back and I've got a handful of high up what I call High upside lb 3 S. These are players who we're expecting to be kind of in that lb3 is Shelby two-ish range, but from that list, there's a handful of these that I think have some pretty solid upside that could push them into the lb to and possibly LB One category if you things go their way, I don't want to take that risk for my lb1 or my lb to but I'm totally down to take it for an lb3 because I know No, if I miss on my lb3, I can pick someone up from the waiver wire that could that will likely produce at a solid level. So I want upside here. So these players for me our Kwon Alexander Devon white Jerome Baker. Jeon Brown Patrick wasu Alec Ogletree Fred Warner and Nick vigil again. All of these players could see an increase in the role this season or there's some question as to how exactly they're going to get. That they end up seeing the majority of the playing time they could quickly move up this list. And then from my last tier 4 linebackers. These are Elite pass rushers. These are your Khalil Mac Von Miller Bradley chub. TJ wat Chandler Jones, if you play in a fairly shallow League, these players are not super valuable just because if they have to compete with effect to compete with Luke Kuechly and what are they just will not put up. Up enough sacks and Tackle numbers to be, you know considered in the top 10 so often they will get bypassed but for my lb 3 + lb for even a tackle heavy leagues, I'm totally fine to take a shot at these high-end pass rushers and enjoy a couple of 2 or 3 stat games and with my other linebackers being steady tackle producers. I can weather the storm if they have a few Donuts in a row moving on to defensive. Max I have a very small list of quote-unquote elite defensive backs and the reality is more often than not I'm not drafting any of these players because of how I'm drafting the season but they do exist and they are Jamal Adams Buddha Baker Landon Collins. John Johnson the third who I think is my favorite of this group and Keanu Neal. If you need an elite defensive line a defensive back, if you're scoring heavily favors defensive backs, and you want you want that sort of game changer. Or League winner. I think these five players have the best chance at providing consistency. But also a ton of upside speaking of consistency. This next group is likely the group. I find myself drafting more and more and that is what I call Reliable defensive backs. Like they are their roles. Maybe not might not be as volatile and might not have quite the upside as a Jamal atoms or Buddha Baker, but I'm but are going to Actually produce similar fantasy value of round or two later in your draft these reliable DBS are Tyrann Mathieu Jordan poyer Harrison Smith Minka Fitzpatrick, Kevin byard, Shawn Williams and Justin Reed. Now if I need a third or a fourth defensive back I go for upside similar to what I'm going for with linebackers and similar what you would probably go for for your running back three in your wide receivers three and four upside dbe's for me this year. A lot of it has to do with their role and some of the other defensive backs around them. That would be Eddie Jackson Jonathan Abrams. Jabril Peppers Antoine Bethea TJ McDonald Rocky hacen damarious, Randall, Adrian Amos and Ronnie Harrison. I find that almost every draft I've done I'm drawing exclusively from this list and I'm pretty happy with my defensive lineup. So with those players and targets and tears in mind. Let's Down the four most common rosters if you play IDP. The first is a very shallow roster. This one is what I call one, two, three Flex positions. That means it's basically an offensive roster, but you're allowed one defensive player or maybe two or three and often it's not designated by a particular position. It's just a general IDP spot. So my DL strategy for this is I don't have one. I avoid drafting a DL in a league like this. It's tempting as it is to draft an errand on. Old or JJ Watt? They have such a hard time trying to maintain even the same fantasy value as a solid lb to they have to have just one of those amazing seasons and Aaron Donald did that last year and JJ Watt has certainly done that in the past but it really does take a lot of things to line up for that to happen. And for my money, I would rather just get similar production. I'd rather have a an average player put up the same amount of fantasy points as an elite DL and not have to worry. About the various that comes with that position. So I would rather somebody else take these Elite DLCs Superstar dlls and be comfortable drafting any of those linebackers in the middle tier So to that end, I'm looking at grabbing probably one of these solid linebackers. I might if I can if I can afford it. I might grab one of the top line backers, but every time I do a graph like this I end up with one of these solid linebackers and I'm perfectly happy with them. M so linebackers, I'm just focusing on those. You know, I find myself drafting people like, you know, Demaryius Davis or Blake Martinez or CJ Mosley because usually the Bobby Wagner's and the Luke Kuechly and stuff are gone. I'm drafting idps very very late in these leagues. I want to have four running backs four wide receivers at least what at least a quarterback and a tight end before I'm even thinking about Drafting idps and League like this and then as I talk so much about linebackers being valuable here and how important it is to avoid variance in a league like this all the more reason why you just want to avoid defensive backs at all costs. I know it would it would be great to get one of those great defensive backs who has some amazing season. But again just like with air and Donald and JJ why you don't need them in a league like this Cristian Kirk sees likely going to put up more fantasy value than 20 of the top twenty five defensive backs. So instead load up on your on your back up running backs and stuff moving on to the next level of IDP roster. These are uh, these are rosters that require you to hold a position of one defensive lineman one linebacker one defensive back. So which is a pretty common shallow league in this league. I am going to grab one of those Elite DLS. It is my priority when it comes to IDP to grab one of them. So I'm Be paying very close attention if you've got a queue and whatever software using I line up all of my Elite dlls these tears I'm talking about I will line all of them up right next to each other. So as I so I can watch them drop off that list. So after I see what and Donald and boasts ago, I see that I've got four players left if I want to grab one of those Elite DL, so I'm definitely going to try and grab one of those Elite dlls and I'm totally fine letting those top ones. Ago I find I'm drafting a lot of Cameron Jordan and danil Hunter and super happy with with those players as my 1 DL in this kind of league for linebacker again. I'm going for either the low-end anchor linebacker or the or the or the mid to high-end solid line backer. So I that leaves about 15 players to choose from so similar to the defensive line. I'm trying to draft my idps later. Later in these sorts of leagues. So I'm likely going to let the Luke Kuechly xindi on Jones's go and instead try to draft some high-ups upside offensive players. So that usually ends up with me having someone like a damario Davis or Levante David and I'm also fine if there's a run that goes on while I'm stacking up on offensive players. I'm fine if it's Patrick or wasu or CJ Mosley or even a Devon white that late in the draft. Laughs for defensive back. I'm taking my defensive back. It depends on either going to take my Kicker or my defensive back with my last pick and it's just going to be those last two rounds nowhere near before that. So I'm allowing the Landon Collins has the waivers to go instead. I'd rather pick up a Harrison Smith or even weight and get a Minka Fitzpatrick or a Shawn Williams or even adjusting read and get similar fantasy value in a draft like that. If that means I can pick up. This year's James Conner or a couple of years ago. You could have picked up some guy named David Johnson laid in the drafts as a high upside pick and you won your league because of it. So if you tried to draft Richard Jones and the guy behind you drafted David Johnson, we know how that season ended think of that as a cautionary tale and just wait as long as possible on that's on those defensive backs the next levels when we start dealing with about six to eight idps now we're talking about 2 to 3 DL Three to four linebackers two to three defensive backs in this case. I'm still drafting that Elite defensive lineman early. I think there's so much value in that player that we have yet to run across a league where I'm not focused on that and then after I grab that player I might wait a little while and get a defensive lineman in that 15 to 20 range. I find that I can wait a long time and pick up Derek Barnett or Carlos Dunlap. Those are those are Target's that I found pretty readily available. Liable for my DL 2 slot. So if I walk out of a draft with danil Hunter and Carlos Dunlap is my to dlls. I'm pleased as punch even know what that phrase means. I just know it's a phrase if I move on to linebacker strategy, I am going to want to get one of those anchor line backers if possible, but likely not one of the top ones so I'm looking at you know, like a I'm actually even fine just getting 2 solid line by line backers like a de Mayo Davis Eric. Drinks if I can get one of those low end anchor lbs. I will so we're talking about a quarry Littleton or Tremaine admins or a CJ Mosley while because I can get those usually a couple of rounds later than the key Cleese and the Leonard's and if I wait even longer, I'm actually fine getting somebody like Patrick Iguazu or Devon white as my second and or third lbs as well, but I want to try and get some some higher-end elby's out of my first and Second find up with a third linebacker in a league like this again. I might be shooting for one of those pass rushing linebackers if I can grab one defensive back strategy now that we've got two or three defensive backs. I'm still not drafting one of these until the last round remember what I talked about earlier with the the fantasy points. Whereas if you miss out on this top 10 or 15, you got about 50 players that are within one or two fantasy points per game. So if I've loaded up on if I ended up with JJ Watt and danil Hunters as my two defensive lineman and I've got CJ Mosley and Levante David and and Patrick kawasu was my three linebackers. I'm totally fine. Just grabbing any one of those 50 players as defensive backs in a leak like this because I think across the board. My team will be strong in the right spots. So those players for meme the likely going to be if I can get a Harrison Smith. I'm super happy with with that. I like him I end up getting a lot of shares of Harrison Smith. Also I can find I can get Shawn Williams a few rounds later than I should be same thing with Justin byard. But if my entire defensive back rotation ends up being a draenei most damarious Randall Rock yassen TJ McDonald jibril Peppers any of those upside DBS, I'm fine with it. That's where I will make my money is on those earlier positions. With defensive line and linebacker in a league like this and I will likely pick up half my defensive back team off the waiver wire after the first couple of weeks. So why waste draft spots on them now, let's get into a deeper League. This is a league. I kind of call these full or deep IDP leaves. This is ones that have basically 11 players. You have three or four dlls, maybe four or five linebackers three or four defensive backs and often in these leagues. You are going to have a defensive tackle. Tackle and a defensive end you're likely going to have a cornerback and a safety not just a general DP spot. I'm still focused on defensive line. Nothing has changed even these deep in the draft. I absolutely wanted to want one of those Elite dlls and are likely want to not not one but two defense solid dlls. I want to have a really strong defensive line because the top 15 defensive lineman seem to be able to separate themselves. As from the rest of the pack and I want as many of those as possible. If I get a solid deal a couple of solid deals or an elite DL in a solid deal. I'm fine if my third and or fourth line defensive lineman is a situational pass rusher if I've got a ton of consistency up front. Then I'm fine to take a situational pass rusher and ride the wave of their kind of big play experience is long as I've got enough tackles and big Play Elements out of the first couple of slots for linebackers. I am basically you want one out of each of these categories and to out of one which is I definitely want an anchor linebacker. I will get one of those Top Line backers if at all possible, I want to solid line backers and then I want one high upside lb3. I find myself in the for my third and or fourth linebackers ending up with Jerome Baker or jeon brown. I love both of those guys is upside this year, and I'm fine with my situational pass rushing, El Bebe. Like rookie rochon, Gary or possibly Whitley Whitney Whitney merciless or Lorenzo Alexander out of Buffalo. All these guys will I think provides solid lb 3 lb for production and when they blow up when rochon Gary has his first two or three sack game, I'll be there to pick it up and when he doesn't play much the next week, I think I'm okay with the top three linebackers carrying the bulk of that load finally for defensive backs. We I would probably a draft one. I'm going to try to grab one of those top 15 defensive backs before the last few rounds. So if it starts to move quickly and I start seeing the atoms and the Bakers and the Collins has come off the board quickly. I want someone out of that Elite and reliable crew. I likely will only need one out of them. So if I go if I only get Shawn Williams out of those first two categories or a Harrison Smith, I'm totally fine with that. I want also try to get like a Ronnie Harris or Adrian a most for my third and fourth defensive back. I'm just going to pick from a pool of just solid players might be a solid cornerback. Who's not a shutdown Corner could also just be a solid free safety like a, you know, a Jesse Bates or or two shot Gibson somebody like that who's not who's role this year probably won't be putting up a ton of fantasy points, but they are going to end up in that crew of 50 I'm talking about and I'm totally fine with them. So hopefully this helps you guys get a feel. I we tried Tom and I try to cover a whole bunch of ground in a very short amount of time because unlike a lot of offensive ones. Although they do have you know, PBR and Half Point PPR and 2qb League stuff like that. There's so much scoring variance and so much roster variance in IDP. So I'm hoping those bigger tears and and having an understanding of where I think you should be drafting them and reference or in relation to Other idps as well as offensive players like your backups and stuff will help you go in with a flexible enough plan, but have a have a plan in place when the time comes. All right. Hopefully that helps you guys with the drafts that are coming up Thomas and I are going to focus on anything that we see coming out of preseason week 3 that is the most important week for us in terms of trying to figure out some of these volatile roles some of these In battles and then we're also going to be looking at that cut line, which is coming up very soon. It gets August 31st, and then the claiming period on September 1st. So sometime around September 2nd, September 3rd will have a pretty clear idea of what's coming up during the week. But before right what's coming up for the regular season, but before them you guys should have a whole bunch of drafts coming up. We're hoping this episode helps with that and pretty soon. We're going to be transitioning to regular season Duty Thomas video. She wanted Before we sign off. No, I'm just glad that we got this one under, you know less than two hours. Again. That's that's a step in the right direction. We aren't putting our listeners to sleep. And for those of you we will see you shortly and until then be well and be safe you guys next time.

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When you're funding the operation or paying for it yourself take as long as you want to get it right, but if you ask other people for money to help you achieve your goals you owe it to them to deliver sooner rather than later. Helping you, navigate the music industry. Here's Rick Barker with the music industry blueprint podcast. So last night I had the pleasure of being an ad kind of a it was like a job fair, but for creatives and people in the industry to meet a whole bunch of folks at at home where I do my free Workshops the first Monday of every month if you're ever in Nashville, you could check them out or you can follow me on my Facebook page and I Stream that man alive, but I got into a conversation with a couple that I want to share with you because I think that it could benefit a lot of folks. So as we were talking I was asking about music and he was the producer she was the artist and we started talking about she brought up. She just I don't know how the conversation got here. But she says yeah, my fans are really anticipating this record. I done a Kickstarter campaign and I'm like wow. Ow, I said so how long has it been she says well, it was last March and I'm like and you still have it delivered the record and the producer jumped in right away. And he's like, what do you mean, you know, we got to get it right? It's like you know, how long does it take to build a house? I said my house was custom built by one of the best builders in Nashville in six months. He's like, well, it normally takes and I said no I said wait a minute. I said it's because they had a plan it's because they had a strategy. Because they had everything laid out. If you're just kind of if you're just kind of winging it then yeah, it's going to take you an awful long time. And and I said, well the fans aren't going to understand the fans are really, you know, they paid for something. Yeah, two months three months four months, you know, but don't be unrealistic I said and if you're going to have to go longer it's up to you to say something before they start dictating. The conversation and what I mean by that is if the person who's angry is the one dictating the conversation that's what all the new people get to see that are coming into the conversation. They get to see that this person feels that they were wrong, you know, this isn't really good for your brand. So what you want to do is give them consistent updates you want to be honest. You want to show them if it's taking you longer to write the songs. Tell them it's taking you longer to write. The songs quite honestly in the first place. You should not start taking money to reveal those who the Monies to record the project. Okay, so that means you should have all the preparation done ahead of time. That means the song should be written. You should have been playing them online. You should be playing them. It shows you should be seeing which ones resonate with the audience. You should make sure that you're going in to record the write songs because the recording process itself should not take a year unless Yes, you have it written the songs in your trying to just you know, do it in real time? No. No, not today. This isn't the 70s and the 80s were rock bands would disappear and you know, we need music your fans need music if they paid for it. You need to get them that music sooner rather than later. So here's what my suggestions are for a couple things one is if you find yourself in the situation, then you need to come. Tell them exactly what's happening be honest with them and let them know it's taking longer than anticipated and start creating some really cool stuff some fun stuff that you can give them that you can share with them. Maybe invite them to a Facebook live or an Instagram live and share with them the stuff that you've recorded so far do it in a private group if you need to so that it's just for them but make them feel that you haven't forgotten about them make them, you know feel Like there's still a part of this situation. It's when we disappear and when we just vanish that's when the the problems start in the future. Make sure that these people feel like they're a part of the process by sharing the music that you plan to record. Don't be in such a hurry to just go grab all this money and then sit on it for a while to try to figure out what the songs are going to be prepare yourself. No, the songs make sure that these are the songs that they want make sure that they know the stories behind the songs. Let him come in the studio. See when the song that they already know about is being recorded. Let him see it come to life. It's easy to keep people involved these days with social media. It's not hard. There are no secrets you can't hide anymore. So so don't hide especially don't hide with the people that have put out their hard-earned money because you got to remember something. Okay today at the recording of this people can get music for free anywhere. They want when they give you money they have invested in you and it's your responsibility to honor that investment. Okay. So now when they give you money that means that you've done something to gain their trust and to gain their support specially when it comes to this crowdfunding, you know, they bought into to you so don't jeopardize that and don't ruin it because your ego is getting in the way saying that you can't go tell people that it's not quite right. No it is that's your job. Okay, once you take somebody else's money you work for them at that point. Okay. They're the ones funding the operation. It's their responsibility to know what's going on and it's your responsibility to keep them informed it really is and if you don't if you want to take a long time to record your day. You project or whatever you have that prerogative to do that. That's your priority. You can do that. But fund it yourself when you start asking other people for help. Now you have to answer to them to tell them what's going on. So I hope you found this useful. I hope you found that helpful. I hope if you're in this situation. I've given you some ways that you could hopefully get yourself out of the situation. If you were planning on trying to crowd fund. I hope I've given you information that can help you not get into this type of situation. Situation if you need any more information what at all just head over to my website music industry blueprint.com while you're there you can grab a free copy of my book you can take the artist assessment and if you haven't subscribed yet to this podcast, I would appreciate you doing that. It would mean the world to me also share it with someone you think could benefit from this leave a review if that's what you feel up to and I will see you on the next episode. Ciao. You've been listening to the music industry blueprint podcast with Greg Barker. You can follow Rick on Twitter at Brick Barker music and remember you don't drown by falling into the water you drown by staying there.

Have you used crowdfunding to finance a record? Did you wait too long to deliver? Have you lost the trust of your fans because they invested in you but you haven't met their expectations? Listen to this episode of the MIB podcast to find out how you can get yourself out of this sticky situation and re-engage those fans. 👍🏻  “When you're funding the operation or paying for it yourself, take as long as you want to make it right, but if you ask other people for money to help achieve your goals you owe it to them to deliver sooner rather than later.” - Rick Barker What do you want to hear from the Music Industry Blueprint Podcast? Tell us here! ***Want to be a guest on the Music Industry Blueprint Podcast? *** Send an email to podcast@musicindustryblueprint.com With the following information: Name, website, social handles, questions you would like to ask Rick and contact information  Resources: Free Training “How To Become A Social Media Ninja In Under An Hour.” Click HERE If you're listening after January 24, 2019 & Want the Free Training! Artist Assessment with Rick: Facebook Instagram Youtube Twitter Soundcloud RickBarker.com Contact: podcast@musicindustryblueprint.com for a chance to be a guest on the MIB podcast show --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/music-industry-blueprint/message

For the Love of teaching is a podcast brought to you by T starter, we think teachers hours each week by creating quality downloadable teaching resources for their classrooms visit teach starter.com to make your classroom Buzz warning this episode or for the love of teaching contains content. That's not suitable for children, please if you've got kids with you save this one for a little bit later welcome Rob and thank you so much for joining us on for the love of teaching. Thanks Bronwyn. It's great to be here. It's my honor. Oh good on you. Thank you. You're a great supporter of our new little podcast. So we really appreciate that. Now. The first thing I wanted to ask you is if you could tell us a little bit about your first teaching job. So how did you feel when you Finished at Teachers College and landed your first job straight off the bat great question. Yeah. Well, I done three years of what I thought was excellent teacher training at Bendigo College of advanced education and I was excited about my appointment to this one teacher school. Just out of Lee and gather in South gippsland Victoria. I knew I had nine children. I visited the school before Christmas and then I started my appointment. At the end of January started February met the school council president the first few days of school were awesome beautiful bunch of kids Keen as mustard diligent Cooperative. No fighting. No backbiting sounds like a dream class 9. Well the pretty much daily idealistic. Yeah. Oh, that's lovely. And so you studied for three years at College. How old were you the one? I'd finished. Yeah, my teacher training at the age of Thud started at 17 Vinnie you 12 at 17 and then started teacher teacher training at 17 finished at 20. Wow. So you're 20 years old. You've got this great job beautiful class idyllic country is location and one teacher school. So that's um, that's pretty exciting and it's all you in one teacher school, isn't it? That's right. Teacher PE teacher music teacher. Yep. Stir the works You're The Specialist of everything. So when when you found this dream job, what was the school like was at a big school was it? What's the location? Like? Yeah. So we're fairly remote. It was a very remote Area 15 kilometers north of Lee and gather bling gather was just a small town of about 6,000 people 5,000 people Dairy farming Community. The only thing This community was the school now the holes not church now tennis courts anything really just the school in the middle of this farming community. Did you ever feel isolated those first few days or was it you had the kids there and it felt busy enough. Well, that's right. The parents were in and out a bit. They weren't very far away. They had been welcoming. We'd had a welcome barbecue the in the second the second Wednesday of school, you know, I didn't feel lonely. My I had an older brother who'd already done a rural School schools, and I'd visited him in his settings now, I didn't feel real. I didn't feel lonely. Well, that's good. Okay, so now getting to getting to the day that changed your life forever as a twenty-year-old. So on your night stay of teaching February 14th 1977. Can you explain to us what happened on that day? Yeah, so I guess I should go straight to the crunch on it the children out for recess at 10:30 a.m. As normal and only seconds later. They came running back inside saying mr. Hunter. Mr. Hunter. There's a man outside with a gun. Ml which the door thinking not too much of it thinking that they were making a fuss about not too much and I was met by this balaclava hooded man with a gun pointing straight at my chest. Sweating profusely. He was puffing panting. He was a scary scary look get back inside or I'll Suture. Oh my gosh how terrifying to be confronted with that so unexpectedly. So how old how old was say the youngest child in your group you had two great one boys and for grade six children to grade fives. Yeah, those great one children were only six years of age. The grade sixes were eleven years of age. We're nine children altogether. Do you think that at that moment they fully The stood what the impact could possibly be with someone with a gun on the premises of their school? No, not at all. None of us had any idea what was happening. We just took it at face value and we none of us had any experience anything like this. We just thought that it was a bit weird. So we just had to fly by the seat of our pants Bronwyn and and essentially we did what we were told. Yeah, which actually probably Is the safest thing to do and the most and staying calm was your biggest savior? I guess what really looked after you with all those kids. So what happened next what he says he told you to get inside and then what happened next? Yes. So we all went back inside. We sat down in our seats. He instructed me to sit in a particular seat. Don't move my or I'll or I'll shoot you then he began to speak to the children and explain. What he wanted I think it all went over my head. But essentially he was saying that he was going to take us away because he wanted some demands met and then before too long he chained us all up starting with me. My wrists were chained by this what I described as a dog chain with a padlock. I was forced to lie down on the floor in the front of the school while all the children were watching and then he They chained me up. It's horrifying chewing my chain to the sunshine. Oh my gosh side come prepared. He had the all this Gear with him. Yeah, very well prepared and because he'd already done this same feat five years previous at farraday Primary School neerja Long he'd escaped from prison to do me now. Yeah, he was well-prepared. He had his locks and his chains and ropes. It's and although that morning. He had gone to a previous another school to kidnap them that body but when he got there, there was extra Personnel so he thought okay, I can't do this one. I'll head to this next school which was called Halston and he took a wrong turn and ended up at my school. So I was third cab off the rank really bad luck, isn't it? You weren't even the plan B you are. Accidental plan say exactly and for something so life-changing, you know, you don't want sort of turn of events to put you in it. Like that's actually really incredible even that the fact that he hadn't planned to visit you and your kids so you mentioned that he'd already held up a school a country School previously five years previously gone to prison escaped prison. This is just unbelievable. This would never happen these days like it just seems so incredible that he He'd already I guess somewhat successfully done this but he hadn't had his demands met. What were his demands like this time? Where they what I reasonable demands or were they ridiculous demands? Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely ridiculous unreasonable ridiculous far-fetched and impossible to be met really by the state it included and perhaps the most ridiculous one was it included 17 prisoners friends of his that he wanted Revenge. Released from prison in to admit Aureus criminals including his accomplice from the previous kidnapping so so is quite you can sort of tell by this point when he's demanding things like having these criminals released is listed them by by name and some other things like a certain amount of drugs and some cleanly laundered money in a huge amount like you you're sort of thinking this guy's really unhinged he's not he's not right. That's right, and I didn't Realize it. I didn't know what those demands were until after the event actually so okay. Yeah, so he wasn't talking to you about this kind of stuff. He was just giving you the orders. Is that right? Pretty much it. He did say to me at one stage after while we were traveling sort of half an hour down the road. Do you think I'll get $40,000 ransom for you and just to show my naivety I when he set used that word Ransom, I'm thinking what's he talkin about? What's That mean yeah, it was just random left field out of my experience. I was as green as they come as a 20 year old had a fairly sheltered upbringing excellent teacher training. I thought I was going to be a great crash shot teacher, but I was not prepared for that day in 1977. No and most will no one would be really like, honestly you could have the best teacher training available and be the most amazing educator, but when it comes to protecting Acting nine kids that aren't yours, but they are kind of in your care. So they become almost like yours who really would be prepared for something like that. It's just it's just the mind boggles. Like I just can't imagine what was going through your head. So he's got you all in these chains and then he's decided he's going to take you somewhere. So how what sort of Transport did he have to take you so he has a utility the one-ton truck reminded of the Old State electricity commission vehicles of the time open. Always at the back at the last minute. He separated me from the children. He took my chains off and then blindfolded me and gag me and tied me up with my hands behind my back and I was thrust into the front of the vehicle and the children were thrust into the back ordered to lie down. I was on the floor of the front so that I couldn't be seen and then he drove and we drove for a good two plus hours before we had this accident that very nearly killed us all yeah, because he's absolutely Christ and he's driving along with 10 people in a you and I can imagine it would have been quite chaotic. There's little kids just fearful and terrified and and you're sort of powerless to help them. Well the kids like I've got little kids and I don't think my kids would last two hours in a car without a toilet trip. So were they like calling out do they need help to they need anything with a thirsty? Yeah. Well this This was the worst part of the whole trauma. I think Braun it was awful. We're going on a dirt road the whole time. We're pretty much on a dirt road called the Grand Ridge Road, which is on top of the stress Leckie ranges in in that part of South gippsland down around going miles too fast skidding around corners the children were I get I could hear them. Banging against the side as they were flung unsolved aside and similar things were happening for me on the floor as well. Yeah, but it wasn't wasn't long before we all we were vomiting a lot of the children vomited. I vomited in the front. Yeah, we made messes ourselves and it was the children are though they were calling out and saying stop stop will be on a drink of where we're bombing. When are we gonna get there? But we only went and he just had no regard for anyone else in that vehicle. Just totally fixated on his own agenda. It sounds like correct, correct. Yeah, so I was talking to you a little bit and then when you finally did arrive at the destination, he'd pre-planned where he was going to take you that's right. So not far from well, that was I guess that's another that's a second part of it, but we we drive. For almost two and a half hours and we plow into this logging truck. Oh gosh. Yes, I forgot about this whole incident. Yes the and this becomes a game changer up until that point. He had the children and I at his Mercy really we were his and things had been on his terms and I was feeling incredibly helpless and very much alone, and I didn't know What on Earth was going to happen and I actually thought I was going to get killed or got rid of pushed out the side of the vehicle may be a bullet through my head or or something like that, but we came across this hairpin Bend. I don't know what's happening here because I'm blonde blindfolded by this stage the gagged come off my mouth so that he could have these conversations with me. And thankfully I was able to vomit without the gag, but we go around this hairpin Bend and we ran it run into this timbered. Gingka armor on a precipitous Road where there's a massive drop down the side and our left half the left hand side of our vehicle is hanging over the edge of the road Godly by of solid or a five inch square White Post stopped us from going over the edge we done they're all got killed at that point that the driver of that truck. His name was Robin Smith and he becomes the hero not at this moment. Site waited for his time. But the nine children. I love this man because he risked his life, but some hours later to save us and he is a hero. Yeah, so he actually bought it his time for a little while very sensibly. So he what happened to Robin Smith. Did he leave that scene and you guys continued on? Yeah. Well, no, they he was kidnapped along with the rest of Of us then the we're in the vehicle at what at this accident we can't get out children are locked in the back. I'm locked into France Eastwood the kidnapper kidnaps the tube these two truck drivers two blokes in that truck. Also, Robin had a passenger yet. Robin had his little brother with him that day which was once again a random thing. Yep wasn't planned of just a spontaneous that he had his little brother with him. So here that those two were kidnapped forced to lie down on the road. And ultimately the chains that would been around the children within attached to those two trapeze and I was forced to lie down on the road with them. Once it got me out of the vehicle. Those three men lying on the road and we waited children at by that stage been got out of the vehicle through a side know that he has smashed to get them out, but he couldn't get to the back of the vehicle. It's hanging out with Griffin a precipice and Glass Broken Glass had gone. On anywhere everywhere in that that process of getting them out and we waited and then another truck came along with two more men that they got kidnapped as well five men chained lying down face on the dirt road and he still wielding his gun around and threatening you that's right. I'm thinking oh he's going to give up now or you'll go home and you'll give up your leave because there's five men nine children and him and his Vehicle for him to continue his because our vehicles wrecked. Yeah. The logging trucks are no good for an taking us all we waited for another hour. And that's how remote we were in this spot. What's up, Rob? What time of day was this by now? Yeah about two o'clock by now that's been going on for four hours five hours. That's right. So it ended their classroom at 10:30. Yep. We thought we'd left the school at about five past ten past eleven. It's now 2 p.m. And we're wondering have on it. This is going to end what sort of vehicle could possibly come along that we could eat stay together or that he I'm sure he had no idea either but thankfully and this is all incredibly providential two beautiful women to what I call in the book that I've written two angels came along. Yes, perfect description. In a camper van and a Combi van and pile the stall him to he was able to pile us all into that van with those two women. So now he's got seven adults captive and nine children taste crazy just he must have just thought he was invincible at that point. It's just crazy stuff. It's unimaginable everyone who he is this thinks this is so ridiculous. It's just the weirdest story, you know. They say truth is Stranger Than Fiction. This is just a beautiful story I've ever heard. So okay. So the two women the five men and the nine kids are all in this little Combi van and there's a picture of it in in your book so day9 at worry in which if anyone wants to purchase that book it's online on your website kidnapped teacher talks.com you guys in the combi van what happens next? So we drive for another almost two and a half hours to his Appeared campsite near a place called Woodside but which is not too far from yerim in the middle of a forest Mullen Jung State Forest and we thought we were pretty remote all day. Well this but was even probably just as remote and the middle of a state forest. That's scrubby bushy quite a bit flatter than the previous mountains that we've been going through and for kids, that would be a very scary and Environment. Yeah, so we spend the night in this camping spot that he's prepared. The seven the five men are chained around the tree us five minute change around the tree the two women are left with the children, which is just a godsend because they are able to love these kids and the kids have been supported so well by those two ladies, I've been separated the whole time from the children and they are able to bed down for the night with These two mothers if you like. Yeah certain amount of security. I would have been missing their own parents so much by this stage. So it really is amazing that they had had them there to just I guess Sue's them like a like a mom like an angel in your book. Yeah. That's it. That's it. So we spend the night there and it's during the night that Robin Smith very heroically and smartly. It's explained. It's a long process to explain but he's able to get his chat hand out of the chain without the Eastwood knowing without the kidnapper knowing and then he will bides his time waits until around about five o'clock in the morning and he's able to creep off when he's fairly confident that Eastwood is is probably asleep. He doesn't know that Beast was asleep. He risks his life at this point and creeps off. Risking a bullet that would have surely been his so for 42 years now Bronwyn, we've been thanked or the nine students and I have been thanking our lucky stars for Robin Smith and we only reunited with him two years ago at a 40-year reunions. We had that's another story in itself really, but we are just so thankful for Him. Yeah, he's a he's a flipping hero. Yes. Well, it sounds like there were a few heroes in this story Rob and definitely Robin was one of them. That was a very very brave move to make and yeah, it paid off in the end. So he's taken off to alert the Police or like obviously there were no mobile phones back then no one had any method of communication. How did he manage to raise the alarm really? So He had to run Arendt in kilometers. He's no long-distance Runner. He's Truckee. He had his work boots on you ran 10 kilometers to the nearest farm house to make a phone call. Yeah, he'd hope that maybe he could get the police back to our campsite before Eastwood woke up, but not caught not knot. So he had successfully made the phone call and got police to come to him and he was Guiding the police to us in the meantime Eastwood woke up and all hell broke loose because he realized it Robin Smith had escaped. Yeah. So we all get bundled back into that Combi van, right and off we said again at ridiculous speeds. So he's Furious by this stage and raged and not really a hundred percent with it anyway, and then he's taken off with you again. Hmm, so it just keeps going. That's true. Right, that's real and very scary and this is probably the scariest moment, but there's a few scary moments, but this was certainly one of them and so to cut a long story short. We have the high-speed chase along the South gippsland Highway with the police in Pursuit, and we're going through roadblocks and there's gunshots being exchanged. So he's shooting at the police cars. He's shooting at the police and the police is trying Stop us by shooting out our tires the police Miss. There's bullets go in places that should never have had bullets go through but did any of us get hit? No, that's a miracle absolute Miracle. We were protected again incredibly thankful for these things and eventually our tie gets shot out and he has to stop along the road and he gets out and surrenders to the police and he's he's he's captured. No that must have just been the most amazing sense of relief for you that you and all of those kids had survived that and how did you feel when you realize that it was over? Yeah, well, I'm very thankful. Incredibly thankful for I'm for Robin Robin Smith, but also for the police who they was just seemed like hundreds of them around it's an exaggeration, but they were everywhere. Yeah, and they were there ready to risk their lives as well to say this. In fact a couple of them did risk their lives to arrest him rest the kidnapper. As it turns out. I don't think they were in terrible danger, but they were ready to be heroes vote. Yeah, we got out of it safe. No, none of the children were physically hurt and I wasn't physically hurt the other kidnapped people weren't physically hurt but we were all traumatized emotionally. Well, that's right. It doesn't sometimes the injuries from something like this don't appear on the surface and sometimes they don't appear. For some time afterwards, it's wrong. Now when you think back to 1977 was trauma or PTSD or any of these terms where they considered where they even around with a thing. That's right. Yeah. We know the answer to that don't we never heard of those things? Nothing. There was no such thing as counseling we weren't offered counseling there was no opportunity. T to talk through what happened there was not well there were psychologists around in those days, but you had to be a had to be a real habit serious issues before you ever went to be referred to a psychologist. And yeah, so we all got back on the horse. I went back to school four days later. That's that is actually when I read that part. I was really shocked because tell us what your Tell us what your Superior said to you about about returning to work after this traumatic event had occurred in your life. So back in those days you had your District inspector or Udi and my DIY his name was mr. Bull and he was a bit scary and I was in or of him I suppose but we got saved on the Tuesday returned to the school Tuesday evening. He met me at the school and said look, I think you should have the rest of the week off Rob the rest of the week Thursday Friday and return to school on the Monday. Oh Rob and no offers of counseling no real time off. So you basically they said to you you you're on your own to deal with this and the kids and the families what we know about trauma now as Educators is that if a child is experiencing trauma as Have places we can refer them. We've got Specialists that we can help them with and and back then it was just all you I guess you had these kids turning back up to school. Some of them return. Some of them didn't did you talk to the kids about what had happened? Yeah, we talked about it a little bit. I really once again, I didn't know how to handle all this because I didn't want to make too much of it. I wanted to get on with things but I didn't want to ignore it either. I can remember us doing a little writing process at one stage. Yeah, which I think perhaps was would like to think was healing for the five remaining children. Only five. Yeah 5 of the four eldest. The cream of the crop went into leading gather the big school in my preparation for high school. Also they left as a result of this occurrence or because they were okay. Yeah. Yeah, they've been they've been some some talk of whether they are some of the children might have gone in the previous year, but out of loyalty to the community that is older kids had stayed at the school. Okay. So in some ways as the timing was right for them to go into the big school. Yeah into lean Gaza. Yeah those for old eldest grade 6 3 grade sixes in one grade 5 went in to linger. Yep, and I guess maybe back then the thought was to just the best healing process is to just move on with your life and to not dwell in the past too much exactly and it's a pretty easy thing. I think to just you know chin up, you know get over it, but my Slowly and mentally that doesn't always happen to be the best way to deal with trauma. So what I'd really love to do is end today now, thank you so much Rob for joining us on for the love of teaching and sharing that incredible story about what happened on day nine at worrying your 9th day teaching and we're going to have you back next week and we're going to talk about how you made the most of this experience and how you're helping others now 200 overcome their own traumas through your kidnapped teacher talks where you go to schools and talk to teenagers about health after hurt. Thanks for awesome Brahmin. Thank you so much. 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I hope so we froze out there full Fred from the UK men's crazy. Yeah, he's crazy. Currently Hades. What do you want to savagely? These lovely niggas stay different crazy right from America buddy. Love I don't know. What is that accent American man, I fucked up one time because I want a miracle and it was like my cousin's wedding and I was trying to show them my look I could do the American accent. My brother was getting Tings because even speak. You're normal that I'll my God your brother door God and you just like hello. You're right. Look. Hi there, who let you in until that's crazy. I remember I went to some Shackled Finish Line. So it's wrong. It's wrong. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I finish line and I'm like some sighs tense. She's gone what accent is that? I've gone on from the UK. She goes or whatever. I want to my to my wallet. I showed him my license. I showed him my power shut up. Oh my gosh. Out the decibels went up a little bit and I saw one woman peeping Tom. 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Mama is not nice at any time. There's no one that can mom has that with tall sometimes. I don't trust her. Tickets now and grab your tickets will be there. So I want to see you there. Yeah. Album listening had a list of points you get invited to these events man. Even if I can't make it, you know, you just want to be invited to answer one can't make you sorry sick sick man. It was beautiful the city's beautiful if I can put it in any way I will have only listened to album in headphones sound out loud out loud was mad. I don't know if it was the fact that everyone was just vibing to it. Yeah. I helped a lot of yeah, it was crazy like to see different artists. Mmm. Everything is vital. He's a crazy man hundred Rob and I think we've gigs here. This is something that he probably lives in this is album for him. Are we? Yeah, it's not bad. Yeah, we did. So in his own this house have fucking no fuck, you know, he's dropped albums obviously still got his style, but it's been a bit more commercial this one. I think he just doesn't care anymore. And he's just gone Force Gun. Once you get me obviously terminate that song Just hundred. I think that's what do you what do you think's been commercial about his last tapes and albums? I see sometimes the features. Have been like you want a head that gang gigs, but obviously we're with ya haunt because obviously he's industry now and salty tough, but I feel like with this one. It's just more streets. It's a yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's one album be done also commercial. Is it microphone Champion was that one of those and it's like no skipped. Yeah. We don't want need you to be you and the fools will kick. You think that's kind of us holding niggas back because so Tim says Never a day where like I was talking about the Fredo tape, which day was this was this was two days ago Fredo Fredo is a brand new eyes like three years old. Mmm said you ain't heard no grow for elevation. He's music music in terms of Mana still rapping about the street so you can go to any artist and do this all talking about the same thing, but and I have mentioned one song in particular is called property picking. Mmm of the jump just from the title. That's about something investing in property or whatnot. Then realize you drew me up bro. Yeah. Did I say that right and you and then in that same thing you had mentioned that Jay-Z you've seen growth in Jay-Z who's been rapping for that 20 plus years now and you'll take him out. So he's been rapping about this. Yeah, and now you're getting 4 for 4 and it's like brother that's 20 years you expecting that shit from freed off the Jump and I'm thinking people are always talking about Giggs has been in a year in the game for that 10:15. Yeah, but we're talking about man doesn't want to see that growth from gigs when just want the gries home and me was hearing this back again. He had nine and it's like but the man's not really living that road life no more. Yeah, he's on the hood. The music's the music in it like man after row with the eyes get what I meant by that. Yeah good thing you prayed and then we are met by the delivery of music. Yeah. No that is certain songs gigs would just be tearing from so that old gotta flow relax now and that's what I meant by degrees. I remember what keeps you know like, yeah. That's what I meant by I feel like you know, like when all is starting. Yeah, they're beginning project is always the best because it's wrong. Yeah, they even say you had like your whole life to make the album. Basically I'm saying so I feel like that's what was missing. So to speak that yeah, you get me not to say that I wanted to do the cutting hmm. He's changing his life's in a preposition. I thought I was a bit tired of the flow like that even easier. I've been a bit tired of that dinner dinner dinner. Yeah, do-do-do-do-do-do, but imagine you were still having that flow. You had heard sit in year nine you be tired of that too, but Hello doctor. Yeah, man. I don't know man. I like gigs is a legend in it. He's a legend. So like regardless whatever he does. He's he's a staple in the in the game. So I'm always going to love him for that. But I'm not going to say that I've been enjoying his last projects like to me wiped him wasn't anything like that was very missable that ultimate gangster tune with 2. Chains was fucking golly that was hard and it was a few Tunes like the essence if that was on there that was hard. That was like an Cool vibe, but then it was a letdown because after that landlord was hard laminate was fucking hard bro, and then walked in and came out as I'm and then he didn't release anything in terms of like promo for this one. So I was like, maybe he's a marketing genius. I'm not sure what she wanted and probably it was almost like a response to hate it sting in my eyes that I think so it all how many response tracks. Can you make like to know what I have attracts actually do An init that yeah point of somebody's tracks level which is what are they? You don't understand what I'm telling wasn't that's smash. But yeah, he said Lance said I'll go away from 100% that that should be on DatPiff. Yeah. Yeah, put it on a hundred promo. It just put it there because could download it they were so you're saying when you have a size that you like when you've listened to certain grease or whatever it is. Yeah when it goes you miss it. So yeah, it comes in little stage. If you all you want we want that back. Yeah, what for is trying to say is right. We could probably get bored easy going and gives going to talk about something else something the fact that he's laughs change. You can see the stuff. He's talking about completely different. Yeah, when he does talk degrees we latch onto that because yes what we grew up listening to you choo, choo choo choo generation. They don't know gigs that way. Yeah. Yeah the landlord or he played some old-school Throwbacks HMS half of the criteria nose and experience with that. Matt was hosting sauce whose house Since us is show man played pain is the essence. Yeah, we've dubs, you know seems you had dinner shut down. Most thought I was shocked it was horror said no one just one one guy said they're too young. It's like he's that's why he's such a legend because he's been there from my childhood. Yeah. It's a now these discharge hood and still relevant. Yeah, he's growth could never not on the nose. It is so same another level man. But yeah, he's up sick. I think it's a good project man. This is D from Peckham that probably a millionaire breath Yeah, it's fucking mental for that's why I think that's part of the reason why men goes hard because M and seen it like Live In the Flesh or someone. I was actively on the road ends up becoming a superstar slim. Yeah. Yeah. So unapologetically himself as well about that guy actually change when you think about it, he's maybe commercial as itself a little bit to appeal. But in terms of just like how he is I never seen gigs do some weird shit never to appeal which I'm very happy about and you've got Blackboard. Remember when Lil Wayne of it low income over. Yeah, and he was supposed to be like headlining my headline in which I bought at what yeah and if it's straight down. Yeah. Okay. Now he's obviously the street stuff was obviously stopping him and that can actually make you just say, you know, I'm done I'm done. Yeah a hundred percent off any kept it going bro. So let me go to where there's money from. Yeah hundred percent man. What about home alone? You listen to that yet? Yeah, bro that Running Man song. Yeah. I'll second stop listening. When they first came out they sound too much like Americans. Yeah. Yeah, because we love America so much our swag. Everything is American. Yeah. Yeah has made people forget that he didn't do you think so. Even well, I've heard of he's a penguin. Mmm. So yeah, we're gonna I'm broke come from broken homes. From observation is I'm going to catch a stray hair. He's ready black people black people. So like there's the two brothers Rae Sremmurd Swahili and slim jim. Hmm. Him fucking was I thinking yeah and people always talking about our likes Swahili should go solo. I'm thinking why like, why did I want to see? One Elevate an avid just stay where they are. So it's even the same with lat D-Block Europe and as ads were saying brother none of this happens without lb Le so why should he now goes solo? Yeah. Yeah laughing. It's like telling him to go solo me to got like yeah. Yeah. Yeah other person could kind of get put to the side for example with me goes and take off. Yeah. I don't think Migos could ever work without I couldn't but because you did week alone, but I'm alone. Hey Dad Samsung with no Harry way person not upset steps. I was nice though. It's hot same flow. Did you know I need to stop comment on stuff our listen to it. So you haven't even let me stop doing that. Very first time like when I kept hearing D-Block you if enough for it was just adds. Yeah, and that's just when the song with Rich the kid - yeah. I think which is a problem with us. I think is not with artists with everyone in need to stop saying things are just black issues. It's just because we're black and I can only talk to us but like we tend to think that two things can't coexist like they say are who's the best desiiva J Cole? Was it Kendricks? I'm not they can both be like Jay-Z or not they can bow. Be there like they can coexist like D-Block you it can be together and it's fine. You got I'm saying they can beat you don't have to always split them up because you don't know what's gonna happen ads might need that person behind him. He might be the sound but in terms of him getting to the studio struggles, you know, I'm saying and that was explained but that interact like it just comes with like the band wagon hate because on Friday albums dropped in it. Yeah and in the morning, I'm getting group chat messages like this gig see sounds shit, and I'm just thinking Anais shit to say a solo. Yeah. I want to enjoy some listening. Yeah two songs in I'm thinking I'm this knocks problem intros crazy. I can't wait. Let me borrow your car t'aime. Into this room. It allows is this yeah. This is hot people can't wait to get on Twitter and get them retweets off a negative side. And that's why I'm to my black people be hating black people use lat. Mmm. How is you know my problem with that and this is why people say that man's a bit like bujji is because you know, if God forbid if things fell people be so happy to talk about your failure hundred percent hundred percent talk about when you're doing well. Yeah. I've got so much lip people that are black. Yeah thing word but we don't support each other. Mmm. What a Scandal comes out if it's nothing detriment when doesn't go against what we believe in why not support each other while words are not man. Listen, he's doing his thing. Hmm. He's my friend of a lot of people because I know his fate and it's yeah so fake so stuff like that. I'm an album listen to it before you say it. Yeah again before you see it shit because what you're going to do and I do it myself sometimes I might tweet I see these albums crap because of that. I might want to listen to ya word word word. Yes, if I'm seeing 600 people are retweeting it that's influencing for them. It looks like it's real simple Venture don't want to waste your time going to listen to that in a few days. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm making my own decisions on a ship but I'm curious about this Lakey brand. Is it black-owned? Yes black holes. Yeah, man. Is the up I've been seeing this row is he's crazy. I spent so much money. We're not. Yeah, like that's the thing is it I didn't read it at all. I just looked at the Now honestly is actually sit and I like the black one with the pink and the blue on it. I've been seeing a few I'm like Marvin that we're not that they're sick. I like the fact that make him wear something right now. We're in a day and age where you can wear something from someone that you know, did I'm saying like because I don't know you like is I don't know Adidas the guys even dead and you might even have someone else to totally taking over and you got someone from ends that's doing something you can support that. I'm not only with obviously if man just making t-shirts and I don't like it. I'm not yeah, why don't we go talk about the brand stuff. Well, I've been going on in the news. Oh shit. Oh shit. Okay, cool. I just touching it real quick then because obviously I was just missing two brilliant idiots. I'm Andrew shorts had a fury is that brave? We all know who the people at the top of these places are and they might actually just be racist and trying to send us a message like this that when I stopped wearing our shit, bro. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah to do subtle. Yeah, and then we were like nah, Boycott, they were a porthole noose around your neck. Now. They've just hanging problem. Yeah, just gonna do just put only White's on it. Yeah like this. Hey somewhere nice shit you far away. What was the one I saw with the Rope? Yeah, but everybody yeah. Yeah, of course, that's English. One yeah. Yeah, so now they're being hurt by it because now yeah, it's like the people are wearing it on the people. They actually one area where Innocents though. I feel like anyone can wear anything bro. Yeah. I think we've black people here. What we do is whenever we find a brand. Yeah we go crazy and we buy in abundance. Yeah. I never knew what Mary dreams genes were are to the other day beIN said it I said, okay. This must be hot. Yeah. Now the Ameri Jesus ain't no secret now Amer. He's probably been around for years. Yeah. Then now black people are probably wearing it now. I don't know if they're racist. No, I marry is a designer that is quite close to like American rappers. Like Jew was a scene where it says La based. So he's a reachable person. Whereas like to own a Burberry. Okay. Well Madison you he raps about your light almost like it's mad consumerism that you get rapped about. You're like, oh shit. This is might be the hottest thing. What bridge is that? I what's that? I mean, how do you spell it? And me I said am I I put he said, I meant when I said it on the show like yeah a half ago you'd like someone was in the comments like you mean Armani jeans Brown like no brother Mary. Oh, it's the jeans with like it's got like a rip and then underneath it. So I got like a bandana. That's okay. But I got kids and now it's a challenge minimum one child to remember when you wear that stuff. You just look like a mug because they're violating their violating us. Yeah. Yeah when the people behind it don't respect they don't rate you. Yeah, we don't we're showing that we don't respect ourselves Yeah by wearing that. Yeah I'm saying, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, but you know, I think it was like a bikini and she's also got a dress and it changes color if you flash Manny take a picture flashes on it. Oh, yeah is some go making kicks this shit Bro. There's some telling people there's a lot for us to start taking this stuff seriously. Because me, personally, I heard a merry genes from me for Meek. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's why you put a price on something you're now basically say I have history dude. I'm saying you can't now come into the market and say for bills for boxes. Yeah, I'm not fucking doing it because I wouldn't even do it with Gucci and but I'm not doing it right off white is black on right? Yeah. That's what price point was so much lower than it was was it now? Cause all I know maybe prices should go up. I'm gonna spoil having designers. I used to see off-white because you know, you got your sections in selfridges. Yeah, you'll start in deception where there's the Billionaire Boys Club. Yeah. Yeah, that's section. Like I'm so sure I saw off-white there for like 80 pounds. Yeah. Now all of a sudden it's in the other section with the Maison margiela. Duda methadone two pairs of socks two feet that what makes tape was that I think it was rich forever. I said it was actually you think my bestie that said, it'll be a memory foam sock brother. Remember my remember my toe friend. Hello. It's often so long, but it breaks. You notice what I'm saying when you'll be really have to go to school a few. Yeah, no shit. Of white in it. Yeah, so the sucks as at you know, when you go low to high outside, no, let me go loads. Looking at my map. We see everyone's wearing track suit to the airport when you get a memo. So I'm wearing my mom Ralph jumper. Everyone's in Ralph trekkies. That techniques like the rules the text because there's a temporary but there's another thing which is like mad expensive. But at the tech pack, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you know in half but you still look at pricing like 100. You can't even win to the club. These ankle support to run. How would you not? Yeah. Yeah and also kills if you get kicked. Your ends you're from and your from Ed State don't do it for me. Yeah, even with luck Tian xia. I like T ends when Bob was underneath it lost it. Hey boy, did they put the vapor Max what I'm on it? Hey, those are the littles anyway. Yeah. Yeah. I'm standing.

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I mean asked me to blame for some something something here or you know, the whole influence of phenomenon. Yeah, you know where you have these people whose entire lives online. Yeah, and then their weddings are online. Yeah, and it just Seems to be this like ongoing completely unobtainable showreel. Yeah, and then I just don't think that it has the most positive influence read on the rest of us. Yeah, and it's a tricky one for us to navigate that whole social media thing. Is it because obviously we're sharing. Yeah incredible images to inspire everybody to have the best day that they I possibly can within their means so it's a tricky one for us. Yeah it is because you don't want to be a hypocrite. Absolutely. We're not here to try and cause some controversy. Yeah, that's all. Yeah. We just want to Emphasize and point out that if you are a fan of what we're doing if you listen to our podcast that you are not there thinking. Yeah my wedding my way. 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So just stop yeah that kind of content even being published. Yeah. It's been so refreshing to see that the has the last couple of weeks promoting one something that's completely unrealistic. It and to not with any kind of research like you don't know what the risks are it just it Beggars belief really and I can't believe that it went on for so long. Yes, and some of these so-called influences stroke celebrities who are obviously have their own social media accounts who promote these kind of products without any thought in exchange for cash because let's face it. They don't use their stuff. Today, they just want to advertise it because they've been paid from it. They have a responsibility to their followers some who I imagine a very young and impressionable yet to behave responsibly and not try and encourage people to be a certain aesthetic or to look like they do or think that they can look like they do because they don't even look like that themselves just going to say because they don't even look like they down now, We've been to various media events and I think it's such a shame because these people but it particularly women because that's you know main demographic who don't look anything like their Instagram grade you either and what a shame. Yeah, because they're perfectly lovely in real life. But for some reason they feel again that they all have to meet this I said you can that's what everyone else wants to look like and it just becomes this great big. Kle and domino effect of unrealistic expectations and that's a real shame and we don't want you to have to feel pressured to be any other sort of way than what you are. 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You're entering into this marriage with that with a person because they love you for who you are how you are. You as a whole not how you might look yeah on a day that hasn't happened yet. Yeah, exactly one of my favorite and most poignant quotes. Oh, yeah. Do not regret growing older. It is a privilege denied to many. So again, you know this one day it's brilliant day. It's an amazing celebration. You should have the best day possible and you should absolutely feel the best. Possible version of yourself absolutely what we're trying to get to because we're not completely without compassion just saying, you know wedding day is a good platform. Yeah, I'd say particularly for things like a healthier lifestyle. So say you are burning the candle at both ends sure or you eat all the biscuits which makes you feel lethargic and Well quite a nice place the knife and you know stress as well, which actually as we know planning a wedding can make it worse because out of everything that is one of the things that can really affect your skin. Yeah, your anxiety can lead to hair loss or those thing extreme. Yeah, you know, so take a break. Yeah have a rest. Yeah have a kit kat but not 15. Yes and whatever you need to do. To feel relaxed. Yeah appreciative gone a bit off on a tangent, but that's how this podcast is. Well, that's all right, then what you're trying to say is if you're wanting to make changes to your lifestyle. Anyway, you can use the wedding as a catalyst for that which is what you've basically said. Yeah, but it has to be a change for life not yeah, not just whether whether or not this pressure on like breaks my wedding. I've got to go to grow my hair. Yeah. I've gotta be as thin as I can. I've got to do this I've said because what is that what the hair thing like Then why do people feel they have to grow their hair long for the wedding and then I know so many people that after was a chopped it off as like what if you really didn't like it and I know a few people who have had their have worn their hair in a way on their wedding, but they would never ever normally have worn their hair. So like some sort of elaborate up to and then later on. I mean, this is a very simplistic example of don't change who you are and how you are they look back at their wedding photos and been like it doesn't even look like me because I would never ever wear my hair like that. Why did I wear it all up on top of my head when I always have it down and so they look back at their photos and they're thinking doesn't look like me at all. No, it's true. It's just little things don't feel you've got to conform to anything at all your daily so much more relaxed and enjoyable if you are true to yourself. Yeah, so, you know, how do you like to dress exactly. Do you usually wear makeup? Yeah any makeup lots of makeup How do you feel most comfortable? Yep, like when you know go on at night out and it's considering all those things because that's really all you need to consider. Yeah, when it comes to preparing for your yeah wedding. So it's funny actually is when we were just chatting about this particular podcast. Becky asked about my teeth. So I had braces and I was in my early 20s, but didn't wear my retainer. I know so about 18 months before the wedding. I thought oh, what a shame, you know because I had these my perfectly straight teeth and not one my retainer. So I then had lingual braces fitted all right for 12 months and then had a permanent retainer fitted on so you could say oh, well you had you know your to stand for you were doing well. I had them done the rest of my life actually and that's it. Isn't it? I certainly wanted them to be, you know to be be as straight as I once had them. Yeah for my wedding day and the photos because I wanted to smile and but that's the thing that you want for your life not it wasn't just a case of what's the photos overdrive the straight teeth and then suck it up afterwards and then let him go back wonky. Exactly. It's one of those things that you want to implement that change in your life anyway, and we can't not do this podcast without mentioning. What are some extreme aesthetic procedures which Becoming more and more prevalent and extreme. So we're not saying you shouldn't do this or you should do this because if you really want a lip enhancement then that's up to you. Absolutely, but don't and also I'm all look for anyone doing anything. They want to themselves. Yes safely. Yeah and not on a whim Thor your wedding not a for your day. So, you know any kind of aesthetic cosmetic procedure like that. Do you research? Absolute find yourself a reputable experienced practitioner. Yeah, make sure you are fully versed in what the risks are. Yeah and what you can do if you don't like the results. Oh, yeah, right because you leave that very close to a special occasion like your wedding day. You could well you could entirely change your whole face for one because we're just doing it. Yeah think so even with the most professional of professionals it can well the risks attached. Yeah it kinda why you have Sign a disclaimer exactly to make actual legit reaction absolutely anything anything like that? And again this whole like aesthetic Phenomenon with you know, the big lips and the cheek bones and all of that again, if that's how you genuinely want to look that is fine, but don't feel you should look like that because the media is telling you yeah, that's how you should look like. Absolutely Becky is in fact for you. Oh you already love stop don't you understand? For a little while, actually the Cosmetic Surgery industry in the UK is worth three point six billion non-surgical treatment such as Botox and fillers account for nine out of ten procedures and are worth two point seven five billion. Wow, but here's the facts the non-surgical cosmetic industry is almost entirely earn regulated. Is terrifying and if that's not the scary fact then I don't know. What is wow. So this these very very intense like mahogany Tans. Yeah, like everyone knows that tan skin is damaged skin. Yeah again, I don't want to like sound like your mom or anything like that. I am a mom but it just means that's what it means to me when I say I'm like, well, you've got some sun damage that's been going on. Yeah, and that's not good. To look great. Yeah, that's going to Aid you yeah, you know, but if you like that tan look then maybe do some fake tan. Yeah, if you want just try and do it safely. Yeah, it's didn't do anything extreme the we fully wedding, but don't feel again. It's like that whole thing about changing yourself like You know you are who you are you yeah born with what you've got and that's the person who your partner found in love with absolutely. They're also less invasive treatments live well, but people you know as it's more for correction and the things like I was talking about my teeth, so to treat red veins for example, like if you said yeah, there's a share or but again, even for like laser treatments and things you've got to find a reputable place. Make sure you know what the risks are because having that treatment great. I want to get rid of the red veins on my face, but actually they could be made worse. Like wow, like that's one of the risks that you have to understand and again when you see all of these things on social media and they might even be advertising certain treatments or the even acts. I've seen it recommend again certain places now, they're different to you their experience their reaction. There result will be different. Yeah. Yes to your results and I think in the case of something something like that. If it's something that you need to take a lot of time to research and all of those things and you don't to be Hasty about it before you get in married, can you not seek the advice of your makeup artist? If it's something you're conscious of can they not do something for you just for that day without you having to make any exchange name changes and what that would be like to discover that you know, I wouldn't it. Yeah you go for trial and you say listen. I've got this thing that I'm conscious of. Don't want to do anything about it for life. But just for today, I'd like to not have to think about it. Yeah, you do anything to help me with that. It's like me on my wedding day. I have got we talked about lashes before zero eyelashes. They are so short and so straight and so rubbish that I wore false lashes on my wedding day. I think quite a lot of people probably do hmm. I'll have individual has applied to their own. Yeah way back then it wasn't really a thing to have like lash extension. So I just went falsies, but at the same time I didn't want it to look extreme. I just wanted to look like I had eyes which I think is okay to one, isn't it? Yeah and still but still like myself not have loads of eye makeup on and all of that but just accentuate that little area that I'm very conscious of yeah, and even things like lash extensions now, if you'd listened to our Beauty Basics podcast, you know that Becky and I her big fan lover becomes Yeah, but my sister had a really bad experience and you can totally understand that if you were to hear that that it would put you off. Right? And actually she normally goes to the same lady that I go to but she's going on holiday and she need them done before she went on holiday he go so she just found somebody in her nearest town. Yeah and The Beautician literally glued all of the extensions to her Lashes in like clumps. All right. So where her own lashes were trying to grow themselves that they would naturally they were almost being pushed back into the skin because there was so much falu gosh, and now over gluing and so she couldn't have them for a holiday because she had to go and have them removed and her eyes were so sore afterwards that she couldn't have Replacements either. Yes. It's essentially a holiday without the extensions that she wanted that she paid a lot of money. And with very red sore eyes, I mean something like that you can get an infection. Yeah, I mean, can you imagine that's terrible isn't it? So again don't decide like a few days before I don't have much of sentience. Yeah, you need to have a trial or two. You need to have anything like that. You need to have worn them for a good couple of months. Yeah the run up so you can make sure you're comfortable with you having a feel and and you're happy with how they're applying them. Yep, and all those kind of things and that goes for anything. He might be bleeding. I know that's becoming more and more popular. I mean I admit I quite fancy. Yeah, there's I've got I don't know if you people have no eyebrows like not I mean I can spend all day pence in the men and I they're just they're just not there the rivers the fair ever so fair and my friend perfect Kelly who it's perfect die is them for me, but I can't have them like too dark because then they look a bit odd with my hair and they fade really really quickly. It doesn't last very long known you I'm trapped three days. And at this point where I can see Becky looking across at me. Like you've got no Rose. I just don't have any. So for me, I think that would be great. You know, I would you learn how to keep going back and having you dyed it be like a good investment and yeah save money in the long term. You need to know the process of that because yeah, may I now have to have a skin test Micah blading Kelly was time and she's I mean she does an amazing job. I've seen some of her client talent and how well it's worked but you don't just go once I don't know no and it looks super. Yeah, you sometimes have to go back three times. You have been through that whole slug period yeah, so they look, you know, there's a Eva and don't you know, you don't want one brow. I'll sit off to the left and one it's the right in your face. So there are gaps over the scab falls off sometimes some of the color comes off at the scab. So you like to say you got to go back and a top top make sure it's all it's a it's a big lens. Yeah. Yeah, but a really exactly with a lot of these procedures one you have to be Absolutely. Sure do it for yourself. Yeah, don't do it for anyone else. Yeah, don't do it because you think that's what you should look like without so you should have done the human the whole lip thing. I've got a couple of friends and it just makes me sad and I like oh, you know if you seen so-and-so know I just feel that you know, my lips my lips are really thin because I don't and I don't I don't think that's actually the case mmm because the comparison has just got Bonkers, you know, because actually but that is not what people look Look like naturally. Yeah, and again not saying that's wrong. Yeah, well that they shouldn't do that but don't feel pressured to that that you should exactly exactly comparison is the thief of Joy that's right. That was a comparison is the thief of your own self-worth. Yeah. I think a lot of the time yeah, you're absolutely right which brings me nicely onto the boat. Ohms. Yeah. We're not saying people shouldn't have it. I know loads of people that have it and they look so good two in fact. Push your skin feels good. She reluctantly just had my birthday. Yeah, in fact my dad believe it or not when he sort of semi retired from Dentistry when and trained I did it in Botox yet interesting. He didn't love it. I know he didn't feel confident okay with it. So he only did he otherwise, I think he only did it for a while as I could just I just don't think it hasn't been doing which is exactly what he should have done. Yeah trusting Antony's best friend is a nurse and he's trained to do Botox as well. Yeah, so it's it's definitely a growing industry is indeed. It's indeed. The average age of the person getting married now is xxx female things as you want. If you're mayor Anna you should not be needing those Ox again. It's difficult for us. They don't do this. Do do this knee lever. I just think it's this whole pressure people have lines on their face. Yeah, even in your teens yo-yo if you are a very Person or very frowny person. Yeah, and there is nothing wrong with trying to enhance. Yeah best bits. Absolutely and perhaps not enhance a bit. So you don't like it's fine. Like we've just said loads of people have it and it's great and you can't always tell if someone's had Botox works when it's been done. Well don't build yourself up so much that two weeks before the wedding you like right? Whack it all in give me all the Botox like more than you would normally have or Just don't change your normal routine. Botox is essentially a toxin. That is a muscle relaxant. Okay, so what it means is that you are unable to move certain muscles in your face, which reduces those particular expression lines yet, which by default means that it reduces those expressions. Now that in itself is an interesting one because on your wedding day. Do you want to reduce the amount that you Like you're laughing and smiling and and that's what I mean, isn't it? It's like yeah when you get this extreme thing like there's nothing wrong with any procedures. We don't want you to tell you that it's wrong. I think it should be embarrassed or anything like that because you really shouldn't if you if that's what if that's you know, what about you? I'm definitely interested in it, but the pressure bothers me. Yeah and how much it's unregulated. Yeah. Me and I think it's the level of addiction that comes with those sort of things fully. Yeah, I can tell you just from having my eyelashes done absolutely addicted. Like I haven't got them on right now and well, we're a my eyes. That's how I feel. Like we're my eyes gone and every time I go back I'm always a bit like a little bit longer like a bit thicker this time or and I know that's that's how it that's what you get used to it. Get used to it you get used to how you look you've had the Botox and you think you can adjust to the new Way that your face expresses itself and all those things and you just you change and you get used to it. And then I just worry that people will get to a point when it's their wedding and they've just gone too far because they're so consciously changing these things. I would be so interested to hear from your IE our readers. Yeah, like thoughts on this subject sites and what your experiences are what perhaps me or friends experiences are ya podcaster what we're reading dot product UK? Yeah, right. It in and let us know and then I can add all these things onto the show notes page anything you send in that we think is useful and valuable to other Brides listening rooms listening even because this is you know, we're talking about Brides here making aesthetic changes to themselves. Well, it's I mean, you know 2018 of cosmetic procedures were women. Really yeah - higher than I actually thought if I shun me but yeah any experience you've got with this on the lead up any advice anything like that email it in and You get it in the show notes so that can help or the brides-to-be. Yep in the make decisions. Absolutely the extreme skincare regime's I mean extreme I get lost and I'm quite into you know makeup and Yang's are like a like products like buying products like shiny packaging. I like the kind of things that people say marketing. Yeah, but you don't need 55 products. Phone to try and look like whatever the Photoshop version of the model is because the products, you know, no problems only 19. Yeah, and the front of whatever campaign is you said before it's to do with your stress levels that can impact your skin massively. Are you drinking enough water out hydrated enough? I and you know this and Simon who edits the podcast knows this. I'm like a prune. I hardly drink any water at all. Simon's forever checking me fingertips to see if they're in called or not and I've started the last week and a half up in my water intake to two liters a day as is recommended or eight glasses of eight ounce glasses of water at the 8x8 wall. I've learnt a clam. Yeah, that's right, you know just like a normal high ball glass 8 ounces eight of them a day in assorted and I have pretty crappy skin. That's one of my big things if I could peel my whole face off and start with fresh skin than I'd absolutely do it funny though because I look at you and don't think that at all and that is one of the biggest points. It's a snake. Yeah, all about self insecurities that we all have like I hate my skin with a passion. This is funny because I think you look quite fresh face because you don't wear a lot of makeup. Yeah. I mean like yeah, it's not like that because it looks bloody worse. If I put like jeez then I just looked like a big cake face. Anyway, that's by the by but it's right like you might look at me and think you skins perfectly fine, but you have is your own insecurities, isn't it? But anyway back to the point of helping your skin and me saying, Now drinking this 2 liters of water a day. I've been doing it for two weeks really really consciously making myself get up in the morning. First thing. I do is drink a glass of water and then I make sure throughout the day. I have the other seven always if I find that if I'm starting first thing with one it sort of gets me going. Yeah, and I don't know if it's the right way or wrong way to do it, but I just do it last time. I can't sit there with a bottle of water and just you know, I have a sip every now and then I set myself certain times get up fill the glass up neck it done. And then I know that that water intake is done some I'm not very good. Good, it consumed in liquid. I don't know if that sounds like the most ridiculous thing you've ever heard, but I'm not very good at drinking just not and never have been but ever since this last two weeks. I've been doing it. My skin is definitely better like you go and you haven't you I'd say and I never know whether it's Placebo or not with me when I really try and reduce water during the day. Anyway, yeah, not necessarily like two liters, but I can't say that it's made. That much of a difference for me right with me. It's more if I'm you know, like how like how happy you are how good you feel? Yeah within yourself like if I'm doing exercise like yes, so I enjoy it. I'm not afraid to admit that I don't ya do it for me. I'll do it for health reasons, but I do it because I like doing it. I like switching on you should feel good. I like the way like my body feels more flexible and I feel stronger and all those things and I find from you know, keeping on top of like My exercise not eating all the sugar. Yeah not messing with my skin too much, you know? Yeah quite simple products that that's what's me. Yeah, you know if I sit and Italy V8, yeah, it's finding that thing that works for you and it can be really tricky really really tricky and I find I find that my skin goes through Cycles. It's definitely always worse a certain time, but I don't think there's anything I can do about that perhaps areas, but then again it's going through trial and error of all the different products and things all the money at might not you know now and again it we've got to go back to again, you know, if you see in your Instagram feed on your Facebook page or whatever it is and you've got somebody that is there to influence you and tell you that this 200 quid face cream is the best thing they've ever used your I can pretty much guarantee you that that's probably the third face cream that they've said is the best face cream that I've ever used in the last order is recommending a really harsh or retinol that you put on your face and you're like and then here And then be all angles and acid on them put some retinol on you know, and all this is that it's just that and again, you know, I've tried to do as much research as I can and please when you're listening to this podcast we are not dermatologist. Yeah. So if you have a skin issue go and see one. Yeah, we said this before or go to your GP and go referral but please we are telling you to go and do that before you start putting all these harsh because it's not regulated either. Either. Yeah, it really isn't and so again, you know, you definitely saw, you know, exactly what's in the products of stuff and you don't the concentration of ingredients in a product are the order in which they were written. So the first ingredient that you see listed is the highest concentration of that thing, but it's not just that it's what ingredients are mixed with other ingredients. Yeah, and some of them like just they're sort of combination is irritating and you wouldn't necessarily know that You know serum a mixed with serum be really shouldn't mix them together at all. And or one might cancel out the effects of the other. Yeah. So again, it's if you don't know keep to the simple basic. Yeah and don't start a new skin routine a month before no you need to know in case you have a good reactions or anything. It's just in yeah, just be careful before you start. Any new Beauty regime's don't do them too close to the wedding and do it to make a change to your lifestyle. If it's to do with self-care those sort of things. Don't do it just for your wedding do it as a change to your life. Exactly. Yes. So we focused on a lot on the Aesthetics of your how you look but actually this podcast is not just about that. Yeah. It's about don't change yourself. Stay true to yourself and that goes for anything else to do with your wedding. Absolutely. Echo or the color scheme or what? Everyone wears the importance of certain Traditions or the non importance of certain traditionally the fact that everyone's having a compass grass. When well, you know, it's phenomenon say that because I do some Trends come and go. Yeah, it is what it is. You like them great use them but you don't after yeah, that's not what it's all about. And that's it. Yeah, if you see things exactly see them because of the way that our submissions work. Yeah, we'll have these sort of Of you know similar gowns for a while or yes, and we look alike. Wait. Yeah, that's how it is. That's absolutely fine. Yeah, and at the moment we are seeing a lot of pampas grass has them now. It is not my bag at all. I'm not saying I don't I'm not saying I do not appreciate it. Looks it looks great. But the people yes Stephen I can't let my what they've done with it. Yeah, but for me, I'd be like, well, I just wouldn't know what to do with that. Just know how how do you what do ya like not A and it's okay. Therefore don't feel the pressure for you to have Pumpers got and that's fine because it's not you doesn't seem to be changing your whole self if you thought yeah. Well they're doing that. But why would I even do with it? Where would I start then? There's your answer don't start with it. No doing exactly or this whole thing with detail. I you know, it's great if you can bring in your personality to your wedding, but perhaps as a couple you are very simplistic prayers you like candy starling. Two years which are quite impaired by the and strip back and neutral color scheme and all the rest of it. It doesn't mean that your wedding is going to be lacking. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. It doesn't mean volumes of who you are is a key. It's just that the emphasis is perhaps on things that are more difficult to see. Yeah. So like the music yes, or their food. Yes, or your shoes look, Diodorus, but you know what? I mean, right? Yes, it's different for everybody it again it's so if it's been quite an interesting one doing this particular podcast because we don't want to contradict. Yeah, it was the beginning of what we do because yeah, we give you inspiration was showing you yeah these amazing weddings pampas grass on open Foursquare has dude and you can take inspiration from that. Yeah, or you can just Scroll on by yeah. Yeah, either all yeah fine. Yeah, like just have the best day. Yeah, and even if you take yeah one small thing for a whole of the whole of the internet then yeah and make the rest up as you go along. Yeah. That's that's also a great. Yeah. Absolutely. So let's summarize many. Thanks. We understand that. You want to look the best version of yourself. We do. It's very important that You appreciate yourself a hundred percent a way that you look yeah, there's a lot of incorrect information. Absolutely. I'm not just come out and say it downright lies. Really. Yeah on the internet there in social media feeds about things that will change the way you look when they don't. Yeah, and they probably got lots of risks and adverse effects. Yeah attached to them as we know not only like physical adverse effect. It's It's those internal mental. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, the Cosmetic industry particular aesthetic cosmetic industry. So Botox and fillers is almost entirely unregulated. Yeah, so please take that on board and even like the less invasive things beauty treatment. Yeah still have risks with them. Absolutely and we just want you to feel amazing and have the best day do whatever's right for you. Yeah, but actually we met Having some kind of cosmetic enhancement, that's fine. Yeah, but don't feel that you want it to look like X. Yes who 99.9% of the time doesn't look like that either. Yeah, because there's just no point. The expectations are just unrealistic and and remember if you're making that change don't make a change for one day of your life. No, it's a big change that you are happy to have forever. Yeah forever ever. Yeah, no one wants to look back on those on their photos and think Look to themselves. Yeah, I was unhappy. Yeah, because I think that's what it comes down to isn't it? It's like it's all I look back there and remember a time where I felt like absolute shite. Yeah, like I can't think of anything worse than that. It's a like we said at the start. It's Wouldn't do bring out your insecurities because you are very aware of yourself because you are obviously the focal point of you know, the dates of people walk down that aisle. It's in some guys. Yeah or another where everybody is looking at you. Yeah, but take that time to really work on yourself. And I know it sounds all airy-fairy and cliche and stuff but it's all about self love and being happy with who you are and knowing you've got a partner that wants to be with you forever. The way that you are for who you are always always remember that yeah, I don't feel the pressure. Like you said to turn yourself into somebody that you're not because you don't need to you're perfect as you are and don't forget also not to change your personality for your wedding as well. Remember to inject yourselves into the wedding and not go on the trends that are happening that you see on Instagram unless you really like the militia effective think you're gonna like it for a long time exactly be true to yourselves if you do want to write in To ask so I know that we have had some DMS that kind of Point towards this kind of pressure and I don't know whether people are a bit embarrassed to talk about it or they'd rather be anonymous or whatever it is, but it's difficult to cover in an episode like this is personal. It is personal. But if you do feel pressure or this particular episode has resonated with you and the way that you're feeling and you do want to email us and then you know, we are more than happy to do another absolutely follow of yeah, and we'll share some of your experiences. Try and make everyone yet feel a bit more confident and just chat. We know that you like chatting to us, you know, we get the DNA as where I've had some great conversations and emails with some of you and I know but we're not experts but we've been there we get the pressure. We understand it all which is the point of having this episode is to say don't feel the pressure. But if you do drop us a line and we'll let's just have a chat bring it and then maybe everybody will feel a bit better about themselves. Yeah, but everyone knows that they're not the only person that feels Like that exactly. So yeah email the podcast at rock my wedding da Hood at UK. Let's have a big chat about self-love. Yeah, and on that note. Yeah, we will see you we will in a few weeks the by now. Thank you. This podcast was brought to you by Becky and Charlotte from Rock my reading the UK's most influential wedding band for more content visit with my reading got code at UK follow us on Instagram at rock my wedding or by the book your day. Away from Amazon or any leaving book retailer. This podcast is produced by we are the flux.

They say that comparison is the thief of joy which we totally agree with but when it comes to weddings, we feel like it can be the thief of self worth. We are continually bombarded with images of perfection. from the shiny curated grids we see on Instagram to alleged "reality" TV. This notion of perfection and changing yourself to fit a certain mould is prevalent on every social media platform all day every day. We all know that perfection doesn't exist and striving to meet someone elses vision of perfect, especially for your wedding day is down right unhealthy. We want to talk to you about loving yourself. If you want to make aesthetic changes to yourself thats absolutely fine but we want you to know the risks involved and we want you to know that for one day - it's possibly not worth it. You're making a commitment for life when you enter into a marriage and any changes you decide to undertake should be for exactly that. For a life of growing old with your partner who loves you exactly the way you are. This episode isn't all about aesthetics, its about personality too. It's about having the day you want and not being swayed by wedding trends because you think you should and your bridesmaid really likes the idea of you having a massive floral moongate because she 'saw it on Pinterest and everyone has one these days' meanwhile you don't have Pinterest and what the heck is a moongate?! Follow your heart, follow your style and your day will be perfect. We should mention that we realise our Instagram feed, website and Pinterest are full to the brim of all sorts of wedding inspiration. Some which we realise people might find daunting; out of their budgets; entirely unrealistic perhaps. But we strive to share a real eclectic mix of weddings for those with budgets from 500 quid to 50 grand. We're not here to make judgements on peoples preferences, we just want to share as much as we can to help inspire you and bring out your personalities and inject them into your wedding days. We never want any couple to think that they aren't worthy and that they can't possibly live up to this bonkers world of Instagram perfect weddings. We've said it before and we'll continue to say it; all the imperfections are what lead to an utterly perfect day. You are all amazing. Style is entirely subjective so what suits one couple wont suit another and thats fine. As long as you are in love and you're saying your I Do's for the right reason then that is all you will ever need. Disclaimer: We love pampas grass - we're just too creatively inept to make them work - if you are too but love them, get yourself an amazing florist from The List to make your dreams come true. Check out the show notes page to see couples who really had their days their way and let their personalities and personal style sine through.

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Welcome to Real Housewives of New York City after show. I'm your host Hollywood Leanne and I'm your girl Chelsea Star Jones. We're here the dynamic duo back again back again. How you been - good. Did you like the episode? I thought it was alright. Yeah, they've had better they've had better. I like that. Yeah. I know. I know I flew through the air with the highest of he's I would say I was very enthused how like happy they were to it. Like I would doubt that look like fun. But yeah, it was a bunch of girls Ki King. And I mean, it's fun. It was whatever the mid-season trailer we have a lot to talk about tweets conjured up by Yours Truly news with Chelsea. We have a lot of things to talk about. So let's just dive in right away Hooker Hooker Hooker Sonia turns right around like we said Bethenny has a new driver. He's kind of cute. His name is Albie and they're headed to And do as the brooklands do in Brooklyn they do. Oh, I don't know. I was just I was just being going with it. Yeah. Okay. See do is the brooklands do hello gorgeous. That's how the brooklands them. Yeah. They say hello. Gorgeous. They're going for art and this Art Studio. Oh my God rabbits and a table of socialites including Tinsley Bernadette Peters. Let's talk about this crazy art gallery that see that screen. But money to me, I mean sure it was a little bit kooky which I mean, it's fun. It's eclectic. It's different and I liked how Bethany was like, you know, it it really made you understand where tensley and Sonja like how their lives used to be like being in that like ridiculous socialite New York seems like there's no social media. Yeah. There's no reason to be an art gallery with like thousands of birds like this is how like this is how rich these people. Yeah story Society legitimize their yeah, so it was I mean it was cool. It was cool. But I did also love and enjoy we will say the girl talk on the way to yeah Gallery users get used and my marry for money and you pay for the rest of your life. So good so good and what they were saying was in reference to tensley and I just I mean it they kind of spilled some tea like with what the Sonia did and I guess was saying that you know, you know Tinsley's using Scott to get back on her feet and shot uses uses her too. Yeah firm candy. She was very vocal tonight about Tinsley's relationship. Yeah that really set the tone for tonight because everything else was just either slammed into us like Bethenny said or just brought up like very nonchalant tonight. So yeah, it was very interesting Dynamic. I love Sonja and Bethenny's relationship and that talk on the car. Was vital to what happens later on in the episode. Of course. The reason I said this place screamed money is because the place is huge and just like real estate Wise It's all I could think like this place is I'll babe Bernadette Peters like yeah, this guy's crazy and I do want like an art piece. I thought they were one. Did you like I like I thought the pink rabbit sugar should go to Bryn's room. Yeah, you know couch I would say it's very much. I don't like the couch. I think that would be cute for a kid's room. I thought the idea So for the kids, yeah, okay. Well, that's different. Yeah, I think that'd be cute for kids are my did like the one painting that she said she liked with the different colors. I did like that and it's called ashwagandha. Do you know what that means? Tell me? I don't either they put it in my drink at this matcha place and it made me feel like amazing and in a good mood. I think it's like a mood thing. I was talking to her boys act Peters. What's up Zach today? Because I like the wellness King and ask you some questions and he did drop some Oscar. That and to our text message and I had no idea what he was saying. So I just disregarded it. No. No. Yes. That's yeah, we're going to talk about that afterwards because yeah, it's insane but it was very interesting. I liked I liked the piece that kind of look like it was almost like The Pastels and stuff like a man to pastels right now. Are you yes, April 26th, Taylor Swift's coming out with her pastel album. I forgot your teaspoon. And I know a few things that we just don't agree. I love like this Hood. Well Luann and Tinsley go to a meeting speaking of people that don't really agree in but they go to coffee afterwards because you obviously can't see cameras into a meeting like that. But she reveals to LuAnn that they've broken up mostly because of the dinner it triggered something within her obviously Bethany broker is like that dare just broken up pieces. You all the answers. I know Helen so she was like, I'm sorry. Like I just took it to heart speaking about the knee. She obviously needs an exorcism later in the season side that's going to be fun to talk about these entities was like that was the best part of the episode. Yes. It was so good. Actually Stephen if we have time. Can you pull up that trailer for The mid-season midseason? Yeah, that would be amazing to watch would be great to watch. If not, it's fine. But let's let's let's keep moving. It was interesting. She freaked out on him rightfully. So yeah, and now it's over. I feel like this was something that was conjured up by the ladies with good intention. It didn't come across really. Well. They ended up breaking her psychologically and mentally but it did do some good because she mustered up the courage to you know, call her boyfriend and say look, I don't know what's going on. They put a bunch of ideas in my head. But all I know is like I You hear like that's the basics of it and he said no since she was like, you know what? No. No, she needed a push and and you know, whether the push was the truth or dare or you know, good conversation with I don't know Dale whatever she needed a yeah, and that was the push and I think I mean, I think a lot of times women and even men and relationships you kind of need that to realize like maybe this isn't the right like because you live in such like a hazy. Yeah, you know Everything's great kind of land until you kind of get other people's perspectives and you realize you know what this relationship really isn't feeling might and luck. She's going to get it from jail because Dale wants her to get married till on certain quick-ass yapping with Scotts the quickest, you know, and to her she sees like a successful man and she's like, wham-bam. Thank you man, like get it going land that deal. You know what I mean? I feel like that's how the that upbringing in now for sure. But I mean, I just yeah is it You like are they really still broken up? Like do we know that to this day if they're like still kaput every time she's on Watch What Happens Live? She's like we're not together right now. It's weird together. They don't really provide anything for each other's lives. I feel like there's think of tensley's looking for a new start in New York. She needs a New Yorker. She's not going to have a new start if she hasn't had it by now. She's never gonna have it. You're getting on a show hitting on a TV show. She was like, I'm gonna just Like shed my old image and start a new one and she technically has but she still feels like she's looking for this Fresh Start. So maybe she's just lost as a person. I'm gonna go ahead and defend him SLI for the moment because we have been getting bashed in the comments and I are watching Hensley haters and I'm just going to say I don't hate tensley. I just think that she's definitely coming more into her own this season, but we just haven't gotten a lot from her. I think seeing a lot more about her relationship with Scott and her backstory with her father that were you know, just now kind of like peeling the the layers off of has kind of like warmed her up. I think it made her a lot more likable on camera. But yeah, I mean I was actually smoke cigarettes. Yeah, that's something we learned. I don't see her as this socialite public like a shy to me or a person like even in that but like back in the the day idea. Yeah, I like even in that, you know alcoholics friend thing family thing. She was you know, I'm afraid to speak in public and for the dog show. I'm afraid to speak in public like she doesn't seem like a socialite, you know, because those people are just like loud out there ready? Yeah. She just doesn't seem like well, she was like a different kind of feel like she was like a charity walk the carpet to get my picture taken kind of so she like Blair Waldorf. She wasn't like Paris Hilton like on the carpet, you know falling down and like drunk and like saying that's hot. I guess, you know, I would rather be Paris. But you know what the girls are going out to dinner and Tenzin to render are going to the circus the Big Apple Circus. She's going to be the ringmaster and dorinda's says she knows how to fly through the air with the greatest of ease. It's been confirmed. She is a circus freak is ready to take her job watch out Tinsley and stop crying. You're not a fucking trapeze. That was honestly other than Bethenny Bethenny had me cracking up earlier with the the in birds and everything hysterical and the art dealer like don't get them all around up. Bernadette Peters is amazing. I really loved this little tries trapeze segment because there's only two kinds of people in the world the kind the entertain and the kind that observe. Thank you Britney Spears free Brent day. I was gonna fashion free, Brittany. In the center of the Ring just like a circus. Yes. Yes. So let's talk about this little fun segment before we talk about the girls going to t-bar kivar. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was fun. I loved her and is like honesty with like I'm not happy for you. I'm jealous. Like I appreciate that. It shows you some that with Luann and we wouldn't have this whole Giovanni state is Q spot. It was again. It was nice to see tensley doing Some yeah, we were just haven't seen a lot of smiles with her previous years and they're gonna get mad right now. She was like, my dad would be so proud that I'm on a trapeze. This is our you guys I'm sorry, but it's oh God II was a little bit. I'm glad your window is very I'm glad I will say like I was like when she was like, yeah, I want to do it. I was like, oh good for her because a lot of times you see these things on these shows when they're like afraid of heights. No, I'm glad she did it. So it's like yeah girl you go up there and then I searched you got there. So like tearing up as like really like I never doing this again literally why the only reason I'm making fun of her because started crying up there. I'm like that's not crying in the circus. There's no crying in the circus and we see in the live chat. Hi Sarah. Hi Jackie. Thank you guys for joining us. Yeah guys, we appreciate it. And before we do move on to t-bar just want to say thank you so much for making us the ESPN of talk TV for us to continue to grow we could use your help if you're on YouTube right now hit that Thumbs Up And subscribe and if you're on iTunes, please give us 5 stars, but no matter where you are. 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Yeah like It took about 10 minutes to get it out. It's like you have men today. Okay, I wanted muddled with I lots of ice Tito's vodka and then I want it filled to the brim with club soda and then in a wine glass with the straw like really sounds complicated, but it really isn't wine glass. I'll take that too. Well, we're all having a good time having Tells and then Michael shows up. There's always a Michael and he's always older and successful in New York. He was basically implying that he had been made the rounds with all three ladies Luann did get Red Sonja was drunk. She smelled a hunch jumped on it like a bloodhound finding something in the forest. I don't know what Sonia yes, cause she was like you've slept with him. I mean, I think you could She say Luann's like stroked off in the corners and she's like she's like either she's some of them are shall she's done something in the corner with them like, you know done a little handy in the corner of the Winds been with everybody. I mean true and I love Sonja gives the best dating advice those old guys. You only slept with them. Wait, you don't sleep with the American the old guys. He married Mary them shells and I'm just like girl like yes. You know, I'm all about that life. I'm skinny 20 years older. He looked like Tony Bennett Timmy. Did he not like my goal. He totally look like Tony Bennett. Well Luann is back physically, but I don't know if she's back that kind of physically. But yeah, she did get kind of like Red Sonja was definitely on it and then Mario shows up and there's a nice threesome Montage of so Anya and the singers yes, which kind of like really made me think did anything freaky ever happened but I was watching that like I've seen I mean the fur trade relationships on camera where it's like two best friend female best friends in the husband and it's kind of like did Mario and Sonia everybody seemed like I don't know like I don't it may be uncomfortable and / I felt like Mario was invited. Yeah Mario's like oh my God. Yeah. I'm looking at boobs. That's the first Like I was like if doesn't ever was near one of my best friends and was looking up her dress looking down it I would like back you would ya don't look at her boobs perfectly great boobs before we continue one of the ways we keep all these shows for you free is by our amazing sponsors. And today Spotify is one of our sponsors on Spotify. You can listen to all of your favorite artists and podcasts in one place for free. You don't even need a premium account Spotify is a huge catalogue of podcasts on every topic including the one you're listening to right now on Spotify. You can follow your favorite. Podcast so you don't miss an episode premium users can even download episodes to listen to offline wherever they are and you can easily share what you're listening to with all your friends and following on Instagram. 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He was having a midlife crisis. He was oh honey. Come on now trust me, maybe because she's also like hot now like, I mean she I mean she is a Ramona I'm on has always been kind of hard. I think she's hotter now than she was then like maybe it was all my always makes you look better, but she looks a lot better and so maybe she just wants more money. She just doesn't she just doesn't Really care, but I mean they make a very beautiful looking couple. Yeah same well Mario seemed very happy to be in front of the cameras. But also at the same time looking like all right, calm down Ramona because I don't want to make it look like we're that close. I think do you think he was invited? Like it wasn't a coincidence that he was there. He was fairly good him. He's completely a whole set of yeah. Okay, like they made it. They try to make it seem like as a casual bumpin, but I'm like, how do you come with the turtle things and the T-shirt? Yeah. When I was a great flashback how great was that? We got to see Ramona like in her prime of her being like a true true true G asshole. Oh Ramone. I love her. She's like she's talking shit about being in Brooklyn. She's like, oh, it's not that bad being here Brooklyn. Like now everyone's moving a Brooklyn and it's more expensive to live in Brooklyn and it isn't Manhattan. I know it's hot. It's insane. It's crazy. I've never been to the t-bar, but I've been to the Regency. And I didn't see Tom but let me just say there was plenty of bald men trying to make out with me when they had wives at home. But yeah, it's a spa day in a hotel suite. That was weird. All right. Well dorinda's moving and here's the tea Ramona ditched her Renda add an event. We saw it with our own eyes, then. She's spoke to page six about it the next day because she's a true Class Act. Let's talk about this don't you just love when people swear on their kids and they're wrong. I love when they swear on their kids in the wrong and there's footage of it that repeatedly gets played and a five minute span of the episode. I mean, it's just so rich in it so shady and it's so Brava and I'm loving your I just like I didn't know what table is that 62 where 62, how do I get to 60 to 62? And I'm just like, oh my God girl sit next to you. I like it. She's so shady. And here's the thing like I would have been okay with the entire like seeing like her jumping up and down doing everything she was going to do because that's what Ramona does but when you shoved her in the like that that wasn't even just like a playful shop. She used two hands. Oh, yeah. She used her body force to move to Renda about three to four feet behind her and the only reason my dependent topple over was because deronda was already in a position where she was like facing forward and her energy was coming forward. I watched it several times. Really? No I did because I was just thinking I cannot believe she put her hands on her like that. Yeah, I mean to do you want to be fighting? Well, you know after Anna had two or three drinks after wonder what a slapped would have been it would have been on but we had Tonto massaged during descent was like cool and mellow. Yeah, it was definitely out of Hannah and even more so because she was wrong like I I mean, I don't really understand putting your hands on anybody for anything. Yeah, but like if you were right if you were like no I I really mistaken. I got confused on my way the table I sat down. I'm so sorry and like you and Dorinda we're going back and forth and then you push her like I could understand but if you're gonna push her and you're caught in a fool like a lot you just looking for we got a lie, and it's like, how are you getting so upset over something that you lied about and then you ran to the papers and like made up of these are alive. Is really just bad to watch only because we're going through this on the other franchises. It wasn't exactly a push but it was a pull of a belt friendships are over the entire Foundation of row houses of Atlanta has been shooken up and NeNe's on the chopping block and like seriously Ramona gets away with shoving a cast member like that. Thank God your window was like in this peaceful state, but I don't even like I wouldn't have blamed her under for anything that would have happened. Sure that when you put your hands on someone like that. I'm sorry. If I'm making a big deal out of it. You don't do that. I'm actually a little bit surprised that how it's very like white privilege. I'm sorry. It is I'm surprised at how upset you are about it when it was really something that was just like kind of, you know graced over and episode. They didn't mention it and her like it was it was very well. Durendal was like I have dealt with this so many times with Ramona she is so typical and she's very predictable at this point. I'm just going to let it go but in Reality, like we really need to start holding people accountable. And Ramona is one of them. She's ridiculous. You want to know how I know she knows she's wrong. She's been tweeting up a storm. She's been tweeting up a storm. So make sure to tune in to our news and gossip and our tweet section because we have receipts. Ramona is wrong. Okay, she is wrong for that and sonja's is trying to get everyone to come to friendlies and 10 says call me when you're in the front page. Age of the post okay this little page six article Don't even pay attention to that unless I'm on it Barbara and to render our good and the workers of the spa are just gone. They're like, I don't even want to be around here. Don't even get treatment. I'm at the end like nails done or something, but I didn't see anybody. I saw people eating and fighting these spot is in the housewives franchises. Like they never really go over one another in Jersey and it was kind of like everyone no one wanted to do a face mask. Yeah and then because they want to take Think about yeah, and then Anna Beverly Hills they did one. It didn't go. Well we can work on it work on Beverly Hills because they split them up. Like if you split the ladies up writing about the Bahamas. No, not that small day. It was I think it was last season when they all fight over at Teddy's house and duryodhana the wine and the wine glass and Gianna champagne flute and no one got any Services done them to yeah. Yeah, you don't do a spa down on housewives. Well, no, no lube. Just jam it. In we broke up Bethany's here. So Tinsley's is spilling in and Bethany saying she's the best breaker up ever and no that's not true. She's the ringmaster get it, right. This is all weird to as well like Bethenny's going around going. This is great news and like I would have just been like a little bit more sensitive because what if she is just like putting on yeah, like what if she's putting on a front she's like, you know, what even though? I didn't didn't work. I still invested like my time and energy in this man like So upset about it like be a little bit nice don't yell great news from the 97th floor into Manhattan grab it from the mountaintops. I do think it was a little bit of an over reaction. She could definitely like, you know, wrapped it up a little bit prettier. But I mean, yeah, it's it's true though, like and and of Tinsley is coming off like yeah, we broke up like I think like if she's coming off cheers. Your natural response would be to match that, you know, so you would be a little bit more like oh, yeah, that is like, you know, if you seem happy right now, yeah must be great is that it's not the tribute to like the New York cast. Yeah. It's there just on a whole different kind of level. They're gonna plan it there New York. Their energies are so high. It's literally like, you know, I'm thinking it's kind of like RuPaul's Drag Race like the drag queens. They're just like screaming over each other and just trying to like top each other. That's what they're doing in that spot room. Yeah, but I was like six energies trying to like just thank God there's cameras everywhere. We're not missing anything is not peaceful or spa-like whatsoever. Barbara was ready to like go with Ramona and Ramona was ready to give it to her. But apparently she didn't but she did muster out. Well, why would I go shopping with you? If you don't like me, I'm Barbara was like, all right, tell between the legs. Look I shouldn't have said that she should have been like look you haven't been really friendly to me. So that's why I said that but we can obviously start over and be cool like you want to go. To you want to take me shopping since you're reading me on my wrap dress, you know what hot take Barbara's new Tinsley what I always Barbara has balls. I can't stand her when she's on like I just I don't know why we're still talking about her Barbara why she's a thing. Like I just I want her to go away. I saw that she was on Watch What Happens tonight? Like I don't want this to happen. Like I do not want Barbara to happen. I saw it like on Twitter that Barbara was they were tweeting about Barbara like how she was a thing back in the day like what thing like bring the thing like she just she's not doing it for me. She actually isn't doing it for me and there's a reason why she does have an apple because she's just not it like stop making it are you you are influenced by Ramona Ramona side. I just don't like don't I don't like when they push people on us and I feel like she's being pushed. Yeah. Well, even though the wrap dresses were all different two of them looked exactly the same and think it was the print like, yeah we Some print stuff coming up to let you know I think we're better have a good wrap dress. So I like I can't hate on her for that. I wasn't mad at the Raptors because it's very easy. But if you are going to be on TV like switch it up. Yeah, you have to Kyle's always in her foot Kyle and Nene are always in their flowy like vacations different though. They've been on they've been on for seasons and I wish themselves like Kyle's caftans like amazing. They're like probably $3,000. Exactly. It's okay. I see I see I see I don't really like Nene's caftans hers are more like athleisure where it's very like. Yeah athletic casual as Kyle wears like everything flowy. Like if I was a girl I would wear nothing but flowy stuff, you know, because I need to hide like the pooch I was like, oh, I'm just trying to hide the cool kids, you know, I I love I love a Kyle Captain. So yes, I see you guys in the live chat. They were making fun of you Chelsea. I know who Tony Bennett is. How you doing? Yes. I just I don't associate Michael Tony Bennett. You look just like him. Yeah. I just I don't know. I don't think I okay. Well she didn't think it'd look like anybody Bennett when I saw Michael, but she knows who he is Give Me Shelter Give Me Shelter. We're doing bronzes of New York. So if you want to know about NeNe you need to tune in to its Bravo bitch my I show here at AfterBuzz TV where I discuss our favorite Provo shows and we talked about it and we do everything from Real Housewives of Atlanta to New York to Vanderpump Rules summer house top chef Mexican dynasties. We're talking about add-ons nipples next episode. So give me shelter. I agree. I hope knees on The Chopping Block. So I hope you yeah. Well, oh it's looking. It's looking good for Nene. So Tune In Tune in. Yes, you guys are funny in the live chat. Well, let's just say Get into news and gossip because obviously this is the end of the episode like the mid-season trailer. It was so good. Like that was honestly the mid-season trailer was incredible. Do we have the mid-season trailer? Okay, well blah blah what pull it up next episode, but for now, let's do the news and gossip with Chelsea start Joan. Yes guys. So we got some little bit more news on Tinsley and Scott. I'm she wrote in her Bravo blog though. I love Scott dealing with his issues of privacy is difficult. Perhaps I do appear to walk on eggshells around here around him and I'm confused by his constant breakups out of the blue. So I'm going to kind of we can't we spoke about this last week where I just was He's just not someone that wants to be involved in in her world, which is a big issue like now dates now now that he did when it was convenient for now that he has some have some promotion. Yeah, he when it was, you know, feeding him and then like like Sonia said like users get used. Yeah. So I mean I was essentially it and you know, he's gonna get some dates out of being on TV. Yeah. Yeah girls are gonna approach him because he was on Real Housewives of New York. Exactly. Don't say I'm wrong because there's always like A few bad apples that act like that when Jesus wouldn't like Jesus wasn't watching. Yeah, so she went on to say I have to figure a way to put this puzzle together successfully or I'm afraid this relationship will be over and then she goes on and talks about Luann's weird entitlement issues. Don't appear to be over it which is something we kind of seen that sneak peek. Yeah. No, I have known her for years and I know she enjoys the Countess thing. I've really never seen her to this a degree of air. Against she seems unable to focus on anything other than herself and her knees. She's selling out Chicago Theaters. That's why you know, like the iconic Chicago theater with the sea and everything. She's sold it out. Yeah, she's sold it out. So the Countess is hot right now. I forget you. Love you some blue cheese because she does go on to say I have to say the Luann was really really surprised me with her wisdom and kindness when we shared when she shared her feelings about her dad. Dad so that like in even in today's episode when has her little moments moments, but she's definitely been a diva that know. She really has been a diva and everyone knows Luann is my favorite Housewife of all time. Mostly because of the facade that she's put on the music and because she loves men so much. I love that and I love that. She loves the cockpit. She's all about the cocktails. Oh, yeah the cocktails but not now. The mocktail now, it's just about the cock and the yoga and the Cabaret because life is a cabaret. Let's get into some tweets to eat sweets. Tweet it up with me. Y'all make sure to follow me at Hollywood lean if you want your tweets featured on the AfterBuzz show if you want it featured here on the after-show, make sure to tweet me and hashtag AfterBuzz TV. So I know that it's the tweet for AfterBuzz show. I'll put it on the show. It just has to be relevant. And good and full of shade. So let's get into the tweets. The first one is by yours. Truly. I tweeted because I was so mad at Ramona. I tweeted here it is. I would have slapped the Upper East Side out of Ramona Singer for shoving me like that. So rude and you swear on your kids redic hashtag RH o n why I love the slap the Upper East Side. Yes, and it got eight likes I am just going viral. Trending hashtag trending. So go like it you guys give it a little like the next one is by my new friend who just followed me on Twitter. Can we pull up a little bit closer so I can see the name Miss Danielle and it's pyro Danielle at pyro. Danielle says when you order something online versus when it comes in the mail and it's basically - can we go down a little bit? It's Erika Jayne and durendal. They both have the same confessional. Look Rock in the cheetah print. And what I love some Cheetah Girls, so who better I need to know gals team Erika Jayne or team to render. Let us know quickly in the chat. What do you think Chels? Who wore it better Irene? I hate the shade of the tree. It's actually really funny but I will go ahead. I mean, I love me some Erika Jayne and she let that hair on Erika. Jayne is a little it's perfect. Really. This is flat like it's trying to do the same thing and there is flat and what So makes Eric has that much better. Is she every time she says something like shady or like sassy. She takes a sip of the champagne. Yeah. Those are her legs and it just kills me. I'll I live for Erika Jayne you're just listening and not watching like we have a photo up of the two gals. So make sure to watch it on the after showing YouTube so you could see it. Our next tweet is by the housewives guy another one of my friends online and he says Dear durendal medley, I'd be happy to to go to any and every social event with you for the rest of time just invite me next time obviously is referring to Ramona. Just ditching her date. Yeah, who does that who ditches their date unless they're like way hotter and that person like Dell Della Delia. I don't know she has to be like Bill Gates Rich because Ramona just dropped her into like a fly away dead as she must be somebody but must be somebody I'm sorry and then chat about the Brenda and Erica Giovanni versus Versace. That is amazing. That is Sarah. Yes, that is amazing. I liked I liked the renders. Look it wasn't like it was a step up for the Renda. Obviously Erica Dean's always going to Trump her. I mean, yeah, Erika Jayne Trump's almost like literally everybody but they both are killing the leopard-print. Yeah. 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Hi, welcome back to the Chinese medicine podcast. I'm Mary Hopkinson Chinese medicine practitioner and today on the channel. We're going to be talking about spleen energy deficiency. What is it? How can we help it? And what can we do to understand? Like why would understanding it even helped us to be able to treat those things the symptoms of it ourselves as patients rather than needing to go and see a practitioner what could a Chinese medicine like a herbalist or an acupuncturist actually do for you? What is the spleen energy deficiency? And how can we help you if you have that so it's a very very common Chinese medicine diagnosis and what happens when you get spleen Qi deficiency, the main symptoms people get is bloating problems with their bowels, like diarrhea or loose loose bowel movements on the loser side and the constipated side and they tend to get things to do with their digestive system or in a western medicine sensor cambree can be the Endocrinology kind of system as well. So things to do with hormones Regulation of your digestive system thats related to don't like your gut health your absorption of nutrients and things like that. So if we go back a little step because this is a true talk going to be a tutorial video. So it's a little bit more informational rather than like a bang bang bang. Here's the here's the I'll give you some things you can do to help Chinese medicine is all about understanding how our body interrelates with itself in a Chinese medicine. Framework, but also within the environment and it is a very different system of medicine to Western medicine. So if you're not familiar with the general basics of Chinese medicine and I'll pop a couple of links in the description below and you can go and check that out. So the first video I recommend you watch to so inform you about this either at the end of this or before this and I'll cover some of that stuff in this video is called why eat mostly cooked foods and that explains how the spleen and stomach works as a digestive system. So it's just another way of explaining it. So if you listen to this video on your life, I still don't really understand go watch that video and that kind of gives you a bit more information. Now, you might be listening to this on iTunes or Spotify or anchor or different platforms there that the podcast is broadcasting on now, so welcome if you're listening only if you're watching on YouTube Welcome as well. And so if you are listening to this podcast on the iTunes and things like that and you want to watch the podcast I put all of the episodes on to you. YouTube and you can watch on YouTube as well. So welcome to this episode. We're going to be talking about your digestion mainly and one of the very common diagnosis is of Chinese medicine in TCM or traditional Chinese medicine called spleen Qi deficiency. Now, what does it mean so firstly the chi of your body is the the energy or the functional aspect of your body? No sort of ad lib a little bit and explain a bit more about this broaden this topic out a bit now the style of Chinese medicine I do. It isn't tasty M. So this the the diagnosis of spline chain efficiency. We kind of think of that more as encompassing the Earth element of your body. So the Earth or the still still the same idea, but we just don't use that label of spleen Qi deficiency in classical Chinese medicine. So you might be watching this and you are a patient of classical Chinese medicine. Well, welcome as well and I'll try and Encompass these ideas into that whole system so you can kind of understand that as well, but I know a lot of patients get this diagnosis, And they don't know what it means and then I Googled it and that's why I'm making this video to kind of help you explain and help you understand and for me to explain that what that means. So your spleen in Chinese medicine belongs to the Earth element, which the Earth relates to spleen and stomach now, why is that important? Why bring that up Marie because it's a functional system looking at how our body functions in relationship to the environment and the Earth is related to your digestion for a very good reason because it is exactly like the Earth. It's like as in the dirt the Earth If you think of a pot plant that's growing but is needed for that plant to thrive. Let's say for that plant to grow and nourish and you can think of the pot plant example embodying all of the five elements in Chinese medicine. So the plant itself the growth of the plant is it would be would write because it is wood so plants are wood in Chinese medicine and then you need sunshine, which is fire. You need the you need the warmth of the sun wood fire earth is the actual Earth of dirt that is in the Pot plant and then you have the metal which is like the dryness of the environment and also the elimination of the environment. So metal is like lungs and large intestine. So the actual air that's in some in ayurvedic medicine. They think of metal is are the element and then you also have so the oxygen that sort of stuff and the the outside air environment and then you have water which is the water that you put on it now for that in order for that. Like to grow it kind of needs the homeostasis that needs the environmental support of all of those things. It can't have just one of those things if it gets too much of one of those things, it won't Thrive Italy it still might grow but it might not Thrive or it might not grow at all or it might start to die. And so that's kind of how we think about things in our body. So if you have a plant that is the earth of the plant needs water, but it doesn't like too much water. And so how do you get Rid of too much water. And now this is what we're thinking about in Chinese medicine. We think about spleen with the titles video. It's like spleen Qi deficiency. What does that mean? So what happens is the earth can't support the proper nourishment of the soil and either gets too waterlogged in either gets like bogged down with water. So there's too much water and not enough drainage and so that plant starts to rot in there and that's is very often the case when you have spleen Qi deficiency. It's like the spleen energy the Earth Energy. And so look energy is a is a mystical word and it's our money using it because you've probably been told that I'm trying this medicine and but I tend to think of energy as function. So the the functional aspect of that's plain the functional aspect of the earth is deficient. It's not working properly. So what should This Plane do we have to know that to know how would it get to fish? And what would that be? So your yourse please job is to transform and transport what that Is like the Earth like the actual dirt the pot plant when it's job is to transform the water. So actually to utilize the water goes into a pot plant in order for that tree to grow that plant to grow. It has to absorb the water so that the Earth's the the spleens job is to kind of help do that. So you drink water and then your body can metabolize that water either can take that water into it and utilize it for some purpose or it can excrete that water out. Out and this please job is kind of deciding that's discriminating. Do we need this or do we not need that in the digestive tract now, there's other elements that kind of helped out with this as well. But that's one way of thinking of it. And so it's transforming food and fluids. So the talk about the fluids and what about the food? Well, you get fluid from foods to and the different kinds of foods you eat. This is why diet makes a big difference in spleen energy disharmony because you you can sometimes cause it to happen by eating too many foods that are what we call. Anthony Foods, so too many waterlogging kind of foods foods that don't facilitate that free flow of that movement that's needed. And so therefore the pot plant might not have enough drainage now, I don't even have had a pot plant and you put too much water in it. Well the roots just rot. Right? So what if you've put like a lot of water in something or you've used I'm a little container at the bottom that keeps the water in there you've gone away on holidays and you come back and that would have stagnant and hasn't moved anywhere that has it's been very cold in your house it will you put too much water in. And there's been no way for it to drain away. And so that stagnant water has that's actually like dampness is kind of stagnant water. It's not able to move it's become thick and like probably got bacteria and stuff like that growing in it now in that in that pot plant and it's not helped. It's actually hindered it. So what is good, but not too much water. Like what is good if there's if there's if it's fresh water and what is good if it's been used but when it's not being used it kind of gets makes that plant kind of get bogged down well that transforming and transporting function. Working very well anymore. So how can the body digest the food and fluids properly black and that's why you get that main symptom of floating. So it's more in the whole like the whole abdomen rather than just in this part because in this part, it's mostly like your epigastric area is mostly related to your stomach which is still related to the Earth so it can be it could be that but if the if it's that area there right under your sort of right under your breast bone, that would be more the epigastric area and that's often a stomach disharmony. But it could also that that in a Chinese medicine sense this idea of spleen Qi deficiency gives you this sense of bloating. So you get this fullness. And now for the average person, it doesn't really like when you go to her boss, they're going to know like they might give you different hubs based on where that bloating is, but for understanding it from just a from a just a general perspective. It's not because make too much difference exactly where that bloating is, but if you have bloating it means there's an inability of your body to transform and transport that that fluids now, why is that happening that might A bigger bigger issue might be a bigger reason. So if we go back to the pot plant could be because there's no drainage system for the water. So the water comes in but there's not enough drainage for it or there's just too much water being put in that person. Just watering that plant like, you know, when you're little kids just love to water but that's not my nephew just loves the water plants is like one and a half years old and he'll just keep watering them. He doesn't know when to stop he just keeps watering the plants and those plants are going to die if they have too much water because it's no not that they can. Get too much water going into that one space. So the other way to get rid of the water would be one to get rid of the to drain it out. But secondly to get the sun on it. So if you water something a lot and there's no son you live in a damp environment a place where it's very gloomy or like I'm in Sunny old Perth, so we don't have that problem very much but mostly dryness. So we have to we have to have more water a lot more than you know, the average area I guess because the things dry out really quickly and why do they dry out because the sunset so in Herb sets or food stamps. You can you can either stop eating the foods that are causing the damp that would be good thing to do. You could reduce those Foods down or you could actually like include herbes in your diet or use acupuncture to kind of facilitate either the drainage of water or to dry things up like in a dryness are drying up warming set. So there's hopes that kind of warm the spleen warm the Earth and help to dry it up. Now the second main symptom that you get with think problems in the the Earth element or spleen Qi deficiency is diarrhea loose stools. That means anything basically from a properly formed stall right through to complete liquid, right? So that would be loose. Now the worst the more liquidy the bowels are the less formed they are so bowel movements should be properly formed which means like a sausage kind of shape like so in the Bristol stool chart their course soft sausages. It's a bit gross. Okay, let's talk about poops. But that is basically what it was when it wanted to talk about it. So so anything from like when it starts being less and less formed towards being looser and looser and then the other thing that happens is it gets more and more frequent. So your body your Earth element or your spleen loses the ability to hold the Yang to hold the functionality of your body in it. And so it comes out comes out more easily more quickly and this can happen when people get problems with digestion where they eat something and I have to run to the toilet straight away or they just like In an extreme sense, like this could be in illnesses like Crohn's disease or inflammatory bowel disease or something where like if you bow like so it again this is another kind of conundrum of Chinese medicine CEO Marie, but that's your bowel. That's not your spleen, right? Yes. You're right. It's not your point about your spleen is an inflamed like it was a minute. Let's say, oh you've got new Flames flying you must have that's why I've got diarrhea like well that doesn't make sense at all, Marie. You said diarrhea and that's not your spleen at all. Even you split doesn't do any of that stuff. F in Western medicine, so it's a functional system relating to these ideas and these elements. So that's why the Earth element is such a good example an analogy for it to think of that. So I think that's why Wes as westerners. We get really confused because we're thinking well the spleen why is Chinese medicine just giving it different function? Why can't Chinese medicine to say what it really does and so that it just it regulates the blood cells and things like that in our body. Well, it's I don't know. I don't know the answer to that but it is functional. And it is these understanding of what when you understand all of Chinese medicine, which I don't I'm still working it out. But the more you eat the more macular you kind of look macro macro macro alarm accurate, but more macro you kind of look at it the wider the more, you know, the more the microbe its kind of make sense and so all of Chinese medicine school pretty much the whole first year, and if not the second year. I was completely Infused I just went along for the ride and I was like, well, I really want to learn this and some of it made sense enough for me to keep learning it but a lot of it didn't make sense it just kind of and then one day it's kind of like, oh the penny dropped and I was like, yeah that actually makes sense and even like this like the last three years. I've been learning a different system of Chinese medicine and like their stuff that I learned in first year Chinese medicine that like I learned said again in a in a different way. I was like, oh actually now that makes sense and the whole time. I've been just not understanding exactly how it works. So that's part part of As medicine is a commitment to a lifetime study of it. So don't think you can get fully understood in the in a YouTube video. That's not the purpose of this but I do want to make people aware of that is a bit more that everyday people can understand about it. And I think the more you understand about how it works the more you're likely to be able to use it for yourself and then you get the benefits of it and if you don't understand it or it's dismissed or and sometimes it may be dismissed because people think well, that sounds like we worry that sounds like mystical and you think well this plane doesn't Do that in real life like well, it does in a Chinese medicine sets in a holistic encompassing way when we look at it as the Earth function. So it's not the spleen organ that's doing it. It's the functional spleen system. Let's think of it like that or the functional Earth system which encompasses the stomach as well. And in Chinese medicine the Earth's system encompasses a lot of hormonal regulatory functions like the done by I into kind system in digestion. Metabolism, so what we actually create out of the food that we eat the the nutrients that we eat and how we metabolize those into products our body users the the catalysts and things like that that we need to make those changes. That is an Earth element function. So making that stuff which is hence why I like there's that can be met like it's it's not just this place. It's often. It's not just the Earth. It's often the wood element that's got involved in this as well. But then you have like functional changes that can happen with people where they just can't digest things properly but they have food allergies or intolerances and stuff like that. And that may that may they may have started with a spleen Qi deficiency where they just have like bloated and a bit of loose diarrhea like maybe loose stools every so often and then the longer that goes on the less straight their functional Earth element has and so what happens is when they eat certain foods they get very severe. To the point where they say. Well I'm allergic to that. I can't eat that. I can no longer have that and this is how Chinese medicine kind of use things like gluten intolerance or celiac disease and things like that. You can have a really extreme form of an intolerance where you have like an allergy to it and your body cannot take that product in without having a massive reaction to it and you or you could have a small reaction that you have to something. So let's talk about that gluten intolerance where people don't have celiac disease so that That means they don't have like an actual allergy to gluten, but they actually just if they eat gluten or the products if they eat something where there's gluten in it, they they feel uncomfortable they feel bloated. And so if they stay away from gluten, they were like, well my Earth elements fine, I don't have those symptoms. I don't have any problems. Does that mean that that person has to stay off that food forever. Does that mean that their body will never recover from that and does that mean that we should be even eating that if that's giving you those those those issues so - medicine one thing that makes us different to some other natural therapies is that we think there is a chance that we can strengthen your spleen or your Earth element to the point where you could tolerate those things that once you couldn't tolerate so not talking about an allergy. I'm talking about intolerance. It doesn't mean that it's good for you to have that so it doesn't mean it's good for you to have tons and tons of bread or lots of things with gluten in it like cakes or stuff like that, but you may be able to have things Is that have gluten that I'm not as processed? So if you are interested in kind of understanding that there's a video that I've done about dampness. What is that - and that talks about processed foods like the impact of eating a lot of processed and how that induces a dampening effect on our diet, but there's things like let's say barley contains gluten, but it may be a less more easily tolerable type of gluten to your body. Then that's a process bread or muffin. You've got like lots of process you got sugar. You've got processed grains. You've got other things kind of added in it's got lots of layers of processing and some of that product includes gluten. So it's not just always about the actual thing. The one thing the one thing of gluten it may be about how you've consumed it. But how does this work out in the treatment sense or a Chinese herbalist or an acupuncturist? If they give you a diagnosis plenty deficiency. First thing they're going to want to do is to look at alleviating the main. Is that you have as well as strengthening your spleen or your digestive energy and that will in turn alleviate those symptoms. So if you have diarrhea and I have a bad case of they are losing a lot of liquids through the through frequent bowel movements, then if we don't stopped that that will eventually just make your body more and more depleted. So that's it. That's an important one. Sometimes eliminating the foods that are aggravating you for a Out of time whilst you're doing the treatment some practitioners recommend to do that because it's no point in taxing your body even further, but then you won't know whether the treatments working until you go to the cafe and have a muffin or have a cake and see what happens. Now, there's lots of foods that are available very readily and society that we shouldn't eat a lot of that. We just shouldn't consume tons and tons of those foods that doesn't mean that just because there are available we can get them like processed grains and processed meats and And things like that that have got a lot of sugar salt additives and then there's also the highly production and aspect of things that doesn't help the spleen or the Earth that kind of makes it work harder. And so that it's easy to kind of consume a lot of nutrients and that could also make people get overweight because they easily could consume a lot of calories in one kind of sitting of are beating those votes. So there's a couple of things there to kind of chew on or food for thought if you pardon the pun. So I hope that this has been useful and helpful to you just to understand how your body like how Chinese medicine views that the way that we get spleen energy deficiency and that aspect of the Earth element becoming damp or becoming overwhelmed with water or bogged down with water and for it not to be able to sort of separate the pure and impure So that's its main function that it wants to do is he wants to separate the pure and impure when the spleen and Geez deficient it means the function of separating a pure and impure is not working properly. And so the pure and impure can't be separated. That means you can't absorb what you need to absorb. And so then you would have issues with bloating or getting diarrhea, especially if it gets to a point where you get what we call split Yang deficiency where it's even worse than that, then you'll get like undigested food in the store. So you'll eat something and then bits of all kind of a passing through body doesn't even get a chance to kind of digest it just pains like well, so I'm so tired. Tired. I'm so busy. And that's the other symptom you get is tiredness like a lethargy your body feels really heavy your limbs can often feel heavy and lethargic and you feel tired. You don't feel better from exercise. You feel worse from exercise kind of tired. If it gets even worse and your Earth gets very very weak. You might feel so tired that you just have to lie down a lot and that's an even worse kind of like a Yang deficiency of the earth and you just can't like get the energy to do things and you just want to lie down a lot. Was it them you get with spline energy deficiency is you get a craving for sugar often? So it's kind of like your body wants a little bit of energy to help it digest the fruit. So especially if you get a craving for sugar after you've eaten a meal and you're like, oh I just need something sweet. That's a sign that your spleen energy struggling to digest the food you put in it. So a couple of things you could do for yourself to help is one eat your Foods more slowly and then you'll probably eat less food won't be overwhelmed with the amount of food. So if you're in a hurry and you Busy and you just coughs coughing that food down too quickly then that can also cause you to get overwhelms overworks your spleen. That's no good for you. So if you eat more slowly often, you'll enjoy the food more. So with carbohydrates a really good thing to do. This is in the healing with Whole Foods book by Paul Pitchford. He says eat your foot to your carbohydrates 30 times in each in your mouth so that the food combines with your saliva and that helps the process of digestion eating and doing things at the same time, really Access your body as well. So what that means is if you're mentally engaged with something. So either one your emotional which is the worst level of that mental engagement or you just busy with your mind like you're watching TV you really engage in that thing or you're having a very deep and meaningful conversation with someone eating at the dinner table is a is the best way to eat rather than watching TV and eating and you can have a little bit of a conversation you can have enjoyment over food and that's a good thing to do and food is A very social thing, you know with our weather in our culture, but it's not a good idea to get emotional while eating like if you're eating and you're getting upset having an argument what you're doing you're trying to do a business deal while you're eating those are things that affect our spleen energy now if you just did that once or twice in your life, it's not a big deal. But the issue is that the habits that we create so if that that becomes a habit, that's what you do all the time when you're sitting at your computer and your kind of eating your food, that's not a good thing to do. So take 5-10 minutes away from that. Soft and then that hopefully that will lead to a little bit more time. But if you get a half an hour lunch break it don't be on your phone watching scrolling through your Facebook and your socials whilst you're eating like Spencer time. Just going to go to the park, you know, enjoy nature and sit there and eat your food or eat with it with a friend where you know, reintroduce some social aspects into eating rather than being something where you're kind of stuck on your phone or your iPad watching TV and things like that. So that would be my advice. Two years to create some really good habits around eating so that you are nourishing your spleen and your Earth Energy and the other food that flavor that's good for helping you if you explain energy or your Earth energy is getting bogged up by a lot of water half the flavor that helps similar to the sun is like pungent Foods. So warm and pungent. So Ginger would be something like dried Ginger or fresh ginger. You can even use a use that a lot in your cooking. You don't want to have so much pungent that Kind of sweating that's a different thing. So if you're trying to sweat out a cold and you're having that much pungent that you kind of sweating but there's different kinds of like dryer pungent. So why not? One of those things is such one pepper like peppers a good one. So you put that social and peppers like a Chinese herb, but and it's used in a lot of Chinese dishes of pepper, but you could just use any old pepper that you buy like your fresh Cracked Pepper and put that onto your Foods. That's a good thing to use. So pepper Ginger and if you go to a Herb or so be able to give you a specific formula that's right for you to kind of work out. What does your Earth element need to the Herbst to kind of dry up the Earth with acupuncture kind of looking at facilitating the spleens function removing any blockages that might be there from a an acupuncture perspective so that it helps the free movement and then it kind of frees up that movement. So that's very good. If you've got like the issue what I said with the Earth being fulfilled with water and they can't drain away because there's a blockage that there's a kind of a Marco aspect but that's how acupuncture is really good beneficial to kind of work for that. 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Spleen Qi Xu - Spleen energy deficiency is a very common TCM diagnosis,  In this video I will help explain what it is from both a classical  Chinese medicine perspective of a weakness of the earth element and the  TCM concepts. This video covers aspects of healthy and unhealthy Spleen qi / function  and spleen dampness. what happens when he Earth gets overwhelmed with  water? Dampness or water logged earth energy. Common symptoms of Spleen energy deficiency (Spleen Qi Xu) can be  bloating, diarrhea, gas, tiredness, low appetite and food intolerance. Also some people find feeling anxiety and worried are common mental  health symptoms that happen when the spleen /earth element is weak, it  can't regulate the normal functions of thought. I welcome your questions and comments. let me know what areas of Chinese  medicine you would like to be explained  in an upcoming video. Watch this video (and others like it) on YOUTUBE... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AksAgKKSp2o Marie's practice details:   MARIE HOPKINSON, Registered Chinese Herbalist and Acupuncturist in  Australia (AHPRA)  Consultations for treatment (individual) please call my clinic office to  book in: 08 93289233 (Perth Natural Medical Clinic) or  go to : http://www.bespokemedicine.net/ Email hello@bespokemedicine.net  Facebook:  fb.me/bespokemedicine --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/marie-hopkinson/message

What's up, Legends? Welcome back to another episode of the conscious locker room podcast. My name is Talia O'Connor, and I'm the host and creator of the show and I am stoked with the treat that I have for you this week had an amazing conversation with my man all the way out in Hawaii Trevor spring, but before I get in and share a little bit about Trevor and what we spoke about. I've got a public service announcement because I've actually opened up some spots for the first time in a couple of months actually some spots for some one-on-one coaching. So if you are looking to really step things up to another level in 2020 take your relationships and your life to a whole new level and really start living into that Vision you have for yourself, maybe get clarity around that Vision you have for yourself then reach out and let's schedule inner Clarity call. So this is just a Hold it helped you get clarity around where you want to go. What are the things that are actually stopping you from getting there and whether or not it would be a good fit for us to team up and really work together for a for the first half of 2020 and really get things going for you. So open up spots a couple of weeks ago for out of the 12 spots have been taken. So yeah, if you're feeling like you need a bit of guidance need a bit of support need some clarity to really dive deep. And create some significant shifts in your life. Then hit me up me the message me through Instagram or Facebook. If you if you're there or email me at tolly O'Connor the number one at gmail.com and we can tear up a time to have a Clarity call cool. So without further Ado I get to introduce you to the one and only Travis spring. So Trevor is the founder of wild and wise which is a men's archetypal embodiment experiential Workshop. And he's also the founder of wild and wise online which is a course and online course for health breathwork and Brotherhood. So Travis specializes in emotional and Primal embodiment and the underlying states of Health required to house mature masculinity and he spent the last 17 years 1 7 17 years working deeply as a holistic health and movement coach. He's also got an extensive background in men's work, but what he found was that the men's work he was doing was starting. NG to feel a bit heady and conceptual and based in story and full of important brotherly connections and support but it felt like a bit of a support group for keeping things the same and just surviving with the existing Paradigm. So Trevor began his experimentation process of really bridging his old world of embodiment emotional understanding and physical well-being with the men's work that he'd done and that's what gave birth eventually to the Wild and wise workshops. And online experience. So in this conversation where we dive into a lot of good stuff, we spoke about the importance of embodied practices that keep us connected to our physicality and and the limitations of trying to deal with things purely from the mind or purely from just talking about it and Trevor also gave a really great overview and insight into the different masculine archetypes and how we can use them as a powerful self-awareness and development tool. He shares his story. Around the birth of wild and wise and the medicine that this offers men who step into that space and we also got personal Trevor shared some some personal experiences about the challenges that presented themselves during the transition into fatherhood. We spoke about conscious relationship as an initiation for growth and evolution and also the importance of honoring the natural cycles and phases of life. This is an epic conversation. I'm really excited for you guys to listen to this and looking forward to hearing your feedback and Further Ado. Let me introduce you to you Trevor spring. Trevor thanks for taking the time to have a conversation with me man. Tell a lie. Yeah, brother. Thank you for inviting me on and you're welcome. I'm really thrilled that we made this happen and we're here right now. Yeah, likewise likewise. So yeah, how are you man? What's most present for you at the moment? What's most alive in you right now? Well, like I said before we hit record. I'm I'm just coming straight out of a to our pod call which is basically half of the wild and wise group for the Wild and wise online online course that I do so we just came off a two-hour call and it was just so connected and loving and fired up and truthful and it's men from all over all over the all over North America and places a lot colder than here and So yeah, I'm just feeling like really full with connection. Right right in this moment coming off that call and still to reconnect with you and the unknown of this and what this pot we are putting into right now, which I'm excited about, you know, and this micro level of this podcast, but also the macro level of our parallel work that we're doing in different places and with masculinity and healthy human hood and Embodied full spectrum and you know living so yeah, I mean that's that's like the main things that I'm feeling right now. I'm in I'm sitting in my home and Kailua looking out at the wind blowing through the trees and the amount the mountains called olomana in the distance. I'm on the windward side of Oahu in Hawaii and my wife and kids are out like a plaything so I'm healing really read at home. So happy address of you. Yeah, beautiful man. Amazing so good. And yeah you were I could feel you beaming when we first jumped on the zoom Cole coming fresh off that call with a water-wise guys. So yeah, I know you're creating some magic in that space and I'm excited to chat more about it as well with everything you're offering. I know you got that facilitator training happening next year as well so wild and Is coming in hot 2020 totally? Yeah, and I definitely want to talk more about that. But I want to person bite you to check it as well. Good. I don't usually do that. I'm usually on the delivering end of the of the questions. So checking in me right now feeling stoked to be here having this conversation with you. Like we really connected recently, but as soon as I just saw you on Instagram and what you were what you were sharing there was a real deep resonance with that. So I'm really excited to see what unfolds from this conversation. What else just Lots going on? It's been quite a busy couple of weeks. So just taking time to breathe cat and I had had a way for some some downtime some family time on the Cocos Islands in two days. So I thought I had three weeks to do a certain amount of work and it turned into one week. So just breathing through the chaos that that comes with that as ven the kind of the theme of my my last couple of weeks, but on the whole feeling good and feeling really excited to be here diving into it all. so on that note, I would yeah, we're going to we're going to definitely dive into all things wild and wise but for those listening that maybe haven't been following you and Aren't familiar with your work like I'd love to hear and few - are because obviously I heard heard we heard when we connected a couple of weeks ago, but share a little bit about your story and how Wild and wise came to be but like more so like the essence of it like the Nation of embodying those two what might seem parallels wild and what like and integrating integrating that sort of share a bit about your journey and how how that came to be because that's definitely something that I've felt prevalent in the work that I do and I see the importance of it of not leaning too far one way but integrating the both, but I'd love to hear your your journey because yours definitely comes from a lot of lived experience. So Yeah, well. where to start Well, I guess it's it's really relevant to say that when I was in sixth grade. I started wrestling it all changed and I'm just trying to tell this story from a different angle the right now so I'll start there. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, you know, I was like super scrawny real premature born born super super tiny almost didn't live kind of thing and wrestling was Gateway into my own personal in my body, you know into my interior like relating in this really Prime away and tap into like my my strength that I had inside me that I hadn't tapped into yet so that just you know, and then from there long wrestling career and a family of passing the brothers and father and my pedigree of my of my family is very very athletic very embodied. And it's a bit my family's very male. Like, you know, like I said, there's three boys and my father and my mother as well. Yeah, just very athletic. Our brothers are total studs like some coming out of that. I had, you know, I could tell some other old life story. But you know, I started personal training started Fitness training almost 20 years ago in New York City and my career has been like check exercise coach CrossFit coach Russian kettlebell instructor. More holistic. So in the last eight years nine years, I became more holistically based working on mindset and food and like emotions and my wife and I opened up a gym and that's I moved to Hawaii 13 years ago and train all kinds of like lots of athletes and my car everybody can imagine and then my wife and I opened up this Jim and I had kids and it started like shifting just the level of satisfaction. I was getting from the work I was doing how hard I wanted to work at it and I basically I needed men's work and I didn't know it yet. So my wife bought me king warrior magician lover. Yeah the book the book and that was eight years ago eight or nine years ago now and yeah, I mean, it's just been like from there. I started doing sitting in many circles locally. And so I'm running these two parallel paths in them going through burnout phases and running this gym and training clients trying to more depth in that work and then after a couple years of sitting in the men's Circle that I was Rick wanting wanting more physicality more engagement more embodiment in the circles. So those are happening right around the same time. And so I took a break from running those from going to those groups. I started running my own like men's Circle. Pike's nice then and that was cool. But it just like had a shelf life nice and then I basically went okay. I need to create this thing. You can just feel this thing need to be to be bird. So I created while the morass and it was I ran it twice here on the island. Once in a yoga studio once on the beach any idea was we've been sitting in these groups every week for two years with these guys and I don't feel like I really know them we're sitting here in these chairs and we know our Our stories really well, like we're I was away I like to do is like we're magician ourselves and each other into believing that we were doing the work. Oh nice like know and and there's just there's judge. There's my judgment in that which I call but it brought me to a place of more integrated expression of my own like self-inquiry. And then you know, basically I connected with Jason Mackenzie of sacred son's we appears before we had been just witnessing each other on Instagram doing sort of more embodied more nature-based more breath practices of men's work. He has a big mankind project background as well. Just like I do. Yeah, so we're both in the mankind Project M KP and then we had gotten out of that and I still do that I've gotten back into that here in Hawaii because it's a great Community event. And then so Jay invited me to come to California and he said what do you want to bring and I said wrestling archetypical recipe. It's a workshop that I've run twice and he's like oh and I had no idea what it was going to be at that point how it was just going to be like plug Dynamite. I mean, it was really powerful in that particular container hundred almost. No the first one Grizz about 75 or 80 men was weakened. The second one was a hundred and then the other two were 120 and the workshop is just that's just insane so I can talk about the workshop a bit more but I wanted to throw it back to you because I feel like it is talk for a long. Yeah. No, it was good. I love it and I can relate to the journey kind of like a different spin on it, but the importance of bringing that embodiment. And awareness appreciation respect for the physical body into whether it's men's work and circles where you doing a lot of talking or even sort of personal development and mindset stuff like we can we can talk and have this new level of awareness. But what's actually shifting in our body that was been my biggest like Focus over the last couple of years. And so and that was really what sparked when I was I was watching your stuff and just seeing This sacred son's events and the wrestling and all of that. I was like had the same response that Jason had I was like fuck. Yeah and even in I could feel even in the stuff I've been offering in with men like I do a lot of breath work a lot of movement based stuff don't have that same wrestling background, but can feel the potency that that would actually bring to the space and how almost necessary it is to have a well-rounded. Sounded I guess self-discovery practice or Men's Work practice or whatever label you want to call it that physicality is almost to me in my opinion like a non-negotiable. And so to see that like being I guess the spearhead of of what's wild and wise is offering. I think it's just such a necessary offering and contribution to this space and it's so cool to see and I'm sure like being involved with them kpi. I did the new Warrior training a few months ago. So familiar with it haven't been with organizational or got amongst the meet up some the meetings yet, but familiar with that style and seeing lots of different styles and flavors of this work popping up and it's just really cool to to see you like really found a locked onto to what that is and and starting to offer that in a in a big way. So yeah, I'd love Black expand a little bit on like I guess. Yes specifically what they're offering entails in terms of I guess start with Y delve a little bit deeper into why if you're open to that in terms of what you're seeing in the men that you're working with sitting with as well, but I know you've done you've trained a lot of people you've coached a lot of people so what what was necessary as to the why this offering came through and then speak into what it actually isn't and what it provides. Yeah, rather. Yeah, there's this. Well, it's about intimacy. Right those if we're developing intimacy with ourselves. And then we're bringing it to The Container our most deepest into me with intimacy with ourselves. And then we're opening the doors of that to the container and saying like this is me. This is the space where I bring this because I'm held safe and I can do that and I get an honest reflection as well as like this Brotherhood just warmth of acceptance. From my brothers. That's what I'm here for and it's got to be in a in an embodied sense to or else I can like I said just magician everybody into believing that I'm something that we have to see different aspects of ourselves. Come alive kind of like I don't know a guy until I see him under a certain amount of stress or pressure or see him. I know a person more when I see their body move. I know I know a guy more when I watch him talk to a woman I know got More when I watch him and when I feel him when I engage him within wrestling when we tie up and we push against each other it's like oh, okay. There you there you are. So there's always these ways of knowing each other and from that place we can like give each other really well rounded feedback really objective feedback like and Trust ourselves to do it and we're not just projecting on a man. Yes with no wood. No truth in it. So that's why the wrestling, you know, the wrestling was like something that we that we all I think across cultures, you know, don't do that. Don't bring that in this house. Don't roughhouse. You know, it's like there's no place for like good Rock Housing. Hmm. Unless you're in Jiu-Jitsu or some kind of martial arts and luckily my brother my younger brother who's not my little brother anymore. He's giant but he and I grew up wrestling. Gather just like this just like constantly and we really sharpen each other. And so I had that and I missed it when I was in the men's work. And so I actually I just see that there's tremendous benefit in like having this physical experience of ourselves and then bringing that to each other having a physical experience together and the level of intimacy that we have with ourselves through that challenge and then That we also have with each other and workshop the workshop at this point is kind of like it's almost like I didn't even know what I was doing when I created it and each time. I do it. I'm just like holy God. This is so pretty. It's like so beyond so it's I'm just real real humbled by it. Yeah. So today it's about deeply, you know, knowing ourselves and deeply knowing each other and and an embodied way. and I love what you talked about how under this stress so that you know more about watching or wrestling with somebody or seeing them in a situation where there's some level of stress like when the rubber meets the road what's actually there so we can all sit around and talk about these awesome ideas and we can read books and recite things and all of this stuff but when the rubber meets the road, what's there like I think it was Wayne Dyer who said like when you squeeze an orange only Orange juice can come out so it's like when there's pressure and when you're under stress and tension what comes out what's there because that is the truest indication of what's actually they're not what we're putting on front. We're not what we're putting on the spit shine version of ourselves. It's like when there's stress and tension, what's their do I panic do I stop breathing do I freak out or do I explode or and I feel like there aren't many Arenas to build that muscle. So really in life like you say a lot of the roughhousing a lot of unless you're doing it via sport was an outlet I had but it was always team sport never the intimacy of like wrestling or something like that. But if we don't have that how do we build that muscle of staying calm under pressure and under stress? If we don't expose ourselves to it in some way shape or form safely? Yeah. Yeah, and then the the other layer of it of one wise is that it's like there's a there's up space in the there's a men's Circle within wild and wise to process what what happened what went down what what we came into it with what where we were coming from before earlier in life and how it landed and so there's a processing space. So what if what MMA gyms or wrestling teams or you know Comfort ational spaces, do you do you have a safe space to then process what came up for you and half and then Leverage that to grow like that. That's what differentiates wild and wise from sport is that it brings that level of like real vulnerability. Like what if we did an MMA practice in we're all really going at it and then we sit and process and get real vulnerable to each other. That's like that's that's different. So that's kind of in a sense. That's what it is. Yeah. Nice one. I love it. It's getting rid of the either roll. You know we get so conditioned to separate things like our mind likes to separate things and put things in boxes to make them easy to understand. Am I this around my this is it this or is it this is it right or is it wrong and it's like, hang on a second? Why don't we have both what? Yeah. Yeah, beautiful awesome. Yeah, yeah, so I think that's something that I do. Because I'm kind of a jack-of-all-trades. I do lots of things. I'm a real real generalist in lots of ways and I've lots of things that I do pretty well. So this is like a natural way for me to express my own gifts. And that's that's been part of what this is to like. I had to create this Workshop because I felt like I just need to create something that words represents what it what and who I am and have been in who I am now to help my integration process. I'm getting my healing and my integration by create by this creation and by being with it and nurturing it and getting it getting it off the ground and then continuing. It's like I'm continuing to grow with it because it really is a lot of different aspects of me that I wanted. I didn't want to just let go like all I used to just be a dumb jock and now I'm just this like real spiritual guy. And and I rest I wrestled with that for years, you know, just how do I like still exercise and how do I go after these very physical things and when I'm trying to really be deep and like Sovereign and have this Sacred Space about myself and I've really felt like there was this this real tension between those two things for years for me. And this is this is the gem that came out of it after I mean, I would say like a solid A solid five years or so just kind of feeling told between those two and feeling tug between like the evolved man and the spiritual guy the guy he's deep and sensitive and he doesn't really need to to prove himself and then the man who's deeply physical and Primal and like like in touch with power and you know, because I shied away from those things for a while. There was one point Point in my training my personal training experience where I went like, okay. I'm going to stop lifting weights in the stop eating meat. I'm going to study even stop surfing because it brings out this like some some spots in town here can be like just crowded and I would just since this exists like aggression energy coming on and so I'd like kind of stopped doing all these things for a while. Yeah like her how do I integrate them back in so this was part of it? Yeah. Yeah, beautiful and can you speak to The archetypal nature of what you've created and you've referenced a few things like magician in each other into believing we're doing the work and so for any guys listing that maybe haven't heard of or aren't familiar with using archetypes as a way to look at our psyche and our structure. Yeah, just just I'd love to hear the archetypes according to Trevor 101. I just want to be clear I got on these I didn't create them. Yeah, I'm just riffing off of what I what I've taken in mostly from like Carl Jung and jungian analyst that that I'd like use his work as a framework to understand our psyche and these like real Timeless Primal energies that lived through us and live within us. So the idea of an archetype is that we all have these different aspects of our character of our personality and of our G systems that that have different qualities and their their innate in each of us in different ways and this this this wheel makes it real simple. It's like four-quadrant real wheel it split down the middle and horizontally and it's like King lover Warrior of magician. And so the idea of the lovers that the lover is like sensitive and This is like if we go around the wheel or clock. It's like the Rising Sun The Colors yellow. The direction is the East the element is the air or breath. That's the direction of the the inner child or my little boy. My little boys needs, you know, the lover energy. So it's about connection. It's about creation. It's about potential like think of the dawning Sun that yellow colors just like, oh it's going to happen are you know and just like this That level of sensitivity to details nuances like really diving into it. So the lover energy is about fluidity. It's about it's about like just like connection. It's about weeding everything together and you know, there's a in all the archetypes. There's a there's basically an inflated or deflated aspect of each of the archetypes. So, you know overinflated lover would be like, I just collapse myself into things that I love like substances. I love or my relationship or I just like fall into love and boundary-less and then a deflated lover is like I can't engage like my deep needs. I can't engage my my creative self might person second chakra. You know, I can't I can't engage my I can't engage my lover. I can engage like the people that I'm close with with with real intimacy. So that's like the lover aspect. So when we were on the wheel and to the South and it's the color red, it's a passionate fire. It's like this like yeah, it's passion. It's about action. It's like so the healthy Warriors about is about connected action. It's about like I'm going to think about an arrow. It's like a straight line. I'm going to move towards the thing that I desire and it's also about boundaries. So the lover is about kind of like No Boundaries is kind of just flew in. There's a Serial floating and the warrior is about the ground. It's the element of fire and it's about segmenting things and saying wait a minute. Here's what needs to happen right now everything else. To the side. This is my focus to not focus. And so there's a very there's a very healthy. There's it can also often seem like that's masculine and the lovers family but this isn't true like there where men but we have both aspects of we have all these aspects in us and when we express them in a dynamic way, we might be like real nian very feminine very fluid very like open and connected and then the warrior can come online and say okay. Yeah this needs to happen right now and and I need some space and I love you and I need some space to do this right now. Boom that's like grounded Warrior energy. And the the inflated Warrior is like, you know pillage burn rape, you know make money at all costs, you know, don't consider my adrenals or my my my inner needs or my my basic needs. And I just need to do and accomplish and Achieve and you know work with in this capitalist framework and you know, very single-minded than the deflated Warriors, you know, I can't get off the couch. I can't I can't say no etcetera. So yeah moving around the wheel then the the magician as I understand that is the color black. This is like the mystery, right? The magician is like The is the is the shaman is the Mystic is the one who walks between the seen and the Unseen worlds like and understands and has this level of integrated trust to to not need to control and to be able to surrender, but then also work with the variables to trust the process from one scene to scene. It's also about death In letting go that's about reflection. Like if you think about the the magician it's like the time I'm plotting my land and I'm using the because I try to not use the strong military strategist analogy because I think it's a bad one, too. I've heard that used a lot but I like to think of it as like a I'm strategically using my land in my in my that I'm stewarding to say like this plot of land needs rest and that's why I'm going Take that and I'm going to plant regenerative crops on this one. And this one is going to be producing. The season in the water needs to be used in this way and then breaks here. It's kind of like this permaculture mindset of like how to really work with variables how much how little how long so it's like our that's our inner magician. How do we orchestrate the variables of our own life reality? And that's the direction of the West will move up to the north and it's the color white. This is the elder. This is also like what's a clock it's also like, you know later in life. This is our Elder years and this is where our King is our wisdom our Sovereign being in this is also about like compassion and benevolence and blessings to others but in a practical way it's being able to like self validate its being able to say like, yeah, I trust myself for trust my magician a trust. Lover my lover say like and I talked about this a lot in the wild and wines course to my my lover's needs and my magicians action or my Warriors action. And I trust those and I'm going to I'm going to trust my my choices and then I'm going to learn from them and I'm going to adjust according. I'm also going to see with my blessing lens. I'm going to see the Beauty and the the towns of others and I'm going to empower them to to to really do there. A thing so I can let go of that aspect of my kingdom and you know oversee and a good way not controlling not dominating so I didn't speak to the let me strong. I didn't speak to the magician. That's that's like, you know the manipulator which is like the the overexpressed magician and the unknown the the under Express magician is like, you know, basically like not not skillfully working with variables is Basically Switched Off and by using blunt using a hammer. We're Square screwdrivers needed. Yeah, gotcha blend Solutions. So and then, you know going this King energy is just like it's us being in our in a grounded place and tapping into our wives maturity. And obviously the Tyrant King is is you know is unintentionally using people dominating controlling. And the under the under empowered King is like, you know is a victim to what other people are doing. Yeah, beautiful. Thank you for sharing those insights. It's it's such a powerful framework and obviously like you say you didn't come up with it. It's sort of speaking to almost like like you say Timeless energies that it exists and they're either online or not online or overexpress under expressed and I'm sure everybody listening could Different aspects and be like, whoa. My love is a bit over expressed her wall and I love how quickly you can use it to self-reflect in any moment. It's really powerful. So you mentioned the book king warrior love a magician. Would you are there any other resources that you've found that if somebody's like well, like I want to delve into this more obviously you're offering with the online course, but at that any other resources in terms of books or anything like that that you would recommend because I know that book is a bit of a dense read like it's there's a lot lot to wear and it's quite detailed. Have you come across any other resources that are beneficial totally? Well number one. The sacred Sons offers and embody masculine course in there's actually eight archetypes that they go through and it's epic. I taught. I let a pod ones last year and it's just that epic like 16 week Journey with other men and it's virtual and we really really go into each archetype at a time and really dive deep into it as a group so that but then I've also encouraged men. There's some specific sites that I like on YouTube. That are where where guys have gone in deep into each Arc. Excuse me deep into each archetype. Yeah. So there's a you can you can YouTube search like the lover archetype young and you'll have so much come up and it's about building like a constellation of your own understanding the way I see it sort of like a narrative but then bring it in bring it into usable terms is like the biggest challenge and I feel like that only really started to land. Me over the last few years. Yeah working with this Workshop. Yeah. Awesome. Yeah and that such and that's I think probably why I ask because even that book king or love magician. It's like, oh wow, but it's kind of like well, what do I do with that? And again that's years ago. It's really land until the last yeah. Yeah. Cool awesome, and I'd love to To shift gears a little bit and speak back to your sort of personal story because I normally open with this question, but but I didn't today but I'm glad I didn't because now I'd love to hear how you've utilized your understanding of archetypes to navigate something but what's a significant challenge that you've overcome in life and I might be ages ago. It might be recent. But yeah, what's a significant challenge you've overcome and what did you learn from it? And if you can yeah how has your understanding of either at the time or in retrospect healthily embodying these different archetypes? How did that help you navigate that challenge? mmm Well, I'll use one that I think a lot of men can relate to you know, because there's so many child. There's so many challenges. I could I could speak to like there's there's a lot but you know, the I gotta just give props to my wife because yeah, her sword is sharp and it's help help. It's helped my sword to be sharp, you know. And I've said I've said it a lot and I like saying it that like the reason that I am who I am is because because I've had our relationship as a training ground to to sharpen and to shed and then that woman is she's she's a powerful unique really wise being and I'm super grateful to to be in a space of continuing to learn together. So yeah, I'd say that challenge the way that that came was, you know, I mean, I had no idea what I was getting into ten years ago when we got together, we were just like having fun and I she had two kids and who moved into R into relationship so I became a stepped out overnight, you know, not overnight but really fast I have to step kids that are 19 and 13 and then, you know, we started a business together. So there was this like deep codependency. That was just unconsciously woven into our relationship. And then and then basically what happened is we had we had our first daughter. We had a home birth. She stopped working at the at the gym and my whole like plan was like, you know, like oh shoot things just chicken and I could go in there how things changed but basically she started really tapping into her deep self as a result of the pregnancy the birth experience and She stopped playing into the same codependency narratives that I was unconscious and I would even say unconscious patriarchal contracts. Then we had both signed and unknowingly relational contracts and how we show up for each other and for ourselves or not and getting out of that phase and was was two serpents confusing period of My life, you know like running a business and try and I have a new baby and my like the relationship Dynamics changed and I'm just like what is going on here? So, you know and then I we have our other daughter two and a half years later just about my daughters are Nova Jezebel my wife's Eliza and Kato. I mean, it's just the journey that we've had together to unravel are codependent patterns be with a woman whose Who's powerfully outspoken and Incredibly wise in her own right and to learn to learn to embody power in a different way and in written to relate in a different way it always has been the biggest challenge of my life. And there were many many many times where I thought it wasn't going to was going to work anymore. We've stayed with it and just like come back from many deaths. Like we've had a lot of deaths and then it's allowed us to really rebirth as a couple individually individual ultimately individual to continue to bring that to the relational container and You know, I said it in the sacred Sons podcast as well, like part of a big part of this my inspiration for like once I started getting the concept for the workshop for Wilding wise I started thinking like man this whole like leading with the lover aspect is really key. And then the warrior ones we've established that intimacy is is super valid because I would see myself get get into my warrior and get disconnected from my heart when I was In a heated situation with my wife and I would when I would feel really threatened I would disconnect from my lover my heart from like my compassion and life and and it'd be kind of like I'm fucking out for me. Okay, you know like all bets are off. Yeah energetically. Yeah, so learning to balance those and keep the integrated Lover online while and fully stepping into Warrior is something that I I do better now than I ever have and I think the owning this through the workshop is like helped and understanding the archetypes and self. But yeah, that's that's that's my my answer is my relationship and how ya doing this this partnership thing with my beloved amazing and I said, I think you were right when you said a lot of guys will probably be out of relate to this one. I think I think you couldn't have chosen a more relatable. To overcome. I don't think and there's so much in what you shared that I'd love to just dive into a little bit more. If you're open to it that what you touched on about that death and rebirth individually and then bringing that to a bringing that back to the relationship as being a pivotal remember the word you use but that was pivotal to the process of Lucky say it was touch and go there many times and that being willing to die. I metaphorically die and and step into the new I find is so fundamental to navigating Evolution individually, but especially in relationship because if we get attached and try to hold on to what was to what we thought freedom was or what we thought this was especially when kids pop up and these kinds of things that I find is the source of so much struggle this holding on to what was like, so yeah, I'd love to if you to speak into that aspect of it a little bit more. Was that something that you were consciously doing or did you just find it happening or how we how did you navigate that feeling of dying and leaving part of your behind and stepping into something new individually and within the relationship? Okay. Yeah, I mean I went through years where there was unconscious. Yeah, I was unconsciously doing it and I was like, you know sort of resentfully resentfully occupying the new way. Yeah. Yeah. Why isn't it like that? Yeah. Yeah. So yeah both I mean there I had to learn over time that that's what was happening. And you know learn to honor the fact that there's like debt a death happening in our relationship and then it doesn't mean the relationships over and even when it feels like there's just bones everywhere like we're done we're done. We're definitely dead. There's no pulse right now. I've got my finger on it and I cannot feel apart. Yeah, and so learning to to see potential in that and y'all okay. Okay. Well, this is actually a good thing if I can be fluid enough and even even like I'm remembering now, like that's why I love these narratives and telling these stories because it like bring think brings things through. Mmm. I remember the day I left the first men's convergence the sacred Sons convergence. I was staying in a hotel about to fly back to Hawaii and I had a dream about an octopus and it was Heavy just like very clear very Dream and its really stayed with me and from that was like, you know embody your fluidity embody this, you know, octopus are hermaphroditic and they're just like these incredibly incredibly Dynamic creatures. And so even then even, you know, a year and a year and a few months ago still like really not fluid with myself with my life to the degree that I was being so it's an it's an evolution. So I'm still learning. You know, I'll look back on this moment now and be like, yeah, I was still not where I am now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so that fluidity learning to be fluid with the death and rebirth cycle and to see the potential in the in the depth and the to like embrace the death as as a good thing with That was fully learned. Yes. I did not have that software company. Yeah. Yeah. I love that and it's so such a powerful shift in perspective to be like, wow, look at all this creative potential we have because there's nothing there like you say, what was there? How are used to relate how used to make love how he used to communicate? That's not working anymore and rather than being like oh shit. It's all falling apart. It's like yeah, maybe but there's so much potential in that and I feel like it can be scary because that's surrendering to the unknown which I guess is part of that healthy magician aspect like being okay with the unknown and surrendering to that is creates the space for it at least and then you can start to work through from a place of possibility rather than scarcity fear lack all of those kinds of things and I think it's something that Probably coincides with maybe a lack of loss or a lack of Rites of Passage in our society as well because I feel like these Evolutions in cycles of different phases of Life a natural and necessary yet. We almost have a societal narrative that life is linear and there isn't these sort of sort of cycles and without that place to go and let the boy die or let that part of a style stepping into fatherhood like because I know You do a lot of work with like young boys as well. And yeah, I'd love to hear your take on your experience with sort of that Rites of Passage or or navigating transition. Obviously, you've spoken to your own experience in terms of that relationship transition, but just in general how we can apply that as well and what you've learned from that work with the young boys. Yeah. Yeah, and that's one of the narratives that I've learned to uptake also is Like okay, I'm being an issue. Yeah, okay, and that like helps me relax, you know, that's like the magician the trust of the Magician of being like Oh, yeah, that's nice. So I was like a remembering like yeah this yeah. Okay. This is supposed to be happening cool cool. Cool. Cool. And I'm like, yeah, I mean I was not initiated in a traditional way and I've Seeking ways for years to intentional eyes that for myself because I knew I realized started to realize that I was getting initiated by life. So I wanted to find ways to intentionally do it. And so I've done a lot of different things for myself, but the over the last like two ish years. I started working with Boys to Men mentoring Hawaii and I brought I started the Allahu chapter 4 for this mentoring program. And so now we have eight schools and it's a volunteer Mentor base and these are all the men that I do out. So I think these are all the men that I sit in circle with that I do this work with and it's crazy. Like there's a team of me and the guys that I said circle with and we walk into these schools and we're just like we show up and we don't figure out Is about men we want to be we don't do Shadow work. We just freaking show up for an hour as the man as the men we are now, we don't give advice we listen deeply we model like mature, you know reflection on what goes down in the group and she goes down at their teenage boys, you know, it's not easy. Yeah light and it's not easy and it's like deep and painful to watch and confusing sometimes. And but the idea is that the I guess a surface look at initiation is like it's meant it's just what you said these cycles of death and rebirth or natural in the human blueprint and we culture that doesn't recognize that they should be happening or need to happen or honor them at all. Yeah, so, you know in intentional initiation and at least circling in a place of introspection is like Is the thing that needs to happen to get us closer to initiating ourselves through life and then if we take it a step deeper than we can intentionally create initiatory experiences that which is I think why people have gone so deep and plant medicines and last number of years or combo and that kind of thing. Yeah to try to self-initiate and one of the one of the sayings in the in the sacred Sons like Community is that Brotherhood is the medicine and and it's true but and and relationship is the medicine and no I mean I mean depends on how you're going to use it though. You can you can do all the initiatory experiences that you want. But unless you're willing to go there then the change doesn't happen. Yeah, and unless you're willing to integrate an act on it once you leave so it's like going there in the experience, but then it's like Yeah, cool story what what's different as a result of that experience and that integration phase as well I find can get especially when it's unintentional you go to a retreat or something unless you're very conscious about your integration back. Then it can get missed or it can get done not as well as a potentially could as well because like you say, it's the medicine but anything in too much anything in excess becomes a poison like Water does, you know, so too much relationship too many experiences. It's like you can get lost in in that I find as well. I don't know if you've witnessed that along your journey as well. But yeah, totally well, I know one of the things that I think is really important for integration is that like, you know, I think humans now are recognizing that there's been a lot of structures in our in our world that are set up in faulty ways. Governor government socially politically everything there's all these things right Healthcare relationship like the expectations of how these things are and what they should provide for us. And yeah, I mean, it's basically being able to take take all of that and go okay. I need to like step back and go within so that I can step back from trying to like work all those angles and try to it all better and pull back from so it's like being able to go go out and then go in and go out and then go in so that we're not too deep into one thing where we really narrow get get blinders on helps the like that breathing out and in it's like helps the integration Apple. So like being deep in relationship, you know, one of the things I had to learn this simple I had to learn because I was working from The Narrative that like The dad I needed to be with my family and I had a phase where I was speaking with my family. I like gave up relational self-abandonment. You know, it's just like home all the things that I used to love her dead to me here with you all and there was it was like good and that it was like not good and that's why is this feel so not good because I'm not doing things that I love I'm not getting out so I can get perspective on you know. This thing over here. Like I really loved that thing. I wanna go back to it. Yeah, so losing ourselves in like anything like so that was a big thing for me learning to like healthfully detach from my partnership healthfully detach from my family go away do the things that I need go to work, you know pursue my passions that I'm that are really important to me and that's like a big big aspect of being able to let go which Comes back to the deck piece. Yeah, and I feel like that's such an important one and depending on I guess your natural makeup you go one of two ways. Like I'm either all with the family or I'm all at work or whatever we've got sort of in our brain is like what we should be doing will kind of gravitate to that especially if we don't have any guidance into that phase of our life like Nothing, you know well perceived physiologically changes with us. It can be easy to look at men and be like not as much changes for men stepping into fatherhood as women stepping into motherhood because there's such a huge physical mental emotional hormonal transformation for that motherhood transition. I feel like the fatherhood transition can sometimes get left out a little bit and not given as much support or focus in terms of like rite of passage or God and so it's just a lot of Flying Blind and I've been very intentional around connecting with this many Fathers as I can like yourself just to because we're our babies doing in April. So I'm going to be going through this myself and I feel very fortunate to have yeah a lot of different experiences to draw on so I can sort of feel what yeah, what what what feels true for me in that transition. Yeah. When the men that are coming to you for work, either with you one-on-one coaching. I don't know if you're doing that at the moment but in your groups is the challenges of fatherhood a common theme. Yes loaded question. And and I guess yeah, what do you feel? Sorry like that. And what do you feel is at the root of a lot of it when because I'm sure you have more conversations than the average person does with You know what? No walls down. What do you feel is at the root of the struggles that that men go through stepping into to fatherhood. Let's just say a weak King energy. Hmm. So what I mean by that is is that fatherhood is so dynamic. It requires you will Discover it requires. It requires letting go of how you think she thinks should be and how you how you want things to be and this is my experience. Yeah, and it it requires an ability to be to be firm and like boundaries and direct and then also just let it go and move with what's with what the new moment is asking no in Wake way not in like a shutoff like a fine kind of way. So it requires a really strong Dynamic fluid kind of like the octopus King that can go. Okay. I'm gonna like okay. Yeah, okay, there's strength in that fluidity and being able to let go of the plan let go of the narrative let go of the frustration and and move into what's what the new moments calling for. Or so having fluidity and being able to accept and like stay open and compassionate and truthful like Oh My My Feet I've heard a lot of dads say like, oh, I feel I feel kind of hurt because the baby doesn't want me at all. The first year baby doesn't want it hand and you know for one I think for a man to acknowledge, that is cool. Vulnerable is truthful and then to know how to depersonalize it and understand that it's like a natural thing and then and then show up in a really loving open present way in that like except accepting that as the way yeah, baby doesn't want me for the first year. It's the first year. That's how it is how it is just like as an example. So yeah that dynamic dynamic fluid maturity is is part of the initiatory process of becoming a father and it's just lovely. It's like something you can't access in other ways, you know, and then the carrot the kids the kids get a little bit older and it changes again. Yeah, and then as soon as you get your ways, they're going to change again and they're going to say no a lot like I've To her didn't I get the word know I get told no more than I ever haven't and I'm just like I can't you know, you can't overpower you can't force like what do you do? So it's very it's challenging and words are so powerful and our bodies were so much bigger than them and we're so much more physically powerful than them. Like how do we care for ourselves so we can show clearly present. That's something that Came out of the last. Let's see that Alpha session of the last one wise men's conversions was like a bunch of men that were fathers said like, you know, this is showing me how I because I'm not getting this out this energy this kind of like being that fully in this fully confrontational physical conscious way unlike sort of taking this out on my family and it's really unfair than most. Oh God my heart, you know. Like really really profound so we have to have our own so we have to have our passion. We have to have our Brotherhood we have to be able to be honest with what we feel and have these Primal expressions of how we move energy so that so that we're not shutting down and locking up. Yeah. Yeah, hence the breathwork. Hence the physicality. Yeah. Yeah. I loved it the Energy's coal to go somewhere. So unless we're proactively doing it in a healthy way. Way, that's that's building something. Then it will come out sideways. So yeah, such a powerful Insight. Thanks, man. Beautiful. What's what's exciting me most right now. Like what's what's your I'm a huge believer in it. Anybody is listen to the podcast knows. I love to ask. This question is like, what's your what's your vision? I'm a huge believer in the power of speaking our vision into existence and obviously matching that with action, but Yeah, I'd love to hear give you the floor to what's exciting you right now. What's what do you living in to? What are you creating with your with your family and personally, but also professionally with wild and wise what's what's got you fired up sort of heading into 2020 and Beyond. Wow, so this is this will be my my moment to stand up and make some incantations about what I'm calling in. Yeah, please do well first I want to set the foundation of gratitude for what I am in right now Mike. I know it's hard for me to express how much how Justin I am of of my life like especially connecting with a Then that are on the mainland in Canada and in the west, you know, they're like in like feet of snow and ice and I'm just really feeling blessed learn why we moved into this new home for months ago and it's just really meeting all of our needs. It's just like being repotted in a bigger pot. So that's just amazing. My wife and I are at an incredibly loving deep Sovereign beautiful juncture where we've got like, An unprecedented level of separateness of good separateness, like even sleeping to sleeping separately part of the time so we can really be connected to ourselves. Yeah. We just got two cats this last week two kitchens, which are amazing. Yeah. So there's just this moment of what I'm living in is just like providing this like wow this deep breath of what's possible that so from from this place of like starting to sense. It and feel it and all the Gratitude that's here for it is I you know, I just put on the on the books that Walden wise facilitator training is happening. Yes. And for those that are just listening to the podcast and not watching on YouTube. I'm just fist-pumping in there right now. Yes, I was so good. Yeah, that's that's I'm really psyched about this next days with that. You know, I'm I'm this the Walden wise online course is the second time. I've run it in and it's just lovely and powerful and I really love doing that work. I want to I want to do the Wild and wise online multiple times a year. And so I want them to be able to sign on for six week course and really have these deep drop-ins and of physicality breathwork Brotherhood and really it's not about the programming and doing those things. But what comes up in response to that and what comes up personally for you? And then we process that in our container growth that happens from there. I think it's just awesome. So I'm excited about that about growing the online Vision, but then this facilitator training is it's like an opportunity to really take this thing that I didn't realize I was was going to be such a potent tool and I'm looking at At it and I'm like this is okay. I feel really connected to this thing. This is how it holds a lot of transformation potential. I really want to bring this to men and to the world and I've always I think I've always had a thing with putting my medicine out in a way that can be up taken by another person and saying like look here's what I think is important and here's how I like To do it. Here's how I like to deliver it. There's this self-validation. Here it is. Again. There's a self-validation aspect that goes along with that of me saying this is important and it's important enough to me and I believe in it enough that I'm going to put it in like a manual and I'm going to create a course around it and I think that you 20 men should show up and that we should do this together and that you can also hold this medicine bring it out to the world and bring it to men in your community. T bring this way of working with men of this deep intimacy physically emotionally verbally, you know that we can that we can that this holds a lot of value. So I'd love to run one or two wild and wise facilitator trainings in year with 20 to 25 men the first one scheduled for March on Maui and it will be capped at 25 men and It's like there's all this unknown, you know, it's again, it's like that verse there's like this new things birthing and there's all this thing. What is this thing going to be? What's it going to feel like when other men are running water wise it's going to feel like when other men are are really stepping into that in the good way. How do I Steward that? How how do I support them to Steward it in a good way because it's scary men coming in to Walden wise and know like like, you know, there's a lot of 40 men step into the Dome and it's like everybody take a breath. There's a lot of tip because there's a lot of tension in the unknown here. Everyone's like it's like, okay this is this is a safe space and but it's I mean, we're being very physical with each other and intense and so, how do I then how do I support these men to Stuart it and hold this medicine that I think is so important in the best way, so I'm just Jazzed about it my thing. Yeah, and of course, I'd love to have you come out and do the do this facilitate or training one time. Oh man. It's like yeah, I'm there whether or not depending on when March like babies coming April it would be a stretch. But yeah, I feel ya. I feel like feel the importance of I'm so excited that you're doing it because it just amplifies the ripple effect. I mean and you've seen it firsthand the ripple effect. This work can have even if it's a man just Peeing into a six-week online course the shifts that happen for him. And therefore his relationship is family his friends. It's like the ripple effect is is instant, but when you start to step into like facilitator trainings of this kind of thing, it's just the ripple effect on crack and right. Yeah. I'm just yeah, it's so so good to see you sharing that medicine and giving your people a chance to come and taste the medicine of Hawaii at the same time as well. Yeah. Yeah, I love it, man. And and what about if you're open to it sharing on your personal you just shared a lot of obviously gratitude for where life is at? But it you in that sort of King energy. Are you building or what's your vision with things in terms of your family or your personal relationships with your friendship circles or those kinds of things is it more just Kate things humming along the way they are is there is there anything that's yeah requiring any any Evolution on that front for you or is it more your focus is really that's home front is pretty solid and well-oiled at the moment and all my energy is going into my business and work Creations. No, I'm like fully Because we're as a family. We're really not we don't really go into like a real stagnant place ever. Nice. I've like joked around. It's like I'm just like tearing my skin off like Rod just like another mother layer that's part of your morning routine. Just how exactly tear my skin off every day. So, you know, I'm always working with in my personal life and my community and My the mentor teams and you know, acquiring new schools and building more more Mentor teams, and those guys a lot of them are friends. And so deepening in my own friendships and Brotherhood and inviting men that are in my local community to just like go deep in when we're not in circle to be real and to talk about things that are real for them. That was that my my I don't know. I guess I don't need to say it in that way, but sometimes I'm in conversations with other men, and I'm like Not going to be here for long, you know like this still like this. There's still a lot of the old way happening. And so yeah, I mean all everything all systems are go right now, you know as far as like fully showing up for my family takes all my resources fully showing up for Boys to Men takes all my resources fully showing up to birth this new thing of well, the warden wise online has been birth and now to now to birth the facilitator Experience and then how that all be worked is is like requiring all my resources. So it requires that I stay grounded in my practice and then I get a nature and that I do breath work everyday and I take care of my my physical tissues and I look at what I'm eating and I make space to connect with my brothers and I make space to like play my ukulele and singing Because it puts me in my heart and I've been really ritualizing. I'm making offerings in almost every morning up to Nature and to my life well ancestors and to like really dropping into that practice more deeply I feel like I'm I'm just connecting more of with more of like my My trust beyond my like real personalized local physical experience and like more connection with with this this whole super that we're in the Unseen the unsane support that is always there when we when we tap into it yet philia. Yeah, so beautiful. Yeah. I mean all systems are go home. Amazing online amazing beautiful man. I just want to acknowledge you perfer. The man you are the work you're doing continuing to show up have the impact and what really inspires me about you is the focus on Numero Uno first and the home base and making sure that comes for the Riders you're doing and exploring your purpose. It's a tough balance and I see you in the short time. We've known each other as somebody who it's really inspiring the way that you that you do balance or find harmony with that. So, yeah, I just want to acknowledge. For that moment. Thank you brother. I really I really appreciate I really appreciate that. It's good medicine. Mmm, beautiful and and where can listeners find you where you at website so shows yeah, how can people get in contact and follow along and follow the Wild and wise Evolution and then get amongst it if they feel cold. Yeah. Well Instagram, I'm at Wild underscore and underscore wise Or you can also look up Trevor spring. I'm on Facebook. I'm Trevor spring which I'm actually not on Facebook a ton these days. I just kind of overwhelming to me. Yeah. My website is Trevor spring.com cool, and I'm also on the sacred son's website through you know information about me and online course in the facilitator training is ends up now. So yeah, you don't know. Yeah, and so yeah, I guess that's the main way I was going to drop into something else. But yeah, yeah no eyes and I'll put all those links in the show notes as well. So people can ya can come in and follow along and like I say, I know you've got a wild and wise online dropping January the facilitator training in March. So there's plenty of plenty of opportunity to come and taste it the Wild and wise medicine and get amongst it. Yeah. Yeah, and actually I had it in the first And whereas Iran maybe four months ago. I had a man from Australia from Nikon Adelaide in and it was just just cool. There's like a guy in Brazil and a guy in Australia a guy in New York and guys on the west coast and guys in Hawaii and it's just amazing to drop in them that way and yeah, so then the next one was online is early January that's going to six weeks of like Movement breathwork Lifestyle Changes, you know, quitting quitting all the things like Like quitting or or looking at things like alcohol pornography sugar smoking, you know, and then supporting each other through looking at those things and engaging our are higher selfishness that to say. Yeah. Nice one. Yeah. I love it. Beautiful. Awesome man will all yeah. I'll put all those dates in the show notes and yeah much love man. Really appreciate you taking the time I know time is precious. And yeah, I appreciate you taking the time to sit down and have a conversation and share the love. Yeah, thanks da. Liang's great to drop in there that I can't wait till we get to do this in person. Yeah, I'm sure if it's yeah, who knows? Let's March let's let's put the Vibes out for my heart. And if not Marshall be after you gotta be. Yeah. Yeah, and I know it'll be it'll be a big ask if Kaitlyn can hear me now. She's like what's happening in March? Yeah. So yeah big love man, and I will chat to you soon Hey Brother. And that is a wrap. Thank you so much for listening. I hope you enjoyed that conversation with Trevor. Make sure you go and follow him on Instagram wild underscore and underscore wise get around him. He puts out good content. And yeah, I'm excited to see you see where things go with wild and wise in 2020 big thank you for everybody who has had headed over to the podcast app and left a review. So these things go, awry. Really long way in helping us get this message out get this podcast into the ears of more people. So if you haven't yet take 15 seconds to do it now head whatever app you're listening to this on head over pause head over give us a review now really really appreciate it. And if you know of any men that could benefit from listening to this conversation send this podcast to them either send them the link or just screenshot it share it in your stories on Instagram. Make sure you tag Trevor and myself and yeah. Any help get this message out there because it can really change the game for somebody so that's a wrap guys and just a reminder any guys out there. If you're not already you can head over and join the conscious locker room Facebook group where we just sort of continue the discussions that come up in amongst the podcast. So that's just at facebook.com forward slash the contras locker room, or you can find the link to that through my bio on Instagram. And if you're feeling the pull to get into some of this embodiment work and really have some clothes accountability close support in that process then hit me up. Let's jump on the phone have a Clarity call and see if some one on one coaching coming into 2020 is going to be beneficial for you. And until next time be well guys, and this is the O'Connor.

This was an insightful and inspiring conversation with Trevor Spring, the founder of Wild and Wise, a Men’s archetypal embodiment experiential workshop and Wild & Wise Online, an online course of Health, Breathwork and Brotherhood. Specializing in emotional, primal embodiment and the underlying states of health required to house mature masculinity, Trevor has spent the last 17 years working deeply as a holistic health and movement coach. Men’s work was beginning to feel heady, conceptual and based in story...full of important brotherly connections but like a support group for keeping things the same and just surviving within the existing paradigm. So Trevor began his process of experimentation. We discussed the importance of embodied practices that keep us connected to our physicality and the limitations of trying to deal with things from purely the mind/talking about it. Trevor gave a great overview and insight into the different masculine archetypes and how we can use them as a powerful self awareness and development tool. He spoke about the birth of Wild and Wise and the medicine that this offers the men who step into that space. We also touched on the challenges that present themselves during the transition to fatherhood, conscious relationship as an initiation for growth and evolution, and the importance of honouring that natural cycles and phases of life. This episode was deeply insightful and I can guarantee there will be more that one significant take aways for you. Enjoy! Be sure to share this episode with a friend, take a screenshot and share it on instagram and tag Trevow and myself!

Whether you have a skin interest asked in query as Skin trauma or skin disease I warmly welcome you to heal. Thy skin a podcast brought to you by term Costco. I'm Marni Derma clinician to mosque first annual podcast host skin is deeper than Beauty and our mission is to build the largest platform of specialized practitioners focused on skin health and skin empowerment. Join me each week where we go.Under the Skin and Beyond to hear stories and education from leading practitioners on a journey of skin health Almost everyone at some point in their life will experience acne from the Teenage break out to persistent inflamed cystic acne and adulthood. I'm sure you've had at least one experience of trying to conceal dry out or reduce a dreaded break out in your skin and it's usually seems to occur right before an event or something important. I'm no stranger to acting myself and I had the usual hormonal breakouts as a teen, but they were persistent. They were saw they were It I was so self-conscious and I even recall not going to school some days because I was just you know afraid what people would think of my spotty skin. It did come down in my later teens, but it reappeared with a Vengeance in my early 20s. And ironically this was actually when I was studying at Uni and I was working in a Skin Clinic where I had access to every topical skincare cream serum treatment and peel that was possible, but it continued to get worse it didn't get better. Better and it was only when I took a hard look at my lifestyle and I stopped over doing it that my skin improved and now I've just turned 30 and I don't recall the last time I felt worried about leaving the house because of a breakout but it certainly has been a journey. Welcome to episode number 9 of the hill I skin podcast. I'm mining your host. And today I'm speaking with Carly with Crossfit is a demo clinician at caps Plastic Surgery Clinic in Canberra Carly graduated from Bachelor of Health Science specializing in dermal therapies degree that finish or she finished in 2010 and for the last, you know many years since then she's worked in Canberra is leading aesthetic Plastic Surgery Clinic caps Clinic with a renowned plastic and reconstructive surgeon. Dr. Alastair Taylor Carly is one of the senior dermal clinicians and she's also the unit manager within the practice and her experience and dedication. Education has led her towards mentoring training and educating new staff within the practice as well as being a past Clinic supervisor at Victoria University. She's really passionate about all facets of the dermal sector, but when it comes to actually treating her clients, she specializes in photo aging and treating acne. So today Carly is going to share with us how viewing more holistically Or viewing acne more holistically will lead to better outcomes. But she's also going to give us some practical tips on how you can treat or seek out treatment for your own acne or acne scarring and I started by asking Carly what she thought the biggest misconception about acne was. I think that there really is a big misconception around the fact that there is a quick fix or a magic pill or magic solution for for acne. Unfortunately, it's multifactorial meaning that there are many contributing factors that need to be addressed or investigated in order to manage the condition. And I think that's so true, especially with you know, the Instagram world and everyone's wanting a quick fix an overnight fix and we want things done now and unfortunately, we just don't have control over our skin to that point or to that extent as much as we would all love that. I know I wish and tell us about your background just over this is to have a bit of a perspective of your background what you do what you practice in sure. Sure, so I completed the Bachelor of Health Science Gemma therapies 10 years ago actually, so in 2009 and for the past 12 years, I've worked for the Caps Clinic which is in Canberra for a plastic and reconstructive surgeon named. Dr. Alastair Taylor, and I've also done a little bit of clinical supervision with Victoria University. So working in their teaching clinic and I've been on the committee for the Australian Society of dermal clinicians. It's 2013. So as Vice chair chair and now in the marketing and media portfolio, which I'm really enjoying so it's safe to say you've seen a lot of skin and probably a lot of acne in your time as well. Yes. Yeah, so we know acne is a concern for many Australians young and you know going into their 30s and 40s. Are you able to provide a bit of an idea of the actual impact? Yes, certainly. So look acne affects so many Australians. I think probably majority of people would suffer from acne at some point in their life where they're going through adolescence or even later in life. I'm seeing it a lot a lot of adults adult acne and it not only affects people physically, but Also psychologically or mentally as well, which is huge in which is why I guess I do my job or why I love my job is helping people to gain that confidence. Mmm. Yeah absolutely. So is acne is acne is acne. Like other different types is one is kind of teenage acne the same as adult acne. Is there a classification? There is so the way I look at it is teenage acne and adult acne is technically all the same in terms of how it is comes about but the causes are often and the presentations are often different. So we have non-inflammatory inflammatory acne or lesions. So you're not inflammatory is you things like your blackheads and whiteheads? And your inflammatories more papules pustules and nodules so in non-technical technical terms your papules are your like you're blind pimples your pastures are more the little Posse ones and the nodules of the little lumps that you get deep under the skin. You can have a one or or all of them and mixture of both and it will commonly affect, you know, the face neck chest and back but there are different as you think different. Classification so as to how they come about so acne cosmetic are is caused by what you apply or use on the skin. So a lot of that I personally find is makeup. We will talk to a client about how to make changes with their regime and a lot of it comes down to just making changes to The makeup that they're that they're wearing and there are some main culprits that I have personally found it generally comes down to the ingredients but there's also things like acne mechanica, so it's from friction and heat so we look at during a consultation we look at what people are doing. Not only what they're applying. But what are they? What are they doing? And what are those factors and I mentioned briefly also just about where things will Went as well so that often will give you a bit of indication as to what might be what might be causing the acne as well. Hmm. Okay, so it's more than just hormones could be caused by things. We're doing in Addy day-to-day life. And even when you're talking about makeup considering things like sunscreen, you have an impact or you know wearing your yoga pants or I got top around all day. For example, yes. Yes. Yeah, I often find kids that wear helmets or headbands caps and they're not sort of that again that friction and the sweat and also blow dryers and things like that as well. Just that that heat from constantly blow-drying the hair is quite interesting as well MMP. I wouldn't consider that you know blow drying their hair every morning. They wouldn't consider that that would somehow contribute to acne. Mm9 not necessarily. And tell us a little bit more about I guess the the actual mechanism of acne. So you've kind of talked about some of the causes but what's happening within the skin? Yes certainly. So it is multifactorial as I talked about before and there are sort of four main factors that people talk about or know about into that can be impacting or causing in terms of the mechanism. So excess oil production. So most people will notice that there are a little bit more oily. There's inflammation within the the skin as well. There's often overproduction of cells, which will actually cause a blockage of the follicle. So you little plugs or again back but kids like people Presence of bacteria. She's a cutie bacterium Hackney's. Mmm. Okay, so it can be not just one thing but perhaps all these four things working together. Yeah will produce different types of acne whether it be all the different presentations whether it be blackheads or actual pustules and more inflammatory type acne. Yes. Yeah. So what are some of the common treatments for these? Types of presentations for acne so in my experience it's the exfoliation type treatments. So things like microdermabrasion and peeling procedures but led is quite popular and effective as well. So that's sort of I guess the the most common treatments that I find for treating acne, but then there's also the scarring side of things. So we hope that we don't get to that point but a lot of patience May not have intervened early enough. So there is some scarring. So that's where the lasers and other light modalities come into play needling is quite popular and effective as well particularly for superficial scarring helps with the overall appearance of the texture of the skin. They can also be treatments from cosmetic injectors. So the use of fillers to Improve the appearance of pitting but also plastic surgeon. So I would get dr. Taylor in some cases to exercise some deep scarring efforts appropriate. So sometimes no matter what we do from a skin level and treatment and Skin Care perspective the deeper the scar the harder it is to treat so accession can work quite well in some cases and you mentioned about scarring And you said if we have an intervened early enough then scarring can become an issue. So what would be intervening and why I would ask our occur. Mmm. I find that the more severe the acne is so the more inflammation that there is the more severe it's going to be so some people have as I mentioned before acting not only on their face but on their chest and back. And their bodies is so working so hard and so overloaded that yes scarring will will occur. So Journey think a chewable early enough when it is generally some of your non inflammatory type type lesions, then you can manage it really quite well often people will sort of think I'll just let it go and and see what happens. Can you never know I guess which way it's going to going to go that it can go downhill very quickly and scarring as I said psychologic people are left with those scars for unfortunately the rest of their their life. So we want to try and calm the inflammation and repair the barrier function as as quickly as possible and try and investigate what the client is currently doing or not doing or using and make suggestions for changes. So what would the ideal kind of acne treatment plan look like or at least in your practice? In our practice look it really is one. That is that takes a holistic approach. So that's looking at skin care what's used or not used diet lifestyle whether hormones may play A Part genetics often do and often to be able to take a holistic approach. It generally means working collaboratively with a team of So there might be endocrinologist new nutritionists dermatologists. It's even Beauty therapists. We can we can call on them to help out as well. So that's how we get. The best best results is doing the groundwork first and investigating and looking into all of the causes and contributing factors and then working out a plan that not only involves. Elves me or us but also looking outside of my scope and seeing who else can can help in that situation. Hmm and I can imagine especially if you know you mentioned before about acne having a psychosocial effect on people some people might feel anxious or depressed or or even not wanting to leave the house if they're having acne breakouts. So even not just from a physical standpoint it's also To have a look and see if it's necessary to refer them to someone to assist with their psychological. I guess Health as well. Definitely. That's that's really important. Mmm. And you mentioned within that about you look at lifestyle in the consultation process. So do you think lifestyle plays a role in the development of acne or even in the treatment of acne? Yes. I truly believe that. That it plays a massive massive part. So I know that when we're stressed we get breakouts, but I also know that the food and or medications that we put into our body will affect our skin and actually is some evidence that are started to come out to support this which is great. So what kinds of foods and things would you say may have an impact or even Of stress. How did what does that look like? Hmm. So things like there's been a correlation between milk and for some people it's end dairy in general that has an effect on causing breakouts and also high glycemic foods has also been been shown to have an impact. So if people have low glycemic diets and Some people don't need to cut out or significantly cut down on Dairy and or milk as well. So I find it's easier to talk to patients about what to eat and drink rather than what not to so obviously plenty of water eating more fresh vegetables and you need a bit of protein and good fats in there as well by doing that you're crowding out the things like sugary drinks and foods. start your high high carbohydrate type foods as well that which will convert to to Sugar within the body which then spikes your insulin insulin is a hormone which then obviously goes on to effect and cause acne as well really interesting how you know things like stress will spike is, you know cortisol levels which then in turn affects hormones and even with food, you know, we don't often think about how these Things like a low-grade stress which all of us have because we all live busy lives and we might not think we're stress, but we can have this hello gray cut type of chronic stress that we might feel okay about it, but our body is producing these hormones as as a result of that and clients or patients might not even realize that this and alone could be enough to perhaps cause acne or some other condition in the skin. Definitely a pleasure really big partner should say people just don't realize so if someone was actually having treatments and say that it was a holistic approach in those and dermal condition or dermatologist or dental therapist. How long would they kind of expect to see results when treating acne man's look I'd love to say that I could just click my fingers and their skin would be that it would be gone and their skin would be amazing, but unfortunately, The results aren't immediate. I think that the more people do. In terms of looking at that holistic approach the faster it will happen but the success definitely comes with time commitment and definitely compliance often. You can start to see some kind of results as early as sort of two weeks. And that's a lot of that comes from just, you know, taking out certain ingredients or products from from the regime trying to really calm At inflammation, but in my experience it can take anywhere from three months and even for some people even up to two years, but as I sort of mentioned before that early diagnosis and treatment is really important to try and seize that that progression of the disease as well. So it really is a journey mmm. We do regular check-ins and education with the patient we find.That really helps with with managing it so so that the client doesn't feel like they're alone that you're sort of constantly holding their hand through the process and reassuring them that it is going to get better. Yeah, and I think when you having treatment for whatever we kind of view the results by what we can actually physically see with our eyes and I can imagine with acne sometimes Yes, it may be improving maybe yes, there's less inflammation. But unless you're looking at the skin with a trained eye you might not necessarily see those changes that may seem subtle but actually signifying that there have been improvements in the skin and I can imagine that it would be quite disheartening for some people live there spent time and money on these treatments and seen professionals and doing these investigation and you know, it takes two to three. Two months to even two years to see real results to clearer skin. Mmm. Yeah definitely it is it is tough and it is heartbreaking. Sometimes I think that photos in this particular situation. I really important I think photos in general are important but I think in this particular scenario just to be able to refer back because people do forget what they look like or what they started with so that's a really good. Good tool but also asking them other questions, I tend to find that they'll mention things like they're either ask do I wearing less makeup or something as simple as as that or how long it might take them to put their makeup on in the morning or little things like that might give them a different perspective on how how much it has actually improved because most people will find that they're wearing less less makeup or it's quicker to apply or which generally means that it's improving. Yeah, that's really that's a really good point. So in regards to the different types of not different types of acne, but I guess they could different grades or severity of acne. When would it be appropriate to actually have further investigations when I'm doing a consultation and there appears to be other involvement. I would generally refer so what I mean by that. That is if I felt that there was some kind of hormonal involvement that I might refer to an endocrinologist. So if I feel that yet, so the hormones are potentially causing it or have quite a big impact. So we often see clients with polycystic ovarian syndrome. They can often have excessive hair growth as well as acne, but they're generally Looked after by an endocrinologist as well. I would refer their clients to say a dermatologist. If as I mentioned before the acne is really severe with large painful nodules and the presence or high likelihood of developing scarring. I think it's important to to refer and I may refer to a nutritionist as well. If the client seems to have things like allergies or food intolerances. Tummy tummy troubles and your mention you also I guess about out stress and things like that that there is sort of this link with the gut. So I think that I do have some knowledge and some interest in nutrition but it is good to refer out as well. Mmm. Yeah, absolutely. And obviously if someone is just experiencing some some congestion or some blackheads, it might not be appropriate or necessarily to actually have further investigations. I guess we talk more talking when it's really impacting that His life or it is quite severe or if it's become chronic and it's not actually resolving after treatments, right? Yes. Yes. Definitely. You can based on those you can sort of ya know who needs referring and who doesn't. Yeah, and so what are the common things that you tend to see that may that people do that may be aggravating they condition whether they've been trying lots of treatments before they came to Or whether they've just started, you know started to develop acne What are the main types of things that people think they're doing the right thing and it's simply not helping them at all. Hmm. Probably then the number one thing is over cleaning the skin and that goes onto then dry the skin which then goes on to produce more oil is sort of this vicious cycle. I think that they think that they can scrub away. Oil or that somehow their skin is dirty, which just unfortunately, it's not the case. Yeah, so I'd have to say that that's probably the main. Mmm, and I can imagine that happening and I remember even having acne as a teenager. I would wash frequently and not with gentle cleansers that might come inflammation. These would be like things that would be deep cleansing type things and maybe even have granules in them and I do it multiple times a day thinking if my skin was just cleaner than maybe it would be able to really try this break it out and heal it more quickly. Yes. Yes you and everybody else thinks like that. And I think a lot of it comes from the a lot of the product companies, I guess sort of, you know on TV or that type of thing that are sending that message message out. So I think it's really important to see someone who can give you the right information and assess you as an individual rather than just asking you you know, what's your skin? Like I have oily skin. Skin will here's and you know and in all your free cleanser and moisturizer or something like that. It's really important to get get the right advice. Mmm. So if someone was experiencing acne, and maybe they weren't under the care of someone. Where would they go? How would they know who would be the best person to treat them? How would they know what treatments were actually going to work? I mean, it's all good. Well to say go to your local clinic or go to your local pharmacy or go, you know by this thing that you saw on TV, but that's not necessarily the best advice because there's so much information out there. So what can someone do yeah, look it's really confusing to be honest. I'm probably a little bit biased and I would say go and see a dermal. clinician, I you know, that's what I know because that's what I've studied where skin experts and we have the time and the interest to spend investigating into all things relating to the skin and why something may be presenting or occurring where like detectives I think looking for links between systems within the body or outside factors that may be contributing to why something is a occurring budding having said that look the same as I said, there's so much information out there. I think just trying to find someone that you that you trust a lot of democratization and even skin specialist will have relationships with their General Practitioners as well. So if you were to go to your general practitioner, they may refer you to a dermal clinician or a skin. Specialist at yeah that it is a bit of a tricky one. I must say. Hmm. So well, I'm sure we can we can provide some more information in the show notes of some some resources. For example, some links to perhaps find someone in your local area, but you were talking about or you My previous question was about what people do to aggravate the condition and we don't want to be dr. Google here and be telling people, you know giving advice without seeing their skin, but what would perhaps one or two things be that someone could do if they're experiencing acne that may see an improvement in their skin or or just help with their conditional I start patients off at looking at what's actually doing an It of what's in their current skin care because it's not all about saying or you have to use what what we use in the clinic often. When you go to a clinic they will have products there, which is great because we know what's in them and back to front and inside out we know what's in them and what works and what doesn't work got endless, you know experience with them. But the main thing I start with clients is to give them information that that even if they don't choose to come on board with us as a client or a patient that giving them some information to take home. So things like avoiding sulfates. That's probably a really a really big one sulfates will act bit like detergent on the skin and strip and dry there's things like or so properly and glycol. Yep. Petroleum type based ingredients as well. So I find it just comes back to the ingredients and auditing what's actually in them. And for those that that don't know is consumers then generally your general clinician or your skin specialist will be able to give you a list. But also just if you're interested typing into into Google each ingredient and trying to figure out what is the actual purpose of that. Ingredient is it an emollient a humectant? Is it a surfactant? What it what is the purpose of it in that product? Because a lot of them that you're fine, especially over counter products what they put on the label is not always doesn't always match up to what's in the ingredients so that can be again a little bit confusing for for the average person. So just becoming a bit of a self. give and and not self-diagnosing necessarily but becoming a bit more of an informed consumer and I think there's lots of information online about that and and people really are being climbing up a bit about what is actually in their products and what the ingredients do and I think that's a really good movement that is occurring but also really good advice that yes, it's important that you go see someone that is specialized and that they know what they're doing and their experience and their qualified but it's also really important that you do your due diligence yourself. Mmm. And you know you perhaps you have a look at your own lifestyle and even keeping a diary of when you might have flare-ups in your acne and you can link that may be back to certain foods or certain situations and I think that's a really great way of Trading holistically, but also when you do go see a specialist you have a bit of an idea about what you're dealing with is well, yes, because the more information that you can give then the easier it is and the more information you're giving them. They can construct put more pieces of the puzzle together, I guess to actually know where you've come from. What's working. What's not what potentially is? Yeah causing it so they can put all the pieces of the puzzle together to sort of go. Okay. Well, this is what we need to concentrate on. And this is how we're going to move forward. So Carly York caps clinic in Canberra. Yes. So for anyone in local to Canberra passing through that may have acne then how would they find out a little bit more about caps? So we do have Instagram and Facebook. So if you just type in caps Clinic, we also do have a website as well as www.captionlink.com dot are you and I'll be there and do you have any ending words or parting words with our listeners? That's a good question stick with it. I guess it may seem like a really long journey journey, but if you put all the pieces of the puzzle together and not do anything in in unison think of it as a whole lifestyle type modification or change then Yeah, this game will improve in Leaps and Bounds for yeah. Yeah great advice. Well, thank you so much for being a guest on today's show Carly. It was wonderful to have you. Thank you for having me. Alright. Bye for now. Bye. What a great interview curly shared with us their different types and causes of acne and gave some really practical advice on how to manage and treat acne. But the three deeper than skin insights that really stood out to me were number one stress can actually lead to acne breakouts. I don't know about you. But any excuse for some relaxation and a bath or yoga class is good enough for me. So start running that tub number two, the treatment of acne should take on a holistic approach. So if your acne is Progressive or it's affecting your self-confidence, or there may be some underlying conditions it may it will it is really important that you seek the experience of other Specialties and you may even need further investigation as well. To make sure that there's not some underlying conditions that is causing or affecting your breakouts such as thyroid or hormone issues. Number three over cleansing your skin is not the solution to treating your acne. In fact over cleansing can lead to what we call an impaired barrier. So the Skins vital oils are removed stripped and as a result excess oil is produced and inflammation is also increased and it's this vicious vicious cycle. So thank you so much for joining Carly and I on the hill by skin podcast today if you found it interesting or useful. I'd love for you to subscribe. So you get notified on future episodes until next time. Are you feeling disempowered or confused about your skin? You can now join the Derm House Co Insider Community to learn about your skin connect with others in the community and find Practitioners to feel empowered on your skin Health Journey so you can face the world faster whether you are experiencing a long-standing skin condition recent disease injury trauma or niggling skin question. There is a place for you at Durham House Co and there's best part is that as a dome house coincide are your membership is absolutely free. So jump online at Derm Health dot cocoa and join today. I look forward to seeing you on the inside.

 Almost everyone at some point in their life will experience acne. From the teenage breakouts, to persistent inflamed cystic acne in adulthood. I’m sure you’ve had at least one experience of trying to conceal, dry out or reduce a dreaded breakout on your skin….. And usually it seems to occur right before an event. I am no stranger to acne myself. I had the usual hormonal breakouts as a teen, but they were persistent, sore and red… I even recall not going to school some days because I was so self conscious of my skin… then it calmed down in my later teens and reappeared with a vengeance in my early 20’s. Ironically this was when I was studying at uni and working in a skin clinic where I had access to every topical skin care cream, serum, treatment and peel possible… but it got worse, it was only when I took a hard look at my lifestyle and stopped over doing it that my skin improved… and now I’ve just turned 30 and I don’t recall the last time I felt worried about leaving the house because of my breakouts…. But it’s been a journey. Welcome to episode number 9 of the Heal Thy Skin Podcast, I’m Marni, your host and today I am speaking with Carly Whytcross, Dermal Clinicianat CAPS plastic surgery clinic in Canberra. Carly graduated from the Bachelor of Health Science Dermal Therapies degree in 2010. For the past 12 years she has worked in Canberra’s leading Aesthetic Plastic Surgery Clinic (CAPS Clinic) for renowned Plastic and Reconstructive Surgeon, Dr Alastair Taylor. Carly is the Dermal Clinician and unit manager within the practice and her experience and dedication has lead her towards mentoring, training and educating new staff within the practice as well as a past clinic supervisor at Victoria University. She is passionate about all facets of the dermal sector including advocating on behalf of and creating awareness of the special skill set of Dermal Clinician`s. Clinically, her eye for detail has created a special interest in treating acne and photodamage. Carly shares how viewing acne more holistically leads to better outcomes and some practical tips on how you can treat or seek out treatment for your own acne or acne scarring. Learn more about acne: http://www.capsclinic.com.au/acne-lifestyle-factors/ http://www.capsclinic.com.au/acne-what-is-it-and-how-do-we-treat-it/ Learn more about CAP's Clinic: http://www.capsclinic.com.au/  Be sure to subscribe to the podcast!

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And first question is if you can share with us a little bit about your background in your career so far and how you got involved in pig production. Sure. So my road as this wine industry is under additional one. I didn't grow up with a lot of pigs, but I think there's more and more of us getting into the industry these days that don't have the pig background right? I grew up in West Virginia. It's a state known for coal mining and not really a A culture, but my parents had average-sized cow-calf farm. So I did grow up with livestock animals around me and really develop that passion for safeguarding the food through livestock production had a strong interest in the science behind Animal Health, too. So after attaining my Bachelors of Science degree from West Virginia University, I went on to attend North Carolina State University School of veterinary medicine, and it was really in North Carolina that my advice Visor, dr. Glenn almond and a fellow swine clinician. Dr. Butch Baker introduced me to the swine production mornings with the systems in eastern North Carolina through them. I created a pretty good Network within the swine industry and it didn't take me too many Summers to commit my career to this one industry very fortunate with my first career opportunity with close to home and Pennsylvania was Country View Family Farm their identity of the Clemens food group their drawers 65 Different styles and Pennsylvania, New York, Ohio and Indiana, and then there's 20 other Independent Producers that Supply Hogs to the to harvest facilities in Pennsylvania and Michigan so over the 10 years at Clemens, I oversaw all the animal health from birth to Market. They Animal Welfare programs including the implementation of third party animal welfare audits on farm and the animal handling program was in the plants to comply with Federal and customer requirements a few months ago. So I took the new career opportunity with a link of animal health as a senior technical consultant within the Slime business unit and I'm excited to be helping various swine producers and veterinarians in the Eastern Corn Belt region find solutions to their Animal Health needs and work with a diverse team at a link. Oh, very nice. Yeah, very active career so far and lots of production experience. We'd like to see that so yeah, let's Jump right into it then. Dr. Rue sir. Can you define purse? I'm sure most everyone is familiar, even though there's some folks in our audience audience that are lucky enough to not have that in their country. But if you can share the definition of purse and walk us through the brief history of it. Yeah, so I'm young enough to be fortunate or I'm not sure. Fortunate to know the u.s. Blind industry. I've always known it with her. So I should say I don't know it without first. So it is really second nature to me to think about the virus and how it impacts our production and biosecurity pers or its abbreviated prrs, v stands for porcine reproductive and respiratory syndrome virus, but before the etiology was determined and the early 1990s the US industry referred to as mystery pig disease. Koch's postulates were fulfilled in 1991 with the etiology being a previously unrecognized RNA virus and so purges a small RNA envelope virus and it's highly host Pacific to replication in the porcine alveolar macrophages and in macrophages of other tissues and has been shown to replicate into V. You particular germ cells and infected boards as well. The nature of the RNA viruses is the rate of mutation and the ability of the fire. First to hide I guess for lack of a better word than become reactivated under periods of stress, which adds challenges for producers and Swine veterinarians in the control management and eradication of the virus from a heard it will replicate in the macrophages of lymphoid tissues and then spread rapidly throughout the body by the limbo fanatic route and we can see typically Peak firing me as patterns are 7 to 10 days post infection. However, the jury In a very me and varies depending on the strain the age of the pig co-infections and hacking immune system and several others several other items and but in some instances of Irina can persist for three months and individual Pig very good. Thanks for that background there. And what is the economic impact of course to the global sign industry? Yes. It's one of the most devastating diseases impacting the swine industry. Worldwide in 2013 whole camp and others calculated the impact of pers to the US swine industry as 664 million dollars per year that's around a hundred fifty Seven dollars per cell per year in the u.s. And then in Europe has been reported that average losses for purrs outbreaks were as made a hundred twenty six euros per South. I tried to convert the u.s. Dollars to Euros just to see if I could compare. Little bit and if I did the conversion correctly not sure if I did or not. It would be the u.s. Number would be around a hundred forty six euros per cell in the u.s. Okay for their brakes, very good. Yeah. It's a massive impact right there. And can you dive a little deeper on the symptoms and signs to watch for on purse sure if you're getting to the heart of my Production background and what I would be really looking for out in the field and as I mentioned earlier, there's a lot of different pathogenic strains of hers be covid because of its rapid mutation. So this will impact the type of clinical science or observed and there's other critical factors that determining symptoms. Like I said before the age of the pigs is pretty important. You'll see more severe signs and pays better pre weaning versus post weaning and later in Finished or mature it's also important thing about what other pathogens are endemic in the herd and that impacts what clinical signs that you see in the barn. So mycoplasma influenza a Streptococcus newest tamakwa Parish Louis Circle virus, all of those can impact the severity of the clinical signs and of arm previous exposure is also important. Are you working with a heard that seem person before modulus or heterogeneous strains, or is it a completely naive? I've heard as the name of the virus indicates porcine reproductive and respiratory syndrome virus. There's two bodies systems that are really impacted that you see visibly and positive animals to reproductive signs are found at the South farms and breeding herds and these symptoms don't really come in any particular order or start in any particular area of the barn. It really depends on how and where the virus enters the farm so that the people supplies transportation. Shannon's replacement animals, all of those can determine where or how the disease starts? So the beginning of a break with Styles typically have lethargy and a patent the mild fevers rapid spike in abortions and especially in that mid gestation phase and then as the virus enters the fairing Barnes to start to see the rate of stillborns and mummies and poor doing pigs at Birth rapidly increase and then consequently the pigs aren't nursing very well and that causes further. Complications and breeding and conception in the next turn for the South. So in my experience trains with the lower reproductive pathologist City. The first symptom may not be anything with the cells. It may be an increase in premium scours of the nursing pigs. It really varies and can cause a lot of confusion on farms of the team as to what the root cause of the issue is and what their next steps should be. So sometimes it's confusing if they're dealing with pers or not and mature boars. Early indicators a dip and semen production or Spike an abnormal cells. So they too can be symptomatic or asymptomatic from the observation of lethargy and evidence or fever the second part of the syndrome is a manifestation of respiratory signs and these can be observed in both the growing pigs amateurish line. It's a very easy usually age-dependent as well as dependent on co-infections many people. I've heard folks and production say that I have coughing pigs. I must have purrs and that's not really True so uncomplicated purrs where you just have Purge the virus in the pigs. They shouldn't be coughing. They're actually usually just over look are Jake and having a peninsula mild fever. But those that are used to seeing influence or a many of the bacterial pneumonias Whispers can see the coughing and some of the other clinical signs of the co-infection purse by itself can have a lot of ramifications on growth performance as the people take more days to get to accept your Market weight. For producers of the key performance indicator and but very financially critical. So as I said most purrs positive pigs are complicated with at least one or not more Co pathogens any of the influenza is mycoplasma. Those are many bacteria that cause pneumonia polyserositis. So often a producer on prognosis practitioners will observe clinically more of the endemic or co-infection ramifications. They'll see a spike in those symptoms versus that of just a perspire. Hours that triggers them to inquire more and dig more into why they're pigs aren't responding to the normal treatment practices. Very good very very clear and what to be strategies to prevent purse. So prevention strategies is a really good question because I would as a practitioner much rather prevent person have to address the aftermath of it in any part of production. So not all systems are veterinarians. Murmurs value prevention the same so it's pretty similar to an insurance policy. That's how much prevention you want to put in place is just too how much risk is one willing to take and a lot of factors determine that if we think about the modes of transportation then think about each route of Entry can be a given risk level depending on the phase of production geography and other production system characteristics. So things about lateral entry is through direct contact or indirectly. For fun so might that are carrying purse pyrus. I've often said that a somite is anything entering the farm other than the pigs already residing at the farm. So you think about that and think about all the stuff so we put into place for ourselves to enter the farms and our supplies that we bring in or new replacement animals. We can also think about this on a global war individual animal perspective. So it's important to ask ourselves. What is the objective or the prevention? Biosecurity practices limiting the disease entry into a country or region estate account E A Farm a barn on that farm or room or even maybe even just the individual farrowing style. So there's various levels of biosecurity and prevention that we can think about. There's a various aspects of Dimensions that we can be considered implied to hers or any of the other disease threats and I just think about this is a little side note but biosecurity and prevention practices for pers don't really only apply to pers they can apply to a lot of other domestic and foreign animal diseases. So that's important to remember just with all the other disease conversations that are happening you think these days worldwide but if we think about purrs and thing about foam Isis anything that can be carrying nasal secretions or any of the other bodily fluids that has presented and then we start placing standard operating procedures at each of those locations. Jen's and prevent the movement of those items or at least the cleaning and disinfection of these items between sites and I really did study that often resurfaces when were talking about prevention and it's a good one to scare people with is a reminder of the snowball study that dr. Scott D has done early on in the prison investigation in which he showed the mechanical transmission of hers that it can occur in normal swine production movement. Between farms and swine production offices during cold weather soper's does survive longer and colder temperatures. However has been shown to impact farms in all weather seasons and I highly recommend having biosecurity and monitoring practices in place all year round. We're pretty fortunate though that pers viruses quickly and activated through lipid Sullivant heat drying and at a pH level below 5 or above 7, so first we can consider a transportation. Equipment at minimum Transportation equipment needs to be cleaned and disinfected and allowed to dry in between loads at all stages of production and the drying times and take the most time the drying step but especially in the middle of winter and Midwest United States. It's really tough to get Transportation equipment dry. So many in the u.s. Blind industry have turned to trailer Bakers. So if you use the temperature in their favor to prevent the purse transmission, so following routine cleaning and disinfection. a jurors, the transportation equipment is based to a minimum of a hundred forty degrees Fahrenheit and then held for a preset amount of time and I know not all Farms have this equipment in place, but it is a pretty neat way to use technology and the characteristics of the virus thing susceptible to drying and heat to prevent that transmission between Farm Me another way to do it. If you don't have this that equipment and place is to just restrict movement between farms and said of preset number of nights down away from pigs for equipment and people and supplies that the everything can be cleaned and disinfected and have time to dry the same cleaning and disinfection and drying procedures can be put into place for smaller equipment or supplies used in the industry many of our breeding herds have fumigation rooms and Small Supply items are placed into and then fumigated or fog with a disinfectant that and then allowed time to dry before they're entered into the farm. There's another technology that many farms you and it's been shown effective for person ultraviolet light exposure. This is a convenient for smaller supplies or personal items that are taken across the clean dirty line and that was clean dirty lines brings up another very critical piece to buy it. Security and clean dirty lines we talked about a lot. That's the pre-identified line that indicates a step or procedure needs to be taken the depending on the stage of production and the type of program. So Farm is under will determine the steps taken if there are various line staggered coming into the site as an example of breeding herd may have three separate barriers to entry versus a finisher that shipping pigs directly to market for bringing her. They have a gate at the end of the day. I've way to restrict any vehicle traffic on site or to indicate that if a vehicle is coming on site and needs to be cleaned and disinfected a second barrier may be that an individual getting out of the vehicle would put on shoe covers and then third before they enter into the farm. They have to shower and change into clothing. That's Farm specific. Whereas it a finisher that has Market animals. They're just maybe that last barrier of a clean dirty line where they're changing into Farm specific cover. Girls and Boots, so those differences of how many steps we put into place considering what the life cycle of the pigs are on the farm if it's continuous flow of breeding herd if it's all in all out by sight if it's fair to finish fair to wean. We need to finish a nursery or just finishing all of those have to be taken into consideration when designing the biosecurity program for a farm and even inside of Arm to so we don't want to forget about internal biosecurity and those internal biosecurity procedures really come become really important when we're talking about that. We've had a break and then we're trying to minimize movement within a farm or just indifferent Barnes on the same site. So those are important procedures in place between animals on the same Farm we can also think about natural barriers. Probably not enough credit. Has given to those or maybe lack there of some natural barriers and some parts of the US industry. So in my part of the world where I was practicing there's mountains and trees and shrubs and we took those two advantage to change the air flow to and from farms and create a natural filtration system, but in Geographic areas that are flat and without natural barriers actually tend to be where most of the dense hog populations are and the United States because of the availability of Gray. It's for feed so farms in those regions are more likely to build some positive filtration systems just because they don't have the natural filtration systems around them and that helps to prevent the aerial spread of pers between Farms. That's very interesting. And it may I think about some farms in Brazil where there's a lot of trees around the farms and and like a natural barrier. But but you made a good point a lot of the pig dancer. Errors in the u.s. Don't have that natural naturally there. So be expensive probably to to plant those as well and take up a lot of important grain crop land. Yeah. So other just a couple other things on prevention of biosecurity that I like to emphasize when I'm talking about. This is people travel and we're traveling more and more across the country and internationally, but it's also surprising to hear about how pigs travel so you Pigs are getting on airplanes as well these days so we can't drop the ball and asking about travel internationally across the country or email local travel into livestock auctions or fairs. We also want to think about when we're purchasing animals. Where are they coming from? What is their her status or pathogen risk that we're going to be bringing in? So it's always important to have those Veterinary discussions between your veterinarian and the veterinarian of the source heard to understand those risks that we would Breathe. Bringing into our herd and then lastly is diagnostic surveillance, not really prevention, but more of a monitoring of the herd statuses and understanding risk of spreading occurs from Farm to farm and there's some really easy technology with the oral fluid technology for folks to get samples of various ages of pigs on a routine basis and we can test those through the polymerase Chain Reaction, which is the PCR or for antibody responses through Eliza test. Very nice said it's amazing the the amount of you know, knowledge that there is and protocols than can be put in place. And like I said the most interesting part is that everything that Implement to that to purse it's going to help with a lot of other diseases. So that's that's very cool. And once you got that in place, you know, it turns out to be a pretty cost-effective way of Control preventing for so that's that's nice. How about controlling was it's already infected what to be some thoughts on that. Yes. Unfortunately a farm can have all those prevention procedures in place and still break with purrs. So that's when we start thinking about control and stabilization and maybe if a farm is lucky to have a successful history of keeping purrs out they can consider elimination program. So research and Sir control methods have been emphasized a lot more in breeding herds than grow finish just because of The Continuous Flow and age of the animals at the breeding herd Farms versus a all in all out finishing barn, but the first step though is to consider the site's history how the virus entered the farm and can those risks be removed for the long term and that applies to both the breeding herds in the grow finishers. So knowing the area helps to predict what types of programs will be. Therefore the future so for breeding hers, we often talk about our breeding her closure. And this is a sequence of events that includes a load close exposed and stabilize the farm so prior to a closure a breeding herd will receive additional gilts and this is the load phase and it's important that the farm has guilt to maintain breathe through the closure and then the farm is closed. So once they're loaded they have the additional guilt that they knit. Need then the farm is close to no more new entries of animals as the farm is as Fair as a theater or finish is really important for producers to consider moving pigs off-site for that grow finish phase and the goal with that is to minimize. The number of animals on site that has less exposure or a more naive in a logical status to the particular virus because you really want to be able to get all the animals on site that the same. Put her in the same immune status to that particular virus next is exposure. So that's how we're going to do it. These methods have evolved over time. So breeding herds, however, multiple break and control control strategies have shown that all the animals on site really need to be exposed to the live virus or an attenuated virus of similar genetic characteristics and vaccination of all the breeding animals on site with a commercially available Modified by vaccine is the most Amin route for this exposure and then the last step is stabilization and monitoring through the remainder of the heard closure and this is where the internal biosecurity practices become pretty important and the mid 1990s. The term make Rubble was coined by dr. Monte McCall and the procedures focused on minimizing transmission occurs within the throwing Barn between litters of pigs in this is especially during standard operating processes such as ear notching tail. Talking and injection of medications and vaccines during this phase of the control attenuated Modified by vaccines also continue to be utilized to reduce the shedding of virus with them and from the farm foreclosures are monitored through the piglet very Mia at Birth and at weaning and they are the most naive animals on site with the least established immune system to fight the virus. So ultimately at the end of our her closure with the purpose of elimination the piglets need to have shown. A consistent negative by PCR throughout the screening phase and the length of time it takes to accomplish. This is really strain and heard specific. There are very pathogenic strains that move faster a population While others take longer to move and develop that immune response that's needed. So I mentioned the purse attenuated or modified live vaccines using stabilizing breeding herds, but these can also be used in are commonly used in the ministration to piglets that Be negative or positive at the time of winning but are being transported and grown out in positive Geographic areas. So these vaccines have shown to reduce firing Mia decrease shedding and improve the growth of pigs through Market, very interesting that makes total sense Jessica. What Abby from the what would be the latest in deepest understanding of purse today in another words. What's new with pores? Yes, there are Angels have dedicated their careers to studying this virus. And if you think about it, the last 30 years the industry has obtained a lot of scientific literature on various aspects of the virus the diagnostic tools prevention strategies as well as control and management methods. And so the uniquor may be frustrating trade occurs in the disease that manifests is the variation and change. It seems from the perspective of me being a recent partition the field it was as soon as we thought we had it figured out. Change that mutated or we combined with something different and so it Alters the passenger City. We find it in a new location that shift service level for transmission to knife heard some more recent technology that's being applied to the field is whole genome sequencing and traditionally the or five Jean of the virus is what was sequenced to determine if a clinical picture is new from is the from a different strain or if it's a similar strain of a previous break within the system or and endemic strain, but what we're finding is that strain aren't matching what we're getting on our sequences at matching what we're seeing in the field from our history and a lot of the large production systems and veterinary clinics. They use a lot of big data sets connect the sequence of or five to the performance of the pigs of what they're seeing in a lot of the clinical history and Diagnostics and we're starting to build this picture, but then when it doesn't match up over time, we're starting to ask a lot more questions and in these cases the whole genome sequencing Wharton and it's helping us to understand that whole virus of more specifically about is it recombining with other strains? And I hope that we can also learn a lot more from and I think where there's a lot more that we can learn about pathogenicity and then even more about the strain itself. Is it going to elicit more of a reproductive or respiratory clinical picture? And I think there's a lot more that we can learn from it, but it's a new diagnostic tool that is getting closer to the field to the pig. Egg and then a secondary research that I don't know that we have a lot of information on but there are people working on it is the question regarding how perspires takes advantage of the pigs immune system and our their Technologies are methods that we can actually block that and use it as a more broad spectrum intervention. They good if you could write one thing about birds on a billboard for all pay producers and fund professionals to read when they are dry. Ring what? Would that be as I'm not a real big marketing creative person. I tend to lean more on the technical information. So this is probably the hardest question that you had I thought about it and I was just came up with Safeguard your barn purrs this changing interesting very good anything else some purse. Dr. Jessica before we move to the three questions. That we ask every guest. Hey, so I was thinking through these questions and preparing for the discussion. I really stopped to think about I hear a lot of presentations from leadership development on the different generations of people and so Society categorises Generations based on what they know or have experience and I just think about the new practitioners in the field today even myself. I've been in practice for 10 years. And we don't know a u.s. Lime industry without purse and so there's a few of us that can remember when serco virus came in before the vaccines were available and we can remember life before porcine epidemic diarrhea, but fewer and fewer of the swine industry remembers life before pers and so I've heard many people say that so we have it and we have to learn to live with it. But I really do want to see us challenge ourselves as an mystery that we can get back to maybe living without it again. And so I believe it is important for us to continue to share experiences and learnings from the early days of the mystery pig disease and apply those to new technologies and Diagnostics that we have to really push ourselves forward. They nice see I think that's a honorable goal to have for sure as industry since 1971 Xin Pro Corporation has focused on one thing. Mineral nutrition as the most research proven organic feed Trace mineral products in the industry Xin Pro performance minerals deliver performance and profitability to swine operations around the globe to know more go to Xin Pro.com. It is thiem to our fails. What is your favorite swine related book, so Oh, I'm pretty traditional at the diseases of swine book. It's my favorite. I have that I would bet money. That was your favorite book for sure. What's your favorite book in general outside of pig production? So traditionally my book would be Pride and Prejudice enjoy watching the movies as well. But in a spreading often, but more recently a really good book that I've read that can apply. Having more to others is a book called Never split the difference by Chris ba very good. It's about negotiation this in life. I mean, even I listened to him speak and he taught me how to negotiate with my three-year-old at bedtime to get him to go to bed. So it's a great book for Life. Very nice. I love that book as well. Yeah. His experience says that I believe was FBI, right the best that go she ate her from FBI is amazing, correct. Yep, very good, and lastly in your opinion what separates successful science professionals from those that are not so I really believe in proactive adaptation to change so not being reactive but really thinking ahead looking towards the future or what predicting what changes are coming. Very nice. Very good doctor Jessica. We appreciate your time today. Thanks so much, and we'll be in touch. Okay. Thank you.

“How much prevention you want to put in place? It is just how much risk is one willing to take. And a lot of factors determine that... if we think about the modes of transportation and think about each route of entry can be giving risk level, depending on the phase of production, geography, and other production system characteristics.” – Dr. Jessica Risser. Today’s episode will cover “PRRS: From "mystery disease" to not so mysterious anymore”. Our guest is Dr. Jessica Risser, Elanco’s Senior Technical Consultant. Jessica joined Elanco after 10 years at Country View Family Farms, before that, she received a Bachelor’s of Science in Agricultural Biochemistry from West Virginia University, a Doctorate of Veterinary Medicine from North Carolina State University, and completed the Executive Veterinary Program for Swine Veterinarians at the University of Illinois. What you will learn: The brief history of PRRS; Economic impact of PRRS to the global swine industry; Latest and deepest understanding of PRRS; What separates successful swine professionals from those that are not. Jessica’s favorite swine-related book: Diseases of Swine Jessica’s favorite book unrelated to swine: Pride and Prejudice and Never Split the Difference Edited by Lauro Faccin

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We are here doing When Calls the Heart season 6 episode 1 the premiere episode phone rings and Heartstrings. Yep, you should all know what's going on. But if you don't welcome, I'm one of your hosts Marissa Serafini joining me. I have in Stereo. I'm back. It's me James lot cheering soon as you're back. Oh my gosh, it's been forever since we've been in the same room together. It's been a year. Yeah as we've done the lead this finale last year's like April is almost a year. I'll see you haven't I haven't been I've been gone. I was gone for eight months. No, I'm back. You guys left me. I left you here by choice for you. We all know. Choice, right? How are you? Sir back. We're back on my gosh. I'm so excited to talk about the season. Yes me too is I can't season six you guys season 6. We've come a long way we have come along with time is coming along it is I'm seeing things in the background all yours a good background on time. I'm seeing things like, oh I got this is happening with their that's happening over there that's happening over there. So yes, it's becoming as fully formed. Yeah Community. It's a growing Town. Look at that. Well, obviously, we're going to break it all down with Elizabeth and keep baby Jack, you know some stuff. Laura Abigail and bring the phone to Town the saloon and potential future Business Partnership. And then of course team classy has a great story like that about that building and future we're going to get all into it. But before we do yes James, what were your quick thoughts about the season 6 premiere it was cute. It was it was just a nice. It was like it wasn't too much. It was kind of a lighter side. That's not later. Pretty much lighter. I think there's any real like real dramatic. No not really at all. And is he seek out? And a lighter side to this episode, they really kind of played up the lighter side of stuff with him. Is it fun episode? So what you think I liked it. It was like lighter like you said and there was a lot of storylines to follow y'all had to watch this episode like two and a half times to make sure I had to watch watch moly. I don't watch it slowly because was like, there was a lot of stuff to absorb a lot of things like we just hit the ground running and that's what you know the show does because we're not they're not going to wait for any was like no you gotta catch up this town is growing and it It's definitely progressing forward. And so shall we let's talk about Elizabeth. Let me start this over this Elizabeth and baby Jack. She's like coming into this new motherhood lifestyle. She's balancing, you know motherhood to going back to teaching now, but what are your thoughts first because I haven't really talked to you in person about this but your thoughts of baby Jack. Yeah. That was a here. Yeah. So everything. Okay. Yeah, the the first of all the cutest baby. Oh my gosh, so cute the cutest things and I know No, that baby's digital home thing. We work with babies and children. So I know it's kind of funny but these babies acted right on cue means smiling and now mean it's like I mean, I don't have to hide to see how many takes it takes to do these but hit they were great. It means killing it just it number one. It's cute the name the name Jack after Jack. Of course, that's very apropos know. I like the great word like the word and I thought I thought just in general just showing her having to but happens till today. Being a single mom back then and how you juggle it all and just and everybody loving the baby. I love the opening intro and she's talking she's kind doing the voice-over and saying just like Jack and real life all the ladies and all the men wanted like and it's just it was very handy friends with him. Yes. It is. Very is very and they'll get you say Cube. That's the word. I think they came we going that story lies. It's very cute. Right it is cute and gosh this babies are adorable. Oh my God. Yes and to get them like constantly smiling at Aaron as / Elizabeth. It and this episode I was like, yeah, I did also question. I was like, I wonder how long that took them. Those are some salty little bit takes it took it off yelling stuff. So but maybe this is good babies. I mean, maybe maybe some some babies. Are you no good at that soon, but we see throughout this episode Elizabeth its questioning if she's a good mother do you think it's too soon for her to question that because we technically have only seen maybe like a full episode 1 and 1/2 episodes of her being an actual mother. So do you think it's too early for her to question those things know as a Myself me. And the mothers of my children we yes I said mother said it was very hard the beginning because it's the very thing is so new and they like parents out there will understand. It's so new you don't make sure that you're like our Union of tension. You don't want to leave you really don't want to leave them. It's so hard to leave them. Even though has time you're tired or you're going a little stressed out. My always say the first year of my daughter's lives. My daughter's life. I was like she alive. Is she breathing. Is she alive? Is she breathing we're going over there. What's going on there? Like did I feed them enough that it seems like it's you literally just trying to make sure there's till you do question. I like am I doing the right thing? Am I doing enough in my way too long? So I thought for her. It's right on Target and feeling kind of like she did it by yourself. So to speak with the town is helping her but it's her baby. So I feel to me it's in line with kind of questioning yourself. I think mothers out there to understand. Yeah, and you're definitely parent and this is where I wish Maria was still here because she is the mother of the panel. Yes. I mean like good for her. We love Maria Mia provenzano or former host. I'm going to family but she's living it up on a home and family to kill a plug for her. Yes, cuz I mean, yeah, she's a mother she didn't she didn't she knows what it's like to go through that thing and first mom and all but I feel that's a very real it's just story for no matter whether you're a mother you're just just new parent if you're doing a good job, and I love how Abigail went up to her is like no, you're great. Yes, right. I'm like--'cause Abigail's great. Work it takes one to know one. Yes, it does. But I think when people are in chatting with green that once I guess we're out there that yes, but if you win your first time they that this that commercial out there. I like first-time parents and like they're all careful second time. Here you go baby in the shower. I love those commercials because it's so true everyone you I grew up around kids because I come from a big family. So it was always babies in my life. So item I had children least I still got nurse was a little more relaxed, but I still was a little nervous because it's yours. You don't want anything to happen, right? They do Quest your self. So Elizabeth Elizabeth is a she's a good person and she was do well as she wants to be with, you know to do really well and she's a teacher also, which I'm sure there's some kind of that in there too. And yeah, so then it's like it makes sense to me make sense. She's gone back to teaching. I mean she was always a great parent or like a great parent szilard surrogate parent until the children because how do we know that she's going to be a good mom for just how she treats all the children and how sure are you that man teaches them life lessons to so it makes I'm just after all this time that we See her like really so self-confident. It's really the first time I she's like questioning her. So yeah, that's what parenting will do that moms. Always worry Stuart Pearce as the hell. Yeah, that's very true. And she's also being kind of somewhat of a surrogate mother to Lauren this abscess. What did you think of Laura and the whole idea that she has to work part-time at you the Mercantile her family doesn't have enough money to go to college. What are your thoughts of the Laura storyline and how Elizabeth helped her along the way first of all, these kids are growing up right before our eyes right before Roberts like three feet tall guy knows like Michael. Oh Gemini, you just didn't realize you're just growing so tall. No I thought again realistic. This showed what this show does lot of times even though it's set in a period That's not today. It's relevant to today the issues a so, it's like the issues were still going on back then. And I love how I love how Elizabeth is empowering. She's as I always say girls and women should watch the show because he actually empowered empowerment on this show is really strong. I know you and I know you agree with that menu and chatter agree with that. And so I love the fact that she was trying to let fine to figure out help her figure out a way to actually get to college. She knew there's some stuff going on but it's hard when you're facing any money and I was working at 15. I mean, I'm afraid I don't have money. So I'm looking at 15, but I had still aspirations to go to college yet. So we have to work hard certain way and I love Elizabeth we're trying to help encourage her. Yeah, and yeah, it does take work to get to where you actually want to be. Yes, you have to work full-time as a nanny and part-time at the Mercantile. But if you really want to go to college how I'm like that's worth an education work hard now, it'll be easier later. Right and I want to I just want to mention hired by another chapter. Of course. Those are all wonderful. So yes, thank you. We have Lori Pearson Jay Sebring. He bank I was wrong. Riddle, I know I say this every time I'm so I'm so grateful to say this. I think I miss you. Hi, Jenna. I have I just have to say because that's how I think we do Sunshine heart. I see chickens is in here. I love chicken. This isn't that like it's his back. Debbie Bailey is in here and Martinez to appears Kelly fog our girls like frogs in here. I just I mean, it's just Sheriff's daughter Sunshine Hardy or Pearson least call Angela. Hello hard. He's been so happy. Yeah. I just think Carolyn could not canopy. Obviously the incorrect. I just I just for me just makes me I'm To be sitting here and you guys said hi to me. So how do you guys to just happen to be here? Are they saying anything about the whole way? They're like, they're like in the Lord storyline and the glass really baby checks Nanny, but the whole thing is like yeah, that's what a good teacher does is encourage your students to do better that's amazing were saying in the chat room. So it's you know, it's I think I think I agree. I agree with that sentiment you guys I think that's what that's what good I could teachers. It's pushed me also. Yeah, and that's what a good teacher does and I think that I think the whole line haven't read Pride and Prejudice. Prejudice yes, like you call yourself a girl but Jane Austen actually, I'm out of yes, I Jane Austen of course people don't know Pride and Prejudice is literally one of my favorite stories. I've read it like fiery were six times in my life. I literally can't even count because I read it so often I thought of you I said, I staple story in any woman's life. Yeah, I agree and I what age you are so it's a I sucked up her now that think I was probably Laura's age by the time I got this right. I was young you see a movie nothing. I can really see a movie with Kate Winslet. The equipment's the words. What did she do Prejudice but you're not anyone's best like 2005. We're totally getting off to you. Okay? So Sanderson. No. Mr. Darcy is Colin Firth for me. Hello baby seeing but that's beside the point. Yes, but I do love how Elizabeth gave her the book and you know to just encourage more education. Yes, specially Pride and Prejudice. So when good for you girl, definitely alright anything else about that before we move on to Abigail Yes, actually before we want to have Gail I think I have to do a little read folks you guys, you know for us here at afterwards to be loved bringing these shows to you. We really really do and we want to and we really do thank you for making us the ESPN MTV talk especially you heart he's out there really follow us and we want to help dumping help you guys help us continue to grow and as tell other first Oliver Hardy is of course, you're on YouTube right now if you're not subscribed to and sometimes I see over here said they're the first time watching they listen to us for the first time watching so welcome like this hit the Subscribe button why you're here. 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She does say I would like it would be better if it get cut in fact make be a little shorter, but we talk fast there's a lot to talk about himself besides that she really loves it and you all are doing a great job. So thank you. Thank you mad. Well, yeah and thank you all for being part after STV. It means so much to us. Tell your friends. Put all the Hardys. There's 65,000 you out there. We wants to 5,000 people watching our show listening to our show. And let's see my show on iTunes and at the comment everywhere. I think your and thereby. Yes, my shirt says I'm a hugger and you guys who know me some of you've gotten hugs for me. So I'm a hug the first thing you did to me when we came to the studio today. Yeah. All right, let's talk about Abigail. I mean, he's such an awesome woman already. I know she's she's even more awesome mayor mayor, that's right. Now she's bringing the telephone to telephone the telephone. What are you thoughts of this? I laugh I thought was hilarious. I just think how ironic almost that ironical. However, I was joking say that I just got real word, but how ironical that there's some of the phone in a day and age where I mean, I literally live on my phones. We all know we all do is it's kind of like the phones are phones. Our computers now are checking live chat via my yeah, he's our phone. So it's like my phone's right pop - I don't get to do this thing, but it's just so funny. I'm like, I thought wow they bring the phone on and I talked to us off camera. I thought it'd be like a long story line of the phone. But actually it's they just went right into it. Yeah, I was surprised that they introduced it so quick because if you think about it like season for they talked about the railroad and it took us a few episodes even till like the next season for it to actually see it come to fruition. It was like a slow Progressive buildup and this is like no we're getting the phone this episode and even if you check out my interview with Lori Loughlin back at HFR for that was great. She mentioned that she was bringing her. Her character was bringing the telephone and I was it's actually a great thing to start the season off on a positive note progression just like it shows growth of the Town. It shows even more communication with outside the town now, so it's gonna do wonders for them. Oh, yeah. I love the old phones. I love I want to old phone just to have what? I mean. I don't want to dial it or anything, but I just want to know for this so cute have because I have expenses now. I don't work, but just to have it but it will change the town. It was going to change it. They did not rely on the telegraph so much anymore. Now that the phone yeah, and I actually found it quite funny that it seemed like the men were having the harder part is time adjusting and adapting to phones because we see not just making a mess of the switchboard. Yes, sir. Woman had to come and fix this problem and then bill was not happy because he's like the toe of graph has been working for the last 80 years now. So it seems like the men are a little bit more resistance separately separately. He was practicing on the phone. He's like, yes. With that would I laugh so hard when Bill watches like? Oh really, you know, it's not it's not on yet. That was actually very very funny right side note. I was switchboard operator. So I've does to the jobs I've ever done. I did support twice. Yeah. I've known you for how long and how I think I never met her chest to mention. I was at which the operator at Morgan Stanley and switchboard operator for an answer me senior service years ago component wires and all that good back is this is back in the 80s. I was a long time ago. So now you do differently but interesting. Well, I love sweetbreads love it. I love it. She came it. you think that the new chick is going to be kind of I think she's definitely sticking around for a few episodes she showed her ankles well it was more so like ankle socks but it was short shorter skirt than most are you - to perfect progressive woman those look at the position that she was in she had to fix a man's problem and and like she just she's already inspirational I like her she can stay yes he's there I'm gonna find Beyond a Miller that's right I see girls let's see a girl so she's in there she's gonna do it again work it out yeah I like him and I think it's good that it you know the television television the telephone is going to do a little wonders may be said that uh graph is around for 80 years at that point I was like Wow interesting Telegraph has worked for 80 years now yeah it's like wow it's run that long as my best Bill voice was terrible I know but I did love the the moment with a foreign Somali team flew him out there like scandalous Yeah the phone I know the phone. Oh my God, that's all I thought the Richard mentioned the scene with flow and the baby the beginning. I thought she would never lie Duncan gossip about the town I could so everybody can stop laughing that's cute. I was cute my Florence floor. It'll too young for that. Yes. But yeah, the the the telephone is going to be great. I'd have it in my nose. Now, they need to learn the magic of voicemail voicemail. I don't know yet. But they're yes moving on to the saloon Tom has to sell this one because he's traveling back and forth, you know City, but but people are interested in buying this land particularly gallon and Bill, but they want to go to leave because obviously has the most money in the whole town. What are your thoughts of how this all played out and them just trying to set up this partnership? Yeah, again, very light-hearted compared to like the past relation between them between Bill and gallon as very light-hearted kind of comical to meet you great choices would want to buy the saloon and he does like these are two people all my yeah, I can see them both each running a saloon. Yeah. It would be kind of fun to have them in a partnership would be interesting. But then we find out turns out they're not going to get somebody else bought it but and Lead would be the great choice. I love Rosemary Rosemary does everything that's my universe my girl. She makes it all about herself for some that's my girl. And so I know you do for me exactly. I just think it's so funny that she was like, okay now you sit down and you said let's talk about this. What can you offer me? His Lee said got to talk to Rosie. I'll talk to her. So I was like, okay, so this guy was funny it was funny. The moment. Yeah bill was reeling to rename the saloon Rosemary and Gan says that he would build a stage for him Rosemary so she can perform. Yeah, I was like, alright Rosemary I said, well you're trying to get out while she's the former. So she wants to perform. There's nothing stopping her building a stage at home. That's your to buy more. Now. We see what's happening. Now in somebody else is coming to town whatever happened to Doug has even though they had dragon-like season 3. Yeah, you guys were no no, you're right where to go. That was a stage that you could have performed on did they strike that I don't know repurpose the wood for something else really if I did I could be production for all those who came to town and flexible Catatonia the wolf something else. Maybe we'll say that I was like, it's like look at your husband. He he runs the Sawmill. Yeah. I know. I think you can easily build you something like half a day. Yeah. Yeah, you're fine Rosemary. Yes, but I did like how she tried to manipulated so she can get something out of it. That's so true to Rosemary. Yeah completely. She played a big part in this episode. She did. Also playing Matchmaker to Rosemary. Oh, yes Carson and they say really going with that register. I guess I guess a grant Direction building it up. And then we kind of saw that coming first. There was actually this happening happening on screen it but it also makes sense that Rosemary would be the Matchmaker. Yeah, it would seemingly definitely I love that didn't go the way she well first things first. They're officially each other's sentences when they were helping never his head with his head. Never has had I'm rhyming and and so those Cafe and I was like, okay, I noticed that first Moto this kind of fish each other sentences. Okay, and the RQ couple to be cute couple together, but it will surely going to go that direction and now it seems like they're really going that direction. So that dinner party was really funny like most dinner party things always go is plan some are awkward to do you agree with rosemary was saying about lays like it's great to have some be married because you always have someone agree with you like girl. That's not a relationship. Compromise. Yeah at all. No, you're not at all. But I thought by thought it's again true to her character. Yes. That's why she would say that every and Lead loves her of course and it's he's fine. But these two I'm really curious to see if they really do get together the season they work things out like it they hit some patches here and there especially the line. I'm never wrong because Lea loves me so much. Mmm. Yeah, sometimes you do kind of go in the wrong direction, but we always work it out. I was like, yeah. So there's a fight as a as a funny girl part was funny. It's forget. It requires light-hearted. So it's funny and the relationship usually is light-hearted. Yeah, they are the light-hearted couple gonna actually are they have some dramatic moments here like but they're the ones that we get the most left side of that's true, right? That's crazy because every because least facial expressions to Rosemary is hilarious cabin is a great as a great job. It's just it just like you can tell you having fun. I mean, I realized like they're having fun with this role. So you have too much fun sometimes where sometimes I just wonder when When if I'm watching Lee and rosemary or from actually watching Pascal and cabin, right? Right, exactly actually say way it's like there's so much their characters. I don't mind it. Yeah. Well, you know, I you know, I have a question to ask out something. I just yeah, I do. So any she does I'm like sure I'm getting it. I'm getting here getting here. Yeah, but there they are the married couple right now because unfortunately jackets jeonju that says there are cotton Rosemary's web. Pretty funny it's true to say but very so yeah, it was awkward. Yeah, it was the awkward was awkward. You know. Yeah, it's actually came to a good agreement at the end where they were talking and that it should be going and build together to do the partnership and then they got bought out but we did see the moment with going to build starting to work out their differences. Like if you run the receipts here and I do this and by the whiskey here, whatever they were they could have been in good working partnership. I think I agree I think That's the whole point was that if someone keeps an eye on gallon then it'd be okay build and build be the one to do it. Obviously. I mean, I think I'd be good because that's what he's trying to lie. It is Healy could have done it to Kyle. I think Bill would be better suited to kind of keep an eye on him and keep him on the straight and narrow so but I think down is trying to trying to redeem him. So I think he's trying to redeem himself nice or like have a cleaner business and restart again. I get it you all know how much I don't know. Yeah, I know but I'm willing to give if he can start. A fresh. I'm willing to see where his new storyline takes him. Yes. So there you go. I agree. All right. I'm open to a good going right guys. So you heard I thought this time stamp set I said he's open to it. I'm open to it because I was so resistant resistant to it, but I'm open to it now. All right moving on to another couple team classic my folks and Jesse. Okay, so by the parcel and he seized a feature with Clara we actually haven't heard him say I love you yet. Those three words Wheels, but he's already envisioning a future with Clara but he wants to be financially set before he moves forward your thoughts of this. Okay, folks don't get mad at me hearties. Okay, you know, I knew I did, you know, I sit my wine so wait we have wine. Well, yes now to decorate but we do have one cheers to season 6. Okay. Hmm, it's good. And it's like he's like, okay. We'll see her later. Yes. No, um, okay. Here's think so. This is the one storyline that I was kind of screaming at the TV a little bit. Now. Everybody knows I love this couple is coupling. I've been driving for very beginning. I've been very for I've been I've been I've been in Jesse from very beginning and everything so my I come from it as a male. So I was watching this and I was like girlfriend. He's trying everything in order which is what men tried To do and they try to get everything in order so they can present themselves in a better way to you for the ask you to marry them. I feel like she was pushy. So yeah a little mad at me if you want to see but I just feel like she's a little pushy and I love them together because I was like girl calm down. He's going to work it all out and then here are some clothes I'm going from a male perspective because but for many this weird thing where like didn't come from the female. Yeah exactly, bye-bye. Thought I wasn't together. I want them together. I want them if they're doing it, but I'm like I see where he's coming from and say he's finding out his ducks in a row and so on. As I healed he'll he'll ask her to marry him. Okay, so okay. So you say pushy I say, yes, she was pushing but it was in a good way. It was only because as a woman Tom she had the intuition that he wasn't being completely honest or in like being a missive in and that way and he did it like he didn't tell her the truth of why he has been so hesitant why he doesn't have money right away, and she knew it. She knew that she would he wasn't telling her everything and so she was just pushing. For him just to get to that point where he can say, what's really bothering. Well man, don't do that. Yeah, but women push the men to do that rather say amen. That's why men and exactly together and Men a man. Yeah, exactly. So to say men, we don't naturally think that way we're fixers. We're just like we're going to take care of stuff and then you should just and that's our fault. You should you should know how he feel you know, ever that's how we guess where we come from and that's what it is. So I saw I felt bad was like you'll get married. Don't worry. He's gonna work is if he's gonna ask you when we really romantic If I can ask you anything, but let him get the stuff in order first. So I but as Hugh, I mean I you know, that's just like so I'm telling you the man. Yeah, I did like the moment where Claire was talking to Abigail and I've only got a you know it and I can't say the exact line but it more so when the conversations like he has to tell you yeah, like he just has to tell you what's on his own while the term is about this was kind of split between both of us there. I got you and me that's make sense. And I said was pushing him in a good way to tell the truth. Just tell what's bothering. This is it lastly said just never had a serious girl for So he's trying yeah. Definitely. I mean he's trying he's trying he's trying so many also for relationship. You have to be open to discuss everything on that part. You know, that part was like well, if you can't talk about this, what else can he not talk about? You know what Jeanette says I'm impressed out for Jesse has come though since he's first time so we're just registered. Yeah that part I wasn't biggest Joseph and either that she went against him but reflux. Came from exactly came from the farias beginnings and it's more so about like my distress for young men. That's another show folks doesn't know herself. But yes my dog, but it's more so like the problem with Jesse starting off like he was just a young man stuck in a terrible position and he just had a lot of maturing to do and we do that. Yeah, probably gallon he was a grown man doing all these dogs. So he doesn't mean he doesn't have more leeway. Right in that sense, but both of these guys Jesse and go they're growing. Yeah and and said again good storyline tho I'll I enjoy the story like this to me again. We have this dialogue. That's what a good storyline does. And again, it's the same issues. I still happen today. So it's like this is all relatable. That's why that's why I love it. No need to be so serious before a big words like words like a good word and she was a little pushy but not with Jack. Elizabeth had to push Jack to have fun again men. Don't do that normally pussy bow shirt back then especially if I won't vary but it's also a woman's job to push the men to do it. And that's your to get it. Yeah, I get it. You see like we all have our roles as Richie it a lot of times and I'm like, you know rest in peace Jack but it is a reciprocal problem process and problem and a lot of relationships. If not all relations. If you just have to be open and honest about them if anything were to work is called. Communication is very true, right? Alright, that's very true. People like to lay love you, Jessie Redemption story. I do too. Yeah, I'm letter into especially like this is a past problem that he now had stealing from a man and now paying him back and knowing that he doesn't have to because it seems like he got his money back but now he's just helping supporting him right further down the line. So that just shows how good Jessie is to keep helping this guy, right? So good on him and told him You do it he knows it at a goodness of his heart that he should so that shows character. Yep grow. And and finally the phone works at the end of those Larry that was hilarious though. We're going to answer it as I can always ring. It's like sighing. Yeah, that's right the phone finally Rings both soured. Everybody was there to beginning and like razors phone to go over didn't work and I was like standing there like, okay. Well answer the phone and she did and it was the president you write down. Resident he vice president of the telephone. Yeah, like wow, I got excited for them. I'm gonna wind up looking until I actually got excited. I was like the phones here the phones he comes here and Abigail should be the one to do the answer first call. See the mayor. Yeah, and and the phone's going to go into a lot of the offices. Like it makes sense that Lee will have an obviously the police that right in town believe the hospital that make sense. Yeah. There's a yeah like it the the Is that need the most communication immediate like emergency communication? So yeah, there you go. Anything else about this episode. I said that you loved well, I'm not going to say it because when people would kind of say a little bit and I'm going to say just over briefly. Okay. First of all, I think the show is doing really well without the main guy that was on the shelf for Five Seasons. I'll say that and it did feel weird the opening. I will match that it was kind of like wow, there's no Daniel listening in the opening. I wrote that day. I was like just like yeah the title credits. It's so so fast and so quick now. It's like wow, he really is gone. It was like the first time first season. He was not in the opening it open with Elizabeth or with with Jerry maren. So I was like, aw, I was like a little bit so I'm going to that's how I feel. I just want to say that out loud and we notice it also we noticed a little bit but but to me the shows off to a great start. I think I think people I think people who think they're not going to watch this season because of Jack being gone should reconsider and watch it. It's really it's going to be read from the We saw so we really good. Yeah a lot of action points, but this episode was a I'm glad they made the choice. I think you agree to make it a light episodes kind of ease into it. You know, we had we had a dark last couple of episodes last like three episodes of season 5 or a hard to yeah hard-hitting. Yes, so it's smart your weather was we were crying earlier side. So this was like exhale. What are you Whitney Houston as exhale weight and exhale And actually just kind of waiting. I got a love Whitney love with me. I'm interested to know how much I just think it was a great choice on the producers the writers to do something lighter. Yeah, it's still important. It repels story got propelled forward still and there's a lot of storylines so never got things to choose from the lot going on. So I'm almost afraid to season to be like everything like tempting 20 things going how to reset every episode. Oh my God. Usually like at least a solid Fordham right? Absolute story. I don't even have a lot. You know, we had lots of is it Sunday? Yeah. Everybody said not yet girl. I like you're doing this happened. But yeah, I think it's me, it's me, it's me. It's me fun season to watch. I'm really excited. Yeah, I'm very excited. Are you excited? I mean we have the whole season to watch. So the a lot more to unfold in front of us and storylines to see where you know, they built a lot of storylines for us to enjoy Throughout the rest of this isn't like so many but all right that brings us into our fun special segment of the day. So the yes, so a big storyline obviously was the telephone and I thought some cool fun 1950s trivia for you because back then yes back then, you know technology is hard to come by. But yeah the first telephone call it was actually took place March 10th. 26 so 39 years even before 1915. So we're in the year like 1950 here. We are. It's kind of crazy this crazy. So the first call back 39 years earlier and the first words ever spoken was of course by Alexander Graham Bell who invented the phone and he made the first call to his assistant Thomas Watson and the famous lines was mr. Watson. Come here. I want to see you. That's what he said in the first Wireless telephone was transmitted. Sound on a beam of light instead of electrical wires like it is now and it's the forefather of the cordless phone which now 80% of today's telephone system that use Fiber Optic Optics. But the first telephone call was so famous that Alexander Graham Bell. He repeated the line back in 1915 noun with the with the first completed transcontinental. So now we're crossing the entire car country with And he says mr. Watson come here. I want you but this time his assistant Watson replied that it would take him a week because he was on the other end of the line in San Francisco. So he made the call from New York and his assistant picked it up in San Francisco. So that was the first successful call across the coast to coast to coast transcontinental. But yeah, but the interesting thing is actually in because the show makes it look like the telephone is brand new, but it's actually been around at this time. It's been around for a while. There were nearly 600,000 phones in Bell's telephone system the number shot up to two point two million phones by 1905 and here the show's already in 1915 and 5.8 Million by 910 in 1915 was transcontinental Vaughn. I love that. Is it I love that. It's a it was Baal. I'm Rebecca today about your I don't even read all that was Bell was a major phone company. Yeah. Well major phone company 82 because American Telephone and Telegraph company. That was formed in 1885. They bought out Bell's telephone company and you know added the T. So that's where a T & T comes in and AT&T still up and going I have AT&T. So I'm a little biased here. But yes some interesting facts about phone and I want to bring up something really quick. I forgot to mention it on the show when she was when this was doing the cans and the string thing with the kids all diversion. So when I was a kid, we had these trees next to my house and my brother and and I would go in the tree these we hate our own tree made our own little house every to take cups with the string and talk to each other classic country. Like red Solo cups know this the white star phone. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I started from we do that. We use that one of your kids on the phone like good works. Okay, you know what it is. It's a softer material so might like dampen the sound but maybe not with you. I don't you know, I didn't mean I can see what a tin can cuz I really can metal reverberating sound better than most. That's an actual kid kid. I mean, this is the 70s. I don't know what I don't know. We didn't go to all that but I saw you the ferry is their appearance and I thought since we finally did I say, oh, yeah, that's me. Learn how to do that too. We get string and we do it and it does work. It's kind of fun. So that's kind of fun thing in there and so hard he's I hope you enjoyed that fun. Trivia like me. I'm just a nerd and I thought that was actually pretty interesting. So maybe we'll do a fun special segment every week that like relates you describes the the technology back then to what it is now known. I loved all their ironic lines that they just throughout the episodes like the phones are going to be everywhere now, right? Exactly. Even the robber was like I want to build a car that goes 60 70 miles per hour was like haha aim higher exactly exactly that's going to happen, but eventually be happy because we like ironically we know. Yeah, we do. It's fun to why it's fun to watch this fun to watch and go back but it's fun to see people like get introduced to in real time. Yes, you know and see how they adapt and grow and At sense, so that's it for our special segment. But we do have a little bit of news laughter. Yeah, so everyone should know the Aaron cricket was at home and family this past week and she was talking about the season 6 as she did a little recap and I'm like where we are now and what's happening Jack's gone, but she's a new mother. The telephone is coming and say it's a great interview with of course right Matheson. And she also did another interview with Entertainment Tonight with former. AfterBuzz host DJ. Yeah, they are a lot of people don't know is you do drugs. Actually, I think she's from your host. Yeah. She's a former after buzzer letting you all know that she and Aaron says after spending five season building up this Romance. Jack and Elizabeth and really fallen for the connection. I think would be pretty jarring for audience to suddenly see Elizabeth with the new guy. So Aaron is addressing if these two new guys that are coming to town if she's going to start a relationship with any of us. She said probably not true. So we're really taking our time with it. And if you watch my interview with in Krakow Becca HFR for Hardy's family reunions, she mentioned that these guys are just friends close. Yeah keeping it friendly. Yeah. And that sense. So yes there she says we're trying to be respectful of the fact that this is a major loss in her life. So it is too soon for her to start a new relationship. I think we can all agree on that. Yes. Yeah. Hi great idea. See you soon. And also Kevin Smith over the weekend had a new film love on the menu with Autumn Reeser. It's all about Gourmet cooking of course because we all know if you fall Kevin's life, he loves cooking. He was cooking last night during the during the few days. I saw that yes, he does. Yeah some some fun stuff. Definitely check those out the cast, you know, they're still working even offseason. All right, moving on to our fun and final segment protection. Predictions have been an eight months. It's the forever. First of all, we saw the free to use. Yes, you did a lot. They they show no, I mean, I'm sure the full season preview after the first episode and it's like so I'll go first cause your predictions are always like spot-on. Nice don't know anything but study television wasn't something. I was just say Rose McIver hard time. Baby, yes, I have that to get pregnant. There's mainly have fertility issues Kelly issues. And I think Jeff is going to find oil on this land. Yeah, but it's like a tulip was like a truant the way he thinks it is like it is like, you know, you said I use maybe if you say I am rich I expose gonna go down with that. It can't be that easy. So I'm going to go down with that. So it's like to have a good break, but I don't think so. All right. Is it draw a TV? Drama fine? Yeah, right like that feeling actually just this Tuesday is too neat like now. I'm rich. I got everything. I was feeling something's gonna go down. This is like too good to be true. Yeah, you see it is sure. I feel that now you girl. Okay. Yeah. Well I said Rose barely have infertility issues, but I would love to see because we know we have the spin-off show that's only available on the Hallmark movies now app. I've been hope calls I would love to see more crossover episodes between those two the two women w. Because then they do play in real time now and that sense and Elizabeth gets a library. So it makes me question like I mean, it's little Sizemore her place in the town. Now. She say she's a teacher so she's at that the school and she has her house and now she has a library. So what more could come about a library? I love libraries. I'm sure they have a library card it stood what I love lovers. So I think something good will come out of that. But also, So I think there's going to be more because we know on in the offseason that they that the casted a few actor male actors to come in for a couple episodes here and there so Elizabeth, not sorry not Elizabeth two main characters Network. I think Abigail it's got relationship. It's too soon again, and I just had a man every single these I know I agree girl. It's ok. Your you are a successful single strong empowering woman. You don't need a man. She doesn't need a man. Yes, I did. They try to build up the storyline with gone last season and like you know, how hard I was against God? Oh, yeah, but I don't think this man is going to work out for Abigail. Yeah, it was either fuck. No is good enough for her. They're not she's the best. You know, she's so good that it's so hard to get to her level. Yes. Yes, I agree. But I think that the men that are going to come in town the gonna cuddle that it's Candle and I'm not sure for the better Alex. Yeah, but I'm definitely definitely that's about it other than more to moments with baby. I can't wait to see how this Baby's gonna say. Maybe Jack really play into Elizabeth's. Yeah, just the whole town is totally instance baby. Yeah, it takes a village and Lycia The Village. Yes. I don't know. Alright great things to come for season 6 and we're going to be here all season talk about it. We do have some guests lined up get up who you're just going to To keep tuning in to watch so James in the meantime, we're gonna be selling it first. Once they figure to the 71 people who watched us today and many you guys are in here and we got to getting involved and I'm so glad that you guys are here with us. And I Wanna Give a shout-out to you little a lie smeller. That's Kristy Miller's daughter who made me his great little me a little mini me I'ma bring it one day and start you guys. It's really beautiful and thank you girl. I love it so much. You can find me. 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Hearties Marisa Serafini & James Lott Jr. discuss When Calls The Heart Season 6. The two discuss the season 6 premiere where the town expects the very first phone call, Bill and Gowan might go into business together by buying the saloon, Laura works for her prosperous career, and Jesse starts building his future with Clara. When Calls the Heart is a Canadian-American television drama series, inspired by Janette Oke's book of the same name from her Canadian West series, and developed by Michael Landon Jr. The series began airing on the Hallmark Channel in the United States on January 11, 2014, and on April 16, 2014 on Super Channel in Canada. The series originally debuted as a two-hour television movie pilot in October 2013, starring Maggie Grace as young teacher Elizabeth Thatcher and Stephen Amell as North West Mounted Police officer Wynn Delaney. In the television series Erin Krakow is cast as her niece, whose name is also Elizabeth Thatcher (played by Poppy Drayton in the movie), and Daniel Lissing plays a Mountie named Jack Thornton, with Lori Loughlin reprising her role as coal mine widow Abigail Stanton. On April 24, 2017, Krakow announced via the Hallmark Channel website that the show would return for a fifth season. The season premiered with a two-hour Christmas special that was broadcast as part of Hallmark's Countdown to Christmas event, and continues for 10 episodes which began February 18, 2018.

