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This podcast is brought to you and made possible by generous financial aid from Peter kanzler k --a n z l-- e-- r-- you can buy his Amazon books at your favorite Amazon Branch, for example, the original texts of lock Hobbs and the US Constitution of Pennsylvania put together into one book for only $15. Thanks for listening. Hello. Welcome to psychology to 30. Personality and it's transformations. It's called that because there are two things that you have to take into account when you're thinking about personality and one of those is how personality stays the same across time and that's really what gives you your identity and what allows you to identify other people. And then also how personality changes. We're going to discuss both those things. from a very large number of perspectives to find out all the information that you need for the course. All you have to do is type my name into browser and you'll get my home page, which is the page that you see here on the left. There's a table of contents that says current courses and then up here. There's also a table of contents that lists the courses and this one's this one. This is the introductory page here. And then you can get to the course page like this. I don't really like Blackboard. So I'm going to use this instead. So this is easy to get to and everything you need to know about. The course should be here. So we'll start with the very straightforward things. The first is there's there's two sources for reading in this course and one is a paperback book, which is called introduction to personality and it's Transformations. They're both are chapters that I selected from a classic personality textbook that does a very good job of covering. Classic personality theorists although not such a good job of covering more recent work. The book was published in 1982 Freud hasn't changed much since 1982, but there has been an awful lot of Personality research. And so that brings us to the second source of readings in the second source of readings is actually this webpage. So if you go down the webpage to lecture topics and readings you'll see in the third column a whole sequence of Papers now you have to pay attention to this lectures and reading table more than anything else because it tells you what's going on for the for the duration of the course and tell you what the lectures are. So today, for example, it's January 7th. And so we're doing an introduction and overview. Maybe I can make that a little bigger. and next week You know on on Thursday we start with this reading it's called three forms of meaning in the management of complexity and all you have to use to get that reading is click on it. And then you get that reading which is a fairly straightforward process. You would probably like the lectures better if you do the readings beforehand. That's it isn't necessary. You can do this any way you want but you'll get more out of the course. I think if you do that. There's 2 Tas for this course. They're also listed here. One is Vanessa Ghosh. And the other is Victor Swift. Their availability is listed here. So Vanessa is available from 4:45 to 5:45 on Thursdays. And Victor is an 8 is available from 350 to 450. Tuesday's their office offices are listed there as are their email addresses so that you can get in touch with them. My office hours are Wednesday from 4:15 to 5:45. Now the way I handle that is outside my office, which is office four zero four six, which is also listed there. There are a number of sign-up sheets that I'm just going to post on the wall do that right after class is they're printed out. There's a number of sign-up sheets that are listed on the wall. And your best bet is just to take a 15 minute slot. Don't take a whole bunch of them because the student Teacher ratio in this class is obviously quite high and so just take one for now if you would and maybe if you have a meeting with me, you can check back later to see if there's time for another one. I would like to have more time than that available. But 90 minutes is what I can spare this semester, so Anyways, they'll be up today. Now in terms of the mechanics of the course, it's pretty straightforward. There's no tricks. There's two midterms. The first one is February 6th and the second one. His March 13th, and there's also a final and the midterm in the finals essentially makeup 75% of the course. It's actually seventy seven point five percent of the course, but and then there's two writing assignments. The first writing assignment is an essay and the essay has a number of different due dates. So if you're on the website, you can go to writing assignments and then you'll see all these different topics that you can choose from now if you click on one of these You get to this little sign up sheet here and then you can put in your name and your email address and that signs you up for that topic and as you can see 10 people can sign up for each topic. So if you're in love with a particular topic, then you should sign up sooner rather than later. The due dates fall a little after the course content that's related to that topic. So it'll be the next class after the lectures on that topic and and I've spread them out across the year so that the Tas don't die of frustration. And so that you guys can get your essays back with a reasonable degree of promptness. Hopefully within a week, although let's say two weeks, which seems reasonable. so the second writing exercise which is worth 7.5% The essays worth 15% is a personality self analysis. It's part of a suite of programs that I designed called the self authoring sweet and I can show you those. And it's itself authoring.com and I'll show you this video at some point, but for now. There's information here on these programs, but I'll give you the codes that username and password so that you can complete these and what you'll be asked to do. Is to complete an exercise that's based on a fig five model of adjectives description of personality. So since about 1930 statisticians have been studying the structure of language at a sentence level and add an adjective level to determine what's the underlying correlational structure of descriptive phrases as they apply to human beings. So for example, if you're happy you're If that might not be surprising, but the fact that those two things are tightly connected was one of the things that was discovered by the factor analytic processes that led to the development of the Big Five in the big five there roughly five traits as the name might indicate extraversion, which is a positive emotion trade. Neuroticism which is a negative emotion trade agreeableness, which is warmth and empathy compassion. The other side of that is kind of a harsh coldness, I guess. Openness, which is both intelligence and creativity and conscientiousness which is industriousness and orderliness. Now there are virtues so to speak and faults associated with all of those Dimensions so you can be to extroverted which makes you rather impulsive and if you're very extroverted it's more difficult to get good grades and University because you're always out having fun with your friends and partying and that might be good in that it will help you develop a fairly extensive social network, which is Useful thing if you're associated with people who are useful for social networking purposes, but it can really interfere with your ability to sit by yourself and study. If you're conscientious that's a good predictor of academic success because conscientious people do what they say they're going to do and they seem to suffer shame and self-disgust and self-contempt and guilt and so on if they don't if you get too conscientious though, you can get quite Barks Denim and orderly and narrow and orderliness by the way seems to be associated with right-wing political views and when it's extreme, it starts to get repressive. And so the point of all this is that there are five traits and they have positive and negative aspects especially at the extremes and these programs are set up first of all, so that you'll see a series of adjectives that are Universal descriptors. So it's basically a small set of adjectives a hundred the kind of cover. Each dimension of Personality with a reasonable degree of comprehensiveness. Then you'll be asked to pick which ones you think are particularly relevant to you and then you'll be asked to narrow that final list in one half of the exercise a list that represents your virtues and then in the other half of the exercise a list that represents your faults, then you'll be asked to describe a time when not virtue played a positive role for you or when that fault interfered with you. And then you'll be asked to describe how you might capitalize on that virtue in the future or perhaps bring that fault under control in the future and it turns out that writing exercises of this sort are very practically useful. They have a variety of positive effects one of which seems to be an increase in academic performance and our research so far as indicated that that Increase can be quite substantial among with similar programs at McGill. We raise the academic performance of struggling University students by 25% So whole grade point and that business school in Holland where this is being studied in some depth. We've studied two thousand people. They actually did the future authoring program note the present authoring program, which is the one you're going to do and we improve their Overall academic achievement by about 30 percent as well turns out that articulating yourself is an extraordinary useful thing to do and you could actually you could also think about that in a more comprehensive way. As the goal of say Psychotherapy and personality transformation a lot of what's Happening as you mature and develop as a personality. Is that what you are? Whatever that means. I guess it's your behaviors and your potential and I don't know exactly what will cancel is but your behaviors and your potential can be increasingly organized at a high level of Consciousness articulated at a higher level of Consciousness and articulation is a funny word it because partly it means joint articulation. I know your hands are very articulated. And that's why you can do a lot of things with them and hands and speech are very tightly related. Just why most people speech centers are in the same hemisphere as their dominant hand. Anyways, articulating yourself makes you able to do many more things with yourself and it also seems to quell your negative emotion part because it's clarifying you, you know, the more you leave things muddy in your life. The less defined things are around you the more active your stress. Response systems are because if things are murky and undefined your stress systems basically assume that there are alligators and snakes and predators hiding in all that fog and Gloom and that you're in a very dangerous environment. But if you clarify that with careful attention and articulation, you can clear away the fog in the Gloom and that only leaves you with your actual problems, which once defined carefully you might find manageable and an example, that would be you know, when you go into your room and you haven't done your homework, A while and there's piles of papers piling up or maybe there's piles of junk on your computer doesn't really matter and you'll have a very powerfull tendency to avoid that not even to look at it, right? You don't even want to look at it because it's and that's chaos. It's sort of growing in your environment and there's a specific part of your brain which evolved to detect snakes that deals with such little chaotic piles of undone business. And the more those that are around you psychologically or physically the or negative emotion you experience the less hope you experience and the larger your stress response chronically and that's not good because if your stress response is chronically elevated that suppresses your immune logical function. It makes you overweight predisposes you to diabetes and cancer. It makes you age faster. It increases the probability that you'll have anxiety disorders and depression. It's a bad thing. So so clarifying who you are and what you're doing is a good thing unless you want all those other things to happen, which seems highly improbable. Although people desire some very strange things. And that's part of what we'll talk about as this course progresses Okay, so If you want to find out about the course, you can go to Jordan be Peterson.com. And the courses are listed there. You can just type my name in a search engine and you'll find the courses. This course is site 2:30. Obviously, I mentioned that there's a reading book which you have to buy. The rest of the readings are online. The order that you do that reading is listed on the syllabus. You also have to do two assignments and the essay which is only 750 words by the way, but don't That fool you because it's 750 word s it can be very difficult to write the essay and then this personality analysis. Now the personality analysis. All you have to do is show it to the TA to show them that you completed it because we don't want to know what you wrote down. And we want to encourage you to write down things that you know that you'd like to write down that are likely private less. You want to broadcast your faults on Facebook, which I suppose you could do after you complete the exercise. So the reason I I want you to do that. What was three weeks since right one is well it'll familiarize you more with standard models of Personality because you have to apply them to yourself. And so then you'll understand yourself better too. So that's a good thing. And then it's also a quasi clinical intervention in some of you because they're in this course are no doubt interested in Clinical Psychology. And so this will give you a flavor of the sorts of things that a clinical psychologist might do except computer is doing it and then which turns out to be fine. I'm people will actually often tell computers things that they wouldn't tell people because the computer isn't error what you've done particularly not yet. Anyways, and the third reason is that while it should be good for you and you know education should be good for you. That's actually the purpose of Education right? It's supposed to make you more healthy mentally and physically that's supposed to make you more productive. And so that's what education is for and that's what this class is for. So that's what we're aiming at. Out so then there's two exams two midterms 25% each approximately there are multiple choice. I'll post sample questions so that you'll know what they're like, they're not tricky people get worried about exams and rightly. So but these aren't tricky exams. If you do the readings and you come to the class the probability is quite high that you'll do at least reasonably. Well, I don't ask you to memorize dates and that sort of thing I try to keep Out of conceptual level and so the questions on the multiple choice tests are usually conceptual questions where I try to get you to take something that you've learned to read and to apply it to the solving of a problem even though they're in standard multiple choice format. There's there's usually not a tremendous number of questions. So you'll be able to complete the exams in the time allowed without any trouble so Now, let's see. I should tell you guys who should take this course and who shouldn't take it because you need to know that since it's your first day. And so this course has two or three aspects one aspect is is scientific that really occupies the last half of the course, I would say and in the purely scientific part of the course. For the purely research oriented element of the course. The first part is scientific to because science has more science is more than mirror testing of hypotheses. Anyways, the second half of the course deals essentially with trait Theory and with psychobiology. So what I want to do is to tell you about The basic dimensions of human variability and also how those are represented in the brain so that you can make a connection and the bottom so that you can make a connection between the theories and the biological and called you two substrates and it's not sort of a unifying attempt. So you got to be interested not if you want to take this course and and have it go well for you. So there's some psychometrics that's the science of measurement. There's a little bit of statistics. There's a reasonable amount of neuropsychology and some of its complex. Some of it isn't but I try to only pick things. That I don't try to only pick things to discuss with you that are relevant at three levels of analysis. I want them to be personally relevant so that they tell you something about yourself. I want them to be intellectually relevant to but I also want them to be culturally relevant so that not all when you walk away from the study not only do, you know something more about you and your friends, but hopefully you're a better functioning creature in the broader social milieu, so So everything is picked to that end including the psychobiological or neuropsychological material and the trait material. There's a fairly hemp heavy emphasis on Clinical issues the first half of the course deals with classic theorists of personality and all the classic personally theorists were clinicians. Now the U of T at present doesn't have a clinical program. Although they're starting to get up in Scarborough, but down here. It's a George there's not many clinicians. I think I'm probably the only one I don't know why they let me in but it is and But the emphasis on clinician that the emphasis of clinicians is to four right one is well, who is the person or what is the person but more importantly who could the person be or what should they be? And that's a very strange thing about people right? I mean if you have a cat you don't really sit around thinking what could this cat be because it's a cat and you know, if it has Offspring they're going to be cats and in the thousand years, they're still going to be just cats but people Well, we're strange in ways that are virtually on come in comprehensible and we're not only what we are but we're also what we could be and in many cases especially for people of your age. You're way more what you could be that what you are. And so focusing on what you could be is an extremely important thing to do. In fact, there's plenty of research and some of its associated with the writing exercises that I told you about earlier that if you make efforts to Define, Who you could be, you know in a way that you find interesting because he might as well shape yourself into something that you want to be that that increases the efficiency with which we work substantially and also makes you a better person by reasonable measures the better sort of these happier and healthier and you know more acceptable or at least less repulsive to other people. So the clinical material is very useful for that and the clinical material is grounded. Added in observation. So it's kind of like ethology ethology is the study of animal behavior, but not in the lab. It's observational study. A lot of the clinical stuff has this observation quality to it. It's heavily influenced by philosophy if you're not interested in ideas. This is a bad course for you because it's it's a course that primarily concentrates on ideas. I want them to have practical utility because why not you might as well put constraints on the butt, but the Focus is ideas. And so when we discuss the clinical material clinical personality material will discuss the philosophical background of that and we'll do the same thing when we get to the cycle biological material. So you ought to decide if you're not interested in philosophical ideas, then this is a bag course because you're going to be stuck with with those sorts of things half the time so, And there's some old there's some elements of the course. They're almost straight philosophy because some of the clinical schools, especially those that were developed in the 1950s, like existential psychology are very tightly associated with fields of philosophy existentialism and phenomenology and that cakes and so I think that sort of thing is very much worth learning because it's part of the history of ideas and you should know something about it. It's also very interesting. It's very useful to know something about it. to be a clinical psychologist because you should know a fair bit about a lot of things if you're going to be a clinical psychologist, but even if you're interested in research Science is halfpipe. Hypothesis. Testing by the other half is I bought this is Generation. That's the most important hat. You got to think up an idea before you can test it and you know, most of what you'll learn in a methods class has nothing to do with generating research hypotheses. They just tell you to do that first generate your research hypotheses. It's like yeah, that's the big problem right there. The rest is just for Machinery right with just grind it through this process and the way you generate research I bought This is by knowing something and so you have to learn a lot in order to generate a research hypothesis that well first. It someone hasn't already else hasn't already thought of in disproved which is highly probable. It's actually depressing to gather more and more knowledge because what you find is that it everyone's already thought of everything and most of your ideas are stupid. So, yeah, so anyways now Let's see. Oh, yes. Here's another reason not to take the course. There's a lot of reading. And there's less reading it was last year. I took out one paper that was too hard. I think it was too hard for people even though it was a great paper and but I read it left arrested and so If you're looking for a course with the Light reading load this isn't that course because this has a heavy reading load now on the upside for your essays. I don't require you to read outside of the course. You can use the material that's in the course to write the S. So it's self-contained but there's a lot of reading and it's not easy reading and partly because a lot of it is original papers all the stuff that's listed on the web is original papers. And then the textbook to it's a tough textbook. It's mostly text. Doesn't have a lot of pictures in it has no stories at all about celebrities think that's the only text left doesn't have stories about celebrities in it. So If you're if you're taking a tough course semester and you don't have a lot of time to read then well, this isn't a course like that. It's a course where there's an awful lot to read. And the thing about the reading too is that you have to think about it, you know, like how fast you can read something seems to be a function of how complicated the words are that would be function one, but the second function seems to be something like how many Diaz there are per paragraph or maybe per page. There are lots of ideas per paragraph in these readings. That's why I picked them. So you can't just zip through them. You have to think about them. Well, that's a good thing because if you do read them, you'll know a lot more at the end of the class than you did at the beginning of the class and you'll find that that knowledge is extremely useful. I truly believe that this Village could change your life. Well, that's what it was generated for. Right? It's generated by clinicians and the personality psychologists. That's what there route there to do and they're all out there to take unrevealed potential that could be anything and to hammer it and shape it into something that's hard and pure and solid and you have to do a lot of reading and writing but they be to get to a point like that but it really beats the hell out of mucking about in The Merc and unfortunately, that's how many people live and I've seen the consequences of that. And if you spend the next 30 years like that, you will be old by the time you're 50 and so I wouldn't recommend that so it's worth doing the work. It's really worth. So, let's take a look now. Well first I'll ask you if there are any questions. Any questions? Yes. Oh, yeah, I'll get the username and passwords up to you pretty quick. So I just had to make contact with the guy designed it with to get the code so I won't be long. Can you buy the book and I hope so, that's the plan some of you have purchased it? Perhaps okay, so it appears that you can there's also maybe some old texts from right schlock floating about you can use those to you can get a good deal on them. You can often get them secondhand on Amazon for like 20 bucks. If you look the old text is fine except that it has more chapters in it. But if you pay attention careful attention to the syllabus, that won't be a problem. Because all the chapters are numbered and all you have to do is match the number on the syllabus to the number in the book. So other questions. Okay, so let's take a look at what we're going to learn about. lecture 2 so you can think of human knowledge in some ways. It is branching into two components. You can take those two components as knowledge about the subjective world and knowledge about the objective world. That's one way of thinking about it. The other way you could think about it is knowledge about what things are and knowledge about what to do. Now. Most of what you learn in university is knowledge about what things are but that's only half of what you need to know because you really need to know what you should go about and do this is a real problem for human beings because we're always trying to fit having to think of what we should be doing next and like that's the fundamental question of life, which is well, what should I do next or what should I do tomorrow? What should I do next week or next month or next year? Because that's another problem about being human. Is that not only do we have to figure out what to do next but we can also see the future or multiple Futures even and then we have to determine what those Futures could be and how to avoid others that we don't want to have come into existence at all. And then how to configure our Behavior so that as we navigate through the potential Futures we land up more or less somewhere we want and not somewhere. We really don't want and so that's a real problem. What that that's an existential problem. In fact and what that means is that we need knowledge about the subjective and about the behavioral. It's part of potential. How do you unravel yourself across time now? It's proved very difficult for human beings to formalize that kind of knowledge. Now, we formalized scientific knowledge, which is more knowledge about what things are in about the object of world the scientific method, especially the research method formalizes our knowledge about the object of world and about what it's made of but it doesn't get as much insight into what to do about that. All it seems to do actually is increase our power to Two things but not necessarily to inform us as to the direction in which that power should be exerted and you don't really have to look any farther than the 20th century. If you want historical proof of that because as people got more and more powerful so that we could sit in this lovely classroom and all be warm and cozy. Well, it's terrible outside. We also learned how to kill each other with unprecedented. Gusto and potency and so science is enabled us on both sides and that's how it is good or bad. What the behavioral side? There's a tradition of knowledge and it's an ancient tradition and it's grounded in forms of knowledge that are likely tens of thousands of years old or maybe even older than that and those are forms of knowledge that are essentially mythological or religious. And the reason that I start with those is first of all religious systems are in many ways theories of personality and there's very tight associations between certain religions in certain fields of Psychology, so Judaism has been identified fairly heavily with Freud and Christianity with Carl Jung's work. And also with Carl Rogers work Rogers was actually a seminarian and a lot of the ideas about what a person could be. So these are ideas about the ideal are derived from religious and mythological substrates because they have to be derived from somewhere. Right? And so you think we'll how do people get their ideas about what's possible or what should be part of its through storytelling that's Why you go to movies right you go there to see what people could be and you enact all those people on the screen with your body's. Well, it's happening and you have a little neuro system that does that so it puts you right in the action. It's an amazing ability amazing human ability. And the reason we're so attracted to that sort of thing is because we want to know what to do with ourselves and there's a very large body of very complex information that pertains to that one of the things that Carl Jung said was that what were the things he believed was that That form of knowledge have developed quite explicitly up to about the time of the Renaissance or about to the time of bacon and Descartes who founded and Galileo who basically founded the scientific method and then we sort of stopped developing that kind of knowledge and the knowledge of the objective world just leaped ahead and like exponentially and so that's left us with the same moral intelligence. We had in the 1700s, but with 21st century technology, not necessarily a good thing so part of What we're doing in a sense is rescuing the past, you know in my other class sometimes I show Pinocchio the movie how many of you seen Pinocchio I'll I should be raised. So yeah, it's like the most popular animated movie ever made seconds. I think that the line is more popular in there's one scene in Pinocchio where Pinocchio rescues his father from a whale you may remember that you may notice that you watch that and that was perfectly fine. As far as you were concerned by that you could watch a puppet. It swim with a cricket to the bottom of the ocean and rescue his father from a whale it's like, okay. So the first thing you might think about is how in the world could you sit there and swallow that and not even notice that you were doing something as absurd and bizarre as any ritual you can possibly imagine. Well, it's it's partly because we're very attracted to narrative and narratives have structured narratives are about behavior and they have a deep structure and they have a deep symbolic. Structure. So for example the whale in Pinocchio wasn't just any ordinary way over because if you remember it also breathe the smoke and fire. It's very strange behavior for a whale and not make even a whale that's strange and that made it a dragon and so parking what that meant was the Pinocchio was rescuing his father from a dragon. That's a very old story. In fact, that story is the oldest story that we have in written form. It's a variant of a story that was told by the Ian's boat 5000 years ago, so Part of that story means why you should rescue your father. Well from what well from the murky chaos in which your culture is embedded know you guys are all inheritors of Rich cultural traditions in oh, no, those aren't just words those cultural Traditions Orient you they keep you sane and if they're desiccated and broken up and dad in archaic and lying in the bottom of the chaos, then you better get some back out of there because without them you're going to live Shallow and difficult lives and that's a bad idea. So starting with the historical perspectives, we can situate ourselves in maybe some hundreds of thousands of years of History. Maybe even longer I can tell you in one manner might be longer. It turns out that part of the reason that we can see so well, which we can human beings can really see well way better than almost any other animal except hunting birds hunting birds can see better than us. But other than that, it's us and that's especially rare among mammals and particularly rare among primates. So you might ask yourself. Well, why can we see so well, well, it turns out that part of the reason is that we co-evolved with predatory snakes. So predatory snakes are newer than lizards by the way, even though you wouldn't think so and there's a woman at UCLA in England is Bell who was thinking why do people see so well and so she went she had to snake detection Theory because she worked with primates. She knew they could really see the sort of camouflage patterns that snake has snakes have an emotion that they make the really good at detecting that plus human beings are very afraid of snakes. Innately plus if you take chimpanzees who've never seen a snake and you sort of The snake in their cage assuming there in the cage, then they jump to the top of the cage and because they're not happy about that snake, but then they look at it and then if they're out in the jungle jungle around and they see a big snake then they have a specific sort of cry they make and they'll stand there for like nine hours watching a big snake making this noise and all the other chimps depending on how afraid they are. Also come and look at the snake. And so yeah is they want to know what that sneaks up to you? And that's what we want to know too. We want to know what the snakes are up to that's for sure and the circuit that we developed to detect snakes the visual circuit is partly what gives us such tremendous Acuity of vision part of the way Isabel figured that out with by correlating primate visual Acuity with the print and its development over evolutionary time with the prevalence of predatory snakes in that geographical region, and she found that there was a very high correlation so we can see sharply partly because we're always looking for snakes and you know that pile of I'm done homework in your in your in your room that's snakes. As far as the part of your brain developed to deal with snakes is concerned. And so, you know, if you leave a lot of things undone around you then all you've got is sinks and your their target and so the that's no way to live. And so that whale down there at the bottom of the ocean. That's kind of a variant of a snake. It's a dragon even though it's a whale breathes fire, right? So let's call it a dragon because that's what it is. The idea that you have to rescue something from the dragon. It's an unbelievably old story. And so that's partly what we're going to be doing at the beginning of this course. We're going to be going way back into the murk and mock the prehistory trying to understand what the hell we've been up to for the last 60 million years because that's when our tree-dwelling ancestors first really started to deal with predatory snakes and my suspicions are that you're all evolved from one of those little treated. Well you Rats the first one who figured out that if you drop the snake a stick on a snake it would probably run away. So that's what we've been doing for 60 million years throwing sticks at snakes. So that's the first lecture and You'll see why when you do the reading why this is broadly relevant because it also Accounts at least in part for the human tendency to demonize people who aren't like us because it turns out that we use the same circuit that we would use to handle predatory reptiles. Let's say we use that circuit to First process people who are strange to us and it makes sense because people who are strange to us who come from different cultures and who represent different ideals. Unbelievably dangerous even though they might also be unbelievably beneficial, you know, the poor Native Americans they came out and they shook hands with the Europeans and then 95% of them died the next 150 years, right? They all died in place. They died of smallpox. They died of measles measles just wipe them out. By the time the pilgrims came to North America, which is, you know, fairly early in North American European history 95% of the Indians were already dead. They were welcomed to the Europeans because they didn't have any people get your crops off. So meeting someone who's strange is no trivial thing and even if they don't poison me with some horrible Illness, but come along with some cockamamie idea like Marxism and you'll be Chinese and then it'll be the 20th century and a hundred million of the you will die. It's very useful to understand the Deep mythological structures that we live inside and their relationship to our brain and our body really gives you insight into how people function it's helpful. The next lecture is on heroic and shamanic initiations and that brings us closer to the present from say 60 million years ago. It's more like 50,000 years ago. There are shamanic Traditions all over the world and the shaman is kind of a precursor. cursor to though to the to the to the man of intelligence the man of intellect the man of culture and he sort of a doctor and a scientist and a priest all wrapped up into one thing and he's often the person who's in charge of culture many in many shamanic societies. The shaman has a vocabulary vocabulary that vastly exceeds that of his peers and that's because he's being taunted in his initiatory process so that the culture within which that particular people survives can be transmitted down the generations with very little error people can remember things that are transmitted verbally in preliterate cultures with unbelievable accuracy and the shamanic initiation is very interesting the heroic initiation as well are very interesting processes because they involve They involve death and rebirth and death and rebirth is more or less equivalent to change. So here's something to think about. So if there's a mosquito and it wants to make another mosquito it basically lays 10,000 eggs, right and then all those eggs hatch and 9999 of those little mosquitoes die and then one mosquito makes it and lays another ten thousand eight. So it's pretty costly rep reductive strategy. Right? But so the way the mosquito works is that it knows that the world is chaotic and dangerous and it has no idea how to survive in that. So it just makes a whole pile of mosquitoes and it hopes that one of the most Through and each of those mosquitoes is a tiny bit different from each other mosquito in terms of time and place and also genetic structure and maybe one's got some little advantage that allows it to survive, but it's costly right. It's 999999 to 1. Otherwise, we'd be covered with mosquitoes. So so the way the mosquito deals with the fact that you can't figure out what's going on is by producing lawyers of mosquitoes, but the way people figure out what's going on is by producing lots of ideas and ideas are the relationship of ideas to you and the external world is the same as The relationship of animals to the environment. So there's a philosopher Alfred North Whitehead who said human beings evolved to let their ideas die instead of them. Now. That's a smart way of thinking is it means that you can parse off a little sub personality of yourself, maybe it's angry subpersonality or sad sub facility or an irritated or resentful or you know, those aren't exactly ideas. They're more like little spirits that are partly you. Kind of stupid because they've only got one direction but there's still variants of you and maybe you can present one of those to someone which you might do if you're dating someone and you want to sue me, you still do that. If you're dating someone and you want to impress them, maybe you spin off some little variance of yourself that you think is particularly attractive probably won't work. I doubt it'll work and if it doesn't work, well, then you can get all heartbroken and let it die. And then maybe the next one you spin-off will be a little more, you know together. And so that's how people Progress it progressed by dying and coming back to life at different levels. Hey, I mean maybe you're just taking some little ratty mistake. And so you can let it go and your only shame momentarily and it's only a little pain when that circuit dies, or maybe it's your whole damn personality that has to go, you know, when that happens to people when they encounter a catastrophe of one form or another so that might happen to someone Close to You dies or if you lose a limb or if you get an illness or you know, any of the horrible things that plague the Very deep levels, which might mean pretty much all of you has to go and maybe you'll actually die. But if you don't well you can let go what's holding you back and maybe that's your old self and then you can come back to life and I'll tell you it's a lot better to do that voluntarily before it's necessary then involuntarily in a moment of Crisis and I would say in some ways. That's the lesson of Clinical Psychology confront the damn snakes first. Because it's really hard to get out of their bellies. What if they've eaten so the shaman is shamanic initiation is our death and rebirth initiations. They formalize that they're often the rituals themselves are often accompanied by the use of different classes of hallucinogens, which for one reason or another seem to facilitate at least symbolically the process of transformation from life to death and back to life. So, Dramatisations of the process by which people learn you learn something to really learn some presupposition that you had before that has to crumble and then the new information comes in and you can build a new self around it, but that's a painful process and that's part of why people stick to their ideas or their past selves. You know, what? You could stick to your past self and that would be fine except that everything is changing around you all the time. And so if you don't change then you just get more and more outdated your more and more Arcane none of your presuppositions work anymore. And so you're like you're like this Rusty machine clanking around running into things all the time. And your life is very miserable because you don't fit the environment anymore. And so when I talk about personality on its Transformations something that you could ask yourself which is in some way the most The mental question you can ask yourself is are you the thing that stays the same or are you the thing that changes and you know the thing that changes can live in a lot more places, and so that's worth thinking about but the cost is well when you change your diet a little bit and that's painful or maybe you die a lot and that's really painful. So if you ever wonder why people don't change That's part of the reason then we the next section is on constructivism. We're going to talk mostly about PSAs actually developmental psychologist. I like Piaget a lot because Piaget had an interesting question is which is it's not the genetic question or an environmental question. And you know, you might think those are the only two kinds of questions. There are when you think about the hell, but it's not exactly that here's why. It's not clear to what degree you're specified by your genes. So here's one possibility. So let's say that encoded in your genetic structure our whole variety of potential use like who knows how many? Oh the potential use that the entire history of mankind has been able to weave into their genetic structure. They're all sitting down there encoded in your genes and then that very complex structure. That's Rife with potential. Pops out into a particular environment and then it interacts with that environment like a program interacts with the computer and gathers information of one form or another it takes that information and the material that it incorporates and builds the real you out of that and that's what Piaget was study. He is trying to figure out how is a child go about taking itself from you know, this thing that just lays there squats basically to something that's you know, you go on YouTube and you see If people can do what human beings can do it's bloody unbelievable. I mean, we're sold ridiculously versatile people can do things that are just impossible in every Dimension know intellectually physically spiritually, it can even eat hot dogs at a rate that you can hardly imagine. You know, we're very variable and Piaget was very interested in trying to figure out how all of that embodies variability to come out of this little package of potential at the Getting of life. It's very interesting. So that's constructivism. How does the individual construct him or herself from nothing in some ways from birth forward? And so PSJA especially his discussion of isn't developed. It's sort of like the analysis of the unfolding of a human being it because people really do one full to you know, because babies when they're born they have crunched up like this and so they have to stretch themselves out and you know get going and I was Piaget's concern so So so that's that's good and then we go from there to depth psychology. You might think about that more psychoanalysis now people. People aren't very happy generally speaking about psychoanalytic theory, especially if their research oriented, but there's a variety of reasons for that and one of them is they don't know anything about it. That would be the first weeks and then people are often tempted to denigrate anything. They don't understand. It's actually kind of hard to understand psychoanalytic. Thank you. It's in fact, it's very hard. And the other thing about scientists and research scientist who are engaged in psychological work is there actually usually fairly mentally healthy, you know what least they're healthy enough to be scientists which you know, you got to be pretty healthy to be a scientist to go to be disciplined. You got to be able to get up and go to work every day. You have to be able to think about complex things. You have to be very orderly and persistent, you know, and so if there's a lot of Demand on you if you're a scientific researcher, so the problem is scientific. Just the hang around with other scientific researchers, then they think that's what human beings are like and human beings are nothing like scientific researchers there a tiny minority of the population and there is bizarre as like albino buffalo and to think of them as representative of human beings is insane. First of all, most of them have IQs in the 99th percentile. So it's like why bother even thinking about them normal human beings are very weird, especially the ones that don't function well, And not functioning. Well is a bottomless pit that that's why hell is a bottomless pit by because not functioning. Well, it's a bottomless pit and if you're dealing with people who aren't functioning, well one of the most mysterious things is how they should take a situation this god-awful beyond your worst imaginings and then think of three or four creative ways to make it worse and if you're dealing with someone like that and you do if you're a clinician if you're dealing with someone like that good luck with your Behavioral. Interventions, man, that's like throwing sticks at an elephant. You're just going to get anywhere and one of the ways I want to demonstrate this to you. I'm going to show you a film called crumb crumbs a harsh film, but it's the best documentary by the way of an underground comic named Robert crumb who's actually quite a genius even though he's perverse in precisely the Freudian ways that are interesting and his brothers are even worse. So I'll walk you through. Through that because I can't figure out any other way of giving you a taste of what Freudian psychopathologies like, it's not pretty and that's the other reason that sort of clean minded research scientists. Don't like psychoanalytic thinking because it's really in many ways. It deals with the most disgusting elements of human behavior. And so it's not even that Pleasant to think about and then there's you know, who will talk about after Freud and Jung is so strange. Makes Freud look normal and you know believed that. As I mentioned earlier believe that there is a universal grammar of ethics of morality. It's not arbitrary. It's not relative, you know in the University's the theory has been at least since the 1960's that one person's ethics is as good as another person and there's no way of distinguishing reliably between them. Well, I happen to think that's absolute nonsense. It's also extremely dangerous nonsense, and I also think there's no evidence for it whatsoever because we now know A lot about human universals which are aspects of human behavior that are constant across all cultures and there are a lot of them. There are a lot of the other thing is there's just not that many ways that half-mad primates can gather together in large groups and live productively. It's not easy like you think of all the civilization work that went into allowing all you people from all these different cultures to sit here in peace and comfort. It's mind-boggling if you think think there's a million ways to do that. Well think again, maybe there's one way to do that, you know, and we do it well enough. So here we are and no one's being knifed. So So that's you and he's profound beyond belief really beyond belief. So that's those guys aren't dealt with unconscious. No, it's not interesting to think about what the unconscious means and so I can give you a bit of a hint. It's it's partly. The information that's coded in your behavior. So for example, there are a lot of things that you can do with your body that you don't know how you do like, you don't know how you walk for example, or how you ride a bike or how you talk you can talk, but you don't know how you talk. You just move your mouth. I know but you get the point right? You have no conscious apprehension whatsoever of the micro details that are necessary to allow you to move your mouth. So there's a lot of information encoded in you that you don't have Conscious access to and it's not only physiologically encode it's also culturally encoded because you've been targeted and shaped by the interactions of all the people you've ever encountered and they in turn by all the people they've ever encountered including their ancestors. So you're the product of this unbelievably complex multi-generational exchange of information that in some ways is all about how to make you acceptable to the public. And there's only certain ways you can be acceptable to the public. You know, you have to be relatively clean. For example, at least in our society. You can't be too boring or you won't have any friends. You also can't be too exciting. You know, you can't be too violent. You can't be too empty headed unless you're associating with people who like to feel Superior, you know, there's there's we put a lot of Demands on each other in terms of what constitutes acceptability let alone ideal. We're always telling each other about both of those what's acceptable what's ideal every interaction you have shapes you into An approximation of acceptable and ideal and that's all encoded in you to it's encoded in your behavior. It's also encoded in your imagination and that's why you go to a movie and you can instantly identify the hero and the villain which is of course the first thing you do when you go to a movie because otherwise you can't make sense out of it. And so that encoding prior to articulation. That's all the unconscious and that's what the psychoanalyst we're interested in analyzing. Now the cognitive Neuroscience have kind of got there too. But there are stairs are deluded into thinking that what's in your head is it? Formation and then it's ideas. And those are sort of cold and dead things and your hand is not full of ideas and information. It's full of devils and snakes and the psychoanalyst knew that and by that I mean you're alive and so are your sub components and all your little sub personalities and I'll just ideas. They see a thing. I hear it feel it have AIDS as you know, for example when you get possessed by anger the end can be entirely destructive. I want to bring down the person. I love half an hour later. You think what the hell was I thinking about like? Yeah, no kidding. Well, you weren't thinking you're just possessed by a little subpersonality. That's what the psychoanalysts were interested in subpersonalities fantasies. next we go to that humanists and the existentialist now, they're interesting because they come out the problem of what's wrong with people from a kind of a Universalist perspective now for Freud if you weren't sick you were healthy and that seems obvious because we think you can make a clear distinction between second healthy, but the existentialists they didn't want any of that their hypothesis was If you're human. You're sick. There's no way out of it. And the reason you're sick in a sense and unlike any other animal is that life itself poses a paradoxical problem to you partly because you're so conscious and because you're self-conscious and actually a sequence of paradoxical problems a how do you live When You're vulnerable and Mortal that's a rough one because you might say well why should I boil it all or who's going to know anyways in the Thousand Years or a million years or Why is there suffering or how do you go on in the face of Cruelty? Those are questions that grip at people's soul and crush it and they're not a consequence of mental illness. It's like what how long should it take you to recover if your whole family is wiped out in a car accident? What's healthy? Well, we don't know the answer to that. It's like should you ever recover maybe if you were half ways empathic would just kill you? You know, a lot of times people can't recover from their brief because they're guilty. They think how can I how can I live when all those people close to me died? And they died unfairly. That's an existential problem. And then so the there's one class which is vulnerability and mortality. Everyone's got that stereo. So, how do you deal with that hard question second-class a problem. Well, everybody's always evaluating all this and you're never good enough so what that means is that you're always in an insufficient relationship with Society in history no matter how good you get It's not good enough. And so history itself as well as culture always faces you as a judge. And so that's the second category of existential problem. Then the third problem is well what to do about you yourself know there's nature you have to contend with and there's culture you have to contend with and then you've got yourself and your self consciousness and your deep knowledge of all the things about you that could really use some repair and the thing about those problems is that everyone has them? I always have them as far as we know they always will and so they're built into the condition of Being Human and that's what existentialism is about. It's like life is a paradoxical problem. Is there any possible solution to a paradoxical problem? Well, that's that's that's in some ways the question of the meaning of life. And one hint. Is that what what's the meaning of life and one answer to that is this is the hint is that the meaning to life is the pattern of thought and action that you take that enables you to tolerate at least tolerate the conditions of life and then maybe you could move One Step Beyond that if you're feeling a little optimistic and say Meaning of life is the pattern of conception in action that enables you to welcome the conditions of life. And then you might ask yourself. Well, is there such a mode of being given the nature of the problem that you have to contend with? Is there actually a mode of being that would enable that you could say the vulnerability the Judgment the insufficiency it's worth it under these conditions and that's the other existential question. And if the people who pose those questions, they weren't messing around you're going to Read people like Frankel Viktor Frankl and Alexander solzhenitsyn and what those two people live through mean it's unimaginably horrible and when they were wrestling with the questions that I just described they weren't academic. They weren't academic issues. They were embodied issues of life and culture and genocide and cruelty. And so their examination of that had to be deep enough. To be able to contend with questions like that and answers that are deep enough to contend with questions like that are frightening answers. When we have reading week, it'll be a relief. The last part of the course this is when we switch over into the more scientific domain and so we're going to do two things. As I said, we're going to take a pretty deep look at how the brain functions as far as we know in our current state of unimaginable ignorance. Like we are we really know so little about the brain or maybe we know a bit of a bit about the brain, but we certainly don't know anything yet about Consciousness and Consciousness seems to be a very well. It's a relevant part of the brain. Right. It's sort of the part that everybody cares about since Consciousness in some sense seems to be you even more than your brain is you and your brains just this thing inside your skull but your Consciousness, you know, that's your being we don't have a clue about Consciousness our scientific. We're not even able to conceptualize it in a scientific manner. It's a real mystery. So but having said that there's still plenty of things that are interesting to know about the brain. One of the things we're going to do and this is sort of associated with the phrase idea of the end, you know, the ad for Freud was the natural self. And so that was your primordial you could think about them as drives or Temptations or values values is probably the most accurate anger sexuality. Those are the talk to Freudian concerns. There's plenty others eating for didn't care about that we do now because everyone has an eating disorder or virtually everyone. So for the victorians, it was sexuality for us. It's food sex doesn't seem to be a problem, but we just can't eat anymore. So we're going to take a look at the low level biological systems in the brain. And those are systems go out some of those systems are so old that even Crustaceans have so for example, this is so cool. So if you give a lobster who's being defeated in a dominance fight because they fight for dominance and they might even if you give a lobster, if you take the lobster who's been defeated in a dominance dispute, he'll go back to his little lobster whole and pout and when we when he's pounding he gets all clocks and you can't even really get him out of his hole with the stick because he's going to sit in there and you know be upset about his dominance defeat and maybe he'll come on was kind of a new Lobster already go again, and maybe not if you take that same Lobster and you give them antidepressants right after he fights He won't go back into his cave and hide and he'll fight right away again. And so you think about that that means that the circuitry that underlies our defeat related depression is 300 million years old and even Crustaceans have it. So that's way down in your brain stem and because lobsters hard to even have brains. In fact, if the lobsters big top of these being the dominant launched her for a long time and he gets defeated badly. Then when he goes off to pout he has to dissolve his whole brain. It's all he does is dominant stuff that he grows a new subordinate bring weasels around that so and that's useful to think about the next time you really get defeated because all that pain you're going through it's like you've got some circuit repairs. And if you feed badly defeated, well, maybe you should just let yourself collapse and all that stuff clear away so you could come back. So that's low level stuff brain stem stuff its way down at the bottom of your be it, you know, but we're going to talk about systems that are above that too. But still low the hypothalamus. For example, it's a very cool braid area. It's sort of responsible for all the basic drives hunger temperature regulation sexuality defensive aggression. Predatory Gresham. Looks like it's something different. Everyone has those systems, you know, so they're like these sub beings that live inside us, but they're also preconditions for Haitian, you know because you might say to your friend, I'm angry today and your friend doesn't say well, what do you mean angry? He says well what happened to upset you because he knows what anger beans and the reason knows that is because he's already got it in his head. He's like you he gets angry he gets sad gets afraid the basic emotions, but not only the basic emotions but the basic motivations and so we're going to look at the brain systems that underlie the basic motivations and the basic emotions and in some sense those systems are equivalent to the Physiological incarnation of the ID that Freud described at the end of the 19th century. And so that's a nice way to look at it. You'll go through the psychoanalytic thinking which kind of puts flesh on these systems because for the psychoanalyst and this is why they're still relevant those weren't just systems. They were living personalities narrow one-eyed personalities. They only want one thing but personalities nonetheless ancient gods that's another way of looking at them. And pays you have to connect again with whether you believe in them or not. We'll discuss all five traits as well extraversion. As I said that's positive emotion neuroticism. That's negative emotion people Darion those Dimensions agreeableness that seems to be associated with maternal behavior on one end and predatory hunting on another as human beings are hunters and mammals. It's a weird combination, right? Because if you're a hunting animal you have to figure out how not to kill it eat your children, right and that happens in lots of mammalian species, especially among the males. They have to be moved away. But human beings have solved that more or less, you know, it gets complicated in mixed families because if you're the child of a stepparent you have 100 times the likelihood of being abused. So we'll talk about conscientiousness, which is a great predictor of long-term life success, but also associated with fascist political priest predispositions because it turns out that the way you vote has very little to do with what you pay and very much to do with what your temperament is. So even for high-level cognitive functions, like political belief these underlying systems. Play in determining rule last two things. We're going to talk about performance prediction and by that I mean, well, there's been accruing evidence. You might say look what me. What how do you have a happy life? First of all, I would say that's a stupid question, but we'll go because happiness isn't it's not the Rite Aid it's it's a way it's not a place to go. It's a it's a manner of manifestation while your journey something like that leaving that aside. What do you need to live a high quality life what we kind of know that already. I mean, it's kind of obvious need friends need Intimate Relationships. You need me. For work, you know having more money than we'll pay your bills doesn't seem to help that much, etc. Etc. So it's like, you know, it's like intelligent moderation of disciplines very boring exactly what you'd expect. If you were pessimistic about excitement performance prediction. We look very carefully at the nature of the traits that make people successful in life. And you know, you might say, well, what do you mean by successful? You know, one of the things I mean is not in too much pain and anxiety is that turns out to actually be Be more important to people than being happy, you know, if you say to people what do you want to say? I want to be happy. But if you analyze what they mean by happy they mostly mean not suffering and not terrified you get those two things under control like the worst that can happen to you is that you'll be bored. So and then we'll wrap it up at the end. Okay, so that's the course so I'm glad to be teaching it. It's good to see all of you here. Looks like you kind of have a comfortable classroom. So that's kind of nice decide if you decide if you want to take the court because I don't want you to be disappointed you left hand. So I'm really really telling you seriously, you gotta like the ideas if you like this lectures you like the course and you got to do the read and there's a fair bit of read. So. we'll see if there's this podcast is brought to you and made possible by generous financial aid from Peter kanzler K. Ay n z l-- e-- r-- you can buy his Amazon books at your favorite Amazon Branch, for example, the original texts of lock Hobbs and the US. 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Welcome to Good bones a podcast about living and dying well with Mallory Boudoir and Vanessa Irena. I mean like you could summon a demon to get a new job or you could just ask your grandmother exactly exactly. In this segment of the practice, we're going to be talking all about the dead people in our families because we're talking about ancestor veneration. Well Mallory, since you literally wrote the book about it. I'm going to let you get started on this one. So this is a topic that is so near and dear to my heart. It's the reason why I wrote a book in the first place. And the reason for that is first to tell us what the book is. Isn't where you get it, the book is called honoring your ancestors a guide to ancestral veneration and you can get it on Amazon Barnes & Noble really wherever books are sold. And the reason why I was inspired to write this book is because I hang out in so many kind of magic and occult circles. I met a lot of people over the years who were interested in engaging with spirit. Or spirits and often I think because we come from a materialist culture where we don't believe in spirits. We just believe in buying shit. Hmm. We forget that they're all around us. And so people try to LEAP immediately to being able to summon demons or talking to pagan gods or calling down angels and that's great. But also that's We hard right and I think it's important to keep in mind that we are all surrounded by certain types of spirits particularly our ancestors and the spirits of the place that we live in. Yeah. I mean like you could summon a demon to get a new job or you could just ask your grandmother exactly. Exactly and like eventually you need to deal with your dead grandmother. Yeah, that is kind of a requirement. We are already in relationships. And ship with our ancestors and the practice of venerating them to me is not about putting them up on a pedestal and worshipping them like they are infallible, which they're not they were human. They were flawed. They're still flawed and evolving beings but rather about taking this relationship, which is right now unconscious and probably unless you were very very lucky with the family that you chose to be born into. Probably a little bit wonky and maybe a little bit toxic or traumatic and taking that unconscious relationship shining a light on it and becoming more deliberate about how you show up in that relationship and because our ancestors are in us and we are a part of them. I believe personally that when the living decide to engage in this practice consciously, there's there's a mirror effect that is happening on the other side where the dead are kind of doing the same thing. So it's like we're reaching backwards. They're reaching for words in our hands kind of meet in the middle. Mhm. Yeah totally and like, you know, it's definitely been my experience that like, you know, it just feels like once you start doing this work if there's just like a ripple effect throughout your whole life and through your family even family that you're not necessarily like in contact with or living family. I mean, yeah, That was my experience for sure in that as I became more serious about this practice. I noticed that I was benefiting from it in terms of my physical and mental health and the stability that I had in this life and also my living family seem to be benefiting from it as well and over time, you know, I started with a certain amount of background information about where my family was from that was like white fuzzy to be perfectly honest and overtime. New information found its way to me. I didn't set out to discover anything particularly. I was fine knowing what I knew and nothing more but old family documents found their way to me a couple of heirlooms found their way to me opportunities to study the regional language and the music and dance from Campania, which is where my mother's side of the family. From just sort of came into my life. And since I wrote the book I have heard from so many people reaching out to me to say that they've had the same experience where they started not knowing anything and then through these weird synchronicities coincidences and signs, they discovered more and more about who their ancestors actually were mmm. That's amazing. I feel like you know, like one of the things that I remember a you posting this on Instagram a while ago that I really resonated with is like you're The High Priestess of this religion and it's like this idea of like ancestor veneration is an amazing place to get started because you literally like the ancestors live in your body and your bones and you don't need anyone else to mediate between you and them, you know what I mean? You can just get started doing this right away and that's like something that you and I talked about a lot in terms of like just like not really like Looking to other people to be a priest for us or to mediate between us and a spirit or whatever and like just doing the stuff ourselves. And so I really love this as a base practice for that anyone can do because everyone is already connected to their own ancestors. Yeah. Yeah, and we're usually on the other side of that argument, right because we are for the most part, you know, very respectful of people's expertise and You know the fact that like somebody who has had a lot of training or initiations into certain paths that's like kind of a requirement but with your ancestors, you know, the initiation already happened that you were born. You were born. Yeah, you have a body personally. I have a metaphysical belief that you chose the family that you were born into a and they chose you. I have the same belief as well. So it's like that that license already. Exists and it's not something that you need to seek out external to yourself. It's something that is already there and the power is in learning how to tap into it effectively. Yeah, and also it's like your ancestors are the spirits that are most invested in you living well and succeeding unity means so it's like sure you could ask like a random Pagan deity for like what you want or like Why not go to the people that are like more that are already connected to you and already very much invested in like you you like meeting, you know, succeeding with your goals and stuff like that, you know, yeah that there's not a time and place for like, you know, doing elaborate rituals with other spirits and whatever but you know, I mean, it's just like the past path of least resistance, you know, right and especially when we think about like Pagan deities, which is not something that we have access to directly in our present cultural. Moment but our ancestors were the ones worshipping them like they're the experts right? So I think you know often when we do have this desire to like explore certain aspects of spirituality. It might be better if we start with, you know, like tapping our Network on LinkedIn, right? Exactly. Yeah. Do I have an ancestor who worshipped Equity right, you know might be able to facilitate that introduction or interaction. And also, I mean, I think yeah and an ancestor practice can act as a buffer against like, you know things if you want to do the bigger crazier stuff, you know against sort of like the harm in that or you know can steer you in the direction of other larger more elaborate practices that might be beneficial or not beneficial to you as a person. Yeah exactly because there are certain magical practices out there in the world. Which require a very Very Firm Foundation to be in place. Otherwise, they can be very destabilizing. Yeah and destructive exactly particularly. If you're working with the types of spirits that we might think of as like hot Spirits so spirits that work very quickly, but also maybe a little recklessly or trickster Spirits. Yeah, or you know, what demons Maria darker Spirits spirits that are, you know intimately associated with some of the aspects of life, like even you know, certain dark goddess figure. Yeah, totally and and that's not a judgment against those Spirits at all. But I mean they can be have destructive influences in your life. Yeah, and when you have the foundation in place because your ancestors are there for you, they're acting as bouncers to your home and helping to steer you in the right direction. Then that's I think kind of a prerequisite to be able to do certain types of work with a you know, more of a safety net in place. Yeah. Yeah, I mean I feel like because you know, I have a good ancestor Foundation. Like I don't really need to like banished. You know what I mean? It's like I just kind of like have a healthy Spirit ecology around me. And so I just like the bad stuff just doesn't really have a chance to get in. Yeah, you know, yeah, absolutely absolutely so you don't necessarily need to you know, like go out and get a magic gun. Yeah right itself with yeah totally so much. Just you know developing that that ecology. Yeah and like cleaning your house and yeah that kind of stuff, you know, exactly exactly like and this reflects to me an idea, which is that like healing good health. Wholeness piece is you know, that is like the natural sort of state that the universe or Earth or Cosmos or however you want to think about it is always going to reset itself towards like it will always return to equilibrium After it's Disturbed. Yeah, so you can kind of you know Bank on that happening. But sometimes you you know, you need like help setting a broken bone. Yeah, it will mend itself. And I think that that's where you know ancestors can can kind of come come into place. Yeah, and I feel like, you know, once you start doing this stuff regularly like you just find that like things just flow more smoothly and easily like it's not a thing necessarily wear. It's just like extremely. Elaborate Miracles are happening all around you all the time. It's just like stuff that could have been a huge problem isn't as much or like things that you know, like normally would have like, you know snowballed into like a tragedy like let that happens less and less or just like stuff, you know stuff just flows more easily and problems aren't as big, you know in a way. Yeah. I've definitely noticed that in in my own life as well and just notice also like Having more having more opportunities to heal. Mmm, you know finding the right therapist. Yeah, sure finding, you know, the right friends who are able to kind of support my own healing process. I feel very very fortunate. I think that's one of the the biggest blessings that I've received from my ancestors over the past like year two years. Yeah. I feel like in the past last year, especially my dad kind of has come forward very strongly in my life. And and on my Altar and everything and I feel like he's led me to things that have like helped to improve my health because he himself had a lot of health issues like in life. And so, you know, it's LED, he's led me to different like dietary changes I can make and that sort of thing that have helped me like heal myself, which is really cool. So yeah, we're even going on for a while. This section. So do you want to give some examples of how people can get started with this practice if they're not involved with it already are doing it. Yeah, totally so First Things First Step Zero I think is really just recognizing that wherever you're at. Today is a completely natural reflection of your relationship with your ancestors. We're not trying to add something that isn't there. We're trying to become aware. We're of something that we weren't aware of even though it already exists. So that's Step 2 0 step one for me is a candle and a glass of water. Hmm and for me what this really represents is the to primordial elements water and fire out of which all life on Earth has emerged in a way. This is the real form of Adam and Eve the Divine masculine and divine feminine if you want to put it that way, but it's The interaction of the two that made life on Earth possible. So when you have those it acts as this kind of spiritual probiotic and helps to rebuild up the spiritual ecology in your home and with in spiritism as well. We find this technology deployed because the water is like a almost like a tool for Gathering Spirits from you know, bringing them forward. Giving them the fluid that they need in order to manifest and that makes a lot of sense when you compare it to cross-cultural Laura about Springs Wells rivers and Cetera being associated with the Dead with nature spirits and with spiritual encounters more broadly and the light of the candle itself is an offering probably the most simple and pure offering that we can give to spirits of the Dead. You helped them to become enlightened to continue whatever kind of spiritual Evolution they are on so putting those two together. I think is a really powerful combination to help draw your ancestors towards you and at the same time to help them to evolve and strengthen cool great. So and then so once you set up your candle on your glass of water then Do you do from there? I think it's good to start with prayer and you know, there's traditional prayers that you can use either from your own religious tradition from the religious tradition of your ancestors you and I coming from Catholic ancestors tend to pray the Requiem a lot, which is a very short and sweet prayer for the Repose of The Souls of the dead and we can link to that in the show. No. Yeah, but you can also Just pray from the heart. You know, like I think when you're praying, you know, really really let it all out. Like I the most powerful prayers that I've ever done were the ones where I was praying out loud things that were so raw that I was afraid to write them down. Yeah. So prayer is really important and the other side of prayer is also kind of trance and mediumship which may start to happen sort of organically as part of this process. Yes, you don't need to like Chase it it'll just sort of evolved and likewise your set up with that candle in the glass of water can evolve to like you may find yourself Desiring, you know to set up some photos of your ancestors near those tools or maybe you have some something that you've inherited from your ancestors, like little bits of jewelry that you can you can add to it or if you don't know who your ancestors were. You know, maybe you just want to get like a generic human statue like it, you know, maybe you get one that looks sort of like a mother figure when that's looks sort of like a father figure or like a cake topper. Yeah wedding cake topper like that could be fun. But, you know, you don't have to add a ton of stuff. You can sort of set up again those two primordial elements from which life emerges and then see what happens. They will start to draw things. Towards them naturally when it's right Mmm Yeah, and I feel like I like that because it's one it's not expensive at all. And it's also super low-key. So it's something that like kind of anyone can set up wherever there are whatever whatever their situation is. Also, you know, one of the philosophies of a good bones podcast is that basically like one of the greatest things that we can do to honor our ancestors is to live well, and so we wanted to just talk a little bit about some other forms of Ancestor veneration that might not necessarily look like ancestor veneration. Yeah. So one of the things that I've worth two of the things actually that I've been doing sort of as my own form of ancestor veneration is doing more exercise physical exercise as a way to strengthen my body and bones which the ancestors have given to me and also learning how to cook. Oh, I love that. Yeah, and so because you know food is life. Life in a lot of ways and by you know learning to feed myself and it's that's another way of taking good care of my body, but it's also just like, you know learning to feed yourself in a way that's nourishing and stuff like that. I feel like honours honours your ancestors as well. Absolutely. Yeah, I think cooking in many ways is the perfect offering because you are honoring your ancestors, especially when you cook foods that either they really enjoyed in Life or recipes. They taught you or recipes from You know kind of cultural background it honors the spirits of place when you are thankful for you know, the fruits of the earth that have grown near where you live minute also honors yourself. Yeah, you know when you're cooking nourishing foods, you know foods that are wholesome and uplift your you know, your spirit and which are pleasurable to eat. Like that's an offering to you and yeah all the people that you share it with. Hmm. Yeah, what about you for me? I would plus 1 both of those ideas exercise and cooking. Another big component of my practice is the offering of my creative labor. Mmm. So, I have a fairly demanding day job and then I spend my nights and my weekends writing and you know, putting putting stuff out into the world as a service and it is A creative Endeavor. It is my art and it's also you know, I think of it in some ways as a kind of volunteer exercise because let me tell you. Yeah, I wrote a book and we authors do not get paid. Yeah, it's kind of sad. But so it is, you know, it is like an act of it's a gift really is an offering that I'm making to the world and I dedicate that labor and time and effort to To my ancestors. Yeah, and and I feel like you're sharing the gifts that they gave you like when you came into this world, you know exactly and to be able to spark that in other people and to hear from people who like reach out to me through Instagram or through Facebook to say that they've had you know, their own experiences is, you know, if even just one person had done that I think it would have made you know in some ways my whole Incarnation worth it. Yeah, but to hear from people Fairly regularly is just it's one of the great joys of my life. Great Okay, cool. So well, if you want to learn more about ancestor veneration, you should definitely check out Mallory's book. It's really excellent and let us know if you decide to start a practice or if you already do have a practice and you want to just talk to us about it and what it's like for you you can reach us at good bones podcast at gmail.com or leave us a comment on our patreon page or you can also check out Mallory's in Instagram account. Your ancestors and she shares a lot of really cool stuff about ancestor veneration there as well and that will link that as well. Okay? Okay. So for this segment of the podcast, which we're going to be calling magical experiments one of us is going to challenge the both of us actually to do a magical experiment for two weeks. And then we are going to come back and report on Out went so for the first magical experiment. I was thinking earlier when we were talking about Aquarius and the idea of fixed are that breathwork would be a really good one to try for for this first experiment. And so and I thought that that box breathing would be a good one to do because the idea of a box being like a square and that being a fixed shape and it nothing and also it's like it's like a breathwork practice that's like pretty easy to do and it's not super taxing like you're holding your breath for a really long time or like because for me like doing any kind of breath work that requires you to like really hold your breath for a long time like gives me a lot of anxiety and stuff. And so I have to I kind of like sticking with some more simple ones that are like more calming and less stressful to my system. So anyway, so basically so for the next two, Two weeks. We are going to be just doing a simple box breathing practice of three minutes a day. And well, it's actually three minutes and 12 seconds if you if you count it out, but um, so what's box breathing though? Okay. I have never I've tried breath work in the past and I've had success with it in Pilates. It's like a huge part of Pilates and you're actually kind of trained to use the breath as a way to it's like the source of movement basically and that's why Pilates is all about ABS actually is it's because It's the connection to your abs and your breath but outside of Pilates. I actually haven't had a lot of luck with like meditation that is related to breath work. And so I'm wondering like what are you getting us into right now? Okay, so box breathing is like a really simple breathing practice that involves basically inhaling and then holding the count for four seconds. And then write. Oh, sorry inhale for 4 seconds. Hold for a Exhale four seconds hold four seconds and you just keep doing that in a in a repeating mood or whatever for as long as you want and it's really calming for your nervous system. And it's really just like, you know, a short sort of meditative exercise. I guess that it really just I don't know it I like what I've done it in the past. It makes me really chill and it's just like it's like a different way. It's a different form of Meditation where you're like focusing on an actual like activity as opposed to like a mantra or something like that or whatever. Okay, that sounds cool. I think actually a couple years ago. I was doing some like introductory training with a witch craft tradition and it didn't I didn't end up going very far with it. But I remember that was one of the first things actually that they taught us, they didn't call it box breathing but it's interesting that there are people in modern witchcraft Traditions who have already picked up on the fact that breath work. Important component in one spiritual practice. Yeah, totally and I'm it's also really interesting seeing that breathwork being talked about so much like within mental health circles and stuff like that now too because you know, one of the big sort of like theories that's come forward with regard to mental health recently is the idea of like polyvagal Theory and polyvagal theory is basically like it's a trauma-informed theory. That's basically a bet that is basically related to the vagus nerve and the vagus nerve is like a bundle of nerves that sort of regulate your fight or flight or your or your rest and digest modes and basically by like and and so when people have experienced trauma, for example, they are kind of existing in a constant state of like hyper arousal and so they're like fight or flight is and like in go mode like all the time and so by doing things that Support our vagus nerve or you know support our nervous system we can heal from trauma, you know that makes a lot of sense and so and breath work is considered to be one of the things that's helpful for regulating your vagus nerve or toning your vagus nerve. Yeah, that's really cool. I definitely feel like, you know people who have experienced trauma are more likely to end up stuck in that fight or flight mode, and I also think that just Generally people who are a little bit more psychically sensitive and up in that mode a lot because often your perceiving things, but maybe if you haven't had the right training you don't know what to do about them. And so it's like there's something that is irritating you and nobody else knows what it is and you don't know what it is or how to deal with it. And so you are put in this state of irritation or inflammation or fight or flight or however you want to call it and it's hard. Kind of come back down from that because you're never able to resolve the the signal right? And of course, you know, this isn't just for the psychic people among us. I think in Modern Life, we all have these weird signals that are constantly flickering on the borders of our perception all the time in the form of our digital devices and all of their push notifications and text messages and little red dots in the corner of the eye. A app that inform you that you're supposed to read something. I totally I mean I find like myself getting in a state of like hyperarousal if I'm just like swiping through Instagram stories too fast or like stuff like that where I'm doing sort of these like kind of like tick behaviors with the Internet or with technology or media that I find myself doing and like obviously a caveat that like, we're not doctors and we're not giving medical advice here, but for me, you know doing sort of breathwork type practices have been helpful for me in the past in terms of Need to just calm myself down when I feel like I'm in that sort of agitated hyper aroused State personally, that's cool. So trauma survivors witches and Instagram influencers all stand to benefit a lot. Yeah from box breathing shakily. I'm convinced I'm in let's do it. Let's do it. Okay, we're back. Okay, so I have to thank you Vanessa for challenging me to two weeks of box breathing and in particular for introducing me to the app that we used this past two weeks, which is called Oak and I've tried meditation apps in the past. And this was the first one that really clicked with me and I think probably the best design one that I've ever used and it's free. Yeah, it's free. I'm not sure if It's available for Android so apologies. If not, but it's available for iOS. It's called Oak and it's beautiful and free and it has simple plain meditation exercises, but also guided breathing exercises. And so we did the Box breathing for three minutes and 12 seconds or whatever whatever that however many rounds that was every day for two weeks. So and yeah and so having a guided app to help you like to guide you through it is really helpful. You can also just like go on YouTube or whatever and like There are plenty of people that will guide you through it. If you don't want to time it out yourself, but yeah, I don't know it was it was really great for me. And I think that's definitely this is definitely an experiment that I would consider X 6s success and one that I think that I'm probably going to just continue with honestly because me, too. It's literally three minutes of my day and I really enjoy doing it on the subway. Yeah, I do it on the subway on the way to work in the morning and because the subway is always just been a place that's very stressful for me in general. Everyone but also it's like I just a nice way of to go into my day, you know, so yeah, that's one. This is one that I'm going to keep up. I think yeah saying, how about you? I was even just the first time that I did it. I felt like I got a lot out of it because I sat down and I opened Oak and I set up the three minute time to breathing exercise and I noticed that within a couple rounds I was actually in a lot of pain and I was like why? Why am I in pain in my chest right now? And then I realized it was because you know for this breathing exercise, you are encouraged to expand your lungs and then keep them expanded and then could track them and keep them empty. And when I learned box breathing years ago, for some reason, I don't know if it was the instructor or me, not understanding them or a little bit of both, but what I took away from that is that you need to be challenging yourself to get your lungs as big as possible. Possible. Yeah, and then when you you know, push all the air out you need to you know have no air left in your body. And so I was really straining the muscles in my chest in order to do this and I had to confront the fact that there is a part of me still in my body or mind or however you want, you know, whatever is responsible for this that thinks I have to hurt myself in order to do something right and so I Stop the app and I took a break and I came back to it the next day because I was like, I need to just like sit with this for a month and it's really cool though that you like recognize that about it. Yeah, I'm really really glad and and also I think like another caveat with this is breathwork is very powerful, but it can also be very dangerous. And so yeah, I told have that kind of awareness when you're going into it that like you, you know, you can potentially Hurt yourself, maybe a little bit maybe a lot. If you're doing it every day, especially there's like cumulative effects that happen. And so I think going into it with that mindfulness and not just doing it mindlessly and like letting the app control your body and the way that your breathing is really important, but then the next day when I started the practice up again and was doing it, you know still trying to expand and contract my lungs fully but not to the point where I was straining myself. I got so much out of that and I by the end of the three minutes or however long it was I was like in a completely different state of mind because I was also doing it on the subway and I was just at other piece it was like I just you know, whatever your thing is, whether that's having a glass of wine or a cup of Cava or chamomile tea like I was really This state of you know, total total peace. I didn't have like a worry in the world and the fact that you can get there in, you know as little as just a couple of minutes I think is really powerful like this is a tool that I could see myself using not just in the morning is a way to Center myself before I get to work but also if things happen along the way totally and it's a great thing to have in your tool kit for like if you're like finding yourself really angry or like in a You know like someone pisses you off or like you need any need to calm down or whatever like you find yourself like in a you know a situation where you feel off or like dysregulated. Yeah. It's a great way to just bring yourself back exactly you can I think most of us probably always have the option at the very least to go to the bathroom. Yeah for you know a couple minutes. So if you need to take time out of your day and you need to wait till like reset and deal with something that has just happened. And I think this is a great tool to have in your tool kit. Yeah, and also like breathing is something that you can you're doing all the time anyway, so you can like do it anywhere. Like I feel like people like to say like, oh you can meditate Anywhere But like I can't, you know, like I need to be able to close my eyes and like have some peace and stuff like that, but I can breathe anywhere, you know, and then one thing that you also said about just like, you know, sort of forcing your lungs and whatever and how you had that recognized that realization is just like it brought to mind an important point that I want to Bring up about these magical experiments like I'm saying, you know, we're saying like, oh, we're challenging the other person but even the word the word challenge is like very loaded obviously and so we want to make it clear that these are things that we are doing for fun and for like our own growth and it and learning and stuff like that. But like to to if you decide to try these experiments along with us don't think of it as a challenge but something that you can approach like what Joy, and a sense of play and I think that you'll get a lot more out of it. Yeah, I mean maybe a better word is like invitation. Yeah, totally. I'm like, I like that idea a lot better. But you know, like I think it's like it's funny to think of us challenging the other person but because of the nature of our friendship, we know that it's not like an aggressive competition obviously, but just wanted to like make it clear in case it came off that way that this is like all in good fun. And it's all it's all playful and and joyous, you know. Yeah, I think some people enjoy the dynamic like, you know how some people like to go to an exercise class where the instructor is like yelling at them. Yeah, and they really get off on that and they feel like they do their best work in that environment like more power to you. I personally am not that type of immediate like I need that's why I think I really gravitated towards Pilates actually is because all of the cues are given in very Invitational language very similar to like a yoga class. Yeah, and I'm the same way. Yeah. I'm a total like Queen in that way. Yeah. Also, I'm also like somewhat rebellious is as if like if someone's like telling me I you know, like trying to force me to do something. I immediately like don't want to really like even if it's like someone telling me something that I was going to do. Anyway, I'm like no, I don't want to anymore. I mean, well, it's funny. How many books about doing magic start with some kind of Gauntlet, which is you need to be meditating for however many, Maryland and to do the everyday BRP like every day Day for like a hundred days or something like that. Exactly and I hear I often because I'm active on on Instagram and I talked about woo stuff there people will sometimes reach out to me and say things to the effect of like, oh, I don't know what's wrong with me because I can't complete this completely arbitrary are that somebody sat for me, and I know maybe because the bar sucks exactly, or maybe it's just not your bar. Right exactly. And and I think that that's important to keep in mind as well. Just the fact that you you know, you can let your desire to do something be a guide like for something that is challenging and not desirable. Maybe it's just not your thing. But if it's challenging and desirable if it forces you to grow but you still want to do it then that's what I look out for when I'm prioritizing it. Experiments that I want to take on as part of my own right personal spiritual Evolution. Yeah, and it's like oh this stuff is always optional, you know, so it's like, you know any sort of limitation unless you're like part of a tradition where like that's you know, the rules or whatever but it's just like, you know, you just you get you get to decide what your spiritual practice looks like to you and it doesn't need to like fit some mold of like, you know, what people are on Facebook groups are like saying it's supposed to look like, you know, Yeah, but if you want to try it it comes recommended by us. Yeah Oak is a great app. You can download it for free. You can try box breathing or some other breathing technique and I think particularly people who are looking for ways to build more piece a more peaceful foundation in their day-to-day life or to just be able to manage their transition from different states in two different. Penn State so like when you find yourself in a flight or fight mode and you know that that is not actually what you what your what will be best for your body in the situation that you're in and you want to be able to find your way back to rest and digest then this is a great way to do that. Yeah, cool. Yeah. I highly recommended this this exercise. Did you notice any other changes in your life beyond just feeling more? At ease when you were doing the exercise, like how did you feel throughout the day? Yeah, I don't know. I just felt like I had a more sense like like a just I had a sort of more sense of calm, but also I feel like I was less a little bit less reactionary to stuff. You know, it's like I feel like I'm when you have stuff like this in your toolkit like you will you're less likely to you're less likely to to have anxiety about anxiety. I mean really good like so it's just like I'm less like worried about feeling bad because I know that I have something that can help me if I do, you know what I mean? And so like I'm less likely to freak out about stuff because I feel like I'm I'm more equipped I guess to handle life in a way if that makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. It's like anxiety is no longer this thing that Just happen to you and you have no way to address it. Right and then you get anxious about being anxious. Yeah, totally. Like I feel like a lot of issues like mental health issues is like for me personally arise from like feeling bad about feeling bad or feeling bad about the potential to feel bad at a later time, you know, and I'd like and like adding fear and story to that. And so I feel like the more sort of like Baseline things that you can do to like build up your resilience. And that way we'll add to like, it won't add it won't like add shit to your shit sandwich. Basically, you know what I mean? Because like a lot of times like You know, I'll be you know, if I get angry or something like that. I'll be like why am I angry? I'm such a bad person, you know, he made instead of just like letting myself be angry, I guess and so I feel like yeah just like having stuff like this that you know, you can can turn to like makes like the experience of emotions and like undesirable emotions, like which are totally normal like feeling angry or whatever is like a totally normal part of life, but it makes it like less likely to be something that like I'm distressed about Experiencing if that makes sense. Yeah, it makes total sense. I one of the big things that I learned this year in going through my Saturn return and having basically everything in my life kind of go wrong in one year has been that feelings really only actually last a couple of seconds the the feeling in your body the emotion stirring in your body only lasts a couple of seconds. It's the narrative. That you create about that feeling the narrative in which you know, you are a mistake or your life is shit or right? You know, nobody loves you. You're inherently unlovable like those things are what stick with you. And so if you're able to let something whether that's anger or sadness or disgust just kind of move through you in a couple of seconds without without trying to impede it or without making a narrative out of it. It that you're then going to return to over and over again and you know use that narrative to invoke that feeling and then you're fine like the feeling comes and it leaves and it wasn't good. It wasn't bad. It was just a thing that happened and and that skill I think is is really important. And I also I had a similar experience over the past two weeks where I feel like doing this breathwork practice every morning helped to expedite. Things that I have been working on all year in terms of being able to really feel something let it go and then kind of return to a baseline which is you know by and large pretty peaceful. Yeah total and I I've been very impressed with over the past two weeks. I've had some really high stakes conversations. I have received some very bad news and in those particular instances, I was able to kind of, you know, just feel something in the moment and then it was over within a couple minutes and I was rather than losing several days to getting upset about what had happened and what I had felt or creating a narrative that I end up trapped in for several days. I was able to just kind of like come back and start living again. Yeah. I think it's That that feeling like I feel like when you're in the fight and the fight or flight like mentality or mode or whatever. It's like the OM overwhelming sensation is like I'm not safe right now. And so I feel like you know the breathwork really reinforces that feeling of like just safety and safety in my body like when I can do it, you know, and so I think it's really powerful for that, you know, like when stuff like when shit hits the fan kind of thing, you know, so that's great. Cool. Alright, so we invite everyone to try this practice for two weeks if they would like to and please reach out to us and let us know how it went for you at good bones podcast at gmail, or you can leave us a comment on the patreon. Okay, so this is going to be a one-off segment called magical mishaps and we're just going to be talking a bit about some of the medical practice. This is that we've done that just like went horribly wrong. Oh God and also just stuff that we tried that just like didn't do anything for us at all. And so and how we sort of like used to the lessons of that information to shape the practices that we have now. I'm so scared. All right, so I guess I'll start and this is just Anna really embarrassing story. But so so I currently live in Queens and I was living in Brooklyn for a really long time before that and I got married and decided that I needed to live with and we needed we needed a bigger apartment basically because I was living in a tiny apartment in Williamsburg by myself and it wasn't big enough for two people. And so I you know, I sold my place and I was like, you know when you sell your apartment you kind of like you need to like use that money to To buy the new apartment. And so there's this like period of time where you kind of or just in limbo because you don't have the money at but you have to move out of your old place you can sell it. And so also by the way money is literally fake. Yeah, this is actual Matt. He can't hear right? So so we were sort of in this weird place of being transient and like we were it was like the dead of winter were living and like airbnb's and just like in like basement apartments freezing our asses off and so I was in a place of feeling like Really desperate to find a new place for us to live in and so I was looking at an apartment and I decided that I was going to use this who do formula called I can and you can't what is that? So it sounds a like sort of what it sounds like but basically it's a hoodoo formula that is used to sort of eliminate your competition for something you want. So people can use the people will use it to you know, if they're competing for a lover or you No, people can sprinkle it on their resume if they don't want someone to get the job that they're going after that sort of thing. And so I had this idea that like, oh, I'm going to sprinkle this around this apartment that I really want so that like no one else gets it so so I'm looking at the apartment, you know, and you know the carp the the the powder is white and the this apartment has pink carpet and you know, I'm growing and I'm trying to like sprinkle a little bit like on the floor. her and I accidentally just like dumped a bunch of this powder like all over the carpet and luckily like no one saw me but at one point I was like rubbing my foot into the carpet to like rub it in so that no one would see what I was doing and the realtor came into the room that I was in and I think I played it off really well, but it was like so humiliating and I feel like I was just like in this like horrible desperate place, you know, and so, you know, I was able to laugh about it, but you know, it was just like One of those things where I just was like, oh my God, what am I doing? And I felt really silly about it afterwards and ultimately we actually did not get that apartment, but it didn't up working out for the best because we got another place that was much better. But yeah, so that was that's probably one of my biggest sort of like embarrassing magical stories. Okay, my most embarrassing magical story also involves powder. And so I guess this is kind of like a buyer beware for anybody who is interested in working. Magical sachet powders such as this but I was in a situation with this guy where I was just trying to get him to leave leave our shared space and existence together. I'm not going to say anything more about about it, but I had been talking to a friend of mine at the time who was the type of person who really would like talk. Kept his magical practice and ability like he was an expert and at the time I was also really impressed by stuff like that. Yeah, like I was so so so willing to just believe whatever any particularly any male person told me about how powerful he was. And so I remember even asking him I was interested in using hot foot powder, which is also a who do for me. So like often with these who do formulas, you know, there's some kind of condition in your life that they're prescribed for and in the case of hot foot powder is it usually is used to get somebody to leave whether that's a roommate or whatever co-worker. And so I remember like looking at it and thinking like wow this fucking white powder and you know, this was several years after the anthrax scared but But still, you know, I think that you know growing up in that time period had really like really impressed upon me that white powders are extreme, you know, you go to jail, which I guess is true like yeah lot of with a lot of white powders there is the opportunity to go to jail, but I was asking this guy like, so what you just sprinkle it around don't people don't people get suspicious. Vicious of that and he I swear to God he swore up and down that nobody would notice mmm because according to him he used them all the time and people just he didn't say that like they're invisible because of psychic magic whatever blah blah blah, but he did claim that most people just aren't paying attention enough to notice white powder on the floor. I would debate that claim. Yeah, and so I remember like after I dropped that first little sprinkle. It was a total. I've made a huge mistake that moment and I was like, how am I going to undo this right now? What am I gonna do and so like you I think I did end up trying to just like rub it out with my feet subtly like looking probably looking like even more suspicious than this. Sprinkled. But yeah, after that I was like no more with the powders ever again. I have heard since then that the way that other people deploy them is by combining them with a little bit of dirt from the area art. Yeah from whatever area that you're working in which makes a lot of sense, but I think I also just kind of realized after that particular instance that there. Are maybe certain practices where it doesn't make a lot of sense for me to try to teach them myself by reading something online and then you know just like doing it. I think that there is a certain amount of subtlety one might even say cunning that goes into being able to do magic effectively and it's just like cooking actually where there are, you know, when you're reading through a recipe there are certain steps that If you admitted because it's assumed that you know how to do that. Yeah, if you're adding, you know water to a really hot pan for example or a pan that has oil in it or something like that. You know, there's there's a potential for that to go horribly horribly wrong the recipe may warn you about that and say like hey stand back. This is going to steam up there might be like a really intense reaction or it might assume that you know, yeah that's going to happen. So yeah, I have since then kind of like learned to favor things that either come from my own kind of unconscious and build on things that I've done before or where I'm being instructed by somebody that I know in real life who I trust a lot more than that shitty who do Guy totally but I feel like yeah, it's like you get to discern like what what that feels like, you know by sort of like doing stuff like that and A fucking up and you know, I mean like realizing that you made that mistake, you know what I mean? So I feel like on a certain level like, you know, making those kinds of mistakes are part of the process. Like that's how you learn and I think that you know, when I first started doing magic and spiritual practices and stuff like that, like I feel like I'm I would oh I was so afraid to do something wrong or to make a mistake that I like just wouldn't do anything at all. Yeah, or I would have convinced myself like, oh I can't do this because I don't have like blah blah blah. Blah ingredient or like whatever, you know what I mean and do all that kind of stuff. So I feel like you know making mistakes is normal making stuff that doing stuff that feels silly and like is like is normal and part of the process. Like I've done so many practices that just felt so ridiculous to me but like I didn't really realize that I wasn't resonating with it until I tried it myself and I feel like I'm just naturally really curious person. And so I always just want to try everything myself. All of which is a good thing like being curious wanting to try things yourself definitely. But yeah. Yeah, I mean and that's just sort of how I like was able to learn like what resonated with me and what didn't you know, I've tried a lot of magical practices that just ended up feeling like kind of like a LARPing to me, you know, anything involved like a lot of stuff involving, you know, casting fancy circles and like doing stuff with a lot of this sort of like traditional quote unquote which tools like wands and athame is and stuff like that and you know, and there's nothing wrong with any of that stuff if it's something that resonates with you for me it just it felt like it felt like LARPing to me, you know, like it didn't feel authentic to me and I didn't feel right like in my body and so but I didn't know that until I tried it. Yeah, no likewise. And I definitely remember like being a kid and reading team which yeah all these ideas about like, okay. I'm going to click cast a circle once my parents. Asleep and it just never quite did it for me and even as an adult to I feel like if there is a spell or ritual that has a lot of words that you either need to memorize or you're reading them out of a book. It's really hard for me to get in the mood. Yeah speak totally. Yeah. I know. I totally I totally agree with that and I think that also, you know a lot of the stuff that specifically Resonated with me is this idea of like, you know banishing constantly creating circles and all that kind of stuff because I feel like it doesn't align with my cosmology like as someone who's like an animist and stuff like that. Like I don't think that you can just like Create like a vacuum. You know what? I mean by just saying some words or whatever. Like I feel like Spirits are all around us all the time and it's more about sort of learning to live in harmony with them as opposed to like, you know, just like trying to get them away from you all the time or whatever, you know. Yeah, it's always weird when you hear those types of recommendations, like, you know, oh, well if you want to learn magic, you should do the lesser banishing ritual of the pentagram every day for 30. D-Day yeah, and you think that you're naive or dumb because you don't understand why and then you start to realize over time that you didn't understand it because it didn't actually make any sense right or to put it more, you know, relatively it didn't align with your personal cosmology or the work that your soul has come here to do. Yeah, and I think that you know No, I mean I think that like sort of like intro to Magic an intro to Witchcraft books or whatever are good to to instill the idea that like the stuff can be dangerous. But I think that that's some kind of that stuff can go too far, you know where it's like people are afraid it makes people afraid and also makes them afraid to try and do things, you know, like it does become a barrier to entry if people feel like, you know, they need to be doing constant magical protection and stuff like that all the time. Down and it's also funny how sometimes the thing that you come up with yourself in order to be like the antidote to whatever it is you realized was wrong in the first place is also kind of just heading in the wrong direction. So like I remember really really distinctly, you know, I went through my teen fluffy bunny we can phase where I was reading books like teen witch witch. This is you know, if you're into it like good For you for me personally. It was not it did not satisfy my core spiritual nourishment needs and so I thought like okay. Well the opposite of that since this is not been doing it for me is I'm going to go super hardcore Reconstructionist Pagan. Yeah, and the oldie traditional you which absolutely and I ended. Up just reading a ton of academic books about paganism. You know the way that it was practiced historically and first of all struggling to read those books because they're written during my academic for academics struggling to pay for those books because academic books are like they're really aggressive, you know, because apparently we're supposed to be hoarding all the knowledge and making it hard for the average person to to be able to afford or understand right and also, you know, there was just too big of a gap between my life as a 21st century American woman and the life of like an 11th century norsk a and yeah, totally and I mean it's like it's similar to like for example, like I am One who eats a paleo diet, but I'm don't think that I need to go live in a cave and you know like hunt for my dinner and stuff like that for me eating a paleo diet is like not having Captain Crunch for breakfast and stuff like that like eating whole unprocessed food in their most natural state as possible, but it's not about like trying to pretend like I lived during that time, you know, it's just more about adapting those principles to my current life. Yeah. Yeah. I think that that's kind of the key and the thing that we've been this like theme that has come up a couple times with the course of this conversation, which is what is actually relevant to your real life that you're really living versus. What is a practice that you are actually completely unfamiliar with and don't know how to deploy effectively as we saw with the powders. What is a practice that takes you out of your body as we talked about, you know, why casting circles just not really work for us? Yeah, Emily. Or what is a practice that is or was relevant to somebody who lived in a very different time and a very different place and had a very different social structure and understanding of the world than the one that we live with today. So, I think that that might actually be like a really good place to start with is like always just kind of centering your own. Variants and what you're really feeling in the moment and what's really happening and to seek out ways to augment those raw materials. Mmm rather than thinking like, okay. Well, I need to be this Blank Slate that I can then write magic onto. Yeah. Yeah, and I think that like, you know the lesson that you can take away from this is like don't be afraid to make mistakes or Like Makin make an ass out of yourself in pursuit of like finding the Cactuses that work for you and feel the best for you, but don't get arrested. Yeah, we don't take it. We take no responsibility for any yeah anything that you might do with white powder? Yeah. Okay. Alright. So yeah, if you want to tell us about any of your magical mishaps, let us know. Yeah, we showed you hours now it's time to you to show us your yes. We want to hear all of the Gory details about the dumbest shit. You've ever tried. Yeah, you can email. 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We're going to be talking about how to get someone to fall madly in love with you and why it's not nearly as hard as you've probably been making it out to be but first you subscribe to this channel, if you haven't already hit the Bell icon, if you'd like to be notified of when new videos are released also I am available for one-on-one coaching. If you'd like to do a session with me Veronica Isles.com. Okay so back. Back to the video having someone fall madly in love with you. Maybe this is an ex that you're trying to track it back. Maybe this is a specific person across you've never been in a relationship with maybe it's someone who you've just gone out on one date with all of these scenarios will work could be friends with benefits long-distance relationship any of these situations work your energy is super powerful and the feelings and the thoughts that you are giving out. Are you going to place the foundation of exactly how this? Sin is going to respond to you react to you and whether or not they're going to want to be with you. So if you want this person to be madly in love with you not just in love with you but madly in love with you. Then you absolutely can have it you can attract it doesn't have to take a year doesn't have to take two years. It could take 20 minutes. It could take no time at all to start getting into this feeling of deserving love and being able to receive it. So one of the first things you're going to want. Want to do is get out of this desperate energy that you're probably currently in ever. We noticed an area of lack. We tend to fixate on it and thus create more lack you're trying to create abundance in this situation. You want this person to add or you become obsessed with you want to know what you're up to be with you and you can have that but it's stepping out of this energy of lack and creating a sense of abundance. So, how do we do that? Well number one we stop So hard, you don't want to create a frenzied or anxious energy. If you keep trying trying trying the what you're saying is I don't have what I'm seeking. It's constantly remaining out of my reach. I'm trying to grab it. I'm trying to grab it and I just can't get it instead. You wanted to freely come to you sort of like a be going to Honey or a magnet just attracting to the other one. This person cannot be attracted to you in that way. What you really need to do is start becoming mindful of what you're thinking what you're feeling and what you're focusing on when you imagine this person. So I want you to take a few moments right now to really honestly ask yourself when this person comes to mind. What is the very first thing that I think of I'm going to give you a few examples when you think of them the very first thing you may think of after imagining them is why haven't they caught? Why don't they want to be with me? I bet they're off with some other girl doing this amazing thing and she's so much better looking than I am. Now these are all really negative statements. Now whenever we think of someone we usually have a go-to first statement that we think of usually it's lack especially if we're trying to attract something. So what you're going to want to do is change your reflex statement. That is the statement that you immediately think of when you think of this person and you're going to want to change it. Let me give you some more empowering and better examples. So when this person comes to mind You're going to reframe that and you're going to say maybe they're thinking of me right now. The reason why I framed it as a maybe it's because if you say they're thinking about me right now, then I feel like a lie, especially if your go-to statement has been they're ignoring me they don't care. So if you suddenly change it to a bold statement like suddenly that they do care from they don't care. It's going to feel like a lie. You don't want to have a statement that feels like a lie. You want to have a statement? Isn't that feels approachable that feels possible? So I'm a real big fan of the maybe or the what if or wouldn't it be lovely or possibly your just something that piques your interest something that gets you out of that usual go-to statement that you've been existing in you might have been existing in this go to statement for a really long time. Sometimes even years if you've been trying at this for a long time you want to break this trend you want to They go to a go-to statement. That's much more empowering much more in line with what you want to receive because your tomorrows are going to be based on whatever the foundation is that you're giving out right now. You give out energy by thinking thoughts that making judgments by making statements on life and what you think is possible. What you think is possible for them to do what you think is possible in your own life. So, of course this person is going to come to mind. I don't suggest to try to forget about this person because that's kind of going to create resistance and going to create anxiety because you're going to all the time be trying to forget them and that doesn't work you're gonna think of them because they're important to you. But when you think of them first statement the first idea the first imagining after that has to be something empowered. It has to be something strong. It has at least suggest the possibility at something strong. So even if we Just kind of ditched the usual go-to statement that you've been having and like I said, usually when people are struggling to attract a specific person to be in love with them. They usually thinking- go-to statements. Like why haven't they called I bet they're off doing something amazing and I'm not there or this idea of if they're happy right now. They don't need me. So we're going to try to change those statements. So what I want you to do is I want you to start being aware of your thoughts. I'm not asking you to control your thoughts and that asking you to micromanage of thoughts. I'm asking you to just create simple awareness simple mindfulness. Once you become mindful of then you can better reshape your feelings and your thoughts and your energy to support more of what you want. So your reflex statements, for example, maybe you send them a text message and they don't respond. You don't want the first thing to come to mind to be a well. They don't care. They're ignoring me there with this other person. They're off doing something wonderful and they're excluding me instead try to change it to something like well, maybe they just haven't seen the message yet. And when they do they're gonna respond right away. Or maybe they are pausing for a moment to say just the right thing to me. Maybe they're constructing their response. 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Welcome to the steroids podcast with your voice Dan the bodybuilder sometime. The steroids podcast is brought to you by Ultimate Guide to roids 109 page ebook by Dan the bodybuilder from Thailand now for the first time in bodybuilding history, you have someone with no corporate interests and no obligation to please anyone not walking on eggshells to not offend. Ultimate God towards gives you the information the whole information the whole truth not a full truth and a half Truth full truth. Ultimate Guide to roids gives you the keys to the Lamborghini gives you the information and lets you decide what to do with it. It's a crime. This information has been suppressed this long now, let's get on with the podcast. Okay, welcome my friends to the steroids podcast. First question of today is Pietro asks quick question, Dan, which way is easier to maintain a muscular and lean physique person a who takes one gram of tests with 300 milligrams of trend Ace or person B who takes one gram of test one gram of primo bowline and for I use of pharmaceutical grade growth hormone per day. Okay. Nice. Nice question. This is a really juicy question. So I'm gonna go with the second option. I actually think it's it's a little stronger the second option 1 gram of Prima Bolin. That's like pretty damn strong. You know, you're going to be getting serious gains when you're on one gram of Primo, Bolin. Which is the same way that 300 milligrams of kinases you're getting like serious gains, but when you have a gram of test stacked with a gram of Prima Bolin, that's like really strong and then you add that for our use a farm of growth hormone in there. And your cycle is going to be pretty out of control like pretty much you're going to be loving it. Like thinking wow being on steroids is great. I love this. If you're using the cycle because you're going to be feeling good. You're gonna be feeling great. You're gonna be performing great. You're going to feel great when you're out of the gym in the gym is going to be like no side effects, you know like as in like mentally bothered or anything like that. No, nothing like that and your body's going to be performing and recovering at a very high level. Everything's going to be great. So I think that that cycle it's more expensive it can build more muscle and it's more effective. I think the one gram Primo with one gram of tests and for our use of human growth hormone per day. I think it would be more effective. You know, it's so arbitrary and strange to have to throw out numbers, but I know that everybody wants me to or some people at least want me to throw out a number so I'd say that if I had put a John it, I would say. In my opinion one gram of test stacked with 300 milligrams of tremble on as a cycle as compared to 1 gram of test plus 1 gram of pre mobile and and for our use of farm great human growth hormone as a cycle. I would think that that would be roughly 20% stronger option to you. Could the cap the cap on what you're able to do would be maybe 20% more but you know on either of those Cycles you can get huge. I'm talking huge. So there's no issue with either of them, you know, both of those would be a good cycle if you're looking to get Really big and be getting huge. Those are good Cycles next question Paolo asks, and I saw you talking something about letrozole to block estrogen. So between letrozole aromasin and Arimidex, which would you advise me? And what would be the effective doses bro? I know already in your cycle you to have letrozole Okay, I I like letrozole because it's so effective. It's stronger. Like one tablet of letrozole is stronger than one tablet of eczema stain, which is stronger than one tablet of Arimidex. So that's like how or in order how they go the dosages the normal tablet of letrozole is two point five milligrams. The normal dosage of the XMS stain is 25 milligrams per tablet and the normal dosage of the Arimidex is one milligram per tablet. And yeah, that's how it goes letters. All is the strongest eczema stain is medium strong and a room at X is the weakest, but they all work. They all work good for suppressing estrogen. I personally create a lot of estrogen. That's the way that my physiology is. So when I take more than a gram of testosterone per week or a Grimm, I have to take you know around four or five lectures all tablets per week to deal with the estrogen conversion for That so like if I took one gram of testosterone or 1.25, so 1250 milligrams of testosterone per week. Then I would need to take like, you know, three four five tablets possibly even six tablets of letrozole per week and you know different people convert testosterone to estrogen Different rates than other people. This is one of the things that super individual because I've also known guys who have used testosterone dosages like that and not even had estrogen symptoms. Like maybe they were a little bit bloated or something but they're fine and they don't like it. They can just not even run any aromatase inhibitor. No anti estrogen pill, but most guys do have to run it and I would say that the average dosage for guys that were running a Ram or so, 1,000 milligrams that's means one gram of testosterone or a little bit more per week taking that much injected per week. I would say that the average the average guy would need two or three tablets of two point five milligrams letrozole. Per week and I need more like four or five so I'm on the high end personally. So if I'm doing a high testosterone cycle, I like to use letrozole since I'm on the high end. I would definitely have to take on a thousand milligrams or a thousand two hundred fifty milligrams or 1,500 milligrams of testosterone per week. I would definitely have to take one egg semester and tablet 25 milligrams every Good day, if I use that as my escort anti-estrogen instead of letrozole. So I my preference is X investing. I like running XMS dang. It makes me feel good. It's actually a steroid. It's related to the molecule for Andros tonetti all like the old prohormone for ad it used to be sold. I think by the brand Ergo farm and it was sold in G and C is a prohormone to testosterone called for androstenedione warts at for Andros jannetty all different versions of it and That hormone that prohormone is very similar to eczema stain. So when the eczema stain, which is also a steroid, but it's like a this prohormone type steroid. It's doesn't have it does have a little bit of anabolic effects just a little bit or yeah, but it that when the aroma taste enzyme finds this stuff right because that enzymes floating around in your blood and then the exam S10 when you take the tablet is also floating. And in your blood and when they find each other the eczema stand the aromasin thinks that the it thinks that the eczema stain is testosterone or prohormone to testosterone. And so then when the eczema stain binds to it it then knocks it out and neutralizes the aromatase enzyme so it acts to like Attract it and then when it binds with it neutralize it's kind of like a decoy. That's the mechanism how the exit resting works. Oh one thing that I wanted to talk about to was that so some people had some some questions about how the aromatase Inhibitors work. So they all work basically on that premise but Arimidex and letrozole aren't actually steroid molecules. There are different type of molecule. And there yeah, that's the thing with them. These are very insignificant scientific details that were discussing right now that don't really matter. But so the only way that science knows that these things work is by doing that aromatase enzyme knockout thing in the blood that I was talking about where they seek out or when they come in contact. There's an attraction between the aromatase enzyme in the blood and then the Aromatase inhibitor and then they bind and it neutralizes the aromatase enzyme which means that there's nothing in the blood that converts testosterone into estrogen anymore because normally the testosterone molecule binds with the aromatase enzyme and forms estrogen. Okay. So the eggs msdn binds with it instead, but the thing is is that it also just reduces estrogen levels in your body without without even the aromatase enzyme now science doesn't know about this. If they can't explain this effect and you know, if you ask people how how does an aromatase inhibitor work they will say, you know, not this way but you know for people who have experienced aromatase Inhibitors and know what they have the effects on like when we're using steroids, you know, it's not like they've been doing tests the these people who who are testing these drugs and Labs. It's not like they're doing tests on steroid users. And so we know that when you take those it has an immediate effect. When you take any kind of anti estrogen it has an immediate effect that comes on with an hour's it's not something where like, oh if your estrogen is high your you're fucked and when you take the anti-estrogen like the letters are the room of X or the exam S10, then it will just reduce the enzyme but you're going to be stuck with all the estrogen the already converted. No, it is not like that. We all know that when we take those tablets within hours the symptoms go down. Okay, so directly attacks that estrogen, you know, people will debate about that because you know, the science hasn't figured that out yet. You know, they don't know all the ways that drug work drugs work, but I know that some of these these science guys, you know, they'll come in here and they'll put up a big fuss about this because you know what guys with some of the stuff with bodybuilding you have to learn that it's not just a science approach like Bro Science absolutely has a place in this you can observe things happening and know that they're happening and just because Science says something else if you disregard it. Well, then you're going to look like those freaking scientists dude those scientists and their followers. It's it's fucking pathetic. They're like the Pharisees did Jesus seriously and that also goes for the people that are on the If It Fits your Macros bandwagon being the end-all be-all of dieting that is not true. And you know, what if you have if you have experience doing this, you know, that that is not true. True because there is a massive difference. Okay between eating all kinds of shitty food that is not filled with nutrients and then eating food that is like natural and comes unprocessed from the ground and eating animals or animal products and stuff like that that are you know naturally sourced. It makes a huge difference in the way that body building works. So some of these some of these people that are that are too into this the science approach you got Learn that there is absolutely value in Bro Science and just because science doesn't know stuff doesn't mean that we bodybuilders haven't found out stuff. Okay, so that's that's how I feel about the anti estrogens. It's not scientific that they actually go in there and reduce estrogen but we know as bodybuilders in the real world that they have that effect and they start working within hours of taking them. They don't just knock out the enzyme they reduce the level of estrogen. estrogen in the body quickly All right next question. Matt asks how would you compare us arm cycle to attest intron cycle. I man, this is a funny question man. It's not it's not the same thing. It's not like the same league. Okay, that's all it is to say. Okay, you know the storms they work like steroids. They work they attach to your Origin receptors the same way that steroids do and they stimulate the receptors. Right? But they're not steroids. They're not they're not hormone molecules. They're a different type of molecule. Okay, but they still go and find the receptor the Androgen receptor and still attached to it and make the trick the antigen receptor into thinking it's a steroid but it isn't really right. So it produces steroid like effects and people who use a lot of farms, you know, They get results that are way more than natural is right. They don't look like Juiced up monsters. I've never seen a Psalm monster walking around. Okay. I just haven't I've never seen the any monsters where I've been like. Oh my God, he's ass arms monster. He's a monster on Psalms that just UPS arms monster over there never happened never happened. So It's all about the the roids. If you're trying to get huge if you're trying to be like Juiced up, but if you're trying to get an advantage over natural, like it will give you a huge advantage over natural. It's nothing like creatine your protein. I use them in my own Cycles because when I get if I feel toxic or something or like I don't want to use oral steroids that like high dosages. The thing is is that with the testosterone. On it always works better when you put something else with it. It really that has Synergy whenever you add something to testosterone, right? So a cycle that I use is like putting a thousand milligrams of testosterone and then if I am running something like Winstrol or Anna draw or super drawl and I start to feel sick or like my eyes started to look a little weird. There's a thing where your eyes can start to look a little dull or a little bit reddish and that's a sign that there's trouble going on and you need to stop. So if I do that I can actually have my my health markers. Go back to normal if I just trade the steroid out and put this arm instead and it's not liver toxic and I looked up studies of them because they've been they got invented by drug companies and they've been being researched since the late 90s. So like right after steroids got made controlled substances in the the last year the 80s and it's like 1989 or 1990 one of those years then then the Farms they started getting researched as an alternative by drug companies right away and they've been doing tests on him ever since and they show that they are there tolerated like by the digestive organs a lot better. They don't have to have the same kind of chemical molecules attached to them as oral steroids do to make it pass through the liver like this arms. They don't stress the liver. So that's what I do and It's just nice to be able to run testosterone and then get like a you know, it's not as strong as running the high testosterone with like 50 milligrams of winstrol per day added to that like a thousand milligrams of testosterone and a thousand milligrams of wind or no, sorry thousand milligrams of testosterone per week and 50 milligrams of winstrol per day. Okay compared to 2000 milligrams of testosterone per week and 15 milligrams of GD 4033 sarm. Okay. Well that that adding that that's arm versus adding that Winstrol it would have been like half as effective to add this arm. It would have liked that much like Firepower and giving me like a boost or advantage in the gym and with building muscle and stuff like that and then with s23 which seems to me to be stronger a little bit higher dosage, but I like s Better than I like lgd 4033 because s23 gives me a very strong focus. It seems to go right to my brain and give me and also my skin sweating in the gym right after taking it and if I take it that day, then I'm going to be sweating in the gym hard and it gives me more of a focused like aggression feeling emotional Outburst feeling and that's on the first day taking at 30 milligrams per day. So I like that one. That's my favorite song as 23 at 30 to 60 milligrams per day. So adding that 30 milligrams or 45 milligrams or 60 milligrams of s 23 per day or the lgd 4033 at like 15 to 20 milligrams per day with my thousand milligrams of testosterone is a non-toxic way for me to get more benefits and you know a moderate light. There would affect and add it to my cycle without it being toxic to my body. So I'm down with that. I like that. So that's what I think of that next question young Shane asks, I've run out of a room attacks. I have been having some guy no symptoms Ichi and sensitive nipples. This has been going on for about three weeks. Is it possible to still reverse the effect of gyno with Nova decks if So, what's the protocol? Thank you for helping me out by the way down. Love all your content on YouTube. Thanks young Shane. Yeah, I advise going to my website bodybuilder in Thailand.com. This this podcast is steroids podcast.com. Okay, so that's where you guys go to submit questions that you want on the podcast leave a comment there. But with bodybuilder and Thailand.com, that's my personal website. It and on that page there is a article called how to shrink and get rid of gyno and it covers the topic extensively. Okay how to if you have some guy know some hard build up behind your nipple. It feels like, you know, a good-sized marble the marble sized or bigger frozen peas or something like that back there how to shrink and get rid of guy know so you can't like destroy it completely from your Your body but if you've already got some of that hard tissue down back there you can shrink it and the way that you do that is that you gotta go off the the steroids. You got to go off any testosterone or any d-ball or any Deca really anything that makes any testosterone that makes any estrogen at all or any female hormones at all. You got to go off of it and then once you're off of it, then you take the his inhibitor preferably exam esta in and you take like at least three or four per week at least three or four per week, you know, maybe maybe even one 25 milligram tablet every single day, you know, because we're trying to do something here. We're trying to shrink this thing in your nipple and at the same time you take in Nova decks tamoxifen and taking that at like at least 20 milligrams per day at a minimum, but it works better. If you can go up to 40 and 60 milligrams per day, especially You have like a bad case of gyno like 60 milligrams per day because you may have to like really nuke that thing and so because these are kind of aggressive dosages I'm saying like taking a lot of aromatase inhibitor. If you don't have access to eggs amidst and then you'd have to take like, you know, like four or five lectures all tablets per week in order to get this effect or take like one room at X every single day or something to get this kind of effect and then on top of that being off this off the steroids Ed's then you got to be using the tamoxifen Nova dicks at 20 to 40 to 60 milligrams per day and it nukes that that tissue that breast tissue that you've got grown back there because it completely takes all the estrogen out of the body. So estrogen levels like Zip and then and then the on top of that the Nova decks goes in there and blocks any stray estrogen or anything that might be going on at the nipple directly right there and then And that will like kill that tissue that tissue needs estrogen to live and so it shrinks a ton and it shrinks permanently. When you stop doing this when once it gets shrunk down you can stop this protocol and it won't come back like you just wait and keep doing it until it gets shrunk down and I mean you should start getting results after like a week and should have it like shrunk down as much as it can shrink down after like two or three weeks of an aggressive. Of guy no shrinking protocol like that how to shrink and get rid of gyno. So some people also ask Raloxifene, you know, they're like, oh I've heard that raloxifene is like 90 times stronger in the nipple or something at blocking estrogen than tamoxifen all the decks. And yeah, it is a little bit stronger. I've used it I've used from the pharmacy both both types raloxifene in Nova decks and you know, the relaxed feeling really isn't significantly really any stronger than all the dicks is quite a lot cheaper and also when I can Increase the dosage and get the same effect as taking the raloxifene. So there was a little difference but it's not going to be like some kind of a miracle pill. I think just going the route of the Nova decks. Like ideally what you want to get is Nova decks and eczema stain, and these would be the most two principal components and then I just want to say one other thing too. If your guy Noah came from tremble own or Deca you're going to have to be using cab. We're Golan while you're doing this or primeape axle while you're doing this and the dosage of priming pixel per day that you need if you're doing this because okay the tremble own and the DECA gyno is caused by a different mechanism is caused by a prolactin mechanism mixed with an estrogen mechanism, but it can kind of even just do it by itself. And this is more finicky and harder harder to get rid of okay, but what you have to do for this stuff for this kind of guy I know is Same estrogen and estrogen protocol discussed before plus you gotta add in pramipexole at about 1 milligram per day or half milligram per day, but you have to work up to those dosages in tenth of a milligram increases because it'll make you like so sick and throw up unless you you know, move it up like 1/10 of a milligram starting with 1/10 of a milligram. So 100. Alms and then move up to 200 micrograms and then like maybe like after 10 days. You'll be up to 1 minute 1 milligram per day, but that stuff that stuff can really make you sick. So they use it. They use it in Parkinson's disease for people who are dopamine deficient because dopamine is called anti prolactin hormone also its counter balancing hormones. So when dopamine levels or dopamine receptors are stimulated it brings down estrogen signaling. Sorry. Prolactin it brings when those dopamine receptors were levels are high it brings down prolactin signaling. Okay, and so that's why they use these drugs called prolactin agonists stimulate the my bad. Let me go back on that. I'm getting my tongue twisted getting my tongue twisted. Let's get focused here. So that's why they have the things called the dopamine agonists like pramipexole. And cabergoline. Okay, that class of drugs is called dopamine Agonist and it acts to reduce prolactin effects in the body. So Trend Malone and deca Dino come from this sort of thing. You got to use the tamoxifen Nova decks with the eggs and messing with the cabergoline. Okay, screw the pramipexole. I told you why already why it sucks. Okay, so you don't want to be using that you want to be using cabergoline? Okay. Cabergoline is also dangerous because it can make heart valve changes in high dosages or total cumulative lifetime dosage. So it's mostly been studied in studies. I have read that it has been safe relatively safe up to one point five milligrams per week. Okay. So keep that in mind when you're using cabergoline. Okay, and Not a doctor and this is not medical advice. But the normal dosage that is used is point five milligrams. One two, or three times per week with the anti-estrogen protocol that was stated before to get rid of and Shrink Trend and decagon. Okay. Whoo. Dino is a tricky tricky one. No one wants guy. No, no one wants guy now, so it's very important and good thing. We just spent a lot of time on that. That so that everybody can hopefully hopefully, you know not have to wrestle with that. You know, some people have to get surgery if it's big but usually you can shrink it if it's not very big. So make sure to check out that how to shrink and get rid of gyno article on bodybuilder in Thailand.com. Let's go on in the next question. Next question is from Nile and he asks, thanks. Answering my last question on the podcast. I have another question for the podcast does taking T3 with coffee affect the drug. And he also asks does front-loading long-acting Esters actually make it kick in even faster. Yeah. So T3 has a pretty potent effect on the way your heart feels and a lot of people that take T3 don't like the feeling of taking that because was it makes your heart have some Rhythm problems where the Rhythm will go kind of weird and it won't be a steady consistent Rhythm and it can also make it have bouts of pounding. We're like, the the heart valves are like slamming shut really hard and you can look down at your chest and you can see your chest going in and out and it can give it can just be freaky, you know, it can definitely be a bit freaky seeing that and can really cause some anxiety and then on top of that Thor roid hormone T3 is a stimulating hormone in the first place. So it can sort of give you a little bit of more anxiety in the first place and then you're having this heart shit going on man. That shit is not fun. And then the other thing is that it like it's so powerful and so powerfully catabolic and like energy consuming that it makes it like deactivates the steroids that you're on. So even if you're like running Trend and you and you add In like 50 like 50 micrograms per day of T3 thyroid hormone, like and you don't change anything but things were going good before like your gains will come to like a grinding halt like he kind of muscle size gains. It's like this stuff is so powerful. I used to think about it and I'd be like damn this little thing. I'd be like on a big steroid cycle, right and I'd be like looking at this little tablet and I'd be like this tiny little piece of shit has the power to fuck up. Overpower all of this other steroids that I'm taking what the hell is this? I was like what the hell is this powerful acetyl tablet? Okay, so do not underestimate the power of that stuff T3. Okay, you know, it does not enhance your performance except for if you take it right before an athletic event because then it has that stimulating effect. But other than that no it you know, it's going to make you a weaker T3 is going to make you weaker. If you have to take thyroid hormone to speed up your metabolism because it is real that you know, if you restrict carbs your metabolism slows down a lot and it's mainly because your body stops converting T4 to T3 active thyroid hormones. So T 4 is in active thyroid hormone. It's a prohormone to T3 and you can get this instead and you know, the normal dosage is of T3. Thyroid hormone is like 25 to 50 milligrams per day. That's the Dosages used by bodybuilders, but with tea for thyroid hormone. The typical dosages used is anywhere from a hundred to two hundred million micrograms per day and some even up to 400 micrograms per day, but that would be way too much that would be way too much and then when you have that abundance of t for thyroid hormone in your body, then your body converts it at a certain rate and it's just not as harsh. It's not as Harsh as the taking the actual active T3 and there's less performance degrade meant there's less of an impact on how hard you can train in the gym and how big you can get and how strong you can be and stuff like that because T3 really affects those things. It really makes those things decrease but T4, it's not as harsh. It's a little bit t for thyroid. Hormone is Little bit more forgiving yeah, the thyroid really does slow down to if you're dieting and you're not eating carbs. And when it does that you'll notice like your heart. You're like much more calm and your heart is like beating slower all the time and but you have like a good steady energy all throughout the day. That's the way that having the low thyroid makes you feel and then so some people like like to use thyroid hormone when they're dieting because then they don't have to eat carbs and they can keep on losing fat a super fast rate a super high rate and they don't really need like cheat meals and things like that to keep their metabolism rolling. They can take the thyroid hormone instead and burn through their fat really quickly not need to take re foods and things like that in order to keep their metabolism up. You'll stop getting hot if you're eating carbs and you working out and you're taking steroids you'll be And your body like you'll even see it on your skin your skin will change color a little bit as if you're a little bit hotter. You'll sweat easier. You'll sweat more in the gym. You'll sweat you'll be more likely to sweat or heat up feel hot after you finish eating. So if you take T three tablets to it increases those things that's another way that T3 can be very very uncomfortable. It increases the rate. Eight of energy consumption of like every cell in your body. So it makes your cells need to have more oxygen to so you like out of breath on T3 thyroid hormone. It makes you feel out of breath any you need more oxygen, but your lungs are the same size and then it also Heats you up it increases your body temperature like no matter if you're dieting or not. You stay hot all the time as if you were eating carbs all the time and stuff like that. And you can get really hot in the gym and feel like low in oxygen really hot and then it can be messing with your heart to and making you have irregular rhythms or have your heart slamming like it's not fun stuff. That's why I'm saying like me and you know, a lot of my guys that I know that you know were more on the responsible side, or at least trying to be we're trying to like be realistic and be bodybuilding. But at the same time trying to be as responsible as we can because that's my attitude. Now, that's the way that I feel most of us. We don't like thyroid hormones, you know, we're not into that not into T3 don't believe that it's necessary except for like maybe the last bit before somebody was trying to do a bodybuilding contest, but no, I don't like that stuff. So that's that's how I feel about T3 and coffee. That was your question does coffee affected. Yeah. It makes your heart go more psycho. All right, and then the answer does does front-loading long-acting Esther's actually make it kick in even faster like tremble on an ante or testosterone and ante so front-loading is when you take double the dosage for one week. Or two weeks before or at the beginning of a cycle to try and get the blood levels of the steroid up in your system really high really fast people used to believe that testosterone and Anthony took a few weeks to Peak and the blood levels of it actually Peak only 24 hours and then they're kind of like out of the blood like 7 to 14 days after you take that first shot of testosterone dentate. That's really when you stop feeling the effects from a shot somewhere between like more like 10 to 14 days after the last shot. But the the blood levels are up really high, but the main reason why you don't feel the effects of a steroid cycle for a few weeks when you first start or it ramps up the intensity of the steroid cycle for the first, you know, one two three weeks you get an increasing ramp of intensity and how well the steroids seem to be working. and that's because it takes time for the Androgen receptor when it gets stimulated on the outside of the muscle cells and the rest of the body's cells by all the extra steroids in your blood that aren't natural or that are being that are natural testosterone, but being injected from the outside, it takes time for that message to get transported over and over again from the Androgen receptor on the outside of the cells into the DNA of the cell the nucleus and make these changes in the way expresses itself that that kind of that kind of process. It doesn't just happen instantly overnight it gets it happens a bit instantly overnight but it gets stronger and stronger and as time goes on up to a peak around like four or five weeks in were six weeks in and of your cycle. So front-loading is a way to be trying to get this effect to happen quicker one way to just get over that is to use short Esters like For tremble own acetate or for testosterone propionate because those the full effects of those kick in after like a week. They just kick way harder because they send these huge more spiking signals to your to your receptors in your body. There's like a much larger dosage being slammed of milligrams being slammed into your bloodstream at one time. It's all released mostly within 24 to 48 hours after taking it instead of being prolonged over two or three weeks. Release like along Esther and ante so has a more like whammo Wham-O shoot effect and your muscles shoot shoot shoot. And feels feels good. I prefer those quick Esters. But only if it's pharmaceutical-grade only if it's pharmaceutical grade because I don't like having any injection problems. That's one of the things that after Maya my infection. I said no more UGL no more. Yu-Gi-Oh only inject things that are pharmaceutical grade. I'll take a table tablets that are UGL. Okay, but I'm not going to inject anything that is not pharmaceutical grade anymore. Because I'm like, I'm not taking any more chances on infections shooting some bad shit into my leg or something. What the hell so my first cycle ever I front-loaded so I I was doing 600 milligrams of testosterone per week and I front-loaded it. I shot 600 milligrams of test 400. So one point five milliliters of test 400 into each Ventral glue on my left and right side to make 1,200 milligrams on that first on that first shot and then for the rest of the shots. I just I just went on a continued with 600 milligrams per week and it didn't really do much to be honest. I didn't really from the cycles that I've run since then and seeing the come up time of the testosterone until long after testosterone. Mine was test 438. It's It's pretty much the same whether you front loaded or not. Pretty much just takes the same amount of time same way with like the oral steroids. If you take them at low dosages or high dosages to start out. It doesn't really change how fast they come on or how many hours or how many days they take to really have the full effects whether you start out with a low dosage or higher dosage like the peak effects will be more with the higher dosage, but they both take you know, no matter how much you take takes a few days. Come on, and you know with an oral steroid, it's you're not really going to be feeling it all that much until the third day and then you'll definitely be feeling it on the fifth day and by the seventh day to the 10th day, you'll be getting like full Peak effects happening with orals. That's that's pretty much how they work. Alright, so let's get on to the next question. Read this here. This one is from Karthik. My arm is very weak how to get bulk bro. Help me bro, not rich guys, but I have to move high level and bodybuilding. I know you have the best heart help me bro. I read your book. It's awesome, bro. Ha ha ha. All right, if you you got you want to get your arms bigger. So dude, you have to eat a lot of food. That's None of the steroids that you're taking can work effectively unless you're eating a lot of food and you know, the number one muscle building food is carbohydrates. Like it just is it doesn't really make a lot of sense scientifically, but if you combine protein at a moderate intake with as many freaking carbohydrates as you can and yeah that will help you gain weight to but it's not as important to gaining weight. Weight and gaining muscle as carbs and protein so you just eat as much of that like rice rice or that's probably the best the best muscle building food right there. As long as you have some kind of protein with it each day and having as much of it as possible is like one of the best ways to get bigger. So you're going to have to do that to get your arms bigger. and if you do that and you combine it with common or or Cycles frequent cycles of 50 milligrams of d-ball per day with like one shot of testosterone per week or a hundred milligrams of an adult per day cycles like that with one shot of testosterone per week and doing those Cycles commonly for like eight weeks. Or you could do something like because I don't know what kind of gear you have access to it. And also you're saying you don't have a lot of money. So I'm trying to think of how you could get the biggest for the cheapest. That's why I'm talking about the rice and I'm talking about the Orioles with the low injections because the Orioles are always cheaper than the injections usually a whole cycle of orals of oral steroids in any country because steroids are kind of the same price all On the world is around 50 US dollars or 75 US dollars for one. That's the typical prices that you'll find on the black market for what you'll need how much oral steroids you'll need of various types for to do a cycle with it. So if you have access to testosterone though, or Deca or equipoise or pretty Mobile in which are more expensive all of those are more expensive then you could use those and you could and if you had access to a lot of testosterone, then you could take a thousand milligrams. So four milliliters of testosterone per week and just that is enough just that is enough with the with the eating a ton of rice and some protein just like shoveling down the price and just doing that is enough. That's enough steroids. Thousand milligrams of testosterone per week. You can get huge huge on that but it's even better if you can add a couple milliliters or a few hundred milligrams of DACA or equipoise or Prima bowling per week, or if you could add if you could do the testosterone the healthiest way the healthiest way to do your goal would be if you could do the testosterone 1,000 milligrams per week and you could do that a lot of the time not cycling off too much. And then you take some of those oral steroids like 30 milligrams of d-ball for 8 weeks sometimes or fifty to a hundred milligrams of Anna draw for six to eight weeks. Sometimes sprinkled in here and there that's how you get big like doing those things. If you don't have a lot of money to spend on stuff and you can get super big doing that. Alright, next question is from Vin's. Hey, bro. Saw that you use Jin tropen. What are your thoughts on this? Do you consider gin tropen as Farm great human growth hormone or generic? Yeah. Jen troponin is legit human growth hormone. It's produced in China for the Russian market for the Russian hospitals. So Russia also produces. Stuff like naughty troponin and really high-end growth hormone to but they do use this gin tropen in Russia in hospitals. And that's why the box is in Russian, but it's produced in China at this facility. They're called Genentech and they've been producing growth hormone there at that facility. For something something around 20 years or so by now maybe a little bit less than that, maybe 15 years, but it's been a long time that they've been producing growth hormone at that facility over there and they've they've had a long reputation for doing having all the equipment and scientists and chemists that they need their and making it. So yeah in my personal experience with ginger open. I don't think it's quite as strong actually as as an ordeal. Been in like a naughty troponin ordeal at pain which is the pre cartridge the pain that is it comes in the like a rectangular box and then you open it and there's like the pain inside that looks like an insulin injection pain and that's the naughty tropen. Naughty let pain and you know what in my opinion For for hmm for I use of Nordy tropen probably felt the same as 5 I use of gin tropen per day or you know, that's really splitting hairs. You know, it's really hard to say. It's really hard to say or maybe the same as 6 I use of Ginger open predict because I do think that the Nordy troponin is A little bit noticeably stronger stronger. I do and in tests that I've seen the I don't know the exact number, but I remember that the testing for how much of the 191 amino acid human growth hormone molecule was in the Gentry open. The percentage was slightly lower was like 2 or 3 percentage points lower if I remember correctly than the naughty tropen on the test. So it you know, it is produced in China. It is real. It's not quite As good as top of the line stuff like Jenna tropen or Teatro pin, which is the best human growth hormone produced in the world, but it works and it gives the same effects. It doesn't have any added shit effects. Like if you take generics or something like that, if you take generics, it has all these added shit effects and then it has it not the right effect. It doesn't work, right you will be so disappointed. It's just like not the same and that is an absolute fact. It is not the same. And everyone knows it everyone who has experienced knows that I'm saying is true. That is a fact, but the the The Jinn tropen it's good. OK it works and it doesn't have any added effects. It doesn't have any added bloating as soon as you start taking it at only like 2 or 2 to 4. I use per day right as soon as you start taking it within three to five days or even two days your body starts looking different. You just look in the mirror and you're like what the fuck and I like the silhouette of your body has changed. I just think that the naughty tropen is the is better at burning fat though like Like yeah, the gentleman Burns a lot of fat but that naughty to open like rips through fat like rips through it. You start taking that shit and it's like it's just like Kaboom like a lot of fat gone after only like 30 days like a lot so I don't think the Gent ropin really burns the fat quite so effectively like that like so shockingly effectively like the Nordic open, but I do think that the troponin gets you it still burns fat really. Well, like really well, but just a little bit less like a freaking Thunderbolt like that like Nordic open and but then the way that it makes you big and the way that it makes your food function good and recover from workouts and the way that it gives you a cosmetic effect and separation in your muscles burns fat right at those separation points of the muscles and and makes you look good. It is comparable. The only the only difference that I would say between I would just say that naughty tropen burns fat better than Ginger open. Other than that, I think it's the same and I think naughty tropen. It's kind of a rumor among gym guys that naughty tropen is the best one for burning fat out of all the different farmer grades are momnent ropes aerosystems Jenna tropen Nordic open whatever it's a bit of a rumor among gym guys that naughty tropen is the best fat burner. And so other than that other than the fat-burning being better with that, I would say that I noticed identical effects from the Gentry open and the gentleman's fat burning effects still are good. And that's the only difference is that I noticed between the ginger open and the Nordic open. So like it it's good stuff. All right next question. In muscle We Trust says do you think we ever lose sensitivity to testosterone? I'm not talking about other steroids. Just pure Plain Jane test. I saw someone say that the reason why certain does stops working eventually is because myostatin increases so much it renders the dust and effective. All right. Well, here's the thing to say first. I don't think that we lose sensitivity to testosterone but as you get more muscle If you keep on doing Cycles with the same dosages, but you get more muscle. It doesn't really do much. So if you're used to getting on cycle and having a lot of strength gains and getting bigger quickly and growing a lot of muscle fast, but you're just doing the same old Cycles all the time and not increasing the dosage has it starts to get lackluster ban, and you don't build you don't really build much muscle on it. You just pretty much stay the same you're like on that level with that dosage of steroids and that's what a lot of people think by like, oh you get insensitive to it because they'll be like, well, I used to run 500 milligrams or 750 milligrams of testosterone with 25 milligrams of winstrol per day and or 20 milligrams of d-ball per day and I would just be like going like a monster like a little monster and I'd have so much power during my workouts and feel like all the food that I was eating was going right to my muscles, right, but after they get big enough, there's a point where that doesn't really And support the muscle in that way anymore, you know, it's more of that dosage is needed to just maintain kind of like good function of those muscles at that size rather than like, excellent superhuman function. And so you stop feeling so incredibly strong and Progressive and more and more growing muscle all the time using those same dosages. So then guys are like, oh, well, you know, I'm desensitized to it, but they're not really desensitized to it. They're just bigger now and it doesn't have the same effect. For them anymore. It's not enough muscle. It's not enough steroids to give that amount of muscle those super performance enhancing effects. One of the things that people say is that using steroids for a long time or at high doses increases myostatin, but it's the opposite in the research that has been done where they actually like measure this with blood tests when they give testosterone injections in humans. It decreases the level of Mile Statin in the people's money. muscles So steroids decrease myostatin and the thing with this is that the biggest guys this is just a fact the biggest guys who are the guys who were on the biggest doses for the longest amount of time and they have to be doing the other things correct to obviously they have to be doing the training and diet, correct? Okay mainly the diet, but the guys who are on and and you know some training Effective training at least effective training and then they're on the most dosages the highest dosages and the most amount of drugs. Well, those are the biggest guys. That's just the way it is. That's the way like building is so, you know, and those guys don't really go off either. They don't really go off their Crews dosages will be like one gram of test and 400 milligrams of darka or 200 milligrams of trying or something like that. This is real stuff. I'm not kidding you people on the internet. The internet is so PC about steroid use but in the world world what people are using in gyms and what people are using who are on Instagram or YouTube or competing in competitions. They're doing all this stuff I'm talking about so it that's when you know, Jason Blaha talks about people in bodybuilding. He said it's like just like monstrous drug abuse like absurd drug abuse and like a lot of like gay for pay stuff going on. And stuff to get especially growth hormone out of all things that happens like it's not an exaggeration and it's not like he's just talking out of his ass. Like when I first started hearing him talking about that. That was when I was like, how did he get like all this Insider information? Because I knew it was true already. So Sky says some weird things and guy says some Little Gems. All right. So next question is from Jordan. What dose do you recommend cruising on to maintain gains? Last time I cruised I was on 200 milligrams testy which put me at the very top of the normal range. I was thinking 225 to 250 milligrams. Now that I'm bigger, you know, like I said some people Cruise in the last question some people cruise on these obscene dosages and that is what it takes. You know, it's not even a cruise at all. It's a you know, huge blast but it is a cruise. Do what they're normally running which is you know, 5,000 milligrams of testosterone into grams of trend for a week or something like that. So going you know, I'm only talking about the most extreme people. Okay, when I say that understand that I'm talking about the most extreme people that is not common. I'm just saying the spectrum of what happens. Okay, what you should cruise on is you should cruise on either half a milliliter or one milliliter of testosterone per week long as your testosterone testosterone and Aunt a zippy innate or decorative wet and you know, that should be 125 to 250 milligrams per week. The way the I do it is I take one cc per week. When I do the cruising when I do the cruising I take one cc of testosterone per week. Okay, that's the dose that has absolutely zero side effects on your health. And when you go off with a steroid cycle, it's not just to like play around and like have this like Dandy little going off of steroids. All time obviously you're doing it for a reason because otherwise you'd stay on steroids all the time. Okay, you're doing it to recover. So when you go off of the steroids either stop taking everything for a little while and then go on the trt. That's usually what I do is I just let everything drain out for a month or two and then start to your tea after that for another month or two and then start another cycle. You know, that's the optimal situation for me personally, but you know 250 milligrams of testosterone. Esta stirone is not going to give you a lot of performance enhancement, but it's going to get you back to your normal self. It's going to you know, you're going to lose some size and you're not going to be in so like pumped up in the gym, but you're not going to lose a lot of muscle the actual fiber. It doesn't really go away. It just goes into hibernation. And then the next time that you go on cycle, it comes back in like one or two weeks. It really like explodes back when you go on cycle the next time if you just stay around 250 milligrams of From per week and you can do that for a long time. And when you go back on the cycle, even though your muscles start looking like way smaller, they're still there. They're just shrunk and like in hibernation and then they fill up and explode like crazy really fast. When you go back on cycle again, you'll see that like in some of my pictures you'll see me like explode like in only like one or two weeks get bigger and smaller and you'll see that with a lot of other guys and and you know, that that's actually not a bad thing. You know, some guys think you know, I I don't want to be like looking small ever or something like that. But you know what like you are harming your health if you're on high dosages of steroids all the time like you just are and it's like a ticking it's like a ticking clock like taking those small breaks where you go back to natural and shrink back down. Yeah, when you're not on freaky dosages of steroids, then you don't look so freaky and big and cool and you know, then when you get off of those and shrink down like that, that's What happens when you get off of that stuff and you shrink down a bit and you know, you feel back to normal. It kind of reminds you like what exactly normal feels like and then you can get your health back completely because that's not affecting your health negatively and then, you know, just boost back up right up big again. And I know that some people they don't ever want to be small. But if you just do this it will help you just maintain a more realistic perspective and just remember to not be too serious about yourself be Well to have a little bit more humility and things like that and also it will help it should help your self-esteem honestly because you'll just be more in touch with reality instead of you know, constantly using the performance enhancement and then over time. It's just natural to believe if you don't go off cycle because a lot of guys don't go off cycle. That's just the way it is. A lot of guys just don't go off. They just are on for years they free on for years and they never got off. I told you that I'm going to tell you guys the full spectrum of what happens because everybody talks about the PC side of it on the internet. So I'm just telling you about what happens in normal Jim's. Okay, so that's that. I think it's always good to cruise on 200 or 250 milligrams of testosterone one milliliter and just call it a day at that. And then when you're ready to blow back up, yeah go on steroids and blow right back up. It's more fun that way anyways. And yeah, you can maintain your muscle. Alright next question last question of the day Joel asks Super Draw at the end of a cut to get freaky look for a few weeks or would upping the trend and adding wind straw. What's the best way at the end of a cut to get the best look for a few weeks? Yeah Super Draw. So this is superjaws Talent. Okay is hardening the muscles and creating a really hard basically Winstrol look while At the same time blowing your muscles up from within with fuel storage quickly and only a few days better than any other steroid. Even Tren it will make you get an instant bigger cosmetic effect, but also being hard at the same time like d-ball maybe a it. Probably for sure gets you the biggest the quickest in appearance the ball does but d-ball. It's not real, you know, it's it's not as hard. Well, it's not real the Superbowl either but it's more real and also the diabolo look watery and swollen. But with the super draw you look hard and dry. So that's the difference in the Cosmetic characteristics between the two and super jaw will get you it will allow you to eat more carbs and Fillmore of those carbs up inside your muscles and make your muscles be very full and pushing out against the skin and the you know, No, really pushing out the fibers pushing out and helping to have a 3D look it will do that better than any other steroid that there is but it will not get quite the signature. Look that signature boxy. Look that tremble on does it can approximate it and and mimic it but it just it just isn't going to do the same thing. You said Trend ballon combined with wind straw combine two. Super Draw and you know the person on the trend and the wind straw, you know, they're probably going to look better if they were even if it was one guy doing two cycles of the to he'd probably look better on the Wind straw, but the superjaws Great and the super draw it makes you freaking huge the Superdrug. I would be bigger you eat a lot of carbs with super draw and man it goes straight goes straight in to your muscles and it's like you can't eat enough and You don't gain fat, it has super good nutrient partitioning effects. And that's at like 20 to 30 milligrams per day of super draw and you can eat as much food as you can and you cannot gain fat. It's like Trend in that way. Also Super Draw is one of the strongest steroids, like other than tremble own Super Draw is like the best steroid it it's really good because like I said, it makes you look hard to and not watery and it makes those instant appearance of Steer physique, we're two to three to four or five days into taking it. Every single lift is stronger by a lot and you keep getting stronger and your muscle fibers feel like freaking steel chords that are indestructible and you have really good feeling in the gym like mentally like dude. I can fucking do this. I can fucking do this, you know, you look at those weights and you know, it may be pretty heavy but you're like, I can't freaking do this and then you feel it and you're like my muscles are made out of steel chords and they cannot be broken. Broken, if you're eating a lot of carbohydrates in your on Supergirl 20 to 30 milligrams per day with even just one cc of test, but it works way better with a gram of test like every other steroid then you know, it's going to be an experience student on only 20 to 30 milligrams per day. Even if you're big even even if you're a big dude and you're experienced with roids and shit and you're used to running Cycles around a gram of testosterone or Grandma's steroids, if you do that with 20 to 30 milligrams of super draw per day Added in dude. It's an experience. It's like holy shit. This stuff is insane. Even while you're eating as much food as you possibly. Can you still May and you're getting so full and your muscles like that? You still may actually even lose fat at the same time. It is the most comparable steroid to tremble on that exists it is that is like usable usable for long periods of time and really can make such dramatic changes to someone's appearance. Terrence not just their body their entire appearance within 2 to 3 to 4 weeks of taking it. There can be massive changes made with super draw. If you would like your questions to be answered on the steroids podcast go to steroids podcast.com and leave a comment with your questions or email or private message steroids podcast at gmail.com or steroids podcast on Instagram until next time.

The Steroids Podcast Episode 9  https://steroidspodcast.com 00:00 1000mg testosterone + 300mg tren ace vs. 1000mg testosterone + 1000mg primobolan + 4IU norditropin 04:40 Letrozole vs Aromasin Exemestane vs Arimidex Anastrozole 06:00 Testosterone Dosage vs Anti Estrogen Dosage 08:25 Exemestane is the best anti estrogen tablet + how exemestane works to stop conversion of testosterone to estrogen 10:05 Aromatase Inhibitor BroScience 13:50 BroScience has big value 14:28 Compare SARMS cycle to Test and Trenbolone Cycle 15:27 Juiced up SARM monsters lmao 16:14 How I sometimes use SARMS with high testosterone instead of Oral Steroids for health reasons. SARMS do not require breakdown in the liver + SARMs Toxicity 19:00 I Like S23 better than LGD-4033 20:25 Ran out of Arimidex has Gyno symptoms and hard lump behind nipple for 3 weeks, Is it possible to Shrink Gyno Bitch Tits once you have a lump? 21:20 How to shrink Gyno Bitch tits Protocol (not medical advice) + Tamoxifen vs Raloxifene 25:20 Deca and Tren Gyno 26:40 What are Dopamine Agonists like Cabergoline and Pramipexole 29:22 T3 Thyroid Hormone Effects - Heart Palpitations and Pounding Heart Thyroid side effects. Muscle Weakness, Overheating, and Loss of breath from T3 thyroid hormone 32:00 T4 Thyroid prohormone as a replacement for T3 cytomel + Thyroid Hormone Dosages used commonly by bodybuilders 33:55 Why people like to use thyroid hormones while dieting 36:41 Front Loading Long Acting Esters of Steroids to Start a Cycle 37:35 Steroid Cycle Kick in Time 40:20 Frontloaded my first week of my first steroid cycle first injection was 600mg testosterone enanthate in each ventroglute for 1200mg total 41:15 Oral Steroids Kick in Time 42:00 Using Steroids on a Budget to Get Huge 46:20 Thoughts on Jintropin Labeled with Russian Packaging 48:00 HGH: Jintropin vs Norditropin Experience 50:10 Norditropin is best Growth Hormone for Fat Loss 52:08 Androgen Receptor Desensitization + Myostatin 54:45 The Biggest Bodybuilders are on the biggest dosages of performance enhancing drugs for the longest periods of time 56:32 Testosterone Cruise Dosage to Maintain Muscle Gains from Cycle 57:50 Purpose of Cruise in Blasting and Cruising on steroids 1:01:26 Superdrol at the End of a Cut to Get Freaky or Adding Tren and using Winstrol + Trenbolone vs Superdrol and Winstrol Effects best steroid cycles ULTIMATE GUIDE TO ROIDS #1 BOOK ON TRUTH IN THE HISTORY OF BODYBUILDING bodybuilderinthailand.com/ultimate-guide-to-roids/ submit your questions for the next episode at: steroidspodcast.com instagram.com/bodybuilderinthailand User-59382539 – The-official-steroids-podcast-episode-1 This Podcast is for entertainment and conversational purposes only. This author does not support the use of illegal performance enhancing drugs. If any substances mentioned in this video are illegal in your country do not use them. Consult a doctor before beginning any exercise or supplement routine. Do not take anything mentioned in this video as advice. It is simply conversation, not advice.

Hi, Sarah. Hi Kirby. Welcome to gloss Angeles. Okay, guys, we're filming this recording this rather early because I am leaving to go to Orlando this weekend. I will be there through Monday. I'm going with heart cosmetic so fun. I can't wait to hear all about it. So they have this big ego Summit and it's basically an anti-bullying women empowerment type of a I guess at the summit you could say. Yeah, and they're bringing in a bunch of influencers and I think 25 girls teenagers come in learn about confidence and how to manage social media and all of those things. So they asked me to come in moderate the panels and MC the summit while they're putting it all together and I'm really excited because I think it's a really good cause and I've been a fan of tart for years. So it's a good thing. It's a good thing. So that being said I won't be around for the rest of the week. So that's what we're kind of. This early are by the way. I'm so excited to follow along on your trip. Thanks, but I'm also excited because you are going to Disney World. Yes, and we're going to Disney World again. I love very excited about going your content when you're at this world. Well, I'm also going to be pitching people some Disney stories. So it's also a work thing, which is pretty awesome. It's just weird because now I have to pitch outlets right instead of just going back and saying I'm writing this by yeah. Yeah, so it's a it's a different world for me. But so fun. Yeah and to have your by lines on different Publications. Yeah, and people have been so nice and supportive and I'm really excited about it. So yeah, maybe one Sarah tan might be getting a pitch that you'll have me forward. I can't wait. Okay guys. So like we said last week we have a new segment. It's called what I saw your face. Yes, Sarah's brilliant title. We're working on the jingle guys, so Now you have to listen to us, but I'm just saying it exactly jingle here Sarah what's on your face? Okay. So today I don't have that much makeup on because I went to get my lashes filled which Kirby knows I am addicted I go every two weeks to get them filled. So on days that I get them filled in and not wearing a lot of makeup because I can't get my face wet for like 24 hours after so I didn't really want to wash that much stuff off. So I am wearing tatcha water cream Which is my Favorite summertime moisturizer. It's very light the same sunscreen. I was wearing last time makeup Prem sunscreen gel benefit foolproof. Brow powder. Shout out to Jared the the Le maire lip volumizer, which is like a lip serum. Have you tried it by the way? No, I had it's so good guys lemare's not sponsoring and I keep being like we would happily accepts lemare money. Yeah, but it's just we're not yeah. But it's a really it's it's supposed to be a volumizer. I'm not using it for that. I use it because I like the applicator and it's very hydrating on my lips. Anyways, well I'm are and then I'm wearing the L'Occitane fruity lipstick which is a new product for them. It's just kind of like attempted bomb and then I spray it on some mist from a car. It's a Tibetan inspired brand just to kind of refresh because it's a little hot. Okay awesome. Yeah your face looks great, by the way, maybe. It's my lashes. You don't look like a naked maked ride anymore as Sarah told you she's like don't look at my lashes and look like a naked mole rat. Yeah, like okay, you have an addition. This is a real thing. All right Kirby what's on your face? Okay, so I started with the Lancer soothe and hydrate serum Sarah and I just went to an event with dr. Lancer and and DJ Tanner. Yeah and DJ Tanner and they launched this new serum. It's really cool. It looks like a ampule almost like a giant ampule that You turn to release the fluid and then you pump it and it will administer just the tiniest bit onto your face. I really like it. They also launched a sulfur mass that I tried last night and I really like it too has three percent sulfur in it. And I think it's great if you are congested. Yeah, and then you have to try it. I'm a big fan so far I have on the Le maire concentrate. I'm sorry guys. Yeah. Well bear just deal with it. Just consider us for Or when you're doing paid advertising thanks. I have on my Augustine this botter. Of course the rich cream. I put on Heels daily Reviving concentrate. I just feel like my skin is super fatigued right now. I haven't been on Instagram stories that much lately because I feel like I'm stressed and I'm internalizing it and it's coming out through my skin. So my Skin's been really bad lately, but I've been putting on The Daily Reviving concentrate to kind of help just calm down the fatigue Revitalize my entire mug, so to speak and I We liked how it layered underneath my sunscreen. So I use a sunscreen called coats Supply. It means contains only titanium and zinc meaning titanium dioxide and zinc oxide. It's a physical R / mineral sunscreen. And usually when I put it on it kind of feels silicon e like a primer so I really have to blend it in but it just Smooths on so nicely over the Kiehl's daily Reviving concentrate. So I'm loving that combo awesome. BareMinerals blemish Rescue Foundation. If you have oily skin great if you're breaking out It Cosmetics CC cream for under eye. So it's just the CC cream, but I pot under my eyes to brighten up because it really does cover dark circles. I don't have any of the bye-bye under eye right now sadly and then the Stellar Beauty Halo setting powder. It's one of my favorite powders. It's a lavender shade. So I feel like it's not to chalky and then core Organics Noni lip tint that I used on my cheeks and the rose quartz luminizer to highlight some your skin does not. Look bad at all. Well, thank you. But as somebody who hadn't dealt with a breakout of this magnitude and probably four or five years I can tell my hormones are going haywire. I think it's honestly just from a change and having to live a new life that I'm really psyched about. But also like I don't want to let anybody down either totally so well myself. It's also because Mercury is in retrograde. Oh my God Mercury is totally in retrograde right now why everything in life when anything goes wrong? It's because of Mercury in retrograde. Do you have the package? Pattern I don't the Channing Tatum pattern. No, I downloaded it. Channing Tatum went on this rant about this thing called the pattern. He said how do you know these things about me that I don't even know or that I was talking to my therapist about and then all of a sudden it pops up on the app. It's kind of crazy. So I downloaded the pattern and you it's this it's like astrology co-star. Yes, okay, but it's nicer than co-star co-stars so mean to me coasters, very dramatic coasters like you're a pile of garbage. Yeah, get your life, right? Yeah, like one here this like I yeah, like what I turn my phone on in the morning. I don't want this like dramatic horoscope. Like I want the one that I used to read on like Yahoo! And Cosmo girl. I have way too many astrology apps. I have co-star the pattern Susan Miller Show. Ology Zone will always be the best and then I follow Johnny Nicholas is it channy channy? Sorry if I'm butchering that but I follow her and I follow Nadine astrology Nadine. I would follow a lot. I follow my account on Instagram as if you follow me is basically astrology Beauty and Disney we're going to have to do a astrology focused Beauty. Yes, what products you should be accessing type? Yep episode and I'm just here to tell you guys just because we're Capricorns doesn't mean we are boring Bland vanilla. I swear to G every single time. Somebody doesn't make up look for Capricorns. It's either super. Super minimal and lame or it's weird as hell totally eccentric. I'm like that is not capricorn. Yeah, you should be painting my face. If you're going to do something eccentric. It better be like money being painted onto my face. That's what Capricorn should be. Yep. Mmm, honey cha-ching cha-ching. Okay, we really went on that tangent. Yes. Alright. Okay. Alright. Let's talk about news. So Pat McGrath is launching her foundation. It's called Skin fetish Sublime Perfection Foundation. Ian what a name I want Sublime Perfection yet. No, but like skin fetish Sublime Perfection Foundation. It's a mouthful but honestly get all over yet. No, I'm saying get on my body put it on my face exactly. I want her to put it on my face, which is that going to happen Okay, so Kirby and I are going to a preview for the foundation next week and Pat McGrath never like she rarely comes to LA to do media events. Like she mostly does it in New York and I am always so jealous. Because what she does is she like sits like on the couch and everyone is around her and then yeah, she's applying the makeup on these editors and I'm like, I want your fingers on my face. So I think the influencer component of this launch is that she's doing a master class with them. So they get to kind of do their makeup them. I'm guessing themselves, which is awesome. But I want Pat to Pat my face same Pat my face up girl with the skin fetish Sublime Perfection Foundation. Yes, so it launches on Friday July 26th, and it's $68. It's a little steep but like Armani level Foundation. Yeah pricing wait, they're totally fair. Hey, she's a billion-dollar business. So I think she can definitely charge that month. Totally. I'm interested. I don't know much about it. I'm not sure if it's a matte situation do we but there is a whole system associated with it. You get the primer the foundation and the powder for $150. You could just buy the foundation separately. You could buy the powder or separately you can buy everything separately. I think the biggest takeaway though is that there's 36 shades of foundation and she did it right people. If you go onto her website, you can see the grid and the gradient of all of the shades. She's actually posted on her Instagram. She color matched the deepest of deep models a stunning beautiful model. Whose skin is yeah. Black and I'm telling you this was the perfect color match. I couldn't even believe it. So she has seven shades of light light medium medium medium deep which is truly medium/deep and then eight shades of deep. Okay. So the one color range that has the most options is deep, which I think is fantastic. I think probably one of the only other brands that has done this is beauty Baker. And Iman Cosmetics the foundation range is exactly what a foundation rain should look for All Brands toilet. Take note you guys. Yes, and when you go on to Pat's website because we know you're going to preorder it. I'm just impressed. I'm impressed with what the medium looks like with what the Deep looks like. I love that. It has undertones to the shade light one. It's the lightest with pink undertones great for people that are fair then there's light medium 14 Jean and it has a neutral Olive undertone great because I people tell me that I have neutral undertones that I could lean pink or really really warm, but then I also get people to think I'm way Wake On The Cooler side and I don't want to be cooler. I want to be on the warmer side. So I always lean more towards the yellow all of tones anyways, so this is going to make it easier for me to go in and want to shock this product. It has Vitae serum complex so their skin care bill. Into the foundation, which is awesome. So the foundation has the cerumen it 5 shade levels custom curated for all skin types and fall under Nations satin finish great, so it's not matte, but it's not do either and it says it builds weightlessly from a sheer Veil to Flawless medium coverage. Okay, great. I'm all about that. Oh and it has Diamond core powder technology which improves skin texture by optically smoothing and blurring the appearance of Fine lines and Imperfections. If this is true, if I if this actually does this great. Yeah, let me invest in Pat McGrath. I mean I want to invest on her anyways, but I'm 32. So is Sarah I'm seeing these Fine Lines around my eyes that are coming seemingly out of nowhere. I probably from squinting at my phone all day every day. You know what I used to work with somebody who said that she hasn't moved her forehead and like 14 years. That's like people who are like you shouldn't smile. As much but that's what Kim Kardashian does. She doesn't die. Honestly. I know this sounds super super lame, but that's why you don't see me cheesing it up and photos a lot because I don't want to accentuate the lines around my eyes. I know that super vein and dumb but no, it's true. I just feel like crap smile to pick. I love your smile. I know but also tell me when I smiled. Oh my God, I love it when you smile, but I'm like, I look decrepit when I smile. That's not true, but thing so I'm excited to try this to see if it actually works. I'm I'm excited too. Sorry, I'm having a little pity party for myself. I need to knock it off. But anyway, that's what's happening. Okay, we will report back on the foundation after we try it. You'll see some other exciting news. Everyone's favorite makeup sponge brand Beauty blender. They're launching makeup brushes the OG. Yeah, the collections name the detailers and there are five different brushes. There's a powder brush a shadow brush a crease brush and I liner brush and a dual ended eyebrow and spoolie brush. So everything you need and there are cruelty free made with vegan bristles, but the cool part about the brushes is that three of them have a cooling face roller on the other end. Yep. So it's meant to be used to prep your skin care before you apply your makeup. Okay. I like this idea. I'm looking at them right now. They're cute. They're super cute. They don't look like a lot of brushes that are out there. Especially I think it's the eyebrow detailer brush. There is the decide that fills in the brow. That has the edge. Yes, but then the spoolie situation. It looks like that's also a hybrid. So one side is a spoolie in the other side is a comb. Oh, yeah. Is that what that little yeah, that is there's two different. Yeah two different ends. I mean, I think I would probably buy that one alone just because I'm a big fan of spool. He's in general and combing through my brows and my lashes. Yeah, super interesting. Do you guys want makeup brushes from beauty blender, you know, so here's the other thing. They're not cheap. Okay, what's what's the price range is 22 to 60? Whoa. Okay. So the big powder brush called the big boss. It's like any other dick looking powder brush, but it has that end that supposed to help cool your under-eye in your face and stuff. I wonder like $60 60 bucks. Also like are people really going to use the other end. It's a cool concept. I'm wondering I also like you have to really be on top of making sure it's clean. That's what they're really cute and I hope we get to try them. This is what I'm wondering are they sent that they're not real hair right there vegan. Oh great. Yeah great vegan love. I'm a bit. I mean the crease brush looks nice. I'm I think like the brow brush is probably what is it called the yeah the player it's a three-way brow brush. Yeah. That one looks most interesting for sure the calm and the spoolie. I will be interested to see how they do. All right. Else is happening in the Beauty World. Okay. Well, if you are an Instagram, you probably did not miss the Kylie skin trip where she got on her private jet with her Kylie branded water bottle thing and Kylie branded sweat suits. And I and I first I was like is this a press trip or an influencer launch trip or what? It was just it was a rest influencer trip for her friend. Yeah. So it's like stassi baby or whatever your name is and a few of her makeup artist Ariel. They were all on This trip living their best life Kylie skin the second drop is I mean, she got a lot of flak for the first drop which was all face because it included the Walnut scrub some I remember like reading that somebody really liked the eye cream because it brightened their under I am like it did not bring your panty but I just rolled my eyes. Yeah. She like almost got her I stuck role because I like it didn't quite near under Isis it definitely didn't it may be cosmetically brightened, but it didn't actually reduce your Under eye circles in the long run. Sorry hate to be that person but it's the maybe if you're like 15 and and you don't have that many of you don't they're not that dark. Yeah. So the second drop is an honestly when I saw this I was late to the game because I think she announced it Friday and I didn't see it till Saturday. Yeah and to Kylie Cosmetics fashion. She always since we still have to cover her like religiously. She would always do it on like a Friday in the afternoon, and I'd be the only E1 online so I'd have to Cuff her that sucks. Yeah, sorry friend anyways, but the second drop is all about the body. It includes the coconut body moisturizer coconut body scrub and an SPF 30 Body Oil, which sounds very interesting. What question mark what does I wanted cry reading? Coconut body moisturizer know the the body oil? Okay. Yeah, I'm interested with that. I'm wondering can you formulate a body? I mean, I know they exist but I'm always curious like I mean, I does it actually work just like banana boat has a body oil. That's SPF 30. Yeah, right. Yeah. So how I mean I guess it does protect but you probably have to reapply every five minutes. Yeah, so this What it says this is according to Harper's our friend Jenna wrote up the news which is like truly the only post I could find online that was just straight news and not some drama between Kylie and Jeffree Star about this but she says the three new Kylie skin products are lightly scented the lotion and scrub both carry a faint coconut scent the scrub uses sugar not Walnut particles. Thank you for clarifying you to gently exfoliate and moisturize the skin the SPF 30 sunscreen oil uses chemical UV filters but is oxybenzone free. Okay, I can get down with that. I think out of anything that I'd want to try. It might be the SPF 30 Body Oil guys. I don't know how much I have to complain about coconut oil. I just whether or not it's because of the fragrance. It's they consider a coconut or because it includes actual coconut oil. I'm just never going to trust a product that has a ton of coke. I also thought we were like done with Matt yeah, like those very nice 2015 true. But and also I mean, what's your opinion on this? Because I'm very much a stickler of when I see coconut oil and a product. I am terrified same so are their products that are formulated the right way that include a little bit of coconut oil like what about Brands like Co Paris? I mean, I know people that are obsessed with their products, but truthfully I am scared to try them on my body and face. Face for fear I'm going to break out I have to say I love have loved all the products that I've used from Capri. They lip product which I think has like some coconut oil on it okay, or in it and then they're like Shimmer would ya for my wedding? Okay wedding. I'm looking at Matt our wedding curve where I was when I got married surprise. Anyways, I The one thing that I am super hesitant about coconut oil products for my face, I mean like that's what I'm nervous because I do love the body Shimmer situation and that's why I'm not nervous that well. This isn't a coconut Body Oil. It's just but there's a coconut body moisturizer. Yes. That's that's what I'm scared. I'm yeah, I don't want back knee. I don't know. I don't want any acne. I also just like I don't know. I mean, I think for some people coconut it smells like vacation to them. It smells like the beach. Yeah, but to me, like I ingest it I cook with it. So it like reminds me of like food. Yeah, I don't know. I think that it's personal for sure. But I just I think the thing that drives me nuts about the skin launch from Kylie is it feels like a bunch of old dudes are like what's Buzzy right now? Oh people really like this Walnut scrub 100% We have learned the okay. So we have evolved we have evolved. I So think this whole body lotion line and scrub and all this other stuff that she has coming out. It's definitely someone saying isn't coconut oil buddy, and then they just make a whole thing Kylie. I want you to have some Integrity boo. I know you're you're making billion and you're busy like your book too busy child, you're taking these photographs that are so I don't understand. Why are you why somebody taking a picture of you while they're crouching? At the front of a boat, I don't get it like my nightmare angle. I'm like sir kind sir. Whoever's taking this picture always from above. Yes sea level from but yeah, I need like yes make it chin up. That's why I love when Patrick takes photos of me because he's literally a foot taller than me. Yeah same with Matt. So I look like I'm at least 20 pounds lighter and like an angel. Yeah people all because I am 5 to I'm very short and people always not some people try to take photos from Because they think that is going to make me look taller and I'm like no, that's the devil. That's the devil doing that. Yeah. No not okay. I'm not kidding. If you take photos from that low W. You might need to go like gets aged or something. Yeah, the devil has gotten into your store. The bottom line is if Kirby and I asked you to take our photo don't you dare Neil or get what you know, like when we take pictures at things now, yeah people like the minute a phone gets using it drop and you're like no no. No, we're not doing this please or if they try to just zoom in on the face. I'm like no full body but not doing yeah. I'm like Polly. Oh, we should teach a class next podcast episode. Do you want to buy into Arkham master class on how to properly take a photo? Maybe? Okay. Tell me about Khloe Kardashian. Yes. Okay, so not to make this super kardashian-jenner heavy, but she did just come out on. You know how they have they're really cute little Series where they do a get ready with me. So she filmed it in her bathroom and it was her new mom Beauty routine and true made a appearance and she was so freaking cute, but she walked us through the whole routine and I was actually like mesmerized. I don't like usually watch all of those videos from start to finish but I thought she was really good and you know Chloe she's very entertaining but I love Chloe. Yeah, here are some of the takeaways from the tutorial. She uses witch hazel. As a toner which Kirby and I time clutching my pearls. Yeah, it's just an interesting choice. It's not bad. It's just bad. It's just interesting. Did she say what brand was this series? Oh there I think it's theirs which is not bad. No, I mean it's but she said that she is did it or She was drawn to it because of the packaging or something like it was cute. But you know, whatever they're cool packaging is important. I've no packaging you get burned but um, she used elta MD sunscreen love love if that she said she learned Since Courtney good choice court and khlo. Yes, and then she used some drink elephant love. She said that she piles on the oils at night. Okay, honey. Yes, I want to know is all about that. I want to know what oils she piles on and also like is she using it with a crumb it better not be there. Here we go in Bedrock be coconut oil the creme and the coconut. This is what will harp on this entire podcasts lifespan great. It better not be coconut oil and I hope she uses a creme. Yeah, me too. I'm sure she I'm sure she has three large Vats in her bathroom which by the way, she also shared and I don't know I didn't know this but she bought this house that she is currently living in from Justin Bieber. So her vanity room situation used to be Justin Bieber's sneaker closet. Yeah. I know it was it was a very entertaining video and she was like, so Justin had all his sneakers here and then I Thinking like what would a girl's dream closet be and it would be my dream Vanette if those walls could talk what they have seen my Lord. Oh my God filled my eyes. All of the nda's that have been signed in that establishment. Let me tell you I would pay good money to no seriously. Yeah would be actually an amazing. Yeah things are here. Excuse me. What happened in this room? Well, maybe yeah, let's go. Go into it. The most alarming thing was that she Khloe Kardashian who has access to all the makeup has all the money her sisters make amazing Contour pallets. She used been using a Mac Contour palette that she said she's had for 10 years. So the thing is not that she's using Mac because we love math. I love math. Why do you have a mat Contour palette for 10 years? Is it the same one? I it's it looked like yours for the where which I high to have things their size. Won't like but yeah, there's some things I won't let go of but it seems like she uses them on the daily and also she worried if it really is 10 years. We need to do a whole episode on like when registration dates because it's very important. Look at the little jar on the back. Yeah. Also if you think that you've had something for 10 years probably time to let go I wonder if she's just terrified. I got headache not in. Yeah. She was also using a brush that had been discontinued. I can't remember what brand it was and she was talking about how probably Mac. Yes right back. Anyways, it's are really good. 15-minute. Watch I suggest eye-opening in I saw it on Bogues Instagram and I really wanted to watch it because they did a little clip of her and true and I JZ think you true is the cutest. She looks like the happiest baby. Yeah. Okay PSA. My good friends. Neutrogena has led face mask has been recalled now. Okay going to be real are these the masks that have been around? Yes, and they're just recall they Lon. Them either last year or the year before using them on Instagram guys. You totally have some of you even message me because I posted this on my Instagram that you bought this you will get a refund. But this is what Neutrogena had to say. You may have noticed that the Neutrogena light therapy acne mask and activator are not available where you shop in the United States, that's because these products have been recalled from wholesalers and retail stores our decision to recall. This product has been made out of an abundance of caution. They go on to say that when used Once a day as directed it's safe to use but that reports of visual effects associated with the use of the acne mask include risks for eye injury photosensitivity. If you have certain underlying I conditions I'm just like picturing someone using this and then they're like, holy shit. I can't see anything. Yeah, it's just as if you experience any visual discomfort when using the mask, you should stop use and contact your health care professional and then four questions including regarding a Contact or consumer care line if you guys Google light therapy mask Neutrogena. The first thing that pops up is the statement and then you can see the phone number to contact to get a refund but I we bought this product at popsugar a couple years ago to have somebody test it out to see if it would work it broke within like the first two uses and honestly, I not all LED products are made equal totally. You can't just buy a $30 mask and expect it to work as well as these professional LED products that you're getting an in a facial like a slight stem. Yeah a light stims a great investment, but it's an investment same with the try light investment. Like I said and laughs is the Neutrogena man. It's like how much was it? I thought it was like 30-something. Okay. So yeah, it wasn't that expensive. They they did 3699 abundance of caution, which probably means like one or two people had a bad experience with it. That's room that's in I mean, I think Moe, I don't know enough to do a recall. But listen if I'm a juror was running a company of that magnitude. I'd be doing everything to be on the safe side. So so yeah, if you guys have one yet your money back get your money back and just know that this is a thing. All right. So this episode we thought it would be a good idea to talk about how to wear makeup in this heat because it is summer. It's getting hot and we want to melt it. Uh, yeah, we want to make sure that our makeup stays on our face. I used to hate writing these stories or doing videos about this stuff isn't like doesn't same can't you Google this doesn't this exist but people still you guys care. Yeah. I want to know I feel like things evolve. Yeah things change, right and there's a lot of little tips tips and hacks and tricks and someone even if someone even emailed me today and was like, I'm melting in New York City and I'm like, yeah actually summers are so brutal and Yeah, it doesn't get human in Texas. Oh my God, especially in Houston, but I mean in Texas, I remember when I moved out to LA. I was like, thank you Jesus because Texas had over 100 days of 100 plus heat the summer I left in 2009, but I'm guessing it probably got worse. But even here in la-la Autumn August. Yeah. It was like, my mom was like I hate everybody I want to kill people shocker. Yeah Johnson like having a moment, but She's love Janet. But when when people think of La they think of like great weather all the time global warming is real. Yeah, I'm here to tell you this right now, August and September are lame is yeah for us. Yeah. So we're all just bracing ourselves. We don't have like a fall here. Nope. It's just a long summer. And then now that's a quote winter and I'm putting that in quotes. Yeah my oh wow. It's 65 degrees. I needed to bring a jacket. It does he land. But anyways, what I'm saying is that I can't really speak to how to keep your makeup on and humidity personally, but we do have some we did some research. Yes, but you can speak and I can speak to it because I feel you on a deep level growing up in Texas hell hell on Earth half the time. Well the first step I think everyone can agree is that skincare prep is still super important totally hydrating your skin with moisturizer because it helps to create a barrier that will protect your skin from the Heat and the Sun but it will also create a nice foundation for the rest of your makeup. So that doesn't slide as much and I was going to say like you want to look dewy in the summer but not oily. Yeah or sweaty or sweaty, right? Yeah. So maybe avoid going super Dewey with your makeup. Look avoid excessive highlighter anything that could make you potentially look like you're shinier than you're going to end up being right? We don't want that just steer away from that unless that's what you want to look like. But I don't know anyone who wants to look like and there are places that you can put highlighter and stuff which you'll get to that will be conducive to the look right but prep your skin use that lightweight moisturizer. I love Sunday Riley title. Oh, it's a it has water gel cream. Doesn't it enzymes in it to yes. I it's one. I wrote an article about it a few years ago about how I truly think it's the best moisturizer. In the world. Yeah, I haven't used it in a while just because I've been trying out so many different moisturizers but in the summer, it's so nice and I use the touch of water cream, which is a similar consistency where it's kind of like a gel so I feel like lightweight is the way to go and maybe don't use any oils and during the day especially. Yeah, I would I mean if you're an oil person fine, but give it time to absorb. Yeah, give it some time and maybe just do one instead of a few layers. Also, I would say if you're looking for A cheaper kind of like a water gel alternative to Tasha or send a Riley Sephora collection. Yes makes one. They have a really great we talked about it, you know who else makes a really great one the consistency is similar to the what the water cream but it's a in that it's like a gel but it's a little bit on the creamier side, but still very lightweight it's versed. Oh who wears Beauty line. That is sold at Target. Yeah, and now I think Of beauty great, but it's like 10 bucks or something. And yeah, I think it's a great option for summer as well. But yeah, I would avoid heavy creams during the day for show. Yes, no crumb. No crap. Oh crap. Oh crap. Oh crap. Okay Kirby. I think that we have gotten not think I know we have gotten so many questions about sunscreen and you are like an expert. So can you explain like what we should be wearing total in the summer? Okay, so I'm speaking from personal. Experience I have melasma. It is brought on by my IUD. It's a hormonal based discoloration of my skin. I'm gonna do a YouTube video for my Channel all about melasma cuz I could talk about it for hours. There was a listener Michelle who told us that she learned that she had melasma because of our first episode which makes us so so you're changing lives. Wow. Thank you guys. Thank you. Thank you. We are changing lives. Yeah, so I have to wear sunscreen. All the time and the best sunscreen for me is a mineral / physical block sunblock rather. Here's the deal you want to wear sunscreen, but you also want to make sure that you're not going to get shulkie. Yes, unfortunately with a lot of minerals sunscreens because of the titanium dioxide and the zinc oxide. It might leave a white cast to your skin. That's why so many people love chemical sunscreen. Yeah, because you can they can be clear. Also the chalkiness is why I know so. Many people who don't wear sunscreen all that breaks my heart because out there like my makeup will cover my skin and protect my face. No no, no, no. No that's wrong. Your buzzer. Sounds like a dead or like a loner like don't don't leave it to Kirby. What I really want is The Price is Right. Like losing horn sound Patrick. Put it in here. Yeah. Anyways, sorry continue. Anyways, you have to wear sunscreen. I am not going to shame you for wearing a chemical Century because I actually recommended a few chemical sunscreens on this podcast like Neutrogena and stuff like that. If you like a clear sunscreen great, I just think you're gonna get better protection by using a physical sunscreen. I use It's like I said earlier, but what is the Tacho one that we both? Really? Oh my God. What is it called? I wish I could remember it's a good one. It feels like skin care. Yes and the same with elta MD it has that physical block but it also feels like since like skincare and then also it acts like a primer for the rest of your makeup totally. Nice. Yep, and it helps your makeup to go on smoothly. It doesn't help it to stay on. Yes. I ran. It doesn't matter if I per se but it's a nice layer. Yes, exactly. So it's a nice layer. So this is not necessarily a tip for keeping your makeup from sweating off or anything. But you do need the protection. Yes. There's also an option when it comes to sunscreen after you've already applied your physical block and that's the brush on block. So it's powder you can use it to mattify which I think is great. And then you talk about the ones that have a brush and then yes the end. Yeah, super group makes one CD-ROM for pimple popper just came out with one. Really. Yes. What? I think it launches it either just launched or launches this month, which I'm very excited to try love. Dr. Sandra. That's like a great product to just throw into your bag because it's very important to reapply throughout the day. There's also a video that's circulating on Twitter. It's of a woman using a beauty blender to reapply sunscreen over her makeup. I have thoughts about this. I feel like that's genius. I think it's smart, but then also I'm like well, yes it is if it's a physical I'll block. Yeah, yes, because that needs to be the last step. But then also is it making your face white? I don't know. Yeah, maybe I'll try it. Yeah, we should try it and see if how's it going? I mean the capital do you also use super group has won the spray that has sunscreen in? Yes, although I'm like, is it really evenly Distributing across my face? Yeah. I don't want to worry about that. Honestly. I love super group and I think they make amazing SPF products, but I think in terms of protection, I just want to make sure I'm actually rubbing every yeah in yeah in the right places and don't forget your eyelids. Yes and tops of your ears. But I'll see your lips. Yes. Do you use sunscreen product like SPF lipstick? Yeah. Yeah lip balm lip balms. There's a bunch of them just say there's only like spf15. I think you know, you want to protect your lips because we're seeing a melanoma is preventable, but we're seeing a rise in it. We're seeing it on lips eyelids things like that and I actually got oh what supergroup also makes the powder for your scalp. Whoo, that's smart. Yeah for the hair lion mermaid an eyeshadow with SPF in it. Yes. I actually wrote about that in my beauty newsletter. If you guys aren't subscribed to that. Oh my gosh, if you guys aren't herpes grabbing news 100% you are missing out. I aggregate all of the top beauty news from every Outlet including social and just send it to you twice a week. So I do all the heavy lifting. Thank you, but I mentioned it because I hadn't tried it yet and people were like, oh, I actually love this stuff not necessarily to protect my eyes, but I just like it so pretty wait, so you haven't tried it yet. No. Oh Have it in the other room. I'll bring it up. The thing is is like I bring it out. Let me put it on right now. Yeah, I think when it comes to some protection, it's not necessarily something you're doing to keep your makeup on but if you're hot and this is the point I'm getting to if you have melasma, it will become more prominent and more noticeable when your body heats up any type of heat. So whether that's you're getting a laser treatment or even a chemical peel that That might heat up or you're out at the beach or the pool or you're just sweating even at the gym, which sucks it will make the hyperpigmentation look more prominent and I have to wear sunscreen because of that no matter what so, you know, it doesn't necessary. It's not going to keep you from overheating but it's going to protect your skin. Especially if the Sun is part of making your skin your the hyperpigmentation look even worse melasma or not though wear sunscreen guys. Oh, of course, yeah. But great tips. So now we're going to talk about primer which the both of us don't really wear primer. So primers interesting because I feel like it was created to help smooth out pours. Yeah, actually and hide pores which is smart, but for me personally if I use a silicone based primer, it does not keep my makeup on. It's like it feels oily are yeah, like moves around and gets really patchy. That's primarily why I don't use it, but then I felt Really validated by Mario danovich because I went to one of his master classes with Laura Mercier and he was doing the models makeup. And of course I was there with a bunch of influencers and like a part of every influencer step, you know, makeup step is include a primer primer and he just like kind of went into the makeup, but in did not apply a primer. She's like, excuse me. What prime one of the best? Excuse me? What primer did you use on our skin? He's like, I don't use primers. I don't believe in them. I think if you really Yours yeah properly its own great base for your makeup and you don't need a primer and I was like thank God because I felt like I was missing out on something totally really I don't think you should have to add something to your routine if it doesn't work for you kately. Who is she does Keira Knightley Kate Winslet? She does like a bunch of celebrities. She also does not use a primer. I went to her master class and someone asked or maybe I asked and she was like aah, Don't believe in it because if you do enough of your your skincare prep, you don't really need it. And yeah, why have an extra layer? I mean, I'm not anti primer by any means it just is not right link from and some make other makeup artist suggest using it. But can I just say I lied and that I do use primers sometimes but not the primer that you would expect for your face. Okay, I use urban decay's eyeshadow potion. Hmm the for your Eyelid. Yep. I put that under my eye Oh and around my nose and the creases of my nose, huh? And then if I know that there are areas that I really want to cover up like my melasma spots. I put it on top of that before. I apply my concealer and it keeps my makeup from moving throughout the day. It also helps from the lines from my sunglasses when I'm driving. Yeah, that works great. And then also nix's glitter primer. It's like spackle for your skin your makeup will not move. I'm telling you right now. I learned that because I was Testing it out a few years ago for shoot just with glitter and I'm like wait a minute if this is going to keep glitter on I wonder if it'll keep other things on and it kept my Foundation put a cut my concealer put it did not budge. Wow, I'm gonna have to get some of that. Yeah. I'm very and the next one is super affordable. It's like 6 bucks any glitter primer I think would work great. But then I just I love the potion from Urban Decay because it has this really pretty doe foot time wand. It's like a leaf shape actually and just feels really nice. So I So have a new tip that I learned using a primer but not in the way that you would typically use a primer and I keep talking about her but I was in I was in Paris with her Kate Kate Lee and she did my makeup and it was it's really hot in Paris right now. It's like you think in like the 80s and she didn't want to apply powder on my face to set my makeup, but she used her hack is using a damp Beauty blender to apply a matte. Defying primer on top of your makeup on your T Zone. Oh, yeah on your T Zone and then like under the eyes and I swear like I wasn't shiny the rest of the night or oily and this is a trick that she uses on the red carpet with her with the Stars. Oh Kurt. I wish I could roll my RS 2000 I was like, wow, I should I'm trying why haven't I been doing this all my life. I'm gonna be trying. Thanks Shaggy. Thanks Kate. You're the best. I like that. Like we have these little however hack. So here's the other thing. This is actually like a beauty rule that I tend to break. Everyone's like Don't Put liquid over powder because you'll get cakey. Yeah. Okay friends. I also I keep on saying I feel validated but I do things to my face then I'm like am I doing this wrong? And then I'll see a makeup artist or an influencer YouTuber who ever do it? And I'm like hell yeah, so I felt validated because Jackie Ina does this she'll put powder on before she conceals. Uh-huh, just spot treat not like all over her whole face. Okay, but she'll put it on and I was doing that too because I noticed when I had a blemish or something, I would put on concealer and then powder it and you can see it. Yeah, and I was like what the hell but then when I put on the powder and then a concealer on top, it just covers it so smoothly it stays put and it doesn't budge especially if it's hot outside. So I don't recommend, you know, dousing your entire face with powder and then putting on Foundation, but if you have areas that you know, my My problem areas are the creases around my nose and then wear my sunglasses sit and I swear it just does not move. I'm going to use use that. Yeah, I think it's like a really useful hack. You have to perfect it. It'll probably take a few times testing it out to really see if it works for you and how to do it properly but it has changed my life. Okay. So now we're going to talk about foundations. Yep, if it's a really hot day like I'm going to the beach or you know I'm going somewhere that it's going to be really hot for a long time. I tend to use like tinted moisturizers same with you. Yeah, yeah, like the sulwhasoo cushion compact that I use almost daily is like my go-to because it has sunscreen in it and it's very lightweight I use the coats so great because it has a tint to it. So just blurs the skin and it gives me like the physical production to but if you have to go somewhere like a wedding and it's hot. Oh my God, what foundations do like two I've been Okay, Urban Decay all nighter I swear to G that stuff does not move. It just stays on your face. So does Becca Becca has a really good one. I actually let me just plug my former employer here. I wrote an article for popsugar last year and it's called 13 products that help make up stay put through the depths of Hell or August heat. It includes like all of my favorite pics. So I like Beauty Bakery Beauty Bakery. They just use Sir John. Just use the powder on Beyonce. Yes. I did. Okay, The Flower Powder. Yes, which is great. I love Urban decay's naked concealers, but they're all nighter concealer. Just like their Foundation. It stays put Lorac actually makes a really nice creamy stick concealer that like you, you know, press the bottom and it cut it will push itself up. It's really nice. It's thick enough and it doesn't dry totally matte, but I find that it doesn't move as much as other concealers. I really like that. Oh, My God, why have I not brought this up? I should have mentioned this during primers, but there is a moisturizer that I am obsessed with and I don't know. What is it. I'm not a paid to talk about this but I talked about it so much. It's it's dr. Brandt's mattifying hydrator. Okay, it's from their pores no more line. So they made a primer for the pores no more line. However, they made this mattifying hydrator last year. It's a pore minimizing gel. It's blue. It has like these little blue. Spheres in it and then they break apart. If I love this stuff and I use it as a primer. It makes my pores look like they're completely gone. I'm a huge fan of it, but it hydrates the skin too. So I feel it. Is it it's a gel. Yeah, but it's like a double duty thing. It's super lightweight. I don't feel like I have something heavy on it sets really nicely. So then when I put on my makeup, I feel like my skin is primed and ready to go and I didn't have to use a silicone primer. So I'm a big fan of that. Have you Used shape tape matte foundation. Yes, I do like shape tape a lot of electronic shaped a yeah. I'm a big fan of shape to and then their Foundation that they named after their best-selling concealer. I think by the way, the concealer it's like a very impressive stat. It's like they sell one shape tape like every 30 seconds chart. I think does foundations really? Well - is it back? Yes K. Let me yes. We know it is this we're not there's an asterisk. Yeah. But the formulas yes, and I think they correct themselves. We did smart. Yes. They have done their due diligence to really correct that in the right way, but I have loved a lot of their foundations over the years. I love rainforest of the sea that I love the Newfound sealer damage Oni and just play yes, and that's a good one action. If you're just oily. Yes. But yeah, I think that the tarp chart shape tape Foundation is really great Makeup Forever launch launch the Velvet matte skin last Here which has a beautiful shade range and is one of my absolute favorite foundations when I wear makeup forever matte velvet skin people like asked me if I did something to my face. Please keep thinking that I did a lot to my face like put on this Foundation. It's great the Paris filter but in real life. Oh my God. Yeah. I mean, it's like really helps with can someone just do that. Whatever you need to do to my face to make me look like that in real life. So those are some of my favorite Shucks I will say too. I want to give a shout out to wander Beauty their concealer one sides a bullet looks like a lipstick and the other side is a doe foot. So it's more creamy the side. That's the bullet sets beautifully and it's Matt so it doesn't move around the face and I'm a really big fan. I have not tried that and I have to try that. It's called Wonder Beauty duelist concealer and guys, we will put every product we mention in the podcast in our show notes. And we're working on a website so that you can recall all the different products from all the different episodes stay tuned. Yay. What are your thoughts on waterproof products like waterproof eyeliner waterproof mascara for the summer? I'm a big fan. I think waterproof. Mascara. I think a lot of people love waterproof mascara, even without it being the summer. Yeah, just because it helps you hold a curl, right? There's plenty of waterproof mascaras that are super affordable. You can buy them at CVS or Walgreens. All greens or Duane Reade or wherever Target all those good places. So I'm a big fan. I like waterproof mascaras waterproof eyeliners. They never look the way that I want them. Yeah, and I feel like sometimes people are like, it's super creamy and blends but then it sucks and it doesn't move with I'm like, but it doesn't work that way for me. No, it looks dry on me and then just not like kind of like rough right be yeah for me. It's like creepy. Yeah. I'm like, yeah, so then what I usually do if I'm going to wear like a cat eye or something, like I'll use a liquid eyeliner or gel eyeliner and then I'll go over it with eyeshadow. Yep of the same color. Yeah, right a lot of makeup artists that work on red carpets do that too. It's just it's basically like powdering the skin but in eyeliner form, okay on that note. Yeah layering. Your products is a great way to help make your makeup. Stay put in the heat. So like we said, Add the powder Shadow on top of the eyeliner and then also using a powder blush on top of a cream blush. Just make sure your Cream Blush isn't super oily. Yeah, they're all like it'll get patchy. Yeah and slide no slip and sliding on the face. No, thank you. Yeah, I feel like that's a super easy tip. Yeah, and then like cream eyeshadow underneath a powder eyeshadow. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Great. Another thing we recommend doing is Carrie blotting papers my tip for this is I feel like It's a waste for me because I'm so oily anyways in my T-Zone. So I feel like I'm going through 15 of them at one time. Yes, I use a beauty blender. I have a little tiny Beauty blender. I remember the first time that I saw you. Whip it out of your purse and I'd be like, what is she doing? And then I was like wait, that's genius. Yeah. It's for the under eye. Yeah the little what does it call? I can't I remember it's like a little tiny guy. I will use it to you know blot under my eyes blot my forehead that way I'm not adding more powder, but then I'm you don't want to Add more powder to your face throughout the day on a hot day guys exactly. It's going to look cakey. So I love the little baby Beauty blender. Yeah, it makes me happy. I need to start doing that. That's a really really good idea. I do love touches blotting powder papers. Yeah their original like, oh gee. Oh gee, that's a g that Vicki Sia was just pregnant in New York creating from her apartment. Yep. Those are great. But I also love I mean Clean and Clear. Those are like the true OG. Yes, right. From our childhood love those they work and then both shh. Oh, yeah, I believe the whole look at that green. So you want oh, yes, the green tea one. Yeah, I like those too. Hmm. And then we also suggest using a Mist throughout the day. Yep to refresh your skin. This is what Miss sir for. I think a lot of people are like, why do I need a Miss? Like we see them on Instagram because they're pretty and people are spritzing all over their face, but Mists are meant to refresh your face whether that's refresh your makeup or Just make you feel cool and refreshed. Some of them are you know pH balancing? So if you're not wearing makeup, it's great to split your skin. I will tell you a story one of the very first actually the very first beauty product I ever bought with my own money was Mario badescu. Yes water. I can see it in my eyes and in my eyes, I can see it like crying. Yeah. I have Shinigami eyes. He said we were going to talk about crime and drugs. His crimes on sounds fun. To be honest. Can we go to Joshua Tree and take the yes, but what we invited Grimes to do drugs with us and Joshua tree, that would be great. Bad jerk and Matt will supervise Wilcos sword fighting over and then we'll have a eyes removed. Its you hear this. Okay. So Grimes said that she got part of her eye removed to cure seasonal depression. And at first I was like this has to be an exaggeration of this headline. No, she got the film removed from like the top layer of her eye entire eyeball, right? Yep, not just like LASIK or Something no, not like they like, you know Lasik how they go in there and they slice through the top layer of your iris know that they do whatever also let me read the tweet that she my God tweeted yesterday. I'm Adam reading please. I got Shinigami eyes. It cost me half my life span, but now I can see the true name of everyone and when they will die only the real ones will understand you can we get her on this podcast to tell us when we're going to die. I want to know that's like what? Don't even you have to be on some hardcore drugs. Yeah. Yeah, that's just like creative genius on another level if you just not a real one. Yeah true. I'm not a real one. They're not a real one. Sorry. Oh, so is this my God is this a current is that so is that her Twitter Avatar Photo? She has black eyes. Okay, that actually this Freight chills me to the Bone. I don't I'm terrified of this woman. Yeah, well worried. I was like Midsummer Mario badescu. Sorry Mario badescu. We're like drugs Marvin ask, you know, I bought my eyes my eyes. I bought Mario badescu. Yeah, when I was a wee thirteen-year-old, I read an Allure magazine that Hilary Duff loved Mario badescu. So I made my mom take me to Austin Texas people will appreciate this Lux. The teak the only place they sold Mario badescu at that point. We had you've probably felt so cool. I was so cool. I had like the big they didn't make tiny bottles. So I had like this giant bottle of Mario badescu that I kept in my backpack in middle school and I would oh cool. I would Sarah it was embarrassing. I would get in class and literally open up my bag and then Spritz with us. This thing had to be at least like a foot tall a beauty editor from the start from the start people would ask me what I was spraying on my face and like it's Rose water. It balances your skin and then they were all like, oh my God, I'm buying this and they all went and bought it. So I was an influencer the solely early on what you're saying is Mario badescu owes you like a million dollar Mario just smelling my check appreciate that. No, but Mario badescu has a good fist wheel. I know we keep talking about Tasha Tasha has a great man and they have a new one the satin skin missed. What did you think about their oil free liquid powder face? Mist? Okay, I have Clay in it. Yes. So this is the thing I tested this out. It did modify my face. It's not meant to it's not meant to like refresh your skin the way that their other one did it's meant to mattify which I think is good for summer. Yes, and for people have oily skin, but you didn't like it I did I didn't okay. I did not not like it. Yes, I had issues with it squirting and misting okay out of the bottle or out of the the yeah. It was just like a straight shot. Well, it got clogged. I think it was because of the way you know that happens to me often with Miss and then I don't know how to fix them that happened with my caudalie Miss. No, I had you know what they fixed. They I think they actually fit so do they fix it the bottle because I was constantly having problems with that and I was like, I love this misko totally makes one of the best. Yes. Oh my gosh face miss you want to feel beauty elixir in the middle of the day. I love that thing. Yeah. I want to bathe in that water. Whatever. It is the Rosemary and all that. Stuff, I really want caudalie to invite us to France. Oh my God, they invited some people on a trip to Bordeaux and I wanted to cry I was like, do you understand? I used to steal the Vino perfect serum from my mom when she would go and buy it from Sephora when I was G she was an OG. I'm an OG. I am a die-hard fan of cuddly products. And yeah. Listen, I'm working a little busy until I am available for cuddly, okay. But yeah, they make they make one of my favorite miss. The one that I said that I was wearing today from a car is a really great one. They are an indie Beauty brand. There's so many myths on the market guys. I would just buy the travel sizes and test them out exactly right. Hmm. Okay cool, and then don't forget it setting spray. So it's setting sprays can be great. I actually talked to celebrity makeup artist Meredith Barack. She is known to have worked. I mean she works with the Victoria Secret angels all the time but back in the day like when They were the hottest thing ever, but she works a lot with Lea Michele. She just has a lot of really big celebrity clients and we were at popsugar playground a few weeks ago and she asked me about setting sprays and she's like, what do you think and I'm like, I don't know if I necessarily believe in them with my whole heart because a lot of them for them to work are loaded with alcohol, but the one that I would recommend is by Scandinavia. Oh and Scandinavia makes the one by Urban Decay. Oh, okay, because I've been decay all nighter. I was like plot twist. Yeah plot twist because I feel like setting spray is synonymous with Urban Decay is synonymous with setting me. Yes, why not at least you think of that that is the only setting missed. I truly believe in they just made this one and it's called Summer Solstice. I'm sorry. I'm really excited about it. It's called Summer Solstice Scandinavia did Urban Decay did its Urban decay's. Okay. So Scandinavia makes got it could have been Decay formula got it. So if you if you read it, it says like my skin de naevia. Yeah. So certain Urban Decay just made a new one. So they made a new all-nighter but it has a fragrance. Oh, but it's not bad. It's not bad. It's like refreshing and it didn't mess with my skin, but it's called Summer Solstice. It smells like Tom Ford Neroli Portofino, which is my absolute favorite fragrance of all time. It just it's not Not a heavy scent but you can tell and like because the original didn't have no gun. No, I just I dig it and it didn't it didn't make my skin weird or erratic or break out or anything like that. I'm a big fan must be in one of the 30 packages. I have to open Sarah has like it's getting offensive at this point. She's like, oh look at all my boxes. I need to but I'm like you need to open these. I know it's our I'm sorry to all the publicist who are like just checking in to see if you received my package. I'm working on. I'm working on it. Can I tell you that I've been excommunicated from some of the pr already who I'm not gonna obviously names but I was so sad because I was like how do you know because it they're signing it to your office? No because I'm still doing the rounds where I'll go to the office and pick up any packages and I haven't gotten our stealing nobody stealing anything. But the the the lovely admin assistant emails me and tells me so like last week. She was like you have a bunch of Judges here, and I emailed the brands and I'm like, hey, I don't work there anymore. Obviously. Can you forward to how do you address dare? They excommunicate you so quickly. Listen, I'm here to tell y'all. I'm sorry that you feel like I'm not good enough because I don't work for a publisher and house anymore. But when I'm really famous you're going to regret it. Yeah, because I could be talking about your product right now and then people will go back like Megan Markle and be like Megan Markle loves. Oh my God. Yeah product and then we're going to write a million articles Barbie Johnson you This base mist and the Mario that is like please be our brand ambassador migrate. I'm also really rich and famous. Yeah. Hey great. I think that's all our tips. Y'all probably think we're as noxious, but you know what, we know that you love us. Yeah, you keep coming back. Yeah keep coming back and we're glad to have you episode 3. I know I'm like, this is all you really need to chill out. Yeah only gonna get weirder. Her from here guys. Oh my God, and I have a really brilliant idea for Sarah and I should even put this out there. I kind of want to put it in the world sure. Maybe it won't happen. But I told Patrick this and he also thought I was maybe a genius I sent you the what are we doing yesterday? Oh we talk about that. Should I should I let's just say we're trying to plan a fun launch party. We're and and where my mind goes is not wear regular. Launch parties go. Yeah. This isn't going to be a common get many Castle. Okay, wait because what you know, let's secret because oh well, I was going to secret it into the world. Okay. I want secret it into the world. No Universe now, we're not doing it. What do you mean? No, what do you like right now? Yeah, but you have to say the secret answer the world. Is that what you do? Yes, like you have to say what you want and then it'll come to you we like right around piece of paper and then like well, I mean listen I already said it to you. You and Patrick and my mom. I feel like it will be secret it at some point. But let's just say y'all are going to want to be a part of it. It might it might be my best idea. Yeah. No, it's pretty brilliant. I can't wait. I'm glad that you enjoyed it. Yeah. Well, I was driving sending you a voice memo. Okay good time. This is getting annoying. All right, right. Yeah, we're annoying. No, we're not annoying. Okay, Matt's shaking his head. No. Well, I can't wait for next episode and to hear all about About Orlando. Thank you and I can't wait for next episode because we have no idea what our next episode is. Yeah. Oh that reminds us. Yes you guys, please leave us comments about what you think. We should talk about on the next episode. We'll put a call out. And also, please remember to subscribe. Yes, please subscribe. We love seeing you guys comment on Instagram, and I know that some of you are probably not listening through Apple podcast your maybe listening through Stitcher. Or Spotify if you listen on Stitcher, I don't know what the technical term is. I guess you subscribe on Stitcher you add it to your library also follow us on Spotify. 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Everyone you listen to the young freshman podcast in this is episode 9. This is a really insightful chart with a guy called Gerald Peters. I came across Gerald on Instagram as he's been kind of sharing and documenting his portfolios in both real estate and Stock Investing and he now owns multiple rental properties and a portfolio of around 40 stocks. We went deep in the is almost 20 years of investing and Gerald shares some really insightful thoughts and stories from all hisVince's let's get into the absolute. Thanks for listening. So hey Gerald. Thanks for jumping on the podcast man. Really? Appreciate you taking the time out of your day to jump on and have a chat with me. So how you doin today? Absolutely great. It's an honor for real doing great. Nigel decided kill kill. What? Why don't you kick off by sharing a bit about yourself and what you do for a living what I do. I always have a hard time telling people that what is That I do for a living. I consider myself an investor. Yeah, I real estate investor primarily, but I also love to invest in stocks. So I'm just always trying to take money and put money into undervalued assets that I think are going to pay cash flow or generate income and an early period of time. I put a lot of time in that and just tried to build as big a base of possible and retired from like working as far as Jobs pretty early. Yeah. So invest for you is what I'd call myself. Yeah. Yeah, cool. And so were you you previously in a career path or a job or what did that look like for? Yeah, so I go from Heist like I was born and raised pretty lower middle class and I went to the Army. That was what kids like me did if I didn't have money to go to college didn't really have interest in college and if you just didn't know what you wanted to do, you could push that. Out by joining the military. Yeah and nice and I yeah, and I did that and you know, like life goes you have moments where you all set in your thinking changes on things. And and in the Army I met a guy and I was in his in his room. He was little bit of rank above us and kind of at that rink where they try to Mentor young people and and I look on his table and he had a statement and it said he had like a hundred and sixteen thousand dollars and I never you know, I was in just a moment here. Yeah. Yeah, yeah ever met and you know, I'm a pork and no one has $100,000 where I came from. Yeah, and that was the first moment. I realized like average people like normal people with normal jobs could amass lots of money if they just lived different way or thought differently. Hmm. Yeah, and and he was going to be and put it into a rural. Yeah. Yeah, so I'm like, holy you know, what are you going to do with that and his and I remember distinctly and I wish I could I tried to look him up and I haven't been able to find him but he was going to buy like, you know when those fast. Oil changing businesses, you know where you go in they just change oil. That's all they do. Yeah. Yeah. And so this is what is happening years ago and so should for all I know he owns a hundred those now. Yeah. Well, so so you're in the military then on and were you there for a couple years and then yeah, so I did you had almost seven years. I did marry the high school. So I've kind of did everything wrong in the first part of my life. I married my high school sweetheart. We got her pregnant. I'm divorced two years later Child Support. I'm in the Army. No college. So all these things are kind of like the not the ideal way. You should go about doing things and and, you know having that moment there and then I ended up having to re-enlist in the Army because I was in such a bad financial situation. And then I remember and I would again think back on the guy had the money and here I had made basically every decision wrong. Like we bought a brand new car. We're making payments. We got credit cards is no plan just living, right? Hmm and then and then I re-enlisted we got divorced and then I just had like a soul-searching moment in that and that point it was shortly. I get out of the army. I have twelve thousand dollars to my name and and I meet a guy long story short. In talks to me about real estate just like I gotta just a normal just a guy and he but he had a few dollars. He had a successful business and he basically told me what he would do with that money. Yeah gave me the little book to read and it was on real estate investing and within three months. I bought two houses nice. But yeah action what you learned. Yeah and all it was he said look man's fine a messed-up property, you know, he's going to have problems. That's why it's on sale and but make sure it's problems that you think you can handle in and then just spend the time handling it and and I basically did that. I bought a house for it was 22. No, no $35,000. I end up putting 7,500 down. You know, I still own it today mortgage free rent for like 850 think say 50 or 900 nice. Um, yeah, and that so then do and during this time. I started a I worked part-time as Prison guard. Yeah, so that gave me like a grand a month guarantee. I know it doesn't sound like much but this is 1999. Yeah, it's probably some weird bug Lana. It wasn't bad. It was it was actually a what you call a really good part time job because it gave you health benefits and a thousand bucks a month. Yeah, and I would just give that to my wife and she worked full-time and I said, hey, I've got this idea. Why don't we just save all of the money that we that I make for 7 to 10 years will invest literally every penny and and and then if we do that correctly, we may never need to work again, you know. Yeah, it was that all in the real estate or was that stalks? And yeah, they're very last attack originally. It was all real estate. That's because I learned it from that guy. Yeah, and I got to five houses. And then you know as you go through this journey I make I've got it to where I'm making like $1500 a month cash flow and those five right around that on those five properties and and I'm living really Frugal and I'm mowing yards. I'm doing anything I can do to make money on the side. So I've got where I'm saving four to five six thousand dollars a month and that's just through that process. You start learning about dividend stocks and started reading about that and I said and so I just came up with Strategy that worked for me and it was where we have crazy weather going. Yes. So I took all the money that I made actively working and I would just say four five six months. I would buy I would put down payment on a messed up house and then I would spend the next few months working on the house. Like I wouldn't hire people. I mean, you don't have to people all the time will be one of the push back side. Whenever I post this. They'll say that's the most ineffective way to do it and people will make comments. You shouldn't be over there working as if it's demeaning to work on your own stuff and I would save enormous amounts of money by doing my own painting. I've put in carpet like all these things. You can just learn them on YouTube. Yeah. Yeah. I mean you've met these people who work there not rocket scientists. It's not the most complicated things and so I would save enormous amounts of money doing That and that helped with Woody and that helped with you know cash flow and I would just read I just kept reinvest in it. And sometimes stocks are on sale. So like 2003 I was in you know involved in that. I was just kind of doing it Stock Investing. So I didn't know what to do with that. Like I just rode that out but inside officers Tech bubble. Yeah the tech bubble. I was just starting to do stocks. So to be honest, I didn't really know what I was doing other than just buying some shares. Yeah, but then after that is I began to educate myself and study and read books and you know try to get serious and go down all the little rabbit holes. I'm sure everybody else goes down options and commodities. I did all these things or experienced all these things and I finally just realized what was really working for me was buying assets that paid me money and just holding them over long periods of time. Yeah, and then buying them when their own sales so like when 2008 happen, I mean, I I bought a lot of stock. Like for that a dollar fifty and it was just taking large companies that I knew weren't going to go out of business and just investing in them. Yeah, you know right before we got on the call. I was doing that today mortgage REITs have really come down in America. They're down like 20 something percent because of interest rate fears and all this and that, you know, yeah, and so so in terms of this the stalks you said you kind of just off the tech bubble hop and you were just kind of buying yes, obviously, you know, you had a bit of a strategy and you know, you're constantly reading and learning and can upscale in yourself. How did you then go a bite, you know choosing these companies was just the case of like you say choosing companies that you knew were reputable and on were very unlikely quite a business exactly. And so I think sometimes People make this way more complicated than it needs to be. Obviously. I mean you can make you could really bog yourself down and study and then never do anything and I would just do stuff that seemed obvious to me like we're at Walmart and it's always full. Yeah, and then I look and Walmart's down 50% So is everything else so it obviously has nothing to do specifically with Walmart. And so to me water he can only climate and Whoever else is going on and act like yeah the economy and you know, and you don't have to be a you know, Certified Financial Advisor to see that and go. Okay what I'm that I made a lot of money and I think these come all the time on my podcast. That's how I call it the money flow if you just watch the flow of money. Yeah. I live in Texas. So it's oil country. So I have renters who work for oil companies and and all sudden they're having to move and oil prices are dropping. And I want to say it's 2015 and it went from like a hundred dollars a barrel to literally under $30 a barrel. Well, I just began to study this even though I lived in Texas a lot of that. I was a child so I don't really remember the ups and downs of the oil Market. Yeah, and you just go back and read and you're like damn this happens all the time Canada, which is read it I go. Wow this happens all the time. What would be a logical low-risk way? Profit from this and it was I just put like $30,000 in Exxon Chevron and Conoco Phillips. That's not rocket science, but I did it when all the price of oil went below the cost of actually drilling it out of the ground. Hmm, they can't say them to me. Yeah, and so do you he did you just you know hold those shares? Yes till this day or so. So certain point where you felt. So what I do I use a what I call a core strategy. So if I take a I'm never going to buy something with the idea of selling it in a week that just doesn't make sense to me. But so when I buy something I literally when I buy them like, okay, I'm going to own this for the rest of my life. And so it keeps you from just moving in and out and then so what I would do when it when it the time looks beautiful like the price is too low. I'll buy a lot more than I want to own for the rest of my life. Yeah, and as as I'm proven right over time as the price comes up and I use some indicators because I am a traitor I use various indicators for chart reading and whatnot. And when the price is overpriced, I'll look to sell a little bit of that to put to work in something else. That's under prized. Yeah, so it's a constant kind of flew between exactly overpriced. You'll sell off put it into something that's undervalued. And is that Loadout to to write up? I've right now I think last time I checked I had 41 various stocks ETFs closed in funds. There's like 40 one of them in the portfolio. Yeah, and I and I used to be a nerd about it and I would rank them like if you ever watch Jim Cramer he ranks some one to five and and I would you can just get carried away with all of this. Now. I've been doing it, you know 18 years. I can just look at them and know them psych following a football team for long enough. You just know everything about it. Yeah, you don't have to look it up. You just know and yeah, I'll be like wow. Okay, all of the utility stocks are way overpriced right now. Yeah, because the market selling like there's logical reasons for a lot of these things. Yeah, and I would sell some shares not a lot like I did that recently. I sold 50 shares of Southern electorate to purchase some higher yield and Lee Capital. It's been really beat up and so I'm just moving and that and then that situation I'm actually Using the portfolio yield like I'm going from a 5% yielder. That was five when I bought it. It's now for and I'm moving to something that's in the 10 range. Yeah, and so I don't know what term for that. I'm sure there is a term for that where I'm rolling the yield into a higher yield by investing into the ones that are under Priced Right. Yeah, and so those 41 stocks that you mentioned there. Are they all dividend payers? Yes. Yes. I have a couple to Gold stocks. They don't trade they don't have dividends their gold stocks. Okay, and I will do the what I described it strategy. I just described right now gold is heating up if you watch US Stock Market, so those gold stocks were probably going to outperform. Yeah, and I will probably downsize them when gold gets overpriced, you know? Yeah, and and sometimes you just get that wrong but it is a portfolio. I'm not responsible to anyone but myself I'm right enough that I can work my way out of these things and and sometimes you can just say well shit. I got that one wrong, you know. It ain't the end of the world because no one position is going to blow you out. Yeah. Yeah, I think you mentioned that in one of your videos that I watched that you know, you're going to get one in maybe 10 or 20 that are just absolute flops that you know crash and burn but that happens in real estate to a lot of people don't because sometimes I listen to the debates between stocks and real estate and it makes me laugh because I love both asset classes and I think there's a time for each Each, you know, I mean if you look next door and the house is cheap. You should buy it. Don't worry about stocks. Yeah, I mean if you have stocks just let them sit let them sit there and collect dividends. You don't need to do anything with them. But if you look over there and it's while these houses are five times more than they should be. Well, you know, there's other places to look to make money. Yeah, it's kind of my thought on it. Yeah, and then in terms of the dividend income, I loves it, you know, you have this kind of concept of you know, just constantly going broke. So anytime you see of up and earn, you know, good chunk of money. I think you mentioned it was $5,000. You'll just deploy that you know and go back to zero because you know, what uses art in your Because you might as well get it into an offset that's going to flow cash, right? Exactly. And here's what happens. Let's say you're a guy that sometimes that I was using that number because that would take me originally like a couple months of saving saving saving. You know what I meet guys who that's a that's one month, right? So these numbers are relative. And so what I always tell people will either add a zero take a zero away. The concept is the same a 16 year old kid could do and it could be $500. Imagine if me and you and started doing that. $2,500 is kids. Yeah, you know we would probably be sitting on hundreds of grad when we were young adults, you know, and so yeah, I 5,000 increment works for me and if it was a house than I would have to go more because when I originally started buying houses, the downpayment range was between seven and ten thousand dollars. Okay today. I'm looking at 15 to 20,000 maybe a little more. Yeah, yeah and so over that time as of those properties obviously increase in value significantly since you first purchased some yeah, yeah. Yeah some I don't even know how to I mean you'd have to be a technical nerd to I'm sure there's ways to put values on some of them but like I have one that I'm working on today. I'm literally here today. I pay 22 grand for it like 2004. Yeah, I put 10 into fixing it up. It's never had a mortgage. You know, I paid cash. Yeah, and and it's been rented ever since you know, and then it's worth it's worth like a hundred fifty Grand. She's there's a way to I mean obviously you can input all that and get a return but it's got to be in the thousands. I mean, I'm guessing. Yeah, and then, you know one the other day I did a video and I originally purchased it. I put 16,000 down. My loan was 80 something Grand. It's been paid on for 10 years. The loans down to 42 the house is now worth 160. So I just took the loan back to the original loan and my mortgage payment is basically the same as it was last month except now, I started all over again started all over again and I got a check for 40 Grand. Yeah. Yeah, I increase my debt for sure, but I was already servicing that debt like it's no big deal. It's not a lot of debt. Yeah, it wasn't an issue and it's been covered by the mortgage payments. Right? Exactly. It's cash. - phone it like almost 600 a month. I still have 50 percent equity in it because it's doubled in 10 years so mean obviously I could get out of the deal for some reason I needed to but then I took that 40 and to me I thought the right now were in my situation the best things I can see are in stock. So I'm immediately 25,000 have it transferred to the brokerage account. You know the other money I set aside to try to find a house. So we're going to try to do that. But I moved that into that account. So it's out of my checking. It's already allocated. Yeah towards gonna play offsets, right? Yeah. Yeah after a while your wife will be like a new purse. Yeah. So you mentioned there, you know talking Buck if we were kids or young adults, you know, what we would do, but what would you do or what would you say to someone maybe listen to this podcast? They're in there. You know, let's say lead things or early twenties even early 30s. What kind of advice would you give them, you know in terms of real estate and stocks and like the mindset around at all, you know conventional thought is you want to tell like we have famous famous guy here does a radio show he always tells them, you know focus on College and this I don't know. I think that's the wrong and one avoid all that money not going out is the The same as money coming in so and I tell my son this all the time because he has a friend and you know sewing $50,000 in college debt. I'm like, yeah, but you understand if if you have 50 in cash and they have 50,000 in debt. That's not a $50,000 problem. That's $100,000 problem. Yeah, because of the interest. Yeah. Yeah, and so if they need 50 just to get to zero. So so the difference between having a positive 50 and being in debt 50 is enormous. It's not 50, right? It's a hundred the difference between the two so avoiding debt, but then I would I would play in the stock market. I mean, my son is 16 years old. He makes money and I have him in three funds and every month. He puts money in those, you know. Yeah, and I would at a young age. I mean I would I would do that if your mind is in that. It's an odd young person who's going to dig into Finance, but in the other thing too, I mean if I was going to go into real estate, I did it I did single family housing, but I don't know I would just look to see where's the best opportunity at the time because you'll see a lot of people swear by apartment you need to do only apartments only Apartments. Well right now apartments are not the where to be and I my area they're too expensive. Hmm, there's no value there. You're buying an over expense your body and expensive asset. It's like trying to flip a Louis Vuitton purse. I mean, it's already expensive. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's harder, right? Yeah, but all I see right. I mean we both know the earlier you come to these ideas of compounding and cash flow and really getting you know, I get the biggest push back from kids all the time. I get I talk to a lot of people on Instagram and they their complaint will be For $5,000. You're only getting $50. That's what that's what my next kind of question was going to be. You know, I think a lot of people look at maybe the return that you're going to get and yes, you know, that's Ed's two three four percent in terms of dividends and maybe you know for five ten percent year on year and they'll just get not overwhelmed but just it's not a sight worth it in the end. Yeah. It's not exciting. And of course, it's not in the week two week cycle, but like you say, it's the complaining over many years and the long-term thinking which I think is completely messing and you know our society today because everything is instant and it's you know gratification and people don't think long-term. Yeah, and it doesn't look like a fun game. I always try to explain that to my son. Is that when I see when I turn the TV on in the morning, like if I'm getting coffee every morning I turned on to the financial Channel. Yeah, and I see in my mind. I'm playing a giant game of financial chess. Yeah. And so to me, it's exciting. You know, I can move in anybody can play in this game. You can buy the same thing Warren Buffett's by in tomorrow that it's right from your phone. And if you're really good at it, you can get really rich really Fast but it's not a game that's promoted. You know people rather be YouTubers or whatever else, you know, and you can then here's an exact like I was at we have an indoor water park here in Texas. It's an indoor water park, which is Texas is at that's a crazy idea because it's so hot outside but it was really really cool and they gave you these wristbands and you didn't carry money because you're inside a water park. You can't really carry money and so you Just do this little wristband and it would give you a soda do it'll give you a food anything all through this whole part beer. You just show him your badge. They give you a beer and all I see is people spending money. Like it's it's packed I go look it up. It's a two dollar and fifty cent stock. And I'm like the coolest. Yeah, this this company that owned these indoor water parks. These were it was I'm trying to think of the name now, it's not Great Wolf Lodge. It was one of similar to that and so it's like Splashtown or wet and wild but it's indoors and they you know, they have a giant hotel in there and it's like just a crazy water park. So I bought a thousand shares and I'm reading on the company while we're there and I'm like, wow, these guys are making a fortune how have I never had? Of this and so I just bought $2,500 within 12 months man a private Equity Firm took that thing public or took it private and paid everyone $14 this year well, but I have like 20 stories like that. Like yeah. These aren't complicated you I was standing in Walmart and I saw a lady in a red shirt scanning items and as I excuse me, what are you doing? And she said quality control and I looked and these people weren't working. For Walmart, and I looked on my smart phone and it said these are the people when you have inventory problems. These are the people you call. So I was look went and looked it up online all the different stock sites. Nobody says anything about Walmart having quality control problems. So I waited and then the earnings came out and the CEO said they were having inventory problems stuff was getting clogged. It wasn't Distributing effectively throughout America and they were losing Revenue because of this. Why was right there they're already working on it, right? Yeah, they're fixing it and the stock Got Cream dude, and then something else happened in it for over like a two-week period it goes down like 20 something percent. And so I bought a bunch of shares. It's just being in the money flow man just paying attention to the news the world around you and how many moves yeah. Yeah. I think it's of mindset of being aware of what's actually going on and the products and services that you are consumed in and buy These other people are crying you've seen on my I'm sure you've experienced in your life. You look backing like damn. I knew that I saw that I was buying that like Netflix. Yeah, I think back to specifically for me. It's the PlayStation and Xbox were yeah. I know it still exists but back whenever I was at high school and I'm playing, you know that constantly every night and the companies that were behind, you know lose those games or lose. Mmm. What are you calling like gaming platforms? It's like had I am invested in Microsoft at the age of 15 or 10 even. Yeah, you know and it's not like a hundred and twenty five dollar stock Nike. I mean we both watch that become a phenomena. Yeah one that I did buy into was Starbucks. I mean, I witnessed that, you know, yeah and you can't buy them all so that's not my suggestion. But if you just become observant and and conscious of the moments around you you I think you did. Find these all the time. So what some of the you know company or product or try on that the minute that you are observing and think that you know, the next 5 10 15 years is going to potentially pop or be a big head not a big hit but what I'm concerned about is automobiles. Yeah, I own a bunch of shares of Ford and pays a nice dividend. I'm scratching my head on where the future of that is. Yeah, what was Tesla you mean or web which is everything of just the whole everything. I mean, you know will we even be making a combustible engine in 20 years? Hmm because I buy to hold these for life. So when I'm 70 year old man, is this a problem, you know, yeah. But as far as looking good man, you know, what's funny as I've been doing this longer and longer I catch myself looking less and less it like what's the and I probably should I this was probably my age coming out but it's more of like, where's the value and what I already own because I own so many as like do you need to add another? Yeah or and I'm more so doing sector analysis like right now, I'm Kind of excited about mortgage-backed security route all the various streets and closed in phones in that whole sector. Yeah interest rates problem, you know, it puts pressure on that that industry is that industry going away? No, not at all and they're 20% cheaper than they were two months ago. That's it. I'm interested because of the nature of the market fear and greed it always goes too low and it always goes too high. Yeah. Yeah, and you're priming does They have to be perfect just has to be where there's value so long term Trend man. I don't know. I wonder that but in the short term, I mean there's lots of stuff opening up. Yeah, and I would follow heresy. And if you mention that young person and what I'd be looking at every morning, I'm looking at where's the SP? Where's the doll wears gold. Where's oil? Where's interest rates if I look at those seven and understand what I'm looking at, then it really makes everything else makes sense. Hmm a lot of things begin to make sense, you know. Yeah. So what goes through your head whenever you're looking at them, you know because I'm conscious they're probably to listen to this that maybe don't even know what the S&P 500 is. Yeah, let's let's say they do but what goes through your head whenever you are looking at those things on the news. Mainly I'm looking to see Me I use charts and I'm always looking at where is price in relation to the 20-day moving average. So I have a very simple strategy if it's above it. We're moving up if it's below it. We're moving down. Hey, and I tend to think things stay in motion until they're no longer in motion. So I don't need to worry. Well, is it going to go up tomorrow? I don't know that I know today it's going down. So I'm observing that why are we in a downtrend? So right now the US Stock Market and the way I look at stocks. We're in a downtrend. So that means to me. Hey if I can get my hands on some more cash. I need to get ready. There's going to be some bargains. Yeah, and so I'm scanning sectors where where's the biggest discount right now? It's in it's in mortgage REITs. For the u.s. You know, what do you guys call it the ftse 5500 or something? In England, I don't actually know what the exact equivalent is already afoot. See I may be mistaken on that but every country has it that think Germany is the Dax. Yes, the ftse is the equivalent Yeah. Well, yeah, I guess the S&P. Yeah, so if I'm you I'm gonna keep my eye on that. What's the lending rate being for mortgages? Like I just refinanced and it was five point seven percent. Yeah, that's pretty high, you know four years ago. I paid three seven. Hmm. That's a that's a oh, no, you know I run a multimillion-dollar portfolio. So two million dollars and you're going in to refine it get the numbers get 2% can make a big difference, you know? Yeah, absolutely. So there's that to consider. So you want to keep an eye on you know, where a mortgage rates if mortgage rates go up housing prices are coming down. That's how them that they have an inverse reaction to each other. If you notice I've been noticing lately. I've been getting lots of emails that like discover my local bank. They're all having these 2.3 2.4 savings rates if that continues the stock market will come down. It's just the way things are priced because why would you put money in a stock paying you to percent when you could put it in the bank getting three percent with no risk? Yeah for guarantee you if you're old not all of us not all of us are going to do that. But old people are right. Yeah, or at least scared ones are yeah, and so that could create an imbalance for me and you all of a sudden we're going to see these high quality stocks get mispriced as all that because money doesn't come out in nice little even trickles it comes out in Russia's. Hmm, and so all of a sudden stocks get price down 10 20 30 percent or whatever and you you find yourself. You have a deal. Yeah. I'm sorry, honey. Are you studying history man? That really helped me to just study history. Hmm, like what happened after the Great Depression or what? Why don't you I'm sure you guys have similar things. But what happened to the US Stock Market after 9/11 Yeah, it felt 20% like in one day. Yeah, but then probably recovery run. Yeah, but if you were a guy who was already following these things you already watched it every morning you had a chance to make a lot of money, right? Hmm. Yeah, but you had you know, you had to be there and be doing it so I would do it even if I didn't have money if you don't have money, you still follow it. Yeah, just a to learn and to yeah, I guess get knowledge right and then to you know back to real estate mean with the online platforms guys can invest in real estate without even physically own in anymore. Yeah. See ya. so in terms of learning and an upscale in yourself and all this, do you think yes, it's a process of switching on your mind said to be aware of everything and like you called the money flow, but in terms of you know books or mentors, what would you suggest people do your where should they go to seek that kind of information and knowledge. I mmm it's a tough one, right? There's so much information. Yeah, the mentor Guru thing scares me. I follow a lot of these guys and I read their stuff it blows my mind. Some of them charge three four five thousand dollars. Yeah, because everything I learned I learned for free. Basically, I mean not totally like I've bought Grant cardones $49. It's a reasonable price. So I'll pay you got something for 49 bucks. I'm all ears. And so I've bought lots of those things of hundred bucks 200 bucks training courses books and then I'll do you know, I'm research that against what other people there's a lot of people that give a lot of value for free or 20 bucks you buy their book and you learn a lot Time of information but then you also got a filter that where where you are. You know, there are guys that will tell you you should not buy single family homes if I followed that advice I wouldn't be a multimillionaire. Like I wouldn't I would have never had it the building. Where would that money have come from? I was a regular guy. Yeah, and so I did it through buying low priced assets that other people say you shouldn't buy and then turning them profitable and leveraging up, you know, so. Within that education space. I think that's a problem is people are different ages. They have different talents. They have different reason they may be living in an area where it is perfect for flipping houses. And they're and they're reading a Forex Trading course. Yeah, you know and that always makes me is you got to be so, you know, you need to be conscious of what's going on around you without going too deep down a rabbit hole of right and wrong. Like I have people sometimes to reply to my post and tell me why I'm wrong and what they're quoting is Robert Kiyosaki who's an amazing guy, but he's like a billionaire doing something different than you. So the way here Use the world is a little different hmm, you know, it's a much higher view from where you're at down here if that's where you're at. You know, I met a guy recently. He owned a level, you know, those those storage facilities where you put you store your goods. Yeah. Okay. I was just telling ya he had 1,100 units. Well, their rent collection was like a hundred thousand dollars a month in all they did was run you storage buildings, you know, and I was like, how did you get in that? He goes? Well, no, there were no any there was none in our area. So I mean it was that simple. Yeah, he just built them but there's no guru courses on that. No, you know and there's no I don't know all the way. I know you catch that is you're just in the money flow. You're always looking around and house money being exchanged. Where's the value? Where's the opportunity in my towel my area with my abilities and my skill set, right? Yeah. Yeah, so I would just start taking and learning from I think you learn from lots of people. Yeah, it's a kind of curiosity isn't it's a curious mind set and being open to good work. Yeah being open to learn and you know, yeah here different people's opinions and seven core. I don't know probably at seven. I've bought several courses on making money with options options trading. Yeah and after going through these extensively I've come I think it's dumb like I'm realize there's some people who figured out how to do it. It ain't for Like when I read it, but I didn't I didn't get ripped off or anything like that. I just invest a little money and by doing that I realized okay, I saved myself a lot of time because I really don't like this. Yeah, if it's a lot more like a like a risk like yes gamble compared to actual long-term investing, doesn't it? Yeah, and so I just began to make things as simple as possible. What is guaranteed like what is really right in front of me? That is so simple that it works like it's it'll work and and I think if you It doesn't have to be some crazy crypto coin. It could be something literally right next door, you know. Hmm, and that's not just one thing. I also find two if they're selling it to you really hard. You know, it's you don't see billionaires doing that. No, you know, Warren Buffett doesn't sell courses or it just it it's I mean I'm and I like these things and I have a book and I sell a book and I give a book away, but it always You know, I get contacted by all these people and I'm sure you do online and they're selling something a book a course and it's like dude if this does half of what you said, you wouldn't be talking to me you really belong with me. Yeah. Why would you bother with me? If you're doing five thousand percent a month later. He was just selling a $10 even if it doesn't make sense, right? I don't know man. So I just try to keep it simple and do the also for me. I got really obsessed with this idea. Of trying to build as big a base as possible and I worked like eight days a week seven days a week right now. I don't I take off one day a week and often don't do that. Yeah, you know, it's a constant. My wife is constantly like dude. Why are you working with an likes I got shit to do, you know? Yeah. I'm trying to make money. I'm trying to do things, but I will like it we're going on vacation or something that I got to turn it off, right? Yes Jill. Yeah, but I'm just always on so You know if there's empty space there then I want to try to fill it and find Value make money and then try to invest as much of that money as possible. So that's kind of my archery, you know. Yeah going back to that question would touched on earlier about people thinking that a 3% dividend on $100 share isn't good. What would you say to them? Like if that's all they can invest at that specific time, and that's all they're going to make for that particular month, but You know, how do you convince them that it's worth it and that they needed to think longer term. And and I don't know. I read a study that said there's a certain percentage of people who cannot in their own mind like it's something they're born with they cannot Envision themselves as an older person like her Hood when they when they Envision that person it's like a stranger and and if they invest money they feel like they lost the money like it's gone. Yeah, like it's gone and beautiful. I kind of blame her. German accounts a little because you know in your mind that money you're not gonna see that money to you're an old person. Hmm. What if that money was right there and you can use it tomorrow so you now you don't feel so bad about have in this is and I began to focus more on assets that that weren't connected to retirement because it'll make me money tomorrow or next month. Yeah, and so I could see that money coming back also the future value of time and money. I did a video here a while back and I Oh that an idea $10,000 in Philip Morris or not. We're Ultra. It's a mo pay 6% And then I was showing what happened over a period of 10 years. So today I still own it, but it's more than doubled. Hmm, like way more than doubled and the dividends like three or four times more than when I did it. So is it six percent know it's a hell of a lot more than 6% because if what I'm looking at is my original paid price. Yeah, I'm sure you know the income stream today is more like 20% of my original purchase price. Well, yeah, so would you like 20 percent returns and most people say yeah cool. What'd you do today will pay you that in 10 years? Yeah and some Warren Buffett who doesn't it? Yeah, you know Plumping it someone planted a tree that you're not even sell through under. Yeah. Hey and I just began to I don't know. Begin to do it as I got old specially now is I'm or some like I enjoy investing now because I'm thinking about dude when I am 62. I'm going to have like if it brings me joy now like I don't know it's a weird thing maybe and it's not so much about the money per se because I'm not I drive a 19 year old truck like I yeah, I just love the art to me. It's like a game. It's all art investing getting a return. I just enjoy it like some people Joy watching football. Yeah, you got a kick out of it. Yeah, and I don't think you can give that to someone someone just has to get it right the it's the first rent check. I got like the guy couldn't mail it for some reason he ended up having to come to my house and he comes to my house and he hands me cash $700. Yeah, and and then he gets in his car and drives away, you know, and I'm like, holy cow and it occurred to me what if I had 20 of these? Yeah, well that seems obvious but it was like a moment like seeing the guy with the $100,000 because if you gave me $100,000 it's going to pay me a thousand dollars a month because of what I know. Yeah, he'll deploy it in the right way. Yeah, and so now I got $1,000 a month what I could go to Burger King with it. I could spend 600 and still have some left. Right and so sometimes I think to that's what people get tripped up and as they don't understand you keeping your money you get to keep your money and they give you money. Money for keeping it. Yeah, and if you get to enough I used to use this analogy with my son. Imagine if every day you woke up you put on your pair of pants and you found a hundred dollar bill. Yeah, that's three grand a month. It's not as hard as people think once you learn about these things that pay even higher interest and when to buy them, you know, So it gets pretty nice 30 percent Returns on half a million get exciting. Mmm. She's you just got to get the numbers up bigger. That's the problem. Yeah, yeah, man, so that's so addressing. It's fascinating here and you kind of mindset and the way you kind of think about the other money flow and you know how you deploy it in the assets and all that good stuff kind of just wrapping up them. What won't be like the the one piece of advice or even quote as cliché as that signs that you'd maybe just like some up to someone if you had the leave them with something. Something that here's here's something I do that helps me one I think communicating with other people doing the same thing helps. Yeah, because chances are like your family doesn't want to hear it. They've heard it from me a million times. So finding like-minded people is an excellent strategy and something that's always helped me grounded. I'm a huge fan of Warren Buffett and Charlie Munger. I don't Yes, exactly like they do but just to listen to them talk I often will go on YouTube when I'm working and just listen to interviews from like 1994. And then you listen to one in the year 2016 and the exact same dude saying the exact same things. Yeah, nothing changed and then and then I you know, and you go look at everyone else and it seems to constantly change. So I don't know just finding those people and then just just sitting with them and just listening to him and getting that I that philosophy of buying holding but understanding your receiving a returns from holding. I mean, I collected 20 $2,900 in dividends like in the last three weeks I could spend that money. Yeah, you know, I mean that's that money, you know, or the of those dividends that are coming from stocks that you invest in five. Yeah, then 20 years ago. Exactly. Yeah. So sometimes I think the oldest doc I own is like 17 years, but that is when I first started. Hmm, and that's not that's not that long a time. Really. Yeah, and at about the time I was broke. To be honest, and then when I started making some good money, I just invested it all like one year me and my wife invested like $80,000. So it's investing huge sums of money just constantly. And in doing it you if you follow me. I say it all the time 7 to 10 years. So you just got to do it for 7 to 10 years. Hmm. Yeah, and then so I'm I'm going off on the cons in but then yeah you mentioned there's 40 stocks to choose one of those make up a significant portion or are you sort of even across the board it has at times but I you know, it's probably a weakness of mine. I'm not very good at because And you should you should rebalance these things sometimes so it doesn't make sense to rebalance it. I was just having a conversation a friend of mine just inherited $200,000 of Exxon stock. Yeah, and he's free. He's freaked out by the amount because it's way more than anything else. He owns in life and he wants to sell it and I'm like, so if you had inherited all of X on the entire company, would you immediately break it up and sell it all? Yeah, and he was like, no. It's like I know because you're not viewing this as business. business Yeah, thank you. You have all these traditional 401K advisors and financial advisors. They're all in your head right now. Because they've been told you shouldn't have concentrated wealth. Jeff Bezos didn't get rich by buying and having a diversified portfolio. Yeah. But he got rich through Investments his through shares, right? Yeah, he owns shares in Amazon so you can be disproportionate if you understand the business. Is I guess what I'm trying to say. Yeah, I've done that at times. I had an enormous position in the lecture Company Southern electric and Duke for my net worth like 20 30 percent of my net worth was in them. So hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars and then that Wildfire happened in California. Yeah. And it kind of made me got me changing that little bit Yeah, because they sued the bejesus out of that lecture company and that changed the rules of the game. It never occurred to me that the electric company could be sued for a natural fire like a wildfire. Yeah. So to change the nature of the business, yeah, it was now a new risk in the business that I own and that I was collecting about five thousand dollars a year in income from so oh do we want it? You know, we have the luxury because we're owners to we could diversify down a little bit on that. I don't want to get out of it. But I may want to justify just a little right. Yeah. Yeah, so Yeah, I will at positions grow too large if I feel comfortable in them. But again it you know, the look the less the less, you know, the more Diversified you should be without a doubt. Hmm. Yeah, so a good one to start out with just these just an index fund just are put money in there. Yeah, and then as you become more and more sophisticated and learn a little bit, maybe pull a little bit out and put it in a single company and then just over time you build up a portfolio. Yeah. I love it. Yeah, cool it. Yeah that mean that was basically the strategy. Yeah. Well, hey, thanks. Thanks. Much for jumping on the podcast. Where's the best place people can follow up with you or Instagram? I'm sure yeah, it's rough Instagram have full auto one one. Yeah, just like the gun nice. Hey man, I appreciate the talk. Excellent. Yeah. Thanks Jeff. Appreciate it. If you haven't subscribed yet to my podcast. What are you waiting for? Please hit that subscribe button and leave me a review to let me know what you think about the podcast.