I'm Alec lace. Welcome to First Class fatherhood. Welcome everybody to bestow 299 of the podcast. I am happy as always to be here with you. Thank you for stopping by if this is your first time listening to the podcast. Please get over there and bang that subscribe button. You do not want to miss all the action that's coming your way right here on First Class fatherhood. All right, dad's I have got an incredible guest for you guys today Bill Klein is a first-class father who along with his wife Jennifer Arnold star in the Smash Hit reality TV series The Little Couple Bill and Jen. Have been doing this show for over a decade now which focuses on them and their two children. My wife is a huge fan of the show and have to watching the show. I understand why Bill Klein will be here with me in just a few minutes. So please stick around for the interview and I just returned from my trip to Miami for Super Bowl 50 for media day. I posted up a few Clips on Instagram and Facebook. I recorded some excellent sound bites for the podcast. I will be publishing a special edition episode on Friday. Make sure you check it out. I was able to get some great clips from both head coaches. Has Andy Reid and Kyle Shanahan as well as Richard Sherman Patrick Mahomes Jimmy Garoppolo and all the rest. Make sure you lock it in for Friday's episode which will be my Super Bowl 50 for media Day special. And as you can imagine there were a ton of questions being asked to the players about Kobe Bryant more on that coming in. Friday's episode was speaking of Kobe Bryant if you happen to see the image of Kobe posted on Time magazine or the one tweeted out by President Trump, the famous photo was taken by Michael Muller who was my guest here on episode 2 The eighth if you missed my interview with the famous photographer, I highly suggest you flip it back one episode and take a listen and make sure you are following me on my Instagram account at Alec on the school lace. I will be announcing the guests from my 300th episode of first class fatherhood. If you recall back on episode 100, I had the honor of interviewing Ed my let who went from being broke to being worked over 300 million dollars on episode 200. I had the honor of interviewing Medal of Honor recipient Dakota Meyer, and I have got another great guest planned for number 300 All right, and today's podcast interview with Bill Klein was recorded on video. So if you would like to watch today's episode, please subscribe to my YouTube Channel first class fatherhood. The link is in the description of today's podcast episode. And as always guys, please help me spread the word about this podcast every father in your neighborhood or in your contact list. Let them know about the show that celebrates fatherhood and family life fatherhood rocks Family Values Rule and every day is Father's Day right here with me and I'm going to be right back with the star of The Little Couple Bill Klein. 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All right, let's start right here. How many kids do you have? And how old are they? Let's see here. I have two kids. My son. William is nine about to be 10. And my daughter Zoe is 8 years old and about to be 18. Yeah, very cool. What type of sports or activities that he into let's hear Zoe's into She's doing Bollywood dancing stuff like that. And my son will is into football much to the Chagrin of his pediatric trained mother. Yeah, I would imagine. Yeah, do you get involved with coaching at all? You like to enjoy it more from the sidelines, you know, I probably be a bad coach because I don't want my team to win almost at all costs. So I'm guessing I'd be carted off the field and that wouldn't be good. Okay, that's not a perfect father. That's for sure. Our bill if you could please just take a minute here to hit my listeners with a little bit about your background and what you do. Yeah, so I'm so I'm 45 years old my family and I live in st. Petersburg, Florida. I graduated from NYU back in know God long time ago with a degree in biology and did nothing with it. I went into medical device sales and then I started opening up a couple of companies. I do Consulting work. I own a pet store in Houston, and we do a pet product manufacturing now and then we We also participate in a reality television show called The Little Couple. It's been on the TLC for almost 11 years now. Yeah, you've had some incredible success and an awesome Journey here what what led to the decision for you and Jen to decide to adopt and how did the how to becoming a father kind of change your perspective on life, you know, I probably better off answering it reverse. So, you know, it changed everything having kids and I'm grateful that that we made the decision. That were made and that the path that we wound up going down was the one that that we had in front of us. I don't think I could have planned it better if I had, you know, every choice in front of me when we first started off Jennifer and I got engaged and we were immediately interested in adoption. But before we were married, we submitted our information to LPA a community that supports people with skeletal dysplasia little people and We put our names on a list and kind of forgot about it for a while. We knew that it would be a while before I name was halt we weren't even married at the time which we thought was a criteria but turns out it wasn't and it moot point but at the end of the day we went through the process of surrogacy knowing that Jennifer's petite stature might cause additional problems that we want to endure and and so we went through that process of surrogacy. We had a couple of miscarriages. We had one that went a little bit. It further than the other and the other ones. I think they call it a chemical pregnancy note notnot quite a full-blown miscarriage there and and and then you know, I guess Destiny, you know, God put us in the right spot to to receive William. We received a profile from Rainbow Kids. It had Williams info on it when we fell in love immediately. We pursued him aggressively and did the paperwork and all that fun stuff and lo and behold we were you know, Locked and loaded and ready to go to China. Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah in the children are incredibly blessed to have you guys as parents and you know what I know a difficult decision for a lot of parents that choose to adopt as whether or not or when to tell their children that they are adopted. Did you guys have that discussion going into this? And when did you eventually or decide to let them know Well, I you know, of course, I think that's a decision for every family to decide for themselves. I don't know if our decisions right for anyone else. I hope that it's right. Good for us. I'll tell you in 20 years, you know, I think that for our part we wanted to be as straightforward as we could with our kids so that our stories didn't you know get convoluted. It's much easier to tell the truth and to try and give give the kids in a way that that's palatable for them that they can understand it that it doesn't seem confusing or unreasonable or that they feel that any less loved and as long as Going to accomplish those goals I Jennifer and I didn't see any reason to take to keep anything from them. That being said, of course. We try to use a measure of Common Sense and not try and in datum with with too much info. So we take it a little at a time and we talk about it as they grow as they become more Curious and the more Curious they are the more information. We try to glean but of course because of where they're from and the adoption process internationally, there isn't much information we can convey Outside of the fact that their folks love them enough to make sure that they're taken care of. Yeah. Yeah, very cool. And what about as far as discipline goes Bill what type of disciplinary know who's the bigger disciplinarian in the family and does your discipline style different from the way you were brought up with your parents? Yeah, Jennifer punishes me all the time. I would say, you know, I've gotten a bad rap, you know people think that I'm the what they call the fun dad, but but I Overall, I'm probably more of the disciplinarian as well. I think Jennifer sets the ground rules for all of us to follow kind of our moral compass, but I think the reality is is that you know, I get spend a little bit more time with the kids between the time that I get off work and the time that Jennifer gets off work. I have that Gap and that's every day the week. So so it's kind of nice I get that exposure, but I also get to lay down the law so so I'd say I'm probably the Disciplinary. Yeah, and and Bill what kind of what was the Genesis of The Little Couple? How did that all come about and where you on board with it right from the start. So, you know, I guess the the abbreviated version is Jennifer was caught the eye of some of the folks in Good Morning America. They did a little piece on a Saturday morning about little people that were women that were having success in their career and they showed a you know Bit of a dichotomy between people that went into mostly entertainment and people that went into other careers and Jennifer's obviously a good example of someone that you know, since she doesn't have the physical prowess use your head to get ahead in life. And and so they did that and it went well people seem to I guess like the little piece and and then TLC and production company is called us a 2008 and asked if they would follow us to our wedding. Am I good morning America covered both of us at the very end of their piece and mentioned that I was that I'd propose Jennifer not too long ago. And now we're getting married the next next spring. And so that's that the Genesis of it. They asked us if they could follow us to the wedding and we turned them down now to answer your question. No, we weren't completely on board right away. I think Jennifer and I have worked hard to get to where we are even then and Didn't want to diminish our efforts, you know with any anything that might be misconstrued as sensational. Why is first class fatherhood climbing to the top of the Pod casting charts? Listen to it? Dad's like UFC president Dana White legendary New York City radio host Greg tea and Navy SEAL David Rutherford have to say about the podcast. What a cool podcast is one of the coolest ones I've ever did and congrats. Seriously. I mean it what a cool podcast concept and I love it good for you man continued success dude. I love this podcast plan. Your questions are phenomenal growth, but a nominal I am We happy and I can tell you honestly, I'm proud to be a part of it. Thanks for having me on thank you Alec and God bless you and what you're doing keep it up. I think the compiling that this many fathers and this much great information is going to be invaluable in so many ways. So I wish you all the best brother. So let's go dad's we are not babysitters. We are fathers and we're not just father's we are first class father's subscribe to First Class fatherhood today. All right, guys, many of you have hit me up saying that you would like to start your own podcast and I am telling you right now anchor is the easiest way to get this done. Number one. It's free. I have never paid a dime to publish any of my podcasts and their creation tools allow you to record and edit right from your phone or your computer anchored those all the distribution as well. So it can be heard on Spotify Apple podcast and many more also you can make money with no minimum. Listen to Ship its everything you need to make a podcast in one place. What are you waiting for download the free anchor app today or go to Anchored on FM to get started? Yeah and built it just having the cameramen in the producers around as much as they are or have to be to do a show like like yours. Does that make it sometimes difficult for you as a dad and do the kids feel like as though they can get away with more stuff when the cameras are rolling it all that sort of thing. Well, you know, that's an adjustment for the parents not for the kids. I think, you know the kids will find and I'm sure you've figured this out as well. I believe you have four kids, right? Yeah, so, you know, they figure out ways to To manipulate they see ins and opportunities and they take advantage whatever they can and when we were first parents and our kids first came home. We had not a clue not that we have much more of a clue now, by the way, but when we're absolutely clueless, they knew more about how to get away with something that we knew about how to prevent them. So, you know, we didn't know how to punish. We didn't know how to say no. We didn't know how to, you know, stop down from cameras. You know if cameras are rolling and the kids wanted a piece of candy or they throw a tantrum, you know, it was more difficult to say no. I mean we would but then we'd have to stop down because crying kids aren't really fun on camera. And that was all they were doing was, you know, trying to manipulate the situation. So, you know, you have to become a parent. Yeah. Have you ever have you ever looked back at an episode or watch something and saw something in yourself? Is it that where you were like ooh, yeah. I don't really like that necessarily and maybe made a change from it. Yeah. It'd be great if I had a time machine I could go back and look at everything. I did fall in and fix it. You know, I'm sure every dad would love to have that opportunity. Yeah, certainly not perfect. There are plenty of things that you know, I'm sure I could have been more Stern or less Stern or you know not joking around as much or maybe it was slightly above their you know age some of the jokes that I throw out there. Sometimes I forget my audience and that's dangerous. But but yeah. Yeah, you know, I think that you know, as you look back you of course can be very critical of some of the things you do, I think and I hope that you know that we use our common sense to guide us and and you know a little bit of a measure reservation instead of just leaving before we look and normally things work out. Yeah. What do you said earlier earlier on their bills saying that you had a degree in biology that you never use and one thing that I speak about I drive over on the weekends a lot and I drive a lot of college kids or After graduating college kids that aren't using the degrees but they're buried in debt and I bring out a lot of entrepreneurs you're a successful entrepreneur yourself. So do you feel as though college is necessary for the kids to succeed in today's world, you know, of course my opinion is just mine, but I'd say yeah, I think some sort of Education, you know after high school is valuable. You know, that being said there are plenty of people that enjoy and are proficient at Trades that don't require to you know, four years of school and do better learn more have a happier life and you know and love what they do when they wake up in the morning. So I think for me it made sense to go to college. I think that for most people it's good to have some exposure to the world before you're actually accountable in it, but I don't know that college necessarily is a roadmap to a successful career unless you have a fantastic guy. Yeah, very well said and and how about as far as technology bill? It's a challenge for all of us parents. We're all competing with the technology the iPhones and the video games and stuff like that. How do you kind of handle or monitor? All that stuff with your kids? Well, we have we have rules about screen time. We have rules about a whole bunch of stuff. You know, I think structure is something that kids crave and they work well within that framework. So I think moderation is key, you know kids are using iPads and And Max and computers at school. I think it's unreasonable to think that they're going to disconnect completely when they come home. But at the same time it's a matter of what the content is and how long they're exposed to it. And you know, then you get into the you know, the medical side fortunately. I live with our physician so she gives us good advice and and it has a lot to do with the time of day that you using the screen. So, you know to not watch television or be playing with video games, you know the hour before bed. Helps your mind relax that you can get some restful sleep. And so we try to put all that together and come up with a plan that works for everybody. Yeah, very cool. And how about as far as the future of the show here? You guys got more seasons planned coming on what's coming up next for you guys? That's all secret sauce. I couldn't tell you if I knew well what about yourself? You got any kind of plans for the for the year coming up here any kind of books or anything like that? We could be looking forward to well, we got a lot of stuff that were working on. You know, we have some stuff professionally that And I are working on and then personally, you know where he's messing around with the idea of you know, what should we do next as far as but we're enjoying all the stuff that we've been dabbling in between, you know speaking and you know writing things for for either for advocacy. We do a lot of that sort of work for for folks with disabilities. Jennifer's always on the road for Stuff related to Children's Health Care. So we have a lot of those types of projects that we keep involved in and then of course, you know got TV The nine to fiver and and a couple of kids so not to mention the two dogs two goldfish and recently passed away hamster. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry to hear that. Yeah, we buried a parakeet and hamster ourself here. One thing that I struggle with is sorting out all the pictures. I guess dad's, you know, we love to take pictures of all of our you know, our family is stuff, but it's like it's so hard now for me. I find it to categorize everything you have the old school camera like you're saying you're aware or do you use the phone for? Of your day-to-day pictures. No. No, I also have I have a t1i that tells you how old and how I like to keep Antiquated equipment. But yeah, I haven't t1i that I use as well. You know, what something I took to India over the summer. That is absolutely awesome. It's the osmo. It's a little handheld camera with its got a gimbal on it. So it helps people that are poor photographers like myself to look much better not saying it's professional quality, but it's a heck of a lot of fun and it gets Of looks when you're playing with it too, you know, I use the the iPhone 4, you know my Quick Picks. And of course the osmo is great for the video because it's a pretty interesting handheld that you can do all of the operation from for you from your thumb and then you know most of the time I just I'm lucky because you know, the things that we do that I wouldn't say all of the things that we do have been on television that are you know fun times but for most of the fun In times that we've had over the past six or seven years we have had cameras around for for a bunch of them and so not only do I get to get good video, but I'm actually in it which is look dad. So yeah, it's pretty cool. Yeah, you have a great treasure Trove of video to go back through for sure. And what about let last thing here Bill. What about for the parents out there that are considering adoption or just at the onset of adoption? What kind of advice would you give to those parents adoption is? It's the exact same thing. It's Everything that you would hope for in a child and experience of becoming a parent and more. It's a of course, it's got its challenges. And if anybody tells you that raising a child no matter what way they come into the world is easy. They're lying to you and nothing is predictable. But but they are amazing. They will brighten your world and I implore you to do it and do it more often. Yeah, very well said I love the message. This has been an honor for me. I got to say Bill Klein, you're a first-class father all the way and thank you so much for give me a few minutes of your time on First Class fatherhood. And next week sir. Thank you having Back to wrap things up here on First Class fatherhood. I got to give a special. Thank you. Once again to Bill Klein for giving me a few minutes of his time here. It was so cool. Please hit me up on Twitter guys or drop me that DM on Instagram. Let me know what you thought about today's episode. I always love to read the feedback. Make sure you lock it in at the first last fatherhood for Friday's special edition Super Bowl 50 for media Day special. I will be playing all of the Clips in the highlights from my trip down to Miami right at the viewed the players and the coaches about fatherhood and family life. Life is some great content there. Be sure you check it out. Make sure you follow me on Instagram at Alec on the school lace where I will be announcing guests for next week's 300th episode of the podcast. That's all I got for you guys today. I'm Alec lace. Thank you for listening to first place 500. Please remember guys, we are not babysitters. We are fathers and we're not just father's we are first class fathers.

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Hello and welcome back to another episode of I'm coming out the podcast were well-known people. Tell me Johnny Harvey. They're coming out stories. And today's guest is Andy West Andy hit the headlines in 2015 when he resigned from his role as a BBC journalist. It's in protest at the organization's nomination of the openly homophobic and misogynistic boxer Tyson Fury for their sports Personality of the Year Awards. He subsequently became a contestant on the 17th series of big brother and finished fourth overall. He now appears regularly on our screens on shows such as this morning Jeremy Vine Show on Channel 5. And of course locking horns with Pierce Morgan on Good Morning Britain. He is also a highly acclaimed journalist. He's written For the independent the gay times and Gracia and is currently working on his debut novel. I went to his London flat and after Andy's lengthy washing machine delivery and my technical issues. We finally settled down to chat about why and he felt he had no option but to resign from the BBC the homophobia he experience working in the media is sheltered upbringing and he's desperate bids to fit in at school the confusion. He felt over a sexuality and The experience that made him realize he was gay and that he had to come out and why he still isn't proud to be a gay man, and he is an incredibly principles individual and I think he secretly likes to be a bit controversial. So I'm really glad I got the chance to interview them and have them on the podcast. Please leave a rating or review on iTunes is it really helps me? It helps other people to discover the podcast. I hope you enjoy this episode. Thanks for listening. And here it is. So I'm the all start with what you are arguably best known for you left your job with the bead in early 2016 because of your opposition to Tyson Fury's nomination for sports person of the year award. So as most of us already know Tyson, he's got quite the reputation for being very homophobic and logistic. So how do you feel about that whole situation today and how the BBC handled it? Well not to not to split hairs, but it was the sports Personality of the Year Awards and I think it's always really important to understand what what the objection was at the time not just on my part on the part of many many tens if not hundreds of thousands of people who are signing petitions and it was in the national press it was on the front pages big deal partly because the newspapers love bashing the BBC. That's a Side Story. The point was it wasn't an award saying this guy is a great Sports person because you know a sports person can be a bigot you don't you know, bigotry doesn't make you a slower Runner. So that's fine. It was about saying he was a sports Personality of the year and those Awards with the BBC have always been about a certain degree of heroism and saying this person is someone that kids and we should all look up to it's putting someone in pedestal, you know. Not just for how good they are punching people or running away from things. So that was my that was my issue with it as a guy who was one of the first if not the first openly gay Newsreaders on TV in a part of the United Kingdom. That is so endemically homophobic. I just I thought how can I how can I not say something about this not to everyone but just to the people I know and to the people who Me reading the news. So even though you weren't involved in the situation directly. Obviously, did you feel in some way complicit because you are part of the organization. You also represent its values will the awards were being hosted in Belfast that year. So it was particularly relevant, you know to that part of the world and there's this, you know, huge focus on Northern Ireland and it was really bad timing for the BBC and the BBC clearly was very uncomfortable about the Situation in which they had found themselves. They had not nominated him directly. It was done by a kind of third party group of Judges, but the BBC had influence over the over the judging. I think if one of the people nominated had said something that was wildly anti-semitic or really horribly racist for instance or it done a Glenn bottle and said that disabled people were being punished. I do think they would have they would have taken back the nomination but this double standard with it's slightly, okay? You homophobic not just in the BBC. I think that Indian so tell Lacey. Yeah, it's kind of slightly. Okay, because gays are all a bit Mone aren't they seems to be the attitude that I've come across in my career in the media so many many times. Oh, it's just the gays moaning again. I didn't feel that way. When I've been working for four years in a part of the United Kingdom where homophobia was a really big issue where it was Rife in the political sphere where I was seeing it at work and when I was seeing it when I was out reporting on stories when I was seeing people spraying KKK and burning down gay people's houses saying get out of our community you're dirty and then to have someone who shares those views being put on a pedestal for me. I found very uncomfortable. Yes like you on a personal level, but I'd seen a lot of homophobia and I guess I had bitten my tongue a few times as a producer and a journalist, but it felt bigger than that because I haven't really talked about this before but I would very regularly. If not on a daily basis, then certainly three or four times a week at messages from people in rural parts and also cities and towns in Northern Ireland say from old from elderly people. Not just young people. It means something to me that when I switch on the news, you're openly gay and I see on Facebook that you're out with your boyfriend in the gay club because I've never been able to be openly gay because I'm scared because I will lose my family my friends my farm. No, my business whatever it might be that's still there. A lot of people seem to think because so much progress has made that doesn't exist anymore. But there's still plenty of examples of people who are living like that. But so did you feel as working as part of a major broadcaster? Did you find that restrictive because that's something I always find strange looking at a lot of individuals and TV presenters. It's as if they're not allowed to have any sort of a any sort of a opinion on anything they have to be very objective. They have to be stay right in the middle. Well, they do on certain things. They don't on other things. I think quite rightly a black presenter would be able to speak publicly about there not being enough black presenters the BBC and they think should be supported in doing that. And I think they would be I think we saw with women talking about gender inequality when it came to pay the BBC female. Says very high-profile female presenters were getting an awful lot of bad press for the BBC by talking to journalists about their pay which is fundamentally breaking their contracts and they were pretty much allowed to do that. I struggle to see the difference. And of course, it's relevant at the moment. I do think it's very important to be objective as a journalist and arguably the Tyson Fury situation was a big news story at the time. So me giving my opinion on it, you know broke that Code of objectivity but I think as a journalist. Sometimes you come up against these situations where you're faced with something that is so visceral and integral to your own DNA as a human being that actually your responsibility as a journalist to be true to your principles and tell the truth is more important than your responsibility to pretend. You're a robot with no opinions because who fucking believes that anyway who He watches the news and thinks you Edwards doesn't have opinions. And in fact in the days of you know, now Piers Morgan and Jeremy Vine and presenters. Who are I see Jeremy Vine isn't as opinionated as Piers Morgan book presented her a little bit more open about what they think about things that affect them. I just I feel like that's a rule for some issues like women's pay and Racial equality doesn't seem to be a rule for BTW issues, but did you experience a lot of homophobia yourself of whilst? You were working in the media? I I was when I was editor of wife and FM which was then gcapp now global. I used to read bulletins and the station manager would think it was funny doing a kind of John Inman very campy dance. I remember her past the window, you know, the I'm free really leave me here. How long ago was that - oh that was Maybe eight or nine years ago 10 years ago, but not long ago at all long ago and it wasn't you know what he was like a it was a sporty bloke type and he respected me as a journalist and he liked me and I don't think it held but he'll be back in my career. But he was just one of those guys who had that Men Behaving Badly way about him. So actually that was homophobia, but it didn't it actually didn't bother. Me because I think there are so many more important things to be offended by then. Just you know people who are just a bit dense, but then the darker type of homophobia is when I was working at a network news room for a much bigger company and there were people who are working there who were hiding the fact they were gay from the editor because it was an unspoken understanding that he was homophobic person and I I suppose as a But was come didn't hide it at all. I would say morning meetings while my boyfriend thinks this and I went here with my you know, and I've and issues will come up about LGBT stuff and I'll give my opinion and I was I was not promoted and I was not respected and I was not trusted and I was not supported and he was a pretty miserable year there and I ended up having to leave. That's just shocking that exists in the media though. It's and I always think of the media as being really relaxed and really liberal even within new circles. Yeah, is it shocking? I don't know. Yeah, I guess so I guess so there's I mean, there's been a very kind of machismo Macho thing in the media for a long time and I think particularly men of a certain age but also women of a certain age in the media are how would I put it very impatient increasingly privately so Because they have to be but I think the word is impatient with LGBT stories. Why is that because they think they're boring and they're not interested and they think it's just gay guys bitching and moaning. I've had editors say it's you know, it's one of those things because who'd be stupid enough really to come out and say something like that, but it's a kind of in a meeting when you say well what about this story about like before the gay marriage thing really was a political possibility of Course there was a great push for it and they were people talking about it and talking against it and it was an interesting debate. But you know, these these stories would come up and they would be in the papers and then you'd sit there in the morning meeting whatever Network it might be whatever company it might be and you would you would say let's do this and there'll be a slight kind of I roll and that's just it's just that old thing. So taking you right back now to the very beginning, so can you tell me a bit about your background and where you grew up? Yes, I think I had the unfortunate start of having just one of them treating most Bland upbringings that you can possibly imagine. I think I wish I had I wish I had some true adversity. That's a good complaint to have. Yes it is and I'm very lucky I had out. I had a roof over my head. I was fed. I wasn't bought lovely clothes, but I wasn't bought secondhand. Plates I we didn't go on Posh holidays, but we went on Caravan holidays that were perfectly nice. My parents were teachers. I lived in a semi-detached house in a very suburban area just outside Milton Keynes and I went to comprehensive primary school and secondary school and it was all it was all very safe. I love you know, I love my parents they split when I was 16. That was the first sense of any kind of drama I suppose in my life, but other than that, it was all very stable, but I slightly envy people who have Either very privileged upbringing I would have loved to have been a rich kid goes private school or very terrible upbringings that kind of forged them into a diamond ready to be polished. I was like, I was like kind of a half filled water balloon going home. Here. I am it doesn't always work. That way does a most rich kids go off the rails and they've nothing to prove. No, they don't most rich kids get filthy. Rich and marry other rich kids and talk about how hard life is and who were God I could only afford three ponies and then they'll Of talking if you if you I live in a part of London where if you go out to a bar, there are so many rich kids pretending they're not rich but loving the fact everyone knows they're rich but most relevant bitter never think that and put a lot of rich kids though. They don't they're just very they were very narrow view of life. There are no it's not very do isn't that wonderful. They don't know hardship nor will they ever how do I stayed at the BBC and not can I clarify that a little bit? See what? Yeah, go ahead yet. I think the thing I didn't get to this really important for people to understand about what happened to me at the BBC as I didn't I didn't do because I was thinking of myself as the Gandhi of gay people. I wasn't doing it because I wanted to make some big hoo-ha her about it. I've I've had people say we you know, you just wanted the attention you did it for attention. I mean, trust me. I just put something on my own personal Facebook page. I didn't go to the papers. I forgot that half my friends on my Facebook page. Were journalists so that was the stupid thing I did and then when the ball started rolling and I was suspended. I then got to a point. That's when I made a decision. Do I stand by my principles? Do I stand by what I said or do I do what I'm being encouraged to do which is take a slap and say I'm sorry and shut up and wait for people to forget and from the BBC's point of view completely understand why they did it if I was head of HR at the BBC, I do the same thing. Really? Yeah, but I'd broken my contracts and I've brought a load of exceptional circumstances. Answers, I brought a lot of shit to the BBC's door. I gave them more trouble. So yeah, I just decided to that. So I made the decision stand by my principles and I've never regretted it but going back to what we were saying before the only element of it. I do slightly regret I guess is that I was in I was on a good career trajectory at that point. It was quite a straight line, you know, you're a reporter at the BBC. I would have been gone to network. And then maybe I'll have got shifting BBC breakfast or something or I'd have been one of Guys in the scarves outside Parliament or it was quite clear because as soon as I stepped outside of that it then became, you know much less direct and predictable. So, can you remember when you first became aware of what it even meant to be gauged you have one definitive moment. I remember getting changed for PE when I was about five or six and the girls went into one bit of the class and the boys had to go into the other bit of the class. I remember Looking at the other boys and I suppose just being at the same time very interested and curious and at the same time really uncomfortable and really out of place and wanting to just hide and I had no idea why that was I wasn't precocious at all. I really I had no sexual interactions with anyone on any level until I was about 18 19 it universe. See there's a video of me at school when I was 12 years old and I was proper like Kenneth Williams camp and I watched that but I hadn't watched it for years. I watched it back and it just hit me like a ton of bricks was like wow, you were really in that really Natural State when you weren't aware of how you were behaving and no one had told you anything was wrong with it. You were really Camp. So what happened between then and now I mean I can be Kemp now, but I'm not well, what was that video? Absolutely? You're at school. Was that a school play? I was running across the field. And then I was we were collecting ants I think of a tree in Petri dishes to draw count how many there were whatever it was and it was being filmed as a Keepsake for the kids in the last year of primary school and I felt really sorry for this little boy because I almost felt like I had shut him away somewhere. I thought that's not how you behave now why it's not testosterone. Is it learned behavior? Did I teach myself as a teenager? Stop moving like that to stop talking like that to stop making those facial expressions. Where did that little boy go because he should have grown into a proud Camp gorgeous beautiful, man, and he didn't he grew into possibly a slightly fake approximation of a straight guy. It's like unconcerned unconscious conditioning as yeah. I between primary school and secondary school. I was I was bullied in primary school, but not kicked. I was ignored which I found profoundly painful and I think I'm sure is part of the reason why I get Why I get myself into debates publicly now perhaps it's because I was ignored throughout my childhood. And so when people don't listen to my opinion I get quite I kind of guessed that when I was read it doing your research. Yeah. Yeah. I like where does this outspoken this come from? Where does it come from? Well, I eat genuinely. I wasn't I remember sitting at school and during class times just asking the the boys next to me what they did at the weekend or you know, pretending I couldn't spell something asking them whether they could help or just something so that one of them were taught. And they literally would not they were blank me completely and was it homophobic bullying when you were in primary school? No, I just think I was in it. I suppose saw myself as being much more akin to the girls, but was scared of them and they weren't much more keen on me. I think I was picked on at school partly because I was I just didn't fit in and actually probably didn't make enough effort to fit in but between primary school and secondary school I decided right? Okay, I know. Now know why the popular kids are popular and I know why I was unpopular and I'm not joking. I wrote this going to make me sound like a sociopath but I wrote down I drew a picture. I remember I drew a line down the middle of a piece of A4 paper and I wrote on one side the reasons why I was unpopular and on the other side the reasons why the kids were popular and in the six or seven weeks some holiday. I made sure that I planned and prepared to tick the right boxes and not to take the wrong one. So I made sure I got detention in the first week. I made sure I swore I made sure I didn't have a cardboard collar on my shirt. So that's quite a thorough reinvention. It's a nurse yet weird and I have to say to my eternal credit massively fucked it up quite quickly. I couldn't maintain it which is interesting about. You know, when I went into the Big Brother house people say, oh well, you know, do you behave yourself there? Are you being yourself or you being Being a kind of a stage-managed version of yourself. You can't not be yourself for a long period of time the sad thing about it was it worked it worked. I actually became one of the most popular kids in my class and then as I became more myself I sank down into The Inbetweeners ranks where I probably probably belonged I suppose it's like a mini class systems that were talking about that again. Here's yeah and so did you have when did you realize then that you were definitely gay? It's a really hard question to answer probably University. I think I was much later on then. I realized I was I realized I was I realized I wanted to have sex with guys very early on I think when I started going through puberty and you start doing things that boys do when you start going through puberty. Actually at first it wasn't it wasn't boys. So I was thinking about because I don't think I'd realized that was even an option somehow some so at some point, I think I remember I do remember watching Queer as Folk, which is such a seminal moment for so many guys 20 years ago this year. I can't believe it in Charlie Hunnam is just so gorgeous now but was just absolute. I mean human Zack from Saved by the Bell just between them. I think they were part of my Awakening for me realizing that I was gay and coming to terms of being gay was the moment. I stopped thinking it was something wrong with me and started thinking it was something fun, too. Explore and enjoy so there was quite a long period of confusion there I was there. Oh, yeah. Did you have girlfriends in secondary school? I tried I tried to have girlfriends and second school. I was so petrified of not being able to get an erection or not being able to have sex. I thought that if you if you were normal, you would look at someone you fancied and Going and I thought there was something wrong with me that it didn't happen like that and it wasn't until University when I was 18 or 19 that I spoke to a very close friend of mine because I thought there was something wrong with me that he said no no. No, you don't have to have an erection before you take the clothes off. You can get one while things are happening. I didn't know that I was an 18 year old 19 year old man walking around thinking that I was broken because Because as soon as I looked at, you know, let's say if I fancied you Johnny and obviously you're gorgeous man. And I do you know, I gent I genuinely thought Johnny that I would look at you as an attractive man, and I should instantly have an erection. Where did you get that idea from? I don't know. I think I got it from other boys talking crap. I think I got it from other boys talking crap bravado. Oh, I see, you know, I yeah showing off their erections in their trousers because they just looked at Miss and she's got big tits and I was got you kind of straight boy cry. That they talked and I believe I was stupid enough to believe it and it completely ruined all sexual confidence. I had at University it took me I took me quite a few attempts before I was able to enjoy any kind of sexual experience with someone because I was just petrified I heard I had been on a date with a girl like three or four nights before this was in university. This is it Universe. Yeah, and I've been on a date with a girl and I'd go I'm back to her flat having a basically a panic attack because I knew she wanted me to have sex with her and she invited me back for coffee and the first sign she had that she really wasn't with the right kind of guy was that I actually wanted coffee just to delay it we ended up going to her bedroom and Honestly, I could have I just almost passed out. I was so scared. I can't I can't quite put it into words how frightened I was there are times in my life. I've stood with pellets and Bricks flying past my head in riots. I've I've pulled a massive Whitey on very strong cannabis in the middle of a jungle thinking I'm going to die, but it was so scared. We ended up watching role does the widgets on VHS. So basically I was absolutely petrified and I ended up attending our football practice at four o'clock in the morning told my mom I was gay and then I went and so that's what You told your mom the next day. I walked home from that girl's flat. So ashamed and embarrassed that this this poor girl that had to lie next to me this pathetic. Prick next next to her really hard on yourself and no I well I was at the time and I look back and I think just want to slap me because why was I putting myself in that situation? I was putting myself in that situation because I thought at the time that if I could have sex with a girl then I wouldn't have to be gay but it's normal to have that period of experimentation isn't this a lot of gay guys. I know had girlfriends during University as well. Sure. Yeah. I was I'm quite envious at their I mean the first time Had sex with a woman who was two years ago. Oh, yes, I read about us. Yes, and it was great. As soon as you take the fear out of the situation, you're suddenly better at it was the same with when I was reading the news when you're I'm sure if you're a sports person. I'm really not fear is the enemy of success and it's the same with sex. And so how did it go the next day coming out to your mother? Well, yeah. I walked I walked home in tears and I thought I cannot live like this and actually credit to my 19 year old self, even though I took A while to get there. I am the kind of person when I realized something. There's no debate. There's no waiting. I just do it. There's no fucking about what's the point? Why waste time so I thought okay. That's it. You've got was your best shot ever a trying to have sex with the girl clearly never gonna happen. So you are now just you are gay and I went home and I said, I looked at myself in the mirror above above the sink of the end of my bed in this tiny little room in Halls and I just said for the first time ever out loud. I said it in my head as abuse, but for the first time ever out loud I said you're gay and it's suddenly didn't sound so bad anymore the phone rang and it was my mum now that's not a massive coincidence. Right? So don't believe in coincidences either but I don't believe in it's meant to be it's meant to happen, you know fate she would call me like all the time. So it wasn't it wasn't a big deal that she called me Benny what she did at the perfect moment and I got like half way through the Telling her that I was gay and I couldn't finish the sentence not because I didn't want to because I was crying too much. I'm quite sad that a crime very easily. That's good. Get out your feelings. Yes, I guess so, you know if you're standing in a prime mock sobbing. It's all a bit embarrassing, but I she thought I was going to tell her that I had cancer or something. So your mother had no clue. She had no clue blesser. And when I told her she was just very relieved and she drove to Preston from Milton Keynes the next Morning to give me a hug and tell me that she loved me and it was very young. You know, I get kind of emotional talking about it. Now. It was a very special moment to share with my mom and I knew from boyfriends in Preston that it wasn't that easy. So so you had a positive coming out experience your family then I realized how lucky I was and my dad was very accepting of it to everyone was everyone was accepting that I remember it. You know, my two closest friends at Uni. Two big kind of two big sporty Lads in and fill who I'm still very very close with went up to them to say I've got something to tell you and I'm a bit nervous about it. We both know you're not going to tell us you're a fucking gay. I because I was the one who was always going on dates with girls. I mean, they thought I was having a really busy sex life. They didn't know that I wasn't actually able to consummate any of these relationships. They thought I was quite busy now. I'll go you would have told you go very good blokey accent. Yes. I've been working on it for years as I said all three. Through my teenage years. I perfected it and I said yes, I am telling you I'm and how did they respond there? Just give me a hug bought me a point and thought it was hilarious and that's that's largely been my that's largely been my experience. I don't think I've and so now all of them had anyone be react badly when I told them and gay maybe some low-level homophobia as I've said here and there at work but never confirmed so I have been very lucky very lucky. So overall quite a happy coming out story. Yeah, I mean for me personally the difficult part was me being anti Andy the gay guy not other people and I think that's so often the case. It's very easy to say. Oh, you know homophobic parents are terrible or homophobic cultures are terrible, but actually very often the worst and most aggressive homophobes are queer people and you see that played out a lot in social media and reactions to some of the Articles I've written and you know this debate around what what is gay and what isn't gay and how are gay people supposed to behave and what a gay people allowed to call each other now is obviously a thing. I mean I'm using the word gay and there'll be people say I should be talking about then say well actually under your probably queer or your by or if it's very confusing and I think that confusion partly comes from this This lived experience where you've grown up from an early age trying to work out who the fuck you are. And whether you even like it it's from growing up in such a homophobic Society. It's really hard not to internalize some of that yourself. Yeah. I mean, I look back and I think how homophobic was the society that I grew up and I suppose it was did you not hear loads of gay slurs in school? Yes, I guess I did I guess I did. Yeah. I mean I was head boy it to use Dell school I went to and they called me give head boy. So they obviously knew something. I didn't know but that was not that was not a compliment. No, say yes, I suppose I grew up I suppose I did grow up surrounded by homophobia in a way, but but I didn't grow up with a family who were telling me that it was wrong to be gay. I didn't grow up in a world where gay people were openly abused. It was it was a kind of a low level thing but it does poison. It does poison where you see yourself I suppose I put it this way the very fact that I thought there was something wrong. You know that that that tells you that actually there wasn't something wrong with me but there's something wrong with the world in which all grown up and what advice would you have now for your younger self who are struggling with your sexuality or for anyone out there who is trying to come to terms with us? I think actually people overcomplicate sexuality and I think one of the dangers now is that people are really overcomplicating it adding so many words so much terminology to try and describe something. That is really who do you want to have sex with it's not actually complicated nor is it the most interesting thing about you? So I think I'd say to myself she'll get over it a little bit just Your guy you like penises, that's kind of it. I had a guy talking you as a young lad and he was saying I don't know whether I'm gay or whether I'm queer with run by whether I'm panning and all these different things. And I just said to him well if you're walking down the street, but you're on an underground tube Carriage. Are you checking out the boys and girls instead older boys? We are gaining he's up and he's like, yeah, but but but but but I said no no, you're just gay. I mean and who gives a fuck who cares? Who cares how many letters behind your name? It doesn't matter you this this self-indulgence I think is dangerous because actually other people don't really care what extraordinarily A kaleidoscopic definition you give your sexuality they don't care. So don't let yourself care too much call yourself, whatever you want. But just get on with your life if you want to have sex with someone as long as they're an adult and consenting and it's fun just do it and focus on focus on Shining a light on your talents your creativity your charity your kindness your intelligence your education. The help that you give other human beings, these are the things that are interested. It's a lot of people still struggle with identifying as gay. Isn't that part of the problem? I think what I think teenagers always want to reinvent and always want to do something different. So right now it's quite different to come out early and be openly gay and for everyone to liking for it to be cool and my goodness do I applaud that? I think that's very healthy the slight downside of that is also that they also that they're inventing new terminology that I think is unnecessary and confusing that you know, I did it. I did an interview with someone a while ago and I wrote it up and I described them as gay and then they sent quite an aggressive angry email afterwards saying I'm actually not gay. I'm queer. And I really felt like replying who gives a fuck really does it matter. Is that what matters to you in your life? Is that the most important thing that you come across when it's when we're talking about LGBT Prejudice. There's so many things that the people should be angry about. That is not one of them. And how did they differentiate between the two labels? Oh, I don't know. I didn't explain that. I didn't say why I wasn't interested frankly because it's not offensive to get something like that wrong. If someone decides arbitrarily frankly that a particular semantics is right to describe something that no human being can possibly describe because because love and relationships sexual attraction are such amorphous enigmatic things. You cannot simply give words to that. So stop trying and stop being offended when people get it a bit wrong. I think it's so it's so worthy and so self-indulgent and so lecturing at the moment that it actually stops people. It stops people talking properly and having The Bravery in the confidence Irene articles where people have attacked me and said that I'm homophobic which is just so offensive to me based on some ridiculous. Oh I've written I right, you know, You're right. There's something quite fun about poking the Bear right? And that's not sexual thing. There's aren't my thing apparently otters. I don't know. There's something quite fun about a group of people who are very worthy and Superior and just poking them a bit and winding them up. I have to there's part of my personality. I get I get a bit of joy out of that only ever do if I really mean mean what I say, I mean, I wrote something about an it's very misogynistic the way that game. Talk about women's bodies for instance and it is I find it disgusting the way a lot of gay men talk about women's genitalia and the way women smell digging. I wrote a piece about that and the abuse I got back the abuse. I got back from writing about enjoying having sex with a woman one time. You're not gay. I think there was a Hollywood actress. I can't remember her name who spoke out about that as well. Yeah. She's misogyny. Yeah. She said that she believes a lot of gay men were incredibly misogynistic and in your introductory. Big Brother VT. I remember you said you weren't proud to be a gay man. You were just a gay man people needed to get over themselves and move on with their lives. So that was three years ago, but what did you mean by that? And do you still stand by it? Yeah, why would I not stand by that? I thought you might have changed your mind. I thought you were in the spotlight at the time and you wanted to say something dramatic. Like I said earlier, I I like saying things that challenge people but I always mean what I say don't confuse that with me being a Katie Hopkins or one of those counties. You just says things for effect. I don't why it's a why what did you mean by it? Exactly? Did I wasn't proud to be gay? Yeah, I don't I don't understand why I don't understand why people find that controversial statement being gay is not an achievement. You can be proud that you can be proud that you've come out as gay. You can be proud that you have made sacrifices to stand up for being gay be proud of those things their achievements. I mean if I said to you, I'm really proud that I'm six foot one and a half you'd think I was a dickhead if I says you are re sexuality. Maybe it's not a trick as soon as she starts saying I'm proud to be gay you are buying into the idea. That being gay is some kind of choice because otherwise what are you proud of like I'm not proud that my hair is going gray. It just is I'm not proud that I'm gay because I am it's not a point of Pride being gay. He just are and you should be comfortable with it and you should never ever feel as though you have to hide it. You should never have to apologize for it. It you should talk about it and you should fight for other people to be able to talk about it and to be comfortable with it but to have pride if that's if that if that's your achievement in life than you need to try harder. So you only associate Pride with the accomplishment of certain skills. I think if you should be I think you should be proud of things that you have you built and you've made and u-shaped and you've influenced, you know, when I write things in people say well. And you know, they try and lecture me on on my opinions on LGBT issues. I think well when it comes to LGBT stuff, I have a lot to be proud of I've helped young people to come out and I supported them and still do where I can I've helped gay people and work places to find agency and to be more assertive. I have sacrificed my entire career to stand up for what I believe in with. EBT people and that's what I'm proud of and someone comes to me on Twitter or somewhere says that they're they're angry at me because I said they're not allowed to be proud of the fact. They are something they would have been anyway, okay, so you think just being born gay isn't enough being born gay is great and be open about being gate. That's something to be proud of right be proud of the fact that you have realized that you're gay or queer or you know, and you have done something brave and you have been yourself even when Society doesn't necessarily want you to be that be proud of that just isn't that what being gay in compasses there's a difference. I think there's a difference look at you get in a way. It's semantics but I think it seems I think it's I think it's relevant and this is what I was trying to get across is that there's a difference between saying I am proud openly gay man and saying I'm proud of the fact I'm getting to know me. Okay would I expect My two friends from University earlier to say they're really proud that they're straight. No that's weird being gay is a point of difference and that can be quite exciting and it can make you feel quite exotic and I but I think I think that way lies Madness and really shallow vanity to to take pride in just simply the fact you're gay. It's just you it's who you are and the sooner you realize that being gay is just who you are and stop trying to use it as a medal. Probably you'll start finding other things that are much more interesting to other people and much more worthy of your pride. Andy it has been great chatting to you plenty of food for thought and I'm looking forward to seeing more of you on TV in the for many more years to come and to the novel as well. So Andy, thank you. Thank you very much. It's been a real pleasure.

People resign from their jobs all the time. But when Andy West left his job as a BBC journalist in 2015 it made headline news. Because his was no ordinary resignation; it was in response to Tyson Fury’s nomination for the BBC Sports Personality of the Year awards (Tyson is widely known to be homophobic and misogynistic). Andy subsequently became a contestant on Big Brother the following year and finished fourth overall. He now pops up regularly on our TV screens on show such as This Morning, Jeremy Vine’s show on Channel 5 and of course locking horns with Piers Morgan on Good Morning Britain. He is also a highly acclaimed journalist and has written for the Independent, the Gay Times, Grazia and is currently working on his debut novel. When I met up with Andy in London we were faced with a number of challenges (his lengthy washing machine delivery and my technical issues to be precise) but eventually we got down to doing the interview and we chatted about; why Andy felt he had no option but to resign from the BBC,  the sacrifices he has had to make for his principles, the homophobia he experienced whilst working in the media,  his sheltered upbringing,  Andy’s desperate bids to fit in at school,  the confusion he felt over his sexuality,  the experience that made him realise he was gay and that he had to come out,  and why he says he still isn’t proud to be a gay man. Links Twitter @andywesttv Instagram @realandywest

Hey everyone, and welcome back to practically zero waste a podcast for making zero waste living as practical as possible. Welcome to episode 27. Oh, yeah, if you're enjoying this podcast, I want to invite you all again to leave a rating or review on Apple podcast. You just scroll down to the bottom and there it is. I love hearing what you think of the show and it helps me to get a sense of the kinds of content. People are most interested in so keep those reviews coming the podcast has an email address. So if you want to ask a question or just say hello, that's practically zero waste at gmail.com. And of course if you're interested in Supporting our little ad free podcast. You can go to Anchor dot f m / practically zero waste and hit the support button. I am so excited to share today's episode with you and interview with Dina Stein the founder of bear Market in Toronto all of other companies ethical and sustainable packaged read body and home care products amazing. We talked everything from making low-waist living accessible and affordable to that Ultra satisfying sound of shaving your legs with a stainless steel safety razor. Oh the pleasures of living waste-free. Tell me a little bit about yourself and what Life like before bear Market. What were you up to for Bear Market? I was a across sectors related to two stems and developing social Enterprises, but were you doing we worked with the public sector? So we worked with food policy councils across Ontario. We worked with universities. We worked with lots of different places. Why am I not thinking of any of them at the moment because I wasn't the important part of this conversation. You know, how do we create more effective efficient culturally appropriate food secure? Systems in place. Oh my God, Carla South what the organization we were working with? That's fantastic. There's a lot of people working on sustainable Food Systems one in Toronto and across the country. It's actually good systems in general is really my passion and my area of expertise I would say and there's a lot of cool things going on and what I really like about food is that it brings people to the table. Everyone has something to say about food and it's kind of in a in starter to you started bear Market tell me a little bit about what it is and where the idea came from. So bear Market is Toronto's One-Stop shop for package free Goods. We offer affordable and locally sourced DIY ingredients home care products body care products, and eventually we'll also have food in bulk and basically as we've been looking for the perfect permanent location. We've been popping up around the GTA 3 for almost a year now actually just to bring back. Country Goods to neighborhoods all over the city that's brilliant to do a pop-up. I hadn't thought of doing that. Most people just go for kind of an online route. I would say pop-ups are probably a little bit more complex. Reason we're doing the pop-up model is because we want a permanent location and the pop-ups allowed us to do market research to say these are the areas in Toronto where people are interested and it allowed us to talk with our potential future customers and say what are the things you like? What are the things you don't like, how can we make this more accessible for you and really start to get to know people the pop-up model so that allows you to go just about anywhere one of the main areas that you go to is we started last summer mostly at As markets around the GTA nice and then we also reached out to Patagonia Toronto and basically like built the business case so why they should let us come and pop up in their space, you know, where values aligned companies and we kind of spells it out for them and they really didn't need us to spell it out for them. They are absolutely in love with what we're doing and really wanted to support us in any way and so we've been popping up at Patagonia basically every other week since July and will continue to do that moving. Forward but instead of every other week, we're moving it towards a month. That is so cool. My goodness. What a great partnership. Actually, they've been the sole reason we are around at the moment. There are number one biggest supporters and then either on par or just below them and we have a ton of volunteers that support bear market and we couldn't do it without either of those two main parties. That's awesome. So where did the idea even come from in the first? is to go from your earlier career to this well, so when I was Doing undergrad degree. I was living in. in studying at UBC just studying. In fact of sustainable agriculture and health and Community Development and I discovered the soap dispenser e which is basically a dedicated refill shop customers reduce their waste. So this was in 2012. It's the first shot that I know of that offered package free bulk goods and they basically have everything we currently have. So DIY ingredients body care and home care products in bulk since then just recently in the over the last year. They have expanded. Also stock food items as well, which is really exciting. I really love this idea of refilling and ditching single-use plastic and it was really an easy way to create positive environmental impact and then also keep check of ingredients that I was putting on my body. That was something that was really important to me back then and it still continues to be I think I'm a little bit more knowledgeable about what what is and isn't something to worry about now, but I'm certainly I'm still interested in that and so I basically just really loved the fact that it felt so accessible to me, even though it wasn't physically accessible it ended up being a lot more financially accessible compared to the traditional products. I was seeing at Grocers really stores. Yeah, because you're only buying what you need. So yes you got on there and you can get you know, 4 liters of shampoo, or you can go and you can get two tablespoons of shampoo and we operate the same way. It's you. Only paying for what you get and because they're getting it in bulk. Sometimes those stores are able to offer you lower pricing. That is so brilliant. And you know what? I don't think that I've heard of other than you now and the soap dispensary any places that are selling body care products exclusively in bulk. So there's lots of places now that are offering package free bulk food and some places that are offering maybe dish soap or maybe shampoo, but Offer things like charcoal powder and all the things to make your own makeup and we have 450 products. At least. I haven't done a fillable makeup and hair gel to you know, beard oil safe bleach laundry powder air freshener DIY. So like carrier oils essential oils just Butters wax and the list goes on and on and on we're really trying to be your One-Stop. Shop for anything package for you? That's so phenomenal to because so many people there zero waste solution is to just make it themselves. But if the make it themselves ingredients are coming and packaging then maybe it's coming in less packaging than if you were to buy it in a bottle every single time, but it's still not enough of a difference for some people and so they're not making a profit product really add up if you're getting each of your Ingredients. Oh, yeah, that's a lot of packaging. Each one is coming in. But yeah, a lot of people do turn 2D iying to help them reduce waste I would say that's not the most accessible thing for everyone not everyone has the time to be able to create their own for the insurance or the skill like yeah exactly. Actually effective. Yeah, it's enough. It's certainly an affordable option for those who have the ability to invest in time in it. I love that does bear Market adhere to other values as well. I don't know like ethical fair trade anything on top of being packaged free never been asked it frame that way so we don't Don't specifically label ourselves with any sort of claims or certifications that we must abide by. Can I tell you a little bit about how we Source our products absolutely. So basically all of our bulk body care and home care products and DIY ingredients are reviewed by a third-party cosmetic chemist. Her name is Jen novakovich. I really hope I met her last night and she is the founder of the Eco well and And I really appreciate what she does because everything every bit of insight. She gives his based on in science but is also has a bit of a sustainability slant. She is a podcast too doesn't she she does she does have podcast. So what she does is she we hire her and she reviews all of the ingredients and all of our products before we go through purchasing them and she tells us the environmental social or economic impacts any negative ones if there are any Close ingredients and from there we decide whether we're going to move forward with that product with whether we're going to move forward with the supplier. And if we do, sometimes we reach out to them and we say hey where we really want to Source this product from you. We're not loving this specific ingredient. Is there something we can do to either admit it all together. If it doesn't affect the quality of the product replace it with something that is a little bit more sustainable. That's incredible. Yeah. We do a lot of research. Yeah, that's very thorough trying to do all the research. Research so our customers don't have to we really want to make things too. As parents we want to be like a source of trustworthy information and we're not going to be that if I'm just looking up on blogs what is and isn't sustainable and what isn't isn't you know healthy? Oh my gosh, that's brilliant. So what kind of negotiations have you had with manufacturers as well? If you have reached out directly to manufacturers, how do you even negotiate the package free option as well as all of your other standards? Yeah. That's it. A really long and complex sort of conversation. We have it's always a dialogue. It's never like, you know, we want this and if you don't do it, we're not purchasing from you is just exactly yeah, you know, we're on this mission to do this you have some products that we think are really great. We want to support you because you're a local producer. How can we work with you to move us? Both towards producing less waste I would say a lot. People are really responsive to that and a lot of suppliers also want to make change with say less. So, you know larger Distributors who are just re selling other people's products, but if you go straight to the source people are very willing to at the very least look into their systems and see if they can accommodate us. That's wonderful. And and if you're going to local businesses to their, you know, possibly going to be more receptive to it as well because you don't have to go through thousands of Levels of bureaucracy within your company in order to make that call. You're allowed to say yeah, we could present the business case for why a larger company we should want to manufacture and produce in this way. But especially the last few months. My time has become a bit more limited. And so yeah, I don't have the capacity for that. But more importantly we want to support local producers. Anyways, yeah, and yeah, it's just really a win-win-win I would I think that's so great who's producing things like shea butter and Beeswax locally, like what are some of your top suppliers? But specifically those products we don't get locally beeswax. We will eventually hopefully within the GTA and not just ontario-based but really really hyper local. Wow, shea butter is from Ghana. Yeah. So a lot of our DIY ingredients are not locally procured simply because they're not in nature here exactly. Are Canadian made it was creepy and gradients are not Canadian made their Source through a Canadian distributor. Yeah. Oh my goodness. You are just boost in the Canadian economy. Well done. So are you operating with a pretty small staff or like you're talking about all of this kind of sourcing products as well as Manning these booths these pop-up boots every single week or every other week. Is it all you? Yeah, we're stuff of one. Oh my God, you're incredible and it's interesting though because A hundred percent rely on volunteer work at the moment and it's not a model that I love or subscribe to. Of course. If we had the financial ability to Value people's time and effort the way that we think they should be valued. We would be operating this a little bit differently, but the hard reality is where small start-up we have no outside funding and we have no ability to based on our pop-up shop model support anyone let alone myself like I still don't pay myself. Especially because we're so very much volunteer-based. I just it feels it doesn't feel right to pay myself and not you really credible. You're amazing. He's doing it just go for it. They that you and eventually eventually the money will come but I love that you're doing this out of a passion and it's not that weird. the ability it's not consistent enough to have someone on staff exactly. Yeah, and eventually looking into employment social Enterprise models to see if we can move in that direction. How far away is the brick and mortar store? If you feel like saying lease negotiations for a few weeks now women One particular spots, but of course that could fall through any second. Yeah, we always have our eyes out for potential spots in the area. So we're interested in and you know, our original goal was to be open in the summer 2019. That's not going to happen right now. We could maybe squeeze it for fall perhaps September or October but it just really depends on how quickly we can get through these negotiations. Yeah, who is your audience currently where? Ideal spot to set up shop. Yeah, they're different question. Yeah, so our audience is largely women. Yeah, what I found from doing these pop-up shops is that we had an idea of who our demographic might be then we realized it's actually much more expensive than what we thought. So we get people that are 13 years old and like 70 years old that come by our pop-up shops awesome and everywhere in between of all race Creed National like I would because they're just so And you know, it's the first time that people have seen something like what we're doing. Hmm. It's at the scale that we're doing it at. Yeah, I think what we're trying to do is make it feel easy to create a little bit of behavior change in your own life. And so when people come to us and see what we're doing, they feel that oh if I just like bring my own container or borrow one of yours and fill up a little bit like I'm making that one piece of environmental impact in my purchasing behaviors and in my life. And you know, they can feel proud of that. Yes. I know it's a bit of a tangent. So our demographic is largely women. I it's really hard for me to set an age because we really do get everything and every anything. Yeah, probably concentrated 20 to 35 year olds, but in terms of location like we get customers from all over the GTA and Beyonds, yeah, so when we did a pop-up shop of few months Go at Providence Healthcare, which is Sinclair and okay. They're just in Scarborough. We had people come from Peterborough. Yeah, it's me. Is it hot it wasn't me. But that's where I live. It was two sisters and their mother had taken off work because that was the first time that we were were somewhat close to where they lived for the day just to fill up. So people are coming from everywhere when we go to the wow, and we're we're looking for and the reason is that we feel that the West End has quite a bit of access already to refill assets. Okay, the East End has a similar demographic of interested people, but Very limited refill asset and certainly no all in one stop for package free Goods. I mean I still feel that nowhere in the city has that we're excited by the number of businesses that are popping up and you know getting on the bandwagon, of course, I think it's so exciting that you want to be. I mean, it also seems really smart from a business side of things, but it's so good to make these products accessible to people in a part of town that maybe wouldn't have found it before so that's wonderful. Yes ability both financial and physical accessibility. Are two of our most important tenets and values of are markets. So in the beginning when we were doing our pop-up shops, We Made It part of our location scouting for these pop-ups that we had to view spaces that were not well resource. So at the time we were specifically looking at areas that didn't have a lot of food Assets in the immediate vicinity. Oh my God my background being in food and the fact, you know food security is really important. A topic that I had is a bear market and so, you know, we went to the Melbourne farmers markets and number of times. We went to the doctor's Finch Community Hub Farmers Market a number of times and that was specifically to bring these Goods to areas that don't have otherwise don't have access to them. It wasn't because we were going to make a huge amount of profit in that area. Not that we really did at any of our pop-up specifically the farmers market ones, but because we really thought it was important to Increase access want to see more of that because it's not it's not the areas that have access to a Whole Foods or anything that has, you know, any sort of bulk package free Goods. It's areas that only have access to Fresh go or no frills not to say that they don't have unpackage things. Just talking about food in general as an entryway for buying package free, but they offer quite a bit less package free and so it's not accessible to buy things without waste, but it's also not accessible. Buy things cheaply without waste and so to be able to access or put yourself out into these kinds of areas even especially with your pop-up shops because it allows you to have a lot more Mobility. I think it's awesome. Are you going to continue to do pop ups after you get your brick-and-mortar store? Once you have a staff of like 30 and you can you know, distribute the Lamppost very least maybe once every two months. But our pop-up shops are a labor of love. They are a lot of work. So we get all of our many of our bulk liquids in 20 liter containers. Oh my gosh, you fall back. So that's all in our storage space and then we pour them from those containers or whatever containers they come in into four liter or two liter glass jugs with comes on them. And so that Process of filling those containers alone takes me two full days and then glass jars are quite heavy liquid in them are even heavier and then we pack them into my car with like we Tetris we play Tetris in there and get every single little thing in it's absolutely Madness. We post some stories on Instagram. Sometimes I can send you one Ethan I will totally take those out and and then we drive them to these locations. I mean that's not exactly in line with our values either. It's not the most carbon efficient way to okay. No one's No One's Gonna tell you to bike your stuff over in terms of time and energy that it takes to do that. Yeah, it's it's a lot. So instead, I mean I got it would be great to have a pop up at Patagonia every so often but we're going to focus on On the permanent location and then online distribution. So hey just last week. We launched our online store. Woohoo. Yeah, it was a long time coming and it's wonderful work. So we're really excited to see it finally come to fruition. And right now we only have non bulk Goods on there. So basically our lifestyle Essentials to help you reduce waste so, you know replacements for disposable razors, which would be like your safety razor and you know plastic It free dish brushes and Willie brushes and stuff like that. Not things that people necessarily have to consume. We certainly don't want people to just buy things on our story because it's a package restore and they're like I can reduce waste by buying this. No, thank you so much for saying that because I hundred percent of supporting this store in this Enterprise, but I also strongly disagree that you need to buy anything in order to be zero waste. And so I love that. You're saying that continued its kind of contradictory as a business were in this really tricky space where we have to balance covid. Okay. Well, we need people to buy some things so we can live exactly. Yeah, and then we don't want them to buy things. They don't need but how do we get that message across? Yeah. It's very shop with us, but don't shop unless you have to shop yet. So we really encourage people that if they Have items that are perfectly good for like in relatively. Okay, working condition hold on to them because the most sustainable thing you can do is use your products until the very end. Yeah, and basically when it's time to dispose of that product to compost it to recycle it to donate it. Then were there for a more sustainable option to replace that item. Don't come to us beforehand. Yeah. Do you have a sense of what it will look like to buy things in bulk online, correct? Non bulk items I think relatively soon hopefully in the next month or so we can phase in bulk powders. So like laundry powder charcoal activated charcoal facial cleansing grains. We have that are powder. There's a few things we can because it's easier to distribute those say in the plastic on the plastic bag. Wow in a paper bag. It's okay. Not call ourselves a zero waste or we don't use that framing. We are packaged free store, which is not always completely literal. But basically we don't believe that as an individual or as a small business of our size be zero waste. It's not feasible. It's not crappy very astute continue. Yes, so we don't want to call ourselves that because it's not transparent and it's basically lying. But anyways, I digress Exactly in the same way that we might want to do it. Yeah, it's very complex. First of all, the one thing that we need to take into account is how do we do? Liberty is Goods in a container that's not going to break and it's not going to be too heavy or else. It's no longer feasible because shipping and Canada super expensive and even when the customer doesn't pay for it. We absorb it and basically there's no such thing as free shipping. But anyways, it's more about how do we then get that container back from the customer clean? It sanitizes it and refill it and then send it up again. It's a huge operation a and originally we could have gone the route of doing online distribution. Ian, you know get a warehouse space and that's that's what we would focus on. I just feel that it's really important to move towards. How do I say this? Basically bear Market is trying to nudge Behavior change and I don't think that just doing online delivery in someone receiving a package the next day with some refill soaps is enough to incentivize them to want to change their behavior over the long term. Yeah, so they may have At once and they may have been like oh, yeah, that was cool. But what's incentivizing them to keep doing that same behavior and I have this inkling of a feeling that if we can have a physical space that's a community space where we have workshops and classes that people can come together around these topics and have a story to tell and no have pictures to share of the space and what they did there that will lead towards Sustained Behavior change and really that's what we need to address. The larger issues that we're facing. I like that too. And behavior change is something that we're talking a lot about on the podcast. Just trying to encourage people to make these everyday changes that are going to stick don't do something dramatic like throw it all your things to say that you're a minimalist because then you're going to continue to accumulate things in the same patterns that you were before. But if you are everyday making little changes and Having them stick in your mind. So learning how to make this product from home and buying all of the bulk ingredients that you need package free from bear Market. You're going to continue or from anywhere but like it's an incredible resource to have and you're going to continue to make these Behavior changes over time because oh you've run out of this product and you have to make more than you can order more from bear Market because you had a good experience right like to be able to change your mindset. Is going to be way more valuable than if people just try a sample and never pick it up again. Yeah, so we were talking about some other similar kinds of shops. They're not quite doing what you're doing. But do you have anybody who's inspiring you? And kind of like the low waist community at all lately. Yes, they are. Just amazing and I haven't been back in Vancouver since 2015 and I'm sure they've grown immensely. I keep seeing them in the papers. I'm not sure how they're keeping up with demand. I'm sure that's probably struggle for them, but they're certainly a company that I look up to across the country. There's a lot of really small businesses popping up all across Canada, you know. Waterloo and in Sarnia and dinner really at there's these amazing refill spaces pattern coming to fruition or have all actually already opened were the last ones probably not the last but will be more of course and there he doesn't want to. Of different businesses getting on the train, you know what? I mean? Like it shouldn't just be us and it's not just us there's others and that's so amazing to see me. Hope that grows and grows. I think it will there's CBC was just interviewing unboxed the other week and so unboxes and new package free focused store that is in food. There there big thing right now is packaged free milk. You can just get Milk, which is really cool. Yeah, it is. Again is a tricky word. Yeah. Yeah. It's a little tricky. I mean to bring up the point of milk like those coming 20 liter 10 liters six litre plastic bag. So it's not zero waste, but it's certainly low waist and it's certainly helping people reduce waste and I think that's what's important. Yeah. I think you're right because I think even this podcast is called practically zero waste it trying to make zero waste practical but it's also acknowledging the fact that zero waste isn't You can't fully do it because even the big names like be a Johnson Lauren singer. They're not creating no waste they're still you know, producing a mason jar full or whatever. So like bulk stores Bulk Barn here in Canada and bear market and I'm boxed all of these places are creating some waste because they have to receive their goods in some fashion and the system isn't perfect yet that you send back containers to be refilled and they send it back to you and so zero waste is a misleading term. I don't want it to stop people because it's also an inspiring term to try and work towards that. Yeah, and I think as long as we're exactly you know, I think the Lauren singers of the world. I think that image of having a mason jar full of trash. Can I think that can be a barrier to a lot of people think it is? Yeah, you know, they think how could I ever only for you so much trash and then they'll never even try it so that mason jar analogy. I don't love Stephen gets a little bit debilitating towards getting people to jump on the movement or like the everyday consumer to jump on the movements. Yeah. Yeah sustaining. Your change is so key in this entire operation whether it's just on the you know, individual level or if it's on an industrial level Behavior change is what's going to keep us going. Yeah. I like the tricky conversation Underneath It All That We're Not really talking about but we're kind of getting at yeah, this stuff is like yeah, it's scary to change Behavior change. So we need to take it one step at a time and it doesn't need to be scary. It can be fun. It can be Like oh, wow, I can fill up on cleanser and I can purchase what I need and that helps me budget and all this other things practical and it's kind of fun. You know, you get to share that story with someone that's kind of cool. Uh, yeah the whole bigger conversation about how yeah reducing your single-use plastic is important. It's going to keep that at a landfill is going to keep it out of the ocean. It's going to keep it out of the, you know Woods near your house, but that's not the only thing that we can be doing. I think that a lot of people maybe get overwhelmed by the fact that you know climate change is reality and it's happening and you know the planets heating up and the ocean levels are rising and you know, we're all kind of doomed but we're not because there's things that we can do and people making those tiny little changes everyday like reducing your waist and you know learning how to be more eco-friendly is the solution on an individual scale. I think I love that you've brought that up because that's so important. Important to us to you know, a package free store can have a direct impact on the amount of plastic pollution that shows up in our oceans and in our backyards, but to me, it's so much more than that. You know, I wasted actually this really fantastic leaver to nudge Behavior change around a number of other sustainability and social issues at all levels of the supply chain. And I personally these are issues that I think are more important than plastic. But yeah, there's some of the ones that you just mentioned So I think our hope is that will encourage consumers to consider where their goods are coming from and the economic and the social and the environmental systems that make that all possible and then make it easier for them to do something about it. Yeah, make it practical. What are some of your favorite products that you guys offer a bear Market Ghost like the hold up shoes or yeah. Yeah name name a few that you actually use on a regular basis and also like a handful that are just really cool that that's offered in bulk. Okay, so the plastic fruit dish brush I've been using for a very long time. Yeah are the bristles even plastic free? Yes. So there's two options one of them are horse hair bristles and the other ones are at Tampico fiber, which is a plant. Okay? Excellent. That one's a little bit more abrasive. So I originally bought mine in Vancouver. Yeah at the stuff dispensary and I had the Tampico fiber bristle first and I had it up until this year. Wow. That was like six. And a half years. I had it under it now. I keep it's a replaceable head. I keep it in the bathroom and I use it to scrub down the bath and now I put on a horse hair bristle and I'm using that although I like that one better dish brush really like that. That's great and use it every day. Yeah dish soap also not glamorous. Yeah. What are you a safety razor is probably one of my favorite products. It's a bit of an investment up front are razors cost anywhere between $20 and $56. Yeah, I think I paid forty for my first one and we'll only one. Yeah, it's it. The blades are dirt cheap. Yeah, so you're going to be saving money within the first year and it's such a nice shave. That sound it made. Yeah, it's like yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, if you've if you've used a safety razor, you know, it's got to go down in the book of awesome. It's a good feeling. That's great. Free production line where she makes children's clothing and then the off scraps from that clothing line. She uses to make the largest pads and then the off scraps not she makes the smaller pads and goes down and down in size until you get to our reusable facial Ram size and then getting scraps that are smaller than that. She stuffs into dog beds and donates to the Humane Society. That's amazing. That's really cool that takes a lot of planning. Yeah, I mean it's all so yeah, I mean you're getting the most out of your money and I think it's better to wonderful else. Do I use? What are they called the beeswax wrap? So use those all the time? Yeah, which do you carry a certain brand that's local or weapon. We carry a brand called orthology. They're made in sure. I want what I really love about this company is their commitment towards sustainability. So they have a beeswax version and a vegan version and just to give an example. They're vegan version the waxes that they use for that are not from Ontario. They're not even necessarily from Canada their those DIY ingredient Products that come from wherever around the world in comparison to their beeswax, which they get from like a local apiary and they like stream at themselves and it's super sad local beautiful. Can stuff they actually paid for carbon offsetting for those ingredients. It's just like yes. Oh my gosh. Okay. Obviously, I'm going to put all of the information for all of these products and companies that you've mentioned today in in our show notes. But like that is really cool. That's right. That's why you have hundreds of different options because everybody's going to want to use something slightly different but I love hearing your real person reviews of those ones that you like. What are the coolest products? Oh totally. Yeah. No. Wait. What was your question? I was gonna say what's the coolest stuff that you offer, but I'll get to that. No, I think Is it how cool I think it's really cool? Okay, I think our coolest product is our line of bulk makeup. And yeah reason I think that okay. So we have a liquid foundation mineral foundation Tinted Moisturizer liquid concealer lip balm blush bronzer eyeshadow color corrector brow color and probably some others and missing we have those all in bulk. They are Canadian made. Or mineral-based and they're 45 to 65% off the same brand in a retail store this really cute like a little bit please do - I'm not even a person that you like a teaspoon of if I want it exactly and not get the you know, the packaging that's associated with it, but also not get the prescribed amount that comes in a prepared packaging product in a normal store. Have to commit to a whole container and that you're never gonna use the whole thing is to give an example and you can cut this out if you want. Maybe I won't. 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You guys totally missed what I was just doing like five seconds ago. Nope. No clue. Yeah, you had your mic mean everybody the good call. Yeah, I'll good solid strategy. Oh my God. Yeah. What are we listening to this stuff? Fuck fuck come Ram. Fuck you, Mom. Just get some hot fire over that don't mind the gray don't get in my way. Yeah, Ricky. I don't care what nobody say nothing about your neighborhood. I'm genius.com. There is no lyrics for it. But if you have NBA Hall of Fame for the guy that that that started over Michael Jordan Michael Jordan got cut from his high school basketball team because the Leroy Smith, duh He made the team on the varsity team and then you in the market for a new procedure to talk shit about him while he was there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, he's better than Jordan Jordan Jordan and no fighting games. Yeah. Listen. Yeah, there was no Jordan food. There was no there was no Jordan food, right? Jordan had video games. He had Michael Jordan in the windy city. Hmm. Now you guys got me Google and shit. Got me. Good. All right guys, welcome. Welcome. Welcome. This is the probably the last episode for boom cast of this year 2019 all day every day. Yeah. How's it going guys? You're really Leon this when you're on your high today, yeah. No, it's the coffee man death was coffee is been crazy. But all right. Here we go. This is episode number 33. We're in it for the award ceremonies. There's a lot of Tours that have just finished up if you guys are just tuning in. We just had Capcom Pro Tour happening over the weekend Oh before we do all that. It's been a while. You're joined in with me. I'm like a we have reap all over here Rick see over here and Sue. Can Bubble Bum the boys. There you go. Yeah we in there. Episode number 33 last time we have JTC our but this time we have some Recaps to go over I guess the first one will go over. So before we get into the meat and potatoes of this episode right is the Capcom Pro Tour that just happened over this past weekend. I think Sue. Can you were there helping out with the event a little bit as well? Tell us a little bit about that rib, you are also restreaming the finals day. What did you guys think about the whole event? Sue can you can start over there? Where's the ball? Hold up everybody? I I was not there. I was not at the to I was at the pin drop event. It's the oh, yeah. Yeah, give me the receipt at the it was the before tournament before, you know, all that stuff. Yeah, I didn't go to the Capcom cup but show me the receipt Susan a lot of good players that showed up Red Bull was It down, it was really fun to watch even three fighter, you know, but just hanging out and is kind of like an old-school Vibe. So basically the pin drop event was placed in a secret place, but it ended up being a fighting gym a legit MMA fighting gym cage inside. They had like a boxing ring. They did everything at the boxing ring. They had setups everywhere and they did these really cool things where they did the coin thing where the let me show you what's this like this? Give me a magic trick. What's he doing? No, I don't want to show you guys because I was looking for the point. Anyways, it was like event right because I put the coin somewhere and I forgot where I left that shit. Okay. All right, maybe you sat on it. He's not wearing panties to do this. Then we would know we lost them at least he got up without like showing his pet. You know saying okay, where is the streamer? I found it. I found it. Okay, so they had these they were giving out these coins are I got a bunch. My daughter thinks these are like Pirates Booty and shit, right? Anyways, look like arcade tokens. Yeah, they're like arcade tokens and look at this my new camera. Look at this. Let's see what focuses it. It's says Red Bull. I assume yeah, never gonna focus. It looks like the Mandalorian helmet from what I'm seeing, right? Exactly. It's so big. Yeah. It's I think it's a tree. Is it a tree? It looks like something it's a nuclear bomb. It had a mushroom cloud. I'll post a picture of it on Twitter. But everyone gets a fanny pack they get 25 tokens and they challenge each other and basically it's the most person the person with the most coins get surprises and they gave out like some legit prizes like an exclusive. Corey like arcade stick exclusive PS4. There are any of those Pro, you know Capcom Pro, you know finalists there at the event like and yeah, no. Well there was we're like most of them in attendance. They're not most of them some of them. Yeah. There was a lot of Japanese players that I go wasn't there if that's what we were asking or any it was there were 100 that was a big assumption here. Are you trying to say I'm a DDR player? I'm not a DDR player. He okay I am Number one fan. I'm definitely not talking about Dance Dance Revolution. I'm talking shit. I was watching Logan someone like lift weights, right and I did he was sweating dude. I think these are like 10-pound weights. He was hitting my gosh. He was like hit or hit and then yipes was Right. Yeah. I was like hi. I'm up just like counting them off all loud and Logan's like looking in the mirror pumping weights and shit ten Pounders on their use looking hype. I like this is your culture. Is he one of those dudes in the gym that makes Club? Yeah. Yeah. He's a grunter. He does. He's moving his whole body to like get momentum to lift the weights up, right so he's like like Yeah, I mean you have to bring more attention to that. That's that's Supreme sleeveless t-shirt that he's freaking out here when I'm down but I mean overall for that penetrant Penny van. It was pretty well run and I'll enjoy it it no one. I mean there was no hate about it. So but so that was basically a chill event before cat precursor. Yeah. Yeah. It was a pretty who ended up taking a do, you know the last results by Nature who won it I'm trying to remember. Because I was not there for the finals because I was breaking down everything so I missed out on the finals. But okay. Yeah, sorry. Alright. Alright. Alright. So moving on to the Capcom Pro Tour finals rip. You restream. Did I caught most of it too? What do you guys think about the event? I mean there's a couple problems. We did hear about it leading into the finals day right even day to day three. I mean, let me just Yeah, yeah, please drop it on us. Well. Logistics there was no Street for lcq. What the hell? Yeah, like that's to me. That's that's that's that's just Stupid I don't even know what better worked at. That's just stupid. It's like who thought that dude thought that anyone would be okay with that. Yeah, I don't think anyone would reasonably schedule and I'll seek you and think to themselves after they schedule think that we shouldn't stream that the only you only the only more on that did that before is a moron we all know and we all call them a moron for doing it afterwards. Oh, yeah, and now he's streets of 1000 and that shit's tight that no one saw Long style whatever the hell it was called recordable and L GPS or whatever and look at Harrison with the comp. It'll never happen one was that it was a nice try but it didn't work then it didn't work now. It's not gonna future unless like you hold it in some weird underground Dojo that Su qing's at where the giving out Camelot tokens. Yeah. I just what I really want how she don't those tokens work at arcades. Yeah. It does look like a toga. So that's the coolest part about those for sure. I mean, I'm not gonna say anything but I'll give you some you can try. I'm down Cruisin USA all the way. Yeah shoutouts to a bomb for the big ass Parade band people. Mama raised a shout outs. How's it going? How's it going the lcq? Of course, you know for Capcom cup was not scheme, but a lot of people said that the would scream at Red Bull ends up coming into gave out. Backpacks that people just dream it the saddest part about all that for me because I slept through most of it because I've been sick, right but the saddest part for me was when I finally tuned in and I saw like a screenshot even see the stream but it's a screenshot of himeko and the kids co-commentator in like Japan right wearing like Blazers, right you National commentate, he's healthy Q as a restream. And so they're just like leaning in for the grand finals off. Someone's shoulder cam on to a monitor that they can't even see because it's soldiers not correctly and they're like it look. Oh you are not I don't like these guys are in Japan for the region with the largest Capcom event of the year the finals, you know the lcq to get into the cup Capcom cup shout out. Yeah. It's an ultra Chen for like, you know doing the eye to the two largest IRL streams there and also everybody else that did manage to yeah, that shit is crazy. Easy, it made it like a community like everybody, you know, like come together man. Yeah together. Yeah, I really want it brought it kind of felt like, okay look if they're not gonna do our shit. We're gonna do that shit for ourselves. How was kind of really cool in that regard? But it's just like hey, you gotta poke stick out this channel check out this channel the streaming Daigo versus this this is Tokyo this and that and everyone's like, you know, just shifting and then you and then you get like little Snippets of like the tournament that you usually won't get you will see like Hawaiian shirts Steve Wright just like doing crazy Antics and stuff and like, you know all the other stuff that you don't usually get to see on just like a high quality stream production. You got the wrong - of the tournament environment and all that. But you know, oh hearing from Walter Chen's podcast the latest one right the most exciting thing that I heard was that they stream the after party, but they didn't stream lcq WTF Dude, lcq was gonna be going back to 2004 and shit. I'm like, I'm good. I'm in 2019. We don't say some weird shit that we used to say back then right? So I'm not I don't need to watch this IRL stream of this grainy footage of my game that I'd barely care about. You know, I want if I'm a barely care about I want to barely care about at least in 1080P. Yeah, I mean hearing that is like, oh, what are you waiting on that after party was? A red path pretty it was the Red Bull after partying pretty sure but so like the whole thing was irate. I restream the restream the top 32 right? Was it top 60 I reaching the top 16. Yeah the fire. Right? Right. And so it's final day on reaching the whole thing. And you just cool is very fun to watch to be honest. Kenny. Omega saved. A lot of segments was a lot of fun. I'm glad he was there I even bought the SFL finals the night before that that was pretty interesting, but it looked like a lot of players are so tired. Right? Like that's Saturday angeling was so rough. Having to write when you start to start. Let's start over there. Actually, they start off by not stream loses matches. And then I wake up to that I wake up to tweets and people got you know, they're not they're not seem to lose his matches, you know bond has already in losses what the hell and so then like, you know, there's like this tweet for the my co actor we're gonna switch with now whatever and I could you could tell that they were trying to cut down as many matches possible because they were trying to fit SFL and at the end of the day, which is just bad landing right because it's just like you should account for everything going down to the wire and it's just and yeah and if and logistically when you have these two events, they're like, yeah, we'll just Put both finals at the same place. That way will save my brother went out to separate venues people don't come back without all the plays the same place. It makes a lot of sense in like right cost cost Effectiveness, right but scheduling-wise that that should been three days, you know in the LCS of else to probably should've been with the lcq on one day, you know what I mean and then whatever whatever but obviously it was just a block like the players who were there from the morning through the SFL stuff and then had to be back the next morning for top 16 tamago, dude. That was super this with jet lag. Yeah, this whole event really just smelt of a brand new tournament organization. Like, you know, like the first tournament like they don't know what they're doing Rusty otic the following the 2006 tournament when monitors first article was just barely doing that bad. I don't know do you yeah. Earlier this yeah, I wouldn't have been surprised. Yeah, I like speaking of like official day one Capcom. Right? I mean, let's just take a little snippet on into the twitterverse on this right. I mean happened my God. Can you see this first image do yeah this one and then this wasn't just one player one time, right? It was just like what the hell? Yeah punk and problem X and some other ones too, right? They're just you know dying. I go like everybody like dude, apparently like apparently it was this hearsay for me. Right but I apparently was done. So badly that they stop doing it. Yeah, that's why I've read to that's why I hurt so much. Yeah, this is really This is like just unacceptable. This is this legit unacceptable. Yeah, this is l'absolu production bigotry. Raheja ADP Pig once or twice. Yeah, but the but Dido being my girl like you who's the a go? I don't want to throw on the bus, but it definitely was not the way it's been done in the past and it showed. I think that's enough to say about that. As far as the finals day goes if went down the grand finals was USA vs. USA, which is ridiculous and I'll be see boys Punk versus item, you know, and it was terrible because I'm restreaming it and I'm watching Punk lose it and who The Winning Side of the bracket and there was just that moment where he had this huge lead about it like close out. I don't like did this happen to him for such okey totu? Everybody was saying that everybody's been saying that but I think Punk has been that player. ER where he just always get so close, but that I don't know. I said it in your chat too because I was watching you restream. I was like sometimes I feel like he loses to himself when he gets in that scenario. It's just like yeah. Yeah. He just like gets too comfortable starts laughing. Now, you can kind of like see his moment, you know, he's like enjoying it with like playing his friend. But yeah. Yeah, I feel like watching him like start off strong. He got 200 on them. I was there. Okay, that's said Point. Yeah. Yeah. So this is gonna be free and then something is Open up and I could see the gears turning in his head where he starts to doubt himself. Then he starts to starts it out something else. Then he starts to doubt. Is it me or is it the two players? He's not thing about the game already thinking about like every other thing except getting the W in the house to bring up what just do can just said two players side, you know people did do some testing at the event, you know, it was on average two player side like Point. What is this? It was like 11 verses 10, right? 0:10 verses eleven, right? So it's like one frame worse on to pee right is what I'm getting out of this and that's what it looked like then see cuz like it was averaging at 11:00 something onto Shore so there's a couple things about that right? Like as you said, I restreamed all the top 16 there was a huge segment of the bracket where two-piece hours on a Non-Stop winning streak like it was literally like five or six matches of between players in a row, but you just to P side non-stop. We were like wow is one we ever gonna get a win again, like fucking go to These are we at the time we had no idea what it was a lag issue or anything. Right? And so to besides winning earlier in the day, you know, and then that was a grand finals but separate from that remember back in the day when we stop tournaments like he used to be like, you know, if you win you'll be like if you lose the said you like switch sides, you know what I mean? Like, I don't know but it's something that anymore or they feel like it's being a bitch or something. I don't know. Why not. That's sick. Yeah. I was okay with it and think well, you know what the the main the main thing is that the guys I complained about it. Or pad players and Bluetooth and PS4s, you know, like like during halfway through the top a even or like top 16, you know, they have to say like, all right, we're going to take a break because we gotta you know swap out these consoles. I'm just like damn that's that's not a good way to work that´s what it´s like that's what it is. You know, right? Yeah PS4 has overheating issues for tournaments and push the for a long time. They slow down the games. Yeah, they're just happens like that, you know and punk knows all this too though. Right? So like for like he's in that situation. He's like yo this Mad laggy like fucking stop. I think I've heard you got reset thousand dollars that after he got retreaded. I want to switch sides. Yeah. I mean like it's like you I just well, I know he might have but like he's losing he lost three really God reset right? You had the switch side you say hey this shit slagging Swiss the goddamn PlayStation, even after you lose two more games in the next set, right then you say just lacking man. What's with some shit up don't go to Twitter after would have complained after the fact like hey, this shit sucks. Who was the guy that complain when it and like the first like well, I don't know. What happens. Is that the measure Angry Bird was it you might have been someone like you the only one person actually did anything about it because everyone else did she do then Zen is an it is right because it's like, you know, you had yeah, it's hard to it's hard to in the moment be like, this is like, you know, yeah because it's because you start to self-doubt about so many different things exactly. Yeah, but you know, it's fucked up because like what happens if you say I love this just lagging and then they go up into the figure out. It's not like then you gotta go to have to punish him because there's no but I'm saying I'm saying I'm saying not even in that first game obviously playing a firsta to set what they did first through the whole way through I'm saying at some point in your asset Once A match is done. Stop it and say like yo, I don't like this switch this shit or something because as you mentioned throughout the week and they were swapping out PS4 is you know, they were taking breaks and all that shit. It wasn't uncommon at this event to do that. So switch sides. Tell them to stop the PS4 off to do something like don't just sit there. There and play two sets of grand finals and then give up $150,000 because of it so you can go to Twitter and make a tweet that says that she was laggy bro. That shit. I don't I get your yeah, I get your statement as well. It's just like should have done something then, you know, call it out. See something say something at that moment, right? It's just like yeah, I definitely agree with that but I think in the grand scheme of things though just talking about the competitors is themselves shout outside on for taking it if you guys don't know, yeah. Rip was saying both and OBC boys holding it down for America America. And I think I think we could kind of solidify at this point that America might be the best it Street Fighter 5, aren't they? The only repeating Champions right entry final shits knuckle do right. Yeah. I Dom knuckle do an item. We got to USA. Yeah. I think they're the strongest region how many Seafood than one County cap comes in? They've been praising our five and then there was the one year that men are D1, right? Yeah. Oh, so that's the Dr. That's an America kind of because I don't know that they'll be happy with that or not. I don't know. They're God's goon Japan right now. You can't come you can't claim that because knuckle do one. The first one that was like 20 years ago America America Grand finals there too, Ricky. You can't wait dude. I'm just saying I mean right now. Is the best you everybody's gonna count those two years that diagonal one in a row for Evo, right? So it's like hey, I think America is the best in Street Fighter 5. I'm going to say right now solid argue that point. Yeah, I think I think I think they have won it but yeah shoutouts to I Dom and then yeah just real quick, but just real quick Street Fighter 5 also has a new version B skills to look crazy. I mean happen Edition. Yeah do it. I mean, they're so crazy to the point that I want to get back into the game just to test out Kyle like v-skill to and stuff. It looks insane. It looks insane and they revealed Seth is in the game now to that is true Seth is apparently according to ultra Chen they said that Seth is still officially confirmed to be a he He's an Android machine thing, right? Yeah, it's crazy. But visually it makes sense. Right? He steals bodies. He's an Android machine thing and heels moves now to yeah, that part's really cool. That part's really cool. Gill also came out as well, you know along with the latest update. I was updating it right now, but it said three hours on the line, but the game 55 Champion Edition is a huge update. It's basically a whole new game if you guys it's putting everyone is up take a look at it's huge. It's way bigger than all the updates have done your Year, this is like the new version of p55 officially. Basically, it's a it's a Ultra Street Fighter 4. It's their version. All right. Yeah, just without the what the what the weirder title because I don't know what it's Street Fighter 5 c e CF in addition. Yeah. Yeah, the Japanese old-school definitely put like crazy subtitles under their names. All right, like Kingdom Hearts games like Birth by Sleep blah blah blah blah blah blah blah perfect height over over to these right like it's like dude, they love the subtitles. So Oh good stuff to Street Fighter Community. Yeah, I mean and well one last thing before I move on no more Capcom Pro Tour died on doesn't Auto qualify for this next year. No, he does. This is weird the following 120 doesn't qualify for the 2021. Oh, okay. Okay. I read a room. Which a bitch. Thank you if you think about it game. Yeah, absolutely. That's what happened from that but a lot of people said, yeah because they said, Why would they not are to qualify that the putter from next year's one and the like either to see Pete he's dead or or it's gonna be a new games coming out, right so and chapter addition now that's got all the characters bundle in all the DLC from previously into one package. It kind of signals. Like that's the end. We're not adding more to this game at this point, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's what it feels. Like. It's just like this is our last big hurrah anymore J. Capital Cup milk never streamed damn the whole thing. Fuck. Yeah, it's interesting. But you know moving before I move on. I just want to say that I think in the grand scope of things. I think we need all these games and all these, you know tournaments and Productions to all do well for the betterment of the whole FGCU know it's like we can't just like we can't just be on our high horse as taking players and be like ha ha ha Crash and Burn right? Like I mean, I think that's what we can nah, bro. Look that doesn't believe that was fucking Street Fighter 4 how many years man like Tekken was like The shitshow for how many years right? We're we've only been on a high horse now for like three years, but we were in this weird shit show for like eight years before that. Yeah, that's true. Realistically the worst part about it is that I felt bad most only well. Yeah, I really only felt bad for the players because the players are there because they, you know, they want to showcase stuff and it's like big ride, they're being sewn, you know, they're supporting the game that they love and it feels like the game that they love is not reporting and keeping them out. Yeah. Yeah that yeah that hurt and the worst feeling to have is a Players to feel like the game you love the dev's. The company itself is just not returning that that same love ya. I love back the way like Lord harada Michael Moore. He walked out Lester Souls. No, don't sit guys know nothing here for this year. Have a good one. Her Otto's auto played. Gaga hey, that's Sweet Chin. Music was pretty tight though. Carrie. Omega was like a real. Yeah spotlights dealer at the Taco Uncle. I think he's gonna do more of these in the wrestler, right? He had a you got know how to act. Did you see how many goddamn POC he is? Yeah. It wasn't that was intentional choice. I think that was yeah. He definitely you want down E85 packs of pocket what you're just dumping his mouth like breaking it Off With His Head. it was The Capcom Pro Tour. We're a little late on the ball on this one, you know, we weren't able to have the episode last week. But wow, that shit was crazy rip, Ricky you guys were there in time rip apparently is still in Thailand according to his background. God anyway. Yeah. What do you want to start talking about it man. I mean Thailand let's talk about you to be TLC cues. Yeah about day one first lcq was nuts. Right? We had so many players from Pakistan who were there? Like do is pack stead really gonna get it done. You know, I'll be like everyone's like thinking they probably are a teeth but heavy favorite hero team the loser of the John. Those are all the favorites, right? Mmm and most of them made into top 32 and a lot of the the out the outsider favorites ho don't wanna calm like run a black or something like they went out really early. You know, we're like, wow, he got busted up cuddle core when I'm very early as well. There was a couple American while attenders tool as well. Yeah, so you just it wasn't It was like things just kind of went down as expected. And then what about at the top a we get that you were coming tonight? Right? It didn't go down as expected only because remember so, you know, we all made predictions right like the not only just the commentators like even even like the like the, you know document that work behind the scenes or whatnot and everyone chose two players. No one chose the guy that won Bilal. Mmm. No, I am I think one person might have chose AK, right and like one person that I musician who got like forthright. So the the entire life Lcq top eight was pretty surprising because you got to see like coggan Maru do good. Right and contact was always that one guy that has like one tournament where it's like, oh shit Master cup even even no b-but was so no pants told me this. Nobody was behind camera while car was playing against the John but what if player from Pakistan that's right akamaru when he was beating him, you know bees just kept saying behind him Master cup remember mastica ha ha I did not know that that is awesome at it. So there's a lot of you know, just like Japan seem to show up early. Well, I just overall the the lcq was very exciting because there was just so many matches that you will like you might never see again, right I two players in that lcq for sure. We'll probably never play each other again, but they play at that event, you know, that's that's kind of cool thing about I musician everybody with yeah. He was just fucking making music with them eyes man. Like that shit was hilarious to yeah. I was out in the crowd watching them like Rick said Margaret. I'm talking about the eyes of you know, I got all night music for the eyes. All that shit get the I muffs Etc. I must kill them. It's like Rick and Morty eyeholes. And that was beautiful know yet. I musician was on fire that day, right? It really got to watch really wants a lot like Jesus Christ dude. Yeah. It's tight. Yeah, I think it was super fun and you know the fact that moved it up to the theater because obviously started look on this. Like he's like the place is kind of weird, right? It's like a mall that was in so you go to like the 6th floor 7th floor. I only remember and then you're inside like this area with just like the lcq area right but then to go to the theater, you got to go upstairs again basically, so it was a totally separate venue from what else you started. So it was those guys earned their way up to go up there. It's pretty cool. Yeah, the break was a little longer than expected. But once they came back I was like, whoa, we're huge at outside. How's that? Yeah. No, but good stuff moving on from the lcq bait by Lowell ended up taking In it over AK and AK work so hard we could see it in his face. But by law belong belong right stole strongman multitude of characters, but brought out that Brian little soul clean and crisp. Yeah and ended up taking the lcq over AKA. That was really sick. No the coolest thing about it too, right? Because we all thought like Pakistan Akuma is gonna win this lcq minor Nerf takuma beforehand, whatever meter reduction, right and then all of a sudden he's like, I don't need no Akuma, bro. Check out this Bryan fury. It's like damn and then AK brought out the Akuma The Sweep sweep. Sweep. Oh my God, that guy's a man. I mean, I like the cool move for AK because when AK first plate I musician like before this tournament. Yeah fucked up boy. I'd rather major. Yeah brutal. So when he bought I Akuma I was like, that's a good choice. I don't know because I don't know how well I mean she knows the matchup, but just to change it up from your normal Pace. It's so much. Riya and he played it so ballsy man. Like I've never seen a man that ballsy with a just a down for like that. I was crazy but that's his style. Yeah, just to challenge and scare you with the balls. He's got I don't know how he's able to walk around Thailand balls on his foot like it's not exactly. Yeah. It was definitely like the ones on the Deez Nuts in his face man. He is he was just putting these numbers all over it. I musicians eyes dude, like he's holding his arcade stick with the nuts and shit like that. How busy? All right enough of this. All right moving on to Saturday man. The pool blocks were crazy. I didn't get to catch all of the action. I kind of tuned in from like and the pool be pulled Block B, but I heard of some upsets in pool block a what did you guys think about that? Yes, I commentated that block with Mazda Obama's. I was a lot of fun, but that was the block me chose to be in. He had the decision. So he said oh, that's the block with arson - I'm going to that one get up. Like it also had I believe neuroma and Shadow. Yep, and ulsan in his son. Yeah. So that was a really static. That was the biggest Flex. I've seen me because he isn't that type of guy to be like like, oh, you know like I want to just get this state. No. No, he's afflicted for sure. You always use the biggest Flex he was on stage and he like literally said looked at a be sour candies so have to be that way. Had that one. Yeah, we're doing dude in his position. He knew he knew he was going to go our everyone knew that he was able to do. Like there's no choice otherwise, yeah, it's like it's like the you know any classic rivalry, right? He's just stepping up to the plays. I'm this time. I'm getting I'm going after you the only way he may not have went there is if Chanel was in that group already. Yeah. I think that the only way he may not have selected that group. What about you? Imagine if he'd nachos that group, right and the never wanted to be like look at me that pussy. Yeah. Yeah. That was yeah. I think he know any I avoid it this is this has been the whole year right take control. For me and arslan me unable to defeat him arslan making this scene winning back-to-back evils putting Pakistan on his shoulders making it, you know, just throwing them up there. And this is it. It's all come down to this. I got Shivers watching the I was watching the stream late at night. It was like 3:00 in the morning. I was tired kids were asleep, but I wanted to watch it and when need that I nearly lost my shit. I was like dude it was so so anime, but it was so sick right like State like that even in the Roman that group was playing. Well, right like because last year at the T TT final the Roman really bad. He went like Owen for something crazy in the group stages. Like what the hell happened know, what do you think about for but each match is wanted to like it was every match was closed. He just likes the wall you talking about last year, right? Not to yeah, that's right, but he just like you didn't expect that from him though, you know, like it just it seems so uncharacteristic for the year. He was having a until that final point of thing. But then this time Randy like his matches were held a good I was like, oh shit and roll was doing great, right so, It's fun to watch and obviously, you know, ulsan is a beating me so he ends up with they can out of winners and shit and then knee has to be an arson we get the situation where Shadow has already beaten arslan out Shadow beat him 200, which was the craziest thing right? We're like what the hell Shadow Shadows are ready at that point unlimited. He had nothing to play for. He's like whatever. I'm just trying to get one win because he was like, oh and three or something at that point and then he's like, I'll fight us are some guy whatever. Yeah beat them to I was like, all right, whatever. You know residentsleeper wash with bait for the top e, yeah that I was restreaming this right and the point where Shadow was like, you know Shadow was already out the door right Shadows like well guys, thanks a lot for amazing event. Oh, I gotta play arslan, Ricky. Here come here you go. That's why I was like yo shadow shadow could have been like I don't need to put a hundred percent in this shit. Right? Our son was like, oh, okay. I could have just mopped this USA player up got into my position and played knee for the get out of this right but that's not what shadow said. He's got a said I'm 120 percent in I'm still gonna play with all my heart injured and yeah. 23% look if you're in that position Euro in three, do you really want to go and for hell? No, it doesn't matter who I'm playing. I'm fine. What do you want my 1w? Yeah, exactly and it's going to be the number one expected player to be in like, you know top three or something but right and then yeah and then did a little bit of controversy right? Because shadow gets the win over Arsenal and then it's awesome versus knee. We have people give us the numbers to save. Yo, if knee wins one match, he's in he's and then apparently Before the match pack was talking to Iceland and he told arson the same thing. He said to me was one match he's in so you got to beat him too. Well, so then that first match happens Austin wins, right it goes to game two and then me wins that game and that's the moment arts and takes off the headset is like keep playing like what is that? You know, what's the point? Basically? I think he's out. He's checked out at that point, right? What's the thing? Like, I hate that here people like, you know, You know know about right. It's like when you check out you check out, you know, it's like yeah, you do it's hard. It's hard to be like, yeah, you know, you play hard to the now when it's the fourth quarter and you're the worst player on the team and you're getting in your player exactly. That's when you're playing hard when you're about to go on TV right now, you're at the you're at the the 10-yard line on your old side of like, yeah already signing autographs and should take your shoes off for a little bit. Regardless obviously he ends up losing but then the craziest thing to me is that ulsan comes out and losers like how the hell did that happen? Shitty rules? Yeah. I didn't like the rules at all the red one hot one. Yeah, that's not very clear either right? Like what? Yeah. What no, it's not good. The rules makes sense. They're just not good rules. That's all basically and then I was like, these rules are not meant for fighting games. These rules are meant for other games. That's what it feels like to me. At least. I see ya. They it's something about the match differential right? So it's like when you win like two-to-one, it's like you're a plus one. You know what I mean? And then the guy who's wanted to is like a minus 1 or some shit. I don't even know that fucking works. Anyway. Yes, it's me. And so what if so then we shouted went 200 over Austin he was plus 2, but that doesn't help them over. All right, so but our thing is - to it that point you don't have me knocked over our sling because if are you had won one game against Shadow even if you lost a set he wouldn't he would have had that last game would have actually had some actual fucking mean Right. So that's all that's the only part that that's the part where Shadow fucked up real bad. And right now the hadou in the chat says that rule is gonna get changed parentheses, finally. So yes, I wanted that ye last year. Yeah. It was pretty ugly right because what ended up happening because of the rules and the way they were they played out there is that me ends up on the winter side of top eight. Ulsan in the loser side. And also on was like if you watch that pool also, I was like duh, man. Yeah he He's the guy who want like if you're obviously right so dominant enough because you lost that one set to write can't remember. I don't remember I do. It must have been yeah, it was arson. No Roma normal, was it in there? Yes, he was he was the one that beat him. I remember that actually because our that was a lot that was ours all sounds last match I moved on so arson lost old five and one button Aroma but no Roma. Wow, that's bad. Anyways, yeah. All right moving on real quickly. I think pool be double like dominated right for old. All good, right just fucking nothing else to say here just cleaned up shop in the whole pool and then well came out in that pool as well as know those double and then we're gonna get it. I doubt that was my lunch break because that the morning as the morning I woke up. I copy the first like I'm out. I'm gonna get food Anakin. Yeah, it was Anakin. Yes, it was and yeah that was looking scary frantic and early to all yeah because that was that was those so it was the match super super Akuma is yes. Right to make it out. It's super Akuma had lost a match earlier that cost him a chance for top eight first pain. Yeah, that's that's the kind of shit. I like right because that would be yeah and and when you looked at it on but, you know, even the macro French thing when you look at it at the end a lot of people like what the hell super cool was tied with Anakin why is an advancing, you know, could you just on the overlay that yeah stuff and there's no way to like display that nicely right with all these numbers and Freaking match differential all over the place. Yeah on the display is going to look ugly so man. Yes. No super cool was out at third of that group Anakin moved on Group C. Which one is that? That was the jdc are saying pool. Thank you. Oh, yeah rested wasn't that the one it was cheap wooden and jdc are that made it out of that pool. No, I think it was chickweed in and No be chicken and jdc. I made it up. Oh JD. So, yeah, I'll pull three ya pussy. Yeah, so I have the scores without the group that ranked you Bilal and steering. All right, sir. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So in that group only chicken chicken went 3 and 1 JD shower with 3 and 1 Rank 2 intuitive Bilal to into st. Got busted open for and that was the one where blah all was basically Shadow, but just made JD certain losses bracket. Yeah none and then below you fucked around the I'm picking Devil. Jin got wax to these II little bit Brian and beat-beat of the skinny. Yeah. Yeah, and you know, that was Jay tee shirts only lost in the group and if what I kind of threw him into losses, which was a big deal and that put chicory and into winter, which is also a huge deal. Right? That is so cool. Well, you know kind of helped out entire country, that's all like crazy how like the round Robins effects so much and winners and losers will always liked it. Like hey you want I got you with the red balloon calling this kid over here for kids. She is when they showed the play Interview man. And with no be he's like, hey, man, I was talking about Pakistan a lot out there. But Tech is Origins are from Japan bro. That's just the Japanese games. I hope the Japanese players and myself do well and make into the top eight. That was no press. This of be before the fucking Grand Final dude. That's that group was a no be low high a wise honey. Jimmy J. Tran and Chanel fucking insane group, right? Everybody was like that is the group of death, right? I'm right and someone's gonna go for know you're right. If you saw the group has said someone's going forward that group. You don't want to believe this to birthday boy Chanel. You had America's sweetheart Jimmy J Tran and then you had low high wise honey, like one of the favorites to take the whole thing right with the Akuma shit and Ma my God, that shit was insane she was but then you have no be twt freaking world champion evil Champion coming back. Just sweeping everybody. He was on a tear that day dude. Nobody was so hot. It was I feel like yeah, I feel like throughout the year. We've been saying like man, what happened in Japan? Where is team your mama? So they've all like kind of fallen off the radar a little bit, you know like these to be sold. Nate I felt like that nobody was a winning anything what an OB win this year. It doesn't matter. The fact is Japan had better results this year throughout the entire year than they ever had at least compared to last year. They were more consistent top aides right? Because last year it was all Korean dominated every fun topic was I talking Morty I'm talking about your monster not Japan then you said you said I love it. I misspoke I misspoke. That's what I'm trying to say. And II only agree with that with talking. Okay? Okay. No be the power of just yet, but I thought the no be in the finals here was like the no be of old man had also and that's because I was not shocked at the way. No be played because I'd seen him throughout the entire year play. So well, it's just he hasn't really caught on to like the one big victory. So I was like, when are we sweating like that? And he has the capability of doing it then it's hard to stop that man. Because he's gonna back should we blow on negative? Yeah. Yeah, if he's feeling himself, he's feeling himself and if he's reads are right, he's we trees are right. Yeah, that shit was tight. And then the fucking you know, Jimmy and Chanel didn't make it out unfortunately, but we had low High versus a wise and that was like the qualifying match. Right? And that was the last match of that pool on the way it ended well, and we also rip and I had special special seats for this match. Oh because we were right in the middle like kind of in the second or third row. Hmm the road right in front of us. Every single Pakistani player. What is this one guy was crazy. He was cheering his whom are right. Oh, yeah, you can see him on the stream to he's like actually jumping. Yeah like anytime anytime he they want around he would just stand up turn around the entire crowd here in the second row instead back instead it if I didn't even see like Malala games like sit down there where my friends are Only because not only would they there but then it's also you had you know, no be double and chicken it right for some reason all of a sudden Japan started getting out. Oh, dude, you can hear it to that shit was sick man. Yeah. I was like you were straight were watching it on the screen. I love that energy and we're dude. It was like we can when you heard Japan go like start cheering go crazy just felt like having a heard them being that loud in a while I missed that. I'm A Cloud Japan fun doing car. Wheels out there. Yeah, like what the hell that was tight. And you Mike and I were talking early the end of that match low highs allies on he's crazy. Right if you guys remember clutch as shit from low identicals it out Ricky mention. We're in that front seat. I forgot Ricky but because I haven't got through my footage yet. Oh, no, I have to I have a 360 camera that recorded the very end of that match with and that I don't think about play some other stuff up. They'll probably the first 360 video. I put on YouTube you guys don't know 360 footage you can basically look around in the footage. So I'll put that one hopefully next man would be so and that man just like a minute whatever so you can like look around at everyone's reaction in the hole with the amphitheater while that should happen. It's tight. Yeah, great. I know for next year's twt. I request a VR just like camera someone does a great the middle of the crowd. Oh, yeah, look at where the little Oculus headset and just said look around forever home. I'll be sick. Yeah, that means you know, whatever will make it happen. Well, yeah, those were your top a qualifiers and then on to the neck, you know, the final top eight. What did you guys think? How did it play out? What were some upset? What was some great stories there man? Hmm drop off the results. The thing the thing is is that she could and definitely was probably the most slept on it. Honestly, you know, like not that I don't think like you remember how right we were talking about the lcq right and how everyone chose two players only one person chose Chicken in to win. So yeah and no one expected to win. Hmm. And like I said, it's on, you know, he did so well in the group stage, right he come in loser bracket. He beat slow hi to one he beats. Too. Well, he beats Anakin to oh, he beats need 300 to get to the Grand finals like his run was crazy. And then you get three of the fucking chick her and dude now children, it's weird because like so like this we just had item winning. No one really thought was gonna win Capcom cup we had chicken and winning. No one really thought he was gonna win them. Yeah, such a weird year. Yeah like a good start. But then in the middle of the he went to Pakistan got his back blown out by 16 year olds a node and now he's winning time. World tours. It's something else. Maybe you know, sometimes had to go outside and practice something happened. Definitely, you know, the remember when we had jdc are in the boom cast last time right and he asked them what group you're going to choose who did he say, he said anything and that's got a limited seven place. So that's unfortunate, but then and can played no be and that was probably the This match in the whole topic for me is Anakin was getting blown up. He was Chanukah head he was dead. And then that every time you the bottom window is like delayed Hopkins was like, yeah, that's it. That's it. No peace on and it doesn't you gotta read that. I talked to Anakin about it. Anakin said that that's old. He said nobody's been doing that true forever. Like he always does that to a halt telephony History Nice. Yeah, so chicken wins. We teach happen again, you know Ricky's tricky said it only one person picked up in our like, you know, our pick of pools or whatever when everyone tried to pick two people who they thought was going to win only one person out of everyone thought chicken was gonna win the thing he does when it I don't think anyone picked ulsan to get second place either, you know him to win it ended up getting runner-up that's pretty wild to congratulations to ulsan as well. Like that was nuts to old songs. So young new school Korean and then we have me, you know, rounding off the top three there that's third place again. Lastly certainly only week. Placer from from from last year, right? Everyone's every every place is different but knees and third place in both ears. Yeah, and the thing that we should that's interested note here top 8 0 Pakistan, which was a huge shock. I don't think anyone would have called that out before we went to the final ride like after especially I feel secure like there's another Paxton now, we've got three Pakistan and so they're going to be three separate groups. So be mostly saw the group place with you're like, all right, we should get at least a couple in there. Right none. None of them. That was a a huge baby and they didn't even have to eliminate each other. Yeah, that's the craziest part but you know new stage and then they just started traveling. So I'm pretty damn sure. There's still going to be a force to be reckoned with come 2020 this glitch. What is gonna be so story still continues? It's not over yet. I mean congratulations to Namco Bandai Namco because they announced also at TW T. Not just new characters twt 2020 like yes, sir. And Starts on for 2020 and Steve's back one is plus 69 on counterhit. I'm starting to see a trend here at Namco sound like the error Subs. I think that laws dragon tail might be a 16:9 frame startup. You know, that might be a pretty solid. That's just funny. But yeah also with twt. Congratulations to all the finalists once And she couldn't ulsan me shout outs to Anakin, you know and shout out to Jimmy J last year, right? He got bit placed America's still holding down a job might be so bad this year. Don't even get a shout-out for last year. Yeah. I was watching Bronson just fall apart dude in the Stream. Oh, so so I don't want to clarify. It's not on 4/20. 2020 it's I never said that wasn't my can say that I don't mind your Michaels our hearts that correct. Mike said it's on for 2020 the year exactly. It's April 2020. That's always say. Yes. All right, it's not for / 20/20 know. Yeah, there's more 320 anywhere. There's only two 2020 but also congratulations to all the competitors once again, but moving on they also Ricky. It's your boy be quick is oddly. Like I don't know. It's just fun. I can't really like say anything other than I'm happy. You know. Yes. I am happy to be playing man that has done me nothing. So I finally saw the clip of you running around back or oh, yeah, that was doing the reveal. Yeah that was tight. Yep, but Sheriff Esteban forgetting that I need from you. I you was recording a reaction video and she was like, who's that crazy person running in the back. Who's that kid in the back, right the guy in that building? Yeah. He's out has a new look looks great. Pretty much. You know, he's a fun ask character. I think everybody's been really enjoying them but storms rolling on the floors all that stuff still still a very fun character, but also two other characters, we got Leroy Smith. We also got blessed by his theme song that we've all been enjoying so much man, Ricky, I'm gonna play the song is that you know, everyone loves it. Yeah. I didn't know that that is that the song that's on that stage Dragon's Nest if you get to final round a potential fire, I say the lyrics every time mmm, it's good. It's solid solid word. It's I it's not die and then they showed us the new character. We all I think a lot of people thought I was Bruce right and look like variance in the beginning. Hmm, you know, yeah dude that as soon as we saw the new trailer course, you see Marta beating the shit out of armor King, right and then we happen to notice. Huh? This stage has a lot of Buddha statues. And of course, it's Highland, of course and all done that Banger came on, right that beggar was like we were like, what the hell? Hello. Copter and you were able kept saying is I'm bog. It's Bruce then all of a sudden he's here dude. That was crazy. You guys could say it. You know, I don't do I thought it was Bruce to I think everybody was like bruise you saw the hand wraps and so much like wait a minute. This guy's huge. What's going on? Why Bruce tied up? He's not that dangerous, right? But that and then you see mardik right stand next to Fokker ROM or five combat bomb. I don't know how Announce it exactly one of those gotta be right around careful. I'm just going to call him. Fuck. Okay Mah from there we go. Can we just do it? Like how ignorant like people did it when we couldn't pronounce horology we call Bob. Yeah. That's what I thought. He was K Bob right? That's what we called them know we call them. Okay, Bob as soon as regular Bob came out, right because we had Fram we call him Tae beom he was Korean. But yeah, he's he's tied Bob. Hi Bruce. Out of that battle battle make everyone happy damn tie a bowtie Bruce everything man. He's time for Bruce. Yeah, that's just off the procedure stands. It looks thick though. I'm I can't wait for him to come out and then for him to be hella cheap, too. I want he did you sleep. Did you guys see the cinematic trailer? Is like the Gameplay trailer height difference are bokram and like Marduk like everyone sighs like what do you think? They're gonna change that or they're going to let her I don't know. I want to be taller. I want to be taller too. I want to tag to me in the light bar. It's all the angle. It's the way like the camera Rose from behind Marduk to make them. Nah, man, me and Rick the final film that shit and didn't were saying it's like Myspace angles. They got the you know, the tricks that I've little unfair I was the short one and I ducked out to get the cash. Camera good didn't work. You can't we were trying to make it like actually a terrible director dude. Yeah, he's probably dead. Now. You got to meet it though. This character is could be a remnant of the remaining things about cigar because I that's what I initially thought when I saw those bodies on stuff right the biggest We went to a Muay Thai fight, right and Michael Morey and the team were all there which looking back. It's like, oh that makes a lot of sense. You guys are making it. You know Muay Thai character. Of course, you guys are coming real fights and check this out when you're in Thailand, but you know Michael more he's obviously into Muay Thai and everything. So I think that they watched a lot of techniques and but I think you know stuff like the tiger knee is the only that really signals like Sagat to me. Yeah, really signal psychiatrists same fighting style. Right, but I'm saying like it's a tiger knee and office of muy muy Thai technique. I was sure thinking that much about going to lose because he does have like you could say that right like about the move stuff and yeah the size the figure the the model of the character and like yeah. Yeah something angry scar activate. Yeah. Yeah a little bit little bit here and there it looks cool though. I'm definitely going to give them a shot. He's gonna be fine. But right now, you know, a lot of Leroy things on the twitterverse and all that we which we won't get into too much here. I luckily got yeah we got Talk about or to do real quick, right but really quick on Leroy. I'd like to say I seen a lot of people complaining on Twitter about him. Right? And I think that a lot of people aren't realizing that this isn't like the old days of tech in this is not like an arcade release where it's D are released and now we're not going to live with this with three years, you know, like there will be bouncy. Like I'm not saying don't complain. I'm just saying just keep in mind the game is getting patched nowadays. Like it's very common. We get back to the game. Now. This did not exist years ago when we had arcade only release His right. So yeah, I mean it's okay to freak out, you know, stay with you mean to say but yeah, but exactly what better time to make a change. Yeah, what better time to have the world try out the character to see what the problems are. You know, it's just like old beta test back in the day. They put it out in arcades first and they bring it on the console or you know, I guess just same old things like old times. But yeah, it's a little bit more vocal know with the whole twitterverse. But just remember the community is the testers now. Yeah, like we we play the Modern Age. Yeah, we were We like literally right down and say look this seems a little off. You know, let's just put it out there but you don't have that like Tweety erotic my Kamar Aiken say like why are you here Injustice character the match up man. Both of our whack Tech that does. Yeah. Come on, dude. Come on - I won't say which what I saw but there's a shit. Where is like, all you do is XY and Z and this clip shows it and that clip didn't show X Y or Z. Yeah, so we got a couple topics and we're going to get right into it. These are all categories for The best whatever's of the year so starting it off best. Yes, then T of the Year. All right, that's the end of the year. What are going to be our like choices here. I'm gonna bomb nominated combo breaker dammit. That was my choice that I could be those evil. Okay. Evil. What about you Ricky and I say t is T TT finals. What about let's see. Let's see the chat chat. What do you guys think? I'll give you guys two more you guys got you guys got like five seconds, though. Where we do the graphic screen rip, can we swim? Yeah. Somebody said rev major. Okay, the combo breaker Red. Mage was pretty sick Strong Style. Okay. Here we go. So now I'm going to say you guys have one more to vote start voting now boom that work in the chat. Yeah. All right. Let's go everyone get in there get in there vote. Damn, that is tight. We this is the number of dog back up in the he's all right. I was getting it ready. All right. Can you put a minute on these? I think we gotta put 30 second. I can't records in the lead right now Strong Style. What percent right now, but OK pending go. Here we go. Everybody breaker combo breaker with a commanding lead next runner up Strong Style. Wow. All right that the winner. Yep. Yes, here. It is Mikey. It's gonna work. I'm just gonna blow up my screen event. Best event of the years the combo breaker. I think we Have all you yeah, you did you dude. Look. Hey, look my computer died today. I do this like a 10 minute before we started the show. It's working. I'm not gonna get got look like some Ella that's not my God. All right, wait, wait, let me look. We gotta say thank you to her. Do you know for do combo breaker was amazing? Hell yeah, it was he one is a real. Reason why it won. It was an amazing event. I didn't have a chance to check it. It's definitely he's got next year you guys check it out because it is such a great event. I've been seeing all the tweets about the yeah. Absolutely. Yeah, it's if you're a player for fighting games, you will love this event. I just gotta say it was definitely a tournament for the players. And if you're a player that just loves to play perfect. Perfect. Yeah rip you all Rick a boom pin. That's that's the trophy a all right Boo. Will be later. Alright next category like this moment of the year. I nominate Rick's Taniya combo breaker the super the slow-mo super you guys. Remember? I nominate low high and built a slo-mo ray Dart. Yeah. That's analyze right - yes. Is there any other any other options here? What other options are there hype is that but then check came in and took all the Highlight because he was the one to close it out. Even then you can give me which one Shadow versus arslan at TW T was a good was that high? It was high because Steve almost tore out chairs from the audience. Alright Shadow versus arslan Steve almost tore off your arm after them about people say Nevis and can a combo breaker. That's kind of like match know the mass of the Earth are those imagine we have one category gonna like moments of the year though. I sniff. Single moment at which clip if it can be in a 15 seconds, which clip all the super Akuma combo. Oh, yeah. Yeah Cherry Berry mango where he jumped over his down forward one. Yeah. Well, I'm that like set the world on fire in a coma for that moment, right? It really did. That was the one that was the one I think those are our top three, right? Yeah. People are saying Steve ripped my arm off that was in height those stupid. Nanny Dragon combo I like it the down forward one for down Portland for All right. I think we're good pics right there. All right, here we go guys starting the pole. You guys ready ready get that pole is going I gotta vote. I got it. I got opposed to pull position. Oh goodness vote. I gotta start editing. My ward Rick's tiny the super in a commanding lead. No no. dude It's all right. So the polls are in it looks like it's going to be Ricky and need the super at a commanding 77% my over the next closest runner-up with the loja a wise rage art moment. That's what I voted for. That was dominant. You ready Mikey? All right. I'm ready. What are we getting better at this? We are getting good. We're getting Ricky do your thing shut up boxy for picking Brian making that match interesting because it was any other character. It wouldn't have been that interesting. Thank you for trying to style on me and thank harada for making super Invincible or some shit after like that was tight. Now that was awesome my finest moment of the whole year for sure. I think a lot of people agree. I wish I honestly I'll be honest if that if that had not had like if that had happened Opened and I won I would have been so mad dude that moment when you activated the super right and then you hit me with that you look back you and you look like you're on a price is right, right, and everyone was released the car, right? When I thought I honestly thought I was dead. Number one. I should have never looked at and number two. I should have never looked at me. I fucked up by looking at me because I was like I look at be like did you see that shit if he looks just stayed at the Screaming Meanie initially had like he got hit by the super in real life. He was like deep throat. Yeah. Yeah, he broke his composure. He was like Gila rolled his eyes to the back of his head. Yeah or something serious like it was like, oh God. It just hit me. He got it was so good. Yep. Do and then from like being in the crowd perspective. I was just like what's happening. Is that the Rage or is that a Teleport? What's happening? Is that brand new car? Thank you guys so much for the award. It really means a lot to me. All right. Congratulations right one card on it. All right, so onto the next Food Nia boom pin. Yeah not something to be on a pint. Yes next one. Most exciting player to watch whoo most exciting player. I think I'm gonna nominate I musician right who you that would give my nominating. Yes. I musician. I will nominate. Double that's a good one too. That is good. I like both of those guys are so lame shit. So you like arslan - yeah Advanced player watching him just dissect players is the most amazing thing I've ever seen like good players not jobbers. I'm talking about good players. And I think it's a the John. I see a lot of John's and Jimmy. Yep. Yeah, yeah, I'll put the John and Jimmy those sound good Jimmy J trying to John right? Here we go chat sub starts know what start told now. I don't know what I said Leroy's song in the background. I gotta start editing the warrant God damn it. You're Eagles price more than feelings hurt. I just want peace. Oh my god. Oh shit. Oh shit. Yeah. Go. Hope man. Who's it gonna be most exciting player player of the year most exciting player of the year. I'm adding to be hard to beat this guy. Yeah. Yeah, he's commanding lead. It seems like everybody on these poles so far its dominance asserting dominance right now isn't even right. So it's the reason why I'm using so entertaining is because you don't know if he's gonna kill you or he's gonna kill ya and he plays the perfect character for that. Yeah. Mmm, and he's the only yoshimitsu player I chooses infant stages and I love that about it. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, that's crazy. All right and the winner Is 3 2 1 Mark, you ready to bloom all those setups all those resets at the wall or in the open? Yeah, he's been really pioneering a new generation of fucking Yoshi players to start coming out. So good shit shit shit. All right, which one's match like beat them. Damn. What who said that? Oh, yeah. That's right. So why? You gotta like take his power away like that. Yeah, we just gave him the boom pin and took it away. All right coming up next exciting match of the gear the whole Mac upset. Anakin versus me combo breaker. That's a great one. Oh God. Okay. Well the cranachan. Yeah common breaker. Yeah. That's a big match of the year. I The Anakin no be and the wise honey versus low high matches from final two. Pretty darn good. Yes, you guys think the of different math of the year though. I think all I'll wise. Yeah. What? Oh, hi wise. Marsland Jimmy. Evil, Japan. That's a great one when they got tasty Steve kicked out of evil Japan. Oh, yeah. People still believe that. Anything else got three there. We got four. We have Anakin need combo breaker low high o wise and T 2 BT and Kenobi A TT and arslan Jimmy at evil Japan. It's hard to remember that far back, right? I can begin to hear that word that we were forgetting about to arseny a TiVo. That's a pretty big one. Yeah the grand finals right behind ya that was storyline with the everything's really good. Yeah. This is the arthanari of all right guys. Paul is live go. About go go go match of the Year. Oh, damn. That is so hard. Yeah, this is what actually I don't have an immediate answer to that is so hard. Oh man, personally. I'm gonna go with the Anakin need combo breaker. To be honest. I think that's my choice. Yeah. That one was our salt. There's so many good ones. I'm gonna go with arslan and knee and evil because that is our first time to meet ya there. That's the big big boys. Without it the first time I put it on. I think he lost to Arsenal and I think in the grand scope of I'm not trying to sway the boats, but I'm always gonna be close. Yeah, honestly, I'm not like the meaning of the whole thing before and after and yeah, it's I think yeah, it's pretty close its close one. This is the closest one we had get and Heaney combo breaker or are selenia Depot down to one vote. Wow, one vote who's got a few seconds to go. Oh my God, I got this work for And we have the winner. That's right. Oh my God, I thought I put it in wrong. I was like, oh shit, I gotta fix it from three five. Three, two, one hears the word Mike three, two, one of the year and again Andy nicely done. Yeah. Sure. That's it was incredible. That's that was incredible. What's the next one? Mike next one. We are almost done two more. Left breakout Player of the Year. This is the player who has been in the tea to between the past but did way better this year. So I'm going to nominate someone like double. This is my second one my for me its shadow. I was asking that I would say she couldn't for taking the whole thing at the end after and she couldn't also is up there too. Oh man. What about Old Saint? Is he considered one of these? Yeah, I would put it. Is for the next one? Okay. Okay. Alright. Okay. That's a good start on this one too. I think he deserves to it's hard to say you can yeah Anakin's also an option, right? Oh, yeah, Attica definitely a breakup lady. That's a great one an account was so he was good before but this year like it's because I thought and last year, right? Yeah, I'll bet although I got think he's going to save them but the opportunities though. Yeah, like he was he basically almost did last year though, like so I don't think he really broke out. I think he broke out last year and this year was kind of like the you know, like oh, yeah there that's what you should have been last year. We got a wise honey and AK, you know Aki second. Yeah, and and I think I think I think it's I think it's okay. Yeah, I think because I think we will first of all we have and we have five people can put on your right. So it's double Shadow chikku and Anakin a case what I got listed. So if you guys want to swap one of those out for someone else that's what we got to do at this point, but I think AK because AK is like Evil, Japan runner-up, you know Delta cute runner-up. It's like a fax that wasn't around. It was a case you are right one thing but Pakistan wasn't in the middle when he wasn't winning tournaments. You think he's right. Well, so who do you want to put in the less than who you want take out. I'll give you 10 seconds to decide because we're running out of time. I'd like seven months of whole show left and I'm bouncing. All right. Let's see. Hmm. Well, just leave them. Sorry the ball break up day of the year. I'm going with all this is freaking hard. I want to put cuddle core on their damn. This is hard. Oh man, this is crazy. People are Shadow with a commanding lead now and I can kind of never know what's gonna happen here. Thank you. Always forget that they're hella good hmm. Looks like Paul is about to end in a second. Five four three two, it looks pretty commanding at this point. It's gone. Alright be Shadow three boom. Congratulations Shadow for the breakout Player of the Year. All right of the evil, Japan and people check our blame like high final category. Yes, sir. The final final one. We want to give it up to the Rookie of the Year. When I think I think this is like Ricky. As also on yeah, I've been - I think is the Rookie of the Year album put him in this I think it's mainly packs that you what about gehen wheat gained wide been a breakup players can write up again. And he was so close is he was gone for a while, right? Yeah again is a rookie just because he has a really participated in yeah allies. Honey has to be in here. I think yes because he qualified him finals in his first year to it's crazy. I mean he had more one more at 'if anyone at the John or hero. LOL, yeah, I could be any one of them write any one of those guys Tim yeojin. It doesn't know who your job. Yeah. Yeah, dude, he won. He won the other word that we gave out earlier before the show. It was the Lui G Heart Lord of the year for the best gigas in the world. The only gay since he was a rookie because he wanted match event. You guys are right. All right. Yeah starting the boat Ricky the are there you go. And also Nash gehen a wise honey, or a teeth, but get it up. This is a hard one to it's not gonna be that hard. Yeah, I think it's very very difficult. I don't know that the vote the vote is going to be heavy wave. I think it's closer than it's gonna look at the end. Yeah, dude. This is like the most and man your dominant. It makes sense, right? Yeah. I think this pretty much solidifies this final award. I think we have to give this one to have to have to get this. He's the one that shook shook it. There's a whole Tekken world. Yeah, this is a dominant years. Yeah. It really shifted everything. Right? Hmm started this tournament thinking there's a hidden there's a hidden, you know Village out there Pakistan with that's hella good right and then you shifted all the way to the end. What's like your pants back? Fuck what the fuck just happened? Yeah. Yeah. Rookie dear. Arslan - until we got a white screen that or something make it big. There you go. Yeah. You gotta be rookie. I mean look those other Esports award shows, you know, they've been around for what two years level begin with 10 years man. This Awards way more prestigious, even though don't look it's this little graphic is worth way more than all the other bullshit. Yeah. Oh, there's wave less spelling errors that's impressive. I know that everything right got the Press is waiting for the pictured I go with my goes. Yeah. My production coffee is better than whoever can. And else picture of the yo, hey for real though. I got to go in two minutes. So I think yeah, that's pretty much it for the show. We only have like bitch Collins left. Okay, let's do the follow me at I'll try to do it real quick reap all at twitter.com slash free Paul and twitch.tv slash level up your game Ricky you can find on that re CK Rick Steves even freeze. Fuck it. I think I'm stupid Pakistan the he's put it back on. So I got it, please. All right, so, can you do yours I can't do it. Okay, so good Twitter and Suka user ad switch guys follow me there and you can follow me at twitch and Twitter. / the name is NYK and all right. Left Behind segment what you guys have? I'm gonna put Capcom cup production quality and you guys can double down triple down or quadruple down on this one if you like. Yeah. Now that was that's a solid one for right now. Nothing else is really happening. I mean Thailand was amazing. I got to say I got really sick from it though. So whoever my last masseuse was she was wearing a mask. It was a bad side Jesus massage that shit right in me. So I've been I've been contaminated. Wow, a lot of good feelings. So I'm gonna leave her behind but Thailand was tight. Thailand was sick. I enjoyed it a lot. I feel great behind because I'm again you nice nice. Also, by the way, we didn't mention it. But Tito Boutique next year the finals guaranteed to be in north or Central America or South America. Ought to be crazy. It's in the Americas Next year that really nice shit. Ow, Sookie Capcom cup, that's like the biggest one everyone hated it the community but we hated that what happened to you hated what happened? A lot of people like the to yeah the bad stuff. Yeah Haney the bad stuff. Yeah, exactly. Alright guys, that's gonna be a thank you guys for watching all year long. We'll see you guys back in 2020. Boom boom. Love you guys pizza, please. Hey guys where y'all? Which is got the beat drop. All right. Peace out guys.

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This is the lightning junkies podcast with your host Chaz crypto set on this episode of the podcast. We have motherfucking Matt Odell co-host of the Tales from the Crypt podcast. We talk about why exchanges suck we talked about BTC pay quite a bit and we talk about privacy quite a bit.We might throw lightning in there a little bit too if we can help it for the sake of brevity. I'm going to skip all the introductory shit that I typically put here at the introduction. I'm going to put it on the our trip. So let's go ahead and jump into the episode. I would like to go ahead and welcome mat Odell the lightning junkies podcast. How you doing, Matt? Be happy to be here. I'm very happy to have you on here man. It's a you know, everyone knows you from Tales from the Crypt. I you know, I've definitely listened to the you know that podcast quite a bit. I don't really remember exactly how you got into Bitcoin and the podcast movie probably have said it a million times. I probably just missed it. Do you want to just let my listeners know, you know how you got into Bitcoin and that whole thing? Yes our main, but I actually the only time I really ever talked about in the Pod was the first episode I was on and that was like as a guest Like in the interview series and then I our HR came later our weekly recap K. Maybe like five months later six months later. I had I had two friends tell me about it. The first friend told me about it in 2012. He was you know, it was College. He did way too many painkillers and told me about the Silk Road and I discovered it off, you know, I thought it couldn't really work the government would shut it down. Someone would shut it down. Or the money would be stolen. It just didn't really, you know that the usual scoff and then in early 2013. I had another college friend tell me about it. He was like a straight edge. Here's a straight edge nerd and it was like a completely different type of person to tell me about it. So I was like, maybe something's here. And then there was that first 2013 run where the price went to 250 like really really quickly for maybe like $30 or something and obviously that caught my attention. Soon as well. And then the rest is just been history. I basically just since then I've just been trying to figure out how it couldn't work. And that just made me love it even more. All right, you know, it sounds pretty similar to I think you know how I started, you know Silk Road 2013 when you first jumped into it. Did you kind of take the normal path that I think a lot of people take where you start trading where certain mining or start doing, you know all the different things that the little space we have here kind of has to offer, you know, I didn't really Lee, you know, I've we didn't call it stacking SATs back then but that's kind of how I jumped into it, you know dollar cost averaging sure. It was really it was like hard to get Bitcoin. So I was just trying to get some basically I did try Cloud mining which no one should ever do that was a really bad idea lost whatever I put into that. I realized pretty quickly that I sucked at Trading. Was that I would just I sucked at buying you know, I just I was like I felt like almost like every time I bought like the price dropped in my 2014 and 2015. So I just assumed I couldn't really ever trade. I just ignored that whole aspect. It was always to me it was always this seems like the best money we've ever had I should probably try and get as much of it as possible while still like being responsible and I think read it back then was actually pretty good about instilling that notion into people that like don't put in more than you can afford to lose be responsible about it. It was almost more the like twenty fifteen to twenty late 2017 area where everything just got like a little bit ridiculous when people were saying, you know trade this shit coin trade that shit coin use leverage. So I mean, I think that's a very interesting contrast comparing the late 2013. Out to the late 2017 run up, you know your present for both. You know, what other ways would you you know really contrast those two different run-ups. I can't really remember too many people from 2013 caring about Litecoin for example, but I guess we did have something like Dogecoin at the end of 2013. Yeah. I mean the only the only alt back then there really anyone was paying attention to is like coined I would because I remember because people were speculating that I was going to get added to mount Cox and two weeks and that That was like a big source of Pomp and clearly never got out of the mount cocks Mount Galaxy went down shortly after but I remember people saying that and then Dogecoin did have its moment in the sun there. I remember it. It had more hash rate than light Litecoin at one point. Then they switched it to merge my own there was some craziness there, but the big difference really was etherium like once that once etherium pumped there was just so much money sloshing around these people who had bought a theory. I had and I just feel like they just went into everything. There's just thousands of coins. I don't know if we'll ever see anything like that again, but that was I remember I mean during periods of 2017. I was just sitting there. I was like am I crazy? Like it Am I Wrong Dua is there's this whole new asset class that's blowing up and it's just going to be you know, billion-dollar chains left and right. Is that really what's going to happen or these is the world going to get tokenized and I just thought I was crazy, but fortunately I Don't get fooled by the greed there and I was able to you know, protect myself. Do you think we would have had the run up at the end of 2017 at ethereum never, you know existed? Yes, but maybe it wouldn't have been so extreme. You know, I think I tend to I don't know about the stock to flow model or whatever, but I tend to believe that like Bitcoin is designed to pump forever just and and it's but it's volatile in the short term and it just Nets up. Whether that has to do with the having's and whether there are priced in or not is kind of irrelevant to me. I think the whole system has designed some more people buy it should go up as the supply the new Supply decreases and equivalent amount of demand side should push the price up. So I think we would have went up regardless probably not that extreme. The other thing that I think was a big deal was the Futures products like the CME and the CBOE adding because I mean we had like what there was like, Ten days or 16 days above 10K and it all coincided with the I mean if you disregard the most recent run-up, but it all coincided with those Futures launches and I didn't expect them to launch. So I mean and then I would go against people who say like, oh the Futures product when they release they crash the price of Bitcoin. I think we probably wouldn't have had 20 or like near 20 if they hadn't launched in the first place like just the hype of them launching. But yeah, definitely aetherium brought a lot of Tension to the space and a lot of that went into Bitcoin but a lot of it didn't write so it was definitely it was definitely an extremely interesting phenomenon. The whole like Ico corruption thing that happened was just really horrible to see and that was one of the reasons I my offset got destroyed because I was speaking up about it and stuff. There were so many newcomers that came in and just they just got like slaughtered on those things and they were just getting Shield left and right by people who had bags and it was just really painful to say do you think that We're ever gonna see a kind of similar Mania to the end of 2017 again. I don't know but probably maybe maybe not I am definitely I don't definitely don't think like this idea of like alt season is the thing I but I also am not the type of person that will say they'll be they'll never be shit coins. I think they'll always be thousands and thousands of shit coins and I think people like trading them because people like to gamble and I think it's like one of the Number one use cases, you know, one of the top use cases a Bitcoin is is to then, you know use it. It's like the reserve asset of this whole shit coin casino and you know at the end of the day, this is all well a lot of it is free open source software. So people can Fork it and they could do the all these different things and a lot of them are illiquid. So they end up pumping a lot more like we see like all these Shenanigans out of going on with Bitcoin SV right now. So yeah, I mean, I think we will see lots of pumps and lots of shenanigans, but I think at the end of the day for like 99% of people All dollar cost averaging Bitcoin will work out better for them. And I think that all these assets like I'm a long-term will try to 0 when priced in Bitcoin and I actually take like even more extreme view like I think like real estate and gold and everything else is also trying to zero in terms of Bitcoin. Well in terms of Bitcoin, I think I would agree with you there. Yeah, just to kind of double-check something here. Are there any other chains or tokens or coins or whatever, you know bullshit term you want to use that piques our interest at all in you know, it doesn't have to be Be you know as an asset or anything that you would recommend to anyone but just you know, this has cool technology, whatever there's a couple chains that I actively watch that I think they have some interesting things that could be I think of altcoins kind of as like this test bed. It's a basis like a like a massive bug Bounty program that's being run by all these people who are valuing short-term over long-term, but Bitcoin can take a lot from those real-world experiences as we see them and there's an incentive to break them. Because there's money on the line. So it creates this pretty interesting phenomenon stuff like that. We like argued theoretically about why a large block size might be an issue and then we see it unfolding in aetherium right now right where you see people are having trouble writing notes. You see the nodes getting centralized like among in furor and stuff like that. You see what happens when we have like if there's like a culture where you can just have hard Forks all the time, and I think we'll have even bigger lessons there, you know. We saw like stuff like the theorem classic attack where the nodes got two clips attacked was like really interesting I think and I think big Corners can learn a lot from stuff like that. So I definitely like keep an eye on some projects. But as far as like my portfolio is concerned just a Bitcoin guy. And as far as I would never I never liked I only talk about the ones that are doing really bad things because I don't want to this they're just very illiquid and I don't want to you know, move markets or anything like that. I think we should go ahead and move on there. I think that's too much. Think about non Bitcoin things and on the lightning things. We should have more lightning talk here. So the great something that I'm kind of looking at on my desk here and I think something that you just recently received as well is the new Samurai knodel. Is that right? Yes. Yes the novel Dojo. Yeah, correct. Have you had a chance to set Yours up yet? Yes. I have it's very it's very easy to set up. You said you have one too. Yeah. I just received it yesterday. I have not had a chance to actually do anything with it. Great. You gotta plug that baby in well, yeah, that's you know got it late last night and you know doing something else. So I was like, I'll just do it something had some time today, you know, it's still like the first gen of the the UI software whatnot because he, you know, just trying to get them shipped out and he will update them. I mean, do you have the original model? No, I never got around to getting the noddle when I heard that they were building a samurai version. Yeah. I was like, I'll just wait for that and then you know, it took a minute for that to happen. So in the original novel Great. I've always had great experiences with it and it's proved improved tremendously since when I got it the software the UI on the new noddle is a little bit more Rough Around the Edges because his priority was getting Dojo up so you can run lightning and Dojo but he has a lot more updates coming soon. I mean the crazy thing to me is you know from a privacy standpoint. The number one most important thing you can do is use your own note and like most people are storing on Hardware while it's up until like relatively recently. It wasn't user-friendly at all for people to access their Hardware wallets using their own node. I mean, I'm sure your listeners know but the reason why you'd want to do this is because if you're if you're using someone else's node that node seize all your transactions in your balances and your address is they see everything so like you have a key trusted third party there and what a lot of people were doing was they were many of you use Ledger or or treasure with their corresponding software. Those companies are getting all of your information and then a lot of people that were Or hardcore we're using electrum, but they weren't using with their own election server and election observers are expensive to run. So the most people that are running them are probably chain analysis companies. So you're giving it straight to a chain Analysis company. So what's really cool about the the dojo whether that's in noddle or whether that's using like the ronon to lure the my node now is added it is that you're literally just scanning a QR code. That's very user friendly, especially from where we were before. I mean, even you can Have like I could have like friends and family scan my QR code and then they're instantly paired with my note. And yeah, they're trusting me but that's a way different trust model than using like Ledger's overs. I purchased the call. So when it first came out, how would you contrast those two? Because I feel like they have very different philosophies and my experience with the cost has been pretty pretty rough allows couple of months. I've probably not going to get too much into it on the podcast. But yeah, it's not the greatest experience, you know. What would you say on on your and yeah, I mean, I was always disappointed with the costume note. The main issue was that they shipped underpowered hardware and it really it really like it hurt the ux because the hardware so so underpowered, you know didn't have an SSD. It had an old Raspberry Pi and that's why I've loved my not allow I have both the original Casa and the novel I think the Nautilus is fantastic. I mean the cool part about it noddle is that it runs like all these different things, right? It runs like BTC pay runs L&D and It's all open, you know, like with the with the casa the cost of node you have to you have to use like their app. You have to use their extension. Like everything is siloed. They live they more like want to be like what the like apple of Bitcoin why like the novel is is, you know more open platforms more like Linux or maybe Android or something. And then the other thing I mean with the novel Dojo like they did the exact opposite. They made it like a premier like a premium device like the novel Dojo has to ssds. It that back each other up that are encrypted and they have a kill switch in it that if you open the case, it cuts the power so that you need the encryption password to access it. And the reason that's important is to fold is because our lightning nodes are holding funds in them. So if someone gets physical access to your device, they can take those funds and then also could do Whirlpool two different ways. You can either on demand mix on your phone or you can mix mix all the time and basically provide liquidity right where you're just keeping funds constantly Whirlpool Andre mixing them. So you're giving liquidity other people in your getting more privacy out of it in that case. The actual note is holding funds for that too. So it's got two big hot Wallets on it's got your lightning hot wallet and it's got your you're mixing hot wallet and those funds like you got to take that security seriously to fold which is the double ssds for backup and if something goes wrong and Then you have the encryption for someone like actually just grabs the device. I want to kind of just dig into lightning a little bit here. I hope I'm not moving too quickly through these subjects. Now. I'm having great time. Let's happy to talk about everything. All right, you know talking about the cost a little bit here. You know, I definitely did when I heard the first bought it, you know, I definitely did a like it overall, you know, it helped me to kind of get into lightning and understand that everything eventually started to move on to using AP TCP server as like my main lightning know just because the A cost of just felt too restrictive and being able to actually use my lightning node on the command line, but actually very helpful and just being able to understand how how it is set fees and stuff like that. How much time have you spent? Can I just playing around with your own like L&D node, you know whether it be on the nodal or some other setup. I mean, that's how I learned everything. Like I'm not I'm not like a talented programmer or anything. I was actually like bear some lightning until Maybe like January of last year and I just jumped in and just started playing around with it. And like I feel like that's like the best way to learn that's the best way to get comfortable with with anything and specifically with lightning like it's it's worked really well for a you know, what is an effect of beta product like it's works extremely well for my experiences and that's what gives me confidence and lightning as a technology as a Jazz the network, like I was raised from using it firsthand and actually seeing it work. Yeah, I would agree definitely, you know going to the lightning conference was an amazing experience because you know, we had a handful of things you could actually use lightning in the real world and hey, it just worked and there was you know, there were some hiccups that the Wi-Fi was wish it so it was a heart kind of hard to kind of get bandwidth anywhere but you know, you know when it worked it worked pretty well have you actually you know kind of talking about, you know, lightning conference? And you being able to use in the real world? Have you been able to use it in the real world at any kind of merchants or anything like that like a physical and physical sense? No, I don't. I mean maybe like like I've done payments to people like direct individuals. But I mean, I think it's really powerful in terms of in-person transactions. But I mean I still think cash is King like I'm an old-timer in that regard, but in terms of like online payments especially coupled with BTC pay it's pretty crazy. Like the the ux is fantastic and it's so rudimentary still it's still so early compared to to paying with Bitcoin or even like credit card like we're already there and they're just getting started and and that Merchants can just run they can just run this this software stack and PTC pay and they can just process all their own payments globally and not pay BGC pay a fee or not rely on any trusted third parties. Is like pretty fucking crazy. We never really had that like people would like post addresses and stuff. But we never really had that side of the software stack and then when you look on him from lightning, you know, I've used Jewel Willow Burns extension. It was like extremely seamless or even just using the phone apps with, you know, the QR code pops up on the screen and just scan it with your phone app. That is pretty satisfying to just like you get a green check right away. You don't have to, you know, even the invoice I like I kind of like the invoice System like now they're talking about getting rid of the invoice system. Maybe we'll have both but I kind of like that. It just pre-populates all my information for me even though like I hated bib 70 and policing but I don't know maybe I'm a hypocrite. They're part of the reason why I wanted to have you on the podcast I think is you know, I definitely like when you talk about the kind of cypherpunk future, you know coins everywhere lightning everywhere. Where do you see things kind of going in the next few years if things going to take a fairly ideal? A thin your eyes. Well, I mean the ideal path is I think a key thing here is is the US government continue to take a hands-off approach. And if you ask me like 2015 at the US government was going to ban Bitcoin just you know, forget what else they do. They just ban it I would have said it was like pretty pretty good likelihood and I think that's one of the reasons why the 2017 run was as crazy as it was was because people a lot of people came to the same realization as me that like all of a sudden like, oh, wow. We're getting Futures products. We're getting stuff like that. Maybe this one. And and the reason I bring that up is because I really do think our biggest ux hurdle is regulatory. Right like you can build a very pretty product that's easy to use if you're not worried about State resistance, but the second you're worried about like States different governments coming in and cracking down on this stuff. Then that's where the ux needs to be. You basically have to make creative decisions to try and keep a good ux and you know, like stuff like breeze has done like a really good job. That and they have their own trade-offs, right and they're obviously a centralized company. So like a really comfortable but it so it comes down to if there's a regulatory Crackdown and if there is like things could get dicey there for a while. I just think that's less likely than before. What I want to see is I think think it will happen is is stage will continue to restrict cash usage. It's not my specialty but like the economy just it seems like it's it's a little bit out of control. It looks like we're going to go to like negative interest rates and stuff like that. So they even more likely to restrict Cashmore. We've seen them restricted left and right both were privacy reasons, but I think the ulterior motive that they don't really talk about is is because they don't want you hoarding cash or gold in a negative interest rate environment where you're going to be losing money if it's in a bank, so in that situation, I think you see it. You'll end up seeing a lot of physical merchants and online Merchants spin up their own BTC pay instances to accept Bitcoin because they Want to get kyc free Bitcoin. I think the incentive is was always in Reverse like people thought like oh you can just get companies like bitpay to add merchants and then like that will help Bitcoin because like people will spend there but like those Merchants they didn't care about Bitcoin. It was just a gimmick for them. They were selling it for USD right afterwards. There's going to be and there's already already starting to see it happen, but there's going to be more and more Merchants who want Bitcoin that they have goods and services that they want to offer and they have And and they're going to offer discounts discounts if you pay in Bitcoin because they want that Bitcoin so badly and because it doesn't have kyc attached to it and big Corners will spend there because all the exchanges will be KY seed and they get a nice discount. There's like all these different thresholds that Bitcoin needs to pass that like when it grows up as it grows up, you know, and I think like the one of the big ones was like getting passed bit made in terms of Asics and like getting bad segue to X. I think one of these thresholds is really like we need to Get Bitcoin to the point where it's like a circular economy. I don't know if you saw like I had a poll recently on Twitter and like one of these things is like so I one of my main focuses is privacy because I think that's like if not big Bitcoins biggest vulnerability. It's one of its biggest vulnerabilities and one of the things I get as push back all the time is like, oh Matt Matt, like if you care about privacy like you shouldn't buy through a kyc exchange, but the thing is like it's way easier to say that than actually Do that and I think a lot of people say that but if you want to buy like any kind of if you want to buy large amounts of Bitcoin, like you're gonna you'd like pretty much a gonna get KY seed and the overwhelming majority of people that are buying Bitcoin right now are buying through kyc and all those people they're known actors now, right? Like they know their address is and they know how much Bitcoin that bought and they can then use all that data like chain analysis companies are basically building these massive data. That's where they combine all of that different data and they're able to track transactions that they might not otherwise be able to track through process of elimination, especially like if you start talking about like major governments, they have all these external surveillance they can do as well, you know, like location stuff like that all these different metadata that they're getting from people's phones facial scans and everything, right? So you mix that all together and they have these massive massive data sets and in like so I see Bitcoin being very vulnerable in that regard and one of the Biggest things that could improve that situation besides specific privacy tools like or enjoying it is a circular economy. And I think lightning is going to play a major role there because one of the issues is is you could have like great privacy, but then when you spend that's where you leak a lot of information is when you spend because you spend and it might be linked to an IP address. It might be linked to an email address a home address or office address. Where you getting mail. To so then you're trusting that Merchants with some of that information and then you usually get toxic change back and that change is linked. So if so, if you then combine that change with other funds you can develop some kind of idea of the rest of the person's wallet and we like obviously we can't be in that situation. We can't be in a situation where you pay someone and they know your salary like know your net worth like that's crazy. And I think lightning is going to play a big role there and that's that was another aha moment. I had like a year ago where I was like, you know, it's still early and no one should expect that you know, lightning is basically you should operate under the assumption is no privacy Improvement whatsoever right now, but I'm very bullish on it being a big privacy Improvement going forward, especially as we have like these multipath payments, but one thing to keep in mind here is like for instance right now, we have what 50% of the network is still being run through Ellen big which is like one actor who we don't know who it is. Like that's obviously not great. And then the other thing is like we need to make sure that we need individuals running nodes through Tor that are independent and the Run by unknown people and I think that's one of the great things that I really like about the Nautilus. I think it's awesome to build your own node. And I I tell everyone they showed, you know be great. My node makes it really easy now and you learn a lot more that way but what's really nice about Nautilus. The novel is a device that you can buy and you can connect it to a tour and you could be like a decent-sized routing node on the network. You can support the network and make it so like we can't have the situation where like the only lightning nodes running on the network are like bit refill bitfenix, you know Ellen big we can't we can't have like just because we got to make sure we don't hit this like hub-and-spoke type of situation and I think everyone can do their part by by running a Tor node. That's always on. If you're in a country that you know isn't going to crack down on any kind of tour usage which most of the western world doesn't care about as long as you're not running an exit node, like you should do that and that that really helps the network and doesn't have to be a lot of money like you can just put in whatever you're comfortable with. It just provides another path. I think you gave me a lot to kind of unpack there. So I'm going to kind of go back to the very beginning to do that. If you don't mind you kind of gave me the more idealistic situation there. You know, what if we get the less optimal thing here what if you know the US? As Government we would get someone else in the presidency who is just like, you know, fuck Bitcoin. I want this thing to die right now is on TV saying, you know, fuck Bitcoin. It's band, you know, we're going to go to all our other, you know friends in the world and make sure they banned Bitcoin to and we're going to go, you know and try to put the brakes on it at every single, you know on and off ramp possible could Bitcoin survive in that very adversarial environment. I mean, I think Bitcoin can survive But I think big Corners will get fucked hard. And I mean obviously meant matters where you live matters how you acquired the Bitcoin but and it'll definitely slowed down. It would slow down Bitcoin tremendously. I mean, this is one of these things is Bitcoin needs time. Right? So like if Trump gets re-elected, that's four more years. That's a lot of time in Bitcoin. You know, I don't like talking politics, but I think he's going to win again and this is his Focus isn't on bitcoin at all. I the game plan is it's a simple game plan. Most people are KY seed already governments will just this is if I was going to attack at this is what I would do. I would issue a law that said you had to disclose or ruling that said you had to disclose all your Holdings do they could even go as far as saying like give us specific addresses and how much you hold and then they'll catch some people lying about that right? Because they had this kyc info because people aren't using coin join because people aren't running their own nodes people aren't you know Cohen joined usage is still very low lightning usage is still pretty low. People are buying on kyc. Most people aren't running their own nodes and like so so like Ledger and treasure like I don't think they're logging. I'm not accusing them of logging but they could be or they could be forced to or their service could get compromised like to think about something like a treasure like they have people's home addresses and they potentially have all your addresses and all your balances, right? So all this information is out there. So people will undoubtedly try and lie about it. They'll catch a couple people. Lying about it and then they'll do something like show trials, you know, they did this with BitTorrent. They just they make an example out of a few people and then they scare the majority into compliance. And then from that point they know the majority of transactions going through the network and all of a sudden we get into like really dark areas where like they start trying to Blacklist transactions and do stuff like that and that they don't even have to ban Bitcoin in that situation. They could they could just ban essentially just banned selfie. City like you know, most exchanges wouldn't let you withdraw and then if you've already have the Bitcoin like you have to be giving disclosures every year that could be I think that's like the lowest hanging fruit. They could do that relatively easily most governments could do that relatively easily. You don't have to be a major government to do it. Could you see that environment or kind of world actually accelerating Bitcoin development in a certain way hardening it even more just because it is in such an adversarial environment. Well what I was kind of hoping for was and it didn't really come to pass. I was kind of hoping for some of these altcoins to get hit so that you know, you could have like a learning experience without the actual King Bitcoin get hit but it's weird does it hasn't seemed to happen. I mean they even give like they gave like EOS a slap on the wrist and like EOS was like like the old it's the ultimate shit coin like that was you know, I don't I don't know how that got a pass. So it it makes me think that at least the US government doesn't make a move in the US. It doesn't make a move like it gives us enough cover. But like if you like if you had a bunch of major governments make moves around the same time and like the Western world was all going after it and the Chinese continue to go after it like it would seriously hamper Bitcoin adoption at least in the short term. Yeah. I mean it would definitely get priorities straight again about what's important and why we why these things are built the way they're built but I think bitcoiners have a pretty good Focus about that already. D which is good to see stuff like they like the excitement around BTC pay like BTC pay is a product that's designed to work in that kind of environment. I mean, it would just completely destroy like the so called crypto industry like they'd be fucking done. There's like nothing there that's built for State resistance. Not even like etherium like etherium like as a network would probably just grind to a halt they were just like hit the major players and just or add kyc just like across-the-board like they couldn't they couldn't handle that so I definitely don't Think I'm not going to fall into the meme here where I would say, this is good for Bitcoin. It's better if there's no moves made but I think as like responsible bitcoiners. We should be considering this as a risk and you know Bitcoin is a voluntary system here. Like everyone has to take it into their own hands like it's going to come down to four individuals if that's the type of situation happens. Like it's going to come down to individuals protecting themselves and learning about different privacy pitfalls with Bitcoin and how they can improve their own privacy. Just be humble about it and just constantly learned otherwise like you're super vulnerable to your own government my coming after you and at the end of the day like what are we trying to do? At least I know what I'm trying to do. I'm trying to accumulate Bitcoin for my future family. And you know I said, I don't want to lose that Bitcoin. Do you think BTC pay server is one of the most important projects in the entire space.. Most important Project without a doubt. Let's go into a little bit more because we've touched on some pretty good reasons. Why That is I think for example with with my own podcast here, you know, I wanted a way to cleanse it because at the very beginning I was very anti sponsor and now I'm starting to begrudgingly accept the idea of taking on a sponsor the very beginning. I was like, Hey, I want to be able to accept Bitcoin and Bitcoin over lightning very easily. You know, I really had to pay a routing node on a nappy TCP server. So it was pretty easy to just you know, turn on there there there. Crowdfunding thing and just accept Bitcoin and Bitcoin over lightning through that. What are your kind of world? It kind of use cases. I mean obviously probably with the other podcast there. Yeah means we run BTC pay at the podcast. We also have ads basically like I completely agree with you that I ideally I would want my own podcasts to be no ads, but I think that and just contributor funded but I think like specifically with Bitcoin right now. It's like sats are Jeep you know let people accumulate now and we can move to a fully contributor model the future and it's nice that we have btz pads that option, you know, it's completely self Sovereign we can't get cancelled. Like we saw all this stuff getting cancelled on patreon, like people just livelihoods were getting removed for whatever reason do this centralized company and then patreon takes a takes a fee to and like they hold all of your engagement hostage. So be tcpa obviously provides a massive Improvement there, but I think yeah anyway, Online business obviously like it's just awesome that you and it's so cool that just go straight to your Hardware wallet. That's just that's exactly what we want. It gives a new address every time it supports lightning. It's like pretty easy to use. It's only going to get easier. We'll probably see like a bunch of people offering like hosted BTC pays which isn't like fantastic, but it's a trade-off and it will make it easier to use them and at least they'll be a lot more competition than just like a single bit pay or a single patreon. So I think that's a big deal that it'll fall. During competition there. And then I also think like I think BTC pay will be like the leading on ramp and off ramp for non KY seed Bitcoin users. I think from from an on-ramp point of view. It will be Merchants offering goods and services and getting paid in Bitcoin. And that's how they will accumulate Bitcoin just like we accumulate Fiat now we work and we get paid and then I think from an offer and point of view. It'll be people buying goods and services and you won't have to go into Fiat because you can just buy goods and services with your Bitcoin. And then just to add on top there. I think Merchants that have like their Overexposed to bitcoin. They have too much Bitcoin in there btz pay and unlike beat on like something like bitpay or even open node where they have Fiat connection Merchants don't have any Fiat connection there. So I think they actually become ideal they become ideal like almost like ATMs they're like foatx Yes, I think I've talked to the BTC pay guys a lot. They're working on ton of things right now, but I think it'd be cool. If they had a padded built into it where you were they're able to sell some of that Bitcoin for cash like on the spot and be able to reduce their exposure there and then the last last but not least is you know, we have this this thing pay join where you do a coin join with the person who's receiving the transaction from you and the biggest limiter to that is that it's interactive. So the Weaver needs to be online. So BTC pay servers always online. It's like an ideal situation where every payment these Merchants can be a coin and the nice thing there is the amounts are unequal. So it's got a way better heuristic profile than these like coin joints like that. We see with like whirlpool and wasabi that are just all equal amounts. What other projects do you see being on a similar level as BTC pay server? Is there anything even remotely close? That going to the heights of you know, lightning and things like that. Yeah, I mean Lightnings cool. Obviously, I'm bullish on Lightning. I don't I don't really think so. You know, I'm obviously I'm a big big supporter but Wasabi and Whirlpool, I think they're both in very important projects cautiously optimistic that joined markets going to get more friendly to use soon as you can see. I have a very very privacy focused. Oh, I really like I'm excited about Justin moons. Junction project and similar projects they're just basically and just hwi and partially signed Bitcoin transactions because the idea here is that if we can just have like a person run Bitcoin core on their computer and then they run one other piece of software and they're able to use like multisig Hardware wallets with their own node. That's pretty crazy. That would be a huge Improvement the current setup. We're like you're using a lecture room and you have to run an electric server and stuff is just way too difficult. Not happy with that. So I think that I think projects like that stuff. We see in like they age wi world the PSP T world where we're seeing like easier multisig with your own node that I want to see more of that but but nothing's on the level the like the singular level of BTC pay like BTC pay is an absolute Game Changer in so many different ways and just watching this developer Community grow up around it is just pretty amazing to watch. Yeah. Absolutely. There's so many good people over there that you know, I didn't hear hear about A couple years ago now they're in there, you know doing a million commits a day. I don't know how many commits a day they do but they do quite a bit, you know really pushing forward this the software project on many different levels. Like I think yesterday. I just saw that they added support for for liquid and doing stuff over there. Like I don't know how much I really care about liquid to be entirely honest, but it's something to play with I guess and something to a to look at. What's your opinion on liquid? It's not that You're sticking to me to be honest and I think before BTC pay server kind of adding support for them. They didn't really have a lot going for them. I don't even know who what you could even use that for other than if you were doing some kind of exchange movement, which I don't really do trades anymore. I don't I basically do what you do and just buy Bitcoin, you know, sometimes I sell it to play a play with different technology things move it on to the lightning. I might sell a tiny bit of Bitcoin to go by Litecoin to put like wine onto a Litecoin lightning thing and then see that there's nothing on there and then immediately close it out. So it back to bitcoin. I don't even know where I was going with that the main use for liquid. It makes a lot of sense to me. I agree with you that if exchange takes change. Yeah, and if you're doing that anyway, like the trust model where you have to trust like a like a threshold of exchanges basically like a majority of these regulated entities that are holding the multisig keys is not a bad trust model because you're already just trusting one of them there but like this hole II hundred percent C liquid people would be happy about BTC pay. It's obviously an improvement on their part. It's just good to be a part of that software library. But like as a BTC pay server guy that I like really like bczp. I thought it was a complete non story that they added liquid. Okay could care less right? And you know, maybe I'll change my mind if you can easily go in and out of liquid without kyc and with like without it like a Because I guess like right now like if you want to do that, you could go through I guess they're saying like side shift AI or I guess you could even go through bitfenix because they don't do kyc. But like that's just I'm past that point like I My Philosophy I seen so many exchanges fall down there My Philosophy is you know, any money you put in an exchange like if you deposit money into an exchange like you just assume it's gone at that point and then you just happy when if it comes out the other side like you should just be just be grateful that you got it back. I just assume it's lost. I mean on the subject of exchanges they're there to make money. They're not not there for some ideological reason. They're not there for Bitcoin. They're not there for you know, any of those other things, you know, just fine there for whatever business they want to do. I definitely don't like certain companies that would say that they're they're, you know, they're a Bitcoin company and then they're adding a lot of very specific ship Moines that don't really make sense. Then that context so at what point do you kind of Judge the all of that to people shit? Yeah. I mean II just I view from the same point as you I just assume they're greedy actors, which you basically just assume everyone's a greedy actor. That's one of the beauties of Bitcoin is that it operates under that assumption and I actually, you know, in terms of specifically, I mean, I think what you're talking about is all bunch of these exchanges are about to go like Whole Hog into the previous state bullshit. They have a direct incentive to pump it because they want people to steak with them. It gives them more influence over the network and they have more money on the platform. Like people be more likely to trade in the casino and use like additional Revenue generating products for them. So like we've actually seen like with Finance Finance offers Forte Zoe's then this is a perfect example of how I watch other chains to like learn things. They offer tasers more return of you stayed with them than if you steak with your own node through like the delegation process, so they're basically taking a loss on that just to Let you in the door, then they become one of the main validators of the chain then they get to sell you all these other Revenue generating products. You know, I'm not going to support it. I won't support those exchanges, but I'm not going to necessarily hold it against them because it's clear Revenue generation and then same on the Privacy front like these exchanges, they're regulated entities and if they're not regulated entities, they have huge Targets on their back and they're going to try and cover their ass and they're going to use these chain analysis companies and and and and whatnot and law. With all your information and take all this information to cover their ass and they're going to share it with these parties. So we need to bit Corners need to put themselves in a situation where they can't do that to us, you know where they can't we already are in the situation where they can't take our coins if you just don't keep it on exchanges and we need to be in a situation where they can't take our privacy as well at the same time exchanges shouldn't be able to track all of our past and future transactions they can and do I hold it against them. Little bit Yeah, but like they can so they are and they're a lot of them are being forced to so we need to make it so they can't I mean I would agree with that. I think a bigger criticism and I think it's hard to fault them per se for it I guess but is just the fact that a centralized exchange is limited in their ability to help all customers at all times. They sent something to a wrong address or you know, what have you because it's a centralized exchange. It's not a straightforward process. Process just to give it back to the customer. It takes real work, you know for them to go in and you know do something about it. Yeah or look at like quadriga or Mount Cox or whatever you like try and sell it top and then you end up with nothing, you know, so I just I like the nice conservative approach just you know, try and eliminate trusted third parties as much as possible. And that means I just avoid exchanges like the plague. I just whatever I have my one trusted on-ramp I use it. I would draw to my own my own wallet Echo enjoying I moved to cold storage and that's that are there any improvements coming down the line that you would see as better than the exchange model? I don't know if these are actual improvements, but I just want to throw out a couple names. I like spark swap. I know that they're not necessarily private per se but I really like how easy it is just you know move money on to lightning and you know, maybe something like disc, you know or anything like that. Do you have more optimal ways to purchase Bitcoin than you know may be using The coin base or any of the larger so spark swap is interesting as we talked about earlier. I think lightning does provide some interesting privacy benefits, or at least it will in the future. Not sure if we're there yet and you are giving a bunch of information to spark swap. They do know your note information. So they know your public capacity. I think obviously I need transactions you send through their channels. They see and could be logging if they wanted to they do have kyc information. I actually I was super excited. Every Spark swap but I never I haven't tried it because I didn't want to do the kyc because it was with some like random third party. I guess not random there like a known third party, but I didn't know them. So I just didn't feel comfortable with it personally. Like I think if you do use kyc exchange like you should just pick, you know, pick one that you like maybe trust a little bit more than the others because they're all sharing the information but they're not all going to get their information stolen or leaked and stuff like that. Right? So you try and limit your kyc. Measures much as possible. So I unfortunately have not been able to play with spark swap but it seems very interesting. The whole idea of on ramping directly onto lightning makes a lot of sense to me bisque is great. It's hard to use with large amounts. The issue here is always the Fiat side, right? It's the choke points are always on the Fiat side, you know, you're sending Bank transfers you're connecting to bank accounts and Fiat sucks. Like that's why we're here so they're able to crack down governments are able Crack down on that side and then when they're not able to in certain situations like with bisque and stuff then they do like undercover stuff to try and make examples of people. We saw that on localbitcoins where they will do like cash cash deals with people and will be undercover and then they'll hit them with some with some related offense for that and just try and scare other people not into doing it. I mean I come full circle. We're back like I'd be tcpa. Like I think BTC pay is going to be the main way obviously people can mine. That's always a good way to get 9 Kyc Bitcoin, but it's it depend on your electricity costs are going to pay like a 30 40 percent premium over if you bought it. So that's not really that good of an option. So like you accept Bitcoin for goods and services. You give them a 15% discount if they pay with Bitcoin and basically to the merchants, they're paying a 15% premium to not kyc when they get their Bitcoin. I mean, I think that's, you know, definitely a way to get Bitcoin. I think the other way to get Bitcoin is to tell your sponsors to pay you in Bitcoin, right? Yep. That's the same thing right? It's yours. Chin, its goods or services. In this case. It's the podcast still talking about lightning something that I was thinking about before let's say cuz this is something that's kind of fresh on. My mind is the idea of if someone were to take the kind of philosophy of samurais that coin wallet and kind of bring that to lightning but I feel like there are a lot of little things that people could do right now to make a much more privacy focused lightning experience. Do you have any opinions on that? Yes a hundred percent. Don't I love that idea. That's right. I think I think right now like look most bitcoiners understand that we have a trade-off between being able to verify the supply and privacy and I think one of the best bounces we can have here in the short term. It's people run their own notes they coin join and then they fund lightning Channels with coin joined outputs and run and obviously that that on their own node that the running through tor. And ideally there's like a mix of private channels in there. But I also think there should be some public channels because you should help with routing because just from the most basic principle of the there's no toxic changed their that you can you know coin selection is such a pain in the ass. So if you have all this toxic change, you're going to inevitably especially as freezer eyes, you're going to inevitably rig link that with the rest of your wallet. So if we can if we can make it so it's easy enough that you can just coin with your own node, and then you move it into lightning. That'd be pretty great. I don't know if it necessarily has to be integrated. I mean if we're talking about like a private way to kyc a private way a more private way of kyc if you have something like get bitter in Europe where you give them an X Pub, right and they when you send them a bank transfer their non-custodial they just automatically send it to your ex Pub to a new address. You can give them a samurai you get a fresh fresh Android phone. If you have an old one, then it's really cheap, but even if you have to get a new On you like Drop two hundred dollars on a new one. You install Samurai while it fresh you link it to your dojo. You put the X Pub in to get bitter every time you send a bank transfer. It goes to your Samurai while it premix and then you just click the mix button on the app because they're about to roll out mobile mixing you click mix and then when it's gone through a couple rounds, then you just like opens app or whatever you're using to manage your lightning node and you just deposit it into there and open a channel. That's that's pretty clean. I mean, especially since like most people are using a like a desktop computer for actually interacting with their node. But I mean you could even presumably I mean it then you're going into like Android trust models and like maybe you should be using graphene and stuff. But it all comes down to your threat model, but you could have like Zeus there's app on your phone and then you don't even need a computer. You can just right after you mix on Samurai. You just plop it right in there and open a channel, but if it got integrated that would Organize them just like mix open good. Yeah, exactly like having that to be a one one experience. You didn't have to think about it coins happen the background before you open channels or you know, what would have you and I don't know what other improvements could happen, but I have the intuition that there's things available out there and lightning land that are being utilized right now that could be utilized privacy things. I can pull them out of my ass right now, but I it's kind of my intuition that there's those things being left on the table at the moment and there's tons of things left on the table and I'm actually kind of like an idiot when it comes to that stuff too. I mean the big the big one though, I would say is like in the short term is multipath payments because you know, then that then your payments being split up through multiple different notes on the way to its final and and destination. So that seems like a significant privacy Improvement to me. So I think that I think that will be a big deal but I think like I said, like we really need to watch the things individuals can do is Should be running tour notes. They should be running lightning tour notes and and help the network and then other things like routing improvements like the way that chooses routing like it shouldn't be on like lowest fee. It's there should be a privacy component there where you want more hops little things like that. Well, it should significantly improve it and just go back all the way to earlier in the conversation when we were talking about will a Crackdown help Bitcoin. There is a bright line to this to that. You know that negative. of possibility that I pointed out is that if there is a Crackdown like all of a sudden making sure that it's easier to use Bitcoin privately becomes a massive priority if people are being made examples of and if governments are cracking down just ideally the ideal situation in that kind of situation would be that it wasn't, you know, a major world power who's doing it so that we have a little room to move there because otherwise it's you know, it's the us or are like Western Europe, I could get really dicey like really quickly and I think I want to move on a little bit here to may be touching on the closed loop or the circular economy here, but I think for a lot of people Bitcoins A Hard Sell Bitcoin and dealing with all the complexity kind of involved is a hard sell. How do we you know get more of the the closed-loop economy or circular economy started one way that I like to bring up with with guests on here. Is the the marijuana industry that if you know you go down to a dispensary in a state that has it legalized and I've had a lot of conversation with these people for reasons. They all seem to know what Bitcoin is and they all seem to have a good reason why they don't accept Bitcoin or at least in my experience. They do the ones that I've talked to have said that, you know, I can't pay my vendors and Bitcoin. So if I can't pay them in Bitcoin, you know, what's the point? And I need to convert it to cash anyway, so whatever, you know, just give me cash and the made sense to me if you know, we could convert their vendors and if we could convert the vendors of the vendors, you know and Turtles all the way down. We could you know build something and then the marijuana shops could actually accept it directly then, you know, the employees could get paid in Bitcoin, you know, people could come in and pay in Bitcoin and then you know round it goes. You know, how do we actually make that more of a reality? I mean, it's very much like a chicken and egg. Situation for the vendors to accept Bitcoin. They need to have people that are willing to pay them Bitcoin. So There's no easy solution there. But I think what happens is I think over time our traditional system like we currently live in like a financial panopticon and they're pushing it harder and harder and the easiest people to convince right now are at the fringes, you know, you get your patreon closed you get your PayPal Frozen, you know, you get bank accounts closed or like your currency devaluation and you had there there's there's rules about how much money you're allowed to move out of the country. Had these situations that arise because the traditional system is broken and it's centralized and it's prone to corruption and those things will naturally increase Bitcoin adoption. It's the same reason Bitcoin has been successful. Like if we didn't need a censorship resistor money Bitcoin never would have been successful. Like why would you deal with the trade-offs of that Bitcoin has if you could just instantly send money through venmo and have no issue that would you know, it would never happen so we I think people just need to not expect the world to happen so quickly, I think it'll be like more of a slow and steady kind of grind and then one day it just will be and on but on a more short-term note, like that's one of the reasons why I like this idea that like BTC pay Merchants can then sell Bitcoin for cash, you know, because then they like it kind of jump-starts that chicken and egg because they can get they can both get And the it's like an extra Revenue generation for them like people coming in to buy some, you know, small amounts like by $20 of the Bitcoin by $30 for the Bitcoin and maybe they'll buy some milk while they're there or something else while you were saying. Oh that I what I was going to picturing in my head was, you know the state of the internet and maybe in the state of the world was 10 years ago roughly around when Bitcoin was created and was released how different are things going to look in 10 years, you know, not even thinking Think about Bitcoin specifically at the moment how different will content creation of people monetizing themselves all that. I feel like all of the like all of those different things have been transformed in the last decade like tremendously and I think you know with BTC pay and other things kind of, you know, they're like you were saying they're very new still, you know, even as good as they are they're still very new and you know in their infancy in 10 years. Are we going to look back and laugh at? How absurdly infantile we all were with what we had like right now. Yes. Absolutely. I think it's it's impossible to really fathom but the next 10 years will bring if you just look back the last 10 years, you can see that and you like mix we just we add censorship resistant money to the mix you just you just make Bitcoins the best money we've ever had. It's just part of that mix and everything that Goes around that it happens around it at the end of the day like money rules the world, right and Bitcoins are better money. And it's it's inherently digital. It's like actual digital Bearer token, like that's insane people will gravitate towards this better money, especially as more things go digital. So I don't I don't I think like to speculate, you know, people talk about like machine-to-machine payments and stuff. You know, like I my dude Bitcoin Sign Guy Like he talks about like onion routed drones self-driving cars and like they it's so much easier for them to get paid in Bitcoin. They can verify it. You know, they can run their own notes and they can verify it and actually confirm that you know, they actually got money transferred to them. So it's like just really it's I don't even I don't try I don't make predictions that far out. I think people overwhelmingly people aren't idiots and especially when it comes to their own their own. SS and their own livelihood and they'll gravitate towards this they'll just realize that it's a better option and and they'll be removed from other options. Like it'll start with the people that have no other option and then it will go inward how or should we bring people into the mix? I have a certain buddy who at the very beginning of me getting into Bitcoin, you know, he bought some to you know, sold it at the wrong time bada that the wrong time got really salty Etc and has always kind of resisted. You know me talking about it. For that so I would bring up some cool wallet or some cool thing that I'm super into but he's like cool things Chaz. I really appreciate it. It's really awesome about your whatever bullshit you're talking about today. Have you kind of experience that has that been common in your life? And is that something that we should overcome or something that we should just just accept and not focus on and just do what we do and hope that eventually people come to what we've built in Bitcoin land. That's like pretty much been my my whole experience in Bitcoin has been what you just described until recently when I actually started like going out and meeting actual bitcoiners all the time and now just like a ton of people that also had share that same exact experience because inevitably these people is don't listen to you and then they buy the top of the next speculative Mania and then it goes immediately down and they either sell at that point and get rekt or then they stay around and I had a couple people say I'd like there's this one From middle school and high school who I convinced her in the 2013 run. I had been talking about Bitcoin from like a hundred and fifty dollars all the way up all the way up to like 1,100, right and she bought like on like the day before the top. She bought it like without she she finally she was like Nomads Fellowship match those shipments will ship but she was checking the price, you know, like everyone like they're always checking the price in the background and she told me after the fact she's like, yeah, I bought I bought and then it just went down for like two years. Years, it just went down and I think like most people will come in at tops and some will get dissuaded and some will stick around and then the next specular Mania happens and the same thing will happen over again because at the end of the day the price at least in the developed world where we don't have as much Financial censorship happening that's going to be the main driver of adoption and people coming in is is these pumps is where they come in and I my my goal nowadays is I just everyone that's close to me knows I love Bitcoin. They know I'm dedicated to this. Like I've you know dedicated like a decent chunk of my life to this when the time comes that they're ready. Like they'll know to reach out to me they know to come to me so I don't have to come to them anymore. I think that's that's the best way to do it. You give them like a light introduction and if they're not interested then you know, you just wait and they'll you know, they'll either be interested or they won't be like you can't like we're not going to convince everyone at least in the beginning. It'll take time. Everything will take time and you just you just do it lightly. I think I want to move on from From the topic of lightning here and briefly talk about your podcast. If you don't mind sure absolutely. Do you want to go ahead and let the listeners know as if they don't already know, but let's let's put on the pretense that they don't know what podcasts that you co-host there. But you want to let them know what it is and all that. So we have this podcast Tales from the Crypt 2 ft. C-- dot iOS or website. You can search Tales from the Crypt and your favorite podcast app. It was started by Mike. Host Marty bent two years ago three years ago two and a half. I don't know a while ago and it's you know, the normal Format Interview series that we see a lot in the Bitcoin world where you just interviews very interesting people and Bitcoin and I've been very lucky to join him in those interviews and then at the same time we have this Rabbit Hole recap, which I started with him and that was like a year and a half ago. I started that with him and it lives in the same channel and that is a weekly news Roundup. But without all the bullshit there's no like shit coins and stuff. Unless like it's a learning experience for Bitcoin. There's just no noise. None of the blockchain not Bitcoin bullshit. No ico's, you know, we do have sponsors, but we pick them very very carefully. We just talk from the hip like I just call it as I see it. I don't have you know, one of the nice things is I still have like a full-time Fiat job, so I don't really have a horse in this race besides my Bitcoin bags. So I'm not trying to you know show bad product I use things and then I talk about them. Yeah, absolutely. I that's kind of been one of my operating rules is if even if I ever do take on a sponsor, it's pretty much going to be me approaching the sponsor saying hey, I like your shit, you know, let me show it for money, please. Have you considered having your own kind of podcast where you Riff on various topics or you know, do your own kind of thing? Yeah, I mean Look, I love marty-mart. He's like a brother to me and I would love to just grow Tales from the Crypt with him. So that's the path. I'm leaving right now. But you know, I'm always open to other opportunities, but like yeah, I want to have ideally want to have a show on Tales from the Crypt that's like my show so then we'll have the traditional Tales from the Crypt interview series. I don't know maybe video content. I've been exploring a bunch of different things. We recently launched, you know, Marty has this daily newsletter that he's been writing for three years. Which is insane just this idea that he writes about Bitcoin every morning on every weekday for three years. I could never do that. But I just added to that we have this we called the sad standard which is a Weekly Newsletter that goes out on Saturdays. Like that's my baby like I put that together so that's been fantastic to do and but yeah, like maybe I'm not even sure though if I'm who knows like I you don't really know to try it, but I'm not sure if I'm not good of an interviewer just like talking about Bitcoin. So like rabbit hole recap is like my absolute baby. I love doing that every week. It's just fun to be fair. I think there's various interviews that you do that end up being really really good because you're there because you add this kind of your certain flavor. I think Marty is very different and has his own kind of Labor like for example, the the American Hospital Interview, I mean that one was fucking ridiculous, but I think it's because you all had this ridiculous flavor going on in it and it melted very well. So I my personal opinion. I think if you had that going on your own, you know, it would work pretty well. But hey, you know, I'm not here to push you into your own podcast here and I'll tell you I love joining for the interviews. It's fantastic. The American holiday episode is ridiculous. We had the armed out episode is ridiculous. We just recorded one with Andrew. Ciao. Ciao. I'm super happy to be there for there was a little bit less of my flavor there, but I was very big on making sure we talked about coin selection. Just something that I hold near and dear to my heart and we had a really good conversation about that. But yeah, I would be lying if I said I haven't been considering it. It's just we have honestly I feel like Since I've jumped into Bitcoin head first. I mean, I guess I've always but I ramped it up in 2017 like late 2017 2018. I just there's not enough time in the day. I'm like playing with all these toys. I'm already I'm already recording our HR for just like three hours. It's a one-hour recording but like between going to the studio and talking beforehand talking after afterwards that's like three hours there and I want to do more guide videos and stuff like that. So there's just really not that much time in the day since it's just but that's good. That's a good issue to have but I definitely I definitely see a future where I do some of my own shit more just because also I just like, you know doing my own shit like that's just one of the reasons I love Bitcoin we get to you know be our own bank. That's fantastic. I mean agreed I guess I just I'm my perspective is a little bit different, you know, I even had a full time income for quite a while. So, you know part of the reason why I started my podcast was like, you know, I have all this free time. I I need to be doing something to be kind of useful. I have I have no idea if this podcast is is useful in that sense. I think it is and I've been doing it long enough that quite a few people have said that it's helpful that other people have said that they've gained information from it and but after a while, you know, you're doing something like, you know doing a podcast and then you're like, well, you know, what else? And I do and I think you know very naturally. I've been kind of going to the same place that you've been going of, you know, all do video content. I'm not clear on, you know, where I want to do video content. I've just kind of reorganize as my entire apartment it to make it easier for me to shoot video content, even though I have no idea what I'm going to do. That's kind of how I do things. But do you do you see you this kind of something similar that you're like, I'm sitting here I have this time. I want to do something for Bitcoin, you know, but more value out there. Is that something you actively think about? Yeah, I mean look this week so I still have my Fiat job right this week. I flew to San Francisco. I help them with the human rights Foundation Workshop. Then I flew back that was late last night. Then I had two calls talking with Bitcoin about Bitcoin with different different companies in the space that that wanted some advice with things that I pushed him off to today because I was in San Francisco. I jumped on this podcast with you because I really like going on the other podcasts in the space. I like I think that's like a really good way of just building quality content everywhere. I'd love to see that and the workshops in general have just been super rewarding. We've didn't me. I've include us you just had a great episode with you. Everyone should listen that episode if they haven't and Josh in New York beefsteak Josh, he's away Slice on Twitter. We've been running these Bitcoin Citadel workshops, you know be your own Citadel. We started with cold card and coins and using it with your own node. I think we're going to do like a build-your-own node workshop. And that's just like super rewarding like I think like, you know, just Hands-On meeting with bitcoiners. It's just fantastic and I just really really love that element. I just love going to dinner and drinking with big Corners to that's really fun. Yeah. So I basically every day I'm just thinking about how I can get back to bitcoin because this community has given me so much and it's just really rewarding and that's just like no matter what That's basically my that's my plan until number goes up to the point where I can just disappear in the woods somewhere. That's like that's like the goal of life right now. Have you given much thought to you know, taking whatever action you can to getting some kind of Bitcoin income and dropping the the Fiat job entire thing. Yeah. I mean, that's where it's going to get interesting right? Because like that's what I want Tales from the Crypt to be like I want Tails, I think like me and Marty you're building something really special there and like ideally we could get to the point where that could just be my full-time and then I could do all this other stuff on the side and just in general like I'm constantly looking for opportunities to work in the Bitcoin space the in the past like the past bear Cycles. I just saw so many people who went full-time Bitcoin just get wrecked. You know, they just they got absolutely wrecked and in a bear Market, it's like really nice it just really Nice having a completely independent. Salary bear Market that is a underrated benefit to be in that situation. I mean we saw someone like Andreas who when I got involved in Bitcoin, I would just like main line is videos. I just like watches videos and then Market buy Bitcoin and then he had like no bit coin in 2017 because he was living off of it and it was like no it was like a dropped $150, you know, and he was just selling it for pennies because he had a live off of it and he didn't have any Fiat on the side. So I was always very conservative about that and I will admit that there was a couple opportunities. I had like late 2017 early 2018. I got the top to move into Bitcoin full-time and I'm very very grateful that I didn't do that. You know, I'm in a much more stable situation now so II do I do see I said earlier. I don't want to make tiny and predictions but like the next like two years like I'm going to be full-time Bitcoin next 3 years. I'll be full-time Bitcoin. I'm just completely done with my Fiat job. There's like no passion there whatsoever. It's just pays the rent and makes it so I can accumulate more Bitcoin. Let's think about the listeners for the moment because I think at one point all of us were you know, thinking about what we could do in Bitcoin or for lightning, you know, really inspires us Etc. What would you say to the listener out there that does like, you know, I want to help but but I can't do x y z because I'm not good enough at whatever, you know the case might be if I'm not good at programming or I'm not good at, you know content creation or whatever it is. Would you encourage them to do it anyway or to try to make something happen? Either way would I would say is I mean you should focus on yourself first. It's like the when you fly an airplane and they give you the instructions if the masks fall out of the plane, you're supposed to like put yours on first and then you put on other people's masks. I You should be greedy and you should just keep learning for yourself and just and Bitcoins and interesting Beast where the more educated big Corners we have the more big Corners that are doing best practices and are aware of everything. The stronger Bitcoin is so your are inadvertently helping everyone else by helping yourself and to go even further there. Like if you have a business, right and you want to accumulate Bitcoin like you start accepting Bitcoin, you're helping boost that our economy for yourself. You're just helping yourself. So I think that's really important. The the meetups are really important tread carefully in terms of privacy and stuff, but it's just been a huge net benefit for me. We have a great community in New York. Just talking to people in real life like in person Ed but just in general like telegram groups Twitter to an extent, like don't let it get to your head. Don't be an asshole. But yeah, you know do what you can and just don't lie and then it doesn't matter. If you like don't get overwhelmed and don't think it would be perfect. No one's perfect. Everyone's just trying their best. We're all just trying our best and people see that like if you're actually acting ethically and whatnot. There's no harm in like creating content if you want to create content, but I wouldn't like just jump right into it. I would focus on myself first like, you know, ask what Bitcoin can do for you and then take that to the next level. So I don't know how much longer you want to be on your identically don't do the three hour long interviews on. I'm getting junkies. Was that a is that a dig at me? Because I'm kind of known for my my epic epic podcasts. I wouldn't call it a dick, but it I believe it is true that yes, when the key for those is you gotta enter bourbon into the mix and then that our to it gets really interesting kind of like the the business and my business but the kind of podcast talk a little bit self inspiration there in self-sufficiency is I think a huge Part of Bitcoin land and something that I think I really latched onto when I started really getting into Bitcoin is you know, being self-sufficient taking care of yourself. Like I'm like, I'm in my 30s and I really didn't do a good job of getting those skills in my 20s and I've been doing a lot better in my 30s like something that I pointed out recently was cooking like I'm dating someone that is a professional cook. So, you know it's hard for their skills not to rub off and it's like I think you know, obviously a lot of Bitcoin users are into their carnivore ways or whatever but I think just being able to cook in general is hugely important. Do you think that there are any other skills besides cooking that you know lend themselves to being self-sufficient and things like that? Yeah. I mean, I think you should just like like life's important, you know that guy. It's easy to get like wrapped up in being obsessed with Bitcoin and I'm 100% guilty of it. You also to take care of yourself in general and you have to appreciate what you have and family friends is like super important you notate like exercise like people should exercise. I personally like my favorite form of exercise like competitive Sports nice. I play soccer. I played tennis. I just enjoy that's part of the reason why I like Bitcoin, I guess it's just because it's like a global competition. And yeah, I just I think I think that it's easy to get way too wrapped up in this stuff and forget about what's really important and I'm not trying to Discount Bitcoin because I fucking love Bitcoin. I think it's the best money we've ever had but at the end of the day like your life is way more important and it's really fucking short. So you got to enjoy it and I think people should just both take life a little bit more seriously and a little bit less seriously because we got a lot of zombies out there. Just walking around not really thinking about shit. Well said, I think I think that's a good Place as any to close out the episode man. Awesome. Thank you for having me. It's been a pleasure. I really enjoy your podcast and I just know that when I first got into it one of the reasons I did it was because I felt like there just wasn't good enough content out there for big corners and I felt like it was something I can improve on but right now it is absolutely fucking bullish. There's amazing amount of content out there and your main part of it. So thank you for that. Well, I really appreciate you saying so I mean, that's pretty much why I started this this podcast I was getting obsessed with all the stuff happening in lightning and I you know, obviously different people were focusing on parts of it sometimes but since Bitcoin is such a big world, it was a lot of it was more on bitcoin itself and not necessarily on on Lightning. So hey, why not have a podcast that is only lightning and talks about how obsessed we all are with, you know this technology fucking love it. I wonder how many Other people would describe themselves as being obsessed with this technology. It's a mature if it's unhealthy or not over here. Number go up. The amount of people obsessed is going up man. Gee do you want to give the Spiel on you know how people can find you on the internet and all that? Uh, Matt Matt under - Odell on Twitter and our podcast and newsletters. You can find a deity C dot IO or just search Tales from the Crypt on your favorite podcast app. Well, once again man, I appreciate you. Yeah joining me and we'll catch you later. Awesome. Take care, dude. Thank you. Boom. That was the 20th episode of lightning junkies podcast 2120 on 20/20 or something. I think I think that's correct. I think that's correct. Hopefully you learned something on this particular episode. We had a very fun conversation and I feel like it flowed very well. I'll definitely have mad on again in the future for his insight. It's and just general knowledge about things related to bitcoin privacy ending similar. If you would like to support the podcast you can do. So with Bitcoin or Bitcoin over the lightning Network directly at crowdfunded lightning junkies dotnet. There are also other ways Port the podcast monetarily including fold Ellen cast and tipping dot me you can also support the podcast without having to use any of Your monetary sovereignty you can leave a review on whatever podcast aggregator program that you might use. You can also share the podcast on social media, especially the twitter.com. Don't forget to subscribe and give me feedback so I can continue to improve the podcast. I think you lovely folks are probably sick of hearing my voice now, so we will leave it there. I invite you all lovely folks all of you lovely folks. To join me, please. Join me. I'll see you on the lightning. The lightning network is the best video game ever.

This is the 20th episode of the Lighting Junkies podcast. (Debuting on 01/20/2020! :O) On this episode, we have Matt Odell, Matt is best known for being a co-host of the Tales from the Crypt podcast. His co-host is Marty Bent. On this special 20th episode of the podcast, Matt talks about a range of topics that intersect Bitcoin and some that don't. In the episode, Matt talks about securing your own oxygen mask first in order to better help others in their Bitcoin adventures. Topics in this episode: Getting into Bitcoin Path getting into Bitcoin 2013 Bull Market vs 2017 Bull Market Bull Market without Ethereum? Bull Market in 2020+? Samourai Nodl Casa vs Nodl Spending on Lightning IRL? Regulatory UX Importance of Privacy Bitcoin Surviving Ban? Altcoins Left Unscathed BTCPay Server Liquid on BTCPay Exchanges Suck Lightning Wallet with Samourai Privacy Design Philosophy Privacy Improvements Closed Loop/Circular Economy Onboarding Users Tales From The Crypt Giving Back  in BitcoinLand Going Fulltime Bitcoin Secure Your Mask First Self Sufficiency Matt Odell's Twitter: https://twitter.com/matt_odell Marty Bent's Twitter: https://twitter.com/MartyBent TFTC's Twitter: https://twitter.com/tftc21 TFTC's Website: https://tftc.io/ If you want to stack 100k sats, sign up for Sparkswap!

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So let's just go ahead and get started because this first one is first one is a question near and dear to my heart. I'm going to just kind of read it as is I'm looking for your thoughts around performing exercises with a patient with scoliosis. Do you encourage movement mainly in the pattern that goes opposite the curve to encourage new pattern and must neuromuscular control and avoid moving in the already dysfunctional pattern or is some value and moving in the Old pattern I into the curve. So to speak in all three planes to encourage good Mobility even in that pattern. Wow. We got a big while there. So let me first of all let you know that the answer to this question is going to be found in our gray Institute YouTube channel for our gift program the gray Institute for functional transformation are 40 week mentorship program. We put together a six-part What we call PST process the truth the strategies and the techniques associated with understanding and treating scoliosis. We no longer can hold this back just for the gift Community. We need to get it out there and to share it with everyone and therefore besides me trying to verbally answer this what I would consider extremely complex and three-dimensional question of feel free to go to our YouTube channel and go through those six. Um videos that I think will give you some really good insight into our approach to treating scoliosis based on pure human function. One of the other resources, I would strongly suggest that you get is a book by the name from Christina leaner schroth. They called the schroth method of treating scoliosis. She wrote this book. I believe back in 1972 before I even became a physical therapist. East and strangely enough. I didn't know about this book until just a couple years ago when I was sharing our approach to scoliosis someone at a chain reaction seminar raised her hand and said with you have this book and I said no and they said well, it sounds somewhat similar because she talks about a three dimensional approach for scoliosis. And of course as they know and as you all know, we that's been our approach ever since we started try to understand human movement is a three dimensional approach so that It's a Wonderful Resource as I go through the book which I have a number of times there are some principles and strategies that we go Amen to and there's a few that we would say, I'm not really sure about that one and hopefully our better understanding of human function has allowed us to progress and understand that even better and hopefully it even progresses even more as more people are being able to take care of someone. With scoliosis, let me start answering the question and chain reaction when we talk about that. I'll normally set up a story and tell a story about how my daughter at age 12 going on 13 and going on 26. So to speak wanted to go to Florida with another family and I thought that was a great idea during spring break until I saw the swimming suit that she had picked out and told her that I wasn't really happy with the swimming suit in the It goes on and I embellish it quite a lot by indicating that my daughter gets upset throws a swimming suit down and when she goes back down to pick it up in her frustration of not having a father that understands and who doesn't trust her. I quickly see this posterior rib hump and my heart sinks and so I immediately look around and everyone and chain reaction is just so who wants to treat my daughter and then we get into so what are we being taught in physical therapy school and to my dismay over the last three years and chain reaction. I have not yet had a physical therapist that says I have confidence in treating that theoretically is being doctors of physical therapy doctors of human Movement. We should raise her hand very proudly and go I'd like to shot at your daughter and see if I can help her some one person said well our professor. All this that it's no use even learning anything about it because it can't be helped. I don't agree with that. And of course they go to the evidence-based research and the research that's out there says that if you do physical therapy exercises for some of the scoliosis, it's never been proven to improve and we're not sure if they didn't Hibbett the curve so we just sit back and and watch it progress what the research should say is non-functional one. Channel exercises without any consideration to all three planes of motion and no consideration to the potential cause of scoliosis and no consideration to forces that would ultimately result in the scoliosis not taking consideration. Those exercises don't seem to help scoliosis. We now have a number of case studies that the scoliosis that has Treated not only has been inhibited but it has been significantly improved even over 50 to 75 percent. We do not have any record of summing having scoliosis and taking them back to what we would call a zero degree frontal plane and zero degree transfers plane, but hopefully this encourages us to kind of look at this closer and to understand scoliosis. So one of the very first questions I'll ask is so is scoliosis. A sagittal plane problem of frontal plane problem or a transfers playing problem. And of course when we measure scoliosis, we measure the frontal plane deformity and we measure the rotational rib hump and but it's really a three-dimensional deformity that we have to take in consideration. Is it a neurological problem a muscular problem or a skeletal problems and the neuromusculoskeletal problem or is it just one of those and of course the answer is yes. It's got to be neurologically. Of this got to be muscular involved in his skeletal involved. Is it a problem relative to the muscles and Mobility or is it strength and stability or is it endurance and again the answer all of a sudden becomes? Yes, is this a top-down problem a bottom-up problem or a side-to-side problem in the answer is yes. Is this a body problem or is this a mind problem or is this what we would call an emotional spiritual problem and the answer is yes. So not knowing exactly what caused the scoliosis why all of a sudden somebody's spine decides to take off in a curve. We have to approach it in not only a three dimensional way from each plane of motion, but three-dimensionally neuromusculoskeletal e three-dimensionally as in Mobility stability endurance three dimensional as in the top down bottom up the side to side and forward two back and also three-dimensionally as in Body and spirit we're dealing with the human being that's dealing with something that's scary and very frustrating and again in my embellish story. I indicate that after I explain to my daughter that she now can go to Florida and the her swimming suit is fine because that no longer bothers me that will need to go to the doctor and get evaluated. My daughter immediately goes in and types and scoliosis and YouTube in the very second video she seizes Has a surgery of a Harrington rod and of course that all of a sudden puts on the panic attack when we go see the doctor the doctor does a great job doing the staining X-ray and measuring the curve but with a c curve or an S curve and or sometimes we see a even a four-part curve, but then says you know what we'll just kind of we're just going to observe this and see what happens and if it gets worse, no big deal just throw Harrington rod in her but hopefully doesn't get any worse. Well. There's no guarantee there. And of course I is the father who was then isn't there anything we can do about it? And of course the doctor would say research quote-unquote says that it can't well we haven't done the right research yet and hopefully this will stimulate a lot of thoughts doing the right should research and there is a lot of evidence based research and findings that have been out there since 1972 on taking a look at scoliosis more three-dimensionally more 3D So knowing that there's a couple principles that we bring out in the video that I believe will help answer your question Matthew. And the the first thing we do is when we talk about creating mobility in all three planes of motion, we realize what we're going to do is we're going to have to have 4 Points of attachment in a standing position because of the proprioceptive input and feedback. Where we create a Mobility the opposite of the direction of the curve now scoliosis curves are what we call type 1 all that means is if I have a scoliosis and we'll just start with a simple C curve and I'm laterally flexed to the left where the concavity is on the left hand side. The convection is on the right hand side. I will always have a posterior rib hump on the right hand side, which means I'm rotated to the right so laterally Flex left rotated. Right that's called a type one from osteopathic terminology curve. We also know that most of these curves have a big component of kyphosis. So there's a sagittal plane component a frontal plane component in the transverse plane component. So in order to make sure we're not stealing from Peter to pay Paul to mess up Mary. We have to create an environment which we show in the YouTube videos where we have to have the feet stable and the Hand stable. And create a driver with the pelvis and the head to facilitate Mobility. So let's say we have a curve that again is laterally flex to the left concavity on the left convexity in the right right rotated, which is the posterior rib bumps, right and kyphotic. We need to position from a top-down posture. We need to position the hands where I get extension and I get lateral flexion to the right and I get rotation to the left which is Just the opposite now. This is the mobility approach. We have to create a new path the path that we want to facilitate. We also need to do that bottom up before this dealing with the c curve bottom up. We have to position the feet to facilitate the bottom-up reaction that we want to again quote unquote, correct the curve from the bottom up through Mobility. Now knowing that we have four points of attachment right hand left hand right foot left foot. No, now if we do the right positioning of the feet and the hands to create that New Path of Mobility opposite of what the curve is showing us that the patient can't basically sneak out of the curve and cause the curve worse. So for example, if I just did a frontal plane if I just tried to get this person to only do frontal plane reaction, literally what would happen the path of least resistance of The that particular patients back would actually increase the right rotation. So it would bail out and literally I would be causing ultimately a bigger curve when the patient relaxed and went back to their normal relaxed state that increased right rotation would facilitate an increased lateral flexion to the left. And even though my heart was in the right spot. I wasn't thinking three-dimensionally. So therefore Mobility has to be attacked three-dimensionally. Stability on the other hand is quite interesting. And I think this is the Eureka moment that we had is knowing that in order to overcome a problem. We have to what we call an applied functional science feed the deformity and here's what that means if I have somebody that's just simply Kai photic. Let's say they don't have a scoliosis, but they do have a sagittal plane kyphosis. We would say we have to Approach this three dimensionally and but if we were going to create a reaction, let's say in the thoracic spine. The reaction for strengthening would be to feed the deformity. In other words. We would have weights in the patient's hands and the patient then would be instructed to let the weights go down to their need to increase the thoracic kyphosis. So the entire chain reaction of the body through the ankles and the hips and the thoracic spine and shoulders would say, whoa. Whoa, we don't want that. We're going to decelerate that. We're going to turn on proprioceptors. And now we're going to return through what we call the con Centric production of force after The Eccentric load that will then decrease the thoracic kyphosis. So the loading of the curve has to be something that feeds the curve in all three planes of motion. That's another big a streak. We can't just pick on one plane because Going to still have the same path of least resistance bailout phenomenon. So this is a hard one at least for me to try to describe even in my own brain here. But again, when you go through the videos, let's say we have that same C curve. I'm laterally Flex to the left top down my concavities on the left side my convexities on the right side of my posterior rib humps on the right side. What I'll say is I have a weight. I'm going to put in my left hand or right hand and I'm going to have this weight and I'm going to have hold it overhead and I'm going to let it come down past my shoulder and then I'm going to explode it up. So I'm going to load and explode in what we call a shoulder press and the question is which hand if I'm attacking the frontal plane curve. Would I put the weight in well, if you put it in the left hand and you now let the weight load you it's going to load you into even more lateral flexion to the left. It's going to increase the frontal plane curve. That's what we want though. A lot of people will say well if Put in the right and that wait hold you down. It's going to correct the curve know what that's going to do. It's going to stimulate proprioceptive lie, exactly the opposite of what we want and we see a lot of the table exercises. We were taught in physical therapy school for scoliosis one dimensionally. We all of a sudden not only get embarrassed but our heart sinks because we quickly realized that a lot of the exercises we've been taught to do in a neurophysiological neuromusculoskeletal way in increase the curve at the same time that we would then load that frontal plane from the top down in the we would load the transfers playing. So now we have this long bungee cord at shoulder height and we would say so where do I want to hook the been G chord in order to facilitate the reaction I want so I have a handle in my right hand. I still have that white in my left hand. And so the handle I want the cord to pull me to the right to make the curve worse. So Literally if you saw me with this bungee cord and I just relax and I let it pull me to the right rotate the right and you I just let the weight down. I relax. I just let the weight come down on my left hand. You would see that my curve got worse. I have more lateral flexion to the left from the free weight more rotation to the right with the bungee cord. But that's what I want. I want to feed the deformity. And again, I have to do this only after I do the mobility exercises to create that, New Path. So now that third plane of motion the sagittal plane, we let the free weight do that as well where we actually bring the weight down and forward so it throws us into little bit of kyphosis. So when I do the exercise, so to speak I explode the weight up and back which simply will take the weight up and back and a little bit to the right which will instantaneously correct the curve with the concentric contraction and at the same time, I will pull the bungee cord. My right hand and I will do a right hand right rotational Pole where I'll excuse me, a left rotational pole will I'll pull over in front of my chest where now I am correcting the transfers plane curve in the thoracic spine now, hopefully that's somewhat confusing because we're listening to it on a podcast and trying to figure out this three-dimensional reaction. We do a lot of Twee ecology with that top down, but then at the same time if I have a c curve I am going to do something with the feet that you again, you'll see on the video. I have to change the height of the leg length with a book to facilitate the reaction of the pelvis and then I have to create a lunge a transverse plane lunch to facilitate what I want the pelvis is doing again in the mobility sense of that. I want to go opposite but for stability, I want to load the curved bottom up as well as top down now if I have a Curve logic would say and we've had very good results with this that we treat the top curve top down in the bottom curve bottom up that way again the patient can't bail out. And again, we have to do it three-dimensionally and because we're attacking all three planes of motion at once and we're creating movement to stimulate the proprioceptors to turn on the muscles to facilitate the joint reaction. It's neuromusculoskeletal because we do Mobility then stability and we Add a big component of endurance to this with their exercises, its three-dimensional that way and because we're attacking it top down bottom up and right to left and left to right and forward two back. We have our bases covered and we're giving that patient every opportunity to basically begin to correct the neurological and myofascial and skeletal responses of their body that created this Leo's to begin with to begin to correct the scoliosis by going against the three Curves in mobility and feeding the three curves with stability top-down bottom-up right left left right forward and back back forward with four points of attachment and four points of control at all times so we can't bail out. So hopefully that somewhat helpful. But again, that's why we're going to have the videos up there so you can take a peek at look at the videos and go through all Six parts, we broke broken them up and it's broken up in a way that I think most movement professionals can kind of take a look at that and say you know what? Let's let's give this a shot. Let's see what we can do here to help out one of our gift fellows Ed pageant. You'll see some of his videos as well on YouTube does an amazing job. So when he took gift, he learned this approach to scoliosis and it's become a passion of his and he's done amazing things with patients even documented. Against improvements in their curves and obviously significant improvements in their ability to live and enjoy life because of what he's done. We have a lot of our gift fellows out there who do that and because of their understanding that the human body through the 40 week mentorship program of gift they have this ability to really understand the truths of what's really going on the strategies that emanate from the truths and what the techniques look like and sadly the techniques look a lot different than what we were taught. In school simply because we didn't ask ourselves. So what's really potentially causing this? What's the truth? And how do we want to approach this? So Matthew? Thank you for the opportunity to share this with you and simulate some thought on the proper treatment of scoliosis. 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Are you ready to invest in yourself and your career in order to better invest in your patients clients and athletes check out gift at the gray Institute website at gray, Institute.com and click on mentorship at the top Doug Gray is the president of great Institute and the director of gift Doug has a unique history with the movement industry as he is the youngest son of dr. Gary gray his experiences and expertise have allowed him to enjoy multiple roles at Great Institute his world lights up when there is mention of his wife Valerie his son Zion win or his daughter Lawson. Let's join Doug as he talks about continuing education. All right gray Institute. As listeners, this is Doug Gray and per usual. I have yet another treat for you. And the reason I know it's a treat is because it's a treat for me to talk to people in general, especially those applied functional scientists that are out there just doing absolutely amazing things. And the person that I get the privilege of interviewing is no different and it's a friend of mine but also a colleague and he has quite the story to tell he's very captivating but what you're going to find out Is he is very passionate about movement. And so without further Ado. I would like to introduce you all to Jason humaira Jason. Thanks so much for being on the gray Institute podcast. Dougie really appreciated and what a welcome. I wish my wife was in here. I don't think I've ever been called a treat before so we're going to put that down in the record books as a first timer there and I know you just made my day. So hopefully everyone listening gets the enjoy that right there along with me. Well grade wasn't that the beauty of recording it's mastered forever. So you be able to share that with her as much as possible. But you know, I just want to thank you for being on this podcast segments per usual. I like to interview people with a little Of a fluid QA. I really want our listeners just to hear more about Jason humaira hear more about your journey hear more about what you're up to and hear more about how they can find out more on what you're doing. So I'm going to kick it off and really give you the floor and it's kind of an open-ended statement that kind of doubles as a question, but explain to our listeners your journey. Absolutely. Well, thanks for that that prep set up right there. So my journey with AFS actually stole started back in 2014 at that time. I was actually my eighth year in the health and fitness industry. I was personal trainer Fitness manager ran my own Taekwondo studio in the Upper West Side in New York. And at the time I had always been kind of searching and seeking for more. So right around my first year of postback work going back to Physical therapist I was kind of In This Very suggestive state of what to do next. I know I wanted to help people. I know I wanted to get more into the science nerdy and of human movement and the only path I had seen at the time was physical therapy. So I was around that time that state kind of intervened and I came across another gift fellow guy by the name of Justin Gelb and where I started working at a boutique Fitness Studio in New York City called old model fit back at the time and it was it was this kind of interesting intriguing Blended Fusion of small micro movement paired with different angles that I had really kind of never seen before and the fitness side of me became extremely excited and entice but the scientific side of me was kind of like whoa, whoa, whoa putting people in some kind of interesting positions here at what exactly you're doing and he knew me at the time getting ready to be a physical therapist and get into PT school and he's like, Whatever you do and his you know, Justin go been way dude. I'm telling you man. Whatever you do. Don't do it that was straight-up verbatim out of his mouth. Don't do it until you talk to these guys gray Institute. And of course, I was kind of open minded and into everything. So I was like, I'll give him a call and it was I believe I don't know if you remember Doug it was back right around November December 2014. I definitely got you on the phone for a good 45 50 minutes and I'm sure it was the same thing y'all get from everyone which is Is hey, what is this? AFS stuff Hey, where's all the signs? Hey, why does this work? Hey, I see some really, you know, interesting things going on and you know, I'm not gonna lie. I don't remember what answers you gave me but I do remember how you made me feel and I think that was why I kind of say it was a it was a stalled start because it wasn't so much about the what but it was the how and the why that really got me to kind of recharge my course and I decided That time that I was going to forego the the rest of my post back journey and divert my attention away from an official degree in physical therapy and I was going to check out this thing called guest and gray Institute. So I enrolled for the 2015 class with the support of Justin and a few other classmates that we had at the time and again referring back to the had stalled start. It took me a good three months to once again kind of say what the heck am I doing here and it wasn't until that van ride in a Ian and March of 2015 where things began to really kind of come together and again, it was more about the people it was more about the feeling. I remember when you first walked into the pizza party. I was like, yo, he's much bigger than he looked on TV. I was like, but that guy is and it was it was more than just your physical presence. It was the you know, I don't use spiritual terms. That was more like the aura the sent the the spirit that came in the room and Your dad came in right behind you. Dr. Gary gray Dave to be real came bopping around. I think he might have been you know smothered by you guys rolling in but if he all came in I was like, wow these guys that I've seen for three months telling me about it, you know, the principles in the truths of Applied functional science gravity Graham reaction Mass momentum and and all the reasons that this stuff actually works. I'm like, these are the guys that birthed it. You know, these are the guys that really took their Vision. They did the work they did the research 40 ears over worth of trial and error observational experimentation to say hey this stuff worked and I realized at that point in 2015 that I was asking the wrong questions, you know, I was asking for for papers and words and studies and numbers and a whole bunch of different signs, which don't get me wrong, you know driver industry forward and are incredibly valuable but I was missing the fact that it's called human movement and I think it was that human aspect that really Just kind of turned my soul on ^ AFS and you know, I got to say I've I've been humbled and honored to be invited back year after year to do what's called a play coach made program. So for those of you guys listening to gift programs of 40 week Journey, which I completed in 2015 and immediately couldn't get enough and again, you know, I appreciate the friend anecdote from earlier, but it was it was at the party Gigi. Three where I think it was over a shot of tequila Doug. I don't know if that's able to be told I'm like yo, how do I do the TCM thing and you're like cheers brother yo-yo six years later. Here we go getting ready to gear up for my sixth year going through the AFS Journey 50 years PCM or now coming into 2020 and I couldn't be more honored and humbled that the realization of just what's a kind of throws your way. How the the AFS stop process really helped me at least begin to ask better questions about the why because the what's easy you look at you. Look at how the body moves. We're just trying to figure out what's going on. And how is it working? But it's the why factor that that really just got my journey going back in 2015, and I have to say it's a it's a fueled kerosene. Essentially that just does not stop my Curious desire from burning. Well, well, first of all, thank you. Secondly, I think the listeners are like me they're probably on the edge of their seats saying, all right, keep this guy talking because he's just kind of unfolding a lot of maybe thoughts that are bouncing around in my own head or he's given me some ideas in which I can ponder and contemplate that's just going to make me better at what I do. And you know, I think it's great that you mentioned Justin Gelb and of course, he's a dear friend of both of ours and we think the world of him and he's doing amazing things and that's really kind of the the amazing thing about the Gift Community is by far our best marketing. Arm our our fellows and people say man. I see what you know, I see what you can do. I want to know that I want to do it, but I want to know it and do it in my own way. And that's really what the Journey of gift really facilitates and you know, even though we're all individuals were no different in that. We all have our own story our own Journey but our stories and Journeys are what's different and I think the more we can learn about each other story and journey the better off we're all going to be an understanding each other but also drawing parallels that are going to equal whip us to not only make our life better. But ultimately what we're getting at trying to make our patients and clients lives better. So just appreciate everything that you just stated, you know, it's going through gift in 2015 knowing was very much life-changing and I appreciate you mentioning the conversation that we had prior to that because a lot of people say Doug just give me the facts give me what the program is all about. And you know, I can talk about the facts on blue in the face, but really where the light bulbs go on is when when they That they're going through the program with like-minded individuals that they get to capitalize not only on the content, but other people's experience and expertise and it's really the community. That's the gold which is why you know, the Jason home areas of the world like to come back to play coach May where they can continue to learn but more importantly get to know the current Year's Gift Community, but also start to facilitate and teach alongside the faculty and facilitators and it's really just a win-win for everybody. So I'm gonna try to Pose another question because I think the more I can be quiet in this conversation the more you can talk the better off we all are going to be so you didn't mention quite yet your current Journey. So I would love for you to let our listeners Know Your Role within Percy dose and let us know. What is Percy dose and I'm just going to kind of give you the floor to share as much facts as you would like about that amazing company and what you guys are all up to. Yeah, absolutely. And you know you kind of brought up a really interesting thing that I think you know didn't really dawn on me until until last year and it kind of circles back into the amazing community that is the gift entity and more importantly what kind of drawers everything in as their own individual passions. Right people. People can be passionate about a bunch of things and most of the time people are passionate about many different things that not only conflict but are Going on simultaneously and it's kind of one of those things now especially kind of looking into you know, pop social psychology. If you will that, you know, the age of passion is kind of blending into the era of purpose and the beauty of what the Gift Community does the program and also just in people that are drawn to it is that you know, while the passions diverts almost that you know, inevitably there is one purpose and that purpose is a transformative purpose that everyone is in fact in it. It for other people and I think that message is it needs to be heard that regardless of what your passion is. The one purpose that I think we all share is the service and humidity humility. We have dedicated Our Lives to others and it's with that dedication to purpose and that responsibility to continue to kind of seek and refine what we know is the truth what we know is biomechanics and everything that goes into human movement and treating the mind body and spirit. You have responsibilities to need to kind of evolve and we have a responsibility to attract those that make us better that challenge us that drive us to become more kindred spirits and it's with that that actually, you know, kind of burst the journey that I'm now on which is as you mentioned a company called Percy dos which to give you guys a real quick visual. If you have an experience that it's a mat that sits on the ground and you can essentially imagine this 3D functional twister and That's usually kind of brings out the novelty and gamification. But the power comes from Gray Institute as Percy dose is powered by gray Institute. When you look at what the the Matt actually provides it's a it's a task and Target driven environment that allows for not only the application of AFS principles, but also just unlimited exercise variability and novel creativity that we know is really starting to be kind of at the Forefront of modern-day health and illness brain health training is coming big into the Limelight now, but that doesn't devalue the fact that people like to be challenged and they like to be really just given something new and creative and proceed us allows us to have the ability to create things using the visual environment using these nine different dots in these eight angulations that are on it with the logic and the power of AFS to say, hey, we know your body needs this it needs this Mobility, but you also, Want to get toned you want to get strong. So you needed 3D functional strength. Oh and by the end of the day you want to be able to react to real world stimuli? Because if we're looking at the Arc of function while sooner or later, you have to go out and function and while that concept is kind of Up For Debate and has many different definitions in the industry. We can all kind of agree that function is individually determined with tasks and targets. Like hey, I would like to pick up this glass of water there for my function has to allow me to get certain joint motions and movements with in neuromuscular controls and I have to have certain sensory inputs. This is essentially what the proceed oh smack allows us to do is create a training program that allows clients to go through that functional needs wants and goals Arc with the power of AFS. But at the same time brings it into the Limelight of the personal trainer the gym industry the cross that are the strength and conditioning coach The Athlete on the field and it looks and feels and smells like strength training, right? Well, that's that's I think is all spot on and I think you know just by what you saying is scratching the surface of really what Percy dose is all about and you know where it comes to applied functional science. You know, we're big Believers in conscious tasks and subconscious reactions and to have a piece of equipment as powerful as the Percy dose. Matt really allows those conscious tasks to be easier to facilitate even more better individualize subconscious reaction. Actions for our patients and clients and of course how we can get to that point is not just the Brilliance of the the piece of equipment but the Brilliance of course of the education behind that piece of equipment that really equips movement professionals with understanding and applying applied functional science in a very practical way is really what separates, you know, Percy dose from other organizations that might have some mats as well and it's not, you know bashing those by any means but it's validating the importance of authentic. Movement built into an infused into a great piece of equipment you've been around us long enough to know that we have a saying a grain Institute that there's a drastic difference between the imprisonment of the tool using you versus the empowerment of you using the tool and so because this tool is so beneficial the Percy dose mats. If you could explain a little bit of the education that you offer behind Percy doses. Well it kind of hone in on the 3 R's two to just demonstrate. Where the rubber meets the road on where the education is applied through the proceedings Matt. I think that would give our listeners even that much more positive until to say whom this might be something that I want to get personally. This might be something that I want to get for my patients and clients because it really just makes my job that much easier. Exactly sure, and it's kind of crap. Is that a little bit more as well? I'm fortunate enough to be the director of education for the prestigious company as well. So all the education stuff, you know thankfully to kind of fulfill my passion of wanting to teach and speak and kind of inspire those to become curious about stepping up to that responsibility. I spoke about when we when we talk about attaining more knowledge and asking the right questions to better our cage. And clients. I fortunately had a pretty good hand in in crafting when you alluded to which is essentially our programming model, right? There's a there's a lot of theories. There's a lot of principles in the industry and then the other side there's a lot of techniques that don't have principles then there's a lot of everything kind of in between. So what we're trying to do kind of at Percy dose is like you said, we're trying to get the rubber to meet the road and we're trying to give a simplified version of a very complex system. Thus the human body and we're trying to systematize function in a way that makes it repeatable and easy for the client to follow. Well the easiest for the client to follow saying is already done because the task and Target environment of Percy dose is just kind of point and shoot approach right step to this number and reach to that or jump to here or squat to hear a lunge to hear but the power really comes in when we look at the programming model that we've called are three which are three stands for ReStore. And react and if we're trying to talk about function and we're naming proceed Jose functional exercise system powered by the leaders in applied functional science gray Institute. We're basically saying that our Arc has three different components to it the first part of the component when we look at function is well, what does the body need and from the proceedings perspective? Well, the body needs mobility and stability and this is essentially what makes up. Our restore function is before you can do anything and this This Rings true to trainers as well is before we put 500 pounds on the bar and go for it because trust me I've done that before it doesn't end. Well is we got a warm-up right? We got it. We got to get the body ready. We got to make sure that everything's good to go. And while there's tons of systems for basically getting the body ready. We like to say, well we want to restore what's called normalized motion throughout the system. Now again, remembering we're trying to kind of simplify things where we took a look and we said well, what is the body need and we Get three major areas. We look at the Foot and Ankle complex. We look at the pelvis and the hips and we look at the thoracic spine which follows grants a tooth big rocks. And we basically say well we want to restore normalize motion throughout these systems, right? So we use precede us to basically warm up the body and all three planes of motion by restoring this normalized motion both the mobility component in the stability component before we do anything. So that's what we teach right out the gate. Let's restore motion then we say, okay well Well, we are treating a full client and these clients usually come to personal trainers with the goal of weight loss or strengthening or of performance enhancement or anything like that. But the one thing that we can almost guarantee every client comes to a personal trainer you have any idea what it is Doug. I'll put you on the spot. We didn't prep this answer by the way. So this is true coming from and what's the one thing that all know client wants whatsoever. They don't want pain. I don't want pain ding ding ding. There we go. They don't want pain. So it's kind of one of those unspoken but really overlooked assumptive properties that as personal trainers. There's movement practitioners, right? You know, we usually think of pain okay physical therapist, but in an effort to try and Elevate the responsibility of the health and fitness industry, we have to assume that any client who comes to us into the gold does not want to get injured and normally the way we would have combat. That is we would say don't don't do Don't do that knees over the toes back straight. Look here. Do this basically take your body which is a unique individual smattering of organic material and put it into this box. And I don't know about you. But anytime someone tries to stuff me into a box. I am not a happy camper and I'm pretty sure we have we pretty sure we have evidence to say the body's not either so I proceeded owes we try and say well if we want to reinforce functional movement patterns or functional exercise patterns, we want to give the body a logical way to 3D itself safely, but also in a way that's going to promote resilience throughout the entire system. And that's what we look to do in our second portion is where applying the principle three dimensionality to say. Okay. Well if you want to become stronger you want to become quicker you want to tone up and lose weight. You want to do it safely. What can we give your body that it once in order to not only future proof itself, but at the same time get the strength the power the toning well, That's where all of our functional exercises get 3D. So we're lunging anterior-posterior. Same opposite side lateral same opposite side rotational and we begin to apply the calf's principles another certification from the gray Institute. That is simply enough located on the platform. So if you haven't seen the platform basically everything I'm talking about in terms of observational Essentials or what makes up these foundational exercises is all written out on the platform. So again making the job simpler for the practitioner everything that you need to to learn is right there. You just have to be able to ask the right questions and create the process for reinforcing these functional exercise patterns. And then if we get to this third are we're looking at okay, well in function the body needs normalized motion. It wants to have functional resiliency in all three planes emotion. Well now what's the ultimate goal if a function is goal-directed will the ultimate goal of any person when they Look out is to maintain the the freeness of injury and obviously apply what they've learned in the gym. So we're basically saying, okay. Well, this is where we get to have some fun. Not only with the body but with the mind because most people nowadays, I believe, you know are kind of thinking about this three point three pound Mass. It's in the in the head. It's called the brain and brain health is becoming one of those hot topics and the fitness world because we're seeing Rises of Alzheimer's dementia depression anxiety all of these cognitive neurogenesis. Gives diseases and we're noticing that exercise can have a positive impact. Nothing. Nothing new. The cool part is we're beginning to learn that with specific adaptations and interventions of certain cognitive processes. We can begin to potentially manipulate the decrease in cognitive decline as new and new as more and more research comes out and this is all based off selective attention type of training and basically what that means is if I'm looking at a proceed owes Matt, I got a Two numbers. I got a bunch of lines. I have to be laser focused in order to accomplish the goal. Yes. I'm creating a conscious tasks. Like I'm lunging to a certain number but I'm getting this powerful subconscious reaction through my body, which we know essentially is function. So our third and final our programming models, how do we create games novelty cognitive derive an exercise that not only allows the brain to improve but also once again kind of locks in that very critical piece of functionality. Auction where we are using conscious task to create subconscious reaction while engaging the client and new and novel experiences giving their brain a little bit of food and therefore kind of completing that art of needs once goals, which is restoring reinforcing and reacting to the Percy dose workout programming. Wow. Well, that's there's a lot packed into that little explanation that you provided which I think is going to give myself as well as our listeners a lot to think about but you kind of just you know, hit it hit it head on On that, you know, maybe pun intended there but that we are truly mind body and we're also spirit and when you think about the mind and the body when it comes to exercise, you know movement is one of those amazing things that people can benefit greatly for not only their minds but also their bodies, but it's kind of what you hinted at at the beginning of this segment and its really kind of that emotional or spiritual side or the outcome of the environment that's being created. That's not only do we as individuals that want pain which I'm glad I got that answer correct, but we also don't want to Fail and we don't want to be put at risk in which we may fail and what's amazing is that with applied functional science and with Percy dose that we're able to use some tasks and targets to meet an individual or he or she is at to empower them so that they don't fail but they're successful in the process, but what's great about it is it's it's that root word of functional and it's fun the entire way in the entire time. So it's got the best of everything when it comes to a plaid functional science. Which really of course is why we wanted to put our name on it because of course of the the infusion behind it. But more importantly that you know, we believe in you we believe in the people that of course that are pushing it forward and we are just more importantly honored to be a part of this process with you. And so if you haven't checked out proceed, oh, so I definitely encourage our listeners to do just that of course, they can look at it on our landing page through grainy Institute.com. But where else can our listeners learn more about Percy dose and the mats and the education and the other things that you guys Eyes have in the works. Absolutely. So I mean I think in this socially connected World social media is kind of our first go to at this point right Percy toast has a social media Instagram Facebook very very active on there where you can see people all around the world using the product and its really interesting to see once again people have many different passions and styles of training but Percy dose is becoming one of those uniting things that allows us to direct our purpose in the industry and We're currently in 22 different countries right now. So I'm checking out the procedures Instagram. Yeah, it's going to show you people from all over the world and how they kind of applied and you're going to look at and say wow. They kind of look like me kind of doing the same things. Well, yeah because all of our bodies move in certain, you know certain ways, but it's a great place to also see inspiration and begin to kind of pick that that Curiosity a little bit to say. Hey, I wonder why they're doing that and I wonder if I do it what it will feel like and then if I wonder if I look up top and I see See these different words and I change one of them. What's it going to do? So definitely the procedures to Instagram for sure. Second place is we do have a website which is a constantly evolving content Center where you can check out our education's where there's some training programs that are being put up. We have our lives eight our course, which is basically what we talked about where we really dive deep into the R3 programming model and we kind of coin this Mantra learning by doing so A very experientially based Workshop that allows you to dive deeper into the applications that precede us all that information. Is it www.prestigemitsubishi.com? And those are those are our main two options now, but of course no with are powered by gray Institute like Doug said, it's on Grace to.com, and I'm just by the focus of this podcast Percy dose is starting to Branch out into more podcast areas as well. We were just recently featured on a chase your better podcast is As well so you can kind of hear some more information conversation about how the proceed owes product is slowly but very, you know rapidly making its way into the United States as it is a Swedish product. So we're we're still kind of at the at the the new edge of a Uncharted Horizon here. So we're really excited to see what the map looks like. We're ready to deal with the bumps in the road. But most importantly we're ready to just keep kind of pushing the progress forward. Well gray while I appreciate all that. I also you mentioned that it's a Swedish project a product. And of course company that's branching. Of course globally, which is very exciting and I just want to give props and kudos to Yen's of course who is spearheading that process on the proceed? Oh side as you know, we're just blessed to be partnered with him and look forward to the growth of not only Percy dose. But more importantly the impact that precede us can hack continue to have without only the movement professionals. But of course also, the the further end users and our and the patients and clients. Clients and the athletes and the individuals that get to have fun on that mat in a very structured methodical and inspirational way and so as we kind of come to a close here Jason, what I want to do is I'm going to put you on the spot you kind of know it's coming but the put you on the spot by in 45 seconds or less you have to equip me as well as our amazing listeners with just one of the biggest Pearls of Applied functional science that you can share to continue. To empower our minds and to ultimately lead to some sort of application that we can put into practice go. All right. So if you haven't figured it out already and you don't know me from the past the biggest thing the biggest why that applied functional science has helped me kind of understand and and bring out is just the ability to remain open-minded and realize that what's in front of us is in front of us, but it's all about treating that mind-body-spirit the try docks and realizing that most importantly it's that Curiosity. It's that continued insatiable desire to A dry forward and remember that the people that are in front of you that you're serving are the whole reason the whole purpose and your why behind the what? Okay. Well you nailed that. I didn't expect anything different, but very succinctly done, but that's one of those things that I think is going to just continue to resonate in all of our minds that we definitely want to keep that person in mind. In fact, one of my buddies. He's our executive director of our nonprofit free to play. He's got a phrase and he would say that'll preach and so that'll definitely preach and continue to inspire. So Jason on behalf of myself on behalf of Grants to you on behalf of our listeners. I just want to take this opportunity to thank you. Your time. I know you are a busy busy. Bee you're traveling all the time, but the fact that you would block out such a significant time to capture this podcast so that we can release it to the world is very humbling and appreciated on this and I really just appreciate you as a person and as a professional as a colleague and just the way that you go about your day to try to learn more to inspire more so very humbly from the grace to decide we want to thank you. Well, it's right back at you Dougie. I can't I can't go ahead and top that. We're definitely going to leave those words Bounce Around in people's head. But from my side as well. Appreciate you appreciate the gray Institute. Everything is done from my life and really can't wait to see what we as a community are capable of doing well. I appreciated Jason and not thank you listeners for sticking through this, which is very easy to do when you have a guy like Jason talking. So appreciate your words Jason appreciate your inspiration and wish you well. Thanks so much. Thank you. Our second question again comes from Matthew Haley in r24 series here. And this is on one hand kind of a simpler question. But on the other hand kind of has some depth to it in 3D maps. Is it appropriate to perform the analysis and mobility and stability separately and come up with a RSC which means relative success code for each. Each or is the RSC only valid when combined into most stability. Well, first of all Matthew you have a very good understanding of 3D maps. I can tell that you're certified in 3D maps you've used it you've gone through it and you've helped a lot of people by understanding how their body moves for those of us who are haven't been introduced to 3D maps 3D maps is the most authentic human movement screen because it looks at all 66 Motions that make up all the vital human movements of the body and these represent the three planes of motion of all the major joints that influence other joints, and we're able to do it with just six basic movements of mobility and six movements of stability. So as you learn those movements where the first movement the anterior chain looks at our trunk and our hips and our legs and our shoulders through what we'd call a lot of action and the second movement the posterior chain looking at a lot of flexion going on and then the same side ladder and opposite side ladder looking at both sides of the frontal plane change and of course the all-important transfers plane change going same side rotational opposite side rotational. We learn in 3D maps that you come up with a relative success code. So it's not a relative failure code. It's not what you can't you do it's what you can do and that's based on. On the biomechanical understanding of the rule of 3 D and that is if you influence one plane of motion, you automatically influence the other two therefore we can to take advantage of that by saying if you are really good in this particular chain and not so good in that chain, the relative success code will start with success and by going through the right progressions that are outlined in the certification automatically the change that you weren't so good. In mysteriously not so mysterious. It's all biomechanics. It's not magic get better and that's because every movement is three-dimensional movement, but if we start with success and go to less success than we have this ability to get to where we want to go very quickly through all three planes of motion and through the neuromusculoskeletal system as we talked about again up in our first question in scoliosis. Now the question was do I need to Aggregate the mobility and stability or can I do them separately? Well, brutally, I love the idea of separate. So if I just went through the six mobilities, I could come up with a relative success code and then go to work start with the most successful and then work my way the least successful with the performance system and you would get dramatic Improvement in your patients and clients. I could also do just stability I could say, okay. I appreciate what Mobility is, but when I take away See I demand stability out of the body. Then that's this is going to be a way that I can use a relative success code for just the stability aspect. Now the certification teaches that we many times to get an overview of the patient and client. We combine the two so we combined the mobility and stability and what's what Matthew properly cause most ability and come up with a relative success code for that. Now what's even more exciting that As I can even take just a couple of the mobilities. Let's say I want to do the anterior chain same side lateral the same side rotational just those three and I can come up with a relative success code just with those three Mobility movements. I can do the same thing with any of the stability movements. I might say well just for I'm going to really look at what that post your hips doing. So I'm going to go my posterior chain stability. I'm going to go my opposite side lateral change stability, and I'm going to go my opposite side. Rotational stability because that really turns on the posterior lateral glute muscles and will give me a great idea what they're able to do in all three planes of motion. I can come up with a relative success code saying well your best one was the frontal plane opposite side lateral. Your next best was to transfers plane upside rotational and your lease best was your posterior chain, and I've go to work and I'd start with my most successful my frontal plane and just Working on the frontal plane and then going to the transfers plane immediately when we go to the sagittal plane that posterior chain. We all of a sudden see that. Wow, that one got better and we didn't even work on that one. That's because that was the least successful in this example, but because of the law of 3D that all of a sudden us taking the successful change create success in the other change, even if I take 3 in this case stabilities the other exciting thing about the relative success. SS code is I can use it for any of the performance systems. So as you know, Matthew all the performance systems have a performance system relative to the planes of motion or to the chains of motion that I can use. So for example, I might say I'm going to do Mobility pivots and I'm going to go sagittal plane pivots frontal plane pivots and transfers playing pivots. So I take somebody through Mobility sagittal plane pivot, so I'm doing my anterior lunge with my bilateral. Roll posters overhead arm swing then I take my foot back in my post your lunch and I take my hands down and back with my bilateral hand post your ankle arm swing and I go back and forth and mobility and I say, okay. I see what I got there with the right foot being a driver. I then do the left foot as a driver. Then I go to my frontal plane pivots where I go same side lateral top side Lateral with the proper hand motions that facilitate the reaction we want and then I do my transfers plane and I quickly Quickly see that. Wow, I can do a relative success code with my Pivot Matrix with 3D maps. And in this case, let's say my transfers plane was the best and then my sagittal plane was the next best and then my frontal plane was the least best. Well again, we start with that transfers plane and start tweaking that as the performance series will show us and immediately going through the transverse plane creating different tweaks create a better frontal plane pivot and then a better sagittal plane pivot, so It's getting to where we want to go a lot quicker and using the science of biomechanics and the magic and the biomechanical magic of the rule of 3D in order to get there. So I can use any of my performance movements and develop a relative success code again. I don't have to use all six I can pair it down to a couple at a time to really give me an idea where I want to go and how I want to get there. So incredible question Matthew, I really I want to share my admiration of you just from your two brilliant questions and just thank you for taking the time to reach out to us and asking them asking us to questions and give us an opportunity to share with you our thoughts and ideas and hopefully it stimulates more thoughts and ideas. Not only from you Matthew, but from many of our other listeners with this podcast. Once again, this is the greatest to podcast. This is Gary gray sharing with you hoping and trusting and literally praying that you all have a credible Thanksgiving season and that you just take just a pinch of time to sit back and have a big grin on your face and a big grin in your mind and a big grin on your heart with all the things that we've been blessed with and just the opportunity and privilege that others give us To share what's in our minds which in our hands what's in our hearts with others to enhance their ability to move and ultimately enhance their quality of life and in class and enhance their ability just to thoroughly enjoy life in the bless others. So continue to bless each other continue to uplift each other continue to encourage each other and keep the questions coming. We really appreciate them. Thanks so much. This is Barb. Thanks for joining us here on the great Institute. Just at Great Institute. Our goal is to do one thing the best we can and that is to help you become the go-to movement professional. 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December 2019 Gray Institute Podcast Show Notes Gary Gray discusses  a question from Matthew Haley in regards to  performing exercises with a pt/client with scoliosis. Do you encourage movement mainly in the pattern that goes opposite the curve to encourage new pattern and neuromuscular control and avoid moving in the already dysfunctional pattern, or is there some value in moving in old pattern (into the curve so to speak) in all 3 planes to encourage good mobility even in that pattern? Doug Gray chats continuing education with Jason Hamera. Jason Hamera graduated the GIFT program in 2015 and has since been involved in the PlayCoachMate Program within GIFT, Being in the fitness industry for 12 years, Jason has developed a passion for effective communion and teaching, which he fulfills via his role of Director of Education for Procedos. From training private clients, creating fitness curriculums, and leading international workshops, Jason strives to spark curious desire to learn in all those he meets as he refines his life’s purpose: Enhancing and inspiring the lives of others! Gary Gray answers this  question. In 3D Maps is it appropriate to perform the analysis in Mobility and Stability separately and come up with RSC for each or is the RSC only valid when combined into Mostability?

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Actually about three miles north of orcid ID exchange pigs cattle even had a few ducks and chickens and grew up doing 4-H went to Iowa State in animal sciences and then on and got a masters and PhD in genetics from University of Nebraska Nice. Been here at Purdue in extension research and teaching swine. I teach a 500 level genetics course, I teach wine production and I teach a one-credit 500 level swine growth model and class interesting. Yeah, very diverse. That's very cool. And so we have from from the South cooling strategy standpoint, do you have any idea and I know you mentioned previously that's a bit hard to to estimate the economic impact of hit stressing South. We have any we have any measures of that today? Well one estimate that I found heat stress in pigs in the United States total which include grown finish and South approach is about a billion dollars. Well on Outside it is a matter of how much the sounds are heat stress and under extreme heat stress. You can have an increased mortality rate right before during and after failing you'll have decreased intake decreased weaning weight and increase number of days. We need to have a stress smaller subsequent letter sizes and most producers know that they need to approximately. Ali double the size of their guilt pool when it starts getting in the upper 80s or 90s for some of the temperatures in time of farrowing time of breeding right because of the fairing rate reduction in rates going to go down. The number of sounds you can act in heat goes down the side of the guilt pool increases will be made in a lot of sounds with a lower conception rate. Subsequent letter, and then you'll be calling more sounds because you just don't detect them eat especially if it's a prolonged summer interesting very nice. So from you've been doing a lot of research on that that area of South cooling strategies. So I would be those latest strategies for cooling South. Okay. We have developed a cooling pad that is very effective at Cooling. In Val's, but other pads that have been developed in the past would use like steel pipes and put steel pipes in the concrete and it actually turns out you won't it cooling pad that has a low heat capacitance. It doesn't really stork eat but will transfer he excess heat from the south? Into the cooling water as efficiently and effectively as possible and the materials to transfer heat most efficiently are aluminum and copper interesting. We have a copper plate that is stamped on the top. So it's not smooth I try to play and then there's a patented thermal fin that attaches the copper pipes that's made out of aluminum. Hatches the copper pipe snap into but we can cool down valve depending upon the temperature using about a quarter of a liter to 3/4 of a liter of water per minute interesting where the where the water would be around 17 see come in if we on the more advanced pads that we just completed work on we go to electronic controls of flushing water. And you got to understand it first. We did a lot of what we call bench testing, but we had artificial to know which is about a 50 gallon tank of water on top of the pad with a rubberized kind of lower belly. And then we had a water heater that will heat the water at 37 to 38 C. And then we looked at different flushing. But if we if we can put either can have the It's flush on the set temperature of the base of the aluminum sheet or we can have kind of a control the timing of how often we flush the pads. But in that eighth, we let the water temperature rise the absorb the heat from the animal and then we flush and replace the water and the pipes hold about 1.75 liters of water. So we've got two liters of water if we use a plus Same Technique, we reduce the amount of water that's needed by another 50% And and if I recall correctly, you've seen a lot of change right from at least for a while respiratory rate and a few other things, right? Yes, and and I had a former student Francisco Cabazon was very self-motivated, but we took a lot of respiration rate. Skin temps and rectal temps and when we start a trial will have 12,000 maybe in this room and we'll go around every 20 minutes but we have heated rooms to 35 and sometimes if crept up to 36 C and the sounds are on the cooling pad at Point 6 .7 liters per minute are absolutely comfortable with respiration rate of 24 to 26 the sows not on cool. And Pad that's a control or control pairing crate at that same temperature for respiration rate around 10:00. And so we can actually with that seven tens of a Libra per minute, which is a very slow flow rate cool. The animal down is if it's absolutely terrible natural skin Town rectal temp and respiration rate if we up the water to about 1.1 1.2. Minute we can actually even over kill the animal even if the animal is at 30 60. Well, we did it once and put the pad at one point for the theater and the animal was moving from one side to the other side as it cooled down while side of its body to the other side of the body and so we can also estimate how much heat were removing. The pad is two-foot-wide 4 foot long a large how completely covers the pad. And we have the we know the inlet temperature we have from a couple in the water flow. We have the outlet temperature. We know the flow rate, but we have removed more than 550 watts of heat from the animal the animal the animal only is producing about 500 watts. So we actually can have an animal that is overheated and remove it lower its body. Sure by one one and a half degrees centigrade and then bring its respiration rate absolutely back down with in about 35 to 40 minutes time. Well now that 520 watts is more than four times that heat removal then can have with steel pipes in concrete far too because in concrete is just not an effective. For upkeep and so into the water. Did you do sobs Irv any change in feed intake or winning weight at all in our one Triad? We did we only had the animals he did the third 32 see here in the day and 27 see at night. We saw a 13% increase in feed intake. Well did that translate to anyway the other thing you have the other thing you have to remember? Is that the upper critical temperature true upper critical temperature of our modern sound that's nursing 14 pigs. It is right at 18 greasy and it may even be cooler than 18 see anyone that runs their firing house higher than 18 c is already Slappy overheating the South. So Al producers at the beginning of firing running their pairing house at twenty-three twenty-four twenty-five see That's ours the modern sound already overheated and and then of course in summer months when the room gets to be 25 26 and higher temperatures the animal is that additionally overheated right now. We have a team of people working on this heat stress physiology area from swine nutrition. Management point a reproductive and point heat stress physiology animal well-being standpoint and then we work with a USDA person Jay Johnson and we started doing work with indirect calorimetry with house but a typical sow on hot summer day by the time she's panting around 70 to 80 breath cemented as are reduced her heat production by at least 40 possibly. 50% wow now by the time she panting he's using energy to pant. So what what's happened? She sat down her digestion shunted blood to her skin and shut down milk production by 70 to 80% Oh, wow. So during the hottest part of the day the thousands of absolutely shut down milk production. And if you listen real close Pig suddenly, I am very hungry in the middle of the day. Hmm, then when it finally cools down later in the evening and at night the cells switch around their feed intake eat more at night and start producing more milk and using it then so we've quickly realize that the sounds are very Dynamic and once the cell starts overheating you see a cell panting at 60 70 80 breaths amended. She already has substantially decreased her milk production at that specific moment in time. Very interesting. Well, did you see changing when you weight or or not? Oh, yes. Okay. We the last small trial we had we saw both a 13% saying he didn't take and 13 percent increase in many ways. Oh, wow, the other people that had the cooling path with the steel pipes. Concrete also saw those tired of advantages even though they're the hottest part of the day. They have two rooms two was 28 see mmm. So we've not done any research. They'll smack dab in the middle of the summer, but we think that with the cooling path essentially we would have the same feed in tanks and same Wing weights that you would have if this how was absolutely Thermal neutral well, so can is it available today for for producers or not yet? What's the status of them help you have we have sign and number of NDA with companies who want to manufacture them by the hundreds? Hmm and then once those pads are getting built by the hundreds and by the thousands then we will be running as bir Grant and Doing trials to show their use on we call beta testing swine farms and we have a number of swine Farms the raised their hand and said that we want to want to be the first ones to have them and we would probably, you know do a farm in Indiana and new a farm in Oklahoma and do a farm in North Carolina kind of situation. Mmm well and and then look there change in performance over. You know over a year period of time very nice. Is it so are we talking here in the next year or so or more in the next year or so? Okay and Purdue owns the patents and the biggest thing slowing it down is discussion between lawyers. Okay, unsurprisingly, very good. Um, wow anything else on this topic? So she can go from cooling strategies specifically or in general as well anything that you recommend today as well for producers and there is one thing that that is kind of a struggle here. It's that with our increased litter size the baby pigs won't burn warmer and producers. Some of them are looking at what can we keep the pairing house 72 degrees or 73 degrees or 74 degrees and that's becoming increasingly. Increasingly too warm for the South and there are papers the modern Sal today produces 55 to 70 percent more heat than the cell did of the mid-1980s and whether it's highly engaging pigs and grow finish or its high milk production in South growth and milk production produces heat now the Ed next areas that we're going to be starting to do. search on its butt doctor caressed work and we're going in Jay Jonathan again with the heat stress physiologist will be gestating gilts and sows that are just bad at about a hundred twenty five percent maintenance and then also doing trials for boars at 32 C and 35c and then we will expose the animals to heat and the boers it will be a matter then of looking at their semen quality out the first seven weeks after the heat stress. Hmm interesting. And is that that one happening next year that will be happening in next year. In fact, the first week in January will be doing the gestation guilts and will quickly look at that data. And look at what if the optimal cooling for an animal that's being fed, you know at 350 pounds 125% maintenance and then make a decision. What's going to be the optimal strategy for the bars, but with the boars, it's a matter. Once your heat, press them you affect their semen satin weeks out. So you have to heat stress and measure their semen over seven weeks reassignment treatments and do it again. That makes sense. Very nice celebrating its 25th anniversary just all manufactures the original Wireless Standalone swine feeding system designed by pork producers for pork producers. They are simple reliable and provide Peace of Mind 24 hours a day 7 days a week 365 days a year just stall is not just manufactured by an equipment company, but by a family pork production business with a slat Understanding just all always one step ahead in swine feeding. It is time to our famous. I guess we can transition to two or three questions. Dr. Shankar that we ask every guest every episode. And the first one is what's your favorite swine related book? I would have to say it's NRC 2012, but some of the data in there as far as the growth curves ractopamine curves is my head. But the use that as my textbook for the one credit graduate level swine growth modeling and nutritional requirements, of course, they teach nice very good. Yeah, I love the NRC as well. Okay, and then how about a book or resource in general outside of peak production? Well, I would say I'm going to study the Bible and and that's been lifelong and then I Another book that I liked that was given to me by the author as she came and talked and spoke to one of our pork interest group meetings, but it's no more food fights. It's by Michelle Payne Cano / and it's a book on how in current agriculture. We need to defend current livestock production. Mmm-hmm and And how we're going to have to take a more active role in defending livestock production in the United States, right? That is interesting. I was not aware of that book. That book is copyrighted 2013 very good. And then the last question is what separates a successful sewing professionals from those that are not in your opinion. Well successful swine professional an attitude of being a little bit open-minded of being willing to continue to learn to accept that pigs change people change and I think that another successful thing is the art of being a soft skills of working with people and being a I would call a maybe a soft leader and you listen to people Gain, the respect of people and you lead about you know necessarily an Iron Fist and in your authority to actually really interacting with people interesting very very good. Now that that makes total sense type of leadership. Very nice. Very good. I appreciate your time. Dr. Simcoe. It's been a pleasure having you in the in the podcast and you know discuss about this very important topic of trying to cool ourselves in in the summer and also in some areas of the globe. That's pretty hot you're around. Yes. Thanks so much. You're welcome. Hey guys and girls. 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Today’s episode will cover “Sow cooling strategies”. “The true upper critical temperature of our modern sow nursing 14 pigs it is right at 18oC, and it may be cooler than 18oC. Anyone that runs their farrowing house hotter than 18oC is already overheating the sow.” – Dr. Allan Schinckel. Our guest is Dr. Allan Schinckel. Dr. Schinckel is a faculty member in the Animal Science Department at Purdue University. He received a B.S. in Animal Science from Iowa State University and a M.S. and Ph.D. in Quantitative Genetics from the University of Nebraska, Lincoln. His research interests include lean growth modeling, pork quality, repartitioning agents, and methods to predict carcass composition and value. Dr. Schinckel has collaborated on numerous swine research projects, including production systems, environmental effects on pig growth, food safety, growth promotants, and biological markers of disease and stress. What you will learn: The economic estimate of heat stress in sows; The latest strategies for cooling sows; What can be implemented today; What separates successful swine professionals from those that are not. Allan’s favorite swine-related book: NRC (2012) Allan’s favorite book unrelated to swine: Holy Bible and No more food fights Edited by Lauro Faccin

Welcome to Soul sugar. I'm your host carry rad. You might know me from my videos on YouTube. I love to chat about all things self-care self-love living our very best lives and finding our inner magic Soul. Sugar is a community of blooming Soul Seekers like sugar for your soul. Hello everyone. Welcome back to To an all new episode of Soul sugar podcast. I am feeling very excited today because I have a dear friend on today Kristen from Hopscotch the globe Kristen. I am so excited to have you here her and her husband see a create content on YouTube. She has one of the top travel channels on YouTube they talk about living in an Airstream and traveling the world with their little one Kai who is so freaking cute that I cannot. Wait to meet they give tons of travel tips and advice over on their YouTube on their Instagram and they also have their blog over on Hopscotch the globe. Hi Kristen. Hi. Thanks for having me. Thank you for being here. I'm so excited to have you first off just because you're so cool and even see ya just traveling the world in your Air Stream and just like all of your tips and advice and your little pup Atlas and and Hi, and it's just like you guys have the cutest little family doing the coolest stuff and I'm excited to have you here to ask you lots of questions about being a new mom and traveling with Kai and just what it's been like being a new mom and traveling the world. Yeah. I mean it's definitely different but that Dev different doesn't mean bad means just different and it's been quite the experience and a lot of learning and it's been it's been wonderful overall. I think it's so Important what you're doing because you're not only talking about. Okay. I have a new child and I'm you know traveling at the same time your top you talk about the challenges and you're very raw about giving birth and you're very raw about the experiences and you post about the ins and outs of everything and I think that that's one of the main reasons why I wanted to have you on as well because I think it's so easy for society to make us Feel like we have to do everything perfectly as mother's like I'm not a mom, but I know that I see that pressure and in the future I Look to people like you for inspiration when it's like okay. Well when I become a new mom, I want to know the truth. I want to know what it's going to be like and so I find you know, the things that you speak about really important and I'm really excited to have you on here to go through those. Stuff and like tell us tell us about what it's really like and the struggles and challenges but also the Beautiful Moments that come along with that and a lot about like the self-care of being a mother and how you kind of connect and connect back to yourself and stay present and and kind of get through it. So thank you for being here. Yeah. Thanks for having me. So my first question for you and it has a lot to do with what we talked about in our DM sort of where this podcast. God was born I have listeners who are new moms, and I'm hoping that you can help us kind of learn more about self care as a mother and a new mom and in this episode. I want to focus on that but I also want to focus on traveling as a mother and we'll get into the travel stuff later on first off to bring it back to where this episode was born. You sent me a DM chatting about postnatal depletion, and I don't know much about that, but I know it's an important. In thing to talk about can you tell me more about that experience? Yeah, so I didn't even I had never ever heard of postnatal depletion before getting pregnant even after having my daughter. I had never heard about it. No one because no one was talking about it and none of my friends have liked talked about it because I don't even think they knew what it was. The funny thing is like when you're pregnant so many people are like how you feeling. How you doing? And then right when you have the baby For a couple weeks people are still asking like, how are you like, how's it going but then a couple weeks passed and then that's it. Then it's all about the baby. How's the baby doing has a baby doing but you go through so much as a mother who has grown a human and given birth and because there's so much of yourself that goes into making a baby making the placenta birthing the baby then if you're breastfeeding, there's just so much you're giving to this child. And a lot of things can happen to your body motion and emotionally physically everything and I've felt felt it all I feel so because I couldn't no one was talking about it specifically on social media. You just see all this all the positive sides, which it is mostly positive, but when it comes to things like posting oil depletion, no one's talking about it. So I started just like kind of Googling what a how I was feeling and a couple articles came up by this one Doctor Who covers snail depletion. He has a whole book on it. So I I got the book and I'm almost done it and I was just like wow, I I finally feel like I can completely relate and how I'm feeling is normal and I just felt more comfort and how I was feeling because this this doctor was able to describe everything I was feeling and and help me learn how to deal with it going forward because it's real and it's It's it's really hard to go through for a new mom. What does it exactly feel like like how what are signs for a new mom that might be dealing with post natal depletion? Yeah. So I guess to clarify post-meal depletion basically is again when you're growing a like a baby and then afterwards I just even giving birth and then if you're breastfeeding the baby is taking a lot like your nutrients and if you're not getting if you're not eating healthy and getting everything that you need You need then your babies like getting it from your bones and like like everything everything basically that it taking everything from you. And if you're not getting the right diet, then it's you're going to feel depleted and and on top of that you need extra nutrients and extra vitamins when you are breastfeeding if you aren't eating right and if you're not resting specifically and the the North American culture when it's like you have the baby and then it's like back to work and back to normal life and you're supposed to feel great. You don't Time to rest properly and sleep deprivation and all this stuff adds up and that is what postnatal depletion is all about. So you have to first of all give yourself time understand the symptoms and there's various symptoms when it comes to postnatal depletion. It's not just like one thing and learning how to deal with those specific symptoms. You are feeling maybe early you're lacking iron or a lack in getting like enough sleep and You have to catch up and finding a support system that's going to help you deal with everything that you're going through. Yeah, I mean, I can't even imagine how that would feel after first off spending nine months giving your baby everything from you, you know, everything that all of this nutrition is going from you to your baby and then, you know, once the baby's there then you're being depleted. Right. So it that is such an interesting point that when you're pregnant people are constantly asking how you are and obviously at that moment in time. It's only you there that they can speak to and pay attention to and ask questions like that. But then you're right when the baby comes into the picture. It's like oh she's so cute. Like how is she doing? Is she sleeping? What does she like eating? Like, how is she responding to this? But it's like then when you're there as the mom just like depleting literally and it's like she's great. Am I? Okay and I think that it's so great that you looked into that to find out. Okay, like what am I feeling because honestly, I have never heard of postnatal depletion. I'm not a mom. So that might be part of it. But I've never even heard like my friends that are mothers who are really raw and honest about things with me ever talk about that. So it's a really interesting thing. To bring up and I think that it's so important. So if you know of a new moms listening to this feeling that way they can kind of look into it and figure out exactly what's going on with them. Yeah, I think also the feeling of being tired or we'll just that alone the feeling of being tired. It's played on as being normal. Oh, yeah, that's normal. That's normal. Of course. You're a new mom, but it comes to a point where it's not it's not normal like you should start to feel more alive again. And in the reason is again postnatal depletion and people because everything is so normalize all your feeling that ass and that's normal because you're a new mom. It goes on for years and years and people can mothers continue to feel crappy because they're convinced that it's normal to feel that way and it's not it's similar to our periods in the sense of we're told that normal to feel all of these things revolving around our period when it comes to like really terrible cramps or like super intense PMs and all of these things and obviously like that's the norm among women, but it's also like we're told it's normal and it's something that we just have to deal with but at the end of the day, these are things that we can kind of figure out the best practices to and habits to like get through that Stuff like do we need to change our diet here? Do we need more nutrition here or whatever it might be. So I think that that's such an important thing to remember as a woman is like we're told over and over again that these things that we feel are normal. We're supposed to just deal with it because we're women and that's just what we do, but you're right. It's like wait wait, wait a second. Like why do we have to feel this? We shouldn't be tired this long or be hurting this longer feeling this to pre depleted for such a long amount of time. So, what are your Practices that you do to connect with yourself when you're going through this new mom Journey like how how do you practice self-care and in particular? How do you connect with yourself? Because I know having a new baby. You're just so overwhelmed by this new being and like obviously can't get enough and Chi is the cutest thing on the planet. So I totally get that. How do you how do you kind of like connect? Get back with yourself. Oh, man, that's been a challenge and I'm still learning but I definitely have noticed a difference in the last I'd say even a month in a good way. I think ever since I took a trip without the baby and without my husband it was for work, but I went to Guatemala on a group trip that I had with my some of my subscribers and I didn't even want to go I was like, Do not want to go I do not want to leave. I'm breastfeeding like I don't want to hurt it to come back and she doesn't take my boob and I just don't want to leave her. She's too young, but it was fine. She's with her dad. He is amazing with her I can pump and come back and like I deep down. I knew this was important for the both of us for her and me and it was I came back. She didn't take the boob right away, but she did take it and everything was fine and it gave me a chance to really just Kind of tune in and have some space to myself and allowed her and her dad to bond and it was all positive and since then I find myself creating more space for moments like that whereas before I was just so tuned in to her. I would literally no matter where I was. I just be staring at her because they are memorized mesmerizing like you just want to watch every move but I noticed that I was spacing out of like everything else and now I'm realizing more of my surroundings. Things and taking time for myself and even if that's just like at the end of the day having a bath and watching Netflix while I take a bath for like a half an hour just having these little moments to myself are really important and other ways I'm doing that too is I started to journal or taking 10 to 20 minutes to read a book getting up in the morning and having a coffee to myself before baby wakes up. So just finding little moments throughout the day has been really really really positive essentially being able to do the things that you loved before even if it's like a smaller amount of time like you loved to travel by yourself before and like the fact that you had the strength to go out and do that. Anyways, you know, I love that it connected you back to her even more so because I think that like, that's what it seems when I talk to you. Arms, and that's what my mom has told me to like once you become a mom at you. Stop thinking about what you need to do. And what kind of what you loved to do before I think new moms also have too many expectations for themselves when it comes to like doing too much in a day and you have to realize that even if you have a two tasks on your to-do list, like don't don't be hard on yourself. If you don't get them done, it's like the little moments that that you have throughout the day that you really just like kind of your present within like even if your baby's taking a nap for 20 minutes because sometimes they are that short and I'm able to answer one email and have a like and make it t like that that is an accomplishment for the day until I really be proud of yourself for those moments and not just like overwhelm yourself with doing so many things especially doing all the things you were doing before you had a baby because because Your priorities and everything do change but it but that's okay and and it's and it's good to be you have to be good with that. Yeah, it's funny because sometimes I get comments on my channel of people who are like, yeah carry nice morning routine that you have right now. Wait till you have a child one day. I'm like, yeah, I'm sure to look very differently because I'm like I wake up I meditate I have my coffee then I had journal and then they're like no it's gonna be very different when you have a totally that's not a Badly, either because you know what people tell me to or have been telling me Oh once you have a baby, you're not gonna be able to travel anymore. It's like yeah, I am traveling. Of course. I'm going to travel if it's something I want to do. I'm going to do it. Is it different? Yeah, does that mean it's bad? No, just like your morning routine. Will it change? Yeah, does it mean all of a sudden it's not going to be as good anymore. Absolutely not it's going to be exactly it's going to be exactly what you need. And and you're going to make it work. It might be different, but that's okay. Yeah, and I think what's cool about It is it'll be different in a way that the it's going to be not so much about what everything that I need. And I think that that's really something that's so beautiful about motherhood is that you get to take some of the love that you've given to yourself and the time and attention that you've put into yourself and you get to give it to something else that needs you and there's like this beautiful balance that comes in where it's like, okay, like I'm going to give some of this love to something else. Absolutely. And another thing that happens is I have been able to accomplish so much after having her in terms of like running my business like things are getting done even more things than before having a baby and opportunities even more opportunities are coming in we're able to like like take on new projects and even more projects than before and it's because All the stuff that I was like giving my time to that war wasn't as important before Kai. It's like I can't do that now. 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With my attention because I have you know, I need to balance all of this out that makes a lot of sense. Yeah, exactly you travel for work and you would have brought CHI with you to many different places. I watch your stories and your Instagram to see like where Kai has been what she's doing where you guys are and so I want to know first off. I think it's so cool that you bring her with you to some places because first off what a beautiful Thing for her to experience. I think you're right A lot of people do say. Oh, what are you going to do when you have your baby? Like you're not going to be able to travel anymore and obviously you've blown those assumptions out of the water and you have done it. And so I want to know what is your best pieces of advice for a new mom that loves to travel and wants to be able to bring their baby with them. I would say first of all if someone's at anyone tells you that you can't do it don't listen. Listen to that because I am living proof along with many other moms and dads around the world. We're traveling with their children. I ever since I started traveling I would see parents with their young children like traveling the world and one of my favorite travel memories was when I was living in Ghana and seeing this little blond boy running on the beach with the local Canadian boy just having so much fun. They didn't they didn't look at each other and say weird. Right work from different places. They were just two young boys from different worlds coming together and having a blast and no care in the world and the parents are just on the beach just watching and it was just so beautiful and I'm like one day I want to do that and he's like here I am I'm doing it and it's when it comes to like things like what to pack and the preparation like and creating an itinerary. Maybe those aren't things that you were doing before like I did a lot more spontaneous travel. Before and now I have to plan a bit more not entirely like they're still spontaneity but preparing ahead of time when I will need specifically for my daughter besides that it's pretty much the same and and slowing down a bit which I actually love because instead of going boom. Boom. Boom. Boom destination to destination and just like on the go go go go. I have now slow down my travels and really taking My environment and the experience in a lot more slowly and really being in the moment and she's allowed me to do that because we have to we have to be slower when we travel with her and also experiencing the world through her eyes is so beautiful. So even doing the exact same thing I did years ago and doing it again with her. I'm experiencing it again for the first time because it's a whole different experience. It's been so beautiful and she grows every time we go to somewhere I knew she develops her like her personality shines so much. She's such a people person. She loves all people. She waves them she wants to be picked up by them and it's because of travel it's because we started doing it young with her. She's great on airplanes. She was asleep right away. Like she does not cry. So exposing them young is important and knowing that it is possible. It's more than possible. Do you have a favorite memory? You can think of of chi traveling with you guys. Like is there something that stands out that you were like? Oh that was really interesting to see her like respond to that that way or like anything in particular or is there a travel moment? That was like, oh my gosh. I'm glad we just got through that. There's been quite a few really beautiful moments that come to mind when traveling with Chi and one of them is was just on the airplane flight. Tend to walk by and Kai their big smile wave to them and put her hands out and was like pick me up and he was just like it just made his day and he picked her up and was like walking down the aisle with her and showing a different things on the airplane and it's just so cool to see her be so friendly and smile at every stranger. I want to be friends with them because she's been exposed to so many different people all the time in different environments. Another really great moment is just I was just like walking down the street in Malta and just like from the corner of my eye seeing her stare at every single thing just like really taking everything in especially like as I've gotten older. I find that it's a lot harder to be present as I'm sure many people can relate to just like watch this new human be completely present and absorb all her surroundings and not Think about what's coming up next or what happened yesterday and just like being present just like it taught me to like take a moment, you know, and and really soak in the experiences as well for myself. So I'm learning from her all the time. And another another moment is just walking through nature with her. I think we were in Mexico and anytime that we walk through a forest or by trees. I always hug hug them in front of her because I'm totally a treehugger love it and she's been doing it now. So I remember her in Mexico reaching out to a palm tree wanting to hug it and she just like gloves touched touching it and like looking up all the way see how tall it is and just really enjoying being in nature. It's been beautiful. That is so sweet because I know that about you the tree I think your photos of you hugging trees and I love that. She's just like following in your Footsteps in that and I think that It's so sweet when the the idea of being able to see the world through your baby's eyes, you know, that's such a neat thing and I think that that is one of the most beautiful things about motherhood because even just like seeing a baby. I like went through I'd say like a couple years ago. I was like going like down a hole on YouTube of babies trying lemons for the first time. Yeah and like their faces like even just something as simple as that you're like, this is so freaking hilarious. Hilarious to see happened and I can imagine just on such a larger scale in like traveling the world and like having your child just experience all these things and it's such a beautiful way for a child to understand that the world is so far beyond their their little world where they live, you know, and I think that had like giving that knowledge and experience to a child that young. from such an early age like just hearing you say that she's like picking me up to the flight attendant that such a trusting beautiful thing and you're right like she loves people because she's traveling the world and meeting all these different people and that shows in in human beings as they age, you know, they're going to be trusting and loving and loyal and understanding two different types of people because they've been able to experience it from such a young age and I just love that so much and I think that it's so inspiring because I do think that as somebody who hasn't had a child yet. I do think about the things because I do want to be a mother one day and I do think life's going to really slow down like I'm going to be home and like I have those thoughts but then I but then I remember oh, wait a minute. No, that's not going to happen first off because my fiance Future Husband future baby. Daddy is Travelers. Well, so he's you know, we're still going to do those. Bangs and that makes me feel good. And I'm so glad that I have someone like you to be like what the heck do I do kind of look to you to you know for that guidance because it's it's going to be a scary thing to have that first experience, but I think it's so important. So I love that, you know, you're here talking about kind of how to do it and that it can be done. So thanks for that and I want to know from you besides. Ravel like just putting travel aside. What what would you say is your biggest number one tip, like if like let's say I was either I was pregnant or one of your best friends a family member came up to you somebody listening to the podcast just found out that she's going to be a new mom. What would be your biggest tip of advice? First of all, congratulations because being pregnant is so awesome. I loved it. I would say first of all it's soak that up. Because it is quite the experience to grow a human and feel all of that feel the baby moving here. It's heartbeat get to see like ultrasounds of it growing and just like connecting being able to connect to it because the father's don't get to do that. So like you develop a relationship with this baby right from the number one day like as you start as it starts to grow inside of you. So soak that in and take time for yourself. tough to really absorb the experience of like make your way into motherhood and also as a single woman to write because like you're kind of like in the in between your yes, you're pregnant you are with child, but this is also a time to really have time to yourself before the baby comes because when the baby comes of course things do change and it is harder to find time for yourself, especially at the beginning which is Okay. Yeah, that's that would definitely be my number one advice to really appreciate the pregnancy tune into yourself and take time for yourself before the baby comes I am going to have Kristen lead our soul sugar moment today Christians. Very Zen. She's just as n being anyway, so I'm very excited about this. This'll sugar moment. So Kristin take it away my love. Okay. Well, I want to challenge you the listener. Whether you are a mom to be or you're not this this is just for all of you. I challenge you to go into nature and hug a tree and maybe that just made you laugh because it sounds very hippie. But it is extremely powerful to just Go find a tree wrap your arms around it and just like really try to feel its energy because it exists scientifically proven trees have so much energy and when you connect with them, you really can feel it and every time that I do it it just it feels like a breath of fresh air. I just feel like a new person. I feel calm. I feel relax. My mind is clear. I'm able to be completely present in that moment and I always leave. Like I walk away with a huge smile on my face. So it's a great way to start your day. It's a great way to end your day. If you need that little moment of because you're feeling overwhelmed and the middle of the day I challenge you to do this and I guarantee guarantee whether you are hippie or not. You will feel different. So go out there hug a tree I will say I've tried it it is true. It is like this moment of connection to you know, just mother nature and this energy that is it just makes you happy you're hugging a tree and please send us photos of you hugging trees if you can get one. If not, that's okay. But if you if you're in a place where you can you can just like set a timer and do it. This pictures and tag us because I would love to see pictures of you guys hugging me too. And so that leads me to also where can people find you Kristen they can find me. We have our blog Hopscotch the globe.com or you can find my husband and I and cayenne Atlas our dog on YouTube Instagram Hopscotch the globe as well. So yeah on all the social media. Yay. Thank you so much for being here. Thank you. Been amazing and I can't wait to see you in. Yes, and he kind for me too. Can't wait. Thank you all so much for tuning in to today's episode. I hope that you enjoyed it while you're waiting for our next episode come chat with us over on the Instagram. It's at Soul sugarcoat. 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Before I continue one of the ways, we keep all of our content for you. The listener free of charge is our amazing sponsors, and today anchor is one of those sponsors. If you haven't heard about anchor it's the easiest way to make a podcast. Let me explain it's free. There's creation tools that allow you to record and edit your podcast right from your phone or computer anchors going to distributor podcast for you. So it can be heard on Spotify Apple podcasts and everywhere podcasts are listened to and you can even make money from your podcast with no minimum listenership. It's everything you need to make a podcast in one place download the free anchor app or go to Anchor Dot f m-- to get started. Hey gang, what's going on? Welcome Back to the show. It is Cobra Kai season 2 episode 8 Glory of Love and we have a special guest in studio with us. Mary Mauser will see you guys in one second. You are tuned in to AfterBuzz TV the ESPN of tv top. Now let the holy moly. I know this is exciting. I can't believe you're here. I just watched hours and hours of You must be exhausted skated before so this episode was, you know, very exhausted a literal separate training session for this episode for like us like no stunt doubles were used for this stunt doubles were around and they can you just hold my hand. No literally like we had, you know, all this training going into the show was all this like martial arts stuff and then like by the time we're like a couple weeks and they're like, hey, everybody knows how to roller skate, right? We're like, yeah sure. Every one of us other than Tanner was like, uh Tanner who plays Robbie was just like yeah cool, whatever and so we got a whole separate training to weekends for this is roller skating not something that's still no I cannot so I don't know who that was like a huge Friday night was there more roller skating training. Then there was karate more dangerous seven and eight she super awesome. She was directed on season one as well. And she has she heard that I was horrible at roller skating and she was like I got you so she actually took me the first time and she was like, let's go we'll talk about the episode. We'll talk about the character. You know, where you feel like you are at like with all this stuff and and while we do it well roller skate, and I forgot that I put the locker key in my back pocket. I fell so many times and then I the other than a few days later, I think I was trying on like a bathing suit for an Episode II like what the hell happened. I had a big big black and blue bruise. So I think I came out probably more beat up from the from the roller skating than I did The Karate awesome. Well, there's a lot to talk about in this episode. We are going to we want to pick your brain about all the things that happen, but it's episode 8 there's a there's some big stuff going on Johnny as relationship of Carmen. We want to talk about that a little bit, you know his super sweet White Snake dream that the episodes card. Yeah. There's Daniel is trying to repair that obviously, it's not going well after what's happened with missing the meeting you Sam's relationship with Robbie, which we're super excited to talk to you about and then of course Johnny wanting to really kind of update what's going on with Cobra Kai the tone he really wants to take it back into his hands with the departure of Korea. So there's a huge amount of stuff to cover and I think let's just let's just jump straight in with the same relationship with Robbie because I think oh, yeah, that's this has been Here There and Everywhere this season and we're all wondering just kind of where it's going to go. Yeah. Yeah, go, please. Go ahead. No. No, I need you. I don't know. I could say but then I feel like it was same time. It's like II to me it was so normal. It was like after last season. I we all sit around make predictions in our head and I'm like, okay, so like they can't do like gallon Sam too soon. So it'll probably be Robbie. But like do I like him does he like me? Like, where's that gonna go? So like we had all these like predictions that we made at the end of last year and then going into this year. I think it was weird because like going into for season one when I did my audition. I knew I met Show Low and I was like, I'm gonna have to kiss you at some point and I was like am I That way, you know in a way that like kissing a total strangers normal, but like it was it was something I could have like knew going into the relationship. Whereas with Tanner. I had a whole year of friendship and then going into this season. I was kind of like this is gonna be weird weird weird. Yeah that seem like this is awkward. Yeah. It was actually super fun because he and I were just like best friends we hung out all the time. So I felt like it was very like natural. Yeah the way that it felt but I'm so curious to know what other people's reactions were because the whole time Filming everything people going to hate it or people going to love it. Like I know there's so many teams San Miguel's and then there's going to be I feel like people who kind of see this new like other side to her that maybe this is kind of more of a better place for her. I don't know some have people reacted on Twitter. I mean, have you following your people say like, oh, I'm team Miguel. I'm team Robbie. Yeah. No, I'm definitely I've last year. I mean it was literally like everything in my offseason was a message at least three messages a day saying it's a man Miguel question mark same and Miguel question mark and I obviously Answer anything so I'm just like sitting here like please don't be mad at me. And then now these entities come out. I've been like I've seen a few like okay, I see where this is going. Like ok. Nevermind. I change my mind now, it's Robbie their styles are so different. I thought it was interesting when we were there at the Paley event with you the other night. I loved I loved what they wore to the event. Yes answer is in the bright red suit and he's got the Fedora got the style doesn't like way way more of like just like a I even asked him about it. He just like looked like a bro. You look like a cool. Oh, you're super cat. I have no styling sentence. Like I rely on my buddies to actually put this together for you know, they're they're both awesome. But the I totally just like in the show, they are completely different people. Yeah, which was interesting. I guess to kind of Imagine where how Samantha would go from one to the other and such kind of like polar extremes, but I feel like that's kind of where she's going like she at the beginning of the season is just in a place of like I need to cleanse from what I went through and kind of similar to Miguel and where he's going with It's like this polar opposite of what they had originally. So I feel like I ate it for me like made sense that she would start to develop feelings for Robbie. Also, like Aisha says and I think episode 3 or whatever like you're just you and abs out there like training in the hot sauce is a great argument there. I love Mary that you brought up like this is like Sam needs to cleanse the summer from everything that she just went there because we have talked on the show about kind of what was her motivation for wanting to pick up Karate again, because obviously all the Kids and Cobra kind of have a background of being bullied and want stand up for themselves. Sam's background isn't exactly that so I guess it is kind of just you would you say just trying to forget everything? Yeah, get her own hands. I feel like I feel like you know, I've talked before about how I imagine that when Sam was younger and like we all know she practiced karate when she was a kid and like how when you're younger but lessons you learn from a parent from her parents, like don't sink in quite the same or like me and quite as much because you're a kid and it's like yeah. Yeah sure like kids are me and I'm like It's important to stay true to yourself. Sure. Like they would be like to become a teenager. You're like, oh like maybe that actually is like mean something and it's more important and kind of like how she would realize at the end of last season that the people she was hanging out with maybe aren't the people. She wants to be like aligning herself with and then that you know, this guy who broke her heart. He represents all the Cobra Kai is to her now. And you know, even though her best friend is also there like she doesn't know where she stands at all that so like that she would go back to her dad and his style of karate. Rather than joining Cobra Kai or rather than going back to what we imagine she did in her off time like gymnastics or ballet or whatever else how she did to keep active, you know like that. She would go back to those lessons that maybe she didn't quite understand the first time but now she realizes that there's something there that could apply to her now the a gymnastics background little bit. I don't Tanner does Tanner does Hard he goes hard. He works hard. The four of us ran together. It was shallow Tanner Jacob and I for like the month before we went and then for the two weeks there and you know, she'll just go super hard. Jacob's just goofing off having a great time. I doing whatever he can do trying to learn how to do these backflips and just oh my gosh knocking himself out on the floor. It was so funny. And then and there's Tanner who's just like effortlessly like, oh you want to see me do an aerial? Sure. No problem do anything to do like a back? Okay, fine, like super easy for him. And then there's me he's over there. Like sweating with all of my hair in a mop on top of my head just like we'll get through this your character. I think this episode changed because I always thought it you know, especially in the first seven episodes that you were going to be the go-between between Cobra Kai and Miyagi and you were going to help bring thinking like well, they're not all bad. I think was what you were saying earlier and this see this episode. I think in in addition to the last one you will win Torrei comes in kind of changes that and you really dig into just being Miyagi yeah, well, I feel like that like that moment. When when Robbie and Sam walk into the roller rink, and he is Sam we see I see Miguel and that's like, oh you two know each other this girl who's like been awful and I feel that she's stealing away my best friend who we were supposed to reconnect at this point, like why you know, and she's defending her instead of coming to me and like all this stuff. And and now of course my ex-boyfriend now is dating this girl. And of course, she's in Cobra Kai like that is perfect sense. And then I feel like that's kind of like the moment we're for Me like with Samantha that it changes into you know, you know what like there is something going on here. There's something more and I feel like also just emotionally like you can't always stay in check. I feel like Samantha does a pretty good job of being pretty logical even though she gets caught up in her emotions. She starts to try and she's thinking forward and she's trying to figure it out and she's like, okay, I'm heartbroken, but I'm not just gonna sit around be heartbroken. I'm gonna challenge myself and go back and get you know, and she's like thinking ahead of herself. But in that moment, I feel like it's just like okay, of course and then at the end of her beautiful date night, You know Tori ruins it for her and that's like, you know, I feel like just that kind of is the beginning of the downfall of like let's be fair. There wasn't one line that you said where I really felt bad for me gal wouldn't when he confronted you you were like, but it's not a date. It's like oh that is exactly how you played Miguel and he knew it I felt horrible as I was even saying I was like I didn't realize a person is reading the script. I was like, it's not a date and I was like, oh, oh, Samantha. You to check yourself out. This is not fair. I'm surprised actually in that scene at the roller rink, because there's a couple things that we realize in a couple lessons we get but I was surprised that Miguel's reaction to seeing the two of them together was as like mellow as it was there actually because I feel like you I almost feel like you would have freaked out but I guess now he's got Tori so I mean that that whole entire the four of them and then the other part of it that was so interesting is that she trips are but then she reacts and then you guys get in trouble. Yeah, which is like substance. Lesson of Miyagi doe versus Cobra Kai, you know, it's like if you react and you react angrily and you're gonna be the one that gets thrown out, right? Yeah, I'm Peyton's little smile at the end just like she's so nice in person, but she gave a small was like what could fight deserved it slammed you and then you tripped. I'm like yeah Sam. I know it's wrong but good for you. Yeah. No, I mean, I'm also the french fries flying. That was what I felt bad about always it fries. No, Sorry about your parents are in the show are having a bit of a tough patch. And you know, Daniel is trying to do everything that he can to fix it with Amanda. Now, one of the things I think is really funny anytime. You have a show that's based in LA. And those was the live in LA you relate to the things like sugar fish is my favorite Sushi is like the top of the top. I love it. I'm obsessed with it. Like I look forward at any time I ever get to go to that place. You know, we mentioned Joan's on Third like it's just funny and he says, you know, I went over there. I went over the hill and it's like we relate to that stuff. It actually means that I know I love that. I love. And even in season 1 there's that like shot where John he's driving in this the sign says like welcome to Encino. I'm like, it's so funny. But so he tries to do everything that he can Daniel does to get her back, you know, he's bringing the kids in to help clean. He's he I mean honestly he's going back to the old memory and it this feels like a this feels like a TV moment, right? It's like it's an arc. You need to show this in the episode he needs to get her back you needs to show that effort, but he's still not Totally making it happen. He's still not completely like it's band-aiding the situation and she makes the comment it's a head wounds putting a Band-Aid on a great line. Yeah. Our marriage is ahead open head wound. Yeah. I know that got me. I'd be like that. I feel like I love Courtney so much who plays Amanda? I think she's amazing. I like I've seen people compare her to Miyake and I think that's so true that she's like Daniel sent her. You know, she asked me checks her like that and she's like, you know, but in her way, it's not the like wisdoms that she gives but it's these the wisdoms. Wrapped up in this like little sarcastic bow, and she does like gives them a little a little check every once in a while. I'm like, I love that and definitely like it was hard for me as their fake kid, but also is like a viewer to like watch the relationship this season and I felt like that moment like at the in the car and when they you know, when he tries his best and you're right, like it doesn't fully fix the problem. The problem is still he splitting his time. The problem is still he's his mind is not just on his relationship and his family where and his business where it was a year ago. Now he's So caught up in this Cobra Kai world and I feel like that definitely comes back. Like he doesn't necessary band-aid and if he does better than Band-Aid it by the end, you know when they have that moment in the car, I feel like that's more than a Band-Aid. But at the same time we see in like 9 and 10 in the tensions between them still that it doesn't necessarily make it go at all away and we'll talk about that a little bit more because obviously there is more to talk about there. So but on the flip side of it the other relationship in the show is the one that the episode opens with which is such a such a hilarious moment such a great sequence. I could watch that opening. Yeah a million times. Yes Johnny and he's imagining Carmen and it's like a throwback to the old white snake videos with him like Tawny Kitaen on the car from back in the day. Yeah, like there's the old Whitesnake videos and David Coverdale and he's totally it's it is the white snake song and he's just like you look on his face as he sleeping. Yes. So good so good where she's pouring cores in his mouth hysterical. I loved I remember when everybody was like talking about this like, oh we're moment. We're from the dream sequence today were filming the dream sequence today and I was like dang I was on another unit. I didn't get to see it happen, but I just thought it was so funny the like the like Gigi the like her like black robe or whatever that like Matt minute like Aggie and then like training. I thought it was so funny. And then she like she like throws her leg up next to his head. I think it went away. Oh, yeah go girl. I can be hot. There's like a lot. I mean they live that's just like a real Love Letter by the pilot for the creators of the show and they talk about how much love they have for like back. Future too and these old movies from the 80s. Yeah, and this is a very very clear throwback to all these music videos and it's just part of the culture back. But yeah, it's really great. And so then we start talking about Johnny and his love life and this app culture and you can do what you like. Do you like that? He comes up with for things like your teeth. This is Johnny Lawrence a smartphone like cringe, but it's so good. He's on the day and she's like you can read your email on your smart watch He's Yeah, I read mine on my smartphone. Yeah, but yeah, so and and him on the day. It's great and he's like so what do you what do you like Johnny? What are you looking for is like muscle cars Iron Eagle 1 and 2 that's enough that's on the internet. I love the winning when she when the lady that he State like the first I think it's the first like date that he goes on and she's like, yeah, I have two kids while Juan he's like, yeah, I work with kids all the time and she's like that's amazing. Like that's so great. He's like, yeah one time like this kid is like goofing off. It was on his phone. Whatever and she's like, oh, I know how that is and he's like, yeah, I just made it a flying elbow that problem just like oh my God, this is how he would parent like so as he's as he's doing this thing and he's on these dates. There's one really interesting thing that happens and he's looking up a lie, and they've now teased Ali a couple times and he sends her accidentally accidentally because he decides it's not a good idea after a desperate message that he deems desperate himself before sending. Yeah, but it sets up. You know, we haven't seen Elizabeth Shoe in the show. Yeah, and we may or may not but this is definitely a moment and you see it a thing happen as the girl bumps into him and you just go I want to know more right now. I need to know more what's happening. Even I the viewer. I like a lot of times that we were shooting back-to-back day. Like we were shooting on the by the time you reach the end of your shooting like three units on one day like it was Insanity like just getting everything crammed it because you know, they want a bigger and better this year. We got the same time line. So we're doing bigger and better as We have our ability but there were days where I mean, I'm we're over on the Miyagi unit. There's a cobra Kai unit. It was almost literally divided between dojos like the whole season. It was kind of like, you know, we would work at there's rarely any crossover other than like, you know, the roller rink and stuff like that. Like there was rarely any crossover. So there was plenty of stuff that I didn't get to see how it finally came out until the show aired and I refuse to watch anything with a watermark, so I didn't see it before the day that it drops. Like I watched it live with everyone else and and there were moments like that. Where I was like what and I was thinking myself as a do I go back to my scripts right now and like see where this goes or do I just like wait and let it play out and I did I just like I waited and let it play out. So like there were aspects like that where I was a viewer. I was sitting there I was like, oh no my boyfriend's like, what do you mean imagine? Like, this is your show? That's so cool. That's it. So great that you're such a fan of it because it is a great show. So so anyway this this thing happens he sends a bit while at the same time. He's at the bar Jonny. He sees Graham. Oh my God. Well, I expect in that moment. I kind of was oh no boy kind of person to sense that. It's like okay. We they've been teasing this relationship between Johnny and Carmen for a while now and then all of a sudden she meets this guy how convenient the now she's unavailable. So I felt like something kind of what we were talking about last episode where Robbie gets the Medal of Honor back but doesn't give it to Sam kind of setting it up for you know, a wave and easy out. So that this relationship can I did love you? I didn't think it would be that fast. Though. Yeah, I didn't think that same episode starred end. I'm glad it was because like I said, I ship I ship the two of them Johnny and Miguel small German. Yeah. It's a great car show named Carmen Barney car to go back to Jarvis. But yeah, so I love I love when he first meets Graham. She's like, this is Graham. Isn't he fun? He's like head. She's like mumbles. Johnny's reactions to everything like I feel like Billy zabka is just so incredible and the way that he does this role. It's like he's taken this like absolute villain quote-unquote. Yeah, and now we see all these different dimensions in layers, but he still has these little things these moments. You're just like that's that kid who like who like Bully Daniel is like it like that. That's so like it's so honest and true to who he is and I feel like he's just he's no good at like covering up and faking it. He's no good at like pretending. He's like, I don't dance like I don't do stuff like he's just like everything is just so like honestly, Johnny and that's the one of those moments like I died laughing. How did this is a question cuz we've talked about the pieciness of this show the political correctness and how it always is like swinging the pendulum back a little bit with Johnny's character and obviously with Kris. How do you see that? And how does like your boyfriend see that and other people look at that are do you react negatively to that or do you see what they're doing? I see what they're doing. I mean for me personally like I believe that there are so many issues. That need to be addressed right now. There's so many things that we need to figure out and the way that we handle things especially Publican publicly and TV and stuff like that because that's that's where we get a lot of our opinions in a lot of our information. So I think those those the pendulum going the other way is so important but I feel like it's also fun in a way to like check yourself in like it's satirical and a little way to just be like that's like there are still people who just call everyone, you know. Yeah things I don't know. Like nowadays, you're like stay away from it or so taboo, and it's almost fun to kind of like mess around with that. I don't find it offensive at all because I know that it's all for the the spirit of staying true to the character and it would anyone really like Cobra Kai as much if we didn't have like the honesty of the characters being who they are like that is who Johnny is like he says awful things. He has these awful opinions like the moment when he like picks up the phone. He's like, yeah, we accept boys and girls and he's like what gender what and Yeah, I don't find that offensively but I'm like very much like an activist in many of those things like I believe in these in these causes but I don't think of that as offensive for me. I think of that is an honest take at the way that that generation looks at that those you know, those new things that are coming about these issues that we're addressing comedy is all about pushing boundaries and that's what you hear every stand-up comedian say that's why that's why some stand-ups come under Fire for being Politically Incorrect and others don't some say they don't care. I mean that's you if you want to write humor and you want to write humor Have the right Honest like an honest honesty is the funniest So speaking of Johnny and kind of trying to reform a little bit and who he's going to be. He does have to break the news here to the dojo that Kris is gone and they don't see it coming and it says since a crease is no longer be with us things aren't black and white. I really loved this moment. I think when he says because it's just that's just paint on a wall but you gotta you gotta in real life things are gray. You got to lend you learn to use your head. I thought that was great like he's I keep saying it but he feels like A fully-formed character Johnny does and and I'm so happy. I'm so happy to see what's happened with this character is I'm just I'm just totally bought in. So I do want to kind of know what this Eight Episodes into the show where each person is in terms of the character than the most invested in before I do really quickly. I want to remind everybody here. We are the ESP n of T v-- talk AfterBuzz TV provides an after show for just about every single show on television. So we've got like 12 different YouTube verticals each one one Services drama one Services Red Carpet Events, you know, we just did. The interviews with Mary this week at Paley Center. You can see those interviews up on the red carpet Channel we have that so like comment subscribe and of course leave a review on iTunes five stars preferably. It's how we continue to stay high in the standings and provide free content for you the listeners and the Watchers. Who are you guys rooting for right now eight episodes in who's the story that you're most the best? I think I'm full on team Johnny. Yeah, I think with the way that he kicked Kris out. He actually spoke it and to his students and said no we're changing. I think I'm fully team John. I'm gonna jump in and say I'm not surprisingly I totally agree. This is this was the episode where I was and I had really been on the Johnny training for a while, but I'm gone Miguel one point but this episode was just like I'm so hyped on Johnny Lawrence. I love what he says the students at the end of the episode. It really makes me want to see him win. So yeah, I'm Johnny even with the reference if you got to use your head. Yeah, it's great. I'm going to have to go with Sam and I think I said this to you at the carpet and at the end of season 1 when you stepped into your girl power, We could see that Arc was going to start happening. I'm so invested in your story with Miguel your story with Robbie and Tori. I'm loving every second of it. She ate it I would definitely agree with everyone you to basically saying Johnny. Yeah, I just love the moments. Like we finally get this this speech of how yes, this is how he wants to train the new Cobra Kai. This is the this is informing the they're not the bad guys as Sam kind. I pointed it out and I love that because it's been frustrating kind of the back and forth of you know, people thinking that they're terrible and them being like we just you know, we're strong and we have our issues but we're not the bad guys and I love that. I feel like now Johnny's it's really starting to come together that they're just their own unit and Mary you're watching this and you because you like you said you didn't watch until it. Are you good at episodes in where are you with a story? Like, who are you behind the most honestly in this episode specifically, I think I like team Amanda. Yeah, because I feel like she does. Much like a she it's like it's just like a reality check in this world of like warring dojos and all this drama about karate and all the stuff that like is fun to like watch and stuff like that. It's a reminder that in real life like theirs. So you have to focus on more things than just the thing that you're angry about the thing you're passionate about the thing that like you have to like, you know, bring it back to reality and back to like, it's you still have a family at home that needs you and you still have you know, a business and all the stuff that like Daniel is again at odds with what he did. With his ability to balance ironically but I don't know. I just love like Amanda's whole did she doesn't just give in it's not like another show where it's like, okay, well like will throw in the wife being angry for like two minutes, but then like, you know, she gets over it. Like I feel like Kourtney just like took Amanda and she's just so genuine and honest and she's like not being mean about it. She's not being off of the Daniel. She's just like I'm honestly really hurting you're gonna have to do more than get me sushi to make it right? Well the comparison of her and mr. Miyagi. 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COBRA KAI IS BACK! On this episode of Season 2, Episode 8, hosts Ben Bateman, Veronica Valencia, Tami Goveia, and Michael Clouse talk about: Johnny’s relationship with Miguel’s mother takes a fun turn, Johnny breaks with Kreese, Daniel’s relationship is on the rocks with Amanda,  Sam and Robby wanting to go public with their relationship and roller skating takes a turn for the worse. About the After Show: Loved THE KARATE KID film? Then you surely must be watching Cobra Kai on YouTube Premium. It’s a series set thirty four years after events of the 1984 All Valley Karate Tournament where a down-and-out Johnny Lawrence seeks redemption by reopening the infamous Cobra Kai dojo. On this COBRA KAI AFTER SHOW, our hosts review, recap and analyze the latest episodes and bring you inside scoops from cast and crew. ABOUT COBRA KAI: Thirty four years after events of the 1984 All Valley Karate Tournament, a down-and-out Johnny Lawrence seeks redemption by reopening the infamous Cobra Kai dojo, reigniting his rivalry with a now successful Daniel LaRusso.

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So we are just going to get right into setting the record straight. So and these are just where I am going to ask you a lot of questions or misconceptions. Is that people have about teachers and you're going to tell me if they're true or if they're false? Okay, let's go you do not get paid a lot. Oh, definitely true. Yeah. I think I get paid the let the lease out of all the friends. Yeah. So that is I am a big believer that teachers are super underpaid definitely so I knew the answer to this one, but I needed to address that grading is the worst part of the job. Honestly. No grading grading is the most tedious part of the job it takes Longest but I think the worst part is just knowing how many extra hours and putting in and not getting paid for because teachers don't get paid overtime. But yeah, we work 10 to 12 hour days easily. So I think that's just like it wears on you down like psychologically knowing that you're basically working for free and it's very mentally draining teachers don't take students behaviors or attitudes personally. It's both a myth and true. I think it's really easy for me, too. To like know what my students are giving me attitude like, oh, they're just middle schoolers. That's how they are and they're going to be loved me the next second. But then sometimes they can say really disrespectful things and get really personal with you like the make fun of my height all the time, which it doesn't bother me at all. But then if they like make fun of me in other ways like then it can be really hurtful or they're intentionally just like give you attitude back knowing that you can't say anything to them no matter what they're saying to you and it's just that is really draining. Yeah. No, I feel like that's so hard. I feel it. Teaching Middle School your age group. I mean, I remember when I was in Middle School and when the stuff that some kids would do was so horrible horrible. Absolutely horrible. I mean, they literally just like tell you I don't care. I don't care we have to say I don't care. I feel like they harass you sometimes I remember that when we were in Middle School, especially because you're young. Oh my gosh. They're always like are you honestly a teacher or than the like make fun of me? It'll be like your soap or your teacher. Yeah. Or they'll talk about like my personal life or just kind of trying to like rub and rub you the wrong way and get under my skin. But yeah that I would take that personally. Oh, it's hard. It's hard not to but at the same time like you have to know that they're going through so much and they don't they don't really understand what they're saying. They just want there's mad about something else in there taking it out on you which is just the nature of the Beast. Well, that's why you're a teacher because you understand that I would be like right back at them. Sometimes. I want to say like a Savage comment back, but I'm No, no like their kids like but when they're saying like no one cares musical when like linen are they like being disrespectful be like I don't care what you do whatever and then it's that can be hard to not feel like why don't care what you do. Well also to let you guys know Katie is very short. So when she was saying, okay, I'm making fun of her height. She is what how are you reciting? Literally barely five foot like all my students are taller than me crazy, which is kind of funny and they think it's hilarious and it really doesn't bother me at all. That's the one thing. That they can make fun of me for that. I'm too completely confident in but that's because I was like made fun of my whole life. So I'm like and whatever now like they always there will be like Miss cool when you're so short and I'm like, yeah, but I'm in control of your grade. Oh good. Yeah clap back. Yeah, I know for me. I feel like I would be I feel like you have to act tough also because you are the teachers so you can't let them see that. It's like gets to you. Oh, definitely. I'm like the worst thing is when they like act like you're not qualified to do your job. Like they'll be like, I mean, I'm only been out of college for two years. And they'll be like, you know, are you still in college or my kind of act like I don't know what I'm doing that shows how young they are if they think that you can teach and still be a handbag Li. I've only like one of them thought I was 18 years old. I was like are you kidding me? Yeah that shows how young they are teachers and work when the students leave. Oh definitely not true. I think I've taken my work home with me the majority of this year and used to be really bought it work life balance. I used to work 12 hours a day and like never sleep and I realized like that doesn't work for me. Me so I try to leave school within an hour after the students leave because it's just not good for me to stay there and I had a creepy janitor situation. What time can we get into that? Oh, yeah, we can definitely if it doesn't get into that teaching is an easy job. Oh, I definitely know I think teaching is one of the hardest jobs just because like most jobs that are required so much time you're at least compensated for and I think like knowing that I would have one of the lowest paying jobs in the entire. Date and I can make more money being a nanny and yet like I still choose to do what I do like that is like really hard but it's also so rewarding I think it's also one of the most rewarding jobs you'll ever have because you can actually see your impact like every single day and when kids tell you that they love you or that they're grateful for you or they're actually learning for the first time like nothing beats that and I think that's the reason why we do what we do. Yeah. I mean, I I've seen some of the things that students have said to Katie. Like they'll bring in gifts or cards or she's also nominated actually for a North Carolina School hero Award, right? Yeah, it's called. Yes, when does voting end voting voting just ended by my kids were super excited. They made like campaign posters like vote for Miss Colvin and I was nominated by two students actually as like a teacher of the year and it just was such an honor to be nominated. I think they were like you deserve this like you put so much time in and you don't always get that affirmation. From kids so it was really nice to for them to recognize like I do put time into it because I do care and it was just really really encouraging. I'm really grateful and I think that was like the morale boost I needed to to get through this last quarter. Yeah, that is so so sweet and it's like such an accomplishment for your first year. Thank you. I was so proud of her when she got nominated and she sent it to our friend group. I posted it on my story. So maybe some of you voted for her but Yeah, I was so proud. I think that is so cool. Thank you. I mean, it's your first year that yeah. I always knew that Katie was going to be like a great teacher that look I wish I had Katie as a teacher when I was in Middle School. We have a good time. Yeah. No, I feel like your classroom is so fun. I helped her decorate it actually yesterday. I was so fun log. I think I've lost it and I have like my cozy seating and I was have the lights out in music jazz music playing and just try to make it as chill as possible. Yeah. I wish I was in your class. I'm gonna Link the Vlog that I decorated her classroom in the show notes. So if you guys want to see it, then you can now tell me a little bit about yourself. So where you from look what you made your in all of the generic about yourself. I'm actually from Charlotte which is where I live now and where I teach actually teach about 10 minutes from the house I grew up in which is really weird and ironic grew up in Charlotte and then I went to AB state for a year and transfer. To UNCC to finish up which is a college and Charlotte and I majored in English because I knew that I wanted to graduate early and go to grad school. And so I had enough credits to do that with English and I always thought it was going to do something different and grad school. I would toyed with teaching with an out always talk myself out of it. Just thinking like, oh do I really want to like work that much for that little money or like is it really worth the hours to put it into something and so I was actually Graduating and I was thinking about doing a master's in Communications and I was going to do strategic Communications and then I got a tutoring job for I think a 9th grader at the time and I loved it so much. I was like, this is so fun for me. I love like creating content for her and tutoring her in English. And then I just realized if I love this so much like maybe this is what I should do with the rest of my life. So I decided to after I graduated That may pursue an opportunity teaching and the Dominican Republic and that's something that I never really thought I would do but I wanted to give back in some way and the opportunity came to actually get on the ground and teach and I flew to the Dominican that August and then I flew in on Saturday and they said on Sunday. They were like, oh by the way, you're teaching tomorrow and you're teaching first and third grade and I was like, oh my gosh, we have no experience an elementary. Like, I don't know what I'm doing. And they'll like you learn like you just have to get in there. So the next morning I woke up at 5:30, and I remember being terrified and I was the first and third grade English teacher and so I taught ESL and I had no training for it at all and no experience working with kids at that age but except for babysitting but I got in there and I learned a lot of things the hard way and I realized how much I love teaching and I was like, I have to get my masters in this this is something I have to do. And so I started looking at opportunities and Charlotte where I grew up and honestly the right doors just opened and I started grad school and I got a job right at a public charter school in the same area that I grew up in so I was really familiar with like the type of kids and Charlotte as a whole and I have friends here. So it just ended up being the perfect opportunity to kind of start my career as a teacher after pursuing that out-of-the-box opportunity at first. Yeah. I know. What do you think? The hardest thing that you've learned being in the Dominican Republic, so I remember you telling me I mean you didn't know Spanish verse Oh, no. I knew like High School Spanish wanted to yeah, so that is so impressive and he literally had no experience like in a classroom setting. Yeah. I think I first classroom management, which is basically helping control the behavior of the kids. That's costly management. That was the hardest piece for me because I had no experience in it. So I didn't know. No, like what to even do to get their attention or it how to like handle when they're like crawling out of their seats and like on the floor. Like how do I get them to respect me? And I think learning that I honestly learned a lot the hard way and I learned what works for me and my style of teaching is really flexible. So I kind of like noise and I like them to interact with me and I realized that that can still work and you can still gain control that way so I kind of learned my style but I think as far as living in the Dominican the hardest For me was coming face-to-face with my own privilege for the first time just like being an American and having the education system that we have here and seeing how broken it is in another country and how much we take for granted our education system and like in the Dominican the average person has up to fifth grade education and then mostly illiterate. So the types of kids we were working with I had no resources at home. They had no pencils. They had no like way to do homework and less we gave them a pencil or Or a paper and they had nothing and yet they were hungry to learn and I think just knowing that as a teacher. I was in that environment first made me really realize like so many people complain about it here and honestly, it's easy to fall into a trap that trap but like how much we have to be thankful for and it country that supports K through 12 public education because we could live in a country like the Dominican where they don't support K through 12 education. It's only required to go up to fifth grade and say I did not know that. Yeah, it's one of the worst education systems in the world. And when you go to their Public Schools, it's literally just a daycare like it's like a building with kids in it and they're not learning anything and I think just having that background experience as a teacher. Like I'm able to kind of like troubleshoot things easier. Like if our copier breaks, I'm not freaking out because I'm like, okay I've done this before. Yeah, you know, we had hurricane days in the Dominican and we had flooding in our classrooms. It's and we had no AC and like the tropics. I think I learned so much and that experience doing with doing with so little resources. I think taught me a lot but it was really difficult at the time. Yeah. That is I mean, I remember hearing Katie and I would have random like FaceTime chats or calls. And I mean the way that she lived in the Dominican also is just coming from a very cushioned. I guess. I would say lifestyle. Yeah, we can admit that like all of us here, especially like in Charlotte North Carolina. I feel like or at my high school or in our district like coming from this to going to literally where you have no AC at all. Yeah. I know you are living with spiders and tarantulas are Angela and like giant frogs. Yeah literally like there we had solar power. And so when it would rain for like weeks at a time with lose power and like electricity and we would have moldy pillows because the humidity was so bad like my clothes molded and I brought home like a suitcase full of moldy clothes. I remember my mom being like I'm gonna throw up like this is disgusting and I had two shirts to wear to work every week and I couldn't do laundry but like once a week so you can kind of Imagine like it's 95 degrees and there's no way to be so and it's so humid, and it's literally so humid, and if you try to even put mascara on it melts off your face, so I wore no makeup, which is silly but Like going to work with no makeup is so vulnerable of a feeling like I felt so young and but as I remember like four weeks and one of my shoes like my only waterproof shoes broke hmm like this drop completely broke and I literally hand sewed the strap onto my shoe and it was the ugliest thing that I really like. I have to have a shoe like it was so to that level of like we couldn't we couldn't receive any packages or mail from the United States. So like if I wanted something and I couldn't find on the island. I literally couldn't find on the island. Hmm. I think that was like a really hard feeling just like I don't have any way to like get what I need here. Yeah. It's a humbling feeling. Yeah, and I mean Katie also did this very randomly. This was a very random decision rear and I just need to backtrack here like with until within two months in two months and I don't even think at this point. Did you know you wanted to be a teacher? Oh, no. I was like, I don't know if I want to do this. I just kind of feel like I need to like leave. States yeah, so this was a very random decision. I just remember her calling me one time like middle of the night kind of having like a quarter like Crisis. Oh, yeah calling me to her house and she was like, I just need to like get out and like go and do something and not here like she wanted to see a different part of the world and different culture and you definitely got that and I think like if you feel like that's something you need to do before you start a career, then you should definitely do it because for me if I hadn't done that like my whole entire career path would be different. Oh, yeah, and it's crazy to think that that one decision that I thought was going to be. So small ended up being the biggest decision I ever made and to do it required like a breakup from a relationship. It required me to like completely separate myself from my friends and family. But like I knew I needed to find myself and thought to be cliche but like yeah, I need to find myself and I needed to like pursue something that mattered more than just like my life and I felt like that's what I was called. To do so I did it and that was probably the hardest decision was just making the decision to go because it didn't really make sense. Like most people after they graduate college. They have a job and they make money and like I was literally like, okay. I'm going to live with my parents until I leave and then I'm going to leave and I don't know what I'm coming back to ya and I had no plan. Yeah, you had nothing coming at you. What are you even applying to grad schools or I put my grad school and hold I literally called them was like, can you just like defer my my mission and my start date? Wait to like another year and they're like sure but that was first Communications. It wasn't even for teaching. Wow. I literally was like, I don't know what I want to do and I just felt like I was supposed to do it and I had like a lot of support around me. But I also like didn't have anything to lose. Like I didn't have a relationship. I didn't have like any ties career-wise. So I was felt really open to doing it and I think like there's no way I could do that now with the ties that I have so like I did it at that point in my life. And so I'd say like graduating college is like a great time to do something random like that like yeah go join. The Peace Corps. Do you teach for America or go live the Dominican like just do something random because you really don't have anything to lose and you are not being paid at all. Oh, no, I like had to raise money to yeah, this is Katie paid to do this. So this was not like most people like she said go out get a job. Get a salary. Like you literally graduated college. I was like, okay. I'm going to teach in the Dominican Republic and in a village there. Oh, yeah and a very likely area this isn't Punta Cana like no no and literally go. Like I literally didn't even have transportation. I was requite like I was literally dependent on other people the entire time and I think that like, it's also kind of neck not a very safe culture for women to be by themselves. And so just knowing that like, oh my gosh, like I'm here doing this it doesn't make Any sense, but looking back I can say that that was the defining moment of my entire life because it shaped my career and it shaped my perspective one on life in the states and like perspective on a lot of things with privilege and just being a teacher the things I learned there. I can't I can't imagine my career without having experienced it. Yeah. Yeah, you definitely burst your bubble and got out of it, which is awesome. And also you didn't know that you were going to be a teacher even when you graduated. So I feel like that gives hope to people that feel like they're still confused. They're graduating college and normally people are freaked out even freshman year or senior year of high school when they're thinking what am I going to major in? What am I gonna do for the rest of my life? I mean, you can graduate college and still not know and that's a fine. Everyone has a different path. So, I don't know. I think that's really important for people to hear because so many people think that oh everyone's Just figure it out. You know you graduate high school you go to college you get a degree you get a job and that's it like good and I think like I was on a track where like I was in a relationship. I thought I was going to major in this like I could I could quote unquote see like the next three years of my life. Yeah, and it wasn't until literally the day I graduated college that I realized. This is not what I want at all and this is not what I'm supposed to be and this is not even the relationship. I'm supposed to be in and it's okay to feel like everything's kind of falling apart. It before it falls together because like you have to be true to yourself at the end of the day. And if something doesn't fit or doesn't feel right or doesn't make sense, like lean into that feeling instead of falling apart and like feeling like a failure because of it because it's so worth it to kind of explore and experiment with being this new stage out of college. I think people are so set in their careers from like such a young stage in college and then they don't experiment or they don't Explore and then so many people end up changing their careers multiple times in their life because you know, we change as people and so who you are 18 is probably not who you're going to be at 22 23, which is definitely not here going to be at 30 exactly. So like just like if you don't feel like you have it all together, it doesn't mean that it's not going to fit together at some point and I think for me like I needed that moment of it not fitting for me to like pursue what I really love. I got an I get emails from my principal that's like giving me compliments. Get the data and for my kids and I realized that like I'm like the leading test how the leading test scores in the entire school. That's and it's like thank you, but it's like I don't say that to brag on myself at all because it's really like not me. Am I feel like everything's falling apart because that's how I felt but that doesn't mean that you're not going to be successful and that doesn't mean that you're not going to have a career because that's how I felt. I was like I'm choosing to like say no to something that makes sense on paper to pursue something that seems kind of wild and crazy and spontaneous. Is and I didn't know that it would lead to like the most fulfilling career that I could ever have. Yeah. No, that is insane. And I remember when you called me on your literally graduation day calling me at her house and basically just completely like changing the course of her life. I mean, she called me and she was like I have to break up with my boyfriend. I'm don't want to go to grad school right now. I want to go to do like Mission work or the Dominican. I don't know if Dominican was in your head at that. I know it wanted to travel or do see another part of the world. And this was so Random. I mean three hours earlier. We were celebrating her graduation. You had a party with who you were with at that time like so happy there was nothing wrong. But but I love nothing wrong on paper my paper and it's like I felt like I got feeling like something isn't right. Something isn't right and I thought the day I graduated all the stress we go away and that got feeling I've been having would go away too and I realized that I just wasn't being true to myself. I wasn't being true to myself in the relationship. I wasn't being true to myself and my career and I wasn't doing what I really love because I was scared to do something that teaching seemed really difficult to me and it seemed like scary to not make a lot of money or decent money or I think I let the fear of not being successful or stay like financially stable. I let that fear kind of take over and that's why I never did it in the first place and then I let my fear of being a Own keep me in a relationship. That wasn't right and I finally was like, I'm tired of being scared. I remember saying like I am so tired of living scared to like live the life that I need that I'm called to live that I want to live. And so instead of choosing fear I chose to like in a relationship and I chose to defer my grad school and I chose to move across the world and that was a really really hard choice. I don't want it to seem like it was So easy for me because it wasn't I remember talking to you and being like I'm literally like I was sobbing I was like, I don't know what this doesn't make any sense. But just how you have to be true to yourself at some point. Yeah, and I love how you said that some even if it's everything's falling apart. That doesn't mean it's not going to fall together like that is so true. And again, I feel like we live in a world where all we're seeing is the great things. Everyone's doing how great everyone's life is Get where I am. Look at what I'm doing. Like I'm whatever like it's the Highlight Reel. Like I always say really what this podcast was inspired by and it's I mean people are always going through the fear of being alone the fear of quitting a job that you hate just because of what other people might think the fear of going a non-traditional route taking a gap year who cares what other people think who cares if it's not the right track quote unquote of the American Life. Life or whatever like you have to do what's right for you? And that doesn't look the same for everyone. Yes, and I was so scared of like not looking like I was doing my life, right? Like I was so scared of what people think and feel like people are gonna think I'm a failure for not having the good 95 like right out of college or they're gonna think I'm a failure for like choosing to do this now instead of when I was 18 and I had less to lose but I think so easy to give in to that fear, but it's so fulfilling not too and like I think about how your career not Is so untraditional in some way is now your YouTuber and like you do like influencer stuff. That's scary. Like that's putting yourself out there in a line and I think it's the same type of feeling of like you have to be true to yourself. Yeah, like you have to take a risk everything you do is a risk, there's so much bravery in that and there's it's so fulfilling. I think you can apply it that message to like very different career paths and different context no matter like what you're going through. There's always a way that you can choose to be brave instead of living in that fear. Yeah. I love that. Wow, I really am glad that we talked about that. I love that. Sorry. No, no. No, that's so on topic because it's so important for people to hear that are graduating or even if you've been graduated for a while. It's never too late. Like that's never too late. That's the whole point. Now. I am kind of going to go back to traditional teaching I guess but I really loved that. What is your morning routine like as a teacher? So as a teacher I wake up and at 5:15 and I work out I Isn't doing this before and it's actually really helped me. I actually do this is so embarrassing to admit but like I do videos at home that is not in very good. I was like, I've always been like a gym girl like I'm a gym rat like I love lifting and I like love going to the gym, but honestly, I don't have time anymore to like go in the mornings to the gym because it takes me like 10 minutes to drive there in two minutes to drive back and I just don't have an extra 20 minutes. So I've been doing like videos at home and I really like it because it keeps me fit and so I do had a home and then I will we'll take a shower and then I'll get dressed and ready and then I always make coffee and breakfast. What's up smoothie every single morning and it was like my lunch in the morning and then I'm out the door and I'm hopefully at school by 7:30 and then at 7:30. Sometimes I have carpool in the morning and that requires me standing outside waiting at cars for 30 minutes and the freezing cold and then the days I don't have carpool. I have to watch kids in the hallway because as a teacher you monitor students when they are transitioning. A class and so every morning I'm like go to class go to class go to class go to class like constantly, like I'm literally like repeating myself 24/7 sometimes I'll sing it. I'm like to be silly in the kids think it's hilarious. Oh, you're such a fun teacher. You are such a fun t-shirt. Sometimes I like start talking in Spanish that they look at me. Like I had three heads and then they like get freaked out and leave anything to get them to move in the morning from like they're gossiping all I go to their little circle and be like stop gossiping go to class and they'll be like, oh gosh, we're not gossiping like Yes, you are. That's hilarious workouts. You do for YouTube videos are I do Beachbody on demand? This is not sponsored. But I love you. I've been doing them and I love I have DVDs and I am like an online do the on-demand online portal thing. So it's a really helpful. Nice. Okay, because I know so many people probably are looking for like online workouts because yes people don't have time. I'm so thankful. I have an apartment. In my or I'm so thankful. I have a gym in my apartment because if I didn't I would not have time to go to the gym. It's so honest like he's so much time like 20 25 cents extra. Yeah. It's like no you don't just drive there that's 20 minutes. And then it's 10 more minutes when you factor in parking and walking charity car. Yeah, and that's an extra 30 minutes that most people just don't have in the morning and instead of skipping your workout. I'd rather do something at home. And especially when it's too cold to run. So like I love running outside, but in the winter, I mean it's been too cold like I can't do that in the morning. Oh, definitely. Do you think your students treat you differently because you are so young. Yes. Definitely. I see this a lot with my students they kind of they open up a lot to me. Like they'll spill the tea which is like teenager speak for gossiping and they'll like be like almost covid like I got to Spill the tea and the like tell me what I say it seriously. Oh, yeah. I have to Spill the tea. Yes. Yes, literally and then they'll tell me about their relationships or like their breakups or you know what they're going through in their life how long our relationships and middle school. Oh my God, actually. Have one couple who's like been together for literally a year and a half. Oh and then some of them are like, okay you break up with my girl. You're like with her friend the next week like I don't understand do they wear each other's sweatshirts still with their last name on the back. They don't actually do that at my school. Oh, no, I'm Steve Sports. Yeah, we have sports. It's not a huge Sports school and I think cause it's Middle School. It's kind of like the the athletes are like not the biggest majority. So it's they do Do they like talk about how they like Snapchat each other like they slide into each other's diems. And that like tell me like, oh so-and-so slid into my DMs and I'm like a like but then they so we have like a really good relationship, but they like ask me for advice about things that they're going through at home or at school and friend drama. Like the girl drama is so real and middle school. Like I don't know where this I remember this so well, oh my gosh, I feel like I'm always the worst the worst. I feel like I'm Breaking up a fight and I was just like okay, you guys need to talk it out like but honestly, like I wish I had that in middle school. So I just tried to be that teacher that I always wanted to have which is somewhat like talk to invent to yeah, but the guys the guys treat me differently because they treat me like a body like they'll be like this covid. Do you listen to like this rapper? Do you like do you listen to rap music? They'll be like, hey, what's up? What's up? Yeah, I Katie has told me some really really funny stories of her middle school students one when they found out that she had a boyfriend. They you care to share. Do you guys it's only five a boyfriend? They literally one of them fell out of his chair like literally got up out of his chair Falls collapses on the ground like acting like he's about to have a seizure and they all scream. Like I literally couldn't get them under control for like 5 minutes. I felt so bad for the next word teacher doing like asking pummeling me with questions like is here firefighter. How tall is he? What does he look like? Tell us everything? Where do you meet but it is it like on and on and on and they've been like obsessed with him ever since Actually found my poor boyfriends Instagram personal like photography instagrammed stopped him. And then there was a screengrab video of his insta stories going around the ground is hilarious like you are so the cool teacher of the school. You're 100% be cool teacher of the school. So a funny thing that I haven't told you yet Natalie. I love that he came to school today. No way. Yeah to bring lunch and my students acted like animals like they were literally Lee telling each other down the hall like this covid boyfriend team was going to boyfriend's here and they live we're running down the hall to like get a glimpse of him that is amazing. They kept wanting they literally kept saying hi like I'm so so whatever like waving their hands like trying to get away from him. I do like he was a celebrity they that internally we're like skipping our clasp to like come in the hallway to see him here in the workroom, and there's like a big glass windows and they were like pressed up their noses pressed. Against the glass like present against the glass and then this one kid was like, I'm the one that found your Instagram. I'm the one that found her Instagram my boyfriend saying they're like what is going on? I'm like, I don't even know anything like he would but he took it like a champ he started waving back and they loved it and said then like the entire day. They're like, can I get her boyfriends autograph? He's famous. He's like God. Can I get his autograph? You know, like they're so obsessed and they'll be like winter wedding and I'm like, I'm not engaged like I don't have a ring. Yeah, really? It's also weird because teachers are normally older and yeah, they're always like most of them are married. So if yes here like a significant other it so it's my husband. Yeah, it's my wife not only is my boyfriend boyfriend is something that they have like they have boyfriends and girlfriends. So I feel like they're like, oh my God, you guys are dating I would there were like, so relating to it and they're like, they love it like the coffee like Miss Coleman like I ship it I showed you earlier and I just think it's the cutest thing and they like bull Right, like one time a student wrote on the board like unscramble these letters and it was like Katie loves Jeremy like my boyfriend's name. That is so cute. Literally so cute and I love that they're that they're invested because I actually have heard research students need to know about your personal life because they don't have like, sometimes they don't have the role model at home. And so it's healthy for them to hear about healthy relationships because they're seeing that and like a proper context of like you can have a loving relationship as an adult and so I don't really mind it from that standpoint and also, Because my boyfriend's a good sport so he doesn't mind it either. Oh my gosh, that's so cute. I love that. I I mean props to you for teaching middle school because middle school is like the worst group set of grades, I guess to teach because I remember in middle school. We were so rowdy because yeah out of elementary school. So you think that you're like hot stuff because your oh, yeah, you know out with out of the baby's like you're not a baby anymore and then but you're like gonna go to high school, so you're kind of like, Ruling the school, especially seventh and eighth graders like oh, yes, so let's bring acts in the hallway and we have and Body Works It Isn't So Cute hormones are going crazy. You're starting to develop the boys are starting to like girls like you're starting to have crushes and it's just there's so much drama. Yeah. It's and then if you don't fit in then people are mean and I think people aren't bullied so much in Middle School. I've had a dress that a lot with my students and like don't be mean to each other like just be nice like wow. How is that so So hard and I feel like it's so much more helpful coming from you because you are more. I mean older teachers they can be like, oh, well, you're you don't understand like you're yeah you were this age like so long ago, but you are closer to their age. So you remember Middle School. I do think it's easier for me because like they'll do things that bother other teachers and like to me I'm just like, oh I was the same way. I like will be really hyper in class with their talk a lot and I try to give them like a lot of chances before getting them in trouble because I'm like honestly like I could not shut up when I was in 7th grade. Yeah. I would literally drink a Monster before school every day. I would come to school like the chattiest person like so hyper don't do that guys. It's like bad, but I didn't believe you so hyper and just like I've been need a space to talk. And so I try to like give them more grace there. I definitely think it's easier being younger because I remember those things and you just forget as you get older. Yeah. Yeah. It's not like a fault and getting older but now I definitely think that you can relate more to them and do teachers have favorites. Oh, that's a hard question. - I think that I definitely tried to like treat all my kids the same. I think it's a lot easier to have a relationship with kids that are open to a relationship with you. So I do have students that are like tell me they don't like me or they'll act like they hate my class and I just wonder oh, yeah, but it's just harder to have a relationship with those students. I'm not actually not as close to them. I'm not actually not as I'm not as close to him as a teacher. And so that that makes it hard. It's not that I don't want to be some personalities don't fit and Okay, like you're not going to like every teacher and I think that's unrealistic for you to think like as a teacher. Oh, everyone's gonna love me because it's just not true. Yeah, so I definitely think it just depends on on the students Personality. Yeah. No definitely. I was never a teacher favorite. I was never a teacher's not favorite like people do use didn't dislike me at all. I was never a problem, but I was kind of just there. Yeah, like I didn't I didn't build a relationship with my teachers, but I also wasn't loud or disruptive and like I was a good student so They did have a reason to like not like me at all. I was just I was kind of just there. I mean it's kind of a stereotype that like teachers always hate the disruptive students. I don't think that's true at all because I have some disruptive students that they know that they're disruptive but we have a great relationship because they still respect me at the end of the day. I think that's just the who they are and I just let them be loud and crazy and all over the place because that's how they are. Like that's who their personality is and I don't want to take that. Yeah from them. So I think it comes Understanding who they are as a person. What is something that you did not know before becoming a teacher? I did not know before becoming a teacher just how many hours outside of school that I was going to put into it. I kind of have like, oh, I can't wait to decorate my classroom. I can't wait to get things together and like I didn't realize how many hours I was gonna spend like just like shopping for school supplies and like getting things together. Do you have to pay for all your school supplies? Yes in my school barely gives us any money for school supplies and like it's just not in the budget and that's pretty typical public school that you don't get money for your classroom. So sometimes I ask parents to donate things if I need them, but if I'm really desperate I have to buy them myself. I bought books for my classroom Library myself. I bought all the furniture in my classroom myself and I just think like the investment financially that you take as a teacher just to be set up each year. I definitely wasn't expecting that and I also wasn't expecting to work so much on the weekends. I had always heard. Like two things, I'd always heard that teachers work so much on the weekends. And I also heard like it's important to have work-life balance. And I think I didn't anticipate just how much of a struggle that was going to be for me at first. It has gotten a lot easier the longer I do it. And so that's kind of what a lot of Veteran teachers say is it gets easier every year to not work on the weekends and to not put all that time into it, but I think at first I really took me aback like I was like, why am I literally barely sleeping? Yeah and working so much and it's just because you have So much setting up to do for each lesson, like I will and sometimes I'll re plan every single day. Like I'll plan a a plan according to advance a week in a month in advance in a week in advance. And then I'm still changing my plans every day. Yeah, because every day is different exactly might get delayed you might get oh fire drill can throw you off or like an unexpected assembly or the students might not get something and I think I kind of anticipated. I have this like false expectation as a teacher that if I teach at once kids Going to get it and that's just not true. And I think that's something I've had to learn to is like it's okay to like slow down and we teach all the time because you'd rather than get it eventually than to rush through the content ya know so important. What is the best and worst thing about being a teacher? Definitely the best thing is like my relationship with my students my relationship with my students is everything to me. They are like my greatest joy. I call them my kids. I invested in all of Of their personal lives I can tell you I can describe each one of them to you and their personality and I think that that is honestly Priceless. I feel fortunate to be doing it at this age without kids of my own because I think is a privilege to invest in other people's kids while you don't have them. Yeah, and I know that I won't have this time when I have my own kids, so I'm really really happy to have the relationships I have and I know that like a lot of these kids will end up being like Instagram friends. They graduate eighth grade and like I'll be able to watch them grow up and really be investing in their life. And I think that is so Priceless because I'm not I'm not able to do that and any other job I'm able to really watch kids grow up and I don't have to parent them. I'm kind of coming out as like an older sibling friend. Yeah. I'm able to do that without really the day-to-day responsibilities of parenting them. But at the same time every single day, I am a parent a teacher a counselor. Sometimes a nurse like all these unexpected roles every single day. The the worst part about being a teacher is definitely just how much you're investing and how like equally how much you are always appreciated and how much you're not appreciated at all. Yeah, and I think oh I think teachers are the most underappreciated people ever because people think oh, it's an easy major. It's so yeah, you know, it's just teach like whatever or they're young like teaching middle school like you should know that. Stuff already. I don't know. I just feel like teachers are so underappreciated. Yes and parents and older people don't see what you're doing. It can be really hard to have a difficult parent or to have co-workers that are older that that might not understand or where's your respect to your method of teaching or to have other people like honestly, like other will appears in my life that don't understand what I do and they complain about Like something in their job and I'm like, oh, I would love to like take a lunch break or I love to be able to go the bathroom. Whatever I want whenever I want you can't go to the bathroom. I literally can't go to the bathroom like all day. And I mean it's it's silly and it but like I'm so dehydrated every single day because I never drink water because I never can go the bathroom and like that is like such a teacher at quote-unquote teacher problem, but it is because I would never think about that. No, but like I'm literally like we're talking right now and I'm like, I think I've had two cups of water today like it's that's just The nature of the job and I'm honestly the hardest part is the on appreciation because I truly never stop thinking about my students. I never stopped thinking about my job. I dream about teaching I drew my lesson plans. Like my other teacher friends are the same way because if you're invested in this job, you are fully invested and I think just not having that appreciation and respect in return sometimes can be so draining because I'm going to mess up. I'm a human like I'm not going to be perfect. I mean and I think sometimes Times students expect you to be perfect when you're not they disrespect you or people in general don't respect you and I think our honestly like our government doesn't respect teachers enough with like financially compensating them. And I think it's just all around just an appreciation for really the level of time and commitment because I can tell you that I never stopped thinking about my students and that's really emotionally draining to so like I might not be working like when I'm laying in bed, but I'm always Thinking and like thinking about a student and like a personal situation or a crisis that they might be in and just wanting to like be there for them in the right way. So I think just turning that off is really difficult. Yeah, you can't and that's why I feel like you are a really great teacher because you have those qualities. Thank you. You actually love it. You're not just doing it because o it was an easy major. So I'm just going to teaching that it was not an easy major. Yeah, I know and people who do that though. I feel like they last like a year. That's the thing. It's like you're not lifelong teachers or this is not the career you go into that. You're like I literally only want to do it for a year. This is not where you going to because you're like, I am a natural teacher. This is what I'm supposed to do and you still might burn out. That's the reality. It's like the statistics on teacher burnout are crazy like most teachers don't teach more than five years because it's so emotionally exhausting and you know, I'll never make a promise for my career. I'm going to work this many years. We've been over this many years because I've learned to really be open to like what the next After a holds, but I will say that this is not a career that I went into like with a mindset of oh, this is going to be easy or yes is only going to be a year. It's temporary. This is not the job to do that because you're investing in people and people matter the most. Yeah, no. Well. Well, I have loved having you on this podcast. I only really liked this episode a lot and it's also nice because we're friends too. So it's just way easier like talking to a friend on a podcast and it has been so so so much fun. So thank you so much for having me. It was an honor and do you want to plug yourself? Do you want to say where they can find you so sure so I am on Insta you my understanding a damn you say like, I'm not a student or potential student. I am a follower of Natalie's because I have this tendency to block everybody. I don't know because I think they're my students in Disguise. So I'm like at Katie underscored Colvin and then I also have a food account that I do food posting food blogging and Charlotte. It's at Katie eats CLT. And yeah, I love it. I could answer if you guys have any questions about teaching. Please don't hesitate to either like DM Natalie or DMV because honestly, I wish I had someone to talk to and I was making this choice because there's a lot of things I learned the hard way and there's so many nitty-gritty things about teaching that like I couldn't talk about and like a podcast because it's just honestly boring for people who aren't teachers but if there's any specific questions you have or like you want to know more specifically like how I lesson plan. Nor how I go about my day to day as a teacher how I practice self-care any of those types of things just like let me know and I'm happy to help well, thank you for that Katie. Seriously. Thank you so much. This was so much fun. Thank you so much for having me. Yeah. I hope that this inspired any of you guys or that you guys don't feel as alone anymore or anything at all. So, thanks. Thank you.

The world- and your social media feeds- are all full of everyone’s highlight reels. But in this podcast, I want to expose real life, real people, real jobs, and the real reel. Today, I wanted to bring a very special guest- a 7th grade teacher. I am so excited for you to hear this episode about the real life of a teacher and learn some things you might not know about this very under-recognized profession. Get ready to reflect, laugh, and learn! Meet my best friend, Katy- who also happens to be a middle school teacher. She graduated college from UNC Charlotte with a degree in English. She is one of the kindest people I know with a huge heart and definitely one of my only friends who has the patience to deal with middle schoolers. Katy did not originally plan to teach. She did not even go to college for it. Until one day, she had a quarter-life crisis and realize she was not where she needed to be. So she deferred her grad school, switched up her career, packed her bags and moved to the Dominican Republic to teach. She did not have any experience besides tutoring and she didn't even speak the language- but she found her calling. To become a teacher. She now teaches  7th grade English in Charlotte, NC and here is her story...

Welcome to friends of the force. I'm your host Brad Whipple and this is your Star Wars podcast for positivity and collaboration. On today's episode 4 from a certain point of view. We are joined by a editor and writer over at Nerdist and she is now coming out with her own Star Wars podcast centered on the reloj community. So we are thrilled to have you here joining us today to talk about her Star Wars fandom being a freelance writer and more on reloj and bend emption. So sit back and relax. It's time to find out from a certain point of view what Star Wars means to writer and editor Lindsey Romain. You told me Vader betrayed and murdered my father go follow. I was seduced by the dark side of the force. He ceased to be Anakin Skywalker and became Darth Vader when that happened the good man, who was your father was destroyed? So what I told you was true from certain point of view a certain point of view move, you're going to find that many of the truths. We cling to depend greatly on our own point of view. Well joining me today here on front of the forest. She is a writer and editor for Nerdist and she has a new podcast coming out called Halo reloj. I'm joined today by Lindsay Romain Lindsay. How's it going? It's come pretty good. Thank you for having me. Yeah, I'm super excited. I had to have you on for those of our listeners out there who aren't familiar with your work. Can you give a short introduction to yourself? And what you do in the Star Wars fandom? Yeah, so I'm a writer I was a freelance writer for a long time and now I'm a editor / staff writer at Nerdist. So I tend to write I write a lot about Star Wars I'd say that's probably the main thing that I cover for us and I tend to write a lot about Ray and kylo. If you couldn't tell from the title of Maya my podcast, so that seems to be Mike Of corner of the Star Wars world. What a great Corner though. I mean we're having the most fun over here as a fellow reloj and bend mshulist. It is a great corner to be in and I think we'll be pretty happy. Come come December. Now. I first discovered your work back in June. So you had written on June 18th an article in Nerdist titled why kylo Ren should be redeemed and the rise of Skywalker. So this was the first ever article I read and The way you wrote it the way you woven like mythology and ancient Greek Legends all this different stuff and it was just fascinating and I was like in my mind a light bulb went off. Like wow, this is how you can write about Star Wars, you know and a week or so after that you were on Sky stalkers for the Ray and kylo symbolism episode. I don't know if that was like one of your first Star Wars podcast appearances or not. Was that something new for you when you're on with Sky talkers and and what's it been like just writing about Star Wars professionally? Yeah. Well, I think I don't know if that was my first Star Wars Pockets. I've definitely talked about Star Wars another podcast. It might have been the first like Star Wars specific podcast. I was oh actually you know what? No, that's a lie. I was on. Oh gosh. I can't remember the name of it on the spot. I've definitely done another one before I did one through making Star Wars as podcasting Network 100 come. Yeah with the women. So, yeah, so I've done that before. Definitely I did / film cast I was on their Last Jedi episode. So I've talked about Star Wars definitely in the podcasting world before and then for writing about it. I mean, it's something that kind of has been natural. I guess I started I'd say really Around The Last Jedi is when I started writing about Star Wars kind of almost predominantly, I guess that one just really sparked an interest and at the time when that came out, I was still a freelancer. So there's a lot of pitching, you know ideas of yes. Yes and stuff which is you know, the struggle a little bit. Luckily that one gave me a lot of good food for thought. Yeah, and then yeah with notice the cool thing about writing for Nerdist is that the editors are really tailor your interest like they bring that into what they let you cover. So I think I pretty quickly like we all read about Star Wars there but I think I kind of like quickly made that my my main brands that yeah. It's and so yeah, so it's just kind of luckily to nerd. Really supports all my kind of crazy ideas. Like I throw out some Bonkers one sometimes and they're usually pretty receptive as long as I can back it up. So yeah. Yeah, as long as you got the facts there any idea can be a good one. So yeah for the most part so you starting out as a Star Wars fan, I'd you know, you answered some questions on Sky talkers and other podcasts that you've been on what was it like starting out as a Star Wars fan like when did you enter into the the fandom and or not necessarily A fandom, but just becoming a Star Wars fan and then maybe eventually that At that part of fandom online. Yeah, so I think it's always hard. I have a hard time answering this question because Star Wars is just something that's always been like kind of a part of my life. I grew up. My family was into it. My older brother had all the toys and like the VHS tapes and stuff. So I think my real first exposure was through the toys. I remember having like Princess Leia dolls and Luke Skywalker dolls. I like like actively almost remember just like scenarios I made with those dolls more than I do the movies. Look at it and then I'd say like I first started having more of an awareness of like actually what star was was when the prequels came out. I was I think 10 when Phantom Menace came out. So I was you know, right in the the target audience for those and kind of grew up with them. So by the time Revenge of the Sith came out, I was like a teenager and you know feeling all the things that I feel like really yeah relating to all the Anakin angst. Yeah. Yeah, and I Like I would say my first proper like very distinct Star Wars memory as a fan was seeing that movie at midnight. I went with my family and you know at the time we thought it was like the last Star Wars movie. So we were very we like dressed up and stuff. We had a lot of fun to like me and my family my friends all went to that and then I that one really caught my interest like I think like I said because my emotions were kind of parallel with like what was going on there and I remember I saw that in theaters, I think like four or five times. I myself I just can't get yeah, so that was like what really sparked it and I remember going back and re watching the other movies like properly this time and really getting into it. I think that's when I started reading like some of the you know, EU books and stuff that my brother had so that's like when I remember getting properly into it and then it kind of faded I guess as I like got older and went through other fan of sessions and stuff and then you know, the sequel Trilogy came around and I that was kind of happening at the same time. Time that I was starting to build a writing career. So it just kind of happened nicely that like my interest in Star Wars was rejuvenated as I was starting to like get more professional writing opportunities. Mmm. Your story seems to be a very rare a story that I think of her line in The Last Jedi something inside me has always been there. But now it's a wake, you know, you said you mentioned Star Wars was always just kind of there for you. And then finally it awakens with the Revenge of the Sith and then literally later on with the force awakens. So when you are, yeah. When you talked about the sequel Trilogy is kind of around the time that you started to become a professional writer. So did you always know that you wanted to to be a writer was that always kind of there in your mind, but then the the sequel Trilogy really cemented that for you or were you on a completely different trajectory before that? I think it's kind of complicated. So I knew I always wanted to be right or growing up. That was the one thing. I was really good at. The one thing. I like had the most interest in. I just didn't know what Outlet. I wanted to choose for that writing. I didn't know if I wanted. Let go the creative route or the journalism route or whatever. So I kind of struggled with that for a long time. I was trying to like do both in college and I really sort of took to journalism once I was in school and I but I always knew when I was doing journalism. I was like, I want to write about movies. Like I knew that I wanted I didn't know if I necessarily wanted to be a film critic. I just knew I wanted to like blend my love of movies and television and like media and stuff with the writing that I was doing. So, Kind of actually created my own major in college. I did a film minor in a journalism major. So it's kind of going back and forth between the two departments at my school and stuff. And really I was targeting all of my journalism projects to Media related stuff. It's a great combination. Yeah, it was really task as yeah. I was the only one really doing that which to me seems crazy now. I'm like, I can't believe more people weren't like I want to write about movies, but I want to write about you know that my journalism degree said to me I felt like kind of The Best of Both Worlds like I was getting a tactical degree sort of practical I guess and then like still having fun with it. Yeah, and when I graduated college, I ended up working kind of in this kind of boring. I ended up doing like kind of boring like just random writing jobs, but I was always writing so I always been a professional writer in some capacity since I graduated and I started working for the Chicago Tribune for a while. I did Social Media stuff for them kind of unlike a contract basis and then there I was writing for there. Culture publication also so that was kind of when I first like started to get professional clips that way and then it was kind of that's when I started freelancing more to and then I had a job at a bookstore. I was just kind of you know, there's life like yeah, whatever I could to like stay alive and but yeah, I would say it was like right around the pre are the sequel Trilogy that I started to freelance and like kind of a serious way and then I worked at the television station for a while. So I kind of put the freelancing thing to bed a little A bit was trying to like do it on the side every now and then I'd like maybe do an article every few months. And then I think the first like big article I got published was actually about Rogue one. So that was like when I first really crossed over was around that time. Mmm, you mentioned the the struggle of the writers life. Now, what is kind of been some of the most like challenging aspects of that and and also just like what advice might you have for somebody out there? Who is this is an aspiring writer. You know, why? It's there whether it film and TV is their big interest or fashion or whatever. Like what's your best piece of advice based on your experiences that you've been through? My best piece of advice is kind of like it's going to sound kind of depressing but it's you know, really only do it if that's like the only thing you want to do because it's hard. It's really hard. It's not you know for me. It was always just like I didn't know what else to do. It was the skill that I felt the strongest set and like the thing I had kind of worked for. But throughout the whole time. I was like man, if only I had one other thing I like to do because this is so hard especially freelancing. The hardest part about freelancing is just kind of in a technical way. It's that you never know. Like when your paychecks coming, you know, every place has a different system and when you're trying to pay rent and bills and stuff, it can be really hard. So I would say if you really want to be a writer but have some kind of other field I would like test the waters on the side so, you know try to freelance or puts about even just Or something and make sure that you're really confident in your skills before you start trying to make that your full-time thing because it's not a life that I really wish on people. Sometimes it sounds very glamorous and fun. Once you get to the point where you're secure it definitely is. Yeah, it's very hard. Yeah, you're kind of a bit small fish in a bigger see when you get into that industry and it you know, I think I think the writing you're putting out is fantastic, and I'm sure it's going to continue to Pay off for you and you're doing a great work. So all of us Star Wars fans do appreciate your writing in terms of anybody else that's influenced you writing wise as there ever been any particular stories or articles or books that have really shown you the strength of the written word and like how it can have an impact on anybody who? Yeah, I definitely I'd say it depends on like, you know, there's definitely like fiction writers who have really influenced me. I mean huge Shirley Jackson fan. She's kind of a really good horror writer who sort of writes through the female gaze. She's been a huge influence. I mean even in my nonfiction stuff, honestly, like I always just try to Pepper it with some of her kind of wit this shit really really great sense of humor. I mean not to be basic but you know, Carrie Fisher also was a huge huge influence on me. She's my one of my biggest Inspirations just as a writer because same she's also very funny but very smart just like whip-smart when you read her book, yeah. And just anything that she's written. She's really great. So she was obviously it's a Cyrus was the last book that she came out with right? Yeah. That was for last one, which was yeah based. She wrote around her Diaries. Basically that she kept when she was like 19 and filming the first Star Wars so that one yeah, if you go back and read her writing when she was 19 years old. It is astounding she was so smart such a good writer and I mean she continued to be a good writer. But like if I had those skills when I was 19 years old, like it's the kind of writing that you know, grown adults would a spy. So yeah, she is our very own princess Prodigy our general. Yes, absolutely and she continues to be I continued to read her stuff honestly just sometimes you know, she's been a nice kind of anchor for a lot of stuff to obviously she wrote about mental illness and you know death different things. I think a lot of us have experienced. So yeah, she continues to be very relevant to me as a writer in terms of like trying to think of people like in my field maybe that inspired me. The one writer I always kind of give a shout out to is Amy Nicholson. She's a freelance writer now, but she was one of the first like kind of she does a lot of podcasts and stuff. Now she was somebody who I think just kind of wrote without regard to like what people really think about her opinions. Like she's just very much her own has her own perspective as a writer and I think for me, especially when I was in film school, I felt a lot of times like I had to had to like like the movies that everybody else liked, you know, I Don't like all of the kind of Macho movies or whatever. Yeah, I know it took reading like good female writers like her to be like, oh, no I can just I can like Titanic if I want to Star Wars if I want to hear, you know, I didn't feel that I don't know shoot certain writers like her of made me feel more confident and just being, you know being liking what you like and writing about that. Yeah. I totally feel that, you know having having all these big movies coming out that everybody's talking about and sometimes you can kind of feel pressured into liking them just because you want to be a part Of the conversation, but I think it takes a lot to really just step out of that zone and like you said like what she liked and kind of died on those sorts of Hills, you know. Yeah. I mean that's when the writing that you do is the best is when you're you're really confident and like what you actually believe and I think just learning to let go of like caring if you sound cool and Twitter, you know, it's heart in it. That sounds really a silly but it's actually really hard when you're trying to break out for sure. Now in regards to Star Wars, what is it been about this franchise and these movies that are have really connected with you because I know at least for myself, you know, they connected with me one way when the the I saw the original trilogy and the prequel trilogy kind of changed that and then the sequel Trilogy has drastically changed the way I look at and interact with Star Wars. I laugh at people who say no Star Wars is dead. It's running out of steam. I'm like, I think Star Wars was dead before we got these new movies honestly in a way, you know it. Was it was vacant in our life's for so long and now it's changed so dramatically the landscape looked so different. So what has been the impact on you and why is it connected with you? Yeah, it's something I think about all the time because sometimes I do Wonder like it's not something on paper. I've not really always been into stuff like this. And so it's hard for me sometimes to pinpoint like, why does Star Wars speak to me in such a way? I do think the sequel Trilogy really like rejuvenated that love because it was finally giving us these stories. You're kind of a female gaze, you know, we're seeing a woman's perspective and sort of the hero's journey and if that felt rare to me and I think I just kind of I think I really latched onto Ray. I know you already kind of made that comparison, but it's very true. I think like this feeling of I remember seeing the force awakens and I was excited for the movie but you know, seeing obviously really like double down on my excitement and just seeing this character who's very lonely feels kind of out of place with things and just latches. On to these people who come into her life and like present this exciting fantasy. I think there's something really Escapist and that that that speaks to me for sure. And then I think you know, there's so many different ways to talk about that but I do feel like the sequel Trilogy is just kind of given me these more intense feelings, you know, obviously the fun adventurous stuff is really apparent in the original trilogy, but I don't know that I felt quite you know, the deeper themes the way that I yeah, a lot of that's the reading what other people have written about it and just kind of experiencing the fan. With other people who have like minds but yeah. Yeah, I don't know it's hard. Sometimes it's hard to like, you know, like yeah, I think the fascinating thing about Star Wars 2 is like you can enjoy it on any different level of yeah that you want like you can like it for those action-adventure moments or the pew pew is I refer to them, you know, or like the really deep pathology and it's cool to find your those subsets of people that you can talk to about those sorts of things. Yeah, absolutely and I mean not to like immediately get into like The reloj stuff but I do think like finding that Community really like helped me too because I was feeling a little disenchanted with the fandom after just all the conversations after the Last Jedi not the movie but the kind of you know all the baddest Coraline. Yeah, it was hard. There's bad stuff online what I've never heard of this surprising, but I promise you know, but I think I felt kind of just really bummed out after that just because I loved the movie and I wanted to talk about In a positive way and like I just felt like I couldn't put that out into the world without only like receiving negativity back. So it was really kind of the rail of fandom. That was like, oh no, here's like other women and men and people who you know are seeing something that I'm seeing in these stories and want to talk about it on this deeper level and it's not just like the vitriol. So I think that was like a nice way back in. Yeah, and I know you said, you know not to get into reloj, but let's because that is the name of your podcast and I want to go back to one of your articles. I'm going to put you on the The spot here, but in a good way because you I was reading this do it as Palpatine would say so you read this article back in June and it's called the case for reloj and Star Wars the rise of Skywalker. It was almost like you were destined to make a podcast about rail. Oh, so you wrote think back to Anakin and padmé and they're doomed love which destroy the Jedi Order and inadvertently created the Empire and then you later wrote by creating to all-powerful force users you asked. So, how does the force this Almighty power? Reckon with his destruction by creating two all-powerful Force users from different worlds and different sides Drawn Together by fate and passion romantic. Love broke. The Jedi Order. It might be the only thing that can save it as like Mike drop Lindsay Romain dang like that line and this again is just why I love the way you write this. Do you want to talk a little bit about just the I don't know if you've been well versed like the reverse on a doll all that stuff. I'm sure you have but in terms of just like the idea of like, you know, our wars being a love story and I try not to harp too much on radio, but it's Central to the the story and I'm a huge fan of it. And I think this ultimately this Trilogy is going to be that love story. Once again, it's going to repeat those same story beats. Yeah, I think so. I'm definitely familiar with with the reverse on a dolla through, you know other things that other people have written about it in a really smart way. I think yeah, I think what you just like the line that you said, Obviously, I wrote that but it was something that kind of like when I came to that conclusion, you know, like even in my own head because I was trying to like put to words. I was like, why do I feel like this is such a powerful thing. Why does it mean something to me? Why do I think it's like a healing part of Star Wars? And yeah when I realized I was like oh because like it was definitely something you know, yeah, like you said the romantic love broke it what's a different kind of relationship than we've seen in Star Wars before we've never seen to force users and love and what can that be? You know, what does that mean? And what does that look like? And yeah, I think love and all of its different forms have been kind of both powerful and poisonous to the force. So, you know, I can't romantic love make it all better or one did reloj click for you. Was it during the force awakens during The Last Jedi know for different people. It's clicked at different times. And I think that's the most interesting part about this story. Is it can really Dawn on you at any moment the light bulb goes off. You're like, oh, okay. That's How it is and I love seeing new people come into the fold on Twitter and you know just being like, oh, I see it now, you know and that's such a great moment. Yeah for me. It was kind of late. It was definitely after the Last Jedi. I mean it was like watching it and then kind of afterwards really like marinating on what I thought that was what was actually going on. Yeah. I think it took it took a while maybe not even out a while to like I think immediately after I watched the movie I was like, oh there's definitely like something going on there. I think it took a while for me to like Really, you know I had to write right through it and kind of listen to stuff and talk to people before I like really landed on like my extreme feelings of like, oh, yeah. This is definitely something I see as romantic love for me. It was kind of I had to divorce myself from this idea of them being related not because I think that the Last Jedi does anything to make you think that but I think I spent the majority of the time between the force awakens in The Last Jedi like theorizing that they were somehow going to be relatives and so as I'm sure a lot of us did and so it was like I had to kind of be like, okay, that's Not a thing. What is it if it's not that so it yeah took some time but I think definitely through writing about it more and through you know, listening to podcasts like Sky stalkers and other ones listening to what people were saying. I was like, it feels kind of undeniable to me now, even if it's not something that's ever like fully realized within the text of the movies. I feel like it's at least intentionally, I would say romantic. Hmm. I would agree with that completely so talking on your podcast that's coming out. Soon, it's called Halo reloj, and you host it with Natasha Fox. Yeah, and it's a limited series. How is this podcast different than some of the reloj discourse that's already been out there. You know, what is this going to be adding to the the mix The Melting Pot of rail. Oh, yeah. Well the intention there is because yeah, there's so many podcasts already, you know hosted by incredible people who talked about this already. I might intent wasn't to kind of like do something that was like besting that or anything. I wanted to talk. More about like the community itself, like kind of only about reloj and the people in it. So people who come at it from different ways and how reloj like, you know, like for me, like I said, I kind of informed my fandom again and helped me find my way back into it. I wanted to find other people that have had different Journeys with it and how they express that in different ways. So, you know, we're going to talk to people who like have caused played and fanfic writers and just people who've come at it from different perspectives. Yeah, we're still putting that all together, but that's that's hopefully going to be the intent of it. We did it. Our first episode which is kind of a nap. My co-host has been a part of the fandom since the force awakens, which so she's like one of those, you know ogier a lows as I call them. So she kind of been our first episode we go through like kind of the history of of you know, how it developed and some of the the ups and downs and what people have been dealing with just by saying that they're shippers and the Star Wars World which is a whole lot. So what have you found so far from the podcast? I mean are you doing a mix of Online research but also like speaking with people interview eyes. Yeah. Well, we haven't really recorded anything beyond that first episode so far. So I haven't, you know, we're putting together a list of the people that we're going to have on the show. And yeah, so I haven't really like arrived in anything specific yet, but I'm hoping that in this, you know this time between now and the rise of Scott Walker before we know for sure how things wind up that we can just kind of yeah to talk to some cool folks and yeah just really like the whole intent behind Find it really was too for me to like use whatever platform I have to sort of legitimize the shipping corners of fandoms because I think that's still something that has a lot of stigma attached to it. You know as we I think we mentioned this in our first episode and I that you know in Star Wars, it's very it's like an acceptable thing to be really into like ships and droids and to know all the ins and outs of that kind of thing. But like, you know, if you want to talk about romance suddenly like you girls stuff and like people, you know, They attach this this sort of you know bad flavor, I guess to that and so I think that's silly because I think especially in my experience with the reloj community. It's been people who have seen things that maybe other people don't see that's being more and more of legitimate. Yeah, like materials coming out and it's like see they're actually onto something and like you're trying to undervalue what people are are saying and how they approach their fandom and I think that's not cool. So just kind of yeah that was sort of the the the idea behind it. Yeah, I think of the Han Solo line women always find out the truth always. Yeah, so true so true. I was thinking about that the other day when we were recording I have to say to your podcasts like theme song at least in the like the minute trailer that you released that's slaps. That's how I'm slaps. Thank you. Tell us a little bit about who made that song and kind of what was the inspiration behind it. Yeah. That's my friend. Stephen Boyd. His user name is DJ. Empirical and he's a DJ whose I met him through another Friends Podcast and he created awesome music for that. We've become good friends. And so I knew it was actually funny. When I first started the idea for this podcast. I wanted it to be I was gonna do a Darkrai podcast and it was going to still be like a limited series type thing and I just had a hard time like actually like knowing what that meant. You know, it was like a darker that sounds cool. Then I was like, I don't know what we talk about weak to be weak. Like, I just kind of the idea sounded cooler and then I had a hard time kind of putting it into into reality, but he first created the music for that. So it was just raised theme and kind of like a rkt dark kind of you know re re doing and when I told him I was like I actually think I'm gonna switch it to reloj thing, but I don't want to lose your music. Can you just put kylos theme in there too? And he was like sure so that's kind of what it is. It's like a darker version of race and kind of like remixed a little bit and then his theme kind of comes in eventually. So it's really cool I was Excited about it. Yeah, and the art I gotta say when I look at the artwork for your podcast. I don't know why and I'm hoping there is some connection but it makes me think of like a Harry Potter cover like it seems like it would be the cover of one of those books. It makes me think of I think in particular like the Goblet of Fire almost like that looks exactly like in terms of style and color scheme. Is that at all kind of intentional like is that inspired by it at all? No, it wasn't intentional, but I did the artist after. After Blossom, I've seen her artwork. She's in a lot of beautiful reloj artwork and I just kind of deemed her. No, I think actually maybe I put out a call for like artists when I like had decided on the topic and she luckily I was kind of hoping that she would respond to me and and she did right away with saying like I'd be really interested in this and I was like, oh great because I knew her stuff was just beautiful and I just kind of let her go with it. I was just like I just want ran kylo involved like I don't really care what like what else you do? I trust your instincts and then she sent me back that and I was like, oh my God, so beautiful and like just like way more than I was even expecting now that I wasn't expecting it to be great. But yeah. Yeah and she sent me that I was like, I'm gonna get T's you for every commission when I you see great artwork that somebody created for you and you just want to faint. Yeah like oh my God, this is the real. Yeah. It kind of It kind of really puts it. In the in the focus for you and like happening. Yes, it motivates you because that's when I was like, okay now I have to do this. You know, I've got these beautiful like art, you know, the music and the art coming together because I think I was you know, I was wanted to but I think that really kind of like lights the fire under you to be like, okay now it's time to get going and these people have created this beautiful stuff for you and stuff. Yeah, put it all together. And then the the text I wanted to also say the text on the podcast is my sister did that so after Boston's did the actual artwork and then my Sister who's a graphic designer? Her name's Alyssa Romain. She did the font work for it to which you know font work is definitely like also brings it all together because like it does yeah doesn't look good. Unless your typography stuff is good also so Ram don't want to put it just expands on your on your podcast cover. Right? Right, right, and she was the only person like, you know that I knew who did stuff like that who I was like, okay. I really trust your like font instincts. Yeah. I love that font instincts. Hated it. Now. What do you think would be the biggest challenge of this podcast? Because you're I think you're doing really great work. I think the fact that rather than talk strictly about the actual content of rela, which I'm sure you will too along with with everything that's happening but actually going to the people in the community and and speaking with them and finding out like, you know who have been big influencers with this idea. Like what do you think will be the biggest challenge for you in the Tasha? I think the biggest challenge is honestly just going to be scheduling and like getting ourselves on the same plate. I know that sounds boring and Technical. I'm not too worried about it getting getting actual guess because we already kind of reached out to all the people we want. So it's just I think it's just figuring out like times that work for all of us because we're all pretty busy. So, you know setting it setting a time and getting all that stuff down and then also like I was kind of telling you off are like iTunes is taking longer than I was expecting to approve this so that kind of threw a wrench in some of my schedule. This is just like, you know, the One little technical things when you're starting a podcast on your own for the first time. You just kind of have to figure out figure that stuff out along the way so yeah. Yeah. Luckily a Natasha's done other podcast before so she's been kind of my my Guiding Light through all the solute how to put everything together whatever. But yeah, I know and she's not got a great roster people. Yeah. It's just putting all the schedule especially, you know, now that the movies so close we kind of wanted to do this around the release and do it limited series. So it's just going to be getting One, you know when they have time and stuff, but I think we'll make it work might be a little shaggy. But hey, well, yeah, I mean, we're only 45 days out from the rise of Skywalker. Not that anybody or myself is counting, but I think you're going to have a lot of great stuff to talk about come December now speaking of other things to talk about here. So I got to go back to the article that you wrote on Bend emption and you being a band emptiness as well now, I want to get your take on why you think kylo, Ren can be redeemed because this again this and many other people I think is a hill we will die on and it's you know Redemption is such a central theme to Star Wars and I think it's important to take a step back and ask like, you know, why why Redemption, you know, what does it teach us about, you know ourselves as a collective Community this article that you wrote, you know, you mentioned Gilgamesh and hear all this really great mythology yin, and yang and you wrote the phrase carries a number of Readings referring to no one is ever really gone, but key among them is that kylo is still salvageable. Luke knows this firsthand having witnessed Vader sacrifice and final Good Deed Anakin Skywalker achieved Karma a Buddhist concept that is the sum of a person's actions and all states of existence and which decides ones fate and future existences. Karma is inherently Redemptive Good Deeds restore good faith, and you go on and say, you know kylo could acknowledge his failures and he can also find Salvation and the rise of Skywalker and because he fell from a shorter height his goodness may not be transactional. He could indeed get to live. So by that notion, you know Vader had to be redeemed and die, but, you know kylo could change that story. It's not just about redeeming yourself because it's your last ditch effort to be a good person. It's like you will live on and have to continue being a good person and that's how I read that that final line. So what is your take on unbend emption and why is it so Needs to happen and the rise of Skywalker. Yeah. Well, like you said I mean Star Wars is definitely always been about it's always been a Redemption story. So to me that's sort of like you said non-negotiable non-negotiable. It's something that I don't understand like what the point of the sequel Trilogy is if he just ends up bad, especially the whole thing has been about his draw to the light, right, you know, I to me it would seem really silly to just kind of like introduce that side of him and then just be like, oh nevermind. He's bad. He's dead really it just seems And the story yeah, and especially positioning him is like the final surviving Skywalker and you know, he's got this place in the story where it feels like it's pretty like it's pretty important and not to like take away from raisin Port importance in the story also, but I do think that there's some kind of you know, you don't you don't make the last surviving Skywalker. I mean, I guess lay is the also surviving Skywalker, but you don't make like kind of the Next Generation Skywalker kid like have no no. Hope I guess is kind of how I see that. So to me, it's just kind of important to like why Bring the story back and why introduce this character if that's not the story that you're telling at least somewhat as years the transactional thing. I mean, I guess he could redeem himself and died, but that to me seems like a really like boring and kind of like easy way to do it. Like I think keeping him alive is the more challenging story because you know, that's living living a life of atonement. We have not seen that in Star Wars. I think Diana's it's so easy. Like, you know, you just you can write characters like okay, they were deemed they died that to me doesn't they don't really have have to do much for that. You know, they might get one good thing and I just I think the more powerful story is keeping him alive and you know, seeing through Cannon or however else it's related to us that he's actually like, you know off doing stuff doing good, you know, whether it's and I think that's more challenging to because it you know, depending on how the story lives on I'm sure we'll in comics or whatever seeing how our surviving characters have to deal with him still being alive to I think is really interesting, you know. Is Ray feel if kylo is redeemed and that's you know, the next stage of his journey. How does Finn see that? You know, like how do all these different people kind of deal with this character? Who's who's evil or it was done evil things who has to kind of find his way back. So I just think it's a more interesting story if he lives if he redeems himself and lives then if he just dies on either side of that, you know, whether or not he's so absolutely I want to see what he has to do to make people feel he's good and I think to the book bloodline where Leia she's dealing with people finding out Darth Vader has her father and that's like a huge struggle for her. It's like, how do I prove to people that? Yes, he was my father. But you know, I'm a good person. So I want to see what that bloodline story looks like in the context of her son Kyle. Oh, you know, give me give me a book. Where now it's kylo dealing with the fact that you know, he his bloodline stemmed from Vader, but also the fact that He was the supreme leader for quite some time and wreaked havoc from the point of view of everybody in the Galaxy even though they might not know his Full Sacrifice if he makes one in the rise of Skywalker of you know, killing Palpatine with Ray. I think it actually be I'm under this like theory that would be kind of interesting if nobody knows Palpatine's back except for Ray and Kyle. Oh, I'm like a Voldemort ask storyline of some sort where like Dumbledore and Harry only no Voldemort's back and kylo makes this tremendous Good Deed with Ray to kill Palpatine and he lives the rest of his days. Nobody even knowing that he's saved the Galaxy and it's like the dramatic irony that could provide in a story is just amazed. It's chef's kiss. Yeah. I just want that, you know. Yeah, I want something like that to something that's kind of tragic and like its implications but like yeah, totally like more, you know more. Meaty, I guess and also you mentioned Leia, I think that's something that I always bring up to people to I'm just like, you know, I've had Only on Twitter get feedback sometimes whenever I post anything on a pro kylo or probe and emption of people saying like well, he's a murderer he's evil and he did all these things and like well, yeah, I mean, he's definitely killed people and whatever. I mean there's a whole psychology can kind of you know track on to that which is that he was kind of abused and manipulated his whole life and thinks he has to do that right even like even beyond that just symbolically like if if he never is redeemed and dies then. Han Solo died for nothing Luke Hannah died for nothing and Leia just gets a like depressing ending like there's no hope for anybody if that's what happens to him. And I feel like these are stories about hope so, I don't really I don't know what that would do. You know, like I do ya like I would be the most miserable possible ending for everybody. It's all of our original Heroes loved him so much that they were like willing to do these Grand sacrificial acts for him and if he just dies and is never That then literally all these people just died for no reason. So yeah, just you know, just to what it means to this story. I feel like it's you know, I don't know it seems a little Grim I couldn't have said it better. I mean rebellions are built on Hope as Jenner so said and even yeah is built on hope her whole storyline and then she even says in the Last Jedi, you know, hope is like the sun if you only believe in it when you see it, you'll never get through the night. Yeah. I'm like that is literally telling you that you know, hope is we've got and the story is going to end on a hopeful note as Daisy Ridley would say it's satisfying I can't do her accents butchered it butchered it call it. We're cutting the show off done right now. So yeah, I love I love been damaged and I really I really hope it does happen. Is that something that you might touch on and your and your reloj podcast? Like how much do you think been dumped and kind of feeds into into reloj and like, how are the two intertwined? Definitely? I definitely have a whole episode planned on that because I do think that the two go hand in hand. And for sure, I mean I think and I think I think you can be a been Dimension is it not be into reloj? I think that's possible but I do think something I mean not to go down the into the weeds with this but something that I really think and I've pointed this out on Twitter and stuff before, you know, two people being mad at me. But I do think this story this time is we don't traditionally in these types of fantasy stories, see how a woman's forgiveness plays into these things. It's almost always Fathers and Sons or you know weird Option stories are often kind of like it's a man for giving another man. And so we haven't really seen something like that play out where it's a woman forgiving a man or you know, it's just kind of like a foreign thing and in movies like this and so to me like part of the rail of thing is like her capacity for forgiveness because she's such a good person. What does that look like through the scope of the story? So I think that's what's really intriguing to me too. Because you know, we've seen the father something a million times so I'm interested to see it especially if it's a romantic thing like how just how that works and how that operates in this world. You mentioned in your trailer as we start to close out the show here. You mentioned the trailer for Halo reloj. It's an exciting yet. Bittersweet time to be a Star Wars fan. Do you want to elaborate on that in terms of in terms of why you feel that way and why other people might feel that yeah, there's a lot of reasons why it might feel that way for me. I guess what I mostly meant by that was just that it's you know, the Saga stories almost over and I I think I love all sorts of Star Wars. You know, I'm really excited for the Mandalorian. I'm excited from our Clone Wars. I'm excited to see you know, Kenobi and what they do, but to me like my foundational love for Star Wars is the Skywalker Saga. So I think it's just not having that is something to look forward to anymore. Yeah. It's just kind of sad and especially these characters. I'm sure they'll like I said, I'm sure they'll Live on another iterations and comics and whatnot. So, it's not like you're really saying goodbye to them. You know you kind of are for at least for now. So I think that's kind of how I feel is like these characters. I've attached a lot of meaning to just personally and professionally kind of, you know won't be around in the same way anymore. So I think I'm kind of both looking forward to that and some you know, stress-relieving ways and and kind of dreading it and the way I said on another pack I said this week that Star Wars always feels like my home base. Like I feel like I write about other things, but I can always kind of come back to that. And it'll feel kind of weird like not having that home base there ya are. It's like our Northern Star, you know, it guides Us in the right direction and and gives us peace and purpose as literally Luke Skywalker went out with and I think of the trailer, you know, we had the shot of rain. Kylo in the throne room and it says the story lives forever. Yeah, and I think the line nobody ever no one is ever really gone. It's almost gonna be like the new I am your father. I feel like it's going to be like one of those Lines that everybody keeps going back to for like generations of Star Wars and I think that right there is telling us, you know, even though these stories are ending right now. No one has ever really gone. We may see these characters again at some point in some fashion and there is more to this this galaxy than just Nine Movies, you know. Yeah, so I want to ask you a couple rapid-fire questions to close out the show and I like doing this with with you with each of my guests. So how do you think you'd be different without Star Wars and I think that one's as rapid as I like it to be but it's a good question. I like to ask. Yeah, I think it for me. Obviously. I've talked a lot about professionally. It's just been very important to me and has helped me. I think honestly probably why I have like my staff writer job is through Star Wars. So I think I would my professional life would look completely different without it personally. I mean, I think I've met a lot of friends and stuff through it too. So I think I just I don't even know I think the because of the professional element. I think it would be completely different. I don't know. But it would be yeah, I totally get that. Now what excites you the most for Star Wars right now? Let's take rise of Skywalker out of the equation because I know everybody wants that movie. I want that movie so bad. I'm you know, my my legs bouncing every day when I'm saying down because I just keep thinking about it. So, what's what are you most looking forward to right now? I'm really this is like kind of vague because I don't know, you know if this is even a thing of the works, but I'm really looking forward to seeing like what other original shows they come up with for Disney plus because I do think that's going to be like the thing that we really start seeing more of is like Disney plus content. I know they're doing it with Marvel. I feel like it's only natural in this time where they try to figure out what they're doing with Star Wars movies that they're going to focus more on TV, and I think it's an exciting time because I think you know, we might see more Dave filoni stuff or like, you know, some new creators kind of getting to Getting to get in there and tell these new stories. I'm just excited to see like how they map out where we go next. And yeah, I'm hoping to see some more women creators and people of color and stuff, you know, just seeing them or seeing that kind of expand a little bit and I think it'll probably start on Disney plus. Yeah. Hey benioff and Weiss those guys are out and I'm here gone people if Ryan Johnson's the next Trilogy, even if he's not directing it I say throw a woman in there to direct this Trilogy and in the have him working. Along with her and it would be the greatest combination for a Trilogy ever and I just want that so bad. I want that really I really want a Rian Johnson Dave filoni like female collaborator like triple. Yeah triple triple threat. Yeah. Yeah, cuz I think filoni and Ryan Johnson have really similar kind of, you know ideas about the force and stuff. And so I'd really like to see them, you know mixed up with somebody else and kind of, you know create this new cool weird thing. God I love weird Star Wars so much never never stop never stop filoni. What is one story that you really want to see you talk about, you know more content on Disney plus is there a particular character or time period that you're really interested in I do I mean, I do want to see this is gonna be kind of like a multi-part answer. I do want to see I know like benioff and Weiss we heard that they were going to talk about like, you know, the beginnings of the Jedi Order that is a story. I really want to see just because the Jedi stuff the mysticism of the forces My favorite stuff in Star Wars. I like like you said weird Star Wars. I like when it gets weird and I feel like that's a really good opportunity. But also in the complete polar opposite of that like whenever I try to like think about what I think the world looks like after eyes of Skywalker. I mean, obviously even without the plot of that. I just don't know. You know, what what that looks like. I don't know what the world looks like if we're telling stories outside of that and in the future, I think that's really exciting. So I think I just want to see some kind of like, I don't know that's not a very good. But I really just want to see like what everything looks like after these big Saga stories have wrapped up and I hope we see like just some new cool women in you know doing stuff. I don't care if it's forced related or not, but it's a very not specific answer. But yeah, no, that's perfect. Is there a zero woman that you really want to see involved in Star Wars whether it's a director or or an actress or even writers who? Hmm. Yeah, I mean, I'm sure if I on the spot I can't think of anybody like off the top of my head. There's so many amazing people, you know, this is a weird answer but she was up for I think a few different parts in Star Wars, but I really I know Tatiana Maslany from Orphan Black. I think she's up for Jin are so maybe in Rogue one or something. She's an actress that I love and I said to me she has such a like Star Wars e aesthetic like she's kind of rough and like or can be rough. I don't know. Familiar with her but she's a really great Canadian actress and ever since I've heard her like being kind of mentioned in the the same breath as Star Wars. I've been like really I've been really anxious to see her and they're somehow I don't care who she plays. I think she just be she'd be really great. So off the top of my head. That's that's my answer. I'll say somebody I've been thinking of recently and this is just from watching Watchman. I would really like to see Regina King involved in Star Wars great. Give me a Gina she is - oh, she's so good and Watchman, if you're out there listening to this and you haven't started watching Watchman yet. Holy crap. It's so good. I know you're a little a couple episodes behind us all your tweets and one episode behind ya how one episode yeah, but hey that Kathryn Hahn show also so good. It's so good. I just randomly started watching it last week and I was like, alright Sunday nights are consumed by a cheap HBO. Anyways, I digress what is your favorite Star Wars movie and why? My favorite Star Wars movie is The Last Jedi, I think because just going back to everything we've been talking about. I think it's weird. I think thematically it's very rich and interesting to me. I think it I love what it does but the star was with those which is kind of like put it under a different kind of focus. It makes you really look at things closer it kind of, you know, the idea of like this straight hero's journey. It really kind of unpacks that and yeah, it just surprised me in every possible way and that's what I want. Out of movies, like I don't want to walk in like expecting some Greatest Hits thing. I mean, sometimes that's fun. But like for me, I want a movie to just completely like annihilate me. Basically The Last Jedi was completely opposite of everything that I thought was going to happen in that movie and like in such a good and exciting way. So that's yeah. That one's important to me great favorite character. Oh boy. It's a It's Complicated. I think I think Ray is probably my favorite if I really had to like pick one, even though she's you know, her story is incomplete. So it's sometimes it feels hard to like say that because I'm like, I don't know what's going to happen to her and this next one but as a yeah, no, I think just because like I was saying she's kind of been my window back into this and I character I really deeply relate to I was not expecting that when I saw the force awakens to be like crying within the first 20 minutes. Like isolated Jack who life and like relating to it a little too hard. So I was like, yeah, she's been she's been sort of my yeah my person through these new ones. So I think just from that alone. She's my favorite perfect. You are trapped on an island and you can pick one Droid to help you get off the island. You can choose either k2so4 R2D2 bb-8 or C-3PO. So this isn't this answer is going to be more based in like who I think would be the most helpful not who I would actually want to be on an island. I think C-3PO would be probably the most useful in terms of getting. Yeah, like I feel like he just knows the most about stuff but I feel like I had to be trapped with one of them on an island like with a no foreseeable rescuing, but I'd probably think are to be I feel like C-3PO would be you just seems like he would because he's so anxious. I feel like he's probably really good at figuring stuff out. So I feel like right he would get us out of there pretty fast. Could find some like weird ancient ruins and read them off to you and be like, oh this says the boats over that way and you're like great. We're off the island. He's like the probability of such and such is this like he would I feel like he would know what's up. Yeah. He's like don't eat those berries on the tree. You do not. Yeah. It does totally he would know about the surroundings more than any of the rest of them. So yeah and lastly here this one question. I do like to ask. So what is one word or phrase to describe the emotions that Star Wars evokes from you when you think about it or watch it. I don't want to go by like the basic route and say hope because that's I feel like that's too easy. Um, let me think. I guess riveted is that I bet I don't know about yeah, you know, that's kind of a nondescript word. But like for me like when Star Wars is really firing off on all cylinders. I just feel very riveted by the characters and story and and yeah, it kind of like can impact me deeper than anything else when it's like at its best. So yeah, I guess riveted great. I love that. We have had a lot of hopes but riveted I haven't gotten yet. So that's that's awesome. I was gonna try to quickly for source.com Hope and like other words. Let's not hope but that's you're like whom let me thank starts typing in the background. I almost did it I didn't but to be honest, I wouldn't have judged you at all use the thesaurus website every day. It's a writers writers best friends, right? Well Lindsay, thank you so much for coming on Friends of the force today. And for those of you out there again, Lindsay's podcast along with an at Fox will be called Halo Ray. So it should be available sometime soon, and you're also doing looks like a nerd is series on different Star Wars lore. So you just recently did lightsabers, which is pretty cool. But what else do you got going on besides those two things or you can speak to those again and and where can people find you online? Yeah. I'll also be doing a Mandalorian podcast. So I'm going to be very Star Wars podcast you for these next little little bit Yeah, and then you can you can find me on nerdist.com every day and then also you can follow me on Twitter at Lindsay remain just my full name great. Yeah, definitely give her a follow. She's got some great Star Wars takes and and they're my favorite and again amazing writing. I will keep reading everything you're putting out. But thank you for what you do in the in the Star Wars community. So it helps to wrap my head around so many different ideas that are out there and and you put it all in the one gift that you just give to us we unwrap it and love it. So so again Lindsay, thank you so much for coming on Friends of the force and for all of you out there listening. Thank you and May the force be with you always thank you all for listening to today's episode of from a certain point of view here at Friends of the forest. I'll make sure wherever you listen to the podcast you rate US five stars and review us that helps other people discover the podcast and join the friends of the Forest Community. You can find us at friends of force on Twitter and Friends of the force on Instagram. You can also find me at Brad Whipple on Twitter. You can also consider joining our patreon at patreon.com slash friends. For starting at just one dollar a month. Thank you to our current patrons all deranian Rose Neal Lowery. 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Everyone welcome back to the show. My guest today is Gigi. At least that's what I know him as there's another guest who's an anonymous account on Twitter. So I don't know his full name, but he's provided an amazing contribution to the Bitcoin space through his to websites 21 lessons.com and Bitcoin - resources.com. So basically these two sites are resources for people to go. Go and learn more about Bitcoin. One of them is kind of aggregation of all the different resources from books and podcasts and articles and websites that you can consult if you're trying to learn more and another one is his own writing, which is also available as a dictation on the 21 lessons.com sight of all the different things. He's learned about Bitcoin thus far and it's set against kind of Alice's Adventures in Wonderland and going down the rabbit hole. It's super cool stuff. I highly recommend you check that stuff out this portion is the rapid fire. Ocean were asked to guess a series of pre-selected questions if you enjoy this or actually even if you don't enjoy this and you'd rather just hear a more open free-flowing conversation mean Gigi did about an hour and a half. I think an hour and 20 minutes just open conversation talking about Bitcoin. It was a super fun chat. So if you're down with a long form and being a fly on the wall for these types of conversations, definitely check that out. I doubt you'll be disappointed. Anyways on with the show. Enjoy. I'm going to Hit you with some rapid fire questions. Now if you call back sure. Okay. So some of these are not necessarily like lend themselves to rapid-fire answers. Don't give me shit. Just answer. However long you like, right? Okay, so what is money? Yeah, what is money? Yeah, it's hard to answer would be half of every transaction. Pretty much. Yeah. Yeah fair enough. Yeah, if you had to go ahead to to add on that I wrote about it at length. It's the second chapter of 21 lessons. So starting with less than seven if you if you if you're interested in what I think what money is and how it evolved just go. 221 lessons.com / 7 you there? Yeah, I think a reference to 21 lessons might be able to answer a lot of these questions but we're go through the many ways if you had to explain Bitcoin to your grandmother or someone over 80, what would you say? Oh, man. Yeah. That's a good one to my Grandma. She's not alive anymore, but she got almost a hundred years old and she was born in 1911. And so she she she is. In a lot of shit and I think I would I would explain it to her that it's money that no one can take away from it's just like gold in the sense gold that you store in your hand. That's probably what I would say. Okay. What is the primary reason why Bitcoin is interesting or important to you primary? Wow. Huh? And that's a good one. Yeah, I would I would say the primary reason why I'm I'm in it full time now is really I believe in the second Renaissance. I think it's really good for the world. Okay. How long are long after you first heard a Bitcoin? Did you start learning about it more or purchase it? Well, let's see it took me a long time. I I think I think it took me two years to purchase the first for the first time and I think it took me a year after that to learn more about it. Nice. See this is an aside one of the things and I know we talked about being all Zen and not like being up in people's Grill about Bitcoin, but one of the things that I don't know I kind of think it did people a disservice in the early days and even now is everyone was always like don't Rush out and buy some investing is risky do your education first all that kind of stuff and like I don't know I think people should be like no fucking get your hands on some as fast as fucking possible. You don't know how this game. Yeah. You don't know how this thing moves and then once you do that, you'll be motivated to you know, educate yourself but like no don't wait, you know, this shit moves fast get yourself involved now and then figure it out after that's by the way, that's my my advice to my very closest friends and family. Just don't think about It it just whatever you're willing to lose just buy some right now. Yeah, no matter what the practice like. I'm I stopped caring about the price right? It's like after the pump of 2017. I stopped caring about the price at all. I'm not looking at price at all. The only time I see the prices either when someone is just screaming about it on Twitter or at the very corner of Wasabi wallet. That's the only time I see the price. That's awesome. What has been your most effective method of educating people about Bitcoin in conversation or more formally. This is pretty much what you do, but go ahead. Well, I don't know I probably riding writing is the most effective one for me because I had so many people the at me or just take me somewhere that you know, like they posted in there like you just have to read it that that really helped me to understand that and so on and so forth. So just writing down what I've learned I think was the most effective can Bitcoin be stopped. If so, what is Bitcoins biggest Vulnerability if not, why not? I don't think it can be self in any meaningful sense. I don't think that we're out of the woods yet. I think it's biggest vulnerability is like a subversive takeover seem similar to what happened to the internet in a way, you know Bitcoin is very realistic still even even though you know, most people are in it for the speculation of the money and so on. But at the core of it, I think it's still very realistic and the Bitcoin was at the the internet was very idealistic in the same way. I mean the way why the reason why the internet is so beautiful is I mean, it has many reasons but one of them is that we have net neutrality and that's that's like a political idea in a way that it in the network like we have the end-to-end principle and network neutrality and all of that. Makes the internet work as we know it today, but still we had takeover of Google and Facebook and other big companies and we see political efforts underway to reverse these engineering decisions that were made. I don't know like 50 years ago problem and I think similar things could happen to bitcoin theoretically but it's really hard to change the protocol because of the nature of it, but I think we Also be on guard to further encroachment of like internet freedoms because we have deep deep packet inspection. And if we abolish net neutrality completely then this will be yeah difficult for Bitcoin as well. I mean, I think it can can overcome pretty much any obstacle and we see that with for example. Yeah, it kind via satellite networks between buy a ham radios and defined by our mesh networks and so on. But still I think any subversion by the powers that be is the biggest danger. Anyway, what was your most recent aha or level up in your understanding of Bitcoin the top one again, as I said, I had like two or three or even four of those just for proof of work alone. I think the most recent one was last week when A I talked with safe since I'm taking his 21 course and I compared I'm currently reading democracy The God That Failed and I was asking safe how he squares the idea that democracy is so horrible with the fact that Bitcoin kinda is a democratic ruler and majority rule and his answer. Really surprised me and kind of level that my understanding because Bitcoin is not Democratic at all. It's very different and you always have a way to exit the system. And do you all think so understanding the nuances of how it compares to existing systems was one of the most recent? Yeah. Aha moment. Anyway, okay, we touched on this a bit already, but what do you think will be Bitcoins biggest impact on society? Yeah, I sound funny definitely some money. Okay, I've returned to someone. When if ever do you think the First Central Bank will start adding Bitcoin to the reserves now, I don't have any special insight into that since I don't come from the finance world, but I wouldn't be surprised if they already do right. What is the biggest mistake you've made with Bitcoin definitely getting my hands dirty with shit coins. How do you feel about Satoshi Nakamoto Bitcoins Creator be anonymous and the Instead. He she they likely control. I think Jimmy song said that disappearing like Satoshi disappearing was the best thing he ever did and the smartest thing he ever did and I would agree with that. It's of the utmost importance for something like Bitcoin that it's really like a gift from God. It must not have a Creator in that sense. I think the origin story is way more important than That most people think and I know that Marty been talks about that a lot of swell like and safe talks about it as well Immaculate Conception of technology. And yeah, I think it kind of having no no Creator and no teen behind it that you can yeah that you can jail or you know, there's no had to cut off. I think it's one of the most important properties. Yeah, and yeah the his Bitcoins No idea man. Like I I think I think I'm not sure. I'm not sure if satoshi's dead, but I think it wouldn't surprise me that he or she or it whatever would have had the foresight to destroy any private keys because yeah, I mean he obviously thought about all of those things a lot if you just read all of his writings, he was way ahead and so So I think I think this points are gone. You know Immaculate Conception was before I had read it anywhere. You know, that's always how I had thought about. You know, how Bitcoin came on the scene just you know, another religious analogy after they just can't hop it up. Yeah at what price would you permanently sell over 75% of the Bitcoin you hold assuming there is no necessity to cover expenses. So could it get to a crazy enough price that you would sell? No never I'm I'm I just like American holding that regards. I will I plan to transfer most of my Bitcoin to Future Generations. Yeah. Have you ever purchased other coins? If so, are you likely to so again in the future? I have purchased it. You wouldn't believe how many and I will not do that again in the future in my defense. I I have I have some sympathy for or some early shit coronary in a way because in my defense again I said as I said, I have a technology background. I didn't know anything about money and so for me it was like oh hey, yeah that uses like more modern or different geographies. I'll just throw such throw my money into that project. Yeah, man. I mean, I think there is no way around it other than if you're like parashar door Michael go see I just thought it Austrian economics for ten years before you got into Bitcoin, but you might be able to not touch any shit guys. But yeah, other than that, we'll look I I suspect more people than like to admit actually did you know dabble in and she coins at a certain period of time even if they were always, you know still like fully on board with Bitcoin, but I mean at a certain point during 2017, I mean not many people can resist like a 10x gain in a month, you know, it's 2,000 x k and yeah week. But it's funny to look back, you know our whole conversation. We just had and for people that are are just checking out rapid fire. I'll have to go to the further discussion portion. But you know, it's funny after all the different narratives and the different things that we think Bitcoin is and can become it's funny to just rewind two years and be like really we were like casting for not me and you but like a larger argument was Bitcoin being kind of like cast aside or at least criticized heavily. Because it couldn't do transactions inexpensively and you know comparing that to everything technology technology. Yeah. Yeah. Love it. Yeah, what is your most contrary and or controversial view or opinion? And if there's not on bitcoin than any subject is fair game. Hmm. Damn it. That that one's really hard to answer. I think most controversial. I die. I'm not sure if it's really controversial in the contract us, but I think I think proof of steak or any other consensus mechanism is bullshit in a way. I think proof-of-work is an absolute necessity like the bridge to the physical world is an absolute necessity. Okay. Ballpark estimate a Bitcoins price in 5 years time. Five years time woman. Where is it? Where's your husband trillion sharks? Where is plan B's five years time? Okay. Well parking. Oh man. I have no idea like I don't I don't even think about these things. Okay. We're currently at roughly 10,000 I think and we'll have a housing coming up. Five years time we'll have had two helpings. Yep. So when was the estimate for of McAfee eating sticks? Was it? 2021? No, that was 20 20 20 20. Yeah, I think okay Vicki - I said a million, right? Yeah in five years time. I'd say yeah 5 million. Okay. Do you believe there are any reliable ways that spotting a paradigm shift? If so, what are they? No, I don't think there is a way to spot the paradigm shift. I Redblacks one recently and I'm convinced it's Nassim taleb is right that blacks whites are impossible to detect beforehand. I think however that you can extrapolate Trends if you understand the new fundamentals like we talked about the Computing Revolution. If once you understand the fundamentals, I think even if it's an exponential Trend you Can extrapolate into the future and some people do it really? Well like Ray Kurzweil think of it thinking think what you want to think of him, but he is really really good at understanding exponential Trends and extra relating them into the future. So I think you can do that for you were able to people did do that for all kinds of things like, you know, flying machines and cars and especially Computing and also networks like the internet and also mobile Computing and so on and I think the same And be done for for Bitcoin, but I don't think there is a way to spot absolute Paradigm shifts to spot barks whines. Okay. Do you have a morning routine? If so, what is it? Get up? Get out get it done not necessarily in that order. Yeah. I tried to go for a run daily, and I haven't even in routine. So what is it? Yeah. I try to like I'm at it. It every day even though even if it's just like 10 10 minutes or so, but I try to do more but you know, you know, I guess it's kind of hard to find the time but I was able to do that for the last two and a half years almost and I meditate I try to write my thoughts down if I can not perfectly able to do to do it every day, but like every second day or so, I'm I started learning Spanish half a year ago. So I learned Spanish it. You think it's right? I'm really bad. Yeah, and I also do some exercises and right. How do you define success? That's a good one? Yeah, I would say. I would say if you're able to something that you love and to do something also where you can really look yourself in the mirror and don't take yourself and your able to sustain your family with it that's successful for me. But that final question. What is the one most important action I or anyone listening can take today to up our game in your area of expertise. So like people that want to improve what's the best way you know how to do that at this point in time in relation to bitcoin. And then so what's the single thing you can do to or what something that's really kind of helped you operate in this space Oh buy Bitcoin. That's why I like it. Yeah, I think the more skin in the game. You have the more serious you're going to be about it. And once you go all in then the only thing that I can do right now is learn. My income with coin and that's what I'm working towards. Yeah. Okay last part. This is a word association. So I'm just going to say a word you blurt out. Whatever comes to your mind. All right, Satoshi Nakamoto genius government unnecessary ashrae. amazing the individual Sovereign security Primacy stack in SAS daily fiat currency State funding also government should you have to differentiate Fiat currencies government should go. Okay. I'll call it should coin Pizza Delicious Trump. Try destroying the dollar Libra. Ah shit kind of these guys go. Ah, yeah, I'll take the Bitcoin and Bitcoin. Oh man, I've nothing I love it. I love it. It's perfect. Well, man, I really appreciate you taking the time when you've had almost no sleep to just come and have a chat with me. I got them Marty friend is responsible for that. He didn't drop. Yeah. Well, like I said, I appreciate you coming on we could probably talk for like three or four hours, but we'll leave that for another time. Maybe I'll hit you up in a half year and we'll see we're kind of both of our opinions and understanding or at all right then any time I'm always happy to talk about it. All right, man, before I let you go for the work that you've done and are doing and the resources you put out there. Just let people know where they can find them. Yeah, you can get a hold of me on Twitter. Mostly. I'm very Chichi on Twitter Dr. Gi gi and I also have Gog.com and where I put up my Bitcoin articles and some other resources. I've bit coin - resources that come where you can access to some books and articles and podcasts and podcast episodes that I think are useful in understanding the time and if you want to read about what I've learned falling down the rabbit hole, I think there's no better place then going to 21 lessons.com. Yeah, and I consumed I read it I read everything and listen to Everything and I just want just want to show you how because the first of all the 21 lessons things. If you're not into reading it's all in and like kind of like an audiobook. You had someone read it, right? Yeah guys want from the cryptic only right? Right. So super accessible if you just want to download it and then listen to it whenever you have the time but it's also you know the way that you structure it was cool because you intertwined all these different quotes from Alice in Wonderland, right? Yeah, exactly so he for each lesson. Kind of like a quote that Court, you know that's relevant to something that happened in Alice in Wonderland a quote. Now someone landed that's relevant to whatever the lesson is. So it kind of makes it a little bit more entertaining and engaging and less less of just the kind of information dump. So I highly recommend that as a resource and guy did a really great job of reading it. So I just took myself and I enjoyed the audio version way more than what I think. Yeah. Well this thing is always easier to read yeah. All right. Well GG. Thanks again for coming on man. I wish you all the best in your future endeavors. And like I said, look forward to another catch up in the not too distant future. Yeah. Thanks so much for having me and if you like if we ever meet in real life and there's a time and a place for it. I'd be very interested to explore the Psychedelic World. Well, you haven't let's do that you I'll send you a link afterwards about some of the interviews I've done before but more than happy to be a resource turn. Able to be a resource for that stuff for you. Awesome. Sounds good. All right, brother. Take care. Thank you. What's up guys? Hope you enjoyed the show. Just a reminder. If you enjoyed those rapid fire questions Gigi and you want to hear more check out the further discussion episode where we take about an hour and a half and just have an open free-flowing discussion about Bitcoin we go down a number of the various rabbit holes discuss a bunch of the narratives that are emerging around Bitcoin. What we think is going to happen when Bitcoin the future of discuss how Bitcoin has changed our behavior and how likely to change other behaviors in the future all that kind of stuff. So if you just want to tune in on the conversation the two boober obsessed bitcoiners head and definitely check out the full discussion episode. That's it.

**Apologies for the audio on this one, new set-up didn't go so well, lol. It's worst at the beginning** Gigi is another guest which I first came accross on Twitter. I thought he was putting out some well-articulated and insightful tweets, so I checked him out a little bit further. I then came across two great resources which he has put together: 21lessons.com and bitcoin-resources.com. In the first, Gigi grafts his own journey learning about bitcoin, onto the classic tale of Alice's Adventures in Wonderland, in an informative and entertaining way, available in both written and audio format. It's a very convenient way to get caught up on bitcoin. In the second, he provides a collection of great content for those who want to dive deeper, it too is a great resource full of useful information. No particular angle in this chat, just thought it might be fun to connect and geek-out about bitcoin for a while. We touched on some of the important narratives around bitcoin, and how more are emerging all of the time, drawing ever-more diverse people into the space. Of course, we got a little cosmic too, because, well, it's fun:) Enjoy!

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I don't know the last time you won in Pittsburgh. I think that was like in the late 90s and you come out in a close game 17 to 10 and a hostile environment. So it just shows a lot, you know, where the Buffalo Bills and but the head coach is doing over there especially going into environment especially going against the team. We are both were fighting for the wild-card race. Yeah. That was a playoff game last night in the environment was electric. I think something that should be noted before we pivot to another conversation. And TJ watt the defense got introduced before the game. TJ watt was the last person out of the tunnel that's becoming his defense over there. And I think they all feed off of it. That's a very good defense for the Pittsburgh Steelers excited to see what they do going forward, especially in future years. Buffalo Bills good squad. Let's move forward now. Hey, did you see the clip that came out from the Cincinnati Bengals security guy between he and the videographer and what did you think of that entire thing in my eyes now? I might be wrong. I'm not a hundred percent sure. There's any thing that they can really pull from that. Video I might be wrong. What are your thoughts on it? I yeah, it's too much you can pull but the whole thing is why? Yeah, I agree special all these Gates that's been that's been going on with the New England Patriots. Like why y'all keep doing this why y'all keep getting cold? You can still not still signals, but you can get an idea on what a guys doing on the field. You can look at personnel and kind of get a ideal on the tip or Tennessee and what I mean by personnel and you notice Pee Mak like who's coming in on nickel if your office who's coming in on a dime so you A tendency or a tip on what a defense coordinator wants to do depending on who's in and out of that defense unless somebody's injured. So but the whole thing on videotape it is like man, we already share video tape anyway with no sound so all of all the people who don't know football players, we watched tape but the tape the tape doesn't have sound so you go off with Personnel you go over formations and that's how you try to gather your tips and tendencies, but it's like every couple of years I guess. Every five years man, some kind of gate comes out and it's coming from one team. Yeah, and the interesting thing is the only other thing that serving caught up anything was Josh McDaniels when he's at the Broncos who Josh McDaniels comes directly from that it's so intriguing because they are the greatest Dynasty in sports. I'm not just saying in football but in sports do you think if this footage was a little bit more telling and people that actually know football and embedding football thought that there was more to get out of this and it would be a much bigger story today because it I feel like it's not even that big of a story right now. People are just like, yep, that's the Patriots things like that are going to happen. Everybody who thinks they're cheaters are still thinking they're cheaters everybody. It doesn't still doesn't it's not that big of a story right now. Yeah, but of course there's why especially when you give coach Sean Payton, you know that pillar to it that penalty and that fine for the bounty hunt. So it's like you break your break them off you break them off arm and a leg and all y'all doing this give a slapper slap on the wrist for the New England Patriots, you know, when you find a billion that ain't letting you find a big enough Island a thousand dollars three hundred thousand dollars. They know but jet fuel gas money. That's all that is, but it is like man this Every couple of years but then you get a situation which you know coach Sean Payton said he knew nothing about the bounty hunting you you take an arm and a leg off of him and we all know under coach Belichick. He knows everything that go on that facility regardless on what do you want to believe it or not? So my whole thing is why you know why y'all keep getting caught why y'all keep doing this that's a great question. A lot of people ask that. Here's a question I have for you. I guess a very successful member of one of the most successful defenses. Of recent history that Pittsburgh Steelers defense where you guys were on cover of magazines and everything for good reason these 49ers defense was heralded as the greatest in modern history, especially early now granted they are injured in banged up but in the last two weeks, they've given up 10 touchdowns and yesterday with 70 yards to go Matt Ryan one timeout up five. They let up a touchdown to Julio Jones. Is there cause for worry in San Fran about that defense going forward or is this just something that can happen? No, that's just something that can happen and it wasn't like it was a hot. Go day, so it's just matter ice, you know got the ice in his veins on that one drive and why not find the Julio and they wind up scores something. They haven't been doing all year but against the dominant defense and yeah, they defense is nicked up, but you know what man if I'm just going to give up 20 22 points in the game and lose and they came on a last drive as defensive coordinator. I'm just going to say they got it. It's not like people have been driving have been having a game when it drives on the same frame for 89 and throughout the whole season. It just happens. So it sucks. It happens. It's late because now you go from controlling your destiny. Hopefully getting home-field advantage to them that damn near been a wild card. That's how tough that the vision is over there in the NFC. Yeah. They asked these hot I think the Cowboys are going to win that against the eagle is Russell Wilson and Seattle Seahawks get a big win against the Panthers which pumps them up to 1 I believe in potential home field advantage. Have you played in Seattle? And how big is home field advantage in the playoffs? Yeah, I'll play this. Yeah, you know, you know what I tell, you know still look I know I know the Cowboys are America's team, but still is our the nation team. Could we just got everybody area was so it was like man, we I felt if you're like a home game T-Mac like Pee Mak when went to Seattle and feeling like a hunk and only thing is man you all are well over there on that North on the northwest side, you know, you damn near couple hours away from Camden a couple hours away from Alaska. It was a whole different world. Salt like man what we at like the fish taste the fish tastes better the fish tastes like man, it just came out the water or the eat. So it's like man, everything is fresh. Everything is cool. But that stadium that 12-man Stadium. It's always rocking. So when you go in there, you best believe man. You ain't playing against 11. You better add that 12-person. That's everybody sitting in that stain. That's why that home field advantage in the NFC is going to be so important. You got Lambo potentially home-field Superdome potentially don't feel Seattle potentially home field and then saying Frank and even when it back in it's either a travel issue a noise thing or Lambo Hallowed Ground. I mean, it's going to be tight over there in the NFC Ike let's talk a little bit about who's going to get fired who's gonna have their job Jay Gruden fired. Ron Rivera fired Freddy kitchens. Probably fired matinee. You probably fired Jason Garrett if they don't want to Super Bowl fire, there's going to be a lot of jobs wide open up for grabs. Do you think a college coach like Urban? Mayer who's been spotted out the Redskins game and his name has been linked to other jobs would do well as an NFL coach and what does it take to be a good NFL coach Ike Taylor as a two-time Super Bowl champion. I think the best the best fit and I don't like to call the coach's job, but that's just how it goes. I think the best fitted Dallas, you know, because he's been with Zeke he understands it's a nice situation. It's not too much for him to do going into Dallas if coach Jason Garrett wines of getting fired. You have a quarterback got a young tight end whose approval right now or if you want to keep Jason waiting on boys just to show the young tight is how it's done. You got a defense just looking at how they play last night, they continue to play and develop because they're young they can be excited. And that's the difference you're looking for known that side. So I think just going into a perfect situation. It will be doubted for Coach. Urban Meyer. The only thing is Jerry Jones. Yeah. That's the guy you gotta that's the guy you gotta deal with it. So in a bad thing about Sad thing about that. He is the head guy. He wants all the controls. So, you know, you're going to make a stand when you need to talk to him and like and be like look man. I'm control of this football is football team. This is what I want to do or you just going to have to go with Jerry Jones says and does Jerry's been the GM since 1994 for the Dallas Cowboys Not So Long by God, there's no other GM in history. He's been the Kryptonite if we can just stay out the way Jerry Jones when you want to talk Talk about business minded being business savvy. There's nobody better than Jerry. I give them that all day. Well far as like football operations and just from a GM standpoint Jerry. Has it done bad from a GM standpoint. I got a tip my hat to Jerry on the guys. They've been drafted and he haven't done bad at all. It's just now it's a dark cloud always what it seems over the head coach's head agreed. I agree. I'm giving you all this Lee way. I'm letting you drafted. As you won't you can't even let me coach a hundred percent. You always got something to say. Well Jerry literally always has something to say and everything. He says is always going to get magnified because it's Jerry Jones and that's how he wants it. That's how he likes it. That's how he's created this 5 point something billion dollar franchise. But if you look at what happened last night with the way that's are yesterday with the way the team has built in the way. He said like hey, this team is built for the Long Haul. Do you think a college coach is a guy that could work not only for the Cowboys but in the NFL it is not worked in the past. You look at guys like Saban Petrino these authoritarian type coach Auto have not shown. Oh has not worked in the NFL. Do you think it's something that Urban could work in the NFL? Yeah, and the reason why I think it will work is because that's what it's going if you just look at what Lamar Jackson in the OSI is doing over there like the OC wind up having four or five different College OCS come and him sit down and talk to him and ask him. How would you look how will you use on the more Jackson? See the problem is these offensive coordinators? They've been stubborn they've been stuck in their ways and they don't want to learn. So now you you have a head coach who's already in a college mentality or cow. This mode and now what you're going to do, you're going to go back to the Mississippi State days with that. You can go back to the Ohio State days. You will look at your office line, which you always had at Ohio State you can look at Zeke and you can be like, you know, what this is the same kind of system. Let me tweak what's good for Zeke. Let me tweak was good for that. Let's go back to this college system. Let's simmer down or some of the terminology. Let's make these guys comfortable. Let me make deck not have to think so much. Let me get a ball the Zeke and parlor and we're going to Win some ball games, but when you have a OC who can think like that? Yes, you're going to succeed when you have all these old school old OCS and they don't want to change and they stuck in their ways and they get a Personnel guy who can't do it. They do it for them. They system. They don't want to change so it hurts to Michael Vick's in the long run. They her surrounded Cunningham's in the long runs. But when you see what they're doing with Lamar Jackson when you have OC who changes up his whole offensive scheme or special guy like him. Are Jack see you see what they doing? Yeah, I think I think the modern football is changing right out from underneath a lot of the old heads. I'll be excited to see if Urban Meyer who by the way by all accounts has been a great coach everywhere he goes and whether or not Scandal follows or not. He's been a great head coach. I'll be excited to see if NFL guys react the same way to him. That'll be fun story to turn out. Okay. Now before we let you go and we can't thank you enough for your time here at Kansas City Chiefs win yesterday, and that's no was something I thought was awesome. I mean the ability to win not only on a fast track, but also Also in that Blizzard yesterday LeSean McCoy has this ability to control his body and Slick services. I don't think a lot of people have seen Patrick Mahomes can throw the ball in that tough weather which are going to have to do in the playoffs regardless of where they have to go. Did you learn anything from that Chiefs team yesterday? It makes you think you know what that team could beat the Ravens the current Ravens. That's the Ravens in the past that they beat where they're throwing 50 times, but the current Ravens in that AFC Championship race. It is if it's snowing they got action because we all know pat pat. You don't want it snowing you got that you got action when you punting and kicking the ball. Oh, yeah when it's freaking cold and it's raining. It's a little bit different. It's a little bit different. I don't know what it is with the are so snow is fun to play it you get seven studs and what I mean by seven studs you get your cleats that Dane their inch and a half longer you're able to grow up you get Shady McCoy. We saw in snowstorms what he was doing Buffalo. He was acting like He was ice-skating, you know, so say it is just that kind of guy when it snows when it's around this time. You put snake you put shading in the game password when Holmes you just a little guys in the pregame those guys ain't nobody having fun. So all head might be like man, they're not taking the game serious, but they don't want to win not just a whole new generation. So sometimes as old-school guy, you just gotta change and accept man. These Heidi's got business how this generation these guys relax before the game. Then when you see when they go into the game in a way to before me be like, okay, so they take it as serious but they ain't taking it too seriously. So well, they feel like they planned stuff. So that's where homes and Company. Yeah, man, if it's snowing and it's clear they got action if it's raining, you know, what Baltimore want to do. They want to run the ball down your throat and then want to play good defense. That's so interesting to think about. I love snow so much more than rain. So you just basically painted everything but do you think with all their weapons that they're the only team that could beat Lamar Jackson in the AMC or does this Houston Texans team that could sneak in? Do you think they could give Lamar Jackson some problems as well? Even though they got slaughtered by them a couple weeks ago. It's all about mashups. So I don't look at records. I think I think a team that can give the Baltimore Ravens problems is the Buffalo Bills to the Buffalo the Buffalo Bills Bills play really good defense. They just need an extra running back you and we saw what Singletary is doing Young singer Terry he lit up. Up the Pittsburgh Steelers closer to 90 yards. I think he had 87 yards or 21 touches and we keep forgetting a the the Hall of Fame God whenever he wants to retire Frank going what he's doing over there. So they play Smash Mouth when it comes down to the running game and we forget that Josh a delight 6 5 to 40. He's big dude. Yes. I ain't nothing small and he's athletic so, you know, they got a three headed monster if they really want to do it and you got brown who's coming into his own at the Position for their defense man. They they've been stingy don't Boys Don't boy saying man give me that we won't dad then they Peter Pan and everybody right now. So I'll look at matchups nothing. That would be a good match up because they got the same kind of recipe is just you have a special player at the quarterback position in Lamar Jackson hiker Wordsmith. My brother. You were asked Peter panting Rob from the rich give the poor. I respect the hell out of it. They're the only ones that have been able to contain Baltimore by the way did a couple weeks ago got a chance to talk to a lot of Bill staff. They feel very good about their team as they should it was great performance last night great performance today by you. Mr. Ike Taylor. I appreciate you man. Hey, thanks for having me on the show Pete back. Hey cheers, man, two-time Super Bowl champion. I feiler Good conversation are always a family joints. Hey, if there's snow they got action. That's a good point though. It is snow is just a different animal. It almost feels warmer when it's snowing by the way when it's just rain and I don't know. I'm no scientist ssion Gary we talked about this no math with this no scientist, but it feels warmer whatever it's snowing then whenever it is freezing rain and it seems that temperature it just Everything feels a lot. It's it's more fun. I mean it really is range is miserable. So it does your New York, but I know that I don't know how many of those guys how many of the like your teammates would like if you played like a big snowstorm like that was like legit like the first time they never seen snow exactly. There's there's a lot of people a lot of Florida boys right lot of California got now granted. I guess it's snowing everywhere these days. Yeah. Well our main shout out to the Earth. We're just let everybody get some snow. I still think it's potentially us stepping on Earth making it closer to the core which is hotter. So it's eating up everything else really from the inside out or its rocket ships puncture and Holes in the ozone. We just been sending ships out there or it could be the cows Fortin or the SUV's. I mean there's an option what options are I don't know which one's right built night tells me it's a torch basically a show. I watch a video where he towards the Earth. I'm not smart enough to know any of that stuff, but I do know that whenever you see snow for the first time it's a joyous occasion. Oh, yeah, and he had chance to play in it. It almost feels like it's raining though. Everybody's dealt with miserable rain, you know, it is a little bit of a game changer. I like watching the Chiefs. I didn't know people were even gonna be upset about that. No before that and he was right there was people that were like talking bad about it's like what the hell this is a game. We're doing doing surgery. No, we're playing a game. Jeez. I hate support for the patent Act V show 2.0 podcast comes from our friends at manscaped. 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No good for us good for everybody including New England who gets a big win last yesterday over the Cincinnati Bengals that team the defense is unbelievable Stephon Gilmore running away picking off. The defensive player of the year. I think there's other names that could pop up right now around League TJ Watson guy, you can talk about who's been dominant, but they're probably not going to make the playoffs now I can talk about Minka Fitzpatrick has turned around the Steelers whenever he got there. They're probably not going to make the playoffs though. Stephon Gilmore in that defense has one game for the Patriots. They've won the games for the Patriots and he's the star of the show impossible to throw against him only a 12.2 percent completion rate or something ridiculous. Andy Dalton tried him a couple times last night. I don't know. Who is it is joining us now is a man who's a legend a man is a friend of the show. Call us games won Super Bowls Legend marks layer with what's up. Stink. That was all you buddy man. It's always good to catch up with you. Well, you know what? You just mentioned TJ. What? Yeah, you know what I was thinking you got three brothers. I mean think about that Three Brothers all made the NFL they are all stars as far as I'm concerned. But here's what I don't understand. You got tjy and you got JJ Watt. Yeah. You have Derek like hitting the bdd wall. But what the hell what the hell happened there? Yeah, just like the was he like the last one and you just got lazy or maybe it was the first one he got lazy on the next to like I can't give a whole name. Let me just go with initials. I'm exhausted from having all these babies. I don't know what's happened in there. Well, you know, I'm not going to question what family because I think they did pretty good. But I do think they mailed it in a little bit with old Derek who's a little bit different by the way, the only guys playing D offense to he's a fullback. Back, I assume you put him at the end. He's going to wreck shop because that's what TJ wat does and JJ Watt? Okay, I can't wait to get your take on this cannot wait to get your take on this Kansas City Chiefs players. We're having a snowball fight before the game against Denver Broncos yesterday people are up in arms about it, but I learned a lot from that Chiefs team yesterday in a game including the snowball fight with how loose they were going into the game. Did you hate it or love it? No, I loved it. Yes. I like the Kansas City Chiefs. This is what they know. They'd be The Denver Broncos down nine straight times, huh? We match up well with them we understand what they are. They're not even close to us and in here's the deal, you know, everybody sits and says, well, how does you know, how do you let Travis Kelce beat you for 11 catches or whatever the hell it is and that and how do you let like I'm watching that game last night. I get home from calling my gain. I was doing Tampa at Detroit. So I fly home and so I watch the game last night because I get to come into my radio show here in Denver and Talk about it and I can't tell you that in a day and age where everything is three-step drops five step quick get her out into the flats. You know, the Kansas City Chiefs are going Five Guys up front 500 protection our five will take whoever you bring one-on-one across the board. We don't care and we'll take a seven step drop and we'll let our weight. They like a deep route will go with a, you know, a go on a go with a dig underneath it or whatever something that takes 3-4 seconds to throw. And our quarterbacks just going to stand back there and pick you apart. We're getting five guys out of the routes every single time. I bet you 90% of the time. They didn't keep one at striated offensive player in it was Five Guys in the routes 90% of the time. They just have this they don't fear the Broncos. They don't fear Von Miller. They don't fear anybody when it comes to this football team. They just thought I'd work. Hey, you know what? They are Global Jim. We're better than you Mark's lands were numbers. 69 was the center for the long time for the Broncos won a lot of games with Elway up underneath him. I mean a guy that loves the trenches we talk about the Baltimore Ravens offense of line a lot because they are damn good. We'll talk about Lamar Jackson here in a little bit. We talked about the Dallas Cowboys offense line because they've invested a lot of money in them. You're saying the Kansas City Chiefs offensive line does not get enough credit and they're going to be a key to this whole thing going down the stretch. Yeah. Well, I think that you look at their two tackles and Mitchell Schwartz has a really Player and for whatever reason whether he just understands what Von Miller is they just have no problem leaving those guys locked up one-on-one and basically saying we're getting guys we're getting so many guys out in the routes that have so much speed and athleticism it which is going to we're just going to attack your defense. There will be somebody that's going to be wide open and obviously my home is going to find them. So yeah can't see kids to be able to do that when everybody you know uses an extra tight. Bend or a running back or they turn protection to make sure they take Vaughn out there just one-on-one the whole game. They're just like whatever it is. We're not we just don't we don't fear you as an old school guy. How much do you love this Baltimore Ravens offense? They got nine guys on the line and then people are popping off for go routes and Lamar Jackson just an extra player with the ball. They don't you don't have to account for 10 on 11. It's 11 on 11 every single time. It's revolutionising the game changing the game. I think we're going to see a lot more people. Try it in the years to come. I'm just not sure how many Lamar Jackson's are are in the world. How much do you love this one? Baltimore Ravens offense? Absolutely love it. I mean, you know the one thing if you split the field in half and let's say, you know, you're going to play eight-man fronts when you're playing the Ravens, right? So you'll have one single high safety. So if you cut it in half what they end up doing to you is they end up putting up a receiver a tight end on one side. And then what they'll do is they'll start that receiver in motion. They'll stop the ball before he gets to the Opposite side they'll snap it when he said about the like let's say they're running to the left. They'll snap when he's at the right tackle and the timing will be stationary like in a in, you know, kind of a hip alignment off the line of scrimmage right behind the tackle when they snap it those guys will start there at the end they'll line up and they'll be over on the left hand side. Then you'll have Lamar Jackson faking a handoff to the running back and now all of a sudden where you had, you know, three guys on that side of the line of scrimmage blocking for guys now, we'll sit you have seven. For huh? And it's like their ability to gain blockers at the point of attack. They don't worry about Block in the back side. And then the other thing they've done is they've really melded their passing game with their running game and they've eliminated things that are standard operating procedure in the NFL that Lamar Jackson doesn't throw as well. So you get a lot of like what they call X drifts on the backside off a play-action. So it's just a single receiver running a little drift route about 12. Yards, it's a you got one route you're throwing and then they run a bunch of vertical routes and he throws them exceptionally well, and because you get so much man-to-man coverage and you get so many eight-man Franz you run for verticals against the cover three with a single high safety and you're going to eat up the seems like that safety can't cover both of those vertical routes and you get a bunch of one-on-ones wide open and he is absolutely Dion. He's just a visitor ating defense and so like what they've established for him. What they've what they've put together as an offense for him is unbelievable. I'll tell you the other thing is complementary football was oh, yeah, they they they match it with their defense. Their defense is going to Blitz you a hundred percent of the time because they know, you know, you get done with the first quarter and you've had two possessions and you're like shoot a normal game is 12 positions. We've had two were down 14 to nothing now all said we got to throw it every time and now all they're doing is bringing the would let their Corners play, you know 0 I'd say hey, you know we're going to come after you. I just love the mentality of we're going to punch you in the face and if you can beat us great, but you know what you're going to come right away limping with a bloody nose. And that's who the Ravens are they are. They are. I mean, they're bullies. They're an absolute schoolyard bullies structure and the defense around having a lead. He can have a lot of success two coats that are for a long time. They get Dwight Freeney Robert Malthus Jude on is there a guy right now? Let's assume they're going to bring in another pass rusher do if they understand that this often. Continue to go now. Let's talk about the AFC. Let's pivot here a little bit stink. There's a little controversy in the NFL world with some cameras and videographers coming from a dynasty the greatest Dynasty in the history of sports. Is there anything to make from that whole thing or do you think it's just bad timing by guy who didn't know what the hell he was doing up there in New England. I don't think anything is by accident. Oh, like like I just I find it one. I find it hard to believe. Leave that you put yourself back in that position. Yeah, I'll let you know. Let me ask you this. You know, those those white collar crime Wall Street guys. Like how much is enough like those guys? Don't quit cheating when they when they're billionaires, right? They're like, well, I can become a multi billionaire or I can become right so they don't stop cheating until they get caught. And the bottom line is the thing that was fishy for me more than anything else. As soon as the videographer was caught he goes riding to do I can delete it. I can't delete it. Yeah, we're doing you knew you were tilting was something was Askew and I just tell you I always I always look at those situations and say hey, I'm not asking you to do it. I'm not demanding that you do it, but, you know if some video rolled across my desk. As a man signals on it. I certainly take a look at it. I don't know what's going on there, but it's certainly that video certainly does not look. Well. I don't think it bodes. Well for the New England Patriots based upon their past history. Hey, I think there's a great quote says pigs get fed Hogs get slaughtered and that is the that is the essential agreed my friend. Everybody has it. Let's stay with the Patriots that offense. They get a big win 37:10 over the the bungles yesterday, but a lot of people Saying the Patriots offense didn't have much to do with that Gilley lock Stephon Gilmore in the defense. You had to kill Harry showed up in my eyes. There was a couple throws Tom Brady made the made me think like okay, he's still got it thinking still go deep. They've been doing a lot of thinking dunk. They lack that explosive play does this team have what it takes to make another run at the playoffs or is the dynasty of all dynasties dead in the NFL? Yeah, I won't until there until they're buried. You know, we just have this propensity of this day this desire to throw, you know, too Roeder over the top of a body that's not a corpse yet. You know, they're just like let's just throw dirt on Tom Brady. He's gonna die. It's like the scene from what was it? It was Monty Python's Holy Grail bring out your dead, you know, bring out shook her head. I'm not this guy and we're trying to bury him alive. And I just won't I just am like they find a way to develop guys. They find a way to get their guys to play and game. Plan guys, and you know if Harry starts to play well couple that with the fact that Julian Edelman is still a force on the inside can be you know, all of a sudden that's all it takes for them when they get in a rhythm like that. That's all it takes for them to be really good. We know how good that defense is and like you mentioned they've just been outstanding Gilmore's just been incredible so I won't I won't bury them. I refuse to yeah me neither. I won't bury him strictly because I think the teams that I've been lucky to play on against the Patriots is like 215 to like 20 or something like that in favor of the Patriots. I'm not going to be like their dad their done barium. It's like well, let's see if they can figure it out whether they're filming people or not. I mean, I have no idea why they've been so good. I'm excited to see how the NFL handles that let's pivot here. The NFC East is on the line this weekend a pivotal playoff spot in the NFC, which is hard to get right now the NFC east by rule gets one. Dallas Cowboys looked unbeatable yesterday, but they've been so inconsistent as well as the Philadelphia Eagles who are riddled with injuries taking each other on who do you think wins the NFC East? Who do you think wins this game? I'm a you know, I have been saying that I bought the Philadelphia Eagles are going to get it together and figure it out, but they're back and they're secondary. They just I mean, they just cannot survive. I do think that Dallas is a more talented football team. I think they're a better football team. That that was an impressive Victory because you know, I think based upon their last couple of weeks and how he inept they have been to see them come out and do what they did to the Rams. I'm going to go with Dallas. I think they're I just think personnel-wise and health-wise and all that. They're just a better football team. I agree and I think it's I think Carson Wentz and shown really glimpses of greatness and why everybody loves them and Philadelphia, they love them there. He's made some incredible plays but for Me too too much coming into Philly with the Dallas Cowboys, especially with The Clapper not only being a Clapper in a Smiler on the sidelines but was able to strategize and get that team to win over. The Rams have been pretty good. Let's chat about the NFC real quick before we let you go. And I can't thank you enough for joining us. I love our conversations. You have such a good brain and a handsome face. I mean got to get that in every time I talk to you the NFC is going to run through who that Niners lost with that defense facing Matt Ryan and 70 yards up five give up a touchdown. Kind of a wake-up call for them. Even though they're hurt. How about the Green Bay Packers Aaron Rodgers in his press conference said we don't have a lot of respect from everybody in the league. I think that was a message to rest of his teammates. Okay, we got to get going Russell Wilson travels to Carolina gets a big win. The Saints are still the Saints. I mean who's gonna control the NFC who's going to get home field advantage? And how big of a deal is it? Yeah, how about it? I mean, it's just incredible coming down to the wire. I you know, I've been kind of on the Saints all year long. I think it's I think the Saints are end up going to end up getting that done. Done like it Seattle is just one of those teams, you know talking to Pete Carroll. He had talked to his team. He talked to his team and put together kind of a video of their 2013 season and and they had nine one score games that they found a way to win and he's like, you know guys, this is where you learn about yourself. This is the toughness kind of factor and how you learn how to win things and you know that's been very much this way for them. This year is just these These really tight close games. They found a way to get that done. They're going to be a tough out. The Niners have some injury issues as you know, but like they're all like it's kind of one of those Any Given Sunday deals man, but if I had to put money on it right now, I just think the Saints are going to be the one that ends up at the top based upon where they are in their last two games and they get home-field advantage throughout the playoffs and they started The bad beats they've taken the last year's. Come on. Don't start the football Gods smile on the Saints as a you deserve to go to a Super Bowl. Right? I mean, this is something like this Karma going on there at some point the football Gods show up. Now are they punishing the Saints for that garbage halftime onside kick that they ran against our team potentially. Maybe they'll be punished forever for that. But the Minneapolis Miracle followed by the Phantom pass interference. It wasn't called. I mean, it's some point Drew Brees and his heart desires to become backhoe. Down there. They look really good. Last question. How's that? Chili going? Are we still selling chili or what's going on over there? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah Chile. We got K so wrong long, you know, I mean I'm sliding into I'm sliding into Costco's cross, you know, smiling and and baking people eat my products that you know, I do a little bit about it or not again, how do I listen? Let me tell you something and and just in regards to the food Business, but I know been had I known then what I know now, I would invest in something else, right but what you know, but I'm still grinding baby still Guided by not only your granny. You got a good brain in you're a good dude. I can't thank you enough. Mr. Slash. Have a great holiday. Hopefully, we'll talk to you soon sir anytime and I've been I've been really enjoying as I'm prepping my games on Saturdays watching you on on the bit Saturday show. They're doing the college football stuff. Been fun to watch you. And that epic dive dude. I was afraid you're going to break your neck. I was like, so thankful. You came out of that. Okay, I'll give us like this dude is nuts. Hey shrimp if I died right there. They're pretty legendary stuff. Don't you think they probably make a statue of me. You know, I'm right. That's it. That would be a pretty decent way to go out dude, but the statute would be underneath the waters deep. So if you get my whole life sighs, I mean it would have been three feet of top of that 7-foot Pat. Hey, I appreciate She ate you ladies and gentlemen Mark Slayer. Thank you, Mark. Okay. So I Taylor join us today to times your bullshit marks are three times or Beauchamp. If Drew Brees is baby, aren't there. 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So Winter Wonderland back in Indianapolis as it was in Kansas City yesterday for that Chiefs game Who by the way the Kansas City Chiefs they can win in a It out they can win on Fast Turf and now we they prove that they can win in the middle of a blizzard that Chiefs team could be getting hot at the right time especially in this AFC. It's going to be difficult with all those weapons that they have in Andy Reid a beautiful mind coming fresh off that by week. They've been a very different team and yesterday with Tyrann Mathieu that defense getting good. I learned a lot about that Kansas City Chiefs team yesterday. Yeah. I mean if their defense keeps playing the way it has been no one's going to want to play them in the playoffs. Everyone obviously knows about their offense quick-strike mismatch. Patches everywhere but if their defense starts playing, you know consistently like it has these last couple weeks. They're going to be an incredibly tough out. I think I said this we said this in and we dive a little deeper into the things that matter that a lot of people struggle off is not matter sure when Tyrann Mathieu one after Ryan Clark on Twitter and he said keep that energy about talking about about the defense. I think Tyrann Mathieu knew that they had a good defense. I think Tyrann Mathieu the honey badger knew that they were going to come together and they've been doing so and since that bio, The offense is look refreshed or refreshed revitalized and everything like that. They lost a couple games early two teams that we didn't think they were going to lose Pat Mahomes gets hurt. Then that need patella pops out pops back in and gets that by week. They've looked like an entirely different team and this AFC now is very interesting because the Baltimore Ravens obviously the frontrunners obviously Obviously Buffalo Bills basically won a playoff spot last night in that win over the Pittsburgh Steelers at Heinz Field on Sunday Night Football. The college's rough night. That's our guy though me you're gonna fall through every once in a while the rookie quarterback. What do you want from the guy? Yeah. But I had a couple bad puns. Yeah, I was there. I mean it was just a rough I should have been there. I shouldn't want defense though defense need for thing. They unbelievable, but the bills basically have a playoff spot now and they just play the Patriots here in potentially really do some damage. But let's assume the Patriots get in have especially after what happened with The Bangles there the Kansas City Chiefs the Texans yesterday that game against the Titans to basically win. The AFC South was a damn good one. I watch that thing. It was a slugfest ER I mean they were throwing bombs at each other. Massive plays would happen then it turn over at the very last moment for scoring blocked field goal the whole thing. And then in the second half it became a little bit of a shootout that Texans team Rex Ryan said, he doesn't believe in the defense but the offense whenever they run the ball at El Guapo is his Twitter name he ran for a hundred and some yards yesterday whenever they run 45% of the time I guess the Texans are undefeated and whenever Fuller and DeAndre Hopkins are on the field DeShaun Watson is like number 1 or number 2 Cube yarn. The entire NFL so that team has weapons but they get blown out of nowhere and that falls on the coaching by the way, and I've said this before and I think I'll say it again Bill O'Brien potentially fired if they don't go on a big run here and I said that in production meeting and get up this morning. They said who's going to fire them. They don't have a GM and I was like, I gotta be causing their like they don't have an owner either that mean it's son says Bill O'Brien, lets punch Texas forever. Is that how it works? Like who? How's it work? I was mine, but I was like, I think he's gonna get fired. They're like by who they don't have like a border. Something who I guess has done is technically the owner but he's probably going to I don't know II would assume Bill O'Brien is going to have to win or he's gonna get fired. But I guess the front office right now isn't complete questionnaires. Nobody has a clue what's going to happen, but that seemed can make a little bit of a run in the playoffs or that can lose by 50 early which it could happen. But the Kansas City Chiefs team they seem to be peaking now at the right time last year D Ford was six inches away from the Kansas City Chiefs probably going on to win the Super Bowl if we look at how the Rams played in that Super Bowl. I think they're getting back in there which has been for us. They've kept the Chiefs in the top 10 and every Power a kerchief sir. Number 16. They just lost their third straight game which they shouldn't have lost. The Chiefs are now the 17 they just lost again and it's because they have so many weapons. They have a good coach or as a good mind. And now that the defense is coming together now that it Patrick Mahomes is back to being healthy that's in can be a real threat in the AFC. But the MC right now is Lamar Jackson show. We all know that but I'm excited to see it come together. Yeah. I mean if They're one of those few offenses who you know that they have a very very good chance to score on every possession. So they really only need to make like one or two opportunistic stops on defense. It's just very very tough playing against a team like that, especially when they're all clicking at the same time. By the way. Now the NFC the NFC is gonna be awesome to watch. I got a bolo tie on today in the big city because Cowboys won the the NFC East good for the Cowboys the Cowboys have learned how to play. The football get the Cowboys look like the team early whenever they were expectations were very high for the Cowboys going in this year every year. They're over height every year they are so because that's what Jerry Jones is, he's a promoter the Dallas Cowboys yesterday look like a complete football team Michael Lombardo came on the show on Friday. Instead I got the Cowboys over the Rams. I said, what are you talking like? Mr. Lombardi? I trust you because you have a good record all that stuff. But this is stupid. He's like no. No, I think we're in a good spot Jared Goff look awful. I mean, he looked absolutely gospel. I mean it was just bad that Rams team. I don't know what the hell they lost a couple offensive lineman, but that team there so it beat the Seahawks a week before then. He get molly-whopped by the Cowboys and if the Cowboys can continue playing like this, maybe they're peaking at the right. My mother maybe all those weeks of Jason Garrett looking in depth all those weeks of Jerry Jones every single word that he said being a held onto on whether or not he was going to fire everybody all those weeks of hell and all those weeks of clouds brought the sunshine. It may be that Sunshine is whenever you feed Zeke and when you get Zeke going and Paula are going and you've invested 400 million dollars in the offense of line and the running backs that opens everything up for deck Prescott who has a weapon whose life. Our Achilles not Tyree kill, maybe back in the day was a little bit closer Tavon Austin find some space Amari Cooper there and Jason Witten pulling rabbits out of his head that Cowboys defense is coming together old veteran Shawn Lee's making picks now. They're got in the way maybe the Dallas Cowboys are getting hot at the right time. I know they're going to enhance these are going to beat the Philadelphia Eagles. Carson Wentz. Very good football player. Okay, Carson Wentz is a very good football player. I think he's proven that I'm plenty of occasion. So I think he's Elite. Yeah, I don't know 13 injured players. That's a lot. They're riddled with injury. And Carson Wentz is brought them back from the dead a couple weeks in a row. They've played zero snaps with the lead the last two weeks and he won both games, right? They played 0 snaps with the lead in the last two weeks and they've won both games. So the Redskins gave them problems Redskins gave the Packard problems that what everybody thought the world was ending. It turns out the Redskins might be pretty good Dwayne Haskins look great. You might be a real player, but who will talk about whether or not Urban Meyer's going to be that guy? There and if you'll do well in the NFL, but the Eagles I just think too many injuries too little too late in at the Cowboys get up in Philadelphia. I know that fan base is a passion when I appreciate respect that. I mean, I loved Invincible. I love Vince Papale. I like coming coming out of the bar. I like the the garbage Kickin Kickin Kickin Philadelphia phenomena. I like him. I like everything about the Philadelphia fan base. I even like that ugly-ass hockey mask thought you guys got I respect it. A passionate group of fans, but at the Cowboys get up which has been the mo of the Eagles. They've been down early if the Cowboys get up and what is an NFC East championship game that fanbase will turn on the Eagles. It'll basically become a rock and I'm thinking the Cowboys in my bolo tie pull away with the nrc's home playoff game and who knows what's gonna happen? Very probably lose by 30 against every other NFC team because the rest of the MC is damn good but I congratulations to the Cowboys won in the NFC East doesn't that drive you insane? Saying if you're either a Jerry Jones or be a fan of the Cowboys, it's like yeah, we've been waiting for this all year and you finally put it together and week 15 like what happens, you know, I've been a part of some teams that were very good and some teams that were very bad in a never made sense to me. I never understood why everybody shows up one day and doesn't is it strategy? Is it scheme? Is it motivation? It was a highlight film he put together. Yeah. Well that happens every week. Like if you win you get a highlight film the night before that's just kind of something like Bruce Arians used to say hey next week. I want speakers and I want to highlight video. Let's go that means you won so when you win you get that right and it's nice to get a little refresher on how good you are how dominant you are and things like that and I think by the way great coaching invitation Garrett's motivational video is what turned them around. Will they be able to maintain it? I think they will for at least another week. I think they get a win in Philadelphia. I think they win the NFC east and then when they host a home game and Jerry world, I think they potentially lose by no less than 28 But for the week, I am a die-hard Cowboys fan. Let's go Cowboys. Good luck to you. Yeah, I mean we've said this Dak Prescott is good, but good, but they rely like they are built to run the football. They spent all that money on the line. They have spent all that money on Zeke like they're not built to throw it 55 times a game and more often than not this year. They get into like a funky they either get down early a little bit and then they are forced to throw it that many times a game when back throws it 23 to 25 times. They're very Be tough to beat and obviously you got two guys that rush for over a hundred yards, but they need to get back to that. Like that's how they're built. That's how they win. By the way. I'm happy to Cowboys are good. We're forced to watch it. Exactly. I just don't think the Eagles have any chance. I mean what Carson Wentz has been doing has been magical Heathrow. He throw a couple ropes yesterday that I was very impressed by cutting back at got a good wind good for the Eagles good for their fans, but boy the NFC least his Dallas Cowboys this year from the San Francisco 49ers drop from 1 to 5 in the NFC very quickly after a loss yesterday against Matt Ryan and the Atlanta Falcons in that defense giving up that touch on the end of the game. Yes to very big emotional. Games with the Ravens and then the Saints big wind down the Superdome. We talked to George Kettle George kittel continues to prove. He's the best player in football aside from Lamar Jackson gets the ball every single play pancakes A Guy In The End Zone. Wow, laughing has a hundred and some yards Jimmy G. He's playing well, but that defense not being able to stop Matt Ryan with the game on the line is an interesting thing to me. Is that a tell for that sign of things to come? I'm not a hundred percent sure of that, but you would have if you would have told me in week seven week eight weeks nine that mattress. In the Atlanta Falcons would be on their own 30 with one timeout 1 minute 43 left down five against the San Francisco 49ers. What are the chances of them driving down the field in winning it I would have said none because Matt Ryan can throw the ball more than 15 yards down the field. It's sack three times at least instead though. The Atlanta Falcons get a win over the Niners in Santa Clara and it's like hey, I understand the emotional drop that could happen because of the two big games having to travel across the country. I mean it Massive emotional roller coasters they've been on with the Ravens in the Saints but hey, it's almost playoff time. Like that's a situation where you need your your defense to step up. That's been a historically good defense. Let's assume they get back to form. Let's hope they get back to form of your Niners fan, but that has to be something that made me raise my eyebrows. Will Bingo wait what whoa, whoa, wait a minute here. No Sherman in the backend three people hurt. So let's assume they get them healthy, they'll be back. But that was a scary. That was a scary time for me as a guy who had just recently become a big-time Niners fan when I had a lot of questions. Literally, I mean it came out of nowhere. He can't fault me again. I live in the east coast always have so I don't really know much about that came out of nowhere didn't play anybody then they started stacking up wins that win last week against New Orleans was awesome. They didn't offense of the ball. They've gone up 10 touchdowns down two weeks. That's not the same Niners defense we've seen and now is not the time to not have a hot defense. It's actually the perfect time how about defense and they seem like they don't have that. Yeah. I mean, it's magnified even more by the fact that like, they still have quite a bit to play for like, I'm not like you can take I mean, there's any NFC there's you cannot exactly there's a huge difference between everyone having to go through San Francisco at home to go to the Super Bowl and then being the fifth seed and being on the road every single game against Seattle and it's a whole different ball game. I mean New Orleans still has a shot Green Bay Packers could still haven't right into it. I didn't home field advantage is a real thing. I mean, that's why they say Advantage at the end speaking of home field advantage last night a team was not available to didn't take advantage of it and I was Pittsburgh Steelers where they're calling it. I'll die hard fan of the Pittsburgh Steelers man where I watch his soul leave his body with his father last night in the sweet digs. What the hell happened last night turned guy ducking is this my fault boys. How are we as Ito has your at handle on Twitter at Tony digs? That's not your name, but I appreciate everything you're doing here on the screen. What did you at? What is your big takeaway last night from the Steelers and should the world appreciate and respect the Buffalo Bills more because they were able to stop an undefeated quarterback last night like something I've never seen before. All right. Right honest moment here big takeaway from last night. I don't think either of those teams that played on the field last night have a good enough offense to win in the playoffs. They both have great defense is great the offenses but near side of the ball has a good enough offense to win in the playoffs. I says to me 1310 game. It was 1710. I the wrong team wrong side. You can't fears have the worst offense. Cory are in the entire league they because five running backs. They just five running backs they ran. Vol 15 times as we've said on the show before if the bills defense has any weakness, it's stopping the run those numbers three past events in the in the league and we're trying 40 times a duck. Are we doing here? I mean doc was set up for failure. I don't know if it's because we're in the house and they want to calm us down, but he was set up for failure and then you got idiots on Twitter. Like I told you called you Mason boy. Oh boy. And then the Bills fans, they don't they don't know success at all. They come to 12 losing Seasons 15 losing Seasons. Don't come at me with your organization. How are you digging? Sounds like you're doing great over there. You said you were good at the beginning conversation really started firing up. It was interesting because James Conner started to roll there for a little bit and then we didn't see him again. Then he disappeared. That didn't make much sense to me. Who do you think they'll let's pivot away from that game. Although it was great in the AFC right now Patriots get a When over the Bangles but everybody's like well it wasn't because of the offense is because the defense they continue to win because of his defense and special teams whose road is it that everybody's going to have to travel on to win this AFC you think I plotted the Patriots early because it was like 10:10 for a lot of that's the first half of that game. I was like, oh, you know what? They're smart. They're like making things look good said it Justified them filming them a great still think I still don't think the Patriots as far as offense concerned is good enough. I think it goes through Kansas City and Baltimore and like you said last last year 5 what 5 inches away from the Chiefs? Probably win the Super Bowl. Yep, that defense is incredible or not a credible, but it's getting better. The offense is incredible. Hey, that was digs Tyrann Mathieu. If you're listening that was tone digs on Twitter. He's in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Currently. He'll be driving across 70 here in the next hour or so. If you want to take somebody out at Sea Italian guy that just bashed that Chiefs defense, but as much as it pains me. The Baltimore Ravens are good all three phases. I think Baltimore's easily the best team in the AFC. Tygra. All right, tones safe travels. Sorry doc couldn't get the win with us in the house last night. But we live to see brighter days my friend. It happens. I love you guys. Hey love to press it drive safe. There's a storm out there. We might not be able to get out of New York by the way, right? Hey, happy Winter Wonderland everybody in the middle of America that just experienced a snow globe dumping all over their federally out of nowhere out of nowhere. I mean, I can't see Chiefs won't happen. Out of nowhere big Indianapolis just as soon as we took flight about 30 minutes after we left half a foot of snow on the ground good for a good for whatever God's just dumping all over. I know I like snow but Early Morning Rain, so do I want to know God more in a ring guy? Let's talk about what snow does to kicking because the Denver Broncos punter kind of dropped the snap and then Colquitt struggled with step as well. And I think the issue is everybody talks about the quarterback and wide receivers having to deal with the ball in running back. I agree punters. Is have to catch a ball every single time you go on the field and if you're not on the sidelines like getting your work in and you can't wear gloves because it's wet. So sometimes gloves and wet are basically like oil and water. Is that right? Yeah. Sure. Yeah. Well in water you must sign Titian bro sometimes gloves so you can't wear gloves. You have to kind of go barehand it and you want to kind of keep her hands warmer than long as you don't get as much work on the sideline, which is what you see happen. And if you don't have any moisture on your hands, you don't lick or something like I used to be obsessive with licking my fingers. Most disgusting like it got to a point where I'd watch the game back and I'm like bro. You just licked your hands 13 times before the snap even got back there, but it's because you have to handle the ball with just the fingertips and little delicate the Denver guy drops the ball bounces off the ground picks it back up punts. It gets a penalty. He could have screwed it for a first down decided not to wanted to let the Kansas City Chiefs live a little bit longer, but for me the weather whatever the weather gets involved, that's why I'm intrigued by the Kansas City Chiefs because the ability to win in that weather last night against it. Yesterday against a team. That was pretty good. They're hot the Broncos are pretty hot. Now. We can mock them all we want but they were a hot team going into that game the ability to win with that weather and still throw the ball all over the yard. Tyree kill was still able to plant his feet and get good grip and LeSean McCoy runs into snow. I think maybe better than any running back in the history of the NFL and it's know they showed highlights him against the Colts last year. I think he loves it. He's a PA guy. He's used to the cold. But the ability to win in that blizzard to me was very eye-opening for the Kansas City Chiefs. That Titans Texans game early was an absolute slugfest things were going a little bit early big plays explosive plays at AJ Brown guy for the Tennessee Titans is a weapon Tannehill has been a hell of a player that turnover on pick on the goal line that merciless took back. The other way was real pivotal point of that game. 24:21 Titans have a blocked field goal to which would have tied it up would have been a whole different game variable is not happy with those ref chase them off the field. This is two times down two weeks where coaches have chased the wraps off the field. It's not Normal, so not only do you hate the refs. Not only do we hate the refs not only is the NFL saying yeah, we're gonna have a top-down review of these reps. As soon as the season ends coaches who are fine for being little bit demonstrative it with everybody's fed up with the refs. Not only the coin toss thing with jackets like yeah. Did he say we want to kick it? He also said defer to the second half in that same sentence won't Anderson decide to make it about himself. It's like come on. This is a non-issue like why the NFL got it right there. By the way, the NFL calls down and says it won't shut up. That's what the end. Said which I appreciate then in Chicago bears-packers game Cordarrelle Patterson has a perfect hit on a returner and there's a phantom fair catch. They say that kind of changes the entire game as well as Zito wouldn't even talk for 15 20 minutes because he was so mad at the rest is so mad so mad. I'm so mad. I'm Freeman I facetimed I need something from him. He didn't answer he calls you back like 15 minutes later shirts off. He's sweating. I'm like, what the hell are you doing? He's like these reps Pat. I can't even do it anymore. So everybody's mad with the refs. I mean, it's just the way it goes and there's literally no nothing we can do about it. The only people that can fix this are the people in charge of things which is by the way sturge and sell out Alberto River on he got no hope with him. We just got to hope that a new person gets in charge and also a pipeline needs to happen a pipeline needs to be developed. So we get some people that are worth a single damn and officiating there's a couple good refs left. But all the good rest go to TV because the Reps in the NFL don't get paid full-time jobs. They don't get taken care of. It's not really a job if anybody would want unless you come out of the Hockley, baby. Baker right. That's literally there's no pipeline to get good people in there and it's evident and it's going to be a big deal. It's going to be a massive doing a playoffs just like it was last year with the pass interference for the the Saints. It's going to be a big deal yet again because it's only gotten worse somehow and I'm with the Eric. I hate it and I like the brave will was like, hey pal you didn't want to review that like they could have reviewed that it's under two minutes give them another second. I would they have on their own 20 or whatever with one second left annexation of Puerto Rico like the Bears almost it against the Packers possibly, but I think variables Want a shot at last week Brian Flores almost decapitated a referee as he gets a phantom call down to overturn a pass interference. I mean, it's been an absolute cluster blank Custer and I almost said the it show. I mean, it's just been a nightmare for a billion dollar company. They got to figure it out and I think they're realizing I figured out early in the year. They were acting as if everything was going well, it's going according to plan. We've looked at the numbers and then as the season has gone on there like all these guys stink. They're gonna have to turn around. Oh what a day. It's been can't thank you guys enough for listening to this show. I have some large things kind of cooking for this podcast that I hope everybody will enjoy just want to take it to bigger and better places to provide, you know, the best content for the people that decide to fuck with us on a weekly basis. They're very lucky for you. We got some big-ass things cooking. I think now one very big ass thing. I'm not a hunter. Percent sure it's going to come through it sounds ridiculous, but it might be the conversation of the Year going to fucking Oscar for is what's an oscar. But Oscars when what is Oscar for Oscar is a prize and I think that's what will win I think will win a prize for this one thing if we can get it booked started really focus on the booking this thing and really get it going and I appreciate you guys for bearing with us here through this football season. It's been a lot of super Football Talk, which I love will continue to do that. Into the offseason passable season everything like that will talk about the notable stuff. 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Today's show is anchored by two incredible interviews. First, 2x Super Bowl Champion and friend of the show, Ike Taylor calls in. Ike and Pat chat about the Steelers/Bills tilt on Sunday Night Football and whether or not this Bills team has the pieces to make a deep run into the playoffs. They also cover Ike's thoughts on Spygate 2.0 and while it might not mean much, the Patriots are the only team that ever gets caught doing things like this. Ike also gives a few thoughts on the coaching carousel and whether or not he thinks Urban Meyer would be successful if he were to get the Cowboys Head Coaching job, if the 49ers recent defensive struggles is a cause for concern or is just something that happens during a long NFL season, and Ike gives his thoughts about guys getting into snowball fights during pregame (3:13-20:42). Next, 2x Pro Bowler, 3x Super Bowl Champion, chili connoisseur and friend of the show, Mark Schlereth stops by. They discuss if it is time to finally close the book on this Patriots dynasty, how big of a fan Stink is of the Ravens brand of smash mouth, old school football, and why it works so well. Mark also gives his thoughts on the success of the Watt family, and who he thinks the best teams are in the AFC and NFC after another crazy weekend in the NFL (25:23-42:01). Pat and the boys also break down everything else that happened in week 15 of the NFL including why he thinks the Cowboys will clinch the NFC East next week against the Eagles, why he is a little bit concerned about the 49ers recent defensive performance, Pat has more issues with the Al Riveron Gang after Mike Vrabel almost came to blows with a ref at the end of the Titans/Texans tilt, explains why he thinks the Chiefs are heating up at just the right time and might be poised to make a Super Bowl run, and Digs calls in to give his take on the Bills and Steelers after watching the Sunday Night game in person at Heinz Field. It's another great overreaction Monday. Come and laugh with us. Cheers.

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A lot of opinions a lot of loyalties allegiances the different things making decisions in there. And yes, we're nowhere near the college football playoff. There's still a lot of football to Played a lot of teams have to battle against each other. So this is all just fodder for conversation for people like us who stand in box trucks and talking to microphones, but I have questions on how one week to the next something can just completely switch in the brains of these old whites making this decision last week top six. Was Ohio state at one. LSU a to Alabama 3 Penn State for then Clemson and Georgia to Big Ten teams in the top four one of them being the number one team in the country, Ohio State. So then we go to this week fast forward one week number one LSU case Ohio State wins by 95 points against a team and they drop which makes sense. By the way, because that LSU team goes into Tuscaloosa goes into Alabama and puts on a show and gets a win in a place that nobody thinks about but Joe burrow put on a show. Joe Barbaro takes the lead in the Heisman conversation Ohio State losers Chase young doesn't seem like it matters by the way, but they win by 90 and drop a spot LSU gets a win close game against Alabama moves up a spot. All right, does it really matter? If you want or to be the biggest win you can get in the regular conference play agreed. But then you're saying Ohio state had no chance are remaining at one then after last week. No, right there is no there is no chance of Ohio State Romania won. They won as impressively as they could have and If Alabama wins Alabama's and then Ohio steep drops of to right so I'll hire state had zero chance of remaining at number 1 for two weeks in a row. That's just that's just going into that committees meeting. They're like listen, here's the deal, Ohio State's got no shot at being one next week. All right, so maybe there's no foresight. They're just judging completely on what's Happening Now. So how states do number three is Clemson? Okay, everybody knew the Clemson was going to move into the top four. They were put at 5:00 last week. Everybody's like how stupid is that? They had asked given conversation about how good Clemson is because all the conversation has been is that Clemson hasn't shown up. It hasn't been able to do this. They put them at five. They actually do a little PR tour for clumps and everybody's like what are you talking about? Put it up for as opposed to be like well, they haven't played is good. Now. It's like what are you talking about? How are they number five? They're the Champions Trevor Lawrence. Still going to be an NFL number one quarterback. Keep them in your they're undefeated. What do you expect from? These people Clemson is the three number four is Georgia. Okay, Georgia lost to South Carolina had a close one against Kentucky now their number for strictly because they're in the SEC that is a hundred percent. The reason why there are a number four right there last week. They were at number six this week there number four. So they're in the college football playoff. Looking right outside looking in. Alabama number 5 so I listen to get up. Ryan Clark Maria Taylor, a lot of people were talking about it. We're Alabama just has to sit back and watch now they don't control their own destiny. They do the culture of the place to many literally put them in a position where all any of them have to do is just slip up just a little bit and maybe they don't even like if Ohio State doesn't win by 90 they're going to get bumped out there in Alabama is going to get moved in there. Let's not act as this this isn't a subjective operation now granted saving and up have won a national championship when they weren't in the top four and they didn't win their conference Championship and to go in there and do what they have to do. But every game counts they say, okay, you just lost LSU. Is that Ohio State's problem, but how about Minnesota Minnesota is it? Been in the top six. That's the most egregious thing. Are you excited? Is it seven Utah is it 7:00 Utah? Is it 7:00? They lost the USC USC fire draft product director. You will see is a dumpster fire right now. USC used to be awesome. I agree you are so he probably has a lot of money I agree, but you told lost to them, Utah. Minnesota's a date How does it go first who beat a top four teams in the college football playoff game in his eyes just last week just last week. They're like, well Penn State there are number four team. They're the best top 40 minutes country that Minnesota is okay. Is that right? Is that right? Well, they're going to walk into our house right here and make a 70-degree weather and we are going to absolutely put them right in the mouth. That's a Minnesota does. They're like, well, this is the biggest jump that any team that wasn't out in the top ten. College football playoff committee makes and since they jumped up two numbers 8, so that's just a bunch of it's a bunch of malarkey. It is don't tell me that you respect your own opinions because you obviously don't last weekend Penn State ID number for Minnesota beats them flat up just beats them now their number eight with no chance of getting in if they beat Ohio State. What do you think happens? They move Ohio State Minnesota out you move Alabama up you have Georgia, Alabama Clemson and LSU. Yeah 3 3 SEC teams for sure. Sure. So then the Big Ten doesn't matter the Big 12 doesn't matter because Baylor's undefeated. They're not even in the top 10 Idol think not only 13th. So nothing matters except for the SEC the hell is going on here. What is the purpose of these guys playing will you put them on a neutral field? How do you think Alabama in Minnesota fair? I'm like, you know what? I think that neck Tha mentality of Minnesota. I think if it's above what if it's below 40 degrees, I think Minnesota might win by 60 To be honest well, and unfortunately, we'll never find out because these horses asses, you know, they won't put them together so that they can play on a neutral site. It's just it's all such a joke. And then it goes Penn State's 9 Oklahoma's 10 Florida's 11 Auburn 12, Baylor 13, Miss, Wisconsin and Michigan. It's like come on dude. What are we even doing? Well even just say what it is just say what it is those who have the most money those who can travel the best in the in the old white size in the committee's mean that's only thing that matters As you know, it'd be a lot easier to stomach then if they just set it like this set. It just say it just said it. We're not ranking teams here. No, no, what we're ranking is the financial benefit of what team could potentially be in the top four that we can sneak in there and people would be like, yeah that makes sense. Minnesota has done nothing wrong. All they do is win win win, no matter what they have a top for strike the record strength of record. So does Baylor by the way? It's LSU. I forget who then it's Baylor and Minnesota top for strength of record. So they say well you don't play anybody. It's like yeah, they do. They actually have the top for strength of record. Well teams they're going to lose to someone you have teams already lost in you already got him in there South Carolina terrible at football, Georgia lost South Carolina, Georgia almost loses Kentucky Kentucky lost the University of Evansville Basketball last night. I mean, come on guys. I'm sick of it. I just think it is. This is just one more piece of the puzzle work. Like come on, what do we do? They have to go to the five Conference champions in the three at-large bids just so that this conversation on that but what's the purpose of being in a big 12? What's the purpose of being in the Big Ten? What's the purpose of being in the Pac-12? What's the purpose of even being in the ACC soon as Clemson's done on the run your what is the purpose if you're just an SEC Championship just haven't been SEC Championship. I will fight until my dying day to make sure that there's a little bit more respect for the teams across the country and not just in the Southeastern Conference. Prince well, it'll be interesting to see what they do because for whatever reason I was still in that the ranking of like the top 25 for this Minnesota goes on the road and beats them another ranked team and then like, you know, what's what's the excuse It's like you have two of the most impressive back-to-back wins of anyone out there and if they're not in the top four then it's pretty clear. If you're not going undefeated winning the Big Ten gonna play Wisconsin to with the end of yeah, exactly. Well, I don't have to play Ohio State right? I mean if they got a murderer's row coming up that thing I've already had those. Yeah, they've had the top four in strength of record and they're not in their Baylor has it stopped for strength of record and they're not in regret and they got Oklahoma this weekend. So we're going to learn very quickly Kansas State beats, Oklahoma in a wild game obviously in Manhattan, Kansas. Baylor's looking to do the same thing banner and Waco stick them bears. But at Baylor gets the win here. Does that mean anything? What does it not matter do none of these games? Matt matter? Just Minnesota Penn State not even matter last week. Like what's the purpose college football playoff committee is contradicting itself one week after it already said something Penn State is number 14 in the country. They just lost a Minnesota who's already undefeated. They have a top for strength of record. Yeah, but where we write though. I let's just get them out of there. Just get them both out of there. Come on. I mean, I'm sick of it one with Baylor. If they're in this position. Is there even anything they can do. I mean the Oklahoma game will be the most impressive win. They have left like that's maybe in the committee's eyes. That's more impressive. Big 12 Championship, like if they're that far down, I don't know if they have enough time to really do anything to make it into the playoff. So they're below Florida Auburn Penn State, Oklahoma, Utah the Utah thing. I mean, I it's good for the Pac-12. I guess Utah's dinner. Yeah, but what I mean, I guess I haven't seen him play. I just I should stop judging this up judging this but every stat I looked at on the strength of record and things like that. They're nowhere to be found, but they're ranked above. Sota and by the way, when you watch that Minnesota game a lot of people might hurt us chit-chatting about the next town mentality in the farmers Alliance and the elite PJ Flack and row the boat blah blah blah might like them on there when you watch it. They have dudes like good. They have dudes like they are a good football team. They have wide receivers are like 6 3 240 it seems like that are running faster than people Tanner Morgan quarterback can make the plays in a defense is Stout three picture something against the fence naked. I mean that Minnesota team has dudes like it's not just like a feel Good story coming out of a freezing cold State like they are a team that has dudes and Baylor. They haven't lost this season. They started this run back in Texas Shootout against Kliff Kingsbury and Texas Tech last year down in Jerry World haven't lost since it's an insane world right now is called football thing to to to subjective of an operation with too much money on the line and you got dreams and hopes and aspirations of these student human athletes are just getting taken away from them by a committee in a room that is only worried about dollar signs criminal criminal. There's other things happening in the world and it's time for a segment that is sweeping the globe notable news with Nick what we got last night CM Punk am a Is returned to WWE television appearing on WWE backstage for those that don't know about this or don't know about the wrestling world CM Punk returning to WWE television is massive. This is huge. There's been some tumultuous stuff that has happened over the last five years between CM Punk in the WWE CM Punk. You might know him from the guy that got his ass kicked in an MMA fight. He was not that in the WWE. He was a champion. He was a stud. He was well below loved he and some issues with Executives got in the way of something that could have been very beautiful. He walked out. He left cold turkey just walked out chance of his name rang through arenas for the next three to four years CM Punk anytime something boring happened in WWE CM Punk chance would start. He knew it he heard it WWE heard it as well. They continue to forge along then last night on WWE backstage hosted by Renee Young Booker T page Samoa Joe Mick Foley. And that other guy. There was one other guy there. Oh, yeah. I'm cool baby. Cool baby. This is you know, what side do you want? So he showed up at the very end of it Renee Young? I think surprised everybody on stage. He walks out and says just when they think they have it figured all out. Come and change the culture. It's very interesting. I don't know if he's working for Fox or for WWE. This is going to be something that will ignite a Quite A Conversation Piece. If you're not a WWE person if you get into a conversation with somebody about a WWE say hey CM Punk's back, huh? And that'll just boom that'll blow a conversation right out the door. You look like a smart person good for the WWE and fox for making this happen good for CM Punk getting back out there. I think it was very talented. That is a very interesting point you make is he back with the WWE or is he just doing television with Fox by the way if far? Fox is just hiring people in his new deal with the WWE excited to see damn it visit man. Is that going to piss the WWE fans off more if he's back just to do TV. I don't know. I think I assume with the WWE. Everything will figure itself out good for CM Punk being back good for the fans. I mean, I'm not an executive. I don't give a damn. I'm excited to see what he does out there. Memphis trouble in Memphis there pushing back against the NCAA with a restraining order against violations that possible coach Penny Hardaway may be violated some rules as a booster before he was the head coach. Yeah. This is what that Wiseman cat who's things number one recruit or whatever big reason why the Memphis basketball team had the number one recruiting class in the country is because of this Wiseman character not character. Whoo. Whoo Iseman kid who's very good at basketball the whole filing a restraining order against the NCAA is a beautiful thing. Every college student should do it. Hey, stop tracking me get off my ass. You're like an ex-girlfriend. You're always in the way. I get a handshake at a bar. You guys are on my ass. I get a free t-shirt. You guys are on my ass. I get a hug from a guy who's got a lot of money you guys are on my ass. So the Memphis team filing a restraining order to delay this entire thing a year to get this kid to play and then he's going to be gone. Anyways, I mean, it's going to hurt the Memphis Tiger basketball team in the future, but if you can win right now you can deal with that all I guess the NCAA does not forget by the way that girlfriend that you file a restraining order that ex-boyfriend you were filed a restraining order against when that restraining order is up there still pissed and that's what's going to happen with this NCAA thing if they feel like they've been disrespected by the Memphis Tiger basketball team or the Memphis Tigers at all. They're going to get hey the NCAA might get got for a little bit here. They're going to get there as though and Memphis Tigers basketball team knows that they got to win this year because I feel like whenever this will straining order gets backed off and trial and whatever happens afterwards the investigation. They're going to bring the hammer down on Memphis. See anything and once again, this is all coming from a standpoint that I don't like the way the NCAA operates. I don't like the fact that Penny Hardaway couldn't help this kid and his family out to get him into a good school in a good situation to end up in a division 1 school, which is a much different situation than his life probably would have won on if you didn't do that. I don't like the fact that the NCAA doesn't allow kids from very tough neighborhoods very tough economic backgrounds to benefit at all off of themselves when everybody else seems to be benefiting. I don't like any of this. We're just telling you how it it is with the NCAA the NCAA plays no games everything most gangster gangsters out there. They don't give a single damn. They have their hands in the cookie jar. They know it. Everybody else knows it and they don't give a damn about it if anybody wants to come in there and get that cookie, good luck and they gotta eat. They got a team of lawyers ready to just take down your entire University. Apparently the issue stems to from like, you know, the the high school he was at when he brought the kid over like it's not from that. It's because of but a long time ago, he donated a million dollars to Is athletic Hall of Fame so he's considered a booster even though that was way before he was the head coach or they knew he was going to be the head coach or stupid the NCAA Greenie asked this question on get up and I thought it was a very good question. He said NCAA when you lay your head down at night. What do you feel like you've accomplished? Like what this Chase young situation the best player in football. People are saying he flew his girlfriend out there as well. So he's saying no Granite, they'll investigate probably be something a little bit more than that. Who knows? I mean Chase young there's no reason for chasing the lie to us. I've never talked to him. He has never lied to me before we should take it. For his word, but let's even say it's a little bit more than it and I've always asked this question throughout the years. It's like what do the people who say but you shouldn't get anything. They already get a scholarship. Like what do you do? What do you how do you sleep like, what does that make you feel? Like? How does that make you feel like you won like NCAA? Like how does that make you feel good that you're suspending a guy a couple games in a season that is going to set him up for the rest of his life. Like what does that make you? How does that make you feel good about yourself? Like, how are you not granted. There's defense attorneys for like the most Terrible human beings on Earth. There's people that have zero spines or people have zero Consciousness and everything like that. 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Second round draft pick of the Minnesota Vikings will ask him who lizzo was dating on the team and also about his Immaculate start to the 2019 NFL season thus far running back for the Minnesota Vikings. Thousand Court appreciate how are you? Make do you know Liz I was dating in your locker room not taught us that everybody business. I could respect that a lot. We appreciate you joining us here before your team meeting you have started off this season in a manner that is just been so destructive to defense has what has been the change going into this year that has made you set such a weapon like me granted we saw glimpses in the past, but now it just feels like week in week out. You're dominating everybody what has been the change just saying a group of guys just buying in and it dates back to OTAs and the minicamp and know we bought in Coach Kubiak because Rico and all those guys to get this thing going and we bought it in from day one and you see the outcome of it. No each week that offensive line Dan orlovsky dissing did this entire break down on get up about the amount of bodies that they get on the ground that kind of makes You like expert you through the first level. What is that offensive line doing to help out in all aspects of the Vikings? That's the moving crew moving. They're moving gods and getting us up to second level. I getting a set of linebackers and give them a chance to make plays and know what the me Alex Amir. All those guys will come in. You still seeing the same running Lanes no matter who's in the back field holding the ball. So they've been doing a great job cows been Callaghan blocking my death or Smith's no. Conklin all those guys been blocking and give us a chance to make some big plays your offense you were doing incredible early you've been doing great this entire season, then there was that situation and that's only probably not describing an accurate feeling comes out then the Kirk Cousins show than Stefon Diggs misses a practice then after that it seems like this Vikings offense has been Unstoppable now granted you guys had a slip-up a week ago, but it's been Unstoppable what happened that week. Kind of brought everybody back together back centered back focused on the mission at hand. Nothing really, you know after all the where everything was one on you seen guys just came back to work then. No, you're the seen us that we can practice was flying around wanting to get better something to coaching and just just trying to figure out you know, what can we what can we get that and how can we get better in certain situations? And I think note that week right there practicing know kind of just I know told the character of our team was that players only meeting anything like that or did you guys just kind of get it together in a locker room now we did it was just a locker room talk snow, you know unlock on high so, you know, you have the talks and guys just reaching out and said which we just got to dig deep and know who he is and and know the work we put in and I think guys understand what's going on. Okay, that's awesome. You're leading the NFL in rushing right now. I think by five yards over Christian McCaffrey Christian McCaffrey. His name has been mentioned on everybody's MVP list. You're not getting talked about All vary by those in those circles. Does that matter to you? Do you even care about that Mom? I just want to I just like winning and I see there's his earliest part of me in the ultimate goal is to hold that Trophy up at the end of the day. No, I think no you keep going out there and keep performing it and keep putting on teams in position to win football games, but everything happened speaking of winning football games. Hey, I hope you're all right there. That's The water anything. I got your Devon. I got your back the um speaking of winning games Kirk Cousins. It was talked about by everybody Prime Time games Primetime Kirk Cousins doesn't show up. Then you guys on the grandest stage of them all Jerry World on Sunday Night Football get a massive team Victory All Phases were cooked clicking there for Kirk Cousins. They describe Kirk Cousins as a human and as your quarterback, No, unbelievable ought to feel no one wants you want to know that the little things you go as Kurt smart player, but he's a veteran in the league and know once he's dialed days doubted you seeing that Sunday night. That's my quarterback man. Do you take it upon yourself? A lot of responsibility and Run game that if you have a good run game that normally that helps out the quarterback and helps out everybody else on the in team immensely Yakima. I kind of understanding of stand the head of the stick shift. Mama said no keeping us ahead of the stig's in no giving us opportunities to get first downs and keep this thing going because he got guys that occur that can make plays and know that can do a lot of special things. But in the running game is about keeping us ahead of the sticks and giving us a chance to convert on third Downs how Hands-On is Gary Kubiak over there? Very Hands-On. He's a man when he when he talks you wants to hear what he got to say and he's a man of few words. So once you do talk to you want to know what's going on? Okay. Well, hey, I want to let you know I'll go dick. Hey, do you have any thoughts on Dion one in the head coaching job at FSU? Oh, there we go. I'm comparing the form to hey what now FSU back in the day? We all remember used to be I mean, it was everything that's you whenever the Seminoles are auntie. We knew that the chant was going. Happened. We knew that it was going to be an exciting atmosphere. That's kind of falling off. Do you think it's going to take Deion to get Fs you back into that world? I think it's going to take the guy that notice additional the coach of Florida State. I think that's why Jimbo was such a good fit for what Florida State no had going on cuz he kind of you know knew what the tradition was and knew the culture of how to get things done at Florida State and I think know Dianna understand this next artist not understand the same thing. So do you I got to get to God. I just know the culture of Florida State and that's going to get the talent their cotton. That's what we lack in that we got to get the talent level backup at Florida State man. It would be awesome if Florida state was good. I remember watching you in college. So mesmerized by the things that you could do with a football in the NFL you've been able to do the same damn and as I feel pretty good pastor feel very good. I'm being serious when I say then I appreciate it. Hey, no problem, and I talked to Frank Gore and he said whenever he At the wheel he was watching all the old heads that came out of the you go dominate me and I fell and he was like man. I just can't wait to get there to do my thing. Did you have that same mindset when you're a Florida State? Like cook couldn't wait to show off Frank's my God to actually know Frank's a lot of ice just for the little things because first been doing it for so long, but well being for Miami seeing guys come out come out of Miami and how to have the blueprint to do it. No, that's all you need to see if somebody get it done and I sing Frank Devon say all those guys come out and they'll be successful and I fell but just just matching the hard work with salad and that's what I try to do on a daily basis. Well, it's working out man. Keep going you're exciting to watch and can't thank you enough for taking time today. Ladies and gentlemen, All-Pro all-time leading rusher Florida State should be in the MVP conversation running back for the Minnesota Viking Minnesota fight against Alvin, but thanks man. I appreciate it. The guy great guy who's got like literally has a meeting in four minutes joining us now via FaceTime from the city of angels Los Angeles guy who's been an All-Pro. He's been a national champion a stalwart on the offensive line for the Los Angeles Rams. Ladies and gentlemen, Andrew Witwer It's like that appreciate that hey, how are you doing man? We're coming to you live from a box truck and Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. It's freezing cold House Los Angeles. It looks amazing in there. You know what it's beautiful. It's nice and sunny. Unfortunately, there's no rain and any Terror in the forecast, but you know what when ice and dry out here, well nice and dry. I think you have to be feeling good. Your LSU Tigers are now sitting atop the college football mountain with the new rankings. How do you feel about that offense Joe burrow and It's happening with kocho in the Tigers man. It's a lot of fun to watch. I tell you what it's exciting to watch those guys just the passion and energy at Coachella brings. And I mean, what a great story a guy from Southern Louisiana the head football coach of the LSU Tigers. It's I think it's got to be fun for anyone that just enjoy sports enjoyed football. Just the passion that guy brings. I love it broke down the team in the middle of the field. The players went over in front of the recruits told him. Hey, you want to win come down LSU and then obviously the live streaming the locker room afterwards swag. He's coming all the way back to the Louisiana state. There's no doubt about that. It's he had some you know, really powerful words there and I think it resonates with guys want to play ball and want to win I agree. Okay. Now I have to talk to you about the Los Angeles Rams, obviously your face of that team last year. So damn good took the World by storm brand new offense. Sean McVeigh was a whiz kid, there is videos of him on the internet reciting plays from ten years beforehand the LA Rams had this Team, that was a steamrolling everybody all the way to the Super Bowl which is not easy to do you lose the dynasty ultimately and then this year there's been some real stumbles. A lot of people have pointed to the fact that the offensive line has changed is that the biggest difference you think between last year's success on the offensive side of the ball for the Rams in this year's lack of success. It seems at times. Yeah. I think if you say just offensive ly you look at the team, obviously you change, you know, not necessarily just the change though. Yeah, you got young players playing in there, but you also lost Stu really vital and great football players mean John Sullivan played in this league for a long time, but the Minnesota Vikings and the short stint in the Redskins and then with us and was a heck of a football player for a long time and was a part of their big rushing success when he was there and then you know Roger saffold the guy that even when the Rams weren't having success. I don't think it C minor league that didn't always respect the way that guy played the game and how good of a football player he was so to lose two guys that aren't just losing pieces, but also great football players. There's going to be a growing period It's a time when you know what you're going to need things around you to be better and we haven't had that, you know, as a team. We haven't been you know, as good as we were last year and All Phases not just offensively and so that really puts that emphasis on the line to have to be that much better. Yeah, the game is won in the trenches. It doesn't get talked about enough you guys never really get enough credit as you should offense defense of line. That's how you win games in the NFL especially late. Now, you're getting into the later part of the Season here. Everybody's ruling out the Rams, but every time I shall make face speaks into a microphone is very positive. He's like, hey, we can turn this around. We just got to get better from it. What has been the mindset in that locker room for the Los Angeles Rams. Well, I think really just continuing to realize that everything in this league is about a daily process and every single day finding a way to get yourself better and really that no one in this league feel. Sorry for you. No matter what you're going through the next teams coming in to earn what they need and everybody's trying to put food on the table for their program and their team and so, you know what this week it's going to be another great challenge. We're going to have myself and forged for new guys playing All over the place. So well, you know what? It's a heck of a challenge but man if you love this game you love everything this games about the next guys opportunity. And so, you know what we're going to have that this week and look forward to seeing the challenge. These guys are going to face now. You've been on some bad teams when here in Cincinnati been on an incredible team out there with the Rams whenever you have four new faces to work within a unit that has to be cohesive. These are you like taking these guys out to dinner? Is there a lot of hang out time and during the day like, how do you build a camaraderie? Terry with a group of humans that are just been changing Ever Changing every single week. Well, you know, I need one of those Barbeque camaraderie here with the exact word was rebuilding barbecue. It's not a partner we go. That's that's what I need. Oh, yeah, we do a lot of that and I mean you look in our room. I mean besides myself and really robbed having seven awesome Blythe who've both probably started around 20 to 40 50 games. I mean the rest are rooms one year to year guys that haven't really played ever. So it's it's not just learning the game and but it's getting their feet wet and realizing what NFL football is about and getting out there and feeling the pressure and everything. So it's it's a lot of learning curve but it's fun because these guys are passionate they have energy and they all just excited for their hop and their opportunity to get out there and prove they can play in this league. I know you have to get to work here soon and we're very thankful for your time here on this beautiful Wednesday, November 13th, Todd Gurley has been quite a topic of conversation by everybody. Nobody really he knows what's going on outside of that locker room outside of that building Todd Gurley was a very big Difference Maker for you guys you I would assume you can understand why people are like, well, it feels like Todd Gurley was a big part of that successful offense this year our last year not so much this year. Is there anything other than the Todd Gurley situation that people outside that locker room should know about no, I mean, I really just honestly through it all. I've been just continued to be impressed and then earn such a respect for Todd because regardless of how it's gone or are the carries the touches Every it is every week that the narrative is the guy doesn't change. He comes every single week. He works his butt off. He has a great attitude. He's continually one of those guys in the Huddle. It's encouraging guys inspiring guys. He's never once made it about himself. He's never complained when the line doesn't give him a great hole or you know what it's a bad carry and and those kind of things he just does his job and does it in a way that guys can look up and respect and so really cool it all. I think it's one of those things that yeah. I think we all want Todd to get loose and he had a pretty good game last week in Berg and you know what hoping to see more of that but you know what the reality is how he's handled and how he's done it, you know, you can respect that from afar. Yeah. Everybody said that there they've been kind of holding off on Todd girlies workload until later in the season. Do you expect us to see a lot more talked early especially after did well against the Steelers last week. Well, I think just really the physicality he showed last week to run with in that game. I mean that to me in the NFL and the 14 years I've been in it. That's that you always see that in the month of November and December. It's that physicality those Runners that are on a run and want to hit people. Make people make business decisions and the reality is Todd ran like that last week and if he can continue to do that, we got an opportunity to get ourselves going in the right direction. I should have made a couple business decisions in my career instead end up on my ass a few times so I can understand that you have been doing a lot of Television. You've been in the game for a long time. You're very good at speaking you're attractive. You're resumes good is television something that's in the near future for Andrew Whitworth. You know, I've been that's been asked a lot over the last two years really to me and and you know, the more I looked into it and seeing it and watched it. I think it's interesting. I mean, I definitely am interested in it. I'm not the type that whatever declare myself good at something so until I get a chance to get my feet wet and actually work at it. So, you know what? Yeah. I'm interested in it for sure and we'll see what happens down the road but you know what I love the game. I love being around that I love the opportunity to watch guys like yourself still be involved in the games at played it and really have the knowledge to give fans an opportunity to understand the game. Warren so, you know what we'll see what happens down the road. Well, I think you should declare yourself a damn good left tackle because you're that also good leader. I got a chance to meet you at that Bellator flight. You're a good dude. Great, dude, and Rams are lucky to have you and so were we thank you so much. I know you got to get to work. Cheers. Good luck to you guys and I hope we could see a lot of talk girl going for sounds like a plan. I appreciate it. But I thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, Andrew Whitworth want to shut. Okay. So Andrew Whitworth is a player on the Ramps so he does not know the medical conditions of other people right? I was going to press them on the top girly thing where it's like, hey everybody saying he's hurt. Is he hurt her not her players. Hey, if you put somebody in that situation, no never talk to you again be he probably doesn't really know that is something that the players don't know about. Oh geez. Oh my God. I swallowed my tongue ciabatta coming back. So jeez, I'm so sorry. You had to hear that over your right. I couldn't even fathom what that sounded like but players don't know Andrew Luck that entire year where he was only practicing like one day a week and he was only throwing a certain amount of reps and we had no idea what was happening a good story about this type of situation is in training camp the like third day luck hadn't practiced the first two days of a through like the third day in these balls were looking like these lolly pop balls. I mean it it was just like it was the balls were just there's no way those are NFL football is that are being thrown and this isn't a drill where it wasn't like a warm-up here Vin and Terry and I were sitting next to each other looking at this and we're like what's going on with why does he look like he can't throw a ball 10 yards out. So we walk over to a scout, you know, normally the front office people know more than us like Angeles back, right and they're like, yeah good to see you. But whatever was it gives it that we seen the passenger. He's like, yeah. Like its kind of just like loosening up a little bit. I'm like, well, we're in period 10 right now. I think we're already past the point of being loose like I yeah, he's probably just figuring it out, you know, nobody tells anybody anything because they don't want anything to ever get leaked, right? So they interlock stuff. We had no idea Peyton Manning called me down to the training room one training camp and seen him in a couple of probably like a month or two Aaron Burrell the head physical therapist was down there as well. I hadn't seen him in like a month. They wanted to catch up with my office is I think I want to Africa to her. At break I something they wanted to hear the story or whatever and I walked down in there and Peyton just got like a bunch of wires basically coming off of his neck and I came skipping in the room. You don't like. Hey, how's it going? I got a good story to tell here we go wrote a camel. How's it going? Just big slow slow horse excited. I'm like, here we go. Here we go. Here we gonna have a good time and I turn the corner and I see it. I'm like whoa! Whoa whoa, whoa. Whoa what the hell's going on here, and they didn't tell me but I did know that at that moment. I was going to be punting a lot more. I had thought probably shouldn't have vacation in Africa's probably should have trained a little bit harder when you have Peyton his quarterback like a pro. I'm not going to put that much this year. I walked in there and I was like, oh no. Oh no. I mean, I don't want to know what's going on. But I know that does not look great turns out he's out the rest of the year signed Kerry Collins out of retirement. God was hunting a tree sign them back and I'm like I had no idea going into the season. I wish you would give me a little heads-up maybe, you know, especially in a position where the your workload. Really depends upon how the quarterback does. Yeah probably would have ran a couple more laps. Maybe what ahead a treadmill once what did I knew that stuff? But that's the type of thing players are kept in the dark just as much as everybody else media members know more about People's Health situations than players usually because we have friends we have this we have that and I mean, I guess that's a good excuse but for me if we're all in if we're all in I'd like to know why Andrew Luck is throwing lollipop five-year-old passes here on the third day of training camp. I mean if I was kicking a ball chair, I'm assuming other people would be like hey, why is Pat kicking the ball six yards right now? Should we talk to him about that Camel ride, he went on in the offseason. It's just an interesting thing. So that's why I didn't ask Andrew Whitworth directly about talk girlies Health situation because I'm assuming he doesn't know exactly who probably knows just as much as us. All he knows about is his work ethic wanting the ball and things like that. He it sounded like he said talk girl is going to be a worker horse going forward, which if you go back to the early days of what McVeigh was saying this he was like we're going to taper Todd Gurley talk. Each has until later in the season got the ball a lot against the Steelers Now. Is it going to get going? You know what they might be saving them for nothing. No, because if you're playing with four new offensive lineman that is going to be a challenge chop, that's gonna be tough. Also just this that shows the disadvantages of doing that like they're basically out of playoff contention now, so they saved him for nothing essentially all the pro still beat the Bears, but then I'll come on. Okay speaking of the Bears Colin Kaepernick this Saturday doing a workout that the NFL Has put together the NFL has informed Colin Kaepernick's people of a workout happening this Saturday when they have formed car informed Colin Kaepernick's people about the workout happening Saturday. No NFL teams had known about it yet. So someone in the NFL office got some calls from a couple different people obviously, which doesn't sound good for the NFL by the way, if teams are looking to sign a free agent potentially in they're calling the NFL office. So that makes me ask a question like is that happened when they sign everybody they have to call the office to see If you're allowed to do that or not, or maybe the NFL office is just like hey, it's time for us to make this right. I mean, there's two different particular ways. You can look at this. Anyways, the NFL calls Colin Kaepernick and says, hey this Saturday in Atlanta. You have a workout some people on the Internet or like well, Colin Kaepernick's been trying to set up workouts with teams and wanting to do this for three years. How come it's on the NFL's time act as their 32 billionaires. That's just what the way that's just the way it works. That's just way works. We've talked about this before sometimes you don't like the way things are like with the NCAA. We don't like the way the NCAA. All right. Nobody does I think that's something that universally agreed-upon except for a couple old people that screaming the front yard about players getting paid for something right? Everybody kind of universally agrees with that. With the NFL you just have to agree that it's their world. This is their business. This is 32 billionaires and you're living in their sandbox. You might hate the rules of the sandbox, but you're currently in that sandbox. If you want to get into that business you have to deal with these 32 billionaires Roger Goodell. That's just the way it goes. I mean, it's not fun to hear that. It's not nice to hear that you would wish everybody would do the right thing all the time. That's just not the way it works. That's not the way the world works. We're on the side of a road in the Hill district defense have Pittsburgh Pennsylvania right now. Like this is just the way things go not not always are our fairy tales and Fantasies and in tune with reality, right the NFL for the last three years has obviously said we don't want Colin Kaepernick in our league the NFL for the last three years has obviously tried to put a bandaid on the situation by creating this players Coalition and donating money and has earned all this they're trying their best to make it right but Colin Kaepernick has always been the one where everybody goes. Yeah, but you won't look call him back in the league. Yeah, you won't let call him back in the lake. There's a lot of people that are very negative about this in my eyes. It's like hey at least 32 billionaires who normally whenever they make their mind up about something have a tough time changing it or extending a little bit of an olive branch to Colin Kaepernick Colin Kaepernick generated a conversation and started something that was very vital to our country by the way our country needed it. Was it uncomfortable. Did it cost some so some money in the NFL with ratings in such. Yes, but that's what a protest normally does. So now that a little bit of an olive branch is being extended. Although it's not a perfect Olive Branch. Although it's not exactly what people want. I think we should take it for what it is and be excited for a chance for Kaepernick to dominate in front of whoever is going to be there. Now is this just the NFL doing this just to put the Band-Aid on again? Like just a little bit of a barrier like a we we made an offer. We not granted. It was only a couple of days in advance. So we didn't get to tell him that he should be training to get into game shape. Yes. It's in a on a date that we didn't tell them in advance. So he couldn't schedule any business things that he probably had going because that was his life when he wasn't playing in the NFL. Yes. It was not ideal conditions for Colin Kaepernick, but it was an offer from the NFL. so you have to appreciate that just a little bit you have to You have to get me naked black bomb for the rest of his life if they wanted to it's there. It's that's there. It's their sandbox. That's right. That's what people have to understand like the NFL we because with so many fans. It's the best league in the world in the game is awesome and all this stuff. You just expect everything to be perfect all the time because remember these are humans making decisions and when humans make decisions, there's egos involved. There's a there's personalities. There's allegiances alliances and there's things like that that happened. So the fact that they're even offering something I think. Should be happy for Colin Kaepernick at the situation. Now. We are going to find out very quickly what Colin Kaepernick it is. You look at his last couple games as a quarterback. He did not too great. But there are glimpses of greatness before that. Now the Greg Roman is having success with Lamar Jackson Greg Roman was his offensive coordinator of the rest of the league could potentially be seeing this and say hey, is it time for a Colin Kaepernick now should we get a couple more tight ends bring in some big bodies get one explosive player and become Baltimore Ravens offense 2.0. I would assume that is what happened and why this workout is taking place, but we're going to find out if Colin Kaepernick still God or not. Colin Kaepernick said he's been training for three years for this moment. I'm excited to see it will we ever see any tape of this workout? I'm assuming not right not the timing is incredibly convenient. I mean you mentioned with the success Romans had and Lamar Jackson and everyone looking at all. Could we find the next Lamar jacking you said there is no next Lamar Jackson at least not yet. Kaepernick's probably the closest. We don't know by the way. Nobody knows how Colin Kaepernick's going to do. Yeah. It's think know he might stink by the way. His last couple games is quarterback. He was not great, but maybe he wasn't being utilized in a proper fashion. Maybe he was just having an off year which happens to people maybe all these things we get to learn. A lot now for this workout and don't put it past the GM or a coach who I don't think are going to be at this workout. By the way on Saturday. There's no way on Sunday and there might be a couple by week coaches and GM's there there might be something like that to come check it out just to kind of poke around see what's going on, but don't put it past the coach being like can we not sign him and make our team immediately better Chicago Bears. Come on, she went outside him and get immediately better. Detroit Lions, I just don't think of broken back heals itself. I just don't think if you can't play because of a broken back seven days later your backs gonna be like, yep, we're good. Now, let's play I just don't think that's how it works which showcases how incredibly tough Matt Stafford is true. He's putting up numbers that were Godly with a broken frickin back, but did that thing just heal in seven days to go from not being able to play to play. I just don't know you got a guy though on Saturday you could signed as a free agent. I'm not sure how much money it's going to take we get him in there, Matt Patricia. Jeff driskel and will to almost took down the Bears with no practice at all. Was it close to taking down to bare skin, and of course close, but you have to go against the Cowboys with a week of practice. We beat the Cowboys. See you later Jason Garrett. Well, you're not going to sign concavity on Saturday to play Sunday so that make no sense riveting. I interrupt you once again voice is starting to come back now. Saturday Elton John puts on a show man. He puts on a show, you know, we're on the road right now. We're staying in a hotel kind of looks like a jail cell, you know hasn't been updated since about in 1947 or so. It's not bad. It's spacious. We got some room. I gotta catch out here foxy. Obviously got the penthouse suite but I got a nice little spread as well. But every time I lay down and go to bed and he cities and he's new hotels. The only thing I miss is my Lisa mattress. I became Elisa mattress guy. About a year and a half ago. It has changed everything. 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Yeah, not bad and what's even better is he will for sure can About two hours ahead of the show. Don't get him if you haven't already. Why do you say that time? Well, because he personally did that to me about a month ago two times elton's feeling a little bit under the weather. Sorry, no refunds either. He'll be back in in March. No, we won't maybe now that means I think we did that to the second half of our tour with me was still do Iowa Detroit Minnesota that will still happen will be the first three stops. Whenever we go back on tour. Everyone knows that we had actual things that popped up. Yeah big time by the way if I'm out, In John I've seen Rocket Man rocket. I watch that movie rock man. I think I'm like one of few hundred to have me to you. Watch it Susie. Oh, yeah sad life for that. Gary said great at the piano though. He could really twiddle the fingers there. Oh, yeah, but boy, it seems like every person relationship in his in his life has gone awry. So if he doesn't want to perform an Indianapolis and you don't get a single refund, I mean respect the guys hustle to get to the top of the mountain where you was it's alright see I still do I mean He walked outside of his house one time and his boyfriend / manager getting sucked off by the pool boy can't make that up that happened. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I saw it too. Can you say that what I just said? Yeah. It's every relationship in his life. The Rocket Man was a sad movie a lot of flash pops, too. Yes, I became a yeah, they just started singing. I know where they keep. I became a bigger fan of Elton John. After watching Rocco. Yeah, just because he's been through some stuff you always expect these people with all the money in the world to have these like perfect life and he can remember. Yes money gives you Freedom. Yes money gives you the ability to do things that nobody else can but it also it doesn't make you just disappear from actual human problems with emotions and things like that and relationships and backstabbing and blah blah blah feels like that was a lot of Elton John's life. I hope we get a chance to see him tonight for I don't know 20 30 grand. Yeah. I've been will see and like you said, you know, all the money in the world doesn't stop your lover from Can off the pool boy? Why did you double Dead starting to see if we can get away with it? All right, if we haven't been kicked off the air just yet. I mean think about that how sad that is though? He's paying both that yep and the bull. Yeah hang them. Both and Wham backstep that was one of many of his entire life the front step. This pool vacuum ain't the only thing sucking out here. Terrible guy all you do that. All right, let's get to the segment about sports. No, actually, it's not a segment that we've started here in the last couple of days people seem to really love it. I know I do if you don't enjoy it. This one's strictly for me ladies and gentlemen Z defect. All right, I have to fax for you Pat. I'm going to tell you what they're about and you go ahead choose it. I have one about fish or dogs and ants well, I think I just saw the one about the person you put up a little bit earlier about boat. Okay, so I don't want to see that one here either one about dogs dogs and ants coming in hot to you right here. Go ahead of it. That's what I thought you were going to do and an sense of smell is stronger than a dogs sense of smell. I forgot the last part. How do we know this is this because we watch these ants just kind of pilgrimage across these tiny little areas. I didn't they put them on there like a microscope. I didn't know a music mouth. I thought there's use their antennae to since vibrations and whatnot. Yeah, I thought they were like because thanks don't smell right snakes. Just kind of bright feel they feel it's not answer like that great staff there. I mean granted dogs make a living off of their smell. Yeah, like actual dogs make a living off of this know you got a drug dogs. You got bomb dogs my dog. I deep cleaned my rug and You can still smell that he pissed there and continues to do so, so I think about what an ant's doing everything exactly we get the ants out of the living room. They can smell the put places that they've marked will go to the bathroom. Thank you so much for that seat of fact, it's on back to you Pat. Thank you. That's over. I appreciate that a lot. Any other notable news that we did not get through Frank. The Houston Astros are being accused by former pitcher of stealing signs. Not just with human eyes using a video camera. To record and decode the signs in The Dugout. Okay. So this is a massive ordeal. Yeah. I've heard in the baseball world. I was a professional baseball player one particular night for the Washington Wild Things. I started it right field. I got three at-bats. You could buy it now for three dollars and 33 cents. I think we're giving it away on YouTube in a matter of weeks. But I was a professional baseball player for one night one night alone. I stepped in the batter's box against a guy who was drafted by the Yankees. Okay, so my baseball knowledge is one that is very deep. I've played the game. passionately, correct I believe it's a gentleman's game a gentleman's sport America's pastime. So whenever you get involved in a spy gate type situation, like what happened in New England, I assume stealing signs is something that's very common in baseball all the time. Yeah. It is actually a part of baseball. That's why you see pitchers and catchers and they have their conversations. We're going to change our signs. They paint their nails even catchers paint their nails, there's entire signs you look at the third-base coach giving signs of the batter. I mean, it's 400 500 different things. It happened in the World Series this year Stephen Strasburg. He was pitching his pitching coach told him. Hey, you got to lift your move your glove up a little bit more because they're tipping from second base to what you're throwing. So it's a part of the game in football looking at other peoples signs is a part of the game. That's just the way it is. If you ever watch college football, there's boards and walls to block people signs. I've got a chance to talk to some teams. They have five to six different people giving out the signals so that they can change you it is because the other team is trying to get them. It's gamesmanship. It's trying to learn what the other person's doing before they do it. It's just a little bit of an advantage. But anytime you bring In a camera, that's when you lose people's respect because not only you're doing and in real life utilizing your own brain, you're taking other people's brains to study it and break it down and give the whole thing. That's whenever people get upset. That's why Spygate for the New England Patriots and such a big deal because yes, every other team was like, let's not go after them too hard. I mean, we're trying to look for signals to I'm not sure if everybody else was recording it. Let's assume others were not everybody but I assumed there was some that were but that's why it was such a big deal because it loses the Integrity of the game and Gamesmanship of being able to figure it out yourself in deciphered. That's a weapon. If you have somebody that can decipher signals that's an advantage for your team. But whenever you get a camera involved, that's just a little bit too much. There's a line. I think that this whole thing Houston Astros guy named Greg in the sweets. He was probably running the camera if I had to guess. Yeah, nothing new there front office is loaded with scumbags. This doesn't surprise me at all. That was an aggressive, but they actually are yeah, it's not wrong. It's a thousand percent. Sure system GM just got for ya got fire. Yep, unsavory comments solved on widely Astros fans were very nice to us. They work great people but the front office loaded sculpt better. Yeah, they do Houston deserves better. All right, that's the show can't thank you enough for downloading this. Can't thank our guests enough for joining us. I mean good humans good people coming in talking some shit with us. It's very nice of them. It's very nice of you to listen to if you enjoy what we do. 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Today's show comes from an ice cold box truck in Pittsburgh, PA as Pat and the boys battle the elements and try to stay warm. Pat breaks down the College Football Playoff rankings that were just released, and he is not pleased with how things are shaking out as Minnesota is still on the outset of the top 6 despite making the biggest jump in the history of the rankings, but Pat has a simple message for the committee. Also joining the show is the all-time leading rusher at Florida State, and current NFL rushing leader, Dalvin Cook. He tells Pat what the secret to his success so far has been, why the Vikings offensive line has been so successful this year, what happened in the locker room in order to turn everything around after the issues that plagued the locker room earlier in the season, and Dalvin gives his thoughts on Deion Sanders potentially being the next Head Coach for Florida State and whether or not he thinks that will result in a return to dominance (19:59-27:42). Also joining the show is 4x Pro Bowler, 3x All-Pro, 2018 Built Ford Tough Lineman of the Year, LA Rams left tackle, Andrew Whitworth. He breaks down why he thinks LSU has been successful this year and what he thinks of Coach O, the issues with the Rams this year and why he thinks they can turn things around once Todd Gurley is worked back into the offense, how he builds trust with lineman who haven't been in the league for very long and are constantly changing, and what his plans are after retirement (27:45-35:55). Pat also dives into the Colin Kaepernick situation and what he thinks will come from it and reminds us that regardless of how people feel about the situation, it's the NFL's sandbox and ultimately their decision. Pat also chats about Elton John and the film Rocketman ahead the concert, the Astros being in hot water over taping signs during their 2017 championship run, and some other things that are happening right now in the world. Don't forget to tweet us using hashtag #GimmeDatPat for a chance to win a $500 gift card to store.patmcafeeshow.com. Come and laugh with us, cheers.

Hi guys, it's Rebecca. You're listening to superwomen today's guest is Catherine Duryea the founder of year and day. I don't know about you, but maybe it's my age a while ago probably was around the time. I got married. I started getting interested in dishes and I was sort of upset that you could only buy the really cool stuff that was really expensive and then the cheap stuff breaks all the time and is really that special so she created your day I think for me because it is beautifully crafted. Stood dishware in colors that are I don't know make me maybe it's the millennial in me really happy and we talked about her finding a niche in a market that was sort of untapped and how she grew it into a really amazing company. I would love to start at the beginning like what made you want to disrupt this industry, which is like filled with these big box retailers. Well exactly that I felt like this was well, it actually came from a personal experience. It made me realize how broken the industry is. I had moved back to San Francisco where I grew up from New York City in my early 30s and had kind of was Furnishing my bachelorette apartment and I was looking forward to having dinner parties and realized that some of my dishes had broken in the move and they were hand-me-down dishes from my mother who's always been a big plate obsessed person and collector. And so I was actually kind of excited to have this right-hand ring moment oftentimes people. All our associate buying nice dinner where with getting married and I wasn't married or engaged or I had met my husband and it was actually excited to embrace this the shopping experience and and went out to all of the different stores department stores specialty stores and was totally overwhelmed by the amount of choice in the market and it was very difficult for me to find anything. Aesthetically that I liked. And when I finally did the plates were You know more than 50 dollars per plate which was going to result in this like multi-thousand dollar dishware investment. And I thought that wasn't fair and it wasn't right and that there should be beautiful dishes that are accessible to everyone from a price point standpoint, but that also are very high quality and ethically and responsibly made and sustainably sourced and so I started digging into the industry and realized that Table, where is this seven billion dollar, you know Market inside the broader, you know, multibillion-dollar Home Market and thought well, maybe I could build a big business here. And so little by little started gathering information on the industry realized how much it relied on, you know, really kind of now Antiquated Distribution Systems licensing sales Distributors, you know department stores that weren't necessarily delivering a delightful customer experience on Mine or in person. So I went to trade shows I travel the world. I saw Factory floors and then had this design and my mind's eye of a really simple shape with beautiful contemporary. But Timeless colors that look beautiful individually or could be mixed in match. But but essentially had guardrails of being foolproof. So no matter what combination of colors that you pick your going to have a Chic table no matter what and brought that together into this idea of of around a table. So year and day is all about time and quality of time and celebrating kind of our daily rituals and you know annual celebrations or celebrations that happen on a less regular Cadence and realize that this product is such as witness to these really important moments and so it should have meaning and and that this generation we should all be inspired to build community at home and build community around the table at home and yet you know, we're all very busy you have women Much in the workforce and not necessarily having the time all day to cook and you know prepare arranged fly now, why don't we have that kind of time arrange a beautiful table scape Allah, you know icons of the past but that we shouldn't have to compromise, you know the outcome which is, you know, a beautiful table Community friends family conversation love humor all of the good things that happen there. That don't happen, you know take out on the sofa with the TV on so I'd love to pinpoint like a lot of people have great ideas and then they never actualize them right or they or they have a great idea and it seems like something that's like sort of Within Reach but you had this idea. So what within you occurred or what do you think you credit like here's an idea for you know, seemingly like I wouldn't have thought of that right or most people wouldn't have to create this. Where did that come from? Well, I think that I had built up a lot of inspiration from other brands that were kind of disrupting different areas of the retail universe. So that was there were some models out in the world of companies that had kind of like approaches. I think similarly there were models of other female entrepreneurs who had kind of like seemingly, you know out of nowhere out of left field ideas that had actualized them and she like real big businesses and raised money and built great teams. And you know, I'm lucky that I became an entrepreneur after many of them who forged the way I think for for people like me to see them as models and as icons and and to think okay, I could do that too. And then I think like inside of me this desire to have creativity not only in the expression of the product design but in thinking about customer Experience in this category and business and and how you could both make money and improve the way that this category is bought and sold. It just seemed like this Unique once-in-a-lifetime Kind of inside an opportunity to really try and I had gone to business school and I'd been out of business school for several years and it was kind of this moment of like if not now then when and so I was doing like Consulting at the time so I had some flexibility to do. Do work on your and day on the side without compromising kind of where my rent money was coming from. And so that that was helpful. But at some point you have to just embrace the unknown and kind of like walk into an unclear murky future, but with kind of like a sense that you have a compass inside of you both kind of business wise and artistically that will move that will Propel the vision forward and you Now we're two years in selling to customers three years into the journey and and it works. It worked people. We have people who bought it people bought it people bought it and and and love it and come back and buy more and it's the customers and their love of our product and they show us how they love it. They write in but they post on Instagram and their stories their tablescapes and their shell fees and that just fuels My passion to build a bigger business. So how big is your team now? My team now is eight people including myself in San Francisco. We have an incredible team right now. We're all women and it's the team inspires me so much because they all you know, entrepreneurial work startup work. I like to say you're we're kind of we're trying to break through the inertia of the world, you know. People want you know kind of have habits and routines or like there is a top of mine brand here. And even if it's delivering a subpar experience, like, you know, there's inertia there. And so if you're a startup you have to like cut through that and please tell me how we have let you know. It's like it's an everyday exercise and the team is incredible and they show up every day with new ideas new approaches energy horsepower. We had like our best week ever last. Weak and the team is the most important thing when it comes to scale because an individual can have an idea and a vision and kind of architect things. But at some point the amount that you can carry in your own basket is topped off and and so finding incredible people who share the vision who have a lot of fire and passion and and skill. Our team now is very skilled and smart and they're amazing. How could do it up that up to the team shout out to the team? So one thing I struggle with? And I'm curious how you deal with this is I I know what I like when I see it, but I have a lot of trouble articulating especially on a visual like not design not when it comes down to the actual design of a bag that's very easy. But when you're communicating anesthetic, which yours is so tight right, there is no crack. Thank you in my little fairy. That's very high pressures no cracks in that but I have trouble that like when I'm trying to direct people or we have a new graphic designer come in. I'm like no no no, yes, but like I wish I could just say this is the lane do not Veer from it and then they get it right. So how have you been able to have the business mind the artistic mind and like really have a vision that doesn't I've never it's always the same in a good way. They know here for saying that I credit actually for that years of work in the brand management team at Tiffany sitting alongside. exceptionally talented creative team who guarded and protected that now a hundred and eighty year old brand with very specific guardrails many of which, you know aren't necessarily documented but kind of become a culture and so that taught me a lot about the importance of specificity of vision and brand and I've brought that rigor to year and day and it's harder than it looks there's There's many iterations before we get to that that outcome and again, you know, I think it's about finding the right people who not only I think at that point see your vision, but then also have you know, the flexibility and the willingness to iterate and continue to learn right? Because I do think that like an eye is not something that you can just you can't write it down. Nobody else can jump in your brain and be like, but he I see it this way, but I think people who are good listeners, who are Flexible who are curious who are you know actually kind of take to that exercise and and enjoy it and that's so far how it's worked a I think we'll probably need to do more like actual documentation as we continue to grow as a brand which is something I'm like kind of both very excited about and then nervous for because elements of the brand also need oxygen. So you also like their places where you want flexibility and then places where you want more rigidity and and it's kind of that balance. I think that makes a brand both feel Timeless and lasting and powerful and understood alongside. Its relevance make sense. So prior to us recording I we we touched on struggle and you're like every day and I was like same same if I could only walk you through what really happened today would be one for the books. I know we could sit here all day all night. Yeah. Every every day is highs and lows. It's truly. I have to say the kinship and it's you know, we met over female founder Collective, which is this incredible amazing community of women that you've brought together. I'd say that though. The one thing that's given me the most inspiration in the process of urine day aside from our customers is other women Founders because they truly understand and you don't even have to say just know and that solidarity T you know, I've forged friendships where we've only met in person once but we like text and talk on the phone and there's just like real solid support. And anyway, I won't continue but no I don't I always say like I have my best friends that I don't talk about work with it's just like whatever kids sex or not if that ever happens ever again like that kind of stuff and then I have like my female business ladies were I'm like, oh I can share with you what exactly just happened today and how awful that was and how and how I wasn't it. Debating it and I said to myself you can't make it. You can't make this fucking shit up. Yes, right. It's true. You're like it's constantly surprised by the different iterations of ways that things can go both right and wrong and but it but it's this exceptional you're like on the edge and so we're all exposed to these things. But what's funny is somebody said something to me the other week. They're like, you know, you're probably not experiencing any anything that nobody else has experienced before the seems. So Edge the seem so crazy this seems so bizarre, but And that's where I think the solidarity as we all have kind of when you actually unpack that with the founder friends are like, oh, yeah that reminds me of XY and totally and you realize like it just makes you feel like you're not alone on this journey, which is really scary and hard. I wish there could be an anonymous slack group where you could just like, right? What happened to you and everyone can be like, oh that happened to me too. But like no one has to know I love that idea. I've never throw those apps for a while like secret and whatnot where people wrote things and see if the problem is that I probably I trust the Founder he would keep it positive and it like on the up and up but it's you can start that business. Now, we can start that. This is a subscription to start the business and I will be our first two customers. So what were so you were at Tiffany before which is how you got your incredible ability to be rigid in the best way and brand forward. What was your what sort of was your journey prior that gave you the good business sense you went to business school to business school. I was at I was at Stanford for for business school, which is an incredible. Place for being inspired by entrepreneurs. It's a school that really tends to encourage students to pursue either working at a start-up or becoming an entrepreneur. And so those are all the ideas that I was exploring there and you know actually kind of wanted to work at a consumer or Commerce start up after business school, but I graduated in 2009, which was I don't know if you know you were I know what there was like me. That's when we slashed our prices. I 50% you go see business exactly exactly. Right and so finding a job in that market was not easy. But you know, I ended up finding my way to this path, you know a little bit non in a long linear way started, you know business school. I did my internship actually at Bare Essentials Cosmetics, which is this mineral makeup company that has like tremendous brand love. This was 2008 and I was in there e comment online Marketing Group and e-commerce. Cam we are just starting to kind of like open our eyes to the idea that e-comm was delivering all this great data about the customer about replenishment Behavior Etc. And then the second thing that was interesting that I learned there was about building Community online because their customers were so fanatical about the brand that they started bulletin boards to like talk about make up the different kits and tips and this was kind of before Instagram and Pinterest and kind of all these other places where now Brands, you know, kind of have room Is where customers can build community and so is very inspired by that idea. And really it directed kind of the next I guess 10 years and I worked for a year at a consulting firm here in New York and then kind of use that to to get started at Tiffany and Tiffany was just this incredible a global brand experience. I worked a lot on our Asia Pacific Market and traveled there and help get the brand up on, you know platforms like WeChat and just have this incredible exposure to you know, the mobile world of retailing and luxury retailing and yet also saw kind of all of the ways that retail could be made better by technology and digital and so again kind of back to the 2008 mind I thought okay. I think I want to get on the other side of this and that Insight combined with my love of the table, you know tabletop and home got me into this thing that's now yearned. So I would love to touch on you had mentioned like your Father and he had a huge role. So can you talk a little bit about your father's role? He played in your journey. Absolutely. So I an unfortunate loss of my father when I was 12 and my father and I were very close Kindred. I was very inspired by him and he was incredibly kind of supportive of my interest. I mean, I was 12 at the time so ballet and science or what I really care about then but it nevertheless like we're very very close and he was kind of an honor. Preneur in his own right? He was a lawyer but he had his own practice and employees and Etc and when you know, he was diagnosed with brain cancer and within a year he died and it was a tremendously formative experience in my life, you know, it taught me a lot about resilience. You know, like life is hard. It's going to throw really difficult things that you and you can build yourself back up and build your own community and build your sense of self. And yet still you know, I feel the presence of him with me. He's such a part of me and about in my kind of fire and and energy and drive but it's so sad that he's not here totally totally. Sorry. I wasn't no thank you. I'm normally pretty buttoned-up even when I talk about him, but sometimes you know, I get it man, I think about this stuff all the time because when I was younger I Just thought I took for granted like oh when I'm older, I won't need my parents and I need them now more than I've ever needed them. And so I'm just like, oh my gosh, you know where I have an eight-year-old. So I'm just putting myself into your shoes. Like if that happened to one of us. It's just like fuck. It's not an ideal life experience and it's funny because I have friends now who are losing, you know, as adults are starting to lose their parents, which is still incredibly heartbreaking to see that loss and and I love you know, As an expert. I like to be there to support the journey, but it's truly. It's this inexplicable, you know, darkness and sadness and hole that I think again can be a great source of strength and what surprises me a little emotional today like is that you can tap into that pain, even you know, this was the 25 year anniversary of my father's death will be this December. So 25 years of healing and You know, I'm an entrepreneur. I'm married. I have a lovely life. I'm like so grateful for all of the wonderful things that have come my way since then and yet that lost can still be very palpable. But I think again, I I truly believe that it taught me so much about standing up in the face of being kicked down and that is like as you know in the entrepreneurial Journey like you are just constantly having to push forward push. Push push push push yourself up and move forward and and so I feel like that experience Miss almost this like massively horrible, but very powerful training ground and resilience. And you know, I would prefer to have my father be alive and have lived through my kind of teenage years and twenties and walk me down the aisle at my wedding and all of those things that many people have the pleasure or you know in their life. But I did not and yet I have other strengths that I derived from the absence of that which I'm proud of totally I found it fascinating and interesting to explore those deep moments of failure and like what you got out of it and while it totally fucking sucks, you're like, oh there's a silver lining there, you know and not a silver lining but there's like something that grew out of it you guys learning there's growth there's building there. And so I think from that you can kind of you see like, you know again in the It's like we're lucky because like, you know, we're getting more things right than wrong. And there's more good than harm. You know, like there's there's momentum to what we're building and yet like there's always that backs. And so I think like you you just your muscle for for managing setbacks. It's just like a little stronger. So you raised money. I did did you find that experience tough? Did you feel viewed as a woman? You know, it's Or not I would say fundraising I think is really hard. I think it's probably hard for men and women. I do think it's more difficult for women particularly women who are working in the in consumer-facing Industries and Brands where I think that you know our product and what we the problem that were solving and the way we're approaching it is like intuitively understood by most women and yet most investors are men. And so you have to kind of start a couple stages earlier kind of explaining why why this problem is what it is and why it exists and like also that it's a massive business opportunity and how your day is approaching it differently. And so, you know nevertheless I would say the majority of our cap table is woman, like which I'm super proud of we have amazing investors who you know, I think fundraising is an exercise that like anything else it becomes kind of a skill that I think over time you You know get better and better at but it's definitely difficult. It's also an exercise in resilience. You know, we've had a lot of amazing yeses. We have again incredible people in our cap table, but we've also had some like amazing nose and that's hard and it sucks but you get up the next morning and you go after it again and again like it's Groundhog Day, right? Exactly, right? You can't you can't let the setbacks like set you back because the customers are what like, I don't know like if I ever / I don't know. I just like go. I have a rough day or like I hear no from an investor. I like going to like our dashboard and look at our sales and then I look at our like Instagram user generated content and I look at our feedback from our customers and in and I'm just like wow, like people love this. We are really doing something right and it's all about finding the folks who see that too and see they opportunity there. My husband will see the light and Daybreak day break which is my favorite color Daybreak look it up people. Beautiful and it's a great way to start your day. Yes, very cheerful seems to get over his aversion to Pink. It's really a subtle pink. It's a very gender-neutral ping, you know, it's and it truly like for breakfast makes you happy. It makes you happy. I know like Sparks Joy. Yeah Sparks joy in the home a great. So I yes, I'm II think that when he sees the Daybreak mugs in your home, he will convert because it Will let's hope so we'll strike an emotional chord. It's just like there's no going back. Once that one side happened. Yes. I like to ask my guests to questions, which I'm sure you know, the answer are you know them but something would be surprised to know about you something you'd be surprised to know about funny habit and a weird Quirk don't be afraid to share a lot of things like last week. I told everyone I peed in a diaper because I wasn't near a bathroom. I just listened to the Ali Wong book and she talks about peeing in a diaper. Then the diapers were quite small. And anyway, it leaks and her car anyway, which is like that book is she's coincidentally grew up in San Francisco and I knew her a little bit growing up in any way, but I think she's so incredible and was very anyway, so you're not alone. I'm not I have not paid in the diaper. I do not yet have children. I'm just trying to think of I mean, I'm sure I have a gazillion crazy quirks. In fact, I know I do. I really, you know, I probably I have watched every Law and Order ever. Wow. I mean I had as like legit. It was kind of embarrassing. It's a lot of episodes whenever I'm traveling for work. I like to put it on in the background when you like to be watched them occasionally, but what's bad as I have a really good memory and like they're not that fun to once you know the hook. You're like, okay, but I always like I'm up on the current season. I always have it at like when I travel I put it on but again, I'm I think I'm in repeat sound because I think I've watched so you're a dick Wolf's superfan. Yeah. Yeah. I think I like I mean, I'm comforted by the formula. Yeah, you know and so yeah, it's not super hyper out but I love it and there and what is some great advice you'd love to pass on whether you learn it yourself or someone gave it to you and it worked. I think that the advice I've learned kind of most recently and is about finding great. People surrounding herself with a great team. There's you know a it's important in any kind of career or you know to have a vision of what you want to become and and to move yourself closer and closer to that vision. And then I think like it's the people around you that make that a journey worth going on and you know, whether that's a team you hire or the people that you choose to work within a job or your friends and family like that. I guess not your family. You don't know. Sara Lee juice, but I think really think carefully about the people you surround yourself with especially the people you work with and it makes really a lot of difference. I think in the day-to-day, but also kind of the outcome of your career. So thank you. Thank you. That was Catherine Duryea the founder of year and day for more information about her company. You can follow at your and a thank you so much for listening. As always. Don't forget to rate me, wherever you listen to a podcast leave a review. I do read them all.