"Money not going out is the same as money coming in." In this interview, Niall goes one-on-one with Gerald Peters, a full time real estate and stock market investor! Gerald also has a podcast called the Science of Getting Rich, and is also an author of the book "You Don't Have to Die Broke". We went deep into his almost 20 years of investing and Gerald shares some really insightful thoughts and stories from all of his experiences. Should you invest in dividend stocks? Should you invest in real estate? Gerald shares his thoughts as well as a concept he calls 'the money flow'. Don't miss this really insightful episode! Find Gerald here:  Instagram:    https://www.instagram.com/fullauto11/ ____________________  Welcome to the Young Professional Podcast - my name is Niall Lawther and I’m hugely passionate about business and entrepreneurship. I started this podcast because I wanted to connect with and learn from successful entrepreneurs and business owners, and share their stories and insights. I hope these episodes allow you to learn, grow and level up in your life! Thanks for listening - please consider subscribing and leave a review, it'll make my day!

What's up, who are you listening to at the bridge part? So 18 today? We're going to be reviewing our to nil win over brighten the Premier League as well as getting off and running in the Champions League with a 2-1 win in Lille. I am your host Mike in joining me as always is my co-host Chris. So let's get this episode on the road. Welcome back everyone to another episode of of at the bridge part. I am your host Mikey and joining me as always is my co-host Chris. How are you today? How are you doing today? Well, okay my friend. How are you? I'm good. I am in a podcast mood. I've got my Georgie no shirt. ER. I mean only a good frame of mind. So so this week the free kick pod our friends over in America released their episode in which I am a guest on so you can check that interview out by following the link in this episode of description. We have got news, which is always fun. Have you the news Frank Lampard that he's Frank Lampard has been nominated for September manager of the month in the Premier League alongside Eddie House Bournemouth, Jürgen klopp at Liverpool and obviously Brendan Rodgers at Leicester. So if we take a look at lampard's record for September, it reads us three played two wins, which came against Brighton and 5-2 victory over wolves the defeat coming against Liverpool well-deserved. I'd say still a tough. It's a tough competition. Oh, that's tough competition there to win the award. I don't think he's going to win it. No, I agree. I think it's probably going to be clop. I don't know. I think Brendan Rodgers might win it potentially is I think it's decided by the fans. I think you folks either Lampard today. So okay and usually, well usually if it was an ass if it was, you know, I am read probably win. Yeah. Yeah, that's kind of how it works. That's that's right. He won it for August Jürgen klopp did so, you know, I think it's time to spread the award out. You know, I think I think Rogers to win it personally, I'd love to see Frank get it, but I'm a realist. I think Brendan Rodgers should get it. Anyway. Well, yeah, I mean, he's he did some incredible perfect. He's done himself no harm this month. It's been incredible moment for Lester early. It really has I mean look, obviously, we're not part of care of the month that goes to the FIFA thumb basin. Besides that's going to be fun. Hmm for that. I think it would probably be between may be deployed on a balmy young but it's going to be whoever the one who ever wants the best card, isn't it? That's kind of how that works. I mean as a FIFA Player, I think I'd probably rather a bum young but I wouldn't complain it de bruyne to be honest. Well goal of the month has got to Chelsea nominees in you've got and go low can't a for his goal against Liverpool. Yes, and for KO tamori for his goal against wolves. Mmm, so great Go sir personally for me if a sense about scores from 30 yards out. He wins it already but I yeah, I mean, he's got the win it. He's got competition from Jetro Williams to Newcastle southampton's Musa Jen po Jeff Hendrick Burnley Madison against Tottenham Creswell against United and Trent against us personally I voted for tomorrow because I thought it was just a ridiculous one. It's potentially a one in a million one in a lifetime sort of goal. I mean it, you know, they're just one of them breathtaking moments. So what do you said after the game? You said you tried loads of them in training and yet it's a odds over the bar. So I mean that shows how good of a goalie really was and I think he should get it to be honest. But and go to can says was an incredible guy sure special goal. Yeah. So yeah, we're heading into an international break. Yay. Yay. So that means the England squad has been announced. And they're all buried there is no Jesse lingard. Yeah this we've got we've got some call-ups for the Chelsea Squad from the Chelsea Scott Ian. We've got Tammy Abraham. Well deserved. Definitely. We've got that goal of the month Contender for KO tamori truly deserved. Definitely Mason Mount and Ross Barkley round up the the four names on that sheet from our club and we've got more players in the squad than Tottenham Hotspur just saying A pool potentially. Yeah, I think so. I think we should for Liverpool of got three and I think yeah, I think we've got the most single players in the squad. I think maybe right. I don't pay much attention to International Football unless it's when it well when we get to tournaments going Nations League goal Euros Etc. How do you feel that if if they will play A Part obviously that those four going to do for the England team this I mean being qualifiers, I think rightly or wrongly. I think the person is having to play the most of the four of them. It's actually gonna be Ross Barkley even though he's probably the one that is in the least amount of form. Really I think mount my guests are this time around I think to Maureen Abraham will come off the bench at some point. I don't think they'll get in starts. But yeah, I think Barkley will probably start both games. Well interestingly. They're both away fixtures there against the Czech Republic Bulgaria. Yeah first The places to go personally. I just just want our players to come back fully fit. That's yeah. Yeah, you know, I think we're ready. I mean but Tammy Abraham he tapped. Let's cut with obviously mace amount was in the previous squads. Well as Berkeley but yet focusing on Abraham and tomorrow to incredible months they've had in September and they deserve these call-ups. They truly do and two more especially I'd say, I mean tamori for me has been absolutely unbelievable since he's coming to the squaddies are not Price at all. I mean Midway good gone to a bit like it but he was just superb you look so so comfortable in that same and I think once you put them in England team, you look comfortable in there and I believe you know, it will be an important player for England for many years to come. I mean just looking at those those three particular names obviously Abraham tomorrow in Mount they were plying their trade last season in the championship the second tier of English football and they've stepped up into the Premier League. They have taken it by storm. They have been incredible and all All three of them if you just said a year ago that these three Championship low knees are going to be key players in the Chelsea Squad people are just took the mick but they have been incredible and I'm so happy for them. Not only because they're great great guys, but obviously coming from the academy they finally shown that you can get from the academy into the Chelsea first two if you're good enough a lot credit is it's got to go to them. I mean their hard work in their professional and when the time is It's actually get a chance to child should have took it by storm. Every single one of them has paid really really really well Mal started on fire in the Premier League Abraham just got eight goals. Now this season which is an incredible return so far and tomorrow, even though it's only just got in the shower steam. It's been superb and you know, you've got to give a lot of credit to them. You got give a lot of credit to Lampard and like I said last week you've got to give a lot of credit to the championship and the level of football in that League. It's a ridiculously competitive league as we know many it is one of the best leagues to watch. Obviously we Have a lot of American listeners honestly the championship if you don't really watch it just watch one or two games. It can be ridiculously fun to watch it. Really can I mean there's a lot of really really high quality players in their mean you got Pablo Hernandez at the zoo of love for ages. Now mean he's a superb play for them. You've got loads of teams could easily fit in the Premier League right now in which I'm sure that's open of a level it is. Oh 100% 100% And also spin enough with regards to Two more in Abraham. Both of them are apparently very close to agree new five-year contracts according to Sky Sports. So again another huge boost because these guys could be key for the next looks about five years. They really could be a huge core part of our Squad and it that's only a good thing. I mean if I'd advise you to start a season that mount Abraham and to Maury beekeepers for us and we'll be signing New Deals or Direction have been it would have been that's nice. Keep them. Keep them in the squad, you know. No, you never know. I would not have expected tomorrow, especially because I know he won Championship the Derby's play of the season last year, but he just wasn't a player. We had David Luiz, of course rudiger Christensen. I didn't really see where he would have been able to fit into that team on a consistent week in week out basis obviously sliding doors moment as I've mentioned in previous episodes David Lewis leaving has been incredibly incredibly positive for tomorrow, but the point is tomorrow has been given that chance. And he's taken it and he's now you can't think about offense without him in it. And when you think of him and potentially rudiger as a partnership. Wow, I'm just I'm looking forward to the that day. I really am. No, I totally agree and to be fair like a dog, we've said and gone over on previous episodes. I don't think any of them would have signed their contracts your story was still in charge. I don't think anybody got game time hundred percent a hundred percent right? First up. We've got our game. First of game review is our two new victory over Brazil. ER now obviously this isn't the first time I've spoken about this game this week because if you follow the Chelsea Echo you have heard My Views earlier on this week on their podcast. So we want to nil clean sheet. Yeah, please eat finally, which was so close because along so nearly I think it hit his head nearly went in but when off the bar so we're fine. We're fine. We're all good. We're all good. How do you feel that game? When in general before we go on to a few key points about it? I mean, yeah is a good performance very professional performance. I don't think The first off we pay to our best but we got through it. We had a good second half. We kept a clean sheet says nothing much else you can say about that. Yeah. I'm you know, the key people I've picked out. I've got Georgie no a strong performance. Yeah, great always a love-hate relationship. I've had to use penalties, you know, but we scored a penalty as well. Let's get that out there. Finally. The thing is it is this penalty is just going back to that penalty again when he jumps I'd probably said this now but when he jumps he always puts the keeper off like the keeper doesn't know which way is going and it almost sort of make some sticks of ground almost and then you'll put it either side. That's why you don't see many Keepers say this panel is yeah. It's that is very true. And he's obviously shown it for the national team as well. And he's done it for Italy. So it's a good technique when it goes bad it goes bad. But yeah, yeah it does he seems to have taken that mantel on from Hazard with unstoppable penalties, which is brilliant. Really Considering the Fiasco's we've had with penalties. He was my man of the match. You know, he was like watching a conductor a symphony. It was a masterpiece, you know top top performance yet another another top performance which obviously we've spoken about him already tomorrow. He looks like a seasonable pro the whole defense did but he stood out incredibly so yeah meaning just looks so comfortable and he reads the game. So where was almost John Terry asked how he reads the game and here he is. Look out of position. He is so strong in the air and he gets his tackles perfectly right all the time. He's not rich and very young. I mean I was you know 21 is he I think he's around that I can just have a Google even so he's got such a good temperament for a sense of back at that age and it'll only get better. You really really will only get better. Yeah, it turns 22 this year and he was born in Canada. So then yeah. Yeah fun fact for either. But yeah, I mean, obviously another Center back Use partnership for the day was Andreas Christensen solid. I'm glad he's injury wasn't serious as I am with all players no matter what club but obviously he can be a key part of our defense especially with rudiger out, you know on that note as well with injuries. It felt first game of the season where we actually didn't actually suffer any yeah. Yeah, you're right there. Yes was which was really nice. It was oh a clean sheet and their injuries, you know always Pleasant and it was good to see Colin put salad or back on the pitch as well very much. I mean His his substitution did change the game in our favor, you know, he grabbed an assist as well top formats and it again I'm just glad he signed that deal. Oh, yeah, me too. I mean, he looks so sharp and it did against Lille in the week when he came on as well need again such an important day for us going forward. I'm going back East. I don't understand along so, you know, he played a wet again because obviously Emerson's injury he was it was it was up and down as black wetter again put a top performance against Brighton. It was like watching for me back to his best. It was two Primes. As you know, that's be requester. And on that right side. No one was beating him one-on-one. No one. I know it was brighter than but the point being is just in that frame of mind in that form that he was Unstoppable against Brighton. I mean honest day he is up there for one of the best defenders in the league. So he can't said that way for him and he's also consistent and you know, yeah, he's had a bit of stick this season, but when he's on form is such a reliable play and you'll never make any mistakes. Yeah. I mean the thing is raspberry. Westar when he had that small awkward few games where you just did not look up to scratch. He looked almost like Ivanovic in the end of his are at Chelsea. Yes. He looked after placed in me. Yeah. I mean there was talk get him out get rich James in I understand the logic and we did talk about it and I did say give him time and it's shown he had that rest yet that break. Obviously the international bodies come back and he's performed and it's great to see that our captain, you know, our leader is doing that it we can we Like he used to you know, you don't want to see a player who's done so much for our club and put in so many minutes every season just sort of tailor way, you know, it's such a shame. He's been he's been brilliant Ross Barkley wasn't great. You know, I found this decision making quite poor really he couldn't he couldn't spot a path straight away. It's just so strange. It just it just wasn't a great performance from him. The thing is the Ross Barkley. Yes all the technical ability in the world. It's so good technically, but I've always had this about it has his footballing brain just isn't quite there. I mean you compare his footballing brand to say a Fabregas or a Georgie no can pick a pass without even sort of looking who's passing to if that makes sense. It's all get all day long, but it's Berkeley. You can either do it on the ball for too long and loose possession or try for Hollywood pass and just not get anywhere near and it just as those lapses of concentration which just really really frustrating because you know, he's a good They just I think to quite got to that level yet. This career hundred percent. No one's ever questioned his abilities always had that there but the point being he just has this poor games and whether the penalties got to him as well from the Champions League game against Valencia. I don't know but it's just it I see him on the team Sheet. I understand what he brings to the team. I would prefer other players get an opportunity in that role, but mainly Mount he's not We will talk about his positioning in the Champions League game against little later. However makes them out is a central player and he needs to play that Center role. And if Ross Park is there he doesn't get it. No, however Mason Mount going on to him slow performance as ever he penalty by being smart and capitalizing on the defensive error by Webster what else you can say? He was just makes them out all over another solid performance from this season of the Premier League. Again, that's the difference between malware Berkeley. If our fingers in my last position. Then he wouldn't have press the ball and wonder when the pain away Mount just seems to be one step ahead of the game and that's always so clever and that's all you got, you know gets in those pockets of space is for girls who scores that's all he wins penalty is that's why sets of goals because that one step ahead of the pack of his opposition and again such a young lad while that is really really promising to see and again, it'll only get better and it's just totally totally a great another player at a Is that great week for us Willie on another goal? It settled the game. Obviously the assist from Hudson a door. Yeah, you know what like about Willian is that some people will actually be annoyed that he scored two goals from we will be annoyed that he started for one and got two girls and two games. It's just Chuck some Chelsea fans are really really strange. They just have this Vendetta against Willie and but it's really good to see he's been a good servant. You know, I'm happy for him. He's paid really? Well. I don't think that I have to worry for too long. So I don't think he's going to be at our club at the end of the season. Well when the season ends I think that'll be the the curtain falling on his Chelsea Career. I do not see him getting a new deal and even if he did I don't feel sign it. No, I agree Tammy Abraham. He did a lot right? He wasn't looking up to have scored one note. I will make it's so nice to have a striker who is enough side every five minutes. Yes. That's always good. So a surplus we had it with marotta famously Higuain last season, obviously if we go quite far back like Remy, it was just nice. He obviously didn't get on the scoresheet list. I'm not really a big deal. We had a did he did he did he had a decent game we forgot sorry with the diagram. It's just good to see asteroid kid that wants to play for Chelsea and wants to work as hard as possible for Chelsea. Where's Miranda Greene? Just like I was going through the motions. I don't know. I didn't want to be there but and you know, he wants to be He then, you know wants to score goals and help the times but possible 100% awkwardly he going seems to be doing quite decent at your dentist. And I just thought where was this version of higway in when he was on loan at our club. He's just totally different he's gone from he looked like he could not be bothered at our club no and then events this that so I'm gonna prove I'm the best again and I thought well that's a it's attitudes and you know, we've got that's the key part. We've got such good. To shoot our Squad now, unfortunately, you know obviously positives we've gone through good subjugating from Frank Lampard and a clean sheet being a huge one. The one thing I will bring up that was extremely frustrating 24 Shots 10 On Target only two goals and a penalty was what got us over the line to sort of get us into gear to go on and I know it's Brighton, but that's the point. It's these games you sort of grind out with one. Was it an off day? We should be worried that we're not converting those chances and then to be fair. I mean start a season. I was worried that we weren't wasn't going to score at all. Really. I was really wondering where the gods were going to come from but if actually surprised us this year because we've scored a lot of goals to be honest. It's been your friend Rose had problems. So I think yeah I missed a few chances, but I think it was just enough day. I mean Abraham on another day would have got a hat trick, but it's just one of those days when we got the results. I mean, that's the main thing really. Yeah, that's sort of how I feel. It's about it myself a clean sheet. The clean sheet for me is the huge positive we have to take out this game because we just didn't do it. We haven't got clean sheets consistently even a tall one. I mean, it's not great. It's getting better talking of clean sheets. We didn't get one again our next game. So with that we move on to our Champions League Victory against Lille in France. Now this game, I did play ratings for for Chelsea Echo and you can check those out on their website links or on our Twitter account. Man of the match with he's had such a brilliant week wasn't really an it was tamari. I'm here. Wow. I mean it did make a mistake with the back pass. However, I'm going to just ignore that because he was incredible ridiculously beryllium. I mean you want of thought that was his Champions League debut. Would you not at all? Did you think it's right here? No, I don't think he does know. Well, that's his Champions League debut. And well again, he just didn't look at our place. It was so strong read the ball brilliantly to be honest and Bear Zuma was really good as well. I know he could have probably done better their goal. But I think they're both really really solid at the back. Oh tell her like he did play for the against Valencia. He was saying the back three with Christensen wailmer even so is second game of the Champions League. He didn't look out of place. So not at all. He was a performance and he deserves him and call up and I hope he gets I think I hope you get to start if he comes on sub even it's brilliant. It's experience and it is well deserved would have to say on that. You know looking ahead to those games be interesting to see hmm. One thing clean sheets. So no marking. Hello darkness my old friend. I've said this on Twitter this week, you know, some people have nightmares about ghosts monsters for me. It's a set-piece against Chelsea and I'm with zonal marking. It's just, you know, I always could feel apprehensive that we're going to concede. I just wish we could get rid of zonal marking. I really do that's three things in life. He guaranteed death Granite Jack again the other card and let's concede in from a corner. It's just over and over. It's just frustrating that it's Groundhog Day on so many levels every game that we just just let's just get rid of that on Market. You know, I think this is a thing. I mean, it could say that Zoomer just jumped too early a mr. Header. You could say that but when you're zonal marking, you've gotta take responsibility for that area that you're sort of marking that zone your Marking and they don't no one knows what they're doing it it seems and it just seems as if no one's organized and straight away from the corner when that ball goes out. You need to organize straight away again position. Then you sort of marker area. That's yours. No one gets in you win the odor you clear the corner, but what's happening is they're not organized and soon enough and it just seems if they're too deep in the box and the players are getting run on them and I don't care who you are when you've got a run on a Defender. It's just impossible to The Defenders to keep that ball out. Are you also going to get going anyone who's got the running start with a jump is always going to beat the man. Who's Stood Still? It's just logic. Yeah, it's frustrating. We'll see how it goes through. I mean we talked about which almost every time we can see the goal. It seems that it is zonal marking to blame. Hmm, and we consistently talked about it and we may be talking about it in six months time. I hope not to say marks the launch though. He looks okay some poor crosses though. I mean, yeah, It was another out it was an average performance. I mean some people have praised him for his performance. I did watch the game in Forks obviously doing player ratings. I felt he just did okay, you know, yeah, I'd give him like a six out of ten you got up and down but yeah, just what noise have Alonso is when he's running back in looks like he's just joking. He doesn't like his putting the effort in. Yeah another player who had a weirdo. This was a very uncharacteristic performance and garlic ante had a weird first half. Second half and are sort of them blaming it on getting back into full fitness because obviously he's been on and off with injuries. It's straight. I think I think the Midfield is that a strange first off. I think Georgina didn't get on the ball as much and can taken quite sort of gonna ball as much and drive to Midfield. It was just an awkward first off and I just once they start to get the ball more the game opened up. We control the game a bit more was just first 40 minutes we couldn't seem to get them in the game. Yeah, it was just an overall to strange really. I mean Mesa Mount poor game from him as well. He did start on the wing which I mentioned earlier and that is not his best position. You know, I gave him a 6 out of 10 and that's it sounds harsh and but the point was many fans on Twitter was saying he got some stuff on 87 many would argue. It should have been way earlier. It is positioning. He just was played on that left side once he moved through. Rolled in the second half we perform better and your shows playing in that position. You know, I agree. Oh and another one who was poor but now hear me out is really an okay. He grabs the winner. Yeah. So naturally, he's he goes from his six rating to like much higher. I gave him a 7 and it was his three inch of appearance for Chelsea, which is incredible Milestone really, you know realize how long he's been at our club. But that first half I was watching it just performed some fancy flicks back heels and they often found allele player more on a teammate. See I actually thought he paid. All right, I thought well, yeah, they said those flicks and that but I'm just that's what I expect from Willie and Spanish but once he got the ball and run up lazy look really dangerous and just didn't really have much of an end product in that first off. Yeah, I can see the total argument. I mean the winning gold redeemed him to me, you know, that's he's an experienced head and he Well, he does get you out but it was the fancy Flex. I think they just lived a little they've got me wound up and I thought stop you're killing plays and he was also with I think we were counter attack him at one point and he killed our counter-attack and then obviously Leo went up the other end got their set piece and scored. So that's kind of what came into my thinking Tammy Abraham birthday boy with the goal great finish and it's great again to say we have a clinical striker. Yeah, I mean that I think was better than this finishes the actual first touch. They had just set it for him. I mean at first it was Sensational because tomorrow read really did fix that balding and it's such a composed for any from him. And yeah, like you said, I don't think we're asking would have scored that and I've done every Queen would have scored that to only so it is really good to see a clinical Striker. I can't imagine I think they'd both been offside. Well, yeah, that's definitely that's how it works. So, you know, he's got the trace it was a 22nd birthday and he scored in minute 22. Yes, that's pretty pretty cool. Pretty cool. But it was just to eat its holder play wasn't the best in that game. But the point being you know, he's just rewarding Lampard by showing been shown face and and again Tammy Abraham and a goal and it's just great to see. No, I totally agree and it has been some galleries hold of pay as being the best but it will only get better at that. I mean there's some touches in that first half and second half where I thought well, this is not watching Didier Drogba furnace over times. We lost it. All quite easily, which is somebody after work on but the signs are there. I mean, who knows where the gold is? He definitely knows where the gold is and that's good to see I think it like I said, it only get better and Lampard to sort of teach him the ways of how to get more and more clinical and from the goal, which is already showing hopefully so another player that got a debut and his Champions League debut as well Reese James ya got got booked early on for a poor challenge, but you look confident that right side and are good for you cross into the box. An outstanding debut, but hardly a poor one and that's what you want to see really, I mean, I think there's a ton at times. He looked a bit Rusty but I mean he's balls into the box are actually quite impressive. I think some of them were superb really but yeah good performance from him not now this world but not poor by any means he has a good confidence booster for him to get some minutes under his belt exactly Kappa now he can't be blamed for the goal. So that's, you know, straight up, you know, that's just so no marking, but he did have Of me, he's made some good crucial saves. But Danny had my heart in my power 4 times with his creepy keeper decisions. They were 99% the right call. Yeah, but they still made me go. Oh, oh my God. What's he doing? What's he doing? Oh, it's okay. Well, what's he done there? But it works out. Well it did but unfortunately that's just modern-day goalkeepers for you. See Edison Dewey seen are you doing it? And yeah, sometimes it will come off. Sometimes it don't and when it done you're going to look like a fool really so it's wrist work. Yeah, it just worried. Max I thought we could be we could go down here what we're doing what we're doing but it works out. All right, and he had a good game. Yeah, definitely which is it's great to see obviously it's you know, obviously a former Chelsea goalkeeper who you know, I'm not giving him a hard time at the moment because obviously what's come out in the news about apparently this admit. I don't know if it is anxiety or gastroenteritis, of course why it's seems to be conflicting reports now, but you know, hey we went we were English side we went and won again in the Champions League we had to win which was crucial to us in that group stage, especially after I acts 1, I mean that girl from zajac that isn't it. Come here. Wow. Wow. Wow, that that is an incredible shot. Just yeah, it is saying it you need to watch it. If you haven't I really encourage you to go and find that goal. It is one of the best goals of the month. Maybe maybe that could be a champ. Goal of the season it's not good. It's not good. Yeah, I agree with that. I think it could be so yeah, we were in English side. We went and scored two goals and we didn't and conceived 7, so that's what I'm going to say to flex your feet. It's too soon tough tough week for some some London clubs soon. See what I did there. Yeah. I see what you're doing there. See what you're doing there. So with wrapping up our Champions League Game review and if you've got any final thoughts on that game or I agree. Yeah, I mean, you know is it is a must-win and is a very professional win most other brought in game. I think those areas to improve on a don't think father back work for us midweek. But when you search the for the back it worked it was a good win for us time scoring and over tomorrow master class at the back. So yeah good performance exactly. What people are forgetting is there's a lot there was a lot of pressure on us we're away. And the thing is we have to win that game. Insane but we had to win that game. Leila most likely going to be the bottom team of the group and if we're to draw on that game it just we need to be winning and the pressure was on and we stepped up and we got the job done and it's a simple as that really exactly exactly. So next up. We're away again. We're at st. Mary's and game week 8 hmm to play Southampton. Yes, how do you feel a team lineup is going to be for this one any changes from the Champions League game? I'm expecting research. James obviously to fall to the bench. Yeah, I agree. I think it will probably play for at the back this week and start something. I think it'd be Alonso tamori and Christensen with us would have prayer right back. I think can tell start with Georgina. Yo think Mount will play I think Willie no play. I think Hudson of Doyle play. I really want to see her to the door start this weekend ahead of the hydro William. Yeah, I agree. I totally agree and I think it'd be a drummer from yeah. It's got to be Abraham. He's in for he's a he's a number nine. It would be nice to see Pew research get a shot. Obviously. I've spoken about him on previous parts of wrote an article on him. I just want to see him get that chance. I'm sure he will and I have a hundred Faith but he can always change a game whose pace and he may do so this weekend, you know, when their legs are starting to Tire in the second half. He may be brought on and he may change the game and it might give him that platform to go on. On Leaps and Bounds for not just the Premier League season, but our Cup competitions which will be great for him. And obviously another key player to our Squad really know I couldn't agree more and to be fair I think about this early on actually, I mean people forget that may be a bad comparison, but for being your last year when he moved to Liverpool big money saw Indian club team playing for a large amount of time that is true a long while before he got into that first team and now down this place now looking he's probably look one of Liverpool's most important players, really You know pewter Siege is only young is that a long season last season, you've got to give her a bit of time and he has bad this season some games. He has performed poorly. Yes, you should maybe get more chances than he has in the past couple of games, but I'm sure Lampard is talking to him all the time sending them where you need to improve. I'm sure he would improve I'm sure we get more organic farm and season goes on exactly going head-to-head with Southampton. They've only won two of the last 20 Premier League meetings with us during six and loosen. L've that winless in the last seven gives us hope Southampton always a tricky side, even though they have obviously gone down degraded over time of the past few seasons after selling players. We've won nine of the last 12 is it's the same areas during to and losing warm. We've won the last four. I'm quite confident. Yes, Keith yackey matchups it all I don't I don't know where the key matchups are going to be in regards to their team. Because I mean it's a difficult one for me to say really on this. I've always been a big fan of James ward-prowse and the think it is the sound weird but is Corners could really be dangerous for our started sets are always and with Hoiberg as well. He's very dangerous set-piece taker so that could be our main problem against Southampton. I've got big centre-backs who can hurt us from set pieces. I mean they got vestergaard is about six foot ten. Yeah exactly. That's the guard so no marking set pieces. That's the worry. So this game I sell. Yeah, I mean, I think we can definitely definitely get resolved in. I mean we should win by all means but 100% I'd feel that we have to win this game because it's a game that we're expected to win and it sounds so stupid. But that is we are Chelsea Football Club. We are fighting for European places where not mid-table know exactly what it's about and I can inform we should be able to beat so Phantom pretty easily. Yeah. We lost to Liverpool obviously in our last five games. On a winning streak of 3 matches now because obviously beating Grimsby Brighton and Lille we should be we should win this game quite well, you know, Southampton haven't been great this season I'd say not really, I mean, they are 14 from the table of two victories one two, and four defeats. Hmm Dave, I mean picked picked up in forming the last three games winning to enjoy and one but still Point remains. I think we're there will be danger as I do like to press so we need To move the ball very quickly get it to each or jinyo picky spaces and just hopefully beat the press and then I think we'll get a lot of space in behind vestergaard is very very very poor defensively or another don't write him at all. So if you can get in behind him, I think we all get a lot of space. We will get a few goals. Well their victories have come against their point. So speak. Sorry have come against Brighton who were down to 10 men for quite a lot of that game. Yeah, they drew against man united Man United. Yeah, we lost for until we know but yeah, they're yeah, they're they're awful and there are other victory was against Sheffield United who again, we're down to ten men. So if we keep ten players on the pitch, we should be should be. All right really this one. Yeah. Yeah. I mean I do worry because you know, I just always wearing shows the Gams but I think we should win if she'll be yeah, how do you see Southampton fair in the season he feels stood out. I mean for me I feel this they can get Che Adam scoring. They may have that they've got he was brought in to sort of share that burden with Danny ings and he just hasn't hasn't worked out yet for him. No, I mean I need him to school ready because I do feel they are liking goals. I know Danny ings is a good player and he does get goals for one, but it's a lot of pressure because that don't have many goals anywhere else really so they need to get him scoring. I think they will struggle. I do like their manager. Do you like? Yeah have some who still yeah Ralph has some Hotel. Yeah, so I think they'll be down the bottom. In the range of 15 to 17. I can't see them getting into mid-table this season. I feel that obviously a bit like many teams in the league as well as ourselves. They're going through that transition where they're learning that new trade new game style under a new manager. They will come good again. I am 100% certain. They've got an incredible Academy. They've shown that yeah very so with Hassan who taught I feel that they're going to do well maybe not this season, but you know, you'd expect them to finish like You said around that 14th Mark. That's a fair sort of shout. So yeah, and then obviously we're going to the international break. So that's pretty much it for our game preview of Southampton. We're going to our games to watch, you know, extra time segment now after my totally of business from last weekend, we're gathered a Sarai and been about Che and the Madrid Derby ended nil-nil. They were poor games just to you know, just to show the All Blacks a from Benjamin's head. Was one of the slaves of the season I decided that today. It's a return. It's an incredible save I will accept I'll fire it over after we finish recording is brilliant and it didn't redeem the game a little it really gets two percent but it was ridiculous. But you know and I kind of proved it again that I could not pick games at all this week. I watched what was the game. I think it was whoever PSG played they played galat Sr. Ah, yes, they did. That was one nil. It was awfully boring for me. I didn't enjoy that game. So this weekend there's only one place I can do and that is to Italy to the Syria and the biggest game of the season into vs. Juventus content versus sorry Le Coq Au versus Ronaldo huge tie, how do you see this one going? Oh, that is I think will be a draw. I hope it's not nil. Nil because I don't know again. I'll reckon it'll be won one I just want I just want to see a really good game with good girls. As long as it's not a no. No, I'm sure you'll be happy. How can taste been choked developing is inter side. I saw when they played was it if I play this week was it Barcelona? Yes. It was. Yes. They were there's a bit of Play Where It produced a great say from to stegen. I saw that actually yeah. Yeah rumbling. Wow. Yeah, that is incredible play Let's Not underestimate this against Barcelona of you know what I think A lot of fans a lot of our fans and you're really really gay Conte hard time for no reason. I thought he's a brilliant manager tactically very very good. And you know, it didn't played bad football went under him and I was very defensive but when you got playing and got space we weren't actually that badly paid really good football at times. Yeah. I just as long as it's not near now, I've had a little bit of a bad streak with these games. I mean Thursday Night Football in the NFL every time I do the predictions each game week on the Gridiron. Website and every time that's why I picked the of the team as well as of as weren't and I was after four weeks in of the fourth week. Obviously, it happened. I was just getting so sick of it. This is obviously in the NFL if any lawlessness follow it game week five. I my team played last night Seattle Seahawks, they played the LA Rams and obviously part of me was like go for the Rams because you know silk so weird. I thought no I'm not going against my own team I pick Seattle we did. We did it we broke the street and we broke my streak of predictions and we got a crucial win that game and I was very happy this morning to wake up to a 30 29 Victory. I'm hoping that my streak of poor games to watch ends this weekend with into you then just being an incredible firework cracker of a match, you know, we'll have to see if you just want to go just one goalie just be lovely, you know, obviously that pig's ass into yet. Another International break. Are you as excited as I am for this one? Yeah. No. I'm sure you are it gives us time obviously here to sort of sit back and look at a topic for next week. Yeah, next week will be likely catching up with Carlo contents area. Seeing how their sides have done in Syria and how they perform in then the week after that. It's likely going to be another cult hero will keep that topic a secret for now. We've got we know who it's going to be awesome some research for Chris and I to do going into that. Questions. We have a question. I know you've got a question. I did a quick dinner. I did a little research before the Pod started on this. I've got mine set up go on ask the question right then. So what is your favorite football boots have all the time? Oh now just pulling up the little Google search other mine are from 2004. Whoa. Whoa what year that was? Your I think we all know what happened in that Premier League season. It's okay. It's okay. Yeah, I'm just that's double check. I was incorrect and said that the unbeatables was the season before it wasn't that was where our sell when all be so yeah, it would have been good. Yeah, obviously we finish second great season great great season for us. But anyway football boots lost track of time their football this 2004. Yike, yes. Zoom total 93 football boots the lovely burgundy Edition. Oh, that is such a I hope you know what I'm on about I think I know what ones you on about. Yeah. They were just little messy wore them Rooney Iniesta and Torres they were just so so nice. They were released for Euro 2004 and I just I just I so nice obviously. I'm a big fan of the color red. They were a dark wine red. They were just lovely they yeah, they're really Really nice very nice. Very why not? What about for yourself? See? I'm a bit torn here. But I used my first pair of football boots that I bought for me were the white and gold till 90 boots, which I love but my favorite the number favorite boots. I must admit my favorite bits Reaver the are nines that Rinaldi war in the 1998 World Cup because I love them. I just in their iconic. I just love them or Chick is the first-ever assist is added as released. They were like black if I could blue Spider-Man so web on the back of them. Oh, okay. No, I just I love them love that pair of boots. I never actually got to where I never actually got to play. No. I just love looking at home and you want to get my dad just so some things from the past. So expensive now. Yeah, I mean, they're ridiculous. The Predators are not process accelerate is that sedan more they're going for a lot of money now I can imagine. Jenai means the Dan isn't it? You know? Yes Algeria as well. My boss is actually got a gold pair of them and he showed me neither, but I tell you what. Oh god, I was dreaming about them that night. Well, that might be a great time to call this episode to a close. I feel sorry that gotta be weird. You know, I'm losing my mind looking at two thousand three. Oh Four Seasons go all we had Crespo good times and you're getting a bit exciting football boots. So there's Nice, it's good. It's good. Good healthy habit so will be obviously back next week. We'll be talking about Syria. I'm Carlo contest. Sorry will obviously be saying that in turn your dentist will end in a nice for for jewelry three red cards and a dog got on the pitch natural. Well imagine. Yeah or a cat a cat would be great. That's that's you know to see cats on the pitch. Now I tell you what drones are quite into fashion very so maybe maybe W drone incident a dog or a cat. I'll take either. Be great. It would be great. So yeah, we'll see you next week. Say I have a great great weekend, and we'll see you on the international break. He later. We will return next week where we will talk all things shall see so until then you can find us on Twitter and Instagram at at the bridge pod. Thanks for listening everyone until next time.

In this episode Mikey and Chris talk Frank Lampard’s Manager of the Month nomination, England Squad Call Ups, review the game against Brighton, our second Champions League group game against Lille and then look toward the weekend for our fixture against Southampton. RUNNING ORDER:    (00:56) Frank Lampard nominated for September Manager of the Month (03:51) England Squad Call Ups for Tammy, Tomori, Mount and Barkley (09:23) Game Review: Chelsea 2-0 Brighton (19:43) Game Review: Lille 1-2 Chelsea (30:38) Game Preview: Southampton – Chelsea EXTRA TIME: (37:00) Games To Watch This Weekend (40:45) What is our Favourite Pair of Football Boots? _______________________________________________ Get In Touch With Us: Twitter - @AtTheBridgePod   Instagram - @AtTheBridgePod Facebook - AtTheBridgePod   Email – AtTheBridgePod@yahoo.com Support Us On Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/AtTheBridgePod The Free Kick Pod Interview - Not All Chelsea Fans are Bad (feat.

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It's episode 9 of the challenge War of the Worlds American Psycho were jumping into everything tonight. Very excited to talk about this episode. My name is Jenna Becerra be your lead host to my left. We got Dan language. Hi guys are man. We got Pamela groans Jill over there. She got some really good. Uh, no your twins tonight Anna. T as they say bring brought to the table by her. Yes Pam and we got our fitness Guru. Yeah Christopher over there some guys have a good job. So American Psycho. I don't know why it's called that doing it. I'm fine. Maybe I don't know I cycle after the the chal first challenge today is Polish American Psycho because he told everybody who's gonna pluck them off and kill them individually one-on-one at the end. Of that position is Wes the American Psycho because he's trying to Mastermind and Puppeteer everyone or is Hunter the American Psycho because he tried to commandeer the tribunal. I don't know because they were spinning around on that wheel. That was Psycho. Yeah. Well, I don't know this is probably more obvious. So abstract actually have which Rich American competitor tonight was the most psycho Hunter Wes Paulie they all all right, so we're gonna get it. Everything tonight. Let me give you the rundown talking the truck challenge, which is pretty awesome the tribunal and Hunters Game his involvement who is voting for what kind of game he's playing? Yeah scared or is he just trying to save people we got this puke elimination with pork am working it and trying to fight through this sickness and throwing up all over herself and we got some really good news and gossip. So stay tuned for that. We got some good Insight or good information rather about bears girlfriend about the bear Georgia and the cheating triangle incidents. So stay tuned. I also want to try to get over go over some predictions towards and now that we know that it's splitting from teams and it's going to be a single one on one type of game really excited about that. So overall thoughts on tonight's episode before we dive into everything. Um, well, that's the first time I've ever heard Cara makes sexual noises before so that was that was interesting. Yeah. That's the last time I want to hear it moving on to you Pam. That's all I got for that. Work together they put some blanket to him some blankets around a bed and they went to it you do she did do it on that. I think who's really obsessed with who I think Kyle's clearly the one that's obsessed with Cara but moving on from them. I thought the get it moved really fast episode overall was good. I like it. I'd it's getting now really heated. We know obviously they're going individual next week. But yeah, this was like foreign for out it's close to the end and it's exciting and more intense to see who's Being picked and if you guys know what Hunter was doing with the two two two year ahead of me because I was like what we'll break it down. Anybody got a didn't follow. So that's my overall. My takeaway was Kyle's hair when you have that bad nice like locks like an 80s rockers. That's what I said. What was going on? There was Kyle gets the humor of this game. He is my new favorite competitor out there for this season. He's great with all the words that he Saying he's doing it in a fun and energetic way. Love it. I'll keep it up next a great egg white from him being the worst person to now the total comic relief in the best and bear has moved into the worst spot still funny. But because he always has such a positive attitude about everything like how is everything always such a joke to him in the best way possible. Right? And it's like you don't take anything serious. I mean when it comes down to he's like Paulie just go in you're gonna win. Anyway, it's like how do you see he's able to just say this all the time. Yeah. That's a good positive. Of way that everybody kind of laughs it and it's doesn't it's awesome that I mean, that's what's like really cool about it because it's like yeah, he's always kind of like as sometimes he can be kind of a douche, you know, but it's like you still like them. Yeah, if you so funny, you know, you just like he's that guy like like you kind of want to punch him at the same time you like them. You know, that's there to have a good job. It seems like he's not sweating it but he's a good competitor than here was distracting. That's all I can focus on during that moment. I think it was about Hunter strategy & Wesson. Anywhere involves all I can look at was that red headband and then Russia slime sauce in a bouffant 60s and flipped under over bouffant. Like he was gonna do a 60s dance like the Monster Mash auditioning for Hairspray the musical. That's sorry Kyle. We love your hair, but I thought that was it was really good was lower on the drama scale. It was just a lot of strategy and politics and a lot of people figuring out how their alliances are going to pan out the rest of the game, which I really liked. It was a lot of game Heavy challenge elimination heavy and strategy heavy not a lot of just like senseless drunk drama, which I love to but it was nice to have this which episode so let's get into the challenge of the day. Do I let you guys know we had a touch of a glitch of a technical give difficulties. So when we jump to the chin to the challenge of the day all we see we start off by seeing nany and turbo competing. So we miss a few of the competitors before them and they jump Even to the Dragon Ball Z edit that we love so much and Pam seriously thought that there was some how some way fire actually being shot from turbos a now this is we have a subscription ballsy and I didn't really think that there was like lightning bolts being shot out of Turbo. I think this challenge had some Pyro Tech effects like once you finish the truck thing it was going explosion the way you said it all was that oh my God turbo kit and then we jump into West Cindy who only get seven rings inspired by Ariana Grande and West Storms off yells into bear's face. As bare as obviously trolling him there trolden first. Oh, yeah bear trolls him and then West comes over yells in his face and says if this wasn't TV, I'd kick your ass, which I kind of agree with you know, I would think so. I really sickly. I mean, I don't see bear taking West in real life like you'd want to or you think well, I wouldn't think like you really came down to West would kick his butt. Yeah. Absolutely. Actually. I'm not alone. I'm just saying I think Wes would kick his butt. I don't know. I think it's equal playing field. My takeaway from that was I don't think West would actually even fight him in real life. I don't cuz you go to jail or something like questions about his own business West has time. Said right now. Yeah. Yeah, and this is where we continue to get probably the most drama of episode. So Dave ons kind of off to the side saying bear can say whatever he so pleases to West because he was telling Jenna to kick me in the face or me in the rib last week so he can say whatever and then Dave on and West continue to argue with each other and then West finally says, you know, you're really setting a great example for your child. You call yourself a role model and this just ask like through the roof, but they Bonk kind of brings her temper and in walks away and is able to relax. Yeah for what we saw and we'll get to it later with some news and gossip. / oh, no, you wouldn't she did there was more to it. But from what we saw that it wasn't escalated too high. She kept her cool. She said like that's the one button you don't push but I'm going to let it go. So mostly I think is wrong here. Do you think that Wes is wrong for saying you're a great your sarcastically say aren't you a role model to your kid? You're doing a great job. Kind of mocking Davon because Dave on speaking sensitively because it's her kid, but I think it's a big deal. That's a to West. Well, I'm gonna have I'm gonna kick you in the ribs for real outside of the show or something. Yeah, but here's here's the thing though. Like that was so deliberate like Wes like it's almost hard to like take that as serious as if I think Wes was just saying it ignorantly, you know, like in meant it evident. He like purposely new like that's the way to cut you that's something that's like if someone's got a button and you can see music. Oh, there it is. I'm going to press it's like he knew what he was doing. It was a purposeful comment. I don't think it was, you know, malicious like, oh, I'm really just trying to hurt you. He just want to get on your skin and piss her off and that's the way to do it easy. So I think that's what that was. Obviously it pissed her off, but she knew what he was doing to so, I think that's why she handled it brought herself back down, but I don't think it was something that was really trying to like hurt her. It was just trying to piss her off at the time, you know. Yeah. I really don't think it was that bad. I don't need well the kids so I can't speak to that but Right same thing threatening about her child. That's right thing is how are you a robot? The kid was very light was is Wes wrong with what he said right Davon. If once we go into the know you Tweeting later or whatever whatever we calling it battle this week. I don't know the name. We're gonna see some more the things that Dave on said right and Wes isn't wrong. I'll wrestle all West says is you're not being a very good role model for your kid now. Yes, he does bring her kid up in the conversation, but I didn't say that she you know her kids going to turn out to be a so-and-so or a bad person. Because of you he say that he said you're not sitting good role model for your kid. He also didn't even say this is where Wes is thoughtful it with his insults ended the words he chooses to use he didn't even say wow. You're a horrible role my like he didn't even say you are or you're a bad mom. He just said wow, that's really setting a great example, which is right a little dig, but it's not like he's coming after her child. Okay, he's not enough. Let's move. Let me throw this out there. I think a lot of people are going to jump on the other side of what we said. But let's remember what banana said to Devon last year and how many people stood up for bananas saying stuff about Devon's father who passed away which which is also there's a tricky subject there too. Right I want and I wasn't the bananas defender in that. He wasn't saying you're dead sucker. He was saying if your dad could see right, which is again, he wasn't coming after as was perceived the father and attacking his past father. So he was saying if he could see the way you're acting right now. I bet he would be unhappy with you which again the bad button to push it not cool raw get it but is it inappropriate or off of when you're being harassed and in the live chat? Everyone's going right against us with this guy's I could read them all but every not one person is free with us. So there you go those later but you should keep it moving competitors in the competition of the challenge today. So West Indies I only get seven rings which is kind of disappointing, but Cara and thing They just rip right through and they rocket because Theo is like yeah arm. They have to try lightly swings swings gently grabs like that. He's on UFC if you watched or the March Madness Tournament when Taco Falls like seven nine and all he has to do is literally just touch the rim and just pop the basket into the basketball net. That was kind of just Co tonight he but yeah even has to get off of the truck doesn't have to really jump far just kind of can pass it to car and it just so easy. For them, you can't just say the how badass is challenges. Like I would love to do that like yes, so freaking cool that was like 50 miles per hour that's intense and you got the wind blowing on you 50 miles per hour. You're going to jump across feeling good. It's gonna be a lot of fun to do that one. Yeah, the long term looks like they handled that pretty well though. Yeah, but he was really scared to jump off. Yeah not hard of a time going 50 miles per hour on like a rope swing type situation. I think you'd just be a lot of fun. I don't think it's really nice. It's not one of those ones. We were so high up that it's like scary looking down. I mean, you're on my back of a semi having fun. Around and around I'd like to believe that your harnessed in there pretty good, you know and yeah. Oh, yeah, you're right on there. You're not breathing, right? They got a negative press to get you pretty good Davon and bear did good as well, but they did drop one. So they only finished with 15 and then we seek a man - go last and they killed it. It looked like they whipped right by of course editing but they did finish all 16 in a very fast manner it looked like but we finished with kailah Maddie Hunter and Georgia and then it's like Cliffhanger who got the job and then it ends up being Cara and Theo I thought it might be Okay, man - that situation who knows to Hunter and Georgia because they're little both of them are little and height. Obviously Kyle and Maddie Theo which we saw a hundred Georgia must have just been on point. So yeah on that my got a conspiracy theory that I had and I haven't done one in a little while guys. So I figured I'd throw it at you. I feel like the reason they're not giving us who got first second and third for the TimeWise. Maybe that's going to come back in the final and those timings are going to give them certain advantages in the final. What do you guys think about that? As why they're not telling us who got first second third as far as team goes I like it may be individual scores. Now with the finals get you a little extra lead on a run or something. I like it may because I like where you're going with this because also no one you would think that the challengers themselves would want to know and it seems to be a non-issue. So I feel like it might come into play because no one's been like we want to know we want to know and I feel like I would want to know if I was a child, that would be great. But then So it's going to be an individual game now. Well, you could take this. Well, you would just take so say Kyle and Kyle and Maddie finish tonight, but they also one other tribunals to so like it could do you reap the benefits of their shared time? I'm just gonna why aren't they telling us who got first second? Third? I don't know, who knows who knows what they're gonna do with it, but it's another loose end that they haven't tightened up. Okay cow, a lot of times they say they throw a show to a challenge they say the teams are picked randomly. Order is random. Meanwhile, we found out on Twitter that other teams who won the previous challenge. We're picking certain orders of the challenges. This is like a season or two ago, but it could just be another one of those things or might not guy would hope that there is a method to The Madness of not giving that because it is unusual. And usually they do what I'm I don't know if they will or not, but I like that theory a lot. Why does he say in no particular order guys? Here's your he could have just said, oh you guys you guys you guys want mmm TJ's like in no particular order guys. This is who won? Why do you have to say it does kind of bring some question, you know, I wonder if that's going to be relevant later. Yep. So we are going to move on to tribunal and the voting but before we get into our next topic Dan would like to Enlighten. Yeah all of our viewers. Hey guys, look, I want to tell you some stuff here right now. If you're on YouTube right now, you should hit that subscribe button to ours or any of our other wonderful after shows that we have here and you know what? To comment in the comment section or give us a five star rating on iTunes. Look AfterBuzz means a lot to all of us. We love talking about these shows but we really would love you to be a part of it with us guys. So leave those comments be nice thumbs up from all of us here at after Stevie ranked an 1 through 10 of the live chat right now how good and plus negative 1. Come on guys. So now we see the teams in the tribunal are going to figure out who they're voting. And this is where the tribunal gets interesting. You guys. Love guys is kind of like the the issue I have with the last week but this week and ends up being good because there's only four teams that you can pick. So the the selections are very small. However at the same time it makes the tribunal wide open because now teams really have to come to a decision and burn votes are just not really going to work this time. I like a votes for like a Josh and Amanda. Or a bear and Dave are not going to work this time, right because part of honoring the tribunal we have three teams of the tribunal. So four teams are safe and four teams can go into elimination Paulie a ninja not even turbo Wesson D Ash and cam. So in the tribunal Hunter and Georgia are going to go nany and turbo to return the burned vote, but hunter is still putting his girl in the game at a risk, right and a possibility of going to elimination. Kyle obviously is going to go Paulie a ninja car. When Theo are going to go west and E and no one touches a sham, right, which is ironic as will come to find out the only team that appeared safe. Yeah, I like the voting like this because he it does put hunter in a predicament. He has he has to either choose his girl his number one Wes or create a new enemy with Polly and that's why Wes was saying hey Hunter you're playing a scary game by not just putting poly in right? That's where West was going with that. But at the same time I was thinking Hunter doesn't know what happens if it goes to to to he might Up for elimination. So in a way if I was maybe Hunters not thinking clearly but he might not be be playing a scared game because he might have to go in if we keep trying to 200 if he can't fix a time. He might have to go on that chopping block. So I don't know if he knows it but he's not fucking scared game because he might have to go in. We don't know TJ keeps saying guys, you're doing it again. You're doing it again and what happens if they don't switch right? I'm still pissed about I want I think if no one switch that second time through then TJ would have announced what that's going to be. I won't even get to that we have this the courtroom scene where basically feel leads the entire core. He's just Court. I liked it. I liked it too. He asks every single team the same question. Who do you not want to go in and who was your number one and he tries to get some Intel and get some information but that's pretty much always see. Do you guys have any big things from the tribunal you like? I just like that Theo was leading it and those are really good questions at this point to ask. Who's your number one? And who don't you want to When I think it's a simple as that, I enjoyed this tribunal without the drama to The Dramatics that we usually you guys forgetting about Theo's best question. Yes, when he asked Kyle are you working with what come on Dia? What a rookie move like like what Kyle's going to give you a straight answer there, but it's great. And I love Kyle. He's the best. No, maybe find out whose comic relief this season and it's fun to watch him gets questions do prompt west of then go to Polly though because Polly saying he doesn't really have a number one. So then West kind of goes to poly because now Wes feels nervous that Polly is going to vote him in because polish is kind of this Loose Cannon and you know, Paulie loves nothing more than taking out the biggest strongest vets writers himself to pad his resume SOS said it will if you go in and you beat new pad your resume if you lose that you lose and you shouldn't like hang your you shouldn't hang your head or be upset about it because I'm West and I'll be back so this A weird Battle Royale goes on between just Wes and Paulie while D and ninja the two partners are sitting right next to the guys just not having a saying anything which before it went to commercial. We were all kind of like, why is it just Polly versus West wiid a ninja who are two awesome competitors just kind of sitting off to the side and they don't really get to say anything. Yeah, and then you know, what's interesting though. Is that but then Polly took Natalie's advice when they did go in there and then she actually got to choose who she wanted. So that's it. Arresting that it went from the you know, Polly and West like being in control, but then Natalie got her way and I think that that was great. Right? Obviously, it was great because they 1/2 so it's a bonus. But yeah now going back though. This is what I don't understand about Hunter and the 2 2 2 and the barn vote. So this is after then Wes and Paulie this is when we get to elimination or the strategy, I guess what I'm questioning right now is Hunters Game Plan / West's game plan because he's puppeteering Hunter so This is what I think is kind of silly I think and tell me if I'm wrong. This is this is my interpretation and I need a little Clarity that West is saying Hunter is playing a scared game by causing it to be a tie when he really wants to vote in poly instead of just voting and Polly now the second consequence that I think I would assume West would have thought through is that if Paulie is voted in like he was Wes is a very obvious choice to go again, so how is that their plan I would assume if weren't for the D in India that Polly would have picked West possibly that's why Wes was trying to have that conversation with Paulie to because he knew that Hunter went for Polly that that might happen, but why would a hunter Vaya Wes want to set it up so that Pauly let's let's be honest restaurant in West wants Paulie in every time or yeah, that was a chance. You could lose I guess not. Great Point West can go up against him and still beat him. If it worse case scenario, you know, okay. All right. I mean if I went West I want to go against Paul like we were talking about in the in the green room. I mean anybody at this point, it's anybody's game it just there's only so many teams left people are gonna have to get exact vote against who they want to vote against this. Okay it just today I was feels better going against Polly instead of ash from Turbo maybe I mean those Polly men are beasts. Yeah, if it wasn't this sort of puzzle which which I don't think it would have been good to go against West in this I think going against a beast of a guy was the better choice for Polly. But if it was one of those super physical elimination either poly or west as great as they are Versa turbo or naturally would have been what do you think do you think maybe turbo would you think Ashley would have been a better competitor over Polly begins to us? Wait, so what was that? Do you think Ashley would have been a better competitor going up against West? Oh do you think I've done better know I don't I think West and Pauly are both shark and have similar strengths Quest probably would have directed from the wheel and you probably would have put the puzzle pieces together. I think it'd be very similar to probably a Pollyanna West when they were come up with a system or sorry Paulie and ninja Natalie where they would come up with a system and they'd probably do really well there while match so that would have been anyone's game where with this. Yeah. Well, yeah. Well, we see an elimination. So Kyle sticks visibility goes Paulie and ninja Maddie also goes Pauline and g'kar ago. Those nodding a turbo Thea go Theo Goes West and d and then Hunter instead of voting body and turbo, which he originally said he was going to his a burned vote and his partner. Georgia does vote not even turbo at elimination. He instead says Wesson D to tie it up. And this is where we get the to to where is either being scared and just doesn't want to say Paulie's name because he doesn't want Polly to be mad at him, huh, or he's potentially okay with sacrificing himself. We don't know comes down to it. We don't even know if that's what happens. To choose you have is we don't know still don't know. So are they dressed to go in? No, right? I think they were where they was. We're Hunters. No. No, the the tribunal's never dressed like threats. Kyle had his leather jacket on so I know that they weren't so even if it is to do to so ya know hundreds not ready to say because I mean they can do it like okay. Stop recording. Let's go get em dressed up. I mean, I can't do that. It's okay. They've not haven't done it. That's the idea that we all know. We don't know yet what happens with the to to I honestly do think Hunters being kind of scared which is disappointing. Eating because he likes to say that whole going against everybody what scared of saying Paulie's name's Molly not in him to make it another as you know, nothing personal but you're the one that I had to choose or you're that you know, you're the best option and I think I think Paulie would have took that man to Manta and Holly's out of my enemy. Yeah, Holly's got the Kyle thing. Even though right conspiracy Pauline Kyler friends. I just know I've said it before these guys are friends. I can tell I think there's stuff out on Twitter & Instagram. We can find to these guys are buddies. Cara has gotten them this far and it's great but they're buddies on the side. Let's be honest here. I think it come on. Come on Pam jump on my side for this one. I have been agree with you Dan. I don't I think they started out genuinely not as friends because of some smack talk and obviously sharing a girlfriend, but I think that throughout I think they like each other. I think they've grown fond of each other and that it is or funnier. If at this point is that now it's just like they're going to get their own show on MTV like Vinny and Pauly right now. The other two teams up for elimination. So why would why would vote the one team that you're not a lie to and you're not really feeling anything anybody like everybody knows you're sleeping with Mommy and everybody knows that Wes is your number one. So say Paulie's name and you probably understand it, right? He said he was gonna kill everybody anyway at the end of it. So, yeah, but we do we get the tie and then TJ just makes them run back through and revote and it's Georgia who hooks it up. Georgia are ride-or-die think she handle favorite for a job. Like screw it. Well, I'll flip my vote and I'll be the one and I'll just give three votes to Polly and ninja and they go down. Hmm Pollyanna. Janeiro have discuss who they want to go in and Polly is obviously pushing a little bit more for well Cindy at first then you see that he does communicate and work with this partner to then choose who ninja feels a little bit better about and that's action cam. Which before we continue one of the ways we keep all these shows for you free is by our amazing sponsors. And today Spotify is one of our sponsors on Fi you can listen to all of your favorite artists and podcasts in one place for free. You don't even need a premium account Spotify as a huge catalogue of podcasts on every topic including the one you're listening to right now on Spotify. You can follow your favorite podcast. So you don't miss an episode premium users can even download episodes to listen to offline wherever they are and you can easily share what you're listening to with all your friends and following on Instagram. You haven't done so already be sure to download the Spotify app and search for AfterBuzz TV on Spotify or browse podcasts in the your library tab also, So make sure you follow us. You never miss an episode of AfterBuzz TV hot take I do think as we saw with Polly and Natalie previous Natalie. Not not not a ninja Natalie has you know the last time the last challenge Natalie he is good with a partner. I think he's a good partner. Yeah, and he's respectful. However, I wonder if I don't think it would have suited him or them to pick Wes. Anyway, I wonder if it did suit them better based on the game if he would have fought that and try to override. I'm just saying I'm not saying he would have I'm just wondering it's interesting cause it also it seemed like I'm such a great guy but also write paper was murdered. Yeah, you're right. It would have been a really bad. Once you see they're down in The Killing Floor and I see that it's a wheel and a puzzle situation rather than a polar point or a I don't know a battlefield where there's a ball and a basket where I ha ha like handball one-on-one or something. Yeah. You said it out loud? It's going to be a decision which of course you should But I almost feel like they should at least maybe next season something. I hide you can't see what it is yet, you know, I mean, like maybe have them like behind the chili wall or something and then chill, you know, yeah have that Advantage. Yeah, that's interesting too. But in this where it is so half and half right now because of the tribunal I think it's nice to have that little advantage in picking who you want to go against keep it hard make it challenging. What'd you guys think of the elimination wheel of death? Oh my God. I I was crazy watching. It just know Ed want to do is I'll be off. Awful at this. I know I talk a lot about being good at these challenges. I was getting sick watching it and so are you guys so I don't want to be on that wheel legit was dizzy Just secondhand dizzy for them. I felt so bad for cam who was such a trooper? Yeah. She did. I think a great job. She was kept a cool head in the game despite barfing. She just was like next one over. I just think that Polly and Ja had an unfair a really great system. They obviously had you know a minute or two to prep before they went in and they had their numbers counting, you know, this many over bottom of this money up which is brilliant, you know, you can't really beat that with just going up no more to the right when someone's blindfolded. So I think they both from what we saw both teams gave it a really good go and it was close. I don't know how close it was in real time. It looks really close which is impressive for both teams, but you came down to both of them Polly a ninja asking for a check first and having one and right then a few seconds later camera - asking for check them having one expects that it just came down to who can figure out there. Yeah. I was just walking through because like yeah ain't nothing change the fact that she pushed through that was absolutely amazing and what it came down to was that the better system one and it didn't win by much the fact that Kim didn't give up. Is it a test to her about how I don't like to call her killer camp and I mean, I'm calling her killer Kim tonight when she lost so that's hair for me. But I was awesome the fact that she was puking throughout that wasn't saying I thought that her storyline wasn't that great this season and she's a little too cocky for me, but this This this elimination right here and she lost it changed my view on her for tonight. Yeah - could have performed better. Do you think actually not a hold the signs of him since his know what Ash says half the time. I don't - bowl a hot take here. Ash isn't going to be on another challenge hot a I'm with you on that and that's sarcastic hot take what he's not gonna be my job. Both, thank you. Thank you. Sorry. I have a thick accent like turbo clearly. Here's my bad guys. I thought you were eating hot takes for breakfast. Yeah, baby. We saw it looked good considering he seemed to perform decently and I don't know Polly and ninja again hats off. It was like 180 turn like they were so systematic because I was like we wasn't there. So that is really difficult. It was really difficult and his composure during all of that that he's able to just be locked in and spinning and not throw up and be able to direct her as perfectly as yeah impressive. It's very did you notice what Paul was doing when he was turning he was moving his head. So it was be as could write so he could focus for as long as possible space but his head the other way to focus as long as placement point of focus. Did you guys have yeah, of course. On the phone still I get nauseated pretty easily by things like that. So kudos to both of them because I would have been barfing and crying. Well, I was barfing is it scary I know can look like she was barfing up like stomach acid, you know when you have a stomach virus and there's just no food. Let me throw up and you just looks like you're throwing up egg yolk. Yes. That's all right who wants eggs for breakfast? No yelling. No emotion. Just kind of like well wasn't her night. See you next year. Well, they just peaced out Did It Really Care? Trust me CAM will be back. Yeah, I want her back. So don't worry just did what everybody does when they lay they win an elimination and they act like they just won the million dollars right that in there and he pulled the bear. He pulled a but everybody's always done. I'm coming for everybody. I'm the best. Yes. I know you got adrenaline after you went something like But there's probably something even scarier about just completing the challenge and not having to yell belligerently and everybody's and that people will take you more seriously. Like there's almost more credibility just being like yeah, I won that shit cause I know I could yeah instead of just being like a clown about it. Well, I thought considering everybody else's Behavior Polly was moderately tamed this time like after Bears histrionics and you know, I think he said you're all dead. Ed boom boom boom all of you, like who's coming? I'll take you out on a Titan. Because he does so many things I don't like but then he goes with a ninja Natalie who she wants and I think that's right to be trusting of your partner instead of trying to be mean to me all the time. And then yeah, it's a big win so I don't mind I'm getting excited but then he just goes to this next level and I'm like dude I get you're excited. But what you already have enough enemies stop talking on tight. It's okay. Take a seat. It's okay. All right. Now I'm not though at this point in the game Polly's only enemy is kind of oh, right, like right now he's and It's very loose. Okay, but we see and we're going to get into predictions a little bit later. But before we do just letting you know pressing that situation that now we do find out that the game is going to be individual going forward. No more teams 750,000 for first place 12:54 third 200k for second and 50k for third so we'll get some predictions in a minute. But let's do some news and gossip first, huh? Yeah, okay. So so first we'll start with the Georgia bear girlfriend situation because I talked about that at the top of the show. So Bears girlfriends, Miss Ellie underscore. Oh on Instagram. Yes post it in Tire caps on Instagram where she said how embarrassing is that voiceover voiceover during the whole Skype conversation. So clearly not actually Bears girlfriend's voice because she didn't give MTV permission to use her face or her voice, which is what I was Staying with the Blurred face has a separate voice to be bear girlfriend. So she saying camel off. Yes. She's saying how embarrassing is that voiceover. This was a private in capital letters call I got from him. I had no idea. I was being filmed and to use this for others people's entertainment is disgusting. I was so hurt and felt humiliated. Once I found out what had been going on Steven, which is bear only fooled himself because he lost me a loyal girl who has had his back through everything the second he got off the show. He told me he didn't cheat tried to get you back while we shocked tried to get me back and even got my name tattooed on him lol. But once I saw the show, I blocked him out of my life as for Georgia. I don't know why she's trying to act like she did know we were together. She was in his DM's before the show trying to flirt with him telling she's going on the same show and even said hi to me and him and Thorpe Park in for I think she meant and before the park. I didn't say anything. I didn't say anything about it because I never saw her as a threat. She knew we were together. As much as she tried to say she had no idea. I usually don't bite. I let Karma do its job, but I won't be taking the piss off of or mugged off. However, I'm very thankful to both of them such a lucky Escape their it got ridiculous and delusional that you're being filmed on TV making out with people you're gonna go to your girlfriend. So you write so that was a re-creation of a bear's girlfriend. Yeah, even her. Is hello that's what it's really too. That's what thank you Ali why not put that's why he was so crazy me why wouldn't they just show her face? That was why I brought up last weekend. You guys looked at me like I was crazy. I was like no. No, I know you're on my team. But that was I think you have to get their approval to use any footage. That was my point of why can't you can't blurt it out. They haven't really was his cousin to it. Manipulated from the girlfriends take on that message. She's saying Georgia knew we were together Georgia sauce before the show. I'm sure that jort that Berthold Georgia we've broken up. We're not together we've moved on so I don't think Georgia again. I don't know. I just watched the show from what we've seen what we know of bear. I'm going to trust that he manipulated both of them and that Georgia wasn't like screw her. I'm stealing her man. And and we have another one that Doubles down as a no no you sweat it. Okay special segments. So because yeah, both news and gossip and exactly so okay back to what we discussed earlier the situation that we saw after the truck competition between West and D Wes tweeted you didn't hear it. And I don't know he Toyota and you didn't hear it for him to what Dee said because what she said is too violent. Are on TV and kind of illegal. Like I said, I've moved on and have decided not to press charges. I'd be being a little dramatic there. I already received my heartfelt apology and I think the most most of the time she's a magnificent role model to torque child and then to which dear applied you're a damn liar. Oh, yeah. Sorry Dave on replied. You're a damn liar. And I said fine. I take it back and then she wrote LOL with a picture of garbage. So it seems like both of them have moved past it and it's a joke at this point. West is saying that off-camera and they didn't say it was it was so violent me and to maybe get arrested that she said I'm going to have my cousin's come kill you or beat you up or something and that is why he said you're being a bad role model again. It seems like these two have made up IRL and are moved on beautifully so together. I'm happy for them and I will say I did listen to Wes on some more news and gossip on challenge Mania and they asked him who was sort of his equal. Terms of commentary and he said Dave I was as good as Dave. She's great commentary. I love credible channels or energy she brings it. So I think those two have some respect for each other very, well. There's your news and gossip and on your twin in it while you well. Yeah, shall we get into some predictions because I'm excited. your AfterBuzz TV Okay, so we see it's going to be an individual game from now on. Who do you guys think? If you could pick a girl one girl one guy as your top prediction to make it to the final to win the final going forward, but I'm confused. Are they doing guy and girl Heats? We don't know. Is it just going to be top three guy or girl doesn't matter its individual something because I just picked my top three. So I guess I did and I and this is going to say Bad, but I went Wes Hunter Kyle and that simple those are three. I picked to go into the finals. So order to get one two three, but that I didn't I didn't put any girls in it though. That's my bad. So that's your that's rational prediction Westerner conscience. I leave I'm just like I'm leaving out Polly just cause I don't like him so they yeah, that's the only reason I think Paul he's a great competitor. I think you could do something but I'll put him in the fourth spot on but you gotta see your wheels turning. I don't know. This is really hard. It's really hard right now what we have left. A really good competitors it comes it's hard to pick. I've been surprised continuously by Georgia. So I don't want to count her out been surprised by Nani's performances. I always think Cara's great Maddie seems great deed. I mean, it's hard. We just want three David David David. How about you turbo and then Polly would be my three. Thank you turbo in there. Yeah. Girl is naughty Cara and then probably I don't know Maddie ninja magic between the E. I mean there be between those two. I think know I go ninja if I'm if I'm doing three girls. I'm going ninja D and I'll go George just cause she's so cute. Well now it's like that. Those are half the people still in the game. Can we narrow it down, please? I did I catch you guys Polly. And Wes and two girls Cara a ninja, okay. I'll second that that's probably I just I have two number ones. My biggest best predictions are people that were already partnered and as Polly ninja hmm. Okay, it's really as I don't know. I think Polly is well-rounded. I think he's got it and it's going to be hard though because I will like to see how turbo progresses because I think he's good as well. And I think nany and Maddie are good options to and there's always Cara but any Theo we're not only not as medicine to you know, He's got a really good chance, especially if it's endurance and distance, but it's like nothing to my head think of someone right now. I just see Paulie. He's been crushing it consistently like there's been ups and downs with West with Kyle with Hunter. There's some things they've not done well in and something they've risen to the challenge of poly and ninja have both consistently. Yeah. I mean, I know I know Hunters have been having it like an up and down season. But look what happened to him last season wouldn't it be amazing if he just got to be something going in his head right now like I gotta Make Up For What the hell happened to me last year. I really see him finishing in the top three just because of that and I hope that motivation. I mean I want I guess you know what? I also want that in my heart because of what happened to him and losing all that money to Ashley. So we see teaser for next week and we can do a predictions on this as well. Looks like Hunter and Turbo get into something more turbo looks heated like smoke coming out of his ears and Hunter just looks like he's hanging out like he's trying to talk to her about maybe West finally got through 200 be like to just let people talk. Initially he met his match. It doesn't mess right. I don't want to mess with turbo. That's a good he shoots Fireballs. Do you think someone's going home after that fan? Yeah, you think I just kind of Pop really at this point. None of them. Are that stupid? I don't think turbo hitting sure I'll see ya turbo goes home next week because he hits Hunter. There you go. I don't know. All right y'all there you have it. I was so nine excited to see where this show goes. Now that it's individual game. I think I will say that it is gonna get very Cutthroats. Wow, bold predictions. West would say it's going to get dicey dicey. Yeah, it's this I'll say this is been my favorite Challenge in a long time the last yeah. This is known as Rivals. I liked XXXX that they have consistently shown. With drama competition competition has been great, and I'm really enjoying the new people way more than I ever thought. I would I'll just thank you. So so so nice on Tuesday. I was just gonna say, I'm just happy that now we're finally getting down to the best of the best the needy greedy every time I see ya and I thank you guys for joining us till next time. My name is John of us are tweeting yourself at Jenna underscore bussiere plead and lingering on Instagram. I am Pam gross. You can find me at Pamela gross Joe all over social media. Thanks. 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Hello and welcome along to the property Academy podcast. I'm your host Steve McKnight and I'm Andrew niccol and today on the show. We've got another really interesting topic and it actually comes from a question that I had from another listener, which is we were previously talking on another episode about the differences between the property cycles that we see in the property market and the cycles that we see in the share market which tend to be more up and down in our conjecture was or the key message. We were trying to get across with in that episode was that the property Market does tend to be more stable. There aren't as many Peaks and troughs in it particularly in the Auckland Market compared to the share market. So what we're going to do in this episode is we're going to give you four different sources other than the fact that you can leverage in order to purchase property, which is a big difference as well. But we're going to give you four differences between the actual markets between shears. And investment property or the property Market in general. Now this all comes back to the fact that in the share market the share market is a hundred percent investor driven people are there to get a return on their investment and they act on that now within the property Market it's completely different because 76% of the property Market is based on owner-occupiers only 24 percent of the property Market is investor driven and this leads to some corn and some real differences and how the markets operate. So we're going to go through each of these four. So number one is that there are higher barriers to exit particularly for owner-occupiers. So, you know, if you think about an owner occupy if the price is in the property Market start to go down and they start to panic even if they did suddenly think we need to sell our property in order to maintain Equity if that's what they were thinking. They would not only have to sell like an investor would and The sales cost to a real estate agent, but that also have to move their family that have to move their whole life in order to be able to do that. And so we don't see owner occupies coming in and out of the market depending on what the price is doing and that's simply because owner-occupiers aren't necessarily worried about the price day-to-day. Yes. They are thinking about the long-term trends because it makes them feel wealthier. But because we don't see this entry and exit from the property Market from these owner. Occupiers who make up the bulk of the market. You've actually got a slightly less time hammock Market than you do in the share market and so we don't see as much price variation because of these higher exit barriers now Andrew what have you got down as the the number two difference between these two markets? So the second is that there's more emotion involved to property and so what that means is that it can be more easily manipulated. So if you've got a property where maybe there hasn't been the same growth or its come back. Little better what you want to add some value to it. It's a relatively easy to do that through cheap often cheap cosmetic changes to it. So you can go in and you can you know put in some new wallpaper paint it up to, you know, change the bathroom and manipulate the value of a property much more easily because it appeals to a certain more people now, then you can with something like she is that's right and because of that because especially owner occupiers who make up the bulk of the market are more emotionally driven we do tend to see See more stable prices because of that because if you want to raise the price of a property, you can actually make some minor cosmetic changes that will appeal to owner-occupiers ending get that that that that slightly higher price and actually we've done some really good episodes on this with Tim Weston who has done a lot of Renovations was actually on Grand designs and we also talked about it with Nick who is a developer investor down in Christchurch. Now, let's talk about the third difference that we see and this is this A really big one because the share market Is So based on investor sentiment about where is the market going as this Shear? Is this particular stock or share doing well, or is it doing poorly and because it's based on vent investor sentiment and the whole Market is based of an is made up of investors. We do see that it's quite volatile. Where is again? Because the property Market is only made up of 24 percent investors where the rest is owner-occupiers where they're all stable and their homes You know, there's this really long term Trend with a New Zealand or this this long-term value of owning your own home because of that that market is not volatile. It's not fully based on investments investor sentiment and again, so when prices do drop owner-occupiers just don't sell their homes. And then we have lower Supply in the market which keeps prices relatively stable over that time so we don't have the whole of the market. Based on one particular by group and so these two tend to even each other out and I should say again. The owner occupier part of the market is very stable because people aren't going to all of a sudden wake up tomorrow. And thank although the market is not the markets bad. I'm not going to get in. You know, if people want to buy their own homes, they're typically going to buy their own homes when they can because that's something they want to do. It's not based on the on the necessarily on the fundamental value of that property, but Andrew bring it home with the fourth difference. Between the property Market in the share market. So the final one it is just having individual control. So generally speaking with most people who are investing in property. It's a complete direct investment. So you own the property yourself, and normally it's just yourself yourself in a partner or something like that. And so you've got a lot of control with what you do with that asset when your salad Etc and compare that to someone who's just a shareholder and say whis pack how are you going to be able to control or make significant changes to the direction that we spec a If you're unhappy with the performance of them, it's just impossible. That's right. Unless you're Craig's Investment Partners David McLean's not very interested in what you've got to say. It's a shield or in mighty mighty might be the CEO of wisbech might be interested in what you're going to say is individual shareholder if it's something particularly good but I think the reason these are these are really important is that yes, there are some there's lots of differences between property and shares but we specifically talking about the markets here the fact that the property Market is primarily made up of owner-occupied. Sighs and that has some real benefits for property investors because it means that we can be a little bit more Nimble we can enter the market and exit the market much more easily than an owner occupier and take advantage of trends when they're good or win that or wind are unfortunately not as good and because we have more individual control, even if the market is flat or comes back a little bit because we can make changes to the property to increase its value if necessary. It means we're able to kind of mitigate our risks or here. Happy it's so even if if it does slightly come back we can make some changes where appropriate and order to increase its value and that really helps to protect us as property investors. Now. 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In this episode, we discuss 4 key differences between the property market and the share market. Only 24% of the property market is made up of investors, the rest is primarily made up of owner-occupiers, this has some important flow on effects in terms of how the market operates: The property market has higher barriers to exit for owner-occupiers than there are in the share market. Property owners need to pay for a real estate agent to sell their house, which can be a real disincentive for property owners to get out of the market – especially as it takes a median of 33 days to sell a property, whereas shares can be traded instantaneously. This means that when the market is not doing so well relatively fewer property owners will opt to sell their properties, which creates a more stable market In the property market, you have the ability to make cosmetic changes to your investment in order to increase its value. You can't do this in the share market, because you have one share. And because there is more emotion associated with property, investors have the opportunity to make quick gains because the market is based on emotion, not on the fundamental value of the asset The property market is less reliant on investor sentiment, as the majority of the market is not made up of investors Individual property investors have more control over what they can do with their investment. If you are an investor and want to make a change to your property, you can. If you're a Westpac shareholder, try telling Westpac what you want them to do.

Hey guys, this is Lisa and Rebecca and we are here on the secret life of weddings. If you like drama, you're in the right place where we tell you the world's craziest, but true wedding stories. So get ready for the drama on the secret life of weddings. Hey screams, it is Lisa and Rebecca here on the secret life of weddings podcast. Welcome to episode 125. Okay, let's jump into in the news this week. All right, it's a good one Lisa according to boing boing dotnet a couple got engaged at Walmart hours after armed robbery in North Carolina a love-struck convenience store clerk and her fiance now have matching criminal charges investigators said the robber. Took place after 10 p.m. Monday night when a man with a hat bandana and some sort of ornamental sword bottom to the store right? I know right who wouldn't marry that guy. Yeah walked into the store and demanded money from the clerk. He walks out of the store with two thousand nine hundred and sixty dollars according to a release from mdps Carswell allowed officers to search her cell phone Carswell is the clerk of the store. Resulting in them finding videos of her and more the accused getting engaged at Walmart early Tuesday morning after the robbery. They're really said receipts seized during the execution of a search warrant. I was like, wait, wait, wait, they execute I thought they legit like cut their heads off for that. And I thought, you know, I was believing that, you know, the US was in trouble and everything, but I didn't think We're executing people in Walmart's holy. Oh my gosh, when please execute a search warrant at Moore's vehicle, they found money from the store and a handwritten list of materials needed to conduct the robbery at worse and carswell's house police found the weapon and clothing worn by murdering the robbery. The release said she still claims that she's innocent had nothing to do with the robbery. Yeah, right. I like really, you know, at least if you're going to rob a place you might want to get rid of all the evidence. I can't believe the sword. How does that there's photos to and he's got the sword in his hand. I'm like really? Yeah. I know exactly what kind of guy that is to do you? Oh, yeah, they're not cool. They're the type that have those big samurai swords up on the wall. Yes, like a display and it's like, you know, Now that's his first girlfriend for sure. They went and bought their engagement rings out warmer and got engaged. Congratulations. Yeah, not shame me all my rings. I'm just saying just saying just saying well, they're all in let's just put it that way this week of the fuck is bucket / advice Corner. We want to throw wedding dress remorse in the fuck it buckets. Yes you No, as I said to you I've seen so much of this now. It's kind of crazy. It's an epidemic. Yes, everyone and their posts and wedding groups about buyer's remorse and they found another just they love so much. Why the fuck are y'all looking at other dresses? I want to know. Yeah. Yeah, don't get it spent a ton of money and time and emotion attaching and bonding with this. Dress I get it. I do I did it myself. It is an easy trap to fall into but don't do it. This is our advice are warning to you guys. Yes, because otherwise you're going to find yourself with two dresses and one you're going to have to Russian cell. Yeah or changing and it's just silly a little bit. I think but you know, listen. Yeah, I mean you can if you have the money if you have all the money in the world go nuts. Yeah, fuck by 5. I don't care point is most of us don't have and less money to drop onto dresses. So yeah Our advice to you would be stopped looking after you found the dress and put those energies into something else for your wedding. Yeah. Stop setting yourself up for failure here. Yeah, really? Delete all the photos on your phone. And anybody else's phone of you in any other dress get rid of it. Yep, stop comparing because it's something that we you have doubts and it this is our reassurance to It's normal to feel doubts about your dress after you buy it. I had it I even to this day I sit here sometimes going did I pick the right dress? My point is it's never if you think is perfect you're lucky because a lot of people don't have that Perfection on every little part of their day and addresses a very very subjective for women. It has to do with how we see ourselves, which is already completely fucked up at times. Yep. We are, you know, very self-conscious about our Our bodies how we look and things it's just a whole other layer deeper and you just don't need to complicate it further by looking at other options. Yes. Okay. Exactly. Are we cool? I'm okay with the whole sharing yourself in different dresses to try and pick one. I get that that's cool. Yeah before you buy one. Yes, not after not after stop looking stop it. Yeah, you don't need it. It's like when you find your partner star, are you still going out and looking? Yeah. Stop get eight when you find your partner and you're going to be like married typical relationship not talking about Paulie here typical relationship. That's you know, whatever you get off Tinder. Am I right people? Yes, you don't, you know, wait a few months and then log back in and just just to see what's out there. No, stop disrespecting your wedding dress. Okay, exactly respect your choice respect the dress. Yes, let all the others go. I just stopped you guys and no you look amazing in the one you bought and you loved it. You buy it so far in advance to Lisa right that you kind of like anything else. It's like a pair of shoes. Right? I liked them six months ago. But now I don't know, you know, it's human. It's human endless. 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We actually think that's fabulous. Send it to us record your story send it to us or write it out secret life of weddings at gmail.com. And now for Carrie's Story. Hey ladies carry Porter Bond here fan in the Facebook group and listener and I love your show. And when I heard the story that my bride just told me today I said I have to submit this so I don't know if you can take an audio submission, but I'm recording this while it's fresh on my mind. So I'm Wedding photographer in Key West Florida, we do a lot of destination weddings. We have couples that come down and you know, maybe just have the two of them or really small group and don't really do a lot of the traditional wedding who blah blah no limo, or you know Transportation or anything like that. They just sort of hop in an Uber and go downtown after their ceremony and such was the case with my bride today. I photographed their wedding a couple of days ago and they've been in town and so I offered Her a complimentary in studio. Shoot. I love to do women's portraits. So when I do have a bride who's going to be in town for a couple of days, I will give that to her as a gift and so my bride comes in and you know, we're kind of getting going and you know what I always tell them, you know be bring whatever outfits you'd like to bring if you want to bring your wedding dress, you're more than welcome to but you know, this is really just a fun shoot for you so you don't have to but it's totally up to you. So anyway, so she gives To the shoe and we're kind of going through wardrobe and the topic of the wedding dress comes up and that's when she tells me what happened after I left and so it all kind of started. She has one of those wedding dresses that has a really long ribbon that laces up the back its kind of one of those really super fitted corset Style bodices on the top of the dress and then you know the bottom Flows out from there and the back of it laces up as you are probably familiar and then it has like the big long ribbon that typically you will tuck in. So anyway, so I'm there. I'm doing getting ready photos. She's getting laced up and we're kind of cracking jokes about you know, can she breathe and you know, if she can't then it's perfect and one of the Bridesmaids, you know is laughing like, oh the groom is going to have to get Scissors to get you out of this thing because it's so tight and you know, there's just a lot of back and forth with the lacing. It's just really kind of complicated assembly, but we get the dress on her forget about it go on about the wedding ceremony goes off without a hitch. We do some photos afterwards and then I leave my coverage was over so I leave and so now she's telling me the story of what happened after. I left and apparently as the evening had gone on the laces had started to kind of get a little bit looser. And so she was like, you know, the the course that was kind of separating from her from her body was kind of giving little gaps here and there so they said well we want to go downtown and they wanted to wear their wedding attire and sort of do a newlywed Duval crawl on Duval Street is kind of are really famous kind of party Street. And so they were going to go downtown in their wedding attire. And so she's like why don't want to go downtown with it loose like this. So let me get it released back up. So she gets one of her bridesmaids to help her and the bridesmaid is, you know, lacing her up and kind of tightening it up and everything. Well in the meantime, the groom has requested the Uber and it's now only a couple of minutes away. So they're start to rush and she just kind of does it really fast and either doesn't really tie it off really well or whatever and then doesn't bother to tuck the straps and to the inside of the dress. Like normally you have the long ribbon kind of the ends of it and then you tuck it down so that it's like nice and tidy. Well, she had left it out and these ribbons are really really long and they were really I'm calling them ribbons, but they were really like thick kind of straps almost you would say like a ribbon covered strap. uh, it's hard to describe but they're really thick and really strong so they get in the Uber and off they go and all of a sudden the bride gets jerked very forcefully off of her seat and like flies into the inside of the door like against the door as they're driving and so she's kind of shocked and you know, not sure what to think and kind of starts to try to get up and sizes that she a can't move and be she feels her dress like slowly tightening around her and so she's like reaching to her party for help and they realize that she is, you know, in distress and they're trying to get her and she's stuck to the door. And in the meantime her ribcage. She said she could feel the dress like compressing around her ribcage and it's squeezing her and squeezing her and her And is trying to get her up. They don't you know, of course in the moment. They don't exactly realize what has happened. And so she's being squeezed and squeezed. She said she could almost barely breathe every time she breathed out. It was almost like a boa constrictor like constricting her air and it starts to like squeeze into her belly and she's like, it's getting Tighter and Tighter and Tighter and so they're yelling to the driver to stop. Top and they're all trying to get her and now they've realized that her straps her ribbons for her dress were left outside of the car or of the van that they're in and she somehow is it's caught around something. Of course, they don't realize this in the moment, but for whatever reason she is stuck and is like being basically crushed to death by her wedding dress. She's like I could barely breathe my rib cage. Like closing in around my organs and because there was like a significant kind of Gap, you know, there was like a little bit of space between so that you could see the back and forth of the laces that was how it was designed. So you've got an easy probably four to six inches of space, you know from the bottom you kind of gradually going up toward the top and like a V shape you had a lot of leeway and now at this point the The sides of the corset are lace completely closed like there is no space between them and I'm just like she's telling me the story and I'm like, oh my gosh, like it was tight when it was on you and it had that four to six inch Gap. I cannot imagine like we had trouble just getting it tight with that so I could not imagine another four to six inches being squeezed together where the two edges were. Literally touching so they they are yelling to the driver. He apparently comes around a corner and they hear a snap and she said for a split second. She goes. Oh my gosh. I've just broken one of my ribs. And so they stop thankfully that was not the case. But now the corset is so tight. She can barely catch her breath. They opened the door. They realized the manage and the ribbon is like wrapped around the tire or the axle and they are trying to get it undone. It did break one of the straps but not the other so they cut the other strap. But now the thing is so tight that they can't get it off of her. So going back to the getting ready. They get her into back into the space or hotel. I'm not even sure where they ended up but they get Scissors and they literally had to cut her out of the dress. Like they could not unravel the ribbon. It was so shredded and so gnarled up that there was no way that they were getting it off. And of course in the meantime, she's being squeezed to death by this dress. So yeah, they literally had to get the scissors and free her from her own wedding dress and we laughed about it. It now obviously she said in the moment. It was very scary, but we were joking and she said, you know near death experience by wedding dress strangulation almost but oh my gosh, so needless to say she did not end up going downtown in her wedding dress and ended up changing, but I think any bride who is maybe considering a lace-up corset style dress if you are going to go in a vehicle, please. Look in the ribbons. So anyway, I had to share that story. I thought that was the craziest thing that has happened to one of my Brides in a long time. And I thought you might enjoy so have fun with that. Thanks so much for the show and I'll see you soon. Holy shit. That is insanity. That's nuts. Oh my God. I don't know what I would do scream a lot. I mean, oh if I was the person like if I was the bride, I'd be like, oh my God. Oh my God rip this open someone rip it open. Oh, yeah because I can't stand being I get claustrophobic as it is. Can you imagine being claustrophobic in you're having your ribs crushed? Oh, gotcha. Yeah. Imagine if you had fake boobs, like what if it was on the bowl who look it was one of those courses and it did we must a boob. Well, that's I would be afraid of a leak. Yeah SLI, I'd be like, is it gonna like jello gonna pop out? Yeah like that. Yeah, very bad. No suit. Bridesmaids tuck those strings in always and make them short, even if that means cutting them. They don't they're way too long as it is. It's ridiculous how long they make these things. Do you know a similar thing? It's like similar but not similar at all happened to me. Actually. I was in the parking lot of my kids school and I go to pull out and I and I would like driving and the car like it wouldn't go forward and I was like what is going on? So I got out and and the strap from my kids car seat had gotten caught in the wheel underneath and was like, I was trying to drive on it and the car wouldn't pull forward because it was pulling against the seat and side outside. It was the same thing almost and so I had to get out. Oh my God, pull it out. I think I had a guy helped me because it was I had to like back up with Yang it at the same time or something. It was messed up. Oh God, it was so messed up. But yeah, so I'm we're glad the Okay, I hope everything is seen Yang did break and and all is well, but guys just watch those strings. Yes, and oh my gosh. All right scary said note to self always tuck always talk talk that shit in I saw that at the end of the story because it's an audio story. So I didn't hear it before and I was like, is this a story about drag queens always Tuck best advice ever? Oh my gosh. Okay. Our next story is coming from a listener. R hey I've been holding back on sharing these stories because I've been afraid that the people involved would know it's me but fuck it. Fuck it bucket. Yeah good for you. My Alias is Smokey mix smoke erson, which doesn't matter because I don't use names in the story, but I wanted dibs in case I ever send more stories to you. I love it. Yeah like it if they're deep throat. Yes, this is Strip club freak out a couple years ago. I was a bridesmaid in a wedding. We had set the bachelorette party for Florida and all made our way down for what was supposed to be a great weekend the night started off. Well, we got pretty drunk ate great food and decided to go to a strip club with female strippers because we all admire their talent. I love that. Yeah, we get there and everything is going so well the bride is having a great time, but very soon after her arrival and about R-25 shots deep. She is hammered. She's dancing with the strippers dancing with other men, which we at first tried to stop her from doing this but eventually realized we were going to win a fight. So we let it go when a drunk woman wants to grind on someone there is no stopping her apparently. Wow. Okay, then shit. I think that's the universal law of grindage. It's just if a drunk woman wants to grind she's gonna do it. Gonna Grant yeah, then shit hit the fan the soon-to-be bride realized her $12,000 custom engagement. Ring was no longer on her finger. I've never seen someone sober up so fast. Oh no, all the Bridesmaids tried to stay calm for her, but the wedding was two weeks away. So it was hard to not panic. We all stopped what we were doing to try to find the ring. We looked all over I can't imagine how crazy we all looked literally. Holding our phone flashlights up in a dark club with people everywhere trying to find this damn ring. Oh no after about an hour of searching and still no ring. We called to make a police report. Once we had that situated the night was obviously over the mood was killed on the very sad and quiet way home bride-to-be called for future hubby to tell him the bad news. He was obviously not happy because the ring wasn't even paid off yet. Oh, that's Yanks. We spent the next morning going through Instagram videos to try to figure out what at what point of the night she lost the ring. That's smart. Sure. Yeah, we went back and forth you had it in this video at 11:39, but not in this one at 12:14, which was all pretty useless. Now that I look back because mind you we were in a strip club. So needless to say she never got a ring back. We all think there was a stripper who got really lucky. He that night on the day of the wedding the bride had on a fake engagement ring. She never did get another real one, which it turns out didn't even matter. They are now divorced because they both ended up cheating on each other within a couple months of being married the marriage lasted just barely one year. I have so many more stories about this wedding, but also some about my own since I got engaged this past September and I'm already having shit shows occur right before my eyes. Well, then you need to send those in to us. Yes, you do. Oh my God, I was gonna be like, okay, let's make a miracle happen. Let's share this and you know, hopefully the stripper who founded a lot of like a stripper with a heart of gold and she'll, you know, send it to us and we'll reunite them with their ring and y'all are like now they cheated and boned other people and now they're divorced and I was crushed. So do you know what this would be a good time for Moissanite? Oh, yes, let's insert a Charles and colvard up or just go to Charles and covert colvard guys because really I mean $12,000 see you wouldn't have lost $12,000. Do you see ya promo code secret life just saying just saying but seriously Dada that story's amazing, please send us your other ones. We would love to have them secret life of weddings at gmail.com. We want to say thank you to our patreon members this week are newbies are Rianne. I hope I'm saying that right. It's our IA n is that rien Ryan Ryan Ryan. Is it Ryan Rin? Yeah, Ryan. 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Hey ladies, I wanted to ask you a question regarding engagement rings. Well really about my engagement ring first. Let me tell you a little bit about the family. I'm marrying into they Wonderful people I'm truly lucky to have been accepted and welcomed into such a loving giving and fun family. My family is the opposite and most don't like me. So I never felt like I had much of a family growing up a lot of family members felt. My mom was underneath or unacceptable to marry into my father's family and hated her for her class. Whatever the fuck that means. They married in the 80s. My dad's family is not rich they are. Not well-known individuals. They are just assholes that think they are superior to people when really they aren't they sound like really great. I love them Thanksgiving must be awesome, right? Yeah, by the way, Happy Thanksgiving to our American. Listen. Yes who I am jealous of your turkey right now the ones that hated my mother the most were my dad's parents and because I'm my mother's daughter also half my dad's but apparently that doesn't mean shit all They really hate me and I have grown up without knowing what it was like to have grandparents. My mom's an orphan. I love my fiance's grandmother. I called her Nana had hung out with her and talked to her on the phone often. We had a great relationship the first year she gave me a card that she signed off as Nana to me. I cried turns out that Nana collected and sold jewelry on the side. Wow. Dan is a hustler. Yeah and told my fiancé She had the perfect ring for me and showed us the ring. It was beautiful more than I could have ever dreamed of for a ring. And it was like she had read my mind in every way. The ring was perfect for me and made me so excited to wear it. They discussed a payment plan and we left it that a few months later. Nana was diagnosed with cancer on Anna and we forgot all about the ring and engagement plans. We had a wonderful few months with Nana before she died. She was a truly loving. And after the funeral the family started talking about the will and her jewelry business. We asked what would be happening since we had a verbal agreement with Nana and my mother-in-law told me that Nana had specified in her will that any jewelry marked and put aside on layaway for her grandchildren could consider their debts done and take what they had on hold without any more payments. This is where the story gets confusing because after that she told us she had saved our ring from Nana's estate, but had to take A cut from her inheritance to get it. So we would have to pay her twenty five hundred dollars to get it from my mother-in-law. I'm not a jewelry person at all. And the only real reason I love the ring is because it was Nana's and that she had bought it for my fiance to propose to me. My mother thinks it's dirty handed on my mother-in-law to do this and thinks I should just let it go and not make payments as we are paying for the wedding ourselves and saving for infertility. Body treatments are for after the wedding my mother in law states that she thinks every man should buy the engagement ring. Even if it is a family ring. What would you do in this situation? Currently? I'm making small payments of what I can send her wanted $200 per month and I told her I can make a bigger payment after the wedding vendors are paid, but she seems to have different stories about why we must pay for the ring and says she's giving it to us at a discount as the ring could see five to six thousand dollars. Am I being a bridezilla or a brat or do you send something fishy about her stories too? Hmm. Your mother-in-law is taking you for a ride. Yeah. I kind of sorry. I think maybe you should walk away. I think it's hard. Okay. I'm just going to be frank here, please. I think it's gross that she's even charging you. Yeah, sorry, I do lie. I think that's bullshit. Nana said that that the debts were done. Like I don't think her excuse makes any sense. No, I have to pay a part of my inheritance to take this thing. That was our family's anyway, how does the yeah. No, I'm not buying it. I'm not buying it. I think she's trying to get money out of you, which is really gross considering you're paying for your own wedding. Like I just don't I mean if she was paying for your wedding, okay, I could see see, you know, okay, will you guys got to pay for something? You know what I mean? But yeah, and as for she's your mother-in-law thinking every man needs to pay for the engagement ring, even if it's a family ring. No stupid. No so stupid. That's no that's dumb. I'm sorry, but I know you love them and all but that's I'm curious what your fiance's saying because I think this is kind of brutal. Mmm, I agree with your Rebecca. I don't think I don't I think she's screwing around with them. And I think when someone screws with you like that, it's best just to walk away. I understand totally why you want the ring and that totally sucks that she's holding it hostage, but I don't know if there's anything more you can do. I don't know if it's worth the money for you at this point. Yeah, if it's not something you can afford like if you have your heart set on it if this means so much to you that you would pay the money in an instant. You would take other things away from your wedding day to have this ring Forever on your finger fucking do it. Yeah opinion. Yeah, you have to ask yourself. How much is it going to crush me if in ten years I look at my finger and I'm still thinking about that Rick ever don't think it warrants her fiance having a conversation with his mother God. Yes. Do you think that should have been that's the first thing that should have happened is him talking is my be like, well, hold on a second here. Yeah, I mean get exactly what's going on written down. Out on paper like this almost needs to be a contract at this point. I don't trust the the shifting story. So my point is though Rebecca. If you can't, you know, get him to talk to her work it out or for whatever reason how much of yourself is it going to destroy going through this process with her, so don't let it ruin your wedding. Don't let it ruin yourself. And if the ring doesn't mean that much to you that it's going to bother you in 10 years, maybe consider letting a go if it does mean that much to you. Fight also how much have you paid already like well, that's to that as well. I want to make sure that you have a pierced ear there. Okay, if it was anything I've learned in my real estate course. It's went to consult a third party professional and I don't think we count so you may want to ask a lawyer friend, but we are total professionals. We're third party wedding professionals. We say your chain is getting yanked. Yes. That's what we think keep us posted. Let us know how it turns out. Because we would like to know and we hope it does work out for I hope she never turns the other cheek and says just take it just take the damn thing. Yes. Yeah, that would be when she grows up a little bit and does what's good for her son? Yes future daughter-in-law. Yes. Yes for sending your question and okay guys today. I need to talk to you about Casita by Lutron. It's smart lighting control brought to you by Lutron Pioneers in Smart Home Technology. A lot of people think you need smart bulbs to get smart lighting but there is a smarter way Casino. 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All right, and because infidelity is such a massive topic everywhere the groom had his Side chick bring his shoes to the church after he claimed he was only in the wedding as the best man. She ended up lingering around until it was time for The Possession when he took the bride's hand the side chick went off and the bride started hitting him in his face and he hit her back hard. Yeah, he's like no you didn't. Wow, you didn't let me tell you if he's hitting you you might want to yeah, I don't know. Why don't you take my shoes off the bride and hopefully the side chick and beat the crap out of him in the middle of the aisle, right? I'd stick the heel through his eye. Oh, yeah. It's ok. Really wouldn't do that was very violent like really violent. Even for you, is that you far? Is that too far? No, I liked it. It was good. We have an explicit rating. We can say what we want that fine that went dark fast. It was good. I'm just going to put a trigger warning for violence on this episode. That's good an HS warning. He'll stabbings. Well, thank you for that loan. Nugget Rebecca. That was yeah. You're welcome. I'm gonna be dreaming about that tonight. Hey ladies, first of all, I have to say Say thank you for making the podcast. I've always wanted to make if you're welcome. I listen to a lot of podcasts and funny enough. I think I heard about you on Canadian True Crime. That is our girl Steve Steve. We love her. She is the best go listen to Canadian True Crime. If you haven't and you want a break from all this laughter and you want some murder. Yeah, like the murders as much as we do go check out Canadian True Crime that was a couple of days ago. And now I'm on episode 9. I'm an event coordinator and I have seen some crazy. In my 20 years of working in hospitality and banquets. I still love to hear your stories and every episode reminds me of yet another crazy story. I want to share with you see its opening the Vault. Yes, this is what's happening. Yeah, but I was really prompted to share my answer to your question about the best man / officiants or reaching back here. Yeah, like way back that proposed to his pregnant girlfriend during The couple's ceremony. That is not okay and they proceeded to make the reception about them to face-palming so hard. I need Tylenol yikes. I had a wedding about 10 years ago. So my memory isn't perfect. But I believe either the mother of the bride was proposed to by her boyfriend or the Father of the Bride proposed to his girlfriend during the reception eek granted. The ceremony was over and we were at least two hours into the reception because the formalities and dinner We're over and it was just dancing or drinking time. But even then not. Okay. Anyway, keep up the good work and I'll probably be sending you more stories soon about the wedding. I worked where James Van Der Beek was in attendance when the bride showed up three hours late to a forced marriage when the Father of the Bride had a heart attack on the dance floor and my personal worst the time I got snowed in to my venue and had the worst 26 hours of My Life The Wedding that Acme oh my God. I want that's right. Lot's of Luck. Would it be great if all that happened at one wedding fabulous? Yeah like James Van Der Beek was there there was a snowstorm. Yeah. There was a heart attack. Well, that would be good. But you know what I'm saying? Yeah, lots of love and respect to you and I can't wait to pinch more of your podcast sincerely Victoria. Thank you Victoria. You know what I would love what I would love if she could tell us the James Van Der Beek story and then we could talk to James Van Der Beek. Yeah. It'll be fun. I'll I would be like, it's member remember when you were Dawson. Yes, he much all I got I'll leave the rest to you Rebecca. I love it. Oh my gosh. Okay. We got our double Dee's baby and it's a listener story. Hi ladies. Obviously. I love your show. My best friend introduced me to the show and I binge the show like crazy the last couple of months. I theriot is like my second home. I grew up in Buffalo. What? Tup Buffalo. Hey, fun fact at Christmas. Do you ever listen to the Buffalo Christmas stage? Yes. It's on in my are. Yep Star 102.5 and listen see the problem. I have those it doesn't start up until after American Thanksgiving. Is it on ya know it started before really I thought it was I've had it on for two weeks. No, we checked we checked a couple weeks ago. It wasn't on so I must have just missed the start. Yes. Well, it's my favorite is the local commercials. They do like, you know, Don't wander for mr. Lee Market. Yes never stops, right? I want a tops. We had a tops saving you more saving you more. That's right. It's always like like a Tonawanda Chicago Chicago way. Yeah en route 402 da-da-da-da-da and then it I love the weather reports because it's like 75 people have run into each other on the snowy Highway and we're having a blizzard and I'm like, this is so Christmas. See, it's awesome. Yes. I love it. Yeah, amazing Pride I take so much joy, in other people's car crash apparently. No I but what up Buffalo I guess is what I'm trying to get out here. I'm writing because my dating life is definitely laughable or at least I like to laugh at it a little context for one of my favorite and unfortunate dating stories. I decided to move to Florida for a couple years to work at Disney while I was in college. That's amazing. I feel like there's a lot of Florida in the Episode you've mentioned a startling two or three times. Okay, that's totally by accident. Okay. Okay, I was single and ready to mingle as the kids say I am I met this guy on Tinder. You already know this was a bad decision and he was working at Disney as well. We hit it off and everything seemed to be going well or so. I thought I would spend time at his apartment with his roommates all the time and we would go on dates in the park. It felt like it was getting serious and I was excited to see where it would go. Well, it was New Year's Eve and I just got out of work and was planning on spending it with my work friends because he was still working at midnight. He sent me a snap on snap chat saying he wanted to Netflix and chill but I was with my friends and drinking so I couldn't drive over. He didn't reply to the snap I sent so I went back to the party after the party. I walked home and went to snap him. Good night. And he had blocked me. Oh, I was still drunk and tired. So I went to sleep when I woke up in the morning. I was still blocked and completely upset. Like what did I do? Well little did I know that he was dating someone else at the same time. I bet you are thinking well, I hope you are thinking how did I find this out? Well, my roommate at the time was talking about a girl on her Facebook. Engaged as someone that loves seeing engagement stories. I asked her to show me the pictures as she opened the pictures. I saw his face on Harold Lee. He got engaged to this girl on New Year's Day. I want to say this is the first time that something like this has happened to me, but I would be lying. I hope this gives you a laugh even if you don't put it on the show. Thank you for always getting me to laugh out loud while I'm at work. Oh my god. Oh, I got so I want to know he was engaged like was he engaged when he was seeing her ya ain't getting no he got engaged on New Year's and then he was New Year's. She was let's remember. She was under your night that night. She was of New Year's party. He got engaged during that day and he asked her to come over that night for a booty call. It was New Year's Eve. Oh my God. That's what I just was trying to put together in my head. Yes douchebag. Nevermind. I like that. She said I want to say this was the first time that something like this happened to me, but I would be lying. I need more you because I didn't know how many times this has happened to you. That's like holding a sausage up in front of a rottweiler. Yes, you get that to Rebecca. It's not night. It's me more unique. Can you imagine that's like no, you know that you hear those stories of women who like they're married someone's married and then they see a photo online or Over and their spouses in the picture with someone else and it's just like such a mindfuck. I can't even yeah, it's kind of crazy crazy. Well, thank you so much for sending that in that was fabulous. My favorite part about the holidays is reconnecting with family. I love swapping stories and reliving moments together. But keeping these memories live can be hard. That's why I'm giving my family the most meaningful gift this year story worth story worth is so cool. I have set up my mom on it. 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Yeah, and she goes what about the other people who have Christmas trees in their Windows, like what if they don't want us looking at their trees and I said, well, no, that's why we put people put their Christmas trees typically in the front window. So other people can look at it. She goes, I don't want people looking at my tree. She goes I want a private Christmas tree. Oh my God, I was like that's not a thing. Yeah. I said you want a private Christmas tree. So she we call her high maintenance for obvious reasons this child. But yeah, it was fun. We went out to a Christmas tree farm and got the Christmas tree. I almost broke this year this year. I was like, I think we should just get a fake tree. I said to Justin and I had been getting real ones my whole life. I fought the fight the fight like she did today with me. Yeah. I was a kid to my mom will laugh her ass off when she hears this and I this year I finally went the mess is crazy last two years. It has done nothing but fall down on me. Yeah water goes everywhere all over the carpet. Yeah, you have to get rid of it after it's costing the we're buying $70 $80 real trees. It's fucking expensive like yeah. Yeah lat and Jill's been driving us nuts. Liam didn't really want to go Jill did and Justin kind of didn't so I was like, oh to maybe we just go Oh by a fake one, yeah, she fought tooth and nail one. I just was like I'm proud of her and I said it's just the irony of it because I did the exact. Yeah, I was her age. Yeah. That was awesome. Yeah. Anyway, I do both my fake ones up already but I gotta get my real one still but yeah, yeah, we do both. How come you do both. I put the fake one in my the front of my house. So in the window and then Like we're huge on Christmas and we don't hang out in that room. So the second one goes in my family room where we can look at it every day. Wait, so that's the private Christmas tree. Yeah just to clarify. So I mean I need to talk to Jill and let her know that I have a private Christmas tree because I have to there you go exactly right? Yeah. I know. No because then she'll come home be like Mom Rebecca has to yes, we need to yeah. Actually, she walks over at the farm a she goes up to this little tiny Christmas tree this No taller than her and she goes we should buy this one. Yeah, and I joked I said, oh you can have that for your room and Justin shot me daggers, and he goes showed off because he know she's going to ask for that. Yeah, and he is like melts with her like he will buy her anything if she asks him like not really but kinda yeah, she wanted anything that badly I guarantee you she could probably get it from him. Yeah. I said to her I'll tell you what remember that little tree I had in my studio the miniature tree I said, why don't we put that up the fake one? Why don't we put that in your room and she was like, yeah, I'm gonna get a little personal private Christmas tree in her room. Yeah, which will be nice my kids still have their own in their room. Do they they're just like little mini ones, like don't really small it goes on like their desk or whatever. But yeah, and they every year they decorate it. I've seen agers, but they do it every year they put up their tree in their room. Yep. See, I'm just glad to hear that. They've continued the traditions because I don't know. I just don't want Liam to outgrow. I feel like he's gonna get cynical first. I think if you're okay, so I'm a huge Christmas nut. Like it's from the moment. I wake up in the morning starting in the second week of November to after Christmas. There's me Christmas music playing in my house. Like yeah that my kids wake up to Christmas music. You know what I mean? Like, it's a I'm just a Christmas night. We watch Christmas movies all the time. Non-stop, we do everything Christmas. Everything's Christmas cookie bake everything and they've never said I don't want to like they're just so used to it. Right like did you see how they enjoy it? So I think if you if you keep doing it, I think they just they carry it on and I'm glad they will so that's nice fan Traditions, man. Yep. Yep family traditions now, that's super awesome. I love it. So yeah. Thank you for hanging out with us this week on The Secret Life of weddings podcast and Rebecca. Anything Can Happen our weddings and we will be here to tell you all about it. Well, that's it for us this week on The Secret Life of weddings podcast. If you need more drama in your life go over to patreon.com slash secret life of weddings to sign up for additional weekly episodes. The first few episodes are free. So go check it out patreon.com secret life of weddings, and we will see you here next week.

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All right best our of their day is back Fern and I are on our road trip and we're here to discuss each box that we went to and we're going to take them in chronological order. It seems like it was many weeks or months ago, but it was in fact only yesterday that we were at CrossFit invoke. This is kind of like between two J's said of between two could be two ferns but you're not a fern if you want. I can be like Fern how do you manage to be so fit but so unathletic looking?It's a good question. I think it's just a nice view, you know the show it's a great shows that galvanic as hysterical. But let's let's break down the box. And what we want to do is give a little bit of a behind-the-scenes of maybe what we thought about the Box itself the presentation, you know, the coaching that went down the six criteria talk a little bit about the programming the work out. What was your first you know reaction. When we walked in across an invoke, well, my honestly, my first reaction is a little bit of empathy. So like a lot of and here's why right we've been to Five boxes in two days and at least four of them. There was somebody there either the coach or one of the athletes that I did their level one and I having an affiliate for 10 years. I know how nerve-wracking is that another coach come into your facility and you just feel judgment like we're not there to judge people obviously, but like we kind of we kind of are yeah, but but you know, you know what I mean? Like I've I have empathy for that like I get it that they might throw people off their game, so I'm not I'm not like casting full. Genomic this is how they normally act do they're you know, they're probably doing thank you know like the little to people do weird stuff when you're when they get nervous. I think that's a good point. And in fact and we're going to talk about each box that we've been to over the coming weeks. But really all of them have been quite welcoming and like you said really cast their ego aside because it would have been very easy, especially when we talk about invoke Ryan had no idea that we were coming. Yeah, you know, and we did a good job preparing. Selves we had a girl Sydney helping us get ready. She definitely did her due diligence. So clearly there was a miscommunication and and he was just like he rolled with it. He was cool. So the first thing was like he was super welcoming we came in which I think is always an indication of the gym in general, but the other thing I think he it didn't seem that he changed anything about the way that he would coach a class at least not from what I can tell and I've seen a lot of people coach classes, but once he started going then I think it was a little bit of He kind of got into his rhythm. So I thought it was good. So let's talk about each each class in each workout. So at CrossFit invoke and you might have to fill me in a little bit, but we'll talk about the warm up the workout itself. We had a front squat. Oh, yeah. We did our we worked up to a heavy set of 3 with 2 seconds pause pause at the bottom. And then we went into a metcon where they had a sport and a fitness option you did the sport which was it was a muscle. It was was a 12 minute. Salman and emerald mines there was a muscle-up Thruster row and mine was pull up Thruster row. And what changed was you did a barbell Thruster with 75, correct? I did a single dumbbell thrusters with 35. There was really no prescribed way. And then again when we talked a little bit about it on the show, but you did 24 calorie row while I did a 400-meter. Oh, do you really think there was any difference there? Know which which could I mean I depending how you look at it? Like I don't know if they intended there to be any difference. Like we like you were what you're basically a half around in front of me. Well, I'm going to even just on the row like what was the purpose of you doing 24 calories versus? Oh just the row probably not we'd have to probably the time that out but I think both of them are probably if you think about a 40 meter routes probably a minute 22 minute and a half depending on where you're at with the 20 and 124's, you know, most people like even if I going back to get 20 Calories in 50 seconds on the front end of that workout. So, you know, if you go to 24 or another yeah, maybe a little bit shorter depending where you're looking at but so obviously Ryan's not here to defend himself so we don't want to bash him. But let's let's give some feedback, you know, if people watched it, let's give some feedback some things. We like some things that we think he could have improved and I think overall like we've said he did a great job the great job. I mean the warm-up was the warmers fantastic. I was I was ready to squat when we got to the barbell. Absolutely. I mean, We got in on Sunday. That was the first class. We took it was 9:00 a.m. You know, we're sleeping at an Airbnb Nate Airbnb and while very welcoming. No, it's not your own bed. We didn't get a great night sleep. We were up late and you're like, okay. I got a not only wake up, but I got to get below parallel on a heavy set of three and I think he did a phenomenal job getting us warm. Like you said by the time we got there. I was like, I'm ready to squat. Yeah. It's been cool for me. I always find it the thing that I take away from most gyms now is I'm always trying to steal things from warm-ups because warm-ups is one of the big things from a coach that this monotony sets in really quickly and it's I find it hard to continuously be creative for warm-ups you feel like there's only so many things you can do forms, but in five gems, I've probably stolen no less than five things that I like just different movements and different types of warm-ups to add into my warm up repertoire. So like so that's one thing you might have grabbed from Ryan. I think there was a couple of the floor movement. I don't remember what they were I wrote I'm down if you go back and look at them, but like there's there's something in every warm up that we've done so far and I was like, I'm gonna I'm gonna steal that I like the fact that he let it mmm. He was involved. It could have been very easy. Hey, let's write it on the board and go but he was involved. He was talking to the people and then by the time we got to the front squats, like we said, we're pretty warmed up and he's stuck with us. I think if anything he probably knows 9 a.m. Could have been a little bit louder. Yeah a little bit little bit louder but there Only eight of us, I think yes, so with a huge class and the space is an enormous. So I mean, I thought it was appropriate. The one thing. I think it has been a common Trend. So this is not just with invoker Ryan. I think all in all I think the classes ruin really well is is For the most part people are doing a pretty good job teaching but then when it comes to the coaching, I think you know and we'll talk a little bit about juice but I think there's been one where as the coaching aspect of it is like seeing in correcting movement, you know, putting people in better positions that is where like like a lot of coaches like that's not their bread and butter because they have it probably there haven't been coaching long enough for that. Well, not just that they haven't been coaching long enough long enough. They don't have the time. I mean the one other consistency This part time gig he's a pharmaceutical guy. Well, not a not just that yet, but you're right but almost every box we've been to has crammed as much as they could into an hour and that just doesn't lend itself to either teaching or correcting and I'm not sure but it like of the one that we have been two out of five. They did not do it would be the one that we said had the most coaching absolutely. So I don't know if that's coincidence, but my guess is not well then what comes first right so So what comes first do you get to be a better Coach? So you say hey, I want more opportunity in the class or do program first in such a way that allows it and become a better Coach. I mean, this is kind of a chicken in the egg chicken chicken, which is it the chicken or the egg. Let me know figure if we're talking about the how Evolution Works. What kind of religion was that over here Nathan there was an egg. There was an egg that probably had the chicken Nate Nate believes otherwise, yeah, I mean listen, who knows? I don't know they do you believe the chicken or the egg? See here we go. Take one teenage behind the scenes. All right, but knows a good class I and and given the amount of stuff that we did in the class. You know, we did that we did the heavy front squats. We did the warm-up. We did the 12-minute amrap and we did a little bit of a cool down at the end. I thought he did a very very good job at managing the time because on my end typically that feels rushed. None of that felt rushed to me. There was a there was a brief moment where I think he might have been felt time constrained when He was going through the muscle up in the pull up where it was probably maybe a little too brief, but I'm not going to fault him for that. I agree with you on that. I think that would have been the opportunity to teach correct and he in from what I remember was. Like, how about giving ten Kip swings? All right, hop up. Give me two reps of what you're going to do type of thing. Yeah where it could have been like. All right. Let's go over the kip swing Superdome Hollow, etcetera, you know, that could have been let me ask you this question. You complimented him on wearing a coaches sweatshirt, right? However And I don't want to make you know, if Ryan's watching this he had like sweats a sweatshirt and a wool hat on. Where is the balance of the professionalism of being a coach? I mean, it's not knocking it. It's got a beautiful and it's not a big box gym. And if you walk into my gym, like I'm going to be wearing a coach shirt and then we wearing sweatpants and depending on what it like we have heat in our gym, so I'm probably not wearing a beanie but they they had heat in there. But I mean like it wasn't super like it wasn't hot. So I mean It's a gym. So I'm if you're wearing a coach uniform if you will, I don't think you need to be wearing a polo. I'm far more concerned with how you conduct yourself as a professional because I think there's a lot of leeway with your attire in a CrossFit environment. It would almost look weird if I walked in a CrossFit gym and you were wearing a polo and slacks like I'd be like, well, this is not what I'm looking for. Do you think that's the direction it's going to go. I think there's I think there's a middle ground there. I think where you can look professional where you know, Not wearing I don't know what that is, but I think it's like nice coaches shirts and like things that you eventually what I think would be really nice as if all of your coaches are always wearing branded coaches shirts or branded a tire whether it's sweatpants or hats stuff like that where they step on the floor like everything that they wear represents your brand. I agree. I think going to the polo shirts, which I actually tried for a brief period of time and the coaches rebelled they hated it and you know, then I think what's nice is hey whether you work Cross it right for whatever boxer at as long as it's a shirt that has the logo doesn't have to say coach even better if it's an actual coaches shirt, but like anything I do I think I think it's some point like that needs to be mandatory. Maybe not for you personally at your box like today, but I think at some point if you're going to make that transition we're going to make this an Uber professional run facility. It needs to shave coach or staff or something on it so that when somebody walks in the door, they're easily identified and at The person who's walking your door who probably has anxiety has some direction about who to talk to you. Like you're clearly the person who I need to speak with or a person who works at this facility. So I think it does need to be some distinguishing Mark that says I work here and don't make your coaches pay for their coaches. No, no buy it for them. You know, some boxes do that. I can't will give you one but that could that's my balls week that falls in the same bucket of I'm going to make you Coach glasses to work off your membership. Like that's garbage. Don't do that. All right, so so Wrap up CrossFit invoke. Is there anything else you would say about it? And I thought it was a great class the cool down at the end was really good. There was a lot of banter there at the end, which I think is a nice and if you having that at the end was was a good Community piece that I was a big fan of like we were joking around that's where we learned quite a few things about the different members. We learn there was multiple students in there that there was a doctor in there. She's a pediatrician a couple moms for moms in there. So that is where you know in considering that we got all of that information. And but we didn't get in till the end but we got it is what is important and I think you know you and I enjoy that banter with strangers if you will, but that's something any coach should be doing if you don't know that man, we found that out on our first day and we would have went back the next day and said to Colleen, you know, how was this or to the doctor? How was your day? That's the kind of stuff you need to be doing if you want your members to stay forever. Yeah, well shoutout to CrossFit and Vogue shout out to Ryan. Thanks again for Having us and we look forward to going back. Yeah, and we appreciate you letting us drop into CrossFit in book. All right guys back best out of their day. We're on the boxed or doing a little bit of a recap between two J's between between two J's talking about so we already talked about CrossFit invoked. We're going to talk about CrossFit 12 state. So what was your first impression of that? Jim clean says, we're close my very first impression we pulled up. And it was like a standalone box. It reminded me of would probably like an old like Goodyear or auto-type. I would agree. It did have of that. I bet that's what it was. It had open windows in the front which was probably like the lobby where you go pee and maybe of tires and then the gyms aspects had lots of garage doors. So it makes sense like you can pull through the cars, but it was clean, you know everything and when we say was clean it was clean like that place is one of the cleanest Jim's of ever been to Yeah, they clearly whether it's themselves or pay someone. They keep every aspect of a cleaner cleaning service comes in five times a week. I asked him about it. Hey, you guys I was like, this place is clean. Yeah, and it was secondly super friendly. I think this day and age you're getting a lot of boxes. Then always have some sort of Ambassador or front desk person just saying hi and oftentimes it's the owner a coach, you know, someone that's coaching a later class. But if I would have walked in there as a new person Through the lobby and not saw someone it would have been very intimidating to have to go through the next door to get into the gym. Especially if class it started. Yes. So Hannah who is one of the owners her and her husband Cliff own the gym and she was sitting at the front desk. She immediately greeted both of us and obviously super welcoming, but that's an incredible first impression for any gym, and I know a lot of people struggle to wrap their head around having somebody who's there full-time admittedly like We're at 10 years and we just did that about seven months ago where I brought somebody and I have somebody in the facility who's there all day from start to finish no matter what day it is. And that's a lot and like it looking back on it. I think I would have tried to figure out how to make that happen much much sooner. Yeah, because whether it's that first welcoming face or if somebody walks in this is like the worst somebody walks in while the coaches coaching. You don't want to lose that potential member, but you're going to immediately be distracted. So maybe you either job that person's name down try to remember to call them later or you sacrifice your coaching of the class to sign them up. So maybe you're not there. You need to figure out a scenario to solve that problem. And so what we did at our gym before we had that what most gyms have a TV because they use water Phi or some other check-in platform that they do. So it's generally run off of a chrome box or an Asis or something like that. So, Just pull up a tab. And if you don't have a contact us landing page or form on your website, first of all fix that but basically we always have that page pulled up behind the wada fi screens. So it's just a quick click in the event that somebody walked in and like no other for staff happen to be there. We'll just grab that person and say Hey, listen, I can't I can't talk to you right now. I'm coaching a class. But what do you can do is fill this form out. It'll take 10 seconds. We'll call you back very very quickly and we'll answer all the And we can set up a time to come in for you to sit down. So if you don't have the ability to have a staff member take that role for you, there's still ways to be able to capture that information. So you can follow up with that person and bring them back in and have that discussion. So and then make sure you follow up with them quickly quickly like you need to call them or text them immediately upon getting that form. So outside of that what I thought was the gym was spacious and again, it was a lot going on in the hour. There was a In complex and then a clean and jerk Imam, correct? And then we also had the metcon at the end. So there was a lot of moving Parts going on in that one hour. So we did to clean complex. Well, they were they weren't separate they were in the same kind of oh, that's right. We alternated. Yeah, we alternated right so there was to clean different clean complexes in there. But in the same kind of piece of the workout and then we went to double under pull up snatch. Yeah, so Anything about that we're teaching you think you're teaching the clean you teach in the jerk. You're teaching Miss Nash double under and pull up all in the same workout. But like we talked about was there a lot of teaching I think there was a fair amount of teaching that I don't there, you know again like and this is common. So this is not us picking on any one particular coach like in general the coaching is what you see the least of yeah, what we've picked up so far in the tour is there's a lot of Shuttling From Evolution to Evolution but not so much what we've discussed that one workout a day and we're going to teach and coach you for 20 minutes before getting there. Now one thing with that we did point out yesterday that was done really well was the Staggering of the imams. So that way the coach can see half the group started the 0 the other half start 30 seconds in and just get more Eyes On Ya, so we had a roughly 10 people in our class. So what Kendall did Was she basically offset by I think 30 to 60 seconds? And that way she only had five athletes to look at every 30 to 60 seconds. And in that Imam, you have a little bit more out of time you interact there. So from a coaching standpoint that's really smart. And if you saw the class after ours, which I think was the 5:30, or maybe those the five it was significantly larger. So they probably had almost 20 people in that class. So she already having that plan in place had she coach the next class would have only had to look at 10. Vs. 20 because I don't care how good you are. That's tough. Yeah, and whether you have 10 or two you might as well do that because it gives you the opportunity to look at everybody. Yeah, right, even if you have two people I'm going to watch I get to watch every single set that you do from a group management standpoint. I thought that was very very well done II thought that was excellent. And I thought you know again it was a lot in one hour, but it never felt rushed and in both classes at invoke and then also at 12th state. About five minutes to stretch at the end. Yep, which is key because a I like to stretch a little bit and and I left feeling better than if it was like, all right, good job, especially that meant Khan heart rates up double-unders chest-to-bar and then just to kick us out. Yeah, and that's where I got to chat a little bit with Wanda and you know get to meet people, you know, and she had started a different gym and moved here about a year ago. She's been there for a year. But again, I think it's I think there's there should be some very intentional emphasis put on that cool down at the end to start building that camaraderie within that's how you have a community if you have an hour long and it's jam-packed and everybody just get shuttled through and there's no opportunity for people interact with each other. It's really hard to create relationships because in that class I don't I was joking with him afterwards they have what they call maroon Monday and which is re of them. Yeah, so it's just for the 330 class and it's like a secret group that they have and I know that what it was I did. Come on that there was a secret group the secret group that they started like a year ago. And and so I didn't realize until they said it when I was in a little locker and Mary afterwards and I realized that they were all wearing maroon and I was like, I was like, this is cool. This is really cool. And you know, if you're if you're coaching and you take your 1 hour timeline, I think it's basically this point mandatory five minutes in the front five minutes of the end whiteboard brief cooldown. You have 50 minutes 50 minute class. You need to accept that and that whiteboard. Oof is invaluable as is that cool down. I think one thing we should point out about 12 say that was really cool. After we got to hang out with Cliff who is the owner of the Box along with Hannah and he's a former Regional athlete and he now takes the five a.m. Class multiple times every week and while he's probably not quite as fit as he was when he was at the Regionals that he's still pretty fat. He's still very fit. But more importantly it's great for the community and it's great to see someone as fit as he is. Realize the importance of doing class. I think that unless you have a coach or a staff member who is legit a contender for a sanctioning spot that it should be mandatory that they work out in the classes. And if not, they should be doing the same programming. For instance. We I don't always work out the class I try to as often as possible. But if I'm not I'm doing that day's work out or one that we're trying to test in programming. I'm not doing something else. Yeah and I would even say even if you're a sanction of level athlete at this day and age are trying to crack the top 20 in the open. You could still do a metcon. Yes, like do your own additional stuff for then hop into a couple of met cons a week and what we have found mean after two days of training multiple times. We don't want to work out. But as soon as you get to class and you get that Vibe going in the community aspect, it's fun again, and I don't think we should overlook the fact that People want that inspiration again. If we're talking about educate Inspire entertained that inspiration is key and those good athletes are inspiring to those people who are just starting their Journey or who are just trying to get that muscle up or trying to snatch for the first time. Like they need to have that kind of carrot dangled out in front of them and those good athletes are that because that's the way it was back in the day everybody worked out together, and I think that's the way it should still be. That is CrossFit CrossFit. Well 12th state doing a great job with that. Thanks Hannah. Thanks Cliff for Thanks Kenneth for coaching. Any last minute. No, I thought it was a great you guys are doing whatever you guys are doing. Keep doing it. I was very impressed with the facility with the coaching staff again. I'm going to steal some things from your from your gym. Keep your box clean the third stop on day. One of our road trip was called Hayes Barton CrossFit. I think Hayes Barton is correct me for wrong mate, but like this area of town. Yes, it's in Five Points though. Correct? Yeah find it was like yeah, it was right on the corner of like five different areas or what like a big intersection of like fuck. Yeah, but it was really cool because it was like being like an old Main Street like every town has a Main Street. Yeah, and it was like going into Main Street and having like back in the day. It was probably like, you know, she told us it was a bar would not but I was like, I'll Barbershop or that and now it's a CrossFit box was pretty cool and Maybe you can't tell the size of the room that we're in right now, but the box was literally the size. It wasn't this it was double it was not much more than double. So I asked you said thousand ask Kat and I said I was swaggin and I said about a thousand it was probably closer to 8:00. I would say wondered I would tell you it was smaller because my first box was 800 a racquetball court and it was smaller than A-Rod not including the back space, but the usable floor space was probably 700 it was tight, but it was cool. It was a cool spot is storefront and like in historical area of Raleigh, so they probably get a lot of traffic going by and they're so it was it had a cool little vibe to it, even though you walk in and it's not it's nothing you look at and it's like it's you know this overwhelming box like, you know, one of these like going across where Reebok one or something like that where it's extravagant but it's like it had a really cool homey vibe to it, which is the same vibe that we got from all the people in the facility. Yeah, and as I saw in the video. I mean three kind of power racks and two bikes to rowers that was really all of the equipment on the floor. Yep, everything else. They had a little like closet area in the back and I think you can argue like was that if that were your space is that the equipment you would have had I mean you can be a little bit more creative these days because of some of the space-saving accoutrements that Rogue makes like maybe the foldable squat racks you can have in there to get a little bit of floor space back there. But or even half rig on the wall. Yeah coming off of the wall still get those Squad. I mean it's going to take about the same size. But this way you have a little more pull up bars shouldn't even think about that. So they probably had three pull-up bars. Yeah in the squat rack, which means you have to have some creative programming, which I think she did. Yesterday she did and we talked about that and I think I think she's going to be well served as she evolved because she's having to navigate those Waters now and she's not one of these people that opens with 4,000 square feet and has the luxury of being sloppy or you know overzealous with the programming and let's talk pros and cons and we don't want to you know, none of this is bashing every box has been welcoming. Every box has been fun, but I would say about Hayes Barton at least on that first day you really Felt the community Vibe they were it was awesome. She started off with a question of the day. I loved it and it was a tough question. It was a tough question was what's your what was it that she pleasure TV show, right? And yours was well, no, no his was no Liam has was Liam could love I yeah, mine was Impractical Jokers and I was working moms working moms. I don't know if that's a guilty pleasure thing. That's a pretty popular show. I mean I consider me wasting time watching Netflix a guilty pleasure. We've had cartoons on most of the time we've been here because it just makes me feel at home because I have two kids. So I thought I loved the question of the day. She was super friendly and then you know, let's talk a little bit about Rachel Rachel was one of her members came in clearly haven't had a bad day. So let's talk about the scenario. So she came in probably 25 minutes late. No, is she that late it was yeah because we because we were almost done with the squat portion. That yeah second time. We had to squat Yesterday by the way constantly varied people. Listen, we didn't die. It'll be vital. Yeah you but you're right. I know I mean, I knew she was late. I didn't think it was 25 minutes. But yeah in retrospect definitely for the most part would exceed the point where a lot of coaches would say, it's fine hop in but I think I think Kat made a good decision there. Well, she clearly had to think about a couple things. It was the last class of the day, right? The next class was a yoga class, which clearly maybe Rachel doesn't Not like and not necessarily what you was looking for in that moment. But yeah, it was just it wasn't even a debate. I've kind of saw it happen and I just immediately was like cool like I would have let her hop in as well. But I don't think a lot of coaches wouldn't and I think that's really what best our of their day is like. Hey, I realized obviously the best 30 minutes of her day at that point. Yeah, but I realized you know, you're paying member you're late. I'm not questioning why you're late, but welcome you shouldn't particularly. Is she was Adept enough to figure out that that racial needed that like she needed to be there and do something for the day. So that was a good decision from a coaching standpoint. And she was able to let her hop in for the last what was out of my 10-minute or it was like she wanted it to be 10 to 12 minutes or whatever the that little scrap piece was. It was at the end. No reason not to let her hop in and and then fairness it was a pretty basic workout that didn't require a ton of warming up jump squats sit up. Soooo, and then ground overhead with a plate which again not a lot of complex things going on and even if you didn't know warm up by the time you got to the weightlifting which was the playground over ready to go. You're pretty warmed up and I would tell everyone watching Rachel left in a better mood. I would agree mostly because of me. Yeah, because you stopped talking to her. No, I like to pick up I can tell when people are having a bad day as can you and it's like you just want to let them know whether it's vent. Give him a hug kind of like I tend to go with like hey, I'm going to be a nuisance to you, but it's distracting you from your bed day. It was borderline Newsome. That's probably being a little bit of a nuisance. So let's talk. Let's talk about the program. There's a lot going on in an hour. You're a lot and and again like There's some things she has to think about in her gym like you there. You just can't program. I like like you probably normally would in a traditional gym because it's not a traditional gym. It's very very small limited equipment again to rowers two bikes. So if and they kept their classes at 8 because of the space and I would tell you you're not putting a bar bells on the floor at Hayes Barton. Yeah, I would guess most workouts their turn into either partner or interval style. Yeah, some sort of station work because you're absolutely right. There's no way you're getting I'd say 6 would have been tight six would have been dangerous are valid especially depending on what the other movements are and then like point it out. There was only three spots for Pull-Ups. So that means and I think you can get people very fit that way personally. I love team workouts and I love interval workouts, you know, if we would have taken a workout even something simple like Grace 30 clean and jerks, you know that can either be two Heats it can be. Hey today's Grace's sets of five unbroken, but you're still going to get to 30. So I'm doing six sets of five or you can do Fran, but it's I go 21 you go. Anyone, you can you know, you can really do anything you want there, especially like you said she kept it at eight so she's aware of it. Yeah, but I thought the class was running. Well, she clearly cares about the community, you know, she covered with because there's only three squat racks. It's easy for her to get around and work with everybody said that is the plus of having a smaller Community a smaller gym. You can be a little bit more intimate with your coaching and I think the other the other positive to that is a little less drama and a little less like feeling like you always have something to do if you there's there's a pro if I were going to open another box, like maybe I would go small cap classes at 6:00 to 8:00, you know, you only have 50 or 60 members may be charged a little bit more but you know everyone you coach all the classes. So you're eliminating some overhead your, you know, eliminating some drama by having a limited number of people there's lots of things you can do and I think there's Nothing wrong with with running at that way. Yeah, and she seemed happy and she purchased the gym from a previous owner. So she's working through some of that and all of the the the learning curve that comes along with purchasing a business that you probably don't know much about as a lot of people do there just like I like CrossFit and I'm going to purchase this and all the sudden you're thrust into the world of business ownership, which has its ups and downs. So, yeah. I mean I've again a lot of empathy for what she's doing and of all the boxes we went to On day one of the trip. She had the best music she did I show a lot of like 80s 80s. I heard some obviously Bon Jovi we heard we heard a little see AC/DC. I think there's some Beastie Boys at one point to Journey. I'm pretty sure there was some white snake in all there was definitely Whitesnake Here I Go Again, so and you know what? I think you made a point yesterday in the in the video, you know, not everything might be in the video, but the ground overhead with the plate. Yeah, I mean just simple simple simple simple simple as all I would say. Yeah, and I mean I know that you know Jason khalipa of NC fit programs that all the time for their programming and by the way that got hard. Yeah, I was like, okay, I'll go 50. I'm broken and I got to like 25 and I was like, I need to put this down for a minute. Yeah, I think I did 25 and then I think it did 13 and 12. Yeah, it gets challenging especially you can cheat that movement and not open your hips because Is light but if you really emphasize squeezing your butt, it's weird to do it though. It's not even beneficial to not open your hips true. That's true like a kettlebell swing true. But I just I'd point is you can still coach the major points of performance of the clean, even though you're using the plate and then you're saving yourself a ton of space with the barbell. Yeah. I think the other thing that's cool about that. Is that like I think we all forget that it doesn't have to be B-Complex to be effective. Like if we think about the things that went down on that work out. So there was a weighted setup where we throw the medicine ball. First time I've ever done that by the way against the wall like that. I was like, yeah, I was afraid what kind of wall that was but so again not complex right right doesn't require a ton of like it. Let's say you're not a season coaching. You just worried about like coaching all of these things like these things don't require a ton of coaching. Yes, we can coach everything but we have to acknowledge some things require less coaching and others but basically a jump squat which I like that was the first time I had done that movement is also Did the ground overhead and then the other one they ever threw in the three minutes was the plate step UPS on the hands. So it's a static hold and a plank position where I'm just moving my hands from the floor onto a plate that's between my hands. So you're just kind of changing planes there with your hands, but a great way to start baby stepping people into things like maybe walking on their hands or just creating some shoulder stability and doing 20 reps of that also not easy and we've been doing this a long time and again, it doesn't have to be complex. To be effective. Like I was good after that workout. Like that was hard enough. I was I was set after whatever that was seven to nine minutes and then good news. You still got to do a minute of burpees after yep, which I pretty sure I beat you and even though you said you did 25 times until I have a shorter distance. I was definitely moving faster than you know, I've been moving faster, but I was moving less it doesn't matter science. Okay, maybe yeah, but I'd the big thing. I really dug about that. Jim was a unique space, you know, because has that like an old you know, Easy feel to it because it's in that in that historic district super super tight community and everybody there was really really easygoing like they were very welcoming to us. Like we did a ton of joking around before we did before the class even started. Well, I think that was one of the benefits we found from that small class meeting just number of people but then also like there's nowhere to hide if she said that to she brought that up. She said from a coaching standpoint from an interaction standpoint like you can't get away there, which is cool. That was probably the only box for we left knowing everyone's name and a little more about About everybody which I really like Duck is whose it Jonathan John? Yeah his last name finding his lost some of those good job, but you know, he was telling us before like you lost 40 some odd pounds and the past year or so so really cool. Thanks for having us at Hayes Barton and great music. There's a new order upon us. That was I don't know where to go with that. But yeah, I like it New Order CrossFit is one of the got it. Okay. Yeah, so we sort of going to be slightly more creative, but you should know better this point. We showed up a new order CrossFit and they were not expecting us they were not there was a little distant miscommunication there. However, and again it wasn't on our end Sydney shout out great job organizing the intro. Does it really matter that like she rolled with it? I was impressed panda panda. Panda was her name Peanut in Dutch. You not in Dutch. I was her real name Victoria. Oh man, like an elephant over. Here you go. I was highly impressed by her because I find most people but especially women getting thrust onto a camera. They're not happy about it. She didn't get faced. I felt for like a minute on the front end of that like when we walked in and we kind of introduce ourself. There was like about 60 to 90 seconds of uneasiness. And then I think she just was like, okay, everything will be fine. All right fair enough, but I mean not you know, a lot of women might have been like had got to put makeup on or I gotta I'm not wearing what I would want to wear. So I mean age she didn't care about that which is you know, really cool, but then also like we discussed about other boxes. She was about to get filmed coaching. Yeah, and she was just like yeah, I'm ready. So let's talk about a new order CrossFit man day two of our road trip. We both woke up this morning. Saur saur is an understatement feel like a train wreck. Yeah, like we have bits of rhabdo and different parts of our body like we're tired our body's tired. But you know, like we've said before we're sleeping in strange places. We're eating out of you know, Whole Foods mostly we Chicken and Waffles today cool gym, though. So it's in this shopping center like a nicer shopping center. But a massive amount of open window storefront super-bright. Why mean all like the entire gym is is floor-to-ceiling windows open to the to the public to look at. Yeah. Absolutely. I mean very welcoming and I think you know again, I think I've felt hinda was a great coach in the sense that immediately she connected like She was one of those people were you feel like have known this woman for a long time? Yeah. It was a joy for me to watch her scold you for an hour. She did you know, but it's important like she got my sense of humor. I got hers and we were good. She did the same to you, but let's talk a little bit about the class. You know, it was programmed to have 45 minutes of work, correct, correct, just in the in the programming itself. So not until talking about anything. And that one hour there was a 30-minute piece, which was the WOD which you could have finished it under 30, but it wasn't happening. I mean no one will finish that work out today. For three rounds probably I mean they listen, I mean, we're not the fittest people on Earth so it's it is doable but I would tell you is you really have to be pushing the pace to to finish three rounds in 30 minutes. I'll fit person can probably average under 10 minutes on those but they would be trucking to do that. Typically I look at that and if somebody who's pretty fit if you're off pace and round one, I typically don't feel the time. Domain is correct. Yeah, right, you know that you would have had to be like eight or nine minutes on that. First round to get to 9 or 10 minutes on round two and hang on to round 3, so it was a lot before that but I do want to so there was no barbell so we did have two pieces. So there's kind of the skill piece on the front end which is some wall walks and some ring Rose but there was no barbell which I was incredibly happy to see this morning. So it was it was just straight up mana structural and a little bit of gymnastics with a burpee box jump over and that's a staple at our gym and I believe they use comp train. Yeah. They said believe that's a been Bergeron stay. Able to which is at least once a week. No weightlifting well, and I thought I thought two things about that. I thought one if you are going to program so 45 minutes of the hour is moving. You're keeping it simple, right? Because the metcon had what biking rowing running and then Burpee box jump, so everything can be taught everything could be coached but you could even skip out if you really like you could not teach any of that. That's what I'm saying. I mean while you could I can It's doable not saying you should do on the bike alone as could you or throwing a running, but you also could get away with none. Correct? And then the wall walk and the Ring Road Wall again. Don't require a ton of teaching but they could you know, it's less likely someone's going to hurt themselves. It really becomes a you're either doing wall walks or here's your scaled option. That is typically what we would describe in our gym is like a moving day where this is kind of just a Mindless 30 minutes of just moving nothing requires an incredible amount of my attention. Mentally. I don't have to allocate a ton of concentration to anything. I just have to move continuously until this clock stops, but owing, you know, the other thing I want to do. Praise about that was I think more boxes can learn from that and that you don't necessarily need to do weight lifting or a barbell to get stronger and fitter mean we did 30 wall walks by the end that's going to leave us hurting tomorrow. So we had 15 minutes to do 30 wall walks and then 40 ring rose with a two second pause. Neither one of us finished in the in the 15 minutes. I think we both got 20 of the Ring row of the Ring Rose. Yeah. I got this. But the third 30 walks is a lot if that would have been the whole thing. That would have been fine. Not just the work of it. I mean 15 minutes try to get 30 wall walks. Yeah, I would have been totally fine with it. I mean, yeah, we can debate if that was the best programming for that 15. What's good programming again? It's like how do we facilitate it all those things like and it's very because I've never done 30 consecutive. Well, I don't think I have either actually sewing Is it a bad thing? No, it was the most ideal way to maximize intensity or or finish that work out because if it was 30 and 40 break up as needed, we both would have finished In fairness. I don't think that was a workout. I think that was intended justjust to be some kind of like kind of accessory work maybe but on the front end would typically would put people would put stuff like that on the back end to try to start developing some skills or some strength in positions that they don't have. So again, we don't have like the little ball behind like what the method is buying their programming so I don't it's not fair to to judge anybody on one day of programming. So it was just it was hard. That's all I'll say like it was hard 30 walks into 40 ring rows with two minute pause in the pull portion at the top not the bottom is hard and then we went from there into the metcon. Yeah, and one thing I took from today and you I think you and I discussed it after his That's why you join a box because neither one of us wanted to work out today. We certainly didn't want to do either of those two pieces of the workout. But I think you would agree both of us about round 2 of that metcon actually started to feel good. I felt much better and I full disclosure. I begrudgingly did those 30 wall walks like at no point did I want to do even one of them right? But even then you get moving it's fun banter amongst. You know, that was a great workout where no one's going crazy the clocks running but no one's trying to win. So you are talking you're talking to you know, your neighbor were talking to each other the coach is coming around and there's nothing wrong with that but then you know the 30 minute. Peace by the end I felt good about that and I think it's one of those time domains that you typically don't see in a lot of gyms these days because they're doing multiple parts and I think that's a I think that's a little bit of a mistake, please think about a lot of the things that your members are doing outside of the gym. People are doing Tough Mudders or you know, the Spartan Race is or any number of things better. I marathons or just any number of things that are going to exceed 15 minutes. So we never kind of touch those time demands were probably doing a little bit of a disservice so, I always kind of smile inside when I see a gym programming something that falls on the longer end on programming and what's Pat Sherwood quote live your life in couples in triplets going to be once a week go long occasionally and I think a lot of boxes are on that like go heavy more often and don't go long correct and it's I don't want to go long. But I've I think there's certainly a lot of positives to that and one thing we didn't talk about though was how much equipment they had to allow. Us to be able to do that because everyone had their own bike and Rowan and there's probably eight people in the closet is about 80 and I'm sure they have busier classes are true, but they probably had one good 10. I was maybe trying to beach. Yeah, I think they had more rowers and bikes but still a good amount. So, you know one thing you could have done if that were too busy as maybe half the class starts on the row half of last night's of your bike or start them at different points. Yeah. It just have them flow through the workout the same order but having somebody started a Right because by the time they get off the market by killer the next person's running so you had lots of different options there. But again, I thought it was a extremely fun class for what it was and I think you know that comes down to the presence in that attitude of a coach your while. There wasn't a ton of coaching per se she cannot engage in and that's it this hot one and I don't even fault her for that because that is a typical workout where even I can find myself sometimes struggling to coach mid-workout in workouts like that because they're not There's nothing complex going on again. It's like hot like how much do we want to dig in on somebody's posture on the rowing probably a lot. But it sometimes you can just tell they're that person doesn't want to talk to them because this there in minute 27 of a 30-minute amrap and they're just kind of like, yeah and why shouldn't correct the movement per se she was a very good cheerleader and that was a good day to be a cheerleader. Yeah, because that's a mental grind day. Yeah, every time I went out the door for the run it was, you know, good job or when I would come back. You get right to the boxes even during the wall walks like she was you know busting balls a little bit. But in a fun way that kept me actually wanting to do it. So I had a good time today in that and it was a you know, a well-executed hour. She went a couple minutes over but 45 minutes of work that's hard not to do. Yeah, and you know and I will say In fairness we didn't help. You didn't help I didn't tell Joe. I'm compliant you're not but fun class and I thought I thought it was really obvious of why people should join a box, you know, you try to work out in your garage. You try to work out in a global Jim. Cool. Maybe you've got some, you know, accountability. You got a buddy, but going to the Box gets you to work out later all these, you know, we could talk a little bit about it. They have a second box that has an Opex. And we didn't really get too deep into it. But I would imagine they're CrossFit has more successful great programming is important, you know, if you want to make it to the next level you need good programming maybe you need individualized but it's only good if you actually do it and so many people get individualized programming that they half-ass or skip or skip pieces of it because they're not working out with their buddy. Well, so think there's there's a conversation to be had. Okay. So programming is great. But what are we doing to coach those athletes meaning? Like how am I coaching them into better positions over time? Is there a plan to fix their their squat posture or their overhead position that those are the things that really matter? Like I can dose you up with, you know with good programming and air quotes if as long as I want to but it's some point if we're not getting better positions if we're not working on things like pacing and we're not working on high skill move. It's and developing capacity and high skill movements or more load and Simply Having a program doesn't allow an athlete to do that. Like I can give you a bunch of spreadsheets and that's not going to make you a better athlete. I need to be involved in the development in in that person as an athlete. So yeah great programming is good. But again Pat Barber, so I said this many many times. He's like listen. Oh great programming can't is not a whole. It doesn't have a whole lot of worth with a coach who can facilitate it, you know, but I can take a great coach give um shitty programming and they're going to make it very very effective. Yeah, and not to bash that guy there was a guy there training on his own and I mean he was doing some moderate way deadlifts and I was watching he didn't stand up all the way once You know and maybe that was in the program. I don't know. I don't think the programming called freely no partial range of motion Dead Leaves you no, no and I again not bashing because he was fitter than I am to do with it. He's real cranking but that's a great example of you know, you're working on your own. He wasn't trying to cheat. He wasn't trying to short the range of motion. But if no one's there to say hey these your but stand up get your shoulders back might not happen. Then you go to a competition or life demands you to stand all the way up and all of a sudden you can. I'm good. He'll be able to stand up. Yeah, but you get the point. Anyway, thanks new order your hospital. I was going to a new world order. I do world, but thanks New Order Crossing for having us. We appreciate your Pinda. Sorry if for distracted you. Box number 5 on the first the inaugural Road Trip the inaugural roots. Are we going to do this again once a quarter once a quarter putting it out on the internet. So now it has to happen. All right, where we going to actually if you're watching this tell us where we should go. Don't just tell us to come to your box. Yeah, it needs to be somewhere where there's a high concentration of gym so that we can do something like what we're doing in Raleigh, which is getting to 10 maybe 11 gems and four days. Yeah a lot of training but more importantly, you know, A central believe a hub here at the head house throat highly recommend this Airbnb check them out. I'm gonna give them three stars as of now only only because it wouldn't cook his breakfast. It was no breakfast included. But anyway today on our second box. We went to CrossFit TG, which is trained to Go train to go. Yeah. I saw it on the wall there. Yeah, they had trust the process also and I was like TT. TP knows and mistakes are the biggest failure but I was not pumped to see the work out just because I'm feeling like a bag of hammered dog crap. But yeah, I was up there was a snatch complex. However, so that is my that's I didn't want to see that work out now because I don't think it was a good workout because of how I feel I was happy to see just a heavy lifting day. Yeah. And again, we've said this numerous times. We're not knocking we're not praising. Everybody has been super welcoming. We're grateful. Reprogramming juice. Yes juice. Listen not well those juicy wasn't Jewish. I don't think you know, you're goig, he's juice. He's juice. Yeah, that was his name juice. Yeah, that's not that was a nickname. I'm pretty sure it's a nickname. You can't name somebody juice so you could I'm just saying we went to pin down this morning, but that's her nickname. All right. Anyway juice was he was great. First of all crazy straw. He hit us math complex at 280 something juice falls in the not weak bucket. Yeah. He snatched 282 for a complex is snatch into an overhead Squat and he did 275 for three or I think he did something close to 275 for three positions natch. Yeah, I did. 115 you're weak now 125, but let's talk about it. The programming itself first box that we went to follow wasn't a classic heavy day. You know, there was really two different imams happening. It was similar movement. So he was able to it was the first box we went to whether it was actually teaching that happened right beforehand with the PVC and not the first box, but probably the one that spent the most time with it and really walked around giving some What were some of the best things you saw from? That was the thing that jumped out to me immediately was as you know, you weren't happy about going below parallel immediately, but you move like trash so so we can talk about that juice kind of said, hey, welcome to class. Grab some PVC we're going to do a snatch go and I was like to do something but in his defense you're doing the PVC pipe and and to some degree like there is there's large argument that like that's not necessarily wrong. Like if you should be able to do the PVC pipe any you smell to get up out of bed in the middle of the Night and snatch people. Yeah, what makes it hurt as if that's your fifth training session in two days. And then your body hurts. So know what I was super pumped because anytime somebody breaks out pbc's I get a little intrigued. How are we going to do this? And then he was what I thought he did really well again group management. He called all the Reps. He was holding people in positions. He was making Corrections on athletes and I thought it was really really I was I was pumped as a coach who coaches coaches to see that. And I don't think he did that because we were there because I don't think he knows who we are. No, I don't think we should have I think he was a super cool and in addition to that once we actually started he walked around to every athlete including you and me gave us coaching. Yep, and like held me to it like some of the coaching he was giving me on the Hang was that I was bringing the bar too low and it's like who cares but he was like no no hold there and go. And then he followed up with me on multiple reps and I appreciate it. Actually, you know, we we talk about it in the actual episode but it made me drop the weight and really focus on my form and technique which I would not have done had he not done that. Yeah, he came he came and around and correcting me on a couple of things we talked about like he kind of addressed. My mind said he could see I was like not really happy about what was going on because I was just feeling like crap and not and not moving really well and we talked about that briefly and it was just it was refreshing. Going to see that that he was in tune with where I was at and I didn't get a chance to talk to him because he coached the class immediately after that one, but I did want to find out what his background was because I have sneaking suspicion that it was Athletics of some sort because he just looks like a brick shithouse like I mean, he's he's a he's a stout man. Yeah a very strong looking individual and I think other things that he did well was there clearly different skill levels, you know, we might have had the most skill, even if we weren't moving the most weight in that class, but there was like kind of middle-of-the-road people like Justin you were talking to was taken as level 1 and level 2. Yep. And then there was also some women, you know, moving very light loads and new to it. Yeah. So Meredith who was right behind me. She had come from like a traditional bodybuilding or she was she was comfortable with the basic compound lifts squat pulling pressing, but she admitted to me that she was very uncomfortable at the Olympic lifts, and I don't think she expected. It anything that looked like maybe 55 pounds and I that would have probably been on the high end and I thought juice did a good job because he addressed this during the brief which was if if you don't feel comfortable those movements then maybe we just do a couple more reps and keep the weights light. And again, I also think that's the mark of a good coach kind of giving those people and out who are not comfortable with so they don't feel compelled to put more weight on the bar than they should move like trash and then this is where Are all of the bad things about CrossFit start to come up, you know, well and something we didn't address is, you know yesterday especially many of the boxes had different tracks and today would have been an easy day to be like, all right sport you're doing snatches Fitness your rowing right or whatever the case is and if that wasn't the option it was hey, you're doing snatches. You might do more reps per Imam since it's going to be a little easier for you, but you're still snatching. Yeah, and this goes back to what we did our Cast on the snatch and everybody can and should snatch. It doesn't mean you should snatch heavy load. It doesn't even necessarily mean you should snatch below parallel and go into a full snatch. You should be able to do something that resembles a snatch it so that we can talk about what kind of coordination what kind of accuracy do you have? Like what kind of positions do you can you get into and again we can do that with a PVC pipe and I thought he had a really wide variety of athletes in that class. I mean it was everything from like literally training bars to you know in the probably like mid, huh? Druids in there for a complexes. So I mean that's that's good stuff. Like I would that's the things that you really should see and should be doing in a CrossFit gym and diff because if people can't do that, then we're robbing them of development without getting a broader brush overview of his programming. I like that. He had the heavy day and then he still finished with a little bit of you know, skills / old you refer to that as brushes more just like a grunt work almost. Just like good old fashion accessory work. So we were just doing front rack holds with kettlebells and like I really dig that stuff because because a what end what people end up doing was which is exactly what we ended up doing which was doing a lot of bullshitting during that time with all other people. We paired up we were pairing up and going back and forth. So what they what they had program at the end kind of a cash out was four rounds of one minute on one minute off front rack holds with kettlebells hold the heaviest that you can hold so it's easy to partner up or get into a group of three or four or even six if you wanted to and just kind of round robin something like that. And so we're working on midline stabilization while getting to interact with people and do and that's where we had a lot of interaction with juice to just kind of joking around and he was like correcting me on my crappy leaning back position because I overshot the weight on the on the static hold. Yeah, and while he was kind of like busting our balls a little bit he was coaching like yeah, you went down and wait because he Basically told you you were doing it wrong again. That's the more that's a very subtle skill set which is like I'm going to I'm going to rip you a little bit to you for so you to get into it better position and I thought he did a good balance. I mean I would argue. Hey that could have been a little better organized but it is one of those things where does he need to because it need to be right where that you can let that kind of run amok and you can let that be what the members own and they do that on their own because he also said it wasn't mandatory like you can do this. He started to clock and he said start whenever you want to Which is what we do something very similar with the accessory work at our gym, which is do some of it do all of it. Do none of it. I don't particularly care it's there for you. Yeah, and then especially when you're going to coach back-to-back classes, like he finished working out coached was going into a second class and he was throwing a little bit of food down and yep, and that's a good opportunity where it's like he's able to chill and it's just a Vibe you create. Yeah, right, like he was clearly on for the snatches and and that was you know lower. Girl, you're just holding some weights. He can have his you know, pineapple or whatever. He was eating their things and fruit while I'm going to coach these that he was going to coach three back-to-back losses. That's a lot. That's a lot. That's a lot of keep that in mind if you own a box or your coach. It's probably one too many we've talked about that before. I mean if it's your job, I think it's I think you should be able to coach three back-to-back classes. I think you can coach five glasses in a day very easily if there's a break if there's a bright. Yeah Dave is a break 3 is kind of that upper limit. But I think I think juice did a great job with us great great space. Yes, super wide open really really wide open and again storefront and what I thought was really good and this is kind of a branding and messaging thing. I don't know if you notice but so they have their big letters on the front which is probably mandated by the shopping center. But then in they have a kind of like those High windows that are like so they have the brick from they have brick from probably from the floor to probably like six to seven feet and they have like Windows just above That and each one of those that he basically had the services listed. So if those people that are like hey, what is CrossFit and then it says group classes personal training yoga and nutrition. It's very clear what they offer there. So if there's you if you have the ability to do that in your gym and just say this is what we offer I don't you automatically answered many of the questions that I have about what's going on in that facility. What did you think about the fact that he had his phone number on the door? Because I assume that was a cell phone. I don't know. I think you should have a phone number lifted listed somewhere. Well, he had him and Scott I think was their co-owners are co-owners and they had both of their numbers on the door. Would you put your phone number out on the door? I only just recently stopped giving my phone number out. So member comes up to you and wants your phone number. What do you say I give them the gym phone number because that that that line if they leave a message and the gym on the germline. I get a notification with the voicemail to my email. What do you use for that Google Voice? That's just cocks. We use Cox cable for that. Then I use a text app zip. Whip which is if they can text that line and that line goes to the app on my phone. So I'm regularly having text conversations with members. From my phone that is not my cell phone number, but man, it's all the same thing, but I just thought it was cool. But a little scary not scary for like juice or for the members but more so just yeah, nobody's gonna scare juice we get the more so just like here's my phone number out there. I think it's cool though, because like we said if I were new showed up in the door was locked and saw that I was like, okay cool. I have somebody to call Ivan number probably text. Everyone's going to text this day and age and should have that. I think I think is a new gym owner most people Probably give their cell number. But at some point you have to make that break where you have to create boundaries. You can't text me at 9 p.m. At night when I'm with my kids eating dinner or like trying to put them to bed or something like that. So I think at some point have to make that transition but all in all I thought it was a great box. I thought juice had some really really good coaching going on in there and clearly they have a strong community. So like I was I just didn't want to do that workout. But you know again, I'm glad we did. Yeah, another example of the last thing I want to do is snatch but actually is feeling better. Yeah. Thanks juice. Appreciate it, bro. Thanks for listening to best our of their day. If you haven't heard about anchor it's the easiest way to make a podcast. Let me explain. First of all, it's free. How cool is that? There's a creation tool that allows you to record and edit your podcast right from your phone or computer. So it becomes super simple some of these episodes with Fern or Todd or myself chatting with one another we've done right within the app itself. 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All right, Adam. When did you and I meet with it was a CrossFit a Miami at your level to correct. It was that was what was that about a month ago now ready? Yeah, probably a little bit longer. But but but the little while ago I assume since I haven't heard from you passed the test. I did I did I was it was questionable because first time I took my level two there was no test and so definitely a little bit more than I expected. But yeah, it was good. Good learning experience overall as always. Adam was the guy at the seminar that was asking a lot of questions, but what I enjoyed about you was It was clearly coming from a good place. You know what I think friend and I talked about it a lot other guess I've had on the show you can get away with a lot if you're coming from a good place of you know, whether it's understanding or just want to learn more or just curiosity and it was very clear that that's what you were doing. Yeah, the way I look at it is the day you think that you're an expert is the day you stop succeeding. So I was like to surround myself and talk with people that know more than me, right? I think that's what every on Tripping or tries to do its kind of surround themselves with people who are better than they are every good entrepreneur every good one. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, there's some bad ones out there that think they know everything but the reason I'm having you on his for exactly that reason you really struck me struck me as someone that was doing some good things not just as a box owner but specifically from a business perspective. That's what impressed me. I think we're sitting there. At the end of that first day and we were just talking about contracts and we were talking about all sorts of really new on see things that you were crushing at your box. So tell him to give give the listeners a little bit of you know, the ups and downs of Crossfit North North Port where you are as far as you know as much as you're willing to disclose financially but membership that kind of stuff just so they have an understanding of your background, right? Absolutely. So I have a background In business, I have a master's of business business and administration. I kind of finished that before I die drove into the CrossFit life owning a box doing that type of thing. I interned with a bunch of different boxes and Coach that a much different boxes just to kind of get a taste of things that I liked and that I didn't like and things that I'm able to improve on right that was a big thing for me. I wanted to create a better product. I think that's why all gym owners kind of set out and open their own gym is because they think they can do something better. Right and that's why I'm Businesses exist they want to be the best or they, you know want to be better than that other competitors out there. So I've been in business now for about six years like any gym or any business we have ups and downs for sure. I think a big component of maintaining a positive trend is going to be social media but based posts and good advertising and that type of thing but the biggest thing is is, you know, we have fluctuations just like anybody else so I would say right now we're sitting at around a hundred members. We're in a very small area. So it's not like we have a huge demographic info from I know Naples is a little bit larger than we are. I know you're up that way and demographic wise just household income is much higher than we are. So we're kind of like the person that Jim that stands out the most just because we are the most expensive in town and we do have a contract which is rare in our area so well, let me ask you what is your butt is your membership. So for an unlimited options, so for 12 months, we're at a hundred and seventy dollars a month. And what's the going rate? You're kind of on the outskirts of Orlando? No. No, we're down south from you ours. I'm sorry up north from you a little bit up North. So you're familiar with Sarasota. Yes, right. Yeah, so we're right. We're probably 15 20 minutes south of Sarasota. Okay, so you're not too far from me. That's right. Now we're close. You know someone 175 is that what did would you say the average rate in your area is man I've seen and I know I just met with a box owner up your way a couple weeks ago. I've seen from 145 a month no contract unlimited to 135 a month unlimited no contract and I think the guy that I met with from your way. I think who's buddies with the owner of I believe your old Jim. I think the he said he was at 150 and that Blew my mind because ten years ago when I got into CrossFit and I was I started at and you'll know this one. I started at CrossFit Estero. Oh you were down here you are you live down there? Okay. I didn't realize that. Yes. I know a lot of guys in your area that we I think we mutually mutually I have friends with so anyway, yeah, I started there and they were charging a hundred and fifty almost ten years ago, right? So it blows my mind the price is that I see at our local level because there's you know costs have only gone up they haven't gone down especially as the economy is getting better. Everything is getting more expensive. So I think it's interesting the approach that people are taking with this because this is more of a individualized service, right and that's kind of you know, you know that I'm buddies with Stu. And that's kind of what we discuss is this is more of a personal based membership. And so as prices go up your prices should reflect that or you're just devaluing your service. I sold my first affiliate in 2014 and our monthly rate was 180. Done. Oh, wow. So yeah, you're absolutely right about that. But but but talk to the listeners, you know, if a box under is listening, first of all, I want to say a hundred members is still very very good. I know a lot of boxes are like like we hear of the ones with 500 were here at that goes to the outliers. I always tell a box owner if you get to a hundred members, you're like, it's like you're the one percent right? At least. Let's do it starting to run. Just do it. I talked a lot about that right because you know, Jason khalipa is model is a hundred members per thousand square feet. That is a lot of members and maybe in a major city. But yeah, I would say that that's tough to accomplish those higher higher numbers and you could do like stupid box math of like a hundred members times this but but really if you have a hundred members and and you're running your business smart, you can make a good living, you know, you've provided yourself and hopefully one or two other people, you know, Solid career there. What was your process to come up with at 170? Yeah, that's a good question. That's that's one that everybody has I think you know when I started off it was much like a lot of box owners, right? I kind of didn't pay attention to the business knowledge that I had I kind of looked at the surrounding Market rates and I knew I wanted to be higher I will never be the cheapest gym in town and that's that's for sure always be the most expensive but I started kind of at that that Baseline at the I'm so when I started I don't I don't know if how much you remember. I'm sure you do was back in let's say we opened in 2013 and the economy was still rocky. It was just starting to come out of that recession that we had. And so I kind of just wanted to play it safe. And then from there I just went up five dollars a year and it will increase is to kind of get where we're at today. And that's the problem that a lot of gym owners have is not doing annual increases because they're afraid of how their members are going to take it. But if you do in small steps, it's no more than a cup of coffee. A day or a week rather. Well now they have month really right if it's me five dollars a month. So one thing I don't want to brush over is how important is your MBA in your success as a box owner. That's a tough question, right? Because I don't think everyone has to get an education to be good at business and we've seen that time and time again with some major major CEO's that are uneducated, but for me personally, it's been everything for me because it allows me to think. Think critically on how I'm operating my business and kind of strategize and forecasts my sales in my marketing, right and you know, it's weeks it wakes you up to the fact that this is this is a relationship business, but we can't forget. It's a business right? And that's what a lot of box owners forget that we're running a business and without the finances this business won't be around. Yeah, as you were saying that it kind of made me think it almost helps you remove Of that personal stuff out of it and look at it as a business where I didn't have an MBA and it was really very emotionally charged. All of my decisions were not so much. I should look at it as how do I run this business? I think in an ideal world most box owners would have some sort of business background, but that's not always the case and you can you could certainly learn as you go with, you know things such as this episode, right? So and there's absolutely there's so many tools out there so much free content that you know, not being educated can assist you with the that's the Facebook for my mean that can be a dangerous place. I see you posting in there from time to time, you know, but it can be a dangerous place because you have a lot of people just kind of inputting their their their thoughts, you know without having any background to do it, but there's tons of good podcasts like this one providing tons and tons of value out there for free and mean this and It was great. And I mean all the people out there are putting stuff out, you know, and like you're saying be careful who you're listening to I think it's always it's like anything the reason still was good is because he's done it right, you know, there's a lot of be your good because you've done it like you don't have to be we know we talked about it on a recent episode. You have to be the best athlete to be the best coach, but it helps if you understand what it's like to play the game, that's right. So Let's let's talk about these rate increases. You do five dollars a month, you know you increase your monthly rate by five dollars every year. No regardless of anything for the most part. This is the first year that we didn't do a price trays which is unique because we just purchased our building in November. We typically do a price raise in January of every year. What is my logic behind not raising my prices? You know, I don't have a lot of logic behind it. It just didn't feel right if that makes sense. It's already got my gut just told me so in business there's something called market equilibrium. And I don't know if you're familiar with it. So our get bigger. I figured it out with the two words yourself. I give me you gotta get it from the sounds like you kind of put yourself where you needed to be and if you go too far, you're gonna skew that balance if you will, that's right. So the market in the market aspect, there's only so much that The consumers willing to spend before it starts to have a negative effect overall on the business now. I don't think I'm there yet. And I don't think I'm anywhere close to it. But you know, we made a lot of changes a lot of changes all at once so I didn't want to say oh here we just opened a brand-new facility for you guys after years and years of support and now we're going to up you again, so I don't know it just didn't feel right for the price raise now that we will be doing a price raise again next year in January. So it will only be five dollars that was talking about 10, so you To go on just a set dollar amount versus a percentage, you know similar to you know, just Cost of Living. Yeah, it's you know, I just want it to be small enough where you know, it doesn't hurt people but it brings some extra Revenue to the gym. So one thing that's too kind of woke me up too and you're going to hear me probably mention his name a lot because he woke me up to a lot of things and I think it's a lot of difficult changes that box owners are afraid to make one of those is grandfathering right? I think I was very good. Guilty of that. Yes, you go on and I think we all are right again that goes back to the relationship kind of aspect of it, but not only that it's historical right so gyms have been doing that since the beginning of time and you know, it's a mistake. It's a mistake that has just continued almost gym over after gym owner and needs to stop right because as he encountered me improves or if it doesn't improve right those rates are going to change and we need to be aware of that and just because you're loyal to a product doesn't mean that you should Have that additional price increase right? It's that's a big thing like your cell phone bill is going to go up from once a month right cable. It's going to change after that year contract or however long period you sign is going to change based off the economy. And I think that's a big thing. We need to pay attention to is that so we stopped grandfathering in all together and we do minimal price increases based off of our membership size. $5 is really enough to kind of just help bring in some extra cash flow just to put towards equipment and No other investments into the gym. So yeah, let me take a second and talk about grandfathering. We when I open I believe our opening rates were eighty dollars a month in 2007, which is about two Thousand Eleven or twelve are Ray was about 150 and I had a coaching staff and they were still grandfathered in and part of it was talking with Chris Cooper at the time and part of it was my coach Kevin. He's like I need to make more and I was like heaven look here the numbers. And it was his idea and I was like, alright, you make it happen Kevin. Like he was my full-time guy. We became good friends. He made it happen. And you know, we didn't I tell the story we didn't lose anybody. This is substantial increase but it was it was needed to keep the business afloat. Right? And that was a tough time for you, especially because that was back in the day one when you mentioned CrossFit you almost didn't want to talk about it because it was so hard to explain to somebody, you know, a lot of people didn't know what it was and today obviously do to the games and you know, just how big it's gotten that that kind of factors gone. So it's much easier for Jim's now or even a couple of years ago versus when you started so well and it's understood what small group training cost is I remember $80. I was embarrassed to tell people of the prices like this is so much I understand and they were but when you come three four times a week to class of eight it was priceless. Absolutely a couple things I want to talk. We have video specific topics. We're going to talk about are your contracts but you every time you say something. I'm like Willie. I want to hear you own your building. That's right. So that's unique in this world it is you know, and again not to keep referencing stew, but he's helped me out a lot. So he kind of gave me the motivation to kind of go out and do it, right. So something unique with me and a lot of gym owners aren't going to want to live my life. Right. I am pretty much I have one additional coach. My wife said coaches. Well, she coaches very little we have three kids. Right? So we have we can dive into that may not work for my wife's. I mean, that's what go on. Yeah, right. So the point is I only have one additional coach and why is that every dollar that I earn I want to continue to reinvest into my facility and there's a lot of people that you know, it's do and I kind of talked about this in our last conversation. Was that a lot of the heat you don't own a business? Honest until you can step away which I don't necessarily agree with that. Right? He says you have a job and it is a job. But I'm at the end of the day when you own your assets and you continue to invest in those assets. That's yours. Right and nobody can take that away from you. So I'd rather work myself a lot of classes teach all the classes if I have to and then continually reinvest because it's just better for my clients. It's a better experience and that's what we're all about doing here is creating a great customer experience. Was isn't that the McDonald's model as well, right? They just have a lot more money than we do. Yeah, I mean but one day you'll get there and it's like owning your own home to you don't mind fixing the walls putting in a new door the garden because you know, you're investing in something that one day you'll sell regardless of what happens to CrossFit Northport. You have an appreciating asset now, that's right. Yeah and not to talk good. Sorry. Now the other thing I was going to say just looking at you you've professionalized it as well. It appears like you're dressed up to coach. Yeah, and you mentioned that I remember we were at the seminar that weekend. Yeah, he admitted you had your boobs. Yeah. I came in with a little lemon Lululemon Polo and we have everything embroidered in with our logo and all of our coaches wear polos. Now, there are some days Granite that you know, somebody didn't do their laundry and they miss a shirt or whatever that happens. But always are CrossFit attire always cross your Northport attire because it's a business. It's a brand if you go You in LA Fitness, you're going to see something LA Fitness related on that staff guaranteed. You mentioned coaches is your wife the only coach or she the only paid coach. No. No, she's actually she only comes in kind of when I need her. I have one other coach that's part time. He's kind of like my savior when I need you to know if you will so he works. Let's see one class a week and then he takes our 5 a.m. Fundamentals training sessions. So he's not working full time right now. I'd like to get him to that eventually. I'm not sure if she wants to get to that point, but that would be the end goal. So I don't have a lot of Staff but it comes down to the quality of my coaching as well. Like if somebody can't produce a quality product. I'm not going to put them out there and I feel like a lot of gyms do that. They're not as focused on the quality of their coaching her coaches and would rather just throw somebody out there so they don't have to coach a class and I'm not a big believer in that hundred percent. I mean how many how many hours do you coach a day? A week. Do you really want to know that so I start I start at 5 a.m. So we do personal training first. That's our model. I kind of took that from stew again, right? So we do five sessions all one-on-one and I'll typically start if my Coach can't cover around 5:00 a.m. That I have a 6 a.m. Class that I have a 7:00 a.m. Fundamentals and 840 class and then a ten am fundamentals and then four five six and seven at night and you clench almost all of this if not much pretty much all. Yeah, except occasion in a hole in the ground spectrum of the world. I'd say you got a good job, right? You know, absolutely but it is a lot of hours and you can see why that was what I was doing when I open it. It's like first person to get to your level 1. I don't even think they had it. I was just like you can coach right and then bro, so you see where that's happening and I think the the world of CrossFit coaches are being developed, but it's still mean you were at your level 2 you see What's going on right now? Like you see that? Yeah, you you leave your level 1 and if you're not getting developed you come back to take your level 2 and you're still a really bad coach write your fault. You're not working on it would be like trying to get your MBA and not studying not reading a book. You're not going to pass the test. So it's impressive that you coach so much but we do understand why people are putting in subpar coaching and they need to work on developing them. Absolutely. Yeah, so we have a part of I'm sorry to rush you have a part of our process for getting started as a coach and internship process and we actually have somebody going through it right now and that's six months doesn't guarantee. You're going to coach at all. You have to work a minimum of six hours per week and it starts off with just shadowing. You're not doing anything. You're not talking. You're just observing. That's it. Right. So we start them there and then gradually they start to kind of increase in capacity and what they're doing within the class but we start off really slow. It's a learning experience. I tell them straight up like look, this is not guaranteeing you a You're not going to get a membership discount just because you're interning it's not going to happen the value in this is knowledge and that a level 1 course as good as it is. It's not going to be as valuable as this because it's Hands-On training. It's a lot more hours than you're going to get from those two days. Right? And so that's what we start off with if they do well and I put them through a stress test at the end where I slam a class and they have to finish on time make all you know, scaling modifications needed for individuals and have Have no problems, you know perfect finish and so I'll put them through the wringer a little bit. But if they pass then you know, we'll pay for their level one to kind of go into it and that's probably not probably that's really great too. If someone is actually looking to make this a career and learn what better way than to be immersed in it exactly as you're doing now the topic I really want to dive into because this is I think you and I were sitting there and I remember talking about contracts and You know my I think what happened was you told me to contracts and I was like, yeah, but anyone can break them in any time. Have you ever seen anyone and you were like, yeah. So so so let's talk. Let's talk about that. A lot of boxes have contracts and I say contracts with kind of quotes because they're not really meant to be uphill. Yeah, that's right. So there's there's you know, the contracts like you would get at your typical gym your LA Fitness where you can't breach this contract and if you do you're going to owe x amount of dollars in a lot of boxes just kind of put it out there and they discount all of these tears of time but at the end of the day, Not going to follow up anyway, so what's the point but you on the other hand have actually sued your members or ex-members. I should say if they if they try to breach the contract. So give me the whole story of this. The whole story well why you started with contracts and how you got to where you are, right. So let's take a look at the principle behind the contract. Right? If I if somebody signs a 12 month, let's say agreement. They are going to receive a discount from my regular rates. So our drop-in for say a one-hour class if somebody didn't sign any contract would be $25. Somebody comes one time. I come into town $25, you know, $25 know by t-shirt, right? I hate that whole thing. It's cost you this much to take class. Our t-shirts are extra. All right, right. And and that's the problem with that's CrossFit Gyms have continued like it's we need to wake up its business owners. There's a cost to everything and I'm not going to give you a t-shirt for free. I appreciate you coming to our gym, but you won't get a t-shirt for free that's going to be my snippet for this episode. Just so you know, but yeah, okay, I like it. So you got the drop in rate of 25. What's next? All right. So the way I look at it is if I'm going to give you a discount and that discount if you look on our website, you'll kind of see it and I think you're looking at it right now. You'll kind of see it broken down price per class. Right? So you'll see as the commitment level goes up. The price of the class will reduce and you're getting that discount. I'm devaluing my service because you're committing to 12 months. Right? So a lot of people aren't going to pay our to 20 a month rate for unlimited classes, which is discounted on from our job, right slightly, but it's still too. $20 a month, we do have several people who pay that who don't want to be put into a commitment. So we're not forcing people into contracts. It's not like that's their only option is to sign a contract. That's just if they want the best price they're going to have to commit to right. So if I give somebody a discount say, let's say the sound a year at 12 months. I give them a discount now, they're getting a discounted class. If I don't enforce that now I'm out all of that money right now. They've had all those months of service and they had six months of service. That was discounted and now they default on their contracts and now I'm out a lot more money than just the cost of the contract, right? Yeah, so first of all your websites beautiful, so guys check out Crossfit North four.com. I've know if you did this yourself or know, I have a good graphic designer that this is a use. It's a very good website and it's laid out super well as far as the pricing so many websites for in the cross a world. That's like we travel a lot and I want to figure out their schedule this it's like impossible right figure out keep it simple now, but what you said, Do you know you're devaluing? Is that the right word there? So if you're just doing what a monthly rate that's at 145 without a commitment. Well, you say your month to month unlimited is 220 right people commit to 12 months. It's 170 and maybe it's just semantics you said. Hey, I'm devaluing. I would say you're not devaluing what you're offering a reduced rate reduced rate because they're committing to you right and no different than so many subscription websites or anything you pay $19.99 a month or if you commit to a year it comes out to $12.99, but you're right. So the point being if you tell me yours. To do a 12 month contract for months in you want to quit? Well, you've saved yourself $50 a month $200 over that period of time, right? Yeah. I think that's a better way to word it there. But what the challenges are right most box owners just kind of chalk it up me because that's what I said to you. I was like, all I have to do is call Chase and be like, hey, don't let these guys charge my card anymore. Right and it's a little bit more difficult to do that when it comes to a bank account. That's one of the other beauties of using So and we didn't really talk about that but we use EBT or the automatic Bank withdrawal penalties. Yeah, you have to we don't allow credit cards or debit cards or anything like that and for box owners listening you pay less of a percentage on that as well. That's right significantly less. We had almost a thousand dollars a month in credit card and debit card transaction fees. So if you're listening to this me, if you make that change you just saved yourself a thousand dollars is not unrealistic. Right and you know it's a scary kind of approach to to take and I was afraid to take it at first and you know, I had some guidance there and push me in the right direction and it saved us a ton of money when they guess it was still it was still good. Yes. Yes. That's what was scary about that. A lot of changes, right? So we did everything at once and we take a lot of people off and sometimes you just have to be okay with that as a business and a lot of Corporations do that every single day, right? So, what did we do all at once we automatically stopped honoring grandfathering in prices old prices. We stop that right? We allowed people to finish out their contract that term they had left in their contract at that grandfathered rate, which we don't have to the way our contracts right now, but that's fair. I like yeah. Yeah, it's fair because you know, they Into that it would be wrong for us to kind of back away from that. Right? So once that was done though current rates would apply we removed teachers discounts room removed fire. No first responder discounts got real all that and Military Discount, no discounts only discount we have is couples discounts. That's it. And the only reason I do that is because you have a lot of money coming out of one household, right? Yeah. It's two people from one house. What's the discount on that? I'd have to do the math. I can tell you intend to 10% 15% type of right around there. Yeah, get around there son. Yeah, it says please inquire for information and I think that's fair, you know. I don't think there's a right or wrong whether you want to Discount Elio firefighter military teachers. You can go crazy. It's like oh you just kind of teachers but there are people and I love teachers my mom's a teacher I used to offer discount but it's like what about the people that are working their ass off at McDonald's that can't afford that where do you draw the line? Then that's a good point. You just brought up because especially with the First Responders discount. We have a lot of Physicians that come to our gym and we had Physicians that were mad because they weren't getting a Scout and First Responders were right and they made a good point. Right why our First Responders getting a discount when I save people every day as well maybe in a different way. Why am I not getting a discount and then it gets the point where when is like enough enough? Right? If Starbucks a multibillion-dollar company can't afford to give discounts. Why can I afford to make to give these discounts when I'm only making six figures a year in terms of the gym, and he was saying all these changes you made I think to some extent it was like just ripping off. The Band-Aid probably better than hey Adam, you hit us with this change three months ago. Now this change here it is. Did you lose any members? Absolutely. She's okay. I wasn't expecting that the how many did you lose? Not a lot not a lot. So we muscle a couple and we lost a couple of our are you know original members there, right? So and the way I looked at so we lost about just kind of touch base on that. We lost about eight or nine numbers. I want to say which was kind of disappointing. These are people that are with you from the beginning five five years or so, right and then they decide to leave and you know, you kind of feel upset about it as a gym owner and these relationships you build but at the end of the day, they didn't see the value that I brought to the table and if they didn't see the value I failed on my part or B. They just didn't care about it anymore. Right? They don't care about coaching. I don't care about the facility. They just want a cheap place to work out and get us wet on which is cool if they want to do that no problem, but this isn't the place for it. That's what I was going to say. And you answered as could say well whose fault is that and you need to tip the ownership, right? If they're willing to leave its it's mutual right? It's right. They need to see it but it's but I would guess even if you lost nine people you far exceeded that with what you brought in. Absolutely. Yeah, those price increases in price changes made up for all those people that were lost and then moving forward. It was just easy from the beginning, you know, which is goes back to what we talked about the beginning. It's like you have a hundred members, but if they're all paying full Price you don't need 200 members. You don't need me. No, you don't it'd be nice. Right but there's a number where all right. I need a hundred people paying full price and have we when I did my increases like we had 500 members, but some were pay 80. So I'd rather get rid of them have this space. So when someone new comes in willing to pay 180, it's not a not a problem in class sizes or equipment. I'd rather have all my members and that's part of it as well. You're discounting people. They're all using the same. Equipment, they're all using the same floor space taking the same bandwidth from me as a coach. Why are they getting a discount? You go to the movies you get a seat. We're all paying the same thing. That's right. Yeah. That was my biggest thing there. It's just we have to the discounts have to stop and I hope if anybody hears this and the grandfathering we need to put a stop to grandfathering and you know, a lot of people have all my members going to be ticked off her. That's not right. I promise my members they'd have this for life, but they're nice enough. So did I yeah, Mine wasn't a they were my first people I mean the Box wasn't even open and I was like if you want us to stay in business, we have to get rid of this and I did a couple things where they can pay upfront similar to you like right out there contract. It wasn't like you're going from 80 to 180, but it was we need to make a change now. Go ahead. So kind of touch him back on client numbers because I heard you talk about that. We need to be less focused with the amount of members that we have and focus more on the values. Value of that member right how much money they're spending within a month? I'd much rather have 80 members and have their average client value over 300 a month than have all those other members back, you know for that little bit of money and you'll tend to see that the people that are safe or in your case paying $85 a month. They're going to be less likely to take on other services. You may have buy products. You may have that are fairly pricey right there. They're just shitty remembers. Let's put it he's like that. Want discounts are your worst members, right? Yeah, and I think Cooper calls it average revenue per member your arm, you know, and whether it's selling supplements or in your case, probably doing more personal training, that's the goal. And the truth is if I have eight, you know, every additional member is just a headache, you know, whether it's an email whether it's in class. It's just more people to heard the yeah less people paying more the more they pay and it's it's not like you're a better. Better person but they're better member, right? Absolutely and it's better for everyone all around. So take me through the first time you had to actually take someone to court over a contract. So the first time I went to court I did it by myself, right? So that was a learning experience altogether. I filed all the paperwork went to mediation watch. Somebody cry in front of me that I already had a relationship with and I pretty much had to tell him like look, you know, I valued your men. You being at our facility, but I also realized that I have kids right about you not paying and you committing you're taking food out of my kids mouth and that's just being real. I'm a small business owner. I'm not a big, you know, five gyms in you know type business here. I have one gym and every dollar we bring in is important and so I tried to kind of relate emotionally on that end with with the client because they were in a similar situation, but at the end of the day she didn't want to settle And contracts are contracts and if you breach your contract a lot more money is going to apply right interest attorneys fees which at that point then I did get an attorney court costs and all of the time spent on it. So it's in everybody's best interest just to kind of you know, settle up right. So do you remember what you wound up getting for that? It was so it was a year contract. I want to say the first one was fairly very new into our business. So it was the first year that we opened. I've been so I said an example from the start because you let one person go then you know, it's your soft. Everybody's going to take they can get out of it. So I made a statement from the beginning that this isn't going to fly, but we're very upfront to with our contracts. We tell people we don't do cancellations. We don't do buyouts bottom line. Yeah, and I don't for one second thing. This is like your there's A bunch of small fine print at the bottom it's obvious and because of that it's like so that if you don't like that, here's the six month option and here's some of the month option you don't you don't have to do this, right? And that's something we try to be very clear about when in doubt do a month, right? You don't have that initial savings right off the bat, but at least you're sure right. So yeah, that's something I think people struggle with every once in a while and then get into situations where they live outside their means, but we can't act as advisors for people in terms. Is of that, right that's on them and to be clear is there if someone had done a 12 month and they want to get out. Is there a buyout fee could they? Is there a more easy way to end it than going to court It All Pro. Hey, so they have to pay it that have to pay and we say that right up front. We don't allow any cancellation 0 by O2 or financing a membership. Just like your financing a car. That's what we tell them just say year vs. 5 and so The flip side if people tried to leave and been okay with it. Like hey, I accept it. I you know sign this contract. So yeah, we do have some people that they won't even really tell us they're leaving. No just stop showing up and we're very good at checking in. I have a call list every week that I follow up with some people and some people just keep giving excuses and you know, those are the people have no intentions of coming back but we try to do our part and get them in here. But, you know, they're not going to resign and they're honoring their agreement. So As long as they honor their agreement, I think a lot of people it's we don't get as much of that. Now that our prices are higher as we did when they were lower right and at the end of the 12 months so they have to re-sign or does it roll over into another year? No we have to resign because normally our rates would increase so every year you have to you know, sit down with somebody and that's important as the Box owners. Well, because when that contract ends you're at risk now of losing a member because it's an opportunity for Just say no. I'm good. That's right. Do you think they should do that with marriages like a one-year contract? Well, I think everybody should get a prenuptial agreement if we're talking on marriages you are definitely get this is your video. That's if your business owner right rain going on. Yeah, my wife wasn't too happy about that one. She's probably like I have more money than you that's fine. So now how would you recommend a box on her Implement something like This how would they get started? Because if you are going to be willing to take someone to court your contracts have to be done properly absolutely get an attorney. No, Florida statute. That's the biggest thing or at the statute of the state that you're in right? It's a very important thing to know in Florida. For instance. The Department of Agriculture has to approve your contracts. You have to send them there you have to show the terms, right? They have to be able to read through it. There's certain statute that needs to be listed. Batum exact font exact though exactly the way it's written and it without that your contracts not valid get an attorney. That's the best thing you could do back in the day. When I started I remember on the I was on the affiliate page and I asked somebody to hey, can you send me a copy of your contract so I can take a look and that's what I did and it helped me a lot and that was kind of a basis of getting started. I later found out that there's some loopholes we had we have had some people get get away with. Not paying their membership in the past, but those have been fully closed. So it's important to talk to an attorney. Right? What are some loopholes? What did we have? So oh one of the things was the state statute not being written correctly having more than one point of contact. So it was like if you'd like to cancel your membership, you can either email us here or send us a letter here and it's got to be the exact in state of Florida. It's got to be the exact same contact for something as small as that can make a contribution. Boy, Dino. Yeah what I had my box. I had a lifetime membership and it my attorney was like, you know, this is illegal, right? Yeah, and I was like, but I do like, you know change the wording get everything. I didn't even like I had to get everything done where it was like we backed up we had to put money away in escrow in case all is all crazy, but you don't think about all these things as a small business owner. Yeah in the State of Florida, you're required to have a certain Bond required if you have contracts And actually that's false. It depends on the amount that is required upfront. So for us because we're over I think it's 10% of the yearly contract. We have a three hundred and seventy five dollar fee for all new people who are going through their fundamentals. So it's five private one-on-one sessions. I ran into that issue where it was 10% because I used to not be required to have a certain Bond and somebody just got out of a contract because of that even though I didn't default. I have plenty of money in our bank to kind of back up their membership for Year, it didn't matter right it's because that was more than that 10 or 15 percent or whatever it is. I don't recall off the top my head down. That's more than the contract price. So yeah, it's important to know your numbers know your statute talk to an attorney. That's the biggest thing I can say and enforce if you don't enforce it's nothing. Yeah, and that was my point to people, you know, I've done some Consulting and people talk about a contract and I'm like, are you going to take these people to core? They're like no and I'm like well, why are you discounting your Membership, then that's my biggest gripe with it. It's not about contracts are bad. It's that if you like you see with Adam, he's discounting as membership $50 if you sign it, so if you're going to do that, make sure you're willing. I think there's nothing wrong with what Adams doing. If anyone's listening some people are going to listen about this has a dick not he's a business owner and if you're not willing to do what he's doing, you're probably not ready to be a business owner. I mean and granted this box owners. I'm sure listening. And I'm telling you like this is how you're going to your box can be successful. This is how you guarantee your boxes successful in 10 years. It's you know, you might be doing well right now. Are you going to be one of the crossover Affiliates thriving in 2029? That's that's the key to it. You know, I think we need to start a new hash tag bring back the contract. That's what we did in price tag. Bring back the contract. I like it head. Has anyone left gone through all this and then just left you a terrible review online. No. No, but here's the thing if they leave a review and it is false. Now, that's a whole different lawsuit. So it was like this dude went to court over this. I'm not even mess with him anymore. Right usually if it goes to court and I mean, we always get judgment within one or we've only lost twice and it was because of some bad areas in our contract that are now fixed. But yeah, I mean if we're going to go to court they see you I'm not playing around and that's not me trying to be a dick right and I know some people listening will probably think oh, he's a dick like You said I'm a business owner and I have three kids right? I want my business to be around the next 30 Years, you know, whatever that that future will be 30 years from now. I want it here and I want to continue to grow and without this growing is hard if you want to go and sell your gym, you don't have a contract. You just have some numbers on a piece of paper and like oh, yeah, you know, I'm projecting I'm going to bring this in over the next few months cool because if I come in and I want to buy your business, I don't care what kind of numbers you have are your current members because if it's not locked in it really doesn't mean much. Jimmy I'm just what I'm going to give you value on your equipment. That's all you're going to have because most people don't even own buildings. So I'll buy your equipment right that's sent to that's a hundred percent true. You know, what you people like I get asked all the time about how do you value your business? And if your members can leave the day after the sale, it would be very silly to buy a business. absolutely, you know and and like you said I think Box owners listening to this there's nothing wrong with make you know, professionalizing your affiliate of whether it's you're married or whether it's you have kids or your single person. There's it's like you shouldn't feel guilty for trying to run a successful smart business and we do this I think we all do it because we love it. You know, you have an MBA you're training people at 5 a.m. Because you're passionate about helping others, but you can be both you can you could enjoy helping others and also, Really making sure your kids, you know are fed. Right and let me clear something up. Right if somebody runs into a difficult situation. We are more than willing to work with people and I think we need to show some empathy to an extent. Right but at the end of the day, it's just how much you're going to show. So if people need some assistance say they need to, you know, need a month or two to get caught up. We'll give that right and we won't charge interest or any of that stuff, but it comes to the point where people just try to default. That's where it becomes a problem if you default if you don't Let us know what's going on. We can't help you and by that point, you know, we're getting hit with fees for bounced checks, you know, or what it is and now we're going to have to pass that on to you and now it's become more of a problem. So I think you need to have a balance for sure. I think you need to show you're willing to work with people but don't be afraid to enforce. Yeah and wish and I'm glad you said that because I know even when we talked at the at the seminar you said there are people that have had issues and it's not like you're suing a homeless person. You know who's out on the You can't afford your membership a anything else. I mean, I think the three nuggets that we've talked about is ending the the grandfathering in a memberships switching over to an EFT versus credit card and charging a fair amount for a drop in fee doesn't have to be 25, but it has to be this is your payment to be in this class. Anything else is additional any other tips. You would give to an affiliate owner and I'm sure if I was gonna say, I'm sure he loved it. None. But anyway anyone any other good one will go about what you were going to say. Absolutely. Let's let's keep it cool. Keep it short continuous Improvement. That is the biggest practice that we can have not only in our business but in our lives right always try to continue to improve your service to your clients. We do it all the time, you know, I'd rather invest into my facility to create more value for my clients that allows me to justify charging more also, but I'm always reinvesting. I'm always figuring out ways to improve and you can do that a lot of Always right with equipment that you're providing the gym your cleanliness the cleanliness of your gym, which is a huge factor that people neglect little things like we have towel service at our gym something small, but it's something people appreciate always look to create more value, especially when you're going to start increasing prices. You want to see the value there and coaching is an important aspect and know we pride ourselves on being good coaches, but I think every box owner does that so you need to do something that sets you apart from your Market if you go on our website CrossFit Northport Dot Cam Shameless plug you'll see that we practice that right. We want people to come in here and be blown away with our facility the way it looks we want to attract people that are willing to pay for our service. So we will continue to invest in I recommend that all Jim do the same. Yeah. And again, we said it earlier but it starts with your site. I mean a lot of times that's the first thing people are going to see here your site is crisp. It's clean. It's simple to navigate you your there's Video of what your affiliate looks like and it clearly looks clean. So a lot of nuggets on there, which is it's just awesome to see in this day and age in the affiliate world. So congrats to you. Um, I always like to ask every guest any book you recommend. Yes, a couple of them actually psychology is selling great book that book has changed my business tremendously being confident in selling in knowing how to relate it back to somebody that's a very very important thing to do and our industry right? We're constantly selling seller be sold premise behind that book, you're either selling or being sold to and that's going to change your mind, you know in life in general right to help you with every negotiation you do and then the other one That's what I just read never split the difference. That was a great one Grodd. I use that with my wife. She doesn't know. You know, what's funny same thing. I listen to that on my own in the car. His name was Chris Boss or Rich Vos. That would be I'd yeah, he's yeah a couple of Austin malleable mentioned that book as well when we interviewed him and great great book. I highly recommend that and I'm sure the other ones are great as well. I just happen to have read that. Well you have to It's like eight more classes today. So I was right how I'll let you go. But you see I did want to ask you seem super regimented. What are some things you do to stay so organized in your life. So if I had if I wasn't on my computer at give you a script a little screenshot. I have a glass whiteboard to the left of me. It has my projected sales for the month. I have a nice check mark by because I've fortunately accomplished it this month right at the end of the month. Nice job. We're at the end of the month, right? I always try to every time I beat my sales goal. I increase it every month. So I think that's an important thing always reach your goals that stuff. It is cleaning your friend time. Now, you got to do better. All right, but this is a lot easier. So yeah, I just have a white board. I write everything on it. I have personal training sessions. I've done for the month. I have number of signups fundamentals nutrition signups. I have daily tasks like, oh do an Instagram post each day get your programming done follow-up your calls and then I have a lot of stuff in my calendar. It's Important to have a good scheduling system. We use calendly for the business and it kind of integrates. It shows any potential clients and current clients slots you have available and automatically adjusts. I'm sure you're familiar with it. Yeah. And so we use commonly. Yeah. It's a great great service write everything down, you know schedule it out in your phone. We have so much technology. We just need to use it to stay organized and successful just follow. Yeah, one of my mentors used to say to me the mind is for thinking the pain is for remembering and you know being Your phone I mean I use my phone as well because it's like you want to clear that bandwidth and it could be something insignificant. I write it down just so it's like one less thing to think about. What about your own training you find time every day. Whoo, that's a tough question. So not to make it too long. But so when I first started off just like a lot of gym owners. I wanted to try to make it to the games. Yes, we all laugh and smile like that. But that's the are all I say that you work out. I only laugh. Thanks. I appreciate that. So yeah. Nowadays, it's not anywhere near the same. So I used to train two hours a day religiously joying, you know competitive programming all that type of stuff did not focus on my business as much as I should have and because of that I didn't grow the way I should have right. So now within I would say the last two and a half years I've shift focus and now I'm lucky to work out twice maybe three times a week on a good week because I'm that much more focused on my business, you know, instead of trying to make it to Regionals, which Never was going to happen for me. I need to focus on something that was right there in front of me that I've already invested my life into which was my business, right? So now my main focus isn't my friend time. It's how many members have signed up this month? Did I beat my last month's sales setting those goals just like a PR and trying to beat it. Every month is much more rewarding than a faster Fran tab to me at least happy wife happy life. I'm sure she's appreciative of that and it's not as if You're not fit I was you know, you still two to three times a week really at the end of the day. That's all you need. That's all you need. I mean emotionally just from where I was at before and the numbers I had before I think that's hard for all of us, but I'm also getting older now too. So I need to realize that what's important right? I think we all do and and I think you could probably be honest with yourself. You can probably find another hour if you really wanted to write so opportunity costs. That's another little tidbit will throw their so any hour that I spend working out and I try to make at least 3 hours a week is an hour of lost Revenue, right? So I could fill that with a personal training session. Okay. Let me ask this to me last question though. Yeah. Can you take that? I mean you could take that to the extreme you could like. Hey kids. I'll see you in a month. Daddy's got to go to work right like at what point work. How does a box owner? How does Adam find that balance? Where is that cut off? So I wouldn't say I have found that balance. It is blatantly honest with ya. Right. So my wife I would say takes a lot of responsibility on for our kids every single day. So she's a full she works full time. She she's a district district manager for a big bank, right? So she's traveling a lot and then she picks her kids up from daycare does all the stuff she comes down to the gym just a quick workout. And then she's taking care of the kids the rest of the night. So I try to shoot for one evening off a week, but when I'm busy like we are now, I don't take any time the first vacation I've had in over two years was this past weekend? And it was extremely hot in the terrible idea. We went to Disney. So yeah, not a vacation specially with young kids as I do you have kids. I don't have kids now. Okay. What I've been to Disney with again. I'll let you borrow my kids for the weekend. You can see the experience. That's my God the box so much. That's right. No, so yeah finding the balance. I mean, I'm not happy with where I'm at yet. Do I don't know. If I'll ever be happy with where I'm at because minute we're happy is and then it we start to fall behind in my mind, right? So I know you've listened to Gary Vee. I'm sure you have I like a lot of his stuff. You know, I don't think it should always be nonstop work. But right now I'm young. I have plenty of time to not work when I'm older. So yeah. No, I mean hey, I love what you're saying. I think you know you finding some balance would be great. But I also hate for 10 years when I owned my boxes. I was the same way cost me plenty of relationships, but I wouldn't be where I am today and I think you're doing it. Right and it's awesome to see I hope everybody listening really benefited from this F. I were a box owner. I've been taking notes. I think that's some really great stuff we put out there. Well, I appreciate you having me on here. It was a pleasure just for people listening check out the site CrossFit Northport. What's the Instagram at CrossFit Northport? That's right at CrossFit in with Andy of a personal one. Yeah, but we're not going to I don't even use that thing. So I'm asking is on our page and yeah because you have It's tough. So is your they can email you right off? I think your phone number was on there as well. So if they do have specific questions, you can always reach out. Yeah, it goes directly to me. It's a business line, but everything, you know goes right to me. Oh one other thing just want to add in there real quick. I know we're short on time. And this is kind of what happened with that box runner from your way that came down sodomized everything automatization. Is he right now? It's key if you want to run a business and you're short on staff and don't have a lot of stuff like me automation. That's that's where you guys need to be at. That's the best thing. I think I could recommend for anyone, you know, probably a lot of what you listen to I listened to its eliminate automate delegate and I'd say one thing to throw on top of that is too many people automate things. That should be eliminated. Right? No eliminate. Hey, yeah, and then you should be automating everything right good stuff Adam. I really appreciate this was great. Yeah. I appreciate you having me on maybe we can do it again sometime, but absolutely there's a I'm sure we can have you on numerous times and not run out of things to talk about. We said to find time in your day. I'd rather you work out during this hour, but that's three hours is all I need. 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In this episode, Jason Ackerman sits down with Adam Tar, who he met about a month ago at a Level 2. Adam is the owner and head coach at Crossfit Northport, wit his wife Sarah Tarr. What really impressed Ackerman about Adam was what he is doing from a business perspective within his Box. Adam has a Master of Bussision Admisionton, which he stated has not only allowed him to be the most expensive box in his area but also have a solid membership base of 100 members. Adam takes a very hard approach within his box, where he coaches 90% of classes, has very hard but ultimately fair internship program, and hold value in contacts to ensure his business stay alive. They discuss all of that but also topic like Grandingfathering in, going to court over contracts and my EFT should be your membership method of collecting. This may seem like some hard issue to face for many of us as box owners but Ackerman and Adam example why they are so important mostly because it’s allowing you to ensure your future. Check out the extra content about this episode on besthouroftheirday.com Rate/subscribe in Apple Podcasts! Find us on Instagram: @besthouroftheirday + @thejasonackerman Check out our website - besthouroftheirday.com - to learn more about our private coaches development group.

Bello fiends welcome to another terrifying and delectable episode of nightmare on film Street the horror podcast with zero credibility, but all of the blood ghouls and Gore your puny heart can handle let's give a grave Welcome to our hosts John and Kim. Hello again fiends and welcome to this micro sewed of nightmare on film Street. This mini episode coming attractions smaller interstitial episode of Nightmare on Elm Street. I'm Kim. I'm John and in between the two lengthier episodes in which we dive into to Spook Alicia's films. We are checking in with you guys talking about horror news. We're also going to let you know the two films were talking about next week. We'll let you know at the end of this little episode, but horror happenings. We saw 47 meters down uncaged that is now in theaters John. What did you think about that movie? It's shark movie. So it's pretty good as far as shark movies go. Yeah. I almost say it's good but it's on like the bad side of good like the there is a pretty great moment that I've been talking about online kind of non-stop to anybody that is replying to not spoiler. He's it it's not spoil. Lori there is a scene where the only lighting is from a emergency Beacon. So it's just like flashes of red like just like this flood light stroke this really slow red strobe like this. How does sin T of them? Oh, it's so good. It's so great. And hey, I've seen some people criticizing me for being dark. It takes place inside a cave. It's supposed to be dark, but I think there is some clever use of Darkness especially in how they build like small little Areas with their shark. Yeah this the Sharky jump-scares. I enjoyed my biggest issue wasn't the darkness. It was how claustrophobic the camera was like all of the shots were very tight and you didn't quite know who is swimming. We're like most of the most of the time we were watching the movie. I was like, okay who's in front? Like who's who's closest to the shark right now either because of the space they were filming in and it being underwater or the lead girls not being professional divers. So we couldn't really see a lot of shots that were a little bit farther where I guess we could see them swimming because they're not the best Maneuvers underwater which I get it that's kind of the draw of, you know, hiring actors daughters rather than scuba divers. But yeah, the the the scene in the movie that got the biggest reaction enemy was when they tipped over a bunch of Priceless Mayan statute. No like the museum Is going to be so pissed. Yeah, I mean, let's be real regardless whether you're underwater or your above sea level if your movie with in the First Act takes place with your character standing around a sacrificial altar from the the Mayan from the Mayans. We know there's there's nothing good can happen in this place. I'm really sad that they didn't play into the fact that that shark was committing sacrifices on that ancient altar. He's the last living Mayan when it And so early on in the film I was like, oh my God, he is a god of woken and he is gonna kill these bitches because he was like blind and they said that heat evolved down there. I was like, he's a god. What do you think raised just a shark nice just a regular shark with cool eyes really cool eyes. The ending was also wild. Well ya know the ending was Bonkers I the film almost lost me but the ending completely different movie wasn't really 47 meters down at the But yeah in the fact that it was bright as fuck. Would you recommend people see it? Well, definitely because shark movie Summer sure. Yeah. It's just no kind of going in what it is. You're not going to see like the best character development or dialogue but sharks and sharks sharks sharks and in a rating system out of four, I would give it sharks sharks out of four. Yeah. Sure. Soda for ya and coming up this week. We have ready or not that's coming out neither John nor myself have seen it. So I just wanted to kind of really hasn't been on my radar. A lot of good reviews have been popping up people seem to be really into it. I'm still like on it. It looks very your next e to me. Yeah, I think that that's it's get it's definitely getting a lot of comparisons to your next. Yeah. It's probably just like hey, you're meeting my family for the first time and oh no, we're all gonna die. I'll just you The idea is that only she's supposed to die. Yeah, that is I mean, this is what it feels like sometimes when you meet somebody's family for the first time. It feels like it's a game of life or death. Like I better get this right or they're gonna murder me. So I like that they've taken that and extrapolate but to know for me the premise just seems so simple that I feel like I've almost already seen the movie having watched the trailer a million times. Sure. I will say one thing though regardless of how you feel about this movie. Let's keep in mind who directed it the guys that directed The Halloween short and VHS. That's a good fucking short. That's right. Yeah, Devil's do their thing in southbound. Okay, okay radio silence that they know what I'm saying. I've heard really good reviews. So there's got to be something more that that we're not seeing in the trailer, but I don't know. I just can't get myself pumped for this one. I'm probably going to wait until it's VOD. I think you're lingering on some some old babysitter hate what you hated the babysitter so hard I like the actress though because yes, there we go. I think she was great in mayham Schmidt super Bonkers. I also think she's like whores what's the address is named from Once Upon a Time in Hollywood Margot Robbie. Yes, this is definitely whore. She is. Definitely horror as Margot Robbie. Exactly. Okay, I'm giving yeah, I like her personally. I just the babysitter drive me crazy that's getting a sequel now. So yes in the sequel. Yeah weird of those of you who liked it apparently a bunch of you. Yeah. It's for for like a Netflix would let's put something on I can see why people enjoyed it. I just hit a button and hit a nerve we shall not revisit it speaking of movies that are getting the sequel's fucking Matrix for is coming out it somebody was just like Keanu Reeves so hot right now like a trick script. Let's get him back in a trench coat. I think I don't know. Where are they gonna go with this movie The Matrix was actually inside another Matrix. It wasn't that did we establish that in the second? I John I do not know how many there's so I obviously great 3 Matrix. Is he in all three of them? Oh, yeah. Oh and Carrie-Anne Moss. The two of them are confirmed for Matrix for we'll see what is that the same woman? Yeah Trinity. Yep. Yep. Okay. Well more importantly mine hunter came out last week guys season to season 2 9 episode David Fincher's Sorry, I thought you're gonna keep going fictionalized. True crime series mind Hunter. If you haven't seen it. It is a account fictionalized account of the team that created Behavioral Science and criminal profiling as we know and love it today and every other podcast that exists, but this is back when they were babies and they were just starting out interviewing criminals and stuff. Yeah, and as cool as the show is and how great it is. And trying to nail down its interpretation of serial killers and portrayal of them doesn't really criticize criminal profiling all that much in the show. Second season was I don't know John. I think the second season poked a lot of holes into everything that they were doing and I can't ride home. It had that is okay. Sure sure. It has some of that stuff at home to remain spoiler-free. We won't go into too much detail, but the it focuses pretty heavily on the Atlanta child. Killer the Atlanta monster, which they were they have always been pretty heavily criticized for and you do see it in the show, especially when you get toward the end. It is very critical of what they did. And and to be honest I was talking with you about this. The overarching villain in both seasons is the BTK Killer and if they're only sort of getting an idea of who he is in season 2, but it is interesting that this is the guy that they keep going back to because you know, Their techniques were so great. And so perfect and they had all the evidence they needed which they did. They should have been able to catch this guy, but they couldn't until 2004 when he basic I think 2004 early 2000s when he when he turned himself in practically. So if it was as good as they say it is they should have been able to do it. It's the it's the astrology of detective work. Yeah. I'm calling it. Unfortunately, like I'm finding the the personal stories that they're expanding on with with like our to detective characters and like Are our main the handful of people that were following who are in this department or whatever. I'm not feeling the the family stories and like how their personal lives are affecting their work that just feels very like TV for me. Yeah. That's that's what television does exactly like, I'm just not really a big TV person, but I am in it so hard for like every time they visit a serial killer. I am like a thousand percent paying attention. Would you lie about that Charlie Manson? It's so Charlie was great. That was a really interesting. Asian and it's not often we get to see him speaking for himself kind of thing like a lot of times. It's whenever Charles Manson is used in pop culture. Its as a threat or like the like a flag of the end of the 60s or to see him kind of like trying to deflect and be Charlie. Yeah was was interesting. It was really fun only like there was too much of the how the cup. Oops were personally being affected by what Charlie was saying Oh, I like that. She's like not being professionals right now. No not well. Hey, I mean they these are all based on real tapes. Maybe that's how it went. That can't be I don't know. There's no way that actually happened in real life. Yeah. I'm no idea. I don't know II really thought that that made all of the previous episode stuff about the the personal problems. Yeah. I mean, yeah, they They picked that up and put it down real quick. Yeah, I'm just I think I'm just not TVs. Not for me TV is not my thing. Yeah. Hey, I like the show. I like to show a lot. I think it could have been three C's 3 episode shorter really it was already only Nine episodes. Yeah. I think they could have trimmed it. Like I think they could have trimmed out all the relationship stuff. But that's just that's just us like we just we don't care about boyfriends and girlfriends and also like life isn't so convenient that the things that you're dealing with professionally. Our mirror your let your personal life and that everything is coming to a head at the same time and you're having this existential crisis for like 45 minutes out of every hour period but yeah overall I'm excited to see what season 3 brings. I honestly hope this all leads to just another David Fincher movie. I hope you have to wait for like four years for it. I'm fine with that. He's okay. You mean to tell me that have David Fincher announces? Come in 2025 BTK. I would see that fucking movie and it's just it's essentially zodiac. My hands are getting for your trailer to yeah. Yeah, I would buy that I would buy that so hard. Yeah, I would love to see another yellow David Fincher movie rounding about getting back on topic. It is Stephen King month. We celebrated last episode with some off-topic creature features. We are getting back on topic this week with to Stephen King. Stick mini mother fucking Series has that's right next week on Nightmare and film straight home is where the horror is we're talking about the original in the TV mini-series from 1990 and ever F. And Tobe Hooper's Salem's Lot from 1979 from 1979. I am very excited to talk to you guys about these movies. It's our first time seeing Salem's Lot don't tell them that It's our first time don't worry we talked about how embarrassing that is all lat. It's embarrassing now. Yo, yeah, because it's fucking lovely. I thought everyone was wrong. I thought yeah, it's I'm sure it's fine. No, I'm mad at how under recommended. It was I'm blaming everyone. I was not forced to open my eyes and see that previously if you're gonna blame anybody blame me because I watched a little bit of I do I watched a little bit of it. Well when I was Right. 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They're given things away Valentine's Day is right around the corner get some tickets to a concert for your lady, you know, get some tickets to a game for your bad for your monitor bad or just get out there and live a little you alive. But are you living live a lot and go experience something live with our friends at ckq? All right. Let's get this show. We're being joined in Indianapolis Indiana by an entire cast of characters that I truly enjoy spending the days with at Boston Connors on the casting couch sitting on the other side of the couch a Canadian illegal immigrant Gumpy is here thankful to have you here dumpy thankful to be here but beard looks very good. Very very good. It's getting some Gray's in there. And you said you have something you want to talk about. What was it today? The internet does not like Zion. Apparently. I did not know that. Which is wild to me because Zion in my eyes is a representative of the internet in the NBA. I'll talk about here in a second that Nick brought his own ones and twos tone Diggs is here Ty Schmidt's here. Jason McAfee. Vallecito Evan foxy. And Todd McComas is on the phones the Zion era began in the NBA. Now it was delayed obviously 3/4 or so, nothing happening and happening until the fourth quarter and I have an issue here. Okay, maybe it's because I hammered Every single Zion line that I could absolutely Hammer his over-under was at 13 and a half. We all knew that was going to go over there was an odds boost on FanDuel that he get more than 10 points. We all knew that was going to go over there is a plus 10,000 bet for a triple-double which would have been possible. If any of his teammates didn't shoot like Evan foxy foxy has called for I don't like I don't like the mindset that Zion was in In that first quarter in the second quarter, even in the third quarter, I did not enjoy watching that. The entire world was hyped up for this start Zion Williamson. This guy that we've been watching since he was a child dunk on little white kids in South Carolina, then when he went to Duke everybody was like he's not going to be able to do what he did on the internet at Duke. These are bigger kids. Now. These are the best athletes in the world. He did the same damn thing there now Coach K couldn't win a National Championship with him, which makes me think maybe coach Okay has lost it a little bit but that's neither here nor there. He leaves becomes a number one pick to the New Orleans Pelicans who have a great trend of taking care of their players. Oh, yeah, you know Anthony Davis didn't want out of there at all. They have a great trend of taking care of their players. He ends up there. They tell us that he needs meniscus surgery. They tell us that they're teaching him how to walk how to run in his thing gets delayed 44 games or something along those lines 44 games. We have to wait for one of the most electrifying basketball players to ever step foot on This Earth the biggest hype machine in basketball since LeBron James. We had to wait 40 40. He said he wanted to play last week right Zion comes out and says listen, I'm ready to go. The Pelicans are holding him back, you know in lieu of a good future which I can respect if that's what they're looking out for for Zion. Now Zion makes his debut. He starts they introduced him second. Okay, they introduce him to your team is 17 and 27. Okay, everybody's watching that game because of Zion you sold out. The Smoothie King Center because of Zion and you introduced him second and have somebody follow up after him. That was my first issue. That's what I knew. Okay. We have a little bit of a problem with the Pelicans here. Obviously, he should be introduced last let's just we know it it's his debut. He was the first pick of the draft. Everybody's watching NBA on ESPN at 9:30 because of him. Well, that's one mishandling in my us. Okay. So now they're like Zion, you'll be introduced second your whatever you're not the star of this team. We've been playing with Out you for 44 games and it was obvious that the message that was sent to Zion by his coach Alvin Gentry who was fired from the Phoenix Suns then he won a championship or a couple with the Golden State Warriors on the bench with Steve Kerr coaching. Now, he's the head coach of the New Orleans Pelicans who have a 17 and 27 record 17 in 27 wreck what Zion should have been told before that game was Hey listen Zion, you can do no wrong tonight. The entire world is watching your day. AB you everybody has been watching you dominate on the internet for all these years when you get in there tonight, you shoot your shot. You have the time of your life know that nobody in this locker room or in this organization is expecting much from you. We understand you haven't played since the preseason you go out there and do whatever the hell you want to do. You're the face of our franchise. You're the reason this place is sold out. We are thankful for you you get that rock and you go make magic instead. What I think was told to him was Zion. You're a part of a team. You're not going to Do what you did in Duke here. This is a team that's already operating you pass the ball, we have good players because whenever he was on the court, he looks scared to death as soon as it got the ball. He didn't even look at the basket the first three times and he was like, well, what if that xylem you think Zion this Natural Born Killer on a basketball court is going to get scared to go to the rack. No, he was obviously told by Alvin Gentry's play team basketball and to do this and do that and let's not get crazy because every single times I don't got the ball. He I don't even think he looked at the hoop for the first four minutes. He was on the court of a five-minute run. I don't even think he even took a peek out of he was so scared. He was passing the ball over the place. I thought he was gonna get a triple double if any of his teammates could shoot. I think he would have had 10 assists in the first quarter nothing because he was refusing to go to the basket then finally in the fourth quarter Zion. I think somebody in the crowd said Zion enough with the crap take it to the rack and he just started dominate forth. For from three when everybody talked about in college while he can't shoot he can't shoot. He didn't have to shoot. He used to just be able to jump over. Everybody gets hurt works on his three a little bit banging those in grabbing rebounds making the best athletes in the world look amateur and I think if Alvin Gentry would have made Zion feel the way he felt in the fourth quarter going into the first quarter. He possibly drops 95 points last night 95 points last night. I am so pumped up about the Zion. He looked in terrible shape. He looked in the worst shape that he's ever looked. He looked like he Possibly gained 45 to 50 pounds in Alaska and he was still dominant on the basketball court whenever he wanted to be once he gets in shape gets his diet together, maybe get to coach at once them to succeed. Maybe just like the internet everybody will come around. I'm excited for the next 10 years of dominance for Zion Williamson. Don't love that. He's in New Orleans for the Pelicans love the City of New Orleans. Like what the Saints got going on. Don't love the Pelicans organization have them go out second basically and I didn't like that. I am pumped for the On are to begin and thanks for making me a lot of money last night. So I'm worth a quarter not only for yourself, but for for me a very good fourth quarter 8 for 11 from the field one point four points per minute played his teammates were over three on three balls that he passed to them. I mean it reminds me of Lamar Jackson. Well, what if he gets hurt? Well, what if we don't ever get to enjoy how good he really is that's real that's real because there was a lot of people like whenever he came out and like Colin cowards said silence debut big Big dud or whatever now granted it was it was it was very boring there for a little bit. It was very very boring its meaning and whenever it didn't look like the same person like you literally didn't he looks scared to even have the ball in his hands and I think that was the team. I think that was them telling them like, hey remember team basketball. This isn't like Duke this isn't like those little white kids were dunk on high school. This is a different world up here. It's like was that what LeBron was being told her never he came into the league. I doubt it. I think LeBron were those saggy baggy shorts. He had that weird. He had t-shirt on I think under his wing and he was Taking it to the rack every time it like what's your team stinks there? 17 and 28. Now you got the number one pick. He's ready to go. They take them out. They say a doctor told him take him out. I can respect that. There are also the same franchise and said they had to teach him how to walk again. It's just like, I don't know if I love the way the Pelicans have handled this whole thing, but I am pumped at Zions out there dominating. It's tough to think that he would end up signing with that like it feels like this is he's gonna be there and then he's going to go to either LA or New York or something like that. Like I just I don't think Think New Orleans is a place where he's going to stay. You can't imagine that he would well, I mean, I forgot one so ball played basketball until last night. He should have been the most thankful. By the way the Zions on their team because I forgot he was even playing in the NBA until last night. Now, I know MBA fans probably know that and they watch it. I don't know I didn't watch a lot of NBA games I watch on Christmas. I watched I watched on Martin Luther King day and then this I obviously watch strictly for Zions debut. I forgot Lonzo ball was even in the NBA. You look pretty good, too. Yeah, you got better. This is log. Yeah team is going to be the Lakers in the first round of the playoffs. All right, they are Tony because of Zion. I respect that he helped because he helps but I mean Brandon Ingram is really really good Drew. Holly's good. They had a lot of injuries to start the year and the connection to number one pick in the draft into but them acting is that they're treating him as if he's just some slob. It's like this is the guy start feeding the make him the focal point of your off. What are we even doing you look at how good murat's done? On the Grizzlies they gave him the keys. This is your team French Marathi. The only reason the only reason that game was on TV was because I am was playing and they introduced him second. Like I can't believe that that's all I introduced him second. I was like, yeah. Oh no. No, this is why Anthony Davis wanted the hell out of here nor lhans by all accounts. Great City Saints great franchise. Great organization been. Yes. Love the players. I love Drew Brees love the fans have always loved their time to that Pelicans organization. I think is a real problem. I think there are real problem that I am not happy that my guy that I've been watching for like 45 years on the internet just dunking everybody has ended up in this this trap of it. Think about if Zion was told you go do whatever the hell you want tonight. We are a bad team 1727. We are not a great team. There's not it. Nobody's even talking about us to do anything. You're the number one pick. We haven't even been on. Television since I mean, nobody even knows we exist you go out and do whatever the hell you want. If he was told that he was a little bit looser. Do you think what happens in the fourth quarter potentially happens earlier and maybe they win that game against the San Antonio Spurs like is that something that's maybe should be thought about instead. I think it took a while for him to get comfortable and on it's tough, but I think it's a coach's job to get a mindset of a player comfortable and for me, I think Alvin Gentry failed on that and I hope it goes better going forward that he proved himself now the number one pick in the draft proved himself in the fourth quarter now, They'll let that offense run through the guy one of Zions Mains Pros though throughout his career and throughout they talked about a Duke. How is how unselfish she was? Yeah. Good guy. Yeah, so I don't know if Gentry told him. Hey, you're not a superstar. This is the NBA all that or maybe Zion just really unselfish and Zion didn't even look at the hoop. He didn't even look at he was passing the ball to people I didn't even know played in the NBA. Let's go with your team pal if he's if he's getting the ball in passing or whatever. That's cool with me, but it's like it looked Like he was scared. It's like maybe that if if people are saying no, that's because Zion was scared to be there. It's like well, it's a coach's job to get a guy into a Groove. It's a coach has got a motivator guy. It's a coach's job to make sure everybody knows that hey we are going through this guy whether he likes it or not. It's like come on and the guy's number one pick in the draft and they say they're trying to protect them. Well, look at where he got hurt playing in the preseason worth nothing. Absolutely. No, so if you were trying to protect him, it should started then well and he by the way fourth all-time in pre-season. Scoring I saw that little stat yesterday. He looks like he's potentially 290 300 pounds. They said he was 25. I don't know when that way and was he looks big. He looks bigger than he's ever looked. He's gonna have to lose that weight. But man he is just a different different dude. How about every other human walk? How about the fat shaming I'll broadcast. Oh my God the first five minutes. How about that Z though? I was offended. So was I I don't like the guy. Okay, let's take it easy. You don't like Zion or the other day the Duke got me UNC I'm along. That's A lot of people hate him is just because it's Duke and he's been talked about for 10 years. Yeah, well for a reason like what he wants because he's a beast. He's been Duncan from the foul line since he's 11 years old. I'll tell you why that you asked why the internet hate them and I told you why you weren't happy with the answer. Yeah, you're right. We weren't happy with the answer because we think those people are stupid go Heels by the way, Alvin Gentry not a great cups. Not a great cocks. He's 162 and 211 with the Pelicans get him out. Get him out of there. What do we got? We trying to protect this kid. Are we trying to make him the now granted people that said, oh, Beckham jr. Was a 27 year old kid wrong. I think somebody's 19 years old we can still shake it. If somebody trying to protect this kid and give him in good hands. I know Alvin Gentry won't Championship up there on the Golden State Warriors bench. Imagine how Steve Kerr would have have Zion Williams Williams of ready to go last night. Steve Kerr would have been like, hey, man. Listen tonight you do whatever the hell you want to do. I'm excited to watch it. You can get a 360 Duncan go ahead and do that. If you do whatever the hell you want to do tonight, we are Seventeen and twenty Seven Seventeen because I didn't know much about Them digs told me yesterday that the the I think you somebody suffers defense stinks. Yeah, they stink in that the Pelicans are on a little bit of a runner. Yeah. They're a great time. I was like, okay so spoken seem like must be near good or something like that. So might be tougher Zion to get in there. Just like with the Green Bay Packers when Davante Adams came back in the offense was wrong. It's hard to just drop in a superstar whenever something's wrong. And then I saw the record 17 this team stinks. This team stinks are young too, so he could easily just come in and be the guy right away, but they're just choosing not to be like that. I think it's gonna have to I do think he showed incredible maturity last night though because I think ever going into the game. Everyone assumed like you're going to get like three or four of those like posterization dunks and he was just doing what the defense gave him hitting those open threes if he can hit uncontested and open threes like that people are gonna have a serious problem and struggled very hard for 3/4 not in scoring department and then just to be able to pop off in the fourth quarter. I think that's a lot of mental strength. I zi. I am a massive Zion fin massive Zion fin just because whenever you can see a human could do things that other humans cannot do which is what he's been doing on the internet for like literally like it feels like the past 10 years. I'm like, I thought he was a representative of the internet almost in the NBA. It's here that the internet hates him. I don't love that. Well, that's our guy. Hey Zion is literally our guy on the internet. This is our dude over there. I'm exact. I'm excited to see what he does. I hope they can get them a little bit better, you know, maybe support from the coaching position. Yeah. I mean, they're only four games out of the eighth spot. I think they're I think they're going to get it. Yeah, cuz if they're going to Of the dams I engraft to steal opportunities from that team somehow there are that run the offense through the gut just run the offense through the gut. What are you gonna do lose some more games? You've already lost almost 30 times. Like let's just run off now granted maybe it wasn't practicing as much they couldn't change her offensive set things like that. I can understand the exclusive, but to me, it just felt like Zion was a little bit trigger. Hesitant nope, too. Shy there we go trigger. Shy he was introduced second in the team interest out of five second. No sense not even third or fourth or second. It's like come on who's going after him. I'll tell you somebody can't hear his name because he arena is Going Bonkers for the guy. What in the spa p v though when you want to be V. Yes. Yeah blast. Yeah. Imagine if you went to New York man, they would have treated him so good. Once in New York because they were the one that supposed to have the number one pick. Yeah, because they stunk for it. Yeah. Now that's another thing the NBA does that stupid you you tank an entire season so you can get a 17% chance to get the number one pick overall terrible that makes no sense at all. I wouldn't have put it by the Knicks like ruining his knee though. I'm at terrible organization. Like he might be you know, you may never played again if he went there if they taught him how to walk and run. Yeah would not be the same story speaking of New York not an easy place to play and be a professional. Anal lot of eyes on you spotlight on you for a long time. There's a man that called it quits just yesterday after a very very award-winning career can't say successful because he actually batted 500 in his attempts, but what doesn't get talked about enough about Eli Manning not only did he stop Tom Brady from winning two more Super Bowl rings, which would have been eight Super Bowl rings in a completely insufferable world that to live in if the New England Patriots In Tom Brady had eight Super Bowl rings. Imagine what the massholes like Boston Connor, please shoot him. Yikes would have been like if they had two more Super Bowl rings, it would have been absolutely insufferable. So not only did he stop that. Okay, not only did he have a hundred and Seventeen winds, which is more wins than let me get these stats out. Terry Bradshaw Jim Kelly Steve Young Troy Aikman Roger Staubach Warren. Moon are Ken Stabler Dan Fouts, Joe Namath Kurt Warner Bob Griese. Most of that list is Hall of Fame company. Darling, all of that list is all the same company. He has more wins than all of those people. He has two Super Bowl rings and he did it all while being in New York City, which is not an easy place to play and he handled it in a pretty classy fashion. I mean the most bad PR he's ever gotten is the fact that he tried to he traded himself from the Chargers to New York and also that he got benched by for Geno Smith. Those are the only bad things that are ever really talked about Eli Manning. Everything else is kind of legendary spying flip cup out of West Virginia bar and New Jersey a couple weeks ago all his teammates like him. There's all these stories coming about about our out about these things. He does behind the scenes and nobody hears about whether it's tipping or hosting events or doing things like this and giving back to charity. Eli Manning is a lock for the Hall of Fame not because of what he did on the field because what he did on if it was very impressive lot of people get caught up in the fact that you also lost a hundred and Seventeen games, but the winds that he had the Super Bowl that he has it's all adding up for the fact that Eli Manning is a first ballot. The Famer in five years from now. Another Manning is going to get into the Super Bowl. And now this marks the first time in how many years no Madison's 1998. No Manning in the NFL since 1998. So until their nephew Cooper's kid that is breaking all of their records at high school gets to the NFL. There won't be another Manning congrats to Eli Manning on a hell of a career. And also you gotta remember he had a terrible terrible situation around and probably is what last six seven. Years of NFL play but it terrible. I mean that guy that had to slicked back hair that was their head clapping McAdoo that could do with that guy was a terrible head coach. Everybody can admit that gettleman for all his mean interesting guy as well. So let's let's put into you know, a little context the losses that he's had with also talking about everything. He's dealt with the amount of years. He played in a healthy fashion. I mean Eli Manning is a guy that's a lock at the hall of fame. Yeah. I mean if he didn't play the last six years his mother's record wasn't much better. He went six and 10 6 and 11:5 good year three and twelve five and eleven wanted three really hurt the record there at the end. Well, I think and it's also we very much live in a what have you done for me lately. What have you done for me lately and Eli Manning has not done great in recent history, which is a lot of people's recent bias, which are also a lot of the people that utilize the internet and social media are the people that are probably coming into age and into you know, real active fan Hood during Eli Manning's crap years. You got to remember there for the first 12 or whatever. Years of his career whatever it was, he was impeccable not impeccable, but he was a damn good quarterback that made something out of nothing a lot of occasions and he stopped Tom Brady from two more soup. Well you look at some of those guys you mentioned like Joe Namath didn't win a playoff game outside of that year. They won the Super Bowl through a hundred seventy three touchdowns and had 220 picks. So we basically got in for that one iconic moment. So if you're going to pick and choose their like Eli's had plenty of those iconic moments, that would be deserving enough for him to get in. We have to remember that I've ever I much think that all these subjective awards are stupid Hall of Fame included, but I think it is a very very very high honor to be selected in there and to be amongst your incredible Elite peers. I think he should get in. Well, he I'm sure there'll be a hilarious conversation against it at some point five years from now, but he should definitely be a lock in there Terry Bradshaw Jim Kelly Steve Young Troy Aikman Roger Staubach Warren Moon Ken Stabler Dan Fouts, Joe Namath Kurt Warner Bob Griese. That's a list again. Who's who? Yes, More wins than all those people but he also lost those game. It's like yeah. Well the last six years he's been surrounded by trash. I mean that's not even hitting four years. His old-line was the worst o-line in the league. Well it did and it didn't help that. He would just fall down anyone got it within three yards. He had that man optic he had that he had that Manning White Flag. He had that Manning White Flag in the in the pocket like yeah, you can get a sack dude. I am out of here. And then sometimes they would do the Manning white flag. When the guy maybe wasn't going to get them which can look bad but you gotta look at the durability of the Manning brothers. Yeah the durability and that's what Tom Brady. This was. So impressive about Tom Brady as well the durability of these dudes to play a position where you take some massive shots, and this is just what I talked about with Ty Hilton where T Y Hilton is an undersized wide receiver. The only time he gets hurt his whenever it's a muscle or an ankle or something like that. It's never because he takes a big shot. He has this ability to know when he should kind of get down or get out of bounds in at the beginning of his Career, a lot of people came after him said he was soft like always forfeiting on that and then as he starts stacking up Seasons, it's like oh this guy was looking out for himself. The man in White Flag is very much the same thing. They know that the best ability is availability durability is a good thing to have but I just want to be able to play the next play and if I look soft for a second, at least I'm back on the other side of it to throw the helmet catch another incredible iconic moment that Eli Manning was a part of I mean just more and more like all-time consecutive start streaks Brett Favre. 97 fill Rivers 224 Eli Manning to 10. Yeah. Terrible you're looking. Hey, sometimes you can get posterize when you go up to try to block people. Sometimes you're going to look soft whenever you decide you want to be the most available quarterback in history. You know, I think sometimes you're just gonna have to fall over not take a massive shot from Human that is very big running very fast attempting to he played during the era Whenever there were ripping quarterbacks. Yeah, they're back. They're ripping quarterbacks heads off and that was actually taught like hey, you hate quarterbacks and you don't talk with him to the ground you tackle them through the ground. That was a real coaching point back in the day, you know, I survived all that one a bunch of times I think is Walter Payton man of the year to come times. I mean, he's he's for sure are the other two quarterbacks in that draft Hall of Famers who's out Phillip Rivers and Ben Roethlisberger. I And Roethlisberger gets in Philip Rivers. I'm not a hundred percent. Sure. No way. No way Phil gets in rather others Burger doesn't get him first ballot, by the way, because of how he acts off the field Ben Roethlisberger will get in kind of down the down the line a little bit. Don't be like it's not gonna take long. Uh, I think it will be you gotta remember off the field outside of Pittsburgh, Ben. Roethlisberger is not looked at as like a like he's never talked about his this Elite quarterback, which he is by the way, like even whenever we played against him whenever I was listening to like on Wednesdays we'd have like team keys to beat a team and we be playing the Steelers. They would always talk about like a Le'Veon Bell is this guy this guy named Roethlisberger, then nobody ever talked about him. Like he was like Aaron Rodgers like Tom Brady like Drew Brees never and then he would put up like 55 points against us on a consecutive like consistently he would do that and then he would throw for 300 yards on people out of nowhere 400 yards win Super Bowls to win Super Bowls. It's like he is this Elite quarterback, but the reason why he never gets put into that, Conversation is because all the stuff that happens off the field now, I'm not talking about the allegations and accusations. I know I'm talking about him throwing his wide receivers under the bus on a day on a weekly radio show. Well apparently maybe he was right and doing that to some wide receivers on the team. Well, that's my biggest problem is when he did to a rookie, but I don't think that's the wide receiver you are referred to currently watching the pro bowls skills challenge thing. So, I'm sorry. I'm interrupting but I do have to tell you that Precision passing thing that he has BN does is awesome. They need to set that up somewhere and let folks come through on that for charity stat. All I did while watching these dudes throw balls at little targets was wonder how many points I can put up. I'm sure I'm not the only person to thought that not a great look for Lamar Jackson, but let's assume he's very good at throwing footballs because of how good he did this past season. DeShaun Watson didn't do great till late Kirk Cousins had a All day though Kirk Cousins was spinning it Russell Wilson, nothing but positivity radiating from the guy spinning it Jarvis Landry Davante Adams also did well, I mean, I like this Pro Bowl skills challenge. I think they should put money up for grabs for the guys though. I think they would give a lot more effort. I like the entertainment level of this though. I think this is what the Pro Bowl should be a little bit more of it. I think we should have outright races and stuff. I like what you're doing though. I like to try to spice up the coverage a little bit. I can respect it. You know what else? I like it's something that has come into our life in more recent history. Okay. There's guys that are around me on an everyday basis that are whiskey drinkers. Okay, that's what they are wherever they get to drink good whiskey or different whiskey they enjoy the hell out of it. 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Change of pilot up a little bit say something delicious smoothies athletes I've ever seen in my entire life host of the everything DB podcast dairies Butler just turn the camera a little bit towards your right shoulder bum bum there. Yeah, perfect. What are you doing? All dressed up right. Now? What are you making another billion dollar move over there, and I'm trying to man. I'm trying to get like you man. I'm up here in New York. Rockefeller Capital right. Now are you serious? Well, yeah. I'm in here and somebody's office. They let me use your office for this call. Hey, I'm happy with mine. I hope you make a billion dollars that will be your office someday. Let's move forward with some topics your big basketball player. I've always said after watching you play basketball that have dairies Butler wanted to make it into the NBA. He probably could have done that. You see Zion Williamson last night. I assume what were your thoughts of them? And how much do you hate coach Alvin Gentry like me, you know, I don't hate him. Man, you got to look at the big picture. Take care of the guy that get that game meant absolutely nothing on the on the big on the big on a big scale didn't mean anything. I was glad to see him get out there and start off shitty obviously and then that fourth quarter hitting those threes like it was it was it was some lot of movie. I would love to see him come back and hit a buzzer beater for the win but got to take care of the kid. I think they should have told him like Hey, this is your Castle. Here's the keys pal you do whatever you need to he looks scared that first quarter when he got it. He looks Every time he got the ball, he just looks scared. I mean he has been a while man. It's been a while since he's been out there and it was his first one at home. It was a big moment for the kid, but he showed up as a gamer. He's always been a gamer from day one. Should I I know I'm excited for the future. Maybe he's got I think I'll lose some weight, but I'm definitely excited to meet you. So I don't want to blame there's there's a lot of body shaming going on last night about Zion on the cast will talk about it. Let's move forward now everybody's wondering what's going to be harder to defend the einar's physicality or the Chiefs speed right at the statement is speed kills matchups. That's what everybody says speed kills match up speed kills matchups. Do you think the Kansas City Chiefs offense with all of the weapons will be able to withstand the physicality of the Niners defense and if they do how do they go about doing it? It'll be a little bit. It'll be a good game in strength vs. Strength, but I got to go with the deacons. Therefore you're not as deep since there are two to physical in front and your best bet against the I like my homes and those weapons are to just rush for and get in get in get after the quarterback before and San Fran can do that better. Anybody else. Would D4 back healthy boson other side all those first-round picks up front and on the back and they have a lot of speed and Talent on the back end as well. Those guys were well well coach some, you know, kick kick. The Vikings ass kicked Packers are like they're well coached her healthy. So all my I still believe it defense wins championships, so I got it. I got it. To take the 49ers with that strength does everything take through the defensive line. I think obviously everybody's life gets easier way if you can get pressure on the quarterback, but it feels like that D line is just something that is special in its disco especially and they built it the right way it took time. Obviously they suck for a while. So they got a lot of hot pics and they use them they use a lot of them on it on that on that front and it's and it's paying off for him. They obviously ended up with Jimmy Garoppolo in the trade and then getting both the last year that the to pick and what this unit at the number two. I mean on the back end it makes things a lot easier and as guys in the secondary, so now if we can only rush for now, we have an extra guy that can be over the top of Tyree got a guy that can help on Kelsey, you know, if we have to get V up to send five or six to get pressure on and then now we're kind of exposed on the back end. So you want to kind of having a good for just like the Colts back in the day when they had Matheson freemium no coming off the edges and you know, the other teams probably down 14. Dean and the second half and trying to battle back and drop back and past like, you know guys are going to Russia s and I don't think Casey has a good enough Run game to you know, basically keeping - so long. We'll see. Okay that ghosting me reference had Peyton Manning quarterback bill polian is idea was we'll spend the money on the offensive side of the ball and on defense side of the ball will feed franey and Malthus will get a lead and then we'll let those to eat. There's another Manning obviously, it just retired yesterday Eli Manning retires yesterday now the conversation this morning is is he a Hall of Fame? This guy's a hundred and Seventeen wins a quarterback in the NFL to Super Bowl wins, and he was able to do it in New York City with at the end of his career a lot of terrible. I think decision makers around him. What are your thoughts on Eli Manning's career? And that question is is he a lock for the Hall of Famer not I think he's a lot. Hey don't beat you'd be Tom Brady and Belichick twice in the Super Bowl. I mean that that that that that puts you in my opinion. It should obviously you can see his career a hundred and Seventeen and In like it's you know typically lime and I guess it's not but it actually ended that way but uh, I mean he had a great career 16 years long time to play all long time. He was pretty healthy for the most part yet. They ruin the street was freaking I want to go back to that. But I hear you know, they gave they gave me he went out the right way, you know, I love this career, but he's got to be a lot got to be a lot has to be I think so too, especially because he was able to handle it as the face of a franchise. New York City, I think that just tightens everything up even more. I mean honestly, I think that is not an easy thing to do. I'll be excited to see how Danny dimes handles it all as well. Just as he comes from this look like same godmother. They are honest. They really do exact same kind true same facial expression same are they need? I'm just a little bit more athletic. I think obviously yeah, probably yeah, let's not bury you I mean take it easy on the guy. Hey Darlin South Florida. There's a real situation cooking with Antonio Brown. Real situation. I mean it is it is a different level right now. And I don't know if you're at the Patriots when Aaron Hernandez was there not but after watching that are you were yeah, I was that so it's crazy. I know I knew Aaron since he was like 15 because I went to school to go to brother DJ and so are you sexually come up in the Summers and like work with us? Because he was obviously a beast in high school so used to work with us, so I knew him knew his family. Well, I was his brother went to college together play. We stayed there five years Captain has two years ago either and now I'm still still have a good relationship. So at that was a tough tough tough situation to see you then he gets drafted to the Patriots his rookie year and you know, we're teammates. Oh, it was crazy to see, you know, see him kind of spiral out of control kind of be around the wrong crowd and you know, she just really really were left. Did anybody in the locker room know that he's potentially leading this life outside of the locker room, or was it two very Separate Lives? I think it was very surprised. I was only with him for one. Year, you know in the league but you know in rookies, you know, he was he honestly it was probably one of the hardest working guys, you know, I've played with you know, always wanted to do extra have to practice get better. But you kind of you know people who have their own lives on the field, but that's something you would know. It's a lot more guys that I played with and I would expect it and living that type of Life off the field before I expected from Hernandez. So I was that was that was wild. That's what I said that whenever the documentary I just watched a documentary. Have you watched a documentary on Netflix yet? The idea, what are your thoughts on it? You know it was they they got a lot of good information and good interviews some guys. I didn't really see the point in being on there like the offense line from the pages. I don't think it was any point from the Beyond I agreeing but a hum maybe it was because he was trying to show like how hard it is and how hard how hard people try to hide their sexuality while and I didn't fully see every conversation I've had with people in the NFL by the way every single yet about that documentary. Have said the same thing. They're like have no idea where that guy was in. Yeah, I didn't see the point and they kind of you know went in a lot on the any other guy. He's talking about, you know their relationship, right? You know, I just don't like that type of stuff but obviously the other things the incident I've seen, you know, the people want to see the people want to know the information and I learned a lot honestly I didn't it was a lot of things that I didn't know that I know wood wood wood wood, you know, fuck anybody's mind up outside of football. Can't say that one person with dementia and how you have this conversation about concussions. And now there's an attack going on on the original Will Smith Doctor that did the CT thing. Do you think there's a potential tie? To brain health with what's going on with Antonio Brown right now and I don't want to get into any around any excuses. I think he's acting very insane right now. He is not acting a normal person. It is his job to take that into reins in his friends to do that. But after seeing what happened to Aaron Hernandez, I think I'm a lot more conscientious to the fact that like Gil Antonio Brown might really be going through some real problems inside of his head right now for sure and and honestly, you know, he I know other people You know that that has played a game played football that are struggling, you know with some mental things and you saw Mr. Shaun get out there and talk, you know, take a chicken take care of your mental like that's real, you know, because those hits and I think it you know, a compounds that when you're going through other life things and you know, once again not surrounded by good people or not take any know either heeding the advice of the good people that you are around the kind of vodka them out. So it's sad to see and it's one of those situations where you see it we've seen You know spiraling out of control. We saw kind of for a while, you know, he was such a great player. I'm sure a lot of people, you know, let him get away with a lot of shit and that's done a lot of things. Sorry. So a lot of things and so on that kind of want you kind of feel like Untouchable, you know, you feel like going to God live on the sense and then, you know, once your humble once you're grounded it's a long long fall from the top and I think a part of that is, you know, like you said, maybe some football things apart of it is you know it Attention seeking I think or you know, he's you know was so high on the mountain and now he's kind of almost, you know, because you know, the game goes on, you know, regardless of how however you know, good you are the game goes on so he's he's good. He's dealing with a lot less sad to see ya. It is very sad to see I don't like I actually got along with Antonio Brown in the because he was literally the most devastating punt returner in the game on top of being this incredible washer and he was a new man. He was a he was an absolute nightmare whenever he was a punt returner and it I doubt and it is sad to see this all happened. I think he's going to jail today. He's gonna end up in jail by the end of the day very sad to hear. I mean, it's sad to hear ya. I hope he figures it out man, you know, obviously I don't want anybody going to jail, but no maybe just sitting there for you know, however long you figure some things out get some real help and you know, hope he bounces back. All right. Well, I can't thank you enough for joining us. Everything DB is the podcast he breaks through things. Hey brakes on the secondary of everything. I think the fact that you like the Niners kind of scares me a little bit because one of the smartest football players have ever been around I Amber the Chiefs just yesterday, but that's neither here nor there. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. It's a sad scene man. It is sad scene and at some point everybody just gives up and goes. Well, he has to take care of himself. It's like I agree but man it feels like he's isolating himself. From humans in his house. He's doing all this stuff. It's just absolutely sanity. I mean there is always stories like with his talent why he had to go to Central Michigan and why he fell in the draft and things like that. But if it was this bad the entire time with the Steelers anyone not have been it's not been that something has had to have escalated retract. It had there's always something there probably with a be but it's much much worse now than it was ever in the past. Well, let's hope he gets it taken care of. And what point are they going to start is that is the narrative going to turn to like he needs help as Post like oh is this guy ever gonna play in the league? Again Rich Eisen Rich Eisen and to Rich Eisen discredit asked a very difficult question through a DD. I believe it was it was one of the NFL Network reporters to ask Drew Rosenhaus after the interview was done. They threw to an interview on location with Drew Rosenhaus and she has his full interview about roses body and turn around Antonio Brown is just worried about getting on the football field right now and working to prove himself as a member of society blah blah blah and then she All right, that's it from here back to you. Rich and Rich goes no. No, will you ask him if Antonio Brown who's mentally healthy or not and everybody like laughed about it? And I think the internet even said like that's a rude question to ask. I think that's a real question that has to be asked absolutely at this point. You can't be thrown away this much stuff in your life and not have something completely going wrong. I mean, he's getting a lot of attention for it. I guess it's each thing seems to kind of escalate from the previous thing. So I don't like it. I don't like it one bit. I don't like it one bit enough with the bags of penises if you want to rap. The rat so sorry to interrupt. 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Because I knew what we could do and if we decided to just come together what we would be able to accomplish all of a sudden turmoil here and their conversations going back and forth and we had to answer those questions instead of focusing on what we needed to do in order to get back to where we were the headline read during the sky. There was more I assume there's more in this interview. Those are a couple excerpts quotes from the interview bleacher report's untold stories. Donovan McNabb did the headline read basically that Tio was the reason the entire team fell apart and that there was no Success that was kind of the headline that was being drawn from this Bleacher Report untold stories. I reach out to Teo and I asked and actually I reach out to Terrell Owens. I did Tio and Tara wants to different people Tara homes actually told us that TOS his character on the field. He's this person who can be everything do everything Terrell Owens is person. He said Tio. He said Terrell Owens what this was like a year or two ago when we interviewed him. He said he finds that are Owens has to defend Tio on a regular basis, but they're both good people this because someone goes on so I reach out. To him I said hey, I heard Donovan McNabb said some things. Would you like to come on the show and chat about it? Just trying to do my do doing due diligence as a sport. He said actually here you go. He said people want to bring up old stuff. They want to bring my name up to make themselves relevant again. I'm a good person. I was raised right? I have no criminal records. No sexual assaults and or accusations no DUIs, but yet the overall perception has people questioning my character. I am a strong-willed person and can handle it all just like I did when I Played but I will clap back to defend who I am in my character people have hopped on that bandwagon that I was a bad teammate for years. But I've never heard of one player publicly come out and say that I was a bad teammate or agree with the narrative that I destroyed the locker room other than Donovan McNabb. So that's Terrell Owens exact response to that. You can learn more for on get your popcorn ready. Bye Tio and hatch hatch. That's a podcast that Tob dropping soon where I assume he'll dive deeper into that. That was his initial quote to me about the whole thing honestly, I think I I had that view that Terrell Owens was a bad guy and that he he was always a distraction all this stuff because I think that was the narrative that was painted To Us by everybody. Now, I think social media kind of has taken that out of the world that we live in back in the day. The only things that we heard about people were through media members that wanted to tell you things right you never heard about punters never heard from me. You never heard from kickers. The only time you heard about kickers and punters was from broadcasters that knew nothing about kicking and punting but Everything said about it was gospel. You never heard about stories about people doing bad things unless they wanted you to hear those stories. They would hide other stories and display other stores and it's not lying. It's just picking and choosing a narrative that they want you to believe about a certain person happened to Jay Cutler a lot because he didn't have a great relationship with the media. They decided to show him at his worst moments when those moments were potentially happening to other people. They were just choosing not to show you that because they wanted the image painted in a certain way. The Tio image that was painted for a long time was this attention-starved. Veuve athlete that could never get out of his own way and was a cancer to a locker room that is literally The Narrative that he was painted about him by almost everybody on television almost everybody then once I got a chance to meet him not only in person but on this show and then you meet teammates of his that say like, I love playing with Tio he pushed me to become a better player his work. Ethic was incredible. Once you start hearing these things about him come out you go. Wait a minute. I don't know what to believe in the fact that these Donovan McNabb Terrell own stories are still surfacing here in 20/20 with bleacher report's untold stories. I don't like that. This is happening again to Terrell Owens. I think he's been on the right path of doing things the right way now granted his choice not to go to the Hall of Fame and instead do it at his college is going to be one that many people are going to disagree with but I think if you look what Terrell Owens is done in the last like what five ten years I think most of it has been very positive and something that you would want to be friends with in a part of and when stuff like this comes out, it's always going to bring out the conversation. He was a bad dude. You're right outside of the Hall of Fame stuff. It feels like anytime. His name is brought up its him defending himself on some guy who's just saying he was a terrible teammate a cancer in the locker room. Like he has by and large minded his own business and kind of just done him. By the way. I still got it. I watch them in a softball game jump over a guy in gland on third base. It was unbelievable. I I was like damn look at this guy. He's still got still an athlete. I think he'll always be very confident himself which could rub people the wrong way regardless. I think you should should be in all he is and all of them should have been in all family. I think he is a great player but after meeting His teammates that played with him and chatting with him like almost feel like, you know, they're like hard worker guy that made me want to be better and stuff like that. You never heard those stories whenever he was in the league and I think if those stories ever got out while he was in League this potential narrative that happens in pops up every time something negative is said about him. They literally any time he does anything. It just gets popped up and turn our face if those stories were being told I think it's a little bit different narrative about Tara who also didn't he play in that Super Bowl with a broken leg Yeah. I was about to say I do came back after like 12 days on a broken leg. To play in Super Bowl is a good teammate now. It was out there hurt. Am I saying this because their loans is come on the show and you know gave us a really good interview and let me ask him about everything possibly but I think it's because I know a little bit more about him than most people do that speak about them. Like I actually met him personally. I've got a chance to talk to him. He's giving great conversations to us about the things he's talked about those things get your popcorn ready with Tio and hatch. I'm excited to hear him kind of expand on that. But that is the difference between modern day. Mm back in the day back in the day. The narrative was controlled by those who were given a platform by a big Network now with social media kind of cut that person out they can still have their spin but this person is going to clap back immediately be like nah. Nah. Nah, well you just said is a complete falsehood blah blah blah that didn't happen back in the day what you were told was gospel. And so you were told otherwise it was more of a ignorance is bliss type world. Now, it feels like we know too much about too many things, but I think if more stories would have came out door back. To then by the networks if they wanted to put it out that Co was a good guy hard-working guy help his teammates actions and her statements. I think this narrative is much different one personally team hate to interrupt again. I do I hate it because I normally there's good shit going on. You know, I assume something really good was just being talked about in some of the Great's coming on the other side. I promise you that. But I have to tell you that your credit card probably gives you one percent cash back. But what does your bank account give you most banks give you point one percent apy interest on your savings, but you should be earning more than that with the wealthfront cash account. You earn more interest on your savings. 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Thought if we know Joe Burrows going number one, we know Chase young probably going number two, maybe to a girl's number three the conversations and debates have to start now so that we can continue them into the as one particular executive from The Zone says a dry take land from its real dumb the conversation of Joe burrow and Chase young is just getting started, right? Who should you take? Who should you take Chase Young Ohio State Buckeye Joe Borough formerly, Ohio State Die Cincinnati Bengals bomb team in Ohio. Although they had a lot of winds not too long ago could never really get over the hump. They bring in a new coach and they try to win and they stink worse than a team that everybody thought was going to try to lose their too bad place right now. They don't have an indoor practice facility former greats of the game retired from there because they just didn't want to be associated with the franchise anymore. And nothing has changed in the front office department since those days. So to think that this team could potentially trade away the face of their franchise. Or at least the next 15 years in Ohio stud in Ohio star a kid that went from throwing 16 touchdowns to 60 touchdowns because he ran an NFL style offense instead of a college style offense to think that this guy who seems to be cool and all situations that guy that loves Ohio a guy that would relish the opportunity to turn around the Bangles to think that the Bangles would choose not to pick that person is something that the Bangles could do. Nobody would be surprised if they did but honestly complete buffoonery for anybody else with a brain outside of the Bangles. Innovation to even talk about you take Joe burrow and you ride that burrow wave for the next 10 years. There's going to be some bad times early. I assume that teams not just going to turn around overnight, but he's the guy that has grit he's a guy that has talent. He's a guy that has a mentality that you want to have a quarterback in jail Burrows going to take them to places that the Bangles have never been unless you plan on taking Chase young and tanking for Trevor Lawrence. You take Joe borrow so he would take jobber over Trevor Lawrence. Are you take Trevor Lawrence over dribble not after that national championship. - that's what I'm saying. So then you're tanking for a guy that you could have this year. What if the Dolphins offer all three of their first rounders for the number one, you take it you take that. Thank you have to do don't you? Yeah, and then you just become the Bangles in perpetuity you forever. You're the best you get to it you get to it five and then you have Andy play out his last year of his contract and then to it takes over in the Andy Dalton posted a photo on his Instagram of him smiling. I'm happy to see that because Andy Dalton has been a victim of circumstance there at the Goes for the last few years people forget Andy Dalton winning quarterback in the NFL winning quarterback somehow some way. There's something it was mentioned the other day in my Twitter because a couple Chicago blogs posted my my quote. I mean I was making fun of Zito during the quote, but they took that out of the conversation and just put my words. Yeah. I mean it kind of put me in a bad spot. But I mean, I mean, it's still kind of believe it we said this last year. We thought that the Bears should try to make a move for Cam Newton last year whenever it was Kyle. Allen and will Grier and that whole thing was happening Christian McCaffrey became the face of the Panthers and Cam Newton was just sitting down there. I thought that the Bears you make a move for Cam Newton. I still think they should potentially make a move for Cam Newton or another quarterback what was mentioned in my mentions after that quote was just pulled and put into place there by a couple of blogs Andy Dalton potentially ends up at the Chicago Bears Andy Dalton gets moved out because they have Joe burrow and then the Bears potentially pick him up as a quarterback, whichever rather have Andy Dalton or Mitchell Chbosky, I would hammer. He handsome ginger 10 times out of 10 over mr. Chemerinsky, and he don't let me know question before this year. His record was 6850 lot better than a lot of football players out there. He went on to win like nine games straight for like three years in a row or something Andy Dalton in the Cincinnati Bengals. You gotta remember this is a place that doesn't have an indoor facility in Cincinnati, Ohio. It's not just the fact that they don't have an interval. So we think about that think about that. It's there's a lightning you can't what are you you'll practice in the gym. Like right. Well, we got delay practice five hours today because I mean that's just something you have to for Andy Dalton to be as successful as he's been able to be at the Bangles and I think by the way, we should get Marvin Lewis a lot more gratitude for being able to win their I don't think that ever gets counted for I mean never in the playoffs. Are you hate them, but it is one of those things where that Bangles franchise seems like maybe a doomed franchise and they were able to win a lot of games there for a while with a lot of players that not a lot of other people wanted Pacman Jones was there nobody else wanted him. He went to the Pro Bowl couple times and he does Want to the Pro Bowl couple times they had teams over there who spends ottawa's over there for a little bit. Vaughn says perfect. Excuse me. I'm sorry. Are you okay? Thank you blushy appreciate the question vantes perfect was an affair. I mean they had a lot of players there for a long time and they were able to win games in spite of the Bangles themselves. But Andy Dalton is a guy who could potentially move but it may be him sitting in front of two or four-year. Just like we're think it was Ryan Fitzpatrick said and having to sit behind him for a year. I think to a sitting getting healthy behind a veteran quarterback is a good idea. I think Andy Dalton is a guy that he could sit behind him learn from them become better yet mean that organization AJ ground AJ Green At this year because they had to go practice on some Mickey Mouse field that real. Yeah, that's see. This is 2020 the NFL has been making billions and billions of dollars for a long time now and it's an agreement about all of them make money. Like if you if they sell know Bangles jerseys, they still make money off of 30 other teams merchandise. Now the Cowboys Jerry Jones has negotiated his own deal where he only pays himself, which is hilarious that he's been able to Do that but everybody else has a licensing agreement together. So they're still making money regardless of how good their team is regardless of how many stars they have our jerseys they sell or tickets easily. They're still making money because the league is making money off these TV rights and they still have yet to really be a professional operation and that to me is hilarious in 2020 that the other owners haven't gone like a menu you kind of stink at your job. Like, is there any way you can maybe hand off the power to somebody else and they can do it the brown family's like absolutely not we're Run these Tigers right into the ground if we possibly can and that's what they'll do. I think they'll do that until they can I'm happy John Burroughs go in there though. I think Joe Broz going to be good bangle the right spot for he's got a face against Lamar Jackson a skinny Ben Roethlisberger and maybe a new Baker Mayfield with Kevin stefanski is the AFC North all of a sudden the most electric division in football after seeing Baker at that fight. I don't know. Who's who's bigger Hammer been like, oh we are not a body shaming show Tony. You hear me? I didn't wasn't body-shaming. Well, there's In a lot of body shaming last time Bobby said that fat been is a better bet week because he's more Carefree been he's happy there how to stand back there and take that guy just bounce off. Okay? Okay. I can't thank you enough for choosing listen to this. You can listen to a lot of other stuff and you choose to listen to this and for that I thank you. I hope you have the greatest weekend of your life big things dares Butler for stopping by big thanks to all the boys at the office were making this week happen. I can't thank you all enough. 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Just wanted to take a brief moment to give you guys a little idea how we do it here at paddle and fin podcast. We use the anchor dot f m-- recording platform super easy distributes our podcast too many many different platforms. There's creation tools to allowed you to record and edit podcast right from your phone or a computer check out anchor dot f m orDownload the free anchor app to get started. Welcome. Hello, and welcome back to the paddle and fin podcast. I'm Brian. This is rickets. And tonight you guys. We are bringing you one Epic guest he's part of the bona fide kayak Team part of the yak attack team. Actually. He's the owner of yak attack and bona fide. We got Luther Cyprus with us tonight, true innovator in the sport, and we're super excited to sit down and chat with him. So Luther welcome to the show. Hey, what's happening guys? Thanks. Me on yeah, absolutely man. Absolutely. So like we start with all our guests and I think this is going to be an interesting one. How did you get into the kayak fishing world? Well, I've been fishing Mama pretty much my whole life since I was a kid and I had a buddy that basically we used to go. We had a bunch of guys that we used to get together go to the Outer Banks once a year kind of a you know guys are tree just get away from everything, you know fish for a few days and one of the things we would always try to do at least one night is go shark fishing. Okay, so, you know, it was early on it was the piers and then some of the peers didn't allow that so We started from the serve but one of my buddies, you know through forums back then this is like 2006-7 somewhere in there. It's all that a lot of guys were using kayaks to get baits out. Okay, so he picked up a ho be out back in right before one of our trips and we went out there and we used it to drop some baits, you know, it was cool. Everybody ended up taking it out on the ocean and playing around it. Nobody really fished out of it, you know at the time. it was obvious that you could fish out of it, but it wasn't the purpose that it was really bought for and we didn't really know that there was a thing called kayak fishing but a couple of years later maybe a year later that same buddy calls me up and he's like, hey, man, you remember that that kayak that I got and I'm like, yeah, he's like Well turns out there's a there's a kayak fishing club nearby and you know start official emits a lot of fun, you know you really ought to do To get a boat and this is you know, it's my buddy Bob and Bob's done a lot of different things. He's a you know, he's got a lot of experience a lot of different things he had before that, you know scuba diving. He's the dirt bike shoes that a bunch of different stuff and I you know financially and otherwise I couldn't keep up with all that, you know what I mean? So, you know, it's the same thing with Scooby's like, you know, you should check this out which I'd love to get into one day. You know, it's a super cool thing to me, but I you know No, I already love fishing sure and it was an easy sell. I was like, you know what this looks this looks cool, you know, so I went and bought a kayak for about next River Company and a couple weeks later. We went out and and fish and Chesapeake Bay caught a couple of fish and you know, I decided really after the first fish that I was going to get my son one. Okay, he was probably 14 ish at the time something like that 1314, so I got him one. We started catfishing and that's kind of how it all started. Very cool man. Very cool. How many kids do you have by the way, I've three 3 two daughters and a son then. Yep. Okay. We're I will touch base on this later, but I just watched the yak attack Vlog last night and I definitely wanted to talk talk with you about that because I thought that was really cool. And you know your it was your daughter that kind of did the whole Vlog, right? Yeah scenario. She she did an incredible job man in it seems like it is are all your kids involved in yak attack and bona fide or they all kind of just doing their own thing. Well, it's a you know, it's a family affair in that, you know, I was on the phone with my son for a half hour tonight and you know, it's always a topic, you know what I mean? So it's a family affair in that respect Tyler. He went to Virginia Tech and and got his industrial engineering degree and he's been In the last few years working in turning and now working for some of the kind of Fortune 500, you know larger companies to gain experience. You know, one thing is Tyler is a lot like tolerance and re actually they have pretty much a mirror images of my personality type. Okay. We're very independent. Okay, so, you know tellers out there so it is those doing this thing learning, you know. No, you know I think working when you're super independent like that working for a parent, especially when you're younger. It doesn't even you know, instead. Are you told me this was that she's like actually is a good story. So, you know the kids I was like, well I can either you know pay them like a minimum wage or whatever they're worth of the time sure this employees or I could pay him a little bit more and teach them to be responsible. For simulator and things like, you know their own expenses, you know, you know things that they wanted but didn't need you. Yeah, so opted to pay them a little bit more at the time than they were worth it then they really deserve but at the same time expected more of them at home, you know, as far as their personal finances and she told me one day she said just she said I want to get a job and I said you have a job. She's I want to get a different job and I was like, okay why she's like well working for you it does it feel like a real job. I'm like why not? She's like, well, we don't really get in trouble if we don't come to work or not. And you know, we know that you're always going to be ok with whatever we do. It's just like an honestly you pay us too much and I was like, I could fix all of that right now. Yeah. Tired of production many and I honestly appreciated that I mean yeah here she was and what she was saying and it's a conversation Tower and I've had as well is I want to be responsible for something. You know, I want to make my own way. I want to feel like I'm deserve what I get and I want to I want to work for something and I want to know that if I accomplished something it's because of what I did not because of who I am sure and you know, they were pretty young at the time. Maybe they've been helping since they were little little Kids, but it's set that tone for how it's been ever since, you know eye doctor paid other what they were worth and I said you don't report to me anymore because I just hired a production manager. I'm like you report to Danny and after that did he manage their schedule? He managed them because that's how I really should have been at that point and that's how it's been ever since so, you know, so Tyler he's doing his own thing Cindy. Issues working in marketing. Okay, you know interesting story how she how she got that opportunity but and then Taya she's working in manufacturing and she's been all over the place shipping and assembly and you know packaging different things like that. But you know, they all have you know for the two girls that work within the company they each have their own goals and Ambitions Tay is pursuing different things in life. She's not like ready to say. A I'm going to devote all of my energy to try to create a career or particularly a career with us. It's something she enjoys doing she does but she's very musically gifted. She's got other priorities and other thing that she's working on. I'm fine with that. I don't push him one way or another as long as they're living good lives and you know that kind of stuff but Siddharth, I don't know if you well you I'm sure you have noticed the new packaging over the last couple of years. Yeah. So what happened was we invested a lot of money. In a consulting company to come in and give us a concept on packaging they're going to redesign our packaging for us. And I mean, we paid them a lot of money and they came with nothing useful. We didn't eat nothing not a single logo not a single package nothing and we're like, well there goes that you know, we're small business. I mean, we don't exactly have a big pile to go, you know get more from so like well there goes that this will have to wait till next year and so Daria at the time semi committed to work, you know what I mean 17, I guess at the time and you know did a fine job but not not overly committed not overly serious about it and she came to me one day and said hey, do you mind if I play around with the packaging? She's like, I've got some ideas on that. Yeah, that'd be fine. So I taught her any even she had learned it when she was little but it kind of forgotten it but I taught her to evening how to use the design software that we use for products has this functionality called sheet metal, you know, how you can fold sheet metal up in many things. Well, that's how you can make in that software. You can design cardboard. Okay the same way so you lay it out flat you cut it out and then you can fold it up and make boxes or whatever. So we taught her how to use That and try to have used their little laser that we do the engraving on the bottle openers with okay and just it just left her alone for like a month in came and she came you know, and I knew she was tinkering, you know, I thought it was good for her. I didn't have high expectations, but she came back and she was like, I want to show you guys what I've got and John hipster and I looked at it real light. Yeah, buddy, you know, I think at the time She's making nine bucks an hour and she did all of that on on her. I mean coordinated with the vendors with the graphic artist, you know, she did all the mechanical design and then after she was done with that project. We really like it was that she had the you know, it's good that she had the skill to do that, but it was more that she was able to manage it. Yeah managed to create a result. That's what you're looking for. And it would handle that is if I leave you with a certain amount of resources. Can you create a result at the end? So that that her doing that takes that initiative earned her an opportunity in our marketing department where she's growing really rapidly. The Vlogs is a fun thing for her to do but sure look behind the scenes, you know tremendous amount of the social media marketing, you know, she's kind of John's right-hand lady, I guess not sure my right-hand man, but and a lot of the visual stuff that you see for be akattak Suvari works on and then a lot of the visual stuff you see it. I defied she works with Justin Floyd. I'm not sure if you guys met Justin or not. But yeah extremely talented. He's the guy who did The Limited Editions? Okay. But anyway, so yeah, it's it's a it's a family affair and two of the kids work in the business, but it's always you know, it's kind of like It's like the old truck that everybody loves, you know, I mean like not everybody does it but everybody loves it. Yeah, I take that man. I could just tell by watching that Vlog and I was like as I was watching it last night. I'm like man, I got to bring this up tomorrow night with Luther's, you know, your daughter as she was going through she was talking about all the new products and stuff and I'm like, I wonder if she works there because I mean she really knew her stuff. She presented herself. Well, like, you know, I think that's cool man. I mean, you know working. Family, it's like you were talking about it, you know your daughter brought it up that you know, she would you know, quote-unquote like take advantage of you right because she knew you were dad. You were going to let things slide and things like that and I remember back in I was probably 19 years old and I work for my father for a while and you know, I was pulling the same stuff, you know, and it was It was kind of the same deal like it didn't feel like a job. So as you were describing that I'm like having flashbacks and You know, I get it man, but I think it's very cool that you know, and I will say that to just from all the people. I've met from bona fide. I think John hipsters the only one I've met from yak attack, but you know, it's a very family orientated company and I did that and you know, not only that but let's face it. It's made in the USA. I mean what's better than that? So I think that's very cool. Very cool. So but yeah, let's talk some of the new products that came out for I cast so you want to start with yak attack first. I know Rick it is over there shaking in his chair wanting to talk to you about camera arms. So man. I've been waiting like, you know, the ram everybody has the ram boom mounts and stuff. I'm like, I didn't want any of that. I was waiting for your product and I'm like God, please Luther because I need some for the blue sky. I'm like, please dude. Please come out with it this year and then you announce it and I was like kissing. Dude on the mouth now. Thank you so much. Well, I'm gonna take that one. He had the boom stick back when we were working with ram. Yeah, and you know, it was pretty good product. There were some issues with a little bit heavy. Yep. It's a little bit cumbersome to disconnect from the base, you know things like reorienting it rotating it. We're sure be difficult and a little bit too flexible. So, you know, we looked at all of that. We said, you know, let's we had had a good concept there. But let's just do a better execution. That's one of the cool things in the last two or three years of really only selling products that we make and we have control over is we can design whatever we want right you got to meet so we can make it the way we want it and you know go into it. We went to an aluminum tube, so you To have like a PVC tube went to the aluminum tubes like a lot lighter like thinner lot stiffer at the same time. You know that Lock and Load base was just begging to have a camera mount put on it. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. You know, she made some adapters to make that fit and then we tooled up, you know, we looked at and we must have looked at a dozen different types of hammerheads. But you know, you look at most high-end tripods or anything else. It's just hard to be a ball. Yeah, right. So we you know, we tooled up a ball for that now we're super excited about it man. It's brought back the pan fish brought back panfish portrait and brought back to Boomstick and I would say all three are better versions of themselves. Okay? And yeah, we're John's been cheating on me for over a year that we need to get camera mounts out. But we had a lot of other stuff that we had to do as well. But I'm glad glad we finally got those those on. Market, yeah, I know. A lot of people are excited about it. I know the other day I was down at the shop and my man Travis there was on the phone with the akattak ordering some items up and I was like, you know, see if they got any camera arms. I need a camera arm and he's like shut up. I'm trying to talk to this person and he gets off the phone. He's like not till January. I'm like man come on, you know, I was like in a car. I talked to Rick it's that night, too. And I was like, yeah, man, you wait until January bro. Sorry, but no it's super exciting but not only that you guys came out with some some rod holders and stuff like that for like inflatable sups John boats things like that. You want to touch on that a little bit? Yes. I mean, you know if you look at the way that accessories got to paddle Sports, you know, we we started from kayak fishing and you know built products and then they were other companies that had products in the Marine, you know, John Buck type in this tree that were easily migrated into paddle Sports and in the kayak fishing so, you know, they are very similar and the kind of stuff that you need while you're out there on the water and what we're doing is organizing and mounting and holding and attaching Things so very similar things on boats are on kayak. So, you know, we took a look at what was out there on the johnboat side the bass boat side the inflatable sad as far as the application as far as unsub unmet needs that that you know, we thought there were and and in some cases like for the Inflatables it was more about just a lot of people requesting, you know, they're they're they're glue on It's out there but people you know, they really like the that new Mighty mounts which you know, the the the tracks in the body mounts that kind of stuff. So, you know for the Inflatables, it was easy. We see the glue on Mount that we can attach a mighty Mount switch to and then you could put anything yak attack on it. And for the boats, it was cool that said of the skiff right now, but what we what we did there is basically attach them deer tracks and you know rigged up. Same types of things that we would use on kayaks that no doubt that as we get more and more immersed in that market. The customer is going to tell us what they want sure change and you know as a you know, a product developer and as a manufacturer, sometimes the hardest part is knowing which problem to solve as opposed to actually solving it. I think we you know, we've got a team that's very strong problem solvers, but you kind of have to get immersed in those markets where out and you know, Central Virginia or in the case of A bona fide Western South Carolina, you know, we don't run around a lot on skips out here, you know, so well as we get into it will find some reasons to hit the coast and you know do some of that ye also we will build a community of people, you know, and through that know all of the right problems to solve but honestly, the offering that we have right now is immediately relevant on the jon boat side. I mean, I've been fishing out of Jon Boat since I was a kid sure, you know, we - would happen in you know, mm early two thousand teens, like maybe two thousand eleven twelve thirteen all of a sudden all these jumbo manufacturers come out with these extruded gunnels that have tracks built into them, but they're kind of turned the wrong way for the type of stuff that we make in four years and years and years people have tried to use the carriage bolts that they were designed for with the carriage bolts. Like by the time they powder coated the boat. They don't slide very well, okay, or you know adapting all these Different things in the easiest way to put a t-bolt into those tracks is basically to put the head of the T bolt in and then turn it so that it's Crossways so it won't come back out. Okay. Well the problem with that is once you loosen the device of try to slide it back and forth it will pop right out because once it's loose the t-bolt can rotate back in come out the way it went in right and you know, we're looking at that and going. Oh, let's just hold it in that position. You know, we already need a mount, you know that goes on the After you put the team on the track, we need a mount that goes on in. Anyway, what if we make that capture the headed of the T bolt in that angled position and then you can loosen it up slide it all up and down the boat whatever you want to do and there's no way for it to come out. So that's what we took out there, you know how to track her boat out there and took that solution out there, you know something that we've that we thought of patent on I think it's the best solution for those type tracks. That's that's on the market right now, so Yeah, it was cool man. It was a combination of taking things that we already had that just made a lot of sense for those environments. But then you know attaching things to watercraft is is what we do. So looking at those watercraft looking at the features that were already there. And what's the best way we can interface with them. That was a lot of fun for our team. Yeah. I bet man. So I mean was that a vision to get into the bigger boat stuff or it was just a demand basically is what you're saying, right? It's a little bit of both. I mean we've seen people We'll cross it over yak attack stuff to all kinds of articles for several years now. Okay, but I mean at the end of the day, you know, we love kayak fishing. But we're about manufacturing. Yeah, you know what? I mean? We're the the purpose for yak. Attack is to serve a customer base. No doubt about that. But the other purpose the purpose the thing that makes it really, you know near and dear to me and to a lot of people there is to create opportunities for Americans to do something, you know to do something cool and to learn to build and you know, the things that That we do to me. They're important. You know, we can't just be we can't just be consumers. Yeah, right, you know we lose we lose their manufacturing skill set. We lose the ability to innovate, you know, we get we race to the bottom on everything and we export everything we do it or is it rather import everything at some point? I don't think that's a sustainable model, right, you know manufacturing literally in the environment that manufacturing created the people in manufacturing the mentality in manufacturing. It literally changed the course of my life sure, and I'm not just talking about starting these companies. I'm talking about being a 19 year old kid that was completely on the wrong path and kind of mentored towards realizing my Full Potential from being immersed in that environment. That's kind of important work. Yeah. So how do we grow that how do we do more manufacturing? How do we fill up the 68,000 square feet that we just landed? And in Farmville, Virginia, you know, so yeah. This is a definitely a logical step for us in every, you know, every possible way of looking at it and it's still fishing. Yeah, you know to me it's just something I love to do. That's very made. So as a manufacturer how hard is it to keep things in the US everybody Imports seems like and you're very I want everything to be here in on our soil. I mean that's got to be challenging at times right man. I would I would put it to you like this. It's not easy, you know, it's not easy to do anything until you get good at doing it. And I think what would happens these days there's a conventional route, you know, there's the beaten path and people tend to flock towards that beaten path because that quote unquote that's how it's done. Sure. So I think for a lot of companies, it's very challenging to do it in the US and for us in the beginning it was in some ways. It is challenging because competing on price could be tough. But you know at the same time we've gotten really good at it. You know, we can build tooling cheaper than you can get it in China we can do it way faster, you know, we've got employees that really care about what they're doing, you know a if you look at you know, Bona fides two years on the market is starting to gain the same reputation, but let's look at yak attack has been around for 10 years. I mean, you know, our strongest asset is our relationship with our with With our customers whether it's a dealer's of the community, it's almost as important as the products. They know who we are. They know what we're doing. They know we're going to stand behind it. We've got a reputation for doing things a certain way if we have been letting someone else control quality and let someone else control manufacturing and you know bring in stuff over here and just being basically we're Hauser's and Distributors, you know, it's not that there's anything wrong with that but we would have built a very different kind of company. Sure. Let's let's touch on that for a second because You yourself is being the owner president of these two companies. You are very social media active. All right there talking to your customers your I mean no offense to EJ. You don't see Eric Jackson getting on the the Jackson owners Forum, you know replying to customers or you know, just just a random guy. You know it I think that's cool and that says a lot about you and your company Beneath right because that was one thing I wanted to bring up tonight with you was it's I think it's astounding like you already have so much on your plate run into huge companies in the kayak fishing world, but yet you're still on these social media platforms real replying to people was that like an intention or is that just something you do just to just to do it now? I mean in you know, I think actually I think Jackson particularly just you know that Hence there a lot. They're very, you know, kind of engaged connected the community as well. And that's I think really around the sport. There's a lot of companies that that do that I think people see us as it being different because I'm the owner of the company, but in this kit in this case, the company's owned by like regular people that we're not we're not owned by giant Corporation and honestly, it's the same thing with with Jack. Is the same thing with new canoe, you know, there's a lot of small businesses in this and you'll see, you know, you'll see Blake from from new canoe, you know answering questions to do things like that to and and there's activity. So, you know, I think it's just You know, if you if you realize who you work for is just what you have to do when you're as small as we are and I say a small but we're very clear. There's not many steps from a customer to me. Yeah, right. Hey and if a ball gets dropped at one of those or if my own employees are you know other team members are so busy with something that they miss something and we don't know man. I we can't afford to let a customer set there hanging, you know, so. I feel like it's an important part of the job. But the other thing is it keeps me in case my finger on the pulse of what's going on. You know, we can never forget who we work for and who we serve and you know, pretty soon when we're making our own plans based on our own, you know, priorities and needs and whatever and forget about the customer that don't work. Yeah, so sure. No, I I want to stay engaged because I don't think I can make great decisions about how to move these companies forward without really having a finger on the pulse. That's nice. Yeah. I know. I mean kudos to you man. Cuz yeah, I mean, I think that's just it, you know, you're out there interacting. So you're seeing the feedback coming from you know, people that are buying your products and I think you're taking that back home to yak attack and bona fide and then and then bettering the prod products, you know, it's I think it says a lot I mean, yeah, you know, I know you say you're a small company, but it it's cool when you see the owner of these companies reaching out. I buy no way was trying to knock EJ or anybody. I don't know but I know EJ's got people that do reach out from Jackson on those forums and stuff. But I mean, you're the the president and CEO so it's a little different, you know, but I mean I get what you're saying I get where your car is gonna come at. I'm sure there will come a time and I don't know how we'll manage it, but there may come a time where you know, physically just can't do it. Yeah, I think for us it'll just be I'll have to do it a little bit less or I'll just have to say that there's a half hour of each day in the evening that I'd just dedicate to that, you know to make sure but like I said for me it's it's important because we're here to do a job. And you know, I need to make sure that people are taken care of but the other side is how do we make the right decisions to move it forward if we really don't know what our customer our customers, you know are responding or what kind of issues they're having or you know any of that. Sure now and you know what the other side of it? It's fun. Yeah. This is a cool Community. I mean talking about kayak fishing, you know talking about you know stuff that's going it's just it's fun. It's it, you know, you get into something like this because you love you know, you love fishing and you know, then you start kayak fishing like holy crap. This is the best form of fishing I've ever done. Yeah, and then you get to spend the rest of your career talking about it. It worked with people on it and you know that kind of stuff. It's great man. That's awesome. That's awesome. I dig it. Did you guys release anything else at at icast for yak attack to weren't you guys doing something with the Roto Grip or something? I thought maybe maybe now it's better now. That was it was it was mostly the boat mounts, you know, the there's a couple of new adapters for the Lock and Load system turned out a little bit more into your kind of Tinker Toys. So people can figure out different ways of doing different things, you know. Realized that you can't make a product that does everything but if you make the right system people can adapt it pretty well, but they need to have the parts to do it with sure. So you did there was some of that and there are some things that you know, we've got in the hopper at yak attack, but probably not anything major that anybody will see this year. Okay, very cool. Very cool. Boy, it's been kind of curious man. Like so you did some some offshore fishing shark fishing. How did you how did you go from just being an option or fisherman or just a recreational guy to I'm going to make my own kayak products, right so that there's a huge gap right there and I've always been curious about I mean, did you have something fail and you're like, I'm tired of this shit. I want something quality or was it more than that or um, it was kind of not so much heads of the veil, but it in done. It need me me and my buddy Bob, you know here in Virginia one of the things, you know, if you especially with your you know, just getting into it and you want somewhere where you can just go score a lot of fish. I mean schoolie stripers under bridge lights is how you get it done especially back then it's not quite as hot and how is it used to be but so we discovered that and we're going out and fishing the Hampton Roads bridge tunnel out, you know, Chesapeake Bay. A a kind of gets to Hampton area and you know, we're out there fishing and kayaks, but there's people running up and down the bridges and these power boats and you know, we're fishing at night, you know, because you're fishing lights and you know, it's like probably need a light on these things, you know to keep from getting run over the Coast Guard only requires you to in Virginia. You only have to have they called a handheld torch, you know flashlight basically sure, but we're like, you know be nice to have liked it's always up there kind of like you would have on a Jon Boat, so That it started with a need and it was basically a tektite dive light, you know back then the only thing that was on the market took I think two double a batteries you got about eight hours of burn time, which is barely two nights officiate not even two nights of fishing. So, you know, my buddy Bob I told you earlier that he had just gotten out of scuba diving. Well, he had a dive light from a company called Tecna tektite and basically it turned out that the OD of that dive light. It almost perfectly inside of a 3/4 inch PVC pipe, but it had a little like Square part on the side of the didn't fit. So we put it on a table saw cut a cut the groove where the square part would slide in and glued that light in the end of the PVC pipe and there's like, well, it doesn't look too good. So then we read out of one-inch pipe to go around it. So that it trimmed it out. Nice. It's like well, let's put the reflective tape on there, you know put a flag on it and then you know you go fishing. And the guys that the launcher like hey, man, where'd you get that? Zao made it. Okay. Make me can you make me want you know, and it's like literally every time for like three or four trips. It was like Hey, thank you come in pretty soon. I was like six or eight of them that we needed to make and I'm like dude if we're going to do this. We should just start it ll see, you know, and and see, you know, go ahead and make some of these and see if we could find some, you know, never intending for it to do much more than maybe support the habit or give us a reason to write off fishing trips or whatever, but You know it really took off. I mean we did that and started making these things. I called Scott it Scott melee at tektite to try to get pressure volume pricing on these lights and I was trying to get a good price, you know, it sounds wanting to give him some heavy heavy numbers. But I also the you know, so that was the devil on one shoulder the Angel and the other shoulder was like you better be honest with Scott, you know, so he's like how many of these do you think you're To sell and so I took my best middle-of-the-road guess I could and I was like, I think we can do a hundred. I think we'll sell a hundred of them this year. He's like, okay, so gave us a price and we ended up selling 800 of them. Oh crap. So then it was like wait a minute. There's actually a thing here, you know, and in the process of selling those number one, we found everything that was wrong with that product because if you're willing to listen to criticism, you know, it can really really help you sharpen, you know, sharpen your knife. I mean a lot of times customers complain in companies or individuals or whatever just get defensive sure. Not me customers complain that your opportunity. Yeah, he listened to the guys and I appreciate the vocal ones because they're saying what everybody else is thinking anyway, right? So we have some feedback that it was Heavy. We got some feedback that was hard to Stow. We got some, you know, just different feedback. You know, some people said it looked homemade. I'm like, yeah because it is yeah, you know, we had we had some a little bit of of money that we had made from because obviously we weren't paying ourselves anything so we took like six grand and put it into a mold to basically tulip the carbon Pro. Okay, and then the next year, you know, so that first year, I think we did in nineteen thousand dollars or something like that and the next year with the carbon Pro that really took all dealers to sort of respond. And then we did like 60, you know, so it was just like that. It was It was kind of and then about halfway through that next year. Bob had a you know a good paying job. It was starting to consume a lot of our time and we're getting paid for it. So he was like, hey, man, this has been fun. But you know, I'm not I don't want her to really go down this road and which was cool. You know, I totally respected that, you know, I bought him out, you know, it wasn't a lot of money back then but we looked at the revenue we were doing the money we're making and we came up with a fair deal. And you know, I looked at it after that. I'm like man. I think I think this could turn into a real business, but I knew it was a long road. But at the time I was I had a consulting company and I did design work for you know, all different companies so I could meet her my workload just based on how many projects that took so I started I talked to my wife. I was like, you know what I think I can turn this into something but we're going to have to live really modestly for a while. Actually that termite uses controlled starvation. Yeah, we're we're not going to starve, but it'll be on that border. Might feel like I'm reasonably sure we won't yeah. Yeah, it was like that and you know, she's you know, she's like, you know go for it, so That's that's kind of what it was like, you know, and especially with just me being in the business. It's yeah, that's one thing about you know, having partners investors. Whatever is you really worry about other people, you know, you don't worry about yourself as much as you worried about other people out of me. It's just, you know, you're going to be fine. So it was easy when it was just me then it was like, okay I can take the risk. I could stick my neck out I could do you know, whatever and and and that's what we did for those next couple of years and but you know, we shipped the first yeah. Attack product in January of 2009 that we sold we ship some samples before that but I think that's the first one we sold in I started taking a very modest salary in middle of 2013. I think it was so that's how long it took. I mean it was well, that's how it is in the meantime, you know running another company, which I like I said slowly was widdling that down. But every nickel we had extra winning the appetite because once a business starts growing then you have to feed it. Oh, yeah more equipment. You need a fixture you a piece of tool, you know, whatever it is. So, but anyway, that's how it started and then finally around take 2014-15. We just hit that critical mass where it was like, okay, we can make a decent living we still have very modestly, but, you know, we can make a decent living and I let go of the Consulting. And I've been doing this ever since nice all your yak attack products and bona fide boats started with one little light. That's pretty incredible the keep from getting ran over. Yeah, that's pretty incredible man. Absolute best success story. I think I've ever heard man. Yeah. That's it. It's phenomenal. No, I get it. I mean, I you know, I have a small business to and you know, it's I remember when I went to my wife and I was like look, I gotten laid off just because the economy was slow, you know, I'm in the trades and you know. Like you said, you know, you knew you were going to be all right, but you knew you were taking a risk going out on your own and it's you know, and then like you said man every dime you make just goes back into it and back into it and you're like what am I ever going to catch up? And then finally you hit you hit that plateau and you're like, all right. This was a good decision. You know. Yeah, it's if I get its it is funny because people that you know, you know, they're like man you As a ball and I'm like, yeah, but look it and it's the same thing. I tell you know employees. It's the same thing that will my kids my family it doesn't it doesn't matter if it's easy. Yeah, it doesn't matter if it's easy is overrated. Yeah, you know people don't do big things because it's easy people don't do challenging things because they're easy. But it really matters if it's worth it sure, you know really get I know it sounds cliche but you know cliche stick around for generations for a reason you only get one crack at this life thing and you only get so many you only you only get to wake up and punch the clock so many times and then they're gone. So, you know, so I think I think that's something that people always figure out, you know, just talking to older people. Yeah. I'm a philosophical guy. To talk to people about life and things like that and it talked about especially older wiser people. Yeah, and it's something that I think people always realize eventually in life sure and I feel very fortunate to have had a really strong sense of that and still be relatively, you know, so be pretty young. Yeah, so that's that's what this you know that to me that's how this is is, you know, it's like I'm not going to spend my whole life see what I can accumulate. I'm not going to spend my whole life chasing after something for a status symbol or for whatever. People are like, you know, oh, you know, it's cool that you guys are just giant business, but you're really humble. I'm like, well, we're a small business and I don't know that humble is the right word. I would say just real yeah, you know pretty genuine. I mean, we're just doing what we're doing. It's not you know, but it has been really hard and I've got a number of employees that would tell you that but I think for all of us it's been worth it and that and that's what that's what matters. Yeah, I think a lot of people see when You're at now and they just don't think about all the roller coaster rides. You took to get to the point you're at now, you know, it's I get that all the time, you know, and you're struggling go. Yeah roller coaster rides. Yeah public perception. They see too. Well known well respected companies that are pumping products out now bona fide, you know, and they kind of see that they're like, ah, man, he's got a man. He's Rich. So I mean he's selling all this stuff. You know, he's Rich. He's Rich. He's successful. They don't understand that right? They don't understand the sacrifice and and you're not rich your business may be rich but you personally may not be you know, because you're sacrificing everything for your business. So it's funny. I had I was trying to show somebody the other night. They were asking about the biggest fish. I've caught on a kayak and it was a tarpon with Jim Salmons. Yeah, so I was like, you know what I bet I can find a picture of video or something. So I went to Google and I I was trying, you know, I went to type in Luther's There's Tarpon. Yeah, I taped it with your favorite in the very first Google suggestion was net worth and I just started laughing. There was a clip in there that I noticed in you were you were setting up the booth side by side with your guys you were putting down the rubber mat floor and and that's something you know, so, you know, I work part-time for a kayak shop, but my main business is I own a hardwood flooring company and I've always tried to be there working with my guys side by side. And I think that says something not only to your employees, but other people, you know looking from the outside in I mean that I was like, oh damn Luther's on his hands and knees putting this rubber mat in so I guess he is he is a stand-up, you know, boss. I mean, you know when your employees see, you know, and you can touch on this Luther I'm sure you see it, you know, you know when you're working side-by-side busting your butt doing the same sweat the same dirty. Work the same work is as your employees man. They appreciate you that much more I think. Yeah, I think so, you know. Again for us it's just every day is just let's get it done. Yeah, you know and it's not that's not Reserve. You know that that characteristic, you know, look I'm a I'm a guy who's a few years into a career in paddle Sports, you know, I you know You look at you know at bona fide our director of Business Development Kelly Woolsey. I mean, this is a guy whose reputation. It's just unimaginable. I mean, he's trying to put a meal on the mat. You know, he He was largely responsible for the Ascension of Confluence when they went from really small to really big company, you know, he's working with us and I'm telling you in a given day a bona fide. It is not an it's not an exaggeration It's Not Unusual to see Kelly myself. Whoever helping to load trucks. Yep. We are a you know, we're legitimately a small business and it's kind of whatever it takes to get the job done and I'm really I feel really fortunate and appreciative to be surrounded by a team. That is likewise. You know, it's it's not just something, you know, putting down tradeshow carpet. It's not just something that you don't usually see President of the company doing you also don't The engineers do it you don't see, you know, the you know, there's a lot of people in the company that you would normally expect it. But right in our team, we're all were all just there to get the job. I got the bona fide factory tour by Kelly Woodsman. And that was the best Tour Ever dude. He's such a coward dude. It is one of the best human beings on the planet. I feel so fortunate to be working alongside Cal. Yeah. He is a good dude, and that's something to man like you got some Some really great people working for you Janine your your secretary don't or I don't want to clean Jeannie Jeannie. Yeah, cuz we're surgery office. She's awesome. Awesome. Yeah. I mean you got some really really stand up cats working for you man. I dig it I dig it. So well, I guess that kind of ties in a bona fide, you know, unless you had something else you wanted to touch on with yak attack. I'm Amber, you know, like I said the most exciting thing going on there now is, you know got got the call it because I'm in South Carolina, you know a lot right now, but we're moving the plant at the akattak. So they're about halfway through that move. So super exciting time for everybody there. I'm looking for I'm going home tomorrow. My daughter's got to play. So I'm going home tomorrow to be there for that and looking forward to taking a quick Loop through A new building. Maybe I'll jump on Facebook and do a quick live and share. Everybody's going on their nice. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, so you guys release some limited edition models of the 127 in the 107. I think it was marketing genius, but I'm digging those new color schemes man. Yeah be cool. I mean that was my favorite one. That was so much fun. I mean, you know, we knew from The Woodsman that people You know, I mean, obviously the nuts and bolts of the sport is what's going to help you catch fish sure, but at the same time, you know, yes the deeper question. Well what is catching fish doing, you know and what it's doing is it's it's satisfying something inside of people, you know, we love to fish we like to go do that. Well people also like to have cool stuff and then I have stuff that they like to look at and that they like to be in and that you know what, I mean, that's part of the experience and I think we re The Woodsman. Open our eyes to that to that component and so we were like, you know what so for you know, I cast as a really early show to be showing a lot of new stuff because dealers are still in the middle of their seat. It's just it's just for our industry, you know, what will why not show new products in May, you know, well, you don't shoot 2020 products are made for reasons. July is really early to be shown during 20 products and for us this year number one. Mage there are no major product releases. We're we're kind of you know, we're kind of digesting the growth that we've experienced over the last two years. But secondly, it's like, you know, how do we have some fun at icast, you know, make sure that we're relevant and I kissed and get you know, give cut satisfied need in the in the industry that that maybe hasn't been and we didn't know for sure how that was going to go. I mean sure we didn't go out there, you know knowing that that it was going to be as You know well accepted as it was but we knew beyond a shadow of a doubt is going to be fun. Yeah. Oh, yeah, for sure and dude that was just in man. He you know, we gave Justin an objective and I'd say we set the bar pretty low and he just knocked it out of the park. You know when he said he was like yeah traction pad guys coming in. You know, we got some stuff we want to show you and I'm like cool man, you know, and I walked in there and I literally like you gave me goosebumps. I'm like, are you kidding me? Yeah, like the whole Black Widow like with the web. I'll do the traction pets. I'm like are you kidding and then he just, you know each boat and you know, just as one of these guys that you know, it's like, you know, we gave him a in and that's what that's the mark of a great artist is you An inspiration sure. It's like okay B-25 Bomber. Yep, put that all of the integration of B-25 bomber in an SS both. That was all just United me. He just he just he's just got that thing that you just run across every once in a while people that have that thing that he's just very visually gifted in very creatively gifted so not to go out there and you know, and then we're like, well, we know there's going to be a lot of product releases a lot of chatter a lot of Buzz so we don't want to get drownded in that noise. So we decided a couple of days out before the show. Let's just go ahead and start dropping these things but do it in a way that people don't know there's another one coming and just just have some fun with that drive from from South Carolina down to Orlando. You know, when we drop that first one in every and it's funny because we got like it's like it's like a caravan, you know, the truck left that morning Kelly and he left a little bit later me and the girls are coming way behind them and Yes, everybody, you know, it's kind of on the first like okay, we're going to drop this thing at six o'clock or whatever it was. And then the phone starts buzzing. So did you see e9n to watch the responsibie for us as a small business how cool see see that man? It's just it's if if the people that you serve don't care about what you're doing. Yeah, it doesn't feel like why are we doing this right now? It's not but when the when the people that you're serving her like this is we love Mike. This is something we want. You know, it's not just about okay, we're going to get the sales. It's also about we did our job. Yeah, you know, we did our job. We should have got cast as something they made our customers happy and that's what we're here to do. So now I mean it was cool. And that is just kept building kept building you consider. I blew all of us away the what how significant response was sure. But yeah, super fun. Yeah and you saw it out. All your pre-order is like really fast, right? I mean there we were over. So before we left that cast. Yeah now, you know, we also, you know, we won't we don't want to do a scenario where it's like well because you heard about it later, you know, it can't get any so we're going to make sure Sure that you know, all of the qualified dealers have an opportunity and then we'll sell some of those really large orders back and everybody know all the dealers are cool with that. They all understand that you know, you know, the two things we don't want to do is want to exclude any dealers and to we need to you know, it's like well, we're only going to make you know, so many know we sold so many is like in the question came up and I was immediately like no We're not reducing the word that we yeah exactly that because at some point in time if we're going to do that. Well Leslie leave it open-ended to begin with right now, but leave it open-ended and that's what we're going to stick to so it's it is hard for, you know people in the company to be like, okay. Well, we'll just we'll just throw those sales orders in the trash like well, you know, this is what you know, this is what everybody signed up for. This is what we came out to offer. So So, it's cool that there is I'll tell you this if you put a limited edition out and nobody wanted them. It doesn't mean anything to own one. Yeah, right, but everybody that ends up with one of these boats. Yeah, I can tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt. Yeah. There's at least two people that want one. Yeah. Oh, yeah, so it's so it's gonna be a cool thing for him and and you know, and of course we're going to continue to offer, you know, really good fishing guy next to, you know to everybody else too, but Doing something like that. That's fun. And that also is really good for the business. That was cool man. Those really cool. Yeah, super sharp to man. That's our our local dealer level and canoe and kayak man. We have people calling us like crazy, you know marks like these boats are hot. Everybody wants something. Yeah. It's the same thing with us hit rock Tom. And I think I think Kevin said he ordered two of each in the 127 s but I think half of them are already spoken for you know, Yeah, I think that's what's going to happen is once we put the notices back out to the dealer so that we confirm with they're going to end up with I think most of those boats will be sold before they hit the dealer. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah people just come pick them up and go away with it. And which is cool. I mean, you know, it's just it's a win-win-win, you know for us. This is slow time of the year, you know, so these boats are going to move in the fall. That's super cool. Yeah for dealers the same thing. Oh, yeah dealers. Consumers. I mean, they're bottom for a reason, you know, they want them the it's fun. It's fun. Everybody's enjoy everybody loves it the guys who end up with them the gals and the guys and gals who end up with them. They're gonna be proud to own them, you know how to means all the way around and that's what good, you know a good free market Commerce. That's what it does. Is it makes everybody went. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I think one of the funniest messages I had from a guy on Facebook reached out. He says, hey man, I'm And one of these special editions, I think it was a wicked. I'm okay. I was like, okay man, it's going to be you know this price any just text back who cares like I didn't care a little bit higher we're going to go to the highest bidder. No, I remember, you know, when we got the woodsmen and it was the same thing. I think by the time we got him we had one last that was in stock and that went in like less than a month. You know, it was the same thing with The Woodsman, which I thought you had maybe posted something like you guys were considering bringing The Woodsman in as like a full-time deal possibly. Yeah. Yeah, you know and it was a it was a it was a question to the industry because you know, it's like we planned on doing it is limited because As we were going to buy all of the components at one time. Yeah, make all the boats at one time ship all the boats and be done with it. But we jacked up the launch there some delays and components and this and that and so they were supposed to all ship before the end of December. We didn't even barely start shipping them until then so then we had to finish shipping the next year and then it's like, you know, and it just the whole thing was kind of jumbled up, but then we realized that people I really want these boats and dealers were asking us. You know, why don't why don't you just keep making us because our customers really like it and the perception for most of the Dealer's was the customers weren't buying them because they were limited their bio because they really like the color scheme. So we're like, okay and I wasn't comfortable because you know is that thing is say what you do and then do what you say, you know, so I was like, you know what I'm just going to put the question out there sure, you know, that's kind of a vulnerable thing to do and it's funny how many Like I've had several people who have given me either direct feedback or told me they heard someone giving feedback that you know, that's pretty unprofessional to be you know, talking so directly with your kite on like yeah. Okay. Well then that's what you deal with you. Yeah. That was cool. I mean, you know, we got we got the answer we were looking for and it was a mix there were a lot of people but there were enough people in really it would have only taken a couple that said look I bought this because of his Limited You cannot go back on that. Yeah, so the woodsman's done, you know carrots okay over and you know, and the other thing is it challenges us to you know, we got to set the bar a little higher now. Yeah, how do you how do you do something better than The Woodsman, you know what? I mean? Yeah, and you know, so Yeah, it's part of me wishes that we had just you know kept that thing going and that we had never done it as limited. But it also it showed us that that is something that you know people respond to it. They like and it's and it's says it's fun so that I mean The Woodsman was the inspiration for what we did at icast this year. Very cool. Very cool. You plan on ever happened like any more mixed color boats. Are you just going to stick with those being limited edition and just Solid colors on all you're both. Um, and you know, we're we don't we Never Say Never I guess, you know, we like the solid colors. I think it's distinct. I think at some point too many Fades too many options of Fades to it at some point. It just starts to blend together sure and I feel like you know, but the bona fide line having that super clean Super bulb look to it in the the in the the parts and the components not getting lost in two colors, you know, I mean, I've been really stand out. I think there's something there at the same time. There's a customer that wants the parts in the components to get lost in the boat, you know, there's people who like to duck hunt out of their boats, they're like to you know, they like that kind of more blending in think so, you know, I don't know. Yeah, but I don't know, you know, I don't know what her win. Okay, very cool right on. Okay, I dig it. I think maybe I know yeah. Whoops. That's great. No, that's super cool. I know we got a here in Bought a Woodsman from our shop and I saw her two recent demo day. She had The Woodsman there and I was like, so I dig in that because I talked to her about the bona fide platform at the Chicago fishing show this past winter and she came in and see we had a Woodsman. I think at the show. I want to thank I don't know either way. She picked one up. She's like, you'll never see me get rid of this boat. I love my Woodsman. I love the color of it. I love the layout. And you know, I was like man cool hand Blues where it where it's at and she's smart. She we had an argument about colors. Let's leave it at that special. Shout out to Heidi Britain. She's a she's a super awesome customer of ours. And yeah, she just loves that Woodsman man. She loves it - that's cool, man. Yeah. Yeah, we dig it man. Yeah, I mean I know you guys were kind of Blown Away by the way that the x 123 kind of came out to right. I mean that boat is really taking off. I know we notice it, you know. Yeah, I mean, yeah, it is a lot of people are like, why would you do a sit inside but I think there are a lot of you know, our our industry has evolved so much in a short amount of time. I mean, this is kind of how you know, it started in and you know it A lot of sit inside kayaks and you know, of course way back when but I mean even in the last 20 years and then you know Anglers more and more lean towards the sit on top because and I think what drove that is, you know, traditionally kayaks a pretty Tippy sure and if you roll a kayak if you roll a sit on top you can roll it back over all the water drains out and you're good to go or if you're you know, a lot of a lot of really hardcore kayak fishing start on the coastal in the coastal area. So you take a big wave in the surf and you know, you're sitting a foot under water and then you know, 30 seconds later you're floating again. I mean, that's the advantage of the sit on top. It's one of the big advantages but kayaks have evolved in especially the Hackett whole that we developed. I mean, somebody said, well, what do you do if you flip it over and I'm like, when's the last time you saw anybody flip a bona fide? Yeah, you know, I mean there are no I would not take this boat in every kind of condition out there. But for flat water lakes, you know, especially like Stumpy legs where you don't want to get home on a Scupper, you know that kind of stuff. It's a great boat and then the fact that you could pick it up and sling it over your shoulder sure, you know, you mentioned scenario who did the podcast I mean, you know scenario is you know, whatever hundred fifteen pounds little girl, you know, and I mean, we during a photo shoot were like, you know, what it would be good to get Siddharth carrying this but you know, she put it up on her shoulder and you know and Walked away with it. You're not going to see that with a sit on top kayak. Right? So the fact that you've got an open cockpit the fact that you have a cockpit Rim that you can set up on your shoulder and then the fact that because the cockpit is cut out all that weight is gone. Yeah, right, you know, so it's a lighter it's a lighter weight boat. It's easier to carry it easier to maneuver. And then you padlet. Oh my gosh. This thing is a little rocket. Yeah, and you know, and and that's not that unusual. I mean, there's some there's some fast sit insides out there, but it's a rocket and then you can stand up in it. Yeah. I'm with complete confidence that isn't that is it is in a class of its own there. So now it's a cool, but you know, it's my favorite but in our lineup right now, okay. If you know about that was going out tomorrow in shows the kayak I was going out and unless I was going and you know punch it through surf or something like that. That's the boat. I'd be taken a lot of people underestimate a sit inside kayak. I mean they are phenomena specially for kayak fishing. You know, I'm on the blue sky, he's on the SS 127. We got another couple other buddies around Jackson's and stuff. You lose a fish. It's the hits platform and it's gone, but when you have that sentence, I'd kayak. You get a second chance and a third chance. It's all contained. Yeah, absolutely love fishing out of a sentence. I kayaked. Ooh, I love it. So yeah, and I think a lot of times people feel like they're sitting way down inside the boat and you know, the seats are usually not very comfortable but this boat has a frame seat, you know, you set up relatively high. It's got a much better console area. I think than most sit on top probably including including hires. I mean that the SS Series has the drop pod, but But it has a very functional console. You know, it's got a lot of different things in it. So, you know, and we named it Expedition because that's the other thing for this boat. That's I think it's really good fit for is you got a tremendous amount of dry storage in the rear hatch and you know, take that, you know, nice overnighter, you know, two three days whatever camping trip. That's actually something. I'm looking forward to this false and our keeps threatening me that she's going to have to take me on a trip. So we It's a video and footage and go do some you know, Fisher River and do some overnight stuff and that would be awesome. Yeah, we're looking forward to trying to find some time to do that in this fall. But yeah now I absolutely loved the boat. Yeah, that's exactly why I ordered one man just to do overnight River trips up on the Wisconsin River. What's a way you said? It was real like the way I don't know the weight on it to pounds or something. Right? Wow. It's elastic it by me 60. 262. Yeah, I'd actually have to pull the website Thunder exactly. Another shot weight is down in the 50s. But by the time you put all the see stuff on it, so it's a little bit more than that, but it's no wonder I got the beauty of technology. So C 63 pounds without the seat 67 with the seat. Okay. Nice. Yeah, and the whole weight is 50. Yeah. Okay, stop it. That's super light. Yeah, it's light man. It's like moving that thing around is so easy so easy, but can't beat it man. Can't beat it. No doubt man. It sounds like a good Creek boat to manage. Somebody wants to fish shallow. Yeah, you know, it's kind of like it just a grab and go kayaking. You can go hit some shallow creation stuff then yeah and that and that's exactly what we're here for particularly for fishing. That's what it is that you're grabbing Gobo. You're not going to you know, what? went to canoecopia, yeah, and one of the things we ask customers out there is forget about Transit time from your house to the water. But from the time you start to load your load your kayak till how long it takes you to get it loaded get it unloaded get it on the water then get it put back up and they get it put it put away when you get home how much time is that? And I mean the average response was like an hour. Yeah, which makes sense. I mean you figure about 15 minutes and each one by the time you get all your stuff together, and that's what's Is you know with electronics with all the rigging with all the rod holders with all the stuff which is great for Tournament Fishing or four if you've got the time to do it, I mean it's good stuff to have in the water. But what if you want to go fishing for two hours after work, you know, what if you want to keep boat on top of your roof so that you can just you know, hit the little honey hole before you go home. You need something that you could just literally take off the roof. Not not go get your you know, whatever Dolly and all this other stuff that you It's Unique to manage the bow but pick the thing about the route throw your shoulder set it down. Go back get your two rods put them in there. Do you know paddle PFD and boom you're out fishing? Yeah, I'd like that. I dig it man. I mean back in the day man. I had a little 10-foot sit and and that's what I would do to three hours after work. I grab that over, you know, any of the other boats in the garage and it is I mean, it just makes life easy. So I absolutely yeah. Set up. I have a grab-and-go rod spinning rod a backpack with Bates. I know it's going to work on the river paddle PFD and I'm gone just like that if I'm bad day at work, you know at the office I'm going man. I need to go. I need to hit the water. I need to unwind grab go boom gone. And the other thing is a lot of people have buddy boats. Yeah, they have a boat. Yeah buddy bow or a boat for the wire for the book the kids or whatever, you know vote for whoever's, you know, you're fishing with or whoever you're introducing the kayak. Fishing, you know that particular weekend or whatever and so it's like okay your buddy boat could be a you know, less expensive more economical whatever you want to call it version of the thing you already fish out of yep, meaning it brings, you know advantages whatsoever when no one's using it right or it can be another arrow in your quiver. Yeah, you know, and if you got somebody that you know, you're taking out or whatever and they prefer to fish out of the sit on top little fish out of that and you This other boat, but when you're not fishing with anybody now, you have choices. Yeah, you've actually added a you know an error to your quiver. It's kind of like well, we have a you know, it's like, you know, you have a car and you have another car. Yeah, okay, which car but if you have a card you have a pickup truck. Well now you have options. Yeah. Yeah right. Now you might want to take that pickup truck. If you're going to get a Christmas tree, you know me as opposed to trying to strap something to the roof. So I feel like it's a little Little bit like that too and people have really responded to that and we've heard a lot of people who have bought the boats and a bottom for that reason is you know what I'm gonna have a second boat. Anyway, it may as well be something that gives me some versatility. Yeah, heck. Yeah man, very cool. I dig it any chance would be a special edition 11:7 asking for a friend. Not that I know of think about it. I loved that boat man. It's that's my Riverboat. I loved that boat, man. You know, I had the 127 first and then the 107 than the 11:7 in that 11:7 man. I just you know fishing the small River by my house, I think paddle so well and again, you know that entry level boat or that buddy boat, you know, I've had some buddies fish out of it and they're like sitting sweet and I'm like, I know I know where to get it and you know for that series it's easy its Ultimate Fish ability and it's got all the bells. It's got everything you need for e^x. It was easy as grabbing go. Yeah, literally sat around a conference table and said, how do you say it's really fun? Yeah, right because that's the message that ours. It's a joy to paddle, you know, we did a little dealer event where a local dealer was like Hey, I want to bring all my staff. It was just for training their staff. They going to bring all the staff out to this Lake and I'd like for you guys to send somebody, you know to train them all. on your boat, you know you had several manufacturers there, so You know turned out it was a good weekend for me. So I went up there and what another guy went up there and I mean all of their staff, I mean almost every raving like, oh my gosh comment we got was about the artist once if they're like, this boat is so much fun. Yeah, you know, so it is I think in our I mean we obviously you know that we we make a lot of them, but I still think it's an underappreciated boat as far as the amount of Attention we get it, you know talking about it and it's just not about you hear as much about out in Social medial and there's a lot of people in them, but it's probably a little bit underrated in terms of being part of the conversation. Sure. Yeah. I completely agree minutes. It's a fun boat to paddle super fast. It's lighter. It's obviously not as light as the e^x but He's no man. Just a great great all around. You know II boat and a Riverboat for me. I've enjoyed my time in that thing. So yeah, it's cool man. I dig it dig it you happy with your kayak lineup or you plan on adding different models or tweaking models or Yes, yes, and yes, there we go. We're going to start thinking on it and we're going to be looking to improve it. So yeah, well, we'll always do that as far as do. We need any more boats in the lineup. I mean, I think we have the major bases covered but I think there are Still a couple of opportunities, you know, we're we're thinking about that. You know, we're thinking about that now, I'm really proud of you guys for not bringing up pedal drive yet. Oh, yeah. No, we usually bring it up first seven seconds. Now we were going to bring it up. Yeah, that's what well, that's one that people keep asking about and I mean at some point in time, you know, assuming that we could really, you know, find something that we feel like adds value to the marketplace. Place, you know, that would be an obvious one sure, you know if and when that happens, who knows but but even just you know, even between now and then I think there might be I think there might be at least one more boat that that would have a good place in the market. Nice. Yeah, very cool man. I kind of see you know, I pedaled the 127 and I'm looking at that car that cockpit there. I paddled that for I think it was about a full season and I'm thinking that's perfect place. For motor so, you know, I would probably see maybe a pair up with liked or Kido or something before I would ever see a pedal drive come out of you, you know, but you know, I could be wrong. Yeah, I mean there's a there's a company out there. Now I saw him at icast making a little Pod Drop in motor for it. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, I don't it was Bigsby fix it the big Speed Motor I saw that. It might have been a big Speed Motor. I'm not sure who is making the but they're basically about it. Looks like they bought one of our pods and had adapted like a battery inside and stuff and then you know, if you're at the demo if you saw Jeff Littles set up on that 127 with that new that bigger trophy. Yeah, dude, that thing's amazing. I mean amazing fast you're powerful. So yeah, I mean, you know, I think there's a there's People keep basket. It's like, you know. Is paddling going away or is you know, the title track is going to be it or is it going to be electric or you know, is it going to I'm like there will always be all three. Yeah paddling is not going anywhere. No, it doesn't matter. You know you what you hear on social media lie is the you know, the people who are fishing competitively or business work for really long time who feel like, you know, the the pedal drive is kind of the ultimate evolution. But I mean kayak fishing got great because people love to paddle. Yeah, that's that's what made kayak fishing great. And yes, one of the things I think in our in our industry that we've allowed to happen is the message for some for some, you know, you know customers and they're getting it sometimes from dealers is well, if you can afford a pedal drive you probably want this if you can't do that, I've got some paddle kayaks over here, right? Well that's baloney that's like saying it. To me that's kind of like saying well, if you could afford a rifle you might want this if you can't afford that I've got this bow over here, right? Right, right. Yeah. Oh honey, and honey with a rifle are two different things. They're not the same experience and catching a fish. It doesn't matter. How big or how small or what kind of water out of a boat that you're paddling versus a boat that you're peddling their two different experiences. It's not about what's easier sure, you know people say and it kind of goes back to what we're talking about in. Has people don't do things for fun because they're easy that's kind of defeats the purpose. They do things to achieve a certain experience. Yeah, so, you know, that's the way I look at the pedalpaddle power thing is which experience are you looking for? Right? Yeah. Oh and if somebody's looking for the experience, that's the you know least physically demanding get some as quick as possible so they can catch as many fish as possible. Well, the motor setup is probably the one you're looking for. Yep, you know if they still want human power. They just want some advantages of being able to hold position easier, whatever they may be are look, you know, they fish particularly deeper water and you know, not the conditions that petal drops could be a liability, you know, not rivers or you know, whatever. Well then maybe they want to Pedal drop but I don't ever want to see us discount the experience of kayak fishing with two blade of paddle. Yeah. It's something that it's it's own unique thing and it's like it's like And again, I use the hunting analogy earlier, but you know, I've killed a lot of deer, you know some some with a crossbow some of the compound bow, but if I ever if I ever, you know, successfully hunted with a recurve that's that would be something that would be the ultimate achievement. Yeah. So I think you know kayak fishing is a lot the same way there different levels of the tool you use More the easier that the tool makes it for you to do what you're doing. It's not to say it's not worthwhile said say it's not good. It's nothing but it's a different level of achievement. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. I agree with that 100% I can dig it. But for me, there's no preference. I saw something the other day. It was like well what it is is Luthor doesn't like penile drives. I'm like I started in a cup now granted that is true the way before I start a bona fide. My preferences is paddling but there are certain conditions. I'd much rather be in apologize. Yeah, there are certain conditions that they're just do just better at or a motor is even Rather than that and there's certain conditions that it's just really hard to you know to go out there and do it at all without. You know, I remember fishing some, you know, bottom spots out in you know, often the bar Navarre Beach trying to hit these little tiny spots where the Snapper were and you've got all these Coastal currents and winds and stuff like that by the time your baby gets to the bottom like you could omit be nearly impossible to time it just right, you know what I mean? So there are cases where there's there's a tool for each job. But you know, I just refuse to accept the argument. That one is better because it's easier. Yeah, that's not that's not an intellectually honest conversation. Right? Totally people with pedal drives man. Once they get to we're going where they're going. They always pull out the paddle afterwards at least majority of the time and kind of fine tune what they're peddling into, you know, at least that's what I you know, you're a hundred percent right because you're you know, you've got propulsion in the middle of the bow in the Steer with the rudder. Yeah, so it's difficult to do tight maneuvering with a pedal Drivin you no Hobie always impressed by Hobie, you know, their long-term thinkers. They're great. They have great Engineers, you know, they they done some really cool stuff in this industry. And you know, what they showed at icast is definitely a an evolution, you know what I mean of the Mirage drive, but even you know, even that Out there, you know there's what you can do when you're shooting a video and then there's what you can do in the environment, you know, and there's going to be times that even people with that driver going to pull out a paddle. It's just going to yeah, absolutely. Yeah, never going to get away from the paddle. You're always going to need it for summer. Yeah. Yeah. Very cool man. You got any other questions for our man here rickets? No, man. I just wanted to tell you we got a local guy here. On the Loveland canoe and kayak fishing team that was added to your affiliate team. And he's one of our co-host the real down. He's doing good work for you over here. So shout out to Brad Hicks. Just wanted to yeah. Yeah, you know, it's it does a good job Revenue man. He really does so awesome. Yeah. Yeah, he was he was like, can I get on the show tonight? Can I get a shoutout to bring he could make it tonight? Because he's getting a Luthor tramp stamp added on. Look for that on his social media Instagram, you know, so hashtag Luther tramp stamps. Yeah it soon it's too funny. It's too funny too. Funny man to climb is it's so cool to be, you know, I mean, we're associated with some of the best people in this industry. I mean, you know, it's just it's video for you know for a guy like me that I really never thought you know what I mean? Like this is a pipe dream Beyond a pipe dream in some ways, you know to be doing this now and you know be surrounded by kind of people that were surrounded by in, you know, the constant encouragement from the industry and from our customers and say You just every day. It's like okay, we got to live up to this today. Yeah, we did yesterday but we tried yesterday. We got to try again today every single day. We've got to live up to that. You're living the story. You want to tell my friend dude, and that's where you look that's that's a lot where that came from is like, you know don't want one thing and do another, you know, don't don't want one life and live a different one the things that make, you know, a lot of the things that make the give life its richness and That they're not easy. Yeah, you know, but if you if you want to create a live the life you want to create, you know, put that effort into every single day and it doesn't matter whether you're fishing. It doesn't matter whether you run a business whether you're raising a family, you know, it does your building. It doesn't matter what you're doing. If you do the thing that you you know, if you do the thing that creates the environment the environment of the life that you want to be part of and you can't go wrong even if you Never achieve it, you know at least at least tries pointed that direction. Yeah, exactly. Amen. I dig that we should have Luther have his own segment words of wisdom and a paddling thin podcast bring it on. Yep your recipe. I got some jacked-up analogies man. I dig it. It's so awesome man. Now we can't thank you enough man for taking time out of your evening sit. And chat with us is has been some some really great conversation. I appreciate it. You know, I think I think we dug in and some stuff that I know you've done several podcasts and stuff. I mean obviously some of the stuff we've talked about you've talked on others. I've always tried to follow along, you know with stuff you've put out there and I dig it and I learned some very interesting things about yourself your companies and your product line tonight, and I think it's a absolutely something that everybody's going to gravitate. Tate towards you know, it's you know it, you know kayak fishing. Yeah, that's like our main thing here, right but the wisdom and everything else that comes along with it. Not only that but, you know knowing what goes into the the components that you're putting on your boat the boats your paddle and things like that man. I mean there's a story there to tell and I think it's cool to hear that story what all went into the getting to where you're at and you Where you're going so yeah, thank you very much, you know, you know, obviously you guys you find Luthor on Facebook quite a bit. If you guys want to go over follow him check out yak attack products yet. It's Yak attack.com, right? Yeah, except got comrie. I could take that us. They both go to the same place and then bona fide.com check it out. Check out all the cool products at your local retailers. I'm sure everybody's seen them, but if you haven't you You know, we got some new to kayak fishing guys that listen to the podcast here. So guys go check that stuff out just a shout out to our supporters here at the podcast Rock Town Adventures Loveland canoe and kayak hammered lures Coyote sunglasses fish mob lures Southern Lake Co Michigan Ohio kayak Anglers, and then as always guys the Recycled Plastics program save your used Bates from this fishing season. Send them into the Dress in the show notes are good man out at hammered lures. Mr. Eric Richards melts toes down makes new baits donate some to Heroes on the water great program. And that's awesome. Yeah. Yeah, it is awesome in it. Yeah that kid does that selfish selflessly and it's just such a good way to give back man. So with that being said guys tight lines and smooth paddling.

    In this episode Brian & Ricketts sit down and chat with Luther Cifers the Owner of YakAttck and Bonafide Kayaks. We talk about how this all started by one light pole that Luther and a friend created. How American made products are done. What is new from YakAttack and Bonafide, and the things to come.

Hey guys, this is Lisa and Rebecca and we are here on the secret life of weddings. If you like drama, you're in the right place where we tell you the world's craziest, but true wedding stories. So get ready for the drama on the secret life of weddings. It's official we have made it to 100 episodes. Say whoa, a hundred 100 1 0 0 8. It's amazing. I'm a little surprised right really, I don't usually commit to things this long I was gonna say this is not the time to admit that you secretly hate me and I've been just hanging in because you feel bad for me at this point. Well, you know, we are we're learning so much about each other since we started traveling white welcome to The hundredth episode of The Secret Life of weddings podcast. This is Lisa and Rebecca and we still have stories for you. Can you believe it? I know and we've got like a slew this week. I we got like we got a bunch emailed to us from people. Yeah. Yeah, so there's like a so I normally don't do this, but I'm going to do this. Okay. What take your top off? Haha. I do that no for me, so you To see the girls. I do want to see the girls. They've been much listen. They've been much hyped over the past year and a half. We got some point you're gonna have to put up or shut up. Yeah, true fair enough. I don't normally do this, but you usually do this. You read our reviews. I generally don't. Oh God, and I generally don't comment on them. I haven't read them in a while. Here's one thing. I want to comment on though, okay. And I don't ask me why out of everything that's been said like this bugs me. Oh good. Okay, we don't just read stories off of Reddit. So suck a fucking dick because that's so inaccurate. I know clearly you've listened to all of maybe one episode and that's it because we've had stories sent in from the get-go. So if you think that you will have a better time going reading on Reddit. Should do that and shove your negative review up your ass. Thank you. Oh, I love I love this this angry Rebecca. You know what that really bugged me because I was like, no we don't do that and clearly you don't really you haven't really actually listened because we tell listeners stories all the time. We have from the beginning. There's a lot of them in a hundred episodes. Yeah, and of yeah, absolutely there are some Reddit stories for sure. There's quite a few actually but You know what? It's not all we do. It's also not our fault that Reddit is a fucking dumpster fire of humanity like to how is that right? How is that our fault? That's just where the drama congregates. Yeah, and if you don't like it, I don't care just kind of over it that really pissed me off because I was like, you know what? I'm sorry, but what our podcasts you're reading stories from wherever I know so, but I just I just wanted it noted that we Just read just stories from Reddit. I actually get them from a lot of places. Yeah, I was going to say, can you tell she's the one in charge of the stories? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She takes pride in her work. Damn it. I get the negative reviews about our personalities or whatever. That's fine. I get it. You don't mess with us. That's cool, whatever move on but uh, you know attacking our show, I'm not having it Lisa. That's okay. Everybody thinks I'm the mean one. So it's ironic. It's ironic because I would have put like if you put down on paper certain comments, I would pick you as the meaner one, but that's just it's yeah, I don't know. I don't know people. You know, what's funny is that someone said that we sound like we secretly hate each other. I know I saw that and I was like Wow news to me. I didn't know I hated my best friend. Let me tell you something you guys there is no amount of money in the world if I hated someone I'm not fucking working with them you imagine I'm gonna do this job that kind of pays a little money. Yeah with someone for a year and a half and I fucking hate them so much. Yeah, I'm gonna spend hours on this as well as Beyond video with Lisa. Oh not to mention drive to her house for over a year just to record a podcast that we make barely any money yet. Yes. That's what I'm going to do also drive to different places in the states for like 15 hour drives. Yes. That sounds like me. Yeah, and you know, I know we shouldn't maybe stoop to their level even comment on it, but I was just like you know, what? But let's just get this out clearing the air for episode 100 clear in the fucking air, you know clearing it and I know I someone else had commented they thought that this was the end of us by us separating and me working from home and you working from home. That's not the case guys. It's just completely logistically better for us. So that's about it. It gives Rebecca a lot more time to just go to just go to Reddit right Rebecca. Right? Right. Oh my God. Yeah, I know. Any and don't don't don't don't sweat it and to everybody who's left us a kind review and is taken time to actually appreciate what we're trying to do. Thank you fucking thank you. Do you keep big fucking can say we really appreciate it? Like can't if it wasn't so obscenely boring to read positive reviews about ourselves on a podcast. I would read every single last one of them on this motherfucker. Is that a little vague? It's extremely vain so he can't get away with that one. I don't expect all positive. I love constructive criticism and shit. I really do I thrive off of it actually because it makes me think about what I'm doing, but you don't get any of that though. The only time we ever had that was when people a couple people said, oh about the chatting off the top but now we tried to minimize the chatting and people went apeshit. Yeah and said no. No, we like it keep it. So we went with the majority and you know, it's like a bit of a no-win situation. You can't if you put yourself out there. Try listen, if you put yourself out there and do something creative. Someone will shit on you no matter how free it is. It doesn't matter. It's true. It's true. What are you gonna do? So yeah that took me a long time to come to terms with yeah, you know negative reviews and things like that, but it's just part of part of having a podcast and and growing with it and part of putting yourself out in the public. Yes, exactly. So thank you to everyone who has spent a hundred episodes with us, you know hanging out listening to us. That's pretty fucking cool. It's so cool. It is so cool. And we really can't thank you enough. You're worth every mean-ass review we could potentially if I mean ask comment every mutter under their breath about us everything you're worth it. I actually I again seeing so many people writing in you know with their stories and then saying that there are getting caught snorting out loud at work and people don't even ask them anymore. Either why they're laughing at work. It's incredibly rewarding so, you know, you guys are the reason I do it and it's really really great. So thank you. That's our I love that visual. I love the visual people laughing out loud at work. Yeah it really it really makes my day. It really does. I actually picture it. I know you do honey. I'm like, that's awesome. So guys, we just got back from Nashville, Tennessee, but can write that was wild it was fast and a wild it was fast. And Furious. Yeah, and guys I really was who were there very long. Yeah. So the Nashville trip was Insanity it took us I don't know it was supposed to take us eleven and a half hours. Yes, and how long does it take us in the end to get down there? Almost 1500 that's 15 Rebecca's like I did not sign up for this. It was mostly traffic accidents. We also drove down through some of the They just Dayton Ohio. We drove through some of the tornado damage which was crazy for us connects to see that was that was crazy to see I have never seen, you know, you see it on TV and stuff but to see it in person. Wow, it's not that. Wow. What what really struck me is crazy was how you know, we were being detoured around some traffic at one point where we're coming back and you would just see a building would be completely destroyed and then right next to it. Everything's fine. Yeah. That's so bizarre. That's the weirdness of it. It's nah, it's not like oh clearly something massive came through. It's like it hits It's like a really shitty Lottery, you know. Hmm. Yeah, but that was pretty wild and we saw people getting storm supplies multiple blocks had power outages and they were getting ice and it was just yeah, very real it was very real for us Canadians sad, it was so sad. Yeah, but I mean I feel for everybody that's you know, struggling going through that right now God. Hell yeah, they have no power or anything not yeah, it's yeah completely shitty. So are you told me there's like a tornado? What is it called Tornado Valley or Ally or Tornado Alley? You don't know about Tornado Alley. I did not know about it until you told me about it. I can't believe it out. That was a thing. Yeah. Yeah, it's always been a thing. So this certain path of States, you know, kind of in the midwest right going down to the South. Yeah. It actually is called Tornado Alley, but Tornado Alley is Eating that is something because when we were going down to Tennessee, I was like where is Tornado Alley, you know because we're was funny because I said to you. Oh, well, why doesn't everybody just move out of Tornado Alley so they don't have to deal with this can understand if it's like if I thought it was like just a it always comes through there. But I mean it could vary for sure. Oh it varies but it's like can everybody just take five steps to the right cool. No more tornadoes. I was like, well, how wide is this a lie? Because you know, Don't understand. So Tornado Alley is several States wide. It's quite quite wide. Yeah, here's the interesting bit. Here's an interesting tidbit for you. Tornado. Alley is Shifting toward the East so oh it's actually not where it used to be and this must be something, you know, it's probably El Nino or whatever, but it's shifting Eastward and it's yeah, it does go partially into Tennessee. So when we're going down I was like just a heads up. It's like 50% in Tennessee now, who knows but We did not see any actual tornadoes when we were down there. But Rebecca was no Rebecca was on God high alert. I was I kept looking at the skies and I got to know that one looks a little sketchy that cloud pointing it shit. Did you see that story? I tagged you in the other day on Facebook. No, I tagged you in a story that said we had one drop into Ontario like just the other day. It was an F1 and yeah, it was in it was it was near Ottawa. It was gorgeous. She's shaking her head. Nope. Can you know I tornado is not gorgeous beautiful? No is destructive. Yeah, it's a fucking monster. But you know how like you get a woman who's incredibly an incredibly horrible person, but she could be fucking gorgeous. That's what a tornado is. Essentially. It is like the biggest bitch of nature. It's like oh boy, but it's like I'm fine. Well, we've had one touchdown in Milton. Really? Yeah. I saw the damage it did. It was quite a few years ago and but it's not it was not even known only as destructive as they get in the US like we don't get it like that get these little category get these little like Canadian tornadoes are like kind of friendly they touch down and they go I'm going to come here. I'm going to touch down here, but I hope I don't cause any Destruction for you. I'll just be in the field over here. Yeah. I hope you know what let me know if I'm bothering you nice tornadoes are even our tornadoes or Canadian are tornadoes are incredibly considerate you. I'm so sorry about the wind. I hope I don't kick much dirt up. I just thought I'd drop in I won't be here. I won't be here long. I got no friends coming over. I'm a very low-maintenance tornado. It's just so true. But yeah, so a court like a beautiful one touchdown was photographed. It was amazing looking the funnel, but it was just again like an F1 like the the beginning of the tornado scale and it touched down in Ottawa are near Ottawa and yeah something else to see though. I would love to go on a storm chasing trip. Like that would be such a cool thing for I sold Rebecca this in the car and her eyes just about fell out of her head. I think that would be amazing my dad and I totally want to go down to the States and then yeah, you thought it would be cool if we saw one like well, you know, and I'm like no I'd like in a field away from people not hurting anybody, you know, but the problem is they're so Random. And they are dangerous and terrifying and our hearts go out to everyone who's been affected. But I do have this crazy Fascination. I always have ever since I was a little kid like, you know Storm Chasers and stuff like I get it when I saw the movie Twister as a kid, I loved that movie. I like that movie. It's a great movie. I'd but here's my God. This might be the first movie ever 100 episodes. Yes cheesy as fuck that movie to I'm surprised you like it. It's not that bad. Is it it is it's been a while since I've watched it, but so did I so don't care because it's it's great. And you heard it here first guys. Yeah, that's true Rebecca finally admits. She loves cheese. So I am in love with that. Movie it even even like a storm any kind of storm just gives me goosebumps and like makes my hair stand on end. You know what? I mean? Like, I just I'm fascinated by storm. I would be like I'm not I would be a storm chaser in another life. You know it if I didn't live in Canada, but yeah, cuz this isn't the right place for you for like no, but I've been watching some videos on YouTube and there is just crazy footage. Although hold on. We get really crazy ice storms though. Oh fuck you can't chase those. That's like nothing. No, I know but like their destructive. Oh, yes. Alright story should yeah, they're both that we do get some weather, but it's Not in any kind of temperature than anybody would want to be outside in and you can't but you know what? Let's explain it ice storms if we get them in the winter and they freeze our power lines and everything that sometimes people and they knock trees down like it's crazy bad. But yeah, but people like we've had to call what you guys call State of Emergency, right? Like what's ours called ours isn't called that's called something else cause we'd have States but no, I think it's state of emergency because it's a state of emergency. Emergency State. No, but I thought they called it something else but like everyone was so like emergency State University go go. Yeah, I storm you know what I mean, but I know I think it's a state of emergency. But anyway, the point is it's yeah, this shit is destroyed more destructive than you would think your whole car will be coated in ice like you can't get into it because it's literally a ice. Yes, and you had people go without power for like and running water and stuff for days and we remember don't get Crazy when it was over Christmas, I don't know years ago. There was a really bad one and a bunch of people went without power even in Milton and stuff for like over Christmas for like a weekend or tubes, right? Yeah, it was bad. But yeah, so there's there's been some serious storms here, but it's more I don't know impacts like power lines and things like that. Terribly inconvenient, but you know not quite as destructive as like a tornado. Yes, fair enough, you know, but yeah, so that's my search. I'm just sharing all my secret desires when episode 100 it's just what we're doing today and we didn't write a bowl. No, it was wearing a dress. Okay to be fair in my defense. We I'm blaming you shut up. We didn't see one either and so it wasn't top of mind. I was so distracted there Rebecca, there were so many pretty lights and flashing there were and flashing things and yes cowboy boots and loud music. I was very distracting. Ed so so much music and so much talent y'all if you haven't gone there you need to take a trip there. I get all the hype now. I totally get all the hype. It was like the moment we got there and our Uber driver took us down to everybody was really nice. By the way. That was y'all. Oh my God. So nice Southern Hospitality thing is real like yes, it was so cool to visit and they're like jacked up Canadians. I love it and they say y'all and they call us ma'am and things like that was Ali cute so okay, I get the man thing but the man thinks still bugs me. I know it's just out of respect but I hate it because I feel really old so I'm like my mother. Yeah, mom says that all the time and as a result that I know it's a southern thing it is I get that is as a result. I can't associate man with anything other than being old because of my mother not saying she's old I'm saying she gets real real pissed off if he call her ma'am. She always did. Yeah, but they are so freaking nice. So we were driving in and the moment we saw downtown I was Came out of nowhere Broadway and I was little I looked around and I said, oh my God, it's like a little tiny Vegas. Yeah, but it was like, yes, it's a smaller version of Vegas. But I you know, I I like it better. I've been begging I do too because I love all the live music in that and I just feel like I don't know. That's more my jam. I'm not a gambler either. So maybe that's true me neither really there were Brides everywhere. Oh my God, and they were I'm sorry, but they were all drunk. Everybody was drunk drunk off their asses like like for real trucks go by with Brides on the back of them like like a bride and her bachelorette party. I've never seen anything like it we found the capital of stay gets like absolutely. Oh that was crazy hair and even some like Grooms and groomsmen. They had like the same shirt t-shirts on and so yeah, so quite a few Drinking team and things like that. But here's the thing. Yeah ratio of brides 2 Grooms was like 10 to 1 easy crazy easy raise it was wild and there were these bikes that people would get on and like it would be an actual tram kind of thing. But like people would scooter you mean the scooter know the bikes were probably on a it's like a truck but there's like these bicycles attached all around the outside. Oh, yeah and everybody sits and pedals and they power the vehicle. All why you'd want to do that. I don't know because you know, I'm lazy as fuck but I would be all your drinking and burning calories at the same time. So I'm keeping all my calories on paying for in Vegas or - well rather the funny thing is you pay for this. That's why I'm laughing because I'm like no no. No, it makes me laugh. Exactly. It was crazy though. I've never seen anything quite like it. There was so many party bosses just so not endless. Yeah endless and Squeeze me all the pulled pork. I had exactly two meals Downer to be fair. Like we had two meals down the total out. The rest was in the car driving us, but we had two meals out there and I have pulled Park both times because it was so fucking good like and I pride myself on my barbecue abilities and my pulled pork. I don't even come close to y'all like that. It's just it's insane. It's so good. Amazing. Yeah. Oh so I bought a hat. Yes. You did. I love my hat. It's great. My husband was like you're never going to fucking where that why would you buy that? I said, I don't care. I love it. It's a Stetson and I'm very looks great. It's all thank you. I'm very proud of it. I love it. You want to see my hat come to our fans group and yeah Facebook face fans of superh Left for Weddings But or you can come on our new app. Yes that were a part of Like chat. Yes. Come on over there. The link is in our fan group. Maybe we can put the link in the show notes. I will absolutely put the link in the show notes and then you can come chat with us and like real time. So it's kind of cool. We're hanging out in there quite a bit comment on an episode like we can reply to the comment and it's really it's really neat. Yeah, and as of next week, you'll be able to listen to any of your podcasts really it's like a podcast app and you can listen to ours and comment as you're listening to the show. Show so it's kind of absolutely so that's flick chat. I say kind of cool. I think it's really cool. I really like it. It's a mobile app. So check your mobile app store, wherever you get your mobile apps. Yes, don't try to do it on your computer. It doesn't work. No, but listen, so we did our show up pot acts. That was awesome. We met some wonderful people and yes, you know big big thanks to products for having us and our our trip though. I it ended on a very problematic note. I went so Rebecca had a shower and then I was like, I probably smell it this point. I need to go have a shower. So I went into the bathroom - our giant fucking cockroach on the floor that was disgusting upside down. I came out. I think I was doing a Silent Scream. I don't even think I don't even think I screamed because I couldn't get the you didn't scream no my mouth. Was probably open and my eyes were in Terror and I couldn't I was going like I couldn't I couldn't even verbalize. What was the problem? Yeah bathroom can't go in can't go in and she had to go in and get my shit. I thank God I had brushed my teeth because I was not going back in there. Listen. I have a question for you Southerners. Is this a thing our cockroach is a thing because we saw one in the street to yeah. This is not a thing. Until Arius is on our way down. You know, we're like, oh this is gonna be so great. But glad this isn't that and then on the way home, we see all these Billboards for exterminators and I started thinking maybe this is the thing. Maybe this is a problem. Yeah Nashville has or the South in general. I like maybe it's just a thing but regardless it should not have been in her room should not have been in our room that guy he did not he was fucking huge. Yeah it was Those big-ass cockroach. So we actually went and we were checking out a little bit early because like the same day but still couldn't get out of there fast enough. No, I really couldn't terrified. So we were talking about now. This was the Holiday Inn Express on Spence Lane in Nashville, and I'm telling you this because we went up to the woman in the lobby and told her she didn't even fucking apologize and the guy behind her was smirking and laughing like it was not cool. Well, let me tell you when you read the reviews of the Today in Express on spend slain in Nashville where you will never book because they have a cockroach infestation. Yeah, you will see that other people have had this problem to my favorite review that I read later because I left a one-star review mentioning this and my problem or my favorite. My favorite review is reasons to not stay at this hotel and number three was like cockroaches the size of kittens and I was like exactly yeah. A lot of people said it was old and musty to I didn't really pick up on that but I did pick I thought it was clean. We're not fucking princesses guys. It doesn't take much to impress us but cockroaches are where I draw fucking hard line also being a dick about it is really where I draw a line. Yeah, you're not even gonna apologize to us. Fuck you. Fuck you snarling. We are expecting money back or anything. I just wanted them to be like I was so sorry. I was I'm sorry a cockroach is way too fucking far away too far. It's not like I mean apology. A long way with me. So like if they said we're really sorry. We're sorry about this experience. It does. Yeah, we'll take it up with management or whatever. You know, she could have said my hands are tied. I really can't do anything but I'm really sorry. I'm going to talk to my man anything like, you know anything and it kind of It kind of put a huge damper because everyone was so other than her. She was just like everyone was like mmm and I'm like are you joking right now? She goes mmm you're checked out now. That was it. Okay. Well, fuck you. Guess what? We're going to tell thousands of people that the Holiday Inn Express on Spence Lane in Nashville has a cockroach infestation. So I don't think they care. I don't well, who knows maybe someone's going to Nashville and they're like won't Beach it won't be staying there now. Oh, I mean, I don't think the company cares they are the they should. Oh, no, I know but I'm saying they shouldn't care if they're smart. Yes, they should so that was that was the only like God that was I can't even deal with the mental image. It upset me for like 24 hours. Years. I have been beca. I think I have PTSD from this cockroach. Remember before we left the room. I looked under my blanket. He doesn't make sure there wasn't any embedded. This is so good at that. I started screaming because she was doing that and I was like don't but then she's like shake out your clothes and I'm like, I'm sorry what and she goes. No, no, no now because we just finished repacking everything. She's like no you have to shake out your clothes because they breed and they might come home and then I just started freaking out even more. Yeah. You don't want to bring it home. And when I did that but yeah, well time I took out each piece and I would shake it like four feet like my arm completely extended squealing the entire time because I couldn't imagine something falling because our bags were on the floor, right? That's why if our bags were up high I wouldn't have but yeah, it's like you come home you've been drinking and you're just like my clothes are on the floor tonight. That was a problem. But apparently it was a problem and I yeah nothing was in there. Thank God, but I lost my shit and I couldn't I can't deal with it can't can't deal with bugs. Nope. Now. I will I'm not down with those bugs. I was for sure. Absolutely not so who don't cheap out on your hotel people because our at least read the reviews at least read the reviews because damn that scared me. Yeah, that scared me but that's okay still good. It's very very fast trip. We drove down Friday went to the did our live show and our presentation and had interviews afterwards on. Saturday and then we went out and then drove home Sunday morning. Like it was just Bam Bam Bam like yeah, wham bam thank you, ma'am. All right. Listen, I have to admit something to you. You ready? What's that? The White Castle crave case? I bought might have been a mistake. I after I saw in our group everyone says what it what those burgers do to you. I was like, oh, I'm so fucking glad I didn't have one you would have been fucked because you have stomach issues. Yeah, I do it fucked me up. I had six of them. So because and now now I say six but like they were pasted over in a day, right? So I had like four in the around actually. I bought the bed like 10 a.m. Okay. Here's the backstory for all you Americans who makes shit patties apparently so listen. So this is the thing it gets funnier. So I somehow somehow we came down from Canada. And when I wasn't expecting to see a White Castle, so we're driving out at 10 o'clock in the morning. I see a sign for White Castle where we got off and I went. Oh you were very excited. I was so excited because this is like a very much a just like a what do you call it a novelty right? It's an easy. Yes. We don't have White Castle and I couldn't careless. Well I did so we didn't have White Castle in Canada anyway. I went and my husband loves hamburgers and he like if there's one thing I'm going to bring him back. I brought him back some barbecue sauce. But if there's one thing I'm going to bring him. He's more likely to respond to a box of hamburgers. Then he is a t-shirt right? Like that's my husband or an alcohol the same thing so they had this Hilaire and it was pretty amusing to get so they have this thing called a crave case. You should probably come to our group because I posted photos of this thing. This thing is a fucking monster. White Castle has sliders for those of you who don't know their tiny hamburgers. So when I say I had six it's because they're teeny like they're not they're not the big so I got a box of 30. It was actually not a bad deal at all. Really. I got 30 sliders for like 25 dollars us or something like that and they came in a fucking case that you carry a big big cardboard case and they have little slots and you take one each at it was adorable. Very well designed so I eat four of them and I'm feeling fine and then I go further along, you know in the day and I get hungry later. So I have two more by the time we got home. So there was 24 left in the case. I had six out of 30 by the time we got back to Canada in Ontario and everything. We're almost home. I was ready to fucking puke I couldn't deal with that. I had to stop to go to the bathroom. I think it was like kind of related kind of not though like 10. Yeah, like all the way home and it was just something else. The funny thing is I walk in the door and I'm like look what I got. We can finally try White Castle and Justins like yeah, we already fucking tried that and I'm like what and he goes. Yeah. We went Vegas. Remember we went and we went. Yeah, it's okay. Yeah, ha ha ha I had no, I went really and he said yeah and I said, well, here's the fucking case of hamburgers. You're welcome. I brought them all the way from fucking Ohio or somewhere. Anyway, I think might have been Kansas but I was it was hilarious. The best part though is that he actually ate them all. Oh my gosh. So over two days, is he? Okay, he's fine. Oh my God, he's got an iron stomach. Then he actually doesn't that's the weird thing he a he will react to food a lot more than I will. So I think it was a combination of being tired drinking. I did my fair amount of drinking in Nashville. Yeah notnot like A state where you're sick, but we know when you're tired, you're not getting a lot of sleep and then you're drinking on top of it. And then you're still not getting more sleep. And then you're traveling. Yeah, it was it was that my body was just like fucking enough. Yeah, like I'm done. Yeah and luckily you were driving. You were a chance. She'd Rebecca drove the whole way. I kept going. You know, let me know if you need help and then pass out, but my body was like fuck you. It was so bad Rebecca when I got home that I went digging around in my cupboards and I don't own, you know Kaopectate or you know, anything like that, which is like Pepto-Bismol. I went into my cupboard. I found this old Kaopectate for children from when they must have bought this for our kids when they were babies my kids 4 and 7 now people but this is fucking chalky milk stuff, right? I was so feeling sick that I actually drank from that. Oh my gosh, it actually did help help. My stomach that's good. But it was like children's cherry-flavored Kaopectate. I was like fuck this. I need to I need to do something mice. I can't even lie down right now. Yeah, I was so sick so fair warning guys. They may be good sliders, but it is a danger zone, especially if you are on a road trip, do not buy the creative case learn from my mistake at least Justin ate them. Yeah, that's good actually got him through a couple dinners. So it's like there you go. Alright. Alright, it's good, but it was I was like, yeah, I mean I opened it and I updated layers like I may have made a mistake on this. And of course, we got our American Beer because American Beer is different, right? So we picked up some was it Miller Miller Lite Miller Lite for your husband? Yeah. Yeah, and I didn't buy any of this time. But Justin says Rolling Rock is actually quite different in the u.s. Two in Canada be different. Yeah, that's cool. So, who knows? Yeah. It's all good. It's all good. I actually am obsessed with the pralines. I got at Savannah's kitchen, which is the Candy Kitchen we went to yeah. Oh my God, if you guys ever get to Nashville go to the Candy Kitchen this place. I wish I got like 10 more pralines. It's probably good for my diet that I didn't I my diet went whoever's keeping up with this. Yeah. It didn't exist at that trip like that. Chocolate made me sick what chocolate that we got from that place. Really? Yeah, how To make you sick it made me sick. Really? Yeah, I wonder why I don't know. It could have just been a combination of everything right not sleeping and driving. Yeah, you know by Rebecca's got a bit of a sensitive stomach to so it could be super sensitive. Yeah could have been a few things different like didn't I don't know it's didn't taste like chocolate. I normally eat I guess that's interesting. I actually didn't get any chocolate there. I got some from my kids which they annihilated. They got the marshmallows that Were covered in chocolate with M&Ms on them. Yeah and then Ring Pops, which of course Jill guilts me because she doesn't like the flavor of her ring pop and then she's like you got Liam two things and I only got one I said, I'm yeah you a ring pop she goes. Well, I didn't like it. Well, it doesn't mean that I didn't buy it but she's such a guilty. Yeah. Oh my god. Do you know what she said to me? This is a this is a classic Jill moment. Do you know what she said to me like two days ago I made from scratch, which I've never done before Shep. Five nice right when I love shepherd's pie. Yeah, like big fan because I after that trip I went and the problem with the White Castle. I was like, I need some comfort food. I need some good, you know home cooking kind of food, that will not make me sick no grease that kind of thing. So I was like, what do we have in the house? I got Justin bring some stuff home. I made this beautiful shepherd's pie and I was offering to warm some up for her. The next day and I said, you know, do you want some shepherd's pie and I told her what was in it. She goes. She's so dramatic right? She's five. She's like, oh she's never tried it. She fucking loved it, but she's like, oh my god. Oh, no, I don't want and she goes stop torturing me. It's do torture. It's torture pie those like it's not torture pie. You know, it's good. You should try it. But yeah. She's crazy. Oh my gosh, that's funny. Yeah, she's insane. Yeah, so I guess I guess that was our trip that we just wanted to do a quick summary of our trip. We mailed out our Joe Lewis in the Dayton, Ohio. Yeah, we pulled over there are $10 patreon members who have been with us a year. Got Joe Louise the sweet coat Fleet look like some of them arrived safely, which is great. They didn't get crushed so big fan, I'm Brittany. We need your address. Oh, yeah. I asked you for it, but I never got it. I'm calling you out. We're calling you out on the podcast. So I guess we should actually put some stories in our hundredth episode right like probably yeah, we've been rambling a little bit here. That's okay. We had a lot to catch up on we've had a lot going on in our world. And yeah, don't worry. I put I put the skipper, you know time stamp on the the episode each time. So it's all good. There you go. It's all good. Perfect. Okay, so we have some in the new stuff, okay. Bart Starr, dr. Paul Nassif is engaged to his longtime girlfriend. Brittany Pataki goes after the botched doctor 56 proposed to his Tupa tacos. Whatever the fuck her name is 27 on Saturday night during a romantic boat ride. Hey, whatever the fuck your name is. Will you marry me? Hey doctor, that's 56 proposed to girlfriend this 27. I know I picked up on that too. I was wondering if you were going to I don't have a problem with this do I? Yes, I do. I was waiting. I was essentially just waiting to see if you were going to say something about that. I'm trying to be a better person and not judge but I'm having a hard time. I don't think that would fly with our audience. I you know, I think they expect the judging big jump. Yeah, that's a big jump. What does that already 40 the 50? That's like 30 or difference. That's a little excessive Rebecca. That's an entire person an entire adult. Yeah, and you know like this whole midlife crisis shit. Like I don't know anyways, okay. So according to the National Post the RCMP arrested for men from Manchester headed to a stag party in Las Vegas after they became so rowdy the crew had to make an emergency. Landing in Winnipeg to kick them off the flight. Wow, greater Manchester police. Say the group boarded a flight from Manchester to Las Vegas on March 24th, 2018. After takeoff crew members realize the wild stay group were disturbing fellow passengers by drinking excessive amounts of alcohol and smoking e-cigarettes the situation got worse when the men started having water fights bring water bottles across the cabin and soaking those around them despite multiple. Warnings from the crew that's kind of men also allegedly exposed themselves to passengers. It just escalates right police say the crew told the group the flight would be diverted if the behavior continued one of the men 33 year-old Michael Ward allegedly said you can't tell me what to do. You are lower down the food chain for me. I'm a 40K a year Builder. You are just an air hostess. Don't try to tell me. what to do all you would go out the door it with the plane in the air I be like, let me break this window and stuff you in it the men continued swearing and shouting at both staff and passengers which led the captain to divert the flight to Winnipeg dumping 10,000 gallons of fuel to land safely upon Landing that morning RCMP arrested the for Manchester men's Scott Caper 33, Craig Hopwood 32 and Michael Ward will spend two years in jail while Daniel how Howarth Howarth whatever 35 is sentenced to 1 year and 7 months. Holy to jail. Listen, if you think your bachelor party was Hardcore, you're not get arrested land a plane hardcore. Yeah, like is this for real? That's Nene. Even it was a in the National Post. So it's got to be real right National Post is legit has a not they have In ages of these men. I'm pretty sure this is r and let me tell you if it was going to be men from somewhere Manchester England would probably be that's where we saw Lisa right? That's where the Gallagher brothers are from my friend and they have had their share of getting kicked off planes. So Liam's not allowed to fly, I think as an Australian some Australian Airline anymore. Oh, yeah years ago in like 1998 that happened. Oh boy. Oh, yeah. There's some classic us. Door. He's still gonna y'all gotta chill the fuck out when you're on a plane. I know water fight. Well hell I can't even that's pretty hilarious. But well, they're in jail everybody enjoy that so our first listener story today y'all got me through wedding planning with this podcast. So thank you. You're welcome. Thank you for saying that. Please. Keep me Anonymous. Thanks wedding story stripper guests and worse DJ ever. Well, it's promising so far not gonna lie my good friend from high school through a seriously gorgeous wedding. The ceremony was beautiful and she did an incredible job decorating the venue which was an upscale spot within the middle of the city. This made it a bit noticeable when the stripper showed up to the wedding, I guess. Well, they weren't confirmed strippers. Does that mean like it sounds like a religious, you know, Jessica Rabbit, they've taken a stripper. Ian spread your legs darling. Well, they weren't confirmed strippers, but they looked like they had hopped off the pole and stepped into this reception. Oh our we're not shaming. Let's not. Oh no, we shame outfits that are too slutty for weddings a little bit. There is appropriate. You can't look like you just jumped off the pool. Not that there's anything wrong with that but you can't wear the only thing wrong with riding a pool. No, but do it in the club, right? Yeah, like you have to can't bring that. Ow. For to a wedding, you know if I had a pole in my room I'd probably use it. There you go, you know you can get them, right? Oh from the moment. We saw them and the bottom part of their butt cheeks hanging out of their quote dresses. Oh my uh-huh, my table decided to spend the majority of dinner speculating who these bitches were. I finally caught up with my friend the bride and apparently they were friends of the groomsmen. Lots of air quotes on Friends yikes. So then a few hours and many glasses of wine later. We are on the Dance Floor the DJ had done a few odd things weird spoking interjections interesting song Choices Etc, but about two-thirds of the way through the night. He stops the music and says, he's going to play one of his favorite songs. He starts the song from somewhere in the base of my alcohol-soaked brain. I immediately realized three things number one. I This song but couldn't quite place it number two. I hadn't heard the song in a long time number three. This song is fucking awesome. I did a classic white girl and started losing it on the Dance Floor, by the way, that's what they call the the trucks in Nashville with all the women on the back. They call them woo mobiles because they go by and everybody goes white girl. Yeah, that's true. It was all white girls too. It totally was there's so far there was Has no people of color and me where I don't know. Did you notice that though? Like it seems like Truck Yeah, like in the bachelorette parties and stuff. It seemed to be 95% like white girl. Wu's really seemed to me. I mean, this is just I didn't even think about it until now but now that I think about it and the guys in The Bachelor paid attention I didn't well, we're from a very Multicultural area, right but me I don't know if it's the area or what but it seemed to be like when white girl Wu's all the way. Yeah. So she did her classic white girl. Woo and started losing it on the Dance Floor. My fiancé asked what song it was we are still in the intro and I played it forward in my head until I got to the chorus and realized. Oh no, this is not a wedding appropriate song. What song was it? Scotty Doesn't Know from Europe from EuroTrip and it says Rebecca will know this movie. I do know this movie. Listen. Listen, I know the cover of that movie and it looked Such trash I was like a void. So anyway, no. Oh God. It's a oh my God, is it not trapping right matinee? My demon saying it I think is it not a trash movie. No, it's awesome. It's trash I can tell I know it is such trash I can tell what's it about Rebecca. How many erections are there in it? It's so good. You have to hear the song though guys I is so wrong size for this. This thing did you notice she didn't answer my question about how many erections are in this movie? It's because it's trash five feet. There you go. Now, I don't know how many erections you count them admit it Rebecca will know this movie. I love that they're calling you and they know exactly the kind of films you watch while she watched it to ya cause she's like you so she knows she can identify one of you okay, if you are unfamiliar, it's a song about how Scotty Doesn't Know his girlfriend is banging the singer. That's not bad or that's not good. Not a wedding song everyone on the Dance Floor went to their tables and sat down except the strippers, but the DJ play the whole song and she's in the corner our listeners in the car gone. Yeah. Oh dear. Thank you for that story. That was hilarious. So awesome. That's awesome, you know of that you and Rebecca need to get together and have a movie night apparently and I'm just going to sit there on the corner scoffing at you both. I love it. Oh my gosh as photographers. I don't know how many times you showed up to a wedding Rebecca, but there would be like missing ties. 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Owls they even have a wedding planner program to assist all of you wedding planners out there. That's awesome. So let's save the time save some money and most importantly save your sanity by checking out generation talks.com secret. Don't forget to use promo code. It's a secret for 10% off. Okay a bride punching her sister in the face and giving her a bloody nose. This happened in front of the hair and makeup ladies about two hours before the ceremony then the bride. Assisted that they fix the sister's makeup the hair and makeup ladies refused and left after calling the police to report what happened afterward the owner of the hair and makeup company charge the card on file for the full amount when the bride through fit over the charge as only two people out of her eight people had their hair and makeup completed. I had the pleasure of reminding her that in the contract. She agreed to pay in full in the event regardless. Of the circumstances. She was free to dispute the charges. I spoke to the hair and makeup company and the bride didn't bother disputing. I wonder how the hell that jobs like that are actually married. She was an absolute nightmare to work with. Let me tell you guys that is why you have contracts as vendors, uh-huh in case the bride gets punched in the face. No the bride poor she punches stir in the Saudis in case the bride punches her sister in the face. That's fucked. Yeah. Really Uncle some kind of I wish I was there. You just see the phone creep up record. And this next one starts kind of problematic. Okay. It says I had really bad gas. I think from nerves. Maybe she had too much White Castle as possible. Ah, the bridal party was about to walk down the aisle and I let out a horrible. Horrible fart, oh it smells. So awful that I knocked my sister over she had White Castle. She had White Castle. Listen, they're not called sliders for nothing is useless. Okay? Well, she fell and pushed a little girl getting the girl's arm stuck in a railing. The girl was screaming everyone knew about my ghastliness by the end of the That's incredible when you fart so powerfully you knock a human over right right get someone stuck in a railing. It may not be The Surety bride story, but we had to get something similar in of course. It's an Anna. Hey, it's a party. It's an anniversary. Yep, another bridesmaid and I had to bring red wine and a basket of bread to the altar instead of waiting for the priest. We went up the stairs. I stepped on my long dress and abruptly stopped the other girl. Didn't stop in time and I spilled the entire bottle of wine all over our addresses and the bride. Oh, it's like all you can hope is that they had like burgundy dresses, but of course the bride would be in Pure White. So yeah so bad. Finally something where my employment is relevant. I do event planning and Catering two months ago. I was working the serving end of a marriage reception and apparently the maid of honor had decided to become vegan two hours before the reception guys. There's a place in time. Maybe this was the time. Apparently I don't she got her calling from the vegan God and what was being served everyone. Steak potatoes and an assortment of veggies this woman flipped out that we wouldn't cook the meal that she looked up online some fucking outrageously difficult meal. We told her that we had plenty of veggies and salad, but know this woman had to have that meal the bride eventually told her literally to shut the fuck up or get out. I love it. You know the funniest part the bitch ended up eating the steak. Wow. Wow, that was short trip short-lived trip down here. You drained. Yeah, Sonya vegan Lane was short the bitch ended up eating the steak after making us take it away ten minutes after her freaked out. She wanted it back me and my boss agreed that she was jealous of all the attention her friend was getting and just had to have some for herself. Or she's just a straight cunt. Yeah, there's either or option A and option b. Yeah, either way that is a period Ike's I've been an event manager at various types of places and the wedding drama is really what ended the career path for me and annoyingly late nights once at a high-end golf course. I was working on the seating chart the bride and groom put the groom's brother at the farthest possible spot from them turns out it wasn't far enough. What an embarrassing character. This man was gorgeous dress to the nines in his perfect light gray suit, and he was apparently a top lawyer in our Capital City. Anyway bride and groom chose many bottles of wine for their favours. They wanted to do a group photo shoot on one of the fairways. So all the guests were out of the building for about half an hour. I came out of my office to see him Downing every bottle. He could find and leaving the open bottles on the tables to drip red wine all over the blush tablecloths. Oh, no, the room hadn't yet been revealed and was about to be with this huge mess. I started telling him to leave the room Etc. He turns to me has red wine all over him. Like some toddler was spaghetti. He starts yelling at me cussing me out telling me who he is blah blah blah. I cut him off at 4:00 p.m. He spent the whole dinner harassing my servers for wine stealing other people's drinks and hiding the drugs. Thinks his more empathetic family members got him. I repeatedly begged the bride's father to boot him out something I couldn't do for business politics reasons, of course. Mmm. Finally he did after seeing his son berating me in the parking lot after catching him breaking beer bottles behind everyone's cars God. He's a fucking hot mess man. Holy shit. He proceeded to scream how I ruined his brother's wedding in his now burgundy and Grace. A suit while the police escorted him away. I was at work until 6 a.m. Cleaning up broken glass with a flashlight. So the early golfers didn't have issues before maintenance started their workday being engaged is so exciting but planning a wedding is so stressful. Don't let your big day cause unnecessary Financial worries ready to take your relationship to the next level with the twine app saving money towards your financial goals. Just got easier save with a cash savings account or invest in a portfolio customized for you based on your Needs a with automatic deposits from your bank to twine. You can set it forget it and save up without even trying no more temptation to spend that extra money and did we mention that you can share a goal with a partner and save together that's teamwork with twine. You can save and invest for the things that matter to you. 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Sometimes I don't know when he's joking and I'm kind of like I don't know if I should laugh or not. Yeah, it's funny if it's a joke, if it's not it's not funny. I love that he confuses you that much of totally gonna tell him and he'll talk with you even more and it'll be great. I'm like, what do I say? It'll be so good. Okay. We have one more listeners story this week now. I don't know if she wants to be named or not. So I'm not going to name her because I don't want to get in trouble for that. Can you imagine we named someone in there? Like, how dare you? Yeah, let me start off by saying my mother-in-law is not a huge fan of me always a good sign right for Sample, she told everyone in her church that I was evil five years ago. And now every time I go to church with them everyone gives me mean hugs. Well, I'm going to read that again. What's that mean hug? I don't know. I guess just like Oh, sorry. I read that wrong. Okay, I'm gonna try to read that again and not fuck it up everybody. It was still funny though because everybody's picturing mean hugs like hugging you fucking yatch in the ear hat that pat on the back that drilling or that hug where it's like you put your armor on someone but your body you could fit an entire person in between you yes, that's the kind of hug and Rebecca does I'm kidding. She doesn't actually know I totally do you do not not to me. I don't put I know what I must Because that's how my son hugs. Really. Yeah, and I have to say no. I want a real one things like, okay. Do you know what Justin does to me? And I could kill him for it every time he does it. I'm like fucking stop he comes in and he does a half turn he turns and he like he gives me his shoulder practically and kind of like puts his arms and I'm like this is bullshit and I call him on the bullshit of his hug. And then I face him forward and full and plant him just right on that. Oh, yeah. I have no patience for that. So I'm going to read this again and not fuck it up this time. Okay guys, so as you know, she told the Mother-in-law told everybody in the church that she was evil five years ago. And now every time I go to church with them, I think she's I think she what she's saying is everybody kind of gives her a Mean Mug like like kind of like looks gives her the stink eye, you know, okay, by the way, nobody knows why I'm evil since she has never given anyone a real reason as to why she doesn't like me. She supposedly loves me now, and she Tells me that she does constantly but her actions say otherwise many more stories. I could tell you about stuff. She said about me and done in the past, but I'll just tell you all about the wedding stuff for now number one at our engagement party. She sat in the corner and when people tried to come up to her she straight up ignored them like acted like they weren't there or just looked in the other direction. Wow. Wow, that's that's got C to do you have to have a high level of self-confidence to just be like you don't exist right now. Now yeah at my bridal shower my dog. Does that well, as long as we know we're comparing her to number two at my bridal shower. The one she actually came to her and my sister-in-law showed up for 10 minutes when she arrived. She immediately said that she was not staying and whatever people would come up and try to say hi. She would scream loudly that she wasn't staying so basically people just thought she was weird and left her alone. Then the people at my bridal shower went around the room saying where they met me and when it got to her she said I am the groom's Mom very short and rude, which was Then followed up to my aunt when she said yes. This is the future mother-in-law. My mother-in-law replied mother-in-law is such a Negative term. She doesn't need to call me that we will come up with a different name, which was so weird about Shannon. She Anna we all know what that means don't we number three after they left my sister-in-law texted me and apologized saying she got onto her mother after she left. Her mother's response was why doesn't everyone just leave me alone. I would she's like an emo mother-in-law that is what I'm hearing. I would just like to sit there and be a fly on the wall. Nobody needs to talk to me. Maybe it's just menopause number four. She's a real. Basket of sunshine number four. Also, we went to take a picture and everyone had to beg for her to get into it. She then told me to crop her out. So nobody would see her in it also takes yikes. Also. I just want to say that my wedding is 10 days away and she still has not picked out a dress for herself. Oh. She's really happy about this wedding. Wow. Can't wait to see what she does at our wedding. There may be more stories to come. Oh boy. Oh boy. Oh boy. That is a yikes. Okay, before we end this week we are going to do double D's. Whoo, so we are on dating, which is always a fun topic. I went on a Tinder date in January then ended poorly at the end. He tried to kiss me. I dodged tripped over a curb and broke my fibula while falling into traffic. Holy shit. That's a bad date. This guy got down in the road with me moved my hair behind my ear and said we could tell people that we fell in love the corniness is incredibly. Yeah, the time was I mean, she's hurt dude. Yeah, it's just not even she's really gonna get the fuck off me. Yeah. Yeah. Oh God last one for this week. He asks me out to dinner but instead of a restaurant he pulls into an empty parking lot and pulls out his half flaccid dick God that's a turn-on sausage. Yeah, no kidding. Right? He looks at me with a shrug and goes. Hey, yeah, he's like a Canadian that will always get your dick sucked like really? Yeah. I look at him in the eye all Stern. For a good minute before he zips up his pants and he drives me back home in complete silence only when we pull in my driveway. He says your eyes are too big for your face really bruised ego much buddy. Oh my God, I just get out and start walking to my door, but he gets out to I figured to apologize but no he tries to kiss me. Good night that I don't think I would have stayed in the car if a guy Dover and worked out his dick I'd be like and we're done. Oh, yeah, I would have gotten out and right right into an Uber immediately. Yeah, like not even though I can't even it's not even it's not even an option at that point. Yeah. Yeah, that's crazy. So we have to do MFM update. Oh we have to do we have to know I'm at 5 update, but I also want to say thank you to our patrons this week. Yeah, can't forget them our new patrons this week our Diego said Yes Z because I'm Canadian Mackenzie B and Shanna they went to patreon.com slash secret life of weddings to get additional episodes every single week. Thank you so much for supporting the show guys. You guys rock you do. Thank you Charlotte Solomon our producer for this week. So there has been on the tail of our tail end of our last episode. We talked about the my favorite murder drama, and I basically did a cool notes version. I updated Rebecca about everything happening in the my Murder podcast world and there's been a lot a lot. There's been a lot and there's more now. So if you missed last week and you want to know what I'm talking about, you might want to go back to episode 99 and just listen to the tail end of it where I kind of gave her the lowdown because she wasn't sure what was going on. But since we recorded that episode there has been further developments. So of course not of course not long ago at Sea sellers who were making my favorite murder merch Ouch, and that type of thing with like, you know, stay sexy don't get murdered SSD GM like their catch phrases and things started getting these kind of questionable letters. It was they were a cease and desist letter from a lawyer, you know, and the lawyer said in the letter they were representing Karen and Georgia from my favorite murder and they want them to stop producing this merch that has these specific phrases on them in particular that they're trademarked. I think it was SSD GM stay sexy. Don't get murdered and my favorite murder those were the Marx but I guess the letter wasn't really like certain things weren't worded correctly or weren't they weren't worded as well as I'm wording the sentence essentially. So the point is people were like, I don't know if this is legit. It also doesn't seem like something Karen and George would do because Karen and Georgia from my favorite murder have encouraged people on Etsy to create their fan art for as long as we can remember. Yeah, right. So from the beginning of the show They were like, this is awesome. As long as you know, you're not mass producing a t-shirt with our logo on it and you know, Jen generically selling it and shit like that. They were encouraging the fan art to be made, you know to be fair. They should because you know, it's about the fans podcasting is half, you know more than half about the fans, right? Yeah. So they as a result of encouraging it all this really amazing art was being made people are doing everything for illustrations to bracelets to jewelry to posters to just everything you could Imagine Under the Sun and even myself. I made my favorite murderdolls, right and it's just it was a really cool artistic movement almost and people really encouraged it people made their living from these stores, but it was because you know, they had encouraged it from the beginning and as a result. The Etsy store is in the artwork movement actually propelled the show forward. They also sent a ton of free shit to the girls and they loved it. They open gifts on are they like they encouraged all of this. They did shout outs to the Etsy stores themselves. They were highly highly accepting and encouraging of this movement. So when people got this letter, they were like what the fuck this can't be right? So they question the truth of it. They actually, you know, people went to the lawyer and said like are you for real right now? And he said yeah, but the problem is nobody had heard a word from Karen and Georgia and still haven't so I'll be fair they're not let they're probably not allowed to comment on every sure they are they always comment on their podcast. Not always but usually when there's a big fluffy some going on a big kerfuffle in the community, they'll comment on it and they should yeah, so we have to be very careful what they say because there's lawyers involved. No, but it's simply a cease-and-desist like because of a trademark. It's not really complex. But the point is nobody got a given a heads-up and its really pissing people off. Yeah, because people should know that this was coming so that changes could be made but furthermore people are calling them Hypocrites and just, you know, maybe not Hypocrites, but just I love going back on what they stood flyer beginning wires. Well, who knows but well essentially you are a liar then because you just went back on what you said you were going to do. It's like yeah, you know, it's like us going into the wedding groups right now and poaching all the stories which we could and we'd have endless content, but we don't but we don't because we consider that a group thing. Right? Like we're it's considered to help because we said we wouldn't do it. So we're not going to do it and I exactly want to do it but I'm not going to do it because I said I wouldn't do it. Yeah, and it'd be like you going back on that. And just fucking doing it and then it's like yeah, you're I'm not trying to shit on them or anything. It's just seems like they keep taking wrong turns at some level. It's problematic because they really should have a PR person at this point. I kind of don't understand why they don't not like they they make a lot of money off their podcast a lot. Yeah. They're millionaires easy. Yeah, and yeah, it's just everybody just feels kind of shunned and it's been nothing but a money grab lately. They've got a book coming out right now, too. So every post about the book, Is just problems in the comments, like everybody is shitting all over the situation and it's just getting worse. It's basically the dumpster fires getting bigger. It's getting hotter and we just want to talk to you on that because you know, we do deal. Yeah the gospel Sucka shit ton of fans, of course bow shitloads. Yeah, but I you know, I don't agree with that see stuff again Switzerland, but I don't agree with it. It's problematic. Well, I just don't okay, I would agree with it if it was that way from Beginning. Yes, if you want to protect your brand, you know, and you don't cool. I get it. It's I totally get it. But that's the thing small sellers that you've encouraged. That's the problem. You've encouraged it. You've made a decision. It's not cool for considering the amount of money you make especially it's not really cool considering your fan base to go back on that promise. They have they make a fucking shit ton. So I mean, I know you know what to be fair. We don't make a shit ton, but his hair very fair of me to say that if sellers did that with our podcast would be cool with it. I don't know. I think it would depend on what it was it really would and it's not even something you have to think about right now. So I'm not even going out of but you know, yeah, the point is though we wouldn't go back on whatever decision we made right? Why is no one making March for our show y'all are Slackers Canada, but it's true. It's sad because a lot of these Etsy sellers. This is how they make their livelihood and they really did it out of a love for the show. Yeah. And it was supportive of the brand and yeah, so that's what's going on right now. And can we be real like come on, everyone does knockoff shit. So does it and that these and that it's not even knock off because these Etsy sellers are making their own designs. So actually you're not copying. I don't know. I admire them for being able to do that. I can't do that. They're not copying something that's like in their store. For example their cop. They're creating new product, you know that is inspired by their R catch phrases and things like that. So yeah, which you know, yeah, I could like I get it if they were doing like mimicking everything in their store, but they're not cells. They're like, I have an awesome idea for a teepee t-shirt. I'm going to totally do anything. I would be I would buy at see stuff over there March because I like the stuff in Etsy about her. Yeah, everybody says that to the stuff and that's the offense to them or anything. But I think maybe you know instead they should, you know be contacting some of these Etsy artist hire them and be like Can you design our next line? How good would that go over amazing like PR and stuff? Yeah. Okay girls hire us for your PR immediately. Oh my gosh. I just don't get it. I mean, I don't get it. I know that's how you know, these aren't stupid women either women. So it's just that's the thing. So it kind of blows my mind a bit. That's the thing. When you have a podcast guys, you have to treat it like a business and you have to be careful what turns your take. Absolutely you don't want to hurt people. On a lighter note and our hundredth episode my thighs have finally stopped hurting they done being on fire. Aah, they are so when we went out on our last night in Nashville, I wore a dress now. I was very proud because this dress I've had it since I was very young like early 20s and it's like this magic piece of garment. I don't even know it's like this magic garment that fits no matter like the Magic School Bus it is the Magic School Bus of dresses for me, okay? My body no matter what size I am I was a kid. Like I said, I was like 20 and it wouldn't fit me and I like multiple sizes bigger now and it I couldn't believe it. I fit me and I owe nothing like that. I hadn't tried it in years. The only other dress that ever fit me like that that it fits other women who are a lot smaller is my dress that I wore in Paris at the photo shoot the gold one it fits like but that was like several hundred dollars this dress, you know was just cheap and it's like a gene. Yeah. It's like a genie wrap dress, but the problem was after After a night out in this dress, I had the worst thigh chafing ever. Okay, so we're walking and I'm like, oh my God, it's like to baked hams. Just shit hurts it fucking hurts. So the next day I'm like I shouldn't laugh and not oh, yeah cannot wait to get into my yoga pants, right? So I get into my yoga pants still hurts, right? Yeah. It's thank God. It's just stopped, but I was like, you know memories of Nashville walking to school. To pick up my kids and like my thighs hurt the and you know, yeah, holy shit though. I don't usually wear dresses and go walking around places. So this is like a new phenomenon to me, but good on you whoever puts up with that for long periods of time because it wasn't pleasant. Yeah, he needs some shorts or some shit underneath. I need something. Well, I need to know I need something to like cover the entire area. Like I don't think shorts are gonna cut it and you'd like long pants or I need to get like yoga pants and cut them at the knee, you know, yeah. I will say we went to Kid Rock Kid Rock's Bar on the Friday night. I loved it. So amazing. The band was phenomenal the singer. Her name was Rachel. We do not know who she is. But if someone knows who she has can you please point me in the right direction so I can listen to more of her music. She was incredible. They were cover band. Yeah, but they were insane. I've never seen that she was crowd surfing over the Dance Floor singing while she was in the air. They were taking requests. It was Insanity. It was so much fun. Really? All yeah. Yeah, it was really cool. We love love love love love love. So if you ever go down there, there's like five floors and it's called it's new. It's only been open for a couple months. It's Kid Rock's honky-tonk and Steakhouse. I think that's what they call it. It's the greatest. It's the greatest domain ever because it's literally Kid Rock's honky-tonkin Steakhouse.com and it's like the longest URL you've ever seen in your life. Yeah. It is great funny. It is so fun and every floor has a different band on it and they're all playing like I'd like for me it was fabulous because I'm not into country music. So yeah as much as I enjoyed it kind of being on the background and things like that. I wouldn't so much actively go listen to it in a bar. So for me, they're playing like Weezer, they're playing whatever else they're playing covers, you know part like Bon Jovi, they're playing really fun party rock and roll and yeah, every floor had a different band doing it and it was it was really cool. We went there twice, you know, yeah, so that was probably our hangout I would say, that's our that's our spot. Yeah. That was our spot School. Rebecca I'm like this is officially my favorite bar in the world. It's too bad. It had not closer, you know, yeah, no kidding and all of the rest of Nashville outside of that main strip there is beautiful like truly. Yeah. I realize thoroughly enjoyed seeing it because you know, when I saw it when I was there as a kid, obviously it wasn't it didn't look the same and there's a lot more buildings and whatnot going on, but very cool. Yeah. It was very cold. It was really neat so big fan of Nashville, if you ever want to go there go just don't go to the hotel. We told you. About yes avoid that one avoid that one, but there's plenty of amazing ones. I'm sure read the reviews don't forget. All right. Well, I think that's good for our hundredth episode. That's it. That's it. Everybody from here on out yet from here on out. It's a hundred and one we're starting again. It's crazy. There we go. And Rebecca anything can happen at weddings and we will be here to tell you all about it. Well, that's it for us this week on The Secret Life of weddings podcast if you need more drama, Your life go over to patreon.com slash secret life of weddings to sign up for additional weekly episodes. The first few episodes are free. So go check it out patreon.com secret life of weddings, and we will see you here next week.