What’s the 7 billion dollar industry that’s perched on your shelves, resting on your table, even held in your hands multiple times a day? It’s not your phone. It’s not even digital. It’s – wait for it – your dishes! That’s right, the tools we use to deliver food to our hungry bodies everyday is a goldmine, and an industry that hasn’t seen many changes in operations in the last several decades. Enter Kathryn Duryea, whose personal journey to create a nice table for herself resulted in frustration. When she did find designs she liked, the prices were far too high. Not everyone has thousands of dollars to put towards plates and forks. Years spent on the brand management team for Tiffany, coupled with her mother’s love of dishware, gave Kathryn the skills, passion and inspiration to start her own brand. Now just two years old, Year and Day has already been critically acclaimed by the likes of Vogue and GQ. According to Kathryn, when it comes to creating a beautiful table for friends and family, “We shouldn’t have to compromise.” Thanks for listening! We love our listeners! Follow Superwomen on Instagram. Big Ideas The greater goal in creating community and a place for friends and family to share beautiful memories together. [03:28] Creating clear and consistent branding. [09:52] --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/superwomen/support

Devon day Moretti is an ISS a personal trainer and holds her nutrition survey caishen so that she can work with women to show up confidently in their bodies in their choices. And in their lives. She is also the host of a popular podcast, not your normal woman with her co-host Julia parsec a former guest on our podcast in an episode entitled pure joy, if you haven't checked out that episode yet, please scroll back through and you'll understand how they are. So similar and so different all at the same time hailing from San Diego, California Devon or Devi to her friends believes that fear of judgment rejection and not realizing how dope their authentic self is is what holds them back and relationships today. We dive deep into her monogamous relationship eating disorder recovery and why selfish pleasure is so important today's conversation is extra special for me because we step out of the norm and interview. Enneagram type 3 otherwise known as the achiever about relationships casually dating and monogamy, Please Subscribe rate and review to the podcast if you love the interview today, and please don't hesitate to share it with family or friend or co-worker that, you know will get value out of the message. If Devon's message resonates with you today. Please connect with her at Devon day Moretti.com or on Instagram at Devon Dave Moretti. Without further delay, let's get into today's episode with Devin from San Diego, California. Welcome to the believe be real be bold podcast for authentic dating. My name is David Glazer online personal trainer and obsessed with the Enneagram personality assessment after going through a couple of breakups and 2017. I came across some really inauthentic people when dating in Denver and instead of getting frustrated. I decided to create a community of authentic people myself. Come along with me on this path to authenticity as we welcome expert guests and real-life daters to share their tools tips and knowledge to help you show up as your most authentic self. Hey guys, welcome back to the bee leave. Be real be bold podcast. I'm so honored to introduce to you guys my guest Devon day Moretti from San Diego, California. How are you? How are you? I'm so excited to be here. Yes. I have been trying to connect with you ever since I met Julia barzakh from one of our previous episodes and just like trying to connect because you bring so much value to your community and now to our so thank you very much. Thank you. Yeah, I'm so excited. For this episode with you and Julia and I listen to the episode that you and Julia recorded. It made me even more excited because I knew what we would be talking about and then it gave me a bigger taste of what all would be discussed and like yes, I'm on my favorite things. Right right, we'll get into that but a first and foremost the two of you hosts a podcast together called not your normal woman. And how did you guys come up with like your call your theme and your content and really the purpose behind the podcast her and I face time all the time and we always have I would say insightful conversations or just conversations where we're kind of like coaching each other through stuff. We're talking about like how we coach our clients and I feel like everything we share is pretty valuable or it could be to somebody else. And so one day I was like, you know, I Really craving something else and my business and our conversations are always really great. Why not just start a podcast and so we just were like, okay, let's do it. I like book a I booked a flight out to see her and her and I'll I got all our photos done and tried to come up with a name we came up with not your normal women because we consider ourselves not normal compared to what Society deems as normal. And we decided we just wanted to talk about the various things of what that encompasses. So, you know are non conventional dating lives more specifically me on that part are eating disorders body dysmorphia all of the things that we've overcome and just being and sharing our real life experiences and hope that I can help other women. Yeah, it's super relatable. And of course I wanted to bring Julian and talk about rejection. And ghosting, but of course you guys have such different perspectives and it comes across in such a complementary pairing over the podcast that I've enjoyed every episode. Do you strive for like putting out more episodes? Yes, we do. We do it the reason we have it and not to make excuses, but I have been working on a really big project and Julia is this is her first year of being self-employed and we kind of Didn't realize how much work would go into creating a podcast and because her and I are doing a lot right now. We decided we were going to just take a pause on that for a moment. But our goal for 2020 which is insane to say will be to record more episodes. We really do want to prioritize it and it's something that we really enjoy but we gotta set boundaries and make sure that we can show up for the other things that we really have to show up. Yeah, it's so incredibly hard to juggle everything that you want to accomplish and achieve it is. Yeah, and we're both we work for ourselves and we don't have any assistance and so being a one person running the show is really overwhelming. Sometimes I frequently struggle with burnout. I can totally relate to that. So one of the best things I've ever done is finding interns or having my virtual assistant Christina in opposite side of the world so that she can work while I'm sleeping, you know? Yeah, that's nice. That's really so, how is it and why did you decide to work with women on their self image and self love my my business kind of started with a personal journey. I was really into Fitness and Nutrition but not so much for the right reasons Marcel for the wrong reasons because I struggled with an eating disorder and body dysmorphia. So I was constantly researching ways to change my body through Fitness and Nutrition and as I started to heal my relationship with food in my body and More into personal training and started training women. I realized how common it was for women to struggle with the same things. I want struggled with and I decided that I wanted to take a Twist on my business and teach women how to take care of their bodies because they love them and not because they hate them because most of the time people come to me as a trainer to change their body because they hate their body and I wanted to completely alter that perspective for women and help them work through some of the has ordered patterns they have with food and their body because of diet culture and the society that we live in and I you know was a personal trainer at a gym started to take clients online. And as I did that I created a course in and that includes my coaching that is all on self-love and body positivity and it's just way more fulfilling for me. And the last thing I'd ever want to do is coach people the way You know, I was coached back when I had an eating disorder and you know catalyze or exacerbate some of the deeply rooted issues. They're struggling with right maybe an example would be to like overly be concerned with calorie counting. Yeah. I don't do any meal plans or calorie counting. I really teach them to hunt and soothe her intuition and be mindful about their choices and make sure that their diets consist of happiness and you know there. Helps as well because when one is compromise test, it just leads to a host of problems. Hmm and something that I've learned over the last 18 months or so of hosting the podcast and being single is that self-love is the root of everything. It's like our strongest Foundation that we can work from and you've discovered how to pair that with food and and exercise. Yeah, and you know as I drove more into self confidence and helping women build their self-confidence. and understand their worthiness I realized that it seeps into all other aspects of Our Lives because when we feel confident and good in our skin that shows up in our dating life. It shows up in our work. It shows up in the way that we speak the way that we dress the way that we associate with other people and so it's just become so important because it is really the core of what makes our life incredible and you talked about our diet culture and you talked about our society today and when people Struggle with body dysmorphia or eating disorder art sometimes seeking external validation and if we include self love in their coaching, then we then we make them. I think you're you chose the words autonomous and those decision-making that come from intuitive eating and really appreciating and respecting who you are as a person as a person. Yeah. Absolutely. I think it's really important, you know, ultimately teaching women to operate. From their own autonomy and helping them make choices based off what they want instead of, you know, what they've been learned or what somebody else tells them that they should do with their bodies with their life with how they date how they have sex all the various things. Mmm. So, when did your business start to snow wall and gain momentum? So this was where I forget what year probably around 2016 2017 when I was personal training at the gym. Like I had said I took clients online. One of my clients was just completely loved my coaching and talked about me and that helped a lot to have all of those referrals. And she talked about me online which helped build my social media presence and then you know as I got out of the conventional gym started working at another gym with another trainer and be built a clientele together. I constantly posted like workout videos, you know to put stories of me training my clients and it just really brought a lot of attention and because my clientele was building online. As I was building it in person as well. I decided that I just wanted to take it completely online, which was a really scary thing because there's of course A Drop in income and then I'm going to be completely self-employed and that was terrifying but I was just ready to get out of the gym environment and do what I was most passionate about and as I did that it was just like amazing how everything just kind of fell into place by going after what I was really passionate about About hmm. I can totally relate to that moving my business 100% online. This may was very scary and I saw I also saw that dip in income. Thankfully thankfully we're creating multiple streams of income as entrepreneurs and self-employed individuals. And so maybe one is peaking while the others are just staying level and then they they kind of fluctuate from month to month. Yeah. And you know when you see that Financial drop initially it creates more. More of a force to really get shit going. Yeah, it's kind of like an inspiring out of a need not desperation because when we operate really well under pressure and as as the achiever, I can definitely understand. Why yes. When did you find the in your Graham and what resonated with you most about your personality type the achiever? I think I discovered the Enneagram actually. ago, so I haven't really and I haven't dove into it too much other than my personal which is number three of the achiever very much relates with me and I it's so interesting when you read things that perfectly describe who you are and I'm like, oh geez like, you know me so well and I think you know, it really resonates with me because it talks about how like when I'm in cheever. So I am constantly trying to do things and constantly trying to grow it works in my advantage and disadvantage all the time. I am very success driven and they're known to be Workaholics as well, which is also in relation to my horse or my cat. I'm a Capricorn. So in relation to astrology because a Capricorns are known to be Workaholics and I I feel like I'm constantly doing something in my business. And if I'm not I feel like a sense of lack or something. I just feel kind of off so I've been working through that because I think that you know, the thing that the Achievers struggle with his worthiness and I feel like mine kind of stems from if I'm not doing a cheating or trying to become the best version of myself, then I'm lacking that and some that Is something like practicing self-acceptance is one of the biggest things that the achiever has to really work on? Absolutely. Yeah, when you're at your best your very self accepting and you learn how to give yourself Grace. So when we were talking about self-love earlier, that's a key component for the achiever to really become their greatest version of themselves. It was a foundational principle self-love. I like to back pedal or backtrack just a little bit and go to self-awareness and personal Discovery in order to find self-love and the in your Graham has helped me do that so much as the Challenger or type 8. It really helps to have you understand yourself better when you dive in and get really introspective and I've learned a lot of that through therapy and just reading more books on healing trauma and Stephen when I learn about that stuff or I learn about why I am the way that I am it makes me have a deeper understanding and gives myself and give myself more compassion because I'm like, oh that makes sense. This is why I act out in this way or this is why I feel the way that I do about these things and it just allows us to invite that compassion that self-love a bit more when we can understand why it's happening. Hmm when you've created Foundation of self-love and then worthiness coming from yourself stems from that. Do you find yourself being a better leader for your community? I do I do very much and I feel more connected when I'm connected with myself because when you feel off you don't necessarily want to be around other people or you just don't show up in the most the most energetic. Way possible and you just kind of like want to close off and so when I'm feeling more loving toward myself, I'm more loving and understanding to others I can connect with them deeper. It allows me to understand them better. It works for everybody. Yep. Absolutely that self-awareness personal Discovery and then growing into self love gives the achiever so much graciousness for others and fun like you said for themselves to yeah, absolutely. Now as an achiever when you're not at your best, are you often seeking admiration from others or an external Source when I'm not at my best I tend to isolate. I think sometimes yes, I look for you know admiration and just Assurance from somebody else, but I've noticed you know as I've gone through my healing I think sometimes now when I'm just feeling off in like okay, I just need to like isolate myself and like try to understand what's happening right now and I'm packing my feelings because I don't ever want to come off super super needy or like I'm lacking something and I need you to give it to me. Mmm, I want to be able to give that to myself. Yeah, is it lacking authenticity or like your your true version of yourself that you're that you're seeking Again by isolating. Um when I'm when I'm isolating, it's me trying to understand what's going on, but there are times when I isolate because I feel I don't feel good. And I don't know that I want people to see me like this right now and these are all things that that I've you know, I've been actively working through especially with my my healing this past year because what I realized when you work through, you know, your body image stuff and you're eating disorder, there's all kinds of other things you got to work through and specifically and my dating life a lot of what was reflected to me in my last relationship was my own shit and it's become really important for me to work through that stuff. And as you go Through your healing process. It is so difficult and uncomfortable and painful, but I know that it really allows me to become a better version of myself. When I do go through those painful moments and like really dive into why am I isolating right now? Why do I feel this way why I'm be well I am I being afraid of getting vulnerable right now. Hmm. I totally understand that. Absolutely I've Found that the self-awareness and personal growth and discovery that we can find on. Our own is great. It's tremendous and it's it's definitely valuable to work through that on your own and then when we've done that we enter into a new relationship and like you said those Reflections teach us even more So what is dating like in San Diego for you? Dating in San Diego. So when I moved here, I actually I coming up on a year next Tuesday of being here for failure. So exciting but I moved here from New York and I got out of a relationship. So when I left New York, I was leaving a relationship and I wanted to commit myself to being single because I'm notorious for always being in a relationship as a way to escape my feelings. In my heartbreak and my pain so when I talk about isolation to me, sometimes it's like kind of although it can be problematic. Sometimes it's a big growth in my previous experiences because I want to isolate myself instead. I would just be with people all the time, too. Avoid how I was feeling so that's big for me. But when I came here I decided that I wanted to learn to be alone and to be able to be in solitude to sit with my uncomfortable emotions and feelings and I decided that I didn't want to date anybody. Oh I wanted to date but I didn't want to be in a serious relationship for a year and I wanted to also practice all the things that I've been working on and myself is Actually working through some of the stuff that I realized in my last relationship that is problematic in my relationships on my behalf and practice that in the dating experience. And so I have been dating for a year. I've seen people casually I've saw one person beginning of the year casually for like three months and then I would like date again and and breathe. Recently, I've been dating someone casually for like five months now sure what is casually mean to you because it could totally mean something different to me or the next person or casually dating to me right now is we are going on dates. We are having sex and we aren't exclusive and anyway, so I still have freedom to go on other dates sleep with other people. Beyond Bumble or henge and I very much am still single but I have somebody that I consistently see hmm like a somebody who becomes a priority in your life for somebody that's just a little bit closer than others closer than others. Hmm. And is this an agreed-upon like conscious non-monogamy or like what else would you call the lifestyle choice that you've made for yourself? Right now I think the lifestyle Choice I've made right now, you know, I'm coming up on a year and it wasn't like a only in a year. I can now be open to a relationship. It just kind of naturally happened. That way I felt like, you know, I wanted to at least have six months of really truly being single and then open myself up and it was around the summertime when I was like, okay, I'm open to a relationship, but then I you know, I've been very much in a place where I'm not opposed to relationship and I'm not not ready for one. I just don't have a pool to be in one and I still very much want to continuously explore and date and meet other people especially just because I moved here so making those connections and dating is a wonderful way to do that. And so it's it's kind of been, you know conscious but my the person that I'm seeing now, I'm You know, it's gravitating more towards that direction, but I still am very much in a place where I'm like, I'm good where I am and I think I want to stay right here right now are the two of you on the same page with that. Yeah. Yeah good. So there's open communication throughout the five months. You said that you guys have been seeing each other they are very open and communication, right? I have conversations about how you know, I also because I was Notorious for the other aspect is it of it is I am notorious for being in relationships and because of that I was always jumping right into a relationship and now I very much want to get to know somebody for an extended period of time before seeing them or like dating them exclusively and to me like it's around the three six month Mark of seeing each other before We are like, okay, let's be exclusive or like let's make this more serious because you want to make a good healthy decision for yourself after getting to know somebody very well. Yes, and he's very much on the same page of I need to get to know somebody and you know before jumping into something and because you don't really truly get to know somebody, you know a month in it and I've noticed in my dating experience this year. It takes about three months for me to finally see all of them. Oh shit, of course. We all have our shit. I have my shit but it's a matter of can I do with that shit because I'm not going to change you so I have to be able to accept what's here before. I like decide that I want to be with you jump into a relationship early on I might be like what the fuck is this after three months or so, but it's kind of my fault because I didn't really take the time to get to know them. Yeah, I can I can understand that completely. Absolutely. So right around that three month three month Mark is where our true colors start to come out if you're familiar with attachment Styles, that's when that's when avoidance which has to anxious and anxious switches to avoidant and some Tendencies from secure to one of those Polar Opposites can actually occur. Yeah. Yeah, very familiar with the attachment styles. That was one of the books. I read in the beginning of the year. To help me work through some of my stuff. Hmm. It's it's like probably required reading for every person on the planet my gosh. Yeah so much about yourself that that book Peg me. So well as an avoidant attachment style that I took away from it. All of the tools necessary to arrive back to secure. Yeah. So if you're casually seeing somebody for three to six months, do you feel any pull towards anxious avoiding or do you stay right with a secure attachment style that whole time so part of my healing actually, I worked with a guy who is a shadow worker for three months and a lot of what I wanted to work through was my anxious attachment and my quote unquote daddy issues and I've been known to date men who are exactly like my father which is not a good fit for me. And usually it's usually go toward avoidant people people who make me not to say someone makes me feel small but they bring out a lot of the same feelings that my dad brought out in me that feeling of like not worthy of like I lie. Something and constantly trying to get their validation and their approval and you know, as I worked through that I have made a commitment that I would not date people that way or who were who would bring that out in me or who were basically my father and this is the first person I've dated that I feel super secure with and does not remind me of my dad and any it by any means he's very secure. Iran compliment him on that a lot very secure in who he is very secure in a relationship and I feel secure in it because again, like I feel like it's the first relationship. I've been in that satin actually healthy attachment. And so I think because of that like naturally I just feel more secure and I also he has impeccable communication skills, and it's really nice because when I Do open up I feel heard. And so it makes a dramatic difference in how I show up in a relationship and you know, I don't know what's going to happen with us, but I am so grateful to have met him because I realized how important it is to be and like this really healthy Dynamic and to be with somebody who can have really great communication skills and who will be receptive and own up to their own shit. Like that's so so so important for me. Hmm. That sounds like Trending more towards the partnership you're looking for. Yeah, yeah or by definition the word partnership. Yeah comes for comes from at least one person being secure attachment style and then having a lot of Grace for the anxious or the avoidant. Yeah, so you're super open about sex sexuality and pleasure. Why do you feel that? Teaching others about self-exploration and pleasure is so important. So I because I struggled with body dysmorphia. I was at one at one point in my life. It wasn't that I didn't like sex they did like it but I didn't want to do it because I felt so uncomfortable in my body and a lot of that healing came from doing the Deep work that I do with my clients of helping them unpack all of that shame and all of that disordered and dysmorphic Vic type beliefs they have about themselves and then I as I, you know worked with my clients a big question that came up often was how do I feel comfortable in the bedroom? Because I feel calm starting to feel comfortable in myself, but I still feel uncomfortable in the bedroom and getting naked and you know them seeing all the perceived flaws and so I decided to dive more into the bedroom space and talk about feeling more confident in that. Aang and one of the tools that I encourage women to feel more comfortable in that space is to engage in self exploration because again just like in relationships when you love yourself that love overflows and all other aspects of your life and in your Partnerships, and when you feel confident in yourself that confidence seeps into your relationship with someone else and when you're feeling comfortable in your body, you're going to feel more More comfortable in a space with somebody else and I always like to tell my clients if you don't feel comfortable looking at yourself naked and touching yourself. How do you expect yourself to feel comfortable when somebody else does that to you? And so getting comfortable in the space by yourself touching your body seducing yourself doing all those things. I think are really important to want to get to know yourself better, which makes it easier to have better sex because now, you know how to communicate and tell them how to touch you because They're aspect is women have a hard time because their Partners not touching them. Right but they can't communicate with how to touch them. Right if they don't know how to touch themselves. So it's really just again coming back to feeling comfortable with yourself knowing yourself exploring yourself and figuring out all of the things that make you tick so that you can then bring that into the bedroom with somebody else and it just makes things all the more easier it's taking Ownership of your sexuality as a person and our orgasm is our own responsibility. Yes it is. Is that something that comes up for you and your community? Yeah, and one of the things I tell people is your pleasure is your responsibility and I work with a lot of women who will you know, Shane their Partners they never make me calm XYZ or I have to fake the orgasm and I'm like, well, that's not serving your partner. One if you're faking it because they're going to think they're doing a good job. And when you are engaging and a sexual experience with someone the way I decide if someone's enjoying themselves is through body language. And so if I can sense that they're feeling really good. I'm going to keep doing that thing. So if a woman's faking an orgasm you are affirming to that person keep doing that. Oh, that's not serving anybody. And it is again our responsibility because they don't know how we feel on her body. So we got to tell them how we're feeling. I've heard of this like from my from my female friends, you know, we're very open. We we talk about all things sexuality and I've almost heard that exact same comment come up time and time again. So how do we open the door to talking to our partner about our sexuality their sexuality and then the partnership that developed around that I think you know that really depends on the type of partnership you have because You know, if you're if you're if you're in a relationship, I think that sometimes it's easier to have those conversations versus if you're having a one-night stand right? So I think that one when we have these conversations about our sexuality or things that we'd like to explore with our partners one that should be a conversation outside of the bedroom because it can be really vulnerable conversation can bring up some insecurities in the last thing you'd want to do is bring up insecurities when you're already feeling super vulnerable. The other aspect is when you're in the bedroom when they're doing something right affirm it so, you know if it's a moan or if it's just like that feels really good because it's going to tell them to keep doing it or you know, just saying I really like when you do that or I really like when you touched me that way or this makes me feel really good because it's again letting them know. Okay keep doing that. It could be as simple as that, you know, if you want your partner to do something more. Just compliment how much you enjoy it when they do that and that can bleed over into other areas of our relationship as well. NASA. Wheatley can yeah, that's it. Sometimes we have like you put a lot of pressure on ourselves to have these conversations, but it can just be a casual like conversation. It doesn't have to be this like long scary conversation that's going to create some conflict, you know, and that conversation could actually likes Stir things up in like kind of a flirtatious way and get the ball rolling in the right direction of okay, let's start this conversation on the couch and then it moves or maybe it doesn't move from the couch. Maybe it it stays right there and you you and your partner get exactly what you discussed and what you wanted out of that conversation. Anyways in the physical act right away another like another question to ask is just like my partner and I just had this conversation recently. What does your masturbation look routine look like? How do you touch yourself? And I told him you know, I was like I really like when I push myself this way by blah blah blah blah and I was like, you know, I've had its previous Partners do it and I really enjoy it. And then next time we had sex you did it and I'm like, yeah it's and none of us have a roadmap for the other person's emotional needs or physical needs people always say that communication is the most important. thing in a relationship, but it can also be the most important thing in our sex life as well it is because the other aspect is we are also uniquely different and radically different and we all have different Kinks and different desires and different turn-ons and want to be touched differently, especially women because I'm bisexual and I explore with women and when I You doing that? I realized oh shit like this is what guys struggle. This is why they have a hard time finding the clinic because they're all so different and all women like to be touched differently and that's why communication is so important because you have to be able to tell your partner because you know, I've had Partners we like well my last partner like this and like cool but I am different human being and I like different things. I like that. Perspective so how can we bring in other flirtation methods like sexting to kind of like bring some excitement back into the bedroom or to Stir It Up in the first place? Hmm. Well one, you know, this is kind of like a little bit off of the question you asked but I think that women should do Boudoir shoots for not just you know, I think you could do it for your partner, but I think really doing it for yourself because my Variants with doing Boudoir shoots is that it's allowed me to channel my inner sexy and I think a lot of women have the fear to go into a Boudoir shoot because you're basically naked but I think that Boudoir is a type of different photography because you are asked to come as you are and to just show up authentically and your unique sexiness and when you look at those photos, you're just like, oh my God, like I look right. Right, and I've had many clients do that. I've encouraged them to do that or they're like, you know after month 1 if I you know commit to XYZ, I'm going to do a boot bar shoe and it just makes their confidence Skyrocket because they just get to see them truly radiating In Their Skin and when they can to see their sexy and a photo, I feel like sometimes it just allows them to bring that into the bedroom and it's just a beautiful, you know active just feeling sexy. with who you are and other things I think when it comes to just inviting and more sexy doing things that allow you to do that. So maybe it's dancing naked with your partner or maybe it's taking a pole dancing class. I recently did that. That's really fun or you know, taking some news for yourself or for your partner. Whatever it is that makes you sexy if you got it flaunt it. Yeah, absolutely. So if somebody loves your message and it With them today, what's the best way for them to get a hold of you? My Instagram Devon day Moretti or my website, which is Devon damer. Ready.com. Mom, well the same super simple. Yeah. Do you have anything special or big or an event coming up that you want people to pay attention to or I mean shoot your Instagram stories are full of amazing content. Yeah, I appreciate that. I do have a free guide called sex with the lights on which embodies self-confidence in the bedroom and I'm working on releasing new project which will come out very soon, which is An extension of that. So the best thing to do right now is to opt in and download that free guide and then you will get the latest update on when the other things come out awesome and if there's something that we didn't touch on today that you wanted to expand on or we didn't even start to talk about it. What would that be has helped me in my dating experiences and my clients and this is something that I do to help my clients feel more confident when they go on dating experiences and just really operating from a place of I am worthy of, you know, love and of all of the things that come with a relationship is often times we go on a date and we are sitting there like do they like me and we're constantly thinking about how they're perceiving us. And I think the best thing to do when you go on a date is to walk into it and ask yourself. Am I going to like this person? Because when you flip that script you just show up differently you want to get to know them and see if they're a good fit for you instead of feeling, you know, small its smallness and not feeling worthy enough. And is this person going to like me and trying to get that validation from somebody you don't even know that you'll like yeah, I can totally relate to that and it takes at least two or three dates to even say yes. Do I want another date after that? Oh, yeah. I recently had that. I like went on a date. And the first day I feel like sometimes the first state gives you like this. You just see things completely different. It's like this person is sort of Trapped above La second day in like, oh my God, what was I thinking in there before? I like to say keep your standards high and your squats low. Yeah. And so when you're going into a first date, you know what you're in charge you're in charge of whether or not this person earns or Deserves a second date with you. Absolutely, because your standards are set your values are set you've identified what your intentions are and you know that if they don't fit the don't fit what you're looking for, then don't force. It. Don't push a don't push for a bad second date don't have a scarcity mindset one dating. I think that's the key is like you had an abundant mindset when you're going in there trying to ensure that they qualify. Yeah. Absolutely. Oh, yes, always absolutely. Yeah. Well, thank you so much devenir. I know your time is very valuable and and I'll respect it. So what do you say in the next six to 12 months? We reconnect and when you're in Denver, I won't let you leave without getting together for at least coffee. Oh my God, absolutely. I would really like that. Okay. Well, thank you so much for having me. It was such a pleasure being on the podcast and talking about all these things and you ask such great questions. Thank you very much. I appreciate it. Yeah. Well, thank you.

On this week's episode, we welcome Devon Day Moretti, 3w2 on the Enneagram, who is an ISSA Personal Trainer and holds her ISSA nutrition cert to work with women to show up confidently—in their bodies, in their choices, and in their lives. She also host the popular podcast, Not Your Normal Womxn with Julia Parzyck, former guest on the podcast in episode Pure Joy. Living in San Diego, Devon or “Devi” to her friends, believes that fear of judgement, rejection, and not realizing how dope their authentic self is what holds them back in relationships. Today, we dive deep into her “Monogamish” relationship, eating disorder recovery, and why self-pleasure is so important. Today’s conversation is extra special for me because we step out of the norm and interview an Enneagram type 3, The Achiever, about relationships, casually dating, and monogamy. Please subscribe, rate, and review the podcast if you loved the interview today!

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We hope to spread the message that there is no one-size-fits-all. Approach to distance running now. Let's get to the show. Hello strong writer chicks. Welcome to another episode of SRC radio. I'm so thrilled to have Starla Garcia joining us. We have worked tooth and nail to get her on our podcast. So Starla welcome everyone. Thank you for having me. I'm excited. I know we've been like dry. So the gate and also joining us today. We have Elena welcome Elena. Hi. Hi strong Runner chicks. It's great to be here speaking. I'm with you all. So to give you a little bit of more background. Let's introduce Starla a bit more. So Starla Garcia is a registered dietitian in Houston, Texas and is currently training to qualify for the Olympic trials and at see IM in December, her current PR is 247 her journey to Wellness came after a battle after battle and eating disorder as a student athlete during her Collegiate years. She was pursuing her Master's in education with a concentration in health at the University of Houston yet. She was too Currently unhealthy physically mentally and emotionally her competitive nature and the pressure to perform as a runner let her to develop restricted eating habits, anorexia and engaging in excessive exercise. It wasn't until she sought help from a dietitian and therapists that are in her unhealthy obsession with nutrition. He could begin to heal that experience was a catalyst for her to set path to re-evaluate how she ate and develop a healthy relationship with food and exercise. Now her story is what fuels her mission to remove the lid. He believes and unproductive habit that men and women create around diet exercise body image and worthiness welcome again Starla and we're thrilled to have you thank you so much. That was perfect. I know you sent me this beautiful by owners it gosh. How do I condenser? So it captures everything that she's about so thank you. So with that being said, how did you get your start running? So I've been running since I was a kid, I was the middle child. Child, so it was the one thing that you know right away with your hitting your you have two siblings who are also girls you try to find like her own identity the way into that was me. I definitely did that and I received a lot of praise for a when I was younger and then I started taking it more seriously and more competitively when I was in middle school and then even in high school and you know continue to want to get better again almost a middle child, super typing Personality perfectionist when I was younger, so I definitely gravitated to it right away. Hmm. Do you think that type A personality helped you or was it a hindrance to you in terms of running will say I think it's definitely helped me. I think there's a lot of Runners who are definitely typing additive overachieving people. And so those are my kind of people I like being around people like that. So I think it definitely He holds me like especially because when you want to be a runner and I think when you're first getting into a you realize how much of the consistent habit it has to be and I think that's where I definitely thread was like making it consistent and like just knowing that because I knew that I wanted to be good and I wanted to be better and faster that I could definitely do. It was more attainable. I think because of my personality. Yeah, that's a great point. I think I agree with you though a lot of runners. You to be that type A personality and kind of fit into that like those railroad tracks of like keeping going the same way if that makes sense. But so I didn't mention this. I don't think in your bio. No, I didn't mention it. But you ran in College, correct? Yes. Sorry Ryan College. I University of Houston. So for about five years, I was there my four years of undergrad and my first year grad school gotcha and tell us a little bit about that experience. I thought experience it was very how do I say this? It was very interesting. I think when you're just like Collegiate athlete or a 21 or even like and other kinds of schools. It's a very unique experience. There's a lot of benefits to it. And then there's also like a lot of pressure and other things too that come along with him, but I always encourage like younger people who definitely want to be a Collegiate athlete like definitely try it. I think you know, Had some people like other teammates I had left at like decided to continue and I was their decision but I definitely feel like it's a unique experience and it was not anything horrible for me. I just I think I was going through a lot of the time but now looking back I was just so lucky because I had an eating disorder when I was there and I was just so well taken care of and I had so much support just from my teenage from like the staff there and I think just even financially Paying for my services. I just had an all-around great experience that I don't think I would have gotten anywhere else. As you said you had a lot of support from staff and teammates and coaches. How did how did you approach your teammates and coaches did they approach you or was this some about having any disorder with the something you opened up to them about or somebody Express like concern with you about? Yeah, so my eating disorder, so I had disordered eating Tendencies when I was in high school. Um, and then even like my first year of Collegiate racing think I was curve it a little bit but I was still like very ashamed of it and I think I don't really feel pain try to cover it up. But what ended up happening was right after my freshman year and after the summer I came back for my sophomore year. I was definitely thinner I had definitely lost a weight and I think it was just again with alkyl competitive nature that just like took over my life and Obsession wanting to just be better at it. So badly and body Compares and things like that that I just wasn't the same person even just like personality-wise. I was more irritable. I'm like depressed. I was in like as kind or like ask patient with my teenage. I was more controlling as well. I wasn't at like open and like fun and friendly speaking. That was definitely Just about right away to the coaches and then even to my teammates. So what happened was I think that was like displaying all of these behaviors and these moods and after a track session my coach was like hey, I think we should have like a Muscle Milk like what flavors do you guys want and that's all have went together to think he don't want to like put the focus on me. He wanted to like encourage everybody together to have something and so I just kind of like when with it and then when my coach left I was so anxious about this one drink like threw it away and I like got very upset about it. And I went to the locker room. I basically on random Locker like I couldn't handle the pressure to drink it and my teammates saw that and she had a disorder panic disorder when she was in high school. I had some it so she was picking up on all the signs in the behaviors right away. So she Into my coach and she told my coach would happen when he when he left and so then he he brought me at and he confronted me about it because I think you have a problem and I think at that point I was kind of like yeah, you're right I do so there was no more hiding it. I think they're push it in the safest way possible. I was definitely angry about it. But that was just the eating disorder being angry. Yeah. Thank you so much for sharing that Starla. Thank you. I know it's not easy to always open up. But for a lot of people that's something that we need to hear and not even for some people who might have an eating disorder, but I fear that teammate to because props to your teammate for going into sharing something with your coach because that's definitely not easy thing to do at all. Yeah. Yeah, and it's funny because I've had a lot of people ask me like, you know, how do I approach my teammate or how do I approach my friend my family member and like there's not a right way and like be prepared for like a push back. Like I always tell them, you know, they're not going to be happy about it. But when they're on the other side like they're going to be thanking you and like that's have to deal if you see that they're going to be better because of it. That's yeah. Yeah. Yeah, definitely and that's something that's hard being a teammate you want to have that trust with your teammate, but then you may not for a little bit there. But as you said on the other side, that's something that you are really thankful for exactly and I think also like after a certain point like it was no like I couldn't hide it anymore like Like there was just it was just so apparent. So it was either like he like living like that or like be open and tell people about admit to it and receive help or like, you know, just kind of push people away and then I would just continue to be lonely. So there was definitely a point where you know, I'm glad that they that they thought and they caught on. Yeah definitely were there some things outside of running during this time that were able to help you find a little bit more meaning Our worth in during the time that helped out. Um, you know, that's a really good question. I haven't really thought about that like kind of a distraction. I think if anything it was. I think schoolwork just kind of helped a little bit more. But then again I was also I'm also like the type A personality. So it was like I put a lot of pressure on myself to you to study hard. So how is really hard and it was I would say the school work was one of the main things that suffered a lot but I think like I tried to be really involved. Actually. I didn't want to just do like running. I wanted to be more involved and I wanted to like there is this like yearning for? Relationships beyond my running ones. I think that was probably something that I'm glad that I did because I met other people who are not athletes at all and those kind of relationships to so I was like involved in other groups and it was it mainly also realize like my behaviors are not normal even like among athletes. I don't know. I think that was probably good too because I wanted to be a normal person and I want to learn how to Not always be an athlete saying there was going to be a time where it wasn't always going to be an athlete either. That's good. That's that's a really important thing to mention because I think a lot of people I was a division one athlete in college as well. And I think that's something like realizing that you're not always going to be an athlete. That's something that you don't always think about in that moment. So Props to you for thinking about that and realizing that and building those relationships during that time because that's really helpful. Thanks. What did you do as a division 1 athlete I was at Cross country Runner as well. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I love style you said about reaching out to others and actually seeing that in like seeing that your behaviors were normal through those other people's relationships and it's and I say that with a little bit of a caveat to because like I don't want people to compare their behaviors to others like there could be some turkey lines like Blurred Lines there, but I agree because I went through over. Recovery of an eating disorder and like going out to people and seeing like normalized eating. I was like, oh, oh, oh like you like in recognizing like my behaviors are not normal and then even through the recovery period recognize it like going out to eat with people with so helpful to kind of just like normalize just eating together and just like having a plate of food in front of you and that like it's something that everybody does. So I appreciate you saying that and also hearing you yearn for those relationships because it meant that there was a Swanton drive to get better. So with that being said, I'm curious like how what steps did you take to overcome your eating disorder? And how how did that shape kind of your you moving forward with this? I think there was definitely like I wanted to get better like that was one thing. I don't mean like if anybody that's hearing this is going through one or like has disordered eating Tendencies and like you're in a place where you're not sure if you want that for yourself yet, but for me personally, like I just knew that when I got to the other side that there was maybe something bigger than me that's going to come out of Like I just like felt that and I knew it and I knew that like if I got better than I had to make something out of it too. So that was kind of like the one thing that I think really drove me to get better as well. Like I had to and I think that's also like maybe the overachiever and me like I have to overcome this thing. I have to get better or else nothing else in my life is ever going to get better too. Yeah. I think they're happy stew it. It and I worked with a therapist a lot. I had actually had like three therapists. So this is also very I think interesting to when people seeking help for this just because your place with that first person and like that's a really important relationship to you. It's like probably the most important relationship. I think you'll ever have other than maybe your significant other and yourself because in that moment that time you were sober Vulnerable to all kinds of information and if you have the right therapist that can definitely set you back or I think maybe make you feel like you're not going to get better, but I was just so lucky because I had gone to the school of H has like counseling services for free and then after a point, I think you came like maybe like two dollars per session like he was like ridiculously accessible for students. So I was pleased with the woman. In and if she was in her PhD program and I saw her she was my very first therapist and I stuck with her for like a year and a half and finished the program and then she told me she was going to leave and it was like the most like it's like you were breaking out like he crying: like so it was so hard. I went on summer break and I saw another dance therapist and she was also a dietician to which is also interesting. So I saw her and we had a good relationship. But just like wasn't the same I went back to school in the fall again, and then I worked with another therapist and I was just not opening up like it was just not happening and I think that they're happy as could tell that I was just so like rigid and I was not like there was like no like I don't want to say like no love for her, but it was just like I just didn't feel that same connection. And so I got kind of like kicked out and so I like left and then I saw my other day. My other therapist again, and then that's when the athletic program stepped in and helped me pay for her to but that and then I went through like for dietitians as well. I'm like four different dietitians - help. The one that I really liked but she moved and so I couldn't see her again and she was too far and then one of them went on maternity leave so then she had to lean and then like the other two. I was just like not making progress with and it's not like I was expecting myself to like Be like gaining weight or getting more comfortable. I think there is also like connection pieces that just like weren't doing it for me eventually. So that was also really interesting part of my I guess my professional help to get better and then other things that I did to were again, like I think yearning for other relationships outside of Athletics. That was a big piece because I wanted to create I guess I think I also just wanted to figure out who I was Like what who were at Starla was without running and his trailer was without the eating disorder like what I like like what were those like things that made me tag? I spent a lot of time alone as well just to figure out who I was and so I think I like listen to a whole bunch of music read a whole bunch of books and I would like read a whole each of logs because I think I will have is real like becoming a thing and so I read a whole bunch of blogs and their blogs. I like stuck out to me that really helped me. There was like Oh She Glows was one of like the biggest blogs. So I read her blog and she actually went through like disordered eating too and that helps me like relates her a lot. There's also Kathy's real food. So can't eat like everything and she looked blog about all her meals all the time and I was like, wow, that's why I put All real balanced food looks like so like it seems blogs that I remember that made such an impact on like my recovery. So things like that and we were also thinking like maybe I'll start a blog and do something like that to and like help people. So I think that was also feeding back into it. Like I have to overcome to sing like it's possible. Yeah. I think those are things that definitely helped in my recovery. That's awesome. And you also through all the different people you see in the relationships you made you are very active. In the process because that's something some people may not have that drive or as your the mindset you had a this is a new thing overcome. It's a new challenge to get after and be come to the other side of and that's something that for somebody who for somebody else that might be dealing with an eating disorder. That might be tough to have to deal with all those different people moving people leaving different life situations, but you stuck with it and I think for anybody else listening it's something that you have to Be active in and really you yourself have to want to overcome it exactly because you know, I've talked to clients and patients to when I was in the hospital is that did have eating disorders and I wanted to help them so badly like because I wanted that I wanted so I wanted them to experience recovery. I wanted them to figure out and feel what it was like to feel like the way I felt every day and like without worrying and not having the anxiety. T and I so badly for them but there was just so much fear and untrust with themselves and their body their decisions and like they just were stuck and it was also like I was trying to be so patient to so every time I would see them it was just also like applying my own patients with them all the time, but there was always like I would always verbally tell them like, you know I hope that you don't think that I'm pushing you but I just like want recovery for you and I think possible. So even if like maybe they weren't feeling like they could do it. Like I wanted to still plant that seed every time it's hard because I felt like that. I mean, you know, I had a really low point. I was very depressed. I was always isolated. I know I was always alone, but I think I think I just always wanted a better life to for myself. I wanted to really get better as well and you have to write it down or firm it about yourself in a better place. And I think those things you helped me a lot and I think running was like a good way to also visualize that too because and running you have to visualize yourself finishing doing well. How's the race going to turn out? What do you do something goes bad and I think that's for running really prepared me to be able to lie. Kind of navigate like my eating disorder a lot better. Yeah. I think I like maybe a lot of people don't really talk about but because running can definitely keep the eating disorder, but I think mentally it just really helps me Advocate that a lot more. Yeah. Thank you. I wanted to jump back really quickly because I also want to point out for those who are listening that when you go like that choice to recover. There's like a fear associated with it, right? So like If you're listening like you're scared to recover we hear you because it's something that is super scary because you're taking away usually of come something that's actually comforting to you. So I also want to point out that as much as we are sitting you're advocating for it and saying like yes, like like you can do it. It's also like a very scary thing. So I also want to point that out because it is, you know, a really tricky thing to navigate but knowing that you know, you have two people here who have overcome it and can you know relate to that? I think it's really important to and I'm glad also Starla that you point out that running did seem to have played a role in your ears your Ed recovery process because like you said it's a very tricky line to play around with like can this like client or patient or whatever dive a little bit deeper into running or do they really need to take like a step back and figure out who they are outside of running and who they are outside of their eating disorder and then see if even running is appealing to them because it may have just been a way for them to utilize exercise. And maybe a manner that wasn't appropriate for their body. So because I think all they're all like sorts of viewpoints that matter here. So thank you for mentioning that and kind of I don't know just bring that to light into surface. So let's dive. I'm kind of curious. I want to dive a little bit more into your running. And so with that being said what helped you find and enjoy running again because we mentioned in your bio that You like exercise might have been something that was a bit excessive for you at times. So, how did you find that that line? That was like, okay. I'm ready to dive back into it for myself rather than for the eating disorder or anything along those lines. Yeah. So I guess this is a good stick Facebook you talked about like how running helped helped me navigate that and how did I you know, maybe figure out those lines of like excessiveness and then helpfulness, but After I finished Collegiate racing and like 2013 top five finish my fifth year. I you know, I didn't have anyone eligibility. I still had another year of grad school to go through and I was like, well, you know, what do I do now? Like everything I've done has been always like Collegiate and racing and I was just like I still really like running and like how do I realign myself and I kind of I figure out my values and how do I figure out my goals? With not like my adult life. Yeah. Now there's no for college not like like so I just kind of like I want to say took time away because I finished in May and them into and I was like signing up for my first marathon, but what I did and how I approach that I think has really helped me now, and I'm so glad I did it when I was just like I just want to know and I just want to experience what a marathon is like a half marathon experience that In all I knew was that I enjoyed being out there and I was now at a healthy place of my body to you know, getting like my cycle back and I was eating enough to support it and I was like, I just want to know what this is like and I think I was also searching for a new experience with running with was like no like to find time for me. Like there was no set time that I had to hit and I also wanted to know no, like I think just I think I was also just searching for something like spiritually to about it when I figure out like I just wanted to know what it was going to be like for me in a marathon. Like what did that feel like not paying wise but what was what was it going to feel like and so when I trained for that, I just kind of like trained very like casually I don't judge you like 45-minute run Sixty Minute Rice. Friends dinner really look at pays like I had a watch but it would just like restart after the our like the Casio watch very janky didn't have a Garmin. I didn't know what pieces I was rampant. All I knew was that I was ready for this amount of time. And then that was it and I'll just cut it off. How would you long runs me like an hour and a half maybe two our I think I did two hours once and just kind of stick to my routine and outside of running high was like also, Learning who I was as an adult. So I would like I think after college because I'd been so stringent. I just like went a little bit crazy. Like I just like had a lot of fun with my friends. I figured out like one of the things I like to do and stuff like that and I was still going to grad school and I had a job. So I was also pretty busy with that. So running was there but it wasn't the center part of my life anymore. Like it wasn't college and I ended up running really well. Well, I didn't even know like the Boston qualifying time. I called hyper Boston off my first one and I finished and I was like that was so great. I can't make them do that again. Like I enjoyed the experience so much. I didn't even know Paces nothing. I didn't even know what pays I had to have to be cute none of that. And I know that that's a very privileged like thing that I have that I could just do that, but it just really opened up like a whole new. Or for me of running and like what was possible and that I actually enjoyed the process of just running a not actually having like goals with it. I just enjoyed like just running and so I actually got injured right after that. I kind of like a hip injury and never fracture or anything like that. I didn't pull I think I think I just have a lot of built-up inflammation from all the years of running. So I took like a year off and then I got my dietetic license. It's dinner really burn too much. I have their through my dietetic license because I was so focused on school work first and then what and then after that around my second marathon in 2017 random minute faster than my first one stole super happy trained the same way dinner really like care about during workouts. None of that didn't you tempos and nothing just ran and then I was and then I was going to do boss. I did Boston 2018, so everybody knows Boston 2024 18 is like a creepy old there's and I've actually really glad I finally drink for that. So I think at that time I was like, okay, I have like my licensure. I have like most of my adult things that I need a copper done now finish prepping for it. So it's kind of like a nice place to just kind of come back and be like, okay now I have time energy. I've been in recovery for this amount of years now. I think it's time to actually train again maintained from January 2018 to April 2018 for Boston and I hadn't done a single track workout. Nothing since I finished in 2013 and I remember being at the track the first time again, I was like I haven't done this in like five years. What am I doing here and within a month, it just felt like very normal again for me to do that and I loved it too. So I was like, I think I can definitely continue to train I run a little bit faster. So I pr it on the go. Of course, I think out of a miracle it was such a miracle. Wow one piece and that I actually PR did I think I did I really get 3:15. And so I was very very happy that I had finished first. And then I was like even more excited because I actually Pete art on that thing. So just like okay if I had such crazy things that I couldn't control what happen if I trained And I took care of my body and I had a great day like everything was set up like what could happen and I found out last year at Sea. I am 28 2018. Yeah, I just like kind of 253 and I was like, okay, I guess I'm going to take you now. Wow, that's awesome. Yes. It was that was also a huge surprise. I was just wanting to break 3 hour and my friend was kind of like I think you're deadly gonna do that. And I was like, well, I don't know who knows like I just said hoping that I you know can do it. So yeah, I think it's just been very like humbling to think like where I was at 20 in 2018. But like where I am now, I think just like having a healthy body and like a healthy mindset like how much that can give you and runny and I think people definitely look over those two things. We things like grind grind grind grind. Run and like yes, you have to do that. But you also need to take care of your body first and I'll grab your mindset to you. I think that's been one of the biggest things that I have done this time around and didn't again like track rounds are going to be out there all the time, but I think just like taking care of those two things was like what really set me up for like cin last year because I was just so like wanting to stay healthy and to make sure that I was taking care. Care of my body and that you know just didn't have any like questions there wasn't any pressure and I was just really out there because I was like, okay, like I'm just gonna have fun today, you know, you could feel the excitement last year the guy like I wasn't even not getting the top hundred or anything like that. It was just like he could just feel the excitement and I think just like catching on to that and like how you know, the internal feelings I think is really important. And I think like whenever I'm talking to new renders in the like why I'm always so nervous and I just like that's a good thing and that's how I this is how I perceive it is like when I'm nervous and I'm a little bit like jumping that's just my body telling me that something's about to happen and it's just waiting to like Let Go it just kind of like that if anybody's listening and like they're a little bit nervous about the upcoming race. Just think about it in that way. You're like your body's just ready for you to like Yourself flow I love that. Yeah, you did that's really clever. And so and I love your story about how like just naturally you came to running like you're just like here I am. I'm going to just kind of have fun with it and enjoy it and I'm just like love that so much because I can relate wholeheartedly like I did run in college when I started running after college. I was just like I'm going to try to do this and see how much fun it is and see how we do with it. And I had never done a track worker out or anything like that. Adam so I can relate somewhat to that story. So even though you had a background in it, but I love how natural it is and then also watching you talk about it. The joy that's on your face is like so pure and just so it did like I couldn't help it. You probably saw me smiling I couldn't help but smile when you were talking about it. So I'm super excited for your upcoming race. But unfortunately, we are a little bit short on time. So with that being said we kind of want to wrap up. We usually have two questions that we'd like to wrap up with. So the first one is what is currently making you drive. I would say right now. I don't want to say I guess like a little bit of my training is just like my consistent thing like it's always been a consistent part of my life since I was a kid and so if it's not there like I don't feel like my highest self, but it always makes me Thrive but when I don't have running or like if I have a rest day, I definitely enjoy and I love I absolutely love like Like working with new runners or like people who are like trying to break a two hour and a half like that is so exciting and I think that's why sometimes oh, yeah, like I guess not that like I'm much faster but it's like it's really fun to just like hear their excitement to and like how much fun that they're having because I never might seem like yeah, like what I do is actually like a really fun hobby to have to be serious. So Like always like reminds me of like the excitement and the joy like when you're doing something for the first time like I want to break two hours and they're like, well, I'm hoping to do I don't like well that's like legitimate time if that's what that's why I like your body's doing like there's nothing to be like scared or embarrassed or fearful of like that's a really exciting thing. Like how would you feel if you broke two are on the like one willingly I would be really excited and I'm like, okay. Well then let's think about that. That for the next session and what can we do to get you there? And so I'm not just like I guess a dietitian that works like a with just nutrition. So I really like to like figure out what makes an excited about it because they're not going excited about it. Then they're not going to do their nutrition right or they're not going to feel well and also making them feel worthy of that to our things. I think that's a big piece with running is like you have to believe that you have to feel like you're of value and worthiness for that time. Then when it's really tough and it when it's tough out there and it's hard even if it is a two hour or like, you know, are you going to have that extra little push to get you there? Yeah, when people come to me for that but kind of stuff. It's just like will be fun to help them like uncover that piece to know and so I think that our lab because we are so short on time. I wanted to look apart to it. Because I feel like they're hungry. We got really deep into like your background stuff like that. But I want to talk more about like what you're doing now and how you like to help athletes and how athletes might be able to reach out to you. If you have like spots open and then kind of where you hope to go and kind of anything else we can cover. So with that being said, I guess the question I'll ask now is how can others connect to you and like what services do you offer in the last like minute we have so people can find me on my Instagram. Stralla underscore Shines My my Instagram. My website is www.seannal.com and people can just send me a message. Usually, I'll reply like right away. I'm pretty good about it, like on my social media and then Services I have are like different plan options like for session a session and then helping people with like they're feeling strategy awesome. Well, thank you Starla so much for joining us. It was a really great podcast and I feel very honored that you shared your story with us because like Elena said, sometimes it's really tricky to talk about and done. We do appreciate it for all those who are listening who can really am and who are willing to take the next step to recover. So SRC listeners. Look forward to Part 2 because I think we might have to have another but Starla thank you again so much. No problem. Thank you so much for having me on today was a lot of fun. Thank you Starla. Thank you. Thanks for listening to this strong Runner chicks radio do us a favor and leave a review in iTunes to help spread awareness and Foster the SRC Community additionally make sure to follow us on Instagram Facebook or Twitter at strong run chicks.

Starla Garcia, is a Registered Dietitian in Houston, Texas and is currently training to qualify for the Olympic Trials at CIM in December. Her current PR is 2:47. Her journey to wellness came after battling an eating disorder as a student athlete during her collegiate years. She was pursuing her Master’s in Education with a concentration in health at the University of Houston, yet she was secretly unhealthy physically, mentally, and emotionally. Her competitive nature and the pressure to perform as a runner lead her to develop restrictive eating habits, anorexia, and engaging in excessive exercise. It wasn’t until she sought help from a dietitian and therapist that her unhealthy obsession with nutrition could begin to heal. That experience was the catalyst that set her on the path to re-evaluate how she ate and develop a healthy relationship with food and exercise. Now her story is what fuels her mission to remove the limiting beliefs and unproductive habits that men and women create around diets, exercise, body image, and worthiness. --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast.

Fellow fiends, welcome to another terrifying and delectable episode of nightmare on film straight the horror podcast with zero credibility, but all of the blood ghouls. And Gore your puny heart can handle let's give a grave Welcome to our hosts John and Kim. Hello again fiends and welcome to nightmare on film street. I'm Kim. I'm John and this week. We are talking pet cemetery and Child's Play. That's right. It's a double feature head-to-head of tiny Terrors 1.0 1.0. Okay, because both of them are getting remakes this year. Yeah, that's true and everybody's excited about one of them. I wanted to revisit both of these movies this year. That's kind of why it made it onto the podcast late because I was I'm very familiar with pet cemetery. And for some reason we never seem to watch the first Child's Play movie. We always watch the sequels. So I wanted to revisit the whole franchise Beginnings. Yeah. It was fun before we get into this week's episode though. What is keeping? You creepy John? Well one real small bit of news that just came out has me very creepy. I want to say excited but it's what's keeping me creepy all is it what's keeping me creepy guys Lee wouldn't now co-creator of the saw franchise of Insidious writer-director of upgrade is doing a new Invisible Man movie and I could not be more excited about it. I'm optimistic. We have been burning through these Universal classic monsters movies. That's a mouthful and I love the Invisible Man my only issue is that so smartly Universal has decided Dark Universe disbanded. Yeah, we're not going to do that big. Action adventure world because obviously everyone hated it and now they're kind of they're doing the monsters but they're doing individual films. So there's like no pressure my my issue at least with the Dark Universe they decided and they stamped it with a direction that people didn't understand but there was a cohesion that they had planned on. Yeah, and I'm worried now that there's going to be less cohesion because they're only going to look at like what's directly in front of them and right now was directly in front of them. M is the Invisible Man not to say that all these films need to fit together and like a fluid Universe. Like I don't want to have the Avengers Universal monsters. Nope, but I want them all to be horror films and I want them all to be monster movies. They might be look who's directing the Invisible Man I said, I am optimistic but cautiously so because they haven't announced any of the other ones and who's to say that Blum House Is Not on those who's to say that they are not horror director. I remain optimistic. I'm sure what happened is they look shape of water and they said guys the fuck if we had just decided to do these one off stories. That could have been our Creature from the Black Lagoon. That would've been great. That would have been amazing. Can you imagine like you're slowly building this Arsenal directors that are the redoing the universal monster movies. It's likely 1l and Guillermo del Toro. Well, I heard that they're not going to be the traditional baumhaus budget. So I mean they could have Word Guillermo if they use that Universal money, that'd be so great. If he actually got to do the creature movie. Which one would you pick for Guillermo del Toro? Oh bride of yeah, that's probably your best choice antic you need to give him something romantic. Oh, that's so true. You gotta give them a romance. You got to give them some love you want to give them you want to give him some love that he can just take away from yeah, so probably Wolfman man. Yeah wanted to do Frankenstein. I think well, here's he would I bet he would steampunky. He likes gadgets and gizmos. I want to gamble Del Toro to do the house of Frankenstein. I wanted to do the first movie where they're all together. I think he could handle that. We're not doing Avengers joke, okay my mistake but it's gonna go there. We know it's gonna go there providing that they're all part of the same. I don't want to say universe again aesthetic. Yeah. Well, hopefully they're not I would love a bunch of one-off movies with just some really cool re-imaginings of these monsters. Not that we need it, but if you got the right person Person behind it to get me interested in the project. I am totally for it and I am very excited to see what we want o has to do me too. I think it's gonna be an amazing movie regardless. I was worried about what's next what it all means. Where does it fit? Yeah, lots of them. Yeah because our we are they going to do another mummy movie or they going to Nix the Tom Cruise mummy and they going to re-release the motor. Mummy Brendan Fraser like yeah, he's you could be the moment this time. But so what else between the last time we talked to you guys and now glass also came out so we saw glass sure did I don't think either of us were like all that excited for it. Neither of us are big into superhero movies. Obviously you have learned. Yeah. It was okay. Yeah. Alright that's exaggerating. I didn't like it but it wasn't for there's no sense being mean about I'm not being mean. I know I know I'm saying that's the tone the two of us are putting. Just shrugging her shoulders a bit. Yeah, some people really like it. I'm told I just don't think it added anything to Unbreakable and to bring unbreakable into the split story at the 11th Hour this movie. I don't think did either of the film's Justice. I think we've only taken away from what I'm breakable did. Yeah every step like with with split with glass. But yeah, like unbreakable succeeded in being the only superhero film that not only got my attention but like holds up. We revisit it before seeing glass. It is wonderful. It is amazing. It is a brilliant piece of Cinema and it's one of em, Ajay Milan's best films definitely had a lot more to say about it when we were fresh out of the theater. If you'd like to read review, it's over it anyway Fest podcast.com, but just I feel like I've I've said I need to say that that movie either online or two people and I'm I will say the score was super spooky. Yeah, okay, I get I'll get your ass. It didn't fit the movie. I thought it was way too dark for what the movie was but felt really horror, so I would not be surprised if M Night Shyamalan has a horror movie up his sleeve. Oh, I'd love to see you like he's writing in the world of horror right now because glass was not a war movie at all, but the music cues and I don't know it felt like it was trying to be spookier than it was which means somebody has a whore on the brain. That's all I'm saying. I'm down for that. So I'm saying yeah another movie that's not necessarily a hundred percent up our alley polar came out which had one of us really excited to see Mads Mikkelsen an eye patch. Why cause he's yeah screaming. Okay, is that like in a strolling kind of eating people way do you secretly? Oh, yeah, but where the iPads fascinated come from and can I It's not just you. It's the whole internet. Everybody was like, oh my God many cycles and iPads. This is so great. Like I don't I don't know where that obsessions. Come is the eye patch. I think it's the I don't know what it is. I have no answers. I don't know you've stars in your eyes right now. Yeah. So polar was a really interesting film. Also that's on Netflix. Now if you want to check it out. It's this really Shoot Em Up action. It's also like a comic book movie. It's adapted from Graphic novel. It's a graphic novel movie. My bad. I wasn't trying to correct you. I just read the credits at the end of the movie. I didn't know that I wasn't going into it. Like I hope they don't butcher my favorite graphic novel. I knew nothing about this movie. So ever. Yeah, it felt a little Indie very confined to its set sort of thing. Like the scenes were really like compartmentalised. But the fashion was really cool. The eye patch was great and the set design and stuff was cool and the characters were Interesting and it was just a kind of a wild movie. We also watched the Ted Bundy tapes over last week which everybody in the world has been binging leading up to extremely Wicked shockingly evil and vile. Oh, you think you got it with Zac Efron? Obviously, it's the Ted Bundy biopic and the Ted Bundy tapes is made by the same director and it is a docu-series also on Netflix. I think it's a four-part series like Sia documenting Ted Bundy's Reign of Terror. After his arrest his second arrest his third arrest and then his trial you say that like he was arrested and and beat the charges as managers kept escaping prison. Yeah, he's a crazy dude. I advise you if you haven't checked out the his Wikipedia and stuff in a little bit if you haven't read up on him to not and let the documentary kind of fill you in because it's really crazy. Yeah, and we also get a lot of it in his own words in third person. Yeah, I think what's probably the most interesting thing about Ted Bundy and there's kind of a lot of controversy right now because everybody's talking about how dreamy Zac Efron is in the role and that it's it's kind of doing the victims of disservice because it's glamorizing this serial killer but people are forgetting the most interesting thing about Ted Bundy is he comes from the line of serial killers where he's the first kind of of his kind. He was educated. He had a college education. He represented himself in his trial. He was charismatic. Attic, he was a chameleon he fit in conversations. He was eccentric and serial killers weren't that Suave people didn't expect societies people to be serial killers. So he was kind of like a wolf in sheep's clothing. So I think that's what's so fascinating about him is he opened people's eyes to stranger danger in your own backyard. Yeah, and it's like that type of person didn't exist before him. It's just this was the first time people were able to see it today. It's To see the actual footage. I mean like you're probably familiar with gifs. You've seen Clips here and they're used in whatever documentary about any criminal. But yeah, it's really unsettling to hear his voice describing the things that he's done and also seeing him a court. I think those smiling and appropriately. Yeah, we even you're watching him play a game of people. Yeah, and it's just like what what are you what? Yeah, but I mean is to say that we're doing a disservice by glorifying Ted Bundy in the new film is interesting. Because to say how dreamy Zac Efron is as that character kind of says that it's perfect casting because he's supposed to be charismatic and handsome. He's supposed to be all of those things that were saying about Zac Efron right now. So that's that's an interesting choice and I think he's really interesting filmmaker as well. He you're probably really familiar with his work. He's done the Paradise Lost documentaries, but those West Memphis kids that went to jail because they listen to heavy metal and he also directed Blair Witch to Book of Shadows. Yes. It's a career right there real career. That is a really interesting. He's flip-flopping from documentaries tip, but it's all like it's your films. Yeah, lastly. We do want to say thank you to our most recent patrons. I want to give a really quick. Shout out to Alexandra Casey Sean and Angel. I just want to say I'm record that we had a live stream the other day and these people kicked our butts and horror trivia with a 15-second delay, Maybe. Not specifically Alexandra Casey Sean an angel, but the patrons were there and they were answering questions. Whatever we didn't get them and Trivial Pursuit rules. You get question, right you get to roll again and they whomped us kicked our butts. Yeah. Yeah. So if you're listening and you were there congratulations, you know quite a bit of a horror movie you can find that live stream and all of the bonus mini episodes that we record for each of these episodes including this. On at patreon.com slash Nightmare On Film Street, where we also have the secret to life after death. Now, there are two ways. I don't like I probably shouldn't say this to you here on the show. But I mean, I really enjoy your company and I'm glad you're here. There are two ways to to achieve life after death. Everyone knows this one doll Voodoo to burying yourself and your pet cemetery every this is just common knowledge people and do with it what you will just know you'll either be you'll either find yourself melted into a pool of plastic and a toy factory or killing your loved ones. That's enough of that. I shouldn't be sharing these secrets. I've said too much already. Let's get on with the show. Let's talk about Tom Hollands Child's Play. Everyone knows most accidents happen at home. How did that happen? This is no accident. I'm Detective Mike Norris homicide Miss Peterson's death Berkeley. She fell from the kitchen window. Someone's moved in with the Berkeley family. So as Terror No One Believes the truth. For lifts to tell it there's nothing nice about murder and there's nothing innocent. About Child's Play So Child's Play from 1988 currently sitting at a six point six out of ten on IMDb a 67 percent on Rotten Tomatoes three out of four from Roger Ebert and a three point two out of five on letterboxed Chucky. Did it good job. He has some good ratings there. Yeah people love Chucky, right? Yeah, I guess years at here. The thing that I think we need to like really separate though is that there is there's a Chucky world and there's a child's play world is there I think so. I guess that's so true because this Chucky in Child's Play is bad and not devious. Whereas the later Chucky movies. He's like a little Scamp who has a knife. Yeah a little murderous camp like you could just as easily put devil horns on them. I mean you'd be like, oh I got it. Okay. He's obviously Full little devil, but is he more lethal later in the franchise? I think we're like just blowing past this home and we're just like Chucky as a concept. But this Child's Play Chucky exist in a world where Chucky isn't a legacy or whatever exactly. So he's very goal-oriented. He really only needs to kill a couple people as Chucky but then I'm obviously doesn't work out and he's checking forever. Yeah. Yeah. It's like the first two movies. He's really he's got something he needs to get done. It's not about body count like it's Necessarily a slasher film. Whereas the later the later Chuck he's become these like fun quasi. / he's you know what? I mean it is it does become about body count and fun freely ways to even the second one to uh to a degree but he like he's still trying to get something done. Yeah rid of the people and well in the pizzazz comes from the toy factory. Yeah Pizzazz is all the fun ways to kill Chucky. Whereas like later in the franchise has all the fun ways that Chucky kills other people. Yeah. It's why I I was really excited to do this episode and why I'm excited to talk about it because it's really hard to well one. I haven't I haven't re-watched the original Child's Play in a really long time and it's really hard to get rid of all of the other movies to just throw them out of your head while you watch this one because your imprinting so much of the the Chucky we know now on that original movie. Yeah, and we'll we have the box set of the Chucky films. So whenever we end up watching them it always happens to be New Year's. Some reason I think it's just that like the thing. It's like a lazy sort of you. You're just gonna watch movies all day. You grab a box set. It's always Child's Play for some reason and we we end up watching like all of them. But well, here's the thing there that box at the we have doesn't have the first one. So it very rarely do we end up watching that first one? It's we start with two and we just go through them. When was the last time you watched like OG Child's Play 1988. Mmm. I don't know because I didn't remember any of the opening stuff. Yeah, so a while. Yeah, it is unlike the rest of the entire franchise but the blueprints there for it and it's Chucky's attitude. I think because the movie takes the subject matter very very seriously. We are supposed to be terrified for this family. Yeah Chucky isn't silly in this one. He I see I don't know though. I if he feels a little silly, but I think that's the other movies like I'm remembering the other movies and I'm just imprinting them on I mean there's this There are elements of this movie that are silly but like Chris Sarandon is not laughing. No and detective Norris isn't laughing. Yeah, Catherine Hicks is chair of tiny Footprints little Hammer like I love but nobody's laughing. It's very serious like ugly doll in the elevator. Nobody's laughing like it's interesting how it's such a funny concept. It's as if they did leprechaun and just Zapped all of the humor out of it and we're like we're just going to pretend that he is Jason Voorhees, he is 8 feet tall and he is ready to kill ya the scenes play out exactly as though like a real-life killer is in them. Anyway just happens to be a doll. Hmm. I think that's really where it's at. The opening is so bizarre. Like we just get right into the weirdness right away because you open right into an action sequence but like a cop action sequence. It's like a getaway. Do we know what they're getting away from or I think robbing something where they rob somebody I don't I get the impression that it was some sort of Thing like they had set it up because they're on the radio like Charles Lee Ray the Strangler. He's going down the street. We gotta get them. Like they know who the rat what's serial killer has a getaway driver the yeah, Jack the Ripper. I don't know why I said that like it was a fact what I know. It can't be using this up. Are you saying the horse? He got away on. No, he sure he'll surely he had a carriage man. But but yeah, what kind of serial killer has a getaway driver? None of them. I think that's why we immediately assume bank robbery. Yeah, you have a getaway driver for a bank robber always. Yeah worst getaway driver though. He's got nerves of spaghetti as soon as things look rough. Like his buddy is 10 feet from the guards gotta go and then he does what you do when you when you need to become a skill or doll by the end of the sequence you break in to break into a toy store. I don't even know if he broke into the toy store on purpose. I think he just broke into a toy store because when he comes across Good Guy doll it occurs to him like hey, wait a minute. I might be able to like at least like the look on his face. There isn't a whole ton of dialogue saying no, it's all supposed to just be happenstance. Like he's dying. He's like, oh thank God. I know this Voodoo what this is the only movie where we excuse like. Oh thank God. I Novo do like when could you ever have that situation again in a movie and not have an entire audience go that's sloppy. Well lick later in the movie. He has like a shaman sort of friend who kind of hates them. Yeah. Thank God. You tell me all that Voodoo Rick. Hi. Like you are an Abomination like why don't you tell a serial killer the voodoo to possess another be well, I think I didn't know it was a Strangler at the time. I don't think so. I think I think he was just like a pupil of his beforehand and then he became a strangle. Well, it was like Charles Manson when he was in his acting face. Yeah. Yeah when he wanted to make it in Hollywood, he had a he had a good face Brad door young Brad. Dourif had to be like a Charming Man. That's how he got his his victims clothes. So after some almond is lightning and some hibbity jibbity food. Ooh, yep, toy store explodes. Well, yeah lightning shoots down and hits him. I guess that lightning strikes and destroys nothing nothing like the toys not burned his body's completely untouched Krista random gets like blown back into a pile of toys. But while I'm sitting where is that lightning going that lightning is obviously like the dark clouds are rolling in over them while they he is performing the The voodoo spell lightning comes in and just like skirts by them. Like what does it do? Like Voodoo? Okay, it completes. This bill know who do that video. So we cut ahead we are now with Andy and Karen it is little Andy's birthday and Karen is a single working. Mom who got him a nice big box. He's hoping it's the what is the kid Good Guy doll? Good The Good Good Guy doll. Yeah while he's making her breakfast in bed. He's watching the ITV show Good Guys everywhere in this movie. They're treating him like he's Barney. Yeah, or like Elmo I think okay sure, you know, maybe it's because I'm an adult it doesn't make sense because like I see these kids like the mere mention of good guy and they're losing their minds and like what what's so exciting about this thing? Yeah, but this was during the age of the like the hot toys. I don't know if we necessarily have the hot toy now, but yeah back in the 80s and 90s there was like Furby Easy-Bake Oven. I don't know we had like a girl version of Chucky when it was like a little bit preemie, but my sister had when it was called Rocket, okay, and she did crafts and like taught you how to tie your shoes and she has a show and then she had a doll that had a tape recorder in her back and you could have a little tapes that like match the episode and she would like talking shit in conjunction with the if she moves like where the tapes able to like know her eyes. I think moved out she was horrifying Tales knees like big scary eyes. We're like real eyelashes on them and I Not like rocket. Can you imagine that she did teach me to put raisins on my peanut butter celery and I will never forget that lesson. Did you call them ants where they all we and she had a special we had a toaster to that toasted Rockets face on the toast what it was I'm telling you this type of kid fandom exists. Wow rocket toast. I really thought that this was kind of exaggerated I guess. Yeah. I'm not a toy guy. I guess I even growing up as a kid. I just watched the movies. He's like my soul. My earliest memories are watching Wayne's World and the rocketeers. They were called ants on a log. That's what I'm saying. And I was a good call them ants I've never liked that name. I hate it. It's dumb. Why are you doing here eat these ants on a log combats poops on a baseboard. Yeah. So I'm just brainstorming Alternatives really big it's weird because I could actually thought of that before recording this I that came to me. Well, I was making our breakfast today you thought so you gonna tell me I was thinking of a Twitter poll. Please complete this thought. No, I'm more interested in finding out how you were mixing like raisins and bright and then they are both options were yes. I didn't tweet it. That breakfast is it and he makes is the worst breakfast I've ever seen he's just why is he making her breakfast in bed on his birthday? I think it's because he's greeted her up to get his dolls his doll toy at 6:30 in the morning. It's also too late. Can we open presents? No, well, you're allowed. It's your birthday. Like you're allowed to open the presents. It's like he should be he should have been greasing her up weeks beforehand. Yeah, that's what he should have been done breakfast in bed every day leading up to birthday like an advent calendar of burnt toast that will eventually Is like into a creepy doll that has a unique name, but he doesn't end up getting the doll. No, he just gets a is he gets the hammer, right? Yeah. It's like a good guy thinks that yeah. Yeah because it comes with the hard hat and like a little like saw or whatever. What is it? Rubber? Real Hammer? Yeah. It's got its got a very real Hammer which we'll get to in a minute because a tiny Hammer all of his accessories make no sense. It might just be it's because it's the 80s and there's there's no way you would get this now, but good guy has like I'm a Machine gun, he's got a machine gun. He's got a carpenter's belt and probably a good doctors outfit and a machine gun. Like we've got our me Chucky or are we good guy ready to go? Maybe it's because he's named the good guy. That's that's how we can get away with it. Mmm. I bet every doll had a machine gun in the 80s though. You got to compete with that GI Joe money exactly. I bet Barbie even had a gun like a little one that she could put in her handbag. Oh, I bet Barbie had like instead of like Like a book gun, you know, there's a gun. I was thinking more like instead of a beauty pageant sash. She's got one of those like belts of bullets just wrapping around her but a homeless guy selling a good guy doll at a reduced rate of the back alley of the department store where she worked so no big deal and he still wins up with a good guy doll at the end of the day literally by the end of the day. Yeah. She doesn't ask any questions about where it came from why the bags torn why this guy's how this guy got his hands on it, but I guess you wouldn't either right like she's strapped for cash. She wants to give her some the best birthday possible and she can finally afford it. So she gets it. Yeah, and this is where the movie really kicks off because we know pretty early on that. This is going to be Chucky because he wants to watch the fucking news, but it's really interesting how the movement and what we see The movement of the Chucky doll unfolds because it does want a doll itself out in like a that's Anna interesting storytelling kind of way. Like we don't want to just have us seeing Chucky running around and slashing people right away we have to build to that we have to to build to is Chucky moving is the doll possessed. Follow Allah. Yeah first we just get like a few eye glances really got a hand moves, but the interesting thing behind that is that the only motivation for that to happen. Is that Chucky is aware. He's In a story and is trying to do the most the most interesting thing narratively possible because there are frequent moments where he's thwarted only in minor instances like he goes to put a chair to unlock a door to go outside and somebody's just like why is this chair here moves the chair and then he takes a break for the night and he just goes down to bed and you're like, I don't think you need to sleep or he's just worded and he's like, okay. I'll try again tomorrow. I'm gonna sleep with a handy. It doesn't make any sense of In that he's like, you know narratively. We're just going to take a break to the next C. So funny is the next day. So it's like you're just telling me Chucky power down for the night. That is the prime opportunity to be deviant. That is the craziest thing you pointed that out while we were watching this and it didn't even occur to me. Like, why does Chucky just tuck in for the night? It doesn't there's even a scene actually where he closes his eyes. I think he actually has to sleep. I think he's a human being inside that doll. Maybe as he gets more human. No because he gets more Brazen as The film goes on it's the beginning where it's weird because you're like how does he gain faculty of the limbs and stuff? You're like, oh he has them and I'm like, well, why is he just killing Andy right now? He's this ruthless serial killer. He has to like sneak around. Keep Andy safe kill the babysitter then like it's just so you know what I know exactly why it's because he wants to seek revenge. She wants to kill his partner who took off his getaway driver. He wants to kill the cop and he wants to a hundred percent get away with it. And also he I think in his mind he thinks that maybe he will become himself again. Like he can maybe not possess his own corpse, but transfer into a different body. It isn't until well over halfway through the movie that he realizes he has to go into and he's body. Well, yeah because he notices when he starts actually getting like wounds and his nose bleeds and stuff and that's when he goes back to the guy who knows Voodoo and he's like, oh, yeah, you gotta go on the first person you told which what kind of a rule is that? It's an all right one sounds like a narrative rule to me all the decisions in this movie are narrative1. Definitely. Do you think he kills the babysitter just because he likes to kill people. Yeah, like it's she keeps getting in his way. I think because he's trying to act like that's where he's got the chair and he's unlocked the door and he's trying to do sneaky things at but then she's just like cleaning up the mess. He made the flower. He knocked over is like I just like on his running out of the room. I don't know. And because teeny little Footprints a it doesn't he climb on the counter though aren't his footprints on the counter because how did he so when when she gets hit in the head with a hammer it is up high. I'm assuming Chucky did like a ninja leap at her like he ran off the counter and like leptin to her with the hammer. He's gotta have like the same strength as a human adult man inside that doll because there's no way that that teeny little like what 15 ounce doll. I don't know it weighs nothing and he couldn't gain enough Force to hit her in the it hard enough in the head. To knock her out of the window like he was running down the hall like getting a running start. He's like, I gotta hit her really hard. That's why he had that yesterday one of the door open. He had to go back to the elevator and get real running start on this too. So she ends up collapsing into the street below. Oh, it's the greatest shot of the entire movie. I love that. I love that character. I was sad when she died. She has nice. She had some fun SAS. Yeah. She felt like a real BFF. I don't know. I really liked her. Yeah big collectively the two of them like really hate to their boss like you give him a kick in the pants for She's great. She sticks up for her friend. She steps in when her friend needs help and then she died so quick but then when Mom comes home, there's ambulances and police and stuff everywhere and she realizes that oh, no, it's her apartment. She's able to run upstairs. Nobody stops her. This is the greatest movies where nobody ever stops the one person who's allowed there. They don't check their just like L is like, oh that lady go and I have to hand it to this movie for revealing to this character in this scene is like a minute or less. They revealed to her that her best. Best friend is dead that her son is implicated in the crime and then the cops clear out all within that scene like all these things happen. You're like, I don't know if police work this efficiently and you don't think that many police needed to be there when she got in there was a guy who had his feet up on the table reading the newspaper, but no, maybe they'd been there awhile or something, but they're probably waiting for her. I love they're waiting around for her to come home to maybe get a statement or like let her know what's going on. Nobody calls her they barely tell her that her friend is dead, though. Then Chris Sarandon who's the head detective of the film is just like this nice guy and he's okay clear out guys clear out because she's stressed out and wants to have spent some time with her son. Obviously your best friend's dead. I mean, I would be be a little upset eat the rest of that birthday cake you guys is that way the flowers on the counter like does the birth did the did she make of the birthday cake know? Why else do you need? It was a canister John you keep them on the counter. I'm stag. Yeah, nice guy cop still thinks her son committed. Murder, maybe they were some tiny Footprints. Do you think maybe that's the only reason chucky sticks around maybe he wanted to escape you want to just get the fuck out of the house when everybody went to bed but oh, hey look, mr. Detective who I also want to kill will be back around to talk to us again, but I think he realizes the benefit of having this kid that nobody believes believe him like he can pretend to be a an actual good guy and it works because the next day and he skipped school with Chucky and is Riding the subway all the way downtown to the roughest part of Chicago's. Yeah. It's a like The Hideout of his old getaway driver so that Chucky can Excel explode them and they go away with him do away with them. So you said something a minute ago about Chucky being a good guy doll. How does he know how the good guy doll operates? I know so is it thinking that too maybe particles intelligent and that's okay if he's anything like his buddy who he killed. He's squatting in a building somewhere the cops haven't been able to find this guy. There's no way there is a rental application in Chicago signed by Charles Lee Ray. Everybody's looking for he's like a notorious killer. Yeah, but you could have just walked past a store of TV's like I don't think it's that hard to explain that he could know the three pass phrases that Chucky has because As you know, there are no batteries in there. This is the greatest that is such an awesome turn in this movie where Mom is mom does not believe that that Chucky is real. It doesn't make any damn sense and when she goes to throw at the box and finds the batteries fall into her hand. She fucking knows that this doll has to be possessed because how else could it possibly be moving? That's always my favorite part movies. I hate the the whole like doesn't believe me plot and you have to wait for ya that middle act turns. Somebody to believe the fucking kid and you love it when it comes but it's just now we have time get make the cop believe and the cop doesn't believe until Chuck. He's literally cutting him up. It's also hard when you're going back to watch the first movie of a franchise because you already have that whole franchise in your head. Like we know Chuck he's real and yeah, he spends no time pretending that he isn't in the next movies. Yeah. I don't think we talked enough about Charles Lee Ray being a crazy killer. He's known as the Strangler right the the Chicago Strangler the seaside Strangler that what it is. I don't think something like that how annoying must it have been for him to come into a tiny doll with little hands like never strangle again. That's true because his Mo as a human being was strangling. Yeah, and even in the second movie like he strangle somebody with a cord is his like a here we go. Nothing like a strangulation to get the blood flowing. That's funny. I don't know if I remember that. Yeah because he's like you picked her Chuck. He's got a knife Chucky and his Bowie knife like that is his purpose and his weapon of choice. That's the look. Yeah that little metal knife with the the weird red spiral pattern on the blade. I don't know why it's oddly specific. It's in the movies. Is that the one he gets in the second film is it's the second movie nevermind, you know, I do have to we haven't talked about it, but he looks really good in this movie for wrapping up first movie the the scenes of Chucky running around in the background and stuff are genuinely creepy. Yeah. Don't they look great and him moving even scooting around as the doll. The puppeting is really great in this and there's only a couple instances where it looks like somebody holding onto a doll and you know, when you're pretending something is attacking you and you're holding it. There's only a like a couple small glimpses of stuff like that. Otherwise Chucky is so well puppeted and I think that comes down to the entire goal of this film is to genuinely treat Chucky like he's a scary villain. Okay and They put a lot of I assume energy and effort into making sure that those scenes held up because if they became can't be or silly or didn't look real it would it would have to change the entire tone of the movie? Yeah. I think you would have to play Chucky for Yuk's I think that's what made this movie so popular when it came out because it's really easy to go see a killer doll movie and find it funny. Yes. It's really hard to pull it off. Well, like you're right. You need to make him scary and look Tom Holland and David Kirchner and all those guys like they really did a great job of Making him believable at what he does. There are some scenes where it's definitely like a little boy in a child's play in a good guy outfit like running up the stairs of the mental institution to try and get Andy but they all look great my favorite. I think my absolute favorite puppeting moment of this movie and just like Chuck Chuck he's faced in his reactions. Is that moment where Mom realizes that he is possessed by this killer and she turns on the fire. She's gonna throw em in and his face just completely turned. Turns he's like you fucking bitch. I'm gonna kill you. He just loses his mind on her and he goes from being this this happy little doll. I guess that that kids can play with to being a fucking monster. It's true. He goes from like he goes from the good guy dolls, like pre orchestrated facial movements into like this doll is putty and I am able to control it. Yeah. Yeah speaking of putty he gets melted good in this movie Yes it in everyday really fucking kill Chucky in this Meadow. He is soaked he's all kinds of dead and he Keeps coming back. Yeah, they they throw them off stuff. They burn them. They shoot them. They explode them. They all he's great by the end of it. He's just a he's just a head and he's still going. Yeah, I think one thing that really gets established in in this movie that it's carried on through the entire franchise. Is that Chucky does not quit. He's one of those guys where he never admits defeat and you know, he feels pain so it's not as though it's like, oh, well, he's a doll who cares? It's just a doll like any time you shoot them any time you burn them he He feels it but if he still has an ounce of energy left in his body if he's only got one little finger moving. He's gonna try and kill you with it. That's fair. That's not fair. It'd be interesting though, if like halfway through the Chucky franchise. He actually got into Andy. Mmm, and he started going by Chucky and then the Killer is this kid growing up like going through life and the kid becomes the Strangler that is an entirely different franchise like The Omen really that's interesting though. Is interesting how do you know it's really surprising that they haven't gotten that because I mean you do that in the middle of a movie by the end of the movie you could swap back here. Yeah, get them back into into Chucky because he's easier to kill as a doll or something. And if we want to go real meta he could go into Brad Dourif that would it well. Yeah like the character because Brad door for the movie is dead because he's the Strangler. Yeah. Yeah totally but I mean like I'm the same thing we're doing with Jennifer Tilly. Hmm could go. I mean now he's in Fiona door if we know that much the end of Volta Chucky. Oh, yeah, so I guess we've done it. Yeah congrats guys, but she's pretty character. She is playing a character. You're right and we have to talk about the voice to as we haven't talked about the voice. So this one Chucky really sounds just like Brad Dourif. Yeah, really mad Brad Dourif. It's not as iconic as you it's not the Chucky voice that you've come to know. Yeah, it's crazy. How like much the Chucky voice is part of Chucky. As you like I can't say that in my head. I know what Chucky sounds like, but when I hear Child's Play one Chucky, I'm like this isn't Chucky even though I know it's the guy like it is the guy it's got these got the the inflections but there's something like less animated about this Chucky and we will also watch the second Child's Play after you watch the first one because that's what you do the third one. But the voice is down by the second one the second one really start sounding like Aki yeah, that's kind of where he becomes like Freddy Krueger. He's got some one-liners. He's got some he's got some good send-offs for his kills but it's the the anger is there like pure hatred well, also the I think to buy this time. He's a little bit more comfortable in his skin. He's got a sense of humor about himself being a doll. Whereas this one it's like get me out of this fucking doll. What's your favorite killed a movie this movie? There's not that many. It really isn't so I'm gonna go first and I'm gonna say, Voodoo guy. Oh really? I thought you were going to say the the girl out the window. Isn't that your favorite? I guess it is your right. It's the best. It's the most it's the best shot kill. The voodoo guy is interesting though because Chucky literally kills the voodoo doll version of him. Yeah, you like breaks his fucking bomb. Yeah, which is not very nice. No, that's not very nice. I think it works perfectly with this movie. We got a doll kill, you know a guy who's stuck in a doll who might be killed in it with the killing another guy with a dull all this good that's super mad at some levels. Uh, no, I like it. I'll sit just a horrible way to go. Okay. So what do you rate? The very first Child's Play movie not giving any of the other films into account. Yeah, then that's the trick is not paying attention to the any of the other ones. I'm going I'm going to give Child's Play it 3 out of 4. I don't think it necessarily does anything wrong. I like it's a great movie. I just don't love killer dolls or it's a personal preference knock that's You know, really I'm gonna give it a two out of four. Oh shit. Yeah like this movie more than you. Yeah. Oh shit. I think it's good like two or four is okay, and I'm sitting here trying to justify my three out of four. Yeah. It's like, I'm sorry guys. I know it deserves. It's okay. It is also just a killer doll movie. I know but like for a straightforward killer doll movie. It's okay, but there's there's a lot of like leaning into it and like we have to pretend that Chuck. He's just a doll and and the the stuff where he goes to sleep and like it I want it all. This shit to just Massacre happened. I wanted to just kill Andy like fucking night one. Like he's just on top of them strangling an that's so funny and we don't even get that a child's play to like he's still plays by the rules. We still like Oakland. They closed the door. Goddamn. I mean he does do some pretty cool kills when he kills the foster parents. Yeah. Those are both really good kills. So real quick before we move on which would which one you like more child's player Child's Play to child way to has some crazy-ass angles though. Oh, yeah. It is like all from doll perspective and watching a movie as a two foot tall person looking up even in any of the shots that aren't from doll perspective. I think they're from trinket perspective. Like there's there are enough Nick snacks all around the house. I think we're either looking through a doll's eyes or or some little porcelain figures eyes. Mmm Yeah. The second one is fun though, because that whole Factory sequence is like really good. Yeah, and they went to a lot of effort and work to make that factory. Really look like it makes fucking Chucky dolls, like the hair stamping and the eyeball Poppin and where they manufacture these dolls by that time. I could you buy a good guy doll sure you it would have made sense. Sure after the first film you could have, you know, financially it just made sense for us to start a business and get a factory summations like a factory. Yeah. I don't know you can definitely get them now. Mmm, I'm sure you could have so which one you like more? I think I'm going to say. First one. Yeah. Yeah Child's Play to you guys. Maybe the second one. I don't know and here's the thing. I'm gonna lead us though. Like I'm like one of those like you can't have the first without the second. No, that's true. Second is better than the first it's that credit to the for not. No. No, it's not. It's not better. It's what's like, it's not one realized know what I'm trying to say is I'm not asking you to pick which one's better. What are you asking me? Which one do you like more? The first one is the better man? Vo the second one. I consider my favorite. Oh, it's what I'm saying. Yeah, but there's you're asking. It's a loaded question. It is loaded and this gun is pointed and I want a fucking answer. Come on. Okay, I'm going to say the second one is fun. I feel like I bullied you into no see you still haven't given an answer. You said funner. I want to know which one you like. Yeah, but if I like the second one more I have to attribute that to the first film. I told you I'm an elitist. I am a sequel elitist and I know that about myself anything you like from like you have to credit the Original story because it's the kernel of the idea. Which one do you think is better hostel or hostile to I hate you which one do you think is better even send a Peter? He was gonna shut up. I can't all right credit to the first one though. Let's talk about pet cemetery. Okay stressed me out. What is this place? I brought you here to Barry Allen's Cat Daddy. Why Judd Marines he got hit by a car and you and mr. Crandall buried him in a pet cemetery. What did we do tonight? Judge? What we did last secret. May the Lord bless you and keep you has anyone ever buried a person up there. May the Lord make his face to shine upon you you're thinking thoughts. That's not Really bad, you know, I think the put them up there don't deny the thought hadn't crossed your mind age. Come back to us Paramount Pictures presents. Stephen King's all-time best-selling tale of horror pet cemetery. So pet cemetery from 1989 currently sitting at a six point six out of 10 on IMDb a 50 percent on Rotten Tomatoes a 38% Metacritic rating and three point two out of five on letterboxed a little bit lower than Child's Play wee bit lower mostly just in the letterbox rating, which is kind of surprising. I always thought people love this movie. I figured they were so in love with it that they were clamoring for a remake. I've seen very few people have Anything negative to say about this movie despite its flaws. Yeah, it's nostalgic though everybody. I think this movie's got a lot of nostalgic eyes on it. Everybody really loves the original book. So and got to read that book people talk about it being one of the scariest. Oh, yeah. Yeah kid killings pretty dark though. So I guess that's yeah. There's a lot of yeah, the the murders in this are pretty rough. It's not like oh this character was really nice and just a just did not deserve to die. It's like the person killing him and the person being Being killed like there's this is a tragic story. And the thing too is this movie. It has some weird things. Like I'll totally admit the things that gets right it gets like really right. Maybe that's what it is. There's some really cool stuff in this movie and you just gotta like yeah, but I ain't sometimes you gotta ride with it because it's like I don't really know if that was the right decision this seems counterintuitive to what we talked about at the beginning, but you can never tell what's in a man's hog. It's Hartman's brand. Never know why man does the thing he does Louis? What is that accent? It doesn't sound other than drawl some draw. It doesn't sound Southern drawl e though like Southern drawl farmer. I don't know. It's great though. Judd is the best thing about this movie John's pretty great. And I'm so excited for John Lithgow. He's gonna do good. He's gonna do so good. It was proud job. Yeah, it's funny how excited I am for this for the remake of Snow, are you um, when you watch this, are you scared of that cat? At I love the fucking cat like love like you you think I think the cat is the best performance so the whole movie but I mean when he's hissin and he's got his back up and this green glow. Yeah, you not like like when you're watching it like do you not have that same for me? At least it kicks that response that I used to get when the cats would like hiss or growl at me and like they don't want to be pet anymore. I was like, I'm about to get hit. Oh see my my thing is like I've never been afraid of cats because I grew up with case, but when they swallow it you and hers it does hurt but cat. Cats don't like attack cats are more. They're more like warning animals. Like the most you're going to get is like one Bap or two like they're not going to keep Bap and you they're gonna Bap so they can run off while you're like, oh do you mean to tell me you never had an issue with the cat like grabbing you with its front claws and then kicking you repeatedly with his back Clause because when I think of cats attacking I think of they're going to do everything they can that's playing though that fucking hurts. They didn't play rough and they have teeth like Vampires they look like syringes. I don't know maybe I just never had cats in my house that I didn't trust. Well, I never trusted them. But all right. Yeah, just I don't know. I'm not scared of cats. Like there's nothing scary. Even an evil cat. You're like, oh look at him. He's got his little pincers out which is funny because I have that with the with dogs. Like when dogs are like ground itself among Latino guy like chewing gum bite my face off. Yeah, and I've had plenty of dogs bite my hand and bite my legs and like yeah sure. It hurts a little bit, but it's not really that bad. I've also never A dog trying to murder me. I used to have a hamster. That was really bitey bitey. I used to try to like because we had we would put him in those like rolly balls, you know, those like run around the room while I clean his cage and I used to try to like bribe him into his ball. So I wouldn't have to pick him up. That is so funny. I am my name is Ralph and used to Abu digital microbe I made you a special bed why I need to go to places. I got everything I need right here rest in peace Ralph. Yeah. I think we had two guinea pigs grown up. They weren't really anything crazy. Like the one of them had seizures. It was weird. It fun pets. We had Canary or a budgie I think is the thing and my parents like, oh you can take them out. You just put your hand in the cage and you gotta when you grab it because of the way the feathers go you start like at the head and you Like an arrow. Yeah, exactly exactly. So as to not hurt its feathers and you can hold them and like you can feed him stuff and all I ever got was bit. Like they're like you can grab him and he's like Rock that Rock right? Like he's biting me like, oh he doesn't like to eat crab. Like why am I doing this? Well, you can you can grab them and you can paddle it eventually he'll get better. I'm like, okay, so I kept that up for a while. Really? I wonder how long it'll take before this thing is friends with me and he can sit on my shoulder. Just back. Yeah, sometimes he we just get out there and he would just fly around the house and it is fucking impossible to get them back. What do you poop on you? My biggest fear in my hair? What if he has his children of there? What is it with girls being so worried about their hair with animals like the bats. They're gonna get in my hair. I've heard that a few times. I'm just worried. Something's Gonna poop. On me and I'm not gonna know because of my hair. Okay, I understand this fear. Now. I got pooped on it Disneyland remember but you knew we had to go home. We did go home ruin my day. I bet if I had a toll to cast member I would have got like a free balloon or something like ma'am your 26 get the fuck out go clean yourself over here Finn. Here's your pen. I got pooped on it. Just me and all I got was this pain that be a great pain. Oh man. It was a really busy day. Like that was some odds to get pooped on so pet Hurry, yeah, now that we've gotten the pets out of the way sort on topic. That's kind of why I wasn't trying to put my foot down on any of my God. Can you imagine if Ralph came back in Pet Sematary? He would be the worst pet my God. He already knows how to bite. He was already evil. You know what though church, I don't really understand. Maybe it's more clear. So where we should probably say, we're only talking about this film. We're not talking at all about the books. It's we're just going to talk about how it was handled in the film. Yeah church is bad. I think once he's brought back. Yeah, I think he just I don't even know if he's bad because he doesn't do anything bad other than hate this guy for bringing them back to life. Yeah, that's what he's also kind of knowledgeable because when gauge comes back, he's always kind of present in those scenes like just like wisely around the edges because I think they're kind of In Cahoots or they have an understanding. Yeah, but he's bad and does absolutely nothing like he shows up. Is creepy just so we know that the space is evil. Yeah, he because the when the girl comes home she doesn't remark about her cat being different or not being her cat. She just remarks about said him being stinky. Yeah, and I assume because beforehand before the cat died he was sleeping in her bed every night and they were like cuddling together and stuff. And so the girl is still hanging out with her cat. I assume I assume he's not attacking her and murdering her but when gauge comes back, he is murdering people immediately. But church is just kind of chill apart from the hissing a dad who I would be hissing a dad to because it's he seems like to be very non-confrontational with problems that he just lets them implode underneath him. Yeah. There's nothing in this movie. That isn't made worse by Dad's decisions and he's so nonchalant about them and how are you a doctor you have zero accountability. Well, I mean he seems to take that job and it seems to take a pretty personally when that kid dies. I can honestly they bring a dead kid into his office. That is a great scene though because the movie up until that point is Lifetime movie. It is soft. It is Pleasant. There are no squares. It's a happy family and we cut on a Bloody Brain. Yeah, we smash cut to brains. Yeah, and it's that seat is jarring like those there's a bunch of distraught kids carrying this hemorrhaging guy. Yeah, who's hit by a truck ever ever all the trucks in this? It's just that one road. I got to imagine Maximum Overdrive was written immediately after this one right like oh somebody kill her trucks who kill her trucks. What if the car comes back? Yeah, no, not even that it's in the original plan was pet cemetery to they bury the truck and then that Cemetery this beard Christine is from the pet cemetery. Oh, that's great. They cut to they cut to all that Gore though in the doctor's office much in the same way that he would see it. It's not like we watch a tense moment where this kids jogging and a Truck comes by and Them and then we go to the hospital. It's like it's all from Dad's perspective. And all he sees is Carnage me aftermath. Yeah, and you know fortunately can't save this kid. This kid shows up. He's dead on arrival and he takes it very personally which I don't know if he needs to yeah, see, I'm sure this is something that translates a lot more in the book. Maybe the kids alive. Oh, you know better is if we can't okay, we can't speculate on the book can't speculate on the book, but this kid does start talking to him immediately. Like the ghost of this kid comes alive and says something about the soil being sour and how a man's heart is Stone some other meta fuck. Yeah, which is essentially just going to be the theme of the movie we hear it quite a lot. What do you think is the point of the ghost Marley kid? Yeah, Jacob Marley is a good description for him. He's a good ghost. He is a good ghost because he spends the majority. The second act of the film trying to get Mom from Chicago back home so she can stop the dad from doing what he's about to do which is revived their son and not miss our soil. Yeah, but he also he tries to warn this guy about what he's gonna do. Hmm. So it which is really odd. It kind of comes back to man. It's hard not to just see like glimpses of like all of Stephen King's other stuff in all of its true this only no whales like Stephen King. Yeah, like the oh this whole town is haunted maybe and people can't leave and everybody who dies their Spirit lives on this and then because there's no there's no reason for it really like the reason that I think Church engage are sort of In Cahoots with each other at the end like you were talking about is that they're not really coming back from the dead so much as they are now pure spirits possessed. Yeah, that's body. They're possessed by some evil native spirit is the thing like they are the one thing that they are the One spirit. It's the same entity that's in both of them. But I don't I don't know why this kid is the warning Spirit. Maybe it's just to explore everybody's relationships with death because early on in the movie The Kids The Family the Creed children have their first kind of experience with death after the would you call her the maid the handy lady who does their laundry she hangs herself because she has stomach cancer. Hmm, and there's nothing really other than than that they go to her funeral. Stephen King is the minister. Yep, which is a great Cameo little Cameo, but I think that's just a kick off the conversations with the children about death. Yeah, and we're kind of everybody's support Cemetery to though. Yeah, but in it kind of we get to experience everybody's individual relationships with death because the doctor obviously deals with death we get that with him and the patient that he Let Die the mom has the story about her sister, which is Action insane little component of this film that kind of absolutely doesn't fit at all. But I'm so happy it's there. Yeah, and I don't know if I would have the same appreciation for the film without Zelda. It's such a weird left turn. It's so great and every scene with her is nightmarish. Yeah and like this the Shadows are really elongated. We're a little tilted but there's wonderful cues in that scene like the frames of the paintings and stuff. Stuff and that corner stairwell they use what you know about the one particular dream that they've showed you when the mom is telling her husband about the Zelda story. They call back to visuals and elements in cues from that dream too kind of subconsciously tell your brain that we're going back there because Zelda appears several times in the film. Yeah, and they're not always nightmares. Sometimes they're waking dreams and sometimes they're the spirit using Zelda, but it's not Just the entity there's elements of the room that are used like that the outfit that the painting was where right? Okay. Summer house is a child like that shit's fucked up. It's so great amazing. Yeah, because like we slip into that moment. So so easily and just like so all of a sudden she's were in Judd Crandall's house and then when she goes up the stairs to find gauge boom. This is a household word childhood we go through like the same Shadow under the same stairs and her son is dressed up the same way that that little That little man is in the painting at the top of the stairs. All that is that it that alone is so fucking great and so worth all of the setup, but it's easy does it mean to get even though even with all that for how great it is? It doesn't mean it doesn't it's it's an odd fit. Like how does Delta fit into the pet cemetery? Other than that? This whole film is supposed to be just a commentary on everybody's relationship with death. And I think the problem with Dad is that he cannot accept death. I'm so glad you said that I was going to try and come back to that thing. I think that's why he has such a hard time with the kid at the beginning. He's probably come to this small town because he Figures it's going to be easier than dealing with the the crazy gunshot victims. I guess maybe that he'd get in Chicago props. Well because all their family is there frequently the kids and Mom cart off to Chicago they do our family and they're doing a lot of there's a lot of airports scenes in this movie. He probably thought this was going to be a quiet town. I'm gonna check people up I'm gonna get flu shots and I'm gonna administer medication for ear infections. Sections it's gonna be nothing. It's going to be boring. It's gonna be easy and then death is still there death still finds him and he can't handle it and I think you're right that that's that's really the driving force between all of the decisions that he makes throughout the rest of the movie. It's why he can't talk to his daughter about her dead cat and instead goes with Judd up to the top of a fucking Mountain to to bury her in hard Earth's that we shall come back no matter how awful it is. It'll still be there. He doesn't have to talk to her. Death like you can still keep his kids innocent and untouched from that tragedy weird thing about that though is he seems to have do a great job talking to her about death when the nanny made dies. Yeah, they have like a conversation and then Mom has a cry and everybody wholesomely handled that death conversation that whole conversation though is sort of stained or tainted with that experience of the cat being brought back to life because it sounds comforting in a way like he's talking to his daughter like oh, you know, I I believe that we go on we come that not come back, but we continue so he's trying to say that he believes in an afterlife and it it makes acceptance of the of death easier for his daughter because she's like, oh you have faith that you know, we we will go on and he said yeah, but that's only because he's fucking seen it and it's dark and it's awful. Yeah. What is Judds motivation in showing dad that cemetery and bringing that cat back? No knows. What a man does what he does. That's Again, I think that's all it is because you're right. He he he's kind of a shit Bro doing that. Yeah, he knows exactly how bad that cemetery is. He's had a lifetime of experience with that cemetery and still I don't know if your daughter's ready for death yet. There's something to that jot doesn't have a dog. He doesn't have any pets. Oh, right. Yeah. He's a man who lives alone who you would picture I would if I picture Judd whose light and cigarettes off is his overalls and and always has a bottle of beer and is closed off porch. Do you not expect like a big droopy nosed heavy ear dog. Just sleeping at his feet. Yeah, and he doesn't have a dog. That's a really good and he did have a dog when he was younger and then he had that dog again. And then I don't think he ever had a dog again. I don't think so. I think you're right. I because I think he knows that he couldn't handle. No, I don't think you can trust himself not to bring it back when exactly did no matter how bad it would be. He'd still end up doing. It because like in that moment, he's he'd be too weak to say no, which is crazy. Because if he barely knows these people across the street. Yeah, but then the thing too is that as soon as gauge dies. He already knows what he's gonna do. Oh, yeah, he sees himself in in Creed and Lewis and he's put it there. It's a hundred percent his fault when he says that too because he had a little breakdown in the kitchen because he's like, it's my fault because he thinks just the act of Reviving The Cat Giving them that taste of that power that somehow the spirit or whatever. It is at that grave site is what killed gauge because they knew that they would be powerless to that opportunity that they would have to that. They would be faded to go up there and Barry gauge in that soil because they couldn't not do it. It's like there was a debt to be paid like you want. Oh you want to use our services you're going to give us your son and then you're probably gonna come bury your son here. You're gonna give us your wife. Like I said, that's just how it goes. It's just like Tenuous because yeah those Spirits definitely floated in on the wind blew that kite out into the road. Mmm floated down that Highway that is a that is a great scene where he says that it's his fault. I like I love that idea that cosmically he has put into motion just like the worst the worst moment of this guy's life. That's an interesting idea which we gotta read this book. We gotta read this book when gauge comes back though, and he becomes this like little teeny villain. Yeah. I this is kind of where the story falters for me like there. I will say Dad isn't my favorite character. He's a vet just very non-confrontational about things but when gauge comes back got a lot of things have to fall into play perfectly for it to go down like Judd falls asleep. When dad goes to the cemetery to unbury gauge to bring him to the pet cemetery. So Judd can't stop him. And then when gauge comes back instead of waiting for gauged to come back dad just goes back home and falls asleep for the night. Always exhausted he's dug two graves one of which he needs to do with a pickaxe because it's basically rocks. Okay, not not looking at the fact that the situation is dire at all. But then he kills Judd and then mum who has been Harold by this ghost comes back instead of going to her house. She goes to Judds house and then she gets murdered and then debt like so I will say when she gets home and she steps out of that truck. She hears someone calling her name. And it's her sister. I don't think she knows that at first you probably just thinks it's somebody but it's a hundred percent her sister calling her into that is think everybody sleeping pretty conveniently at the end half of this mooc Oh, no, you're gonna resent like not even sleeping. Let's just walk back a few things one. Why doesn't Judd go looking for Lewis? Because you know tell you where it there's two boys cemeteries. That would be yes. He's either gonna go to his son's grave or he's gonna go to his son's second. Oh when he's holding his son at that first Cemetery after he's Buried him I was like if graveyard security comes back. This is a weird not even that it was a weird thing to do. That baby was all kinds of dead. Yeah, but it immediately made me want to to I was so uncomfortable some short story about a guy who can't handle his son's death and just digging them up to hold him again. Maybe putting them back. I don't know maybe he does something else with it, but just like that idea. That is a dark moment. Well, yes and after he hugs him for that long-ass moment where I would he's like, They do a little shot on the hand and the hand is on Blue. Yeah, it's pretty gnarly like that. Is that that baby that baby is dead. But what yeah, but why doesn't why doesn't Judd go to either of those two graves and stop them because there's no reason not to he especially knows very personally what happens when human beings come back from the grave because they've it looks like they become zombies the great thing there though, is that as soon as he realizes gauges in his house and gauges? Back, he pulls out his knife. Yeah, he's not fucking around. Yeah, you're just like you would judge you get that little boy. He's got teeny hands. He's not gonna put up a fight whatsoever. But he outsmarts mm and it's a never easy to watch somebody get their Achilles tendon cut know why is that the hardest one to watch and it happens especially in these tiny little Killer movies. There's a lot there's a lot of Achilles cutting and I guess that's out of convenience. It's a like way to bring the playing field a little bit Fair. I don't love the gauge killings in this it's hard though because they wanted to use that little boy as much as possible. Yeah, so we just like there. Yeah. Yeah sure what you mean face it. You're like, you're so cute. Okay, lll switch plate, but the special effects and then whole sequence are great because like he slashes at him and like we see his lip just like split open on either end. It looks awesome. And then he cake goes in for the kill. He bites his little throat like a little hamster. Yeah arouse that son of a bitch, but when we come back even to see that his body like his whole bottom lip is gone like that kid started eating his face. Yeah, like he was a cat who found a donor. I do have to say though. So once he kills mom, which he does with the old Zelda trick when Dad goes exploring mom is hung in the Attic. So how did that two year old little boy get Mom in the Attic deleted scene. Sure. Yeah, he convinced her to he's got he's got the strength of the the Native American demon. He's not a little boy anymore Kim. Okay. Yeah. All right. You see me to tell me that little boy had enough forethought to go over and grab that scalpel and come back to Judds house. That's a demon talking. It's true. I kind of see I'm a little bit less is more. I want the cemetery to just be the spot that has this power and we don't get to explore it at all. Like I guess we don't really explore it by the fact that the like Oh The Entity did it into deal ways did it and you're just like, okay. I don't know if I want it to be Entity, I like that they come back evil. Yeah, but maybe they can I don't know I think in a book where you've got some time to expand your world, but in like an hour and a half two hours, it's tough. So it'll be interesting to see what they do in the new movie The other thing that they could maybe fix. Why does that ghost boy go back to why? Is he gonna mom? Like, why is he just like hey, I hate to bother you but gonna need you to get plane ticket. Got to go back home. Got stop your husband. Like there's a lot of steps. Why doesn't he? Just go to Judd? It's like I know you were. Complaining about that earlier, but he could maybe it's because Judd is the problem in this whole situation just not necessarily like he's a good guy, but it's his fault and maybe jug won't do the right thing. Maybe that's why he doesn't appear to him. I don't know because that that kid definitely wants the best outcome. He knows that it's entirely unlikely, but he wants he wants as many people to survive and have a good life as they can. Yeah, let's I don't understand. I don't necessarily get His role in convincing mom because she's like she doesn't help at all. She gets there not in the nick of time mind you but she gets there and is disposed of yeah, like it's definitely because the spirit knows what her weaknesses in the spirit knows that that if it calls on Zelda, like she'll come and it's crazy because as an adult she confesses that she still wakes up in that same routine that she had as a kid saying I was I always my sister dead yet. I hope my sister's dead. Like it's sometimes it's the first thing she thinks of when she wakes up kind of like in in The Haunting where the bell rings and immediately Ellie gets up to go to to answer her mom's call because it's still fresh and it still now I'll share clothes. She what's the is it Catherine Zeta Jones calls her Ellie just got like a little nickname for probably called him now. You're right. I tried I really tried good on you you remembered we all know what that it's not cause I Behind every bill has it's because I watched The Haunting so much. Yeah, they are the same story. I think yeah based off. Let's go spiral staircase. It's obviously the same. So I think we can finally talk about mom coming back. The end of the movie is really winding down. Everybody's dead. Dad is losing it. He takes his wife to the cemetery despite the warnings of the ghost who has returned and despite having killed his son. Yeah, and he argues that because she's so fresh. She'll come. Back and she will be herself which at this point you're just like dude grab like stress. You have learned nothing your this character did not grow. He did not learn a thing and he still hasn't addressed death. So I mean, I guess this is a tragedy and exactly that's just how it rolls. But when she comes back it is the coolest scene. Oh, yeah. It is the best it is so good with her one shoe slink it on in and then they reveal that she is only has half of a For me, it's gross. Yeah kid ate Judds lips ate mom's like I suck it out and she's just got like goo and fluids dripping from her while he's kissing her because he misses her so much. Yeah, like a universal monster may be just like tragedy strikes. She grabs that fucking knife and buries it in a mall. They're hugging. Oh, it's so good. Well, you assume that's okay over black John that is true. I can hear a scream. It could be it could be him distraught over having to kill his wife again. So what do you think about when he kills that little boy? I shouldn't giggle but he put the gas Trail right to the baby. He's like, oh we cannot forget here. Yeah, because he blows up the house or whatever. Yeah, but when he injects that kid, it's I forgot about that you like are you and yeah. Yeah, I think that's great because I like to think that the entity is trying to make that kids death as hard for him. As possible. It's not just like oh we've we're dealing with the three year old and the kid can only say a few words maybe and we're only going to get so much out of him. I really think that whatever's possessing his kid wants it to be so bad for him that he has to go and bury him another time. Yeah, right which would be great. It's funny that they didn't want to make that kid fall down and hit his head. So they just rolled a scene backward. I think that's what it looks like where he fought like you see him walking backward down the hallway and then he falls down. I'm sure they just had them. Leaning on the wall standing up and taking a few steps and then they rolled that film back. I wanted more pets you want to our pets? Yeah, it'd be a great fucking scene. We're just like that kid. If oh if that kids like all powerful and he just like raises his arms and all the pets just like the the fucking ground shakes and rumbles and they come up out of the wonderful see the problem is as I grew up with are Alstyne stories and not Stephen King stories. And so if pet cemetery was an RL Stein story, it would have been about pets it would have been better pets. I'm back from the dead versus the the dark the darkness inside a man's heart. Do ya I wanted yeah armies of Undead bunnies and like fluffy and zombie animals with collars on like that's great. Yeah bunny was like a one broken ear and eye ball hanging out of its socket and then somebody's like, oh, it's Misty you want to be in the Frankenweenie? Yes, that would be really cool. If any honestly if this was an RL Stein you'd have you'd have a book for each of those animals. You'd that would be a whole series like the pet cemetery franchise. Hmm. Okay. So after all said and done, how are you going to rate pet cemetery? This is really hard because it's not that hard. I know what my number is. It's in my head, but there are scenes in this movie that are four out of four. Yeah. There's a really cool elements. Yeah. It's a great concept piece. Like I love so many pieces of this movie, but you're right like, it's just I don't know. I think they don't they don't all fit together. Perfectly, I'm gonna give us a two out of four. I'm gonna give this a 2.5 out of four. Yeah, I'm sticking with that. I'm also going to get a two and a half out of four. Oh cool. Zelda stuff is really cool. But yeah, I just like I don't quite understand how everything fits together. It will be interesting to see the Remake kind of retell this in in more modern storytelling. I so this gonna fuck people up I guarantee it but that's gonna be the scariest part, but I also wonder should this maybe have been given the miniseries treatment. This have been given Maybe six hours to explore I said that a lot last year and I'm trying to say less this year, but it's yeah I'm with you like especially book adaptations. Something's going to get cut something is getting cut out of the I am going to guess. It's the nanny stuff. Yeah, nothing in there hanging. I might be the guy I'm kind of hoping it's going to be the ghost kid with the brains stuff. Mmm. I'm hoping he's not there at least a Manifestation of him that's a good question. Do we know the runtime is in this movie yet? Is that come out? I don't know. I could Google it right now. What are you doing? I'm just tapping on the table making it sound like going to keep working but it's not working. I'm not looking it up. But yeah, so I'm interested to see how it will do. Yeah, this movie was I had a lot of surprises. It was a lot different than I expected it to be and then like that scene when Gator that little top hat on. I'm like what is happening such a brilliant piece such such a genius move, but do odd nightmare logic in this movie just doesn't like it's amazing for what it is and then you're just like wait, but what ya know where did this cut is like Way out of left field. Yeah, Mary Lambert directed the fuck as movie and there's just there's too much material and and she was in love with all of it. And for good reason. It's all very good. I have to say Judd is the best character ever ever such a total Stephen King character to a fucking tea, but does he not belong in a fucking horror movie? He should be in every single horror movie. Oh, yeah every single one. I wish he was in Creepshow. He could be great in Creepshow. Maybe it's because of your mindset. I know. Everybody does he dies in this ain't no that's gonna be hard. I'm not looking forward to watching John. Let's go die. I never enjoyed that my god. I didn't even think of that far. Mmm. That's gonna make that death hurt. I'm definitely gonna cry in the theater fuck. Well, let us know what you thought of pet cemetery and Child's Play. Yeah, because I think if we tally up the scores for both of these movies, they both get a five out of eight together. We'd be two out of five are 2.5 out of I think Child's Play wins. No because I gave it a 3 and you gave it a to okay, and we both gave okay. Yeah, so tie. Yeah. Hmm. Interesting. All right, so head to Twitter a 1000 has podcast and let us know what you thought. You can also head to our Facebook group at facebook.com groups / horror fiends of nof s we are controlling transmission. 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We asked 100 horror fans to name their most anticipated* remakes of 2019 and survey said CHILD'S PLAY (https://nofspodcast.com/first-behind-the-scenes-photo-of-chucky-for-the-upcoming-childs-play-reboot/) and PET SEMATARY (https://nofspodcast.com/trailer-lock-up-your-kitties-we-have-the-first-teaser-trailer-for-pet-sematary/) ! Join Kim and Jon on this week's episode of Nightmare on Film Street where we find ourselves knee-deep in kinder trauma and malevolent magic with Tom Holland's CHILD'S PLAY (1988) and Mary Lambert's PET SEMATARY (1989). *CHILD'S PLAY may not be anticipated, quiz was misleading. This week, Patreon supporters (https://www.patreon.com/nightmareonfilmstreet)  can enjoy an exclusive companion episode where we continue the conversation on CHILD'S PLAY (1988) and PET SEMATARY (1989), and play a little game called “Deadly Dolls and Killer Kids” at http://www.patreon.com/nightmareonfilmstreet.

Hello and welcome everyone. Thank you so much for listening. This is embodied astrology. And this is your host Renee. I am a Consulting astrologer. I'm a sensate intuitive. That means I feel things through my body and I listened to those intuitions and use them in my astrological practice and I'm a creative person. I like to make art. I like to write I like to play in my life and embodied astrology as a synthesis of all those things.I use this space to think about the ways that astrology provides language for our experiences on Earth in today's episode. I'm going to be talking about the new moon in Gemini. I am recording this episode on the day of the new moon June 3rd, 2019 in today's episode. I am going to give you an astro update. I'm going to be talking a little bit about what's been going on in the last week. I've had a lot of people reach out to me asking what is Going on so I'm going to give my two cents on that may be talking about gays queerness pride month. Happy Pride everybody. And then I'm going to look at the chart of the new moon talk a little bit about the aspects of this new moon what's coming up in the next couple of weeks and months and I'll leave it at that, but I really want to invite you to do the new moon ritual with me, which is a special edition podcast. It is linked. To this one and that ritual is an automatic writing ritual Gemini of course rules words. It rules language. It also rules. Our minds. Our conscious minds are linguistic minds and it rules are wingspans the air in our lungs our collarbones our shoulder blades our arms. Our wrists are fingers and the way that we can just stick you late and create language through writing so You'll hear me talk a little bit about why today's new moon is so connected to our intuitive capacity in the upcoming segment. And then please check in with the ritual. 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Let's get into this astrology. Happy new moon. Hey friends. Do you have something you want to say or information that you want to share? Have you thought about making a podcast? If you haven't heard about anchor it's the easiest way to make a podcast. Let me explain first of all, it's free to use and you can use it on your phone or on your computer. There are built-in creation tools that allow you to record and edit your podcast right from your device. Anchor will distribute your podcast for you so it can be heard on. Spotify Apple podcasts and many other platforms the best thing or one of the best things I think about it is that you can make money from your podcasts with no minimum listener ships. It's everything you need to make a podcast in one place learn more about it and download the free anchor app or go to Anchor dot f m-- to get started. All right. So as I mentioned I wanted to just begin with a little bit of an update first item on the update its June. Happy pride month everybody. I want to give you a huge psychic big gay hug. Hello. Happy Pride. I would just like to Echo the sentiments that I read and see in so many places which is that Pride should be all the time. Not just one month. I truly believe that Your anus is healing and I think it's natural. I think that people exist in a spectrum of possibility and that queerness can move into so many different aspects of Our Lives. It's really not just about sexual preference. It's really not just about gender presentation. It's about how we relate to relationships and part of the shit that we're in right now part of the oppressive construct of white supremacist capitalist. ER Key is a disruption of our natural capacity to love and experience erotic pleasure with a huge and vast spectrum of experience not just even with other people but with our own bodies with the environment with the sunlight with so many different aspects of Nature and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. There's something very wrong with imposing. Sexual activity without consent there's something very wrong with giving people stories about moralism that if they feel particular urges than that means that they are a bad person. What do you think would happen if we totally changed the mental construct that's been put around sexuality and gender or even preference or eroticism. I mean, it's so much like I said so much bigger. Bigger than just fucking and talked really openly with children about consent and a multitude of vastness of different preferences and possibilities. What would happen if sex ed started quite young and some of the first lessons in sex ed were teaching people about their own bodies about their own body mechanics. Hey, you've got these organs and And they can produce pleasure in your body and they are yours they are yours. And if anybody else wants to play with them, they have to have your permission and if you want to play with anybody else's you have to have their permission. Why because it's better that way if we started sex ed with body awareness and consent and somewhere along the line if there was really open conversation about Kink. I think that this is one of the most interesting aspects of people's sexuality is that they can you know, we are of amazingly creative species and there can be so many things that produce pleasure for people. All kinds of things I'm not even going to get into the list. There's so many things and when there's a healthy expression consensual expression when it's something that is allowed for people to play with then it's incredibly healing when were closeted when we're shut off from our own experiences. When we think that we're bad. I think that can produce some kinky experiences for folks who get off on shame but a lot of people are suffering and feel like there's something really fucked up with them and feel like there's something really wrong and what happens when people are shut off from their erotic energy is that they become unhappy and resentful and the the charge of energy that they cannot express or that they feel so much Shame about turns into a tidal wave of toxicity and this then, Comes out in relationships. It comes out in oppression of other people. I mean how many times have you looked at? Whoever you know, whatever example it is of some person who's particularly bigoted and you thought I bet their closet homo or I bet that that person is soda little to the some story about what they can't express in themselves. Mike Pence is a good example. If you're familiar with Mike Pence the vice president of the United States right now. He won't even have dinner with a woman who is not his wife so much fear around women and sexuality and what might happen how much has been blocked for Mike Pence because of that and how much he now puts his efforts into blocking and shutting down. Else anybody else is expression of pleasure. Anybody else's bodily autonomy. So I want to say happy fucking pride month. There are a lot of places in the world that are really taking some good steps towards queerness towards queer acceptance. We've got a long way to go. There are many places in the world including in the Western World in the United States where people who are not living into heteronormativity are hunted and their lives are constantly in danger and especially people who are not living in to the gender binary if they're living somewhere in the truth of Their Own. And switch I think for most people is not on one end or the other but for the folks who really feel themselves as trans as non-binary that they cannot pretend. There's no reason for them to pretend they have to express themselves. This should be something that we celebrate. I think something that we really Elevate and Center as a possibility model, but many of these folks live in fear for their lives every single day. So with this pride month, I just want to Big up the queers out there. Thank you for expressing yourself and to all of you who feel yourself as straight if that's how you're identifying right now. Love to you too and just consider the possibilities consider all that there is in the spectrum of your experience and maybe lean into it a little bit. I know that as a person who kind of grew up in a pretty liberal. Unity comfortable in my female body comfortable in a femme identity and pretty comfortable with gayness had some examples didn't have any not too many, you know negative messages coming at me around that. I still didn't quite realize how queer I was until my mid-20s and in this last decade. Paid plus of Leaning into this identity. My life has gotten so much better. It's gotten so much better. I've been able to open to all different kinds of love to intimacy with friends that I never was able to experience before as a somewhat straight identifying woman. There's a lot of really negative story attached to straightness and especially for People with vaginas one of the hugely negative stories that we get put on ourselves around competition with other women and since opening to my own queerness. I've been so pleased to find that there are so many ways to love and express love with other people and like I said, it's not all sexual a lot of it is just opening my Minds to the possibility of non competitiveness. Of deep intimacy of friendship of appreciation feeling like I get to be myself I get to live in the body that I live in I don't need to change it. I don't need to constantly mess with it for somebody else's gays and standards and I imagine that the same goes for male identified male socialized people and I just want to say, you know, give it a try lean into it. There's a lot out there. and even if you still feel straight one of the great things about queerness is the lack of protocol since we're already doing something different and this I want to just take a minute to squeeze out a difference between gayness and queerness that there's the possibility to be gay homosexual and still be quite straight or normative in the sense that there can be pretty defined gender roles within same-sex relationships and their can definitely be the same kind of Hang-Ups around what a relationship needs to look like. There can be pretty similar boxes queerness is leaning into the wide open expanse telling a new story recognizing that the old story about one man one woman or Two people, you know together forever needing to act in particular ways. That's just one story that story has been developed. Really I think as a mechanism for fear and for control of our bodies if it's possible to remember that we don't own one another that we don't own one another's bodies and that we are all living in a constant state of evolution and we can explore that and just because you're part. Tanner wants to explore something doesn't mean that they won't love you anymore. This is not a vote for polyamory for everybody. But it is definitely a deep desire for all of us to put down the chains and break out of the boxes of monogamous normativity. Even if that just means conversations just conceiving of the possibility that we are allowed to be human beings in bodies that experience pleasure and attraction in many many many different ways. Just that alone. I think could stop War, you know If we can connect to our erotic pleasure, there is not as much need to buy shit in general. People are happier. Not as much need to take drugs because they are suffering from somehow being shut down or shut away from their Natural Instincts or deep desires or intimate connections where they can love and be loved as they are for who they are. If we are in touch with our erotic pleasure, we tend to be more in touch with other kinds of pleasure. Like what we want to do with our lives and what kind of food we want to eat and how to be compassionate and tender with all kinds of relationships including our relationship to the planet. So, I believe it's a goddess given right to have a body that experiences pleasure and that really the thing that we need to learn. And that we need to teach is how to access our bodies and what consent looks like. So happy Pride months. Lots of Gemini queers. Happy birthday Prince. May you rest in peace and may you come and bless all of us with your purple fabulous miss moving on guys gals folks this last. It has been quite a week some pretty tender and I think the feeling that I have for this astrology in this last week has been unearthing and maybe re earthing unearthing the earthing the main astrology that we've been kind of working within this last week and I really want to mention this because I've had a number of people reach out to me. On Instagram through email in person and ask what the fuck is going on. I feel so anxious a lot of anxiety in this last week and a fair amount of grief and then some people are killing it. They're having a really great time but energy is high and energy also feels a little bit ungrounded right now. So in the past week, we've had a number of Facts being formed by mercury in Gemini and Venus in Taurus. And these two planets have been aspecting the same planets but in different ways, so let's start with Venus Venus is currently in Taurus. This is one of the signs of its rulership their rulership and Venus. Of course, the planet of Love is in the sign of sensuality and abundance and body. And so Venus in Taurus is helping us connect with our inner knowing with are embodied in tuition with are very practical needs and wants Venus in Taurus needs to move slow and I would say that Venus in Taurus cannot lie. So if something does not feel good, there's not any way to make it not feel bad. And this is the thing about tourist speaking as a tourist. In person, you know that if something doesn't land right if it doesn't feel correct, it's just going to be this kind of nagging problem. That's going to be this irritation. So Venus in Taurus is helping us connect to our embodied knowing this is right for me. This is not right for me. Is it clear? Yes clear. No Venus in Taurus our Patron goddess of consent Venus formed a trying with Saturn. On May 31st. This was last Friday and just yesterday the day before the new moon on Sunday, June 2nd Venus formed a trying with Pluto. As you know, Saturn and Pluto are traveling together through Cardinal Earth the sign of Capricorn Venus, of course in fixed Earth, Taurus Saturn and Pluto are in a dancehall year and this summer this dance is Quite an interesting dance. They're both retrograde. They're both moving with the South node. There's a sense with Saturn Pluto coming together as they will exactly next January that we need to take control of something and in order to take control of something. We need to know what it is and the clarification process is one that requires a certain amount of action and things need to be cut away Pluto is a killing Force. It's also a transformational force Saturn once sustainability. Both of them together asked us to let go of what is not serving us in our lives so that we can commit to a long-term and Integris process of living into what is correct. In our lives Capricorn is a sign that encourages alignment Venus in Taurus Trine to Saturn and Pluto. This week is bringing some intuition forward this needs to end something needs to change if it's not bringing in tuition and it's bringing experiences themselves. Things are ending things are changing. Some of us are experiencing this with a sense of ease some of us are experiencing. This with fear some of us don't know what we're experiencing. But we are feeling these deep structures of our lives really starting to shift. We are sensing a very profound power that is coming through but we're not quite sure what it is. And so that can create some anxiety Venus was also in conjunct to Jupiter on the First on June 1st and Jupiter in Sagittarius. Along Transit a lot of information is coming through a lot of high wisdom High teachings. But if we're also paying attention to the world in any capacity, it could be just outside of your face, you know, but any kind of capacity external information could be very overwhelming with Jupiter in now and this Square Jupiter and Neptune, it can create a fair amount of anxiety and a fair amount of confusion and part of the anxiety and confusion is that things don't feel clear and one of the kind of biggest Sensations that surrounds this new moon. I'll get to the Newman chart in just a minute is this feeling of things aren't clear and that's really why this offering Day to connect with the liminal to connect with the unknown for an intuitive ritual because things aren't clear right now. We're in a moment of huge change on the planet. There is no way that we are not changing. Our environment is changing. There's so much change that's happening societally and politically big elections just happened in Europe the circus of United States politics just you know continues to be what it is a lot of stuff going on for people in their personal lives a lot of content coming through. I think a lot of folks really recognizing that they want to live in alignment that they want to be themselves as I was talking about just a moment ago, maybe that they really want to open to their erotic nature and that doesn't have any limit to it, but it's like I know Need to be more connected. I need to be living in a way that I actually give a shit about is really big theme for Saturn and Pluto in Capricorn what actually matters and as we ask that question we have to be prepared for things to fall down and fall away because all of us every single one of us has to give our time and attention to things that we don't really care about some of that is necessary. It's survival, but But plenty of it is not necessary and Jupiter with Neptune is asking us to measure and weigh the possibilities with the actual path and both of these planets weren't expansion. It's our job right now to feel into the spiritual expansion into the sacred expansion. There are a lot of ideas there may be A lot of kind of arrows, you know that we're wanting to shoot off directions that we want to go in stimulation that we feel like we need to respond to but if something doesn't really resonate as right if we if we start to go down that path is going to create anxiety and if we're in a place where we don't know and we're asking questions that's not at all a bad place to be but there's some anxiety in there. Mercury this past week has been forming aspects to these same planets. So on May 30th Mercury was in conjunct to Saturn and opposite to Jupiter and so Mercury and Gemini is the sign of the Mind. Excuse me, the planet of Mind in the sign of its rulership opposite to Jupiter in Sagittarius the planet of opportunity and Big Ideas. In the sign of its rulership. So both of these planets functioning very strong stimulating the Gemini's Sagittarius axis and this again for some so exciting opportunities are coming. You're moving fast. You're making connections you're ready to go and some of us, holy shit hold onto your hats. What do I do with all of this stuff? I feel overwhelmed along with the square with Neptune. There might be Be a sense of like I can't even think right now. There's so much stimulation for me. It was like this all last week. I felt brain dead. I felt like oh my God, I just I can't even turn my brain on all I could do was sleep and try and clean my house and that's not a bad thing to do with this aspect right now. We definitely want to move slow get in touch. Once again with the intuitive sense connect with more of a spiritual experience. And if you are a person who's not experiencing these transits with a lot of Eight men and pleasure sleep is great. Rest is really good meditation is good. There does not need to be clear answers right now for most of us. There are plenty of things that don't feel clear on the 31st Mercury formed its in conjunct to Pluto. So Mercury and conjunct to Saturn and in conjunct Pluto is part of this feeling of like my brain isn't working Saturn and Pluto in Capricorn once again, Are serious and their tone there's a somberness potentially a feeling of grief for some of us or a feeling of intensity at the very least. We might not be able to place what it is both Pluto and Neptune. These outer planets have a cultural connotation. They are connected to the era to the time and we're sensitive beings. We're sensitive to the world around us. And we don't even need to know why or what's going on. But if you're feeling like you just need to stay in bed. I feel you I'm with you do that as much as you can just know that these next couple of months as we move into a Mercury retrograde as we move into a clip season are bringing a lot of change. There's more and more stimulation that's coming in if we're in a place of thinking that we know something we're also Oh in a place of setting ourselves up for potential anxiety because the things that we know are shifting and they're shifting rapidly. So it's a really good time to take one step at a time to begin your days by even just five minutes of connecting to your body connecting to your purest intention and really trying to move carefully one step at a time. You don't need to make your plans for next year right now. I know some of you feel that you do and some of you Including me but there's also a real feeling that I have right now have all of these plans could change and I want to be open to that. I don't want to get too attached to things working out in the way that I think that they are going to work out because things are changing so that brings me to today's new moon. Today's new moon at 12 degrees of Gemini. So special day for me. I have a lot of Gemini Sagittarius in my chart. Maybe you can tell Well, but at 11 degrees of Gemini, I have Vesta in my chart and so I feel very deep Devotion to this sign. I feel a very deep Devotion to words and to language as a healing possibility of Chiron in Gemini and part of that generation. So yes, I feel invested in committed to healing in the mind healing through words healing through language and that for me is My intention for this new moon and I would invite you to share it Gemini of course rules words, it rules language and it rules the mind. If you're unfamiliar with Gemini, please listen to the last podcast. I put out called meet your mind. So forecast and month ahead. Look at Gemini season, and you can also listen to your horoscopes for Gemini season, and you'll learn a lot. A lot more about where Gemini is in your chart and that might help you contextualize this new moon because a new moon is always a new beginning the sun and the moon are coming together in body astrology the sun and the moon are right and our left eyes and there are two primary lights The Luminaries, they form our main experience and our main experience as human beings with brains as contrasted. There's daylight. There's my time. There is this way there is that way what our minds do is compare and that's really the strength of the mind is to compare to discern to put language around something. But when the mind is elevated as the only way of knowing our experience becomes pretty boring and that's really the area that we're in I think and the Kali Yuga the age of mediocrity human beings thinking that they are Supreme that their minds know everything and that, you know language is God or something like this like we've forgotten how to connect to our intuition and real sense of sacredness. PSA sacredness is not religion religion is a box religion is a story sacredness is an experience that everybody has in their own unique and special way. So new moon intentions for Gemini May we experience the healing power of words may we learn to connect with language as a function that can heal the gift in the beauty of Which is that when we can describe our experiences we can validate them we can share them. We can look into them and inquire into them in a different way than when we cannot articulate them. May we heal in our minds may we heal false binaries? May we bridge the gap may we explore and celebrate our natural state of childlike curiosity? Easa T. This is the Gemini archetype of the Curious ones and the twins those who share communication by Whispering. Hey, did you see that thing happening over there obscure got a story for you. The Sparks of curiosity that lead us to new discoveries to new ideas. May this fill our new moon days. So today June 3rd is the day of the new moon and as I release this podcast, we're just a couple of hours out from the new moon the next 48 or 72 hours are wonderful times to begin this new cycle. Set your new moon intentions and you make an offering to the Dark Moon and the Dark Moon is the time when things are not illuminated. So we don't really know what's their it hasn't grown into a form that we can identify and articulate yet. We have to feel into it with our sensate awareness. And as I mentioned in the last podcast Mercury and Gemini when Airlifted to their highest vibration our correspondent with the planet Venus and Venus of course is the planet of love. And so these last this last week with all these aspects between Mercury and Venus with Saturn Pluto and Jupiter one of the the ways, I think we've been being challenged is to move from our minds into our hearts. We might not know with our minds, but if Can connect to our hearts we will know what we need to know in the moments when we need to know it when we shut down from our hearts and our minds take over. Generally, we don't make great decisions being in the heart does not mean being in the emotional fluctuation. It really does not that's something that's different being in the heart is being centered. It's connecting to your true nature to your higher self. Today with the new moon. We are still very much in and being affected by Venus Trine to Pluto and I want to call in that energy for our new moon intentions and New Moon ritual Pluto is the dark goddess the planet of death and transformation and rebirth everything that comes in to form must die that includes all of our relationships are Bodies all of our possessions the planet itself has gone through so many lifetimes so many cycles. We have to trust this process. We have to trust that regardless of what we might think about it and the moment by moment experience. There is some kind of divinity. There's some kind of order there's some kind of sacredness in all of this and at sacredness could be in the star stuff, but it's really not up to us. It's not in the realm of our control. And so we call Venus Trine to Pluto as an energy into support this moment. We do not know the most that we can do right now is really land as fully as possible in our present experiences in our bodies and our relationships. We can take deep breaths. We can try not to get caught up in the stories. This is how Gemini reaches its high vibration. It doesn't get caught up in the stories. It doesn't get caught up in the comparisons of mind. We rest into the truth of our hearts and into the truth of our bodies. There are no exact aspects from the Sun or the moon today other than to each other. But there is this fading Square from Mercury to Neptune and there isn't an applying square of both the Sun and the Moon to Neptune and so pretty much right now in a couple of hours the moon will form of square root of Neptune in about a week little under a week the sun will form a squared of Neptune and again, Pisces connecting us to our intuition to the dream space. I've really been enjoying thinking of Neptune in Pisces as Maya as the illusion and the dream that we're living in and Gemini loves the facts loves the information the square presents a challenge. We have to see beyond the immediate information. We have to see beyond what our minds can grasp and somehow connect to this larger intelligence what I am going to call a sense of sacredness and you can call it whatever you like, but there's Very much a challenge right now to connect with with a sense of intuition and to trust that intuition and the challenge doesn't mean we can't do it in some ways. It means we must do it. We are pressed to do it through the square energy. It creates a dynamic necessity tomorrow Mercury will move into the sign of Cancer and as mercury comes into cancer where supported to give voice to our feelings to talk about what's really in our hearts and It's quite personal. We're supported to communicate to those that we love and to put language around our bonds cancer can be very sensitive. And if it's feeling sensitive if it's feeling threatened or fearful cancer can definitely put up a wall. And so with Mercury in cancer. We want to be curious about the ways that we shut down. Definitely the walls between the mind and the heart is something that cancer can do a little bit. So good things to pay attention to over these next coming weeks, especially because as mercury enters cancer, we are starting to move into Mercury retrograde the next cycle. So the shadow of Mercury retrograde will begin on June 20th. And the shadow is would Mercury starts to Traverse terrain that it will have to come back to and it's retrograde Mercury enters Leo on June 27th. It turns retrograde at 4 degrees of Leo on July 7 that will move back into cancer on July 19th. It will come all the way back to 23 degrees of cancer. And then it turns Direct on August 2nd. It's my birthday and then the shadow ends on August 15th. So as mercury moves into cancer, we are entering into one of the phases three times a year when the mind is really needing to turn back on itself to stop the forward moving momentum for a hot second and consider options consider choices and intent between the influences right now from Pluto and Neptune in this upcoming retrograde. There is so much unknown. There's such a huge feeling of change and these kind of big forces that again are totally outside. Our control Eclipse season is coming up next month in July and lots lots is changing. This is the time to connect with our higher selves with our intuitive selves with the gods and the goddesses and the spiritual friends and our allies our ancestors our guides. This is the time. This is also the time to connect with each other. Joyfully with curiosity and friendliness Mercury and Gemini mercury in cancer. So it's my intention for this new moon and I'm going to move into the ritual the new moon ritual for connecting with higher wisdom connecting with the higher self or intuition. And this ritual is an automatic writing ritual and it really is for The astrology of today particularly these aspects with Pluto particularly the aspect with Neptune as I mentioned mental energy feels kind of unclear right now and for me this practice of connecting intuitively through the the hands hand-eye coordination words drawing shape language is very relieving. It's very pacifying to me when I'm in a space of anxiety or feeling like a don't know things or like I should know or something like that and it's a really great exercise for connecting with your intuitive capacities. And it's something that I have used a lot that I continue to come back to so I really hope that you enjoy and if this is it for you today, and you're going to continue on making your own For this time the stay this place may be a blessed day and happy bright. Thank you so much for listening everyone. Bye for now.

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Boys and girls, welcome back to be inspiration space. Today's episode is one of those that men absolutely massive amounts me. I'll explain in a second who's with I just wanted to talk a little bit about today's sponsor. Which is four five CBD for five CBD is a CBD oil and product company that is owned by George Crews and on day two professional rugby players. I've had them on the show before this and back. The episode is really really good just for clarity. I'm not making any money off of this sponsor. I something that I generally believe has a huge could have a huge positive impact on your lives if used in the right way. I've been using it recently to really help me in my sleep. Scott has been helping me a lot with any anxiety that I've been having during my days. I only take two drops in the evening. And yeah, it's just really helped me in those two areas really has had a really positive impact on me. So if you're interested in purchasing that I definitely suggest it head over to four fives for five CDs website. I will leave the link and this promo code for 25% off in my body in my show notes. So if you go over thrown anything you want into your basket and just type in Inspiration 25, you'll get 25% off your order. Okay today guys. I had Russell Lewis military cross on the show. So Russell is actually the brother or Vanessa Morton somebody who I've come to know very well through the podcast I've run twice she is a psychologist and has had a really significant impact on My Views and thinking towards a lot of mental Mental Health Angles on Zone a variety different things Russell is most one of the most exceptional blokes I've ever had the pleasure of speaking to he was the commander in charge of the 2nd battalion in Afghanistan for six-month tour that really really changed his life and his approach to a lot of things. He had been in the Army for a very long time prior to being the commander for this Battalion and his approach to leadership more than anything. Is the reason I really wanted him on this show and it's really the theme of the episode. Let's say I literally couldn't I couldn't you could probably hear a pin drop from my side in this from my side in this interview because I was just absorbing everything he had to say his book which is one of the best that I have ever ever read. It's called company commander and honestly, I'm going to leave the link to it. You'll be able to pick up on Amazon. It's a helluva were is most Credible read and it's basically his day-to-day Diary of everything that happens within that six month from you know, having a ridiculously close encounters with militia. That was there. Just everything about it how he how he led his troops on a day-to-day basis and his passion really is that leadership doesn't matter whether he did it at the highest level where lies on the line his honest believing thing. He's most passionate about is leadership is It's variable into any environment the same leadership that we use there is transferable to any environment and I really urge you to listen through out because if this guy is positive and is attitude and everything the way he approaches day-to-day life is remarkable and I was really felt privileged enough to just speak to him for an hour. I'm definitely going to get on the show in the future. So yeah guys absorb. Listen and enjoy it's real real Corker Russell. It's been a long time coming. I've been really really looking forward to getting you on the show. We've had a lot of back and forth. I've read your fantastic book sitting next to me company Commander. Read it on holiday in Majorca fantastic read. So I just want to say thanks for taking time out of your busy schedule for coming and having a chat while leaving the time to spare me an hour, which is massively appreciated. I think the best thing for me to do right now is probably just for you to give introduce yourself give a little bit of background. On who you are and kind of how your life Journey kind of LED you into the army. Yeah, Phil. Thank you. As you say it's great to finally get together. It took awhile with Diaries. Yeah. Yeah say, my name is Russell Louis. I am former regular army officer now a reservist officer. So part-time but basically spent all of my adult life in the Army as an officer in the parachute regiment, I think background wise as I was telling this story, so when I was four, My grandparents took me to what was the role tournament which doesn't exist anymore. Unfortunately see this massive show that the Armed Forces put on in healing has caught sorry London. It was massive and each year. The service is revoked. Eighth Army Navy Air Force would lead but I remember us about probably four or five my grandparents took me and it was the wrong brains actually ironically did this did did the final attack and he's like guys abseiled down from the ceiling and they're all firing and these armored vehicles. The bevies which are Arctic vehicles came in and I remember just sitting there utterly transfixed and thought Oh my God. That's what I want to do much to my parents sort of decision a pretty much got I was and then my doll forward my secondary school, you know went to a 13 how to get that Force and and that was probably from where it launched from something that I wanted to do to an absolute Obsession so you could enjoin the cadet Force. You were 14. So year for you had to do that first year you had to do a taster of D of e and Cadet force and all this other stuff. I did Army and I was so obsessed. I used to hang outside the cadet Force, huh? Every lunch time till someone came out and said look, who are you just come in and they got headmaster's dispensation for me to join the cadet force a year early. Wow. I remember going on summer camp because I was the only one from my year with all the you know, the big Lads and being scared witness, but we Went to a place called stoneybridge, which is in Wales when we got there. The parachute regiment were there to power the second Battalion the parachute regiment and I'll start major got us together and said steer away from these guys. They are Auto Psychopaths and that was a warning and we've been out and about there's a thing called an athlete which would be this big bar cafe and a coupling I would come in there. You know. I was only 13 going in there to buy me a chocolate bar at night and I walked in and it was just this sea of maroon. So the parish Region where this maroon Berry and all the guys were in there. They're all smoking and they're all canned up in all the faces black and because they've been out doing a night shoot and they've got all their rifles on the floor and I walked in and I can see my friends at the bar, you know buying some chocolate and some trying to weave my way through all these parents to get to the bar and accidentally booted one of their rifles just kick caught my foot and this rifle spun across the floor and stood up in front of me and I was like, she could offer college and it's going to pull my head off ha ha ha Oh, sorry. Wait, let's try to make them worry about it and just and kicked the rifle back under the table. I'm still stood there because like a rabbit like chance fixes right there. You're right. It was like I'm so sorry mate, don't worry. So I got to borrow my Mesa God you suppose your parrot, you know, yes, but I was utterly obsessed. It's all I wanted to do. I decided not to go to university because that just seemed like that was just getting in the way. So I took a year out and then her past election to go to Santa. Joined the joined the army and then whilst at Sandhurst decided to join the parachute regiment approach to the parachute regiment who is always in your mind to join them. No, it wasn't because when I was 14, I read it amazing book called to powerful plans and it's about to power in the fall shorts and which is the parachute regiment has two of its things which are sort of integral to its culture and its ethos, which is Arnhem and the Falklands, which is basically always wear. are the parachute regiment Prides itself on fighting light and fast so you don't carry much kit UK lots of ammunition and you go fast and yeah, you know you attack something in going fast and the Falklands and it and on and my both examples of where seriously outnumbered they just fought and fought and fought hard and you know on and they didn't win but the way they conducted themselves was phenomenal and in the Falklands, they the way they conducted themselves phenomenon in Goose green, which is one of Press back long as they were outnumbered three to one and they just just has an ethos of you can't beat me love that. Yeah, you know, we'll are you might what there's three of you and one of me cool bring it, you know, you can't beat me and because that's its ethos it resonated with. Yeah, and but I thought well they obviously don't take mere mortals. Like I can't even approach them because I thought they wouldn't take a mere mortal like me, but when I got to sand us I approached them and they won't no, yeah Titan, it's all okay, and I went through the interview process which is you know is very serious and then was selected and then I said you didn't have to go and do the physical section once you finish Sanders which you've got through which is brutal and you and then amazingly dial forward and found myself going straight to Northern Ireland and found myself arriving at to power which was the Battalion that I loved and then meeting guys who Colour Sergeant since all majors and in my head going flat if I heard that name and then looking at my book too powerful currents and these guys were private soldiers and Lance corporals and Falklands, you know, and now they're coming salt majors and they're what's called Ellie officers late entry officers, you know lecture. I I'm I'm walking with Heroes and I'm meeting my heroes. So again, and I had a Falklands veteran in my platoon, you know a guy I've been there and I just just sort of blew me away. Yeah. So yeah. Yeah, so then ended up with a parachute regiment had 20 amazing years combination of which I'm sure we're going to talk about this in 2008 other company commander in Afghanistan for a six-month summer tour which was incredibly hard but also phenomenal, you know, it's sort of a anything you felt like I was put on this planet to do. I was awarded a military cross for leadership and gallantry on that tub, but I would always say genuinely that represents. My soldiers did it doesn't represent anything special that I did genuinely. I am not a hero. I had phenomenal soldiers and the system recognized the phenomenal things that my soldiers did by saying. Well, you must have done something to get them to do that, but I would always say no actually that it's ours not mine. I then had incredible opportunity to write a book and again that is luck and Ansem told the story around the book to some book groups. It makes people shudder because people try so hard to get books published. And what's the story? My sister won't like it so much that my sister's first husband. She's not only on number two. And number two is phenomenal. He's awesome. But my sister's first husband was a professional rugby player. He had written his biography and he mentioned me to the public. My brother-in-law's Afghanistan at the moment and they said oh we're looking for somewhere to books. Does he want to write a book? So I got an email Afghanistan saying, you know Russ this is the Publishers if you fancy writing a book, you know, they'd be interested. But what had happened was I started journaling but for five years before that, I think journaling is a phenomenal activity takes discipline and I started on Northern Ireland tour actually that I just I like this idea of writing down how a days gone on writing how you feeling or writing thoughts and/or capture. Chewing something and I realized when I went to Afghanistan that the The Experience would be so unique that would be worth capturing all of it because you think you will remember stuff and you don't so what is pretty much doing Afghanistan its therapy small T is writing a side of a for a day of the day so I could capture the detail. In fact again the quick funny story or some member I used to do this quite religiously, so and be a space in a Became bit like we talked about earlier bit of me time because allowed to leave me alone. We have this like back office and we were in this old Afghani sort of Fort is the way you describe it. But the back when I say back office, it was one of your rooms that have been all the windows are blown out and stuff, but we've made the desk and I used to sit there and I used an ink pen which sounds a bit pompous. But again, it's something lovely about using an ink pen on paper. It's very relaxing. So I realized this this did become my therapy while I was out there and My in my intelligence Sergeant you lovely guy was a liverpudlian so Scouts and I'm not really excellent by the way sure it but one of the lads my Roblox had come around to try and find me and Scout is outside and I'm right on Saturday desk and he stops this young man answers, but you know what you're doing. So I need to speak to the company Commander said what about he said? Well we've had this message said is it importantly went? Well don't think so. They said well it can wait then leave him and they're having this conversation by a broken window, but the sort of Looking like the window is intact. I can't hear them. So the private soldiers or says what was he doing? So what he's writing? So yeah, it does it. Does that every day Denise? Yes. What's he writing? He's got a posh pain. But again, I didn't I didn't want to write a book I did but I didn't that make sense and then I got back and I mulled over from there and then Journalist was on our tour and he's book came out and I thought well, he'd have told the story but our most serious incident was we lost three soldiers in one incident which was of worse than Afghanistan. We had to Awful days, but that was one of them and I thought and I remember being a book shop in London and I'm leafing through his book and he had interviewed me for two and a half hours about that one day and you know, he's journalist and he had to write a whole book about Holter. The whole Brigade very big and complex, but the loss of my Lads which was the biggest single loss of British lives in Afghanistan at that point in one incident. Unfortunately, I've been beaten or three quarters of a page and I and needs to do it. Like I genuinely looked at that and thought right if he's if he hasn't told our story and he's not going to tell our story of B company to prayer. I will and that email dead. Virgin Random House publishing and said, I don't know if you remember we could we have a chat. He said please do I came in and I had the journal and he said look don't tell what just tell me tell me a couple stories. I've cleared my diary tell me a couple of stories. So I told him three random stories that have almost become a storyboard actually have people book me too and they give me some time in our I do three stories. I do a mad day a bad day and a great day. So I do one of you know, these are Different days one of them which is utterly mad for different reasons the bad days the loss of life and then the great day was when we assaulted in an enemy command and control mode. It was phenomenal and at the end of it he just went right? Okay, great. You write it or publish it. That's the view that was once and again, I've met people of you know, sent manuscripts a hundred ninety times. Yeah clearly want to kill me when I tell my story again. I love you with it, you know just want to go through iter. What's that? It goes, right? So don't sense you do it so much that it was some of the write it for you. Just give me a journalist. I know and then yeah, then wrote the book and then it was published which I still cannot believe again. I pinched myself like you've bought it with you and I see so it's bit battered. No, no. No, I love that means it's red and I pinch myself, you know, like when I see it and yeah, and then it's interesting because when I was writing the book this is going to sound like I'm some boober Make run blindly not just ask my sister. I wrote the book and I was doing a master's the army pay for me to do a masters at the same time leadership and management. Yeah, these shamash important business school and MSC and I just found a Groove. I just loved the writing which I said if you went back in time and spoke to the sort of nine year old version of me and said your idea of heaven will be sitting down writing 2,500 words. I would not believe you. Yeah amazing. Yeah and it but then yeah they said so don't fall. I'd left the Army and then started doing my own thing and then just do a hotchpotch of things now mainly around training. So I do leadership training high performance team training doing more resilience training as well for individuals and teams lot of my own clients, but do someone's called a social worker to work for a great firm called clear track clear Track Performance lovely ex professional rugby player called marks Odom runs that it's a brilliant guy and it again I like I like Let's do some associate work with particular people like hand because you learn from others here is a bit of a danger of just doing your own thing because you can stagnate but then part of the thing is I don't want to stagnate because I think leadership is always evolving and I don't want to I do tell stories but they're from 2008 and that's quite a long time ago. I think you've got to keep topping up yourself and Topping up your experiences. So I'm Ambassador for a charity. I'm in the Army Reserves. I joined the Army Reserves. I work in santurce. Center for Army leadership, which is the Army's leadership think tank. So again that keeps me very current. They do some awesome work and they're always exploring emerging themes and Trends and I said very randomly. I'm also a board director for the National Association of commercial Finance Brokers Tom and Ned. So I do sort of day or month day every other every other month for them as well. It's amazing. Honestly, there's about a thousand things. I could have I could pick on there to talk about it. Really Able to hear yabbies is this wigs that I can hear you in? This book that I've been reading but it's like actually get it's fun. They say basically when people have met me and I give them a copy of the book. Yeah if met me and then they buy it. Yeah, they say how funny is because it because it's a first-person real-time Diaries your that was The Way It Was Written the Publishers suggested because my journal was third person reflective. So we went out we dig so I wrote it at the end of the day and that was Was the hardest part is I had to rewrite it real time. But the idea was is that your sat on my shoulder and you will come with me on this six-month tour and I will narrate to you but it also means that's why the straight line from the original copy of the book was what would you do? So because I'm telling you first person what is happening? You could almost press pause. Sure go. Okay Russell's just describe this situation. What would you do and then you can press play and keep going to go. Well, this is what I did for right or wrong. Again, people say when they met me before hand is like they say it's like you're narrating it to me your voice is now an amazing the book to be main before we get on to the main topic of leadership. I mean just talk about journaling just a little bit more. You went through some extremely challenging and difficult periods in that six month how how did writing it down? Like you said it was it was therapy, but Did it was it difficult to get it down on those specially those difficult days. Was it challenging to write it down or was it more like a release just to get it down on paper? Yeah. I know that that's a really good question actually because At the time it was really good release just to get it down on paper now fortunately for me. I was so busy. I didn't have a huge amount of time to myself which was not a bad thing. Secondly why I realized in Afghanistan the penny dropped was and this can sound quite dramatic, but particularly hell are all four day. What it said to me is do you know what when you lead it is all about them. It is not about you. Everyone needs something from you right now and your job is to deliver it and so do not worry about yourself. Now again, probably finesse was listening she would correctly argue that's going to be damaging but I thought I have a responsibility. I am an officer in the British army. I'm not suing the parachute regiment. All of my soldiers need me to do something for them right now. So do it and park your emotions, you will come back to yourself later on but is not about you. Okay is about them and I believe in that Sandhurst motto, which is not very nice. English is served to lead but it means the reason why you are serving is to lead others and that is utterly writing problem. You know, I could be dramatic and her British army officer. So no for leaders, you know, you should lead there is a responsibility to go that goes with that. So the book that has three the journal was a release, but when I came to write the book that probably became therapy much bigger T. And oh my God, I hit points where I could write five thousand words a day, you know when I was in the groove, And it took me less than six months to write the book because obviously had the journal and I could do a week in a day, but it took me five days to write the one day when we had the suicide bombing incident and because I was so conscious of who would be reading it firstly people would read it. But secondly, there's a strong chance that the parents of the three that died would read it and therefore I had to get it perfect, but it also meant I had to relive that day every day for five days solid. I thought I'm going to do this. I'm going to get this done but I was challenging. I mean, this is probably a good point to kind of read the little extract that I wanted to pull out my first got here. I was thinking about in the car on the way over and you kind of touched on it there about leadership and it's it is all on the day of that incident. It is at this instant. I truly understand leadership. It is all about those that you command at that single moment. They will need you more than you need yourself your feelings your emotions. Your thoughts are utterly irrelevant. It is there's there are important and I just I mean you told when we first go at you like you get annoyed when people say oh, yeah, but in the Army is slightly different, but I mean I kind of I mean I manage a small team but that's honestly something that I really try and do now after reading that but I did try and do it before but I really I'm at I sort of a lived to sort of manage them and their feelings are really they're so important to me and the business and I like I've kind of learned that from almost that chapter obviously, obviously the very different circumstances, but I kind of Moving forward that's the way I kind of view what leadership is now because of that. So I mean I think muscle first question around leadership with you know, did you always have these leadership qualities or more? Was it something you grew and you learn as you went along. I mean this one of the things about this podcast is about a growth mindset. I mean, yes about constantly having that flexibility of and I learned this from Vanessa. Yeah that's ability of action and thought and I mean, that's a massive question. Did you did you always have these leadership qualities? That is again. I think that's that's the question. So I'm I've just written a it's not a book. It's probably more of a pamphlet for Durham University. I did a lot of work with Durham University now with the students training student executive, which is brilliant. I really I really like what I call Bright Young things, you know hungry young people who want to learn about leadership, but that that, you know, the ongoing question is always are leaders born or bred discuss. It's like I sort of Sandhurst essay question. Sure. I believe the answer is yes. What we teach is for both. Okay, because I think that some people are born with every just some people are born great leaders. They will just have all the skill set that is requires that enables them to and again I suppose I'm very soundbite Rich. I'm very quite Rich. What do I think leadership is is probably a good starting point. Now I think leadership is about being the person that your people need you to be when they need you to be it because I think of all the great people I've worked for and I work for some phenomenal people in the Army and I've seen some phenomenal people since I've left is when you watch them they had the they have phenomenal emotional intelligence the and again my definition of most intelligence for what it's worth is understanding the impact you have on others. It's a great leaders understand what's going on with their team right now understand the team and the individuals needs and provide it. So, what do you need me to? Because some some teams need you to be put their arm around them and and give them nice words and something just need a fucking ghetto kick and a shovel whatever but great leaders get that spot on and the converse is true. So some of the bad leaders of work for and yeah, unfortunately we learn a lot from Bad leaders and the Army is no different to any other organization. It has phenomenal leaders. It has not so good leaders. They got it wrong. So when the team needed a hug it gave taboo and when the team needed Boot It gave it a waffle a speech and so, you know, I I really got that so some people have it but I think leadership is a skill set and like in any skill set. It can be learnt and it can be bettered through practice. And so, you know again, if you sort of thought I'm not a great leader don't worry create the opportunities to learn and improve your skill set. It's a skill set. It's like a muscle memory. You know, I know what you It's a muscle that can be improved. It's what do questions actually do. I think I had it. I don't know if I'm probably not but I think like everything things come together. Don't they? I mean, I remember when I went to Afghanistan I felt so phenomenally prepared for it. You know, the Army prepares you brilliant. I mean again, what way does it accelerate it that that's what well again what I find amazing. I you know, I work with all sorts of organizations now big and small. All particular when you work with a big organization you chat to the chief exec wherever they go. I love the day you're going to be delivering Russ. I love the look of it. You know for whoever team I'm delivering it for ya. I'd love I'd love to have had something like this when I started and I say to me, oh, you know what how much leadership training. Have you had through your career tone? Um, yeah versus the army, which is Santos is a year. That's a whole year and what is it is training you to be a leader and and through your career. You'll do other courses. You'll be expect you'll be put in positions where your leadership is challenge. So I it's almost the other way, you know it trains you all the time to improve your leadership. Well, and I find it amazing with how many organizations do not train their leaders because then it's almost like chance or luck that you're going to have a great leader in the organization unless that individual is going out of their way to develop themselves. So I think I probably had some Sparks if that makes sense, but I think the Army probably know Richard them and develop them. And as I said, I felt phenomenally well prepared when I went to Afghanistan and I think we as a company will well prepared and I think that probably bore out when we were there actually that you know, the latter I mean the lads were phenomenal. I love that appreciation you show in the book for you take consistent me like how much pride you had and I'll sort of how much appreciation you had for your troops. I mean, I think the first Bit the book is your home your you talk about your hero being that guy the front of that's probably my favorite bet ya see. I was last year. I was asked to do a speech before lunch. Like I read that as the extract and again, you probably liked this story. So where did where did that become family came from? You know the realization as I said, I used to watch the point man walk out. And as I said that the Maya wrote to the point man just for everyone is the guy that leaves he's a very tip of the spear right and I we'd you know, their normal day in Afghanistan will be getting Up at 3 or 4 in the morning because it's cool, you know and in the summer, I mean it's Afghanistan is a mind-bending place. But in the peak of the summer is hitting 50 degrees Centigrade at midday and that is and we carry 80 pounds of Kit your body armor, which is it's not a bulletproof vest but that is the equivalent sure and helmet. So You Can't Sweat, you know, you're not in shorts and t-shirt your boots full clothing body armor helmet and then kit 80 pounds of kickoff you walking around. In 45 degree heat, it's been five months so hard so we used to get up early to go out on night vision goggles to get somewhere while it's cool and then do what we needed to do but as that played out, I remember watching so many times is the sequence was almost identical that we'd all be set and I'd be sapping my group I have what's called a Detachment. I have a group. I have do the mention now Mark Barker lance corporal Barker box was my radio operators. He always comes with me and he An unofficial role of bodyguard as well and he's just the most phenomenal guy. So loyal to me and you know, just so loyal it's called Mad Dog and you don't get the nickname Mad Dog in the parachute regiment for no reason but like most Mad Dogs, he's phenomenal oil and you know, I love that man in the in the sort of sort of Band of Brothers sense. He was so loyal to me, but he would always be with me and that you know, I got comfort from always having him with me and I could always talk to him as well. He's very very low so he I could always talk to him, but I used to just watch this scene unfold as everyone checked in because you could look through your night vision goggle and see everything going on everyone would check in and basically we're all good to go. And then I'd say to my Ops room. We're good to go. And I'd say right, you know to the front call sign. Let's go over the radio and I click my goggle out the way and you just watch it unfold you said you'd see that the glow of the cigarettes and as we smoking and you'd see there. The bright glow, you know the last token and then it's stamped out and then you'd see them having to pull each other up because we've got so much kit on and then I'd click the goal down rather watch and I just see this young private Soldier, you know, as I set the front in the book. I don't know who he is because I can't see that far and I Regional or but you know, he's probably a 19-year old lad, you know, he's joined the army and he's joined the army because he wants to be part of the best and he's joined the parachute regiment could he wants to be part of the best but I never saw a backward glance, you know, he would just show Can just walk straight out into this like this Abyss this darkness. And as I say in the book, you know, he has no idea what's in front of him. He knows what's behind him is 65 armed to the teeth paratroopers, you know, as I said that that mentality you can't beat me and you certainly can't beat us with all the Firepower we've got, you know, you can't on the battlefield, you know, the amount of Firepower that they can deliver their I could call in which we means it's very very unlikely that we will be tactically beaten. But that's not to say that that young lad doesn't know that all that is in front of him is the unknown and he is statistically the most likely to bump bump into the enemy and just get on with it. Yeah, and and you know and therefore probably most at risk because you know Afghanistan it's the time from get all the guns into action. But that means that the front end of it that initial minute is just slightly a good old-fashioned gunfight. Yeah, you know, it's guys with rifles. Again it out until me the company Commander can start calling in artillery and mortars because once the big guns start coming in swings back in my favor core, but that nishal point. Yeah that that initial point is he's getting all bets are off. Yeah. Yeah because the enemy is going to initiate they'll see you coming. They can see you come into he's going to initiate on his terms. He's going to start firing at you. So he's swinging in his favor and it will swing back in our favor as soon as I can get the big guns in but for that initial 30 seconds to a minute. Minute it is just young parachute regiment soldiers flipping slugging it out with someone and that's why I was always so much in all of them, you know, because they'd come in that sort themselves out and then to go again tomorrow and again tomorrow, maybe I mean no, I mean the number one thing I really took from from this book and regards to leadership. And what made my mind Boggle was the ability that you kind of had to respond react pressure and and setbacks quickly, you know, like, you know, You get information very fast in the most abrupt kind of way and you have to react and you talk we spoke a little bit before we started recording about you know, how you're deeply passionate about how yeah, that's an extreme sense of leadership, but it's very transferable into every living environment. I mean, but I mean and I'm that fascinates me and I really want to talk about that but I mean talk us through those moments in the book and throughout your career where You've had to react and what the kind of processes that go through your mind in those moments of complete and utter chaos. I mean realistically that's the best way to describe my yeah utter. Yeah, if you say so the neck and the next sound bite is your leadership is never tested on a good day. Yeah, it's tested on a bag. I've got that thing. Yeah, I believe that on a good day when everything is going. Well, you almost don't know what you're doing. I said I can I can pitch a couple days in. Where it was like conducting an orchestra where everything is so perfectly harmonized. It's almost again. I know I'm and Middleton, you know their special forces. Yeah, he goes on about this quite a lot. I haven't read any of this stuff yet, but probably going to about Peak flow and I get that that you know when you're in zone and you'll probably know this from me all your expenses background when you're in zone with training or performing there's a fluidity to it that you almost. Are you running fast in your conscious? It's sort of like you can see a point to of a second into the future. It's just amazing. But on the word on a bad day, you know, everything is clunky isn't it? You know, nothing works and everything is feels like it's conspiring against you. So I think you know, that's that's the big thing is that you have to realize that it's going to be on the bad day that you're going to be tested and therefore that's what you need to think about and that's where you'll get your Just learning experiences from but for me on that worst day, you know what happened was and I'm you know, I don't I won't describe the incident in detail, but effectively we'd been out for quite a long time and the guys would run out of water back to that heat piece. And so I cut the patrol short and said to the front callsign as we refer to them and just make the most direct route back to the operating base the father's it was known forward operating base. So they took the most direct route that involved cutting through a battered old vintage. I'm going down an Alleyway as as they did this they were going through what would be called a vulnerable point a local stepped out started coming towards them. One of the lads at front was a pashtun speaker. So the commander called the Bailey directed two of The Lads to go over which is a gambling with Murray to protect him to speak to the And as he got close cuff, but Kathy Cuthbertson was a bit further back gpmg gunshots machine gunner and the guy had a suicide vest on and detonated himself and killed those three Lads and I was about a hundred meters away. But in a hundred meters is a long way in Afghanistan. So but then had to come forward as you say the characters you say is a great we're just going because I came forward to this scene of utter Carnage just calm Which which I'm not going to describe. But I remember again, I do think one of the best war films I've ever seen now that I've been in battle is Saving Private Ryan that opening scene on the beach where he loses his hearing and people are talking to him and time starts to get distorted which are quite common actually for combat situations you get different distortions, but that's not combat. That will be high pressure situations and I got exactly that I came forward and the tune come on is trying to tell me something and people trying to tell me something I'm I want to take all this scene in there's so much going on and I could fill my brain slowing down like a fill time slowing down. Like I'm Sunny hitting treacle and I could hear my hearing closing down Pete. I could look at people like see no mouths moving they're not but I couldn't hear and I like and end sense this what would be overwhelming panic down in the pit of my stomach starting to rise up my chest and as it got to probably diaphragm level this archetypal generic color Sergeant. So it sounded you're trained by color sergeants and who are phenomenal they are the best in the British army, the color soldiers of the get selected their selection to end up at Sanders is phenomenal and it means that the guys that end up there either. Best in the British Army in fact slight Rabbit Hole in Sanders the other day and I bumped into one of the guys is mentioned in the book join John McAvoy who's one of the Lance corporals in the book. I have not seen him for years. I mean cam I'm here sir. It's Russell says he is now just been selected to be a color Sergeant. Wow, and I could not be more proud. It's like there's like a proud dad. You know, I wanted to hug him was a oh my word and one of the tunes sergeants who's in the book waiting sites is the regimental salt major there. So when you see Your guys last same phenomenon combat, and now it's Anders. It makes me so proud but this archetypal color sergeant boomed in my head like on the playground if ever there was a time to do your job properly it is right now now get in a fight. Those were the exact words in my head and it was like someone slap me I just had instant Clarity while it was like I described as Flatline, you know, hey, it's gonna split your utter Clarity is like Everything was removed and I just let you know right stop. Boom. What's that? Where is that where security and just started directing what was going on? And I looked at the situation and thought right? What do I do? I can see the lads being treated by the medics. So I can't do anything there salt major was a qualified paramedic. So he was treating when the casualties and I just felt right. How do I develop this situation? So I pulled back slightly Wayne psych Sergeant Sykes came over and helped me and we have to send casualty reports and stuff like that, but I just pulled myself back so I could see all of the scene and book kept myself out of it and then just started slowly working through the situation. The other thing was I remember thinking when you reach what's with the Press will box. That's your radio. We have what we had what's called an all inform Network, which means everyone with a radio is on the same frequency. I remember going for the pretzel box and formate stop. And again, this comes from a story way back I was The acting company Commander into Power few years before I was actual company commander and we're up doing some live firing. The commanding officer is a very cool guy called Jamie t as well, and we walked all the way through the night to get to the range and then we were waiting and he arrived and he mumbled over and he just he's such a cool guy. He just one more day over and he flopped down the side me went right? That's fine. Yes. Yeah. It's a good night. You know, he had to walk through the night cause I Yeah, I've been walking all night to get here. Yeah got plan on settling. Yeah, could I can I give you some advice and this was a guy you listen to because he had done some really quite gnarly stuff which you know comedy talk about but he'd done some quite naughty stuff on me. So this is a guy you're gonna listen to he'd been in battle. I said, yeah. He said always be cool on did it and you did it in a really sort of passing on did it? You've lost me on the net said when you speak on the radio, everyone's going to hear and they're going to hear the words, but they're going to hear how you're saying it. Mmm and the inflection. So before you press the press or box. Make sure you're clear on the net I went. Okay, don't for to Afghanistan were when my leadership is being tested to breaking point. I go for the pretzel box and I hear Jaime doing Jamaican accent. Cool London it I thought maybe everyone's going to hear what you say. So be cool because yeah, I can't go on a reading. Oh my God, we got three casualties on the freeway. I like 0, this is 0 Alpha, you know got to be cool. Got to be cool. And then we had some challenges. We couldn't we couldn't we couldn't bring the helicopter to the lads because the enemy were aware of what had happened I had to call for my quick reaction force was in vehicles. And again, I would love to mention this which is to get the vehicles out of operating base takes 30 minutes because they have to probe for mines. The enemy will put mines in the surrounding area and start major Mitchell Mitch was commanding the qrf and he'd been listening and he said we're on our way. I said no. No, I'm I need you to get. As quickly as possible, but safely when yeah Roger I said, do you understand what I'm saying? Yeah, Roger drove up to minutes later. Unbelievable. I mean I did I did I did if you don't say this, but I wrote him up for gallantry award for that which unfortunately he did not get but he should have done which is and all the lads great the like right Lads we can spend 30 minutes and they're like no, let's go I believe you know, and that's the Loyalty back to the Lord here the red, you know, we're coming and they rocked up they took the guys out to the desert. Hello. Stop to pick them up, you know, but unfortunately it was it was too late. But I remember getting back in and once we checked all the lads in 7rh a who's the on the artillery they welcomed us back in over phenomenal looking after us. They gave a quick speech and then afterwards when and then barks couple Barker with with me, I took my helmet off and I was broken one that point, you know, I just you know, and I started to walk back up and he's just behind me and easy. These are tough guys still is Much bigger than me and just to slap them aggressive muscle and I said, so do you mind if I say something I said? No, you should have worked it out as a walking in. I've been company commanders radio operator for 14 different company commanders. I went. All right. He said I don't think I've ever seen anyone as cool as you were out there. Well, I hope you don't mind me saying and I nearly burst into tears and I just held it together and I said I cannot tell you how much that means to me. Thank you, and he said No, honestly, so I don't know how you did that and I thought well, thank you that generic color Sergeant who slapped me mentally to get me into zone for what I needed to be. But again, that was the Epiphany about everyone needs you mate. You're here to make decisions and take the decisions and improve the situation leadership as they are more important than you, you know, you can't feel sorry for yourself will be overwhelmed by Panic or fear because they need you to do something so start doing it and that's it. You say true that is very transferable into whatever content sharing and a lot. I mean I've been in teams where the Management's only I've not certainly not understood that well as I said to you earlier, my big thing is people were always polite they listen to you. And as we said in and say I'll rush, you know, that's great military leadership or are be slightly different because in my line of work people, you know, don't get killed and you know, as I said earlier, which is first remember, this was my day job. Job, it is what I expect all of my adult life training for therefore. Unfortunately how awful the situation was it was not unexpected. I gave a speech in the Cookhouse before he went to Afghanistan in Colchester. And I said to all of my Lads I said there I think this is going to give us the greatest soldier in Days of our careers, but there's also a very strong chance it will give us our worst days and I was right so, you know, it was not Unexpected if that makes sense. Statistically we were going to get hurt at some point. And therefore I believe great leadership is great leadership Is Not Great military leadership or great sport leadership or great political leadership. You just remove that from word because what I've realized is that the skills that I believe the top three things. I think great leader does or whatever. Well, they'd be great business or that be great sport or the be great and small team management or in tackle, you know, whatever. I'm good leadership is good leadership and bad leader should be bad leadership. No and of yeah, that's that. I mean something when I hear you speak about it and the book is well, it's it's almost like you always got to expect those. I think you actually have said that you got to expect bad things to almost happened to be ready for it. Yeah, and some of you talked about in the book is visualization techniques and stuff like that. You did them prior to going out as well as yeah on on that six month to talk. Yeah. Yeah. Did you talk to us? Yeah. Well, they called program. It's a little It fits in fashion or a professional you get bored with all these things. It's interesting because you know, you've got CBT and there's probably a current one but they they were all nuanced but neuro-linguistic programming is an awful thing, but it title but it does what it says on the tin which is the language of your brain that internal monologue that you use to run your brain and I had I'd read a lot of books on your own linguistic programming but a lot of it is about visualization State Management. There's there is some weird bits to NLP and I'd say to anyone who's interested NLP for dummies is the the best book of a lot. If you're reading something you go God this seems a bit weird move on to the next because there are a couple of wacky things but there's a couple of our I just think of really good things. So it's um, it's your state management and it's basically visualizing when you felt that you're at the top of your game and then really trying to relive that and then anchoring it so giving yourself A physical cue or auditory cue it might be a word it might be, you know, you're pinched your thumb or something, but you can you can anchor that state so that you can then perform at that level again. And again, it's what you know professional sports people would do, you know, I always I mean or of professional sports people because I was working with a lovely guy called Dan hit kiss. He's acting them rugby. Yeah Lester. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my God Center and so humble, you know, I mean, he's just one of those wonderfully humble papers. Basically says he no. No, I'm rubbish at rugby and get weak. You can't be make your play for England and Lester. That's why I don't know how you don't know how you do it. You know, I've been to Twickenham and I don't know how you go down there and have all those people expectantly. What's you but that would because you can state-managed, you know, you can mentally get into Zone but I realize again quite a way out before Afghanistan that back to that point. I would be under pressure as the company Commander the Asians are going to rest with me and if it goes wrong, how do you want to perform and you know what I say to people there's a great quote in there that you will not saw to your expectations. You will default to your training so we can all go, you know on a really bad day. I'd love to be able to perform at this level. The reality is you're going to perform at the level that you train yourself to perform at. So I actively practice this idea of State Management this idea of Being in the zone that Peak flow. I like that, you know of being calm being called on the all these things would need to happen when every single and again the way I describe it is imagine that you know, every single set of eyes looking at you again quite early on in my career. I learned this I was really lucky I had this amazing experience as a second Lieutenant of we were out in Scotland doing this exercise and we've gone up in the hills. It's navigation exercise and the weather really badly came in I had a lance. Poor guy called Lenny double who's really impressive guy and two private soldiers and I'm only a second Lieutenant. I want to impress them and we're up in the hills in the messes come in and offices of famous for that map Reading and find the checkpoint and I can't find the checkpoint. So I get me to go out there to can't find the checkpoint, you know inside. I'm crying. I'm not like an idiot already. So silly we're going to push on to the next checkpoint and we push on and we can't find that checkpoint at all. My God, what happened was the checkpoints were man, but The weather was so bad. The guys had to pull off the Hills, right? So they've been withdrawn and I got again we can find this next checkpoint. So I thought why we're gonna have to get somewhere safe because where there's that back you won't drop down into a valley and put shelter up in the woods and I got I got the guys in so the lance corporal the to private soldiers survived guys. I don't know why we can't find the checkpoint and I think what we should be do is drop down and we'll put shelter up near him. But Lenny double dots called just lent them to me when I sir you're the boss would you want us to do? And I thought yeah, I've really learned that point as in the decisions of yours to make right now. So make them and that's one of my key things. What is what our leaders do make decisions? Yeah, and if you're not prepared to make the decision get out the way and let someone make the decision your decision might be I'm not making the decision you're better place to make the decision. That's my decision trusting. But if you're not prepared to make a decision because really what the leaders do is that's their primary role and function. I think is to make decisions of sin. If you're not prepared to get out the way because you're in the way. Yeah, amazing. Yeah amazing amazing when you go into organizations. How do you you do torso you do any actually work with with organizations and turns like workshops and stuff like that. So what kind of area is do you addressed it? Do they speak at you and tell them the structure or do you get a little bit of background on the structure beforehand and once upon learning that what are your kind of areas that you look at to kind of get stuck into an improve? Yeah. What I really like to do is do fact-finding beforehand point. So talk to different. Levels talk to him, you know managers leaders talked to staff talk to whatever to try and get a feel for what the problem is. All the problems are what you're doing really well what you're not doing so well and then design accordingly but a pretty going to give this away now now want to book me on for this and your work, they'll be no point but never this point Cause I'm glad I've got more what I started doing. I was I did this I did this last year and I thought I'm going to take a risk. I'm going to Do what's called Mystic Ross. So when I get a group of a team in or grouper, so I'm going to write something on this Post-It note and I'm going to I said, I'm going to write what your team organization whatever it is biggest problem is on this piece of paper and I'll write it and I fold it and I'll give it to someone, you know, give it a break sir. I put any wallet. We're going to get that the in the dope take to a lady put that in your purse. I've written one word, which is what your biggest problem in your team right now is and I've not been wrong yet. I've not gone that full sort of like a Time will say if I've got it wrong. You don't have to pay me big risk, but at the end here at the end of the day would have got to the point of saying your biggest challenge your biggest problem. The biggest thing that is slowing your performance down. The moment is communication and also might get that Post-It note out on the get it out. And it that's what I write is communication. That is the biggest thing that I've seen in all my poison seven years since I left regular service of every firm. Of work with I've worked with some I said big firms oil and gas during University. I'm doing more work with the NHS which is awesome work at the moment, you know down to little too, you know, just individual like coaching for a leader. It's all around the team's communication or the leaders communication again, if I'm going to make good decisions, that's my first one then have got to communicate them. Well, and the big thing with communication is communication effectiveness of communication is Is it by the receiver not the deliverer? Are you I could give you a great speech now boom drop the mic wolkoff really happy happy with myself. And you separate go. I'm utterly baffled. What do you Russell just say, well my communication was just rubbish. Yeah, but unfortunately a lot of people measure their own communication God, like I said a really clear email everyone's got it again a really good examples working quite a big firm. This was last year and they had made a very big announcement. Not quite a controversial announcement via email and it was an utter car crash because they sent the email to line managers to then Cascade. So some line managers has read this thing on this is so serious. I'm going to brief my team. So I'm now going to get my team together other line managers are just emailed it to everyone on but some people are on leave so they've missed it and see you've got this whole hotchpotch which causes massive Ripple but the start pointing somewhere going no. No, I sent them really Email and they were really happy with their communication but it caused an effect within your organization that probably took six months and then unravel and it was just as if they too followed it up. Yeah detail and and again what I'm always amazed at the mill again sort of pension the military do this to death, which is we compound which is contingency plan. So what so what so what right we're going out tonight how we getting back helicopters. So what was the helicopters? Don't fly what we need Vehicles. Okay. So what right we're gonna have to prove. Deploy the vehicles here. So what we have one of the vehicles breaks down right? We're gonna need a recovery track, you know, we continue plan everything. What I'm amazed at is a lot of people and leaders and 10th don't contingency plan. So that would be a good example of that email of so on, you know, they're just your type you Mungo by mapping with that press enter go right. So what what if what if someone manages don't send it on the something? What if someone's on holiday in there miss it but you know the what is this again military call this second and third order effects. Like when I pull a lever here to send you down the trap door what other truck doors open what other problems do I create further down the line by doing an action now and again, you just see a lot of people don't think things through to the what if what if what if but yeah, he's communication is the one of the biggest things I see and that's what I base from. A lot of my training around is is helping people communicate more effectively because you possess that's that Could I develop my leadership skills? Yeah, because you can develop your decision-making ability. There are different ways that you can learn to make decisions. But ultimately the best way to learn decision-making is start make decisions. Yeah, could I improve my communication skills? Absolutely. Everyone can improve their communication skills. So they that's why I mean by you can you can improve your skill set and your son? Yeah you talk. I mean we such a little bit little bit on it before we started recording and obviously massive part of the book. As well is and I felt the emotion of you through your through your writing and 11.2 makes there is the best way to sell a plant your troops is through your voice here and your personality. Yeah, and just I mean what I like to do most in this podcast with everyone speak to his kind of touch on my personal experience, I think is very transferable to people listening. Yeah. So I mean like I've newly into a management position and I really do lead with sort of personality and voice and passion because I'm very passionate passionate guy, but I think I've tended to Be too emotional at point to the point where I'm so I'm just drained and I can't actually it's not sustainable in the way. I knew you talk a little bit, which I really want to speak about is about your time when she when you left the tour. Mmm and you you just you said to me previously that you you kind of once you removed yourself from that environment. You just kind of hit that energy low. Yeah. Could you talk a little bit about that? I mean, I find that really interesting just on a personal. Yeah. I said it links with a point during the tour. My I made the conscious decision that this was not about me. This is about my soldiers and I will deal with myself when I get back I said which is I think was utterly the correct decision, but does have a knock-on effect. And as you said same as yourself, I still am, you know, I deliver workshops and my as I said to my wife knows if one of my workshops has gone well because I literally can't speak I get home. I'll be like a zombie because I live invested my heart and soul into it. You know what? I love about not being the Army anymore not that the armies that serious but it has a way of working and I like to deliver fun workshops. I want people to enjoy themselves and want people to learn but I want them to enjoy themselves. So, you know, it's quite high energy from myself and it's draining but you know, I'll come home and I'll have a glass of wine and I'll chill out and then I'm all right, but you know for six months solid seven days a week 24 hours a day. I mean this was the point about being a company Commander is 7 days a week 24 hours a day. You're on call. You know and I've got woken up in the middle of the night to beat old stuff. I got you know shaking it half five in the morning to be told that you know, we had an incident with the Afghan National Army shot one of my soldiers while I was in bed and just you can make it up, you know what I mean? And and by the end of tour I feelings angst and then I suppose actually it started with Once once I left the base. So you hand over command and people go back and dribs and drabs and we went to Bastian and then we went to Kandahar. And then you fly to Cyprus for what's called decompression, which is a really good thing, but I probably I probably came over really badly to my soldiers because when we got to Cyprus, I was sort of you're not in control anymore the RAF are moving you home and you have to go with that and I got to Cyprus and there's loads of fun activities as you know, you going to see them swimming and you can get kayaking and it's lovely dinner at night and the bars open. There's entertainments really really good, but I didn't want any of it. I just wanted to build my own. And again my top my soldiers probably saw this of like being antisocial in a way, which wasn't it at all. You know, I didn't not want to be with them. I just realized that I was sort of empty as I said to you earlier. I got home and I because I do run on passion and energy and enthusiasm when I got home and my foot was off the gas. And I suddenly sort of looked at myself in with me. I thought oh my God, I meant to I just and I've always been able to recharge the battery and I thought okay now don't panic, you know, it will recharge like a little sort of battery symbol but it didn't and it didn't recharge for months and I started to get really scared because I realize so much in my life. I've run on passing the energy but that that probably is my medium and I remember points thinking what if it doesn't come back because I was like this sort of empty shell I was scared that the This hollow bit in the middle would not refill. And what would I be like for the rest of my life without this and there's a fortunately over time sort of nine months to a year. I could feel it start to trickle charge. But you know and you know through Love of My Wife and Vanessa was brilliant at what she does as well. Vanessa was also the birth of my daughter. My daughter is my life, but it started but it took a long time. Time to recharge that battery and it scared the hell out of me. It really did because I just I felt like I was a different person that part of me is gone and I would say to people if they're experiencing that you know, because I said that's that's not a unique to the military are Russell. That's your no. That's that's the net effect of going through really challenging times and using have and having your emotion and energy burn off, but it will come back and And it sounds so how well did you know here we go. I'm about to do the yin and yang of a parachute regiment officer by being really kind to yourself just by being kind to yourself and not beating yourself up and and dinner and celebrating the small successes and I'm just appreciating the beauty of life. You know, I'm really into nature for I love trees and I think you know trees heal me going in the woods heels. Me taking Rufus for a walk in the woods, but accepting that that that is a lovely thing and that's making me feel better as opposed to don't don't don't be soft to make this just take an indoor for walking. But again what I've realized particularly for alpha males and I use that phrase alpha male to also refer to Alpha females as well if she likes and you know people who drive themselves hard and set high standards, which is great hold yourself to account. Push yourself always trying to better yourself, but also be kind to yourself. Yeah and also, Realized realizing that you're damaging yourself not helping yourself. I realized that there's a great book by Anthony Robbins called notes notes to a friend. I think is interesting here. He's really good on one of these stories in it is about I going to play golf with his son and his son is playing really badly and he keeps breaking himself. And in the end is Deadpool. Simone says if your best friend was here now, that's why it's notes to her friend. What would he say to you about how you play see what you probably gently take the Mick and then what we do you say though? He said we probably give me some polite advice and that's it's a goody-goody speech yourself the way you're speaking. What do you call you the words you're coming. So now it will don't call yourself that there and I realized that my inner monologue was being destructive. My inner monologue was false. It was saying the wrong things, you know, and instead of saying you're just being weak, mate. a grip you need to say things like you under so much pressure for six months. Just don't worry about it. Don't be yourself Doug. Don't worry bill, right and go for a walk or go for a swim. I'm a big fan of physical training and that's obviously parachute regiment thing. You know, if your mind your mind if your mind suffering do something with your body mmm again Anthony Robbins again, he's got a he has a nice bath if you know, I just know that I'd like this thing in the morning or any time, you know, if he's feeling certain ways you just He's I mean, you've got that much money. He's got his own dear. Gel. So but he likes both love a nice of her fit willing to jump in the pond. But yeah, I think I think you know what and this is where Vanessa has to go but just because she does but it's be kind to yourself because I said we get honestly getting this destructive track. Do you know where things aren't going the way we hoped or then the Devil Woman which is what I think the devil is, you know, that is that little in among of it starts beating you up as opposed to saying be kind to yourself and you want to just go in the woods and read a book. Well, yeah go in the book go in the woods and read a book for an hour or whatever. Whatever your Escape mechanism is. I think everyone probably does know what their escape mechanism is. They might shy away from it. Well, just don't worry just don't. Yeah. I don't stereotype yourself. Amazing. I honestly there's this is so like so many pockets of Beauty in in this episode and there's two questions. I'll always finish up with firstly such a little bit before and if people want to reach out to you Wow, it's Newton's my my big medium. So, it's Russ Louis. I think it's Russ Russ Louis M. CMS. See it's got the little letters after it linked to him. I'm on Facebook as well. But I do think Facebook is your friends thing. Isn't it? LinkedIn is your business thing as I was joking with you? I don't have a website. Vanessa would tell me off if she was here right now. I don't have a website because I haven't needed a website where we go back to my ATM analogy. If you want to find me you'll find me. Yeah, a lot of what I do is word-of-mouth actually as I said, But if someone wanted to reach out LinkedIn would be the way to find them fantastic and lastly and I think this is a pretty driven towards. Well really the theme of this is all about leadership if you had movie probably touched on it already, but if you had one sort of life lesson that you've learned from all the things you've done. In regard to leadership, you know, what would that one piece of what life lesson you'd pass on to somebody going into a role of management or leadership? Yeah. There's probably probably touch them here. But I mean one thing really stand out. This is probably be in the question. I should have passed over T2. Well, it's a great question because I have thought about if I could go back in time. Hmm. What advice would I give the 15 year old version of me the 20 year old version that made the Drill Vision either 30 whatever and you know, I think it would be is don't worry mate. You'll be fine. And then that I don't know if that was a good answer or not. But it's nice to hear me. Yeah, someone's like, oh, you know, let's just say yourself. No, my you know gonna get another gem that's phenomenal and there's all the pressures that were going to go with that. I hope it doesn't sound flippant. My advice would be I'll make that way better right and that's not to say they won't be challenging times, but you will move through them to quote Winston. Churches Winston Churchill who is my hero? You know when you find yourself in Hell keep going which is brilliant isn't it? Which is there will be challenges and there will be days where you just want to pull the duvet over your head and think I wish I hadn't but the reality is it will be all right, you know, don't worry me it will be. Alright, you'll be fine. So thank ya rasul. Thank you so much. I was almost like a one-on-one leadership. Taoiseach know in a way here to the invoice has probably come through it. I could I love talking about this. You know, I I love this subject and I love talking about it. I love learning about it. I've Loved this. Thank you for your time. Really? Thank you. It's been fantastic. Really? Appreciate it. Thank you.

Major Russell Lewis MC is one of the most incredible men I've ever had the pleasure to speak to. Throughout his Army career he spent 20 years as an Officer in the Parachute Regiment and served in a variety of challenging theatres including Northern Ireland, Kosovo and Iraq. In 2009 he was awarded a Military Cross for leadership and gallantry in Afghanistan. His accounts of this 6 month tour in Afghanistan, where he was the Company Commander, were published in his book 'Company Commander'. A phenomenal read. Russell currently delivers leadership and coaching training to multi national corporations and charitable organisations. He is also a motivational speaker who has addressed the US Naval Academy, Boston College, Greater Manchester Police and the European Nuclear Safety Agency. As well as being a defence commentator for Sky News. What I love about Russell is his passion for the fact that the leadership qualities he has developed in the army are transferable into any environment. And most importantly... these skills can be learnt. Here are some of the topics we covered in our chat: - Why the Army was the only route Russell every wanted to take. ⁃ Russell makes clear that leadership qualities can be learnt and how. ⁃ How the army accelerated his leadership skills. ⁃ Responding and reacting to pressure and set backs is one of the biggest areas of leadership. He explains how this happens in any environment and talks about the mindset to get into when that happens. ⁃ ‘Leadership is never tested on a good day.’ Russell talks us through a bad day in Afghanistan and how he reacted during the most difficult day off his leadership career. ⁃ Neurolinguistic VIsualization Techniques. - Emotional energy as a leader. Russell talks about the importance of using passion to get the most out of the people you are leading. However this does have an adverse affect on you as a leader if you do not take time to recoup your energy levels. ⁃ Russell talks us through some of the techniques he uses when working with organisations or individual’s to improve their approach to leadership. - Russell talks us through the incredible appreciation and respect he had for all of his soldiers. - How being kind to himself was the key to getting his enthusiasm and passion for life back. There Is nothing wrong doing whatever you need/want to do to get back to where you are mentally happy. - I ask Russell a key life lesson he has learnt over the years. Today's sponsor is FourFive CBD.

Hello and welcome to the volunteer firefighter podcast where we listen in to a group of rural firefighters as they give their opinions on the challenges. They face both on and off the fire ground. We release a new episode every week. So please hit that subscribe button leave us a rating and share this with your fire family and friends now onto this week's episode. Where as always we ask the question. Are you DTF? Hello and welcome to the volunteer firefighter podcast. My name is car and tonight. I am joined by two members of my firefighting family. I have Rob. Hello, and I have Ash. Hey guys, and everyone else is away. It's our first episode of our new season and everyone decided to vacate kids still here is Katie didn't state so many. Yeah my planet. Anna was like Hey guys should see each other you guys know each other. So, how big is Montana? It's like you guys know that guy from Canada. I'm from Canada Dave Dave from Canada is the shooting. Yeah, we as you probably all very well know this episode is probably one week later than it should have been we had our annual deficit. Yeah right around you will episode we should have released last week we're looking for Or don't you but we had some stuff that we were dealing with. We had a wildfire that came in actually when we were recording our annual episode on the Sunday and it was it was a week-long effort. We had how many was it robbed? It was over 200 firefighters 37 pieces of equipment with engines and that was Pumpers as well as I'm not sure I Exact numbers. I think it was about a hundred and sixty a hundred and eighty forestry firefighters. That number probably doesn't include outside communities sending departments as well. So I think we had 36 or 39 other communities send additional resources as requested by our our Forestry Department. And yeah, they sent bumpers or tenders or bush trucks and helped with any structural. Detection not that there was a lot but there was a potential for it luck attention was huge. Yeah, let that was the scary luckily winds and things changed and push the fire kind of back that direction it came and yeah, some of the most of those must have most of those structural guys have been sent back to their communities. And yeah, we appreciate them coming out. Yeah, we had a whole bunch of guys that came from from good distances to come and help and help support community and make sure that everything was good. But by the time I think we approached our last post on it was around 3,000 hectares. So it went from 50 ish on the day that we were in front of it that that young evening and grew to three thousand in just about a week crazy crazy. Insane speed it grew I luckily like Rob said some of the Winds changed and with the help of a lot of different Crews, especially BC wildfire. We are not like five helicopters in the whole bunch of other stuff. I think we more than five. Helico. Yeah. Anyway, well helicopters and they had four of the Fire Boss the skimmer planes those were flying in the air those things kind of look small but seeing him at the airport here in a town extra. They're actually pretty pretty big pretty cool looking and I was going to mention for those of our American listeners that don't use hectares because I think they use Acres down there that works out to about 7400 Acres so Jesus so even just to convert it for them. But but yeah lots of heavy equipment. Yeah. Yeah. Well, they had a whole bunch of heavy equipment as well. Right, but you know what we were on the other side of it now winds changed rain came today and a little bit yesterday. We just some dry lightning initially, but that did and I did actually not cause any any spot fires that we not let me know. Of or maybe it just struck the already singed Earth. But with the big worry was over the past weekend was that we also had a storm front Rolling In which was going to bring high winds which was going to blow back towards the structures that would initially in danger and we were worried about Amber storms, but luckily that did not occur and yeah all the boys and boys and girls were all over it and made it happen and Now like Rob said most of them are gone home. So it's good. We're thankfully to because we had like a couple of 40 degree weather days here. And I mean those guys worked hard for those temperatures and yeah, I my hats off to them for sure. Yeah. We had a five hour 6 hours tint the one day we got a call came in. There's a large Bluff and there was fire up on the top of the Off with small little shelves on the way down and then heavily timbered area at the base of it, which then has high high density structures mixed in with this Timber and half burnt trees were falling down this Bluff and spreading to the bottom. So we were getting calls like crazy out to the north of us. So we were out there and then a little bit further south the same fire the same area one of our members actually has a house and it had jumped over a guard or whatever that that was late and was moving towards the house and we got a call that this was happening. So we as a department respond to backup Forestry at this point and it was the a 40-degree day. We were there to hold the line. So it doesn't Jump The Next Guard and walking back back and forth and dealing with that with what with those forestry firefighters was Next Level, I mean Actually, they have a couple of sprinkler systems working and I would find myself chatting with one of the people back back and forth because there is a nice Frank were there so perks Perks of Being me that day I guess but it was hot. It was super hot and people were working hard. I mean the stakes were huge if it broke that guard he was ripping towards a lot. So I think stressful hot definitely hot. It's off to those men and women. I think one of our big saving things there at least for us and for forestry was there was that dirt road there to act as a guard on one of our patrols that night Kevin and I went for a drive down down that road to the lake that's back there and you can see trees that they'd cut and peeled back to make sure that there was no Tall Timber or anything that could cause that feather to jump, but it's I am seeing all of that. It was really interesting because I was on one of the Pumpers that went in there and initially we had pulled out some of her inch-and-a-half preconnect and then we got some forestry hose on and some of the water thief's and the Econoline hooked up and man was that such an easy job with that stuff. I mean, I don't know why we haven't been doing that for more years already with that type of stuff is really impressive structure. So far, we like you're chasing the more stubborn. Yeah, we like to chase the fire and this at least this task was just let the fire burn up to the road and sure it doesn't jump and just walk the line and soak it down. I mean that probably one of the easiest jobs we ever did there's been many a time and I've said it there's been many a time where we've chased fires up the mountain. Insanity when you look at afterwards it time we think we're doing the right thing and we're just trying to we're trying to put stuff out. No man, girl. Just you gotta lay a line figure out where it's going and just stay there and let it burn to you because the Noma of chasing it does really anything you protect the structures probably what on that call we did. In fact, it has to cool with the bomber coming in on our video on that. Oh, yeah page right on the front page or Facebook and it's that one where you know, there was a couple of stretches involved. Boys nailed it. They got the structures saved it fantastic happy days. And then we spent another five six hours in 38 degree weather chasing this thing up a mountain like we and afterwards we looked at it and went yeah, we probably shouldn't have done that. We didn't need to do that now, but we did because we kicked into it's a fire and aggression of the our fire tactics said we put that fight right where you know when it comes to Wildfire you need to just kind of take Step back and just you know, what no matter chasing this up a mountain is helpful right now. There's no structure up there. So you need to be better at looking at that. I think and I think we are we with every call like this that we got every every event. We're learning so much more it takes something like but what Rob just said just witnessing watching these guys work. Side by side with us seeing the way that they do things. We are structural fire fighters. Yeah. I were we do live in a interface area, but we're not going deep in the bush. They were not Wildland firefighters. That's not what we trained to be. That's not our job. You know, I I loved that job. It is crazy, but we work near structures that being said when there's not two hundred for a few firefighters here and Call like that. Well, our job is to protect the structure the easiest way to protect the structure is to remove the forest fire from the forest. So it doesn't grow down to a structure. So learning this I think this is what's great about this broadcast is We sit back, and we talked about things that work for us and maybe things that don't work for us. This is clear and show we're learning every day, you know, and this was a great learning experience, you know us with forestry mostly forestry and then a large group of men and women from all over the province. It was a great experience. We learned the time just just by seeing different tactics and training that we can Implement now. Never stop learning. No, it's good. Yeah on that to it would really shows that it would have served. No purpose that go in and Chase that fire because we had what one we had both bumpers and a tender. They're weighted dumped all that water onto that fire with our intranet hoses. Drained or trucks and we did accomplish nothing. It just goes to show these forestry guys that work on this year after year. They do know what they're doing when they say just let it burn and up to you and then put it out. Obviously, they're doing something with limited Water Resources. So crazy and and being able to put these fires out where we'd go in you dumped how many thousands of gallons of water and accomplished nothing? And we look stupid right and for three hours because it's 40 degrees a hundred degree weather to our American list. There's all that water because time to dry and now all that feels back again. So the easiest way to protect the structure let it burn the fuel. Yep can't really burn fuel is burnt. I mean something but it's way safer once all that ground load is burnt. Well, they're not dumb. I think our problem is is we see fire and we got to go get it. So absolutely drinks that aggressive that being said there have been a couple of times where we've done that and we've stopped massive wildfires from happening. So for example on the time the time that there was a there was a vehicle guy was smoking a cigarette he had bales of hay on the back flick the cigarette out the window and it came back in and landed in the bells. Hey, We all know what's going to happen now is that we have a truck fire with multiple bales of hay on a road, which is right next to an entire. I can't even tell you how big a massive massive area which we call the flat which is now starting to like get on fire and and just pass Radix, right? So luckily we ended up getting the head of IT pinching it off. Luckily again. There was a dirt road break a little bit further out which managed to stop some of that, but if we let that go Go if it wasn't for aggression trying to catch that they might worry about it. So it's I think we just need to start thinking about what we Chase when we Chase it and when the Let It Go and know what's on the other side of where we're learning go to if we have to let it go and what kind of parameters and we need to put in to make sure that we're okay. You know what we know there's a couple structures down there. So we need to at least direct it this way if we can we just we need better. We need to look at it differently because it is a large portion of our season. Yes. An entire month of shut up and wait, you know like but when it happens we need to be in that frame of mind. I think my biggest takeaway from from this has been that the forestry hose that style a hose is effective and for years, we haven't been using it and we're kind of implementing it the past couple of years a little bit here and there and now it really is starting to show how effective it can be. We used and not look dinky and stupid rights on these on these fires. So yeah. Yeah, it's really good. Yeah, we're so default grab the two and a half. Okay. Now we're going to break it down the engine a half. Yeah. So for us to sit back and say okay, we're going to start with the inch and a half and then go down just an Econoline. I mean, is that like three quarter inch? Yeah, what's that going to do? It's going to use so much work so well, but it's Break away from our normal mentality that again big big learning curve and to not just that but talking about be see her talking about our forestry. They have they have parked at our training grounds right now three structural protection sprinkler units big massive trailers with piles of sprinklers and you name it. They probably got it on there for some sort of structural protection. So these guys are well prepared. Paired for exterior protection should it get to an interior fire? Obviously, they're calling us but three big massive semi-trailers of equipment. Yeah. Yeah. I mean they know their job they do just like we know ours when it comes to internal. Obviously, you're never going to see those guys going inside, but when it comes to those those types of fires in mind those boys were on it boys and girls we're on it and a lot of the questions have been coming in on the street. And on our Facebook page about why aren't we? Why aren't we out there doing a lot of this stuff or why is it just the the forestry guys working the fire and people have to realize that when it is in that forested area. It's up in the mountains in steep. Terrain. There's nothing as us as structural firefighters can even do so we just gotta rely on forestry and if it does come into our area or protection area that we're going to be out there doing something. Yeah, it's really tough. You know, I want to say it's disheartening when you see these men and women out there kicking ass cuz it's not it's feels great. Because you know, you're proud to work alongside. But you really want to be out there more that's kind of your you're calling is to be out in people to be out there with him. So you have people asking any wiring wiring out there. Why aren't you doing that? Why not? Like they're talking down like why aren't you more but you know, you're driving around town while everybody's working hard sucks. But the flip side of that is we got multiple calls almost Gay with in our town. So if we're out there hiking around with the forestry guys, which we want to be but also who's going to be running these calls those when it comes down to you know, it's we're here to protect our town and everything around it and that's their job is to go up there and do that and they're really good at it. If we were up there and you had a hundred forestry firefighters here and motor vehicle incident. Well, they're going to let you know that much bad. I don't know what to do. Right sure. We kind of know what to do up there but they really don't know what to do here. So professionals, they're professionals here. We assist each other but kind of to each their own and like Rob kind of sad if a fire came up to a structure and you know, if it jumped a garden maybe they didn't have them evacuate even the people that were brought into structural protection and like there were engines and tenders like it was full. Full-on departments, they can't go in. So that's we need to be able to be mobile to go and do that. So it took a lot of comfort knowing that, you know, when things went if not when if things went wrong that's what that would be our time to quote unquote shine, you know come in there and do our best doing the job that we trained to do every day. Well, I think because the response to that is unfortunately Is much as we wanted to be up in those Hills like you were saying who if a structure did ignite and they were still Embers coming off those heels are still trees falling down, especially towards those areas. If the fire starts closer down the hill now who's going to hit that who's going to deal with that when the winds came and the Embers start flying who's going to deal with those ignition? That was our job our job was to protect the town and make sure the people were safe deal with anything that Below that line. It was within our boundaries because if we've now got engines halfway up the hill. This is fighting something that is so far away. Now from the actual Town itself what happens when a structure and then catches and we've got all of our equipment halfway up a mountain and the problem is again because we're all so aggressive we want to go and do that. So the frustration of arises why can't we just be up there? But the reality of the situation is because yeah because you're something Happens down here. And we're up there. Then that thing is done. Like our average response time is about 3 to 5 minutes by the time we're like called in the trucks and on sing. So if that's the case then within that kind of three to five minute range that we've hit the hall or now, we've got to try and respond from are forever, man, and we've got to get to see so the likelihood that we can actually do something after that. Especially everyone knows now how quick things burn because the the way structures and everything's built We wouldn't have a chance. We wouldn't have a chance and especially the areas that were in threat in danger in wooded areas club together. Like I said, like which is why instead we chose to run patrols. So we had guys out every night in the vehicles running patrols check for spot fires, making sure the public we're safe and doing what we could down the hill, but it also did spur on a conversation of maybe we need to To start talking about a vehicle that we can send to help these kind of people out in different areas when these things go on because we had a whole bunch of people that are ready willing and waiting to go and do these things and you can make some really serious serious money for sending equipment and guys down to try and deal with this stuff. So maybe it's a possibility. That is something we can do get more money for the Department's we can buy bigger and better toys to help better protect the time that's right. I think that brings up to Reason why we have mutual Aid agreements as well because of the call when we got called out on the Wednesday to go and help forestry with that that one fire where we were we actually had no apparatus to serve the town which was good that we got. One of the local nearby communities to send a truck at least stand by it or halt. Yeah, and and wait in case there was something at least that that way there's some level of protection provided for the community. So it goes to show wire Mutual Aid agreements work. Absolutely. I think this goes back to I know Nick from the brother and Academy there was was confused once when I was talking about Our are wooded area the forestry and the whole Mutual Aid because they've got in the very next County which is very close and they've got all these Mutual Aid agreements going on and like what why wouldn't you be helping with the forestry there? Why wouldn't this be happening? So This falls right into their wheelhouse of the the whole Mutual Aid thing. I know they were just running a call the other day where they got called in to Be water supply for a neighboring County which worked out great. I saw some photos everything look like it ran smoothly. So this is more. I think it's maybe something that we see a lot more often moving forward to really leaning on that Mutual Aid brings us back to that original writ, I think which this is all going to spark. I mean up at that trailer fire we weren't about to go inside that trailer. Well, I'd say that was an actual home. would people inside people inside even up on The trouble house very we had members going inside and we put a rip team together, but that was a challenge. You know, we had it done it was within time. But summertime middle of the night it was I'm robbing people from I don't know how many trucks to put a RIT team together sure, you know, so if we had that that fits or a mutual aid for something like that that would you give me a minute. I'm to consider. Hey, maybe we can activate something there because everybody was on scene. Everybody was working everybody had a job to do but we still need to Those guys ready. So it was we put it together it worked but having completely fresh people might not have been the worst thing either so that Regional RIT thing the conversation I have with somebody who in the state's who Who they do that they have a group of guys is another group of guys that do a regional right thing and I asked them is like so how does it work for you? Is it work? Well and he's like, well, yes and no. Yes, we have people that are dedicated to come to seen when we have a structure fire. Unfortunately. We now need to look at how far they are away and how long they're going to take to come. So if they are responding how many people do they have? So we need to know a lot more. Asian before we can go internal and maybe the opportunity to go internal is a very very small window before you can get to the opportunity again, right? Because now you the structure their fires moved you didn't get inside quick enough and now you got a problem with us, I think because we have that RIT team and that mentality built into us now. Yes, that was a difficult one especially because of the amount of people that were there it was difficult, but because of the mentality we Have of we are going inside if we if we can and when we can to deal with what we have to to make sure we knock it down quick. So R. It is 10 tends to be one of the first things on mine. The tart comes out tools come out. We've normally got a couple of fresh. He's hanging around just doing some exterior stuff and wandering and making sure that everything is going on as we've discussed before if we had a situation where we had to wait for one of our neighboring departments to get here. Yeah. I think we have a problem because they're 20 minutes out. Other side I don't think they can wait. No, that's it. But you can't wait, but even on a call like like that one up at that problem house if we knew that they're coming. I could have utilized or we we could utilize those those people that I had already put in place for that that Rick team and then freed them back up. Once the fresh bodies came because any rent you want to have them as fresh as possible. Able, but when there's three trucks arriving jobs to do everybody jumps off and they're ready to go. So we don't have a designated. All right, you you do all these things while you you are now read you get off you get your task and then okay plans change we're going internal. So now you're picking and choosing fresh people and that's are quote fresh people because they've all been doing work, but now you got to pull them aside and going to sit there so they still have Master they could be doing and there's some small stuff that we allow them to do on the outside because the written doesn't have to be and never should be vital. They should always be moving around just not working hard. So it's a free them back after you go by fire in 20 minutes. Once these guys come on because even though the fire was out we had guys inside for quite some time. And when I say the fire was out if the fire was You know safe State we were inside the threat of it getting worse was gone. But I mean we were still doing that for quite some time. Yeah, so the opportunity there was there to have guys, you know coming from a neighboring area. There's there's good and there's bad. There's pros and cons. I think having you there is enough. Anyway, we can't wait. No, that's the thing. You have to operate like your the RIT team. You have to put yours together first. Yeah and then go from there. Yeah, I think as well like I was wondering this the other day because normally we get two guys on a tender One Stop, once that bladder. So, uh, we don't need two guys in the tender and that's exactly what was happening there. Right? We do not need to people on the tender anymore. So there's two guys Intially that can be pulled into whatever operations need to be. Yes, when it comes to clean up. They go back with that truck because that's the way we do things ultimately because there's you know me need to be safe with seats and things like that on the way home, but once two points two, people are done setting up that tank and making sure that everything's in situ one guy can go and fill the tender and one guy can dump more back out. There doesn't need to be too on a truck anymore. Yeah, so maybe we need to look at that a little bit too. And once that time comes back that guy can still go help. Yeah, right because He's not again not working. Look. He's standing by the Retard ready to roll right sounds like there's there's still conversations. We need to have in some Logistics and planning that I still need to to look at to see if we can make it work and obviously talk with our neighboring communities to yeah, as far as that two guys on a tender that recent structure fire. We had up the hillside there. I ended up driving the tender and actually ended up with my brother on the truck and we Don't the tank. We filled it up. We got hooked up with the the section on the onto the bumper and and we took off again for another load got back in and then kicked him off the truck to go pack up or whatever. But yeah, definitely one guy can easily run that tender once you're established. Yeah one guy can do it. It's more of a mode of transportation to get another guy there because we do have a cba's on our tender. Absolutely for our driver or Or spares if we need them as well. So yeah, so do we were going to talk about something completely different but that we got sidetracked? Okay weird. Okay. I wonder how does that happen Josh you did have a little bit of news and I know it's kind of in the middle of it, but we did want to use it as a segue into some other stuff. We wanted to discuss. Yeah, so I because we've completely gone sideways. Yeah, we could have exited away from my Information so it's been cycling everywhere on the internet there and it's a it's a sad deal. And you know, I think we all need to check ourselves. And really think about the implications here, right? Two firefighters were responding in separate vehicles to a fire call. One of them was under the influence causing an accident and killing a fellow firefighter in a different vehicle. The one firefighter who was intoxicated received six years in jail for vehicular manslaughter, that's it's crazy. Crazy crazy super sad. I mean the story reads on there's there's a lot more to it. But at the end of the day somebody was responding drunk or drunk enough. I'm sure it was the quick. Oh, I'm fine. I'm only had a few but something happened and we got causing an accident and sadly another firefighter lost their life. Just don't don't do it. You know you You want to be here so bad. All you want to do is help and we've talked about that many times. You're only you're hurting everything when you respond and then you cause another scene, you know, speeding to the hall. You're not really helping everybody wants to make that first truck but blowing stop sign speeding. I mean, there's eyes and ears looking at you everywhere, except it's not good for you. It's locked in further for the department so I can put the town and system bad image and this is the The extreme end of it but you know this this guy I'm sure he was just trying to do the right thing and just wanted to go help it's in his blood he wants to go out but he had a couple of beers or couple drinks whatever it was and ended up taking out a fellow firefighter and the other one lost their life. And now there's they're trying to split their crew to go deal with two different incidents. So, you know our thoughts and prayers go out and we know super super sad, but You kind of have to check ourselves. We're not helping when we're tossing another scene. I think we as a department say that to our guys quite a bit every practice night to make sure that if you've had any don't come to a call. Yeah, there's always going to be another fire call. Hmm. So you miss one because you've had a couple of drinks. Yeah better you stay home and avoid a situation like this. That's right. Yeah, we try to make sure that our guys are taken care of. We try to make that drill it into our guys but make sure that we say it enough to everybody to try and get that point across that if you've had a couple of a drink stay home. Yeah, I fully admit to having a few at home. I may be laying down or I'm doing something else and I It goes off. I've caught myself out the door. You know that that adrenaline kicks in and like you feel fine and you're like, whoa, wait a minute. I can't respond right now, but I had keys in my hand and I was out the door and in the moment, you just go into autopilot because that's what you do. Hmm, the pager goes off and you grab stuff and you go if I'm having some drinks at home. I will turn off my pager knowing that I'm I'm not going to respond. So I don't get that auto response of flying out the door. It's going to come across my phone and at that point if I don't hear it, I don't get that that maybe they think maybe and now I have now it's go time. But adrenaline, you know, I'll like oh, hey looks like we have a call. I'll walk over turn on the pager listen to it. I've sent you a lot of people to if we're having a larger event. If you've had a few like don't come down and toxic it where you're like, you know, I'm babbling idiot, but if you've had a couple of drinks and you can get to the hall via a ride or a walk and if you want to make sandwiches, if you you know, if you want to help wash hose at the end like the guys and gals are coming back beat. I have my even have three or four beers and you're washing hose there right? You're still here to help but if you're hammered don't even come around, you know, but Don't drive. Don't don't don't be here, right, you know, if you've had a couple beers and you're still quote unquote fine. You can come and lend support in a non firefighting roll with a safe ride or a walk. Like we've got a member that lives right down the way and he said to me once he's like man, I think just having strong whiskey or Rum or something. He says, you know, like I smelled like booze I could feel goodbye. Going but I got was fine. He's a house messing around the house. We're still making dinner. That was good. I really wanted to be there. I like men walk down don't write out a slip. I don't get paid for your job because you drunk or not drunk, but you're under the name implies. You would blow over you can be a Any little bit of a hand on a very very back shelf role, but don't think about your responding don't think about driving don't think about being a firefighter at that point. You're just somebody yeah, you have to be careful with how involved they get to especially at the whole thing Cactus emergency. If I write if a member of the public comes by if any emergency official or police comes by and they think that they got themselves there. Or especially now with the actually now is realize right. They think they can charge you. So liability thing really we have to be more and more careful especially as emergency responders emergency officials. However, you want to call it as to how we are responding or how we are. Conducting ourselves if we have been under the influence better. Like we've already said it better just stay home. Yeah, and there's also there's always going to be another call. There's always another one for sure. Yeah is one of those things is one of those things and I'm sure departments deal with it. Deaths of maybe they've got a few people that are you know, consistently arrived in that way conversations just need to be had from mouth and it needs to be brought up and it needs to get discussed or needs to get shut down because ultimately the other side of this is if you've got somebody who's consistently Turn It Up On A Tuesday afternoon or a Tuesday evening or whenever there is absolutely hammered pretty much every title glassy. I write the maybe there's another conversation that needs to occur. How many times yeah, you know, what if It's what if it's a crutch that they're leaning on in order to hide the other side of the dirty coin, right? That's right. And I don't want to use the terms of PTSD. But you know I'm saying right it's the maybe they're doing it to kind of self weight self counter, right? Maybe it's that kind of thing. How many times have we been to those calls motor vehicle incident where we're like that guy never should have been on the road. And we got to keep that in the back of our minds. If we're at the same state. We should never been we shouldn't be here. Yeah, absolutely. You know, it's the old saying where you know, you have to beer well back in the day to beer. That's just to be with the boys, right you can do anything. Well, there's some truth to that but there's also some truth to there's a lot of stuff that went down back in the day. It wasn't safe. It wasn't good either. So some of that old boys club you get that mentality. You got to kind of watch that as well and it's not a We kind of make me fun in today's day and age of how I see how soft things are going with there's there's a big shift and there's also this big shift for a reason though, like people going for back of this people are dying and that's completely avoidable so you can joke around about how things are changing and how back in the day used to be so much better whatever but something like this. It's got to be black and white if you had some drinks you're not Firefighters today there needs to be a discussion as well about and if you've so if you've hurt yourself, for example, say I when I pull my shoulder, I knew that if we got a cool, I could not go internal because nine what if I'm back up and I now need to carry out. There's a writ situation right medical emergency guy in front of me goes down. I need to be able to deal with that and now I can't do anything because I know my shoulders bust so there's no way that I can deal with anything there. Right? Like I can't do what I should be able to do. So shouldn't we put myself in that position? I shouldn't be putting the other person then within that position. So your own medical State should be something that you should be aware of to if you've you know, you've got a bum elbow. Let's say, you know or some other issue right? Like you should not be going inside of buildings where you will be the person who is now going to be the one relied upon to save your brother or sister in that. Situation because you're a danger to them you're a danger to yourself, you know, so you need to be very cautious of that as well because the liability of that can can definitely it can cause some situations. Yeah, right and there's many different factors to liability and we're dropping the l-bomb here a lot and that's that's kind of a shift that we were looking to go with here waited waited. Just he's on to the segue there, right but there's many different ways to look at liability. So being alive being a liability to your brothers and sisters when you're injured, I mean that that's being a liability are covering your ass. so you don't get see we're so you know things don't happen because of your actions is a different way of looking at a liability like a liability can be harm that you're causing to yourself or to your brothers or sisters, but it can also be Like secondhand liability if you will, you know, what are your actions even on seeing when you're doing everything right in your eyes, you know, all you're trying to do is help but there's still liabilities out there medical calls, you know, you're trying to do as best as you can you're trying to help this this patient. We are not First Responders, but maybe we're doing things out of the scope of our our training which For example, we'll just talk about a quick we had a call the other day a larger gentleman had fallen he when we were when we got there. I had words with him quickly. He was in I used to completely coherent he was talking to me. He explained what had happened and visibly he was fine. But at some point he had lost Consciousness had fallen down. Wasn't visibly injured but something happened where he lost Consciousness. So for us to just pick him up put him back on his couch where he was going to be fine. I mean, there's a huge liability there. I think that's that's the direction that we're we're going more and more in because we have to so what happens if later on yeah, there was maybe there was some head trauma. Maybe there was I have no idea but maybe there is dot dot dot what? Why was the fire the fire department there? They were helping them and the next thing you know, they cleared him that he was fine. And he's gone. Well, we really clear me his file. We just put him back on the couch. Yeah, you got to have professionals come. So for us we wait for the paramedics to come we can help we can be there we can make sure the keys as comfortable as possible, but we don't move touch or clear until a professional comes and advises and The liability factor of it and that's the direction that we're going and we kind of have to nope. Just going back to to Carl's comment about the shoulder injury any other type of injury. I mean here in Canada, we've got workers compensation. There are more and more fire scenes that that they have officials that are showing up on scenes to make every sure everything is going work safe. bam by the book and we really do have to be careful. We haven't had anything show up but on scene but there could be and let's say Carl has a shoulder injury and he's at a fire call and he's got a doctor's note that he's not supposed to do any heavy lifting or any type of work in here. He is on a fire scene putting yourself into that situation. There's that type of liability that could potentially not only open himself up to but us as a department. As well, why didn't you know about that injury? Why did you put him into that possession? In so there's there's those types of things that have to be, you know, you might have a slight injury, but if you're doing more and more work, it could be getting worse and worse and worse and you're not saying anything and you're not only hurting yourself. You're putting yourself into a potentially dangerous situation. Like you said if you're having to be a Frontline interior guy, Then nobody can rely on you because of that injury. You may not be able to fully do that job. So there's that liability issue as well completely completely and that's tough because nobody can police that but yourself. Yeah. Those were the kids then it lays on your shoulders every time I might like you need to make that cool. So let's say let's say you've got three people that are you know part injured and they say something great. No problem. Now, we know we get a structure fire this week. We need to call Mutual Aid as soon as I get the get. Hey dispatch, if we get this make sure that you call Mutual Aid on this call inform the department. It's not a problem. It just needs to be brought up because if it's a if it's a problem if it turns into a problem is going to turn into a problem on the scene. That's a bigger issue because now we've got people there hurt. He can't do the job to the full capabilities together half whatever, you know half of half the capabilities of what they would have been if they were at full they can be problematic pretty quickly and one of our guys knows about that. I mean Kevin, so I hear mmm, he went through the downward spiral with his back where he was only doing certain things many ended up not responding at all and He was full disclosure right off the Hop basically so it was good. What is it? As soon as there's an issue he started to say hi, you know guys like the back doesn't feel right, you know Omega sticky driving for a while. And that was fine is he could hop up and down he's doing everything but he knew he probably couldn't self-rescue a rescue another firefighter. So he took himself off the front line, you know K is going to be a driver and a pump operator for a bit great. And then is his situation got worse and worse to the point where we have to go rescue him off off of this floor is really bad like that like Volquez going to be okay ever again, like it was scary and then he got some help they needed and they figured out what the issue was and he got better and next thing, you know, he starts coming around a bit more and we slowly working himself back in case coming to practice and now he's he's still kind of secondary, but he's working himself back in okay. A now he's cleared for like dude. He's okay. He's back driving the truck again. Okay, but he wasn't hopping on first track. He's pulling home back maybe right and then finally he brought the note in standing. Yes. I'm clear for full activity and I was a great day, but that was I mean, I thank him for doing it that way because he didn't have to say anything the right and so it was full disclosure right off the Hop and I mean that's kind of where we're going with this. You need to be that that way it's your you're hurting yourself, but you're also covering your own ass. So if something were to happen, there's a liability for you. So if there's an underlying issue that you didn't say something and then all of a sudden Carl dies because I can't save you and they're like, oh well show us your you've been battling this injury for x amount of time. Well, hey - you're getting sued. So back to the liability Factor. So the onus is on you to say something. But it's also a there's a big liability there and and good on cap to like we've said before about taking ownership. He took ownership made sure that we were advised or the administration that fire chief everybody was advised of his injury and saying hey look I can't do this job right now until I get better and yeah, so there I mean there are guys that will Not say anything in there guys, that'll say stuff. It's kind of like I want to keep doing this job. I don't want to miss this and that comes down to there will be more calls, right? Yeah, we're all proud. Yeah group right. There is a very smelly thing that Taylor's with that to right and again you get that in every fire hall you get the alphas the the the, you know, the big me ears and the ones who just want to keep beating their chests and I'm fine. I'm fine. Nothing's going to take me down, but the problem is with that mentality if you can't admit to yourself. Others that you could potentially be a problem on scene G to those factors physical or whatever then you're a liability to everyone the other side of that to is and I'm thinking about this in the in the terms of teams. So now let's say we've got a situation where we're sending guys inside. Well, can you send a guy that weighs 300 pounds in with a guy that weighs 120 because what if the situation occurs where that person does go down and now we've got a writ situation. Could be very easily saved. So let's say we put you know, our smallest guy in with one of our videos dudes on a nozzle inside of a building. Mmm when that shit hits the fan we got some problems one way is working out. Just great because the big guys just carrying that one over his shoulder. We got no problems or All-Star some dame. However, Dane and a package girl like that's your worry, right? So and I don't think fully in Citroen. So we've got a very we've got a very tight group of guys. We know what people tend to be going inside. Anyway, when we're making those calls, but that's something to think about to like. And this is something to think about before you even send people in the building like okay, who do I have who's comfortable and can they support each other in a situation that potentially goes south because if it does can this guy move that going can that gonna move this guy that's situational awareness. It comes down to what's happening over here. But what's my situation with my Manpower it it's ever-changing well as an officer, no making. Sorts of decisions and cools obviously lays on your shoulders and had having that Viewpoint your total kind of your compass has to change, you know, your focal point your North is different at every moment and you need to make sure that all of that is in in your view at all times because when situations change and they do and we all know it's very Dynamic on the ground. We need to make sure that we're all watching everything but sometimes when you are the focal point guy and you are doing a task, which is Why we've now removed certain aspects and certain jobs for our nozzle man for our backup their specific points that you are dealing with at that time. Yes, you were trying to be completely aware of everything but you are very still focused on what's going on. You don't have the opportunity to detach. That's what the officer now going in with you is for so you just need to be aware of that too, right? Yeah for sure. Yeah. Boys, they were going to call it a night. It's been a big big conversation. It's been a long week. Yeah, I think most was a crazy week. I think we sat down so night with with a bit of a vision. We never really got there. No, we didn't worrying. Anyway, if we done sort of yeah we go. So try to the begin if I can for 40 minutes. Yeah. It's kind of how Also, I think sometimes it's are better are better podcast sometimes. Yeah, sometimes you need to have those nights kind of call them their Stitch and bitch night for whatever comes out comes out. Sometimes you just have to go unplanned angry. I think last last week's episode are about Sunday that we got cold man. I was really listening to it and just me personally. I was off I was totally off and hear myself back. On some of the some of the things I was saying the slowness in which I was bringing things up like you could tell I was mentally fried from the week. Yes. It's like we're but I just got better completed. Yeah after the cool. I felt the adrenaline kind of Rush a little bit get and I felt a little bit back on my board lead and it better but yeah, man, let's start was it was hard work last week just for me I think but yeah, we got a lot more to a lot more. Stuff to come this is our first episode of our new season s can get and we were cooling at 53, but I might be 54 if I end up targeting the other stuff we're going to do a bonus episode of some of the best bits of our podcast that we enjoyed either from each other from ourselves pieces of information that we liked in different episodes. Now, we're going to we're going to try throwing together and kind of a bit of a montage. I guess you can say my everybody loves a good month. Maj some of it is from Team America. Oh What no no, no man. Really? Yeah, it's great team America. It's a Japanese like a clay claymation all those the puppets. It's the puppets Up have yeah the time of your life, you gotta suck a man. Logan the so we we've got a bunch of different bits and pieces that are going to be sent to us. We have some of those they called the balls or those fire extinguisher. But yeah, the fire extinguisher thicker coat. Anyways, we are going to be getting sent some of those so expect some videos coming out of that. So we're going to test those out in the broom building. We're also probably going to be Doing I think we were doing a sprinkler demo, which we're going to end up. We are awarding and even downstairs yet negative walk up that way. Yeah. Yeah. Both of the buildings are the rooms. They're done are constructed ho yeah Stoke awesome. So we've kind of our guys have built a building area with two rooms and we're going to fill them both up and show what sprinklers can do. So we're going to set fire to them both and show what what actual sprinklers Actually achieve and as part of that. We're actually thinking that maybe we'll use one of the little ball things as a demo inside and one of those Mmm Yeah, we've got we've got a gentleman who's going to be sending us and demoing for us a forestry sprinkler very expensive one that he's going to be donating to our fire department when he does get a chance because obviously it is Wildfire season right now. Yeah, and so he is very busy. But when he gets an opportunity he is going to be around to demo and showcase what he has so as part of that. I know that he said he's going to be handing over and we've also had a conversation with a group called associate fire and they are going to be donating a whole bunch of fun product for us to test them break. We've already made the stipulation that it probably won't be coming back in one piece and they're very happy with that. So They basically said just you know test it to failure, which is what we like to do with our stuff. Make sure we can we can use and abuse until it it does the job or doesn't do the job. So they're very happy with us doing that to so expect to hear more and see more from that. We have a whole bunch of video that is planned. Of course with the weather the way it is we are not we are not live burning right now. We won't be doing that until probably the end of September, but when that starts expect to see a lot more of our training content coming through next week. Week, I think what I would like to discuss or maybe just after is we are Scott mentioned it last week. Actually we are going to be doing tests in every September where we have our guys go through set stations and prove that they can do the tasks of which we have trained for. So, you know forcible entry throwing a ladder at CBA on and off and what you need to do for, you know your packs etcetera and your masks and She might want to be able to do it or not. Yeah, it's not sand lots of jokes. And yes, so we we do a lot of internal training. We do a lot of internal I want to say certificates because we don't know sir that are training officers have certs exactly so and they're the ones that need them. absolutely, so Once you take your title one looks like your stamp of approval and then you're off to go be a firefighter. So we're taking that kind of the one step further Scott's implemented a few years ago. Where annually will take our firefighter test if you will and it was a written test of all of the things that you should have in your mind to do the base job. This isn't none of this is Next Level Training. This is All the base job just to make sure that your back to basics information is embedded in your mind. So now we're taking another step where we're going to do the basics of training and it's going to be a station of you need to get into the truck put it in drive drive to the hydrant hit a hydrant flow water make the truck pump blah blah blah. So that is your one station and it's not give you something everything else that we do. It's not a pass fail. We will make sure that you pass. We will train with you until you pass this will be a this is your job do it and it's pass/fail. No no instruction. However, if you fail, it's not like you're off the department, we will then take you aside see what we need to do give you the tools that may be missed allow you to retest pass/fail perfectly past now, you you move on and there's going to be a bunch a bunch of stations. You have your ropes where you going to have X amount of ropes that you you need to earn not sorry that you need to be able to tire out on the fire ground. It's not going to be 30. It's going to be like for your it's so your PB gone off in an x amount of time on the breathing air. And I think I think we're gonna do in the back of a truck like it's the full the gear on. Get in the truck get your air pack it off the track show that you're breathing air. Nothing crazy and it's going to be a very attainable time but time throwing a ladder throwing a roof ladder knowing how to set hooks knowing how to throw a two-person throw for an extension ladder inch and a half two and a half holes handling man. What am I all forgetting? There's there there's a bunch frog ppv. Yeah exactly. They don't know how to run a fan of the fun stuff, you know simple stuff right forcible entry. It's going to be a quick couple minute per session is going to be groups of three like a truck team basically and you can assist each other to a certain extent some is just a single person you do it or you don't but I like the forcible entry is probably going to be a multiple person and you have to have your your nozzle person you you have to have the person that's doing the work so Treat it as a three-person team. Everybody's going to cycle through and it's going to be a yes or no and if you like, you know, like I say, if you don't have it, we can revisit as a group. These are the people need to brush up on this great will go and do that and then you can come back and retest on on that. We want everybody to pass but it's not just about possums about finding on the college's. Yeah funny holes that need to be filled Leo and just make sure that you know, hey, you know, what these guys They miss the train at night. Yeah, I mean it's not like we haven't gone through these things if you type is but maybe they missed a couple of nights and those those two were, you know, forcible entry and they're not that Keen On Tools. Maybe that's not the job. They normally feel maybe that's maybe they normally drive the truck. Maybe they don't you know, and we want everyone to make sure that they've got a basic understanding because as we train and as we do things having those the mindset of you look at a situation, I know they're missing somebody in that situation. I can fill that hole and having somebody Who can do that having people that can just constantly look at a scene and just say hey this isn't happening. I can do it and they just go do it without having to hey, do you mind if I all this is I should probably can I or hey chief you got something for me to do know there's something for you to do. You see that it needs to be done get in there and do it. And if you've got the skill sets that are well-rounded enough to see it you're going to do it every time I think it has to do with the training Matrix that we have that nobody gets messed and that Make sure everybody is for our interior exterior level of stuff is where they need to be that way if we did miss somebody for ropes or forcible entry. Yeah, take my side show them the skill get them to do the scale and say check good. Yeah and and move on to make sure everybody is up to Snuff as dr. That liability thing. This is us being able to say. Hey, we casted annually our membership and this is all of the questions. Qualifications that they meet you might be certified, but you're qualified right A certification doesn't mean you can go do it a skilled skilled slow and still had so many message me about the the $2 you can still pass even $2 bills get paid less. Yeah, and this isn't a dig against paid guys. It just means that hey, you know what? You got a piece of paper with your name on it. Sure. I do too. There's a hundred hundreds and thousands of people that have driver's licenses these days but show me 10 of them that can drive. Like it doesn't mean anything unless you can do the skill and this is our way of testing that you could do the skill. Yeah, I think it also we have to have a certain level of as per our provincial guidelines for volunteers because we are volunteers that we have to be at a certain level if we're going to be interior exterior. So we have to be at that certain level to be able to continue to be that interior love just one more way for us to to prove. Annually that we do meet those standards that this is actually being set by us. This is a I'm beyond what we have to do for the Playbook The Playbook just controls the portion of what we need. No, this is an internal test created by our training team to ensure the our guys know it it's not it's not mandatory at all. You just need to do the written test paperwork, which I'm sure a lot of departments do and have to do because if that is the Playbook name, but this is that extra step extra documentation of also doing yeah for everyone's sake, you know, I know that I'm probably going to do very poorly at the truck stuff when it comes to driving it and getting water and things like that. There's going to be a there's going to be some brains. Sequences that need to occur. Yeah, and I may need to run through it before we do we ran through not see other night with Matt was awesome. Great refresher. I can do it with my eyes closed. I can do it be on my back right now you like but if you'd have asked me next week, and I hadn't had that 30 minutes with Matt. Good night, man. Good luck. Maybe what we could do potentially is that we can make an evening where we come down and we actually run through the stations before the it comes through we can record. The content and actually show the skill sets because it would be great for our content for our internal use for our guys and for obviously for me. So I think there's there's nothing stopping our guys from saying to anybody in the training officer or anybody on the training team to say. Hey, can we go down this night? I really suck at this or I miss this night. Can we go over this half an hour or whatever? Yeah just as That Tuesday night or Wednesday night or something that at least peaches them that for when it comes around again, they know that rather than having to reteach over they decide not to come that night. And again they've missed and then this date yeah as a group a training group were very keen to put in the extra time with for our guys for neighboring departments. It doesn't matter what it is if somebody reaches out and asks for a little extra. We make the effort as a group and we put it out to some extra people and that's one thing I and maybe we should bring that back up again on Thursday. Hey, like just so he knows like this is coming down because we left all the our membership know that this is happening but a quick hey anybody means to brush up on something don't hesitate to speak up and ask we want you to pass. We want you to pass because you have the information. So let us help with that. I mean there's stuff for the like you say like Carl is going to struggle on drops. I hate knots and ropes I can get it done but it is not my fault. Hey, it's so I'm going to be brushing up on that to make sure that I mailed it because you got to mail it. So I think a good thing too. Is that us as a training. Group will go through everything together beforehand as well because obviously us as a training group spend time teaching stuff where we don't always involve ourselves in into it. So we're like, okay you need to do this this and this and they do it, but we're not actually physically doing it ourselves. So we need to be able to show ourselves what we're teaching we can actually do as well. We also are going to venture towards our strengths and there's certain things that each one of us and do that we excel in so if we're training on ladders one one night and we're training on V is more times than not you'll see me on TV is side because that's kind of my jam right where I can I can get the ladders done, but I know V is I'm not something that I can I've taught that many times. We've been through this a bunch. I feel confident with it where I can then maybe give some Tips and tricks to some of the newer guys coming up and maybe some things that the older guys haven't seen because hey everybody does things differently. So Carrie, she inserts yourself into the training that she might not be as strong. You know, she taught a ropes course and I remember coming down here with her and we had ropes tied to the back of the truck and we were going back and forth and doing it off of Notepad. I mean like we know in the moment when there's a group of people. Okay, I'm going to do this you that you kind of rely on everybody's strengths but we were working through it together from a hangout swipe our brain start fresh and she knew that inside and out. And now I think she's one of our better ropes people here because she took on something that she wasn't super strong with really dope all in and now she's able to teach it just like that and you know, This year we are doing this train right for the trainers. So we're going to go through everything and I think that's going to be great because it's going to show ourselves personally, maybe hey, it's been a while since I've done that. Maybe I need to look after that a little bit more as well. And that's great. And I think it will show when we come back and say this to the membership the hey, we're doing this. It looks good that we're not just the ones sitting back picking and choosing what we teach we're out there doing the work as well. Well, and as we move into some cooler weather again, we spoke about it this summer, but there's no time in the summer sadly to put an extra training. We want to put all this extra training and where we can get the officer Corps and the training group together and do maybe an extra night once every month or so where we're getting that Hands-On versus the verbal that we're giving. Yeah. So yeah. Yep good stuff. That maybe is a The thought on that maybe have some of the newer guys not newer guys per se some of the guys that are looking to join the training department. Maybe have them run those training sessions for the officer Corps and for the training team because it would be a good opportunity for them to teach and showcase skills. You guys have showed them. Yeah, and maybe you guys can learn a little something off of her the boys and girls it got something for you, right? You never know. It's crazy. It's crazy. Yeah, I know everything I'm an officer the Great have a couple guys come out and Tack and run it so we can go and do all the fun. Yeah, that's right because it's a bummer. We have all these awesome training mates and more. So now we're able to do that. Like we're we're doubling up. So like one of us will train and teach it one night and the other one will be part of the circle the next night so, which is awesome. We're getting this. Year versus the previous. I think we're getting a lot more Hands-On training again because of the way that we're going with it. So we grew more and more of that is great. So it's Ash we got for me. We'll do it. We'll do a quick run-through super quick. Yeah, so we got Chief Miller. I got the top check them out online Facebook Instagram Twitter Chief Miller apparel.com. He likes and shares everything that we tagged him in to retweet Graham book. He's everywhere. He hooked us up with some challenge coins. We just distributed them. we still have a bunch here but we we ended up giving hours out to the membership here because we're super lucky to have the ability to do what we do within the hall so anything bonus that we get we throw right back at the hall and yeah she's Miller was a big help with that start and we really appreciate that RZ masks we purchased a bunch of em one ones I think we brought in for T we tested them out and threw up some photos we get a quick review we chose the M1 easy on easy off easy to store seems to be working well for us they do have a bunch of other models check them out if you like what you see and you should like what you see they have a discount code for us it's a public safety so check that out 30% off of any purchase yeah I would highly recommend Get on that. It's great for ma pop. It's great for for brush fire. It's great for we've even started thinking about using it for medical students to ya never know man are airborne. Yeah stops crazy out there. So toss up on EX the safety right motifs rescue equipment. They have the snagger tool. They have their forcible entry wedge. They have Carlos crackles hums. Okay. on their website or not, but they also have a soft wedge for like medical calls just to wedge the door and we even I have it in my journal pants and I was Was the officer going direct and I didn't have my pants mine on my pants on I didn't have my Colonel pants on and I was like God are like that would be something that I should have more readily available in the officer truck does it would have been perfect just wedge that door open? I don't know if they're selling that but they showed it was like I can do whatever I want with me. I'm good. Yeah, it's cool the release the rather they have it yet. I just keep waiting. Okay, it's pretty cool. So they've got some stuff they're testing and they're getting ready to send out and I'm just gonna say it here. They're going to send us some so we are we are going to train with it. They actually haven't said that yet. But hey, thanks. Thanks guys. Yeah, you can't take it back. It's on the internet. They've also been generous to all right. One each, right. Thanks Elon Musk here and send us a Tesla right brother. It says yeah training purposes. Yep. No gasoline. Yeah. I'm like, that's it. Hey, hey, what's going on man? You want to sell any Tesla? Just saying to sleep one each and then when you cut up, right? Yeah, we do know that frame breaks. Sorry. This is how we go. This is my half. Yeah. So anyway, they have some new product coming out anything that you're looking for often. Their website if you enter the promo code DT f f 5 is going to give you a 5% off helps out with the cost of their laser engraving you can personalize all their tools. You can pick a bunch of different powder coating or electroplating. I don't know how they do it, but they do put a coating on you can pick a bunch of colors. So check those guys out there a great small company doing really big things. They were awesome, too. This out at the start. So check them out. Make sure you if you're thinking about it run the discount code saves a couple box kind of pays for your engraving. If you live in to that way you get free engraving with it. So check those guys out. So five five percent off there. Once we have obviously these bonding. I am responding we use them we do respond. We use their app. We do respond to responsibly and what's crazy is sometimes how much faster is so as an example. I was at work and my phone goes off and I go I know where that is. So I hop out of my office. I get a new truck. I started driving down the road. I know the address I get on scene and there's no ambulance there. This is the same at baby. Boom. Boom. There is right now and I was doing but yeah, this is here. It was a gallon or so for sure before. The song went off before my cousin. This is me on scene like on scene. Yeah copy that dispatch also wears PC ambulance. Oh, they're en route. Oh copy that and that came down to our liability chat is they were we had two cars local they were both busy. We ended up getting that mutually coverage from another Island station just down south. So we waited for them. So I am responding was great. That's how fast it was. We ended up. I was on scene before the call even came out. So if that was something serious, which thankfully it wasn't this time. Look at that. I mean you're definitely saving time so it works for us. Maybe it can work for you and lastly but not leastly on the product side of life. Stop the bleed. So it's not really a product. It's more of knowledge. Its course. Get out there get it. What is it? I don't even know the address. We we have it put up. I hope it's not stop the bleed or discovered mentioned previously. But yeah, I'm not too sure. I will make sure that we had we get it out there Rob. I'll bring it up or you're never going to hear the end of it our boys down south of our boys who you have not mentioned yet. Well, no, I was are you okay? I was getting ready. Okay the wrong product. Stop the coaches get em Barb. No, I was concerned that maybe you had actually forgotten. Nobody told. How could I cousin Nick would never let you hear the end of it? No. No, so the bar boys Brotherhood Academy radio out of Maine. They're polar opposite. They're rolling if beer. It's good because they get the same result in a different way and it's really good to hear the way they do things. They're very similar to us. They they don't have in next apartment. They really have a problem with with retention with getting the volunteers out and we're much the same way. We're really lucky that that way but we see around us the same thing. They see around them everywhere else seems to be going through there really lucky and there. I think they just spoke about this in one of the recent podcast. Where they live is lending to good membership there go there there Oceanside beautiful country up out there substantially different to what we have here, but to paint a picture for our American followers that might not understand kind of our value and our sort of weather area here. We're Canadians nap the Napa Valley. We're in California and Canada. Where the California Canada? Yeah, we have a Like I say that's right of the road. But we we have a place really close by that we link to California. Yeah, right. It's very very similar. We do get a bit more of the winter in the winter. But we're that weird desert that smells like crazy in the winter. So we got all true for Four Seasons, but we are really lucky what we have here in the summertime and in the wintertime, so we get a lot of people that want to move. Move here. So maybe there's some worse off places out there that might have a little bit harder time keeping people. So when we speak to that they speak to that they train aggressive. We definitely trained aggressive the NFPA they speak very highly of it. We understand why it needs to be there. We follow it. But we also adapt I mean that's just the way we are I think it Well for us yeah, check those guys out. They definitely give us a lot of love. We toss it back to them we have plans to do a episode together. I don't know where that's going to fall and now everybody's so busy. So I almost think we should put it off the motor motor September's about yeah, you know, like right now next having a hard time getting his crew together. Obviously, there's three of us and there's a couple missing chairs. So this is just the reality of Summer coming to an so kind of look for that in the fall. I think that it's going to be a lot of fun talking to those guys. We won't even talk firefighting was going to talk shit back and forth for 45 minutes. And yeah, it's just going to be american-canadian jigs, right and probably to most trading ones over the sea. Yeah, right and that's going to come from both. Look forward to that and that's really all we got for shoutouts. Oh, yeah. Oh absolutely you do and I know what it is, but go right ahead do. Hey, I'm going to shut up Matt. But was Gonna Shine my yeah, I got another one is off. That's all but the mat one so second alarm dot-org that work. Yeah second one down toward our friend Matt in New York is trying to make sure they obviously all of us get more people knocking on our fire hold doors. So he is bringing up. He's created a calls with a very unique and special team that is helping him promote and Market this So this is going to have some some big big him big impact on the fire fires all across Nationwide when it comes to the US and hopefully it will filter to us to eventually big big calls. Just trying to really show what volunteers do the lack of current volunteers and and the the the trying to build that interest and make sure we get more and more people coming through and enjoy anacin. Joining those departments that maybe don't have as many people so go and support Matt and his calls second alarm dot-org great great calls, and I got one more which we don't normally do but I feel like we need to talk about a little bit just is monk off manufacturing now when I say monk of manufacturing so gentlemen on our on our crew great great guy anytime we need something built pretty much when it comes. Stu mechanic or whatever he is. The guy we turn to he is the one who builds all of the pumps for our forestry trucks. He is the guy who built our re breakable door. He's created some tools, like pike pole kind of style things for our trucks that have basically get pulled now more than the pipe poles do if you want something specifically made there is nothing that he cannot help build. So check them out monk off Manufacturing.com. When Trump yeah, and they're also on the book face too. So check them out on their reach out. His name is Dennis great great guy super supportive and will help you build what you want to build. You're going to see a whole bunch of agricultural equipment. Yes. Don't let that fool. You know, you dive a little deeper. There's going to be some firefighting stuff in there and like crawl says if you have a question if you say hey, I've got a vision and I want this made and I'm sure you guys all have these people in Back back pocket in your communities, you know the Roman email throw McCall. I'm sure he'd be more than happy to at least have a conversation with you. Maybe some he can help with maybe some eating just advise upon so Kim show never done. Yeah hell of a company held a guy. Yeah. Absolutely. I know we he's a hopefully all know he helped build our denominator to yeah. So and then maybe we can get into the better version of the de coordinators soon as well. But I digress ladies and gentlemen. Thank you very much for your time. Rob. Good night girl - later. They said everyone. Oh and Scott says - you say that starts right at the end of solute mom is about 20 minutes ago. Yeah.

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Alright guys, so a lot of people access how do they make a podcast? I'm let you in on a secret on the easiest most productive way to start a podcast and get it up and running and that is the app called anchor is free. They have all kind of cool creation tools that allow you to record and edit your podcast right from your phone or computer. They will distribute your podcast for you to all of the major Outlets including spot.Why Apple Google many more and you can make money from your podcast with no minimum listenership is everything you need to make a podcast in one simple easy place. So if you're interested in starting a podcast Go download the free anchor app or go to Anchor dot f m-- to get started. Let's do it. All right, guys, welcome back ey L episode 28 28 weeks in 28 Monumental first and foremost. We have to think Black Enterprise sure for featuring us. That was it. That was a very that was good loquacious article that they did for us. It was the number one shit story last week on sort a slightly almost out that 3000 share some shout out to everybody for sharing it and all the response that we've gotten for that. It's very encouraging very encouraging. Don't thank you. Thank you for Black Enterprise. We appreciate you Nicole Web. Thank you for writing a story We Appreciate You Well done. And then we also have these shout out curl fast amazing. They childhood to all the girls are curly girl Collective. We actually attended for the first time and definitely won't be our last time. Yeah, it was just beautiful to see melanin celebrated and everybody come and have a good time and I was in all of it. Yeah, sure episode 25 if you have a listen episode 25, that's when Simone marriage. She's one of the cofounders of grow faster. So fast as the largest natural hair Festival in the world, so check that check that episode out. It's a good one. She dropped a lot of gyms on women hair and also on the festival industry, so we actually went this is our first year actually going intending it was 20,000 30,000 people there and it was it was dope. It was crazy really good and then I've done like they're gonna be doing Atlanta. So I landed you're ready it coming your way. Yeah, I'll do them for sure for sure. But you're going to write until we got a very very special show. We actually we do a little different this week. We got so much information that we want to give out to the public that we're going to release two shows this week. We got to do our show what you're listening to right now Tuesday 5 p.m. And then we also going to drop on Friday. We did that before. Yeah episode 24 we did episode 24, but this is just going to be two different episodes and we got some some some information for our International listeners as well on this on the episode is coming out Friday because we get a lot of feedback we get a lot of positive feedback from from people all over from Africa from Europe from Asia and they're like, you know, we want to have a little bit more of an international field. So they love the content but sometimes it doesn't relate to their country. Yeah, so we got some International information as well as information for the globe and I always say even for people are living in America. Don't limit yourself to America like the world is Big right? So the International Information isn't just for international listen to this for you too because we need to get money every single win World and we need to educate ourselves everywhere in the world. It's the World is Flat not literally like Kyrie Irving. Yeah. In trouble for that it's flat. As far as information information is the same. This is why we can be on the charts and in Dubai the in the charts in line of Botswana being a charts and out to Bermuda. We number 7 U du and Trinidad Jamaica, all of these different places is because we were receiving information at the same time right now. So it's a Level Playing Field. So we need to educate ourselves on what's going on all over the world. Not just what's happening in America. They're definitely for sure. So they're very special guest today. Day Fritz Charles. Thank you for joining us. Thank you for having Legend in his own right? Yay. Appreciate that for sure for sure. So he's going to tell his story what very interesting story got a lot to talk about from Wall Street to crypto and one of the things that we've been getting requested to cover the most is cryptocurrency, right? We got some stories. Yeah, so we got our own personal story, but we wanted to bring an expert in the field in as well. So he's an expert in the field as well as a bunch of other things as well. So we're going to get into crypto but We start we want can we get it back story on how you got here? Cuz your story is really interesting as far as working in Wall Street, and you were with the infamous Lehman Brothers, right? That's right. That's right. So, all right. So all of a lifetime, yeah. All right. Can you explain it? Because that's that's that's an interesting story now for sure for sure. I'll try to make it as concise as I could because it's pretty long, but think first off thanks for having me. But yeah, like you said, you know, it's kind of the personal background is a group of In Queens born in Queens New York attending college at Baruch College in New York study finance and my first job out of school is at Lehman Brothers for but you know not coming. Yeah knows I went hard for that job. It was definitely a job that it's a dream job Lehman Brothers at the time. This is 2006. You know, I would say, you know, probably, you know, it's Goldman Sachs and like Lehman Brothers Morgan Stanley rule on that next level Investment Bank, if anybody's familiar Lehman Brothers was one of the biggest investment banks in the world. Yep, or Wall Street like Goldman Sachs same level is exactly and so I got a job there as a Trader. So I traded Equity derivatives mean Equity swaps Equity options and my clients were hedge funds and crazy fun job, you know really intense. I was 22 years old kind of doing transactions that were in the billions lucrative. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you know the intentions billion that's all six digits in stages as as a 22 year old out of Queens is Major and then I you know did my thing got you know, you kind of the way you're hired as an analyst. So you do two years and analysts and they decide what to do with you and I was got promoted to associate and this is 2008, you know 2008. Obviously the financial crisis happened and about three months after I got promoted we went bankrupt and so and then what happened was it was like three days where people didn't know what was On as far as like whether it was a you know, whether the building to be open whether we had insurance with you just basically working for a bank of entity and then we got word that Barclays bought us and then there was like a whole lot of hoopla as far as like who's going to be left with Barclays who's going to get laid off and I was one of the fortunate people to keep my job. So I just end up working at Barclays his before The Barking sentence. I ain't got any tickets head. So that's alright. So the financial crisis of 2008. Date when Banks were closed in left and right Wall Street was in a mess and you were trading very complicated swap derivatives. Can you give 11th grade explanation on what swap derivatives Yeah Yeah. So basically what it is is basically it's a it's a contract that says I traded Equity swaps on basically Equity index it. So the most popular Equity index is the S&P 500. So you always hear about if you watch CNBC or even watch any news they say, oh the Okay, we're up five percent nine times out of ten. It's all about the S&P 500. And so that's to be 100 is 500 stocks, right? So to to trade it to trade 500 stocks, especially if you know, you're not the hugest hedge fund or you just client that's really complicated. What you could do with us is alright. Well, we'll give you a contract that gives you the same Return of the 500 stocks will take care of like buying all of them. And in what you have to do with us is you give us an interest rate. So we're going to say, all right. Well you pay us. 3% what we used to call it as Libor so libraries the London interbank offered rate, which is basically like it's almost like the international federal funds rate. It's like the set rate like sometimes you hear about people talking about all the FED is going to raise rates whatever. This is like the international version at so you so the hedge fund says I say that hedge fund. All right. Well, you want the return on SP over a year. I'll give you that but you got to go and pay me, you know, 5% some like that for So of the S&P goes up above 5% that's a the S&P goes up 7% 7-2 7-2 7-2 5 is 288 doing well. The S&P is B is below 5 percent then they're out of money. Right? So it's kind of like this weird. It's almost like a bet so to speak how much money was being traded on that. So yeah, I mean no more transaction with these clients would be 500 million 1 billion. Yeah, and so they'll call us up. Like I want to move five want to move a billion dollars worth of S&P 500 and we would take that trade from and you're doing it at 22 years old. Yes. You do not every every day every day. Are you saying from 9:30 to four straight billion dollars every day, basically. Yeah. So the reason why I say that is even if the average person probably would never invest in this type of investment. It's important to understanding under know right. We had a - cash or was a great interview for us and he spoke about When he worked in a bank has to be the CEO of a credit union, they spoke about when he was on behind the scenes at the bank and he started to see that wealthy people had a team of people that was working for him. Right and so much stuff that the average person black white Chinese. The average person has no idea what happens right? But this these things affect the world right and easy and it's so it's like a small group of people that really affect the whole world, right? So that ties into your the Lehman Brothers going bankrupt. So people I don't think people I fully understand or maybe they forgot who we have short-term memories, right about 2008. Right? How did this how did 2008 happen when if you're not familiar if you're too young that's when the financial crisis hit we had the worst recession since the Great Depression stock market was down like 40 percent housing market crashed everything just fell apart, right a perfect storm and then the banks big Banks had to get bailed out course, so what this all started because it was in England. It was it was a trading block. England right that was doing Prime mortgages subprime Mortgage in Oz u.s. Exactly. Yeah that was angling. It was a u.s. So, you know investment being a split in between a couple of different divisions. So there's an investment banks that kind of helps people go public like the IPO and stuff like that and you have the Capital Market side, which was I was in and you split that between fixed income and equities Equity just means stock. So my side was talking about was doing stop but the other side is where they focus on bonds mortgages a bunch of other things. And so what they were so the way that mortgages happen if I go get a mortgage from like Bank of America or something like that Local Credit Union, they give me a mortgage and then now they have they are basically a creditor to me, right and they take that but they take like a thousand of me and he put the mortgages together and you go to Lehman Brothers and some other bank and he let your packages together and sell it for me. And so what Lehman Brothers does it give you the up front. Honey, let's say let's say you just a give you a mortgage for a house. That's like 200 Grand whatever and over time people pay interest and stuff like that. Maybe I don't want to wait 30 years to give my money back. I'm a I'll go to Lehman Brothers. I was like, you know what there's two hundred grand is 200 Grand mortgage also to you for like two hundred ten Grand. And by the way, I got a hundred of those put it all together and then what Lehman Brothers or all the investment Banks they take it put it together. They chop it up and they sell to different people right? But if If the mortgages so but the way that they price it is the risk, right? So there's people that put 5% in their homes and people got five twenty credit crumb, you know credit scores. Some people have 700 credit scores those things based the market says, you know what I'll pay you a premium for the good credit people. I'll pay you a discount for the background people. But if the people in the middle are not communicating straight what the underlying assets are right or what was happening at the time. Had a you had a real estate market without was going up for so long. So that people people that people would like 500 600 credit scores and making only 50 k is made if they didn't come right we're getting houses that were like half a million dollars without we not to cut you off but we cover stated income. We didn't really talk about stated income. So people might want to meet them. They didn't come with a policy in the mid 2000s where you can State your income. So if anybody's familiar with the process to get a mortgage, you gotta jump through hoops to get a mortgage right? You gotta like Like bring you your tax documents for the last two years and yeah, bring all kinds of stuff. They got to check your credit all that but in the mid 2000s it was you just walk into the bank and you state your income and whatever you stated your income. That's what they said. So you can say I made a hundred fifty thousand you can see I made it half a million half a million. You can be a gardener and make $15 an hour and go into a bank and say I make $500,000 a year. They take your word for it and they give you a mortgage place for a million-dollar home. People with doing that it was crazy. Yeah, once we say and that's and the only reason people are doing that is because they didn't have to hold the back right like they were like, all right, because if you are a bank and I give you I mean just think about anybody if I give you know that person my homeboy alone and I know he does have a job. No, he can't pay me back, but I have to wait for that person to pay you back. I'm not a probably give my homeboy alone, right? But if I knew I could take my homeboys loan and pass it to somebody else and they are on the hook for and they To worry about collecting from him somebody left holding the bag. So that's what happened because of the capital markets you were able to do that super efficiently and that worked for a few years because the older real estate prices are going up and up right because even if if I have a loan against a house on a person can't pee in the house goes up. I'm good. So I'm okay with that right or that person is okay because they're more likely to pay me but until that stops, it's like musical chairs, right? So anyway, Lehman Brothers was a leader in that basically they took those Package mortgages and sold them out. But what happened was it's good when you could just pass them out, but then when you can't liquidate them as quickly and then I you holding the bag and then real estate prices go down then people default. They're not paying their mortgages. The houses that are far behind the mortgages are not as valuable, right it becomes as the cycle and then now Lehman Brothers now The Umbrellas has bad credit on their books from the people they can credit to and Pete. Don't give me your brother's credit right then the stock market. It's like oh, I really impressed can't get credit. Then it becomes as this spiral trickle-down effect. And Italy umbrellas has a transaction with bear Stearns and best turns out the transaction with JP Morgan now people like, oh actually I know you I know you The Umbrellas remember I was campaigning money and I know Liam bozos you so now you screw to and now I'm not going to buy your stock and everything kind of just went in a cycle so that they don't you already sound like the cut you off, you know, it sounds like so It almost a Ponzi scheme, right? And if you understand how Ponzi schemes work, you only really get screwed in a Ponzi scheme when things go bad. It's not a lot of people make money in Ponzi scheme Like Bernie Madoff. Right? Right, if you invested early with Bernie Madoff you made a lot of money. Yeah, right because the thing about it is he's taking new money and he's paying the old investors then he's just kind of repeating the process, right? It only goes bad when people ask for their money back in bulk. They don't have enough to cover it. Right but as long as nobody really asked for that money and Bolton you can keep that thing going he kept he kept his the scam gone for 30 years because nobody really asked for anything you giving people 12% a year. Why would you ask for your money back? Yeah, you'll ever session Heavens. Well, that's what I'm saying. So it's all good. When you when you had your these kind of beds until it's not all good anymore. Let's all go to the sky. That's why today. So how quickly did did these guys go under? Like, how could I have been like in a couple of months, right? Well happened a couple of months but like I guess oh seven is when things got a little bit hairy, but then like things stabilized and it early. Oh eight. So bear Stearns was a workers want to go down so bear Stearns going down probably like the first quarter of a wait Liam Brothers was you know, people stock just started going down. So start stockpiling was trading in 220 hundred 40s and like throughout the years just kind of kept going down and I don't love you you guys cut cover this on your podcast previously, but basically, Lee there's these people are called short sellers you can basically bet that the stocks going you haven't covered that. Can you talk? Yeah. So basically Short Selling is like it's weird. But basically what you do is you you say, alright, I think this stock is going to I think it's company sucks. I think it's kind of stop slow down. I'm gonna go to my broker or to a bank and say let me borrow that stock. I'm going to sell it and then I'm going to buy it back later on at lower price. So the stock is at 15, you know, you know, the company is not making money. We think the Cubs not making money. You say all right. I'm going to buy it back lady. I might buy it back at 25. I bought it at borrowed. I sold it at 50 bought it back at 25. That's $25 profit. All right, and so it's actually reverse because obviously usually what you do you bother you. So in this case you sell that you buy and the way you're able to do it is because these firms will take other people's assets like other people stock and lend it to you. It's similar to how people take people's savings account and use those loans. All right. And the question is why would I bring do that? You actually pay interest rate on that money through while you have a short yet because that's all the big short you've read that book. Yep. Make sure the movie to yeah, that's what these guys did. They made a bunch of a bunch of money or boatload of money from shortened. Yep. They were sure that they're shortened his mortgage assets. Yeah. They've been looking at this what happened? Yeah, exactly and you went to Wharton School of Business, right? That's right. Yeah, so Warhead that that comes because of what happens at least. Yes. I've only Min and I you know at the time I thought I had a maid I was going to be working in that place till I was older stacking bread maybe investing on the side but like I thought I had my career made but as that was happening I was seeing what's going on. I was and also what I what I think about investing training particularly, you really don't like your skill set is your skill set. You can take anywhere else right if I traded that one thing I can't even go inside. A bonsai after that like dhoni jobs I could get was at another bank doing the same exact thing. And guess what? No, no we're hiring and you know, like I said, I want to CUNY Brew college and was a great school great education for the money, but I felt like that was a time where I really need a network. And also I need to kind of think about where I want to take my career. I want to do something a little bit more. I have more control over and I because I decided to apply business school and I began to worry and and what their yeah, you're the third of person who's come from. You're the third person that's come from Warren as doing the podcast. Shout out to Brandon Copeland Yep. They're in Ferguson and Eric Ferguson. Those are all both great episode alumni who got a lot of pressure to live up to. All right, but also wore anything by is not familiar is one of the best if not the best business school in the world. Not just the country the world so we have the third or an alumni here and he just gave you a very good breakdown of very complex trading. So you just got to Ivy League. 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Alright, so now we're going to go into where everybody's been waiting for. We're going to break down cryptocurrency for we going to cryptocurrency. We gotta tell a story or tell our own personal story about crypto roll involved. Yeah, so if you know You if you listen to the podcast, you know that a our theme is transparency. We tell you know are real stories in real life and our guests so their real stories and we also have the slogan of all money in child to nip rest in peace, but it's real because we really tried everything I one point in time. We literally tried everything. Yeah, like I know exactly who tried everything. So here's the story on cryptocurrency, right? So 2017 right? The draft we got to take it back to the draft the 2017. So Jonathan mentioned shot down at the Mitchell right Hometown hero and we were at the Barclays Center because we're good friends with his family and they invited us and we were active sweet when he got drafted into the mess. Yeah. Yeah, once again the next screw that up into interactive. We were sitting there like, you know, the Knicks had a chance to do it worked out for them. That was like, I think we got a chance and yeah, that's what we do Frank Miller Keen. Hey, it ain't drafted but he got the pie Utah. But anyway, we was there with his family and one of our good friends. I know shout Inez. So heart kid went to a private school and one of his friends. This is why networking is so important right people that you meet. His friend was like a 20 year old kid, right and I just met him and we just talking randomly. Like what do you do for a living? I'm a financial advisor. So we just start talking mind you he's 20 years old at this time. Thank you like a freshman or sophomore in college something like that and he's telling me he's like, you know, I just bought this. Um, etherium he's like I put 20,000 into a theory and I thought put 10,000 to eat barium like five months ago and it went to a hundred thousand. I cashed out. He said my friend put a hundred thousand to ethereum it 1/2 a million. He cashed out. He started a hedge fund. It's 20 years. I don't know what I don't even think you might have been 20. I think he was eight. I think something like that as a graduation gift. Yeah. Well, you know that and that's the power of family, of course, right? He wasn't from our community. That's for damn. Sure. So when he told me that I told you more I'm like, well we got like what's this like this? Could I heard about cryptocurrency heard about Bitcoin, but I only hit by Ethier him. Yeah. I'm like hold up wait, like what's going on here? And I that's when I started studying it but I still was kind of apprehensive. I ain't really sure so then I see Bitcoin. I'm just studying it. I'm just a student of the game and like October. I see Bitcoin start climbing and went from like 6,000 to 1,000 no, I went for like three thousand. Yeah, it was like 4,000 to like 5010. I call my man shot. The Jason Lewis. I called him and he's a bit coin expert and I'm I okay tell me everything. I need to know about cryptocurrency. He educated me for two and a half hours and I asked every single question that I could act like a thousand questions. Every question. I had educated on me on it and I was like around November. Yeah now it's like November actually late October. It was late October. No, no. It was November some II cool. So I found out this app called coinbase where you can buy cryptocurrency, right? So he educated me. He was telling about the like three biggest currents got that time, which is like coin Bit Coin and they're really very young. So he's telling me about it. So I'm II, you know what I'm going to put my money in I put six thousand dollars and I told a group chat. I told the guys I might look I put six thousand dollars and I spread it across those three coins. I'm like, I'm not telling you how to do this. This is Maya I feel comfortable. Using yeah, because it's a it's a risk like I feel comfortable losing it if I lose it, but I don't know what's gonna happen. So then me and Jamal we go to Asia for a month, right? This is now December. Yeah, we want to agent 420 420 days in December 1st. We left 20 days, but don't let that go over your heads 20 days. Now. I've let a lot of that a life. You could write a book. Well I'ma write a book so that Allah is done, but we went to Asia with with a return ticket. We went with a ticket there and take it back and two nights in Bangkok. That's it for 20 days. We were going to figure out as we weren't we just winged it. We want the five different countries just winging it as we literally winging it like we buying hotels at the airport and you just figure it out day today. So I'm in Asia and it just so happened as fate would have it. I brought into the crypto space like one week before I started to Skyrocket with anybody not familiar November December of 2017. 2017 is legendary. Crypto world like everything went up like a thousand percent a hundred bucks. Like it was crazy. So long story short. I'm in Asia and I had six thousand dollars invested every single day. I'm waking up and I'm just getting five hundred six hundred more dollars. It's going up 7,000 8,000 9,000. It's just dopamine. Yeah, and I will tell you how now we're not sleeping. Yeah, and I'm more focused on that than anything. I'm like, this is crazy. I'm like, I'm about to make a million-dollar before summer. So then Troy starts. Oh, I'm I'm telling the guys. I'm like, I'm sitting screenshots. Like I don't know what y'all doing. I'm getting money out here. So Troy is like he start studying it like he stopped one thing about Choice good with research. So he start studying it like he's up all night with no sleep and he starts telling me about all these other coins Tron and all of these different things and but meanwhile, I'm think I'm doing good cuz I'm going up like a hundred percent 300% 400. He's like that's not enough you like. Yeah, you earn it, but that's not enough these other coins going on with thousand percent. Yeah. Thousand percent. He's like you got to come home. Like I never figured out the hot colors. I was in Hong Kong and he called me like, come on guys. This is this like fact right? So I heard about Bitcoin prior to all this right that was in this the the music downloading Services right here for you. So at that time the US has said early 2008 will I go they're going to prohibit illegal downloads, right? So the people started coming up with web sharing sites like Megaupload rapid shit. If anybody downloading music, you know those sites and one of the things as far as payment was Bitcoin, right? And there's no way that the government can track you something like that sounds pretty cool. But and then I never heard about it again, right people using it. I kept seeing it. I never heard about until like November and she's like yo, I'm putting money in like he's like two weeks from leaving. I'm like, yeah, whatever and then like you said, he started texting us. I'm like, no just so he actually make some money. So now it's like now I got to figure this out. So he leaves and I'm like still trying to figure this out. I'm studying studying. And like I know if they get I read the art of this article on this do Justin son who created Tron TRX. Yep. So I'm like, wow, this guy has a vision for currency like he's going to do it through video games. All right. I'm thinking like wow like Gaza War like these are these games where it's like it's not real money anymore. People are actually using currency inside of games. It's like how before Fortnight of course it was like yo will give you a game for free but you'll buy things in and I'm like, all right. Well, how do I get this? Right? So after I studying right? I knew coinbase and I'm like just gotta be more to this right because I can't even find TRX on coinbase. Right? And so I study and then I hated this this company called by Nance when I went to but I'm telling you it was like 3:00 in the morning. I had to wait because they won't like yeah 12 hours ahead. How many 12 hours I waited. I said listen get them all gotta come home. I'm sorry. Yo book a flight back. I found something. I said boom like that as a fact we found something he kept talking about trying like Tom II don't know me about Ron I got to look like less than a cent. You know, it's funny. You're literally, you know, you were like in the home which are ya the right spot. He just had to find that Community with is that it was pretty I remember it was it was Hong Kong please Uncle in the background was all these lights. That was Hong Kong. I'll tell you. Oh, come on Jamal almost died of different day. He almost died, but I was in Hong Kong by myself and I had all these lights in the background you like come home. I'm like, I'm in Asia. I'm having the time of my life. Come home right now. So he all so he came home and when I got home first thing I did I came to his house and he educated me on how to like buy coins whole process. We're going to talk about that. Yes, but how to buy coins how to put the money in all that stuff rocket caps all that. So then I so so anybody that knows me know that I kind of have an addictive personality. I've never done any drugs in my life and I'm a light drinker, but I very compulsive it's worked out a lot of times and don't say Been very bad from your lights on but I made very compulsive decision. So when I started I started making money and I'm like, okay. So now I educated myself on what we call or coins will explain that later to yeah. So then I just I'm like, you know what I just started bawling days after I like buying coins and doing it in ours it was crazy. So but I like the first week in January my 6,000 grew to 28,000. Yeah, $28,000 in a month 6028 a month and I'm feeling like Warren Buffett. Vincent we said it to ourselves like yo, if we don't make a hundred thousand by June we did something wrong. No, I was telling if it's don't know how I told you. I was planning on making 800,000. Yeah in crypto for that year we calculated for the calculation of the whole thing. So that everything way everything fell apart. Not yet. All right get no no early January it went it went down but then it came back like late January like I went back we're back right and I said, well I fell apart. I put more money in my I'm about to dip and then it fell apart again and I put more money in as imma buy this dip and then it just completely collapsed and yeah, he gave up on the space. Yeah, so but like I said this bill I said this I said look if it was gonna die. I wouldn't write and one of the things I heard that was powerful to me is CEO of Ripple said this he was like the reason that this is going to work is because if you think about money, right, what's the Fastest way to get $100,000 from San Francisco to London. How do you think this is Curtis crypto? He was like the fastest way in today's society, right 2018 at the tones. That flight is to get on a plane to fly. Why would that money to London? How is that work in the world of technology? Right? That's why Ripple and all these other old coins and Bitcoin that's why it's going to work and when he said that I'm like nah, I don't care. This is gonna go down. This is not going anywhere sure. I so like one of the things we did to and shall we It was like we were like look, we're not letting anybody get that on a boat. Like if they missed the Cyber bubble right in the 90s, right? If that is this we got to make sure that we get the Google we got to make sure they have we get Amazon and we don't get stuck with excite.com. Right but we're not leaving anybody. So I was like, yeah, I'll call everybody. You know, like we're gonna call everybody we know so we can tell them how this works and teach them and like we made Matt phone calls. It was like nobody wants to learn no. Nope. He weren't my players. I know I'm good. All right. And now we gave you my story. It's a tragic story. Why not? It's a learning English. What's up, y'all? So if you're listening to this you obviously like podcast and you're probably like music just as much on Spotify. You can listen to all your favorite artists and podcast in one place for free. You don't need a premium account Spotify has a huge catalogue of podcast on every topic including the one you listening to right now on Spotify. You can follow your favorite podcast. So you never miss an episode premium users can download episodes to listen to all Line wherever you are, and it's really easy to share what you've been listening to with your friends on Instagram. If you haven't done so already be sure to download the Spotify app search for Ernie Leisure on Spotify or browse podcast in the your library tab. Also, make sure to follow us so you never miss an episode of earn your leisure again. So, all right. So can we talk about crypto list Art 101, right? What is cryptocurrency so cryptocurrency is digital asset that lives on the internet that has value and what is the value come from? It comes from people saying as value, right? Is that simple? And so and it's that simple because also that fickle based on what you said, right? And the question is I a lot of people say our house. In the currency, how is anything the currency than anything is the currency because currency is not be back by 8:00 is a belief right and it's a belief that it's if more people believe that is going to go up in the future. Then more people by it's a supply and demand thing and that's what kind of moves it. But yes, it's a digital asset that lives on the internet and there's you could transfer it without any middleman. So you don't need the experience is similar to like a venmo experience Zelda. Parents or whatever cash app experience. Peace. If you don't have cash you don't have cash up in the middle what's in the middle is actually a community of people that validate every transaction and it's all right. So that's the definition of the blockchain. Yes. The block size is validated by the blockchain exactly. So yeah, so cryptocurrency put the name was a little deceiving because it's not really being used as currency right now small so above an investment. Right? Right. So it's an investment because due to people due to the the way it's moved and Bitcoin. Being the first cryptocurrency. It's moving up and down just based on the the store. You just said people don't want to use it as a currency. So what it's made to be a currency. It's made to allow people to move money back and forth. But because of the way it structure so Bitcoin structure in a way where there's a limited Supply right was a seventeen million 17 million now, but Max is 21 million. Okay, so people are anticipating at that point that's going to be worth a lot. And so it's kind of transferred from a currency to more of a digital goal. So it's like it's being viewed as a commodity and that's right value is exactly right? So that's what Jason told me. Yeah, so all right because this is something that's interesting. So people say like well cryptocurrency is in thin air. It's not physical. It's not backed by anything and I say neither the American dollar. That's right American dollar used to be backed by gold but I think in Nixon he changed it a rule to go standard. He removed the gold standard. So now the American dollar like most all dollars all over the world. There's only backed by the Faith In America still by Mark American dollars only back by the faith of the people right people think that it's worth what it's worth. So at any point in time when the vast majority of people who think the American dollar isn't worth anything. It's not worth anything right? Because I mean like you said what Bitcoin there's a limited Supply once it gets to 21 million. There's no more right? So the value of that will go up obviously, right? So that's why you get those projections like Bitcoin will be worth $500,000 for one coin. Right? Whereas a dollar they can make a million of those every Exactly. Okay. So like what's the real value? So Bitcoin that's what most people have heard about Bitcoin and cryptocurrency Bitcoin is the the first crypto the granddaddy of cryptocurrency started by shidoshi Satoshi Nakamoto. That's right. Anybody found them? You know, why father is lot of people claiming that yeah. Nobody knows she loves you. It's the real world Nakamoto. Did I say that correctly? If he really existed or if he's a group of people or if he's one person or if he's still living, who knows but he he's the founder of crypto. Yeah, right because he made Bitcoin right then from Bitcoin. You have thousands of cryptocurrency over 2,000. You have a whole bunch of different Affair IAM to Ripple and it all kind of serve different purposes. So you have some that are like for just music you have this like all kinds of different things like websites now like you have a website for Everything you have a cryptocurrency for everything. Well and you have so like from those right? They're not the top three. You named Bitcoin etherium. Those are like platform. So people build on those platforms, right like you Therrien like a bunch of platforms are get built on there was like a digital computer. Right right, you could build on top of it you could in theory were introduced the concept of a smart contract. Right a smart contract is basically a digital contract that says if then if this happens then this Ins right and the way I like to illustrate is a vending machine is a smart contract right? Like I don't need like I go to the corner store and get a Twizzlers. If I go to a vending machine, I put a dollar in there's cold inside and vending machine that gives me the Twizzlers the immediately and etherium takes that and makes it a whole nother level right? If you think about the internet most of the entrance like most any website anything they have the way it works is if then if then stand If I like going to gmail.com and I put in my password if the password is good, then it gives me access if the pastor is not good. Then it tells me you got the whole batch got three more times to get the first exactly so the theorem was the first time to take that that code and put it on the blockchain makes it makes it decentralize because like what I just explained the keyword tools, right? Right. So Google centralized I get lives like the the way that the code Works lives on Google servers and Mountain View in Nia obviously throughout the world but like that is where the Hub is that vending machine like that code is in that vending machine, but the way that blockchain and crypto is done it actually distributes the cold around the whole world or whoever wants to be in validator and then that's it and so it decentralizes it makes it Democratic and it makes it Limitless as well as borderless. Yeah, that was one of those those keywords in that space decentralized and it was like If you think about it, like a company like Google right like a lot of times in this coming up in the news now that you know, the federal government is looking into him, but that data that's being sold right there like the middle man selling it. Right? Right. That's one of the things with this space is like there is no middle guy. There's no middle man, you know, so it makes it the middleman is everybody right? Well, the one thing and that's one thing that I said, so when I first my first reservation before I started investing in cryptocurrency, I made a video on Instagram and it was my On bitcoin right? Because everybody kept asking me my feelings about Bitcoin and I said this what I said was I think it's a good idea in theory and I think that is dope, but my biggest fear is that governments control currency and at any point in time when governments feel that they don't have full control of the currency or it's not benefiting them then they'll stop it. The one of the reasons why cryptocurrencies really fell in 2018 is because governments across the world cry. Down on us it's hard China China China South Korea. Yep. They just said it would not you can't trade and then like if you were in the United States like this was we ran into this problem to it was like we couldn't Buy on certain exchanges. So like one of those things like you said like as far as like stocks you can go to different exchanges same thing with the this space right? There was like Finance was the number one, but we had cryptos a crypto Topia protocol metadox, all these other hand some of them we couldn't buy because we were US citizens. Right. So we had to drive you can invite icos right? Actually. That was yeah. That was yeah, we're lost money in that one. Yeah, so she owes us. And yeah, so I still with the equivalent of an IP also like that's an initial coin offering so when these companies are coming up with ideas, right they need funding for it. They can I see it is important to illustrate why so many coins could exist. So it's over 2,000 cryptocurrencies right? Now. I said you could actually create an e yl token tomorrow, but the reason why is because It currency is cold in the code is open source, so I could go and actually see how Bitcoin works and I can actually create I could change the b2f and make it fit coin and Fritz coin. Is that the white that's the white paper? Yes a white paper, right? So that's how it start. That's how Satoshi Nakamoto the group or whoever this individual. Is it Bitcoin was introduced through the introduction of white paper and a white paper basically was like this cold / business plan that said how it works how the code works. Everybody could see which everybody can see exactly how it works. So anybody can pick it up and copy it right? But just because you pick it up and copy. It doesn't mean that people want to follow you. So you need a community behind it too. Yeah, so like that that's how you get these other coins. Like if you look now on a on like coin coin market cap. Yep, you'll see like a Bitcoin gold or a big radi like they'll say like, hey, we got that cold from their white paper, but we're going to make it even better. Yeah tweak it. They'll take it. That's why there's like a million different in the nothing that was told. She did was he he made it open sourced. So anybody can change the code. It's an ongoing process of Bitcoin is changing. Anybody could really you could change it. Right? It's not something that's set in stone. Right if he did that so his vision and how I see it is that his vision was to eliminate the world Banks and government from like they wanted to make it peer-to-peer and also open source evolving whereas for the people who actually find another goes back to My story like Lehman Brothers, he's great in 2008 it he was these it arrived at out of the community of Libertarians anarchists. So people that didn't trust the government and there was level high high distrust amongst people from the financial system in general just because we want Villas went down and he had a community. He said listen, I'm a create this thing that doesn't need Banks like we could actually work without banks we grew up without the government and we can transact to each other. Trust us and that's that's kind of what we're the fervor came from. Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, I said, all right. So so read a lot of white people's meant a lot of white that right. So, all right so tax, right cause that's what you're doing now with the tax, right? So that's another issue because everything is so new that the government's trying to like catch up to it. Right so we know how like real estate is tax a certain way stock. Taxes are always called capital gains tax. So can you explain the taxes on that? Because that's that's what you're working with now, right? Right, right. So I'll work with a company called so context and so the easy explanation is like Turbo Tax with crypto and so crypto if you trade crypto is very hard to calculate your taxes because the assumption is that alright I go from let's say you're from the US I go from dollar to crypto and then I go from back to crypto back to Dollar that when I have to pay taxes, but actually when you're in the crypto world like we said as well 2000 cryptos you could trade for from crypto the crypto and you actually have to catch all those things are taxable transactions. It's as if you you saw one for the other the government actually looks at that as a cell and a by and also there's other things are you could actually work for crap don't get paid in crypto. That's taxable. You also buy things in crypto and you that's also a taxable transaction. So all of that is pretty is complex to its calculate. Yeah. And so the company I work with this software basically hooks into all the all the while it's all the exchanges and pulls in your transactions and and converts the doll equipment. So an example is our a go from dollar to bitcoin and actually Bitcoin to ethereum then I trade from a theory and back to maybe Ripple right? I didn't go back to Dallas. But all those three transactions are taxable because when I went from Bitcoin to bitcoin to eat there there I have to actually look at the USD. You of Bitcoins from the each time and convert it back even though I didn't go into Dallas. So we allow that calculation and the government is I mean, there's put on article last week where they're going and start taxing. They sent out 10,000 letters to people. Yeah, so going back to how crypto started obviously with there's a lot of anarchists Libertarians and a lot of these people are like anti taxes because they don't trust the government influence the government's doing the right thing and people was were under the false belief that you don't have to pay taxes on crypto. But when I think one of the one of the things that they created was transparency in the blockchain and so yes the transparency bugs Evan back, but I rest also ski see that those transactions to right so you actually are exposing yourself. So you actually have to pay taxes on that. Yeah, and what's coin coin camera? So coin gamma is my own media platform. So it started with an app that I built as a side project in 2015-2017. I expanded it to a Blog as well as a podcast. Why any of you leaders in the space? Yes, and just provide education and so what we do is we write about the space. We offer educational content. We interview leaders in the space, and we're actually going to start coming up with a digital courses where people could kind of learn to treat each meal. Yeah, so I've taught some some in-person classes. So I've taught in person classes in New York City. And also I've taught at my alma mater. So I've lectured at Wharton as well as Brew College around crypto on blockchain, but I'll be doing some My courses over the next few weeks. How do you invest in crypto currency? All right, I mean depends where you are. But if you're in the u.s. you take it you have to take it dollars. You have to be you have to transact on Exchange that actually takes Fiat which is dollars and converts the crypto. Not most exchanges actually do not do that. So you mentioned Finance earlier finances and take dollars right most relaxed, but there are some major changes in the u.s. That take dollars and converted for you and it's similar to like bye. Buying something on PayPal, right? So coinbase is the most popular another one is rot is is Robin Robin Wright. It just happened in New York, right we got another one is the cash at all. Right. So if you've used the cash, you have to pay friends and family for you know dinner or something like that. You actually could buy Bitcoin the same way, but if you wanted to buy another cryptocurrency, so if it's if it's a cryptocurrency, so now all cryptocurrencies on every change so there's a crypt if it's so Base has a limited supply of crypto cryptos same thing as same thing with the other apps are mentioned. So the cash app as well as the Robin Hood app, but if you want to do some of the other cryptos you actually have to basically buy the Bitcoin or three or more on coinbase, then move it to the other exchange, right and then you can transact all those change and that's how people get caught up. Yes. It's extremely complicated Aureus vit had a legendary line say should we for Laughs me? Not a freshman right actually Cryptocurrency don't play around with it. If you don't understand what you doing there because there's been plenty of days but we got calls like go not money didn't go through what happened what happened? Actually it's probably gotten more user-friendly now, I'm looking at anymore. I have my money invested, but I don't look at it. But at one point I was looking at every day, but it was extremely complicated when we first got in because you had to like you said, you can't buy cryptocurrency with American dollars. You can trade dollars for Bitcoin. Ordering a boy theorem or Litecoin and coinbase at that time here and then you can buy the other coins. It was mainly Bitcoin or a theory. Mm. That was some of them you can buy with Litecoin almost from so you had so let's say you wanted to buy try right you had to exchange American money for Bitcoin on coinbase from coinbase. You had to send your Bitcoin to finance exchange and it went now is in financing then now it's in finance now, don't you skip the stuff? What is that Trent that the transaction speed was so slow, which is one of the things about Bitcoin so you have to so let's say you Thousand of $5,000 right? It would take maybe a half hour before it even got not Bitcoin was ODI member. What kind of Bitcoin took me 5 hours. I'm like, where's the customer service? Like, I'm like, no because no one always crazy know what the great thing real? Cuz I mean if you if I was too if I was on the venmo Akash have and I sent it to them all person. I could hit up cash app and say, you know I sent to give me a chargeback if I sent if I bring America and I put as wire the money wrong person. I can call bring America. It may be a mistake because this thing is decentralizes owned by you and its own you also mistakes live with using a black hole not so today. All right. So now it's in finance and then from now you have to buy Tron with the Bitcoin in finance. So it's like a three-part process. What happens is that and then you had someone you send it. They send you a code. It's a code that you have to put in to send it to one place to another this is something that Is extremely important as it happens, we have it to me on my birthday two years ago. I was I sent $500. I was trying to buy Bitcoin gold or was it Bitcoin casuals? Not a Bitcoin by the bit put Bitcoin cash good coin couch on buy Bitcoin cash, but I put the code for Bitcoin. Yeah won't story short. I sent the walk away after I said, I'm like damn so I go back. I'm like I said $500 by sent it to the wrong address. I'm going sorry buddy complain to nice going. It's not as nobody track. It. It's just it's in the universe. If somebody has gone somebody lost like 21 Bitcoins like that. Yeah, they lost 21 Bitcoins because they said they sent it to the wrong address of something and just gone it's crazy man, but like even like that it was like there's so many steps to it. Like this is not like we weren't sleeping. Legitimate sleep and it was like, you know what? I'm not even do this transaction to the morning. But by the time you wake up the value could have gone up by like a thousand percent. So so so because of that, yeah, you probably do moving so fast and frantic cause you know, I got to buy this guy by this and that leaves you open to making those mistakes, even if you are sharp now, it's moving like a fiend my caffeine like it was like we got to do this right now. They just did so I'm like halfway like week trying to do this on my phone and it's like damn like I didn't really have time to really think about About it, but it you become addicted right? You can't it's very addictive especially at that taco. There was so much money being made and it was moving so fast and thing with crypto is that is 24 hours. It's like the stock market on steroids stock market they close their you know, it's way more structured cryptos like the Wild Wild West no sleep. It's 24 hours a day and you have both these Caldwell's. Yeah, and he's whales are like, these are like the big dogs like the Marcos really kick is really controlled. It's like all things even though it was made for the people. It's only controlled by like a Handful of people who have millions billions of dollars and they move it they moved the market so so crazy and they sell their Bitcoins Bitcoins on drop exactly right now. They know they know what they're doing. So it's like it's hard to day trade in that space because you get eaten up right here, you know, that's just that's why I say like, even if you sit in front of computers, like you can't watch them all like it was watching. I mean, this was like no sleep before like two months right like you get text message like a group chat and be like, I remember we're trying went from less than a Penny to like 15 cents, I would like to thank you text with just coming in. I'm like, I woke up like yo what happened? Like right I missed it, you know saying knock it off or try to sense. Yeah, and it went to 38 cents. I think it's the highest that it got to his 38 cents. So that's why I like I said what I went to swarm from 6,000 to 28,000. I had a couple II Broadripple at like 90 cents and I sold Ripple act like three dollars and fifteen cents. So it was like the Good Times Rolling could toss was rolling. The good size is rolling, right? All right, so can we talk about like you said? Okay. So now we got establish of how to actually buy a how do you evaluate coins? Like how do you know? Which coin to buy? How does somebody do that? Yes all when I think the space is early none of that lot of these things are moving. All of these things actually product, right? So people buy these coins out. There are raising money on a hope, right then they're going out there and they're pitching like a white paper, which is like their business plan and they're saying all right. Well, if you give us the money and you get a coin and you will be able to use it for x y&z and you have to study that you have to look at the technology right because sometimes some a lot of these coins actually are like you said you took a Bitcoin gold become caches. Like a bunch of Bitcoins is Litecoin. There's a bunch of coins actually are trying to do exactly what the major ones are doing. And what they're doing is tweaking it and say all right, we're going to be faster even more secure all that kind of stuff. And so you have to figure out whether that story resonates with you, right? So you have to study that but most importantly you could believe that but because of supply and demand is actually you need other people believe it to write like you could believe in that new Christian or is Islamic religion or that New whatever religion right but you may be only person at church or mosque or the other or whatever by yourself right unless other unless you bring it so it is very religious insert inspect because it's their Community aspects because of the value of these of these assets are them going up. So you need more people buy it or they're able to be used among among the community between each other. So if you're the only person that that if you get into it, and then people don't follow you Or I commuters and follow you then they're not going to go up no matter how strong you believe it to be. So you not only have to analyze the fundamentals of it. You also have to reroute other people think about so a lot of research is actually spending time on Twitter spend time on Reddit spending time on these apps like telegram Discord where people are talking about it and seeing what the energy is like and so it makes no sense to have to make your investment decisions based on what other people think. In this space is just the way it is. Now. They got they got the whole terminology like hold total total hoold lho DL and they're like, yeah to the moon was like rocket. It was like when something was going up to the Moon. That's when we know what they called those all coins shit coins as a whole this whole Queens with just any coin outside of the top three really basically. Yeah. No, it's a whole culture cryptocurrency was a whole culture. I mean, we study it down to the T, right. When we started I know Shady when he's amazing with numbers, so he started studying the market caps for each one. And then after we saw the market cap some sort of coin Supply rights. Like I said that you know, they have 21 million. That means I go in this space that's pretty limited. Right but then you get a coin that they'll come out as like there's only 2000 of it. Right? Whereas like ripples likes was around five something like crazy billion isn't like that. Yeah. It's crazy not taste like you can see like hey, what's the growth on that? The 65 billion is only at Like right now is probably fifty one Senators like well how high can it's really go? This ain't gonna be a $20.00 to many but here's the problem with the show, you know, we talk about the Fiat currencies like the dollar euro Etc and how there's each country. They have like a Federal Reserve that create Unlimited Supply Bitcoin doesn't have like a group of people. All these other coins actually are centralized. So they actually a little bit more like Fiat money. So yes, they could go out with a white paper says it we going to limit it but there's been quite Is that like they were out and like the these the people that were behind it or the company behind it decided to just change the color. We're gonna do more they are we gonna do more right? And there's no s you know that it's a wild West's there's no sec to like stop them his legs a lot. Of course, you know in 2017 a lot of coins, you know, raise all that money and they were supposed to come up with things and they bounce right? I filled up my money. Yeah. It's scary. But like I think one thing that you know, Richard talked about earlier is like like you put 6K is like that wasn't that was what you could lose like even to this day. Like I don't put money you can lose like do not and that time that I would get texts from people like hey, like my retirement is not right by putting money as our time it is the time and like not only play with what you could lose now. I don't don't play with the big boys. If you're not if you're not ready man, because like I said now that's real talk. It's harmless we don't have control over this. Yeah. It's very and without control of anything but especially critical Because it's very thin it's very thin. And that's one of the things that actually got me involved. Once I sort of market cap. I'll sort of market cap. It was like a hundred once a market cap. Now. It's probably like 200 in the 200 million right now billion. Yeah, so we got a pretty hard to like 900 appearance was in the trillion. Yeah. Well posed to the trillion, but I don't think it was in a Navy not a billion like that. I think like 900 million something like I belong story short even where it's at now couple hundred billion. That's not a lot of money. That sounds like a lot of money, but that's really not a lot of guys really not a lot. Because if you look at traditional assets, I tell people all the time. Yeah, the old crypto Market is 250 billion dollars, but guess what Fidelity One investment shop has seven trillion in assets not the fact that themselves 7 trillion, right? So like this is this is a spec. I try. I try a spot up there when I first got into I might look it's a lot more room for it to grow because the market value is so low. That's one of the things that made me get into and that's one of the reasons why I still actually hold out hope because I'm fine. Oh my God, we see if it was going to die. It will look now. Look at that over the last year and a half is that right? Now? There's like people people gave it people Bitcoin went down people like it's over like it's a wrap and it came back up and it's trading kind of training. We never know. Why is just people to believe he's right the belief nice. So, yeah, I so now you got the education, but for people that want more information, how can they contact you? What's the your podcast and your app or your information? Yeah so far. Cast app Instagram as well as Twitter is all the same thing coin gamma. Socio i n g a MMA gamma is like a term that is in options world that in my old world that I brought over. But yeah going gamma is it and if you search my name, my name is relatively unique. So you'll find me. So Prince Charles on LinkedIn. I kind of changed my last name on Twitter and Instagram is First Chain. You'll find me a fish chain on that like blah. Jane yeah, okay man on the whelk that got ya so you can find me on all those platforms day. Yeah, I'm always putting out educational content DM me add me on LinkedIn and we could chat for sure for sure. So Troy hit you are yeah check out the patreon is I'll probably pay program patreon.com backslash on your leisure every every week. We seems to be growing there. It's a community this community now way so we got some new members on the shout them out as Shawn, but Nina Nicola trip Janet I And we got to give a huge shout out to Tony. Shout out to Tony. He was on one of our members from a couple months ago. But he made a video like a testimonial video just about how great patreon is. So he just did that out of love for us a shout out to Tony and everybody that's been supporting on patreon. Now, it's amazing patrons and me. It's like I said, it's a community and eyl university is real. We're launching some stuff. Everything is top secret right now. But yeah, if you can't get this level of information, even if you paid to go to school you probably want Very difficult to get this do so many things real world. It's not just people just supply and demand chose actually real world people as actually in the field doing it themselves. Are you can't get that kind of information in college professors are they don't do that but most professors and if they do that they study in one area, right? Yeah. So in everything now, it's different. It's a different level of Education losing Atlanta. Somebody said that they got two masters degrees and they learn more from our podcast and they let the guy from the masses as a major. That's amazing. So patreon is a lot Cheaper in any University in America is different level Tears like we said on every episode so you can join at any level you like but we're just going to keep on the information out now for sure for sure and then book tip of this week is Bitcoin millionaires from the Winklevoss on makeup on it's about the Winklevoss Winklevoss Twins and it cracked and Chronicles their journey of anybody not familiar. Those are the guys that Facebook they depend on how you look at it might it might have got screwed out of Facebook, but they got the last Dan because they weighed down the lawsuit. Well that but they became the first billionaires off of Bitcoin that was in fact, I don't really probably lost some money now, but there they made so much money doesn't matter at that point doesn't agree with the own exchange. No, not a powerful players in the Bitcoin market. So it's a good book. I highly recommend it and we will see you guys in three days because we have a as I said is this week is different. We're going to put out two episodes this week. So we'll see you back on Friday at five PM keep spreading the word and please it's theirs.

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We've all been there justifying our creative job to Mom and Dad explaining what our job is to Granddad brushing off jokes about freelancing from her mate who works in finance but times are changing and the value of creativity is being recognized the creative Industries are the fastest growing part of the UK economy and only slightly jobs to be taken over by robots. I'm Keeley McLeod and this is get a proper job where I'll be talking to researchers andAbout the issues that matter we live in such a world of opportunity. There's never been a better time to cash in on your passion in this episode of get a proper job. We're talking digital content creation with influencers marked reveal guess and Jess TVs. Hello and welcome before we get chatting to Json Mark. We're going to hear the research from dr. Francesca. So Bandy of the card of school of Journalism Francesca is a lecturer and digital media studies and she'll be talking about creative labor rates for digital content makers my work primarily focuses on issues to do with identity and equality media in the marketplace. So there's lots of different ways that influence our culture or the rule of an influencer will be defined for me. It's about work the word. The cloud and social capital of people who have managed to get a degree of Fame and have managed to also profit in various ways through their digital presence in particular. I'm thinking about social media. So we've got YouTube vloggers people on Instagram people and Twitter for me social influence. Our culture is about what people are doing in digital spaces, which results in some degree of Fame for them. But in a way that differs to the conventional celebrity format that were familiar with Is so it's different to the Hollywood industry in theory. Anybody can become an influencer, but we know that in reality actually very few people can actually make a living from that process certainly something that's really interesting for me to observe is how when we think about the typical high-profile influencer, they have often hundreds of thousands if not millions of followers or subscribers perhaps on YouTube perhaps on Twitter, but what we see less of a discussion about is this rule of the Michael influence or sometimes even the Nano influencer. So this is people online with a much smaller presence. Sometimes typically maybe even a couple of thousand but which because of their smaller folder numbers enables them to sometimes have a stronger more effective degree of Engagement with the people who actually follow up what they're doing. So there are really interesting examples of Brands actually saying we don't want someone with the biggest falling or we don't want a high-profile celebrity. We want somebody with a much smaller digital presence as is has often been understood but we want them because they can provide us with this sort of hyperlocal and form of Engagement that they can't actually get by turning to the traditional high profile individuals that brands have often worked with in the past. Some people will see that media has become democratized and that the rise of what might be referred to as do it yourself or do it together digital media means that people are able to avoid Gatekeepers and broadcast themselves to an audience in a way. That's very Hiring so to speak but I think the reality is even though the playing field are certain aspects. The playing field has been leveled in some ways very few people. As I said can really make enough money from this sort of work that they're going to be able to do this full time. And actually when you look at of those people who are able to do that there are issues to do with inequality. So whether that's issues to do with class background issues to do with age issues related to the financial stability that somebody's in In to be able to pursue this full-time. So again, there are a lot of contradictions really to think through or a lot of different potential benefits and challenges involved in somebody pursuing this type of work. And the last thing I would want to do is imply that anybody is capable of doing this full-time. Certainly. There are examples of people who can but the reality is to be an influencer and to be a very profitable one involves quite often having access to different sources of income sources of Court and and being approached in your work from a particular place that very few people are capable of doing now we're talking to Jeff and Mark about Francesca's research and I'm hoping they'll give us an insight into the creative work that they do you may know Jess from jabber with Jess her curated corner of the internet a safe space for sharing thoughts opinions and Views. Jess is a Welsh lifestyle blogger and vlogger who's worked with the legs of BBC wheels s4c and Orchard. She is close to a hundred and fifty thousand followers on Instagram and more. Than that again on Twitter as well as an active Facebook page website and YouTube channel Mark or Triggs as I hope I'll be able to call him is a personal trainer and founder of 30-plus men's fitness. His boot camps are located all over the UK, but he also has an online community of members around the world. He's built his brand using social media podcasts and video content. Welcome both. Hello. Thanks for having us. Thank you, Jess. Can you tell us a little bit about what you do just to get started, of course. So I You mostly blogging which is the kind of writing form and then Vlogs as well and Instagram is probably the one that I post my content a lot more on and then Twitter is where I kind of run to about my personal feelings. And how did you get to where you are today? What's your kind of career been? Like I started modeling when I was 18. So I was doing all the Lad Mags and from that I kind of just caught wind of the Twitter and Instagram as it was exploding really and then my following grew really fast, and I've kind of kept a steady Pace I wasn't and So your main job now is in content creation. Yes. Yes. How do you find that? It's good. It's fun. It's something that when I was doing the modeling, I was kind of posting stuff. I feel for the sake of it. Give it I felt like I had to be someone online and it's only in the last year when I set up my own website and blog and I kind of decided that I wanted to create content that represented me any kind of put myself over more as the personality rather than just Instagram image, which is why I started the blog so finding your voice real. Solutely Fab Mark, how would you describe your job? What do you do? Well, I'm a one-to-one fitness coach, but that only occupies kind of half of my time. They'll probably be a little bit less than half the rest of time spent online. I took my business online back in 2012. So my day-to-day entails coaching in person, but also I'm committed to doing at a regular Facebook live every day. I do that for about an hour to my fans on my Facebook page. I also have to send out a daily email and then on the weekends actually do live workouts for my paying members. So the days are spent, you know, obviously prepared my Facebook lives content for my emails and generally just serving my online clients which are generally based in Facebook groups. Okay, and I've got an interesting question here for you. Would you class yourself as a creative because you're making creative content? Yes, I would absolutely. Yeah. I've been I've been writing blogs for years and it's funny because when you start off doing that type of thing, Almost felt like I was the only one doing it. I remember I just went on to Facebook and exploded and now all of a sudden everyone's doing it. And would you call yourself an influencer? I don't know. I might influence her. I'm I'd like to think I've had an influence over people in terms of helping them with their health and fitness. Maybe if you want to call me that you can but I don't particularly label myself as one I'll let you Jess. What do you think around the word influencer? I'm the connotations of that. I think it definitely can mean a lot of things. I think when people think of an influencer, they'll think of people who get paid. To post stuff online. Whereas I use my platform to kind of share my content and experience them through that I get job. So it's kind of a little bit different what but I went. Yeah, I think when it comes to the term influence that I'd say that I probably use my platform to try and influence people. So in that way it is but I think it means something different to everyone really and use it to do good. Yes. I hope so in her segment about research around digital content creation Francesca talks about digital media. Lemon creators to avoid The Gatekeepers that maybe in the past would have stopped your content from getting out there and because you can you can post directly and she said that that's empowering. Do you feel empowered by that ability to create content and get it open to the world? Yeah. Absolutely. I think it's something that you own it and it's a space where you can put whatever you want. But it also comes with a lot responsibility, especially when you have a lot of followers, you can post something off the cuff and if you're feeling quite emotional and then that can come back to bite, you know. Is it once it's online that are forever. So when I'm posting something which I know is quite a sensitive topic I go over it many times to kind of see what reaction it could get and what people could take from it. So it's also a huge responsibility as well as being an empowering kind of space to be in for sure. And what about you mark? Yeah. I mean, I like putting out my own content and owning it, but I've been quite been quite open in the past. Like I've been in the industry a long time now, and I've been through a lot of changes myself and some of my beliefs I've actually changed and so, you know what I wrote about 7 years ago, I might not necessarily believe in now and I actually came out about two or three years ago when there was a different sort of we were going down a different Road in the fitness industry with more of an awareness on things like calories in and calories out and I actually said look, you know, I think I was misguided in the past. I only knew what I knew then and I was only doing it to the best of my ability. I've only ever wanted to do right by my clients with what I know and this is what I knew then and this is my updated message and you know, I got quite a lot of For that but I was like look, I'm just being honest here actually did a podcast in which I labeled I was wrong and I talk about certain things which I you know, I used to live I would be Evangelical that this is the only way and now actually there's been updated message. It was just about to ask you about owning your content and I mean in terms of owning it financially and be having the rights to it, but what you've just said they are around actually owning what you've said in the past and kind of standing by or not. That's really interesting area. What was the the feedback that people people a lot? There was generally positive a lot people just like yeah, you know, we admire your honesty and do you feel like that led to any more clients anything different in your business? It's hard to say. I mean, we're always growing sort of year-on-year. So the business continues to grow. So whether that led to any more clients would be hard to tell and what about you in terms of the business benefits. I think it's really important when you're creating content like to kind of own it because it will come back to bite you if you said something to you. Not being authentic. So I think the business benefits is, you know, when you're creating content online people will pay you to post and if you're being authentic and you've got an organic following that will really benefit you as well and more Brands want to work with you. So again, I think it's all about honesty and just trying to be as authentic as possible and Loan and have you had experience of working with Brands. Yes. So I started out working with Brands when I was really knew I was about 19. I think when you've got an influence on line, you've got followers you have Be aware of what you're posting see more carefully consider the the brands that you would want to work with. Yeah, absolutely. And you have any on your Hit List you don't have to tell us who they are. There's a fear there's a few but for me, it's more about creating content. And you know, I want to be able to do that more than just posted an Instagram post saying by this, you know, because a lot of times I think things are changing and things are moving and people can kind of see through that now that people are just being paid to post something. I certainly don't buy stuff just because I've seen someone posting it online. So I think if you're being organic and you're working with a brand as a collaboration more than just a one-off post that definitely stands out more for me. Anyway, is that your experience Mark in terms of collaboration over, you know, just posting what you're asked supposed. Yeah. I mean, I've been in co.labs with people in the past with like supplement companies, which I really believed in at the time and I was like an affiliate for them and I used to push it quite heavily, but now I kind of stamps up back from a lot of that and what I what really kind of gets Me irate is just what Jess said there is like with these influences on Instagram. Now, they're literally just sell their soul for a few quid, you know, that the influences that salad they're not even tried it. I'm not going to try these products that there was products. I was using back in the day would actually I did believe in at the time. So I would endorse them but these days are kind of moved away from that a lot more now, maybe that's just a generational thing because I'm in my forties. I don't know who knows and you endorse a different approach perhaps. Yes. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. So let's talk a little bit about social media because we We have touched on it. What are your platforms of choice? My platform of choice is its kind of separated between Instagram and Twitter for me? I feel like because I was a model and that's how I started off Instagram with very visual. So I'll always post on there when I'm out and about. I've just been on holiday to Thailand. I'm like creating content for my Instagram and always thinking about that on a personal level Twitter is the one for me because I can just want to see run on there, but I don't just run on there, but I just feel like it for me. Important is engaged in conversation, which is why I started the blog. So Twitter just opened a whole new world for me. So that's the one that I use on a personal level, whereas for work and business. It's definitely Instagram for me. Okay, and the positives and the negatives of those channels. Yeah, I think on Twitter, there's can be a lot of negativity around. It's just people's opinions. And once you have hundreds of thousands of people giving their opinion on things you can you know, obviously people are going to clash in an Instagram as people have been using my images. Which I post online and claiming my identity Sometimes using a different name on all different platforms mostly to get money out of people. So asking people to send them money mostly guides on chat rooms, or they use Facebook pages. It's come to it's happened all over so I think when it's definitely something I've become more aware of now, but when I'm posting content online that it's so easy for that to be taken and for that to be used elsewhere and it's something that I really struggled with kind of keeping control of because It's something that your comedy track and it's something that how do you stop people taking stuff? I think once you post something online, it's really difficult to know where that's going and who's using it and who's putting it out there. So it's difficult. I think with the ownership to look at who actually owns that content when you post it somewhere. I think that's something that a lot of people Overlook especially something. You know, I've overlooked it. I'll post an Instagram picture and then look at the likes and that's all you think about when actually that could be used elsewhere and it's really difficult to track something that I think there's definitely It should be more awareness about and also there should be a platform that or someone out there that helped create it was because a lot of time because we are posting stuff for free and we're doing it because it's her passion because we love it. But we're we're protected and who owns the copyright that I'm not really sure. I mean bouncing back from that sort of negativity on social media. How do you go about doing that? It's really difficult for me because sometimes I'll get a back and forth because when people are attacking you personally and don't really know you it's really hard people say just ignore it, but When it's your own brand and it's you as a person is difficult to just step back and not comment on it. So I try and do that sometimes but other times it's just trying to log off and kind of realize that Instagram is not the real world and life goes on, you know, so I think you can definitely get caught up in worrying too much about you know, social media what people think online and what about you tregs for me? It's been Facebook when I went on to Facebook with with business Pages back in 2010. Hi. I have a friend who was like in into like the digital marketing and the blogging and the ETC and he was like this is what you need to do tricks. You need to create a page need to create content and I was like content YouTube What Would you mean? He's like, look, I'll handle all that. Let's just get content out there and I grew my Facebook page fast, like rapidly and actually ended up coaching other Fitness Professionals for about two or three years on how to go online and make money back in the day. You could put a status update and all your fans would see it. But now he's changed Facebook wants you to pay to play. So even if I've got like 25,000 fans on Facebook and I go live. I'm only get 30 join in the reach might be a thousand to five thousand over time when you go back and look at the stats, but but years ago was so easy. You could just put up a post pop up a link and people would buy and I was like, wow, this is this is really cool. This is this is really cool. And for years, it was just growing and growing and growing and then all of a sudden it changed and there's a lot more competition out there now, but I'm really That I went online what I did in 2012 and built my page when I did because I feel like I've got that Authority and literally going online it changed my life because I was becoming a dad with my first son who was being born as I went online. And I literally just hope and up a whole new world for me. You know, it doubled my income. It allowed me to travel and go to different courses all over the world and it's going to help, you know provide my family with a lovely life. So I think there's good and bad points to social media, but I can't hate on Facebook because I've used it as a tool. Tool to give me a great life and to help a lot of people and I always say this if I'm on Facebook, I'm not looking at Tracy's holiday photos from 1996 and magaluf. I mean, they're serving my clients in their groups. I'm serving. I'm putting content. So I use it very strategically. Of course. I've got my own personal profile post pictures of my kids on and things like that, but I've used it to build a business and Facebook's been very good to me. It's really interesting what Jess was saying is why you're always going to get negative stuff, especially if you you you run an ad campaign and you know, I've had people say we Get your like big head out of my feed. I'm fed up of your like Moon faced with your beard popping up and all that and I just delete it used to bother me. I think I've mellowed with age and quite often like I do a lot of self development work and things like and realize if people are attacking you they probably got a lot of issues going on themselves. That's why they do it. I mean like who takes time out online to go and attack people. I mean, it's pretty sad really, isn't it? Yeah, for sure. I mean, it was really interesting what you're talking about there on the differences and you Facebook presents. You have the business brand and then you have a separate personal profile. Yeah, in terms of the boundaries, you know as an influencer, where do you draw the line on what you share on social media? That's really great question. One of the the one of the best pieces of vices I had was from an original mental when I went online when I when I was like just looking back to like 2011-2012 of studying these bloggers in the states and one guy who was online and doing really well. He said people buy from people and that's that's stuck with me and I was She's onto my coaches people buy from people and he always used to like it when he would post pictures on his Facebook page. You have his dog in the background and things like that. It's like people want to know who they're buying from. So quite often like my office is set at her home in my kids room and I'll be doing a live and my two boys at 5 & 7 will come running in they'll jump up my lap and they'll start like talking about there and I just let it run because they're seeing that's my real life. That's how it is on. My dad is chaotic actually becoming a dad help groom what grow my business even more because I was able to write emails and actually say, you know what guys I didn't know what tiredness was for years and now I've got kids so I know what it's like and I used to give guys like you a hard time at my boot camps for turning up saying you're tired. No, I've not slept in years and the message resonated and the business developed again because it was almost like they got to know me even more. So for me, there's no boundaries. I've spoken about all kinds of stuff and I had depression in the past. I lost my best friend to Suicide. You know, I've had two boys which were in and out of hospital with three years of like hospital and no sleep and always kind of thing I've been Very open and that's just me. I wear my heart on my sleeve, but I think my openness has has helped me develop a following but I haven't done it for those reasons. That's just who I am. You just being yourself. Yes. Yes and that authenticity shines through like you were talking about Jess. Yeah. Absolutely. I think for me it's been quite difficult because my brand-new is myself. So my brand is exactly who I am and I kind of had a struggle with what I share in what I'm not going to share and oversharing and then not wanting to share it all and so I think it's only been the last kind. Of year or so that I've tried to find a line of being comfortable in sharing and again because of where I started as doing the modeling and stuff you very much want to portray something that probably isn't necessarily true, you know, ninety percent of the time. I'm not on a photo shoot. I'm not haven't got makeup on and not traveling the world on a photo shoot and stuff. So that's why in the last year. Like I said, I've tried to post more authentic content and be like actually this is me my day-to-day and talk about things that resonate with people and talk about, you know, mental health and body image and things Young girls worry about and your friends and your family. So yeah, it's definitely been something for me to kind of find a balance of what I share in what I don't share because I think also you can feel a bit like you have to share stuff and like you're not probably ready to put that online again because when you've got so many followers people are going to comment on it. So you have to you know be comfortable in knowing what you're sharing is out there for everyone to see so I'll share I've written blogs about my experience with my modeling which Wasn't always great and then I'd have liked my Mumble. I really didn't know that happened, you know, and I'm always aware that what I'm putting out there is what people might not know and what people can then come back at you as well with so, yeah, I think it is definitely difficult. But when you're sharing stuff online to kind of realize if there is a line and what you're comfortable with discussing with people in the real world, I guess because social media isn't the real world and it has effects then a lot of people might come. Is it something you would say to someone if you bumped into them in the street? Yeah. Lately and I'm always very aware of, you know, if I meet someone or I have a job or go for a job somewhere. They going to find that content and then judge you for it because that is what happens. So I think as long as you're being this work keeps coming up on time, you know what then tick but you know, if you're happy again and comfortable with what you're putting out there and you're kind of like I said say it with your chest and and explain it to someone then I think there's no there shouldn't be a boundary. But if it's something that you are not ready to discuss with people in real life, I would say not but On social media. That's a really good tip here in terms of the day-to-day that you mentioned. You know, when you're creating content. What does that involve? I cannot just get I'll just keep my kind of ear to the ground and and see what pops up really, but I'm never I'm never that sure of ideas. I like I like to talk and I like to write so yeah, it's just something that kind of comes quite naturally and what about your creative process Jess? Yes over the last year or so. I had to kind of teach myself have to let you use it. Cameras and microphones and things like that and I don't have a fancy camera most of the time I just film stuff on my phone because it's actually a better camera than my blogging one. But I think being that self-sufficient and being able to create content yourself as just opened up so many doors for me because companies and brands have come to me and said will you can just film it? We don't have to send a film crew of you don't have to send a sound person you do it yourself and I deliver the content the video the next few days. I've had to teach myself to edit and I again I the moment I just use iMovie. I don't even use anything that fancies my YouTube, you know, I'm learning how to To use the Adobe Premiere Pro and stuff but it's just opened up a world of opportunity for me and all that stuff is available online. You know, I just watch YouTube tutorial has anyone ever said to you? You know, what is your job? What do you do get a proper job. I mean, that's the title of our podcast here. I get that all the time. I hate when people ask me what my job is I'm like, I don't really know I literally do everything but I feel like we're in a generation and in an up a whirlwind of opportunity really where people don't have On job title, you know and people when you go into Brands and companies didn't want you to have one brand title, you know, you're doing a bit of everything you're doing the editing you're on camera you're coming up with ideas. You're doing the research for it. So people say that to me all the time and I've been you know, doing the modeling and in transition to the kind of influence of working there for about eight years now and I'm back and forth always, you know with people being like maybe I need to get a proper job and a full time job, but that's not what I love doing. I love creating content and I love doing the stuff that excites me and that usually is doing a Bit of everything so I do get that all the time and it is difficult to ignore because then you start worrying about things like mortgages and when you grow up on your kids, but you know, I think as long as you're doing something you love there's always something that comes around and always an opportunity around the corner and it seems like you're the person to grab those opportunities. Yes. Absolutely. I try really hard on that. Please give me a job you're cultivating a portfolio career, you know, you're showing a breadth of abilities. Yeah, absolutely and there's always a new talent that I learn every day, you know, because I'm just developing Right. I need to learn how to edit and I need to learn how to use microphones. So I think just learning what you want to do and looking into topics and stuff that interests you then you'll always kind of hopefully be happy and doing the job. We love what about you in terms of the personal training people understand that? Yeah, I'm probably probably get it. I don't really get I get it less because obviously personal training is it is a thing and like I said, I that's half of my time and I've been online such a long time. Now, I kind of like people know what I do is kind of I think You know when when you're looking at these influences, I think people looking for now. So I didn't I can see why you probably got people what were they doing? I think people know me. I'm the guy doing the Kettlebell workouts online and I'm doing all that claimed the lives of my kids in so it's kind of like, I don't really get that. I don't really get that but here's the thing what I think what Jesse said is really interesting is like we live in such a world of opportunity. There's a guy called Gary vaynerchuk life Follow You guys probably all heard of him and I remember reading his book crush it and he just said and I've seen him live so many times and he said look, there's never been Better time to cash in on your passion, right? And he said like you might think that your passion like isn't even that cool. Like let's say for example, like you're into worms, right? It's a bit and you might think like you that, you know, no one's going to follow you you're into worms, but you type worms into Google and there's a whole different. There's a whole world's going to come up. So why not? Why not super Niche down and go online and start talking about it. And this is what he talks about. All the time is like look if you've got an iPhone and you've got an idea you can take that online and you can earn money online and I remember when I I first started to make money online. I'd I've gone away on a on this site Fitness Retreat to actually to Thailand with this some uk-based Guru who who sold this program. We takes you away for 10 days and you live in paradise and you have people come and make you food and all this kind of thing and you create your online fitness program, and I remember him saying to me said he said trades there is no better feeling than when you've worked for months building an audience building up for a launch and then you sit there. You could be anywhere in the world and you press go and you send out your email and your link and That come in and he said and he said it's just an incredible feeling and then I started to experience and I was like, wow, this is incredible. You know, I could be sat in the house having a beer and I just pushed going these sales start coming in not by chance by the work that I've done leading up to that for months and we just live in a beautiful age where you know, I'm my kids like watching stuff and I'm Goin how many subscribers is YouTuber got John and he's kind Daddy. They got three million. I'm like this guy's like 16 with three million YouTube followers like this. Is just insane just an insane world and time we live him. I really liked what you said their cash in on your passion. You're gonna be my new thing. Also, I'm going to obviously start following your workouts as well. Maybe just to round off really we're in a new decade 2020. What does that hold for you guys? What's coming up for you? Well, I've got a new mini series coming out on a hunch. I saw also use Facebook platform. Films that's coming out in 2020. Hopefully going to be do more stuff with them and going to be doing stuff with BBC session as well. So that's really exciting. So hopefully just again creating content and doing stuff. I'm eating exciting people which is what I love and the focus of the miniseries is your life. No sigh meet an interest in people all over Wales who have jobs in the sex industry. Wow. Yeah, so it's something that's not really done on SLC before because you know traditionally that they don't really speak about Sex but actually I think when you say it people are like, oh my God, it was, you know quite naughty but actually it's really endearing conversations because it's just people going about their day who have a passion like we were talking about and they're cashing in on it. So yeah, they're really really interesting Converse. We look forward to seeing that you want about you. So I'm in the middle of writing my first book what yeah, so it's not that till the end of a publisher yet don't have them but I very much Believe In The Law of Attraction. I've used that my my I'm just writing it. I'm just in flow. I chanted try and do about a thousand words a day after I've exercised is called don't slow down and it's aimed at over 30 is men for his men 50s men that have maybe never really got started or are slowing down because Society is saying, you know, you need to slow down there's more and more evidence. Now that guys in their forties and fifties are doing Iron Man's are doing triathlons and I for one wholeheartedly agree with I'm 41 now and my kids are 5 and 7, so I'm kind of out of their nappies and no sleep stages. And so I'm you know back to exercising. Good night. I would sleep a night and all that kind of thing so I can really make that a priority so he's kind of like and I and the message in the book is well, actually, you know, if you're in your 40s you your life probably never been more set up for you to go and achieve a big goal. I look back to my early 20s and I was raving every weekend and in no fish. No fit state to do anything. So right now my life is like, you know, nine hours sleep, you know water fruit veggie healthy, so it's kind of like pushing that message and it's more of a mindset but really I'm very much into self development and I don't even think I've written about you. Personal Fitness at all in it is more about getting the mine. Right? So there's one of the chapters as it so you don't need a new diet, you know, you've got to be met before you won't be physically ready into your mentally ready. So it's about tapping into these guys reasons why and and and actually built building a picture of who actually want to become so I'm writing that I'd hope to have it out in the first quarter of the year. We also run Retreats and I have a kind of high-end service where I work with over 30 as businessmen that kind of really successful a lot of the guys in the city, but they they have maybe put their health and fitness on the back burner. So I work with them online and I get to travel around and Coach them. So more of that more of that, please. I mean, I think if half the amount of energy that you've gotten person comes across it it's going to be a fantastic really much. Thank you both so much for coming and I have just love talking to you it also and thanks also to dr. Francesca. So Bondi of the kind of school of Journalism for sharing her research insights into digital content creation. You can find a link to her work in our show. It's as always thanks for listening. And if you enjoyed please rate and review it will help other creatives to finders. We always want to know what you think. So tag creative Cardiff and any of your comments on social media get a proper job is made by creative Cardiff with and for the creative community. I got a proper job. I got a proper job.

In episode one of Get A ‘Proper’ Job, we hear the latest research on creative labour rights for digital content makers from lecturer in digital media studies Dr Francesca Sobande of the Cardiff School of Journalism, Media and Culture. Influencers Mark Tregilgis and Jess Davies then respond to this research laid out by Francesca. Jess is a Welsh lifestyle blogger and vlogger who has worked with BBC Wales, S4C and Orchard. Jabber with Jess is her curated corner of the internet - a safe space for sharing thoughts, opinions and views. Mark is a personal trainer and founder of 30 Plus Men’s Fitness. His bootcamps are located all over the UK but he also has an online community of members around the world. He has built his brand using social media, podcasts and video content. Here is a link to an article from Francesca which is particularly relevant to what she discussed during the podcast recording: (currently open access in IPPR Progressive Review and featured in the Wiley Politics special issue on the top political research: UK Election 2019):Memes, digital remix culture and (re)mediating British politics and public life: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/newe.12155 Get A ‘Proper’ Job is made by city network Creative Cardiff, with and for, the creative community. This podcast is recorded at the School of Journalism, Media & Culture at Cardiff University. Presented by: Kayleigh Mcleod. Series producer: Vicki Sutton. Studio engineer & editor: Ffion Clarke. Music by: Tic Ashfield.

Hey everyone, this Jason overcome Redman and I cannot tell you how blessed and fortunate. I am to have been born and live here in the United States of America the land of freedom and opportunity and getting out there and achieving the American dream and there is no organization. There is no foundational principle out there greater than the financial industry that helps drive the economy of the United States of America and I am proud proud proud to say that this episode of the overcoming conquer show is sponsored by Sir. Security Traders Association, which is a nonprofit organization comprised of 24 Affiliates across the USA in Canada taking care of individuals who work in the financial industry and I got to tell you not everybody out there is living in these Ivory Towers. 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I want to make you feel good about yourself. That's why I'm here. How do you look the mirror is what I tell you what what what your producer gets you a mirror so you can look at yourself. Holy shit. It's you know, I got to tell you you've been better. Since this happened and we've been on some of the biggest podcast there or and no one there like our producer would never do that. So big special thanks and out and rock your producer for being has amazing and awesome as he is. All right. So are you know, we got some we had some great videos that are coming up. We've had some fun and it's only gonna get better you guys stand by because some of these videos that are coming are pretty hysterical the one that's coming out people are going to see the true you and the true me will get them give them a little sneak peek of what's to come. Yes, so true. So all right. Well, this is going to be an amazing show today. We are going to be talking about as we often do those life ambushes that come along and those those unexpected critical moments that just knock you off your feet and how individuals can overcome and conquer them. So today we're going to talk about a big one. One of our guests is a longtime friend of mine very influential businessman, and we're going to be talking about those setbacks. Acts that come along in your life and it's about it's about getting fired. Yeah, it's something that I think too many people were too familiar with but I think they don't know what to do when that happens the effects that it causes. So I think this is going to be a great episode 2. Just how can Ambush. Yeah, that's like fucking Ambush knocks you off your feet. You're overwhelmed. So yeah, man, we're going to jump right into it today, and I just want to talk to you a little bit about the group. 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So with us is my longtime friend the chairman and president of security Traders Association. Mr. Jim toes Jim is not only devastatingly handsome. He has not only charismatic. He is not only the picture of Awesomeness. He also maintains all of stas relationship with us regulators and Congressional policy makers. He joined SDA in 2011 and I ordered that this is where he brings a wealth of knowledge and experience in this Arena. He was the managing director of Bank of America Merrill Lynch for 18 years and he has over 500 years experience in the Securities industry to welcome to the show Jim Methuselah toes 500 years. Well that that's the most incredible intro I've ever gotten so I am known for my big entrance Jim. And I don't have followed it up. So that thanks so much for having us on the show today. Yeah, welcome to the all become a conqueror Chef Lee presided to have you on this is really a big topic. I mean because there's so many people out there that listen to the show and they're looking for they're looking for that guidance from yeah from the conquer and overcome their looking to be able to get off the X. I just used your thing. Boom. Boom. Thank you and that you know, and you know why this is such a big show for me. This actually happened to me a few years ago. I was let go from a job. I was working with Bob Pittman founder of MTV and James Heckman for Rivals and they had funding cuts and I made it down. The company was from 200 down to I made like the last 40 and you knew it was coming, you know you at least I knew it was coming some people didn't but the emotional trauma that it costs, you know, because it just causes that Whirlwind of just that domino effect of I hate to use this term, but it just never Negativity and shit because it's like, oh my God. What am I going to do? I've got a family to feed. I've got this this and this how many people I did go into a state of depression. Luckily, you know, I surround myself with individuals that helped me get off my ass. I've spoke to Jason about it picked him up like a baby like an infant like a 210 gallon baby. I got him a pacifier and I said we're going to get through this but that's why this is such a Hot Topic because it can happen to anybody whether you're the top of your game, you know, I was making about 200k to making nothing it was like pretty much just getting punched Square in the fucking face pardon my language but it hurt but you know, I adapted overcome I conquered and here I am today with I might wear with it's like I'm mr. Roarke and this is tattoo and we're here for Fantasy Island and we're making it we playin deeply you know, I lost so I was fired from a job. Not quite. Is devastating obviously went a little further in my career. I almost got fired from my Navy career. Obviously many of you know that story but I got fired from a coffee. I was 16 years old and I was a barista in a coffee shop now wasn't the largest coffee shop out there. I'm not going to tell you what coffee shop it was because I'm not going to plug this coffee shop, but they're still out there and I worked in the mall in Boca Raton, Florida and why I got fired is because I flirted with all the women I kept flirting with My manager kept telling me stop flirting with the women you're wasting time just fix the damn coffee. I'm like, yeah Roger that and no I couldn't do it in finally one day me until I was long. I'm flirting away trying to pick somebody up and she promptly gave me the Donald Trump. You're fired. No, it's funny. I think Jason and I'm sorry sir for 20 years and whenever I look at them, I always I always go back to buzz and now You got a grande y Chuckles. Okay. Yeah, I'm a man of many talents. I'm a Renaissance. Oh, oh Christ, you're gonna move on. Please really completely different visual adjacent. Oh, yeah fired twice man. I got fired from Merrill. They hired me back and I guess they like fire me so much. They fired me a second time for use later sticker do it do it twice do it, right? And that's such a common thing you guys industry. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's to comment. But listen listen, these are going to talk about today it is and with obviously we're talking about, you know job loss and trying to help people, you know get recover as quickly as healthy as possible. But you know, that's this isn't as you just take you late. This isn't unique to financial services, but it's happening everywhere technology is pretty highly disruptive type stuff, you know the days of getting out of college and work in 20 years at IBM and retire in those days are gone, right? So, you know, this is just it's happening in financial Straits happening every so that's one of the reasons why it would really happen to be on it today because the message that you have Those you know goes beyond just Financial Services. Yeah, exactly. There's no doubt about it. So let's jump into the show. So obviously with every every single show we've ever had we have the word of the day and today is no different. It's it's pretty critical word. It aligns directly with exactly what the show represents. So instructor care. Yes. You do me the honor. Yes Lieutenant reiben. Okay, the word of the day is perseverance. And obviously resonates hopefully with everyone perseverance is doing something despite difficulty or delay in achieving success now. Mr. Jim. That is the Webster's Dictionary of the word perseverance. What is your definition of the word perseverance what you got sir? Yeah. I'm you know some when when for for our members and really brought it anyone in this kind of going through this type of experience. I think it was the word delay that's in the Nishan because it's often you doing so much work trying to get your act together kind of go on interviews trying to set up meetings and you go on so many that's beings and the actual outcome is that you get a lot of objections and there's a huge dilemma. Sometimes people have to work for it's not uncommon people be out of work 10 months a year and a half before they do land someplace and and that delayed piece was really the reasons why we chose to work for for today. I love it. I mean Were the resonate it should resonate with anybody I was listening to oh, it was the team never quit podcast. I was listening to that the other day and one of the guys that was on there was talking about his uncle was telling him his uncle who was a decorated World War Two veteran whenever anything went wrong or things were hard. It was one of their listeners that wrote in and his I'm sorry grandfather's grandfather was a decorated World War Two veteran whenever things will get hard is Uncle would say, yep. It's going to be Hard when it gets hard, go talk to Percy. He's like what the hell does that mean? Who's Percy? And finally he listened this about three or four times and he asked his grandfather grandfather who's Percy and his grandfather said perseverance on perseverance so know where the hell you're going. But we've got to everybody's got to dig deep and bring that up. So so Jim before we get into perseverance, I kind of had this mindset that the two different mindsets. I got to tell you so one I think there's a lot of Americans out there who think that Wall Street anybody who works on Wall Street anybody that works in the financial industry is just this fat cat rich person who's sitting in their Ivory Tower and everything's perfect and they have all the money and they never think about anything. Nobody else. I mean that is a picture you will see a lot across America and and so you can you know, and you and I are long time friends and I know that describes you to it. I mean, I'm sorry. I know that that is not and then the other the other one is I would I would think that people that work in the industry are incredibly resilient and some people I've met in the industry. They they Think they're incredibly resilient so resilient, I got to tell you my story of this very high level high high high level individual that worked in the industry that I met at a fancy, you know, pinky up dinner fundraiser dinner. I start talking to this guy and and you know, we have small chat for a few minutes and he finds out I was a seal and he looks me dead in the eye and he goes You know, oh God what I do in my industry, it's really no different than what you do in the SEAL Teams. Yes, there's no doubt in my mind. He's like, there's no doubt in my mind. I would have been an amazing. She'll he said because you know the level of risk the level of Courage that I need to do what I do the level of stress I deal with it's no different from what you guys do. And I said, honestly I sat there and I wanted to bust out laughing but I Tell this guy was dead serious lucky I wasn't there. So so Jim my question is if everybody in the industry has that mindset. Why do we need perseverance? Well, they don't have I mean listen I heard there's a lot of first off when we encounter a lot of what you just talked about, you know, and we have a saying in our industry know if I had a dollar in an hour, I would I spend it right when you try and when you got a lot of projects you trying to get done you trying to get a sense from your boss how to prioritize it a good question. You always ask is like if I had an hour and dollar how much time I spend and how much money are we spending on this projects kind of get an idea we encounter that a lot and I got to tell you I don't spend like we Especially down in DC, you know with the politicians down there. They lost. They love kicking us. Like if you're not right face it I got to tell you. I don't I don't spend one minute and I don't spend a penny because you're not going to change the perception that you're not going to change that person's perception of your they already have it. It's ingrained. I've had the time and the effort working with the people who are in the industry, you know, who are just trying to do the job right? Adam said that listen, you know, there are a lot, you know, they're all There are tens of thousands of people who work in the financial services industry then I told Jamie Diamond, they're not all Bernie Madoff there. So many people here are just trying to find to get the job done, you know, their their soccer moms. They were, you know lacrosse coach dads and so on trying to do a job trying to do it right so much already. The street is built on trust as soon as trust leaves the equation things go right down the drain. So so there's a lot of good things going on in this tree is a lot of good people in it and attracts a lot of stuff. People but listen, you know, yeah, we get it we understand reputation that we have out there. A lot of it is our own fault. Not just through the action of high people in high visible positions even people like the one that you face on a one-off and a cocktail party. Where just wanted to use one of your Expressions Jason happen heard one of my peers kind of talk to a veteran like that to use one of your Expressions. I would have choked him out. Yeah so I can write that about that. That would be a significant amount of money to the event that I was at. Yeah, so what you know, so on I like the guy who founded in the early days to fight in World War Two when he came back and started to grow that way. Our veterans all over the place we have. I mean, we always felt safe. Even when I was there that if we had if war broke out between Bolton Saxby would definitely win. We had more guys from I can't watch that war. Oh, yeah. We definitely would have we would have won we would have definitely taken over at all downtown. But you know, listen a lot of military folks work on Financial Services is not an easy transition from military folks going in it is not easy, you know there because obviously the coming in with a lot of use Experience they've had some pussy the driver graduated from one of the academies where they come in and they have a seven-year career or they got dad'll a title, you know of a rank the rank, excuse me coming in and having to compete with you know, younger probes. It's not an easy transition, but it's we just were very happy to have them at I love it. So I got a question for you. I don't why I feel compelled to say mr. Jim to you. I just you kind of give me that that whole no, it's good. But I like to take I like to do a rewind so Things that really I think resonate with the audience's that defining moment. So like for me the defining moment when I created the Cocker mindset, what was the defining moment? And can you remember when you said I am going to start this because you know it was it when you first got fired was it someone that you know or love got fired? I mean, that's a great question. Thank you. Can you get a lot of stuff now? I think where it started for us. So we have like, you know, we have a really big. Tribution list, right? We got around 85,000 folks on the distribution list and what we found what we saw is around four or five years ago that you know, you know, you know, you do these emails so you get like a bounce rate. You know, how many males kick back because email address doesn't work and and what we were seeing at the time we had around 20 thousand folks on the list. What we were seeing was that between you know, January 1st and March 31st at first quarter of the year what that that's usually when a lot of these we hope you call him Rick. Suction and forces when they occur, I would bounce rates on that 20,000 distribution list. We're going up dramatically, you know an additional 2,000 2,500. So when you see like, you know these bounce rates of 2006 having been in the industry haven't been let go twice in my career having to know what it's like to have to go home and tell her she said that hey guess what I lost my job again, you know, you kind of understand, you know, the human toll of what that was you think about else not all Being like but that was really the defining moment. When those bounce rate started seeing in and happened like again like again year after year that first quarter of the year 2000 4000 bounces that you didn't have the last quarter, you know what the result of people getting like? Oh, you know and that's one of the things that I love and that's why I definitely you and I we become friends over the years and when you reached out to me and said, hey, we'd love to do an episode of the show to talk about this, you know at the highest level the greatest people out there understand. You know taking care of yourself and your family is great. But obviously where you get the most value in this life is your ability to give back and help others. I know both Ray and I are being mentored by a businessman bedros keuilian and bedrooms always talks about that. It's always about being grateful for what you have and how you can provide value to somebody else and I think that's what's so amazing about what sta is doing. You guys looked at, you know. Hey, not everybody is that fat cat, you know Ivory Tower Our guy so many people in the financial industry like you talked about their the average everyday American that are trying to take care of themselves yet. They're riding the waves or the financial industry and you guys created an organization to help them and I think that's awesome. And you guys now have taken it a step further with this new initiative specifically to help individuals that have been let go from their jobs, which just like you said can be anybody across the country. So tell me a little bit about that initiative Jim. And also what Ray and I can do to help highlight this and also how we can provide guidance and and some of our Insight on overcoming adversity and conquering and thank you doing these, you know helping people shape their path forward. Yah mule, so I mean when we looked at when we looked at the you know at the whole topic of job loss be kind of broke it down into like three stages, right? It's or stage, you know are the things that we can kind of be doing in that area helping people. Just raise the awareness. Like listen, you may think you know, you may think you're a rock star but there's it. But if you choose this career path, there's a good chance that over the course of your 20 or 30-year career that you're going to be let go and you need to be you know, there are things you can be doing beforehand help you prepare for that making people realize that no matter how good you think you are you can you know losing your job is is often not the incompetence of you it's tends to tends to be sometimes the incompetence of somebody upstairs before fact. Don't raise awareness that this can happen to you and that there are things you can do before hand to kind of help that prepare in case it does happen the second he's obviously is like that at the moment. It happens. You just got called in you got you got the HR person. You got a number, you know, you got a package going in front of you. You went back to the desk. You put your belongings in the desk in a box. Now you're hanging out in the lobby of the building and that's really the area that we're kind of hoping for you, you know where you and Ray can kind of help. But this at is that first 48 hours for lack of a better term that first was the first few days because what we find here is that people in Orange for you got it from that from that punch in the face. You gotta recover quickly. You got to recover quickly time is of the essence when you've lost your job. Unfortunately, one of the best things about our ministry is out of sight out of mind. Yeah, I agree all people will people will bring you in anyone that you know in the industry when Just when you get let go they will date you call them up. They'll bring in and when you get in there, you got to go in there not just like with your you know, your you know, your shoulder shrunk over or whatever. You got a man with a good mindset. You got to you got to go through the recovery quickly and healthy and so you can kind of get out and that's kind of where we needed to help from you for us. We can do it we can do the before and we can do the after the networking events will be provide, you know getting people into the proact. Ciao, you know paying for tickets paying for you know hotel rooms, like will take care of the will take care of the bookends. But really we're we're kind of help if you guys is this the kind of help with that Banks. I just got punched in the face. I lost my job. And how do I you know, what should I be feeling? How should I respond to these feelings? What can I be doing? I want to go back for one second Jim because I that was an awesome point. So you were saying that one of the things that's TA in this new star program does is you can help with Logistics? To get them back out there for interviews and things like that. Oh, yeah the networking events. We have a network. So those 20 of those 20th police did their events constant going on around the country while biggest one is going to be coming up in DC and and be you know, listen, when is that sir? It was October 2 3 4 in DC and we've always people have always done this right our industry like, you know, someone if someone is out of work and they call up someone having an event and say hey, I'm out of work and I come Well, it's not a person is going to say yes. Alright, I hope to do if someone's doing an event and the thinking about Hey, listen, maybe we should be thinking about 10 folks read a work a anybody know anyone right but with this effort goes is just more. It's more of an Outreach is more proactive. It's glass and something out there, you know, you know trying to get some names and let making people more aware of what's going on on the networking events are really important in the really important now, I love it and I tell you Where I see this going and because believe me when I got like a my wife and I actually knew it was coming but true story when when they actually let me go is up in New York. I was mr. Pittman's office. I stayed in New York for a day and a half barely had any Communications which Russia because even though I knew it was coming. I just I literally felt like someone took my manhood from me. I felt helpless and like luckily. I didn't go to the bar. I didn't do that. But I tell you I was you know, I used back in our day. We used to drink a lot. I was really contemplating doing some going back to some of my old ways with some stupid shit and what I love about what you're doing is is what I would love to do is, you know, get to these these events that you're doing get up on stage and tell people one you're not alone to what I think makes it. So so good is when they see people who were doing pretty good for yourself. I have to say that but you know guys, listen I've been on the top. I've been on the bottom. Guess what I dug my way back up to the top again and so can you especially with People like you giving them the resources that you need because I'm gonna tell you this right now. Mr. Jim fucking nobody. I know I cuss nobody helped me do anything. I mean, I was literally in tears in a hotel room and I'm not embarrassed to say thinking holy shit. What am I going to do? Because this is like because my boss sighs. Let me go like a couple weeks before Christmas. That's that's great, you know on top of everything but I just said, you know what I've been through worse. I can do this and I had the support of my My family, but some people don't have support from anyone and that's what it's so great. I mean you are the American Icon. What I think is, you know, the boss man trying to help people who need help. I love it. I love what you're doing and it's such a you know, because often times in life and especially when life ambushes occur, you know, I talked about how people one denial is usually the first thing that occurs we don't want to admit this situation is happening because it's uncomfortable. It sucks. It's People were thinking about the future this uncertain future. So like Ray said so many people start to self-medicate when something like this happens. You know why I'm going to bury my sorrows. I'm going to go to the bar or I'm going to do other unhealthy behaviors just so I don't have to deal with this right now. The second thing is avoidance. They don't want to tell their spouse. They don't want to tell their friends oftentimes a mob scene it where people that have lost their job. They still get up in the morning and act like they're going to work with their spouse because they don't want to admit to their spouse. They lost their job. Hoping that they can find another job. In the meantime. I've heard of this before. Yeah or four months exactly until like they've had Savings in the wife just didn't know I've had there's nothing less crazy and what you guys are doing is so awesome because it's so you know, you need to be getting out there networking. You need to be getting out there and getting your name out, but oftentimes you don't have the money you're so afraid of dwindling your resource. It's like wow, there's a big opportunity at an event in Washington D.C. Per se and maybe they live in New York and you're like, man. Just I can't afford a hotel. I can't you know, I can't afford even to drive there would be too much for me and I don't want to sleep in my car. I mean that is a huge huge thing for you guys to provide that crazy man. So when I when I got when I gotta let go the first time I did have a heads-up on at around two weeks heads up but nothing can really prepare you for when you go through it right until you go through it the second time. I didn't see a comment. The second of recovery the second time. I'm not making this up. I was in the lobby already on the phone making making calls. Like I just it was you know you that's what I'm talking about. Like even though this even though the first time I had like a two weeks heads up like tozi. This is going to happen. This is going down, you know try to get some of your things together, you know, blah blah blah, even though I had that two week window I did I took it took me a while to recover me and you got to go through the whole thing of You know you find out that you got let go but Johnny didn't white, you know, what happened Johnny kept his job and I didn't and then you know, the embarrassment party got to start telling people it's but you got to you got to go through it, you know, you got to do it. I think the second time why do we have to recover so quickly was real it or not? I let myself feel bad. Like I let myself feel bad for like 24 or 48 hours and said, you know, okay. I'm going to feel really bad about this and I want to wake up on Thursday morning and I got a I'm going forward, you know, that's that's mindset 101 right there. You can either let it again. I'm going to I'm not going to just try to use my thing Overcomer, you know, it can overcome you it can start to use yours and that that term or you know, or you can conquer it and this is the thing like I used to do is I used to focus too much and Americans are guilty of this we focus too much on the setbacks and we're not focusing on The Comebacks. Yeah the future The Comebacks that's so that's Tell people because I've had some few people few people that have lost their jobs and it wasn't their fault. It was due to things that were out of their realm and I said guys listen, it's mindset. You are focusing on the wrong thing. You're focusing on the now and what happened you need to start thinking and focusing on that that come back, you know, everything my wife says this and I cannot stand it. She says everything happens for a reason and until about a year ago when I met bade Roos and we started doing this when she used to do that. I throw my hands up in the air and go you know, what? Not to her face because she kill me you're full of shit woman. Hope edit that out Ryan, but I've come to the realization. I've come to the realization that she's right. You know, I have been I got let go from that job and it was a great job, but I've done better since then, you know, I've met more contact since then Jason I run in the podcast we're reaching out to people and the message that I love that you're saying is a stop focusing on the setback. Okay. This is a setback in life. It's not you know. Let this lead to depression drugs suicide got divorce instead, you know regroup refocus re-attack, right analyze assess execute. We talked about that the a step process in a kill house situation. This is a battle and that's all you're doing. You have to analyze assess and execute success and Perfection. You're on the X in that moment. I mean that's what's happened. You have sustained a life Ambush. I mean it's defined as a life Ambush, which is an unexpected event that totally changes. Your path and you know physical mental or emotional scars that's definitely going to leave and in this case Financial scars. We can throw that in there and you know, but so many people in these life ambushes, they hunker down they focus on the pain they focus on oh why me like Jim you talked about you know, why did Billy wise Billy still here? And I and I got let go, you know, we were the same it none of that matters. I got to tell you one of the biggest things you need to understand. Any kind of Life Ambush and specifically this situation the Y and and placing blame on other people whether it's your boss people around you angry. None of that will fix the situation. None of it. As a matter of fact, it is a wasted emotion. You are wasting time and time is critical now the like you said Jim there is a little bit of a grieving process. I love what you talked about that you took, you know, basically 36 to 48 Hours instead. I'm going to feel sorry for myself for about You know this amount of time and then I'm getting off the X and I'm going and an ambush is no different. I mean we get in an enemy Ambush, you know, you get hit you're overwhelmed potential you have teammates or friends that are injured, but you do not have time to sit there and feel sorry for yourself or feel sorry for your teammates. What you've got to do is look forward persevere persevere. There it is. Yeah. Look at the producer I went in. Yeah, so yeah, but so many people are tied to This is one of the big things and I was guilty of this. Also. We are taught our identity gets so closely tied to what we do for a living. I watch it with law enforcement. I watch it with police definitely in the military and even in any industry if you've been in a long time and you've been cess successful at it, you know, you are that you are a Wall Street broker you are a financial advisor. You are in our case a Navy SEAL. So when I almost got myself kicked out of the SEAL Teams, my identity was so closely. Wrapped around wearing that trident that I contemplated killing myself because I had convinced myself. It was the end but one of the biggest things you need to understand when something catastrophic like that happens is so often it becomes a launch point for A New Path a new beginning and as long as you can get off the X and look to the Future and that's what people need to understand. They're out there if you lost your job and you think you're so tightly tightly chained to whatever. Robber industry you have that's not you. You are the composite of everything that makes you who you are your leadership your experience your abilities. That is what's going to get you another job get off the X and go find that new job man. Hey, this is Ray cash care and this episode of the overcoming conquer show has been sponsored by security Traders dot-org star will leverage its established network using their resources and values to raise awareness on the needs of these individuals while providing useful resources services. has Some of the greatest advice my grandfather gave me before he died as he says if you're not dead you're alive and I didn't understand what that meant. And literally, you know, he just never told me until I realized that unless you're six feet under it's a fight and we're in it, you know, never give up and that doesn't matter if you're a Navy SEAL if you're a businessman if you're a stay-at-home mom get up and F and fight, you know shell-shocked even when we I've been rocketed before I boy. I know you've been you know, I'm sure you have to it doesn't matter what that income. Fire is when you get rocked, you know, you took a little you got luckily you had 24 to 48 hours sometimes in the real world, depending on what's Happening. You don't have that kind of time. You got it. You gotta you know, I've got fillings knocked out if you gotta get up and you gotta get going and that's what I love and that's why I'm so interested to hear more about this event that you have in October, which is right around the corner. Yeah, we can you talk to us about that. Oh, yeah. I mean the event the event is we just had our and actually actually They spoke at it a couple times right spoke out at once and you doing the wounded we're at the time. Yeah, absolutely guess my so I Miss Annie of the event the event is is listen. I don't want I personally think it's the best conference in our industry, but that's you know, I'm not exactly impartial on that because it is this is the best podcast. Yeah then because it is in the world, you know, but listen, you know, like what's the thing that the strength of the organization here is the City in in Juneau geography right, you know, we're in a lot of cities in Chicago San Fran up in Canada, but there's also diversity in the business model that of the firm's who attend the event right? So most most trade associations. They tend to be like, you know permit Association for you know, the Flower Company, you know or an association for a particular thing. This is and when you look within the financial services industry, you have exchanges broker-dealers vendors. Customer types of all kind and they do come together to kind of just talk about what's going on in the market structure what's going on, you know in in ETS versus options versus Equity. So provides a really great networking opportunity for you to if you had a work to meet people who are in your industry, whether it's you know particular area or to give you an opportunity to meet other people in other areas that are still within that Financial Services industry world that they can meet and it also is a great educational opportunity. No, you don't you talked about, you know, we talked about no one no one helped you write staying in touch with information is really important. When you're in this when you're in this window, especially if it goes on for six to you know, an extended period of time like, you know, staying in staying in tune on what companies are growing which ones are closing down and movement of people, you know, it's really important and that's one of the areas that we're looking to obviously address at the kind of when you're out of work. You're going to get an email from Saying hey, sorry to hear about you know, what happened. Listen, here's the package. Here's a list of things you can kind of sign up for free to be able to kind of secure for you. You can kind of stay in touch with what's going on in the industry. And by the way, we got you know, we got 23 tickets for this conference 10 for this one sign up form and and come on in and network. Got it, you know, so Jim I want to touch upon a little bit of a in the military we have Have something called immediate action drill. So we trained for crisis situations. I tell you what, you know Ray and I both are fortunate enough to have work with some of the best Special Operations forces and the US Military and even in the world and I really don't think anyone does a better job than the shield teams and trying to come up with worst-case scenarios and what we immediately react what we immediately take action on when these things happen and I try and tell people they need to do the same thing in life. There are three critical Things that you need to implement to be ready for these unexpected life Ambush crisis moments in your life. Number one is an overcome mindset of conquer mindset to have that perseverance to have this mindset right from the beginning. It doesn't matter what happens. I'm going to drive forward. I'm not going to focus on the negativity. I'm going to focus on the positivity number two is training and preparation. So you guys are trying to provide that and it's just thinking of head of you know, God forbid. I lost my job or God forbid something happened within my family, but what are the steps I would take and then number three is balanced taking care of yourself so that you know, you have some money in savings physically you're taking care of yourself. You got a good relationship. You got a good Network to help you. So so that overcome mindset training and preparation and balance. So Jim if they had those things in place, what do they do? What is their immediate action drill if right now someone is listening to this and and they're like, oh my God, this is the most fortuitous things because I was laid off. What do I do now? What's the process? Yeah. Well, I mean one of them is I think you got to hopefully you have someone in your life as we call them like, you know your first call right and to find that person right is obviously used to reach out and that relationship, you know, you here in career development hear a lot about you know, you got to get a mentor you got to get a sponsor someone to kind of help you with your career within the firm, but I don't think there's enough focus on you know that person outside the firm that relationship that you have. You should first of all, you know in my situation it was kind of bizarre. Like he was my wife's uncle, you know, you would think like I just get like go I told the wife you think okay, you know, who's the first call it was my wife's uncle, you know, it was just he was just that type of person at that, you know, he was close but not too close. He that offers some real practical Sound Advice, you know, you've been walking the shoes himself and had been on the other side. So I think that's the first thing is like, you know, I think that you got to Find like that person, you know could and you know that first person you want to be talking to about you know, talking things through bouncing ideas or not. The person is actually going to give you like definitive advice. I call you got to call up Joe Blow. Are you retiring? There's someone you can kind of talk to and get information somewhere to kind of keep you from, you know from walking off the edge on I love it. You know what I love two things. I'm gonna I'm gonna hit you up with a questionnaires. I love your passion. Actually you see Jason and I were like typing on the computer and I literally just wrote I've never done this before. I just wrote I swear to God. I'm going to he wrote. I love you Jason. I said it'll weird it feels a little awkward and he was rubbing my me under the tip not kill. I wrote I wrote I wrote seriously Road, he's good because he's so passionate. I literally wrote that because some people say it and some people mean it does that make sense to you and I love you. And I mean literally I and I think you know, this should be the first call for the financial interest to anybody that's done this in the financial industry. They need to Be contacting you in some way shape or form because I tell you what, I'm getting ready and Jason knows this to switch from one occupation to the next and if it doesn't work out, I mean, I'm not gonna lie to you. I would probably call you because I have a lot of skill sets but my resources could be I mean, even though I have a big Network could be still Limited in the that industry. So I think this is just so fantastic, but I could probably think of People that should have called you in the past and I wish the hell I would have known about this because I think we could have really got some people back on the right track a lot faster. And so, you know, I'm a businessman. I lost my job. How do I contact you? I know I know we do that at the end. But like right now I've lost my job. I'm up in New York City. I'm thinking some horrible things because this is what I actually did when this happened to me. How do I contact you? Jim right now. Well, I'm just a man. I'm on Twitter. You know, Jim toes you can email it said you know, you can email us a test. You know, Jim jatos at security Traders dot-org you can be I mean this is you know, Mom I'm out there. I'm not your mom Amanda the best way to get me obviously is always to Twitter LinkedIn or directly through and you know, but I guess I'm really glad you kind of did you touched on that you really you can bet the sincerity is coming through on this thing, you know in our industry, you know. We get there's so much selling that goes on in our industry man. I mean every someone's always coming in trying to sell you a mousetrap. Yes, and sometimes and when people don't have skin in the game where people don't have some type of real, you know passion or something about whatever it is that they you can smell it. You can just you can tell right away like you're being sold as opposed to like. Wow this guy. I mean, I like what this guy has but he frickin believes in it. Yes woman she Leaves and whatever she's doing here and you got respect because that that does you know, man, I mean, you know, you got a skin in the game. It's going to get to the hustle hustle overcomes a lot of other things that they try to overcome. Yeah, I love it passion passion outweighs a lot of things. I was never the best at anything in the world, you know that you've worked with me for years, but I've always had passion about things that I believed in, you know, Family Fitness finance and Faith are my their my f bombs that I believe in and finance is one of them, but you know you You take away that money that causes like we talked about that domino effect with a lot of things that can cause marriage issues. I mean, there's there's families that I've seen men have lost their jobs their wife have up and left them before they've even had time to recover. I mean that's that's the you know, and as a man, I mean obviously, you know, you have hunter gatherer and ladies. I'm not I know the world has changed, but when you when you lose your job and I'm only speaking for me I felt like my manhood was taken from me. I doubted my abilities. And this is as being a Navy SEAL, you know, I've accomplished a lot. We have accomplished a lot and then all of a sudden it's like holy shit is my wife going to leave me. Am I going to go? You know, I'm walking by a bar wondering if I'm going to go crawl into a bottle. You know, I've had a bad past with some things on my God. Am I going to start doing this this and this and literally it was the mindset of being the CEO and the childhood of our went. Okay, snap the F out of this you've been through worse and we have I got goosebumps right now, and because I know There's a lot of people and I hate to say this that art is mentally strong as us. They just not that this was shits. They build up they have it and that's what I love about what we're doing this message because I would love to come to one of your seminars and just get out there and say listen, you know and tell them I've been here, you know, they're like, wait a minute you've been in TV but in movies, I've also been out of work and wondering where my Nest next paycheck is going to come and wondering if my effing wife is going to leave me and take my kids. From me which she would never do. Thank God love you. And but yeah, I'm not really I'm getting emotional right now because I can remember this this happened in 2013. And I remember right now. I mean like it was yesterday. I can remember how I felt Jim, you know social basically two things. I have to question 1, so how do they become members of your organization? Because obviously it sounds like there's a lot of people There that maybe that life Ambush hasn't come that firing hasn't come but I got news for you people. It could come for anybody. You may think you're the height of your game that you know, there's a merger there's an acquisition something's out there. There's a shift in the market that suddenly, you know, you maybe, you know, king King Kong and in the financial industry in the next thing, you know, you're you know, you're losing your job. So how did they join so they have your reason so proud that, you know as far as like what we're doing here with this. this So so first of all our members, our members are individuals right most trade associations. They tend the relationship tends to be with the company, right? So, you know, I'm a trade Association and my client is Wells Fargo the bank. Okay. So we're different in the sense that we're Wells Fargo is not our client, you know the car, you know, our member or member is you know, Jimmy Jones who make it work for Wells Fargo. Okay, right so it's an Which will tighten these are individual type members. Okay now for something like this, yeah. Guess what like yeah, you know, you become a member of sta. You paid a small members should be pay a membership. Do you get some you know news, you know dedicated newsletters you get discounts on on the conference tickets, but we but for something like this listen, you know, you work in the financial services industry member no member Like you're eligible to be putting your name in to be considered for these conferences. You can sign up for the newsletter is like it's like that that's kind of, you know, when I look into just make this a members-only type of an offering. Yeah big that we want, you know, we just want to, you know, create it, you know play a leadership role in addressing this thing and, you know, try to create a rising tide to get other firms dude similar. So that's amazing. So basically you're saying you don't even have to be a member if you Your job and you're in the financial industry they could reach out to you and your star program will try and help place them and yeah them into the no way in so many ways. We're not going to be we can't be doing job placement, right? We can't do things like job like again. The one thing we like to do is like, you know, what can we do with the resources that we have available to us? Okay, we have like I said a big distribution list, you push out a lot of information Jim Jim. I mean, come on. Give me a break. I mean if you believe if you believe everything you see in the news the well industry has unlimited resources. Yeah, you guys just Yeah, we had a one-out aware of any of any organized efforts like to this extreme going on within within the financial services. You know, like I said before I mean this doesn't mean that people are trying to help each other out, you know, we've all kind of walked in these shoes and someone loses their job and they would call up somebody and you know, like I said, he looking for a ticket to a networking event trying to get on a distribution list of some research reports like that that goes on out there, but but I think you know, we're trying to try to do a couple things with the effort as far as As being a leadership in the industry one is just talking about it taking the stigma about compensation. Everyone's we've all gone through this we've all you know gone through losing our job. It's on the server reflection on your ability who you are as a person. So one is you may want to just be talking about it louder than other people and other associations are talking about it just to kind of get the stigma taken away from it, but we really wanted encourage other organizations, like listen just do something with the resources you have available to you. And I really desperately looking for you to go out and do something, you know crazy, but you know, what do you have laying around? You know, we have laying around the house, but you can kind of do they help these people that are in your industry that are there in between jobs right now. I love it. I got a question for you. And I know you probably don't keep numbers but I am like a statistics nut. I like your average person makes 17,000 decisions a day. But blah how many people do you think you've helped since you started just I mean I don't you know, we could get into a personal story. If you would how many people or get me a story shit. I'd love a story. I mean how many people have you helped roughly and give us a great story of someone that you've helped and how the hell made you feel shit. Yes. Yeah, you know, it's funny because like we always say what a people and in particular members, you know, like they you know, they like facts and they like stories. Those are the two that whenever whenever someone comes and they go and do a presentation at any of our events and they say, okay. Well, what do you want to hear all this? They want to have a couple of facts and they want to hear personal stories. Okay, so that's one thing right? So our members do like you don't I don't have like I don't have like a spreadsheet that says, oh, you know we did, you know last year at last year's DC conference. I know we had you know, we had so many people attend last year right? I know how many were out of work because I just know but I don't you know as far as and some of those people as far as like tracking them after the fact Like okay, where are they now? You know are they somewhere else would be able to find a job and was able to find a job because of that attending the conference that we kind of complim the ticket on we don't have stats around that but I would I can tell you that that we wouldn't be doing this if we didn't have like listen as Traders, we all form a Traders most of us a lot of the stuff that we do we kind of go on Duck, you know, it's gut facts and you know, we think we think that people come to these events. We hear chatter people. Having conversations and they had to work and they get a job. They also they pop up somewhere else, you know for five and you know, I mean, I guess if we had to you know that as question we can find out if it happened at the event, but we know it's there. We know it's we know we know the values there and maybe we should do a better job of tracking it yet. I tell you what though. I mean what you guys are doing I guarantee there's a ton a shit ton of people that are out there right now listen to this. Oh that are in other Industries, you know and they're like damn. I wish I had something on this industry. I lost my job five years ago and it took me, you know six months and I couldn't afford to go to some of the networking event. So I'm really impressive what you what you guys have built where do people go to find out more info Jim give it to us just come right to the website man. Yeah, we'll get listen. So this is this this is coming out in September. So we're going to make the announcement on this at the conference in October. So So they'll be coming out, you know, they'll be on the website security Traders dot-org security Traders dot-org it'll be there and be called the star program. Hopefully by then. We got a logo. I hate, you know, I valongo done by then and we'll have a little more of a business plan put together. But like I said, we feel pretty good as as you know, originally we were thinking about launching this thing in January, but given when we kind of tested when we kind of sent out that newsletter day that I sent you that you know with Denzel Washington just based on that response. We like we got to push this up. We got we got to push this up. We got to be fully ready to go. You know, when that first quarter twenty twenty cups. Wait, you got Denzel Washington involved with this. That's also why I will tell you this and I have actually never said I've never said this on any of our podcast. I haven't yet and I'm being serious here if you ever and I'm a man of my word and I'll tell you he'll jail tell you that if you ever need me to come up and Speak at any of these things. I would be happy to do it on my own dime just to come up there and because I love what you're doing and I wish the hell I would have known about you, even though I did bounce back pretty quickly. Just knowing that I had some sort of. Support element there to help me guide me educate me to what I needed to do with the next steps where because I'm telling you man, when when it happened to me, I was like a deer in the headlights. I was like, holy shit and I knew it was coming for three months. Yeah. I knew it was coming. Just imagine. I mean, I know there are people out there that are just getting their Walking Papers boom. So if you ever need me, I can't speak for Jay. I know he will because he's done it before I would love to come up there and just what you are going to be helping them you're going to because the whole idea with this. Is that is okay such and such firm has layoffs as layoffs on Tuesday. The goal here is that by Wednesday? We have somewhat of a list of the names of the folks who got let go and we have somewhat of a list of their personal emails and that night with Thursday. They are going to get an email from the STA with with the link to this video to the overcome and Conquer show. Kind of cops and by and by the way men somehow when the reasons why we the show is so important isn't just this podcast. It's the ones you guys have done before and on all those other words. So here that that right. So I just got let go on Monday and I got an email. How did this guy even get my personal email and you know with with a link to this thing a letter and then here's a list of some Services you can not stay up here are some news outlets. You can kind of see For that we've been able to secure some six-month complementary types things. You can kind of stay in tune with the marketplace. You can kind of get something that is helping you deal with this first 48 Hours one week of mess that you're going through and then and then something longer term with the networking events. So you aren't you are we help but look, if you want to come up on your own dime, we can do that to hell. Yeah. Yeah, we're will get back off to New York mirror. So All right. We'll listen if for those of you that are out there if you are maybe right now you were in that life Ambush, you have been let go from your job and specifically from the financial industry. I wish I wish that you know SDA had a program for everybody out there. But like Jim said, you know, you know the stuff you see on TV is not true. There's only limited resources and obviously sta as focused on the financial industry and how they can help those individuals. Within that industry. So right now if you were in the financial industry, you have been laid off and you know, you're sitting on the X feeling. Sorry for yourself. This is an amazing organization that can help get you back in the fight back taking care of your family taking care of yourself and really the launch that new beginning to become the best person you can be it is about it is about overcoming it is about conquering it is about the word of the day having that perseverance. So as With every overcoming conquers show. We are going to wrap up with our two minutes of motivation and Jim do you want do you want to start and just talk about what perseverance means you are message to anyone out there where they're at. You've been through it man. You've been laid off twice and then ready not ready and I'll pick it up to wrap up the show now. So I just want to as I just want to thank you for having us today on the show today ma'am honored you guys have created the great young brand with the old. Command & Conquer, you know show and and it's not lost on me that you willingness to put our logo next to yours that that really means a lot to us and we greatly appreciated and again, you know, just thank you for your service to the country and what you done before we even were you doing today? These these things matter, you know, you can sit sometimes it's tough for you don't you know we go out with things and you also not a newsletter that affects thousands of people and sometimes you don't know if you're if you're touching people if you're making it for making a difference. You know you guys are you guys are and I thank you for that. Amen. Amen. You want it? I'll take it guys listen up perseverance where the day listen if you're not dead you're alive hard times you're going to come hard times are going to go hard men and women are going to stay longer though. What does that mean? It means be strong mentally physically emotionally. Alright, even socially focus on those four f-bombs Family Fitness finance and Faith. All right, if you need help, you're not alone. All right, we've all been there even even the people that are the most successful. So that you've seen or you know in life. I promise you have failed and failed and failed, but they have not quit. So do not quit on yourself. And I promise you as long as I have air in my lungs and Jason is running this podcast. We will not quit on you either. I love it man. I was great perseverance. I agree 1,000% with Ray. It's a mindset guys. Those ambushes are coming. So many people they just knock us off our feet. They knocked the wind out of us were struggling to breathe. We're struggling to figure out where to go. But perseverance means exactly that persevere. I'm going to drive forward. I'm going to figure out a way and so often when these things happen, we think it is the end. There's no way we can drive forward. Oh my God, how could this have happened to me? My wife's going to leave me. I'm gonna lose my house. I'm gonna lose whatever stop focusing on the negativity stop focusing on the things that you cannot fix. You've got to look to the Future. It is a new beginning it is going to be hard stopped. Yourself and think that there's going to be this instant solution. It's going to take grinding. It's going to take driving forward. It's going to take perseverance, but that is what's going to launch that new beginning and a huge shout-out to SDA with their star program to help those in the financial industry to forge that to know that they have this resource. So your perseverance a lot of you changing lives one person at a time. I love what you're doing sir. I absolutely love it Jim. Hey, brother. Thanks. Thanks for your friend. Thank you. Thanks for having thanks for being on the overcoming conquer show and just an honor man. So this has been another episode of the overcoming conquer show. I am Jason overcome Redmond, and I'm Ray cash care, and we are out boom. Thanks for listening to the overcome and Conquer show tune in next time and please remember to subscribe on iTunes, please visit overcome and conquer.com. Hey, this is Jason overcome Redmond. And this amazing episode of the overcome and Conquer show has been brought to you by security Traders Association and their Amazing Star program, which is helping individuals from the financial industry that have been let go have the resources. They need to get back out there into the job market making a difference and going forward with their lives. If you're in the financial industry and want to learn more about security Traders Association go to. Purity Traders dot-org once again security Traders dot or Purity Traders dot-org once again security Traders dot or

Almost everyone out there has experienced that unexpected moment where you go to work and unexpectedly get let go. You leave feeling, rejected, and overwhelmed. In this dynamic and fast moving economy people are changing jobs, voluntarily or involuntarily, more than ever. Episode 28 is exactly about this one thing. How do we Overcome and Conquer when we get hit with the “You’re FIRED” bat! Both Jay and Ray talk about moments they have been fired and then interview President and CEO of Security Traders Association, a great non-profit organization focused on helping individuals who work in the financial industry which has one of the highest turnover rates out there. In typical Jay and Ray style we bring the humor as we talk about this serious subject of driving forward after job loss and address the word of the day – RECOVER – How everyone out there can move forward and reinvent themselves after that disheartening moment of receiving a pink slip. Jay and Ray go on to talk with Jim about the great things STA is doing in this area with the resources available to individuals in the finance industry in the hopes that other associations & firms do the something as well with whatever resources are available to them. Learn more about STA and their STAR program at  https://securitytraders.org/

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And I think it's a it's a quite a buzz right now with the training community and has been for quite some time. It's high intensity interval training. High intensity training and we call Sprint interval training and all of these things are means of very high intensity work that produces excellent results. And today. I've got a PowerPoint pulled up that the content with a lot was provided from a mentor of mine and he was my dissertation chair when I was working on my dissertation. His name is dr. Brian OD and he helped me out. Out a lot during school and he helped me out with this presentation. So put together some wonderful things. So let's talk about what are the differences from some of these things that we keep talking about because high intensity interval training might be different and have different applications and different names. So there is this high intensity interval training or high intensity training which usually is including things like strength training not limited to it. There's high intensity functional training and that could be a lot like I think CrossFit or high rocks and different Jim Jones things like that. It could be high intensity functional training. They have resistance training, but there are a lot of other components that may go into it and then there's high intensity tactical training and that's pretty similar to the functional training high intensity functional training, but it's military specific high intensity interval training and it's going to be about 80 to 95 percent of your max heart rate. As well as some pretty that's pretty intense as a lot of work right getting your heart rate up there and your rest is going to either be equal or it's going to be longer and that's that's you know other things like Tabata we see as certainly the rest time is actually shorter, but here we're looking at work to rest ratios like 1 2 1 1 2 2 1 2 3 4 high intensity training and then there's Sprint interval training. Sprint interval training is all out go for it. You're going as hard as you can as fast as you can and that work to rest ratio is going to be totally different because what we're trying to do is maintain both intensity and output and when you get to some of the high intensity interval training and they have very little rest their outputs often times are terrible but their intensity Remains high high when we look at Sprint Center oval training we want those Sprint outputs to maintain its elevation. Why because we want to practice getting faster at what we're doing. So when we look at that that Sprint training is going to require some times a 1 to 8 work ratio, and there are a lot of researchers out there that think one to eight work to rest ratio is actually too little and we need a lot more Rest and you know, they might be looking on a 1 to 10 or 1 to 12 problem is how much time you got in your day, right? Like you can only do so much stuff if you're waiting around for that long, but I will say this we'll get to some of the research and the research does show work to rest ratio and Sprint interval training where it's like a 30-second on and and then it's a four-minute off and it's still shorter than a traditional work out and those outcomes are pretty spectacular. So looking forward to getting to that stuff and talking to you about it. But why do we add this high intensity the speed into our workouts? Well, it's time right like a lot of time we get a lot of stuff done. It's effective and how it does the results are there when it comes to both health and performance and it provides variety you got stuff to do things that are different and then one thing also to point out that I think is important. Is that it's relatively safe. And in our minds we first think man you start to go fast with things. It's about to get crazy. We're going to increase the chance of someone getting hurt. They say if you do things properly and you crease your warm up and you make sure that you're doing things appropriately then and that warm up being about 5 to 10 minutes cool down looking to be about the same. Generally these things can last between 20 and 30 minutes. They can go up to like 60 minutes if you've got that but but generally the high intensity and Sprint interval training workouts 20 30 minutes. The idea is you're trying to get your heart rate up really high and during the rest you want your insulin. Remember that heart rate is between 80 and 95 percent of your max heart rate. So what's your rest will really your rest you're trying to get down to about 40 to 50 percent of your max heart rate and then your optimal work to rest interval for high intensity interval training. You mean like a like a Two one two three. Now when people are doing a lot of times they do classes. They don't provide those and that's not optimizing the the high intensity and I will say this I don't have any research pulled up right now about for people who just go and go high intensity for as long as they can but the whole point of high intensity interval training is that they are intervals so that work to rest interval being 1 to 2. It doesn't mean that let's say that you're doing a t second work and then you're going to take a break for for 60 seconds. It doesn't mean that you just sit there. You can actually did that this morning with one of my clients. We did 30 seconds high intensity work and gave him 60 seconds off to recover so that he could accomplish the next 30 seconds that we're going to be high intensity and the same exercise he was doing before so he was getting more and more tired as we did and we ran through four sets of that. So you have to identify what that looks like, but could I have Then do something else. Yeah, I could have had him do some stuff his heart rates still lowered down, but he could have been doing some you know, lower intensity leg exercises like single leg balance, or you could have been doing some excursions. He could have been doing some leg swings something like that to keep him working but still it's compared to Shorter program it still shorter and still shorter and it makes it easier for some people to fit it into their schedule, you know, you can be doing this one, too. Four times a week just depends on the goals, but we've got some research from Martin at all in 2008 says it six-week phases results get to be seen within the first two weeks. For high intensity interval training you're looking at at Weight Loss goals and that can be very positive when regarding feedback from your clients when when they're starting to see some results. So what are the benefits high intensity interval training? Well, it's time efficient their benefits for your Fitness and for your health aerobic and anaerobic performance improvements in the fat or beta acid oxidation. We got Improvement in blood flow blood pressure cardio respiratory health cholesterol cholesterol profiles abdominal fat body weight hormone response has glucose sensitivity and we're looking at and and Epoch which is that excess post-exercise oxygen consumption and I just want to pump the brakes on that for a minute. That is good information. But it looks better on paper as dr. OD says he says it's a and it's true. It sounds really good that you're going to burn more energy post workout. But the amount of calories that get metabolized post-workout look better on paper. They really aren't that elevated. So don't depend on Epoch for the weight loss that you're going to be able to maintain that after burn for an incredible long period of time and be able to get a lot of calories post exercise anyway. Sprint interval training moving on it's going to be shorter duration workloads and all-out effort. It's all I have you got to you got to get this is 100% go and it's different from more unconventional high-intensity things just because of that. So it's that super Max and the durations are going to be shorter, and the rest is going to be longer and I have a friend of mine when I did a project with technogym at their showroom in New York City, and I brought a A friend of mine and she does a lot of high-intensity interval training and I had her be my my model on the treadmill when we were doing the the skill run that they had over there and she did her her intensity, right? So she was going 30 seconds on had four minutes off and she's an incredible shape. She was dying at the all-out Sprint, but she did it all out and by the time first four minutes, it didn't seem like really a big deal second four minutes. You know, it took her a little bit longer to get our heart rate down third formant as she was struggling and then she had her fourth round to do and at the end of her fourth you would judge issued which was kept lying down on the ground. He was so tired. I'm not saying this because this is we want to push or people so hard but She's spit enough that she could push herself that hard and that's what her all-out effort looks like. So so I've done it before I've had other people do it. It's a lot of work and then when I asked her about it, but she thought she was like man that was hard. It was terrible and it was amazing at the same time and that some of the research that I've been getting back from that I found even with cardiovascular patients so patients with coronary artery disease that do high intensity interval training you would think. Think that that would be not so good for them and yet the research showed incredible benefits from it and not only that when they were asked what they thought versus this moderate-intensity continuous training what they thought and they liked the the high intensity interval training more. They said was harder it was more difficult, but they felt more accomplished afterwards and that they when they were asked what they would like to do again, then they majority of the people said that they wanted to do the The high-intensity training again. So, you know, I thought that was very interesting and then we have similar benefits from Sprint interval training when you put this together and you're looking at increasing your VO2 max and your endurance your Peak power anaerobic threshold, of course burning calories before and after a workout, which is that Epoch and then the cardio metabolic health benefits so muscle muscle oxidative capacity insulin sensitivity those kind of things become very beneficial so Now with that said let's get into the research. Here we go. What we're looking at for shorter Sprint interval training bouts and they target this peak power generation. So what is the most amount of power that you can generate and increase your exercise energy expenditure without compromising your post exercise energy expenditure. So we're going to look at things like you can do shorter and longer bouts, but you can do a 30-second on and four minutes off. So it's 240 seconds off. So 30 seconds on four minutes off and think about doing four rounds of that four rounds of that. So by the end of it you're less than 20 minutes and that work out. And you're 16 minutes of resting and you're only two minutes, right? You're only two minutes of actual exercising during that time, but it's all-out effort. You can do shorter and go 15 seconds on and a hundred twenty seconds office has two minutes off. You can go five seconds on and 40 seconds off you do that and get 24 of those. So 24 times should be doing five seconds on and for 40 seconds off. And this is done by Islam at all. The research either is that 2017 but that together Townsend at all 2017 shorter work bouts may also be more physiologically appealing giving their ability to improve exercise related parameters such as affect self-efficacy and enjoyment that goes back to what I was talking about with the coronary artery group studies also show that we're going to compare similar work equivalence. So the kilojoules per Our training session using high intensity versus moderate-intensity continuous protocols that the results for body fat and fat loss and abdominal fat loss or very similar, but the change was the amount of time that was spent actually working to those ends. Now more let's get into it incorporating a high intensity intervals into exercise program produce significantly greater reductions in skinfold body fat measurements than those modern intensity continuous aerobic group. So those are the ones that high intensity versus the ones who are going for a moderate intensity continuous, which means like a longer run. And then we also see an increase in three classes of hormones who you'll be looking at which help to burn fat which would be igf-1 catecholamines. And then we also see a decrease in cortisol and six minutes of intense interval training can Elevate norepinephrine by up to 14 and a half times and epinephrine by six point three times greater than levels at Baseline. And those are are some of the catecholamines that talking about Just a moment ago. Now, what does it say in the literature additionally? Well it you can increase your fat free, Mass. Your waist measurements tend to decrease you got body fat reduction with that reduction in subcutaneous and visceral fat. So here we go. I want to look at a study. So there are two studies and then I will I will let you all go but the two studies that I really want to focus on are are here and it says we're going to look at - gang at all 2015 Examine the effect that high intensity interval training had on abdominal fat now. There were some other things that were looked at. But abdominal fat is the one that I want to focus on the high intensity interval training protocol was four minutes of running and four minutes of resting on a treadmill and they were going between 85 and 95 percent of their heart rate Max or their heart rate Peak and in the head, sorry, no, no, let me let me rephrase that. It was four times. They did a 4-minute workout. And then they did a 10-minute rest in between so they worked out hard for minutes elevated heart rate high intense work and at the end of it. They took a 10 minute break and then they did another four minutes. It took a 10 minute break another four minutes. And so they do this four times compared to the moderate intensity continuous training group. So the people who went from run and it created about the same time. So 33 minute run. Training times were determined based off of oxygen cost being equivalent. So it's the same amount of oxygen consumed in each group similar anthropometric characteristics, which have been basically means that they're different shapes. So they're similar in shape and they're randomized into each group. So here's what happened the intervention resulted in a similar reduction in body fat between the high intensity interval training group and the control continuous exercise group. So was a decrease of approximately about 7% in body fat between each group, but here's the thing and this was significant. The significant difference was abdominal fat reduction and the high intensity interval group. So we saw a decrease of about 11% in the for abdominal fat in the continuous exercise group and a decrease of about 19.5% in the subcutaneous fat abdominal fat for the group that did the high intensity interval training, but that's not all there was a decrease of about 8% this role abdominal fat and the continuous exercise. a size group A decrease in eighteen percent and decrease an 18% of the visceral fat visceral fat is fat. That's not just underneath the skin, but it's this it's the fat that's around the organs the viscera 18% decrease in visceral abdominal fat that's amazing. And it's the visceral abdominal fat that tends to be more contraindicated. So when you see elevations and visceral fat than Those tend to be more contraindicated which means that when that's exist, then there are more pathologies that can be associated with it morbidity and mortality rates are associated with it. So that was a huge finding that's a very very impressive now. We're going to look at at gazelle at all in 2014 and check this out as we get Sprint interval training and for fat loss in women, so they assess these folks and they did their body composition wait. Conferences vo2max Peak running speed blood lipid profile. They had 15 recreationally app active women. So they're already recreationally active it do stuff. They had them run Sprint. They ran four to six all-out Sprint for 30 seconds. And then they took a four minute rest. They did three times a week for six weeks. So one more time, they did a run four to six of all out sprints. 30 seconds with four minutes of rest. So as a 1 to 8 work to work to rest ratio three times a week for six weeks. All right, here's what happened body fat Mass decreased by 8% Waist circumference decreased by three and a half percent what increased fat free Mass so their muscle mass went up by one point three percent there Max oxygen consumption went up. Obviously, they're running speed went up. These are wonderful benefits and when people talk about high intensity interval training they talk about Sprint training their reasons why it's become so popular people. You'll like it and it works. It's got huge benefits. One of the things that I would like to encourage the the fitness Community out there listening is to maybe focus a little bit more on those intervals and providing some rest in between because sometimes it just go right. So to add the active rest into those rest components or to add just the rest and to the rest component so that you don't always have somebody just work work. Work and it happens a lot in group classes more than it happens one-on-one in personal training, but there are a lot of things that you can do that take intensity up and lower it down. Same thing in fight Sports when people go into the ring or the Octagon or whatever it is and they engage in Combat Sports. They can't go 100% for those three minute or five minute rounds. So they Slow Down Speed up they pick their intensity here. It's not picked you pick it as a trainer and make it very focused. And you're going to say let's do this for x amount of seconds. Right? Like there's work and is going to be high intensity and then let's back off of it. So if you were to do that for me, like just thinking about if I had wanted to do high intensity interval training on a heavy bag and had somebody boxing or had somebody kicking I would have them punching the bag fast hard work. Hard as they can for 30 seconds, but then I can also have them back off and maybe just say hey instead of punching the bag we're going to do some low intensity knees or kicks to the bag. So your arms are getting a break that way when you get back to your arms. You can go all in with the arm work and get that extra 30 seconds at a high intensity again, or you can just keep it low intensity and in the back and then go high-intensity heading the bag again. It's just an example. So now Now apply that to your functional training and you're going to be doing that with your band work your cable work your resistance training, you're loaded carries your jumps your drills all of that stuff applying back to it. But add some some very specific work to rest ratio times there. This is what we're going to do today plan your day out identify what it is you're going to do and say hey, these are the ratios we're going to be working at today and and I encouraged it. I say, you know, try try your next. Action with the clients that you feel this is appropriate for have them go into some some high intensity work before they go into straight up Sprint work, but Heaven do a 30-second on and then take a 4 minute break 240 seconds of cycle for minute break doing that for minute break. You can still be doing stuff that's active. But when you get back to the 32nd work, it's time to work. All right, y'all thank you for listening. My name is Rick. 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In this episode, Rick discusses the differences in Sprint Interval Training (SIT) and High-Intensity Interval Training (HIIT) and the benefits of both including: - Time efficiency - Health and fitness benefits - Aerobic and anaerobic performance - Better fat oxidation - Lower blood pressure - Increased insulin sensitivity - Optimized hormonal responses - Weight loss - Decreased in abdominal weight - Increased EPOC That's an impressive list and by no means exhaustive. HIIT work to rest ratio is often seen as 1:1, 1:2, and 1:3 Sprint interval training involves an all-out effort for shorter durations and longer rest. SIT work to rest ratio is often seen as 1:8 with some researchers indicated that rest is still too short! The following workout may be seen during SIT: •(1)30:240 (4×30 s bouts, 240 s [4 mins] recovery); •(2) 15:120 (8×15 s bouts, 120 s [2 mins] recovery); •(3) 5:40 (24×5 s bouts, 40 s recovery) (Islam et al, 2017) This episode contains quite a bit of research (thank you Dr. Brian Oddi) and shows empirically that the calories expended in HIIT and Sprint versus moderate-intensity training can provide increased weight loss from abdominal and visceral fat stores. Tune in and see what all the buzz is about with HIIT and Sprint training.

Yo, this is DJ sensex for very very special edition of who he talks Vine. I'm backstage at Brixton Academy. I'm about to start the show.It's a very very special shows a tribute to Cadet. I'm sure you've heard about what happened tragic passing of a very very great talent very very great artist and tonight the holsteins unified. So for this edition of who we be talks, I'm going to reflect on what's going on. This is going to be a very very special episode and it's going to be emotional can be painful but it's gonna be a celebration and it's going to be a episode filled with peace love everything because we're celebrating Cadets life today. DJ some sex who would be talks and my first heard about Cadets music on YouTube. And then from there I was just listening to it and when these did features with people just like this In on Soundcloud as well when I'm driving in the fall. Anyway, he's a guy who has a lot of positive energy. I think he was able to tell stories very well for his music like very well, I think him and rapmon very good at telling stories through their music. I first came across Cadets music with his freestyles online and also the stereotype to and just his freestyles to begin with and then when he sort of started Making some bangers with a dino. That's when I sort of knew he was good. All right. So backstage could that show DJ sensex right now with my Minecraft. How you doing, man? How you doing? My brother? Hi you good. I'm good, man. I'm I'm honored to be a part of today's special day right now, of course and you know, I was as well as black because obviously as you can imagine a few people get my not but I saw the love you is showing Cadet like differently row like it was like love like No, I can spot when man should last saw it. You know, I'm saying it out as soon as you hit me as I guess em, like I know Sam has love for card you get me and like it made sense straight away. But like I wasn't even if I didn't even need to think about it you got me. So that's why I definitely wanted you to be a part of this moment as well moment. And especially use what you know, you shared one of these last moments with him at the event that you know, is that yummy so yeah, man, I sort of art work right when you dropped out. As it was like a calling as I gotta be them and yeah, bro, man, like like even you know what it is. Like when we're doing our work was sitting down with critical like it that much just getting emotional because it's like that we have to even do this without saying like and yam and I reuse one of the one of the one of the pictures you done from a magazine shoot before look sick. And then yeah my like we you know, we there was people that are you going to announce the lineup this I said no like you don't need to announce anyone like trust me Cadet was loved and people are going to know that whatever we're going to do the amount of people that are going to be there to support him. It's going to be a good turnout. So I'm people can feel that you know, I mean, like even the situation of it happening like how much people had receipts of their interactions with him. It was all the same like it was consistent like the love that he shared between. Everyone was consistent. There was no No, like like Cadet someone who's like he expresses himself in it and when he's got love for someone who tell you like that. I love you, bro. I love you. Got me. So like you can see that all the people they touch because like he's a genuine guy. Like he doesn't have a bad bone in his body. Like, you know, I'm saying so that even a response like that. It was like even a realization of how loved he was like, it was a no-brainer for most people most people are even at you know, I don't like a private story in Italy. And said like if we're supporting a show because I had ideas like one if everyone because I know everyone's busy with everyone do it with everyone like and I just said let me let me ask any because we know who follow each other. So yeah and a response to the ourselves out there like don't have to ask me twice someday for could have caused some damn damn damn damn damn day. It's not mean and yeah man, like so when we used in a fly, I'm just not over 25 hours. It was started as like over 2000. Sighs and then you know more I started saying yo like and I was like, yeah, of course, of course, of course, of course and it was just became more and more and more and more and it yeah and it just became so big so much people it was like our I want to help like, how can I help like like Austin was the first person actually that actually said, is there anything you need shami? I'm there. Like he was actually the first like first person not hands down first person that Dummy so that even when you said are doing the podcast of breath like that's why I said let me I let me explain it to the farm. So they know that I'm fine, sir fine voucher for this you get me. So yeah, man, I just want to say thanks for the love to to use them and to Spotify like helping to demon put on the event. You know, I'm trying to say played a big part. So yeah, man, like just amount of people that are here. Bending over backwards to make this happen line got people like found the bricks in in even Brixton. They gave us the venue for next to nothing. Like, you know, I'm saying like everyone just said, yeah like we're here for the love like down to the production crew. Like yeah, we're doing this out of love like will do extra dish will do this. Like just bear love like the artist. Yeah, man. I'm dare. Like would you anything tell me what song you want me to do? I'm doing it and that's the kind of energy that's around this whole I'm saying that it makes me happy man. Like it makes me feel like he left a mark. Like he didn't die in vain, you know, like he didn't Paulson and you know, it's just something that was just over looked like everyone felt this problem that we felt this like I can see like everyone felt this obviously people know our relationship like we're like Bonnie and Clyde you get me like that's my flight was born. I was born to give him out. My mom was there when he gave birth his mom I was dead when I gave birth like that's the kind of Relationship I have with him you get me in Black. So to put on this event like it's like I'm just so happy man like that. There's so much love for women and everybody's coming to show the support the way they are showing their support like like to book all these people go over a million panel probably because of the sickest DJ like Where can you go and you got like the the D just to start in DJ's or straightaway levels lion and everyone just Isis bangers off the back of the banners of the bangle of the back like and this is what it now, you know, I'm saying no one wants anything. No one knows requesting anything no and saying I need travel. I need it like it's just I'm here like will make whatever like we're here with their with their Duke I'm saying like and it's always full of love man, and I'm just grateful that we can No, man's in a position where we can do this and you know, like big up Craig because I hate Craig and I said yo, like I told him that I did and he was like, yeah, give me give me a few hours. I'll have a few venues back for you gents. Let's see if we can get such short notice. Like I don't know what we're going to come up with and it was a lot smaller venues. And then this was like the biggest venue that was available and it was like Yeah, can come visit our books we can do this. We talking about like yeah, I mean and sjm they came in and was like, yeah, like anything you need that they've been you know speaking to the venue the way they even got the fee for the venue fly next nothing down to the you know, usually these venues ranging even sell merch they take a percentage nothing. I said know that everything's going to the cause his mom my Aunt Janice. She was she was like she wants something she wants to do something in his name for the community. So if we do something can we raise funds? I want it to be for the community so that the community is really it's like they invest in their self-care I'm saying and everyone donates or everyone bought a ticket like that that money that you spent is going towards something good and great and positive in his name to go I'm saying and and his mom asked me if Can do that and bro, that was the house that you going to make happen. Somehow making it happen. Your mom's awesome. Awesome and to do it. Let's do it. Let's go back. Yeah, so that's why I meant to scan so hard man and like probably I think that people are you actually like involved in the logistics of it? And well, I mean every single email red flag is mad like I'm like I'm going so hard but I've like I've never had this much emails in my life too so much. Correspondence analyze crazy laughter. I feel it for me. Managers are not like I can see that how much work that managers have to put into to just put on an event you got I'm saying so like mine's actually put in a lot of work into making this happen and is so much great people whose management, you know helped us like, you know, you've got like other platforms. I've said, yeah, we can help set up streaming like going out like it was upstreaming like this do that. You can live stream it let's do this and people said, yeah. I hope you like doodoo the merchant or I helped design this are oh Do this like, you know, I'm saying like people are just throwing in helping a friend sent home and like men's. Yeah. I'm grateful rough luck. I can't even express that had started rambling in Italy. I decided rambling on what like I just I'm just so grateful run for everyone that's even in this building like that means everyone that's in this buildings over here to showed support putting towards their adding a helping make this happen in it. So, I'm just thank you for thankful for everyone. I see him and you get me thankful for Being in a position where a man can't even do this on broadcast it out to the world. You get me I was at Hyde Park and it was like, I mean we should sit down and do this another time talk about it. But as I said, like maybe something good might come out of it and it has right, of course like that. The high part even was like, you know can definitely made made us feel like the amount of people that turn up that High Park and in a daze know. Slack well, yeah, we're going to be a high pot this time. It was excited to see of people like so many people and I gave the hope of like you're not we can do this event and it will sell up here also like Brixton. So I'm saying this is one of those venues. They wanted to sell out geom saying like he will sell our Brixton and we saw that Brixton like and I know like I just wish that he can see this like like how much love he's getting burglar that this is It means everything to member of like this this like my current like I'll put everything on pause like a minute be handing in stuff for our album and this and that brother forget that that I'm making this happen. I'm take that laxed everything stops, like everything stops. You know I'm saying and I want to keep his name alive. No matter what you get me like that that I'm doing this for him now like this was his dream brother like you They're like I'm saying that just in a blink of an eye bruh, just been taken from but like at the same time. He's he's definitely got to wear a place where he wanted. I remember you wanted about he's I wanna bang on YouTube angle need a hit. I need a hit I'm saying I'm doing the freestyle the sick, but I can either hit so I can be here can be there. Got it bro. It's like he's 90 cold rough. Like I'm still in the charts like he's Still in the Charles up click on my radio Pompey advice like, you know trendy like they're just bringing these Tunes like and it's just like the lingerie overflow. Thank God. I don't have like you couldn't have hit me any closer. Like I did like this is the closest thing to me right now. I've lost like I'm saying like but we're here for good causes his birthday as well. Say they even get to Stew You know it stopped about tonight is it will display Unity Pro Unity rough like Unity like rough like there's there's even people that didn't really get on. You know, I said, you know put outside good school. I'm putting this aside no issues not that's the kind of you need to respect your I'm saying like but even at his nine night People in there God knows if they saw each other or any other time. It's on it's on nothing cool. We're here to kill them. That's the kind of respect. Everyone's coffee. You don't want to say like real life situation for being poor. Everything's been important to look at this from a Cave System. Well yesterday said I got I got I got something for you is I need to speak to you but also I'm in I'm in the middle of the reception service my life. Yesterday I was running around helping the food and you know I'm saying and man said your own it. I said that cool. I'll meet you. He just probably just gave me this from that gold diamond card in the middle this gave it to me. Like I said that she was crazy pendant crazy rough. Like this ain't cheap rough, but I'm saying like this brought the last guy in any way like the loves just I just loved it so much. Love so much. Love you. See you seen the line of Refuge in Allah. Yeah, it's crazy. Hola crate like this may never happen again may never ever happen again. Like one in this venue that lineup it's crazy. Crazy Brave like crazy like so let's just go for the line up again. Yeah, let me get my phone. I'm gonna get my phone lineups crazy. You might have to do this. I've got I've got some things in my eyes. I got this i got this so the the lineup We're premiering a brand-new Cadet video today. He's got a you had a song. I didn't the song is about to drop sick concept. It's called gang gang, but it's about police and it's like alternate world of police interrogation him, but they both stood out above you'll see you'll see sick. So sick. His skill was just unbelievable the even if way he fought to do that. It's just I'm saying so yes, it's about the police. Basically if they was to be rappers or or creators. And you know, there was the reply Costas is basically what they would say because this is basically what they're doing, but when it's expressed away Cadet done it they kind of looks like oh well now you look at it a bit differently like, you know I'm saying so yeah, you'll see anyway, but the premiere we open up with that then we open up with Mr. Hudson foreveryoung emotional that's going to be emotional gave ones like so and that you get me like, yeah, man, and then the trailer starts and then we open up with a Cadet trap Pompey swarms Dino AJ, come on open up with Pompey. Then after that swarms brings out t on Wayne does badly and T on Wayne brings out am and they do trending with Cadet then t on way and brings out NSG they do options. Then I fro be does Joanna then Tina and AJ do London and then Amelia does baddest that becomes in that zone where I kind of a.m. Western they do bend over then bring out one ace and device of Versa then one day something that Hardy cap. They do best life that smoke boys do lock off fake. He does sit in their lethal Bizzle. There's Festus can power $23 ain't bothered. My diaper does man's not hot. Unknown T does helmet and be Rams does barking D-Block Europe. Do not see bring our young vein and do coochie-man. Then young beam. Does Rihanna the young then brings out young and that's best young another thing or nothing. Then notes comes out does Aladdin then notes brings out chip. They do crb, then note Springs, IA J Tracy. They do butterflies. Then we come out and do what whoa, whoa. Air Force remix bring out dig that K trap then we do lie. I'll bring out most stack most that does what I want to then brings out Dave does no words then Dave does hangman then storms the big for your boots ends it beautifully Blinded By Your Grace and then we stopped for a moment to I'm going to call my Auntie and Uncle in the stage and then they're going to bring out advice plan. Because obviously he's going to Silver a bunt over 200,000 copies and then when I get everyone on stage and we're just going to go crazy to advise moment and then like that's it broke like the ultimate the ultimate lie number you get me. So yeah my last dust the love they like you heard every song I was saying to you man. Yeah I'm saying so look, I think I'm supposed to be DJing for Mr. Hudson. Yeah, but it is I'm sure be all right, but listen, you know. I'm going to let you go because it's a big night. There's a lot going on and you know some point we'll sit down and talk. Yeah, but look well done and putting everything together and stay strong man. Thank you so much as well. Thank you for coming and being a part of this. Yeah, man think I've won involvement under a legend now the real legend Cadet rest in peace, bro, Jesus who will be talks backstage Brixton Academy right now with King storms e ha ha I just wanna ask you one question. How important is today? Listen today? What we see today? The father is his birthday Brixton Academy and knowing catcher and it sounds so good. You know when someone passes for think things can start sounding cliche, you know, like the same things that come up above cat. This cat was gonna do Brixton one day hundred percent 100% And when he got here What would the meant to him Bravo? I don't like. What it would have meant to him at Birth. I don't even think no one understands, you know, when people say a dream before that part of what what that if kid, it was here today during Brixton Academy and he had sold it out and it was like he had progress and he got to that stage. Well, he'll be in tears about I know I know cat he will beat you all will be mad at me. He wouldn't believe he's here about you get what I mean. So for for him to sell it out today everyone here from above its marked by shit stolen before real friends news problem. They don't even feel real friend, but Yeah, but it's not this even what I'm saying. But of course, he's such a because he's one of the guys was pure joy from pure joy. So Hunter pop all these things is so mad, you know all the things that don't make sense. Like you hear people passing a people say the same problem with cat everything is true. But you know what people say he would have wanted you to do this, you know, that's like a cliche things are he would have 1200 percent are strong. My mother's life care. Today would have wanted everyone to turn on. I promise you that if he's watching. You want everyone to turn on you want me to drink they call you want everyone to turn up like he wouldn't want no one that I couldn't he wouldn't want to know why I'm crying. Nothing is my promise me my friend. It's so fucking not fun. I'm having believe it no more talk. I can't believe about he wouldn't eat but I promise you I put a pan of my heart. You don't know what he would want everyone to turn up. Why are you crying from? That's what he said right bro tap probably whatever to turn on will be flipping tell everyone open their mouth the Pinstripe Bowl pouring it. Ridiculous amount that men should not be consuming by his tellement. Well, it's mad if he done it today, but his man, you know, if he was a really good day young all these things are brothers. I've never bought the epitome of it Bob. So the point is doing that's why I don't feel real. That's why I didn't throw a roll and do not no matter how I saying that they were, you know, the quote whenever people will say all these cliche things around people say God wanted to put someone died because God wanted them up. Up there with him. Well, I am never understood or not. I've never understood it. I've always thought that's just one of them lines you said but I promise you both. That's the only explanation from that's the only explanation of that the only expert without man trying to be poetic or trying to say infant brother promise you that's the only explanation but that got got myself Bob you're too pure for your too pure for this world friend or whatever. It was from that. That's an angel fan. But yeah, but today's weather today we got to do it for him. Going through it from this Madam Apophis management. It's my property owner has a special day. We're going to do it from differently. Tonight the lineups in saying it's crazy to a lot of eyes night. There's a lot of artists that have come through the same time. Is Matt that everyone's unified in this moment? Right? I've never never never problem. I've never seen so much love for one man ever yesterday. My brother. My brother Caesar is popped big on sir. He said he said he said it might sound ridiculous, but Rob cat died and felt like Michael Jackson or principle that I get it. It's not the same skill or whatever, but rather I put fam everyone. I've never Nat pop and got puff but man God knows - a lot about a lot of clothes people got a lot of friends pass away from when I was 12 to 25 now about and I've never ever ever ever seen even knowing that half of this law as in like problem and it got real bad word to say family. I ain't got a bad word to say I've got I got best friends. I got a lot of loads of people in my life while of my closest friends and if they passed I could say, ah, he was moaning rubber. I that's awesome. Sometimes he's back. He's this well, I haven't got what that's why I heard so much from Franco 1password. There's nothing to save him. Nothing. I got one bad. I've know what but one bad experience with no one. No one little one do not only thing I have is he let me money when I was dating. Let me a back button at the time a in a bag is Crate like that. It's not just a thousand eighteen years old a bag is meant well you might as well. Give me a hundred bag of crazy money. I didn't pay him back. I'm young problem. 13. Mm. Huh? Laughter gonna pay big bro. I ain't got to pee right now touching and touching him. He's spoiling me I'm touching and you know, I hate them but he just texts me bro. You know, I love you, man. You ain't gotta do that. That's it. I said, oh the man money as soon as he had to say to him follow him. You know, I love you man. Hey go do that ball to me coming me bro, then go do that, but that's who that's that's it. That's that's not the one time. We had a bad and even then we just had proper love. You ain't got a problem. It is not fun. It's He's like a sick dog family that I've come one man. Mean that Robert Doyle Bears mad this month from a book and we're backstage. It's been a very very emotional night and I'm with a very very dope artist actor comedian for juicer. Right one of the most talented guys out here Michael that by you doing man. I'm very well. Thank you. My brother. Are you I'm good, man. I'm good, man. How was it performance tonight? Nice. Nice, you know. Yeah London's always nice to I'm saying so but as you said when he's in the intros and it's mixed emotions you got him. Because we're coming out here to celebrate the life of our brother and I would have been nice to become an I had to performing them to perform with our brother. You know, I'm saying so mixed emotions, but I'm just grateful that you know that so many people came out to support the event number one. So many artists have come together number two, and you know, it's like we're we're even though like we're still partially mooning with tonight is a night of Celebration. raishin, so for Mila improper grateful for that what what what is the takeaway from this because it's very difficult to understand like one for what's happened and to you know, we're here we were a show and you know, we do show some always doing different things and everything with this this is this is a special moment, but I don't have never experienced the loss of an artist and the scene like this and never I've never been Situation. So I guess what I'm saying is from your perspective, you know as an Entertainer what what? Yeah. Well, I don't even know how to say like what was to take away from this like what what what why is this happening? Was it for us? Is there a greater good is coming out. You know what that I think everyone's taken something different to go. I'm staying away from the situation, but for me, it's it's about I've been one for my love learn from could then just he was a man of love you got me and for me, that's that's what I want to walk in with the rest of my days here to go I'm saying and it's also just made me realize that you know, you can't take anything like, you know, you hear people say all the time and sometimes we say don't take life for granted, but you literally can't take anything for granted. You know, I think it's helped me too. I say my is having his brought me closer to God personally Gia I'm saying, you know, I'm just more grateful, you know, like it's made me appreciate things that maybe before I was overlooking Gia I'm saying like even having breath in your lungs. It's like a big thing. You get me if something goes wrong inside of your body. That's it. You got me, but we don't actually deep it but that's the reality and I think for me, it's been a proper like Gchat. And I'm I'm thankful. But like I said, it's sad that I had to come like this and now Second thing is MM celebrate people why they Hammer because like I said, it's only after cats these parts in that we see all of this love now I'm saying but we where we're actually prison she got him saying we're blessed enough to be present. So I think it's important to like celebrate each other was we're here you go. I'm saying like drunk people messages check up on them. Genuinely jams in that simple, right? No, it's that simple. How you doing, bro that you know, how you doing sis. Is everything good how you holding up? You know like generally lot support each other today I'm saying it shouldn't take for someone to go for then everyone to start sitting up in and all but we're going to come together and boom Johnson because it's mad, you know, it's mad that but I think it is it's a point of change for everyone in that regard any way you can appreciate and laughing generally supporting a pair is 1 coughing in the UK, especially there's this mentality of like everyone's gone off to the same thing with no Joe I'm saying like that's why the people in other territories especially in America are thriving so much because they have realized that if you build an ecosystem by supporting one another and that's how your scene grows bigger. That's what hip-hop is now like a number one selling genre. Globally. It wasn't had that before it was seen as an underground drama, but they've together built this scene and now everybody's In everybody's doing well, everybody's getting Grammys and doing sold out tools and stuff like that and it can happen over here Jones in this is a much smaller country, but I just feel like people was like we're fighting over scraps to kill him saying we've all got different goals my goal and my life is different correct and colons or storm diesel a devil's. Oh, you know Childish Gambino, press table, you know, like we're all different people everyone wants to and I think that's the most important thing like just realize like bro, like support your people man Jones, and I didn't even That is Cadet. I was saying in an interview previously that he was the first artist that opened up my head launcher to I'm saying and now I literally message him. I said bro. I'm doing a show I didn't even ask. He just said I'm there whatever you're doing. I'm dead. She got I'm saying and it was Where do you get that these days where you know, like you have to run people down? Yo, I'm doing I need you for this. Yo the you know what I'm saying that why you know, it's not needed man. Everyone just needs to like get off your high horse, you know spread love and Loveless leave your mark and just you know, cause like I said, it's true man, you show 28 years old row. Matt but you know, it's not a bad emotions today. It's about celebrating looking forward and you know, I will forever love Blaine and you know his contribution into my life my family left and you know, just the people in general and so yeah today we're going to celebrate its TJ sensex who will be talks. I like I said before when I was talking to crept I should have been downstairs. I should have been downstairs DJing for this guy. Mr. Hudson, what's going on man Sam, it's good to see you. You're sorry. I let you down man. It's good. You know this luckily there's there's quite a few DJ's here tonight. So, you know, I had one to my left one to my right. We were we were covered. You know, it's I get the impression it's a you know, such a family affair anybody trips. There's going to be someone to catch them, you know, so no technical worries. It's crazy that you're here today because you know, you spend a lot of time in the US and then when you send me the email saying like, you know, you saw What was going on he wanted to be involved. Like how did it look being an Englishman overseas seeing like the output of compassion for Cadet, you know, that's what I was going to say. You know, I spend a lot of time in America in Los Angeles specifically and to be honest the way I keep in touch. I'm just stalking everybody on Instagram. So I know what you're doing. I know what you're doing. I know what that's kind of grind daily as Might you know, I don't need a newspaper. You know, I just I keep in touch thanks to the gram and you know to be real I didn't know Cadet I hadn't met him unless it was a very long time ago and very briefly. I don't think I've ever met him but you know, I had heard some tunes. I thought you know, there's a talented guy, but what really hit me was when he passed people like, you know friends like you there was this outpouring of love and and obviously loss and pain and it made me sad that I hadn't met him properly made me sad that I hadn't been around, you know, and I looked at my diary and I was like, I'm going to be in London for this this event for this tribute and I saw that it was for charity and I saw you were involved and I thought maybe although it's too late to work with him or to hang out with him. Maybe I can offer something that will be of some help. To his people, you know, I reached out to crap. Some Crepes was like, yeah, of course, this would be amazing. You know, I'm flattered to be involved. I just hope it didn't seem big headed to like throw my name into the mix. But you know, I just wanted to reconnect with the with a seen that to be honest launched my career. I mean you remember 10 years ago. I was you know wandering around North London with my guitar getting ignored but it was the hip-hop. Saying it was the crime scene that took me in, you know, and just said look we believe in you and then I ended up getting record deals and Publishing deals and going on a mad adventure and ending up in America working with ye and various other people and that was thanks to the UK and specifically the the London hip-hop and crime scene. So I will always have a debt to the scene. So I hope I can always be useful and pop up and kind of help out with lots of different projects whether it's Grassroots projects or people who've you know, whether it's people have already got their hustle together and I can just you know, listen to some music and offer some criticism as a producer. I don't know I just for me it was a big reminder. Like don't spend too much time in LA. I get back to London and be involved. You know, how does it feel to see the scene now because it is totally different from when you was out here regularly and when you was coming through and when he was doing jump off and so forth some of the names are still around but how's it has it feel coming back? And doing a show like this like especially tonight because pretty much most of the scenes is some of the main players. Yeah, it's you know, it's great to see certain people who are still still up and running from from back in the day hip hop and grime in in the UK and London 10 and more years ago was it was more geographical. I feel like North London was a hip-hop scene West London was definitely hip-hop East London was Grime, you know, there were these different movements and they would you geographical now, I guess in the word in the words of Steve Jobs the world is one place so you can be in South London making trap. You can be in North London making Grime and let's not just talk about London. You can be up in Manchester or Birmingham making any old music you want and mixing those genres which didn't really happen in the 2000s. It's easy easy to forget now, but things will get a lot more kind of compartmentalised and kind of tribal and I love the fact that now Anything goes and people can just slide in each other's dams and say let's work. They don't even have to get in the same studio. Just like let me send you some beets or let me send you some drums or an a cappella. I get a lot of work done that way. The last time I saw you was here with DJ Snake and you know, he says I hit him up. I think he hit me I slid in pretty sure he slid in my DM's but you know, we already had a record together before we even met really so that's how the scenes changed. You know, I'm I'm a dinner before the show texting a rapper from Portland, you know knowing that I'm going to go and hang out with with people in the UK scene, but it really is just it's just one thing now, you know, you can collaborate across an ocean and you before you've even crossed it. So now though 5,000 people were all here for could that how did that feel tonight? You know, I just got the sense with the crowd that they were like definitely won crowd. We've been talking about like Oneness. It's kind of been the answer to a couple of questions is how things like becoming one and they were singing back at me. It's almost like I didn't need to be there they were they were singing like you the words I think so. Yeah, maybe not the same. Maybe not the second verse maybe if we that Jays bit they would have known that but it was it was it was beautiful there were kind of all glued together by him and the music and I think that's that's something I want. To say was I really got the sense. Kind of learning more about him since he passed the none you before that. He's one of those people that glues everybody together that are seeing needs those people that they're shown love. They're showing up that if you have a show there there the probably want to be your hype man, the giving you constructive criticism, you know, I see these screen grabs of the people say the last communication they had with them. We was just saying, I love you I believe in you. So that just came back from the crowd tonight. Well, I sort of came across because that's music when I first moved to UK. So two years ago and I started seeing his like storytelling videos and I just like fell in love with that because it's so like touching and sensitive and real his storytelling. That's that's what made him. That's how about them out storytelling is actually amazing. He's a there's no one that can tell stories like Cadet like, There's no way yeah, it's very Legends. Honestly, just like he's actually pretty to Freestyle where most a lot of rappers can like. Yeah. It's just he's so fast like his flow is just so quick and he was yeah quite good. There's something who would be talks DJ sensex right now with one of the hottest in the game. This guy's killing it either to Eternal Club bangers. No.33 not to be my man swarms. What's going on man? Let me All right. I'm good, man. I'm good like that. You came out last year. You can flush out the box with like her instant smash right now. Bali is the joint, you know, but, you know some fortunately the recent events, you know, we've involving Cadet and we actually we did a show together right like just like a week before he passed away like is crazy that we're here right now backstage of Brixton Academy right now. It's crazy. Um, What happened shot? Everyone? Obviously, no one deserves to die. Not bomb that I like to say that Cadet like out of all the rappers. He was the first-ever rapper to let you reach out to me. So when I done my lack of track he reached out to me told me what to jumping like a remix that from didn't like that's all we started speaking got close. Obviously my management during that one my manager joined up with be Freaks. And then after that I met with gibbet we've done checks Pompey Together made a good bands. What was he like to work with? He was like a big brother. Let me Me I come from a big family that I've got three brothers and four sisters, but that kid that was like a brother to me let he will give me advice. So like I'll do something stupid on the Instagram. He'll call me be that you'll take that down. Like don't do that because obviously obviously he's been in the game longer than me. So he was teaching me the ropes and like he was so confident with me. So like so like that kills truth was also like if I'd done something rubbish, he will tell me in it. He wouldn't lie to me and that's all. Yeah man working with him was a blessing that I think God that I worked of him. That was a good opportunity one. How is that on stage tonight now? I was that I felt it that obviously respect to everyone. That's me. This happened today that it was crazy like that. Michelle was crazy. Maybe one of the most I've performed in front of obviously I felt everything that I thought everyone. I thought that I thought the now what could I say that I just felt like I really explain that. I just thought that the dispute letter atmospheres crazy. It's crazy, man. You know, we've what's happened and you know, the fact that he was on Pompey and you guys were doing shows the government is no longer here. Does that does that change your outlook on anything as a changed your approach last saw you at Hyde Park as well that was deaf. That was a crazy moment as well. Like none of us have experienced any kind of collective moment like that. But as it is it change the way you think moving forward just changed a lot of things like even my friends when they're driving stuff that has made me realize that life is precious like you only One chance one laughs so you have to take everything and let you do everything you can in this case of time time runs out so quick. So yeah, so it has bought that it's just been obviously stressful in that like we had on release bangers about to come out and that obviously is change things and that as well, but now I was a blessing to work with him and that and like he's just himself. He just a role model like he's taught me a lot of things easy like him being gone that good black is bad. But he's told me as well, like don't take life for granted just keep family grow. Something like sad but stressful that was a crazy show. I'm with someone who was very involved to cut that did you want to introduce yourself? Yeah. Hi. I'm Jay Spiro. I'm Cadets manager. How was it seeing that tonight? It was bittersweet one part. It was so amazing in the love was insane. But half of me is well. I wish he could he could see it as we you know, we've been doing a lot of touring lately doing a lot of spot days and you know, we talked about doing the Arenas and we talked about doing these type of shows. This is stuff that we always talk on the way back from from doing shows. So to see this it was stuff that we talked about and where was heading so I know he's seeing it. Yeah, so the love is there, you know and that's the good part of what happened tonight. It's amazing as we view a couple of weeks ago. When we you know, we did we did a show called and Dino's NFL party and I never dreamed we'd be doing this right now. Hello, and I remember spoke briefly and we got a date I think with the 28th of February we got in you know, and it was never ever ever ever have any plan like even when? I got a late now call it wasn't even it can never be you know, so to hear that it's not it was never in the plan, you know, and I never in my wildest dream, but you know, he's truly an angel. So only God knows you know, what what happens next for his legacy because tonight it was crazy. But you know, I think one thing that I realized this world is that he like we've done a lot of good work, you know, there's like he's good at for the weave and thought and how For he's going, you know just from the outpour and how things happened and the month of love that he received and continue to receive such as far as its Legacy. You know what he had what he left behind obviously, you know, like any artist you continue to work and you got the projects come in and you got a lot of you know, amazing records and a lot of amazing things, you know in the works. So even the videos and you see the video they played before nice teamwork backstage man be like, that's the last video you shot like you got four or five videos he already shot. Before we got projects and so, you know you continue to work they know how it goes with every artist. So as far as its Legacy is to continue to you know, put his music out and make sure that his message gets through and I think one of the things that was very important to him was love and communication so hopefully through his books and he's written a lot of poems as well. Like we don't know him as a poem that you wrote a lot of poems as well. So their plan is to make sure his legacy lives on. And you know create a platform where other I've been coming so Grinders and he's very much about the songwriting process. So just its Legacy is to make sure his music continues and he's forever here, you know in through his music and in hearts does the plan as a platform? So right now, I'm outside wixsanic. Jeremy It's been an incredible night you heard from some of the greatest artists doing that thing in the UK right now. I'm not going to lie, when we talked about recording by backstage this event. I wasn't sure if we should actually do it. I think right up until I was DJing at the start of the show. I wasn't sure if we should do it but having spoken to the people that are spoken to haven't seen what I've seen at the show. I think we definitely needed to do it. I think it was important that we've documented this moment in time. It was an artist that touch the lives of many people as you've heard and you know, he was taken before you had a chance to really go the full distance, you know, we'll never know how far I was going to take it. But what we do know is he touched a lot of people it's got a lot of fans. We do know that the music is going to live on his poetry is going to live on his Arts. live on It's like I said, when I started this podcast it's a celebration and you just don't see anybody Unified. And my takeaway from this is just you just got to go all out treasure every single moment and just live life to the fullest, you know rest in power Cadet. Got give a big shout-out to Crepes and Cadets family for allowing us to do this today. It's an amazing night and it's an important night. DJ sensex who would be talks?

At 28, Blaine ‘Cadet’ Johnson was a highly skilled rapper from London, UK on the verge of attaining mainstream success. The 'Underrated Legend' was renown for his freestyle ability, and club bangers such as 'Advice, ‘Pumpy’, and ’Trendy’. On Febuary 9th 2019, Cadet was the victim of a fatal car accident on the way to a show at Keele University, Staffordshire. His family, friends, fans, and the UK artist community were devastated by the tragedy which was covered by news outlets across the world. Cadet touched the lives of many people, anyone who had met him was exposed to his infectious love and positive energy. The day after the tragedy, Krept (Cadet’s cousin) led a crowd of thousands at a gathering in Hyde Park, London to release balloons in Cadet's memory. Days later it was announced that there would be a ‘Rated Legend’ concert at Brixton academy on March 2nd. The charity event was to take place on what would have been Cadet’s 29th birthday. With over 25 surprise acts on the line up, the 5000-capacity venue sold out within minutes. DJ Semtex opened the show, and Cadet’s family graciously gave permission for him to interview artists backstage for this special episode of Who We Be Talks_. Artists such as Krept, Stormzy, Michael Dapaah, Mr Hudson, and Swarmz shared their personal memories and spoke on the significance of the much loved, and sorely missed Rated Legend.

This is the who we be podcast with me DJ sensex. Every alternate we could connect with the people that Define our culture. I'm talking to the producers DJ's you artists big artist legend legend web has hit four Blue Cave at Grime a full swing. I'm doing all of that all of that all of that. This is our culture. This is who we are. This is who we deal with be we're currently experiencing a Renaissance for UK wrap. It was like every week or new guy. Because emerging the sold-out tour has been announced gold and platinum plaques being awarded for singles and albums and although there are hundreds of them sees fighting for that. Number one spot Jay has served up common sense one of the best UK albums ever the how do you make a critically acclaimed Mercury nominated written nominated classic? How do you sell a hundred fifty thousand plus albums J5 is the producer the architect and the backbone of Common Sense. They sit down right here for the whoo beep. Cast today we manage a five reason why I want to talk about with you today is because I want to find out what it takes to make a classic problem with me right now J5 producer of Gold album Vietnam and dated like everything nominated Common Sense might a horse but like this this is the guy that architect behind the scenes right now J5 what's going on? Man, I'm good, man. Hi. Oh good. Oh good. Oh good. So to get started like when did you make your first track your first be first be the first week. I can't give an age where I know I was in Ghana using a bootleg free lips. Just a demo version waking it safe. So when I was like 12 12, yeah, what inspired you to make beats boredom. I'm serious. Yeah, just having nothing else to do and listening to music and trying to understand how it was created. So I will pull them I I copying like copying Timberland boots and stuff. See if they will Timberland be. Favorite turbulent be enough to be Missy Elliot. I don't know that the tiles away Caesar, you know, I don't know if I can throw your casa. She's a bitch. So I could hear his vocal I could get him beatboxing in certain beats. I could hear Cowboys are your money like I could just hear random instruments that were meant to be instruments. What did you like about? She's a bitch. I don't know if it's the groove or something. I don't know something catches you from drop. It's just it's like a salute but it doesn't lose your attention. You're stuck in a loop and I couldn't understand how something could repeat for so long and I'm not bored of it. Did you like the way it breaks down towards the end. When when I first started listening to I wasn't really the breaking down how I just knew that that's what I liked. I liked the sound of it. I've actually gone back and listen to Listen to answer your they did this they did that but or either this but it was the first thing I was like yo, this is a rhythm and I wasn't caring about the vocals to talk for hours listening to the beat. So when did you realize you was good at making beats because like people try and it a try to make a video more the use like a basic keyboard or something and then just double but like when was it like you was like, you know what I can't do this Papa. I realized I could do it proper when When it started getting is from the ends like this local guys, just wanting to vocal stuff because they don't be first to Market. You know, they'll be the first to say yo this is whack allow it but when they were on Vulcan stuff and maybe for like, yeah, ok, cool if they're on it then yeah acting serious Casey come a long way from Ghana from Dublin and Fruit Loops right now. We're in your studio in West London shot today hosts his next-door vocal booth like putting in the work on that, but it's been a crazy Journey right to get to this point. Aunt it's not so what happened. Did you leave Ghana came to the UK? So born here went to Ghana for three years came back and trying to adapt to the music so grams of your very different from afro piece trying to create groundbaits anyone sounded like Graham you make when you try to make them so I can make graham now right but when I first started they didn't sound like Graham because I was my influences were at four beats and hip life stuff. So it was like a program. I don't even know what it would be is just it In fit in of what was claimed that might be a new thing right there. But yeah, hopefully but then fitting so when was this like when you was back in the UK, what year was this? One guy? Remember two years? I'm 25 now and I came back when I was 13. Yeah, fine. Well tracks was poppin at that time. Thank yous and peas Kano your p's and q's is one of ya que. No, Powers before that but it was still it was still a tune like boy in the corner ever. Yeah, it's damn time with kids are 2003 a kind of ever probably. I'm bad to date. So you tell me all right. All right. So what happened next like you said you were making beats and there's like for my name in the ends is that is all right. Yeah just for just for friends just like on a 1-pound Mike from literally from the 1 pound shop just recording tracks. You know, what pal Mike. Wow, that's awesome. But yeah, just doing that and then I my uncle blem. He was a rapper. So use rapper by name of blemish and he works with quite a few eyes and then he was just easy. You just take me into just like every weekend I'll just go to his studio and you let me sit down and just watch and stuff and pick up things and like his circles was really good producers who had sticky those next door at stryver like those a few lat Michael million those that console does like a bunch of producers who were doing their thing. I could just sit down and watch I could go from room to room and just learn from somebody that was popping. What did you learn from those guys? I can't pinpoint exactly what I learned from each of them, but they influence the sound because I would copy what they would do. I would sit down watch and the copy exactly I would even copy where he put the cake away, but it's there like I wasn't even trying to do it different. I was trying to copy because they were popping I wanted to do exactly what they were doing. So I couldn't tell you what I learnt per se but I'll just copying stick. He's like one of the most successful UK AG producers ever to come out of the UK. Is there anything you picked up from Emma anything that you clocked and we will do everything to do with mixing and sound and before I could even pop reproduce. He was always the one that was like ours not really about what you place is. What sounds you choose what based on your base and your like he was always on base. So make sure your base is right. Make sure you're kicking a basis, right and I couldn't get but I think from him I took bass kick based up the movement like the way the relation between them and things like that. So let's fast forward. Let's move forward when Would you say you started to develop your own style? Like the the J5 sound? I got actually put a day on the I don't even up to this day. I don't really know what J5 sound is just music like literally people label and say yo you good afro, swing sound. However, it's just making beats. I don't know. I don't have to explain it. Like I don't know if Tim Burton has a sound is he's just hip-hop unit futuristic though. Yeah. Well, you know, I mean they didn't give him a genre. I was just a part of it, but he's off to you could tell a Timberland Beats. Is there yeah, okay. Yeah, you can so I don't know about the Sound by just a producer certain way in it. So if if it sounds similar if I don't know if it's a sound it's more that's just how I produce when you first connect with Jay Haas. I can't give you a date while my opinion free years ago free for years ago freeze DJ's young boss. So they were friends. They used to come to the studio the time like DJ Enuff parties, and they were just on me you have to work with our boy house after work about white house and I longed it for the longest time. I just Why do you linger about tired of recording artist? So I was recording I recorded every rapper and he and his brother who the wrapper on and it started to sound the same. It was like same lyrics different voice. So I started getting tired. I only did the session if I need money like 20 an hour if I got peace to the cool quick and bang out quick five hour session and I didn't need the money the time so I just wasn't on it until they got the time where they will do turn up at the students a yo hot. She's coming to our like they forced it and then know that I know it well. He's DJ's forced it like they forced the session. Okay. Wow on May 24 cents a pound that Alan just do it together the way did it further sighs? All right start again in general. I started enjoying the sessions it was it got to a point where I stopped asking stop charging money or just like, you know, you didn't say comes to your list. That's what it became fun to actually do music and I hadn't I hadn't enjoyed music for a while because I was just doing it for money. What was the first track that you guys did Together Vacation? I didn't produce it. It was just a recording so he had his lyrics already written. He knocked down like 15 minutes. Did he? Vocals I recorded it gave me a quick mix down and I think he uploaded it online two hours later. What was the track that you first produce them where he rapped on it? And he dropped it the first track I produced for him probably wasn't even the track that he released. There was a song called forget to hates or get hit over that he had already written. He wanted on the original because I was on YouTube. So I reproduce to be and then we put energy on it and the song that came out for a while. He drops other songs that we produced and then he went on his mixtape. What plane will point was it like, you know, you start to take him seriously because it's gone from you're doing it for the money. You guys are the vibe and then what point was it? Like yeah, you know what I need to give this my only dedicate all my time to this was quite early early on I'm talking like probably like four sessions in he would come to the studio when I and I'll be making I was still trying to make pop and drum and bass and stuff like that and he's walking in here me doing a drum and bass something a bit. I was so far from what he's doing and he start rapping and he would optic lyrics and I'm like yo you jump and he's like, yeah, whereas other rappers would come in and they might as well produce the song they will tell you all the kick has to be this way. I've heard me goes new tree needs to they just wanted to replicate he was down to jump on anything. So that was like yo, I could actually experiment with this guy, you know you produce you in the studio like you it sounds like you're a point where you're taking your crap seriously like you develop in the sound you put in time and it you're doing your 10,000 hours without even realizing it but how is it possible to get? Someone to focus on their craft and ignore everything else because in the beginning I heard loads of stories. I heard like who's on the streets, you know, is this a lot and I hear about other people in that but it's like, oh, you know, it's not like so far. So pave save you can't tell someone to focus when like they're hungry. They got stuff to do like it's not paying music takes everything from you. Before you say anything back like you have to pay for his sessions. Where is he finding the money for his sessions? You can't tell him and drop this and take this serious when you can't even get transport to the studio. Hey, what is that frustrating for yourself though? When you're coming through Point nice different now you done it with that now, but when you were coming through was that did you feel any kind of frustration with the fact that you just wanted to get on with it? But there's other things stopping that from happening a hundred percent. It's it's irritating because Like you put your all into someone else's project. So I'll put everything in someone else's project and they could turn around and just - it like do something silly or like something out circumstances like yo, yeah that two weeks. She just spent on them track subscribe him slave. Yes, I happen to you. Yeah quite a bit more than it should yeah. You know who's coming through? There's a point back in the day. There's the media was just on him like they misinterpreted like something that was in the paper now and how was that back then because I just want I just want to get a picture of like what it is. You went through to get to making common sense. I can't even explain this for us. We don't we didn't understand or know the how many the power of media and all that stuff is really Word where everything he says it's blown up times 5 so it's like you're telling the guy to watch what he says and he doesn't even realize how big he is and he says or does something and then we're trying to kill him. So you'll delete delete what you just did it and then famously about newspapers and you're like, oh fuck he's all of us. Like I still not used to it like he was in the newspapers every day for taking a picture. Yeah. It was still not used to it like and I'm leaving the person is that show called? Yeah. It's just a picture. Like I saw to again crazy. It's like damn I couldn't live like that personally, but what was it like making a mixtape mixtape fun? You did a mix tape in two weeks. It was just a Vibe. The mixtape was it wasn't our we've blown or we're gonna get money from this it was I remember as managers wanted to sell it. It was like knocking for free just it was just a Vibe was just knocked out a mixtape 15 songs two weeks. That's put out there and then it did well and then it was down to the sold it. All right, when you're in the studio together, do you feed of him or Z feed of you? Like has it over? There's been times where he was thought that idea a lot of the times you say you say yo J. My mom's feeling this 50 Cent to know I was listening to it and it's got can wrap over vocals you listen to a song and be rapping on top of the song and I can't even function. So sometimes he might have something already from an idea. He heard on the song that was playing on radio. I'm and say I've got something or you come and say you on black man. Just stop. Start something. It depends. Sometimes my feet of the FED. Someone else's DJ's would say yo, I heard the song it does. There's no structure lean and Bob was dope one of my favorite all-time horse tracks bang Stanley was dope and that that is like next-level. I remember one Sunday dropped like I was talking to gigs in cases like yo, you see that track that you know, you start breaking down the significance of that tracks and you know is deep. Did you guys know what you was doing when you made that joint did No, it was doing but I was put on Soundcloud but I that one I could promise on you was a hit because I like we finished the song. I like Freedom when we didn't finish. It was like all the time Freedom one and I got home and I put it I sent myself an email and I listened to it and I called his magistrate was like yo we got here. I'm going back to the studio to ask to come back to students finish it so we went back and finished it so that song I'd always be like yo this Only Hits and hit there's just the one that I knew was a hit for some reason when he came up with the little guy like my fans with no Heist like How do you feel about that? I was going crazy Joker first when he first said I was thinking you're joking that's not happening. And then I started thinking to myself and I was kind of like you start singing some of the stuff. He says at first you're like and can't see that then you start seeing the back of the that goal. You know, it is it's catchy. I don't know. He's got some genius about he knows what to say things that resonate with people. You've got to streets popping. You got two clubs popping. Your name is ringing out friend Liz popping off. Aeneas to time, how did that affect you remember the definition of someone could throw your figure a man stuck? Because that was looking forward to the album. He's just saying he's about to do is I'll b'm I'm not saying you at this time. So I'm thinking cool. This is the way if I can get the world to hear the music blah blah. And then first thing you think when our eyes goes Joe who sign our he's gettin dropped if he can okay game over Baptist. At for this fine Plan B. But luckily these labels really understanding like really understand didn't drop him was still supporting. So it didn't change any change that much but it did they did caused a scare. It's like I was thinking dime. So what I do now, this is my only Outlet of music. That's actually making noise. What did you do for that? Six months. I did a bunch of sessions a few senses you exactly at this obsessions. Just watch with with artists like trying to trying to keep busy during that period did you think boy that's it. It's done. Do you ever think it's a wrap because there's some weapons have been inside before and they come back out and it's not the same the day you want Joe supposed to speak at these bandages for tiles with you know, this is over. It's finished. Maybe they went out they got nicked when you get a job, but at time we kind of show the support delay was giving you that they wouldn't it wasn't gonna drop him. But when you got next it's like yep, nice knowing you guys. You know, my just busted up. I'm going to I'm going to get my job back at ee because he please don't like his album spent all my money on equipment like yeah, it was like About that was that first session like when he came back out six months later smooth. He already written he had so much right. This is what annoys me because he writes things and it's good. But if he gets bored of it, he will never let you put out. So stop that he'd written from like a book load of stuff he fruit thinking through the book away like he's about them was we was excited. We're like album done like yes, let's do it. And I think you only did like a boss from that whole poke through the book of Islam border and about no one's heard it and I'm and I come right back. He always does that if he gets pulled over, Song it's not coming out. When did the album start like when did you start workin Common Sense? What was the first track the first track was done before we even knew was going to do an album. So it was the first track was both Daddy and that was done mixtape days and it was the song that he never finished that so it didn't get go on a mixtape and it had been sitting there for so long. Everyone was horrified like doesn't need reproducing as any vocal and he's written like four different verses for that song. But then when he got out of jail, he will straighten it straight on the album didn't even take no other sessions for good. Six months was just being him everyday. What was like some of the key moments like in those sessions I was the most memorable moments to you like making the music. Remember the moments was when you know, you've got a bag on it softer. You you've made a song and your power like because we made like song that closed doors and stuff. They weren't to traditional Haas hype songs. That's like a very far from No Lie, which was - aggression and you played to his boys the ones that were just tell U OJ turn this shit off like yo like they will tell you like and then Yo, this is Coney Island moments. Yeah. What's your favorite giant of Common Sense closed doors closed doors or common sense those two common sense is crazy the actual title track. Yeah, that's straight G-Unit error 50 Cent Get Rich or Die trying' Vibes. What was it? Like when he was recording that I'm familiar. Yeah, like he'd written the first verse. I think he'd written the first first from Joe. I'm not too sure. I think you're the first was already and then we started skeleton beat that was like it would beat was poor. I think send it to the label sent to Joe's like yeah, and he's Product needs traffic to probably sell it to you as well. It needs a bill and then we got composers in and then they they smashed it like these. How did you feel like seeing them photo? Because like if they really brought a life, right? Yeah, not they they hear things very different to what I was I don't know because they play so where they took the train from where it was originally was I was baffled as I couldn't hear that I didn't feel as possible and then we came back to him it in the middle. So one thing with demos that they're crazy talented did like they had The long intro they did some musical stuff. That was like, okay cool. This might be too much people won't care. So like just it was actually taken things out more than I didn't stuff after they were done with it inspired a lot of everywhere because right I think so the Diplomatic website. So common sense like it is been revered as one of the greatest UK rap albums of all time. I've had rappers telling me that I've had critics telling me that I've had you know, those Hip Hop Heads that are like, you know, Customers say about everything. Yeah, they figure these things to biggest one of all time, you know, like is one of them and love them that conversations. But how did you decide what to put on there? Because it's very very different. Each track is very different to the next and go back to what you were saying about what the J5 sound is your production sounds differently throughout it. I think I've been my side was easy because I purposely would make the song sound different but in terms of picking what songs it was more content thing is just you had a phase where he wrote a lot of songs about girls. You just had a phase and we kept again. I'm say you're right. We need to go back to mixtape took some put some shit in it. Like just took some crowd and the guys are all his guys just like you I'm not living it. I can't talk about it. I'm not I'm a living it like I was thinking man like some shit that happened because we we need some aggression. So it was once we got a few more songs that the aggressive songs with the latest songs that were done. So like lying goodies were all kind of done towards the end. Once we find some credible / Frankie once we got those like yeah, we got at least one high point in there. Do you guys fight or did you fight while he was making an album you fall out? Never never we've never fooled never actually falling up get grumpy. Like I tell him I like I have to have OCD with like things lying around. I like places clean and I think he's just blase you just leave. These are black pickup and I can totally come like a ha but we've never actually like falling out all things. Like if you're staying with someone for six months like it's sleep in the studio for six months every day. Just going to shower sleeping in the studio. Yeah. I was serious. Yeah you cool with that. I've got work to do. Wow. Yes, and again was the point know that must have been a moment where you're like your temper. So you've got to a point where you're like, ah, yeah, like I got there but I realized after wasn't even because of him I had other issues. Like I just had two kids and all of these other things that was just adding on and if I'm seeing house 24/7 I was looking I'm like, ah, it's not even him it's not it's not him right? Like I'm not why did you leave the sweet rapper? I'm losing it for no reason that so yeah. Hi, did you see how did that come about because that's that's a moment. You know it is it's a track that dominates the club's is dominated. The radio is the sound of 2017. You know you French Montana jumped on it. Like how did that come about see we both have different description of how it came up. I think he went to a party where he went and literally he went in a black Benz and left in white pins like that simple. So he had the lyrics already written. And he was spitting the lyrics to me in the car. When was coming back from the party just use the spin it looks at but he started singing it in a melody and happened to have that I had I had just a chord progression that suited the melody was singers are singing on this and see how it sounds and it was that basic normally would be here trying to Vibes create something from scratch. But that one song the Cool progression was done from I think about a month earlier and it was just sitting there doing nothing. That's the melody on the track. Yeah. It was the instrument because it away food. I would like to you so Marion, but it's not it's a some sort. Copy of American bonus it works. And so that again that track is totally different to both daddy. Totally different close the door totally different to clot. And how did that come about that song at a longest process like 15 edits man. Once we lay down the draft like say for example, once he'd lay down the chorus and eight we knew the song was good, but we're missing a second of us forever. And the arrangement of the song was kind of boring because I had to be on just a leap. I try to keep it simple because I wanted to marry overproduce songs. So I just I just said you're gonna keep this one simple. And then I think kilo and Joe goes from black bar. It was like our nominee needs this and he's like, I think I even got feedback from you so much. I think everyone putting on this song like Joe came here from so long as for free days back-to-back rearranging the song and even that like wah, wah sound that's that goes in the bridge. I had it just in the bridge and kilo. Our manager was just like nice. It's better than that has to be in the chorus. Even he started arranging the track you jump on him. Wait there. That's the one song that I think everybody was really involved in the song. Would you call it in the UK wrap? Is it a full swing refurbishment? Like because I see all these titles flying around like but to uj5 producer the track was it I'll be honest. It's closer to the afro side than it is hip-hop. He's not rapping. He's singing the be if you took if you put me whiskey though some on the beat would be an afro beat June so I don't know it's more natural side than actual hip hop. So common sense comes out. Did you surprised by the reaction to it? Like I wasn't surprised by the reaction but I was surprised by how many people actually reacted like how many people listened? I thought it was like what you think we're going to die for I will sell 20,000 30,000 was like now when we can I don't know exactly but over a hundred thousand. I like that. It's on that 160 or some. Yeah that shit Yeah, we actually Is crazy. Did you think you'd get to this point like bearing in mind that you know, you don't mix tape it been through some situations in the street been inside the other thing you guys have a point where you're getting the plaques on your walls. I always feel that will be successful. But then there's always been transported off fuck. It's over like when you go Joe and like times where you do something crazy and turn down a performance that we know could change his career or something and you just you just act irrational black are yeah, it's done - done, but other than that what? No, that guy's talented one. How's it feel to see overall is try to replicate what you guys have done. I love it. I love it. It gives me confidence. At least I know the design right because I used to copy Timberland stuff and and Ryan Leslie stuff and that was me trying to to learn or whatever. So if I hear something that sounds like I did it on like that and yeah, they listening to me like I was listening to table and I catch myself I get excited. I couldn't give two shits if someone copies a big shit hoof gasps Mimi. Woman like copy I'm happy with it man - Liz met on the way is he's sick. He's sick eyes to what was he actually used to do videos where he break down how he made the beat? Yeah making it easier for me to coffee. So he was the go-to guy. Like, I'm looking at this thing placements copying everything. So like the stimulus not really showing anything you just listening to your I'm repeating the loop for so long trying to rip it. Where's right? Let's do just jump but he want to say this did it like yeah. Oh my God. Come here in the studio. We keep Cody. Leslie and you know the success of Common Sense they hit you yet. Sometimes sometimes like obviously horse is a celebrity if he goes outside people yo J howsoever, but every once in a while like I'll be someone watching if I'm like seriously like he did the other Allah ya like more people actually know my name then they know my face kind of thing. So sometimes I don't see how that's a problem shit. So they actually know my name. So I think on that sense. Yeah, you're going to do your solo project. I was happening of you. Honestly, I'm so proud of college. I'm so proud of all that, you know, cheers my pressure say look. I know everyone's been omitted a people have been on the other I say yo, I want to be on your first thing I like yeah. I'm sure you'll kill it man. I was over man kill it which of obviously feeling from the UK because they obviously like daeho's is the one in it being biased or anything like that, but it is what it is. But is there anyone else you feeling is coming through that anyone else that you're watching or you're looking forward to seeing drop that brown Jim Bugsy and as she obviously Davis Kind of ready this I'll call you first name in the but Dave. Lyrically. I don't think people don't forget I can touch the right now. Lyrically. It's a guy the kind of teacher mangy be young. Yeah, I like it was still young basement basement. I don't know if it's coming through because he's in and out. He's had his moments. This one came out same time as host. Yeah, we got them joints. Yeah, he came out slightly before but I think he probably started taking it serious around them times as well. I think similar things and Sliders and all that stuff. But yeah, but yeah base. So based on the coldest eyes their bite is up and down, but other than that, I'm a Boston man. I really listen to anyone it's bad when I'm in the Bible is bad. I don't really listen to anyone. Let's imagine the J5 album is being made and let's imagine you could have anybody on the first single. Who would it be who would you put on that? First joint? First thing? I don't okay. I can give you like first three or four see understand what I'd want to do. I'll do Migos and basement. I'll do popcorn and NSG. I'll do I can't take someone from Rekha. I'll do like future and and all Travis Scott and Dave like all the features like that. I wouldn't have to be someone from UK and someone from there just to show that sometimes these are recognized might get even on a tune with again. Some of these people just level it out. So I would that's that would be my ideal album to have I wouldn't want to have just just have a big Americanized or I want to put And I just I think is on a level with another ice from there and you look go back about let's see who's really having this must be like epic event, you know, if I could all drop it if I like the food today, so we only studio right now shattered a hose. He's in the booth next door. How do you come in here every day and get inspired? How do you like I let time for another. And go outside forces. Yeah, like this veterans are coming at it from the sleep. Like I'm tired because the way we work at like as much as like house house would wake up at 6 in the morning and work till 3:00 a.m. But then I have other people I realize that I've done things with that. I need to finish for three months ago. So I have now got 3 a.m. To 6 a.m. To try and knock out the other artists and then he'll be up again. LOL jail, we good to go. So you like more time your shattered and he just force it just like and then if something That's the sound sick. You're not tired anymore. I don't know when you do something you enjoy you're not hungry or tired. And if it's shit, you just you fall asleep. You can count one. That's when you get your sleep tight when it's wack. Just look house looking like yeah, man, let's take a break. He called got on the first episode to the who we be podcast. We spoke to Dave and he's making down like what it was like working with you and he was breaking down how the Samantha track came about that sounds totally different to everything else you've ever done. Even when I heard that I even think he did it. I was like, oh Okay, this is crazy. And what was that like the working with Dave from your perspective Dave crazy talented like mad. So for example, like with the keys I started because he can play keys. So I started playing I played a basic good. So I played the chords and basically it is our how about you do it like this and as I yeah, yeah that way you just did like literally like he's my talent and then so did that put together drums and bass and in all honesty. If you notice my tag wasn't on the beat because the beat was never ever finished in my head like It wasn't done. It wasn't finished. So he did the beat it was a loop. He did his vocals Hast walked in house wasn't even meant to be in the session walked in and started freestyling something. They would like yo jump on that side cool, then they they bonded they were Vibes and knocked out the song and in my head, I've always said oh, yeah, I'm going to finish the be next week and next we know like you're mixing it down cause it's coming out tomorrow. I'm like Brody's not facial at night as fine as it is like literally and then it came out and I'd forgotten to put a tag on it and about that. They put the tag on the video. So people kind of clots. That was me, but all that and then I'd like a song All right, probably not going to be that big inning. He was any blood on it damn song fit tag. So on. I mean so seen Dave like play the chords right now the Kings like that. Is that is that inspire you or do you want to take it up like learning up like yes, this is I do every Wednesday and Friday from these guys are showing me up composers will come in here and play your shit. Ten times better. You like? No I'm taking lessons. Wow, that's deep. How important is it to put a tag on the track? Because some some produces the sounds over the top right some albums. It sounds over the tops and every the beginning of every track, but from your perspective, is it important like if you got to do it, I don't think I'd have a career if I didn't tag the music. I hate the tag. I still don't even like my own tag. I don't I think it's nonsense Puttin just Puttin your stamp all over someone's music. I don't like it. But truth is this producers are 10 times better than me that no one knows who they are because Rappers wouldn't credit a producer audience don't go out and Google who made this beats very rare. But like when you target they know when it's like RJ Metro Boomin made it so that I could get much I get much more welcoming much more recognition because I tracked the hostage songs this producers that for you 10 times bigger stronger than me and no one knows who they are. There's tracks haven't attacked. I didn't touch them out for I didn't tag fishermen on the house album just a fuse agent Dean has forgotten tag and like there's a lot of Pop stuff to say Coming out that's not tagged Sunday. We're going to mention to get the money back. And how do you feel about Spotify giving credit to producers if they did it earlier? I wouldn't have tagged any music like they're bloody laying it right now their credit in for Jesus don't think family maybe put this stamp all over these guys work and I didn't have to you know, like that's important. That's crazy and point because now it's there you can see it's like right-clicking it before like I had to tag it because no one knows and no one cares. It's like they only care when it's pushed in their face like a people sell your tags and make them like that. That type of shit don't gots it it's just because they've been hearing it so much and on popular songs. Who else do you want to work with you making history Jay Haas and you guys, you know, you're like you're like like, dr. Dre and Snoop your that duo the feet of each other and you know when you work together is Magic, but if you want project like, who would you like to work with you if he was doing it to a five album the first Village a five-album. I always say people unique voices and like not necessarily don't have to be the biggest I'd have to put One two big eyes on this it yeah, but you don't have to be the biggest people like, mr. Probst who can we have like these tones Maverick Sabre singer wise and then wrap away as characters or if you've got character like Haas who else I always say the cliche everyone everyone want Drake on foot before drink Sake I like zombie. My like what drink is fucking good? Let's be honest people like that. That's why I'm going on my project. I feel like if I did a project and I put everyone from the UK on it it be wake exactly whatever. Expect from me the black bow and using to do that first song featuring Jay Haas. That is mad be I think that's what happened for our project because I don't know how to go about it without it being so big. Who do you say is Drake's best track. Damn. It's got a lot of a minute. Yeah. It's wrong with Blair my nose and his best trip. I was banging it out for a while. You got any advice for anybody who can comment? I anybody that might have been in your position years ago who's coming through right. Now? What would you say to someone who's Producer the up-and-coming trying to find our way from it. It will get like as in pushed like keep one because it gets drained and not like especially like you have to do a 9 to 5, we have to do something. It's eat. Like I know a lot of producers that those producers are pretty my boys are producing before me that when I got 95 was like this is a joke, even when I was doing it like oh you're joking from like hey, what you doing that five as well as doing what you're doing like if you have to maintain it, but in terms of don't stop a lot of them. Stopped producing to go and do an answer five. Never never stop us - even if our fully and it's not popping out still be their music because it's like you never really know really know when you're gonna get a time. So I don't get disheartened easily and actually work and lay Steven. What does it matter about your choice of equipment know, what did you come you came through and through 2 Loops for like a start-up free Loops went on to logic quite early because I blaming blaming fruits for me not being able to get music sound with I didn't know that. I don't make stars. I was just blaming the software. So I went into logic still wasn't sounding amazing, but then I just stuck with logic and then I started realizing like you start learning things people just mix Engineers who would make sure song where was I didn't know that for you make it being such a sound banging. It's not the case and then you start learning to make sure self and all that stuff and starting now. If you're just a BeatMaker don't mind you can make beats on a laptop and headphones someone else is going to mix it. Anyway, so technically you don't need anything else if you want to go into mixing. Or making a tunes on the side where you need equipment as the new host happened sounded sick sick when we going to get it. I have no idea. I have no idea. I let the other that note a five-man fact you like thanks for letting us come to Studio giving us an insight into our works and you'll see you in the next up so fuck you very much. He has some exclusive inside right there from the man himself J5 shot. Some old. Kilo Joe the list of the Blackboard Famine, of course. Shout out to Jay Haas need to get him on one of these podcasts real soon. If you feeling that episode make sure you check out the other podcast with Dave sneakbo Bugsy Malone and Michael diaper follow who we be on the lookout for the next episode featuring The Landlord. Of Geeks, I'm DJ some sex and you can check me out on line DJ same sex and everything. I'm live on BBC Radio 1xtra every Friday night from 9:00 p.m.

From a free trial version of Fruity Loops production software to a seminal gold-selling album and a slew of Top 40 hits, the story of Jae5 is nothing short of miraculous. The architect of award-winning British talent J Hus and his groundbreaking signature sound, the 25 year old East Londoner is providing the soundtrack to the UK's current rap renaissance and shows no sign of slowing down soon. With the release of a number of classic homegrown albums in 2017, arguably none were more genre-defining than J Hus's 'Common Sense'. Blending gritty tales of London street life with infectious hooks and colourful Afrobeat flavours, the project cemented Hus as one of the most prolific songwriters of his generation and, with a credit on every track of the release, placed the spotlight firmly on Jae5 as the father of the sound. In the fifth episode of the Who We Be podcast, seminal DJ, broadcaster and author of 'Hip Hop Raised Me', DJ Semtex once again delves into the mind of one of the UK's most promising young talents, digging beneath the surface to unearth the secrets to their success. From purchasing a £1 microphone and recording local talent in his bedroom studio, to being inspired by the likes of Timbaland, and the sleepless nights it takes to create a classic album - this is the story of Jae5\. Press play and enjoy.

Welcome to not another Runner podcast a running and health-related podcast created by a run-of-the-mill. Yes pun intended every day Runner join me for all things running health and well-being related for the highs and lows of Life Training and chasing girls. This podcast is designed.Keep you motivated and enthusiastic on your journey to health and happiness. Every time I run I discover something new about me and about life be a reason why I run or a discovery of myself. I genuinely find gratitude through Runnin. I am able to stay healthy and fit through the execution of my passion, but furthermore I'm able to achieve peace presents growth and Discovery and I love to hear all your stories on how running has changed your lives and what it's brought to you. I want to connect like-minded people through the power of podcast.Hello and welcome to another episode of the not another Runner podcast. Thank you for tuning in and for choosing this podcast to listen to when you could choose one and listen to so many of that running podcasts. I'm so excited to be able to publish this episode today. It was great to finally get to record this episode with today's guest who's become a very good friend. Thanks to the other brilliant community of runners.Have over on Instagram today's guest is the very lovely thoughtful kind and caring Carly Barnes Carly is such a lovely person who I'm lucky to call a friend and though we have not yet and I say this with great emphasis as it will happen soon as unfortunately with everything that I had going on including babysitting duties and other things going on that that week. We were unable to meet up and had to postpone our parkrun and Take meat strangely at fell on the same day that the chiropractor then told me I wasn't able to run for a little while, which was very strange timing. Anyhow, we shall meet soon enough. I really really hope that you will get you all enjoyed. Today's episode as much as I enjoyed getting to chat with Carly as always get in touch with us over on Instagram. Let us know if you listened to the episode give us your thoughts and feedback. It's always appreciated during this chat got Carly goes on to tell us about her 12. Marathon challenge, this is a challenge that you can all get on board with. So Carly will go on to tell us about this challenge how it originated and the brilliant Charities that she's raising money by doing this basically between the 25th of December and ended on the 5th of January 2020. The idea is to complete the Marathon distance. You can do this in as many sessions or as little as you wish so long as they between these days. And completing the distance of 26.2 miles. And so yeah, whether that be in 12 small runs and walk jog runs or four or even just one run 26.2 miles and you can do it. However, you like so yeah, I just think what better way to all get together and help Carly Rae some money for some great Charities than signing up for this Challenge and also, It's a great way to keep active keep motivated during what's normally a very indulgent and sometimes a slower-paced less active period as we relax a little bit sometimes too much and does little bit too much as we enjoy the festive period with our families and loved ones. So yeah, great way to really just keep motivated keep moving keep active keep healthy enjoy the outdoors and fresher. Keeping the run and consistent getting involved with others with friends. Perhaps meeting up with others to do to do to do some runs do some miles get some miles in the bag to complete this distance over these 12 days and also brilliant way to start the new year motivated active healthy and miles in the bag. So Carly will tell us more about this during the chat. So do listen out for that. The link to sign up is right at the bottom within the notes and there was a Titian running for the 12-day marathon, so I think that still valid have a look on their Instagram page again the link for that is in the show notes. Hope you enjoy this chat. Let us know your thoughts and your feedback. Hello and welcome to another episode of not another Runner podcast. Today's guest is a female Runner. She's a wife and mother to two girls. Her husband also runs a passion is getting outdoors and hitting the trails. She also has recently discovered open water swim in and enjoys yoga has an exciting challenge to talk about today a challenge. You can all get on board with so let me introduce you to today's guest. It's none other than Carly Barnes AKA Gil run the Shire Carly and welcome to the show. Hi. Thanks for having me. You're very welcome really as I say this. I say this every episode. I need to start thinking of something new to say, but I'm really excited to talk to you today. I've been looking forward to this and everything. So could you just tell us a little bit about yourself Carly? Who is Gil run the Shire? Okay, so I'm going the Shire is me. I live in Worcestershire and let's go around the tire its own ass. So I'm 38. I'm married to Ben and we've got two daughters as you said before and me and Heidi who are 6 and 3 and yeah, I live and work in Worcester work for a technology company the content marketing manager there. I run obviously and I also enjoy baking and gardening and I kind of describe myself as a bit of a freestyle dancer. I don't do coordinate. Don't think I do freestyle dancing much the embarrassment of many of my friends. But yeah, so just a normal normal girl in the Shire how and could you tell us? How was it you have you got into running initially and how long so I've kind of run on enough for a really long time probably since I was at Uni really but kind of it was more of a hit and miss or I think we should be fit and healthy. Let's go for a quick run and then you'd run a hundred meters down the road and you'd be out of breath and putting why am I doing this? And then you don't do it again for months and months and then you might have another sort of little little go at it again, but I've always kind of been fairly active. I used to mountain bike alert with friends of ours. We used to go on snowboarding holidays things like that. And I played netball when I first finished what when I was at school and then when I finish uni when I was working that board but Runnings always kind of been there on and off in the past but never anything really serious and I would never have considered myself a rather and I know there's the whole thing about, you know, you stick your trainers on and you go out the door and you put One Foot In Front the other and you're a runner, of course you are but for me, I didn't consider myself a runner and it probably wasn't until I took part in a virtual running event couple of years ago that I fell in love with it and then I started I got that run as high and yeah, just yeah the ceremony of probably a couple years that I've been running more and more often and doing all these events and what have you but yeah, I love it. So I was just about to ask and I asked everyone if you've always been interested in a sports and active Lifestyles. It sounds like you have pretty much have if you've been doing snowboarding mountain biking years ago. I was never any good at it. That is a massive cover ya know. Very good at it but I enjoyed it and my husband while my husband and I have been together for a very long time 20 years. So we've kind of grown up together with our group of friends. But yeah, we used to go away for the weekend over into Wales mountain biking and but Balaton by can always follow it like a session up in the hills are always followed be followed by Eve like quite a few beers and what-have-you bit of a party and then yeah, we'd go snowboarding holidays and but I just always loved being outside and especially up in the mountains. There's something very special about being the mountains. I wish I lived closer to mountains, but there's one to us at the more than Hills. Hmm. Is it strange like you like so many people say this? You just said how you didn't really class yourself or feel like you were a runner until you really did that virtual running running an event. So many people say this that they call. Yeah, they start running but they're not run out or they don't feel like a runner and it's so sad that so many people like feel like this like because if you put your trainers on you go for a jog, even if you go once like you are a runner and I think we need to encourage. Is that and oh, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, and I it's so easy just to go like conversations. I have at work where they're still can't believe you you're running this and your but I'm not but you can as well and I'm I'm so passionate about that that it doesn't it doesn't matter. What speed you go out. It doesn't matter how far you go just as long as you're giving it a go if that's what you want to do and you don't, you know, I wouldn't want anyone to feel the pressure that they have to do that. But if I could bottle that Feeling you get when you know when it all just goes perfectly that you have a perfect run or when you're up in them in the trails and you see that view and you're stood there and you're like that's amazing and it's quiet and it's just you and the view of I could bottle that feeling and give it to people I'd be a millionaire because it is the best thing. Yeah, and I want other I just want other people to feel that and I don't want people to feel that you know, they have to run this crazy fast marathon time were to be Be a runner. You don't have to be just know, you know, it can be a run to the end of your road. As you know, it's something it's yours. So I think that's the thing. That's so true. Like I'm trying to talk down. But yeah, I've put so if you could like you just said about bottling up feeling up. Like I said, you know, what if they I've always said this if they could sell like the benefits of exercise and a smock. He'll figure just prescribe that I like. It was a health way like yeah General the the The money would spend like a chess and the health but you know the health hundred percent less isn't stuff which is decreasing like incredibly and you know, you said with regards to it doesn't matter how fast or how slow what pace you do that to like I say this all the time like with people that run with or friends or family, like it really doesn't matter that it isn't a competition. It doesn't have to be fast. It doesn't have to be professional. It's just going for a run and you know what? If you you stop and take a walk to gather your breath or you know to muster up the energy. So be it who cares? Yeah, exactly. I mean the thing is as well on the other side of things if going fast is your thing. That's fine, too. I think everyone just has to kind of find what's right for them. And then some of you some days you feel like you can just run and run forever or you can run really really fast another day like today what I don't want to I'm just going to have I'm happy plodding along. Or when I did I did the ballpark's half marathon a couple weeks a couple weeks ago. Well quite a few weeks ago now and I've got two mile seven or eight I have site. This is hurting my legs feel like they're I'm wading through treacle. I'm going to walk I don't need to run this anymore. This is ridiculous. And as soon as I stopped running and I started walking, I noticed this steel drum band and their flags and the these amazing signs that were made by an all these people cheering and I had the best time And it just completely changed it. It was yeah. So yeah, it's okay to walk and it's okay to go at your pace because it's your run. So whatever Pace that is. So yeah, I find I found like I'm races like if I've gone fast or I've trained hard and like say for example, you're really concentrating on a time or a place. Oh and that's what you want to do. That's what makes you happy like you do take in less of your surroundings. I've done the same race like on two occasions and even that now like I definitely haven't taken in the surroundings of use because you're you're concentrating so much we're doing rather than what's around you so there are so if it's too slow and down and just it all in. Yeah, you just have to yeah understand. Yeah. So how was it that you liked? How far in do you run into any did you realize you wanted a train for those longer distances? Well, it wasn't really so I Anton a I just started my Instagram account and it wasn't long after that and I started following a lady called Karen Lewin who's a local Runner to Worcester as she's pretty hardcore she but she's lovely. She's so nice and she's really inclusive and she just she just wants everyone just to enjoy you know, the joy of running but she organizes plugging event and is basically where you jog and you Litter and there was she posted on Instagram a load of us turned up and that's actually where I'm at Katie Katie J. And the runner on Instagram Instagram as well. I met her there and anyway, so between caryn and Katie, they I think Katie had just done race the stones not long beforehand and Karen was quite an experienced ultrarunner as well and the between the two of them over this sort of hour and a half. I spent running around Worcester picking up. Glitter they just sold it in to me of like Karen was like the views are incredible. And Katie was that you will not believe the pit stop. So angry. She said they basically described it as a running picnic and obviously I mentioned earlier on about that. I really enjoy baking I love I love food so much. I really really love food. And so I running picnic I wasn't even thinking about the miles which is leaking. Okay running and eating the sounds good. So yeah, and I It wasn't until a couple of weeks later where I met up with Katie again, and we ran together again, and she sort of started going on about it. And I was asked how far is it that she's that? Oh, it's just over 50 miles and I think in my head its it was such a big distance. It didn't seem real, you know, do you ever get that for you know, sometimes when you feel like you're scared of heights at the 10th floor, but if you go to the hundredth floor, it's so ridiculously high it doesn't seem real anymore. Mm-hmm. Does that make sense for my guess is worthless, but that's how it felt to me when I signed up. I was like, well, it is a really really long way but it's fine. It's just a day out adventuring and that's what I looked at it as when I signed up for the race to the stones explicit our sorry. Yeah, and yeah, and it was just about we just built till up the training bit by bit got a load of dates in the diary and just sort of built up to it. And but yeah, it wasn't ever it wasn't ever. Me realizing that I wanted to do longer distances. It was just about the food. Yeah, because they've been last year then wasn't it last year that you were convinced to do race to the tower would have been it's worth. Yeah, so I met Katie. Yeah. Gosh. I'm trying to put my dates together this we did it. We did Tower in June this year and I met Katie last year and maybe the August I think it was August 20th. 18. Okay, and then I think I finally signed up for race the tower. It may be the December sort of time and I just having just run in the September my very first 10K, right? Yeah. What's I go? Let's been saying yeah, right. Okay. Yep. Let's do this. I'm a bit of an all-or-nothing kind of person. Yeah, when was your first off Martin? When was Forest supposed to do now so far 13 that was in March of this year and that was my first half marathon. And so what we did was so I was I signed up to a coach. I was coached by Jordan project Marathon girl. Yeah and between her and obviously Katie haven't done the stones last year. We kind of plot it out. Dates in the diaries for long runs or and building on those longer runs. And yeah, and the The Forest of Dean half was up my very first half marathon that was in March of this year and I absolutely loved it. It was brilliant. It was like one of my favorite favorite races ever. Yeah. It really really hilly. Was it a lot of you know what I was expecting it to be super hilly from what everyone said, but I I don't know. Maybe I was just having like maybe it's because I was having the best time ever on this run and just experiencing that first sort of big event that I didn't notice that there were Hills but I didn't feel like I notice them and I think I'm trying to remember. I'm sure we ran most of the way maybe apart from a couple of little bits. I mean, I got tomorrow 11:00 and I bunked real bad. I can't do this get me a Jelly Baby. Remember seeing a guy Chris who we follow each other on Instagram and he kind of came up behind. Is that how you do it? I was like, I can't talk. I just need to get up this hill and I was kind of like this laying little donkey kind of just plodding up this hill but I've got to the top I was like right come on. It's only a couple of miles. I can do this got my head down and yeah finished it and my husband and my girls are at the end that was just I wanted to finish strong for them. And that was that was the best. That was really nice finish. And coming in like running into them and yeah, they're little hearing their little voices good mummy Well Done by me. It was really nice. Really nice. And that's that's the feeling that I want a bottle for people is that you know, when you're heading towards the finish line and that feeling it's just yeah, it's really it's not it is a great feeling like a really nice feeling. So that's that's some like crazy really good uni that you would have had like first hand. A September 2018 was next December you decide to sign up face the tower, which was I can't remember how many miles the rest of the tower. Is it 60 80 to know 50 50 52 or 53? Well, I didn't make it unfortunately, but that's a whole other parts don't forget but is this is crazy that thank you you decided to do all these in such a short short space of time. Yes in March. I probably wouldn't recommend it because I got I got quite a few injuries after my tank and when I signed up for race at our I had a groin injury, so I wasn't running at the time and I just signed up to to to George with Jordans coaching and she kind of helps supported me and built built a plan specifically from getting getting me back from injury. Yeah, so running an ultra my first Ultra My very first run I remember was it boxing day. I think it might have been Boxing Day or the day after boxing day and it was a mile and I was just ecstatic to be able to run a mile. I was so happy. Yeah, and I remember texting her as I shouldn't have just run the mile and he was yes, he sent me back the best message as I see you can do it one foot in front of the other and off we go so Yeah, and so so obviously as you've just said already raced to the tower was the goal big goal of shit. So we'll check if you if you are right if we can just talk about that was just quickly because it's have you had a crazy day with that one. And I think I knew our I know you said just now that you didn't finish it, but you did amazing. Like what you achieved is incredible when you think of that like the very close succession. One of those events and 10K back in in September and then you're half in the March come to June and you're entering race to the Tower and you've got to 41 miles wasn't yeah. Yeah. So we did we did we did for our city in the March and then I can manage to convince Katie to sign up to a trail marathon in the May on May the fourth. So V and it was it was it was the May the fifth because it was the Revenge of the fifth and they had like a star wars-themed medal and it was up in Shropshire along the long mend. And that was possibly one of the most brutal races I've ever done that felt harder than reach the tower maybe oh the dissents and the climbs on it where incredible but the most amazing sense of achievement at the end. We were we were almost the last ones over that line. We had to because there was a bit of a miscommunication with the the people that as it was two loops and you came back in there was a bit of a miscommunication as to we said we're going to nip in to learn then we'll go back out on our second leaving you had to do with the first Loop within a certain time. So we quickly in Italy and as we came back they said oh you're still here. We've just sent the tell Walkers and we were oh my gosh, so we then had to chase the tail Walker's although they weren't tell Walker's they were tail / very experienced Walkers slashed really good Ultra. Others so we acted and the first is if the first bit out on the second it was a massive massive climb out of the valley and we had to chase after them and somehow I don't know how we did it, but we caught them and we've got to the first aid station. The guy said don't worry. I will make sure because he also doubled up as the last aid station because you kind of do a big loop around the mint and he said don't worry. I'll wait for you here or have the Jaffa Cakes ready for that last bit and blessing me. Did he waited for us? He was he was an absolute godsend. That guy was if I had his I tell you but but yeah, we somehow caught the tail Walkers and then we finish that race and again my husband was there with the girls and I remember Katie saying to me come on, we finish strong for your girls and we did and that was such a hard race, but we did it and I'm yeah almost yeah that and then yeah and that was so that was the Mets and then ended June we went and did the tower but I think it was that race because it was such a quite a high high. What's the word? I'm looking for quite a steep descent. Yeah, and it just screwed my knees. Yeah, and I think that's where we did money. And so I my next the next plan was my husband and I were going to run from Worcester. Oh no run from Burma get the train to Birmingham and run back from Birmingham to Worcester along the canal Towpath which you can do from from Lock 30 tool or whatever. It is look 40 something but it's 30 miles. The first lock is that werster on the river 7. So we're going to run all the way back home to us too. Because I'm I knew you couldn't do it. And so for me that was a massive sort of blow psychologically that I couldn't do that next step in my training like 30 miles because that was sort of like if I can do that then it's only another hmm 2020. Yeah, so I made the decision not to not to run that and I think that was the right decision. Yeah, although Ben and I we definitely to go back and do that together because he's done. He's done it with his dad did it for his 40th last year and we went to see him at the Finish. But but yeah, so I'm going back to town. Yeah, and then we went and we did the tower in June and went in with an injury and I do not I don't do this. It's so silly to start a big race like that with an injury, but then I thought well I can walk it. When I run it hurts, but when I walk it didn't hurt so I thought if I just walk it or parts of it, then it will be okay and actually on the day it felt really strong and I did around we met living at the start line. It was absolutely pouring with rain. It was absolutely miserable and I think I ordered a raincoat two days before the event in a panic by because you know, that's the thing you do and then we met live e in the queue for the toilets I see. All right, come on, you're coming with us. We'll all run together. And so the three of us ran the first he was about 14 miles together and I felt great and it was in The Last Mile coming into Pit Stop to that. My knee just went and I couldn't I couldn't run it anymore. And that was just heartbreaking and I said to the girls you're gonna have to go without me and I'm just going to see how I get on and that was really really hard when you've trained with somebody all that time. And then you have to make that decision to split up. It sucks. Really really And I and I think they both felt really crappy about it as well. Yeah, they felt yeah, they felt bad about it. But we kind of said I said, it's fine you have its they had to run their race and it was my my thing as well. So so yeah, so they went on I saw it, right? Okay, what do I need to do and blessing my husband it he sort of ferried around that the pit stop getting whatever. It was I needed and the girls gave me a big hug. And then yeah, then I left there when I saw it, right it's going to walk it and run it when I can tiddler two stories on Facebook and Instagram to try and raise a bit more money for the Charities that I was running with and and then my husband then added me to a WhatsApp group that he had all my family and all my friends and then they're all like come on Carly and that was like I'm so I'm walking along with a snotty nose crying. Oh my God. Oh, my family and friends are here for me. And that was and I think that's what kept me going. Knowing that I was they were they were going to be at various different pit stop because I'd get a little text saying and coming up at the next Pit. Stop is the day and then like my in-laws were there and I remember seeing my my mother-in-law and my father-in-law been stepdad in one of the villages and then we saw his dad and his wife and his and his half-sister and the dog who nearly tripped him, but they were brilliant. They got me watermelon. They help stretch my legs and then I saw two of my Other friends much later on in the race, and it was so nice to have those people all the way along and that's what kind of kept me going. And I just chatted to loads of different people on well, I just thought right. Well, I'm kind of doing this on my own. I'm just going to make friends with strangers and you were never really on your own. So yeah, and it was it was a brilliant day out. It was really good day out and the I got to mile 41 and a hat. I had to find band and say I can't I can't go anymore because the blisters are blisters on blisters on blisters that got wet feet change my socks, but my trainers were so soaking wet. Yeah, and of course you weren't girls is so proud should be so proud of that. Yeah. I am. I am I am I am really proud of that. I'm what I'm more proud of is the amount of money that a race for the charities. And it meant that meant so much to them and no force or I'm still be raising money for them again. And so is it is it the same Charities? Yeah. Yeah. So obviously that was huge girl this year and this is very timely because I'm going to ask you now if you've got any big girls or achievements that you're right so you can tell us a little bit about that. So I'm actually going to go back and do it again. Yeah, and I'm going to finish the damn thing and I'm going to get to that Tower and I'm going to have my pint of beer or whatever it is that the end and pizza and I'm going to do that and I've told my husband can he meet me but there's pepper trainer. Should they get wet? So that's they'll be doing that later on the summer. But before then I managed to get myself a spot on the London Marathon through a charity, which was very very exciting. So I'm running low. under marathon in 2024 Family action and they are a charity who support loads of different families up and down the country who are perhaps not as well off as everybody else or maybe live in deprived areas that don't have the funding that other parts of the country do so, they helped them add things like Financial advice with Counseling for all sorts of different needs they support families who are going through IVF. They support families who perhaps have to make that decision as to whether they put food on the table or buy their kids Christmas present. Yeah. So made so many good things. They do the families up and down the country and obviously I'm mom I've got two kids and the thought of another mum out there having to make those kind of decisions or Deal with abuse within the family with us alcoholic alcohol alcoholism or drug abuse or other awful things that happen in life. Yes. I kind of felt as a mom. I wanted to try and support other mums and dads by supporting this this charity and then the other charity that I'm running for is a charity called hopeful tomorrow who they it was started by a lady called Christine and her husband. Cancer and they bought a bus and they put a chemo unit on it and it became the world's first mobile camera unit. And the idea is that it enables families who perhaps can't get to a hospital easily. Perhaps they live in rural communities and they don't have access to public transport their own transport so they can go to their local community Hub. Whether that's a local doctors surgery or Community Center and that's where the bus will be and they're now in in several counties all over the country and they help people today Lee so it just basically means they can they can go to the bus have their chemo and then they can come back home and be with the people that they love which when you're fighting cancer, that's what you need to be don't want to be enough. You don't want to be in a hostile way. You don't have to be in the hospital and my my father-in-law he's he's got cancer and he is yeah. Said he's he's used their services and their amazing and he's and I said to him, who do you want me to run for when I did the tower last year. I want to raise money for a charity or who can I support this helped you and he gave me these these guys name and they're yeah, they're amazing. Yeah, and they've helped him. Yeah, so yes, I got through school tomorrow and hope for tomorrow and family action. What an amazing charity and like that story? Who did you say was it that set it up? Hope for tomorrow? That was a lady called Christine. She set up for her husband last night. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, they're in there an incredible incredible charity and they do a lot of good and yeah, they just bring it closer to home. It's so important when you're going through a really rough time with your health. You don't want to be in a in a hospital with you know, as lovely as the people in hospitals. You don't want to be there you want to be at home and and the quicker you can get back over better really? So it's you know, it's where you feel comfortable and also obviously there's there's less germs and things at home is what you're used to so so, yeah, so yeah and they've helped my father-in-law who's a very very special man in our family. So yeah, that's who I'm running for. So those the Charities you're raising money for a year London Martin 2020. Yeah, and also race the tower. Perfect. And then we did speak earlier about the 12 doing marathons that you want to tell people about that as well. Yeah. So rather than asking people for money to sponsor me. I have set up a virtual running event called the 12-day marathon. So I'll give you a bit of background if anybody's on Instagram and they follow Livy who's the nutritious Runner she set up something very very similar a Years ago for when she did her London marathon race in 2018. So she set up the 12-day marathon and the idea is that instead of asking people for money you get them to sign up to this virtual event where they run the distance of a marathon Over The Twelve Days of Christmas and at the end once you've once you've run your distance you get a medal and it was a beautiful medal. And so I took part in this and that's how I kind of came to fall in love with with running. And since then I sort of kept in touch of Livy and we follow each other we've chatted several times and other than we actually ran part of races Tower together and then when I got my London Marathon Place iMessage living and I said I've got I've got a place I'm so excited and think of doing something similar to what you did with the 12-day marathon, and we would we were chatting about it. Fourth and she said to me why don't you have the 12 Day Marathon? Because it was still alive Instagram account and she said there was still a Live Strong of a club for it that she'd set up and so she gave it to me so that I could she switched it all over to me and we've set up a new password and what have you and she gave it to me so that I could use it to raise money for my London Marathon attempt. So yes, that's what I'm doing. So it's you sign up and apart from the cost of the medal and Post-its all The money will go to the Charities that I'm raising money for you don't have to raise any any money. You literally just sign up pay your entrance fee if you like and then between the 25th of December and the fifth of January this year you run the distance of a marathon and you can do that in one go if you're that good or you can do it in chunks. I've got a friend who has never run a day in her life and she signed herself up her husband and her little girl and they're going to do it when he did the January sales because they reckon they walk that much anyway, and then I've got another friend who's doing he's gonna split up into a few five k's and a 10K and try and get some pb's and then I've got other friends that are walking it with with their mums and my money even managed to get my husband to sign up and he doesn't do running events. He he's quite adamant about that. He just likes to go out and run solo and I've said but you've got to you've got to do my in so Yes, even he's doing it. So yeah, that's a dad I've had the response already has been incredible hasn't that's great. Yeah. Yeah, it's really nice. I feel I feel very very lucky to have so many amazing people in my life. And so many all these Runners that want to take part in this and support the Charities that I'm raising money for it. So yeah, I feel incredibly lucky we will do is we'll put the so if anyone's listening thinking Lord, you know, I wouldn't mind signing up to that. I had a Harley raise some money for the parties and also yeah and in the meantime and you get a medal, yes, yeah, very pretty metal very very lovely what we'll do. We'll put the link to 12-day Marathon and the your page the Instagram page as well so that people could just click straight on there. I'll thank you. I definitely am going to be signing up because that's quite it's quite a quiet year, isn't it? So it will encourage Rich people to keep happy and it is it's you know it over Christmas. He always I mean I don't I personally I'm always a bit sort of lethargic of indulge a bit in that food that I love so much and probably don't get out and do much. I might do a little walk here and there but yeah, so it what's nice is that there's people that have never never really led a very active lifestyle that have signed up for it, which is fantastic and there's all it that's the other thing you don't have to run it. And so my friend burning. Yeah, so she's had a really Torrid time with with an injury over the last couple of months, but she signed up for and she's like, I think she's hoping that she'll be able to walk parts of it like with her husband and I want to walk some of it with her. That would be wonderful. So that's yeah. It's what run skip job hands down. However, you want to do it you do it and it's inside or outside wherever January sales. Treadmill Trails wherever well I'm saying it's like I mean, I'm hoping I'll be running and by the end but at the moment I'm not running so we'll have to wait and see so if I am walking and I'll be walking a lot of it in between work. But yeah, Bernie was episode 10 of the podcast on Clinton spoke Taylor was episode 9. I'm sure people will have heard of both of them and hear their episode. Yeah, that's great. Everyone's getting involved. I'm sure we're all raise a lot help you rare. That would be awesome. That would be really cool. Thank you. You do seem to be really proactive and you do get involved with lots of great causes, you know such as this one raising money for charity. There was another one that you've been involved with and that would run as he'll could you tell us this court? Yeah. So yeah, so run his heel that was set up couple of years ago by a guy called Chris Cooper. He I think I can't remember exactly what it was. He did for a living but I think he was sort of had quite a high flying career and I think he went on holiday to Africa and I think he was so moved by what he saw out there basically mums and dads that couldn't couldn't feed their kids or the children were missing out on an education because they can get them to the schools. And so he It really sort of hit home for him at how lucky we are here in the UK and actually in most Western countries and so he wanted to do something that was bigger bigger than him bigger than any of us and so he set up Runners Hill because he was big Runner himself and loved running and the idea is that you so he's got a shop on the website called Runners Hill and on the site you can buy these. T-shirts fast sweatshirts and hoodies all those kind of things and they've got this the Sloan on them. We run this and the idea is that one of those is the will pay for a month's worth of meals in a school in the town's enough in this in this part of Africa for a whole month. So kids are more likely to attend school if they get a decent meal. A hot meal every day. So the school since he set it up School attendance has been much higher and obviously there's kids that's really important. Well, as you know, you know education is everything especially in that part of the world because it gives them a better start in life. It takes them away from what could otherwise be pretty nasty turn out so so yeah, so that's what he's doing and he's set up a couple of years ago and Hoping by the end of this year to get to 500,000 meals which would be incredible. So yeah, so every every time you buy a t-shirt or a vest or a hoodie from some Runners Hill you're providing A month's worth of School meals for kids in Africa and the other thing he's done. He's he's recently read visited some refugee camps some Syrian refugee camps and he has a thinks just set up something very similar out there as well in a refugee camp. And he's yeah, he's worked really hard to make make sure that because there's a lot of politics around refugees and things like that. But this isn't this isn't about politics. This is just about making sure kids get a square meal every day and get an education and that's far more important than politics. So and it's just about being a good human, isn't it? So, yes, that's what he's doing and there's an army of us behind it make So that he succeeds and that these kids get a good education get a good meal and their tummy and can live have the opportunity to live a better life and make it better for future Generations. So yeah, it's only a small part of the world that were helping. But yeah it you start there. You know, what's that saying small Akon's great. What's great, oak trees. Is that it? Yeah, something like that my company, wh-what what brilliant cause that Though. Yeah, I mean it's like again it comes back to I'm a mum and I would do anything for my girls. I will yeah, so if there's other mums out there that can't for whatever reason can't do that. I want to be able to help them in a small way. I haven't got tons and tons of money and the opportunity to really make massive changes, but if I can make a change to you know, one or two three or four mums lives and their kids then I will So and I think in our country we take it for granted, you know, after this podcast. I'm going to go downstairs and cook dinner for my family and that's easy for me to do. So, yeah. Yeah. So yeah, so yeah one is hell it's and the community we've got what's that greatly from the other guys that are part of it are are just they're so passionate and they care so much and they're funny and they're all right. They're all they all love running. All very very interesting. So that's the other thing and like the quality. That's that's what I couldn't quite get over when I first bought my my I've got like a blue hoodie thing that I wear all the time. I love it. I've had it for probably about six or seven no possibly getting on for a year now actually and it's been in the wash so much because I love it. I wear it all the time and it still feels just as nice as it was when I first got it. So that's everything is he's got really good quality. Materials so so yes good for you as well as a runner. So that's pretty good. We'll definitely will put Lincoln as well as to someone if people that would be awesome. Thank you. Check out the his website because that is just brilliant cause and even like we said like one item of clothing doesn't cost much notice do a poem month of dinners. That's Mom. Yeah, and it helps a child with their education. It keeps them in school a bit longer. So yeah, it's good. You've said quite a few times and you know, you are a mum to and you'd do anything for your girls and I've seen you know, that they've even well your eldest has got involved with running as well, which is amazing. And she said the whole parkrun hasn't she she's done part one a few times and we actually went for a walk in the more than Hills this afternoon and my youngest managed to put her hand in poo like in dog poo like within Kids of being up on the trail. So my husband quickly running back down to the like the public toilets to wash your hands and and whilst we were waiting my eldest and Mommy give me your watch I want to do some right I want to do some running so she just ran back and forth as fast as she could and she just loves it and she and then we were walking off so I'm going to go run on the trails and she just jogs off down the trails and yeah, she really enjoys it and then we ran down the hill and she loved that. She's had her arms out. So he's flight we're flying we're flying and it it's I love seeing that it's that's what's really nice is when you see kids enjoying what you love. Yeah, that's really nice like at Park when there's always kids at part friend isn't there and it's really it's really nice. I'd love to see more of them when you see a whole family down there together. It's really nice. It's just you and your volunteering you cheer them on you give them a high five and yeah, they love it. It's yeah, it's nice to see kids involved in running and it's just so good for them. It sets them up for life. I wish I'd done. So go so unhealthy How would how do you manage to juggle your busy family life with your work and your own personal goals and you're running obviously training now towards the marathon and race to the Tower. I'm very very lucky in that. I've got a very supportive husband who also likes to run so he gets it. So when I was training for the tower last year we before I signed up we obviously we sat down with a conversation and and because he'd he he's done long distances like the running to to Birmingham he knew what was going to be evolved. He sort of said, it's fine if this is what you really want to do, I'll support you as long as I can still have my Thursday nights bike was like, yeah, of course. So yeah, we just support each other and I do a lot of my my training and my lunch hour. I'm really lucky that where I work. I'm near a gym so I can punch the gym as much as I love the gym. I have to go because you know, if you don't do your strength training you get injured like I did and yeah do a lot of it in my lunch. I was a do a lot of it after the girls are in bed. I've tried to be a morning Runner before people get up. I really really tried that and occasionally, I really enjoy it but more often or not. My snuggly warm bed is where I want to be with a cup of tea, but I think I might have to try and do that a bit more especially training for London the yeah. I just you just fit it in where you can date you I guess lunch hours. And I know there's a lot of people that do they run to work to do like a run commute, which is probably something I'll try doing. I just means I have to be very organized with making sure I've got the clothes and shampoo at work. So I can have a shower and make myself look presentable not have to run with a bag full of stuff. Yeah, but yeah, I guess it's just about being organized and if you're lucky enough to have people around you that are supportive of what your dreams and goals and things are hmm. Then that's how we've made it work. Lots of brownie points are earned between the two of us. I'd say what and yeah run commute with Daphne good idea and you're right. So very lucky that you've got the gem right on your doorstep to do that. Yeah lunch very lucky. Yeah, because it's hard for those like for example for myself like where I work. There isn't a shower so I wouldn't be able to have much time. Yeah, I guess that's nuts. Yeah, I guess that's what people get up and run first thing in the morning. Yeah. Yeah and then can get ready and go. Yeah Tom. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, especially now coming into the winter. Yeah, because you know, you said you'd sometimes train after the gills of gone to bed. You know, would you will you find yourself doing that and the winter evenings start? I think so. Yeah, so I run with my club in the summer. I I'll run it with six. It's light its name what have you but in the winter? I'll probably do a lot of running with my club black pair. Joggers just because it's safety in numbers, isn't it? And it's horrible is rubbish, but the you know, I'm a woman and I am well, yeah these things happen and that I hate that just because I'm a girl I have to consider these things, but well we all do it and I'm constantly telling people please make sure your Having bright clothes or got a lamp or something like that on a head torch or whatever. So people can see I see so many people running in dark clothes in the winter hat Slammer brakes on for some of the other day actually because they just literally just shot out in front of me and I we were just we were just we just turned off the main road and I was coming kind of starting to go up our road and someone just shot out in front of me and I was just so why do people wear dark clothes you can't see them. So there's that element. So yeah, I would running running with other people through the winter because I was pretty lonely isn't it a voice but in the winter when you can we have no views. Yeah, the winter so hard is that we just so much easier to motivate be motivated in the spring and in the summer for yourself like for anyone training for a spring Marathon. A lot of the bulk of training is done through winter winter evenings morning's and it's a lot darker and colder. So yeah you like what or who keeps You inspired under-motivated that hopefully be able to help you through this one phase. Well, I think so since I've when I finished the tower I didn't then have a plan for anything and I think that's really sort of made me realize I needed. I'm the kind of person I need to have a plan so have been accountable to somebody and know what It is I've got to do that day that I think that's going to really motivate me because at the minute I go out. I'm I mean this week. I haven't really run a talk when I haven't been at all this week because I've had I've got the start of a cold coming and it's very easy just to go I don't want to but actually that's probably very sensible thing to do but actually over the last couple of months. I've not been I did that half marathon. I did really hardly any training for it, which is really stupid really tough to go to not do any training for that kind of Studs but it's because I had no plan and I've just sort of bumbled along through the side which actually been quite nice on the other hand is that it's just running for the joy of running and not having a goal or any of that but with something like London, I know for me to stay motivated. I need to have a plan and then it's the other people around me. The the Instagram Community is just it's something else. I've met so many incredible people on there. I'm inspired daily. Every time I click through my phone. There's another you know, there's something else in there and wherever that someone smashing out like like Jordan with her but in her efforts out in the desert just recently that was just incredible. She's that girl is so talented and she works so hard and then and then I've got how's that start--just starting they're running journey and that inspires me. Just as much so I just love I love meeting new people. I'm meeting my friend Katie different Katie. She's she was Kitty, but she's now Katie runs rides. Matt had met up with her in the summer. And that was so nice to meet her because like we chatted over Instagram and then we've actually booked to do a Maverick race in the in the new year which were really excited about along with a couple other girls lady called Jex and then another A lady called Natty and I just I'm so excited we've set up a little what's that booth? And and then I'm meeting meeting up with a girl called tizzy and Becker as well and we're going to go Open Water swimming together and it's like meat see what following these people and then meeting them in real life. That's what motivates me as well because it's so exciting. I love meeting new people and hearing their stories and seeing how what they achieve and like biggie be Cheerleading yeah that yeah and a going and watching events and and volunteering at things like parkrun and and seeing people achieve what it is. They've set out to do whether that is, you know, running a park being the winner of part run and smashing and getting a new PB or or taking your kid out for the first time or part run or just doing your very first part one or actually just getting out there and just running part one and just enjoying it that that's what Buyers me. It's just yeah mix of the elites and the athletes and and we'll athletes out my in the and the US everyday Runners. Yeah. Yeah couldn't agree with you more. Yeah, you got a lot of things coming up which wouldn't which of the Maverick races you do it and so it's the one in Fabrics. It's a it's a it's in the dark, which is really scary. So I hear there's bears and and And wolves and things it's it's somewhere in Oxfordshire. I don't really know many of the details all I know it's it's one of their dark in the dark races, which look they've I think they've just started doing them for this season and I've seen a few pictures go off on Instagram. It looks like so much fun and they will have pizza and beer and stuff at the end. But I did a local dark room like through the forest. This winter while last winter and it was so much fun because like run I love riding the trails. But the trail in the dark is just that's something else. That's because you can only see what's just in front of you with your headlamp and you hear the sounds but then you can hear whoops and cheers and from other pop, you know parts of the trail where you can hear the other Runners and that's quite a and also the other good thing is you can't see how big the hills are which is always a bonus. Yes, I'm really really looking at something different with one person. I've met once before and to other people who have chatted to three a long time over it on Instagram, but never ever met so I'm really excited. And yeah, we're gonna go and have a girly weekend away with no cocktails. And yeah and no no dancing or any lights is gonna be fun on the trails and pizza and loads of mud glorious not So fun. Yeah. Yeah. What Carly what would you say is your real reason for running your as I like to call it to a hashtag why I run my hashtag would be a very very very very very long last. I've got loads of reasons that I run. It's not just one One Singular thing. I run because I enjoy it for most I do. I love running. I love the feeling that it gives me when I finished it, especially when I really can't be bothered to go out and then I go and do it and I yeah, that's a really as I said bottling it that feeling meeting new people. Just my kids fact that my eldest is really enjoys it as well and just seeing her loving it and yeah all they all. Things about my husband when we had Heidi our youngest he started running then like really getting into running and seeing what he achieved that really inspired me. And I think that's what sort of made me think. Maybe I could give this a go as well. And yeah all the friends that I've met through this community and I guess but at the minute my biggest reason to run his is my father-in-law, he's he's my Mo he's you know, he's got terminal cancer. It sucks. But he is the most positive person and he just gets on with life and he's like, yep got cancer, but I'll get it had my chemo but we crack on with life we take with but keep putting one foot in front of the other and we get on with it and we don't sweat the small stuff. And yeah, so he's my reason at the minute my biggest reason at the minute. But yeah, I have lots of reasons. But yeah at the moment it's him. What was your father-in-law called? Stave and what goes in cookie cookie cookie? Yeah. Yeah for the in prison especially as you said earlier, like just how positive he is. Just like the really of how we met. I mean, he's consultant said to him Surah now going off at a tangent but his consultant said that the cancer had the cancer. He's got his very very rare and he said to be honest you probably should have died a long time ago, but you're still here and I and I think like that intrigued him and we're all convinced. It's because of his positive outlook on life. He's not that it's like he's got a cold he's had enough. It's not mine flu, he's got he's like if he was me and he was a runner and I'm like, I've got a cold this week. I don't feel very well. He'd still be out smashing an ultramarathon. He's just got that kind of attitude to life. He he yeah, it's incredible and it's inspiring and it and he's just very yeah. He's amazing and I think straight people sorry. So no, sorry you carry on you. Now you saying I wish more people could somehow I wish I could bottle his attitude. Yeah and give it to people Yeah, Mmm Yeah five. I know. I was just going to say this even more amazing how people are going to want black. Yep. I'm going to join you on your 12 Day Marathon because Steve Brilliance for cookie cookie, Bob. Yeah. Another good question, but what because you've known quite a few so I'm intrigued to know this. What is the best thing that runs brought to your life? maybe freedom not happy. Yeah, because Yeah, I never used to think I could do. I was good at stuff. I still have that feeling I'm not very good at stuff. And then when I do these events, I'd sometimes have a bit of I mean the fact that you want you want ya doing this podcast on my imposter syndrome big style, but when I'm out running, it's just me at my most. I'm actually I'm with someone else running but you know, yeah, it's me. It's my run and it's It's no one can take that away from me and I'm out there and whether it's just a little tunnel along the river near where I live or up in the mob and Hills or in blinking long mend in Shropshire will cut. So I mean, I'm not I've not running big beautiful cities or or Adventures around the world and you know along the I don't know Appalachian Trail in America or anything. I mean, I would absolutely love to that would be incredible but at the moment I Have responsibilities here. So they can't do things like that. But one day but it I'm just a normal Runner, but I just I love the feeling it gives me and the sense of achievement you get after a run whether it's for an event or just going out and just doing a quick little one or two miles. I like that feeling and it's that feeling of freedom and you're in control. Does that make sense? Yeah, totally. I also really love the community. It's given me the people. I've met through it. Yeah. Brilliant and do you want to happen to have a favorite uplift uplift in on motivational phrases and wide like keeps you going during tough times? Yeah, so I read a book by a lady called Mimi and Anderson and she she came to running quite late on in life, and she had a severe eating disorder when she was younger. And even into when she became a mum when she was a bit older and in her husband's of helped her through that with a lot of help and support from obviously professionals and what have you but she she wrote this book about how she came to running and she she I think she just ran like a first half marathon or maybe a first something like a first 10k of never run further than a half marathon. She started off running in her gym on the treadmill and then she did the the the marathon Marathon disturb the one through the desert with two of her girlfriends and at the end of it they finished they cross the line like this purple sparkly dresses and has since then she's gone on to to win and achieved some incredible events that she's she's run from John o'groats to Land's End and she held the record for a very I think it's only recently been broken the women's record. And then she ran across America. She's run the Arctic or Antarctic one of those polar cap math and things she's done. It's incredible what she's achieved and throughout it all in in her book when she when she was training for the marathon disarmed this first big event having only one half of my return. I remember reading his these words and it said how will I know if I don't try and that just really stuck with me so How we when people sell know I could never be a runner. I can't run a mile that alone 50 miles or whatever it is. How you know, if you don't try and you know, he I say to my kids, how are you know, you don't like that Sprout if you don't try it and I kind of like the same thing. You don't know unless you try you might really like it and you might find you're really good at it or might find you hate it but you won't know unless you try and I think that's that's I think we can apply that to. And things in life. Yeah. Yeah. That's my that's the one when it gets tough. How do you know if you don't try just got to keep trying one foot in front of the other so it's a fantastic book. You should read it if you haven't made me understand this book. Yeah, it's very good. I've definitely heard of here. So I'll have to check that. Yeah. Yes. I think it's on Instagram as well. So you can you can have a look for her on there. She's someone that you should interview on your podcast. Yes get her she would be artists. Dorothy would tell you I bet would be incredible but I was actually that's one of the that's one of the questions. Who would you love to hear on this podcast was going to be D. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's a couple of others I'd say I would definitely say lady called Ralph Berlin. So she she's on Instagram and she's honest quite big on Twitter as well. She she's one of Chris Cooper. Business partners for runners hail and she's just done a run 600 Days running. She's still going run streak but her her passion for runners Hill to be a success and her dedication to it is just phenomenal and she's but she's such a nice person really really genuine really supportive and she's she's really good friends with Alistair Jones, you know the guy who writes all the running it Runners poems. Yes. She's really good friends with him and she's helping him launched his business as well. She's just she can she can just see an idea and she just makes it Sparkle and yeah, she's she's amazing. I love I love Ralph. I'd also say Mel Mel bound from this mum runs so I know Mal through Friend of mine and we went I went to my friend's hen do probably about seven or eight years ago. Now, I think it was when I was proud. I was just pregnant with my eldest are me and I met Mal there because they'd gone to UNI together and Mal was just toying with the idea of setting up her own business. She worked for the agency. She's toying with the idea of setting up their own business or going freelance or something like that and then about a year old. Maybe 18 months later. She put this post out on Facebook seeing if anybody wanted to go meet up and go for a run with her and from that she's launched this mum runs, which is this incredible community of mums. Who run that and she's I think they're in Bristol London bath, but they've got a global Community as well. And the idea is that it's just about getting mums who who may be used to run or fancied having a go at it. But it's very much about that. I don't see myself as a runner. But Mao is you are you put your trainers on you've turned up your hair and you're doing it and and her dedication to making sure that every woman every mum think knows that she can be a runner as she is a runner and they ran these they've got these really cool sweatshirts that have all these really cool slogans on like I've got one that says run Marley cake, but they did this campaign where it was runners run a full stop. Pop you know, you were saying about earlier on how so many people just think that they're not a runner or white. I'm not a fast runner. I'm not a runner right? I don't run very far. I'm not a runner mouths like no. No you are you've got your trainers on your hair. You've turned up you're doing it. Look at you running and she's she's very very passionate about that and she's so that was five years ago and it's now this incredible incredible community and I'm a massive fan of this one runs and I think Mal would be really interesting interview and and yeah, yeah so she'd be awesome. So it smells the Heinz the Spellbound her name is Yaya and behind this mum runs. Well, I didn't know that but I didn't know who run it. So that's really interesting. Thanks for that. Yeah. Yeah brilliant. So John, what are we I've just got to let go back and make a list and make this list. My safe because I've had so many recommendations is trying to get round getting around everyone getting the tire but it's good because someone them one of my friends who I think I mean she's recently started running, but she asked me what don't you like run out of people to interview and I was like no massive. I don't think I've ever run out of people to interview the podcast because there's so many people out there. This is the only people with interesting stories, isn't that yeah, which is great. Most stories are normal people like, you know, you interviewed James the other week the yes morning coffee and his stories and I love his story and he was just so he's just a regular guy like the rest of us face just doing incredible things and he like I think he's got that same attitude. He you know, you just give it. Well. Yeah, see if you can that's one thing like a little training interviewed like an array of gas, but I do like interviewing people like me people like you your everyday Runner Like that, do do those additional, you know, raising money or causes or have crazy accomplishments. They might you know be a writer or you know, they've got a hustle on the side of the main job, but the everyday run it's that that because when I used to listen to when I wear I still do when I'm listening to run and podcasts. I love listening to the everyday Runner as well as the elite athlete because they are so relatable. There's a lot to take away from it and actually Those Elite athletes all came from being a yeah. Well most of them unless I guess they were childhood stars. But even then they still were normal people excited. They're still normal people. They're just they've just found something. They're really really good at yeah, you know that guy who run that sub two hour marathon. He's just a normal guy. You know, it just smashes out a sub two hour marathon. That was he the man to watch He's My who's this but I mean, is it was it his he says He really cool friends that he has his house. Like he's only as good as like like something to do with his team. So I guess not. It's not just him. It's no yes. Yeah, and he like when he's out in his camps when he goes away. He's very much like Hands-On like, you know, like because he's if you think about it, he's an elite athlete. He sponsored he gets money, but he doesn't like he doesn't just because he's trying to do this Mission this project and he's Money or you know it gets this sponsorship. He won't say. Oh I can't you know, I can't help with the cooking and the cleaning like he's not back works hard. Oh, yeah. Yeah and it's his attitude. He's just he he is really grateful like every minor thing in life. Yeah. Well, he knows he's got to work. He's got to work hard at it and it is a team effort. Hmm. And yeah that that's equally as an inspiring. It's the it's the The full mix isn't it? It's the was it a smorgasbord will mix all the cheese is please yeah. But final question for you, if you could give others listening three tips to get in started in running or to like further their distance because perhaps some people are listening they've started running but they're not quite you know, they haven't quite caught up to that 10K or half distance or Ultra. Maybe what advice would you give people? I would definitely advise don't don't perhaps don't do what I did and go from a 10K to an altar and six months because I got lots of injuries from that. I was a bit silly. So I've learned my lesson, but what I would say is actually don't worry about the distance the way I trained for it was about it was just time on feet. So, you know how you get a couch to 5K that feels like a big task to get to 5K, but if you say I'm just going to Run for 30 minutes, or I'm just actually even right back to the start. I'm just going to run for a few minutes. Mmm, and then I walk for a bit and then I run for it if you do it that way and it's the same from starting from scratch having never run. Are you run for a few minute or a minute and then you walk for a bit and you run from it. It's the same when you're building the distances or it was for me anyway, and I found that rather than saying right. I'm going to go and run once I don't like the Half Marathon distance is what I'm going to go and run. 15 miles I'm going to what I actually did was right. I'm going to run for two and a half hours now and see how far I can go and it but there wasn't it was just a see how far I can go. It wasn't I'm going to get to this distance and there were definite like distance goals as I got further in but when I was starting out with it was just about time on feet and building that up. Otherwise, I think it's too it's too big. It's far more achievable to say what I'm going to run for 30. Wouldn't it be great if I can run for 30 solid minutes rather than I'm going to run 5k because actually everyone runs at a different pace and that's actually that is okay to run at a different pace because we're not all fast Runners and we're not also run as we run at our own pace. And so that would be you wanted three a tip number one would be that yeah, try to Trails definitely try the trails. If you've never run on the trails before go out and find your local Trails because and that's not necessarily up some big mountains. That might be your local wood or it might be if you've got a common near you it might be that it's it's it's so nice. It's springy underfoot on a trail and the views are beautiful and Nature's there and you can stop and have a little snack and look at the view. The trails are just there's something very very special about the trails. If you have got a hill or a mountain near you and you know your way around it or you can find someone that knows their way around it then yeah go and go and experience that but yeah, it's I love I love trail running if you think that road running is I don't want to run cause I don't like roads. It's too hard maybe go and try the trails because yeah, just yeah, I love them and then tip number three. Oh I get well, this is my health and safety head. I'm such a worrier. Tell someone where you going. Yeah, always tell someone where you're going and roughly how long you think you'll be because there's yeah you could fall over and hurt yourself and be stuck and have smashed your phone and you can't get back. So, you know, and there's all worse things than that, but just make sure you let someone know we got especially now it's getting darker and yeah, yeah health and safety. That's a great one. We haven't had one yet. So I love you actually all three of those. I think you've you've yeah, three of those are three brand-new running tips that I love good. Good good. Oh, thank you so much for taking the time today to chat with me. And for what? Yes. I'm very sad that you don't do your little quiz anymore. Ah, yes. I be meeting of your kind sap back. Should I do a makeshift one really quickly? I'm going to be hard because I haven't made it. So like I'm gonna be like thinking as hard as you are. Okay, 5K or Ultra 5K at the moment peanut butter sandwich or jelly babies or peanut butter sandwich pre-race meal or post-race Neil post-race meal every time. Beer or wine wine crisps or chips tips winter will summer run in Winter. I think back after the Marvin training. I know yeah, that's me getting an achievement running with friends or running with music. Oh running over friends. Yeah. Yeah. Early morning or late evening run evening. race or training Race, I think yeah. Yeah and the thrill boiling boiling hot or freezing cold Rod freezing cold. So that was quite good considering out too quickly think that off. Bring yeah, what was funny was who it was John wasn't it? Wasn't it? John who did it to me at the end of the podcast? Yeah. Yeah. That was funny. Yeah, that's great. I think maybe that's what you should do. You should ask your guests to bring a quiz question for ya. Yeah. There we are. We'll do that don't know you yet has to be spur of the moment. You're not allowed to pre know the question. Just just a normal just any kind of question, but with like a one or the Other answer yeah. Yeah, you know new content a copy what I do for a living like thank you for your time Carlo. No, thank you so much. Thank you. Yeah, thank you for letting us Betty. Let me hop on about child a massive. Thank you so much. You're welcome. Just tell everyone where they can go and follow you over on Instagram yet. So I am girl run the shires that was girl underscore run underscore the Shire so It worked. Thank you faculty see Granny face. Thanks so much for having me. Bye. Bye. Bye. Thank you guys so much for joining today and listening to not another Runner podcast. Please tell your friends and family who you think would enjoy the content. I'll be sharing. Don't forget you can get in touch with me over on Instagram by another Runner. Let me know your thoughts on the Pod casting suggestions on guests or topics. This is greatly appreciated. Send me your questions through as well if you want and use the hashtag white I run to be featured and hey, if you can't hit subscribe to the podcast, this will really help me to be able to give you more. Thank you. You again and remember when you get up and exercise or go for a run. You've never regret going, but you always regret not go in. Have a great week guys and speak soon.