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So thanks again to everyone who voted I think we're going to be holding another coal soon. So make sure you keep an eye out for that. Now we are going to be discussing this game pretty And depth and it is like 30 years old. So just a fair warning. There are going to be some spoilers ahead before we jump straight into all of the Dragon Quest to goodness, though. We wanted to take a moment and just think all of our new Patron on our podcast brand-spankin'-new patreon. So BJ you want to take it away and that promise to everybody who pledges to our patreon a real nice. Thank you. So Let me give a real nice. Thank you to Steve. Wit Camp. You are fantastic Human Being Mike sweet. I just love you. Justin Andrew Mason. You are a fantastic human person. I love you so much Andy Hildebrandt. Oh boy, Andy Andy and DJ Pimp Daddy, you sure are the pimpy. Astadia all them DJs. Thank you real good. Is that really he? Is that what a real good? Thank you. Is it is like you have up your southern accent? I do that's what I do. Well, that's weird. Anyway, so for those of you who don't know about Dragon Quest 2, I'm just going to power on through here. So Dragon Quest to it is a direct sequel to the very first Dragon Quest game this one it set about 100 years after the events in the first game that focuses on three cousins. They're all the descendants of erdrich and they're trying to save the world from this evil sorcerer Hog on. Basically, you get to run around just this fairly open world and you kill stuff with your cousin's so that's pretty fun. It's really neat to that. It's a direct sequel to Dragon Quest one, which is kind of a sequel to Dragon Quest 3, when you get to the story like Dragon Quest 2 is the last in terms of story for the erdrich trilogy. So it goes like 3 1 2 if you're going to play them all the way through. Lori order like chronological order and then so to before we get too far into this. I just want to add I forgot to mention this earlier, but I did play the mobile version on iOS that's when I played and beat this game on right you've played the Game Boy Color version a little bit and the mobile version, correct? And actually yeah played the the Game Boy Color version. I've tried the Super Nintendo version the super famicom version of it and really didn't like Like it that much and then the the Remake that they've done for it and then I'm actually playing through the mobile version right now, which honestly I like better than either of the other two that I've tried. So this is going to be the one like I haven't beaten this one, but it's the one that's a lot more fun just overall to play. So I really like the the mobile version of this one like you had played through. Is there a is there a certain reason why you prefer the mobile version? I like the battles better for some reason on the others like going through this. While I keep actually keep dying in the beginning of this like a always do with the beginning of a Dragon Quest game. Like I realized that I need to do more battles in Dragon Quest games. Like I always get killed a few times at the beginning of a special one of the older Dragon Quest games and I never just grind up a couple of levels to keep going. So I always try to explore and I go back to the beginning and it seems Less penalizing in the Game Boy not Game Boy. It seems less penalizing the iOS version or maybe the Droid version to the mobile version and then it doesn't any of the others. So I like this one a lot better just in terms of that and the quick the quicksave. Is that what it's called? I can't remember the quicksave part of it. I couldn't remember if it was something else like memo save or whatever but it it really does make a ton of difference in these in these mobile games to be able to just quick save and restart if you need to and do you remember what names they gave you for your like the default names for your characters? I don't remember right now. No, okay, because the reason I ask that is so I beat this game way back in like January so it's been a while. But so just for those of you who don't know the three characters we have our main hero. He's the prince of Mendenhall. There's the prince of kanak and I assume these are this is how you pronounce these things. But so there's the prince of Mendenhall the prince of cannock and then there's the princess of moon Brooke but the names are like Randomly generated, I guess it's all the reason. Yeah. So the reason I was wondering is because like the I just went with the names that it gave me. Like you can name your me. You can name your hero but like the prince of cannock and the prince of Moon Princess of moon Brooke. I went ahead and just went with the default and the princess of moon broker's was fairly kind of something like I figured it would be I was like Gwyneth or like Gwendolyn or something like that. Yeah, which you know, I it is like a is coded in there because of like Waylon the princess from the first one and but the prince of can it gave me a really weird name for him. His name was just like Tony or something like like it was like it's not like a weird name, but it's like a weird Dragon Quest ain't you know what? I mean? Like, you know, you don't like there's not just necessarily just like I don't know. But anyway, I can't remember what the guys name was like Tommy or Tony or something like that and I was like Really do not expect in a DQ game. Yeah, and I'm trying to see like I'm going around right now and talking to talking to NPCs and see if they'll tell me again and I can't it's not telling me what the defaults were. Like, I just went with them. I was going to name them something silly and then I decided just to go with go with what it was and I cannot I can't find any NPC right now telling me what they are that I chose so I didn't. Realize they were randomly generated either. Yeah, I did. I'm not sure how how like, I think that's a cell phone thing. I think it's for the mobile versions. I think that was one of the new things they had in for the mobile versions is just like it's like a randomly generated names instead of you like naming each of the three main characters that gives you like a recommendation. I guess that's what I call it. And so I don't know. I was just curious kind of what the because I'm not sure. I haven't read anything that's like a list of like all the different names that are possible and it may be that no one knows. It may just be like this incredibly long list and it may even be one of those things where it's like where you know, they take like they take certain sounds and then they just kind of make names out of them randomly so you can end up with like really absurd names for things is it weird that I want to Start this game come really not that far into it that that I want to do it so I can rename the characters then if those aren't the official names. It's kind of weird. Yeah, I mean they don't have official name. So does it feels like why would I send him these stupid names? I don't know. I don't care about like I want to name them something I care about it's weird. Like I'm seriously looking at my phone right now and being like I'm not far enough along in this to have dumb names for 10 hours. It's a that's me you guys. That's the kind of stuff I care about in video game. So don't like Dragon Quest 9 though because I got to give them all the names that I wanted and completely customize them. Like I saw that sack Chief did a video of ranking all of the the Dragon Quest games and Dragon Quest 9 was talking about how it felt like less of a party because they didn't have their own stories and you couldn't do Party Chat and stuff like that because they were there like Dragon Quest 3 where you just made them and I liked that that was one of my favorite Parts was being able to customize. Send and give them names. So realizing that I chose the default names in this one and not and that wasn't a thing that matters. It's like oh, I'm gonna go rename these guys. I'm restarting and had because that was my like literally my favorite part about Dragon Quest 9 and what I'm looking forward to about Dragon Quest 3 is because I get to really create that party that I take with me Kasia and out. I like the customization stuff fine and nine is still the only one I haven't played I plan on getting it. Into it after I beat Builders to but I really like the party chat, you know, I know complained on here and on my blog about then taking it out of the DS version of Dragon Quest for and so I really do enjoy the party chat and just you know out waste a lot of time just going into the menu and going over to the party chat and seeing what funny things my party members say. So so I can totally see that how it would feel like less of a party because you can't get to talk to everybody because that is One of my favorite parts of especially later Dragon Quest games for they have that and you can just kind of talk to everybody and see and also if you I like it because like with Aid especially I took some breaks between it and so it's kind of convenient because you can pull up party chat and Angus will be like, we're supposed to go over that gov or whatever he calls. Yeah, and he calls you go because you go of yeah. Yeah, and so so I really like that about it my the thing about Dragon Quest 2, though. Though and they don't have an ask is do you have party chat into like that wasn't invented yet when this game came out, but did they put it in for later remakes? I actually this would like the mobile one that yeah, you're playing with actually don't know. I feel like I feel like you could talk to the party members into but I could be wrong. Like I said, it's been so long since I played this game. Yeah, that may be something to follow up on because I'm not sure. I vaguely remember it. The reason I think you can is because so this is one of the spoilers here, but the princess of moon Brooke when you first encounter her she's a dog. She's been turned into a dog. Oh, so people are talking about. Okay, and so I remember her. I remember being able to like turn around and talk to the dog and the dog be like wolf wolf would be like the dog whimpers sadly and things like that, right? And so I But I can't remember if it's because once the dog was in your party for that little bitty while because you can talk to and get the dog to join your party. You don't have to you can just go get the item turn her back into a human and do all that stuff too. That will Quest but I'm not really sure. I don't think it was party chat though. I think I was just kind of like talking to the dog. Okay, got it into my party because if I remember correctly, she won't leave the town that you're in. I believe she stays in the town. Like she'll be your party show the dog will follow you around then once you leave the town she won't be in it anymore. Aw crud. I was about to say that if that were the case when I get there, she's staying a dog because one of the reasons I want to play like like Tales of Vesperia is that you have a dog with a sword in its mouth that fights for you in your party. And like that's one of the reasons I'm getting Pokemon Sword is because the legendary is a dog The Sword in its mouth and so I was really hoping that the princess of moon Brooke was going to be was going to be a dog and she would fight with you. I didn't know all of the sword in her mouth but no no, she's actually she's actually a pretty good spellcaster. I really liked she's very powerful. But so here's the here's another thing is the the AI for the tactics and everything and Dragon Quest 2 is not the best. It's one of those that didn't have the a I originally and then they've added. Into some remakes like it's I mean, it's definitely there on the mobile web right? I don't know. What at what point down the light chain they added this in but the AI was not terribly good. Like I know I think I complain to you about this at the time was that I tried to play this game even just minor enemy encounters with the setting to fight wisely. Mmm. Yeah, I remember it totally didn't work because there were so many times that Especially the prince of cannock who if you haven't played this game. You probably seen a meme or a joke online or something. I'm Prince of you can if about dies all the time like he's just pretty much always dead. I mean, I feel like in that game. I know this is kind of like a running joke with Dragon Quest 2, but it's kind of true. Like I really feel like a lot of the time it was my hero the princess and then just this coffin like dragging along behind them and and my favorite thing like that's why I knew about Dragon Quest 2 and and like how bad of a party member he was was because of that Meme that I saw just like it may have been no context Dragon Quest the the Twitter account that I just saw a collection of like fanart of the Dragon Quest who hero the princess and just a coffin and all of these ridiculous situations and like like I think one of them like they were at a dance party. It was just her dancing with a - maybe like it was it like these things are great because apparently he's terrible and so it's gonna frustrate me so badly. Yeah. I mean there were there were several bosses, especially like in game bosses where he would just die and I would just let him stay dead instead of trying to like waste a turn trying to revive him or anything and Ivan. Ivan be got through the final battle. The prince died really early on like just you know, like second or third round. I had it in my notes. It was a third round. Okay, he died within like the third round of the final battle and I just didn't bother like Reviving him and just tried to power through with my hero and the princess doing her magic and like heels and stuff. Yeah and and got through it because I learned kind of early on that if I'm wasting all this these precious turns just healing the It's every single turn. It just takes forever to like do anything. And anyway, so the going back to the princess because I think that was like my original train of thought there is that I would get really annoyed because having it set to fight wisely because the princess would use like the last of her MP and she would cast Dazzle. It was always Dazzle. I don't know why but she would always cast Dazzle on enemies and use up. The last appearing P2 cast Dazzle when the especially the prince but also the hero were like really low and needed heels and she would just waste her and pee on Dazzle instead, even though she totally would have enough MP to Castile. And so that was really early on in that game. So I set her to follow orders and just controlled her throughout the whole game and loved her so much more for that like Dragon Quest 2, even though they added in the tactics and stuff. I think it's one of those games that you can't really Use tactics for like I for the most part most of the other games where they added and tactics like I could use it wisely and things like that at least for like the minor encounters, but when you're doing just grinding out stuff like that. Yeah, like tactics are fine that it's only within the major battles in the boss battles and bonus battles and things like that that I end up switching to follow orders. Yeah, and so not in Dragon Quest to like, it's just like you you switch it to follower. Orders you control it all and it's just it's it's a much easier game. If you do it's still a hard game, but it's easier if you just follow orders, and I also wanted to mention while we're talking about the characters here. And while we're talking about the prints and how he's always a coffin that guy was just like such a pain in the butt for me. Like I know I complained about him a lot and it was just kind of like he his defense is Very good. He dies a lot. Even at the beginning of the game. It's kind of annoying because you keep having to go back and forth between like his kingdom and like a cave and other places and everybody's like, oh, he's not here anymore. He's moved on to blah blah blah and then you keep going on and so he was already kind of like, oh my gosh, when am I ever gonna like finally find this guy and then you get in and like pretty much throughout the story. He just kind of lines a lot. And like he's almost like man. I can't think of the word. You know, where you think you're sick like someone sickly you react hypochondriac. Thank you his kind of a hypochondriac and even even like one point in the game. There's this town. It's called Baron. Okay, and he you go to sleep at the end and then the next day you wake up and something's wrong with him. It doesn't tell you why it's just like I don't know. He's got a case of like the vapors. I got the vapors. And anyway, you have to go and it actually sends you on like a little side Journey with you and the princess we have to travel like all the way across the world and you have to get an ID Drusilla leaf and revive him and it's the only way to get him back is you have to go get this eager Soul the leaf take it back to Baron and then he feels revived once. Use it on and otherwise you just go and you talk to them and he's basically like oh, I can't get out of bed. I am so tired and he just stays there. And so I found out much later after I had beaten this game that if you don't stay at the end and baron, it just doesn't happen. So I would say maybe just don't stay at the end there. It's not necessarily like it's not a necessity so I would just say maybe don't stay at the end and baron just get that part because like a pretty good pretty good thing to know that I'm not going to be doing that. Yeah, and so I mean and right now I know it sounds like I'm complaining a lot about this game and I really legitimately did like this game and even learn to love it and I have some really fun memories with it. And so, you know, I don't want to make it seem like I'm just going to be sitting here like complaining for the next like Thirty minutes or hour or however long the game does make a lot of improvements. I think from the very first one. First of all, you have that pool party line up, which is really nice. I mean, it's three instead of the typical for you get Dragon Quest but still really nice having a party and a lot it's both good and bad that point because you have a lot more freedom when you have a party to be able to make mistakes and it's much easier to not die and be sent back home and lose your Stuff but also at the same time you have to worry about equipping them which is my least favorite part of games like this on mobile because I tend not to not to want to go to Shops and and compare everything when I'm playing a game in spurts when I'm doing it just a little bit here and there so that's one of the the small things about Dragon Quest one on mobile. That was nice like oh, this is a better sword. I'm going to put this on I'm gonna go on out outside and fight things. Yeah that that is one thing. That kind of I guess I really like about the first Dragon Quest game is that there's one dude you worry about like if you get a weapon you get some armor, you put it on that one guy. And with this one we kind of have to even it out but I will say the one thing I like about the game is that the like legendary equipment and weapon. I can't even remember if it's actually called like heard Rick's armor in this one out think it is and it's just like legendary armor. But you it's split up. So like the hero gets one piece the the okay Prince gets a piece the princess I think even gets like think it's the helmet and sweat. She gets she gets a little something too so that so that is nice of them that they did split that up. At least. It wasn't just like your hero had all of the good stuff which I kind of gone back and forth on whether that's a good thing or not. And I think it is like I think I like that they split it up that way. Yeah, because usually in games like I tend to give the special armor. If it is something you can spread around like the best armor. I give it to the hero no matter what and then all of my other characters kind of get the hand-me-downs and I don't know if I'm the only one who does this but basically in like an 11 I'll have my main party and then always the the hero the luminary is going to have the by far Best Equipment then like whoever I keep them in an order like a dove descending. importance and then I will give this person the next best one that I've just taken off of the hero then the next person in line gets that next best thing and just continually move it down the line instead of equipping everybody all the time with the absolute best equipment that I possibly can and that's that's kind of why I'm glad that like you have to in this one put the legendary armor on one of the party members as opposed to well on each of the party members as opposed to One of them. Yeah, and and also like I think again, this is something I go back and forth on that. I liked its predetermined. So it's like the hero has to get this trends of kanak has to get this the princess has to get this where it's not like you it's not just like it's like, nope. You have to choose yourself because decisions like that in games really like mess with me where I tend to be very indecisive about that kind of stuff and especially in games that like warn you ahead of time. That's like are you sure this is the choice you want to make it's going to like drastically affect uh-huh your characters or the story or whatever. I always like no, I'll look it up online. Like what most people do like at that point. I'm like am I going to completely ruin the rest of this game for myself somehow and I look up what most people do who have played at multiple times if there's something like that so I make sure that I don't Like have something that I'm almost unable to help almost unable to power through at that point. I did that with the Guardians of the Galaxy The Tell-Tale series, you know how it gives you choices in that game all the time. Yeah. See, I don't look it up because I kind of like want to like I don't want it spoiled. I guess. I don't know like I guess I haven't played a game yet for it is like it affects me that much but in the Guardians game, like I killed Drax or I'll let draxe.com Die, oh, I guess which is I did and I'm pretty sure it's been a long time since I played that one but I'm pretty sure he like comes back. He's not really dead like everybody but everybody gets mad at you because you let him fall to like kill this giant space worm and like you're like the whole crew gets mad at you and for the longest time. I was like, oh man, I screwed up. I had totally like I didn't expect the game to just like killed racks, but then I'm like 99% sure. I remember in a later episode that he like comes back and he had to he didn't really die. He like Bob For worm or whatever but for the longest time, I thought I'd killed Drax. I felt really guilty about it. What tall tale does. I mean that's one of the things they want you to feel things like that. So yeah another get Improvement for Dragon Quest 2, though is it kind of has the beginnings of job roles? And this one like, you know, the hero is definitely that kind of hero, you know, he fights with a sword. He has a shield that kind of thing the the prince I think at least is kind of the early makings of the Mage class because he has really low defense like the Mages do in Dragon Quest. He's got the those kind of Magic Bus and different things that a lot of the majors tend to have in the Saints and then the princess is you know, the Healer for the party, but she does have some of the major abilities to so it's kind of like the I mean it's pretty basic stuff, but I definitely think it's the kind of the beginning of job roles in this game, which are like you also get you get a ship. Right. Oh that ship. Yeah, and I think I could be totally wrong about this and I couldn't find anything online that just told me explicitly granted. I also didn't look super hard. Right, but I did, you know to a basic Google search it up, but I think this might be the first video game like that to have a shift for World exploration. It might be yeah because I'm trying to think of others at that point like at this point like I can't remember. What year did you to originally came out? Was it a E7 maybe I think it was 87 years and I can't think of any others that have been released at that point the head of shit. Yeah, I think it was like really early 1987 is when it originally released because I want to I mean it was just like right on the heels of the first one, you know, January 26th ab7. Oh, you just looked it up. Yeah. Hey, I was right so very early in a 1987 and I can't think of any at that point that that had any anywhere near the the open-world kind of exploration that you have in this one because even like Legend of Zelda and things like that where you run around as a very small area technically and this one is pretty massive. Yeah. I mean there's a ship. There's also the word pool. Still teleportal thing right you can step on and this one which definitely got me lost on more than one occasion at which yeah, that'll happen. Anytime their warp things like that. I'm going to get lost in a game that doesn't have like a full world map. And this one I know is a much bigger map than the first one where it's like two and a half times as big as Dragon Quest one where it was a hundred by a hundred and then this one is 256 by 256. I know where I I had read that at one point where it's a lot bigger than the first game. So as you're used to exploring I know like toroidal power and a few others have been talking with me where they're like, I'm just wandering around I just keep going all these places. I like Dragon Quest 2 is so much more than the first one was just in terms of that openness. I think the second one also was the first one to have like gambling mini games because it had that it had that Pack him Bola Tombola. Oh, yeah, you get a Tombola ticket. Yeah. Yeah that you take it to certain NPCs and cities and it's like a really weird like slot machine type game where you it's like there's different symbols, you know, like a heart or like a triangle those kind of things. It reminds me of the you remember that in Super Mario Brothers 3. Yes, I do where you could go in and if you got like three mushrooms in a A row you don't like a mushroom and different things like that. That's what it really really reminds me of I was always I was really bad at the Tombola stuff and Dragon Quest 2 because either wouldn't win or I would win just enough to get another ticket. Just lay it out or you in real life. Yeah, and I was like, I don't think I'm going to I don't think I'm going to spend a lot of time on this like I have enjoyed the casinos and other kind of gambling mini games that are in later games, but the the Tombola tickets are, you know, not my favorite and then we also get the church's you don't just have to go to the wood king and the castle to save your game. You can actually go to like even think Dragon Quest 2 is not even just churches. There's Old men and a couple of towns that let you save at them. Yeah, you just go and there's like an old dude and he's like, you know, he speaks his like that like really proper like Middle English pseudo Middle English as like basically asking you if you want to save and of course, you should say yes because it's this game is hard. If you are not on mobile then save it literally every opportunity you can and if you are on mobile than quick save Save at any opportunity that you remember to. Oh, yeah take advantage that quick say like for me I care nothing about having like gamer cred. So I'm just like I'm going to take advantage that quick save every chance I get because I would rather do that and like play through the game see the story have fun with it. Then not take advantage of quicksave for like dragging rights or whatever and then just died and have to replay another like two. Is a game, you know, and the quicksave in this one. Let me just say that the quick save and run quest one and Dragon Quest 2 and I'm going to assume Dragon Quest 3 when at least these three work the same we're in like I'm used to the Final Fantasy quicksaves where you have to quit the game when you do it where it's an overwritten file, you quick save it lit moves you back to the menu and then when you restart it erases that data, that's not the case with the Dragon Quest games you save you can continue immediately. Immediately where you are and when you start the game again, you can start back from that quick save data as opposed to a and adventurers log and it's ridiculously wonderful for this because it's I hate the quicksave mechanic that kind of memos save where it deletes it once you once you resume it and this one does not do that and it is so wonderful that it doesn't and I love it and I'm so happy about that. I think it's a I think it's a mobile versus DS because All of the DS Dragon Quest or at least four five and six the three that I played on the original idea the quicksave puts you back to the yes to the end actually quit. Yeah, you have to go back to like the home screen or whatever the DS the mobile games and I've only played one two and three on mobile. I think you played for on mobile. Right? I've played part of it. I hated it and then got the DS version like, why don't he did you have it and you called anymore right now to even check? Okay. I didn't know if you ever quick saved in for to see If it does that or not, I'm sure I did because I can't remember if it's a mobile thing or if it's a one two and three things. I'm pretty sure it's a mobile thing because I mean it makes sense when people are playing on their phones. They don't they're not going to typically I think it's because they're not going to typically just sit there and play for long hours. I think they're trying to think of more like you play it while you're waiting, you know at the doctor waiting for the bus or you know, while you're in the car, hopefully not die waiting for lunch at your with your nephew. It's when I was playing yesterday actually. Yeah, exactly. And so I think that's why it's I think all the mobile versions have that I definitely know one two, and three do but I've played as you know played the rest of DS or 3DS, which Dragon Quest 8 on the 3DS, you know has that kind of safe function for you don't have to quit you can just do the quick save and then he playing it's been so long since I played that one. I don't remember that because I typically on the DS I typically just close the DS instead of thinking about quicksaving so that it was one of the things I don't remember about that one kind of like I said a couple times before Dragon Quest 2, it's hard and I think that's why people seem like they don't like it because I hear so many people like really dumped on Dragon Quest 2. And so it's always good. So it's always good to hear for me. At least I'm black when I hear people like complimenting Dragon Quest 2, because I do really like the game and it is really hard. It's probably the hardest Dragon Quest game at least in the main series. It's also it's probably one of the hardest just RPGs I've ever played. I mean, even you know, it's it's an 80s RPG all of those like late 80s early 90s jrpgs. We're all kind of all kind of are tough. You know, I don't know man. I've got some of those shin Megami tensei games. They are insane. I'm not sure this is it's going to take a lot to be harder than any actual shin Megami tensei game I've ever played and I don't play those games. So I'm just saying out of the jrpgs. I played I think Dragon Quest 2 is probably the hardest so also and this feels weird. But I also I feel like I'm a better like gamer after beating it after beating it. I could see that after all the rage text that I've been that I've gotten from you before you beat it. And as you beat it that I can see that you've made I could see that I don't even know how to put this I could see that it has made you better at making those decisions and figuring things out I could see how it would do that. I mean, it's definitely like every every game I've played since then and I can pretty sure all but one of those games have been an RPG every game. I've played since beating to like, I definitely feel more confident because I'm like I can beat Dragon Quest 2. I can be anything. Yeah. Yeah. I understand. I totally like that's how I started running. I did a It's to 5K thing on the hottest record day that we had ever had and while it was dangerous. It was like, you know what I can run anything now, I've made it through that. I feel like I'm gonna die. Let's do this and I'd started running more often and better and enjoying it after that. But like, okay cool. I've done this. I understand that about drag quest to as well and illegal. Yeah and I will say for those people who who don't like Dragon Quest 2 even hate Dragon festive, like don't get me wrong. I mean, I I'm a Myself almost I almost quit several times during this playthrough back in back in like January. I even had an entire life blog post about like all the times. I almost quit and how its kind of glad that I stuck with it, I guess and so just kind of speaking to that allow me if you will to take you on a very brief journey of all the times. Austin I'm just going to refer to myself in third person now all the times all Austin almost quit Dragon Quest to I like to call this the tale of Austin in the sunken treasure. Oh my gosh. Yeah. So that was the first time like early on in Dragon Quest 2. I liked it better than the first one. I liked it the characters, you know kind of had more personality. I like that there was kind of a party and something close to a job system. It was like there was more of a structure to the Think of it as opposed to just kind of being thrown in to yeah to like hey you need to do this wander and it's oh, yeah, the first part of the game definitely has more structure than the rest of it. Once you get your whole party. It's kind of a lot like the first Dragon Quest but you know, it's got those spells abilities more of those more year all that kind of stuff and the world like you've mentioned it's a lot bigger. You got a lot more things to explore so I really like it but then At some point in my playthrough, I got to this part where I was supposed to find sunken treasure. For those of you who played this game. You know, what part I'm talking about and it was terrible for a number of reasons because I so So like I said earlier Dragon Quest 2 is basically just an open world RPG. Once you get your ship between the ship and the work the warp work pools. Oh my gosh. I'm never going to be able to say that it's basically open world. And so there's just a lot of options a lot of places you can go so I knew early on from talking to some NPCs that there was going to be treasure out here in the ocean in this certain part. And so I was like cool, you know Sounds like something I'm supposed to go get so maybe I should you know, go up there and find this sunken treasure. So I went out there and like nothing was there and I was like, okay, maybe I didn't talk to the right NPC because some you know, some of these games you have to like talk to certain people to get stuff to open up. Right? Right. And so I went out there still didn't see anything talked to like everybody in the town talk to that NPC that tells you where it's located like three or four times and still couldn't find it. So then I know Texting you about it. I get online and spent literally hours of my time trying to find out like what's going on with the treasure and it was it was yeah. It was ours that you were texting me a lot. I don't remember what I was playing at the time, but I know that I stopped playing it a lot because we were texting so much at that point like I remember folding up my DS and it was hilarious to me because you were so mad and like I remembered Trying to convince you to keep playing it because you would started the blog to play all of them throughout the year. Yeah, and and I even you even sent me you would send me links to stuff and you were like, here's something for like GameFAQs or here's something on Reddit and I'd be like, nope already read that didn't work. Nope already read that dick for help and and some of that was because a lot of the information that's on line is from earlier versions of the game. And because I was playing mobile it was harder to dig up the correct stuff for the mobile. Version and so that would at least back when I was playing it was maybe now that it's been out longer. There's some more like mobile information out there. There's also some problems because like I mentioned earlier in this episode the names in the mobile version are different like the locations and different things of different names. So I was having to learn, you know, multiple names for the same place to try to figure stuff out. So I was always like cross-referencing stuff. It was I felt like I was in college. Again, and having to like do all this like cross-referencing like MLA style all this like, you know awful like academic stuff and just to try to get you know, the sunken treasure and watch some videos the video the videos that were available online at the time, you know showed for the sunken treasure was so I'll get in my ship and go back there and it would be nothing I found out through like that. Here's on GameFAQs that they said that the location of the treasure. It changed a little bit from the original and that the animation was different and so because other people I guess we're having the same trouble I was so I was like, okay great. So the names have changed the location has changed a little bit the animation has changed and I can't find anything for the actual mobile version. So I'm like never going to get this treasure and you have to get this treasure to move on right? It's not an optional Quest like you have to finish this to to continue and beat the game. So I'm going to answer that. Hold on just a sec. I've got a little more like ranting to do and then I will answer that. I promise I'm getting but anyway, so after you know, I read all these facts I did all you watched all these videos cross-reference the names just spending way too much time on reddit reddit can be a dark place if you spend too much time here when I say it any time if you spend any time on there, it's anyway. Like it was just this whole ordeal to find the sunken treasure and I still couldn't find it. And so I sat the game down, you know, I restarted the game because I was like, maybe it's a bug, you know, maybe there's some problem with it. So still cannot find the sunken treasure and So eventually though the sunken treasure was there the animation look just as clear and it was in the exact location that the mobile video I found for it. Showed me where it was and it was a spot that I had ran over a million times, but the animation would never pop and so there's two kickers to this story. Number one is that I still have no clue what I did to make the sunken treasure up here. Like I don't know what I did. I mean I I talk to those NPCs, especially if people online tell you to talk to to make it pop talk to those over and over again countless times, you know, that didn't do it. I just you know circled the ship over the same few places like just over and over again probably hundreds of times. Nothing ever showed up. And so that's that's number one that gets me is that I have no clue what it was. I don't know if there's a bug I don't know if I was doing something wrong. I don't know if I'd overlooked something and that did I talked to the NPC's in a different order that last time and that's what did it or what but whatever the reason to this day. I still don't know what I did right to make the second treasure appear, but it And so I didn't just like Rage Quit over second treasure kicker number two, which also answers your question. Is that after like a month after I had eaten Dragon Quest 2. I found out that the sunken treasure is optional. Oh, no, I didn't know apparently you don't have to do it at all. It's completely optional. So all the hours that I spent trying to find the treasure was just like I think I think I'm on my blog I even talked about that. It was just like salt in my open Angry wounds. I was just like no, I can't believe it's optional and but apparently it is I didn't read that much into other than the fact that people online said that it was optional and so I don't know what I did to make it pop but it is optional. And so yeah, so that's my story regarding the sunken treasure part of Dragon Quest. And then after that, I started enjoying the game for a long time after that Captain join the game and then I almost quit a second time. But before we get in to that, I think it's time for that special segment. We like to call Shameless self-promotion. You did it differently. At the beginning of the episode and we thanked the the people who are patrons so far. So do want to tell everybody a little bit extra about our patreon real quick. Just very quickly. You can find it at patreon.com Dragon Quest FM. We have a Discord role for our drinks long-lost cousin we have where you can have a listeners Choice kind of tell us what you want us to hear. We'll have an obscure. Dragon Quest games episode coming up from a patron very very soon. We'll have to get through a few more of the the Obscure Dragon Quest games to actually make sure there's a good episode there. And so if you want to check anything like that out at patreon.com slash Dragon Quest FM. 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It's to be able to fit on the cartridges. That's why you're limited to certain characters for different characters names the older you get back like you might have four characters or five characters instead of like having the Dozen or more that you have now, and it was specifically because every extra character that you had in your character's name took up extra space on that cartridge that had to be replaced had to replace something else. So in order to make sure that That you had so in order to make sure that you were the most efficient at it. That was one of the easier things to do. That's why instead of like erdrich. We had Roto and Lodo because of the characters that's why different different games were like link and things like that. We're okay cool. Well, I totally learn something. I mean at played a lot of old games like that I grew up playing them are totally never realized that things had Names because it was like a cartridge. Yeah, if you go back and look a lot of them will have much shorter names like the Game Boy Advance not Game Boy Advance the Game Boy Color versions. I want to say of these only give you four, but I'm not a hundred percent on that. But yeah, they're they're absolutely for space reasons that we don't really have to deal with now, that's it. So now we just edit in one of those like the more, you know Stars falling with the music or whatever that used to play all the NBC. EC and for those of you who are like under a certain age, you play have no clue what we're talking about because that's probably a 90s thing right? I think so. Yeah, I think it was. Yeah, but anyway, but so getting back to Cave your friend Iraq the cave of indirect. It's probably my least favorite dungeon of any game. I have ever played in my entire life it is it is the dungeon equivalent of sticking my thumb in a fan what you did in the last Yeah, you edited that out there, right? No, I did not. Oh dude. Are you serious? I did not hold him. I wasn't editing out it is still there. So if you guys haven't listened to episode whatever that was episode 10 of Dragon Quest FM go back and you'll hear Austin stick his thumb in a fan because I thought it was funny. That's so embarrassing. So so let me apologize to everybody who listened to the last episode 2. I was on very strong prescription like cold medicine and I already felt bad. And you know that prescription cold medicine really mess with me actually had to stop taking it because it was giving me like night terrors and things and so active I haven't not listen to the episode and I barely remember recording it because I was so dissolved out of my mind. So just apologies to thinking about them in the fan since apparently DJ left that in there any other like are too crazy maybe crazy stuff I said But the cave of render rack the cave of render rack is the equivalent of that. It's the dungeon equivalent of being zonked out on cold medicine and sticking your phone a fan. That's what the cave of render back was to me. So it's already you've probably heard of it before it's kind of like Infamous. I guess notorious for how difficult it is. It's very late in the game. And I didn't know at the time that I was playing how like Infamous it was until I started. I kept getting lost inside of it and finally just decided to like Google how to get through the K. Yeah, because I was trying to do it a try when I play these games. I try to do it like without guides are spoilers, but then you know something happens like sunken treasure. I get lost in the cave of render ack. I'm not too proud to just like Google it and get my way out of there so I can get on the stuff and the way that I look at it is I try not to do any kind of guide or or looking up spoilers or anything like that or lower the difficulty. Until a game becomes unfun that when a game stops being fun for me and it just becomes frustrating it to the point where I want to quit I will look something up online and look at a guide because that's not the reason I play games anymore that that there's only been one time that I've done that recently and that was Marvel Ultimate Alliance where I chose to die on The Doctor Strange Hill that I was like, I'm not lowering the difficulty on this I will beat you or I will die trying and after a very long time I finally beat him. But that's the way that I feel about Dungeons like this. It's like if I stop having fun going through it at just like get stressed. It's like, okay. I'm going to look up and see what's going on because I'm obviously not going to be able to do this and maintain my sanity the first problem with the camera render act that I remember is there's kind of like the first game where has that like infinite Loop or infinite staircase, whatever you want to call it. Yeah, there's one of those and so actually there's there's more than one but I It stuck in one and I was like, oh crap not another one of these things. And so I totally, you know looked at like a I looked up a map basically to see how to not get stuck in these endless staircase has heat as I really tried to get out of there myself. It didn't work. It was just kind of like miserable. And so I looked at a fact to get me through there and I was like cool, you know, I'm not stuck in the infinite staircases anymore, but then there's Also, I guess you would call them pit false. Okay holes, were you fall to a different level? What happens is you'll be walking and there's just random pitfalls and you fall through it and then you land into the basement of the dungeon, right? And there's all these really strong skeletons that will just like run at you and just like totally just like Slaughter you but yeah, so there you fall through the basement and all these Monsters Just the skeletons they charge you and I got to be honest the first time it happened. I died like real good. Like I mean those monsters are tough in that cave. Anyway, there's tons of these skeleton monsters that will appear and I just couldn't even get back to like the starting location of the cave, you know, and so so luckily I had A quicksave at some point like before or right after one of the like endless loops. And so I'll just load it up my quicksave and did that and so then eventually I was like, I'll just avoid that spot. Well, then I fell through another Pitfall then after I fell through like three or four I was just like screw this I'm gonna look at a fact for this whole K and so I pull the death started looking at maps for the pitfalls to and sure that's probably He technically cheating but you know what? I got out of that cave and you know, I got out of the cave never looked back and just as like a brief aside right here the enemies in that cave are like really tough. I mean the difficulty curve. I think we might I can't remember we talked about this on the show or if this you and I talked about it since the difficulty curve and Dragon Quest 2 is like super insane, right? Yeah. I know you and I have I guess I read at some point that it was like a coding issue that like the they even admit that they just like they coded some stuff in wrong and didn't take into account like how the monsters would level up as the players level up. And so it made it just like stupidly hard there towards the end. Yeah, the way that they did the math would basically wasn't it multiplicative as opposed to additive so that all of a sudden things were just massively overpowered for you. Yeah. It's something like that either way. It's like I mean, you know, it's a early Dragon Quest game. So you have to kind of grind some to advance the story and get through certain areas. But then all of a sudden it just turns into this game where like you are fearful every time a random encounter happens because it's like you're you might just die like every every random encounter is almost as hard as a Boss by especially once you make especially once you make it out of that case, but, you know, even the enemies in there are Football I want to say that's where you run into like the lunatics the little they're like little ticks that can let confuse you and do all sorts of bad stuff to your party. It's just you know, I got a lot of game overs playing Dragon Quest to even by taking advantage of what looking at maps and the quicksave and stuff like, you know, finally got through it. And so between the sunken treasure and the cave over in Iraq. I had you know some pretty tough but memorable moments in Dragon Quest 2, and then of course, I know I've mentioned it here before but then once you get through all that, there's still the final dungeon to get through and you have to take on par God who is the final boss right now when you the final dungeon of this, so that's not the cave of Iraq or Roan like there's something beyond that. No, you have to eat. Yeah, you have to get through that cave to get over into like the I think it's just all maybe it's called render a guy. Anyway, it's the little there's like a little it's basically Mordor where there's like mountains surrounding it and you have to go through this cave to get in so I kept our guns land and you know, there's like you have to find items and like they call them sigils in the game things like this to like there. Anyway, it's a huge part of the game. Game is basically unlocking this path. So you can get into this area. Now. I'm really curious about this because I haven't gotten to that part in Dragon Quest 2 yet, but I feel like and here are some minor spoilers. So for the next couple of minutes y'all if you haven't played Dragon Quest Builders to I'm going to have little minor spoilers because this game ties in very closely with Builders to so just just hit the forward 45 seconds a couple of times but Do the point right now in Builders to where I found render Iraq, and it is like you described in Dragon Quest 2 surrounded by mountains and all of this but it's beautiful and dreamlike and kind of looks like a fairy Wonderland just just green and beautiful flowers everywhere colorful. And I know that there's a dungeon after I finish this part of the game and I'm really curious how much of it is going. Going to be like the final dungeon into because you've mentioned that there's another part in Builders to that looks almost identical to what the the final dungeon was. And so it looks like a ruined version of it like so I'm really curious on how all of this is going to tie together because I haven't beaten Builders to yet. I'm getting close to it. So but I know there's so tied together that I'm like how closely is render act. I've already been through. Cave over and Iraq and which by the way that's where liquid metal slimes are if you're ever looking and they they spawn there because I found one and I didn't find one when I was going through that area. And so I was very happy to find it and also Pro tip for for metal slimes in General on here. The poison needle that I love so much that I've mentioned a couple of times in the last couple episodes. It never does zero damage. To the metal slimes it always does damage to them. So it is so much easier to kill them just swapping to it. It doesn't one hit kill them or anything like any more than anything else but it actually always does damage. So you'll do one one one one one one one and they die as opposed to 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 run 0 0 1 0 0 run that is that is the best way to kill metal signs that I've found in Builders to so while before we continue with Dragon Quest 2. at heart I'm a few Builders to spoilers The so I'm and the same at like I got to R indirect as well your little bit ahead of me in the story right now is building Rusty, but in in Dragon Quest to the the environments are switched, so it's like it's really nice and pretty outside and green and Dragon Quest 2, and then it's all snowy and like Ashen and Okay and like they're in I guess in In the once you make it through and Dragon Quest 2, so it's kind of like those environments have swapped. Okay, there's two I'm not sure if there's a reason for that because of all the NPC's talking about Illusions and stuff. But but yeah, so that's kind of just something for you to take home. Whatever right for so long Harry. I'm very curious on how all of this is going to play out into because I know what's going on in or in Builders to so I'm really curious how it's going to play out in because I What's going on an actual Dragon Quest to so it's really interesting. I love how they're tying everything together there. So yeah, so anyway, so there's actually there's that whole little area once you make it through the cave and thankfully there's like a church and everything so that you can save and kind of and grind for a little while because the monsters in that area are really tough, but they also give a lot of experience. So that's a nice thing that has a church really close by like that. I'm pretty sure you cannot like Zoom or anything like that to it. I think once you if you leave that area, it's like you have to go back through the cave of and you're like no no. Yeah. Yeah, like not dumb get so and then there's the last the last area you get a lot more guns castle and everything and then that's a dungeon that that you have to work your way through to get to Har gone, right? Okay. Yeah, it's very similar to the first Dragon Quest game it's a little different. It's not the same place. You can actually visit the dragonlords castle in Dragon Quest 2. Like I don't think it's required at all. But you can totally go back to Carlock Castle Charlotte Castle Carlisle Castle you go there and then the dragon lord or maybe I think it's supposed to be like a descendent of the Dragon Lord from the first Dragon Quest game. No, he's just sitting in there like you go and you talk to him and it's not even a fight or anything and he's just like You know, you need to go take care of that sorcerer hard gone. He's getting uppity and I'm the real dragon lord and you need to go take care of him and put him back in his place fair enough. Oh, that's so so you can totally go back to you know that whole area but the final dungeon is kind of similar in to the first one and you go and you know, you're all prepared for this final boss with hard on and then You know, I thought it was pretty prepared. I mean I grinded up a lot of levels and in the mobile version the levels are a lot higher than they were in the original like I think you can get up to 50 with all the characters think so. Yeah, I think they'd change that in the original you can like the princess. I think only goes up to like 35 think that's what it is in the original. Yeah, and your that your hero can still get up to 50. But in this one they can all get up really high and I was in the upper. 30s lower 40s the first time I attempted this and so you beat hard on he dies and you're like yay, I beat the game, right? Yeah in my head while the beat hog on like it took you more than once. I know. Yeah, and so I just wanted you to say right by the way, I was fishing for a right so that I can say wrong you're wrong because they're about rocks shows up. That's what I was going for. You just um play into my hand. But anyway wrong now Rock shows up and man. Oh man. I know I've talked about this a lot. But Mal raw is like the final boss to end all Final Bosses. Like I think this is the I play a lot of video games. I've played and most of those are RPGs. Most of those are jrpgs, right? And so I've had my like share of like Final Bosses and things But there's something about Mal raw that he is incredibly powerful he gets to go, you know, multiple has multiple turns every time and the honestly I think it comes down to like orangey because so I think I've said this is another episode. He beat me 14 times. It took me 14 tries to be which is an absurd amount of time. I mean, I quicksave like before right before Hog on. And so as you know, like I said take advantage of that quick safe. So I had it right before so don't have to fight my way back through the dungeon. So I had all that I ended up leaving the dungeon anyway and grinding up until all of my characters were I think they were in the upper 40s. Okay, they weren't they weren't maxed out. I don't think but they were they were a lot higher than my first attempt because I was like, yeah, I'm just gonna have to go and like grind this up. So I finally I grind it up for a little while then I All the way back to hard God fight him again had a quicksave there again to fight him again and then get ready to take on my Roth and I'm like, okay, I've leveled everybody up another like five or six levels. This has to be good enough and he still he would get like I would get really far to where I was like, oh, yeah. I got this in the bag and then he would use like back to backfire breaths. And just my whole party would just be like dead like instantly and so I I did it took me 14 tries, which is a personal record. Like I don't consider myself bad at video games about like this seriously was one of those things where I'm like do I just suck or is this like really hard and I think the answer is probably a little bit of both like that with it being random like that with him taking multiple turns and you not knowing which a Acts are coming. And you even when you heal, I know you were telling me that you were healing up between major attacks to like, oh, I just so looking here at my notes. I said, I went up eight levels. That's how much I'm more I love although so finally after getting up eight levels from my like first attempt of going in there. I was able to beat him eventually. But yeah, I mean it was just I think a lot of it was just bad luck on my part. I think a lot of it was based. Based on orangey because sometimes it'd be like I would of because I attempted to fight him so many times I kind of like saw this a lot. And so sometimes it'd be like round 2 and then he uses fire breath like twice in a row and then you know, I'm dead and then sometimes it'd be like, I'd fight him for like a really long time and I'd be like I'm gonna beat it and then he would use fire breath twice in a row for it was like there wasn't really a Rhyme or Reason or like pushing him through phases or anything like you see in bosses. Yeah. It was just Kind of like, you know, he would use these attacks and I would die and so I wanted so, you know, I know I've talked about other times. I wanted to give up. This was one of those times that I was just like, you know, I made it to the very end here and I really not going to be able to beat this because I said I was going to play in beat every Mainline Dragon Quest game in a year. And so I was kind of like wondering how I was going to have like an asterisk there by my name how to like kind of like a base. Ball player using steroids and hitting all those home like like I was afraid I was gonna be that I was going to be one of those like steroid baseball players and I was gonna I was going to Barry Bonds Dragon Quest 2, and and so I was but I was really like afraid of that. And so I ended up that ended up not happening and much like I'm sure I died a bunch because of luck. I think I'd beat me. Off because of luck because I think I'm convinced that that final fact Mal Rock just has a lot to do with luck and it's right after the battle of Argonne. So there's not like a there's not like you can leave and like, you know, he'll up or whatever then come back and that's what I was gonna ask. Like I'm do you have to beat hog on every time that you go into my Roth? Or is there a gap between there where you like you can save the game and not have to beat hog on every single time you did it for 14 times. No, I think. Let me think. I'm thinking. And again, it's been a long time since I've played this. I want to see what happens is you beat hard on and there's a cutscene and you don't really get to do anything yet. And he is like, oh I give my body up to Mal Roth Lord Of Destruction and then hard on disappears and Mal Rock shows up and it's black surprise. I'm going to kill you outside. But it may be I don't think this is dragged us to but maybe it is in one of the games. It's like you beat the first boss and then you start to walk away. And then as you're trying to exit like fire shows up all around to block your exit. Yeah, and then you go fight the other boss. So it's like you have a moment to heal. Okay and safe, but I don't think it's Dragon Quest 2, and maybe that one is too but it's been it's just been so long since I played this game, you know. Where he was like a very long time ago to me. I mean, this is like what August pretty much? Yeah, so I want to say there that it's the one that's just kind of a cutscene and doesn't give you a break but it could be the fire thing that I'm talking about. I really don't remember it's one of those too. But you know, I have been chilly beat Mal raw and I've come to love him a little bit. I mean our respective at least I have from our off the toy hanging up right above my A desk right here. I mean I'm looking at him right now and he doesn't look so bad. He's just like chilling out. That's what I was going to say. It's like I know you bought a toy from our off like it was one of those things where he beat you so much that you just started to love him that you spent so much time with him that it was a professional respect between you. Yeah. I mean, he's become the most memorable play boss fight of any game I've ever played. Because the end part of that is because you know, I mean you can't really hope to like destroy a guy 14 times and then get beaten time and time again, and it not be memorable. Yeah. And so yeah, you know, I haven't standing up there. I love him in human form and Dragon Quest Builders to I do too. I love him so much and so I guess just generally I know this episode's kind of go a long but you know, we did have a it's a big game so I know you had a lot to talk about today. And I guess just kind of my last thoughts last opinions here is that you know Dragon Quest 2. I think it's a fun but flawed game it is pretty it is pretty grind heavy. And you know, Mal raw is a pretty big final boss to take on but if you know, and if you've played other early Dragon Quest games and you haven't played this one then I Really think you should play it. If you've never played any of the earlier Dragon Quest games, I went and start with to I mean just not only because I mean like chronologically and story-wise. I don't think it makes sense. Like I definitely think you should play them as 1 2 and then 3 for sure I think you get more out of them that way but if you played one you've played 3 or 1 or 3 and you kind of know what to expect from those earlier Dragon Quest games, you know, I mean I recommend to its Not my least favorite Dragon Quest game. I like it better than quite a few of the other ones in the series but it is a tough game and I think that's probably why people disliked it so much is because it is absurdly difficult at times and it's not as it's not as simple as the first Dragon Quest the drag. The first Dragon Quest game is difficult, but it's simple because you know one character. There's not a whole lot to explore. And you know, then you have Dragon Quest three of course, which is just like amazing. And so I think Dragon quests to kind of gets lost in the mix between those two when you just looking at the Urgent trilogy there at yeah, of course yes to kind of kind of gets lost in that mix because you have like the game that basically, you know inspired every jrpg that came after it with the first Dragon Quest game and then you have Dragon Quest three, which is one of Greatest jrpgs of all time and then you have little Dragon Quest to in the middle that people kind of dumped on and don't like you are one of the few people. I know who really likes this game Who wind when I when when it's brought up you defend it as being a good game and I see a lot of other people just being like Oh to oh, I don't know man. Maybe maybe just skip that one entirely. Yeah and it and I think it's because I had so much trouble with it that feel like I've earned it and I feel like I know this sounds stupid because it's a game but I feel like we came to respect one another and I know I know it can't respect me at all. But in my head at least I feel like I respect it respects itself. Like we're all good. I kind of look at it almost like a look at Dragon Quest to the sounds cheesy. I know but look at Dragon Quest to kind of like I look at my younger brother. It's like we fought a lot when we were kids, you know like me and my brother Michael we fought a lot. He was my little brother and I fought a lot with Dragon Quest To Find I was playing it but then like now that I'm away from it like I love it and like I look back at my memories with it. Fondly, you know, even like the bad stuff like the fighting and stuff. I look back on it kind of finally like I do my memories of my brother and childhood and it's like if you talk bad about it. It's like it's my brother. So I'm going to defend it. You know what I'm saying? Does that make sense? I think so. Yeah. I don't have a brother so I can't say that but it's like I understand it. Yeah. It's like growing up like so this is kind of off subject a little bit. But I remember my brother and I like I mean, yeah, it was just us. It's just me and my brother growing up we were pretty rambunctious and we would I mean there'd be times when we're just fat like flat-out brawling with each other, you know, just like punching everything and I remember, you know, we would fight a lot of times and I remember one of my distant cousins came over when time and was he was bigger than both of us. He was trying to bully us and You know, we joined forces and and just like totally I really got in huge trouble because we gained up on it and like really beat him up. And and I remember his parents were like super just angry at my parents and it was this whole like ordeal. But anyway, that's kind of how I feel about Dragon Quest 2. It's like people dump on it, but then it's like but at the end of the day you have its back. Yeah, so that's kind of how I feel about Dragon Quest to I hope that analogy kind of translates. But that's kind of how I feel about Dragon Quest 2. I think that's a good place to stop on that that you consider dragging that you consider Dragon Quest to your brother my little brother. Yeah, that's right. All right. Well, thanks everybody for listening to the podcast today. Remember you can talk to us on Twitter at Dragon Quest FM. You can leave us voice messages and sign up to our newsletter. On our website, which is Dragon Quest dot f m you can talk to me personally on Twitter. My Twitter handle is at underscore Austin underscore King. You can also check out my weekly Dragon Quest blog. You can find that at Dragon Quest austin.com and you can find me on Twitter as at Professor beej that's bej. You can listen to me on my other podcast the geek to geek podcast at geek geek cast.com and That you can check out the entire media Network, where a part of at geek to geek media.com where you can see all of the other podcast live streams and blogs that we have for you. You can also find links to our slack and Discord there where you can join us and talk about Dragon Quest all day long then again, wow. Bye everybody.

This week, we’re talking about Dragon Quest 2! We had a listener poll, and this is the topic you chose. A HUGE thanks to everyone who voted. We’re going to be holding another poll soon, so make sure you keep an eye out for that. We’re going to be discussing the game in-depth (plus the game is, like, 30 years old), so there will be some SPOILERS ahead. For those of you who haven’t played the game, Austin gives a brief synopsis at the beginning of the episode. He played the mobile version, and B.J. has played bits of both the GameBoy Color and mobile versions. After that, we run through the main characters and discuss the perks (and pitfalls) of having three people in your party. From the weird AI in the mobile version to the many deaths of the Prince of Cannock, we have a long discussion about all the great--and not so great--things DQ2 has to offer! Then, it’s time to talk about all the times Austin almost quit playing the game--but how he’s glad he beat it. Sunken Treasure, the Cave of Rendarak, and the final battle with Malroth--we talk about it all! Then, listen to why Austin feels respect for the game now, and also thinks of the game as his...little brother?!? That doesn’t sound right. How can a video game be like a little brother? You’ll have to listen to find out!

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So you never miss an episode of the real real podcast. Hi everyone. Welcome back to the real real podcast with me. Natalie barbu and today's episode is a really exciting episode. I feel like I say that literally before every single episode I say that this is an exciting episode, but I really do mean it. This is one of the First episodes that I ever filmed. I think I filmed this back in March or even February might have been kind of when I started thinking that I wanted to do a podcast. This was one of the first ones and it is about how influencers and more specifically how YouTubers make money and I want it to Really dive into specific so many people always ask like, oh, do you make enough money to support yourself on YouTube? How do you make money? Some people don't even know that you can make money on YouTube. Like there's just so much misconception that goes around about YouTubers and making money and really unless you're doing it or you're really close friends with someone or family your family member does YouTube you really have no idea how much people make or how you even make money because there are so so many different streams of Revenue, which is something that I really like. I like that there's a lot of streams of Revenue because if you're not doing as great in one area, you do have another kind of set of income coming from somewhere else at least but I definitely think it's really interesting. And since this is a question I get asked a lot. I thought it'd be nice to address it on a podcast and there is so much information that I go over like this. I feel like I talk so fast in this episode and I just spill so so so so so much info if you guys are wanting to become Influencer or you guys already are one or just kind of starting YouTube and you want to know how you can start getting paid then bring a pen and paper down to this episode because there is so much stuff that I cover and I really do get down into all the details because I've look stuff up before how YouTubers make money just to gauge how other people are what other people are doing compared to myself or when I first started out. I wanted to kind of see how to make money on this thing and a lot of websites are very very vague and they don't really explain. I don't know like as in depth, I think is this podcast episode goes so I really hope that you guys like it and before I get started in this I also wanted to say a disclaimer that this isn't like bragging about making money on here or anything like that. I'm just kind of talking about it as any other career would this is another job and I feel like we should talk about money and it shouldn't be as taboo, I guess so that's why I'm doing it. I'm not doing it to be like, oh, yeah like YouTubers make Money, like that's definitely not what I'm trying to do at all before we get started. I also wanted to just say thank you guys for all of the kind comments and kind reviews that you guys leave me. I am so blown away literally every single week at your feedback on the podcast just because you guys are so nice and I don't know if podcasting is super new to me. I just started and I feel like I've been on YouTube forever. So kind of hopping into something new is really really exciting and just seeing your positive feedback has made me me want like so happy that I started this and just like reaffirms me every single day. I wanted to read a review of the week, which I always do and if you guys have not already and you guys like this podcast then please go to iTunes and just give it five stars and leave a review and DM it to me so I can personally thank you because it just means so much to me and that's the only way that I can kind of see your comments on this podcast because unlike YouTube or Instagram, you can't comment directly below an episode so Really my only way of seeing what you guys think about podcast. So this week's review of the week is from Mick girl. That's the user name on there and she actually DM me this so thank you so much for dming it so I can personally thank you, but I also want to share it on here. It says lately the podcasts and YouTube space has become saturated with lifestyle videos of girls who only seem to want to post for the free PR and to gain the influencer status. Natalie is a breath of fresh air breaking that stereotype of being real her followers on all her platforms. If you're looking for a podcast that focuses on topics that millennial generation actually cares about with all the fake without all the fakeness. Look no further. Thank you Natalie for being an icon for me and others to look up to so thank you so much for that. Super super nice comment. I really always hope that I am a very real with you guys and not just promoting things that I don't believe in or just wanting this for like the free product or wanting this for the money like I'm talking about in this episode. So I just want to thank you guys for kind of leaving that really really nice comment and always leave in comments like that and if Ever do go astray from that. Like if I ever start becoming someone I'm not I know you guys are the first people that will tell me so I just want to thank you guys for also keeping it real with me. Like I try to do every single day either on my YouTube Instagram or on the podcast and without further Ado. I'm just going to get into the episode because I feel like this one is one that a lot of people are going to look forward to and it's just really interesting especially if you're not in the influencer world. I think it's going to be an extremely interesting like Insightful episodes. So keep on listening. Welcome to the real real podcast with Natalie. Barbu Instagram might be your highlight reel, but we're here to talk about the real real today. I am going to be talking about a job that I am very familiar with I have been doing YouTube now for seven years and it definitely has changed a lot from when I first started to where it is now when I first started, I don't even think that AdSense was a thing. I don't know if Google had on YouTube And you could definitely not make money off of it or at least not the money that you could be making now the term influencer or YouTuber were not yet a thing. I've looked up countless of articles on how YouTubers make money how influencers make money because I'm so curious on what other people have to say about it especially being inside of it. I can kind of tell if the articles are true or not. So I just always I'm looking stuff up like that and let me tell you that the numbers are way off influencers are getting I paid way more than what a lot of these articles are saying, I feel like I have some knowledge in the area of YouTube and how to make money. I'm making a livable wage off of it, which is absolutely insane never would I have thought that at 22 I could be doing what 15 year old me started. I am so blessed and I am so thankful that I can consider this an actual job and a career for me and because of that I want to be transparent. I want to tell you how much you make or how much you can make and how to make it. I just feel like this episode. I have so much light to shed, I guess and just questions to be answered because this is something I feel like people keep very private and no one wants to talk about it. No one wants to talk about how much money they make or how they make money because money is a very taboo subject. I feel like and unless you're talking about like business 101 or Fortune 500 companies are really big company's people don't really talk about money. So I wanted to come on here and kind of just address how Lancers make money. I feel like this is something that people just don't talk about so I'm really excited to answer your questions about it and like every episode I'm going to be starting this off with setting the record straight. I have a list of things that a lot of people think about influencers. So I am here to tell you guys if it's a myth or if it's true. So the first one is that it is really easy to be a full-time influencer. And this one is I have conflicting feelings about this I think. Sometimes it's true and sometimes it's false. I think it's really really hard to like actually had be an influencer as a job I guess. So, I think it's really hard to make enough money to support yourself doing it. It's hard to get there and it takes a lot of years of work. So I definitely think that that part is extremely extremely difficult. And once you get to a point where you can make a living off of it, I think it's kind of a disservice to everyone that works like a corporate job or Works enough. More traditional job to say that it's hard. Not that we don't have like hard moments or anything. But as a whole it is easier. I feel like than people that work a nine to five just because normally the money that you're bringing home is not equivalent to like the number of hours that you're working I guess. So if you're measuring it by hours, it's a lot easier to make a certain amount than versus like a traditional job or salary job where you're working a lot more hours. And for Less pay most of the time that's where I say. He hard and easy, so it's hard to get there and you have to put in a ton a ton a ton of hours and a ton of hard work to even make a dime. But once you kind of get to a point where you can make a lot of money, then it's not as difficult. I feel like and that might be an unpopular opinion. But that is just my personal opinion another myth or another thing that people assume is you are dumb or shallow, and this is definitely not true. I think of course in every industry. There are going to be shallow people. I'll like you can be shallow and be working in finance, you know, so I do think it's just about the person and sometimes numbers do get to people's head. So there are definitely definitely shallow people in the industry. There are going to be fake people but as a whole I think that's really really not a good thing to generalize because so many of my best friends have come from meeting them online through Instagram or YouTube and I would not consider them shallow or fake or dumb at all and also being An influencer which I don't really like that word but making finding a way to make money through your personal brand is a better way to describe it that I think you have to be a little bit business savvy to do that. So I don't think you can just stereotype that they're all dumb. Like I definitely don't think so and for being shallow, of course, there are some shallow people, but I hate when people assume that because I've gotten that a lot like a lot of people will say like, oh before I met you I thought that you were really stuck up and like, oh, thanks, so I definitely I do not think that that's true. You get paid based on subscribers. This is actually false and we will dive into that in this podcast you make money fast. And this is also false. We will dive into that in this podcast. So keep on listening and you need to be a really big YouTuber to start making money and this is also a myth. So this is a myth because you do not need to be that big you can start making money when you have smaller numbers, and I know a lot of people don't know how how like if you needed me. A certain threshold to make money on YouTube or being an influencer. Someone had actually asked me if you needed to make them if you needed to have a million subscribers to make money on YouTube and I was just like no not even close. So there definitely is a lot of things that just people don't know about this industry and I cannot wait to share them with you guys. So the number one question that I feel like I should address is when did I first start making money on YouTube and I'm personally talking about YouTube because that is my platform. I did not start making money on YouTube. For years. I started my YouTube channel in 2011, I believe so it was a very very very long time ago and I started it just for fun because I was bored. I don't think you could even make money at this time. I honestly think that I don't even know if google-owned YouTube at this time, so I don't think there was AdSense yet. I don't think there was a YouTube Partner program YouTube was very very very new for me. I definitely did not even think about money even if there was a way to make money. I don't even think I thought about it. But the first time I started getting paid, I guess I first began by getting free stuff to post on Instagram or YouTube. So companies would reach out to me. And normally it was smaller companies and they would ask me if they sent me product if I could post about it or do a review and in the beginning it was like can you do a dedicated review if we give you the shampoo bottle and honestly, I think I did it like I just was so excited to get free stuff because it was the first time I really was like wow, this is crazy. Like I am getting stuff for free that I wouldn't wait. Pay for and I have to do is make a video about it. Like that's insane. So in the beginning, I was just excited to be getting free stuff and I remember on Instagram. Actually. I had gotten a DM from Windsor and it's a sore that I still love and I still shop at today and I remember getting a DM and they said that they would send me stuff if I would just like post a few photos for them and I was so beyond excited because I actually really really like the store and I shopped there and it was the first time like a bigger company had reached out to me to promote their I was just over the moon. So I was like yes. Yes. Yes 100% I will do it and that was kind of like the first time I realized wow like bigger companies work with influencers and work with people on Instagram and YouTube and then after that about once I start getting free product. I kind of started looking more into okay. Can I make money off of this? Like how much money can I be making because I would see people doing sponsored post and I knew that when they Stitch clothes that it was sponsored that they were getting paid. So I started looking into it and I found sites. Like famebit and Grapevine, these sites are actually still around. So anything that I mentioned in today's podcast, I'm going to leave in the show notes so that you guys can check them out. But basically these were platforms that linked influencers to Brands and you can pitch yourself to campaigns and campaigns can find you and they can offer you a rate to do a sponsored post or Instagram or whatever it is. So basically you uploaded your credentials on there or you linked your accounts and they could see your demographic. They could see a your views all of that stuff and they would you can pay South and your rate and see if Brands wanted to work with you so there when I was pitching myself to Brands, I think I had like 15,000 subscribers, which wasn't that much this was already when I said started college. So I've been doing YouTube for about 3 years now, but very on and off like not consistent at all, maybe like five videos a year like it was very very inconsistent. So I had about 15,000 subscribers and I remember pitching myself for like $50 to do a video and or like to do a dedicated poster like $100 do do a dedicated video. So that is like my first time I guess making money off of it and just learning about what it was. That was my first initial way of making money. And then I remember Brands started emailing me and I had never reached out to Brands before this point besides on those influencer websites. I did not reach out to brands at all. So I remember a brand a PR firm actually a PR firm email to me and it was about a movie and they wanted me to do a video a creative video to promote this movie and I remember being so So excited because this was a big huge film had like James Franco in it was huge and I remember thinking like, oh my gosh a big PR firm is reaching out to me. They wanted to schedule a call like he was like very very legit. So in my head I had already started getting paid a couple hundred dollars to do videos. So I was getting made like 300 bucks to do a video or nothing significant, but way more than I guess like $50, so I knew that this company was bigger. It was like a Warner Brothers film and I remember going on the phone with them and High-pitched myself like a higher offer and the second that they heard my offer. They're like, okay. Yeah, we can do that like right away. And in that moment, I realized I was like I should have pitched myself or higher because at this point I did not know about negotiation. I didn't know you could negotiate your rates. I pitch myself at a very very low rate for this large company, I guess and they were just they jumped on it and then a few months later actually when I had a manager, which I will dive into that in a You minutes, but when I had a manager the same PR Company reached out again for another film to promote and I got double the rate so like my manager had negotiated and it was double the rate. So I knew that I could have gotten so much more that passed campaign. But this is a learning process. No one there's no guidelines or there's no like book right now that tells you exactly how much to charge or exactly what to say or anything like that especially back then this was around probably like In which people are definitely making money and stuff but I never realized the magnitude of how much money people could make and I didn't know the value of my channel truthfully. I really did not know the value of my channel. And before I had a manager I also use this platform called social Bluebook which again I will have in the show notes, but social Bluebook is website actually that you link your social media account. So you can link your Twitter your Instagram your YouTube channel anything like that. You link your accounts and based on your Graphics and your engagement and your amount of views and subscribers. It actually tells you exactly how much you should be charging on the low end the like average amount and then on a high end, so I was kind of basing my high-end rates in my like average rates on that to charge. So if you guys do not have a manager or you guys are negotiating all of your own deals, that is a really really great resource on how to find out how much you are worth. That's kind of my journey on how I started making money on YouTube and how I learned how much money to be making and now I To talk about literally detail by detail like pick apart how YouTubers make money and I'm going to shed light on this and I hope that you guys have a pen and paper because I am going to be talking about a lot. So the most common way that people make money or that YouTubers make money. I should say the most common way YouTubers make money is through AdSense and a lot of you guys have probably heard of AdSense by now. So Google owns YouTube and AdSense is a Google product or it's a Google hosts hosted thing. I don't I wow I sound Intelligent it's owned by Google AdSense and basically all of those ads that you see on YouTube videos the ones that you can skip the ones that you can't skip the little Banners at the bottom of videos, like all of those ads that is how YouTubers get paid through AdSense. So if you click on it, if you watch it for more than a certain amount of seconds the YouTuber will get paid based on off of that in order to get paid through AdSense. You have to be a YouTube partner, so So you have to have 1,000 subscribers on YouTube and you also have to have 4000 watch hours in the past 12 months. So within a year you need to have had at least 4,000 watch hours. Now the partner program it is a little different when I first joined the partner program. I'm pretty sure it was it was a lot simpler than that, but they've kind of made stricter guideline so they want to make sure that you're consistent and that you have a consistent audience which I honestly think makes sense. And then when you're getting your paycheck once a month from YouTube and it's once you reach a 100 Threshold you'll get paid. So even if at the end of the month if your thresholds only $20, you're not going to get a $20 check that month. You'll get the check. Once you reach a hundred dollars in ads. That's how the main form of how YouTubers get paid and it honestly took me so long to get $100. I think it took me I'm like a year, maybe it took me so so long to get the 100 dollar threshold, but patience guys, it will happen. Another misconception is that it's MIT based on subscribers, which is not true. True that is a myth you guys it is based on the amount of views that you get because the more people that view your video means the more people that viewed that ad and its cost per mail, which is cost per thousand. So you get paid off of cost per thousand of views. So everyone's CPM which is cost per mil is different. So you might have a $2 CPM or you might have a $10 CPM CPM ranges so much. So that is why people might get paid different rates even You have the same amount of views just because they're CPM is at a different rate. So even if you don't have a ton of subscribers, you can still get paid. If you have a video that goes viral you're going to get paid a lot versus someone who has a lot of subscribers, but they get no views on their Channel. That's why I it is better to be consistent because if you have a lot of subscribers and you kind of go away for a while your views are going to be a lot shorter or a lot less. I guess when you come back and then you're not your AdSense is not going to get be as high. So it is based on views not subscribers. I just wanted to clarify that because I get that question all the time another reason why that consistency is key is because YouTube algorithm is based on watch time. If you have a video that lets say is 20 minutes long and you your average watch time in that is five minutes. It's going to promote that video versus a video that's 10 minutes long, but your average watch time is only three minutes. So the more watch time that you get the More YouTube likes your video or the more the algorithm likes your video and it promotes it more. So increasing your watch time is really really really important in order to get more promotion and therefore get more views. Also another thing that you might not realize behind the scenes is that YouTubers can place ads in their videos. So I feel like most people including myself. I did not know this most people think that YouTube places Those ads and that's it. It's just random. But actually your creators actually make place the ads. So if your video is over 10 minutes long, you can put up to I believe four ads in a video which is insane. So for a 10 minute long video, you might not want to place for ads because that could get very annoying for the person watching it and then they'll just click off of your video. But if your video is like a 60-minute video like Shane Dawson style definitely take advantage of all of those ads because you will definitely be getting paid a lot more. That's why you might see next time realize it that You see a video that's like 10 minutes and one second. They probably just stretched it out just so that they could get that extra add in there. So what I like to do normally is I placed an ad in the very beginning of my video and then I might Place one or two in the middle of my video and then one at the end of my video after you're done watching it. That's normally how I like to do it. I like to put the first one maybe four minutes in and then the second one like right before it's about to end and then one at the very very end. So after you watch the video if you just happen to have The video playing still then the ad Will Will Roll. So yeah, YouTubers can actually place it. And if your video is under 10 minutes, then you only get one add so you place it in the beginning of your video which makes sense because under 10 minutes, you're not going to want to place multiple ads at all. But that is why a lot of creators tried to make their videos 10 minutes or longer. You might have been seeing that lately and that is actually why and about how much money people make on AdSense. So YouTube I Believe keeps 55% of AdSense. So really you can Hitters are only getting 45 percent of what they should be making on ads, but that makes sense. You two bones the platform. But yeah, so YouTube actually takes up 55% of that money. And for how much you get a month. It really really ranges someone with blood the amount of views that I get. It could range from like a couple hundred to like $5,000 a month. It depends on if you have a lot of videos out. It depends on how many views those videos make that's also why Assistance is really important because the more videos you put out the more views you're going to get in total which equals more ads. So people that are daily vlogging and get hundreds of thousands of views are making a lot a lot a lot of money on YouTube ads. Like I'm talking about probably over ten thousand dollars a month just in ads people that have hundreds of thousands of views or millions of views on their daily Vlogs. Like they are making a lot of money a month you guys just so you know in retrospect on how much money you could Taking on AdSense. So now that we talked about AdSense. I want to talk about sponsorships, which is another huge way of making money on YouTube sponsorships. You could have an Instagram you could do on YouTube you could basically do on any social media platform. I could do sponsorships on this podcast anything like that. So sponsorships are brand deals. You might hear them being referred to as brand deals. And that's typically where the big money is. And I know I just talked about AdSense getting paid upwards of $10,000 a month but sponsorships. It's just a lot of money at once for like one thing so absences per month sponsorships is per post that you do for a brand. I personally did not do that many sponsored post before having a manager and I will be talking about a manager and how to like what exactly a manager is but I did for smaller Brands, but it wasn't for a lot of money because I didn't really know how to negotiate. So when you have a manager typically you will get paid more in sponsorships because they are the masters of negotiating and also I think Brands think of you as more If you have a manager that could be a misconception, but I feel like it's true sponsorships require contracts. They require previews, they require modifications and edits if the brand wants so there's a lot that goes into sponsorships but basically brands have marketing budgets and I feel like most brands nowadays, especially if they are smart I have about it in my opinion. They put their marketing Budget on influencers. So instead of paying a ton of money on a commercial for example you You could spend that money on a bunch of influencers promoting your post in my sponsorships how it normally happens is my manager will email me a deal she'll say here is the company that wants to work with you. This is the product. This is the brief a brief has all the Talking Points. It describes exactly what product you're promoting. It has everything they kind of want you to say not scripted but just bullet points on please touch on some of these like if you're doing a shaving cream for example, please touch Unlike the ingredients that is in the shaving cream stuff like that. So it's not a script but it is things that you need to mention and then it has the rate. So that is how I get a sponsorship. My manager will come to me. She'll email me she'll send me all those details and I have 100% power to say yes or no. I have never done a brand deal that I don't believe in or anything like that. And so I have said no to a lot of brand deals as well because I don't like the product. I don't think it fits with my channel stuff like that. So I really really Lucky that I'm at a point where I can be really picky about brand deals. And I'm also really lucky that I am at a point where I'm working with companies that I have been loving for years. Like I have worked with companies like Nordstrom. I've worked with Lululemon. I've worked with Revlon. I mean, I've just worked with companies now that I have been using for years and years and years and it's like a dream come true getting to work with these brands. That is how sponsorships work. It's when a brand comes to you. They tell you what you kind of need to promote and what you should be saying and then you make a post Them and there's count there's deadlines. So I will have a preview Day by next Monday. I'll pitch to them the concept that I want to do. So, for example, if I want to do a skin care routine, I'll say yeah, here's my idea that I want to do skin care routine. Here's how I think that the product can be integrated into it. They'll come back. They'll say yes, they'll say know whatever it is. Sometimes depending on the brand deal. They'll be a call with the brand other times. Everything is just through email and then you'll put a review date. So, okay. I will have the video. 2q by March 1st, for example, so then you'll email it to them. They'll come back. They'll give you modifications. Hey, we don't like this clip. Can you take it out? Can you add a voiceover saying this and then you submit it to them? They'll spot send for final approval and you'll tell them when it will be live that is the process of a sponsorship and normally those are more because they I mean sponsorships you guys you can be paid upwards of tens of thousands of dollars just for an Instagram post and Some of your favorite creators could have landed like 50,000 Dollar Deals. I'm not saying I have and I am not saying that anyone I know has because I have no idea what other people get paid but just based on what I know on myself. I can easily see how many creators get a lot a lot of money normally sponsorships are thousands of dollars. That is why you get paid more than AdSense because AdSense might be a couple thousand a month, but you might be doing like three sponsorships a month. So you're getting paid more and sponsorships. I feel like get a very very bad rep because they're like, oh you do only sponsored content, but truthfully if you had the opportunity to work with a brand that you have been using for years and years and years. It is hard to say. No, especially when you really believe in it like I would be promoting this brand regardless if I was getting paid, I have promoted this brand regardless if I was getting paid and now I have the chance to get paid and promote them. So why wouldn't I that is the way that I See brand deals. I will not do any brand deals if I do not believe in the product and if I don't actually use the product, so that is also something if you are becoming a YouTuber or you are a YouTuber and you're listening to this be very careful with these sponsorships that you do because even if the money is there and you're excited and you need to pay rent and stuff your viewers will see right through you and that is the toughest part about sponsorships is people get very excited and people just want to do all the sponsorships. Cuz it's easy money. But if you don't really love the product or the brand your viewers will see and that will hurt you so much in the long run and I would so rather have be authentic and have an audience that knows when I recommend something that it's legit, then not then feel like a fraud basically. So that is one thing I say for people that are trying to make money on sponsorships. You are allowed to say no and honestly I encourage you to say no because if you're picky, then you will get a companies that you want to sponsor you. You will realize that. Oh, you actually believe in this like your authentically using it another way to make money as a YouTuber is by affiliate links and affiliate links is something that I am very new to and I use magic links. I know there are a lot of affiliate link companies out there. There's rewards style. I think there's shopstyle. I think those are the most common ones but I personally love magic links and what magic links is is basically the same thing as reward style. I think magic link specifically targets YouTubers. I'm pretty sure and basically what it is is that if I have for example the top that I'm wearing I film a lot of work week in my life sore work outfit week about fit work week of outfits. I film a lot of those on my YouTube channel and look books and halls and stuff like that. So whenever I do whenever I film one of those videos, I always say that I'm going to have the product link down below or for a makeup tutorial. For example, I always link to the product down below. So it's very easy for my subscribers and my viewers to shop what I am talking about because Watch videos and I see like eyeliner for example, and I'm like, oh, I really want to try that eyeliner really frustrates me when people don't link stuff. So I try to make sure that I link everything down below for you guys or for my viewers and instead of just linking it and that's it. Your users can shop it instead of that. Why would you not want to make a commission off of it if you could so that is where affiliate marketing comes in affiliate Links come in so most stores out there. Do affiliate links whether it is through their own website or whether it is through a third-party website like magic links or reward style. So reward style and magic links the way they work is that if you create a link through them through magic links or toward style. It will have a custom tracking it has custom tracking so that when someone clicks on that link and they purchase something it goes directly you get a commission because it knows that it came through you so affiliate marketing is great because it's very Very organic and it's very authentic because regardless if I was like, I'm not getting paid for this. I might not get a single dime off of affiliate marketing but if you guys do like the shirt, I'm wearing or the makeup I have on you guys have the option to shop it and a percentage the commission can come back to me, which is really really nice and it's very organic because again, like I said, you're not getting paid at all to do that for Magical things. What I think is amazing about magic links is that they have cookies on their site. So if for example All I'm linked a top and you guys click on that top and it takes you to Nordstrom and you guys scroll and you look but you don't want to buy anything today, but let's say in a week. You want to buy something from Nordstrom. So if you click on Nordstrom, if you go back to nordstrom.com, the cookies are there that you had gone to Nordstrom using my link. So if you buy something seven days later a I will still get a commission because of those cookies because it realizes that you were brought to Nordstrom at one point within the past like 30 days or however many days. The cookies last for that specific website, I will get a commission. So that's why I really love magic links. If you are an influencer or you are YouTuber and you want to check out magic links. You guys can use my link in the show notes and again like affiliate marketing. If you guys you sign up using my link we both get money from it. So that is how a Philly at marketing works and that is a huge way on how YouTubers make money because we are constantly promoting product and even if we're not getting paid for it, there's no harm in Seeing if you guys will buy it for example so we can link it up. And then if you guys buy it, then we get a percentage and it's nothing that you did like you didn't pay us any extra or anything like that. It's simply because you clicked on a link and then another way that not getting paid. This isn't a way to make money. But this is a way of how to get free stuff is PR packages. So even though they aren't payment it is nice PR packages are a great perk because they do save you a lot of money. I mean, I don't remember the last time I bought makeup like I think I bought a foundation a few months ago. But that was it. I get so much makeup from PR packages. I don't ever feel the need to actually go to Sephora or Ulta to buy makeup because a lot of makeup companies send me their PR package, which is amazing same with skincare. I don't remember the last time I actually went to buy like face wash or anything like that besides the makeup remover wipes because PR packages are amazing and they always send a lot of skincare to so that's another really really really Something about it. So even though they're not payments. They do save you money in that way and how you get on PR list is you email their PR person either the pr firm or you email the pr contact for that company. So a lot of companies especially bigger ones have PR firms. So the one PR firm can manage lots and lots of companies, but you can also just find the pr person by searching through their websites and you pitch you can pitch yourself or if you have a manager your Sir, we'll put you on PR list because again the connects that they have but if you don't have a manager one way of putting yourself on the list as to email their PR firm or email their PR rep or contact explain who you are. Hey, I I do YouTube videos or I'm a YouTuber. These are my demographics. These are my numbers. I feel like my channel really aligns with your company. I love your product. I would love to be added to your PR list. So that is one way to Make sure that you are on their PR list a lot of times they will respond back. Thanks. What's your address to be put on the pr list and then whenever they send out PR packages, which you guys definitely see on Instagram stories or you blogs or anything like that. Then they you will be on that list to receive the product which is really really really nice. And I love PR packages. The one thing is they can be pretty wasteful. I do get a lot of packages that I don't really use but I need to start incorporating that in more giveaways I give them away. Way to my friends a lot. My siblings probably have so much free stuff from my PR packages. So that is another really really nice thing. They could also be used as good gifts. And the next thing I want to talk about which I have mentioned plenty of times in this podcast is managers how to get one really what they are. So my opinion of managers is that they are great. I highly recommend everyone to get a manager. Once you're at a certain point that you want to start taking it seriously and that you are able to make money off of it. So You can get a manager really at any point. If you're really really small you might not get a manager right away. But honestly, I feel like if a manager sees potential in you they are going to want to take you on that is my opinion personally the way I see managers is to think of a model having an agent. That's exactly the way it is, but for YouTubers and managers so they pitch you to campaigns they have connections to Big Brands and big PR firms. They can tell you that they have you as a client and think you would be a good fit for their brand or Or their campaign that they're doing. So that is how managers work is. They have a lot of connections and even if a brand isn't really looking for someone your manager can pitch you to them and say hey I have this client. She really loves your product. I think she would be great. If you have Commit campaigns in mind, let me know or I could come up to my manager and say hey, I'm moving Apartments, which this is actually a true story. This is something that I did do I was moving to a new apartment and I really wanted to work with a company that could decorate my Movement with paintings. So I reached out to my manager. I told her a list of companies that I really really liked and would love to work with and I saw that these companies had done campaigns with other YouTubers. So new that they did do influencer marketing. They weren't completely new to influencer marketing and she emailed them and I got a brand deal with one of them. So it was really really cool that I was able to reach out to them versus them just coming directly to me. So managers are great for that like you can reach out or they can go to your manager. If that makes sense Brands can also come to them and say hey we're looking for a college YouTuber who has girls ages 18 to 22 as their demographic. Who do you have and they will send them all their clients that fit that demographic and fit that what they're looking for and then the brand can say, oh, I like I like I like her videos. I think that she would resonate with our brand a lot and that her audience would really like our product. So we want to like pitch her what are her dates and then your manager will tell them your rates and negotiate and He's going how it works. I think it would be really really cool to interview a manager like a YouTube influencer manager. So if you guys want that in an episode, then please DM me and let me know or comment on the real real podcast is Instagram and let us know which interview like if you guys would like that and another misconception I think about managers is that they do not control your Channel at all. So I have 100% say in absolutely everything that I post on my channel if if my manager comes up to me with an amazing deal like a huge brand deal. I can turn it down. It is 100% up to me today. I actually just turned down a pitch to a campaign. So you really have 100% control of your channel. My manager does not tell me what to post. She doesn't tell me when to post anything at all. We do have some calls where I will talk to her and I kind of tell her how I want the future of my channel like where I want my future where I want the future of my channel to go. And she can say like, oh I can talk to this person or whatever like they had the connections, but they really are there to just support your channel and help you grow. They are not there to dictate what you post so they can give you advice and everything like that, but they're not there to tell you what to post and how they need Ur direction of your channel to go. So that's all in all is how YouTubers make money. I tried really diving deep into how they make money. This isn't really a how to grow your YouTube channel. So if you guys want an episode of that then let me know. But anyways, I really hope that you guys enjoyed today's episode. It was insightful on how YouTubers make money and if you guys are wanting to become a YouTuber again, don't do it for the money. I think I said that enough times in the podcast, but seriously, it is so much more rewarding than that and you don't want to start something just because of the money because honestly, you're probably not going to stick to it. So if you do want to start a YouTube channel, make sure that it's coming from the right place. Make sure that you're passionate about this that this is what you want to do. Not just that you feel like you could make a lot of money because as you saw it took me years to even make a single paycheck or a single sponsored post. So it definitely is not all that glamorous, but it is definitely rewarding once you get there. I hope that you guys enjoyed this latest episode of the real real podcast. 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Today we are talking about a job I am very familiar with. I have been doing YouTube for 7 years now and it definitely has changed a lot. When I started I don’t even think Adsense was a thing. I don’t even know if Google had owned YouTube yet. You could not make money off of it, and the term “influencer” or “YouTuber” were not yet a thing. I have looked up countless of articles on how YouTubers make money, how influencers make money, etc. because I am curious on what others have to say about it. And let me tell you- the numbers are off. Influencers are getting paid way more what the numbers say. I feel like I have some knowledge in the area of youtube and how to make money. I am making a livable wage off of it which is insane. Never would I have believed that at 22 I could be doing what 15 year old me started. I am so blessed and so thankful. And because of that, I want to be transparent. I want to tell you how much you can make and how to make it. So if you are wanting to become a YouTuber, or just curious on how we make money… keep listening. Natalie's instagram: @nataliebarbu Where can you find us? IG: @therealreelpodcast Private Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/2271117656542941/ Show Notes: https://therealreelpodcast.com --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/natalie-barbu/support

This episode is sponsored by my go to stop for all things make up its Revlon. Hey everybody. I'm Ashley Graham. And this is pretty big deal. We're confidence is every episode I get to pick the brains of brilliant and inspiring honest new and old friends who are a pretty big deal. Today. We are talking to the hilarious Meghan Trainor Megan is a master songwriter and radio darling who also happens to be as sweet as pie in this episode. We talk about music body marriage and So much more Meghan Trainor where they can trade on previous video excited. Oh my gosh. Well, first of all congratulations about genetics, thank you. Yes, I dropped a song. I totally forgot. It was coming out last night, too. I was his yeah because we just approved like single artwork. I didn't have anything prepared. I was like guys I really dropped the ball on this hot like I don't have much to post. So today I'm going to try to brag about it and no, but I kind of love that when artists are like a little bit you No, they don't really like go in and be like here's what music he loses his enemies. Shove it down your throat. Yeah, you just put a story up and it was like in so many hours. Yo, my whole team worked on my caption. We were like, what do we say? We're like midnight and then the DNA amazing is insane. What goes into a post all my post I know of no idea. It takes a city of us and I'm like did I spell it? Right? Is this cool and then we'll delete it. We're all questioning ourselves. I'm it's stressful your captions are always great. I will say That I just like to keep it real. Yeah, and then when I want to explain something then I go to like my girl and I'm like a today explain it personally. Yeah use the right commas. Yeah, that's the worst Ivy punctuation. So we just got to see each other. It's at Fashion Week. Yeah my first Fashion Week. Oh my gosh. This was your first Fashion Week. Yeah. What how is that possible? I just I don't know man. I didn't I never did them. I always remember hearing about them and remembering like when I was in New York, I'm like, I'll traffic's crazy because Fashion Week. But I like I didn't get to learn a lot about it and I didn't I don't know I didn't have opportunities and this year. I made a point with my stylist Haley to make sure I went in and met my favorite designers and and then luckily in those meetings. They invited me to their shows and Christian was like the first meeting I should see Rihanna. Oh, I love you. He's the best and like the best at my curves man. Right? Like if you look at all my pictures from Fashion Week, I look bomb, but I can't stop getting over that picture. Of his outfit on that's the crop to the black crop top. It was like the crop top. I love a poofy shoulder and like my midsection was showing which is like No And I'd like your little ABS on top dude, my little pretend. I was young like but everyone like Jennifer Coolidge was the coolest woman of all time. We're coming up to me and they were like, well, I can't pull that off and I was like what you can yeah in Christians glows. Hell, yeah. Oh no that line of that front row was every month. I know it was a coolest. Yeah, and the best he hearty there like a sash. I was like guys she's pregnant. She's not coming and oh my God, we're partying. I mean, I'm the worst I'm like not really a party girl me either and yeah, that was my first Club in four years. Wow. I got married and was like, good night everybody. That's what happens. That's what happens. I don't want to go but I actually had a lot of fun. I just want to know like what what is it? What from the beginning you were singing in church, which wow you did research. But hello church girl here, too. Yes, what kind of trusted you Been a method is a Methodist. You're like, it's kind of boring. I don't know. I'm in going to Sunday servers that Kanye West's like you have girl. Wait a second. I'm in the front row. I found a service and it's poppin' I want to come you can come with me whenever you want. Yeah. Oh my God. I mean like I know people like my manager grew up with the Kardashians. So like that's my in totally. That's the only in I'm in like, that's it. What what my friend told me that it was one of the most and he sings in church, he goes on tour, but he said it was one of the most emotional choirs moments that he has had and people were crying and yeah, you're really praising their well, it's like I just love it because I haven't gone to church since when I grew up in that church and church was like not to offend anyone at my church, but like boring and I kind of creepy and dark and I was like tired and my dad was like the only fun part because he's playing the organ and he's like, good morning everyone and I would sing with him and that was like the best And now this church like are not charged as a Sunday service and they don't like shove anything down your face or like just appreciate life. Appreciate what we have they sing a song that's like we have everything we need and I just grabbed my family we start crying and we're like we have everything we need and it's I wrote them a letter Kanye's manager of like I've never felt more welcomed. I've never felt happier. I've never felt like so spiritual and so happy with my family like this brings. Us together every week and it makes my family closer and it's like the coolest thing we've ever done so I'll be in LA in a few weeks. Okay, and I'll call you come with me. We gotta do what I wanted. I want to know I want to know what it was like going from singing in church to 2016 and you're winning the Grammy for Best New Artist. Like what happened there? Oh, I jumped yes Josh. I was singing on the beach on Nantucket for like people who are eating dinner that were like man like and I had this one little fan named Bobby and I Us did the Today Show and he was there. He likes showed up like he's still my number-one fan that comes to my shows and he's like so it's actually better because backstage. Oh, yeah. We were chilling all morning, but that's my Bobby. He's from Nantucket. He's great, but it's crazy that yeah, it felt like in one week. I went from singing for a restaurant of people who weren't looking to an arena in Boston like my Arena the Boston Garden for Jingle Ball and I was in front of 20,000 people. Well, which is more than the island that I came from like that's more people than the island that I came from the population. So it was all like what's happening like and we're still my brothers would be my mom's when we were still pinching ourselves. Like how are we here? Like this is the coolest thing ever that you you're interviewing me right now. Like we're still like my moms. Like I can't believe this is happening. It's great. You were writing songs. Yeah, you're ready. Music. Yeah, and and what made you want to go from right? Going to hey, I'm out here. Well, this is me. I welcome wanted to and I always felt the fire in me and I my dad said never I don't know how I said it but it was like don't have to rely on people to make your dreams come true. So I started learning production and I was producing these albums in my room and like a little beast and no one's ever seen like a 16 year old girl doing that at the time and so I would walk into sessions like as a freak. They're like, oh, oh you're scary and I'm like, can you move over so I can finish the song and and this is when you were like 16 7. Yeah, 16 17. I was like officially signed by a country publicist and I was one tree. Yeah random because like I did the song writing conventions like like you submit your songs and then people judge you. Okay, and you hopefully get signed at one of these places and my second year I got signed. I was like, I'm about a did I'm not going to college like that was my I win and so they would send me to La weeks at a time and I would write with all these random strangers and I kept writing and writing and eventually I wrote All About That Bass and nine months after writing that song like it was floating out and nobody cut it no one could cut it because it's so specific and then LA Reid heard it at Epic Records and was like, well who's singing the song just go get her and then they met me and I had like a backwards hat on was like Ella Meghan Trainor. I'll songwriter. I don't know and I've just been holding on for dear life ever since. I'm all about that bass like my own July Edition for my record deal was me with a ukulele like the night before I was like, I only have a youkai don't do tracks. I don't know and they're like that's fine. They loved it when it was like I'm a songwriter and played it on the ukulele and they're like, yeah. Well, I read everyone else was like, what is this? But La got into it. I was like shoes. Well, he likes it. That's fine. Was this a dream? Yeah. This was a and people warned me. They're like heads up. He's gonna bring A lot of people in the audition room and he didn't he brought in like 12 people and I said is this it and he goes all you want to show he's like hold up and that he brings in 40 people and I was like shut your mouth Megan. What are you doing? Little girl little girl like then I was like gulp here we go. And did you write that song in the expectation knowing that it was going to be this huge body positive change like all I remember is when I wrote it with Kevin kadish who's like a dad. He's like who like like I just met this guy. It's like a blind date every time you write like a song with you're making magic with a stranger, right? So I was like nice to meet you. What's up? I was like we both grew up chubby and I was like, okay we can relate about that and we were just laughing all writing the song Like No One's Gonna Hear It no one's going to be willing to cut it and I was like screw it. I'll sing it and I went in there and put on The Sassy soulfulness that I grew up like loving which is also Meghan Trainor that is yeah, like now, it's everyone's like, oh that can trainer. Which is crazy. But yeah, I sang it he put no auto-tune on it was very raw. We left like you like it. I like it. Okay, and that was that that's amazing that you can just like walk into a studio not know somebody have a connection and then boom 45 minutes later. I meet I said this is this is what put you on the map. Yeah. Did you know that you were going to be this this kind of like this darling for our America about body confidence? I mean seriously We because you know, I think there's so many young girls who looked up to you and said, oh she's got a base and we're not talking about the we're talking about you got drunk. Yes. I didn't even know that until I was like Photo foot like people are taking pictures of me everywhere. I was like, well they oh my you didn't know you have body. I didn't know I had curve like my waist goes in thank the Lord was like, it's like shaped right? It's like all the right junk in all the right places. I was like, but it no I had no idea any of this was going to happen. I No, when it first started blowing up, I got a lot of hate first right of like you got a lot of back line. What was that? Like scary it is? Oh, no, I didn't mean I didn't want this. I wanted maybe like I got 20,000 views on the video and I was like, that's cool. And if I get dropped great, at least I did it and I tried and I was like pumped that I just signed a record deal. So when it blew up I was like, uh-oh. Hold on like what's gonna happen now and then I've just been Like literally running with it like holding on for dear life. Like we're still here. Have you had trouble with your body ever or have you always just been confident? I mean no no, no, no, no. No, I know because it just said like you, you know, you came out and you were like, oh, I didn't know I was so Kirby. I always grew up on the chubbier side like my brothers and I we all did in the my older brother just shot up in sixth grade and we came and I was like a strawberry act. Yeah, and now I was like, ooh hot brother. Like that's what I'm known for now. Sometimes the Christian show. They're like who the hell brother? Oh, yeah Adam there dang. I missed out on a candy em to me. Yeah, I mean, I mean I like I like a hot mess around. Yeah. He killed he go but Justin is a saint. Yeah, he'll get it. No, I wrote that song. Like I wish I was here and stuff like this on the radio. Hmm. And like I knew it would never I thought it would never work because people don't think about that stuff. People are just hot and like Pop stars are hot and beautiful. I was like, well, I'll never look as good as Rihanna, you know, I'll never no matter how I always told my dad, like don't worry because I'll be 26 and I'll be at the biggest songwriter and then I'll figure out how to fix my body and lose weight and look like a pop star and then I'll do it. And so for the fact that LA Reid was like you look perfect and you are perfect. And this song is perfect. I was like I am and then like I started learning that Years and years of singing the song to people and seeing their reactions and hearing their stories. I was like me to like it was my therapy. I just got chills because to have somebody tell you that your perfect when for so long. We've had to fit into society into the norm and here you are you're like, I am me has it been difficult for you having the backlash of the Skinnygirl comment, you know, and there's so many comments like this and music now because you just want to be yourself, but do you feel pressure now writing? Thinking about those comments or do you just say like, you know what? This is me and I am who I am. Yeah. I'm so sensitive dude. I'm So Soft. I any time like people freak out on Twitter I crawl in a hole and I used to not be on Twitter. Like I used to have my mom tweet for me or help me out and and like recently I've been going on it and like really engaging with my fans. Twitter gives me anxiety and then I went to dark holes and was like, how do people deal with this? How do people Vive this people are really strong and I always put on this strong look of like no one can hurt me, but I'll oh my God comments her hmm. I mean even in interviews, I'm like don't say anything, you know, right it makes you sick relative are or yeah and especially songwriting like I want to help everyone and I don't want to upset anyone and that's like if I'm reaching all these people that's what I want in the first place. So I'm thinking extra hard about it. Yeah. Yeah, it's hard. I understand that sentiment. Yeah, when I think about Photoshop I think about you know, I mean, you know where I'm going with this but I have been I have been on the other side of a photo where they take out all my cellulite they retouch my waist. They narrow my face. They would do you look at what do you think? I think it's ridiculous. I hate it and I have no say there are so many times where I've been on set and I'm like hey, do you see that dimple? Do not take it out. Really I say to you. Her friend because you know what? Like we can't have these conversations of love who you are and then our faces on a cover of magazine exactly. So what happened with your music video me too. So frustrating, nobody believes me to it's all Caillou didn't approve a video before I came out. I proved a video it wasn't that I I was on the road. So I was in buses and I was like traveling looking at this video, but I made sure like I screen like because the fans now days they screenshot it and they put So I go by literally every single clip a three minute video just that's okay. That's okay. That's okay and I have screenshots on my computer. I had my whole family watched it. I was even like concerned about my dress like you could see my pin in the back or something and I was like, let's zoom in on that and make sure that's good when that video was online the first five seconds. I was like, why are the fans photoshopping me because they were posting re shots of the video. I was like, why are they messing with my waist? So Hard and then I looked at the video and I was like, oh God. Oh God. It is my video. You can see it right away. So instantly and my family was like that's a joke, like that's harder than like Nicki Minaj's actual body. Like it wasn't human. What did you do? What was your first reaction re my I was I freaked out I went those the first time in the last time I went right to social media. I went to Snapchat was like well guys guess my team messed it up. So I'm going to take it down. And my manager had the time to work harder ripped it down like he was like this is impossible. But I'm going to do it and you ripped it down for me and when they fixed it and I was like I put it back up and I'm in my hotel room doing Glenn getting ready for like the Today Show and on the news like Good Morning America is like new music video by Meghan Trainor apparently Photoshop and she's upset and what I just knocked out it is on the television on the news. Thank God you had snapped right? I was like, okay. This is a good thing. I had people Messaging me. Like hey, don't do that. Don't speak out about it. You're going to hurt people's feelings like the editors and the directors ever did it to you and I asked him what it was like in a different country like in a different time zone and and they're like it's going to take a day to fix it. And I was like you guys suck like this whole experience. So at the end of this after making all the phone calls you had to make and doing the Snapchat and all the Press. How did how did you re one to me? Like I am dumb no Photoshop girl. Like this is we're going to do two. How did you feel? I mean like how so sad you don't beerus embarrasses the best word. Mmm just like because I'm telling everyone I approve this my family approve this and I would have seen that in 5 seconds and it was the whole video and I was just so mortified that I had to deal with it. But now here you are you can talk about it now like I don't care if you believe me that's what happened like, well you hear it now like I believe I believe. Yeah, I mean it's not even on that other side of it if you're listening. You listening Meghan Trainor. It wasn't a stunt but now it's so how transparent you are your social media. It's so fun you tag Spanx? Oh, wait. Look, I'm wearing them right now. Yeah is wearing Spanx just over her knees. She's got like this long silky are those pants are so it's a skirt skirt, but she has like a chiffon. She sweater on the Empire State Building and it was windy. Oh, I was like, I don't want to wear them. I'm good, and I'm there like you should wear these and I had my, Maryland. Dro moment hundred times I was like, oh so it did they go up and you pull them up under your bra. Yeah. I had that this morning. Yes. Do you do the over the shoulder or yeah the straps the I hate the over-the-shoulder. I really I tuck it under my bra. Okay. I was going to say but then I get like muffin top right here. I just II embrace the muffin. No. No, you don't you don't leave it here. You tuck it under and your body? Yes, your bra holds it but you have to have your stylist pull it from the back. Like here's the Bronco the Spanx. Okay. Okay. I'll show everybody on my know. It's yeah dancing like no, I'm not dancing like I'm not doing the same. So there's no rules for dressing your body rules for dressing me actually sure. What I guess I'm scared of genes. Are you hate jeans? That's so funny. But I'll rock them if they're like the boyfriend or whatever. They're called like the baggy baggy. Yeah, and I've rocked him like tight, but my problem is I can't Wear jeans and sit down like I know the like the the it just really hurts me my stomach like it hurts and it leaves a red line. And if I wear it like I don't like this area my how what rated R. We know we are x-rated. Yeah, we are. Yeah my vagina area. I don't want a fupa the fupa. I don't want details about showing and so if you see my outfits unlike let this we will never see Meghan Trainor's poop. You will never see a camel toe on me ever. I won't let it happen. I won't does Darrell like your fupa? Okay worships my body more than I thought any person could okay when I was aggressive. I okay. What I love is that you said by the way, everybody Darrell's her husband and there are so many freaking this guy like here downstairs and where he's the great. I have someone on my team that was like, oh he's in an iconic film Spy Kids. Which I feel like I have to watch now. Oh my God, you just watched the first one. Okay, and because he's six years old like a baby and he's the cutest little thing and I want to have a thousand babies with him. Oh, well, I can tell you that was it the first trimester sucks. I'm in the second and I'm kind of into it like you don't have to suck in. Yeah. You don't know what I mean. Like when I like get really bloated or eat a lot and I'm like, oh, I wish this was like for a life, you know. Like yeah, exactly. It's okay. I'm making a life right now, you know, but I want to talk about what you were saying because what I love that you said about Darryl was that he made you feel sexy. This is one of the first times that you felt sexy and I know what that feels like when I was 20 years old. I had a new boyfriend who's my first longtime boyfriend and he was like your body is like a Wonderland. Yes, and I did not know that a man would be that obsessed with my you know side. But cellulite like back fat. Oh, yeah. What did Darryl say? What did he do to you to make you just feel so comfortable with him. It's like the little moments like when I'm undressing to get in the shower or I'm putting clothes on and I look like never act like I look crazy and I'm like slipping on a spank. He's like God, I'm the luckiest man alive. Like he says, he's big liners that I'm like really and he yeah, it's it's when I feel my ugliest to like it's been days without makeup, and I'm just like In pajamas non-stop for days. He's like like, how did I get I have did I marry the prettiest girl in the world and I was like, he loves you for saying that he's liked it and he'll give me examples. He's like your eyes your face your skin like loves the top top. Hello loves. I know Justin's a boob man 2. Yeah. Oh and they get really sensitive when you're pregnant you really? Yeah. You don't want their Alana. Yeah. You heard. I'm like, I'm like some so I'm just like down Justin. Yeah. Ha ha ha. No, I want to know where did all of this transparency come from being real? Yeah being real. I don't know how else to not really I mean they gave me media training one day at Epic Records and I was like first starting out and she ripped me apart dude. She's like I can tell you're nervous by the way, you're holding your knees and above a bit and I was like, well, this is stupid. I want to do this ever again and I didn't and my team was like you're fine. You have a good personality just Yourself? And so I just so it was that one moment that you thought you know what I'm not going to just choose to not be like me. Yeah, it was like posture every all of my answers were wrong. Like they're like I was riding your album and I was like, well, I saw a bunch of cows outside in the morning and smelled a lot of cow poop. So it was kind of stinky butt and they're like don't say that. I like what I that's what I saw like, I peed behind the barn because I couldn't make it to the house like got it. So you just jump the real country like they didn't like your honesty. Yeah, okay. So I also want to talk about your surgery that you had and the local surgery two of them. You had two of them. Yeah, what was what happened? I failed. I don't know. I I worked so hard for like four years non-stop. I was on like every single day doing a show doing this and I just not born like my vocal cords were not born to do this gig I think because some people can smoke a whole Blunt and then go on stage and have an hour-long show. I can barely get through like a 30-minute show. Like it's a real struggle and I have to really learn like okay. This is the part I sing this part the crowd sings like I have to like study that and really learn where I can breathe and and I was on tour and I just kept my throat kept bleeding and I wasn't drinking I wasn't doing anything wrong. I was getting the best sleep. I could on a bus and bouncing from hotel to hotel. I was like, I'm fine I could keep going. And they're like if you don't stop you'll blow them out permanently like you will do real damage. So I went I had to cancel entire tour which is like disappointing everybody that make you anxious. Oh, it was horrible. I had like bronchitis at the same time. I was on so many steroids. So, you know how that feels like when you're sick non-stop. So they just pump you with steroids and you're angry fat and have acne riddling my face. I was like this isn't real right like there's writing in my journal like nah. Oh my God. Thank God for a journal. Because I can't imagine going through something. That's so I mean, it's like altering traumatic. It's like sorry. I don't know how to explain it or compared to dancer like say your whole life is dancing. That's your career. That's how you survive and then you break both legs and you're like, oh like you're out I was silent. I was silent for over four months with like a new love of my life to Darryl. I to teach him like some sign language and I had to write in a phone and was like, like like you can't go home. You can't laugh. You can't cough. Wow, I get some type of torture and then I got locked in my head for too long. And then I got crazy physical crippling anxiety that I didn't like really understand. I didn't really comprehend our I didn't know what people were talking about when they're like, oh I get diarrhea and I like throw up and I like also and I was having these physical changes to my body like I'd be on fire and I was like, oh I I have like something really wrong. Me and I went to the emergency room like twice and they were just like honey. This is a panic attack and I was like, no I was like it's an allergic reaction. And now you understand. Yeah, and now I'm fully in now. I see how like scary can get and have so many doctors like waiting for me to take care of me and a therapist. I got a meditation girl girl, but you have to you know, when you when you have the means to be able to help yourself. Oh, yeah do it. That's why I like treat myself. Self is my whole new way of life now. Like that's why my album is called to myself because that's how I had to like get through it and survived it and in it, you're like, oh I'll never get over this and now on the other side like ho ho I figured it out. Okay last but not least. Okay, you are talking about your new song genetics. Yeah, where did that come from? Every person in the industry to me? They just go. Yeah, right. Another base right another all about that base on which is why this album is taking so long because they're like, yeah, it's not as good as base, you know, and I'll never not here that for the rest of my life. I mean, so I was like, okay, what's another baby song? What's another I love my body because this is what I'm born with I was like genetics is fire. That's a pretty cool way saying it and I was like, but I want to spell it like they did like ba n it, you know, like bananas and Fergalicious that was like my every Fergie Glamorous. Like all that stuff. So I was like, how can I make one of those and I was like GE and ET SES I was like oh and then I was in the shower like how you get that ball. But uh, is it from God? Did you work real hard know GE n ET SES? Oh my God, and I he wrote it in the shower. Yeah for like a week. I had that in my head. I was like, I need to get to a studio and I worked with just entranced who's a big songwriter and Mike Sabbath. Who's this 21 year old wizard? From New York City and he's so good. He's a producer and he's featured on my new songs coming out called way for you're gonna love it. Oh, I can't wait and the album's coming. I was coming Meghan Trainor album coming years later Here Comes. Oh my God. I'm so excited. Thank you for being on. So the last thing that we do on pretty big deal is like a lightning round but like fill-in-the-blank lightning round orders. Yeah one word sentence, whatever you want. Okay, I pretty much always burp. Me too. All the time. Oh, I hate it. I hate it. I feel like her simple water and bourbon. I got four beers. What's the biggest lesson you learned in the past year. That's a big one too like to spit out. I know the biggest lesson. I've learned in the past year. Food can make you feel better. Like if you I mean emotionally but also I was so dumb, but also if you eat healthier you like don't have stomach aches all the time. I know I had to cut Dairy out dude, I can't will gut I cut out like I'm a pescetarian or whatever now. Oh, yeah, but I need my Dairy so I suck at it. It sucks. I know. Okay. What's the biggest deal you've ever made? Like do you like you or like I made a big deal out of that or contract or money or I don't know whatever. Yeah. I made something was a big deal. Your life. Oh man. I'm shocked at these are made out. The big deal a big deal is Darryl, I guess that girl that girl. Oh my God my just imagine him being a baby and then them being like baby Darrell may be damned. Did I mess up? I was like, I hate your name Darrell. That's your name. I was like, this is my God Darryl. Okay last one because Meghan Trainor is a pretty big deal. What? Is a pretty big deal to you. Whoa, hit me with these deep ones Hit Me With Your Best Shot. That's a pretty big deal to me. Um, I'm sounds so lame. It's okay. Be nice to people. No, that's not lame. It's not a big deal man. I was like at the Today Show and I was saying hi to every person there and they just kept saying like one dude was retiring and he pulled me over and was like, I've done this for 11 years. I worked with every Star there is you are the most humble the kindest the nicest, sweetest girl that way. Like look forward to when you say again and I was like you don't make me cry. Yeah, but that's like all about going nice gives you such a long way in life and and friendships and like you learn a lot. I don't know. I like you got compliments a day. That's my favorite be kind. Thank you Meghan Trainor think I'm pretty big deal to let me do this with such a big deal. Yeah. All right. Thank you everybody for listening and watching and make sure to comment on Twitter and Instagram with Meghan Trainor. Pretty big deal is produced by a pretty big deal Productions and obb sound.

Ashley Graham sits down with Grammy Award winning artist, Meghan Trainor! You've seen Meghan dominating radio, touring around the world, and judging on Fox's The Four and The Voice UK. Her first hit "All About that Bass" is a body positive anthem for the ages--and she's got plenty more where that came from. Her third major-label album Treat Myself drops January 21st 2020 #PrettyBigDeal Instagram: https://instagram.com/prettybigdealpod/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/prettybigdealpod/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/prettybigpod Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/ashleygraham Website: https://www.prettybigdealpodcast.com HOST Ashley Graham GUEST Meghan Trainor Executive Producers Ashley Graham Penni Thow Scooter Braun Co-Executive Producers Kelsey McWilliams Ava Coleman Directed by Kaliya Warren Writer Ava Coleman Line Producer Jess Vogel Associate Producer Ilyssa Walker Researcher Shanaz Mahmud Director of Photography Katherine Castro Post-Production Supervisor Jess Vogel Colorist Marika Litz Sound Mixer James Sparber Editors Crystal Arnette Lucy Tatianna Morales Main Title Theme by: Johannes Raasina Lefteris Ioannou Title Theme Producer Johannes Raassina Camera Operators Autumn Moran Megan Mansur Gaffer Moe LaRena Assistant Camera Charlie Gillette Julissa Ramirez Gimbal Operator Crystal Arnette Additional Camera Operator Barbie Leung Behind the Scenes Camera Barbette Johnson Mary Evangelista Key Production Assistant Julissa Ramirez Additional Sound Recordist Deanna Williams Wardrobe Jordan Foster Makeup Katie Jane Hughs Hair Styling Cameron Rains Art Director Laura Miller Production Sound Kit Jirles Data Management Melissa Bueno-Woerner Production Assistant Catrina Kokkoris Production Assistants Masha Zhak Adam Duplechain Nick Kaufmann Christian Guinanzaca Guy Mueller Additional Production Support: Raquel Dominguez Jennifer Spottz Special thanks: MINA WHITE IMG MODELS Argon Props Adorama Rental Company Youtube Studios Youtube Space NY

Hey friends, I would just like to quickly share with you about how I'm making this podcast and how you can potentially make your own podcast. So I'm using anchor which is a free platform in this creation tools that allow you to record and edit your podcast right from your phone or computer. Then anchor will also distribute your podcast for you. So you can be heard on Spotify a podcast and many more. Well, the only thing you need to do is download the free anchor up or go to Anchor dot f m-- to get started. Good luck and have fun.and Alright, so here we are. Finally. I'm so excited. This is happening to I have my beloved and a banana here all the way from the Netherlands and I'm so glad to have met you in my life. And I think it's so important that you as a person who has been around quite a lot over the past years or so. So, yeah, you've been around you've been everywhere and you've made a lot. Friends that I can see and then you've met a lot of people that have not actually become friends, but you've got to know a lot of people in general. Yeah, I'll put it that way. So I think for this to begin nicely why don't you introduce yourself a little bit because I I know I know you but what about other people? What are you going to tell someone that you literally just met by yourself? And what's really important in your journey that kind of like shapes you for who you are now exactly. So I'm Anna. As I've already said I'm 23 years old. I'm from the Netherlands. I grew up in the area of Amsterdam, which is where I spend most of my life. So I did my bachelor's there and then I decided that was time for some change and I decided to take a gap year travel to Asia for a couple of months and then I decided to move to Sweden to pursue my masters and it's a part of my monsters. I'm currently on Exchange in Australia. So I think having Can't say I've been around quite a bit. And so that is like my journey so far in a nutshell, I guess. Hmm, and yeah, definitely along the way I met a lot of great people not so great people as well. I guess that's always a part of the deal. But yeah, so I would definitely like try to encourage everyone to you know, take that step into like go out and explore and travel a lot as well because of things That a lot of people tell me usually he's like, oh, you're so lucky that you get to do all of that or I'm really jealous. But I do think that you know, like you can do that as well. Like of course everyone has their own life circumstances and you know just issues but I do think that a whole different life or like traveling throughout your life is only a couple of decisions away. So I think that's definitely something I would like to share with everyone which is been such a big part of my journey like traveling in Was bein so that's definitely a like something. I would love to share with others like to encourage them to do that as well. Okay interesting. So I think we've talked about so many things overall long condos on the beach or not, but I think it's so important that I've realized how important traveling is to you. Yeah, because you've also told me about how you changed after traveling and you've seen things. So you've seen people and then you've learned a lot and grow as well. Exactly. So how does that work in terms of growth? Because obviously before you start traveling you're a different person now, you're also a different person. So in terms of your journey, what is the one thing in that growth that kind of shapes you'd for who you are now and why is it so important that everybody should travel? I think you're just like changes your view on the world. A lot of people I think as well because he met so you meet so many different people around the world like really different backgrounds and I think it just makes her world a lot brother. I think when you're in the same place for a long time, you you tend to be around the same people and you're like you tend to do the same things over and over again, and I think they're you kind of like stagnated your growth if that makes sense. So I feel like if you go out and you meet different people with really different mindsets and really different values you just Let you take some some of that with you and it becomes part of you and you take that like Yahweh. And I think that's really one of the major things that helped me grow just to see different perspectives and things. Yeah, I would say that is like the main the main thing but maybe also on friendships actually cuz apart from the places you go to I think the most important thing is like the people you share the experiences with And I think my previous idea friendship was really built around like spending a lot of time together. And so obviously I can't do that with my friends at home right now because I'm always a way but I think it's not about spending time to get there at all, but actually about like what just like kindness throughout your relationships and it doesn't really matter in which geographic location these friendships are because you can it's really easy to maintain your friendships in a different way if you want to I just letting people know like you're thinking about them or like random acts of kindness. I would say and not necessarily about like spending time together, which is definitely how I used to think about friendship. I guess. Mmm. That is so true. I think that's really relatable for a lot of people because maybe we don't necessarily travel around the world, but we travel from City to city and exactly it doesn't have to be a giant tree we live away from home and we live away from our Childhood friends and whatnot. Exactly. So I think that is a really interesting topic because I love friendship. I love you. I love you. Yeah, so I think yeah, that's something that we can maybe delve into today. Yes. Yes. Yeah, a lot of our relationships are built around friendship anyway, and yeah, I know we have family but friends are more like the family we choose exactly. So how do you deal with long-distance friendship when you travel so much and then over the past two years? You haven't actually been home exactly. So it's it is right has been really hard in the beginning. Let's put it that way because I was a bit scared that you know, you might lose some friends or like loosen the depth from your friendships if that makes sense. But then the funny thing is that that didn't happen at all. Like I feel like I'm actually closer to Friends right now because because you might focus on being a better friend maybe could because you don't get to spend that time together. So I feel like you know, I really try to make the best of my friendships whenever I can and like as I said, if you like these random acts of kindness are like really important. I tried to send my friends cards whenever I can for like birthdays or big defense and stuff like that just to like let them know I'm thinking of them and I do know I'm missing certain like, you know, big life decisions out there. Making right now like buying houses and stuff like that, which is really sad that I'm missing out on that. But then on the other hand, I feel like you know, I do get to support them really well, even from from a distance and even though I'm not like physically there. I feel like it just doesn't really matter that much as long Yeah, it's you're still there and some other way if that makes sense. Yeah, really? So yeah, that's definitely how I like to Yeah, I keep my friendships in place and it hasn't been hard at all. And I think if you do have a hard time like, you know, keeping your friendships and check they might not be like proper friendships actually because I feel like at the point you start worrying about, you know, whether you're going to damage his friendship or like even lose it. I feel like it's just not a true friendship. So I don't feel like traveling like damaged any of my friendships. That I established like earlier in my life, but then I also just met a lot of new people that like became my best friends and I'm sure they will continue to be my best friends throughout her like over the over my life. Yeah. That is so sweet. And you're definitely one of you baby. Well, I don't know that. Yeah everyone it was known but I think that is nice. The way you put friendship into perspective. Yeah sure you travel, but I also think to put it in a broader sense. It also can be how you kind of like. Put your life into perspective if that makes sense. Because when you travel you kind of re-evaluate your relationships for me personally that yeah what happened as well because I moved all the way here and then I'm like, okay what's going to happen with me and the relationships at home? Exactly and then I realized oh, so these are the people that I am actually close to and these are the people that I'm not really close to but it's nice to check in from time to time. And obviously for friendship is the same like we were I don't have to worry about losing. The Friendship because we are good friends. So I think in terms of friendship we've touched on that and that's well pretty much everything that I would say really relatable to everybody. Yeah, but what you're saying is really relatable to actually because I do feel like you know, once you take that step away from from your smaller world that you're living in like you definitely put things into perspective and realize oh, this is actually not working for me and this is really working for me and I think that's really Beautiful to because some from some friendships not work for you. And that's okay too. Not necessarily a bad thing, I guess and you know people change as well like you do to all the time. So yeah, I guess it's not that big a deal. I've like some sometimes you do actually lose a friend one of my friends actually once told me this saying that for like every New really good friend that you get like you kind of lose one as well. And I think of what when she first told me that I was like that's so not true because like you keep meeting new people like pretty much every day and like of course not all of them become very close friends, but I don't feel like for everyone I meet I kind of loose, you know contact with someone but like at some point I was like this is kind of true because I feel like you can only have so much close friends, you know, because you can't have 30 of them because that's that's going to be really Really hurting? Yeah, that's gonna be really really high to check on them. Exactly. And like, of course you can have a really big like broader friend group, but then your close friends. Yeah for your close friends. If you like that saying is pretty accurate like you can only have so many of them. Yeah. Yeah, that's true because I think for friendship when you're really far away from each other kind of like stops how frequent you used to communicate. Yeah, but I also feel like it does. Have to be every day. It doesn't have to be all the time. But sometimes it was just check-in. Let's say a month or so and there was no good because we are what's happening in each other's lives. And I think that the nice thing as well is that when you have a really good friendship, you're not really worried about being blamed for not sharing something. I don't think so because you're on the road and then you have things happening and so much to deal with you're overwhelmed and if that's a good friendship than the other person will not blame you for not sharing. At that moment exactly. Yeah, I totally I totally agree on that and I feel like if you're in a good friendship, you don't have to talk to each other every day. Not at all. Like what I do with my like my close friends in the Netherlands. We just sometimes we don't talk for like two weeks or so, but then we would like plan a time to have a call and then we call her like two hours and then the same thing happens like we don't talk to each other for like two weeks or three weeks and then like it happens all over again. So like we update each other really like Sensitively and then it's gonna quiet which is fine because then you know your daily life goes on and everything and then you're just doing their thing and then you're kind of sharing it later. And I know that might sound a bit weird because sometimes you do want to share things in a moment, right, but I do feel like the smaller things that I would like to share in the moment is what I do it like friends that are into same geographic location and then like yeah with friends that are way I would rather like, you know, update them at some point like Like whenever because I feel like if you plan a time and you sit down and you talk to your friends, you know, that's all that matters in that moment is your is your friend and like, you know talking to each other and I feel like if you're just going about your day and then you're like, you know texting a lot of people at the same time. You might not really take the time to properly talk to each other like you might not have your full attention for that person and I feel like that's one of the major reasons why I like You know have just major update every once in a while and I feel like that works really well or at least it has been working really well for me in the past years. That's great. Yeah, that was really great. Okay. So I think this is really interesting. It's just pops into my mind. I'm thinking about how you have been all over the place. Let's put it that way and you you've made a lot of new friends. Yeah over the past two years I'd say, right? So then you have your close group of friends back home and then you have new friends and you're constantly on the road. So what about your new friends? Because you know for for new friendship, sometimes it's you have to take the time to nurture it and check in on each other get to know each other even that's what we are doing now and what it was still getting to know each other's I like their best friend in the world because well, it's pretty new as well. Exactly. So then this might even help us in the future. So what are you going to do when? You move from one place to another but you still want to keep the friendship without knowing whether you're going to meet each other again in the next year or so because it might be you be living in separate countries for the rest of your lives. Perhaps you're not going to be the exact same case with everybody but it might happen. So in that case, how do you plan to maintain the friendship or what do you think is going to help you with a friendships? So first of all, I think it's always like a two-way thing. So sometimes you really want to keep this friendship, but then the other person might not want you as well. So first of all, I think it's really like a communal thing, you know, like you both have to work on it. I think if it's a pretty new friendship and you moved to a different place, it's really important to like nurtured a bit more because you know what I said what I do with my friends and melons and every friends make for a really really long time like that does not necessarily apply to new friendships, I guess because you know, you might have to invest a bit more. She said like you still want to get to know each other so I feel like a More frequent can't talk. I have these moments. Sometimes it is just way too excited about this topic. That's why you're right. But anyway, I think more frequent contact is important if you're, you know newer friendship, and I do feel like you know if you want to Be at the same place at some point like you can totally make that work. So yeah, I would just say like take care of their friendship and then everything's going to be fine. But yeah, I guess the same thing applies that where you you know, you won't talk to each other that often maybe at some point, especially one like big things are going on, but I feel like it always kind of comes back you might have this period which is really stressful like I mean, I know this is going to happen for me when I'm running my master thesis. I know at some point I'm going to be You know, that's all I focus on and then but then you know when you when things are like more chilled out like I guess you pick it up again, and I guess that's kind of how it how it goes with every friendship that you have that's in a different location. Hmm. That makes sense. But how does that work for you? Because I mean the same thing kind of works for you. I guess. Well, I guess you live in a different country to yeah, it's not just me here. That's right. I do. Live in another country and I've made friends that from that are from other places that are not necessarily living here anymore. Yeah. And so what's your experience with that? Like do ya did you keep the friendship? Yeah, of course. Yeah. I mean I do get that you don't really have the luxury of checking in with each other all the time. Exactly. Especially when your friends aren't really the people who enjoy texting. Yeah, and as we call it the not the So yeah, yeah definitely some one of them but I love colleagues. Yeah, absolutely. I love calling to like I used to love texting. I used to love tasting and then I had this image in my mind that everybody has got to love texting. But yeah, that's what I thought too. Because easier. Yeah, I just thought you know what it's so good. It's so like if you know, yeah, but then yeah, you know friendship changes me as well because then I realized oh no Everybody enjoys the same thing and that's the nice thing about friendship. You make it work even though you're not the same exactly. So then I realize oh, so there are a couple of my friends who aren't really the kind of people who text all the time. But who would rather give like voice messages or giving me a call? So then I realized okay, so I'll make it work as well because now sometimes especially okay, for example, an example can be I spent a lot of time on public transport I commute all the time. And so that time is basically my time to talk to my friends. But because I don't want to bother other people. Yeah, you would I text. Yeah, right, but then I realized but my friends miss me and they want to hear my voice for example, or they prefer to talk on the phone and Cole rather than texting all the time because it takes so much time and then yeah, like have the gaps in between exactly. It's not like a proper conversation. Yeah, exactly. And so I thought okay, so I'm going to make it work on the one hand. I'll still message them from time to time but on the Other hand I'll make the time to give them a coal for check-in properly with a coal at home so might not necessarily be on public transport. But then yeah, I'll make it work with my friends back home. That's what I've been doing. I don't have a lot of time to call them because yeah because I try to do as much as I can during the day for my personal world, so I don't have a lot of time to call them which at first they were kind of upset about it even my family. But then now that they understand what it is that I'm doing and then why am I doing the things that I'm doing exactly they understand and they just agree to call whenever I'm free and then there was this one point me and my best friend we were talking about how we don't communicate in the same way. So she would give me voice messages and I would text her saying that I can't because I'm on the train. I'm on the tram. I don't want to bother other people and so we kind of agreed that you know. If you have something that's really important. Give me a call and if that's a missed call or call you right back and then yeah, it's been working and I think it's a nice change to our friendship as well because we tend to We tend to wait for each other, but now we don't wait anymore and we just kind of like be proactive in our friendship and just kind of like, okay now I need to talk to you. I'm going to call you if it doesn't work now, then we'll call later. Exactly but I think I like the aspect that you mentioned that proactiveness is. Is really important too because I feel like if one person is not like the other one might lose it as well. And then I think that is also where the cycle isn't it it really is it really is sorry. Yeah, that's also what I said earlier like it's such a two-way thing and especially like if both parties are proactive your friendships always going to be fine. Yeah, or wasn't a proper friendship to begin with I really easy. Yeah. Okay. So that was really nice I think and The idea for this podcast is for you to kind of share your ideas on the world. And what do you think about when you think about the war on yourself and what's important to you? So I think the nice thing to begin this very podcast is that you talk about friendship and I talked about friendship because that is so important to both of us, right and that's not something that necessarily would be mentioned to world leaders. That's my initial idea. Yeah, then we don't have to talk about it because this is more like for day-to-day conversation and what are you going to talk about? Out and when you talk to other people, what is your message? So your message is pretty clear as a two-way conversation is it's got to come from both sides. But then yeah wherever you are. Yeah, but then now for example if there's a person in this room who is not a good friend necessarily. Yeah, and who's trying to be a better friend then what would you say to the person to help the person become a better friend that's such a hard question, but it is but they cannot do You feel that? Yeah, but also depends on like what makes the person like not that good of a friend if you get what I'm saying? Yeah, because that could be due to a lot of different things I guess, but maybe I think first of all it's important to reflect on why you think of yourself as a bat friend or that is maybe not the right word but no good friend exactly because you might have this idea of yourself like I am I'm not that good of a friend right now, but it might also be that you know, all your friends don't actually perceive you that way if that makes sense. So I feel like it's also important to just take a moment to reflect on how they might see you because they might see as a really good friend and not as a not so good friend. But what I think is really important in like adult friendships is too. Well just like talk to people when you think of him that He works for me because as I said, I don't have like these are really, you know, I don't talk to my friends that often like texting her anything so I don't have it like a specific moment where I'm like as you have like in to train for example where I'm like no, I'm going to text my friends because I don't commute that much so like to me that doesn't really apply but I feel like sometimes just walking the street and then I like just thought pops up about my friend and then I just like check-in. So I think that is definitely really good. NG to do because I feel like that, you know gives you this more frequent contact I guess and it's such an easy thing to do like just checking in with someone so I guess but then again like it kind of comes back to why you think you're not that good of a friend like if I say if you have anger issues, that's a whole. I don't know everything you know, so it's really it's a little bit hard to give like, you know a broader advice to someone who Who thinks of themselves in such a way because it really depends on like the underlying issue. That's a shame that it makes sense. But let's say if you have anger issues count to 10. Yeah before you say anything to your friend exactly exactly and maybe also, you know, if you don't feel like like talking to someone in the moment don't do it, like wait and like yeah do it when you when you're in a better state of mind. Yeah, if that makes sense. Yeah, I think the reason I ask that question is because not because I want to look for a specific answer and giving me oven. That's a good friend. Not at all. I'm just thinking because you said you got to evaluate yourselfers. So I think that is so important. Yeah, because you don't know if you're a bad friend. Exactly don't know if you're a not so good friend. Oh, you don't even know if you're a good friend either. So exactly. Yeah. The key thing I would say like you said is to kind of evaluate yourself. In your friendship and talk to the person as well. So be open. Yeah, but also like yeah, you can totally talk to your friends about it. But I think you also kind of like know if you really, you know, try to analyze it because you can just like evaluate someone else's Behavior as well which probably has a lot to do with your behavior. So, you know, if your friends are not really checking in on you it's probably because you're not really doing that either so I guess you know that that's like the two iced. So yeah, I guess it's just important to evaluate. You ate where you're at like what your friends are doing and like look at the behavior and then you know think of like whether you're actually not so good friend or whether you're just being really good friends. But yeah, you gotta you taking yeah, so I think that is interesting because I brought up this question knowing that I've had so many bad friends in my life, but I'm also not sure if It was a good friend to them either. So having that answer too kind of like evaluate the friendship and what I've done how I communicate with them is also important. So yeah, that's a really good point that you made but also I think that you you said something earlier about losing a friend and making a friend. Yeah, and now we're talking about good and bad friends. I think everything is really interrelated as well because you don't know what a good friend is until you've had one if you know what I mean. Because what happened to me, I don't know if this has happened to you, but what if what has happened to me that I've realized a lot about friendship is that I try my best to make the Friendship work and I think that is a really really good friend of mine and I try my best but then to the point where things just kind of like fall apart and I have I have new friends and then I'm just really surprised at how good they are as human as friends and then I reflected on my previous. Friendship and I realize oh so that friendship didn't work for a reason because now I have such good friends and I realized that is a good friend and the other person the other friendship was not a good relationship. And now I know it was not my fault because I tried my best but sometimes it happens. It is really about perspective and I think it's got to happen as you grow as well it I think this happens to everybody regardless of where you come from how old you are. I think it always Evans yeah, everything's are only absolutely and I also think if you have a bad friend like it's some point it's going to be really hard for you to keep investing and in that friendship and then you might you know have to think about is this friendship even working for me and I feel like if you're if you surround yourself with like people they will become good friends because you know, your boat like have the same goal in mind like you both want to like make this friendship grow. So I feel like that will so it gives you a lot of like positive energy to work on that friendship as well. Yeah, I think you know being in a really bad friend or not necessarily really bad, but just a bad friendship is going to be really tiring for you as well because you think you lose some of your energy or like motivation to work on that friendship which might then also reflect on other friendship. So, you know that case is not that bad to lose a friend. I guess, you know, it's not like you have to like cut someone out of your life, but you can actually reflect on whether friendship is working for you or not. And then if you surround yourself by other people then that will definitely make you a better friend as well just because they are and that's where the two way street goes in again. Awesome. There we go. It comes down to one thing. Yeah, absolutely. So yeah. Yeah. So yeah try to make friends and try to keep your friends by making an effort and you should know that. Yeah, you should always remember that as a two-way street. Yeah. Exactly. Yay, which is why we're such good friends. Yay. There we go. I love it. Me, too. I love you. I love you nicely and now we'll get a room. All right, Jokes Aside. Thank you for listening.

Recorded live in Melbourne CBD, Australia on Friday 1 Nov 2019. Meet my Anna Banana, or as our mate Noah calls her, Annie Bananie, my newly found bestie with an age-old kind of friendship. We hit it off so well the first time we really talked that I thought it couldn’t be real. But it is. I remember explaining my idea of The Glocals to her one day after uni and she just immediately picked it up and told me how meaningful this podcast can be to the world. I will never ever forget that moment cause I instantly knew that we are meant to be. We are both in our early 20s and figuring things out, and we don’t know where we’re heading. But we know that wherever we are, we have each other and our friendship is one to be cherished forever. Maybe that’s why she just wanted to talk to me about friendship when we recorded this episode, and maybe she wanted to talk about it because friendship plays such a huge part in her life. We didn’t have anything scripted and sometimes we didn’t even know how to express ourselves, but we had such an awesome time reflecting on ourselves and laughing our butts off. I asked Anna if she’d like to add anything to the show notes and she just complimented on my writing. Honestly, I cannot express enough how grateful I am to have known this human. Shoutout to Pooja our queen for connecting us in the first place! One thing that I wanna point out is English serves as the second language for both of us, so the very fact that we could connect so well is a major testimonial for human connections regardless of all kinds of borders and differences. As we are approaching the end of this decade, it is so common to see long-distance friendships like what we are experiencing and about to experience in our own. I am so glad that we had this convo given that it has enabled us to understand each other’s wishes for our own friendship and for friendships in our lives in general. Thanks to this random deep chat like all the others of ours, we have also been able to envision our future even though it’s bittersweet to think about. Agreeing that maintaining this friendship, like any others, has got to be a 2-way street, Anna and I have felt more confident in being friends, making friends and keeping friends. As much as we would like to share with the world that it takes effort to be a good friend, we would also love to acknowledge that being a good friend requires as much as a short meaningful message or a quick check-in call. As we found each other, we’d also lost some friends and now we know that it’s actually for our sake. We got to filter our circles and reflect on our life changes, and we have found more people like us. It is such an important and beautiful thing. We are grateful for each other and all of our amazing friends. We are so grateful to be able to share our lessons with you, and we know that more friendship lessons will come to us. But for now, we hope our convo can inspire you in some ways to be a better friend, making more meaningful friendships, and especially, making that one phone call or sending that one message you know you should have made or sent in a while. All our love, Anna and Lu P/S: Hey Anna my darling, I love this convo of ours so much and I am so glad we can listen to it again whenever we miss each other, so may we keep the sparks alive, always. --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast.

The original the one the only very first it was the sixth album from The Fab Four. It was almost like a break from reality. Or was it the surrealism of all the concerts and the screaming but in 1965 in a Hiatus situation The Beatles went into a studio the studio and put together Rubber Sole it was Paramount that they did release this many albums in one year. They were looking to release the follow-up which I think was revolver of it only a short time later, which is almost like part two of Particular album as history will have it Rubber Soul was almost seen as a comedic album from The Fab Four. However, that's not how the fans took it. They took it to heart and they took it seriously because as it turns out it is full of fantastic songs. The reason why this album is so important is because it literally shaped the future of what would become pop music, you know, the whole thing about video clearly killing the Radio Star ER and everything like that. This is basically where this comes from and they've really gone in a different direction with Rubber Sole. It was a song after song list of very different different compilations put together carefully whether or not they thought for a minute that some of these songs would be forever is another discussion. The cover of the album alone was considered different but it was also considered the first original psychedelic album as well. It showed the world that you could have a pop album and an album could be more important than individual songs. It showed the world. There was also a psychedelic movement on the way and as early as 1965 the boys knew this While Sergeant Pepper's had a really big impact on the world and the future of music as well Rubber Sole impacted many musicians. One for example was Brian Wilson, which enticed him to get going on Pet Sounds it showed Brian that he could make an album. However, he wanted it to sound in the and he didn't have to follow suit with individual singles and just one one off songs from one off artists you could live forever and you could put together an entire album full of Think that you wanted to put on it one interesting. Tidbit George Martin and the Beatles always took pride in the way. The songs were listed on the album. So the way that you listen to it from side one all the way through to the last song is exactly how they wanted you to hear it. This was important back then because it kind of went in succinctly succession. However, come the 70s and 80s and the redistribution of remastered songs in the 90s and cassettes and all that. They had to change the the order of the songs, especially on cassette because otherwise they wouldn't fit equally on either side and they couldn't have the tape equal amount of course tapes are gone now no one cares being able to release an album exactly how they wanted. It was the benchmark. For future artists to come Led Zeppelin would say wow. We are so going to do what we want Pink Floyd said, wow, we are so going to do what we want and that's exactly what happened to follow it Rubber Sole without a doubt every track every moment of it is enjoyable. It belongs in the list of world's best rock albums. Well, that's it. Gotta run gotta go and buy my imaginary friend. You a birthday present. I'm gonna go down to the mall and I'm going to pretend to buy them a present until next time.

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Today's episode. We're going to start with something exciting for all our listeners because we love you and every now and then you deserve a little NCR AKA non-contingent reinforcement because you guys have been listening and you don't need an ad so today. Let's get right to the topic Behavior bitches. Hey guys, it's Lia at and Casey and we're back and it is episode 28 Casey. What do you have for us? Well, our lovely listener too narrow sent us to eight give us a rate Inge five guitars on all clapboards. Preferably on the podcast app Apple. What you ain't give us a rating of five stars. Please get to that right now. Low response effort put five stars. Send us love we love it. Then we have reviews to read at the beginning of the show speaking of that, right? Yeah that leads us right into it. It's crazy how we do that 28th episode. Alright today's response. No, that's not the word review guys. Just so you know, we're recording this podcast early in the morning Our Guest is Badass from California who is on Pacific Standard Time and actually enjoys a seven a m-- podcast. We got Meyer at 9 a.m. And 10 a.m. And we're still like can open our eyes can't get words out. So bear with us today. We're gonna we're gonna get in the groove of it. But first let's do the review this comes from Cass Collins. This was a Instagram correctly at yes, this is correct Casey. Thank you. All right. She says I really really really three really swallow. Enjoy. The Imposter podcast, I absolutely love Casey's dorky personality dude. I told you I told you everything I know I am the same way so I get her humor liad. I really love the part where you said that you have no problem admitting when you don't know questions in the past. I've asked questions and sometimes have received the wrong answer just so that person didn't feel dumb. You guys are both hilarious. 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You know, we are talking today about severe challenging Behavior. And how to really determine the function of behavior and the guests today she is so she reached out to us via email a while ago. Actually she was like, I'm a BCP a I work with really challenging behavior and she wrote this beautiful email and asked if we would be interested in doing an episode on this topic like five ever ago. She reached out to us in this in the beginning and I like that. Yeah. She was like Mitch came right into our kitchen sink. Is that a is that a saying? Came into our kitchen with it. Yeah, it's cool. I think it's everything but the kitchen sink it's fine. But like whatever I am being a dork. I love it. Alright, so we schedule a phone call with her and the rest is history. We instantly connected with her and we love her. She is super passionate about the Dignity of her clients and she works tirelessly to find the function of their challenging behavior and most people shy away from this type of behavior the best part about her. She reads Jabba. That's the Journal of Applied Behavior Analysis. That is where all the evidence based research that we are. All should be implementing in our practice is found. She is a beast or anything that you're like that is what we are already doing. I'm just trying to hold us Integrity, you know, I like to go higher and higher I love that about you. So she used to be CBA. She works for Terry Incorporated in Oceanside, California. She mainly Works across to non-public schools and one community-based Adult Day program. Most of our cases are referred due to high levels of severe problem behavior and significant need for Behavior. Intervention, she listened to the episode with Brad Bishop. She said she's obsessed with a sitecore guys, which so are we we love them both Ryan and Brad and her ability to pass the exam was in big part due to them. We agree with you girlfriend. So our guests she went to Augsburg University in Minneapolis with got her Bachelor's in a secondary education and history received her teaching credential as a social studies teacher. That's awesome. She went to Arizona State University for grad school where she got her Master's in Education in curriculum and instruction and a ba she passed her board exam in May 2009 teen so she's a pretty new bcba who's out there doing the good work. She also has a wicked badass Instagram where she breaks down Journal articles in a way that people can understand. So if you want to expand your mind and learn go follow her at always forward underscore a be a when she isn't saving the world one challenging Behavior at a time. You can find her playing soccer hiking at the beach listening to music drinking. Gallons of coffee bicycling self caring AF and weekend trips in California. Welcome to the show Katherine Gorges. Is that how you pronounced it? Yeah. That was pretty good. Gorgeous. Yes, thank you. I think they spelled it wrong. I was gonna send you spelled it wrong. I'm here. I know it looks a little backwards, but it's German. We had an umlaut in Germany. So that was the whole. Wow. It's like the two dots over the oh, oh so when my dad came to this country Chains to Annie wonder if I love hearing what people family's original name was it's like yeah, mine was sexaholic trial Avila, you know, that's like oh but now just lie outside. I didn't hear ya shortened it up a little bit. Well, thank you for that introduction. That was so nice. Did we miss anything amazing about you know, that really covered a lot of it was it was really really made me feel really good. I like to pretend I'm like the third Behavior bitch out here a lot of times. So it's really an are you You are welcome honored member for life. Okay, I love it. Cause you're doing the good work. So they save your principles. Do you mind if I get to those? Yeah, I don't mind at all. We got okay behavioral principles that we're going to cover behavioral principles fbas. We're going to talk about functional behavioral assessment functional analyses. We're going to talk about Behavior Support plans. Obviously, we're going to talk about reinforcement and Punishment because would it be a Vibe Behavior Analysis if we were Talking about those. I'm sure we'll talk about Extinction to just added that in right now. We're going to talk about functional communication training probably some memos up in here and multiple function maintain behaviors, and I'm sure we'll have more but that's a nice start for you to get you all hot and bothered and excited for this episode. So without further Ado Casey, let's go. So Katherine. I want to start off. Can you just give us a little background on what you do? Like, I know I covered that where you work but like Tell the people what you do every day. Yes, so I am a board certified behavior analyst as you mentioned and I work for three different day programs within a non-profit agency. So that includes non public schools, which essentially just means that districts can refer students to us. And that's also one Adult Day program, which is community based. Also the Regional Center in California refers clients to us. If individuals cannot or haven't been able to demonstrate success in a sort of typical Adult Day program with a 1 to 3 ratio. We have an enhanced Staffing ratio. So what anyone in the non-public schools, there are like one of the non-public schools is all one to one. The other one is a mix of 1 2 1 1 2 3 1 2 9 and then the adult Day program is 2 to 3. So it's enhanced all around from there. I do a lot of functional Behavior assessments. Obviously right and and behavior intervention plans, but I also get to really do a lot of Staff training I get to work with certified special ed teachers. We do like clinics every two weeks with the special ed teachers where they get to talk with me about their entire caseload of students and we just kind of run through any behavioral troubleshooting that needs to happen. I kind of oversee our assaultive Behavior safety training. I have Behavior specialists in each of my That also oversee that training and they are Trainers for you know, any kind of restraint or containment that we train for our agency. So we have to really consider all the ethics and the educational codes and state laws and things like that, obviously. So there's a lot that goes into it. Sometimes it's just Consulting, you know, I go to meetings I go to IEPs, I consult with directors and all kinds of people. So there's a lot of different roles I get to play Well, they are lucky to have you and it's like how you talk with your hands. I know right? So you are the first Behavior bitch welcome. We love it. So I know we talked on the phone. We talked a lot about like different types of challenging behavior that you've seen and what do you think and again respecting all Dignity of the clients and you know, no violations here, but what are some of the hardest are most trickiest challenging behaviors that you have maybe come into contact with You know for me the most difficult ones are behaviors that have sort of been functionally misdiagnosed, right? So you see a behavior and to topographically it looks like rituals, but then you do have functional analysis and it turns out it's maintained by attention or it turns out it's maintained by you know, somebody like physically blocking that kind of thing and so topographically it looks like some other kind of function. It's actually maintained by something else. So that could include any kind of weird Behavior. Right? It could be self-injury really extreme self-injury. It could be fecal smearing it could be, you know, I've seen a lot of nudity things like that and I think talking about these kind of odd and extreme behaviors. It's not to really sensationalize them. It's to really bring light to the fact that a lot of people families individuals are out there dealing with this and I want to make that kind of clear like this is not to say hey these behaviors are weird. Let's let's laugh about it. It's really to say, you know, a lot of these individuals are not. Our kind of kept behind closed doors and we should really be including them in our conversations about inclusion about quality of life about dignity about behavioral treatment. I totally agree with that and I think another thing aside from just sometimes we see a behavior topographically you're like, oh look, they're doing pretty quote unquote typical signs and it's for attention. They're looking at me right after right and smiling or something. So you think it's attention or you get a new client and they've already been you're ready. Give given the client with the said function, right? And so that's why it's really important for us to practice philosophical doubt or a healthy skepticism, right and say let me go in and look at this again with the new set of eyes do a functional analysis and see is this really what's maintaining the behavior. Yes, exactly. Philosophical doubt is like one of my favorite Concepts like it's just it's something that drives me I think in life not just my practice as a behavior analyst but when you're dealing with kids whose problem behavior is so extreme somebody in that kid's life is in crisis, whether it's the kid themselves or the family member who is may be afraid of their child's Behavior or you know, the school teacher who is just like at their wit's end doesn't know how to serve this. Vidual and I think that practice of philosophical doubt of always saying hmm. How can we look at this with a different angle? Are we sure that we got this right? Let's try let's try this. Let's look at the data. Let's make sure you know, I think that is so important in terms of treating the population of kids with really extreme behavior. And I think that a lot of people again like I had mentioned in the beginning when there are these extreme challenging behaviors, it's scary and people don't want It really take another second look at it because they're scared and that's no fault to anyone. But the point here that I know you're trying to make is that these are the ones that need the help the most and need to be understood right? I'm reeling on this. I went to the Greg Hanley Workshop yesterday guys. Wow, so exciting the mind blown I've learned so much and it was perfect timing for this podcast because I know we were talking about functional communication training functional analyses all those things and what he said, he said these these clients are the ones that have a fire inside, right? They have a firing and those are the ones that we need to figure out what their fire is. What is their motivation or true? Right? Yes. It's so true. I see like doing sort of classroom observations and school observations. You you see this like perception that a student who is engaged in severe problem behavior is unable to learn right? There's this idea that somehow Behaviors like so behaviors impede learning in the typical sense, right? That's sort of how we classify them. Like, oh, it's socially significant. It's impeding learning but that does not mean that somebody is unable to learn and when you watch and observe somebody engaging in severe problem Behavior, it's clear that they've been learning a lot of different contingencies, right they've learned exactly how to get what they want through their problem behavior and its really like I stand and watch kids and I'm like they are watching everyone else's Behavior. Of Eur shaping the behavior of those around them and really finding the best way to meet their own needs and I had give so much respect to them. I'm like, these are a little Junior Behavior analysts out there sometimes like watching everybody's behavior and really, you know, making sure that they get their needs met but that just you know problem Behavior does not mean someone cannot learn. I think we get so caught up in like, oh, they're just engaged in behavior all day. There's no time to teach. It's like yours you shouldn't worry about you know, You shouldn't feel like problem Behavior prevents you from running a program. The program should be run to deal with the problem Behavior, you know should be shaped around that behavior. Absolutely those teachable moments and you posted something on Instagram. If they can't learn the way we teach we teach the way they learn guys. It's up to us to change the way we teach right exactly. I have a mentor who comes in discusses, you know, he comes every two weeks and consults with us. That Terry and something he says is like let's say that you have a kid who's coming in the door and they're engaging in problem Behavior, like whatever it maybe maybe they're getting gauging in self-injury every time they walk through the doorway of the school. And there's this sense of like, oh we can't get them in the school to teach and get them to learn the learning should be happening right there where the problem behavior is happening. You should bring your learning to wherever problem behaviors happening a problem behaviors happening in the bathroom. That's where you bring your Program right that's where you're doing your teaching because that's what that is. Yeah. It was amazing. That's like I've so many mentors I want to give credit. You know that this is not just me coming up with all this right. This is like so many of our teachers and mentors who have shaped us and and things like that to think of these things. Who's your who's your mentors? You want to give a shout-out to so, dr. Paul dory's is our psychologist that cut and BCD ad who comes and consults and then dr. Christie does Anya who is our like she's kind of she's one of the cofounders of Our agency she is also a b c d a d and she was my supervising bcba. So I did all of my supervision within this context of problem behavior. And you know, I'm really grateful for that. So Greg Hanley actually said in following right along with you is that when he's conducting the eska and that using you know, his practical functional assessment. It's called an Open Door analysis. Meaning you follow the client where they go like if I want to be in the room that you're conducting it in. You're not going to be able to conduct it. Right? So I think it's something yeah, you follow the learner where they if in the he even said that if they go in the women's bathroom you follow him in there and see what is it what you know, you're going to conduct it where they want to be or you're not going to be able to conduct it correctly or with any validity. So yeah, I love that following them where they need to go where they go Casey. Tell me your three top takeaways yesterday. Oh, yes. Sometimes sometimes hers. No, I'm just kidding. It has even been a year. I wish they would roll on over but guess what I'll always keep going. So the three takeaways I would say which I love is that he says that Hold on. I got to find this in my note because I want to get it, right, okay. Love that about you case. I know I know that's the biggest thing but first of all, basically he talks about a lot about how behaviors are not like the functions of behaviors are not isolated. Right? It's not usually just attention. Oh, yes, perfect. It's just a tension that's maintaining this behaviors are multiplied maintained in most cases in a lot of his research says, I will post some stuff in our show notes Journal articles that he has written in Java that talk about the synthesized functional analysis, right? So it's A combination of maintain of functions maintaining a behavior so it could be asked us to tangibles. Right? That's one function attention right sensories automatic and escape and usually it's a kind of like a package of all those different things that are maintaining the behavior but the biggest thing that made me crack up that he said Basu tell why do kids engage in problem Behavior? Okay. This was his question to get shit. They want to get out of shit. They don't want to do do it with people. They give a shit about and Deuce and get someone to do some shit for them. Right? These are the reasons and I love using it. Yeah, he did. He's funny like I broke down and I love him but he was even it seriously. It's like simple right? It's really actually not that crazy. It's like when people engage in these problem behaviors, and he also talked about how when like especially like self-injurious behaviors, right? If they're we like, oh my God what like I can't believe they do that to themselves he goes Just something that mammals do this is an Autism right when mammals are frustrated or someone they scratch or they, you know, bite their selves or something like that. That's a mammal Behavior. Right? So it's not loud the autism. I know I was like, wow, I have a notebook full of stuff over here, but the takeaway big is that there's multiple things maintaining Behavior. There's multiple consequences maintaining a behavior and the the okay, so I want to get this right there a response. Could topographically look different right so there could be a bunch of different problem behaviors. It could be hitting kicking biting right and mostly they're maintained by a set of reinforcement contingencies, right so it could all be this for the same function. So when you're doing an analysis and you find all these different co-occurring behaviors, right? It's usually for the same function. So if you can treat it at the first instance of that may be the precursor is they start moving their body right before they get to the high levels of aggression. But if you catch that behavior, you don't have to see those high levels of aggression because you're giving them what they want at the first instance of problem Behavior, right? You're reinforcing that problem Behavior essentially because you don't want to escalate we can do editor if you can see precursors. Yes, and you know, but you're like let Me get this before I would say like really extreme behaviors if you could catch it in the antecedent like or like all right, like right before it's like especially when it's someone, you know, when you're working with really big clients or really aggressive or I'm like, okay. So at this point, you know, I don't know if it would be the best to try see, you know, what exactly is or like allow them to get to that point to work using, you know, like punishment or extinction because it's You know, I know like if there's gonna be a battle between me and someone who's 250 pounds like they're gonna win and a lot of these people we work with are strong, you know, when that like really strong it's interesting because a lot of it like like you work with adults, you know Casey and I've worked with adult or bigger students, you know kids too and you can't always use escaped Extinction right escaped Extinction requires some level of physical prompting or or any even with attention like it. It's really hard to put attention maintain behavior on extinction in the community. Yeah, I was gonna say exactly like if you scream or do something odd in the community people are going to look we can't control that and so this effort to put everything on extinction is not always the answer and what we end up doing is putting it on a very long intermittence reinforcement schedule, right? Which then yes it was. Yeah Behavior, you know, and it's another thing that like, I follow a lot of doctor hanley's stuff. And I know there's like it's a really interesting debate sort of in the field about synthesized contingencies versus standard isolated conditions within a functional analysis. And the cool thing about that whole debate is that it's so good for our science, right? Like think like philosophical doubt questioning the way we've always done things is so good for our science and for us as Behavior analysts to just go out there and try it both ways, but To Ultimate for me. It's about ultimately landing on individualized functional functional analyses because you really have to identify the specific antecedents and the specific consequences that are maintaining that individuals behavior. And yeah if you and I the thing I love about the precursor conversation is that he argues he uses that as a an argument to say behavior analyst go do functional analyses. Don't be afraid of doing Analyses on problem Behavior because if you've done a good job of identifying your precursor behaviors, you can reinforce that lower levels and you won't ever have to see that really extreme dangerous Behavior. So, you know, there's that article well, we'll have to I'll send it to you guys and have to put in the show notes where he writes for perspective perspectives, which is the Journal of abai and after and I think you're so cool. I'm sorry. I just want to give you some some reinforcements in a conflict while I'm listening to eat like a chorus. This is what people in the field need to see that there are young Behavior animals. I mean, I'm a new behavior analyst to I became one way two years ago, but if you want to come up on my ear, right and your freshly minted in to see I think it's really important to people in the field see like it's not only these people who have been be cba's for ever or that are able to have this love and And keep learning and realize that what you studied for the test because yeah, when you study for the test you talk about okay a behavior that's reinforced. You're going to put it on extinction. Right? But there's also further application like and for individual situations that maybe it's not the best to just have to allow the behavior to fully take place for you to put it on extinction. Right? And this is obviously further learning and you need to know different things when you're taking the test as to what actually you're going to apply I would say, you know I'm sorry. I just think it's so awesome. And you sound like so well-rounded in the field and I'm just idolizing you because I'm looking in your background and it looks like a very Zen area that you sit in over there. Is that all essential oils? Yeah, like I got my salt lamp over there and I love it. I have wait. I got to show you I know no one can see this but I love it. We have to bring our own environments for the behavior. We want right we got structure our own sin environments to a vote kind of. Those variables set up the environment for success and at the end of the day, it's all about the client. It's client doesn't matter what arguments are going on about what type of function analysis or this or that it's true. We need to treat these problem behaviors because our clients are what matter and safety is the most important thing when we are dealing with our clients. We want to keep them safe, right? So yeah, and there was an article that you had dissected and I want it and I wanted to see if you want to talk about it a little bit but but it was about how I think it was I have it in here. It was reducing problem behaviors through functional communication training by car and Durant in the behavior analysis. What are your takeaways from that like the importance of functional communication training? Can you talk a bit about that? Also, can you say what functional communication training is for anyone listening who doesn't even know what it is to say what it is so functional communication training and especially in that article in 1985 Condor and that's when they really started to define it. And they basically were at a place in Behavior Analysis where punishment was being used to reduce problem Behavior. We know that punishment reduces Behavior, right? And that was one of the main things that was being used and they came along and did this study where they taught functionally equivalent replacement responses right function. So they did a functional analysis. They were able to determine that two of the students were there problem Behavior was maintained by escape from Difficult tasks and one of the students problem Behavior was maintained by the teachers attention. And so they taught two different responses. And one of the responses was I don't understand I think was the the functional equivalent response for the Escape maintained behavior. And then the other one for attention was how am I doing? Good work, right and that Garner the teacher to come over and say wow. Look at this amazing job you're doing and the cool thing about that article. Is they isolated the fact that it was the functionally equivalent behavior that reduced problem behaviors. So the kids whose Behavior was maintained by Escape teaching them to say am I doing good work did not reduce Behavior because that one get got attention. It didn't get them escaped from a difficult task and so in you know to kind of look at the big picture and what what I'm doing and what we're doing in terms of problem Behavior, you know functional communication training is something that's now used by a ton by anybody right? It's so common, you know, even in IEPs, you have to you have to identify a functional equivalent replacement behavior and Target that in an IEP. We call it the Ferb, you know, and the important thing about that for me and what I've done what I've found and learned through through all my mentors is if you if you like let's say you identify that problem behavior is maintained by Escape so you teach the kid to say Take and you reinforce break on a first and then every time they say break you reinforce that by taking away their work or whatever. It is. The biggest thing is you have to make sure that whatever that response that you're teaching has the same effect on the environment that the problem Behavior so I think in my Instagram like talk I said, you know, if somebody engages in problem behavior and that clears the entire classroom, you know, everybody leaves and their now left alone in a room and then you teach them to say break. And all you do is take away the work that's not a that's not having the same effect on the environment and you won't really see a reduction in behavior and you you can do trial and error, right? And that's what we do. We have hypotheses. We test them. We apply an intervention. If it doesn't reduce Behavior, then we know we're missing something about that functional equivalent. It's so important to determine the function because again, if you're just throwing the kitchen sink at these problems and not conduct it conducting, you know a functional analysis A Heater assessment to really determine the function then you're you're actually probably doing more harm than anything. Yeah, you see it all the time. Like, you know people just especially with kids with autism. It's like give them a weighted vest and give them headphones and give them this or that you know, and which is all fine. If that's what the kid is really into. But if that's just your response to problem Behavior your now adding things to the environment that are difficult to fade, you know, so I really like, dr. Hanley's work. In I think it was as 2014 article where he really went through his escapades process and presented that but in that article he presents a treatment which is really functional communication training, but he really really focuses on the functional piece of it. Like he teaches kids to just say my way right and that gets said everything that they want and that ensures that you really are make your really having the same effect on the environment when you say my way as when you engage in problem Behavior, because when problem Behavior happens A lot of people are like give them their way. We don't want them to we want them to blow right? So you just give them everything. So does that same he teaches that same risk? He teaches a response my way in order for that person to access all of that reinforcement. Yep, and it's our job as we're analysts to win. They do engage in that functionally what thank you brain fart. Looks like equivalent Behavior. That's appropriate. Like right so saying my way or saying break instead of hitting themselves in the head a hundred times, you need to reinforce that immediately. The immediacy of reinforcement is so important right? Because I don't know then guess what then they're like well then this isn't working right this my way isn't working if I'm not getting what I want. Yeah. It has to be more efficient more effective than the problem Behavior and the problem Behavior has to become, you know irrelevant and I mean, sometimes we can't put the problem behavior on extinction, right so Instead we can use matching law, right if we reinforce the appropriate behavior on a richer schedule then the problem behavior is getting reinforced. Then we should at least see a tip of the scales and something else. I really, you know dot Dr. Hanley's description of delay and denial training. We've been using it a lot, you know, and I'm sure there's a lot of other literature out there about it, but we've been using it a lot in that, you know you reinforced on a continuous schedule when you teach each a functional communicative response, right? So if you every time a kid says break you reinforce, but eventually, you know, you have to fade in some delay and you can do that in so many ways. He has them asking longer questions. Excuse me. May I please have a break or whatever it may be complex complex communication training exactly. It's so good. And I mean we do we do a lot, you know break please, you know, hold on. Let me see if the area is available and you know, we kind of like delay that way. And so we're doing a lot of that in with my kiddos and adults that I work with and love that. It's huge. It's so important teaching people to tolerate minor of versus is so important. I know I did. My life is hard like hard for everyone in person. Exactly. Another great person that I kind of follow is dr. Merrill Winston and he loved him. He talks about restraint and seclusion in really Why such a beneficial way and he has I found this random like presentation that he did it's called Way Beyond functional analysis, but he gets to some of these same points. Is that instead of just stopping at hey, the behavior is maintained by Escape we should say well, why are they you know, why are they engaging in problem Behavior to escape test? Well, why are they try and doing Escape path? Because they never learned to tolerate minor of versus right and then we can deal with some of those underlying issues. Not just the Of that initial problem Behavior, right? And I think what you're talking about what you know before I got into a ba II just had my masters in special ed. Not just because that I was a badass and I was but I know I accidentally I think Casey and I both have like just used just before I'm like that is not a just it's not just to our Beatty they do everything have so but like I remember being in special ed teacher right and The way before I got into a ba I was like it's gonna be so easy for me ABA because my behavior my program was so behavior-based. I didn't realize how much more there was to learn. But like when you're writing an IEP or something for a student, they give you like a checklist of things to check off like what are you doing? Okay, this kid has this extreme Behavior. So we're just gonna we're gonna sit them closer to the board. We're going to shorten the amount of problems. They have on their math assignment. We're going to offer them breaks. We're going to put a visual on their desk and it's like just these Derek things that you're putting on there. You're just check check check checking off as you go through like this, you know as he checked through on the IEP and interventions. Yeah, but it's like you're putting these things they're not even figuring out the function of Y someone's doing it. So it's like if the problem for this kid is not that there's 300 math problems. I mean, they probably a problem for anyone so that's not a great example, but and then you're like like this person just wanted attention and the you're just shortening the assignment for them. Right. And so you're just giving you know, these other accommodations that essentially aren't even serving as accommodations because it's not based on the function. So it's just so important that we match whatever antecedent interventions were doing or consequent interventions that we're doing to match the actual function and I just think that's so so so important well and I'm sure Casey you've seen this with your adult is a lot of times what happens is kids go through school and those those antecedent Put in place, which is great when you're trying to initially reduce a problem Behavior, but eventually you have to teach somebody to tolerate day-to-day minor a versus you can't just remove all demand or reduce all demand for ever and ever because those kids become adults and now when somebody in an adult program which by the way has a lot less support and a lot less Services, you know has to say, excuse me, please wait, I have three other clients and that kid blowing. Blows because they've never learned to wait they've never learned to tolerate the minor aversive of waiting. You know. Now you've got a 200-pound individual engaging a severe problem behavior and that and it's it's really I mean, we see it all the time and they're saying my way yeah, like let's just stand there like this line. No one Cuts. I'm straight the first and then please like what's going on, you know, it's it's a huge. It's a huge issue the transition piece of it. It's so so so important we've been really, you know, it's hard because you really get caught up and just making the world easier and more manageable because we love our kiddos in our people that we serve so much we want to just make everything easy on them, which is really great in order to get that initial compliance or to build that relationship or two pair. But and then we have to start fading in, you know, regular life things systematically teaching for generalization and maintenance because in an adult program, you know, California, we're kind of lucky because we have guaranteed Adult Services through the lifespan, right? This is like not common, but it does mean that our individuals when they become adults they get they get referred by the regional center to different settings. And if that individual has severe problem Behavior, they will typically either be exited quickly or they won't be allowed in at all and they're so limited programs for adults with severe. There's not to mention that a lot of those programs don't have bcba access don't have speech and language pathology access, you know, it kills me. It really does because my brother is 22 and I'm just like it's one of these places that looked at as like the best in the community and I'm not saying names of anything but it's just like I know that they're going there and it's just like a holding place for these adults to be during the day. It's like, okay, we're going to make beds for two hours or we're gonna I'll watch a movie every day or we're going on an outing here, but it's like are you actually working on skills when you're doing those things and and I find that a lot with adults in it because like I mean, I have a really personal connection with it. It breaks my heart because I'm like dude he's 22, but he could still learn you know, and learning never ends never what I see a lot is the prompt dependency, right? So for their entire lives, they've been prompted prompted prompted told what to do given a choice between Listen this like and then they're still waiting for like they still can't make decisions because we've always made the decisions for that and you know, what give them a chance like maybe it takes a little bit longer for them to make a decision and that's okay and I know it might not feel natural as us because we know when like silence or you know, the way our world is now it's like immediate immediate immediate but like a lot of that Amazon and was right. I was so busy. I had to wait two days for something. I'm like, are you kidding? I really need that. New set of pens. Are you joking me? Yeah, but like I'm getting that like almost unknown. I'm like my way. I'm comfortable silence. I'm like giving them time to process and not making all the decisions for them. That's what I see a lot of issues and you know the other cool thing that Greg Hanley said yesterday. Dr. Han Lee might my new Found Love. He said dr. Handly if by any chance you're listening. At all, will you please come on to the podcast, please? Please please. I asked Casey to ask you yesterday. And she said it wasn't the right time. So if you or someone who happens to be in near relation to dr. Handly or anyone wants to send this exact part of the podcast over please come on her soda, really cool, you know that their dramatic you like never even listened to him here. Like anyways, he said it's not like the functional analysis. It's it's actually not too. Find the function of the behavior. It's so that we can turn the behavior on and off. We want to fly. So Behavior, right? We want to be able to teach the client that their behavior has power, right? So when they engage in that behavior, we're going to give them what they want right that their behavior has power. Yes. We see you we hear you gotcha. And that's the part of if you cannot turn a behavior off, right? You're not sending anyone into a functional analysis with a 200-pound aggressive person. You're not and you're not going to do any progress it is you need to be able to say reliably when he engages in aggression and I give him the iPad. He stops whatever it may be that's just an example, but turning the behavior on and off right and he talks about when someone behaviors escalating, right? So you see these precursors. It's escalating that behavior is operant. Meaning that it is affected by consequences so it can be affected stopped but when it's Pete when they reach that National Stage 5 meltdown it is now Peak to this emotional place that we actually cannot provide any like real treatment right there in full meltdown mode and it's not safe. Yeah, they're all of us in an emergency in our cognitive abilities are not where they are normally, right? Yeah, you treat the whining you treat the aggression, right? So say the first thing is whining and you're treating it there, right? Okay, what do you need? Let's do it now versus. Oh, let's just wait to see what he does next or next. It's like they're gonna escalate right there telling you something you need to let them know that their behavior has power. I love that line. Yeah that piece of turning the behavior on and off, you know, we try to think of it a lot because you know, if you can't turn it off right then you know that you haven't you don't have all of the reinforcers you don't have the full contingency because if that if you're able to turn it off you've delivered what that the problem Behavior was trying to access or remove and especially with problem Behavior because so many of our kids are sort of outliers, right they get sent to us after so many different places have said I don't understand this kid. I can't figure it out. I can't get rid of their problem Behavior. We've done all of the stuff that we normally do and we cannot figure it out. They no longer can attend the school and that's when they get sent to a non-public school or enhanced ratio adult program. And so Us we really have to consider that like if we can't turn the behavior off we haven't figured it out yet. I mean and there are times where years we're spending years trying to figure it out. You know, we just never stop trying to figure it out until we do and it's so there's just something about kids with problem behavior. These are just my people. Those are my favorite of for yourself. When you are the one to figure that out, it's like it's so satisfying better than watching like a murder mystery and figuring out how it was before the scene because you're like I get to play detective here and someone that's everyone else like was like, oh we can't do anything for this kid at this point. We just need to make like Medicaid time to the point of anything and it's like dude and also there's like, you know some pragmatism there and it's like wait or maybe I should say parsimony like it simple. Explanation as to why someone is doing something, you know when you're like, oh, well, we went into all these crazy deep details at this mad and it's like, oh they just needed this which I think is really cool. I don't know is not simple, but it's so rewarding. Yeah, it's so rewarding and to see I mean, especially the family who's just been like in crisis and you know living you see families just kind of held hostage by problem Behavior. Their whole lives have to revolve around it, you know to try to avoid it to try to manage it. To try to keep themselves safe. They can't go certain places and to see that change or to see that change in a student when they're like, oh all I have to do. Is this other really easy behavior and I can get my same need met like and to see it. You see it change quickly. That's what's so exciting is when you do really find the function of the behavior you teach a skill to access that exact same reinforcer. You see that behavior change so quickly and somebody go from Ever it may be, you know pulling peoples hair out to access something that they want. You know, you see that change quickly and we've had a lot of really interesting experience with kids who are like their behavior is maintained by access to rituals, right or you could say I guess you could say it's escaped from Interruption of rituals to right kind of like two sides of the same coin and we've had a lot of good experience in teaching kids to just say fix it fix it. Please you know, and then we're like, oh sure you could fix it. And then we do the whole delay in denial situation. Once once we've seen Mastery of fix it then we can teach delay and denial down the road. But I mean you see people who are willing to do crazy things to access something they want to fix or something. They want to adjust, you know, truly extreme Behavior. I had a client or you know an experience where same exact thing if something didn't go his way with a IPad or electronic right? It's like like Google wasn't working or YouTube wasn't bringing up what he wanted at that moment. Like he would literally just shatter everything right like break everything and we taught him again fix it. Please fix it, please and he bring it over and you know, if we couldn't fix it, right? So say if something out of our control like the internet was down or something we were able to build up that tolerance by teaching him. What would we say something like oh like we're calling. Someone to fix it. So now he knows that we have to wait till someone comes to fix it say it was Comcast or it was you know, anyone trying to fix it or your provider. Please fix it, please and he'd bring it right over and we'd be like, okay we do to fix it. My brother knows that yeah, or we be like, oh we gotta call someone you need to wait and be like wait cubic he be waiting for the Fix-It man waiting for the victim and really that's great man. Like yeah, you're waiting awesome, man, and they'll you know reinforced like that waiting right? Because that's - yeah, it doesn't work. I'm like, I'm about to throw shit when I'm moving out. I love that now that's a perfect to be able to share those ideas. Like that's exactly what I want this to be about is like, you know, I never even thought of that like adding in that piece of oh, I gotta call somebody and we can do that with our clients now where we like we have a kid who loves to turn lights off and on, you know, and we could say like, oh, you know what I got to call the supervisor. Sure and ask if this is okay. So like hold on a second. Let me get on the phone. I mean there's so many because I think management I'll do it. All right, if you think about that in us like you don't just tell me to wait and then don't tell me what I'm waiting for or like it's like oh wait over there. It's like for what? Oh because you're going to do something to fix it. Right you're engaging in something that's going to eventually help me out. Yes, and that delay you can expand and either you can make it longer and longer and longer so that it's really you're at a point where you can essentially denied. Buddy, but you're just saying later, you know, and they don't know when later will be. It's an intermittent schedule right? Because realistically how many things are we truly saying? No never again, you know, it's rare. Yes, that's super fascinating. I love it. I I've had this like amazing feeling that we're going to have you back on the show for more amazing sharing talking. I would love a safe place for you know talking about, you know, whether it's collaborating in talking about how are we effectively Treating problem Behavior. How are we doing you no, good work. Right keeping the good work is what we want everyone to do. I'm sure everyone's going to appreciate this episode if you're driving in your car and you're like, oh my gosh. I have no idea what to do with a student. I hope we can be some inspiration that maybe you need to look outside of the box dig a Little Deeper find that clients motivation because they have a fire inside of them that we need to figure out. So yes, and I want to encourage everyone, you know, don't be afraid. Raid to seek out experience with problem Behavior, you know, if you are either an rvt, or you're working in a school or you're in your supervision process to become a bcba or whatever. It may be really take an active role in finding experience with running functional analyses with working with kids with problem Behavior, you know, don't be afraid of that population. It's such a rewarding fulfilling thing and I'm so I'm so so so humbled every single day by the kids that I work with and the challenges that they face and they kind of present, you know, when they come to us, and I'm so honored to work with a team that really like gets it and fights hard not only for these kids but to make the world better and more inclusive for kids who experience and deal with problem Behavior, right? Like we want the world to see them too. That's that's the Important thing Catherine, you're a great and I love your story and that you work for an amazing company and Terry Incorporated. They need to do some more work out here on the East Coast. I know thank you very much such a great place that you learned so much and you're happy as I really came here. I learned how to most important thing like over more so than my behavioral experience there. Like obviously I learned that but I learned how to treat people and I learned how to interact with people with special needs with with autism with developmental disabilities that is huge, you know, not treating people like they have a disability essentially, you know, I can remember who they are. It's not the person for who they are and appreciating them and and let me give you guys some positive reinforcement real quick because my whole team, you know teachers Behavior specialist Behavior analysts are education coordinator my mentors, you know, they're all out there listening to you and you are present. Do behavior analysis in a way that makes people feel included and that is so important. You know behavior analysis is for everybody, right? Yeah exactly what you guys are sharing and doing so, you know now that that's so incredibly sweet of you to say in the we don't really we didn't really realize the reach that we had and we owe it to everyone like to keep bringing episodes that are disseminating ABA correctly that are examining ABA using evidence-based research and but also keeping it real Rotten relatable so that people listening are like we've heard all the time like I feel so alone and then I listen and I know that I'm not alone. And so thank you so much Catherine for those words is so sweet. Thank you for coming on and on and we have some ideas. Thanks so much guys. And as always love you mean it. Hey guys, it's Lia Dan Casey. 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On today’s episode we have BCBA, Kathryn Goerges on the show to discuss how she works with extremely challenging behavior and how important it is to look at the true function of the behavior. We talk about about the importance of conducting functional analysis in your practice and not just throwing the kitchen sink at problem behaviors. Casey was still reeling after seeing Dr. Gregory Hanley present his work on the IISCA and Practical Functional Assessment so there are a ton of amazing “AH-HA” moments during this episode. If you are struggling with trying to treat  problem behaviors and need some inspiration, then tune in baby. We have Journal Articles referenced in the show notes that can hopefully help you, help your clients. After all, they deserve the BEST. Reducing behavior problems through functional communication training. Journal of applied behavior analysis, 18(2), 111–126. doi:10.1901/jaba.1985.18-111 Hanley, G.P., Jin, C.S., Vanselow, N.R. and Hanratty, L.A. (2014), Producing meaningful improvements in problem behavior of children with autism via synthesized analyses and treatments. Journal of Applied Behavior Analysis, 47: 16-36. doi:10.1002/jaba.106 Slaton, J.D., Hanley, G.P. and Raftery, K.J. (2017), Interview‐informed functional analyses: A comparison of synthesized and isolated components. Jnl of Applied Behavior Analysis, 50: 252-277. doi:10.1002/jaba.384 Go follow Kathryn on instagra @alwaysforward_aba Become a Patreon Member to help us keep putting out this podcast each week @ https://www.patreon.com/behaviorbitchespodcast