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Now let the every time this music every time I love it ladies gentleman walking Bachelor after show here and AfterBuzz TV. If this is your guys first tuning in we are your official weekly recap show on AfterBuzz talking all about our guilty pleasure and favorite reality TV. Franchise The Bachelorette only on ABC not always be cam because we have a special fate for him coming up later in the episode guys. My name is Jeff Graham. I'm so excited to be here today. I'm not alone. I am joined by Renee Ariel. Hello, you guys love you Applause audience out there. We also have Michael feeling reality TV extraordinaire. Hey, what's up? What's up guys? Glad to be back. And I'm going to say Insider T Spiller Christina Lex. That's how I would describe you. I'm so here for that. What's up guys? I'm so into this energy tonight Ryan in the booth. I'm going to shattered our producer Ryan. He's just killing it in there Ryan. We love it. I think we also got some sound drops this week if it It comes up if I were to say something like I'm concerned. Oh, we're getting the soundboard pull up. I'll make sure to throw to it later Ryan so that they can see your hard work. We are not only covering the episode today guys. We do have a ton of thoughts on what we saw but we also have some special segments. We got some really hot tea this week in terms of news and some predictions as well. So we're going to a right now Mike we were not sitting with you in the trailer. So I want to hear your overall thoughts on the episode before we get into it. I liked it. You know, I feel like a broken record and I say the same thing. Every episode we're here but I like Hannah more and more and more. I was a big fan of her on her original Bachelor season. I really like her on her Bachelorette season. I'm enjoying it. Yeah, Renee what you think I was living for this episode. I actually enjoyed both group dates so much and I like that this season they're actually trying new things and I think they're doing a great job sometimes a little over produced but great job agreed. This was a knockout episode for me and really quick. I Shout out to everybody who is in our watch along. We love you guys. Thanks for tuning in with us and watching just how cringe-worthy everything was for us in real time. There were a lot of moments which will get to later. Yeah, I think a lot of personalities this season and a lot of just like it seems like dudes who are operating on a different social Paradigm than other dudes from other Seasons. Yeah, like it's really weird that the choice is these guys are making its kind of unprecedented how insistent and persistent. These guys are in a way. That just is very uncomfortable but makes for great TV. Really? It's Evie. I liked it. I thought it was really good. And I'm enjoying the dates as well. Speaking of let's go and start with this first group date. It's all themed around maternity. We have Jason Biggs and Jenny. Mollen Renee. I love Jenny mollen. I interviewed her. She's very talented. She wrote one of my favorite books, which is I like you just the way I am. She's hilarious. Yeah, I there's Bachelor superfans, right? Yeah. Yeah, both of them. They watch it together. We feel like they were well incorporated into the episode whenever they have celebrities like that it I feel like it's weird. Yeah, it's cheesy like cool. Thanks for introducing the best as we know who set up. I wonder what we're going to be doing today after they literally demonstrated. They did they came in they demonstrated a pregnancy and a live birth. And everyone was like, I don't know what the dates wheel where we going celebrity guest. It's becoming really useless even last week with Miss J. I mean, he was one of the judges but we don't really hear from them. Yeah. I was kind of silly. I think it speaks to the strength of the Season though that even though they have celebrity guests. They kind of fall to the Wayside because what that means is we're actually here. Or the TV, you know, we're not necessarily here for the celebrities. So that's a good sign about the season. Sure. Did you guys all know that a placenta was the first organ? That's grown the new organ that's grown after conception. Yes. Yes, we're all gonna die, but I didn't think it was a uterus as a I think that was I ever see you said that favorite labor pains reaction from these guys. Oh my God, John Paul Jones. Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. And we all saw it coming to her like oh, yes. Let's see how he reacts and it was just as good as I thought well, he was scrunched up before they even put those pads on him at all. I'm Gonna Save close second for me is going to be Tyler see just because Homewood could not get out of this post was great what height into it? What was that for iTunes listeners? I'm trying my best to imitate Tyler. See I was weird I strange. Can we have a quick conversation about Tyler see cuz I'm not really vibing with Tyler see I described him as the bully from High School like he bullied all the Gert the door. I almost said Geeks and I was trying to say dorks and gorgeous. Yeah. Yeah, he's giving people wedgies and is the vibe I get from Tyler. It's too laid-back. Yeah, it's too laid-back. And when I see people who are so super laid back like that it almost starts to come off like they don't really care and they're not really engaged in anything that they're doing and I kind of I don't get it. I don't get him some kind of like not my kind of people. Yeah, I don't know what his endgame is with that strategy. It's funny him and Luke are doing the exact opposite right now. Like Tyler's way too laid-back and Luke is like way too forward. Yeah, you need to relax. Do you think that he thinks the cameras are taking pictures and not just recording. It's a photo shoot. So let me just do my thing. Just FYI though. This is not HBO where there's like principal photography of your season care about like on camera. It's up trying to pose. It's not about you Tyler. It's just ice interesting rotor 13 in the chat says that he or she wrote her glad to have you went to Wake Forest with Tyler see and he was very nice at least in college. So it's pretty nice guy. He just comes across as kind of like narcissus like a little Zoolander to me. He's constantly posing and he always has a line and it's always really weirdly specific where he'll be like, you know, I just walk up and I see those dimples and I'm just like I'm here and we're going to paradise and I'm just like, what are you talking about? Right right and they're like little slogans every he speaks of Logan's. Yeah, like what they're not even normal slogans there were others like you don't buy it. You think it's all fake. I know personally and I did not like the move where he pulled back the I didn't like that either the football thing. What was that? I don't know but it just wasn't cool. He's just like so full of bits. I feel like I would get annoyed. Mmm being with that kind of person who just talks in this kind of other weird way and it's a little obsessed with himself and I don't know I'm hating on Tyler C. So if you guys like him, let us know it's almost like how I thought Hannah was in her Bachelor season, like, I don't think I knew the real hand of the whole time. I'm not sure I know the real Tyler. Because it seems like kind of a front just like I'll just chill all the time think it's that deep. Yeah, that's him. That's him. Really? It's what we I don't think there's anything more to that like I do I love him. No, I think he can get a little look much like the last episode when he like confronted camera followed came out. I didn't love the way he handled that so already I'm like, okay. He probably does get a bit not he doesn't have a temper, but I think you can be a bit. Mmmm. Well one when he's angry, but I do Other time I think he's just like hey, I'm hot. Yeah, I mean the guy poses 24/7 that's that's a lot of a lot of opinion in the chat. What are we guessing gar? He looks like an old man wearing young man Prosthetics is Tyler's Matthew Mcconaughey in Dazed and Confused. That's a good amount shade am yes. He I said this like last week to week gives me the vibe that he's just from a different decade like yeah, it doesn't fit what he's trying to do. Maybe it's the Lions. I don't know maybe yeah, I agree well. That's it. Let's continue talking about this group date. That's our thoughts on Tyler notable conversations during the cocktail party cam claims. He's had the least amount of time right from the start even though we know he's had a ton Tyler seat tries to call out cam by talking about first grade soccer. That's the kind of examples. I'm just like what style you see talking about, but the first real conversation. Yeah. I got them Jim. That was like, yes, and then I realized cam does not understand what he's talking about it all here. Like aha I get it. Yeah, and then Tyler said right. Yeah, it's like dude cam does not know what you're alluding to here. Well if with Cam this whole life, it's not an acronym that starts with a b and c. I think you're gonna get through not gonna get through. Okay, let's talk about Mike J though because Mike J really opened up here and what Renee pointed out that I really appreciated was that he opened up in a way that was actually relevant. A lot of times people will be like, you know, we were on a date today and it reminded me of when my grandmother got sick in Vietnam and you're just Like why but this actually was a labor-related day and he opened up about if you want to summarize for the fans are named. Yeah, for sure. No, I like the he was like well because we did this it reminded me of this and he just opened up about something very personal because I mean, I'm glad that we brought the whole pity date pity Rose into existence this episode because I feel like for us we all talk about the times that bachelors and bachelorettes give out pity roses. And I think now for the rest of the season it's going to set a standard. We're like, don't just tell me something because you want to Around and get a good at it like tell me something because you want to open up to me and connect which is what he did in that moment later. He was not the best but in that moment, I it's funny. First of all, how did everyone else feel about my J? I feel like I might have mixed thoughts on this compared to the rest of the panel. I still like my J. Yeah, I still agree with what we started out this season and he's a great candidate for the bachelor. I don't see him as a good match for Hannah. I like the story and I think you were talking strength. Great gameplay all these guys came into the season. They always come in knowing. Okay. I've got some sad story locked and loaded like they always tell some kind of Sabi story. It really worked for him this episode because he was just like Renee said you're able to slide it in and made a lot of contextual sense with what they were doing. So, I think it worked really really well for him as opposed to cam who came later with I got some really really important to tell you and it made no sense whatsoever. It was really strange and it kept building and you know, we'll get there. But yeah. Any of mine the irony of that whole situation was that Mike J was the one to kind of call him out on the sincerity of his story. Yeah, he shared arguably sincere story just before it's just interesting how they set that up. Here's what was it was weird about Mike J story. I really liked it. I thought it was very open and vulnerable with him. It didn't quite add up though. And maybe it was the way it was edited. He was saying very tragically he and his girlfriend lost their baby in the second trimester, but he was like, I was ready to get engaged but then that happened so the engagement broke off. And then he was like it was my fault. I wasn't there for her and I was like, you're the miscarriage was your fault. I just like the way it was edited II would be a little suspicious if I was like, huh? You were only going to get married because if she had the baby was that the only reason that's not what I took from it. Okay, we knew that I just I'll lead on this and say that I from the way he was talking about it. I won got the impression that he hadn't fully dealt with it yet just from the way he was maybe like you said the details didn't come across maybe as clearly there you It's obviously a very sensitive situation. I think he was also trying to be mindful of his ex. There's you're sharing something very very personal there. Yeah, and I what I got from it was the miscarriage must have just broken their bond and that's why they couldn't come to a marriage at the end of it. Maybe she was dealing with it differently than he was and when he said he wasn't there for her and maybe he just wasn't as understanding as he is now, it sounds like he was having a reflective moment of like I can't believe how hard that must have been and it affects where I'm at right now. That's where I got from it. I have a hot take go for it and just as kind of hitting me now. He's so he's the only one that brought up the whole pity Rose thing. Right don't you think it's a little suspicious that he told a story that was very serious and then he tried to call someone out for telling another serious story like stealing his Thunder. No because I think like for his mindset to be in the place of pity roses wouldn't you've already been thinking about that a little bit, you know what I mean? It was brought about a thin air if he'd seen the show if he hadn't seen the show. I do think it's a little it just content you ever smelt it dealt it. Yeah, I you know, it's like when for instance when your partner when you're cheating on your partner and you're constantly accusing them of cheating, that's the psychology man. It's I really like Mike Jeff. I just have to take my case clearly a front-runner. He's gonna be around and I just smell and we'll get to the Mike J situation later that I actually had a big problem with Yeah, Mike J. I came in here ready to propose to him. If it's he's been knocked down a few for me this episode by the main part of this story though was the fact that Kim interrupted four times and I was very impressed. By the way, Mike held his ground. He was a Class Act and the way he held his ground. Yeah, I could hardly sit through this. What did you guys think of this Interruption session? It was the most cringey moment of this episode. Yeah. I loved I loved how my Hold his ground and that's exactly what we've been saying over and over and over again that you have to do in these situations. Don't let cam just come in and take your time away stand up for it and you can see Hannah getting upset with it. And that's what you know as you're Mike. You're in the right saying no not ready not done yet. I he did a better job of reading his girl then Camden. Yeah. Yeah, the weird thing was I kind of wanted to see Hannah take more of a front seat here with both of these interruptions sessions because we got the other one later that I'm going to just go ahead and jump to now Camp finally gets his time. And then Jonathan the server actor comes in and he interrupts and it's very insistent. This was almost harder to watch for me. It was and I really did not like how he handled it. I thought it was way over the top. I mean God reader room you think that's going to make a Hannah like you right at some point. You have to be like, oh, you know what this guy is going to make a fool of himself already. I don't need to add to it and look worse because it was too much like they were Both walking her to the door. It was so uncomfortable and made me not like either of them. I already hated cam but like I wasn't feeling that for John but you see the upshot of the whole thing in the episode. They both go home at the end. So not good looks if I could really quick scoot back because I did want to mention something that I love ya was. I thought this was a textbook example of somebody taking her away. First thing perfectly was what Jed did really great suit in right off the bat got On one time they made out of bunch. They obviously had a lot of fun and I just thought it was fantastic textbook. Fantastic way to start out the group date private sessions. I forgot Jen and her did have a really nice connection and you know the other day I was walking through LA right downtown and a chicken nugget at me in the head. And now I finally know why that with you because there were thrown chicken nuggets out. And why is this at jokes? Why is this season not sponsored by somebody McDonald's KFC where everybody's got chicken nuggets easy. Just the producers just producing chicken nuggets constantly for them to snack on. So strange Katie Moore and from last season went on access lives the morning after Bachelor show with Ashley. I can Eddie and I forgot the other host, but she did mention that like chicken nuggets are totally Hannah's thing. That's like her favorite thing. And I guess it's your point. The producers are just taking that and running with it. But like it's not from thin air, the girl loves chicken nuggets. So it's really weird that like constantly coming up as a plot Point speaking of sponsors. 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Give us a big five star review. Leave us some comments. Let us know that you did you guys are our extended panel. We love interacting with you and thank you so much for making us the ESPN of TV talk. All right, we've got to move on but any last thoughts about Out group date one or cocktail night one. Alright, let's go to my quick Mike Johnson got the rose. Yes. He really did his story the right way. Like we said it made contextual sense and he did a great job. Good game moves from my Johnson in this first half of the episode. I think there's a new dream boat in the cast and his name is Connor. So Connors excited to potentially go sailing with Hannah. But Hannah I guess passed out. I will say I feel like on some level we were given a lot of information this episode and on some we weren't they were So vague like what happened? We also care about Hannah. I know didn't just say she just got dehydrated. I was like, he's just dehydrated she woke up dizzy and she got fluids and how sure that's what it was. There could be a lot of reasons but I think it's extra suspicious that they didn't tell us exactly what happened because they love that kind of drama. They did. Yeah, they would have been like, okay, here's a here's a 30 minute special extended episode to explain exactly why Hannah ended up in the hospital. That is what the bachelor would I'd do but they did nothing they explained know if I did throw a little shade. I wonder if maybe Han is a bit delicate because she did refer to going to the hospital like three times throughout the rest of the episode. And yeah, you might be the kind of thing. We're not every Bachelor would have gone to the hospital in this situation, but maybe I'm just being shady here. I don't know you guys think or maybe hot springs in the shade, I guess. Yeah. My resolve was that maybe there's just more drama worthy. Things are going to make us pay attention to later you like they're just edit their really trimming the fat on this one. Yeah. It's weird. This is pretty thin. Yeah, either way Connor gets the chance to instead of going sailing You could argue he gets an upgraded date and just to spend time and Hannah's bed in her hotel room nursing her back to health. That's a nice way to quickly swoop your way into a woman's heart. It's to take care of her while she's sick. Oh, absolutely. I think Connor one the eyes of the two ladies on our panel this episode Christine. What did you think of Connor and Hannah's one-on-one? I was feeling it. I see your point. I thought it was great that they kind of skipped the the shenanigans. Hands of a normal one-on-one date and to be honest the last few that we've seen kind of bored me to tears the one-on-ones the group dates have been so much more interesting. So it was refreshing to see this very unique one on one which I believe we said was maybe a bachelor first. Have we seen the lead just take a sick day essentially and you know, just chill out in bed. I thought it was really cool. I thought it was a realistic date something I totally want a guy to do for me and even the Post-it notes that he left on his way out. I thought honestly we're a really nice touch and it could have In corny, but it was it was very spot on I enjoyed it. Yeah, I really liked him a lot and I'll tell you why. So first of all, I really like that he opened up about his parents marriage and how they've been together because as you see is very observant and he has a relationship to look up to and I do really like that on top of that. I love that the he didn't want the letter to be read out loud. You know what that means is he's not he didn't write it for the show. So he look good on TV. He wrote that for Hannah and I like you later and on top. That he was so thoughtful to come up with like the Post-it notes that the yet like he's a little cutie and I think he's truly there for the right reasons supposed to know things work like guys hundred percent the soundboard Post-it notes or like little what do you call it? A treasure hunter whatever you scavenger hunt thing always works very smooth. Very good. Let's say if I had one to pick with Connor, there's a bit of a like being stressed out for the date element. But at the same time you got some Tyler going. Yeah, Tyler, but he's the good version of a chill bro. I feel like Tyler is putting like on a show. Whereas I do think Connor truly just talks like that. You know, what were you guys bothered by Tyler's little speech para Conor speech patterns at all. I was even though I know I just, you know sung his Praises definitely still enjoy the date, but Connor as a person I still feel is pretty basic. So maybe guy basic comes off a little guy basic. I still don't see him as Hannah's guy, but I think she will enjoy getting together. I know him. Hey man, Hannah G would be a terrible date to watch. Yeah, it's true and we imagine that's yeah, actually that's they're both great people who maybe rely on their other half to be the extroverted component of their relationship. Sure. It's good point. I God is great. I think he's a nice guy and I think he's got good intentions. I also agree that he seems to be here for the right reasons and he was really thoughtful with what he did. He's doing good and he was rewarded for it at the end of the night Hannah came back. She came through took him on a date. They had a really cute little private. Sir, the driver to by the way later on in there like hey guys, where's Connor? That guy? That's awesome. He was excited. Here's exciting exact moment. Yeah, cool. He did a couple knows kisses which Renee like, oh my God. You guys are so cute. I liked that. He didn't make any kind of deal or at least we didn't see it any kind of deal about not getting a rose at her hotel room. Yeah because in his mind before the limo Driver came you would think he probably thought that's it. That was his date and he made no like hot and humid. There was even a Rose Garden even get a shot. You know, my soul had a was mess up like briefly that it flew by me some but I liked it. He was just cool and it looked like just go and spend time with her get to know her and actually have a date don't worry about the Roses because it's going to come it's good point. I chose security. I think that not all the other guys have Okay. So this next part of the episode was brought to us, very blatantly by The Secret Life of pets to have we In quickly and integration this intensely promoted in the show before who cares is so cute. I don't care. I love all the Cycles. Yeah the food looks good. First we thought we were going to be doing a salacious photo shoot with models and it turns out that they're adorable farm animals. So you like the day Mike. I loved it. Yeah, I because it's so I thought the animals are super fun. I love all the animals. I like seeing but you know, it's creative. It's something different for sure. I thought you would have liked it because your girl Demi was here again. Whoa. I would not even dare ya every episode with Demi is a great episode Miss didn't we didn't hurt ya Love Dem ya do you think this segment worked? Well with Demi snooping on the guys know because nothing happened so there was no I really was hoping someone was gonna take the bait maybe a little too obvious that you're sitting down and makeup and the makeup girl is just all over you, you know, yeah kind of obvious. 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I feel like okay and I said, I think it's so interesting that they're now like incorporating Demi and friends like to do these tests throughout the season. I mean, I wonderful get it again. I don't think it was produced that well because I think that they like didn't figure out the situation where each guy could be in the makeup room or each guy could be by that animal Handler or whatever because it Like only the four guys were the ones that were picked to be watched on camera and also felt like so it wasn't produced well enough where I don't think they really thought about the details there just like I'll be funny like Demi will say some commentary about and we'll get you know what I mean? Yeah versus like actually trying to make this a test. But that being said it was over produced in the sense where they were like who secret spy mission like the music and stuff. That was her having Mike. Yeah and that room when it was just them to I don't get it. I didn't get that at all. He's like, what's that sound? I think I'm gonna marry Hanna so it kind of made me laugh. I was sort of silly never produced but I don't know. I thought it brought a little bit of like levity to the episode and it's fair there was enough in this episode that I didn't really mind it. Let's talk about Luke though because he this is beginning the beginning of his unraveling. He cannot handle this photo shoot and especially during the Peter of it all. We got a lot of close ups we could see loon Luke's brain. Just breaking in front. This was crystals bowling situation. Oh my God. Yes. That is when she's sick. Yes, that's good. Let's go and just talk about the Luke P of it all because this leads us into the cocktail party Mike. You have an interesting take on loopy that you were telling me a bit before we went on air. Oh, no, what did I say? You were thinking maybe Hannah was a little unfairly. I did. Thank you. Yes, I was surprised at how hard she put it down on Luke. When it ostensibly seems to me like what we've seen it's not that bad. It didn't seem. Oh hang on it to me didn't seem outrageously overly aggressive versus somebody like cam. She hasn't set cam down and been like yo, chill out. Has she I have a respond when here I mean, he basically to me it looked like he went up and did an extra little photo thing with her on his back doing push-ups and he was a little Alpha and a little Greta. I'm And it was right but I just didn't think it warranted how much she shut him down. Tell me something Have you ever observed him when he is called down to get a rose and sure single week. He puts his hands on both of the shoulders of the guys in front of him and kind of pushes them to the side. He has no respect for other people in the house when it comes to like displaying his affection for hand in front of them to make them jealous the way he like steals her away first. He like is always trying to show off even the way When Jed came in and the massage thing years ago, it wasn't what it was look like he knows what he's doing and he's okay and girls see through that cam is a moron not so fast. He was sent home tonight. He was never a front-runner like we see this as a strong connection. So if you if it is coming down to like a guy that you really like, right and he's acting in a way that is an honestly it's not little that's huge that says a lot about a person I would want to put down my foot and just as hard actually I'd send him home but It's that maybe maybe it's the combination of all of it because maybe cam wasn't a front-runner but he did get the first ever Rose. He was strong in the premiere in the first episode Rose because he rapped and she had five guys to pick from he was strong in the first episode 2. I think he was strong in the Premier. Look, I mean pilot Pete made out with her in front of everybody on the photo shoot right in a different way though. It wasn't like a hey that's I mean that's kind of showing off. They were going at it in in the photo shoot. In front of in the middle of everybody else. That's pretty bad. That's pretty blatant to but it's all about how you do it. Like you can get away with more it is like the way Luke P comes across forces pilot PE. Look I'm not I don't like Luke. I'm not a fan of Luke. I just thought it seemed a little out of place and maybe it's a I'm not taking all the different episodes together. It seemed out of place for her to be like you gotta stop and I thought Kim is coming here every 10 seconds when you already told him to go away, but she tells him like You more a few more minutes or we're busier whatever. She says to cam till I will say it was like, okay back to the Pete versus Luke P She also brought peas like arrogant like Pete doesn't come across arrogant or any other bad traits that she listed. I don't think like it's even in comparison. I to be honest. I don't think anyone's on the level of Luke p with how he's been acting cam is a different breed cam is is Chris from we talked about those Chris from Becca season where he like doesn't really get it except the crispy and farther that I thought we were deals. Oh, yeah true with Crystal. I will see what this whole Loop pecan thing. I for one I will say just to give Hannah some credit here. She's got a lot of fires to put out at once. I think she started with Luke and then eventually made her way to Camp to kind of tell them both to chill. They were the two contestants who needed a timeout the most this episode and to Renee's Point as well. And to what you said like, we've only seen little bits of Luke and you didn't think it was enough but I think we were we were made so uncomfortable by what we've You already on screen imagine all the Vibes and things that he's giving off off screen that we haven't even seen. I think that in combination with everything else his red flags of telling him that telling her that she loved her early on. I think Hannah was just like all right. I need to nip this now because it's only gonna escalate talk about what that yeah, let's talk about Hannah said because I was kind of astounded by what an intense 180 she had to take it you could argue that her and Luke in terms of the history of this franchise have one of the most passionate early Sparks of the show that a ton of Chemistry really intense physical and seemingly emotional connection and for her to completely flip the 180 here all of the chemistry between the two of them. It's completely sucked out of the room. She was not feeling him at all and what she said I have it written down is something. Oh Luke P stole the connection in a negative way. It's a fine line between really attractive and the most unattractive thing I've ever seen. So I think Luke is really digging his own grave here like my takes a little different. I actually don't know if he's necessarily like Some dude in the bad way. I just feel like he's kind of immature. He's acting the way like a high school sophomore would act when he falls in love with someone for the first time and it seems like his behavior is just childish rather than like toxic masculinity like the way he was like, can I just walk you to your dressing room? And I don't know I found that very toxic. I think you need to give her a moment to breathe you could see was on her face. Like wow. I just am going to walk myself to go change that five seconds that it's going to take me to get there. You think you're gonna get a really impactful moment with me. Like just chill play it cool. It's childish. And it's also controlling I wrote down that she said I want to call my own shots. Yes. So unattractive as a woman when you feel like the guy in the relationship is just stealing your autonomy, like telling you what to do in that way. It's never cool. I will give the opposite side of this and don't everybody come at me. Like I'm a loop Defender because I don't I don't like him. I don't think he's gonna make it very far. However, what you've said is bad there is also the opposite where he went. Into her what do you I forget to turn the itm right after and she loved it. Right? So this following her back to the dressing is a similar thing when they were making out in his shirt was obvious. She was super into it. He was being really aggressive now. He's really aggressive again, and she doesn't like it. So if he's not the sharpest person, he's not the best read to him. This might be the same stuff. He's still trying to be aggressive and Alpha and she's liked it in the past and now all of a sudden maybe it's a genuine surprise her him like Well, I thought I was just doing the same thing and you were gonna have the same reaction. Yeah, but there's always a time and place and it's all about balance like in life. You should know that in like your life. You shouldn't always be for instance. If you ask the guy out. The first time shouldn't be like and I'm going to do it the second time in the third time of the foot because he really liked it that once it worked at one time great, but like anyone's brain is like well if I keep doing this it'll keep working. I mean read a room and on top of that he even when she told him blatantly Hey, I'll come to you. Hey, I'll come to you he literally could not take not even hint a red flashing sign neon 200 feet. Tall saying stop. He just doesn't care. He look he's districts disrespect that I got nothing for that when she says go away. Then you just gotta go you've made your point in tried. Its it doesn't look great and it's just crazy to me you as a guy you've got to learn to listen. That's one of the most important ways to find a woman's heart, huh? He just was not not listening and he's really digging his own grave here. And I don't know I'm we're kind of watching him and plowed. He's saying he might leave he's one of the people that clearly just can't handle this process and the longer he sticks around the worse. It's going to get it's a little nerve-wracking and very unsettling as an audience member. He feels like a ticking Time Bomb. He literally said to the camera. I'm going to pretend she and say that like after they had that conversation like crazy. He completely is like if it doesn't fit his agenda, it's he just doesn't care and it obviously makes him do it makes him look like a one-trick. Me and he and if he thinks Hannah's going to be a one-trick pony and just respond to that same one move. Like you've got the wrong girl. I think I was really surprised. Nobody brought that up Jeff that he said I was thinking about leaving tonight. Yeah, normally that's an auto trigger for one of the other guys to run to Hannah and say hey did you know Luke said he was thinking about leaving tonight. He's really not that's almost an auto dealer right? I was very surprised good point. Yeah. Well, the rest of the group was pretty chill its kind of the carrots and the car and the it's a low-key group that That's true Peter Pilots more of a low-key guy. Yeah, I hope it didn't sound like we were defending loopy too much guys, but it's just interesting to offer multiple takes on this panels. I'd be very curious to hear what you guys think in the comments. They don't like him. Yeah. All right, we've got to move on because we have this crazy fourth Act of the episode which is during the canceled cocktail party. We have a tailgate party instead where I got the Mansion where they play cornhole is I guess that's tailgating tailgating is before a game. Yeah game. Party, Christine Christine, and I don't know about Mike but you're a sports buff. So I hope you weren't too offended by that idea of a tailgate, but that's fine. I just don't call the tailgate. Yeah, just thought it was an awesome party before the tailgate starts. The very first thing that cam says is I have a very very life-altering thing. I need to share with Hannah that could make or break our entire future simultaneously. We hear Hannah say I hope today is chill and locate that's when you know, you're in for some good television. Vision man, so cam steals hand away right away right away. What did you guys expect can was going to say I truly thought he might come out as transgender. I did not know what it was. Like he said it was a life changing thing that had almost ruined previous relation that he might go home that night because of it. Yeah, so she might not be able to handle it that it was gonna be so crazy. I was like this is gonna be something really serious or like Caitlin sexual assault stories. Like this is gonna be really really huge. Well question was his leg amputated. No evidently. Todd are we sure I don't think so. We're not positive. Let us know because it has a prosthetic leg. They edited it in a very odd way where we net with they just you know, they kind of made fun of him for it how he told the story which to be fair. I mean being like that my kitten died and then my grandma was sick and like that was a lot but did he lose is that what it is about like that? He was worried. She would judge him for having a prosthetic leg but it sounds like not because he said he's had multiple surgeries. It sounds like if I remember right he said said he might have had to or he not an amputation might be going to have to get that one day. Like I'm just confused because what's the end are you just trying to be like, oh I had a bad day in the bad like order for being happened Vivian in the chat says his story on Instagram says it was not amputated which means a lot of people were asking about it. I think the idea it sounds like maybe he's someone who needs to have chronic surgeries, which is valid because he was saying and then this next surgery so maybe The make or break thing is if we're together, I will be having annual surgeries. Yeah, it's not lot of health concerns. Sorry. Okay. Yeah, that's what that's what I thought maybe but either way at least the way it was edited. It didn't play well for Cam. And so but this was the really really interesting moment of the episode. We'll have to try to keep our takes quick but Mike Jay pulls Hannah aside and says word-for-word cam mentioned to us before the tailgate party that he was going to tell this. Story to you in order to get a Pity Rose, which it's like yeah, it's a like am never said that and I did not like my Johnson move here unless we didn't see it unless he said something else that wasn't edited. They wanted to do that though. They wouldn't in this situation because he went home they would have played that footage, which is also my theory on why they cut up his sad story so much so it didn't make him look like a monster for sending home and went through something right? Great. This made me really not like my Johnson and let me tell you this is what kind of gave me the theory of Oh, well, he has pretty roses on his mind. But I wonder if it's because in he's an ally that says a lot about someone's character that you're willing to just blatantly lie about someone so they go home because you don't want to deal with them. Yeah keep my I thought it was strange too because I don't see cam as being any kind of competition for him. He's super secure and solid. He already had a rose to why why do that? I think it trying to understand his motives here. I think he just wanted to get on the offensive strike because he's been Owing to all these situations well, and I think that was his move of like, all right, let me get a little more aggressive now. I know I'm safe. Let me just try and get rid of trim the fat essentially. I never and we talked about this before in history. You guys tell me you're more knowledgeable than me. I don't think it's ever been a good idea ever to call out somebody else on what they've done of but that so especially with how secure this guy is and what a great job he's doing so far. I don't see any upside to this whatsoever 99% of the time you're That means that twice ago rocked for her but most of she went home now, but no not because of that. So most of the time it's an absolute no and Bachelor Nation like watch a season before you go on maybe maybe he only watched cool things as much as we watching. It know that it's a dumb move think about why so many people in that position have defaulted to that move. I think it's something about that environment that I don't know. I don't know why you think it's going to be a good move. But yes gration competition. All that's happening. But the fact that will surprise me about that conversation though. And I know we have to wrap up is just the fact that cam did admit that he wrote those letters to the other guys in the house that he was going home. So it's like had I think had my J not lied about that one part about the pity Rose saying everything else. I was true. He did write letters. He did say that he thought he was going home the issue with Mike was that he said the words pity Rose, which was never said and that was truly the engine that got sent cams at home. That's what Hannah fixated on so even if Mike was 90% telling the truth that 10% of words that were fabricated are the reason Cam went home and I got to say I think Cameron out with some dignity. I felt like he was truthful with Hannah and you know what he was like I did write letters because I think he thought he might have been going home. And that moment is that it is the writing letters a thing. He liked the Jenna thing. I think he like made friendships. I think cam is just a strange guy who thought he had friends in the house. I almost feel bad for him because I think he's just kind of a different. What kind of guy do do we think the my people in the chatter kind of arguing don't think Mike was really lying. Yes. Mike was lying. Let's leave that aside. Do you think cam was trying to get a Pity rose with the story? It seemed like it to let me argue my take real quick. It seemed like an out-of-place story out of time. Like I said, he had it locked and loaded and he said okay day 10 or whatever. I'm going to bust out this story if I'm still here to be fair though. If they did edit it very poorly him. You know how he's going to have to get surgeries for the rest of his life and that is a big part of his life and he hasn't really had one-on-one time with Hannah and then like this was his time where he could actually talk to her. No, and if it is true that he thought that she might send him home because maybe she wouldn't want to deal with someone who would have all of these surgeries for the rest of his life. No, but because of editing that's the way it looked. Yeah, you know what I mean? All I know is Hannah would have taken any reason for cam to go home. I couldn't Said this guy's a Neo-Nazi and she would like I believe you can go home. She would have taken anything. I do think we have to move on to the Rose ceremony. Anyone more sad about leaving. No, not me. I kind of like Joey I would have liked to get to know Joey better. Yeah, we really get to know him. Jonathan had his big moment tonight. They just didn't play right for him. And then Kim's been cam right always be infinitely can always being him. Okay, we do have some really interesting news this week. So let's go ahead and quickly get into our So some of the news that came thanks for the queue and some Bachelor news this week. Some names have been floating around for Paradise. Someone who's been confirmed is Demi. Yeah, Demi's gonna be there and so far and Nicole with the lots of crying and tears from last exam and her Nemesis and Yaga have been confirmed possible names are still taoiseach Hannah G and Kailyn. So look out for announcements about that pretty soon. Also guys really quickly in this. If you guys noticed Tyler G went home and it was on the internet that he was actually accused of being as one person from his hometown said the biggest a whole douche of all time. There's a whole Reddit thread that's going on talking about that. He's an extreme sajin assist that these allegations came out a girl who he used to date came out with a story that he was just really aggressive and discussing towards her and so far from what I've seen Tyler has not responded to the accusations, but it's definitely floating around. Bachelor Nation guys. Wow, that's pretty serious. So that was the news this week. Do we want to bring up the fact that it's uncovered that jet is a burlesque dancer and right feel hand forget about that. So obviously you guys know jet is a country singer and being concerning his profession. It's always speculated if he's here for the right reasons. Well, we found out that Jed actually used to be a burlesque dancer. I will put that up on my Twitter for you guys afterwards. I'll send you guys the link so you can see but he yeah, he was a burlesque. Answer and there's some pictures up of him in a cowboy hat performing showing off that sexy bottom stage. So I just want to know if that changes your perception of it makes me trust him more. He's here for the right reasons. That is a that could you date? He's not here for the right date someone who's a burlesque a male burlesque dancer in a if it was Jed, maybe fair enough. I think the better question before I move on from that is when Hannah be okay with that. I don't know I could think about it. I don't think we know. Well in current or former isn't done with it. Is he done with that life from what I understand? The last post I saw online was from September 2018. So he is not currently a burlesque dancer, but it's obviously in his wheelhouse and you know, he's comfortable enough with his sexuality to do that. So maybe he's not the guy in the teaser later who confronts an about her is not enough to try to figure out how this information will help or make or break Jed. So we'll see well guess we're gonna try a new segment for the next couple weeks called our top three will be giving you a top three moments from Egypt. Sewed this week. We're doing our top three cringy at moments from the episode because overall this was a pretty cringy episode. I think I'm going to start by saying Camry entering the conversation over and over again was pretty cringey good time. Okay, I think then Luke P re-entering the situation over and over again was pretty cringy don't do hydrated and I think for me at least the third cringes moment of this episode was cam letting the guys know that he had to give a dramatic announcement to Hannah cheese. Has that was really I'm going to steal some more camera time. Yeah, right. Now it made no sense. I think it helped dig his own grave. Yeah honest like come on take her side. If you want to take her side. That's everybody's been doing it the entire time well with two and a half minutes, let's do it. We can eat show our tweet and combine our prediction with that tweet. So you get to show off your Tweet to our fans for are tweeting for the right reason segment. And as you do I'd also like you to give one prediction for next season next season next next next season or just like who's gonna win. You can it can be any prediction you want it? Okay, just say that I think top two is Garrett and Pete Geren Pete. I think Garrett's going to be a dark horse. Okay. Let's see your Tweet Renee. Which one did you send it? Oh God. The Tweet is it should be up there. Do you still have it up there? So I just read it. That's how that's actually mine. I guess. I'll just jump in here and say that the tweet that I sent out was cam trying to figure out how many SOB stories he can fit into one hashtagging Bachelorette. Followed by a gif of well, our YouTube viewers can see it that just I said one of our cringe-worthy moments there and a prediction for this season. I still have oh God. I had a prediction in lost it I oh, I think Grant goes home next episode because I had he needs to go sausage party crosses fighting man. I think he and some other guys are going to be gone next week Crete and for sure, that's my tweet. That's right right there Hannah sending cam home good old throwback to I Love New York loved' Bye. Bye. Bye. My prediction I'm going to go against Rene here. I'm giving my final to right now. It is pilot Pete and Jed. Yeah. Yeah, I should have yeah. Those are my final to those. I see the passion when they kiss. Absolutely. Okay. I'm going to go ahead and give my tweet right now. It's a picture of John Paul Jones is John Paul Jones possibly recreating His official it would explain a lot hashtag The Bachelorette and my prediction for final two is I'm going to To say I'm going to do final four. No. Am I allowed Jed? Peace Pilots heat honor and Tyler a star. My final four is gonna go further than we think. Hey Tyler. Okay Congress has clatters going to go not tired. Yeah. Okay my top two are the same as yours Mike just to go on record. Okay said so the right ones then the right we got it. Well, I guess with that. Let's go ahead and make our way out of here. You guys eat Oh Renee, you found it. You found - we don't know if they found it. If not, it's okay. We can do it another time. We don't have it. That's all right won't know what though tweet it out in the fans can find. Yeah, I'll do they'll retweet action. And where would they find that if you did a retweet or name? Hey you guys it's been a great week. Follow me on Instagram and on Twitter at Renee Ariel. Also, my friend Lily Marsden and I filmed a video for her Channel where we drunkenly dm-100 celebrities and some respondents to go check that out on YouTube. What? Yep any bachelor Nation people know but we also didn't have any bachelor people. Yeah. Maybe that's next time. That sounds fantastic guys. Thanks for hanging out with us a little guy hanging out with us. Here we go in the live chat appreciate all your comments. I'm Mike feeling you can catch me everywhere at Mike feeling and stay tuned on this channel because we'll have my bachelorette ruthless recap coming up for you. I am so looking forward to that might in the meantime. You guys can find me on social media on Twitter accuracy win with three. He's and on Instagram at Christine I Alexis and want to shout out our watch along crew again. Love you guys. Absolutely and I also want to offer a warm heartfelt. Thank you to the secret life of pets to thank you for enhancing our Bachelor viewing experience tonight guys. 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It's time for a new era of communication the swine industry one that you can get the latest updates while Community or driving to Farms here. You have the brightest mind of the global swine industry in your pocket. What are we going to do? How are we going to get there? And that needs to be an ongoing activity and oftentimes the pig industry were really busy taking care of pigs, but we're reading sometimes not very good at business planning and development. And frankly, I find it people's Financial understanding of the business is pretty weak. Welcome to sign a podcast. My name is Martha Rose Salvage your host for today's episode. This episode is brought to you by just all celebrating its 25th anniversary. Just all manufacturers the original Wireless Standalone swine feeding system designed by pork producers for pork producers their simple reliable and provide peace of mind 24/7. And 365 days a year just all is not just manufactured by an equipment company, but by a family bought production business with as lat level understanding just always one step ahead of strike fitting. Hello, everyone. This is Marci Gonzales. And today we have a new episode for this fine it podcast the the topic for today will be key aspects for successful Pig production. And we have dr. Steve Coleman legend of the swine industry with several decades of experience through through large corporations, and now in high school Salton Sea so with that, dr. Pullman, thanks a lot for joining us today and And I guess if you'd like to start with a you know, how did you get involved in pig production and then walk us through your your career? Are you good firms? Thanks for the invitation. And it's a pleasure to be able to participate often tell people. I got in pig production because my brother was a fast runner and he actually got a greased pig in a rodeo and that little guilt became our first because we just didn't want to kill her and and so time I graduate from high school. I had a net that they project about 40,000. So selling weed pigs feed their pigs and we also had a custom breeding service. We bought the borders and those boers were transported around the neighborhood to service the neighbor's house so stuff to pay to we would take this really crazy, but it seemed to work for us and from there was continue to be intrigued with the swine industry went to Utah State the degree and Science and met a professor from the University of Nebraska. Dr. Murray Danielson who offered me an assistantship to come to Nebraska and I was very much life-changing for me. So after finishing my degree at University of Nebraska, I accepted a position in extension and research at Kansas City, which was an absolutely wonderful experience at that time, Kansas. The state was considered a cattle school and had no involvement in pig production. And so we really started the whole momentum of this wine reputation that appeared and they exist today. And so one of the things we'll spend to see is that programmed up over time and after about five six years. I had an offer to move into the feed industry and spent years in the feed industry doing product development and research And after doing that for a period of time it was thought about a career change and moved into production management was involved in the growth of the circle for Farm business in southwest Utah. We move that business from about 20,000 sows 275 thousand thousand men for men with Smithfield Foods moved to Iowa where I became the president of the western operations for Smithfield Foods. So Ben Great experience the time the Chinese purchase Smithfield Foods. I took early retirement and the last few years. I've been spending time with family doing travel and also stay in touch with the pig industry have a Consulting business that work with some production management companies as well as companies doing some product development just enough to keep money. So my wife can buy new shoes. So let's review how I got involved with big Industries. In a great opportunity and one of the areas that I've really noticed the past few years as I've started to learn from the experiences of and Smithfield and you go out and start to work with other clients. There's just some key components of best practices that just need to be more effectively implemented. That's amazing. What an impressive career. They are Dr. Pullman and Yeah, it's good to remind that you are right there in the early stages of the swine group their case state, so that that's great. Well, so I guess that's a good link for for the next question there Steve. So what are the key factors for successful Pig production in your experience? Well, and what I'd like to do is just maybe share with you two or three key points, you know after we both is really improving productivity and that's such critical part. But what I do today is maybe share with the Ottomans some critical factors of successful business. And the first one in my mind is very very commonly overlooked is people don't know their mission or value statements. So that's the first one just make sure they know who they are and money trying to do and who are they trying to serve and they establish those core principles? And then secondly, they've got to develop a living breathing strategic plan. You know, what are we going to do? How we going to get there and that needs to be an ongoing activity and oftentimes the pig industry were really busy taking care of pigs, but we're reading sometimes not very good business planning and development and frankly. I find it people's Financial understanding of the business is pretty weak. And they assume that improved productivity means more profit and that's a bit of a challenge and oftentimes what we find happening is there's lots of information not real clear of which are the key metrics that drive performance. And so what I've tried to do the last few years is to simplify the business to say here are the three or four real key. Metrics that drive the business and everything else is secondary to the an example of that would be percent livability post weaning and then another one would be the number of pigs weaned for self are old now notice. I have it but Psy or pigs per cell per year in that top one because the numbers had a very good indicator of the success of the business. And then look at what is the amount of pork produced per cell per year as a total system metric? That's the true indication of the throughput of the business and to do that benchmarking is a critical component of it and benchmarking to me is a really important aspect to say, where are we how do we stand and how do we move to the next level? Because part of that vision and strategic plan is to say I want to be lets say in the top 10% of the industrial indeed key metrics and you first identify what metric you're going to use and what's benchmarking Services best for your application and then probably the last element that I would put on that list for success is you've got to have successful. I'm going to call it a human capital development initiative. What are you doing to help your people get? Better and at all levels in the organization people need to continue to say, how are we going to get better and some of that is with Coatings conflict resolution and through understanding of the financial ramifications of the business. It's how you track and monitor the key metrics. Very nice. Now. This is a yeah, I mean as you travel around the globe and and I've traveled around the globe talking producers first thing that a lot of people bring up is bring up is speaks for supper year, right and it's impressive to me like how long people take to change this Matrix, right? It's so ingrained that we've been talking a lot about, you know, even carcass Carcass feed conversion or caloric efficiency and all that kind of thing and it's still not the status quo, right? It's still not the the mainstream you there's no mainstream usage of that as my impression. I don't know what you think Dr. Pullman. Absolutely. And you know, if you were looking at TD business indicators Psy is not in the top five, right? You know, it's a it's a critical number and is often used. Used for comparison purposes but you know, there's just a number that is often. It is associated with bragging rights and often used for comparison purposes, but it's not a very good one, right? And so I think our industry needs to gravitate toward that we make great strides in South productivity. But at the same time we've seen now some casualties associated with increase our mortality. Improve increasing amount of finishing mortality and the number percent of full value pigs seems to be struggling to so, you know, even though we move the needle on Psy some of the more important system indicators of not made that equal progress that makes total sense when the grill since we're creating more waste, right? interesting Okay, and one thing that you mention is it's touched on cost and profit. I guess one thing that that I'd like to ask you is. How do you see or how should the system's manage their focus on profit versus cost and I guess that will change if you're in a in a good scenario versus a bad economic scenario. So what's your overall thoughts their doctor poem Oh, yeah, and I think True extent you have to watch both. Now you do have some systems that will totally focus on cost because that's something that is control and the biggest components prop oftentimes are those non controllable cost like the cost of feed ingredients the cost are the value in which you sell pigs at. So by having a total focus on the cost of production you get people focused. C mon things that they can control which is a good strategy from a management standpoint, but often what happens is one has to make sure that the prophet is coming along with as well as the cost control and another good example of that. I think illustrate that point we often talk about sport loss as a pretty important indicator and that's not nearly as critical. As trying to make sure that we get Mark weights up and we're accomplishing our Market will be Target with greater uniformity of that market weight and sieve because oftentimes when you're minimizing sort logs, we tend to sell a lighter Pig and carcass weight is one of those key Five drivers that one needs to continue to monitor carcass weight interesting that yeah. I mean heavy heavy Peaks. It has been a big Trend over the last 50 years, I guess right I do see that continue to grow. What's your take on Market way Marshall wait for sure has continued to increase every year for the past three decades and there's there's no change in fact, and you know, the the pig is now demonstrate the ability to continue to lay down lean pretty efficient to really The weights and so, you know, I think our industry will continue to kill heavy pigs particularly with the deboning capabilities and sectioning primals that they're doing. It just makes it more important and so from a total system optimization standpoint, it's good for production. It's good for processing have a heavier pick now disadvantage of the heavier pig to sometimes will start to affect eating quality if not closely watched. Interesting interesting, I think University of Illinois that has been working on some of that of recently their own meat quality of very heavy pigs. So interesting area to watch another question be as we had 30 on the market weight and carcass weight Steve. What are your thoughts on the, you know marketing on a fixed weight versus fixed time basis, of course going to change. All the year as big school girl, you know faster or slower but also from a strategic standpoint how should a system work through that as far as trying to expand number of farms, you know to have that that fixed rate or it's going to depend on scenarios. What's your thoughts on there? Yes, it's a good question. And it's a question is plugged the industry for a lot of years and I've been on both sides of that. Russian but what I found over time a fixed Philo system is a more predictable system and where you have enough days and then you do what you can to increase gain now at the same time and it will see the concept of space balance as I work with producers and historically looking at some of the major constraints in our business. The balance of the amount of finishing space. We have relative to the changing of our salvations space becomes pretty Paramount. And the thing that has been evident in financial assistance of those never can afford to be space short. And so we see there's probably four or five months of the year. The carcass weights will drop maybe 4 to 7. And part of that is just because the way we're managing Pig flow and Direction and we get Space short and so often go back and we look at what is the ratio of the number of spaces? We have relative to cell operation and we saw productivity increasing on an annual rate with Market weights increasing less use of ractopamine in some of those components. Always affect the optimum space and you know, if a person ought to be looking at digital space about every two to three years because their system capacity has grown and finishing space may be a restriction. So from my standpoint, I would for sure continue to push a fixed final system where I'd lock in in a wiener finish. This is the number of days and I make sure I got the pigs that Move through that system throughout the entire year not just three of the seasons, but I want to be able to continue to hit my 290-pound pig during summer months makes sense. Try to keep it as predictable as possible. And what happens is that South Wing weekly pick throughput changes quite dramatic, but we're pushing those into a fixed growing system. And so some week for overpopulating other weeks rendered populating and then scratch your head and say why do we have challenges with uniform Market weights coming out? Seasonality on the reproduction side as well as just the seasonality of diseases as well. Maybe yeah, and then what happens to is then we start looking at flow strategies, you know and looking at those and evaluate him over time the best single system that I've seen is when we have La Salle Farms you single Source into a ween finished barn and you do At within a week and when one can do that, then the Harvest process is much more consistent and Returns on the cost of that space is greater and then you not, you know, three to five grades out of the barn. He sometimes will take your first grade and do a run out and then you got the uniformity throughput because you have uniform pigs coming in coming in out of sheer. Probably another bias with you. You is I believe today that we in North America is still too good. I think the Europeans are too old and the right sweet spot is 23 and 25 days of age. And so if I take that twenty three to twenty five day old Pig and move it into a ween defending system and I'm doing that single source with short Fields. It changes the Dynamics and the cost of the profit there you might need More space that you could never afford be space shorts. Yeah, that's probably the closest thing to a bulletproof. Those pigs is what you just said, I think right 23 to 24 days old and single source and feeling in a week, that's well, you know, the the other thing that I would encourage people to look at is to really assess what is their space balance how Any spaces be to finish basis do they have for sale and it want to look at that real critical and do that math. And you start making some assumptions on what is the stocking density going to be you need about 11 to hat spaces per sow to have reasonable balance, assuming that you're getting decent daily gains. We need to finish and a lot of people don't know what that number is and over time. There's going to continue to drift up as Market weights increase and South productivity continues to increase right? I don't think I ever thought about that number and and I think a lot of systems experienced in the last 10 or 15 years that the for those that have nursery and finishing the weight at the end of the nursery is lower today than 10 years ago. And and that's probably a part of it as well. On top of the birth weight reduction. Yeah, I think that's true. Very nice. Very good, Dr. Pullman. I guess my other question I have to you is your general thoughts on Sal lifetime productivity and in what should we watch for their? Yeah, another really interesting area and you know as we started working on Lifetime productivity, it's probably been 10 years ago. Now the message is stayed is Saying that satellite time for activity is a better indicator of South performance than PSY and what you really are seeing today is that number captures guilt pull efficiency and days from selection to the time of breeding and how that's monitored. And so lifetime productivity is particularly critical is As an indicator and done correlation work to show that frankly PSY and lifetime productivity only have an R square of about 0.25. So about 25 percent of the variation in Psy can be sell lifetime performance can be explained by PSY. So you got 75% that something else. And so not a lot the biggest opportunity frankly to move lifetime productivity is how do you get gilts managed and retained in the herd and increase the longevity of the female and so selection our replacement rates of God come down and number of parity per average. Sal is got to continue to move up to really get the value of Lifetime Performance Shop. And see at one point we're looking at probably 30 35 things for Lifetime today. That number is probably more closely protein 4405. And again that number people are not really well connected with because it's not readily available to them in the record-keeping systems. Right? That is that that makes sense. And the other thing I think we should probably touch on this is just the just individual care of the South as well. Right making sure we're walking depends every day, especially as we move that through the through the Now the conversion to pans and all that. Yes, that's absolutely right and frankly, the bigger than South Armagh partner is the condom and you know in the day we have to 500 South a farm was a little easier to detect those problems, you know, you were able to see what Sal was starting to have deep leg albums or what ones were not consuming their fee and those that needed to get up. But now I'm day with a bigger cell Farms, you know, the staff really need to be trained to make sure that they're closely scrutinizing the health status during gestation and particularly preparing makes sense. You know, he was just looking at some numbers today looking at South mortality increases and we've all seen projects at Iowa State. I've been involved with through the Port board, but it's amazing today that in that day of said there were In 10 to 12 percent average mortality with ranges of four to twenty percent mortality and Sal's on an annual basis and you just think about that extreme variation and how that number continues to go up the South's telling us something she's telling us that she is not adapting to our production expectations, and we just need to intensify the way we monitor sows. Right it now completely agree with you that definitely listen to the pig right always the always going to find the answer that way. Yeah, and at the same time you've got to have Dynamic metrics and soon as terms and then look at them and have one of my favorite topics is to have people create visuals that are in the 10 second format if you If see it 10 seconds, you're not going to see it. I mean the big reports we get on Val Farms today people struggle to see where the big rocks are interesting almost almost something like those scorecards type of reports. Yeah, you got to put it into like a statistical process control chart or run table or you've got to be able to see it fast and not look at 15 pages of numbers and then you're looking at the list and then going to us and saying, you know, this is what happened the last six weeks. You really want to continually ask yourself are my key metrics getting better staying the same or getting worse and eyeballing a bunch of numbers on a table. Don't get you that Trend Direction. I love it. No, this is great advice. I hope I hope More Farms simplify that that those reports very nice. Well anything else in general Dr. Pullman before we move to the three questions, we ask every guest. Well, you know again one of my pet projects is to Ask management teams to say what are you doing to help your people be more successful. How are you helping them and value to their life. And what are you doing to help them greater job satisfaction. I'll often we're long on pigment ship and short on leadership. So what I guess from the answers, you've got so far. What do you think or what? What would the best systems be doing you think on that Arena? the ones that have standard onboarding processes and training and then they also have programs in place for all levels of their team to get better and that they're not afraid to take three five percent of their employees time for improvement activities, you know where they're teaching them about science or teaching them about personal planning or or any are reinforcing strategic plan or the financial ramifications of the business, but got to take time to help people learn and sharpen their saw makes total sense. And yeah, that's that's great. I think I hope all some from the audience can take that and run with it and Implement. That's great. The truth is precision flying. Love the future. It is the present every pig is the intelligent Pig Health platform. It is a simple yet powerful Pig health and production management to request a free 20 minutes demonstration at www.davidpakman.com Co it is time to our famous doctor problem. So the three questions we ask every gas. The first one is What is your favorites wine-related book my favorites wine-related book. Yes interesting idea. I guess I really don't have one per se I it's been interesting though. And I must admit I've really appreciated the way our publication to become more science oriented like for instance. You take National Harper. Today they report on Research results and not sharing a bunch of testimonials. It's really become more research progress. And so thankfully the point I really enjoy reading those in the past. I look at those days just about to advertise meant Bunch propaganda bunch of testimony without Auto science-based. But today it's becoming a very good then you for delivering information out to the public. So I have to say I enjoy reading Port magazine. That's cool that makes total sense and it's more current than just a the scientific journals because those are so slow and right, you know, I want to read the abstract and then look at the table and see if I'm interested in Reading More right? You're probably right after goes into the website and magazines. It's going to take about six months and seriously the actual paper, right, right? Okay. How about the book? Your favorite book that is not related to pigs. Well, I have the personal books that I rely on a lot. I really have learned a lot from the Stephen Covey series. I'd say he's probably my favorite business writer and I would probably put that one on the top of the list for if somebody hasn't read 7 Habits of Highly Effective People. It is a good read and there's some very fundamental lessons in life. Life that can be applied to that and it has direct relevance to pick production. It's all about developing yourself helping others. Great great book does he does he has some other books? I'm not familiar with the other ones besides that one. Yeah, he's got four or five, you know, first things first, you know, and then he has some about even how to help your family get better. Very nice. Very cool. Well the last question is Steve what sets apart successful sign professionals from those who are not, you know, I thought about that question about you over the years and I think it was down to kind of two things one is the pace of execution and you say what you're going to do and you do it and then your ability to make sure you maintain balance in your life. And you know, it's so easy to have people say I'll do that all do that and then they don't do it and they're not fulfilling the commitment they made to their colleague or their friends or their family and at the same time. It's easy to be so busy that you really don't keep all the things in lock in a perspective that makes I love that because that sense I think a lot about as well the the If in my case if I don't write down it's not going to happen. Like if that thing of I'm going to remember about it or there's like ten things. I need to remember. I hate. I know I need to write down. I love that just from execution standpoint, right? Yeah. In fact, they're so critical and it absolutely has made over the years people that don't fulfill commitments. Very nice. Well, I guess we We come to the end of the show here. Dr. Palmer really appreciate your insights and those several decades of experience trying to boil that down in 30 minutes. So we really really appreciate your time my pleasure and it is really several. It's just for good to talk to you. It's just for this wonderful service God. Thank you. I appreciate that. We stay in touch doctor. Palma

Today’s episode will cover key aspects for successful pig production. “[To be successful, we need to know] what are we going to do, how are we going to get there, and that needs to be an ongoing activity… and often times, in the pig industry we are really busy taking care of pigs but we really sometimes are not very good at business planning and development.” – Dr. Steve Pollmann. Our guest is Dr. Steve Pollmann, one of the bright minds of the Global Swine Industry. Dr. Pollman has worked in academia doing research, teaching and extension. Additionally, he worked in the feed industry on product development, technical services, quality control programs, diet formulation, and customer support in all livestock species. After that, he became the Director of Operations for Murphy-Brown and a few years later the President of the Western Operations, a subsidiary of Smithfield Foods. Retired in 2014 and since he wanted to maintain some involvement in the industry, he started DSP Consulting working with several clients with product development needs, pork production support, and team building. What you will learn: - The key factors for successful pig production; - The use of benchmark to get better; - Metrics that we should we look for on a consistent basis; - Managing for profit vs. managing for cost; - Thoughts on managing the system for fixed weight vs. fixed time; - Current thoughts on sow lifetime productivity; - What sets apart successful professionals from those who are not. Steve’s favorite swine-related resource: National Hog Farmer (site) Steve’s favorite book unrelated to swine: Seven Habits of Highly Effective People Edited by Lauro Faccin

Story to of Dublin eyes. an encounter it was Joe Dylan who introduced the wild west to us. He had a little Library made up of old numbers of the Union Jack plug and the ha'penny Marvel every even after school. We met in his back garden and arranged Indian battles. He and his fat young brother Leo The Idler held the loft of the stable where we tried to carry it by storm or we fought a pitched battle on the grass. But however, well we fought we never once each our battle and all are about ended with Joel Dylan's War dance of Victory. His parents went to eight o'clock mass every morning in Gardner Street and the peaceful older of mrs. Dillon was prevalent in the Hall of the house, but he played two fiercely for us who were younger and more timid. He looked like some kind of an Indian when he came around the garden and old tea cozy on his head beaten at in with his fist and yellin. Yeah. Yeah. Everyone was incredulous when it was reported that he had a vocation for the priesthood nevertheless. It was true. A spirit of unruliness diffused itself Among Us and under its influence differences of culture and Constitution were waived. We banded ourselves together some boldly some ingest and some almost in fear and of the number of these latter The Reluctant Indians who were afraid to seem studious are lacking in robustness. I was warned. The Avengers related in the literature of the Wild West were remote from my nature, but at least they open doors of Escape. I like better some American detective stories which were traversed from time to time by unkempt Fierce and beautiful girls. though there was nothing wrong in these stories and though their intention was sometimes literary there were circulated secretly at school one day when father bought the was here in the four pages of Roman history clumsy, Leo Dillon was discovered with a copy of the ha'penny mother this page of this page this page now Dylan up, Hardly had their day Dawn what day hardly had the day dawned? Have you studied? What are you there in your pocket? Everyone's heart palpitated as Leo Dillon handed up the paper and everyone assumed an innocent face father burglar turned over the pages frowning. What is this rubbish? He said the Apache Chief is this what you're dead instead of studying the Roman history. Did we not find any more of this Richard stuff in this college the man who lost her vegetables were some wretched fellow who writes these things for a drink. I'm surprised the boys like you educated reading such stuff. I could understand it. If you are national school boys now Dylan, I advise you strongly Kappa Joe Walker this rebuke during this whole but I was at school. Paled much of the glory of the Wild West for me and the confused puffy face of Leo Dillon awakened one of my consciences, but when the restraining influence of the school was at a distance, I began to hunger again for while Sensations for the Escape, which those Chronicles of disorder alone seemed to offer me the mimic Warfare of the evening became at last as wearisome to me as the routine of school in the morning because I wanted real Adventures to happen to myself but real Adventures. Reflected do not happen to people who remain at home. They must be sought abroad. The summer holidays were near at hand when I made up my mind to break out of the weariness of school life for one day at least with Leo Dillon and a boy named Manny. I planned a day's Mission each of us saved up Sixpence. We were to meet at 10:00 in the morning on the Canal Bridge man. He's big sister was to write an excuse for him and the old Dylan was to tell his brother to say he was sick. We arranged to go along the wharf rolled until we came to this ships then to cross in the ferry boat and walk out to see the pigeon. Was Leo Dillon was afraid we might be father Buddha or someone else at a college. But Manny asked very sensibly what would father water be doing out at the pigeon house. We were reassured and I brought the fourth stage of the plot to an end by collected six pins from the other two at the same time showing them my own six bits when we were making the last Arrangements on the gave. We were all vaguely excited. We shook hands laughs and and Mahoney said till tomorrow mates. That night I slept badly in the morning. I was the first Comer to the bridge as I lived nearest I hid my walks in the long grass near the ash pit at the end of the garden where nobody ever came and hurried along the Canal bank. It was a mild Sunny morning in the first week of June. I sat upon the Copan of the bridge admiring my frail canvas shoes, which I had diligently pipe cleared overnight and watching the dose. I'll horses pulling a tram load of business people up the hill. All the branches of the tall trees which line the malware gay with little light green leaves and the sunlight slanted thrilled them onto the water. The granite Stone of the bridge was beginning to be worn and I began to patted with my hands in time to an error in my head. I was very happy. When I had been sitting there for five or ten minutes, I saw all my homies Gracie would approach him. He came up the hill smiling and clambered up beside me on the bridge while we were waiting. He brought out a catapult which bodes from his in our pocket and explain some improvements which he had made and it I asked him where he had brought it and he told me he had brought her to have some gas with the boards. My knee youth slang freely and spoke of Father bought her as old bones. Are we waited on for a quarter of an hour more? But still there was no sign of Leo Dillon Manny at last jump down and said come along or new fatty at foger and his Sixpence I said, that's fourth. It said my honey and some was the better for us above and the Tanner instead of a bob. We walked along the north Strand Road who became to the vitriol works? And then turn to the right along the Wharf Road Manny began to play the Indian as soon as we were able to public site. He chased the crowd of ragged girls brandishing his loaded catapult and went to ragged boys began out of chivalry to fling stones at us. He proposed that we should charge the I objected that the boys were too small and so we walked on the Ragged troops screaming after us Swaddlers Swaddlers thinking that we were Protestants because my honey who was dark complexioned boy. the silver Badge of a Cricket Club in his cap When we came to the smoothin iron, we arranged a Siege but it was a failure because your most have at least Trey we're avenge ourselves on Leo Dillon by saying what a funky was. I'm guessing how many he would get a tree o'clock for mr. Ryan. We came there near the river. We spent a long time walking about the noisy streets flanked by high stone walls watching The Walking of cranes and engines and often being shouted at Ferrari Mobility by the drivers of grown and carrots. It was noon when we reach the keys as all the de Burgh seem to be eating their lunches. We bought two big couldn't bonds and sat down to eat them until metal pipe and beside the river. We please ourselves with the spectacle of Dublin's Commerce the barges signal from Far Away by the corals of woolly smoke the brown fishing fleet beyond ringsend the big white sale and vessel, which was being discharged on the opposite key. Manny said it would be right skittering away to Sea on one of those big ships. And even I looking at the high masts saw or imagined the geography which had been scantily dose to me at school gradually taken substance under my eyes school and home seemed to recede from us and their influences Upon Us seem to Wayne. We cross the lithium a ferry boat paying are told to be transported in the company of Two labourers and a little Jew with a bag. We were serious to the point of solemnity but once during the short Voyage our eyes met and we laughed when we landed we watch the discharging of the graceful tree master, which we had observed from the other key some bystander said that she was a Norwegian vessel. I went to the Starin and try to decipher the legend upon it but failure to do so, I came back and examined the foreign Sailors to see it any of them green eyes for I had some confused notion. The Senators eyes were blue and gray and even black the only sailor whose eyes could have been called Green was a tall man who amused the crowd under Key by calling out cheerfully every time the planks fell now light hard light. When we were tired of this site, we wandered slowly into rings end the day had grown Sultry and in the windows of the growth of shops musty biscuits label each and we bought some biscuits and chocolate which we ate sedulously as we wander through the squalid streets where the families of the fish on air live. We could find no Dairy. And so we went into a huckster shop and bought a bottle of raspberry lemonade each refreshed by this man. He chased the cat down a lane, but the cat escaped into a wide field we both felt rather tired and when we reach the field, we made it once for a slope and bank over the ridge of which we could see the data. It was too late and we were too tired to carry out our project of visiting the pigeon house. We had to be home before four o'clock. Lester Adventure should be discovered Mahoney looked regretfully at his catapult and I had to suggest Going Home by train before he regained any cheerfulness the sunlight in behind some clouds and left us to our Jada Tarts and the Clones of our Provisions. There was nobody but ourselves in the field. When you're lying on the bank for some time without speaking, I saw a man approaching from the far end of the field. I watched him lazily as I chewed one of those green stems on which Girls Tell fortunes. He came along but the bank's slowly he walked with one hand upon his hip and in the other hand he held a stick with which he tapped the tour of lightly he was shabbily dressed in a suit of greenish black and wore what we used to call a Jerry Hat with a high crown. He seemed to be fairly old for his moustache was Ashen gray when he passed it our feet he glanced upward as quickly and then continued his way. We followed him with her eyes and saw that when he had gone on for Babs 50 Paces. He turned about and began to retrace his steps. He walked towards us very slowly always tap on the ground with his stick. So slowly that I'd heard he was looking for something in the grass. He stopped when he came level with us and bade is good day. We answered him and he sat down beside his on the slope slowly and with great care. He began to talk of the weather saying that it would be a very hot summer and adding that the seasons had changed greatly since he was a boy a long time ago. He said that the happiest time of one's life was undoubtedly once cooled by days and that he would give anything to be young again while the express these sentiments which borders the little He kept silent then he began to talk of school and of books. He asked us whether we had read The Poetry of Thomas More other works of Sir Walter Scott and Lord Lytton. I pretended that he had read every book you mentioned. So that in the end. He said, ah, I can see you would have Bookworm like myself now he had appointed to Manny who was regarding us with open eyes. He is different he goes in for games. He said he had also Walter Scott's works and all Lord lytton's works at home and never tired of reading them. Of course. He said there was some a lord lytton's Works which boys couldn't read. Manny asked why boys couldn't read them a question, which I did hated and pained me because I was afraid the man would think I was a stupid as Mahoney the man however only smiled I saw that he had great gaps in his mouth between his yellow teeth. Then he asked us which of us had the most sweet hats Manny mentioned likely that he had treat heart. He's the man asked me how many had I my answer that? I had known he did not believe me and said he was sure I must have one I was silent. Tell us said my honey parity to the man. How many have you yourself man? Smiled as before and said that when he was outraged he had lots of sweethearts. Everybody he said has a little sweetheart. His attitude on this point struck me a strangely liberal in a man of his age in my heart. I told that what he said about boys and sweetheart was reasonable but it is like the words in his mouth and I wondered why he shivered once or twice as if he feared something I felt the sudden chair as he proceeded. I noticed that his accent was good. He began to speak to us about girls say and what nice soft hair they had and how soft our hands where and how all girls were not. Good as they seem to be if only one you there was nothing he liked he said so much as looking at a nice young girl. I don't know it's white hands and her beautiful soft hair. They gave me the impression that he was repeating something which he had learned by heart or that magnetized by some words of his own speech. His mind was slowly circling round and round in the same orbit at times. He spoke as if he were simply alluding to some fact that everybody knew and I times he lowered his voice and spoke. Mr. Seriously as if he were telling us something secret which he did not wish others to over here. He repeated his phrases over and over again very in the men surrounding them with his monotonous voice. I continued to gaze towards the foot of the slope listening to him after a long while his monologue paused. He stood up slowly saying that he had to leave us for a minute or so a few minutes and without changing the direction of my gaze. I saw him walking slowly away from us towards the near end of the field. We remain silent when he had gone after a Silence of a few minutes. So I heard Manny exclaim O'Shea. Look what he's doing. As I neither answered not raise my eyes Maja me exclaimed again. I say he's a queer old Joseph. In case he asks us for our names I said that you be more for you know B Smith. We said nothing further to each other. I was still considering whether I would go away or not when the man came back and sat down beside us again. Hardly had he sat down when my honey catching sight of the cat which had escaped him sprang up and pursued her across the field the man and I watched the chase the cat escaped once more and Manny began to throw stones at the world. She had escalated resistant from this. He began to wonder about the far end of the field aimlessly. After an interval the man spoke to me. He said that my friend was a very rough boy and asked did he get whipped off and it's cool where we going to reply indignantly that we were not national school boys to be whipped as he called it, but he remained silent he had to speak on the subject of chastise and boys his mind as if magnetized Again by his speech seemed to Circle slowly round and round, it's NewsCenter. He said that one boys were that kind they are to Whipped and well whipped when a boy was willful unruly there was nothing would do many goat but a gold sound weapon and slap on the hand or a box on the ear was no good, but he wanted was to get annoyed wrong with him. I was surprised that this sentiment and involuntarily glanced over his face as I did. So I met the Gaze of a pair of bottle green eyes peering at me from under a-twitchin forehead, but when we always away again, The man continued his monologue he seemed to have forgotten his recent liberalism. He said that if ever he found a boy talking to girls are having a girlfriend sweetheart, he would flip him and with him and that would teach him not to be talking to girls and if a boy had a girl for a sweetheart and told lies about it, then he would give him such a weapon as no boy ever gotten this world. He said that there was nothing in this world he would like so well as that He described to me how he would whip such a boy as if he will unfold and some elaborate mystery. He would love that. He said better than anything in this world and his voice as he led me monotonous leap through the mystery grew almost affectionate and seem to plead with me that I should understand them. I waited till his monologue paused again. Then I stood up abruptly lest. I should be trained my agitation or delayed a few moments pretending to fix my shoe properly and then saying that I was obliged to go add a damn good day. I went up to slope calmly but my heart was beatin quickly with fear that he would seize me by the ankles when I reached the top of the slope I turned round and without looking at him called loudly across the field morphy. My wife had an accident forced bravery in it. And it was ashamed of my paltry strategy of I had to call the name again before him and he saw me and hallooed and answer how my heart beat as he came running across the field to me. He ran as if to bring me Aid and I was penitent for in my heart. I had always despised him a little end of story to an encounter

Dubliners by James Joyce - Chapter 2 (Part 2 of 16 Full Audiobook) --- Dubliners is a collection of fifteen short stories by James Joyce, first published in 1914. They form a naturalistic depiction of Irish middle class  life in and around Dublin in the early years of the 20th century. The stories were written when Irish nationalism was at its peak, and a search for a national identity and purpose was raging; at a crossroads of history and culture, Ireland was jolted by various converging ideas and influences. --- Author: James Joyce Genre: Short Story Originally Published: June 1914 --- James Augustine Aloysius Joyce (2 February 1882 – 13 January 1941) was an Irish novelist, short story writer, poet, teacher, and literary critic. Joyce is best known for Ulysses  (1922), a landmark work in which the episodes of Homer's Odyssey are paralleled in a variety of literary styles, most famously stream of consciousness --- Audiobooks Daily is a weekly podcast featuring the best of public domain short stories, novels, poetry, and plays. Every episode features a new chapter, full audiobook, or commentary of a great literary work. Authors included on our podcast: Edgar Allan Poe, Virginia Woolf, Jane Austen, Mark Twain, William Shakespeare, Oscar Wilde, Charles Dickens, Ernest Hemingway, Arthur Conan Doyle, and many more! Join our community of literary lovers as we listen to some of the greatest fictional novels, stories, poems, and plays ever created! Episodes are uploaded four times a week.

Welcome to student brains and fitness gains a podcast for students who want to get fit. I am your host Ian has six and today. I was joined by a very special guest named Jordan Society. I have been following Jordan on Instagram for a while and this summer I discovered Jordans YouTube channel. I love this video so much that I started binge watching them. I just finished my fat loss challenge, which I documented.Instagram and I've never made progress as false as I did during this challenge both physically and mentally I started the challenge after Jordan recommended doing challenges in one of his videos and I couldn't have done it without all his insights. That is why it was such an honor to me to have Jordan on the podcast and have him answered a fitness questions that I and I think a lot of other people too are still confused about he always as keeps things real and honest which is what I like so much about him during this episode. We will talk mostly about binge eating food anxiety tracking macros and fitness myths. I think that this is my best podcast episode so far and I hope you will enjoy this episode as much as I enjoyed interviewing Jordan. Welcome to student brains and fitness gains. Thank you so much for coming on the phone calls with me today. Of course. Thank you for having me. So can you first tell us something more about yourself? Yeah. Sure. So I met short bald guy who loves to lift weights and deadlift and that's probably the best way to describe myself. But um, I'm a strength coach and a nutrition coach and I basically try my best Put out as much helpful content on Instagram and YouTube and podcast that I can. Yeah, I really really love Here YouTube channel. Thank you. That means a lot to thank you so much. I first started following you on Instagram and I really liked your content and then I thought maybe I should watch a video and I got obsessed immediately. I watched so many videos at once. I love them so much because they are super real like I think you're doing a very good job at telling people how to do it without obsessing over it. Thank you. I really appreciate that. It like makes me so happy. Thank you so much. You're welcome. So the first question I have I hear a lot of people say that you can lose weight too fast, but I was wondering what is losing way too fast. I am in love with that question. That's a really I've never been asked that question. And I think it's a very important question ask it really depends. Right? It always depends on the person and how much weight they have to lose and what their goals are, you know, a lot of people a lot of people hate on rapid fat loss. They say that it's that it's inherently bad, but If you actually look at the literature, especially with people who are have a lot of weight to lose their they are in the more like the morbidly obese category consistently people have a lot of weight to lose if they start with an initial rapid fat loss phase where they lose more weight more quickly. They actually tend to do better long-term. They then have to switch to something more sustainable. But sometimes that rapid fat loss for someone who has a lot to lose is really enough to kick-start and like increase their motivation. And then allow them to change their lifestyle, but if you're talking about someone who is relatively lean, they're not obese or morbidly obese. They they're like they have a relatively lower body fat percentage. Generally the leaner you get the slower you'll want to go and and I would say really good progress is an average of about half a pound to one pound a week, but a lot of people Hear that and they know what average means but then when it's plays out practically over time they forget and what will happen is like maybe in the first in the first four weeks, they might lose eight pounds, right and they'll be like wow, this is great. But that's an average of two pounds a week. So even if they didn't lose any more weight for another four weeks that would still be an average of Pound a week and a lot of people would go to those four weeks. Maybe they don't lose anything and they think it's not working and I'm always very very adamant about reminding them. It's not the actual day to day or week to week. It's the average over time. And so keeping that in mind that like average of half a pound of one pound a week. I'd say that's probably the Safest not from the perspective of it's dangerous metabolically or anything to lose faster. But the safest from the perspective of you'll do your best to maintain your muscle mass and your strength and you're more likely to stay consistent with it over the long term as opposed to going a little bit steeper and getting really hungry and then feeling too restricted. So it mostly depends on the person and yeah if you can maintain everything if Can stick to it that's exactly right. Yeah. Okay, then another one. I think it's very confusing. Some people say stretching is bad for you if you have sore muscles and then others say you need to stretch and I don't really know. What's the correct answer man. That is so interesting. I've never understood why someone would say stretching is bad for you is that people saying that is sort of like when people say eating fruit is bad for you. I'm like, where do you come up with this nonsense? Like what is wrong with you know stretching is absolutely not bad for you. If we really want to get nitpicky with it, which I we can go into the nitpicky science all day, but there are People who are there called there. It's what's called congenitally lakhs. Okay, and and to fancy way of saying that their joints are often hypermobile and they are just naturally very very very flexible oftentimes hyper flexible. And for them stretching actually might do more harm than good because they're oftentimes touching. Well past the point of stretching the muscle and oftentimes overstretching and stressing The Joint that's not most people Most people would do well to include some form of stretching on a regular basis. It doesn't mean you have to stretch for 30 minutes at a time. But some stretching in order to improve flexibility and Mobility is great. I will say generally speaking on a general scale most men are less flexible than women and oftentimes men would do better to include more flexibility and stretching and a training. Women would do better to include more strength training in their in their workouts because number one we all tend to really like what we're good at men. Naturally biologically, we have higher testosterone generally it have like more muscle mass. So we tend to go towards the weight room because that's what we're good at and we neglect the thing. We actually need more of which is stretching which are generally more flexible on mobile. They tend to opt more for yoga. Pilates the flexibility type training and neglect the strength which is what they would actually need more of so often times. I would say sort of flip-flopping if you're only doing strength training add some more mobility and stretching and if you're only doing mobility and stretching add some more strength training and that way you get the best of both worlds. Do you think stretching is a good thing to reduce muscle soreness? You know to my knowledge the research on stretching actually having an impact on muscle soreness is not conclusive based on my own personal experience stretching doesn't actually reduce muscle soreness. What I found though is let's say You're really really sore and like you have a really big leg workout one day and then the following day in the following two days, you're super sore and just walking around like you're stiff and stretching often times will help increase blood flow which will then make walking around you'll be like less stiff, but I don't know if it actually reduces the muscle soreness if that makes sense. Okay. I'm also very interested in the topic reverse dieting. Can you tell us what it is? Mmm, so being like this could be a hour long video, but basically reverse dieting is we're wearing You've been dieting for a long period of time and you've been losing weight. You can slowly increase your calories back to a point where you eventually reach maintenance or you could go on and into a surplus if you wanted to but rather than just going from a deficit to maintenance you slowly. Add your calories back in until where you eventually reach your maintenance and there's a there's a lot of myths and fallacies and hearsay with with reverse dieting what it actually does. there's been a lot of people who say probably the most common myth associated with it is people will use reverse dieting as a way to say like, oh look. If you're eating too little you'll go into starvation mode and I'll tell you why they'll say if you eat too few calories. Or they'll be like look I was eating like I don't know 1200 calories and I stopped losing weight. And then I added more calories back into my diet and I started losing weight again. So here for 2 that means eating too few calories put me in Starvation mode and eating more calories actually help but it's not that simple and they overlooked a major several major important points number one being just because you added calories back into your diet does I mean that you weren't still in a calorie deficit. Right. It's like if you're eating 1200 and your maintenance is at 1,800 and you go from 1200 to 1500. You're still in a calorie. Deficit. That's number one. Number two is the way that I always frame this always asked. If your weight when if your weight randomly spiked up on any given day like it spikes up by two pounds. Is that two pounds of fat that you gained and there was like no I'm like, okay, so you increase your calories and your weight Spike down. It went down like two pounds. Why is all of a sudden that equated to Fat for you? Like, why does that mean that that's that now and like how do you know that you wouldn't have lost that weight if you had just stayed at that lower calorie now and that's the reality is a lot of times just because the scale isn't moving people will think it's not working when in reality if they just Kept doing it. It would have went down that's not to say that you shouldn't that you should eat outrageously low calories. Like we just discussed like you should stay around that half pound one pound a week on a weight loss but starvation mode doesn't exist. It's just not a real thing. And you're you can't expect her wait to go down every single day every single week. okay, so what is the Diets, why would you do it? So there are many different reasons why somebody do it, I would say the main reason that I use it with clients is if you have someone in Fat Loss phase and you go directly from Fat Loss in a deficit straight back to maintenance, they will see considerable spike in the scale weight and a lot of times that can screw with people mentally in terms of like, oh my Got a skill just jumped up 5 pounds like what the fuck so I would rather sometimes slowly increase the calories back in so that it's a little bit more gradual and they have more time to get accustomed to it rather than just doing it overnight. And also if you sort of just if you don't go from if you don't slowly add them back in its you're essentially playing a guessing game in terms of where their maintenance is actually at you're like, okay, so you maybe you're eating 12 Now and I think your maintenance is around 1800. So I jumped 1800 but you don't really know so by slowly adding your calories back in you get a much better much more accurate view of when you hit maintenance. So how do you actually know your reached maintenance because your weight will always fluctuate. So how do you know? Yep, that's a wonderful question. I had was like I want to take it. So basically this is why it's a very slow and tedious process and you can't rush it and you can't let any one or two weigh-ins influence yourself influence your decision. Basically you add in a little a few calories, like maybe a hundred hundred fifty two hundred calories a week and you stay there. For about two weeks and you watch your weight Trend if it if it continues to go down then you increase more calories the following week. If it stays the same then you stay right there. And if it goes up too much over those two weeks then you decrease a little bit but like that's what you do. So usually you'll add about 100 to 200 for a week. Stay there for two weeks. Add another hundred you a hundred stay there for two weeks and another hundred stay there for two weeks. Add 50 say therefore to And then over time then you can see the trend and once it starts to it's not just any one data point but once the trend is consistently higher that's when you know, like you're either above or like okay if the trend is more level now, you know that you're right around maintenance. Okay. So when you do like the first increase, is it normal that you will gain a little bit of weight or should it? Stay the same? So what I found is the first initial weigh-in often times, they'll gain weight because either you have more food in your stomach and or often times the foods that people will first add back or carbohydrates. And so if you start eating more carbs in you're going to be holding on a more water. So the scale will Spike up the following day, maybe two days, but if you're still in a deficit, then that way it will then drop off your body will then get used to In those extra calories those extra carbs and then your weight will continue to go down if you're in a deficit but an initial Spike followed by then coming back down again is very common. Okay. I also heard that some people use a reverse diet to increase their metabolism is is that a thing or well, you know, I shouldn't just shake my head. No because I guess I guess technically it could from the perspective of You're in a calorie deficit and you're eating fewer calories. Your metabolism will go down. This is like that's what happens. That's a normal part of the fat loss process. A lot of people are like, I don't want my metabolism to go down. It's like that's that's how you do this. Like that's how it works. It doesn't mean you're damaging yourself. It's just like that's what happens when you eat more food your metabolism goes but if you keep getting more and more food than like you're going to gain weight. So when you slowly add calories back, technically, yeah, you could say you're in Your metabolism, but that doesn't mean that you're going to lose more weight. It just means that you're putting more energy into your body and that yeah, your metabolism will come back up but it doesn't I think people here increase your metabolism and equate that to weight loss, but that's not what that means. Okay. Do you think trekking micros is really necessary? No, I don't. I don't think it's necessary. I do think for a brief period of time I'm it's very helpful in terms of teaching you what foods are high in which macronutrients in terms of helping you realize what foods make you feel good. What foods don't make you feel good and just more overall education. I don't think it's bad and I know many people who do it consistently and enjoy it and I know other people myself included who fucking hate it, but it's a very good thing to do for beliefs. A brief period of time to educate yourself and from there if you like. I'm terrible with math and I hate really trying to paint a lot of numbers. So I'll just focus on calories and protein so that's all I focus on but some people really like focusing on proteins carbs and fats as well. So like basically it's whatever works best for you, but it's not necessary in the same way that it's not necessary to count calories as but just because it's not necessary doesn't mean that they don't count. count Yeah, I get it. So suppose like that. You are tracking for a few years like me and you want to stop but you don't really know how to let go of it because personally I really want to go more like to intuitive eating but I'm always scared that I won't do it. Like I won't eat enough protein or I will eat too much calories and I always end up going back. Back to tracking macros because I'm just too scared. Okay, this is a phenomenal question. And I'm not only am I happy that you asked because it's a really good question, but I'm impressed that you're open enough and honestly discuss this and be so and like very vulnerable. So thank you. This is also a very common question and very common concern that people have so I don't want you to feel like this is weird or abnormal. Let me ask you this. If somebody told you that they had never counted calories and they were really nervous and anxious to try it. What would you suggest like? What would you suggest to get them started with the idea of counting calories? I would maybe tell them to try it for one day and then see if they like it. So the first part I agree. Try it for one day see if they like it. I don't really give a fuck because they probably won't like it for the first day. They've really got but literally what you just said is exactly what you Do where it sounds like what you've been trying to do is just go from calorie counting to not calorie counting. But what if instead of calorie counting seven days a week you calorie count six days a week and you on one day you don't and you try and basically just structure your meals as you normally would without actually tracking it and then you do that for a month then from six days a week you go to five days a week and then you do that for a month and then from five days a week to four days a week and for Aggressively over time you give yourself the opportunity to make that switch because I think if you just go from one extreme to the other yes, super anxiety-producing but when you know, it's just that one day and then the following day you can get like right back to tracking it reduces the anxiety and it gives you the motivation to keep going. Okay, that is very helpful. Thank you. So I also know that you know a lot of about bench. Eating can you explain to us what it is? Yeah, it's actually a really good question. I'm going to be honest. These are all tremendous questions. I love I don't have the Batum definition of binge eating. But if I were to Define it right now or explain what it is, I would say it's an a feeling of uncontrollable eating in which you eat. Well past the point of Out of discomfort you eat well past the point of satiety you ate basically where even if you don't want to eat anymore often times, you'll just continue to eat and feel like you don't have control over it. A lot of times people do it when they're alone. They wait until other people are sleeping. They will do it in private. They won't do it in front of other people. So that's sort of how I would explain some of the most common ways people do it. Okay. So when do you know that it really is a problem because I think some people will maybe think that if you eat a lot during Christmas that you are binge eating, but when when do you really know that it is a problem? You know, it's very different person to person. I actually spoke with someone either. Yes. I think it was yesterday actually a guy who is telling me that he he had he's like he struggled with binge eating and I spoke to him more and more about it and it came out. He was like, yeah man, like sometimes I'll after work. I'll have like two or three slices of pizza and and and went like 500 calories over my my limit and I was like That's not binge eating bro. That's that's just meeting a couple extra slices of pizza. It's a problem when I think a lot of people confuse having food anxiety with binge eating right and that's what this this young man was struggling with he felt guilty about having the pizza, but he was able to control himself and after that he had the pizza he called it and then like that was it. Food anxiety is not something is it is a separate issue altogether and like neither of them are are okay. Like we want to eliminate both of them but food anxiety and binge eating or two separate issues. So binge eating you tend to know it's an issue and if you're consistently eating to the point where you are in serious discomfort, like if you consistently eat to the point where your stomach hurts not from like having a gluten intolerance, but like from Literally like eating to wear like your stomach is protruding because you're eating so much and or if you're if you find yourself deliberately waiting to eat until you're all alone. It's a very common. Very common thing people will do because they feel like if they're going to eat they're going to go nuts. They're going to eat a lot and they will get embarrassed if they're doing that in front of someone else so they won't eat in front of people and they'll save their calories for when they're all loans and then they can go nuts and have as many as possible. So if that's some of the habits that you find yourself in that's when you know that you might have a binge eating issue. Yeah, personally. I think I didn't really have like a disorder but it was a like almost like when I went over my macros. I just need everything I could and then for example when my boyfriend was at the toilet. I would just eat some more cookies when you wouldn't see it was Becky. So yeah, but how how do you think it is a problem that you can fix on your own? I'm I think I think this is probably the most unique podcast ever been on and I've been on a lot because you are asking the longest stream of best questions I've ever got thank you. This is like, I'm true. I do a lot of podcasts. Most people do not ask such great questions. Those are really it's really an honor because you are also the biggest influencer I ever interviewed and I'm still a beginner. This is my tenth episode. So well, I'm very excited to share this and I don't share most podcast that I do. The reason that I will share this is because you're asking tremendous questions, and I think it's going to be very beneficial. So huge huge huge. Promises made with that said I already forgot what your question was. How could you it was if you're suffering from binge eating. Is there a way that you can fix it on your own got it? I think the most important thing for me to say first turret in response to that is It is important to seek help for it. In terms of I think the best recommendation is find a professional to help you with it a therapist someone who specializes in helping people overcome binge eating disordered eating that's not a nutritionist. A lot of people just think everything related to food is a nutritionist. That's not the case. I actually know a lot of nutritionists who struggle with anorexia and binge eating. Beating it's a separate one entirely in a lot of it just comes from therapy. The reason I say, I think that's the most important thing to start with is because number one a lot of people don't even know that that's an issue that they should seek help for and number two is I think that it would be irresponsible of me to recommend anything else first. I don't think it's it's essential. I don't think that it's impossible to fix it on your own. I do think that. Taking the step to go see someone and seek help and find a professional will likely make it more streamlined transition. It will likely improve your chances of success, but it's not you're not destined to fail if you don't but that being said if you don't seek help from a professional you better be one of those people who absolutely when you decide to do Thing you fucking do it no matter how hard it gets because a lot of people need accountability from someone else in order to do the really hard things and that's not a bad thing. It's good to know. If you're that person needs accountability. If you can hold yourself accountable and really fight a lot of those demons in those emotions on your own. That's okay. I don't think most people are that person. I think most people would do better to have some type of professional help and nobility. Yeah personally for me. It was super scary, but I actually stopped tracking micros be good. I realized like after a long time. I realized that tracking macros was making it worse because whenever I went over them I benched and it was super super scary for me to stop tracking My Curls, but I knew it was necessary. So I think for health You're so I stopped tracking macros until I didn't have any Vengeance anymore, but it was really hard that and you are the perfect example of literally explained that it was really hard. But you knew it was right and you did it anyway and a lot of people. even if they know it's the right thing to do, they won't necessarily be They won't feel confident enough to do it. Unless they have someone there holding them accountable. The fact that you could and did is amazing and it's outrageously impressive. That's actually what I did as well. I think just when we're putting content out publicly, I would feel bad. If I didn't let people know how important it is that the option. Is there number one in that. I think a lot of people feel bad about the idea of going to a therapist or the idea of reaching out for help and I want to reduce that stigma as much as possible. But I think I'm very glad that you said that because If someone doesn't want to go to a therapist for whatever reason or if someone doesn't want to seek help. They now they know they can do it and they know it's going to be hard but they can still do it. Yeah. I also have a friend and she has a same problem and I think it was very important that you said that a nutritionist is not the person to help you. She told me that she was going to get a meal plan and I was like that is not a solution for Vinci thing, especially because Cuz it's not it's most people's psychological I think and yeah, it didn't really make sense to me. So I said yeah, you can try that but I don't think it will work. Yeah, I mean I don't think having a meal plan really in any scenario outside of if you are prepping for a physique competition and or if maybe you have a severe allergy and or like a severe like intolerance or like you are need to be on a very strict diet for medication purposes. Other than that, I don't see any practical use for a meal plan for the long-term. It is specially Not for disordered eating habits. Absolutely because if you try something that is not only meal plan and you will feel guilty again. And yeah, I don't think it will work. You just hit on like probably the number one one of the main reasons people binge is as a result of guilt. People will often start binging because of guilt whether it's the guilt of going over there calories going over there macros built a feeling like they screwed up and then that feeling of guilt often is used as an emotional justification for uncontrollable eating which will then often times become unfortunately a habit which is very hard to get over guilt is probably the main driver of that and having a rigid me. Plan to follow that is it's begging for Guilt which is then perpetuating binge eating. So if you want to go and seek help, where do you know where you should seek help like do you need help from a psychologist or yes, so I would say absolutely talk to a psychologist. I would say like a therapist or psychologist. I mean, I've put out a lot of content on binge eating and so if if seeing a therapist or psychologist is out of the question, I would definitely look at any of the content that I've done. But also I haven't done this but I would imagine if you Google searched binge eating disorder help binge eating disorder therapy. Something would come up in which you'd find a licensed therapist. Okay. Yeah. I always recommend people to watch your video about binge eating because it was super recognizable to me and I was like, yeah, I think it's already a very good thing to know that you're not the only person struggling with this. Yeah, and that's why I really love this video. Thank you. I really I'm super glad it helped. So now something completely else. I hear from a lot of Fitness influencers that you need to drink a gallon of water today the day personally. I tried it, but I had to feel like all the time. I was in class and I had to walk out because I had Pee so badly, so I was wondering if it's really necessary to drink that much. No, it's not necessary to drink that much and you know, it's interesting the more I see people saying like you need to drink these like you need to drink these really really outrageously massive quantities of water the more I wonder how many people are going to suffer from incontinence as they get older because they've weakened their bladder so much. Holding in your pee is not smart. The bladder is the only muscle in your body that actually gets weaker. The more you work it. You don't want to hold in your pee very much. So obviously you want to stay hydrated but there's a difference between staying hydrated and and just forcing yourself to drink outrageous amounts of water. Usually our body is very good at telling us if we need to drink If you start to get really thirsty drink if your pee is starting to get darker that like darker yellow or yellow darker yellow or brown which is like definitely not good. Then you need to pee you want you don't even necessarily want completely clear urine like there should be a slight hint of color to it. So if you are noticing that like you're super thirsty or your peas getting too dark drink, otherwise like I wouldn't worry about it too much. Yeah, and I think it can actually be very dangerous because I heard a story from someone in my country that drank too much and she had water poisoning and not to go to the hospital. That's that's as super as sad. I hope she ended up being okay. There are there are people who unfortunately very sadly passed away from drinking too much it can it can to my knowledge dilute your blood the but if you drink too much then let you can dilute your To the work point where like you can actually die from it, which always is then it goes back to the point of moderation and everything. It's like too much of anything no matter what isn't good for you. Okay. So what do you do when you want to go work out, but you don't have a lot of energy. What do you do when you want to go work out but you don't have a lot of energy. Yeah, and like does that mean are you like if you're not going to go work out because you're tired. Yes. I mean like how do you still motivate yourself to go to the gym or how do you make sure that you have more energy so you can workouts so man anyone who solves that problem is going to be very rich. but a couple things number one is I think having a goal. a defined goal not just like fat loss and not just getting stronger but a defined goal to look forward to that is very important to you that you are excited to achieve is probably the best way to consistently get yourself to the gym even and especially when you don't want to because It's something to reach for and it's something to be excited for and it's a purpose a lot of times anytime that I haven't had a defined goal. I've consistently found it harder to get to the gym on a more consistent basis anytime. I've had a clearly defined goal. The times in which I don't want to go to the gym are fewer and further between and I said that deliberately in the perspective of there are still times when I don't want to go to the gym, but they're fewer and further between and the the level to which I really don't want to go to the gym like the intensity of it is far less when I have something that I'm really reaching for. Whereas if you're just going to go without much of a clearly defined goal, it's much easier to say I don't need to whatever and like it's easier to sort of succumb to the to the lack of energy to the lack of motivation. So I think having clearly defined goals Bar None the most important thing outside of that one of my favorite mental strategies is simply just instead of thinking about how I feel in the Moment right now that I don't want to go thinking about how I'll feel at the end of the day if I don't go versus if I do go and literally imagining myself in both situations lying in bed about to go to sleep for the night and thinking am I going to be proud of myself today? for not going or am I going to be proud of myself today for going and sometimes the answer will be I'll be proud of myself for not going if I had a really awful chest cold and I felt anxious about not going to the gym for a fear of losing all their progress. I would probably be more proud of myself for resting and staying in bed and not letting that fear get the best of me. Other times I will feel more proud that I pushed myself to get to the gym and did something rather than nothing because a lot of times. Just because you're not motivated and don't have the energy. It's just used as an excuse. Right and like I I've been trying to think of a word to use outside of excuse lately because I feel like there's almost a bad connotation with like the no excuses mindset. So I'm like trying to figure out how I can frame it better. It's a people don't immediately like hate on it, but the truth is You will odds are you'll feel better and more proud of yourself at the end of the day for doing it. Even when you didn't want to do it in that moment, which is oftentimes just thinking of your future emotions in your future self is enough to be. All right. You know what I'll just fucking go I'll do something and then a lot of times those workouts are some of your best workouts. Yeah, I agree. So I also think sometimes you just need to push through because at the start of my fitness journey, I actually wanted to start going to the gym to increase my energy levels because I was tired all the time and I was also finding it very hard to go because I was tired, but when I went more often, I was also less tired. So yeah and that to me is One of the most interesting things about Fitness and working out where when you're tired. The last thing you want to do is go to the gym. ironically, it's the most important thing for you to do because doing that will it will reinvigorate you it will give you more energy and It's just so interesting to me how often times when we're really stressed really tired. Don't want to go to the gym. That's literally the single most important time to do it because of all of the health and mental and emotional benefits that come with it physiologically psychologically everything and a lot of the things that we feel in the moment before we go will dissipate once we actually go and the things that are keeping us from wanting to go will actually go away once we've actually gone and done it whereas if we don't go When we lie in bed, those feelings will just get stronger and stronger and stronger as I like. It's the hardest thing to do, but sometimes that's exactly what you need to do in order to overcome it. Yeah, we're sometimes I tell myself I have too much work. So I have to work for school instead of going to the gym but then afterwards I just realized that if I go I am way more productive and I could have done it like I could have done the workout and the Schooler can I am so so with you on that. It's painful times how how much I convinced myself. I can't go to the gym because I have so much work to do and then realizing how much time I wasted doing literally nothing when I could have been at the gym doing something. Yes indeed. So if you are a maintenance your weights and you want to like change your body composition. It probably takes a little bit longer to see the difference and I was wondering how long it takes. If you're maintaining your weight to see a difference the really good question. Basically, it's called somebody recomposition where when you're not really eating in a massive Surplus or eating in a massive deficit you're more or less staying around maintenance, but also building strength getting stronger building muscle and Also losing fat at the same time. I would say. Realistically every 90 days every three months. You should see some progress on on the from side-by-side pictures. I'd say every six months. You should see legitimate. Like wow, that's like really cool but on a month-to-month basis, you're not going to see much. Usually it's like every three months just to like make sure you can see like some some clear changes and every six months to be like, holy fuck. Fuck I didn't realize that was happening. So would you recommend it or would you recommend cutting I'm bulking. for someone who is new to Fitness Generally, I recommend doing either a cut or a bulk mainly because I would say for a number of reasons not least of which being when you're new and you let's say you go into a bulk. You you stop being so much more opportunity to progress. We like that extra Fuel and like taking advantage of it when you just start is really it's like it's really helpful. Also when you're new you tend to have less realistic expectations. And so you want to see faster results. So whether that's in a bulk or cut at least you're seeing something happen on a more consistent monthly basis for someone who's more advanced. They have more muscle mass which means they also have more muscle mass to lose which is like a greater risk. I would rather them stay closer to maintenance because you don't want them to get too much body fat added on because a lot of times that'll build then want to do a radical cut which will then lose muscle mass. And you don't want to get them in too much of a deficit because you want them losing muscle mass. And so usually maintenance is the best place for them to stay because they can sustain it for the long term. They're not expecting a rapid results. Hopefully if they have like a little bit more logical mind set and they can get the best of both worlds. Okay. So I think yeah, you recently did a burger challenge like a Big Mac every day. I thought it was super interesting to see I also so watch the video not completely yet, but I watched the piece. So what was the purpose of that challenge? So the purpose of that challenge was basically to allow people to see that you can enjoy your favorite foods in moderation without feeling guilty or shameful or getting anxiety thinking you're ruining your progress. And in fact, you can actually do it and still continue to make progress. And yeah, you were eating a burger every day, right? Yay One Big Mac a day every day for 30 days and usually people are like wait, that's all you ate. And it's like no I see other food to I had a regular diet aside of that and everything. I ate was a lot of what I was put in the documentary as well. I shared that as share that too. But basically I included a Big Mac in my diet every day because I wanted to show people that you can do that while Still losing weight, and I'm not saying it's healthy and I'm not recommending anyone else do that. But I am saying that It's important to know the truth about how to lose weight and how to lose fat. And the truth is there are no such thing as there is no such thing as good or bad foods. There is no such thing as good calories bad calories. There is only such a thing as total calories. That's it. That doesn't mean that a Big Mac is as nutritious for you as a grilled chicken salad tomatoes and avocado and all that stuff, but it does Is mean that in terms of total energy and total calories if they both have 540 they both have 540 and if your calories are in check at the end of the day, you'll continue to lose fat. Obviously the salad would probably fill you up more be more nutrient-dense. It might even allow you to be more consistent with your diet on a regular basis. It might prevent you from binging later at night because you're more full but if on a random day you end up having the burger don't feel bad or guilty. About it. It's fine. But I'm also the comments on the challenge for insane. I've seen it. Yeah, they're a lot it was crazy. Do you know why people are so like so intense waited and so surprised I think there's a lot of confusing information out there. Right and it's funny people would DME and they'd be like, look, here's your post saying that calories like are most important for fat loss and And directly beneath my post is someone else saying calories don't matter right? It's like they're just constantly being fed opposing viewpoints and it's one thing to read. What someone is saying is it's one thing to read a book read an Instagram post watching YouTube video here a podcast. It's another thing to actually watch someone do it and I think for people to see me do that every day and prove it to them. I think it was the light bulb like the light switch moment that people needed not to be like wow, so he's been saying this and other people are saying he's wrong, but he just did it. So like it's true and I think that's really why people were so freaking out about it because to my knowledge, I'm one of the first people To document not just the burger but my weight every day and the spikes and the fluctuations and my mood and my performance. So I think it was the most in-depth look someone has really had at that yet, which I'm really excited about. Yeah, and that's also why I really love like watching your videos because everything is real you share the bad moments and the good moments which makes it way more realistic and like also it motivates. You more because you know like this person is having this D struggles to and it's normal to have them a hundred percent. It makes me super happy to hear that. Thank you. You're welcome. So if people want to follow you which I really recommend them to do where can they find you they can just Google my name, which is just Jordan site syat T and find me on Instagram and YouTube and my own podcast so it'll come up here. Google search my name and I just want to say thank you for a really tremendous podcast. You ask some very thoughtful insightful questions, and I'm very excited to share this with with my audience. So make sure that you text me the link once it's up so that I can share it on my Instagram. Thank you so much for going on the podcast. It was an honor for me. You're my favorite YouTuber. So it was super cool to have you here and thank you so much. I really appreciate you. Have a wonderful day. Okay. Thank you. You too. Bye. Bye. That was today's episode. I hope you enjoyed it. I left all Jordan social media pages in the description. If you enjoyed this episode, then please leave a review on iTunes. It would make me super happy. Thank you for listening and I will see you in the next one.

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Hi guys, and welcome back to another episode of girls talk. My name is Abigail and I'm Caitlin. I'm Lauren and I'm sorry I've been waiting for someone to do that. So badly. I think you're good the best. Oh my god. I've been with because we never explained that that they should wait. So I've been waiting for someone to mess it up and I just love that you did honestly, perfect. I love it. Anyways, we have a special guest on today. We're very excited. We have Lauren on from what's your blog name? I can orange. It is Lawrence younits.com. Has it always been that. Yeah. Okay, I'm a pimp. She changed her like branding like kind of yeah. Hmm. That might be it. I don't know. I've been out of the hole like blog Loop for a while. So it's all good, aren't we all anyways, so we're very excited for today's episode because we're going to be talking about mental health, which is fun. We have never talked about this before on the podcast, but it's something I struggle with Kaylin. I don't know if you Struggle with it but mental health. Yeah. Yes, duh. It doesn't well, okay, very true. If you don't like please let us know how I want to know. Yeah. So before we get into the episode we're going to do some live updates. So Caitlin, Oh, I'm going first. Yeah. Okay. So I just have like a few little ones. So Thanksgiving was couple days ago. I spent Thanksgiving with Kyle's family and we literally got there at like 11:30 a.m. And by 11:45 a.m. His aunt was asking us to take two shots. I said no very politely everyone else took a double tequila shot and I was like, well, okay it is now my day is gonna be um, so that was my Thanksgiving. And then I Friday night. I I've been wanting to do this for a while and I just could never get up the guts to do it. But I wanted to dye my hair actually Brown like be a brunette and I don't know why because I always hate when people say I'm brunette and not blond. But so when I was at the grocery store on Friday, I passed the hair dye aisle, and I was like, let's just like look and I found one I liked so I bought it and so I went home Friday and I dyed my hair. And I just washed it for the first time since I dyed it so it's still wet, but I'm waiting for it to dry. So I can actually see the color of it. I can tell it's darker but I can also tell I should have bought two boxes because my hair is so freaking long because the ends of it are not as dark as the top of it is but it's definitely darker but I don't think anyone else will notice. I just think all notice because to me it just looks like I haven't washed my hair in 10 days like That's the color of my hair kids when I don't wash my hair, but now it's just gonna look like that all the time. So that's cool. That's literally all I've done. So that's my life. Right now. I have not had a lot going we did recorded like earlier 3 or 4 days ago. Not a lot has happened. We went to Thanksgiving. It was fine. It was my first holiday away from my own family. We were Are from like noon to like 8 o'clock at night. It was such a long day, but it was fun. It was good, you know got to know Brad's family on like a little more personal level and I guess I've been working really hard on trying to solidify and plan out my goals for 2020 for my business and just kind of get everything in order and try and figure out what the heck I'm doing. So I'm currently working on my personal website in training like making it less of a resume website and more of like a services like here's what I offer kind of website. So that's what I've been busy doing. And yeah, that's basically it. Okay. Hopefully I'm actually talking inter now and not randomly. Yeah amazing. That's funny. We all spent Thanksgiving with Our significant other families and not our own families. Oh, yeah. That's right. Yeah, I went to my boyfriend Jax house because my parents are five hours away and I had to work the days surrounding Thanksgiving. So I went to his house and that was really fun. And honestly, my life has been pretty much the same. I guess I've never been on here before but you know, my life has been pretty steady. I started going to Orange Theory which has been fun because I am really not an exercise person because like when I get to the Jim I have no idea what I'm doing. So I've liked having like the instructional aspect of that. I've only gone for like four or five classes now, but honestly, that's way more that I've gone to the gym in a really long time. So I think it's been helping me get there. So I'm enjoying that and I also just dyed my hair like Caitlin I did. Oh, yeah, I did. Yeah, I did Balayage. I think that's how you say it. Maybe I'm saying it wrong. But yeah, it's like more blonde now, which is fun because I've only Dyed it once before and I did like a darker brown. So this is definitely different than anything I've ever had. So that's pretty cool. But yeah, that's all that's going on with me. Okay. So we're going to take a brief break for our sponsor of this episode and then we'll actually figure out who Lauren and then we'll get into the topic of today's episode. This episode is sponsored by anchor if you didn't know Abigail and I use anchor to host our cast who even know you needed a podcast host not us when we first started in we're thinking about creating our podcast. So luckily for us Abigail stumbled upon anchor and it's what we've been using since day one. It is literally the easiest way to make a podcast because it gives you everything you need in one place for free. Yes free. Free2go means that you can use it right from your phone or your computer. The cool thing about anchor. Well, there's a lot of cool things about anger. But the coolest thing about anchor is that they'll distribute your podcast for you. 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That was yeah. Well, thanks. You're welcome. Kill it. I don't know. I don't know where you wrote the thing for this episode. I know I was gonna say I wrote out everything for this but it's the week that Abigail supposed to host something. I feel like this is happening. Um, well, I guess we always just ask usually like how you started blogging or why you started blogging is one of the things we ask all our guests. All right. So I yeah started in January 2017, I think and it was my winter break of like junior year, I believe and I was So going through it having a rough time with like boys and I was just really pretty depressed and I was just looking for something to spend my time and like a more productive way and not just at my room and be sad, so I posted my first blog post. I think it was called something like you are not alone and I just kind of talked about like what was going on with my mental halls and I ended up sharing it with a bunch of people like that went to UMass with me. I and we're in my sorority and I ended up getting like a really good response and talking to people who ooh, I knew pretty well and I had no idea that they also had like mental health things going on. So I decide to keep blogging because I was like, oh like this could actually be helpful and like help people. So I did kind of like Branch out of my scope there and do more like travel like stuff when I was abroad and more just like random College stuff not exclusively mental health. But yeah, that's kind of how I started out. Yeah. I can kind of relate to that because whenever we've talked about this before but like when I started blogging it was kind of like an online journal and it wasn't really like to help. People it was like me kind of like talking and I think one of my first things was talking about social anxiety or something and then the guy that I was kind of almost dating at the time reached out to me about it. And I was like Wow me too and then that's how that happened. And obviously that didn't know because I know with that guy anymore, but we're not talking about that. I could really work out for the better. So Oh for sure. He's also engaged right now. I was like, well, I can't wait but I think it would be kind of important if we talked about for like all three of us if we're like clinically diagnosed with any mental health conditions or like if we just think we have one that's not diagnosed or anything like that. I don't know who wants to go first. I don't think over it looks fine. Yeah, so I've been diagnosed with generalized anxiety disorder. I believe I was diagnosed person the seventh grade and then around the same time that I started vlogging. I was diagnosed with depression. Yeah, so I'm kind of along the same lines except I was diagnosed with anxiety my junior year of college, but I've been suffering from it since middle school and I've never been diagnosed with depression, but I definitely have it it is like that. Those go hand in hand. So oh, yeah, I'm sure you have one you kind of have both. So yeah, I am not clinically diagnosed with anything. Although I'm 100% positive. I have social anxiety. I feel like I think I've had it my whole life. Honestly. I've always like people always said I was just shy but I really think that it's social anxiety and I guess we can talk more about it later. I don't think I have anything else because I get depressive episodes, but it's not like I don't think I have depression. I think it's completely different because I know people that have depression and I don't think I'm I don't think I have depression. Yeah, I feel like being like going through states of being depresses in normal thing for human. Yes, but when it's like extended I think that's where the issue comes in. Yeah, when it's like weeks and months at a time. I feel like that would be more depressed. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. I've been waiting. You to like do stuff because this is your episode. I know you can talk about whatever you want. You know, I know I was trying my God. We're at three points. You don't have to follow them. Those are just questions. So I wouldn't forget them laughter is so I guess everyone's mental health kind of expresses itself in a different way. Like for me my anxiety that I didn't know I had was like it got to a point where like I would walk up to like across walked across the street and I would be like so nervous like what if what if the light changed like before I got there? Like, how should I handle this? Like what if like, I don't even know like I can't even tell you the thousands of situations that went through my head. I approached a stop light as a pedestrian. But like that's when I started realizing like hey, maybe this isn't normal. Like how have you liked? I guess. How did your mental? I don't know what I'm trying to say. How did it like first out? How dinner yeah, like, how did you think you like? Yeah. Something words are hard. Yeah. I totally get that. I remember like when I was younger I would have liked or I would complain of a lot of stomach aches. I don't know if like my stomach actually hurt. I have no idea. I like I don't I remember that party. Yeah, like I feel like that's a really common like presentation when you're like a younger kid because obviously like when you're like 7 you have no idea what anxiety is you're probably just gonna say you don't feel well because like you don't so I remember like complaining all the time about stomachaches and I had probably like every test under the side like I had I remember what it's called but like when they stick like that like microscope thing like literally down your throat like check everything out. Yeah. I don't know what it's called, but I had to have that like they put you out for it, but still like I wasn't Right about that. Um, I had that and they didn't find anything wrong with my stomach. So obviously my parents were like what is happening like the doctor had no idea and it took them like I feel like this whole process started like the third grade and I wasn't diagnosed until like the seventh grade so I don't know why it took that long to diagnosed anxiety. I have no idea. But yeah, that's kind of how it presented itself like back then now I don't think I get as many like stomach aches or maybe I just like know what the feeling is so I don't like Think it's a stomach ache. I honestly have no idea but that's how it all began. So did we did you like approach your parents feel like hey, like I think this is what it is or did they just like was it just through all the testing and like they were just slowly ruling stuff out. Yeah. I think they like start to pull stuff out and I'm pretty sure my parents like got me a therapist really had me going to therapy because like also with my anxiety. Like I really did not want to go to school like that was like my big thing. I think I like just didn't like to be like separated away from my parents because I enjoyed learning I just like Didn't want to physically go if that makes sense. So they ended up getting me like a therapist over time because they're like, well you need to go to school obviously. So I think yeah, it kind of came from that. I don't obviously remember the specifics because I was fairly young but yeah, that's interesting. I feel like a lot of people now like even if they were young they would be able to like be like, oh like I think I have this because I feel like it's talked about more now and I feel like the internet is Or present now so like even like kids in middle school and like late Elementary School have phones and on on the internet all the time. So they like have an idea of like what depression or anxiety and stuff is so that I feel like they'd be able to go to a doctor and be like, hey, like I think I have for sure which is kind of cool. Yeah. I feel like it's a lot like I mean, it's still like a taboo subject, but I think it's more like people are like more willing to talk about it, especially like at younger ages to like I remember like even Like high school, like I was afraid to tell people that like I had anxiety because I was like, they're not gonna understand what that is. And now I'm like I freely talk about it. I'm a lot of people like do relate to it. So yeah, it's very interesting. I don't know if it's just because I've gotten older or if like the times are changing, you know. Yeah, I also just feel like a bunch of I wouldn't say it's like the culture but I feel like our generation is like the generation has so many issues with them because of like just things that past Generations did to set up our lives and stuff and I feel like I don't know what the percentages I should probably look this up. But I feel like a very high percentage of our generation has some sort of like anxiety or depression, which is crazy. I know yeah. Yeah. It's I wonder though if it's like more people have it or if it's just like more diagnosed, you know, ya go. Mmm-hmm. That's true. Because I feel like that is true is very like because acid not talked about before, you know. Yeah, or it was like misdiagnosed. So does anyone in your family have a history of like mental health issues? Yeah, both of my parents do all the all the women on my mom's side have problems with anxiety and depression and some like thank you. I'm pretty sure all the women in my family have like OCD or like small sort of anxiety which none of them want my aunt was on medication for He stuff because it was really bad after she had her son. But now that I'm older and I talk to them like more about this kind of stuff. They're just like yeah, I do that too. And I'm like that doesn't like you don't think that's not normal and they're like, no, I think that's normal and I'm like, I don't think that's normal. I think you need to see a doctor about that. That's also I don't know. It's just a weird. Yeah, I don't know if that made no it definitely made sense. Yeah, I feel like a lot of people like the kind of like push it to the side and they're like, oh like it's on an issue. Like I've done it my whole life but like it might be like signifying an underlying my whole family's. Yes. Yeah, I feel like I make that excuse all the time. I'm like a my whole family's like this is fine. I don't need to do anything. I definitely understand. Um, so I since I'm not like diagnosis anything. I don't take any medicine or anything, I think. I think from what you've both told me. I think you both are on medications. Yeah. Do you guys think it actually helps or like is it hard to get on or I'm a whole different person now than I was when I wasn't on it. I mean like even a few I guess whose season like you can see how like when like my meds aren't working properly. You know how I just like wasn't myself. I mean I can definitely tell for sure. Yeah, and so it definitely changed like I don't wake up. Sad, I don't like not I'm motivated. Now, you know, I have regular eating habits. I sleep regularly now, it's not you know, it's way better than life was before it. Yeah same for me. I think it's definitely like helped me a lot. My medication is like changed like the different doses. But now I think like I'm finally on a kind of steady dose and I think it's been helping. I honestly don't think I would have been able to like study abroad or even move to Massachusetts like away from home if I wasn't taking medication because like I mean, obviously I still have anxiety but it's definitely not nearly to the magnitude and if that's the right word, but Like that it was before I started taking medication. I'm all for it agreed. I think it's like secret will die. So I really good. No, go ahead. Go ahead like very helpful in conjunction to taking medication. Like I think it like if you can I think doing both at the same time is probably the most like effective way at least like I found to Help. Yeah, I have found it so hard to get into therapy. Like I can't even it's been a struggle but I like just enjoying it or finding a good notice finding somebody just finding somebody people won't return your calls. You know, I know it's hard to get Germans. It's ridiculous. yeah, because I I was actually going to start seeing a therapist. I told Kyle this like two months ago. I had looked up all the therapists and within like 30 40 minute range that took my insurance and I went through all of like their bios and stuff and I found like one or two and then I was just like I don't want to call anyone but I don't want to actually go through this and then I got stressed about how much it would cost and then I was just like, you know, maybe I shouldn't do this and then I was just like I need to stop money to actually do it. Yeah, it's hard to motivate yourself to actually do it. And then once you do, it's so hard to get want to call you back. And then if you go and you don't like them, but it's like start the whole process again. It's like starting. Yeah, I was lucky when I moved to where I am. Now I Massachusetts like the first one that I found like I really like her but I was such like a rare thing for me. Like I've cycled through so many therapists in my life and like it. Yeah, it's really hard to find one you like have you or that takes your insurance if you only ever had It's really hard to find one that you like or that takes your insurance. Oh you cut out for like two seconds. So I'll even like two words and I was like that doesn't make any sense. But I was going to ask have you ever had female therapist? No, I've had male therapist to it just happens that the one I have now is female but I've had a male one that I've liked as well, okay? Okay, I've heard a lot of people say that they only like the certain gender that they are of the other gender. So I was just interested to know. Yeah, I don't know. I don't think I have a preference but I know some people definitely do. Um, so Kailyn, I know you mentioned earlier like the whole social media thing and mental health. So I kind of wanted to get you all his opinions on how social media like in my opinion I think social media has Her eyes mental health in a negative way in some aspects and like I don't know if you all feel the same but I feel like some people like use like anxiety depression is like a trendy thing, you know, I okay. I was going to say this earlier but I didn't want to offend anyone but I kind of agree but I also feel like I can't agree because we have no idea if they actually have it or not. It's really hard because if you don't want to make fun of someone if they actually do Have like a mental health condition but like you if they're like glamorizing it it's kind of like do you really though but like I don't want to second-guess them. It's yeah, it's hard. Yeah, it's definitely hard to determine like just from Reading like a small snippet online like, oh does this person like actually have this problem or do they not and like it's annoying because it definitely like contribu lies it. Oh, no, I think I just try to like ignore. I heard that part like okay, that sounds like kind of bad but like but like talking about like Mental Health Online, like for me has been really helpful and like finding other people who really feel like like I could necessarily say that like social media is like Negative for mental health but like I definitely can see like people like glamorizing it. So I really know where I stand I'm whole issue to be honest. I'm trying to think of an example but I don't want to put anyone on yeah. Yeah, I think this on trying to think of like I'm trying to get like a really famous like annoying YouTuber that no one likes anyways, and I can't think of what yeah, I feel like the smaller like I guess bloggers YouTubers Etc who have like a smaller following that are more, you know engaged and stuff like that. It's I feel like that's more genuine and real than like, I don't know just like the bigger people. I don't know like whatever I think like I know he's probably never talked about it. But I feel like like Jake Paul or Logan poems, like instantly pops into my mind because I feel like like not that they've addressed the issue like exactly but they'll kind of throw it out. Like I don't know. I don't know what I'm like how I'm trying to explain this know. I like definitely get what you mean. Like, I feel like they say it just like pull in more views or like try to be. Yeah well, but like they're not actually And like I guess like what sometimes when like larger like influencers or celebrities talk about it. Like it's almost like comforting to hear because you're like, oh wow, like these people like hat seem to have it all but there's still kind of going through like what I'm going through and like I can relate to them but like sometimes like it's very obviously like baked or not. I don't know if it's fake but like they're clearly like kind of just like using it to try to like get something from Their audience or like something like that. So like I don't know it's like Hard to tell I guess. Yeah, and just to save an example like how hard it is to tell like one of my YouTubers that I fall a lot is Alicia Marie and she would always like kind of just like so like oh, yeah, like I have anxiety. I like never go into it and I was like girl there's no way you have anxiety like your life is all put together Bona blah blah blah. She started a podcast I think early this year late last year and went more in-depth about it. And I was like, wow, I actually like believe you now like not that I didn't like knob. were before but I didn't think she was doing it for like clout or anything, but I was just like it wasn't believable but I don't know what I'm trying to say. Like it's just kind of like how I was saying are like it's hard to tell like if they actually mean it or not because like you're not in their brain all day long. Yeah, I think we even if you want to believe them, I think that's a good example because like when she really started getting popular that was like four or five years ago. So that was like in Peak, you know, only show your highlight reel like everything is bubbly and exciting and like super vibrant videos and all that stuff so I can see how Like I don't know that kind of hides it and especially I mean as a blogger myself like it's a very lonely thing so you can easily, you know, like hide that part of your life because you're not hanging out with other people and it's just like you producing the content so Mmm Yeah. It's a tricky tricky subject. So if not had anything else to say about that, I was gonna change the topic, okay? So you guys both have general anxiety yet? Yeah, okay, and then I have social anxiety. So I've always wondered kind of what the difference is. And so I feel like because I get really anxious like if I have to call someone on the phone like if I have to if I'm at a restaurant and they mess up my order. I don't want to tell them it's wrong. I'll just I don't like I used to not want to like order at restaurants because I didn't want to talk to anyone and like I won't talk to anyone and at work or like in social situations unless they talk. First because I'm always in my head. I'm always thinking like what if they hate me? They're just pretending to like me like they don't actually want to be around me. They actually hate me like that's what's going on in my head and I feel like is it the same thing but with everything is that which it like that ideas is I feel about everything you overthink everything honestly, I guess like yeah, I don't know how to describe it. Yeah, I guess it is like like the name suggests like more General like I guess mine isn't only a about social situations like sometimes it will be I think I've gotten like better about that than I have in the past. Like I definitely have the same feeling of like talking to people and I'm like, oh my God, like do they actually hate me and like that kind of stuff but I don't know. I think I'm still like fairly outgoing like with people but yeah, I guess it is like now I'm just like rambling. But yeah, I guess it sounds like more General because I feel like mine is Out like a bunch of like random stuff. Yeah, I just felt like whenever I mean I was like struggling really bad with it. It just feels like this there's this pressure on your chest and like everything is so overwhelming at all times and like you're thinking about a thousand different different situations about how one thing can go and it's just like it's so overwhelming and it just feels like this cloud is just following you everywhere. It's like hanging over you and I don't it just feels like like I don't know when I was first dealing with it and everything, you know, people were like, oh she's stressed. It's just dress like whatever. I'm like no, this is different. Like I know what stress feels like, this is like I'd like I feel like it's hard to breathe. I feel like my heart rate is always like super fast and like I don't know now that's like a really good description and I think Yeah, I would cry at like everything so I yeah, I had one did I have my first panic attack? I don't think I remember my first panic attack. I've had a lot more this year than I've ever had ever 2019 is literally so I cannot wait for this year to be over honestly hated it hated everything about it. What is your 2020 so bad. Um, a lot of panic attacks this year it was over like literally really not like stupid stuff but stuff like I'm just like why why do I care so much about that one little thing like, yeah. I've never had a panic attack in public though. So that's good. They're always in my car for in the shower. Look a big thing for me that I didn't realize wasn't normal was like someone would say something and like that sentence or that phrase or whatever would stick with me for weeks and months. Like oh my wait that's not normal Let It Go, like there's some things to this day. That's still like Bother Me Like Somebody probably doesn't even remember that. They said it but like yeah. Oh my God. I didn't know that wasn't normal. I don't think it's I thought that looks like me holding a grudge or me just being like like like so I can make a definitely like depends on like white it is you're remembering what if it was like a blatant insult than like, yeah, like I've got this pretty normal. Yeah, I feel but if it's just like yeah something totally random like then. Yeah. I don't know that happens to be a lot. That's where I'm like reading my whole entire life. Do you guys have like certain triggers or like? Yeah. I would say like I mean, I feel like this is pretty normal. But just whenever there's like a big life change or something, especially from like graduating was a big wine. I think I mean when I had that big ball of anxiety and depression at the beginning of October, I don't really know what caused that. I mean it was just Yeah, it just just there they do along for the ride the big life changes, you know. And I feel like I'm you know our age like it's pretty normal to feel anxious and stressed about the future. You know. Yeah, I think mine is like fairly situational like yeah, like life changes or like stressful things going on. But then also like sometimes it'll be like little stuff like I'll be thinking like I'll be driving somewhere and I'll be like, oh like is there gonna be like a place to park there like something like that? Oh my God. I have my body no idea. Like I don't know if there's anything like specific that like triggers it. It's just like a wide wide variety, but I think I have gotten like a lot better at controlling it and kind of like pushing the thoughts away. Where is like a couple of years ago? Like I wouldn't be able to turn things off. So yeah. Can we just take a minute to drop her that perfect thing for a second because there have been so many times. I'm like no, I don't want to go because I don't know if they're going to be parking in a don't even have to park on the street. I don't know if there's a parking lot. I don't know. I have to look up directions. And then what if the directions are wrong and like what if I'm just thinking about all these random things and then I'm just like if someone were to be like oh like let's go to my house and said a dick. Okay, because I know exactly like how to get there. I know how to park and there's no changing factor that that's yeah. I know. Yeah, I relate to that a lot. Like where I'm living right now is like pretty city like and I absolutely hate parallel parking. I'm just not good at it and I especially hate it when like can't you're on a road and you're trying to parallel park and like there's another car like coming behind you and they're waiting for you and you're just like go around like you don't want to watch this like it's so bad like that. Oh my God. Those are like the worst. I'm like thinking about going somewhere. I'm like, oh my god. Do I have to parallel park? They're like, oh I was going to a restaurant with my friend the other night. Night, and I didn't know if there's really a parking lot or not. So I just started like spyler that wasn't a word spiraling in my head it like didn't escalate to the point of like a panic attack or anything. So it was definitely more like of a mild anxiety kind of thing, but it's still something that's like there and it's like I'm spending my time to think about that if that makes sense. So like that's annoying but like it's like it's like I've kind of learned how to deal with This is kind of related but like not so this is just me being interested. So I do this thing where when I'm listening to music very loud in my car. And I do this thing where when I'm about to like parkour when I'm somewhere and I'm like don't know where I'm going and I have the directions on I'm like which way do I turn I turn the music down the sound so weird. I turn the music down so I can my mom not the normal thing to do. It's like so you can process your thoughts better. I didn't even recognize that I did that until I was in the car with Kyle's brother one time and he literally said that he was like hold up. You gotta turn the music down so I can see and I was like, wait, what do that? And I was like do other people do. Yeah. I know I think a lot of people do that. It's just so funny to like put it into words and think about yeah, it's so strange. Yeah, I don't know if the word see is there. It's like to concentrate I guess. Yeah, it's just so funny when he said it I was like wait what that's like I know exactly. Would you have any advice for someone that is dealing with mental health or having a really bad mental health day. I think like the worst thing for me is to keep it like all inside because then like I'll just kind of spiral even more and like just go further like deeper into my thoughts and like think of a hundred different situations and things. The way things can play out and like I'll just get so much worse. So for me definitely talking to my parents or to my boyfriend or going to therapy. I think that's like it's like talking to friends. Like that's definitely helped me a lot and like in conjunction with medication as well because like if I'm just sitting like in my bed doing nothing just thinking like I'll just like go straight into like a spider also like definitely talking and I'm definitely lucky to have like people in my life that are understanding and like You know, like what anxiety is and like don't trivialize it because I know it could definitely be hard for people if like the people around them like don't understand it. So it's definitely easier to say like, oh like talk to people don't like it can be like actually do that. So it's yeah, it's like a tough situation because like that's definitely the thing that helps me the most but like I know for some people it's just like not very feasible, but Yeah, that's my thoughts on that. Yeah, I just kind of like to be left alone. So you're the opposite. Yeah, I don't know like I'm kind of I kind of have the mindset of I just need to make it through today. And when I wake up tomorrow, I'll feel better because you usually in the mornings like I feel better after I've had a nice night sleep. So I just like try to focus on making it through the day. Yeah, it's definitely different for everyone. Look. I'm like a mixture of both. Because like a mix, yeah, like I have a really hard time putting like how I'm feeling into words and like trying to explain to someone why I'm feeling anxious or what I'm feeling. Like I just can't like it's it doesn't work because I don't just really not get it like explaining my emotions like that. Yeah. It's so different like they're everyone pi. I feel like talking to someone would help me so much. But the thing is I feel like I just cannot talk to anyone. So kind of when he said Lauren so I'm just kind of like stuck and I'm also just going like once today. What's tomorrow comes like I'll be fine. Like I already I've always had the mentality that like, oh tomorrow's a different day like tomorrow will be better even if like it. I've been thinking that for like five days in a row and I was just like tomorrow will be better. But that's why I feel like journaling really helps. me it's definitely not the same as talking to someone sometime usually like I'll have like a few bad days and then I'll be like I have to talk to someone about it. So I'll usually either talk to like my sister or Kyle about it. Sometimes they understand and sometimes they don't because I feel like it's hard to understand like if you're not experiencing it. I don't know. I will say like two people in the like a recent few months. Like since I've been working from home, it's easy to you know, get depressed and kind of in your own head. So I will say like calling my mom just to talk not even about like how I'm feeling but just like I don't know just to talk about whatever like that does help but the minute I try and start explaining like what I'm feeling it just nope. Yeah. I feel like I can express more of how I'm feeling not by like saying it but not by like writing down how I feel but like If I like find if I'm reading a book or like if I'm reading like poetry I'm like this. This is how I feel like they wrote it for me. That's how I feel. I can't really put it into words most of the times because I'll just be like Oh, I'm stressed because of this thing and they're like that doesn't make sense. Like what does in my eyes hard to like Express sometimes because like what you're saying like my like make perfect sense to you, but like it sounds so irrational to someone else. A lot of times I like say something and I'm like, I know this sounds crazy and it makes no sense. But this is why I get all the time because I'm like thinking about like so many different like possible situations that could happen in the future and I'm like, I'm stressed because this might happen even though it's like five days in advance and I have like absolutely no idea like yeah, so it's like it sounds crazy to someone else but it's like completely like what you're thinking in your head. Yes, it's like I I used to do this more in high school, but I used to literally plan out every single day. Like when I would go to sleep I'd lay down and in my head and I'm okay. This is exactly how tomorrow is gonna go and I don't do it as much anymore but there are definitely like moments or like events that I plan out in my head. And if one thing goes wrong, I'm like no I can't I can't do it anymore have to leave this isn't working for me. Yeah, I totally got that like there's something that's like stressing me out like about tomorrow. And I'm like, oh if this happens and this is going to happen or if this happens then this is gonna happen. Like I like every like five different scenarios like planned out in my head of like way that things are going to go and like in reality. I have absolutely no idea. I'd like there's no way to control it. So like yeah, no I do that like every day. I mean, it's nice because it like it helps you prepare for different situation, but then it also sucks because then you're thinking about every single bad thing that could happen time. It's like I just want to sit here and watch the office and I can't because I'm thinking about like a million things are going to happen tomorrow. Lauren have the EU prepared questions for us. If you have any I did think of some questions, so I think yeah. So the first thing I thought about is I know you are both really into fitness. And coming from someone who is not very into fitness. Like how have you think? Well, I can't form a sentence. Like how do you think that like exercising like has helped with your mental health? Like if it has Josh like how did you like start doing it? It gives me a release from just the day-to-day life. Like when I'm in that moment and I'm you know, pushing myself in struggling like that's all I'm focusing on and so it's nice to it like shuts off everything else. Like that's the only thing I can focus on so like kind of calms my brain. It makes my brain a little more quiet. So I guess my answer is going to be that good because recently working on has kind of been stressing me out. I don't I can't figure out why like I will go to the gym, but as soon as I get there I get super stressed. It's not that I haven't been enjoying it like today today. My workout was great. But also I feel like it may I feel like I'm on my phone too much and then I just I don't get I don't let myself enjoy working out because I'm looking too much at everyone's perfect Instagram life in between sets. So today I did not let myself do anything on my phone while I was working out and I felt great. So I feel like if I actually continued to do that. working out We'll go back to being like a release for me as of right now. It's not really. And I go through phases of that as well, which I think I mentioned we're sometimes working out to me is like the best thing ever and sometimes it's like stresses me out. And it also depends on what I'm doing. Like if I if I'm really sad, I don't really want to go lifting. In the gym, it just makes me more depressed because I'm already sad and then I'll just get sad about how much weight I'm not lifting. So if I'm sad I'd like I like I prefer cardio instead because then I'm in it's okay if I'm in my head the whole time because you're not doing anything else and usually if I'm doing cardio, I'm either running outside, which thought about automatically makes me happier or I'm on a treadmill like or StairMaster like watching a Netflix show that I freaking love. So like I feel like when I do, Hardy I'm always happy after it just really is hit or miss when I'm like lifting when I used to do spin classes, they helped so much. They made me really happy. They would always make my day better, but I haven't done a spin class in like two years and I haven't done one of my new gym because I have anxiety about going to them that's like interesting that you're saying like the have like the different. Types of exercise like affect you because like I never thought about that before but like now I can like looking at like my own life. I totally see that like running outside for me is the complete opposite like it causes me so much stress like I hate it and then since I've been like doing like or I guess not even like orange theory, but like just like group fitness classes in general like that's like when my mind like kind of like clears out because I'm just like focusing on like what the You're saying and like doing that but like I don't have time to think about everything that's going on in my mind. So yeah, and when I'm in group fitness to I'm also I'm a very very competitive person and not to brag but when I use at least when I used to go to spin classes, I think I was a person there. Maybe I wasn't but in my mind I was and so when I'm in the gym, I'm obviously not but like strongest person there which also leads to my stress. And I'm like, why are they lifting more than me? That's not fair, which is why I can't do it when I'm having a bad mental health. That's so funny. I just like know that I sock. So I'm just like it's fine. Everyone else is automatically better than me because I'm not in shape. Did you have another question or was it just the way I like have another one? I'm just like trying to think of how to word it. So give me one second. Okay, you're good. So I guess like so when you guys are like I literally don't know how to wear this. I like know what I'm trying to ask. So I like can't think of what to say. hmm I like basically was like trying to ask like her like work. Like do you guys like feel like you're so like in the zone that like it like kind of distracts you from everything like kind of going on like mental health wise or like do you find it hard to like concentrate at work because of that like, I don't know if that question made sense, but oh my God, no that made so much things I could. Hi. I can never focus on anything at all. I am like the most scatter brained person ever. I will be doing one thing one second and then five seconds later. I'm just over here like la dee da dee da like I don't know what's going on. Like there's this there's this GIF of Boo from Monsters Inc, or she's dancing in a circle singing while the law and I'm always like that's me like 24/7 because I've no idea whatever's going on, but at work, I'm like, I feel like I would be able to concentrate. Great so much more if I did not have my phone with me, but I always have my phone with me because I'm always listening to a podcast but listening to a podcast is what makes me be able to focus because it's the same person talking for hours and hours and hours and nothing is changing so I can focus but with such a can't you listen to it on your computer? Okay. The thing is I have a I don't have a Macbook at work. I have an iMac. And I have my corded headphones and they don't want to the behind the behind the monitor. And I could use my I guess I could use my wireless headphones. But I like to only use them for the gym because they're already secondhand and they're gonna die soon. I don't want to have to buy new ones and I don't care if my Gordon headphones drop dead because I've bought like five pairs of these already before and they're like 10 bucks. So well, they're like $20. But I also can't concentrate at work just because I'm changing tasks every like 15 minutes. I need to be able to do the same thing all day long. Some days I have good days. And then some days. I'm just like oh my God, it's only 9:30. I thought yeah. I feel like it like when I'm working on something. No, you don't really like having anxiety or anything and it does distract me but then because I do work for myself and right now like I'm just starting out like a don't have a lot of work to do. So when I don't have a lot of work then I start having anxiety because I feel like I should be doing work, but then I don't have work to do so it's like this whole spiral. But I try to avoid but yeah. Yeah, the only other time that I really had troubles with social anxiety at work, cuz when it's always when I just first start working it's like asking for help with stuff. I any time I've ever shared a new job. It would take me like 30 minutes to ask for help with something and now I'm just I'm just like hey guys, I like I know how to do this. All right. So I think that just about wraps up this episode. So thank you guys so much for listening. Thank you Lauren for coming on we love talking to you and we'll have all of your information Down Below in the show notes. So if y'all are listening go check her out and you can go follow us on Twitter. I girls talk without the A and podcast Caitlin. Did you actually include it in the show notes last week? I did. Yeah, I Update the template we have in Trello, but besides that I did write it in there. Yeah. Oh lord. For some reason. We just, you know didn't think that you needed the actual links as we said it so many times but some people are lazy. Yeah go follow us there. Go check out Lauren go check out her blog social media is all that fun stuff Caitlin and eyes are always in the description so you can go check us out as well and right interview us and then so long. Yeah, right interview us and iTunes if you want or apple podcasts. What is it? I don't know what it's I don't know. I'm just it's Apple account is that I just ran away. I think so. Okay. I don't know anyways, right us. But not like us individually. Yeah. Yeah, so that's about it, and we'll talk to you guys in another episode next week. Okay. Bye.

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She is of course a three-time Academy Award nominee for her work. In Cold Mountain like notes cut off there, but I actually know this off the top of my head Chicago and Bridget Jones Diary. Oh whew, okay pulled that out. She has created such an indelible characters that include but are not limited to Roxie Hart Bridget Jones Nurse Betty and Dorothy Boyd still. I doubt even her biggest fans were prepared for her completely transformative work is Judy Garland and Judy for which she has already earned Golden Globe Spirit award and said Award nominations. Please welcome Renee Zellweger. I promise you say thank you. What a kind. Welcome. Thanks. And would thank you so much for being here. These are all hello. Actors fellows a members. I knew I didn't need to change into fancy clothes you got here people and now it so I actually always like to start at the beginning and ask. How did you get your sag card? What was the job that brought that to you? Right? That's a conundrum, isn't it? Do you guys remember that going right? Okay, so I just have to work in a sad thing to get my sag card, but I can't work in his acting and was that my son card? I didn't major in math, but no even if I did that with nah, there's no way around that Coors Light. That's right was Coors Light commercial crew is like commercial and I think it was just an accidental fluke kind of thing. I don't think it was meant to be anything special and then suddenly I think it was one of those mysterious upgrades that you don't understand at that time. Yeah. That was it was a mystery upgrade. Do you have a line in it? Do you remember? Oh, absolutely not. Now I played volleyball on the beach and burnt my retinas on reflector foil and rollerbladed down a hill before I knew how to stop sometimes you lie special skills. She was out shoveling shout out here. Did you shoot that a Texas still we went to Mexico wow. Yes. Okay. So this when you were still living in Texas and they flew down to Mexico. Yeah, that's amazing. Wow. We're young and going to Mexico. I can rollerblade. I actually want to go back and start at the beginning because you were born and I believe raised in Katy, Texas, which is you know far away from the bright lights of Hollywood. When did you know that you wanted to be an actor? In college on the set of a thesis film that director student of film was making and there were maybe five of us who were on her cast and crew, you know, so I people during their sometimes. Yeah young woman. She was in Wrigley Rick linklater is class which is kind of fun. And yeah, she just needed some some actors. And so anytime anyone asks me. How do I Get a start. I don't know now because all the online stuff it seems there's so much more opportunity to be seen but I still think going down there to the film school and submitting your headshot is worthwhile. Right? Is that still good advice or am I giving away my agenda because you're working with yeah, you're working with the next generation of filmmakers possibly. So that was it. We were on the set in the middle of nowhere and we were doing this Flannery O'Connor short story or hurt it hurt into Imitation of it and and I don't know I got the bug I just got I just I didn't understand why this felt very important to me but I couldn't wait for the next opportunity. Was this the first thing you done acting? Yes, I to make some money. I had done a little bit of commercial photography with locally. No Austin still an art town and the place was just chock-a-block with artists of you know, and Medium when in the 90s when I was you know out there so this one's going to be a photographer. He needs models and this one's right music and he needs a singer and this one's you know, and so you kind of hop around with your friends and do these little projects together. So I had done a lot of you know, just local print stuff just for you know for friends and then I had done some commercial work to pay for college because boyo boy those residual checks go a long she was someone who did like school plays or anything like that I did but I looked I was really small and I looked younger than I was and so my theater director kind of had a hard time taking me seriously. Really? Yeah, so I where is he now? She she's still do you know she's still teaching and she was like man and it was fine now did when I play And we did Children's Theater every year. It's spring break. We would do a children's play and we would be the field trip for the elementary schools. They would come and see our our little play that we put on so I go. Oh that's really cool left it. So when you made the decision that this was something you want to pursue his pursue as a career. Did you take classes where you completely self-taught? So where do we even start? I took a theater class as a requirement to get my degree. I didn't I didn't do it because I thought I wanted to be an actress really know. I remembered that. I loved it as a kid, but I thought I was going to write and this was a requirement to get your Fine Arts. You know, thank goodness. It's still a requirement. And yeah, I just went to the class because it fit fit in the schedule between my late night, you know job and everything else that was going on and I Of the really yeah, but that wasn't it. It was it was that thesis film. Did you actually like learn a certain method in that class that you still use today? No, we didn't really study. We just performed things. So you would write your own stuff and then you would perform it. Yeah. It was a cool way of learning at yeah. Sure. Yeah and you actually booked quite a few things when you're in Texas. I believe eight seconds. Yeah on there. Are ya John Jay Hamilton? Yeah great director and I believe you did the Texas Chainsaw Massacre Next Generation. When were there both booked in Texas that's work out of my life, which starred future fellow Oscar winner Matthew McConaughey as I'm coming. I mean, it sounds silly. But when you were on that said, could you tell like he was going places? For for us on that set. Yeah, we were just excited that we had our job. And so the goal was to get another job, you know, and so I mean, I don't know maybe he had dreams and things I knew he was going to move out to Los Angeles. I knew that he was he was reading for other roles in films and not long after he moved out here. Here and he got Angels in the Outfield. I think it was probably because people were responding to Dazed and Confused before it was released because when we were shooting Chainsaw Massacre that wasn't released yet. And yeah, so he he moved out about I think six months maybe nine months a year before I before I did what was the deciding factor in you moving out to Los Angeles. It was it was so hard one because it wasn't In the cards, really? Well not the cards that I picked for myself anyway, but when does that ever work? I was I want to stay in Texas. I just thought I was just keep working and I couldn't live in my town and stay here with my friends and make a living now, but at that time that wasn't true it might be more true. Now. We were booking a lot of work. I was busy. I was busy, but at some point I Understood that it wasn't a job. It was a creative opportunity and it was with every job becoming increasingly more important to me and I can't explain it. I've thought a lot about it, but why does a painter tooth canvas and paint? I don't know. Why don't I make sculpture. I don't know photography, you know, whatever it is that grabs your heart. It's sort of inexplicable and SWAT was happening to me and my opportunities to work continued but the opportunity to grow as an artist was a little bit stifled. There wasn't a lot of film that came to town. It was wonderful though, because when you did work on a film it was the same crew. So you knew everybody. Oh no. Oh, yeah, it's great, you know a couple of players that would come and go because some things with shooting simultaneously, but it was much rarer than that. You had three or four films happening in Texas at once. And now it's you know staying pretty standard. But yeah it I got this call and I was going through this very, you know, this thoughts thinking that I really don't think I have to go I can stay here and I can stay here and the phone rang and it was my agent saying hey, I got a job for you and I said, yep. See there you go to go anywhere and he said it's up and down. You got to go, you know tomorrow if you don't do it, it's Long John Silver's and I thought that's good money. Yeah, you can make a you can make a chili all along John Silver's. You know, now I just I I thought right I get it. I get it if I want to explore different creative experiences. I would need to go where there were more opportunities. Well, I was curious because I know you received an independent Spirit Award for Best debut performance. For 11:45 and after that I was wondering if that raised your profile of people were encouraging you to come out or it was always going to be the plan. I had just come out at that point. Okay, and the phone started to ring which is really weird because I didn't give anybody my phone number. So that was weird. That's really weird. And they said before social media right Hollywood, man and you right so It was just you know, as a friend of a friend from a producer of a thing and you know from 11:45 that film which I had shot while I was still living in Los Angeles. Oh, you did shoot that now, I mean and I'm sorry, Texas. I was still living in Austin. Yeah, and what if I think you're big sort of breakthrough roles of was Empire Records, which has like such a beloved cult following did you know sort of at the time that you were onto something special because that's one of those movies that I don't know if it made a big impact at the on the time. I'm but in the years since its release people love that movie. Yeah, it was it's so weird to think that it was sort of I don't know at the tail end of an era. Yeah. It didn't seem like that at the time that that it was going to change so profoundly and just a matter of I don't know maybe five years, but now it was more it was just an adventure at the time it was special because the There's were a lot of fun and it was felt like we were at warhol's factory or something because Alan who directed the film was such a savant and he was so creatively fluid and he wanted everything to kind of flow and to see what happened quite quite a bit. So that was my first experience with that as pretty fun. Are you going back and watch that recently or are you someone who never watches your performances every day every day? Come on over guys, it holds up really. Well. I really think it was ahead of its time. Yeah. Well, I have to go back and have a look. Yeah, I mean it felt it felt cool. Yeah the time it's a great time. Yeah, for sure and you followed that with a what I think was your big commercial breakthrough with Jerry Maguire where you played the single mother who falls for Tom Cruise's Title Character. I know that that was a big yet as they say a lot of people wanted that. All Tom Cruise was probably has never been a while. He still doing really well. Don't get me wrong. But that was really at the peak of his Fame. What do you remember about the process of booking that role? Wow, everything? I remember everything really? Oh, I remember everything about that except what song I was planting. It was by a band called Everything But the Girl and my manager gave me the CD the Dave. Before and I remember popping it into the player and rolling all the windows down and laughing all the way to Sony was this for the audition or when you got the part it was for the audition. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, did you realize what a big deal this was when those sides came in and when you first went in for the meeting or did you try not to think about it? I never really it didn't really seem like a possibility to me. So it didn't really matter. You know, I just want to do a good job. For the casting director who I really liked and then I wanted to do a good job for Cameron when I met him and he just felt Kindred to me right away, you know, he's music guy now, I didn't know that at all. I didn't understand that the time this is really embarrassing especially being that I did go to university that the posters on the wall in James Brooks office. Yeah. Love the same. Things that's awesome. I get it now. Yeah, I was naive. I was green and and I wasn't, you know, I wasn't looking for anything. So there was never any disappointment. It was all just really cool and just a really neat adventure to see what would happen next. Stand the fact that that was going to be on the list was hilarious to me, you know, has that happened, you know, you must be good at auditioning. I'm presuming. Um, oh, I don't know you did pretty well out of the gate. Oh, yeah. You didn't see me in Woody Allen's office. No y'all. Oh, no. No, no, if you look up Circle the Drain there's my picture in the chair. Not pretty was this after Jerry Maguire was before okay. It was right after love and 45 came out I guess was 94 and I didn't really grow up a connoisseur of film and on a sinful. I didn't we didn't have access to moved here where I lived and we don't have cable. So, you know, you watched Wizard of Oz and you watch The Sound of Music Year, there's one more in there. It's wonderful life. There's that one because my fine and was that oh sure ya went to see that at the movies because you know back in the day when they play children's movies for like a month remember that we stayed in theaters. Yeah, so I didn't I didn't know Woody Allen's work, but all my friends that I had made out in Los Angeles very Be aware of you know his importance as a filmmaker and then I got nervous and then I was flying there going this is premature. This is really too soon. This is too soon. I'm not ready for this. Do you think that you self-sabotage did or you were just nervous and yeah, really a hundred percent. What a loser. It's a lot better story than everything went great is great. I mean, did you have to do a scene or did you just freeze up or do a scene? Yeah, it was for Mighty Aphrodite. Oh, yeah, Anna and the scene was it's cold, you know, you don't know what you're going to do only get there are fine so you can see the sides and and if you guys know the mighty Aphrodite film appears to be right and yeah, right she's a fantastic in In this found out so it didn't matter if I was if I did the best audition of my life, it would not have happened or have been that you know. Yeah. She was amazing. So it's that really explicit scene where she's talking about having multiple partners at one time. Hi nice to meet you learn these words that I don't really use. Say them, so no type are oh, wow. Yeah, it was cool though. I went into his projection room. And there was Celluloid and it was on the floor, you know, there's fly physical things everywhere and this magazine like a Hot Rod Magazine, which I thought was interesting. But what a cool what a cool story to have been in Woody Allen's Cutting Room. Yeah. It's almost better than it went badly. Lee now you'll remember it I'm going with that. You're Jerry Maguire audition must have gone pretty well because you landed the part. Do you remember when you got the news because you said you couldn't even believe this was happening. I mean, when did it finally sink in? Well, we were at Sundance with with the whole wide world. Oh sure, which was Dan Ireland's first picture and he started the Seattle film festival and he's Now I'm very sad about that. But what an adventure that was we shot that in Austin in 1995 in the summer. And here we were going to Sundance. What was your first time at Sundance second. I went for five minutes for love and 45 minutes. We thought and met John Kirby knows are oh that's your manager to this day. He's right. No, I'm a truant. Oh, sorry. Sorry, Ron. Hard drives get wait a long you guys been together. How long have we been married? 26 years 26 years. He's been your manager. Wow. That's amazing. Cool. Yeah lucky. So you were there at the Sundance Film Festival, is that when you got the word? Yeah, it had been a while. And so I kind of felt that oh no. Oh, yeah, it's okay. I had great day have a lot of fun on the set at Sony doing screen test. Yeah whole lot of fun and so my whole family came up because because we were going to Sundance for the whole wide world premiere and so my mom and dad came and the dog was there. And my brother had gone out because how we were okay. We were got the phone rang and and it was Cameron and he said hey, hey Z. I said hi. And here it comes. You know, he's like, so I just want to say, you know, it was really great hanging out and getting to meet you and I mean, thank you. I'm like just Hurry up and break my heart already. It's great. You did great job and you know, he's just a lot of fun and I just wanted to thank you for for for you know coming out doing all that with us. Yeah. No, thank you. It was awesome. It's yeah, so I was wondering if you know you maybe you maybe want to what the part? What did you say? So yeah, I'm so so the next day I think there was an announcement about it and in variety or something like that. This was I guess my first big deal thingy and my brother went out to get the variety could you know, they throw around at Sundance? Yeah, I could cry just thinking about it. Sweet. I mean He is that Dorothy was such a was like a tub like she's passed or something, but she's such a great character. It's such a great movie actually have a question from the audience. I think it's Richard is that correct? Says I fell in love with you and Jerry Maguire like the rest of the world did how many times a week? Do you hear you had me at hello. And do you ever Tire of that? No, not enough a couple times. I don't go out much. So, you know, it'd be weird if I heard it a lot. Here inside the house. Yeah. Yeah now but it's still touch a thing. It's what a cool thing. You know, somebody gives you a line like that right? Come on. Yep. He's a hell of a rider that man Annie It's really really great filmmaker. Yes. How did that movie sort of change. You're not only your career. Obviously it really shot you into the stratosphere, but how did To change your life both, you know, whether in a good way or sometimes a negative way when you're suddenly put in the spotlight like that. Well, there's that. I know that it changed my life in ways that I don't really see because it because you know, John Kirby know is there and he's busy or yeah, so there's that but you know, I went to go do a little film and in New York. The price of Ruby right for like five cents. We were making a very different character to yeah very and it was what a great experience that was, you know back in the honey wagons where the toilet is your couch is your you know table is you know, that they don't rent so creepy when it's cushions don't write as doing that when all this other stuff was going on. Ali and I didn't go I didn't do promotion for Jerry Maguire. In fact, I asked John Cabrera. Oh if I could please have a public publicist person to say no for me because I didn't want to upset anybody. I wanted to be responsible and grateful but I wasn't ready to be the lady on the couch. Wow, you know, I wasn't ready for that. I knew that that Going to turn my life upside down and I just kind of wanted to put my toe in the water and step in slowly. So did you do any interviews? I think I went on Rosie O'Donnell. Yeah. Okay, so I did that and and and I'm I'm I think I might have like a Woody Allen personality because I think I brought the Woody Allen personality to the Rosie Show. I'm pretty sure that the nervous you watched it. Oh, yeah for sure. No, come on. It doesn't matter. It's just one of those things that it's so surreal that you kind of don't have a context for what it is that you're experiencing. What's an it's a weird situation to to bring someone onto a set with the giant audience and you know, just start chatting. So sure it's going to be bumpy probably. Yeah. It was a little bit was interesting. Yeah, so did that and I think maybe took some pictures I think maybe and then when price per rubies came out or something. I think I did a press junket for that because it was a smaller film. I went to national board of review for that and did interviews to that or remember that right is everybody still awake out there. Well, it's actually it's interesting because by the year 2000 well movie. I really want to touch on as Nurse Betty which was such a way such a Dark comedy, but really like heart-wrenching movie from neela Butte and I know that you won a Golden Globe award for your performance, but you were in the bathroom when they called your name. Yeah. I'm starting to wonder if you were purposely hiding because God is Were you telling him a complex? I'm crawling. I don't have a complex. This is early days new experiences brand-new. I just finished Bridget Jones. I think I'd gone through a breakup, you know big heartbreaking breakup thing. Now as they are I guess that's why it's called a breakup, you know anyway, And then it's time to put on a dress and go, you know do your thing and you really don't even really feel like you know putting on jeans to go to the coffee shop, you know let alone. But anyway, what a treat to be invited to that. Yeah super it was cool, but I felt really awkward because well because you can't before you learn how to do something like that. It feels you know, it was a privilege and I loved my dress and all that stuff, you know, but I guess when your brain is someplace else. It's a it's a skill that you develop to compartmentalize to sort of put your personal life side and go and enjoy this moment that might never happen again, right? And so there was a lot of that and so I was with my friend I was with John Kirby know and my friends and it was really neat. It was a fun night and and I got a red carpet and you know the road like condolences in the interviews like Noun, so you did, you know, it's not about winning right? It's about you know, it's that I know this movie really, you know it touch people and you know, whatever wasn't by the end of the thing I was like, okay, so sad up my table and you know, I was just thinking about how uncomfortable I was at that moment. I thought you know, I could just go for a little walk and I'll just go to the bathroom for a second and just like, you know What lipstick I'm going to go and put on some lipstick. That's the answer. So I went back to bathroom. We looked on the program and I was with Kevin to Vain and who is the other gentlemen. Let me think wasn't it Diane Fosston Berg's husband. Yep, Barry Diller and there's a nice me and we looked at them and they were going to go the bathroom and I thought yeah, I'm gonna jump on this I'm going with them. So we got we all looking at the program to make sure that it was a good time to go and the lights would come on and the room which indicates that are gone off in the room rather which indicates that they're cooling the room and it's Joe is not on for the moment we go the bathroom and I'm digging through my purse and I'm looking around, you know, put my lipstick on and put it back in and it won't close. I won't. Yeah, I mean, it won't close and so something's got to go right in this tiny little I mean, what is that? You don't really like right right. It's like here you can take a key holder. You can maybe get the key in there. You know if you remember it. Yeah, so, okay. So now it won't close and then I look up and I go. Oh my goodness. That's a little too much lipstick. I better get that hot sun look at how I get a napkin and wiping off the lipstick and throw the though the napkin in the trash and I'm still Close this Rubik's cube of a maze of hers and it won't close. I'm like, you know how need lipstick a morning but lipstick on and I did too much of us if I can stay there all night. So I'm throw out the lipstick click perfect. Oh, that's too much. I wiped off too much lipstick. Okay. Now I'm going in so I'm digging in the trash. For my lipstick and I hear there's some baby man screaming. Hey, hey, come on, and I'm like, oh my God don't you know that the thing is televised and they can hear him screaming. Running a red. Hey, and it still doesn't occur to me. I'm thinking you know, there's bound there's a lot of Renee's at the Golden Globe digging digging and then I thought and then a young lady came over to me and she knew touch me and she said I think he's talking to you. So I left the lipstick and I poked my head out and Kevin and Barry said but you got to come now. You won you got to come now. Oh my gosh. And I think the moment would have come and gone. If not for sweet Hugh Grant doing his soft shoe there. I wanna stretch out the moment, you know, you're granted his most befuddled if you watch the clip. Yeah, he's he's just because he knows you're there. Bridget Jones at that point we just finished. Oh, okay. We finish each other. Yeah. Well, so you didn't deliberately self-sabotage. It sounds like it was an accident. Oh that part certainly Why didn't it didn't occur to me that that was a possibility either, you know, so it was perfectly safe to go to the restroom in my opinion as we mentioned you followed that with Bridget Jones Diary which you know was an adaptation of this beloved book because you were so great. Are you are so great. It was so successful in spawn to Great sequels. I think maybe a lot of people don't know that it was kind of slightly controversial casting at the time. You know, I don't know if it was because like people thought it should be a Brit or because she's just such a beloved character. We were able to just tune that out and go off and be awesome. You are good for a girls. Are you going to slide that in there like that? I would never think about it that way, but I'm thank you. No, I mean where you don't learn Jones? It's very rare actually for comedic performance like that to get recognized by the academy. Yeah, II they're getting better about it. I think so. Yeah, I mean because there have been some performances. I mean, all right like Joan Cusack in The Addams Family drunk you second everyone and everything. Yeah, but you guys I mean was it she just stood off the charts? Anyway, I digress oh, we didn't have social media back then. So maybe it was easier to turn to in that stuff out. And yeah, I didn't I wasn't aware of it. Oh what happened in just make you aware of it? I'm sorry. Oh, no. No, I'll be okay. Oh, yeah, it turned out. Okay. Yeah. No, I mean there were tiny bits of it that I would see just because of the nature of the research that I was doing because I was working at picador publishing which represented Helen Fielding. And in my internship, you know, I wanted to work the Publishers to understand what Bridget did what her work was so they pretended that I was the I guess the the cousin of the editor there. So the nepotism made sense and I have been studying in America for 10 years, which explained my weird accent really nailed the British accent when you had to go. Thanks, boo. And yeah, a lot of help yeah constant consistent help for a long time after three movies, you know over the course of all these years. Why do you think people love Bridget so much mean? She's the Woody Allen personality, you know, it's her Humanity. I think I think that you know, Well, I mean first of all, what's not to love about a woman who has so much joy clearly and who fearlessly goes forward despite her self-doubt and finally if you know, she finds self-acceptance and different sports in her life, like we all do and to sort of be able to relate to a person who is imperfect but still has triumphs all the time, you know, because that's the truth and life, isn't it? Yeah. And your Chemistry with Colin Firth is so amazing. It's funny to me because in the book Bridget Jones the characters obsessed with Colin Firth and obviously you can't do that in the movie because he's right there playing Mark Darcy, by the way. I just someone just asked me this today is Bridget Jones Diary a Christmas movie. Oh, isn't that interested in? Yes. Yeah, I would say yes, I mean that it ends with the snow the first one it starts at Christmas after Christmas and go on holiday of certainly could be So interesting, I hadn't thought about it that way but yeah sure. Why not is Die Hard? Whether or not die hard is a Christmas movie Yes. Okay. Okay. So you followed that with another oscar-nominated role. You actually went to SAG Awards for Chicago one for your performance one for besides Ensemble again, I think you subverted expectations because movie musicals at this time. We're not a safe bets this it really kind of started the trend of major movie musicals and And I don't think people expect it to be as good as it was and to do as well as it were you nervous going into that. I mean also you have to sing and dance and that's what I was nervous. I was nervous about that because you know, these are proper ho first, you know, Catherine started on the West End when she was a little girl. Yeah, but that quickly sort of took a backseat to the schedule and also just Joy, yeah a bang in the middle of that process and watching it go Go, you know just in full force. It was extraordinary to be in the middle of that and watch people who are just so gifted at the top of their games in their Bliss expressing themselves. And this new sort of I don't know way of filming a musical and what do you say about Rob Marshall's imagination meaning? Yeah. Would you be interested in doing another Musical? Sure. It's a lot of work. Don't notice. It really know. It's Joy. Well joy, when I look at the schedule and it makes me go but it you don't, you know, feel it. It's your favorite. I mean, I don't know your favorite friend. It's your favorite hobby is your favorite meal. It's your favorite vacation. It's your favorite creative challenge all rolled into one. Thing it's it was an unbelievable blessing to do that from did you have experience singing and dancing before that or did you start from scratch? Well, there was that tiny bit in with coyote Shivers. All right Empire Records. Yeah. There was that there was that this is like you're the lead role in a musical. You're pretty much in every scene singing and dancing. I mean I I can't even imagine the preparation. Where do we even began? Well, we were on this stage that they created on a loading dock in Toronto. And you know, we have those stations. It look like a basketball gym. The the main floor is about that size vast, you know on the periphery and then you had little rooms off the side that you'd have the piano in there and you'd rehearse that number in there and then you go over here and you work on that song and then whatever the number was that they're working on that day would be on the main floor and you would rotate it was like Camp, you know, that sounds so fun if it was and it's not live. So at least you get another shot at it. I guess I would have I I dreamt those numbers really. I jumped those numbers because I didn't want to want to mess up. Yeah because as you know, you think about the shared numbers and everything. That had to go right in every single take in order to complete the scene and those those dancers on you know, these bungees and the exhaustion that they must experience not even halfway through the day and then to be asked to continue on and on and on and then I just like missing a beat or a word or huh. I would have dreamt about that on you know, Richard Gere's Slap Ya musical numbers the press conference about being the marionette on Richard Gere's loud and and dum dum bump bump bump bump and he pulls me up I would wake up you're kidding like shut up like yes during yeah, I would be my subconscious was working that all night. Yeah. Anna I would wake up when he on that beat and that crazy it's amazing days anyway, so I can say that consciously the pressure I didn't experience it. But certainly it was in there somewhere the following year. You played Ruby thoose in Cold Mountain another beloved performance that when you so many awards had to start making up new ones for you sag War the bafta award the Golden Globe and of course the Academy Award for best supporting actress. Sure. That was a nice really really nice those against such a beloved novel. I feel like it when you of course, you know, it turned out to be a great movie. You guys were all great in it. But there is there ever a concern when you're doing something that beloved, you know, that people aren't going to respond to it. I don't think about it. That way. I never go outside of the experience. I worry more about that. I don't want to That I want to do my best for the people. I'm working with, you know for my partners in the project, you know all showing up and trying to create this one thing together. And so that's where my mind is. I want to MMM Ruby seems like a really challenging character. I mean, she's so much fun. We love her instantly, but I mean just just the harshness of the shooting conditions and like such a unique character. I'm curious. Is how you sort of found your way into her it helped. Yeah, so it helped it really helped everything felt. Yeah, we got to Romania and I'm thinking that the government changed only happened about 10 or 15 years before so it was still very interesting to see what it was from the west or the modern West that was being integrated into culture. Like I remember I had these spaceship sheets on my bed in the spaceships on them and they'll spaceship whole sheets on my bed and and a red towel and the tag was still on the towel. And I knew I knew that it was a point of Pride that this was a new towel, you know? Yeah, so the people people still lived really close to the Earth, you know, you would be driving down the mountain because we stayed in point of Branch offices, which was a skiing training Olympic Village kind of training Village that felt like the land that time forgot it felt like maybe the swimming pool was built in the 20s and everything else around it, you know the old gym equipment if you're a very lucky enough to come across some of that stuff is so fascinating to see but you'd wind down the mountain half an hour into brush off at the Is a mountain and there would be farmers in the field and the kind of you know, see it that roof sort of Hut right there for hanging out, I guess to watch the sheep and watch the weather because the weather would determine the work of the day. So you'd see these guys standing out in the field and looking around to see what was necessary that day. Wow. Yeah, and I mean the things it was putting a gift, you know to live among that for a while. While and I learned the cows really do come home. It's not just an expression. Oh, they'll go out to pasture four o'clock in the morning with tiny little children tiny children, you know, we're worried let him play in the backyard and they're getting marching off to take the coughs, you know, miles and miles and miles to the fields. You know, you have to rub your eyes not sure what you're seeing and then at the end of the day, what if we would go home at Sunset the cows would be coming home and they know where they live. That's so interesting a knock on the door. It's weird. They each name is here tomorrow and tomorrow stand outside and move outside their respective homes. Wow, that is hilarious frame. But you had steak plans tonight that weird but now the elements and all of these things just made it. It was very helpful because you know, she's you know, she's in the Earth. Yeah the Earth and it just felt it was very helpful to live that closely to so many people whose lives are still determined by my nature in such a way. You can actually see your guys's breath so much in that movie because it's so cold which I guess helps if you're playing a cold character. Yeah easier to pretend it's cold when it's cold. There's so many things I want to touch on. Movies like Miss Potter and Cinderella Man, but we have to get to Judy because I know we're on a schedule. Okay, I'm looking at you there and still not believing it's entirely you. I don't know if you knew you were up there. Oh, yeah. So I'm going to start with Judy herself. Were you a fan where it was? She someone you dreamed you might play some day or did that just seemed like such a crazy idea. Oh never occurred to me that that was a good idea or that that would ever be something that soon would propose. I know I don't consider myself a performer. I don't do enough done live performance before and I didn't consider myself a singer of you know of those sorts of songs. I've been Really have that sort of vocal stamina. So now and I was always a fan. Yeah, I I've been asked that a lot and I don't know if you guys you know, the people that you just sort of take for granted because of course, they're great. Of course, she's great and she's sort of carved out her place among them iconic classic heroes of you know, the ages it was sort of like that. She was always around the house and plan on the turntable. Land on the reel to reel my dad had really Brown says wow, uncle right where's that? But so yeah, she was always she's one of those people who sort of defined your life. And you know, you had Judy Garland your Frank Sinatra have Bob Hope and Dean Martin and you give me all of them. My mom loved Tom Jones. Oh sure. She's out of town. So, you know, they were always playing so who's something still now the other Place is crazy, isn't it? So who brought the idea to you? And what was your initial reaction? David Livingstone is an acquaintance of mine. He worked on my is a friend of mine. He worked on Bridget Jones and million years ago. And so he had bought the rights to the play into the rainbow. I think was the name of the place. Yeah, and he had hoped to bring it as a play to I don't know Broadway or something. I'm not sure and the but he missed out on the right someone else got the rights, but he but no one was asking for the rights for Cinema. And so he got the the film rights and he sent it along to John Kirby know everyone right Anna and John sent it to me and and I said why yeah, and it's read it click. He does that a lot. Like I said, he's always right. I've been prior to this you had taken sort of a six-year Hiatus. I it was Did you sort of know by choice or like I'm going to take some time off and then it just kind of became six years or did you know it was going to be a substantial break? I didn't know what it was going to be but I knew it was necessary. Hmm, and so it didn't really matter what it was going to be. I just needed to do it and then was it you you but you of course you came back to do. Bridget Jones in 2016. And so you were working again you did a great Series this year called what if that we have a lot of questions about so much fun. Yeah. It was so much fun. But you know coming back to do something as imposing as Judy Garland. Where did you even begin? I mean, I don't know. Did you take voice lessons? How did you find her voice? How did you find her? Look? Well David called and we talked about it and I was curious. What made him think and I explained to you know, I don't sing like that and I have a little voice and he said why don't you just come to London and we'll just try some things and I still you know, I had my doubts. I love the story and I loved his reasons for wanting to tell the story to sort of contextualize the circumstances that she was grappling with toward the end of her life so that maybe you know, the whole tragedy thing could be I don't know me. Subverted in some way and I loved that and I was curious and he said we're going to go record some songs for fun at Abbey Road. So okay. Yeah, I know. Yeah, you don't say no to Abbey Road, right? So this might be the worst idea in the whole world, but I was gonna go to London. So then we just start trying things. We did an initial photo shoot with just a wig black. Generic black wig that was available and we did her stage makeup and we just took pictures in a room and just to see how far away we were and what might be possible and it was oddly similar was really strange because I'd never thought that I shared a likeness with her at all, but it was really strange and then the music we recorded he'd sent me her recordings from 1968 to listen to what your quite different from her. Recording using the lower octave shoe seeing the register. She was, you know compromise in certain ways and she had learned little tricks to find her way around the things that maybe we're more difficult at that time and I played around with that for a while and we get those recordings and that's the best day ever in the world when the taxi dropped you off outside of Abbey Road, and you go inside. And yes, I did the crosswalk photo your please please and I came home and that was in 2017 and I came home and started working with the vocal coach to build my my voice. Like I didn't believe was a thing, but apparently it is the thing. You can actually manipulate your vocal cords. Yeah. I didn't know that. I thought you were either. Five foot tall or 5 foot nine and that's the best. That's that but you still sing like that lately. You must be great at karaoke like funny. I'm thought about that. Does everyone want you to do Judy song? So can you imagine? Can you imagine I would be the most boring dinner party guests and they don't know don't ask Renee. She's gonna do man that got away again. There's a difference it's a notable difference. But I know it's work that I'll keep up. Yeah, really you will ya. Oh, that's great. You sure I should talk about the transformative look to because you know, the short list came out today and Jeremy would head who worked with you on this look was made the short list for makeup and hairstyling. Oh, that's great. Yeah. I mean you guys did an amazing job. He's so great. He's so great. I mean what a sweet person. He's just such a brilliant person to watch him work and it's the whittling it down to where it it's not an obstruction, you know, that was really important and has the best sense of humor. He's giggling because you need to paint the lines. It's an alcohol based makeup. And so you had to dip The you know, the alcohol every girl's dream come true. Yes, please. Please schmear my face with isopropyl alcohol all day. He's so cute. He's so he said we're going to start a line called degenerate. So he drew down the bottle which is about this big if by the end of it was really funny because he would he would go through the whole inventory check check check while we're running between scenes in. Okay got to contact. Yes, the thing wigs and I only got two teeth teeth, but the teeth in and okay, you're good. Yes, I'm good. Good go and run. I can't wait. We haven't done my lines yet and he goes so we haven't so name is this a we whittled down the time and the chair substantially by the end of the shoot, but now it was a process we started with the wig in the makeup and then we put everything on, you know, the cheeks and everything but everything and then we paired it down and took a million photos different photo shoots to see what felt you know appropriate and What we got away with was what's left there? So are you wearing false teeth in this? Yes, how do you sing with those? Well, it's really interesting because sorry I'm have my Invisalign Braces on right now. So that's you there was like she's wearing them now but there's this interesting thing that I couldn't figure out the thing that was there were a lot of things that were elusive that I could not. Figure I couldn't figure out her eyebrows and how they got there. Sometimes I couldn't figure that out. And then here in this wonderful book by Stevie. I can't remember her last name at the moment, but she was her I've seen met her at a screening in New York. Really so exciting. It's a wonderful book. I don't even know how to suggest it. I guess Stevie Judy Garland book. She was her assistant and toured around with their own would set up her makeup backstage. She's talking about laying out everything the way Judy likes it in her dressing room and the tapes And I thought well wait a minute what the tapes there these tapes and it's called. Mr. Something's or doctor something's or facelifts instant lift or something and you tape it here in the hairline and then it's got a string and it goes around the back and you tape it here. So under your wig or your hair, whatever it is and it gives you like a thing going on here. We're currently you can put it here if you pull your hair right here and you put tape it there and back there on your hair and it gives you a little something something there. Yeah, so Apparently it's still out there and the ladies still use it. It's not pretty popular little trick still anyway, so there's the eyebrow train she got the right and and the teeth I couldn't because sometimes they look like this and sometimes they look like that and I just couldn't I couldn't figure out if I just chronologically wasn't looking at, you know, the progression of the wear whatever it might have been and and then I found that she wore she wore a clip-on veneer really? From the time she was in MGM as a young as a young person. Yeah, so actually it was helpful because there would be kind of a list be thing sometimes and the delivery of certain S's and things. Yeah, and it was helpful for that because I didn't know how that sound was happening either and that weird. That's so interesting. I had no idea this now they're asleep already this movie is I mean, it's such a wonderful performance. It's Full of wonderful performances and it also deals with things about you know, what it's like to be in the spotlight and be judged by people who think that they know you, you know, I love by the way. I love the to the the gay couple that standard take Judy and yeah for a night and it's so lovely. I think every character teaches us something. Was there anything you learned from Judy? Yeah, yeah a lot really and courage tenacity. and the inevitability of carrying on the necessity to just carry on and and in this process I mean it's it was really big. It was a big experience and I'm sure every actor here. We all know that you take something away from every job that you do and you learn something about yourself and I guess that's why we're artist right because we're curious about the world and our place in it and how we Define ourselves or how we recognize ourselves in that world. Anna yeah, I found my voice in this well literally and figuratively. Yeah. Well, I didn't know this I was doing these vocal exercises with the gentleman and Gary Catona. I was working with Eric vitro and Gary Catona and a gentleman named Mark whose last name escapes me because I don't know that I ever learned it you just Mark he was Mark he was he was my lifeline over in England Mark. He's fantastic vocal coach but so was Gary he does he's building exercises and you sound like I don't know maybe if the whales out of the water making the howling noises it would be something akin to that and it in order to in order to develop the muscles you got to use them and so he'll take you up and down the scale making these different variations and Note and in order to To do it. You have to go to places that you don't normally access your we don't use that particular point in your throat. And I never expected that there would be an emotional component attached to it. And it makes sense, you know, because you get choked up, right? We have an emotional experience. You feel it not just in your heart, but you feel like you feel like here and I didn't realize that I have been speaking in my upper. Start for probably 20 years and we know because you make things. Okay, right, it's fine. Yeah, that's fine too. But that's fine. That's fine until you're up here. When you he makes you break through all of that. And so whatever it is that you stored up there. That's a acting as a block blockage. It has to go before you can use the muscle and sing the note. Out so there was a whole lot of that work that went into getting to just the bare bones of what was there to access and I'm so grateful for that. I'm so grateful for that. We are so grateful for this beautiful performance actually all the beautiful performances you've delivered over the years. Thank you so much for being here. Thank you for listening to the SEC after foundations conversations podcast. 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A career retrospective with Renée Zellweger from November 26, 2019. Moderated by Jenelle Riley, Variety. Renée Zellweger is one of the most cherished and respected actors in modern cinema. Zellweger is most notably known for her starring role as the seminal British everywoman in the film BRIDGET JONES’S DIARY and its sequel BRIDGET JONES: THE EDGE OF REASON, both opposite Hugh Grant and Colin Firth. In the first installment of the franchise, Zellweger earned her first Oscar® nomination, also earning Golden Globe, SAG and BAFTA nominations, among others. The sequel delivered her another Golden Globe nomination for Best Performance by an Actress in a Motion Picture – Comedy or Musical. She secured her second Academy Award nomination as convicted killer Roxie Hart in CHICAGO, the Oscar®-winning film version of the Tony Award-winning musical. Acting, singing and dancing alongside Catherine Zeta-Jones, who portrayed fellow death row inmate Velma Kelly, Zellweger took home a Golden Globe Award for Best Actress in a Motion Picture – Comedy or Musical and a SAG Award for Outstanding Performance by a Female Actor in a Leading Role, among other awards. She later earned the Academy Award for Best Supporting Actress in Anthony Minghella’s COLD MOUNTAIN, the Civil War drama in which she jumped off the screen as feisty farm worker Ruby Thewes. For her work in the film, Zellweger also garnered a Golden Globe Award and best supporting role honors from the Screen Actors Guild, BAFTA, and Broadcast Film Critics Association. Zellweger will next make her television debut starring in Netflix’s WHAT/IF, and her recent films include BRIDGET JONES'S BABY, alongside Colin Firth and Patrick Dempsey for Universal Pictures, the film adaptation of the book SAME KIND OF DIFFERENT AS ME, opposite Greg Kinnear and Djimon Hounsou, and THE WHOLE TRUTH, opposite Keanu Reeves. After graduating with an English degree from the University of Texas, Zellweger did some initial film and television work before making her feature debut in Richard Linklater’s seminal coming-of-age film DAZED AND CONFUSED. Other film roles quickly followed, including Ben Stiller’s REALITY BITES, LOVE AND A .45, TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE: THE NEXT GENERATION and MY BOYFRIEND’S BACK. Zellweger won the affection of audiences soon after with her breakthrough role opposite Tom Cruise in Cameron Crowe’s JERRY MAGUIRE. Subsequent film roles for Zellweger have included the acclaimed ONE TRUE THING with William Hurt and Meryl Streep, the dark comedy NURSE BETTY opposite Chris Rock and Morgan Freeman, ME, MYSELF & IRENE opposite Jim Carrey, the drama WHITE OLEANDER with Robin  Wright and Michelle Pfeiffer, Peyton Reed’s romantic comedy DOWN WITH LOVE opposite Ewan McGregor, and director Ron Howard’s Depression-era boxing drama CINDERELLA MAN with Russell Crowe. She has also lent her voice to such animated features as DreamWorks’ SHARK TALE, BEE MOVIE and MONSTERS VS. ALIENS.

Did you ever contemplate quitting company? Oh quitting welcome. I'm your host Hannah burner and welcome to the dark dark depths of hell today. I'm with a very special guest Mike vecchi own. Yes. He is Italian in case you were wondering I've known him for a long time as she's my sweet sweet friend. Yes. Thank you for having done with your inch. Okay. I'm sorry. I'm looking at your bio. Let's start with ya know. He's appeared on NBC's Last Comic Standing. He won like a shit ton of awards with that. Not inside Amy Schumer Conan. He's always on The Tonight Show starring Jimmy Fallon. He's probably going to be on again. So look out for that Montreal's Just for Laughs. He said he's a pretty funny guy. Also, what makes our relationship complex is that his best friend such roommate, whatever I dated and we got very close. Yes. We're very close but then one day the relationship ended and then I never saw you again. That's the way it usually goes here in New York or you're listening from but that's the way it goes. So the only way I could see you in it not be weird is their business through business and we're two businessmen, you know, a very business orientated are we? Yeah, I think so. I think we're competitive we are we're competitive but you more than me, I think because you are at a higher level of competition than when I competed I was I was one of the guys you would just drill With to get I would get people like you better, you know, I mean that the a-listers well, those people are important and thank you for come on Martin. Why are you being so nice to me? Call me an a-lister immediately. Are you here warming me up your tennis your tennis pedigree speaks for itself unreal. And Mike is a was a former wrestler. I'm a wrestler and I think wrestling and Tennis a very similar because you're alone out there individual sports. Yeah, you have to have a certain amount of mental toughness for both and I also think that but then again you Millennials wouldn't get that. You're probably on Snapchat right now turning yourself into a bunny Michael. Yeah, when I first started this podcast you were fucking around in your Twitter. So don't come at me about snap. Well, no, I have to Market myself. I have to get these followers now. Well, then it's a new world. Now you're on my podcast. I don't fuck it up and maybe some will follow you. All right stand up comedians. It's similar to wrestling or 10 inches in you're out there alone. Right you're out there alone and it's nobody's fault, but yours hmm. You have to figure it out. It's true. You can't walk off there and be like, oh, well, some people try to blame the audience, but I Them. Yes, but deep down well deep down. You're like, how can I flip this? You know, I mean, they're terrible they are what they are. They're the there what they are. So now I have to change what I'm doing. So recent episode. I interviewed a big-time DJ. Yeah, and I was asking him about performance anxiety and stuff and he said if you try to get everyone to like you and in the space, it's going to be very difficult. But if you try to win over the people in the front, you'll see that their energy then becomes contagious, but I don't know if that's the same with comedy right? Well, it's not because those Guys have ecstasy helping them. What I read you kids are out there eating cat tranquilizers. I don't know what's going on in the club's anymore tired cats. Is that what you guys want to be now? Is that fun? I love a tired cat. It's pretty much my day today. What's going on at I know I'm getting old. I don't even know what's happening. But I Kids I remember when I went on my first date with my ex-roommate. We I had he starts calling mr. A mr. X he spoke so highly of you and if you want to get in with the guy God I went over his room. How was that it was a strategy. It wasn't genuine. I'm an athlete. I'm a competitor. I see the world as a game and I'm like, who's the next guy? Got a takedown you come walking in all innocent and that's why I went on a boat for your birthday. Not because you really wanted me to was that the weirdest experience, you know, it was something else I wasn't gonna go though. It's like, all right. Well, you know, I understand he's got to go or he's going to go and it's going to be fun for you and your friends, but it's like but you really made this. Is heartfelt speech like like hey, you're one of my friends and I think that we're going to be friends for a long time and I would like you to come and I'm like, you know, what now? I can't deny that. Yes, I will come and then we never talked again till right now. You feel like betrayed. Yeah trade by me. Yes. I had a hard time getting up here, too. I didn't know that we were going to be doing this in the World Trade. I thought we were doing it at your summer home anyone. Are you watching summer house? I don't know. Can we talk about this in the hot tub? Maybe you'll learn about some Millennial stuff and become educated on I know when you invite people out to dinner, you should invite everybody out to dinner and not let some people cook at home because then it's not very fun for them. So you just came first episode listen know about summer home. Okay, people hooking up with other people fuck boys, you know, I don't know. I don't know how I feel about ever do reality TV. I don't know. I mean, I did a reality. I did a reality stand-up show. That's Comic Standing standing was so good. It was like before Or comedy was like fun and cool on Netflix, right? You got some he's twice didn't you? Yeah, Sammy - Sammy right now. Hello Michael. Anyway speaking of sex when I was friends with you before our break up because I broke up with you to honestly I never got even see you. Yeah, would you have liked a nice like text or would that be weird now when it been weird either way now would have been weird. It would have been fine. It was fine that it didn't happen though because I understand the nature of it. It's about Out like it's I mean, it's not like I'm very very close with him. Yeah, these were very close and I love him like a brother but others as well. I love him like a brother. So it's I understand the complexities of it on both ends and I still say to this day most mature breakup I've ever seen in my life really on both of your parts. Really? Yes, very very mature very very clean. Very very like no but no anger. No kind of like maybe there was underneath it all but like on the surface he It was handled in a very very mature. I was almost jealous of how mature it went. You know, I mean there actually was Zero anger involved because when you care about someone Yeah, there's no Angry. There was frustration I think but I just wanted to win you over to like win him over but then somehow and I was a pawn in your game. But somewhere I started you know, how you're like fuck. I'm stuck with the remote on the couch while he's like taking a poop. Well, I like enjoyed my time with you and I really got a friend and I really want you to come to my birthday that time because I wanted to surround myself with people are important to me. Um, but it did suck that we broke up as well. When you were with when I was dating him, right you were single. Yes, you were actually if I remember I in kind of a dark time because I went through a breakup and it was every I tell you what I've been in a number of relationships every one of them is hard to break up from even whether I broke up with them. They broke up with me. It's hard on me because I'm emotional and I would yeah healthy. Well, no, I give like, you know, I'm not like faking it like I'm really in it if I'm going to spend the time I'm very much. H in it, so when it ends I'm destroyed a little bit and very husband material and you were kind of the Third Wheel who was single and I was like, I don't know if I was a third wheel, but I was there. Yeah, I mean when were watching hey Trent or watching Game of Thrones your kind of like on the outskirts. Yeah. I'm kind of in Dorne emotionally, it's good. That's pretty solid. Did you think we were going to make it I thought I thought I would have to start looking for a place to live soon because I'm like She's on I didn't know first of all, I didn't know I was being used as a pawn genuinely liked me. So I'm a little hurt by that right now, but I thought oh, this is she's great. She's a great person. He's fucking great. I love him. So this know there's no way this is not going to go. So I just I was like dude, just give me I told him I'm like, just give me some time to find a place to live in. Oh, yeah, so well now I have a studio apartment in Queens. Is now I really am in Hunters Point you left your old place. Huh? Left my old place in Midtown Manhattan. Are you still in Astoria under the under the train and the train still the same so we would watch TV and have to turn the volume up to hear something but there's something beautiful and Rob about that to make you, you know have a little chip on your shoulder when you're on stage. Yeah now, I mean we live you know, the way that we live we live like Anna Barracks. We we train like at the dojo we live like it's in a barracks and we both of us are Working-class guys. So like the money is it comes and it's going good. You know, it's good, but we're not I'm not a material guy. So, you know, it just is what it is whether I have a lot of money obviously, I'll better my living situation, you know, in terms of like material things incrementally as I need them, but I'm not a flashy. I'm not a jewelry guy like I'd like nicer clothes. Obviously. I feel like if you wore a gold bracelet people would definitely think you're in the mafia. Yeah. Wow. No, there's not that many people in the mafia anymore. Most of those people are in jail. Maybe it means you could like be a leader now like you can take over. Yeah. Well, I'm from the judeo Christian kind of things like you should not murder people but thanks thought Hannah no idea thrown out recommendation. So you were sending a lot about you and podcast were you really doing that? Where were you really like trying to get into my good graces so that you could flip me I love how we can't move on from like a move on that wasn't I meant that I wanted you to like me right regardless if I liked you. I knew I needed to get you to like me. I didn't know you were that premeditated. I just thought you were a good person. No, I'm not a good person. I'm very premeditated. No, I think I'm premeditated as a good person. Murder, sometimes you'll kill you kill to get what you want. Exactly. I have a Killer Instinct. That's what my coach has said about me. So watch your back. Wow, um you were single and desperate at the time. Yeah. I don't know about desperate you putting words in my mouth right now is if I wasn't desperate there was some insecurity there because I thought the relationship was kind of gonna go and it didn't and okay. So now I have to pick up the pieces and my insecurities stemmed from online dating. I'm not I don't like it. I didn't like it I swipe together. I didn't like the Nature of it. I didn't like the nature of I really have a hard time handled handling the nature of the way that it is now, which is like you don't even see the person you feel like you're being tricked half the time and then you start texting to the person had some persons doing it like a job. Yeah. It was it's trust issues caused by the nature of dating it's wife together. And if the girl like wasn't showing one part of her body, he was like, I don't know what's happening there. We can't trust this or she'd say one thing like I like nature and he'd be like Psychopaths. Yeah, she'd be like I'm a teacher who likes to spend time on the beach. You were like psycho. Yeah, I just think it was like too many times of like I'm like looking at the pictures. I'm like, they're doing this at a certain angle. There's a bunch of filters. Like I know this is not real and I don't like to waste my time. So how the fuck did you get out of that kind of single spiral? I like to call it where you know, you start getting you're not motivated to go on dates. You kind of feel like everyone's Gonna Let You Down Right starting to feel alone starting to feel like are you the one with the problem have to deal with your parents worry? Spiral I'm too old to deal with my parents my parents have they gave up a long time. Actually, my father died. That's how he gave up. Okay, and then my mother is still there, but they're like, they're not given up there just like whatever it is. We know you're okay. You made it this far. Yeah, keep coming, but I bounced back motherfucker Prospect pretty good. But now I don't know. I just said, you know you is gonna sound corny so you could say when you least expect it how you meditate you work on yourself you meditate it's not meant to to be life is not meant to be fun all the time and a party all the time. They're downstairs down times and there's times when you're supposed to be alone does the times you work on yourself to be a better person meditation Hot Yoga, you know, I got you look like you work out get a good balance in life work hard at your career you're passionate about and then it'll come or might not come. You know, I mean, but like whatever maybe That's Not Meant For Me Maybe that's not meant for me to be with somebody or you know, whatever. Maybe I meant to be single. A long time. Well, I like the idea of your where you are is where you're supposed to be at that moment and people always talk about like if you're single and means you're searching and it's like maybe it's healthy to be alone and be single at the time so you don't settle for someone where your mental state is at that moment. Right instead. When you evolve yourself you actually get with the person that you're meant to be long-term. So, how'd you meet this chick? I knew her from stand-up comedy a long time ago. So she was already in Savannah. I knew her but we didn't operate in And the same circles but I remember her years ago. I was I thought she was cute. So I was like I asked her friend, you know, I was single at the time so I asked her friend. I'm like hey, how about her and she's like well, let me check so she checked he's like nah, she's dating someone. I'm sorry. So I was like, all right. I took the loss and then I just figured that she was always with somebody and then we're at Montreal over the summer in July and I found that she was not dating anybody so I made the move and it was like a because she's so like she was so nice and a hard worker and all this stuff like and we knew each other from Comedy as friends it took being like a little more bold to let her know like look. I'm trying to fuck you like this is not like this is not like oh I want to help you with like let's look at our notes together and write like I don't like that that yeah kind of like me. We're not like yeah during her for calculus and trying to like you got to have some balls, but you have some balls into look. I'm trying to fuck you but then When you do that, you have to sacrifice the Friendship. Well, it's not just that but you have to expect you can't be bitter if it comes back as a rejection. If you go, look I'm trying to fuck and she's like look, I'm not into that at all. You have to be okay with that. You can't be a bitch about it. Like you took the step. She she rejected you and now you got to sit in it. I take it and not be a baby about it. A lot of guys can't do that a lot of guys and I understand why they can't take it. They can't take it coming back and you have any words to Millennial men. I feel like you're coming at some. Alright now. Hey, look I wasn't raised in this technology age. So it's a whole different doors open and if I was raised with it, it would I'm sensitive. I'm a sensitive guy. So it would have affected me. I can sit here and say oh this would have known all this Twitter and online bullying. This will never would have affected me. It's like that's bullshit. I Know Myself and I know I'm sensitive. I know it would have affected me and I mean getting rejected constantly on apps. I mean, that's it mate like I was doing it it made me better. So it's like I'm no better than anybody you come from a good Emily so it's like you have to kind of have a strong Foundation whether you get that from your family or whether you develop it over time that helps you navigate all of this technology and this fly-by-night stuff. Like you have to have a good foundation order to navigate it. How do you think she differs from girls you've dated in the past? Well, it's similarly to some of the girls. I didn't that she's very smart and very pretty. I'm very attracted to her. So that's because you can say I'm very shallow. I'm can only do the prettiest. I am just trying to get to Teddy that's now I'm she's very smart. She's very I'm very attracted to her. So that's like an important, you know, right from the job like you think you've tried to make things work before with people you are kind of attracted to but wanted didn't want to be alone. Yeah, it was one of these things where it's like yeah, I was I was attracted to them but it wasn't at the level that it needed to be. Also. I feel like you just and I think that maybe I was like that for some women to like I was like, oh this guy's a good guy and you know, but it maybe he's not what I need. Yeah, you want to obviously cuz I've been dumped you want to feel like that person would do anything to touch you and be around you because it's like then we might as well just be friends right have a great emotional connection unless you want to fuck me all the time. Right, right. That's a beginning give it a dopamine hitting if you're not fucking all the time. There's something wrong. Wow. Sorry, I'm passionate about that. If you're not fucking like rabbits, I don't care if you're 56 or 26 question yourself. Wow. I didn't know you became a gangster rapper. I said the 20-minute Mark do you like how she smells? Yeah. We're getting to the creepy. Do you collect her hair and put it in your pocket? That was very pretty and and got a lock on it came from like a good family like good place and in the way that she's approaching the business end of the comedy the way she's doing it is the right way to do it. So speaking of Comedy a lot of comedians put their foot down say I'll never date another comedian. I did that you did do that didn't do it. You did you did absolutely did I did so what change you just were like, I need to stop I saw her and I was like, I have to take a A chance at the take a chance with her I'm too she's too pretty like I'm too attracted to her. So I have people listening after risk, why did comedians not date well with other comedians there's a lot of reasons it helps in a lot of ways because you understand each other schedule and all that. But in in another way you're kind of running the same race. So it's like you're but I'll tell you what's really helped me with that living with your ex has really helped me as a person. I genuinely love who when I moved in. To the apartment. He was a waiter. I had a special on Comedy Central you're running the same race of him. So well, we're in the same word in the same field and he's a guy who's approaching the business the same way that I am which were in it were in it full time. I need a percent. Are you in it minute? We're in it. I don't know if I mentioned that but it's like you love somebody and then you see them Excel and deserve everything he gets he deserves like the he's the one guy where like the industry is getting it right with him. Unbelievable when your job is to someone you can see that I think jealousy stems from when you just see someone on Instagram get something and you're like, that's not fair. I work hard too, but you see his day-to-day. Yeah, but it jealousy is the wrong word. It's almost like he deserves everything he's getting and I've had this with her friend. He deserves it and God bless him. I Him to win but I also want to win to like I'm putting in the I'm putting in these hours and it's not opening up for me the way that it's opening up for him. So jealousies the right jealous. He's like I want to tear this person down. They don't deserve that's the wrong. He deserves it. Absolutely but it's like, you know, it's almost like a mirror being held up to yourself where it's like am I doing something wrong? Like why is this not opening up for me the way that it's opening up for him? We're just different people but I felt like it was a tough time too. Because like I was dating him and his stuff was really hot at the time and I felt like he had a relationship. Except he had like the specials coming out and the TV show and I felt like you're constantly reminded that yeah every day you walk into the apartment no matter how mentally strong you are. You still can start getting because I know you're tough at yourself. Yeah, because I'm the same way like growing up as an athlete you get criticized a lot. So the voice inside your head can be extremely critical. It's like someone do something well and you might not be jealous of him, but you're like, come on. What are you doing? Right? What are you doing? Yeah. It's like yeah, that's exactly what it's a reflection of like. Okay. It's He's doing the right things and it's working out for him. Like you are you doing the right thing is to start looking at yourself more. It's like are you doing the right things? It seems like you're doing the right things and then it's and he and then which belief in you to write with like, yeah, he would say if I was doing something wrong right would help me I would ask him. I would be like look, I'm do people think I'm a hack like I you don't know sometimes you're not self-aware. So it's like you need that help where it's like, what do you think he would have liked talks about you a lot actually because we both had a mutual love. Love for you. So I be like, how's he doing? What the strategy what's going on? But I love being able to talk to you now. Like I don't know your tooth is gone by yeah, how do you think you've changed since I last met you? Well, I've been through that period and I've got to say something about the internet like the internet's very bad. If you float towards the wrong things. There's a lot of like if you're just drifting on the internet you can get dragged this so many weird energies that really you don't need be very very negative and bet you even if you're just drifting through and you don't mean to follow you're going to fall When did something bad and dark wormholes? It's bad. But the upside to that is there so much information available on how to better yourself mentally and spiritually and how the mind in the body are connected all this stuff. So I just focus on that keep hitting that and then I'm like look, I'm in the position. I'm in which is a good position. Actually, you know what I mean and just keep trying to better yourself and keep coming and then wherever it lands it lands, you know, I mean like it's almost like if the let go a little bit and go like do you can't control the result you have to it's like inviting boxing if you're trying to throw a punch and you you squeeze as hard as you can the punch is not going to hit well as if you're loose and feeling and trusting your body trying to touching the mental like stamina of it all but that's not to say don't try like it's a thing like I don't know in yoga. It's a thing where it's like, I'm not very flexible. I told you this before, you know why I'm not very flexible and and whatever but I try real hard in the class and that's really what the important thing is. See because mentally, you know, how You can push it. You're the one who knows. Well, we always bonded over yoga. I liked it because I was a beginner at it and my whole life I was doing things where people put so much expectation of me and there's so much judgment on the result. But yoga was this place that I got to have that beginner mindset, which is actually so beautiful that human people human people don't like being beginners, right uncomfortable. Yeah, but with yoga, I would do things I'd struggle with but actually have the satisfaction of improvement and not having to like hit a result. I think if day-to-day you Hassan that little Improvement you feel good about yourself because you know, you tried even if I try I was just getting out of bed when you're depressed. Yeah, I like that. Also the thing which I think I would have been much better wrestler. If I would have done it when I was wrestling because I was good for who I was you know, I wasn't the best athlete in the world, but I was I was tough but it's being in the states where it's like high stress in the class. Your heart is going out of control and and connecting to your breath of controlling your mind. Is important because it translates very well to life is going to be times. You know, we're people are down on you and it seems like you're losing and it's like you just take a breath and control your mind young. I didn't realize I could control my mind. I thought that once the court happened. It was just like things were happening to me and I was in survival mode. I didn't realize that if I could control my breath and if I could control my thoughts that the result would change. I just thought it was happening to me because I wasn't mature enough to realize that That my mind didn't have to control me. Yeah, I mean that's a thing. I mean, I don't know I wasn't I was raised well and I think my parents did a good job. It's like stuff like that. Like I mean, I don't know how you just learned that on the way I think but also that's why I want to have this podcast is to talk to people and be like, hey, I experience what it's like to not control your mind. And then I learned how do an improved a lot of shit. There's a good thing like in it for women because I know there's women out there who might be listening who were like, I'm I'm frustrated and dating like I'm not dating the right guys, and I'm tired of it. I'm tired of they're good people and they're strong people but it's a thing where you have to make sure whether you're frustrated with your dating world of your frustrating with your career. It's you have to do it for the sake of doing a good job and for your own self satisfaction of doing a good job. You can't tilt towards bitterness and there's and it's very very easy to get better and those situations so If you are one of those people who get is getting bitter, like stop yourself and breathe into and be like, there's no it's not fair at work. There's no justice. I can't like these guys are all morons. Like they don't like me for who I am. They want something else you it makes you feel a certain kind of way, but you're like don't be self aware of that and don't tilt towards bitterness as the energy you put out in the world affects your interactions, right? Like you might just be in your head about being better, but that conversation in your head is actually like people will be affected by right and if you can stay positive and I know that like you're trying your best you're doing your thing that energy attracts people. Do you feel like your energy was in a good place when you met your girl? Yeah. Can I was just like moment when I was just going to be like I'm going to let it go. I'm just kind of let it go. I'm just gonna like I was dating more than when when when you are around you I was dating more I kind of like not really dating but like, you know, whatever hooking up so I was in a pretty good place because I was like, You said you put yourself out there and you're like many to put themselves out there more. What did you do? What was the line told him I said I told her I'm like look up because we were friends there a moment that you felt like you had an opening or you just like Bulldogs. I just bulldozed because I'm like, we're just going to stay parallel as friends and I'm not smooth and I'm not so did you feel any sense from her that she was for your very smooth Michael? I'm not that smooth, but I'm like, I'd rather be clunky and honest. Yeah, then smooth and I didn't kind of Deceit Honesty will always come out better. And being weird and manipulative, but it's a double-edged sword because if your if your clunky and honest and you get rejected, then you have to sit in it and there's no there's no but with way around it risk comes great reward. We're just it does random quotes right now. That's true. Did you get out? Who's on Twitter? Do you ever say? Oh you want to come at me right now? Actually you guys were on Twitter and I'm like, these guys are fucking loser. ER and then I got a Twitter because for summer house they were like you should go to Twitter and then I just started tweeting and it was fun. And then I realized I like posting tweets rather than focus on myself. And then the rest is history. Did you get a set should have a Tory of a lot to say I do have a lot of thoughts that need to be heard by a lot of Indian princes that follow me. Did you get a sense a little sense that she could be into it too or did ya find her friend told me she was attracted to me. So I got a big like Her friends were like it was like, oh she's into it. She strikes me. Okay, so I was like, I just assumed she always had a I just assumed she had a boyfriend. Yeah, and they're like, oh no, I was like, okay. Well, I got it I have to and even then it was like it was she wasn't giving me a flirty Vibe so I had to like, but I kind of like that because I feel like some of the girls you'd be with were because they just be like all over you and you wouldn't have time to think of your attracted her to decide to use in your fans with her you Why do you think our personalities are compatible because I think that's important. All right, describe it we just get along very well as friends because it's as the sex, you know, it's inevitable that the sex is going to fade into some so you're just gonna evolve evolve evolve is the right word. Eventually. It's gonna fade it's gonna whatever it's not going to be as exciting as it was so that newness is going to so you're left there with a person and you have to genuinely like Person and the me they always were a person you have to get along be able to get along and be able to function. I don't know when I don't know what I'm saying. I haven't been that far like I've never been married. So well, you can't quite the life just to like you were a teacher a special education teacher after college which I which I did enjoy, you know what I mean? Like I was I was just talking to her about it and I was like, I approach it the same way. I approach everything like I worked real hard at it a good relationship with my kids like try to connect with the Parent I love when you talk about your kids. Yeah, I loved it. Let's go remember so many of them have because they're on Facebook the like hi. Mr. Vic what's going on? Mr. Beck? So they come see your shows ever they did when I was in Philly. That's so and I'm a high school kids came to one of them, but it's great now on Facebook, they hit me up with messages. Hi. Mr. Beck, what's going on? Mr. Veeck? How you doing? Mr. Vic? Mr. Veeck? Why not? Come back to me? Mr. Beck? Why not? Get back to me and then I get back to him and I'll be like it's frustrating when somebody Asking you a question. You don't answer right now, you know how I feel. And you read it. Then you realize that you hate all children. And then you went into comedy. Is that what happened? That's it. Now, I'm the comedy thing just happened. I came out of a relationship another one. That was it. That was a big one that was down where it was. Like I thought we were gonna get married and I came out of it and I think comedy was an option at the time so why I came out of it just because it was more like 24 or something. Yeah, 20 25 26 and it just didn't seem like an options like oh, this is too much running around for no money. Like I'm gonna be in a You know relationship like I have to bring home money and try to work on my career men have that pressure. I feel like especially well they did back in the 90s when they were still men salting Consulting on millennial guys, and I guys have a very hard. I mean they do it very hard now nowadays. I mean these this online dating I can't get over if you're like a good marketing person if you're a good marketing, but then you're going to be good at it. But if you're not then you're not going to be any good. I'm also like kind of attracted to guys who have like no Instagram followers and don't Don't know what like memes are like I like that. I think it's hot if he's too into social media and like to Techie and look into that. I don't I don't know. I don't like that. I don't want him to tell you want to date somebody in their 50s. I'm looking very bad E. I clearly have daddy issues. I'm gonna be my dad maybe a tennis coach. Oh God, they'll be so traumatic. I be triggered by everything everything. You said you want some water. You never let me have water when I was tired and training as Did you ever contemplate quitting company? Oh quitting quitting comedy now because it was such a gradual thing. I was teaching and then I was doing this is before YouTube nextup. I was in Twitter. I was teaching and doing it at night when you can still do that. And then and then I moved to New York when I moved to New York. I was like, I'm gonna take a rest since being New York. You've never had one moment where you're like ask might not be for me. No, I've now love that now because I was in New York and I before I moved to New York, I was like I'll either be crazy successful and this will work out or it won't and I'll just get a job doing something in New York. It'll be great. I live in New York and who cares but I didn't realize it would be this weird in-between phase where it's like you'll be getting things never then we W periods of like where it'll just still be improving but you know industry wise there won't be much happening and then you'll get a bump here bump there like tons of ups and downs. Yeah, even with someone who's very successful like I learned from my a Because he showed me how no matter what success you have people. Don't talk about after you get what you want. Yeah, I think you should have how you cope with then the stuff that comes with it. I know that sounds like LM really pretty now. I don't know what to do. It's really life never as never stops at a goal. Yeah, you can he's a good he's a he's a ground-up guy anyway, so it's easier to handle that way. You know what I mean? When you have successes, you're like you don't over it's like kind of like the thing where you've been there before. It's like you've been there before dude. Okay, you're getting some success here. That's good. Like it's good. Enjoy it but take it with a grain of salt. It's not that end of it's not the on the best thing you can get. I also feel that pressure on a goal you put too much hype in it. Like that's how I would self-sabotage with tennis like I'd be playing a girl who's like the second seed and I would be like, this is your chance. This is your time and I would just like crack under the pressure. But if you're more level-headed like I've done this before I've been before this is a day at the office. Play my best to move on I think I would have had better results to be honest. That was his mm. So this is MM is my shit. I'm sorry because I need that. I'm the opposite of a stoic person. I that's such a great such a great philosophy. You know, how are you different preparing yourself for stand up versus wrestling wrestling. I was clueless. I was really bad at preparing myself for matches as really really bad and fact, I'm a loss wise. I took a lot of losses. I probably shouldn't have taken because I just wasn't mentally there but for stand up now, it's like go out take a Breath and then you know just let it go a little bit of a clown in yourself and stand up you didn't have in wrestling. I think it's a confidence that evolved over time like as a man like I grew as a person because the guys who are naturally gifted they have a much different experience. Oh, yeah, then the people who have to work at it and take losses and take beatings and stuff. Those guys are actually Above The Fray so they have a different experience. I'm not saying easier but different mine was weird because physically I think I was I was top-notch, but then mentally I like you said, why do you think I'm so good at Twitter? Have a shit ton of thought and the wrong thoughts would go in my brain all the time and I had so much trouble quieting my brain on the court because I would think of what would go wrong like before matches. I'd go in the bathroom for 10 minutes because I thought I was calming for me, but I would just get into a thought spiral of all the bad things that could happen in this match and then like not want to go out but I would always go out right but those things made me the person who I am and he'll teach you that that shit. Yeah, you realize that you can control your thoughts you realize that you you have enough. Of those were your like and if you can that's why they have signed the internet has got all this information is out there about Your Mind Body Connection that wasn't there before. Yeah, you know me. So you start listening to it and reading about stuff. You're like, this is something that I can I can get ahold of and as a result. I can be a better person because it's good to hear more effective. I like hearing other people's experiences that you can compare rather than just like random articles that are like WebMD type shit, but when people talk about their experiences and open up in that way, it's beneficial. That's why Millennials are open about Anxiety and shit growing up. Were you allowed to talk about exactly did you know what exactly was? Yeah, it was a it was a thing but it wasn't have shit ton of anxiety. I should turn and comes forward here and send all that stuff like down our throats and stuff. But anxiety all this stuff. It's good that it's being talked about. It's much better than when I was growing up. Yeah, in terms of being talked about there's also a thing where there's an overcompensation for it to now which is bad it's bad and it's there's a there's a thing people use It as kind of an excuse. Well, there's a coddling effect to it. The thing is I don't like his also it's like they're using it and they're trying to medicalize it. Yeah, it's like it's not that dude. It's not you know, so they're thinking like I just read this bank robber is trying to take advantage of the millennial mind. I don't know if it's big Pharma. I think that I just read this book called The coddling of the American Mind by Jonathan haidt cool and it's love a man who reads it's it's really no guys. Don't read. Beside my Twitter they just grow my Twitter. I scroll it's not that's less reading more scrolling strong about it talks about how like everybody has that argument football. You know, these kids couldn't play football, you know, I start playing football I was nine and which is probably why the mental problems I have. No it was make that argument. It's like you shouldn't play football because of concussions. It's like, all right, dude. I mean, I understand that there's another side to it though, and it's like physical contact really humbles you like Like I when I was 9 and walk around thinking I was Superman because I knew that if I ran full force into another kid, I felt what that felt like so I would argue that's why you have a lot of these dum-dums on Twitter saying all kinds of mean nasty thing all this shit. It's like you've never been hit before but do you think never been hit? He's never been in a contact situation. So you don't know that there's ramifications for the things that you do you think these people are always out there now, they just have the technology to say whatever they want to whoever they want. I mean also an aspect of women never get to go. Hit sometimes like I never have gotten like Smokes on a football field. I think it's I think it's good and mentally abused. I've now maybe you came up through a athletic system of training and the results. Yeah. I got the having to deal with the results. Yeah, but I just think it's good for young men to like play a contact. I mean not for all not for all but for them to demonize it and be like contact sports are just a thing of the past like there's a function to it and it matters. What's I wasn't a tie? I wasn't as athletically gifted like in my high school. I went back in there like they practice in shorts and shoulder pads and helmets during the week and then play the game like that would have changed my football experience and we had to hit every day except for the day before the game. We did walkthroughs, but we had to hit and that changed my perspective. It also had to prepare. These aren't the kids making that decision. These are their parents who are like in their 50s or for I don't know like it's almost more your / older. That are treating the kids like this. I don't know if because they were the first like Corporate America that did well and they really want to make sure their kids have the best. That's the message the takeaway from this is if you're coddling your kid, I don't know how many people you have ever had kids and listening. What about pets? Like I cuddle my cat butter. It's all right with pets but if you coddle your kid, you're like I want to make a fuck. I want to make it very chic makeup on because very serious point if you're coddling your kid. I'm very much against it. If you're coddling your kid, you're not doing owing him or her any favors you're setting them up for failure. So if you're doing that and you're a helicopter parent and you're coddling your kid and and they're gonna be like, oh well what bat you don't have kids like but I do have a master's in this I did work in behavioral schools. So I do understand it. If you're coddling them and many people are you're making a mistake you're crippling them. This is actually an important moment because I think the whole point of burning in hell this podcast is for people to listen to other people's hell and realize that it's actually the Inhale that they went through that made them who they are. And if you're constantly coddled and you don't deal with adversity. You don't fucking grow and become the person you are. Yeah confidence. So thank you for setting me up for that. Yeah. I've been manipulating you this whole time from the very beginning of meeting you in that apartment to make this statement to help people. I didn't realize how premeditated you were. No, I didn't help. I knew you liked me second you met me because I played D1 and you like love that shit now. I love your competitive energy. I just No it ran this deep. I feel like my ex had very competitive energy to does he does absolutely do you we were in like slightly different industries. Did your in the same industry? Do you talk about careers with your girlfriend or do you try to like keep that separate now we talk about it because it's because he needs he's part of your life and it's a big part like she's attacking it. She's in the same way. Then I'm in it the way that it together now that like no no. No, I don't want still separate separate because it's an individual sport. Yeah, but supportive. Each other like she helped me with a big thing recently. She probably knows how to deal with shit better because she's been through a lot of shit that you have. Yeah even just dealing with a bad set. Yep. Not that you've ever had one. No, but I haven't you have for your listeners out there that comic might be because we're doing my plugs. Follow me at Comic Mighty on also some heavier quick commercial break. Let's go to traffic is terrible out there on the FDR and I'll tell you what you want to go out burning in hell. To trailer overturned three lanes FDR you're going to be there for a while. 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Or who they're going to have sex with that night or who they're going to try to hook up with? What do you think of Summer home? What do you think of me being on the show tag summer? What was your initial reaction? I want to know because I couldn't talk to you because that's enough. Can I be honest with you? Yeah, I was like, I'm sorry. I don't insult any of the other cast mates. I was like Hanna's Above This Is really what I thought well, it's funny actually my boss at the time texted me and said I had higher hopes for you. Oh really, which was pretty brutal. Yeah, but at the time I was you know what the entertainment industry is. It seems like an opportunity for me. Yeah that they'd interviewed tons of people right and the fact that they're offering me this and paying me. Yeah, and I kind of knew the cast it was already like I love going out to The Hamptons on the weekend and I saw it as a platform to now are you worried about how they would make you look? The storyboard it honestly, I feel like from my breakup with your roommate. I did a lot of work on myself and I felt like the first time I was very in touch with my intuition my inner voice and that I was just really comfortable who I am and I couldn't have done a couple years ago. I would have been too insecure about how I would be actually twofold here. Yeah. I had a phobia of going to reality v as in like some one thing would quickly happen and everyone would Judge Me by that moment. It's kind of an obsessive thing. I've had even meeting people. Well, I'd try to impress them really quick. Like they had to know who I was and that five minute intro, right but I found this calmness and myself recently and I just felt like I want to go on not wasn't trying to be perfect by any means. I want to show my imperfection right and if they I can't be the villain if I'm just being authentic, right? So as long as I wasn't the villain and trying to hurt people, which I know I wouldn't I was like, this is just a fun cool experience. I try to get them on a boat for your birthday. You mean like that? I tried to lure them in and if you They're here. Very manipulative. No. Okay. So the you saying that if you're using it as a stepping stone to something, I would say, yeah because I think that you're you have a lot of your a deep good person and and and I don't think that that platform lets you and I don't think it portrays that in you. I think it portrays a very superficial which is it's yeah, it's what they wanted to do. I am going to break that stigma. Yeah of going on. TV and then becoming that like person that everyone just aspires to be like in your perfect self all the time or people laughing at you trying to be perfect and instead I just was like this is me. Yeah, people are struggling people are suffering. So if you can give them some advice on how to help them to power through or to even enjoy it like enjoy what sellers to do that it was always in me, but now it's given me a platform where people like will reach out to me and I will listen to me right now. I feel like I can have an effect on people but also what you said in the beginning every day when I'd film I Like deep down felt like I was trying my best like I try my best to be myself and do my thing as long as I knew that I was fine with the filming. Is that why you went topless in the hot tub? Damn it? No, I went topless episode 10. So yeah, I'm greedy about food too. We spiraled off deadly sin. We spiraled I'm greedy about food. Yeah. Are you traveling cleaner Italians We crave bread and pasta. Yeah olive oil. Love it. I'm hungry. Agree, yeah, let's go get some pasta after this such stereotypes. Who are you envious of besides me? I don't know if I'm envious of I see people's lives. I'm like from the outside because you don't know what kind of problems people have underneath you see people who are successful and you're like, oh I'd like that level of success. I look at it kind of like I'd like that level of success but in my mind my arrogant I would live a be like I know how to handle that LifeWise like, you know, I mean like you see people at a level success, but it doesn't seem like they know Handle it like in terms of taking it in stride and life realizing what the important things are. They seem to be and it's very easy to get seduced by that but you're like, oh no if I had that success and it could be I could be wrong. Maybe they have that success because they literally don't understand the little things that'll make them happy. So that's all they can try to do. They say on social media related people who post photos and their relationship tend to be the most insecure about their relationship. Yes, so it's like when you're posting Successful photos of yourself. You're putting it into the world for a reason. Why would you post a photo of you on a private jet traveling because you're trying to manipulate people's minds to think that you're busy which probably means you really are insecure about how busy you are. There's a hole in your heart kind of fill it with pictures of you being on a private jet. No that in La there's this thing where you can rent out an hour and sit on a private jet and take photos everywhere. You look like you have a PJ That's amazing. I'm sorry. I'm using my La voice. That's amazing. What you just said is fire and it's amazing and it's lit. What do you gluttonous about besides food? I'm not a big I like to have money, but I'm not a big money guy. I guess sex I like, you know sex with Person I care about which Probably sounds corny to your listeners. No, not at all. We have a into somebody and it's like yeah all the time. Let's go let's do this. But then how could you have ever dated someone you weren't like crazy wanting to fuck? I don't think I ever have you know, I mean, I don't think I've ever dated. I didn't ever been it's never been it's like sex for me is its intensity like it's ratcheted. I haven't I heard it. I heard it. Yeah, so so you started on the other room you're like banging screaming and yeah, but I like I really like that and so in order for that to ever like soft and gentle yeah soft and gentle but there's like different, you know, Ebbs and flows of yeah, it's like the waves. Yeah the oceans like the waves its high tide, you know, there's a lifeguard out there. There's a red flag. I swim at your own risk type situation. You can't fake any of it. You can't I don't like the like there's no faking it. And I don't know. I don't know how other guys are but like I don't like being disassociated with it and having sex like that's pointless. That's why I don't like random sex because I'd rather just masturbate then have a guy masturbate with my vagina and like you don't fit. It doesn't feel good because he doesn't know your body and you have no connection with him. You can make it up in your head. But one just make it outta your head with yourself and actually come but even if it's a one night stand or something like that. It's like Thing where the good one I stand that I've had as has been like kind of like an agreement. It's like let's just let it go and have fun with each other, you know, like have fun with each other and those there's owner ability in that. I will nobility I think is what makes sex good but mostly it's somebody, you know, and you establish something something with and it's like you can really just let it go and you're right. It is vulnerability like you're letting it you're just letting it go I've had people who I like thought I was emotionally crying. I don't know why but I want to be around them a lot. Lat, but I only fuck with dudes like six two and up. But this one guy was less than six to yeah, that's my tragic tragic. But and I was likely I'm not people not killing themselves guys who are less than 6 to I was like, I think I might be attracted to him. I don't think so, but I'll try and because I was so obsessed with his personality and how he carried himself. I became so attracted to him. I want to take it back. I had nothing. Guys, but I like in my head was going through this disassociative phase with dudes where I didn't want to get emotional. So just objectifying all of them. I was like only thanks to its licking its effect anime girls laugh and make guys very mad at me. Well for those of you listening on 5 8 R u5 am yeah, so when I get here wearable when I got in there Hannah was like how many phone books do you need to get up to the microphone? Is that why you spike your hair to get an extra 2 inches? Yeah, the true. Do you ever gonna change your hairdo? I don't think so. I tried to do like a faux hawk thing. I just thought I could see you like Great Gatsby esque. I don't know what that is. I think you know Chris is that when it wasn't there. Yeah, but when I cut my hair is thicker than Chris's and you tell him I said that now my hair I've been blessed to have thick hair. So the only like so many things I can do with it you do but have those of you ladies who would like to see what I look like and I'm on Instagram at Comic Mike V. Sorry we gonna do plugs anytime soon. Well, I do it at that and if they last that long, but I think that your Instagram is great because you interview a little cousin who I fucking love the like the older one. I think Luca look guys I Italian shamed him. It was great. I love when you shame your family because they're all like Mike shut the fuck up and you're getting the biggest kick out of it. Yeah. When is the last time you experienced extreme Wrath? Oh, I got into a fight. I got into an argument with a friend of mine a friend of ours we all know and I got into an argument with him and I that's a good question because I remember the I remember feeling so viciously and Ikes no not we never we when we have a problem. First of all, we rarely have problems. But if we do have them we talk about it. Yeah. We were like you guys could get married wanted to your bathrooms fucking discussing. He still have a hundred. And poo bottles in your bathroom. Yeah, but that's we have a lot we Girlfriends Past. All right, we enjoy a lot of options for people when they come they're all crusty and old I will I was all I wanted to just throw it all away, but he was like monks going to get really mad. Mike will get really mad if you throw it away and I'm like that pisses a lot of like a lot of girls that get pissed off. Yeah. It's like a weird power move by your your like you could be replaced by any of these shampoo bottles. Any second. What were you mad at the friend about he felt he was trying to bully me and it made me Me, I mean I hadn't have done this I passed before. Yeah, but he has that aspect to his Personality. Yeah, so I know you're talking about and I love them. I love them. So it hit me the wrong way and I felt like a viciousness you defending her that I haven't felt in a long time. Did you have to like Alpha and show like, I'm no one to be bullied and we ended up having to talk about it. We ended up having to talk about it. That's all it's just it just ended up we are able to be calm and yeah, yeah. Because it was days later. It was days later and to his credit. He called me but on the phone when we started to get we started to get chippy it it escalated and then I took it actually I could feel it in my gut it took me over. I hate getting chippy. Like I hate losing her cool and becoming in like a sour place of people because I'm very sensitive to yeah. I always try to keep it as light or calm as possible. But I do snap on summer house at the very end it snap don't watch. Yeah. I mean, it's might win an Emmy this season. When was the last time you were a sloth? What's a sloth easy a lazy yesterday. Really? Yeah yesterday because I'll tell you what happened in my brother came into town. He's on business. He has a family he's like works so hard so he came in we went to a spot we went to a diner afterwards and then we went to a cigar bar which was a mistake. It was a huge mistake because every ventilation wasn't good and we smoked cigars and had to borrow. Was a wine and then I went home the next day. I woke up throwing up. But yesterday yesterday. I woke up vomit and alcohol I can't do it was brutal. I think the place he's a skinny today though poor ventilation. Thank you. I did go to yoga. I went to yoga Hot Yoga to detox cool because I felt like garbage you ever go to the yoga room. No, there's one in a story. I know I Bikram Bikram Yoga, do you ever get sick of it? I don't go that much. Okay, but I don't go there. I couldn't do it now. I'm back into it. But I think it makes me I look better. I feel better. But I also look better. Yeah, physically my skin looks better when I do it. When was the last time you let your pride get in the way of something I think was some I think in this business, sometimes people will ask you to do stuff and I don't know if it's Pride but it's like now I'm worth more than that. So no, I think you should yeah say I don't know if that's a pride pride like you're using it as a bad thing. But in that situation, it's like Nan I'm worth when not going to be I'm not going to be I think it's Honest with yourself like in the beginning of my career. I was freelancing for no money because that's what I was. Yes. Yeah, and but then once you start you have to know when to switch things. I also one thing I'm learning about this Industries. Everything's negotiable which as a woman you're taught to just kind of be caring and a caretaker and not like say I want more you supposed to be like easygoing and not like take up too much space. So for someone to be like all can you do this for five hundred dollars in me to go? No 1,000 was like the scariest Thing ever. Yeah, but then I saw how like managers and agents do it like like in their sleep, but the other side of that is be willing to take the loss exactly. You have to realize it's a game that you're not always going to win. So this is our final question. You're doing amazing. Thank you. When was the last time you lost it over someone? I don't my girl my when we met I lost it over her like unless it over because I asked her I want to sleep with her immediately. Okay? We were she was like now we're not doing that tried first night. Yeah, like well, I knew her so I was like, hey, we should you know, we're in Montreal want to see if we actually because I didn't foresee a relationship even I just want to have sex with like I was like, well you wanted a girlfriend so bad. So why are we going in and again our I wouldn't I don't say I wanted a relationship. I've learned over the years that you don't do that. Yeah. We don't want to relate I didn't want a relationship so bad. I just you see how it plays out you. You always see how it plays out because you start planning for that and then it's like oh this is you get lost and who the person actually is. Yeah, if you come with that mindset like I want this to go you start projecting your own feelings onto them and that's like oh this is not who this actually is you are. So right. Also, I have a theory that been right a lot on this podcast by the way, my breasts. I thought you were gonna fuck up the whole time. I think that you could have sex at any point and if it's meant to be you can't fuck it up. I know people have had sex first date and they're dating or married. You can't plan how it's going to perform. We work out to wrap this up there a special burning and he'll wrap up there is and it's a question. How do you cope with your hell? That's a good one. It's a good one. And there's a lot of there's a lot of wrong ways to do it. And the right way to do it is to face it head-on like get the real issues and face it down instead of like putting in your back pocket putting in your back pocket or a lot of people are doing this now because of social media and because of the world that we live in I understand it. They're taking their feelings of insecurity negativity bitterness and their extrapolating them out into a socially acceptable cause and they're coming at this cause they're not coming at the cause of the Pure Heart. They're coming at the cause with a level of bitterness. Mmm. That is that the cause has nothing to do with the actual they're protecting their problems onto. Yeah that but people have a hard time. Looking at themselves in the mirror and being like okay what this I'm so behind this and protesting this and that it's like what's going on inside of me? And where is this coming from? It's coming from a good place of like a balanced even-keeled place of like when with those kinds of things you're not just going to one more you're doing things like you're not trolling people on Twitter for domestic abuse jokes, what you're doing is you're Gathering coats and not and you're getting them to a woman's shelter. To help them. So you're doing things not necessarily not on social media you're doing just things and that's really how brother confidence in yourself and that's how you really learn about yourself not based on how many likes that photo got that doesn't teach you by yourself you just doing it without people know it's like practice. My dad would always be like practice when no one's looking and that's where you get the confidence. Yeah. That's the same thing. I don't know what get too deep but training don't tell anyone or like when prayer and stuff like the people who are praying in front of everything you can you can prey on the subway. You can pray, you know, like in your own in your own head in your own space. You don't have to announce it. It doesn't have to be a meme about it. You know what I mean? UK you don't bring you don't bring no. I'm bringing names into it. I appreciate the point of contention. Do you like my memes? You haven't been liking my shit in social media, but I'm not I don't think it was for me though. It's for younger people. I feel like but I want my humor to be understood by the masses. I don't want to be too Niche. I feel like there's some things that you can laugh at. There's some things that you could compare your life to. I'll make I feel like Italian I feel like it's a lot of dating is a lot of things like a lot of younger person dating stuff. Yeah. It's a lot of single women single man their start there is stuff that translates over to life on manipulating you to give me a compliment right now. No, but I know what you're doing. Thank you. I appreciate your support. I appreciate your honesty. You're always vulnerable vulnerable. I think you're the realest in the game. Let's be honest Mike Vecchio and follow him. We're on Instagram. It's a comic might be on all social media platforms. Her Instagram. Can I plug my podcast? Of course honey? I have a podcast called no disrespect cited. When you say I have a podcast. I mean this week on summer home an older man shows up and grabs Hannah burner out of the brunch. You've had one too many mimosas burner my podcast. Everybody is called no disrespect. It's on the gas digital Network and available on iTunes. That's no disrespect and you could find me on all social media platforms. Alms at Comic Mike V and my website Mike Becky on.com for live dates. He's got shows coming up all over New York City check them out. Don't get them confused with a hockey player named Mike. Mike Young Eagles are district attorney. Okay. I know he's on the Philadelphia Flyers. Okay. Well, there's a lot of Mike back eons. Now, you know and also exciting news is I have a burning in Hell Facebook group now called burning in Hell Little Devils because I'm side You are My Little Devils. It's great and it's a place for you guys to talk shit. Because that's what we love to do. Thanks for coming to hello guys, and I will talk with you later. Bye.

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My name is Ethan and I suffer from bipolar disorder addiction anger issues body dysmorphia and morbid obesity. In fact at my heaviest. I was north of 650 pounds growing up. I never felt comfortable asking for help or being vulnerable. My goal is to create a space where you can feel safe enough to be vulnerable and Shake. Negative stigmas that are attached to mental health. Let's be vulnerable and give others the strength to do the same. Let's talk about it. So today's episode is definitely one of those episodes where the best microphone you have is the one you have on you rule applies. I was on my way back from the Christmas party. We went to Top Golf which was a lot of fun and I just felt really moved to talk about the experience that I've had at this job. So far compared to the job that I've had. Well the industry that I've been in for the past seven eight nine service industry. It's been almost my entire working career. It's amazing how I was so terrified to take a leap. I was so terrified to try to do something new but I've never been happier at the choice that I made. I've never been more grateful to myself for actually taking the leap. You know there really is something to be said about your environment and how it affects your mental health. At first. It was fun. It was great. I was making money I was enjoying it. But as the years went on I enjoyed it less and less and less and it got to the point where I hated waking up in the morning. I hated I just hated everything about my life because My job because of my job like how insane is that that my job could so negatively affect my mental well-being. But I mean the reality is you doing there everything. Is going there every single day sometimes seven days a week usually six to eight hours a day sometimes 14 hours a day. And the crazy thing is working a whole week. I still couldn't pay my bills. I couldn't afford to live once a year. We would have a little PS Christmas party where the company would pretend to appreciate you gratitude gratitude from your job management. Ownership appreciating you like genuinely appreciate you. I worked in the food service industry for 70 years. I've already mentioned that before and I hated it. I hated it such. I think I may actually do a whole episode on my opinion of the food service industry my experience of the food service industry, but it was so Devastating to my mental health in my mental well-being. I'm now working at a job that is owned by a man that is out on his hands and knees in the dirt doing the job with us. My foreman is one of the hardest working man. I've met in a very very long time. And they are both so incredibly grateful for the fact that we just show up and do our job. I'm not I'm not the best at what I do. None of us are the best at what we do but we show up we work I show up at work. If you follow me on Instagram, like, you know, you know how I talk about just showing up. Sometimes just showing up is all you had to do ultimately you want to show up and do the best that you can do. But sometimes sometimes showing up is just enough on the days when you really don't want to sometimes showing up makes a difference. I'm on my way home from the Christmas party and December 26th will be three months that I've been at this job. I got the Christmas bonus a handful of gift cards. I don't even know what the total is, but that's not the point a card and gratitude genuine gratitude from the owners from the foreman. I look forward to going to work every day. I look forward to working with my team. I look forward to learning something. Um, do I look forward to being there? I look forward to be out in the hot sun of Florida. Although strongly December. It's not like terribly hot with my knees in the dirt doing my job. It has been such a long time that I genuinely before word to going to work. I'm still not at the point financially where I can completely support myself, but the fact is I'm going to get there. I'm going to get there with this job and this I told isn't a career not for me at least read something that I can do in the interim while I'm still working on myself while I'm still working on those goals while I'm still working on each and the Beautiful Thing is the schedule is such that I have time to do things like this podcast. I have time to do things like Instagram. I have time to eventually do things like YouTube I have time it's not that I didn't necessarily have time before but the stress of figuring out how I'm going to pay my bills after working 40 hours a week. That is so mentally exhausting that is so draining. I can get to work at seven o'clock work and joke, four five six o'clock and still have energy. The mental energy to go and do a podcast to go and do Instagram to go to the gym having that mental energy that mental Clarity is so incredibly powerful, you know, I mentioned in the first episode going from having no schedule whatsoever to having a schedule and a routine. It's such a such a genuine relief to know that I have a schedule and I have a routine because in my mind when things get chaotic in my mind when I have a bad day, I know I can reassess I can look at what's going on. And I know that I have a schedule and I have a routine. I've something to hold onto I had no idea three months ago, but this job was going to be like I had no idea if I was going to like I had no idea if I was going to make it. I had no idea how to do it. I do nothing. The only thing I knew that I had to try something else because what I've been doing didn't work and I can genuinely say I've never been happier at a decision than the woman made to do the job that I'm doing now. It is amazing. What a difference it makes to go into work. It's genuinely genuinely deeply like the people that you work for and work with. and to be appreciated it is such a relief and such a pleasant and welcomed change. I'm on my way back from the Christmas party. And normally well. Yeah for the past seven years. I've dreaded every single Christmas party. Because it's just the people that I work with that I'm not not fans of coming together and pretending to give a crap about each other. I'm on my way back from the Christmas party where I felt like I was hanging out with my family, you know, go up the family that you like. I took a chance. I took a leap and it's really really funny because the Christmas card so really quick backstory the owner's wife. Owners old lady's not married, but they've been together for a very long time. I've known her for four years. I worked with her at Chili's. She's the one that got me the job. She's the reason I got the job and something she wrote in the card is thanks for taking a leap. That's exactly what I did because she knew in the beginning. I had absolutely no idea what I was doing. So there's two things. I want to take from this. It's one take a leap take a chance. Chance take a risk the worst that can happen is it doesn't work and you have to go back to what you know. Into genuine gratitude genuine gratitude can literally change someone's life. Every time I get a comment on a post or a message on Instagram. I genuinely grateful and I try to convey that as best. I can genuine gratitude has literally changed my life for the better. You never really know what a simple and Here thank you can do for someone else I show up and for the first two months I showed up and I feel horrible. I was awful it took me so actually didn't take me that long to learn but it took me a while to learn and all the while my foreman and my boss. We're grateful. There may be someone around you making mistake after mistake after mistake, but be patient with them kids that may be the best that they can do at that time. Patience and gratitude and if there is something that you are thinking about trying but you're really not sure cause you don't know how it's going to end up take the leap. It may be the best choice you ever make. And again, what's the worst that can happen? It doesn't work speaking of gratitude. I am incredibly grateful that you've given me this piece of time this chunk of time of your day to listen to me ramble. I really really hope it helps at least one person at the very least. It's going to be a reminder to me. And I think that's really cool. I'll have this one the way I had everyone all end. This one the way I end every single one all end all in this one the way I end all of them with a reminder. You are beautiful you are worth it. And as long as you are willing to put the work in hope will always be there. Thank you. Happy New Year everyone. Let's make 20/20 a really really good one.

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Through the cup and then you know you throw that over to your friend's house the other end of the string and your friend, he pulls it in his window and you know, he cuts out of the bottom of a cup and put the string into his cup. And so then you both are holding a cup with a string between your houses and if you talk into that cup the freaking string. Communicates what you're saying the sound through the freakin string to the cup and other guy's house. And so you listen in with the cup and speak the cup like a freaking telephone and that string like even a cloth string will pick up the freakin sound. Okay, so that's what I'm doing with you right now because I got this microphone right here and I'm speaking into the microphone. We've got it have this setup man. That's why I had to go over that. You gotta go do the VIP email list. All right. Getting on with the questions. I've been meaning to get that for like the last 10 episodes man. I had a lot I keep on wanting to talk about that thing with the email list and I keep on forgetting about it and so man. I had a lot of pent-up like I guess like thoughts and emotions about it because you know that whole internet censorship thing is really against me so but I really like the internet. Like I said, I like that cool thing, you know, the reason why I was talking about the string everything is because I'm talking into this device and then you're like on the other side of the string, you know with your device, you know your computer or your Apple iPhone or Samsung or whatever you're listening with and and you know, so it's like we're talking like on that on that just like the kid in the string, you know talking to the friend, you know, when they're at the different house like with the telephone that's like what we're doing right here, but I got to be able to reach you. So that's why I was talking about that. That's why we've got to get that done. So getting on with the questions. All right, the first one is how to prevent a musket. Altair no, I've never torn muscle and you know having experience with tearing a muscle would probably help you know more so I would talk to some people that poor muscles as well. But for me, one of the reasons why I have never told porn a muscle is because when I lift weights, I make sure that I'm in control of the weight the entire time that I'm lifting. Okay, so you know this Is really common to see when people bench press is they the bar if I was going to talk about the speed of the bar when they bench press you know, so say they've got it held up. They just unwrapped the bar and they go like down up down. So it's like the the part where it goes downwards towards their chest is like pretty damn fast, and then it's like slowly going back up towards the top position again with Triceps extended so that is not how to lift weights you guys. That is the opposite way of lifting weights. Like when I see this I'm like I'm like, oh man, like you gotta change you gotta change dude because so I don't want to hurt anybody's egos, you know what I'm saying? But like if you if you're doing this thing where you're going like down like slowly like that. You got it. You just got it. Next time you just gotta decide. Hey, I'm just going to do it differently from now on, you know, even though I have to use less weight. You just got it freaking change doing that man, cuz it's no good. It's no good. It's not helping you at all. So that eccentric part of the movement. That's where you know the stretching part of the movement. That's where you like get your muscle growth from and like the muscle stimulation. So if you're going through that part and let kind of dropping it down to your chest and then pushing it up slowly. You're like taking out the part where you really stimulate the muscle fibers and get them to like Gross Back bigger and stronger and take up the nutrition from your food. It's like it's just like the worst the worst every time you want to push it up so that you can do another Stretch under control again because that's the part. That actually does what you're in the gym. That's the most important part right the other part Works a bit, but it's like a ratio of like 2/3 to 1/3 right that part where you push it back up that's like one-third of where the stimulus is or maybe a little less. You know that stretching part. Boom that shit where you stretch it and you let it the stress stretch putting it down to your chest and then you can hold it there and you can comfortably hold it at your chest pause. For one second, like literally one second just like one one thousand and then boom up. So the Cadence is like stretching stretching stretching stretching paws on the chest boom up stretching stretching stretching pause on the chest. Boom up that is like the Cadence of how you should be doing the bench press and so every, you know, you'll be accelerating the weight up when you're pushing up. Okay, and when you do that, That's going to be making you do a maximal effort on each rep. So, you know on the last rep, you might grunt a little bit, you know on a normal set and be like, uh to get that last rep. Okay, well on this one, you're going to be grunting on the first drop like, uh, because you gotta push that shit away from you as fast as possible. You got to because you know, why would you be pushing it slower? Okay, then you're not moving your muscle to you're not taking it to the maximum intensity. If your muscle can move the weight quickly upwards. Then you need to be able to take advantage of what your muscle can do to the max not conserving it so you can do more reps later in the set. No, it's a high-intensity exercise. That's what growing muscle is is increasing your maximal ability. So you got to exercise maximally so you come down and you come down stretching it and then the fast part of the movement is when you press it back up. When you press the bench, press back up and your arms are extended. With the bar away from you. That's the part where the bar is moving fast. And then the part where it's coming down towards you is where it's moving slow. Okay, and so I think now you understand what kind of control that you should have of the weight when you're weightlifting. Okay, and when you do control weights like this the you know joint injuries can still happen, you know where you can you know have some joint issues or something but muscle tears tendon tears very unlikely. Okay, very unlikely because you were in control of the weight and you could stop it at any time in its movement if you wanted to If you probably you know, you're not you're not stopping at all the time and shit, but if you wanted to you could any time during the movement, okay, so that's the big thing for muscle tears. And then the other thing to know with muscle tears is that they don't occur or muscle tears, like tendon tears, you know, when sometimes the muscle tears like the actual fiber and then other times the tendon tears off of the bone the tendon that you know attaches the muscle to the Bone so the muscle can pull and like move your arm or whatever. And when I'm talking about bench, press with the rep Cadence and everything that was just an example for every exercise every exercise the stretch and then the flex the stretching part should always be slow on every single exercise completely under control stretching, you know, you could stop the way at any time if you wanted to and then the part where you Flex again and make the muscle shorter that part should always be fast as fast as possible. So, you know, obviously by You know, the first rep of the set is going to move faster than the last drop of the set because you know, you're going to be too fatigued at the end to move it fast anymore. You get you get it you get it and then every single time when you come down for that- you never drop the weight down you always control it at the speed that you could stop it if you wanted to okay that does the most muscle growth stimulus and it prevents the terror because tears only occur on the retching portion of the movement. They do not occur on the flexing part of the movement. Okay, so you just need to know that that whole thing where you know, that's why I was saying when I first started talking about this like if you are one of these guys that does the bench press right now where you go fast down to your chest and then slow pressing up fast down to your chest slow pressing up. You just gotta stop like you just got to give that up like right now because it's not worth it. Those those guys. The ones that you know, that's the part of the movement where muscles tear it's also the same thing like NFL football players American football players, you know, they tear their pecs quite frequently while they're playing the game. And the reason for that is because if you're like blocking someone or somebody presses on your arm, or you make a tackle where somebody presses backwards on your arm. It's because all of a sudden the arm is getting stretched backwards really quickly, right? And that's that stretch. Chewing motion and the quickness of how fast the muscle is being stretched. Those are the two factors that cause hectares for example, but it's for any muscle in your body. It's always on the stretching portion. And so that's always where the terror happens during the stretching portion of the movement not during the flexing portion. And then the other other thing is that the speed the speed impacts how much is To be how much force is required to make a tear. That's how the end of how I say to prevent a muscle tear. Alright. Next question is from velvety Adventures. Bro, can you please talk about premature ejaculation and a cure most anabolic user Community platforms never talked about this. It's too tough to get a solution for this. Yeah, so, you know steroids definitely affect everything to do with your reproductive system, you know, they even like, you know, they shut off your hormone system taking steroids and then they they take over for you. Basically, they they shut off your reproductive system and make it so that your body doesn't produce any more sperm or testosterone or anything like that and then, you know, hopefully you're taking the right combination of steroids to you know, fill in for that and and you know, how have a You're you know, at least some portion of your sexual system come back on and usually testosterone taking testosterone as what does that but sometimes you know, I'm just testosterone only guys libidos come down after a while and then they find out they got to start taking HCG and hdg brings their libido back up to where it should be. But, you know pretty much all factors of this process, you know, that reproductive shut down and like, you know how steroids then can in, you know how they impact the reproductive system pretty much all of them can be Changed they can be fiddled with okay. So as far as lengthening the amount of time that you need in order to get that like reflexive action where you start to ejaculate shoot white stuff. That can be influenced by taking steroids. So generally probe iren decreases the amount of time that that takes to happen. And then Master on also decreases the amount of time that that makes it happen, but also makes the interval between times shorter. So that would be Master on and providing they have pretty similar effects in that and that You you will want to climax more often and be able to and they also like make you come a little bit quicker. Okay, and then there are other ones like tremble own. Okay and Trend Lon ask anybody who's used tremble on you won't have premature ejaculation if you're using trembling, okay, so some people, you know, if they've really had a lot of Anxiety about that or something or that's been something that's caused them a lot of grief during their life. They'll be like, whoa. This is the cure to my future ejaculation, you know taking trembling like this is great. But you know, it's still think maybe Trends good further their sex life or something, but I promise you in the end won't be of career. He use it for longer. But you know, that's a real effect of tremble on is that it does take away premature ejaculation it A because it's a reflex like the ejaculation is a reflex. So basically they make the amount of stimulation that has to happen to make that reflex happen way more like the like mental and physical whole process in order to make that reflex be triggered. So it basically like desensitizes whatever mechanism is in your brain that triggers that you know a jack she Jack chelation reflex. So then the stimulation has to be quite a bit more before that reflex gets stimulated. So that increases the time and pretty much allows you to like choose when that's going to happen. So yeah, but they're you know, there are other ways other than Trend there are other ways other than Trend not going to get into it this time because there are not steroid ways, but Are lots of things that you can do. So yeah, we're getting on with the next question then is from viral body. If I'm 21 is a trt dose of test for my first real cycle good or should I step up the dose? I've used Austrian and Route 140 Psalms before. Okay, well, you know taking a tea or tea dose of test isn't a first cycle. So I think that you have like real like unrealistic expectations about what steroids can do for you. So a trt does dose of test is just replacing your natural testosterone levels. So you really shouldn't feel much different or notice much difference at all. If you were going to take if you wanted to like do a cycle like you said like a cycle of steroids which doing t or t test is not Um, you know, in order to see any gains, you know that were doing a cycle that during a short period of time you really need like 500 milligrams of testosterone as a minimum and even that's not really very strong different people will have different results because different people create different blood levels of testosterone from the same milligram amount of injection and it's quite a wide range where one guy can have double the amount of testosterone. In his blood after the same injection amount then another guy if they both injected the same amount of milligrams. It's different bodies metabolize or destroy breakdown hormones at different speeds. So that's why there can be some variance in what people say about first cycle. Some guys can have a first cycle experience like 250 milligrams of testosterone occasionally. This is this is unusual, but there is some people Out there where they respond like quite a bit on that, you know low dosage for that first cycle. So there's some a bit of onion a bit of not Clarity there because usually the experience is that that doesn't happen. But then there is this odd man out every once in a while. There's one of these guys where they do, you know have quite good benefits from something like 250 milligrams per week, but it's really rare like one of 250 or less probably is like that. It's not something that the average guy experiences on his first cycle. So you've already used so arms dude that's going to be stronger like then the interiority like Psalms if you're taking the one you said was rad 140, which I've I've never used that but I've used Austrian and I've also used lgd and both of those are like steroids. They're like moderate. They're like on the weaker side of moderate steroids pretty much everybody that I've known who has used lgd 4033 before they did a testosterone cycle for their first cycle. Everybody says the lgd was Stronger basically every single person says that it was stronger than 500 milligrams of testosterone per week. And then when I was on it though to me, it was felt more like 300 milligrams. So I went off of testosterone and I was on lgd. And an S 23 yeah, because I was offered testosterone and then when I was offered testosterone and I was on that, you know, I could feel that I was on something but my body started like kind of deteriorating a little bit right because there's only anse arms and no testosterone and so then I added the testosterones back in and then I was on a thousand milligrams thousand two hundred fifty milligrams of testosterone week with some lgd 4033 and then it was it was working good. Good, so it was working my cycle with the testosterone is working better with the lgd than not. Okay, and definitely that there's no question about it. So they do work whoever they don't replace steroids and I definitely noticed my body deteriorating a bit when I use them without steroids Psalms, but with your experience, bro. The trt dose of test for your first real cycle ain't going to make you feel shit. So yeah, I'd step up the dose. You've used Austrian and rad 140. How about you start if I were you I would start out my first cycle with like testosterone and an oral steroid or testosterone and testosterone and tremble on I know a lot of people say what the hell dude my first cycle. I did testosterone for the first month. And then after that I said fulke I'm using How many guys have said that fuck it? I mean that's a meme fuck it. I'm using Tran fuck it. I'm using Tran next question is from Moe. Question for the podcast what happens if you accidentally inject air intramuscularly, I have pharmaceutical grade testosterone, but sometimes I can't get all the bubbles out. Yeah, that's kind of a question how when you're like not quite so used to injections. Yeah, you try to get all the air out. So what you do to do that is you face the syringe with the needle on it towards the ceiling so up and then you start like tapping the Barrel of the syringe or flicking it where like the oil is and that like makes the water or the started the oil the steroid oil then the air bubbles kind of like go through up to the top and then once the air bubbles are at the top for me, like flicking the syringe or whatever then you can like, press them out, you know out at the tip of the needle or the tip of the syringe and get them out of there. But if you can't get all the air bubbles out and you know, there's still a little bit in there like a quarter million. Liter of air or something personally. I don't worry about that. So definitely having a little bit of air bubbles in there or like, you know a little bit of air in there something like a quarter milliliter or something never had a problem with it. Never known anyone who's had a problem with it. Okay. So that's my answer to that is that an official medical answer? No, it's not but, you know, never known anyone who's had a problem with that and there's also a difference between injecting air into a vein and into a muscle because if you inject a bit of air into a muscle like I mean, I guess that the concern is, you know, having a bubble of it in your in your bloodstream and having that go through your heart or something, which yeah that could that could happen if you inject air into a vein because then it goes right into your heart and you know, that's not good. But if it's in your muscle and it's got to go through all this shit to get back to your heart. I don't think you've got much to worry about so never had a problem. Never known anyone that's out of problem. Alright, next question is from Zach who asks can people sent someone with elevated hormone levels such as how humans pick up on pheromones. Does that have any correlation? I would say yeah, I can definitely like people on steroids is just different than people who are on steroids like just being around them. It's just a bit different one thing that you notice is their eyes. So that's probably like the most prominent thing is people who take steroids their eyes seem like way more intense all the time. So when you're talking to them there can be it just seems like they're a little bit Tensor serious, or it has some kind of kind of an effect where it can make you feel a little bit of stress actually when you're talking to people who are on, you know, a lot of steroids or you know, a lot of steroids for them to wear their because it like Hypes you up. So I'm not sure exactly like what it is about the face and the eyes that change but I'm sure it has to do with adrenaline because like your adrenaline levels are always a little bit higher. When you're on steroids and you know, obviously when somebody's like, you know, really pumped up and like has a lot of adrenaline like obviously they just seem a bit more intense and you know pumped up a bit, you know, even if they're not a muscular person it just having that that's really what it looks like actually a higher adrenaline level like a higher resting adrenaline level. That's the thing with the eyes think I figured this out while I was talking just now about how to explain it to you. And the thing with the eyes is yet. It's a higher adrenaline level. They're resting adrenaline level is higher and this is pretty common with steroid users and you can see it and you can feel it because that feeling it transmits to you and you think oh this could make you feel a little bit tense something like that like because they seem like they're hyped up they're wired slightly wired. And if you take the right steroids to they can seriously wire you like if Take really high dosages of testosterone up to like two grams per week or so, or if you take a ton of probe. Ayran or like a ton of Angel and one straw. I'm talking like, you know, like at least a hundred milligrams a day of multiple of those at the same time. So and then like a ton of testosterone to like, you know, maybe you're taking a gram and a half a testosterone and then you taken a hundred milligrams of providing per day and a hundred milligrams and a draw in a hundred milligrams of winstrol per day. Wrong with that, you know like dude, you will be like seriously hyped seriously hyped. Yeah, like you will feel like the steroids are I mean, you'll be shaking you will see a Tremor and your body like your when you walk downstairs, you'll get a bit of a Tremor like in your knee you'll feel it as you kind of lower yourself down or like when you look at your hands or even like people like your girlfriend or your family or something or people just in general if they see you reach out to grab. Like a fork or grab something like when you're eating together with other people, you know, and they see your arms stretched out. They might say something like like oh you're shaking a little bit or like why are you shaking a little bit what's wrong or something like that? Because it causes you know, when you have adrenaline, it causes this little like Tremor Tremor and yeah taking like those those steroids, especially testosterone, especially Trend alone. Especially Anna draw, especially Dianabol. I mean Dianabol if you take a hundred Mg and just bomb it you visibly like start getting that kind of red and and and feeling a swelling feeling in your face and feeling irritable and just feeling uncomfortable maybe kind of itchy and and just not good. And then yeah, you don't feel very good and it really hits you right away and working out is a good way to deal with it because then you don't really feel those feelings anymore. And you feel extra extra energy because you've got this like adrenaline feeling. So yes steroids make you feel stimulated and other people can definitely sense it. And also there is somewhat of a thing to like steroids help create like the essence of a champion or like the essence of a more. Masculine man, but they definitely they definitely at the same time. They don't make you cool like at all. Okay, they probably make you less cool maybe because you're you're like on something and and has mental effects and then other people are not so makes you a little bit less able to like attached or communicate as effectively, you know similar to like if you were not definitely this is exaggerated, but, you know, perhaps if you were on coffee and the other person was not You know or you were on a little bit of alcohol in the other person was not something like that. I think that it has a bit of a little effect like that very small effect on making it a little bit harder to communicate because the body language is a little bit different but man humans can pick up on it. There's a ton of shit man. There's a ton of shit. I mean your whole life changes when you start taking steroids, like believe me, man. An your whole life changes when you take sticks are taking steroids. I've said this before like male hormones are fucking powerful shit like that. There's a reason why this information is like suppressed and you know, it's hard to find information and shit because these are powerful freaking drugs and there's like no no information about these things that is reliable and that you can find which is why I wrote Ultimate Guide to roids my book in which is why I do the podcast. You know is because this information is it it's so hard to find. Okay, and it's like these are powerful shit. So I don't know the stuff that when I'm talking about the Mental effects of steroids and everything and if you know how it changes your life and everything like it changes the way that you know people interact with you for sure and you know, like your first impression it changes, you know, you know, the way you look at changes the shape of your head and everything like that. They're really really really powerful things and You know change the way that other people feel when they're near you and they you know, they also make you think a little bit differently like ability to focus on one thing targeting Behavior less multitasking ability. I like that they have these effects and and like confident and even confidence and like the essence of like someone with like more drive or or like, you know, they say with Athletics the essence of a champion like it. Helps create those things somewhat it does. So since it's only male hormones and basically everyone that gets on male hormones sees how powerful they are and like how yeah how powerful they are and how they can like benefit them. That's basically why I like everyone like stays on them. It's like I would never want to get off steroids. Why would I fuckin want to get off steroids? They're like, I'm such a I'm so much better with them. I'm so much better with steroids. It would fucking suck to have to start using steroids. That would fucking stop. I don't want that. Okay, I want to use them. I like them. I'm dead serious. Like that's just my opinion. And so but that's the opinion of most people who have used them like just talk to guys who have used them and they all say like, you know, I want to keep using that shit. Because oh my God, anyways, it's just male hormones to and it has effects that are are you know, not with the way that Society likes, you know, they don't like, you know, too many masculine men out there. That's not good. So there's a lot of pressure trying to suppress this information and steroids a relatively new, you know, it's only in the 40s that they started being used. Used but I'll tell you guys some, you know early people who use steroids so Hitler actually took testosterone injections during World War Two. He also took math during World War II, so he was using both of those President John F. Kennedy took testosterone propionate. A lot of people guys a lot of high up people lot of high up people have used steroids and testosterone. So steroids steroids that word that powerful word that evokes a response in almost every human on planet Earth. If you say that word steroid. Oh everyone knows even the street foods the person who sweeps the streets or sells the fruit on the streets. They know the word steroid. Cuz people are fascinated by steroids. People are absolutely fascinated. Okay, the next question is from Phil who says I'm working through listening to all your podcasts. So I may as well be in one what benefits of if any using try Trend 150 Over The Straits on their own. Yeah, so try trend is three different Esters of tremble. And so remember an ester you have a hormone. Okay. So trembling is the hormone and then you have an ester that makes it last longer. Body, so try trend is 50 milligrams of trembling with three different textures on it and they each release at different speeds into the bloodstream. So that's the same way that testosterone our sustenance in is for different textures of testosterone and one vial so this is three different Esters of trembling in one vial. So it's like a sustenance version of tremble on as Trend acetate which comes on really quick and then it has Trend and Aunt date. Eight, which is like testing at that, you know comes on after a couple weeks and then they are week with Trend. It's a little quicker and they also have tremble own hexahydrate benzyl carbonate in there, which is the longest Esther. That's the kind that was it used to be a human pharmaceutical product that was made for humans in Little ampules called Parable and France that was being made until 1997. They stopped making that the the prescription for tremble own. The reason it was prescribed was for severely Mal malnourished people and that's pretty much the way that they use it in cows. Now, they use it when the cows are on the train going to the slaughterhouse and like during that catabolic event for them. The cows are on Trend prevent them from losing their muscle. That's one of the ways that they use it. There's a a lot of ways that they use Trend and estrogen cows. It's a lot of hormones hormones in there. So no reason to eat too much organic beef if you take steroids organic chicken. Next question is from Smitty. Would you recommend PCT no matter what after your first cycle every Forum says this is a in all caps must. I know I'm going to do many many cycles and don't want to waste time. Is there some valuable experience? I'm missing by not PC teaching after my first cycle any health risks? Well, you know if you're going You that plan that you have where you are going to do many many cycles and you're anxious for gains. You say you don't want to waste time. The health risks are actually in peace eating a lot because if you keep on taking those PCT drugs, I mean those things are not healthy, you know, neither neither injectable steroids other than Trend. Those are usually not very unhealthy. Okay that in general if you're using I'm not saying this is like a eat hard rule. Okay, but if you exclude Trend most of the injectable steroids, they're not that unhealthy that like a lot of them you can maintain like perfect blood work on them. Like, you know, 750 milligrams of testosterone per week. Yeah, like a lot of people can maintain up to a thousand milligrams of testosterone per week. Perfect blood work on that. So oral steroids are usually toxic though, and that usually like always hurt your blood work and make your blood work actually look like a mess while you're on them and then when Off it goes back to normal and then also stuff like Nova decks and you know aromatase Inhibitors if you're using them, you know with while you're not on cycle and for PCT and Clomid those things. Yeah, they mess up your blood work while you're on them. So why would you want to go through this yo-yo anyways of where your PC teaching to get your natural cake get your nuts back them nuts and then after you know after You got them nuts back. You leave them nuts hanging out of some, you know, your girl a few times and then you know, they go bye-bye again because you start another cycle what the fuck was the point of that and then they come, you know, you get done with that cycle and leaving them nuts hanging out again, and then they go bye-bye again after another cycle like, you know that just do what you want to do. You'll find out pretty soon. You'll you'll start find out pretty soon that If you want to get real big, you got a pretty much just stay on. Yeah, you can do cruises, you know come off for a month or two months. And then you can do some tea or tea for a little, you know, another month or something and then do another like four months cycle or something and maybe do that twice a year. But like for the most part it's like you're going to be like on on testosterone or something for most of the time if you like really into bodybuilding or like getting big or something like that. You won't be really big, you know lasting and cruising as they call it or you know, just like staying on something most of the Like at least some testosterone that's the way that's the way you got to do it and a lot of guys that say that they're like completely off. They're lying. Okay, it's not true. And okay, so people who are like really really into bodybuilding. They're obsessed with bodybuilding. Okay. Usually that coincides with not having not being like a really social person like a really socially aware. A person if you look and also some of the drugs, you know, like trembling stuff like if you look at like Pro bodybuilders, they don't seem they don't seem like normal like they have a weird. It's like off the communication. It's off. It doesn't seem right seems weird and Man, why was I even talking about that? You know what? We're going to move to the next question. If I were you I'm just going to say this now. I would be on testosterone for the most of the time and I wouldn't be doing a lot of pcts. Kailani asks, hey, bro, what are the best steroids for a starter like me stuff that doesn't give a lot of side effects and is easy to use and you can just kind of take it and make gains and then and also like, you know get like a performance enhancement effect and like look better while you're on it stuff like that. So that would be like a low dosage of testosterone for a first cycle. I think a lot of times one or two seat one or two cc's of testosterone. So 250 or 500 milligrams of testosterone with In oral that doesn't turn into estrogen or any other hormones is a good cycle. So something like anavar or wind straw or Toronto ball, those three oral steroids. They don't turn into any female hormones. And when you're on them they make you stronger like really quickly within a week and they make you look better too. Like pretty quick like within a week, so and they don't make you like gain weight. So you don't look like bloated and everything they make you look better so doing that and then you have to not worry about any side effects because they're not making any estrogen you don't have to take any other extra pills with them or something like that. It's easy cycle. So that's what I recommend for a first cycle is doing something where you get a you get to satisfy that hunger to be enhanced a little bit. Okay, this next question is from Thorne. He's from the city in California that I went to collagen. I went to University. I went to University of California Santa Cruz. And so Thorne says what's up? I'm a 34 year old aspiring bodybuilder from Santa Cruz, California and listen to the podcast religiously. What's up Thorn? What's up, buddy? I'm looking for information on. Insulin and its relation to growth hormone dosing and protocols and why these protocols work best how to work how it works in your body to shuttle nutrients and how to safely use it without going hypoglycemic. Thanks for everything you're doing also which insulin is best and why okay, so insulin question, yeah, so insulin, it's one of the few chemicals that can actually kill you in one that's used in bodybuilding and like one ass so when talking about using insulin know that you are using something that can kill you if you use like you said getting hypoglycemia, if you use too much without enough carbohydrates, if you get into hypoglycemia, then you can go unconscious into a coma really quickly and then you can like die so, you know for somebody like Dallas McCarver that had food in his mouth and died. It's pretty obvious. What was happening hypoglycemia from an insulin shot not having enough carbohydrates trying frantically to load the the mouth with carbohydrates because you're going into shock and you know the arms when you go into shock and you're shutting down like that in the arms become like Flappy Fish and the feet and legs to you can't control them. So if you've ever got out of bed like with Your leg asleep and like falling over because you know, like you put your when you got out of bed or something. This might have happened to you or my not of everyone when you got a bed in the legs asleep, you can't use the muscle and so you just fall over and then you're like on your side on the floor. So this is the same thing that happens with the insulin when you're going into the insulin coma which can happen really quickly, you know, it can happen within minutes. Your arms and your legs everything will start to just become like like flapping with no kind of tension at all on it. So if you try to take a step, you know to get to the fridge or something like that, you know, your leg will just collapse under you and you know, you'll be trying to move your arm to reach for something and you just kind of slapping at it. That's what happens when somebody goes into an insulin coma so so that's why insulin is dangerous because as a worst-case scenario, that's the consequence of using insulin and then when we're talking about things like steroids or growth hormone, you know, there aren't consequences like that associated with them. So when you're using insulin just be aware that you are using something that has a much higher absolute, you know the word. What's the worst thing that can happen? You're using something that is more like that. And you know what? I said all the bad things, you know that can happen about insulin also at the same time realize that there are you know, millions of diabetic people who have to take insulin every day. And you know, they do have lower life expectancy is shorter life expectancies than people who are not diabetic but you know, most of them are not dying on in And every day, you know, most of them are a hundred percent fine. However, there are a number of them who do die every year in statistics from insulin related accidents. So this is a real it's really a substance that carries risk with it. It really is as far as using it the simplest. So I'll tell you the mechanism behind why people use it. Okay you Choose your you know, your dosages and protocols and everything like that, but I'll show you the reason why it works so increases the amount of igf-1 that goes into your blood your blood level when you use growth hormone with it. If you use growth hormone alone versus when you use growth hormone with insulin the growth hormone with insulin increases the igf-1 A lot more than growth hormone alone. And then the other reason why you use it is to shuttle nutrients nutrition across the cell membrane into the muscle cell from the bloodstream into the muscle cell. So every cell pretty much every cell in your body, but definitely muscle cells and fat cells they have this receptor. They have a membrane. So the the organelles the stuff inside the cell you know that So work the muscle cell there inside this like membrane and that's like a like a bubble. Like if you blow a bubble you put all these little ingredients inside the bubble. And those are the organs and said this muscle cell that like make the muscle so work and then you got this little bubble blown around it. Okay, that's the membrane and so on the membrane, there's all these receptors on it and like one with receptor is the male hormone receptor the Androgen receptor, and then there's you know, another receptor. It's an insulin receptor. and you know, these little receptors are all scattered all over the cell membrane on all your cells and when they when they see there they're little Thing that they their stimulator their activator come along they dock with that shit. So an androgen receptor docks with steroids molecules. So when it sees that antigen receptor on that bubble around your your muscle cell, you know, it's the membrane. It keeps the rest of the stuff of the muscle cell inside when that Androgen receptor docks with a steroid. A male hormone Deca tremble own testosterone and of are any of them then it transmits a message into the nucleus the DNA of the cell and tells it is freaking steroids here men is freaking steroids and we're going to start making some muscle. We ain't losing any muscle. We're not losing any Protein. That's what it that's what it signals. That's the result. Okay. So the insulin receptor is insulin receptor on all the cells on the membrane, you know, once that insulin is in the blood and it docks. Would that membrane it? Sorry doesn't talk with the membrane it box with the insulin receptor. It docks with the insulin receptor the insulin docks with the insulin receptor on the cell membrane and what that transmits the messages is opened the floodgates baby send in all the Attrition in the bloodstream all the nutrients in the bloodstream. Just open that shit up like open sesame. That's what insulins does. And so that's why people say and why it can create such a huge difference in a physique size like overnight and shit is because you can load these peoples freaking muscle cells up with all of the nutrients that are in the bloodstream using anabolic windows and using insulin and growth hormone. So basically what happens is you go and do a workout and when you go and do a workout. The workout makes your muscles get broken down. It's damaging to the muscles. And so then all of these receptors start appearing on the membranes of those muscle cells that were damaged. And you know, you're using glycogen carbohydrate fuel storage from inside of the muscle cell. While you're exercising that's the fuel that is using to do the exercise. So now at the end of the workout the muscle cell then becomes extra sensitive to insulin. And the harder you work out the more sensitive to insulin the muscle cell is and the way that it does that is it puts out these receptors on the membranes of the cells of the muscle cells called glut4 receptors. Okay. So that makes carbohydrates enhances carbohydrate uptake into the muscle cell to make more muscle glycogen. Okay, and the more intensity you train with the more of these glut4 receptors are created on the outside of your muscle cells that The glycogen super compensation to happen and then you got other receptors that are appearing out there like igf, like igf-1 receptors for repairing the muscle. Okay. So now right when you get done with your workout, okay, you take a growth hormone shot. This is why people they take the growth hormone to the gym with them. You know, you see like Boston Lloyd and his videos you see him like taking a cooler of like growth hormone and insulin and shit to the gym with him and then like as soon as he gets to his car you see him taking shots already. So the he was doing a similar protocol to this because what you do is right when the you get out of the gym that moment you get done training and you you know, yeah the moment you get done training. You see aha my muscle cells are super sensitive to insulin and they're super sensitive to igf-1. They've got all these igf-1 receptors out. Okay, because you know, I've just damaged them and depleted their energy storage. So you immediately take a shot of growth hormone intramuscularly so that the growth hormone, you know goes straight to your bloodstream and what it does then is it actually desensitizes your fat cells to insulin because that's what growth hormone does to when the growth hormone molecule interacts with the growth hormone receptor on fat cells deactivated desensitizes them to the to the effects of insulin and then it also at the same time makes the muscle cells more sensitive to insulin even more. Okay, and then it also stimulates this igf-1 receptors that are on the muscle cells at the same time because it creates igf-1 from the liver. Okay. So then after you take that growth hormone shot, then you start eating sugar. Okay, you eat sugar and you eat like whey protein would be a good one right here because it gets in the bloodstream fast. And so then the person loads their bloodstream. Okay, they load their bloodstream. Well, they have just done the workout and they've had the growth hormone shot to make the insulin sensitivity in the body. Very extreme. You know, this opens up like a real anabolic window. Okay, and then they start loading their bloodstream with sugar and fast-acting protein. Okay. And so then their blood gets all full of this shit and then now what happens what happens next? I think some of you guys know Okay, so about after doing that for 15 to 30 minutes or something loading up the bloodstream by eating a fast-acting protein and sugar Okay. Now what's the next thing that happens transport molecule? Okay. So transport molecule is insulin. So insulin then is injected and what the insulin does is it goes to the muscle cell insulin receptor and says open sesame open sesame, okay, and now all of these Nutritional and energetic contents of the bloodstream are then slam like a Piledriver into the muscle cell. Okay, and the muscle cell takes up all of the energy that is in the bloodstream the anabolic window during that time and the sensitivity of the insulin and the growth hormone and having done the work out being on the steroids all combines at that moment to make the anabolic window. You know, how they talk about the anabolic window. This is a serious freaking anabolic. Window that you make through this little protocol right here with the insulin and the growth hormone and the workout and then obviously having taken steroids. Do you know sometimes at this point to you know, the person will get out of the workout and or if they took a pre-workout oral steroid, you know, it'll still be in their bloodstream when they're finished which would make it, you know, even more extreme of an effect. So anyways, that was a that was a big revelation. That I just told you guys about this whole protocol. I know that was missing from the podcast before but now the information is here this information about you know, why do why do people use insulin so that that concept what I just now told you is, you know, if you if you were going to be someone that wanted to use insulin and in their body building because there are a lot of people I don't recommend it and I You know in the podcast I don't want to make people either think that I'm like promoting drug use because there's definitely risk for it as I experienced myself with you know, injecting an infected steroid solution into my leg, you know in Colombia and almost having my leg have to get cut off, you know so that you know, I experienced that there is risk associated with you know, what we're doing here with taking steroids. It's that myself so I don't want you guys to think that I'm glorifying or promoting the use of this stuff what I'm doing with the podcast as I'm just telling you what people do. Okay, so that the information is out there and so that it's not something that is just unknown and this big mystery. I'm just telling you what people do so yeah, that was the about Insulin today, he's got another he's got another question. I'm going to answer his second question to you know, traditionally he says which insulin is best in wide traditionally for bodybuilding. It's been the rapid acting insulin that's used in that fashion and and know that you know, yeah, okay. It's been the it's been the fast-acting that's been traditionally used. There's all kinds of insulin that is used by bodybuilders some use the The long-acting some use Lantus insulin. It's all operating on that same general principle though of the person, you know takes growth hormone and steroids and then you know, they're they're trying to like super physiologically load their muscle cells with with nutrients from the bloodstream by using that transport molecule insulin to you know, Drive Drive, The nutrients from the food that they eat into their muscle cells that's like the principle of why people use insulin and it's also like why athletes use it to you because so, you know, your body can only naturally glycogen load so fast, so, you know and an athlete for somebody like in the Tour de France who was doing like a bicycle riding thing. Okay. Well insulin is going to be like incredibly useful to them because you know, what if they just did, you know a Our bike ride and you know, they've used all of their glycogen stores now that they use from eating spaghetti, you know for the last week or something like that. So now what they do is they go take a little growth or moan the shot and a little test suspension shot in the little car that drives with them or whatever. You know while there's well, they're supposed to be sleeping at night to get their insulin sensitivity, right and they did the workout, you know, the bike riding and now they take a little test suspension shop because You know, they don't want to have any drug tests up and so is do a little test suspension shot during the race and with a so test suspension is testosterone with no Esther. So it's instant acting and then take the little growth hormone and then start loading up the sugar, you know, they can probably put in like a thousand grams of sugar or something like that because for the next day they got they're going to use that shit again. They just use it during the big bike ride, and then they take that little insulin and Bam. Those muscle cells are completely glycogen loaded again, like in a way that would be absolutely impossible to just load the muscles with that much like a gin like that over time by, you know, eating a bunch and really fill in the stomach up or something that night. No, it's going to go everywhere. It's going to go into the fat cells. It's going to go in the muscle cells whatever but instead what they do with the growth hormone the insulin and the workout in the Tour de France, which would be the bike riding and then I'm You guys doping Secrets right now. I'm telling you doping secrets. Wow, I wasn't expecting this so I wasn't planning to. Tell you guys all these. High-value information today just kind of came out so good question Thorne. Okay. I'm going to read his last question. I hear you guys talking and have read that when taking a hormone with a high energetic raid rating like tremble own having a high dose of tests and trend is going to overpower the test and The receptors and then you'll just have a lot of tests floating around just waiting to aromatize into estrogen now. I hear you constantly saying more tests equals thicker gains, and I'm a big proponent of this. That's what I'm looking for in my goals. And I looked at his picture and yeah, he's very thick he's a very is very muscular. But I also am very sensitive to anti estrogens and don't want to be abusing a bunch of anti-estrogen to keep my test from turning into estrogen. Okay. Yeah. So the the thing about overloading the Androgen receptors that that's not that's a myth. So what happens is the more shit you take the more Androgen receptors your body produces. So like if you take steroids you have more Energon receptors than a natural and then if you take more steroids you have even more Androgen receptors and as you keep on increasing the dosage. Body keeps making more receptors and you know what? They've done studies on animals. Okay, and this effect keeps on going up to over. Okay, you're not going to believe this. You're not going to believe this. Okay, but they've done studies on like dogs and shit. We like a hundred million like a hundred thousand milligrams like a Navarre and like just stop staring like per week on these like fucking animals. Okay, so it never stops and ever. Stops the more roids, you take the more receptors you produce There's No Limit because of receptors. So that's a myth and it so just debunked the myth for that one. So everybody know that you take more roids, you make more receptors and your body handles them and then you can do other things too like taking growth hormone. For example also increases Androgen receptors even more. That's why you generally the more shit people take the bigger and more. They are because like everything is synergistic. So it really is like the more shit you take the more big you get because it all keeps it has all these mechanisms that keep building on each other, you know, like more hormones, you know more different types of hormones growth hormone steroids more Androgen receptors being produced from both chemicals. It's like an explosive chain reaction. And then the other one is he's talking about having more us. Estrogen and yeah, cuz so tremble own is going to make you like more sensitive to estrogen. It has an effect like that like we're like Deca does this to Decca makes you more effective more sensitive to the effects of female hormones. So when you're getting female hormones from taking high testosterone levels you get sensitized to it by by the tremble own or the DECA, so Having your prolactin low while you're taking the DECA is going to be the first thing because if you're like getting gyno or getting estrogen effects and you're on Trend ballon, if you try to combat them with normal stuff like Nova decks or eczema stain or Arimidex. It won't work it like won't do anything. You have to have cabergoline first to get your prolactin low. That's like the prerequisite where then those drugs can start working for guy. No issues when you're on Trend, then then the Nova decks and the Arimidex or eczema standard letters all can start working if guys are worried about like health and reacting bad on aromatase Inhibitors the best one to take his eczema stain or aromasin. It's the same thing just two names and that's because that one it's a prohormone to testosterone. That is like really has a lot of like attraction to the aromatase enzyme. So it's like more attractive than testosterone. It's a prohormone to testosterone that is more attractive to testosterone. Then that is more attractive to the aromatase and enzyme then testosterone is Wow, that was a tongue twister. So you're taking a natural like steroid hormone when you take eczema stain, I don't think it's quite natural but it's very it's very similar to the natural hormone. Okay, but then when you're taking something like a room ID X or letrozole, those are not hormones. Those are just synthetic man-made chemicals and they are not as healthy and they have, you know effects that show up in your blood work. From taking them but XMS din, not so much a little bit little bit cholesterol. Cholesterol is usually what's affected by the anti estrogens. So that's that's talking about that. For health eczema sting best anti estrogen and for guys that have a lot of aromatization. They create a lot of estrogen from testosterone and high testosterone dosages using lectures all as your primary AI is the best way to deal with that. If you would like your questions to be answered on the steroids podcast go to steroids podcast.com and leave a comment with your questions or email or private message steroids podcast at gmail.com or steroids podcast on Instagram until next time.

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Welcome to My Life sitting supplied episode 284 We are. Coming to the conclusion of the month of husband. We just blessed yesterday the month of kislev. So this week will be restrained this Crystal of coming Thursday. And it's also the week of Shabbos pastors tildes Shabbos will be tells but that's a week of parser tailed this. So as always we begin with something related to the time in which we are in and in the city supplied Spirit applying it to our lives using the most oft-repeated dick. Mission from the revenues from bringing Terror Malaysian hair at all Taylor comes from the word directive guidance instruction. Taylor being the blueprint for life life's Operators manual so it gives instructions instructions and guidance and directives of how to live our lives just like if you come home with a machine new piece of technology or any type of Appliance, you have an operator's manual that the engineers and the manufactures of that machine prepared to know how to use that machine to know what to do with it. And no one had to do with it how to keep it up in its finest standard highest. The same thing with life how to live life with what wait to live life in the best possible way and to avoid the negative that can be harmful and destructive or then they are dangerous. We have the Toyota and the tailor is loshon Hara all year round 24/7, but the specific times in the year when we are celebrating or recognizing our particular event. It was clear as Crystal of or the parsers are Cheveux the chapter in the week. We live with the times and we derived from Um that directives that are applied to our lives and hence the name applied to this just like the general organization meaningful life sent a meaningful life a life of meaning of perv of purpose of Direction based on the mission, which we each of us was charged with unique individually as well as our Collective charge our Collective calling of the entire human race just as means of introduction. So let's start with this crate exclusive since it comes first. so the state is like Rosh Hashanah the words race always means it's not just the beginning of the month at the head of the month means it encompasses in it is like the central nervous system that encompasses all the days of the month, which of course include the end of the month the holiday of Hanukkah holiday of Lights Illuminating the darkness and before that the citizen holidays going backwards you test Kissel of the gulaka gold on Rosh Hashanah, of course, it has a goal of the alter rebbe that became marked Rosh Hashanah the beginning Of a new phase in history of spreading the Wellsprings the inner wisdom of Toyota Hoots, ah to the outskirts to the farthest outskirts of the world before that. We have youth Kiss Live and for that test Kiss Live I should mention you download Kissel, which is the represent of versary the rabbit the rabbit since anniversary before that you would kiss live in task is live respectively the Cog oula of the Midler Rubber and the birthday and your site of the middle Arab and of course every day of the year month. as always special significance, but these are some of the highlights let's all encompassed in this Traders Crystal describe this case the four cities have banned in the day - we took on a special meaning in the year 1978 1978 right after the heart attack that the rubber hatch mean you had said, it's 1977 Thompson Lambert says so his haters kissel's when the rabbit went home and how logically and many other ways that's a significant date because it's like going out of the danger that he was in due to the heart attack and coming back to his full strength and not just full strength. We know after that that ever doubled and tripled his activities in his output. So this guy just kiss it was become since then a hog oula Hakeem simcha James Gula that didn't get together make for brains the rebel recognized it every year and we celebrated in that sense. What is this personal lesson? Taught us, of course many lessons, but it means that even when we go through a setback, whatever. Maybe there was always some some mystery Like You Lie, every concealment is in order to bring a greater Revelation. So describe this case of signifies getting out of a difficult situation and recognizing that it's all comes to bring even greater light and greater strength and more commitment. Each one of us has our own unique challenges and each one of us release of teaches us that lesson now, that's true. You can say about any holiday chronic included and after Darkness abroad light pesach after the bondage after slavery brought the Redemption but there's greatest concern because it's personal connection to the to our generation and personal connection to the web as the debit then said as he wrote to one of the siddha me wrote that to look into Zoey out and hug them of Isaiah and you see their interesting take because the custard wrote To The River Why do we have to go through this aggravation of the devil getting into such situation frightening us all and finally coming out of it and the rebels said to look there in the introduction to zero. Going into details talks about it up here who was up went up to heaven and they saw how he's revealing premium cetera and they said he belongs here. It doesn't belong on Earth and there was a request as be in a special request that should give him more time on this world to finish his job. Whatever refers to that Draya so you can say that option Lamas has that heart attack was in the way whenever there's something great being revealed. There's always a challenge or there's always a so-called catering sometimes Like the huge task is love itself out that was revealing see this. Why would that bother anyone but when you bring in big the stakes are high and you're bringing a new revelation that can change the world and bring the Shia. There's always going to be the forces that come and challenge it so in the weight of genomics has raised Christopher us is a challenge to the whole presentation the entire vision and Mission that the rabbit set his mind to which was beginning from Tufts renewed which is now 70 years when the lab assumed leadership. That's the data should be the seventh generation like moisture abandoned the Seventh Generation from avraham avinu to bring the skin below and bring the Gula the last generation of goal is the first generation of the goal and the stakes were high. the year tough shamans and a year before the heart attack that ever then began publishing the Hampshire cream base considered to be the ultimate ultimate magnum opus the ultimate revelation of Citizen our time and the rebbe said is connected to us Arcana to Danger so though we never heard directly from the ribbon but system connected it that perhaps this move Revelations the new way of approach of reaching Jews and non-jews all over the world right before tough shamim, which would be the 30th year of the Leadership came a certain concealment but that was overcome and it only taught us that we have the now double and triple our efforts and everything that we have today began with the outgrowth of the Great Eastern Airmen. Rho the great light that came out of that dark moment. So the state is Crystal captures more than just at the running out of a difficult situation and growing through it. But also specifically in the spreading of this and the level of the Seventh Generation level. Spreading of cities two ways that were unprecedented and reaching a little worried every corner of the world. So you consider this Crystal of actually gives us the power to actually do that because it was a Vindication. It was like an endorsement from Heaven that yes, there was the concealment for a while but now the doors are open the floodgates are open. Now, of course gimel Thomas has come since 25 years ago again a concealment and yet the lesson or is it system does not get erased God forbid on the contrary it gives us Hope and the strength and the fortitude that now to this can last concealment is in order to bring the ultimate Revelation which is mushiya which will be a permanent transformation of the world. And we're at the threshold as the debit tells us the rich guy just kiss live carries within it all this weight and all the significance and potency for us to tap into a day that that should give us strength and inspiration to achieve each one in our own way something beyond that we've done till now not just enough to do. As we've done but something Beyond just like the debit after refrigerators conserve and the years afterwards began to expand quantitatively and qualitatively his work. We by extension braid should was a good for us. Lll go for Buster - as I should say the body follows the reddish the head we to follow that instruction. So whenever there is somewhat of a setback or at least on a reveal distensible level seem, so it's order to only create and thrust us forward with even more unprecedented. In the foot so many subtle who taught and hopefully we can all do so in this year of tation ask for us to pay and produce and other acronyms that we hear about but no way that should finally break down all the boundaries and all the barriers and we should have the Gula all the pedestal for name which is paid it's from the pay and that for NASA to all the barriers should be broken down through the spreading of this and we should all take on new initiatives and new efforts each one. Of us is Ashley are in order to do so partial tell this is of course the Pasha of the birth of yaakov, invasive wooden bipasha the twin brothers that is these two forces these two voices the voice of each time you Shall Behold Him The Scholar the Torah and the voice of Ishmael, He decided the warrior within us. We all have the warrior within us. We all have the scholar within us. We all have this sincerity and innocent and simplicity. A beauty that comes from each Tom years of all we also have another side. That's the more Sly and shrewd Warrior that needs to survive in this world and they come they go to war with each other. That's the ancient Aviator as the two Souls altered ever talks about entangling the animal sound Divine soul. But both are Divine created both are children of you can Rifka let's not forget that and they're both these elements that are given equal powers and the goal is for them to ultimately find peace with each other not just one beats the other because Need both, but call of of rubbish nasara / have to such a miracle of you got a bottle of vodka with all your heart with the hardest two parts the left side of the heart. The rights are inhibition a etcetera both sides. And that is two words to this comes to teach us how even the never shall bomb is the animal Soul should enjoy Divine ideas Divine concept Divine perspectives and divine actions as well as well as feelings and that's oxidants explains it in a way that even the The animal Soul can enjoy it and appreciate it. And when that finally done then we have the ultimate Fusion of the two of you a cavernous of the story of the tail. The sacrifice of tails is of until this year. So these are the children of it's called and you took our shame means to laughs laughter goes on the floor after of the future. I'll Jamal the straight pin a because it will be the ultimate laughter the ultimate the ultimate joy and celebration when both dimensions the acrimonious of our transactions are joined. By its are being transformed which represents the transformation of all the material things in this world everything in this hostile warlike battle like world and they are all influenced by an inspired by the yaakov. That's within us and that ultimately brings as well as we into chapters from now that when iacovone s of meat and yeah, kinase obsessed yaakov, come join me. Let's live side by side when they reconcile. Jakob says not yet because that's their ever bring some see this from Tennessee territory this crime that yaakov thought it was already refined but then he realized he wasn't and he rather as if he wasn't he said this not only eat you go ahead. I will come slowly and Raschi asks, what is he lying again? No, because ultimately in the goal of rehearsal asham look as the end of the tale of a value that we say in that week's chapter that week Shabbos tells us the high. / I'm Luca that they will ultimately join. They will ultimately be peace between the Divine and existence between the Jewish. People in the nations of the world where everybody will be subsumed by Kamala is there is a sham come on Muhammad Hassan a world filled with Divine knowledge as the waters cover the sea and we are now the Threshold at the end of that process as we've been told and promised and made clear. So we have to do our part and finishing up the work of tilda's. Yeah. It's called a governess of and all nourish razors krislov spirit. So this is one among many lessons that we can learn applying them to our personal lives. And I want to also refer you to episodes 89 139 188 189 and 234. I know it can be a little Annoying all these cross-references, but I'm doing it for the record because it's important that they complement each other. Hopefully at some point we will be able to join them all together. We have all the pieces of my life of all these two hundred eighty four episodes in organized way. But meanwhile, there's cross-referencing is vital and that sense where you can have more information more. On these topics with that said let me make reference of course to some housekeeping which is that my life's it has applied this episode and all the episodes are stored in archive. That means to consider supply.com and new unique and exclusive website dedicated to Hasidic resources, but most importantly making them come alive and applying them in a relevant way to our personal emotional and psychological lives as well as the essays that have been written thousands of essays that have been written over the years. By people from all over the world and all walks of life in Appliance to this to a contemporary challenge as well as other archives and resources. They're on different Hasidic discourses. You'll also can submit which is of course the heart and soul of this entire program questions Anonymous totally anonymous questions, which thank you and thank God continue to come in trying to keep up but they're always ahead of me because more common than I can until then I can answer in one week, but they will I'll be addressed and we keep making strides in that direction. So don't don't please don't be perturbed. If your question was not yet answered. It will be answered in the order. It was received or when I organize them in a particular structure of themes. So with that let us continue on to one more Phi must make one announcement comic and Taylor the whole these programs are supported by Community Support, which is Your sponsorships your donations, so please be generous and make a nice done a generous donation at this. It has supplied sponsorship. You can sponsor one or many programs in the honor or memory of a loved one. Please use that opportunity besides honoring that person and also helps us continue and expand these programs. Okay being that also today's the kinases look started on shop is that everyone always say by the fabric started the construction of shrimp a looking from all over the World come together literally from every corner of the world. Which of course is the your foot sir - owl Hoots. I was referring to that literally as the debit rishab had predicted back in 1901 when he said this famous secret color yet summa cum is based off with some who stated that year. He spoke about that. There's the Shiva is going to produce students soldiers trained. To fight the battleground of assimilation to bring spiritual and Torah and Jewish assist inspiration to every corner of the world and there will be these Tommy them all over the world. And that's exactly what the king says solution represents that victory that fulfillment of the goals and the vision of the Rebel rishabh, of course the free the crab and the lever who expanded it in a completely new level. So this is the slow him who represent the tato sack spreading of terasaki this to every corner. The world preparing it for coming of Messiah who will come when your foot so many subtle hoods. So worthwhile making mention of it that the skin is taking place as we speak. And with that. Let me just add their two questions that came in that are related. So I'll address it. I've talked about Slickers many many times. It's a Cornerstone of the represent iron CSL leadership, of course boo built on the concept of Slickers starting from the first letters of all the slices that are shame sent. Every Soul to this Earth on a mission life is mission-based. Its Mission Centric driven by a purpose of calling a mission that we are each charged with the general mission that all of us is to make a deliberate attempt to take this material world and transform it into a beautiful and elegant home for the Divine. But each of us have our unique way of fulfilling that mission that mission actually begins at the lab explains in the sickest connected to kinder Sasha. Welcome back in Topsham involvement members Ian begins when the a burst of first a taints of that So called Osmos that emanated from Artemis I should say is the first layer click the outer Deborah says in the quantitative anything outside of octopus is already asleep because actually it means something that's being sent outside of the original source. So the concept are stickers is really all encompassing everything in existence has a Slickers has a mission as a purpose. But it's embodied them personified by the stream of the river. Who actually take their bodies and souls and 24/7 designated their lives wherever they may be this becomes their full-time practice acupuncture in that's their home and they built great beautiful community. So it's important to honor that but also take a lesson for each of us because each of us is Ashley ox and ass look on our own, right? So two questions that came in that why did the lab essential from all over the world is their job to provide for all Jews physically and spiritually so the answer to both questions. so the answer both questions in one that I've essential exactly as I said the ebus descents look him in the beginning he put man in Adam and Eve human being on this Earth lot of the lissandra to transform the world all their children their progeny that come from them continue this Mission till the day Michelle comes when the Fulfillment of the mission by the entire Collective human race, so you can say everybody's honest Littles why the lab essential him is because he's extending that type of slices to our generation which has Africa needs first of all the high rate of assimilation Jews being everywhere in the world many that knowing what it means to be Jewish simply lack of Education or other factors. So that's number one. Simply. We are responsible for each other. Number two is preparing the world for the Google that by reaching everyone Unity. Every person. We can reach number three is not just for Jews is also non Jews to reach every non-jew possible that have been made that very clear that I'm bomb to spread. The laws of nature had laws the laws of civilization. That is the foundation of the Cornerstone of any civilized unit and World Anew civilized community and Society. So is their job to provide for ol Drew's physically spiritually absolutely in every possible way. And as I said it even extends Beyond Jews it's to bring godliness to this world like of Rama V new broad godliness to everybody. And there's physical ways of doing it by helping people physically, whether it's with food whether it's through shelter, whether it's with other ways, and there's of course the spiritual needs which are equally if not even more important. So the answer is yes, and it is the final frontier even though as I mentioned Slickers exist when the beginning of time, but now it's in its broadest possible sense really across the globe. The Rebus us Leah plus 10 10 is the 10 faculties that obviously accuses actualize has his potential through the 10 faculty socially awkward 10 equals what mushiya? Shin dong Joon has landed with the man 10 ads makes it into mushy are socially or plus 10 equals. Mushiya because Ashley who fulfills the Divine directives and by using his faculties, that's what defines mushiya resulted a peasant Tanya that room has a Nova with the say no through our work and our efforts and our exertion our work on our labor in this world by transforming it. That's how we bring. The goal of Google is a direct outgrowth outgrowth or Aloof officially on the olive integral turns it into Gula Gala without a Fizz Gola like shell-shocked with A10 is mushiya more episodes where I discuss this topic are 139 and 141 89 and 234 among many many others, but those were designated dedicated to the issue to addressing the kidney specialist and kenosis recommended of explains kinwa socialism is bringing them all together into one Kinross and to one Unity One Gathering. And that demonstrates that through the harmony within diversity that the different cities and countries all represented, but they all come together under one a good actress even though the diversity but all comes together under one Mission under one Banner of the rubbish him. And on the one Banner of God's looking which is all connected and fulfilling the artists that needs to be achieved through bringing together every aspect of code, like a ferocity of a came up with some kind of an egg with east west north and south Same thing with method is similar Kano shamash Maestro some of the Kenosha market equities one has seven heavens and earth and a lot of the Dolls rookies Yama became it's a friend over nakba east west north and south all encompassed in that Oneness. Okay, and of course inspiration and applied forces of this is that we each in our own way have to reconnect and renew our contract and renew our obligations and doing our slices each and our particular corner of the world. Okay. Now, let's go to some questions. Why does some overdo it and add extreme titles to the rib? Every time so here's someone writes my hand versus yeah, every time I see a publication of the rubber surface and it's riddled with Muhammad and Selita. It irritates me in frustrates me. I get the feeling that it's way overdone. We all believe the rebels machine, but why the need to write mahom 10 times in one single publication? It also frustrates me. When I CZ are too many times in a publication, please. Can you enlighten me on this matter is the Yazoo City organelle in which the sentence? Just past that sadly was passed on. Well, I've talked about this in episodes to 18 and in 46 and 274. I'll say the following. I agree with you. I don't think titles have to be constantly be here again and again and again, you know, I use the word rabbit that might happen my dad but he was my dad because my dad but I don't like the word titles in their title one way or the other they tend to be confusing they tend to misleading even and they tend to create false false narratives. I'm not sure why everybody's so married to these titles. I can't explain it the rebel you see how he refers to the physical up and finally wrote what he wrote. But the type of obsession I don't understand that all to me the rebel lives on through each one of us through our work through his teachings and so on if that's correct. He's living on a you have to make a title and make a statement that he's doing that show be a living example is no better way to show that ebb is living example by you living up and being the arms and legs and mouthpiece and the extension of what the devil wants you to be in this world. So titles tend to become very much linked external things like primaries. Where they make bumper stickers and other stuff like that and I just I come you know, I don't know if I would say I'm very irritated. I'm just immune to it but frankly, I don't see the need for it. But some people seem to have a need a crutch for these things. I'm not going to justify because I don't see the need. I also don't see the basis for it. Like where do we get this from Taylor? No say, sometimes it says most should I be no stomp sometimes as motion. I've been all of our Shalom from of, you know, we don't always emphasize it that goes to show that doesn't mean it's it could say that times. But it's up session with it and the same thing the other way around to give titles as far as the number being mushy are since you mentioned already. We have a lock as I've said this many times. This is not based on whims and based on our own instincts additional education. This is how long has that determine? Who's Michelle? Who's not mushy are what stage of Michelle Angola now's not the place to go into it. I've talked about it many times. So it since the question has come up as many others do college. I addressed it even though I have addressed in the past, okay. question Not particular order just happens to come to the next and the next one order of questions. What happens to people after they die after they pass away. So the very broad question can mean many different things. I'm just going to just say few general principles. I will refer you to episode 176 where I explain. How do you explain to Children the concept of death, but if you really want to read about this more in detail in English in toward a meaningful life actually translated into 14 languages, but the original Toward a meaningful life. There's a chapter on death and grieving which sums up and encapsulate the deputies view on the matter. It's a very powerful chapter and a lot of people who going through unfortunately the loss or sitting shiva there but that chapter is very inspiring briefly. The key thing to remember here. The word death is a very frightening word and a very almost misleading word the soul never dies. The concept of death and mortality relates to the material world where everything a Rhodes deteriorates and perishes. But even in the material world, nothing really disappears. We know today you can make anything disappear you burn a piece of wood in the fireplace. It turns into energy and gas that doesn't disappear. It just dissipates perhaps and can be quite the identified and found somewhere, but the basic investment of the best examples very simple example, you take water a cup of water. You put it in a freezer it Nice heated it turns into gas and you can reverse the process many times. So you see the gas. You see the liquid you see the frozen ice. Which one is it today? We know it could be the same thing just different forms the same thing when we talk about life and death life takes on One shape when the soul is inside a body and then the Soul would this called patient sudha it removes its garment called the body and it takes on another shape, but the journey continues so it's critical to emphasize that death does not mean the end of something. It means this end of the cessation of one stage as moves on to another state and this is fundamental in Jewish thought especially considering that we know that the end of there will be tears. Hi Mason Resurrection, which today is also can be explained based on the model by the lava. God can create something from nothing for sure can create something from something something that was alive. Can we brought alive again today DNA and other examples show demonstrate as possible, but the point being is not so much to make it rational. But the point is that it's very Very understandable that things really don't die and yet there's pain because there's a disconnect because even if the soul moves to another dimension, it's not the dimension where in that's why we grieve and that's soul to does not have the opportunity to do Mitzvah set as it once did inside of a body so briefly where souls go to weird. What happens to people after they die the soul just as where they were before they were born. Where were they the soul returns and goes on his journey based, of course on a lot on what you did in this world. A soul can also return we're ready. Now the end of the process of souls no longer old return mushy it was going to come but through the history Souls return more than once because they didn't finish the job. So basically the souls on a journey and Life as We Know It biological life is one dimension of it and there many many other dimensions. That's the key thing to remember. I always give this analogy somewhat the humerus analogy, but it works were often at lack of loss of words when people say where did this all go to of my father my mother? You sitting with a shovel called Lele know and someone asked that question and after a while I came up with this analogy just seems to work think of a refrigerator imaginary dialogue between a refrigerator and electricity and the refrigerator says to the electricity. Where do you go to once they pulled the plug and what does that look true? Say restore electricity respond incredulously kind of what spurred you have. You asked me where I go. Where were you where you come from? You think you're the center of the universe you ask me where I go? You're a little box. They just invented a hundred 200 years ago. You figured out how to bottle me the energy energize the refrigerator and refrigerate food. I go back to my rational place that's not closed and not trapped in the parameters of your box. Beyond time and space as you know it I mean you think about exactly right? When we asked the question, where does this all go to? That's a suggesting we are at the center of the universe where we are where it's at with so go to maybe we're not where it's at. Maybe we're one little speck of a higher reality that precedes us and we'll also follow us after our stage and journey this leg of the journey in this world and that's what that's what the idea of death has to help us understand and think about the bigger picture in that sense more to be said on this I've talked about as I said, Pisode 176 but in other places as well because the same time we do grieve as I mentioned and but suffice it for now. Okay, next question again unrelated what defines a proper Aveda increase Christmas kilometer bedside smart that we say before we go to sleep. So here so you've heard many times Christian Muslim. It is a time to make a fresh banana fish has been said like an accountability end of the day you're countable to whom to the one they give you life. So just like if you're working for someone in business. You're accountable accountable can be daily. It could be weekly. It could be monthly annually, but daily as well. Give a report. What did you accomplish? What did you not accomplish what could be done better? So Christmas Lomita, which is before with the bedside smart, which means the prayer we say before bedtime is a beautiful time you finish the day's work, whatever it may have been and your now State giving it giving taking stock. You're auditing yourself and you're saying here's what happened in this day. So the prayer that The Mink of one of that prayer is the conclusion obviously in order to prepare for the next day and make even make it an even better day as I'm guessing prepara would say as the Morgans was enchanted with the high that tomorrow should be nicer than today but it begins with accountability accountability is one of the most powerful beautiful and Noble things a human being can have Even between people relationships as I mentioned many times. Our relationship trust is not built on Perfection. Nobody's Perfect. It's built on what an accountability. So you may make a mistake made of a setback you made a deliberate mistake, but you're accountable one of the worst things a lack of accountability because that's worse than the crime a crime is a crime a mistake is a mistake a transgression is a transgression, but then your account for it and you correct it. But if you deny it you lie about it then begins to grow think of it like a small infection begins to fester and it can become very destructive. So relationships are built on accountability and relationship with God has built an accountability and Was relationship with yourself when you're accountable to yourself. Have you betrayed yourself? Are you living up to your destiny to your calling? These are all part of the husband that a person makes the qivana of Christian Muslim it now, obviously there are many more details you person can the Plan customize it and tailor it to their own particular way of doing things and if you learn citizens will talk many different components that you have in the end of after might've true Messiah - and then comes Christmas Lomita. Some people say things hot sauce. At that time a period as well, but in general it's prepare. It's concluding the day and ditional point. It's also Bianca African rookie, but this ack LMS in your hands. I trust. My spirit like we say my Daniel Inferno comello cravaack. I'm shocked. That depends mostly become the rambabu. Nosaka in the morning. We say thank you for giving me my soul at the end of the day. We say I entrust but you're trying your hand. I trust my spirit and that's another is bananas does the end of sh'ma perform up hill where we when we say that in order to be able to acknowledge that we are soul is not ours. It's God's gift to us. It is the central force and the focal point of everything we do and think we're going to our restful sleep when we know that we don't go to sleep with a newspaper knows or doing some other things we go to sleep with that type of spiritual cognizance and awareness and we will come up with it. So this becomes Christmas stomach that becomes an integral component of a healthy life of an accountable life of a Sanctified life. of a directed and purposeful life and much more can be said but these are some of the thoughts I would also refer you to episode 18 through 22 58 and the episodes reference there where I talk in general about prayer as part of an ongoing prayer such a fundamental principle and element of cities. So I've talked about it many many times and I always will go back to it because we all can use more in understanding what some may call The Lost Art of Prayer of a molding of a - I believe so it filler is Vegetable of the work the service of the heart emotional intelligence is prayer. With that let us go to another series of questions, which I believe I've never addressed before. So this is in the new category and this actually has to do with something first I hesitated but then I decided to do something a little novel and these are questions about pregnancy and labor which of course men like myself do not go through even though we may have witnessed it but here the hear the questions are too in short. The questions are then I'll read them out of it. Are there specific methods to help ease labor pains another question why does pregnancy bringing a new life into this world need to be so difficult? Okay, see I'm going to read out the questions a little more detailed labor. Hi Rabbit Jacobson. Is there anything to this about how to have a common easy labor? I don't mean goalless. I mean hug him school this are I guess I'll go for the right word for school. It's like different acts you do that are say magical potions or something of that nature. I mean, I that person is not mean does not mean that I mean specific techniques along the lines of the modern day approaches. For example, amaz, Hypno birthing Etc. I want to have a natural non-medicated birth as I feel that it is important and I feel that some of the techniques used in these methods might be similar to his bonus. You're interested. This is one of his contemplation. But obviously would need to be specific for going through labor pains birthing children's practically the Cornerstone Foundation of our community Society Lifestyle the origin of everything. So how could this not be addressed looks its how could this is not have any support for its women giving birth. It would almost be like a banding women to face this most crucial essential Challenge on their own or using secular techniques. So excellent question and I am going to give a few pointers the answer then I'm going to be another question that's related to this and then I'll share with you what I did in order to get more clarity on the topic. So just briefly this is from a man's perspective. We'll hear soon from a woman's perspective as I'll miss share with so this does talk about it. The birthing of every child is actually compared to or the other way around the birthing of the Jewish people as they came out of MIT slime. The book of your testicle actually talks about the birth pangs talks about even the blood that comes from it took some very explicit terms the pain of birthing and all that comes through Labor and explains. See this does explain the concept of Labor goalless is compared to Eber to pregnancy and Google the to birth and the goal is difficult so much of Exodus is dedicated to this theme. It may not talk about it in the individual terms, but you can easily extrapolate it. It that whatever it says in the collective sense that whenever you need a birthing it always will be preceded by some type of challenge beforehand because you need something new to be birthed will soon talk about why there has to be that pain but the fact of the matter is that that is not very much work. So this talks about sources does address it but like always you have to know how to apply it to the personal as far as methods and techniques. I'll leave that few minutes for the before I get to that. Let me go to the second question. Nauseam pregnancy Through The Eyes Of course. It has the rabbi Jacobsen. Thank you for your wonderful and meaningful broadcasts. I look forward to tuning in each week. I have a question regarding pregnancy when he with many women experience sickness and nausea and their first trimester. I have a condition called hyper hyper emesis. Not sure if I'm pronouncing it correctly but hyperemesis which means that experiences throughout the nine months of pregnancy in an extreme way including sometimes having to go to the hospital. Ashley for the first few months due to dehydration and insufficient nourishment. Although I know pregnancy is a huge blessing and I'm very thankful to Hashem. I have heart I have a hard time both physically and emotionally dealing with feeling so sick. I feel bad for my other children who do not get my best care and I also and also have trouble dealing with the physical discomfort. My question is twofold. Is there anything that says about feeling nauseous during pregnancy? Is there a deeper significance? Could it be a good thing my second question? Is even those women who do not have such extreme morning sickness many nonetheless. Do not feel very good. Especially during their first trimester. Why would I send make it make it the time during which we are supposed to keep our pregnancies a secret be the time when we are feeling the most ill it makes it all the harder to feel so awful and not be able to confide another's how sick I am feeling in accordance with habad minhum. Is there any room to tell others about pregnancy earlier on thank you very much for your wonderful insights. So I'll tell you what I did to be very honest as a man as much as I can look into this and find answers that have his letters and so on and I will share what I do find I thought especially something so personal I should ask some women. So actually asked a few women in our team to respond to this and they did so I'm going to read a few responses and it has I think a much more heartfelt and much more credible Dimension to it and in truth, even though I don't always say this at the program any question that comes up that's outside of my own personal experience. I don't like just referring to books and academic level though that couldn't be helpful, but there's nothing like also including in it the dimension of personal experience, especially we talk It has supplied so it's really combining knowledge and information with experience when it comes to matters like this. I really felt more acutely that was necessary. So I'm just reading a few few comments see how much I can read here with the time limit the time we have. We are. Okay. Hi Rabbit, Jacobson. Just a few thoughts on the labor question. It is our custom that a husband is not so involved in the actual birthing process in a physical way, but necessarily but yes in a spiritual way saying to him etcetera from this I think we can conclude with what is missing if it is not ours husband who's physically involved in our labor. Then we need to find someone else to be so far. My births have been unmedicated and I found the technique of a do load to be amazing. If you were if you want to bring in the Rebus constant message of obvious. Yes, we want to bring in the numbers constant message of obviously so you can even call it the lava sea salt technique. I bring in an amazing lavash woman mother and experience the hula and it has been a wonderful experience for me by knowing that I have to rely on and lean on any anxiety is meeting is immediately abated and I have the confidence to face labor. I also want to add that I think it is. Okay if labor is not calm and peace. Peaceful. I see my husband that he has to he has to live with the curse perhaps you can call a challenge of Adam making a living and having the responsibility to provide for our family. He has to balance with the dominating and learning and many other responsibilities and it is not easy. But also see how it makes him a better person and a very strong person. So perhaps it is a curse, but I think good comes out of it so labor. I think it is. Alright, if it is if it is not peaceful in common. Perfect. We are given this by Cava and it may be called a This but I think we can call it a challenge and even opportunity and I would actually say this is my addition. The word curses very distorting will not use curses cause and effect which I'll talk about perhaps shortly we can use the opportunity to tap deep into ourselves and find our hidden strengths. The rabbit teaches us about crushing The Olive in order to get the oil and have a flame without the crushing there can be no flame. So the experience of Labor can be empowering and although it is not necessary the not necessarily easier calm it can bring out. Strings that we never knew existed and I think this is an amazing way to start out meeting and parenting a child. We have tackled the labor now we can move on and tackle the even more difficulty of raising and rearing of this precious Soul. I'm not sure if this is helpful, but these are just some of my thoughts all the best another woman writes in response to my presenting them this questions. I have not seen learn anything specific like instructions and text perhaps once part of Torah shebar, / but learning students over the years has undoubtedly, Transform my pregnancy birth experiences. Maybe we need a course on this share my own personal experience perspective. Obviously growing a human being is making a Space inside of yourself the kind of symptom. It directs expression of being created that selam aleykum in the Divine image. We are emulating God in this act. It is uncomfortable to be pregnant because in giving life nourishment to another being our physical physicality diminishes, but our capacity to love expands. In this process we limited physical beings transcend nature. The body resists on some level here, but are Limitless giving soul is expressed. The body becomes a holy vessel a Giver of Life the more we are able to get out of the way quote unquote mostly and let go of resistance to physical discomfort even welcoming as a part of the process the less of the suffering less and the less the suffering around it. There is a sensitive balance between being attuned and responsive to own your own inner process Cravings emotions physical needs and making space for the human being inside. Again. The Paradox is Godlike during birth surrender and letting go of control is essential getting out of the way trusting the body trust in God a kind of softness or psycho emotional level and I'm gonna kind of softness on psycho-emotional level. It's no longer an idea. Of trust or thinking about it. It's a visceral experience of trust. During most painful moments letting go of resistance to pain as something bad or wrong. This would be like accepting God's will without trying to wrap their mind around it when able to accept all parts of pregnancy and birth as a whole a feeling of trust and surrender. There is an expansiveness that happens inside a feeling of living life in the fullest way of being big enough quote-unquote to accept life in all its colors. It's also a feeling of great connection and empathy for all of life and Is the feeling of the Soul expressed in the body? So another woman in our team responded to that says wow, I envy your pregnancies and births. I am so not on that spiritual level. Maybe it's time to have a female guest speaker on this topic. I'm with the questioners wondering why we are still suffering for Carver's mistake and why God couldn't figure out a smoother cleaner less painful approach to birth and why mothers aren't celebrated more. They more after they give birth. There should be some kind of ritual to celebrate the mom other than the usual late night parties of feeding and rocking the baby all in all I think it's more along the lines of many of the greatest blessings in our life. They come through Work in pain and selflessness and commitment the process continues with raising our children Etc is the greatest gift but often the hardest moments and I think many women struggle with pregnancies when they have other kids because they feel guilty that they are on their best selves for the rest of the family. I think for that. The response would be that living by example on doing what's right and showing your family to sacrifice your giving in order to bring another Jewish life into this world is in fact giving your family exactly what it needs as for. Keeping it a secret. I said I sincerely don't believe that the rubber meant that it needs to be top secret. Hush-hush. FBI material the way I always saw it was meant that way in a way that we don't blast the news make baby announcements and parties Etc until the baby is fully viable to protect us the moms to give us some privacy with our closest inner-circle with this special moment and to make sure all this is all is well before announcing it to the world if a person needs wants to tell a confident Unfriend by all means if it helps them emotionally or physically I have friends who are on bed rest from early on and everyone just understands the reason but again, no need to discuss and yenta and blast the news everyone quietly just supports and helps out. I think that was the point that's a selection of some of the responses. I really really would invite them would like to hear from other women and mothers what they would feel on these topics because as I said is our full different kind of credibility that we all can learn from people gone through it. I would just add one more thing to to the point. I made earlier. This is from consider. This is not from personal experience obviously, but personal experience perhaps in other ways. It's exactly what it says with one of the women wrote here pregnancy is painful because the beginning of creating something new the question is, why does something new have to be painful that have not eaten from the Tree of knowledge and Autumn not treating from the Tree of knowledge. We would not Of birth pains will not have pregnancy discomfort and when would not have to toil at the sweat of his brow. So the question is what is hates that that's have to do with these pains. What is this some punishment? You can't say that because God doesn't just punish randomly its cause and effect you have to understand the eating of the tree from the Tree of knowledge was not a small matter. It wasn't just a test. The tree think of the name of the tree the tree of knowledge of Good and Evil to know good and evil. God said to Adam and Eve. I'm putting you into a world with his potential good and evil, but it's up to you to always choose good know. There's evil me knowing your mind but don't taste it. Don't access it little children can be taught this things that are no good, but it's in their mind. They never tasted it one of the reasons that many people they They think you know what since I know it's not so good. Let me taste it. What's the big thing? Once you taste it, you lose your innocence. You're no longer the same person eights Hadassah. It's not it's a hormone that it Sabina Hulk mabini. Our cerebral harm is a concept being his understanding that is an intimate connection. You've now tasted it you've crossed the line. So I shan't was saying to Adam and Eve. I am giving you viscerally everything you need to do the job in this world the of the last summer to serve and to protect turn the entire world into a guard live up to the Garden of Eden. What's the magana critical with nany the ghani the guney? Like see Bella ghani like the beginning of bustling ghani has the ecos skin of autonomous the place where the main screen is. I'm with you you have in your gut you sense the Divine that's why they were naked and they didn't sense it like newborn children innocent sexuality is part of the Divine divine plan. But Divine Design considered to be actually the most Divine thing in existence. That's why gives birth. But once they taste it from the Tree of knowledge through the Curiosity do their Temptation the story of the serpent. I'm going to go through all the details. They now lost touch they became a duality. I'm I have my agenda and God has his agenda and the rest of life is trying to align the to the seamlessness would have been there. That's why Adam wouldn't have to work. Physical labor God would provide because the world would be aligned since you're aligned with my purpose the world will prepare will give you the pronoun. So you need I'll make sure that you have everything all the food and all the all the nourishment and sustenance you need the same thing with a woman you will not have to struggle give birth because you're all aligned to the Divine. But once you don't get a line birth is a Divine gift in a world that's not aligned to the Divine it cannot come easy. It comes with pain. So the pain is an outgrowth of The Duality of a separate Consciousness that was born in the psyche of the human being the moment. They eat from the Tree of knowledge. That's why of Shem later says God says to Adam and he hides in Grenada nyukka. Where are you? What he didn't know where he was says the alter rebbe explains to the minister when he was in prison now that I've explained yet has Eternal question to each one of us. I don't recognize you. You can sit there. So and say where are you you see their body. They're spaced out. Their spirit is not aligned with you. I don't feel you're with me. Your Divine image that I created you in is now concealed which is one of the explanations why animals will never attack a human being it says because they're respect the Divine image. So why do we see an animal can attack the human because they don't see the Divine image that meal in the den of lions then was divine so the lines left them alone. So another personality has emerged your own personal your own ego. That's why they covered themselves which was sensitive, but it's now an A world that has to align itself. So the pains are pregnancy and birth think which are the greatest gift in life do not come easy. Just like the Pains of the birthing of the goal that do not come easy. The birthing of its estimates time comes with the pain of Goldsmith's lamps serious pain, The pain of the goal of the Aguila the birth of the ghoul immediate rush limit comes after the pain of Godless. And the rest I leave to the experience that have spoken about their experience and I hope some of you will weigh in as well. Okay, let's move to the next question. Why is the height of semen the rebel rishabh revealed that the alternative is an air at me means an essential core energy meaning not by not defined by expression and by any Revelations. Therefore he did not show Miracles Miracles is a sign of expression are asked me is we as his real because he's real doesn't have to show Miracles. So then is it misguided as the rubber for Barajas for the first pan us Etc. Thanks, mate. Now that's me means as the rabbits in and out the debits and told one of the cinema said where the Miracles he hears only added Emirates yourself as Miracles are so common the rolling around under the bench and nobody bothers to pick them up. That doesn't mean they can't be Miracle means we don't Miracles Gilliam Miracles could say Nia's can God do a miracle. Of course, you can do a miracle can decide if we want to do a miracle, but that's not the leadership of a real ask me and ask me is msc's our divine expression of the Divine in this world of the Divine approval of couse a Godly person. That doesn't mean he can do it means he's not defined by doing it and we're not impressed because he did a miracle. The fact that we go to our ever for Brokers for the force of first of all out there, but actually initially said, why coming to me for gosh, please come to me for a rookies, but at the end of the day I'd ever he could knowledge and accepted and that IBM did except Brokers for gosh means including sometimes we ask that they did that they helped us with the miracle, but that's not because they're defined by it. That's because they have the power and why not for personal God forbids the hospital one of those lines you can have a Reb intervene and pray. And actually for needs a miracle, that would be a miracle if it could be done naturally even better. So I'm not sure what the contradiction is though. It could be an air. That's me. You still go to this are rats me to help you out in life. Whatever is possible, even though you're not defined by the miracle. And even if the miracle doesn't happen as the famous story was Reb shmuel karate the miracle was I remained the cost of even though it didn't work out the way I wanted. Okay. Now let's do a few follow-ups. And then this question and we'll follow up. The first follow-up was about impeachment. Well a bunch of can't tell you how many comments came in about that became very political. I might attempt was to be non-political at all just to learn how to talk about these lessons. So I'll just read a few select based again on the limited time. All I can say is wow, right one, right one person while many politicians in this country are involved in Corrupt Practices on both sides of the aisle that evidence The president has done and he's done many things that ought to get him booted from office, but I'm specifically referring to the current impeachment charges is overwhelming. I don't like Pelosi. I did not vote for Hillary, but I believe it is objectively clear to any honest person that Trump has violated the Constitution and should be removed from office for that reason in the future Rabbi Jacobsen. Robbie Jacobson. It should be who've you not to discuss politics. You say you're not picking sides, but then you do rather disingenuous if you ask me. Another person cop responded to that and said, um you say in the future ever Jacobson if you ask me. I would suggest you don't discuss politics. Another person says, well, he didn't ask you. Okay, appreciate that. Another person comes completely from the other perspective. Mr. All I can say is wow. What are you worrying about against the president? Like Trump has been more pro-jewish than any other president in American history. I wonder where your when Hillary erased hundreds of emails and was corrupt as could be it was Biden who is who had his son take bribes and it was the Democrats who gave a hundred and fifty billion dollars tiran looking the other way as they built nukes to kill six million Israeli Jews in nine months nine minutes, you're either a troll or self-hating Jew. With your comments a Jew votes against Trump is not a Jew. Okay. I read that even though I don't agree with that harshness. How did he violate the constitution you'd be drinking? You've been drinking the shift Kool-Aid my friend named one thing he did to violate the constitution aside from garbage made up by shift and another person writes. Wow, indeed. Your comments is exactly what we are also turned off by your disdain and contempt of trumped so blind you objectivity that anyone who doesn't feel like you is labeled political and pro-trump if you would only listen to The rabbit Jacobson's coherent and balanced approach without any preconceived notions. You would learn much. Anyway, others continue to write the reason I read it which is really against my character. I did not want to get into politics is exactly the point. It's lessons lessons to be learned from something but this is exactly what I spoke about was why do we have to get down to the mud to take sides here? What I do learn another lesson, I would learn from this impeachment is this that what hatred can do it can completely blind you and this can be applied to many areas in life. You get to the point you completely convinced of something because you don't like something you're convinced that you're right. It's another lesson we can learn from these impeachment hearings addition. I would say one more thing that someone actually did write another lesson impeachment the concept of impeachment the Constitution regardless, whether who's right or wrong is a concept that of checks and balances. There's no one with absolute power. Everybody is accountable. This is not necessary applying what they want is guilty or not. But the idea is checks and balances when done right with the good intentions so enough on this topic fine next topic follow up. These are all follow-ups. Well, we spoke about making a blessing on the king whether the president has the Lord in of a king as always. I don't come here to Pastor Silas. I just quoted some sources. So someone wrote when Obama motorcade came through Crown Heights. This question came up and everyone's whether he would make blessing should be made. They said no asked Allah can bring her son and regarding a king. I thought it was an interesting question actually. Another person writes there are other opinions about this matter now, I did called Rebecca's body asaph and some say there are other opinions that hold it you should make it. So let me just say this as I said, I'm not coming here to pass. Can I call it sources and everybody should follow up so I cover real love. If you have a source, please share it I have not seen the stores besides up Avengers, which I think is but not with not with shame and mouthfuls for the reasons. I should last program, but if somebody has a source by all And please share it with me. I remember if a president does have it in milk means all presidents not just Trump then would be Obama and every one of the forty five presidents because they all have the same position of power whether you like them. You don't like them just like a real mellor where everyone agrees you make a broker. Even if Rosa Rosa you made the Blessed. Another thing to point out is also the mr. Tilley straddle to make an effort to find such a person. So if someone is actually did melatonin just wait we have to find that person and we did not see the red but do that. The president's and then of his lifetime that ever did not go and pursue to find them to make a block or to see them Additionally the fleet incredible saw President Hoover when he was here in the United States in 1930. I believe it was you dollar Thomas when he went to see Hoover in Washington now, it doesn't say whether he made her he didn't make but if he had made probably would have been written but again not saying it doesn't mean saw just mentioning that so again, this is not a conclusive how long could show This is bring the topics to the table. It's relevant because there are people who will see Trump should an effort be made to go see a president any president. That would be across the board and we don't see their you smell really did that does that mean it's bound within the mitzvot making a blessing. It seems somewhat connected if he's a didn't Alex and then you have two things to make an effort to see him and and make a blessing. Maybe some hold that if you see me make a blessing not shame ox, and I'm sure there's really opinions but I think the consensus is not to do it. This is not taking away from the power of the president does not take way of honoring him, but it's about understanding what really the dinners regarding what a melek really actually is okay. There's more follow-up, but I'm going to skip the other follow-up. I'll do that next program because of time limitations. So let me jump straight to the see this question. It's actually a question about a minor of very powerful beautiful Miami that Delta Debbie said connection to partial evaluator has really two weeks ago. I was going to do a last week but time ran out. So I'll do it. Now. It's a beautiful name is called the Isha. Aha since they have Theta of passers-by era yesterday. We were at high started. So instead of last week's Shabbos and the story is About a woman from banana veeam. You shaka's he socks me in the shaping of him Sokka elodie, she came to Alicia crying that her husband died and debtors are coming to collect. They want to take away the two children as servants and the story continues. What are these should that tells her to do so, I'll turn it has a very powerful minor. Which I believe is printed. Yes. It's pretty my mother Admiral zahrk Mac sodium page 136. It was printed a mesh out in one version of it, which is a safe that's around for a while and look at this. It has Volume 5 page 334 the double-sided and explained it and then there's a minor from Tufts remember of that now Moog actually edited by the river called the chakras was half husband option member of so there are so it's really addressing the fundamental issue because the person is a positive vibe here. Pirates and Pastor by 18 public a demon actually begins an introduction at the websites and look with the scissors that everything in Taylor's head off. So a story like this what's irrelevant us what happened with this woman and what I've Alicia told her that it's about our lives. It's talking about a person on the summit crying out. Due to the fact that it's feeling numb. And that's it's relevant. So the question that was asked to me. There's A Beautiful Mind around the issue occurs that discusses how to deal with spiritual and emotional numbness. I'd love to hear your take on it. So I'll put it in words that I think are very palatable and very practical but it's directly from the moment. So let's first interpret without the devil says briefly. I'm not going to go through the whole idea. Chris Hill has all our dishes on their resources out there that was actually short but the member of the debit elaborates on it and brings from Nob Hill as well. So so again, the story is a woman lost her husband. She comes crying to Alicia her husband died. You know that he was after he was a servant of yours and he feared God and our nature the better. The Creditor I should say the creditor who I have a debt to has come to take my two children from self as slaves a servant Alicia continues. What should I do for you? He said tell me what you have in your house. I'm translating it's because just from the Hebrew. She says your maidservant has nothing at the house except a jug of oil. Association so this hotel's Ribeiro vessels for yourself from outside from all your neighbors. Do not borrow only a few empty vessels. Mean borrow much and you should come close the door about yourself and about your sons and you shall pour upon all these vessels and the full moon you shall carry away. And she did that and all the vessels filled with oil until as much as she needed. That's the gist of it says the altar Deb. The ishak has goes on at a national consensus roll. Some is a singular. Neshama connected Oneness with God. Explains what banana VM is because it comes from that second. Hey the source and so on but I'm lying to Soul powerful Divine Soul comes crying to Alicia Alicia representing an anova vashem Ali Shah Kaylee Shaw. So the asking for how you sure something happened. My husband which refers to the other Veera. In the neshamah has died. I don't feel I feel numb. I don't feel emotional passion and connection to the Divine furthermore. The age of heart of the nefesh Obamas, which is the Creditor. Is coming now and not is vulnerable state and wants to take away the children. That even that which Still Remains with me my thoughts my speech and action he wants to not just he wants to silence it. He wants to take it away for to be his hostages to be used for the nefesh Obamas for the animal Soul. So I'm really desperate. Says Alicia, what do you have? Tell me what you have left? She has nothing. She says there's no Gillian. There's nothing left. But I do have a jug of oil. That's the hawk Michelle been a fish. There's a Divine spark that never burns out no matter what even if you don't have even if you don't feel it, even if you're numb it always remains alive. So Alicia says, that's the case. Here's what you do. Take Calum raking empty. Kala means you don't have any other vir, they're empty. But continue to do Terror mistress, even if they're emptying. They don't feel love and passion. Just do it even mechanically as much as you can. And that jug that spark that Still Remains alive is going to be come alive and fill all your drugs and your mistress with oil with connection to Hashem. So don't give up just because you don't feel anything that ever says there's a second interpretation came to take him out time eating means that Kayla male can contemplate and the fact that you're a clade a confit that you're empty. So though it's not a positive thing. But contemplating will cause you to feel a pain that will elicit deeper strengths. And those deeper strengths will reignite using that us examine that jug of oil that spark and reignite the connection. That's the short of it what the lesson is. We all have times we feel numbness will we feel apathy when we feel that we don't feel alive in the Divine Way. So never give up do actions even behavioral things will ultimately lead actions will lead your mind and heart to file your investment. Will lead other things to come into it, even though you're doing it right now just mechanically the second thing think about your emptiness think how void you are think how much you feel you're missing and that itself can elicit deeper strengths. So I think it's very practical lessons and looks it has applied that each of us can apply each and our own particular level. Of course. It's a tremendous learning from the bus from the alte debe, especially as explained by the rebbe in the my movie chakras talks remember Okay with that, let's go straight to the three essays. So see what number one is rx that hi. I'm Michael determine age 48 Atlanta, Georgia P EMA emergency medicine physician So he writes the following, you know before whom you stand and who awaits you with open arms. Have you not heard? We were not told from the very beginning. It's of course a positive. No, I was not told from the very beginning that I Shem runs the world. I was a bore and the not understand I grew up in the suburbs disconnected from religion and dismissive of religious life my entire life. I has chewed any semblance of a religious lifestyle. I was oblivious to the great Mayan awesome Hashem. It goes on to speak about his personal life as an American physician with a business background and Taro was absent from the Wharton curriculum where I grew up talks about his own and then talks about his journey how he slowly found a chamois found totally found mistress and essentially teaches us how we can learn from his experience. Each of us can also go through and he learned about and goes deeper and even using his medicine the anatomy of a Jewish soul to understand that Anatomy of the Jewish Soul the power of action the power of speech the power of thought among Java really very engaging sa very personal and good powerful conclusions. So thank you for that. Next essay controlling your anger. So it doesn't control your high because it doesn't control you hiya cats. 28 years old st. Paul, Minnesota a teacher Well, like the name implies the title control yourself from overreaching to lives everyday pressures easier said than done. How can you help tame these intense emotions when you have all these pressure discs, it has have practical guidelines for us to maintain control and high-intensity situations Psychology today offers a full range of solutions to help deal with anger management problems. And I'm going to I will contrast the modern approaches with the Hasidic approach. I'll also emphasize oxidants offers a more deep and profound. In a transformation to help deal with this problems, which causes the pet method PT perspective extreme time changing your perspective. With a meditation time to contemplate and the middle one. Skip the middle of the opposite extreme right extreme. Okay yet another very good essay essay with good final conclusions. Thank you for that as well. And finally essay number 3 and Hebrew is kinemacolor my Scimitar Richard Webber practical education according to the tale of the rabbit the with the teachings of the rabbit. And again, the title tells it all and goes on to explain through Hanukkah and through others examples what lessons in educational methodology. working with pleasure working with the inner dimensions of pleasure making it pleasurable making it fun and That education shouldn't just be an obligation to be something that really connects the person to higher levels, even though there are the arse of hard work involved in it and ultimately to put in creates a level Salem are low and independent individual who can stand on his or her own feet. So long essay, but again well worth reading. It looks like coming from an educator and this was written by Aaron Schwartz of cute Malaki Israel. All these essays can be found at City supply.com. They propose them as they As I read them each week. I will Morris is going down the list of the last year's 2019 winning essays all essays and With that we conclude this episode my life's it has applied episode 284. It's always an honor and a pleasure to be a very limited can sympathetic and liquor Illuminating create excuses excuses. We're here every Sunday 8:00 to 9:00 p.m. Everyone be blessed and everyone be well, and it's haters of guba and creators of light. We should be there even before that to the glulam. It is virtually. No. Thank you.

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This podcast is brought to you and made possible by generous financial aid from Peter kanzler K. Ay n z l-- e-- r-- you can buy his Amazon books at your favorite Amazon Branch, for example, the original texts of lock Hobbs and the US Constitution of Pennsylvania put together into one book for only $15. Thanks for listening. Okay. So today we're going to talk about openness now you might say in some sense that openness is the last discovered that the big five traits and it's also the one I would say that comes up most weekly in the factor analysis. When hands sizing formulated his trait representation, which was extraversion neuroticism and psychoticism. he he felt that he encapsulated all of the fundamental variation in human personality and knit and he was loath to include intelligence as a personality trait. Now the relationship between psychoticism and openness is rather complex. Isaac basically felt that people could be extroverted and that would be the positive Dimension. It could be, you know high in negative emotion. I'd be the negative emotion Dimension and that they also could have a predisposition to psychosis and I guess that would be he was thinking about the brain systems that underlie schizophrenia and that that tendency to to dissociate and develop hallucinations. But also maybe the system in human beings that Are affected by hallucinogenic drugs, which seemed to affect human beings differently than they have Fair other creatures. So but I think psychoticism eventually was broken down into low agreeableness and low conscientiousness. It didn't predict the predisposition to psychosis at all and later factor analysis found that you could load out. Intelligence and creativity as a personality Dimension separately now it's a bit tricky because you have IQ measures and IQ measures are much more direct measures of intelligence than the personality measures. I mean the personality measure is something like Do you think you're smart? You know, I mean, I'm being a bit flip about that because it's more sophisticated than that. But when you talk about someone as a smart person, you're generally referring to the trait that we would describe as openness. You also are doing that when you refer to the To creativity as a predisposition and you can measure the smart part a lot better with IQ. And IQ is also a pretty good predictor of creativity. So Well, so, let's see how they're Associated. So he remember that. You have your big two traits stability and plasticity and stability breaks down into conscientiousness emotional stability and agreeableness. And then you can see how each of the aspects are correlated how highly they are correlated so industriousness and orderliness at about point for volatility and withdrawal and emotional stability or neuroticism actually about 0.6 and agreeableness and politeness at about point 4, and then the next trait Is extraversion and openness that makes plasticity? And people who are high in plasticity tend to be good entrepreneurs, by the way. and extraversion rates into sort of this and enthusiasm correlated at about 0.5 and then openness and intelligence and the correlation there is lower its .35 the average correlation between the big five as Point 2 and the correlation between the big to is about point two and so you have to remember you might ask yourself well, Is it correlation of point for twice as large as a correlation of point to announce about is no because you have to square them to compare them arithmetic lie. So of correlation of point to gives you .04 4% squared, right and of correlation point for gives you 16 percent squared, so there's actually a difference of factor of 4, and so you need to remember that when you're considering effect sizes so that you can understand Exactly what they mean now, you know, if your accounting for 16 percent of the variance, which would be a correlation of point for then that leaves 84% left unexplained. But that's a bit of a overstatement most of the time in Psychology because our measures are relative are rather imperfect and so For example, if you give someone a personality test and let's say that the validity of their self report is about 0.6 0.7 which is probably what it is. Maybe might be a little bit higher than that. So that's that means that their self-reported is only picking up fifty percent of the variation in their personality and if you pick up, you know, if if your are if an are derived from that measure accounts for 16% of the variance in some It's twice as powerful as it appears to be because the measure is so error Rhythm and the lot of the things that we measure in Psychology are error written and what that means is that the correlations are generally what it means. Although not invariably isn't the correlations are bigger than they look in any case the correlations that come up in personality research are certainly big enough to be meaningful and I would say meaningful in terms of predicting major life outcomes and predicting important economic outcomes, and that's Sort of thing. So all right, so One of the things you might ask yourself is exactly what does intelligence measure. So we'll start with intelligence from from the and that would be equivalent to intellect roughly speaking. So intellect in the big five the aspect seems to be associated with interest in ideas. Whereas the openness proper aspect seems to be associated with aesthetic Sensibility. And creativity that's the best way to think about it as far as we've been able to figure out and the biggest relationship is between into the intellect and intelligence as measured psychometrically now intelligence is an interesting concept. It's very controversial in fact, if you One of the things that continually happens over and over again in Psychology is that psychologists discover all sorts of new kinds of intelligence and you know the biggest to proponents of that sort of thing. I suppose. We're Bob Sternberg who came up with this thingy called practical intelligence and then Howard Gardner who came up with the theory of multiple intelligences, which had a very large effect on educational psychology when the theory was first proposed and that's not saying much because generally speaking it's very difficult to find A discipline that's more susceptible to Fabs than educational psychology. And as far as I can tell generally speaking each vat is worse than the previous one. So no Gardener posited that I think there were seven. Oh there they are seven or eight different intelligences linguistic musical logical-mathematical spatial body, kinesthetic intrapersonal and interpersonal and people talk about emotional intelligence and they talk about About practical intelligence. And as far as I'm concerned, all of that is complete rubbish and there's technical reasons for that. I mean there's Technical and philosophical reasons for that. The first thing is you can't just mess up a work, you know, the whole point of having a word is so that it defines some things that describes some things and doesn't describe other things, right and so you can you can make the word intelligence account for whatever you want so you can say that the ability to dances form of intelligence But the problem with that is you blur out the word so badly, you can't tell what it means anymore. And so and I would also point out we had perfectly good words for those major intelligence as we called them talents. And so it's perfectly reasonable to make a distinction between that talent and intelligence. Now, you might say well how the hell do you know the difference like if things look similar to some degree then how do you know if they're the same or different? Well, that's exactly what you do when you do the construct validity process. So let's say You rated a number of people on their dancing ability and then you rated the number of people on their ability to multiply two digit two two-digit numbers in their head and quickly. Well, then you see technically if both of those were intelligences, then the people who could dance Better Could multiply two digit numbers faster in their head and that they would be slightly positively. Sorry. See, that's what happens when I go to have any Diet Coke. So anyways, if intelligence was the right word to subsume both of those then what you see is that would be a high correlation of people who were good. Dancers would also be the ones who could multiply most rapidly and I mean multiply in their head. But that but you're not going to be able to extract out a single Factor like that. It's just not it's just not the case that those things associate like that. So for something to be one phenomena. the things that it Obviously, I've talked too much this semester. All the things that are subsumed under that definition have to be correlated and highly correlated because otherwise they're not the same thing. It's the definition of the same thing now argue is a very peculiar. construct A very unique construct from a psychological perspective, but also more generally from a social science perspective because IQ has the most predictive validity of anything ever discovered in the social sciences period now, another thing that is interesting about IQ, is that a lot of the people who are interested early in the measurement of intelligence. Were engineers turned psychologists and the engineers have actually had quite a whopping effect on psychology part of the reason that psychology has an advanced methodology and advanced statistical techniques is because we got invaded by engineers in the early part of the 20th century. And so the engineers made our measurements much more rigorous than they would have otherwise been and it's been a huge Advantage. I mean one of the things that's happening to psychology. Is that starting to eat other disciplines, so it's hot Massive effect on economics and it's going to have a massive effect on political science. And the reason for that is because we know how to measure things and it actually turns out to matter that you know how to measure things. Obviously. I mean if you're going to be talking about something that's specific and well-defined. First of all, if you can't make it specific and well-defined All you can really do is argue about it. And you know, there are better and worse arguments, but the problem is is that just because an argument is good doesn't mean it's right and that's a big problem. So also something to remember when you're arguing about people that you have a relationship with because you know, if you happen to be better at structuring your arguments and you're more verbally fluent and perhaps more assertive that may be less agreeable. You're going to win the argument. But that doesn't mean you're right. It's unfortunately it's not that simple and so as far as I can tell the empirical process is the only way of getting rid of the is restricting or eliminating that catastrophically detrimental effects pure Theory. now and well and our measurement techniques have been pretty good about that. Okay. So now what happens with IQ here I can Define IQ for you. Just so you know what it is. So imagine that you had a library of questions So here's some questions, so there's millions of questions in this data Bank. What's 2 times 68? What's the capital of Georgia What's the definition of hyper tricks? Anemia? What comes after in this sequence 2 4 8 16 Remember these numbers so I tell you the numbers and then you'd have to tell me them back to four. One three five seven six 12 15 14 18 20 22 and then I might ask you in fact remember the backwards and that's a working memory task. So, okay. So those are all questions that require they require abstraction and mental operations. That's that's the key as far as I can tell so you might say well exactly what constitutes an abstraction and it looks to me like what an abstraction is. There's the capacity to formulate an abstraction. There's a Ask you to manipulate them to formulate an abstraction. I think what you do is you take a phenomena and you represent it with something. That's low resolution. That's more or less. What an abstraction is. So for example, if I imagine this classroom later, my my imagined representation is going to be a much lower resolution than the actual classroom, but it's sufficient for certain purposes. Just like a thumbnail on a computer is sufficient for sir. certain purposes and then once I simplify the the phenomena in question, then I can also perform certain operations on it's a in imagination or semantically and the capacity to generate that abstraction and the trends and me the ability to manipulate those seems to be the core element of intelligence and I think part of the reason why intelligence roughly speaking is a human Dimension, although you know, obviously Can you can you can to some degree rank order animals in terms of their capacity to learn but there's this whopping differentiation between human beings and animals in this area particularly is because we can use abstractions. Now. I heard a woman named Temple Grandin speak Watson is very interesting talk. She's very autistic and but very very very brilliant, which is not very common for people who are artistic because usually it's associated. It with a substantial amount of intellectual impairment, but she also had an extraordinary devoted parent who spent almost all her time trying to pull her daughter out of her autistic isolation. Now Grandin has gone on to become a University of Chicago professor and she works in the in the agricultural area and she has redesigned the shoots the walkways basically that take cattle to the slaughterhouse and she's done that to make them. Less much less stressful for the animals and part of the reason that she can do that as far as she's concerned is because she thinks like an animal and what that means as far as she can tell is that she cannot generate an abstraction not easily now she can speak so obviously she learned to do it to some degree, but she talked more about inner talk more about deficits in imagination or concretization of imagination. So one of the weird things that you see with autistic kids not frequently, but now and then and there's actually a famous example of this on the Well, there's a guy I think he's from Britain and you can take them in helicopters flying over a city and then he can stand in front of a pape piece of paper like 12 by 8 start anywhere and draw the entire city. No, and now and then you see autistic savants who were children who can draw perfectly realistically and so maybe they'll draw a horse and they don't even start the horse like a kid would like a normal kid would would sketch the outline of the horse and put some eyes in you know, they art anywhere and make the horse perfectly detailed and and what Grandin claimed was that so she said okay you think of think of house or think of church and she says what comes to mind if you think of church and maybe she'd say, well you get this little image of something that sort of shaped like this with a, you know, a steeple on top or a cross or something like that and that's the church and so maybe you think of house and it's like little kids house, you know, it's gonna it's got a rectangle and Alan Graham that's not a parallelogram. Whatever the hell you call that thing on the top and then it's got a chimney with smoke coming out of it right to Windows and the door house. Yeah, but there are no houses like that. Like each individual house looks a lot different than that. And so in order to have that conception of house what it essentially what you have to do is you have to take the class of all possible houses and extract out the features that are in common across all of them and that's an abstraction. And so as far as grandin's concerned she doesn't have abstractions like that. Which when you ask her to remember to think of church she remembers at church. It's always singular instances. Now, the thing about human beings is that you know, we perceive singular instances to some degree. Although I think our abstraction capacity often interferes with our ability to do that. But we also perceive abstractions and you can kind of tell this if you're ever trying to learn to draw like if I say draw Hand you guys most of you unless you have artistic training you're going to draw what's essentially a hero glyphic hand and I think the drawings the children come up with art drawings. I think their hero glyphs there are abstracted representations that are Quasi linguistic. They're not artwork there there proto-language, right? And so and here are glyphs. Of course. We're one of the earliest forms of written language. It makes sense because if you want to communicate about something why not draw an image, you know, and then they eventually the image turns into a word but I actually think that's I think that's the developmental progression of language among human beings. It's the abstracted image first. And then it's the word anyways, you know, if you drew a hand you'd like to draw a hero glyphic hand five fingers or maybe even four right because that's what they do. That's what animators do you can't fit all those sausages on one Circle, you know, so they just simplify it down to four and no one even cares you watch an animation animated program, which is highly abstracted. Right? I mean Homer Simpson looks think like an actual person like really tremendously unlike an actual person that's completely irrelevant, you know after two or three seconds, it doesn't matter at all, which is also why I think 3D movies never really it's never a technology that's ever caught on in South to the first four seconds who the hell cares. It's it is irrelevant whether you see it in three dimensions because you don't need much information to actually structure your perception. Now if you want to see your hand weirdly enough so that you can draw it. You have to snap out of your normal mode of perception. I find it's often a lot easier to do that with one eye closed because it flattens it out and then you have to stop looking at your hand as if it's a hand you have to look at it again. Like it's an object as soon as you do that. It's actually rather. Shocking because it's such a strange looking thing. Like if you if you put your hand in the non-canonical position, that's a canonical position. I would say put your hand in the non-canonical position and then look at it. It's it's the weirdest shape think it's quite shocking to see it and then you can draw it once you can actually see it like that. But before that you're pretty much stuck in hand, so so anyways, I think what happens with intelligence is that people are capable of obstructing and then they can manipulate. Abstractions and so let's take another look at what obstructions might be. So Now part of the reason I think that abstraction is so useful is because things are really really complicated and it's going to be a lot more difficult to manipulate the actual thing that to manipulate some representative abstraction of it. So if you could get an abstraction that that captures the gist of the entity now how we do that is not exactly obvious. But if you can then you can expend a lot more resources concentrating on the relevant parts of the of the entity and a lot less time concentrating on the irrelevant. So, you know, so for example, if you ask a child to draw house what color the house is is irrelevant now why it's irrelevant is not exactly obvious. I guess it's because color can vary across houses and color varies across all sorts of other things and so color turns out to be a non canonical element of house. So you can just dispense with it when you're thinking about a house you'd say, well, it doesn't matter what color the house is. It's still a house. So what exactly defines those features that something a house rather than something else are not that easy to figure out, you know, you could say well house has four walls and a roof. And those are the external walls and I guess you could identify the minimum necessary components, but even that's not so so simple and you could say house is also something that someone lives in which allows you to put caves as houses because caves obviously share very little in common with, you know standard house. So my point is that it's difficult exactly the figure out what set of features we do use to determine whether something is a member of a class. There's this guy named bigger answer who's thought about this a lot. He thinks that we that they're a combination of objective and functional basically and that enables us to do things like come up with the category of things you would take from your apartment if it was on fire, which is really interesting category, right? Because most of the things that you're going to take bear very little resemblance hard to see why they make a category pets. Family members probably in that order photo albums identification. What else might you take if you were your phone I suppose what else would you take out of the department during a fire? Well, you guys would be out on the street Stark naked obviously. So well you get the point is that you know, those things that I just mentioned seem to share very little in terms of objective features in common, but there's some reason that they still go here is a category. All right. So anyways, why do you need tabs track? Well, because you can handle the complexity of the world better. Even your perception is a form of abstraction, you know, because when you look at someone a lot of the abstraction is done for you because you just can't perceive very well. When you look at someone first of all, you will receive the surface of them. That's face it you would not the other surface. So that's a big limitation. You only see them now in this, you know, split-second rather than extended across time. You don't see any of their microstructure right beyond the beyond the you know, General pattern of the physiology at this level of resolution. You don't see anything below that I can't see your cells or your organs or anything like that, which is actually real problem often for us and I can't see The systems that you're part of so right off the bat just to perceive gives you a low resolution representation and that lot of thats limitations of your processing your eyes just can't zoom in that far. You don't have the cortical capacity to improve your vision, you know plus how much do you really want to see it one time? No more than necessary. Whatever that means and evolution seems to take care of that problem. So your perception abstracts for you right away, but then I would say maybe you make a leap from perception to Something like that. And so that would be the leap from the perception of the actual object to the image of the object and then a leap from the image of the object to the word. So it looks to me like a word is a representation of an image, which is a representation of a an object or situation. It's something like that. So and you need those because you have to deal with the complex world. So here's here's one way of thinking about it. So look at the top left corner of that diagram, so I called that the thing in itself and what it is is an array of dots roughly speaking and I think there's 360 dots there and you might say well and then if it was a real world object you could imagine that would be in three dimensions not to because that's too and it would be transforming because it would be also extended across time. So and it would have Micro structures that were far smaller than that and macro structures that were far bigger. But so even that is an abstraction, but it's And I'm using a fairly complex abstraction to represent the thing in itself. That's the thing. You cannot perceive right? What something actually is you just get an image and then they're the next five things our ways you could look at that so you could say well it's a rectangle you could say it's four rectangles and forget about the dots. You could say that it's I think that's 16 lines or what is it 32 lines 24 lines. So if you were going to if that thing in itself was an orchard and you were going to walk North like south to North through it, that would be a good representation. You know, those would be corridors roughly speaking and then object for is a combination of object one and object to and then object 5 is well all that's blurred out are the little groups of six dogs. And so you might say well what is that thing and then the answer is well, it's any of those five things and so that's an interesting way. Thinking about it too because one of the things that shows you is that you can disagree about what something is right at the level of perception and then you might say well which of those is the best representation and the first answer might be well the most complex one the top of the one in the left hand corner, but that's not necessarily the case. It might depend on what you want the representation for like imagine. It's weird. It's weird because imagine you have a map. Okay, and so you think well, I'm going to make the best map in the world and so You make a map. That's exactly the same size as the territory that it represents and has all the detail. Well, that's not any use at all that thing because you could just use the territory, right? So, you know the just because as a map gets increasingly detailed to some degree, it's increasingly useless as a map. And so what you need is this weird combination between accuracy and simplicity and so you want your map to be no more complicated than Is necessary to take you from point A to point B, that's it. So because otherwise it wouldn't be simple to use and the additional complexity would eliminate the utility of the of the math. So so you might say that what we're trying to do with our intelligence is to get what we need with the least amount of effort possible and and you know, there's a sort of a p as Yeti and idea that's lurking behind that which is well, you don't want you have limited resources. You don't want to expend any more energy than is necessary and you want to build representations of the world that suffice to keep you going now and then next week and next month and then you know alone and then in groups and so you build a representation of the world that has some concordance with the thing in itself, but has this functional simplicity so that you can actually use it in the real world. Alright, so back to this diagram, so I've got Object in five representations, and then there are ways of representing it linguistically at the bottom. So what that is the words are basically a simplification of something that's already simplified. So, okay. So intelligence seems to have something to do with the process of functional simplification. Now back to the library of questions, so you have this database of questions. And so then what you do is pull out a hundred questions randomly. All right, and you want to pick out a hundred because if you just pick out one like if I asked you what the capital of Georgia was and I asked you what the capital of Georgia was and you got it wrong and you got it right. I couldn't really say with any degree of certainty that that means that you have more intelligence because the probability that I get an accurate. Measure with one question is quite low. But if I use three questions while then you know, I would I would start to become my measurement would start to become less error written and if I use 10, it would even be better if I use 24 a personality questionnaire the rule of thumb and this is just a rule of thumb is that if you don't have 20 questions in the questionnaire, then you don't have enough questions to really generate a reliable measure. So you'll still see you'll still see single item measures used in Psychology, but You can add additional accuracy by by increasing the number of items. I designed an IQ test a while back and we got a pretty good. We got pretty good reliability and pretty good validity reliability is you know, you test the same set of people twice and the rank order of their performance stays the same. So if you got 90 on the previous test you get 90 and if you go up 95 because you're more intelligent in this example, if you got 95 in the last one you get 95 on this one, so that's That's reliability. You can get a pretty we could get a pretty reliable IQ test with nine items but it was substantially improved with 17 and with increments. You know, you get a what would you call it diminishing returns? So a hundreds plenty? Okay. So you pull out a hundred questions and then you take a hundred people and you give them those questions and then you score them right and wrong. That's all there is and then you sum the scores. Okay. So basically that that The some behaves like the average. Let's say you average the scores just to make the argument a little bit more straightforward you average the scores and so each of you gets the average of you know, calculated across the times that you were right and wrong. So it's an approximation of the frequency of your of how right you were and then we rank order you one to a hundred. That's IQ. That's all there is to it. So now people say IQ doesn't exist. Well, that's annoying because all they're doing is gerrymandering the definition of the word exists, you know, because you can do that if you ask if a is equivalent to B, the answer is it depends on what you mean by a and what you mean by b it's almost always a foolish question because you can take b and a and bend them and twist them in such a way that You can make one thing. Another thing without too much problem people usually get around that by only using a word in a context right in a sentence or a phrase or paragraph that defines the word so that you can't weasel around like that. But but more specifically in Psychology we have methods to tell if something is real, you know and site and if IQ doesn't pass the test of reality for a psychological measure then no other a psychological measures passed the test because they're validated exactly the same way IQ is and they don't work as well. So you can say well no that's not real. But then you have to throw out you probably have to throw out the social sciences completely insofar as they're actually Sciences because the same statistics are used to generate their findings. So you can't just say well this really powerful thing doesn't exist. Well a bunch of these weak things exist, and they're measured the same way. You don't get to play that game so Okay, so does it exist? Well, you can measure it you can measure it reliably so that's definitely something you know, because you might say well does your Shadow exist? Well generally speaking under normal conditions. You can measure your Shadow relatively reliable. You know, what does it exist? Well, it passes one test of existence, you know, you can't detect it with a number of Senses. You can't touch it for example, but you know whether or not something exists is actually a rather tricky question. but you can measure it and it's useful and that's not a bad definition of exist. So what's it good for? Well, it predicts major life outcomes and importantly. So and we can talk about the power of intelligence momentarily. If you are actually going to calculate an IQ score per se you would take the rank order that I just described and you would correct it for age because you know, you can't really expect a seven-year-old to know as much as a 15 year old or a 20 year old so generally speaking if you take a technical IQ test it will rank order you but it'll only rank order you with people up. The same age as you so that's just another, you know, it's an additional correction whether or not that actually gives you a more accurate estimate of IQ is depends on what you mean by accurate. A very bright 7 year old. Generally doesn't know enough to do much useful in the way of work, but they can learn extremely quickly. And so if you compared seven-year-olds to people of other ages purely in terms of their score on an IQ test, there's a high probability that you would underestimate their speed of learning by the same token though by the time you're 40, you have a lot of accumulated knowledge. And so if if you only measure learning speed then you would underestimate you would over estimate that seven-year-olds advantage over the 40 year old. IQ is basically a unitary phenomenon But you can fractionated into it's very very complicated. For reasons that I'll tell you about in a minute, if you had to divide IQ into to the way you would divide it would be into crystallized and fluid intelligence and fluid intelligence would be roughly the ability to learn and crystallized intelligence would be roughly a measure of how much you've learned. Now. Those are separate to some degree and here is why they're separate as you age your capacity to learn decreases. It's Ugly. So by the time you're about 24, you're starting to get stupider from the perspective of being able to learn and that's just pretty much a linear trip downhill until you depart the world. So it's nasty to see because it's quite a steep degeneration. You can Stave that off by the way with cardiovascular and cardiovascular exercise and weight lifting. So that's the best way to keep your learning capacity and Tak it's not to do cognitive exercises and students. Physical exercise and then as you age then the amount, you know goes up. And what happens is those two things actually tend to average out. So now you might say well if I'm claiming that IQ is this unitary thing, how can I make the claim that you can divide it into two elements and those elements are in some sense separate and I think the reason is for this so your your prefrontal cortex roughly speaking. So that's the part of your brain here forward. You can think about in part. It's the part that does the programming of motor activity voluntary motor activity, but it also seems to be so let's say you're doing something new and you're pretty clunky and awkward at it and then you do it more and more and you get smoother and smoother and smoother out it and you know you automatize it what happens is you're using your prefrontal cortex and to some degree your whole right hemisphere when you're first doing it and then as you get better and better at it the ability shifts to the left and then goes back. Backwards. So what's happening to some degree is your prefrontal cortex is programming the rest of your brain and you can think of fluid intelligence as a measure of the ability of your of your brain to program itself and crystallized ability as a measure of how much programming is there. And then so they're separated mounted because they perform separate functions, but then you can also understand that the better your programmer is the better. The programming is going to be so that inflates the correlation and so you can have two separate things functional functionally that are even dissociable in terms of age. But because they work so tightly together. It's like how fast can you dig a hole? And how big is the pile of dirt? Well, obviously those two things are different in some important sense, but they're going to be highly correlated because the faster you can dig a hole the bigger the pile of dirt. And so so anyways crystallized intelligence is often also, So often measured as verbal intelligence, but the better measured fundamentally is crystallized intelligence. Now, you know how we looked at the their personality hierarchy, right? That was this. And what you see is three strata roughly speaking aspect trait super factor, and it looks like the super factors. I would say. The validity of those super factors is not yet clear. You can get a lot of useful prediction by looking at the traits and there's more and more evidence. There's about 400 studies Now using the aspects, there's more and more evidence that you can also derive additional useful predictive validity from differentiating the personality down to the you know to the to the aspect level. That's the highest resolution personality model we have There are people who claim that there's something at the Apex which you might call good personality, but I don't think so. I think it's I don't think so. You'd have to read the literature to understand the the dispute. It's a statistical dispute roughly speaking, but we found in our research that stability and plasticity only correlated at Point 2. They're pretty separate. So I'm going to stick with that for now even though it might be wrong. Okay, so explain this problem. if you read The cognitive literature and the neuro psychological literature. You will find that neuropsychologists tend to assume that there are forms of cognitive ability that you cannot describe as IQ and they make that claim because they'll take a test and they'll use the test to measure something and then they'll correlate that with IQ and the correlation will only be about point to or point three. And so they'll say well that's not a high enough. Shouldn't to justify saying that those things are identical because the correlation should be more like .84 them to be identical. But the problem is let's say I had a measure of your IQ and your IQ and your IQ and your IQ and then I ask you two questions and you and you and you and I summed your answers whether they were correct or incorrect. Now, what would happen is there would be some correlation between your total score on those two questions and your overall like you maybe it would be point three, but that wouldn't justify me in claiming that the two question IQ test is different than the full scale IQ test. It's just worse. And then you're going to run into this problem when you read psychological literature and if you ever do it do any research because it's very difficult to determine whether you get what's called discriminant validity, which is this thing measures this thing and this thing measures this thing and they're actually different or whether you just have a lousy measure of this and allows you measure this it so the correlation is low now, here's a neuropsychological test. and you could make the case that this is Measuring something different than IQ. So Imagine you see an array of 12 pictures. They're just drawings drawings of a telephone and a boot and a chair just common objects. Okay, so you see 12 of them and then you have to click one and then when you do that, they move and then the next time you have to click one you haven't already clipped and then they move again and you click and they move again and you click and you see by the time you get to about eight of them you're starting to run into trouble because it's difficult. To remember more than eight abstractions simultaneously seven actually in some people claim. It's as low as 4 that's the capacity of working memory, which is why we kind of like phone numbers to be seven digits long a lot of the things we want to just remember our 7 units long and if we want to remember more than that, we chunk although, you know, if I show you some dots Okay, say well how many dogs 3 you don't have to count them you can see three dogs. You can see four dots it's not obvious that you can see five dots at that point you start to go 3 and 2 and then if there are six dots well, that's how they would be arranged on a dice on a dice right? The reason they be arranged on a dice that way is because you can see two sets of three it in for six, you know, if they're sort of randomly dispersed like that they say well how many dots is that while you have count them? And what that shows you is that your working memory, which is really a function of fluid intelligence is a very very narrow thing and it's like your vision, you know, we remember we saw the Gorilla video right and you can only pick up the thing that you're attending to well working memory is like that it's this narrow narrow form of attention and it's sort of specifies unitary phenomenon. I mean that's not quite unitary, but it's close enough and I think the reason that it does that it's like why is your attention so narrow is because Often what you're trying to do as you work in the world is to make binary choices, you know, you don't want to choose between 20 things. You want to read you want to choose between two things because then when you choose between two things you can actually act if it's still two things can't act if it's one thing you can actually imagine you go into Chinese restaurant is a good example because Chinese restaurants virtually always have like 400 items on the menu and you might ask yourself. Well, how the hell do you figure out what you want and what you don't do? Go through every single menu item and contemplate it because you'd be there for a week. So what you seem to do is eradicate chunks. So you might say well, I'm not in the mood for anything about fish. Okay bang 3/4 of the menu disappears, you know, and then you might go well, I don't want it Brandon whack and then another half is gone and now you're down to maybe eight choices and you know, you reduce that to 4 and then 2 to perhaps. Well, I'd like this or I'd like that but the waiter doesn't care. About that the waiter wants to know which one you want because until it's reduced to one you don't get to act and so the reduction the reduced narrow strip that we use to perceive the world in partly is a consequence of processing inadequacy, but it's also partly because we really are trying to reduce things all the time to zero in one right? Yes or no. So, okay. So back to the this three stratum theory of cognitive abilities now, You've got this array of 12 items and it keeps shifting. And what I would do is score you by the number of duplications you if you pick the same item more than once you lose a point. So the maximum points you can get is 12 and you know, people usually make three or four mistakes and so I could take your score on that test. Maybe I'd give it to you two or three times just to make sure I have a reasonably stable indicator and then I could correlate it with your full-scale fluid IQ, and I get a call. Nation for both point to 54.3 now if you don't know anything about psychometrics you'd say. Oh, well, that's obviously measuring something different than full scale IQ because it only correlates that point two five or point three, but what it turns out is no it's more analogous to the problem that we were just talking about where I ask you three questions and tried to derive your entire IQ from that. It's just a bad measurement. Now what happens is if you take the neuropsychological tests that people have developed a theory. Ethically assess the function of different parts of the brain. So and you factor analyze them and you extract out a single Factor the single Factor looks exactly like fluid intelligence. Now, is it exactly the same as fluid intelligence? It would be the oldest would be on the person who claims. It's not to demonstrate the difference. We did give University students of a very extensive battery of prefrontal cortical tests and measure their IQ and then we use the prefrontal cortical test average and the IQ to predict grades and what we did find was the prefrontal tests predicted over and above. The IQ but we thought maybe if you took the prefrontal average and the IQ and you added them to predict grade say that's a regression analysis, they both added in so they predict they predicted different parts of the variation. It added additional you necessary information. However, If you took all the neuropsychological tests and all the individual IQ test and you put them in one data set and then extract it out a single factor, that would be fluid intelligence. Roughly speaking that predicted grades very well. And then what was left over didn't predict at all. So what we concluded was that neuropsychological tests prefrontal cortical test test intelligence and they test a slightly different thing than fluid intelligence test do but that is Because they're testing something different. It's because fluid intelligence tests the way they're currently constituted don't sample the universe of potential questions as well as they should so it wasn't that we discovered something different. We discovered a measurement error roughly speaking that only took five years by the way, it took five years to figure that out. It was very annoying because when we started I was trying to predict grades, you know what I didn't know the IQ literature very well at that point. Because psychologists don't usually teach it very much because IQ bothers the hell out of everybody and so and the neuropsychologists who have their own field are you know, they're motivated to make the claim that they've discovered something new and I just took that on face value, but then we tried to predict like okay if I'm going to predict how well you do it your job. Well, I want to get a good cognitive measure because if it's a complex job because if it's complex job that keeps changing and you have to learn to keep up and if you can't do that. That you do very well. So that would be bad for you and it would be bad for everyone around you. And so we were trying to pick up additional information that would enable that the accuracy of that prediction to be increased and looked at the neuropsych literature. But at most it was an ambivalent success. Okay. So how does that relate to this? Well at the bottom tier where it's the most differentiated you have single tests and they're only correlated with each. ER at about point to maybe point three so you might say Well, they're all measuring different things. It's they're not they're all measuring the same thing badly and then you might Clump them. So let's say I ask you. Oh God, maybe I give you a test that ask you Tested your vocabulary with six-letter words, and then I gave you another test that tested you vocabulary with seven letter words, and another one that tested you work out to do with 8-letter words, and I said, well, those are all different tests. Well, they would correlate quite highly not perfectly but I could Clump them together and make one sort of super test out of them and then I could take super test a and super test be in Super Test b c and look at the correlations between those and those would climb to about 0.5 0.6. And then if I Clump the super tests together. Which would be happening by the time we got to stratum 2 there then the correlation between the tests would start to rise to about point seven. And then if I collapsed all the super tests into a single measure then the correlation between any of those stratum 2 tests and G cuz that would be the highest level thing G is general intelligence. That's roughly speaking fluid intelligence the correlation between any of the super tests and G would be about point eight. So the point of all this there's no way of discussing this sort of thing without doing it statistically and technically because their statistical and Technical processes. So what happens is that now let's say now you have a measure of fluid intelligence. Okay, you've got this measure and you take one of the stratum 2 sets of tests and use both to predict the academic achievement. What happens is that the super Factor G kills the rest of them your Not going to be able to find any of the tests in the bottom strata that are going to add to the prediction of what the general Factor can give you now with with personality. That's just not the case. You can't pull out a single factor that predicts how personality is going to influence jobs, you know performance across your life. If you add neuroticism if you take the single factor and you add neuroticism eroticism is going to kick the single factor out. Business is going to kick the single factor out and so forth because there isn't a single factor. It's not the tests aren't highly correlated enough to say that they're all measuring the same thing to some degree. The personality traits really are different, you know, you can Clump them into plasticity and stability. But even there your loot you you're maintaining a lot of validity. So if I took stability And then and use conscientiousness to predict job performance conscientiousness would wipe out stability it be a better measure but you never get that you virtually never get that with the lower tests in the IQ stratum. Okay now Yeah, well, we I just talked to you about that. So that's that's a that's a good representation of how these things are associated. So at the bottom you have the single tests and then they say chunkin' to say sequential reasoning quantitative reasoning and induction on the fluid intelligence sighs side and general knowledge and language development on the crystallized intelligence side. That's the red and then they're all subsumed underneath fluid intelligence, which is the measure that you really want to have. Okay, so what good is that? Well, it basically correlates .5 with major life outcomes and that's 25 percent of the variance and maybe you can get it a bit higher than that, but we'll just stick with 0.5 as a as a representation. And so let's say Let's say you take a bunch of students hundred of them and you want to sort them into those who will pass a class with a 50 percent failure rate. Okay, so you just pick the randomly you're going to pass you're going to fail you're going to pass you're going to fail. So that's no knowledge. I've no predictive Donuts whatsoever. So my validity the validity of my classification is basically going to be equivalent to chat 0 right. I'm only going to have a 50% chance of picking who passes and who fails if I Used IQ if I had all your IQ scores and I did the prediction I get right 75 percent of the time. So it's a huge difference. It cuts the failure rate in half by using IQ and IQ is a very good predictor of Health. It's a predictor of longevity. It's a predictor of resistance to post-traumatic stress disorder. It's a predictor of obviously occupational status. It's a predictor of educational success. It's a predictor of income. It's very powerful predictive and here's another way of conceptualizing its effect. So imagine that you could choose how you were going to be when you were born. This is in North America because it's going to vary by Society at least to some degree you get to be born into a family. That's at the 95th percentile for wealth or you get to be born at the 95th percentile for intelligence who's better off at the age of 40. And the answer is the person who picks being born with an IQ in the 95th percentile at Birth. It's more powerful predictor of long-term life outcome than familial wealth. So And it shows up everywhere. Like one of the things we did recently was look at disgust sensitivity. We're going to talk a little bit about that when we talk about conscientiousness because orderly people seem to be more sensitive to discuss than disorderly people that seems to be why they're orderly but the higher you are in IQ, the less discussed sensitive you are now we don't know exactly why that is maybe it's because you know, maybe you could make the inference that IQ is is in Have been some way to the physiological Integrity of the cortex, you know, rather than the limbic system which you know is the source of say emotions and motivations and the the more powerful. It is the more inhibitory capacity. It has over the more fundamental motivations and emotions. You could make that case the problem is is that intelligent people don't necessarily seem to be any less impulsive. So and you can have a pretty vicious personality disorder that is characterized by extremely disorganized behavior and a complete inability to put long-term plans into operation and still have a high IQ. So what are the things we really can't figure out it's just a hell of a thing to try to figure out is like the relationship between IQ and industriousness is zero. And that just makes no sense to me because most of the brain models are predicated on the idea that your ability to engage in long-term planning is a factor that's associated with intelligence, but then industrious people seem to not only engage in long-term planning they seem to do it right so that if they're more industrious they put their plans into operation then the plans actually work, but it's not correlated with IQ. So then I can't figure out well, obviously the industrious person in Some way is able to regulate their own behavior, you know, well, they're not procrastinating for example, and you'd think that that the ability to not procrastinate would be a cognitive feature, but it doesn't seem to be and we have no idea what makes people industrious and we can't figure it out. So it's this incredibly potent predictor. It's just about as powerful as IQ and we have no idea what it is. So so if you know if you think if you have a smart idea about that and you want to pursue it, like feel free because there's a big mystery there that no one's been able to crack and we've been at it for a long time and it had almost no success. You know, we had people do things like would give them sentences of ends M's and use sort of randomly distributed and then we'd have them count to use, you know, like a whole page of sentences. They're not census are just strings of letter count the use how useless. You know, you'd think that someone industrious would do that better. It's like they don't that's an IQ test the people who count can count. The use faster have higher argues almost everything that you would do that would wear it has to do with manipulation of abstractions of any sort even something that basic seems to be fundamentally associated with IQ people with higher IQs have slightly bigger heads if you control Body size they have slightly bigger brains, if you control for body size the axons on their neurons are a bit thicker. So the electrical messages seem to travel a little bit more efficiency, efficiently. They are slightly faster in simple reflex test. So it goes right down to the level of because our simple reflex light goes on push a button. There's not many neurons mediating that response, you know, chains of neurons. There's only a few neurons communicating so that you can do that, but even at that relatively Well processing level IQ is associated with speed. So there's a physiological component you're less likely to develop Alzheimer's disease if you have a high IQ, and maybe that's because your brain is just more robust, you know, so you could sustain damage say of up to fifty percent of your brain and you wouldn't even show it. If you're if you have a sufficiently high IQ, whereas if you're you know, if you're on the bottom end of the IQ distribution, you're much more you seem to be much more susceptible to physiological damage. I'm nutrition is a big predictor of IQ variation. So and a lot of that has been hammered out of modern societies, you know, so hundred and fifty years ago people's IQ was pretty tightly associated with their nutritional status. But now, you know, they're very few people in North America who don't have enough to eat even though there's some variation in quality of diet and that's flattened out a lot of the cultural variability in intelligence Okay. So this is a this guy named Hemphill did this paper or American psychologist a while back and one of the things he was interested in doing remember we talked about effect sizes, right? How big is an effect in Psychology or the social sciences in general and people have used rules of thumb that point five was a moderate effect in point 3 was a you know, a minimal effect and point to was a you know, a starting to diminish to the point of non-utility. But what Hemphill did instead of guessing because that was just a guess was actually go and look at papers that were published in Psychology to see what effect sizes are were being reported. So it's an empirical analysis of how big the effects that psychologists and other social scientists report. And so what he found was that the highest third of papers so that the third papers that had the biggest effects reported effects from point 3 5 to point 7 8 the middle third from .21 2.33 and the lower third from point O to 2.21. So, is there another yeah. If you look on the left side here, you see that and are less than 0.15. Characterizes the first quarter of published studies and are of 0.15 2.35 the next quartile. So 50% of psychological studies report and are of less than 0.35. 90% report and are of less than 0.5 and only seven to eight percent reported are of Point 5 or above. So what that means is that the relationship between IQ and say academic performance or long-term life income is higher than that reported in all but about 5% of psychology studies. Okay, so here's an interesting you might say again. in order to determine whether something exists you have to be able to measure it and then it has to be good for something so it has to be Rippable and has to be usable as a tool will safer for the sake of argument. What sort of IQ do you need for? What kind of job? This is derived from a company called Wunderlich and Wunderlich does employment testing psychologist usually don't use the Wonderlic Test. It's a relatively short IQ test and it's a good test. I think psychologists don't use it because it was developed commercially, but we tested the Wunderlich Outlaw and it has excellent psychometric properties. It's a very good IQ. Testing probably airs a little bit in testing crystallized IQ rather than fluid IQ, but we won't argue about that for the time being All right. So if you have an IQ from a hundred and thirty from a hundred and sixteen to a hundred and thirty that puts you in the 86th the 95th percentile, right? So that means your minimally if there are eight people in a room on average you'd be the smartest person. Okay. I should tell you just so you know that. If you're a state college student we use the us as an example because there's more differentiation between the American universities in terms of quality than there is the Canadian universities. If you're in an if you're in an average American post-secondary institution, your IQ is a hundred and fifteen and so, you know, you think that's not all that bright, but that's brighter than seven out of eight people in the general population. And so there are as many people if you look at the North American distribution So you have the 50th percentile in the middle of the normal distribution, you have the 85th percentile here and you have the 50th percentile here. It's about 70% of people fall between the 15th and the 85th percentile. All right at the 50th percentile. You're not really very literate. And so what that means is that in the United States, there's just as many people who aren't literate as there are people who are in college and what I would mean by literate is not so much like Here's a bare-bones definition of literate. You can follow written instructions. And so what that means is it's kind of a two-fold issue right? You can you can make out the words and the phrases and the senses, but then you can translate them into actual action. You can use them as information and at 85 you're going to have not a very good time doing that and so When you're wondering things about the way Society is structured and white people, you know are not don't necessarily make the most intellectually sophisticated choices. One thing that's very much worth remembering is that there's just as many people who are functionally illiterate in North America as there are people who are in, you know, Tier 1 colleges, it's quite shocking. Anyways, okay, so you want to be an attorney a research analyst and editor and advertising manager a chemist and engineer and executive. Systems analyst and auditor. So you're up in the profession levels there. You need an IQ of at least a hundred and sixteen and so hundred and thirty would be better. My suspicions are that the average IQ people in this room is about 120 to 125. It might be a little higher than that. It's hard to measure IQ in the UT population because a lot of people have English as a second language. And so that that makes it harder to you know, it's harder to measure crystallized intelligence obviously using an English. Which test but that's we found when we've done our studies at the U of T that the average exceeds 120. So, you know, so you guys have the cognitive power to basically pursue professional level careers from 110 to 115. Manager supervisor programmer teacher general manager person purchasing agent registered nurse sales account executive. These are actually empirically derived by the way. So the Wunderlich company has tested a very large number of people and so these are the actual averages of the professions that they are describing. It's not hypothetical. Hundred and eight 203 to a hundred and eight so that's the 62 the 70th percentile clerk customer service rep computer operator medical debt collector secretary accounting clerk general sales telephone sales assistant manager credit clerk drafter designer bookkeeper. There's a lot of White Collar like blow level entry level White Collar jobs in that particular category. So that would be the brighter people among the high school students who didn't go to college and university. IQ this is dead average 50th to the 55th percentile police officer receptionist cashier General clerical staff inside sales clerk meter reader printer teller data entry electrical helper dispatcher in general office. So that's right at a hundred. 95 to 98. So that's the 42nd to the 45th percentile quality control Checker claims clerk security guard or unskilled labor. So look the unskilled laborers are up at 95th 298, right? So that's your still a ton. The unskilled labor level. You're still have an IQ that's higher than 40% of the population arc welder dies Setter mechanic medical dental assistant. IQ 87 to 93 messenger factory production worker assembler food service worker nurse's aide warehouseman custodian janitor material handler and Packer. Okay. So now what you see happening the difference looks to me like you can do job. You can't conceptualize jobs most simply with a 2 by 2 Matrix. Okay. So there's managerial administrative jobs and creative jobs. That's the first one and then there's local. Actually High complexity and so what you're starting to fall into at the 21st to the 37 percentile. So that's still one person in three are low complexity managerial jobs. And so what I mean by that is that if you're in a low complexity job imagine you're responsible for 30 things, but roughly speaking. It's the same 30 things all the time and roughly speaking. They have to be taken care of the same way each time. So you have a finite domain of responsibility and you You can Master it and IQ will predict how fast you master it. But once you master it will predict how well you do what happens then in all likelihood is that conscientiousness starts to predict or maybe emotional stability starts to predict or some of the other personality factors start to become more important. So but at 87 to 93, you're down at the level of custodian and janitor. and then that's that and that's not so good because you have the bottom 15 to 20 percent of the population who aren't quite who haven't who don't have a cognitive ability at that level. And so one of the things that you're going to hear a lot about as you get older is reasons for unemployment and one of the Prime reasons for unemployment in the future is increasingly going to be that there is just nothing for someone of that level of intelligence to do and this is partly why people hate IQ because you think that is a nasty nasty thing to conclude. Let me tell you a story so I had a client One point who I suspect he had a verbal IQ of about 85 and a nonverbal IQ. That was lower. He had other psychological issues. But but we'll just concentrate on that one for the time being and you know, he had a hard time finding a job. He was socially anxious and that didn't help but you know, even if he could overcome that it was very difficult for him to master the basic skills that were involved in. What you would consider even relatively straightforward task. So I spent a lot of time trying to find him a job, which is was insanely difficult. He went to the government first to get help and they told him to you know, type up his resume on a computer and distribute. It's like well that wasn't very helpful because he didn't know how to use a computer and he was going to type up his damn resume and you know, it was if you want to get a job go out do the things that it would take to get a job while yeah, if you can do that then you don't have a And so the government agencies were completely useless, you know, and they were staffed by people who would assume that if you didn't do what you were advised to that. You just didn't want to have a job instead of ever thinking that maybe you couldn't do it. It's not that easy to use a computer. No, so and then I tried to get him a volunteer job or you can bloody well forget about that because it's harder to get a volunteer job than it is to get a real job. And the reason for that is that you have to step through a number of complex bureaucratic hoops. Ting having police check and you know, first of all that's intimidating as hell for people even if they haven't done anything wrong and second. It's not that straightforward, you know, it involves maneuvering through a complicated bureaucracy and that's not the only step there's all sorts of other steps. So volunteer work, that's out man. That's that's just not going to happen not generally speaking and then I found him a job helping a guy out who had a bicycle shop / bookstore. It's kind of a strange combination. It was a government subsidized temporary position and then he did a good job at it. He could he was reshelving books and that sort of thing and so he was reliable and he could do that. But you know the subsidy program ended and of course if you run a bike shop / bookstore, it's not like you have additional money to hire someone because you know, those are that's the story that's just not going to be generating maybe any income but certainly not enough to hire someone so that fell apart then I did a bunch of cause I did made a bunch of personal contacts. with Charity organizations to see if I could get him a volunteer position. I finally got him a volunteer position. So and then I went with him to train him at the volunteer position and that was so enlightening. So what he had to do was he had a stack of pieces of paper here and then a stack of envelopes here and in principle the pieces of paper which were letters were in the same order as the envelopes were and so what he had to do was fold the pieces of paper three times since Of the folded piece of paper into the envelope and then seal the envelope and then put it here but it was a bit more complicated than that because sometimes the letters were French and sometimes they were in English. So that what that meant was that he had to watch and see that the French envelopes went into this stack and the English envelopes went into that stock. So that's one degree of complexity. Right? But then it also turned out that those damn envelopes had to be run through an automatic letter sorting machine now, you might think well that doesn't matter. it does matter because those things have very tightly defined tolerances and if you Make a mistake imagine you fold the piece of paper. And the first time you fold it you made a mistake of 1/8 of an inch. And then the next time you fold it you make another eighth of an inch mistake. That means your piece of paper is now 1/4 inch out of true and then you stuff it in the envelope and fold it but you crinkle the envelope and so then the envelope gets stuck in the automatic processing machine. So I taught him probably 20 hours how to fold this piece of paper into three, you know. He was a bit shaky and he just didn't have the motor fine motor ability or the cognitive ability to do that and then I'll end with this. When he finally couldn't do it anymore. What happened was the letters came with photographs attached to them and then he had to fold the pieces of paper around the photographs in a way that didn't crumble the photographs so that they could still fit into the envelopes and each photo was, you know, stapled maybe half an inch different per piece of paper. So then he had to fold them properly with a different folding technique for every piece of paper and he had to sort them into French in English. And then also if the Lopes and the papers ever got out of sync which they did now and then he had to figure out how to sort the envelopes and the pieces of paper to make sure that they were matched with the proper. You know, what they were masked with the proper envelope. It's like no that was the end of it. And so I'll tell you the rest of his story later. So anyways, you know, there there is the moral of the story is if you're smart you're privileged and thank God make use of it. And if you're on the lower end of the IQ distribution, man, you've got one too. If life ahead of you as nothing to do with willingness to work or virtually nothing so and it's a good thing to know even though it's horrible entrepreneurial or premium. Yeah. Yeah. This podcast is brought to you and made possible by generous financial aid from Peter kanzler K. 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You're listening to fit processions were parallel coaching episode number. I think Haley. We're on number eight. Correct me if I'm wrong. Yes, Ronnie. Hi, I'm Neil and this is Haley and in today's podcast. We're talking about planes of motion. Welcome to today's revision power our stay tuned. Hi, I'm Neil Bergman and I'm Haley Bergman over the last 10 years. We've helped thousands of Fitness professionals to get qualified. And then we Simplicity and Coach clients with confidence with the first to say that learning and being a bit broke doesn't have to be hard work and that with the right structure support and resources. You can become a confident and knowledgeable Fitness professional that is dedicated to more to how do you learn qualify and Kickstart as a Pit Row? This is the fit processions podcast with parallel coaching. You know when we started our YouTube channel KD I never would have guessed never for a million years would have guessed that a simple three and a half minute video would become our most popular video over time. We didn't even I'm going to say we didn't even think about the quality of the sound the quality of the lighting. We just did it in the in the front living room. I pulled the camera out bam and we started talking about planes of motion and a couple of years on this three and a half four minute video has reached hundreds of thousands of views and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of comments from people all over the world saying you've finally made the penny drop around planes of motion. So, do you know what I want to kick-start? I know episode number four or five on the first revision one packet back earlier in the week was all about you know, why A and P is important, but I wanted to jump into one of these subsystems around physiology not Anatomy around physiology serve a function of Of both of our body and talk about paint emotion. Yes. Yes, and here we go. So I'm going to I'm going to ask you a question. Okay and a fax. Okay, so and and I'm going to try and catch you out. So what is it? What is planes of motion? What is a planar motion a planar motion is basically a different dimension. So if you think of something that is 2D like a cartoon drawing that only has two Dimensions to it. We are 3D bodies we We have three dimensions to our body that we move within so when we're talking about physiology and moving then we move in three different dimension. We hope we move in three different dimensions, but we moved in three days every single day. We do. I would say majority of the clients. I've trained favor one plane of movement over another absolutely the trapeze wife are inactive and sedentary and for my clients. Overweight and Andy conditions absolutely and most of the time we'll find ourselves in the sagittal plane of motion. And that's because it's the the planar motion where we're moving forward that's are walking and are sitting the other one is frontal plane, which we don't do as often. You might do it when you're say stepping to the side on the pavement when you're dodging people that's and frontal plane, which you if you think about you don't necessarily do that often and then on the other side, let's go if we drive everywhere, we're not on the Don't they go they'll be white and then transverse is when you're twisting so putting a seatbelt on Etc and what you often find is that wipe your bum on the toilet. That would be transverse to some extent. Yes lovely image there. But it's also quite a lot of injuries that clients have generally come from a twisting motion a transverse twisting motion. So this understanding of all the planes of motion, We have is that because we don't do enough transverse or trained within the transverse. That's why injury show up. Yeah exactly what we favor like you said with your clients your in sagittal all the time. And then you suddenly do something. That's a Twist like transverse all of a sudden or lots of repetitions of that say like a cashier at a supermarket where the twisting all day that twisting motion is going to cause an injury because it's so rarely trained compared to say the sagittal. So those muscles are Were used or misused exactly we got by understanding the planes of motion. You actually understand so much more about the body. So let's say for example, you do running you are over using a particular plane emotion like sagittal in that case a lot. Whereas if you're say a cashier, you might be overusing the transverse plane more. So there's lots of ways you can look at it. But essentially there are three planes of motion sagittal frontal and transverse I went off Sanjana protocol so that would it today as well. So I as you know, maybe you don't but myself and Haley have been very much into are running over the last four years. So if we consider that sagittal is all about Fleck mainly at the Joint actions are flexion extension of a joints, which Create A sagittal movement. Yeah, correct, correct and running is flexion extension of the ankle knee and hip and hip elbow shoulder whatever which creates us to run. In for words now we went into. Oh not just Ultras. It's off the tip of my tongue trial trial events, where we go. How could I forget that? How could I forget so we went into Trail so we went from road which was you know quite I'm going to say safe and secure in the interval predictable and all of a sudden we now had to sidestep and have some rotation going over Styles going around fences going through Gates and now The impact that had on us was phenomenal wasn't it? Because we now have to change our style of training to match with demand specific adaptation to an imposed. Mm. And I hope you listen to episode 4 of a last revision module 5. There we go. It's for around the said principle because now we're training specifically inside for conversation of planes of motion. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah, so training get a major part. It says planes of motion are three dimensions and understanding those will allow you to help with your training planning as well. Another example would be the a lot of my clients historically have as I've said, I've been you know overweight deconditioned sedentary have a very inactive job and they live in this I'm going to say one-dimensional sagittal world. So they take release path of resistance and I found that a lot of clients because they live in this sagittal world. They neglect frontal and transverse e and more and when it comes to basic tasks such as mowing the lawn or getting the washing in or getting the washing out the washing machine where they have to bend down which is sad at all. But then add a transverse element in and go across into another plane. That's when injuries show up. Absolutely and that's one of the reasons why you D do need to know about planes of motion as a fitpro beyond your exam. So you will get tested it on. Your exam so level 2 and level 3 anatomy and physiology planes of motion will come up you're going to get at least four to six questions around this topic. Yeah, just the one. Yeah, there we go. And also like what Neil said understanding how the body moves will help you understand why our clients get injured doing certain things or why they're avoiding moving in certain ways, but also it allows us to understand functional opposites. So in your level tell me more I'm intrigued now. Hmm. It's probably the main time that planes emotion comes up in a practical session in the classroom that we're doing is part of our PT course, so we're doing a PT course and we teach the Advanced Training Systems as part of that and one of the Advanced Training Systems is an Agonist antagonist superset. So push-pull. So bicep tricep leg extension leg curl chest, press T of rho lat pulldown stress, right so they are Functional opposites. That's what as Agnes Ontario superset is about it. So that one set of muscles can totally relax whilst the others are were muscles always work in pairs that is a rule a principle of the body exactly. If there's one muscle it has to have an opposite every action. There's a reaction and The Agonist will always be the opposite one to The Agonist and always be resting whilst I said the antagonists. Are we gonna catch you out? Well, it's the This is working. So if you want to work out, what a true Agonist antagonist superset is and therefore have a balanced approach on the body. You need to be aware of planes of motion. So we had a course on the weekend and quite often people will pick these two differently think voice of pushing a pulls. It doesn't really matter really get the exact functional opposite. So let's say for example, one of our Learners had a chest, press a sorry ass. Shoulder, press followed by a bent over row as ice not really it an Agonist antagonist superset because one's gone. They're still shoulders laps. Yes, the probably yes exactly - oh, yeah, but the problem is I almost catch you in the problem is that they're not in the same plane of motion. So shoulder press is will be in a frontal plane mostly which is the functional opposite to that is going to be like a lat pulldown or a chin up. So another way to remember this I find is a shoulder press is a vertical push exercise nice. So I'm pushing vertically so if you're watching on YouTube now, I'm pushing vertically. Yeah, therefore for functional opposite has to be a vertical Paul exact. There we go. The other side of that is a horizontal push like a press-up or a chest press and then the reverse of that would be the horizontal pull which is your bent over row. You're seated row Etc. So it gives a real clear understanding if you understand the body you Can is not a surprise? It's easy to come up with these super sets and I find sometimes when Learners have jumped straight to understanding the training systems or trying to understand training system a funky sexy stuff of that training systems and exercise is that not grasp the planes of motion at level 2 or level 3. They end up it falls apart in the don't understand why they don't get it completely and then what works very closely with planes of movement is also joint actions. Yes. So what's happening? Particular joint and what is that joint moving through? So for example, Haley's I'm hisses hisses hisses what I'm going to try and catch head out. So what's happening at my shoulder now as I do a shoulder, press abduction abduction and your elbows extending and my elbows extending but the point there is I wanted to highlight is abduction. And then when I put the shoulder press comes down essentially my shoulder is a duck a duck Ting. So I've got shoulder abduction. Shannon adduction in a vertical push-pull, which is frontal plane. However, if I now went to a bent over row, yeah, my shoulder is no longer a ducting abducting. It's flexing and extending Flex in extending and this is the point I why it's so important and I want to want to kind of bat that ball home at the park and just say it's not a case of no understanding planes of motion. I must and what's happening each joint as well. Yes, if I don't understand what's happening each join, is it flexion extension adduction abduction inversion e-version pronation supination those two that terminology then again, I can't fully understand what exercise to give them because I now need in the opposite to that. So if I'm now pulling doing a shoulder, press a vertical push, I'm going through abduction and adduction I now need Horizontal poor inside abduction and adduction as well vertical pull a vertical pole Robin. Yeah, exactly. So I've got to stay within abduction and adduction of the shoulder in order for it to be a true super set. Perfect. That's the one that's for one and then also part of this is this LinkedIn to what you said a moment ago and in with understanding these ladies got cold today. I'm not just a bit little bit Gravely so If your client has a sporting goal, for example, like we talked about running quite a bit, you know that that's primarily sagittal. So the exercises that you choose would be more specific to that goal. It doesn't mean you can't do the other ones but more specifics that go if you chose sagittal base movements like a lunge or a leg press compared to a lateral lunge, which is a frontal plane so you can start choosing them specifically, but remember there is still benefit in doing the others. Not just working in one plane because that's the sport that they're going to play for exam Cole. I'm looking at my notes. I've got my next question. I think we've kind of over spilled into this. I'm going to ask anyway, and if there's anything else you can add go for it, but why did Fitness professionals need to know about planes of motion? I'm not just talking about Jim instructors Fitness instructors personal trainers circuit instructors cats were instructors. I'm talking about Pilates yoga atque kid's fitness. The whole spectrum of being a fitness Pro also why they yeah, why do I need to feel like we've already answered this so I'm going to sum up quickly. Yeah, it's not just about the exams. It's also about knowing how the body moves knowing about your functional opposites and your supersets knowing your sport specific actions of being able to match that to the particular specific goal that you want to adapt to get better at and being able to observe your clients and knowing what compensations are happening so you can plan accordingly Wicked they go Okay, I like that last point being able to actually observe for climb. We talked about this on course and Adam and you know, if you're with another provider, hopefully your providers talking the same the same stuff and you're doing it but what am I looking at a my client when they're on the treadmill when they're on the cross trainer when they're doing a shoulder, press and and observing. It's not just a case of walking around from 360 degrees and go. No, you look really good. It looks okay. It's now looking and thinking am I working the correct plane of movement. Am I a Deering to that plane of movement a Within it. Yeah, exactly. So if you've got someone running on the treadmill and their left elbow is abducting slightly more than their right elbow. Will you might look at that and go. Oh now I know it's going away from the body its abductee bit more what muscles might be tight. What muscles might be weak. Where's the conversation happening? Are they now moving a different plane of motion and you can start bringing all the information that you've learned together and that only comes from real good observation. Like you're a human x-ray machine. A human x-ray machine, I love it. I love it. So I did have another question. In fact, no it's a point. I wanted to make and that's mean physiology exam a level 2 majority of providers have 50 questions and at level 3. It's 40 question. What do you get from? My Gary was a couple of providers out there that have 37 questions. Yes. Well, that's okay. The point is you can go to www.hsn.com. No parallel coaching dot u k that's the one that's the one I just The Malt website which was like five years ago, yeah parallel coaching dotco dot U k-- Yeah, okay and download more questions relevant to your course absolutely and they will include someone playing some motion paint emotions, which means you can practice for type and style and structure of a question and break this down but also take a second in your revision process and think about what's actually going on here. What are they asking of me? What how does this relate to a client in the future? Yeah, totally boom so wide. If it grows find it hard so hard to learn this. I think we've also touched on this quite a lot and that's because it relies so heavily on the understanding of joint actions and Joint actions to a level 2 and level 3. So understanding what flexion and extension is abduction and adduction understanding all those different words and for some people that terminology and long words are just so new to them. They've not had chance to put that into their body. They're not given it time and they're trying to just absorb it all in one. Instant rather than allowing themselves to learn each joint action. Once you've learnt all the joint actions. I think it's easier to get your head round the planes emotion because you know how the body moves a couple of a few years ago Hayley and I did some work with Tony Robbins. It was amazing amazing and we did a couple of you PWS on this repeal with it. Yeah. We went to business Mastery with him. We did some other bits and we did some Tony Robbins coaching and VII the one The thing I got from all of that was repetition. I got loads of things. The big thing was repetition is the mother of all skill. Absolutely and when it comes to learning and revising its repetition repetition repetition, even though at times we might feel with repeat it too much or through that repetition. We come a little bit bored and so we don't do it. So if you're finding that point where you go and I'm still not getting our understanding this start repeating it but learn it in a slightly different. When way maybe reading about it? You've kind of already self to death. So maybe go and watch something on our YouTube channel. So to get a different perspective go back and re-listen to this podcast. So you can start repeating it in a different perspective and have a different message have a different mode going into your body so you can specifically adapt your brain. Absolutely. It's what we talked about in our vision Mastery boot camp. We've got audio downloads in there of each of the modules and systems and the The benefit of that audio download is for that repetition. You know, what's one learner did I was talking to the other day? What they did is they actually recorded themselves on their iPhone. Wow reading at the manual and then played it back to themselves. It was very own voice for had to get past her Point that's gonna say that's the horrible business listening to your voice is but then they could on the way to work they could listen to themselves and just the very Act of not being able to not having to read it through repetition. They can now listen to it. They absorbed it really really quickly and I thought was a great way of doing it. Yeah, perfect. Not that I want to give a quick learning point about what it actually is in terms of what our planes of motion. That's right. Yeah, of course, it's so just stand up now, wherever you are, whatever you're doing, maybe all if you're yes know if you're not driving them other than that stand up and we stand in a neutral position. So this is the position that you see images of muscles and skin. Certain standing in any anatomical position anatomical position. That's correct. Milto's tracking forward hips tracking forward stand up nice and tall is if you got a big helium balloon pulling it up, right? You're nice and long through the spine a nice neutral spine and palm by side with Palms facing forwards think honestly to do with the whole hallway through with just say the same thing be a power. Maybe I'm not sure so sagittal plane is anything where you've got flexion and extension so in this Neutral position is standing in which is your anatomical position. Just move your arms forward as if you're doing a frontal raise can't bring your arms up into like this Frankenstein type movement how ants because we're recording this on Halloween movement will be perfect. Bring your arms up in front us a frontal raise that is going to be flexion of your shoulders. So flexion of your shoulders and extension of your shoulders when you bring them back down and also you could step forward or if you kick your bum Zu bring your Your knee up leave your name your heel up towards your bum that is all going to be flexion-extension movements. They happen in the sagittal plane and just notice you're moving forwards in space and then backwards and space. That's all the sagittal plane motion and it's often likened to like a wheel. So if you think a wheel on a car is moving forward all the time, that's your sagittal plane. So in the images of the sagittal plane, but pane of glass divides the body and a half. Yes. Left to right left to right cool. So then if we move on to frontal buttplate, the pane of glass is dividing the body from front to back front to back or anterior be in the front posterior be in the back of a body. Yeah, and then the type of actions if I'm still in this anatomical position R. So this is the adduction and abduction. So taking your arms up to the side bring them back down to production Michael. Alright, yeah, and then adduction bring it back down to the side you can do this. Same with your hips and also lateral flexion. So when you're moving your spine side side, so that is frontal plane motion. I like to imagine I'm being squashed between two planes panes of glass and then have to just move in that strip face and that's frontal. Then finally one would be transverse. And if we had a pane of glass of this plane of movement, it would divide for body upper and lower upper and lower. So it's like having being sliced through the midsection. Horizontally so that you've split your upper body from your lower body. It allows rotation. So you're moving along that rotation line includes internal and external rotation of the arm and your hip and it also includes something that's in a horizontal plane horizontal flexion and extension as well, which is like giving someone a hug. Oh, there we go. Do I get a hug you can have a hug? There we go. And so you've got I know we've done a whistle-stop tour there, but there's loads of stuff on On our blog about this and some Wicked Vlogs where we've done some extended kind of YouTube. Yes on this. So go over and head over there type into the search bar planes of motion, you'll soon find them and do anything else you want to add or I should we should have asked I should have said no, I think that really sums up planes of motion really nicely in terms of loans just a good understanding of what it is, but most importantly why you need to know it also level 2 and level 3, you must know planes of motion and then what we're going to do. And a couple of episodes time is actually talked about axis of movement inside planes of motion. Yeah. Oh she'll cross this planes of motion first. Then we move on to the axis of movement. It'll all make much more sense. And and I'm going to end it here. Send me an e-mail send Haley and I need me. 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Episode 008 Revision – Dividing the Body Into Planes of Motion Here’s what we talked about on today’s FitPro Sessions Podcast Today’s podcast episode is our second revision Fit Pro session where Neale and I explore the three planes of motion; sagittal, frontal and transverse planes. We explain why so many trainees Fit Pros find it difficult to learn and remember the planes of motion as well as discuss why you need to know about planes of motion for more than just your anatomy exam, but also for planning and training clients. Grab the FitPro Sessions Podcast show notes PLUS extra notes on Planes of Motion AND Mock questions to check your knowledge https://parallelcoaching.co.uk/episode-008-dividing-the-body-into-planes-of-motion Timestamps: 1:00 Our most popular YouTube Video is all about Planes of motion 2:00 What are the planes of motion? 2D vs 3D 2:50 Using all three planes in daily life 4:00 Overuse, Underuse and Misuse as a cause of injury 5:00 Running in a sagittal plane 6:00 Creating training plans for your clients that are Planes of Motion biased. 7:30 Understanding functional opposites for Agonist and Antagonist Superset 9:50 Remembering supersets using Vertical and Horizontal push/pull 11:00 Joint Actions and Planes of Motion 13:00 Choosing exercises relevant to your client’s goal or sport 13:50 Why do Fitness Professionals need to know Planes of Motion? 14:20 Observing the client 15:30 The Anatomy and Physiology exam at Level 2 and Level 3 and download Mock Questions 16:30 Why do Fit Pros find it hard to learn Planes of Motion 17:00 “Repetition is the mother of all skill” 19:00 Learning Point to remember the 3 Planes of Motion 22:30 Learn more about Planes of Motion in these blogs: What are the 3 Anatomical Planes of Movement https://parallelcoaching.co.uk/what-are-the-three-anatomical-planes-of-movement What is the difference between Axis of Movement and Planes of Movement https://parallelcoaching.co.uk/what-is-the-difference-between-the-axis-of-movement-and-planes-of-movement 23:00 Leave a review 23:20 Send us your feedback to info@parallel-coaching.com 23:50 Start of the Revision Power Hour You can listen here, plus subscribe and leave a review: 🎧 Spotify: http://bit.ly/spotify-fitpro-sessions 🎧 iTunes: http://bit.ly/itunes-fitpro-sessions 🎧 Stitcher: http://bit.ly/stitcher-fitpro-sessions Grab the FitPro Sessions Podcast show notes PLUS extra notes on Planes of Motion AND Mock questions to check your knowledge https://parallelcoaching.co.uk/episode-008-dividing-the-body-into-planes-of-motion Download Free Mock questions here: https://revision.parallelcoaching.co.uk/fitness-exam-mock-questions Check out what learners are saying: HERE Like us on Facebook: HERE Follow us on Instagram: HERE Subscribe to our YouTube Channel: HERE --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/fitpro-sessions/message

If you've never heard about anchor it's the easiest way to make a podcast and I'll explain really quickly my favorite part. It's free. There's actually creation tools that allow you to record and edit your podcast right from your phone or computer. If you want it will actually distribute your podcast so it can be heard on Spotify apple as and many more and you can actually make money from it without any minimum numbers of listeners, and it'sThat you need to actually make a podcast in one place. So do this download the free anchor app or go to Anchor the FM to get started. In this episode. I had the pleasure of interviewing Heather Monahan. She recently did a TED Talk down in Boca Raton around the Thanksgiving holiday. She has written a book called The Confidence Creator and she also has a top 100 podcast on Apple and she did all this just two short years after being fired from her corporate role where she had an executive. Addition and so this is super interesting story super inspired by her and everything that she's accomplished and I can't wait to see where she goes from here. So I hope you all enjoy. Hey everybody. Thanks so much for tuning into the blaze your own trail podcast. I'm your host Jordan Mendoza and I have got an amazing guest today. You can see her here on the screen. Her name is Heather Monahan, and I really we want to let her give you some context into who she is, you know where she started and then we'll get into this interview. So my background in Corporate America was in sales and sales leadership and then I was fired two years ago. I wrote in self published my first book confidence Creator, which Trump trump for number one on the business biography list on Amazon. Then I became a public speaker when I was out promoting my book and then I signed a deal with podcast one and lunch my podcast creating confidence. And then I just delivered my first tedx talk which was the me to movement misstep or mistake which just launched the last couple days. Wow, you know, and and and you think about this, you know for everyone that's listening. I want you to remember what she just said. This was two years removed from being fired from a corporate job in and I know a little bit about your the background like you you were moving you right like you were moving up this ladder and you like everything was working out the way that it was supposed to work out until it didn't you know? Yeah. I was at the highest level. I was in the c-suite. I was a chief Revenue officer responsible for hundreds of millions of dollars. I just won one of the most influential women in radio. I was definitely at the top of my game in the media industry for sure. Yes, and you know, and then something happened and for those of you that haven't seen Heather's Ted Talk I We recommend that I had to actually watch it twice. I was so inspired by the first time in some of my biggest takeaways. I want to share with the audience. And for those of you that haven't seen it yet. So in your Ted Talk you gave your five-step plan for advertising and just just to give the audience what that five steps are it the first one was identify the right platform to run your campaign on. Okay, the second one was too strong and powerful messaging and do it frequently. Only do it with frequency. And you said that frequency is what sells? Yes and anything in any environment in any environment the next one was, you know, identify a music bed or a jingle to elicit emotion or memory and yours you said was Kendrick Lamar's I love myself and this is intro to your podcast. So if you're not subscribed to her podcast, I highly recommend that as well number four was you need a call to action to converts, right? And the fifth one was when you fire on all four cylinders, you need a visual component and then that campaign will explode absolutely that's how media works. That's how advertising campaigns work. You know, what is so interesting because if we just stop there I feel like that's enough value for the audience to take that five step framework and start to build on it but interestingly enough what you actually did is you took that framework and before I get into this, how did you come up with that was? This something you created or was this? Okay. So so what what sparked that five steps because it's brilliant. Well, you know, I was in media for 20 years. So I had managed so thousands if not hundreds of thousands of campaigns over my career and I saw what worked and what didn't work. I read white papers and research papers about improving advertising. I mean, this was what I was immersed in every day. It was just the idea. Of me applying it to myself instead of her clients and that's it. And she kind of led into it folks. So what she did in this again this to me was just brilliant. So the five steps is amazing, but she actually took those five steps in apply it it to her life and said, you know, I'm going to run this campaign on me. And so for the audience, can you give them a little context on exactly what you did for those that haven't seen your Ted Talk? Yeah, but definitely watch my TED talk. It's ten minutes each. Don't regret you won't regret giving up. So I basically decided I was at a low moment in business and I was being treated very poorly at work. I was being harassed I was being bullied and I just decided that you know, I'd hope that if I kept looking away and not paying attention to it. They would leave me alone in this woman would go away but it wasn't working. It was very obvious. She was getting more negative towards me things were getting worse for me and I actually started losing my hair. That's what caught my attention I threw my Check out my said okay, I can't ignore this anymore. I'm physically not. Okay, so I decided to launch an ad campaign for myself to really try to reboot me because I hadn't been feeling confident for probably a couple years at this point. I had but this gone on for a couple of years at least a solid year and I just decided. Okay. I'm going to launch an ad campaign for me in my mind to me about eliciting confidence within me. I feel like I'm giving my TED talk right now, so So funny and you know, I started with the platform the first thing I would ask a client is our let's take a look at what platforms your audience is in front of so, we might look at Facebook television radio, whatever it might be digital advertising, but I thought why not choose my mind. I'm in charge of it. It cost me nothing. No one can tell me what adds to run there, but me so why don't I just run it here. I spend more time with in my own head every day long having dialogue then I do with social media or anyone else so I picked to run. But campaign in my mind then I chose powerful messaging. Look. I'm doing this with my hands again. Like I'm giving my talk I chose powerful messaging. So, you know, a lot of what I do now is like I can I will I step into fear fear is a green light. I am confident. I am powerful whatever resonates with you around what your challenge with for some people, you know, it might be I will not let this person speak down to me. It's whatever resonates with you. Okay, so I chose my messaging. I ran it with frequency, which is seven times a day to have a successful campaign and I decided to attach music to it because when I'm with a client or with a past client and media, it was really helpful, they would have a jingle or something people could remember right? Because it elicits memory often you feel oh my gosh. I know what this is It's McDonald's or you know, it's whatever the Days Inn hotel you want people to remember. I wanted to remember my own ad campaign. So I started associating Kendrick Lamar. I love myself with my Can't be any time. I would player listen to that music I would get into this mindset of I am confident. I am powerful. I immediately felt that it triggered memory and emotion, which is really important. So I would run Kendrick Lamar when I was while I was launching my campaign, but whenever I was in my car listening it was like I was running my campaign. This is how it works like subliminal. So I picked Kendrick Lamar now the next thing I need a call to action and in the old days and media, it might be coming today to buy McDonald's burgers for 99 cents. Okay, that's a call to action a reason to do something now. Mine was every time I see fear. I see a green light and that means go not a red light. It's a green light. So in my mind, I would Envision a green light in my call to action is the minute I feel fear I step right into it. So I was training myself to take action around moving into fear not moving away from it, which is what I have been doing. So figure out what calls action you need to Behavior that's going to get you to where you want to go. And then finally what I did was I added a visual component and I have it actually right over there. It's a life-size cutout of me in a red dress with a giant smile and it screams confidence to me and it could be whatever image you want to use it screams confidence to you. It doesn't have to be of you. It could be a picture of me. It could be a picture of Wonder Woman. I don't it could be whoever you want, but it has to scream confidence and you have to see it and really feel and And that and so for me I would run my ad campaign while looking at my cutout and that's the visual component individual piece because now we have song we have memory. We have powerful words we'd call to action and we have a visual and that five step process if done consecutively and consistently over at least a 30 day period but 90 days will work better. You will achieve your goal. So for me my goal is to elicit confidence within me and I created enough confidence within me with Ad campaign my media campaign in order to stand up to my villain and ultimately fire her from my life. That's its that's such an inspiring and amazing story and and I think for everybody listening, you know, if if you're in a dark place, right because I think especially in our society right now, there's so much negativity out in the General Media and we live in a place where people are afraid to do things because of the Judgment of others and I think that those 5 Steps Steps add so much value to people that maybe don't have the self-worth that they used to have and so I really really appreciate you sharing that and and again you got it. You got to see this Ted talk because it inspired me so much that I have to keep watching it to take the notes the ask these questions because I really I really really was curious about you know, how all this came to fruition and I applaud you for firing your villain, you know, and and you know, I hope that You know as you continue to have these successes in accolades, I'm hoping that she's looking at you like man. I made the worst mistake. I could have made him business with letting was letting her go, you know, here's a deal with the greatest thing for you A lot of people. Ask care about her right? She didn't like me. She didn't want me there and for a long time I tried to fight that and you know show what a great worker I was but the bottom line is results speak for themselves and the stock was trading over $10 a day. She fired me, I believe now. It's a $2 and that doesn't make me happy right? I don't Revel in others loss. However, it teaches me a great lesson, which is people who are successful in business will succeed where ever they are placed and when you make good decisions work hard Step into your talents you will succeed and I really am feeling very successful as an entrepreneur. I didn't know I could do that. But I knew I could run companies and Corporate America successfully and I've done that for a long time. Now I branched out and I took my unique talents and stepped into them in a different Lane and I realized there are no Lanes you can go wherever you want to show up as a unique you put the work in do the research ask for help and you'll be wowed by what you create. That's it. Yeah, and so, you know you Took you took a leap. I remember you saying that you were petrified right? Like you had just had your had your son right? And and you did you were like you didn't know what was going to happen. And so what kind of went through your mind when you decided and for those of you that haven't seen it again watch it. But when you decided not to sign either of those letters that were really made up for you to put you in two different lights that actually You yeah, that was a really hard that moment wasn't very hard because I had been creating confidence Within Myself. I knew what I needed to do that or that moment wasn't hard but walking out of there and dealing with the reality that I had just been thrust into or that I just thrust myself into that was hard, you know saying holy cow. Where am I gonna get money? How am I going to pay my bills next month? You know, I had built a very extravagant lifestyle in my son's and private school. I live in a high-rise a luxury high-rise on the ocean. I drive a BMW great like all these first world problems, but it was it was not easy sure. Really that that first month specifically was incredibly challenging because I was in this dark space and I didn't know where I was going where I used to think Corporate America was this well-lit space, which was very clear. And now what I've learned is everyday. I'm investing in myself every day. I am constantly building on and creating momentum and trusting my boss because now I bossy Me and getting better and great things are happening. That stuff wasn't happening when I was working with someone that really hated me was trying to hold me back. So in the end things are better, however, that transition period was really scary and very challenging absolutely and so who was the first person that you called when you left and it might not have been like immediately you called them, but maybe it was a couple hours after you got yourself composing you realize what you just did. But who do you remember the first person that you called and You know that that time was that was such a hard car ride home. I was crying with like bawling, you know, not bad. So I don't even think at first I probably didn't even call anyone at first. I was crying so hard I was so scared and I was just driving on the highway crying crying crying. So I don't know that I'd called anyone right away, but there's two calls. I remember three calls. I remember I had within those first couple of hours. I was engaged at the time and I had called my fiance to tell him that I just quit my big job that I'd be Not for 14 years and that I was freaking out I had called my ex-husband to let him know because I was in panic mode. What if I can't pay for my trip, you know, I was freaking out and that was the worst. He said to me if there's one person in the world that I know can reboot from anything. It's you you'll be fine and that pissed me off and then I also called I had one Mentor in that industry. I have other mentors but in that industry that I've been in media for a really long time and I called him crying to and just saying I can't believe this just happened and can you believe this? You know, just looking for some empathy really in some support? Okay. And so I know from you know from your Ted talk there was an officer right and you had mentioned that you in your twenties. You used to go jogging on your own and you ran into an officer one day and he said hey just just so you know, like when you're jogging on your own there could be a dog that starts to chase you and the quote. It the quote that he said is you know, you can't outrun an angry dog, but you can show dominance because that has that really stuck with you. All these years. Is that something to tell me my entire Ted Talk is true. Yeah, so that actually was a boyfriend. I dated a police officer in my early 20s my very early 20s and he was the one that said to me one day. Hey, I'm getting worried. You're always out alone all hours of the day and night, you know, you're always running alone's I'm scared of dogs going to come. For you and I didn't bring that into the Ted talk because I am no longer dating that person. He's married to someone else. It was really irrelevant. But yeah, he had taught me that the only way to handle an angry dog coming at you is not to run away but to run at it and show dominance and that's the analogy or the correlation which is really that I have been trying to outrun that nasty woman and run away and it was a realization. It had when I was driving over there to meet with her. Why was I running away from her? You can't outrun an angry dog, but you can show your dominance over and that was that Epiphany moment for me going there that I didn't know what I was walking into. I didn't know she was going to fire me, but I knew I wasn't running away from her anymore. And that's and that's awesome. It's awesome that you were able to kind of correlate the two and then use that as your power right to make that decision. That was probably the has to be the scariest. Asian you know that you had made up into that up into that point. Well, hang on I'm divorced. I had a baby a group Port is that the scariest thing I've ever done. No, it does not because these are again first world problems in the moment. It seems like everything is ending really if I can't pay my bills. I moved to a smaller plate. I mean you don't even it's not what you want to do. But like when you're I have perspective now, I'm not in the moment. I'm two years after it so I can laugh about it. Yes, I was. Devastated here's why I thought I lost everything that day. However, what I've learned in what's important for other people to know is the only thing she could take for me was my paycheck. She could not take anything else. She couldn't take my network couldn't take my expertise couldn't take my experiences couldn't take my inner worth my value couldn't take my unique talents couldn't take my reputation. She couldn't take any of those things. So yes, I lost a paycheck that day, but I didn't lose anything else. That's awesome. And that's great perspective to have Rye looking back at it and realizing that it was just it was just money, you know and money can be replaced you like like you said if that can be replaced all those other things never left you which is which is awesome. And so, you know, what's one piece of advice that you want to give your son. His name is Dylan, right? I believe I saw that on your website. So I'm a father of four and I've got two boys two girls. Yeah. I know. Yeah, you know I've my oldest is a freshman in high school and he's at that age where I'm constantly trying to give him advice now, right? It's like, you know, I don't want you to be the 25 year old that has unlimited Uber. You know, I don't want to be giving him things. I want to give him life advice so that he rose up and he becomes a decent human being and I find it hard. But so I try to give them all this advice. So what's one piece of advice that you want to give your son you as he's as he gets a little bit older and is able to and things that's one piece of advice that you'd want to give him in Life or in business that you think will carry carry him a long way. Yeah, we're talking about this recently. He did an exercise in school and health class this past week where they asked all the children to write down. What is self-esteem and self-worth? What does that mean to you? And what how do you base that like how explain to us? You know why you have self-esteem and what's special about you and he wrote a lot about being funny being Nice and being good at basketball. And so he and then they went around to the other kids, which is this is an amazing experience and lesson for anyone they went to the other kids and said, okay. Now you write a note to this boy and say what you think is special about him and they all did that for one another which is all about, you know, gratitude and showing what's great about people and so wonderful exercise. However, he gets this whole stack of little notes and they all say here are so funny. You're so great at basketball. And so we talked a little bit yesterday about how that's true. Ooh, he's like the funniest person. I know and he is an amazing basketball player, but maybe one year. He's going to have a tough year. He's broken a leg already and he during season and so he's get he's starting to learn that even though there is a lot of value and focus put on the fact that he's you know, one of the best basketball players. He still was a good player when he broke we still good person when he broke his leg. It doesn't have to just singularly be that and there's complexities to all of us, you know, I might be a good speaker and maybe now Say oh, you're only going to get your worth from your Ted Talk and you know, it matters the views Matt you correlate that with your self-esteem. It's important that we all take a step back to say if I gave my best in went out on the circle. That's what matters to me not at the end of the day what other people think of it, but that I felt good about it. And that's the kind of thing. I talked to him a lot about and he talks to me about it, too. I was in the airport the day before Thanksgiving with him and I saw that my TED Talk dropped and the them is you don't ever want a tedtalk dropping near a holiday because nobody's watching and you know, there's a number of other things. It was just horrible timing and I started crying and my son said what is wrong with you and I saw honey. This is like the worst luck ever. I have no controlled No One's Gonna see it. I don't know how we're gonna get I worked so hard and here it is. Everything went wrong. And he said, all right. Mom. Stop number one will come up with a solution like take a deep breath. Let's take a step back. Can we create a solution here if the let's not worry about this today? Because we can't fix it today and not on Thanksgiving. I'll come Friday morning. Let's Implement that plan and strategy that you had and we'll pick right back up again. We still can have success with this and it took him he had that great perspective that I lost in the moment because sometimes we lose it when we're the one that's knee-deep in it and he was right, you know, I really rebooted my original strategy on Monday morning after the holiday instead of implementing. It when you know I had wanted to which was right when it came out. Yeah, and what brilliant advice so how old is he now? He's 1212. I mean so I mean if you're listening what brilliant advice from a twelve-year-old right to have for one the forethought to actually say that to his mom right that he I'm sure he loves you and looks up to you and to be able to say that and then to be able to get you to say, you know, you're right, you know, I can't control the uncontrollable. I can't. So when these when these things happen and that's it's so interesting because that happens a lot in life. And I think that a lot of us can get stuck in our own head when it comes to things like that. So that's amazing that that he was able to at 12 years old be able to give you that context and how help you reframe your mindset in the moment. Yeah. It was super appreciative about that. Awesome job Dylan if you ever see this or listen to this, so is he a big Miami? A Heat fan on you guys were down in Miami. Did you get to go to games? And who's his favorite player in the NBA Zia Bronson right now? That's awesome. So how has your life changed from after conquering your villain? Oh, wow, you know I literally and I say this in a TED talk when you fire your villain you literally take off and I again, I didn't know it at the time it wasn't I mean Next day, I posted online that post went viral suddenly people started showing up everywhere asking if they could help suddenly froggy from the Elvis 3M showed tweeted at me. I want to help you and I tweeted back get me on Elvis Duran and he did, you know, all these amazing things started happening out of nowhere that I couldn't believe because amazing things like that didn't happen to me back when I was surrounded with a villain sure. Okay. So what is the biggest lesson? Okay, as we're approaching we've only got you were less than a month left in 2019. So what's the biggest lesson that you've learned in 2019? I mean, it's spheres a green light. That means go always step into your fears your answer. I was so scared going out the scariest thing. I did this year was my TED Talk. I was so scared. There are so many restrictions on a TED Talk. You can't leave the circle. You're supposed to tell a personal story, but don't make it about you. You have to wrap an idea around it. The title is ever there's so much pressure and restriction. It's not like a normal talk and I ended up getting so stressed out about it and so afraid and I close my eyes right before I was about to go out and I just said Heather. If you don't walk out there right now, you will never forgive yourself if you walk out there and bomb I'm going to be so proud of you and I just took all the pressure off myself and I just walked out there and I and after when it was all done, I was just so grateful that I just stepped into it and trusted me instead of you know, putting all this pressure and fear in my head. I walked right into it. That's awesome. Very very cool. So I'm a huge fan of quotes on LinkedIn. I post a lot of quotes and I like to ask contextual questions that elicit a response to get my audience engaged and I also come up with original quotes and post them in hopes that other people get inspired. So do you have a favorite quote? Oh my gosh, there's so many when you are a threat. You will always be a Target that's mine from from my talk. No, I you know turning a blind eye to bad behavior is never the answer. That's another one from my talk that I really I've been seeing people post it like crazy on LinkedIn, but for quotes that I like from others, I would say that I really like the Steve Jobs quote around connecting the dots and how it's impossible to connect the dots on the Looking forward but when you are years ahead you can look back and suddenly see how they all made sense and that's really come full circle with me, you know in regards to getting fired and to firing my villains and you know, all of that because during the time it didn't feel good. But now that I look back I turn that, you know full circle and I actually make that my platform that is really the center of my messaging so it all worked out in the end. So even though you can't see what's Happening and what lies ahead for you right now? It's kind of trusting in yourself and the universe to keep moving forward and believe in yourself because one day you will look back and you'll say okay now I get it. I see how it all worked out. Absolutely. Okay. So what's one hidden talent that you have that most people don't know you actually have and so this can go back to kindergarten or Elementary or middle school. Is there is there something that most people wouldn't know about Heather. Oh my gosh, there's so many Thanks, so I'm secretly a rapper. Like I always wanted to be a white rapper. It's ridiculous. And I tried to get Jesse and sort of wrap with me when we were speaking together at a conference in Boston this summer. He wouldn't do it which was super upsetting a really good hip-hop dancer Thug Life till the end. I am very very funny and a lot of people don't know that I've been realizing lately because I speak a lot about business and you know I speak in In very serious ways often times, but actually anyone who really knows me knows I'm a total knucklehead and I'm always doing pranks and having fun and actually joking around a lot. It's good. Yeah, it's important I posted about the on LinkedIn recently. It was like he, you know, don't take yourself. So seriously all the time like it's super important that that you have fun and that you can make fun of yourself and and that you can just be a kid and you know as a father of four, it's I have to be that like I have to keep myself. You know and I'm 38 and and I gotta almost 15 year-old. So but they keep me they keep me young right they keep you fresh. So Instagram, I think I read an article. I think it was I can't remember if it was maybe sprinkle sprinkler or sprinkle somebody interviewed you and they ask you what your what your favorite social media Outlet was and and this I think it was maybe a year ago or so. And you said Instagram, is that still? Your favorite Oka. Okay. So that's that's shifting is LinkedIn is definitely my favorite now for sure. Okay, awesome awesome. And so for I actually just started creating content on LinkedIn back in April of this year. And Linkedin is my absolute favorite platform as well because like before I logged in an April, I always looked at LinkedIn as the place where you upload your like you update your resume and yeah graduating people on their new promotion, and I looked at it just Like this business platform and it's just amazing what it is really morphed into I logged in an April when I started seeing people posting videos and I started seeing articles and slideshares and all these amazing things happening and I looked at myself and I said like why am I not doing this? Why am I not creating content? I have expertise in this area. So why don't I start sharing about this? So what would your advice to be for people? You know that were like me that looked at it and we're kind of scared. Where'd you know? I actually I'm a public speaker and a trainer for a living and I was so afraid to hold that camera and hit record and post my first video because of what people would think or people say man. What is this guy? And you know, I was really afraid of that judgment. So what would you say to the audience is listening that you know as LinkedIn continues to be this Powerhouse of over 670 million users and there's a there you really can't over saturate. It is one. I've noticed like I'm posting two or three pieces of content a day. What would your advice be for someone that's you know, maybe a little afraid to take that first take that first video and post it. So you need an accountability partner anyone that I know my life that so I'm nervous. I can't do this. I say to them you have a deadline I'm giving you a deadline you have one week. I'm getting you to put that up there and you find someone in your life that will hold you accountable. If you don't have someone you can go to my website Heather Monahan.com and click on the free accountability partner tab. You'll get an email from me every morning saying you need to execute on this. Here's the thing fear is a green light. That means go. What is the worst that can happen? You will not die. If you post a piece of content to LinkedIn and you don't get any likes, right you're doing it for you anyway, and the whole way I started posting video was a friend of mine wanted to film an interview as me and I said, okay and he posted he uploaded it. And he said are you going to upload it to I said, no. I don't really do much with video. I just hadn't done any and he said why not I said, I don't know. I don't really have you know a Timur he's like who cares? Why wouldn't you just use your phone? I said, I don't know because I'm not a video and I just hadn't thought of him. Like I don't know. I'm just not a video guy but whatever excuse I had and he challenged me said well, who do you think will get more views me are you and then I I'm a competitive person so suddenly I was like, ah, you're holding me accountable. All right, I'm gonna go home. I'm gonna get more views and you to figure out what drives you make sure you surround yourself with people that support you and hold you accountable and make a commitment and if you can't do it Put on social media on a pose I even put my first video out on another platform. I love you to support me. I'd love it. If you'd share it would mean the world to me and I'm happy to help you to any way. I can you know, just put yourself out there. Let it be known. What's the worst that can happen? That's also that's such awesome advice and and and I kind of found and unintentional accountability partner on LinkedIn. There's a guy named Brian Scholl many, he's an entrepreneur in San Diego. He owns a company called voice your Vibe which is super positive and he does a segment called. It's good Wednesday, and it's literally all about seeing what's good in your life. And then on Saturday, he does shout out Saturday and it's shout out people that you've talked to and had meaningful conversations with and watching him. It inspired me to want to create that first video, but I was like a lot of people where I remember I posted it and I would go back like every five minutes to see how many views it had and I think all three views were me you know, and I kept and so I finally was like Jordan, what are you doing? Like Who cares about the views it's really about creating a piece of content that hopefully it can Inspire one person. And when I started looking at that from that framework, I noticed that people started engaging and people started following and so that's really really great advice to have that accountability partner. So I'm in kind of a unique position. I have a 9:00 to 5:00. I'm in Corporate America like you were not not anywhere as high as you are. So I applaud you for what you were able to accomplish that. I also have a Consulting business. I started three years ago. And originally I started it. It was predicated off the Myers-Briggs type indicator assessment. I'm a certified practitioner and I said what a beautiful business to start to help people take an introspective. Look at themselves understand how they're wired and use that information to to become better versions of themselves and then it kind of died down, you know, I was like, oh I'm gonna have this awesome business and then it just it kind of went down a little bit and so When I got active on LinkedIn, I started getting all these messages from people that said hey do you offer this service you offer this? Can you help me with this? And I kept saying no. No no until one day I said, why don't I start saying? Yes, and so my goal is to I want to I want to is soon as I feel that I'm ready launch and do that full time. But so what's your advice for someone like me and four other listeners that are out there that you know, you have this business that's You know, it could because I look at him like man. I think I could be doing a lot better than I am. But I'm still I'm still a little afraid to kind of like, you know Go full Full Tilt. So what advice would you have for someone like me and anyone else in the audience that you know, maybe is like hesitant to make that jump away from Corporate America? Yeah. So we'll number one. As long as you're in Corporate America. You are not safe. Any company can be sold your manager can leave and someone else can come in and you Be fired because you are not that new persons guy. So even though it seems well-lit and safe. It is a scam. It is not as I want everyone to know that when you're investing in yourself. That's when you're you know, that's where you should be. So any time outside of work you're doing what you have to do until you can do what you want to do. Keep investing in yourself outside of our keep investing in educating yourself at the company will pay for that great lean into that capitalize on those opportunities build your own personal brand build your business outside of their on the weekends at night. Whenever you have time and give yourself and you want to hold yourself accountable to some goals. Where are you going to be by the end of q1 in 2020? Where do you want to be by the end of Q2? You know, how are you going to get there build out a plan and strategy and if you don't make yourself a priority no one else is going to your employer is not going to say. Oh, how is that side business going? They don't care. So you need to make it your number one priority and where you put your focus is where your attention goes your energy goes and where your results will be. So instead of giving Up more for your nine to five give up more for you because that's the long-term investment. And that's the investment that's really going to pay because when you invest in you you brought in your brand you brought in your network. You can bring that to your own business to another company to a charity wherever you want to go. Make sure you're investing in you not in the company that you work for 9 to 5, and that's such amazing advice and I'm glad that you said that because that's actually what I've been doing. I've been putting in 15 to 20 hours like if early in the mornings I I get up and then when my family falls asleep, I'm like plugging away at night and I'm working on you know building that that brand and so I you know hearing it from you who you know, you've done it like you you fired your boss and then now you're two years removed in your thriving so it's so like amazing to hear that from somebody that has actually done it, you know, because I have friends and they're like, wow, you're you're not gonna not gonna do anything with it, you know, and so you All these naysayers and even family members that are like well, yeah, but what if you like but you have benefits and you have all these things and so that's so good for me to here's so that I can just say, you know what I'm doing my own thing and I think being quiet is probably better and just doing right like doing in underneath everything and then just when I launched then people will actually know what I do. So, is that something that you would recommend as well? Yes, sir. Blakeley says that you know the founder of Spanx she said I was so quiet. I told no one I didn't want to hear people's negative ideas. I didn't want to hear that I couldn't do it. I decided I will work on this in silence and keep my idea. So close and safe to me until it's big enough that I can explode it to the world and she said she's so grateful. She did it that way. Yeah, and then look at her now, right? I mean she I follow her only billion dollars. It's insane, you know, and and she's just such an amazing inspiration to A lot of people and so really I want to end our conversation with you know, what is what is a piece of advice that you would give someone that I mean like today, you know, they're thinking about leaving but they just they don't know the right steps to take. I mean, like maybe it's they've listened to your podcast or they see your Ted Talk and they get inspired and they realize that they're in that situation. They have that micro manager of a supervisor. What what advice would you give as kind of Step 1. I mean invest in yourself invest in your brand put it out there on social media. I'm so grateful. I did those things before I got fired. So I had built up a following and a network because those are the people that are going to help you to take off. You need to let your inner circle know what you're working on. You need to follow people and connect with people that are where you want to be not people who are going to want to keep you safe in our I prayed for you. You need to have conversations with people that are light years ahead of you. And if you don't know them follow them on social media. You can consume their YouTube channel their podcast read their books immerse yourself in that way of thinking and you will learn their steps. You will learn what worked for them. And then you can piece the best out of each person's plan and make it work for you. You can decide to create your own plan through all that information that's available out there and there's so much information out there. It's about taking action and taking steps now and I really I love that because you know when I when I decided to launch a podcast I told myself I said I want to I want to write down, you know, the top 10 people that I would love to interview and you were one of those people thank you and I remembered like saying to myself like one part something on this shoulder was like she's not even get a respond to you. You know, she's not going to message you back and then the other one was like what do you have to lose? You know, no means like next opportunity, right? So if I did get a no I wasn't going to be Disappointed and then I just said you know what? Let me let me just ask like what is it? What is it hurt to ask like she's a human. She like she went through some some crazy things and look at her now. So and I'm so glad that you did say yes. I mean you've interviewed people that I aspire to be like Gary vaynerchuk and David Meltzer and and all these people and you know, the fact that you know, you took the time today to, you know engage with me and and provide this amazing. Valued my audience. I just wanted to say thank you so much. It's been an honor to get to have this time with you happy to do it and best of luck with your show. Thank you so much. Hey everyone. Thanks so much for listening that episode with Heather Monahan. Wow, is she inspirational? Her story is just so impactful and it has me fired up to hit some goals that I want to hit. So hopefully it inspired you as well. If it added value to you, please please share the podcast and go ahead and write it if you have some time. Thanks again, and I can't wait for the next episode.

In this episode I had the pleasure of interviewing Heather Monahan. Heather Monahan is a best-selling author, keynote speaker, entrepreneur and founder of Boss In Heels. Having successfully climbed the corporate ladder for nearly 20 years, Heather Monahan is one of the few women to break the glass ceiling and claim her spot in the C-suite. As a Chief Revenue Officer in Media, Heather Monahan is a Glass Ceiling Award winner, named one of the most Influential Women in Radio in 2017 and Thrive Global named her a Limit Breaking Female Founder in 2018. Heather’s new book Confidence Creator shot to #1 on Amazon’s Business Biographies and Business Motivation lists the first week it debuted on Amazon. Heather is a confidence expert and is currently working with Fortune 500 companies and professional sports to develop confidence in the workplace and on the court. She’s also a member of Florida International University’s Advisory Council to further serve as a mentor and leader in the South Florida Community. Heather and her son Dylan reside in Miami. Connect with Heather!

Hello. Thanks for listening to the embodied astrology month ahead. Audio horoscopes for Leo season. This is Renee Sills your astrologer and host of the embodied astrology podcast along with these horoscopes. Please make sure to listen to embodied astrology for Leo season this special episode called glow time focuses on Leo in the body in life and love and relationships and experiences everybody. He carries Leo in their bodies. Everybody has Leo in their charts. And in this episode, I'll offer some attunements and healing practices for working with Leo in yourself. And in your life. Also, please remember to check back in with me at the new moon and the full moon this month for some lunar Attunement practices on July 31st. We have a new moon in Leo and on August 15th. We have a full moon in Aquarius and both of those days. I'll be putting out meditations or embodiment rituals to You are tuned with these lunar cycles. I want to offer a huge. Thank you to subscribers subscribers. 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Now as always I just want to encourage you to listen with an open mind horoscopes are a general kind of art. There are a ton of people on the planet and there are not only twelve kinds of people. So as I offer your horoscope, I'm offering General suggestions and the energy that I'm receiving from the chart may or may not be applicable to you in exactly the way that I speak it. So, please listen for the sentiment or the Symbolism and what I'm saying apply it to yourself intuitively if you associate to something that I'm saying, that's the right thing. You can go down that road. Listen a couple of times ask questions to yourself kind of consider all the different ways that you could think about what I'm offering and always take what works leave the rest. Remember that these horoscopes are simply suggestions here for your best benefit and positive Evolution. I want to encourage you to listen to the horoscopes for at least Your son and your rising sign your sun sign is the season that you are born. It's what you answer when someone asks. Hey, what's your sign? Your rising sign is the time of day. You were born not everybody has this information, and so if you don't know your rising sign your sun sign is awesome to listen to some people really get into listening for their Moon signs for their Venus signs. There are all different signs for all the planets in your chart and really many of the horoscopes could speak to you. So I hope you oil, whichever ones you listen to Hello Gemini. Welcome to your audio horoscope and month ahead forecast for Leo season Leo season begins on July 22nd. It completes on August 22nd. And for you Leo rules the solar third house. The solar third house has a lot to do with Gemini. Actually Gemini's third sign and this place in the chart rules Communications siblings neighbors how you are socialized how your minds develops your cognitive? How you continue to be socialized and learn I think of this place in the chart really as the mind and of course the mind is expansive everything that we experience in our lives comes through the filter of the Mind as the sun moves into Leo it joins with Mars and over the course of Leo season Mercury and Venus both also join up with the sun and Mars in Leo. So this summer we've got all the personal Janet's kind of traveling together and this brings a lot of attention to whatever area of Life all of them are traveling through so throughout the course of Leo season. There's a lot of emphasis for you on Communications on expression on expressing yourself from a heartfelt space from your centrality Leo as a sign rules the heart and the spine and its Essence is courageous. It takes courage to express oneself. It takes courage to be Authentic and truthful and Leo in its most exalted and its most positive capacity is very courageous. It shows itself. It offers its heart. It is honest as transparent. It's truthful and quite warm over the course of Leo season, you have the opportunity to expand your sense of social connections. There's a lot happening in the fire signs this season Jupiter is in Sagittarius. It's if you've been listening to your horoscopes, you know that this part of your chart has to do with others with your important relationships with your committed Partnerships. And with you in the world as a social being Chiron is an Aries Aries rules your 11th house. This is the place of friends networks your broader Social Circles and how you position yourself in a greater social whole so all of the fire signs are acting together this month bringing a lot of energy into your connections into your communication into your Nation ships throughout the course of the month. The fire science will be aspecting earth and water quite a bit earth and water move down and in Fire and are like Gemini move up and out. So the aspects that are being made this month may bring some tension with them. There may be some friction for you in the space between your connections with other people the need for you to express within those connections, perhaps to express yourself a little bit differently or to engage. Lately, there's a lot of energy for you to be social this month that feels really fun at the same time. The aspects that are being made are calling on you to get in touch with your feelings and to be really practical and of course sometimes fun and feelings or fun and practicality really don't fit together very obviously. So as you move through your month just be aware of your Basic Energy you want to give yourself lots of room to express the seems like a really fun month for a lot of You at the same time I tends to your responsibilities and see if you can find a good balance as we get into the month as I mentioned on July 22nd the sun moves into Leo and then on the 27th Venus follows Venus is the planet of Love wherever Venus is, there's sweetness. There's magnetism. There's good-natured Miss Venus in your third house brings a lot of friendliness into your clothes in connections this could mean Mean siblings neighbors friends who you see fairly often. This could also be co-workers. This is a place where we kind of interact with people a little bit because they're around. So how were interacting on the day-to-day again, this is a place where I think of of being socialized and so our social experiences that our day-to-day not entirely exceptional but regular or normal. I'm actually going to boost from Venus. This could be really nice for your general mood. This could also be a really nice for your communication. And for those of you who are working with your communication. You can use Venus's support right now to bring Beauty and elegance into your words and what you're expressing on July 31st. There's a new moon in Leo a new moon is always a great time to set intentions for a new cycle or a new beginning the cycle that begins on the 31st could be thought of of as a 12-month cycle from the new moon in Leo and 2019 to the new moon and Leo and 2020 think ahead. How do you want to work with your communication over the course of the next year? How are you developing your mind. What is going on in your mind these days Gemini is known for being a very mental sign all of the movement through Leo this month suggest that you have a lot of creativity and possibility for For romance for enthusiasm and optimistic thinking and you might want to think about how over the course of the next 12 months you can position these kinds of sentiments or perspectives for your best benefit. The fire signs working together suggest opportunity that comes from good-natured - that comes from enthusiasm on July 31st Mercury also turns Direct in cancer. Yuri had stationed retrograde in early Leo had made its way back into cancer and is now trading direct and we'll move back into Lyon a couple of days this retrograde stimulated, of course your third house where Leo is this is the house of communication and the mind and cancer for you rules the house of values value systems and earned income so this is a place where you sustain yourself and also where you choose what sustains you what is valuable to you, what do you invest in The course of the retrograde there may have been some important realizations in this area that also have to do with your social experiences. You may understand a little bit more about your own energy how you want to be in giving and receiving Dynamics with people who are important to you. What kind of time you need or what kind of experiences you want to have that you're willing to put your time into this kind of reflection on your values may also innate some mental Tendencies for you. Maybe you've noticed that you're spending a lot of time thinking about certain things that you don't necessarily want to be thinking about there might be patterns around anxiety or other kinds of mental preoccupation that you're recognizing you can let go of and perhaps part of what allows you to let go of them is some new kind of emotional understanding around yourself and again around your time and your interactions so as mercury turns directly. Back to you may be ready to have any important Communications that you need to have with people with situations that allow you to free up your mental energy a little bit more. Please check back in with me on the new moon. I always offer some kind of New Moon support a ritual meditation or an embodiment on August 11th Jupiter turns Direct in your opposite sign Sagittarius Jupiter has been retrograde since April 10th. This retrograde has brought a reflective capacity into to the space on your chart that has to do with important relationships committed Partnerships in your social self for the last four months think back on experiences that you've been having in the social realm and with any important Partners what Jupiter wants ultimately is for you to grow in your capacity in yourself knowing and your understanding and in the meaning you're making there is quite a lot that's been going on for you over the last couple of years. It's asking You to stretch your capacity for intimacy for vulnerability. There is a lot of demand I think on your integrity these days especially in relationship this spring and summer you may have had some important understandings about how you function and relationship and how you learn and grow through them as Jupiter turns direct it will start to make its way through the rest of its course through Sagittarius and in December will enter the following assign Capricorn over the course of these next five months or so, you'll have the chance to really apply any lessons that you learned and to continue of course learning them, but now putting them into action also in August 11th year rawness turns retrograde and Taurus Taurus is the sign that immediately precedes yours and this sign for you describes the Deep unconscious the kind of invisible space in the chart where you access The collective energy where you access the spiritual realm some astrologers call it the house of cell phone doing because it is where we lose a sense of separate self. That's where the ego dissolves you're honest here brings Awakening brings Revelation it brings Innovation since this past spring you're honest has been stimulating this part of your chart. This is quite a long Transit. The planet will be here for the next seven years my sense of what this Transit can mean for you. Are you is a big expansion in terms of your psychic capacity? For those of you who are working with your psychic sense. This can also bring a lot of breakthrough and understanding of your deeper psychology deeper habits and patterns and how you've been in trained. So if we think back to the meaning of Leo for you and your chart how you've been socialized how you've been taught to learn and how you've learned to. Think this movement with your honest actually might illuminate quite a lot for you in terms of very early conditioning societal cultural familial influences. Your honest will be retrograde until January of 2020 and it turns Direct on the same day that a really important Transit happens. And if you've been checking in with me for a while you're familiar with the conjunction of Saturn and Pluto of coming in January 2020 over this next. A span of time five months or so that you're honest is retrograde Saturn and Pluto are moving into an exact conjunction and for you this movement this Transit brings a lot of intensity into your deeper psychological spaces. This is the subconscious realm as well as the unconscious realm. There may be a lot of content surfacing for you that becomes available after having not been probably for your whole life or maybe for most of your life. Really deeply buried memories could surface again. You might have understandings or realizations about how you have become the person that you've become this could be intense. Of course, whenever we come into contact with these parts of our beings. There's quite a lot to unpack. There's a lot of processing to do. I really want to encourage you to be working with guides and helpful professionals therapists are great for you right now journaling. Checking in with astrology with tarot with other forms that are going to help you contextualize your experiences. I really can't recommend that enough at the moment and it seems like you're really ready and ripe for some pretty important breakthroughs and a lot of spiritual growth a lot of psychological growth. Also on August 11th, very big day in the world of astrology Mercury will re-enter Leo as mercury comes into Leo, of course it joins Venus and Mars and the Already there this brings your ruling planet the planet of communication of mental intellect and cognition into the third house of communication of mental intellect and cognition. So all of these planets are now moving through your third house. There's a ton going on in the mental space a ton going on in the social and communicative spaces. I think all of this energy could be really fun again. There can be a lot going on for you socially. A lot of friends a lot of interactions, but there could also be some overwhelm and I really want to encourage you to let your brain relax, especially as we get into the later half of August. There's just so much filling your attention. You definitely want to be having fun. If you're having fun your brain is probably relaxed. But if there's a lot going on and you really stimulated this summer or winter depending on which hemisphere you're listening from. Please make sure that you do give yourself some downtime that you're getting enough. Leap that you are getting enough quiet and space where you can reflect on August 15th. There's a full moon in Aquarius a full moon is always an opposition. So the moon will be Illuminating. All of the Leo energy Aquarius is the opposite sign is Leo for you Aquarius rules, the solar ninth house. This place has to do with big Vision Adventure higher meaning philosophical and spiritual Quest sits. Where you reach it. How you discover your purpose? It's thinking about the kind of meaning that you want to make for your life and what it is that you're here to pursue. This is an exciting full moon. That's my feeling of it. Aquarius is a fellow are sign and this might bring some interesting Revelation illumination or ideas about longer-term purpose opportunities ways that you can expand there may be opportunities for Unit travel or some kind of stimulation for you to really be broadening your perspective around the full moon on August 15th. Mercury's Shadow is also complete that means its retrograde cycle is fully finished think back on the last two months or so Mercury is retrograde cycle. Its shadow began on the summer solstice. That was June 21st. So as you reflect back on these last two months just consider any ideas that you've had for new. Ooh projects or ways that you want to again be engaging socially how you want to be using your mind any Revelations that you've had around your own energy things that you've been thinking about starting our Now astrologically supported to move forward on August 17th. Mars will move into Virgo on August 21st, Venus will move into Virgo and then on August 23rd, the sun will move into Virgo a couple days after that mercury will also move into Virgo so we've got this Movement now of all the personal planets traveling into your 4th house. The fourth house is the place of Home family bonding and anchored nests as we move into the last week of Leo season, there's support for you to get grounded to get routed to start thinking about stability in different ways this coin sides and kind of moves with this process that I had mentioned before about this. Psychological subconscious and unconscious awareness that's growing for you as we get into the end of the summer. You may have some important understandings about how you can support your own psychology mental well-being and spiritual well-being. It's important or will be important at this time for you to give yourself. Whatever it is that you need to help stabilize you and this maybe connection with family paying attention to your home engaging in activities that Really grounding or giving yourself some kind of practice or other kind of space where you can just connect with whatever it is to you that feels like an anchor and that feels like a root check back in with me on August 23rd for the month ahead for Virgo season, and that's what I have for you for now. If you're interested in more astrology, please look at my subscriber options, you can subscribe by donation at any amount and you'll get an Ended forecast for the entire month of Leo season going through all the planetary transits and lunar cycles. This is not sign specific, but it will give you a lot of information to work with. Thanks so much for listening Gemini. Happy Leo season. Bye for now.

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When it comes to Healing, I'm sure you've all considered the implications of keeping a wound clean ensuring that we don't allow bacteria to enter preventing infection Etc. But how often have you considered the importance of nutrition in healing? Welcome to the heal their skin podcast. I'm Marni your host. And today I'm speaking with Fiona tuck nutritional medicine practitioner and founder of Vitus all if your own attack has over 25 years of experience. It's in skin care and wellness industry and is known in the media as the mythbuster of the nutrition world. The owner is an accomplished businesswoman author nutritional medicine practitioner skincare expert yoga teacher and an accredited member of the Australian traditional medicine Society her in-depth knowledge and insight into future Trends within the wellness industry has made her a sought-after media commentator and Fiona regularly appears on Australian National Television. Asian including Channel 7's The Morning Show Sunrise Network ten Studio 10 today tonight the daily Edition and most currently as a resident nutrition expert for the Today Show extra Channel 9. Fiona is the author of the book The forensic nutritionist and she devotes the majority of her time giving Wellness talks commentating in the media and running her whole food nutrition vehicle range Vitus all Fiona shares how her journey into nutrition Have you point of prevention over q r and the importance of optimal nutrition during recovery of major surgery or aesthetic treatments that are quite intensive or invasive. I started by asking for Llorona what she thought was the biggest misconception about nutrition and healing bling. Well, I think probably the biggest misconception is that it doesn't really matter what we eat because the body is going to heal itself. So I think probably what a lot of people don't realize is how important nutrition is when it comes not only to skin Health, but particularly when it comes to skin healing so if the skin is going through healing if there's any trauma for instance or if it's going That process of wound healing then the body will require more nutrients for that. So nutrition is going to affect the skin Health, but it's also going to directly affect skin healing so making sure we have adequate nutrition. It's particularly important when the skin is going through wound healing and can you tell us what happens nutritionally when someone undergoes trauma or major surgery more in the context of Aesthetic Surgery a or aesthetic procedures So lately it's so obviously when we go through any procedures when there's any kind of inflammation to the skin the skin is going to go through different phases of wound healing. So obviously we've got sort of inflammatory phases then it goes through phases of proliferation and then maturation if need be or it depends on what the actual treatment is what the client has. Had done and the degree of intensity as well and depending on how severe the trauma is if you like will depend on the nutrient requirement. So the more our immune system is involved The more stress some more inflammatory mediators come into play that means our nutrient requirements will go up as well. So to give you an example something like protein protein we need for. A lot of different responses within the body but proteins really vital to the healing process of the skin. It's also going to be involved in in a way the inflammatory process because it's there to support or in the inflammatory phase. Should I say because it's there to support things like platelet function is going to help with the fibroblast proliferation. It's also going to be involved in the wound remodeling it's going to help with things like lymphocytes collagen production. And even the Nation of new blood vessels or capillaries? So when we're looking at nutrition, there's so many different nutrients vitamins and minerals that are involved in all of those different different stages. For instance. We need things like the B vitamins which are going to help to moderate the local wound metabolism because we need energy for when things are repairing as well vitamin C. We know it's going to help with collagen it helps to stabilize. Legend and it's also going to increase the tensile strength of the wound tissues it's going to support free radicals damage as well that can actually happen when we get more inflammation in the skin. There's so many nutrients were involved by The Mindy vitamin K zinc iron copper and all of these are working across all of the different stages of wound healing whether it be via enzyme reaction or whether it be something iron needed to deliver. Oxygen to the tissues that's all very important. So if we're if we're not getting any of these specific nutrients, it may be that your iron deficient then that's going to affect how oxygen is delivered to the tissue. It's going to affect sort of energy generation from the cells. It's going to effect the transfer of iron to the tissues. And so that's going to result in slower wound healing and impaired wound healing so Key, individual nutrients are really important when it comes to looking at how we can support the wound healing process. How fascinating and can you walk us through the pathway of how nutrients are used in the body force a repair and remodeling which you've touched on a little bit already but just expand on that. Yeah. I mean when it comes to a pathway that there is no one single pathway because we know that everything in the body is interconnected. So one tiny little cut to the skin is then going to send a Cascade of reactions throughout the body. And so depending on what's actually occurring is going to depend on you know, that actual pathway that's going to occur. What's also interesting is we even now know that what goes on topically on the skin so if there's significant trauma You the surface of the skin something like a burn for instance that creates inflammatory mediators, which we now know can actually affect the lining of the gut and the gut cell Integrity which we used to think that the gut can affect this the rest of the body, but we never realized that now even what happens superficially to the skin maybe actually affecting us on a deeper level as well. Mmm, so it's just so interconnected so interconnected and what are some of the other nutrients that we need specifically in these times you mentioned proteins, but is it just might the micronutrients also macaroon nutrients that are important or a bit of both but both so it's so we need the macronutrients and micronutrients so protein we need it for as I said, you know, it's involved in even the immune system. It's also going to Fat osmotic pressure in the body. We need it for collagen synthesis and the granulation of tissue formation. So protein is crucial and ready the more traumatic the wound the more protein we're going to need so if it's something like a burn a protein requirement is significantly going to go up carbohydrates something that often get overlooked and they've been given quite a bad bad rap and with particularly things like refined carbohydrates, but we do need carbohydrates because carbohydrates are going to be converted into glucose and we need that for energy for tissue repair and tissue regeneration. So going completely carbohydrate free or cutting out carbohydrates isn't going to be beneficial we do need some but particularly, you know, the whole grains that are going to come with the added phytonutrients are going to be really beneficial and then of course Even fats we need fats which are essential component for healthy cell membranes. We need good fats for the synthesis of new cells. So getting the good fats into the diet is important as well. But prior to surgery certain fats like your Amiga three is we would need to reduce because they can affect blood clotting. So it does get quite complicated but things like vitamins and minerals. We know that At certain things like zinc iron copper all necessary for wound healing zinc's involved in lots of different enzyme reactions. It's also involved in protein synthesis. Even if you've got the protein we need to be able to break it down and then use it. We need sink for a healthy immune system as well. And so if somebody was say low in zinc that could actually inhibit wound healing but saying that if somebody's I'm really high levels of zinc and they're taking supplements in very very high doses that can also affect wound healing in a negative way because that could inhibit copper and we need copper as a cofactor for things such as angiogenesis and for the cross-linking of the collagen fibers to help rebuild the tissue so you can start to see that it it's actually a very very complex process and really it's about getting the nutrients. The right balance so they can work in Synergy together Mmm Yeah, I can see just how complex and how there can be complications occurring when we're treading that fine line. So Fiona, what food sources should we be looking at when we're looking at foods to help with wound healing? It really does come back to having a healthy whole food diet. So if we're looking at proteins to get those important amino acids we're looking at At good quality protein. So things such as fish eggs go that poultry legumes, you know lentils chickpeas are a really good sources of that. And then of course we want to be looking at things such as whole grains because what they're going to do is to help to provide a slow steady fuel source good quality carbohydrates, which are also going to give us those necessary nutrients as well fresh fruits and vegetables and a variety of Different color fruits and vegetables because each different color frequent vegetables is going to supply different nutrients and different phytochemicals. So that's also really important. Also we're going to be getting things like polyphenols which we know are also good for not only our skin and for our capillary has but also good for gut health as well. So get even getting in some of that Prebiotic fiber is going to be beneficial for gut health which is in turn in effect going. In to help with immune function and in contrast what are some things that we should avoid? I mean we might think of junk food, but are there other things that we might not have thought of that could perhaps inhibit healing or somehow have an effect on the healing ability what junk food isn't going to be beneficial particularly anything that is high in sugar because sugar does affect the immune system. Also, it will drive up our nutrient requirement, you know thinks Things like magnesium so lowering high sugar sugary drinks lowering highly processed foods because a lot of processed food, even if they are supposedly healthy foods are still highly processed and they can have a lot of sugar in them. They can have salt they can also have additives in there things like emulsifiers, which we now know can actually affect the gut microbiota which can therefore lead to more gut issues. It can throw off the gut Bacteria can put that out of balance that in turn can then cause knock on reactions things like gut dysbiosis. We can see inflammation within the gut as well. It can even affect the immune system. So trying to eat a whole food diet with a lots of Fresh Foods. It's really important cutting back on alcohol alcohol is going to affect the immune system. Our nutrient requirement is going to Up, and so ultimately that could impair wound healing as well and alcohol can thin the blood so definitely don't want to be having alcohol prior to any treatments or surgery or even post treatment then something like smoking which will impair wound healing but you know, if you're smoking and you're having a operation or you're having surgery or even if you're just having a skin treatment that is a little bit more invasive something like collagen induction. Auction therapy, then smoking is going to deplete important nutrients particularly things such as vitamin C and vitamin C. It's really important for collagen production. It's important for healthy capillaries. And so we're going to see impaired wound healing and what we can also see is sluggish lymphatics and so they can be more pre or post-operative swelling and edema as well. Mmm. So these would be some of the risks of not Taking in the required nutrients during times of healing that yeah, absolutely. So if we're not getting enough nutrients and we're going to see this poor wound healing or delayed or slower wound healing it could also mean that we're seeing more inflammation and we could also if we're having more inflammation than impaired wound healing we can be at more risk of infection and then obviously infection can lead to more serious complications. Oceans and we can even get more risk of scarring as well. Mmm. So I guess you've touched on how important it is to have the right nutrients when you're undergoing repair. What are some signs of nutrient or nutritional deficiency or depletion particularly in these more vulnerable times when we might be healing from something that is more intensive. Well, it does depend. I mean, it's different for everybody and different nutrients will have different. Signs of depression so sometimes it can go unrecognized because I think a lot of people can be depleted in nutrients and then just put something down as fatigue down to being tired when it could actually be a sign that you are low in certain nutrients things such as iron for instance. One of the first signs is tiredness. So I think it really is about start to become aware of your body even dry skin may be a sign. That you could be low in B vitamins are not getting enough essential fats in the in the diet. But common deficiency would be something like tiredness dry hair. You might be getting Flex of white flecks on the nails or reached fingernails. There will start to be signs there. It might be that the eyes are bloodshot dark circles under the eyes. It may be that the this sign of poor wound healing maybe purple marks on the Skin after a breakout or a little Mark which means that the skin is taking longer to heal those marks hang around for longer that would start to say that you would might indicate to me that you're low in nutrients. I mean really a good thing to do prior to having any treatment is to go and see a nutritionist to even have a blood test to test to make sure that you know key nutrients are depleted particularly things like Iron, looking at zinc as well, which icky when it comes to the wound healing and then making sure you are getting adequate amounts of antioxidants and things like vitamin C in your diet to actually assist with that. That's really good advice because I think if someone is undergoing whether it be reconstructive surgery plastic surgery or more intensive aesthetic treatments, they might not particularly even have had that discussion with that practitioner or their clinician about nutrition. So Yeah, really loves that you've highlighted that it is actually good to have a look in and have a bit more of an investigation into where you nutrition is currently sitting or where your levels are currently sitting before you undergo some of those treatments. You know, I've seen people with delayed and poor wound healing after treatments and things such as collagen induction therapy. I've actually seen people that have actually had permanent petechiae why because they've been so low in vitamin C and they've been a heavy smoker. Okay, so that's actually then contributed to being depleted in the vitamin C and the skin literally can't heal itself that angiogenesis that we need when we've got that formation of new capillary Network just cannot occur because there's not enough nutrients in the skin and where we've we've caused trauma to the skin rather than the skin heal itself. The skin has become, you know permanently left traumatized with permanent scarring so it Is really important and if somebody is even a heavy smoker, you know, 10 20 cigarettes a day certain treatments are but I wouldn't really hesitant to perform. It makes so much sense. So what kind of nutrition do for healing like it is just having good nutrition and good levels going to kind of ensure that we get the best healing outcomes or is it sometimes just a limitation and just a piece in the puzzle. Well having good nutrition is going to be really really crucial to having good wound healing something. I didn't mention which is probably overlooked quite often and it plays a huge role in wound healing is water. Now, you know, we all say about drink drink water for healthy skin, but water is one of the most essential things when it comes to good wound healing so making sure that we are adequately hydrated because if we have a lack of moisture at the surface of the whoa And that can actually halt cellular migration. It can decrease blood oxygenation and it can actually quite seriously delay wound healing and that's why again, you know having high sodium diet can actually be, you know, have a negative effect as well so we can become dehydrated by having too much sodium. So making sure we are adequately hydrated is really important and actually upping the fluid in in take if you are having you know something that's more invasive is actually going to be beneficial because you're going to need more water to actually help with the transfer or the transport of those those cell mediated. So it is a very important thing so diets important, but I'd include water in that as well. But if somebody does have a healing issues, you know, like a genetic malfunction of the skin nutritions not And to help that we can't change if there's a genetic defect in the skin and the skin isn't functioning at its Optimum best. So therefore if somebody had keloid scarring, it doesn't matter how good your nutrition is. It's not going to affect that. Hmm and just I guess for water would we be needing to increase our intake of water during this time or what would kind of the recommended intake be? Yeah. It's a increasing so there's actually not a guideline of how much each water we should be drinking and what I mean by that, you know, we can see on Easter Graham Instagram or whatever people say. Oh you must have 3 liters a day and that's not necessarily true because it really does depend on your side's your activity level and how much fluid you're actually losing. So if you are somebody that's very active that sweats a lot. You're going to need are not a lot more fluid than a small person that's relatively sedentary and doesn't sweat very much. So how much fluid Jeepers is a good gauge as to how much fluid you should be replacing but at the guides that have one and a half litres is a is a very average guideline, maybe two liters going, you know upping it. If you if you're not, you know having that much fluid prior to having a treatment. But again, some people will be having a diet that's very high in fruits and vegetables and they're going to be getting fluid that way. They're also going And to be getting fluid through what they're drinking things like milk and drink let her abilities so it doesn't just have to be through water. But water probably is clean filtered water the best way to get your fluid intake up. Yeah that absolutely makes sense. If you know someone experiencing a skin conditional concern and you're enjoying these episodes then be sure to share the podcast with them. It may help them on their skin Health Journey more than you realize. And just shifting gears a little bit Fiona with kind of spoken about nutrition and inflammation when it comes to when we're had trauma or surgery, but I want to talk about inflammation. Perhaps being caused by a nutrition and can nutrition really cause inflammation. There's been some different things coming out over on line, you know social media referring to certain diet certain nutrition cause Inflammation in the body. Are you able to expand on that a little bit? Yes, and I always say, you know, there's no one-size-fits-all. So some foods get a bad rap because they're supposedly inflammatory, but there may not be so to give you an example of gluten if somebody has got celiac disease than glutens. It's dreamy inflammatory and they need to stay away from it and it can be very damaging to the lining of the gut and cause Associated problems that She has malabsorption and nutritional deficiencies. So in that case, yes, that would be a pro-inflammatory food. But for somebody that doesn't have a gluten intolerance, it won't be so people will react to Foods differently the same goes for dairy. If somebody has got a dairy allergy or a dairy intolerance. There's going to be more of an inflammatory response and if somebody somebody doesn't but as a whole, you know, the standard Western diet is an inflammatory. diet where we've got processed food with additives in their high sugar and a lot of refined processed oils, which are often very high in omega-6, which if we have a lot of Amiga thick thin the diet it can affect our Amiga 3 now Amiga 3 is an essential fatty acid that sort of goes down that Pro inflammatory pathway also read the anti inflammatory Pathways whereas Amiga Sticks kind of shunts towards the pro inflammatory Pathways. So the more omega-6 we have the more likely we are to have more inflammation in the body if our Amiga 3 and Omega 6 ratio isn't imbalance. So a lot of processed food has a lot of refined vegetable oils in and that's where we're seeing a lot of the problem. Also if we're having a lot of animal products, you know, we're having a lot of fatty foods fatty Meats. I'm if we're having pies and Cakes and Pastries with trans fats in them. These are also potentially inflammatory inflammatory foods. We've then got the whole gut issue that we have to look at. So if somebody is eating foods that are causing what we call Gut dysbiosis where we getting an imbalance between the beneficial bacteria in the gut and then the pathogenic bacteria if that becomes out of balance and we're getting more pathogenic bacteria. And that in turn can create more inflammation within the gut and then we can see increased gut permeability further inflammation and even more sort of autoimmune type responses. So what we eat can play a very big role in inflammation and we're not talking about sort of localized topical inflammation where we see redness or swelling and then it subsides we're talking about sort of a chronic low-grade. Inflammation which long-term can actually have a negative effect. Hmm, and I guess it's probably more referring to inflammatory markers as opposed to as you mentioned inflammation on the skin and swelling. Yeah, they say, I mean if you think about it inflammations and integral integral component of the normal immune response and that's going to occur whenever cells encounter something like a harmful stimuli or is in, you know wounding to this. Skin, it might be because there's invading pathogens. It might be damage to the cell or it might be irritants. So those irritants can be topical at irritants or they can be ingested irritants and during that time of inflammation that cells will activate an inflammatory process and response so that we're going to see an increase in the production of things like cytokines, you know proteins that are going to recruit and activate our immune cells. But but what's interesting instead of that inflammatory process and their mitochondrial metabolism in the cellar very closely associated. So the mitochondria often referred to as a little powerhouses of our cells which help to produce energy and they're so important to help the cells to function normally because we need energy to produce or convert fatty acids and glucose to give us this age. ATP which gives us energy now during inflammation the mitochondrial metabolism is temporarily reprogrammed to suppress this. And so instead of making ATP these fatty acids and glucose are diverted to increase the production of pro-inflammatory mediators. So this then increases reactive Jin species so basically free radical attack occurs, and this is going to be particularly negative effect on aging and damage to the cells. Normally what will actually happen is once we've sort of that inflammatory stimulus has been taken away. Everything goes goes back to normal, but when we see long-term chronic inflammation, but That they're going to be getting an increase in free radicals and increase in harmful modicum of molecules, which is going to increase the need for antioxidants and anti-inflammatory has otherwise we're going to see more things on the skin if we're looking directly in a referring specifically to the skin. This is why we can also see premature aging glycation and pigmentation from chronic low-grade inflammation internally within the body. That's absolutely Fascinating. So what impact exactly does inflammation within the body have on the skin and again more on the context of healing when we had some kind of trauma surgery aesthetic treatment Etc. What we need the inflammation for the healing to cut to occur because what the inflammation is going to do is bring sort of is have a knock-on effect to call on all the inflammatory mediators to basically common. And see if there's any damage if you like and to see what needs help and What needs destroying I mean in a very basic basic way to describe that and during that activity. That's when we're going to start to see more free radical damage occur. So look any inflammation is going to increase free radicals, which is going to increase the need for antioxidants. So we need to get that fine balance of some Emotion to help with the healing process but not too much because too much inflammation as I kind of said sort of chronic inflammation is going to lead to premature aging but even a cute temporary inflammation if there's too much then we can also see a breakdown of collagen because it if we've got to get inflammatory mediators to the site of the wound. We're also going to see things like collagenase stimulated. So that is inflammatory mediators. Mediators can actually get easier to the wound and more and more quickly. So if you're doing a treatment say like collagen induction therapy, if you're traumatizing the skin too much, you know going to aggressively we need to get that fine balance between some inflammation to stimulate the wound healing process, but not too much to actually cause too much trauma that makes sense absolutely and then enough nutrients to the cells so that when they do Replicate and remodel they are of good quality exactly. So if we're not having the nutrients and then the wound healing is going to be impaired and we going to get more trauma and more damage. Yeah, and what are your thoughts on like nutritional supplements that claim to assist in repair and Recovery. I know chemist shelves are just filled with these types of supplements ranging from things for Jim supplements to more skin hair and nails. What are your thoughts on the Reese in these types of products in the market. Yeah. It's a good one. It depends on the actual supplement. I'm always first and foremost get nutrition through food get it through Whole Foods because when you get your nutrients through food, it comes with all the necessary bioactives and cofactors for maximum Bayer bioavailability and maximum absorption when you take isolated nutrients then You're losing all those bio actives and the cofactors and as a result. There will be side effects and you will have sort of knock-on effects long-term that could be detrimental. I mean there was a recent study that came out of I think it was Sydney University about supplementation with isolated amino acids and things like branched-chain Amino. I said have long-term supplementation even being linked to shortening of Life Span and I think you know, it's Common sense if we isolate something and take it out of its natural habitat, and then we try and cheat the system there is going to be a negative side effect. So then maybe a place for some sort of hide those synthetic supplements, but we do know long-term, you know, something like zinc for instance if we take zinc long term, then you're going to actually throw out other nutrients in the body particularly things like copper. You can also affect iron which both of all of them actually are needed for wound healing and you can actually lower the immune system long-term because rather than have an effect on gene expression that we're getting from certain plant compounds which have the ability to regulate gene expression and switch on or off certain genes that are actually going to help with things such as antioxidant production in the body or apoptosis of the cell. So we sort of cleaning up the debris of the seller even killing off the cell if there's too much damage. When we take supplements, we can actually kind of overall these Pathways and so long term we can actually have have more damage. So I think that the research isn't therefore particularly isolated nutrients and synthetic supplements. I do think long-term effects could actually be detrimental and I think we need to be really looking at getting nutrition from natural Whole Foods so that we are getting all of the plant compounds that that we need for healthy gene expression to maintain the cell health and also to protect the DNA function of the cell. Hmm, and I guess it's also would be appropriate now to ask in regards to Vitus or you being the founder and how this differs as to those isolated supplements that you have kind of been discussing. Are you able just to give a really brief kind of I guess overview? How's they differ absolutely? I mean one of the reasons we wanted to sort of bring vitamin Soul into the skincare industry in particular was because we wanted to develop something that was natural using organic ingredients that were in their whole food so that they do come with all of the cofactors the bioactive, you know, things like phenolic compounds things that are going to actually help with with Helping that natural gene expression. That's something that recent research has shown called the Nrf2 Activator that has the ability to up or down regulate over 500 different genes, which we know are involved in things such as your own antioxidant production and actually helping with clearing up the cells to actually help to put you know, things like DNA repair enzymes. So to actually help to protect against DNA damage and Mutations that we know can actually long term lead to disease and damage. So vital really was based on helping to support DNA helping to reduce inflammation within the body helping to support gut and liver and also support detoxification Pathways of the body all of the things that we know have been linked to premature aging and of course, all of these things will be linked to skin conditions as well. You know, you can see Imitation glycation all of these things and the gut if we've got probably so be seen on the skin such as breakouts. We can see rosacea acne Etc. So it's about treating the skin from within and supporting with the nutrients as they would be found in nature to support a healthy skin as opposed to taking high dose in thetic supplements, which can actually knock out the natural. Pathways or biochemical Pathways and then long-term maybe have a detrimental effect. Hmm fascinating and also appropriate I guess when we are at these more vulnerable times and we might be having more of these intensive treatments where their nutritional needs are increased. Absolutely. So yeah increasing nutrition is important when I say increasing nutrition and are getting the right nutrition during times of maybe it's pre-post. The surgery so it's it's important generally for General Health and well-being and for the condition of the skin, but if you are having something that's a little bit more invasive a treatment than we definitely need to make sure that we have enough of these nutrients in our diet and we can get that via food and that's when if you feel like you want that extra boost and that's when you would be looking at taking something like but so which is going to support with all the necessary nutrients the vitamins and minerals the amino acids, though. Specific nutrients that are going to support the wound healing process. Hmm. That's great. And that's a perfect segue. I wanted to ask you three pieces of advice for someone that is perhaps going through or has a loved one that's going through major surgery Aesthetic Surgery you having intensive, you know revision of scarring or aging or whatever it is. What could three pieces of advice be from you to them? Well, I think the setting yourself up really for success. This is the best thing possible. So looking at the diet looking at what needs to be cleaned up in the diet. So reducing things like alcohol sugary Foods processed foods, but really try and prepare yourself. So three months prior, I would say really is a good time frame depending on obviously if it's surgery or not or whether it's something less invasive, but three months prior is really going to give you a good time frame with really Now participative get those nutrients up because some nutrients are stored in the body and some aren't so the diet getting in the fresh fruits and vegetables. The fiber protein is very important reducing alcohol reducing processed foods, and of course Fitness so exercise if we are exercising building up muscle tone that's going to help with lymphatics just a general movement is going to help with the lymphatics and we know that a healthy the lymphatic system is so important for sort of healing I guess but also recovery time and getting in the right mindset as well positive mindset is everything so looking at things such as yoga meditation exercise. That's also going to help with the mind because how you know, they're limited research, but we know that how we think can affect our body and I think if we're in a Positive state of mind it's going to have a lot more powerful effect on our healing than if we feelings sort of unhealthy or depressed or we weren't mentally prepared for the downtime post-surgery. That's wonderful advice. Thank you. And what would you like to see more of in the industry relating to either surgery and nutrition perhaps considering that that is your specialty I think really in the skincare industry in general. Neural, we really need to be looking more closely at the importance of nutrition. We spend so much time looking at topical skincare and invasive treatments to treat conditions and skin, but I think really starting to look at the importance of good nutrition the role that it plays in skin health is going to make a real difference to the condition of the skin and also looking at gut health we often stay in a wear sunscreen to protect from aging but let's start Looking at protecting the gut and looking at what we're eating for maximizing the health of the gut which ultimately is going to actually help to help us with the aging process as well. And I don't think we're looking enough at that. So looking more at within and how that's actually going to help with the healing process of the skin and I think that really comes down to education there needs to be more education in the medical system and also in the skin Care industry on the effects of nutrition and the skin mmm. Thank you and Fiona where can people find more about you and what you do. Well, I've got a website so to websites if you're interested in more boosting nutrition in a simple way, but getting nutrition as naturally as possible and you are looking for something that you can take to support a healthy diet. Then you can check out Vitae cell which is all-natural whole foods that are Easy to type specifically designed for specific skin conditions and that Vitus also be ITA - Sol.com. We've also got some information on healthy eating on there as well the longevity diet, but can be downloaded that's free to download and then of course if you want more information on nutrition, then my personal website Fiona top.com. We've got a lot of Formation inflammation. I've been talking about that too much information on there regarding nutrition. There's free downloads those fact sheets. There's handouts that you can download as well for additional information. I think if you're gonna and thank you so much for being a guest on today's show. It was an absolute pleasure to hear you and the wealth of information that you bring as well absolute pleasure to talk to you money now and thank Having me bye-bye. What a wonderful interview with Fiona Fiona shared with us some real insights in regards to nutrition when it comes to Healing something that we haven't really discussed on this show, but I think as has been highlighted is so very important for not just skin Health but overall health and integrity when it comes to Healing whether it be from surgery whether it Be from Aesthetics treatments and the 3D. / that's then skin insights that stood out to me were well Number One Nutrition can be really intricate and really complicated depending on exactly what that particular individuals needs or requirements are so I think you know that just highlights. It's not just a simple thing of just, you know, eat more of a certain type of food. There are so many nutrients used in different ways and it He depends on that individual that it's important that I guess when looking at nutrition with these more intensive treatments, it really needs to be individualized to that person. Number two water water intake how how much do we consider that not just on a daily basis? I know that's hard on about but when it comes to Healing so Fiona mentioned that a lack of water or dehydration can have an impact on Cell migration and even wound healing So that was a really important take-home point but also not just to take you know, 3 4 5 liters of water a day. It really comes back to that individual need as well and it depends on how much water you're losing. So I guess that comes down to activity level age Etc. And number three was We can think about yes eating healthy when we're healing and things like that. But even to think of it that way before that and actually start preparing our bodies to heal the most Optimum optimally that they can when we are undergoing these types of treatments and Fiona suggest perhaps even three months before to maybe speak to your healthcare provider nutritionist about the procedure that you may be having if if it is something that Um, I guess is elective or something that is in the future and preparing your body so that when you do undergo this type of treatment, your body is going to have the nutrients it needs to be able to heal as optimally as possible. You know, there's one thing that I love more than skin. That's probably podcast reviews. If you're enjoying these podcast episodes. We would love to hear about it jump onto your podcast app scroll down hit the five stars go on. We know you want to and leave a review. We'd love to hear from you. Otherwise, you can connect with us on social media at Durham health.com. 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 Welcome to series 2 of the Heal Thy Skin Podcast, I’m Marni, your host and today I am speaking with Fiona Tuck, Nutritional Medicine Practitioner, and founder of Vita-sol. Fiona Tuck has over 25 years of experience in the skincare and wellness industry and is known in the media as the 'myth buster' of the nutrition world. Fiona is an accomplished Business Woman, Author, Nutritional Medicine Practitioner, Skincare Expert, Yoga Teacher and an accredited member of the Australian Traditional Medicine Society. Her in-depth knowledge and insight into future trends within the wellness industry has made her a sought-after media commentator. Fiona regularly appears on Australian national television including Channel 7’s ‘The Morning Show’, ‘Sunrise’, Network Ten's ‘Studio 10’ , ‘Today Tonight, ‘The Daily Edition”,  and most currently as a resident nutrition expert for The Today Show Extra, Channel 9. Fiona is the author of the book The Forensic Nutritionist and devotes the majority of her time giving wellness talks, commentating in the media and running her wholefood nutraceutical range Vita–sol. Fiona shares how her journey into nutrition inspired her view point of prevention over cure and the importance of optimal nutrition during recovery of major surgery or illness. I started by asking Fiona…. What she thought was the biggest misconception about nutrition and healing? About Fiona:  https://www.fionatuck.com/   https://www.vita-sol.com/  Thank you to our sponsors, Allied Magazine for sponsoring this episode www.alliedmagazine.com.

Mind your subconscious is the podcast that provides you with techniques and knowledge about your subconscious mind the part of your brain that lets you control your ego and create an extraordinary reality with your thoughts. We invite meditation hypnosis NLP EFT and other experts to help you master the most powerful part of your brain. Your host is Jennifer Schlueter who quit her job as managing editor of 22 newspapers to try Ravel the world and work online just after one hypnosis session and Nomad ever since 2016 Jennifer is now a certified hypnotist and helps people transform their dreams into reality. Hello and welcome to this week's episode of mind your subconscious this week. We actually have a very interesting guest. He is a IT guy or programmer doing a day and a fetish apprenticed at night or in his free time. So, what does that have to do with your subconscious as well sex has a lot to do with it. It's very mental. So this episode we'll show you how you can spice up your life. Life and your sex life with hypnosis and with accessing your subconscious mind. Actually. Are you curious? I bet you are. So let's get started. Hey guys, I'm Jenny. You know me and today I'm with Ninja Ninja. Hello. I am ninja yeah me and ninja we met last year actually in Amsterdam at a hypnosis Meetup. Can you tell us how that has developed her that is going for you. Yeah, so actually when we met that was my first time at that specific meet up as well, but the organizer of the meet up and I got along very well and I've been helping her with that's a meet-up as it has been going on because it's twice every month. I think. Okay, great. And then now can you introduce yourself? What kind of hypnosis are you doing and how you get into it? All right. So I'm Ninja. I have a website where you can find a lot of different forms of recreational hypnosis ranging from relaxing and helping with study and focus on to erotic and even into BDSM things like obedience and humiliation or degradation. They can also find me through my YouTube channel. Of course. My YouTube channel has less explicit content than the website. I think a lot of people actually find me through the YouTube channel rather than through. To the site directly. Okay. Great. And how did you get into erotic fetish videos? I'm hypnosis. How did that happen? So the history of that is actually very simple and at the same time very complicated. I have been into BDSM things and hypnosis sort of in parallel. So when I started doing more intimate things with others I discovered that I was dominant and that I was into BDSM things at the same time my Interests in Psychology, and how the mind works led me into hypnosis and how that worked. So those two things kind of developed in parallel and at some point it sort of clicks like wait, I can use the same skills and you can use them there and in different ways and I've always been someone who's been very curious about what is possible in like all the things that I do and with that hypnosis has been a very like interesting Journey. In finding out the different ways. It can be used. Okay, and can you tell us what is possible or what you have found to be possible some things that our listeners may not know. Well, so it starts out with that a lot of things are in the mines. So things like excitement and arousal and desire they're all mental processes so they can be directed or even instigated through hypnosis. Especially if they're a bond of trust between like the subject and the hypnotist and you have established like limits and things you can work. Chris you can experiment very deeply into even things like orgasms on command with just a snap of a finger or feeling completely submissive with just to look things that like dominant doing BDSM even just through conditioning with hypnosis. The limit is really your imagination and the level of trust that you build up between you and subjects. Okay, and why? Do people come to you one of the reasons apparently said I have a really nice voice. I guess I sort of agree the what I found is that when I started out before I was making files I was looking at what was out there and I was kind of annoyed that first of all most of the erotic hypnotist at the time were female because female voices attract a lot of male audience tend to have more money for some reason. And I felt like there was something missing in the field of hypnosis. So I felt that I could add to this. So I started recording some simple files that I put on YouTube and I put on a my own sites because I've had been having a site for many like many years more and it got an incredibly positive response. So then I started developing it and continuing with it improving the site and the channel itself and improving the the quality of hypnosis. I started out with an incredibly low quality USB mic and now I'm using like a much nicer and professional microphones. It also helps a lot. Oh why they come to me specifically is I think a combination of the style of my files is very personal every file feels like a session with the listener rather than a session for an audience. And the other thing is that I'm very clear on the content and the effects of a file. So on YouTube for example in the descriptions, there's always details of what it will do to you. On the site you can even filter on things you can say, for example, I want to file without any sexual content or I want to file without any BDSM content, which is Trivial to do it is unfortunately it's not as easy on YouTube would be nice. But so yeah, I think it's a combination of my style but also my Morality In how I want people to be able to enjoy the safely and responsibly. One of the other things I did is before I started making some of the more extreme files which go into the fantasies of enslavement or being forced. I made sure that there were reset files that allow someone to undo suggestions and I just felt it was really important to have those out there before I made anything that would need and doing right? Okay. So what is something that you say there's no way I will do this actually. Have a very simple rule for this. I will not do anything that will have lasting damage to someone. So for example feeding is a fetish that makes people overweight and while I'm very familiar with the fetish it is not something that I will make a file for because the damage it would do to the body is like more than I would like on my conscience. The other thing I will not do is any form of hatred. So race or Gender hatred or preference like women are better than men or men are better than women anything like that. I will not do so. I'm okay with making a file that would make someone attracted to women regardless of their own gender, but I would never make a file that would make them hate men or anything like that. Okay, and can you tell us some requests? Like what do people come to you with? Is it okay to talk about that? Yeah, actually I keep a lot of the requests because there Inspiration for a new things to do I currently have about like 250 or more suggestion still open, like even after all the stuff that I've already done it ranges wildly. So not too long ago. I made a very complex fantasy file about a dragon and a mountain and it was a whole story and this was based on an initial email of someone about one and a half year ago said, can you make a file with the dragon and we started having being a conversation like yeah, but what kind of file what kind of fantasy would you like to have? Like, do you want to be the dragon? Do you want to like meet the dragon and together? We sort of like thought of a story and I stored this and then much much later. I recorded it and it can range from that to incredibly specific things as well. I had a person request a file to become aroused by putting on white. Knee-high socks. Okay, that's very specific. That is that was incredibly so I made that one a little bit less specific to allow people who like the idea to enjoy that too. But maybe they won't rainbow socks because they happen to love the the 60s. Yeah. It's the suggestions very incredibly. It can be anything from can you make something that helps me study, or can you Help me deal with loss because someone dies or actually one of the most common ones that I haven't done yet is can you help me get over my ex is very common. It is a very common request and at the same time. I'm not sure if I want to do exactly that because getting over emotions is something that is important to emotional development. So for example, the dealing with loss file doesn't say you're not It anymore because that wouldn't help anyone. It's more it helps people except that it happened and celebrates the moments before it's also actually one other thing. I am very hesitant with is anything therapy related. So I have a few files that are close to it like regarding to self-harm or confidence and the files that I recorded for that I wanted. Do a lot of research for because I'm not a therapist. So I want to make sure that if I do anything like that, I would want to make sure that I can do this that I can that I don't make the problem worse. Okay. Let's see. I see. Okay. So what is something that you really enjoy about hypnosis that you really love about it, especially in your niche in with your style. It depends a bit on what I'm doing at the time. So it's very hard to give one answer because I do so many different things. So many different people with the last meet up that Iran which was to hypnosis Amsterdam meet up. There was a girl there who have difficulty going into trance and I talked with her a little bit to find out what's her problem and she thinks very analytically and analytical people respond to better two different inductions and different techniques than like more fantasy people or more down-to-earth people. So I talked a little bit about out like things with her to find out what would work really well for her and then I surprised her with something called an overload induction after a handshake induction, which worked incredibly well for her and afterwards really made her smile like oh my God, this was amazing and like that that makes me feel good to just the fact that I was able to give her that and to give her that simple experience, which was no more than just going into trans and just feeling empty for a moment and Waking up again. Yeah. Okay. Go ahead. Yeah. So that's a very simple example a more extreme example in the style that I do is for is playing with dominance and submission or with control over orgasms because orgasms are also very mental a lot of people underestimate how important the mental status for sex but through hypnosis and through a lot of like practices and experience. You can direct this so So you could for example prevent an orgasm from happening or make someone overly sensitive and that is a really like fun tool to play with and to make someone incredibly frustrated or feel incredibly good and the the power rush I get from that is it's of course Harry. It's okay. Okay. So when you say overly sensitive, what do you mean in exactly also fast or what was it? It depends on what you want to achieve. It's a party trick. For example to make someone's hand as sensitive as like the most sensitive part of their body or to make a stroke of a finger feel almost orgasmic already so you can make someone like extremely sensitive and extremely likely to orgasm or you can do the opposite. You can also make someone Edge for a very long time. What is also interesting is that hypnosis by itself is just one of the tools you can use for this. Combining them with physical conditioning and we're training and like learning dominant language and behavior. You can make it more powerful because like this interviews focused on the part hypnosis, but it is important to note that hypnosis is just one element you can use it in this kind of play and it's a very powerful element which is why I enjoy it. Okay, great. And when you said it's a party trick, have you done this at a normal party or like at other parties I have To be careful with this because I want to make sure that the person I do this to would enjoy it. I am not a stage hypnotist on purpose because I don't like the idea of humiliating a person for the enjoyment of others if that person isn't into it, like humiliation is can be a fetish but in the end the experience should be enjoyable for everyone involved and ideally it should be most enjoyable for this. Subjects like that. The audience gets a nice show is nice, but the subject should go home and be like, oh my God. Absolutely. Oh, so have I have done that where I made their hand a sensitive surface China for example, and just by circling on the palm of their hands made them almost orgasm and inevitably gets an incredibly like surprised and overwhelmed response, which is lots of fun. I'm sure yeah. Okay. So tell us about your day job. Well, so during the day I'm a programmer I Look for a big Dutch websites and I currently work in the more Erp Direction, which is enterprise resource planning. And yeah there I do a lot of development and Analysis because I work with other people as well. Yeah. I'm a certified nerd. So why is it that you're not doing hypnosis full-time just part-time but rather you have still you. Have you have a daytime job full-time? Because keeping it I spent a lot of time on it, but keeping it as a hobby means that there's almost no pressure on it. It's good. It allows you to remain incredibly enjoyable because I don't have to do it. I'm doing it because I want to its I don't need it for my income. I get a fair bit of income from donations and patreon, but I don't need it like it. I don't need it to survive. I don't need it to pay off my My mortgage it is extra and that extra allows me to feel different about it. It's no longer an obligation. It's something I want to do. And for the foreseeable future. I'm also planning to keep it that way because it keeps the dynamic of how I deal with it gnosis differently. I see. Okay. Okay, and then what is something that people assume about you that is completely wrong. Probably many things the one that comes to mind is that because of my files. I make a lot of different files and a lot of people don't know which files are my own desires and my own interests and which files I've made for others, even though most of the files are things that I enjoyed making the thing that they assume the most that I know is wrong is that they think that I am a 24/7 always Dominant all the time and I there are people who enjoy this but I don't I like gaming a like just relaxing and even with people who I am dominance with I also enjoy just doing normal things like watching a movie together or just like having a normal walk in a conversation. Not every moment has to be like mr. Ninja sir dominating the submissive. Okay? Okay, so and what is something that you struggle? Cool with something that you are the problems that you face in your in your with hypnosis. And yeah, just with hypnosis. I with hypnosis itself. I don't feel like I struggle with a lot. Maybe there's some elements that I would like to practice more but I don't feel that I'm struggling with them terribly the struggles I have on more social in nature, for example, so I run a the hypnosis Amsterdam meet up and I just about that real quick because we talked only about one but you have to actually so yeah. Well the other one is not mine technically, but I'm like Co helping but the difference is that the other person is organizing its with the hypnosis Amsterdam meet up. It is a meet up every two months specifically about erotic and kinky hypnosis, which is organized through FetLife, which is a fetish social network site and I and another hypnotist and hopefully in the future more hypnotist give workshops there. Well, I'm perfectly comfortable giving Workshops. The thing that is still something I'm struggling with is being an organizer and at the same time letting someone else give a workshop. So I need to basically shut up and let them do it. You need not to be dominant for a second. Well, it's also I think really quickly and I want to answer quickly because I'm enthusiastic but it's really important to let someone else just take their time. Let them finish their words let them like give answers to people and also to let them make mistakes if they are making mistakes that like are Irrelevant for the audience. I can always tell them later. There's no need to Correct them in the moment itself. Like I can even write it down. If I don't want to forget and I have done that with one of with one of the workshops where like I just took a piece of paper and they started writing down. So I didn't interrupt the person who's giving the workshop because in the moment itself, I don't think about it, but afterwards I'm like oh oh, oh The worst the worst offense that I did the last time was where I literally asked like do you want me to answer that question as I said it I would like oh, no that was just the fact that I needed to ask that meant that I shouldn't have. Okay. Do you remember like, what was your first job no secession. I actually do remember the first how many years ago was that sorry. I was 15 years old and yet so I Interesting hypnosis like very long ago, but it was very difficult finding good material and it at the time the local library had practically nothing. So I read what I could and with my sort of girlfriend at the time. I attempted an induction it went pretty terrible but some form of transfer still achieved and it was very interesting in education. So I still got interested in it, but I I sort of got stuck with the lack of material so it took about two three years before there was much more material and stuff online for me to connect with so I didn't really pick it back up until I was 18 and after that it's just been like I'm a very learned eager person. I really enjoy learning new things. So I'm also the kind of person who watches like scientific YouTube channel and Things like that just for fun to learn new things. And so as soon as I got more material about hypnosis, I found out where to find more and then I learned more and then I met more people online who were injured and I met like other certified hypnotist. They were willing to try to help me in to train me and to work with me and that was really fun. Okay, so you never went to like a school or like a education kind of thing know when I started when I started out The only training in the Netherlands and Belgium was not what I wanted to learn because it was specifically for therapy and I purposefully avoided this. There's always like I am not a therapist and I'm not pretending to be a therapist either. I'm very clear on this. I frequently get questions during live streams that I do about like therapy issues and I politely tell the people to find a professional That can help them with this. So no, I don't. I haven't done any like official study for this. Okay. And so if people want to do what you do say, for example, then what should they do? If they also you know, if they don't find a program that suits them or that they want to do but what well so now lead them to good resources well nowadays. It's a lot easier to find good resources. I'm still Looking for some Solutions on some resource problems that with this but the Reddit for hypnosis, so the subreddit for of noses, which would be ready.com slash are slash hypnosis has a lot of material listed there. There's a sticky to the top with book lists and with information and with a like the valuable discussions of other hypnotists, so it's a very very good resource. For I would have to look this one up. There's one other resource, which is really nice. I have all this linked on my site as well. By the way, there's hypnosis and suggestions that org which is a more clinical hypnosis research sites, but it's a very good one. I actually had some email conversations with the owner of the sites because they don't mention recreational. At all and actively avoid mentioning it and I felt that it was like I talked with him about the why of this and I understand it but because recreational hypnosis has grown so much and is now an like a serious application of hypnosis. They will probably look in the coming year reconsider this oppa. Hopefully, can you just clarify for The Listener who does not know how to differentiate between what what falls under recreational hypnosis? US versus everything else or clinical or whatever. So the easy differentiation is that clinical hypnosis is what a psychologist or therapist will do with you it is or like a dentist. I know that Elmen was very fond of dentists. It is the type of hypnosis that a medical professional will do with you which is why it's called clinical hypnosis recreational hypnosis is any hypnosis outside of this so guided meditation is an example of recreational hypnosis and study tapes and things like that as well. Okay, great. Thank you for that. And so does your family know what you're up to? And what do they think of that well to degree? They are aware of My Success because I don't make a secrets of my YouTube channel. And the name that I use online is a name on which I view I've been making like writing and art and stories and music for a very long time over 10 years at least so they are aware of my work. I think that most of them don't look too deeply into it so that they are proud of that. I have achieved so much but they have no particular interests to like dive into the more. Two bits of my work which is completely understandable. It is absolutely it is. Okay. So tell me something that is true on which nobody agrees with you. Maybe something about him else's nobody agrees. I don't know about that nobody but maybe most yeah. So one of the biggest challenges within the hypnosis scene is the definition of hypnosis itself. The definition that I've adopted is generally considered to be okay, but a lot of people feel that it doesn't explain enough and that's because I split the definition of hypnosis between hypnosis and Trends where trans is where the like clinical definition of hypnosis comes more into play and hypnosis is a guided Trends. And the reason why that is important is because trans States happen all the time and with animals with people They're natural mechanism of the minds hypnosis is when we use it on purpose when we're guiding it. And so if regarding it ourselves with meditation or with self hypnosis, it's still hypnosis, and we're putting ourselves in the trends and that definition like it usually generates a lot of discussion, but it is a very convenient this convenient definition for like explaining other things. So during why is that why is it discussion coming up? So the problem is that it doesn't actually Define what transfers or what hypnosis can do and that's because we don't have a clear definition for this. The reason I use it as a definition is because when you're explaining hypnosis to people that the important part for us is the guided Parts, which is what we learn the the inductions and giving suggestions is all the guiding parts. And that's the only part that's relevant for like learning hypnosis because that's what you will be using to learn more about the actual mechanics behind it. You have to look into Trends and like separating them I think is very productive. But a lot of people also don't want to separate them because I like no it conflicts with other definitions. And yeah, like that's the first thing that comes to mind. Okay, so in what's next for you? I have two upcoming International like events one in Wales and one that I can't talk about yet, which I'm sure we will reveal later this year. I have a lot of plans for the sites more than I have time. Probably. I'll be busy until the end of the year at least for my current plans loan. And because I'm a programmer by the time I'm done. I'll have new plans. Oh, actually I'm working on pretty big project. I've been asking my patrons for help with transcribing files because I want to make more of the files available to review without having to listen to Them so in the like it was suggested to me earlier this year and it's something I've been thinking about for a long time, but it's very difficult to do. So. I've been like basically crowdsourcing it's because transcribing 500-something files is not something it's not something I want to do on my own understandable. So a question I came just to just came to my mind is do you hypnotize yourself? And if so when? Yes, and no so not explicitly and I don't give myself suggestions. However, I am a programmer some very familiar with flow States and I'm also Gamers from also familiar Flow State in that sense. And I'm more aware of them. I think than the average person who does this because I'm also familiar with the BOCES. It also means that I can catch myself more easily. If something interrupts me. I've I found this extremely useful at work. Because if I'm interrupting my flow States, I can store it and continue with it later. This is called context switching and it's relatively easy for me. I know a lot of colleagues were context switching can be incredibly interruptive. Can you let us know how to do that? I once for you? Yeah. I don't know if I have a perfect plan for other people as you learn hypnosis and as you learn To experience Trends you learn to be able to recall it. A lot of people use Trends triggers with people who they work with like I will say sleep and snap my fingers and etc. Etc. You can also learn to do this with other states of Mind Sim that are similar to trends like studying or programming or gaming and a lot of people do this unconsciously. So like high-level speed Runners, which is a form of gaming they automatically go into a trance State as soon as they start with speedrun because they've trained themselves to do this, even if they're not fully aware of this now the more aware of this you are the more you can control it. So if you're interrupted with it, if you're aware of how it works then it's easier to go back to it by going back to the same like feeling or the same state. Okay? Okay. Yeah the clearest way I can explain that. SC. Okay, that's fine. So, can you let our audience know where they can find you and what is all on your side what they can do on your side. All right. So on YouTube it is ninja hypnosis this n imja hypnosis and it should be easy to find me there and if it isn't I apparently have been doing something wrong. The website is Hypno dot Ninja.com. And on that you can find interactive scripts which allow you to click through them. So you can do a text hypnosis at your own pace. You can find all the audio files most of which are free a few our patreon supporters. And those are all like clearly labeled and you can find hypnotic visuals which are things you can like do on your phone or your screen that people enjoy for going into Stay start with Spirals and pendulums, but they go into a wildly different directions recently. I even added a hypnotic game, which is a dodging game where you dodging or flights flying through circles, I think but anyway, the idea is that it is a tunnel you fly through and the tunnel users like sort of hypnotic visuals so that the idea of a flows State is achieved by playing the game. I assumed you program that yes. Okay. Yeah, I did all the visuals and all the things the whole site works with technology that I've made because I enjoy doing it. It was it's been like years of work, but it's so much fun to make. Okay. Do you use sounds like binaural beats or any other sounds that you also program ordered or no? So the background music of my files is not binaural and that is because Of binaural beats have a side effect for people who are too aware of them that is unpleasant. So they use resonance to degree and I've made the background music myself, but it's just in a standard so music program, but I don't use any other sounds during the visuals. I allow people to just use whatever they want themselves. Okay, great, and it's actually possible on the site to like selective Visual and then go to an audio file and then like Like what your visual while the audio file is playing? Yeah, we can see that your programmer. Yes. Great. Everything is thought-out and yeah, well thought out everything it looks extremely like clear and clean. It's not the fanciest site in the world, but it's extremely functional. That's what we need. Right? Well, I've done my best to make it user-friendly a lot of programmers do have the problem of making things like do Lots but also be impossible to read any more. I've done my best to avoid it. Well-well see the audience will see if that's right. Okay. So do you have anything else to say that you want to say to the audience to the listeners? Yes, there's one question. You didn't ask which has been asked to me for like why do I mix erotic and non erotic hypnosis on the site? And why do I show it like before someone has to make a choice one of the reasons for this is I Attempt to be sex-positive in the site. So there's no enforcement of you have to do something or you have to see something because it takes one click to take all the erotic content away. But I also wanted to show people that there is more than they might initially think a lot of people have asked me like if I ever would consider making a pop-up when someone enters a side like do you want to see erotic content or not? And I don't think I will incorporate that anytime soon. Because showing that it's just there and it is the most normal thing in the world. I think helps a lot with the acceptance of it. Another thing. Is that while I allow comments on YouTube the site itself besides showing people views of like a file. It doesn't show any like usage of it. It doesn't show comments or feedback or things like that and any feedback given to me through the cytosol anonymous. And I've done this because a lot of people live in countries where sex and BDSM are not accepted and they are seen as like undesirable or unwelcome or even not allowed. So I wanted to make the site purely about the enjoyment of it and not about any social aspect of it. They're still social aspects related to it. Like there's Discord servers and chat rooms, and there's plenty of places where people are into it. Gnosis like converge, but I wanted to cite to be purely about the experiencing of it rather than connecting to new people through it. Okay. So since you mention that I am curious which country do most people come from. Well the English the English countries are definitely the most so US Canada UK and but I have people from all over the world at the last hypnosis Amsterdam meet up. There was a Couple from Singapore who had been listening to my files as well. And they saw that I was like they were in Europe for a holiday and they saw that I was organizing the Meetup they were like, oh, yeah, we're like can we come by? So it was really it's really fun to see interest into my work from like everywhere. That is awesome. Do you like like meeting people who listen to your hypnosis? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I actually meet people relatively frequently even so I've been asked this in the lives as well. People can just ask me like hey, I'm in Amsterdam then and then can we meet up and usually if my schedule allows me because I am atrociously busy at times but I usually say yes, and we just like meet in town and like go walk somewhere a drink somewhere and just have a nice conversation. It varies per person. Some meetups are more naughty than others. But most of them are just social. Okay, great. So, thank you so much. Your time, thank you for answering all the questions and for enlightening us about the scope of hypnosis. And especially your style. It was very interesting to hear. So thank you for everything with pleasure. Love this episode of mind your subconscious subscribe rate and leave a review on whichever platform you listening. It's very much appreciated. Thank you so much. Catch our next episode every Monday.