As we count down to the end of 2019. We enter the new decade. What a great decade. It's been a great decade the 2010s. So here are the nine event. We thought we would kind of do a little bit of a look back every single podcast episode this week. We are starting with the best 11 of the past decade 2010's from 2010 to 2013, but let's go on to our new segment. Like I said counting down. Down the decade, you know reviewing big parts of the past 10 years as we move into 2020. Now this like I said will be our team of the decade are starting eleven of players from all countries who we think we're the best in their spot for the past 10 years. Now, each of the four of us have made an eleven other two are out here, so we'll have to read out for them because they suck. Yes, basically, but Lucas, would you like to go first? So yeah, so I'll just take my Wasn't right. He will insert a graphic so you can see if you're on YouTube. If you're on Spotify. We apologize. You can't see this but you will hear them start at the goaltender then to defense and okay. Look what I got Manuel Neuer and nap. I thought I mean this one was a difficult one old name other contenders will afterwards but yeah, he was definitely one of the best goalkeepers him in my opinion the best goalkeeper of the decade the fence so we didn't really have requirement. You could have it right back left back to Centre backs, or you could just have forward to Thunders, I'd fill up Lama Marcelo PK and I had go Dean Diego Godin. That's interesting one. Should I explain it or later later finish your allowing and we can go talk about it. My Midfield know I'd the usual, you know, any esta is very popular with this decade. I did Javi and I had Conte hmm go look on 10 Nana. Nanana. I can see people disagreeing with that one, but I'll explain myself later forward wise two-thirds of this was very easy. Messi and Ronaldo. I mean if you don't have them in your best decade best team of the decade, you're a buffoon. Yes, or you just like to be controversial. Like Liam. No, I'm not that kind of a job. I have some intelligent there there don't worry and then let's start your position was kind of tough because there's definitely a few good options, but I went with Robert Lewandowski course you did. I mean polish Heritage so some bias there, but I've good reasoning to it. I think well, let's talk about your somewhat controversial players. It's all about Diogo Dean first. Okay. So what I looked at is I thought he had played insignificant matches throughout the Whole Decade. He's currently Enter he played in the 2010 World Cup and that was a huge World Cup for Uruguay. They got to the semifinals good point and use he's definitely a big part in that because that team obviously went far. They does the fact that he never won much in terms of trophies that not play a factor in your mind. He did one trophies though. He won in my opinion other than Lester big a shocking moment in football. I love this deck. That's not a Common Thread winning La Liga. Yeah, but you know Barcelona and really really huge huge trophy, but it's only one. Yeah, but my opinion he's always been overlooked as a Defender II. Yeah, I always think that he from like 2013 2014 to 2018. He's probably easily top five centre-backs if maybe top three or top two. I'm not gonna deny that one percent. I think he's a better Defender than PK and Ramos. I know he hasn't won as much as them, but I think overall he is a better player than Um, yeah, which may be controversial because those two are very great players and they have one so much more way more than Diego Go Dean. Yeah, but how I look at the game and how I see these players defend and the role of a Defender. I think oh Dean has been overlooked way too much and I'm not going to overlook him fair enough talk to me and go look Conte. Okay, some of that came on the scene only like in 2015 Lucas. Yeah, but you're halfway through the decade already you're not You're never going to get a player that's going to dominate The Whole Decade unless if your name was Messi or Ronaldo, they really did. They really only player for the last 10 years doing bits like not mostly because how decades work some players start out playing really well halfway or towards the end of a decade and then Trail off towards the middle of the next one. I think I'm gold content has has shown he's won biggest trophies except for the Champions League know he won the Premier League with Lester. Yeah. That's incredible and he was crucial in that and he's skyrocketed to being one of the best. If not the best cdms in the world just want a trophy every single season as well. He has hundred percent. He's won the Premier League with Lester than Chelsea. Then he won the FA Cup, then he won the Europa League. He also won a World Cup in France and was crucial in that World Cup victory. He shown more of that. He's more than just a defensive midfielder. He's shown that he can play he can score goals. He can help you. He's he's bit better and goals, but he's not a great. A goal scorer but he's there's more to his game than just being a defensive midfielder. And I think that's overlooked too often. Now. We haven't seen him play too much this season, but I think like how influential he has been to the Midfield position and how influential he has been to the team's he has put hit the clubs and national team. He has played for I think you can Overlook that he's definitely one of the best heat midfielders of the decade. He's been incredible for you know last year when they won the premiership title. But yeah every team he's gone to including And he's been a huge part of their team. Now. I know there are several players that you could name above him that he's just a guy that is an overlooked. No, he's not overlooked but there's so much more to him that people don't always talk about and quickly Robert Lewandowski. It was going to be Lewandowski or Suarez for me. I just thought I'd try to compare the amount of goals and they've scored for their clubs over the decade. Yeah. Also it is very close to both have scored so much very influential. L won many trophies in those words did one a Champions League title. I think Lewandowski was been better than Suarez in all competitions. I know Lewandowski has had that knockout round not curse, but he hasn't done as well in The Knockout rounds as to compared to other characters League. Yeah, but it's not like Swartz has done that great in The Knockout rounds except for maybe the season they won the Champions League, which they had one of the best teams of the decade. Yeah and percent and I don't know I think Lewandowski has done a lot. Offers country as well. I think polling is not as good of a national team as Uruguay even though there's a lot less people in Uruguay. And if you were to quickly give me a manager manager manager for your team best manager of the past decade. Hmm. I think there's only one answer you I got to be honest. Yeah. I'm cool. I'm going to be biased here because of course. I'm clop. Yeah, you're going club for I know you could go petal now a hundred percent or even Someone Like You Pine you You punk is the guy I would I would go for or like you'd Mourinho. He even though it was more of the beginning. Yeah inaudible. Yeah, like there's so many great managers as well. And it was definitely tough picking up some players over to David boies even more. He's a lot shot give my starting eleven of the decade. Yeah yours. I don't think is as controversial. I had like maybe two ones that could be debated. Maybe three. So goaltender I had I don't know where I think he just revolutionized the goaltender's position. It was sweeper keeper role. He just was brilliant for Germany and Bayern Munich right back. I got Danny Alvarez. He's won a lot Lucas. He's won a lot. He's won a lot Senator bakk pairing. I've got Sergio Ramos and Gerard Pique not my favorite Defenders, but you can't deny titles. You can't deny trophies left-back Marcelo for the same reason just trophy. He's not for how they played. I mean, okay, they're all very good players. I mean, you can't deny that any of that back for our fantastic players in their in their position. Are they my favorite probably not but they've won they dominate the past decade. Hmm my Midfield three little controversial Arjen Robben out wide right Sergio busquets and Iniesta. So some ways consider Robin as a he's not he's not on my field. Aware this by couldn't leave him out. He's done. Well his years at Bayern he's done extraordinary until his last game. He has been a superb player both for club and Country and yes, you know, they missed out on major tournaments during the past decade, but you know, you think back to the 2010 World Cup Robin was brilliant for them. You know, you go through Bayern Munich the men never stopped performing Sergio busquets still to this day. Doing extraordinary well for Barcelona, you know part of that best ever Barcelona team and he has to he puts himself in this Midfield. You can't deny any a sauce pot to the best 11. You can't obviously forget about the World Cups in the Euros Lee Allen and then out front like Lucas said Messi Ronaldo. You cannot touch those two. I am going at Centre forward Luis Suarez. What's your reasoning to the fact that he's done it in the Premier League and La Liga, you know he did. The ball with Liverpool he almost single-handedly dragged you guys to a title, you know, this goals with his work ethic with his you know abilities and then you know, he moves over to Barcelona. He just keeps scoring. He's part of a deadly MSN front three, you know? Yes, Messi and Neymar, of course pop up with goals, but that front 3 was most deadly in Europe and I don't think you can leave that man out and there's probably a year where you could argue that he could have won. The Ballon d'Or Yeah a hundred percent. I mean that's fair enough and I know you've mentioned Diego Go Dean for article III think Luis Suarez has such a huge pivotal role for his country. You know when Cavani doesn't necessarily Step Up Suarez is consistently there for them. So, I mean, that's my 11 if I was to a manager. I don't like to say it but I'm going to give it to Pap just what he did at Barcelona and he was decent but against a good team like I can't give it the credit to him. His team was brilliant and your hatred for peppers from the yeah. It really is. Would you like to you've been on Greg's I'm gonna reel was this great steam very different than Liam's. No, it's not the only made one different change to it. He put Maud ra Jin there instead of Robin can you read through the entire team know your Dani Alves Sergio Ramos? PK Marcelo busquets modred's Iniesta, Messi Ronaldo Suarez. So Luka Modric, let's talk about this man. Yes Ballon d'Or winner. Yeah, something like that. He has won the Ballon. D'Or, he has been decent. He's been very good over that in fantastic. He has be I don't love the man, but I can't deny his ability. I can't deny his His greatness for Real Madrid, but he did not love Luka. He's been very even when he was in the primarily he was very good, you know and somewhat of a behind-the-scenes character, you know, it doesn't necessarily grab all the headlines, but I know he pulls strings and he pops up with the crucial assists and goals. And yeah, he wanted the ball and door. He did fantastic for his country the World Cup. Give it give I'll give lukesh out. I mean I was like my eyes were like I was like Audra to really but then I'm like Then again, he's part of the Real Madrid teams and Dominator half decade and he also made a World Cup final and he was crucial. I mean you could argue Zinedine Zidane for the manager. You could we're going to give zissou to Greg right? Even if you don't like it. This is your manager. He's your man. I will lead out readout. Mr. Watts has Team of the Year until the decades our Manuel Neuer at goalie. Well left-back was Marcelo centre-back pairing Sergio Ramos and Gerard Pique. Right back Philipp Lahm Midfield of Chevy Iniesta and Wesley Sneijder going to humans and then front he had Ronaldo Messi and Ibrahimovic. Which one do we want to talk about? Let's talk about Schneider. So this one's a tough one. I disagree with this one I do too. But then again like he started out the decade and you could argue that he was probably the best player. I think Schneider for the first time we say three years of this decade. Incredible he dropped off after that you could argue this was from 2005 to 2014 15 hundred percent one of the best players, you know club and Country World Cups Champions Leagues brilliant, but he dropped off. Yeah that went to Gala tosser. I when the Galt House reyne 23rd Channel got us - went to nice want to Alka he dropped off and I mean I understand rewards is coming from he was a very good player. I just think for a this decade. I don't think he was the best midfielder. But if he won the World Cup That season that would be probably one of the best. I think here's of a players. However deserving of a Ballon d'Or That season he did so much for that team that inter trouble winning Squad such a crucial team, but he still misses out to mess around although right. I mean, you can't touch those three players have and yeah. Mention something to second. But what about Ibrahimovic? What do you think about this one again? I think he's a guy that's dropped off. I mean yes over this past decade. He's behind some of the biggest clubs in the world. You know, I mean, it depends how you rightly gun because he's he spent some good years in yeah with PSG and he definitely dominated he even has stand named after him. And yeah, he's great at PSG. He was okay for them in the Champions League and he's great for AC Milan in the early part of the decade. He it was that's a crucial nurse scudetto victories and when he left and Thiago Silva laughter, you know, he is at 34 now when I say 30, I think it's 34C 38 Jesus, but he went back to Europe. No, he's done his thing in America with the LA Galaxy. We went to go see him Legend but he's I think he goes, I'm good. I'm going back to probably AC Milan which think it might be bologna AC Milan could really use him. They could not wake up. You want a computer? We don't wanna strike dealership of periodic Ibrahimovic peanuts. I don't know how that would work. But we'd figure it out. But no, I don't agree with it. But I also can see what I'm saying with Schneider. You know, I would I choose them. No, I didn't but I can see where was is coming from? Yeah was can get you punk ass as a manager. I know he likes you and then for the combined 11, I combined everything you take it. They took some See ya. So now you're the goalkeeper. We all chose him laughs back Marcelo. We all chose him. We all chose PK. Most three of you chose Sergio Ramos. Oh, he's in there. Now the right back. We're gonna put Danny Alvarez or Philipp Lahm because I put both on there because honestly, both of them are ok, ok players have I chose Dani Alves. And so the gray walls and I chose Islam. It's a tough one on it is because you know both players did exception. Well, I think the difference you can look at is trophies. Yes, Philip Lahm one more. He won almost all domestic trophies with Bayern Munich and he did win the champions league, but Danielle has won a few more Champions likes Liam, you're forgetting the World Cup. Yeah. That's a good point. Also your fit your manager of the Year. Pep Guardiola said, he's the one the most the smartest player has ever managed Obama's incredibly intelligent. He's played multiple positions like yeah, he's fantastic when he played in the Midfield as well. It's tough one. Let's leave that one up for viewers vote on below. What do you think should I should be for the plumber Daniela Vestal comment on Euro team of the harms that we want. We want to see your teams in the comments below hundred percent. Yeah, then there's a huge conversation Point. Yeah, and then the Busquets are I think three of you guys chose them all of us chose any esta and then I think I don't I think two of us chose Xavier and that was more than the other guys, I believe because and then Messi Ronaldo obviously and then Suarez was chosen twice more than any other attacker other than Messi and Ronaldo so he gets in as well. That's not a half-bad team. I mean, it's pretty dead. It's not terrible. I mean a lot of them played for Barcelona and Real Madrid. Yeah, but then those are two those are the two teams that dominate the past decade. Yeah, that's true. The first half of the decade was all Barcelona second half was fairly mostly Real Madrid of course and and and internationally Spain was dominant as well. Yeah, so I mean, so let's talk about the players that missed out on the worthy 90th minute best 11. I know I had my Our I had my honorable mentions. I had Philipp Lahm Savvy, but let's focus on goalkeeper first. Okay, so could a Casillas that you could see is World Cup winner Europe winner. Yeah. He did Trail off in around the middle part of the decade in didn't really play for you play for Porto afterwards. Yeah. I don't know. It's kind of sad end to his Real Madrid career represented. I how great of a keeper I say kind of like if this was like mm five to 2015 he for sure it gets in there. No doubt about that this case I think Moyer was neither was playing for Germany that in the World Cup for 2010. No. Yeah, I think more than his plate in order to revolutionize the goaltender. Yeah that too the sweeper keeper the attacks that he created for Bayern and Germany were just incredible, you know, he was at the halfway line. Well, most goalies are on their goal line, you know like yes, it's a little insane, but you love to see someone just come and try Something different, you know what other goalkeepers you think could be considered for this? David Hale was definitely time to hey was decent. Yeah, I mean but oh later on in the decade was not the beginning don't want some primarily Snow Yeah hundred percent because we kind of we mentioned the goalkeepers that are at the top of the level right now because Victor Valdes hmm, I'd say Casillas over here. I think you see it. Yeah. I mean he played for Spain. Yeah, and then also like like if you consider the best goalkeepers right now Alison, I'll block those type of guys are doing much of the first half of the decade because they were very young. But maybe they're guys that will be on the list 10 years a hundred percent. I also had you want to go defense. First of all, look at the funky. I had Philipp Lahm. Like I said, he was up for debate. Who else would you like to toss in there? O que é knee chiellini? I think he's been dominant in you vase. Mmm. Is it seven-year span of scoota toes all the goalkeepers bouffant before we move on the before. I know you think he's overrated. Dated but I disagree with him. I think he's if he had won some trophies. He's won a lot of trophies important trophies. If you won the Champions League, you could definitely woke up. I don't say that's not an important role for you. But we had a Champions League in there. He's in there. I mean that World Cup was last decade though. That is true. If you want a chair is like in this decade you could definitely debate about him and Neuer you seem like he's like a fine wine, but most Italian people. Let's be honest pure. Hello Mike, but Yeah, the fenders are killing me. I believe you should totally agree godinez a shout, you know, he's been great for Atlético. Would you consider vintage or not enough for you? I love vintage and it's just my kind of Defender just a hard tackler. But when did he really stop playing for United though? It was earlier on the feel like it was like it was like right after Ferguson and his kind of started Trail off. So, I mean you're saying for the third of the last decade he Wasn't really there. I say more than half a decade. I like he left Manchester United in 2014. Exactly. So like an inter wasn't that good. You can't really toss them in there. Anyway. Yes again, if it's 20, it was 2005 to 2015 a hundred villages in there for me, then you can about John Terry if he's definitely yes some good years in the back here. I didn't think about John Terry, but buddy, he slept he still want a champ all he didn't play any chances when he was there though the full kit wanker. You voted us very unique player outside the pitch. But yeah, very great on it. And he retired in 2017. I know you retired in 2018. Actually, he's a player that definitely being the conversation but I think he misses out to some of the bigger. Yes, you definitely like he had some fantastic years and that kid though left backs. Maybe Alaba maybe Jordi Alba. I don't know there's there are sellers want a lot. That's the reason I think most people put them there. I'm trying to thing because Jordi Alba is a shout. He's part of some great team David. Alaba has been around long enough. I mean, he won the chair. He was part of the Champions League winning team. That's true as true. But I feel like he hasn't been as yes revolutionary not revolutionary, but he hasn't Stood out as much in the last few seasons compared to the other full box, which make it maybe makes us forget about some of his great Seasons. Well, obviously, he does stand out in other ways like yo ass is a fantastic life back and you can he's very versatile as well. And also these tasks free kick on him unbelievable. Any other Defenders though. You have too many. I don't know you let's see. I'm trying to think there's there's definitely one of my head. I don't know as we wanted Midfield. Okay, if you think about them you can shout them out. My Midfield honorable mention was a Yaya Toure. That's a good one because I think a lot of people just forget how great he was from an City. He was brilliant man city, you know, he was part of this new team is you know, how lots of money and he was there for winning Premier League's he was there for, you know, not Champions like that team can do Champions like but he was there for Moments for this team, you know and he's a player that I think played a role that was a bit forgotten about in a sense. Yeah, I mean not wrong there. You're so good when he's the Premier League man. He was good then other guys, maybe you could consider would you consider Lampard and Gerard or um, I think their name has to be has to be tossed in there because they were brilliant. But again, I think that would be a player from 2000 to 2005 to 2015. Teen, you know, they had the first half of the decade. They were Unstoppable second half of the decade they tailed off and then I bake towards the middle. They tailed off they move into coaching roles and a few more. I got a few more in my head Shrine Steiger very good very good for club and country won tons of trophies and was loves ya was really considered putting you in there spicy didn't actually / / do you want I don't want truck was is an honorable mentions to put them in I maybe I know another one that could be Did we mention a lot of Spanish midfielders? But what about jobby Alonzo? I think Javi Alonso. Yeah was has honorable mentions. He had moderate Robin Dani Alves Lewandowski Ribery and Conte get to rebreathe in a second. But yeah exactly Alonso like he not only did he do great for Real Madrid. And now when he won the Champions you got they were looking for the tenth one La Decima. He also won the World Cup Euro. He also played for Bayern Munich and was she went to Bayern Munich and ever thought maybe just kind of like past his best. Is brilliant at Bayern Munich, he just reinvented himself and you know saddle further back and just with a ballplayer. It was fantastic to see that. Yes. He was always a ball play midfield, but he was just he sat back and let the ball do the work is great to see you. Yes, nothing one guy that I feel like it was people forget about very important player in pep. Guardiola's Bayern Munich hundred percent. Let's see any other ones. I can't really I can't really think of any for you think primarily. I mean who was dominant this decade in the Premier League, man? The city Chelsea, you know, Michael Ballack. That was too early on Molokai looks great Claude makélélé that was too early on. Yeah, that's more last step. Yeah exactly. If we I'm trying to think like Bundesliga try and shag her. Yeah. I mentioned that one. I just It's such a tough one because like you might you feel like you're going to be forgetting someone you look at like Manchester United who who who is their best center midfielder for the past handful see? I mean, it's Greg's getting gigs was gone early on its goals, but he collapsed came back. Well, honestly, it's really tough of and Michael Carrick you wasn't terrible but no no and then Syria pure low. Yeah, we mentioned him earlier parallel Villalobos going to forget about Andrea Pirlo. Yeah, he's a buddy. I think he's a bit earlier on in the decade know when you he leave aventis. It was earlier than you think see he left 2015 exactly but it's still half a decade of Great Performances too early on no. I don't agree. He went to New York that was in 26,000 If he if he had gone from from Juventus to Sevilla. Are you still playing New York City is a shit. I think I think people should be considered. What about like Vidal as well Arturo Vidal? Yeah. I don't do without it for events is was crucial was a crucial part of that Midfield was played for Bayern was crucial part of their team for many years. He won the Copa América. He was part of the Copa America winning teams. I mean for chile, which first major terms they want to know how long time in yes, he was influential. I see I don't think he was deserving to be on a list with Iniesta and Javi. I mean that's fair enough. I still think he's good. I'm not going to ever say is not goodbye. I think it's a bit of a shout for I wanted. Put them in my top 6, but neither it's called forward Lucas. All right, like we said we all had Messier novel. You cannot touch the two of them. They have been the most dominant players for over a decade thing that ever has been kind of thing. I don't think you'd ever talk about player prior to Messi Ronaldo who control the decades it's gonna be interesting like next decade. Well, these guys are going to Trail off. Maybe maybe they'll have a good few more years, but there's going to be different players on here that's going to dominate the decade that Say yeah Sterling. Yeah, I mean Sterling's been good the past few seasons, but you want to consider him on this list Franck ribéry. Yeah, he could have won the Ballon d'Or one sees that was it. It was the year. They won the Champions League hundred percent from Caribbean area and Robin to me go hand-in-hand just Dynamic players. Absolute fantastic Wingers. I put Robin just because of making the World Cup final but you know friends, you know when Ribery was there. They didn't do much and you end up retiring for the national team and I think I don't know if it's after the 2014 World Cup or the 2016 Euros. Yes. He's one Champions Leagues. Yes, he's on met many Bundesliga titles. Yes, he is still playing with your Tina. He's been really good over the whole time has been very good. I represent. I think he's someone who's overlooked again because of Messi and Ronaldo. Honestly you your held such high standards that he's these players were outstanding are while they're not Massey. I don't like where's the schneid? Better he should have a Ballon d'Or, but he didn't because there's a man named messy. You know, it's just it's incredible to see but can't deny that all other that Luka Modric is on the broke that how how voter fatigue don't agree. I gotta be honest top but others attackers, you could consider all about Aguero we grow has been brilliant from NCT potentially not as influential with this country, but He's been brilliant for that brilliant facility another one that hasn't been as influential for his country Benzema. Again underrated goal scorer we talked about that a handful of weeks ago. It's on our Tick-Tock. Make sure you view that one anything about Benzema though. Yeah. I saw that. Yeah, he's pretty much some French the French football president said about him that he has his career with France is finished and Benzema said if you think I'm finished, let me play for one of the countries for which I'm eligible and we'll see ya even though he has 81 caps her friends. I don't think it's gonna happen, you know. See of Benzema guys play for another international team all cheer. Yeah. We'll see but I won't happen. I don't think no but he is a good player and he won three Champions Leagues with Real Madrid was a four for four and yeah, he did. Well with friends he is part of the World Cup squad. I mean you didn't really do all that much but he was there and he's banned from the national team pretty much that's okay secret bad, but it's bad. Yeah other Strikers he could consider he wounded break me. But I think it was murdered on his record for most goals in a serious. He's okay. It doesn't put him in the decade 11. Okay, it doesn't but you you had some great season so you goings good. He's not Lewandowski or Suarez. Good. Okay, everybody. We're all good. Would you consider Rooney Wayne Rooney? Of course, he scored a bucket load of goals for Manchester United and England, but he did tail off dramatically in this decade. first half of the decade he was he was one of the biggest names in football, you know, you talked about him going to Real Madrid for like three hundred thousand pound a week. I remember that when I was a discussion. I was like guys what is happening here Duane Rooney the man looks like Shrek but now I mean Wayne Rooney he's in the conversation. But again, I don't think he'd be too Lewandowski or Suarez. I think those to solidify that that that spot. Let's see any other honorable mentions of I can't think of money. I mean Ibrahimovic is an honorable mention to me. I think he tailed off Mario Gomez had a few good years. So they're sad career. Where did he go guard? What happened to Mario? You were so good. I don't know. It's no I'm sorry. There's two centerfold words are able to have that spot. You could maybe fit AG world who but agrerro. All right here right now is all I think of yeah, it's ass as staggering if we're missing anyone in our Honorable Men. Engines are on the 11th. Comment below love to know how dumb we are forgetting some players and yeah, give us your 11 as well. Give us your love and give us your managers will give us ideas for us to make videos for the decade. That was you know, we might look back at biggest moments of the decade, you know, biggest games biggest disappointment. There is Disappointment field player flops player Superstars. We're going to go through it all, you know, we have weeks until the year is done. We want to know spend at least Podcast maybe every might miss one or two here or there but that happens but we want to spend some time on Egypt podcast to discuss this and to break down different points. We want your discussions in the comments. We want your ideas get involved. This is a conversation. You are a part of it. I think that wraps up this podcast though. It's been a long one. I gotta say I feel like we've been here forever. Yeah, we really have and it's only just two of us. Yeah, but for myself Liam from Lucas Greg and was We Appreciate You tuning in. Thank you for Seeing and listening make sure you're subscribed hit that red button and the bell. Yeah, we might be hitting 200 subscribers soon. I think we already did we did I think we did. Wow. So thank you so much for that. We really appreciate it. Keep a I was hitting us up on Tick Tock Instagram Twitter Facebook LinkedIn that good stuff is also everyone listening on the podcast apps. We've seen an increase in that. So we appreciate you guys listening to that and you know contact us on some of these social medias and let us know what you think about the podcast and what you'd improve as well. 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On this episode of The 90th Minute, Liam and Lucas discuss their Team of the decade! Greg and Woz are missing, but we will still reveal their team and also make a combined XI. With obvious players like Messi and Ronaldo on the list, will guys like Luis Suarez, Robert Lewandowski, Dani Alves and will players from Real Madrid & Barcelona miss out? We finish off everything by discussing the honorable mentions with players who were fantastic this past decade, but not quite there to make the list. Timestamps: Lucas' Team - 1:10 Liam's Team - 7:30 Greg's Team - 10:50 Woz's Team - 12:20 Combined XI - 15:25 Honorable mentions - 17:45 Previous podcast discussing Euro 2020 qualifiers such as England's massive victories, Belgium looking brilliant and & more: https://anchor.fm/the-90th-minute/episodes/England-Cruise--Can-Belgium-Win-Euro-2020---Thiago-Silva-Doesnt-Like-Messi-----The-90th-Minute-Episode-110-e9282k Previous 1 vs 1 prediction video: https://youtu.be/H4JU-k5b-qs Check out the creator of the intro tune: https://www.instagram.com/musictorri/ Check us on social media TikTok: @the90thminute: Instagram: @the90thminuteofficial Youtube: The 90th Minute Twitter: @The90thMinute1 LinkedIn: The 90th Minute Liam: @LiamPeace7 Woz: @itswoz96 Lucas: @ChromiakLucas

As always this episode is sponsored by my go to stop for anything makeup Revlon. Hey everybody. I'm Ashley Graham and this is pretty big deal. We're confidence is every episode I get to pick the brains of brilliant inspiring honest new and old friends who are a pretty big deal today. We are talking to trailblazing. Or Christian siriano Christian has been a champion of size inclusivity and fashion long before it started making headlines since the beginning of his career. His work has touched all sizes and price ranges a balanced few designers have attempted Christian siriano zhan pretty big deal. Thank you so much for coming. Yeah. So you just had New York Fashion Week. Yes, and it was wild it was wild spring summer 2020 2020. Do you like that phrase now spring summer? 2020 I just filled the seared I did I never maybe you could like give me some insight. I mean I've been doing this for 20 years and you've been doing it for this is like our 12th year to off the air. Okay, why do we have to show so early and you can't even purchase what you're showing. It's very simple it takes time to make clothes. Got you heard it here first. It's the production time. That's what it originally was for. They're basically when a store would place an order it takes It can take two months just to get the Fabrics from Italy because they're so slow. Right? So it's really the lead time to make clothes. Okay, so that's it. Now in our new world you can make things a little quicker. So I do think the schedule could change a little bit but there are some designers that are doing like see it you buy it. Yeah, but there's very few it's because it's so risky you have to basically be like everyone's gonna love this shift dress this season. And if they don't then you're screwed because you have to already have put the order. You or the shop? Exactly. So you're basically get which is kind of why when Tom Ford did it and like to khun Tin really go well because like you're literally gambling you're saying like everyone's gonna love this look, but everyone could hate that look it could be your lowest because I actually sometimes never really I predict what people will like and what they will like respond to but actually what they buy is very hard to predict it can be the most random thing in the world, huh, you know, why saw some gems in the show that I really want and need and have desired for a while. Every your front row was banging. Do you love my 90's tell everybody who was in your front? Right? So who knew that? I mean, I love that Meghan Trainor has never been to a fashion show ever ever which is so interesting and she's amazing and Jennifer Coolidge has never been to a fashion show in her entire career, which is one people missing out because let me tell you she is so major. She's like and I kept sitting on her. She's like I like this. She's like Like that like this like that like it's so there's no no BF at all. That's the best way so tell everybody who your front row was was I mean, it was random but it was like I really wanted like when I grew up I walked, you know, obviously like I'm a 90s kid. Like that was My Teenage life. So like I grew up watching Buffy my whole life. So I'm Sarah Michelle Gellar is a good friend of mine. And I was like, I had to invite her and Alicia Silverstone and Lucy Liu and Jennifer Coolidge a smile. Like little Nike 90s dream world right there and everybody they all kind of knew each other to know they because they all have work together on things like Sarah and Alicia were in Scooby-Doo Raku together. That's a kicker also. It's really weird people who have seen that movie. I judge them differently and speaking for real. We were in me and Lisa went on vacation together. We were in Venice like on a boat and the guy driving the boat was like I loved you so much and that move. And Scooby Doo doo doo doo. That's when you know, it's major. Oh my God, I love that. Oh my God. Okay. So speaking of growing up you grew up and Annapolis, Maryland. Oh my gosh, I mean small town Vibes. Yeah. It's like it is funny because it's small town and it's like very preppy and very buttoned up because the Naval Academy is there but it's in between Baltimore and DC kind of so you get somewhat of a metropolitan thing just kind of Yeah, well you left out as soon as you could. Yeah, but was it your mom and your sister who kind of shaped your eye for Designing for literally everyone? Yeah. Yeah. It really was like, you know, I was in this household. My sister was a ballet dancer and Tiny and I was always around those type of girls prima ballerinas and then my mom was like, you know curvy but like loved clothes and shopped at all the stores that I have like done collaborations way. It's just hilarious and you know get into yeah, but I think it's funny that that's How I learned about clothes actually was from her and now I like work with those Brands. So that's like a funny thing. But yeah, so she's excited because she gets free cloth very close from her and bruises around the world love. Yeah, and she's like, I'm gonna go to Monte Carlo my are you sure that you wanna send me a little check? I'm like, it's so major. I really love her. Yeah. I think I learned a lot from them and their friends like, you know, I was always around all these women my mom's friends and then my sister's friends. So two totally different worlds, but they all had like the same things. - oh, I don't look at in this or this is about my body. So it kind of I just like learned a lot. I think just by observing not even talking about it. Just observing. I love that. I want to start talking about how you dress so many different bodies, but I want to get into that because I want to keep going in chronological order because after Annapolis then it was Baltimore, but then you went to London. Yeah College. Yeah, you had an internship with Vivienne Westwood and McQueen and we talked about know it's good you work with them personally. Well, it was an interesting because like I mean obviously like I was the only American working at both places like they don't have American students know because I was like very weird, but I went to like an American kind of college in London. So anyway, but I thought and thought I really wanted this internship at Westwood and when I got it, it just was really inspiring because you know Vivian was there every single day and like actually worked on her collections. I thought that was really great to see that's kind of how I got there. Job at McQueen and McQueen was amazing because I kind of became one of the others assistant designers kind of assistant in a way. So I sat next to Sarah and this woman Caroline and Sarah was there doing every single day leave wasn't there so much because I think it was kind of toward the end a dark time. Yeah sadly but still like in the mix of such a creative world, which is kind of how I treat my office and my team now like I try to treat it how I learned from them. What was the biggest lesson? I think you learned from being in London and being with McQueen and Vivian. I think it was like, you know, there was no risk not like there was nothing too big risk to take and away like try anything and let everybody kind of have some creative voice. I mean everybody was doing everything at both places. It could be a low-level. Nothing designer doing something very important. I remember I was like Hannah application address that we were doing for a Sarah Jessica Parker for the met when I was at McQueen and I literally like was 10 years old. Not really but I was so young. I was 19. Yeah, I mean, well that was young. Yes. I was like that's so interesting that like everybody got to like actually work your part of yeah, I was actually curious about that because it just in watching the documentaries both of them, you know, you see how hands on both the designers were and that's exactly how you work to this day. And I understand and I just Burr when I was doing all my research on mr. Christian siriano, I was just thinking like that you must have you've always been Hands-On with everything you've done and then you probably got a glimpse into these masterminds and thought Oh, I can still be Hands-On. Yeah, and that's got to be inspirational walking into the best thing. I think I think it's the only way that you can still get like your kind of actual real creative voice out there. Hmm because I think sometimes as as you know in this business, there's a lot of opinions. Oh are they? Yeah, there's lots of agents and managers, you know, there's all that so like my fun part of my day is actually like making the clothes. Okay. So when I walk into your office what part am I walking into because you've already made the collection? Yeah. And so that's the part that you're obsessed with is like yeah the pre fashion show. Yeah. The fuck is still is it the drawing is it the it's getting the fact it's literally everything everything. I'm a big fabric like obsessor so I buy way too much and spend way too much money on it. That's like a problem, but I just love it because I appreciate the work that went into it like all they work so hard on creating these amazing things. So I'm like, oh I'm gonna buy more and more. I never use half of them. It's fine. I sketch every single thing still by hand every dress. It's kind of crazy. Did that help you going into 2008 and winning Project Runway. I mean probably because I make decisions Very quickly. I don't like harp on things. I don't like. Oh, is it this is it this leave? Is it now do another sleep tomorrow like who cares? So that's actually like, I think I'm just very decisive win everything. Hmm. It's kind of why I'm able to like dress 17 women on a carpet in one sees it because I don't go back and forth a hundred times. I'm like, this is what it is going to look like this like let's figure it out. You're not over analyzing or getting anxious about something because I actually think that's when it's not good. Mmm interesting and I actually think that's what A lot of like actresses and musicians or whoever aren't on a carpet or whatever when it actually isn't as successful as when there's too many people involved. There's too many thoughts and it's sometimes just when it's like like with Billy Porter at the Oscars like literally like I did that the week before I don't even fit him like that was gorgeous like it was just like I have time I was like, this is where you're wearing. This is it but he probably was so in love with it. Yeah, but was he afraid to wear it? No, of course not bilious. He wasn't afraid of anything. He would like wanted to wear like to land like sequin. I mean it was viral. Yeah, it was a gorgeous. But that's what I mean. Like we didn't think about it. I just did it and I think that's when it sometimes great. Hmm, I believe that yeah. So was it hard after you 1 2008 Project Runway and then all of a sudden you're in demand? Yeah, what was that process like going from having nothing winning having the star power and then now all of a sudden it's like what are you gonna do? No, it's insane you have Immediate customer in a second and they want product or they want something of your world and you have anything to give them and it's really hard. So that's why I like I showed a collection immediately. I put product out there like I was doing brand Partnerships like right away, which is like when I got my pay less deal and people were like, what are you doing now? People will die for that deal like, you know things that people were like kind of like pooh-poohing in 2008. Then the market crashed the economy went down my first Market Day. Saks Fifth Avenue was the day Lehman Brothers. Literally that was the day taking out to their appointment. I was like as everyone else did yeah, but for me, I had nothing to base it on. I was like, okay. Well last year we made no money. So we're only gonna do better ha ha ha. That's how I treated it. I mean that's a good way to look at it. Yeah, where's every other company was like, oh my God, we're going bankrupt. We have no sales. I was like, oh, well any sales are going to be something for me, right but All of a sudden you got your footing. Yeah, and then we just like I just like kept doing things like just kept pushing through and I think the biggest thing was like making product like we just I showed for collections a year every year from like day one the last 12 years. You've had four collections every year. Yeah. It's like so annoying Christian. I hate clothes. I just said outside. I was like, I cannot wait to like not talk about clothes for like just like three days. I'll just three like, where are you gonna be waiting? Doing for three days. I'm showing in Paris and then I'm going to go to Ibiza for a week. After are you having a full-on show in Paris? Oh my God. I know you told me this last season but like it's like a full lunch. It's not like a full-on show. Like whoever's idea was that was dumb. It was yours. I know ha ha ha, but I really wanted to like I because why are you having two shows in one? See? I know because this is a thing that we're I'm testing because I will say almost because what's happening in our world almost half of our Buyers don't come to the u.s. Anymore. And that's a huge part of our business. So they don't get to see all the work that we put into why we do a show which is the fantasy the drama the beauty of the clothes walking. They just said they just look at them on a rack and a showroom model who doesn't fit the clothes. So I'm like, well, this is dumb. So I want to try and we'll see how it goes. So sorry just coming from like a creative standpoint. What are you doing the exact same show? No, it's a little different like few different things mixed up. It up a bit and I having curve girls in the show. Oh my gosh, are there curve girls in pairs that are coming out for your show? Yes, that's fantastic precious will be there. And yeah, he done Candice and I was like, even if they're not coming we're flying them. Oh great because we have to have it because Christy doesn't know has a budget. I don't but you do your flying girls out. I will diners don't do that. You heard it here first. You have a good lunch it I'm like, I don't want to but if I have to well, that's the thing. There's not a lot of Models aren't Europe and I mean you just named three of the top curve girls right now. Yeah, so I was like, I felt like it made sense. If they can't come that they need to come because they should be there representing major. Yeah. Oh my God. I can't wait to watch. Are you gonna have it Lime Light streaming? No, probably not but we're going to keep it Chic and very Patty. It's very French. Got it. It's like I was almost going to do like no music and it'd be like super like a thing and then I got scared because I was like them people are gonna be like boarded annoyed so, you know music Does add it does it does it really does? Okay, so but I want to talk about cfda's because for so long they just weren't accepting you. Yeah, it was like, oh we just went to the cfda's together. Yeah, people were dead. Well, duh. I mean first of all, let me just like have a little moment about Christian siriano. He made me to outfits you made me to looks yeah custom. Yeah one was the one that I wore and then the other one was actually one that I just wore to New York Fashion Week and it was the polka dots and we've ripped the sleeves off. Yeah. I had no idea what went into a sleeve like now like this see the sleeve I have on today. It's a little puff a lot of work and you gave me a choice to pick which one I wanted and we went with the black. I love what we backed off. It was gorgeous and I couldn't tell you then that I was pregnant. I know but I had what you doing. I was like something's going on and I'm really annoyed right now. Oh my God, I wasn't drinking no and I didn't want a party. No at all. Oh my God. What a buzzkill Jesus. I probably wrote that to somebody like never know. No, but I actually know I had a feeling the third time when I asked you if you wanted to like something because I think I asked you again as I could you sure you were like no, I'm like you're like over me asking you so I was like, okay. I was like if you could hand me another role that would be great. Yes. Definitely. Okay, so we just had a fabulous time but everybody there was drooling over you drooling over. My look looked amazing, but this is not how it's always been. Yeah, I mean I think in the very beginning I actually only applied once and wasn't accepted and then I didn't apply the year after because I just was like I don't care that much. What does it mean to a designer to be in the cfda's it means different things for everyone I think because it depends on what you need for me. I just really kind of like really just honestly just wanted to be a part of like a good group of designers that were. And great things in the world, which I think is what the cfda is for. It's like to celebrate all these designers that are doing great things out there because it's not every American designer but it's a good really really good group. So yeah, that was it. I just wanted to be a part of it in some way. I actually didn't really even know what they did and I needed a little bit of help in the beginning because I was like am I doing the right things and things like that, which I think they're great at mentoring. They also enhance so, is that what they do? They yeah, they help you know, it's like Can call will answer an email if you email him and say like do you think this is right and he'll answer and I think that's pretty amazing. It is I think that there's a misconception with people being in the fashion industry that they're cold and mean and they don't want to help people but I think that it's a conversation that people should be having is like there's so much that people want to do to help the Next Generation. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's more so now than ever. I mean, I think early early on 2008-9. I think the industry was quite closed off I do. Do I do kind of agree but now I think it's very different because if we don't support each other we're not going to survive. Yes at all. Like the industry is going to fully like implode because clothes are really just not being sold as much as they just not it's just not the same game anymore. It's like we have to support each other we have to yeah, and and that's everything that's models. That's hair and makeup teams. That's everything like or else like the whole creative kind of business. It's kind of gonna die. What do you think that you have to do to keep up? The times I think you have to be like very very optimistic and open-minded about every single thing every project what will lead to something else because it didn't used to be that way. It used to be like, oh you could never do this, but now it's not the case anymore which is like which is like where we're sitting and doing this show right now, right? This would not know model would have ever done this never also an amazing no designer would have ever had a line with Payless. No or lame Brian. Oh tell me about this collaboration. Um or anything or done lots of things. I was literally 22 years old and Payless was like I want to offer you this amount of money to be a shoe designer and sell millions of pairs of shoes. Was it seven figures? Yeah. Okay good. I just wanna make sure hello and I was like, I'm gonna cry like well one my mom was like you take those. Damn. I don't care what the hell happens. So the one like but it's true because you're like why would a guy like a 22 year old say no to that. I'm like get I get to be a shoe designer. I get to sell shoes around the world. Like it's a global huge billion dollar company. That would be weird to say. No. I've never been designed shoes before they were like, hey, here's a collection do what you want that's really doesn't happen. So that was like I took it as like wow, this is really cool. I'm out of college. I just graduated and they're offering me this so I didn't think that that was strange to say. Yes, and I still don't because I think people now if they listen to how I explain it, they're like, oh you're right. There's so many designers. I think that Would wish that they could go into mainstream? Yeah, but I think that there is still a misconception where there may be some designers who are like. Oh no if I go mainstream then I'm lowbrow. What's the balance for you? I think the balance is making sure at least at my other part of the collection is still fantasy dream like aspirational. I mean, we're still doing Red Carpet. We're still make I still make clothes that maybe nobody will ever wear but that's okay because that's what I like to do. And that's how you balance the both. I mean what you have done is you have literally brought in everybody from a size zero to a size 24 26 28 28 on your runways made clothes for them. How hard is it to manufacture clothes in every size? I mean, it's definitely harder. It's not the easiest job and that's really just because the process is longer. It's like you have to fit your clothes on multiple sizes. Before you actually produce them which a lot of branches don't want to do because they don't want to take the time or the money and the resources. So yeah, that's it. But it's doable we do it and I have a small team. So so that hard now, why do you do it? I think really I was doing it because people were annoying me because they kept saying my clothes were four models and I like didn't understand what that meant and was like we talking about like they'd be like, oh only models can wear those clothes and I was like, well, that's not true. You're annoying. So I was like well that I'm Show you that like these are my new models and they like are curvy and cool interestingly. Why did it just because people were judging you on who was wearing them? Yeah, and then these celebrities just came out in and then that will and that actually that was first because I will say like my very first few years in business. I was dressing like everyone I was doing no you were dressing everyone everybody and they all were different like I was doing Oprah was doing like I mean whoopee was one of my first people I dress I was doing Rihanna like everybody and they all were curvy girls, but that was just like I thought was who was asking for clothes when I was doing all my research and me and my writer were coming up. It was like all these fabulous women of color and black women that you have just been dressing. Yeah for so long growing up in Baltimore City. We're like kind of the opposite where I was more than minority because I went to a school with mostly black kids. So it just was normal to me. I don't know. It's like cultures Collide and in some I think that's what's kind of beautiful like about our world. I I totally agree and I think that Justin Racing each other as who we are we are. Yeah hansung the beauty. Yeah, I love that. Yeah speaking of amazing black women Leslie Jones. Yeah on your have you ever hung out with Leslie only at events? Okay. Well jeez snack is level. I mean she's amazing and she's incredibly kind so she was hooting and hollering at one of your shows and got lots of pressed last show spring 2020. All right spring/summer 2020 gosh, that's a mouthful. I was hooting and hollering. Yes. Yeah, feel like you who didn't holler at a Christian siriano show because of the diversity. Yeah because of how fun the show is and because the fashion is just so like over-the-top and fabulous. Yes, I think at my show you're seeing some things kind of you're like, oh like you're not really ready. I think because I just like make things that I like I'm just inspired by so if it's a feathered thing who cares, where do you pull your inspiration? And I know this is a question that all designers get now, it's Where it's the most random things like it really is like I could design a whole collection just buy this room like the fabric around that is circular and like could be an interesting shape. But you know, whatever like I love like the opening of the light behind you like that like that shadow could be really cool like anything I think can be inspiring. I'm good at also like giving critiques which is why I'm good on like the new version of the show because yes because I see anything I think can actually be interesting. You just have to figure it out. So you are on the new season of Project by the way, I'm talking about that. I just what we are going to talk about it because you brought it up. I know it's your fault buddy. So not only did you win in 2008, but now the new reboot you came on for their first season and you're about to start second season. We already filmed it. How does it feel it's fine. It's whatever. Oh, it's great. It's great. Honestly, it was really weird the first few days. It has to be. Yeah, of course and it was more strange to be honest not even because of the show because the producers are the same from my season. So what's different now having been mentored by Tim Gunn and now you're the mentor? Yeah, what what one I'm the boss which is exciting before I had zero dollars and was just being yapped at and Tim came into your room. Exactly. And I mean you lived in a closet I said I lived in a closet like to pull your mattress out of know. I have like true Madonna story. Like I lived in a walk-up just like Madonna on East forth between A and B, just like Madonna in A five-floor walk-up. I think we stayed in the same apartment. I really do till this day. I do know this story. Did she have to put her mattress in like a cupboard? He had a out every nozick bedroom. Oh my God. No, it's not crazy. You are MoDOT. Wait, huh? Madonna's that you I know but back to Project Runway. It's really great. I actually think that they get so Such more real advice because I'm a working designer like in this business. So, you know how the show goes and not even that honestly. I actually don't even really think about the show anymore when I'm with them. I really really treat them like my own team in my office like they're telling me they're sitting there playing. Okay. This is inspired by Beyonce and she's gonna wear that some like well, I just dressed Beyonce last week. She's not wearing that like, I literally give that they'll be like, oh, this is Ariana and I'm like, well, I literally just made Ariana dress she wore it. It I'm like I'm telling you this is not what she would ever wear or pull from a designer. So I literally give them very like real what you cannot get like there should be so lucky like I work with a lot of people so I think that's what I give to them that no Mentor really could give and you probably weren't even getting that kind of advice. No because Tim was a teacher so he was more Technical and I'm technical but also like real I give them I try to be like pretty Well, thank God for all the technical because yeah had in one year 17 Oscar dresses B. 9M e dresses six dresses at the Met. I mean you are have no money left. You're the king of I know because there is a misconception here, right? Yeah. I'm glad you brought that up. Yeah, because someone like me I'll come and I'll be a Christian. I need a dress. Yeah, and you are the one who pays for the dress. Yeah. I just wear it. Yeah, so so talk about Out what the worth is for having the dress on a Runway or on a red car bad habits. It's to get your you know, your brand out there to make sure people see your creative voice. It's almost like basically, you know, you are our form of like a gallery and said it's a painting on a wall. It's work on a body that walks around a party. Hmm, and that's really what it is. So that's kind of been my way of getting my work out there because it's very hard in our industry to get I understand what you do. Hmm, and then it's like okay and then it's at and then now it's a trickle effect because now it's like now we like our a little bit known for doing Red Carpet close. So now we get a lot of requests all the time and it's a lot of work and a lot of money and the Met is very expensive and very annoying and I have really appreciate it but it is really hard. That's the hardest one. I think the med is the hardest is Wellness. I mean, it's a lot of pressure at the Oscars the designer and then it's a lot of pressure on the hair and makeup and then it's like whoever's. Is wearing it is the one who really gets the like critique. Yeah, and it's yeah, but it's so major. Yes and it like last for a long time and you always have those moments. The Oscars are similar. I mean every red big red carpet is it is similar it's worth it's worth it. But how do you withstand the bandwidth of just keeping up? Well, I don't know we all cried a little bit this week because the Emmys are Sunday and how many people you dressing for the enemy. I don't know but I still too many but it's so Hard because I can give us a round number maybe six or seven. I know it's like so dumb anything off of the red wine off my collection. I would actually rather be a lot. That's it. Yeah, all the rest are custom what? Okay, so can we just talk custom for a second? I feel like you are one of Melanie my office. Yeah. She might die Oh, no, you're my ass. She just went birthday. No because we have literally made seven and he's dresses and the show and Paris. Okay, but can we talk about the fact that you are one of the the only designers that keeps doing custom and not off of the runway. I do it one because obviously not everything we show on the runway will fit everyone. So I feel like I'm like, oh I don't I would not want to be respectful saying like, oh, I just won't fit you so I won't send you anything. So I'm like, okay, I'll make you something that's kind of how I fix that problem. And then you just like suck it up buttercup and you make it suck it up. Yeah, it's hardcore. Then this one dress though from the runway gets warned. I will laugh because it was so easy. And I was like, well, I wish there over like that. No, yeah. Okay. So then it's hard because then then this the celebrity is on the red carpet and then somebody could get flak like Christina Hendricks did of course. Yeah, you never know but it's major flak because they told her that oh, there's no way that a big girl should be at a big dress dress yet. I was Disturbed at the fact that they thought first of all that was a big dress that also started actually, I will say to change almost everything for everyone when those comments came out. It was the first time Time anyone had ever really vocally said something about like someone on a carpet like that everybody else eyes about their size. Everybody has always been like, oh I hate the dress is ugly whatever it's not flattering whatever but that was like really particularly about a body and she also like is them one of the most beautiful women in the entire world men of idolize their whole life. So like did it make sense that like people not men everyone women everyone, it's Marilyn Monroe. I mean really is living now. Monroe and I think that that really changed a lot you can see her breasts you can see her waist. It's just that color on her skin tone was Borgess. I just didn't understand was she hurt by that I think she was like, I think she may have been but to be honest like no Christina is like she's so confident and amazing and we did like six dresses after that. I know let's also talk about your store the carried it in my city. I mean I've been there. A billion times and you just moved in there in the last two years like a year and a half. Am I not even so what's it been like it's amazing to like literally see how like the customers interact and being there and it just feels very like old it feels like very old fashioned because we're all in one place where in this town house and you go up the spiral staircase is it kind of is really nice you can walk. So you literally you walk in a door bell goes off. Yeah, and there's a lady there who usually a lady? Yeah at the front desk and she's like, uh, And you can shop downstairs. Yeah, and then for me, I just go straight upstairs. I know where to go. Yeah, and you're usually there with a rack of clothes and would do a fitting and even though it's like on the Upper East Side. I know whatever like a lot of rich people are so sorry. It's okay you're forgiven. And now you have J HL J Julia. Hi JJ yeley, Joe. So what was this collaboration? Like Jay Jose? Awesome it the CEO left Lane Bryant and went to jail and she's Lievable. We love Linda. We love Linda and actually to be honest like J. Joe was the best opportunity because it's my first fully inclusive because it's zero 228 petite and tall in all styles and they gel is never done this before have they they do it but not like this. They've never done it full on same collection same clothes. So it's awesome. They've never done a collaboration before so all the above. It just was like an awesome project. Okay. So what's next for Christians Ariana we More to come with JoJo which is really exciting and just like building the business keeping it going like making sure customers come back season after season. I love it. I love what you stand for. I love who you are as a person. Thank you. I love how fun. This is like in your living room. I know it's like people in front of us. I know there's always people here, but I like it, but I just thank you. Thank you for being on pretty big deal. Now those one thing that we do at the end of every pretty big deal can do a quick like kind of lightning round. Yes, and you just have to fill in the blank. Okay? I'm ready. Okay, you ready? Hmm. Okay. I pretty much always I pretty much always. Oh God talk about money. Ha ha ha bad. What's the biggest lesson? You've learned this year? Oh, I think it's like cliche Don't Look Back like fully forward like I'm so over the past. It's great. Yeah, what's the biggest deal you've ever made and it can be like I made a big deal about that or That was a really big deal or like or money because we know you like to talk about yeah. Oh my God big deal. I mean, I think it's a pretty big deal that I get to show and New York and in Paris and yeah, I honestly don't know any other designer that's doing that or has done that. Yeah, another designer done that I don't know. Okay, because you're a pretty big deal. I want to know what you think is a pretty big deal. Oh I think is a pretty big deal. I think it's a pretty big deal that I think we still have to Like talked about so much about like bodies and beauty and color bla. Bla bla. I do think it's a weird thing it is, so I hope that my pretty big deal is it when it changes that will be a pretty big moment. I love that. Yeah. Thank you so much for coming. Have a good day. Love you. Love you. Thank you everybody for watching pretty big deal with Christians Ariana. Oh, and we want you guys to join the conversation. So go on Instagram and Twitter, and it has a little comment first a little message you never No, we could read it right here. Pretty big deal is produced by a pretty big deal Productions and obb sound.

Ashley Graham sits down with trailblazing designer, Chrisitian Siriano! Christian has been a champion of size inclusivity in fashion long before it started making headlines. Since the beginning of his career, his work has touched all size and price ranges — a balance few designers have attempted. After winning Project Runway in 2008, Christian capitalized on his newfound platform, grabbing prime placements in your favorite stores and runways across the world. He continues to make waves as a red carpet darling dressing everyone from Cardi B to former First Lady Michele Obama. #PrettyBigDeal Instagram: https://instagram.com/prettybigdealpod/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/prettybigdealpod/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/prettybigpod Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/ashleygraham Website: https://www.prettybigdealpodcast.com HOST: Ashley Graham GUEST: Christian Siriano EXECUTIVE PRODUCERS: Ashley Graham, Penni Thow, Scooter Braun CO-EXECUTIVE PRODUCERS: Kelsey McWilliams, Ava Coleman DIRECTED BY: Kaliya Warren WRITER: Ava Coleman LINE PRODUCER: Jess Vogel ASSOCIATE PRODUCER: Ilyssa Walker RESEARCHER: Shanaz Mahmud DIRECTOR OF PHOTOGRAPHY: Katherine Castro POST-PRODUCTION SUPERVISOR: Jess Vogel COLORIST: Marika Litz SOUND MIXER: James Sparber EDITORS: Crystal Arnette, Lucy Tatianna Morales MAIN TITLE THEME BY: Johannes Raasina, Lefteris Ioannou TITLE THEME PRODUCER: Johannes Raassina CAMERA OPERATORS: Autumn Moran, Megan Mansur GAFFER: Moe LaRena ASSISTANT CAMERA: Charlie Gillette, Julissa Ramirez GIMBAL OPERATOR: Crystal Arnette ADDITIONAL CAMERA OPERATOR: Barbie Leung BTS CAMERA: Barbette Johnson, Mary Evangelista KEY PRODUCTION ASSISTANT: Julissa Ramirez ADDITIONAL SOUND RECORDIST: Deanna Williams WARDROBE: Jordan Foster MAKEUP: Katie Jane Hughs HAIR STYLING: Cameron Rains ART DIRECTOR: Laura Miller PRODUCTION SOUND: Kit Jirles DATA MANAGEMENT: Melissa Bueno-Woerner PRODUCTION ASSISTANT: Catrina Kokkoris PRODUCTION ASSISTANTS: Masha Zhak, Adam Duplechain, Nick Kaufmann, Christian Guinanzaca, Guy Mueller ADDITIONAL PRODUCTION SUPPORT: Raquel Dominguez, Jennifer Spottz SPECIAL THANKS: Argon Props, Adorama Rental Company, Youtube Studios, Youtube Space NY

Hi and welcome to data futurology the podcast where we hear the stories of data science leaders working in the field today, and they tell us their Journeys their mistakes that Lessons Learned so you can benefit from their experience in your career. My name is Felipe Flores. I am your host. Thank you so much for tuning in. I hope that you're having an excellent. Excellent week today we're speaking with dr. Breeland kiss Hilton blind is based in. Cambridge Massachusetts in the u.s. He is an extremely accomplished that assigns leader. He will tell us a bit about his journey, but he started as an astrophysicist from the University of California. He then went on to Harvard University where he was teaching and then became head teaching fellow for data science at Harvard. He's worked with NASA. He's worked at the harvard-smithsonian center for astrophysics. He's worked. At MIT he started an international Consortium for Science and Technology doing industry research and development in data science. He's been head of deep learning at a large Healthcare company and now he's working on his own startup, which is currently in stealth mode. But obviously as you can see he is an extremely extremely accomplished data science leader. He thought a lot about what good leadership in that a science looks like how that differs from startups to large corporations. There's a lot of work and Advising in that space. I hope you enjoy the episode. If you do please share it with a friend. I'll be forever grateful. Thank you so much. Here is the episode with bullet. Hi, this is Felipe today. I'm speaking with Poland Poland. Thank you so much for coming on the show. How are you doing? Thank you. It's a pleasure Philippe. How are you? Very very good. Very excited to have you on the show. Thank you so much at the beginning. I always like to ask the guests. About their background their professional background the journey. How's that look like for you? I have been trained as a physicist astronomer. I have been an astrophysicist at Harvard and spent some time at MIT as well worked for institutes that belonged to NASA for a while. So I've been in the space technology astronomy / physics space for most of my career and during that journey. I was very intimately interested in extracting information from Placated datasets which is essentially what we do in astronomy and then based on the domain knowledge that we have we like to see what type of science we can extract from that information early in my career during grad school. I worked with Pioneer statisticians that were applied statistics ins. They did Bayesian statistics and during my time at the Space Telescope Science Institute in Baltimore. I worked what is essentially what's a data scientist today. So I was working intimately. Data extract information making that process Pipeline and working very closely with Hubble Space Telescope science data and then kind of optimizing the engineering process that is primarily data-driven later on during my time at Harvard. I was very lucky to get involved with machine learning some of the pioneers of the field and worked closely with them to implement some of the Technologies and methods that they have developed in that space particularly deep learning. I'm into astronomy and through that interaction with had several breakthroughs that we published in prestigious science journals such as nature. And as that interest was moving forward. I also had initiated a Consortium that operated in between Academia industry and government and that initiative had grown to a considerable number of scientists and engineers and we got funding from some government agencies and Foundations as well and Industry. Mindset was very different government-operated somewhere in between but that's moving quickly aspect of the industry where you can apply your expertise in multiple domains and AI is one of the few domains that I would consider in terms of methodology is domain agnostic. And then once you partner with domain experts, you can make a real impact in a very short time. It detracted me even further and I made a transition to the industry since then. I worked very closely with Healthcare. Annie's Finance in the finance domain as well as some other space technology satellite technology type of companies that develop this that sort of technology. I have been advising Fortune 500 companies as well as startups on the execute of site on how to build a data science strategy how to build a team how to make the maximum business impact in a short time while you build a strategy that will sustain the value d h AI is Delivering in the midterm and long-term. I think that those are very critical questions and also in the startup space how one can find the Right leader for the job and I always say there's no one answer to those questions and depending on the business objectives the timelines to resources the talent pool that they have access to the strategy has to be customized. So if somebody is talking about a single strategy that will maximize your business. Business impact it's more likely that approach will not work for you. That is very true. I agree. That's excellent. So definitely have heaps of questions for you around that before we jump into it though. I wanted to ask you after being formally trained as an astrophysicist and doing so much work that was data science, but before coming into I guess the data science field because you were doing it under the astrophysicists field. We you surprised at how relevant those skills were. And how transferable they were into the business world. How was that transition for you? Yes, or no. I had been interacting with the industry and with government agencies for very long time since before my graduate school years. So I was intimately aware that the basic processes and procedures that you can use to extract information from data are very similar, but the culture I think is primary difference. And hurdle while making that transition there are also challenges on the business side and the people who have been in the industry for so long. Typically they are hesitant to work with people who have been in Academia and the field of astronomy or biostatistics or some other fields thinking that in their own operations. They need a veteran that has been in the industry for 15 years. I sometimes see job descriptions and minimum requirement which says 15 years in Through experience 15 or 10 years data science experience. I'll be very honest. I think that's an oxymoron that doesn't exist. You cannot have a person that has been in the industry for 15 years and have a legitimate data science experience for 10 years that AI data science for machine learning is intimately linked to Academia culturally and from the perspective of know-how. So people who have really the expertise in data science. It's should have a link or some type of semi academic background and I don't mean that everybody has to have a PhD, but if you have been in the industry for 15 years and if you have an NBA coming from different background not engineering essentially, I don't think that you would be considered an kind of a person who has some sort of data science expertise. You might be fluent with the jargon you might have an understanding of the graphs, but in order for a leader to come up with a strategy that will not only deliver the Term, but will deliver a strategy and they he can execute in a midterm and long-term. I think some sort of legitimate data science background or quantitative background is necessary. So I was surprised by that particular aspect and culture wise the mindset of the Business Leaders and from my perspective. There were a few surprises certainly there is a resistance on their part to change their decision making process and from my perspective. There was some cultural aspects that It took time to get used to of course in I love your party from before when you said that the data science leaders do need that the technical understanding that taking Pro background. Why do you think that that is why is that the case? Let's start with the internal Dynamics. Let's say you are a leader, right you want to drive the decisions and you'll want to have informative interaction with your team members and typically in data science operations. Let's say you have one or two. He's that are driving a formal technical progress within the team. And when you have an interaction with that person you want to have an informative interaction with that person. If you are in execute of leader, if you're making decisions and is let's assume that you are in an average later. I mean, we have leaders that are very good listeners. They really listen hard to what the technical leaders are telling them. But this is in practice not always the case. So if you have hard time understanding the ins and Lots of different models and you cannot really have that discussion with the technical leader. It will create an environment that doesn't necessarily make the technical team very happy. So from a retention perspective, it will create a problem in the future. We've seen this over and over and you know when I say we've seen it I I mean I have been working very closely with tens of Fortune 500 companies and what we've seen is retention is a big cost and once you hire the right Talent assuming that you have the right Talent making sure that they're happy and they like what they do. They have a meaningful interaction with the leadership is critically important in retention. Just even from that perspective having a leader that can have that conversation that can command respect within its team within his team or her team is I think important that companies moving forward and the second part is you want to have a leader that has his hands or her hand in the latest of data science or machine learning. So it requires that person to really read some papers. Purrs, at least read some technical reports and have a above the average understanding in order to draw some conclusions and advise the sea suit or the leadership of that company so that the company can build a strategy that can continue to produce the value the business impact that AI has been presumably producing for them. And unless you have a person that has that Vision that has Network within the academic circles or their R&D circles that are Producing that wave of AI information. It is really impossible to just look at the popular magazines or some websites and you know, the general Trends and pain debate and creating business strategy based on what's already popular. So what has been already popular means that this is already beyond the AI wave and if you want to surf today I wave you have to really look forward in an order for a leader to look forward that person really has to have a network kind of intellectual relationship to where that know how he's being produced and I don't see that happening for a person who has been in the industry for 10-15 years and basically is really busy with managing a large team and writing reports and preparing PowerPoint presentations. I completely agree. I love the way that you described it. I think it's spot-on. I'll ask you about perspectives from the other side then by other side. I mean the organization what are the trade-offs that the organization would be making in their decision? When appointing a leader of data science, the reason why I ask you that is because a lot of times when I've seen people getting too into leadership positions that they don't come from a technical background or but they don't have a strong academic background. Sometimes you organization feels like they can speak business. They can speak the language or business or they can get things done quickly or when as you said like those people might coming with the jargon and they might read a blog post. So what they in dine elsewhere and then suddenly we that becomes the strategy that they're implementing in their organization. What do you see as the trade-offs that the organization is making during that decision when appointing that later when I gave my previous perspective when I share that with you, I by no means mean that a person fresh out of Academia would make a great business leader. There are so much that academics should learn I'm I'm talking about an average a person coming out of Academia. There's your so much that would keep we should learn in terms of leadership soft. Stakeholder Dynamics, the business mindset is somewhat different. So one requires. I don't mean to an exceptional or I don't want to use the overused word unicorn but you have to look at what your business priorities are. What type of resources you have and how quickly you want to deliver what we hear very often is that when the company's charted into this territory of AI and analytics in many of the operations have failed and it created a Justified skepticism in business. That AI or analytics is overhyped there is truth to that. But the reason why analytics AI or data science has failed in the early implementations is in my opinion and in my experience out of that relationship that I had over many years with bigger companies Fortune 500 and startups is the wrong choice in leadership. They obviously had very limited resources. The number of people that they could reach out to for a very limited and they basically appointed people who have been executed. You have sinned business for very long time and day thought you know, this is like any other vertical so why don't you lead the data science operations and for them data science meant looking into an Excel sheet and try to optimize one of the columns that they see in front of them. And if you approach a i data science in that limited fashion, I don't mean to belittle that approach. I mean those things are very relevant. I mean the majority of the analytics work that we see in the industry is very similar to just what I mentioned, but if you limit yourself to that Active you will go after inherently after the low-hanging fruit and you'll miss on building a strategy that will build resilience internally for the midterm and long-term indeed. They will feel they're destined to fail and also building a culture that is conducive to a data science operations require some meticulous work as well. You cannot just think of a regular hierarchical company hire top and data scientists and expect them to be happy in the long term in that type of operation is it with You know, it doesn't work. The whole journey of digital transformation is not complete without a cultural transformation. And this is very particular for AI and data science, but I think right now it's affecting overall the company cultures in many big companies and definitely this is the case with smaller companies. So from their perspective, I totally understand why they didn't essentially at first go after academics unless you are Facebook or your Google you can afford to have an RD armed. That you know Burns 90% of their projects, but there is something coming out of ten percent of the projects many companies cannot afford that so they went after the people who have been in the business for very long, but right now we are at a time where we have a Unique Individuals that have a very strong reputable academic Roots. They are known in that world. They have a credible background. They can call themselves analytic experts. I don't mean a superstar, but at least they can talk to you about The p-value what that means and ins and outs and you know, not only talk about regular statistics, but can really dive deep into information Theory and some other deep aspects of the foundations of data science. But also those that there are as few as they are there are people with that sort of background who have spent considerable time and accumulated business experience over time and have the soft skills that is required to transform a culture. So the typical data science leader or analytics leaders until now they have been considered a kind of a cross-section between business experience and domain expertise and some understanding of data science. I'm adding a fourth dimension to that data science leader has to be a person that can transform cultures unless you have a culture Builder and that is required of that real leadership. I think you'll have just in analytics manager but not a leader. There is a very distinct difference between a manager and leader in this context. So you want Have a person that can slowly transform that culture internally make it more so that there is kind of a cultural relationship to either academic institutions or the academic progress that's been made in that context and transfer that know how internally but also when you're tapping into the talent pool that are really good data scientist, all of them have one way or the other have been in an academic setting and those people are typically used to coming up with creative ideas. And if you Overworked those people a hundred and fifty percent and there's no room for them to invest into their continual training and they cannot really come up with creative ideas. And it's very difficult to move forward on the business side again, when they are hiring not only beaters by data scientist based on their skill set. I think that's also the wrong route to take I'ma skill sets can become obsolete in five to six months, even at the mid-level data science including the leadership. What is really important in my opinion more? Then the skill set is the aspect that the person is a continual learner and a curious person in the world of data science. I think Sarge changing on a weekly basis. I mean what is relevant yesterday might be very different may be irrelevant today the leadership the culture and the individuals have to be quick Learners very agile and they have to keep that Curiosity going forward and how do you do that environment for you work 8 to 9 hours a day and that's in an optimistic. Mission and you have partly an attempt to invest in yourself into your training. That's I think disaster that will happen that's disaster kind of a bomb in the making so those type of operations we've seen over and over fail maybe not in the short term but definitely midterm and long-term and the reason why they don't feel right away is is because there are so many low hanging fruit that the managers I would call them that are taking over that operations. They can deliver numbers in the short term because data science has so much to offer but um, Malaysian or automation is not the equal to data science is to of the things that data science can do really well, but there are so much that data science has to offer for company's operation that is very true. So just continuing that line of thought besides the optimization and automation. Well as some of the other things that you see that better science can give organizations. Well, I mean internal agility can help the recruiters I think recruitment is an area that we more often than not. Not not addressing because with the standard approach to see be scanning. I would consider the majority of the real talent is being filtered out. If you go after keywords, if you go for regular resumes that have been coming within the industry you'll miss out on the real talent and for that in order to really tap into the talent that you want to go after continual training of the HR person on recruiters is really important, but also you can use some data science tools to help. Them out and I've seen in some companies where they have come up with smart tools to help them out for that transition. That's that's one area in other areas internal automation. Obviously, we talked about that but data science is very powerful and extracting information. Now, I know that the many companies are not interested in causal connections. They are looking in correlations. But right now we have come to a point where even causal relationships can be deduced from data and that requires the data science operations to partner closely with domain experts but also a kind of a diverse team can bring in the know-how and become creative with data science. I will give you one example predicting flu how that disease propagates with in Continental us or anywhere else. He's one of the most critical questions in the healthcare space at large. I mean you want to predict early in the season how a flu will propagate within a landmass and For each particular ZIP code or state when the flu season will Peak is critically important and this has been done with various approaches. Some of them is public information. Some of them is not but my team has created an approach in which we use some Physics modeling and some Atomic modeling that we used in astrophysics for for many decades. It's called the diffusion equation and what that means is what we have done for many decades and understood. Well within the Domain of physics and astrophysics is we have a fairly good understanding how molecules and atoms behave and how they propagate information and certain dynamical features. And what we thought is within the context of flu what happens if we were to think of people like individual molecules or atoms that are interact with each other and flew as we know it is propagating by proximity. So you have to either touch another person or you have to touch the same thing. So share the same proximity. Person, so can you build a model where you use that information make that approximation about population Dynamics and Implement some other publicly available information in addition to the proprietary data you have can you increase the predictive power of your models? And the answer to that is exactly yes, so you can do so much more when you create a diverse background with creative ideas and public data together. I think that there is a lot of business value. You that can be delivered. But in addition to the business value, you can also save hundreds of lives, which we've seen what that sort of modeling where you can really touch people's lives individual. Especially the more vulnerable ones the elderly and the children that are very vulnerable to flu. There is Meaningful impact that can be made with data science. Yes. Definitely what I've seen and obviously tell me if you agree or have you seen differently, but what I've seen is that a lot of people coming in to data science now that there's obviously so much demand. Brooke coming from from different backgrounds. A lot of them are doing online courses. They're learning about machine learning but particularly on the study of correlations as you were saying, so they're able to identify correlations very well and use those for business. But what I've this would have what I've seen is that the causal inference and the causal studies generally come from different backgrounds that at least, you know, it's like an Australian it's different. Yeah, I couldn't make and I've seen people like from econometrics. Being quite good and that type of study and obviously in astrophysics also good. That's why I was I was wondering whether there was other academic ones that had a strong. Yeah. So let me elaborate a little on the causal inference. Then what you potentially are referring to use not exactly potentially what I'm referring to so until very recently a groups data scientists that have been presumably addressing causal relationship in addition to correlations. Use domain expertise to make those judgments. So right now it's a very Niche academic research based on actual two or three individuals that have math backgrounds or engineering backgrounds into academic circles. Only that have been spending many years on how numerically one can go after causal inference and I don't think I have yet to see in Industry application for that research because it's still in the stage where academics are writing theoretical. Papers on it. So that's the causal inference part that I'm referring to. Whereas potentially you when you're referring to people come from economic tricks. They're looking for causal inferences. I don't think that they're refusing any of that methodology that I am trying to refer to but you still obviously there are many groups many data scientists that are trying to address that exact question whether what they see is closely related or is just a correlation and you can make certain assessments based on the domain expertise you have but you cannot Make an assessment just Based on data only until now I've is again I'm yet to see a data science group in the industry who has the capability of doing so but we're at The Verge were methodologies are being developed as we speak that can do that even though you may not have the relevant domain expertise. Just looking at the data you may be able to tell in the near future whether what the pattern you see is based on causal relationship or whether it's just a correlation. Yes, that would be great. I wanted. To ask you a bit more about the culture side. And so you describe to us the culture that should be creating in data science teams where people should have the time to be learning and staying up-to-date and coming up with innovative ideas. Do you have any recommendations around processes or continual maybe ceremonies or things like that that people can Implement in their team's when I say in a weekly or monthly basis, what are some of the things that they can do to start to create this culture well, I think I have to be Crystal Clear death culture is not only one single culture. It will depend on the culture. You already have the size of the company the priorities of the company. So when I say I don't mean you have to bring in academic culture business operations. I mean that's just overly optimistic and it won't work. But what you want to do in especially a bigger business environment is assuming that you have some of the resources to invest into the midterm. Development of your individual team members and you don't have a pressing deadline tomorrow. You want to make sure that special people who are interested in the data science group is to keep up-to-date with a literature or with some of the new technologies that are coming out every day. So what we've done in the past is we had Journal clubs we had discussion groups. We were asking individual members of the data science group to come up with their own ideas that can be implemented into the day-to-day business operations. With chosen one two or three of the best ideas into our business operations and what we've seen in return is we've created interesting business outcomes out of those ideas that were not in our on our Horizon. We didn't have those ideas. So by having individual members eat as Junior as they are and you know, let me tell you some of the most interesting ideas comes from the most Junior people that are coming from a very different background. So this is one of the reasons why the diverse team is critically important not only E4 culture sick, but from a business perspective. It's really justifiable. If not necessary to have a diverse team. So having individuals make presentations on their crazy ideas and then come up with one or two of them and you put it into your operations is some risk taking but if you diversify that risk, I think there's a lot of value in that sort of an approach to managing data science teams, very true. And in your work with large companies like the Fortune 500 Great, and then with startups what are the differences that you see in the implementation of these types of ideas between the two groups and various other things should be yeah, could you tell us a bit more about that? Sure typically larger companies. They have their resources that they can use to buffer any sort of risk that they have in their operations. Whereas in startups you want to make that impact yesterday. So when you are in a start-up environment the type of talent you are hiring both for the individual members and Leadership can be and probably should be very different as opposed to the talent pool that you are trying to tap into in a bigger Enterprise and it that will really depend on the leadership the culture that they already have and I particularly am focused on the bigger companies now if you have the vision and if you're empowered by the senior leadership, I think you have more of a leeway to take some more risk and invest for the midterm and long-term rather than Just go after the low-hanging fruit but by doing so you have to continue to Justify Your Existence to the investors of your company. So you cannot just say, you know, I'm trying to build a team that has this vision for midterm and long-term. It doesn't work that way in the industry. So you have to be also Vigilant and smart about what you're delivering today in order to Justify Your Existence tomorrow. That's right and within that what are some considerations that leaders should have when choosing what to focus on and what to focus on in the early days versus it of one or two years after the team has been established there. I'm a scout the definitely face this challenge in the past where when I was building what ended up being about a 50% team in a large organization. I remember that at the beginning in the at least in the division. There was no concept of data science and what it could do and one of the challenges then is what do you do first in order to prove the value? Lou so then you can get more resources but also have to build a more strategic plans that will that will give you benefits in the medium and long term in your opinion. What are some things to consider when balancing those things? Yeah. That's a tough one to answer because it will change Case by case again, the business objectives to operational priorities. What are they? And where is the company at that current stage and time what type of pressures are you encountering from the board or Or whoever you're interacting with but typically, you know in all companies irrespective of the size. There are operational bottlenecks one can optimize directly intro value in the very short term. And those are the things that one can go after and then identify internal bottlenecks operationally, but also in terms of the business that they're trying to conduct if they're in Insurance, how can you increase profitability? How can you increase members? Of which in return directly will affect the cost of the insurance company for instance. How can you go about those and you can prioritize the difficulties and the potential Revenue that would come with a particular problem and go after them strategically very interesting very true. That's really great approach. I can tell you that's not the approach. I took invites. I'm unfortunately where it has not been there first. I have taken in my earlier Ventures as well. Yeah. Well, that's that's Sy the voicings of experience and your reviews now are fantastic I had come from I did about 12 years of Consulting before working in housing financial services and and I started a team at a bank is about six years ago before my current job and because I came from Consulting in the first six months that I was at the bank trying to build this data science team I did lots of prototypes lots of plc's for different business heads different Executives, and it was something like 50 prototypes in Months or something like that and it was just throwing stuff out there to see what would stick and then what happened was that nothing stuck? Like literally nothing really worked. It didn't get the interest of the organization and I was getting increasingly frustrated and I didn't have that proper view that you know, why yes tell me so what we see over and over in this cultural transformation processes, unless you have leadership that shares the vision with you. You cannot build that culture. Culture a bottom-up. It's never going to work. So if you're coming in as a data science leader, but you don't have an ally or a person that already Champions your ideas within the higher-ups. I would tell you it will fail. So when people are you know asking me what what should we do? I mean, we have a board or a leadership that doesn't believe in what we're doing there in this only because there's a - they don't know what to do with it. I say good luck. You really have to patiently either educate them. And tell them you know, what will happen. If they don't ride that a i surf appropriately they will fail in the midterm and long-term. So sometimes it does relationships a little bit of Scare Tactics might work and that is a Justified approach. I think especially for people who have been in the business for ten plus years. They have been sitting in their bubble as well as people have been in Academia for many years to have been in a bubble. So breaking that bubble getting another setting of The Other Side is critically important and I think people in the business they have to To respect the fact that AI is a very much intertwined with things that are happening in Academia. Typically, The View and perspective of Academia and the business has been not the most positive one in the past and AI is not a product that they can buy or implements like a Lego into their day-to-day business it will fail and it has been failing. So either those business leader get their act together if they want to survive this era of AI or they will Obsolete tomorrow. I mean that's as simple as that and if they don't get their act together, like some of the executive some of the higher the most prominent Executives in the industry. They require all their leadership to be a i literate or data science literate and what it means is they have to be sit down and code and that's the first step. So if you don't know how to code it means that you don't know the alphabet of data science and without that you can memorize Shakespeare, but if you don't know the alphabet, you're not going to be able to come up with a new new paragraph right in literature. You cannot claim to be a disrupter. You can be just trying to keep up with the AI wave and claim that you're producing something that gives interesting results. Any person that has a Keen Eye on what's happening in the data Science World. It will take them five to ten minutes to see beyond the smokescreen that companies have been creating so true. Yes, and I've definitely worked in in Oregon in the past. I worked in organizations where they felt I know that it's changing now, but at the time they Like they couldn't buy Innovation and their words their minds. He was just like okay how much money do we need to dish out and we'll work with startups and we're work with small to medium businesses and will partner with other big organizations and well, yeah, our team's most yes and just spend until the Innovation shows up. I understand that business perspective. Let me tell you that. I mean it's one thing that X academics can you really learn from business people and there's so much that we can learn from them, but in return they have to really respect the technical expertise and The whole package as it comes it's not just another vertical. It's going to be the engine of the future companies. I can tell you this might be a little speculative but all companies will become AI companies one way or the other. So if you want to be relevant for that era, the culture has to change and you see that cultural transformation effort already in place in many Fortune 500 companies in the financial sector some domains are doing better than the others but that cultural transformation I think is T in making true that digital transformation reaches its potential very true. So interesting and tell me what the moment what types of challenges and problems. Are you currently thinking about in grappling with some of them? I cannot tell you I have been I have been very much involved in advising Fortune 500 companies and also helping out startups to get their data science effort soft around round building and appropriate team that is customized for their business objectives and timeline and operational bottlenecks and I have been thinking a lot about the leadership profile that companies should hire and there have been challenges in the past and it's very unfortunate to see that many companies are still going after the wrong profile that are destined to fail in the midterm. And when those quote-unquote leaders joined their company and fail in the midterm, they will just leave there. Host go to their next job with that experience whereas the companies will have wasted their resources and time and Dai wave will be unreachable for them. So it's critically important for them to get the right profile in the leadership positions and they have to decide whether they have they want to ship the AI and data science operations under a CTO or whether they want to create a sea level position for the analytics or data science operations, even that decision by itself. Elf shows the commitment and vision of the board and the company. So those things are critically important and I must say, you know that there's not much time left for those companies to catch up and ride it as AI wave if they you know, sit in their corners and you know try to come up with interesting strategies and are asking people who don't who are not domain experts to give them ideas about strategies if you don't cross check with From people coming from different domains. It doesn't make sense to me and I don't know how it makes sense to them. Yes, it's true. And we spent some time talking about the data science in large companies. How does that data science leader change when it just start up and are there differences when it's a start-up in general versus in high startup. What are your thoughts there? Yeah in the startup space. Typically the hierarchy is the titles become somewhat blurry and irrelevant because you have very limited resources and you Everybody to chip in at their maximum. So you want to hire a person that can pull up the sleeves and get your hands dirty. Whereas, you know, if you are in a larger company setting a person that has that expertise can roll up the sleeves at sit down and code with you definitely commands respect definite can create the climate and cultural transformation for that company, but it is not always required in bigger companies. I mean sometimes especially if you're managing 50 60 or more people it will become a very Difficult. I personally try to keep myself very up to date and keep my hands dirty. And I typically I keep my scientist title in addition to my executor of leadership title, which means I give a clear message to my team and to company that I am a Scientist first and then a leader second and you mean in my in my opinion my style without having an intimate understanding of the processes. It will become somewhat difficult. To be that leader that I'm trying to be so in larger company settings for skill sets or areas that one can focus and their weights can be a little different as opposed to the skill set that you require from a start-up leader also from a personality perspective. They can be very different from my personality as well. Absolutely. I mean you want to have a very curious Dynamic person all leadership positions obviously, but this is especially true. True for data Science Leadership. I mean unless you are a person did this very up-to-date with literature. You are curious. You won't be able to survive our commitment to respect as a data science leader. You cannot be just been executed sitting in their room having eight hours a day of meetings and then go home and start the meetings all over that that's not going to work in either setting but especially the startup sitting I like to have basically coding sessions with individual members one-on-one and go through their code. AIDS line by line and you know, I write my own code obviously but in a larger company setting that might not be always possible practically. It's true really really interesting really interesting another question about the field of sort of in general. What is it about our field that excites you? Why do you love it? There's so much impact that data science can do and is doing it takes just a little bit of careful looking into what can be done and just looking at the influx of Data as we move forward the accumulation of data and when I see companies that have access to that sort of data. I feel like a kid in a candy store just you require the right kid to go into that tennis court pick up the right candy. So we're moving in a direction we're going to everything is being recorded. If enormous amount of data is being generated and companies require leaders to tap into the right talent pool and prioritize accordingly to make that short term impact as well as building a rata g for the mid term and the long term so making that impact across the board obviously being in astronomy for very long time making a discovery looking for interesting signatures from Star clusters. Hoping to find a new type of black hole is very very exciting IT addresses some of the most fundamental questions about how the universe and two stars that are forming the building blocks of galaxies, and the universe is very exciting to me but looking at real world, Problems such as how can we improve Healthcare which is a disaster in the u.s. How can we improve the health of individuals? How can we prevent certain diseases or slow them down? How can we discover new types of drugs with machine learning and deep learning? How can we increase the wealth of individuals? How can we manage wealth? How can we make regulations? How can we prevent cyber attacks and contribute to world peace? I mean, those are exciting things. Well, I Many things that is great and as Donna sighs trust your help on those challenges and obviously with the impact that the field is going to have into the future. What do you see as a current set of challenges and the future some challenges that we have in front of us in our space. Again. This is kind of circling back to the cultural transformation aspect of this digital transformation era is I think successfully making that cultural transformation happen is critically important and it will be I think a very challenging especially for larger companies unless they change from top to bottom again. It's never going to happen from bottom to top. It's going to happen from top to bottom unless they change the culture at the highest level maybe hire a new CEO with that vision and implements that culture. I think it's not going to happen and with smaller companies. I think the biggest challenge is to get their hands on the data. I mean if You're a startup. You don't typically have access to the data that larger companies have but they have one big Advantage. There was a very recent nature paper that also elaborates on this with Based on data. Not only anecdotes is if you want to innovate and disrupt your work with smaller agile teams, whereas, you know larger teams are more appropriate for development and deployment at the larger scale smaller companies are like Surfers that have a smaller boards. They have a high. Risk of falling down but they have higher agility and they require less of an energy to write that a I wave whereas with larger companies. I compared them to surface with larger boards add are more stable, but there's more inertia that they have to overcome. But once they overcome that first inertia that they can safely surf today. I wave whereas I think most of the companies right now, there are just behind the eye wave and try to catch up and as many swimmers. I would know if you are behind the wave you have to spend maybe 10 times the effort to catch that wave and once you catch that wave, it's good. But you have to spend a lot of resources in order to catch it. If you're way behind very very very true. This has been absolutely great. But I only do one last question for you. That is a take away. But something that you would like to leave the listeners with to inspiring data scientist. I will say keep your curious a curiosity is your biggest asset and be an avid learner and the second one is also valid for the leadership. I mean unless you're open to learning if you're an avid learner, you won't be able to survive against the incoming Talent that's kind of coming in into the data science world. So so true. Hold on. Thank you so much for sharing your insights your perspectives your wisdom your thoughts and unfilled. I think that you're definitely captured. So much of what people need to be conscious of what they need to be thinking about and establishing teams in being a leader in our space and all smoke when we're gonna zation seem to be considering when looking at hiring and developing this much needed skill that will transform their organizations to the Future. Your perspectives have been absolutely fantastic. Thank you so much for your time. That was wonderful. Thank you for inviting me Philip and just one caveat in what I've just said the field. Out of data science AI machine learning is changing and transforming itself on a day-to-day. Basis what I say today might become irrelevant tomorrow. So this is why I'm saying everybody has to be a bit Learners and adapt and be very Dynamic. This is where we are right now and I think you know the approaches that I just shared with you may be valid for the next year or two. I think it's always good to get multiple very diverse perspectives from people that are both on the business side and Academic side to both sides of the aisle. I would suggest to really pay the respect to the other side that they deserve. Yes. That is very necessary the moment you pay them respect to the other side from both ends. Oh, absolutely. That is a fantastic note to end on thank you so much for your time. Thank you for sharing all your interesting perspectives the great talking to you Philip. Thank you. I wanted to tell you about the rmit online. Masters of data science strategy and Leadership. I was one of the industry advisors for this program. 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We are doing season 8 episode 3 and 4 the prisoner's dilemma and battle scars. And as always we have a little bit of business to lay down beforehand. We have the hashtag ABT Voltron if you've got anything fun or if you have links or art that you want to send us, they don't exist in the chat. They do exist in the hash. Tag, we've also got the live chat that we're keeping an eye on if you would like to be a part of the show and as always we have our brand-new season seven and eight rule implemented be nice or get out. You cannot we encourage you to have viewpoints. We encourage you to express your viewpoints politely and respectfully and if you fail to do that, you will be banned. You don't get Second Chances. Good night everybody. That's that is how this works. So for the most part, When the chat has been super great like our Tavern has some great people but it also has some diligent bouncers. So enjoy I want to talk a little bit about your guys roles before we swing into the episode. So Christine tell us a little about what a prop and background director does on an animated show sure sure. So basically I oversee a team of super talented designers and together. We kind of brainstorm design ideas off like the script stage. Age and off the animatics and so for my particular job, I oversee the designs for the all the environments that you see in the show, and as well as the props so that could be anything as small as like a spork massive girl wrote Cruiser. So it spans the whole whole thing. And let's see anything else. That's the most interesting design. That's come down the line for you whether or not you've been able to Approve it or had to send it for revisions. Right? Right. Um, well definitely making Voltron himself was one of the biggest challenges. I think it was one of the you know more complex designs in our show because he is a man made out of five robots. I mean, so there's a lot of kind of like technical details that we had to hammer out. Can you scoot the mic a little closer to you? Oh, yeah. Sorry my car. Yeah, we can hear you just fine, but the pilot. People at home are like and never had that problem for people. I was like she Christine tell the mic your secrets. We'd love to hear them. But yeah, I think on top of the Voltron design being complex. It was also one of the first big things that we built on the show in CG and so that was kind of its own, you know challenge, but luckily, you know, we had Joachim Andre you and Lauren and together. I think we really Came up with something that we could all be proud of. Is there a really big difference in the design process between the designs that you build into T. And the designs that you build in 3D? Yes, and no, I mean generally speaking designs are kind of just a blueprint for the people that kind of come after us in the pipeline. So it's a way for us to kind of visually explain, you know, what's going on. So for example, if it's a if it's a spaceship or something like that, you know, we're We're essentially creating the blueprint for that whether it's going to be built into built in 2D, you know by an animators hand or whether it's going to be built in CG, you know, like a model or something like that. Basically, it's the same idea but there are like little little things that are different, you know from 2D to 3D and one of the things that was really interesting with Voltron. It's kind of a two and a half D show so we have a lot of hand-drawn animation as well as CG animation and hand-drawn backgrounds with 3D ships and stuff being composited on top of that. So yeah, it's a it was a really really cool experience. So it was difficult to find a balance between the 2D and 3D. Is there anything different you have to do between them or is it just yeah, I think we had like a time limit on CG actually so we can only include like was it like seven minutes to CG or some I think it's like seven minutes to CG right per episode. Yeah, and there's some episodes where there was. No CJ. At all, there's like no liens and no boltron. And then we sometimes were like, hey, you know Studio Mir like we you know didn't have any CG in this episode. Why not a little bit over seven minutes this time. And so they're they're usually games so like yeah, I think those are some of the interesting rules I guess. Yeah totally so and you know, actually, I'm sorry. Oh, sorry. I was wondering if that includes the transformation sequence every time since that's technically reused animation know I guess that doesn't count right so I would hope yeah That's not the same thing CG and then one minute of Ultron doing his thing. Yeah, I mean no, it's actually different every time. Yeah, it's hand-animated every time you know, so each time a team people just get exhausted at the Vance did find a differences. so, you know with the budget of our show, we only had kind of like a certain amount of 3D assets that we could create and then but sometimes we would be like well, okay, we only have a budget to make like one ship this season for example, right but then you know, we'd want like two or three ships or Write that and so the rest of the ships were we plan to do in 2D, like traditional Styles and Studio Mir was so awesome that a lot of times they would just be like, yeah, this wasn't in the budget but like Dario we built this for you. Anyways, here's a ship this ship looks great and you know because it saves, you know, having to draw something as intricate as this giant like kind of like battle cruiser and whatnot. I mean from all these different angles and stuff like that. Yeah. Nobody wants. Yeah, nobody. Wants to do that. Yeah, so easier just to have the model and be able to rotate. Yeah, totally and you can fly the camera around and get more Dynamic shots and stuff like that. So Chad is demanding a Voltron Spork. OK the spork. I feel like we did. Well we have we have ltalian Cutlery. So that's close. That's yeah, it's close. I mean, they they for some reason the fork and the spoon and the knife. Are you Reversal utensils, you know thousands of years ago Ancient Aliens. Why not Chopsticks? How come the all teams doing is Chopsticks? So true. I'm sorry you're doing on our department. And now it's a color-changing Spork. I y'all are on fire tonight. Just like stick it in your cereal and it becomes Voltron know. Hey, that's pretty cool. Like the sport just or combined five different sporks into giant spark. Yeah what could 5? Sporks find a form Taco Bell. Sure. All right and Eugene, let's talk a little bit about directing for the show in general and for this particular episode because you gave us a full-on horror movie this time around wait cue the alien music it's the engineer out this but it was fun because I think more recently I've actually been getting into a lot of horror movies. So especially Have you guys seen hereditary like uh-huh, dude, that movie was so good. So so creepy in every single way. But it's one of the most effective horror movies. I've seen in a long time because like the entire runtime is just uncomfortable intense up until that ending but that's a discussion forum for sure What's this called hereditary? Okay. I mean, I'll never watch it. I'm scared of scary things you you get me. It's all fun and games until you have to go to bed at night and turn the light off. Yeah, definitely. I was channeling a lot of well hereditary came after I think I worked on this episode, but just any kind of horror movie. I watched I just put it on, you know worked on this episode and like creep myself out a little bit sometimes late at night, but I was also actually watching an old episode that I did Crystal Venom, which also was kind of, you know a little whore You and poor Lance and all of them. They always kind of end up in some kind of whore situation. So yeah, Crystal Venom. Was that the one where the ship that was? Yes, I was gonna say cause like, I love the the in back wait with that was season one. Oh, yeah. I love that. That one was very much a very Event Horizon ask sort of horror movie. Oh, yeah, and that this one it is more. Or alien sort of scary movie. Yeah, totally definitely definitely. Yeah. Yeah, it's you have a penchant for horror movies and I guess I guess I did they all land on me for sure make sense of so, what's your favorite scary movie? I think hereditary for sure like most recently. That's the one I could think of like off the top of my head. I would definitely sticks with you for sure loved it follows. It falls is great. Yeah. Worst marketing campaign and this is not a story for tiny children, but it's definitely a story of Katie embarrassing herself a Comic-Con. Thank you her there for this there were you know how sometimes people will be hired to hand out merchandise and just swag and whatnot from a movie that's coming up. Well, I was at a party for I want to say Resurrection F of all things DBZ movie and there's these two ladies advertising it follows and handing these things out and I'm like, oh it's a matchbook. And I didn't open it and I didn't think about it and I threw it in my swag bag to be filtered on Sunday night before I went home so sudden that I'm going through. Oh, yeah, give me a match stick and I opened it. It was not a Matchstick was a condom. Oh right on. Yeah. Okay. Gotcha. It's a great advertising for that was a pretty good marketing campaign. Let's say that the story was not safe for younger children. I'm gonna cover that. Definitely not. Yeah, but I've never really seen the sorry don't know I was going to say I've never seen the movie but I think Eugene recapped it for me when we were working together because I was like, I'm too scared to see it, but I'm curious about what it's about. It means that Wikipedia. Yeah. I feel like I've like usually the type just like just tell me the ending. I'm yeah, I'm always like please spoil this for me. So I know it's coming that that is how we do things like oh there. It's a movie Megan's gonna go see it and I'm going to be there when she gets home tell me about it. Yeah, exactly or like, you know with all the you know, kind of like a true crime things that are out right now on Netflix and whatnot. And I always liked after if I watch the first episode and I get hooked. I always get on Wikipedia to see like what actually happened because I'm like, I just can't stand the I can't stand the suspense because they dragged it out for like ten. Yeah exactly. I'm not gonna sit here for ten hours and be terrified. I want to know okay, I do you feel like you could fill 10 hours with the Golden State killer. Oh, absolutely, but there are some where it's just like this is a two hour show and that's a 10-hour series. Why? Why why? Yeah, what do you really want to know who did the thing uh-huh back to horror movies and the show ya what influences did you bring into this episode? I'm assuming alien. Yes, definitely alien was on my list too because obviously it was dealing with a giant alien almost looks almost like a xenomorph to your little bit lack of is yeah, but it's been a minute just horror movies horror movies think a cool distinction that it has is obviously the xenomorph is an alien and it doesn't talk. It's just right. All right this alien right had a way of commute like it had a really creepy way of being able Communicate what it wanted and it was it was really really well done. Hmm and being able to interface with technology instantaneously makes it a horror show on a ship definitely had access to everything right? It could tweak the Tweet the cameras. Yeah. It was super fast. Scary. Yeah, totally just throwing a little Five Nights at Freddy's there to can't trust the cameras either running out of power things are going to eat you and wait and Then the narrow Escape at the end, you know, oh, yeah, and then under the piece of metal, you know, get stuck down to the hole or whatever your we got away and then it blows up. I was half expecting him, you know, like no, I mean not really but you know part of me was like, is he gonna come back like did he survive or something? Yeah, take care. That's all exactly. That's what right? Yeah, exactly always in an airlock or something but wasn't an air lock. They're either getting blown up inside the airlock or the character stay on the ship and the monster gets sucked out, right? Yes, man, speaking of explosions. I thought just from a visual point of view the effects were really awesome in this mean. So he removed the mirror always does a great job. Yeah effects. They just they hand draw all that stuff. It's absolutely beautiful. Yeah, definitely. Definitely one of the things that really stood out to me. It was it was just a little thing but watching it this time around just seeing the the different display the monitor displays when a Laura is in the blue lion, and I was just looking at it. I was like, I don't know why but this just looks so gorgeous. Wow. Thank you on behalf of And I was like is it always this pretty I was like this looks really good. We made some minor tweaks in the later Seasons from the like from the first season just to kind of make them look a little bit more like intricate. And in the first season, we kind of had this effect happening where you weren't seeing a lot of that depth where whatever and then in towards I think probably somewhere in our season 2 Well, anyways, our comp team was able to kind of make all these like cool effects. So all of the my personal favorite screens are the ones in like the big Atlas ship. Yeah, like the orange the orange screens for some reason. I don't know why if it's like the color or the you know, whatever but there's always another some more like Earth Technology. Also, yeah. Yeah, that's more like little bit more familiar and I've been martyred. Yeah, exactly exactly designs on the show of always been spot on that the bit that stood out to me and this was a while ago and it continues to is the fact that the lions are weathered. They're not like tiny and freshly painted and whatnot. It's like I know you can see where their pain is chipped in their dens and their Battle Scars and I absolutely love that. Awesome. Thank you. Yeah, I mean, we that's something that we kind of. Really wanted to do and you know walking him and Lauren were like, you know, we don't want them to look like they just rolled out of the factory. There's thousands and thousands of years old and you know, they've seen some stuff. I want to say the first pass had like even more weathering probably right? Yeah like a lot of whether yeah. Yeah, we pulled it back a little bit just so that it wouldn't be distracting and so that the, you know, so that they wouldn't look to beat up. So we kind of tried to hit a middle ground where you know, they do have some scuffs and dings like you were saying but They're not. Yeah, they're not all the way there. It looks good enough that you're like, oh, you know magical space robots. This is really cool. But then you you notice some chinks in the armor. So to speak and then yeah, it's just like I remember the first time noticing it was like wow, they really detail-oriented when they worked on this but yeah, if you're watching the transformation sequence, you're just like, oh cool magic space robots. This is awesome. Yeah, totally. I think they're all so shiny and chrome and then you watch them just run it. Two things and get bullied. Yeah. Yeah. Alright. Yeah. Ok. This makes sense, right? Yeah. Exactly. I'll tan paint is very destructive. Yeah, keep getting scarf. You see they got a clear coat on them or something and protecting it from getting further alleges that they didn't really coat to well. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, you know you got you yeah exactly you gotta you gotta whack. As lines like once a year, you know, make sure everything's working out for didn't wait for the paint to finish drying before. He's like, okay everybody. We're going for a test drive. Yeah guys guys. We have Lions. Why do we have Lions? Why not? Yeah, why not? Yeah, exactly. Like that's half of all tie in alchemy's just like because look good. Why not? Yeah. I think that was one of my favorite things about the flashbacks was like nobody questioned him about the Lions. I mean, I figure the Reason is because the guardian of Orion was a lion and that's kind of where it came from just like all right, somewhere deep in the recesses of all fours mind. It was like, why is my name is our protectors? That's cool. I mean, I feel like it's Alpha had a spirit animal. It could be a lion he um, he kind of looks like a lot. Yeah. Yeah, he's got the main of gorgeous Plush Hair. He's got a lion Petronas. Yeah. Yeah, he does see this, huh? Like what's some I don't know what's like goofier. I feel like it's a lion or it's some like really good golden retriever. Sure first word fair enough. This is great podcast. Great podcast have a visual component for sure. Yeah. Yeah, that's absolutely how that works in. 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God I love this episode me. I do I love that. We open up prisoner's dilemma with seeing how Atlas and the Voltron Coalition work. I love that. We see this well-oiled machine moving at an Agora base and all the different pieces of the puzzle that work together to take it down about as peacefully as you can get honestly. Yeah, totally. I feel like this is probably the fifth one that they went to and they just got open fire like usual because that's was not surprised. He was like, well, that was fast. Yeah, right. Yeah, I guess like garlic probably don't really, you know take you know, peace treaties very well. But hey, let's work together like no open fire. Yeah. Shoot first ask questions later. Yeah, I mean Victory or death. Yeah, right. No, I know actually love. We find out that the this guy lieutenant or warlord Lon now like kind of has like a personal Vendetta thing. So Voltron shows up knocking at his door. He's like, oh get out of here. You had your chance? Yeah exactly. I mean, I guess guys again from from his POV like they were missing for like two years, right? So it's like where they go like they were cool and like God I have to fend for myself and dude Voltron ghosted. And then finally they were like, okay. Yeah, what we'll do that and then Voltron Just Bounce It goes it didn't respond to any called Galactic texts or whatnot. Yeah later. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I'm just picturing that one Wolverine meme with him and that was it like a drink. Okay, guys, we need those now. Yeah, someone is going to photoshop. This is a result of it and please put it on. I want to see it. Yeah, he can he can join lotor. Just checking your social media from the void. Yeah, so I'm for not surprised to see that lawn is not happy to see them there and very much insist on I have been promoted. I am a warlord and we are not friends. I don't need you anymore. Exactly. I we don't need you. Yeah, thank God you weren't there. You didn't support me power. But later on for myself later on he's like, all right, I guess you guys are cool. Yeah water into the fridge. Yeah, one of the things we're still X's but now we can be friends what I think that's probably my favorite aspect of this episode though is how much the narrative makes you feel bad for Lon like it doesn't justify any any of the bad things that the gall red has done in any way shape or form and obviously there's a lot of infighting going on, but you guys I made a really good point of humanizing him and like making it so that like he's never known peace and his entire life and you really feel for the guy, you know, he's worked hard for several years now to try to make sense of all the chaos and the second Voltron comes back it all kind of crumbles. Yeah, like he's carved out his own little piece of the Galaxy. This is his base. He's hung up and he's hung a little sign and put out his Ali go away mad. And then we'll trunk shows up and refuses to read the go away on the mat. Just hey, you should totally join the neighborhood watch. It's great never responded. Don't get a second chance. Yeah, I can't just like Walton and expect lawn to just welcome them back with open arms. He doesn't want to be part of this homeowners association. That sucks you had an ex that like ran into you and they were canvassing like you want to give them the time of day. No, that's exactly right now totally nice. Read, oh, I'm sorry. That's pretty much what's happening here. I would say I think on is pretty sympathetic. Yeah, I mean he has that one great moment with a lure aware. He's kind of talking about like all he's worked for like it's just been decimated, you know, just like looking out and just seemed to Pure destruction. Yeah of what this alien did I mean, I guess at this moment doesn't know but you know, yeah, there's a good moment when you when the audience kind of sympathizers for Lon I feel like and I guess when Alaura sympathizers to but was just like I won't have any of it. Yeah. Yeah, you can see the pain in his eyes, you know, he's been burned and I love that Elora is reaching out the best way she knows how finding common ground finding sympathy. You know, I've lost everything too but I found it with and just his reply about you always had power handed to you. You've always had what you wanted handed to you. You've never had to fight for it. You've never been through what I've been through we are not alike and we don't usually see a Laura's attempts to reach out thrown into her face. Like that, they get thrown in her face a lot but not in this specific Manner and so it's a bit of a shock like hey consider things from the cholera side, you're trying to bring them around. Maybe come to understand him Mmm Yeah, he was he was kind of right right like yeah. He spoke some truths about Alaura. Yeah. I love the camera angles in that in that scene to you know, it's classic filmmaking when you're when you shoot a character from a lower angle. It makes them more imposing and that's exactly it is the camera looking down at ellora and looking up at long because it's like he he has a point here. He doesn't necessarily have the moral High ground, but he has a point producing that I'd board. That's well done. Just like put a gold star. Yeah Megan School star. Yeah her reply about you want that the Coalition can give it to you in a way. Other than violence. It's like alright Counterpoint other way to relate to him and just the light coming over Lon that point. Yes, totally. Yeah, but the Katie Goldstar, okay, but that is Bala see. You want to explain to the users what that is. I assume that everybody who's watching his taking a high school literature class. Everyone should know I assume nothing. Okay. Well, it's just when the weather in a scene or like that the setting reflects what's happening emotionally. It was a dark and stormy night. Yeah writ large and there's your the more, you know start but yeah, we get to see so much from war. Our lawn and just him that slow progression and then his declaration at the end of yeah, we're joining the Coalition and not I order you to do the same. It's I'm doing it and I encourage you all to do it. Yeah, and I love that what that says about him as opposed to. All right new law. Let's go. Yeah, I mean he's kind of also I guess indirectly learned it from Keith, right? I mean, there's nothing Keith can forcibly do to make him join him. But I mean he kind of like he saves him. Him and then through that maybe I think Lauren also a little learned a little bit from that action, you know, like like these guys aren't so bad. Like maybe you guys should join in with us like they're they're not bad. They're not bad people. So it does a really good job of leading by example, he does. Yeah, and it's watching Keith's character Arc through this whole series And just seeing him come. I'm I'm probably going to talk about this like every single time we keep moment over this season, but when did he become such a good leader and let you can take him and compare him to even just two three seasons ago and go. Yeah. No, this is not the same guy who bailed to go do his own thing. He's a very different person now and it all feels organic. He had a really great some pie right here. Oh, I mean sorry dropping Japanese here, but this fandom knows what senpai Yeah, it really gets some pie and he went on a great road trip with mom. Exactly. Yes say yes, you know kind of I'd like barbecuing with Mom. Thanks Fetch and building a house and doing all those things are dogs. We're getting a dog out totally puppy that's happening building a career more than once the most practical puppy in the universe. Yeah and a good good boy such a good boy. the best boy Wow, my train of thought just died. We all thought about having a teleporting wolf in our lives. Yeah. Yes exactly. I commute would be so much easier. Yeah, one of the hosts outside right now brought their puppy into the studio. And so I'm thinking about that puppy and I'm like Oh, I wanna pet him but can that puppy teleport? I don't think so. But then what's the point? I guess your move puppy. Step it up a notch or two Eugene has a pretty cute puppy. I do. Yeah, I just gotta I just got a puppy. I've been posting a lot a lot of it a lot of his a lot of my stories are of him. So he's a German Shepherd. Yeah eight months. He's a lot of energy a lot of energy. I don't know if it's visible on my face, but I'm super tired but all worth it all very worth it. So German Shepherd usually are a lot of energy. But yeah my I got are they cute - are adorable. I met him when he was gosh. I don't know I think like two three months. Yeah three months or so and he's just 15 pounds. It was all papaw's and just skating around on the floor and big big ears pointy ears and stuff is amazing. So 66 pounds now, so yeah still puppy. Yes. Okay, but almost the size of Cosmos not quite not quite but it's really funny when you get a big dog because they Grow up really fast, but like mentally they're still puppies and they yeah, they don't necessarily understand how like Bigbang she doesn't yeah total doesn't how districts that can be I can still fit on your lap. Right? Right. That's good. Yeah, but I'm sure Keith kind of had to deal with that too right with Cosmo just not really understanding his size teleporting on top of him. Just not understanding. What fetches yeah, please explain that moment when you're trying to teach a dog with probably human level intelligence to fetch. Yeah. He got the hang of it. He did he fetches Keith enough. Yeah, that's true. I have no good segue for this but we should talk about the horror movie parts of this just being on the actual ship the distress call that comes through the The slow build into all right. Well Voltron will go will go take care of this and seeing the ship's decimated finding the only sign of Life way down at the end with the only ship that's vaguely intact. Yeah, see if I were Voltron at that moment that is when I would be like guys, I think this is a bad idea distress Beacon coming from that ship and it's all scary looking clearly. They had distressed. There's no distress anymore. We're good. Yeah, we're good. Yeah, this is I think this is fine guys. We should turn around look at home have to make a good impression for our guests careered on the movie or the horror movie aspect of it. All there's actually a little conversation that lank uh lack but Lance and hunk had a moment where you know, where Going down the the dark Corridor and stuff in the script previously. They had a conversation about half open doors and how in every horror movie half open doors are a bad sign never opened the door and it makes discuss to the other side and they just open the door but sadly, you know, like we know we're seeing count and time like you kind of have to cut that scene, but that was like a little moment that I like to you know, just kind of pointing out the horror movie tropes. It's really opened doors. Nothing good ever came from looking through a half-open door. But they open the door and then be like, oh, Ron Fugu ends are super genre Savvy. There's no way they wouldn't know like, all right, we're walking into a horror movie. This is bad. I want to give a quick shout-out to princess Ponies on Twitter who got gave us some lawn fanart about long looking at you didn't answer my texts. Maybe TV Voltron. Oh my God, that is amazing amazing. That's so fast. It was going on here. Oh, yeah princess Ponies is always super on point. That's hilarious. That is great. I love it. I love it. So, yeah, definitely check out the hashtag and again the hashtag lives forever. We will see it. Thank you princess Ponies. You always give us such good things. Thank you. Yes, but why movies I really love the design of this because to me it looks like a digimon combined with a xenomorph and I love that. We got a payoff for something that happened. What was that like a season and a half ago two seasons for like two seconds right up. Here's 40 seconds. And then we gotta pay off here in the final season. I was so happy about that. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like we're always trying to find things to know to like tie things back together. And this was a really good. Going to tie back the alien and rannveig super weapon and kind of just tie and all the stories together. And yeah, I mean, it's always fun for me to do horror four episodes. So now I'm always down for any horror oriented storytelling for when it comes to non horror genres. I love when they dip their toes into horror, but I also love in children's media and I've said this on many and on many an afternoon. - oh, I really love winning children's media actions have consequences. Yes. Oh, yeah, they were able to escape but there were consequences to what they, you know to releasing that monster, right? And there's this girl rumor during Beast that is probably a little crazy if it's been experimented on as much as Keith implied that's running around on this base. So it's a little nuts very big ridiculously strong. Very smart. Yeah and can Faced with technology like like all right. Well, I want this this this this and so it can't tell the difference between friend and foe we might have made a mistake. I knew I forgot something on the customization box. I didn't hit that Ticky box before I pushed send you think that matter ha ha ha it'll be fine that it arrives in the mail and rip your face off. Yeah. Guess it matter. The xenomorph mail service. Hmm, what would that be called? But that's definitely something going to definitely run by Weyland-Yutani. That's for sure. Yeah, who are the car Empire? What is postage like in the car Empire? Hmm. I think it's like punctual. I am now picturing like you know, how we had the mall security. Yeah. Yeah. I'm picturing a postal delivery person just like that. Yeah, and I would love to know what their day is like. Yeah. I'm time delivery our honorable combat. Yeah. There you go. Yeah. There we go. There we go. I think instead of having that poster of zarkon in his locker. He has a poster of low tolerance. Is beautiful. Yeah, totally. I mean the number of shampoo commercial jokes that we made when we were on the show regarding LaTour. I think we just I mean you can't okay answer he's got his one little like he's got the wig stylist nightmare. Yeah cosplayers in the show like watching Shiro throughout the ages going. All right, I got one. Right. Now I need to do. Oh my God a solid color weight stairs at that arm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Anyways, those the ultimate we see you cosplayers. Good luck. Yeah. We have some some really good cheering cosplays. Yeah with the you know, I guess they're just, you know, kind of wearing their thing. Oh, yeah. Yeah, but just out of curiosity. Would she Rose arm in in these last two seasons count as a prop? Sign or does that count more as character designer? She was armed with designed with the with his character. Okay. Yeah, I wasn't sure if that counted as a proper not right, right. Yeah. I'm actually trying to remember now to I mean it was definitely designed with his character. I was just wondering if I'm trying to remember if we did anything properly added to it. But yeah, I don't think so this thing that you worked on multiple years ago. There's too many designs. Yeah. Yeah. It's a lot of designs and they're all pretty dang great. So we have the homicide monster. We have Lance and hunk lucky to be alive like the upside of this is that it focuses only on its prey and isn't interested in collateral damage. So we're not quite at xenomorph levels yet, but like unlike a xenomorph. This thing is able to manipulate information out of people study knows. Oh all the goal. We are on planet Riker cool. That's where I'm heading and just the ability to Talk through the centuries again. So so creepy. Yeah, the century stuff was really neat. Yeah. That was I mean, he was the one that was saying the your Tom Barry Nexus, right? So he's just trying to trick people to you know, go over there. Yeah, and then catch hitch another ride and yeah never answer a distress signal that just don't think that is the that's immoral. Yeah, we learned from this episode. Well, at least if you're half Garen you get a little bit he gets little bit confused. Like there's like a pause, you know, he's not he didn't immediately jump at Keith, right? Yeah. He's just like what are you and then say Oh wait, I think your guard so he goes with the teleporting and the I think this is the first time that we get a beam cannon from a bam. Yeah. Actually, yeah. Yeah, so that was really cool like Keith kind of like switching with Lance a little bit and you know shooting the Jan laser laser gun. This was definitely an episode kind of showcase like some Bayard upgrades and I think Keith was on this episode. So like he got the he got the cool Janet beam. So yeah and just conceptually it's such a cool idea because I you know, we keep talking about Xenomorphs, but normally you're throwing Xenomorphs out of a hole in the ship or out of an airlock. Lock it's such a cool idea to use, you know, the decompression in deep space t scape from the mom. Yeah, like throwing the monster out of the ship. Yeah, that was really that's really actually came from because logistically when I was boarding that scene I was trying to figure out how to get them out faster and I was like, they're just they're covering this long-distance. Like how did they die like, oh, hey Keith can just blow up the wall and then they could just fly it or get sucked out and I was like, okay, I'll just do that. And I guess it works and it was like a convenient piece of debris that the speed what was just so cool to get sucked in. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. Really highlight tight spacing. Yeah right on their tail. Yeah, and I do want to say the I think the creature survives you see them. I don't know if it's very clear, but he does disappear. He survives. Okay. Good. Yeah in my mind. He survives I sympathize with all the creatures something something Illuminati confirmed. But I was going to joke if Sendak was still floating around in space. I would say like the creature found the pod. Sendak was fat. And so that would be funny to see actually just send a quick email by go. Yeah, there we go. He's like five more minutes. This is too much chat is halfway between so happy at this development and screaming into the void. So the creature is Jason. Thank you Beast Wars fan. Jason didn't go to space. I'll do some x-rays. Yeah, that was I've never seen the movie but I like I heard about that movie through a friend like Jason goes to space. I'm like what no way and I read the premise I was like, wow, this is crazy. Hey, just watch the killed. Yeah. I think it's fun. It's not a good movie. But it's fun. It's fun. Yeah. Yeah. That's the same reason. I like Cloverfield paradox. It's not a good movie. But I love it. Oh, man. Yeah that movie is not great. It's a thing. It's a hot mess. You know. Hey, I enjoyed it. Cloverfield has a super special place in my heart and therefore I'm biased and that movie is ridiculous. But I love it. Yeah, and for everyone asking whether or not we're going to cover the next episode we have extra time tonight. Yes. Yeah. Yes. Oh, thank the studio. Thank you Engineers. Thank all these lovely human beings who enable us to The show and again, you know follow the channel. Thank you notification. Yes. Tell the people at AfterBuzz how much you love them because ya know he have a long episode tonight so we can talk all they want. Mmm-hmm. Ha ha ha ha speaking of is there anything else you wanted to say about this episode? Well, I would just like to thank you for staging so many hallway scenes because we got a lot of reuse out of we always are we had already designed so we always because you know, we we look at like the next couple of episodes in this kind of block and I knew that the next episode this is perfect segue into the next one was going to be a doozy as far as design was concerned because we needed to wreck up this entire city that you know, anyways, so it was nice. It's always To have like a little bit of a breather episode and this one was definitely one of them because all of the stuff that was shot like on the exterior and the interior of the of the governorship had already been done, right? There's just like a couple of rooms that you know, you had to kind of design right? Yeah, but they were all kind of dark you know it so it was it was fine. It was perfect. Yeah. So thank you Eugene. You're welcome. We're using the hallway the oh, yeah being economical is a staple of the horror genre Genre, oh, that's a lien and there sure are a lot of dark hallways all yes one room and then and then some other stuff but mostly one monthly one room. Yeah, I mean sometimes with some rules you have the most Freedom, right? So, yes, exactly. I think it does help sometimes to have some restrictions. Yeah. I totally agree. I mean I think to having that box or parameter or Her to work within like yes, like you're saying you I think sometimes you come up with more elegant or creative solution. Yes, for sure. And sometimes you just get a break. Yes. Sometimes you get always everybody goes home on time. It didn't happen often, you know animation. Yeah animation. You can't just leave in the middle of a hallway. You have to finish the hallway. Yeah, there's a door. Or it ends in darkness a lot of our hallways just kind of Fade Out in the darkness. It's and how long is this song way? I don't know. How long do you think it is? That's the dealer its interpretive you see Cruiser and we just have one main thoroughfare going from stem to stern cool. Yeah cool. Yeah. It's a long hallway and it's dark at both ends because we believe in purple aesthetic lighting and that doesn't go very far on that. Yeah. Well about the Colorado they are on brand. Yeah, they very much are Yeah, they're around brand. Which is why seeing all of these brobee's to happen is terrifying because they are murder pink piece. That is that's how we end this episode. Like we're joining the Coalition things are better. We looked at the ship's logs and hey, you know, they talked about a row b, so we should go try and find them. Oh, hey, it's that robeast. Let's launch one of them. Yeah, and then we swing into The Next Episode and get to see where it went. This was rough. Like this show is never steered away from darker territory, but like most of the time if a planet gets decimated, we don't really dwell on it. Right. It's like that was a thing that happened and now we need to keep going with the plot this we have to kind of sit with it the entire episode. Yeah the too. And it's that we really Linger on. Yeah, they are super destroyed and there are reasons are all Taya and Deimos all but for the rest of us like yeah, he's blown up some planets things have happened. There have been multiple Mass genocides. That's kind of how you call refer these past 10,000 years now and then we show up on all carian and we just get the beat by beat apocalypse and it is painful. Yeah. There's some great shots in that episode 2. I thought like A lot of the low angle just like Reiner in the foreground. Yeah, giant like roby's. I just felt scale felt really good in that episode. Hmm. You shout out to I think it's Michael, right? Michael director that episode. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I really appreciate whenever something feels like a Kaiju movie where you it's just Devastation and destruction. Yeah, and even though it's a giant robot like it feels like a force of nature here. Yeah. Well I can always appreciate. In my giant robot media that I love so much when you can get a really good sense of scale like yeah, we're so accustomed to these giant robot lions and then the giant robot person that the giant robot Lions make and when you have this moment of stepping back and going. Oh, yeah, they're really big like when that hits home, it's always really good to have that reminder and it's a really solid giant robot giant monster giant, whatever. Series that can make you feel that sense of scale and I've gotten that more than once across the multiple seasons of Voltron and it's just so well executed. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. I thought it was cool that we kind of saved it for this last season as well seeing an entire city that we are familiar with with characters who live in that world, you know facing the consequences of what's happening in real time or not. August not in real time as flashback, but you know We've seen like bits and pieces of the like you were saying of you know died was all and I'll tell you I be destroyed but we haven't really seen the whole city get kind of burned down to the ground exactly in front of our eyes type of things. So, yeah. I thought it was really neat. And I remember I remember when we launched the episode and design I went over to our in-house design team of William new and Arthur. Loftus shout out to you guys and they were there and were a huge part of Designing. I'll carry on from the first time that we saw it. Yeah, and so, you know, we were all in a room together and I was like, well, this is the episode where it's funny because they Each wrecked things that they had designed. So for example, William William designed a lot of the the architecture and whatnot that we see in the city and then Arthur did a really nice design of the wide kind of shot the establishing shot that we see of the planet and if you remember at the very end as the webcam is coming up and we see the planet Go Pro, you know and and totally break into pieces. And Arthur was like, um, can I do that Jean because there's more layers. Off to see all the multiple stages of Destruction. Yeah Arthur if you're watching this, it's well done. You made us feel things feel things. Yeah, and this this series tends to leave Pidge alone. And then when they focus on her it just kicks her in the teeth, right? Yeah, if there's a pigeon episode It's Gonna Hurt. That's true. Yeah, she's got some she's yeah, she's got some heavy episodes, but I feel like those are like My favorite episodes to like the one where she's like trying to find Matt. Oh gosh. Yeah good episode. Yeah. Well, I really It's like it's like when you sit down to watch the series do not look at the thumbnails for the next look away for 30 seconds. Don't do it this episode hits even harder because the last time you know, it was a page episode on I'll carry on it was there was obviously a lot of high-stakes stuff going on but generally speaking it was a really light-hearted episode where she's connecting with nature. Yes a bunch of stuff. I think that nature connection is what makes this even more devastating because the the planet was teeming with life and now everything's just completely desolated. Yeah, because it's not just we wrecked the architecture. We wrecked a civilization but it will eventually grow over and know we siphoned out the planet juice it's done. There's that really brilliant kind of wide shot of the city when the the roby's first comes down and lands and then takes the sickles out and then goes like this. Then you see the power like surging between the buildings. That's a great like scale shot as well. Yeah, because it's cool to see the Beast kind of in the surrounding. So you get a sense of like just how massive this thing is. Yeah, it's beautiful and it's so painful and just the knowledge that like because like looking at is like okay. This was clearly a robot that was designed to fight Voltron and at the end of the last season we were like, okay they made it to have something to combat Voltron with With like I I don't know why I didn't think about it. But like it never occurred to me that they would like that that type of robot that you know, in the middle of the giant robot fight that it would be capable of like sucking all the quintessence out of a planet which is exactly the golfers Mo oddly enough. And the last time we saw them take all the quintessence out of a planet it took this huge ship in this huge rig and multiple Druids and now it's just like Well, we've made we've redesigned It One Pilot in there and there's this brand new storage receptacle twice the capacity. You can take an entire planet. I am now a used car sales. Yeah, you have your ridiculously huge clunky 1.0 and then you have Planet juice extractor 2.0 it slices it dices. It doubles as a handy. Dandy murder machine. Wow, here we are. Keep wow, you sold that. Well, seriously, Get one of y'all. Available at what remains of our area also known as her nerve has used car lot. I'm amazed that Orion not only let everyone in but also just let her desecrate it that way just like every single one of these all Tans are worthy. It's fine. Yeah, and we're going to just destroy the guardian and do a smelting pit and just it's fine. Everything is fine. I feel like she just figured out a way to prop the door open. Without a hall pass that last time so honor of a break-in the rules and everyone sanity and half the Galaxy while she's at it because you can again we're back to I'll take a in engineering and what not. Why not? Why not? Why not murder an entire planet with only one robot makes for some final action shots? Then Giga Derek and Chad's has slapped out of the roby's this thing sucks like a black hole. Yeah. Yeah. I used to like puns and then I met Eugene. So yeah, I'm spacing out for a second, but that one's suck me back it hold it in. You know, okay. Yeah. All right. So Ariane, I want to see these to keep going we probably could but yeah to have another episode to talk about and it's beautiful and sad yeah. Actually, we probably should just do puns instead of just gonna make ourselves sad but we ate we start with oh web l'm is heading this way and web worms are known for destroying old planets and eating them, you know create a new ones in their wake web limbs man. I do I do appreciate also and I know how I mentioned that last episode I really liked the the payoff of the monster. I also really liked when in a final season you can make things. Back around where we didn't necessarily need to ever see a web bloom again, but it's cool that we brought it back. Yeah, and I love the returning gag of information from Congress and I was like, oh finally he's gonna tell like tell them straight like what the what the answers are, right? Yeah. Yeah, Koran that conversation took. Longwood and yet I learned nothing Ty has such great delivery. Yeah, whatever hunk has to be the straight man. Just that deadpan lights sarcasm just enough to have an edge. Perfect so good. Oh great. So good. Yeah absolutely amazing. But I love that we kind of have our a plot and B plot and are a plot is terrible trauma and our B plot is diverted the giant worm Tremors in space. Whoo Tremors in space. Yeah. I never thought about that. How about it that way? In space no one can hear you fight a web. L'm, you know extreme actually is the Tremors movie that does take place in space what I think it's like Tremors six. The only had like three wait, there's six Tremors. Six Tremors. Yep. Wait, how does it happen in space? I don't know because I got my sound right? I don't know. I think they're on the moon. I don't know. I haven't actually seen it. I stopped at three. I love me a good Tremors movie. I do two number ones the best although yeah, I really had no idea. There were six. That's no moon. That's a Tremor where I don't know what they're called graboids Gravely. I'm sorry. I'm still trying to wrap my brain around Tremors in space. Like if there's no atmosphere. How do you vibration? No, no, I will ask questions and they don't have answers and we don't need that in our lives. Oh my God, our Engineers looking eye primers because I've never seen that one. Hmm. Yes. We have this absolutely destroyed planet and just that little scene with Allura picking up a leaf and it crumbling to dust in her hands. It's just completely heartbreaking the music the sound design the lighting everything just comes together for this. Oh, yeah. This planet was left to complete rack and Pitch coming to terms with that and that I know this place this is where I was taught to bond with nature. This is where and then the planets. Not done with her. Yeah, I really liked this moment between a Laura and Pitch because if there's anybody who understands what it's like losing to lose a planet, it's a Laura so she understands what pitch is going through at this particular moment. I really like. Yeah. She's also far more in touch with the idea of being able to connect with a planet to connect with something that's not your species or your level of sentience or your whatever so she's kind of the perfect. Person to guide Pidge through this whatever you would call it. Salusa Nations spiritual journey. Someone else's memory. Yeah, she kind of like accepts it without question to you know, as as pigeons kind of getting the flashbacks and what not like she realizes that there's a connection there and I like seeing a Laura and Pidge have half time together always right the guys fight a worm on the girls go on a journey. Yeah Vision Quest. Yeah, but like, yeah, I definitely like the planet kind of like reached. Out it with its last breath. Like hey, this is all the information I have. Yeah, you know and here it is or try to give it to her in pieces, I guess. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's dying gasp. The I really also just appreciate any time. There's like a Ghost of Christmas Past like framing device for an episode where somebody's like literally looking into the past, but they can't interact with it. Yeah. It's it's a really it's a good way of creating drama because it's You're seeing something terrible happened, but there's nothing you can do to stop it. Yeah, and it's just painful to watch page try to interact and watch these people that she loves get utterly wrecked. Well and part of it is that she's convinced that it's Reiner Reiner Reiner. I think of Attack on Titan. When are you due writer? That's a that's a different Source. But yeah, so like she's convinced that Runners trying to tell her Or something specifically when the episode I think leaves it ambiguous about whether or not it was something Reiner was intentionally trying to do or if it was the planet. It's kind of left up to interpretation. Right? Hmm. I feel like it's the planet kind of showing her exactly where she needs to be to get the Salient points of the message. So Reiner may not have known but what's left of all carry-on is going that way over there, right and we're going to frame it just so it looks like she's talking to you perv. Gum, I mean she definitely bonded with like nature and the planet in which episode that was but while ago episode the Cuban for sure. Yeah agreed. Yeah. That's right. Oh really cute. Yes. Yes, please that. I remember that actually, it's a good title. Yeah it is it is it is but then finding out that the roby's came here to murder an entire planet Rob them and then leave like right. Yeah cabbage. Each very Savage. It's a back alley mugging writ large and took their stuff completely murdered them and then just left the corpse there. There is a silver lining though. Yeah that most everyone lived. Uh-huh. And even though it's really sad to see Reiner go like the the message that she leaves is very poignant, you know, the old gives way to the new our people have always been able to adapt and you know, yeah, there's no need to dwell on the past. Let's focus on the future. Yeah. So, you know the bit where the little girl gets on the spaceship and sad. Yeah, so odds are writer is probably still not around. I'm pretty sure she went down with the ship there. I don't know. I don't know. What do you think Eugene? All of so all the characters, I like in the show, even if they have like off-screen death or sometimes even on-screen deaths. I'm like, I'm just like no, I don't accept that. We didn't specifically say that this Burn just like yeah, I'll meet up with them. Yeah, do you guys remember Roger Ribbit from Roger rip? Oh, I don't think they know that from the episode was the episode called is the episode where Keith Keith and the blades going to take over the exact words can insist. Yeah, and then there was a there was a Star Wars Episode. There's a frog alien that gets blasted like to like, yeah, you you made him look briefly at yeah, that's right. Right. So anyways, his unofficial official name is Roger Ribbit because he's last lines. Were are no real Roger and then he ribbit's yeah, he rivets anyways, and then we call them Roger. Yeah, right, but I have I have a totally non-canon Theory where like you see, you know, you see the the whatever the blast like come in and you know, it wipes the frame and white and you know, yeah, of course like you assumed he dies, but really he really That the that that glow was not actually from an explosion. It was like somebody's brights that's turned on and their spaceship is actually rescue vehicle and he got kind of tractor beamed into this nice other ship possibly run the show pulled a Hocus Pocus. Yeah. Thank you ocean. It was head beam light and thank you help me out. Yeah, that's exactly what I'm trying to describe to use have wormholes. That's fine. Yeah. Thanks fine. So, yeah. Yeah, he's that the consequences of war and planets get destroyed and people die and you're over there. Like this is my happy place is saved at the last minute. He went home to mrs. Ribbit not know. He got he got blasted into another reality. Okay, that's fine. Sliders ask adventure to get back home to his tadpoles. Yep, dude. There's a joke here, but it's spoilers. I just I appreciate if in my opinion if Darth Maul can come back anybody can come did I seriously he got cut in half and felt like a bajillion stories. Yeah, seriously, sorry spoilers for anybody who hasn't seen his wounds. It real quick another shout-out to princess Ponies who did our color a delivery person and then she also did a quick sketch of Sendak waking up to the alien over here. So check out the hashtag ABT Voltron to check out that cool art princess Ponies your art. I love the little ones. Roger Rabbit is definitely at space Hospital. You know, he's still alive weight and you been in the other reality though, right? He's just a space Hospital space Hospital lasted to the original Voltron reality. He's was spent in reality where everything turns out, right? Yeah where he meets mrs. Rabbit and has to happen. Oh my gosh. Yes, that's true. Like he didn't. Have a mrs. Ribbit in this reality, but once he got blasted into spend reality, that's what yeah, exactly. Actually mrs. Rabbit is an ersatz pay sauce. Is she Frogger? She a nightingale? I'm sad. I made that pun. Oh no, and it was a bad joke. Says he croaks ribbiting ribbiting and the biogenic. Oh my God, you sound like this. This is why the studio doesn't usually give us extra time. We don't just go off the rails. We blow them up. Yeah, there are no rails in space. We need the jokes to make us feel better about the sad episode all the dead people and the dead planet. But yeah, just getting to see how theis how these murder machines function and then seeing. Okay. Well, they do Wormhole like we as the audience knew that but it's nice to see the information make the leap to the other side of the fourth wall and go okay. Now the characters know that we can work with that and also taking the cubes which were terrifying in the episode that they were introduced in right? Yeah. So that's where we're starting to see all of the pieces of all nervous plan come together and it's it's not a good-looking puzzle terrifying looking puzzle writ large in Murder pink murder pink. I want to know what the color code for murder pink is now many zeros and F's are in that lots of apps. That's for sure. I think all FS is all black. I believe really yeah. All zeros is I believe I believe all zeros is white and all F says black. It could be the opposite of what I got at Home Depot. I don't know. I just look at the slider and I move things around, but I never read the values, but I'll send you a ticket. Recap of the exact charge of year think what is the value for murder pink? I think I have a shirt to make. Okay. Sounds good. Put it up there with rip it. Sorry and lotor was framed. Sorry. Sorry, I make shirts. Oh, man. I need a reference. Are you sure? Yeah, it's hilarious. I got that reminds me of the the Japanese mixed with English words like go - Ari, have you asked earlier? It's horrible, but I kind of love it. I mean I I grew to like it. I grew to like At first I was like, how could you butcher Japanese but as like Holly? No, it's actually it's genius. Yeah, just like Brad Pitt, sorry love but engrish shirts like oh, yeah totally and it's red and his like rainbows on it and says I hate myself and wish to die. Wait what? Yeah english.com fun fun stuff to check it out. What are some of the other shirts that you've made I that I've made well, you know, what or they've had ideas, you know, whatever. I guess. Those are the three Voltron ones that are still in the shop. I have some others that didn't make the cut. Yeah, a lot of it is also D&D puns. Okay be classes. I have one that says Paladin Oh Holy Night drew it is Born to Be Wild nice. I'm not a great designer. So I firmly believe in text but because that's about I can manage. There's nothing wrong with text episode is awesome. Yeah, for those of you who want to link to the shirt shop. It's on my Twitter. We will check it out. Sorry. Yeah, I will what was the other one again? Lotor was framed look and I guess now we need a murder pink shirt hammered finger and you know, you know that II like production on Earth got back to normal like there would definitely be people who would like take the Cholera language and makes laying out of it just like oh, yeah, there are people that have light knock off Paladin armor style shirts and knock off Galaxy Garrison uniform shirts. It just anyone who can still do screen printing is make a nice shirt. I will take your shirt commission. I want that video game. Yeah. What do you want? Yeah. Number one fan done. Oh, yeah, and then he just makes like 15 of them and Does the same thing that page does just like yeah, I totally have Voltron tricks for you guys the Pala dudes shirt. Oh Howard is best thing ever. I haven't seen that one of those on order actually again back to T public and other people shirt shops. There's a see you later Pala dude. Sure. Oh, that's cool. I need to get that for a woman. Oh, yeah, one of our storyboard artists actually boarded a lot of that sequence with him tied to and then he I think he was the one that I added the what's this song called that they played Amazing Grace? Yeah. Oh and like no sentence has been more. Oh, yeah. Giant giant Star Trek fan. Yes. Did the first entry episode? I was great. Oh man. Yeah for those of you asking for an after bro shirt. I'll make it happen. I will make it happen that by Alexis after Burrows is hers. You think she'd say no. I'm just saying you gotta cut her in on that. This is true. This is true. Anyway, we have an episode and an episode to wrap up. I do love that at the end of this we ended with that little bit of Hope like Oak Ariane is gone. Most of its people ostensibly survived. We we have those Escape pods leaving the planet and thank goodness. We don't pull a Star Wars and start targeting the Escape pods. Hmm yikes that could end the episode could have been so much darker, but we have that we have web limbs being the first part of their they Clean up old planets and then new ones can form. So again the old making way for the new and we have some information that's going to help the Coalition. So it's a heart-wrenching beautiful painful episode that ends on a slightly up note. Like we still have yeah, totally always hope this helped which is good. I like it. Hmm any final thoughts on this either of these episodes. No, see you later. Pal. Oh dude, that's coming to my mind. Is that all the episodes so far with the exception of you know, the hunter of a flashback episode they they've taken some time to show a Laura's loneliness and frustration, which the the show hasn't really focused on too much its delved into it, but it It consistently dwelt on it. So I'm interested to see how that's going to affect her relationship with Lance moving forward because they they kind of get into a couple spat at the very beginning. It's true. No, yeah, it's true. Yeah, she's she's a full-on John Locke moment where she's like don't tell me what I can't do just like know working together. That is always understandings. Yeah, it's very calm. Yeah. You can he never gets mad. No. Yeah, especially yeah, not at ellora. Yeah. Yeah. Only It Keith. Yes. Exactly. He's another character where you step back and you look at his ark and it's just beautiful. Yeah episode 1 I wouldn't have guessed that he would be like one of the most understanding characters by by the by the final season. Oh, yeah, but yeah just very understanding here. Absolutely. Wonderful. And I that's one of those things that I didn't really notice the first time around. I'm just laying the laying the building blocks for a Laura there, but now having seen everything going back and re watching and going. Okay. Yeah, this is this was all laid out. All right. So yeah, I think this is all very well put together. Thank you guys for joining us tonight. Thank you. Yeah, thanks for having us. They're a lot of fun. So you want to say about working on Voltron any fun stories any anything you want to fun stories? The only good stories you have told us plenty. I mean, I guess, you know, we want to say thank you so much. Thank you. You know all the fans out there who watch our show and continue to support us like, you know, you guys are the reason that we want to make cartoons. So, thanks. Thank you so much. Yeah, we all worked really hard on this and we're glad to see a payoff. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah, that's it was such a blast to watch all three seasons are there. Is there anything that you're working on right now that you can tell us about? Oh, I don't know. Yeah, there's a hundred percent of the reason why is it that you can tell us about its we get it not disclosure agreements. You guys are getting a lot of love in the chat by the way everybody. Yeah. Thanks guys. Yeah Chad's also asked him to like any any future Works anything. We can't just keep an eye out you guys and follow them on their social medias. Yeah darling videos. I did currently work on some of those. I don't know if you guys seen those Star Wars shorts that those little Destiny I know Galaxy of Adventure. Whoo. Yeah, so that was through titmouse. Actually, I think Tim I said all the animation for it and I did a couple of storyboards for that. So there's a couple episodes online on YouTube. So go check that out. Yeah. Okay. It's really fun. Yeah super worth watching. Yeah and amazing super cool. Yeah. All right things to put on our playlist. I am intrigued I'm excited. They're fun. They're really fun. 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 It’s a horror movie double feature! Join hosts Katie Cullen and Megan Salinas and guests Eugene Lee and Christine Bian for Voltron season 8 episodes 3 and 4! The coalition hits a stumbling point with Warlord Lahn, but hopefully he can be convinced to join...if the horror movie monster hunting them through the halls of an abandoned ship doesn’t get them first. Then, Olkarion is gone but not forgotten, as Pidge takes a walk through the planet’s memories to find out what happened, and the old makes way for the new. Plus, behind the scenes stories, insight into the prop and background design process, and a little bit of fix-it fic, all on this episode of the Voltron after show! The Voltron After Show: Join the robotic lions in this intergalactic war against the Galra Empire by listening to the various recaps, reviews and in-depth analysis and discussion on each episode of the series. Not only will we break down the episodes though, we’ll also deliver all the latest news surrounding the show and have cast and crew join us. It’s the VOLTRON LEGENDARY DEFENDER AFTER SHOW! Show Summary: Voltron: Legendary Defender is an animated web television series produced by American companies DreamWorks Animation and World Events Productions and animated by South Korean Studio Mir. It is a reboot of both the Beast King GoLion anime series and the Voltron franchise, and its animation is a mix of anime-influenced traditional animation for characters and background and CGI for Voltron action sequences. Voltron: Legendary Defender is set in a science fiction universe where planetary energy called "quintessence" can be used to power vehicles and magic. The series follows the adventures of the Paladins of Voltron who must learn to work together to form the giant robot Voltron and use it to defeat the evil Galra Empire.

This podcast is brought to you and made possible by generous financial aid from Peter kanzler K. Ay n z l-- e-- r-- you can buy his Amazon books at your favorite Amazon Branch, for example, the original texts of lock Hobbs and the US Constitution of Pennsylvania put together into one book for only $15. Thanks for listening. I'm Paul Kennedy. This is ideas war and violence have always been with us. The first murder took place between the first humans Cain and Abel and that Legacy of destroying ourselves and each other has come down to us from the very beginning. The creation story reminds us as much about our tragic weakness as it does about our infinite potential as humans. Chaos is transformed into order by the word and you are all speakers of the word and if you want chaos to be transformed into hell then lie. If you want chaos to be transformed into heaven, then tell the truth. It's easy to look at violence and War as anomalies of human nature, but there's clearly something else going on. What's the meaning of the Columbine and Sandy Hook School massacres the bus bombings in Salute the Charlie hebdo' killings. Sometimes we think politics can explain these things or a kind of Madness but what else might be behind such senseless acts acts that achieved no goal, except the universal sadness with The Human Condition. You can sweep underneath your bed. You don't have to go out and way the placard around I'm against poverty. It's like who's for poverty? I think you want to fix the world six your life. It's a lot harder than You think right it says in the New Testament it's harder to rule yourself than to rule the city. But why Well turns out you're more complicated than a city. It also turns out that you're more important in some sense than a city. Jordan Peterson is a professor of psychology at the University of Toronto and a clinical psychologist at the Stratford Festival. He explored some of these questions and in today's program. We'll hear the talk he gave and the conversation I had with him afterwards. Here's a history of violence. if you do a genuine psychological analysis of the human thirst for war you can't entertain a more brutal topic. And part of the reason that people don't understand it is because you really don't want to understand it. So despite that I'm going to use a case history today fundamentally to illustrate the state of mind that you have to occupy in order to be willing and ready to commit. Any atrocity that might be demanded of you under any circumstances whatsoever. the best way to think about the human thirst for war At least at the level of analysis that I'm capable of. His to think about it as a personality lots of the states of mind that possess us can be reasonably thought of as a personality. So if you're angry, for example. You can think of yourself as possessed by Ares or Mars whose the God of War. Or if you're hopelessly in love and making a fool of yourself, well, then you're possessed by Eros or Cupid or Venus and that really is how archaic people pre-scientific people? Viewed the proclivity of people to occupy states of mind that we're quite different than those that were characteristic of their normal personality Freud really capitalized on that idea and modernized it in some sense because Freud viewed the human being as in some sense a Loosely United collection of sub personalities. We don't tend to conceptualize states of mind anymore. As personalities not in the scientific literature, but we do all the time in literature and drama and movies. And that sort of representation is extraordinarily compelling weirdly enough. You'll pay to watch it and it is very strange if you think about it because if the Specter of pure destructiveness is laid out in front of you on a stage, there's no logical reason to assume that you would voluntarily expose yourself to that to that and pay for the privilege of doing so But you do and the reason for that one of the reasons for that. Is that you need to know what that personality is partly so you can recognize elements of it if they manifest themselves in front of you or within you and partly because you really can't understand good. Until you understand evil. And so if you're ever wondering why why good itself seems to be such a limited resource. It's worthwhile remembering that you don't get there without. Going somewhere. You don't want to go first. And so that's where we're going to go today. I'm going to start with a Shakespearean quote. Seems appropriate from Titus andronicus which is a very violent play to play that's essentially about vengeance and one of Shakespeare's characters says why should wrath be mute and fury dumb. I am no baby. I that with base prayers. I should repent the evils I have done. Ten thousand worst that ever yet. I did would I perform if I might have my will? If one good deed in all my life, I did I do repent it from my very Soul. It's not the sort of thing that you want to hear. Someone say to you. we look for reasons why people might be votive ated to commit atrocious Acts. and given our cultural standpoint at present. We're often looking for sociological reasons. Poverty which does not read Violence by the way relative poverty, which does lack of Education ignorants. we very seldom consider intent or voluntary intent because the idea is that people could voluntarily and consciously intend destructiveness is a very frightening thought, especially when you realize that if people could do that to the degree that you're a person you could also do that and understanding that people could do that and that you could means that you might Be morally obliged. To undertake a very thorough examination of the motives for your own behavior. The personality that I want to talk to talk about today. It's composed of a downward spiral tonight. I think that's why people people have always envisioned hell in some sense as a bottomless pit. Hell is the bottomless pit because no matter how bad it is. There's some stupid thing you can do to make it worse. And so the spiraling is indicative of a positive feedback loop where a causes B & B causes C and then C causes a and everything moves out of control. The case study that I want to present to you today. It's one of the more literate of the Columbine killers whose name was Eric Harris people wonder why the mass Shooters do what they do, which in some sense is quite surprising to me because if you read what they say, they tell you why they do what they do. Now why people don't believe that is not clear to me except that I think that if you do take them at their word. raises all sorts of spectres that we would rather have hidden Eric Harris became possessed. I would say of his own free choice. Buy a personality that was composed of ideological rigidity Pride resentment. deception and vengefulness I'm going to read you some of his comments about government systems. Here's Harris his comments with regards to ideological rigidity like the early Nazi government. My brain is like a sponge sucking up everything that sounds cool and leaving out all that is worthless. That's how Nazism was formed and that's how I will be to Hitler and his head boys messed up a few times and it cost them the war but I love their beliefs and who they were what they did and what they wanted. I love the Nazis, too. By the way, I can't get enough of the swastika the SS and the Iron Cross. It's not that he didn't understand the Nazis. He understood them perfectly. Well, whatever else you might say about Eric Harris. He wasn't stupid Pride people parents cops. God teachers telling me what to do thinks a act and everything else just makes me not want to do it. That's why my nickname is Rebel Raab actually. No one is worthy of anything unless I say they are I feel like God. I wish I was having everyone being officially lower than me. I already know that. I'm higher than almost anyone in the world in terms of universal intelligence. I feel ever more confident stronger and more Godlike and I have confidence in my ability to deceive people. I've thought too much realized too much found out too much and I'm too self-aware to just stop what I am thinking and go back to society because what I do and think isn't right or morally accept it. No, no. No, I would sooner die than betray my own thoughts. But before I leave this worthless place, I will kill whoever I deemed unfit for anything at all. This is from Paradise Lost. the great poem by John Milton These are the words that he puts into the mouth of Satan after he's flung from heaven for daring to oppose and attempt to transcend the most high as his desire was not only to be like God but to be superior to God and in some sense, he's a symbol in some very important since he's a symbol or a representation you could say which is more accurate of the ultimate in intellectual Pride, which says everything I know is sufficient. And there's nothing Transcendent beyond that. Milton has Satan say farewell. Happy Fields where Joy forever dwells hail Horrors hail infernal world and thou profoundest he'll receive thy new possessor. One who brings a mind not to be changed by place or time. Resentment I've noticed in my clinical practice that there are two three. Character logical elements from their really do people in and weirdly enough. They're not really listed in the psychiatric list of diagnosis and they're often also not discussed as causal elements in the Genesis of mental illness and suffering even though in my experience. They're actually the primary causes arrogance, which is I already know enough. deceit, which is I can twist the fabric of reality in my favor for my individual wants and I can get away with it which goes along with pride and arrogance and then resentment which is The world is tragic, which is of course true. The world is unjust and tragic which is more debatable and the Injustice and tragedy of the world is aimed at me specifically and unfairly. Well, that's just not true at all. Resentment I hate you people for leaving me out of so many fun things and no don't say well that's your fault because it isn't you people had my phone number and I asked and all but no no, no, don't let the weird-looking Eric kid come along. Oh, no. Few people could have shown more respect treated me better asked for my knowledge or guidance more treated me more like a senior and maybe I wouldn't have been as ready to tear your heads off Milton again Paradise. Lost has Satan say the more I see Pleasures about me so much more. I feel torment within me as from the hateful Siege of contraries all good to me becomes Bane and in heaven much worse would be my But neither here seek, I know nor in heaven to dwell and less by mastering is heaven Supreme nor hope to be myself less miserable. By what I seek but others to make such as I go there by worse to me redound for only in destroying. Do I find he's to my Relentless thoughts. Eric Harris again then again. I have always hated how I looked I make fun of people who look like me sometimes without even thinking sometimes just because I want a rip on myself. That's where lot of hate grows from. This is Richard 3 from Shakespeare Richard the third I shall despair. There is no creature loves me. And if I die no soul. Will Pity Me Not a whit wherefore should they since that I myself find in myself no pity to myself. Deception. You know what? I feel like telling about lies. I lie a lot almost constantly and to everybody just to keep my own ass out of the water. And and by the way, I don't think I'm doing this for attention as some people may think Let's see. What are some big lies. I've told ya I stopped smoking. Yeah, I'm sorry for doing it. Not for getting caught. No, I haven't been making more bombs. No, I wouldn't do that. And of course countless other ones. Yeah, I know that I hate liars and I am one myself. Oh, well, it's okay if I'm a hypocrite but no one else because I'm higher than you people no matter what you say and if you disagree I would shoot you. If you take the personality elements that we've already discussed and you mix them up and you let them run as a process you get the positive feedback loop that I was describing earlier and it goes something like this and I learned this in part from the analysis of the story of Cain and Abel in Genesis. The first story about real human beings is the story about Cain and Abel because Adam and Eve were made by God, right? So, you know, you can't really call them normal humans Cain and Abel or the first humans and Pain is very resentful and deceitful and vengeful. And the reason for that which it's clearly explained in the story is that cane sacrifices aren't accepted by God. Now it's hard for modern people to understand. What a sacrifice is because why would you offer up to God some Bert remnant of an animal for example, but you know people along while back acted things out before they could understand them and they had a more concrete view of the world and they assume God was in the cosmos because if you look up in the night sky, especially if it's dark it overwhelms you you see the Transcendent and the infinite and so it's the sensation and experience of that. Allows for the attribution of God and his dwelling place to the heaven. So that's not so ridiculous because you do see the infinite when you're out under the sky at night in the dark. And if God's up there since smoke Rises if you burn something, well God can tell if what you're offering is of quality or not. Now we have the psychological equivalent, which is I asked my students what sacrifices did your parents make so that you could go to university and of course they can answer that and no time flat and whether that sacrifice work depends on how well the child doesn't University but what that essentially means is that the sacrifice of the parents found favor well with reality, but you can substitute God for that with no loss of meaning and so modern people who obviously believe that You sacrifice properly then reality will shine its benevolent face on you. Otherwise, we wouldn't work. So we're not so different from those archaic people now Kane make sacrifices and God doesn't like them. Now the story's a bit ambivalent about why it might just be the gods arbitrary. I mean, it's there's no shortage of arbitrariness on the part of God in the Old Testament, which is part of the reason that people have modern people have trouble with that book because they say well I could never believe in a god whose that arbitrary or even cruel but the ancient Israelites weren't that foolish. They knew that life could be that arbitrary cruel no matter what you believed so they could be that God just has it in for Kane or it could be the cane is just not really offering up the best quality sacrifices. And so he's trying to pull one over on God and everyone else and in fact, that is what God accuses him. If you read the story very carefully. Kane is mad because Abel's getting everything and everyone loves able. Lots of crops his flocks are flourishing all the girls. Love them. Plus. He's a really good guy. So you can't even hate him with good conscience, which is extremely annoying especially to Kane. So King goes and has a chat with God. He says what kind of stupid place if you made here evenings reality. I'm like working myself to the Bone and you know, all I get is the dregs and then there's old able out there and you know everything he touches turns to gold. What's up with you which is kind of arrogant if you think about it, right because he is talking to God after all it isn't clear that cane understands everything about being and there's always the possibility that it's Keynes fault and not Gods but that isn't a hypothesis that Kane is willing to entertain so God says to him basically sin, which means to miss the Bullseye by the way crouches at your doorstep. Like a predatory and sexually aroused hunting cat and you invited in and let it have its way with you by which he means not only is Kane attacked by sin so to speak but that it's a creative Union sort of attack sin comes in and Cain plays with it and develops it and puts his own twist on it. He produces something new out of it. It's obvious to K in that God isn't willing to take responsibility for the terrible state of being as a consequence of this accusation. And that makes them extremely mad extremely mad. And he kills Abel and then if you follow the story closely, you can see that God tells everyone else to leave Jane alone. Don't don't kill him. And the reason for that is that there's a propensity for that kind of vengeful killing to expand exponentially out into the community which in fact Is what happens in the story of Cain and Abel and the and the last one of Cain's descendants named is actually tubal-cain and he is by tradition. The first person who makes weapons of war. So the idea is that individual resentment manifested as homicidal rage is the precondition for the spread of that mode of being into the broader community and the danger there is that will degenerate into everyone against everyone. Harris morale is just another word and that's it. I think we are all a waste of natural resources and should be killed off and since humans have the ability to choose and I'm human. I think I will choose to kill and damage as much as nature allows me. So take that eat Napalm and led someone's bound to say what were they thinking when we go Natural Born Killers or when we're planning it. So this is what I'm thinking. I have a goal to destroy as much as possible. So I must not be sidetracked by my feelings of sympathy Mercy or any of that keep this in mind. I want to burn the world. Now part of the reason that Cain kills Abel is because Abel is favored by God. And so Kane is actually not only taking resent revenge against table and against his own insufficiency and to get suffering. He's actually taking revenge against God and being itself and that's actually what he wants to do. Hate I'm full of hate and I love it. I want to grab some weak little freshmen and tear them apart like a wolf show them who's God strangle them squash their head bite their temples into the skull rip off their jaw rip off their collarbones break their arms in half and twist them around the lovely sounds of Bones cracking and flesh ripping so much to do in so little chance God I want to torch and level everything in this whole area but bombs of that size are hard to make and plus I would need a fully loaded 810 to get Restore on wodsworth and all the buildings downtown picture half of Denver on fire just for me and vodka who was his partner Napalm on sides of skyscrapers and car garages blowing up from exploded gas tanks. Oh man, that would be beautiful. Yes. The human race is still indeed doomed. It just needs a few kickstarter's like me if I can wipe a few cities off the map then great. If you recall your history, the Nazis came up with a final a solution to the Jewish Problem Kill them all well in case you haven't figured it out yet. I say kill mankind. No one should survive. So I'll close this briefcase history with a quote from Goethe from Faust and in Faust. The figure of Satan is played by Mephistopheles. And Mephistopheles in dirt has formulation is a very arrogant intellect. And he has a CREDO which is the articulated formulation of the values that he lives by. The spirit I that endlessly denies and rightly too for all that comes to birth is fit for overthrow as nothing worth. We're for the world were better sterilized. Thus all that's here is evil recognized is gained to me and downfall. Rude and sin the very element I prosper in. So you can see in that the actuality the actuality is not only what Harris wrote and meant but also what he did and what he was planning to do which was much more destructive than what he actually managed. You see his state of possession by a set of infinitely destructive desires and wishes. And you see the continual representation of that pattern of action and thought in literature. That's Evil versus good. Classically that's what the world is. That's what the cosmos is. It's a place where evil and good continually battle eternally battle and although we don't believe in such things anymore or more accurately. We don't know what we believe we still are inclined to watch that drama present itself on stage in Endless variations. and the reason for that is that it's true. You can't understand the human capacity and desire for atrocity without viewing it through a metaphysical lens. You can't understand someone like Eric Harris or the countless others who are possessed. So to speak in exactly the manner that he was without using dramatic or religious language because You cannot formulate either the question or the answer with enough profundity without that kind of representation. Now I wouldn't say that the motives that I've discussed constitute the only reasons for the human thirst for war, but I can tell you that you'll never understand the desire for atrocity. Without coming to grips with the problem of evil. Thank you. You're listening to ideas in Canada on CBC Radio One on Sirius XM across North America and around the world on cbc.ca. I'm Paul Kennedy. What is it that drives us to violence murder and War these are some of the most puzzling corners of the human personality and with the help of William. Shakespeare and John Milton psychologist, Jordan Pederson has been exploring the mind of murder specifically the mind of Columbine killer Eric Harris. This is a history of violence and time now for my conversation with Jordan Peterson and for some audience questions, I want to begin I guess sort of where you began and I'd never heard the words of Eric Harris before and I have to tell you I found them chillingly frightening. It was interesting though to then here you quote and had the the quotation so opposite and so perfect matching quoting from Milton and quoting from Paradise Lost. I believe my undergraduate memory of studying that Masterpiece is that and I think this is a school of critical thought as well. Milton apparently liked Satan more than he liked any of the other characters in that in that amazing work of modern interpretation. Why would that be modern and what do you mean by that? Well, because Milton was a genius and the way he represented Satan in Paradise Lost was as a rebel and he didn't paint them in black and white so to speak he gave him all the attributes than an admirable Rebel would have and people enjoy identifying with the figure of the admirable Rebel. But what what Satan was rebelling against wasn't An admirable Rebel would rebel against he wasn't rebelling the way Christ say rebelled in his time against the increasing tendency of the religious state to become dogmatic and tyrannical Satan was rebelling against the idea that there was something that exceeded his power and that was Transcendent. Well human beings do that all the time, especially modern human being so the idea that that Satan's and admirable character. I think can't be placed at Milton's feet. He opened the door to That interpretation and that's a good thing because part of for example, the reason that these modes of thinking were so powerful and compelling to Harris was that they I allowed him the possibility of construing himself as an admirable Rebel even though what he was was a momentary embodiment of the Eternal desire to obliterate everything. And those are characters that exist. I mean Eric Harris is not alone there. So he had he had Partners in Columbine. He has Admiral admirers on the web of no small number and not only does he exist out there. He also exists in here like the thing that he represents. The thing that he embodied is not it's a permanent element of the human psyche. It's ineradicable. It's Eternal. It's archetypal. It's structural. So and why it's structural. It's Paris does a good job of explaining everyone knows that life is tragic and everyone knows that to exist is to suffer and one logical and appropriate response to that is to be grateful in spite of your suffering and attempt to make the best of it and perhaps to alleviate that where you can and another is to take the perspective of Just off lease and to say no no. No the whole thing's flawed right from the beginning if this much suffering is the price of being then we should just eradicate the whole mess. and people think like that all the time. I'm curious you work not only as an academic professor of psychology. You also have a practice your view have a clinical practice. Is there any possible use for these great icons of Western or Eastern any literature which all have in them as you say the sort of balance or opposition of Good and Evil? Is there any possible clinical use for that? So if you see people who are really in trouble Like really in trouble. You can't address their problems without using archetypal language. It's not possible. So for example, I had a client who lived in a Web of Lies that was pretty much infinite. I tried for years to get to the bottom of it familial lies. The lie was we love you and we're helping you when the truth was. You should have been born a boy and we've hated you ever since you were born, but we're not going to tell you that and we're not gonna let anyone else know that because we need a facade of benevolence know and for her this person to even begin to understand what was going on in our family. There was no escaping archetypal language. I mean, it was hellish people died in that house and I made very little Headway. Every time I got to the bottom of some absolutely horrendous betrayal. Betrayers were in Dante's Inferno they were right in the center of hell, right. They were the worst of the criminals so to speak I'd get to the bottom of some god-awful decades-long brilliantly played betrayal and there'd be another one at the bottom of that. I was wondering specifically the whether you'd actually used texts in conversation patients. Yeah, so you would talk about Faust or you know, lots of my patients have come from a Backgrounds, I mean one of them was a relatively unsuccessful chaplain who was suddenly fired from her job and then was hit by a car. So that wasn't a good day all in one day. Yes. Yes, and there was just there was no escaping the religious Dimension mean the thing about religious the religious Dimension sits at the bottom of life. We people don't understand that they think it's a set of superstitions. It's like it's not a set of superstitions or if it is then you might ask yourself a why do you continue to go see it played out time and time again on stage is what are you just entertaining yourself? It's like you're not whether you know it or not. You're educating yourself. You're seeing near archetypal representations of the structural elements of human behavior laid out for you by Geniuses dramatically and part of the reason that you get the information. That way is that you're not smart enough to understand it. Lee and neither is anyone else it's so complicated that even now all we can really do is see it played out. It's very difficult for us to transform that into fully articulated philosophy. And it took me 15 years of work three hours a day to develop the ideas that and really like that was every day. I was thinking about this obsessively for four decades and it took me that long to reach the level of articulation where I could tell well the sort of story I told today it's like it's complicated material. It's also predicated on the idea which I believe to be true is that reality itself is a forum for action. It's not a place of objective things and I believe that I also believe that if you're a true darwinian, you have to believe that because Darwin believed that we are selected for survival as a consequence of our actions and so our actions are what actually constitutes To the fundamental truth you live or die by your actions? Well actions have patterns we have character. We have a nature. That's why you can well that's why dramatic representations can be distributed worldwide and everyone understands them and they only understand them in some sense innately and were drawn to them. I remember I showed Pinocchio to my son when he was about four Pinocchio is a story about confronting chaos and rescuing history in order to become a genuine human being that's Pinocchio. To the bottom of the ocean to confront chaos in the form of a whale and he rescues his father and that makes him a fully developed human being that's a story that the Egyptians told 4,000 years ago. It's a very old story my son must watch that 30 times, you know, he was really in some sense obsessed with it. Well, not really Pinocchio has so much information and you can barely begin to calculate it and you know, you could tell that by watching its effect on someone whose mind was just starting to Develop, he was terrified of that whale but he wouldn't stop watching it. You know, we used to tell them keep your eye on the hero right? Because you know, what should you show your children frightening things? Well, The world is frightening. You going to shelter them from that then all you do is launch them out into the world, like like edible pray. It's a bad idea. So, you know, you have to tell the children what to do and that's to keep your eye on the hero because despite the fact that it's dangerous he prevails that's the story of humanity. It's not while the heroes, you know quivering at the back of the cave, you know, waiting for someone else to do the Dirty Work. I guess I'm wondering how we might take the archetypes you're talking about in literature and theater in art and creative world and somehow connect them with the other kind of world. We're watching all the time on television. And as you say we are in a world where many of these things are being acted out right before our eyes and it's horrifying to watch this horrifying to watch television for me these days anyway as it would be to read Eric Harris. And how could I connect what I might learn if you if you mean I tried to take apart the reasons for atrocity in Warfare. Particularly. I was trying to understand how the world could have come to the point in about 1984 where we were locked in mad. Right Mutual assured destruction mode thought how in the world is that the world that we could have constituted the world so that were aiming at each other's Mutual destruction. With a weapon capacity that was exponentially beyond that it seemed like a mystery and I tried different levels of analysis, you know, because my first degree was political science, so I tried political and economic and and and sociological and until I got to the psychological and then to the psychodynamic. I didn't really have much luck because you see what I was trying to understand for example wasn't so much. Territorial War, you know, I can kind of understand you have something I want it. So, you know a pussy out of the way animals do that. I mean, it's not it's by no means right, but it's understandable. But there are there are endless stories say about occurrences in the 20th century some of them that you can't even read without developing post-traumatic stress disorder of gratuitous violence. So one example, that's always haunted me. It's an example from My sweats was that game that the guards used to play there where you know that the people that were being incarcerated would arrive at the camps and course, they're already terrorized and half dead or completely dead and ripped out of their lives and thrown in with people. They don't understand and whose language they don't speak and Demolished in multiple ways and you know, they'd have them carry wet socks of salt on their backs from one side of the compound to the other and back. It's like, okay just exactly why do you want to do that? Well, That's a messy question. You know when I don't think you can understand it until you understand understand the part of you that could do that. and one of the horrifying things about this line of Investigation is that that part exists and you could understand it, but you probably won't and it's no bloody Wonder. so when I started the psychological investigation, I read a lot of Mythology a lot of work on comparative religion and see the religious stories are the fundamental narratives, you know, they sort of if you think of Behavior or or drama as having a grammar. The grammar of behavior and drama is religious. And the reason it's real it's religious because it's the grammar, you know, you can't go any deeper than that. That's how things are like the human being the archetypal human being is a hero voluntarily confronting the unknown. That's what we are and if we're not that we're something else and that is not a good thing. It's also something that I think this is what's really interesting about what you're saying, I would I would say and I may be mischaracterizing civilization or 20th century 21st century political reality. But many people I think given the fact and you say it's a fact and I think it is grounded in something really archetypal and perhaps religious really basic DNA. There's evil and there's good. Most people would want to say, okay. Let's work on getting rid of evil. And I think you got hurt. I think you're saying no, that's not what you have to do. Oh, no, I think that is what you have to do. But you don't do it by getting rid of other people's evil. You get you do it by getting rid of your own like I can tell you an experiment. You can try. This is a great experiment try not to say anything that isn't true for a month, you know, and you say well what about White Lies it's like well, you know, that's your problem. You see if you can figure out how to tell you so, you know, he might say your wife says how do I look in this dress and you know you I think she looks very good. And so you say you look great honey. And that's real good. But that isn't the right answer. The right answer is something like don't ask me manipulative questions. Yeah. I know that's a little look it's a little harsh a and I wouldn't actually formulate it. That way I would say well, you know, I don't answer questions like that or something like that. So the truth wouldn't be that you know, you look hideous in that dress and only a moron would wear it. That's that's not the truth. You know, the truth is more sophisticated than that. That and you know, people are telling lies all the time to spare other people's feelings and they have all sorts of good reasons for it. It's like there are no good reasons for lying you pollute your speech by lying and one of the most fundamental presuppositions of Western culture. And this is I think the most perhaps the most brilliant Discovery human beings ever made is that chaos is transformed into order by the word. And you are all speakers of the word and if you want chaos to be transformed into hell then lie. If you want chaos to be transformed into heaven, then tell the truth fighting evil does matter but it's not corporations. You know, some of them are evil. Obviously some of them aren't you know, it's not corporations. It's not socio-political structure. It's none of those things. It's like fix up. your speech fix up your family. And then if you can manage that which is very difficult, then maybe you could dare to start thinking about something more complex than the family level of organization. You know, I see students all the time whose lives are there are god-awful mess, you know, when they're out protesting about something that's destroying the world. It's like well if we put you in charge Well, you have to decide what you're up to. And you're either trying to make things better or worse. That's it. Those are the options. And if you're trying to make them worse, there's a reason that if you're trying to make them better, there's a reason and so in some sense you decide which side you're on and then then you decide how much you're on that side and a huge part of being on that side is truth. It's the fundamental virtue without truth. You don't know where you are. You don't know what you're doing. Don't know who you are. And the only reason you think you can get away with anything is pride. It's like, you know, I'm smart enough to twist the fabric of reality in my favor. It's like crack. Okay, go ahead. See what happens. It's like the outcome will not be pretty even if you get what you want doing that you'll find out that it doesn't do for you what you thought it would so, you know, it's a Fool's victory. First question from the audience do people tend to take from plays views that reinforce their own position. Even when the play expresses the contrary. Yeah, that's a good that's a really good question art and literature truly subversive and in the in you know, because first of all if it's art it's not propaganda because if it's propaganda, then that's a conscious attempt to change the way you think or look but if it's art then what's happening is the artist is trying to figure something out well, He or she is engaged in the act of artistic production. And then the art object is the result of that exploratory attempt. And the thing about exploring with art is your always exploring things that you don't know because otherwise, why would you be exploring and so part of the reason that art is subversive is because it exists on the border between articulated knowledge and the unknown itself. Like it's the place where articulated knowledge is born. And it's very difficult to criticize art. Right? I mean you can say well one paintings better than another but like what I mean by that is even nihilistic punk rockers like music right music seeps in it's like music helps them Celebrate life to the degree that nihilistic Punk Rockers are capable of doing that and they won't criticize the music like maybe they don't like the lyrics or whatever but you just an idiot if you criticize music as a phenomenological Entity like dance is the same way. These things are in some sense. They're beyond criticism because you actually don't know what they're about. So yeah art is really subversive or transformative, you know, but that's the same thing. This is a question that brings us right up to the present day. I suppose what should be done in Gaza. How do we look at that conflict properly? I don't have an answer for that. I don't think there's anything I can do about Gaza or alternatively I'm doing everything I can about Gaza by talking to you here today. And my conclusion was as I mentioned before when I was trying to figure out what level of analysis was appropriate to conceptualize the greatest of moral problems. So Gaza situation is a good example of that. I always ended up at the individual level. So I would say if you want to help the situation in Gaza be more truthful with your spouse and you'd think well, how can that be connected? But I can tell you how it's connected. You know, you're more. Connected to other people then you think so, you know, we don't live in linear relationships with one another we live in network relationships. So each of you is connected for example pretty directly to about a thousand people over the course of your life thousand people. It's more than that probably but then you think while each of those thousand are connected to a thousand so that's a million. So you're one person away from a million people and then those thousand thousand know what thousands and so your two People away from a billion people and you know the thing that's interesting about a network is that it has as many centers as there are nodes and one of the this is something solzhenitsyn made explicit but one of the implicit presuppositions of the judeo Christian tradition is that each soul is a center of the cosmos you think well can that be true? It's like God only knows what's true what we know about Consciousness. You could put in a thimble. We know nothing about Consciousness. We have an In our understanding fact, we may have gone backwards over the last 400 years like I mean, we know nothing about the relationship of the brain to conscious awareness or virtually nothing bits and pieces here and there Consciousness is an absolute mystery and God only knows where it came from her what it's up do I mean we know some things about human being we are fundamentally explorers of the unknown. That's how we're built. We take things apart and put them together and you know, when we communicate the results of that and we find her in that but don't underestimate the utility of getting your life together. I mean besides you can do that besides you're not going to hurt anyone. If you do that, you'll just make things better. Plus it's kind of humble. It's like you can sweep underneath your bed, you know, you don't have to go out and wave a placard around. I'm against poverty. It's like who's for poverty, you know, so I think you want to fix the world fix your life. It's a lot harder than you think right. It says in the New Testament. It's harder to rule yourself than to rule the city. But why Well turns out you're more complicated than a city. It also turns out that you're more important in some sense than a city and it also turns out to matter what you do with your life. Not it matters for you and it matters for everyone else and it probably matters for the destiny of being mean. That's what it means in some sense to be made in God's image and you know, you think well, I don't take that stuff very seriously. It's like your whole legal system is predicated on that idea. So don't you saying you don't take it? Seriously, you know you presume that you Intrinsic value. It's a presupposition. Right? Well, what is intrinsic value mean? It's grounded in something. It's Transcendent value. And even if you don't believe in it, you act it out and you'll be very annoyed if anybody interferes with your Transcendent value. So who cares what you say, you believe what do you know about yourself? You know, we wouldn't have psychology if we were transparent to ourselves. We wouldn't have drama. You know just because you believe something about who you are, it doesn't make it true. So this is back to Michael here to Eric Harris. What parenting or educational practices helped to develop such extreme arrogance is displayed by somebody like Eric Harris. It's not self-evident that it was parenting per se that produced Harris, you know, and I would hesitate to lay responsibility at his parents feet people make choices and this is a rough one a because we don't have the science for that because the science says well, it's got to be causal in some factors. So you look at sociological or economic causes and you know, there's all these deterministic events on the social side and on the natural side now. Sure nurture. That's all yours nature-nurture. It's like well, maybe not your all's actually nature nurture and consciousness. And Consciousness seems to be able to make choices and the choices seem to matter. So. You can come from a pretty wretched family and a pretty wretched social circumstance where absolutely everything is stacked against you and come out pretty damn good. Most people who abuse their children were abused as children causal, right? Well know most people who were abused as children. Don't abuse their children. The causality only works when you go from the abuse back. Okay. So the pool of abuse people is high most of them don't abuse their children. But if you look at child abusers small pool, most of them were abused but you're not talking about the whole Continuum most people who were abused don't abuse and when you know that because if they did think about it if they did it would spread exponentially and then everyone would be being raised by seriously violent abusive parents and would take no time. I'm at all I can take a few generations and poof. Everyone would be a violent abuser is like that doesn't happen. So weirdly enough the horrors of History don't necessarily accumulate and become transferred and I've seen this in my own practice. Like I have one client who she had a pretty nasty up bringing her mother pretty much did everything. She possibly could to make sure that she had no real self confidence And what she learned from that was not to do that to her son and she raised an excellent son. It's like she had every reason to you know perpetuate her misery as a consequence of resentment and she has some resentment and it's not surprising but she swore man. I'm going to not I'm not going to do this to my son and she did a great job. Like I know her kid quite well and he's she didn't over protect him. That's pretty good. He tells the truth. He's on a career. No, he's got his career going. He's a straightforward young guy and he likes his mom, you know, so good deal but account for that cause Ali the problem is and this is something neat you observed a long time ago. Any event can produce multiple causal Pathways while not any event, but you know any complex event. So determinism, I think the world's too complicated to be deterministic. So on ideas you've been listening to a history of violence and exploration by psychologist, Jordan Pederson. Into the human lust for violence and killing on YouTube. You can find many of his talks at Jordan Peterson videos. This program was recorded at the studio theater of the Stratford Festival. Thanks to Michael Hart Robin Cheeseman Melissa Renault Peter Holland and David Campbell special thanks to ants word Fagor and tonichi Molino and cure loughran if you want to find out more about the show and what's coming up or to comment on anything. 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Welcome to heekin in Animal Crossing podcast your podcast dedicated to all things Animal Crossing episode. 115 is brought to you by James Washington one of our newest patreon patrons today Sergio and I will be answering the week's questions for the 100 day countdown talking about a possible. We you port and the current state of Animal Crossing news, so to begin Hello Sergio. How you doing? Hi Chuy. I'm doing pretty awesome. It's been another really good week. Like honestly this 2020 has been great. And you know, we're not even at the best part of it that's fire is coming up and yet no, I agree with you Sergio. It's just been really good today. Lots of progress was made. I've gotten better mock-up of the calendar now, all the art is in for the show for the next couple of months and then I hit 10,000 subscribers on YouTube. So You know, yeah. Yeah big thing and I'm really happy that people are enjoying our show and the podcast of obviously, you know, because I mean this started the whole thing and now it's just like it's crazy to know that people are waiting anxiously every Tuesday for the podcast to Papa. I know in all of those people are going to be you know with us through this 7 plus year your name for New Horizons. Yeah, it's been so long, but we're nearly at the end. They're essentially we've got seven Friday's left without this game. Which means on the 8th Friday will be good. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like there was something else. I wanted to tell you. Oh, yeah, I beat Pokémon as well. I finally finished it off. Oh, that's right. That's right. Yes. I streamed it over the last two days because oh my goodness that anything is long. Yeah. It's kind of too long. I kind of wish they Change things around a bit. Yeah it is and you know, maybe I'll talk about that a little later. But who knows for now I beat Pokemon and I'm happy that I can spend the rest of my two months playing Luigi's Mansion and Fire Emblem all nice. Nice. Yeah. So, I mean, that's basically what's going to get me through these next eight weeks seven weeks that we've got left. It's it's not long now. Yes. Yeah essentially 8 So days left of the podcast before this game comes out, we're gonna have to do a live show pretty soon. Yes. Yes. Yeah. I'm thinking yeah, very soon. We're gonna have a whole celebration Extravaganza coming cool. So let's go ahead and answer some of these questions for the week. We've got seven brand new questions to count down from day 58 through 52. So yeah as per usual we're gonna just be going through that one. Read a countdown and let's see what the questions are. The first question is from day 58. And that question was your favorite museum artwork. So Sergio, what do you have to say about this one? Mine is the capitoline wolf also known as the motherly statue. It's the that statue of a wolf that has to baby like creatures beneath it if it's the real one if it's the fake one, it only has one. I really like it because it's a wolf, but it's also because you It's an animal and it matches Animal Crossing. So I like yeah. Yeah, I think what's cool about that one too is that this is the first game will essentially new Leaf was the first game to actually have statues and sculptures for the artwork before then. It was yeah it before then it was all portraits and paintings, you know, right? So I think they added like a lot of really cool things with that. This one was actually my second choice on but I decided Go with another one because I saw you already picked. This one. I probably would have picked it but I went the more Classic route with mine and I said the dynamic painting which is based off The Great Wave off Kanagawa Hokusai. So it's the of course famous. I mean all of these are very famous pieces that they have but this one's the more Japanese painting with the wave over the mountain and right, you know how you can tell if it's fake or not is if you if the mountains Is bigger or smaller? Oh, yeah. Smaller Mountain. I think it's the real one. Yes. Yeah, but it's pretty fun that both of ours have like the different alternate version right now because and I like that they approached the artwork this way a new Leaf because before it was like you could put it up in your place and it looked normal essentially, but then you'd go talk to blathers and he'd be like, oh it's a fake and then you'd put it back up in your place and it looked like really messy, you know. Oh, okay. Yeah, so it didn't really capture that like it was a fake because it was just like, you know remade in some way. Yes. So the new Leaf versions are like here's the slightly different version of it so we know it's fake because it's different right now. So yeah. No, that's how they essentially do the differences in the older games. And I remember being like what I would have noticed that if it looked like that before I turned again I can tell this is a A fake come on. Yeah, honestly, I'm hoping they change them around this time like the difference is I hope they make them different this time. So we don't know what to expect them. Yeah, and I I mean it's still be really fun to have that idea run through because you never know if they're gonna change it up again and just take it out. But right I think they'd I think they'd keep it going, you know, yes. Yeah. So anyways, the next question is for day 57 and the question was Your favorite holiday special characters. So these are special characters who essentially are, you know, they only appear during a holiday. It's different than other characters special characters. Like is it Katie? The little cat that comes every once in awhile or Phineas? You know, whenever you got a badge they come just when they come but these other special characters come specifically for a holiday. So who's your favorite here? My favorite is jingle. Hi gotta go with the classic in You know, I believe in his cause basically a of gift-giving. It's pretty awesome. And he's just like the classic reindeer, you know, perfect for toy day. Yeah use the black nose reindeer it right? Yeah. I really like a jingle that probably would have been my choice to I feel like you're getting a lot of the choices that I would have made this time around but I was like, you know, I gotta go with something that's like it's probably not. My favorite aesthetically because he's actually kind of creepy but it's definitely my favorite in terms of like what is this? Right? So I went with Zipper T Bunny famous for having a big creepy bunny mask and zipper down the back and you know, there's there's a lot of possibilities about whose Zipper T Bunny is I like to think that t in the middle is a clue is Right Mortimer. Is it took to KK? Is it who else do we have? There are a lot of characters, right? Yeah start with the T. You know, I guess who do you think is a purty bunny is oh, man. Hey, I gotta think it started. My her just wants to be back in town, you know in the spotlight a little bit. But yeah, he definitely doesn't like it when you look at the shipper. Yeah, and it wouldn't be the first time that tortimer is dressing up either because we do have Corner myrrh in wild world who does the A Corn Festival, you know, which honestly that's one of my favorites for sure to I just love that. It's so clearly tortimer, right? Yeah. Okay. So question for day 56 was what is your favorite cake a slider song Sergio? What is your favorite? Nice a silly question. This one? My favorite is KK Modi introducing new. Leaf as soon as I heard it it was an instant classic. It hit me right in the fields. It's so emotional very nice way. It's like a love song. I Like to imagine that it is so yeah KK Modi. Yeah, and that's a good pick. I actually remember asking you what your top 5 favorites were and you gave me a list very quickly because I mean obviously that's something you're going to know all the time. But yeah, most of it was because I was getting One of those music boxes that had a little kick a slider print on it is but I knew I wanted to make sure I got you a song that you liked a lot, right? Yeah Okay cool. So my favorite is KK Jazz and this is yeah. This is one that Pete mentioned last week when he was on the show and I just agree with them. I just like that song a lot. It's even the intro I'm opening up to so that nice. Yeah, I think I think it's a great song. I think the lot of fun and it just makes you feel good when you're listening to it. Yeah, and I want to say that was one of the originals right from population growing. Yeah. Yeah, it's been throughout the games. Yeah. Yeah, and you know I and I think this one recently became my favorite because I would normally say kick a techno-pop, correct? Yeah, just because I have like that that songs got history for me. I Ran into cake a slider my first time and I was just like dude play whatever you want and then he played it and I hated it. I was like, what is this? This is I don't know and then I put it I put the, you know, the bootleg in the one that he sneaks into your pocket for free and then I listened to that and I was just like, oh, this is the I get it now. So now I do still really love KK techno-pop, but I think Jazz has recently taken the lead for me. Me so day 55. The question is if you could add a new fruit to the game, what would it be Sergio? What are you thinking? I'm thinking limes or Lemonis in Spanish because you know lemon is nice but you might agree with me that you know, we won the green ones. We want the little green ones that lives here Lee Lehman over there where the the names are switch. I don't know why so I would want those, you know that they have different different. Of taste and I do prefer lives. Yeah, there's there's a lot of room for them for sure because you know, there's a lot of fruits that I'm surprised. They haven't added yet to write. So for me I said just in general berries on bushes. I don't I guess it didn't really matter what kind of berries but when they introduced the bushes in New Leaf when I saw those I was like, oh obviously you're gonna be putting these on the berries on these, you know, like it seemed like yeah the thing to do when you did that but they didn't and I was like what come on. It's like what are you thinking? Right? Yeah. So just in general berries on bushes that that's what I want and that would be a very nice opportunity for a Pokemon crossover because Pokemon has so many different Mary types. Yeah, that's true. They have just berries all over the place. So yeah, no definitely you can do a Pokemon cross over there. All right. So where was I day 54, correct? Yes. Awesome. So day 54. This one's an evil question copper or Booker. What are you thinking Sergio? Yeah, this this was definitely a tough choice, but I'm gonna go with copper because I mean I do like Booker but I think he's just a little too careless. I little too much I know copper is also a little too, you know, Lenient to strict, but I would prefer that and honestly, I think part of that is because I had Booker in my data so I'm kind of due for a change. Yeah. Yeah, I guess you're right. I definitely had Booker as well. But I said Booker still just because I think I really like his carelessness and kind of the way he approaches things like from throughout the games whenever I remember the first time walking into essentially the police station and you know you talk Copper who's always standing outside ready to give you the latest news on the goings-on around town, you know? Yeah and you're like, oh how professional the very cool and then you walk in and there's this guy just you know, keeping watch over the lost and found and he's like, well, yeah, I guess you can take that it I don't think that's a problem. And so he's just like, you know, he's giving stuff away all the time. Yeah, so and you know, like even if he leave that stuff it never gets claimed. So it's Right there for you to take it and the whole thing is just like a little joke with him being kind of a bad cop, right? Yeah and by bad, I mean like not great at his job. So yeah, I like I love them both though. I really hope they don't yes separate the two. Yeah, that'd be great. Yeah, because I think it's just such a bummer that you either go with like the modern style police station with copper or you go with More rustic one with Booker and I'm just like not just give me just give me both of them. I don't care. Yeah, if and let me just customize the look of the police station anyways, so, yes, they'll be idea. Yeah. So yeah, that's basically the thing with that one and it was it was very hard to get the police station in that game. It just like it took time it took effort. Yeah. Well not really just really had to get lucky. Yeah. All right. So Dave 53. The question is your favorite special interaction and there's some examples here like hide-and-seek lost objects overheard conversations Museum or shop Wanderers. What did you pick for this? I picked hide and seek. I don't know if it was introducing New Leaf of or if it was there before. If not, I would guess maybe city Folk introduced it. But man, I remember the first time it happened in nearly if it actually happened like about six or eight months into the game for me. And I was blown away like Bianca asked me. Do you want to play hide-and-seek? And I was like wait what that's that's that's possible here. And I love that. She was really tricky. She hid behind a three I had a hard time finding her. So I very fondly remember that first time in yeah, definitely my favorite interaction. Yeah, that's one of the really fun ones to I like that they put the pressure on there by putting a timer and everything. So it just makes it very hard to find them for sure. My favorite it's another one that this one's pretty rare and it's one that wasn't listed in the examples, but it's essentially whenever you got sent on a mission to find another villager and bring them back to a villagers house essentially be talking to them inside of their house and then they'd be like, oh, can you bring so-and-so over I need some I have something to say to them, you know. Yeah, and so you go and get them they follow you to their place you both walk in and then you get to see this like really fun conversation. Out and everything. Yeah, so that one to me like it mixes a lot of things where it's like kind of hide and seek because you don't know where they're going to be and then on top. Yeah, and then on top of that it's like it's one of those surprise interactions like sometimes you run by villagers and they're just already talking, you know, so yeah, I feel like it makes has those too and it makes it pretty fun. Yeah. Mmm. Yeah, so day 52 the question was Will you be sharing your town with someone? What are you thinking Sergio for me? It's know at least on the local side of things. But definitely like I mentioned before I'm going to be gathering a ton of resources and I want pretty much anyone that's interested to have at it if you will, so everyone is welcome. Awesome. Yeah for me. It's a maybe it's a maybe a Mario. But yeah. No, I don't know how we're going to To go about playing because I know I want to get Jackie into the game and start playing it as well. So we'll see how we approach it. But yeah, maybe she might play in my town. She might have her own. So we're going to see what happens with that. Yeah. So anyways, either this week's questions were pretty fun. We're getting really close essentially two days away now from 50 days. Can you believe that is that's crazy. It is insane how Close we are to this point now, it's been it's been a long wait. It's been essentially September 2018 was when we heard about this game and it took them nine months to tell us something but of course we're going to talk about music a little bit later. So Sergio you came up with a real fun discussion for this next topic. What are you thinking? So it's it has to do with some rumors that having floating out there. Originally it All Began by a rumor by Emily Rogers who is pretty well-known, you know for getting Nintendo information right ahead of time in some rumors that most of the time in the being correct. So she mentioned that there are two more games that are gonna get we a ports from the Wii U to the switch. There were no other specifics so we don't really know what's going on. But I'm a member of the IGN NBC podcast Pierre. He talked more about it and he kind of gave us more information. He said the secret word. Will you porch that are being discussed one of them is a 9 out of 10 for me in one of them is more of a 6 out of 10. I really like when Nintendo did with their take on real time strategy games and quote. So if there's rumors are to be believed, I think they are and I think that comment about the real-time strategy games. It's most likely tied to the nine out of ten game and if that's the case, I think it's they're talking about Pikmin 3 and that's also been rumored a Pigman game on the switch would be great. But when you look at the other side the six out of ten honestly my first thought when I saw that number I right away went to a Medieval Festival. So it's very possible. You know, it was just it was a Wii U game. It didn't do its best or as well as it could have I think part of it had to do with timing for sure. It came out at a time with people want in our real Main Line Animal Crossing game. So depending if there is a port depending on the time and I think it could do much better. What are your thoughts on? On these rumors. I think I almost feel like they're not really pointing toward Animal Crossing amiibo Festival because I'm surprised you would get a 6 out of 10, I guess to me. I kind of leaned toward like Star Fox Zero maybe that that feels like a possibility to me, but I don't know. I don't know. I'm trying to remember because I listened to the NVC podcast every week and Remember what their thoughts were on Star Fox or other Wii U games, you know, but yeah. No, I mean I'm still like totally open for of course Animal Crossing amiibo Festival coming over but they'd have to make some changes for sure. Right? I just feel like the game as it is now. I don't think I want it again. I want something pretty updated, you know, yes. Yes. Yeah, so but yeah, I think Pikmin that's got to happen. I feel like that's got to happen. But at the same time like it's confusing for it to happen as well because so many people have been waiting for that next Pikmin game. So right that one also falls in the realm of who knows because yeah, but you know, obviously they're saying real time strategy and in tendo's take on it is Pikmin, you know, right? So that's I feel like that just tells us what it is. Yeah, and then the other ones a 6 out of 10. Yeah, and that's that stuff. Like honestly, I cannot really think of any other six out of ten game. You might be on the right track with Star Fox but I think that was a little better than that. I remember that controls were very tricky but the game was really fun. Yeah. Yeah, you know that that is what I've heard about it at least like people who have played it have come out of it going like once you get used to the controls you like it a lot more. Yeah. So it's you know, it can be more positive. But who knows? Yeah. Yeah, so we wanted to discuss a few things. Like you said the game would have to change if it's if I'm evil Festival it since up on the switch and we each have a list if your mind I can go with mine just some changes or additions that we would make to the game if it were to come to the switch. And of course, I think first and foremost I both of you and I have this online play would be a must it has to have that Definitely, I do not want this game. If it doesn't have online play yet this time around. It's just like I don't know. It's it's something that should come standard at this point with all of Nintendo's games simply because like they're already charging for online multiplayer. They might as well make every game have online multiplayer and just up the ante a little bit more make that more appealing for one because you know, a lot of people can still get away. With like just not getting online and doing their own thing which you know, not everybody needs it but occasionally there's that game where you're just like man, I really just wish I could play this online. Why is that not an option? So yeah. Yeah, this one in needs it. I feel like this needs to have online for sure. Yeah, definitely and also related to multiplayer. This would be more of a local Improvement to the experience if you are able to scan with different Trollers, you know either whether it be a Pro Controller or a joy con it would be easier to have multiple controllers that can do the scanning of the amiibo because on the Wii U. It was just the GamePad and you had to either kind of set it on the center table in the neighbor one would scan their me but there or you would pass it around. So I feel like it would be easier if everyone is able to scan the amiibo into their separate controllers. Yeah, you're right because it was kind of annoying having to pass around the the GamePad every time you know. It just didn't seem like I don't know. It just seems like something that you can easily overcome. But at the same time you're like only one of these Joy con sides can scan an amiibo right or you put I don't know. I feel like there's ways around it. That could make it work. Yeah. Yeah, but yeah, but yeah, like passing the controller. I just we don't want to do that anymore and play with her own controller. Yeah, definitely. Then another thing that could happen where this game to come to the switch. It might be time and it would be very nice to have new Animal Crossing amiibo figures. You know, there's there's some key special characters that are missing to have an actual like amiibo figure. This could be the time to bring them. Yeah, there are so many figures that are missing. I get a list on myself all the time just so I can always look back but Yeah, I mean they've and they've only really done the special characters to so the the amount of figures greatly is overshadowed by the amount of cards that are out there. Yes. Yeah, so I'm down for more figures especially ones with like the new costumes for the characters that we've seen so far. So, all right. I think there's room for that for sure. Yeah, and you know speaking of the costumes. I left my best feature for last. I think this would be amazing if they do it. So, you know in amiibo Festival the more you play with a certain I'm able figure you unlock different outfits for that special character. So let's say if they bring this game to switch in their able to connect it to New Horizons. So the costumes are you unlock in a Medieval Festival Plus or whatever they call it what if they carry over to? Horizons and then for example when you see Isabel, she might be wearing her new tradition secure new regular outfit or one of the ones that you unlocked in a Medieval Festival and it will probably be random but it would be a nice way to get them to actually change their outfits like we do in the game, you know. Yeah, that would actually be pretty fun because you have like the villagers that can change their outfits pretty regularly, but the high you know for a long time is about was kind of the only one that did change throughout the year like she had her summer. Her outfit she had her winter outfit and now it does seem like they are giving the special characters at least that but it'd be pretty fun to see them in like other settings and seeing them. We're just their day clothes, you know, yes. Yeah. So I really like that option that idea a lot. It's pretty cool. Yeah, and I like that it's related to just like New Horizons versus it being in amiibo Festival again, right? Yeah. So I guess I should go through my list. Yes. All right. So online play we talked about it. It means it. I just think yes, we need that. My next one is going to sound kind of weird, but it's also weird that it is a thing, but I don't want there to be a need for amiibo with amiibo Festival because it's like a complete barrier to entry for this game. So you cannot buy a copy of a me. So festival and play it without an amiibo. Literally you have to scan in an amiibo figure and Animal Crossing amiibo figure to play it because the the menu like the starting screen actually the starts. Yeah, it does not let you go past that start screen without an amiibo. You have to scan one in and it has to be an animal crossing one and it has to be a figure like you can scan a card either. Yeah, so I mean luckily they overcame that As you know game came packed with one well to Amoeba so that's not a worry. But like if you ever see this game out in the wild do not buy it without an amiibo. You will have to go back to the store and get one. So so yeah, that's kind of what I mean by that but also there's another thing when you're playing the board game mode, you have to roll the dice with your amiibo. You put it on there you hold it and then you remove it and it will roll the dice right? Right. Why why is that the only functionality T this is literally the only thing you do with the amiibo. I just don't think it's needed. You know, it just feels like it's there simply and you know for the most part this game has been admitted to be made just because they wanted to make animal crossing amiibo which duh we wanted them to so that's fine. But like at the same time like come up with something that's a little bit more than yeah, you know. Yeah because you know, like for some people are Actors and they just want the amiibo to have them but like say they got the game and they're like, oh, let me try this game out and then they find out. Oh, I have to open up this amiibo that I don't want to open up because it's like my collector's edition. I am not going to do that. So I'm just never going to play this game, right? But yeah, like I don't know if you're gonna be forcing people to opening opening the amiibo then at least make them do something a little bit more than rolling the dice, which is it's In a button command in Mario Party since the N64 come on. Yeah, we just don't need it to be anywhere. Okay. So the rest of mine they they wouldn't do this. I don't think just because I feel like this these ideas Fall more into the category of amiibo Festival to or just in general brand new Animal Crossing party game. So this first one is I want more minigames and I want minigames to be happen. During the board game. Yes, because if you've played it, you don't play many games during the board game. You literally just roll the dice. I mean, there's kind of mini games when there's like events and characters over and stuff but it's like the most game like they become as like draw this card or guess if the car next card I'm going to draw is higher or lower than this card. It's really it's not in depth or anything. Whereas like instead you could have had like played with The daily activities that you have in Animal Crossing there could be a fishing minigame a bug catching minigame a slingshotting one in art collecting one like you could and I have ideas for these who like the art collecting one you the goal is to pick the right piece of art, they like you get the fake pieces and then the real peace and you have to accurately guess the real pieces more than everybody else, you know, right, right. So yeah, I think there's fun things that you can turn daily activities and to fund many games to play each day, you know, and so like that's what it could be called like it's time for a daily activity at the end of your turn or at the end of the round, you know, and then you get thrown into this little game where it's like catch the most fish and two minutes or something like that, you know, right and so I just feel like that would have been of we really cool thing to do with the game like there's Opportunities there and then even like the holidays they can turn them into fun little activities that you play. So yeah that like I said this idea definitely screams more like oh this needs to be a new game for us trying to Clemente that is because we're not going to do it on this one, you know? Yeah. The next one is I want them to like kind of implement the New Horizons look into it because at this point like you Horizons looks different than what animal crossing. You would have looked like because essentially we got those HD renders in amiibo festival. And yeah, they're really nice. But like the New Horizons ones are just like really nice at this point. At least. I feel like everybody's like now used to the art style and we're just like yes, this game is good. So I would say add some New Horizons costumes for the characters you play as give Nook Timmy and Tommy and Isabelle their new outfits for sure. Sure, and then outside of that I think the board game was nice, but I was always a little bit slat sad that you could only play as a special characters. I think I'd really like to be able to scan in the regular amiibo cards and play as villagers as well. Yes, definitely definitely. So yeah make a new game Nintendo because this is more than important. Yeah, and you know make it fun add some minigames do some cool stuff with it because there's that's just the saddest thing about this. Game for me because I like it. I do think it's really cute. But it's just like it's doesn't play with the concept of Animal Crossing enough for me. Right guys, and you know some extended does like it captures like the daily living type of thing pretty well all the little stories that your characters go through. Those are really nice. But overall, I just feel like there's more aspects to Animal Crossing that have that can be explored, you know? Yeah, and you know, honestly thinking about it in might be based on who made the game. I feel like if somehow they could they were able to get you know, the core development team, too. To be the ones in charge. They know how Animal Crossing is they know what the fence like about it because they are fans themselves. So they would definitely take all of that into account in making really feel like Animal Crossing turn into a board game in a good one this time around. Yeah, for sure. I think they could definitely do some just better stuff with it. And you know, just let somebody who actually really likes Animal Crossing in his Plata and knows the concepts a lot. Make it. Yeah, because yeah, there there a lot of good ideas there that they just didn't get to Right in the last question we have here is do we actually want this we actually want to move a festival on the switch. And if so, when do we want it in? I would say yes. I do want it. I like I said, I feel like a lot of the I mean we can see maybe failure or disappointment. Let's say for a Medieval Festival was the timing it came out at a time when everybody wanted a Mainline game on the Wii U, or at least an enhanced Port of new leaf, and then it Said if we got this in it just wasn't one. Pretty much. Nobody wanted it. You know, we made the most of it but I feel like if it were to come to the switch after New Horizons, it would be a much better experience in with that in mind. I would pick this game as for sometime around January 2021. That's usually when the viewports come out for the switch around January maybe February so I feel like that's enough time between New Horizons in this potential port. People that have been playing New Horizons would get it either, you know, just to experience it if they haven't yet or to get the connectivity that it could offer. So I feel like you know, it's almost a year. I feel like that that's good timing. Yeah, you're right. I feel like if it came out too soon. I don't think anybody would be interested just because like we have this brand new Animal Crossing that already looks so great. And you know, it's going to have eight player multiplayer online already to so in many ways this New Horizons is already with In this game for sure, but I mean if it happens I'd be open to it, but it needs some specific changes and overall. I think they need to revisit this party game idea for Animal Crossing because I think it has so much potential for me and I just want to see it reach that, you know, yes. Yeah, so that's that's basically the main thing. I just want to see it be a real proper interpretation of what an Double-crossing would be as a party game. Yeah, cool. So let's go ahead and move on to the next topic and it is all about Animal Crossing news. So the state of Animal Crossing news to be exactly. Yes. We you know, we are in we're at the end of January at this point. We've seen Isabel tweet once at the very beginning of the month. It's literally been 20-something days. She's last set anything on Twitter and it's just like what is going on is this game coming out in two months and you're just don't care because I because I think I have no doubt in my mind at this point. We're getting the game March 20th 2020. It's not getting delayed at this point. I think it's happening. Yes. It's just like what is going on? Why aren't you talking about it? Like people are starting to forget, you know people out there might not know. What animal crossing is and you're just not putting it out there, you know, right so I didn't have some questions for us to discuss a little bit. So the first one was how do you feel about the news we've gotten so far Sergio? Honestly, I'm a little bit concerned. There's so many thoughts or ideas it speculation as to why things are the way they are right now. Maybe they said you know what? Yeah, we had to delay it this this one time. It's going to be March 20 20 20, but we're going to be you know, right at the deadline will probably not going to have marketing material until very close to release date and maybe that's why we haven't seen pretty much anything. But this week we did see a couple Couple of things. I thought it was very nice to see both bladders in Mabel because you know that kind of tells you yeah, the Able Sisters are coming back. The museum is coming back little things like that. I just I'm I want to see things coming back. I don't want them to cut any features and if we don't see anything, you know people like us, you know, we're going to be a little bit concerned. I know Nintendo could just say well people will find out once they play the game, but I feel like that's not the right approach. So I'm Your concern but I'm optimistic. Yeah. Yeah, and I mean, I think it's good that we're seeing little things here and there but I'm getting to that point where as I'm like is this enough is it is this enough for me to be satisfied and to a lot of extent it is it was exciting to see that like, you know characters like blathers and the Able Sisters are making an appearance because you know, they've been Staples of the series since it He became one so it makes sense for them to come back. But you know as we get closer people are starting to get a little bit worried. They're like what news is they're like is there just like nothing coming back and it's gonna be all brand new but you know people are getting to that point where they don't know but like you I'm also optimistic about it. Like I feel like it just because they haven't said anything doesn't mean it's not quite in there yet because they're always Animal Crossing's a big game. That's meant to be played over a long period of time so I feel like there's always new discoveries as you play, you know? Yes. Yeah. So for me, I guess I'm glad we've gotten news. I like that. We actually got some time during E3 this past year. Well, yeah, I mean it took them nine months, but I was going to be very upset if they didn't talk about it. So I'm glad they talked about it as much as they did and had like The Treehouse segments as well as trailer and I was actually really surprised when they gave us the news in September, you know, I wasn't expecting it. It at that point. I was just like oh, you know, it's they'll probably save stuff for next year now just because the game is so far out at this point, but they showed it in September, you know, but seeing as we haven't gotten anything yet this year. I'm just like okay, they probably showed it to us just to you know, keep us busy for the next 3-4 months. But yeah, I guess it just seems like Nintendo knew we'd be waiting a while and they needed to say something and give us something to hold us up. But yeah, I like what we've seen and since covering a lot more Animal Crossing stuff since this for this release and just like through the podcast and the videos. I've noticed that I feel like a lot of things have come to us a lot easier / earlier. For example, when I think of recently we've been seeing tweets that are showing off like marketing materials at like Walmart and Target and that sort of thing and we're starting to see all of these like really Ali nice renders that we saw just last month, you know, I think it's kind of December they popped up. So yes, it's funny to get like an early look at the renders that were going to be used in a month, you know, and so like to some extent I'm like, oh man. Normally this would have been used as soon as it hit the shelves, you know, like this. This would have been a brand-new thing to look at but now it's like oh, yeah. We already saw this. How did we get this so early but yeah, it's kind of fun. Being how things are playing out this time around covering it more. So it makes me want to just like go back and look through the history of like how Animal Crossing has been marketing marketed, you know, that's right. Yeah, eventually I'll make that video nice. Um, so I guess how do you feel about the amount of news we've gotten well, I would want a little more but I guess the amount is fine, but my I guess my biggest desire about the news is I want to hear it as I say from the horse's mouth. I don't want us to be fishing for information or renders from accessories or even magazine articles. I know those are more official, you know than accessories, but I just want intended to be more open about it. It doesn't have to be a direct if they don't want to do that or they don't have the resources or the timing or what have you. I don't know what their line of thinking might be, but they could always do even just a press release or even An on-the-spot video upload like we wake up in there's a new official video on Nintendo's YouTube about Animal Crossing that could be that would be very significant. I just want to hear it from them directly. Yeah, that's in that helps a lot too because one of those things with that last set of renders that we got like they weren't from Nintendo. It was just from nowhere essentially to some extent is from Nintendo because obviously they're Distributing this stuff right? But yeah, I just want to see it. Nintendo start tweeting about it start talking about it start feeling excited as excited as we are about it. So yeah. No, I agree. I want to see those like random Tweets in during the week in the evening time that always pop up that yeah, so hopefully, you know right for me. I just want more of but of course, I'm going to want more you know, but I remember I do remember going through what I call the drought. New Leaf where they said practically nothing in the three years that we were waiting for that game, so I don't think anything will ever be that bad at least because you know, like essentially we heard about the game in September. I think the worst wait part of that weight was the nine months between September 2018 and III 2019 when we actually got used so yeah, that way it was hard. But from there it was like June we got news September. We got news January. We got news and all this was Is all news straight from Nintendo essentially. Yes, we got the III stuff. We got the direct stuff in September and then there was that one little ad that we got in the beginning of January. So like pretty much every three months. We're getting something which is a very nice change from like once a year. That was New Leaf, you know, right? Um, but yeah, basically just don't we've gotten more than New Leaf. So I'm happy with that, but I can always use more Yeah, so here's another question for you. So like why do you think that Animal Crossing news is so slow to come out. I think the biggest reason is because it's very hard to advertise Animal Crossing especially to new players. You know, how do you convince people that live in another life on a game in paying a mortgage to a raccoon is fun? And I mean we know it is and we cannot wait to do that, but it's very difficult to put it in perspective to somebody that hasn't played and Animal Crossing game and also to somebody that hasn't played a game like Animal Crossing like a life sim a slice-of-life type of game. You know, those are very unique. So I think that's the biggest part of that and it's hard to also advertise to new players and also to defense they're very different markets because usually Animal Crossing fans are very very big fans. So they're looking for something else. That a new player is not looking for so you kind of have to do two rounds of art advertising or advertising in two different ways. I feel yeah. Yeah, and you totally right like we're huge Animal Crossing fans. So the way we also like take news is very different than people who don't know anything about the game because it you know, people make fun of our fandom all the time where it's just like, oh man, they're freaking out over Bridges and noses and kneecaps so, you know, like that's the Animal Crossing fan base like we care about all of these really little insignificant details compared to everybody else. So like, you know, any amount of news they give us is going to be like it's a lot it's a lot for us to handle but you know, like they feel like they need to approach animal crossed that they feel well, I don't know if they need to approach Animal Crossing differently in one way. Yes. I feel like they can say more but I feel like Nintendo itself feels. They don't approach animal crossing the same way. They approach other games and I don't know quite what it is. I feel like maybe it's just their overall thought of what the general gaming audience wants to see you know, and and that doesn't really match up with how What type of game Animal Crossing is. And so maybe they're scared of showing more because they're like, oh, yeah, people are just going to see this and think it's Yeah, but boring game but at the same time I feel like they're always new Animal Crossing players with with each game and everybody who's new to it like takes interest from it from watching like people play the game watching trailers, like first off like the trailers that they show are gonna get people to like look into this game because at first they're probably confused or like what's going on with this game. Yes, and then they go and watch people play it and they're like, oh, I think I The appeal of this. Yeah, but really I feel like nobody actually gets it until they actually play it too. That's true. So, so maybe that's Nintendo thinking maybe they're just like, you know, they're really only going to get it if they play it, you know, but I don't think that should stop them from putting out more news about it and telling people some cool things, you know. Yeah. Yeah, so to kind of jump into this like how would you change the news for Animal Crossing? Oh man. Well if I wasn't intended, I would first and foremost, I would address the fans in by that I mean, I would show everything that is returning from the previous games because I feel like that's their biggest concern. We want to know what's coming back. We just want to confirm that it's coming back. We don't need to know the details, but we just want to know, you know, what stores are coming back. Are they going to be stores? How is it going to be I would address all of that first in a very almost like a quick-fire type of Just showing everything and then the fans are probably gonna re-watch it 50 times over in and they'll catch and all the details that we show, you know, after that you're free to advertise differently to the people that are going to be new to the series. You can take it very slow and focus a lot on how your Island life is going to be in just go from there the fans already going to be satisfied in they're also going to be looking forward to how things are going to start into the new details. So by then they're booked and you can focus on the new players. I feel like that would be the best approach if I was intended at what I would do. Yeah, I think that's pretty cool. I think yeah, I feel like the does go the route of this like here's what the fans want. Here's what the regular people need it. Yeah. So I do like that approach me. I would honestly just be hyping the game up way more than they are. I think Animal Crossing is about the real time clock. I think it's about the daily. Every is in kind of seeing yourself progress over a long period of time, you know, because I think we talked about this a bit with Pete but like one of the walls that a lot of people hit with Animal Crossing is that they can run out of gameplay in a day, you know, and then they think oh man, what am I playing this game for? Whereas you you got an understand that you are going to be playing this game for a very long time like it's intended to be played over a long period of time and You have to see the stuff build up as you go, you know, so my Approach would be to kind of show that off so my plan would be like Monday you show off a cool new recipe for something. We haven't seen yet, you know, maybe it's like just browsing through the catalog and looking at stuff and then being like Oh, yeah. I'm totally going to craft this tomorrow, you know to kind of show like maybe somebody's that already at the end of the day their day and they're like ready to go and hang up the game even though like, you know, that's not us we can't relate to That but but you know, like some people well, so anyways, I'll say I'll crap that tomorrow and then Tuesday rolls around and then it shows them collecting crafting materials. Maybe they can even like team up with their friends and be like, oh, let's collect some crafting materials together and build out this stuff, you know, and then Wednesday you show them going to notebooks and getting it crafted like they've already got all the materials they need and they're like, oh, yeah, let's put this thing together and then Thursday like once it's all crafted. You can show them looking for a spot to place their item. You know and so they place it down. They start setting their space up. And then Friday you show them like being inspired by this area that they found and building it out a little more and then Saturday you come back to it and you show their setting this setting up a lot of things and they've got this whole cute little thing going on and then Sunday, of course, it's the rest day. So you put the characters in you throw some animals in there put this whole recap of the experience. You know, how they got from Point a of this space looking like nothing to point B of this place looking like a really awesome place to hang out. Yeah. So honestly, that's that's how I would approach it. I would just say like this is a game you play a little bit every single day and then after a while you see real progress, you know, yeah, you know what this this gets me. I got a great idea I think because we always say oh Animal Crossing doesn't really demo very well. Well, what if Nintendo does something like this and they put out a demo I would say not the week before maybe two or three weeks before the game comes out and it's a demo that you're going to be playing a little bit every day and you're going to be making the progress that you're describing here or maybe some other side activities, you know, like, oh now that you have been playing for days this other new store opened up check it out and you probably play 15 to 30 minutes of the demo every day and then you play for a whole week in the game tells you this is basically Animal Crossing you play a little bit every day. You can also play A lot every day if you want but it's mostly about coming back every day and hopefully you have been enticed enough. I feel like they'll be a very nice way to do a demo. Yeah, and you know, that's the other thing like everybody always is like Animal Crossing doesn't demo well and it really just depends on how you approach it for sure. I really like this idea of like would if it just limits you to 30 minutes a day like you can do 30 minutes a day per week and that's the demo and people just get to experience like oh man. Man, look at all I did in 30 minutes every day and when they get to that point where the places like all nice and finished and then the demos over and they're just like I cannot wait to play this game. Yeah, you know, no I really I really like that approach a lot. I think that would be a cool thing to get plus we get to play it early. Come on. We want this game so bad Nintendo. Do you know this? I hope you do. So yeah, I don't know but then also like he how you approach it. It can also be a little bit tricky because maybe people already get attached to that map from the demo or like if it's one set one or does it take you through the intro, you know, right because you know, there's some like specifics like once you decide on what you're doing. Like, how are you going to approach that? What are you going to actually allow players to do an experience? So yeah, there's there's only so much but I download that demo and I'd play it. With my eight different profile every day because that would give me let's see four hours of gameplay every day. Yeah. Might as well. Yeah, and then you have two switches you get a good eight hours ago. My my work. Yeah, I would need to get a new Switch right away for that. Nice. Okay, so to close out this little topic, when do you expect news to come? I'm still very hopeful that we're gonna get a direct and I'm not thinking it's going to be Animal Crossing Focus. I think it's going to be a general direct and they're really gonna talk about an Animal Crossing New Horizons a good bit because it's it's going to be the next big release and I'm paying it for before February 20, so that gives us more than a month before release that at that's what I'm still hopeful for awesome. So yeah, I think that's a good amount of time. I am also right there, I think February I'm expecting a February direct at this point. You said before the 20th, which which is a month away in the past. I said an AC Direct on the 20th. I'm still down for them to do that but I'm starting to think that Treehouse that we got at E3 was our Animal Crossing direct all of that's true, which would be sad because I do want more Nintendo. Don't don't get me wrong here. Yeah, but yeah, I think early February so in about I guess maybe This week from from this episode, you know, yeah, maybe we'll get an announcement then if not, maybe the week after that, but definitely the first half of February for me. Nice. Yeah, cool. So let's go ahead and close out the show with our hinkins Islander corner. So every single week, we asked our patrons on patreon a question and then read their answers for you here on the show. This week's question was your favorite special interaction and like I said earlier the examples were the hide-and-seek lost objects overheard conversations Museum or shops wonders Etc. So Sergio, let's go back and forth on these. Do you want to start? Sure? First answer is by Grace Lee Nina, and she said I love hide and seek. I especially love how you can cut down the tree in front of a hiding villager and they'll freak out too cute. Oh, I should have done that with Bianca. I totally I picked this one because I didn't know this was a thing and that's a really cool. You can actually like disturb their hiding spot and make them scared. Yeah. I really like that. They planned out things for that. I really wonder Who they have testing these games all the time just to figure out. Oh, there's something that you can do and nothing special really happened. We probably should make something special. Yeah. And yeah, so yeah. No, I'm really down for that to get to continue happening and I so Denise Patterson said overheard conversations are my favorite simply because it's always fun to see what they're talking about. And of course if you've ever seen one walk away mad at the other you wonder what was said. Yeah, they definitely play off of the like if you don't get into this conversation quick, you're really going to miss something especially something that could be important and cause some emotion to happen. Yeah. Those are those are pretty awesome. Yeah, I like them a lot. Yeah, so thi cat says I love seeing what petitions the villagers come up with when they ask you to go to a friend's time for signatures. Some favorites are stubborn or old men day. Why? Why because I said so and fondue for everyone to name a few. Yeah, those petitions they were always really liked exciting when they happen because you're like, oh no now the race is on I've got to get this thing signed. Otherwise when who knows so you're just asking around getting people to open their their towns up and yeah, I guess what I like about that 1/2 is just that like it forces you to go somewhere else and talk to people. Yes. So yeah. I appreciate those lat So check had said I love seeing what petitions villagers. Oh wait, we did that. Well, yeah. Sorry. I'm all mixed up today. So Allah Walker said overheard conversations. I love seeing my villagers interact with each other. It makes my town feel more lively when I'm not the only one talking to them and also further demonstrates their personalities and how some of them Clash in a humorous way. I picked this one because you know the over Herod conversations. Were very popular in these comments, but this one also points out like this. This is your opportunity to get more depth out of the villagers, you know, because I think a lot of people's complaints with new Leaf was just like how their personalities didn't feel as much of a personality, you know. So this was this was the chance essentially like you could talk to your villagers and together and it showed a lot more how their personalities came into play, you know. Yes and in The Clash in between them, if you know if there's eight, but when you look at the different ways, you can Clash all laid between themselves. There's so many different possibilities and I think the conversation is definitely carried out in there's so many different ones that are pretty awesome. Yeah, definitely. So Riley G says I love doing chores or errands in the original Animal Crossing hoping and praying they bring that back in this game. Yes. That's a very A very nice one and that would be a great throwback from the very first game for sure. Yeah. This is this is something people have been asking for it to come back forever. And right I think we're if it's not in this one we're going to keep asking because it was a really good way to kind of extend your days gameplay, you know, but then on top of that like force you not really Force you but like inspire you to talk to villagers more I feel that's why I like the the interactions with the villagers in the And we're so strong. It's because you were interacting with them as much as you were just to at least do some chores and run some errands, you know by yeah, so the last answer is from Leto Jagger and they said I remember in the wild world Dave's it was so cool inviting an animal over to my house and setting the date and time keeping my DS on me and waiting in my house for my neighbor to arrive was great. Yeah, and this one was one that came up a new Leaf a lot to you know, where Are you a villager would essentially say hey do you want to hang out and they say oh you can hang out at my place or your place and essentially you'd have to set an alarm because I I would forget all the time and they'd be really sad that I didn't get out. So in many ways it made me sad but when you did get to have them over is really special is like a nice little treat you no. Yes. Yeah, and it's one of the it's a little thing but it's one of the few cases where We have a different camera angle going on where you're not in the center of the screen because like if they decide to not if when they knock the door it essentially like zooms out and you're somewhere in your room. It's not the center most of the time and then right you get to see like the place in a different setting. So I appreciate that for sure. Yeah, cool. Well Sergio. Do you have anything else to say about any of the topics we covered today on the show? No, very nice topic very nice discussion saying, you know, I'm starting to really feel the hype. It's getting to me and I love it. Yes, we are. So close at this point in a couple of days from the day this episode airs for days for us, but we're going to be essentially 50 days away from this game. It is so close that we're already halfway through this countdown. It's insane. Yes. I can't believe it. It's Y-yeah, so thank you all so much for tuning in to this episode of hakken and Animal Crossing podcast don't want the episode to end. Well, you can keep the conversation going by Nintendo switching over to our Discord just follow the link in the description and you can talk with other people who love Animal Crossing as much as you do including Sergio and me want to support the show in a bigger way and get your voice heard during the show visit patreon.com chewy plays in tendo. 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This week, Sergio and I have a lot of fun topics to cover. As usual, we start by answering the week's 100 Day Countdown to New Horizons Questions. From there, we discuss the possible Wii U ports that could come to the Switch. Specifically, we talk about amiibo Festival and what we would want from the deluxe version on Switch. After that, we discuss the state of Animal Crossing News at the moment. Unfortunately, we recorded before the new characters were revealed, but we still cover how we'd market Animal Crossing if we were at Nintendo. Finally, we close out the show with our world famous Haken's Islander Corner. Time Stamps: 0:05 - Introduction 2:45 - 100 Day Countdown 17:51 - Amiibo Festival Port on Switch 35:46 - The State of New Horizons News 55:07 - Haken's Islander Corner 1:01:36 - Outro Announcements Support my channel on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/chuyplaysnintendo Join the Haken Discord: https://discordapp.com/invite/wJTCMRK Find Haken: An Animal Crossing Podcast on Podcast Platforms here: https://anchor.fm/haken-an-animal-crossing-podcast Get More Nintendo and Video Game Content Here: http://chuyplays.com/ Follow me on... Twitter: https://twitter.com/ChuyPlaysNTDO Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ChuyPlaysNintendo Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chuyplaysnintendo Twitch: http://www.twitch.tv/chuyplaysnintendo Tumblr: http://chuyplaysnintendo.tumblr.com/ --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/haken-an-animal-crossing-podcast/support

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Nice because they always have the big payouts. Yeah, what current what kind of cookie currently in I have a whole Beauty a 14. Okay. So John has as well thing's awesome. Yeah, is that how did you start in that or no? I had an Ascend. I was just looking to get on the water and happen to see it at Bass Pro. Tops and bottom assigned and then I wanted more stability and up early to do a lure and then I started going to tournaments and seeing people at paddles and I wanted that paddle. So I went to the Hobie. Yeah, this home is nice John your you had something to say I was asking him if he had seen the 360 and what he thought about that now I seen a when they released it on Facebook and stuff. Tough but can't wait to try it out. I seen you were at I casted you get to try it. I did not get to try it. They had the opportunity to try that on the first day Tuesday, as I was driving down there just couldn't get there fast enough. But yeah, what an incredible piece of Machinery. Yeah, that is pretty sweet that a that drive is definitely completely different. Everybody else's. So how long you been Tournament Fishing on this is my third year. I started with the cat series up here in Michigan. That was three years ago. I did a couple that year and the last year is when I really started doing a lot of them. Okay. What's the cat series kayak angler tournament series. I think their main ones down in Texas and then they have a like a Midwest doctor. Okay, they're all they're all. And Miss confirm from what I know. Yeah. And is this your first year fishing my oh now I pissed him all last year last year. I kept in this third and angler of the year last year left home. Okay. Got you. We just interviewed. So this is actually our last week. He he he finished second. I believe last year. Yep. I was I think I was right behind him. Okay. Yeah. He's a cool guy. We interviewed him last week and talked about his Billy's with the board and everything so Your your wins, how many wins do you have total? That was my first? Oh, really? Yeah. I had a lot of tournaments where just couldn't get the one big bite or lost a fist and finished in the top five top ten. And then finally this one I die fist really clean that day. Yeah, that's all I pretty much caught everything. I hook the whole day. There's a rose a really good feeling on your on your Big win and you start getting that feeling at some point in the tournament when you're like, you know what I've got it. This is something that's going to happen. I'm right there. I'm on I got it going. Was there any particular point in the tournament where you said? I need this tournament to end right now. Yeah. I actually that I was I made a move and called a 18 to 5, which is like it I think it three and a half inch upgrade at the time and when I caught that one out. Put me a couple inches ahead. And I needed it done. What time was that? There's about two and a half hours left. Oh that's brewed. It was around 11:30. Well, that's brutal because you're always waiting for that sandbagger. You know that one. Yeah, just kind of sandbagging that 19 S. Got to be, you know, yeah breaking your heart all the way until the way and I wasn't sure if it was enough. Yeah. I hate that feeling so Get through your game plan for Fletcher's pain. Did you do any pre-fishing? I did? I did do pretty pissed, huh? I was expecting. We good. Yeah, you're good. Good. All right. I was I kind of knew about the lake but never fished there. I knew there was a lot of wood and and stop it was shallow. So I didn't really do a ton of research for it kind of was just going to go preach this and see what I could find. Why was there no actually I paddled around for a couple hours and kind of just look around and try to find some areas. I liked and fist a little bit and I wasn't really catching anything and then I saw a bunch of thumb sticking out of the water. So I decided to go over there and I didn't really catch on anything on the stumps. I was kind of feeling discouraged and I just started wandering around on a big Splat that had a bunch of stumps and a bunch of weeds in it and was throwing a 4-inch yum Dinger and caught a couple 17 inches and then I started feeling pretty good that I had found some fish, but I wasn't sure to stop seventeen's we're going to be enough to winner. So I looked around Ohio. Yeah, I looked around a little more and try to fish them a little bit deeper spots and didn't really find anything and with about an hour lap die of my practice fishing. I threw a jackhammer on him. I made like three cast with it and caught two fists. So at that point I basically was going to go into tournament day with the Yum Dinger and Jackhammer and just roll with that. Yeah, I love this chatter base man. Those are awesome. Yeah sigh actually what I found they weren't relating to the wood for me. There was a it's a kind of pond weed. It's a big leaf weed and it's got a little like a Pinecone thing that sticks out of the top and just stopped above the surface of the water. And they were growing in clumps. So there'd be like a 10 yard by 10 yard Clump and you could just go through the flat flat and take out the clumps of those weeds and I was just passing the ChatterBait to the edges of them. Yeah. That's where the ChatterBait really shines. I've learned a lot about the ChatterBait this year and when you're throwing right right next to those weeds man, it seems like you're always getting hammered. Yeah, they were actually hitting most I would say 50 60 Anna Mae bites were on the fall from the cast and then the rest of the bytes. I was letting just sink to the bottom and then just pop it off the bottom and the first pop they were heading that that's awesome. So Q only pre fish one day for that tournament now Thursday and Friday Thursday and Friday so but did both days go exactly the same pretty mods that there was this turn there was fish in those same areas that I caught him and I never found anything anywhere else. So I pretty much just left them alone. The ones that I found I was I was hoping that that was going to be enough that I can get a couple good bites out of there which obviously I did but I wasn't feeling that confident. Actually I didn't I've heard a lot of stuff about that Lake and I was expecting people to put up some really big numbers and yeah, but he always talks about are they talk about that Lake? They said everybody voted for Eternity to happen on that Lake all the Michigan or the myo angular Anglers voted for that Lake. Yeah. I don't I don't know if it's like some secret hidden thing or what but seems like we're gonna top that like my whole life. I've always wanted to go there and just never made it up there. So it's a pretty big. Yeah. It's pretty big it was bigger than I was expecting that actually limited me in my practice because I got there and it was bigger than I thought so instead of trying to cover a ton of it. I just picked out as an area of it and said I'm going to try to figure this area out really good. Yeah. So let's get to actual tournament day. You guys started at 6 a.m. Right? Yeah. Okay. And then how quick did you catch a limit? I want into it thinking I was going to get 75 inches in the first hour and it didn't go that way then I didn't it was a half hour and I still hadn't had a bite and then I finally my first fish that I caught was that about 635 I think and it was an 18 and a quarter. So I was I was glad to take the good one instead of having my limit that soon because I knew I was serving the other custom fish during the day. Yeah, John you got the leaderboard pulled up. Is that what you're looking at? I'm sitting here looking for it right now. I'm a guy that's all good. So you want to go through any other techniques and stuff you were throwing at Fletcher's our basement? About that first first came on on a 4-inch yum Dinger green pumpkin with the chartreuse tail was fishing a Texas Rig and had to wait Peg and I caught that first one and I that's what I caught most of my Christian practice on so I thought I was going to roll with that and I fished it probably another half hour without a bite and picked up the Jackhammer started catching fish and I never put it down the rest of the day. Yeah. I'm the same way I need. That move that I said where I caught the one that put me in the lead and that to Cass after that. I think I caught another one in job Creator. So and I lost my one Jackhammer to a pipe. Oh two or two and a half hours left. I think I had another blue chatter baby, but not a jackhammer and I think I caught one more fish the rest of the day. Well, that's crazy. What was the water Clarity? Yeah. It was pretty good where I was at I was fishing in six and a half seven feet of water and I could see the bottom perfect. Okay, so I kind of realized that even even if the water is clear that black and blue jig still works. I've been catch them in Clear Water on black and blue all year this year. So that's awesome practice days. It was soggy and no wind and then tournament day was cloudy and quite a bit more. Or wind and I said I was cast into those weeds. I was having a hard time before the song came up actually seeing those tops of the weeds from from the waves. Yeah, is there a speed boaters on that link and stuff now there's there's so many stumps in the lake that it's basically just fishing boats and even those only have certain spots that they can actually open it up on that's nice nice and a lot of our Lakes down here have a lot of speed motors and All that kind of stuff definitely turns into a pain when they're buzzing you yeah. So let's look smelly. Go ahead John. I'm sitting here just going through the pictures. It looks like an absolutely beautiful Lake up there. It certainly looks like a lot of fun. I don't know. Why in the heck I had for some reason my head. It was in Ohio, but it's not it's a Michigan. So yeah, but you know, it's really cool to see the ladies. He's stepping up into the term. Yeah for sure really getting up into the top three. So I see Jenna here. I'm not even attempt to pronounce her last name, but buddy she was right on you man. Yes. She was actually ahead of me. And that's who that that one that I caught I passed her on that with that bit. Well, that's all she she looks like. She's got a grin on her face. She's like, yeah, I was almost there and stuff, but that's really cool. I mean, I'm glad to see that but What Abby I'm going to put that on my calendar for next year that looks like a beautiful spot to fish. Yeah, I'd like to get up there as well. Are you KBS member? I am? Okay. Did you qualified this year then through that again? Yeah, that's awesome. Is this your first year qualifying now? I've qualified the last three years and I've never made it from one. So hopefully this year I've been down there. That's awesome man. Connors bells one of those. Yeah bucket list late. Eggs, yeah, how does that how does that make you feel qualifying? I mean, it's cool. I'm doing as long as I can make it it has that I haven't been able to make it down there. So heck my goal is just to qualify just to say I could I you know, I don't know if I'll be able to make it down there. But that's awesome. I can't imagine what it feels like to qualify for it. You know, Guntersville. Yeah. I mean when you were you talking about Guntersville, Alabama, Alabama, it's really It's it's not that far away. It really isn't. It just sounds like it's on the other side of the planet, but it's what right six hours away. It's just south of Chattanooga you go from but nigga. Well, yeah, I think it's I think it's right around nine for me. I think yeah, that's it isn't too bad last year in Louisiana. That was a hike so yeah that goes about a 14 and a half hour drive to that one saw that was definitely We made the decision of not going to that one. Right the year before that was Texas right now. I think it was Toledo band absolutely doable and I don't remember all Kentucky Lake. Yeah. I'll talk to you later. That's what it was. Yeah, you see you didn't make it to that one. I didn't I qualified for that one too and didn't make it out of it. Awesome. Yeah, that's how they got the the hoagie or the Hobie bass open series also coming up there at Guntersville in September so, you know it's a good time to get down there and you know, wow to see what can transpire from a good wind a good fishing day through the Hobie bass open series next thing, you know, you're off to the Netherlands. Yeah catching some fish. Do you don't even know how to fish for? Yeah all expenses paid that kinda stuff. Yeah. That's a, you know invitation to the Hobie Pro world. So have you ever thought about About giving that event a try I would like to but probably not this year's could only fit so much into the schedule. So right I try to fish as many of the local ones in this unit. Ohio ones as I can but I haven't ventured too far from that yet. Yeah, what what place for you in the standings for regular viewer this year so far that that was my first I fist I fished the first tournament in Ohio. I Get well lake. It was and Michael. Yeah, it was cold and rainy the waffles Mahdi I didn't get a chance to get down there to pre fish. I just showed up in the morning and I got skunk that day. There's a lot of people did that I know that for sure and then I missed the Sinclair tournament. So this was the first one I actually scored so I think I'm 20th or something in Anger he appoints. Okay, I got you. Are you you fished still West Harbor tournament? I will I'll be there. Yeah. Well nice twist it twist it last year for the my own Tournament down there. Okay, and I I did the same thing. I kind of just Winged It On stowed up and finished and I was catching a decent amount of fish and then the thunderstorms rolled in and I got off the water. Yeah like that Harbor get pretty crazy during the thunderstorms. Yeah, it was it was getting pretty crazy for sure. There are still people fishing but soon as I started it started getting too crazy. I was getting out of there trying to wait it out. I was looking at Navionics of East and West Harbor that place don't look like it's that deep. No, I didn't Venture through the whole thing. I pissed the East Harbor and I kind of just found a shoreline with a bunch of Weeds on it fist six seven feet the whole time. I the i v. Yeah, it's about yeah, it didn't look like it was much deeper on the maps. I was kind of surprised. I was thinking open Harbor with like a little Canal going to help to the Eyrie. Right? Right. I've never been up there. So I have no idea you can you go into this one? I'm not going to be able to make it now. I got no got family coming in. I was planning on it, but I only get them see him twice a year. So yeah, John you going out there. So yeah the so this is something I'm thinking about. I'm going to be able to get away and actually do it'll be a cannonball type of an event, you know show up early and got off early in the morning and then fish and then probably head home type of thing. But so what what do I need to look for up there? And from the areas that I saw it was basically like I said, five six seven feet and a ton of weeds, right? I threw I threw a worm the whole day. I remember seeing some bass boats coming by me from probably locals around there and they were all throwing spinnerbaits. Just seeing what she has they were going by watching them. Well, there's one thing I have to say about a move and bass bed. If they're moving dead meat that that means they're not catching fish. Yeah, so it's that one that's sitting over in that little, you know part somewhere. That's just sitting there for a long time. It's catching fish. But this East and West Harbors not necessarily one of those bodies of waters that's been ravished by the grass kill and everything hat. Is it I heard some rumor of that. I'm not sure, you know, a lot of ears got that algae bloom too. So, I don't know if they're having any effect with that. They're either right? I'm looking forward to that event good. Camping up there that you know of I didn't Camp I did what you said last year. I did what you said you're going to do I left it to in the morning drill up and drop the kayak in and throw home right afterwards. Yeah, that's that feels good kind of you know, I like coming home with that stink on you know, that's awesome. Let's get into the mental prep before tournaments a do you have some kind of routine that you go through? I really don't No, we talked to Zach last week and he likes to roll up on the ramps. Listen in a DMX. Yeah. Yeah, I don't really have anything sponsor. I do know basically just my prop in the pre Fist and trying to figure out what I can get bites on and that's a simple man than I like it. That's awesome. So our what other tournaments you looking forward to this year. There's a the north the northern Michigan kayak Trail. I've been doing those ones this year. This is the first year of running that series at this to other three so far and they have one coming up on schedule log Lake up in northern, Michigan. That'll be a fun one. Are they the ones that put on the Saginaw Bay tournament? Yeah. Yeah, that was this week and I miss that one. Okay, and there was so many people. For now 13, I think yeah Zach fish that one. I don't know if his wife it. But yeah, all right, so we're not for we're not real familiar with any of those tournaments up there yet, but we're working on it. So there's some awesome legs up there get up there and Smallmouth country out there and that's my favorite. I mean immoral river guy though. I love the river small mouth. Yeah, we fist one of those tournaments was John Green and Duck Lake and I think there was three people that caught over 96 inches of small mouth. Well my socks well 96 inches five fish 96 inches. That's crazy. I honestly I don't have anything else unless John Doe so that monitors the Balboa and for tournaments. Ooh, that's right in my backyard for my oh, so I'll be about Belleville Lake okay. Yeah. I did see that when that that's there. That's Maya's last tournament of the year, right? Yeah. Okay, August 24th. I'm looking at it right now. Yeah, I'm not familiar with that one. Maybe I'll have to try to make it up there kind of far drive but John you got anything else for him. I do have one question. It's going to be it's going to be a tech question here. One of the big things that I heard down at icast. It was a lot of talk about Was the angles at which the kayak Anglers are set in those load those rods up. Hence a lot of the rods breaking on kayak Anglers were down at those low angles and stuff like that. Just asking. What's your favorite rod would you got one in particular that you really like to toss and slang and why my spending my spinning tackle? I throw 13 fishing bait blacks the lime green ones. I love those and that My casting setup lose custom Speed Stacks. Nice. Does the integer open one one rod out of the kayak trying to land it. I died. I needed to pull it close to the boat and I grabbed the little bit further out the rod and snap the tip right off of it. That's what happened to me last weekend. It's a very common and that's one of the angles at which were doing that we're loading this thing up too much and just snap and 3/4 inches from the The end of that and so there's a lot of discussion in the rod making and starting probably develop a lot more rod blanks that are more specific to how we are loading those rods up is kayak Anglers. It was a lot of cool. I don't know nothing about building rods, but it was really neat to sit in there and listen over here that kind of stuff. So I'm curious your lose Speed Stick. Does it have the microwave guide system on yeah. There you go is it just happened to be one of those rods that you can toss for? Very like this is this is this is this is throwing the Tavor bait on all day as a present 7 1 medium heavy. Oh good. Yeah. Well, that's good to hear that's good to hear that you're using this rods and stuff. I was I'm going to ask that question a lot more of the kayak Anglers, you know, because I got a I got a really, you know, I started guy. I need to start wrapping my head around the tech of what these kayak Anglers are using out there and stuff and and you know going right to the source is the best way to do it. So I'm very cool. Oh, that's all we got with you tonight. So we appreciate you coming on to the show and talking fishing with us in high school. Yes, man. So congrats on the win and hopefully we see you sometime in the future out of the tournament. Awesome cool. Yep. Hey guys, don't spend all that money. I got some more jackhammers. Oh, yeah. That April 20 20 that kbf National Champion. Oh, yeah. That's a good idea. I'll see you down there. Pretty cool. Have a good night guys. You too, man. See ya. All right, man solicitor cool some of these let's get into some of these tournament Recaps. Did you go over any of them man anything caught your eye and the last three literally the last week of my life has just been all all all I cast and catching up with the folks that we have been talking about in these Recaps the seeing them face-to-face and stuff like that. That was absolutely amazing. Just absolutely amazing. So no my by the time I got back to the Lockheed enta which was only point four miles away from the convention center. There was a convenient walk. However, it's kind of funny. You think it's a short walk to the convention center, but you have to walk around the convention center, which is like another mile just to It's the front door, you know, that's how big that thing is, but now my due diligence and and tournament Recaps hasn't been so well, but it was really neat to see Eric Siddiqui Christine Fisher Ron Champion, you know, these are folks that I've been watching on YouTube watching a lot. I've had the opportunity to fish with him a couple times. To see Eric Siddiqui, you know who's a local kid done really good. He just grew up right down the street and to see him down there and all of them walking around in this world Hobie World jerseys just with big smiles on their faces, man. They were feeling good. The energy was absolutely amazing, but give me some of the term before we carry on to that kind of stuff. So I want to hear what happened. So I'm glad we got caught up on some of that Fletcher's pawn stuff. I'm anxious to get up to that location. Fish that but so what's what's the news what's going on out there? Oh, well, I got a few different tournament trails that we I've looked up and some of our local tournaments in the area. I looked at a kayak Bass Tournament Trail and Kentucky its KY Yak Tournament Trail. So yeah, that's that's a clever name. They had a river run tournament in the the I think it was the three fish limit Tony Hobbs one with forty five point five inches on July 14. Wow, that's you know, that's 45. It's not the biggest number put up there, you know was everybody just hitting a big old slow bite or was it just you know, that just right there shows you that man, you know you think oh man, I got 39. I got 45 46 47 inches when I don't know if I'm going to Top out in this if I have a chance at all next thing, you know, you're getting a check. The crazy thing is I'm looking at the leaderboard right now. Second place was five inches behind first place. So that's that's a big that's a lot of inches to come up with when you're yeah 30 minutes away from the end of a tournament. You're just sitting there slinging trash anything you can yeah, but that's a big lead. Yeah. Definitely. I yeah host definitely surprised that looking at that. At the other one I had was kike bass fishing Trail here in Ohio. They had a Raccoon Creek puddle jumper. Yeah. The winner was Matt Davis he won with 40 7.75 inches on July 13th. So another low numbers man. What's up with our Ohio bass man, what's going on? I mean, you know, is there ever going to be a day that we're going to be putting up a TV, you know inches up on the leaderboard here in Ohio, and that's supposed to be This almost. Okay. Is that what they had a 350? Yeah. I'm pretty sure is a free fish limit. Okay. Well that makes sense. Yeah here I'm going man these what's nice crazy? Yeah. Yes, you know, that's for sure because you know, look at those if there was a three fish limit up at st. Clair my Lord have mercy, you know, you got already got 60 inches up on the board. Yeah, this this Raccoon Creek tournament was a little bit closer second place. This was Wayne Schnack. He's a he's a real good fisherman here, Ohio. He's always on top of the leaderboards for the kbf month lease and he only lost that tournament by 1/4 inch now see there's when you're getting into some nail-biting stuff. You're looking at that leaderboard. You keep refreshing. You're like, oh my gosh. Yeah, but that's how you win in this court by quarter of an inch. Yeah, then like a lot third and fourth place here. They were Within. Three inches of first place, right? So Clayton has Kiki one are he didn't win? He he placed fourth in that tournament. He's a Jackson team member. So he's another big name to look out for he fishes a lot of KB of trails and everything. So yeah, he's kind of up there with the Dylan Fook ways and the Owen Chamberlain's yeah. It won't wear out there dropping the bomb on us. Yeah. Well, we're going to get into that because he didn't Fuquay had a really good weekend on Mississippi River. No, so actually I'll just go over that right now. It was the kbf Central Division for on the Mississippi River Brian our host of paddle and fin he competed in that but the winner of that tournament was Tony Hutchinson. He had 80 1.75 inches on July 13th, right? So this is the crazy thing though. I looked at the top top. Top 1 through 6. Dylan Fuquay was six place. He he lost by an inch. So the top six spots were less than an inch. That's just a slugfest. I mean that's like watching the WWE Smackdown, you know, we're pins are just going back and forth and back and forth. You're doing everything you can to at least get that fish. It's got another inch or two inches on it. Hmm. Yeah, I'm sorry. I watch that leaderboard all day long and I was I was just amazed how close it was getting. I was like man to Dylan Fuquay. He started off really hot. I think he was first at one point and then he got knocked down a few spots as the day went on but that kids on fire man. I think that kids like a bass whisper. He has to be. I mean, it's impressive what he's doing. Yeah. I know so his dad does a lot of support for him and it's cool to see a dad and a father-son combo. They're doing what they do, but I was at I was in Lake Barkley down at the Hopi bass open series there and which I did horrible by the way and but and and this is why I was over in the lake Barkley side. And I thought you know, this is a good place to Camp Land Between the Lakes. I got me a nice little spot. It was sort of like a free-range camping you pay $7.50 you get to go wherever you want to and so I found a nice little spot and I woke up. The next morning and I'm getting out and I'm stretching I look over and there's this pickup truck and it's laying over kind of on its side a little bit and windows were all fogged up and a guy jumps out of the pickup truck and he stretches a little bit and we're both kind of drinking coffee and I've kind of sitting there and lo and behold he introduces himself as a Fuquay and I was like, wait a minute. I've heard that name, you know. Well lo and behold Dylan was in the the truck and Dylan Feelin It that well that's a time so me and his dad had the opportunity to talk about Dylan I was like is that the Dylan Fuquay that just crushed everybody in the KB after all tournament, you know, it's like yeah still in That's My Boy and I said, so what what's this kids on fire? What's going on? He says Dylan has the opposite of the ability to pull up to a just a body of water and sit there and look at it and focus on it for about you know, a few minutes and say nap is dead and let's move just like that you can do this stuff. No, I'm like, okay, that's kind of cool. You know. Yeah, it's alright, whatever right? Well, well the next day tournament day. Guess what? They're gone. They're gone. Well, I probably should have listened because I went out there and I struggled so bad that water was so dead. The bite was so dead, you know, and of course Dylan moved out and they both did I think he did really, you know, not too bad in the bass open series down. But yeah, that kid is on fire and he's gonna be a lot of fun to watch Owen Chamberlain out of Tennessee that kids are absolutely on fire. I've had the opportunity to fish with oh and a couple times since in tournaments. I met them down at a kbf, Tennessee tournament going on down there. I met them there. They have family back here in close to Cincinnati, Ohio and we went out to a cow and Lake we went out there and he was down. Anyone catching fish that day, that's all. Yeah. He's that kids good as he's going to be a lot of fun to watch. Yeah, definitely a lot of fun to watch. There's another guy to watch here. It's coming up with these son next tournament. I'm about to recap here. But out of the northern Michigan kayak trail that Brandon was talking about a few minutes ago at Saginaw Bay the winter, you know, this name Bogdan chorus debts key. Yeah, how can you miss that one right there? He won the kdf FLW tournament. Well, he won the Saginaw Bay tournament last weekend with ninety three and a half inches. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, that's bring on board. Yeah, and I think second place was like 8 inches behind them or something like that six inches 78 something like that. So he pretty basically destroyed everybody else. I mean it wasn't even close so that that guy is impressive and I watched his YouTube videos all the time just to pick up little stuff. He does this. He's a good fisherman man. Yeah else to say. Yeah, no doubt. So speaking of kbf events though. When's your next kbf event? You got anything on the schedule? I don't know if I do or not because you know, you're gonna get in that Championship, you know, you're going to get in there. It's just a matter of time. Yeah, it's just Matter of time. Let's see. I think the next event that I'm going to fish is the Cincinnati kayak Trail at paint Creek. I think it's August 24th. Maybe are you got paint Creek? Hmm, you know, you know what goes on out there. So yeah, so if I can try if I can place well in that tournament like I might be able to qualify. But yeah, I'm not banking on it this year. This year was mainly to get my feet wet in the tournament scene. And this is my first year fishing tournament. So basically just getting my feet wet and getting a feel for it and you know if it happens it happens, but I'm not I'm not I'm not like pushing real big for it. I haven't been fishing tournaments every week trying to qualify, you know, so right I'm just I'm just seeing where it takes me right? Absolutely and that's probably the best attitude to have. You know, my first year. I just went nuts. I went absolutely nuts and I just entered tournament after tournament I travel Up and down I-75 left and right and spend a lot of money and traveled a lot was away from home a whole lot and my main goal was to why I don't know because I still need to learn how to fish man. No, but my main goal was to qualify for the national championship. I like to a no aim high. Yeah, and it wasn't until the beginning of this year when I just had nothing really on the calendar and just kind of was a little bit more kick back and into the social media aspects of it having fun and low and behold the next thing, you know, you get a call and you've you're on the roster and now it's so I think your approach is you know spot on because you definitely have the skill and the you know, the head of a good kayak angler and competitive one too. So Yeah, I'm just wrapping. I'm really hoping there's more River tournaments that pop around the area because I feel a lot more comfortable on the river. If we have these River tournaments. I feel like I have a better chance to qualify, but I'm still learning those Lakes. So I'm like pulling them right? I would love to see those River tournaments come up a little bit more too. And it's funny that you well, it's not funny that you say that but but it's interesting that there is not as many rivers that we Around here and in Southwestern, Ohio and the tri-state area. It's interesting that there's not that many River tournaments. And in fact the loved one canoe and kayak tournament was the first one I have ever seen on tourney X I've never seen one before and so that was why I was so anxious to get involved on and that one I'm glad I did because that's where I met you and and Jason the other guys and stuff like that, but you know, unfortunately, I guess for the rivers it's just So questionable and the conditions and stuff like that. And that's that's really the challenge that you have partner. It's hard to plan those kind of things on the river especially with the weather. We've had this year gross. I don't know. I just I know Todd and Rich and Jason they'll all be listening to this episode. So if you hear this hit hit we want River tournaments. Yes, I don't care how they go about it. Just lets Could Happen yeah, just do do one a lot, you know do one a lot there on the even on the little Miami. That's just a fun little the gmr would be a great place to have one and oh, yeah, I mean, there's so many cool spots but you know do it boys give one of those Jacks and kayaks away every time you do it too. Oh, yeah, it's perfect kayak to give away on a river tournament to down. I got some upcoming. Tournaments that I want to share with everybody just to you know promote these tournaments and then, you know try to get more people to get involved in these tournaments to make them aware of it. So first one I have here is a demoniac tournament Series in Missouri. That's ran by Richie. I can't pronounce his name Lori or something like that Richie Lowry I think but anyway they had Yeah, they have one at Stockton Lake in Stockton, Missouri on July 20th. And the guy to look for in that tournament is Brian Hillman. He's first in the angler of the Year standings for their Tournament Trail. SoLaughter keep an eye on that one. That would be fun one to watch. I've never fished in Missouri and my life. I haven't either and it sounds interesting. I look at leaderboards and they always put up some decent numbers. So right right second one here. I have I'm always so interested in XIII here. A lot of names come out of the eve come out of this tournament, even though it's on the other side of the country the yakka Bass Tournament Trail. They're fishing the Delta and Lodi, California on July 21st. And of course the guy to watch for in that tournament Trail is Greg Blanchard. He plays - yeah third in the kbf month kbf National Championship this year. So yeah, and he knows how to fish California. I mean, he did really well with the Lake Shasta and the Hobie bass open series out there. You know, that kids really a lot of fun to watch you watch his YouTube videos or Very valuable videos. They're sort of keep it simple kind of videos, you know, it's just him kind of catching fish and turning around and showing you the camera and stuff but and sometimes I think that he does give a few of those techniques that he probably should keep buried. Yeah, but he's very open with how he fishes and he's very he's a he's a social media fisherman. That's for sure and definitely like his Facebook page as YouTube videos. Laughs he's a good dude to watch. I'm addicted to his videos man. I watch him basically the night. He releases them every night right before I go to sleep. Yeah. Yeah. It's like twenty three thousand subscribers on his YouTube channel, and that's pretty incredible. That is crazy. I got seven. I don't have any I appreciate a big shout out to the guys that are going down to kbf Tennessee Trail down there. There's a bunch of fine, Tennessee kind. Fishermen down there. That is I really fell in love with the Tennessee crowd down there around Lake Chickamauga, but they got a July 23rd. They have a fate Sanders are not a four flippers. They're at Station. Camp is going on but August 3rd and 4th. Is there closer their closure down there at Percy Priest open Lake and that's part of their kbf. Tennessee Trail going on down there a bunch of good folks. If you get into Percy Priest I heard that's a really exciting. Like that's a fish ambulance whole Blake. Yes that quite a bit. Yeah, and you know, he's got to be there. Oh, yeah, I watch these videos on YouTube also and he's always on that leg Yeah Yeah Big shout out to his dad Phil to another son father combo that's out there really just hitting it up. So it's really neat to see them both the out there and there. Hobie's man, I think they are that's what they're in. Does this Dad compete to you know, I don't that yes, he does but I don't think to the extent Owen does but yeah, I think it's done. Is that certainly how can you not? Yeah. Now that's interesting you say that because I don't believe that Dylan Fuquay is Dad competes while he's out there. He's from what I understand his that his dad's focused on his son, you know and support him while he's out there doing the stuff, but that's it's good to see that stuff. Yeah. K BF a Texas region, they have a tournament coming up on Sam Rayburn Reservoir, July 20th the guys to watch out for for for that tournament Dwayne TAF, of course crush your former national champion. And then Brad case I've seen his native. Yeah. Yeah, that's gonna be. Yep Guillermo Gonzalez to man. Is he popping in that guy's big in the Hobie bass open series, but he knows Texas like the back of his Hand, you know, I'm sure if he's in on that mix there. I'm going to look here in a second if he's a in that tournament because I didn't I didn't see him. Yeah glare Mo man, you know. He'll be a lot of fun to watch. Yeah, I remember you bringing him up one one other segments. Let's see here. And it's a fun name. He might be one of those guys that signs up later, but I don't see his name yet, right. Maybe not maybe he's just some of those cats interesting some aren't crossing over, you know, they're not crossing the beams man. You know, some of them are staying in the Hobie bass open series and others are you know going to BF only but and some of them are hitting them both up hey wouldn't it be cool to qualify for the get the you know, the the kayak Bass Fishing national championship and also qualify for the Hobie bass open worlds or something like that. I mean, wow, what a fun year. Yeah, that would be awesome. And it's just a quarter of an inch that wins it in hand. Just takes a quarter of an inch. Yeah, that's I couldn't even imagine. We got the kbf Southeast region of Kentucky Lake July 20th the guys to watch out for that are already signed up for that one Mike LC J Wallen and Adam Riser my Kelsey man. What a fire that dude's got a fire Little Spirit going on inside of him and he's doing amazing. He's on top of it. He feels But I know Mike is looking for a rod sponsor out there, I believe and it would really need to see him get set up and that's one tremendous and Bassett. ER of kayak Bass Fishing is just a good all-around person had an opportunity to really spend a lot of time with Mike down at icast. I was somewhat lobbying for American tackle to take him in as a rod sponsor, you know, we are manufacturers and Distributors of Of just probably the greatest Rod building components out there, you know, so it would be really neat to put that deal together, but Mike's got some people that are interested in but my Kelsey man keep watching him. He's going to be a lot of fun to watching the future and man. I love how genuine he is like, yeah just watching him on watching him on video. It's just like you can tell how genuine that guy is. Yeah, he would be he would That good person to win a back-to-back Championship. It would absolutely change his life and it already like he said it did somewhat changed his life. It's give me ability to go into the next step and was his fishing but when they crowned him national champion last year, I was watching the award ceremony on Facebook and just like the expression on his face and the like watching like that huge weight. Just come on your shoulders when he was holding the Trophy, I was like, oh my gosh, I got chills watching it. Dude. I've cried. I cried and narrates. I'm not lying to you. I'm one of those people I think it's like a disease of some sort that we cried everything man. I'll be like it a freaking Fourth of July parade. See some old World War Two vet being carted around in a black of a white convertible Corvette and I'll start tearing up over, you know, glory and stuff, but I'm sitting here watching Mike get that Crown the champion. The emotion the the energy that was coming off of him, dude. I'm freaking how many miles away in my pajamas and I'm watching it and I'm starting to tear up and choked up and I could feel it. So when we were down at ice cast I wanted to tell him I had that feeling and and dude, that's how powerful that moment was next thing. You know, I'm crying again. Look at the name on my God. And I certainly if there's going to be a back-to-back kbf Championship. I hope it's my Kelsey. I hope it is. Yeah last one I have here is of course the kbf trail at a East and West Harbor we talked about that earlier. It's co-hosted by kbf bio kayak Anglers and the Buckeye kayak fishing Trail, so I'll be watching that one as it goes on all day. A real close eye on it because there's there's quite a few guys that I know that are in that tournament Kurt Smith's me and you both know him personally. So let's see is Bert going to be in that Bert good how I don't see his name yet. There's only 24 signed up through tourney X. He's a sleeper. He's asleep or man. You gotta watch Bert. He's like the General Patton of kayak Bass Fishing, but he'll be like he likes sleep on you and he won't sign up until like six hours before you can cut off time. So he's a he's one fun to watch man. He cut he caught st. Clair on fire that photos day and he came out and top five. I know he could I bet he smoked down probably three or four cigars that night. I ran into him during the Buddy best tournament in the paddle and fin tournament on Counting Lake. Yeah. I was like Burt here. Like hey, what's up? He had a cigar in his mouth. I'll get you and it was hundred and two degrees outside. No, he's over there chugging on that cigar. He's like a maze looks like he's like Brad Pitt Fury. That's awesome. Yeah, he said that because he was an army tank specialist. By the way. I said proud Army soldier few other guys that are signed up here that other people might know Jim Heinrich Josh Gallimore. Sure. Let's see Jared McComas. He's a part of the maokai killers board met him last weekend at the pedal and Finn meet up. And also Chris two hours. I keep seeing his name pop up and he's usually he's pretty high up there all the time on the leaderboard. So I'll give him a shout out. Right and yeah, you're not signed up yet, but you will be right now, you know, I'm kind of time going to think about that here in the next couple days. I'm you know, I'm I'm focusing my energy and my funds and all that kind of stuff on Guntersville for the Hobie bass up and series. I want to try to get Guntersville. So I will be taking probably a trip down to Guntersville at least a couple times before September and then of course the kbf national championship there in 2020 and April. So I want to try to get the no Guntersville spot much as possible. But boy, I'm itching man. I want to go. Our get the middle some turmeric because I haven't been doing that many this year, you know, and usually I'm cranking out one to two a week. But whether it's an online state tournament or it's at location type tournament, but I've really heard a lot about East and West Harbor I'm ready to do a drive again. I got The Kayaks already. I was out there today playing with them. They're just sitting at me going when we gotta go a fun band. So it's possible. I'll know in the next couple days whether I'm Into that awesome. Well, that's all I got for tournament recap tonight. So you did good. I did my homework. So you did I'm glad you look like that one dude, that would be doing his homework. You know, I'd like me, you know robbed look here at icast and you got you got a good excuse. I was on a field trip. That's for sure. That's how so I'll let you go ahead and Shout out your sponsors before we end it man. There's no there's absolutely that at the top. There's no way I can really think about the sponsors without thinking about American tackle and I absolutely as a Pro Staff here in the Midwest and they're located headquarters and and Florida there which is not far from Orlando. And so Vita, Florida. Oh Vitae Evita some say tomato some say tomahto, you know that kind of thing, but but I absolutely did not recognize what American tackle did outside of sell and great products Rod Building Products blanks grips, the microwave guide system some soft Plastics the new Bushido crankbaits and stuff like that blah blah blah, right. Outside of being a great family The Hangout we've got to know him on social media a little bit. I did not know what to expect when Austin tie the social media marketing kind of manager of all the has crazy Pro staffers in which there's over a thousand around the world around the world and okay when he put the golden ticket. This thing right the green ticket exhibitor means that you can get in before anybody else when he gave that to me and I walked in there. My mind was frickin blown man. You could feel the energy. He takes me over to the American tackle booth and my mind was blown again and I started looking around what American tackle does then for the next three days. I got myself within hula-hoop space of It's about Rod building about distribution about packaging about copyright laws about how American tackle will help you through. All of that sticks. You've got such a huge fan base. Now, you're going to come out with your signatures flipping stick the flip and sticks, right, you know and sticks from the Hicks or Hicks from the sticks. You come up with anything American tackle will I'll help you through the process to your specs Build Your Rod Stamp Out 10 put your labels on them. They'll distribute these things for you to help you with copyright laws and they will also Stamp Out 10,000 of them for all of your fans at you got this is just one thing that American tackle will do so they just don't sell fancy hooks the sharpened I'd Hooks and they don't the break Pro Staff Bates and all that kind of stuff. They will help you with an amazing amazing resource when it comes to whether you're creating a lure or you just want to come out with a great Rod as Bill or or if you're just a simple rod builder go to American tackling or products or American tackle.com and you can find all their great stuff. But what I would like to give a shout out about is this little thing right here that fancy little design. It looks kind of Star Wars like in fact, I think I see one right there on your brand new. Pro Staff Jersey that right there ladies and gentlemen is the microwave guide to sign and you might not think that that's a big deal when it comes to flipping A Rod or flipping your lure. You just want to get your lure out there to the Target area. You don't think how it gets there. Well this raw or this guide right here the microwave guide Has won six industry worldwide boards, and there's nothing else out there in the fishing industry world that can claim that there's nothing except this right there and I'm telling you there's people that are taking pictures of this stuff right now want to reproduce it over and far-off countries. That's how cool this is, but there is absolutely nothing like the microwave guide like there if your rod builder, you know what I'm talking about. Out if you got to lose Rod, you got the microwave guide system on it. I bet you it's one of your favorite rods. This thing here was exciting to be around and watch just how this simple Innovation right? There was key in American tackle. That's who's doing it. That was cool the products that were out there were amazing but nothing stands out like the marriage just this little simple beautiful thing right there so I can tackle. Oh definitely. I love my American tackle. Rod with the microwave guides dude, so that things just like you always say so sensitive that you can feel the fish thinking about it. You can feel them thinking about it if they're just sitting there looking at it you're going on. Yeah. I know this microwave guys, that just sends my line right through it. So long cast. It's just crazy. Yeah. I've never had anything like it. So you got Precision you got accuracy you got less wear and tear on the rod and you got less wear and tear on you. You I mean you're out there to tournament especially that cow and leg tournament where it was what 16 hours of a hundred degrees out there. You are slinging probably six seven eight hundred tongues, possibly if not a thousand times and when you got that efficiency in your casting through something like the microwave guide, it makes absolutely all the difference in your arm wear and tear and all that stuff, you know, and I'm old man. My shoulders only got so much and especially when A kayak in urine is very vulnerable positions, you're trying creative ways of flipping stuff when you have something as efficient as the M20 microwave finesse set. This was the award winner there. No big deal and it won in fishing accessory. So imagine a diecast how packed that category was and that simple little microwave 20 finesse set. Brought it home for the sixth time. Yeah, it's good stuff. All right, we got shoutouts for the podcast here a huge. Thanks to bona fide for myself American tackle company, of course for me and John Rock Town Paddlesports in Illinois. Huge. Thanks, shoutout to Loveland canoe and kayak. Yes hammered lures Coyote sunglasses. Sweet. Our Brewing fish mob lures Southern Lake company and my oh kayak Anglers and then as always if you have any use Plastics that you need to ship or if you're going to throw away throw them in a box and ship them to three one six Pinewood Drive Camp Hill, PA 1 7 0 1 1. He uses those Plastics to melt them down and make new lures for Heroes on the water. So it's cool little Cool little program. He's got filet. Oh, definitely we all support so absolutely and one little thing that I'd like to shout out here at the end of it. I know there's a whole bunch of rednecks out there listening to this podcast right now. If you're not a redneck you're going to be one in a minute because I want everybody to try out what's called the Port Arthur. This was something that was really cool. It's not that fantastic looking and no big deal. It's nothing like the microwave 20 guide system, but if Want to catch some catfish look up limb lines and how to catch fish off a limb line, but also look up Port Arthur limb lines and you can order these things by the Dozen in fact sticks. I got a number of these and we need to give a few of these away on the podcast here some point in time, but everybody out there check out limb lines and check out limb lines and look up Port Arthur limb lines. Give these guys a big shout out on your Facebook page. Going to love these little things. I can't even describe how to use them because it's too much little kind of detail and I'm not ready to get that redneck. Yeah, it would be fun to use. So that's all we got today guys will see you guys next week and tight lines and smooth paddling. Yes so long guys.

Sticks and Crankbait Johnny talk about his tournament victory at Fletcher's Pond for MI-OH Kayak Anglers Trail. The boys also recap a bunch of tournaments across the nation and more upcoming events.

My friends guess what? I'm starting a podcast pasture experience inspired by Psalm 23. This podcast is come out of the seasonal Gatherings and the weekend Retreats that I hold and facilitate in our Tennessee home. What is past your experience? You ask? Well, I founded pasture which is inspired by Psalm 23 as this intimate.Singing experience where women gather for the purpose of deep connection and soul nourishment in my living room environment. And so my hope is that this pastor experience this podcast will offer you just that is your own experience to listen and be honest with yourself to come to know the trinity in a really intimate ways and join Soul nourishing conversations, wherever you are on your spiritual journey on your specific pasture and so here We're going to bridge the beauty between play and contemplation and pasture Experience Podcast will be sort of like Soul Care met spiritual Direction met this deep Whimsy conversation all tethered and connected and rooted in Psalm 23. For those of you who are maybe new to the term Soul Care or spiritual Direction. I think the best way that I could describe this is spiritual direction. Is this Co companioning Journeying with you, wherever you are and your spiritual journey the questions that you're asking the stirrings that you're experiencing the ways that you're hearing and listening to Jesus and the spirit and the father in maybe out of the box ways. And so I'm just honored to get to code Journey with you and that's really what I want. This whole experience to be is is one that is yours that you feel known you feel heard you feel a deeper awareness of God alive in you as you Journey em in your day to day. So that's my hope and my prayer for this podcast with pasture experience and I love to share with you how pasture experience came to be when we felt a stirring to move from California to Tennessee two years ago. I met this really Whimsy Soul. Her name is Kim and she owns the city farmhouse in Franklin and at the time she had this Whimsy Venue at the And she sold her, you know found Treasures that she you know, her hubby found when they went exploring and and and then she had this just this beautiful venue where she would create these spaces and events. And so she invited me to come and share a little bit about my heart about authenticity, especially in the social media world. And so something a bit magical happened that night because 20 women showed up the youngest was probably around 18 and then the oldest Soul was in her early 70s and we gathered at this long farmhouse table and there was wine and nibbles and just in this beautiful environment and we just talked about matters of the heart authenticity. What does that look like to live out faith in the everyday? We talked we had questions. We listen to one another we connected and it was just this really beautiful evening and I came home and I just felt this sense inside of me of what was that? And how can how can I experience that more? And so from there this this idea of pasture started stirring and my spirit and it was something that I know that God had put their even the year before but the the hold the beautiful part about pasture is this this imagery that it brings to mind of this level Green Field where It's full of these cooks and these valleys but there's not this hierarchy. It's not this mountain. It's this it's this safe environment where we all kind of come and we coexist but we're were individually Journey our own path among one another and and that is exactly what pasture experience is inviting you into as how are you experiencing your own pasture journey. And so that's where this idea of pasture kind of came to be and So I just thought how can I do that again? How can I offer these experiences where there's connection and there's Beauty and there's honesty and we're having these Faith conversations about our spiritual Journeys, but it's not necessarily Tethered to a church or a Bible study, but it's it's inviting Jesus and it's almost bringing church outside of the walls. It's inviting him into our living rooms. It's in fighting him on our porch has its its offering Sanctuary. It's offering pasture. ER these experiences in in ways out it just outside of a church. And so I just started praying about what would this look like to offer this experience in the in my community? And I mean women just came out of the Woodworks just saying, I don't know what what what God string but I want to be a part of it and I think that's one of the most beautiful things about this journey is that when God puts something on our hearts, and I know that he's putting things on your heart the beauty of Being into obedience without without even maybe having a plan or a 5-point itinerary, which is new for me. But when people come along and they say I want to support this I want to I want to be champion this the beauty of what that looks like and so women can out of the woodwork and I was talking to my dear friend Rebecca who owns the antique mall in our town in Spring Hill, Tennessee, and I just asked her one day I said, Have you ever thought about holding an experience here? And she just looked right at me and she said I don't know what you're talking about. But I what you know, I want to make I want to make that happen. So whatever you need you may use this Antique Mall as your space. And so for for a fall season, we held pasture experience in this antique mall and women came from the community and we opened up this beautiful space, which is this antique mall. That is held an old gym. And there was Beauty and safety and this longing just to have honest authentic conversations and invite all of us to really just carve out space and listen to ourselves share our stories encourage vulnerability and talk about how how Jesus is inviting us into that in a different context. And so it was a joy to hold these pasture experiences for The Fall season and And I really just felt called to pause for a bit about that time a dear friend of mine Kelly invited me to she was offering up her home to host for a spiritual Direction cohort. So this training is a couple of your training to become a spiritual director and I just knew that when I thought about that idea I felt so drawn to and Alive with that and so I was stepping into this this training program this schooling for to I'm a spiritual director and really just fell up a draw to pause and just listen and figure out if that that's something that I wanted to continue holding in the mall and so an antique mall. And so I just really got quiet for a season and one day we were at cohort with a small group of us and I found myself talking about pasture and chest feeling so alive about the need to have those safe spaces to wrestle and Confess and share openly and be messy and know that God is doing a deeper work in that but but where do we find those spaces and and I know that that is in the context of offering up a pasture experience. And so I found myself crying saying I know that I want to I want to do this, but I suddenly feel like just this need to intentionally shrink the room even more at that time. We were having about 65 women coming to the pass. Your experiences and I and I just felt like gosh that's so beautiful, but I didn't want it to become another event. I think so often we have events where people can easily, you know, come in the back and sit in the sit in the back row and not engage and you can come and you can listen but but you don't leave feeling known and my heart beat really is that by shrinking these experiences that women can come and sit in a circle and look in one another's eyes and be listened to and Heard without feeling like they need to be fixed that they could bring the matters of their heart in a safe context and we could wrestle and we could journey and here one another where where are you most resonating with your pasture experience? You know, where does God have you and your own journey and and leave feeling known and and like there was an experience instead of this being an event. And so I just really began like listening to that and praying about that and I paused for a whole year and I knew I knew when the time had come that I that I realized. I want to offer these experiences in my living room and I want to keep it at no more than 12 women and this podcast is for men too because it's about you know, Soul nourishment and our Journeys and honest conversations, but I knew that those experiences I wanted to be intimate because I believe that's where healing truly begins as when we can say I want you. No all of me and watch you not walk away. I want you to hear my heart and know that I say I'm I don't need to be fixed. I don't need a versed tagged on the end. I don't need a bow. I just need to be offered a safe space to be heard and listened to and to really invite us to do that hard work of listening to ourselves first talking with that with Jesus and then going to people last and so I prayed about this. That and I just realized that I really do believe that that small is sacred and that something beautiful happens in a safe intimate group. We're healing and being known can happen in the context of Psalm 23, and so I sort of shifted that vision from the Antique Mall into our living room and began holding local Gatherings for those that are in Tennessee in the fall and in the spring and then I had people reaching out saying I want to Soul Care time, but I'm in Texas, or I'm in Missouri. Would you do a weekend retreat? And so I thought oh my gosh, I'd love to so I had our first Soul Care weekend retreat last April and our home and I had women come and fly in from all over and it was just this really beautiful space of inviting inviting us to listen, you know, sort of turn that that lift let listening that talking upside down and And we gathered and we connected and there was wine and we're in our living room and there's wild flowers and my boys are helping set the table and my husband was cooking all these incredible meals and it was just a weekend intentionally carved out to listen to ourselves getting that rhythm of listening to to what God's saying and then listen to one another stories. We had a time of confession. We had a time of Celebration we had space. Just go and be and recharge and something in me. Just I just realized I want to offer this all the time and so amazingly enough it brings us to this moment right now because one of the one of the souls that was at the weekend retreat called me recently and and side note When We Gather one of my values for pasture is that we don't talk about what we do. We really do a lot of Of the Interior listening we focus in on the heart and it's so easy to focus on our circumstances and you know our jobs and our roles, but I really try to invite us to you know, one of our values as we don't talk about our jobs or what we do and so she called out of the blue and said Becca. I came home from that weekend feeling so alive and Experiencing God in such out-of-the-box unique ways, and she was telling her boss. Who unbeknownst to me is a media producer and he said I don't know what Becca needs but I want to sew on hurt so into her Ministry and so would you offer her could we gift her podcast? And so you guys I'm here so humbled, but just so honored that I get to meet with you wherever you are. If you're if you're driving if you're on a walk if you're if you're sitting in a hospital bed recovering. That that this literally has been gifted to me and it is my joy to just turn it around and offer it at back to you as a gift. I think it's really beautiful when God sees our heart and he funnels us into who he wants us to be so that he ultimately gets the glory and this is one of those moments and so I am recording this in a studio that was gifted by bhima media Studios, which is just south of Nashville. And they're amazing staff has just been such a gift. And so I humbly say thank you and I think it's just one most beautiful parts of the story. And so this podcast is a gift and it's my joy to offer it back to you as a gift gift. And so what can you expect with listening to pasture Experience Podcast? You know, why would you want to join us here? And and here's really my heartbeat. My heartbeat is to take the The culture that we have right now the culture that we we talked at one another and we listen last and I want to take that and I want to turn that upside down. I'm a bit of a status quo Shaker upper if you will and so a lot of my journey has been one of desperately needing a safe space to wrestle and process and listen and I think that unless we intentionally make time for that. It's so much easier to Listen to other people first and I think that there's an incredible voices out there from pastors and influencers and speakers. But but really my my challenge of my encouragement and my invitation offering to you is to gift yourself the permission to listen to yourself first to listen to yourself because in listening to yourself you then get to talk with God about that about all the matters that are stirring up in your heart. and then the confidence that he tethers in you the ways that he speaks and he meets you the ways that you will experience his presence and his protection and his provision in your journey that will tether you in a way that that no matter who says what he will be unshakable because you know his voice and you've done the hard work of really listening and staying and listening, you know first for yourself and then when You go to people they're like the cherry on top because we get to go to enjoy them and being community and share Soul nourishing conversations and encourage one another but my heartbeat and my prayer really is to turn that that ID upside down. So we first come to listen and then we we do the talking and we listening to others lastly. And so the way that I'm going to set up these these podcasts. This is sort of our Trailer our intro if you will and then the next episode will be this listening offering that you and I will be having a conversation but a lot of this is going to be me asking you questions and just offering you sometimes space sometimes quiet to really do a lot of that pondering and processing on your own, you know having conversations with God listening to him offering yourself quiet. And then the next episode will lead up to a conversation with somebody that I'm inspired by in their Journey that has to do with the episode before so that's sort of how I'm going to set up these times that we're going to listen first pay attention to what's going on inside of us and then I'll invite us to join this Soul nourishing conversation with a guess that I've invited on which I cannot wait to introduce you to some of the people that we have they are. Incredible and have life experience and ironically so many of them would we had conversations shared about their experience with experiencing peace and hearing God's voice the majority of that came in the hardships and in the Stillness and in the unknowns and I just think there's a hunger that so many s of so many of us have to know him and experience. Hope glimmers and we're looking for those. Relations and so my hope is that you will find that here in this space. I'm so and then at the end of every every podcast I'm going to close us just by reading Psalm 23 over us just really inviting you to pay attention and notice where you most resonate in your own Journey knowing our pastures going to change constantly, you know, I think it's no accident that when David wrote this prayer he you know talks about like how God makes us lied. Noun, and then he leads Us beside Still Waters and there's you know, there's a part where were all at the dark Valley but ultimately God is inviting us to the banquet table with him to no mercy and to dwell in his home forever. And so I will just be ending that time with us reading Psalms 23. I'll ask questions. If you are a journaler I invite you to maybe get a journal and you know write down some of these nuggets or if you're in the carpool line, maybe write a quick note on. Your phone just to kind of go back and pay attention to later. But really this is your space. This is this is something that I'm inviting you into but we're going to journey together. And so I invite you to let it be what it feels most congruent most organic for for your processing and then we'll just continue that Rhythm that listening and then conversations and then listening conversation. So, how can you find out about this? I would invite you Subscribe to pasture Experience Podcast, wherever via whatever podcast app you are most comfortable with you can also find it on my website which is pasture experience.com. And you can also find out where the local and the weekend retreat. Those are as well in Tennessee. And then you can also go to my website at Becca poke.com again, I just if you resonate with any of these conversations or the topics that were talking about I invite you to share it with people that you love and again, I know your time is so precious. And so really if you hear anything in this in this podcast experience, it's I just really want to invite you to listen to yourself because God's already speaking to you and it's probably in completely out of the box ways and there's nothing like this confidence that comes when we really tether ourselves and know him. In our unswayed, even when circumstances would say otherwise, so that is that is my heartbeat for you, and I'm just so excited to get to Journey with you. I would love to close our time before I read Psalm 23 with one of my favorite quotes by Madeleine l'engle her book walking on water. It's amazing. So She says in a very real sense not one of us is qualified, but it seems that God continually chooses the most unqualified to do his work to bear his glory if we are qualified. We tend to think that we have done the job ourselves. If we are forced to accept are evident lack of qualification, then there's no danger that we will confuse God's work with our own or God's glory with our own and that is my heartbeat. Is that as we journey this together will realize that He does all things in it's nothing that we need to do on our own. And then in closing I just invite you wherever you are today just to maybe just to start paying attention kind of get in the Rhythm that we're going to be by listening to Psalms 23 as I read this over you notice where you resonate notice where the shepherd is meeting. You notice where your heart kind of comes alive at that hearing these verses Psalms 23. The Lord is my shepherd. I have all that I need He lets me rest in Green Pastures. He leads me beside peaceful streams. He renews my strength. He guides me along the right paths bringing honor to his name. And even when I walk through the darkest Valley, I will not be afraid for you are close Beside Me Your Rod and your staff protect and comfort me you prepare A Feast for me in the presence of my enemies. You honor Me by anointing my head with oil my cup overflows. Surely your goodness and unfailing love will pursue me all the days of my life and I will live in the house of the Lord forever. Thank you for joining us Grayson space to you today friends.

Hi Friend! Welcome to Episode One of Season One of Pasture Experience Podcast. I'm Bekah Jane Pogue and am so honored to journey with you. This podcast emerged from the retreats I host + facilitate in our near-Nashville, TN home. This is your invitation to be honest and listen to yourself, know God's voice, and join soul-nourishing conversation's, wherever you are on your Psalm 23-inspired "pasture" journey. A bit like soul care + spiritual direction + a whimsy conversation! In this 23-minute episode, I'm sharing the story behind how Pasture Experience came to be; how this has evolved from a local meet-up, to gathering at the Spring Hill Antique Mall, to weekend retreats. And now? It's my humble honor to turn this back around and offer this time to YOU as a gift. What can you expect here? 100% honesty. This is a safe space to wrestle, ask all the questions, and not feel like we have to have the answers. Just our own personal experiences of how God is meeting us in our current pasture season. Anticipate the initial episode to bring us into listening to ourselves and God. The following episode will be a soul-nourishing conversation with a guest about that very topic. This intentional rhythm will be throughout Season One: listening and then talking, listening and then talking. :)  I'll close every episode by reading Psalm 23. Notice where you resonate with the pasture. Today. Hoping you feel known and loved here. Grace & Space, Bekah Show Notes: Listen/watch on YouTube Learn more about Pasture Experience Find out more information on my website: www.BekahPogue.com Instagram: @BekahJanePogue Buy Walking on Water by Madeleine L'Engle Buy Choosing REAL Book Buy Choosing REAL Devotional Thought Journal Humble thanks to: Bema Meda Production + Team Andrew Cache, Editing Sel Thomson, Graphic Designer Jeniece Harris, Original Art Kim Leggett, City Farmhouse Rebecca Stilwell, Owner of Spring Hill Antique Mall (SHAM) --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/bekah-pogue/support

Welcome to carry the fire a podcast where we explore the big questions of life through the lens of the good the true and the Beautiful. I'm your host Dustin Kensrue and my hope is that through these conversations with people of diverse and Divergent backgrounds and beliefs. We can Glimpse the world in new through each other's unique perspectives.And so although our society is set up to be punitive. Although the name that's often given to that is like a corrective system with actually corrective as people being shown their goodness in such a way that they don't have to keep escaping the pain that comes from feeling not good enough. Hello, everybody. Welcome to episode 4 of the carry the fire podcast today on the show. We have Hillary McBride Hillary is our therapist researcher speaker and writer. She's co-host of the liturgist podcast. She holds a masters of arts in counseling psychology and is also currently a PhD candidate at the University of British Columbia in counseling psychology in our conversation. We get into a wide variety of topics related to embodiment and mental health. We discuss why we're often so disconnected from our bodies and what we can do. That it we explore connections between evolutionary biology and it's connection to morality and Consciousness and Hillary share some practical advice on what to look for when you're trying to find the therapist. All right, let's dive into the conversation. Thank you for taking the like one tiny little window that would work. I'm so glad we made it work and I know you're on the road to so I appreciate that. We could we could make our schedules fit some sort of like time. Jigsaw puzzle. I don't know where we're going. So excited. That's it. Well, the general idea is this it's like it's asking the big questions through the lens of the good the true in the beautiful, but I feel like this idea. Of Wonder is almost this thing that ties those three things together. And so I've been starting asking people growing up. Do you remember what would cause you to feel a deep sense of wonder? Hmm, I think pain hmm, actually both my parents are therapists and it was interesting sitting around the dinner table growing up in hearing about just different clinical presentations and maybe even how Justice or Injustice Otis intersected with mental health it was it's kind of bizarre to think about but as a kid like in my family, that's what we were always talking about. And I remember being in Wonder at how how all of the things that we don't even notice fit together to make our experience of being human how it could be that something that is invisible to us impacts us and creates pain. For ourselves for other people. I think that was probably through through my own experience to having like pretty serious mental health issues as a kid and as a teenager, I was often asking myself questions and other people questions about what does it mean to be human? And what does it mean to feel pain? And what is the reason for all of this? So it's not the kind of like wonder that feels like a flourishing opening thriving kind of wonder that brings us into a sense of magic. Magic, but more of like the kind of painful side of Wonder. Yeah, but it is it's still getting it that complexity like everything interconnecting. Yeah, that's interesting. I don't know if you've ever read any Yuval Harare, he wrote sapiens. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He talks about been talking about Consciousness, which I think will hit on later, but he ends up trying to define consciousness. As the ability to suffer which I thought was really interesting, but that's what I thought it was pain because it is the intersection of all of these different things and the more complex your understanding the more pain you're capable of actually having hmm, but the more I think joy and pleasure and yeah. Yeah, and now I would say that Wonder there are a few things. Things that don't draw me into a state of Wonder and it has a more of like a Vitality. Joyful expansive quality to it, but it feels like the same seed of something that was always there like wondering like you were saying about what what is the thread that links all of this together? And how is everything connected to everything else in such a way that just kind of senses are helps us sensor smallness? Yeah, and even that I mean even that term Wonder it's connected to a Questioning. What what is what is happening? What is all this? Yeah, exactly. Have you answered the question yet. Dustin of what what Drew you into wonder is a kid. That's so funny you asked because I was just I was thinking I need to warn people about this question because it's like a big at least for me if people ask me questions like this. I'm like, oh and I my brain shuts down like how I got to warm people and then you ask me. Especially nature like space stuff like that as at the more we really anything I the more I learned about the world. It would just open up. I'd love thinking about it. And I think looking back what was frustrating is. I was also at the same time handed a worldview that flattened a lot of that out. And so I had this weird experience of Trying to hold them both in my mind at the same time. And so it would dull a bit of that one. Right? I mean at times that's been one of the most beautiful things about deconstructing some of those beliefs and reconstructing is being able to say yes to just what is not trying to be like, oh well that doesn't fit in this Frame. So, how can I ignore it or explain it away, right? Yeah that's been helpful and my sense of wonder you were saying there's some things that do open you up. Now, what will those? Look, like I just got back from Africa like a day day and a bit ago and I was thinking about this a lot on the trip. There. There was these incredibly powerful weather systems that would change on a dime and some of the areas where I was and it just reminded me of that when you were talking about space like, you know out in this big field that used to be a lake not a field more like a desert and Covered with salt because all of the water has been dehydrated and you can see for miles and miles and miles and then all of a sudden clouds and Rain appear and rainbows and you can I don't know if you've seen this. It's pretty it's pretty special. I don't get to see very often in Vancouver because the mountains are all around us, but when a rain cloud is approaching from far away, you can actually see what I mean. Looks like it wasn't there a second ago, and now it's there and it makes me It made me in particular on this trip feel small. Like wow. There's this there's this thing this Earth that we've tried to subdue. We've actually been told it was a good thing to take down to have Mastery over it and to devalue it on some level and and here the Earth is doing whatever she wants and we are kind of powerless to that and there was a few times we had to split because weather systems were so powerful and they were moving in so quickly we have to get out of where we are because we would have been either in danger or just Racked so I think weather systems and then I just moved into this new apartment. I finished a residency in August and moved back to Vancouver. And we moved into this new apartment and outside the front door are all of these incredible rose bushes, and I cannot walk by them without spoiling them. I can't it feels like I have regularly have been light places because I'm a gotcha. I just have to go back and sell them and so I put my whole face right in the bush. As a good living the metaphor, that's right. Exactly. Yeah. No, I have to stop and smell these roses. You know, I have to I'm compelled it's a compulsion almost so I think the sensory Elements of Life are really a really rich for me right now whether smells I was again on the way home from Africa and Europe and feeling feeling my feet on the ground of stones that have been warned. On over centuries Millennia of people walking on them. And and in the way that's kind of erased in the west coast because of what we've done to our indigenous people and their land and how new everything seems compared to Europe because it's just been around for so much longer in Europe, but these Stones feeling my feet on the stones and seeing how worn they are again as a reminder of like how long this human story has been going on in a way that I can. Feel for my feet. Yeah, it's fast. I like that. I like Wonder to think a lot about like when I say Landscapes just thinking about the time it took to create the landscape. Yeah, that makes me feel very very small. But so I'm very in my head naturally, but I've been learning how much I actually benefit from focusing on connecting my body your work with the liturgist or just follow me on social. Immediately your thoughts about that have been been very helpful. Did I could be totally wrong on this but I feel like I was following William Matthews here co-host from the liturgist and feel like he was talking about you introducing him to the concept of thinking about your body as Community. Yeah. I think we were talking about if I'm correct assumption talking about fear and how we can The community on the inside of our body are thinking like I've developed this idea a little bit more sense than but thinking about our body as a family as a system or holding Parts within the whole that allow us to access a sense of together or togetherness on the inside for us, maybe even a relationality even as I'm saying this like I'm touching my chest with my hand in a way that implies like a relationality between myself and myself. So I don't know if that's what you were thinking of or maybe that's what he's I just kind of wanted to hear your thoughts on it because you didn't expound on it, but he was saying was had been really helpful for him. It's interesting even that thought while it seems like it's dividing the Oneness of you. It's somehow like the getting at the connection of the many in your Oneness like brings you a deeper sense of that. Yeah, so allowing there to be Parts within a whole but don't take away from the Nurse or the connectedness but allow us to actually lean into the connection in a way that brings brings us together with ourselves. I think it's like also for a time and for a purpose like there are times when something has scary has happened and I have thought to myself. I'm feeling really alone. I'm feeling terrified and overwhelmed and I don't really know how to get out of the situation and thinking about the parts that live within us, perhaps like a caregiver or of part and the scared part and those being in dialog allows allows me to regulate myself using Parts as a way to help one aspect of yourself, maybe come into some balance so that you can regain a sense of hole because in those moments when we feel overwhelmed, we're not in a sense of Oneness or connected with our cell connectedness with ourselves and all things. There's like a we've leaned into something particularly connected to survival. Things perhaps that takes us away from a sense of knowing we're okay and so we can in the separating or the seeming or the supposed separating of Parts on the inside of ourselves actually bring everything back into balance again, but that means imagining or for me anyway imagining a scared part of me gets some comfort from a really secure knowing connected part of me and that those are in dialogue and because he'd mention being in our head. And I think that but that's for some of us easy to imagine doing cerebrally like okay. There's a discourse between these parts in my in my mind and I can have a dialogue, you know, the scared part says this and then the secure part says this but to do that with our bodies perhaps to acknowledge that there's more to us than ahead and that our body is actually a really powerful way of changing our thinking systems one of the pieces of data that has been really influential for me and understanding the role. The body and shaping what's happening in the head is that we have for everyone neuronal message going from our brain to our body. We have nine going from our body to our brain. And so if you've actually if you're looking at like nine times the data going up to our thinking as going the other way around what we do with our body can actually shift what we're what's happening in our thinking. So yeah using touch using breath using posture using movements. All sorts of things in our body to create a sense of connectedness then can actually kind of shift the stuff that's going on upstairs. Mmm Yeah, that's really interesting it. I think if you ask that someone to just guess that they would guess almost the opposite. I'm sure that's right. Yeah, which is a function. I would say of like a post Descartes World a post Play-Doh World a western a colonization world and maybe even an ant Eccentric world where traditionally sarab reality was a way to leave the confines of our physical existence like there is there's death and lust and pain and suffering and illness in our bodies and going into our brains as been a way to survive and transcend and maybe even to feel a sense of infallibility or permanence like if our bodies are suffering, but we can leave our bodies by going into our minds then then we really are. Invincible then we really do go on that's in I think it's been a great survival strategy. That's really interesting to you. Is that something you've thought about a lot because I was just asking to ask you like where you thought the Western mindset started to shift more to I mean, I know some of it probably comes out of Greek thought which is a bit more heady heady and disconnected. Yeah, we see I think especially in the church growing up in the church as a someone who was really discovering. Feminist identity is often really frustrated with Paul because of the you know Flash versus Spirit dichotomy that were given and I didn't realize until a few years ago that that was Paul kind of puppeting his socio-cultural context. He was speaking through the lens of everybody the the lens that everybody at his time knew that there was like Spirit was one thing and matter or body was another thing and That all shaped we've got Descartes meditations on first philosophy was really said mind and body are separate that was in the 1600s and the Industrial Revolution and all sorts of stuff that happened around wartime with how bodies were used and what was happening in the mind-body split around then really set up our education education systems. I mean, if you look at it, it's really we can trace the back forever and just see that this idea that the mind Just superior to the body influences so much of what we do including right how we survived but also How We Do Recreation look at professional athletes who will say like mind over matter or you need to you need to kind of subdue the body the body is this this problem this thing a machine even if you look at it positively the body's a machine that needs to be controlled and fine-tuned. I'll just to accomplish this goal that perhaps at times Is maybe not healthy or unrealistic or just dismisses the limitations of our physicality in our existence? It's a lot all sorts of people. Yeah much smarter than I have have traced the connections between all these things and it's been really interesting to see how all of that gets woven into our faith and spiritual context, especially like even whiteness. I mean whiteness and the church meant you sit still you stand in an orderly fashion you sing in an orderly fashion. And and I've heard some interesting kind of Liberation theologist talk about why why it's possible for people of color in North America to have been through so much trauma and still be able to have joy. It's like they're moving their bodies all the time in church, like church was an Avenue for dance and sing singing in such a way that allowed them to connect with their physicality and release the trauma in the body in a way that people white people in churches have never been allowed to Do the I've heard it said the the Frozen chosen. Yeah, it's really good. Not only that they're doing something different but generally are unable to imagine that that's not just the right way of exactly existing or worshipping. Yeah. This is the way we've always done it whole self. See you're writing a new book. Mmm-hmm. Yeah, where are you in that process? So about half half done the manuscripts to in March, but it's about all this stuff. So it's kind of top of mind right now. The book is called embodied and I think the subtitle were working with right now is why what you think feel and do when it comes to your body matters for just about everything? That's great. And I yeah talk about disembodiment embodiment emotion sexuality trauma pain and illness the body politic. So how the body is related to experiences of Oppression. It's kind of this. I've had some of my friends refer to it as my Manifesto all of this kind of stuff but it's it's about time that this comes out because all of the all of the stuff about embodiment like the things that I'm quoting for you these ideas, These Scholars have thought through this stuff way more than I have are all primary source philosophy text at this point. Nobody wants to read about embodiment in the original German like Heidegger, whatever. So, yeah, if we're going to change our relationship to our bodies and we're going to become healthier and more whole people. We need sources and discourse us accessible to us. It doesn't feel like, you know, it's over there and just for this for the privileged. So yeah, that's kind of where I'm at with the book about Out halfway, and I'm writing the chapter right now on illness and pain and how we understand illness and pain especially through a lens that our body is good. Mhm, when normally illness and pain are reasons that we like hate our physicality real man. My body is one that I won't just can't get better like what's wrong with I just this pain or this like whatever this thing is really getting in the way of my my quality of life. So trying to The script on that a little bit to see our bodies is good which Probably sounds like different than you and I both grew up with like we probably grew up with the story that the body I don't want to speak for you but maybe that connects on some level the story that the body is bad. And yeah, I just always been fed that even if it's not said it's kind of implied in a lot of ways in the western church. So I was thinking yesterday. So we played a show are in ear monitors were all messed up so I couldn't hear myself very well and I When I can't hear myself very well. My throat does not like it and I because I'm over singing I'm singing too loud to try to hear myself and right so it starts it starts not working like I wanted to and I was totally I think it was in the middle of the show thinking about the relationship of me to my throat and I'm like trying not to be angry at it. And then I was like that's thinking this is probably the same feeling as you get older and older just Like why are you not working body like but I was I was curious if you were gonna dress stuff like that. So I'm excited for the book. Yeah, I will and when I hear you talk about the throat actually think about like what we were talking about just a minute ago about the relationship between Parts like our body is community and like your throat and your ears. We're not in dialogue in the way that they normally are had it wasn't just thrown it was like here is like ears aren't getting the information. Nation that they need to help this feedback system of approach suggests. We scapegoat our bodies when our bodies don't work the way we want them to so we tend to not pay attention to our bodies at all, except if our bodies are doing something we don't want them to and then we get angry at our bodies and it reinforces the Sloop that our bodies are back because we're only ever paying attention when they're not working like air quotes there. It's a really interesting thing to try and flip that and maybe even to bring us back to where we started with Wonder like what? Be like to pay attention to when our bodies are in kind of in a space that feels good and flow maybe even comfort and pleasure. We don't pay attention to our toes until we stop them like we don't pay attention to our throat until it's not working. You're not like on an average Wednesday like throat way to go. Thanks for communicating that order to the cafe attendant reverently and that makes me it makes me think of the idea that you know, you remember Something negative instantly, but to actually like we're taking something that was good. You have to focus on it for like 5 or 10 seconds or something. Do you know I don't like 15. Yeah. Yeah. Have you read any of Eric Hanson's work? This is one of the neuroscientist who's come up with that the velcro theory that because we're because ever survival mechanisms are brain integrates negative or threatening information than 50 milliseconds and it takes about 15 seconds for us to integrate positive. A neutral stimuli. Yeah, and like integrated into our system in such a way that we're taking it in. So we're just so primed to notice the negative stuff and have that be like the overwhelming story. Okay. So it takes so much effort to do the opposite. So if that's true then what does that how does that relate to the way that we relate to our bodies then if we're trying to see them as good. I'm sure going to dress this in the book. But until it comes out. Is there a way that or ways that you would say would help people begin to connect to their bodies as good? Good. Yeah, like noticing just noticing starting by noticing like what does it feel like to be in my body right now? So it like how about you and I do this and we can ask the listeners to do this along with us, but pay attention to how you're sitting right now for a second. And if you were to drop into your body like do you want to do you want to shift? Is this the most comfortable way to sit or does it up? Nice? Yeah, so like adjusting I did that to my shoulders come back a little bit. Okay, we need to address the microphones because wow like we were perhaps both of us. I saw both of us. I'm just looking into the mics and like didn't I didn't even notice that I was just in my head thinking about it and then we decide we're going to adjust and I see you adjust and then I adjust and like okay now I need to shift my chair up a little bit more so we don't really pay attention to right so it starts by paying attention and just noticing and that's a that's a pretty classic a mindfulness practice as not is not paying attention to just the hard stuff but training our brain to be with whatever's And happening to be in it and then I would say when you notice stuff that feels really good. Try to stay with that for a few seconds longer than you normally do if you like the taste of something in your mouth, like try and Savor that thinking about holding it with you almost as if you're trying to crystallize it so that in 20 years from now if you never had that same piece of chocolate or that same beer or whatever it was again that you could come back to this moment because you so deeply connected to the memory in the sensory. Formation, we just don't pay attention to stuff like that. Yeah, it made me think when you're talking about that this disconnect especially that I saw growing up in the church with so this kind of relates to the Past like 10 minutes. We've been talking about but all of these ways of noticing your body whether it's sex or eating something delicious are feeling the grass beneath your feet. They're really ignored. and whatever your concept of God is I view all those things as as worship as this connection to everything and all of that's been stripped out in a certain way of thinking about religion and it becomes about just this Ascent to a certain set of doctrines and worship is you singing a certain kind of song and standing a certain kind of way and Everyone's being forced into that in general. I mean, so I think what happens is that kind of way of worship works for some people and doesn't work for a lot of people and they just sit there feeling like I guess I something's wrong with me that I don't feel right, you know this right now, right? So like there's that we confuse what what might be true about these ideas in our faith tradition with the culture of How It's been done by a certain group of people. People who had a lot of power who thought things should happen a certain way and it's really hard to tease out I think for so many of us that worship could be something else and that it was just a story one one option one story of how things could go. Yeah, I think about the irony of all of this being that for those of us who grew up in Christianity like whole idea is incarnations. Yeah. The whole idea is like God was like, you know what let's let's do this in the body so that you can None of the divides that you've created actually exist that your flesh can be part of this story of God to yeah, and I and we missed it. We're like, okay that's cool like for you to Jesus or like that idea two thousand years ago, but that that can't be true of my physicality that God is somehow outside of My Flesh that God is somehow distinct from what's happening right now in this moment of sensory. Ants and and I wonder if we miss the whole point in that. I think we do and I I've really enjoyed learning from Richard. Rohr and other people this the idea of the franciscans have for a long time understood the Incarnation to have begun at the Big Bang or whatever the beginning of everything is like that is the information what we generally call. The Incarnation is a picture of that happening at a smaller level or a more specific. Away, but yeah, I think about it too like God saying, oh you didn't get it. Okay, I'm gonna make it real easy for you to get I'm really gonna do this like in the body this time just so you know, it's all connected because we didn't go to the first time around back to this idea of kind of Andhra centrism in in Western philosophical thought that it it's a particular slice or flavor of Faith to say that spirituality is just about Transcendence about leaving what's happening and there have been many many many traditions and branches within Christianity that have said you forgotten about imminence you forgotten about the right now and buy only ever saying leaving what's happening right now is the way to get to God you miss that God is right here right now all of this unfolding so Eminence has been for me. Really important, I would say shift and direction in my faith and spirituality of the last few years of realizing. Oh, I don't have to leave what's happening. I can be right here and trust that I'm in in it all as it is as I'm doing the dishes as I'm sitting with a client in therapy as I'm doing a podcast with you, whatever it is. I'm doing my taxes like this is this is all God unfolding. Yeah, absolutely. So I have some questions from patrons that I really prefer and if they were very very excited that you were coming on. Oh, there's a lot of response and people were excited. So one of the patrons chased remain says so as you help people through personal struggles mistakes hardships, excetera, do you view people as inherently good inherently evil or something more complex? How does your view on this affect your counseling methods / ideologies? What a good question. I think of people is inherently good. It in learning about trauma and Trauma Theory really that was kind of the beginning of my unfolding of what I previously thought was sin. So these things that we've been told are really bad and sinful are often really just people's bodies and nervous systems responding to pain in ways. The only ways that they know how the more I understand neurobiology. Like how are or even interpersonal neurobiology how we're connected to each other how that shapes our nervous systems how that shapes how we we cope and Thrive. It seems like everything has a purpose but sometimes the purpose is that of the behavior that we engage in like stealing or substance use or hurting other people like it's not prosocial. It's not really adaptive for our current environment, but it makes sense on some level be it hormonal an emotion regulation level or some sort of pre-modern level as our as our systems are just doing what they were evolved to do a long time ago. So It helps to see people as good because it allows me to be in a room with people who are really hurting and I've hurt other people and help them see the story of themselves that they weren't usually shown the interesting Paradox in therapy is that it's often the people who who have been shown the least compassion and love and security and stability that have the most challenging and problematic presentations of their mental health. And so although our society set up to be punitive. Have other the name that's often given to that is like a corrective system with actually corrective as people being shown their goodness in such a way that they don't have to keep escaping the pain that comes from feeling not good enough. There are some people that I find it really challenging to work with people particularly people with paraphilias. I find it really hard to hear about those stories. So I've decided because I can't model to them their goodness that I can't do the work that that they deserve to have in the room. So I've decided there's some people that are just it's really challenging for me to work with but man it really informs everything about the way that I do therapy. It's different to sit in a room with someone who believes you're good and helps you see that goodness in such a way that it allows it to come to the Forefront versus sitting in a room with someone who's like, okay you have a problem. I'm going to change you which really tends to lead us back into the same system that got us stuck which is like I need to earn my enough. Yes, I need to earn my value and I just don't think that's that's kind of how it works developmentally. Well, we're on the methods ideologies. I was going to ask you a saw you said aedpa accelerated the experiential Dynamic Psychotherapy is your favorite. Look at favorite method of that's rolling off the tongue counseling. Could you tell us a bit about what that is and why you're so fond of it. Mmm-hmm. So that's something I've been doing training and for the last little while and it's one of the things that I do there's a lot of things that I do particularly trauma based therapies, like EMDR or any somatic work anything that connects us to an attachment system, but ATP is really really exciting and important for me because it it hits at this this thread that we're all connected to each other and that we don't we don't At our wounding and isolation, but we don't heal our wounds and isolation either and I we can use right relationship with each other to help us reset our internal self system because if you actually look at like what the self system is, it's it's a conglomerate. It's a kind of like the pulling together of all of the interpersonal interactions we've ever had particularly the ones with people who were supposed to take care of us and our most important to us the people who we've assumed like assigned the most value to and all of those micro interactions and macro interactions shape the way that we see ourselves and what we believe about ourselves. Do we believe we're good. Do we believe that we're okay that we're safe that were dangerous that were, you know, we need to be ashamed of ourselves so we can use relationship with people who see who we really are to help us write our sense of self on the inside. The other thing that I love about ATP is it hints at how Aloneness is so most of our experiences of pain have not been or like fragmentation in our in our experiences a humid have not been necessarily because they've been awful but awful in such a way that no one understood or that we didn't have someone with us to help us make sense of them or we felt like we had to choose between what was true for us and connection and in losing the connection. We retained a sense of knowing about who we are but We lost the desire or the ability to be in community with people that were important just a sidebar like one of the most important theories that we have about mental health issues right now. Is that mental health issues and depression and anxiety to addictions panic attacks trauma our emotion regulation disorders that it's our inability to notice what we're feeling and feelings again are in the body notice what we're feeling and respond appropriately given any social context or what's going on around Us and what we need to accomplish at that time. So ATP is really about looking at how we how healing is there in us. We don't need to work for it. We just need to find it and we can heal in context where with someone who can show us how to emotionally regulate and teach us how to feel in ways that we often haven't been allowed to feel or haven't been taught to I wonder does that require a different presence from the therapist? In that kind absolutely is that is that you find that draining or is it life-giving know? It's like it feels like the most exhilarating thing in the world like the thing about doing therapy and being being in therapy in the way that I don't know. I guess we often see portrayed in the media on on TV that there's this kind of detached Blank Slate person who every once in awhile pipes up and says something but it's kind of passively taking notes the rest of the time like it feels like I have to reduce the fullness of my Humanity to do therapy in that way. I have to like be there but be kind of invisible and doing therapy in an attachment oriented way. That's really about the connection between me and someone else means that I get to be in the room to I get to have feelings I get to share those feelings and say wow like when you said that I felt so sad that someone hurt you if I felt sad or like whoa hearing about how well this week went. I'm noticing because I care about you. I feel really proud of you. I I feel really excited. And so I'm allowed to feel things too. And that means that I get to be fully human in a room and connect with someone too. It's very cool. And I think everybody on some level wants an interaction like that like we it's confusing at first because what we've been told about therapy is that you just come and talk Ad nauseam, you know for 50 minutes and then you write a check and what we know about like the Neuroscience of transformation is that that's actually not how people change they don't change. Based on Insight. They don't change based on talking and having a solitary experience and having someone just there being passive we change by having a corrective experience where we were previously alone and now we're not alone or something felt overwhelming and now it's not overwhelming or someone never said, I'm sorry and then we hear like, I'm sorry or we didn't get to say the thing. We wanted to say now we get to say say the thing we wanted to say, so just just talking doesn't actually create change. There's the kind of a doing something that has to happen and it's super effective in light of that. How do people find that in he had a therapist like what what should people be looking for? Because I think it's a scary thing to try to without going into like, you know, trying to break down all the different methods, whatever it like what what is something that people should be looking for in a therapist that they're trying Yes, I always say to people when you look for someone look for someone who who you feel safe enough to be uncomfortable with someone who really feel like a showing up in the room with you and is is going to name things that are hard for you to see on your own so someone who's engaged and involved. Generally we might call that attachment based or experiential relationally driven. So those are words keywords that people can look up at they're doing a Google search for therapist, but there's also an ADP therapy. The Search tool on the website. They DP Institute that you can look up for a therapist in your area. But I always say like getting a room with someone and see how it feels and if it feels like they're really present with you and you feel like you want to go hard places with them and it would be okay to go to the hard places and that's probably a good fit for you. So right now we seem to be in the middle of a movement towards a more egalitarian way of living in the world where gender roles don't need to be defined in the way that they might have been in the past or reinforced by patriarchal structures. And I personally welcome that but I also find it fascinating as I look at how those structures seem to emerge in certain ways from an evolutionary background in the sense that non-human animals. Form certain roles instinctually and are biologically programmed for them. So the interesting thing to me is that we've reached a point in the development of Consciousness where we're able to look back and see ourselves and decide if we want to move Beyond these structures that biological programming has previously had a large role in placing us. So first off. Do you have any pushback on those assumptions that I'm making here? Is this your One or is this a list of this is mine. Ah, good good. I think that Consciousness allows us to consider felt experience in a way that we haven't before so like I'm watching this series of animal documentaries on Netflix right now and like looking at mating rituals and just how how animals treat each other's bodies. There is a function there in terms of like how the parts work and what's being accomplished in in some sort of like mating ritual. But what's not being considered through the lens of Consciousness is what does it feel like for each person? How does that work? Does it does it promote the dignity and the full Humanity of the other person? So when we start to look at this tension, I think that there are lots of ways that we can excuse problematic Behavior by saying well, it's how we have evolved. It's you know, it's the biology but we also like wipe our butts after we go poo with toilet paper instead of our hands so there are some things Things like we've evolved to that. We're like, this is absolutely a necessity that we do this and animals don't do that and we have decided that it's good for our Humanity. So the line of questioning feels kind of problematic because it seems to only want to challenge the things that have in created a sense of power for one group and not for the other but we tend to not Challenge from an evolutionary perspective the things that we No are not good for all of us like hygiene practices. So the the challenge that people have around the evolutionary biology pieces that it disrupts power and that it makes a makes us think about lived experience in a way that we haven't had to up into this point. And so yeah. Those are those are kind of my initial thoughts. I think even your initial response talking about that. What does it feel like like in that situation? It is kind of where I'm trying to drive to is what does that say about what Consciousness is and how does it relate to what we view as moral goodness. Mmm-hmm. Yeah. Do you have a sense of what Consciousness is or kind of a working Theory? I'm into process philosophy a bit. So I feel like there's some truth to this idea that. Consciousness kind of goes all the way down to a certain degree and it's our Consciousness is clearly more complex than a dogs or even more than ants and whatever but that there's some kind of thread there. But what I find interesting is that we Som have gotten to this place where we can look back and be like, I don't know if we want to be like that anymore like what that's right? Yeah. What what is it look like so For me this ties in to morality in the sense that we now get to decide to build a morality or to be aware of one that is built out of trying to understand the connections and the lived experiences of people that are not ourselves. Yeah. Yeah, it's complex and man. I mean when we add the conversation of evolutionary biology into it feels important. to acknowledge that most of the things that were conscious of we don't even know we're conscious of so, there's like a consciousness of which we are aware and then there's a Consciousness that we carry within us that we are not aware that is is constantly shaping conscious thought so paying attention to information and stimuli coding sensory memory all of the stuff that happens on a subcortical level that isn't our actual the the kind of thoughts that we are aware of that you and I can reflect on and dialogue about there's a Consciousness that we're carrying on the inside that is actually shaping those thoughts that we don't really even know of most of the time that could be embodied that could be sensory that can be environmental that could be cultural and so as we're having conversations about Consciousness, we can be aware of the fact that we are conscious of lots of things but not always conscious about everything that We're conscious of that's interesting. I wonder do you think that over time like if you tried to imagine way into the Future Would a bunch of those unconscious elements that are influencing everything would those shift slowly along with the way that our conscious thought shifts the way that our society begins to act differently together. Like I wonder if it gets to the point eventually or could that a lot of those things? That are getting in the way now from a certain evolutionary past that no longer is making sense with our present if those would start to shift. I guess a lot of them were pretty deep but pretty deep. Well even let's just take a singular human and their life like there's something called dissociation that can happen which is when we're in a heightened state of distress our physiological arousal our ability to encode memory changes and the part of our brain responsible for conscious thought actually X kind of functionally from the part of our brain that stores memory so we can be storing memory about environmental cues, like smells or sounds or Landscapes that are logged into our trauma response system of which we have no conscious memory. So we're walking along the street and we sell smell something or see something and we jump and we freaked out and have no idea. Why does it were having a panic attack? But our body is remembering how whatever the environmental cue is. For exposed to reminds us of some trauma that we have. So we're in that moment freaking out having a panic attack and we've got a few options about how we make sense of that because we're dry driven constantly in our kind of our hyper-rational society to try and make sense of our reactions. So we turn on ourselves what's wrong with me. I'm having a panic attack. This is horrible. I can't believe it. I'm weak. I should be in control. We blame the environment what's wrong with you? You know the the driver that just drove. By we swear at them we scream at them we hide we disconnect we distract ourselves. And so there's all of this Behavior that's going on and then there's a story that were telling about that behavior, but we have no idea that our body system our Consciousness on a subconscious or pre reflective level is shaping our behavior that then we are conscious of but we don't understand the level of Consciousness that shape the behavior in the first place. Yeah, so Yes, there's all of these evolutionary things that happen on a big picture like why is dissociation a function of our neuron anatomical function? Why is it that the The Junction between our frontal lobe and our limbic system stops communicating blood flow when we get overwhelmed that's an evolutionary mechanism that could change over time if we felt safe enough as a species. I'm hypothesizing that we wouldn't need to engage in that kind of response anymore. But I don't know if we'll ever be. conscious of some of the things that are unconscious accept that will become more conscious of how unconscious they are just being more aware that there's a lot going on beneath the surface that yeah, which I think is really helpful to know what I think it can give you more grace for yourself and for other people because absolutely I definitely grew up with this idea of It is as if everyone had the same ability to respond to the same situations in the same way and you're like we did you do good or did you not do good? Did you and it's like perfect. Are you create like sorry. That's another name we cannot but in saying it but there's just no way that that's a Level Playing Field on so many different things. And so if you can start to understand that that level there's not a Level Playing Field that people's nature and nurture our Totally in different spaces than yours. Yeah. Just yeah, I don't know it gives you a lot more compassion. I think oh absolutely like even a person who was in a repeatedly traumatizing environment to the point that they're nervous system got habituated to that and then we look at that person and say why are you re creating all of these problematic relationships in your life? Why do you keep engaging in this behavior that behavior and and yes, we want to hold a person accountable in such a way that we say to people you you can change we know it's possible. But what we don't know often when we're looking at someone who's doing something that seems problematic is that's probably the only or best choice that they have at that time up until the playing field gets leveled a little bit and then there's the option and support to do something different. But if we like kind of go back to your question around we could say gender or sex if we're looking at all of these things that shape our Consciousness that the Consciousness were aware of that were not even necessarily conscious of a lot of those are related to social programming in the things that have been reinforced in US culturally and interpersonally around like what kind of behaviors are valuable and who gets the most power and how that power is distributed and why that's valuable. and how we distribute rewards societally that reinforced to continue behaving in these in ways that condone these scripts around gender or sex and and so the question even the question I think we should be conscious of like why is why is our push back on the dissolving of gender scripts pointing to maybe even some conditioning of our Consciousness that were not aware of is it possible that That that are resistance to the changing discourse around gender or perhaps the redistributing of power to lots of different people. Is there is there a reason why maybe that feels uncomfortable for some of us based on who's had power and what's felt comfortable and what feel scary if things start to change that I mean, that's really what I'm trying to get out by asking it is you have a social conditioning you have certain biological things and Both can be kind of leaned on to maintain certain power structures and well not and then you have a third piece would be like a religious piece really? Well, this is the way that you know, we think God made it to be for XYZ reasons. So if you lean on all of that it becomes very very strong force in society. I think so hard stuff seemed to shift for sure. Yeah, especially like I think religious system. Eames as much as we like to give it some sort of special status is just another social contacts just another social code. The difference is that were explicitly told in religious religious context that this is the right and ultimate code that determines the future of all mankind. So there is a kind of Gravitas to that in a way that makes us ascribe more value to it than say like something we see in you know in a magazine or at school. How important for you are mental health diagnosis I can they be constraining or freeing is it I said when you're when you're treating someone is that something that you feel like is important to figure out a certain diagnosis. Hmm. Yeah, I'll answer that in two ways. I've had lots of diagnosis in my life particularly when I was really struggling with an eating disorder and was in treatment. and for many many years it felt like a man every time I saw a new psychiatrist, I was getting another diagnosis and then I would meet someone and see see them look at my file and see all the labels in such a way that I felt this shift in the room between us where like I was all of these things and everything that we were doing from this point on was through the lens of the labels that were listed on that piece of paper in the file and and my Science of diagnosis was at times really dehumanizing. So I think about it really cautiously. My framework is not so much necessarily to look at people through the lens of pathology but more to look at people through the lens of like, how does this make sense on how do we help you experience the conditions under which you can then maybe not need some of these coping behaviors or perhaps your biology shifts a bit because you got what you needed. I would say to kind of come back to the question though it really Depends on the person and this is primarily the way that I practice is really person-centered. So I'm not going to decide if it's helpful for you you get to decide if it's helpful for you and if having a label has been dehumanizing and objectifying and made you feel like you are or your problems. Then we're probably not going to use that label. But if you have been suffering so acutely and you're feeling like you're losing your mind because you don't know how to make sense of everything sometimes saying hey, there's a name for this. There's a bunch of other people you could connect with that might help you feel less alone. Then then it probably is really helpful. But again, it depends on the person and what the person needs and I tend to not make my mind up about that until I meet someone and hear what they think about it. That sounds like a good option having some way of understanding our behavior in such a way that we can feel relieved about it having a function like, oh they're this is the reason I do this and then the people Close to us in our lives can also go. Oh your oh you're doing that that way not because you don't love me or not because you know, you're selfish and not because you're whatever it's because you're trying to get this need met or this makes sense in some way and I think it just speaks to our our desire to understand ourselves and we could bring that back to the Consciousness conversation in a way that perhaps is new on the seam for us as humans to to want to understand and be reflective of ourselves in such a way that we make sense and can feel at ease with ourselves. But yeah labels or categories can sometimes be extremely relieving and empowering. Yeah. I found the wedding room very helpful. Just how it any Graham is generally viewed by mental health professionals right now since it's not a scientific kind of way of getting out of it, but it has proven to be very helpful to have two people. Yeah, so I'd like as a scientist and researcher and as someone who is part of my licensure has to use empirically validated methods like that's a really important part of being credentialed is saying like I understand the science behind why I'm using MDR for this instead of that. What I often say to people is we don't have empirical data but empirical data isn't the be-all-end-all. I want you to know that if we use this and our work together that it's not because I can say in a, you know 12-course. Of randomized control trials these people found this and right it's more about if you understand yourself in such a way that it allows you to feel like you can be compassionate towards yourself and other people if it helps you feel like you're growing and getting eyes to see things that were previously unconscious like it doesn't really matter to me how you're doing that if it's helping you be well and flourish and take responsibility for yourself and he'll do it use it. My caveat is always like I don't have the research for this but that's probably just because I could probably have to say that for my license and to remain credible in my field to distinguish between what we have evidence around and what we don't but just because we don't have evidence for something doesn't mean it's not effective or important. It just means we perhaps don't have the framework to capture its efficacy yet and we will at some point in the future and the Enneagram is a really for me and for the people that I work with and people in my life a really really helpful tool for knowing them knowing Yourself by my struggle with the Enneagram is when we use it to box other people and or we use it as a shorthand to get to know someone in such a way that actually like kind of fragments the complexity of a person or their knowing that that I struggle with and don't love but if people are using it for themselves or as a way of building compassion between people I think it's Really Exquisite to us. I think that building compassion is huge because I think you end up making assumptions about other people's motives. Anyway, right like without ever knowing so having a tool to maybe at least push back against your whatever you were thinking before like, oh, they're just doing this because this and if you have a tool that's like maybe it's actually this and usually I feel like the the reason that you see with the intagram like that whatever that deep fear or hurt or whatever. It is that humanizes the behavior that you're bothered by right that they might be doing. That's right. Yeah, I can I can see how that would feel like that which comes back to the like the one of the first questions that one of the patrons asked around bullying people are good. Like I think the Enneagram helps us see people as being good and when we believe people are good and they're doing their best we have way more compassion for them and I can't imagine a world where having more compassion for people or believing in their goodness would Really impaired are flourishing or well-being. I think it's it's one of the most beautiful ways for for me to live to see the good in other people, but I think it also is part of what would help us all heels. If we saw the good in each other and assumed that even if we didn't understand something that there was a probably a story underneath it that made sense of it. I think that's a choice at the end of the day that we get to make to say. We're good cool. That's a great spot to end. So you've got the new book coming out. It's called it's called embodied or in body. That's it embodied. Yeah, that's coming out. You have a book out called Mothers Daughters and Body Image learning to love ourselves as we are Hillary L McBride.com Hillary element Bride on Twitter and at Hillary Liana McBride on Instagram. You got anything else that people should be looking for looking for you out there? Yeah there I have a podcast on CBC. Yeah, which is called other people's problems. It's a podcast where with A patient's permission. We put microphones in the session. You can hear me doing therapy with people and talk about kind of in in voiceover segments that interrupts or break up the therapy session why people are doing what they're doing how I making sense of it. So for people who are new to therapy or trying to understand it or want to kind of get more insight into themselves that can be a great place to head. That's other people's problems. And then as you mentioned on the liturgist podcast and All of that related stuff. Awesome. Well, thank you so much Hillary for taking the time. I appreciate it. If you have a moment today, it would help a ton. If you could leave us a review on Apple podcast and share this episode with a friend. Be sure to follow the podcast on Twitter and Instagram at carry the fire pod. 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We're going to break it down for you but us stay tuned welcome to popcorn Tom featuring movie discussion news and interviewed popcorn talk. We talk movie and now here's pop corn stalks anatomy of a movie. Hey, and we're back for yet. Another popcorn talk networks. Anatomy of a movie where today to be big to do is happening. We are going to talk about the the the mega movie horror movie creepy movie. We'll figure it all out. But if we are going to talk a lot about us today, so we know that I've actually had this requested. We're going to talk about this movie. And I said yes. Yes, we are and look we're making it happen because it was requested from our audience. Okay, it's we're here to talk about us. Hey and welcome Marissa Serafini, how are you read and get yes, or am I really the Mercy Surgery? All right. Don't know don't kick me out. I don't know. Welcome back. How are you? I'm sorry for the both of you. I'm sorry for the Marissa and I'm sorry for whoever's Tethered to me. And today we will get into what tethering and tether it is and Us in all this the big Jordan Peele movie has follow-up to get out again this this week above and beyond all other weeks this this mention is quite important. We always spoil a movie we break a movie Down via plot points and this movie does have twists. There are things in regards to the storytelling that many would consider as being spoilers. So if you have not seen us and you should always tune in to us, but if you haven't seen the movie us to an out because I think the movie hi pause. Yeah. Just don't watch TV. On Pine and I really do think that the movie is better served the less, you know about it but not according to the universal marketing execs. We will talk about that later. But yes, and if you have seen the movie well welcome. We will talk about all those plot points and try to get a better sense and feeling as to what the hell us was all about. So without further Ado you've been fairly warm. Earned and now we're going to just to do we start off as every show our opinions Marissa. We're going to start off on to my far right stage left. Thanks. Well, I think okay. So, you know, I do not do whore or scary or any of that made out. So I went in like oh God here we go, the first half an hour legitimately creepy and like and they were pretty earned and then like once I started figuring out what was happening. I was like, Okay. Now that I've seen them quote unquote us once I saw them has like okay, they're not as scary looking and then I went and then I was like pretty in for the rest of it, but I had to get through the first half an hour 40 minutes to get there all the scary parts and then so the first part was like what and then the second part was like what the hell is going on? Yeah, but overall it was a it was a fun ride. I'm not gonna lie and I can tell you I've been To horror movies with Marissa not a lot because she's not into that shit. It's a movie with a show. That's all I could say. I am quite yeah, she is quite the show. It's quite entertaining. So I'm glad you stuck it through there was one point where I audibly be did say out loud and I remember Ah hell nah, so that out loud. I don't remember what exact part but I just remember saying oh hell no, here we go. Nice, but overall. Fun that is very thought-provoking at the end. So I think Jordan Peele did a good job, but with that we were leaves the audience just thinking thinking at the end. You know, what did you think God? I'm like Marissa in the sense that I don't do whore ironically. I do Thrillers, which you would think is very similar, but there's something about a thriller that I can deal with but this was both this was both horror and Thriller. I loved us I thought it was brilliantly done. I kept like thinking how is this going to To size up or like you know, how is this going to replicate the magic that we saw with get out and I think something Jordan Peele does so exceptionally well is the fact that there is always social commentary there and the best thing that I got out of this entire movie overall was what it had to say about upward mobility and class and how you know, as Jordan Peele said in one of his interviews, sometimes you are the monster and you don't even know that you are the monster cool. Yeah, I mean There's lots to unpack here. My first knee-jerk reaction was well for the there was a couple but my first thing a jerk reaction was a this isn't this a lot of people came out saying this is the scariest movie. I've seen no, it's creepy Jordan Peele brings out the creeps and freaks for sure and where I do believe that in horror creepiness and scares can our hand in hand, but they're also separate entities. There can be a difference. It's between a scary movie in a creepy movie this to me was a very creepy movie. There were some scenes that were quite very uncomfortable to sit through. Mmm-hmm doesn't necessarily make it a scary movie. Poltergeist is a scary movie where this was like really it was creepy. I didn't find a quiet place and this is a good comparison because both of these movies came out of South by Southwest with great great build up in word-of-mouth and Buzz quiet place to meet Scary movie where again, I think us was just very creepy. And yeah, there were times where it could get uncomfortable but the the tethered were creepy characters Jordan Peele, I think to his credit made a very different movie from get out if you were going in expecting get out you weren't getting get out. They might have been disappointed. I walked out of the theater. Theater and I was truly befuddled. In fact, one of the first people I saw was a colleague Simon Thompson for meet the movie present. He asked me. What did you think of the movie and I said to him, I don't know what the hell I just watched. I'm still trying to figure out what the hell I just watched. I didn't say how but and that's not necessarily a bad thing because I think in us, there's a lot to unpack. I do think that the the the first half of the movie was really strong. I felt that the third act for me the third a kind of blew it it didn't stay on its toes and I think it became a loss on his toast. It couldn't stay on its that who danced on its toes? It didn't lend the pirouette. Let's just say that so I felt that there was too much trying to be done too much trying to be told In that a lot of the message was lost and became a little confusing and it became a little what the hell exactly. So the first part was what and then the second part was what the hell you got badly how I broke it down with you that's that's basically the called the movie. What what the hell? Yeah, and look I think that I think it's great that a movie could could charge so much discussion. Ian everybody wanted to talk about this movie we're going to get into audience reaction more and I think in a sense to there was some people just didn't like the movie other people's like praised the movie. I'm somewhere in the middle. I did like the movie I respect what Jordan Peele as a filmmaker and writer accomplished because he was breaking a glass. He was breaking the glass ceiling making the Genre different he made something different. This was no sophomore slump for him. He didn't just remake get out, but he did and try to do something different that I applaud and he didn't necessarily fail at it box office numbers would say he didn't fail but I think from an artistic standpoint he by no means failed and if anything like get out, I think the movie really begs of Russian that will have right here and I think a lot of our audience, you know, many people were asking me what did you just what you think and I wanted to try to save it for here because it's hard it for me. Anyways, it really is difficult as it did it took me a long time to unpack and I don't but that was a good thing because it stayed with me throughout the week. I started the beginning of the week and Tuesday Wednesday Thursday. I was still thinking about the Yeah, which is a good sign and not in a bad way. Like it didn't make me angry it stop provoking. You just things a lot of questions at the end where you really only really figure it out until you discuss it with other people. Yeah, and I'm not even for me. Anyways, I've discussed. I still don't have there's no clear definition right on the end. So let's well, let's start talking a little bit about well, you know his his Jordan peels in Operation, let's say he's been what he's been this is something that he thought about with get out being a big hit all doors open for him us was going to be his next movie. I think that he also he loves the doppelganger. Yeah the doppelganger he was making this wall like in the midst of getting out get out was already like being completed and finished but it hadn't had the success that it did now and so he was already working on this. To end its really stemmed from the what he says the idea for this movie came from a deep-seated fear of doppelgangers. And I mean, I know a lot of people have fun with doppelgangers and there's always like that the plot twist of like evil twins evil twins. There's like no what if they really were evil twins coming at you like in just that innate fear that all of us have and like how do you put that into a film? And so that was the Genesis? Yeah. I was I was so surprised by that because when I was listening to interviews, he said that when he was A child he just had this fear that he would be on the subway one day and that he would see himself staring back at him. And when I was a kid, I used to always think if there was only a twin out there that looked like me that would be so cool. Like it was never something that was creepy re re so well agent we all look alike. So isn't that nice? Baby case yeah, I mean the doppelganger story is one that science fiction really adores. It's a major troponin Star Trek has used it in the classic. Well, you know, we see twins always got it from The Twilight Zone. He said he was inspired by like this. Yeah, like episode of yeah, I can definitely be a toilet and I love the movie twins too, even though it's not a doppelganger really, but it was headed to work in my favor. Of all time at the parent. Yeah, this is so crazy. I mean, I've always had a Fascination. It's funny. I have close friends that I have close friends that are twins. And you know, when I think about it, they are almost almost heathered and they're the only ones that can crack the facial recognition on an iPhone like so somebody had an iPhone if one of them had an iPhone 10 the twin could actually that's the one thing you can't yeah. Oh is that so those damn tethered but in any case so yes or Jordan Peele the this Fascination for him was his inspiration to write this and as you pointed out earlier to there is this social political themes that he could incorporate in this above and beyond just race and I think this were this is where some people Where this Schism is when you see get out get out is a is a singular story. There are many themes that you can talk about but it really is absent this self-contained singular story, you know, and where us you can look at it as singular absolutely, but there's so much in it also, it could lead to another film it could not that I want the franchise out of this movie. Well, they just really open universe. Totally doing its you sure. Yeah cuddly doing yeah. Well, you know and we'll we will talk about that. The other thing that this movie had is for horror aficionados or the lover of the horror genre. There's just a crapload of Easter eggs everything from everything from Joel Schumacher's The Lost Boys to now the funny thing is I called the movie HUD taken from just shortening its from Chuck. Could the movie there was a movie called chud, which is cannibalistic humanoid underground dwellers. This is Hut there's it takes out the cannibalistic aspect of that movie and that's basically what this is and I was thinking about but you know, like I said, Lost Boys he uses Twilight Zone reference. There's definitely Jaws are Thriller is in there. There's a lot of horror type references that peel put in. I think well in part because his love of horror and you can tell that he loves the genre I think as a director, he he knows the tropes knows how to move the camera really well and at least build the suspense with the creepiness and he used the same cinematographer that did it follows. Right? And if you ever watch that film and how the camera moves and follows from people to people from place to place, you know, he had the same movie. And he actually used it follows. He told his cast to watch it follows was one of the movies he told like repeat until Loop Nyong'o to definitely go out and see because that was somewhat of an inspiration for how you know, the tethered were going to be in this movie and if he saw it follows about this this evil entity that would follow you there are similarities there. So it follows Is definitely an Easter egg inspiration for him. So again, what did you find folks feel about like what Easter eggs is you find folks find or see I think that it's not so much an Easter egg, but the whole Hands Across America. Yeah, and I found it very generational because granted I'm young. I wasn't around in the 80s, but I know what Hands Across America was was for and then but when you actually actually apply it to how that was a failed project and then when you apply it to now and in the movie, you also might think now this is going to be a failed project statement to sew and I liked how he used just the symbolism of what what the the statement that he was trying to go for her but ended up not going as well as they hoped right now. And that was also in 1987, I believe and during the Reagan Era and It is God who is 86 86 86 I was there but I guess I think the parallel he was trying to draw my interpretation was okay, you're tying. The Reagan Era to the Trump era and Trump has been compared to Reagan and the way that and like how he he talks about like people of color or what he's trying to do without getting too much into politics, like what he's trying to do here in America by making America great again, so I thought that was an interesting. In parallel because this is like one of the first movies to come out during the Trump era kind of criticizing the way things are right now is usually small black klansmen. Yeah, totally and I get what you're saying. And again, it's hard not to the social political implications in us and in get out for that matter. Yeah. They're they're like it's to not address I think would be a great disservice. And we wouldn't be doing our jobs. I mean like comparing Reagan to Trump. Okay, that's one thing if you want but I mean the read to me anyways, there was no there it was there wasn't a mistake that the tether were wearing red. It wasn't a mistake that the tether would not o not only wearing red, but they were yelling a lot and they couldn't talk. Yeah, really and I don't like that wanted a bully because he was taking a different perspective where he even said this in an interview. Views like he has a certain political stance, but you kind of need to look at yourself at times. They like, how are you contributing to the Schism? How are you contributing to like this culture of hate and divisiveness by always thinking like in this way that oh, like I'm right you're not right like people who say, you know, like regardless of political affiliation the people who are like constantly saying, oh, you're a trump supporter. Oh, you're not a trump supporter. Like it's kind of about looking at ourselves to and well, you know, Any really sorry that's got you know, really really really see the political aspect of it. I saw it for more just the symbolism of red evil. Yeah, sure danger and death definitely and so I took it to literally I just at face value. So right look and it's such a red is such a distinguished color where it looks so different compared to the normal humans that we see. Oh absolutely. So just visually gave us something different than we know. Hey, that's something to visually give us a warning. To something to look out for so the tethered we know we could separate delineate that they're the evil ones. Yeah, and at the same time, okay, you know, I forgot I had a conversation about this movie just last night too. You know, I think it's all the the other obvious take away that one could look at it this way and again to the paranal here to the folks who are listening. None of our you know, these These are opinions and things that Well, there are they are that these are these are takeaways that we may have come away with that. We may have read about the Jordan Peele and said you have your opinions your takeaways to they're equally as valid. So we want to hear about them. I think it is like this is one of the strengths of moving making I think that a movie can have this kind of a discussion because the other the other take away 2 is I you know when you watch a movie like us we are our own. own enemy, you know our mirror version of ourselves or you know, we are The Evil Within yeah, so That's one take away another take away. This is brought up yesterday and I didn't think of it this way. But you know, whenever there's any success somebody has to fail somebody somebody gets crunched on it no matter what the success and see relativity. Yeah. So, you know, that's that's another way that the movie but the movie can be looked at that I think is very valid to do so and And I think with the tethered being that they are these underground dwellers. They are the people who are top side. There there there there second to yeah, it's Tethered to their counterparts Heather to their counterparts. They you know, they seem to adhere to similar things. But there they dance they have all these things that they don't they don't voice and I never want that was both literal and In the sense that these are the voiceless, but they also literally cannot speak they cannot speak up for themselves and they're also completely hidden from the rest of society except. I want Outcast except for one for one for rent which is and I think that that very clear distinction and that twist at the end really shows us that our Concepts and Notions of Good and Evil are inherently subjective and that you know, we might think something is evil or we might think something is good without realizing the person Perspective of evil or the perspective of good and also what I thought was the thing that stood out to me the most was the fact that you can have upward mobility and come out of that system and be the only person who comes out of it and it's kind of like a commentary on how people who Rise Up from their situation kind of want to distance themselves from where they came from. It's a nature versus nurture argument as well. Yes, that's and and again because it took well it's interesting because again, you know taking as long as I took to think about the movie, of course, I bring everything back to Star Trek and I talked about and I thought about Star Trek Nemesis was which had to deal with a clump a clone of a very well-respected high-level captain of a flagship Starship and his clone who did not live that life and when the prestige purse Person is talking to this going, you know, you have my DNA in you you could be like me and he's like now here's yeah and you have my DNA and you as well and you didn't live my life because my life was filled with brutality and hatred this is what begets from that we you had a completely different life. We are the same person, but we are different and wear it and I felt that theme come right out of This movie as well as we are the same person but through the twist we learned that through the nurture. In the society that that person who is from underground could have a better life and the switcheroo that happens which is the twist that person didn't have the good life at all almost lost her voice in fact, so that's a huge thing that like made me question. I was like how the hell can she talk. She's educated. She's speaking grammatically, correct for someone who is supposedly like Like not educated or illiterate and that sense and you realize when you see the rest of the the tethered family, they can't speak they're only talking and grunting and stuff. But she's the only one who's speaking and full sentences and that has to do and I love that you're bringing that up right and like so me just thinking of like how the heck can she talk and no one else can uh, how is yeah. How was she educated in that sense? Yeah, and I think that's like such an important point that you just brought up it all goes back. To having access and people don't realize this that the playing field is never equal. So when people talk about the American dream and they say, oh, you know, everyone has the opportunity to achieve success in America. I mean to a certain degree. Yeah, but when we look at it, there is such an unequal playing field and that's exactly what this movie shows is that if you are part of the tethered, what are the chances that you're going to rise up it literally took you how many years to rise up and Revolt and do the Hands Across America thing. Took you that long to orchestrate it to plan it and we still don't know because there's no sequel. We still don't know if it's going to be successful and that really mirrors life for people who are voiceless here in America and around the world is that upward Mobility is so difficult. And once you break free materials like the education, but do you have the chance to actually do something to hold off on that? Because these are really great points. Let's talk about that. Twist, so we're just okay. Well, that's quite so obvious dancing around the yeah, like let's just talk about the twist because I saw that coming. Yeah, the only reason I didn't see it coming is because it didn't make sense to me that there would be a Twist if You know if she had this family and if she was like trying to protect them from the other that's the only reason I didn't see it coming is because why would you be so fearful of them when I don't know I guess I guess that's the only reason why I didn't see it because she acted as if she didn't really know who they were. Well, yeah, it's really good Christy from the entire thing. Yeah, and and again, I think after multiple viewings Jordan Old lays out the bread crumbs for you to figure it out much like M Night Shyamalan did in the sixth sense because a you know, when you go back to watch it, you're like, oh, yeah such a fool. This makes sense what makes and and smile it in the fact that red can speak ya reckon speak those like such a clear that particular thing and the fact that the trailer ruined the movie and show Co and I just watched the trailer the trailer. Our shows the house and mirrors are the fun house and they show the hands coming out and dragging the little girl a d'Alene and they show that they more show it so I don't think that was a giveaway. Well, I didn't watch the movie, you know, and yeah, I mean it kind of is because that's exactly what happens in them movie. Yeah. She she grabs her chokes her out and drags her across and then she So we know what the twist is and we're talking about upward mobility. And I think we're onto something because you're right when and again, this is a horror movie. We're talking about here. So your but you're right. It's sometimes it's hard and nothing nothing makes that more concrete than the the the college admissions Scandal that happened recently. No, I mean, you know, right so you had well-to-do. Do upward Mobility people who were who are well beyond their means fine and comfortable and that they still had to cheat to get there. You know, they're privileged kids, you know who are already making millions Yang influencers into college and our fellow popcorn talk, you know colleague Carla Renata posted a status on Facebook that I thought was so powerful where she said You know, here are people who aren't really being Reprimanded for the College admission scandal in the same way that people of color are when they fake a home address so that they can get their schools into a better public school system and I just thought that was so powerful and it speaks to like that that feeling of upward mobility and like why are you punished for faking an address to get into a better school when public education should be are playing field, but with a College admission Scandal this this stuff happens more than we really know and it happened like Yeah, and I don't go ahead go away. Want to get into the just yeah, but part because we're bringing it back to it, but it's more souls like based on Merit. Yeah, you can have status you can have money but do you actually have Merit to right where you should be and what all of this has to do with what we were talking about what these heathered can represent or and as as a symbolism as a theme and it's one of those things that again it's one of those happy coincidences for a movie. You know movie comes out and some social thing happens that becomes big ass comes out around the same time. It wasn't planned that way. But if you're talking about social political themes in this movie and upward mobility and keeping the person down. This is one thing we talked in your true nature like so so when I Doan is in the upper world right at a battling, right? Yeah when she's in the upper world, she And she goes to school. She has that better life. She is nurtured into she starts to talk again. She uses dance as a way of communication. She meets a pretty decent guy from from the way. I looked at him. He's a really good guy. Okay, she had to get re-education because you didn't she started for technically but the Red Hood now a delay. She hadn't she started with no education. No way to get re-educated right learning dance learning how to speak. And just assimilating herself into the community. Yeah it my whole thing is with with her character going back to Santa Cruz. She knew what was there. She didn't want to she didn't want any opportunity or chance for it to ever come back. She's like I got the hell out. I am doing well. I married good. I have a family. I love my family. I don't ever want to be confronted. That again cuz that scarred me for life. Okay, so like you want to disassociate right now that you have status and class and wealth your kind of disassociating yourself from where you came from because you don't want that life anymore. And I think in some ways that is problematic not that you owe it to to where you came from all the time that you have to always pay back. But the way I see it is, you know, I think it's great when you can Rise Up from a situation, but also give back to that same community and it's something that we see happened time and Time again for people distance themselves. She just wanted out and I get it and it was a 11 12 year old girl. I forget how young she was in 1986. But yeah, this is her opportunity her tethered came to her and it's like that's it Switcheroo. Yeah, I'm the bad. I'm evil twin that that's going to make good and then again, these are all things you think about after you see moving and like what I thought was like somewhere out there. There's a minha just like me who doesn't Of the same opportunities. No, seriously like I when I think about it, I think about wow, I'm so lucky. I'm first generation American both my parents are from Iraq. They got out at the perfect time like during the Saddam regime imagine if they didn't imagine if I was still in Iraq, especially when you know, Iraq was invaded and the country was D stabilized like there's always another us right out there that was never given the same opportunities as us and to recognize that privilege is so important to not just say oh work hard. But to also recognize know we also do have privilege to a certain extent and that's why we are where we are today is we're successful huge part because of that birth water. Yeah, and at the same yes, and at the same time we can become our own enemy. So I want to go back to I want to go back to Easter eggs will get off social-political for a little bit. So, you know already mentioned should we already mentioned the Lost Boys Santa Cruz the carousel but another movie that that that Was at Easter egg and and reference The Goonies another one of my favorite movies also Thriller and also Thriller, of course, we talked about Hands Across America. Hmm. So I want to get on this for two seconds. It will stop. So. Yes, it was a filtering. I remember Hands Across America and everybody lining up, but I think this is one of my biggest I think this is one of my problems with the end of this movie is before we continue In you one of the ways we keep all these shows for you free is by our amazing sponsors. And today Spotify is one of our sponsors on Spotify. You can listen to all of your favorite artists and podcasts in one place for free. You don't even need a premium account Spotify as a huge catalogue of podcasts on every topic including the one you're listening to right now on Spotify. You can follow your favorite podcast. So you don't miss an episode premium users can even download episodes to listen to offline wherever they are and you can easily share what you're listening to with all your friends and following on Instagram if you haven't done so already be sure to Download the Spotify app and search for AfterBuzz TV on Spotify or browse podcasts in the your library tab. Also, make sure you follow us. You never miss an episode of AfterBuzz TV. So I just couldn't find the relevance because so we see them on the mountain tops all hands the helicopters are there and then it fades to Black. I was like, okay what now? Yeah. Exactly. Okay, why are then I was like, okay, but again leaves it open. An end it because if people don't know the results of Hands Across America, you should definitely read our rundown which is some link that will be provided below Hands Across America. It was a charity event where they were raising money for the homeless. They spent more money on the promotions and they end up making right. So the at the end of the event they only made about 15 million That was supposed to end Hunger obviously 15 million can't do that. Yeah, I'll say so, yeah. So in that sense financially sure Phil and that's why he could but the thing is if you if you remember because this in 1986 and the young real Adelaide at that point, she didn't see the outcome of Hands Across America. So by the time she got tethered underground. She didn't know that it was a failed experiment. So she spent her entire life planning this thing and not knowing was going to be filled at the end of it. Yeah thinking exactly. To be successful interested in the way that I looked upon Hands Across America to is, you know, there was a ton of coordination to make it happen, you know, right from a from a money perspective didn't make as much but the coordinated effort and the amount of people that were involved to me. That's that was a success because the the publicity but onto it so I kind of like this is the thing in the 80s. Kind of things like sort of happened Hands Across America. We talked about from Bohemian Rhapsody live at the live 8 concert. There are all these big things going on that that the media whether it be MTV then use could cover from a worldwide perspective. So seeing people line up and holding hands or being connected by music through all you know through different venues. These are important staple of things these were in there were highly extensible. Extremely difficult to coordinate and get together because the technology isn't what it is today. So that was a main staple of of events that took place for me comes out of like the 80s as well. And those are big music acts back then so it's really interesting that the movie starts off for me and it was interesting the movie starts off in the 80s and you're right. I mean the Hands Across America the hype around it and getting people to do it. You're right that Adelaide was on the cusp of the date happening and it didn't do it didn't see the end result. Yeah, that's interesting because that's something else. I didn't think but again, it's also something like if you weren't from that time and didn't know the end result the ending of the movie would be totally wasted and In fairness. I didn't understand the end of the movie until after the The facts and I did my research I was like, oh, okay. So again, it does leave the ending of the movie open-ended where you're questioning. What happens now did it actually succeed did they get their message across and killed everyone in America and now they're the ones who are the dominant ones above the ground. We don't know because it just Fades to Black right? That's it. Yeah. So now another interesting Easter egg that I had to look up and looking at Right now I didn't know if you had picked up. I mean I picked up on it, but I just didn't know what the with the passage of the verse was Jeremiah. Yeah. Yeah Bible verse right? I mean actually has it. Yes. Yeah. I'm looking at it right now. Therefore this is what the Lord says I will bring on them a disaster. They cannot Escape although they cry out to me. I will not listen to them. Rob so it's yeah the apocalypse. Yeah, it's pretty nice. Pretty much God warning. Yeah, it's it cuz it's in the book of Jeremiah back in the Old Testament. It's about the people of Israel and he was about to bring evil upon the people of Israel upon those who weren't going to worship God, but if they did he would protect them, but if they didn't who's going to bring evil upon them and he gave that warring and he is pretty much to break it down a bit. I'm going to bring evil upon you. If you don't rush me, you're gonna have hell to pay for and I'm going to hear your pain, right but I'm not going to help you right that's basically it. Yeah, so and I do refer okay. So for the folks have been watching us for like a hundred years. Where is it is our resident. Yes. I have to like, yep. She's the I have read the Bible to actually I have had to I'm Kathy. Like but since David I have legitimately read the Bible from beginning to end since day one. Our very first podcast was Pacific Rim and that's where she brought up various symbolisms. And then from that day on it was done. So salad shows shall it be written? So shall it be said or so? Yeah Phil usually tosses the religion. I'm going to digress. Yeah, but specifically is it is the Waring is the forewarning in the movie that like there is going to be hell to pay right now 11 is coming now 11 to is also heavily featured in the movie. Yeah. So aside from the 1111 Thriller airing. This is the Thriller shirt the number of the prize 11. She'll either double show up gave settles in to watch the Giants game. That's tied 1111 the seventh inning Jason points. Out that the time is 11:11 know it's funny because that's what I always. Yeah, it's make a wish during tender bedtime scene and when the tethered version of the sign carrying homeless man shows up at the end of the movie. He simply has four ones gouged into his forehead underscoring that the verse is above everything else for ones in a row is seen in the film's more hunting parameter and there's four of them. Yeah, 11:11. Yeah 1111 So which is very interesting the fact of their 1111 different moments of the number 11 throughout the movie awards that I just brought a letter instances 11 moment. I feel like you totally would tethered the Frisbee falling on the road under way. Mr. Blues, singer murder. Yeah, everything's about quality in this movie like whole thing good versus evil. And then also like the devil versus God and that the scene that stood out to me the most out of everything was remember the scene where the little boy is going into the fire that evil little boy. What up what you've a little boy and then the other one is kind of leading him astray. I saw that as such a you know, as a very symbolic, you know, there's the Stand on the Antichrist. And the reason I say the little boy whose pure is the Christ figure was because his hands were literally out like this crucifix. He was being crucified and that's literally what happens to him is that he sacrifices himself to save his family unknowingly, but he still sacrifices himself and leads the devil Into the Fire where he burns. So I just Jordan feel so freaking genius like I can't even get over this movie. There's a lot of religious undertones that you would think. Yeah, no, absolutely. Another another Easter egg is the movie Jaws something that's near and dear to my heart that movie, you know, a lot of the beach scenes were filmed very similarly to how Spielberg filmed some of his beach scenes, especially particularly when little Alex kittner gets taken, you know, there's a scene at you know, where Adelaide gazes off watching the various happenings on the beach and she's tuning out. Relation that that's really taken from being almost shot for shot taken from Jaws and then another really one of my unsung movie or Something Wicked This Way Comes, really really a it's a Ray Bradbury story turned into a really good movie that I believe Disney may have put out believe it or not. But this has the dark the panda my ammonium Shadow show, you know. There's a mirror maze things like that, you know rabbits rabbits rabbits, and it's yeah, of course so many pieces of symbolism with the rabbits are so many ways to walls. There was a recognition Yeah. Well, yeah thinking of like a oh my gosh. I was literally thinking another movie funny, but just the whole someone is a rabbit just the see how easily they multiply right duplicate. I saw his I'm also kind of being this like Jordan Peele says it's because he's always been terrified by rabbits and you just thinks they're creepy really but the way I saw every but rabbits are so cute and they're innocent and they're pure but here they are underground kind of representing that like something so pure and so innocent could be trapped and not right see the light of day but what I also gathered from it is we see rabbits right as not Adelaide, but we think She's a delayed when read is going down the Maze and I literally saw it as going down the rabbit hole and kind of being lost in this maze where you never can get out and additionally finally the whole concept of magic and pulling a rabbit out of a hat. Sure. So there was like rabbits were the perfect Motif in this film. I think absolutely great job using them especially showing them locked in cages at the beginning. All right opening scene so brilliant and and just the whole mention that the the Clones quote-unquote had to eat. Rabbits just survive. Yeah, like that's eat something so innocent and pure only and chud Kurt cannibalistic. Yeah, but there were regular habits and the rabbits could multiply so it was it was basically self multiplying food. It was a food source that wouldn't run out unless they ate the male and female rabbit that started off. There's so many rabbits sounds so many rabbits, so, another another D that we don't care because there's so many that they not supposed to be here but I don't think the ones that are again I'm gonna read so there you go. My God. What are you thinking? What are you thinking? So another one of my favorite techniques that Jordan Peele used in this movie as as well as Mike Flanagan who just did House on Haunted Hill, but he used it in his Ouija sequel. He does a reference to a great film director Brian De Palma who in many many who is his signature move. He did is he used something called a split diopter meaning he could have somebody in the foreground and in the background and they would be totally in there would remain in Focus both of them equally as sharp and focused and it's a special lens like it's put another camera that the palm of use this in movies such as carry Dressed to Kill and most of his movies. He's Jordan Peele pulls that out. He used it in this movie showing both Lupita. Nyong'o's characters in the same shop Focus, even though ones in the foreground ones in the background. It's a great technique. I always loved it. I do always think of Brian De Palma when I see other people using it. So that was a nice little nod and then of course the Twilight Zone, you know, he's referenced that I mean Jordan, Jordan Peele loves horror we know that but he's also a great he's a great like he learned. Well, he took from classic great directors. He incorporates this into his movies, but he makes it his own and I think that's part of his strength, but he has a good grounding. Another thing that shows up in this movie part of people's background. It's comedy which I think really In many cases, I think laughter and comedy the kind of also go hand in hand in horror as well. It's a great way to break up the tension. So to speak when placed in this movie through the husband, especially I thought he was great. I thought he was great to you but playing on what you just said right now. That's exactly what Jordan Peele said was that he thought that humor and horror goes hand-in-hand in the Sun. Is that they both play on absurdity, but he said what he tried to do is how do you ground that absurdity as much as possible? So with horror, how do you grow in the absurdity and with comedy how do you make it as grounded as possible? Right and I thought I thought but what's his name? What's the main character's name the man? Oh Fred, yes, but I thought he was so funny. Like there were so many moments of levity more where he was. Like, what is this weird performance are and you're just Laughs so much in this movie. I was not expecting to laugh this much during a horror movie. I laughed a lot. Yeah. I know it had it had some good laughs and and again, I think that that comedy or laughter and we're is used. It does break up the tension even the three Cartesian when they're like, yeah. Yeah, I mean again even in your slasher movies, there's some sort of like after the teenagers Have escaped some of these are some sort of a line. It just breaks the tension before ramping things back up again to where we're going to have horror. So it grounds in audience. I think I mean because sometimes you can be an extremely intense movies that just don't let you go. And by the time you're done with the movie you're exhausted. I mean just just exhausted a movie called sorcerer I think is a really great example of tension grabbing and there's little humor and then B-but, I don't mind or in comedy. Sometimes it doesn't work. But Jordan Peele obviously has you know, he's able to walk that fine line and juggle it and then on top of that he adds his slaves of social political, you know commentary. So I think that's a strength of us. Let's talk a little bit about its reception here in the States first off. I think it's Really important to note that the budget of the movie is about 20 million dollars, which is incredible. When you think the tired then get out which was what five million yeah, it could have been but 20 million is still by today's standards. It's pretty low. So all in it would probably would have cost them with prints and advertising a hard drives and advertising. I'm gonna estimate that Universal through and around 30 extra million, maybe more maybe less but around 50 50 all in right and we've got it we're looking at thus far for domestic box of domestic box office. That's you right here in the good old us 90 million dollars within its first week not too shabby at all. It far over indexed what prognosticators had it coming in and its opening weekend, which was 71 million dollars opening. End on almost four thousand locations. So people had to coming in at 50 55. They're like fuck strongly enough, right? So and then it's opened up worldwide. So foreign territories 23 million. So thus far a hundred and thirteen million dollars plus in the box office. Not too bad. The interesting thing is at least I find is critics and audiences. And critics and audiences. So this movie has done for Rotten Tomatoes. Not too shabby. I mean 94% is pretty good. That's like right around mid 90s the cinemascore in this movie. And here's our I'm not surprised as a b. It's a B. I think the movie again we talked about this a little bit. I think perception on this movie people have either loved it or they walked out not wanting to take the time to maybe think about About it. Maybe they just didn't care. They walked up going what the f that I just watch right not completely understanding it. I mean I watch them not understanding it until I did research afterwards. My I was processing it. I was processing everything as I was going along but I also was surprised at like subverted expectations because I want end to it thinking that there would be some Grand commentary about race, but it was more about privilege and class and upward mobility and I literally thought because my best friend was like whispering things in my ear. She's like I You what's going to happen when the block family is like killing the white family. This is when the police are going to come in and it's going to be some sort of commentary on how police never come or never respond right away when it's a person of color and how they respond faster when it's like a white family and that they're gonna hear F the police playing in the background and that people are just gonna come in and and beginner. That's gonna be good. Yeah, we did it. Yeah, and then it's going to be that and I was thinking oh my God, I hope it's not that that's She is it just going to end there and then it ended up being something entirely different and that's what I love. Is that here? We have, you know, a black family playing the lead and we're not just thinking like oh this is going to be about a black family were like, oh this is about something entirely different which is the best way to do diversity is to like, you know, I'm not the best way just about race about something else and for me the best way to do something about diversity is when you just don't care what the family yeah. That's what I'm saying. Begin to forget. Yeah. Yeah, you know and in our cast of characters were fantastic. Another thing and I brought this up earlier and meet the movie, press where I think and again, I think it's a true positive of the movie is there really aren't any Blockbuster stars in the movie like Lupita. Nyong'o is probably the biggest name in this movie right person her cast of characters around her. Some of them are known but they're not necessarily people. Oil that you would think is bringing huge huge box office. So to me what Jordan Peele has died and said what it's a great example of we have good stuff. I've delivered a story people are coming to this movie because of marketing story. They're not being dragged in because of necessarily Starpower right and get out did so well that people want to see a follow-up right? So When does the The Legend of Jordan Peele, you know the power of Jordan Peele bringing in diverse audiences all over? I think it's really interesting. I found it also interesting that. It is the second highest opening weekend grossing live-action original movie in nine years since Avatar. It's taken nine years. Well, yeah, it's taken nine years nine years for a movie to crack like 40 million dollars. I think I think Avatar opened it 47 million dollars and then became the highest-grossing movie of all time period it took nine years. Are to be like I don't I never even thought of it that way and they've been original movies that come out. So I just found that to be an interesting stat. So we have that. I don't know what happened field will get another nomination for original screenplay for horror though. I don't know he won't forget out. Yeah. I mean, I don't know again. I don't think this is as strong a movie as get out. What is Again, I like this movie. It's it's flawed and I don't know that will be really interesting for sure. I would not be upset if Lupita Nyong'o gets nominated for actress. I thought yeah to wise. She's great phenomenal. It's follows is so hard especially in the entire family. Even the kids are afraid of the kids not gonna lie, especially the little boy The animals the girl the way she will tell ya girl is so thank you. Yeah. Yeah, like honestly, I was more terrified of the kids and what they could do. Yeah. I listen. I really love the entire cast but Lupita really stuck out. This woman is a chameleon like she can do anything about what she did in this movie alone and what she did for her voices being read. I mean tart I mean, this is creep Factor. Actor like warp 10 it was crazy and she was she was good. I wouldn't be surprised if she were you know, I'd be more surprised if she was forgotten because I think it's that strong of a performance from her and I really think it carries the movie and she said I guess when she auditioned with Jordan Peele, she told him that she watched get out six times and he knew like oh, I really want her like a model if you don't y'all go. Yeah, so I love like you know I got Yes, there's been he said something controversial or he said it's not that I don't like white people. It's just I've seen that story. I'm not going to have like a white lead when everybody seen that story but I love what he's doing for diversity and just telling like these stories that it's almost like nightmarish scenes, but with social commentary and who else knows how to do something like that that wow I've right now. Yeah, I can't really think of anyone in that same vein and such a specific genre The thing his movie does is that they're Universal themes and his movie that are still relevant granted this movie takes place quote-unquote in 1986, and it comes back to the modern day. But the the problems and the social aspects are still relevant absolutely over the course of 30 years and they're still applicable today. It's and I think that's what he does. Well that he takes the universal themes that are still relevant. Right and I was much simpler, but I mentioned I've mentioned this before to that. About horror movies in general horror movies and science fiction in particular though, but horror movies can be a reflection of society. There are an outcropping of something and I've talked about this ad nauseam. If you've heard me talk about the original Halloween as to what that is an outcropping of, you know, coming out of out of War coming out of all this conflict and not seeing evil for what it is or not. In looking for it horror can do that whore throughout the ages has what Jordan Peele is done is he's made it. He's made it more overt. He's not he's not like hiding he's not no, he's putting it out there. He's making statements. I do think like--look whether or not I think this is I don't think this is a better movie than get out. However, I don't think it's any less of a movie. It's a really good movie and now I'll always be interested in what Jordan Peele Has to say artistically from from a movie standpoint. I'd like to know like if he continues to make horror, that's fine. But I'd like to see him try to do other things as well. It'll be interesting. You know, I'm doing a drama or even a thriller or mystery, you know, I mean because people have already started comparing Jordan Peele to the likes of Alfred Hitchcock. I can do that right and I can see that too and Hitchcock. Talked himself directed suspense movies horror type movies Valley rollers, you know, I could see Jordan Peele becoming it's too early to throw that preys on him yet, but I could see him becoming that type of a director. So I always look forward to what he has to say. So well, I don't know. I hope I hope the folks were or happy with I mean, it's such a it's a movie that us there's so much to be talked about And I don't think anybody is either really right and necessarily really wrong. It means so much to me open to interpretation there is and so wash ability factor to yeah, there was a real watchability p as it is you can re-watch it and people have that's been part of marketing and that's been part of what people have been saying that you can go back and watch us and like I said earlier The Sixth Sense you figure out these Clues as to the switcher Roo, let's call. All it and You Begin Things become more apparent. So there is a reward to Ability factor, which makes it a really good movie screenplay wise. I don't know. What are your thoughts screenplay wise? What do you think? I mean, I don't think so because get out was just so original and no one has seen that at all ever. So and I think the end that any really hit home because to it like that movie came out at like just the right political state right fine. It we're people would accept that type of film and like really do something about it. This film is just more the the classic doppelganger, which isn't as original because we've seen doppelgangers and surely television and other movies that we've seen that the whole theme of evil twins that itself is but original this is how I don't know. I don't think so. Not for this one. Yeah yourself. I mean I thought it was pretty original. I don't think it was as original as get out because the Concept of putting someone else's Consciousness and a black person's body. Like I've never really seen that before and not in that are not in a non-comedy context so but I think what Jordan Peele did really well in this movie additionally, I just want to add on a final note is that whole concept of finding yourself? You look into that magic fun house and the outside of it on the the storefront or the front of the house. It says find yourself. I think it's so interesting that in order to find I love you have to lose yourself in the rabbit hole and like this this place of mirrors where you're finding yourself and seeing a reflection of you, but maybe it's the less glamorous reflection of you. Then what appeared to be it's we keep down. It's the it's the very inner part of ourselves the part that doesn't really surface and you know, that's the part beneath us that is finally coming to the surface my other half here coming to the surface and saying all the things or He said I hate you. She's here. She's dormant. It's like a volcano. She's ready to erupt at any time. I love that find yourself by losing yourself and you might find your evil twin. Yeah, it's just living among us right now. And that person doesn't want to find me. So Marissa where can people find you everyone can follow me at Serafini TV. Are you topside down to where where where do I look for you all and I will present how about that? Where do people who are working people find you and it's a great God reference. Yeah, the double here we go everyone. I mean I you can find me on Instagram at Mina makes magic and not just the magic you see in this movie and you can find me on the Twitter's at D movies 1 7 0 1 also here in the popcorn talk networks anatomy of a movie as well as popcorn talk networks meet the movie press which is a witch. Is all about the hard news of the entertainment business. So tune into that on every Friday it but it's up there in as you like to say perpetuity give me perpetuity. So we always thank you for tuning in. There's going to be plenty more movies ahead. I know for one. I think we're going to be off for a few weeks. I know for one. I'm not going to be here. I'm going to be conning it so folks. I will keep your con. I'll be at WonderCon tomorrow. I'll be at cinemacon all week and Next week. 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Welcome to not another Runner podcast a running and health-related podcast created by a run-of-the-mill pun intended every day Runner join me for all things running and health-related for the highs and lows of training and chasing girls designed to keep you motivated and enthusiastic on your journey to health and happiness.Hi guys, welcome to another episode of non other Runner podcast. This chat was truly special. I am so honored and grateful that today's guest agree to join me for an episode. Today's guest is Gil runs corporate. She is an avid runner from Atlanta. She's a wife and mother to ten month old Taylor. She has run for marathons and working towards her fifth this year, which will beChicago Children's corporate is super busy between her corporate job being mother and wife and getting in him out and training. So again, yeah, I was really grateful for here time. I took away so much from this podcast. I couldn't agree more with everything that GRC said we are just on the same page and it was just a little bit spooky. Like have you ever had that feeling when you meet someone where you connect so strongly on level that you feel like you've Already met or you already know each other or like you're talking to yourself. It was a little bit about that children's corporate is such an inspiring person who is honest and full of wisdom. She is motivated and extremely conscious of what is important to her and her family focusing on Ames allow fulfillment both here and your family so that she can be present stay tuned to hear why her reason as to why she runs has evolved over the years and why I absolutely Loved this chat. What a graceful knowledgeable lady. Honestly, she is full of incredible wisdom. I really really hope you enjoy this interview as much as I enjoyed getting to chat with get runs corporate. Let me know what you think guys. Enjoy. Have you guys already heard of the easy Thrills podcast? So this idea this Venture of podcasting? I am starting at much earlier than I thought we would and I have Tom Bell to thank for that from the easy Thrills, Tom got in touch with me a little while back to be interviewed for his podcast. Now if you haven't already you really need to check out easy Thrills, I'll include links to his podcast in the footnotes as well as the interview that we did not long ago Tom is a brilliant host. He has a great approach to life that I love he has positive and It's an attitude of gratitude as he calls it which I love to live by myself. Now Tom is working so hard with his podcast and it really shows he is updating and putting up so many great interviews with so many brilliant Ghasts his show is all about Adventure motivation and transformation with an element of endurance. Here's a family man leader and has a love for Endurance Sports. I was absolutely honored to be asked to join Tom's podcast, especially alongside so many brilliant. Ian guests many of which I've honestly been following for years and I've been greatly influenced by some of which are the reason I started my own run an account on Instagram and it just blows my mind that I was asked to be interviewed and featured amongst so many fascinating and inspiring people. I seriously took so much away from that interview and I could never thank Tom enough. He has inspired and motivated me to no end. So again Tom a huge. Thank you and guys. Please check out easy Thrills podcast. Thank you guys so much for joining today and listening to not another Runner podcast. Please tell your friends and family who you think would enjoy the content. I'll be sharing. Don't forget you can get in touch with me over on Instagram by a not another Runner. Let me know your thoughts on the Pod casting suggestions on guests or topics. This is greatly appreciated. Send me your questions through as well if you want and use the hashtag white I run to be featured and hey, if you can't hit subscribe to the podcast, this will really help me to be able to give you more. Thank you again. Again, and remember when you get up and exercise or go for a run, you've never regret going, but you always regret not go in. Have a great week guys and speak soon.

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Hi, I'm Tony riddle. And this is the natural life stylist podcast. So way back in December. I had this crazy idea to run from Land's End to John o'groats in just 30 days, but I wasn't just going to run it. I was going to run it Barefoot to raise funds for environmental Charities and collaborate with world-leading experts to raise awareness and money for six organizations fighting the top sustainability issues of our time. I knew running Barefoot would raise many are socially extreme eyebrow and with that eyebrow-raising behavior, I would be able to provide a perfect platform to highlight the importance of connecting with our environment and those key sustainability issues of time gives me great pleasure to introduce you to Richie Norton aka the strength Temple. I first met Richie at a dinner that we move magazine to put together and we instantly hit it off to be fair. There's not a lot. Not like about Richie. So hitting it off is a no-brainer. Rich is an ex rugby player turned Yogi Surfer. Adrenaline. Junkie, it spent the last 10 years working alongside Sports professionals and some of the most respected pioneers of human performance. And what has grown out of this is Ritchie's own unique blend of meditation breathwork and yoga. I'm so aligned with what rich is putting out into the world. So it gives me great pleasure to be able to share this relaxed chat with you Richie shares an insight into his own journey of self-discovery and provides some simple yet potent tools to unlock and develop physical and mental well-being. I hope you enjoy the chat. So I'm here with Richard Norton Richie aka the strength Temple and I'm so pleased is happening. It's come on one of those days when it's 40 more important than ever to have Richie here. Which is great at taking people through the process. I've had just one of those couples it's not one day. It's a couple of days where things just haven't quite panned out how I thought they were I personally know I can go into the cave into the pain cave. I know I have tools that help me get out the pain cave, which I know Richie has some great tools. So this is taken off the path of what we normally perceive sustainability for me. I wanted to talk to Richie about being a sustainable human in what can be like what I've experienced stressful situations and things that kind of take us off the path and that we can have tools that help us process the path and get back on it so we can continue which for me is the path is just being present. So how do we get back to the present moment? So that's kind of why I wanted you on the show man. I'm calling a show now. Can you believe it? This is the this is the Tony Little Show. Tony riddle show. We're back on the show. I think you should have a show. Let's do a show man enough people to have good chats. We do have loads of good chats and create a show. So rich, he's here. Hello Richie. I make allies are having me along. It's cool. I'm glad we can make it happen still. Yeah, we had to run booked in didn't we did have a rich he was gone for months, which is all fired up for a run and then he put it out. There is I don't want to run I don't want to run Antonis ankle get blown out. No doing wish came true. No, it's not. So for those that don't know. My foot swelled up my left foot swelled up. It made me throw those on my right foot of warn the pads out underneath my foot. It's to excruciating I've taken a couple of days out. So we're resting so it's still a 30-30 challenge. I'm just gonna have to do more mileage at the end Richie gladly came on. So he's here for an interview cool. That's still sneaking around. Maybe we met if I end up north where you let me know be great. Maybe that will still happen. Yeah the healing process putting out there. So Richie running me X rugby. Yogi xpt mindfulness breathwork. I mean what else? What else is there to Richie? How did you how did you find all this region has many layers? Well, I'm a big part of it has been coming across you actually thanks to their we move guys putting those in alignment through the we move podcast because we met at the dinner, didn't we remember we move dinner? Yeah, and since then it's kind of like it's been a real like connection with you. You've been a big part for me to actually sort of step out of my comfort zone and to align with I think where your journey also taken you especially talking about that the medicines and you know, the Transformations and the lessons and the journey and what it's given you and what it keeps giving you and I know I've confided in you were a lot of that that's helped me structure my next steps, but without going deep into that the background for me is coming from rugby and you know starting rugby at a very young age thinking that was going to be my future my my career and the wear and tear that put on my body physically mentally emotionally in the pressure and when that got taken away because of injury and feeling powerless and not being able to You know carry on what I thought was going to be my you know, the biggest Journey my biggest achievement, you know, and you know relating to where we are now. It's a real blow and you like you really when you have derailed that way because it's rugby become like the personality view as well as life. I was struggling with a lot rugby was my outlet training physical social drives. Oh sure everything. I was going down wrong paths. And I realized I had more to give a more to offer but I really don't know how to communicate it and didn't know how to Channel all the energy and all the frustration and anger and all this, you know confusion and the short version is I found my way into breathwork yoga meditation years later after really losing my way and it seems that such polarity to rugby doesn't it? I don't know why the rugby and and mindfulness and breath work in yoga seems like such poles apart and I if you just said to me when I was playing Rugby one day. You're going to be a yoga teacher and you're going to teach kids and adults how to breathe and how to be more mindful about how they exist and live a more sustainable existence. I would have laughed or just thought you were Bonkers. So what so how did that ignite the house that moment between right the breakdown of rugby? How did you Scout? How did you discover the breath worked? And I mean, how did you so it's really because It was meant I went to Sydney. I moved to Australia when I was 30 years old because it was my last window to get that Australian working Visa for this is my way out of it is my way out of of the UK. I needed a change. I feel like I was just destroying myself grinding in London. Yeah, and I went to Australia I thought well, I'm in Australia. I'm going to learn how to surf because that looks like fun and I don't come to Australia not try and give it a go and I committed to a routine of like I've never had a routine and not had a routine in a while since I stopped playing rugby. My body felt pretty broken and wasn't really functioning very well. Stop train the gym put on a bit of weight loss of purpose lost purpose lost Direction and going back into nature getting in the ocean getting smashed a lot almost drowning a few times, but the you know what I learned from that was resilience and persistence and got fit and healthy and then off the back of that I met a girl you do. Yeah single guy in Sydney came across a beach, babe. And she was a yoga teacher and put a different spin on yoga. She's like, you know, he's just going have a little Vibe with my in my class. It's very playful. We just move and we breathe and I was like, okay, that's a different delivery. I'm going to go and give it a go and all of a sudden what I thought was loads of shapes and meditations and chatting teracle cry and you know Lycra and lots of women in a yoga class where I already felt intimidated, she gave it a different language and and I connected with an a very different level breathing became part of how I moved the tempo of how I went through class that was under it was up my pace and yeah the next chapter again while I was in Sydney. I had to go to a Brazilian college that it was like there's a loophole but it was more a really interesting subject capoeira. Yeah, where you learn you get a diploma in capoeira and Brazilian martial But you guys really playful again, right lay for him really spoke to me and also you came away with a coaching course on how to teach kids and the elderly and how to communicate with other people to give them really isn't easy instruction to be able to get them to do some physical exercise, but was tied in with that with it was his capoeira practical exam that you have to do over this year period while you're in on this course, so I started doing Capoeira and I started going to yoga. Then these Brazilians that I was studying with also went surfing at the weekend and barbecues and the beach and they have brought in community and it was all about community and just thought wow. I feel amazing. I'm not surprised. Look how many physical boxes you've took their eye off social physical boxes, right? Yeah, that's incredible. And then all my injuries went away. This was the big thing all the aches and pains and the niggles that I'd been played with. It stopped my my Rugby career going any further all of a sudden they work there anymore. I can move better. I could move quicker. I started playing rugby again. And I wonder how many of those are there the emotional attachment to them as well. Dig dig. I found a whole new like Vibe of Life surfing got better. I was moving more like fluidly. I was moving in different directions and different planes of motion and like speaking with more confidently more empowered because I felt like I got my power back because I'd reconnected with the things that I was completely disconnected with. And yeah life began again and I realize I'm going to I'm going to try and find a way of communicating this to other people that are in my position rugby players athletes. I think most human beings today man. I mean, it can be people just it's understanding that it's to find a purpose to again isn't it to find a purpose or some some some out there might not even realize there is a purpose, you know. Yeah so often it takes a breaking down. Realize there is a purpose. Yeah gentlemen to reconnect with their reignite something definitely and then also you then have the tools as you've gathered to help the others big time. I think some of my biggest Inspirations in the some of the most amazing stories that I've heard of come from people that have overcome struggle that I've hit a dark moment of life or overcome adversity and become more resilient and more empowered and more aware and how that is. is a gift when you look at it that way to be able to inspire other people and I went there and I feel I feel like I've been able to align and attract and see and connect those people now because I've seen painting other people and suffering of the people and wanting to empowers people to see that as a superpower because you have that insight into know how to build strength and resilience to overcome physical changes challenges emotionally spiritually and that can come through Your diet changing your lifestyle changing environment changing your friends circle or even just removing the fear of adversity. Yeah gentleman changing the relationship with it completely, isn't it? Yeah. This is going to come at some stage to all human beings. Yeah. Yeah, you know and we live in such fear of it and where sometimes leaning in lean in yeah exactly is where you can really face. What's what's actually there in front of you talking to you communicating to you that your over suppressing or hiding from Um, yeah, whereas that's that's there for you to learn and to be able to move into that next challenge the honesty in the humbling experience on diversity teaching is the most right-leaning and and you know, that's where your growth will come. So yeah, I made myself made my way back to London as a personal trainer and was very lucky to not have to go and work in big mainstream Jim's I just realized I had this Mission ahead of this knowledge. I this insight and I thought so aligned the UK was Really where I was, you know, the gift of Australia was there were so far ahead for me in my eyes with food nutrition exercise outdoor lifestyle and how power that power for that was and I came back to the to London and was felt like I was surrounded by zombies and robots going through this repetitive cycle and you know going to Jim's lifting weights for aesthetic sand just smashing wait to have no real idea. Why in a lit just all linear including you. Not the general public but professional athletes and the conversations I've had with people it was so like strange for me to have these very open chats about intricacy of how do you mobilize your body and re wild yourself to be more in tune with how your body's working for you? So it will work better for you because of how you breathe and the way you move and align simple movement patterns and they were like, what are you on about? Yeah, mate, you're a professional athlete the more in tune you Weave yourself more mindful you are about your movement and what you eat and how you behave and how you speak will directly affect the way you feel and the way you perform how successful you become as a human being. Yeah, just an athlete. Yeah. So when I realized it was it was you know, so new to a lot of people I realized this was where I was going to be able to add value and that was a few years ago. Now, I've been on a bit of a wild journey through there and it did my yoga teacher training in Bali with one of my most amazing friends. He Finn to was over recently he was over recently in London and there is you just had a birthday. Yeah. Yeah birthday and it was a real special day to connect with him again and he's just an incredible human with the ability to look at the individual and go I'm going to use this language because I see that's where you're going to make a connection with this and for me that I've been bodied that that's quite scary. Chioggia coaches personality is he's like, well, you might not want to be a yoga teacher. You might not want to be a spiritual Guru. You might not want to be a teacher or a coach, but we all have this gift to be able to help each other and to inspire others based on our ability to be connected with ourselves and to have this extra strength and resilience to maybe help other people through challenges. And when I want to try and educate people on mobilization and moving a bit better and be more connected with yourself and your family and the environment You've got to go a bit more Inward and my journey has been very similar, but for me to go and teach a yoga class and use Sanskrit names and traditional Yogi words. I didn't connect a yoga that way my connection to it was I'm going to move my body and breathe and have my own practice based on what my body wants to do in that moment on that day. And that's what saved you as well and that's what saved me because I was able to slow paste the paste of life down and I was able to see nature differently. I was able to like Feel aches and pains that were bothering me that I wasn't addressing. I was ignoring it suffering a little bit better with it rather than actually going are my back is really feeling tight here that's giving me anxiety is giving me stress. I'm not moving properly. It's frustrating me. I'm not sleeping very well, but I'm ignoring it. Where as well. You're not in you're never just ignoring it. That's the point because we start using pacifiers deal with the yeah ignorance of the symptom. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so I thought well this is Going to do I'm going to search out people that I relate to and I realize actually have a similar story and I bet I can learn something from their Journey. Yeah, but along the way I'm just going out and connecting with these people just having conversations enlightening people sharing topics. Like we are now to bring awareness to whoever is watching this to maybe go actually I need to maybe give that some attention and just giving them that little nudge maybe giving them a little bit of insight education to get them up and moving and thinking about the things that really matter because I think there's a lack of perspective on what's really important. Well, it's powerful isn't it? Because I got I got I was stopped on the Run by a guy called Stuart botting. It's dude rocks. Arpan his VW rep bright red VW transporting a campervan thai-style thing. He's just standing in this country Lane his arms out and I'm running towards Boy, I don't know. Who is this. He's our guy. I'm sure hi Tony and then as I get closer since I realize you don't know me, but I feel like I know you and we chat and we start talking about how he was in a dark space right and through following me through following you and then you go into Rich role and he said on then I found you on Rich Roll, which is amazing. I put two and two together and here I am on the path. But I was in this dark space and by doing morning rituals by doing breath work by doing mobility by doing ice baths by turning to a plant-based diet. and now I'm into bear for my son and I walk around Barefoot and my daughter calls us the Barefoot Warriors, right and he just had this glint in his eyes and you could see He's transformed. Right and he's transformed through social media because that's the tribe. Right? That's where we're pushing content out into so it's not just meeting the individual or putting the class on there's that tool as well now isn't there yet to open up the space. Yeah, which is like doing massive festivals. Like you have a huge following right? Imagine that it's like doing a talk to 58,000 people if they're all listening. Yeah. Sure. I mean, yeah and he had you know, it's glint was I said you got an amazing clean your iron man was Going on he said well, I just get up and I know I'm doing now I start with a routine. I have a routine as I you found purpose that he's like, yeah, I found I think I found my purpose yet. And he said for a man a family man with kids to find purpose again is been one of the most powerful gifts. He could find you know, how old was he I'd say it's probably 50 You know young? Yeah so much potential so much opportunity potentiality. There is like whatever he wants it to be. That's why I love about it. When you tell me those conversations, I think right. Well, how can I share it with my dad because I know he would love, you know the opportunity to maybe do something different. He's outgoing. He's looking for the next thing, you know, he's got time on his hands and how do you inspire people that are maybe looking for something but don't quite know where to start and just give them that little nudge and you know it Go in well, I think you keep doing what you're doing. Richie's. Yeah, I mean, that's what it seems like. Yeah, and especially for parents writing is like they don't want to be told by their own kids how to behave now, but they're observe their behavior because they're their kids. Yeah. So rather than being told it's just be the once you be then people see and then the sea turns into we something else. I like that. I love that as good. That was good that you had that recording. I'm glad you brought up the whole Rich Roll thing as well. He he was when the first podcast I ever came across when I got into the whole podcast space big really like his Vibe. Yeah, really get really. Hope I get to meet him one day and amazing guy. He's an incredible guy was listen to him on the way down here actually and One guy sent me a video message yesterday the power of social media and I do I've I've got a great relationship with social media. Now at one point I lost my way with it and my relationship wasn't very positive. It was a bit like me and this guy reached out to me very in a very vulnerable way ex-military and he had something happened to him and he and he the right time at the right moment because I'd put content out of time when he was listening to Rich roll your Just checked out you followed. You found me and one word that came out of my post one day the day after because he just found me resonated with him you go and that gave me the confidence to go. I've never shared this with anybody and he shared and I sent my voice note back straightaway. He lives in the US and and he just needed to like have a soundboard to be able to express something that had been pushed down suppressed. Because he felt completely stuck and for me having these conversations why I love it so much and I get quite emotional in the whole thing is that's how powerful this can be if you're there to do good. And if you're there to create a message there to inspire the people whatever your tool is don't be afraid to share. You never know who will be listening. He'll be watching the I guess that it's the learning or finding the tribe around you that enables you to understand that this is all about being again, and if you're just being Then in theory everyone around you can grow from that because that's the authenticity again, isn't it? What we were talking about earlier and being authentic finding the or finding the authentic Richie within the story, right? Yeah. So I'm I'm Tony now, right and I've I'm s I'm I'm smashing Out hours in the office. Get back whacking and microwave meal. Stay up watch a bit of news on my Joe in Chandler chair have all the lights on around me eventually creeping to bed. Probably about just past midnight. Wake up to the Beeb Beeb in the morning hit snooze being be bib snooze get up can smash some coffee because that's the only thing that could ignite a bowel movement and then probably skip breakfast because I've run out of time. I'm get shower cover myself in chemicals aftershave smash the door shut Leggett as fast as I can to the tube because I'm in hypertension already and get involved with the whole commute. That's probably gone through the same process. Can't bear to look at someone on the tube because I'm feeling ashamed of myself in reality and arrived at the office to sit down. What would you advise me? I'm already anxious reliving that whole experience. Yeah, man, because I would have been there. Yeah, we've all been a so on. I know it, you know I left London because I acted on my gut instinct that that was not a healthy place to remain and wasn't sustainable. So I wanted to practice what I preach and I wanted to like make the move and it was a big move that happened over two weeks because I know how easy it is to get caught up in that routine and the habit and not know how to get off that ride. Oh, yeah. I'm just going to throw in here. We're not only way anyone's listening not judging you for that behavior. Just know. Highlighting that that's what's been normalized. Yeah, and we just want to give you some tools to help. You just see maybe a different way. Yeah, I'd be a hypocrite if I said that I've got it all figured out. I have a routine that is nailed and it's always perfect. No, no, no. Well when you do think you've got it figured out then the process shows you when actually actually you're still in the process. But yeah. So because I've been there I can authentically say I know where you are at if you are living that life and it can feel a bit. You can feel lost you can feel a bit helpless you feel stuck demotivated like upset frustrated angry all these things or maybe just completely unaware that you're in that space and maybe just need a little reminder to just check yourself and take a little step back and just reassess if that is your life. Are you happy? I'm one of the little changes you can make to maybe get on a on a new ride to start to make changes that are more positive that are maybe one step closer to where you really want to be because you know, that's not sustainable and it's affecting your health physically mentally emotionally spiritually. However, you want to look at it. But also you is affecting the health of others because that's the person that's what you're also the addition to the normalized behavior, right? Definitely your family whether it's your wife your partner your kids your family. Friends your work colleagues. If you are not living a life of fulfillment and purpose and you're waking up happy you have time and you feel healthy and you're eating well and you're getting time to do the things that you love. It's likely your resenting something and you're wishing something was different and that affects your mood your personality your energy your energy then effects that person that you are around the most and the people that your environment. So you're in the office and your recipe people around you like, you know, it just try it passes. Everybody that you're around. So having rituals that I've you know, embraced living the life that I Live Now, which is really the key to for me to keep on that journey and to be able to then share the ups and downs that that brings when you step out of that there was habits that do keep you on track so The takeaway here, I guess maybe inspire people to start those changes is okay. We'll just maybe audit your life a little bit and see where you can make little changes that are sustainable that are realistic that will have an impact straight away. So I do these morning routines. You just described a morning routine that is definite going to set you off on the right frequency. So one thing before you wake up its sleep, you know, we in Matthew Walker created a huge wave of Interest after all the signs that he What's the table which I endorsed massively because it transformed Who I Am by prioritizing getting a good night's sleep before you go to bed how much technology your phone and your iPad in front of your face taking it all this stimulation before you get information bed and then expect to have a good sleep. It's not going to happen or that don't be on the device. Even the news at 10:00. Yeah, you know crazy. Yeah, the crazy stuff that's going on in the world is that we discussed around a campfire feed your brain. We've all that fear and destruction and pain and suffering and worry and then let it completely immerse your subconscious to and you go into your dream state. Yeah, we've all this other clutter. Yeah. So sleep is definitely something to audit and there's so much great information out there to how to improve that you know, when you eat switching off, you know, a little bedtime ritual eating the right things having like these amazing supplements we have now that help shut down and I'm experimenting with CBD right now, which has been a game-changer and I've been using that Delve into that a little bit big shift. Is it for down really energetic big some fascinating about that space and then morning routines is getting up and not looking at your phone again. So ideally start your day as you didn't end your day waking up and without this hyperstimulation of your digital screen just filling your brain when you're super sensitive and ready to absorb things. Don't make it something that isn't going to stimulate you. Wake up brush your teeth scrape your tongue. Hydrate, your body's so dehydrated when you wake up feed your muscles feed your tissues feed your brain move breathe. Get out in nature. Watch the sunrise get up a little bit early and move your body read something positive listen to a podcast where your ears are going to hear something motivating stimulating and and and just so yeah, so that CBD oil aside folks. That's all free. That's all free so free so free doesn't cost you anything. Yes EBD. Yes, I went off and try to get something. I'm into it's quite now I am as well but means we put the CBD to one side to sleep under free moving away from your device for free mobilizing the Bodies free and time and time. It doesn't take a lot of time people think I've got to go to the gym for an hour. I've got to do a workout. I've got a PT get me up and get me motivated shout at me to do stuff. How about doing it? Because you know, that's the most important thing for you to have. Have a healthy existence. If you want to kick take care of your physical body your mental health. What good is it working your yourself into the ground? If you're not able to enjoy that lifestyle you're trying to create when you're not living it now. Yeah, and that shift of perspective is that actually I do have five minutes. I do have 10 minutes 5 minutes as you've opted to see my Ig TV is like five minutes becomes 10 minutes very quick because you're so into the practice of that mindful attention to what your body needs in that moment. And even if you're brand new, To this and you have your Fitness is shocking. You haven't done anything in this ever before you really struggling to get back into the flow of things start with five minutes roll out your mat lie on the floor breathe a little bit find all these Mason tutorials of how to get the basics right go for a walk in nature. And if you've got kids and very aware of families families can be a really good excuse and a distraction and something that needs attention. So if your kids are up to Super early and you're like God. I wish I'd had an extra bit of time in bed. There's no reason why they can't start to practice some of these rituals as well, you know, go to bed a little bit earlier with them, you know, get away all that we go to sleep together. Yes, I still live the similar, you know flow of life because you're one organism. Yeah, and then get them to play with you in the morning. Yeah, they love to play. Why don't you play connect with your kids in the morning get them into the routine early get them drinking water with you in the morning get them out for a walk in nature. Outside around the block into the Park. Yeah, I just feel there's a lot of excuses made up there when it could be made a lot more simple and a lot more empowering and those rituals those habits lift your energy lift your mood get those endorphins lifted up so you can then have some top top to share with those people you're going to come into contact with that maybe didn't have that same start to the day. Yeah, and then you'll showing the appropriate behavior for the observation and inspiring inspiring and also when you build that new habit then it you have more power to To remove the excuse. Yeah as to why not? Yeah, and I think I love the idea of I always say when I do talks. I was just with fearne cotton at the happy place Festival in Tatton Park and it really boosted my confidence in what the human race is capable of when Good Vibes are there and were there looking out for each other people hugging people, you know, just communicating talking with that their phones out trying to capture every moment. Present and I we share in the workshops to get people to hug as you know, and and have this awkward connection of introducing themselves to each other like oh hi another human eye so nice to actually check to you. Yeah. My name is Steve. No - Tony and I always say well you all have this superpower now because you all feel great after you just had this hug and you just move your body a little bit and you've got this as a healing this hi-yah now you have the ability. T to go and share that with someone else and bring some light and some good energy into someone else's day. How nice is that feel? Yeah feels pretty good. Actually. We all have this ability. We just forget and that can lift your Vibe and someone else's again we're talking about the most simplest things is just fundamental human needs again rights as human connection contact in their sleep movement Play Breath water rights. Um, yeah, it's all in there and that's just a basic. Sick fundamental needs just a few shifts that need to be made. Yeah, I think if you all those things like well, that's so many things. Well, why not just start with one? Why not? You know, we have all these amazing tools don't we and it can seem quite overwhelming intimidating to try and Tackle all these things that you think aren't quite right or aren't available to you right now. Okay. Well, what are the things that the closest to you? And what the most realistic Drinker, you know? Big glass of water in your wake up make that be your ritual this week and the next week. Why don't you add a little bit of movement of walk around the block after you've had that glass of water? Yeah. I'm with you, you know, and I think that sometimes we need to just go back to basics and simplify things and strip it right at that getting back to the basics of stuff. And I think if we can leave a really positive message from these chats, it's like, okay. Well, let's Empower you and give you that little bit of a nudge to go. Just choose one thing this week. Yeah and going Own it become become the master of that. And then once you like to know what that makes me feel so much better. That's that's going to that's a keeper. I'm going to share that with my friends and see if I can Inspire them to Traverse. They've seen how much better. I feel how much more motivated and more how much more active proactive more stimulated more happier. I feel and then it can we Inspire each other. I'm doing the basics consistently becoming basic back to Basics become more human. I need that. I'm not perfect far from it far from it. But I need to go back to basic sometimes because I take on too much. Well, I think the I think the more work you do the more you understand or can align with there is no perfect. That's the point. No, that's all control isn't it? And once you let that go and then you realize that okay. I just need to strive for the be the best example of self rather than what I perceive Perfection to being. Yeah, and that's sometimes can be the negative side of what we're talking about social media or yeah, you can look at and that's not sustainable now, so someone gave me a great tool and it was to delete the accounts that were creating anxiety. Yeah, that's it. You don't have to be on Instagram. No, just look at the things that you feel are empowering you. And that you can gain simple tools again to make small changes. That might be sleep this week. Okay. Let me let me go and geek out sleep. This way has become a sleep. There's become Matthew Walker this way. You can kind of sleep expert. Yeah. Boom. Okay anyone that's not highlighting the bear appropriate patterns of sleep this week. Let's get rid of those accounts and get them out. Yeah. Well, I went to that I went for that phase and I don't want to dwell on this too much because we can go deep into this awesome man. Well, yeah, we could talk for hours. I know we could. But this is something I can relate to because I've had this feeling of like our what if someone gets upset because I have stopped following them because I just decide to unfollow them because at that moment in time I decided that I wasn't in a place where I wanted to see that I didn't hear that. I didn't want to watch that because at that point in my life, it wasn't making me feel good about myself. So I decided I'm going to put my attention on to something else that does nurture a good Healing brings happiness to makes me smile. Yeah, maybe a follow a few animal accounts about zoo animals being cared for and rescue dogs and stuff like ice. I love that makes me feel good enough to do with my business, but I love animals and they make me feel good and love animals being rescued and love animals being cared for others followed a pet channels for a while and it brought me back into a nice place of our there are good humans out there doing nice things and myself, you know, I will also then do a little the detox on certain things because I realize I'm not in that space anymore. That was just a distraction. That channel that person I was followed was where I used to be. I'm not there anymore. I've evolved from that. Yeah. Thank you for what you did give me but now I'm not in that place. I'm now going on this path and that makes me feel even better because I've evolved I've grown and I think you know, we all have that ability to choose don't we we don't have to suffer. We just choose to suffer sometimes on you know, and chronically go into that point of I want to suffer and I can't stop watching them for whatever reason was that's your choice. Yeah, don't become a victim within that system. But also I think the big one for me is always been it's it's none of my business what other people think of me. Yeah. So, you know if I want to remove an account and I remove an account. Otherwise, I'm on it to please them and I'm prioritizing them over me. We care a lot about what other people think exactly and you're the most selfish person. You are the most important person and if you start to follow accounts and search into social media look the distraction Okay, we'll just be a bit more conscious and aware of what those distractions are doing to you. And now you're living in someone else's bubble. That is probably an illusion and how is that making you feel in that moment? You have a choice to carry on or to divert your attention to something that really speaks to you that will lift your vibe that will bring value into your life. And there's so many great people doing that now and it's awesome to see it's not just about you know, getting you know flaunting yourself. and promoting your next thing there's a lot of great people speaking truth and inspiring and going down to the root of you know, where we can make change and I'm really proud to know that I'm making that shift and really be more thoughtful of where I'm taking my attention and I see a lot of that happen now, so I'm excited about where the industry is going and how people are taking that responsibility to heart and see now serious actually is to influence someone Is a real powerful tool and you've got to think about what you're influencing them with a know exactly. That's that's a real powerful gift. Yeah, if you think of it that way, you know, if we're looking to the external World outside then we need to probably think our what's going on inside that I keep to needing to reach out for and so as an influencer, it's important then to realize that people are looking to the external world and that the messages we need to give our going to be about getting Them to understand what's going on inside and we have to check ourselves. Don't we we sometimes go off lose our way a little bit because we got we got stimulated by it's something and we thought well, maybe we should put some attention or triggered by something triggered and then we respond re react. Yeah, and then you look back at your I don't remember that. I don't know why I put that out there. I don't know why I like Express that emotion for that but it triggered you for whatever reason. Yeah. I think we were talking about earlier and I think it's a very interesting space that it feels like Like this is an ego. By the way, this is just feels like the more work you do. When you do go or something does trigger you or adversity. I was talking about diversity earlier, right Suddenly It's like wow. Okay, my world is ending right now. I've set up this 30 day challenge and right now I can't run anymore. The world's going to end sobbing in my hands and roaring into the traffic because I can't run anymore. Right and then it was like wow, okay that's training and then it's recognizing. I'm triggered. I'm now the victim this is happening to me, right is it or is it happening for me? Okay, let's sit away. From it and I think the more work you do the less time you spend in the trauma of it all you know, the more you can highlight what it is and what's coming up for you. Yeah, and that's a huge part of self-awareness. Yeah and being responsible for your actions and your behavior and owning. It. Don't blame anybody else your choice. Yeah you choose it's on you. You know just stop for a second observe. What's going on embrace it acknowledge it. No just accept that's what's going on in that moment. But understand why and strip it back a little bit to get back to the trigger and knowing again, it's all down to you. Maybe it's a past trauma. Maybe it's something that you'd brought on yourself and I think the more aware we can be interesting accepting and being that vulnerable person that is actually becomes quite important. Howard from that vulnerability I hopefully that inspires more people to lean in and kind of like sit with what's coming up to maybe work back from that and understand it and use that as a strength. Yeah for me. I think I think breaths one of the most breath is one of the most potent tools for that. You know, I'm I can feel I'm elevated I can cause a bit of anxiety Then I'm going to do some breath any breathing tools. What do you recommend? So many breathing tools are some simplest form up to help someone down regulate. What would you do? So to simplify down regulation based on my own personal experience is what I see resonates with a lot of other people when I teach real Foundation classes and workshops is one being aware of what's happening with your breathing being aware of what's happening in the process of a breath. A lot of people say, I can't meditate I can't breathe I get so distracted got really busy mind. I'm really over stimulated. I'm super stressed. Whatever the stimulus is. Whatever the emotion is is a okay. Well one thing don't beat yourself up. If you feel you can't do it just observe the next breath. Mmm and then observe the next breath, but if your mind is still busy don't worry, except that's the way you feel in that moment observe the next breath. Nasal breathing compared to mouth breathing. There's a purpose for both. Yeah, but day to day if we're looking to down regulate and to bring calm and to get into more restful digestion State and you know Carmen repair repair or repairing a restorative whatever you want to call it. Down regulation is to start to slow down the breath to take control the breath and then be aware then of what happens physically emotionally mentally when you start to lengthen those breaths go a little bit deeper and then inhale through the nose and then exhale for the nose. If you struggle with nasal be that people still do yeah, and I'm very aware of that. Work towards inhaling for the no so it slows it down and then lengthen the breath out when you release it slow it down even more and then observe the next breath and then starting to count the breath I think is the key part because then it's less brain chatter when you're having to intern the count. So inhale for four seconds have a really conscious mindful pause before you breathe out and then count how long it takes you to breathe that exhalation and then repeat. It maybe it's a little bit longer than next time. Maybe it's a little bit shorter, but take your next breath. So I always get people to play with it because if I set the intention of right I Want You to Breathe In for four seconds and then exhale for 8 seconds because that's what I find works from my balance. Okay? Well that person might feel anxious because they can't hit the full rate. Can't hit the for a hmm. So you do you one day. It might be different. Maybe you're super stimulated one day and and that for becomes 2 and the 8 becomes 3 like and I can't breathe through my nose today. Okay. Well, what can you do? Can you do a out for your mouth? Okay when then can your next breath but in for the nose and out through the nose, so that's a long way to explain that but no. No, it's not. It's all about them to have permission to know that each day might be a little bit different. Yeah, but just observe and accept that's the way you feel in that moment. And then Connor which ties in my being present be present because the awareness of your breath the awareness of the process is a mindful act which allows you to be less stimulated by your environment or whatever is triggered you where was wound you up. It might just be one breath that gets you to go. Yeah, the breath is what tool to get you back to the present bring you back to assess to recalibrate to check in to then go about whatever it is. You've got to tackle next even if that's a good night's sleep. You know, I've got ten rounds of solid consistent breath and your build and it neck the next day you build and it the next day if you forget one day it's okay. We all do it, you know, you can always come back. That starts with breath. It ends with breath. Yeah. No, I want to add to that because I have this whole thing about a PD. I'm writing about the moment because I Des with the ice part are going to got to get in the eyes and I got to get my PB and it's for me. It's now just a present best or a profound best. So every day every minute is going to be different every hour is going to be different. That's the point right? It's whatever that present best can be in that moment. Nice man. That was our present best. It was I like that I'm hyped. I always love chatting about this stuff. It reinforces it. I mean, I love hanging out with you. Anyway. Yeah, it's really cool. When I think you're a legend and I'm grateful that Legends on the cow part of this whole good name of the Pod guys. Legends Legends on the couch. I'll Embrace that and there we go. That's who you that one ha ha ha. I'm thinking about Richie and friends at the moment. That's nice, but I don't know we're steering in. Direction of just understanding what I would like to be around. Yeah, so but I think you know if we're going to leave this in a way that's going to inspire other people to me. We just be a bit more present a bit more aware. It's actually just just check in with yourself and see where you can make some little changes that will have a profound impact I think on the rest of your life and don't feel that you've got to rush it because we're on our own little Journeys, aren't we just learning? Absolutely and we're carrying so much from Generations before For their Journey. Yeah, you know so there's an awful lot to shed their it's a good thing to be a part of isn't it? So B2B be caring and gentle to yourself just as much as anyone and being empowered being exactly in 80 wild and it connected negative 1/8 empowered the also incredibly grateful. Yeah man, great for your time man gratitude. Boom is the very much rigid pleasure man. Been a pleasure. Hope you enjoyed the conversation of rich as much as I did. 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Deborah Chow did that Jon Favreau wrote that in Mando killed that I can't wait to talk about chapter 3 this in right now. I'm Maria Menounos and you're tuned in to AfterBuzz TV the ESPN of tv top now, what's up? His daughter AKA Chewbacca's long-lost daughter to my left is Rilo run Ryan Nelson in the building had a popcorn talk loving Star Wars Star Wars news every Thursday for p.m. PST. So excited to talk Chapter 3 of the Mandalorian gang and to our left is the Marvel movie news / Star Wars super fans Admiral xia Anderson. Freaking pumped to talk about this episode. Like I need to calm down and Grand Moff Christian Blatt. Yeah. It was all right, let you know we are so excited and for we're going to be breaking it down of the delivery of the bounty change of heart in those action scenes that we got and then kind of dive into the mandalorians in the culture and the flashbacks that we got a little bit more insight and then we'll have our special segment which is our directorial highlight. Highlight on Debra check our herself. I'm wearing my Asian American Girl Club shirt because not only as a woman as an Asian-American woman, but as a Star Wars fan, she killed it so excited and then we will have news and gossip from Zia and our man Christian. Blatt is in the chat. So if you're joining us live on YouTube right now, please join in on the conversation. We have more people in the chat than we have for any previous episodes. So let us know what you think right now holla holla. We'll get into some predictions because I think they'll be very juicy for our overall thoughts. It's a little bit switched up because we're gonna start it off with Ryan who prepared an opening statement because that's just how high tea is. I am. So hyped stuffs her bra Chewbacca's daughter last night was nuts last night was crazy. Okay for let me just take a little Drake & Josh quote here. Ladies and gentlemen, I am not an emotional man, but last night Night promotional talking Mandalorian chapter 3 having a bit of a Kyle Brandt moment. Here you for a long time Star Wars has been like it's been a really divisive fandom mostly positive. But there's always been a few doubters. There's always been a few, you know, negative thoughts whether it's the new movies the animated TV shows and we've been hyped for this series Mandalorian for so long and the first two episodes are like there were good. I'm sold. I'm watching but like what do you got enough of the baby Yoda memes. I love them enough of the of the amazing trailers. TV spots the concept art. What's the story last night? We got the story it delivered. It was awesome. And you might notice the bags under my eyes. That's because I was up so late because my heart rate was beating at 300 beats per minute. I couldn't fall asleep. The last time I was this excited was February for 2018 when the Eagles won the Super Bowl. That's how awesome this episode was Mandalorian chapter 3 and shout out to MVP different Chao first woman and a person of Asian descent to direct a Star Wars live-action piece of material. She killed it. We're gonna talk about her later. This was so special and you know what? Let me tell you this all the haters out there cancel the Emmys because we know who's winning. Okay, don't even resurrect. Don't even book a reservation for the venue. We know what's going on and you know, dear haters for all those that just don't they did they don't like the new Star Wars content Disney can't do it the Disney doubters. Big did it last night? Okay, and there's the Mandalorian set. This is the wedding. All right. This show is the way this is try to follow that but seriously, give me your love this but that was amazing. I'm really sweating. Thank you, Ryan. He or she I can see it for anyone who can't see it on camera. She absolutely is that was incredible. I could not stop laughing. Yeah, I can't follow that so I'm just gonna say I loved this episode so much. Like I literally stopped watching. I got up early. I got up at like 6:00 a.m. To watch this episode because like I can't stay up late anymore because I get up so early but I got up at 6 a.m. To watch this episode. I'm like watching it with my husband is getting ready for work. And as soon as it's done, I'm just like I said out loud to a roomful of no one. It's just me. I'm like, I can't have time to watch it again. If I didn't have to write my script for Marvel News Daily which will be up today. If I didn't have to write that script. I would have just watched it again. It was it was just so so it was so good. This is just exactly what I wanted. The first two episodes were amazing, but it was building they did a great job of setting the story up a building. They gave us a couple of good reveals and then they just jump in with this and also might I add my prediction from last week was correct. Which I'm like I'm like, oh my God. I wish I never get those right I was all right, but you're right which one that the he was going to hands baby Yoda in and then change his mind and go back for him, which he did. He really did that. He's just so good. Yeah, I gave him too much credit. I thought that part at the beginning, but well, let me get all that sweet metal. And now that I've taken it and given it to my people now, I'm gonna go and take baby Yoda, but I actually thought that the pacing was great in this episode because Last episode it was basically Mando Nick Nolte, you know hanging out with a bunch of Jawas which was great. But this like, you know, definitely put it into another gear and I feel like we're already, you know from episode 4 all the way through to the end. I think we're going to probably maintain this this sort of accelerated Pace from like the middle of this episode on word because everybody's it's not like people are looking for him anymore, you know, so I thought it was great a lot of cool little things that we got to see along the way and I really I really there's something that we'll talk about that. I've kind of always wanted to see ever since the first time we ever saw Boba Fett. So yeah, I thought that this was great. I think that I'm going to Envy anybody who for whatever reason doesn't watch this show until after all eight episodes are up because the fact that they can just go and watch the whole thing. It'll only take about three and a half hours, but they'll be able to go all the way through and it'll take about four hours and 20 minutes but still it's a bit just to not have to like because now I'm like, huh? Wait till next Friday. By the way, I can watch us next Friday. It's Thanksgiving. And there's you know, we have two thanksgivings for my phone. Probably thought absolutely family. You don't know what's going on. But let me tell you your join you right now right here. I I tried to say to my son fix you a shirt with Yoda on it, right? That's what he got. Six kids. Don't let me get into it obsessed with them. Not more than baby. It doesn't say almost closed. I will say speaking of runtime people in the car. Hence last week. We got some haters sure you love you. Love you so much. But this is what I'm talking about. This wasn't 45 minutes, which is kind of what we were talking. What we were hoping for. It was 37 minutes and -5 for opening credits ending credits, and it was amazing. I mean, this is I have zero complaints about the time it told whatever story you needed to tell for this episode absolutely perfectly and I am so obsessed with Mando like and I was saying it one of my notes to quote. Please do not come at Mando like he's the same man know from chapter one. He's got a higher place. All right, he has new armor and he's ready to just destroy. All right, I love them. Ryan quotes Drake and Josh and I quote drink and somehow we're like best friends. It's the weirdest weirdest. Hello. Okay, let's get into the delivery of the bounty. Oh so good so so much tension in this scene and we got a little bit more information about the client in there. I just love the Curiosity that I have between him and we find out more when Mando returns and we hear there's someone higher than him, but what did you guys think about that scene where he delivers delivers a baby Oda 50 50 50 year old baby. Okay, but he Woo's in you know, he's adorable. I think I really like this seen a lot one worry I've had with this show is you know, the protagonist we don't see his face. And it's hard to convey a lot with a characters feeling when you can actually see an actor details and their performance. So it's just a lot of subtle body movements and there's only so much you can convey with that. I was surprised how much to worked in this scene. You know, he obviously he's a little hesitant to drop off the baby and right after he takes his reward he stops and asks, like what are your plans to do with it? I thought that I was surprised how well that worked because on paper. I really don't think it would have If I did I wouldn't have bought that it would work. So that that scene was really awesome to me. It was great to go back into the room Werner Herzog awesome performance. Oh my God. She is so good everything. He says it's just so eat and I always talk about this with Game of Thrones in Star Wars to the characters because it's so based in fantasy and sci-fi. It can easily be cheesy but we have to have actors like him it is so I'm like, all right. This is serious this client like I'm not My Pam, yeah, he has a very air of being like evil even though you don't know that he is but you know that he is like he just does a great job of portraying I'm like oof. I don't know about this guy. He's the best kind of evil that you see in Star Wars which to me is not the emperor. But Senator Palpatine who's just always like, oh, I can't believe that I've now been elected right? No idea this was going to happen and he just started like that whole way that he plays everything or is just like, you know, he's like, oh, yeah, this is exactly What I wanted so the suddenly I could see that Ryan Ryan should take a look as well that Jeff had a little photo that he showed to her audience. Yes. I was a little little baby out a look at you. Yeah, I really do think it was an awesome scene and you know, you just know after he drops off baby Yoda and he's being taken away to another room you like he's gotta go back from and it was that whole it's that whole idea like he's going back he gets the new armor and like wow man was really feeling himself. It worried about baby yodeling. What are they gonna do to him? Let's talk about that when he delivers him in there instantly testing him. It kind of gave me this throwback to when Anakin was being tested for his midi-chlorian like numbers. Yeah, so I don't know I think it was different but it was I'm curious what your thoughts on what they were looking for. They said he was healthy. Was it to see if he was for sensitive? Well, what do you think? I mean? Yeah, that's what I'm assuming. I mean that's what all the fuss is about that. They wanted him is because a he's for sensitive and not just just a little bit for sensitive where he has to learn his power. I mean he is so powerful and they must know something and I'm thinking it's something along those lines but Amanda over here as you know, when he's using his little cool infrared helmet. Yes is that they're extracting something from him. So many Koreans would make sense. There could be something else but I think that your whatever they're interested in Werner Herzog was just like yeah, just you know, you have to dispose of it when you're done and the doctor whose name. I've already forgotten but he doctor Pershing thank you Duncan Pershing. He says that well that wasn't what they asked for. So whoever the answer to wants us thing alive when her legs like this is too much of a headache. Let's get rid of this thing. So I thought that doing a little stealth Recon I think was good because yeah, he does barge in guns a-blazing but he kind of figured some things out first and you get to see the cracks in the Bounty Hunter code. Yeah referee asks. Hey, what are your plans for it using melee? Like what do you say? I gave you your money. Get out. What the heck in you're breaking your code. Yeah, and it's he's definitely not supposed to be emotionally attached to this baby, which we've seen happen and you're right. He does a fantastic job of without seeing his face the hesitation in his movement. You really see that and what I also really liked about that scene when he's giving baby Yoda away. He also shows it when first of all the Stormtrooper grabs baby odors these, you know, Carriage Meats like easy with that like cheese, but I also really like the way that they managed to Tre baby Yoda, like I really think he understood what was going on. He the looks that he was giving and just how they portray a motion with his ears. It looks like he's like, oh this this isn't good. He's giving me away and the I thought that that I was that I liked this guy, but maybe you know what I mean? Like they showed they did a good job of I think showing that with baby yoda-like where he I think he's very aware of what's Happening as the switch is being made. He gives that sort of last longing look at me. They're like, oh, okay. Okay, this is how it is. All right, I really thought we were Bros member house and your life. All right. So, you know, I think when he sees him again, he's like Alright, I did have a good feeling about yeah, so but yeah the he's very expressive and just you know, some really minor sounds or whatever and then it makes you wonder did it take you out of more than fifty to a hundred years to learn how to talk. You know, was he like this when he was that little is that what he'd speaks mixed up backwards language because it's a it's hard to you know, put it all together. These are all things that I was wondering as I was watching speaking of Mando and baby Yoda two characters in our main characters. I can't really Express themselves on the way other characters can one as a Redskin ones maybe a baby OTA. I think we have to give credit and only to Deborah Chow in the directing of this but the sound design the concept edit and I mean it was done. So it was so well done and you can't really do that. Like Ryan was saying written it must have been like, how are we And I do this, how are we going to make people fall in love with these two characters the way that we have I mean baby Yoda broke the internet. Well, yes. It's the way you shoot it too. I mean, they're the cinematography this episode and all the episodes so far, but really this episode there was a sense of longing every time look baby. OTA was leaving screen or being taken away like that. Not only through with just how he looked but it's going to another room it's over man to shoulder and you know, just the idea that everyone is in the background is boredom and I was just kind of like okay, I'm always in trouble. There's the sense of danger through how this episode is shot. And and also when you introduce the new characters, especially after he gets that money realized this is gold. It's just little metal bars that were not we've only had one episode and seeing like, oh it can make a shoulder pad. Yeah, but when you saw the whole stack like wow that and the client that's when he said something like finding the best car is easier than finding a Mandalorian. Did you what do you think of that line? Well shade. Yeah, it's more like, you know, you got this, you know, I think there's your people are on the run for a reason, you know, don't do anything to you know, really put yourself back underground. Basically, I think is what he was saying when I wanted to backtrack to was as he's walking from a ship before he gets to the client and the you know, the little stroller thing is open. Everybody can see baby Yoda, and that just tells you like how confident Mando is as he evidence as he gave us evidence in the Episode well deserved but he's just like it one. Why don't you go ahead and try and take this like this thing that people are looking for throughout the Galaxy that everyone on that planet had been given one of those fobs to try and find it and he's got it there in broad daylight. You know, anybody could just come to try and take him like well, I'm gonna go bring it to the client now and he was like, right there was no one tries impressive because I don't know. I think you probably would have something as high-profile as that. You think he would have hit it or something, but now I just like it baby Yoda check him out. I got it. Yeah, it's true because since there has been the fall of the Empire. We are in an area in time where there's kind of lawlessness going on. And so that is an interesting point. But I did the question that I got during these scenes is how did the client survive the fall of them higher well and button to that point to they talk about there's a part where he says report them to the new Republic then and Mando actually says that's a joke. So it seems like there's just isn't anything. - that's like solid enough to sort of have any of these like rules or laws or anything. So it is kind of Lawless. They don't want Wes. Yeah, it's really post-civil war and everything still trying is getting reconstructed. Right? Nothing is set nothing's in stone. So it really is such an awesome Western like this is maybe the most Western Star Wars is ever been I really was digging the score in this season. Is that episode as well? Like I think it continues to get better. Yeah. I was gonna say that Ludwig props to you, man. To you. I do want to just shout out you guys in the chat right. Now, if you're watching us hit that like button hit that like button right now. Also leave us a comment after we finish our discussion so we can keep the conversation going if you're listening to us on Apple podcast. Hello podcast listener. We love you to make sure to give us those five stars leave us a review because we also love to chat it up there as well. Just want to shout you out much love Star Wars fan. So let's get into the delay the the change of heart because my God God, wow, I change of heart. Why don't you start because this was your prediction? Yes. I am. I just had a feeling because he's got that code of honor and I just had a feeling that he was to be like no I'm going through with this the me like what did I do? And I love the moment where he really makes up his mind that he's gonna do it when he notices the knob that baby Yoda had taken off his plane went off and he looks at it and he just has that moment of like I can't do this. I have to go back and you just it says so much. It can't move. I love that moment. I love that moment. So that's one of the questions that we have is what kind of man is the Mandalorian right not I think answers a lot of that. Absolutely you saying he put the man in Mandalorian. Is that what you're trying to that's the moment where you realize that the episodes called the sin because he's like, what did I do? No, it's like I really I really want that armor. But you know, I knew this was wrong, you know, the whole flight walking and praising him through the streets and they actually hand over but I think that you know it just that realization and of course you kind of knew he's like Alright getting ready to go. I'm like sure you are where you're going to go catch Admiral ackbar's little brother and but just like him turn it off the ship. You're like, yep, and that's why I love to live whatever reference before him like staking the place out. And of course he The little floating stroller there in the dumpster out back and that was heartbreaking hard part out because I'm like, I still want that that was such a great visual. We I saw it coming too. I mean you predicted it from last week, which I didn't see coming but from the being episode you like. Oh, he's going back. Yeah. I just love the way they did it. I love that little piece in the ship. Like that is a believable piece of detail for him to go back and this is after you know change of heart. You also had a change of armor or replace all this armor, and he's just looking fly. He's attracted to someone who you've never actually seen is that we have no idea what? No idea some of it but I meant yes. Oh my gosh, and I do want to get into the Armory and we'll talk more about the mandalorians as a whole but I think the armor is essential to the scenes that follow and we have where he goes back with the best car to build this new armor. And I love that. The signaling birds are the sigma or Sigma Signet cygnets. Yeah. It's just like a beautiful moment that shows the Deep culture that's embedded in everything that the Koreans do and the scene when he's like coming back and he decides he has a change of heart and I was like, oh like he just knocks talented. He's just sniping everyone. What did you guys think about that scene? Because that's when I was like I texted you. This is a movie. It's a movie. It's a movie. It's that good of quality. Why has so great is that he's like I got rope. I got a blowtorch. I got a couple of blasters and oh, by the way, I've got a little mini heat-seeking missiles at I'm going to take you all. If I need to lose more friends, that was amazing because I also like sort of the the reality of like, oh, yeah. I've been using the flame a little too much now. I'm out, you know, so I thought that that that was a nice touch to the you know that you know at some point in its like a western the fact that like their guns never run out, you know, you like okay at some point is going to run out of bullets and I started like that now he's mad and oh, so he's got plenty of other ways to go about doing things. But that scene in particular it just reminds you just that It doesn't matter which era of Star Wars a story is set the Stormtroopers are always garbage. Yeah. Yeah. Worst part of the reason why those on YouTube I wore when I said I enjoyed says it says I had friends on that death star has a he has a tear the probably gone you okay? Probably they're gone. Yeah and just like you look at this is it you can't have enough Stormtroopers because it's always like yeah now they're all going to get killed every single one of them, but it does So really showcased his skill level as well like he's so tactical about it and he knows exactly what he's doing. And even when he gets surrounded like you said those heat-seeking. I mean though that was just fantastic. I was like just when you think you know everything about him, he pulls something else out like out-out from his sleeves. Yeah, they are just like how so cool. I just reading one of my notes and when he has baby Yoda, and I was like first of all take you out with the fucking baby. It was dope. Take you all out one hand and then all the way to when he decides to go back you do learn a lot more about the culture and religion while he's delivering those pieces those little metal chips the crafter. I think I'll call our it she asked. Okay. Well, would you kill was it a noble kill and he goes now was the noble kill enemy help to just didn't know it was my enemy. So he's even realizing Okay that Bounty wasn't my enemy like that was just a job and He does care so it all kind of connects even on a more moral level for him as to why he goes back for baby Yoda, and it's interesting to think that it is a sin that he does deliver the armor, even though that that's going to help the future the future mandalorians and that's what they kept referencing like. Oh, we're going to save a bunch of these for the kids and coming up the foundlings. Let me tell winter is actually from my notes. I was inspired to write. Zia sees it right now. I believe the foundlings are our future teach them well and let them lead the way yes, so I will I would have broken out into song but I was watching it by myself and that's what have been that much fun. There's just so much to anyone Rich mythology. I don't want this put throughout this entire up. Yeah. I really am interested in the mandalorians. It's a whole it's the first time I've considered converting religion. I just think it's such a strong story to tell because there is it's Like the the laws of war in terms of there's a lot of hypocrisy and I think that there is some to explore with the mandalorians because when you are a bounty hunter you deem people your enemies, but there's they're not. All right. I'm and I think you don't ask questions so that you don't know but that doesn't mean that they're not your hmm that your yeah, right. You just had that's your mark. So you have to sort of maybe put it in terms in your head of being there the enemy otherwise How else are you going to promotion what you're doing? Yeah, exactly. What did you think of so when he's getting that armored crafted and the other mandalorians come up and they're like really all these are imperial chips. What are you doing? What did you think of that sequence because by all accounts also the empire did something to them but in those flashbacks you see no it was the droid army that like gave him child trauma that took out is home. That was the that was like the separatist droid army. That wasn't really Stormtroopers. Thanks. It was interesting to hear the other mandalorians have some kind of Vendetta. Like I may not use those. I think they're referencing something more recent or else we will hopefully learn about which is not the droid army, but it's the actual you know, the Empire and what you know, how do you basically you know, what happened to the planet of Mandalore where they're all from? Why aren't they not there? What did The Empire do? You know? They probably took over the planet. We're like, okay, you're part of the Empire now and they probably a lot of them probably ran and hid It and they've stayed that way so I think that it has a lot more to do with the last few years before this than his flashback, but we had a good comment in the chat about that flashback, which is the chest say the chat was saying was it was a prediction which I know is a little ways off but was I'll find who to give credit to but the was like each time a flash what we see a little bit more and this time, you know, we saw that Droid as the door opened up. It was Christopher Cerf. And he says do you think that the next flashback will show a lifesaver go through that Droid? Yeah, that's and I was like, okay, we my prediction want to thank you for spoiling my prayer to him. Just kidding. That was definitely I definitely think that there he has some sort of connection to the force. So something happened where he has a little bit of an understanding or but then he didn't understand if we're to believe what he told Nick Nolte we're to believe that he didn't understand. What baby Yoda did he didn't understand the force? Yeah. I don't think he gets it. I Think he's aware that there's something more out. Maybe he just has a respect for Jedi Knights. As you know, what yes, you know with their fancy lightsaber. Yeah. Yeah, and he doesn't know that they actually use the force that is possible. He could have been saved by that. It was like, okay, let's go we're tracking devices are going out man goes completely like covered in every single section. And I'm just like how is he going to get out of this? But like he warned you guys in chapter 1 he likes these odd make sure likes these on don't tell me on that was John Wick ask, you know, you've ever seen a John Wood films in the end. The second one that like everyone's after you that was this episode. There's so many great nuggets planted early on and then call back Stephen when Carl Weathers is like everyone got a chip. Everyone's got a Tracker and then that comes back into play. Wow, I love just the even just that small detail of the fact that as soon as baby. Yoda is taken and moves somewhere else that all of the other trackers start going off again. It's not like oh these are done and everybody still has them so it's almost like they anticipated this and they knew it. We're going to have every Bounty Hunter on this every step of the way. There might be a chance that they get baby out and it gets taken again because this creature is in such high demand, but I I just love that scene because the gravity of the situation just It's you square in the chest were like, oh my God, he's going to have everyone on him. And there's a small part of you. That's like no. I know he's going to get out of it somewhere another it's just how he gets out of it. Right but it did look like for a moment where he's looking down at the baby Odo in there's a moment where he's it kind of seems like he thinks this is it I'm dying to protect and I was like, by the way, so talking about getting emotional actually started to like tear up a little bit when the rest of the mandalorians you came to rescue him. That was where I was laying out seam leaving up the look to baby Yoda and then only for him to look up. Yeah that happened. Yeah, and the way I saw that was baby. I was like, yeah, I mean, I guess if I have to and then he um, he's like, okay, actually I don't because I actually love the fact that he didn't just you know, he didn't just I don't know freeze everybody put them all up in the air, you know, any of the things that a Jedi could have done and that would that's what I was expecting. So when instead And we got when I reference to the top of the show, which is something I would have always wanted to see as a kid. It's Boba Fett was just one guy and what if instead you have like 30 Boba Fett's and all flying and shooting and I know it's the last line of the show, but I love that Mando was like I gotta get one of those. I'm like, yes. Oh home effect could always fly and you can't so come on. That's why yeah. Yeah. Yeah, he's got that super cool new armor. Now, he just needs a jetpack to go with it. He's on the speeder looking at Yoda like this is it man. Yeah and And and you probably just like give it up you're done and you just see a like it's some kind of missile in the background and then a bunch of jetpacks come up. I think I woke up everyone in the house. Yeah. I flipped could have a baby with a different species where I'm really considering so Steph. What do you mean if Don't come closer. We'll catch up. You can see if maybe Yoda are a representative of a species is on Tinder or something there might even be an app just for yeah, maybe there is yeah. There's a Yoda species out. What would you do for baby OTA? I would Jesus Christ and die unique Rusev crucified for me. There's nothing I wouldn't let me be clear. That's that's exactly I think it might be that sense of Abandonment. We don't know how that flashback. Yeah plays out, but it looked like his parents close the door explosion. Yeah, so she might have felt not abandoned, but he might have just lost the he didn't have anyone to grow up with and that maybe that's how he connects to this baby. Yeah, absolutely. So We think so. I had an amazing urgency. Oh my God. Yes such a good scene. It was so well done. It really felt like move it felt like Rogue one. Seriously. It was so well done. Almost better though. Yeah Steph. I almost better because the mandalorians just like flying I have to watch her ago on again before I can make the cause. That was my favorite of all of the results are worth a little bit of a happier ending much heat just a little bit. So the interesting thing there and I was wondering what you all thought. That was why the change of heart so they talk about, you know, their tradition their culture being underground the fact that there should only be one so why do they think that this cause that he didn't talk to them about so why are they all so invested in this now that they're like, we're going to help you do this because we know this is right because absolutely he's in the right for what he's doing but the fact that they all decided to help him without it. He didn't ask for their help. Yeah. I thought I thought was interesting and I just didn't know. What any of you thought about that? I mean, I feel like part of it comes from their culture and how important the foundlings and the Youth of the mandalorians are just in their culture and for the future and maybe that's just such a like they value children so much that they were you know, thinking oh my God, first of all, they don't because there's must be a big significance behind this baby O2 because of the crazy demand for either his death or his capture whichever it is depending on who wants to do what and I think maybe a combination of that and just they're culturally being like this is a child. We can't in good conscience. Let it get taken or killed. Plus. This is our you know Mandalorian brother or you know, whatever term they use that needs our help and maybe that was part of it. I mean we can only guess I wasn't yeah honor and I think they respected how much he when they confront him while he's getting his armor and he's like no this is the way I know we're using the Imperial money. This is the way I really think he says that the end I loved ones like this is the way they're on board. They're like my Sam. I people very Samurai. Is there something very similar about them. I mean, yeah, you have that cool. Like I don't know tuning fork, whatever you want to call that like Pitchfork thing people, which is amazing. Oh my God, I want Carl Weathers was like that's pretty important ding ding. It was which that's another thing that goes back because when you first see Boba Fett, he's animated in the Star Wars Christmas Special which Ryan hates but the first thing we were seeing and he has that and you don't really see him with it in the movies with that that tuning fork. I don't know what to call it. It just a disintegrator in my head. It's a design a greater. Yeah, and you know, so I just think it's great that he has it. I mean some of the expanded universe stuff you do see mandalorians with those so I'm glad that he he's never without it really so so I thought to actually see that he's clearly made some modifications to it, but he doesn't have a jetpack is very impressive, but he does get out and vote. Or he does and before he sees the jetpack, we see grief carga try one more time. And I thought he was dead. I'm glad he stopped because I think he's going to be an important part of the show moving forward how much I don't think he's going to be the villain but I definitely think he's going to be helpful to the villains. What a story he tries to he tries to help Mando in his own way. He's like put it on the speeder and we'll talk about it. You know, he's not he doesn't he's inside. We're going to shoot you right now, you know, he wants to help him in some way but he's still got his other agenda. So I think he's a little conflicted in his own way. I don't think he's particularly one thing now that he got shot. He still different. It's just like kind of had this though that's are still save him. Yeah, what was neat about that? It was yet another sequence where something they they show us early on which was the Carbonite freezing in the first episode on his ship comes into play here. Again. It's another scenario. Like, how is he gonna get out of this and the people plates of him pulling it out in Bar in the yeah the detail here to be able to do that in a story without you going like okay, we're going to see that later. Yeah seen something that is in an otherwise good movie or TV show and something is there just a little too heavy handed with showing great Point did that so well in this the fobs and the best car or armor of the little palette. I thought that it was great because you would legitimately be able to be surprised. You know, I didn't need to see him pull it out. I was like, what do you open it? Sighs I'm like, hello. I know what he's got. Yeah, it was right there that Action Jackson. You can't keep that crazy gives them a little ball at the end like they're flying away. He's like, yeah, it just doesn't get any better. It can't and I was telling stuff this before the show this whole like I mean baby Yoda broke the internet and I was watching this streamer play the new Star Wars game and he was talking about it because he's a big fan. He loves the show and everything and even he's like a 34 year old man. Who's like a dude? Dude was like baby. Yoda is the cutest thing I've ever seen like, he's just can't like you can't Universal its Universal. There's no way around it. It's just adorable and he's that moment is like the pop culture Jesus like there was a culture War. You just need to float baby your damn business stop. My preference is to our Lord and savior today. I know. Reaction to baby. Yes. He brought the tears onset. Yes just is like the brutal German Oscar winner who once said that the universe is monstrously indifferent to the presence of man. Did the grizzly bear? Yeah little tiny tip. When you watch the credits. Then the international credit start German credits Werner Herzog. He actually does the German was kind of nice. I do feel really bad for your Possibly that they can't see this show that sucks. It sucks. It sucks because you can't control the internet but I do want to wrap this up before segments on just the Mandalorian. There's a few quotes that I wrote down that our secrecy is our survival our survivals our strength the Empire's no longer best guards return When one chooses the walk to Walk The Way of the Mandalore you are both Hunter and prey. So how much do you think this is like now that they're kind of combined and become more united than ever in a Sense, where do you think we're moving forward with the mandalorians? I think we gotta move forward. They're going to show us more of the lore. You know, there's they highlight a lot of the mandalorians backstory in the animated shows Dave filoni did like Star Wars Clone Wars even in a lot more in Rebels as well. But there is this big gap and throughout the whole original trilogy and then the few years between Return of the Jedi and the show and a lot has happened. So I really do think we're going to get more and more mythology more and more history of what has happened. Why they're underground here and just the details of all that and I'm very curious to see if they had actually to bring Boba Fett back in to some level. He's dead. Yeah Dante confirmed that he died and and then I was just like no you gotta eat anything burped it digested but it's a great but it's a digestive for like a thousand years. So it's true. No, it's a great it's so interesting. Because up until now the one quote unquote mythology background other than or not mythology religious background. Other than like Sith has been Jedi and now we're getting Mandalorian. That's just as if not more Rich than Jedi how I'm so excited. Yeah. I'm really excited about this special segment though. Yes, we got some director highlights, you know, they only have six directors on board for all Eight Episodes this season and each of them are special in their own, right so today and we've been talking about are all We're highlighting Deborah. Ciao. Incredible director. SHI. I'm just gonna go down her list right now because she is probably the best resume of any TV some respect her name first off. She did a film to the 2010 called The High Cost of Living with Zach Braff really underrated indeed. This was fresh out of college. That's so rare right out of grad school. You complete a major feature film with an actor like Zach Braff that just shows how she can relate to these people and just get people on board with her project because he just As a personality she's done so many incredible episodes of Television for multiple networks. A lot of TV directors. It's unlike film you kind of get stuck with maybe one network you you meet people here and there and you might stick with like a CW or stick with an HBO, which is great. She's been all over the map in the best of ways. She did CW Beast Beauty and the Beast episodes USA. Mr. Robot Vampire Diaries AMC's turn Tyrant Iron Fist for god sakes six episodes of rain Fear The Walking Dead Jessica Jones on. Snowfall Better Call Saul which is one of the best episodes. She's done. It substance called something stupid. There is a 10.10. I think it's an eight minute opening sequence where half the screen is split and it shows just visually a relationship dissolving with either side in each character and unpack the frames. It's amazing better call saw the EPS is called something stupid. Yeah. No. I she did that episode. She's baller. I did the after show. I was reading the chat and I totally meant as a great that sounds familiar it is so well done. One the that episode of Better Call Saul is from the most recent season. Yeah, the most recent one. Yeah. So yeah, it's so creative and that is a director stamp on an episode which is again, it's really hard to do that in TV TV is more of a producer and Writer's medium and that you kind of you're a director for hire. Yeah, and the fact that she is so talented that she can not only add her stamp on there, but do it in a creative way that enhances everything else is so amazing. She's also done American Gods episodes from Amanda High castle and the new season of World and Mandalorian. I mean this is this was this is knock the doors off this show. This is what every Star Wars fans to waiting for. So shout out to Deborah ciao such an increase. She's from Canada went to school in New York NY you she's Columbia. She's so talented. Let's let's call it right now. She's gonna direct either a Star Wars but more likely a Marvel movie guarantee, right? So she's also the Civil one last thing for the island. She has been tapped to do episodes for the upcoming Obi-Wan series great and she also has one more episode for this season of the mandalorians episode 7 stay tuned for more Deborah. Shout. Shout out to you and congratulations. I'm so excited. I'm angry. I see her doing Marvel movie. Yeah, that's usually how it kind of works. You know, it's just like, oh you did this TV thing Alan Taylor. Yeah. Yeah and you know, just a lot of you look at a lot of their directors and writers a lot of them come from TV. And then this is just a great showcase like well, yeah, we have to you know work with her on a bigger scale is such a great point so much. TV now is becoming so like stuff you said this is like a movie. It's becoming so cinematic that it's almost like they're doing they're not doing TV. They're doing miniature movies a hundred percent movie check out this tweet up here Jeff Scott. It actually looks like she's using the force to direct. This is such a badass Jeff. You're absolutely right with all of us. It is one of the few times in Star Wars fandom history where it's a you Universal hell yes. Hell, yes. We love you. Yes, so dope as many of you know, people are going to eventually be like man, but you haven't heard it yet. Yeah surprising thing. Yeah, because usually like, you know opening day of a movie regardless of what it is. There's going to be some people that baby out. It's he freely that home run. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my God something. National or segments called WTF OK what the force because there are some people we love baby Yoda all of us. There are some people who couldn't keep their love inside and had to immediately go on the internet less than 24 hours and post pictures of it and I feel for the majan if you watch this show and you knew that inside that thing was a baby Yoda, it would not have been that's good. Oh, there are like the show didn't Premiere in Australia until this week. And as you referenced f it won't be in Europe until like March. All right, that's kind of on the high way to March. I wouldn't ask you what but like who had time to watch it except us and he's everywhere but Ira but I love the baby out of me, but I know my dad lives in Australia. No, I've never been red for Filth like this. Uh posted pictures of baby. You didn't like the first day 24 hours. You're not the only ones so it's not really just about 24 hours. I thought you know what screw all that small talk but can't say anything because I retweeted your Tweet stuff and I was like, I want to retweet it. But that's why I direct message them to you guys. I don't cry use the force watch it that way. Unfortunately, we do have to wrap thank you so much for that shade, but let's get this look like one light and one line prediction is starting with the shades Master himself. I was wrong. I predicted it for this episode. We have to get a space battle Yeah, like now he's left the planet. Everybody's coming for him. I think we have to get a space battle on the show and I think it's next week. Like it doesn't have to be all show but I think it's got to be early in the episode because first of all, where's he going? Right right doesn't he doesn't To take this thing to so wherever he goes people are going to be hot on the trail and whatever's left of the Empire. They're like, yeah. This is a pretty pretty high level operation. We were running that we gave you a ton of those little pallets for so yeah, we want that thing back. So I'm predicting space battle. All right, I'm definitely predicting that next episode. We're going to get one of these bounty hunters or assassins like ming-na Wen or Gina Carano or I also have a feeling Bill Burr is going to be in that character. Actor I think we're going to get that role. I think we're going to get one of those characters in The Next Episode and that's going to be like the big there's now these high-level assassins are going to be coming after him. I that this is kind of cheating but in that interview with all the directors last week, they had Bryce Dallas Howard on stage and she gets you upset Force. She's next week. She did mention that she introduces Gina Carano as character designer show so I'm really I think we're gonna get a new planet. I predict we're going to get new allies for Mandel and I also predict we're going to get I don't I'm not thinking space battle. I'm thinking I'm thinking just more in Pursuit. It's more run away. Now, that's how this was more confrontational western-style standoff. I think this is going to be we're chasing you now, it's going to look at Chase. Yeah, please film. Yeah. Okay, I think new enemies new allies and one and I think going to get a flashback every episode now because we kind of stayed on that track which I love and I think that we're going to find out that a Jedi did get him get him. Could it be a Jedi that we know perhaps Christian this window perhaps so we won't be here for Thanksgiving. We will try to do something. We'll let you know when to see the Epley. Well, yeah, I was trying to figure it out and Brianna who works here. Should we hadn't quite bravery as her a break? Britain has not figured. Yeah, that's that's amazing. She hasn't figured it out write it in the comments will also tweet about it socially and we will let you know as soon as our coverage is going to be out until then though Christian. Where can we find you? You can find me on Twitter Instagram at Christian DMZ and you can find Ziad myself Thursdays on a Marvel movie news on the popcorn Talk network at one Pacific and also Daily for Marvel News Daily also on popcorn time and I'm Z Anderson. You can find me on Twitter and Instagram @ The underscore land and just super quick news and gossip like super quick just because my God, I don't wanna tease are coming up. No, this is just just because the holidays are coming up originally we weren't gonna get any baby Yoda merchandise because they didn't want to spoil it. Wait what so it wasn't in the original merchandising sign but we are going to get baby Yoda merchandise in time for the holidays camper right now. They're not available yet in the coming weeks. They'll be Some like toys and stuff and plushies push pre-order. Yes. I have two kids. But right now there are two shirts on sale at Amazon one is 2299 once $25.99 and where you can find all of the Yoda merchandise when it comes out is going to be Amazon Zazzle Target Kohl's Macy Hot Topic and box lunch. And of course the Disney Store shop Disney and Disney parks and Amazon and Amazon. You will be able to get baby of merchandise for the holidays. That was so essential that you stepped in fix my mistake of skipping our news and gossip think bad news. And where can I buy Twitter and Instagram underscore underscore land and just like the Mandalorian it will get you your package in two days. Yes. I'm well, you can find it at Ryan Nelsen underscore and histogram and a try Nelson on Twitter and on the popcorn Talk network every 4 p.m. PST on Thursdays Star Wars news tune in and Mandalorian every Friday. What you know what our plan and where do people find that article my goodness ladies and gentlemen, thank you. Maria Menounos. Oh my gosh. Thank you Maria Menounos for tweeting out my yoda baby out a theory along the AfterBuzz TV. Thank you so much on the AfterBuzz TV websites. You can go and after was tv.com and check out that article. Thank you so much Cara Maria. Once again. Yeah. Thank you thou articles awesome. I'm surprised you can find me on Instagram and Twitter at stuffs her bra and have a Happy Happy Thanksgiving. I hope you eat so much in the May the force be with you. Maria Menounos would like to thank you for tuning in to AfterBuzz TV. Remember, we're not just the first where the biggest in the world and were the only destination for all your favorite TV shows whatever you crave. We've got it. So go to AfterBuzz tv.com and check out our lineup Buzz. See you later. Hmm. 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#TheMandalorian #BabyYoda #TheSin #DeborahChow On Chapter 3 of The Mandalorian, it's the episode Star Wars fans have been clamoring after for decades! Mando has brought Bounty Baby Yoda back to The Client for his reward, but he has feelings for the little guy and crazy action ensues! Join moderator Steph Sabraw, Ryan Nilsen, Xia Anderson, and Christian Bladt as they breakdown episode 3 of The Mandalorian! ALSO some epic director highlights for the FISR FEMALE ASIAN Director of Live-Action Star Wars - Deborah Chow! Enjoy! @StephSabraw @RyanNilsen_ @Xia_Land @ChristianDMZ @AfterBuzzTV Disney takes us to the deepest depths of a galaxy far far away, and we’re here to talk about it in THE AFTERBUZZ TV THE MANDALORIAN AFTER SHOW PODCAST. Set after the stories of Boba and Jango Fett, The Mandalorian follows an unnamed bounty hunter in the outer reaches of the galaxy and away from the New Republic, capturing targets and collecting his rewards. Tune in as our hosts breakdown each episode of the new series! About The Mandalorian: After the stories of Jango and Boba Fett, another warrior emerges in the Star Wars universe. The Mandalorian is set after the fall of the empire and before the emergence of the first order. The series depicts a lone gunfighter in the outer reaches of the galaxy far from the authority of the New Republic.