I don’t know about you, but every IT person I’ve known has a completely different side to them which has nothing to do with IT: fetish hypnosis, photography, music, drawing, etc. Wait – did I write fetish hypnosis? YES, you read that right. But Jenny, didn’t you tell us you use hypnosis to help people find their purpose and go through with it? You may wonder now. Yes, I did tell you that and I do. But other people use hypnosis for other things. And sex is one of them. Orgasms, for example, are very mental. That also means, orgasms have to do a lot with our subconscious, which leaves a lot of room to play for a fetish hypnotist. The python / php / web programmer & hypnotist I’m talking about doesn’t only play with orgasms. He plays with a whole bunch of other stuff when it comes to hypnosis and sex. Among other things, he organizes a fetish hypnosis meetup in Amsterdam. Are you curious now? Then tune into this week’s episode. Here’s what else you’ll learn about: - How you can use hypnosis to spice up your sex life  - Hypnosis and BDSM - The orgasm hypnosis “trick” Nimja once performed at a party - Flow states - Nimja’s very own hypnosis game - What Nimja’s family thinks about what he does Find Nimja at: https://hypno.nimja.com/ https://www.youtube.com/user/NimjaHypnosis

Hey guys, this is Lisa and Rebecca and we are here on the secret life of weddings. If you like drama, you're in the right place where we tell you the world's craziest, but true wedding stories. So get ready for the drama on the secret life of weddings. What is up? Everybody? It is episode 76 of the secret life of weddings podcast. This is Lisa and Rebecca as you know, because we've done this about 80 times before well 75 are we supposed to keep introducing ourselves? I don't know. Well, I figure if there's a new person coming in feel so weird doing it. I know it's very like I feel like I feel really weird saying my name I feel like this is news at 11. Am I the only one like do you feel weird saying your own name? Yeah. It's a weird thing. It's like hearing yourself on a recording and you're like that isn't Yes. Yeah, it's I can't listen to us. I fucking have to you you all need to but I don't listen to us know like a couple times. You've said. Oh go listen, like hear the difference Bubba Bubba and I'll be like I will listen for all of like 5 seconds and then I'm like, oh my God, is it such an idiot doesn't like an idiot. Does it make you squirm or scream? Yeah. I don't like the sound of my voice. I feel like it. So I want any when I'm when I'm talking the Great. Now yeah, my voice sounds very deep see me, it's not I know like this is why I'm confused because you know your voice always sounds a certain way to but yeah on a recording your kind of like yeah, so when I hear it play back, I'm like, I have a really awful voice you do not know but I do you don't so I'm in the wrong business. I hate to break it to you. It's too late. Yes, it's really got that. It's above your head. You're In it. Yeah, it's official. Hmm. We're doing this podcast in case you don't know Rebecca. It's actually happening. I made it this far and you can keep on going so funny guys. We have some some news the the 10-minute hard marker for the chitchat has to go in the garbage. I'm sorry. It has immediate my explosion. It has exploded we were listening to you. You guys are telling us especially in our Facebook group like over a hundred people voted there. Like new no screw the time limit. Yeah, we don't like it. So me either listen, we are gonna we know what you think. No listen. So this is what we're going to do. We are going to try very hard though to do a timestamp instead. So we are going to try to you know, compromise between the two choices and put a little time stamp note in the notes. Yes, if you like, okay at 12 minutes and 54 seconds, you know, we get into the stories. Yes, so I will do that for you because I love you guys and honestly if we have much More to say like was right at the end. It's right at the end. Yeah, but you know, we're not that structure if I mean, that's not who we are. We're a chit chat eesh. Oh, yeah, and I tried we tried really hard to kind of please everyone and I think that was almost a mistake people are like you can't please everyone, you know, so don't try and it's a hard thing because you're trying to make people happy and if you ever see like reviews we go to look to chat then you feel like you have to fix it. So if you like the chit chat, please go say something because I need to read that it would be like I'm doing the right thing here. Yes, it's you know what? I mean? I need positive reinforcer holiday - guys. I need validation every minute of your life. Do you understand me? I want emails. I want texts. I want reviews though. Just just it does go a long way from you for my self-confidence. But anyway, yeah, I don't sound crazy at all. Do I know you're good? That's fine worried about it's fine. So we're just going to let it let it flow. Let it ebb and flow let it flow. Let it flow. Let it flow. Let it flow. I like that. I thought you meant your Christmas fan. So I known I'd like Christmas not so Rebecca brought me my Starbucks this morning. I did I love her so much. She texts me and she goes I've got your Starbucks and I wrote back in my heart. I laughed out loud and there's like, that's awesome. I just oh my god with this girl brings me Starbucks. I want to cry a little but what did I give you in return When you arrived I got some crack you got some Christmas. Crack if you guys haven't had Christmas crack, I'm excited to try it you need to yeah, this is some good shit, especially if you aren't familiar like we have some of our Australian friends that you know, Kim she didn't know what it was and we get her so it is like you take butter and dark brown sugar. Okay, and you cook it together in a saucepan to looks like liquid and you're stirring and stirring and stirring it then you get she's listening so she can make more Christmas Crack by the way, her face just turned into cooking. Here, I'm a bit of a baker. He's a baker. Yeah, then you take your supposed to line the pan I didn't because I ran out of stuff to line it with like tinfoil or whatever. Yeah or parchment paper, but you should line the pan with tin foil. It says and you put crackers along the bottom like across kind of okay, like just as a cracker just as a cracker. Okay, lately it in the pan. Yeah, and then you pour the hot butter sugar. Sugar mixture on top all over so it goes all flat then you take a cup of chocolate chips and you while it's hot and you sprinkle them all over the crack. So they melt and then you take a spatula and just smooth it all over and then put it in the fridge for a couple hours and then you literally like just cool it down. Yeah, actually no, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Once it's in the pan. You actually have to bake it for like 5 minutes or something. There's a recipe online. Don't don't this is not a everyone's eyes. Everyone's listening. I'm writing this down. It's like oh gosh, this is not you know, what I'll do. I'll try to put a link to a recipe. Yeah in the show notes because I love you guys. This is not a baking podcast. Please do not take me at my word right now. I'm going to put a link to the to the recipe because this is the shit. Yeah. But anyway, you bake it for like 5 minutes. It's very short period of time. Yeah, and then you put the the chocolate on and it's you know melts and you put it in the fridge chill it then you just break it apart you crack it apart which is part of the reason it's called crack is also called crap because you can't fucking stop eating it. Once you start eating it yum. Yes sokka's like toffee tasting almost it's with grape all chocolate and all. Oh, I'm bringing I'm baking this weekend. So I'm bringing you a cookie or a few different kinds. I just rolled on the bike. Yeah, if you're short circuiting sounds wipe that up. Let me just let me just yeah, I have something to tell you. My husband is a huge year as you know football. Junkie. Yes, right. I do he's obsessed with football. Yes, so Now games are on Thursday nights, right? So he was of course on my couch. I call it my goodness. I swear I wash all my shows. It's the marital couch Rebecca. So he's in there watching football in like fine. Whatever. I'll go up to bed and watch TV and I went upstairs and all I hear is him yelling me back back and I'm like, what? Look what someone I'm thinking something is wrong. Yeah run downstairs and like what? He's like past the couch beside him like come sit down and I'm like, I'm not watching. A football no, so then he's like no trust me just sit down. Okay, no problem. I sit down all of a sudden guess who comes out who Ryan Reynolds Ryan Reynolds my boy. Oh, is there at halftime? Oh, you're so cute being interviewed. You are such a bad girl. I was like good man get that. My husband knows me. Well, yes, he does. He's like, I'm like, can you take some pictures because I didn't have my phone with me. It's like of course and then Add me I was he sends them to me. He's like, there you go. That's for your spank bank. Oh my God, like that's amazing. This is the only time you'll ever catch me watching football. He's got a good sense of humor that one and I had to show you my redneck Willie, right? Oh my God, is he of Canadian Club? He has a bottle of Canadian Club. Wow. So Rebecca, you have to put that in the groove. Okay. I did did you yeah. Oh, okay guys go ask for to be tagged in that one because I didn't even see that thread it was part. In someone else's thread you guys. Can I just can I just give you a commendation here, please that the turkey has made it back turkey man has danced his heart back into our Facebook group. Yes him and his his little turkey tiny out fittings to sue thanks to sue for finding that Lindsey so funny. She messaged me on messenger and she's and she he sent it to her directly. I'm sorry. What? Yes the guy in the Video Yeah sent it to her directly and their friends ha ha ha. We will wait. So how did how did they get to know each other? She I can't remember what she said she found him or found his video or something. Maybe I think she found him. Okay what it was and she at and she asked him because it got taken down everywhere. Yeah, and he sent her he asked her over Isley. I feel so special is the hero she is the girl. Can I just say though? I'm also Sort of a hero because I approved the post. Yes, because Facebook done this never happens guys. We don't have thank you. Thank you. I'm telling ya. We don't actually have you know approvals on posts yet. I'm pretty sure we'll get to that point soon. Yeah, but right now y'all are behaving so it's like we don't need to do this for the children, but like Facebook immediately like recognize it actually checked the outgoing YouTube link and was like this. We have nudity and oh my God, whatever offensive content. Do you want to allow this post and I'm like fuck. Yes. Yes approve uproot and so I approve that stuff as quick as I humanly could for real because I'm sorry, I believe in Freedom of turkeys and I just think it should exist in our crew turkey freedom of turkey cause this is the turkey really free. It's fake. It's not real. I would just like to reiterate that this is Fake turkey it is dancing. Man's you know, what you can't see anything. There is no nudity. There is its animatronic it's funny. It's silly and stupid and it's very festive. Let's be honest. Yeah, the only thing that would make it more festive as if he had like a Santa hat on. Yes, wouldn't that be great? Yes. Can we get a part to please or rack the turkey and him in lights? Oh, yeah, but that might electrocute them. Let's now know how sure he's not real. No, but I just met the lights might electrocute him how I'm not worried about electrocuting the fake turkey. He'd be fine. Okay. Well do it for Rebecca's Amusement? No. No, we have something very important to talk about. Yes. What what I got up to with lights. Oh, yes. Did you even put that in the notes to talk about? No, you forgot know. This is kind of huge. Yeah. Oh, okay. We never About it. Oh, I think because yeah, you post I post videos so I posted a video but for those people who are not in our group or drape follow us on YouTube, right? Right. They might not know that I enacted my, you know, petty petty revenge on Cruella de Vil next door. So the one we called Betty you'll recall that she I'm not going to bore you like you have to go back and listen to the the episode where I talked about it and I think in the video I actually mentioned which episode it is. I I can't remember. I think it was like yeah, but you give a good detail in the episode to write in your video. I do. Yeah, I give a bit of a backstory. Yeah of like what happened. But yeah, he was mean to me. I tried to be nice to her. She was really mean to me. I've seen her twice in 7 years. She was yelling at me both times. Yeah. I tried to connect with her and human level. She completely was like fuck you and I was like cool. She told me to move my yard waste bag and I said, you know, what if you could just ask me nicely like a person I probably would have done it. Yeah, but she was Rude and mean I was like, fuck you. I am going to keep it all year. I even keep it forever. It is never leaving my fucking lawn now and so I decorated it for Christmas and I recorded the entire thing the whole thing from this is, you know, telling the story. Yeah going to the mall going to the store buying her like shit to put on the bag like, you know from a bow got some lights out of my garage and I ended up using and which was actually perfect because half of Them didn't work and there was not one single blinking light apparently is everybody's favorite part. Yes. So basically I enacted this revenge and it's got a star on top and everything and I even got extra bags from my work because there was extra Leafly. I went a whole a Kyle took it to the next level of petty people were like, you're my fucking hero for doing it and I know people probably some people are like, it's a couple people were like literally two out of like 1,200 people who watched it. I think yeah, we're like, Oh, you should just go make someone's day instead or do something positive. Oh, geez, you need to get a sense of humor because if you don't laugh or do something like this now and then with horrible people in the world. Yeah. Maybe she should do something. Nice for someone. Yeah, you know, yeah and not treat me like crap. But anyway can't always that can't always be I do that 99% of I did a lot of nice things. Yes, you know and like it doesn't always, you know, eventually sometimes you're just like, you know, what sometimes You need to do bad things just to feel your soul and to know you're going to hell officially. I'll drive the bus. I don't care. Yeah, you know what though it like what I did. Was it Petty for sure, but funny, I hope and hurt her. That doesn't hurt her. It just it Jake. I would say if you're hurting her then I build. Yeah, Lisa, you know, I would know that's the thing. I would never do that. I would never like exactly say her name or show her fate. No, it's factually. Yeah, but I know she's never gonna I know about no, you know and this is like harmless really? Yeah, exactly. If anything it's just one of those things that gets under people's skin. They're like, ah, yeah, exactly. But anyway people just 99% of people really got it. So if you want to see that video go to youtube.com slash C / secret life of weddings and it's up there. Yeah or just search yard waste Christmas bag. I think it's I have a question. Yeah. What did you tell your kids about this? I'm obviously must have like inquired why no bags are dressed up for no they didn't ask. No. Okay. I did tell my neighbors though. My my mate, my neighbor Laura came out. Who's awesome. She's the greatest. She's the other neighbor on the other side. We share a driver with her. Thank God. It's her like yeah, no kidding. Right so that families amazing. So she came out. I was like, she she particularly has had some run-ins with the other neighbors, so Over the dogs. She was the one that called The Humane Society. I like, you know, gotcha. So anyway because she's got dogs and she cares of course. She's a wonderful person. So anyway, I told her and she fuckin starts laughing because she's got a daughter as well who's a little bit older like older than my kids. So she's maybe like 10 11. Yeah 12 in there anyway, so I told her and she just thought it was the greatest thing. She actually went and called her mom out to come see it. She knows how horrible this other name. Yeah, the whole street knows how horrible this woman is, so I told her the story. Re she starts laughing. Ah, so she goes through the best neighbors ever. Yes. Just thought it was great. So, you know, my neighbors think it's funny for the record. You know, what I would love to see very tasteful little tree. Yes, it is. You think it's awesome like seeing it in person. Thank you. You know what I want you to do next year what because I feel like this bag should just stick around. Everybody says that but it's already falling apart. I don't think it physically can't then you need a new bag. Oh, it'll kill Justin. He already that you should have seen his face when I was denied. It is very it would have been so great. What if it was like a scene from The Grinch and who's from Whoville and everyone comes and surrounds the bag and puts an ornament on it each and they're going fall who Forest of everyone in the neighborhood is invited I guess added ornament to me baby. I need Little People tiny little who's owed around it in a giant like in a giant ring, that'd be amazing to that's actually an amazing idea because I've been trying to come up with a Christmas cake idea. And I was thinking about doing a grinch one. That's actually a pretty cool idea. Ooh, nice. Yeah, it's they have a cake raffle at Jill school. Oh, I haven't Jill story. But you know what? I'm going to save it for after the episode. Okay, because we have a lot to talk about still because you can you tell we've been saving ourselves would have been like cutting herself. I feel so much better that that was went because we would have had a hard stop seven minutes ago. Yeah in the middle of something you wouldn't have heard about yard waste Christmas and that's just you know, what, you know, I don't miss the end that Ryan Reynolds was Halftime show and that is how can you go about your Tuesday or Monday? If you guys if you want early episodes go to the patreon and become a become a patreon member for $8.00. I think it is a month you get early episodes by whole day. So yeah Monday morning goodness, go do that again on.com secret life of weddings because I have to tell you where to go. But anyway, how can you not go about your Monday or Tuesday without knowing round Ronald's was at the halftime show exactly. How can you not know? He's so hot? Anyway, I love him. So he's my whole house. I'm just saying he's your hall pass. It's official. So let's get into our stories, but then we will get back in because I know you have a rant. I do have a rant but I will save it for a little lace save it for after and I have a juicy story, but it is a rant that applies to anyone who's getting married. So if you're getting married, you need to know that you need to know this. Okay, so I did something different with our stories you did. Yes. Okay. So we're starting off today s episode with a video I saw okay. Okay. So good idea of how podcast Rebecca I know. I know I'm gonna post it. Okay, because as you know, we get many stories sent in and links to stories Etc. This video was sent in by Steve. Oh just a couple so of course by the title of it hammered drunk girl ruins. Wedding it's the title of it. Okay, and I thought okay another, you know, I mean sounds promising at all. Yeah, I assumed another sloppy drunk falling all over herself Etc, right? No more than that. You look like you're taking in all the energy. So I basically wrote a story about the video. Oh deep. Okay. So I'm gonna this is something going to start doing because there's so many videos. Oh sure fail videos from wedding. Oh, yeah, so I thought I'm gonna do I'm gonna make this the thing Lisa doesn't know about this. I'm just trying to know I'm very fascinated by this whole thing. Okay, so the video starts with everyone dancing at a wedding reception under a tent. Okay, okay. It's pretty you see the bride and groom dancing in the background. Everyone looks like they're having a good time. Then the video focuses on a guest in the red dress. She's clearly busting. Why is it always a red dress? I don't know. She's clearly busting a move. I thought you're going to say busting out of oh, no, she's busting moves. Okay, okay and decides to use the pole. One of the poles as a prop to enhance Her Moves. Yeah. I know what you were thinking that it all collapsed. However the Lady in Red Shuffles over to the groom and proceeds to pull him by his tie to dance with him. Oh, no holding him around the Dance Floor. The bride in the background is so not impressed. So he's Zooms in on the bride. Oh and she's pest really yes. Oh no only so yes, it's right wedding. She should be pulling him around the pole the other chick lady in in the red dress releases the groom and grabs an ultra gentlemen. I think it was probably the Father of the Bride or the groom. I hope it was the Father of the Bride. Oh my God, she dances with him for a moment. And then she's back to her sturdy pool. It would appear that. She really wanted to put her pole dancing skills to the test and jumped up onto the pole tearing the entire tent down. No, yes. Oh that's amazing. All you see is like people falling in the tent coming down on top of everybody. Oh my God, but wait, we're not done but wait, there's more. The video focuses on a group helping the bride whose face is covered in blood. No. Yes, and that's where it ends that is so much worse than the golf cart. See we weren't that evil laughing at the yes. Oh my God. So yeah her face and she looks the bride. She doesn't even look like she's like upset that. She's hurt. She just looks so fucking mad because you know, you could see it coming. You could see all this coming in now now she's wearing all white her face not too. The whole one side of her face is covered in blood. Oh my God. Yeah, so I think came from her nose, right? But yeah. Hope she didn't look like to hurt her. I'll oh my God my goodness that poor thing. Yeah, not the woman the prize. Yeah, but it's so it was funny watching the lady was like you're like it was hilarious ruined wedding day was hilarious. So you're going to put this video up in our group, right? Yes for I will you who'll I will guide drama? Llamas? Yes, listen drama llamas. I almost want to call our screams also drama. Llamas. I know right? Right. Yeah makes sense. Yeah. Hello. Llamas kind of like blady God calls her fans monsters. Yes, you know you could be are llamas. If you enjoy drama llamas, you can go to our fans group on Facebook will put this video up for you. Yes, so you can see it because so this is going to be a regular thing. I'm going to do damn girl. Yeah, I think that's a great idea. Yeah, that's awesome. And then we can chat about there's just so many videos. I'm like, you know what I saw the video and I'm like oh but it's a video and then I was like, wait a second. Hold on. How can I incorporate that? You're like I have an idea here. I can write words that describe the video exactly without playing it. That's actually pretty fabulous. Yeah, that's great. And then you have to go to our fan group to see the videos. Yeah. So yay weren't you want to see them because seriously, I we're up to like 1700 people over 1,700 people amazing, which is great. It's a really cool Community, but the highs it is not for the faint of heart. So please don't come in if you don't have a sense of humor, and I'm sorry if you're if You don't find the shit funny. Yeah, just it's fine. I'm not judging you. I'm totally just like big but just don't be fair. We don't wrapping or proteases. No, no, you know homophobic biphobic nothing anything like that. Yeah. You're getting a boot. Yeah. Don't be a shitty human being. Yeah gonna be kicked out but I'm saying like for instance if a man, it's fun in there with a fake turkey on his drawing dancing offends. You probably not the best place to see the bar resetting. This is the bar if you pass the turkey, Test yes, you're allowed in if you can't pass you don't have to like the turkey to know Roll On by just scroll by if you've passed the scroll test, the term Scrolls has if you would have just rolled on by went that's stupid. Then you're then you'll be fine. I want to get into this whole like importing crap fail because our group is great guys so good and so good. There's been like maybe a couple mishaps, but which we've tried to address super quickly. Yeah, exactly. So we want to keep it rolling. Yes. Keep it good. Yeah. Keep it good. That was a really great. Great little story. Thank you for writing that out. And I'm actually loving that. We have the last bit of our Saga now the stroppy sisters. Do you want to mention why we're tying it all up this week because our next episode is going to be our Christmas episode is actually coming out on Christmas day is not adorable. We are awesome. We had that just right there and right. Yeah. Yeah. We totally guys totally timed that when we started the podcast a year and a half ago. So here you go. Now you're going to it's going to drop Christmas day. So that means you're going to wake up in the morning. Let your kids go open up the resonance or if you don't have kids grab a cup of coffee or if you're Jewish just come listen. Okay, fine and play because it's going to be Christmas themed. Don't worry. Yep. Yep, and we got you because the Jews don't do anything specific during Hanukkah and Christmas Day. Do they I think Konica is like eight days long so they probably have more latitude in their timing. Listen. It's Christmas Hanukkah. Uh Kwanzaa, there's got to be another one of the other ones. I know but it's all of it. The plan is makes a non-denominational winter solstice lovers. Listen make some time on your celebration day whenever it is and yeah, um listen to us and we'll tell you some festive stories. Yes about wedding Terror. Yes wedding horror. It's gonna be great. Yes and oddly enough. We had a Christmas story sentence. So I'm super excited. Yes. Oh, that's fabulous. I love it. Okay, awesome. So this is the last bit of our stroppy sister Saga. So we go for the meal and Gigi which you know is the sister that Golden Goose called and ghost. She's the one that I don't know gets everything done for her and yeah, yeah start snacking the free wine. Does that mean like drinking it by the bottle? Probably necking maybe I don't know. Can we get a British person? Yes, I need a translator. We had a lovely girl in our group. Yes. Shout out to you. I can't remember your name right now. Because it was just a random memory. I want to call you John but it's probably wrong. Anyway, girl in our group who is British and says, you know, she helped us figure out some of the wording. Yes some of the slang thank you in advance from these Canadians. So she's G start snacking this free wine. She goes I would like to point out that in my country. It is customary to have a free round of drinks for a toast and maybe also free wine with dinner, but after that guests pay for their own drinks all crazy like a cashbox. Yeah, I think in England it is All right, like not so much in North America. Although cash buyers are totally you know, we've discussed this in the past. Yes for sure. I didn't know that that it was like a thing. Yeah. It's a custom thing. I think in Europe. I mean let us know if it's not guys. Yeah, most people also get a glass of champagne on arrival. So by the time the cash bar kicks in everyone's had quite a bit to drink anyway, so they overestimate how much I think yeah. They overestimate how much I hate. You need not to come to Canada because I already drinks is nothing here. We are land of the open bar open bar proud and free. Yeah, but I mean Oh, Canada. I give my heart to thee. What is the one like for drinks in before? I'm like really? Yeah getting a good on. Oh, yeah. Yeah, so come to our weddings guys. Alice was actually now Alice is the bride. I think. Yes, this is weird. Alice was actually buying more drinks than normal as there was champagne on arrival free wine with dinner around for the toast and an after-dinner cocktail plenty of booze. I just think it's weird a bride buying her own drinks, but that's just weird. I think I bought me before more drinks all night, and I was up nearly till 6 a.m. Halfway through the meal GG suddenly leans over and Poor's half her glass of rosé wine into my glass of white. She claims. She's feeling Tipsy and needs to drink glasses. So even though I'm annoyed she ruined my drink, I'd be like cool more wine that kind of goes together. I'd rather that than have her fall down drunk next thing though the waitress with the wine arrives over and Gigi Downs was left of her glass and Ask for a refill at this point. I'm just confused and asked what the fuck she's doing at which point she launches into a tirade about how she is 22 years of age and I need to respect her and that she knows how to drink. So back off. Wow, uh-huh. I made the mistake of rolling my eyes and saying I know you can drink staying sober is the bit you can't do. Wow. That's amazing. What is the drinking age over there? I believe it's 18. Okay. Yeah, so by 22-year definitely. Yeah. And my expert fruity drinks hurt and Mom starts hissing at me not to be a bitch. Don't be a bitch. I pretend like I can't hear her. So she comes over and quote accidentally knocks my entire glass of white flash Rose a crap all over me. She laughs and makes out like it was an accident, but I can tell from the way she's looking at me that it wasn't these women are bitches all of them. Seriously. Oh my God, I go to the bathroom to dry off and on the way back I go to check on my partner in the kids. He as enlisted George's Aunt for help with the little one. Who's George do we know do Georges Georges is the groom? Oh George is the groom. I'm like, wait what? I just don't remember like from the other part. You know what? I'm right. So George is the groom. So he's Enlisted the groom's Aunt for help with the little ones and everyone's getting along great. We chat for a few minutes when he says, oh by the way, you might want to know I saw your dad with a bag of props earlier. Oh God, maybe never Never good bag of props what I know his speech is coming up and I'm panicking now because I can only imagine what he's going to say. I catch a glimpse of the speech as I walked past on the way back to my seat and the page number 2 of 23 catches my eye imagine 23 pages of a speech but with props to ya so he gets to act out in a sentence funny. So the speech time arrives and the father of the groom and best man make some lovely speeches at one point, Georgia. Is dad makes a joke about Alice having a single sister left and George having single brother left Gigi and Andy and that they should pair off. Oh, that was the one she was like putting her boobs out to the whole. Yes ride, right Gigi's face lights up. There you go. She then goes around for the rest of the night telling anyone who will listen that she's oh my God. So embarrassed the George's dad said that in his speech and now everyone knows that her nandi hooked up that one time even though they totally didn't nobody knew that and Allison George. We're not happy to find out. Oh, they did hook up that one time I guess. So, yeah, it's calling bullshit on him. Like I know. Yeah, I know can't believe it shit. They were really embarrassed at how she was acting and it was also really embarrassing for Andy because she told literally everyone she spoke to and he's quite a private guy sounds like a good combination. I'm yeah awkward as fuck for everyone involved then it's my dad's. Turn. Alice is squeezing my arm, so tight that I can barely feel my fingers. So I know she's nervous. He starts off. All right talking mostly about himself and his job where he is, very important. Did you know I love those features then he starts to talk about my sister as a child screaming for him when she woke up from tonsil surgery. Not quite how it went. She screamed when she saw him shit, it's Dad run. She's in the hospital bed bed. What do people feel the need to There's beaches just just be honest just be like congratulations. I don't know you that well, I love you. But by as kids if you were in bed and Dad came into the room, it meant you were getting beaten for something. Holy shit. She actually screamed because she just had tonsil surgery and thought her dad was going to beat the shit out of her. That's so sad. Oh my God, I can't laugh anymore. He started peppering the speech with overly flowery words for no reason. He used about five different. Over-the-top sentences to say that she was screaming then he went on to tell us some more stories about Alice except. None of them were real. He made jokes about her being drunk on her 21st birthday party, even though she was pregnant at the time and never got to have a party cool. He doesn't he's like making up memories. Yeah. He talked about him helping her study for a college exam because he's a professor and knows everything except she never asked him for help and did a beauty course while he teaches business which aren't even remotely. The same this whole family is a pile of shit. Like they're just a mess like the father's a pile of shit the mothers of pilot. They're all just giant steaming piles of crap. Okay, but can we agree on that first before we proceed? Well, I mean, I think they're a mess no giant piles of crap. That's like a whole other level of mess for sure piles of crap. It's I find it interesting though. Like I want to study them like primates in the jungle. A little Cajun could all hi-yah sure. They cook like this like what happened? What happened? I think we know what happened Dad but the mothers not cool either. So no, that's what he's probably a reason. There's like this friction everywhere, right? So let's just let's just agree. This is not a healthy family. No, no definitely not so dot also talked about how protective he was of us. He wasn't my god. Well considering you're beating your children are while he's beating them. Yeah, apparently my doing this for your own good. And how the first time he met George he scared him but eventually grew to accept him which was good because then they got pregnant so he had to marry her first off. Wow, that's cold. He had to marry her. That's yeah, she's not awful. Wow. Yeah, he doesn't know. I don't even know where to start with this. Yes. First off. I was the only family member who knew about George until after Alice became pregnant and secondly being pregnant doesn't mean George was forced to stay. He stayed because he loved her. Thank you. Thank you for saying that. That this is not a shotgun wedding. Yeah, everybody's going to start assuming this is a shotgun wedding. Yeah at this point mom started rolling her eyes and shaking her head and a few times even loudly side and mouth that never happened to the guests awkward then Dad made some comments about my partner not being allowed to marry me yet insisting we quote remain living in sin because don't forget. This is the third sister telling this story. Yeah. Yeah, right because he couldn't afford. Bride this year. He paid for nothing Al the Galan this guy hmm Alice even paid for the rental of his suit. He finished the speech by giving George a fire extinguisher quote for when Al it's Alex's turn to make dinner. Ha ha ha I hate when people are on that level awful quiet. Let them have their day leave her alone and taking a plastic penis giving it to Alice and telling George his testicles would be in her. Her handbag if he needed them. That's like next level what Dad does fucked up once it's completely insane like he went and bought that bought a dildo on goes. What is that for oats for my daughter's wedding and you know when he went bought it he was laughing to himself thinking he's so hilarious. This is gonna be so funny, which is so messed up. Not at all. Inappropriate. Like I mean, I have a very Dirty sense of humor at myself. Yeah, but not at a wedding. I'm never going to show up to my kids wedding would the dildo? Yeah from Daddy. Yeah, not good eventually. Thank God the speeches were done and dad went outside with a box of cigars to act like a big shot in front of other men, which is his favorite hobby. He sounds like he's the king of toxic masculinity to yes. Yeah, we breathed a sigh of relief because although the speech was bad. It wasn't as bad as we expected and we were nearly Done the first it wasn't that is the expected. I don't even want to know what wow. Wow Next Level. The first dance was next. And once we had finished dancing with the groomsmen Gigi was allowed to change. She looked ridiculous because she was dressed for a night in a club, but she was comfortable and complained less. So we let it slide. She's there like just shut up. We put the kids to bed had a few drinks danced a bit and had fun. Then we noticed how much she was blatantly hitting on George's Brothers cousins and Friends it was Berra cing but they all seemed well able to handle her. So he said nothing next thing mom comes up. All pissed off Dad is embarrassing her by acting quote like a freak. I find that so funny by the only now he's forcing her only now only know by this she means he's standing at the side of the Dance Floor staring at Alice and telling everyone around him how hard it is for him to let his daughter go right? Wow. Did he watch like every Wedding movie Father of the Bride. Yeah and just like I don't make it all I don't think Steve Martin had a dildo in that one. I almost feel like he's like a narcissist or something a massive nurses. Yeah, you'd be a psychopath to yes, and he's trying to look mimic what emoji and host like he doesn't know what he likes to do sociopath. Yes. Oh, I had a boss like that one time. Oh, well, I'll tell you one time. Maybe I'll tell you on the patreon. Yes. I'll tell you major because I don't want that. I don't actually want that like out there. Anyway, we'll talk about it later. Alice has noticed this too and is about ready to snap. So when dad comes up and asks her to dance she responds with no fuck off good for her. He looks like he's really a like that that's good for her. Yeah, but at the same time we are like dildo Rebecca. Wow, v-fib. I still don't think I could say no fuck off like that's aggressive. Well, where'd she get it from right? Right true. He looks like he's ready to kill her and so does mom so I laugh make a joke about how she's danced so much her feet are sore and quietly tell Alice to just do it before they kick up a huge scene she dances with him for a minute or two until he's happy. He's looked like a great father and then leaves again to smoke cigars. So the night goes on pretty well. Dad is making jokes about how he's filing for bankruptcy now because this cost so much Mom is telling everyone about her quote hair disaster that morning members. Air disaster. Yep, the fake hair disaster and Alice and I are doing ridiculous dance that we used to do as kids complete with arm flailing and Loud singing so the bar closes and most scariest sleeve but the bridal party the groomsmen and a few friends of Allison George's stick around at the residence bar. We were a bit tipsy singing Disney songs and the next thing GG yawns stretches her leg over George's older brother. Greg's knees and leans on his chest. She goes. Oh Greg my feet are so sore. From the day would you rub them for me? I'll make it up to you Winx. I would like to point out at this stage Greg is holding his girlfriend. Joanne's hand. They've been together for eight years Joanne and Greg are staring in shock. And Alice is livid and demands Gigi come to the bathroom with her to talk I go with them to try to calm Alice down, but it still ends in a screaming match where Alice tells Gigi. She is embarrassed by her behavior. And she wants an apology Gigi says Alice is the one who should apologize for screaming a GG when she did nothing. Wrong Alice says that she needs to grow up and that these people are her family now and she doesn't want to be embarrassed in front of them by Gigi's attention-seeking Behavior. Gigi calls her a bridezilla because which is the go-to, right? Yeah moment. You do something that she doesn't like your bridezilla and says that without the wedding dress Alyce is nothing Jesus. That's cold. Alice tells her to fuck off because that's what she does that night and which is totally fair in my opinion and Gigi. ABS the to love her dress and rips, huh? Oh, no, we were we all stand there in shock and Gigi storms off, but I think she even knew she had gone too far this time. I expected tears but Alice just looks sad and asked that I get rid of Gigi so she can enjoy her night. I went back out and Gigi was gone. I went back to tell Alice only to see Sarah the other bridesmaid crying in a corner being comforted by her boyfriend. Oh God. So what's drama so much Terror When I asked what was wrong, she told me Gigi had told her that Alice was livid at her for changing out of her dress. She had changed about two hours after Gigi. And Alice was fine with it. Once all the photos were taken. I had to explain that that wasn't true and send Alice out there to talk to her. Oh my God this poor bride eventually everything calmed down but the drama had kind of killed the fun. So we all went to bed the next day Alice refused to speak to Gigi. Mom pitched a fit about how she would quote not allow her child to be treated this way by a Ellis ignore it because she's the favorite, right? Yeah. Yeah ignoring the fact that Gigi was the cause of it all we were having a mall lunchtime after party in Mom's house that okay. That sounds amazing a mall lunchtime after party. Yeah. I don't know what that means. I don't know what that means but I liked it but it's at Mom's house. So it can't be an actual mall. Yes. I just like to point that out an after-party mom's house the next day after the wedding afterwards Alice was writing a thank-you list of the gift. She got and loudly said Golden Goose. Zeus no gift received. Wow GG then gave Alice and opened bottle of vodka and claimed it was their gift and that they were so rude. They shouldn't get a gift. I had brought it for the after-party and George doesn't even drink Vodka. She still refuses to speak with her. She didn't bring her a gift home from the honeymoon. I would hope not she ignores her when she comments on her Facebook pictures. It's great. I'd love it if she would go. And what's NC I'd love. Oh, I'd love if she would go and see which I think is non comunicados my going on comunicados much smoother. So I think she's saying basically like I want to go out of communication with her, and if she would just do it first it would make it a heck of a lot easier on me. Wow, bitches be crazy if there's any updates. I will update you guys in the new year. Thank you, but damn. Yeah. Yeah Sola takes the stress out of wedding planning with free wedding websites your dream wedding registry affordable save the dates and invitations and easy to use planning tools. You can conveniently manage everything online and in one place, so is Zola was around when I got married start your wedding planning with a free wedding website. It's so easy and takes just minutes to set up. 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Remember there's a lot this week. Yay. Thank you to William M hannassey Beck's s Helen V Carol F brand. Eh Ashley diiemma P&A me be the he went to patreon.com slash secret life of weddings to get more dirt more drama more llama more drama for the Llama. That's what I wanted to say. Yay, and if I missed you if I ever miss you, I'm so sorry like I do my best to keep up on the name. So, I hope I don't and we love you either way. So thank you so much for subscribing. I really appreciate it. And we do an extra half-hour episode every single darn week. We do early releases depending on what level you want to go to like there's so much fun. We do video behind the scenes videos with the preview sneak preview of a story coming up the next week. There's lots of fun stuff. So yeah, we're going to record a video of our Reda trip today. Yeah, which will be fun. So so since everybody's so invested. Yeah cruise control. Oh my God you guys we have an update. Oh shit. Now, I know some people know that what the update is because you know because they're there are drama whores. Yes, and they went and searched it out. But we've been sent this like 20 times in the last like two to three weeks like yeah, we hear you we are weird. Okay. Okay guys, thank you do it. Thank you. Thank you for sending it to yes. Thank you. Okay, the fucker has been talking to cruise control behind my back. Oh shit, and it's highlighted. No advice. Wanted we're keeping in mind. This is read it right. I'm going to bite my tongue right now. Yeah. Okay. Anyway, here it is. I thought DH is neutral spine had been cured he was so enthusiastic and agreed with everything. We said in couples counseling don't I have to say don't you hate that damn noodle Spike. It's a throwback. He he was so on board. He was coming up with a Diaz himself. He has been lying to me the Entire time he has a secret email account. Oh my God, he's been emailing her to keep her happy so that she won't go too crazy. Oh, no, I wondered why she wasn't escalating something seemed so off about it you all we fucking consulted lawyers about her. We wrote and sent a cease-and-desist kind of hard to take a scary letter saying stay away from us. Seriously when the person who sent it is violating it dude. This is like cheating. Yeah in a creepy ass way. I know it's his mom, but like this is but it's about the deception. Yeah, right. Yeah, it's as bad. He wrote an email to her warning her that she's going to get a scary letter in the mail but not to be freaked out. I was just hurt by the fact that she tried to get me fired and I needed to let my frustrations out. She tried to get her fired. Absolutely. I don't remember that there is a lot. She's posted a few things. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. You guys can go and read it because you a little much because it's so not it wasn't related to why that the wedding is at all. Yeah, it's just it's just their whole relationship. So active Rebecca sort of like laser focused in the cruise control Saga a little bit for you guys on the show. Yeah. Yeah, but there's like backstory and stuff. But for real if you just you can just go read it. Yeah. I really don't want advice. I also really don't want to be urged to cross post on another thread. I packed a bag and My parents I'm spending Thanksgiving with them. He's no longer invited. I also called my father-in-law and told him everything maybe that was petty of me. I'm just hoping that father-in-law can talk some sense into him and make him understand how supremely fucked his behavior is no kidding. I don't know what I want or why I'm posting I guess I just want some animal gifts and sympathy thrown my way. I thought you but I thought you said gifts and I was like, you just send me kittens nothing. Nothing, but boxes of kittens if I can make one request anyone have good book recommendations. I like historical fiction, but really hate sex scenes written down. I've been reading a lot of Ken as you stole it lately and his sex scenes are awkward as hell and I can't take anymore. I don't know we should cut the four books with no romance whatsoever. Not in the mood at the moment. Anyways, I left all that in for a reason. Okay. What's your reason? My reason being is that? I wish someone would would befriend this woman. Yeah, she needs a friend. She needs a friend. She does not need read it. No, she does not need the online Universe giving her advice because a she's not going to take it obviously and be she she obviously feels very lonely in her life. Yeah. So in that regard I feel bad for her and I know she said I don't know why I'm posting this and she's asking for book recommendations and stuff honey. Get a friend. Yeah, go have coffee the best thing and talk it out with them and he'll get a therapist if you need to and talk it out with them. Definitely because so far I get that you're writing it out of frustration. Yeah, but there's only so much that online comments can give you they can validate you a little bit, but it Cause you such anxiety. Yeah, I know but you but like the moment if I post something that's controversial and yeah moment someone comes up against me. I have like a fucking panic attack. Yeah, like going oh my God, I and I shouldn't care so much what other people think but I do. Yeah, so I don't know how that could be calming to her know like I get that maybe she feels a little less lonely and she's getting like support in some way but and I am not judging people who do this, but at the same time you need to go sort your life out. Yeah. Yeah, try to try to get some human contact but yes going to be and you know what it's so you don't it's so helpful to have a front. Oh, yeah. Okay. Can I just say like we all go through problems? Yeah. I've been MIA for a couple days. And you know what Lisa's been like my friggin Rock. So, you know y'all we all have shit that honest-to-god you need a friend to go through it with and if you can't find one look a little harder, seriously, that is some good. Face. Yeah, that is some good advice because what I was going to say is I was so before we start this podcast. I was so fucking lonely. Yeah, like it's so funny because if I can just get sappy her for a minute before Christmas. It's true. It's true though. No is true. And it's like I never had like Justin has this buddy his best friend and he they talk all the time every day. They always texting each other always, you know, yeah. About Records, or just stupid shit, whatever but I never had that like ever yeah, so I was always a bit jealous because not jealous just envious because I was always like, oh, I have a couple friends, but I don't really see them anymore. Yeah, you know from high school because you know, just your lives change whatever and I never had that and then we started this podcast and then it's like I had a reason to talk to you all the time. Yeah. It just became this natural like I have to tell Rebecca this I have yeah like and now we talk multiple times a day. Yes on the phone and text. Yeah, and it's amazing and I can't even describe how grateful I am for this friendship as I really can't like I feel like I could call you for anything cause I don't think I've ever had that yeah in my life. It's amazing. But I mean it I really am so I feel like you know, you girl there's only like a couple few people in my life like my parents, you know, obviously our parents I yeah, but like really in a pinch. I feel like I call. You and Justin. Yeah, you know, yeah. So anyway, that's just me talking. It's important guys it is make sure you have your your crew your yes, at least someone like someone needs someone to talk to like a real life people online are real but I mean a real life real assholes like a knee in front of you. Yes, and that talk to you fuckface time them if you have to but us just to talk at least on the phone like something they actually have and they have if you really can't though they have they have therapy. Now online which talks yes, I've heard about advertised on a log S. No, I haven't used it myself, but I'm just saying if you feel that you don't have a friend to turn to I'm pretty sure they can even do Skype sessions with you talk space. Yeah, Google that guys if you're looking for help of any kind, like a lot of people have seasonal affective disorder a little bit down around Christmas time and like there's no sun. Like I was way down on my vitamin D and feeling Wicked depressed and my doctor had to get me on some vitamin D. Yeah because like that can affect you so much. Especially with our Winters guys. Yes, my anxiety and stuff like so your cure my depression anxiety have been terrible lately and I just like I'm completely fine sharing that I'm glad you shared that people need to know that yeah, there's a real person behind this totally. It's so common. I have major like, you know Panic anxiety depression issues. Yeah, and the last like two months have been awful. My anxiety have been has been just out of control. So I was like changing up my medication a little bit happens and the good news is well. I don't not really I baby in front of you. I know you don't think you do but I don't think you could be yourself enough credit. Maybe I have no perspective on it. Right like yeah, that's me and my alone in my head. Yeah. I my symptom was I couldn't settle into anything. Yeah even stuff. I enjoyed I couldn't like sit on the couch watch Gilmore Girls or anything anymore. Like I could yeah, I would just start to think about to do something then just get depressed about doing it and not want to do it anymore. But I started on a new medication a couple days ago and it has made all the difference for me. So I just want to say like if you're going through that and You are on a vacation. It's not working anymore. Yep. Go talk to your doctor to get help it actually your body gets used to things and then you have to change it. And then even when I changed I was on the wrong one and I tried I tried to let it work. Yeah, I know they say it can take like eight to 12 weeks whatever but I told my doctor said, you know, I've never been like that. He goes, you know, it's rare but some people hyper absorb medication and right you are probably one of them and he goes, I've got two other patients like you they're both blond hair blue eyes. I was so funny. I said that Funny and I said, maybe it's a genetic thing because I said I'm very sensitive to pain. I'm very sent, you know, blue eyed. People are sensitive to light. Yes. Maybe we're just more sensitive. Yeah roll and he said yeah, that's probably probably right on my pain thresholds fucking massive. No, you have dark drives them. Whoa boys you blew I thought they were kind of like greeny blue know you do blue baby blue blue blue. So you know what? Fuck that then I guess I'm wrong. No, you're probably right. I don't know. I'm a whim of all I'm a Love with pain. I was like three centimeters dilated with my baby and I was like pump meet. Give me the fucking needle right now. I need it. I don't care if it's an epidural or heroin at this point. Just put it in my arm back or wherever the fuck you put it and dose me because I can't do this. Like I don't know how women have babies. Yeah, I've had to and I don't know how they do it. Yes, but you did it. I didn't know because I was drugged the shut the fuck up like I don't know I couldn't no no, I couldn't do that. Yeah. Anyway, our Reddit wrap for this week Rebecca. Yeah, it wasn't so much the wedding that went wrong. It was the reception that's a big part of the one where immediately after the speech is and just before the couple Cut the Cake the bride's younger sister was called out by her boyfriend of about six months from what I gather who then proposed to her in front of everyone now as bad as that was it wasn't the highlight. You know our opinion about that right guys, we're not we're not really big fans of that. We actually just did a YouTube video about top re telling that story about when the best man. Yeah, she and proposed and I was bad. Yeah, that was bad. So that wasn't even the worst part. It wasn't the Highlight I should say that would have been the bride pulling her sister aside to have a few heated words along the lines of what the fuck do you think you're doing which then became a heated argument which then turned into a full-blown fist. between the pair of them one of the theme of this episode I think is fist women is so much anger how much hanger so much hate it became a full-blown fistfight between the pair of them. One of the venue staff must have called the police because that night ended with the bride absolutely fucking covered in blood her sister had got in a really good shot that burst her nose like a bag of crisps being trodden on by a fat bloke though the that made the stew. He's so much better. Oh my God and her sister with to obviously knocked out front teeth being arrested for assault and causing the affray. Amazingly the couple are still together some 15 years on I have no idea if the Sisters still talk though crazy pretty great. That's something else. Right? Can we can we finish with our chitchat now sure yay. Let's do it. So I don't remember what it was to be me. It was gonna be you have a rant and then I have a Jill style. So do you want to start with your rant and then I'll end on the Jill story because it's just a little it's very short surely surely sure but it's sort of like a funny little okay from her, you know, so of course wearing wedding groups, right at most people are especially people getting married or wedding vendors like us wedding photographers a topic that keeps repeating itself is Disappointment with wedding photos. So yes, we've given advice And have said to hire professional beaten this to death your disappointment in your photos is terrible. We acknowledge that we do not want anyone to be unhappy with their photos, but that's not today's issue. No, so what hey, what is today's your so it's like pee first going into these groups and being like I hate my wedding photos. I II honestly I'm not joking with you guys and I tell my clients this I would fucking cry and probably closed my business if It was truly disappointed with the photos. I break our hearts like it really wet. I don't it's not just you know, clicking a button it. I'm actually we actually put ourselves into this like I really do you guys are taking a piece of me away with you want to like like we're quite literally sometimes reflected in your eyes. Yes during the photo. Yes, if you zoom in close enough. Yes, like it's we really do take a lot of pride in our work we care. Yes first you all please. Out that a great photo like the most amazing photo in the world will not fix your insecurities. No, that's perfect. Yes. Thank you. Okay. It doesn't matter how good your photographer is. It doesn't matter how great the photo is. It doesn't matter if it the photo won awards we cannot fix your insecurities. Okay. So if you hate your arms, yes, I'm just going to pick a really common. Yep common complaint from from people. That was like, I hate my arms and all these photos. Yep, then Wear a dress that doesn't highlight your arms. Maybe don't maybe don't go strapless go with something with sleeves which is so beautiful and elegant. Yeah or even a shrug or like something to break up the line of the arm. Yes, because dude, I'm a queen of hate my arms. I would not do that. Yes, you know what? I mean? I get it. I re-read your view of yourself in the mirror and your view of yourself in a photo are different. Yes. Can you know why this is psychologically I go ahead. No, you tell no no, go ahead. It's interesting because we don't like how we look in photos because we are flipped visually in our brain. Yes. So you see yourself. Our face isn't everything or not symmetrical. Yeah, even though it kind of looks symmetrical. They're actually not know. So if you look at your face in the mirror, you think you look one way you're going to automatically like a photo better of yourself, if you just take a photo of yourself and flip it. Yes and look at it and you'll like it better. Yeah, it's a weird trick, but you it'll look more like yourself to you. Yes, because that's how you see yourself every day. Yes, exactly. So so, you know when you're I noticed like a lot of brides especially, you know, trying on wedding dresses and whatnot. And a lot of the times they're picking dresses based on how the dress looks and not how the dress looks on them. Yes, and I'm not knocking anybody that does that but we're when your bag if you want when you attach to your photographer after the fact and say, oh I was bulging here or bulging there. Can you get rid of it? Well, It's not our responsibility. No, it's not and of course I will but I mean, you know, she gets taken advantage of I totally do queen has dried onions these problems before your photographs actually like they bother you you don't go into it saying. Oh, I'll just get them to photoshop it no. Oh my God, if I hear that one more time, it's guess what everyone else that that wedding that's taking photos of you. You're going to hate. Yeah, you will. Can I just say though if you think I'm going to sit there and Photoshop every single photo from your wedding to fix something? That's not my fault hell to the no. No, I'm sorry. We do not get paid enough for that. No, I'm sorry. I know you guys think we get paid a ton and we really do not get paid enough that I know. It's a lot of work the amount of hours that go into one client. Yeah, it's shocking. Yes, so I don't even want to know and some people are making them out. They're charging this like less than minimum wage. Yeah, so I don't even want to hear it. Yeah. Can I be bitchy for a minute? Yeah wedding photography. I'm in it. I don't really want to hear it. Because it's not our fault and we're just expected to fix all these problems. Oh, can you fix this? Can you fix that and don't get me wrong we do our best and we go bend over backwards to make our clients happy. So sometimes when we feel we have to yeah, so if there's something that you tried your best and you didn't mean for it to happen or whatever offer to pay the photographer to fix it. That's--that just 10 times out of 20 or more than that. They'll probably say I'll fix this money for you for free or I'll do ya the bat You want for free because we just really care that much. But please don't expect it. Yes, you know, it's like walking into someone's house and expecting a meal. It's like you would walk into a restaurant and pay for a meal wouldn't you you'd ask if you could buy a meal you would expect them to feed you a prime example. I just had a client message me and unfortunately their dog passed away and they had done one of my family many sessions that I did like three years ago. Sure. Okay, so they came back and they at that time they had not selected I took Few photos of the dog alone and they had not selected that as part of their photos that they chose sure. So she was wondering if I still had them and I did and she offered she's like just let me know how much it is. Yeah, and and I was like, you know what Merry Christmas there you go. So sorry for your loss, you know, but I appreciated that she offered yeah, you know, I mean because I did take the time to go a look for the photos which three years ago. I had to go Diggin. So with how much quick more quickly were you to be like, please have it and Merry Christmas. - yeah, cuz she offered exactly. Hey. Yeah time I was like don't worry about it though. Good. It's just respect. Yeah, that's all. Yep. So to everyone who shows respect to their vendors and we've had a lot of amazing Brides. Yeah saying that they are, you know, loving their vendors trying to give us break showing us respect and love thank you. Yes. Thank you. You are the change that we wanted to see and we just appreciate it. A lot of people didn't understand. Yeah, and I hope that just chatting about it has really opened up some eyes, too. Kind of just how bad the job can be and again be wonderful to but it can also be really tough. Yeah, so thank you for listening to us. Yes. And so to finish that first point we can't fix your insecurities. Okay as much as I'd like to I'd love to I would love to just fix my own show you how beautiful I see you. Yes, but you know what? I mean like Oh, and it sometimes is beautiful women usually guys to don't get me wrong guys have been introduced to me. But let's let's be honest. It's the bride's yeah. Much that are hating themselves in these photos charts, which is so sad because you're not you're never more beautiful than you are in your wedding day because yeah the happiest day of your life. Yes, and I get it because I don't like my photo taken asked Lisa. Like I despise I hate myself for photos, but you're beautiful you're at the same time. I'm not going to blame the photographer for how I look yes. Yes because I've actually had one of the best in the world take my photo. So that's very, yeah, right. Yeah, so and I was still like I know I was like you look fucking beautiful. No, no and but that's on me. That's not on him. Anyways, second Point your photographer. This is a big one. I know you're going to chime in on this because you're going to be like fuck your photographer gives you the best photos the best. I'm going to repeat it. They give you the best photos from the day. Yes. Okay. Thank you. We professionals do this sometimes every weekend. We know what we shot. We know what we worked out. We know what we did in to. Yes, we know. What was what Turned out and what didn't okay, we know that we didn't make a mistake and not giving you a photo. Maybe we took a shot and it didn't turn out to be great. The only time I would say there's a caveat with this is yes, if there was something that was really particularly photographed like a family formal grouping or something. That's because there has been yeah rare time in 11 years when there was a glitch with my upload or something and see if it was legit missing. Yeah, but if you just think there's quote Oh just more from that location or more yallah, please don't what I'm talking. It's the worst I said now as creative professionals, we are artists like just putting out there. We are artists are like it's the same thing. If you asked a painter, why didn't you paint that color the yes, exactly. Well, then I didn't think it'd look good. So we get to choose what we deliver to you. That's just part of it. That's that's that's just part of you have to release that can be yes. Exactly. You should trust we have given you the best and the best ones and that they pass not only like artistic eye, but are very Critical eyes. Oh, yeah, like we're very critical of your photos. Trust me. You're way more picky. Yes. Yes. Yes I said so even just a white balancing. Oh my God. How often have you sat there in your life and looked at something and went I don't know about that skin tone and oh giving a shit about it and they won't care. Yes, they won't notice because to anybody to the outside world. You guys don't see it how we see it. So we're very very picky we can tell if it's like five points to magenta like, it's crazy what? Yes see in color. So my fucking Beef is with people in wedding groups telling other people that have gotten married and got their photos back. I'll ask your fatigue or go ask your photographer for all the photos. No hard know. Usually we delete them 80% of the time. Your photographer will say no that is horrible advice. Okay, guys, this is this off you've first of all the second I get that email. Let me tell you unless I've missed like Lisa said a family Formal or something that's missing from your gallery. I completely understand that. But if you're asking me to give you five different versions of the same photo, I'm going to give you a hard. No. Yeah guys, they are out of focus. You blinked. It wasn't a sharp. You didn't look as good. There's a reason we didn't give them to you. Yes, some photographers such as Lisa shoot really shallow. Okay, so to get that exact precise I have to do like phone and focus. Yeah of that shot that she wants for you. Exactly. Like she said she's taken 10 me alone. I shoot you have to get the expression. I don't shoot. Yeah, I don't shoot as shallow as you do but even at my 3.5 that I generally hover around guys, that's not an entire photo in Focus. No, you guys need to understand that we're not doing this intentionally. So we're not holding your photos hostage know so it was driving me nuts because it kept coming up in groups and I was like, no this is not a stop. Yeah. Okay. You have a platform to talk about it. Yeah. We just want to it's Gotta stop. I'm giving you we are giving you the Best advice possible a unless there's something truly important missing from your group of photos. Don't ask your photographer. Please don't don't if you are unhappy with your photos talked I'm going into groups and bitching about it and talk to your photographer honest to God. We actually give a shit a big shit. Yes, if you're not happy. I want to know. Yeah, I really do Lisa. I swear to God I do like I want to know I don't want to know but I do want to know yes, I don't I don't want it. I'm like, yeah, I don't break our heart. Yes. Don't don't do it lightly but it really is breaking your heart. Try to be reasonable. Yeah, and try to be logical. Yes and say be understanding like yeah, you didn't give them enough time and you know, you didn't give them enough time. Don't hold them to a standard as if they had like two additional hours. That's exactly that's not fair now, but just be constructive and just say, you know, I know we were limited on time or I know we had these challenges. I just wondered how we can make this work, you know and seek because they'll probably know. If there if you're not going to be happy, no, not all yes, but sometimes you know, we kind of might know because there was other problems or hiccups in the day. Yes, they may sense it already. Yes. So just be nice just be human because honestly when my day is when my time is cut short, oh, was it a couple of do you know who hears about it Lisa? Yep, and I'm like fuck. Yeah. She's like, I know I had like five minutes with them and I was like, yeah, I do a minimum of an hour, you know, like what I request. Well, I These things that's why it's all my contract I request this amount of time. And if you don't give it to me, I'm no longer responsible. We're not liable for it. Yes, because guys ate it takes us a good but five-time is just to warm you up and get you could calm down off this huge higher on right also to get the maid of honor to stop talking to you and you're talking and people just stop giving you directions and telling you what to do and how to do this oftentimes. I take couples away from everybody all I can't stand it when people start to direct. Yes my clients. Yeah, just Stop, please. So if you know that your we need time to work. Okay, so but my whole point was stop it in the fucking groups giving this horrendous advice. Yeah, I'm done with it. We're not the magic well of photos no work. That was not an Ender never-ending pit is it's a fucking pit we've gone through every one of your goddamn photos. I'm getting that sometimes all 5,000 of them. Yes that I've shot them. Yes much, you know, we're going through thousands of photos not all of them are. It okay, and it's not that oh, well you and a lot of them said well what I think is good what they think is good as two different codes. No, it's just not know. There is a standard that has to be met blinking is pretty do you think out of focus is pretty do you have looking like you're going to sneeze is yeah because these are the things we're cutting out or duplicates. Yes, or when they will nail the photo and it's the same damn picture if they have any great change even on talking like big smiles a little smile. I tend to deliver quite Loosely. Yeah, and I will give both Both, yes. Yeah, cuz I'm like terrified you won't love them. So it's lie over deliver myself. Me too. Yeah. Yeah, you know, I got all the chakras do guys though. So, you know, that's a healthy question to ask that when you're when you're scouting your photography. Yes. How many photos can I expect that's a normal question which I would encourage because then you have an expectation. Yeah, and because there are some photographers incredibly talented ones. I'm not one of them. Yeah that can shoot like 400 exposures in a wedding day and deliver 200 killer images. Yes. Not that decisive. No, I will deliver 800, you know, yeah. Yeah exactly. Yeah ask because you know what your friend got in a photographer what you get are two completely different things. Exactly. We're not all the same. We don't all wear artists. Yes. Yep. Yeah. It's like comparing painters. I was just going to say that again Van Gogh and Monet. Yeah, like yeah not even close. But yeah, I don't know how to put a stop to the bad advice going around wedding groups, but it's starting to drive me nuts. Well people listen to when we were talking about Yeah, wedding vendors and how we get treated and yeah wedding vendors are saying like they're getting treated better as a result. So maybe this will help a little bit in the post-production and I know you guys think it doesn't hurt to ask. Yeah, it does actually purposeless. Seriously. It stresses us out. My husband gets so stressed. Oh my God, I miss like you know what? I mean? Yeah, and then we started out goat. Yeah, we start to go back through and then we start to stress and then we stir like a like there's a legit reason. Like I said, you're missing a family formulas I know was taken in her. Yep, something really special. Yeah asked by all means but yes if You think it's just an artistic decision? Maybe just don't bust their balls. Yatch or I know we took when facing this way. Not that way like guys it's because it didn't work out. Yeah. Okay, I gotta go. Let it slide Let It Go There You Go. Perfect. I have a young daughter. Can you tell speaking of young daughters? Yes, let's hear it. I want to finish off this episode with just a little Jewel anecdote. Mmm. It's as you know, my daughter Jill. She's almost 5:00. She's a little firecracker. She is a firecracker. I like it and she's funny. She is funny. So the other day were hanging out and I think I think I was putting her to bed and I was talking about. Oh, I know what I know. I wasn't putting her to bed. We were sitting down here in the living room. And she was saying about Liam she goes he's gonna he's not going to move out and I said like her father her brother is like six. Okay, so like Don't know why she's talking about this but she is and so I go no, she's so far beyond her years. Oh, yeah, he does. He's not the move out. I said, he's gonna move out. He's gonna grow you said. Oh, yes, he is. He's gonna grow up and move out and go to university or whatever go to college and get a job. And yeah do all that she goes. Well, I'm never going to move out. I'm gonna live here forever. I'm gonna die when you die. Thank you. Okay, I couldn't believe she's I was like that's so creepy and touching it without any time. How did you not go? Oh I get it. Yeah broken heart syndrome. I like that is you know broken hearts it like I'll die when you die was Yang. I would just want to say that just to see if she got it because I feel like she would understand but she's probably would understand but she's like so fucking crazy. She's but the best part is she looked me right in the eyes dead in the eyes and yeah because I'm gonna die when you die. Her delivery is like crazy. Oh is perfect. Yeah, it was Perfection. Yeah. I just I've had that in my head like to do I have to tell Rebecca that that's funny. It was so good. Oh my God, that's amazing was so good. Thank you for hanging with us. Yeah, it's been great. Yeah, so good and Rebecca anything can happen at weddings, and we will be here to tell you all about it. Well, that's it for us this week on The Secret Life of weddings podcast if you need more drama in your life go over to patreon. 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This is real Health chats real talk about health issues important to you and your family. I'm dr. D. And I'm Becky the doctor's wife. Welcome to the show. Hey everyone. Welcome to real Health chats. This is episode 1 Health screenings. Nothing. We say should be taken as medical advice for specific questions. Please talk to your doctor episode one. That's exciting it is. Alright. So let's get into it what our health screenings. So in general a health screening is a test that's done looking for a disease or health problem when there's not any symptoms present. So is that something that you would get at a yearly checkup which we think everyone should have write a yearly checkup with their doctor? Yes. Usually that's when these tests will be discussed and arranged and talked about with your doctor at a yearly physical or yearly Health wellness exam if you're not one that's prone to going to yearly Wellness exams then Doctor May recommend it when you just show up for an illness. Okay. Yeah because some of us don't really like going to the doctor. Yeah, we know that so we try and get people when they're kind of captive audiences and recommend some of these things when when we have them there in the office, but in general it's something we would recommend during a yearly Wellness physical or exam. Okay. So a screening test is something that's done when there's no symptoms. You have symptoms. That's a complete lie. Different tests, although sometimes it's the same test. Right? Right. That's a good explanation. A screening test is something we do when there's no symptoms, but we're looking for some type of disease or problem a diagnosis or a diagnostic test is when somebody shows up with a symptom and then we order a test to try and diagnose what the problem is that's causing that symptom. Okay, and sometimes that's the same test. So let's go into some of the times be the same test. Okay, so I we could do an example now and then talk about okay the specific screening recommendations later. So a good example of this is a colonoscopy a colonoscopy is a screening test for colon cancer for most people it's recommended at age 50. So when we do a screening colonoscopy, they are doing a test that's looking for problems like colon polyps or colon cancer. If somebody comes in with complaints, it's kind of gross to talk about some of these things but maybe bleeding down there then they're going to get a colonoscopy, but it's going to be in order to look for the source of bleeding. So it's the same test but it's done for different reasons. Okay, so does make sense be prepared because this is a medical podcast. So some of the things we'll talk about some people might find gross. Yeah. But they're just dinner table conversations at our house. So true. It's so true. Some people don't even like to eat with us. That is very true. We gross people out and we don't even know it. All right. Well, let's talk specifically about some of the women's screenings screenings that are specific to women. Okay, I think that's a great place to start because there seems to be a lot more things that women have to do the men have to do right. I know that's the way it is though all the time. It is a matter what so covid screaming's housework. So if your kids I will not argue that point at all. So we've just talked about one. The colonoscopy we'll talk more about that in a minute. Okay, first we can start talking about the pap. Smear the pap. Smear is a test that's looking for cervical cancer or cervical dysplasia. So why is it called a pap smear? It's named after the doctor who invented it and his name was dr. Pepper Niccolo. I think that's how you say it. Interesting. Yeah, there's a good story about how he discovered this process. It's probably too detailed for our discussion here. But basically with an examination We Gather cells from the cervix, which is the very bottom of the uterus and then they make a slide out of that a smear and Someone then looks at that under the microscope and then the pathologist can tell if the cells look normal if there are signs of precancerous changes, which we call dysplasia or if there's cancer cells present. All right, and then what's found determines what's done next? So in a if a pap smear is normal then a woman now can have it repeated. Every three to five years depending on her age and depending on whether or not she's also screened for HPV. So the recommendation used to be every year correct that's changed within the last seven to ten years, which is fabulous. Most women love that information. Yes, so good to know now. It was a good thing. There are some women who still need one more frequently than that, but it fits If the screening test is normal, then it can be done every three to five years. So when should a woman get her first pap smear h21 is now the recommended time to start pap smears. Okay. What if they are sexually active before age 21 is that is that an indication for having a pap? Smear? No, it isnt its age. 21. Okay HPV is a virus. Okay called human papillomavirus and there are some strains of that virus that are responsible for. Most of the cervical cancers in the world. So at age 30, we can start screening for HPV as well. And if a woman has a negative pap smear and a negative HPV screen she can repeat that every five years. Okay, cool. Another screening that women need is breast cancer screening. So when should women start getting me? Mammograms that is a good question. It's a little controversial. There are recommendations or a little different from different Societies in general. We start those screenings between age 40 and 50 and do them every one to two years. So for women who are at higher risk based on family history, we might do the screenings a little bit earlier and a little more often in women who have Low risk and no family history. We might recommend starting a little bit later or it might be recommended to start a little bit later. The important thing is to talk to your doctor discuss your particular risk and your particular level of comfort with starting early versus starting late. Just know that the earlier we start and the more frequently mammograms are done that pieces the rate of unnecessary procedures and potential complications. Okay. So typically I know what my doctor recommends is every year. And you know, they're not that fun. If you're listening and you've had one, you know what I'm talking about. If you haven't had yours yet, then they're not that fun. But they're also quick and very very easy. I've had several friends with breast cancer. And every one of them will say go get your mammogram go get your mammogram and that's very true. And one of the things that if you're listening to our podcast ask one of the things we want to convey with this with this series is You know the importance of having these tests done but also equipping you with information that you can take to your own experience with your doctor. So questions, you can ask that maybe you didn't know you needed to ask like when should I start my screening? Is my family history important? I'm 40 but I don't want to start screening till I'm 50. Is that okay? Those type of things and same with the pap smears? If you have information that we can provide then you'll be better equipped when you're having an interaction or experience with your healthcare provider that ultimately we hope will enhance that experience and make it more productive good answer. And the next one is a chlamydia screening. So this is just a general recommendation that in women who are younger than 24 are younger than 25 that they have a yearly screen for chlamydia, if they're sexually active and if they're older than that if they're at high risk, and then men are it's recommended that men were not really talking about. We're talking about sexual things. So men should be screened for it to if they're at high risk and high risk would be multiple partners things like that. Is that still starting at 21 or is that something that I mean if we don't start pap smear still 21 so we can do a chlamydia. How should I phrase this answer? Yes for sexually active women. They should still be screened for chlamydia, even though they're not having a pap smear done so we can screen for chlamydia with a urine sample now. Oh, so you wouldn't have to have regular pelvic exam in after you have that very much less invasive much. Invasive now, so that's probably the main screening test. That would be specific for women the screening test that might be recommended that are specific to men would be prostate cancer screening. This is a very controversial topic. some societies are recommending against the PSA test PSA stands for prostate specific antigen and it's a test that's been used in the past to screen for prostate cancer the reasons That this test might be recommended against are a little complicated. Honestly, it's hard to explain it's hard to explain in person. And so it may be even more difficult to explain in a setting like this. Maybe what we'll do is a a podcast specific for men's health and prostate cancer screening and try and explain some of those difficulties. Okay, sounds good. Nobody wants to talk about prostates. Anyway, haha. Okay. How about let's go back to the colonoscopy. Okay, we have a fan third coming up this colonoscopy. Everybody's favorite thing to schedule right and what you hear is. Oh the test isn't that bad? It's the prep. That's the bad part of that test. So it's recommended that people have colon cancer screening at age 50. Unless there's a family history and then it's recommended. They start earlier based on you know, the age of when their relative had colon cancer. So there are different ways to check for colon cancer. Other than colonoscopy colonoscopy is probably considered The best although it's gold standard of the gold standard. Yeah, I guess it's the gold standard but it's it's also got some risk associated with it and not everybody, you know wants to tolerate that risk. So other things that can be done to screen for colon cancer our test called a fecal occult blood test and that's checking for blood in the stool to the gross stuff. It's blood that you don't see but it can be tested for chemically and then if that test is positive then you have to go do a diagnostic colonoscopy to see where the blood is coming from. Okay, and then you can also pair a barium enema, which isn't very funny either as not sound like a flexible sigmoidoscopy, which is just a shorter colonoscopy. So basically all roads lead to colonoscopy. In a way now, if you pass those other screening tests, you don't have to have a colonoscopy, but you have to do them more frequently. So a normal colonoscopy means you have to do that or you get to do that every 10 years. If you do one of the other tests you have to do it more frequently because It's more likely that it could be missed. And so you need to do it more frequently to try and catch it. If it's there that makes sense. Yep makes total sense. So let me just go back to one point colonoscopies every 10 years if there's not anything wrong. Yeah, so if everything looks normal, there's no polyps. There's no signs of early problems of cancer or anything like that then it's every 10 years Pulitzer. Very common. Polyps are what? Really turn into cancer. So if there are some polyps the nice thing about the colonoscopy as they can be removed at the time of the test, but then you do usually have to do the colonoscopy a little bit more frequently. Okay. So instead of every 10 years it might be every five years. All right, which still isn't terrible guess who turned 50 this year? I don't know gets to have his colonoscopy. You should announce that to everybody. Nobody wants to know that. Alrighty, so Let's go down to cancer screening in the lung cancer screening. Okay, let's do that. Lung cancer is very common. We don't have any great tests for screening for lung cancer. We know that people who smoke cigarettes or much more likely to develop lung cancer. So in people who smoke and who are older than 65 There are some criteria to do a low radiation dose CT scan as a screening test for colon for lung cancer. Okay, so criteria is smoking over 65 so specifically the criteria are a 30 pack years smoking history. Was 30 pack years question. I was waiting for that question. So where I'm looking for calculate the the smoking burden that a person has over their lifetime in pack years. And so one pack year means they smoked one pack of cigarettes a day for a year. So 30 pack years could be smoking one pack of cigarettes a day for 30 years or it could be smoking two packs of cigarettes a day for 15. Ten years. So that's a lot of cigarettes a lot of cigarettes. So the criteria for having a low dose CT scan screening for lung cancer is a 30 pack years smoking history age 65 or older currently smoking or quit smoking less than 15 years ago. Okay, that makes sense. Yep makes total sense. That's for men or women the Don't smoke. Please don't smoke. All right. Next on the list that I have is AAA. So AAA stands for abdominal aortic aneurysm and aneurysm is a swelling or ballooning in a blood vessel the specific one we're talking about with this test is the aorta. That's in the abdomen. They order is the largest blood vessel that carries blood away from the heart to the rest of the body when it gets down into the pelvis. It branches off and splits and goes into the legs. So an abdominal aortic aneurysm is most common in men who have smoked cigarettes. So men who are 65 or older. Who have ever smoked need a one-time abdominal ultrasound to test the size of their aorta and if it's above a certain whip then that's classified as an aneurysm and then that needs to be followed with more tests. So does that just happen at age 65 for men or do you have to have a history of smoking just to clarify that a little bit So it's more common in people who smoke 65 is not the age that it magically happens, but it's the average age where we're going to be able to find the most so the important thing to remember about a screening test is statistically we're looking for things that are common. that are the most common and relatively easy to find so if it's not, you know, like a mammogram they say start that at 40 do your colonoscopy at 50 so for The abdominal aortic aneurysm look at that, right? There's not like an age of hey, we're going to screen you for this now. Is that what you're saying? Well, it is age 65 is when it starts, but it's a one-time thing. So if you don't have an aneurysm at 65, you're very unlikely to develop one after that. Okay. So 65 year old male smoker smoker so non-smokers nonsmoker. Can develop aneurysms but it's much less likely. Okay, so there's there's not a recommendation for screening if you don't smoke, okay? All right. What about lipids screening? So yes in adulthood, everybody should be screened for lipid disorders. How often if it's normal every five years. Okay. What what are the feds? What are we even screening question? So lipids are cholesterol particles total cholesterol HDL, which stands for high density lipoprotein LDL stands for low density lipoprotein and try Sir Ides those are the typical ones that are on a test called the lipid panel. Mainly we're looking at the total cholesterol, but we're also looking at the LDL and triglycerides and the HDL because it helps us. Know the risk of developing heart disease in the future. Okay, so one avoid The wrong numbers on a lipid screening want to keep the numbers low if the numbers low. Alright then hypertension their screenings for hypertension. Well, there's not really a screening for hypertension other than having your Vital Signs checked when you go, you know for a guy for a checkup. And so when we're screening for that, basically it just means when you get your when you go see your doctor, they're going to check your Vital Signs and part of your overall. Less is making sure that your blood pressure is in a normal range. Then we give in to diabetes what types of screening are there for diabetes. So this kind of also falls in the category of the lipids where you should just have a one-time screening early in adulthood and it also means in your 20s that just yes that consists of blood glucose level and if it's normal Then periodically you should have it rechecked and every five years is probably adequate now. If you have a family history or you're at increased cardiovascular risk for some other reason like your cholesterol is high or your blood pressure is high then you may want to do a diabetes check yearly. Okay, so something else to talk to your doctor about getting on and most of these will be done at your yearly wellness exam. So it's important to get that done. So what about family history in these types of things and diabetes and high blood pressure and high cholesterol? Is that something that would make you want to talk to your doctor about more frequent screenings or earlier screenings, maybe not earlier. If you're following the general recommendations and having these things done early and adulthood in your 20s, but it may prompt your doctor to recommend a more frequently. So family history is is an and factor in cardiovascular disease and all of these things that were talking about cholesterol screening high blood pressure diabetes all of those contribute to cardiovascular disease, which is also known as heart disease heart disease. So cardiovascular disease includes heart disease and the process the same process that occurs in the brain that leads to Strokes. What about hepatitis C. Is that a screening that's done very often. Yes, it's recommended that our baby boomer population be screened one time for Hepatitis C. So no other Generation X or Z or Millennials or so high risk people should be screened high risk means people who use, you know, IV drugs or have had blood transfusions, although nowadays, that's not spread that way because that blood is screened, but people at high risk for Hepatitis C might need to be screened. Mostly, it's that baby boomer population that we're looking for right now. Okay, and then HIV their screenings for HIV there is there's just it's an HIV test and it's recommended that everybody be screened for that at some point. So if you haven't ever been screened it probably is good to be screened. Just your general practitioner the doctor you see every time can do that. Yep. Okay, it's just a blood test now just add it onto your regular blood tests with all the your cholesterol the other blood sugar and all those you're doing right so you can go into your doctor and say just give me all the letters. That's right. All the letters everything. Okay. All right, and then I think then the last screening that that we were going to talk about is a screening for depression. Chin, depression is something that is so common nowadays, and I don't know if everyone knows that there is a type of screening for it. There. Is this screening is a questionnaire and most Physicians or practices will have a system set up where they give the patient a questionnaire as a new patient and then maybe yearly after that. At your yearly well check your yearly well check you can get that done. There's also self-administered questionnaires that people can do online. And it's just it's a questionnaire that helps determine the risk that a person might have depression. And if you do one of those on your own and you see that you score high on that screening questionnaire, then it'd be something you'd want to talk to your doctor about. Okay. So that's going to do it for the inaugural episode of real Health chats. Thanks for listening. We know it might have been a little rough for this first go-round but stick with us, you can find us at real Health Jets.com on Facebook Instagram Twitter. We're out there everywhere and you can subscribe to the real Health chats podcast. I am Becky the doctor's wife. I'm dr. D We'll see you next time. We'll see you next time.

A Health Screening is a test that looks for a problem or disease when no symptoms are present. We recommend everyone have a yearly wellness visit with your personal physician and ask them about any screenings you may need. Pap Smear:  looking for cervical cancer cells or dysplasia (abnormal, possible precancerous cells). Begin at 21. If normal, repeat every 3-5 years. Human Papilloma Virus (HPV): responsible for most cervical cancers. Screening starts at age 30 and continues every 5 years. Breast Cancer Screening - Mammogram: Begin screenings between age 40-50 and continue every 1-2 years. Talk to your doctor about family history of breast cancer or other risk factors. Chlamydia Screening:  Sexually active women younger than 25. Men and women at any age with multiple sex partners. Screening is done with a urine sample. Prostate Cancer Screening:  Some recommend PSA (prostate-specific antigen), but some do not. We will have a full episode on men’s health to discuss this. Men should talk to their doctor about recommendations. Colon Cancer Screening:  Options include colonoscopy, fecal occult blood test and barium enema with flexible sigmoidoscopy. Most common and accurate is the colonoscopy which is recommended at age 50 unless at higher risk. You are at higher risk if you have a relative who had colon cancer and should discuss that with your doctor. During a colonoscopy polyps can be removed. Clear colonoscopies can be done every 10 years. Lung Cancer Screening:  Low radiation dose CT scan for people older than 65 who smoke or quit smoking less than 15 years ago and who have a 30 pack year history (1 pack a day for 30 years or 2 packs for 15 years) Abdominal Aortic Aneurysm Screening: This screen is looking for symptoms of an aneurysm in the largest blood vessel, the aorta. Men 65 or older who have ever smoked need an abdominal ultrasound to check the size of the aorta. If enlargement of the vessel is found, your doctor will follow up with more tests. Lipid screening:  Lipids are Cholesterol, Total Cholesterol, High Density Lipoproteins (HDL), Low Density Lipoproteins (LDL), and Triglycerides. Everyone should be screened for lipid disorders in adulthood and continue screenings every 5 years if normal. Keeping these levels in check will help reduce the risk of heart disease and stroke in the future. Hypertension Screening: at each doctor visit, vital signs checked, including blood pressure. Treat if it is high. Diabetes Screening:  Have a screening early in adulthood to get a baseline blood glucose level. If level normal, check again every 5 years. If there is a family history of high cholesterol, hypertension or diabetes, testing more frequently may be appropriate. When any of these are high it can contribute to heart disease and risk of stroke. Hepatitis C Screening:  All baby boomers (currently 55-75 years old) should be screened. People at higher risk include IV drug user or someone who has had blood transfusions. This is rare today because of improved blood screening practices. HIV Screening:  Everyone should be screened at some point, especially if you are at risk Depression Screening:  It is a questionnaire that you complete at your doctor visit that helps determine risk. You can also find and do a questionnaire on your own and talk to your doctor if you score high. Also, if you have any concerns without a questionnaire, if you have been feeling symptoms of depression or if you have a family history, please talk to your doctor.

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So make sure you click on it jump right in register and I will see you on the other side. Enjoy the show. Hello. This is AJ Roberts 15-year British forces veteran entrepreneur high performance coach and loving father and husband this podcast is for the motivated and inspired. For those looking to level up their lives for Fitness Nutrition and their mindset. Welcome to the best version of you. Hello and welcome to another fantastic episode of the best version of you. I am your host as always. Mr. Ajay Roberts and today. I am extremely excited to bring you another veteran who's got another amazing story in the man. That is Shawn Jones MC. Now. I let Sean go into a bit more detail about the MC shortly to give you a bit of a brief shower. Did 16 years in the Prince of Wales Royal regiment as pwr are unfortunately Sean's career came to a bit of a close earlier than the wished. He was discharged after being diagnosed with post-traumatic stress disorder PTSD in 2018. And this was as a result of lots of anxiety depression. Unfortunately suicidal thoughts and this led to Sean Leaving the Army early this year Sean is a massive advocate for mental health after him coming out the other side a Sean's also a veteran of multiple operational tours namely Afghanistan in 2011 when he was awarded the military cross for his unbelievable bravery and getting guys out of the complex ambushed by lecture. From home about that. So Sean that further Ado welcome to show me. It's a pleasure to have you. I've been what we've been talking about this for a couple for a while haven't way so farmers we've got to it. So, yeah, it's good Sean just briefly. Let's just talk about what you know leading up to you being discharged with unfortunately PTSD just for the guys and girls at home listening. It's something that just you know seems to just hit somebody or most people our know where really it's kind of unexpected and the people that I've had on the show recently a very much touched on that. It just kind of came out of nowhere. Was it similar with yourself? Yeah, it was strange really because I was in my unit in Germany based in Germany and the burden just come off the promotion board Colour sergeant. I was getting posted back to the UK and everything was great. Everyone was exciting. I've never really mastered you noticed much going on with me. But just before I left Germany in this transition period to move it back. I went out for a run and I went sort of I lost 40 minutes in my life essentially because I don't really remember what happened. I sort of had like a bit of a black capturing this run a runtime. We're still going. So on you what's just got on for last 40 minutes of walking around the corn field essentially which you know, I'm a massive fan of what sort of went and spoke to the doctors and they initially signposting me to the pcmh which is the mental health sort of, you know, sort of life within the military over in Germany. You also have been posting son a couple of appointments over there and I posted that actually UK to pick up that the But over that, but just as I posted just everything to a crash down to be honest again, just got into it to a funk. I just slumped. I don't know what it was. I had none of my peers around me or anything like that and we end up and up on a holiday a family holiday with some friends and actually during that family holiday is well planned my suicide. But yeah, so I mean very minor was with three close friends. It will also be in the same unit is made their families and that and just how I become on that holiday. I ruined it for everyone essentially because I was Moody was this them, you know causing issues. I wasn't happy. So it's causing issues. We never had any arguments or it's just you know people Notice of the difference in me up to that ended after a week or so. We went back to the UK. I was due to start my new job a few weeks later. I had loads of leaves takes over the end of the month were that leave. and yeah, I just Just go solo. I was just continuously thinking I iced it done. You know, it's easier for everyone if I'm not around so deserve. So yeah, I ended up getting involved obviously with the mental health Team back in the UK, you know, and the journey went on from there really difficult period around that time. So I've been listed in the mental health Team For some month or so I've been signed off sick from work. So I never actually turned up a table type of the training and Advisory Group in the UK was posted to I never actually got that would put on sick leave and during that time, you know, literally I left the house to go and never return. Thankfully that had some form of black out and ended up on a beach and my wife found me later on that evening. Crazy time to be honest, there's so much that went on in between there. But I pretty much hit rock bottom massively and was that was that the turning point for you to then go and get help or like really hit home to say like I need to sort this out. Now, you know, my wife's finding me. No, not at that point. Really? Yeah, obviously she found me. We spoke about it. I promised I would never do it again. I was Education is important as well, which is important one because I always said I didn't want to be on medication little to be seen as being on it for the rest of my life and I would put on it in the end of the I sit opposite to the doctor's if it's a choice that I don't want to be on it. If you're telling me is a medical professional it's time to go on it is a difference. Yeah, I've got somebody told me I was going to be on it and you know think slightly improved after that, but obviously I was enacted. Oppression presence and stuff like that. So thinking of doing could be there anyway, but I was going through a form of therapy. The hard part of the therapy was at that time was in this study the therapy itself. It was hardly enough got the my therapy wasn't willich in London. So I was driving two hours to an appointment where I was anxious before I got there to talk about not nice stuff. So then be anxious for two hours on the way home after not talking about a nice stuff. It just wasn't just didn't work and up had a relationship with with a psychologist become fractured just pure because of my frustrations at the system and it just just wasn't wasn't working. It wasn't a great Dynamic to be to be part of and it eventually came to a head, you know. My marriage broke down in that time, but I'm still living in my house, you know marriage court because I couldn't build an army camp because of what was what was wrong with me. Yeah, the doctors all you can't be on Camp them know I was going to put me hotel where they see pad. So, you know, we'd split up and we live in the same house. Isn't it was a bit of a nightmare to be honest with you. There's a lot going on for her Junior time. Talk to my phone. It was a lot going on for her time. So it's all broke down a bit. We still good friends. But what happened was is that I then started to progress and the medication probably had something to do with that as well. We've got to sort of Christmas 20 2017 and at that point there we were getting on really well. We worked fine - we were looking at trying to sort things out together, but I wanted them in a house anyway, so they were there two months ago. And yeah, what sort of broke down again of the Christmas period drank heavily ended up in an altercation in a bar got my jaw broke. No recollection of the event. What still over I missed again. I was and I was in my life, but I've just been drinking for a long time. This is the nest it's a mark nasty mix isn't it? And you're going back to the guise of had on before there's whenever there's alcohol involved in 99.99% of the time in the military. There is alcohol involved at some point the drug culture in the military is it's there and you know, those military people that are listening know what the drink culture is. And so Because I was good at my job. I messed up quite a lot in my career, but I had a pretty clean record when I left. Yeah, because things are sort of swept away because it was I've Got the Feeling with our make sure he's good bad what you know, let's sort this out. So we've never really held to account for anything. So I just got away with a lot of stuff, you know that I was at the time it was good, but I look back and reflection now. And think had I been held to account for something. I've done early on in my career. Maybe I may have noticed a difference in myself because I did change over the use but in that all-male environment that's an aggressive environment at times. It's easy to hide stuff, isn't it? Really? Yeah, I'm selling everywhere. I've been posted because you I mean you obviously be an infantry regimen you guys tend to go around. Get the don't need volunteers or other sort of cap badges tend to get posted Here There and Everywhere. So maybe I have been yeah, it's an insult like infantry environment is very much just not you could just feel that Vibe kind of just naturally naturally aggressive and it's just like Pete like people just seem to need to let off a lot of steam. Yeah, it is just different. So I mean, I don't know if you're aware, but actually I wasn't at all Engineers to start with. Yeah, so I transferred away. It's something that when did I leave I was into a engineer regiment inaudible. Yeah, so I was there for two years. I think I was transferred. So not a lot of people know that to be honest with you. It's not, you know, just a long time ago to be fair 2003. So, okay. 2003-2004 so but yeah, the dynamic slightly different, you know, the engineers are quite relaxed at times with having the done. Where is the Infantry very regimented and the rank structure is 100% there whereas in it is everyone's quite highly and made Tiant has a has a good relationship with working relationships where it is. It's not necessarily like that and infantry. Yeah. Yeah, but I've noticed when and also the the engineers tend to build the bar and the Infantry like Smash It Up essentially. Yeah, so don't because Squadron bars Sunday, whereas infantry certainly aren't going back obviously to like younger years. You joined the army at 16, you know, which is is pretty good going by person joined the level 8 And I'll kind of glad I did because you've kind of find your feet a little bit, you know, you have to grow up if you want to you know, if you want to leave home at a young age and you can take that into the military because you have that little bit of life experience. So going it going into the army at 16. I think no matter what regiment you mean. You have to grow up very quickly then you yeah it is. I mean, I've had my time again. Through chain nothing but from consider joining the video is it was just difficult at that age with the Army at the time hadn't really gone through that that transition stays to the Boolean is still there. You know, I was subjective massive bullying when I joined the army. All right. Yeah, but it's one of the reasons why my time and Engineers didn't go so great. Okay. but that culture was still there and because I was so young, but I was quite tall for my age. You know, I didn't look 16 years old. I tried to sort of I don't know some paperwork peacock, you know trying to Puff out my chest and be a bit try and be a bit older and wiser and not back down to people that are older than me, but it just doesn't work like that in the military and I'm coming proper to that several times. So it didn't go well for me initially, so I'll probably hold off a little bit to be honest with you. I haven't time again and was there any particular reason that you chose to join? The Army needs you always want to be a soldier. Yes. Am I so my uncle was in a while starts and my stepdad who brought me up pretty much or I live with from when I was about seven six seven years old. He was he was in the Royal Regiment of Wales. So I was around the Army a lot as a kid. So for me, it's just I wanted to I wanted to be in the Army from an early age. I think probably my pride aside when I was about 14 15, and that's what was going to do because I knew that's what we wanted to do. Probably the acted in a little bit in school because I knew what I wanted to do. Yeah, which is Then how about some again stay in school? Yeah, I didn't it is totally true and my brothers he's he's a Special Forces Unit. Yes, although he's amazing at what he does. He's an amazing Soldier. He's like really fit easily, but he wants to commission into to be an officer. He's got he's got to redo his maths GCSE as a result. So just it just it just goes to show you you can't hide you literally can't hide. But yeah, I've you know, so many guys do it so many kids do it and you know, we're both you I'm sure we both agree. I wouldn't be the person I am today without military and being a being a being an army brat myself as well might you know, I lived in Germany or four whole years as a kid teenagers and you know, I a lots of the Army in this kind of shape. You into who I am and what I do now and what I want to do in the future and it definitely definitely mold you and helps mold you and the skills you get from that from the military no matter what branch here in very very easily transferable and to civvy Street and hence why you can spot a Squatty a mile off. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So obviously you transferred into principles are Regiment talks through that that time obviously from you know private up until when you know, you really got into sort of like the command levels of so when I left are going to left the engine the engineers. I was already a lance corporal actually and so did my NCO carder in Germany and Hamill and I transferred across and they actually let me keep my rank. Which for me was a shock? I thought I was going in the back in catterick and straight away. But didn't they? Let me keep my rank during the during the process. So from leading Engineers to going across to the Infantry and my lemons down in a leadership from the engineer's want to go to the Infantry was a whole different world the approach to leadership in the Infantry was really different the nears as I alluded to before it was can sometimes be a the know like a Lord of the Flies scenario of people just really not wanting to do it and it's just like it is a couple of bickering sessions and things like that. Sometimes sometimes not all the time from the engineers, but sometimes you promote through your job and it's not necessarily the best way whereas in the Infantry. I've got a cross there. I had a bit of a culture shock because it I was being pulled Corporal straight away and I was like, no. No, my name's Sean. Yeah that the private that I know it's so straight away the very basics of leadership. I didn't I don't think I had a good grasp on them. You know them an NGO Carter just been thrashed around a bit does your leader so those early days were quite yeah Harry We trying to work out the system and come Majors got within the Infantry of happy wanted things done under two sergeants. So for me trying to learn that that craft as a lance corporal early on from Platoon sergeants that work whether by War already, you know, I just wasn't getting things right so I had to really go back to basics and I was lucky I had a good friend there that You happy he's old mental, but when you're not off, I just looked at happens doing things as I write and that like that. He doesn't need to share with the blokes. It doesn't need to demand respect. He just gets it but on the flip side to it. I had people in my he wasn't in my platoon. So I people in my car to where they would demand the respect they would shower the blokes. So I had these two different styles of leadership. I was like, How do I fall into this and so I'm trying to find the middle ground very very quickly because the company I was in was was deploying on pepper kicked as the 2nd Armored infantry company to go in to help them because armored infantry, you know, it's been used is used heavily in Iraq and other theater, but Afghan it was a whole new sort of concept. So I had to learn things pretty quickly and those early days I said we're Beige is trying to work out how things were and I went down too far right that times. I went down there the aggressive leader, you know that the demand in the respect. I have rank you will do what I say type stuff. And it took me a while to snap out of that. It really did. You know, it was it was a difficult difficult time that was trying to fit in in an operational training cycle. So my early days wasn't well liked by the privates to be honest with you. And I know I wasn't there to necessarily be liked by the privates because I was there to do a job. You still have to work and serve them fight alongside them. So I had to find the balance. I found them early days to transition from the engineer's to Infantry. Enough octo cycle really difficult, but once once I took people on the ground in Afghanistan, it's sort of changed and a little bit. And actually a little bit more approachable and you come down a bit once you get settled so it was okay at first but you know, there's a lot of things that happened early on that all that change me probably changing me to where I am today start it from that point. We need from an IED strike was involved in. Yeah, and you know, sometimes it takes an unfortunate event to quickly change the Dynamics of how you are as a Personal especially a leader. Yeah, we've all seen them in the past like the people who be you know, we always say likewise a really good camp called Camp Corporal and by that I don't but are they mean like as in homosexual like as in as in that they're really good at shouting and barking orders, you know in Nice Nice pressed iron uniform on Camp for the minute. They get the minute against the field and they have to think about 300 different things at once. Once because they're in charge of the blokes in their safety, they're just completely lose it. So if you like said it's absolutely imperative. We find that balance because to having done so much leadership stuff over the last few years. It's easy to look back and go. Why did I do that? Why did I do that? You know once you've actually done all that kind of stuff, but I've always found the best commanders of the ones that are the best leaders of Does it take some really good Snippets of everybody's ideas and advice as a as a collective as a team and then amalgamate them into like a you know top plan and you'll find that the productivity productivity and the efficiency of you guys and girls, you know elevates massively doesn't it? Yeah. I was a massive difference. So post post sort of that Opera Kate or 8/9 I was wounded. On that and I came back and I went through the rehab sort of stuff. I deployed back off on that or again. I'll see that that bit there sort of change me a bit, but when I got further down the road and I did Junior brecon, which was which what we have to do to become full court rules that that there Changed how I approached leading my men women. It was it's a really really good course just to make you look at yourself. There is no one's better than anyone that calls until the final day and the instructors make sure that everyone knows that regardless of how fit you are. How can a soldier you are? It don't matter so really getting on that course changed how I did things in the way I look at it leaders and you know how I like didn't have to shout to get things done. And if the blokes knew that they could trust me. That's the last thing for me like the guys knew they could trust me obviously as a because of Corporal later on on later or parekh. I didn't have to tell them about anything. They would come with me into anything and I knew that and they said that to me because of the trust and the respect they had for me not because I shouted at them there was times where I did shout at them where they knew they dropped a bollock. But you know after they trusted me and trust trust in leadership is a huge thing, you know, he might be and if they know regardless of what the job is or its military whether it's industry, whatever. If you as their leader are willing to do what they have done or what they're about to do then you I think become a good leader. If they know you will do it. If you need to they will trust you and they will do that job to a better so I don't and I found as well and I actually found a lot on in the civilian sector is that if you really take away that didactic I say You do approach and just throw it in the bin. It doesn't work and you actually Empower your subordinates in your peers and you give them that element of commands your you would have seen that on your tours of Afghan and other like what, you know be exercised and stuff that you they immediately act around cup, you know, they just suck. They suddenly take everything to the next level and I found switching up. Approach was made such a difference in that so when he unfortunately got into a firefight situations, you know, or ambushes and stuff. Are you had guys that were like sapphires privates they if given command giving commands like an end you would expect from an NCO because you'd Empower them to do so and then they were obviously they were that confident in their job. They weren't scared to do so either. Yeah, we drew the back end of my Time in Germany. So my senior NCO moussaka to Sergeant type type area. We went through a huge transition within our Battalion or regiment. We were we were doing this empowering stuff, you know, there's a lot of times and people relate to this where they've got qualifications to run ranges and stuff like that, but they never did. It was always the boss between Commander or or between Sergeant the random was actually we will have all know. Oh, we don't have to they've done the course. They're qualified. They Command hooks and it was like empowering the Junior ncos. And in the eye on the private ranges in that perfect pairing a lowest level to do what the qualified to do was the catchphrase so to speak was was really for not any retention, but to allow them to grow nobody grows and up to allow them to do what they could be qualified to do. You can qualify anything you want. If you're not in the position to use it, you don't grow in that so we were empowering everyone at the lowest level or what they were qualified to do and it worked really well. We grew some fantastic leaders over the last sort of six years of another time. We always had good leaders anyway, but just that transition, I think the Army was changing as well is this leadership and development but we did really well there are providing younger guys. Yeah, and I think it's it's long overdue. A Jew because I'm sure you agree. Now that you're out and you see you've been through the whole transition thing and likewise, you know, you would have met a networks of a lot of people and it's one thing that I come across on a weekly basis because I helped a lot of lads getting out and and lasses just from using my network and contacts into the helping people into civilian life that that going back to that approach where they're not being empowered. And it's they've been in they've been part of that. I say you do type environment. It leads them to massively undersell themselves when it comes to Future employment or even even even thinking of starting up their own business. Like they just just way off the mark because they go in there with a totally, you know, not negative attitude, but they just under sell themselves Master banana don't realize they actually share potential that they've got and a fact that so many. Companies all over the UK and worldwide, you know, I will let hanging out to have a junior NCO or somebody stand up and deliver training and development to to the guys and girls at work in departments have been a company like it's crazy. Yeah. Well you imagine, you know 20 year old Junior and CEO knows how to take it and structural action lesson properly. So someone in whatever it is within a civilian sector to do that you've got On for a very long time that come out the Army in early stage. They know at 20 years old had to structure a lesson properly and you know is going to be elements a little bit different obviously, but the structure is there and their confidence is there as well and that's the thing you don't really get that a lot of the time this will be sector and you're right guys, I'd run to sell themselves or they think they go too over confident at times. I think it is just really to fight sometimes. I need to find a middle ground and just know that they're okay. Just that be their own personality be themselves don't have to go Ott, but don't undersell yourself either. Yeah. Yeah, of course. It's my simply and it's it is a big obviously a big learning curve and it's different for everyone depending on the industry. You want to go down but let's say obviously I want to touch on like how you ended up in the position you were in but more importantly like how he come out. the other side I think we've covered a lot of good ground here, you know, especially with stuff like the adult grown-up stuff of leadership in the empowering is the farthest is amazing, but there's a lot of people out there right now and every people listening to this who Are too scared to talk or they just they just don't want to talk all the barriers of right up there close book - through like your your story of how you suddenly got diagnosed with PTSD. But like what it was in particular that you know, really helped you come out the other side since the position where you are now and likewise, you know helping people so, I mean what what really I had a big culture shock Essentially in January 18. I ended up in a psychiatric unit and it really isn't a place that you want to be and it's strange because it's a nice place if that makes sense. It's a really strange one, but I ended up there because people thought I was going to you know kill myself, so I ended up in a secure unit. And I had time to reflect in their time to just have no worries. I was just safe and everything is going on in life just stopped for me. So I could it was like a reset it really was and that time in there was just massive reflection points of look where I am. I don't want to come back to a place like this. How do I how do I have a question here? And the only thing that could ever really come back to or the only common denominator was I am the only person that can change what's going to happen in the future. You can have whatever however many doctors and Specialists and family members and friends around you is one you've got to want that change got to get into that positive mindset or a better mindset. I wasn't necessarily positive, but I was in a better mindset. And then sort of leaned into the help that was provided for me. So I so I took something so I took someone's value and I started to absorb it and I started to look at myself and think what else what are other people doing to stop this? And there was these suggestions of you know, they say wellness and meditation and things like that and I just thought you know, I'm a I'm an infantryman that that's that's not a thing. Think that's what I thought in the past. Actually, it was worth it. I started to do it and I started to exercise regularly because I stopped exercising through this period these last the last four months of 2017 and early 80's put on, you know, I usually sit between 75 and 80 kilos their thereabouts not too much more than that. I hit about ninety seven kilos, you know weight on so I started running. Morning, or at least exercise in the day meditation and and having you know, a routine and morning routine for me was was key. Right? It was key to starting my journey keeping to that and knowing what I was doing now, I was in a unique situation where I was still in the army. I'll put on sick leave. So for me at the time money wasn't a problem. And I know that's a lot that cause a lot of people's issues. But for me just in my specific journey, I was okay. So I just knew I needed to carry on with my routine of meditation and fitness and attending my therapy weekly and those three things are really helped me in that first part of Acceptance and accepted him something wrong because I didn't think there was anything wrong with me really until I was in that psychiatric hospital and accept it was a problem is massive regardless of the PTSD depression anxiety. Whatever it is, you need to accept that there's something not right. Have to agree with it. But accepting it's slightly different and that helps you heal a bit better and more efficiently, I think. And when you finally accepted it was that quite a long period that you were just like so beating yourself up. You wouldn't accept it or it was I mean, I mean the century that that acceptance I mean it was probably something wrong with me since 2008. Genuinely as well, we would probably was an issue that was masked by by the military machine. Yeah by the job by operational tools and stuff like that. So there's probably something wrong before men. So for me to get to 2018 to say, all right, I've got a problem here. That's a long time as a 10 year 10 year ago. There's massive may end and I mean I without going into too much detail, you know, you looking to see it. Medical records and people do think that there's an issue with you back then but it's not dealt with that then probably, you know, there's a new look back now on reflection and think why did I make those decisions? Why do they drop myself in it there? Why did I make that decision? And it was all a lot of time heavy drinking. I wasn't an alcoholic but I didn't stop when I started. Yeah, you know and you don't go 12 14 hour been sessions. Not remember nothing wake up in cells and I know sometimes that can be put down said that military culture but actually the decisions I was making and hiding it through military culture because I was a, you know, good bloke. So for me it was a long period but it's only when I've I'm out of the situation when I was out situation. I can look back and go. I was also going towards on school because I love Soldier it as I love the in the field but we spoke earlier about is a good camp sold a lot. I was I wasn't that great because I would wrap myself in it. I'll turn up late for work. You know, I was just You know not what I should have been doing all the time. So there was these patterns. I can look back on now and you can say it's coincidence or whatever, but I look back now and think some so many warning signs there that I could have dealt with internal earlier and they weren't so I get myself to 2018 and in this psychiatric unit. There's a realization that there is a serious problem. And it took me to get there, you know, it wasn't a suicide attempt beforehand. I've gone off to never return again. That wasn't the reality Jack it was the hospital. I was quite happy and willing to die. Essentially I wasn't it didn't bother me. My mindset was just gone. So yeah the development for me starting post that that staying at Psychiatric unit and it was then I realized in the people. I was around weren't necessarily even though they were good friends weren't necessarily the people that I needed to be around. I needed to be around positive stuff positive people positive outcomes. I needed to cut negativity off negativity was all around my life and I didn't even know it. So I needed to come negativity often and Implement positive stuff. So starting the day off properly. It's a positive start going to your already onto a winner. So that for me was a huge thing and I'll take it at something you still implemented this day just being around positive Z all the time. Yeah. So like I'm not falling out with any of my friends per se but there's probably about 95% of the people. I spoke to you when I was in the military. I don't really speak with anymore. Yeah, we're not regularly. Anyway distance yourself, basically. Yeah, because there's still that they're still in the Army in still that edited vibe from them at times. They're not negative people, but they can have a different vibe that I don't we want to be around too much anymore. Yeah. It doesn't help to your cause. Yeah, and I started to surround myself with what positive people and there were positive people. I already knew I rekindle daubers old friendships that I have. Had for years and you know, so Out friends that I'd left the military, you know, Woody prime example, you know key he helped me in those early days. We still doesn't have to be fair. So it was surrounding myself with a bit more positivity. Yeah, and it's it's not just the positivity in itself. It's the people you surrounding yourself that actually genuine generally want to See you win as well. Yeah, you know which I think is which is so important and you just naturally if you're always in that mindset, then you naturally attract, you know, it's just that law of attraction is that you just naturally attract like-minded people all the time. Yeah, and it's yeah it is so important to do that and it's been exactly same for myself, you know, since I left the military I although I live I live in a Garrison town. I only see that people I want to see I don't see the people that have to see and it's I like that balance, you know, but at the same time I keep that keep that arm's distance away from the negativity and I'd like she just surround myself. I would be online, you know networking with people like veterans like doing podcasts like this. It's just it's so vitally important from what for myself is all moving forward and then what you're doing, you know. If your own personal development journey, and you know, no matter what your past is is just fight so vitally important to surround yourself with positivity all the time. Yeah in like so and like I said doesn't mean like, you know, you have to sort of delete 95% of yeah your friends or social media. It's just it's just or even family she's distancing yourself slightly. Yeah boss keep it, you know, just keeping it at arm's length really, but still saying hello. But like I said, you know, it's all about that growth mindset Now, isn't it? Yeah, you've gone past like, you know, that's huge hurdle and upset of being in that situation of being a psychiatric ward in with your issues to now be in a position where your growth mindset is imperative and it continues to do so Yeah, no definitely and they don't eat it only progressed on Beth from there to be honest with you because I said the acceptance phase was there. They're getting rid of the negativity and then just working on myself and and working on my home and just being generally happier, you know was was key and I said me speaking with people in like-minded people just elevates that because you have a different type of conversation. You know, so there's now probably talk about me but earlier on we had a conversation, you know about other things and you know, it's it's positive conversation most you can support people that might be a bit negative in a conversation. You just got our Bowl you don't put as much into it, you know, there's not as much interaction and you know what, you know about things but you just get on with it. Yeah, it's like brexit. All right, you're brilliant. Yeah, same as bashed on some kind. Prime minister, but tomorrow the day after the sky still going to be blue. Well, not the minute not the minute but like a letter boxes are still going to be read and you know, you know, like my faster still going to smell it. It's just that it hasn't doesn't affect you that much if that's all you've got to talk about then, you know move along but so go back to into obviously positivity and like your routine is stuff that like I'm a big big fan of mine. Routines And I stress it a lot. I talk about all my social media platforms a lot on Instagram and stuff like that and we go walking every morning me and the wife and okay. It's a really good way to just chat. Yeah, we literally go for a walk with a brew people probably fit with mental but like we're going to God dog. Yeah, and but it gives us a really good opportunity to chat rather than sort of roll out of bed quickly smash the breakfast or free clothes on and get to work and then not really talk. Anything so later on that night. So it's a really good opportunity to have a chat about future plans and what we want to do as a family and you know travel ideas and yeah set you up for the rest of the day you already have that positive mindset from the offset. So we've yourself like you said about your routine is meditation something you're actively still doing now. Is it something that you've got your over that line or is it something you do? I still I still do it now. I must admit the last few weeks. So in the summer holidays, it's not been as strict as what it usually is, but I'm actually trying to introduce it with the children as well. So that's why you guys been a bit up and down but I could never get my head around meditation initially and I started using a guided meditation app headset headspace. Yes really has this is brilliant. Awesome. And what I would do is I would get up in the morning go downstairs. No no, no. My phone would be on Playmobil already downloaded the what I needed for headspace to the previous day. And I meditated first thing and I go out for a run. Sometimes I'll switch it up depending on which what I was doing first thing, but I tend to meditate first and then go for a run. I would do a quick 10 15 minute meditation because I'm a fan. Myself if I did it more because there are longer ones. I would zone out a bit too much. Yeah and wasn't up for a run. Yeah, so wanted to be just up. Bit of water on board meditate go for a run come back and then, you know have my phone I won't put the phone on until about course away when I knew it'd be work time about eight o'clock. So basically before the kids left be on airplane mode and I was really important because you interact a lot more in a house soon as you switch your phone on you can get drawn into all sorts. It's very quickly and we all know we can become guilty of that by the wrist social media whether it's emails whether it's whatever the soon as you put it on you'll get drawn into it. So I just didn't put it on until I finish what I was doing. Yeah, and it's so important like you what you've just explained there is something up in like tour around down people's throats of the last like month month or so about just making that first part of the day, even if it's the first half an hour all about About you like don't be every actor and really wake up and start miss, you know, replying to emails and messages and stuff like that because because somebody's messaged, you know, you do it when you're sorted and when you're ready when you're hydrate when you're hydrated when you're focused and when you're efficient, yeah sorted you out for the whole day ahead. What a lot of people forget is as well you mention hydration there. The on average the most dehydrated you are is when you wake up in the morning, we could have predicted that effort. I don't know between six and nine hours, you know, you haven't had a drink during that time. So you wake up you need to replenish your fluids in and take water onboard. So for me, it's important to get up and get water on board shape first thing in the morning as part of the routine Yeah, a hundred seven eight going back to The early stages of you sort of getting over the post-traumatic stress and you know, seeing like the end of the tunnel doing all the things you need to do in your life like surround yourself with positivity and that was it was it was there on and off days you had or was it very much just getting yourself surrounded by the right people. No. No, I mean it was with days where I was didn't we talk to people my mood was low. There's plenty of that. It wasn't all great. You know, we've just talk through what I did to get to where I am and I still have a few low days now nowhere near as much as I used to do, but it was difficult to get to that stage. You know, what some really really low points during that time. You know, I've never also word try to gloss over the things that we're going on with me. Yeah, there's all sorts of things going on. Wet the bed what grounds wet the bed, you know, there's always there's a lots of things going on because the nightmares became so piercing and troubling the right they were and Vivid that you know, there was episodes of meet me by the bed. So that was you know, I'm quite happy to to sit and say that some people are more why you saying that because it's fact and there will be someone out there that that is happening to you know, they need to realize that It's it can happen and you know, you probably if that's happened. You do need to start speaking to someone because it's just part of you your brain telling you this not something quite right? Yeah, so, you know, it wasn't all great there was period for I was up and down again. I was on medication for a while so that that balance balance me a bit, but my next tool battle was Get off the medication because I didn't want to leave the Army dependent on medication. So my routine became that ingrained that I managed to wean myself off the medication. That's what I've heard, which was really important to make it was always in the back of my head that I wasn't quite right on the medication and I didn't want to have a crash and burn because that's what happened. So I thought well, it's best me to do it and try it while I'm still in so that I've got the correct support networks around to be able to deal with that and I've come off it and I'm not in it, you know, again people are scared the medication but it helped me to get better and to get what I was and once I dealt with what I needed what dealt with it because I probably started out with everything to this day. It's you know to do but it got me to a point where I was comfortable to talk about everything and I could taper off from weaned away from it and still be okay to talk about Stuff without makeup into a flat spin, you know his death. I've got to fit but honestly, that's a such a remarkable thing that you did that yourself and wean yourself off it because not even not just any depressants and tablets for mental health issues anxiety stuff like that, but even people are even people are like hooked on painkillers and opiates and stuff like that, you know, just trying to be able to or drugs themselves, uh been able to wean yourself. Off something that you become heavily relying on is, you know deserves a medal in itself me. It was is all its mindset. I think I think I've got myself to to the point of where I knew that. I was coping. Well really. Well. I'm just awful now it's time to try and take her off these and see how it is doctors weren't best pleased when I told them but you know, They hadn't noticed that is what I was doing. I was still on them, but I told them on a you know, I think was about a quarter of the dose. But you know, they said look it's been working. We've not really notice the difference in your in your sessions. Let's roll with in see see what happens. So yeah, I mean it was one point where they thought they may need to reintroduce it. But that was just a bit of a blip it me and but I was fine after after a few days now, that's awesome. And not only do you have a by any sort of advice for people the guy's a ghost listening that may be on some form of medication but not a hundred percent sure that they want to be on it. Don't burn yourself with it. Like I know I just said I did it. Speak with the doctors and get their honest opinion because a lot of times when you're going when I did this, I've been through a lot of therapy A Lot weekly sections once or twice a week to know who people haven't dealt with things did enough during that stage because the top but to there to balance you out into the day your mood and not get new solo. So If you imagine on medication without medication, I'm down here. But when I'm on medication, I'm up here and have a session or medications going to bring me down to here. I'm still not a model though. It's because the medication yeah, someone just takes it away and I had a bad day and they drop below this level loves when they have a serious problem and people makes all sorts of rash decisions. So I'll always say speak with a doctor first and foremost. Don't do what I did and Make sure that you know, it's look at Alternatives just because it's not always the medication. That's the issue. Sorry. It's not always the medication isn't the issue at times. It's a type of medication that maybe doesn't work. Well with you so always look at the Alternatives and look at then the basics so the routines because the routine help me, you know that that is massive morning routine. And good structure to the day is what helped me if I didn't have that in place and try to come off that medication. It wouldn't have lasted very long. So probably what forward a bit about what your question was to be there. But I think the website that's exactly what we need me and it's it's again like saying before it's just creating a platform for people like yourself have been for this kind of stuff that's relative to is like hundreds and hundreds of people out there. The almost code up in a bowl because they've got nowhere to turn to you say I say it time time again if we can help one person from this podcast and you know, the other guys out there doing similar sort of podcasts and radio shows and what kind of stuff and that's that's the most of the goals is we can just help one person. Yeah overcome that bit of sort of tragedy and turn it into some form of Triumph, then then were winning and you know where more people are in a better place. But yeah, it's really awesome that you can share stuff like that because it's what people need to hear. Yeah, something like to hear it at times. I have been criticized on social media before being as open as I am and It didn't help me. To be honest with you. It brought me to a point that someone would say at least it's my decision to say what my journey has been. Yeah, of course it is. I think that the more open we are no more blunt. We are because you know, some of the things I say could sound quite blunt, you know, when the bed is quite a blunt not a blunt, but it's quite a tear me up. I saw the video up and really, you know, it's not a lot of people admit to that but I think if you don't admit to that and an open up the things that will be people out there suffering and doing that and they will want to say anything about it. Yeah, and I'd like to get we need people to be as open as possible for the for these reasons purely because there's people out there suffering with these same problems. But again, there's potential serious potential there's lives at stake. Yeah, and and the thing is Is that people recognize it early? It doesn't get to the critical stage of where somebody's thinking about suicide if we actually other people are like this if you can get it early on things can be dealt with careers aren't ended because they may not get that far to have a lolly get diagnosed with something that's going to happen after their career whatever job they have, you know, if it becomes a normal conversation Then you know people will fare better from it, you know trying to prevention's better than cure and if I can talk and tell my story to help someone prevent something spending hours trying to try and cure them in the long run. I mean, yeah a hundred percent massively right? So moving forward moving forward you're working on a book which is pretty pretty huge. Yeah. I'm starting to feel kind of left out the minute like I'm interviewing all these vets in that light. Go these books and I feel like I feel like I need to bring a book out talk a bit about the book They're gonna bring out me. So for me it was never. Never about writing a book that makes sense for me. It was about writing down my life my thoughts to try and make its it better in myself. It was and then became about I've got two young kids. So they're going to have questions one day that they may feel they don't want to ask or awkward about asking so for me if Just had two books and whether that's just printed off twice and put it in a binder. I can say here you go. Yeah, I can because it is quite you know honest and open, you know, there's a lot of battery the media so they can read this and see from my words and they may not want to ask those questions, but then they may be able to have more of a meaningful conversation by knowing what they know. So for me it's important to do that. So It's turned into me right actual book and I want that to be published fart fart not I'm not far away from publishing, but it's finished, you know, and it's a couple of months close friends are going to have a have a run through it a couple of them were published look at already. So we'll see and we'll go from there, but for Me it's not about necessarily a book. But if it helped people and the main to be my kids. that's what I thought a lot of veterans are doing at the moment and a lot of the goals behind a lot of the Visions behind the books are you know to help other people out there because you yes, you might you won't know that person individually, but if they're picking up your book off the shelf and as you know, even a chapter that's totally relative to them and change their perspective on things in the problems that they're facing again again you You know you're winning and it's important that sort of people like yourselves and I've like like-minded people people like Brian Wood and the other guys out there that are bringing bringing books out there with you know, suffer from PTSD and been dragged free shit to come out, you know, come out singing on the other side is really really important. So like I really wish you all the best with your that way and I I never said I was a big seller. I'm sure that I'm sure there'll be some banter banter between you and Woody. Yeah, I imagine they will we see what he thinks of it before long. Have you asked him? If you can be a lead role in this movie? Excuse me? No little bit older now. All right. I haven't got the hair. Yeah. It's if you can just get like a little Cameo scene at the end, you know where the camera come to light fixtures on the like the modern-day version of Everyone likes it. Just just get you little sort of ten seconds of Fame, but they will I'm really excited about it. To be honest with you. It's a it's going to be a good thing. You know, I'm excited to see how it pans out because it was a lot going on. So we'll see ya know. That's awesome man. I know sort of like daily lifestyle wise I mean, If you've got your landed a really good job working with working with Michael coats former Royal Engineers. Got got really good podcast himself the Declassified don't worry, but my free little plugin for you there. Yeah. Well, so it's house like how's life been obviously back on civvy street and moving forward you got sort of like big plans and I was really fortunate to gain that relationship with with Michael and work for his company. I've got the back but doing a podcast with him. It's all work from home. It's not get to see the kids more often build my day the better. My throat's gone the moment so apologies. So yeah, it's been great, you know day-to-day life, you know routine work starts at 8:00. And yeah, I mean, I can't complain to be honest with you. It's a good network of people positive people and we're all striving for growth in different ways shapes or forms. That's also again going back to what we're saying for just you know surrounded your whole environment pretty much with with positivity. So yeah, it's only an obscenity going to bring good things for you on the other side. Yeah. Are you are you doing anything with your self sport wise the you kind of like an active Sportsman and after well I did I've done a couple of mad things really at a charity football match. A few months ago, which was painful should we say? Yeah because I'm going to keep footballer, but I will brand new football boots bad move. Yeah playing against X Pros as well was not great at a 24-hour fitness circuit session last month, which again why why did that? I don't know. But other than that, no, it's just Fitness very good. Just make payments. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Do you going back to Señor aquí Keen footballer that you follow a certainty money went to the United a civil and game last weekend, but I always sat in their Arsenal fans was worried that we weren't asked them shirts. I was like, yeah. No. I was not from Manchester. But things always yeah I am so you know, it's football was just it's been great for me in life, you know played it, you know regimental level, you know, really enjoyed it, you know, and it was a decent level as well know who Regiment of footballs quite a decent level. Yeah. So yeah don't get to do it too often anymore. Like it's still very much what I love about football. Supply tonight what people think about so the you know, the egotistical staff and the violence and that comes of it. It's still you know, it's the biggest culture in the world by far and you know the way it brings people together every, you know, just from Club level like or you know, your Pub Sunday Pub Team level all the way up all the way up to, you know, following following Nation, you know, like they just went mad when England got to the semis last year. Yeah. Yeah, so let you know football itself like the way it brings people together is like fantastic. So I believe is very important. If you having issues or have had issues with authority you get yourself involved with this kind of stuff, you know, doesn't not necessary football could be like rugby whatever but let's talk about people isn't it? Yeah. Yeah just on a like minded level that you just mentioned that with a common interest. Mmm. It's really it's really important. What I'm saying because there's going to be a lot of guys and girls that have listened to this and I've had problems or having problems right now. Where can they find you on social media? I've been I'll put all the tags in the show notes, but where do you spend the most time? Where do you hang out on those? And so I use most of the the main platforms really Instagram? I'm Shawn Jones underscore. NC on Facebook on page on there's Sean Jones MC on Facebook search with this a on the pages on there and on Twitter. It's actual Jones MC. So all very very similar and yeah, I use all three platforms quite often not a lot throughout the holidays recently. Yeah. With weapons at this year, but I'm on there quite quite often. Okay, so, you know for guys and girls listening may have an issue and that I mean Reach Out speak to Shawn. I'm sure he'll be more than happy to help free food current situations or just to give you a bit of advice and moving forward trying to maybe get you a little hole that you might find yourself in. Yeah. Yeah. No definitely is people are message me quite often, but it's just chat little bit of advice. I'm a medical professional, you know, but I can I can sympathize and tell you what I did right and what I did wrong more importantly because I did make mistakes. So, yeah, definitely if anyone does want to chat or anything really thin definitely send me a message. Before we for you, right mate, I always ask my guests this question and I think it's a really good question because it brings out a lot in yes, because they need, you know, kind of like think on the spot but it helps them kind of reflect on themselves. Now, we got this imaginary time machine here in the in here is stuck in the Wi-Fi somewhere. Yeah, and you can put a Post-It note. It and you're going to send it back to 15 year old Shawn Jones what there's a cut the bullet points that you can put on there for him to read. What would those be or 15 year old? Okay quite sure you won't join the Army yet. And you're just a laugh funny age where you're kind of like gum passed out of lessons on you and you found your find finding yourself something. So I mentioned the one already. D stay in school longer it's that I know it's a box that has one but could definitely do be kinder because I got me personally, I wasn't a very nice person at times. So these kinda it's free. Yeah, and it's a tough question that may I tell ya. I think probably set an example earlier alone. Yeah, because I didn't really set an example for people when I was younger, you know probably was a bit too far to the right, you know, the main I was out of control but you know, especially joining the Army early had all this money and a lot to do with it. So my two main points with Be kind and set an example to be honest with you. Well, that's pretty amazing This and like I said, it is a good question and a really sort of take she starts thinking, you know straight away because that's as a difficult question, you know is is and now I mean, thanks for sharing that with us meet guys and girls are really really hope you took some amazing golden nuggets away from from Sean's F. So today, it's been absolutely fantastic having you on the show. Oh mate, please guys and girls if you like the show and you took a lot away from it. Please leave us a review. It means the world to the show and it means that we get out there a lot more and we help more and more people every single day for every single episode. Sean has been an absolute pleasure. Mate are really glad that we finally nail down some time to get you on and I wish you all the best with your book moving forward and everything you're doing. It's Absolutely fantastic, and you know guys and girls if you learned something from Rashon today, please let us give some feedback. Let us know what you thought and likewise if you're struggling, you know, it's like we've said many many times before it's it's not weak to speak get out there talk to people get in touch with Sean. I'm sure we'll be more than happy more than obliged to select to lend an ear now. Definitely. And no honestly, it's been great to get on there. It has I'm sure we will be talking a lot more in the future. And yeah, it's been nice to meet you for the last few hours and yeah, definitely the reviews and I can't let go that enough to help build, you know, not only the audience but confidence in Nevada mountains this doing it that he's doing the right things. So Stephanie those reviews are really important to us on guys and girls really hope you enjoyed today's episode. We've got loads more amazing episodes lined up over the next few months of more amazing stories. But until next time please take away or the amazing golden nuggets that Sean as shared with us today and go out there and become the best version of you.

Sean Jones MC left the army after 16 years as a Colour Sergeant in the Princess of Wales’s Royal Regiment. He was awarded the Military Cross for his actions after a complex ambush on his patrol in Afghanistan in 2011. Part of his citation read: He “epitomised the best qualities of the British infantry: gritty determination, controlled aggression, tactical cunning and complete disregard for his own safety”. Sean’s career unfortunately came to an abrupt end after a diagnoses of PTSD in 2018 which led him through a period of huge anxiety, depression, suicidal thought processes and an admission to a psychiatric unit. Today on The Best Version Of You, Sean shares that after a long period of therapy and reflection came growth. With the growth he has experienced through positive life changes and interactions with the Declassified network he has been able to start over again and is now on a journey to help others through the lessons he has learned. He began by doing what so many fear..... by speaking out and explains how he managed his mental health and his transition from the military over social media and will soon be offering professional talks about his journey and how he can help others who may also be suffering in silence. To reach out to Sean you can find him on Instagram: seanjones_mc and on Twitter: @SeanJonesMC. Note: Guys and Girls, if you enjoyed this episode please kindly leave the show a review on iTunes. It really does help the show but more importantly it helps more and more people in need. Thank you.

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Now let the another episode baby now the episode Another episode that I'm not happy with. Yeah, we're going to talk about it. Yeah, what's up everybody? It's your boy Lynn Gonzalez and his OG nights. That's right. I'll be with my girl. You know what I'm saying? I ate one since day one whistling hand April in the building y'all so happy to be here again. Love being with my OG limb always. Yes, um who wasn't episode what an episode what did You think because I'm gonna tell you what I thought gosh, you know, I enjoyed it in certain ways and then I didn't as much in other ways as much I love this show but you know the Joanie part mainly I'm like, maybe they shouldn't do that at the end because it's kind of killing a few things for me, but I don't know. What do you think? I don't know. Okay. So the no apart fine, right? I thought that was good. I'm really liking how they're really dwelling into with Helen, you know and No, oh boy Sasha and that whole situation, right which is terrible and it's course knowing you know, and it's one of you is always the playing the victim sure, but I did feel bad for him. I feel bad from the situation even with the kids, but we get Anna Whitney's point of view, which I'm glad that we got our point of view in the first time, but I wanted something more poignant. I wanted something that was going to give me to the story and I felt like it did it like we knew that we you know, she has this boyfriend or fiancé that It is, you know, not contributing to the household. He's an artist but he's not a citizen. So technically I guess you can't work and can't really contribute but it's also like she's getting frustrated because it's not like he's really trying right. So we are leaving we already knew that so we got like more of that and then we see him, you know her with her boss, which okay sure. She has a terrible boss that just runs heard into the ground. Okay, great. Not really necessary for the story. And then we see our link up with fur cat who I hated what they were. Whether he didn't even say his name and then we see that happened and I'm like really this will give us you know, I we've been asking for a Whitney perspective since season one literally throw back on the after shows. Listen to us talk about what how much we want to Whitney person. That's true. I at this point and you know, we're only four episodes in but haven't we have ten episodes? We are kind of 11 because the last one is extra long, but I'm like, this is what y'all gay was for the first time. The city's perspective. I can appreciate it for certain reasons because I think they were trying to parallel Whitney and her boy versus Helen and Noah back in the day sure and then just giving us more Whitney and how she's you know dealing with a situation that she's in how she's kind of I don't want to say taking a fall a Fall From Grace, but you know think of like season 1 episode 1 Whitney where she comes out with a sunglasses and she's this kit. I mean, she's literally like 17 years old, I think right. She comes out she has his Persona and so it's like wow, okay, she doesn't have all this money anymore. She doesn't have this. So that's what they were trying to do. But it does it did just feel a little bit like a filler for those people that we don't have right. So then like you give us Joanie to fill in for that but then you have her erasing you have her throw you like Gabriel's box will get there. But I agree. I'm a little like, huh? I hope that we see in upcoming episodes. Codes that they kind of fit. I don't want to say fix this but like they show us. Okay. This is why we showed you what we did in episode 4. Well I again I do appreciate and you know, we love the show because the writing is so great. Right? So I feel like that they're going to give that to us and maybe I'm just being impatient because number one. I know this is the final season. We're known to be a patient's right, right, but this is the final season and I feel like being that it is the Season we have only so many episodes and all these point of views and all the storyline. I want it to wrap up in a bow a nice bow and you in turn, you know Joanie, you know as an adult which I'm not mad at I think that's dope sure because it's interesting interesting play, but you only give her give us five minutes of her every single episode aside from episode one and I'm just like, okay. What is this doing? Like is this building up to something? I mean, obviously it is right, but I just I'm just unhappy with the placement. I guess it seems like we should be getting there a little faster than we should be seeing you maybe this perspective from Whitney as much as I love seeing her perspective. I'm like that's that's not continuing the story of finishing what we know to be the final season of the affair, right? We want to know what happened with this this this this this and seeing Whitney with fur cat and you know, I it's tough to say because I really did like Her perspective. I really liked it. Right. I like seeing her. She's an amazing actress. So I feel like I'm you know, kind of being a little Devils Advocate at this point, but I'm just like if we're gonna see if we're going to get really get to know Joanie in these final episodes. I feel like we should be seeing more of her. Yes. Yes absolutely. Like they could have, you know, maybe shortened Whitney's there was a lot that they didn't need and my opinion right to show and they could have strengthened Jones. He's a little bit more and maybe they're just setting us up. We're going to do that and then I'll set and Joanie's going to be the entire episode or something like that. I mean, he know they always they do flip the script on us. Yeah, which you know, I think it like because it definitely is not predictable for sure. Let's get into the episode. So again, we see Noah start off with this one of you he comes over to pick the kids up for school and they're going over to Sasha's party, which why are the kids going to an adult party? I don't know the kids there. I was wondering Thing just because so, you know, obviously we are based in La as a show or as a studio right? A lot of our viewers around the country are not based in La obviously Halloween is a really big deal here. Yes, it is not everywhere else, but you go to these major are they have these major insane parties kids do not go to these parties. I would just like that to be clear mom and dad. I would have never got his party when I was a child Stacy is like, I don't know how old but let's Say well she's you know in the womanly time for it's a she's like 10 ish. Maybe a little older maybe a little younger whatever range Martin is Trevor. Sorry no more Trevor Trevor is teenager teenagers. Yeah, when I was in high school we go to this party granted. It was a little different you did see them like passing out candy and things like that. But like this is an adult party. I thought it was weird that they were going for sure. But also I thought it was Did that like I understand Helen has to work and Helen is doing Helen which I'm actually pretty happy about it comes off a little negative in this episode. But then again we are in Noah's perspective. So forth going to come off that way but I did think like if you're going to go if you're going to take your kids to your let's call him at this point. Anyway, her boyfriend's party. You need to be the one taking them like you can't have I don't even know how it was set up. She had to work late, but whatever. I don't know it was just Weird, I think well, Helen is definitely caught up and we seen her in this kind of ever since, you know, Noah cheated on her at the beginning of the first season. She's whenever she's you know got with someone else. She's kind of just giving their all to them maybe even prematurely foresight. And so Sasha is no different. You know, we've seen Helen act this way. We saw her when she went and she did look great when she walked out, but she was wearing something that We're watching who's like parks off a little bit. Like okay, I see you. I see you but yes, you're like the knee high boots and then little you know, the cool little you like the dress. She looked amazing. Yeah, but it wasn't what she normally wears. And so we see that cheese and even to the tune like she's an East coaster right? She's not from LA but she's adapting and it's like she's almost even now with Sasha's to get more familiar. And and now it's something seems like no. No, I like LA right? No and so she's adapting for the culture of La for sure. And they'll know what seeing that because he isn't seen her that way and when she walks out, he's like, oh, okay, something's different about her. He's missing what he left guess and age-old saying you won't you can't have course. And of course there's a I definitely think Noah is experiencing a little bit of this at this point in time, but I also think he's kind of coming into his own and realizing. Oh wait these things that I did were wrong even though at the time even me. I thought they were so right and was out had the show Khan in a different way. I probably would still be saying that no one else and were meant to be but that's not what we are. We're here. So I think for him to see her doing this and like we said last episode Helm is finally kind of just living her own life. They talk about a multiple times tonight. Helen is doing Helen. Yes, she is figuring it all out. So, you know, he's missing her a little bit, but sure I kind of like to see it but also with the whole Sasha thing. Can I get an especially living in a lie, you can see how people may get caught up in the celebrity of things but it just seems so unlike Helen to be that person who would do that. So that's why I'm like come on, but maybe we'll and and I think I think they're doing definitely doing that on purpose because it's really to show its kind of stick at I feel like to stick at Noah's like look she does not need you. She's had times where she's like. Oh, I still want to be with know even though she was with someone else. We've seen that in previous seasons and I feel like this is just showing like I don't need you. Yes, you know, she lost Vic, right he passed away and it's like no I'm not going to come back into your arms. No, I'm going to move on. This gentleman has pursuing me. I'm going to go all in and that's what it is. It's not that Noah's even making a move though. Yeah, right like he's kind of just realizing things for himself at this moment. It's not like he's like asking Helen out. It's not like he's I mean she is kind of stepping up when it comes to the kids, but also like You're their dad. That's your job. Right? So, you know, it's not that he's even expressing that maybe he wants her but they're doing a good job of showing us this process slowly because maybe it would seem a little fake if he just went straight in for the kill sure and we also have to appreciate it. It's his perspective. So maybe from her perspective she seeing it in a different way of being like, oh, well, no is here picking up the kids. He's taking him to this party. Maybe she would be seeing it that way and he's just saying it was her kind of like overlooking it. Well, I one thing about this whole situation is that He's definitely here for the kids. Yeah, regardless of the Helen situation. You can see that he's really wanting to get into and he lost a lot of time when he was in prison. And then we just kind of like then he comes back and then they're kind of just off him. So he cuts that we gain their trust. So he's trying to get back in her good graces with you know, the two youngest that we see and then Whitney, of course, so I feel like that he's trying and you know, obviously the little one she's definitely receptive. You know, she looks like she's a daddy's girl. Obviously our boy Trevor is still on the fence. He you know, he he likes his dad but he's just like, you know, he's kind of coming into his own self as you know, his own person moving into adulthood. So I feel like he definitely Harbors resentment for sure something I thought about were watching. The episode is that I'm like, oh he feels all this resentment toward his dad because of what happened with Alison and I'm like, oh wait. No he doesn't he well, of course, he feels real. Because of that because he remembers even though he was young he knows right but his dad went to jail. So you're if your dad goes to jail for murdering someone even though he's not the one that actually did it. You're not going to feel the greatest toward him sure, but I love how the show is doing or they're playing out no accepting him as being you know, the free person that he is that was a big topic of conversation last season was his sexuality and I love how they're doing it and just showing that he's being himself and that his family all Bo Margaret is you know, she makes her comments cool. Yeah, whatever. Let's not even think about her at this moment. But how Noah and Helen at least his parents are very accepting of everything that he's doing and it's just like a judgment-free zone. So I think it's a good aspect to show of their relationship. Absolutely. We see also when Noah's there he's there to pick up the kids. Wants to make sure he laments the same page when he leaves there. He runs into Joel who like Soul just pops up at the just most inopportune times. I don't know because it's I feel like he's also very irrelevant. Like I get it like he's taking the place now because his ex is not there anymore because she lost her job, right? And so Joel is now do you know the principal and so I guess he has to have some semblance of a Boss made me I just wanted to see it. He's just going to school and just doing it sitting at his desk and looking at a picture. That's all I need to say. Joel is very weird. He's very well. He also gives nor article which kind of pisses him off because it shows Sasha and Helen together and Sasha as you know, Helena Sasha's, you know boyfriend or girlfriend so and he's like, oh you want her back. Is that what you was up? What's up, you know and he's just obviously feeling some kind of way because Sasha's Saucer and he does not care for him. And because Sasha is playing him, right and they have all of this stuff going on with Sasha now getting a writing credit with the movie and all of this stuff. Like I was curious what you thought during that moment because this is this happens a lot in the movie business, maybe even more so than like we even realize but the whole Sasha now getting a writing credit when Noah is clearly the writer him not being allowed on set like I mean the fact that his Sedatives I guess sort of the same as Sasha's as well. I would I would flip out and maybe it's me being a little irrational but I'm like pull yourself from this movie. I guess you can't it's too late at this point in time his contracts as well. I think there's a lot that I think they want to show because Noah when we see the at the beginning of the very first part of the Season he's meeting with him. Yeah, and they're talking about the movie and him taking over and you know deciding to movie from the book. Obviously he gets involved with Helen so we already saw him. A prick we already saw him for what he was and thinking he's you know, the Hollywood and lead and all this kind of stuff. Like you don't know me scuse me, you know type thing. So now with the Helen situation it makes it that much more exponentially, you know hard for Noah and so we see him in this angst with not only is he having difficulties with the movie and him getting the credit he feels like he deserves but then now he is his ex-wife is with this man and is causing also additional No conflict for him. I would just die if I was him and this book that you wrote this movie that's supposed to be directly adapted from this book right now. The actor is getting this credit and who knows what's actually really happening because it's from his perspective, right? But like with the artwork this has Sasha man's descent. No, it's Noah solloway like starring Sasha man. That's what it should say. So I think that I think Noah's actually handling it pretty darn. Well despite what he does at the party. I think the fact that he's not tripping on situation. He is I would be I would be Trippin the parties insulation was crazy situation was crazy and I hated it because I'm like, you're gonna get caught. All right, right. It was bad and you got caught. Yeah before we get into the party situation. Hello afterbuzzers want to thank you so much for tuning in. Thank you everyone in the live chat. Make sure you like And subscribe. We appreciate we have so many different shows that we cover here at AfterBuzz. 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The fact that he is kind of Noah's doing or do you think no is doing well or do you as well? If not, do you think he's not handling? I feel it. Well, it's never doing well. That was all. Always like he's I feel like no one can never catch again. We got to keep it in perspective. This is his version, but I feel like he can't catch a break. Like here. He is. He has this book right when someone decides they're going to make a movie of your book. That's a huge undertaking. That's ginormous. That's great. And then you have this, you know famous actor whatever that's going to portray you and he's also producing and directing or what-have-you. He's involved in the back end of it, but then it goes way left to the Where he's literally he's using this to poke fun at Noah. He's with his ex-wife poking fun at Noah. He's now taking control of the operations. He can't even come to say he's poking fun at NOAA the fact that the book cover or the movie cover says, you know Sasha man descent now granted that's the name of the movie is just such a man exactly exactly right not which is all bad. And then I felt bad when he's there, you know with his Representatives. And they're like, well, we also represent Sasha. So this is doing something else. I think that like, I don't know the part that's tough is because we have to remember as viewers and as fans of the show, like maybe some of the stuff that no was going through now is punishment for what he did before but maybe I just feel that he's already been through punishment because he went to jail for somebody like true. We can't take the heaviness out of that. We didn't see that directly. We saw like a few interactions. Is people visiting him there? But like he said maybe I feel like he's already made up for what he's done. That's that I'm sure that won't be a popular opinion. But I guess it's just the fact that I'm like, it's his Granite. It is the book directly about his affair that he had. So like how great can that be? But it I just I would love to see him get the credit that he deserves because also it is a very successful book. I've been actually while we were watching the show I was like, oh wait no lost all his money, right? Right because he is driving a not so fancy car. Not that it's you know a right great that he has a car obviously but to have you know be a New York Times bestseller and your movie being made in our your book being made into a movie you expect for him to you know, boo Kudos Kudos money. Maybe that's coming at some point. But I guess I'm just thinking that he's not getting what he should get and the fact that he is able to stop himself especially around his kids for making certain comments about this person even though Persons making comments about him. Honestly, the moment Stacy said he says you're a loser. I was on the same thing. He did now granted I would have done it a lot smarter than he did. Right like you don't carry a toolbox of dildos and to a party and do it slow like you at least you run in run out. I was like that was the most predictable thing that I've probably seen in this show like I'm like, yo looking behind his story. It's a so conspicuous. And then he goes and does this thing doesn't get caught then goes back takes the brassiere off of the girl that he literally starts making out with this girl just to take the bra. Like that's the old school knowing which I know he's such a douchebag move obviously absolute but he's absolutely what is he doing it for me? Because at the end of the day He literally is trying to sabotage Sasha and he's trying to bring and the thing is he's trying to make Sasha look bad. Yeah, right. Sasha's doesn't have that. He's trying to make her and dude. He's listening to Helens mother. Come on now, like thanks a lot of people mentioned this in our comments on YouTube last week because we accidentally forgot to talk about it the moment where Noah walks in on Sasha with a syringe of vitamin B12. Oh, yes. Yes, a lot of people said that it was definitely drug. Some people said maybe some form of heroin or something like that. I'm like, that's the ammo that you need right there. But then again, how is he going to use that? It's not like he's gonna go to hell and be like, oh, by the way, I think was an injecting himself will hear when you should make it do a drug test. No, that's not going to fly. But he did what he thought was the moment that Noah started listening Margaret. That's what he failed. Yeah, because like Margaret does not care about you and I feel like Margaret will have Noah do Because she's never cared about him ever but I think that their moments tonight where they did she did she did that was a great moment that whole thing with Noah being trying to be there for his daughter and starting himself, you know in that moment and telling Margaret to go and sending, you know, Trevor off and a tuber so he can be there for his daughter. I wish you would have seen him attempt to call Helen though. I can't imagine that your daughter is going through that and you don't try to call her baby. He did we didn't see that the like that seems like the natural thing. NG to do - is one of you yeah sure. So he needs to be the hero right? So that's how I took and he was yeah, that's how I took it but I like that I like that and then you know Stacy ends up going with him when he has the gorilla maintenance man outfit which is terrible, which he got from Joel but he had a toolbox so grown this x right so then he does that and then kind of back tracks and then it's like oh no, this is a bad idea. And so then takes it back so that to me should have been the queue like You already backtracked you already decided you're not going to do it. Why are you going to now go back? And that's where I feel like Noah always messes up. He always makes the wrong decisions. Well, let's not forget that probably the reason why he did that is because this bra looked very similar to the one that Helen found in his drawer, which is why the preview at the very beginning of the episode was a flashback of Helen finding the bra. So watch the one like Joel said, what's the one thing you probably already know what's gonna set her off right? So this very similar Looking bra Noah tried to plant but clearly it just did not work at all. Can we talk about helling have an assistant now like she went straight Hollywood. Why do you need an assistant? Like what are you doing in her? I bet I thought we were going to see her perspective next because I was like I bet she is thinking this is so different than it actually is and I bet she feels like like any person in that situation would feel like you know, she's not the not that Helen is old by any means of course not but she's you know, she's not 20 years old. Sure, it's not directly out of college starting a new career. That's why she had that moment with Whitney's saying, you know, I'm trying to start a new career and I'm doing this. It's my second chance in life. I think would be very different coming from her perspective. But like I don't I mean she has an assistant answering the phone as hell and Butler right and we can't these little moments are what make the show like when Noah called her or when the phone rang it ring has helped us all away, but she's like how about there's office, right and she has an office and she basically Basically is it's like a menial task that she's having our do and she's like, oh, can I talk to her and he's like she's not available and it's just I just sorry I don't have it. Right exactly. Like what is that? What is that mean? I don't have her but it was definitely a I think I think the writers put that in because it's showing that Helen is Going Hollywood because again, you know, we talked about, you know, her mother wants her to go back to East Coast. She's like just go back to these coasts, you know, come back and she's like, no right just come back and she doesn't want to she's like No, I like it here. I like LA because remember if I'm not mistaken. She did not like La she was there for Vic. That's the only reason why she was there. She moved there to be close to him. And then of course no, I moved to be close to the kids. So if Vic had never happened she was still in these clothes. Yeah, but now that she's here now. She's falling in love with it. Now. She likes it. So I feel like it's just a way for the writers to show us that she's full on Hollywood got an assistant. She's probably doing she's doing yoga, you know do doing all these things the hollywood-esque thing. That's what dating the the affair equivalent of Brad Pitt will do to work. Ha ha ha. There you go. So we see Noah mess up with the whole Bri situation hellenists pissed and I knew that it was going to backfire. I was like, it's going to backfire just don't do it. He's again he's hand in the cookie jar. So I'm curious to see how Helen you know goes from here because really you just you you made it worse like soccer was already way. Now it doesn't matter because now you try to make him look bad we get in to Whitney's perspective which we talked about earlier. So she's in the bed with her boyfriend Colin who is not about anything. He's an artist. He has work of the studio, but won't let Whitney see it. So I don't I can't touch on it too much because I don't know the actual legal situation in this. I'm also just coming off of Orange Is the New Black where a lot of that a lot of what they talk about is an illegal alien. Alien working and taking these jobs and he's not doing that so he's not working and it's making Whitney really struggle. But I like the aspect of her being a hard worker. They're showing us she kind of like she really takes it all in stride every moment where I would have been like are you kidding me? Like, of course, I'm going to turn in there. I think I just accept it. I think we should use non-citizen non-citizens nonsense. Okay. Got it. That's just how I prefer. One that chose the still in my brain absolutely non-citizen and that's what he's in the process of I think into the whole fight about big about getting married and I don't know so, okay. Here's the thing when him being a non-citizen. Yeah has nothing to do with him showing Whitney his work the way I see it is that with his money with him not being able to make money, right? But what I'm saying is he's still an artist. He still creating things right? He's saying he can't go get A job at a business, you know and because he's not a citizen sure so but he can still be an artist and still do that stuff. The thing with me is saying she's not mad at that situation. She understands that but why are you not showing your work because in her mind, she's pulling all the work. She's she's paying all the bills. She's paying the rent with her salary that she gets from the art gallery. Yeah, and so she's saying like yo, can I see her work because she wants to see that he's doing something and remember she challenged him. When she came home and he was waking up from a nap, right? She's like, oh you just woke old I was up for a nap. He's like, what did you do today? And he's like, well, I was painting and he's like, okay and but you took a nap, it's like yeah, I was tired from painting. Yeah. Well, let me see the painting like I would be in the if I was paying all the bills and then somebody else was just like oh, yeah. I was painting all day. Oh God, I'd love to see it. Right. It's a very artist thing they don't want people to see their stuff until it's done. But also like I get it from where she's coming from right at some point it you kind of start to boil. Oil over and start thinking okay. This is just all me. You know, she's paying the rent and it seems like she's not really being, you know adequately paid at work. So to have everything kind of on you is going to boil over just like we see it boil over tonight when she ends up sleeping with her cat which is just insane, but he does offer up an option like he's like, okay, let's get married right now. Right and she doesn't want that. So there there's always, you know going to be a back. Forthwith. Okay. This is the situation that we're in we're going to be together. We're going to make this work. But you know, I definitely think they're showing us this because of them trying to compare her to hell and back in the day. That's why they gave us the scene of Helen saying that she worked at a bagel shop for a year or longer what or whatever it was because you do what you have to do to make it work if that person that you're with is who you think you should be with I just think with him and we saw this when she was talking about going to the opening right where Fork I was going to be and she had to go because her boss was making her go, right so she had no choice and he was having some issue with it because he's like, you know, oh this is not truth and all this kind of stuff. He's like trying to be like, oh this is not the type of artist. I'm you know, I ôm or You should even be entertained by or even should be associated with and her thing is like well and that's further takes me to be like, I think he's kind of a fraud because husband her fiance my fiance Because here you are you're saying that you can't work. Okay fine. We understand that legally. You can't. Yeah, but you're creating this art that could possibly because when you get sell it you created what can be sold by Whitney. Yeah. She's in the business. So but then you're not done and you can't and I know you want me to see it. Then I go to somewhere where I have to be because I'm working and you're like, oh those people are terrible. Oh, those are those aren't true artist. Oh, they don't Captivate and it just sounds really bad. It just sounds like you're making excuses. Is for your inadequacy it also sounds like you're just trying to you know, it's a very I'm sure obviously this happens at other places as well. But it's a very La thing like oh, that's these people don't stand up for this. This is this this is this this is she's like honey. I have to make money now granted we know there were other actually, I don't think there were other reasons. She went because her boss wanted her to go right now. Obviously other things ended up happening, but I think originally she went because her boss was like we're going so Let's do this. So it kind of its like don't make her feel bad about something. She has to do right in order to help support use making money. You're not bringing any money to the table, right? But yeah, you're you know, you can't even buy the coffee like that's the thing and I think that's how and again, you know, we talked about versions. This is her version. Yeah. So this our perspective is a probably be different but certain things are factual exactly and I feel like if he's not bring any money to the table and that's what it is. Then you need to step it up either. And at the very least at least the house is clean at least, you know, the frigerator stopped at least she has coffee, you know, and I thought it was interesting that and I wanted to get from you like why do you think she was hiding the wine because remember she came home and she started drinking wine. Well, they said he did she they said he doesn't drink so he came from a family of Alcoholics and that's what that's what he said last episode of dinner. Well because I dinner he wasn't he didn't have like in the he talked about or maybe it was in the second up whenever we met him. Said he questioned the family of Alcoholics, so he doesn't partake. It's got essentially but I'm also like Have a glass of wine. Yeah, like you're okay Douglas have a glass of wine. So maybe you don't go on this bender and we see you know smoking weed. You obviously have been doing something else as well. So your life is still a little bit of what it is, you know you want to take into account. This is your fiance and you care about him, but also like take care of yourself just like what Helens doing. Maybe we need to do a little bit. I'll leave that you don't just go so crazy take on what their mom. He said it was fine. But I mean I get it like if you feel some kind of way. You're going to be like no. No, I'm good. I'm good. We talked about fur coat hooks hate this guy blasting. He's oh that was the other thing. He had words about him because he called him a pedophile right which we know that you know, when he was with Whitney when he was very very young very young very young. It's not so yeah, he's not so young. And so she's now 24. We do know that he kind of just sachets into the gallery right and invites her, you know, Oh to be there and of course her boss Andre is just like oh my God you're talking and so, you know, so, you know, she's like We're going and she's like I lost the invitation. I don't really want to go. Oh, it's my ex-boyfriend. No, we're going she just all she cares about is you're going because you're invited and I need that, you know plus one. So they go to the gallery and she then starts talking to We couldn't get his name. I didn't get his name. They said his name but we may have been so right. So right in chat, let us know as yes, please but it's somebody that for cat is working with that ends up, you know telling basically Whitney that look you could work for him and that would be an upgrade for you. Right? And so our excuse me, we see that he then is all over her and you know, they go to the gallery, right? You know, they step away Andrea and the other gentleman step away. So now she's with him. Him and she's very uncomfortable. Right? Because again, we know that the last time they were together that he hit her and was abusive to her physically and she was not about that. So he's trying to be like no no. No, it's okay I've changed and so they go to this little area then we got weird. So he gets on his hands and knees and starts groveling and she's just like no no get up and it's in an area like, this is all pre-plant. Yeah. This is an area where everybody can see is glass and Loser, so everybody can see and they're all looking and he's doing that. Just please forgive me and then we start seeing these images pop up. That's of Whitney. It was like an exhibit of its own right? So, you know the images I was surprised that she wasn't a little more taken aback by at least the like nude images but one of the things I was thinking while we were watching and I was so curious as to what you thought were you thinking at all that he was legitimate with His apology at first absolutely not. No. I was a little you were not that I thought he was deserving of an acceptance of the apology. But I was like wow, okay, he sought her out. He's you know coming to this random studio in La maybe he is and then I was like, I love the trickery could I really be that dumb the second I saw her face up on the like the Kaleidoscope type wall. I was like, wow, you really just did this and it makes Me sad, you know she I was looking at Julia's the person who plays Whitney, of course her Twitter before and she was like everyone's like should she go back with fur cat? And she was like you think you'd know not to go back to an abusive boyfriend the first time but we'll see and even like while I was watching the show. I'm like, this is what happens people get, you know, mesmerized by the apology. He's making this huge deal. He's on his knees in front of a gallery of people. He's putting her face on the wall. He's made the entire. Exhibit about her and then you see what ends up happening. Obviously, he's still just using her or he's making a spectacle of her anyway, and it makes me sad that this happened to her because like it's just as watch because of you were like I said, I was like, oh he did all of this. No. No the same I peeped it from day one. I mean I peeped it do know when we first were introduced was introduced to him when she was with him. I did not like him when he came back I saw him and it just he looked He basically I could see where he was going. He wanted to I could see that he wanted her hit her back in his life. And yes, he's probably sorry for the things he did. I'm not negating that but he's still a douche bag. Absolutely because how are you going to sit up there and set somebody up because you could easily just apologized. He could apologize right then and there he's like look, I just really want to apologize for whatever I did but no he has to make a spectacle out of it. And then you have this these images and this whole gallery It up in honor of her that she knew nothing about and then you're groveling. So it's almost like you're forcing her because she literally she didn't want it really except that. No, but she was forced to because everybody's watching and she didn't want to look like, you know a jerk or whatever so she's like, okay fine fine get up. I applaud you know, I accept your apology get up. Just you know, she wanted to stop now granted when they go to the bedroom. She didn't have to sleep with him, but she decides to do so because she feels like she's that's where she's at. Whatever reason why do you think I'm just curious one of your perspective now that all that's over she goes and she you think she succumbs to sleeping with him knowing she obviously has her man at home. Yeah bigger than that. I think it was like why she kept going after this artist was watching and she knew that he was watching like push him off of you run away. I think at that point in her mind, she was like I've done this terrible thing obviously definitely had been drinking. Also smoking weed that plays into it as well. I think it was just like this is easy. And I think she is that's what they wanted to show us the struggle that she's going through and then to be in this situation where he literally says to her while they're like, she's laying on top of him for cat says like he could give you this gallery and she's like she fights with it's not like she just gives in but then I mean she does and she's like, okay and I don't know it makes me just ill to think about because Is so much. Yeah, it was really weird. I feel like I mean for cat obviously took advantage he knew that they had, you know, obviously history he took advantage of that and you know, they slept together, but that was so weird with the other guy, they're watching and it was just it was just a weird Scene It just reminds me of flashback. When Noah that went to that party when they ended up seeing yes. Yes. Yes. Yes, so it is very rare and look like a perv. But it was just it was weird. So really quick with Joanie. We see her very very quick. She basically she wakes up at you know, her dad Scott Lockhart's house where she had, you know, obviously stayed over. Oh my God Cole scuse me, and then she starts taking all the memorabilia for the pictures and stuff and just start chucking it. Yeah starts going into a bag and then she you know takes that she tries to take the car's not working. It's been 24 years old guys not gonna start look pretty dude. Yeah, this that whole situation is still weird. I want to see how what the Indians like what they get to and then she goes to visit the gravesite. And so and that's where it is. It's just hey Dad. Yes, so confirmed that he's dead. Right, right. So yeah, let's get into predictions real quick. Let's do that your AfterBuzz TV prediction. All right, what you got? Oh gosh. I mean what is there to predict I'm going to Say Helen is a smart lady and she will find out that Sasha is a douchebag. Okay, what do you think? Um, I think that I agree with you. I think she's going to realize such as reduced back. It's still probably going to take A Couple Episode because no one messed up. I think he did worse than he did. I'm good. I think that there's going to be an epiphany with Helens mother in regards to but now that she sees no has has the cojones and he's kind of back. So I think she's going to kind of be on Side, so I think there's going to be an interesting and you know dichotomy with that and then hopefully I'm just want this to happen that we see more with June Johny. Yes, and that just it. Yes. We see more than five minutes and we at least have to say it by next episode. If we don't see more than five minutes of Joanie next episode color me pissed. Okay. I'm not going to be right exactly. It's going to be terrible. Ladies and gentlemen that has been our show we gonna thank you so much for tuning in. Thank everyone the live chat make sure you comment letting Us know what you think let someone you give this episode. 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Join hosts Lem Gonsalves and April Whisenhant as they break down Episode 4 of #TheAffair. Noah is stepping up as a dad and fills in while Helen is doing Helen, Whitney visits ghosts of boyfriends past and Joanie seemingly tries to erase any evidence of her parents from Cole’s house. SPOILER ALERT: COLE IS DEAD?! All this and more! Follow our hosts: @lemgonsalves @aprilwhisenhant The Affair After Show: Join our hosts on THE AFFAIR AFTER SHOW as they explore the emotional and psychological effects of two affairs on the Showtime series. Each week we recap, review and analyze in-depth as Noah and Alison impact the people in their lives - from husband to wife to all the way down to the kids. Plus we’ll have inside scoops from cast and crew. ABOUT THE AFFAIR: The Affair explores the emotional and psychological effects of an extramarital affair. The drama will be told separately from the male and female perspectives using the distinct memory biases to both misdirect and intrigue. "The Affair" explores the emotional/psychological effects of two affairs. Young diner waitress Alison and her husband, rancher Cole, are struggling -- personally and financially -- in the wake of tragedy. Noah, a settled teacher and would-be novelist, is summering at his in-laws' Hamptons estate with his wife, Helen, and four kids. When Noah meets Alison, they begin an affair. For her, he's a welcome escape; for him, she's a pretty distraction. But, the tryst eventually ends two marriages -- one that was already a bit shaky, the other that was on solid ground.

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I'm getting at shut the fuck up and answer the question goddamnit lots of Oxycontin. Thank you a lot. What would you call it sweets? We were just drilling my whole premise. It's a sweet sweet suck a tree. It's still better than sucker, which is what some people call it. You know what I'm talking about. KSU. Julie was not a patron no calls me out. What and she was on our live earlier tonight giving us some bullshit making fun of you for pointing. You know. What this is for U KS you this is for you Casey. I was I guess what KSU? When did you when did you actually go to college was a while ago? I'm gonna I'm gonna guess. Yeah. It's probably kids. Guess what maybe drop the University from your name? You're a fucking grown adult. Yeah. It's probably 2017. Who's the sucker now? Anyway, I don't know. Remember what we were talking about? Yeah, so if you want to be violated listen up because so it's a great double standards app, Ms. Kabayan rate. One of the most loyal from the beginning. Look if I were going to say who the 200 G's were. Oh, yeah. This is so hard Temple was built and on rock and roll one Arch Rock Band I'ma buy it and then I would say funky feet Barbara guys right there coming up coming up in the rear. No offense. So Ms. But by and wanted to know was your shrieking during the last double standard this is what we're doing. So we you know, so we also push, you know Publishers on YouTube these episodes and so the idea is hopefully we want you to like really happening. But it we're trying to entice people when they see how good-looking we both are no one's good looking but the point is you're not acute Fassbender 2.0. Yeah low-rent low-rent. I'm a with a somebody call me like, I'm a third copy of Paul Rudd. Yeah. Yeah, but that's only because I encourage them to call me Paul Rudd. I don't think they really think that I don't think that you look like Paul Rudd. Fuck you God. How about that one? Hey listen, so on last week's episode MSB Bayan common commented Pete was drinking before this episode was how dare you also he needs to do an entire episode in his British accent. She hasn't messaged me independently. First thing and asked me to have you do this. Like I said Over My Dead Body am I gonna let that happen? Last episode I first I did not have anything to eat. You embarrassed yourself. Let's be honest. I was I texted you guys and I go I just listened this episode. I was unintelligible for half of it and no one I didn't even know they and I have spoken about it. We think lubed up Pete in more ways than one is more fun if better than yeah. Maybe you had a beer too many. I had no I the non the Silver version is nothing great it. I get worse as I drink and as you get to know me you get better and both sir. Oh my gosh, you know what? What a welcome surprise for my wife and family everybody. Yay. Look this is had here tonight. My family had a few tonight. I've had a couple but last week, let me just put it this last week. I must be buying you're goddamn right? I can't believe I haven't pandered to one of our oh, geez. He's and given a little British little. Oh, I don't know. What am I gonna do be like MSB buying you that I gu don't mean so kind of it we go sick to my stomach. Does it really now liverpudlian looking right straight out of man? Who's the king of your shuttle at Castle? What if I wanted to do Newcastle give you print a paper. Does anyone have any I will fucking I need some print appear bodies. I will walk out of here. You should right now I can't wait till you know what but then people We'll miss your Dolphins. He's got a dolphin's t-shirt, but it looks new go to YouTube. Was that are you being sarcastic you saying? It looks old. No I'm saying is that the new logo? Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's a few years. It's not from the 70s or 80s. No, but it's a new is that really their new logo? It's like a streamlined all years old. But yeah, they all did it's like oh, yeah, it's him. Now. There's that easy to make a dolphin look like if you know who did a good job of revamping their uniforms as Seahawks. Remember that thing used to be a real piece of shit the gray and growing up. The Seahawks were my second favorite team. They were horrible. And then they Steve Largent they kind of pulled together some other people could figure it out. Like what the fuck is this? You know, what name three players who've ever played football in the history of America. I'm happy homes. Tom Brady's son of a bitch and Mike Ditka. Oh, wow. Look at that, huh? I'm proud of you Mahomes. Thank break. I can't wait by the way, what a great time to be alive. What because Mahomes is Because football is about to start it's what three weeks away. We're gonna do a back-to-school episode at the beginning of September and I'm sure they'll be some football chatter nice. I mean here in the states. It's nice to be able to come off the summer here in the states. Well, we have international listeners. There's people in scunthorpe. Listen, what is like aren't Thorpe. It's a it's a beautiful beautiful sounds like a he-man villain UK scunthorpe and Skeletor and Trenton battling for Eternia. Attorney. Yeah, so what's funny about football season is my birthday is a very beginning September. I'm a Virgo look it up. It always happens to coincide with the start of football. Okay, what's even better is my team always sucks shit. Yep. So, I love it. Yeah, none of those things really made a difference to you. Okay. I turned 36 in September. Oh, that's not true. So here's one thing. I wanted to bring a list 34 you honestly have a demeanor of a mile. Demeanor of like an 80 year old person but I look 31 32. I mean, I mean, yeah, if you put a filter on and drink a lot of beers for sure. So here's the deal beer goggles. I obviously wanted to catch something from last you don't know but I didn't even so before we get into it, which this week's is just a grab bag of fucking all over the place this week. Well, it's a it's a hot mess but it's the it's the 30th episode so we don't really know what we're doing. Yeah. But so last week you had a comment that said hot dad's of Disneyland so hot that don't let me finish my God hot dad's of did Disneyland acceptable versus MILF which is offensive. So last week's episode was about double standards parenting double standards. Everything about double standards didn't come up. This didn't come up and I was like, I was going through the document that we normally put together like our doc. Yeah. Wow, I'm very proud of you. This is very official and we were like, oh the this is what like, what the fuck Is this hot? Is that a thing? Yes. Oh, there's an Instagram account. That is I don't know if it's called hot dad's of Disneyland It's a thing where it's the photos and Mac are collected of dads annoying. I thought it was a thing that culturally people would say like, you know, that's a not a dilf because that's a weird. That's that's not gonna catch. I have a dope mug at home. You can also if you want we can put that on spreadshirt.com. / dad cash and - Barry, don't worry, don't worry. Shop that spreadshirt.com Dad - and - Barry - anyway, so there's an Instagram account. I believe that's called the hot dad's of Disneyland or dilfs of Disneyland where they take photos of guys who are like wearing their kids or whatever and a good-looking dude. Okay. There's a there used to be a prominent dad blogger who is featured on their not me. I haven't been to Disneyland yet or obviously. I'll be there. Yeah. Yeah, I mean who is this person is account not going to say names are not going to name names walking around Disneyland. Yeah. No. No, I don't know. I don't know if they like get permission. But yeah, I don't look it's the fucking internet. It's the wild west. I know this whole it's fucking Thunder Mountain. Isn't that what they call that our minds of fun? Right? I deserve it. Anyway, I feel like if you were to create account that was called hot moms of Disneyland or MILFs of Disneyland. You'd get some blowback now. That's why I put it in this league. What I initially put it on the on the double standards thing. I wanted to get into sexism. We didn't have enough to know what we should do. We should talk before we do this show. You know, what we're not friends which is the problem which right is to the first question. We're going to get to when we come back from the break. All right episode 30 mailbag grab bag. Anything goes let's do this. Hey, Mike, have you heard of Spotify before? I have heard of Spotify? Really? Yeah, because on Spotify you can listen to all of your favorite artists and podcasts in one place for free. You don't even need a premium account Spotify as a huge catalogue of podcast on every topic including the one you're listening to right now here. We were having a normal conversation and I thought I knew more about Spotify. We're on Spotify. You can follow your favorite podcast. So you never miss an episode premium users can download episodes and listen offline. Ever you are and easily share what you're listening to with your friends on Instagram. I'm on Instagram. Are you on Instagram? Get out of here? If you haven't done so already be sure to download the Spotify app search for Dad and buried on Spotify or browse podcast in the your library tab. Also, make sure to follow me and Pete so you never miss an episode of the dead and buried show. Here we are guys. We are back on the grab bag mail bag or the mail bag grab bag. The poor thing is this episode 30 which is episode frankly insane. I can't believe we've done 30 episodes. That's a long time more than half a year less than a full year. As I said at the top. I want to thank everybody who's listening to even one. I know if anyone is out there who's listened to all 30, please message us and let us know. I'm very curious. Listen to off 30. You deserve why like a sticker. Stop talking about Sarge. We know we oh, sorry Tokyo you we gonna get you we do. Oh, sorry. We owe a lot. He got two mugs will get it ones in pieces the other one. He's drinking out of right now. I did see the picture I sent it to you. We should post that picture the shitty shipping from what was that was that spreadshirt? But sure but you know what it's the merchandise is fantabulous. They did replace it because they're Champions. Yep, you know, who else is it? Champion Sarge. Yep. He absolutely is. You know, who's not a champion you okay? What a dick thing to say. So I wanted to say so little charmer 80 the first question. We're going to start this whole thing with she asked me when you and Pete first met what were your first impressions of each other and be honest, so I want to see if you remember I think you do. Yeah, I think the first time we met so the way we know each other is I went to high school with our mutual friend Tim right Tim went to college with the woman who became your wife right who later became my wife. So you met Tim through your wife when you were still dating and I had known Tim from high school and then you guys moved to New York, and then I didn't live in New York, so I wasn't part of my friends think it's a great thing. A great way to know each other and then I came to New York because I was trying out for VH1's World Series of pop-culture game show. This is a true. This is a true story. So I came to New York and I'm like, who do I know in New York? Oh my friend Tim. Let's go see Tim. So myself. My friend sued who is on my team. I don't remember if my friend Jeff who's also on my team was there? I don't think so think he knew someone else and he was going to see him and maybe my future wife Heather sutures. Living in New York at the time to just living in New York. I'd yeah, you're right me Heather and Jeff drove down and we met up right so we met up so I think it was like the nolita house or something like that in SoHo not knowingly house it was so it was like the it was on house and somewhere around anyway, so we met and my first impression was it was like you and Tim seem to have like some fucking Vaudeville routine going on you guys were very much like we were going back and forth Abbott and Costello. I was like, this is fucking borderline rehearsed. It's obnoxious. I knew Tim and he has a very much a practiced kind of the song. I'm going to appear to people and you seem to be buying into that very much. Yeah, we got along. Yeah, I asked II don't even remember you guests somehow guest one of the questions that will on the entry we were taught. So I was touring the game shit. I was very interested what that you would come all this way and I didn't yet know that you knew nothing about pop culture. Yeah. So but you had come all this way down and I thought at first it was a joke that you were just joking that you were going to go. On the show. I'm like no. No, I really am and then we're trying to be honest. Okay. Well this guy, holy shit, right, he knows a lot of stuff. This guy's going places. We came close we almost made it so but I did but I I do remember being interested then because it was like, okay. So what's your strategy? I remember asking about your strategy and kind of getting into it and then you were actually really like so this is what we're gonna do. We're gonna do this. Well, I knew this about the like structure I had a Friend who would try it out? So I knew like it started off with a written test and then if everybody on your team, so just to back up for a second. You would actually passed a test to go. This was no you sent an application. Yeah, there's multiple levels to this which I was also interested. So I think you had to send an application with you and your friends. Right? And if you got selected via the application then you had to go in and you sat in a room. This is when we met you before we sat in the room right after application have been selected you sat in a room with like 30 other teams of three. Yeah, and everybody on the team we don't know for sure. But I think everybody on the team had to get a certain amount right and then the combined score had to be certain about to get selected and then you get selected you go into a room and you like a screen test. And if your chemistry is good you get put into like a mini tournament the regional tournament really start dating each other we did. So we made it to the mini tournament and then in the second round of the tournament, we lost a more Community question that I didn't know the answer to we mostly lost because the category selection anyway, Before we took the written test we met with you and you correctly guessed something about Dave Mustaine a question that ended up being on the test. Like who was the lead singer of Megadeth or who left Metallica and started Megadeth? And you said some of them I didn't that doesn't sound like a question. I don't know. It wasn't a question. I don't know how came out but that's what happened. And I was like, I'm beholding to this guy and then I met you again later and I'm like, oh that was a mistake. It's guy kinda sucks it this fucking guy. So then eventually I moved to New York and we were in each other circles and we I didn't know that some people and then it happened. It all happened. Everything happened. It was like two years or three years or longer than that. This is probably what it was. That was like probably like 2003 is yeah your 2005 and then I said many layers have three and five and then Mike and family moved to you had New York. No you just I didn't have family. I just had a wife. Yeah, so I'm AI secret family, but you weren't why did you say that now? My wife knows about it because the one thing that if you Married and you have family that you want to do is have another family. Yeah, you're not ready to best thing I want to do is move to New York City with a family where you can't have any fun like the best of ultimate and then also be married to a secondary family, which is my double family. Yeah, because okay. So that's a little back story on us and how we got episode 30 we get along unbelievably. Well, we know what yeah, and that was it and then the next the foundation of it all chemistry. I didn't make the show. Yep. And we didn't see each other again until Tim's wedding and I'm five years later and then two years later and then you now left to North Carolina for a few years and then came back. You know what people don't need to know about that part either. Why not you talk about it. I'd rather forget that aspect of my my love everybody. No worries. He didn't good enough. So this is the grab bag male black and we got a lot of questions from a lot of different people. Although we got a lot of questions from my handful of people. So some people submitted some people submitted. Tons of questions, right? So quartz Iana Court. Seanna great does we went through this? Okay fine on away if you pronouncing Anna it's fine. It doesn't matter. I don't know that I feel that way but I'll give you only difference would be if you were to say like if pronounce David David a so we tried well, I do as a matter of fact, so we tried to separate this episode in this some categories, but it might get a little loosey-goosey as Pete likes to say and I was like Pete stop saying that it's a strange phrase that nice and comfy cozy Loosey Goosey Loosey Goosey. So the first question courts Diana asks is about parenting. So we have a little parenting says Reese's what do you miss most about your pre dad life. I'm going to leave that one to you Pete. What do you think? Oh, man, you know, what easy walking around em, em, like you just don't give a shit. You know, what's funny like literally walking around. So there are a handful of times since pre dad. So pre dad. There are a handful of times as a distinct memories I have of walking around with my wife. We didn't have the car with your wife. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and it was good. It was a good memory not like a lot of the other ones which are most of the suck. Yeah. Now this is a really fun one where we just walking around the city and we had at that point. We had two kids and they were being taken care of by my parents who took care of this isn't your free dad life though know what I'm talking about. If you have his kids already, it's not pre dead. That's actually a point. Anyway, just Walking around just just honestly walking around. Yeah, like when you able to be like hey Saturdays and Sundays the weekends. We just we would just absolutely Crush we go. What do you want to do? Wake up, I do whatever I do. I don't want how about nothing? What the fuck? No, yeah do that we would do it, but you could do nothing, but we wouldn't you didn't have to get that kids out of the house to burn some energy. We did ever go to goddamn fucking Coney Island when I when I was Child free as they say and even wife free. One of my favorite things to do was and this was when I still live in Boston after college was to like on a Saturday. I know I'm dating myself. I'm gonna go to Tower Records. I'm gonna on a Saturday morning at our records. I'm going to listen to some new albums and maybe I'm going to buy something new just listen to a handful want around do whatever I want. Maybe I could go to get some lunch. Whatever. Guess what I mean. Can you imagine just like my kids can't even go to eat our record deal. I can exist. What do you want to do have to eat? I don't know whatever. I fucking want yeah, let's go drinking. Well, what else? Uh, let's find out. What other what do I miss these? So I want to do great courts, Gianna Gianna. What do I miss most about my pre dad life every fucking thing. That's what it boils down to it. What if she says what's the best part of your dad life besides kids nothing. I mean besides kid. The only benefit of being a dad is having the kids. I love my kids. They're great if I didn't have kids and I was still had like a dad lifestyle. This fucking nothing there. What do you mean? I'm tethered. It's like having a shitty dog. Who sucks that I'm not any good dog. I love dogs. It's like having a shitty dog. You have to go home. You have to be there. What is there? That's out of the question. Even me. Excuse me. The best part of dad life is looking down on non dads and being like shut the fuck up. Yeah you and someone can you don't understand shit? Yes. I like it. You don't even know what hell is like for kids. Guess what? I've 9. Yeah, and that's what you do to me all the time. You have to I have three cats. What and don't blame me for your bad decisions, you know what the best decision I ever made was the ability to look down my nose at other peoples by having three kids and just simply judge away. I don't know that it's worth it. I don't know this worth it. I know it's best decision. I ever made up inside and as he's ever made the start in this podcast with my friend Pete. Look at you you Beautiful Beautiful Bastard, of course, he on his last question, although I don't know maybe she comes back around. She asked a lot of shit. What is one thing you didn't? / realized what happened when you became a parent. Oh, what would happen What would happen? Oh for real for me, the realization realities at four months or five months of your first kit. Yeah, the realization that so past that first like glow like I got this and it or maybe when it started to go into like I want to see like six months or whatever is like, holy shit. This is for really forever. This is all right. You were like long time. You're like, oh, that's a fun. Mark let's have a kid and you realize and then you're like I'm a Tethered to this. I'm a cool guy being for the rest of the island the kid starts from crawling and walking around you a cold. It changes your brain. Yeah. What is about to happen o 3 years of No, Sleep Tight not three. Forever of no sleep. No. No, we taped the other ones. So been teeny 80 how many nights is it? Okay for parents to have a drink, please say seven 100% look if you don't drink that's fine. If you're if you can't drink anymore, that's fine. If you need a drink or take the edge off, that's fine. Do we got to do everything in moderation unless you want to get drunk and then fucking go nuts. Yeah. I mean it was I drink seven nights a week. Yeah, I'm not gonna lie. I don't get drunk seven nights a week. I have to take I take off a couple months just in the yeah, you do that that weird January February March thing A lot of people do that. I don't know it's not because you're worried about your intake. You're just trying to lose weight not yeah that and just also give them get my fucking body a break from drinking see. Yeah, that would be good idea. I haven't done that yet. I should little Tremor 80 would either of you have more kids parentheses. I think I know the answer you do know the answer. Do you know what? This is going to fucking blow my mind you would. They're yeah, I would so can I just say the difference between having one kit know? I like I know what you're saying. No kid from want to get it ready in 3 to 4 is 100% Your fucking life is from one kid to to kid. You're like, oh I got this. No. No, it's another 100 percent life flip upside down. Well, you didn't even think there was another one person. It's you have time so I know you're going to say I have a counter going already going to three kids was like 8 percent. It was like I'm going to the Already at six o'clock in the morning. Is that what's changes? My life is Hell already exactly and then the the next one but at the end of the day, I mean I wouldn't but I wouldn't if I have the question is means maybe it's not about it's not about how adding one changes it's about starting over with one and like you're five years in your past the diapers your pass all that shit starting over with a baby now. Can I say something that's also going to be really annoying to this audience. I'm already annoyed the law. Not my youngest my son. Who's our youngest is Drive. He's five. I enjoyed almost that experience better than I enjoyed the first two and that's the cause you're a veteran. Well, that's it. And I feel yeah, that's it. I just was like, that's why I think that would not be the only reason so now you're like if I have another one, maybe I'll like that young stage or even more what it takes two years before you get to any Goods with a baby or you I have no I know but I but all of that being factored in with my youngest like it was way it all seemed to have clicked in a way that it didn't with the first because the first two you're trying to fend them off you're playing of you go from Zone to a man on man. You don't know what the hell I would like it would either of you have more kids. I would like to answer for myself for the record. No, I will not I don't want to ginja ninja nine nine nine. I like that name ginja ninja I assume she's a redheaded Ninja Warrior. Yeah, and then what's the most difficult thing even? I counted about being a stay-at-home dad. I assume that's for me since you're gainfully employed and I am a stay-at-home dad. The most difficult thing is doing things of any kind. I'm not good at it. I'm not motivated. It's hard to get out of the house. So when you were single you just wouldn't do anything that that's know when I was single. I didn't have to fucking pack a bag with diapers and wipes and food and snacks and milk and load somebody in the car seat to go grocery shopping. Right and I If I was single, I'm not bringing someone to a playground to watch them swing would you if I'm single I'm getting on the swings myself and having the time of my life at the dance. It's what would you just stay home and watch the like, would you just like to like watch TV all the time or what? I mean, I would watch TV a lot sure not at all the time. I just talked about how we go to Tower Records and listen to music, but when I was single by myself, yeah, I could if I wanted to and everybody keep going stir-crazy exactly did whatever I wanted. It's difficult for me because being a stay-at-home dad is not my choice, right? I would rather have a job and it's not like me and my wife were like, all right, let me I'll work and you be a stay-at-home dad. Like I want to have a job we both do at this point. So it's not necessarily intentional if you got a job with Mom and buried continue to have her job. Yeah, at least for a while, you know, we need to we need the income and need the money meaning from like she's cool with working as well as he It's working. She likes having a job people, you know, whether you know, if it was within it within our means for us to kind of find some kind of flexibility with our jobs maybe but she much would much prefer to be home with the kids and I I see Christina and Valentine said, do you regret having more than one kid? I I do think so. I had a five-year gap between my first and my second and having five years of just one kid, and then suddenly having to is jarring, but I love My second kid so much that it's like I could never say regret like yeah, but but yeah, I mean my life with one kid was a lot easier and sometimes I'm like kind of wish we had stopped but I love my second kid so much. I would never think that 0 good know. I love having three I like, you know, I was a little bit more honest City staff for Nami dad guilt. Does it exist? I think it exists. I think it's a little bit different right? My guilt is more like if I fly off the handle or if I'm not doing enough for a man being a To my kids I feel bad about how I behave towards them. Mom guilt. I think is it kind of a little bit of a different Beast. So because of society for me, it's a little different. I really have put myself in a very stupid position, which is as a grill income provider is the worst thing you could possibly be angry at this time. I've all I think about is just making sure that my like they have enough I can yeah, I can I can write So you're guilty about like I'm not working enough. I'm not bringing enough home, but I have no I feel I'm unemployed. No, I know but feeling that way. Yeah, I think I think the mom guilt there's Dad go but it's on different lines. No, but yeah, I mean, I think I for me it definitely is the provider concept is as being a dad is heavy the provider concept. Yeah, that is provider chauvinist. Okay. So now we guess it's some people ask for some advice you chauvinist been teeny 80 Again, she is all over God. Yes, a lot of questions. Let's hear it says what's the best piece of advice for new parents? You have this locked down do I? Yes, do not join any racist group. That's true. Don't you join racist group said that more than one time. It's a great piece of advice for you whether you're a parent and I you didn't get it. You were like now I know it seems like a good idea but not when you're a new parent. It doesn't my best piece of advice for my pest piece of advice for new parents. It's I think is calm down. Right like parents have been having kids people have been having kids for thousands of years and they've survived like we get so anxious over so much shit, right? Oh my God, I got a fucking make sure my kid is eating. Guess what? Our next episode is about old like how our parents used to parent results and I think they were less anxious than we are. Right. So like If you're worried about whether your kid is eating enough guess what your kids not fucking going to starve if you're worried about oh, it's taking too long to potty train my kid the odds of your kid being in a diaper and high school or fucking slim. It's gonna happen, right? It might not happen to the timetable you want but it's going to happen. Like I think we get worked up about competing in Milestones. I think we just need to calm down. Are you Pro diaper in high school? Or you conned I'm saying it's not going to happen. I'm saying we get really nervous like all of his our kid going to be this kid who can't do this when the kid is too Three or five most of that shit is going to work itself out. Also, if you are a kid who's in high school, you have a diaper just lean into a drink a lot of beer me a man started histogram Channel you like John Belushi John Belushi guys, really know Jim is a shitty brother. John is the original this guy fucking Nate the millennial thinks Jim Belushi is the fucking key Belushi canine. He's like canine is the key text for the Belushi. A family, you know what Nate? No, I was right. I just was questioning by South. All right best way to deal with the toddler tantrum in public 1980 again, freak out freak the fuck out on the child just start immediately going threatening them physically you are being facetious way to deal with my favorite way perfectly my favorite ways to fucking walk away. Yeah. Guess what now? You're in the fucking there's a spotlight on you in the middle of the aisle of Target and I walked over. The fucking other I love Target and one of the aisles called toy while I went into the Vintage t-shirt. I want to get one of my hot ass t-shirts that everybody likes so much Pete. Hey, guess what now, you're standing there alone throwing a fit. They will follow you right through but I do think cold-shoulder it fuck those guys walk away. I love it. Let them fucking Peter out. Look, you gotta deal with some some busy bodies as they say to they still say that this day and age. Anybody who might be like, oh, you're being a shitty parent. You know, what fuck you Karen? You don't know my life. I mean you kind of do and you sort of nailed me Karen, but at the same time just go ask for the manager something. So Blitz afer's underscore human as an interesting question here. What do you do when the other parent I assume meaning? Your spouse is stressed about the same thing try and be positive I deal with like so so Mom and buried and I'm at Mom and buried Instagram has her own following We're under a lot of stress right now. Like I'm unemployed. We don't have enough income. We have a lot of issues where our kids have my eldest son has ADHD May youngest has a speech delay. She's going back to work. She has Ms. We got a lot of shit going on. Yeah, you try to support each other and be positive but I think when you're both stressed about the same thing that can be problematic because you're trying to lean on each other, but when you're both overwhelmed that can be a tough thing to do. I don't know if you have any advice on this one Pete. Yeah, I mean. I tend to be more just calm and you know, like take things in stride like big things too. Funny big things don't stress me out even even like so when I when you say when the other parent is stressed out about the same thing, I'm assuming you're talking about the bigger things. Yeah. Yeah, not like the is a kid going to eat or not or you know like that. Look, what do we do about the school play this week. Are we going to manage it? That'll be fine. Everything is We got it. Don't worry. It's going to be okay. Sometimes it's a tight tight rope because sometimes that's can be just kind of being like, yeah, don't worry about it. Don't worry about don't sweat the small stuff. But ultimately. Yeah, I'm always just kind of more like will be me kill your you don't have any what you're saying is you don't have any. Yeah. Thanks a lot of tribute a lot of the time I think is what I'm gathering a lot of the time I'm like, so what are you talking about? Like, yeah. Yes, you know it's not even on your radar. But I know what he's saying when you're stressed about the same thing. Yeah, you're saying I'm not stressed about the same things as her. That's what you so we've had some we've had some like our house was destroyed. Yeah. I remember can I mention the cause of it now, but it right and we basically, you know, I had to you know contain my wife from like right? Well, that's the Trevor right? You're both stressed and you Like you're both stress about the same thing. One of you is reacting more strongly than the other that's hot Hanna that's more what I was talking I deal with this with my wife where like she stresses out and she wants to dump her stress on me. And what I'm doing is I'm trying to hold my stress at Bay and when she dumps it on me, like that's a stress relief for her. But all it does is make it worse for me. Yeah. No, but it's the killer cycle I'm saying that's my role right? It's the take it. Yeah. Yeah the punching me. It's my role to but sometimes it's not I'm not I can't handle it. Sometimes is too. Much. So what we're saying Blitz average human is we don't know your fire. Yeah, James Larson 470 hardest part of parenting. That's a very broad question. But I'm going to say philosophically. I think the hardest thing about parenting for me is maintaining consistency feel like being consistent with your kids, whether it's bed time whether it's screen time, whether it's how you handled their discipline all that stuff. If you have a track record of kind of doing the same thing all the time with all the kids that goes a long Way and they expect it and them having the security of knowing what to expect is great. If if sometimes you let them closely but sometimes you don't and sometimes you give this, you know, some of you don't all that shit is all over the place that causes problems. I'm not consistent at all, which is where the route a lot of my problems are. That's the hardest thing for me is I feel like if we had if we estándar dies how we treat everything and you we responded everything the same every time we'd be in great shape, but I struggle with that. What about you? I think it's so similar but a little bit different. I think the hardest part for me is being on the same. Is my wife when it comes to things like that, so, you know, she look at a situation differently and in some cases, I feel that it can it tends to like depend. So if someone's not eating it's like you see Shades of Gray no other way around I'm talking about my way and I feel that my wife's more group Shades of Gray. So someone's acting you know, I'm a big kind of like hey, if you're like being a jerk, then you're going to get treated like a jerk kind of thing. Whereas my wife would be like, well, she's Tired or he's tired. So don't worry. Yeah same with me. How are we gonna know right every time you're not sometimes it's okay and I'll have come home out of the not their fault. They have this yours and you're never going to know I'll never know and then the other thing that's hard about parenting with someone else is sometimes they've already snapped and you have any yeah. Oh that's really for me. The hardest part is is just no understanding that the consistency thing I got And the dynamic with your spouse those people are things difficult for you. Everything's I'm always kind of like a mildly even Keel. Mildly grumpy D me. I don't like that part. It's annoying and I've been working actually that's kind of something I'm working on. So mmm Marissa's Thompson, which is 3M mrs. Thompson, and he potty training tips. You know, what know my my toddler shit on the floor a couple of days ago. You got a key shit on the floor a couple of days ago. So now I don't have any tips. I'm trying to get a handle on it. We were a little delayed with him because of the speech stuff and other stuff that we had going on. But now I'm definitely like every time I put them on there. I'm like the fucking just Jam this out my man. Yeah. We yeah consistency is important that she is key. I think if they the second they have a sign for potty. You know, you just you sit there. Yeah, because what will happen is sometimes they'll make they'll be dancing or whatever. They'll like me grabbing the crotch and then you like. Okay. Let's go to the potty. And then we'll be like I don't have to go. I don't even give a shit about number one and number two. I'm concerned about number one. We got down pass and number two where and sometimes you know, there's like times like they'll be times during the day where you know that they'll go behind the curtain, you know, the yeah, it looks like yeah our Shame by their bowel you like if you make is like that sometimes he's ashamed by his bowels. I will need that's what that's what need to sometimes they will sometimes hide behind the curtain over there and just heard so abhilash 18 said do you like the age gap between In your kids, what's the ideal age gap for siblings? So you have more of a standard age Gap where you have so my my two girls are two and a half years apart and then your and then fun and it's five years between oh no, it's not ya know. It's eight and five. So three different three between your next two kids. I have a night and will be 9 in in three weeks and a three and a half year old. So that's a five-and-a-half-year gap, which is a little bit less typical. Mostly, it's like two or three years between your kids. I'll say this if you can communicate to one of your kids while you have a brand-new baby. That's a big dip. That was huge. That's what I'm saying. Like you can be like if talking to a two-year-old is way different self-sufficiency and having a five-year-old when a baby was running, please go and he can understand go do this go watch TV. Go whatever we gotta change the baby or do whatever huge that's the challenges when that kid is in college. I'm going to have a you know, a thirteen-year-old there, you know, and I'm still you just behind right so, I don't know that they're I do like I did like the age Gap the Rivalry is starting to rear its head now that there's like the three and a half year old is old enough now that you can wrestle he wants appreciation. He yeah, he wants more attention. He's arguing for attention. Same toys video games. He can wrestle all that stuff. I don't know if there's an ideal it's different for everybody. I would again the being able to communicate in a way without having to pick them like if they can walk. Can be able to dress themselves big but you still didn't do that though. You didn't have a five-year Gap in order to benefit from that. No, but but my oldest was able to take care of you have three. So you have other problems maeglin Jensen says she tore her ACL two weeks ago and is having surgery soon and she has two kids and it sucks any injuries for you with kids. I haven't had any my wife Twisted her ankle really badly two years ago. And then last year did the same thing on a Like a trampoline park with my kids was on crutches both times. It was in a boot for one of them. Yeah, that's very problematic. I was still working at the time. So like her dealing with the kids tough that happen to you. Yeah, I have not been injured except for of course when I for slept on my shoulder and I tore my ACL there's 40. That's what happens. Yeah, just like immediately like just destroyed my shoulder by sleeping. I cool. No, but My wife yeah again, my wife had some if my wife ever their foot is hobbling around not easy to handle kids, especially if they're young. I don't know Megan just don't know how young your two kids are but also over the toddler when you're got it so can't keep up with that kid this point also having to deal with just the whole home situations tough when you're at work having kids in general sex, whether you're injured or not smell so our Doritos and acceptable toddler dinner on occasion 100% 100% Fed is best. Hashtag fetish best. You keep you keep saying that I think it's back is best when you put your talk, like when you put a baby to bed. It's back is not but fed is there can't be two Federal best is about if there's an argument over whether you know, listen to me like you're not on social media. It's a hashtag. It's when people argue over whether you should breastfeed or bottle feed the people who are like fuck you it doesn't matter as long as the kid is eating hashtag fat is bad, but I think that's men it's fall. So if somebody's a Federer fan this is Nell. Exactly. But that's right. Yeah, the FED is the best Alan Greenspan's really now look he was my favorite. I don't know where you stand stand firmly. So but I think the FED is best is specifically about bottle forces like breastfeeding breastfeeding. Yeah, but you said you didn't know what it was but that's different from burritos and develop. All right. Here's the legend. What do you do when your kid is overly sick and won't take the meds the doctor prescribes. He wants to be a good dad. But he doesn't want to seem like he's forcing meds down a kid's throat. Like he's in a psych ward like he's fucking nurse ratchet shit. Well, listen, if they if they have like antibiotics or the you know rarely or hopefully, they won't prescribe antibiotics too often. But if they do and your kids super You got it. They have to take it right well, and so sometimes those pills can be big and you just got to be like nah, it's Sarge get a suppository and fucking man. Let's get some gloves. What if you need to show the kid how it's done Ike Leggett a suppository and just go to YouTube and be like it here it is and they get a little you do a full thing 10 times and they get a tiny little ittle bit of it every time and it's a nightmare and it sucks or you most people put in a pacifier poke a hole in it. Most prescription for kids are like liquid. However, once your kids starts getting older they say it can come in pill form and if they're not used to taking pills, you gotta it takes a long time to get your treat them like dogs, you grind it up you put it in their food and then they don't eat the food and then you get angry and then the kid is still sick and it's just infuriating. They're both angry and they're sick and they loved the dog you didn't and the dog is eating the kids medicine. Then you're like is this a problem? I don't know as long as it's not chocolate. Why is this spider legs coming out of my dog's spider legs the thing look it up and we'll get into that later. All right. So Sarge also wants to know what age do kids give up naps. Can I say my three-and-a-half-year-old? He he he won't nap, but he still needs a nap. So like I can't nap am every day today. I put him in his crib because it used to be a daybed and we put the crib thing back up and he just climbs out of it wouldn't take the nap except at five o'clock every day. He fucking passes out and when your kid goes to bed at five it fucks you because he's gonna sleep in hit me up later. You know, you wake him up. No. Yeah. Yeah, keep it up and you put him to bed at 6 o'clock 100 percent. No, he will not sleep through the night. He'll get up at 3 and I'll be up he will be up what a son of a bitch. So he still needs a nap. He won't take it anymore were in the transition phase every kid is different. Some people say their kid gives up an apple. What you what time do you go to bed? Eight, he still gets up at 6:00 every day. I try to give him that movie. So I we go a shifted it to every other day pot. So you put them to bed at 6, we get up a file we put them to bed put them to bed at fucking six. He'll get up at 2:00 in the morning. We put them right at 80 gets up at 6:00. But so we've got rid of the nap except for like we try to do the every other day thing, but it's really hard to get him to nap. He's too much for fucking person. Right? He's like, I'm gonna do what I want. He climbs out of the crib is uncontrollable. You try to like put them down and leave them a lock the door that doesn't work and then he but he's still too tired to really function without a nap at least two days in a row and he's a monster by the end of the day. It really sucks. So, I don't know Sergeant I got nothing for you. You know what I bet. This is an advice podcast started, you know better you been listening from day one, right? So some a couple of New York City questions Surly Contreras be honest. Do you think you're cooler than everyone else because you live in New York City? Yes, definitely you 100% Yeah, we are cooler. I'm drowning in debt and it has been for my family. But yeah, there's a certain cachet that comes with living in New York. And in Brooklyn. Yeah fact, where do you live Sara Lee? It's good point. Basically, it is a good point but teeny 80 how often you run into celebs in New York City not often. It's a big city early I ran into who was the older sister on Roseanne. Oh Darlene yet know the older sister. Oh Becky. Do you mean Becky wait Roseanne sister? Darlene is the cool sister that sarcastic when Becky was the older one. So the original Becky not the one who ended up being on Scrubs the original Becky I ran into her. Well past her acting career. Yeah before the Roseanne reboot at the Gwen has the iguana's Yacht Club. She was given like psychic readings. No one who she was. I recognized her. Yeah, I ran into Harvey Keitel in an elevator every once in a while. I was at a couple of Broadway shows where you see Annette Bening like in the stands. I don't know not a ton. Oh my god. Do you know the most random one? I think I saw Casey neistat one time. He's a YouTube guy. That doesn't count. I know I just wanna move I'm depressed that even know who that was. If you did little charmer 80 if you didn't live in New York City, where would you choose is money an object? I don't know Hawaii. I've never been we've been away. No, I haven't my my sister lived there, but I haven't I like Philadelphia. I'm an East Coast guy. I like to Philly. I liked I visited Paris once I enjoyed it. I don't know that I could live overseas. All I could live in Barcelona all day. I've only been there for like a half a day so fun. I don't know anything man. Come on, dear. It's been teeny 80 do your kids go to private or public schools public fucking publi percent. All right, come on have time for this. All right, so we got a couple of questions that were for each of us, right? So I want to get into this one real quick. Check your kids at the door finding me in Macau check him out Instagram. Do you get annoyed mom and buried his riding your coattails and Instagram now? Oh my God, check your kids at the door. That's like a fucking softball. Do I get annoyed that Mom and buried his riding my coattails. Is no you know what I'm proud that she has carved out her own little corner of the web what I get annoyed at when I get annoyed at is when my friends Nate and Pete here are like wow, what is she? Oh, oh, oh almost 40,000 in just 6 months. Yeah. Guess what? Yeah. I got in trouble that and all my followers are going over to her. Right. Guess what? How about this? She doesn't take my last name when we get married, but she takes fucking buried in a split second. All right, you know what? Yeah, it does that so we have two kids but I boom I feel so no ideogram know what to answer that. No, I don't and I got a strike the rest of that from the record. Yeah. No my little charmer 80 have any crazy fans tried to stalk. Mike know I've been recognized maybe three or four times twice. Locally which is weird because International a lot of people don't understand like they don't necessarily see that I'm in Brooklyn or they don't check my bio or whatever. So I get a lot of questions. Like where are you from and always surprised that you can just look it says Brooklyn New York somebody in the playground of the shh mentee family, which is Jimmy and Felicia. They have recognized me in public and they are probably as close as it gets to stalkers. It's fairly unsettling. They're all up in my grill all the time. Those your only friends that you have there. Not friends, but yes, they're not actually friends with yes. I got recognized once in Pennsylvania when I was on vacation and once in DC but the person in DC didn't tell me about it till after the fact which is almost more weird. I saw you but I've never been stopped eating ice cream. You looked good Miss connection. Alright, so the mrs. Mommy says, how did you come up with the name dead and buried besides the obvious. There is no besides the obvious. It's just the obvious. It's a play on dead and buried yeah because I have kids in it. Does your social life I don't remember you start dad and 2010 when a few months before my first kid was born before York Yankees, like the June or July before he was born and I was like the the site had been writing for was dying and it was like I need I'm going to write something honest about parenting and I'm going to maintain the sense of humor that I've always had and you know, what's up on that works and I was like dead. I don't know dead man, walk-in I was Thinking this shit like that and I came up with that and Barrett and his fucking genius. Hmm and it still works. Thanks. Nate likes it. Wonderful, right? I love so the next one. I love this. Next one from Sarge does Pete do any of the work? I mean if he doesn't have social media, then you review all the comments your goddamn write a review all the comments. I transcribe them all because you can't copy and paste. I'm the talent. I bring all the followers because you don't have social. What do you do p it see? What do I do? I think I Found put this whole thing together. So all the equipment all the space the concept what else did I do? Yeah, everything everything that every everything except all the intangibles. Yeah, everything except for the followers. It means your payment. All right. Yeah, Pete. Here's a handful of questions for you one from go outside gate don't need does the audio of course and is our producer and it does everything that actually matters. I'm the talent and peeta's ah, I don't know. The organize your community organizer like Barack Obama. There you go. Congratulations. Thank you. Go outside kids ask. Why doesn't he have an accent? Well, it's been a long time my God and ever since I left. I was a wee lad growing up and you from Ireland now. Yeah, I can. Yeah, I don't I because my parents answer the question why don't have an accent because why does Madonna have an accent? I'm going to come back with a question. Okay little charmer 80s is this weird and to many other places in the UK besides London. I've been to Actually, that's a good question. Have I been to other places in the UK with so many other places? Not not a ton. So I lived in London for 18 years or know 25 years and then but never never really five years. Yeah. Oh you didn't you went to school here. That's four years out of that you weren't there until I was 30. That was my home. So what's relations man? I mean, that's where I go when I went home I would go to the mall. So why don't you An accent because fuck you. That's why check your kids at the door says what is Pete's favorite beer. Ooh, that's a good question. I like so I like pilsner but I like pilsner like a Chris six-point Chris. Like these pills fucking pilsners get the fuck out of here. They all taste the same. You know, what you know, what does taste all the same is fucking anything. That's an IPA is do you have your food with vinegar chips of it? Yeah. No, not really, but I do chips and fucking little malt vinegar. It's smashed that right now down my gullet. How long have you been married a little Tremor 80 wants to know me. I've been almost 15 This coming year 15 years 2020 will be 15. Why did you grow up in the UK though? And what school did I go to Y so my parent my dad was all right. So here's what happened. So my dad was in sales for a technology computer company back in the day and they offered a job. My dad's boss and your dad just got dragged along with them know the guy didn't take it. So your dad got your dad's boss job and it was supposed to be for 618 months and then it became 25 years not very good at understanding how things work. You know, what you need in the British typically aren't but he's not British. So he's my mom and my dad are both I choose to think of your parents as British, but I did well, you're so boring culture rapid-fire. All right, here we go. Greenstone 920 what guilty pleasure garbage TV shows do you like watch the watch when the kids aren't around? I know you like to watch like below deck. I don't want reality shows that your wife. I don't watch guilty pleasure shit all quality for me all the time. That's not true. Either 100% know you what's my trash? Lots of is glowing Netflix guilty pleasure. I don't think so. Yeah the Veronica Mars reboot and I think so. These are like the Lesser things that I watch the lesser than the Lesser things favorite film Pete. I don't know Nate Nate's got a favorite film our producer Nate. He loves talking about it every week. He brings it up. Up, its 100% true. Out of me. It's the thing. It's the thing that John Carpenter version of the thing not that original Howard Hawks thing from another place. Is that what you know what you know, what still I'm Rushmore still in the top Rushmore is number one. No, it's in the it's in the top. It's in the top but and that it's in the one that the one I can think of right now, but rushmore's be great. So when Kerry Wood House says favorite comedy movies, would you say Rushmore is one of them? Absolutely Caddyshack? Yes. Yeah, of course, whatever you like. Tommy like Flirting With Disaster is the Hidden Gem. One of my favorite comedy movies. I would check it out David o'russell most famous person you've ever met. I've met John Travolta. I've met Harvey Keitel. Do you know why this is a this is kind of weird. I have read Daniel. I've met lead singer spoon. I met Gwyneth Paltrow on September 11th, and we talked for actual September 11th or like September 11 2007 to September 11 2001. Why and we talked for like 20 minutes before or after after? What do you talk about? What the fuck was going on? And is she a everything was okay. This sounds like a lie to me know if this is true how she looked Awesome, and but I wasn't really looking we were all kind of in a daze. Where were you Greenwich Village white a bar? Nope on the street. We were walking in my friend. My she was like, let me ask this British guy what's going on friend's wife happened to be happen to know her sort of like not like well, but it just happened to know and they ever you companies for everyone. Everyone was on the street that day and I remember I wasn't here. I was just saw someone getting into this and just so happened that she Is there we were talking and yeah, I can't even remember what we were talking about. Other than just talking about just you remember. She look good. I mean she looked unbelievably good. Yeah favorite book Alec Baldwin. Did he punch you he did that would be quite a wonderful thing to happen. Favorite book anybody favorite book Lord of the Flies. Oh my God so good. I love from here. I'm of punishment and the brothers karamazov. I'm a big dust ASCII guy, which is absurd but it's true. They're very they're much easier to read than you actually think. I also really like the toy collector by James Gunn who went on to do the Guardians of the Galaxy movies, but it's not for everybody. So be careful. Okay, I recommend it to a friend near any was like be careful who you recommend that too because it's a little bit the wasp. Depraved I have read the Wasps Vector. Yeah favorite band. well I'm a cash man myself Johnny Cash. It's not a band. I know well, it doesn't matter. It does matter. The question was favorite band. My favorite artist doesn't matter. I'm gonna say favorite artist is Johnny Cash Johnny Cash is really your favorite artist. I don't believe that for a second. Although come to think of it. I've never heard you listen to any music. There you go. And so therefore an illusion my favorite current band of you I talk about all the time is spoon. I love Radiohead The Beatles Bob Dylan. Yeah Zeppelin. Laughs I love it laughs of shit. Well space Pune standard not spoon not spend. Thank you Nate. I appreciate that. First record. You bought I remember the first record. I stole I think was Milli Vanilli. I think I may have been bad with the bug The Fat Boys that boys think so. Remember the Fat Boys. I do run with disorderliness twist. Yeah. What does what was I thinking so I got for Christmas, but I had an older brother. So I was always listening to like whatever Beastie Boys. Yeah, I bought but the for that boys Beast Only listen to boys back when I was in 1990 when I was a freshman in high school. I got my first stereo or compact stereo had a fucking turntable on the top dual cassette players in a fucking CD player and I got three disks. I got three disks Paula Abdul Straight up or whatever. That fucking album was. Yep, Billy Joel The Bridge which has Downeaster Alexa and I think we didn't start the fire. I have no idea. Okay and Temple of the Dog which has As two good songs on it hunger strike and say hello to heaven, but I was a big Pearl Jam guy and I loved Eddie Vetter and the only song on the album that he was actually like really on was Hunger Strike. Great. Anyway, those are the first three discs. I remember I don't worry about all that bad. Some police records Sesame Street or Barney. I've never watched Barney. Did you never fuck Barney Sesame Street. You were big Barney guy. You look a little bit like Barney. Wow. Your deck is that from Sonia say you have all of a sudden Mike's good. So Sesame Street all the way. Come on Barney. Yeah. That's my Shih Tzu's classic farnese. Nonsense. Barney is like insipid. Yes, you are. Yeah. It's like I've seen Clips. Yeah. Yeah. So this is the that was from Sonia Colorado art moms who also asked Batman or Superman What do you guys got I'm more of a Batman myself. Batman is not super he doesn't have superpowers. So he's just fucking Rich. It's like it's like thinking Donald Trump is your favorite superhero. It doesn't make any sense. Listen to me. Superman is the best superhero of all time to me you son of a bitch Iron Man is also that's not the fucking question Iron Man makes you think you're right, but he makes some special shit. It seems super good point though. That's saying aren't but I didn't say our man is but nobody says arm is better than Superman get off. It goes Superman fucking high fighter man than everyone else. Get off your fucking high horse. And I have a high horse and get right back down to the shit in which you just landed yourself in but ape shitting yourself you who know what first one. I want to hear you scream into the most everyone here to here. But me no one gives a shit that much Batman is just wait for I will concede that Sonia Colorado art Mobb did not say who's your favorite superhero? She said, who do you prefer Batman or Superman Batman? I prefer super Miller then as not cooler. He has been all over some guy. Just come. To Earth and his head. Well, isn't that your heart stopping at the first half of that sentence? I was like, yeah it is. That's some pretty cool. Exactly. Did he his entire Clan it and family was destroyed including how's that for service including the Fortress? It's fucking genocide know Batman's parents were killed which he was an orphan happens to everybody but don't worry about men because here's every voice memo we've ever recorded. Hey, hey Batman Chris tours a billion dollars. You never have to worry. It's fucking white privileged. S what you run the world, you know and you always will despite your angst Alfred. He's not a scientist. He's a detective now for has been fairly represented the way there's an Alfred series coming up Batman has a fuck. Yeah. Batman has a butler the fucking nonsense. Superman is so much better. I'm not going to deny that Batman and said, holy shit the better recent movies. God damn it. What would your kids have been named if they were the opposite sex same? His name's no matter what I think Reagan Steve like we were going to name our kid Madeline if we had a girl. Okay, I we had a boy named but then we named our boy that name. So I do my boy cocktail of choice here a bourbon for me if it's talking to a cocktail. I don't really like old Fashions bourbon doesn't do great with like cocktails. There's not a lot of options. I can Crush many of vodka soda with a little lime. I could crush that too. But But I'd rather have something good. No, that's very good. You know, why because you can go for a long time with that's what she said toilet paper over or under if it's under unsubscribe. I don't really care. Why would you know if it's there? I'm happy. How about that? You were such a fucking jerk. Am I 15 EA t+ concert and vacation on your bucket list. I've seen most of the bands that I want to see in concert. I saw a fucking Led Zep. I saw Jimmy Page with the Black Crowes and they just played a bunch of Led Zeppelin deep cuts. It was fucking legit Chris Robinson the fucking nailed it. I mean the Beatles obviously, this is impossible. I'd like to see Vampire Weekend. Concert I don't I'd like to see the police I missed it. I missed the police when they came back for the kind of reunions thing at like Fenway and stuff. I missed that I'd be into that that's the case shit. I want to go to like a vacation with eg. You're like one of those like hardcore like tropical exotic tropical luxury places. Was it Bali? Yeah that kind of that kind of thing. That's what I'm into dudes vacation. I would say just Yeah, I don't necessarily not I wouldn't go on the just luxury one but I like the city's more. So I'll go like we switch we try to go back and forth you will City to the tourist thing. And then sometimes you do the tropical fight you but what city are you mrs. I never been to London what you just said. I'm not walking it back wanted to go to a luxury thing. I'm saying I want to go to culture and see culture be part of culture. And so that's a difference because we can hate your guts. You understand. What does the fam like on the Pizza we do pepperoni all across the board. No, no has to be it has to be just cheese. No salad. That's my son likes to say well, he doesn't want anything on the pizza any like, you know, this sometimes they'll put like a Basil Leaf or did you say guess what your five and there's four of us who like actually some flavor and then he's like guess what watch this. Yeah. Yeah, right. Oh shit. He's got all the power. We've nothing nerdy introverted mama. How did your sex life? Life change after kids they got interrupted more. It didn't it's actually never I've never had that happen of you. It didn't she didn't change you just haven't ever had sex again ever was have you ever been interrupted in the deed close? Yes close close, but we have had someone come to the door, but we we don't lock the door, but we'll put the like a obstacle in front of it. Like one of your other kids. They are anybody what we're doing. Fuck you door turn around face. 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All right, everybody. Welcome back to the best out of their day Fern here. I'm actually super excited about this episode because I'm actually going to learn a lot. I think most of the CrossFit Community would be very well served listening to this because what we are going to do is we are going to pull back the curtain on a lot of the courses their credentials how it all works what the hell's the difference between the level 1 level 2 level 3 level 4 and I have no better person here with me to do that than Amy Hollingsworth and she is also an affiliate.So she not only she's not only the certificate certification program manager for CrossFit H cube is she is an affiliate owner. And what's cool about our relationship is that we are literally on opposite coasts, but I have over the years had many of Amy's members who have made their way via the military from west coast East Coast who are now training at my gym, which is really really cool. So thank you. So I'm trying to think I've got at least four five over the years. That is so cool. Yeah, it's awesome. Good hands. Well, it's always it's always it's always refreshing because I know coming so Amy's husband. Dan Hollingsworth is also on some of our staff so I know what kind of coaching they got coming to our gym, and I know that they're going to get a very similar environment and coaching coming here. So it's always it's always a very easy transition for those folks but cool. So real quick. How does one? What is your background? Like, how do you become? Certification program manager for an entity like forget CrossFit like why does that work? That's a really interesting question because I came about this. I think you know, I'm not really sure how someone would do this in a general organization. But how I did this my background is in Allied Health Care and so I was a speech pathologist and I was the rehab manager for a local hospital system and I was responsible for 35 Staff including physical therapists occupational therapists. Speech Biologists and I also had a physician in the nursing staff from a wound clinic and part of one small aspect of my duties. I was helping my staff become, you know, get the their continuing education that is required for their licensure and one year. We the hospital wasn't doing super well and we had all of our continuing education benefits. Completely slashed so yeah, so my staff went from having nine hundred dollars a year to put towards continuing education to 0 and I had to do a ton of research to figure out what I was going to do to help these people and so I just started getting into the Weeds about what the actual requirements were and I learned a ton myself even having a background in, you know, knowing that I needed CEUs to maintain my licensure. I didn't really know a lot about the process. So I just became super focused on what things needed to And long story short, I because I knew so much about that process when when they we were standing up the level 3. I have reached out to Nicole and said hey, I hear you're doing this certification process and I know a lot about continuing professional development if there's an opportunity to become involved I'd like to do that. And so that was kind of my entry into it is I helped with the professional development piece of it and then just kind kind of fell into the accreditation piece and so that it kind of morphed into this whole process for me. This was back in 2012. Oh this was okay. So this is not recent. Yeah. Okay. Got it. Okay, I ask that because I believe Nicole's words were Amy's superpower is getting things a certified. Yeah, so I actually I think what you said was my superpowers getting things accredited. That's right. That's what it was. Yeah, exactly. And so, you know the it somewhat fell into my lap how how this all came to be but Because that through that process I was just understood how to figure out how to make how to meet a certain standard, you know, there's a problem standard and so I want to take what we're doing and ensure that we're meeting the standard sometimes exceeding the standard so that we can you know move forward basically. So on that note was like and feel free to talk about this at whatever level you want. Like, what is the like why was it so important about Like to to make these courses accredited like why like why should people understand that that's a big deal other than just like, I've got my level one and having it accredited actually does mean something versus it not being accredited. Yeah. I think there are two levels here one is accreditation is basically a voluntary process that an organization undertakes. So it's something we chose to do. And the reason you choose to get accredited as basically a validation to show the public. Like that, you're serious about having a high quality program. And then number two is there are certain occupational licensing organizations or you know, governments or entities that will require that certain credentials are accredited. So, you know, we're super fortunate in this in our industry that we haven't gone that route yet. And I know CrossFit HQ is taken multiple. Steps to fight any efforts to license the fitness industry, but you know, we're going to other organizations or other professions might not have that opportunity to to choose to do that. What's your what's your personal thoughts on licensure in general coming from a previous profession that did require licensing versus the fitness industry. I guess it's kind of depends on your occupation, but it is, you know, honestly, it's a slippery. a slope because I came from you know, physicians physical therapist let nurse like all of those folks are are licensed and by law and it's I think you know it depending on kind of if you get really philosophical about occupational licensing, you know, there's the thought that it's protects the public and then there's the thought that you know, it's somewhat of a rack it in that what it does is it It provides a barrier for other people to get into the space. And so I think there has to be a balance and what we have right now is a system that requires licensure for certain professions. And I think it's just their needs to their need. We need to have some sort of public awareness of just kind of the whole landscape of Licensing so that it doesn't get out of control. Yeah, the is there any I'm trying to think of how to ask this question. So it makes sense does being accredited help in any way shape or form in the event licensure does hit the fitness industry. Oh, absolutely. Okay. Absolutely. Yeah, because again, you know, it's something that the government is is used to looking at you know, if you look at the Department of Defense you could you could name a whole, you know slew of things that they require to be accredited whether it's Options or whether it's you know programs or you know, they credit products. So, you know, if the if a part that has to go into an airplane, you know those types of things and go the government is used to looking for that level of validation when it's looking at considering that kind of you know, obviously we don't weed a particularly in I say we CrossFit doesn't really want Since you're to come into the fitness industry, I just I know coaches is pretty adamant about that. But in the event that it did would this kind of how or where would this put, you know, the CrossFit trainers whether it's level 1 level 2 level 3 in kind of a better spot in the event that starts coming down the pipe and they're just like hey now you have to be license. Is that does that help us in any way? Well helps from the perspective of what would happen What likely would happen is? Licensure would say in order to become licensed. You need to have an accredited credential got it. Okay. Okay, that makes sense. The other thing that and I remember reading this in a couple of blogs that the rustles did you like while ago that they like the different governing bodies for accreditation. So CrossFit uses and Z so ans I but what are the other one? I don't yeah, there's somebody there so the what so we use and Z, which is American National standards Institute. Is that correct? Yeah, right. And then what's different about that one from some of the other ones so that the other main organization that other people will Fitness industry go through is the NCCA? Which okay. Now I'm going to mess this up. It's the Channel 4 de no I should look it up for you because I don't recall what that what the acronym stands for. But essentially there are National body so they only have credit. Programs in the US. Okay and C is actually a member of the international coordination Forum which is an international body that establishes standards. So when you have your accredited by an see your accredited to an international standard, okay, what's cool about that as they take subject matter experts from around the world and establish best practices. No problem. How are you? Good? Good, they establish standards based on you know, International considerations, which I think is amazing because especially for us because we have trainers all over the world. And so what we want to be able to do is take input from you know, what's important to other countries and you know, they're always going to be considerations that people nationally wouldn't okay. Okay. So now And then so typically what are most so like like I'm the only one the ones that come to mind or like the CPT or the cscs, like what's different about those are they accredited by different bodies? Like it's the stuff that funds the falls under like ACSM or nsca. You know what there is our yeah, they're all they're all accredited through the NCCA. Okay. Got it. Okay, so that that larger governing body is that's considered in the kind of is that Considered the anzi that's considered ending is that considered a better because it's International or is it just considered different? Well, we would say it's better. Yeah and would say that the requirements to meet the international standards are much more rigorous and much more challenging and so we would say it's actually easier to meet the NCCA standard which is why Morgan isn't organizations do that. That it's the national commission for certifying agencies. That's what the hottest. Okay. Yeah. I was like, I remember I remember there was two different ones and I just didn't have the information from the article on the tip of my tongue. But okay so do like I did the other thing. I don't think people understand is how long it is to make this happen like what the like how long it takes to get a program or a course accredited like it's not just I submitted online application they come back and they Say you're good there. It's a significant process that take that not only takes a long time to get online. But then takes a continuing effort to keep it accredited over the years. Yes. I mean, it's substantial and I think so. I came into the process. Like I said in 2012 Nicole had already done a tremendous amount of work to get this rolling and we were finally accredited in 2000. 15 is that right? That sounds right. Yeah, I should know this off the top of my head right? It's been a while this point though. I mean we got that. I'm pretty sure that's right. I'm almost positive. That's right actually and so, you know the process entails, you know, you've got to have so many you've got to complete a job task analysis. And that is you you survey members of the community and you What are the knowledge skills and abilities you need to do this job and then based on that you put together an example blueprint and then you have to you know, provide have people go through the examination on kind of like a beta test and then you have to analyze that data. So I mean it's there's so many steps to the process and not only is it a lot of time there's a tremendous amount of money, you know, we're hiring testing Consultants. We hire psychometrician is were hiring. Accreditation Consultants, they're auditing our work. They're telling us. Hey, you need to beef up your ability to do this this and this and it's real and then also, you know, we've got our peers from within the CrossFit community. So we had a lot of subject matter experts that came in and did the, you know kind of analyze the job task analysis and the exam the print and then and then actually the process for writing the exam, you know, that was all Guided by consultants and High level Professionals in the community and it was you know, it was a long arduous really rigorous process. And so I think that you know, we take a lot of pride in the product we put out it's it's an amazing in the exam itself is an amazing exam and it's no joke, you know, I think the people who you're good Dallas. Well not the reason I bring that up is because you know the specifically the You know folks outside of the CrossFit Community would give the level one specifically some flak and be like, oh, well, you took a weekend course and then take a test, you know to which my argument is always. Well, I don't have to take any, you know in person instruction to become a certified strength and conditioning specialist. Right? Like I can just literally as long as I have a degree I can register for the test and I can go take that test and I can pass or fail so I think there's just a misunderstanding about how all of this works. Now the function of all of it in the fitness industry, right, you know, and that actually is a really good segue to talk about the difference between education training and certification or just to follow up on what you just said, you know, I there is not there's nobody on seminar step. There's nobody from within each queue that said once you take that level 1 you have you know, everything you need to know about being a fitness trainer and you never need to do anything more. No, that's like exactly that is the complete opposite of what we end the weekend with where we say this Is literally your first step in this life long journey like you are you are not even close to being done. It's like it's like in a 24-hour day let the level one is you waking up and getting out of that like that is the first of the whole equation, you know, right? Yeah, and it's just it's kind of frustrating because you know that statement it's really kind of an ignorant statement and the flip side of that is Wyatt why it's so why it's such an important first step in you know, this, is that it Hands on you. Are you are actually doing something. It's a participatory experience. And I think that's why it sets up sets people up well for their for their journey and Fitness training, so so explain to people what the difference between like how like, what should they know like so people are always looking for continued education, whether it's like some sort of or whether it's an actual piece of paper or certificate or something. What should they understand about education versus Training versus certification. Okay, so education the way I like to think about it as kind of like the overarching theoretical. Information. So an example of that is an example of education is teaching people why it's important to squat. Okay training is I'm going to teach you the skill to train others how to squat. Okay, and then certification is I am going to assess you to determine if you've taken everything you've learned over the course of your profession and see if you can demonstrate competence. Okay. So the level one would Encompass what so at least Education and Training, but I know there I know there's a there's a there's a pretty definitive cut off between a certificate versus a certification correct and so a certification so certain so a certificate program is much different than a certification program and the level 1 and level 2 like you mentioned our certificate courses and a certificate course. Means that there is a set defined learning objectives, you are provided instruction that teach to those learning objectives and then you may or may not test to see if there's Mastery of those learning objectives. The seriously certificate course does not have to include a test does not have to got it. So that's so so in that regard across the level one is going above and beyond for a certificate course, correct, God and so Then just some you know, some basic things about certificates is that they typically do not issue. You know, there are there typically are no ongoing requirements as far as professional development, but they're typically are there's a validation period of validity period yes, like level one will choose five years correct or in another really good example of that is like CPR, right? You passed the test and in three or two years you need to repeat that training because it's only valid for two years. Yeah, we're not saying you didn't do the training or that the training is necessarily outdated. But what we're saying is in order to keep up with a certain level of skill, then we're saying you need to repeat it you like like we have a revalidation system for those resources. And I think that people understand because there are some people and again, they just don't know what they don't know. They think that CrossFit mandates that they come back every five years and that I don't CrossFit doesn't have any say-so in there. Like that's that is mandated in order to keep an accurate like an accredited course. Well, correct. So there's a validity period that is required. And so and that's an industry standard. That's that's just what high quality certificate programs do is they establish. The validity period is and they expect that you revisit that information and along that timeline. So that's yeah, that's not something that we pull out of thin air. Yeah the and I'm trying to think back in the timeline. I want to say the level 1 course obviously it was originally not tested and I want to say became tested and like 2011 and then accredited in 2015. I want to say that's like that's a very rough timeline, but that's I feel like actually it was a credit in a 2010. N oh, really? Okay. Yeah, this is yeah, we're going on nine years of credit Asian for the level one, but oh, that's right, but that's when okay, if I remember because that's when they moved away from if I'm not correct. If I'm correct. That's when they moved away from testing and getting results. I'm sorry analyst for up to us. I think is that when they moved from testing and getting on site. Might be I'm not the person I thought on that. Okay, I remember I just remember there was like a period in there where you had to your credential was no longer good. He was in that five-year period you had to you had like so long like because they had gone through the accreditation process. Yes, and that's exactly right. So you had in order to have the accredited credential you had your given that time frame. I think is important. So timeline is important here guys. So you need to think about the this has been a decade long process and is only can improve or time. So and we're going to talk a little bit about the level 2 and level 3 and then we'll kind of give you as much as we can and that is coming online. So but a level 3 I think is Five years old and that is Amy's that's kind of her swimming. So Amy kind of governs the certification or the program. She's a manager for program for that for the level 3 specifically so she we're going to get we're going to do a deep dive in level. But okay, so the yeah, so I think that I think that timeline is correct. We had like a really small window to get that like to get up to speed. Otherwise, your credential was no longer any good and then When trying to think so I came on staff in 2013 and that's when the I think that's when really when a lot of the kind of revisions and oversight really started to hit hard with regard to how the programming held up. The course was facilitated. We're like, there was some hard there's like some really hard wickets that you have to hit with regard to presenting course. Otherwise, you can lose that accreditation. Yeah. Absolutely. I mean, it's it the process is its yearly So every year we're submitting just a massive doc mounts of documentation to show that when you know that we continue to meet the standard and and then assessors say hey, these are the standards. You're not meeting you need to fix these and so that's you know, it's that kind of back and forth and the test is all in the test gets revised as well. So if anybody has taken a lot, of course you remember the when it gets briefed at test time they say hey, there are five test questions on here that don't count towards Or against you and so that's part of the accreditation process as well to make sure that the questions are appropriate in that overall picture of keeping a course accredited as well. So okay. Yeah, so there's a standard that speaks to having a fair and reliable exam and so we have to and you know, that's all part of how we how you manage reliability is constantly refreshing and it's a lot hot super hard with the level 1 because of the exposure. I mean, you know, the hundreds of thousands of people that take that exam that Just you know keep it keeps everybody on their toes with that whole test refresh reliability issue. But yeah, that's why there's like verbage and all of the like in the test briefing about like not discussing the test and all that stuff and then the the level to that's going through some changes. So that's going to change as far as that certificate, but I don't remember it. Does that is that course also accredited? I feel like I should know that but I like it is not. Okay and and it It's in its and not because that one is it's a kind of a unique course and I feel like that is has a lot to do with it. It is so it's harder standardized course like the level to the so, you know, it's it's just it's just a harder process. It's certainly something we've discussed and you know, we'll see down the road it might that might change and actually the change with the with the change in the new test that also might streamline that process but Right now I honestly don't know. Yeah, but what if you know what the decision for that is, so yeah. So for those of you who don't know this is not kind of secret information. This is already been released. I don't know what the timeline for that is or what the specifics are. But for the level to you, there will no longer be a test on site there will be a test that you can take after the course kind of I guess like the easiest way to kind of like you would take the judges course, you know. So for the for the open, but but it would be for your level 2 so that will no longer be tested on site. I'll be tested post taking the course to get that certificate. So that's going to be a change. So it's not going back to what it was before. It's kind of like an intermediate between those two we're used to just take a level 2 and it was more participatory than anything. But yeah, so for the standard for those of you that have not taken your level to the reason that when is probably again in my limited knowledge more difficult to get accredited. Is because of the uniqueness of the course meaning most of that is personalized feedback to the coaches that come in and take that course. So be incredibly difficult to standardize individual feedback across however, many tens of hundreds of thousands of athletes that are coming through the level to course, correct. So so now when you transition I want to get into a little bit which is your kind of specific swim Lane in this whole process, which is your Baby is the level 3. So for those of you that have not sat for the level 3 it is no joke, right. It is a full-fledged for our test. And if I tell people all the time do not go into that. Thinking that it's going to go. Well like it is a very difficult test most. I don't know what the numbers are but like the failure rate is not low. It's pretty significant, which I think is a testament to the test. Yeah, and we don't we don't actually publish the pass rate. I think what we're waiting for in regards to that as just a few more years of data. Yeah. It was so it was accredited in the fall 2015, you know. The the seminar staff actually took that the exam is part of the beta. Yep, you're before so it's really still a pretty young exam. And so we want to get make sure we've got a lot of really good Data before we start pointing that out to the public but you know, the past rate is the pass rate as far as it doesn't really impact individuals per se because yeah, you know whether or not someone else past has no impact on whether the next person is going to pass because it's not You know, it's based on there's a there's an absolute cut score and you either meet the cut score or you don't is can you tell like you know, how many people have taken it? Can you release that information? Like how many people have actually gone through that course? Oh, well, it's not a course. So the example. Yeah, so that's a good place to start actually have taken that test and then we can talk about the difference between the course and what makes it a certification. Okay, so, oh gosh have you don't know that's fine. But I don't know how many people have taken the exam because my the data that I get includes people who have retaken it as well, but I can tell you I can tell you there are approximately. 1100 almost 1200 people who have who are Level 3 is he CFT level 300 people who have the credential so that's probably I mean that's definitely less than 1% of CrossFit trainers out. There. It is. Yeah, like significantly less than 1% because I want to say that that want that CrossFit level one trainers like something to the tune of 120 to 150. A hundred weight. Okay. That sounds great to me as well. So yeah, I mean if you talk of if you look at percentages within the the credentialed staff of in CrossFit or the credentialed professionals within CrossFit, yeah, it's a really small percentage. You know, of course, we'd like to see that grow and but but the reality is it's not a it's not a pig sign up check in the box show up, you know, if you've got a pulse you'll pass and you know you go on your Merry way. It's a serious professional. Prudential yeah, so so let's talk about that. So what makes that level three different right? So what's the difference between me your ticket course and what now we've moved into the realm of like I hold a certification. Okay. So certification means assessment of basically of the breadth of a Professional Knowledge base. So the knowledge skills and abilities that you need to be a certain professional and so it's not based on. On any coursework it's not based on any specific items. It's basically this whole broad view of do you mean a minimum level of Competency to actually do this job? So it's very Broad in scope. That's why I always I always that's why I always struggle when people ask me like what should I study for the level 3 and I'm like everything I like it's really tough in that regard because there's no one place. It's not like hey, if you read through this book or this like it's it is really a very very broad assessment of one's coaching skills in general. So like technical knowledge with a great programming nutrition your visual perspicuity with regard to seeing movement like all of that stuff right now, but that said there is a there's a Content outline that is that forms the exam blueprint, right? So, you know you go you can look at how much how many questions are going to be involved with coaching or how many fans are going to be involved with classroom management that kind of thing in the exam questions are written to the content outline meaning if you see a knowledge skill or ability. That's that's described in the content outline. We're going to ask you a question that you should be able to apply if you are competent in that knowledge base you should be able to apply that knowledge and answer that question properly and that is that's yet. No, it makes perfect sense to me and this is where I This is where I think people get hung up because in a lot of instances on trying to like I couldn't give away any of the questions if I wanted to because I don't remember because I took it five years ago, but it's much less like you know, it the answers are it is a multiple choice test, but they do all of the questions require a very broad comprehension of the topic. So a lot of it is not just like you know is this This the right hand or the left hand is like the most bait like it's like do you understand like the overarching principle and how it would be applied in the kind of this scenario? That's what I that's what I think makes it very challenging. Yeah, and that's exactly right. So, you know, we also provide some online study materials and what we say is the questions aren't the exam items are taken from the study materials what we're providing the study materials for is if you if you look at the content outline and let's say it here. Let me give you an example so content outline. Your programming is you should be able to adjust programming based on performance and goals. Okay, so that that's a pretty broad Super Bra. Yeah Super Bra. So maybe we have some study materials that address programming for different performance levels different goal levels different ability levels those kinds of things. So the study materials are there to help you develop the ability to apply. That knowledge to that particular exam item. Yeah, the the guidance I generally give people is if you are not in a an affiliate actively coaching and instructing CrossFit on on almost a daily basis. You should probably not sit for that test. Yeah, I mean practical experience coaching is critical. It's absolutely critical. So there's yeah and I think that's that's so so a lot of people and I think the you know, Which is strange because we're five years into this but I think people are now really starting to understand the value of the level 3 because and if you kind of think about that, nobody really got it five years ago. There was like, okay cool. It's another course that crossfit's going to make money on blah blah blah, which is probably not the case. But but this as CrossFit matures as the affiliate Community amateurs as coaches mature because realistically Lee like there's still a fairly new kind of environment that we're all operating in relative to Fitness like overall that is now a separator like now there are people will start looking for people who have a level 3 because it it is very much a clear delineation between somebody's knowledge and skill set versus the next person and I think Nicole said this, you know as she does, you know, very very succinctly is absent of any Information about this person. It tells me that they know what they're talking about, right, you know, like outside of the fact that like are they an asshole or we'll all of that other stuff but it does tell me that they have like a significant amount of knowledge with regard to CrossFit in its entirety. Yeah. Absolutely. I mean, it's just it's somewhat it's what it speaks to is someone who's taken that next level to show that they're competent and to show that they're serious. it's about you know, maintaining professional credential that is going to insist that they have ongoing professional development and ongoing coaching hours and it, you know, just puts them in a level of you know, as if we were licensed they're taking that voluntary step to maintain the standard of if we were license while we're not yeah, so on that note, so that's actually a good little like kind of pivot there which is the how to see Use fit into this whole game. So this is not once you take the level 3. There's kind of two ways. You can keep their credential one. I can do my CEUs in that timeframe. But if I don't then I would have to resit for that exam. Correct, correct? Yeah. So the the / the research part of the standard is you have to have established we certification requirements in our research education requirements are CEUs ongoing coaching hours. Maintenance of your CPR and and CEUs so for you know, continue education CEUs continuing education units, some people call them credit some people call them, you know, whatever we call them CEUs. It basically is just a standard of measurement for our spent in ongoing education. So what are the what are the what's the hours required for to maintain the credential for the flowers? Yeah. Hours every three years with yards every three years. So nothing crazy got to get roughly 15 hours of CEUs annually in order to maintain your credential, correct. And then how many our what's the hours requirement of coaching, you know, I don't know what that is actually 300 300 got it. Okay, so not an incredible amount, but you want to know something interesting when we launched the credential it was 900. For maintenance. Yes, that's more than its required to sit for the exam. Yeah, is it still with his 700 750 750 to if you decide your path one. Yeah and 50s. Yeah, so there's two paths or 600 talk about that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so to finish this episode we launched it at night 900 hours every three years and then we quickly realized that was just not. Hannibal and so it's so hot it is a lot it is a lot. And so we change that to 300. I think it's a lot more reasonable and but you know, there's some if you're again holding a professional credential there's no reason you can't maintain a hundred contact hours per year of coaching. But okay so path One path to per credit are so accreditation standards that we adhere to require that you have an alternative pathway from your own instruction. So we can't require someone to take CrossFit training in order to be eligible for this exam. So one pathway is you can get your level on your level 2 and then you have 750 hours of training others utilizing the cross it methodology Pathway to is you can have 1500 hours of strength and conditioning coaching at the Professional level. So an example of that is your the strength coach for the baseball team at UCLA. Okay, or you order the strength coach for the Seattle Seahawks? Okay. Don't that type of thing got it. And then those do they still have different names like it wasn't one though the CFL three and then the other one was CC ft. Or am I saying that right? No so actually so here. This is a good part of clarification as well. So the actual credential is called. Uh CeCe ft the certified Cross Fit trainer that is if that acronym is the actual accredited certification. Okay, the level 3 is a CrossFit specific designation. It's gotten me get the people who have passed have come up have passed the exam coming through pathway one got it. So you're if you're the strength coach and you apply the a pathway to you don't have a CrossFit level 3, don't you just love a CTF to okay? Yeah, okay. Yeah, I thought that was interesting and I even though like somebody like it would be interesting like I would I'd be curious how many people and I'm you probably don't even have this information have gone through Pathway to like I just don't know. I don't know how successful you would be on the sitting for that exam. If you were not had not come through the theater the other the other pathway. Yeah, we yeah, it's still a pretty small number. You know, I don't know. I haven't separated out that pass rate. But you know, it's it is why I think that I think there's avenues for both people to be successful. So yeah, but yeah, I mean, it's just it's just part of you know, because can you imagine what a racket that is you develop a certification and you say the only way you can get this as if you take all of my courses here. Yeah, absolutely and people would be like, yeah, you just want more money and it's just like that and that would be Valid gripe. So when I saw that I was like, oh that's that's a and 1500 hours in the strength and conditioning. That's it. This is significant. That's not chump change and in the rationale behind that is okay. So you don't have their has what they ask for some sort of equivalency and you know, the reality is that that's a really tough thing to decide but you know, we have it. We have a board of subject matter experts that consider all of these things and what we looked at was well people coming from the strength conditioning Community. Maybe they should have additional hours in lieu of any type of training requirements. And so, you know, it is what it is. It's been reviewed. It's been approved and here we are five years later, you know, four and a half years later. But yeah, the the issue is that you have to give people the opportunity to have an alternate pathway the and the real takeaway. I would really want people to walk away with is the amount of time resources money that CrossFit is putting behind like making this pipeline legitimate like far more legitimate than most. If not any other trainer credentials that you could have because of the requirement. I mean somebody who has a level 1 level 2, you know level 3 and then we can chat a little bit about the level for like that is a significant journey and tells me a lot. A lot about you as a professional, you know, which is not the case if I'm just going to you know, like if you if you have the CPT, which is a certified personal trainer through ACE. I mean, you can just take that test like that's the book you study the book and you take the test where you don't study and you could just don't like I took the Cs, you know folder so I took the cscs. I did not study one second for that test. I look like I was able to apply because I have a degree so my degree is in economics, by the way. So I register for the test. I went took the test. So there's that's two-part test. So that is I forget what they're called. I'm going to butcher these names but it one is like basically the practical application and the other one is like applied sciences or something of that nature Breeze through the practical application and then failed the applied sciences portion because that one that portion of the test is very specific to the study material, which I had not studied because they want very specific answers and for somebody who's looking For a little bit more specificity on that if they're talking about caloric needs for an athlete like they want a specific answer based on the athletes in the parameters that they gave you which in large part would not fall in line with what we believe would be calorically required for an athlete and and macro distribution as well. So that's the kind of stuff. We're I am going to sit for it and take it again, but I'm gonna have to crack a book for that so that because I'm going to have to study to that test in order to pass the test and Actually just hit on a really important information of why licensure itself is really scary because the potential for licensure is that there would be somebody that is not a subject matter expert making decisions about that exam question needing to be is it their nutrition standards are nutrition standards. Someone else's nutrition standards and and and really what the answer should be. Is a nutrition standard and you know what, I mean, it's kind of like having a state-sponsored religion. We don't want anyone or state picking one, right? We want like really just Freedom right? No matter matter what you believe or don't believe you get to pick not we're not going to tell you so so actually that's like she a good kind of like little mini discussion is why I should CrossFit trainers actually forget that trainers in general. Should they be a little bit weary of licensure in the fitness industry. Like if you want to elaborate more a little bit more along the lines of that what you were just kind of talking about like why should we be worried about that? Well, you should be worried because the I think traditionally the people bought that are driving those driving that whole process have potentially their own interest in mind where they, you know other drafts that we've seen in certain states have said you need to be accredited by this body or you need to have a credential from this organization where they're specifying. Who gets to be the purveyor of of our profession that's total and utter bullshit. Yeah, and if you want to do a deeper dive into that, I think it's keeping Fitness legal is that now the name of the blog I believe so, I mean those guys have covered this that I could never even you know summarize for you. But I mean, it's you know, it's the issue is if you if you look at what the Goal, if somebody's goal is to prevent someone else from having a share in the market. Then you really need to be concerned that maybe they don't have your best interest at heart. Yeah. I think the big takeaway is like to fold that's like hey, it is somewhat of a racket to limit Market competition, but more importantly I think there's a confusion generally on the consumer and that having a license means that like, there's some sort of like specific professional. Element behind that person which is not the case like in a lot of those instances. It means I just paid for the license like without any sort of credential behind it. Meaning. I just had this piece of paper that means I'm licensed to do this thing, but it doesn't speak to it's not based on professional development and qualifications reach to be at a certain level within a specific industry, which I think is the bigger takeaway is that being license and the way that it's trying to come down via legislation isn't not going. You mean that somebody is good at what they do correcto. So cool. That's a lot. So what else if anything should people know about level 1 level 2 or just that kind of certification process in general. Well, I think you know what I always recommend is you need to start with your goals. What are your goals? Right and if your goals are to receive the highest quality Education and Training You go and you take your level one if your goals are then to advance your you know, your your training your ability to train others and you go in your take your level 2. Alright, if your next goal is to kind of commit to a higher level of professional standard. Then you decide you're going to sit for your level for the CFT examination. And then part of that process is ongoing professional development and maintaining that certification. Asian so, you know, it's all about what what are your goals? What do you want to do? And then you decide where to go from there? Yeah, and then I think the the burning question on a very small percentage of the population because only those people less than 1% is even qualified to potentially get there the follow-on kind of the last credential would be the level 4 so we can't give you specific dates or too much on that but I know there's always been like the level 4 has been like this myth that kind of floats around. Like a little it's the yellow corn right important and I think I think it does warrant a discussion about kind of like why that has been this kind of cloud if you will that kind of sits up there and because of the uniqueness of it and you think about certifications credentials to my knowledge. I this what CrossFit is trying to do with a level 4 has literally never been done before. Yeah, I mean Mean, so it's pretty epic. And you know, we're anxious to release it. We really are but like everything CrossFit does you know we're doing it the right way we're engaging in a process that people don't even know can't even comprehend that goes into standing up and a credential like that. And so the level 4 is also going to be a certification meaning and have eligibility requirements. It's going to toss test a broad range of knowledge skills and abilities. It's going to have Vacation requirements with ongoing professional development all of those things. So it fits in that certification box. And so the other part of that is that we have to have a reliable fair and reliable exam and so building that's the part that I think is sticky the people don't understand is like the so there's the there's the course but then the way in a coal is explaining it was and I'm not going to give away anything that is super specific but the accredited tours Within In the organization have to go through a pretty significant kind of want to say a creditor. Is mean or assessors is probably a better word for that have to go through a pretty nauseating process to make sure that that assessment process is is pretty standardized across because so you can imagine you know, if I if there's whatever we'll just use the whole CrossFit similar stuff. There's let's just say there was 200 level one and level two trainers total and then let's say Picked I'm just making these numbers up. So don't hold me to these guys. Let's say you picked 10 of them out of there who are going to be level for assessors. Those four are those 10 people would have to have a very reliable consistent means of assessment across the board regardless of who they were assessing or where or what combination they were put in so that really is the struggle and currently that is is dying to be sorted out. So I mean, yeah, so I mean the the whole the whole evaluation development so that we refer to the level the the CCF T is an examination. We refer to the level for the C CFC as an evaluation. So for the evaluation, you know, the evaluation has to be written and then it has to be you know, like you said the Raiders will have to be trained to give that assessment and then that all of that piece has to be an I used by testing Consultants psychometricians all of that kind of stuff and it's this continuous process and it's like I've said it's super rigorous and it's super time-consuming. And so what we're doing is putting putting into play the really important steps laying the foundation really strong foundation for I mean a pretty Kick-Ass evaluation. It's going to mean it's going to be just kind of like, I think when the CCF tea came out and people, you know, everyone's excited they ration don't know. Like oh shit, you know, you know, it's not I would say any certification in general that CrossFit puts out is not to be rushed into lightly. It's a serious Cannon. It's a serious Endeavor. You have to you have to know why you're doing it and have you know, it's not just a check in the box. It's not just because you want a bunch of letters behind your name. It's because you take the process seriously. down, you know approach it with a little bit of respect because I mean to be blunt, you know the shit. You need to know your shit your shit. Yeah. Yeah, and I think I think the frustration is people are anxious to do it. However, it could because the reality is like CrossFit could have put it together and put it on the street and and we could do this process and we could we could slap level 4 and people that would be you know, the organization deemed worthy but it wouldn't be legitimized by an outside party which I think is why they're taking You kind of the long slow approach to this so that long-term 10 15 20 years from now like that credential actually means something it's not I got up. I got a sticker, you know and says, I'm loving the T-shirt, right? You know, honestly, I that's a really good assessment of it. And I think that one of the things that's most exciting for me is the feedback that I see that people who undertake this process and I have a feeling it's going to be the same. Rim see the same feedback for the level for that people say I learned so much and I grew as a coach during this process. So whether even people who failed have come back and say I failed and I'm disappointed but I'm going to do it again because I've learned so much. I become a better Coach. So you know who the real winners are is the whole Community because what they're getting is more experience more confident. A competent and more just aware coaches out there that are that are really serving this community. And to me that's that's pretty phenomenal. Yeah. I mean, I don't I can't actually can't think of a better way to end this podcast. I think those are great great summation of like why this process is important why CrossFit and and HQ is spending so much time trying to make sure that this, you know came online stays online and then they follow oh and courses will do the same thing. So awesome. I think that was a good kind of clarification on a lot of kind of weird little Miss misunderstandings about the whole process and the courses in general. So thank you. I learned something. Yeah, it was great. Absolutely. If you guys have questions about in this stuff just hit us up in the DM and we'll be happy to hand those off to a me and like I said like this is kind of straight from you know the head shut up. Our about what's going on why it is the way it is and I think you guys should be excited. So the level 4 is coming it's coming it's going to happen. But if you have not taken your level 3 and you want to pursue your professional to them as a coach, I highly recommend the level 3, but you know as Amy and I have both stated it is not something to be taken lightly. You should spend some time with your face in a book. You should spend some time coaching and athletes on the floor and and be prepared for a rigorous. You know test of your knowledge, so anything else no, I just think thanks for having me and awesome. It's great. Listen, if I know you guys are mad because we never send any people to Washington, but nobody goes from Virginia Beach to Washington. 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On today’s episode, Fern sits down with Amy Hollingsworth, the Certification Program Manager for Crossfit and owners Kitsap Crossfit with her husband, Dan. Fern and Amy discuss the differences between The Levels 1, 2, 3 and the soon to be released level 4. Nicole Carroll says that “Amy’s  superpower is getting things a credited.”  Amy has been fundamental when it comes to The Level 3 being certified. She talks us through how it’s professional credential with less than 1% of Crossfit Credentialed professional having it. She takes a deep dive into why you really do need to know your stuff for this exam and why it demands a lot from you. Also, Amy remind us how much The Level 3 is still in its early days with it came out in 2015. Part of that is it’s always getting refreshed and update, so it reflects the standard of the coaches taking it. Amy’s answers some questions around The Level 4, like it is real and why it’s taking it’s time to be released. The simple answer is like the all things Crossfit wants to do it right and make sure it means something not just in the Crossfit world be everywhere. Check out the extra content about this episode on besthouroftheirday.com Rate/subscribe in Apple Podcasts! Find us on Instagram: @besthouroftheirday + @thejasonackerman Check out our website - besthouroftheirday.com - to learn more about our private coaches development group.