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They're synonyms got a better truthiness and parenting if you're if you're new, thank you for joining us. My name is Mike. I'm I go by dad and buried online my Instagram on the internet. Yeah. The information superhighway on Instagram Facebook and Twitter made my bones started out on Twitter. And now I'm on Instagram. It's I think that's a Drake. Lyric You're trying to move to the dark web though. I am taking over the job of the Silk Road. Yeah, so really crypto Mike. I spent a lot of my time and this is an important episode I think for us because I spent a lot of my time talking shit about my kids and talking shit about parenting but really I'm a truth teller, you know, you know, what what a great label you've given I know. Yeah, well, you know, I'm a soothsayer had a friend in college who saw one of those like long like are you millipede or something who decided freshman year in college that they were called soothsayers like a hairy long bug and I don't know what they're really called. But every time I see one now, I think of it as a fucking soothsayer, even though I know what a real soothsayer is isn't that says someone who's sick a fortune teller. Yeah. Yes. Okay. So, you know, it's like somebody who like reach tea leaves is some bullshit like that right? Every culture has some kind of shit like lady Cleo. Like a Bellwether woman you call one 900 Cleo. What was that? What was that woman the psychic hotline? Yeah. Click Miss Cleo Miss Cleo. She was a soothsayer and also a you con artist gets let me just let's just back this up for everyone who's joining us for the first time you are right? That's good. That's one of mine everybody. So copyright. So you are you're calling yourself a truth teller truth teller. I speak truth to power. Someone said on the live before we started recording a new Miss Cleo you the Miss Cleo of parenting. Would you say that that's accurate? You know what that's not for me. It's not I definitely I would put upon myself so funny because I believe you just gave yourself that moniker. No, but I'm a truth teller. Okay. I'm a Maverick. Okay that I watched Top Gun recently. Yeah, you know maybe more of a Sundown what about it? What about just not just a guy just trying to write stuff on the internet trying to write stuff. You think I fucking succeed in writing stuff? Okay now mine Instagram and I I visualize things still working on it. Okay, check out IG TV where I make videos. Do you we got we're posting a couple actually. Yeah. I'm going to start posting the podcast episodes there from YouTube so you can see how much I'm sweating which you can probably hear how much I'm sweating. Yeah, but they could also watch You Sweat on YouTube to which you know what Keith Sweat Kinda hot. It's all random reference Gonna Make You Sweat how many he sweat Keith Sweat? He's R&B artist may or may not have been a new addition. Maybe not maybe not. Okay. So anyway, I talk shit about my kids Pete is working on his personality a little bit. He's not online. He doesn't do social media is very uncomfortable. When we do our lives. I'm going to post a poll after this about whether people like when we do lives its whole with you know, but I love it. I should not be people want to know a little bit more about Pete. All they need to know is that there's two angry dicks that are pissed at their kit at that bar Pista parenting. I want this dress socks when I was so pissed at their kids. We love our life. I love making things sometimes God damn it. So look, I talked trash about about parenting and about being a parent in about my kids. 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We and the more support we get the, you know, the less advertisers we need to lean on and and the we're trying to get some Equipment for guests because I know everybody wants to hear my wife on here and they probably want to hear your wife to I know my wife wants to just basically do a podcast with your wife without us. Yeah, we'll talk about that down the line. So I know we're going to get intrusive parenting before we do we want to talk about the last two episodes because we haven't been here for a little while. So we did different parenting. So what happens when your spouse you and your spouse have different parenting Styles and we got some comments on that Sarge said he was always secretly happy. When mrs. Sarge I like how he's embracing. Yeah. This is good to know what she how she accidentally hurt the Instead of him because I think we talked about how I gave my kid a bloody nose by accident. He said he doesn't like that because he hates his kids. He likes it because if he did the same thing he would get shit for it. So it's like the shoes on the other foot little schadenfreude. You gotta mispronounce it shading frood she hadn't forgotten Freud us shot in fruit and schadenfreude. I watched Inglourious Basterds recently. I should I should know they don't say that don't say that word. They do speak German in it Christoph waltz's it very just he's like trilingual. Oh this Kick is wonderful. Pretty good. Almost now the first started off under bar. Anyway, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. I like it. When when my wife's the one who fucks up and not me it is there is definitely some schadenfreude but you got to be careful. What do you do? Do you set a precedent of coming down to like see no told you hold on hold on your back pocket put it back and then you just nurse it for the rest of your seat. That's what marriage is all about nursing Petty grudges. So Paula Paul ski, he And one of our patrons just like started you said great point about maintaining united front in the face of the enemy my wife and I correct each other's parenting. But only once we were alone the exception is when I'm really losing it. She tells me to take a walk or Leave the Room which is usually a good idea. First of all, I want to say take a walk as a great song but one of my favorite band Spoon everybody go check it out. It's on the girls can tell album which was the breakout 1999. I believe check it out. Secondly, I agree with him and I wish my wife would you know do it privately she calls me out in front of the kids a lot. It's a major source of tension. I'm not saying I'm not wrong and I'm not worse at parenting but it fucks it up when she calls me out and then a couple days later the kid didn't like pulls that out of his pocket and he calls you out for what your wife called you out on that's when you know, you got trouble. This is some trouble town. Oh my God, so Ms. Buying another Patron and very loyal commenter. So just to clarify totally was not a brag. I don't know what she's talking about do you hmm? Nope didn't do enough preparation for that. She was not bragging about going on vacation. I don't know I messed up by we just blew it. We just choked on a big. Hopefully you're not joking on those mini muffins that delicious little bites. We also talked about picky eaters. Yeah Sarge waiting again. He said, oh he was just making fun of how much I sweat which he's going to enjoy next week or this week as well because I'm just it's just that I've timeline City threw up a little bit in my mouth when you can see the sweat as it pours through my shirt. You know, what? Enjoy damn it. This is our little gift. Don't call me out. It's a little gift for all of those just go check us out on that. It doesn't help that when Pete basically hides in the corner. You know, what? Yeah. I'm kind of your a Wallflower. I'm kind of leaning back. I'm gonna lean in we appreciate the word from carry w-who said the picky eaters was our best episode by far our so far not by far barely because a lot of great ones, but we really appreciate we got a lot of good feedback on the picky eaters episode. I think mostly because kids are assholes when it comes to eating and almost everything else and if you haven't done check it out give it a little And give some others listen, let us know what you think. She said she really liked listening via YouTube like you she's one of those weirdos what I do that. I'm a YouTube listener, but she disagreed about how you are a nerd about giving your kids lucky charm. She's like it's a childhood rite of passage to give you a kid sugary cereal. I agree your sugary cereals cinnamon toast to her. Now. You said honey Sugar Smacks? What? Is it Honey Nut Cheerios smack anything with the word Cheerio in it is not enough fucking decadent treat it's not but you know Rio. Don't even understand we've graduated to everyone just gets Nutella waffles. Now. We talked about that. I hope everybody just understands when you repress the it comes out the other side. It's all okay now everyone just subsists on chocolate waffles. Now, here's what happens. You don't give your kids Lucky Charms and 10 years later. They're hooked on meth. That's just that's the challenge. That's actually how we save the the government has done studies. That's what Reagan did I think? Yep. All right. So we're going to get into the nitty-gritty what it's like to be real about parenting. pros and cons right after this Hey, Mike, have you heard of Spotify before? I have heard of Spotify? Really? Yeah, because on Spotify you can listen to all of your favorite artists and podcasts in one place for free. You don't even need a premium account Spotify is a huge catalogue of podcast on every topic including the one you're listening to right now here. We were having a normal conversation and I thought I knew more about Spotify. We're on Spotify. You can follow your favorite podcast. So you never miss an episode premium users can download episodes and listen offline. Ever you are and easily share what you're listening to with your friends on Instagram. I'm on Instagram. Are you on Instagram? Get out of here? If you haven't done so already be sure to download the Spotify app search for Dad and buried on Spotify or browse podcast in the your library tab. Also, make sure to follow me and Pete so you never miss an episode of the dead and buried show. Alright, so we're going to get into it today venting talking shit being honest about how shitty parenting is and the realities of it. Let's get real. What is it good for parenting. I mean War the I think that's actually what it's good for. What arrogance is Gore Laurie? Yeah, so it's funny. So I mentioned in the intro that a lot of this dovetails really nicely with my entire reason. I started blogging. So one of the reasons I started my blog was this kind of twofold at the beginning where few months before I was having my first kid. As looking for another Outlet where I could write because I'd been writing and I want to jump on the blog train late, but I saw a lot of friends were having kids and they were kind of Disappearing and there were losing their personalities and surrendering to the parenting Collective which is what I gets definitely a cult. This has his own set of terminology you your you change your in thrall to some fucking weird figure and their social life is gone. And that was one part of it. I wanted to keep my social life and my personality the other part of it was most of the shit that I saw online, especially We back then was very much. Everything is hunky-dory. Everything Is Beautiful everything is great about parenting is the greatest thing ever. Hashtag blessed. Yeah, and I was like, I don't even have my kid yet. And I know that that's not true. Right and I was like, this is the origin story. This is the origin story of dead and buried and I'm like, it's bullshit a it. It's more fun to be sarcastic and cynical and a dick and it comes more naturally to me because I'm sarcastic and cynical and a dick parenting lends itself very easily to that because it's not not a shitload of fun most of the time right? So and even now what's funny is a good almost 10 years later since I started that and had that idea it still resonates with people there's more and more people who talk shit. There's more and more ways to do it on Instagram and right like funny jokes for you briefly talk shit. Not as many people do the long form thing where I like right along screed about how I hate being a stay-at-home dad and it sucks which is what I wrote a couple of weeks ago. So that's what really triggered this that's what really triggered this. Recent version, right? So I posted that and I got a lot of fucking blowback from one woman said that if you complain about parent that she said she would when she was a single mom and she never complained about parenting and if you complain about parenting he shouldn't have kids and that is antithetical to the my entire perspective. That's bullshit. What's really funny is a lot of people responded. I posted that this woman had said that like in one of my Instagram stories and somebody responded and was like this is this woman literally Real Jesus, right? Like she's lying which must definitely has complained and it's impossible not to complain but that's what one of the things we're going to talk about is the benefits of complaining and and how its it helps connect you to other parents and how it level sets. Right as my we were talking about before this brings down expectations. It makes you realize you're not alone. We broke that this down in a lot of sexually had a lot of comments about it, but the fact is I don't think sugar coating and lying about it. And talking about how easy it is or how great it is. Does anybody have favors almost like you're trying to trick people into having kids like talking about how amazing that's right. That's right. I think that's why that's one of the reasons we started this. In fact, one of the reasons that I was even thinking about doing this is because the one thing that I feel so deeply about is I have three children and it's fucking brutal remember a brutal beating of this brutal on everybody. We talked about at the beginning of the podcast that what kind of just about saying could I we're not here. We're not experts we're just here to Complaint. That's right. But can I just say that no. Okay good. So when we had our third kid, it was me and you yeah you and I when we have number Greg Greg dad married his last name is dead and buried it wouldn't be Greg and buried well. It's there's also / each an RA IG, right / TR AIG or is it Greg with to with reaches a couple hyphens in there and there is a back you love - yeah. But no when my wife and I were going to have our third kid isn't people were like whoa. Why would you do that to yourself? Yeah. I said because we were really getting along we're having a great time and we hadn't fought and over I think about a month. It's stay like this feels weird. I want to start arguing over. Is this your yeah glass that you should put it should I put it away? Yeah you want who's changing this value? Tell me if you want to wash it. Why don't you just let me know, you know, it's like okay. Yeah exactly. Yeah, that's why we bring the spark back. Exactly. We needed to bring a little bit of that. That's the same reason. That's the same reason that sometimes what kind of opposite of jaw to be sometimes sometimes I will empty the ice tray. Yeah, and then I'll just leave it I won't refill I just leave an extra snack that I want to bring the spark back you the minute you need a little animosity. Yeah. What if look at this fucking guy is what eyes often said when you're talking about your wife. No, look at this fucking guys. My wife is can I call my wife? Dude, sometimes when she says something like dude, all right, dude. All right. So this is one of the things that children bring because before it's all like what we're we're going to go to brunch right? It's all brunch and before kid. Yeah, it's all brunch. And what else is there? I don't even know I can't even remember that far brunch and like sex in the kitchen, I guess whatever you fucking want. Somebody emailed me years ago on my blog and said, I'm in my 20s and I don't think I ever want to have kids. Can I be happy without having kids? Yep, after I stopped laughing for like 45 minutes. I responded her. I'm like, can you be happy without having kids? Fuck? Yeah, right 1 million percent my friend. We are at a concert in the in Prospect Park the other day Broken Social Scene shoutout Candace, you're describing your friend group, or I'm describing my friend. Now, this is no this is not her email. This is me. This is not your friend group. This is I don't have a friend group. You guys are it Pete innate and this unnamed Canadian got it. So we were there and he said I don't I was probably bitching about being a parent which what I do and he's child-free as they say and is not going to have kids at this point. And he said the freedom he's like, I love the freedom but every once in a while, I feel a little bit of an emptiness and I said straight to him and I tweeted this reason why I said what I wouldn't give for a little emptiness just to have some space something to you're not worried about your kids all the time. This shit is in your life. You're not fucking stressed out and I don't mean it. I mean I do mean it that's a true. A feeling that I have we're sometimes I wish I didn't have fucking kids because life is easier without kids. I'm not saying if you don't have kids that you're not missing it and there's a lot of people that want to have kids that can't and I mean no disrespect to them. The only people I mean disrespect to her people who call their dogs their kids you better bring that back but I but but on the flip side, I would just say that I think that through all the bitching through all the there is a lot of like fuck this fuck that but I do think that there is I get it Used a sense of completeness having this brute this crew of people that are now living in my house a lot of Hendon on you. Yeah, a lot of them are not paying any kind of sort of rent or and a lot of them are all of them. I mean look, I don't want to name names but maybe names. Okay, there's two of them Greg grab fucking freeloader like father like son. I guess I'm the fathers and honestly Gustavo so no, but I think the I think part of it is is okay. No, you've decided to have kids with your partner. It's for the all for all intensive purposes. It's a it's been a good thing. It's a great thing but here's the deal. There is 98% is hard fucking work knots that the day-to-day of its is its work and what the and what happens is there's repercussions. So your son is, you know, someone's crying someone's having a bad day. Someone's just asking the shitload of questions and like and then you're dealing with the other person who's also crying. You're like, can you Just fucking give me one fucking my Cleo. My my toddler's been up to lately. But that's all you need to do is my toddler and all we need to do is then Daddy what time is it? 3:17? Why don't I can't answer that question because the rotation of the fucking Earth, I don't know. I don't know. Why why it's 317. All right. So look, I don't want to make it look like I'm not all about like me wanted to be the truth teller or the suits are the new Miss Cleo of there's nothing there's a big benefit to me and we get into it. I think one of the benefits of Seeing and being real good parenting is the stress relief you get from it. It's one of my major stress relievers and I said this on an Instagram. I posted something on scary. Mommy. They posted a meme about how if you bitch about your kids. It doesn't mean you don't love them, which is my entire mission statement and I should sue them for fucking plagiarism. Somebody was like and I wrote on I'm like, I'm like it stress relief. It's great. And somebody was like, yeah, there's other ways to get stress relief, you know what to each their own. Yeah, right. I don't fucking bitch on you for going under the bridge. In shooting some heroin into your veins. It was Anthony Kiedis. I'm sorry. Okay. Yeah, I mean, you know, what if you want to go to the gym and eat healthy and like live a really put more power to you man. That's don't want to hang out what you Mike took the blue pill. Yeah, exactly. Right? So real a lot of people so I asked the question. I'm like Pro. I will what are the pros and cons of venting. Do you prefer parents who tell the truth versus parents who sugarcoat all the shit, right? So one of the major themes was the stress release that comes from it. So Mary case. Spitfire said if I can't complain about the reality of parenting I die from stress overload, which I agree with 100% which is so much of what I write is, you know as they say in your home your Homeland taking the piss right? I'm just fucking around to get you know, some relief from the grind of it. It's hard work with these fragile people depending on you at all times and all this shit sucks. Also, I will all just say it's also really hard to really kind of Crush on your kids when you're with your wife or with your spouse because it's like you're just trying to get what you need is a separate secondary Outlet where it's just like this is how you mean like you can't talk shit about your kids where your home with them. You can't be it's not a contest on a fun conversation. Look at what that guy's well, it's important to marry somebody who understands that if you're talking shit, you're just talking shit. You don't actually hate your children and it and it's a thing. I say all the time the same way that like dads get mad about how they're portrayed on sitcoms in commercials. I'm like look, I don't care if you call me a babysitter at the park or whatever if my wife and kids know I love them and think I'm doing a good job. You know, that's fine for me. Right? So ali-frazier 921 says I have a group text with three other mom friends so that when we have hard days we can text each other and vent about are a whole kids with no judgment. She's like, I don't think I could have made it through the first six years of motherhood without those male, which is the entire reason. I have a grown a community is that people appreciate the fact that whether they think I'm telling the truth They're not it's something that they appreciate hearing because it's hard for for a lot of them to say it. Well, that's what that's what I'm saying. You can't just necessarily come out and be like look at this fucking dick. Oh, yeah. What a fucking bitch ass. Just constantly constantly asking the same fucking question won't sit down. Oh, he wants a show. Look he hasn't finished his dinner if you're walking around her. So he's playing with his Beyblades fuck out of here late. If you're with the wrong person or like a friend that you don't know that while yet and you like talk a little Bit of shit about your kids and they're like taking a back. We're not hanging out anymore. Sorry. Yeah, I mean if you can't, oh, they can't tell the difference between your was like venting and like like I don't hate my kids just because I say, he's a fucking dipshit. Guess what? This is all kids are dip shits. This is the worst thing you can do because it's a story about a story but a friend of mine was at a party and said and basically said my kids my big kids being a total asshole and the person who's telling, you know, it shut that whole conversation. Yeah person said what's wrong with you and then my friend said What's wrong with you? And there's a huge gang fight, but then it turned into a dance-off anyway back to you - oh, that's funny. So I'm going to jump ahead a little bit. So little charmer 80 who was one of the MVPs of last week's picky eaters podcast said that people who never break character annoy me so she gave a scenario. She's like you're at the park kids are being douchey, right you maybe your kids are interacting. You don't know each other that well, so you make eye contact with the other parent, right? There's kind of two possibilities if you both roll your eyes and then start a conversation about how kids are assholes are what are you going to do kind of thing or you smile and support? And they look away like you're testing the waters and they look away as if they don't think their kids and asshole right like, you know, your kids being a dick. I'm not blaming you or your kid because kids are just dick admit it. Yeah, what's the harm in like admitting it and acknowledging the fact that your kid and all kids are fucking pricks. They're like little caveman. They don't know how to behave the now there is a we have this on helicopter parents a little more we touched on it, but I didn't really go into it that much but there's the antithesis to the helicopter. Which is whether the free-range parent, well, not necessarily free range. It's the one where it's your kids constantly being the dick to the other but it's like whatever like the kid just wants to share the truck and just he wanted he grabbed it and don't you know, you don't have to rush in the point is your car as a parent you're when your kid is a toddler from you know zero to toddler age, even though you know, whatever you need eight. I mean this is it gets a fucking decade. They get some free range. They get a lot of leeway. You're constantly just monitoring. Everything they do every single second of have to or they'll have the time the time the time the time the time zone the Ford in the tines all mine all mine. That's in reference for someone. That was Ash. Absolutely shitty references good. So check your kids at the door says you have to vent and complain or else you take it out on the kids and y'all yeah exactly. I agree with that except. It doesn't affect how much I owe my kids. I yell about them. Not you know what I tried to do. I tried to be super nice to my kids like how you guys could you I was just like fuck this I do that sometimes when you went Hulk mode. Yeah, I just Hot doubts. I was like fuck this Hulk smash. So Sara Lee Contreras. She actually quoted kind of so, I've given a couple best man speeches in my life. My dad gave me this quote once in the quote is like when you're giving the toast, you know, A wise man once said a Joy shared is twice the joy or happiness shared is twice that happiness and sadness shared is half as sad and Sara Lee Contreras who's a valuable contributor said grief shared his grief diminished which is where she says like you ven. Vent and you guys can commiserate with each other about my kids are dick. So your kids are dicks too like we can all agree but it's a different well, but personal wait a second your kid will sit and eat but won't sleep my kid will sleep but won't eat exactly. Okay. Well, so that's the stress release of it as of being able to vent and have a judgment-free Zone which my Instagram page if you're looking for one my Instagram page my blog my Twitter. I don't judge anybody for talking shit about their kids. What about you didn't mention you do this more than anybody my Facebook page as well. You might like to go talk. I don't have Tick Tock yet. I'm too old for tonight dances. I've never played for a night in my life. Okay, and I don't dance. So anyway, Paula Paul skis one of our patrons said that after I had my kids so this is the dark side of that after I had my kid. I thought complaining wasn't okay. It really messed me up. Mentally. He got rid of Facebook because he couldn't stand all the fake happy parents like the fake happy all the time parents and that's where it's detrimental to hold it in and act like you love it all the time because you I think you're supposed to love it all the time because it's a negative thing you get the stigma if you're the parent who talk shit. I think this is I think that's really the most that's the most unhealthy thing now social media makes it work it precisely it's not meant obviously it's not the the prime directive is not for that account is not necessarily meant to be like, hey look at me but in some ways it is and right let's kind of fucked up. I just stumbled across and this is like last week. I just stumbled across this account of this couple that I married. No. My first time Mom and Barry you got a chick. That's great. Yeah, some people say she's funnier than me. She had a loaded her. So she there an upper west side couple. I'm not I don't even know what their handle is and it's like the most beautiful couple you've ever seen and they are super young and they have this like the young family which I can only like they're so young all of the fact there's like four kids. Yeah all under eight. I can only imagine the amount of yeah, fuck this and fuck that however, not online. Fine everyone looks fucking beautiful. Everyone's like I love they even did a video a literally a video of them making pancakes and I was like fuck all of this because this is none of this a lot. You know, it's a lot of other there's two things either. I desperately need their kids because it's the best. Well, they are the odds of all time. Yeah, and there they can eat properly and they can sit at or it was a total load of shit and I was pretty much convinced that it was most likely a total of shit. But that's the problem because like you can't look at someone else when you look at someone else in there having a great time you that makes it about yourself shit when you look at someone else who's like man this shit is hard. You're like fuck. Yeah, it's hard. It's the same thing when you see like when are especially this is especially true for women when you see like an airbrushed photo of a celebrity or you think a celebrity you're like, oh this celebrity had two kids and looks great and they look great in this movie. Guess what? They have a fucking personal trainer exact personal chef their entire job is working out so they look good on a 50-foot screen Baba. So I went on that cruise last year that Royal Caribbean. Yeah, we get it my best vacation in my life. Did we get it it was a media crews in there a bunch of social media people on it. I don't know how I got invited. I had I wasn't even verified yet. I'm verified now by the way blue check mark. Yeah don't point at me. Thanks mate. How's your blog do so, oh my god. Wow that hurt. So there are a couple there were a couple of Instagram families. Yep, Instagram women with their families who had over a million followers. Who were they just the most? Holy shit. Didn't listen to this listen to this they sequester themselves from everybody else on the trip, right? They like they always hung up we get back something behind ya. I tell you who they are. I don't know but we'll get some dirt to families that knew each other and we're friendly they live in the same area. They have the same lifestyle their big-time Instagram influencers fashion, all that shit over a million followers. All their photos are fucking picture. Perfect, right they are on this on the cruise there on the excursions that were on there all with us, although they're not interacting. They're only interact with each other. Because the rest of us the fucking hallway polloi, you know, they don't want anything to do with us. Everything is fucking super staged and regimented and their kids have fucking running around like crazy. It's all bullshit at one point. One of the kids has like ice cream cone. It's fucking all over her right and the moms like they make the moms like make them take off the clothes because those clothes are needed for like their photo shoot. It's all bullshit. Right? There kids are just like everybody else's kids, but they have to put up this front of everything being so fucking perfect couldn't imagine anything. You want to know by now that I couldn't imagine anything? No, I first of all I can't imagine a he'll work and having them take any two fake. It's not fun for anybody. So your kids are going to be fucking damage when I go out. I'm like these flying kids are gonna be damaged too, but for like legitimate ways not like bullshit Instagram celebrity ways. Although we'll see if I get and I got close to a million say yeah. We'll see. Yeah, so so there's a little a ballast abhilash 18 says the she thinks that not talking about like the reality is and how much you like the challenges in your struggles with parenting can contribute to postpartum disorder, which is another reason. I think this is important, right? So like we're going to get into the solidarity section. We're finding your tribe and being able to relate to people who make you feel like you're not alone and what you're feeling is normal is big if you don't feel as normal if you feel like you're a fucking shitty mom because you feel like your negative emotions towards you know, I'm exhausted. I don't want to have to change. This kid's diaper. I don't want to have to get up the middle like this. Ox guess what it actually does suck. Right, right. It's amazing to have a kid and you love your kid, but doing that shit and all the grind especially the baby parts of it at the beginning when you're making that first lifestyle LIF lifestyle leap. That shit sucks. I've said it before I'll say it again. I'll say it again, you know, the Geneva Convention says that sleep deprivation is a form of torture. There you go. And for I don't know, what do you want to call it? Three years four years your life. Yeah. You're still collapse with One kid and then you kind of pile that on. I'm just telling you like that this not being able to acknowledge that makes you feel like you're crazy. Alright, so here's what you got you got, you know your wife or your partner who's just given birth their bodies are filled with hormones that are like completely. Yeah all sorts of things. You don't know what's happening. All you know, is that eight months, you know prior to the baby coming you absolutely have to paint the molding a certain color. Yeah. Otherwise this baby's not Reason, did you give me survive the yeah, well, that's what if the trim if it's a wall nose has been fucking bubble in it. The this Baby's this baby's going down. Yeah. So the point is you're dealing with stuff that you know, mom's dealing with stuff and then you're just like you're in it for four years and then it's like, oh you got to have a relationship as well on top of that right guys. This shit is you can acknowledge it admit it right? You don't get to make somebody feel like they're crazy because they can emit parenting is hard. It's literally like the fucking Thing in the world to do so. I got a comment from somebody who wanted to remain anonymous. So she said she didn't want to have kids. She told the friend why she said she was afraid to be a bad mom. She had a couple of tough experiences when she was younger. I think her mom was sick and she had to like take care of teenagers and she was like, I'm scared. I'm gonna be a bad mom and her friend was like look I have those feelings to my kids make me angry. It's totally normal. She's like, I would never have become a mom if my friend hadn't been like a real with me and told me that shit. It was Radical idea to me that other Might yell and be frustrated by their kids. It's a relief to not be alone. Yeah, right and that's one of the reasons I do this not just for me to vent and because I like to write unbelievably hilarious jokes. But yeah, I just can't help but you're also the Mother Teresa of parenting. I'm the Miss Cleo. Don't get it twisted, right? So oh hey, yeah ODOT. Hey dot. Ah, I know. She's like an outcast fan says there's something comforting knowing other people's kids are just as annoying and loony as yours and that drinking as a coping mechanism. Is completely acceptable right? That's another thing I talk about a lot of parents do and a lot of people exaggerate about how much they drink and even I exaggerated a little bit of how much I drink I'm in my early 40s fucking kills me the next day to be hungover and stuff. But you know, I can handle eight nine ten eleven Bourbons, right? Okay. I'm on you know, I don't exaggerate about how much I drink just so again, it's like the solidarity of like, oh this person feels the same way and handles it the same way. I'm not so alone. Jeanne 6 says, I think it's healthy to be realistic. I love Boys, but there are no Angels they bring so much to my life again. I don't feel the need like I understand this. I don't put those disclaimers out. I most of my shit right because I'm like again as long as my parent my my my wife and my kids know I love them. I don't feel the need to constantly fucking defend myself, right? I'm making jokes if you can't realize it's a joke, that's your problem. But she's like I would be a horrible stay-at-home mom, you know, we all Thrive when they are in school and daycare and they're not subjecting me to their constant screaming arguing as smart as comments. Like that's why I wrote my Just a couple of weeks ago. I'm not a good my temperament isn't well suited for being a stay-at-home dad. It doesn't mean I don't love my kids, but then I'm not a good dad. I'm just not as good at some aspects of it. And in order to help myself be better. I fucking trash my kids every goddamn chance. I guess people people, you know, the stay-at-home thing. I think people do it for different reasons, you know not well some in some cases. It's a necessity. Of course, of course, sometimes it's a necessity but other times, you know, I think and I feel for You know, I work in the corporate environment and I feel bad when you know moms make the decision to go back to work after a certain period they feel really you know, Mom both Is Real at the same time there. They they just know in themselves that being at work is actually helps them survive the helps them. So my wife is going through there right now. She just went back to work. Yeah, and it's been tough because you know, my fucking toddler lays it on. I miss you don't go that kind of shit and especially it's summer so there Home and my wife loves summer Mama buried love summer and doing shit with them and then she's at the door and she's like, oh my God, I feel so bad and they immediately start screaming and she's like peace out the fuck. You know, it's tough to go to work, you know work is work, you know, even if it's the best job in the world that still work and then in our Instagram story she was like, but you know, I just left the house and they're all fucking screaming in my husband's face me being the husband, you know, Dan and were you able to say have fun in your happy place and your quote-unquote? Well that you feel great. Do you ever go in there? No, I don't. I don't interact with her as low as possible, which is even the more I stay asleep until she's gone and I get up. Yeah, which was the same thing when I went to work. I handle the kids breakfast and got them up and get them ready for school and let her sleep as long as well. She has Ms. I'm just lazy and deadbeat husband. But you know, I've been the guy who goes to work and comes home and deals with the dregs, but I still like being at work having adult conversations not being home with the kids and having to fill their time all the time. I know what that's like and it's definitely it can be a relief. Yeah, and you know for moms that may be a little bit harder. We're going to get into that who has it harder when it comes to like complaining and you can get away with it better. So so the girl who fell from a star is kind of a new followers you may have been following me for a while, but she started a comment and she's had some pretty pretty incisive stuff insightful stuff and incisive stuff where she said I think a lot of parents have a ton of guilt that they have these normal feelings. So they lash out at those who joke about it to make themselves feel like if I disagree with them, it's like me. Rejecting the idea that that's how I feel right? So she's basically saying she was just trying to do my Instagram post today where people were giving me shit for admitting that parenting is hard or venting about insane complaining is okay and she's like these people are so insecure kind of and they're worried about their own feelings that they're like if I reject the premise right? Maybe it makes me feel like a better parent and I feel I think she's probably right but that's one of the reasons I do my shit is to let people know. This is okay. I don't fucking actually hate my kids newsflash. Yeah, right. It is actually that's actually is a new / it is enough. If you didn't know people I don't actually hate my kid. Did I just hate picking so Kato till the cows come home and have a real problem with the with the Cato thinking kiddo people eat cows. Can they eat meat? I don't know. Yeah, we went through the food group. Yeah, of course. Yeah, definitely so it's mostly me. It's definitely she says honest parents make me feel normal. I think it's essential to find another parent event complain to and that's another thing. You need to find your tribe, right? So like again like we talked about earlier if you're talking shit and the people don't get it that can make you feel even worse which is why I think a lot of parents especially like stay-at-home moms and dads. They've been gravitating to Instagram accounts and the Facebook pages and finding people who they relate to that way. Even if you don't know them in real life, there's the solidarity of I can make this joke about my kid and this person is not going to judge me for okay, so so we talked a little bit about the moms to go to work, but then there's the mom stayed home and when those two moms interact they come at it differently on the we definitely rights on the Weekend the moms to stay at home or like fuck this noise and the moms that have been or just a matter if it's just moms. But yeah, well my wife and I are dealing with this now. Yeah, my point being is that the person who's been staying at home has the guild and the person you know, I'm the same way when I come I expect to be handed three kids already walked in the door. Yeah children and I've just kind of you know, it's taken a while, but I've gotten used to that. Yeah and same with the weekend. So the point being is I'm at work all day coma night dealing with the kids on the weekend. There's basically There's no hope right? Like I've just I said, goodbye to that of not guess like scour watch porn alcohol. I found alcohol in it was a wonderful deadens the sense exactly. But the point I was going to try and make is that you know, when and I've seen this is when my wife who stays at home and is with the kids all day and she's with you know, when she has conversations with, you know felt her mom friends that are at work, you know, they're very doting and they're like, yeah and they like really are trying to make up for it. Whereas my mom. He's just like I've got my felt got it is this yeah. It's kind of like I don't really know. I don't really want to do that or I don't really want to go there. I don't read so I'm at home now and my wife has a little bit of the guilt of being at work. So like when she's home with them, she was like maximize their time and shit and I'm just kind of like done with him. Yeah maximum over it maximizes away. Yeah, you take the kids know that they don't always involves me. So Beth cat flan 7 says that she's European. So complaining it's just part of her their her life and another chance to bond. So I thought maybe you could relate to that a little bit we should Should move to Europe I'm starting to think that I might be your so a book where 8 says that parenting is hard and sharing it makes a little easier which is really what it all comes down to right stress relief solidarity finding your tribe, right? So another aspect of this is the unrealistic expectations, right? So, Like we were talking about with those Instagram accounts or that Facebook account that you follow the Upper West Side people is that Instagram? Yes, but it was Instagram they make it seem like this is how life is supposed to be and you're somehow failing if that's not the case, right? Everyone's beautiful which is why honesty is so important, right? So Ali Frazier who 921 we mentioned earlier so she wants honesty all the way because she wants to know what to expect. She doesn't want to be surprised. Right and I agree with that too. Right? So if you're about to have a kid and somebody's like, oh, it's the most amazing thing in the world is going to change your life for the better like I understand that but give me the details. Give me the nitty-gritty. Yeah, right. So the girl who fell from a star we mentioned earlier as well said every time a parent is honest about their struggles or anything about parenting it allows other parents to not put so much pressure on themselves to live up to this fake idea of what a good parent is if we all walk around saying our kids don't watch TV or eat Happy Meal sometimes or we never get angry or stressed because they're such Angels then we all feel like we're failing a lot more than we actually are exact right? So I don't understand sugarcoating doesn't do anybody any good your Lying to yourself you're lying to other people. Are you trying to trick people into having kids so that they can like be as miserable as you well. What's interesting is so I was just thinking about this the other day is you know, divorce rates are actually slowing down there stopping. So if you when we were growing up divorced but aren't procreation rates slowing down to yeah, it's all related. I believe because the point, you know, the point is if you know 70s 80s 90s, you know, everyone is trying to put on this Happy face. Happy face of like everything's fine. When I think you said a story when you were in your friend's basement or something in the mom came home and I was like fuck, you know, it was like yeah. Yeah. Yeah the shit out of you but the point is is that's probably because that was the only way and time and place that that he had to let him loose. Yeah because she didn't have a block like a renowned blog that was verified on Instagram. Yeah, or or even just like yeah look at like a spray paint Hobby where she could tag, or she may have I don't know. Her street tag when a bad but I think that that's really something that's kind of coming to the with the Advent of social media being able to talk and be a little bit more of those those folks that are more real and more open. I feel like I have a better shot at being able it's funny because there are still a ton of those fake accounts like the people that putting on a show that do really really well and I don't understand who gravitates towards them. Well, well, yeah, I think you don't have to get exactly what I want. I totally do believe though. That that you definitely need the antithesis of what were you know, this is the positivity but I don't because that's why I keep it light-hearted. I'm not just about shitting on my kids. Right? Like I love my kids. They're very cute. And the youngest one is very cute. The other one, I think it's a little bit past his sell-by. Yeah, let's be honest, but I think but I think if you do it, right the love you have your kids shines through and the way I always say about it is The the Peaks are really really high like the good parts are unbelievably good. They're just rare, right but they make the shitty Parts which are it's just a consistent drumbeat. Right? Let's say make it worth it kind of and I don't like to say that it's worth it because everybody gets it I would say they make it less shitty. I think the the the most important mean look it just erases the badge that you felt for the last three days like one good hug from your toddler or one like cute bonding. You're like, all right. This is why I do this. It releases the endorphins and the other shit melts away and then it lets you you can you're like regenerated rejuvenate it for the next exactly. There's a base feeling of being complete or like, you know, feeling you know, at least very satisfied with your decision, right and then all of a sudden I did the right thing and then all of a sudden it's like no honestly, I didn't that you're hugging too tight. Yeah, exactly like gonna come on bedtime. Yeah, you're on my nads. Yeah. So another interesting aspect of this. Is Cafe and seven says she likes realness and facts. I want to know about your kids shooting on the rug and what carpet cleaner actually fucking works for that. Right? Right. Like I don't want to hear. Oh my kid never sits on the rug know if your kitchen of the rug fucking tell me the truth and tell me I'm not going to be like turned off. I want to hear about your miscarriage your postpartum anxiety and how you manage right pretending. You don't have those feelings doesn't do anybody any good keeping everybody in the dark isolates yourself and when you were to share this stuff, it removes the stigma. Guess what fucking everybody I know has some fucking form. Anxiety or depression or whatever it's called living in 2019. Yeah in America like James Brown Living in a man you ever see Russell foreign cycle letting Rocky for yeah, come on, dude. I've seen all the Rockies but I don't remember any of them. They all seem the same. Oh my God, you're a while God Polly Polly dies in one of them. I don't know. He was my favorite character. Paulie's around until fucking Rocky Balboa. I think even you know what? I know. I just said that because I wanted to see Burt Young is a National Treasure. All right. So this is the funny part. So I asked people to list the most annoying lies other parents tell them stuff that maybe they realized relies after the fact right? So read teach shoot who I was nervous might be like a gun enthusiast is actually a photographer says anybody who says parenting is always a fun filled day of love and wonder is clearly on And I want some of it right so she's like obviously once you have kids you realize this is all bullshit, which is where we're coming from. Like we know it's bullshit. Like you said about that couple. We know you're fucking Faking It California Arkansas says that she hates when people say sleep when the baby sleeps. Oh fuck off a not only is that usually impractical you need to get some shit done. Exactly. You also want some time alone. And that's your only chance when the baby's asleep you maybe you want to watch fucking you know, what it's like episode of dark. It's like Putting on the oxygen mask on yourself before your kids, right you need to you need self-care in order to care for them. But what they don't tell you is how long you have to wait in between putting on your own mask. They don't even wait as long as you can really last possible second. Like it's gas really stretch it out and then you end it with and that's why you don't leave the air conditioning on exactly. That's what you always leave a note. So M McCoy says she hates people say cherish every moment. No, guess what? I'm not going to fucking cherish them on more. Could shit on the rug right the other day, we're still teaching the hammer to potty train. So he's wearing like underwear around the house. You just fucking pissed all over the floor. Guess what this isn't going in the fucking scrapbook Right cleaning up his piss off the floor is in a moment for me to cherish. Yeah. Maybe I'll look back and be like, oh, he was really cute as a toddler. That's not the same thing Allison H dot Ryan says, why do parents pretend they know what they're doing all the time. I've never done that that was the third aspect of my blog. I was always like well, let me do not an expert will hold on a second to my kids I man. Expert on phone. Uh, yeah, but she's talking about parents to other parents. Oh, nobody knows that they doing you're not even gonna know for fucking 30 years if what you did worked who would weird in? Yeah exactly. My parents still don't know I just posted a comment ice cream on my parents are still like he's 42. Let's see how this turns out. Actually I I've had that realization about my parents where I'm like wait, I don't think they know. Yeah, they like I actually think they're like making beer know what it does show even to this day. Yeah to this day. So here's a popular one. Oh, hey. We met early says she hates being told each age is better than one than the one before. She's like. My kids have been batshit crazy. She said BSC which I assume meant batshit crazy at every age so far. She prefers honesty. Just tell it like it is in my experience every age gets worse. It's not so much that it gets worse. Is that the challenges change right? So when you have a baby and we get into this a little bit like a lot of people are angry when somebody says the baby part is the hardest some people are angry when they say the baby part is the easiest right? It's different for everybody shifting to suddenly not from not having kids to having a She is a major lifestyle change being sleep-deprived all that shit. But in my opinion it's not until they have minds of their own. She's minds of their own and personalities and started out that it really gets hard because you're suddenly dealing with a person and it's harder to get them and do what you want when you're just carrying around a baby. It's inconvenient and stressful for a variety of ways, but you don't have to worry so much about like them drinking too much and like drive and I'm not even at that stage yet. It's just gonna get worse favorite phase of like the new parent we've talked about this. That like to to month phase where you like we got this. Yeah, we just forget it out. Ya ever. How hard could this possibly be? Every time you think you have a handle on it? This shit the phase shift. So Danio Beach says that when her kid was a baby she barely slept at a hard time breastfeeding was having crazy sweating was even having hallucinations that our son was dead. She was super emotional just the whole child birthing fucked her up, right? She said all her family and friends were like, oh it's so great in the beginning. All they do is sleep fuck, you know, like no one wants to hear that. Right. It's not the same for everybody. Don't lie. All they do is sleep the it's not the case well from and she says lies and pizza pies. I've never heard that you ever heard that phrase before maybe it was weird. Maybe there is something lies and pizza pies. But the only the only thing that I would say is is when you do have a newborn that's the time to go out. Yeah, you know, what a restaurant we live in Park Slope bring a baby of the baby's gonna sleep. Yes, because when they were a toddler and they want to run around and you can't hold on that stuff so mrs. Shaw says she hate it when she's told this too shall pass. My dad says that to me sometimes I actually find that to be fairly valuable. If sometimes you you're stuck in the middle of something and you're like at least it's going to end some day, but when you're in it, you're like fuck you right? I'm dealing with this shit. Don't tell me that Amy Lange glaze. I don't know says she hates the lies about genders girls are easier than boys. She was scared. You were black. So I don't want to do we're going to do it. I don't I can't speak to girls. I don't have girls are not going to speak out of turn. But I've heard that myself that like When girls are little they're easier than boys blah blah blah and then there's a lot of dads who are nervous about girls being teenagers. You know, what fuck you Dad? Absolutely. Yeah, that's inaccurate exact and what it comes down to is personality type. So is one of my pet peeves so n n BEC 20 says no one told me how little sleep I would get forever. The thing that annoyed me is that people always say like catch up on sleep or Bank your sleep before you have your kid don't like Bank. You don't tell me that it's impossible to do you don't that's not hiking 24 hours of sleep yesterday is not going to affect me tomorrow. Right know what you take what you should tell them to do is hey, you're not going to get any sleep and you're going to have to fucking keep a kid alive and function on little sleep. So try that like get used to that. That's what you should be doing practicing living your life on as little sleep as possible so you can get used to that because you're not banking sleep. It's not real. Yeah, I can't do that. Now we'll also at the same time. Don't forget that you've you're with someone who's now carried a baby for nine months. It's already started everything Dad. Yeah that purse beginning the beginning. Yeah happen, and it's already you're just Getting a little preview, but you just don't know exactly how it's all going to turn. So Christina and Valentine says anyone who says they have it easy as tons of family helped the Lucky Bastards. We went over this couple of weeks ago. Absolutely, right? Yes, here here. It does make it a lot easier the the free Family help. So BR Sheehan BR Sheehan says the biggest lie that he or she hates his I fell in love with my child the moment. I laid eyes on him or her eye. This is this is so important it is so important. II blobs yeah, I had almost no connection to I think it's different for dads. I wrote a blog post about this one's about how like it's okay to hate your baby was the provocative title of it being like moms have like, of course nine months biological. It's on real exact. There's a little fall down An Elevator Shaft. Yeah, there's literal hormones that are released in both. You have the same body. Yeah, and then when the when the baby latches on it becomes like a symbiotic relationship it yeah, it's amazing. It's for us. It's like we don't have a A baby then suddenly we fucking do yeah exactly. You can read all the books. You want the reality hits you like a fucking slap in the face. I remember being I don't have a problem with I like in the kid that much no personality for months, but my eldest daughter was first built literally in the hospital first born. I remember holding her and asked him if you want a sandwich or you hungry or she cannot because I actually would I'm gonna get ahead out. I'm gonna go just quick to run and get a sub real quick. Did you guys how are you gonna get meatball just a little meatball sub and just maybe I'll eat it over the my wife offered like we were going to order some food today. Where I left and she was like you want a meatball sub and like it's fucking 95°. I don't want a meatball sub right now. I'll take the matzo soup is what you said. I've had much as hope you like it. Yeah, it's great. Okay Sarge was one of those people that says she hates it when it makes like sound like babies with the hardest thing ever is like no it gets worse with age. So I wanted to give sergeant of the shout out because we don't talk about him enough except constantly 13 Lego 1311 says it gets better fuck. No, it just changes in your ability to deal with the changes to which is totally true Everything changes every time you think you got it. Handle on it it changes or something new to deal with it. Just your life though, right? That's what makes it easier. She says so your ability to deal with the changes to once you have a kid. Like I remember being really worried about what its gonna be. Like when I have a kid once you have a kid you just deal with it. You have no choice you learn how to cope right? It's just your life. Yeah, totally. I mean, I think the what it comes down to is, you know, the difference between the dads and the moms and kind of who has it better who are not who has a better but rather like you can get away with bitching. A little bit more easily. Yeah, so I got a bunch of comments like that where a bunch of people were like So somebody I posted the stay-at-home dad thing and somebody responded with it was an MVP comment. She said Mommy Instagram is like my kids are terrorists and I wish I could sell them into slavery and everyone's like aah ha that's hilarious. And then she said when I said stayed on parenting is hard enough being vulnerable about everyone was like go died. You asshole. That's right. So a lot of people were saying like it's harder for moms in my experience. I get a lot of flack for being honest and real and talking shit, but I get a lot of that flak on Mom Pages sometimes I A core from moms because I think they don't have it as easily as I do right. They can't bitches easily because you're supposed to have that bond that profound bond with your baby from day one if you're a mom and if you do talk shit, so Buttercup, Marina says, I think it's harder for moms because Society expects us to be submissive and totally devoted to our kids. We're supposed to take care of them and not complain. She even said that some people said to her that she complain too much about having kids for somebody who was like cause she cried and begged to be pregnant. Aunt and then when she had the kid, she was complaining people like what the fuck you can play for. That's bullshit. Yeah, right. You don't know what you're you know one knows really what they're getting into until you actually have the kid. It's like in Pulp Fiction. John Travolta says to Uma Thurman, you gotta promise. I'm gonna tell you something you gotta promise not to be offended. She's like no. She's like, I can't promise not to be offended. I don't know what you're gonna say. So you might say something to me and by no fault of my own. I'm offended. That's my natural reaction, right? You can't get mad at me for being offended right? So when somebody has a kid you can be like Oh, I'm gonna be the best mom. Going to be so easy. And then you have the kidney realize oh shit. I was wrong. This is different than I thought you can't come down on somebody for that man. You are a sous there. You just weave I am Pulp Fiction right into that stone. You know, it's Tarantino time. I haven't seen that new one yet. I hope to see it this weekend. So cheesy favor says that it's more pressure for moms or sugar-coated. It's more socially acceptable for dads to complain which is again where I say, I get a lot of shit for complaining maybe not as much as Mom would get there is a lot of Parental judgment just in general for everybody Sarge brings that up is that it's hard to be honest. The Judgment of others. I have sort of a thick skin. I do it in character a little bit even though you're saying in the live before that the very thin character, they're very small but I like I like fucking with the trolls the people don't get it doesn't bother me for the most part when somebody judges me for my parenting. I know I'm doing a good job as again, as long as my wife and kids are into it. Everybody has a hard time dealing with the Judgment of other parents, especially because of social media. It's just everywhere. You can just compare yourself to everybody come down anybody if you don't have your fucking car seat buckled in right? God forbid you fucking make a joke about wanting to sell your kids into slavery or not liking them. Yeah, I mean and every once in a while you'll see, you know, some like an infant in someone's lap as a driving down the highway and you be like now that's a fucking bad parent. Yeah. There are some clear cases of bad parent and many like a baby smoking a cigarette then you shake your head and disapproving you go. I can't believe that fucking person even was allowed to have a baby. So Lauren on his Grove can't like a and then you turn around for a second. Yeah. Shut the fuck. Everything in this car Lauren underscore whole Camp says she's a licensed newborn care specialist. So she thought she knew everything and then she laughed when she had her kids. He was like guess what? I didn't know shit. Yeah, like Uma Thurman Pulp Fiction's out through no fault of her own. Well, she couldn't be different is like reading like the book about how to tango and then actually tangoing and like learning, please tell me you've read a book about how to I have not what's it called? It takes two to tango. It's just an analogy. I use all the time the Tango analogy. I'm reading a book about tank. Yeah that my family. Of they love when I use that analogy. I bet they do. I didn't like it at all. Well, that's good thing that you're not my family yet. So I'm just going to let it sit out there that I said yet. Alright. Well look, obviously, I think I've again lost a good ten pounds. It's okay. Yeah because of the sweat not because the venting got it that would be nice though. If venting relieve stress and also, I believe it does I call this the weight I Feel about 10% better divesting the burden makes you feel better. Yeah, I feel about 10% better. After point is I love venting. It's a stress reliever for me. I think it's a stress reliever for a lot of these people. I think has a lot of benefits. I don't think sugar coating. Does anybody any favors in any way? Nope, if you want to do more venting come over to my Instagram or go to comment on YouTube. We'd love to hear we let me some comments on this. Yeah the YouTube on this episode give us some reviews you can vent about the podcast you can tell us that we blew it. Yep. We totally missed the give us five stars and then say that we blew it. Just DM Mike. I did want to ask Nate really quick does venting about parenting hearing all this shit. You don't have kids. Is it turn you off? Does it scare you about having kids? No. I think it was 10 years ago in my life. Maybe when you were like 20, but how you like when you're 20, you don't know what you're going to be like at 30 or even at 40 sure but that's fucking true. You don't know shit compared to us, right? We're ten years older than this guy. This this bit this bit is good because it obviously doesn't have a microphone. So it's probably almost impossible for most people who maybe if it's fucking somebody would go to patreon where he getting at a microphone. That would be amazing. So if you want to hear more from Pete go to patreon, but if you just want to vent vent about us hit us up in the comments and the reviews on iTunes and Spotify and YouTube spread the word. We were I think we're going to take a seven or eight month Hiatus until it's December. So because I'm literally dying for the third week in a row the hottest it can it is a joke will be back next week. We don't know the topic yet. So if you have topic suggestions Facebook group or hit me up. I got a million different ways. Let's say yes, this this podcast is about you not about I swear just the the Miss Cleo of the soothsayers. That's right. Thanks for joining. Thanks for listening. We hope we made the whole parenting thing a little bit easier for you. Sorry again about how much I'm sweating. I mean you can literally hear it. I think through the microphone. Yeah. It's on my nose. Okay. We'll catch you next week guess.

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Welcome to the power cost which Holly Johnson I'm one of the world's leading Fitness and transformation coaches only provide you with the tools to build your ultimate body and mind. It's absolute pleasure today to have the legend himself. Dr. Andy Galpin on the podcast someone who's killing hugely knowledgeable and I take a huge amount of education and interested in the information or content. You put out two things to The Cutting Edge of everything as a out there at the moment. And so if you give us a brief intro about yourself and him and where you're from what you do your background sure. Well, I am a full-time scientist. I am a professor and I run these Center for sport performance at Cal State Fullerton. So in Southern California Leo my day job is really to to run the center and what that means is we have seven different Laboratories in the whole goal overarching those Laboratories. To study and disseminate research that enhance and support performance. So that's it in one aspect. I also teach of course in graduate classes in the area of program design Sports Nutrition like kind of anything in that realm and then I work on the side with professional athletes. So typically major league baseball players and a lot of combat sport athletes. So on everything every aspect of human performance could be the strength conditioning could be the nutrition could be Be larger practices performance optimization if you will could be really anything that enhances the performance. So that's the quick overview of kind of what I do in terms of you briefly mentioned there about if you deal with it white range of athletes, do you find there's a lot of challenges say, for example, if completely different structures of you have some athletes if there are American football players who are like 350 pounds versus than a 200-pound like long-distance Runner 180-pound long-distance Runner. I presume that Throws different challenges to you. Yeah, I mean honestly the biggest challenge is What I typically say is there's bigger person to person differences than there are categories. Okay. And so if I have to UFC fighters, they may be more different from each other than the one UFC fighter is from my major league baseball player. And so baseball player the hundred or two hundred thirty pound baseball player may be actually pretty similar to the hundred and fifty pound female fighter. Yeah, but they may be way different than 220 pounds boxer if you will. So those are the bills are bigger. Bounces this person a person with the exception of the glaring towns is like baseball is different because the ability to say put them on a very specific diet is almost impossible because they're traveling to a different state every three days so we can just be like well meal prep I could say doesn't work. It's not possible. But on the other end of the token, they have millions of dollars at their exposed at their disposal where they may be different from Olympic wrestler who like it's not going anywhere anytime soon, but the challenges are quite different. So those are pretty dramatic weightlifters or even like MMA fighters boxers. They don't know when they're going to compete again. There is no traditional in season off season baseball player. I know right now when he'll have to report to Spring training seven years from now the schedules already out like I know exactly what he's going to be doing. So those are major categorical challenges, but in terms of the nitty-gritty the soft part of what we do those are bigger between the In the other category, what's your opinion of interest on a Suburban investigate using with clients is genetic testing and epigenetics and looking in to try and work out what people's genetics aren't optimized training around that is that something you think there's Merit in and no no, no not at all with some very very few exceptions number. I was just actually teaching a clinic this weekend in Chicago and this is a topic that I covered but so it is more nuanced and I'm about to say but because we don't have two days to get into it. I'll give you the shorter version now. Yeah. No, I think there's a future there of course things will get better but there's a couple of genetic markers that are fairly well known. I don't necessarily think we're at the place that where we need those genetic test to understand what those things would tell us, for example, some of them were verified things to look at. Are like are you a fast or slow metabolizer of caffeine, but we don't need a genetic test to tell that the key. You're automatically going to know that it's very easy to figure out with one dose. Do you processor digest lactate? Well likely. Okay again, if you're lactose intolerant, you know, so we don't need to really get into these things. So I don't worry about them too much the from a performance perspective now for some health markers if you want to know whether or not to be likely carrier cystic fibrosis because you're thinking about having children. Okay, then genetic testing can be very helpful. But from like a determining which type of tro and training program nutrition you're on again this there are a few of them like, okay. Do you process saturated fat? Well that are okay but for the most part it's not that I don't find any value in them at all. It's just every time I'm making a decision with any app that doesn't matter of money or isn't equation resources are at some point limited so their decision-making time their their mental acuity to deal with things how many things I have to worry about. And so I'm very very specific and cautious with what I'll throw at them and I'm always running a cost-benefit analysis. And for right now the cost of one more thing they have to pay for one more thing. They have to think about one more. Oh, yeah. What did that say? What does that mean? I just don't find any information relative to the other changes. I can make that have a much bigger impact you combine that with the very questionable accuracy and veracity of those things. I'm typically is not a big part of my practice. Do you think he's better off listening to your body's own biofeedback anywhere that you refer to as this if you're lactose intolerant, you know about it. It's is is that with a lot of things the other part of it is to Gen X don't tell us what you are. So it tells you say example you have this particular polymorphism, but how biology works is Gene has to be expressed into an actual protein. So just because you have the gene for something doesn't mean you're actually expressing. It doesn't actually mean is there could be up could be down and so there's not a direct like all you have this chain. Therefore you have this with the exception of if you are missing a gene then we know you're going to be missing a protein. Okay great. But other than that again, it doesn't tell us the actual State and so Would come the equation would be like if you want to understand kind of traffic in a city. It's like yeah, you can look at where all the streets are, but you don't actually know where the cars are or aren't so how much help is it? Really giving you like? Well, I mean you're gonna be able to tell okay. That's the big city versus a little city. But it's not really telling you the current state of anything. He was the General statistics. Well, yeah, I mean it's not telling what's actually happening. It's telling you what's possible. Yeah, but you don't know what you're actually doing so don't find much futility in it was just some of these been spouse around recently something that's I think what people love new man people love like what's the new thing what we cook we do like can we get an advantage? And I don't mean that as like taking a shot of people because people do want to make sure they're giving the best Services possible. People that are paying them. So it is not necessarily a bad trait from the back inside like when your chart and somebody money you do want to be making sure you're giving them the best possible chance for success and that they're getting that value and so I don't blame people for so because that I think it is good that we keep our ear and our eyes on the future what's going on. We should try things we should experiment with things and I love it when I hear people say, yeah. I tried this great like I want to know in a year like come back and tell me you're okay. You've done this if I want people are you finding success like if you Our I'm not gonna be like all you're an idiot. I'll be like, oh that's interesting. And then more people here say that like that that is powerful information. So I don't want to dissuade you from doing these things. I just for me, it doesn't land on my cost-benefit analysis personally, but I'm glad other people are trying things and that's only way to move forward. Right? We don't we don't move forward with collecting information so base with I think sometimes is hopefully as clinical research, but it is anecdotal evidence. Sometimes I think sometimes thumbs can be a placebo effect. Like you said were climbing this training. This builds your genetic profile and we'll make some superhuman because they believe consciously that's what's happening. They probably put more into training and they get better results. Even if it would complete BS but they will now commence our questions without questions studies. No doubt and then this is why the the wall say the plural of anecdote is not data. Yeah, you know, it's like there's a difference. Yeah, I agree. I agree entirely so it's called get your opinion on that and moving over obviously from genetics epigenetics. Essex what's your opinion on like the post-workout window after training with athletes that whole anabolic window Bro Science has talked about. Yeah actual thoughts on that but support it's kind of funny because it's round a bit of a pendulum where I was like, we first found out about it. We were all super excited like great. This is only takes all the training. All right, and then it was kind of like Well turns out that's not exactly how it works. And but then I think we swung too far the other end, which means okay literally doesn't matter. That's not true. So if we unpack this a little bit, here's what we currently know in the best state of evidence if muscle hypertrophy or optimizing maximizing muscle, hypertrophy is the primary goal. It doesn't necessarily matter when you get your protein throughout the day as long as the total amount of protein and it's sort of a 24-hour window is equated and probably in addition to that timing of that protein does matter. So for example, what is probably quite clear at this point is if you 200 grams of protein in one serving a day that will not work as well as 200 grams spread across multiple meals. Then how can you come back and say timing didn't matter? It clearly does matter you have to have it within Thirty One Minute supposed to work out or 61. No, but that doesn't mean timing is irrelevant. Those are two very different things people have to take pay attention to what words mean. This is going to get so far into pedant X, but it's an important because it shows the message one of the things I always talk about is the phrase. I don't like Right. So if I asked you right now do you like American football? You may say I'll do you tell me do you like American football most likely? Okay, so you don't like American football, right? Well that's different than disliking football. Right? So if you don't like it just wait you're telling the absence of like that isn't saying the presence of dislike. Those are different things. Right? So if you're like, I dislike it makes me upset. I don't like it negative reaction that's dislike is different than just not liking. If you're like, well, what do you think about what do you think about these types of red pens you like? I don't like them like that just means like I don't like them. I don't dislike them. I don't really care like this is not something that's there. So the same thing can come back to this routine question is like well just because this because you don't have to have it 30 minutes doesn't mean timing doesn't matter. It does matter this doesn't have to be probably in that exact window and if we expand this conversation further and it's like well if we're what about If we're talking about an athlete who is working out and eating at 11 a.m. Or working at 11 a.m. And haven't eaten yet. How's that window change if they're working out for p.m. After five meals has it changed for nothing is working out of 5 a.m. And it doesn't eat until noon. These are all different answers now that the importance of getting that protein in changes now. In fact, I could tell you a little bit about a but I'll finish this point we can come back to this if you want. And then we're going to study right now in intermittent fasting and muscle hypertrophy and well trained people to try to get at some of these things. And in this case the intermittent fasting folks are training in the fasted State and they remain fasted post-training where the FED group is clearly on. So we're going to see more detail about what this happens but to come back to original point. We come back to study if you want. This is still only the conversation of protein for muscle hypertrophy. Like we haven't you started talking about what about carbohydrate timing that timing matters a lot. What about for an athlete? What about for somebody who's trying to lose weight like all this so it depending on the goal. The umbrella of importance are on importance of the post exercise eating window changes. And so it's not that like, yeah. I'm glad that we're not telling her when you absolutely have to have protein immediately after exercise, but I'm also not happy. We're telling everyone literally the timing of food doesn't matter. This is this is totally untrue, especially with the athletes. I work with who are almost always training twice per day. If not, three times per day that timing matters a tremendous amount because the counter will people will say is well like timing only matters if you're going to train like two or three days in a row, but no one does that what well like probably not bodybuilders sure because like you train your quad and you give it a couple days off and again, but any performance athlete almost surely trans the same also multiple days in a row, so it's unfortunate that too many people that are speaking about Information that space are coming out with the assumption that all of us are only trying to maximize aperture and we're only talking about protein. So it's just that part of the conversation that they leave out when they're talking about all it doesn't matter. Yeah, it does matter matters a lot. Do you think people worry about the minutiae two months is in like they example that they to take them to too much to extremes. It's not like you have to have nutrition post-workout. Therefore has to be straight away immediately or not. It's not there's no like just eat when you're ready to eat and listen to your body in terms of when you feel hungry then eat. Yeah. No, I don't think we want to do that. I think we have to be careful about just like the listen to our body approach any sport psychologist will tell you listening to your brain is a terrible idea. Right? Like you need to talk to your brain. I'll listen to it. I'd say the same thing about your body for a whole host of reasons because there are other factors like ads like social media that drive what you want to do so drives how you feel. Same thing post-exercise. You don't necessarily want to always just listen to your body you want To certainly pay attention to what's happening. But that's if we only respond with how we feel would probably sit around sleep and eat pizza all day. All right, not not the best strategy ever. I don't think that we are getting to Nuance with it. I actually think that it's a bit of the opposite where yes extremism is there and extremism is actually important. So the only time we get extreme results is going to get extreme beliefs. So people that didn't mean the French my my belief in That the problem is people don't take that level of nuance and think about it within their personal context. I think that is the whole problem. So if you see a new study and the title is like protein timing post-exercise did not hands growth. Whatever. Okay, I'm just making that I love you should be like old grade therefore posters like Windows a myth. No, you should say like for protein for this. How do they look at a 65 year old untrained women cool, like doesn't mean it doesn't matter or it's bad science. This is like, okay like I wonder if that's also true. In through 34 year old business Executives who are working out in the afternoon. Hmm interesting like and you add that layer but nothing is like a therefore we're done here. I'm you have to think about it within your personal context. And if you have the ability to think about the mechanism not the like molecular mechanism because it's probably outside of most your scope but just think about like, huh, I mean doesn't take a degree in physiology to think. Okay. So it didn't matter when I ate my protein and they look and you look at the study design is like well, we had a bunch of untrained. And college age kids and they came in fasted. They weren't eating. Okay, like the whoa, if that's probably been different if they came in after eating 60 grams of protein hmm interests like and that's the part that we're missing is because we want new headlines. We want new people want to gain attention on the internet right on Instagram on Twitter. Well, yeah, like they want to be able to be like either like basically everyone wants to be able to have a headline that's going to be like, well what everyone wants to be like, what's the new thing? What's the Place wrong. What's the myth? Right? This is like science doesn't work like that. It's very very rare for us to have one thing come out and be like, whoa, this is different. But that's what people want because I know it's going to grab more like some more followers make more money to people which drives well, yeah for sure whether it's right or wrong, right? Hopefully I've taught sort of their and anyway, what's your thoughts in terms of vegan diet from an athletic and a health point of view so depends on the context a bunch of different. Yeah totally depends on where they're coming from. Are you 30? You've been a professional athlete for nine years that's different than are you trying to build someone into a professional athlete. There's also considerations and context of is this part of your personal ethics or philosophy your approach to the world. Those are separate conversations. So I will leave the I will acknowledge those but I will leave those decided for the moment, right? So for if you don't believe in killing animals for food, and that's just not something you really to move on philosophically. Fine, like I'm not going to waste time trying to convince even though it's probably irrational considering you're not really understanding what actually happens to animals when you make more plant food. I think you're think you're just only thinking about like the big large fuzzy ones not thinking about all the rest of them, but nonetheless that point of side. I mean, I think I don't understand how you could look at the collective understanding of the science as we know it now objectively and find any rationale for thinking that a vegan or vegetarian is superior. That this is a it's it's being there's no good. Faith. That is not a good faith argument. It's there's no way you could fairly look at those data or any data really in any realm of it and think this is clearly a better idea. It doesn't make TV logical sense. It doesn't make evolutionary biological sense. It doesn't make current sense. It doesn't make physiological sense. It doesn't match up with the data. So it just fails on every single possible level of evidence. To think that it is superior. Can someone do it yet can do it is different than should you can Dude sure like those are all different and throwing out one or two people as evidence. It means nothing we talked about the beginning of the conversation like yeah, well anecdotes not data. And so what we're doing with science is trying to identify not what's true science is not really able to give us truth. What it does is reduce. Certainty, and so what we can say is it's most likely most people are not going to have a better performance response if they were to switch from omnivore to or before now does that mean no one knows what that means is again, most likely most people won't and that's what science can tell us. So I have worked with vegan athletes before and it not enough though to have a wide. Like I've worked with a thousand five thousand ones. I have worked with though. It's been a struggle. But that that could be because it's not a great choice or it could be because at the same time those athletes had other things that made their compliance difficult. So you have to work out a lot harder though for performance plan is simple. What do you say the main chance you have with them and try to find a decent quality protein Source? Well that to mean that's the obvious one. But there's a lot more that people don't realize because protein is not not all proteins are created equal depends on of course what the goal is is an endurance athlete is somebody trying to physique competitor is just a baseball player with a energetics are very little is that a again professional fighter fighting 25 minutes, the energetic demands are quite different and so What would the the problems limitations of a all plant diet is different for all those folks right? But not all proteins created equals to 200 grams of broccoli protein is not the same as 200 grams of ground sirloin. And so you can't just run the numbers for macros, if your conversation with vegan, but and omnivore herbivore diets ends and stops with macros. You're just really unqualified to have that conversation. You have to think about other things like B12 Omega-3s. The one that people forget all the time as creatine. Like where's your creating gonna come from? We know particularly for an athlete how critically important that is for performance. We also understand how important it is for cognitive function for decline of mental acuity. Like where is this happening? Where is this getting it from the whole host of other things in that wood line in the micronutrients side that are that are again possible from a planet. Science but you can have to be really specific and careful when they come from so the protein is sort of like the obvious game you want but it's all the other ones that are in my opinion the real concern the marker teachers all of the microbes. Yeah, that can be real hard again because the bioavailability and some of them is enhance and plans and some of them has its reduced so vitamin A like things like this, right? You're probably going to get more vitamin C from plant anywhere from a piece of meat. That's pretty clear. Right? But B12 can be the opposite creating can be opposite and so I'm not advocating either of these reproaches for most people it's probably going to be a well balanced approach is going to be most likely to be most successful and that's pretty clear. Obviously you mentioned in regards to creating their from red meat. Is that something you would look to use with a lot of athletes in multiple times day, like red meat meals. Is there more of this year? I was courts not even that I mean just hanging out like period Any human really? I'm not a I'm not certainly trying to say that all of us should be eating multiple times a day of red meat, but it's not also something we need to go out of our way to avoid health-wise the the old adage of like our red meat being worse for us than white fish or something as we've passed that conversation 20 years ago. So I don't go out of my way to to Advocate. I'm not like Stan everything was like, okay red flag red meat Right. I love him Stan. He's great. He's really smart guy and he's really nice guy, but I'm not the obviously there was like, okay one serving a week read me like that's crazy. So I don't care that much about it with the athletes. I work with I also have to deal with sustainability and they're not going to want to live for the most part on a diet. That is the same thing every day. It's going to be really difficult. I guess some people can do it, but I don't I think there are Long medium to long-term consequences with that and it's not something I find like we need to do and so in my opinion we have to understand how logic Works which is you have the status quo right in order for me to move from the status quo. We need to have evidence to suggest that something is better not the same or you can do this and get back to the normal. Why would I could change that is more difficult as it is more restrictive more limiting if all it can do is get us back to the same box pot at best case scenario. That doesn't make any sense. The athletes going to be like why We doing this like I don't like eating and all these other problems. What are we missing? What are we forgetting? So I don't have that Approach at all unless I was in a situation where I thought like this would be actually measurably better than what we're currently doing. Then I would do it. So this again he doesn't talk about the like extremes and maybe funny more of a middle ground of peoples and yeah, probably the more I became disabled more of a balanced approach overall. It's more for most people and at the same time I do acknowledge. There are lots of people who those Extreme practices are actually the best ever happen any that person laughs that's I work with but I do believe people in the say that I do believe Stan when he says that I do believe individuals and they say they did this and they got better. I'm a hundred percent believe that just that's not the norm like there's a difference between that and the norm and typically what we're after is the bell curve, right? What's going to be most likely work in the middle 70% because that's easier to make recommendations as opposed to giving out recommendations that are really only best for 3% of people. Opal and then 97% of us are screwed this from how to get approach. So there's always been a loyal with everything to and what the reason hundred percent from that point. What's to all opinion on the difference mating from fat loss for fat loss or versus performance is really think you would look at specifically in terms of your clients or like athletes. Well, that's actually interesting. I just covered this exact slide two nights ago in my Nutrition class it's on. Yeah, so a couple of things what's interesting about it is some of the answers I work with are purely in that like maximize physical performance. Thanks, but actually most of the islands I work with fat loss is a huge component because the weight making wait, so if you're in any combat sport you have weight classes the power lifters have weight classes, the weightlifters have weight classes and so I would say fat loss is probably something I deal with more so than actually just Like maximizing performance. I only have well then I'll put it this way the number of mountains. I have a non way best white class spaceports is significantly lower than the opposite. So fat loss is the primary thing. I'm after the vast majority of time and then balancing that with maximizing performance. And in my opinion The Arc the scaffolding is identical between the two approaches fell awesome performance, of course with performance. You can heads towards being a little more aggressive with calories, but Even the performance athlete doesn't want to put on three pounds of extra fat that they didn't need it didn't so why we're not trying to go down. We are trying to not go up more than we need to go up. And we are trying to get them, you know reasonably lean as some point like this is always an advantage so I don't really see them to be that different. I think the soft part the back end stuff is something that changes in terms of like again how you interact with people like is it? Okay nutrition advice for a 34 year old mom of three with the job is different than a perfect. Yes, you're like that part is true. But in terms like what you want them to eat. It's what I call the 90% 90% of these people are going to eat. Same thing it's really not that different. We need to manage overall caloric intake right with the high-performance athlete we might head you up a little bit higher in percentage of carbohydrates. So maybe 5 to 8 grams per kilogram body weight base themselves to having more muscle tissue or their body to be more efficient using the carbohydrates. It's just it's know it's based on the fact that they can get away with a little bit higher calories. That's it. And we want to maximize. I want to head towards I'd rather than eat a little bit more than they need then down. Is it yes, that's it for the fat loss folk, you might knock that down to maybe three to four grams per kilogram. Maybe something like that. Okay, some people might be too much something like B6. There's a lot of variation depending on what would approach they want to do. But other than that, like we're both cases were advocating eating a mostly entirely whole real food. We're eating a balanced. We're going to stick that that protein recommendation pretty damn close something call it a gram per pound of body weight may be a little bit lower even for performance athlete for fat loss. Mom, like it. Those numbers are not going to be that different. Right? So you may be your final lost client is actually even higher in my case. That's one of the things that we do for fat loss has we ratchet up protein pretty quickly. But we do that with performance athlete. In fact, the inverse tends to happen. Sometimes with performance athlete we have to lower protein a little bit because it hurts our ability to get in enough total calories because are too full all the time. So as long as that number is not to critically low then I let them get a little Lower fat have to we're going to be conscious of liquid calories. And again, it doesn't mean avoid I means conscious sometimes we're going to use them intentionally. Sometimes we're going to restrict them depending what we do all the basics. We're going to have a wide variety of colors in our food, which is something I'm around you huge advocate of I'm going to have a variety of preparation. So sometimes we're going to bake. Sometimes we're going to stir fry. Sometimes we're going to eat raw. Sometimes you're gonna Grill we're going to do a variety. He of preparation methods and then most important of all that is going to maximize adherence. Like we're going to put you in a position to where you don't feel like you're in a scarcity mindset that you're in abundance mindset and that you're not we're going to buy all these things. So really, I mean man, it's the same and I've had a lot of people lose a lot of weight and the approach My Philosophy on this thing is the same we want about a 10% caloric restriction the sit, which for fat loss folks. We want to lose about a pound a Of our body weight per week. Or something like that. The only time that gets an exception is with like a fighter and we've got 5 weeks and we're 25 pounds overweight. We can't like math doesn't work. We have to be more aggressive not now will trick the scale at the end. But other than that, like I said the goal of all these folks is have that very slow decline. So really the concepts are the same the the individual methods you might tweak a little bit based on context. But like I said before that level of change is Bigger from person to person than it is Outlet than an athlete. So while the clients I work with I mean they're on their own rapidly massively different approaches just because they're different people and have different scenarios and different Lifestyles that wake up at noon and they wake up 5:00 a.m. They teach they have kids. They don't like athletes have these same sort of things. They're rich or they're not super rich like so the approach is just about the person rather than it is the category the big word that you said that really stuck out to me was the most important one thing that everything is adherence because yeah, you kind of hair to the side point and that's why like this is sale absolutely love and its complexity is the enemy of execution could make it like I can clients come to me. Sometimes I like on a different diet plan every day. It's like if I give you seven different diets every day down there's no way you can stick to this the first weeks. It's way too complex. Yeah, I would We disagree fully a hundred percent because in many of the athletes I have worked with Simplicity is is the problem because they don't get enough buying when it's so simple. This is what I try to do is figure out yeah, cuz they're just like there's no Clarity. Well as it is too basic for them. So this doesn't make it's not of clarity. Yeah the day I want to know exactly what he and I want to know all of you know, they're smart enough to say like, well, my exercise is very different today. Why am I? In the same as I did yesterday that doesn't make any sense Mike I burn way more calories today and the did they really start to question them. But I'm also I initially started agree because some people are like that as well. So what I do is I kind of have two diametrically opposed approaches and I called it being a cook versus a baker. So the difference between cooking and baking in the kitchen baking is chemistry. Baking is a very specific recipe you can't dislike toss things in right like that. It doesn't work. But cooking is exactly that like how many Bill peppers? I don't know to taste right? How many mushrooms are not to taste right? You can't cook a bread like that. You can't just like throw a baking powder into taste you get nothing, right? And so what I do is I try to figure out how they're going to operate and if they are a cook, for example, then I'm a hundred percent with you. Like let's get real simple. It's get basic let's the goal is to do and you less two or three really simple things and let's worry about like long-term. What happens over a month? Let's be consistent. Let's have a let's make this a lifestyle practice that great other folks. I did the opposite because they can't handle that level of openness and so will be like no. All right. Here's the plan mostly getting too much flexibility because they just want like a Richard structural Motif. Yeah. I may have I haven't had that right now Brian Ortega high-level guy 14 and one of you sees a spot for World title options are not his strong suit. He does not like Moses during the day. He does not like having them like this is not an area. He wants to spend as much on energy on his Apprentice thought it was like, why did I hire you if I have to think about what I'm eating at the whole point of hiring you is to just open up the thing Monday at 8. It's eat this then might it says eat this one then eat this one and this one and this one like death and he doesn't care at all. What's in them? There's no question when he has too many other things to think about better. This is below his pay grade. And so he's the opposite. So the diet is very complex. And of course, he's not listening salsa it but it doesn't even matter like that like that. You know, it doesn't matter that it's there, but he wants something that is laid out very clearly I have another athlete is the same way like she wants to know exactly what to eat and when she would rather not have any choices, but she would definitely like it to be catered to every single day like in the end wants to be different and she wants to go text me like I didn't do this instead of training what I do instead cool and when I give her an answer even though I don't know 50 percent of time. I just make the answer up like for sure right because what we're saying like she wants like it takes anxiety way. She knows like okay. We have a plan like it's in place. Yeah, I have many other athletes would be the exact opposite of like what like let's just check in like give me macros or just give me Concepts and I want to go there. So again, I really try to almost say this for the 19th time. I'll save it for the 19, but I won't say the 20th. I promise as you're listening. Probably getting tired of hearing it. But it for me. It really is about the individual approach. I don't like systems like that. I don't people ask me constant. Like can I buy your weight loss system or your weight cut or I literally don't have one. I've never cried over to the client really, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah and then things changed like I wanna do this anymore. I'm tired of this one could do something different a great and sometimes like a different approach, but but I'm also Keep in mind I'm intentionally building a system where it's that's not scalable. So it's not my life. Like I have a real life has taught me that way. But like I have a full-time job elsewhere. So when I work with athletes is something I want to do because I want a really high touch low volume environment. So this is probably not a good approach. If you're trying to make your living having a scalable practices some I'm work with very few outfits at a time intentionally so I can have this level of interaction how many actually see what with this one of Interest You can kind of range depends on the season but as low as 3 to 4, I try not to get higher than 15 right now. It's probably closer to that 15 number just kind of the way it some different fights of Chuck out and things like that. But I try I try to pare it down as much as I can and I also try to fire them as often as I can or evolve them what I'll say like for example, my goal is to not keep them dependent on Me my goal is to get them that position where there's self-sustainable and it's just like great next Camp. Maybe just need to like fire out a couple questions and maybe once a month we got to chat or something like that, but More things pop up. What do we want? What do you think we should do differently here, but I don't want them to be like that. So yeah kind of depends on the system. But yeah probably closer to least 15 right now with maybe half of those are I'd say really high touch like they're in my facility every day or like yeah things like that, like really high touch. The other ones are other ones are probably more like conceptual once a week. We could touch base like hey, let's go. What do I do? So I can have a little bit of a split between those right now because like the baseball players it can't be in every day. They're traveling it's kind of time. So yeah, so those things will be more like I mean, I watch their games or I'll follow up and check and be like, okay, we did this whatever I'll track their they're tracking their food sort of remotely. So I'll just pop in and Overlook things where other people need. Neither again. They're either here every single day or whatever or five days a week whatever they are. And or the remote ones are that's how my day starts like they got to check in every morning every day. What are we doing? And then we'll usually get back in five six times a day. If not more was with a small handful of those. Yeah. It's really high touch. So what's up here? See what sort of feedback would be looking for clients and check instead of ones who checking multiple times a day man. It is totally different for the person half the time, you know, it's sort of like so I'll put this week for some of them that are also really well educated in the space and or maybe more mature or immature is not the right word there just like different personalities. It might be like, okay, we tried this this amount of food part of the work out how to feel like we're you to fold on enough to house energy. Okay. Well, okay. So for this workout, let's go ahead and do that or I let's add this in now because you didn't have enough gas or you're feeling kind of low from this one. You gotta go so far, even though we did this last week l'énergie is lower today have this back or no? No. This right and so maybe just like really straight. So if the other ones it's 90% how to practice go. Oh my God, I'm crying like it was a horrible day. And now like 90% of the the conversation is about something not related to nutrition and performance at all more of a psychologist. Totally like you're you're very much like and the way I approach them is It's like they're going to get it. I'm probably going to insult them. Most likely gonna talk trash Tom most likely. Yeah, I'm going to be like, oh, yeah bad practice today like good could probably lose fight. Anyways, so definitely matter, you know, just like but they know like that's what's coming. So they I want it is my way of being like it's not that big a deal or they want communication with someone. So it's kind of I have a kind of a combination of all of all those out. That's right. Now, we're like, I just know also I may sit on think like, you know, what she or he It would probably really appreciate if I just reached out right now and said listen here. So those are in my mind as well even like I don't need the feedback, but I want them to know I am thinking about them that they that they're you know, that somebody's there really caring about them the whole way because they don't have a head coach that's really there or they don't have a spouse or something like that to give them that so I want to make sure that the they think somebody out there cares about them. Constantly and sometimes people don't understand maybe the pressure that like athletes and take with the 19 sports or under the way. I like to spend say it being entrepreneurs. I'd like an island because you're on your own. There's no one else like yeah, if you're an athlete you're not on the team and it's like you're a fight there there is I think it's understand why they pull on someone like you for support because there is never enough to lean on essentially then were a wife or family around them. Yeah, and it really really Is like especially the Olympic athletes? It's like alright, the last three years is going to come down to next week. And then your 30 so your careers over if you don't think this happen Russia and this is like it's five weeks away. Okay now to four weeks and six days away, okay. Now it's four weeks five days and a half a day away. Like it's just like it's a lot and typically Olympians they all have any money. They don't have all these things. So they're sitting around doing the whole like, okay what happens now? Basically my career is over in December or whatever, you know. And I'm 35. I have no money. I have no idea what to do and I like it like this is also going on Etc or even the baseball players the same thing. It's like, okay, you're making 18 million right now if you have a reasonable year, you might make 40 million next year. Like the state this a 20 million dollar day. You're about to go through. It's like hmm. Like this is really that pressure is incredibly highness. It's pressure like nothing I ever have to deal with personally and so some of them handle it different than others. But yeah, it's it's really real with fighting especially like there's no guarantee. You get to play again after you've see like you don't just get to be like, well, there's game schedule next Friday. I get to play unless coach pulls me like know you can And when and there you see my show off your performance and you just don't know or like they not and when your income is based on fighting. It's like are you gonna get paid twice as here or three times? Well, like that's a really that goes from like campaign my coaches to okay, I can afford to buy a house. So like this is really it's a lot of pressure and then I get that one call but you you know have a torn labrum your shoulder. You have to you have to like you don't get an opportunity again like you have to go find Right, and so now you're like, yeah, I'm trying to train but and so you get it just like there's so many things that go on in their real life where you're like man, this is a tough gig. No, that's why you've become a lot of psychologists and probably an expert as well. Now how well Wednesday that actually I have several really close colleagues that are proper sport psychologist. And so I do push many many clients to them. Actually I do this to like sorry Dad, but I think this is important message as well. I understand that that is not my expertise. And so not only do I push my clients to them, but I will have conversations with this verse. I called just about me in my Approach with them a ton. So I will say things like like I know you can't violate your personal confidentiality with Charlie, but you know, I'm coaching we're working together, right? And so based on what you guys are working on. What should I avoid? All right things I shouldn't be doing or are there any things I can be doing better? From a coaching perspective and I've found that unbelievably helpful. So if you can do that without them, they don't have to violate their confidentiality. So but they can say things like these these phrases or this style of thing is not something we want to emphasize right now. I'm so yeah that again that's been helpful in regards to the vegan approach. In terms of Quito and low carb diets in terms of performance and fat loss obviously fat loss is going to be some form of calorie restriction laws. We have to take him somewhere, you know, like the whole keto fad as well as a big big Rave about in terms of for fat loss. Yeah. So if you look at it from will tackle performance first at this point, you just would have to admit it's inferior. Logical sense to me it logically makes no sense that biochemically doesn't make any sense physiologically doesn't make any sense. And again, the performance data all supports the same thing. It just doesn't make any sense. And in fact, it's worse than that it depending on the exact sport urine if it's virtually anything like a lytic endurance based it's going to be inferior. And that's just as almost as plainly as you can say now some things that are not endurance based. Maybe equal but it's not better. We don't have any indication of all the research that are actually enhanced for performance of any kind with potentially one exception which would be like extreme ultra marathon really high level 200 miles things like that. But even then it's questionable and likely just the same but potential things but anything below that Spectrum it's at best going to take you back to the same thing at or star at normative. It's going to be it's going to harm your performance. So that being said if we look at now just like fat loss. It's the same thing it at best has a very very slight Advantage but practically will have none so I don't see any need to go out of your way to do it having said that one of the things we do have to acknowledge is it is very effective. It's appears to be very sustainable people probably appear to have almost no problem with the adherence of it. That was one of our initial concerns, and I don't think True like it the signs would say that it is effective and people are not having a hard time doing it. They don't fall off the bandwagon from a group average level more so than they fall off of any dietary change, right? So I think that part of the equation has to be acknowledged. So in terms of fat loss with Kido my personal based on the research as we understand now is it seems to be a viable option if you want. So if you've tried other diets and they haven't worked before for Fat while saying you want to try cute a great if you have no interest in Quito and it sounds terrible, you don't have to do it. You can certainly lose weight other ways. If you're really gung-ho for again. You can try it that seems to be just fine. It's not going to be superior not going to be any better. But if it is easier for you to follow and execute and make sure executioner to he runs better than it will work better. But there's nothing magic about it. There are some unique advantages that Quito does offer for other things like clearly this point of Heard about epilepsy and that and that seems to be a great approach for that. But other than that really small area. It doesn't seem to be a massive Advantage for just about anything else again, we say as we were he says like a million times he comes back to the individual properties of the individual if they're not that bothered about your carbohydrates and it probably works from great. If you love bread, for example, they're going to keto diets. Probably not going to be your cup of tea. Yeah. I mean, I have a professional fighter right now who's super into it? And what he does is post-fight. He goes right back into Q. So Q to eat keto diet. Could you dinner tonight? You have them filled with carbohydrates and hundred percent. So he liked a lot 400-500 grams of carbs a day. What's this now? The key thing is that for cognitive function or just how we have he's very concerned about brain damage. So after a fight and I don't disagree with him here. He says like there's not incredibly strong arguments, but there is some argument that potentially that is neuroprotective. So if it's equal or potentially better for him it's worth it. Yeah, he said that the consequences of missing this are so grave that any potential Advantage I have I'm going to take and when we first started working together a couple of years ago, he actually wanted to do Quito in Phi cap, and I said, okay man, like at this point he'd been 20 UFC fighter something like that and I'm like, yeah, I'm like your career like what do you want to do here? And that simply didn't last long. He was just like I can't I don't have fifth gear so I can find but I just don't have that last year. I need to get to and his fighting style is very a war of attrition style. So he's like I can't lose that so I did it wasn't my thing. I said what you want to do. He's the one who kyouko gray and then we I tried to help him do it as best as possible and he came then back and was like, this is not working great. So when they Sort of adjusted so he'll flow back and forth now, so I think that's an important thing also as well as there's a difference when a client comes to you and says, I don't know what to do. What should I do versus here's what I want to do. Can you help me do it to the best way possible I missed that message early on in my career and I conflated the second one with the first one or other. I'll say I completed the second one with always being the first one and so what I mean is if somebody came to me and said, oh I want to do keto and trained for this fight with Quito. I would always respond with why they shouldn't do it. I don't do that anymore. Like if they ask me. What do you think about it? I will tell them I don't think you should do it. But if they come to me already saying this is what I'm going to do. Can you help me do it the best possible then? I mean, I might ask them one time while you want to do that. Are you really sure that you understand sort of the back end. My belief is that that's not the best approach and if they say no no like this what I want then I'll say. Okay great, and I'll never bring it up again. And then I will actually not like even self-sabotage. I hope they like I hope they didn't work so I can prove them. I'm a hundred percent like man, but I got to figure out how to make this thing work because I know the limitations so I really want to make it work for them. My goal is to try to defy the physiology and make it work. I don't want them to fail. We said it's my job interesting on the same thing all y'all probably learned last year or so with myself and with clients in terms of exercise selection. So like for example, if you hate doing a barbell squat, why are you doing that the workout? All right. It's like doing if you don't enjoy the exhale you can be doing except probably not going to give it your all worse. If you enjoy doing hacks court, for example, you're probably so hard and get better results on that. You probably don't like it for a reason right and there's some things that we need to push discomfort on there's some that we just just don't I think that's also sort of like a pseudo. Good message to think about in terms of outside of exercise. Yeah, so are there things going on at work are their practices that you're doing every day that you just like to thank you have to do but you hate them and you're like, I don't really maybe have to do this. How do you had a cool? The one thing its various Business book is basically about how like basically 90% of your success in life is based around doing one or two things very well. And the rest of the stuff you just fluff out your life with really important is to solve the same analogy. Without requesting. Yeah, and I'm not familiar the book. But yeah, I mean there's a lot of the reasons why people ask me how I can for example, like how do you work that? It's how do you run? Like, how are you science is not getting fired for all this seemed like a pretty good at just being like I don't really have to do that part. Like I know you're saying I have to do that, but I'm not going to do that. I can just like all the stuff on the back end that you could take picked out of like all you got to do this training and you gotta do this. I'm like really We tenured other Really Gonna fire me for this. Probably not. I'm just not going to do that anymore. Hello. Just come down to one last point before we finish up today. I want to keep to know Mandy. Yeah, I'm going to biopsy in a few minutes so we will wrap up quickly. So one last question, what's your thoughts on the future of performance and sports and we're going is anything new that's coming or anything. Yeah. No, I do. I think actually we are close to making a real bomb physiologically. So what I mean by that is everyone I'm sure is aware of the sports Gene and obscene scrapbook, right? And and he makes a very compelling argument that for a very long time. We are really not improved physically. So some records keep getting broke. We talked about on offline before the start of the two hour marathon finally got broke and all these things right but he makes a pretty compelling argument that the vast majority of these changes are actually simply coming from changes in technology. In this case. The track is better the shoe is better than the clothing is more. Isn't that were actually not physically running any faster. So he took all these folks put them on the exact same track naked and have them all run. Even the highest trained LeBron James like urine or whatever you want to do with all the sports science behind them is really not actually better than somebody in the 1940s without that stuff. It's just technology differences, right? So the court the shoes things like that any arguments pretty compelling and to be honest. It's pretty accurate having said that I think we are because we are now in the age of precise or Precision medicine. That is going to change. So the problem is we have never had the ability to actually optimize anyone because our brains are not smart enough to take all the variables to happen to physiology and really understand how that works and example blood work, right? This is something we Advocate people do all the time and look at your blood work, right and you want to know whether or not whether your vitamin A is optimized your testosterone is low, etcetera. Well, the problem with that assumption is we don't know what those Optimum bizarre and we don't know like a testosterone goes down. Why does actually happening we tend to think of it like buying are we want this one to be here? And here we want this one to go off this one down. But when you change one the entire system changes, so we don't understand how the whole thing works because when you move one p on my science when you move one piece and keep everything else the same see what happens in physiology when one piece moves everything else moves and that everything in this case is hundreds of millions. And so like we just don't have the brain computing power to figure out then what really happened other than well this thing went up. I think that's good, but the system changed the entire Scaffolding changed behind it the environment changed with supercomputing. We're going to have that power now and so instead of just getting things done. Like I love what the guys at nourishments driver doing with the blood chemistry calculator, right? It's like okay get 30 things measured we can predict 10,000 with 90% accuracy or whatever. This is real. This is here. And this is when we can actually then come and say like okay actually turns out you Charlie want your a vitamin A to B here we want vitamin D to be here. We want it when we can. Things really close to optimize. It's not here yet. It's not here in five years, but people are on to the idea. The other piece of that is people are also generally working away from siloed research, which is like I do my research. I collect my data. I keep my data depending on what's going on. Do you actually be forced to do the opposite which is you have to put all of your individual data points into these big Registries that are open access and people can data mine and software. And run through these things and because of that we're finally going to get real answers because it can account for so many more variables at once that we cannot write with science. We can only account for one at a time but computers can do hundreds and thousands at a time and we're going to be able to see patterns much more accurately than just even like DNA testing which doesn't tell you really anything but you're going to throw that in there with blood work you're going to throw that in there with hormone profiles. You're gonna throw that in there with age and lifestyle factors how Are you like all of these things are going to go into one. So we're going to start to see like oh, wow, you actually knew this and so the idea of personalized individualized training right now is complete joke, it's utter nonsense, right? It's very very very primitive is what I'll say that permitted he's going to be gone fairly soon. So that's um, that's kind of the age of were in well who'll rub out there riding. Somebody know. You're a busy man. You going to go to shoot off. Thank you so much. That was an absolute pleasure. So for anyone to find out Anyway information you get your about your book or anything else was best to get in touch the socials, you know and the Galloping on Instagram. Yeah and Twitter, you know Twitter is the better one for direct linking two studies and things like that because I hate like changing my bio every damn time. I do something. I usually my Cutthroat the title there use Google it if you want and I don't care but those things are there YouTube if you want to watching the videos, so I've been trying to take all my class lectures and stuff and put those Up. So if you want to learn next business programs Ina strength conditioning stuff on nutrition, that's all up there. And that's all free so you can get it all pretty much there. That's where Twitter and Instagram and the YouTubes would be the places to go absolute pleasure for that. I'm sure was tons of salt as know these though. I person taken away from them shortly listenable do so, I think very much for having me. Appreciate it man.

Dr Andy Galpin works with some of the WORLD most elite athletes from UFC to Baseball, he is also the creator of the exercise physiology laboratory at CSU Fullerton, as well as the director of Perfomance. He has a PH.D. in Human Biogenetics and his masters degree is in Human Movement Science Andy's knowledge is at the cutting edge of the latest research, it was incredible to have the opportunity to discuss some fascinating topics with him In this episode we discuss: -  The Post Workout Anabolic Window -  Vegan Diets & The Game Changers Movie -  Are Keto diets optimal for Fat Loss? -  The importance of psychology when dealing with elite athletes -  Are Keto diets optimal for Fat Loss? -  The Future of performance One quote I really loved from this conversation with Andy was “TALK to your body, not LISTEN to your body” If you want to optimise your own human performance this is a MUST listen! If your interested in transforming your life and not just your physique, hit the link below to apply for my Elite One to One Coaching https://www.charliejohnsonfitness.com/pages/coaching-application Or join the WORLDS Biggest 8 Week Transformation Competition with Cash Prizes SHREDDIN8 https://cj8weekshred.com/8-week-shred-home28075522

Imagine yourself under a Starry Sky around the Warm Glow of the secret fire as your hosts are in potency Jim to stay in Caitlin storm Breakers talk about Shaman and psychology. Welcome to a show inspired by those late-night conversations by real-life spiritual practitioner, don't you come and join us?round grandfather fire It is the Harvest Moon on gilded veins and roofs of villages on Woodland Cress and their aerial neighborhoods of nests deserted on the windowed panes of rooms where children sleep on country lanes and harvest Fields. Its Mystic Splendor rests gone are the birds that were our summer guests and with the last sheaves return the Laboring Wayne's all things are symbols, the external shows of nature have their image in the mind as flowers and fruits and falling of leaves. The songbirds leave us at the Summers close. Only the empty nests are left behind the pipings of the quail amongst the sheaths. Welcome everybody to another episode of around grandfather fire. You're listening to episode number 29. I am Jim to snakes joined by my good friend and co-host and student Caitlin Stormbreaker. How are you doing tonight Caitlin? I'm doing great. We are at the very peak of our fall season. So I'm kind of getting brutalized right now by work and also beat up by my original teacher who is putting me through the works of a whole bunch of That's right back with your with your yoga training again. No, it's more of the spiritual side of yoga that we're going through now less less of the asanas but more of the spiritual practice and kind of sussing out a lot of the shit that's going on in my life and trying to make us a semblance of something and it's so it was so funny. I was thinking about it earlier today. I was like, I have legitimately and literally come full circle on my path because she was my very first teacher who kind of awaken my mind to this whole other realm of beings and now I'm like eight years later. I'm back to working with her one-on-one and I'm like, oh that's what that means. Gotcha. Yeah. So how is good? Anyway, I see how that happens busy. But you know, that's always the par for the course. I know I realized when I was sitting down that we have not done. Episode 4 literally a month, we had a couple guests that had to reschedule and it was a month since we recorded our last episode. Can you believe that? I actually can I was thinking about that and I was really missing you guys because I really hope you enjoy and look forward to these hour hour-and-a-half episodes that we do so you can go ahead and hang out nearly as much as I wanted to at Ann Arbor Pagan Pride. But yeah, I heard you had a date night and I hope that went well. And you guys weren't really time and went really well class went well is you attended my class, right? That's right. Yeah, you were at the back row there. I did. Yeah and did it go well for you? What did you think of it? I well I of course. I'm a little biased even working with you for how long now long enough. They should be over your bias. But no my bias is actually a lot worse now. I think you're awesome go, man, but no. I thought the glass the class went really great you the structure of it was really well. I wish we had a little bit of a longer time slot for right? So at the end we could discuss a little bit more what went on but from what I experienced. It was really amusing because you know, I work with the same Spirits you do and so Tango and Condor we're there before you even call them and I was like, oh, hey guys what's going on? Like why are you here? And then you called him and I was like, oh, that's why. Okay, cool. So then I had my spirit animal come in the first time and it was an elephant and she just sat down and looked at me and I'm like, okay. Well now you have to go away because you're my ego talking and she's like no, I'm not leaving I'm it and it was like the literal elephant in the tent. Is that what a pretty pretty much like, nope. I am at this is me and so I went through it two more times and like I even asked oats, And go in condos. Like are you guys going to help me out? Like we got to get this one out of here and they're like no this is this is it I was just like, oh, well, that was easy. All right. So what do you have to tell me and she goes wisdom without compassion means nothing. Oh, wow, especially to yourself. Yeah makes a lot of sense. Yeah. That makes a lot of sense and being in there's an elephant. You can never forget that message would ya bad jokes puns, you know, it's part of my routine. No, we got to do that because it keeps us in in line. I think that's right. That's you serious. Well, I'm going to go ahead and let's welcome in our guest tonight. We are really happy and pleased to be joined Again by Ron. Smith and if you guys remember Rondo's on with Sarah tonight earlier this year we had a fantastic conversation where we went really deep into talking about Shadow work and it was actually a very popular episode and Rhonda is back to talk with us tonight about a book that will be coming out very soon. And when you're listening to this podcast, you'll be able to pre-order it still for tonight because we're going to be airing this on the last day of the month, but tomorrow the very next day it's available for sale on Amazon and all over the place. s and welcome back Rhonda Thanks for joining us today. Oh good to be with you. Thank you so much. Rapid. Yeah - oh, this is like family, right? Oh, I forgot to mention the title. What is the title of the book that's coming from title is the whole method the whole method? Yep. It's the method into which we find our wholeness. That's awesome. That's really great. Actually no method. It's about us finding our own method, but it's about stopping the whole need to have somebody else tell us how to do it and figure out how to do it ourselves. Right? Isn't that vital iíve come Really appreciate in the last couple years how important it is that we don't need gurus. We just need people to help us ask the right questions, right and and and the whole space and to be like I'm not going to respond you. Yeah, like you need to find your answer right your teacher like but like my best teachers never told me anything. They just listened and like Saddam if that's what you think or even though. They're not really that what you think see, right? Yeah, but I think there's too many methods out there. There's too many systems. There's too many ways. There's too much personal development. I think personal development is what keeps us in this like endless loop of like seeking more and that we're not enough and made more have to have more and it's really about finding what's enough are enough number are enough for our lives. And then what hmm, you know, then what then what then I think a lot of the methods that we have nowadays are almost too structured like you absolutely 100% have to follow this path step by step you do this one first and that one and then eventually you'll reach Enlightenment where personal Enlightenment is more fluid than that. It's more. Based out of your own thoughts and memories and feelings and to have someone there who understands that and ask the right questions of you I think is more important but we don't always have access to that. So the fact that you wrote a book to be a guru to help people get that. They're on their own. I think it's awesome. That was such a great idea. So I am in no way a guru. No way. Do I relate with Guru? Please don't ever call me that I'm just a chick. Yeah, right buck and would have Billy sit in a circle with you and learn from you as well. So like that's a big piece of this all and I think getting comfortable like being in the dark cave and learning how to feel our way through and learning how to hit our heads and you know how to have something bite us and like that whole piece of just like finding our way into tapping into that internal wisdom and and you guys are in a little bit of a different community in your community is a little bit different too but a lot of the deities that I'm involved in or like coming out of Tony Robbins and they're coming out of all these things, you know, I understand that was that was part of our expansion but like it isn't about Changing State it's about being present to our state and it's like so they're right and and we're visualizing people live for a visualized State people live for an affirmation. I'm like, whoa, who are you really because that's not who you are. You're pretending something. Hmm and you're wishing something. So that's a big part of this work for me is really getting people to be present with what is because my life didn't change with all these things. Like I visualized I even did a dream like a vision board, which I Silly now, but and I don't mock anybody who does it everybody has their own jam. It just didn't work for me right like and then all the affirmations and all the things and I'm like I'm lying to myself because none of these things are true. I am not at awesome. I am not rich. I am not famous, like whatever we ask and I'm not perfect. I'm not ends the finding our way inside of ourselves into this thing's so that's why this book is really meant to do them. Yeah, that is such a great set of observations to because I think you know, For their time like, you know, 20 years ago Anthony Robbins and that they seem so revolutionary to a lot of people because a lot of people had never really focused on improving themselves that same way but the the problem that we're running into is now it's almost like part of the capitalist system where it's always about expansion expansion expansion growth for growth's sake and I don't think that's a healthy thing to do anymore. Nothing are like are our companies to call the expanded human, but that's not about like it's not about offending. It's not about just going up. It's about going in every direction now out and all of it right and like it's you know, there's a there's a phrase that you got that if you're not growing you're dying and I think that that is cancer because I feel like people run this special stealer. I think you can slow down and when people come from to me that people actually sit with themselves, Like listen to The Quiet the only people ever stick in a cabin in the woods for 30 days with like Justin notepad notebooks and see like what happens? Most people are beautiful experiment now, that's a TV show. Yeah, I think a lot of people couldn't handle it without this the constant input. A lot of people would struggle with that quite a bit. Oh, not me. I would love it. I would disappear into the woods every single day and they would be selling an empty house. Really go. Where did she go now? Exactly. I mean it's being present to sitting into the apple tree, right? It's the things that we you know, and I'm overly connected right now because I'm trying a launching this book and we're launching so many things and the output is way like I'm not living the way I say, there is a point when we get to charge the mountain and we get to create our things right and then then there's a point where we could bring back and like see how it all unfolds and just like today with a show. My router guide right before the show and it's like okay. I mean what am I gonna do? You know, we'll just keep going so now the word Enlightenment was used and I actually I want to touch on that a little because I feel like a lot of times and I think we might I might have talked about this with other guests, but people think that Enlightenment is like even a Lightman itself is the end goal where I tend to find that something that you get these brief and beautiful flashes of her moments to sit with but it but people can't at least I can't Just live that way constantly. It's one of those things where you have that Revelation, but then you have to kind of find a way to to live it to Earth it to to bring it to fruition. Well, I mean Enlightenment is this like new age idea that we're sitting like Lotus position at the ocean complete and total Divine connection and we're all happy all the time enough. That's just not a realistic. I mean Enlightenment is a destructive process that shed the way the untruths of who we think we are as feeling get closer and closer to ourselves. And of course we have to have like waves and Peaks and and you know Plateau the time and I think I came to Big Revelation. Should I don't want to be the soldier spiritual person? Like I want to study human sometimes I want to let my Winnie the Poo belly out. Maybe something that's not good for me. Maybe don't I don't do it. I don't I don't know, but I know that when I'm too spiritual and to on the path, like everything's to clean. I can't handle the like the Resonance of let the frequency of people voices how everything's coming at me so some Times I have to create a little bit of a disrupter in there. So it's like I don't think there's any yeah, I mean it's like it's just a little bit. Coach and they want to they're bored. They're successful in their life, but they don't have to film it. And that's typically where people were at like they've done all the things I've read all the things are gorgeous and personal development. They're like, wow, this isn't it nothing but looking for to see what it's all about and to reach success is significant since somewhere along the way you realize. Wow. This isn't it? Like I'm not happy. You're not fulfilled. I'm not being me and it's really finding that that internal wayfinder to really figure out like I don't enjoy doing what you enjoy and the beauty of that is that that's what makes his hand. I think everybody's trying to like a live for this. Wonderin. Not it's not my dream. I want I finally realized that was I was trying to create a dream. That was some fine. I was like well shit, no wonder it's not working, right? Yeah, it makes complete sense. So when people have kind of gorge themselves on the on the personal growth path with some of the traditional materials, I noticed one of the things in your your bio that kind of caught my eye a little bit was with your new company the expanded human that you're saying what comes next after personal development. I think that's an interesting question. What kind of Venues, are you hoping or Avenues? Are you helping people explore with that? Well, we we can't just take out the recycling. We need to have things on a system scale if that's where Earth is right, like we're in planetary / like we've got some things happenin right now that we need to be aware of and if we don't have empathy and compassion, you can't teach that you can't teach someone to want that so like the extended human is really an idea of like taking people into We have a one-year mentorship of call the Inner Circle and it's to really kind of take the leader who maybe is disconnected has success maybe has like some connections but like how the community had can ripple effect and really I don't like to use the word impact because I don't want someone's impact. I don't want ever want anyone to impact me with their impact if I like what you're doing. I'm going to magnetically be attracted or connected to you. But so the inner circle is created for that person and then we're going to do a different member membership for people at a completely different price back if we want to offer something for everyone. We have a free community. We would offer something a little bit more high level and something a little bit high level. So we're trying to hit like all things but expanded human is really about what's enough for you. Hmm, like really getting to the point of like this consumerism and need for like significance and more. It's like a rat trap and it just keeps us on this Perpetual wheel of like never being satisfied and my friends who have enormous networks and and Got it. And it Jim Carrey I quoted him in my book and he says I hope everybody gets successful and famous so they can realize that this is not it. Hmm, right? So yeah connection. It's family. It's how we have our tribe if you want to use that word or though you the communities that were in it's how we engage with a sister or brother. It's sitting next to somebody and by a fire listening and sharing right? So when people come to you at like at what point are they at like in their lives are they are they at the point where they're just realizing this isn't a good fit or is there one of those moments of Crisis where they're like, you know, they just lost their job or work. What do you think is like the seed for a lot of those people coming and looking for more? Well in the expanded human I would say it's simply like typically like we've done a lot of market research on on our tribe and like who were like trying to support and for women it's completely different than it is. For men. Hmm so women she's a Healer. She is some type of Medicine Woman or medicine person. She's maybe a coach or in the realm of wanting to support and help people. She's connected to the suffering that's on the planet. She doesn't know what to do about it and she has all of these amazing gifts but like there's still some intimidation or there's still some, you know, resistance and to stepping into who she is in our power because typically women need to be in community supported with tribe right to feel confident enough to do their thing. Right like so that part's really missing. So maybe the relationship part isn't working or their Partners not showing up or the partners not wanting to wake up is a factor and then with our men, you know, they've done everything to try and be seen and done everything to really fit in physically. I mean I owe one of my business partners like ran an Ironman just to get someone to like it just this have somebody here like yeah and like hit. Yeah. I mean like the level of what you had to do and and he's comfortable. We're sharing the story. This is part of his expanded story. But he he struggled with his weight. So he ran an Ironman. He was still struggling with his weight like that never change. So what was happening internally weights a symptom weight is not like something which you know, we're focusing on weight if people want to lose weight. It's a symptomatic thing of something else. Right? Right. So like he did this whole thing and then he ended up like herniating a disc in his back and was bedridden and didn't know like how his life was going to be and he was like 23 years old all trying to get somebody's attention hue. After the race like never talk to you again, and it was just fascinating. He's like, I betrayed myself my whole life and my body was trying to tell me something my entire life, but I was like making the body work for the head and really like that's what it is. So our men have had the level of success they've achieved but they're still like now there's a lot of men that come to me for private coaching or like wanting to open up open relationships or like want to explore polyamory and I'm like, I don't I really think that's what you're looking for. Yeah, like there's work to do before that to even see if you're the person that's open to that kind of thing and like so that's typically a lot of our men or you know, they've just questioned a lot of stuff. So, yeah, so it's a really interesting Dynamic to see where people are out there and people are suffering. Yeah, we're hiding and people don't know what to do. And you know, I have a lot of people come to plant medicine like still seeking and if you're just curious you can't come sit in a secret. Ceremony like it has to be something deeper than just being curious that we don't have enough medicine on the planet to be just curious. Right? So it's it's interesting weeding out people and sometimes people I've had one guy come if you listen to this episode he'll go but he's like I'm coming because this is on my bucket list, and I knew I knew his past he had a very very very difficult past just incredible trauma, and I said you would never be here. You're coming for your bucket list. Like I know your life and I understand your history. That is why you were here. So it's you know and everything and we talked about this on your last episode. Like everyone thinks that like psychedelic medicine is the way yeah, and it's the wave and like there's definitely healing there's definitely some benefits to it. It helped me in my life in so many profound ways, but it is not for everybody. It is not a long-term path for everybody. And I think that the way it's being promoted out there is dangerous and scary and there's a whole bunch of people who have you know, they've never sat in a plant data. They've never sat around a fire in learned any grow like they don't even know what a medicine song is and it's like they're just doing it for profit. Hmm. So yeah, we're in very interesting times. Yes. We are Caitlyn when she was describing some of the things that her or the women clients are going through it reminded me of aspects of your story. Can you relate to some of that stuff that she was talking about? I definitely can and it's something I'm still I feel like I'm currently still going through even though I'm stepping into the more and more comfortable role for myself. And it's it even like it goes all the way back to before I started my path. I grew up in the car industry in the car industry is largely lorded over by men and they think they know everything and they're the cure-all bn2. Everything out o parts and I fought for years to be recognized and to be noticed for what I knew and and my abilities in within that company and finally one day. I just realized I don't have to do this. This is this is not me. This is not my my job to make you realize that I'm capable of doing whatever it is. I need to do instead. I just did it. And then when I got into the Pagan Community, I kind of saw the same nuances, but I was a little more timid about coming forward and just doing because it was a new area. I wasn't a quote on quote expert. I didn't know hardly anything or anybody. I didn't have a tribe in the beginning until I until Jim scooped up and said, all right, you're coming with me come to love the scoopers. I had a quasi teacher a little bit before him and he kind of threw me in the deep end off of the ship in the middle of the ocean. And Jim was like, oh, hey, here's a life raft. Come on aboard. Let's figure this out. Why not? But pull yourself up, right? Yeah. He right life raft with the Rope. You have to climb into the boat. And it's been really interesting. Just seeing the shift of people noticing me, I guess and I've always been kind of like a Wallflower anyway, so it's fine being in the background. I was fine being the Weaver of energies off over there that you have no idea what she's doing or if she's doing anything at all, but suddenly, I feel better about myself because I walked past her. And I'm fine with that. But I've had people especially at Michigan Pagan Fest be like, oh, hey, you're that fire tender girl, like in the I've noticed all these wonderful things about you and I'm just like I'm absolutely terrified of you right now because I'm mildly introverted. It's amazing. What happens to her voice when that happens right? Like it completely shuts down. Yeah. It's just kind of like went away. But yeah, I I can totally relate to that in one of the things that My teacher Beth and I are kind of working on is that aspect and she's kind of helping me come into my own being and who I am and how she describes it as we are a spiritual being within an animal right? Our body is an animal. We are classified as mammals, right and our spirit is just the thing that our animal agreed to allow to Company it within this journey. And so there has to be that connection there has to be that balance between the two while my spirit may think. Oh, yeah, you have to work in go to school and gain all this knowledge and do Spirit work and have friends and etc. Etc, etc, etc and have sex and be a partner and cook food and take care of yourself and all of the things right? Yep. You have to do all of the things all at once you don't you somehow along the Lines get that disconnect between the animal body in the spirit body. Whereas there shouldn't be that disconnect. There should be that connection where they communicate well with each other where the body says. Okay, I can't do this anymore in the spirit says, okay. I understand. There. There there there. I understand. Let's take a break. Let's take a nap. Let's drink a cup of tea. Let's do something that appeases you the animal body. And so that's one of the Avenues that were exploring with myself and the the shift I've noticed in myself has been really interesting entertaining to say about her word. But well, right like I mean for me I go to bed. So I have depression really bad depression and I have really bad anxiety. So like eight weeks ago, I completely crashed and burned and went to bed for almost three weeks. So two-and-a-half. Wow. Yeah, and like I call my partners as like remember that thing I said that's going to happen one day. and they're like, yeah, and I said, um It's happened. We were expecting it to happen later in the year, but it's happened. So it's really interesting to to be okay with being an entrepreneur and being all the things that we're creating and like this is who I am. This is the animal body. I've been given just Lifetime and I have a very sensitive and unhappy nervous system when I too much stress and and you know, we were talking before the calls it goes a time when we have to charge the mountain and then there's a time when we just get to see On the mountain and my being is ready to no longer charge. The mountain has been that I'm ready to you don't want to what I've been kind of forced into. I don't know you're in Northern California. Is that correct? Yeah, so you probably don't have the seasons like we have here in Michigan we get we get eight feet of snow to how do you okay? So one of the things I'm really forced to learn over the last couple years is I can't just keep going full throttle. all winter Like my instinct is to really close down during the winter and my stubbornness is always kept me going through the winter. It Full Tilt ahead. But I'm just getting to the point where you know, only took 50 years to realize that I need to actually listen to that a little bit more and yeah, you're right. We can't always be charging the mountain that just doesn't work. That way there has to be so much of life in the universe is cyclical and we are part of those cycles and So that's an important thing to realize I lived in Florida and Southern California and I was I was never been so depressed really all that sent know all that Sunshine. Like I never had a rainy day and I never had a day. Like I I live in one of the most beautiful places in the world and it's near Lake Tahoe. Of course, we're like 7,000 feet elevation. We can amazing snows and lots of seasons and I can't I live here. I split my time between here and San Francisco The Sims. Stove area and I go back to San Francisco because it gets it this place will starve you like no other and feed you like no other but like there's there's only 1800 people in my town. So I have to go be in like some electricity and city where things are happening and people are doing things and people are curious and here it's just very slow. So I very much need both so I get that. Yeah that makes a lot of sense. Yeah, so I was as I'm is I'm thinking about your book. I got curious too. So the book that's coming out. What what can people expect from it. Like is it like I have some books are very much a here's a bunch of information and I don't feel like this is going to be the case on that one on yours and other books have like a real kind of almost workflow to them like you're going to do this and they're your do this can do that, but that doesn't seem right for the what you're talking about for. People finding their own way. So what can people expect in the book and how is it kind of structured? Well, I can first say that I didn't I didn't write the book that I sat down to write. So that's definitely half a hint in this process. So there's a beautiful story that's in each chapter that really kind of takes you on a journey of my journey and you know, it's not specific but I kind of brought all my medicine Journeys into one and and then and then there's a whole bunch of Commentary which is specific to you know, what's happening on Earth and what the Quest for wealth and riches is doing to our planet and right and like where we're at with the deforestation and the animals and and even how we like eat food. I mean, I don't promote veganism. I was a vegetarian and vegan for five years, but I just couldn't do it. My body doesn't have the Constitution to do it. So, you know how we create how we grow food how we choose? Choose food. I mean what's happening to farmed animals is just right kind of karmically we can ever heal what we've done to pigs and and cows and chickens, but it's being smart. But you know part of that book really wants me to have you know, I have a friend who is going to create Retreats and helping her. I'm coaching her through this right now, but to teach women how to hunt and coming from being a vegan to actually going out like I need to be able to know how to hunt food. I need to understand the process and like I need to be more and it's really about being Self-reliant so the book is that it's how we talk to ourselves when we're in times of pain and discomfort like that's success to me like the conversation you have then how much you love yourself and it's the journey back into self and I think that you know, we have a lot of things that need healing on the planet without a doubt but we can't just go save the world like the world doesn't want to be saved. She wants to be loved and the only way for us to do that from a place that's not of wounding or Narcissism or ego is to do our own work first and it doesn't mean like not do anything for the planet, but right if we just come at it from where we're at, you know, there's a lot like I said like a lot of conversations that we really need to be having different conversations. You want to be engaged and when this week right like it's like really right like it's just learning how to talk to each other about different ideas and learning how to sit in it comfortably and like to understand we're going to have opposition and different opinions and that that we may not agree all of us. These are okay. Right but it's we need to sit down at the table of truce and how like some some conversations. Yeah well and like disagreements in that they happen and it's not even necessarily that one side is right or wrong because that's what doing way too much value on right or wrong and and too much ego into thinking that your opinion is right, but if there is an acknowledgement that people have different priorities and that's okay, right? So your priority what you're concerned with might be different than mine and and and I have to accept that and we all need to accept that you know, and there's those things where I also think that social media and I this is one that I harp about a lot but it doesn't do us any damn favors because you and I sitting here and we're having this conversation and I can see your face and you can see mine. We can cover so much more territory in a much more loving and caring manner than we can with just text on a screen. And I think social media is doing us a great disservice in a lot of time regards are there are there are benefits which is as I have friends all over the world and I get to be connected to you know, today I was able to connect all these multiple channels of people together in this weird way. So I hear you but like we started a master class Series where we're bringing people together and zoom zoom is so magnificent because you know, like we had to call the other night for men on about sex and relationships and you know women are It's like men and women aren't meeting right now like our growth and expansion is not happening at the same level. So it's really interesting to watch the energy and being that like that the combat that imbalance and like Bernard went through always says, there's no right or wrong or good or bad. There's only balance and imbalance and like that Parts interesting. So we're trying to bring people together in a kind of face-to-face electronic face-to-face to start talking about these really deep conversations that need to be have women under the with Men are going through this process. You know, there's a lot of women out there who haven't I don't know if it's okay to talk about a new show. I didn't ask you about this before but I'm going to go ahead and do it the best there's a lot of women out there who don't have orgasms. There's a lot of women out there who are like kind of just faking this life and like that's not okay with me. Hmm. You know, I'm not okay that we have made a decision if Humanity that you know, we have hungry and homeless people we have made that decision that that's okay. I could probably stick 5 or 10 The absolute best Minds I know in a room and I don't know how long it would take but I guarantee you they would come out with some type of solution. Hmm and like but we got to care to want to have that conversation, right? Well, I think part of it is that we do have the solution to those. There's just the problem with the greed of money and ownership of certain things and what we need to realize as humans is that we don't really own anything. We're just taking part in this life. We're just here living a life alongside all of these other beings and until we can heal ourselves. No amount of healing is ever going to come out of that. You can be the greatest environmentalist and greatest humanitarian, whatever until the end of days, but if you are not a whole person you can only do so much. You know, you can't be a Healer until you've healed. And you can only heal what you have healed and I don't even know if there is healed. I think there's healing yeah, right like you're right and like I think these things are in this lifetime and I don't know what the word is. I need to look it up because I've referenced in a couple times but there's a word that talks about like what this Quest is that were on and it talks about the spiritual Quest and we go on and life and then we die and we never really know how it ends and then we do it all over again and it's like, oh my gosh, we're working for like an answer that we met. Forget and then we do it all over again and we do it all over again. So I completely agree like whole people just like relationship that whole term like you're my better half or you're my other half and like there's we have to be whole in ourselves. We love ourselves like the greatest loves of Our Lives. Then we can come together with someone else who's the same and then together you can be in love in the wholeness. Right? Like there's just there's so many so many things that we get to work on. It's a again a very interesting time to get to learn and Walk through this dark cave. I like to think of it as a very exciting time, you know, because people are waking up so quickly now like so rapidly it's rapid-fire every nail. You see so many people like coming to these conclusions. I was like, oh my God, there's a whole world out there in front of me and I've been locked into this tiny device that has all the information I've Ever Needed on it, but I'm dumber than a box of rocks, but now I could go out and Perience this thing called life and it's amazing. Look at those flowers. That's awesome, you know, and I used to be very Very doomsday or type mindset but being the more observant individual and actually stepping into my role as a Wallflower. I've been able to observe people in their mannerisms and how they interact with each other and how they interact with their world in it. It actually brings me a modicum of Hope in a deeper understanding of the beast called human You know, it helps me to understand that everybody is fighting their own their own battles and they have their own and balances that they're working with and it's so fascinating to see to avidly watch somebody else go through life and realize that they are living their own life. and they have their own version of me and they have their own world that they see and perceive and bring in and then I also have my own world and you have your own world and we all perceive it differently and that's okay because we can We're allowed to do we're not going to have all these experiences on one planet, right? That's the whole that's the bleep. Yeah, it's for me. I went through a lot of fear several years ago about like stepping in and waking up to what was like happening here. And then one day I just finally wasn't afraid anymore and it was essentially like I'm energy. It is human is having a human experience and for me, you know, I was driving in my car and this is a little bit dark but I was like, maybe it's going to take an apocalypse to like get a celebrity. Okay, like okay, like whatever and like you say regardless the however what I learn in a day is then you chop the wood and carry the water right like you still go do your thing, but I think for people like that whole idea of how am I going to lose my human existence or am I guess that's where am I going to go through? We all listen to this part of the human experience, but it really is deriving and surrender on a daily basis humility. Surrender Grace all the things on a daily basis and you know like so much more heat in the body when you can just let go and be like, I'll just go through whatever happens. I'll figure it out figure it out, like whatever that means and I mean some of my deepest sacred medicine ceremonies He's were really showing me that transition of like moving into that new time and space and there are terrifying for me. So I'm not going to say by any means that that's the progression of is you go into reality what is and then people we're going to have a reaction that's it's normal to have whatever reaction you may have but getting to a place where we can find peace with it, but this is what's happening and then do our part the car boys since they are things and and you know share what's coming through us. I think that's one of the most important. Things is that like my Dharma isn't your Dharma why I'm here is not why you're here. And what's beating on me to come out of my soul isn't the same thing as yours and it's like respecting that process and each other. Sometimes I wish my Dharma were different the things that are like beating to come out of me were different but they're not they are with cars. So it's just finding surrender and not to I can agree to an extent on your Dharma is not my Dharma and everybody's Dharma is different, but I can also see how people's Dharma can align with each other at least for a period of time like their goals come together and they can work as two individuals but together on the same path for a short amount of time or even for a lifetime even in and that you would get a sense of tribus and Of foundation and understanding with other people. You wouldn't be totally alone walking this path. You would have somebody there that is walking the same path as you even if their Dharma is a little bit different. Right and like from my life my whole existence, especially as a very young child was like literally Clinging On to anybody that I could so that I didn't have to do it alone. Like just such Terror and such anxiety and me and really my work. This lifetime is really allowing myself to trust in myself listen to myself and find more ways and time for my packaging more self-guided and to listen to my Intuition or other. Have you know, they're super independent and they don't have those things. We're all it's also varying. But for me if when I was a child if you had swam back to save me I would have drowned you because the need was just so intense. So that's where like story comes in. Right like it's like sharing your story is like while this is who I bad. This has been my experience people. Like wow, that's this is my experience and then we care a little bit more. We actually sit and looks a little bit more. Which is what's so great about your show is because it's exactly targeted to sit around the fire and how conversations right like it. It's that whole piece. So so maybe I might even take a third position here on Dharma because I can agree that you know, your Dharma is not mine and I can also agree that it's great. It's a wonderful thing when I find someone else that my Dharma is in alignment with but can we also say that our Dharma is push each other's darkest. Was around like the the path that you're taking or that you've been put on can definitely affect the path that I'm on. Absolutely I and I 100% believe that somebody else is Dharma. I can begin a Dharma for somebody else like your Dharma could create a Dharma for one of your students. You pushed them into that Dharma you help them find that that life goal or that life path. So yeah 100% I agree with that I didn't just probably watch the way to explain it right to express it and then came part about that. Yeah, letting lending what has lied Blum. You just come out. Surrounded would you think would you say that and I'm curious the the we, you know, we keep saying that we're living in a very interesting time or an exciting time for transitional time. But is a lot of the deepness of the Shadows that people are facing both individually and culturally because we're resisting it so hard because I've always found with Shadow work the harder you resist the the deeper and more firm that they get. When we don't listen to The Whispers we get to hit the screen, right and that's typically that was my case. This is where I ignore it. Peril when they finally come back I need your help because I don't know what to do anymore. So yes, but that's the call and it's I think it's typical for us to ignore the call because a lot of us lives but enough for a manageable enough life. So it's you know, it's it's funny to see how people and I work with people from a client of experience. I think that worth it. They absolutely lose everything. NG to really find me listen like and anything like not everybody some people listened before but for some it's really a big call or relationships or you know, and typically a lot of these people are being called into some type of shamanic path or work. Hmm, right that's just seems to be who who comes from my way. But yeah, it's this whole time even who are government has selected in our president and Whatever you played. I don't really like to be super political but we couldn't have had a better way to see the shadow of what's actually happening been to be going through what we're going through. I think that we would have had on some blinders had it just continued to go the way it was. So again, not not a choice, I would ever choose but right I'm grateful for like the realization that are happening. You know, that's it. That's a beast. So trying to find something in In it that it's salvageable and and things so, yeah, I think there's different conversations happening now for sure. Hmm. Yeah, I would agree. I mean, I think that you know, we're hearing the scream right now. It is never to me been so in our face how very few people are controlling so much. I don't think that in my lifetime it's ever been as evident. It is right. Now how much the the the Quest for money and power has got things so out of balance and that gets us totally away from the wholeness thing that you've been speaking of them. It's those are not the same thing having the biggest bank account is not wholeness. And again my opinion a very from yours, but esoterically I think that certain families got access to information and knowledge then took that to like create the system. Like I think where we're at isn't by mistake. I think it's more by Design and now that we're finally waking up to it. It's yeah, you know, you look at the things I ate as a kid and like wondered why I was so unhappy. Eating food and I book I call it Chow, right? Like it's pretends to be food. And it makes you feel full but there's absolutely no really so then we look at you know, what we feed ourselves and how we do these things but and grateful for the new can step into this time and to unlearn all the crap that I learned and so that they're you know, there is benefit into the part of like I've never been able to have this level of output or to be this like this level of person. I've never had access to information or trusted myself so much and that really for me required me to lay deeply in my shadow. Hmm. I think a lot of people are afraid of Shadow because it's painful and it's ugly and it's uncomfortable and they don't want to look at it because our main goal is humans is to become in comfort and without fear and you know, we have the whole fight or flight Instinct for a reason and usually when you at least for me, I can't speak for everybody. But for me when I face shadow that instinct Layers up and it's like instant. Alright, my heart is racing. I my palms are sweaty and freaking out like I've got to run or I've got a fight to survive. But once I quell that feeling or at least sit with it and understand, okay, this is just my response to the situation that's going on. I need to observe the Shadow and see it for what it is and then make it my Ally. I need it because I'd lost my train of thought good. Sorry about that. It's okay. Yeah, we I think the Shadows our greatest teacher. I think that I learned a fair amount of stuff when I'm happy and life is joyful. But I really believe that the shadow is the teacher and when we can learn to sit and face with it and feel of our feels and you know, there's a lot of breathing techniques out there. I have brutal anxiety. So sitting in plant medicine wasn't really late and I worked I did it for several years, but after that I couldn't do it anymore and Practitioner of a lot of medicine so that's very interesting Dynamic but when we taken breath and we breathe in fast enough and then we let it out and we hold it. We trigger a parasympathetic nervous system which helps activate like and help the fight or flight. So like learning all of these things. I like, how can I help with a toolbox of my own tools of how to help myself go through a situation. Like that's the gold. That's the interesting part because we're all so different in Unique and you know Murr I held Marin ceremony with me for three years, which Myrrh is like energy. It's like bleach for energy. So we're learning how to use the spirit of. Myrrh. And like now I don't have to excuse me to work with the spirit of. Myrrh. I don't even have to open a bottle of myrrh have one in my hand or really even have it in the room with me. I can simply work with the spirit of myrrh and have that same element because you know, depending upon what you believe are junk DNA is every living thing on the planet. It and so we are we armor so it's learning how to be this things. That was my experience anyway. I like that. So it's really really coming to learn how to resonate well with the state the this other spirit that you're interacting with to the point where you're resonating with it. So well that it doesn't even need to actually physically be there with you anymore. Right? I spent a year working with rose. I never really liked roses. My mom was a florist. She loved them. I never really got it. I thought they were expensive and they're kind of you know, whatever and they smell right but like I really understood I had some friends that worked with rose heavily and like there was a frequency with them. In their medicine and how they sat with medicine that was really fascinating to me. There was like a deep peace and wisdom. So I spent a whole year learning to work with rose and it really was transformative to me and it really helped me step into my feminine. But in this like very confident strong way and such a beautiful flower and you know, we have people who in ceremony prayed a lavender printed basil and my friends that diet all types of plans, you know Master plans from the Amazon and sometimes they'll do a rosemary diet. It where they'll sit and diet Rosemary for 10 days and Dewberry, you know, very little calorie and all the things just to kind of bond their DNA with it. So yeah, it's amazing when you think everything has a spiritual nature. So it's not something we eat. I was sitting with spinach today and I dropped a piece of it on the counter and I was just going to throw it away and I was like, I should eat you like your food. I don't want you to waste and I was like, well, maybe I should sit with you so I had lunch with a piece of spinach today as I myself. I like that I know but like, you know, I mean we have this element like when we eat animals, they're sentient. I mean plants can feel the sense fear like they know if they're going to be burned. They secrete a different hormone. Like there's things that are happening. It's just being more aware about our environment and how we feed ourselves and how we choose to be in relationship with all those things. What do you strikes me? If there was a person that I was talking to recently who was struggling with some Diet issues. Oh and it kept occurring to me that they were only thinking of it of food as how many calories it contained. What is nutritional content was that sort of thing and I kept coming back to the thought that if you sat down with it and had lunch with it had treated as the spirit that it is you could probably go a long way towards changing that relationship. So it would be much more nutritious than just food. Alone, well, I'm in even looking at it and like like through the chakra system. You know, your root chakra is based on food clothing and shelter and if you suddenly go from having whatever you want in food having a huge variety of eating whatever you want to suddenly very limited diet that kind of kicks that chakra that energy into overdrive telling your body. Like I need to consume more I I need more and more and more because that that resources now threatened or there's a perceived threat to that resource. And so there's like a stifling of the energy and so it actually kicks that root chakra into overdrive enforces you to consume more than what you normally would have if you hadn't of Taken on this perceived diet, so maybe even for people who are struggling with weight making your meals kind of like a ritual based. Being where you focus on the food as raw elements and then cook it into a meal and arrange it beautifully onto a plate and sit down say prayers to the spirits that are on the plate actually eat the food. Don't just mindlessly shove it in your mouth while you're watching TV, eat it taste it. See what you like about the food. See what you don't really take it into your body really reconnect with your food. You know, that might hope Nope, absolutely listening to the body like when it's hungry and the very first thing we put on the belly every morning is like the foundation of the day. So if you start your day with celery juice, which the medical medium has an amazing book out. I think there's a actress named Maggie. Oh who just created a Prebiotic probiotic greens formula and it's super easy like put a scoop in a glass of water. You drink it down and like it starts your whole day. Oh wow, and like and I'm a person who I'm a I eat cookies when I'm stressed. I eat cookies I did. Pounds and I weigh 200 pounds. So I'm always like somewhere in the middle and so like my life's journey of listening to my body what it needs and how it deals with stress and cortisol has been super interesting and I found that like the very first thing I put in the belly in the morning lemon water celery juice some type of greens really helps me not crave the same foods and make different decisions with my food, so I couldn't agree more and like Tantra Keating taking a piece of chocolate and hold it just to add on to what What you had said hope you know rather than just throwing a piece of chocolate your mouth Chuck. It's amazing. I would say eat like good organic chocolate but rub your tongue against the chocolate like feel it like let the chocolate like melt-in-your-mouth and have the sensations like this is living like this is all the things that we like trying to seek outside of ourselves. These are the moments like you are in relationship with yourself only, you know what it feels like when you have to poop but really, you know what it feels like right when you're going to rub chocolate in your mouth. No, you you really hit me when you said this is living because eating literally is living if you don't eat you're gonna die. So you might as well enjoy it. Yes, absolutely and listen to your body. Your body is sacred deep intelligence your body know what it needs and like if you're craving chips, you typically are looking for something crunchy your body's low in sodium. Right, like if you're if you're thirsty you how our way dehydrated it's way past the time that you should have drank water. So when we're point of thirsty, it's too late like go drink water and do better but like for me, I know my mental health is all based in my belly. So like what I'm eating what I'm doing all of those things. It's like I've had too much wine and the try and have organic wine, but still or you know, I'm emotionally eating I'm having more cookies and you know, I do so much better. I'm so much happier. When sugar is not a part of my diet. Quick Side Story because that's me right Galen that he the the enjoying the chocolate and that sort of thing. It reminds me of one of my favorite stories about a pro wrestler of all things Caitlyn. You might have heard this one before when I told it I but there was this old story about a wrestler called The Ultimate Warrior. He just he lived this, you know, because of his professional and he was just very obsessed with bodybuilding and being in the perfect shape and that sort of thing and the other Slurs used to talk about a story where he didn't want to eat any junk food, but emotionally he knew he craved. So there was all these stories of where he'd come back into the Katie room catering room and he'd take a cookie and he'd crumble it up and he'd take a big Sniff and just kind of enjoy the smell for a minute and then he'd throw it away and he'd leave the room because he had he had filled the emotional and the the neurons excited the neurons that he needed to excite to get that feedback, but he didn't actually need to eat the junk food. I always thought that was an amusing story and there is some sort of wisdom in there that that I really kind of find fascinating. It's really knowing what you need. And sometimes you need the cookies. Yeah. So when you eat the cookies trying to eat healthier cookies and really like that's like have if you have amazing ingredients in your cookies, then don't ever feel bad. Louder shame your food or as you're eating it, you're feeling bad. Like dude. That's like medicine. You're putting it in your body. Mmm, you know, like make a cookie find out organic cookie. There's lots of yummy things out there, right? Yeah, never ever ever feel bad about eating the cookie when you need to eat the cookie sit down enjoy it and eat the cookie because you're going to eat 12 more after it. If you're like man, I feel so bad about eating this one cookie, like just enjoy that one cookie take small bites. Enjoy it roll it around on your tongue. You'll the flavors feel it. Don't even taste it feel it. Take it in and enjoy that great because you deserved it man. Everybody deserves a cookie be human. Yeah. Yeah cookie. Yeah, right exactly. Yeah, that's kind of what I was aiming at. You know, it's like knowing what your needs really are. That's that's a key part. I Feel Love of that holistic sort of approach and I think it's really difficult for people to know what those needs are. Our because we have so much like even with social media or commercials or Billboards or ads on Facebook or ads on any social media. Really? I mean, they're just like throwing shit at us left and right and we're like we don't even know what we need anymore what you need to live and survive as food clothing shelter tribe and transportation. Those are the things you need to survive. Make sure those are all covered and taken care of and then go get your Starbucks. Once you're happy and satisfied with all this go buy yourself a new phone. If you've got the funding for it, you know, you don't need the phone. You don't need that new desk. If you have a desk that's totally functional like the one I'm sitting at right now. I bought for five bucks at a garage sale. You don't need to be bombarded by all of the stuff that they these companies feel like they need to bombard you with and I gave you a book. Recently John, but I'm hoping you've either read it or you don't care that I'm going to spoil something for you at the end because I just I cannot keep it in anymore. So I gave you this book. It's about the anishinabe Mana to use and it's all stories of from the anishinabe tribe of North about the various magnitudes that they work with and worship in kind of venerate up there and at the very end there is a section on wendigos. And in our 21st century, they believe that Wendy goes are no longer what they were but have in fact transformed into corporations and to oil companies. Wow, when I read that it punched me in the gut and I was like, oh my God. Yeah because Wendy goes can tickly or lower and traditionally where once human they got either kicked out ostracized or lost from the tribe became cannibals became this needy greedy never satiated creature that would rip you out of your home drag you off into the woods consume you and Continue to consume everything that they ever came across that was flesh. But now they believe that the windy go as it was is no longer. As it was it is now the big corporate companies because that's how it fits into our world. That's how it feeds. That's how it gets its it's needs even though it's never satiated. Wow. That's pretty powerful. Yeah. I was just like, oh my God, we're really say cheated. Yeah, and this goes back to a thought that I had earlier, but it wasn't able to get out the going back to shadow. Was and how you're talking about that one family and how they got it all figured out and imagine the shadow that they cast across the entire United States or even across the entire world and how their Shadows the ones that they are unwilling to face how those affect us as human being right? Yeah yours and that is that is really something to think about because at what point do you do all of the Shadow work? That you begin to realize that. Oh, that's not my shadow. Hmm. That's your Shadow or that's their Shadow or not Collective Shadow. Yeah. I was behind it really low levels, you know, as you know, I'm involved in a couple different nonprofits and and some low-level government things that I volunteer for and I even see that on my level, you know, I totally believe that higher levels. There are some very nefarious schemes. So I'll just freeze it that way but even at the lowest levels, I see people Shadows play out and they think they're making really good decisions. But really they're just following these shadow patterns and creating some really I mean won't call out anybody out by name but I'm participating in a group that is all about conservation and River Health and we're I have another board member that will swear up and down that the climates just fine Oh, I find this a little confusing. I have to admit, you know, whether he's right or not wrong. You know, I definitely have my opinions on but it just seems that a very strange place that that a lot of things he's will be unwilling to even look at for some reason. That's dissonance. It's cognitive dissonance. It's we've been programmed to fight for this one way and it's funny. I was like you're fighting for something. You don't even really know if you believe in right like you've done the research, you've gone through some some mean came across your face book. So now you believe like that's the way or like your dad told you this once when you were six and like now that's everything and I always encourage people like don't believe me go research for research it for yourself, but people don't want to like that's work or that see you know, and it's I was uncomfortable. Mmm. It's uncomfortable. You don't know I wrote a paper years ago for creative writing class and it was comparing organic food versus natural food. And I wanted to do organic versus Monsanto. I could find zero information on Monsanto and I did anything any opposing articles on Monsanto. We're just completely gone wiped off the internet completely. I was just like Huh? Well, right then I know but they're they're all part of it. Like that's if you look at that 1984 interview with Rockefeller who standing at the Bilderberg meeting and he's like, it's too many humans. We got to do something and that's like when Monsanto in place like there's a lot of things that went in place right after that so it's really fascinating to see and if you watch that whether you believe in Agenda 21 or not, there are some interesting pieces to like some of the content where Bill Gates gets up on a TED talks and says this The equation folks there's too many humans. You create too many of this. This is a something in this equation has to change and get close to 0 which is us and like whether you believe in vaccines being an issue or not. There's thousands of different ways that were being, you know, how our dogs and grass and cancer and like what's in our are they did a perfect grid pattern over my house this morning because we're getting ready to have a storm and I do believe in still weather and I do understand that we are like, you know, definitely issues on planet. But some of it is engineered some of it is we have to an article just today. We're just a stupid little tea bag some of those stupid little tea bags you get billions of microscopic plastic particles from a bag anteriorly. I'm being healthy. I'm having some nice tea. No you're not. Well, it's like everyone that's on the BPA movement bpa-free is like such a joke because there's a chemical and plastic called BPS. It's way worse for us, you know. Yes, and like so like drinking out of plastic isn't even an option like so if you have a plastic water bottle, please go get rid of any drink out of a mason jar. You don't have to drink out of anything expensive but it's just it's crazy and you look at like Hashimoto's and all of the thyroid issues. That's all coming from like it's not all but a lot of it's coming from plastic, right? And so it's just like we have to be more aware and clean like I have a bamboo straw. Right, like trying to be out of my glass with my lemon and it's like it's a lot of damn work a lot of damn work. Well, I don't want to keep you all evening. Although I certainly could but I just want to remind everybody too that go out go to Amazon and put in your order right now for the whole method book which is going to be coming out. It rolls out October 1st, and you're gonna have a lot of really great information in there on To find the wholeness in your life. That's what we've been talking about this entire episode how to make your life more whole and complete for yourself. So it's the internal validation that you need and and how not to be that wendigo yourself. So how to how to find that wholeness. So Rhonda thank you so much for joining us. Really appreciate it. I think we're going to have to have you back on one more time at least sometime in the near future because we're going to have to take the Deep dive into some of the conspiracy stuff and I'm going to air quote. The conspiracy because we all know some of it is is definitely real but I think that you and I we need to have a conversation about how to have those conversations. I think that's a conversation and if you want to check us out go to the whole I'll go to that expanded human hu EMA and calm forward slash truth and join some of the stuff that we're doing over there, but I would love to sit down and learn how to have a conversation left me learning not necessarily you but how to have these deep conversations so that we can, you know, learn how to learn from each other take the pieces that work for ourselves. Oh, trust me. I need to learn to yeah. Me too Perpetual student over here. Well, thank you so much for joining us. And we really appreciate it. Oh, thanks for having me. It's always a blessing and I really appreciate what you're doing in the world. And for I don't know just the medicine aspect of all this in all that you do is like really it's you know, it's just it's it's peaceful. It's grounding. It's important to all of these crazy chaotic times. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. call Holly's Take off the dummy.

Around Grandfather Fire - Episode 29 Copyright 2019 -- Jim and Cailtin interview the remarkable Rhonda Smith about her new book The Whole Method, shadow work and more! Rhonda Smith was born and raised in picturesque Northern California. She spends most of her time between the San Francisco Bay area and the Sierra Nevada mountains with her majestic little wiener dog, Saylor Love. Rhonda shares her message on stage, as well as through podcasting, coaching, and her work with sacred plant medicine. She uses all of these modalities to support people in remembering the truth about who they are. Rhonda believes that only when we embrace the darkest parts of ourselves, do we learn the lessons that lead to remembering and living our deepest truth. The greatest work of our lives is being willing to stand naked with all of our masks removed. The current state of our planet (living earth) and humanity is a catalyst to understand the way we've been living isn't working! This was the spark that ignited Rhonda's mission. Her newest company, "The Expanded Hueman," is set up to answer the question "What comes next after personal development?" It's an invitation for us all to stop the madness of endlessly seeking outside ourselves. Her book, The Whole Method, is about remembering how to journey back into ourselves and once there, discover everything we need.

The following podcast contains swearing satire and viewpoints. Some viewers may find surprising. So basically all of the good stuff. I like just ate previously on Smith and we'll talk about satire. It's just like if you're going to take money from the mail, you're not you're not a satirist for today snowflakes. It really really is all about About them and so this nonsense about safe spaces or university campuses. No platforming refusing to listen to anyone. They don't agree with refusal to work in jobs. They think beneath them and all the rest is marking so many as the most self-obsessed generation in centuries. And of course, that's a sweeping statement. I have nephews godchildren. I know the children of friends who are delightful charming and nothing like this, but a very vocal number are they are the ones creating alternative realities demanding a place where no one's 11 ever allowed to be upset by anyone and then getting upset Beyond measure at the slightest sign of dissent My Generation it pretty good too. I can't single out a snowflake and say my life was much more difficult than theirs. It was not but my mother was a charger in the second world war. She had to take shelter when witnessing a dogfight over the river Medway and she had to sit at her levels in a bomb shelter. What would she make it all today surely to goodness? It's time. We told Millennial snowflakes to get a grip that the most fortunate generation in history. If we don't a harsh fate awaits them. They really want their lives literally to melt away. I would hate my life literally to me. Alta way I think that'd be awful wouldn't it? I think I done for your own sake if not everyone else is it's better if it turns out those are not your words but the words of someone else so whose words are they my words look even even apart from everything else? I don't think your mother is old enough to have been a child during the second world war and I don't think she ever had to take shelter witnessing a dogfight over the river Medway and I'm very confident. She didn't sit around levels in a bomb shelter. So I'm going to ask you again and for the love of satire that you need to answer honestly whose words are they? Oh those words are the words of Virginia Blackburn columnist for the express writing on February 22nd 2018. Well, I'm gladder than I can say that we've cleared that up by and large I disagree with Virginia Blackburn of the express and I would go further and say the express is a publication. I would generally probably avoid so we have what's going on? Yeah, just to be real. I don't entirely agree with Virginia Blackburn and I imagine a lot of our listeners wouldn't agree with that stuff either. So should we just read? Called the intro. No. No, I'll tell you what right? I didn't agree but it didn't hurt. I think we should let that introduction stand and I think we should use it as a springboard into the podcast and take all the opportunities that it offers us for discussion and particularly given the kinds of things. We're going to be discussing with our guests in this episode. So welcome listeners to the second episode of the second season of Smith and War talk about satire where we're inviting you along on our riotous informative and sometimes controversial Journey Through the history form function and Of satire. I'm dr. Adam Jane Smith election 18th century studies at York st. John University and I'm Joe Walker lecture in 19th century literature also at York st. John University and together. We are satire we are we're all of this at our to somebody to say just eat it just eat. Yeah. No, they did not and I think it's important to note that we do not actually have any sponsors at this time. However, we are open to offers only. Yeah, wasn't it? Oh you're open to offers because I do like this thing of podcasts being sponsored very specifically by companies that deliver You food as in dear, Joan and Jerrica and my dad wrote a porno and you know, I'm quite enjoying playing around with that. But do you think do you think we would take sponsorship if we got it? Well, what would be an appropriate brand to start kind of us something? Well either something satirical or something extremely straight which we could infer that we were satirizing by having them a sponsorship because if we make sponsorship itself into a satirical or responses when I know but if they did yeah, we could say we were In the name of satire. Yeah. Yeah, we could they probably like that when they I don't know. What was your good friend then to sponsor us just to just for your information out there. I'll do of Commerce grammarly grammarly. That was a good one. Yeah, Squarespace Squarespace. Yeah. Zip recruiter Sodexo Foods Sodexo. Yes. Yeah. There's there are lots of people out there who might want to sponsor is I mean, I think shops your Farm Foods. Yeah. Yeah. We should all hit us up in our socials if they would like to sponsor us because we'd be happy to do a good job on that. So we doing today today. We're going to be talking about Saturn with and you dial The Man Behind Jonathan pie and also behind Teutonia McGrath entertaining McGrath is a highly controversial Twitter account. Also, very popular Twitter account. Also an Edinburgh Festival show and Titania in inverted commas is also an occasional columnist for the mail on Sunday the true identity of titanium a graph and you dial was outed earlier in 2019 McGrath is a Persona who began life on Twitter as I can. Extremely woke young woman of pretty much the type that Virginia Blackburn is talking about when to taenia tweets about what's offensive. What's problematic who's racist whose homophobic half of Twitter seems to find it hilarious and the other half genuinely think that she's a real person and tend to tell her off quite vociferous lie for being a massive Snowflake and we'll be talking later to Andrew about who he considers to be his targets what he thinks of as the goal of this account before we speak to Andrew though. Can we just have a little bit of a debrief? About our last episode because I've been thinking about it a lot some of the biggest issues arising from our discussion with DM reporter actually remind me something else. Well, what does anything ever remind you of I wonder what that might be it reminds me of a time not so very dissimilar from our own I see how and yet a time that in many ways is fighting Lee similar to our own. Wow, the jingling Adams 18th century observation corner Do you remember Joe that we spoke at quite a lot of length last time about the relationship between the Daily Mail and the mail on Sunday. Do you remember that? Yes. Well, first of all that reminded me of my doctoral research, which is all about periodicals and newspapers published during the Hanoverian period that was sponsored by the wig Ministry, but they didn't necessarily and actually often avoided saying that there was once a by the wig Ministry. Well, let's just pause there so that you can explain what a wig is and what a Hanoverian period is for anyone who might be unfamiliar with those terms. Okay. Well the Hanoverian Period is the bit of English History where the last Stuart Monarch Queen and passed away without an heir. So Parliament invited her fairly distant relative George the first to be king even though he was pretty much fully German. He was George of Hanover as well as son grandson and their great-grandson. They were George the first through fourth though. The for George is Born To Rule. That's definitely cleared that up. Thanks Horrible Histories. What the devil though? What what is it weak Ministry? Well, there were two very broadly defined political parties at a time the Whigs and the Tories. Yeah, and although it's important to note that they aren't the same as political parties today. They were clusters of Fairly like-minded politicians who shared a certain set of principles and a sort of political and the tree sensibility. All right, and we know that there's no more wigs, but there are still Torre says that the same as the Tories now, No, exactly. So the Tory party then was primarily interested in preserving the status quo and ensuring that culture is protected from the masses keeping it pure from the taint of middle-class aspiration and fighting quite viciously at times to ensure the culture was enjoyed not by the many but by the few oh, so that's very different to now then isn't it? Yes. I see what you did there that was clever. Yeah. So what what were the wigs and what became of them what became of the folks what became of the wigs? Well the wigs spelled with an H were Pro Commerce pro-trade? Parliament anti-catholic and where the Tories were anxious about a rapidly emerging 24-hour consumer Society in the rise of a new middle class the Whigs bloody loved it. And so these periodicals that you wrote your PhD on they were funded by either the wigs or the tahari's that's absolutely right. Yeah. So an organization with the specific political Outlook is paying for the publication of a whole range of newspapers and magazines, but not actively saying so if you are not saying so either if you can imagine such a thing against but the reason I thought about this last time we spoke on the podcast. Because although these papers were paid for by the same Source they were often quite different. So they shared a broadly defined political Outlook. In fact, it was more of an aesthetic than an Outlook, but they didn't even always agree with each other. In fact two of the biggest wig writers of the period Joseph Addison and Richard Steele who had formerly been very close collaborators actually fell out big time towards the end of their respective careers because they both disagreed vehemently with the others approach to writing wig. Sponsor periodicals Addison. Thought two steals to Savage steel for Allison was too soft. So You think that that is somehow directly analogous to the Daily Mail and the mail on Sunday? Well, it's a bit isn't it? And as someone who at certain conferences presents as a newspaper story and I think it would be remiss for me not to mention it would be all right with that. You'd be fine with me. Not much. Yeah. Well, there's this little thing called impact the impact of gender. All right, dude compels me to say so more about the The Daily Mail example, I think is actually much more fascinating when you dig down into it because not only is the Daily Mail the mail on Sunday. They're run by different editorial teams. They have different takes on hot topics. And actually they have no Then common despite showing a logo and a typeface and the similar position on the shelf and your local newsagent. In addition to those differences. The mail online is actually different again. What's the 18th century equivalent of the mail online? Probably a periodical called The Scourge by Thomas Lewis. How is it? Yeah. Okay good. So yeah, so as we saw recently as well the Daily Mail in England isn't even the same as the Daily Mail in Scotland because they took radically different views on the suggestion doing might have a general election a few months ago. So the difference is more like the difference between something like the one show and Country file except that those two BBC shows both have Matt Baker on them exactly. Is that a good analogy? That's a really good analogy. It's good, but I thought of that but this is not despite appearances to the contrary a podcast about partisan sponsorship of 18th century periodicals or the fascinating history of the Daily Mail is actually about satire and this episode's 18th century corner. I feel like we've been stuck in a while. So I'm going to try my best to bring this back around to satire in the things that were talking about today. So I guess the issue is about how we bracket things. What we bracket them with as when we were talking about the express and not listening to something because it's in the express or indeed not even engaging with something like Virginia Blackburn because we don't agree with what she's saying or where she said it but once we've bracketed things in a certain place, then there's a risk in refusing to listen to anything that is part of them or that we mistakenly think is part of them and then we dismiss a whole raft of opinions and ideas and leads you claims like, you know, you can't be a satirist if you right here. Or you can't be worth listening to if you right there. It's like you're reading my mind. I'm reading your script but there is as I say a whole world out there and we are still stuck in a corner. So let's move on from the 18th century. So we can't quite leave 18th century Corner yet because there's one other piece of research that's relevant that I'd like to talk about. Well, I think we should make it quick because people no one's tuning in for this. Okay? Well, I'm so I'm working article right now about when people were and weren't given the label satirist during the early 18th century and I'm arguing that the deployment of the label usually have more to do with political. Isolation or parts an intent, then it did the question of whether or not the writing. They produce actually was or wasn't satirical. So hopefully it's obvious how this relates to what you just named. So the Tories quickly laid claim to satire as a practice and that's why their best remembered as satirist. So you've got Alexander Pope and Jonathan Swift, but the same time wig figures like Addison and Steele who I mentioned earlier. We're also producing work that meets the criteria of satire, but they're not remembered by history as being satirists. The difference is that they were reluctant to let label their work in such a way less. They be associated with the Tory Aesthetics which are Ready later claimed to satire and their Tory opponents were quick to clarify that you couldn't be a wig and a satirist. Well, so only the Tories were satirists and not the not the wigs at all. That's what they were saying. There's a there's an if you're awake, you can't write Saturday, even if you were technically writing satire. That's the that's the key parallel. Yes. It's because it's a bit like in the present day and it was Boris Johnson. The prime minister of of the countries at the time of recording is a good example because choosing as and when we want to be associated with stutter or actively dismissing legitimate, Being beyond that. I kind of picking picking and choosing. What is it is it's a time when you're going to be associated with it and when you're not isn't it? That's right ends. Absolutely. And that's that's exactly what happens when DM reporter says that you can't be a satirist. If you've been paid to write for the Daily Mail now, I know it's a light-hearted throwaway comment, but this is exactly what's happened in the 18th century. You can't be a satirist as an app open the didn't see that if you campaign for the Hanoverian succession because that means you have a whiggish disposition and wigs don't do satire because Tory's do and it's in Pope's interest to characterize. He's everything that is Tori as not wig and vice versa. So the deployment of the label satirist isn't related at all in either example to the actual content of the material disgusts is all defined by what it isn't really and for convenient means rather than out of any stable definition of what satire is. Yeah. I just thought of that. Yeah funnily enough as well dear reporter said that he doesn't think of himself as a satirist, didn't he? I mean Rupert was doing himself a bit of a disarray. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry reap it. I'm just going to call him Rupert and to Of his anonymity because for some reason it seems like a funny and appropriate name for him. It's but his name is not Rupert. Okay, Carry On said specifically that he didn't consider himself clever enough to be a satirist. So again, whether or not you are a seller to restore the world perceives you as one it is not determined by the extent to which you meet a set of neutral criteria, but it's bound up in a more nebulous sense of what a satirist should be and what sort of things they should be saying how they should be saying them and where they should be saying them. So for Rupert it seems like disaster is It should be a sort of ingenious champion of a certain set of left-leaning values, which he doesn't necessarily see himself as being absolutely and with that right it all home. Thank you Joe. We I think we can now leave 18th century Corner. The headline is the headline is the back in the 18th century. It was important to be mindful that papers that shared a political Outlook and even at times the same Bank of political sponsorship could actually still be quite different from each other and to say that they're all the same is like saying that someone is there isn't a satirist because of some facts are external to the actual content. Whatever material they're producing. Yes, and it's also important to note that it's wig spelled with an H. That's my 18th century contribution Adams 18th century observation corner. I'll tell you I'm glad to be out of that 18th century Corner. I've got all cobwebs everything that that disgusting dirty old boring corner. So without its own charm those it but as basic does have it have its own charm, but let's let's get back to you at to thinking about the now times. Let's go back quite seriously and to talk about what Virginia was actually discussing in that article that we opened because I would imagine there when you were reading out those lines that must have felt quite difficult because there's an anxiety that people might listen and think. Oh my God, that's what that's what Adam Smith thing. Thinks everyone's a snowflake nicely to him anymore. Yeah, it was it was bizarre because I also hadn't really read it before we came in to record it. So I wasn't exactly in that one. Yeah, it's a tricky one, isn't it? Because it's and it's the same with all of this kind of this is Jean Marie of writing and but there is like The Germ of something in it. Yeah. So things like safe spaces are no platforming totally see rationale and the need for them, but I get anxious about the misuse of them or possibly the way in which you know with potentially even with genuinely altruistic intention you Could accidentally do something that shit down discussion or debate or prevented people from it's interesting. So I'm having trouble saying this right now. Yeah, I get anxious about the fact that you know, we in the in the best interests of everyone we could create an environment where nobody has challenged where nobody has to do anything that that stretches our ability and that we accidentally eliminate huge suede's of questions for fear that we might accent encounter something that we're not comfortable with. Yeah. It was really difficult because I know for sure that there are certain viewpoints Certain messages that I have no interest in hearing that I fundamentally disagree with I also know there are certain viewpoints that I do think are actively dangerous and that would concern me to hear for pounded on campus. But those things aren't always the same are they know? There are things I don't want to listen to you and things are much smaller subset of things that I don't think anyone should be saying yeah, but that it is a small group of things. Most things can be encountered can be engaged with can be debated. I think. Yeah, and I mean, I don't want to sound like this person. And when I say this, but I yeah, I went I was an undergraduate not that very long ago these debates weren't as you know prolific but we did have when I was a student was a code of conduct will have a code of conduct now and what that code of conduct did was it protects them from hate speech is protected from discrimination and bullying and obviously those things are the fundamental Bedrock. Everyone is entitled that I think it's even a human right, but when other things are lumped in with those it can lead to a closing down of discussion and lots of things being labeled as fascism. I think I should be clear on what I'm suggesting is that I think this are that this extract incidentally touches upon Two issues that are potentially interesting. I think it engages with a phenomenon that not everybody would wish to acknowledge even is a phenomenon. But then at the same time, I think it's propagating an image which is which is not true, which is that the problem is the so-called Millennials snowflakes. Yeah, that's that's not the issue that's lumping lots of people together as one thing under majority of stereotype and it's detracting potentially from what are the real issues are lying to scapegoat a huge demographic of people. That is bad. Yes, I agree is wrong. Yeah it was Yeah, this interview with Andrew told that we can listen to you now. Yeah, we're actually we're actually lucky to catch underdrawers when he was doing the Edinburgh Fringe Festival. So it's a slightly older interview. So bear that in mind as you listen that timers so we go listeners. We're taking you back in time now to the merry month of August in 2019. Okay, welcome Andrew Doyle. So our first question is what does satire mean to you for me? The did the difference between satire and Just being a comedian I think is explicitly the idea that you want something to get better. I think you want societally or politically or whatever to improve and and you have this view that it can improve through through ridicule mockery, irony exaggeration. All those kinds of techniques but satirists use the example, I often quote because I really like it. Is that a wh wardens distinction between satire and comedy because he said that satire is angry and optimistic because it thinks it's a bad things that it has a go at can be changed and whereas it is good tempered and pessimistic because it thinks that basically we might want to be able to shade everything we can so we just have to make the best of it. I think that's a really good way to distinguish between the two. So for me, I mean, I'm a comedian and a satyr is so those two things to me are overlapping but different so I can write comedy that isn't satirical as I have the many times but I think with Titania and particular I'm very much approaching it from a satirical way when you're when you're being Titania, that's a satirical Persona making satirical points funnily enough in our first episode. The podcast we talked about one of your other creations Jonathan pie and Jonathan pies a bit different isn't because he just gets angry about things that are actually happening. That's not quite satire in the same way as it. No. No, that's that's exactly right. It's not it's not satirical just to shout insults of Tori's, you know, that's not typical. I think the thing is no we were together for three years on that and when it was satirically at its best was examples. For instance like the video on the gender pay Gap when you had Jonathan pie. Into being a feminist and expecting a certain reaction and having his narrative completely thrown. So this was then a satire on on narrative, right? Yeah, or you have the there's a satirical element always in the idea of the the distance between the way that Newsreaders behave on screen and what they're really thinking off-screen so but that's always got a satirical. I think when it's at its weakest is when it is just reiterating and opinion in an angry way because that's not satirical. So let's talk now a little bit about Titania McGrath who just really interested. Ask you about how that character involved where you chose the character you did and whether or not being outed change the reception of that character in any way or if any of that was surprising. Yeah, I mean the whole thing has been surprising really, I mean, I'm not very good at anticipating people's responses. So I don't know I I sort of well for one thing I didn't want to be outed. I was I was kind of I was enjoying the anonymity but also it meant that people were reading it obviously everyone knew it was most people knew it was a conceit character but not knowing And who is behind it? Does I think change the interpretation a bit and so there was a person for us some freedom for that. I had absolutely no intention of being outed. But what happened in the end was a journalist for Rosamund Urban at the Sunday Times wrote a pretty impressive investigative piece where she'd read a lot of my political articles myself chemical articles and made some kind of connection between that and elements of the book even down to sort of quotations. I Chosen and said that it's probably me and I thought that was really impressive actually. Yeah, and then there was a website called shorter that found sort of the smoking. Done. And so then from that point on I felt well I may as well just you know, go on the TV radio and talk about it openly and I didn't want to but I did and that coincided with the week that the book was being released. So actually did help in there because it became the kind of story but the ludicrous element of those is the response to that from so many so many of her critics has been the idea that a male writing for a female voice is kind of I mean, it's been compared to black face and it's as though these people have never heard of the concept of an author writing a script before they've never heard of do. Only inventing a character that isn't exactly identical to them and I suppose that comes out. In fact that they don't like the politics of it and they're looking for ways to attack it. That's that can be my only conclusion because otherwise how can and this smart people but they're coming out with these this these genuinely stupid things. Anyway, the people say stupid things when they're not stupid is if they're so blinded by an ideology be that religion or politics. That's the way I see it. Yeah seems too. That responses to two taenia fall into two quite polarized camps. And the first is a people who respond to her as if she's real and critique are in actually often quite sexist ways and correct her and the other is the response which which objects to that Persona being female and to the problem of a male creating a female Persona. Can you say a little bit more about why why she is female. Why is it Titania McGrath and not Tim because I think part of of the major problem that I see with the kind of modern identity Politics as it as it manifests on the left as opposed to the right means of the the identity Politics on the right is that sort of racist xenophobic thing which we goes without saying is ghastly and the thing about the I was more interested in satirizing. The left is important in politics because it believes itself to be virtuous, but it's actually incredibly damaging and that to me is a more interesting satirical Target and I think part of that is 4th wave feminism which to me is a very Movement and that again it's the hypocrisy of that. I wanted to be able to talk about, you know, you have a victim-centered brand of feminism encourages young girls to to understand that they will always be victims that they would always be attack. They'll be paid less for the same work which hasn't happened for 50 years, but we still telling girls that it will we're all of this sort of stuff that is actually underpinning by a kind of misogyny a kind of view of being weaker of needing these extra protections of not being as robust as men and that To me the opposite of what feminism means feminism to me is about empowerment and about equality and fourth wave feminism is about dis empowerment and is and inequality and so for me, I wanted to be able to include that in my satirical Target and I don't see how I could have done it as effectively she was male, right? So there's a very particular strand of feminism that you were interested in critiquing via titanium as well as all the other aspects of so-called woke politics that you were Keen to critique. Ultimately. I'm interested in deflating pretension and and that's the same for my comedy as well. And I think anyone who's being who has ideas about themselves that are just absurd. It's always good to go after those people and I think the can be nothing more pretentious than a extremely privileged individuals suggesting that they are oppressed. There's nothing more pretentious than that is literally the meaning of potential they are there pretending to be something they are not and it's and it's funny that's always really funny and what you'll find is a lot of the very prominent fourth wave feminists who write for the guardian and complications like that and the new Statesman are from these extremely privileged privately educated. Good background who bang on and on about how oppressed they are and that to me is hilarious and also slightly damaging, you know, because I mean in all of I think what I have in terms of my comedic and satirical targets what they have in common is I go after the powerful I go after people in power and that's a choice. I am not suggesting that Canadians have to do that because Justin that's a choice that I'm just saying that's a choice that I've always made it more interesting to me the thing about the woke movement. It is extremely powerful even though there are a huge minority the degree of power that they have now in society is hugely disproportionate. And it's difficult to address because they believe themselves to be The Underdogs. How do you fight that every day? We see this we see the level of power that people can deny again and again, but it's true. We've just had the advertising standards agency Banning an advert for cheese because it endorsed a certain gender stereotype or that is an implicit of no explicit endorsement of of this woke idea about power structures and the influence of the mass media. All of which is actually been debunked over many decades of research, but it's now it's now just taken as a given this is better. In this faith-based position that the whop whop people have and they've applied it as policies. So this stuff is extremely dangerous because it has so much power and clout and therefore that's why I'm punching it up at these people. Of course, the the misinterpretation is that is you're just having a go at minority group. So it sounds to me like on the one hand you're critiquing a kind of feminism that reads women as still structurally oppressed by a patriarchal society that some might describe as radical feminism, but then actually detain him a graph is not necessarily that kind of Of feminist she is somebody it seems to me who's interested in women as an identity much more. Yeah, it's a mass of contradictions. That's what's so fun about playing you can you can poke fun at all sorts of things and she can even hugely contradict yourself within the same paragraph and I really like that. I think you're I think you're absolutely right about the yeah. The argument that I have individually against for feminine is it is to do with the illusion of structural oppression, but I do consider it a largely an illusion and that is not to say that I think sexism doesn't exist or that Women in certain circumstances are discriminated against because of their gender. That isn't what I'm saying. What I'm what I'm talking about is this exaggeration and this sense in which there is what is a misuse of the word oppression. I suppose is what I mean. No one is being asked for their papers. No one is being asked to nobody's being said you're going to go and work for two pounds while the men do the same job and they get 10 and that's what I mean. Does that is that sort of clear? I'm not talking about sexism to really interesting point that about punching up and kicking down. So I guess when your target is as you Describe their this group of relatively privileged people who are able to mobilize the oppression of others to kind of say what they like and critique what they like because they're in victimhood as you've described is so tacitly built into their their identity in the pose that they're making on social media. It can look very easy like you're kicking down particularly. Now that you've been outed as Andrew Doyle, I mean, it's that as a factor. Is that something you've had to contend with worse than that? It's not even a cynical as you suggest. I mean, I think a lot of this is as I said before, I think it's well intentioned. I think most of the fourth wave feminism Market Eyes are not misogynist. They just bought into a misogynist ideology. Similarly. I don't think that the people who push the idea of cultural appropriation are doing so from anything other than good intentions, but what they are doing is dividing up society and rehabilitating a new kind of races, which this is this is what I find really disturbing about the whole thing. They unpicking all of the work of the Civil Rights activists of the 60s and 70s their undoing all of the work of Martin Luther King talks about the importance of content of character not color of skin and they're doing all this for me. A position of virtue and I don't think it's cynical and I don't think it's malevolent. I think it's misguided and I think it's dangerous and I think it also feeds the far right it gives them everything. They need to give them all the oxygen they need to thrive and I'm not saying that they're responsible for the rise of the far. Right but they are enabling the conditions within which they can Thrive interesting questions here about satire and freedom of speech and the use of personas yours. Obviously be entertaining McGrath. How does that Persona connect with with your position and perhaps Relative privilege in the world. Well, I mean I have got you know, I won't say too much but I have got you know a couple of other personas out there. I'm not out as I think it's interesting to me to inhabit other characters and I think it's the best way sometime to help people to see the way that they are seen by others, even if you hate time there and even if you hate what she stands for part of that hatred might be big that you detect a similarity with yourself and and you don't like seeing it mom in that sense. I think it's quite a useful thing is interesting to think about that. Is it that possibility of people looking at it? Janie McGrath recognizing themselves and doing something differently as a result, which I guess is kind of the ultimate goal for any satirist isn't it? And it probably isn't going to happen. I think the won't move in a to Colts like to sort of immersed in this sort of if I tried to explain to a religious zealot that their God isn't real, you know, I think I think things are harder than that, but what I think it can do is because the woke movement tend to be such bullies and tend to be so vicious and go after people's careers and try to bring people down and and that makes people nervous about expressing. Giving is about their views. So I think what it can do is if you mock them if you show that it's okay to mark them. It does give people kind of permission to do so and I've never had that feedback quite a lot which has been quite nice to hear that people said to me, you know, from what you've done is actually made me. Okay, I'll retweet this stuff now or I'll I'll I won't be afraid to say what I think and that is a real compliment. I really I'm really pleased with that but I'm not delusional enough to think that you know, some woke person's going to read this and think. Oh, no, that's what I'm like, I better change my way. That's not good. Okay, so all satirist want to hold up a mirror and change people's behavior and change their my hearts and Minds if in theory you were able to do that to affect that change to inspire that reflection on the part of the young woke ident Aryans or the readers of the Daily Mail. Which would you who do you whose Minds? Do you want to change? Oh, I think you know, I mean most of my and up and certainly most of the work I did with Jonathan Pie has been mocking the right and most of the work. I've done it two times. Mocking the length, but then you picked up as well on the people who take it seriously and there are still an awful lot. There's rarely a street without some people take it. Seriously the people who take it seriously other right-wing as other usually the Trump supporters, so to end up being able to mock them through to China as well, which is lovely. So so it's about extremes really I do think however, when you talk about the mail email friends it is it's really simplistic and a little stupid to refer to data my readers fascist or to think that the Daily Mail is a flashy scratch or whatever nothing else. It's historically illiterate. You know when people call me right wing or conservative or whatever. I mean, it's not accurate, but I don't take it to heart because I don't get to do those things to be essentially bad thing. I think if I were those things that would be fine. I just I just own the label. I don't have a problem with it. But yes, certainly. I want it, you know, I'll mock anything anything that I think think is pretentious or I think is is misleading or always worthy of mockery and that goes for the right-wing press as much as the left one first, and I've certainly done enough of both, you know, has anyone ever majorly endorsed an opinion that's telling you a shared not realizing that it's Tyra's it's titanium. Got our own fans. Yeah, but they soon realized because everyone passes on and says this is real and I wish you wouldn't do that so much more fun to draw it out. I mean, I've been you know, it's been retweeted by people who are angry about what she said about some quite prominent people which is great and then you know, it's that thing of people keep saying to me, I mean criticism I often get is that there's no one who's really likes tiny that what I'm doing really is a kind of straw man. I'm trying to knock over attack a Target that isn't really there but of course if that were the case and it wouldn't be the case that so many people continually. It's just a couple real life. You'll notice in the book. I've made a very conscious decision to quote genuine activists, but throughout so that you can see that what's Tiny was saying, although it is an absurdist exaggeration with certain antibiotic not a million miles away from what people are saying when Lori Penny says that you know, you shouldn't necessarily be free to say what you want in the privacy of your own house. That's not that different from anything too. Tiny would say and so you can see why people think think it's real and that's disturbing to me that People don't immediately recognize it as a character. So we actually confirms to me the necessity do it. Yeah what you're saying, they're about jokes and people getting them and not getting them ties in really nicely actually to a question that I wanted to ask in relation to you yours or / to Tony his book woke where to tell you is talking about jokes and comedy and one of the jokes that she engages with and critiques is particularly interesting to us because we talked about this in our first season, so I'll just read that joke and to tell you his commentary on it. If that's okay, and then just ask you to talk us through how the satire is working there and what exactly is being critiqued. So she's talking about jokes and making the argument that comedy needs to be purged of jokes that reinforce bigotry and after giving a couple of other examples there is the inverse of Commerce joke made by Frankie Boyle. I have a theory Boyle said in his joke that Jordan married a cage fighter because she needed someone strong enough to stop Harvey from fucking her Harvey. Has some pants attain you glasses this by saying Frankie boil making the misogynistic assumption that a woman would be incapable of fending off her son without the help of her husband is the joke there on people who objected to Frankie boils joke or is the joke on her for objecting to it for the wrong reasons. I mean, what's your take on what Frankie Boyle said? They're my bun personally either. I'm always supportive of comedians when they want to make jokes even if those don't necessarily land or even if they cause a been tight think Frankie boils a very funny comedian. So I and there's something about jokey toll I understand why people would be upset by that Cho and I understand why in particular the people who it's talking about would be upset but I still think he has a right to to say it. I can't even remember what my initial reactions the joke was when I heard I but I do, you know, I do laughs inappropriate things. There's something about that kind of I can't believe you just said that it does generate this kind of involuntary because it sort of reminds us why we don't say these things, you know, I think That's kind of interesting and also it is my view on this if you're if anyone is going to determine what jokes are and are not acceptable. It has to be a matter for the individual conscience of the individual comedian. There are jokes that I wouldn't say and there are jokes that I wouldn't I don't think I could get away with doing and so therefore I don't do it not because I fear of offending people. I don't think I could make them funny and I don't think it could be successful. He's obviously made a judgment he can joke about that and it will work. So that's down to him. You know, that's not a good answer every individual coming. In terms of the Titania satire there. There were a few jokes that all that one which I which is so things like where she where she misread the go. Yeah. So what was the one about for instance Tim Vine? Yeah, it's not Tim Vine. It's there to jokes that received this one though. Yeah. The first is Frank Skinner saying when my wife and I argue were like abandon a concert we start out with some new stuff and then we roll out our greatest hits. She said that is legitimizing domestic violence. That's right. Yes, that's right. Yeah. I'm into that context is because Is some jokes which are clearly joke, she chooses to interpret them literally and then then you have a joke, which is actually potentially offensive over. The other jokes are not a fence and then you take a joke that he's actually potentially offensive and she misunderstands a joke and still gets it wrong. Yeah. It's more about that kind of woke mindsets inability to meet at all engage with what comedy is and to just see comedy as a literal statement of the truth. And and that's something which is which we see pretty much all the time every every day. I mean we even threw it today, so Aaron Banks did a tweet about Greta firm book strip. Jaap Chef America, and he said, oh there might be a pro. Hope there isn't a freak accident or some and it was crass and and it wasn't funny and all the rest of it and a lot of the people are rightly annoyed because it's tweeted directly at a 16 year old girl that does seem to me is something that I was certainly not something I would do but most of the criticisms seem to be Arron Banks wants his girl to die. Arron Banks is just called for the death of this girl. Well, I think we can all agree. He hasn't done that, you know, whatever we think about him and whatever why can't we just be honest and say we felt that joke was Funny and inappropriate is it because that weakens us is it because it makes us feel like Puritans were so we have to lie and say he's calling for the death of a girl even though we know he's not so I think what I'm saying about the boat people is that what willful or otherwise is an inability to understand what comedy is and to understand what folks are that's what I'm that's what I'm talking about in that in that section. It's hardly gets it so hopelessly wrong that you when she actually comes across something that she could legitimately say crosses a line. She only thinks it crosses a line because it because of another it cause you think it's anti-feminist and she misses the whole a bliss element of it. This is about Nuance, isn't it as well as perhaps about mourning the death of Comedy that there is an over use of the word literally, whereby we see a lot of insistence that people are literally saying this when they actually definitely literally not or that things are literally violence, for example, that's what's happening a lot. Isn't it reminded lack of new one and that's why two tiny is so blunt because she doesn't have room for new ones because it's the problem is with that with a lot of work people if the reason why they Debate a lot of the time it's because I think they know that if they were to debate their arguments would fall apart. They have to start acknowledging that there are Shades of Gray and that doesn't work with the cold you could you know, and you can't say you're dating sort of exists it either does or it doesn't it is built on faith. Largely this the faith in these power structures and the faith in this actors potential utopian cute here that we can all achieve only we control the way that people speak and the language they're allowed to me and it will fall apart when it comes into any kind of scrutiny. I think the last thing we want to talk about just before we let you go is that in our last episode? We actually interviewed the person who manages the account at DM reporter which tweets content from The Daily Mail and tries to foreground how funny and strange some of that stuff is but during the interview we were talking about managing different types of persona and how he's managed his Persona and we ended up talking briefly about two tiny McGrath and during that conversation down reporter said that he didn't believe the you could still call yourself a satirist. Now that's attorney McGrath has appeared in the pages of the Daily Mail. Yeah. Well, it wasn't a daily matters mail on Sunday. But that's not secured that you just described is exactly the kind of thing. I'm satirizing, you know, if someone thinks that you cease being a satirist on the base of the publication you write for that is quite funny. That's quite funny thing to say because it's quite stupid and I think the content of the satire is still very obviously satirical. I don't play these tribalistic games a lot of the satire. A lot of the point of Catania is is that is to transcend this stupid political tribalism that we've got kind of division that comes about when people like Owen Jones say anyone who writes for the Sun or the mail is helping fascism or supporting. You're right. I'm just not going to play those games. I'm not gonna do it that the mail is a national newspaper, which is read by a lot of decent people. There are probably some awful people that read it, but for the most part the people who read it or not awful people and the idea that they should be that they shouldn't be reading satirical pieces is it's a totally absurd. Is it a concern for you though that as much as we might want to avoid reductive generalizations and stereotypes about readers of any Ezekiel paper that you might be confirming certain beliefs that male readers have about the young the woke the left that you might be entrenching those beliefs and thus making those readers less likely to be open to hearing those kinds of arguments. I'm a techie a very specific type of person. I mean, that would be a misreading of what I'm doing. I'm so I'm not really concerned if people misread what I do you can't be I think as a satirist or a writer you can't be people have always misinterpreted South Side. That's all part of its effect. Isn't it? I can't be in the business of getting worried about that and then trying to anticipate that misinterpretation and changing my material accordingly. That's that's not how any of us can work. I don't think there are a lot of assumptions made about about these Publications and about what they stand for and they are reductive and they are simplistic. I'm not going to do this guilt by association rubbish. I think the heart of the problems with say the currency of the moment societally other people just aren't talking to each other anymore. And what happens is they just end up Saying that political opponent and they end up arguing it someone who doesn't really exist just this sort of figment of the imagination, you know, this kind of this just Chimera they've created from their minds and yeah, so I will by all means and I do it again. I don't have an issue with them with writing a satirical piece for the mail on Sunday a lot of decent people right for it. We're gonna have to wrap up there, but thanks ever so much for talking to us Andrew. Thank you you thanks for talking about Pete. I appreciate being able to talk talk about things at length, you know, and I like to be challenged as well. Well, here we are back in. November 20 19 and I was interesting wasn't and and definitely I think we were all challenged in that interview. We were yeah, I mean I thought it was really interesting talking to Andrew and I am utterly convinced that Andrew door is a satirist. Yes, and that he is doing satire. He's got a clear Target. He's got a clear rationale and I thought he did a good job of sketching. The intervention is trying to make and can't convince me that satire is actually probably one of the only viable means to make the intervention. Yes. I also thought was interesting talking about nuance and talking about The will to take things literally and I think that not only is that potentially a problem sometimes in general discourse. It's specifically a problem for satire, isn't it? If we can't appreciate nuance and yeah, well one of the things that I found quite surprising and enlightening I was really intrigued to hear more about was the specificity of the Target because I followed the Titania McGrath account for a couple years. Now what hadn't realized is who exactly the target was I thought there was a broader Target which is you know, this kind of call out culture this this sense of piling on to critique people's use of language and and the kind of reduction of big issues down to easily marketable slogans, which then big business can come in and exploit and you end up with things like that Pepsi Max advert, you know, everyone's marching off listening to the latest mainstream hit to go and do a protest whilst drinking that cans of Pepsi Coke and harpsichord. Not only yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so I thought you know, that's a problem. I think that is a way in which real serious long-standing systemic issues can be turned into marketable capitalist and Inches and it often runs the risk of undoing the work that the original calls was trying to do and leads to a really divisive simplistic Society. I think oftentimes it can be as bad to unthinkingly wade into a pile on because 1300 people have said that something that someone else has said is problematic in some way without actually looking at the thing that the person has said and why they said it in the context in which it said it. I think that often the impulse to pile on and the things that come out there pylons are often times worse than the thing that's being said which sometimes can be a Absolutely, fine just taken out of context. Yeah, and you should never weighed into a pylon because it's a big metal structure in a field and you'll hurt your head. One of the things I found really useful and interests in terms of satire and how starter works was looking into some detail at the mechanism and the work behind that joke in Andrews book woke where Titania takes exception to Frankie boils in inverted commas joke about Jordan and her son and actually kind of looking at the rationale behind that and the way that works in the way that works within the Text of the page and the book even if I don't agree with all of the decisions about who to Target for satire thinking about how that bit of satire was intended to work and what point it was making I found that really useful to be able to talk to a practitioner about the tools was that I was really useful absolutely but then finding out that the target is as specific as hundred interpretation of fourth wave feminism. Yeah. I mean, that's what I mean when I say we don't have to agree with everything. I don't agree with all of the the targets that Titania is is satirizing On the subject of feminism. I would say I don't believe we've achieved a quality yet. And I think there is some way to go and I don't think it's always as simple as being able to to go through structures and mechanisms that I can't report a car salesman to the police if he doesn't take me seriously because I'm a woman when I'm trying to buy a car for example, and that's the small thing but it still suggests. We're not all the way there yet. You know, I'll still always be asked if I'm actually mrs. Or Miss rather than doctor. You don't get that no, no. And I totally accept those are relatively small things because of where I live and who I am, but I think it's a bit soon to be saying that the battle is over and therefore feminists risk kind of coming from a place of privilege. But then the point that even with their makes about the way that oppression is represented in can be sort of caricatured and he makes the point doesn't it when he talks about the use of the word oppression the misuse the word oppression again, I don't necessarily agree with the examples that he's saying, but I can see how that could get converted into To a pink t-shirt that says girls rule and you put the new kid and think everything's sorted. Yeah. She's actually the opposite of the thing that yeah, I'm not even supposed to be doing. I'm so there's maybe hypocracy there. That's where satirizing. Well, we're all Hypocrites something. Yeah. Do you what do you think listeners? Yeah. Do you agree? Did you hear anything that you disagreed with? Oh that you want to talk about more. If you do hit us up in our social. Yes ever. Please do let us know if you've enjoyed the episode or even if you've just heard the episode. And also, please be aware that coming up later in this series. We'll be having our first mailbag episode. So if you'd like to respond to any of the things that we discuss in terms of satire or anything that comes up in the podcast and you'd like to have a say please do get in touch and that goes for all of our guests as well. Where should they do that? So here's up in socials at at satire. No more on Twitter. You can find our website by Googling the words satire deaths births legacies, or you can tweet it individually until the next time until the next what's happening. Next time on next time on it during snow is falling all around and it'll be time for for this myth and will Christmas episode which is going to be called. It's a satirical life. So you probably haven't seen the film It's a Wonderful Life put that on your to-do list between now and then so that you'll get the joke. So sit up shut up and eat my satire. See you next time.

In episode 1 of season 2, anonymous Twitter account DM Reporter commented that you can't be a satirist if you write for the Daily Mail. In this episode Adam and Jo talk to Andrew Doyle about that argument, and about Andrew's own satirical Twitter account, "Titania McGrath." Who are his targets, and how does he hope to change their minds? Is there any hope for the future? And exactly what was wrong with Frankie Boyle's "joke" about Katie Price and her son? Listen to the trailer! Listen to the episode! In this episode Adam, Jo, and Andrew talk about: Aaron Banks Alexander Pope Boris Johnson Codes of Conduct Countryfile Cultural Appropriation Daily Express Daily Mail/ Scottish Daily Mail DM Reporter Dear Joan and Jericha The Eighteenth Century Feminism Frank Skinner Frankie Boyle Georges I, II, III, and IV Gender Pay Gap Grammarly Greta Thunberg The Hanoverian Period Horrible Histories Identity Politics Impact Agenda It's A Wonderful Life Jonathan Pie Jordan (Katie Price) Joseph Addison Just Eat Laurie Penny Mail on Sunday Mail Online Martin Luther King My Dad Wrote A Porno No-Platforming The One Show Owen Jones Pepsi Podcast Sponsorship Political Tribalism Richard Steele Rosamund Irwin Safe Spaces The Scourge Shropshire Farm Foods Snowflakes Sodexxo Square Space Titania McGrath Tories Twitter Virginia Blackburn W.H. Auden Whigs and Whig Ministries Woke (Andrew Doyle writing as Titania McGrath) Wokeness and Woke People World War II (bomb shelters and dogfights) Zip Recruiter

So you want to be fluent in English, but you just have so many things to do every day. You can't find the time to study or practice English English is so hard you have been studying this language for a long time. You feel stuck and you don't see results, right? Wrong stick around and discover the ugly truth. Yes. It is the Moment of Truth coming up next. Humans on planet Earth welcome to the gal English. Oh and this is your host gal in this episode. I'm going to talk about 10 ways to keep yourself motivated as you are learning English or any other language listen carefully and ask yourself. Am I doing this? You might find that you are doing some of these things but realize that you still need to do more to feel like you are. On the right track as you walk your way to fluency, but before that have a look at the list of words, I highlighted in the description box below read the meanings. These are the words. I used in this episode this way. You can relax and better understand everything as you listen to it. Don't worry. The explanations are in simple English and Arabic definitions are available, too. Now make sure you take notes. You can do that now or later on when you listen to it again. Are you ready? Alright, let's do this. All right, the following ten tips. I'm about to share apply to me too. For sure. You see I am also a language learner. I love learning new languages. I am currently trying to perfect my Italian and I'm still a complete beginner in Turkish. So I know what you're going through. This should help us all God willing. Ten ways to stay motivated and reach your language learning goals. Number one prioritize. You see we all have busy schedules, but let's be real. We also spend many hours on Snapchat Instagram Twitter Youtube you get the picture. So if you are really serious about About becoming fluent. You need to take a moment and make a list of everything you do during your day be honest. How many hours do you spend on the internet? What are the most important things that you need to do? Those are your priorities now is studying or practicing English on that list if the answer is yes continue listening. Number two create a habit based on the list of priorities that you wrote down plan your week the right way and make a schedule you choose the way that suits you best but make sure that you include the times for example from 10 a.m. To 11 a.m. Practice English and so on. Don't keep it vague habits are hard to change after all those years. So you can imagine that creating new habits will not be easy. But based on a recent study. It is possible. If you continue doing it for at least 66 days, that's like two months by then. You will feel like it's a normal thing to do just like eating sleeping going to the bathroom you I'm trying to say right. Number three don't procrastinate we all watch successful people on TED talks and other YouTube videos telling their stories and how they made it. But have you ever thought about the thing that they all have in common they are not lazy people. They don't procrastinate they don't say that they want to postpone what they planned to do for that day. They are. Persistent and hardworking people. You see no one said that being successful is an easy thing. It needs discipline and determination. That doesn't mean that you can't be flexible. God forbid if you are sick or if there's an emergency, of course, you can go back to your schedule when everything is back to normal, but don't make excuses and break your habit the Habit, you worked so hard to build. Number four create a place for studying and identify distractions studying in the living room with allow TV in the corner is a No-No having your phone nearby with its ding ding and ping ping is a No-No to come on guys. If you're gonna do something do it right. Give it your all this is your time. You want to go deep. Deep and fully benefit from what you're doing. You will have time for your phone. It's not like you will study 24 hours number five set goals. Don't make a long list of big goals. Come on be realistic set goals that are achievable and be clear. For example, I want to learn. Present simple tense this week. I want to be able to make questions positive and negative sentences this way, you know exactly what you need to do. And you know your deadlines you did not say that you wanted to be perfect in the present simple the present continuous the past simple plus 200 vocabulary words plus 50 idioms. Don't forget do it slowly, but surely. Lee also, share your language goals with family or friends they will motivate you when they ask you about your progress. Number 6 be kind to yourself don't be so hard on yourself. Perfection does not exist English is not your native language. So making mistakes is normal think of your mistakes as your best friends, but not forever. They will always be special because they helped you but they should not continue in your life. Also learning a language is a long journey. It is your journey. So enjoy it. it is your little baby growing up in front of your eyes the baby will fall and stand up again as it is trying to learn how to walk and so will your language love it and enjoy every moment number 7 identify what you love and hate about the English language make two lists and then start with the list that you I know but think about it. We all try to avoid what we hate so we won't do it any time soon start with that list and complete it some hate grammar some hate pronunciation lessons. It's different from person to person. Okay, once you do that, it's fun time. You can start to do what you love and have fun. Which brings me to number. over 8 Have fun choose your favorite style of learning some love to learn and practice by reading novels some like to watch movies and series some like to memorize songs and some like to listen to podcasts wink wink. Whatever it is. You will start to enjoy every second as you improve your skills because you did what you hate. Dated first plus your bad feelings your hatred will start to change. You won't hate it like you used to because it's not as hard as it once was you are reading or listening to it. So many times that it's starting to come naturally to you like it does in your native language. Hey, why is it so easy in your native language, huh? Because your repeat it so many times so Now you can just build your vocabulary and not focus so much on grammar. For example, if that's what you hate about English. So you will not do the things on the list you hate forever. It's just a phase number 9 keep yourself motivated get inspired by watching successful people on YouTube or by reading a quote that touches your Her heart, you see we get inspired when we finally understand something. It was not so clear in the past, but we understand it now. So save your favorite source of inspiration and read it or listen to it. When you feel low. We all had our reasons to learn the language at first, but with time our enthusiasm starts to decrease so Every now and then you will need to redefine your purpose by setting new goals. For example on the weekend. I want to watch a movie without subtitles or I want to have a conversation in English with the waiter. This will keep you excited and motivated. And last but not least number 10 reward yourself. Once you achieve your mini goal do something that makes you happy you could buy those pair of shoes. You have always wanted you could go out with friends and do something fun together. I don't know what it is. But you do so do it it could be as simple as sitting in the park or at the beach drinking your favorite beverage and listening to your favorite song. Feel good about your achievement and celebrate it. Here's the list and this is how you pronounce the words verbs apply go through motivate motivate motivate prioritize pry or ra ties prioritize create create create. Suit procrastinate Pro crass tn8 procrastinate postpone postpone identify identify identify benefit benefit benefit. Perfect. Perfect memorize memorize repeat repeat decrease decrease redefine redefine reward reward Inspire Inspire celebrate celebrate. Nouns priority pry your Rooty priority schedule schedule schedule discipline discipline discipline determination D etre me Nation determination emergency aim. emergency emergency, excuse-excuse distraction distraction deadline deadline journey journey progress progress Perfection Perfection wink wink phase phase enthusiasm in Foo xia Zim enthusiasm inspiration inspiration. Port support beverage beverage beverage achievement achievement adjectives real real honest honest vague vague recent recent recent successful suck cess full successful persistent / sis assistant. Assistant hard-working hard-working flexible flexible flexible realistic real a realistic realistic achievable, uh, Chiba bull achievable. adverb currently current Lee currently One last thing don't forget you can do it if you only give yourself a chance. Thank you so much for listening and until next time.

🔅Verbs: 🔹️Apply to: to have a particular connection to someone or something. To have an effect. ينطبق على 🔹️Go through: to experience يتحمل, يكبد, يعاني 🔹️Motivate: to give someone the reason for doing something يُحَفِّز 🔹️Prioritize: to decide that this is the most important thing you need to do يرتّب أشياء بحسب الأهمية 🔹️Create: To make something. To cause something to exist يبتدع , يخلق , يعمل 🔹️Suit: to be right for someone or something يلائم , يناسب 🔹️Procrastinate: to delay doing something until later يماطل 🔹️Postpone: to delay an event and plan or decide that it should happen at a later date or time يؤجل 🔹️Identify: to recognize and correctly name someone يحدد (هوية) 🔹️Benefit: to profit from something. to receive an advantage يستفيد 🔹️Perfect: to improve. To make as good as possible يحسّن, يتقن 🔹️Memorize: to learn by heart. To learn something so you can remember it exactly يحفظ 🔹️Repeat: To do/say something more than once يكرر 🔹️Decrease: to make or become smaller or fewer in size or amount ينخفض 🔹️Redefine: to make people think about something in a new or different way يعرّف/يحدّد من جديد 🔹️Reward: to give something in exchange for good behavior or good work يكافئ 🔹️Inspire: to make someone feel that they want to do something and can do it يُلهم 🔹️Celebrate: to do something enjoyable in order to show that an occasion or event is specialيحتفل 🔅Nouns: 🔸️Priority: The most important thing on your list. It is #1. أولوية 🔸️Schedule: Timetable, Plan, Program جدول 🔸️Discipline: Training people to obey rules انضباط 🔸️Determination: The action of continuing do to something even when it is difficult عزم 🔸️Emergency: an unexpected and difficult or dangerous situation حالة طوارئ 🔸️Excuse: an explanation or reason for doing something wrong عُذُر 🔸️Distraction :something that turns your attention away from something you want to concentrate/focus on. إلهاء 🔸️Deadline: the time by which something must be finished or completed. الموعد النهائي 🔸️Journey : travel from one place to another, especially when there is a long distance between the places. رحلة 🔸️Progress: the process of improving or developing something over a period of timeتقدُّم 🔸️Perfection: the state or quality of being perfect. كمال 🔸️Wink: to close and open one or both eyes quickly غمزة 🔸️Phase: a strong feeling of excitement and interest in something مرحلة 🔸️Enthusiasm: a strong feeling of excitement and interest in something حماس 🔸️Inspiration: someone or something that suddenly gives you new ideas for doing something إلهام 🔸️Support: help or encouragement الدعم 🔸️Beverage : A drink شراب 🔸️Achievement: a thing done successfully with effort, skill, or courage إنجاز 🔅Adjectives: 🔹️Let’s be real: Let’s be فلنكن صريحين/ صادقين 🔹️Honest: Truthful صريح, صادق 🔹️Vague: Not clear مبهم, غير واضح 🔹️Recent: happening or starting from a short time ago أخير, حديث 🔹️Successful: when you achieve success. When you get the result you wanted ناجح 🔹️Persistent: When you continue doing something and never give up مثابر 🔹️Hardworking: When you work hard, with a lot of energy and effort مجتهد, دؤوب 🔹️Flexible: When you are ready and able to change مرن 🔹️Realistic: When you understand what can and cannot be done because you understand and accept the reality of a situation واقعي 🔹️Achievable: able to be brought about or reached successfully ينجح، يحقق النجاح 🔅Adverb: 🔸️Currently: at the present time حاليا 🔅Phrase: 🔹️God Willing: Hopefully. If God wills (wants it to happen) إن شاء الله 🔹️To get the picture: Understand the situation (informal) يفهم الفكرة 🔹️To make it: to succeed in doing something. To reach the place you wanted to go to on time ينجح, يصل في الوقت المحدد 🔹️Have in common: to share the same interests or have similar characteristics. They are alike. يوجد لديهم أشياء مشتركة

This podcast is brought to you and made possible by generous financial aid from Peter kanzler K. Ay n z l-- e-- r-- you can buy his Amazon books at your favorite Amazon Branch, for example, the original texts of lock Hobbs and the US Constitution of Pennsylvania put together into one book for only $15. Thanks for listening. so last time we talked a little bit about The state of the world of belief I suppose by the end of the 19th century and I talk to you a little bit about Nietzsche and Dostoevsky and Kierkegaard. A very large number of the clinical theories that we're going to be discussing for another two lectures after this one have been influenced by philosophers. And that's partly why I'm also talking to you about the Philosopher's it's almost as if in some sense the great philosophers, have our tap directly into the lower strata of are our cultural systems of meaning as they move forward in time and they can outline what those structures are and also describe their weaknesses and their strengths and their likely Transformations moving forward. You know, I mean obviously people can be behind the times and just as it's just as probable that some people are ahead of the times and we would assume if you're thinking about it say from a big five trade perspective that the people who are ahead of the times often are very very intelligent and very very open. And of course that's a pretty good definition of a philosopher. So Nietzsche and Dostoevsky, I think more than any other two thinkers. had their finger on the pulse of the transmutation of cultural systems of meaning in the at the end of the 19th century and they were both very concerned about the fact that the systems of meaning within which Western Civilization at least had taken shape had been fragmented for a variety of reasons. The most important of which was likely the rise of the scientific worldview. And as I detailed to you in the last lecture. both Dostoyevsky, and Nietzsche believed that that had left modern people because I think in the early 20th century, it was Western people, but now I think it's reasonable to say that it's modern people in a state of their there are cultural discontinuity that things belief systems, but also technological systems now have transformed the world so radically that the conflict Between modernism and traditional forms of belief is acutely felt everywhere. It's certainly I think one of the forces that have given rise to the battle between Islamic fundamentalism and modernism because it's more that than a battle of Islamic fundamentalism against the Western world. And the problem fundamentally is that people typically exist within cultural constructs that are very very ancient and that have that are grounded in in evolved systems of meaning that are even deeper than the ones that are articulated and explicit and when there's a period of very very rapid cognitive and technological change than the Integrity of those systems starts. It starts to become questionable from an explicit perspective, but it also be starts to become insufficient from a practical perspective. So one example that you might give some consideration to is the fact of the introduction of the birth control pill. For example, no one if you listen to politically minded people They make the case that the emancipation of women was essentially a political matter, but I don't think that that's a very reasonable way of looking at it at all. Of course the things everything feeds back onto itself and there are multiple causal Pathways to any end the radical element in the emancipation of women was of course the development of deficient forms of contraception. most particularly the birth control pill and it's the case that as soon as you educate women anywhere in the world. Not only does economic productivity rise dramatically. In fact, it's actually the best predictor of increase in economic predict productivity in a modernizing state is the granting of rights to women now, whether it's directly because of the granting of rights to women or because of the existence of an underlying belief structure that allows the concept of right to expand quite rapidly. It's very difficult to be sure of but in any case that exists and then of course the other thing that happens is that And stop having children unbelievably rapidly. So for example, I think I believe it's Iran. Where this has been most Market over the last two generations. So from family size is far greater than replacement to family sizes. Well below replacement in basically one or two generations. It's a massive transformation and it's not necessarily something that anyone expected. It's part of the sequence of forces that are Rapidly allowing our population to reach a peak and then either stabilizer decline. I don't know how many of you know this but the projections are that they'll be 9 billion people on the Earth within 30 to 50 years and that will be our Peak population after that. It will fall rapidly and you know, you can see that sort of thing happening right now all over the Western world and it's happening a lot in China and it's happening in Japan where you know, there are more older people than there are younger people because the younger people aren't having Enough children to actually replace the population. So the probability that will Peak at about 9 billion and then start to fall it's not certain but that's what the best projections seem to indicate now. So what happens anyways with in periods of very rapid technological and and cognitive transformation because those things go together that the certainties upon which people base their interpretation of the world and even more importantly base there. Judgments about how to act start to become uncertain. So for example, if you introduce the birth control pill into a population and you put women's reproductive faculties under their own voluntary Choice, then you radically transform virtually all of society's fundamental social structures not least marriage and marriage of course is being regarded classically as the foundation of civilization. Ation, and of course increasingly, there are more people who aren't married than there are people who are married now. It's very difficult to know what to make of that because of course, there's no setting the clock back and It's not even clear that you would want to set but back the clock if you could but expecting cultural constructs which takes centuries or maybe even thousands or maybe even tens of thousands of years to develop to keep up with change of that magnitude is it's not possible, you know, I mean and you guys face technological Transformations that are earth-shattering on an almost yearly basis and you hardly even notice it I mean Tinder is a good example of that. You know, I don't know if you know, but Tinder is produced quite a spike in sexually transmitted diseases, but you know, it's a radical technology because it's the first technology that's ever been invented that enables men to find partners with no fear with virtually no fear of rejection. And of course that's been a limiting factor for that's been a defining feature of the interactions between men and women ever since history began. And so these things are occurring At an extraordinary rate and of course, it's it's not reasonable to expect are more slower-moving cultural constructs to keep up with them and that's partly because as well that you know, people talk for example about the divisive nature of religion. You often hear people who are critics of formal religion in particular talked about the fact that religion under wise underlies a tremendous amount of Destruction and warfare and conflict. And you know, first of all, it isn't religion that does that The way it's tribalism and tribalism characterizes even chimpanzees and I don't think chimpanzees go to war with each other for religious reasons. So, you know, the religious groupings of mankind are large-scale manifestations of the same phenomena that produce dominance hierarchies in the wild and of course large-scale religions unite people within the religion just as much as they divide people on the outside of it so part of the accumulation of religious tradition across time. Time is a process that allows thousands and ten thousands and even millions of people to exist within the same hierarchy of values and exist relatively peacefully as a consequence. Now, I'm saying relatively peacefully, you know a hundred years ago. It was thought that Pre let's say let's say archaic people. So those would be people who are still living a fairly isolated tribal life in small groups pre you know, basically operating at the level of Stone Age Technology. Let's say the idea was there was a very popular idea for a long time that those cultures were communistic and violence free and that's wrong. They're not violence-free at all. If you track the homicide rates in Stone Age cultures their way way higher than they are in civilized. Just like orders of magnitude higher and there's a variety of reasons for that. But I'm just telling you that because you want to dispense with the idea that along with complex civilizations and the Sprint say of unifying religious beliefs. There was an increase increase in Baseline violence because there's just no evidence for that at all. Now the problem with these large-scale belief systems is they're not very fast and part of the reason for that is that in order for a large-scale belief system it I meant to to manifest itself. In any reasonable Forum, it has to be predicated on the mutual agreement of the people within whom within who operate within its embrace, you know, so for Toronto to exist as a city has a peaceful City. Basically what has to happen is that the vast majority of us have to agree that the rules that govern the city and the social interactions within the city are useful and Last and because if you don't agree with that then Splinter movements of all start start to occur and people become more revolutionary in their modes of action, and then they become more violent than the whole system starts to break down. So it's not easy to establish a collective, Norm Because people have to agree to it and you can imagine that hammering out agreement with anything with even a small agreement that affects many many people is a process that takes a tremendous amount of time people can argue forever about the smallest alterations in the systems that regulate our Behavior now, you know, some of you might be familiar with the terror management theories how many of you have heard of Terror management Theory? Okay. Well the terror management theories are predicated. On the idea that our belief systems protect us from our fear of death now exactly how they do that isn't specified particularly. Well in the terror management theories, but the originator of the theory whose name was Ernest Becker who was a sociologist by the way and a Freudian believe that cultural systems enabled us to attribute beliefs to our actions finite and infinite so that we could consider ourselves in relationship to Eyetality and in some sense hide from the truth of the final two of our existence. Now one of the things the terror management theorists don't really give any Credence to is the fact that belief systems are not only systems of belief their systems of action regulation. Right? So we've talked about the PS Yeti and notion of a game the game exists first as something that everyone can play and only later as something that people represent. Social culture is the same way the cultural culture regulates the way that you interact with each other and what you expect from each other and how you can fulfill your Mutual your needs in relationship to one another and then it's represented and the representation might help you find meaning in your life, but the fact of the initial social contract which is the phenomena that regulates your interpersonal Behavior doesn't protect you from the fear of death. It protects you from dying. And and that's a very important thing to note. I mean, you know all of you know, of course that's very cold out today and yet here you are in this classroom where it's remote ridiculously comfortable, you know by classroom standards and of course by standards around the world and you're not freezing to death in here and that's not your belief that's protecting you it's the fact that you're embedded in this insanely complicated system of cultural interactions, and it just so happens that you get to sit here. Listen to a lecture. Well, there's thousands of people beetling around many of them outside in the cold making sure that the power grid for example that keeps this place warm is properly maintained and functional which takes a tremendous amount of work. So when in during periods of Rapid transformation, it's hard for the social contract to adjust itself so that everyone knows how to behave in relationship to one another but then it's also very difficult for the description of that. So the articulated Norms that constitute a society it's very difficult of them to transform rapidly enough so that they can keep track of the of the changes and help people decide what they should do. So, let me give you an example. So I had a client who while back who had been raised as the fundamentalist Christian and she was very she had been socialized and had come to believe that Sex before marriage was wrong, but the probability that she was going to get married before she was 27 or 28 was low for a whole variety of reasons. And so then she faced this conundrum and it was an interesting conundrum my perspective because you know, I think that in a well-regulated psyche sexuality is integrated into the personality so that it's so that it plays its role in the what would you call in the polity of the self? It's integrated properly inside and so it's under moral control roughly speaking because it serves its own function plus the function of keeping the person well situated in the present and developing properly in the future and maintaining proper relationships with everyone around them, but it was quite obvious to me that a lot of the constraints that had been placed on her behavior as a consequence of a relatively rigid belief. We're actually interfering with her development as a person. And so one of the things we had to puzzle out was well exactly. What are the moral guidelines that you should use to regulate your sexual behavior outside of marriage, if you're not planning to be married for you know, maybe until your late 20s. Well, you know, good luck trying to figure that out. Like it's a really it's a really really really really complicated question and it's certainly not obvious that any one person can figure out the answer to that in a single lifetime, you know, even if they thought of nothing else especially because the landscape itself is transforming as you're attempting to adjust to it, you know, when we eventually concluded although it was a very individual solution. We eventually concluded that there were things that she had forbidden herself to do that were stopping her from establishing any kind of long-term relationship at all, and that that was interfering with her development, you know as a mature person and that the morality that she had used to structure her behavior appeared to be Counterproductive at least you know in some in some areas. So it's one thing to you know to to regulate sexuality in the hopes of marriage when you get married when you're you know, 19 or 20 or 21. It's a completely different thing when it's perhaps not going to happen until you're in your late 20s. So now need shit talked a lot and Dostoyevsky talked a lot about the collapse of meaning systems in the late 19th century. And you know that was followed by a Rivera very rapid period of technological transformation like that really kicked in in the late 1800s, which was the you know, the well was in the height of the Industrial Revolution particularly in England and there were modern Technologies being Thrust out of the Industrial Revolution like mad like the automobile and the airplane and the electric light. and recording devices and all of the things that we're still elaborating on now and then of course apart from the collapse of classic say Christian belief and the introduction of all these new technologies when World War one hit the entire monarchical structure of the Western World collapsed and that also occurred say with regards to the Ottoman Empire and that was partly what led to the creation of the modern Middle East and of course, we're still that still hasn't been sorted out to any great degree at all. So the monarchical structures collapsed these ancient civilizations the Russians, Underwent their Revolution and we're you know, and we're transformed into Communists and then after World War 1 the stress between the potential different ways of structuring societies after the Monarch achill societies had collapsed was almost unbearable and people didn't really know what to do. Now. What happened at the end of Nietzsche's period and and Osteo skis period was that the question that both of those people What the most important question both of those people ask became the central focus of the development of philosophical ideas of Ethics in the 20th century. So you could think about those as about as a kind of a post religious ethic now, the reason I'm telling you this is because among other things is because a lot of what cycle analytic or psychotherapeutic treatment is about is about ethics and that can't be dressed too much because ethics is about how you see the world and how you behave and so even behaviorists who are technically embedded in the scientific world are still pregnant practical ethicists because what they're consistently doing with their clients is breaking down whatever the problems are that are causing the misery breaking them down into sub problems and trying to figure out solutions that improve their quality of life, like practical implementable solutions that improve their quality of life. Not only now but as they propagate into the future and that is not a scientific issue. It's a how to live issue. So the entire history of the 20th century in some sense political economic and psychological was a sequence of attempts to answer the question when your fundamental systems of Ethics collapse, how is it that you should live? Now Nietzsche said very clearly that there would be two consequences to the collapse of these systems and one would be nihilism the belief in nothing at all, which he also regarded as a form of escape from responsibility. So it's a logical consequence of the breakdown of classical belief systems, but it's also a cop-out and it's the kind of cop out that Dostoyevsky explored very deeply in his small brilliant novel Notes from Underground which describes a person who's basically slipped and intellect intelligent person and an irresponsible person who's basically slipped into a pit of meaninglessness where he experiences hatred and resentment in the desire for revenge and all of the sorts of things that would afflict someone in the Underworld who's got nothing to hold them together and then course Nietzsche also talked about the likelihood that people would turn to totalitarian belief systems such as and he particularly discussed communism as a replacement for disbelief. I can give you a Canadian example of that. So I heard a Gallup poll stir one time. I was at a conference in Ottowa. It's the only time I've ever heard this and I think it's an amazing. It's amazing fact, they were looking at the probability that people would be separatist in Quebec. And if you are lapsed Catholic the probability that you were be a separatist was increased 10 times. And the reason for that is, you know, Ted what system fell apart in Quebec in the late 1950s it was one of the last places in the Western World roughly speaking where the feudal in some sense structures of Catholicism had maintained themselves right up to that point right up to the 1950s late 1950s and that collapsed precipitously just like belief in Christianity had in Russia, you know in the late say 1880s and what happened in Quebec was well first of all the birth The rate plummeted. I mean I did genetic research in Quebec and in the 1950s and before that it was very typical to see families of 9 to 13 children and of course, but now Quebec has the lowest birthrate. I believe in the western world. It's way below replacement. Everybody bailed out of the church. Nobody gets married. And if you were a separatist if you were a lapsed Catholic you were 10 times more likely to be a separatist. What all that meant was that when Catholicism fell apart, you know people who still needed to have restructured belief systems just turn to nationalism as a natural alternative, you know, and that's part of what if that's part of what accounted for the rigidity and utopian the utopian the utopian nature of the Quebec movement towards independence, you know, I remember talking to one of my colleagues very very intelligent person and you know, I asked him because at that point they were predicting that if Quebec separated, The Canadian dollar would fall to 40 cents 45 cents us something like that be complete economic catastrophe. I said, well, you know, the predictions are that if Canada separates at first of all or Quebec separates and no one would know how to do that is the Canadian economy will collapse and of course that will collapse the Quebec economy to and he didn't deny that he said yeah, but it would be worth it and I thought well, there's just no way of having a conversation under those circumstances because from my perspective total, you know. Veer economic collapse is a good reason not to do something. But if you believe that the Pope the future potential is such that that's Justified then well, there's no arguing with you. It's just something that you decided and that's the end of that and when I lived in Quebec as I did for a long time, I learned very quickly never have a discussion about politics with anyone who is the separatist because it was just absolutely counterproductive, you know, they had axioms of belief that were movable like the Future will be good enough so that no matter what price we pay in the present that will be justified. Just like well that's not an idea. Right? It's a statement of faith and you saw exactly the same thing happening not with the same principles. I'm not saying that but you saw the same thing happening from a psychological perspective in Russia, when the Communists, you know, when the Communists really started to become active in the 1920s when any manner of horror whatsoever was fully justifiable because it was going to bring about some future state that basically equivalent to Paradise so anyways, so and then you know Dostoyevsky pursued the idea of nihilism even farther because Dostoyevsky was certainly someone who was willing to go to the ends of an argument and one of the things he proclaimed was that if there was no God than anything was permitted and his basic hypothesis was well as if there's no ultimate Arbiter of values if there's no Transcendent Arbiter of values, then your radically free now, you know the existentialist I would say well you could use that radical freedom to find meaning in your life. But one of the things Dostoyevsky realized was that you could use that radical freedom for anything that you wanted and so in his book crime and punishment, for example, he explores the actions and beliefs of a student named raskolnikov and raskolnikov is a starving student. He's a law student and he doesn't have enough to eat. So of course he's his cognition is a little bit on the addled side because he's going through periods of starvation. And drunkenness so it's not like he's thinking that clearly he wants to become a law student so that he can help society and he finds out that his sister is basically willing to enter into a Loveless marriage and more or less prostitute herself so that she can generate enough money to share with her mother so that they can fund his continuation through law school and he thinks that wouldn't be a very good deal at the same time. He is indebted to a pawnbroker who everyone hates who is an absolute. Miserable person in every possible way in ostia is he sets up the situation like that. So the pawnbroker has a nice if I remember correctly who she basically in slaves and Miss treats and she squawk squirrels away all sorts of money, but never does anything with it lives in absolute poverty. And anyways, he considers her the sort of person without whom the world would be a better place. So having all of these things Co occurring in his imagination he decides that be Because there are no ultimate Arbiters of value that all morality is essentially cowardice which is kind of the reverse of what Nietzsche concluded see said most people were cowardly and Justified that with their morality but responding to call took the other idea, which is well, why do I have to obey any rules at all? If there's no ultimate source for any of these rules? It's just convention and cowardice and and if I have enough strength and I can leave outside of that framework and I can do whatever I want. So he decides to kill the pawnbroker which he does and quite successfully and not only that he gets away with it. And that's about the first third of Crime and Punishment. And the rest of the book is that the discussion of the manner in which he comes unglued as a consequence of having performed this act and it's it's a brilliant. It's an absolutely brilliant study of the way that value system holds you together even in ways that you don't know. And then if you step outside of that and violate your relationship to it in some really intense way then there's going to be catastrophic psychological consequences that will echo through your whole being we know that this is more than Theory. Because many people soldiers in particular who develop post-traumatic stress disorder develop post-traumatic stress disorder when they observed themselves doing something that they regard as tremendously cruel or vicious or immoral, you know, and they're in the situation where you know acting that acting in that manner is highly probable. It's a war situation usually very intense and you know, they don't have a lot of time to make decisions and God only knows you know, The specifics are of the particular event, but many many people come to be. So Shattered by observing themselves do things. They can't believe that a human being would be capable of doing that. They never recover and it's partly because you know, they violate their their ethical the ethical structure that holds them together holds all their ideas and their their plans and their perceptions and their interactions with other people. That's a unified field. Add in some sense and if you violate it and it fragments, then you're left absolutely fragmented. And that's not that's not even a psychological observation. It's a psychophysiological observation. You can stress yourself. So badly raise your stress level so high that your brain starts to become damaged by the stress hormones and you know, so it's not just a psychological State. It's its damage to the core of your being in some sense. now the collapse of these belief systems and their destabilization was well thought through by these thinkers by the end of the 19th century and then we have the technological Transformations and the and sociological and political transformations of the early part of the 20th century that leaves everyone in a state of confusion in some sense like in Germany in the 1920s course, the Germans had gone through this terrible period of trench warfare, so they're all their men were brutalized. Some of them had been on the front four months and that was in the trenches and then, you know, their political system and collapsed and they put a week weekly rooted democracy in place and then the economic system collapsed and Germany went through a period of hyperinflation. So that money the value of their money basically dropped to zero and so that meant that if you were 65 years old and had saved up your whole life to have enough money to retire and we're a good citizen, you know and prudent and careful every single thing you ever own disappeared. And so at the same time, you know, the Communist Revolution had taken place in Soviet Russia, and there was great concern within Germany that the same thing was likely to happen there and certainly the Communists were always pushing for that because they had the comintern which is the international communist movement, which was devoted towards destabilizing, you know, non-communist governments and and producing the preconditions for the revolutions. It wasn't was it like it was just paranoid. It was a real threat and it was out of all that mess that came the emergence of the fascists and the Nazis and it's not that you know, it's not that surprising because chaos breeds the desire for order. And so that was what that was One Direction that people could go, you know, instead of following an abstract from Messiah. Let's A the sort of idea that was embedded in classical Christianity. They realized the new Messiah not was Hitler and that certainly didn't seem to be any Improvement, you know, and because Hitler was really a messiah of Destruction and fire and you know, the World War II killed about a hundred and twenty million people and of course it left Germany in absolute rooms Hitler killed himself in his bunker underneath Berlin while it was burning in the Russians were advancing into the you know into Germany and they were not happy. He didn't want to be a German National. Well, the Soviets were advancing towards you after your country after your country to invaded. There's a push them back halfway across the Soviet Union, you know and produced a tremendous amount of damage and and distress. It was an awful situation, you know, and the Messiah is that the Russians turn to Lenin and Stalin were barbaric and brutal Beyond Comprehension, you know, and it's a strange thing. You know, we're not very well educated in what happened in this in the Soviet Union in the 20th century. We know far more about what happened in Germany say with the Holocaust and know it's very important that people should know about that but there were tens of millions of people brutally destroyed in the Soviet Union and you know partly because they were murdered by people who were at least in principle motivated by left-wing utopian Visions we seem to our education System seems to regard that as somehow more forgivable which it certainly isn't so, you know, the whole the whole generate secular alternatives to religious belief issue didn't seem to work out very well. And then the nihilism alternative. Well that has its own problems. You know one problem is the sort that Dusty Esky talked about, you know, and you see the kids who go up and shoot shoot up high schools and exploding rage. Age, you know, they're often people who feel that they have no meaning in their life that life itself is contemptible. And that suffering is too extreme. And that there there there they bear the brunt of unfair reality and you know, they develop unbelievably dark and and destructive theories of Revenge and Mayhem over sometimes over the period of years and then they go up in the world and lay those things out and it's not like they're thinking is irrational. You know, it's coherent. It's just predicated on principles that you might not agree with such as you know, the principle that everyone that I don't like deserves to die, but you know in the absence of a really formal way of demonstrating that such thoughts are not only immoral but wrong, you know in some absolute sense. It's very difficult to come up with ways of Defending ourselves against those two extremes, you know, the extremes of destructive. I'll ISM and the extremes of ideological session now Nietzsche has started to work out some some solutions to this and I just started to touch on those at the end of the last lecture. You know Dostoyevsky solution was a return to Christianity fundamentally and it's revivification. And that was the same tack that Alexander solzhenitsyn attempted to lay out and also Tolstoy in Russia, you know, and I'll talk to you about that a little bit more in the next lecture Dusty or Nietzsche's idea was that people would have to he said, you know, when his quote about the death of God that people would have to become like Gods just to be able to tolerate the consequences of this. dismemberment of the previous civilization and he believed Well, his thinking on this I would say is somewhat fragmentary. I mean Nietzsche was a great critic of Christianity institutionalized Christianity and a great diagnostician. He could say what was rotten at the core of Western Civilization will say modern civilization, but when it came to actually describing what to do about it, well, he didn't live that long, you know, he died a fairly young man. There's actually a video of meet you in the mental hospital online. I And at the other night, I have no idea that he was ever captured on video. But there's video from movie from about 1899 showing him in the mental hospital where he ended up in his early 40s. So he talked about the development of the of the being he called the over man, which is often translated as Superman and his idea was that people would have to take on to themselves the the burden of creating new systems of meaning and And new morality he's that were suited to them that they would have to create new values. Now you took Nietzsche's diagnosis very very seriously and you can you can certainly say that you was as much influenced by Nietzsche as he was by Freud and I would say in some ways. He was influenced more because one of the things that young was trying to do was to identify where the Lost values had gone. So the nietzschean idea is that it's possible for human beings to create their own values. Now there's a problem with that and there's a variety of problems with that and one is that it's it doesn't seem exactly true in that, you know, and a lot of the existentialists who followed me chair like Jean-Paul Sartre for example believed in the radical freedom of human beings that we were we were doomed to be free in a sense. And that was absolutely necessary for us to conjure up our own meanings and values because fundamentally we Face the void and You know life was nasty brutish and short to use Hobbes terms and that we had to be able to confront that and live despite it and well, there's a variety of problems with that solution. The first one is well, if you come up with your system of values, there's no reason and I come up with mine. There's no reason to assume that they're going to be sufficiently integratable so that we don't have to fight each other to the death. That's a big problem. So, you know, you'd have every single person with their own system of beliefs. Well fine, except how do you know that in the sense? That's a structured kind of philosophical Anarchy. Well, okay, maybe that's good if you happen to live alone on an island, but if you're stuck with all these other people then that becomes a very difficult thing to manage and I think it's partly for that reason that Sartre famously said hell is other people, you know, because he thought of the other in some sense that which was not him as an oppressive force that stops Him from manifesting his Destiny in the way. That would have been best for him. Well, you know, he'll might be other people but that doesn't mean that first of all that's a very one-sided way of looking at things because of course hell is other people hell is you to when you know, he'll is nature. There's lots of places you can find hell but by the same token, you know, the most meaningful elements of people's lives are often their social relationships and you can't lay everything out the door. Of pathological Society, you know when we shouldn't forget as well. That's Sartre didn't what come up with any reasonable critique of the Communists until the late 1960s by you know, but that was a little late people with any sense. Like George Orwell had figured out that the whole Soviet experiment had become radically murderous by the early 1940s. And so Sartre, you know proposed radical Freedom as a as a As the existential response to the unveiling of no meaning but when it came right down to it, he couldn't resist identification with a totalitarian structure. So I don't see any reason why we should really pay any attention to what he had to say. So now there's another problem with the idea that people should create their own values and that is that it's not so simple, you know, and the problem seems to be is that you don't obey yourself very well, you know, you can say well Here's my code. I'm going to live by it. So and week let's do that. Simply to begin with you say well, I'm going to study very hard and do well at my classes just for the sake of argument, you know, but you don't, you know, you procrastinate and you have a paper you're supposed to read and you know, you're supposed to read it and you need to read it for reasons that are even hypothetically important to you. But there's no damn way. You can get yourself to sit down and read it your attention wanders and you go to do three or four stupid things and you feel terrible. Bill about it. Like you feel like you're betraying yourself and maybe this is a continual pattern in your life. But one of the things you find out is that you don't get to create your own damn values because for some reason you're not in charge of yourself, and of course, that's where the psychoanalytic idea start to come from, you know Freud notices. This is in the aftermath of nature that you're not the master of your own psyche, you know that there's there's many sub use inside of you and they don't all want the same thing. And so the that you can generate your own meaning is very it's an insufficiently developed idea because there's a lot of meaning making generators residing within you and not only do they not all point in the same direction, which is a huge problem, but they don't even necessarily they don't necessarily lay themselves out in some integrated fashion across time and they don't necessarily operate together in a way that's going to enable you to To find your place with other people and in society, so, you know make your own meaning well, which part of you you know, you're not a unified thing. So that's a big problem. And then all these other problems just remain unaddressed completely. Well one answer to that and this is the answer that the more radical existentialist took as well. Society has to be reconfigured but you know, we kind of know where that leads to when people are doing radical societal. And at least as far as we've been able to tell most of the time that's an absolute murderous catastrophe. So, you know, it's reasonable. It seems reasonable to me to presume that that those experiments have already been run. All right. So now you like Dostoyevsky was very interested in returning to sources of meaning from which he believed that our original religious ideas had emerged and this is partly his Notion of the collective unconscious. So, you know part of the radical critique of religious systems is predicated on the idea that there's something like conscious beliefs, you know, they're articulated beliefs that you could lay out in a CREDO, but but that's not right. It doesn't seem to be correct at all. And Nietzsche actually knew this he knew that a lot of our social institutions had emerged from the bottom up and it only become articulated after they'd been embodied and danced out. Essentially, you know, you are a tribal group learns how to organize itself over thousands and thousands of years of trial and error and pushing against each other and so forth and they come into that tribal grouping with a biological substrate and their sociological and political interactions are constrained by all of those things. And then maybe they come up with a description of that over time a self-description and an articulated representation and that's the religious system. It's not that the religious system is thought up first as a system of metaphysical presuppositions images and dreams then turned into rules then imposed on the population who then obeys it and generally speaking when people criticized formal religion. They criticized it assuming that that's how it had developed, you know, and that's kind of a Marxist idea. For example, that religion is the opiate of the masses and that, you know, the religious structures were laid out so that a small Elite Control the population now, you know in virtually every domain a small Elite emerges that dominates the population. I don't care what domain you look at. So Marx is accurate in that way in that, you know, there's always a power imbalance between Elite minority and at non-elite majority but to say that That's the cause of all the systems that people interact with in is well, it's it's unsophisticated beyond belief. What it does is it takes phenomena their complex beyond comprehension and reduce them to one thing. It's not helpful. Like, you know, here's an example. If you if you sampled popular songs on the on YouTube, let's say you made a graph of how popular songs were. What you find. Is that about 10 songs at any given time are played. Half of all the songs played at any given time are going to be one of 10 songs while and then with the other thing you'd find is that half of all songs played are played by one or more of 10 musicians. And that's true no matter you know, if you look all the way from the 1930s to now if you look at popular music, you see the same thing almost everything that almost everyone listens to is created by very few people and then there's millions of musicians, but you've never Heard of most of them and you'll never hear a song for most it's a small minority and what you see is in any field of creative production. This happens a small Elite emerges and dominates the entire landscape now, you know, it's kind of it would be kind of ridiculous to assume that the 10 most popular singers and musicians that are currently operative were those who gave rise to the system that allowed them to thrive. I mean, obviously that's a Dopey idea. And it's no more an intelligent idea of when you look at any other domain where there's tremendous variation and the emergence of an elite. It's a very common phenomena. It happens. As I said, it happens anywhere there's creative production. So that's why one percent of the people, you know, roughly have 50% of the money. It's no different in in other creative domains now, we'll talk later in the course about why that happens but to think it's because those people set up the system so that they Thrive is well. There's an element of that obviously because once you're rich you're going to prefer political policies that help you stay rich, but that doesn't mean that you set up the whole damn system that made you rich to begin with plus it's not the same people over any reasonable span of time. So the one percent of people who have most of the money, it's always one percent, but it's not the same people, you know, each individuals tend to hold onto money for very short periods of time. Current and big companies don't last very long, you know, they last on average about 30 35 40 years and that's it. Then they disappear. So it is because you know, the economic landscape is just churning like Matt. It's very difficult for a company to you know, there's not that many big steam coach companies anymore, you know, and and nobody makes Zeppelin's and nobody makes typewriters and you know what I mean is things move quick and just because you dominated the landscape at one particular It doesn't mean you're going to be able to do it that the next so alright. So the create your own meaning thing is a rough one. And then there's another problem to which is what makes you think you have enough time. you know lots of times people come to me and they have relationship problems and part of the problem is that they've set their relationships up outside of social norms, and they do that, you know, so they'll say something to me something like well we are not going to get married because marriage is just a piece of paper which is really a stupid thing to say like it's an incredibly stupid thing to say but underneath that there's this idea that they want to remain free of social constraints so that they can negotiate their own way like if you're Them credit for you know wanting Freedom instead of just escaping responsibility. But the problem with that is it's like, okay good luck to try it. I don't know why you would assume that you have enough time in the 30 or 40 years that you're going to be pursuing relationships to actually figure out how they should run. You don't have a hope of that and it's worse to because very very few people can negotiate, you know, because the here's the way it works. You either adhere to the social order or you stand outside of it as soon as you stand outside of it, you're in a chaotic place because there's no guidelines and then you either live chaotically because there's no guidelines or you start to formulate order but to do that. You have to know what you want and you have to know how to express it and then you have to figure out what your partner wants and help them express it and then you have to negotiate In a solution. Well, I would say one in 20 people know how to negotiate. It's really really difficult be mean just think of the steps. First of all, you have to know what you want and then you have to admit it to yourself. Well, yeah, right like you can't you're not even going to get to the first one in all likelihood. What do you want? A lot of what you want can't be articulated. Even you know, I'll give you an example. So there's a great study done a while back on the prediction of Mayor of relationship longevity. Okay, so here was the question. How many negative interactions do you have to have per set of positive? Sorry how many positive interactions per negative interaction? Do you have to have with your partner in order for the relationship to remain stable? Okay. So let's say you have one negative interaction to everyone positive interaction. Okay. Well, maybe have 10 negatives to every positive then you can imagine a different situation where you have a hundred positive 2 1 negative right spanning the whole potential continue. And you use that to predict relationship satisfaction and Longevity. Well, you might think well God, obviously a hundred positive 2 1 negative is where is the preferable ratio? And so it's those people who you know, their relationship is nothing but constant compliments and Bliss. They're the ones who last it's not true. What you see is that there's a there's a an optimal inaudible ratio domain if it falls below 5 to Positive to negative then your relationship falls apart. It's too negative and it's partly because people feel negative emotion more than they feel positive emotion because you can be hurt more than you can be pleased and so one that's only five to one is to punishing and people won't won't stay in it. But if you get above 11 to 1 it gets not punishing enough. And you think well, what does that mean? Exactly? Well, what do you want a relationship? Well, you think Bliss it's like that isn't what you want as it turns out. It's more like you want someone to contend with, you know, you don't want to push over. You don't want everything just to be easy, you know in this is the sort of This sort of phenomenon that Kierkegaard was talking about when he talked about deciding to make things more difficult for people because that's what they need, you know, you know this perfectly well because if you go out with someone and they worship you and they don't on your every word and there's nothing but positive feedback coming from them you lose respect for the most instantly and you go wander off and find someone who's more interesting and part of the reason for that. I think is that you want the person that you're with to challenge you so that not only do you Do reasonably well data gate day together, you know so that you can coexist in the same space with a reasonable amount of Peace. But you also want there to be enough tension in the relationship so that you're both involved in a process of mutual transformation. Well, try specifying that in an articulated way, you know, good luck. You know what it also explains strange things about people like the fact that they'll stay in pretty negative relationships. Like what the hell are you doing there if you'd Kick, you lated it two years ago. And you said well, I want to be with someone. I'm miserable with half the time. Of course, you're never going to say that but it could easily be that that's what you're after so well, so, all right. Now Heidegger is another philosopher who was attempting in some sense to solve the problems that were laid out by Nietzsche and Dostoyevsky and the way that hiker Heidegger. it began to resolve them was by taking a radically new look out philosophy itself and He was he was he was one of the Prime phenomenologist sand. I told you a while back that the phenomenologist say decided to reconstitute Western philosophy. So that was focusing on being instead of knowledge. And so the hardest thing to grasp about the phenomenologist is what exactly they meant by being and so I'll give you I'll give you a overview of that. So that's where the termed as sign comes from. And that's a German term it means being there. So right now you're encapsulated in a design and the design is the totality of your experience, and that experience would be an experience of the extended world the natural world and then the social world and then inside that the world of your subjective experience and that constitutes being and the phenomenologist smake the case. They're not playing this subject object game. They're standing. Outside of the division between subject and object that's part of the scientific world view. So it's a real paradigm shift in that you can't use the rules from the old way of looking at things inside the new way of looking at things you have to start with new presuppositions. So we might say well one of the things that you're going to do if you look at things phenomenologically is to assume that everything that you experience is real. So so then we would say that there's no attempt in a phenomenological world to reduce pain to something material pain stands as stands itself as a phenomenon so does anxiety. So does Joy all the things that scientists of Consciousness call qualia which are viewed by them as qualities of the objective world aren't viewed that way by the phenomenologist. They just say those are primary elements of So it's a very interesting way of looking at things because it kind of allows you to reclaim the validity of your own experience. You can no longer say well that's only subjective. Now. That doesn't mean that everything you claim subjectively is true all objectively or for other people what it does mean is that everything that you experience subjectively is real now, that doesn't mean you you have to not think about it or take it apart or categorize it. Properly you still have to do all of those things. But you're you're put into a place where there's no need to deny the reality of your own experience or to subordinate it to something else. So for example, if I'm doing dream analysis with someone which I do often if people dream because dreams as young pointed out are there they are their manifestations of being you don't come up with them. They appear to you. Sort of appear out of nowhere in some sense. They manifest themselves. They do it strangely be and I think the reason for that is that they contain unarticulated thought but if you can get a handle on them and assess them then sometimes they can tell you things that there's no other way you can figure out and what's really cool about them. Is that they're they have the same personality as phenomena in the like the broader world of experience have you know, you don't ever think about the truth of a chair? It's just there and dreams are like that. They're just there and if you can untangle what they have to what they indicate then you can get a take on your own experience. That's not Altered by any of your local subjective wishes and desires. I hate to use the word subjective in this sort of context. So phenomenology is the study of being now now and in being there are a variety of aspects and so one aspect. I never remember the names of these but I'll get it here right away. Oh, yes. Heidegger broke the world of experience being into three basic categories. There was the umwelt which I think is basically the world Beyond culture and the individual there's the mid welt announce the world that we share with everyone else. So that's roughly the social world in the social structures and then there's the eigen value which is that domain of experience that's unique to you that other people can't partake in so those are the elements of being as far as the Just work concerned and in those domains of being different experiences manifest themselves. We talked about some of the ones that would be manifestations of the eigenvalue out scientists would call those things emotional or motivational States normally people think of them as feelings. I would say I feel thus I feel such and such and those are experiences that that manifest themselves to you or that you have depending on how you look at it that are indicative of the manner in which you should act in relationship to being now. One of the part of the reason that this is relevant to psychotherapy in particular was because the the phenomenologist were very interested in the manifestation of meaning so you could say well nihilism is the absence of meaning and totalitarianism is the fixed adness of meaning right? If you're a totalitarian, what you do is say all meanings exist in relationship to this structure. It's almost as if from the phenomenologist, Say you're trying to reduce the the umwelt which is the natural world the myth weld which is the social world and the eigenvalue which is your own world. You're trying to reduce all of that to the MIT. Well, so that everything falls under an explanation that's granted to you by some higher authority. And and then of course the nihilists are are having none of that. They see they they they use their eigenvalues. I would say their own world to invalidate meaning in any domain. Now the phenomenologist would say well it's a mistake to use your rationality to undermine the the sense the manifestation of meaning and I can give you an example of that. So let's say you're a good nihilist and you think that maybe you're going to go do something difficult like put yourself through University and then you think in a relatively but depressed state of mind. Maybe you encounter some obstacles of one form or another and you think oh to hell with this whose What difference does it make anyway, who cares if I go and get my degree, you know, none of this knowledge is particularly relevant or meaningful and Who the hell's going to know the difference in a million years. And so you think well, that's a perfectly rational dismissal because who is going to know in a million years or let's say well even if you could make a case that someone might know there might be some effects left of you in a million years, then we'll just multiply it by a hundred thousand and go to a trillion year. So here you are you're just little tiny Speck on a slightly bigger Speck in the middle of a galaxy that has God only knows how many billion stars and then there's a billion of those galaxies. Although there's way more than that and they're spread across this tremendous expanse of time and in the face of all that who cares what you do. Well, what a phenomenologist would say is, okay. Let's look at how meaning manifests itself when you alter your own. Private World in a variety of manners. So let's say You're trying to do something. Maybe you're working in a maybe you're working as a volunteer in a hospital helping sick kids, you know, you're reading to them so that they're distracted from their pain and you say well in the trillion years who's going to know the difference and so you think well, it's meaningless to do this. The phenomenologist would say if the frame of reference that you're using like if you're if you're imposing if you're transforming the way you're being manifests itself, so that it becomes more. Meaningless and observed then you should try experiencing it in a different manner. So it's a seat because a rationalist in some sense the phenomenologist a rationalist can't deal with the argument. What difference is it going to make in a trillion years and here you are a little dust Speck among all these other just bets. It's ultimately meaningless a phenomenologist would say maximize the meaning That's the that's the marker of Truth. It's a completely different way of thinking about it. So he would say for example that if you're going to a hospital and you're reading to sick children that the frame of reference that you should use the way that you allow that experience to manifest itself should be such that the experience manifests itself so that it is meaning full as possible rather than his meaning less the idea being that just because you can Twist your own experience. So that certain elements of your being become meaningless does not mean that that's right. The fact that it becomes meaningless actually means that it's wrong because you think you see It all depends on what you allow to be primary and this is the phenomenologist point. If you allow your strict rationality to be primary then if it can attack something and destroy it then that thing is worthy of being attacked and destroyed but if you flip it around and you say well what you should be doing is allowing is interacting with your experience or allowing your experience to manifest itself in a manner that situates you most Fully in the Here and Now whatever framework you're using to do that that works is right. Let's completely different way of looking at things and it's a real it's a real escape from the pathology of rationalism, you know, because it isn't obvious that what you think should take priority. Now the phenomenologist would go farther than that. They would say that and this is something so here's a way of thinking about it. it So Binswanger said what we perceive our first and foremost Binswanger was a psychiatrist who is very much influenced in swaggering boss where the people are going to talk about. Mostly we're very much influenced by I to Gary and ideas and say what we perceive our first and foremost not impressions of taste tone smell or touch not even things or objects but meanings Okay. So the idea for the phenomenologist is that what being is made out of his meaning? It isn't that the objective world is made out of things. It's that being is made out of meaning now. Some of those meanings can be positive and some of them can be negative and some of them can be neutral but the fundamental constituent elements of being the fundamental constituent element of being is meaning and then there is an argument between Binswanger and boss about how that meaning manifest itself. So Binswanger would say that You and Dau meaning on the world. So that's kind of an Ichi and idea that you create your own values so that you have within you something he called an a priori ontological structure. It's a world design or a matrix of meaning that determines how the world manifests itself to you. Now the easiest way to think about that is that you know, you're thrown into a particular time and place that's another existentialist idea. And that's part of the absurdity of your life is that you're here now in this particular Euler context and situation it's something you have to contend with and that's true for everyone there arbitrary preconditions to everyone's being and one of those arbitrary preconditions is the structure through which you look at the world and that structure enables some things to be highlighted and some things to be ignored. And so the way that meaning manifests itself is a reflection of this a priori ontological structure the a primary mode of being so there can't be being Which is say your experience for the sake of argument without the structure that consists of you that you can system. And so that's a given and it's the action of that structure that determines the meaning of things now boss would say exactly the opposite he would say, that's the wrong way of looking at it. You should look at the totality of the Your Existence, which is partly The broad natural world the cultural world and your own world and you should note that meaning arises in different places of its own accord. You can't you can't reduce it to the action say of this ontological a priori ontological structure. And so one example would be well, what about the meaning of things you don't understand? Well, it's hard to understand how the meaning of things you don't understand can be attributed to what you understand the meaning seems to be there to begin with. So here's an example your you have a relationship with someone and you discover that they have an affair. Well, the discovery of the affair is going to be something that's meaningful. Now. You don't know what the meaning is. You're going to interpret it to begin with likely very negatively except to the degree that part of you would like to escape out of the relationship. Right because sometimes if you're betrayed you're happy about it because it's time for that to be over with but in any case there are things that you can encounter that you don't understand that are meaningful in and of themselves. So I think that you actually can't separate. Your structure from the structure of everything they're always interacting and meaning emerges out of the interplay of those. So here's another way of thinking about it you reading a book. The book is Meaningful. Where is the meaning? Is it in your head isn't in the book? Well, it's very difficult to say right because obviously there's a subjective element to it. There's an element that's unique to you. But just as obviously that meaning wouldn't manifest itself if it wasn't for the book and of course the book would be meaningful if you end the book weren't embedded in this complex structure. And so the meaning is an emergent property. The meaning is an emergent property of the interplay of all. the elements of being that's a very interesting way of looking at things. So you have all these elements of being and their dance produces meaning of one form or another now, you might say if you were a phenomenologist that some of that meaning is going to be life-sustaining and some of it is going to be life-destroying and the phenomenologist would say from a clinical perspective that you're if you're if you are if you exist in a system of meaning Revelations that are life destroying that you should turn your attention. Wave from them towards meetings that are life-affirming and you know, one of the things that's quite interesting about the phenomenological perspective is that you can experiment with it quite easily. So I could say to you for example a couple of phenomenological experiments one would be for the next two weeks. You want to detach yourself in some sense so that you're curious Observer of your being, you know, not necessarily trying to direct it. You know, you're just trying to let it unfold and then what you might want to watch for is when the meaning that manifests itself as as things flow around you is clearly meaning of the life-affirming type now you'll see that you know, it depends on how well situated you are in some sense because if you're if you're surrounded by If your experiential field is primarily negative, these are going to be relatively rare events, but they will still not be non-existent. They might only happen for a few seconds or a few minutes every day or every two days but so say, okay, you notice that all of a sudden you're in a place where things are the way you would like them to be so you could say you're in a place where being is manifesting itself as acceptable. Okay. So that's a place where nihilism is not appropriate. It doesn't apply because of the quality of the experience. Ian's is such that it's life-affirming. You have to notice that something that happens and then you might ask yourself. Well, okay, what are the preconditions that enabled that? What are the preconditions that enabled all of the different sub elements of being to work harmoniously together at that time in place? So that that was the meaning that emerged and then the next question might be how would it be possible for me to allow that to happen more frequently. And so you can tilt yourself towards life-affirming meanings and away from From say meanings that are associated with despair nihilism, but you do that partly. It's almost like you're navigating in a boat. In fact, I think you are. I think you're navigating to find the line between Order and Chaos because that's where the meaning is. That's exactly where the meaning is and you can feel it like it's a place and that's the other thing the phenomenal just to try to get across these things are real. They're not secondary manifestations of some deeper reality. They are reality itself. I So think and we'll talk about this more when we get to the neuropsychological portion of the course that your brain is actually set up first and foremost to detect meaning you detect meaning before you detect object. And it's partly because you have to detect meaning so that you know what to do when something happens very rapidly and there are times when you have to figure out what to do before you have enough time to even see what's there. You just don't have the time. So, you know part of the question is well, what exactly do you mean by meaning? You know, I think meaning is significance for Behavior or significance for the structure that governs Behavior, but those are very very basic fundamental perceptions their they're not you see Object and then you derive the meaning. It's exactly the opposite many cases you perceive the meaning and derive the object and there's plenty of neuro physiological evidence for that. For example, you have lots of you know, your retina is a pattern detector and the retinal information is transmitted to your brain along the optic nerve but the optic nerve branches and it goes lots of places in your body some of it Maps right onto your spinal cord so that your eyes can make your body move. Some of it maps onto your amygdala so that what you perceive are the meanings of facial expressions without even perceiving the face so you can have people who have blindsight a damaged visual cortex. You can show them angry faces, which they say they can't see but they'll respond to them electrophysiological e it as if they're being exposed to something negative and it's because the retinal pattern is manifesting itself right onto the system that map's one form of meaning so you can clearly have meaning without Without object perception and so the idea that you derive the meaning from the object you see the thing and then you attribute meaning to the thing that's that's right at some levels of analysis, but it's wrong it many other levels of analysis. So The other thing I think that you can try that's phenomenologically informed. This is quite an interesting trick. It can really it's really hard on you those. So be careful if you try this. So what another thing you could try for two weeks is to watch what you say. You've got to detach yourself again. You have to remove the belief that your thoughts and you are the same thing. And then you have to watch Mostly what you say and then you have to see in this is something that Rogers would also be an advocate of you have to see if what you say makes you feel. what you have to see if what you say improves the quality of your being or makes it worse and you know, if you stop believing in what you say and watch what the consequences are instead how it manifests itself in terms of a transformation of being then you can also learn how to only say things that improve the quality of being well, that's a good thing if you can manage it, but but it's terrifying in some sense because one of the things that you'll find is that hardly anything that you Say does that most of its neutral but a fair bit of it has exactly the opposite consequence it makes things worse. So I think I mentioned that the word phenomena that's where the phenomenology the term phenomenology comes from. Obviously that term phenomena means is from the Greek word faintness thigh and famous thymines to shine forth. And so the phenomenology is phenomenologist argument is that like being is made up of meanings that shine forth for you and that those different meanings attract you they're like, they're like guideposts that you can follow so you know what, Notice this for example in relationship to reading so I'll be reading a complex text and some passage will really strike me so it manifests itself as meaningful. Why is that? Well, you know, one of the phenomenologist which would be being Binswanger would say, well it's because of the way that I'm structured but boss would say well no it's a dance that's occurring within the structure of everything and the consequence of that is the manifestation manifestation of this meaning Well, what I found is that I can follow threads of meaning through books. You know that it's like it's something that's guiding me that sense of meaning and often if I find something within a book that's meaningful. Then I'll read the other things that that person wrote and all see that some of the people that they read have meaningful things to say and then I can Branch out that Network and it's it's following a pathway that's laid out for you in some sense that's laid out for you in the world. And you know, the phenomenological idea is that if you follow that pathway, then what happens is being becomes more and more integrated around you. And those experiences of of intrinsic meaning start to multiply and increase in intensity and you know, if you're able to do that over a long period of time, then you can get more and more of the totality of your being revealing the kind of meanings that stop you from being either nihilistic or totalitarian. So well, that's the basic that's the fundamental theory of phenomenological Psychotherapy. You know, we might first say well, you know, you're depressed and anxious and your life isn't going very well what keeps you afloat? It's something to observe and then we might say, well are there ways that we can expand that small area that's keeping you afloat so that it starts to occupy more and more of your experience and push back the it's that are either neutral or negative and you know, it's a It's in large part a consequence of attention and and and willingness to first of all treat things as if their meaning is real and then second to allow that reality to transform the way that you experience things in the future. See you Thursday. This podcast is brought to you and made possible by generous financial aid from Peter kanzler K. Ay n z l-- e-- r-- you can buy his Amazon books at your favorite Amazon Branch, for example, the original texts of lock Hobbs and the US Constitution of Pennsylvania put together into one book for only $15. Thanks for listening.

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Hello everyone. Welcome back to astrology Now podcast. My name is Christine Rodriguez. And this is 2019 s first full moon forecast, which I am really excited about. So we have the full moon coming up the full moon will take place on January 21st, 2019 at about 12:16 a.m. In the morning. Soearly on January 21st And so the full moon is when the moon is at its brightest. There is no obstruction. The Moon is showing complete light reflecting from the Sun. So the sun and the moon are opposing each other in the sky and the moon will be in the sign of Cancer specifically in the nakshatra of pushia. So this is going to affect everybody differently depending on where you're moving. Is and what your rising sign is? Okay. So if your moon is in cancer and this full moon is happening cancer. It's going to affect you much differently than if you're moon were in say Sagitarius. It's just going to be a little bit different. So if you want get out your chart go on Google Google your Vedic calculator your Vedic astrology chart calculator and it should bring something up and keep in mind. This is The Vedic sidereal zodiac system and Western astrology. It's going to be a little bit different So moving forward with the full moon in pushia. So pushia is a very auspicious sign. It's known as being one of the most friendly signs. It's actually its symbol is the utter of a cow. It gives nourishment. It gives sustenance. It feeds everybody. This sign is typically seen as the teacher or the counselor of the Gods. So it's a highly respected sign Giver of knowledge. It's also indicated of hospitality and as I mentioned earlier friendship, so it's a great time to set intentions around friendship. It's a great time to really evaluate friendship during a full moon. It's not super auspicious to get into arguments are get into fights and especially with this nakshatra of pushia. It's a great time to re-evaluate your relationships. To re-evaluate your friends the people that you surround yourself with your in complete control of the company that you keep. If there are relationships in your life that are keeping you from being your highest self or your best self and maybe they bring negative influences. This is a really good time to take a look at that. And as usual, the full moon is a great time to release things that are no longer serving you so it's at its brightest point. It's about to begin to wane releasing it releasing energy releasing light. So it's a very auspicious time for letting go and letting go in order to connect right as soon as we let go as soon as we release and we open up there's always something that comes forth. We gain something always so it's creating space to let Anu Building relationships new fulfilling friendships or maybe just harboring and really nourishing the great relationships that you already have but it's a great time to assess. It's a great time to nourish. It's a great time to do good things for other people service very service oriented doing kind things for other people. So what else is happening in the night sky on January 21st. There is the Sun Mercury and K2 and they're super close together in the sign of Capricorn. So this is a great time to start a new hobby to learn something new to maybe begin and academic Pursuit. Actually. It's a great time for learning. There is a sign exchange happening between Scorpio and Pisces and so on. Sign exchange means that the ruling planet of each sign switches vice versa and houses. So let me try to break that down a little bit more for those of you who may not know what I mean. Each sign is ruled by a planet. So Pisces is ruled by Jupiter. Scorpio is ruled by Mars. Assign exchange means that Mars is now in Pisces and Jupiter is now in Scorpio. So they're swapping their house rulers. So this creates a really powerful energy and a powerful exchange between Scorpio and Pisces Scorpio and Pisces are both water signs. This is high intense emotions. It's a time again to re-evaluate your relationships. It's a time to face your fears Scorpio can bring up a lot of Eddie and a lot of fear and Pisces brings forth this courage and confidence with knowledge. So it's a great time to look at the things in life that may be holding you back from your dreams and finding ways to overcome them because you will but you have to acknowledge the issue you have to acknowledge. What is holding you back before you can conquer and then once you see what the underlying issues are you can come back with your courage you can. Come back with your knowledge and your wisdom and do what you need to do to move forth in your life to move forth to your higher self to be the person that you want to be. It's a really powerful time. Saturn is still in Sagittarius. If you don't know a whole lot about Sagittarius, you can listen to the Sagittarius episode. I posted this is no joke. This is a really powerful time to look at what is important in your life what you want to hold on to and what you want to release. I think that this is all I have for the full moon forecast. So once again, my name is Christine Rodriguez, this is astrology now. If you want to hear more about your chart where planets are in your chart, or how a full or new moon is going to personally influence you you can set up a consultation with me. You can go to my website inner knowing dot yoga. There's no.com its inner knowing dot yoga. You can also email me directly at Now podcast at gmail.com and my Instagram is listed in the descriptions if you would like to follow me there. Thank you so much for listening and happy full moon the first of 2019. Bye.

The first full moon of 2019 is coming up on January 21st, 2019. In the sidereal zodiac system, the full moon will be in the sign of Cancer. Specifically, in the nakshatra of Pushya. Pushya is all about nourishment, friendship, hospitality, academics, and service to others. Being in the full moon, it's a great time to really evaluate relationships. Which relationships in your life are serving you, uplifting you, and helping you connect with your higher self? Which relationships may enable bad habits or contribute to personal detriment? Is it time to release relationships that no longer serve you? There is a lot of energy right now astrologically that is supportive of evaluating things/people in life that you want to keep and things/people in life that may be time to let go of. It is a time where what is weak will shake and break and what is strong will be solidified and last for a long, long time. No one knows what is best for you better than you do. Be honest with yourself. Listen closely to your head and heart. It's also a great time for acts of service, sharing knowledge, and nourishing yourself and others. There are lot of other powerful things happening in the night sky that I discuss in more detail in this episode... I hope that you enjoy!

Hello, my darling. I need to tell you about our sponsor anchor dot f m. Anchor is a podcast creation and distribution tool. And it gives you everything you need to record edit. Plus they'll distribute your podcast to all of the major channels including Spotify Apple podcasts and Google podcasts free of charge you can make money with no minimum listenership and it couldn't be easier. Download the anchor app or go to Anchor dot. F m-- to get started. Sweet dreams. Hello, my darling. I am so glad that you are here tonight. And I have something very special to share with you. This will be part formation and Bart story. So I want you to my back. and relax and let me tell you. A little story chronic pain can be one of the most difficult things to endure in life. You hurt everyday for no reason at all. You wake up feeling completely unrested and your mental health begins to suffer. You can only endure so much in the level of pain that you experience becomes your new normal. This is your life. You hurt everyday and you get through every day. As best you can you begin to feel isolated and you stop telling people about it and you might even put on a brave face because that too is your new normal. You think that no one wants to hear about your pain because you begin to feel that your pain is all you talk about. You don't want to be that person that is always complaining. We're always bringing up. How are you hurt? And there's nothing anyone can do about it anyway, so they don't need to know but then you have bad days. D so bad, you can't get out of bed. And your mental health drums dangerously. You just want to sleep and you just want to feel rested. You just want to wake up and feel like a normal person without hurting every day. And the bad days are made worse because you've grown use to your normal bad days. You'd give anything to have your normal days back. You can't imagine making it through this bad day and your mind might go to Dark Places. You might even begin to question your sanity that you might begin to think but the bad days will never end, but you are not alone. You're not alone. I'm going to tell you a little bit about myself now. Because I feel that this topic is so important. And it's so close to my own heart. When I was in the United States Army. 16 years ago. I suffered a fairly devastating injury. It was during a training exercise and several of us fell from Victory Tower. It was about 20 feet high. And I fractured my pelvis. And severed some of the nerves in my lower spine. I also had stress fractures in my legs and back and it's been a very long road to Healing. and every day though I walk normally. And I look normal on the outside. And I smile and I'm positive and I always ask my friends about their day. I'm always hiding my level of pain. My Level that is now normal to be in excruciating pain and to find it normal. And then I have bad days to wear the normal level. Seems so desirable. And I do anything to have it back. And it's really hard. I know it's hard and I know it's hard on you. But you are not alone. I understand. And I want you to know. And every day is a new day. That you are okay. You get stronger every single day. You are stronger than you know and stronger than you'd ever give yourself credit for your strength comes from your ability to cope even on those days. When you think you can't cope any longer within you is an incredible power to survive. And work through very difficult times. I want you to remember this on the bad days. I want you to know that you are an incredible force and you have Incredible strength that you can get through this. and anything and when times are dark and you feel more down than you ever have in the past, I want you to remember that you are not alone. Myself and others we all suffer. And we all deal with the same highs and lows, but we can draw strength from this college because it means we are not know. And you are not alone. And we are stronger because of this. And now I want you to relax. I know that actually relaxing might be very hard for you. It certainly is for me, but trust me you need to find these moments to relax. To take care of your mind and your body. It is a very small thing. But as you know, small things can really add up relax. Close your eyes lay back and squish your body down. It's a good comfortable and your chair for your bed. for your blankets relax your toes first. And your ankle and the calves your legs. All the way up to your thighs. I'll give you your shoulders a little roll. And relax your arms down to your fingertips. I want you to imagine a little ball of light emitting from each finger tip before relaxing that finger entirely. Whatever time. relax each finger Unclench your jaw and give me a little smile. You can relax. You are safe. You are okay. You are okay to take this Moment by yourself. No one needs anything from you right now. I'll take your left arm and hold it lightly across your stomach take the fingers of your right hand. and gently Trace words on your left you can trace whatever you buy. But I'm also going to tell you what to trace will start with the word happy. Trace each letter Hey. a pee pee Now trace the word. Peace. See you are happy and you are peace. I'll chase the word love. Oh. trace the word safe you are loved by me and by mothers. And you are safe. Now before you drift off to sleep tonight, I'd like to read you a few affirmation that I've chosen for you. Keep your eyes closed. Imagine that I am gently playing with your hair as I read each affirmation to you. I believe in you. faith in you you beautiful. inside and out you are strong. You are worthy. You inspire me? And you inspire others around you? You deserve love. compassion and empathy You Are Not Alone You can be at peace. And you can be yourself. always matter to me others around you you deserve a rest. and relaxation you deserve these small moments in your day. It's okay to let bad memories and bad feelings. and bad people you deserve people that make you feel safe. and valuable and wonderful. And you never have to apologize for being yourself. Or finding peace or happiness in something. My darling you. can relax you are very safe here. And you are loved. How very sweet dreams? Good night.

ASMR, soft spoken with thunderstorm in the background. Whether it be mental, emotional, or physical, chronic pain is a brutal weight to endure, especially alone. But - you are never alone. And right now, you might not feel okay, and that's okay. Because being okay will come. I promise. This audio is very personal and intimate. I share details about my life with chronic pain and I share support and understanding to help you get through your dark days. With chronic pain, we have a level that we consider 'normal,' and we have days where that level skyrockets and we feel trapped and isolated by that pain. I want you to know that you are not alone, even on your darkest days. I also share a relaxation exercise and personal affirmations to help you find comfort and relaxation. This audio was created in honor of ASMR Saves Lives and is intended to give you a bit of peace on dark days Tingles App: tingles.app.link/Tome-by-Tome-ASMR Podcast: www.anchor.fm/tome-by-tome-asmr YouTube: bit.ly/youtubeTomebyTomeASMR Twitter: twitter.com/PamMcElprang Sorrow of the Dragon Gods: amzn.to/2E6CT2v Intro of the audio: Chronic pain can be one of the most difficult things to endure in life. You hurt every day for no reason at all. You wake up feeling completely unrested and your mental health begins to suffer because you can only endure so much. The level of pain you experience becomes your new normal. This is your life. You hurt and you get through your day as best you can. You stop telling people about it and you might even put on a brave face because that too is your new normal. You think that no one wants to hear about your pain because you begin to feel that it is all you talk about sometimes. You don’t want to be that person that is always complaining or always bringing up your pain. There’s nothing anyone can do about it anyway, so they don’t need to know. But then you have bad days. Days so bad you can’t get out of bed and your mental health drops dangerously. You just want to sleep, you just want to feel rested. You just want to wake and feel like a normal person without being in agony. And the bad days are made worse because you’ve grown used to the normal days. You’d give anything to have those normal days back. You can’t imagine making it through this bad day and you begin to go to dark places. You begin to question your sanity and you begin to think that the bad days will never end. But you are not alone. You are NOT ALONE. I suffer from chronic nerve pain from an injury I sustained during my time in the United States Army. Every day, for the last 16 years, I’ve been in pain. I’ve reached my normal level and I’ve had some very bad days. It’s hard. But it’s always hard and when that becomes the new normal you begin to adjust – you begin to get stronger. You are strong. You are stronger than you know and stronger than you’d ever give yourself credit for. Your strength comes from your ability to cope, even on days when you think you can’t cope any longer. Within you is an incredible power to survive and work past very difficult times. I want you to remember this on the bad days. I want you to know that you are an incredible force, you have incredible strength and you can get through anything. And when times are dark and you feel more down than you ever have in the past, I want you to remember that you are not alone. Myself and others like us suffer in the same ways. We can draw strength from this knowledge because it means we are not alone. You are not alone.

Won't you give me that green light? Let's do this. What's up Warren steering Nation ready for some orange therapy. Welcome to week for a few housekeeping notes before we get rolling. We now have a text line. So if you're driving or walking, we've heard a lot of people once you send us stuff, but they can't remember when they get home or whatever. They're doing to email us. So obviously the email address is easy because it's Therapy Orange at gmail.com But now you can text us. So if you text the word OT podcast so OT the letters o and t and then the word podcast together to the number 5 5 5 8 8 8 so three fives and three eighths you'll get a confirmation message that you're okay to communicate with us and some other legal BS and we you can now communicate with us once you accept that message. So anytime you have a questions thoughts Etc. You can send us that Message and that starts with today's episode. I already gave you the email address. The third thing that I wanted to mention is that we're about to start doing interviews with social media influencers for social media influence of Orangetheory. We already have our first interview scheduled tray is very excited because we have an Australian accent coming along. I'm sorry Ria the woman thank God I'll be the one interviewed him. So we have our first influencer scheduled if you have suggestions on people we should interview right now. We're kind of looking for people that are in the fitness industry. Preferably Orange Theory related that have about 2,000 followers on Instagram. That's kind of what we're looking for. So if you have any ideas on who we should interview you can text us again. That number is triple five Triple Eight and just Interview just send us any way you think we should interview and lastly. It looks like we're going on our first sponsor soon. And this sponsors actually going to be for the ladies. We're going to have some discount codes and shrug. Got your front husband testing product. So we'll start talking about that probably an episode 5 until then. If you have any ideas about other brands you think would be relevant or that you would like a discount ceiling you want us to work some magic. Eric triple five Tripoli text us let us know what those brands are. Don't tell us Nike or Under Armour. We're aware of those balloons exist. We're looking for for for Niche brands that make specific products that you think the world should know about that can be a little gorilla in their War for Warfare. All right. So let's get into it Rhea Tre. How's your week going? It's going good. So far good plastic. We have we have gotten together so far. Don't know if you even realize this we got together on Sunday night. Oh, yeah, I went to dinner and we went out and then Wednesday night at my house. Yes, we were hanging out and now we're hanging out again. So that was a week already. This is I didn't write this down as a segment. But what is it about age that makes the week seem to go faster memory or like high school and college. It seems it took forever. Some weeks go by fast and some drag on. This was a pretty quick week. Well, I guess when you're having fun, yeah, it's good to be good workouts and got to hang out and it's nice, huh? So one of the topics we want to get into this week is cancel fees. So let's let's just assume for you know, we're like re-entry and I are in the our home studio Smyrna right outside of Atlanta. Let's just assume that nobody likes to pay cancellation fees everybody bitches about them, but Really because we can't be adults. We're basically like hey, this is one just for us but you should charge everybody else and essentially how it goes. So rather than ask you what you think about cancellation cancellation fees. I thought I'd ask Rhea and Trey whoever wants to answer first. What's the best store you have for incurring a cancellation charge? We Ladies First - just like complete stupidity. I booked out for what before? They implemented the month-long thing. I booked two classes out for months. Yeah, so it's based on your billing cycle. So you're if you're billing cycles that stay on the 18th anything really past the 18th like you can't but but at one point like you you could do three months to do I did like six or seven. Oh well time and there's a we've talked before there's like three studios in our area and I was like, yeah, I'll just book a whole bunch of I forget which one I'm supposed to go to or or I know I'm typically at the same one. Yes, but I may have signed up for another one and then I come out of the class and on my phone because it tells you like right away as soon as something is charged. It's like Sandy Springs charged you $12 donation. Yes donations to Sandy Springs who's getting remodeled. You're welcome. Sandy Springs. Yeah. Yes house count and real quick. Tray. Sorry to interrupt but if there's any Studio franchisors that can tell us exactly what happens with those twelve dollars. You can text us anonymously to truck five triple. Yeah, because that I guess I'm just curious who's getting it. That's that's all I was gonna say. I think I know who gets them when I forgot last week when you were mentioning different Studios that we've been to the one that I went to an Iowa had a mobile van. From mobile mobile van relations like they had a treadmill and a rower and stuff inside of a van really they would go around. So I think the twelve dollars goes to get a van. I can't think of any other reason why or how they would have a mobile van with a treadmill in a rower. Hmm. Well, I would say for me. I've only had one donation only one only one. It was crazy night. I am so good. No, actually I was actually working. They're working on Realize. They're cheating on your gym. Yeah, I was in Sandy Springs and I got it from Smyrna and I would admit I felt defeat because I thought I cheated the system and I would never get it, but I got me it did get yeah. Yeah, you know, it's not only stupidity. I have been hungover and I'm like, nope. I'm 15 minutes. I normally go in hungover last stop. Consistently. Wow. You look incredible look better. She's working out really? Well. Just don't put me on the little the ab Dolly inverted like to do the Pikes are yeah, that's a that's an O God for see ya. That's bad news. Mmm-hmm. Have you ever had a charge? No in mines actually, but the one time I almost got it was almost a double whammy so I did not go, you know for everybody out there on my 5 a.m. Or and I did not make the 5:00 a.m. That day for various reasons. And so I was like, I'm going to go to add a workout after I had a meeting with a client so I had a lunch meeting. Well, I didn't know but this client starts drinking too. Aloha at 12:30 in the afternoon, so it's noon it was possible. So I just wasn't expecting it was like a Wednesday. So what better thing Margaret Margaret? Yes, I can roll the all every now and then so we're all the yard in Spanish ever know that my God. I can't do it. Gideon shot. So I like I was supposed to make the 315 class or whatever time it was Midday and I was like, okay, I'm going to get well on the way to the workout. I'm like, I don't think this is a good idea. And then I remember he had some queso to we had everything. Okay, so chips. Okay. So hold it all together. Yeah, except I was even fajitas without moving a lot of meat sweats, so Blood flows to kill so but anyway, so I'm driving towards their I get like 10 minutes whales like, I'm not gonna Gonna Cancel but that was like $12 charge. I was like, well, that's not fair the 215 crowd no offense to Orange therapy Nation, but I call it the housewife and bartender Crown usually usually - bartender crowd I can like plow. Well, not literally wait. Wait. What are we go with this? No, don't do it. I do really well like the nooner that when you're plowing anytime between 10 o'clock and 3 o'clock. I am always on the leaderboard. Let's just put that out. So all right get it Heather. Let's plow him at that time. I won't call you then. So my head is no it's a new nurse. So my name is run from 10 to 3 enduring strength power. What were you saying? So I was running plow. So anyway, I'm about to turn into the studio. I mean towards towards the Studio's like no wait, I gotta go. I don't want to pay the $12 right? I was like I can just like walk through it. Yeah, I get into the studio and it's like one of the 100 days out of the year that they decide to do the back extensions where you put your stomach on the bosu. Switch Yeah, but as we all know that random, it's not very frequent. That thing is it's the day that I've been drinking tequila and K. So I'm like I thought I was going to lose it the whole cuz I was miserable so not have known but I told him that I would have loved that passed. That was yeah as I was correct as not Bubba. Get its burble. Guess that's what Urban Dictionary says, but you can call it whatever you want more. Urban Dictionary is not Russian. So the Mexican place next to our studio know, why do they always put the Studio's next to food places because switch So this week Coach Madison Senior and I'm sure a lot of people posted this but that's I thought my feed. She posted is many of Orangetheory nation is July was Art wanted voyage for two weeks. It says and I'm sure this one out to every where it says that the country or I guess its Global now 1.08 four billion meters were read by all the members and A two-week period in July. Wow exactly a logged the light meters. Yeah. Those are just those are that includes all the ones who are cheating or didn't log like so it evens out to zero so it's exactly one point four billion meters. So what I saw this Facebook post and I'm assuming went out in the emails or something. I can't really fathom. What the hell that means. I was just going to equal x like how Meters is the Earth around choose this grocery. I don't know. Let's Google it God Surya 40,000 75 kilometers, which we can't do that translated into meters dissected into leaders. It's three leaders around again. I'm done. I'm going to say it checked out 16 times. We've had enough math, and I did a stat and Googled it. Oh, oh, I'll just say that it has six calories. I believe right six grams of protein. Oh, I like his typing style. I know sir companies. That should be your name sir cumference. Oh hmm the Earth pen name. So the question I have about the 1 billion meters that I really had for trading area before they went off on another math tangent that is wrong. So if there's any kids listening in the car, first of all, you should not be listening. We're talking about coming together. So my question for you, since I can't fathom how long one point no 8 4 billion meters is what I'd like to know from the two of you very bright. Yes magicians colorful. Yes people. Yes, you can do in a Spanish accent. Why not literal is if you could have your own personal Road boy or a row girl that just rode for you to generate power. What would you Power Tower World Peace? It does so there's the commercial with the little hamsters that make their cargo. But what would I power? I saw this some power tools and power them. What would you be powering and tools tools like a oh look a drill down to that drill power my drill. Yes, I wouldn't have to pay Georgia Power get it. You know what I agree with you on that one because the last month Bill what's great with it's because it's so hot. No, you need an ETA C. Probably pay the bill, but I wasn't happy but you're only interested in my answer. Yeah. Yes. I want to prepare for this. We don't got it right down an answer which apparently is in Manhattan this not in Amsterdam. New York, I don't know how many times I never knew that it's kind of hidden it we had to look for it. It's near ironically we were there for Christmas. It was across the street from phenomenal for Nancy's where they do the bigger my God. Are you sure it's not on the 6th and 9th? No, we just keep it moving. In fact myself. No one likes to do that. Anyway, continue bullshit. Yeah calling you on that one Louise. Last week it was the shoes. I got called out. So no comment. The the one they had like these like a mature product like a mature sex toy submissions in the one that one was somebody had taken like a ten-speed bike with a polaroid and had a huge dildo on me and like so somebody would be on the bike and then somebody's on the other end of it and on. It's like man, that's that's what I would do with the water Road actually seen that in person. But well, I heard a quote on Orange Is the New Black and it the quote was anything as a dildo. If you're brave enough Wow. Have you seen Jay my friends? That's not true. I don't watch anything with Dragons, you know, ever seen Game of Thrones Star Wars. I just started watching it two weeks ago. It skews me. So I tried twice shame your favorite person. Couldn't watch it Shay. So she brought it up again. And now we're watching it now. She could she could watch it because there's dragons. No, the dragons have not been introduced if he's in season won't know. What's in season 4. Oh, okay. No, we're good now. Yeah, she have been introduced now. We're just about jacking out there. Yeah, we're trying to figure out how people watched it and waited a whole year for the new season becoming I thought about that too because what you get today and we'll talk about that. So what yummy mummies? Okay, what were you saying question? So this week? While we're wrapping up and getting the totals for orange Voyage. We also wrapped up The 200-meter Benchmark. How did y'all do this week? I was twenty nine point seven or eight. I don't remember nice dog. I remember every Christian 29.8. Yes, but that's not our best. What were you I was 33 point eight. Yes. I did my normal stroke and the night before The Benchmark. They posted online this new role. In 10 years and it was a very ugly looking stroke. It was affecting her. It's right, but I didn't want to try it. Did you guys try I believe it or not? I tried it the first 15 seconds and I noticed I was averaging 600 watts really. So the difference is like is that a normal stroke? Like you're using mostly your legs and your kind of scream as much forward as you can and backwards. This one was just sort of like a quarter of your leg. Yes, and just like a lot of arms just as Keep that thing going. I will she didn't. Yeah, and I will admit it was easier. Well, then the full row. So yeah, I don't know if that's cheating. Technically. I don't it's all about that muzzle and yeah sure ultimately. It's what the time says, right? That's true. I mean question. What's your best time 22? I think - 27:9 I think but as I don't know for sure that's fast. So mine was my best. So I'm going to take that get it. Let's let's do the conversation to stuff. He'll actually care about because three Nation we're going to start off with LinkedIn this week. Which good luck with this. I know. Oh, yes. Oh, she's going. Yes this woman. Anna Sabino, actually, apparently, she's got a big fall and she got a hundred eighty one likes on LinkedIn, which is a big deal for length in and apparently she does call something called. Friday what was interesting is that the guy who runs up International Development for Orangetheory corporate commented on her her video and said his name's Carlos badal. So he probably actually can roll his arse. Hollow tree. I can't do it anymore and he told he told results or excuses you need. You can't have both hero. Not a zero on that one here. Yes, absolutely. So we attract I'm curious what you obviously like that saying but what makes you get out of bed every day to hit OTF accomplished o'clock in the morning. Everybody can't do it, but it's true get up early. Yes. What's not not the dedication? Peaceably yes not getting up early that you're talking about. I can't be right. Yes, you're saying not everybody can do into it. And so for me, it's more of a Wait, wait, wait do what the workout or getting up get below? Okay. So the not everybody can do it part is like you are blessed with the ability to be able to move and correct, but he has that there's illnesses and corrector things. Yeah. So I take it as a blessing and so I get up and I do it. Well, yeah. Well, yeah after you've $60 in the morning, what are you thankful for more to that though? Well for me still want to well this afternoon. What happened? You have taken cheese. Yeah, I do. Well, yeah, I mean, why do you work out? Okay now that's been put on blast. Yes. I had a steak and cheese shame on you. Shame shame shame shame to me. I bought it for you know, I want you to have it I there is a shame here. I think she's saying what you said and public which is now fair game because she told me well. I work out to eat. Yeah, I love to eat. Absolutely. I don't I don't know that you're gonna get fired for that statement. Okay. Now we are back to you. I think mine sort of the same thing. So I have a medical condition that a lot of people so I have MS and a lot of people can't move and I can and so it helps me with that. And then also I just liked it I work from home and And so I don't have people like to talk to during day. I don't have kids so I'm not like going to soccer camp or anything. So I don't have like other mommies to talk to and if I didn't have somewhere to go during the day like I would talk to only Kirby my dog. I mean good luck everybody. We need you to help me write it something only for myself, but I don't have to think for a full hour. I'm not making any decisions which we've talked about like make decisions all day long, right and the only thing I have to You is just show up. Right and so and give it your all and get yeah, and not and you know, every day isn't going to be amazing. Correct like because you're not perfect don't really take days off. Yeah. So what about your question? Yeah Orangetheory Nation. I know a lot of you have children. I have children the to across me do not have children. So if y'all need somebody to talk to I'm more than happy to get my kids so you won't feel so lonely. I don't want to strip. Orange theory of their member do they really are feeling lonely unhappy looking for a couple of hours and as soon as their bills for college or food come in or they poop their pants, then they're back to you in a couple hours know when our 52 minutes 55 Max. So OTF Phil Whittle that's his Facebook handle MTF Phil little Whi tle he post an OT me at Orange during memes group. The meme says, how do you look? You post your OTF workout summary every day. And then it has a picture of President Obama putting in our former President Obama putting the weight. You can test a present. Yeah. So like itching for more present your always approach, right? Okay. So here's a picture of President Obama put in the Congressional Medal of Honor on himself. But the question I have for you and Trey. The first question is have either of you receive the Congressional Medal of Honor. I do not have one in currently in my possession. So you're trying to get one. It is a dream. That is a dream. You make it you won't get it. Yes. Next question is if you had to make your own version of this meme what celebrity would you put on it, Brittany? 2007 Brittany's 2007 shaved head Britney Spears. Yeah, krazee-eyez. No, but it'd be like I was seven crowning like the 99 one or some version or is it just a selling and I saw them? Yeah, seven would be giving I'm gonna say like 2014 Brittany. So O7 is in the background. It's okay. I'm Britney bitch. I should know my Britney years. I'm going to say VMAs when she was. Did the Can't Get No Satisfaction and she was in the All-Star like skin-tight either that one or the next one, which she had the snake. Yeah. Whoo for the record. I feel about this the VMAs like y'all feel about sports. I've no idea. What the hell you're talking about Brittany. 2007 is in the back shaped head. Okay, and she is giving herself from the VMAs in 2002 Boom the metal. Okay. Oh, there we go. However the veal is that I remember her body. Mm. Yeah, I'm gonna Mount goals Orangetheory goals Brittany 2002. Boom Trey. Yeah. It's going to be Christian Bale. Thank God. You said a last name? We are tuning in. Yes. You know what? He does nothing for me side note, but let's move on. I will be right in his material and we'll be using your voice. No, it's not it's not Christian Grey. That's the issue. It's anesthesia. That's issue. She's a weak character and I don't like her how you really feel Captain himself when he was in what movie? Okay. Yes the hottest thing. I'm Batman. I know it's not That's what I would have thought. Yeah, but psycho is is when I realized he was the one other than my one but he was the one yeah, he's your hall pass. Yeah for sure. Have a great system for that. By the way, I think I'd like to hear that. Well, so I think every couple well, I think I had this talk with Heather before we got married. I think does everybody love the talk about who's your free passes. Hi-yah. My partner is Neo. Really look like see ya. Oh, that's from The Matrix. It's random the lips on The Matrix know the other thing. ER the one-hit wonder Nia number one hit wonder. You're right. It's a bunch of songs. You sing a song. You will sing a song and I'll close this independent missing. Yeah. He's more of a writer. I like sexy. Love ya moving on. So rich, sorry Rach. Barker post an OT me Monastery memes she didn't post a me. But she posted a status update said is it is it just me or does anyone else look at the OT beat screen and try to guess people's names like yeah that definitely looks like Karen untried six County and I have no idea if that's what you sound like, but that's the best clothes Alicia Silverstone I can do so, that's what I want. But I'm not so the question I have for y'all. I know I do this. It's probably for entirely different reasons than y'all do it. So what are y'all usually thinking about when you're dreaming enter someone's name so you can Facebook stalk them and slide it. Oh, wow is you really do take this investigation? Really? Seriously. I'm trying to do that. Even I look I uh, I do. I'm like, I do the same thing Rach me and you same page. So I look I'm like oh and then actually the guy today next to me. I looked over I was like, that's not Brian the treadmill and that's not true too. Yeah, so let's get straight woman steak on the so were you thinking about when you're looking at the screen because you know you go to the same for me. Me I'm in the 6 a.m. Right after you guys and I am with the same people just like you guys and sometimes people just don't talk to you and those are probably the same people that don't like partner workouts and stuff. But I would like to know everybody who's in the class, but you do you're like, I wonder if that is Karen or not for any other reason but to like if somebody was like killing it and you notice that they're doing something awesome. You can be given like a little fist bump and be like Karen. Badass, I'm sorry that 12 whenever you have a beautiful mind. This is true. Adoring. Yeah, try to do is get in their pants. I said they're there. Oh, Wants to have the cherries soon. Well, we've established this so for the audience with the Cherry. Oh, I'm not out. Wait, wait that person who dropped shit exactly that kid in school. Yeah, get everybody in trouble. Yes. Oh go get really bored until I also know as far as yeah, I'm skipping that as far as the looking up at the screen. I actually have not been used in my monitor for the last two months because I kept looking at it and thinking I'm in red and I realized I was not pushing myself. I was trying to I was tipped back out. Yeah, I was paying attention to the statute, which I know on Stewie. I know I should be doing that because it determines what I do have my Apple watch so really like monitoring that like you would and you know, but well you can create now. I don't know how to I had you I haven't yet, but I think the other yeah, if anybody knows the answer you can text us a triple five, please now looks like when I did do it, I would look up and go who has no calories. And if I am class it's usually Chris. I mean Chris Christian, so I have to like try to win calories. Do you normally burn somewhere over 600 on the 90 minutes I get I get to like 1,200. Yeah. Hey, I have to beat him. Yeah, but like my today in have to do with like body weight. Yeah, like we Christian I burned just about the same amount. I always win but probably more than you though during the day old chicken today. I don't burn nearly I think girls in general have a harder time Bernie true. The same amount of calories is the guys but like if I if I It 350 in a class. That would be awesome for me. Jeez. I can do that. Just walking on the treadmill. I'm not gonna get into the whole details of but before I started take that heart medicine, I was burning like close to a thousand a class girls just have a harder time being at a certain person with salt and pepper hair and realized that donkey is starting to grow good job on the squats. Probably haven't seen it because he doesn't normally stay for stretch. Do you know what today is? No, I hate running and I'm like a dog unless there's a I don't know. He needs a ball a little ball. Shut up. I know scenarios. So I know this is a free show. We're happy to do it. It's a passion project. But if you want to help me with my mental therapy and Trauma like holding these two idiots together and you can text triple five AAA account and I'm pretty sure they love our banter switching to the toxicity. That is Twitter. So I went to all the trouble lately here because I don't want to get into political parties that yes, we don't do that. What I want to talk about is Carrie goldberger who is a brooklyn-based victims lawyer. So basically she likes to see the fuck out of people. She's got about 13,000 plus followers. She posted on Twitter while after 12 years at equinox meaning the fitness center. I'm canceling how low or very good after that. So she posted this in response to the billionaire. Owner of equinox and soul cycle. He's hosting a dinner for Donald Trump President Trump his fundraiser in the Hamptons. It's like two hundred fifty thousand dollars a ticket. And so basically the carry is obviously not a fan and so she's leaving Equinox to join Orangetheory. There are at least that's what she said. So my question for me and Trey is not to take this download political route. My question is have you ever stopped giving business or going to a new business? Strictly because of their political or social views. Yes for me. I tend to vote not only about but vote with my money. Okay, and so I pick and choose where it goes. And if I find out that it is something that is against everything that I am about then it nothing. Do you I'm just going to put my money somewhere else where you I haven't I'm I'm pretty conservative money-wise. I don't really care. Are what people choose to do and you know what? That's what makes I think our country great is that people have the opportunity to do a serious? I know like that earlier on this show they gave world peace is no I like this country. I can't think of one for instance because I am more of the school of if your decision is not affecting my service that you're offering a product that you're offering. I don't care now if it was something like life and death like blatant child trafficking or something like that. Maybe a little bit about remember like I don't know what two years ago. They did something about who burned like everybody. People are driving Uber because the get the CEO is yeah means or driver. I'm like dude. I'm trying to get from A to B. Right like agree. What about you know, what are we not going to take a bus, but I would say and black and this era change is through money. Well, here's the thing Carrie. Although I don't go around trying to get time here at Orangetheory. Yes, I will say this when I'm with you. I will say I'm with you on that. I just don't think people should like I wouldn't go around and like you should do it ain't I I'm Literally a silent but deadly I just transfer the second time. We heard that if you include the hard caps want to have that note. I'm done switch listener feedback. The week first shout-out is to Jessica and Smyrna. She sends us a great email thanking us for the entertainment Jessica. You're so welcome. Thank you for listening and the feedback thing. For taking the time to write us and now every time just also told us in the email that she thinks all these things. She wants to tell us but forgets by the time she gets home. So if this to AAA and tell us what you think about the show tell us about all the brands that you're Banning out of your life. Yeah and how you're coming over to Orangetheory nation. And what was the tech? How can I text you question? You need to text triple V Tripoli and You owe the letter O the letter T podcast. And once you confirm you can text this till your heart's desire. Yeah. Yeah, but if y'all are going to get some thoughts about Rios Voice or tray salt-and-pepper hair, we'd love to hear ya - no account. Oh, excuse me. One second, you know the okay go get a rag. I think we should do a house still show - I just want to read let's do it. I think every fantastic. There are people who make YouTube videos. Whispering oh my God yet easily do what if we thought it would be but I can only do this for so long. 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Bless you with my seeds and my experience is extremely Limited in this area. But I do find the it's best to shoot first and ask questions later. Everybody turned back around going the wrong way. Perfect, didn't oh, yes, that is crazy. Have you? All right, sir? Do that. Okay. I mean you're at like you I mean, how does how did he take it? I think I need to I think you mean how two boys do it physically but guys wonder how you guys live with yourselves after exactly like I mean, how do y'all mentally do it? That's way worse because you deceive me. Yes last week. I don't think anything that smacked we're gonna talk about faking. Yes, but but first we got some listener questions, Rio trade Christian if you aren't OTF trainer and you had your own intro music I what would your song be? So I told you guys I'm I like that song by Ellie Goulding hate me. Yes, I like that song right now. I like mother's daughter by Miley Cyrus. Basically my musical tastes are like of a 13 year old girl. Okay, but my at-bat song only because on Monday, I'm going to justify Josh's Brothers concert. I'm going to say is Jonas Brothers song. This is like a whole segment Christian. Go ahead. We're waiting. I know that got this bitch just to clarify when I say bitch. I'm not talking about a disclaimer Christian was the question one song are Only because in honor of me going to the jail bro concert on Monday. Okay is sucker. Really really? Wow. I thought you was a fake. Yeah, I just picked it nice can read into anyway, here we go. It's hard to see why not. Let me make it real. Yeah, that isn't awesome sauce. Awesome sauce. I'm going to the Jonas Brothers concert you guys and missed that whole thing. Oh have fun trying to do your intro music if you could answer in 30 seconds. all I do In win win no matter what and I'm just saying. All right, that's good. We'll do it on that one. Yes Christian your hands go up. Yes, and they say they're always you know, what let me take that back. It would not be that. I apologize. I'm so bad is going to be five four. Three, two one level up. Yeah. That was our level up level good triple five. Do it for my kids. There's a dentist in Greenville and he did like this little dance to level up. It is goes viral disease yummy. Yes, yummy in my tummy. My name is Brandon Orr said what's your 20 minutes after Christians beating his head? Look at that time. You got six dollars of herding cats. This week would probably be powered by Kanye West go a little slow because it's an intro music today. We have all that power that one. Yeah. Okay. That's a good one. Actually that are deaf. So you actually that's how are you audience notice her? My answer was precise to the pan again, you're asking the questions and have time to research a damn thing. I just answered my own question. We believe you may be Just make this a weekly segment. So yeah, well, we'll come back with more concise answers questions from our Anonymous sources. 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But the other stuff.We're talking about funny taste like yeah. Yeah, it's called telephony funny story of funny story crime scene story. Yeah a gerbil crawl out of a guys are something like that. I got something close to that. Really. I'm not that's alright. So we're back man. Did I mention how hot it was the first episode know? I didn't we're part of a heat wave right now. What is today July 23rd that a little bit is the 22nd 22nd, and we had to Friday and Saturday works. It's gotten Sunday to right. Right and you look in the my built-in pool and you can't even go in it. Yeah, I didn't wear anything except my tighty-whities kind of borrow your shorts. You have shorts and my pool we come on man. Let me bars don't want to wipe our something very short, but you guys get me into over here. I don't care. You have to wash it first. Thanks for not wearing a bulletproof vest and if I went to a detail in the summer, I never want my vest. I didn't care who it was like, you know, what fuck it. Shoot me. I don't give a shit. I don't give a shit. Remember the light blue shirts that you can tell by the sweat stains. They were always think it's videoing out of the windows used to pull your vest out like this and then explain would come out. If s you can see it pouring that's how what how hard it was. Yeah. Oh man. It's I don't ever want to be that hard to get my guns coming out like it's amazing what you can get used to though it is right, you know, like mentally you had to prepare yourself for being out in the street during this heat in a vest. Yep, all the gun belt to especially with when we got the the nine millimeters. Yeah, that goes that one's dug it dug into your hip. Yeah, I don't know how guys got I'm sure if you look at the skeletons of police officers who had a have that 9-millimeter rig. That's the worst digging into their for guaranteeing like a little thing on their leg for the gas man. I think I used to show up and they'd be looking for that kind of stuff skateboard. Yeah. I got lucky. See that I never got one but I never would have said what I wouldn't bring it. I didn't care you I thought you were wearing that as a shower cap. What's that? The gas mask a put you know, you pull it over there - mess that we used to get that was that that was it. That was the joke. You wouldn't work. Anyway, right now, I'm not talking about the hood had like two minutes saying it took in about the hood that when this way, you know not hold it over your head, but the mascot. Yeah, but it only gave you like three minutes worth it. He said you could run out of the subway as everyone else is dying around you that looks Good a bunch of cops with a snake was running up the stairs. Yeah, as all these children are dying around God. I have this gas mask runs afford. That looks dangerous and thank God I have this gas price. It was me. It was me. Well, I was teaching CPR they had that one of the slides that you see is you open the door and you see two people on the floor. So it's the the scene is set. So it's like One person obviously touch something that had or let go of a gas it was about how to deal with people when they go into cardiac arrest Cardiac Arrest when they breed something in and then if there's a second body there that's when you know, usually that person went to go help them and they passed out to which is your sign to closed or get the fuck out of there. Somebody call crime scene. I went to support me when I was a young sergeant and I walk inside and it's guys Bed doas got a needle in his arm and his two friends that as like somber this young female cops is she goes he's dead sausage and all sudden these two guys perked up and they started doing like the version of junky CPR. One of them has a cigarette in his mouth where the - about 3 inches long. It's gonna come on motherfucker. I'm like, it was so fun. I mean the guys dead. It's not funny shouldn't laugh picturing to - drops in the dead guy's face, and I'm like guys, you know, He's I think he's alive. He's still moving drugs. Give me a minute. He'll stop right. So let's get to some cases here. One of the cases that you wanted to talk about that you brought in here was Walter Scott. Tell us start from the beginning with Walter Scott. Yes. So the Walter Scott shooting was who was Walter Scott Walker Scott was he was a guy that lived in North Charleston been in and out. It wasn't like a hardcore perp like, you know violent offender, but he was Control Charleston County North Carolina, North Charleston, North Carolina. Okay, I mean, South Carolina. Yeah. So so essentially everybody's seen the video of this on TV, right? There's there's a black guy running away and police officer shooting at them right and then he goes down and it's it was International case. I had people that I work with, you know, blood stain pattern in the Netherlands that are email me stuff about the case that they're getting out there. And everything so I had stuff. I did some work for Randy Savage. He's an attorney down in Charleston North South Carolina, and he's a character and it was one of those connections. Where did you ever do any Media stuff? Right like like talking to the media member Joe Jack alone did a lot of Media stuff and all that. I started he did some of that too. Right? But but they always get it wrong, right and then like for me if they misquote me in the New York Times and then I'm being cross-examined on a Stan they said well when this happens don't you do this and I say no you don't do that. And then it is not what you said in this article. I'm letting you know they miss quoted me. They always miss quoted me some I'm walking through this is so this is right after we had Ferguson Missouri, right? We had Michael Martin brown, right I get a phone yo, yo, how are you involved in these cases? You're already retired at this point. Yeah. So you're working privately. Yeah your own business and these lawyers are hiring you. Yeah for this forensic. Expertise, so, you know that that's why you went down to North Charleston, South Carolina. Yeah. Exactly. Okay. Yeah, it's being hired privately. So I had met and he stabbed I got quoted by the New York Times on the Ferguson case and then I got a phone call from this really powerful attorney down in Charleston and he's like a giant Sandy Savage out. So Richard said in the times I want I want you to work with me. So I did a couple cases with him. All right, I didn't realize how many murders around Charleston you know, right if you think about like, New York. See the homicide Squad went down to 50 homicides. It's nothing but you know, so I'm down there in Charleston. He goes you got to set up an office here. We don't have anybody down here does what you do? I see you can't have that many homicides is I get back home. Just call me another one. He's got another one. It's got another one. There's all kinds of stuff going on down there. So so I'd work with Andy and I saw that video on the television where this this guy's African-American males running away from police officer pop have fires. Aah It's at the guy the guy goes down at that looks bad right there. And and first I show a car stopped is what the TV shows you show you a car stopped and they show the guy running then they show him being shot. Then they show the cop going to get a taser. It picks up his taser and drops it down next to the body. Right? I said this is bad, you know, like usually we don't rush to judgment because we know there's so much more to a case and what we're ever going to see how many cases have yours. Have you seen on the news and you're like that? Even my case is it then he like like close? Yeah, there's so far off and you'll notice they make up the things they don't know. They just make it up. Don't let the facts get in the way of a good story, you know? Yeah, so but that one I judge right away. I said, ah, you know fuck this guy's right. This is because everybody's anti-cop that I call that period like the blue scareware. The media was all about cops are just murdering raced. It's that's all they are. Right? So so now in the middle of this here comes Michael slager shooting this guy down so I took the you Tube video and I email it down to Andy. I'm like what the fuck's wrong with you guys down there, you know, you can get control your cops and he emails me back. This is my case. Get your ass down here, right? So I call them up and you go down there. How long you did you ever set up the office down there? No, I never did know but what do you stay in a hotel? I stay at Andy's house usually phenomenal delusional. Don't forget. I've been down there to three weeks at a time. Okay, and then you come back over here to your house over here. Yeah to at 250 an hour. Well, I was only one $75 175 but you trust him eight hours to 24 hour day. No, no. No, I have you thinking about stuff very drunk very conservative. God have mercy on his attorneys because they have mercy on people that happens. If you wake up in the middle of the night and you solve the crime now, you got to you got to write it down you open up the case in the middle of the night. Yeah. I mean, it's not about Texas it. Listen. I'm on the clock. It was this case a lot of it. I ended up most of my time. I didn't end up charging any paid out of his pocket for all the experts and everything like that. It was because we but we believed in and once we saw, It really happened. Who was that? What did you believe in? Tell us what so he was representing Michael slager. So so Andy used to be the PBC cop? Yeah. He's the cop Michael slager shooter. Yeah the shooter so Andy used to be the PBA attorney for Charleston is very very famous down there. He was Charleston PD's PBA attorney and he also handled Charleston County and a lot of guys, right so so he was well respected by the cops. And so so slager's attorney. So this whole thing happens slager gets his PBA attorney the video hasn't Not yet. He tells his attorney. You know. Listen, this is what happened had the taser. He took the taser from me, but of ABCD he goes. All right, so they go in and the lawyer doesn't even open a folder. He doesn't even write anything down and he goes in there to represent them. And then so that's sled took the case, which is South Carolina law enforcement District, which is their state agency right there like the the tops of the special State prosecutor. Yeah, so whether they're like a steak specifications Now they're trying to make it so that they do all police involved because they don't want you. They don't want the agency involved to investigate their own so sled had the case and they sit down with the lawyer and Mike and they do a reenactment and nobody nobody videotapes this thing nothing, right. So Mike's re-enacting it with the investigator that works for the attorney. Nobody took pictures. Nobody did nothing and then sled says, well we want to show you a video and they show them the video just that clip like pop pop pop ow, and the Goes to Mike he goes, you're a fucking liar and he was like leaves them like just walks out on him and sled collars them. Right his wife's two weeks away from getting from giving birth, right? So now so now this is what we got. All I have is what I saw in the thing and so I call Andy up I said, what do you want me to do and I'm thinking like if this is NYPD, this is only a few days after it happened that seems going to be closed. There's going to be bulldozers there. They're going to have like 50 cops sift in every damn grain of sand in that place, right so someone It down there just brought a couple things with me and I go down there and he goes come down here. The state's going to give me all the doc. What do you bring with you? It depends on what it is. You know, like I'm going to go do a scene on Thursday where there was like a stabbing and fire and stuff like that. So I'm not going to really bring my my ballistic trajectory rods or any stuff like that because I'm not going to reconstruct the shooting but pretty much everything else is in play and I was like, I'm taking a plane how hard is it going to play with all that? Of dogs almost passed by drive it I was driving to Charleston here. Like yeah, it's a scientist got test tubes in the enemy to me. You have looks like a bomb, you know, like they say you can't get a lot of things. You look like. You're ready to go. Do a homicide. Yeah is a noose. Yeah duct tape a ski mask you have weird stuff laying around your house in this business, right? You know, I remember Was Won by this like women's clothing store near like closing sale. Everything's everything must be sold, you know, some guy go in there and woman's life. Can I help you? You know I had like a couple days growth of beard. You know like yeah selling the mannequins get the fuck. I'm like Maui. What do you want with the mannequins? I'm like, well, sometimes I need to shoot them and you know, if I put bloody clothes on the him and she's like because it because actually when you think about it when clothes are in 3D, right? So when you examine clothing you look at it in two Dimensions, right? So if you got a blood stain over here, and it's laying flat it's going to look like it's on your back, but it's not on your back and you don't really realize it. You put it on something what cylinder filled these three-dimensional so mannequins kind of Handy to have and sometimes when you're doing a reenactment of something to have a mannequin that you could put some clothes on put a bloody foot that you shouldn't, you know, they want to Triple the price of the mannequin. I tried to buy one for the college once and they will get a little bit of style. Like are you are you yeah, my nana and I had the price new. Yeah. I said it's cheaper new you are so you know an Amazon really? Yeah, I guess I could imagine girls walking into your apartment. Be like, whoa, let's get a look at that. If you got mannequins, what's the names all over the place blood? It's like a blood cleaning kit rise, like Rocky. He goes into the practices Galas by the bone with a bad other piece of meat, you know and the chicken run gallons of clean up stuff like blood clean up stuff aluminum. All right the luminol yes, but it's Rob could drop cloth, don't you feel safe. So if so what happened he went. Yeah, so we're just Anyway, you stuff for yeah. Well, I didn't bring that much stuff because he said we're just going to get some documents. You know, I didn't think the scene would even be released yet, you know, and so I get down there and he goes they still haven't given me anything. He goes. Why don't you just go look at the scene? I'm like I can we get anywhere near that place. He goes. Yeah, my investigator will take you there. So I went I went with this guy. There's nobody there. There's no current no tape. No nothing, right? So I'm like, all right. Well, whatever right so all I had was like a point and shoot camera and a couple things. And so we take we take an iPad and we put the video up and we do what's called like photogrammetry only. This is like total amateur stuff. But photogrammetry is where you take something that exists in a scene and you can actually get some perspective from it like the relationship from one object to another right? So I got the video paused where you see Mike shooting like this and you can see the branch of a tree and then you can see a telephone pole and you can see about where he was standing I said I said I said to the investigators catch Russell great guy great guy and he was a Charleston PD cap. So I go walking over to the walkway where about where slager was standing? I'm like, all right, you know so dude, there's an Alleyway and then there's a bullet hole in that fence over there. So we go over to the Bullet Hole and we're looking and there's leaves all around the ground and stuff like that. And now I have nothing no, no paperwork nothing. I don't know how many bullets they recovered. I don't know anything. So no autopsy report. I got nothing. So we look at the Bullet Hole. There's like a fence like 90 degree fence. It goes in one corner goes out the other corner and the leaves underneath it would like totally undisturbed and I'm like that. You know, like I said if this was NYPD is place would have been bulldozed right? So I'm like I said the Steve I said, well, you got to take me to your forensic supply store. He goes. Oh, we don't have one of those down here I go. You don't have a Home Depot. He goes all Home Depot. All right. Yeah, so go to you know, get some dowels you get like the wheel to do some measurements some string and all that stuff as we can. We could put this all together. So we're starting to figure out the flight path of the of the bullet and I said to Steve I go there's got to be something in those leaves right there. Right because bullet went through two pieces of stockade fence. There was a wall not too far away. Like I can't understand why these leaves are undisturbed. He goes I got my son's metal detector in the car. Like for a 15 year old kid pulls it out nine volt battery, you know, it's dead, you know. Yeah get another one put it in there. So we're going through the leaves PPP. Because there's a bullet. All right, and I look at this bullet and it's got like striations on it. Like it slid across the pavement, right? So it's all it's all jacked up this bullet I go that's pretty amazing. I said, but that's not the bullet. I want I said keep looking right beep beep beep. There's another bullet. It's perfectly intact and it's a hollow point and there's wood and then in the nose of the hollow point, I like it passed through the fence and then there's white paint on the base of it. Right? So like if a bullet Travels through to intermediate targets like that. It becomes destabilize. You're not picking this shit up till you photograph it. Right? Right. Exactly. Yeah, so we leave it in. You know, I know people are saying I would have picked it right up. I know you I'm seeing guy you're going to photograph it exactly for you because where it is is very important. Yes, not that relation to everything else. Yeah. So so you think about football right? Like boats. I always use like a football analogy when somebody throws a pass and somebody else tips it and the ball. Starts to Tumble, right? So that's what happens when a bullet strikes something it becomes destabilized and it'll start to Tumble. So the white paint on the base of the bullet was significant because it's a white wall across from this fence. So the Bullet tumbled hit the wall and it bounced back into the leaves, right? So so we call Andy up. And say that a well we're finding fucking evidence here, you know, and he goes just he goes look he goes you got to notify. There's like a protocol. You got to notify the Charleston County Sheriff's and they got to notify sled right and thence little come down and collect the evidence. He said so you really, you know, those don't collect anything, you know kind of put the brakes on he goes, but before you notify these guys just start getting your measurements get everything you need to do your diagram or whatever you're going to do down there. So, A couple things we call the county sheriff's, you know, here we are. I don't want to get involved in this shit down, right? Oh, no, they're actually pretty good. I'll tell you I'll tell you why because I run into this a lot. Like right. It's like, oh you work for the fucking defense now, he's like from New York, you know. Yeah to yeah forget about it right down here. So but the thing is like forensics. What's good about that is no matter what you're trying to find the truth. Right? Thank cuz I've had so many cases where guy calls me up. Hey, my guy said this didn't happen in our I'm like listen. Let me just look at it. I'll do my analysis. You tell me what he said later. So what's your guy say? He says ABCD I'm like he's full of shit, you know, so I mean it is what it is what it is, you know, and so technically like a true crime scene guy will have the same story whether he's working for the prosecution if you know because physical evidence doesn't lie exactly do right, right. Yeah. So yeah, we're down there we're looking for the seven it so we find a 7 is Charleston County shows up and yeah who you are trying retired NYPD Who you working for Andy Savage Oh Andy, he's a good guy. Yeah had a shooting he represented me. So I had like a good acceptance with these guys and Steve knew the guys to he was a Charleston guy. So now sled comes down and I'm taking my measurements whatever pictures I needed to take the start start doing a diagram and they're like, would you consent to it, you know giving us a DNA swab I should have you know what they said, but write a statement for what happened. So I wrote Up how we found the bullets and stuff like that. And so then we get the paperwork couple weeks later when the DNA swab for view, but they said did you touch it, you know, and I was like no I didn't actually didn't because I had Flags, you know those flags for your garden, you know the so they were to evidence markers. So I put him you know, but they're So eventually I did give me the chase cross-contamination see if yeah, exactly right could you do it but not at that point but I did later on right. So what were you arrested for motorists? You know when you think about it, if your DNA ever ended up in CODIS think about before DNA was even out there how many crime scenes we probably left our DNA at yeah, you know, I used to tell guys that say listen everyone. If you touch something you can explain it, you know, so if your DNA is at a crime scene, you could probably explain it unless it's like semen or something and you know, then you got a problem right? But so now it's light and come on it so slide comes in. And you know, I talked to them they were they were cordial with me and everything and then we get the documents and I'm reading through the documents and they said they did ABCD starting to look at some stuff. They did they own they didn't find one bullet. They never canvass the area never never knocked on anybody's door. So here's a shooting that's going on eight shots are fired. Don't you want to see if like granny is took a bullet shoot a window? Yeah police-involved shooting that's a shitty investigation. It's a rent it gets worse and worse it gets worse and where they stand and they could have done this guy. Such a big favor if they did if they did everything because so I'll go through like a little by little right. So now I look and I see that they were at the crime scene the FBI the solicitor's office solicitors a prosecutor down there solicitors off his sled the local PD whatever and the solicitor says are the next move we're going to do aerial photos, right? So and I remember when I was there there was a photographer for the New York Times there and then it was a helicopter flying around but it's such a big media. Story, I'm like, all right, they're probably all with the media whatever. So so now I see that they would they decided to take aerial photos. And I said the and I said, you got to get me that disc of aerial photo. So when we get the disc of the aerial photos, I'm looking and there's me and Steve on the ground finding their fucking evidence. What are in a helicopter flying around like they just sort of and from the prosecutor standpoint. How do you get better than that video? Right. How do you get better than the guy running away getting shot at you know, so you did. I really didn't want to go dig too deep into this case. So so now if you read slager's statements, he never made a report if you can if you look at the early news reports they say, oh he lied on his report. He lied on his repeat never made a report never even wrote a report but he made statements to supervisors and he said so what happens is he leaves his car like Walter Scott. He does a car stopped and you can hear on his body mic and everything. Very professional. He's like, how you doing? I'm officer slager. From North Charleston Police Department. I see your license registration and Walter Scott's like I said hes an air do well he's not like, you know hardcore perp, but you know, he's done some stuff. He's been fired from a lot of jobs Coast Guard everything for cocaine use all the stuff. So he's scrambling because he's got no insurance card. He's you know, the car is totally illegal. But Mike gets his driver's license from doesn't even know if it's him anyway, so he takes off running. And Mike says stop or I'll tase you and you can hear very clearly and then he says Taser Taser Taser. That's exactly what their training is. And if you know Mike he's like a robot everything everything in his life is like, you know methodical cording to procedure, you know, so he does Taser Taser Taser boom. He shoots the first cartridge. So the taser works with the cartridge not like the taser. We had that big thing that was like the size of a microwave when it was two things, you know, so he puts the cartridge on and he fires and hits total Miss, right? What happens is That cartridges deployed. There's little pieces of confetti right call that a feeds that come out of the cartridge and they're all over the ground. So now you can get an idea where the first taser shot took place takes that cartridge off puts another cartridge on Fires at Walter Scott goes down, right, but before he fires the first cartridge Walter Scott's going like this behind them. It's called they call it the windshield wiper, right? And that's to defeat the taser. You might be get lucky and not the darts out. Yeah before they hit you so this is another way to defeat the taser. Is to dive to the ground, right? So he fires a second one. He goes to the ground. It was proved that he was never taste wouldn't with the docks. He had one Dart in him from the second one, but nothing from the first one so he was never getting Zapped. So Mike says, I fired the two cartridges and then I used the taser to drive stun him, right? If you take the cartridge off then it's like a stun gun. You got the two prongs on there and stuff. This is the taser have something inside of it to can find you something else are often. And GPS II know the number one like that, you know like that. It sounds stupid but like a heat-seeking missiles are no nothing like that because they always seem to hit their target and a lot of times it's always like they're always running away from chubby cops. I think I can catch the guy but he still manages to hit him with the taste. Right? Right. It's always like this coffee something right? Yeah. I think these had like a 25 footer or something like that. Yeah law enforcement's come a long way since my my days as a so now they have cameras on them. Well, yeah, but it's all the tasers really for him tasers have cameras on yeah, if his had a camera on it, we wouldn't even be talking about this case. You know, what happened? He hit the ground. So he hits the ground. Mike says I used it. He goes another one or two times to drive stun them drives in and he took the taser away from me. Right and he was coming at me with it. And and then he said and as I was and his his his holster is defective. So he's trying to break his gun out of the holster and that takes a couple seconds and he said, As I was starting to shoot he was turning to his left which is and if you read what the statement to sled that perfect he says then he goes I was firing two to three seconds. It was like 2.6 seconds. He's firing. He said he took ten to thirteen steps. I think he took like like 12 steps. It was it was all you know, nothing was being, you know covered up or hidden and this is before he moved to be evidence verified what he said. Yeah exactly what you try for he knew this was even on video, but right so we're gonna be shooting at him now. He's already drawing his weapon the fire. Right? Right. So because he said that Walter Scott had his taser and he was coming at him to tase him with it. Right so and they're taught but you know what? This is one of those things where it's like kind of off the Record. It's not really in any protocol. But if somebody takes your taser, you shoot them, you know, that's what that's what these guys are. Yeah. So now he according to him what the state saying it never happened Walter Scott has his taser. So if you look at his statements, there's four. Deviations are the taser to cartridges and one or two drives tons. Right now. The taser has a chip in it that actually records everything and it'll give you the time right and so like I said, he's with is he is mr. Procedure, right? So if you look at like 7 o'clock in the morning when he starts his tour, there's a two-second activation of the taser. That's just to test it. Right you're supposed to do that the start of every tour if you pulled everybody's taser and so if they were testing the how many guys you think would really probably not but he does that he tests it, right. And puts the cartridge on puts in his holster. Then you start to see around the time of the incident. You see one deployment, right? And then there's like another eight seconds and then there's another deployment and then there's even less time like five seconds and then then another one and then another one right and then there's like 30 something seconds that elapsed on this time card and he's describing a fight happening where Walter Scott is taking the taser from him during the fight. And then after that 30-something seconds, you see the taser activated. More times. Well, right. So so here we have somebody else activating the tasers certainly it certainly supports what he's saying. I can't say that we have someone else activating taser. It's being activated again outside of his knowledge that it was even activated, you know, because think about it when you're in these you have that what they call SNS response to pathetic nervous system response to a traumatic situation, you lose your peripheral vision, you lose your hearing and all that stuff. It's just one of those like if ever been in a car accident where it's like slow motion, right? Yeah exactly, you know, so he's going through that, you know, and he's always thinking is my wife's going to have a baby and like here I am fighting with this guy and he now he's got my weapon, you know, so so Walter Scott's turning and he's firing and he goes down right then then then Mike says he doesn't remember he goes to and picks up the taser right you could see when he and Walter Scott goes down. He's yelling out and put your hands behind your back put your hands behind your back, right and he Coughs mm and then he's looking around for the taser and then he looks back towards where they were and he sees it on the ground. So he runs and he gets it he comes over to the body and he just drops it on the ground from the camera angle looks bad for him. It looks bad but it seemed like if I put this these two fingers like this to you, right? They look really close together. But then if you look at them sideways, right, they look further apart, right? So from the camera angle the it looked like he dropped it right near the body, but it wasn't near the body. It was actually a good distance from The bottom it's so the untrained or not knowing what happened is it looks like it was placed in her own right? But he but they don't this is what the news doesn't show you 20 seconds later. He picks it up and puts it in the holster right and never once ever. Did he say I found a taser right there near the body. He never ever sit, right? So then he describes like being punched and we had this doctor on board with us who's an expert in tasers and he invented some stuff for a defibrillator and he's like an expert with electricity in the human body. And he says if he felt like he was punched. He might have been tased, you know, and so I said to his father right Tom slager. I said Tom I go. Can you get me a uniform shirt? That's the same that was worn the same amount of times and washed the same amount of times and you know as the one he was wearing that day and at time goes yeah, I can do that for you. So he gets me a shirt and actually in a hotel room right there Dateline was with us they were doing is they were going to cover this? All case but then they started playing NBC played so many games they made up outright lies about the case, you know that we close disturb. You have video video. I have emails here. It's that moving admitting it sorry. We'll take that video down and they know that oh, yeah because they are trying to prove their narrative. That's false. Right? Exactly. It's totally makes me sick the creating the story of Heaven reporting on what's actually happened. They're just trying to steer it in Addis. Yeah the regicide case. Oh Connie Leung and this other guy recluse on take killed her parents and they dump them in the East River. Connie was Asian and Eric was black all these homicide re-creation shows want to do the show because they want to do the black Asian angle and that this and I told there was none the parents didn't not like her boyfriend because he was black right? They did not like her boyfriend because he was a loser right and when they hear I won't do that angle. They don't want nothing to do with the case anymore. Yeah. Yeah, the truth doesn't There now it doesn't it? No. Yeah. No. Yeah. So so we had Dateline with us. We were in a hotel. I was putting a bunch of experts together for Andy. He came into Brooklyn we had a hotel room and we're going through all this stuff and we had this guy Gene Maloney. I don't know if you know him from the range. He was NYPD guy. He worked at the range to a lot of instruction there for a long time and he brought a taser and I said the gene I go to taste does it taste her leave marks on a gun clothing when you fire it and you know and like a drive stun he goes. I don't know so we took one and he's undershirt. It's and we Zapped it, you know, like wow it does you could actually see two marks there. So that's why I said to his father get me the same uniform shirt. I want something because I can in forensics, you know, a brand-new shirt you ever ever spilled coffee on a brand-new pair of khakis and you're like, oh fuck and then you looking at beat it off and you're like, oh that was cool because like when it's article of clothing is new, it could be treated with something and that can affect the way blood gets absorbed into it. So so if you want so the history of the garments very So I wanted a garment with a similar history. So as father gets me the same kind of shirt. I get Gene over to my office. I said, let's zap this shirt. So we zap it and it's you know, dark dark blue like our shirts were right like this kind of blue. And so you look and you can't see anything but I used an infrared camera, right and the dye on the shirt reflects the infrared wavelengths, but so you can actually I could make your shirt look white, you know, if the depending on the type of dye, that's use this chart I can if there was blood on it I could find Right away using infrared photography. So with the infrared photography I was able to see where he Zapped the shirt. I was like, wow, that's cool. Right. So I was like here is that been here? Is that but there and every time I was able to find it I said, I'm going to leave the office put two like an X like this and don't tell me where it is. So I came back in and I scan the whole shirt and I was like, all right. It's over the left pocket. He goes. Yeah, you're right. So then I started to study what the marks were like because when you think about it, you got two fixed points. Right two prongs from this drive stunt. So there are certain distance apart. It was like three and a half centimeters. Right? So every time I did it it was approximately three and a half centimeters. So if the shirt stretched a little bit you think about your in a fight, right the shirt might be stretched and then when you detentions off of it, they'd be closer together. So but within that range is very important the bottom one was about a millimeter in diameter and the top one was a little bit smaller and the doctor explained to me that because the current travels from the bottom to the top. Top, right? So the and and then another thing is like if you think about the weave if you think about it in three dimension if you zoomed in really close on that shirt, you'd see the fibers, you know, the threads in that shirt are overlapping each other. So a weave is three-dimensional, right and all the damage was on the bottom part of the weave, right which makes sense because the top part is in contact with the probe of the taser and the bottom part is where the electricity is going to take off to it's like the Of least resistance, right? So I'm looking I'm getting all these characteristics of these two taser marks and then I finally was able to go to sled and just look at the shirt, you know and look at just wanted to look at some all the evidence that they had their you know, and that was my thing was I had this infrared camera. And so are you telling them your findings are you weren't telling them you out and telling him a shield and Robin? Yeah. I was telling us shit prosecution. Yeah, this is going to knock this shit right out of the water, right? Right, you know, yeah, so so yes, I go down there and I brought an alternate light source to because you think by wrestling maybe there's saliva. If you got Walter Scott's alive on his back. Maybe I could find out it also is you got to go in with an open mind and just look for everything. So I go I start opening my kit to take the alternate light source out, you know like that UV light and all that stuff, right? It doesn't work as well as it does on TV, but but it works for a lot of different things and they go. Oh, you can't use that you can't use that. That's that's an analysis. You're not here to analyze their Like that thought I was you know, like now so now it's back and forth lawyer in this net and he's like look just do what you got to do. Just take your pictures and I said, alright so so I take the I'm like I could use this camera right now like yeah, whatever candidates an infrared camera. It's even much better analysis than the oldies kick is never knew what that level saw one of those in the rear cameras that wise guy from New York City. Go get me a hotdog. He had a salami in the case with the damn camera here. So I take it I take a picture and I'm like, let me I said I'm just going to make sure that this that the cameras functioning I had my laptop and I put it in the laptop the card and I look and the first thing I see is two marks and I know taser Mark. Melancon. I've done it like a hundred times already and it was like you heard of Buck Fever for guys that go hunting. You see like a bark with the eight points and I was like bullshit. I'm like we got taste so well, so now I'm seeing marks consistent with what I know to be a taser Mark, right? And so I'm telling Andy I'm like this is this is serious stuff and so like like a week or so before the trial. He goes write a report about what you did tell me everything that you did. I'm like, all right, and I give it to him. He goes. I'm going to the solicitor's office and I'm going to give it to her. I'm like, no don't do that, but When you think about it like so I was pretty much like at all the people. I know I'm the first person ever do that to every use an infrared camera to find damage to a shirt. All right, don't try and raise your feed 300 or now. I'm sure like a hundred people already wrote it up like it's their idea, you know, right so so but the trouble with that is now it's not really, you know, the science can come under five. You know what I mean? Like, yeah. Well you're the first guy to do is how do we know? It's any good. Does it really work and like so even though I have all this criteria important and really That's why you know, so so I'm like I'm like don't give her don't give me this information. What's wrong with you? He goes, I just it's the right thing to do John he goes, I think it's going to Amy and he's a brilliant strategist. So he gives her this thing and she flips out right and she gives gives it to her laboratory and they go in and they headed they they figured out I was using an infrared camera because I also use a different camera to take other like, you know normal light white light. Yeah, yeah, so they took some infrared pictures, but I don't think they knew what the hell they were looking for. Like how can you take pictures of a shirt and you don't even zap your own shirt with a taser like eventually they started zapping a shirt with agent they figured it out. But then so what they did after that was to did a microscopic analysis of the shirt to look and see what the damage look like. Right? And what was happening was they would you could you would see melted fibers? So when they analyze Mike's shirt the actual shirt he was wearing that day. They found Mel. Fibers they said we can't rule out a taser as being the heat source of that caused as you know, so now Andy had a lot to work with when I took pictures with the infrared that you can actually see through pockets and stuff and I'm looking at the left breast pocket of his shirt and there's like a notebook in there. Like did anybody bother to fucking look through the shirt? Like like I said, it was like as soon as that video came out just put everything on a shelf. Don't worry. This is all we need hop, hop hop hop out, right? So yeah, so we so we had that evidence now and then if you look at the FBI video, right they did an enhancement on it. You'll see Walter Scott's right arm coming up and Mike stops is his arm and you'll see the taser tumbling behind them in the same trajectory as if he either through it. Yeah out of his hand or or you know, he was coming up to zap him again and and the taser fell out of his hand. But how is the taser? You know, they said, oh, he just decided Like Walter Scott at this. He's got his right arm like this. Right and he's starting to turn to the left and the state's theory was no he slager through the taser. He was tired of the taser and he said I'm just going to shoot this motherfucker. Yeah, you know, so he threw the taser down right like that makes that like that makes sense, you know, so yeah so that and a whole bunch of other stuff. We did in audio enhancement of his body mic and you can hear Walter Scott and he says like, you know get on the ground. He says fuck police, right? And this is the guy like he's like a saint in the media if you look at his Great, they put his gentle giant the for a gentle giant. Yeah, they couldn't get away with the sixth grade graduation picture because it was 50 years old, but they but they bring out his Coast Guard picture, but they forget to mention that he got thrown out of the Coast Guard would look for cocaine to lose, you know, but since I'm doing a live, yeah, it is Coast got you. Yeah. So what happened with the case? Well, we on a state level we hung the jury, right? So all 12 said it's not murder all 12. And they said it's not a racial thing and seven to twelve wanted to acquit on manslaughter, but they couldn't make up their mind. But in the meantime the feds this was under the Obama, you know doj, right which we see what they what they're capable of, you know, if he says get this guy for this they're going to get that guy for that or get her off for doing this they're going right. That's that's that doj so they don't get politically. But anyway, so they weave this web of charges against them where every single charge had an underlying Charge of murder. So if you took a plea for spitting in a street, he could also get 30 years for murder. Right? So but when all the facts came out and there was like a pre-sentencing recommendation. I think he was supposed to get like 12 years and he already done bunch of time, you know, he went up for so this happened April 4th of 2015. They didn't do his bail hearing until September 11th of 2015, right? So he's in jail all the time his sons brand-new baby boy never got to hold them, you know. And then the judge didn't and so that they and he had a whole set up at his house with the that was catered with with a priest to baptize the baby and everything to welcome them home from jail and the judge said no, I'm going to deny him bail. He's a threat to the community right a guy who was on patrol for five years, you know, so anyway, so because the federal case was very dangerous. It was like a landmine trying to True that you know and Andy said look he goes if you get convicted of just the littlest offense, he said it was 7:00 to 5:00 on voluntary manslaughter and a lot of those jerries that voted to acquit him on voluntary manslaughter said that they might have got him for involuntary manslaughter. So just a much less of much lesser charge. Yeah, but so but if there was a similar charge in the federal level he could still get the 30 years for the murder, you know, so it was a it was a real. So what was that was a hit job? Where is he today? He's in Colorado. He's in prison stolen. Yeah, he got 20 years the judge came 20 years, you know, yeah. Yeah son and his wife moved out there with the Sun. So he sees his son on occasion. He's in a decent facility. It's not a bad, you know, it's not it's federal prison though. You're in prison man. Yeah. He's actually there's like a camp portion of the prison that he's not and he's in like the regular population there and that's where Go of itches member blog. Oh from the nice haircut. Yeah that from he was he was a governor of Illinois and taking try to sell Obama's senate seat. It's good next thing, you know, it's an amazing so he didn't get off. I mean you yeah. Well lighten the load but he didn't know right? Yeah, I'll even that the the Michael Brown case. Look at what the Press did with that. Yeah right until they Added finding out the truth and the truth takes time to find out exactly mean sure and the fact that like the physical evidence like this. The spent cartridges were inside the car and the fact that there was blood inside the car and all that. No one wanted to hear that and the whole thing with the hands up don't shoot don't shoot that never happened never happened never happened by the Press reported that like that was gospel. Yeah, pro football players were doing those protests and it never ever happened to him. Yeah is not a bleep idiot. It's disturbing what the Press they can do with these cases. You gotta look at it this way. It's a business right and the more pissed off and afraid they can make people the more business they're going to get because now what are you going to do? You're going to go out to the streets and start a riot you're going to protest and people get a break window. So it's more news. So you're actually creating more business with the more fear you can instill in people so scary part is that we're at a certain age right now where we see this and we're old enough to watch watch the plays unravel. You know, you'd like a football here your quarterback and you can see what really happened you can decipher it plus we have law enforcement experience for the average civilian. Especially the young people they just they don't want to work that hard to find their news. It just take it for Batum. We went through that with blinders for our most of our Lives think about all the stories that we thought about when we were younger, you know, really high profile couple of them. We've had Michael O'Keefe exactly and the lies and but you believe it unless you have family Beloved family that's Lon forstman or your law enforcement or just above you always going to the party is going to side with what you watching in the news because they're telling me the truth and not on a daily basis. We're seeing that know they just lied to us on a daily basis and make it parts parts that they don't know. I used to love that in the pool. You know, we I know the case like the back of my hand and parts that they didn't know they were just simply make it won't you? Listen? It's one thing to read an article in a newspaper the The day after a crime of murder, right? Because you just who's not the cops aren't talking to you you're getting piecing it together for people in the street. They want to tell you anything. So I get it you get it you'll get some leeway. But if you're doing a 20/20 expose 60-minute Expo and you're still getting it wrong because you're choosing to overlook evidence or not toilet. Somebody slipped it one way or another because that's the narrative. They want look one of the things I hated about the NYPD was that their policy on the Ray Kelly. Was to give the Press everything. Yeah, and it was like, why are we telling them this how we going to get suspects? There's nothing secret about this case. So if we get somebody and he's gonna bullshit us, we can't we have nothing that they don't know that wasn't out there in the Press, but that was still at policy. Oh, yeah, let them know. He always wanted the Gun Kelly like whatever we get who posed with the gun? Yeah, and that's you know, how to fuck up our crime scenes at all. Right, like we don't get some likewise back to come on to pull Mission once again, like we're nowhere near getting to that gun. Too bad, we're gonna get like, you know, it's not even rendered safe ago. He would you gonna go pick that? Yes, we supposedly did 11:45 so they can do a press conference with yeah, Jeff and also how about it? Did they bring it back when they were done and put it. In fact, we have human swab it anyway. All right, right think of how that hurts you as the chain of custody is it? Yeah commission is going to need just for a little while. We'll bring it back in an hour. When was it again on the scene like this? You know, I like my favorite story with that was we had the case with this prostitute. Boyfriend killed this Holocaust Survivor and up East Side Felix. Brinkmann was his name and that more one morning. We had all the purpose I did because there was more than those two involved and dcpi calls me Deputy Commissioner public information. They say what's going on with the case. I said we have good news about everyone ID. We're going out to get them in about an hour guy says, yeah like what? I mean? Yeah, he goes. What's their names? I said I'm not telling you their names and this little bucket detective little suck boy hands the phone to an inspector who starts screaming at me, who are you to tell me or not? That's inspector. I made it up right on the spot. I said Chief Matarazzo ordered me not to tell you. He's so pissed because now he has a chief bitch slapping him. You know, that wasn't true. I lied to him, but I didn't need them given the names of the perps to the press and then We will get a confession because they'll lawyer right up. But yeah, so we've got them they all confessed. Now you can have the name jet decades at One PP. Yeah, I gotta ask you this. Okay. So you were you were an expert on the crime scenes now, there's a lot of mistakes so some young officers maybe even some veteran officers detectives investigators bosses. They still making mistakes that crime scene. Can you give us like a little list of things not to do no matter how obvious they are what not to do. To do when you arrive at a crime scene so you don't destroy it. Well, especially for departments that don't get that many homicides right? Don't get that many shootings. What are some things? Well some things that give us both sides gives us the things definitely don't do this and you should probably do this just simple stuff. That's tough because I like I said, every single scene is unique, you know became let's say it's a shooting. Yeah, you get the bodies there. Perp is gone. Let's say tuna and an apartment. I've been in the house. Yeah, dude, like what is the thing, you know, obviously there's some things that are so obvious but these people still do them. Like should I be smoking it? Nobody smokes anymore, but should I be smoking a cigarette inside the crime scene? And now remember like burning coffee on the stove to get the smell out? No, you shouldn't do that. I can't do that. Yeah, like I remember body was right though. Remember in in the five-o one-time. It was looking for some ballistic evidence and I was like, there's a couple The guys from the squad standing there, you know, this is I think that's a piece of bullet jacket guys almost stepping on and he goes. Oh, yeah, he pulls a pen out and he's like think think think think think he's like, yeah, I think it's copper buddy. You're looking for microscopic little striations on it thinking about bye-bye. So you don't want to do that. How about coffee? Can you have coffee inside the crime scene bring coffee? Okay. It depends on it depends on the scene, you know, sometimes you know, it depends on a seen an outdoor scene, you know, like if I'm the boss and I'm standing in a shot as I've ever have a cup of cold though job you Little bit our protocol is like, you know to protect the crime scene. So who do they put to protect it a rookie cop with about 22 seconds on the job. Who's gonna go Chief? What's your Shield attacked number? Like it's gonna just bitch-slap this little newbie the that work thus putting the I know they have to give out their Shield numbers of the command will actually chant eaters some bosses. You know, what used to work was you take the camera out, you know, because that was a big deal was trying to clear your crime scene, right? Because listen, well, you know how it is when you get there. Especially at what's going to incur everybody's there? They're all there if you take the camera on nobody wants to be on film. Right? Right. You just started anybody's gonna start scatter like roaches when the lights come on or are you just saying like like listen if anybody who's in a pull some swabs that like, I'm just going to need a DNA sample. Yeah. Oh man, but the best thing is like the chief would always come in what not like, you know chief of detectives Chief, you know, I usually see from Patrol. Yeah it come in. Alright, so and they always had a At the Rog, so I use sort of like the Aikido method, you know, like you use their their Force against themselves, you know, I'd say chief of glad you're here. You know, I got so many there's so many out respect. Just tell my God. I got so many unauthorized people in my crime scene. Can I borrow your Authority just to kick and you know, yeah. Hey you gotta get out of here, you know, perhaps he's got to come in and then he realizes a my dumb asses in here, too. And all right. You got it start yet. Got it. Chief - he's gonna have to Testify you're all on camera. Make sure all your memory books are up today. And I got funny story about that. Did you work the dr. Cox case member that doctor that City got acid poured on him in a robbery. I didn't now, you know I'm talking about though. There was like a stock that he was the plastic surgeon to the Stars, right? He's a 80 something-year-old guy and apparently he just had a brain fart and got into a really a tub that had like boiling water in it. But and so he's like oh shit, you know, I got to This look good for myself. So you makes up a story that he got robbed and the perps threw acid on him. All right, but then if you look at the body sheet like he's got burns from here was he drunk now, he was old man. It's so deep. Can you get it? I guess you put your one foot. Then he's gonna stick you ever stick your hand and really hot water at first. It feels almost cold. It's like I don't know so I don't know but but so we're looking through his opinions. I'm dying, right he goes out of the picture and that yeah. Yeah kill them. Yes, we got yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but then he like wrapped himself up in plastic this to go out and make this allegation. It was a way it was a whole weird thing, you know, so of course the were at the apartment and it was Frank Sinatra's old apartment like in the upper 70s on East Side some day when I'm awfully low when the world is cold tub is so of course, everybody wants to go it is like, you know, big new big media case and all the stuff right so I got One of my detectives he was he was a hair bag, you know and the crime scene unit. I love him. Yeah, he was the hair back because I had big took out of the side of the mouth wanted this is why I think it's going on. Yeah. So so all these turns out said dr. Cox like the young Dominican boys used to go down to the Dr would but bottles of hundred milligram Viagra drawers or the thing that was his vacation. So we had condoms and Co x + Co C KS. Yeah. It's the phonetic works just fine. So so we get this so I got my Detective Joe. He's he's a character, you know, he was he would just speak his mind all the time. So all these Chiefs are walking around, right? What do we got here? And so he says to this Chief sister Jo was so what do you think? What are you going to do next and their boxes of condoms, he goes well chief he goes first thing we should do is run all the serial numbers on those condoms and he goes, oh this serial numbers on condoms. He goes, I guess you never had the roll it down that fire chief. Like all right John, it's enough. Yeah, it took him a minute and he's already funny. Yeah. All right. Let's just be working in Staten Island tomorrow morning and pull out the camera name is the chief and same image get back on patrol with all that knowledge. So mrs. Staten Island 1 1 2 O Adam, that's where he's more classic. What else can we ask you man? Let me ask them. How often do you go out on these forensics for all jobs. Do you get steady work for real for real science and six for real? Yeah. How often do you get the hired to do I get calls all the time? You know, I'm actually wanting to slow down a little bit most of the point you say all the time once a week once a month. Well, it depends I guess maybe one a couple of Money Getting called out for what company it's rare. It's rare for me to get a crime scene, you know, especially crime scene. You know, that's not totally already been processed. You know, how many lasers are you getting those? Those those films crime scene now, are you getting a lot of those? Yeah, I don't do you get at all to evaluate them class? So have a guy for that. You know, I mean like you know how to Police Department is compartmentalize this like if I get a like a like a scan or Pharos, can I have a guy for that? That's that's his own one of that's his everything I can't. Okay. Well, I I am incapable, you know, that's like when I go to a Seen I like strings and all that stuff and I liked it. But for me, it's like if you can't do it the old-fashioned way, you shouldn't have a machine that does this stuff for because you can actually use those machines and reconstruct the impact angle of a bullet you could do things like that. But if you don't understand how to do it with a string and a ballistics work, I do my I do all that do your own bullets? Yeah. Wow. Yeah impact. I know. I mean the the amazing thing about ballistics people don't realize there's so many areas on the bullet that can be identified you get the A boy the primer Mark right where the it's firing pin and print Shot firing pin Impressions, right? You got the tool marks on the shell that when it ejects the shell right? What's that called? Yeah, there's the extractive argument is also inject them on and you have the breech face the the obviously both ballistic stuff on the bullet slides of the bullet. Yeah. I can't even think what that's called anymore because I'm having a brain fart. Yeah. It's the lands and grooves like the waves crash stuff. So there's many things to look at. At ya got everyone realizes that you know, and then even sometimes in the rarest occasion, you can pull a fingerprint off with shell right but very rare that yeah, there's all kinds of new stuff coming out with that now, I mean, it's been done and it's very it's a very difficult thing because when you thinking of new stuff we wanted to talk about the facial recognition. I promised our audience that weíll ask you about that and also about these things 23 and me. Yeah ancestry.com. Let's start off with that one. What? Your opinion on these sending your DNA into these companies. Well, if you're if you're wanted for an offense where you probably left your DNA at the crime scene, don't do it. Right. What about if your family's though, if anything there's a whole familial search and all that kind of stuff that can be done. I mean, you know, I do a lot of Defense work, but my heart still a cotton in the police department, you know, I think it's an excellent resource for law enforcement to get information from you know, so I I'm glad I had an uncle that was annoying. You know, he was like always over the house eating us out of house and home borrowing money. I know he does he's done some bad things might go I might send the swab in but you might want a white might want to try to match this up with this guy Hector Hector you're done just to get him out of the house. You know, I wouldn't be surprised if that's not going to happen in the future if people just given up their family. Yeah, you know, he just to get him out of the house just to get them out of the way. Enjoying some time with these people are each rhenium and they drain the whole they bring down the whole family. Don't take a vacation for a little while. Give me some peace. So you don't think it's a good idea right what to send your DNA to the government. I mean to these companies are you know, I mean there's this to this couple sides to it, right? I think it's an interesting thing what they're doing and and the bigger the database gets the more information. They're going to be able to give you know to you as a client. And so the more people in the world that submit their DNA the larger the database and the more they're going to say I'll guess what you guys are all from the same region over here and it's like so so to discourage people from doing it. I think medically it's interesting because if you have some pattern and your family for cancer, for example, and now you've discovered through your DNA, well, that's obvious and I or maybe you did it know it. Now the preventive care obviously you get you get a leg up on that you get into taking advantage of that. Okay. I need to avoid this. You know, that's going to be really interesting getting a chart of the things that you should avoid because otherwise they're going to trigger this type of Health stuff and I would imagine if you follow that regimen and can prove it. You probably get big reductions any medical insurance. Yeah. It's good stuff like that. Yeah, if if you're one of the people and yeah, but there's people out there doing man. I see people getting up it's like Sunday morning. Meaning it's 6:40 in the morning. It's you know already know it's going to be a hundred and twenty degrees today, but you got to go out and run you fucking asshole. Really, correct? Really you mother fell we take the day off and God forbid you miss a day you machine. It's the point of living life. And all right. Let's talk about facial recognition. Yeah, that's a that's a big thing now. Yeah, that's a little outside of my area. Like, I'm not a tech guy. I'm not the now that you see that yeah, you know knowing what you know and crime scene and stuff like that. That and and the fact that you mentioned that it was part of a case, which case were you talking about where they Wonder but doing some facial recognition. You mentioned it earlier. Well, they don't Austin marathon. Yeah boss man. Oh, yeah the Boston Marathon thing. Yeah. Yeah, there's on a of brothers were identified through social network at that face. After face that people like, oh, it's so funny. Look at how I look old. First of all, I'm already getting old. I want to see how much all I don't really know. What happened with that. Was that some sort of a spicy little say in the Russians put that up there so they can who knows fact the next election. You know how they have you when you look the way you look now and they're going to have you that we can already project how you're going to look when you're older. You send this your DNA we know where you for politically because your social media. Yeah, we know your family your friends. I didn't expect to live this long, you know, so I don't give a damn what I live. I'm still here in 20 years. It's a all right, we made it. We made it through the 80s and the 90s on the police department. Mm. I believe we made a loan. Yeah. I stepped out more or less unscathed except we have PTSD all of us. Yeah, how often do you work? Like, what is it? What is the work week? Look I feel the work every day where yeah, I got case work. I could do every day every single day, you know, but you know how it is like well, it's the same thing with the police for me is I get a job that comes in and right away. I got to start doing all my work all my analysis a lot of most of the time it's just photos, you know, a lot of times I'll go look at the physical evidence and bayous so my little trick photography my Infrared and all that kind of stuff and whatever it depends some people don't want you touching it some people let you do whatever you want to it, you know, they'll give you a bag here. This is yours. You know, they you got no clean place to lay it out on so I was bring my own rolls of paper and stuff to preserve the Integrity of the evidence. So you got butcher paper in the cartoon. Yeah. I got it about that when you got Cleaver when you get drug tested on the police department, they put your leg on a smelly brown paper bag right the shaver. Well, that's clean. That's forensically they could be cocaine old a piece of brown paper. And that's where you that's my career right there honey. I had one of my detectives he was a character right? He's going bald, you know, and so they like where do you want us to take the hair from you know, your legs are your head and he goes listen he goes I'm losing most of my hair already. So please don't take it from my head and goes and I have a boat. So I'm out there. So I really don't want you to shave my legs he goes up, but my wife tells me. Got a hairy ass so she's so she's laughing and he goes I'm serious. And if this guy was good. Yeah some guys like they can just keep this and so so she goes and she kind of like walks away into like the supervisors office and the door closes and it was about he said it was about three or four minutes later the boss just opens the door and he yells out. No way has hair. It's a protective shaving my legs. I was busted. His balls dude. Are you really like your job your little bucket good. The guy the guy who we had a sergeant that used to do it for housing. Right? And he goes It goes yeah. I wanted a detail I asked for a detail and they said you're in because but I thought they said you're in but it was urine whenever you step up to the to the thing he goes he goes he hands you to copy goes at first you're going to feel a small prick, you know, the way they take the hair though. They don't finish shaving. Like that, it just keep it on like doing like three or four different spots on one leg. So now if it's the middle of summer and you go into the beach, you look like there's something wrong with you. Right right. Do me. Yeah, like you know that leg looks so wow. That doesn't look good. You got Patches of hair missing. What's the matter with you? So now you have to shape the you have to shave both legs and then your chest and your arms. That's my excuse to dress, but this is great man. I can't believe the second hour was so so fast. Damn is a great man. Thank God man. Thanks for coming by. Thank you very much. All listeners are getting a plethora I learned that word in ecology is no of of different points of view in the police service and prosecution and it's pretty damaged or thing. I have to say but before we go one more question, do you have a lot of girls that ask you to either follow their husbands or their boyfriends or they bring you some of their something that they want you to collect collect DNA off of it not okay. That's that's that you will know. I'm a license Pi gonna make sure He was jumped Lucci. Take all the other way what I said, what's your address again? Talk loudly about being a crime scene in this I would imagine that you had a ton of women is like I don't trust my husband for nothing. This is his brush. I bet you there's his from his girlfriend in here to something like that. I would imagine your pockets are filled with alcohol prep pads, if your current law enforcement and you happen to pull this gentleman over all that stuff in his car is be for crime scenes, okay? It's right. There's a legitimate serious. He's not a serial killer. Well Bill any parting words that again that this was great. It's a lot of fun. And as Mark was saying we're hoping audience is picking up every week. We get a bigger and bigger audience and we're hoping to be picked up and shortly with thinking we're going to go National and that's going to happen and we'll thanks votantes. We have a confirmation will let that cat out of the bag. But all you people have been listening week-to-week. Thank you so much for being there fanciful. Off the cuff of route in a radio call somewhere. It's 95 degrees you one day could become a crime scene detective being a bloody smelly filthy apartment in nineteen times x suit and a tie pin suit with alcohol prep pads loaded in your pockets. That's well before one more time. I just want to mention. What is it Artie foundation.com. Is it that come to say that how about the back this is Ang a.org I looked it up online. It's a great Foundation. They they help of Veteran families people who have lost. Members of the Armed Forces in battle and stuff like that and they make donations. They look for volunteers as well to help all the families like that. They connect people who have actually lost lost family members, and they're doing a great job out there. And for those of you who have foundations and stuff like that and you have T-shirts, you know, send them over. We'll get you an address soon. We will take any type of clothing. I wear a double X. No Joe. I'm John. Thanks for having me. Thanks for coming down. Should you time see you speak at I tell you a little bit. It was Irish. I can hide you in Rome. They can you always fat accumulation. What's the furthest you've ever traveled? I went to Paraguay and exhumed the body down there. Really? Yeah, I was I got a call from a lawyer says I need a DNA expert. I'm like, what do you mean? I'm not a scientist. What do you need? I need somebody to exhume a body down in Paraguay and collect and collect the DNA and I'm like, I'm your man and then I'm on a computer where the fuck is Paraguay. I know it's South America, but do it. Bring a bathing suit. Yeah, we definitely like mountain climbing gear. What do I need somebody from there? They got a soccer team to live in the world couple time. Yeah. So all the carabinieri and Italy the end. What's your the other ones the police? Yeah, Carmen, yeah arm of the police and like to shout out to my carbonara friends. I'm going to send this over to him, you know. Yeah, we have one of these things we have to travel you need somebody to carry all this stuff the cave Venice. What's the best restaurant or Tau only got a hundred fifty an hour for that? Listen about do it for a lot less money coming for forensics for free. But is it called again forensics for real number for yeah, okay free for us. It's up to you. All right, man. I'll be half of police off the cuff. That's another we are end the tour here. Excellent come back and visit again.

John Paolucci completed a diverse and groundbreaking career in the NYPD, spending his final eight (8) years as a supervisor in the Forensic Investigations Division. Four (4) of those years were spent as a Crime Scene Unit supervisor where he was responsible for responding to crime scenes to coordinate and assist in the identification, collection and documentation of all types of forensic evidence. He worked on many high profile cases and generated written synopses or ‘recaps’ that would be presented to executive level managers and often used to disseminate information to the media. From the Crime Scene Unit, he was selected to be the first ever commanding officer of a new unit called the OCME Liaison Unit. In this position, he would vet all DNA evidence submitted for analysis in the City of New York and was designated as the “One Voice” for the NYPD when outside agencies had any questions about forensic evidence either in the NYPD laboratory or at the Office of Chief Medical Examiner (OCME) for DNA analysis. His efforts drastically reduced DNA analysis turn-around times in New York City, and as a result he was awarded the Unit Citation by the Mayor and Police Commissioner in 2010. He was also promoted to Detective Sergeant in 2010. John Paolucci reviewed thousands of cases, often examining photos to determine if the forensic evidence that was collected would benefit from analyses other than those requested by the investigators. He worked with OCME to develop new protocols for documenting DNA evidence, and the entire NYPD’s forensic evidence collection practices were totally revamped based largely on laboratory analysis results that were collated and interpreted by Mr. Paolucci. In this capacity he trained thousands of NYPD and other federal and local agencies on the probative value of forensic evidence, documenting forensic evidence, and collecting DNA exemplars from suspects. In retirement, John formed Forensics 4 Real Inc. to impart his knowledge and understanding of forensic evidence and crime scene investigations to students of forensics as well as law enforcement first responders and investigators by providing a true to life perspective on how evidence is identified and handled in the field as well as in the laboratory. He also works as an expert witness and has worked on homicide investigations in the states of Kentucky, Texas, South Carolina as well as his native New York State. John was also hired to travel to Paraguay to exhume a body to collect DNA evidence as part of an international insurance fraud investigation. Despite interference from the government that almost resulted in his arrest, John was able to conclude that the body buried in Paraguay was not the insured, saving the insurance company over $3 million. (From his consulting site, https://www.forensics4real.com/ )

Fantasy industry vets Joe Dolan and Tom Brawley are bringing it all season long on the fantasy free agents podcast unrestricted, unaffiliated unparalleled fantasy football analysis. Greg Cosell might be off today, but the fantasy free agents are not off today. I am Joe Dolan from fantasy free agents.com. And that's Tom Brawley. And if you don't know well now, you know fantasy free agents.com is up and running and it's a place to get our our rankings and our thoughts Tom. I got to be honest. We've already published more articles than I thought we were going to we have a bunch of rankings breaks Downs like breaking down our rankings breaking down some a P values your you're delving into post type Sleepers at every position and I wrote an absolute Treatise on my most drafted players thus far that went up yesterday. I'm really enjoying what we're doing up there at the blog and I think the people are enjoying it as well. Yeah. I liked your best ball. You know what you have in the wall at article there. I think we'll probably Mabel just like alternate weeks just were you know, you do one week and I'll do the next will update it every week so that you know, that's up there every week going into the season and you know the post type dates it just kind of taken a look at you know, every guy that was kind of going very high last year and whether there's reason to believe in them or not. So I've had a lot of fun doing that and you know kind of discovered some guys that you know, hey, we'd like these guys a lot last year. Why don't we still like them? So, you know, we've been having a little bit of fun with the podcast podcast and now we're getting a delve into some writing again. It's a lot of fun. So in case you're wondering where Greg is he's out west he's on in La he's on set with Howard this week so he'll be back next week as we start to actually break down some real actions some real preseason games Tom. I believe the Hall of Fame game is tonight. This is August 1st. Yeah, we probably should talk about that. There is some football tonight. You know, I think the I saw some lines and stuff like that. It's two and a half. I believe that from the gay audience generates 34 and a half is the over under he's so yeah real if you want to get in on that action. The Broncos are the the small favorite against the Falcons. There are a lot of people in the industry who disagree with me. I do not play DFS in the preseason. I don't trust myself. I know there's people who think they can get an advantage by doing so and that's wonderful. I don't do it. I don't bet really on the preseason. I use this is when I focus my time on the regular season Tom and this is when I have usually to best ball drafts going at all times and every time I have a spare 45 minutes I pick up an envelope. And enter a fast one. So that's what my focus is on. I don't know if you handle it any differently and reasonable people disagree with me. I know the some of the guys I listened to her better as they think there's an advantage to be gained in the preseason. I just don't think I'm that smart. Yeah, I'll place the occasional bet on a side if you know, I I'm getting you know reading articles or whatever where it looks like, you know, one team might be playing it starters longer or you know, it's better players longer. But yeah, I don't get too much into I mean I'm more for you know looking. At the usage of these players, especially the younger guys that are playing, you know behind the first team offense to see if anybody's kind of emerging or that's what I really use for the preseason here. So Tom, I want to remind people just really quickly if you like what we do. There is a PayPal donation link up at Fantasy free agents.com the support we've gotten has been outrageous. We are so excited about that. So thank you very much. You can also support the podcast with a monthly donation for as little as Since a month there's a link to do that in the show notes and really quickly Tom you and I are both participating in the Roto wire online championships at the nff. See I am drafting on August 20th at 9:30 p.m. You are drafting on August 27th at 9:30 p.m. In the beat Joe Dolan and beat Tom Brawley contests. I know those spots are filling up really quick because I've been checking them if you want to get in and compete against us for the two hundred thousand dollar grand prize, make sure Sure you do that. There's instructions to do. So in the show notes as well and reach out to us on Twitter, and we'll help you through the process, but Tom before we get into our interview with college football expert Matt Brown because this is college football season. This is predominantly going to be a fantasy football NFL podcast, but you and I follow college football as a hobby. It's kind of an escape from the NFL for us, and I love making bets on college football and Matt helps us through that. He's going to talk to us for about 40 minutes. It's going to be a great interview. You're into college football. But before we get to that, I do want to touch on some of the news from training camp and Tom we talked about it on our last podcast, but we've got it now. Now that we have more information readjust AJ Green yet. Again. He did need surgery on that. Ankle. He's not expected to miss a ton of time but head coach Zack Taylor came out and said it's looking like he's going to miss some regular season games and it now feels like the worst case scenario is on. On the table. I said on the last podcast I said the worst case scenario to me is they hold him out through their week through their week 9 by put them on IR dfr that seems like it is now on the table their hope is that he misses just a game or two of the regular season, but you now have to take that worst-case scenario into account when you're drafting AJ Green when you're considering AJ Green, what does this do for you Tom? I'm going to make this a three layered question. What does this do to AJ Green for you? What is this due to Tyler boy for you? And what does this do to Joe Mixon for you? Yeah, I've moved him down a little bit more. I'm not taking it as Grim Outlook as you are, but you know, I think you know before we were kind of like hey, maybe he doesn't miss any time. Maybe it's three or four games. Now, I would lean more towards the three or four games. I've adjusted the rankings a little bit more drop them behind Tyler Lockett and Cooper cup. He's 21st overall, you know, I'll still give it another. A week or two here. Maybe we'll get a few more reports and but I mean there's a chance he could sink even further. I you said that you you're going to be taking Tyler board over them. Now. I moved to either buoyed up a little bit. So now they're 21 and 24 overall, you know, if we don't get positive reports in a couple weeks Boyd will definitely be ahead of AJ Green and a little bit here. So you still have green ahead avoid. Yes. Okay. Well, yeah, I mean see I personally would have would have boy to had a green right now. I don't know where I'd take green probably seventh round but it is something you need more information on at this stage. Yeah, I don't want to totally over at because I you know, if it's just two games AJ Green could be a massive value at that level. So, you know, obviously there's a little bit more downside now with how you know Taylor basically, you know, he's going to miss time. So, you know, you don't like to hear that, you know, usually coaches are more vague and like hey could this time so for him, too? Definitively to come out and say you know that he's going to miss time definitely puts this more on the negative side Michael Thomas from the Saints Tom signs a 100 million dollar extension. It makes him the highest-paid wide receiver in the history of professional football. I doubt this does anything to the rankings because we weren't worried at all about him not appearing in Camp. He just wanted to get this deal done. There was indications. It was closed. Does this change how you feel about Michael Thomas at all? This doesn't change how I feel about Michael Thomas, but you know, I also just like this getting done. That means you know, we got holy oh Jones. We got a Mario, you know, we have other receivers looking to get contracts done. So we get one of the big Domino's out of the way, maybe more will fall here. This is good for everybody. You know, this is kind of what we want to see what the running backs what we want to see one of these running backs get a deal done. Maybe that helps get other deals done. So this is just a good piece of information here, you know, hopefully we avoid other situations Kalin balázs is banged up and dolphins Camp. Tommy hasn't practiced in a a couple of days but reading a report here from ESPN's Cameron wolf. He's projecting basically a 50-50 touch split with Kenyan Drake and kahlan balázs. I have not drafted Drake a Tall Blond has been much cheaper. I even did a draft last night Tom in the in the play Draft mini basketball championship. The five-dollar entry balázs want the 11th round. I mean, he's still affordable and you can think the Dolphins are going to stink but a guy who could lead the team in rushing being drafted in the 11th round. Hell of an investment to make in a best ball league. Yeah, I won't be surprised with all the news coming out here that you know, he starts to sneak up into the ninth 10th rounds of giraffes here in the next week or two. All the momentum seems to be going towards balázs and you know Drake just can't yeah that just can't earn the trust of you know, multiple cult coaching staffs now there I mean there has to be something behind this. So Drake has been on my undrafted will list all summer just like you And I don't see that changing May tie, you know, maybe if he starts to, you know, maybe if their ATP start to get kind of similar then I would start to like Drake because you know, he does have that passing Dimension. So, you know, I'm not totally off Drake but it's going to take him fall start falling into the seventh eighth ninth rounds before I really start to consider them in Green Bay both their top running backs, Aaron Jones and Jamaal Williams are sitting out with hamstring injuries. I don't think either looks particularly serious, but it is noteworthy that Aaron Jones Miss time. Training camp with a hamstring injury as well. And he's missed time with knee injuries. Each of the last two years. I'm still in on Jones Williams is cheap at the end of drafts, but it's probably time if you're in best ball or in a dynasty or deeper League that we start looking at the rookie Dexter Williams out of Notre Dame. Yeah. He's getting a some first team work here. Now, you know a guy that's pretty readily available towards the ends of you know, 17th 18th rounds of drafts so might be time to start considering him a little bit here. I'm with you though. I've taken a lot of Jones and I've taken a lot of Williams in my draft so far and you know, I don't like to see what you know hamstrings are one injury that can linger into the season, you know, what you know, these guys aggravate them all the time. So this isn't the best news coming out of camp out of Packers Camp Tom. We are getting some significant hype out of Redskins Camp. Yeah, baby ready for this on two particular players and I want to ask you about them both one of them one of them. You are just not going to talk me off of because Ray Quinn is tied for my most drafted wide receiver because I drafted him last night even after I wrote the article of my most drafted players. I added another tray Quinn share last night. And I mean, he's has the slot job locked down. I saw a report literally today from Redskins camp that he made a one-handed catch. I believe it was from Craig Hoffman. He made a one-handed catch catch on a pass thrown by Case Keenum, and it seems like the reporters. They're all in that health is the only Question for Trey Quinn, he's he's his ATP is finally going to rise I had to take him in the sixteenth round last night time. Why don't the bank? Oh, yeah, I mean, but seriously, but there's also hype on Jordan Reed. Jordan Reed says, he feels explosive that's good because he didn't look explosive last year. He didn't have any offseason surgeries. I saw heaven Silva bring that up that you know, he's recovering. I haven't drafted read it all because I just saw what he looked like last year and I was like this guy he Move, but I can see the value in it for sure as a tight end to and best ball drafts. What is your feeling on Jordan Reed and Trey Quinn? I'm right there with you. I've taken a lot of Quinn to not not nearly as much as you have. But you know, he's been a guy that I've been targeting towards the end of drafts with Quincy and noon was well and you know, I took Josh Gordon and you know as my seventh receiver and some spots earlier in the summer, so, you know, I'm all-in with Quinn, you know, I don't think he's going to be awesome, but I do not know but I think he could average 8 to 12 points a week, which is you know it with some little bit upside if he scores a touchdown, so and that's valuable the read stuff. I mean, I like the positive reports, but I haven't been too excited, but he just did not look right last year. Maybe maybe get some of that explosiveness that explosiveness back, but I'm not quite buying into the hype just yet. And I mean this goes the same for you know, Trey Quinn, but you know this quarter Situation isn't exactly the most to get excited about so I've liked other tight ends in his general area there. I've been taking more shots on, you know, like a jack Doyle or know if Aunt and Mark Andrews in those spots, so maybe I'll start getting a little bit of read, but I really haven't draft them yet Tom we used to do an article called mr. Relevant at our old site and we're probably gonna have to retitle that but we're probably going to do a sister but you know, mr. Plus 150. Yeah, yeah, so I don't know what will come up with creative name for that. But we're gonna what we'll do that. We'll do that as a podcast but let's bring up two guys here who are who are getting Camp height first and foremost Maurice Harris and Patriots Camp. I mean, they're basically considering this guy a full-time starter at this stage. That's a wonderful guy to add late in your drafts and also, He's come out of retirement. Keyshawn Johnson spelled differently than the Keyshawn Johnson who's on TV but Keyshawn Johnson the rookie receiver for the Arizona Cardinals. He's a guy making impact. I know Hakeem Butler was kind of the better Prospect and obviously Andy Isabella who's also having a nice camp, but Keyshawn Johnson looks like he's somebody to keep an eye on that a Cardinals Camp somebody to watch in the preseason. Those are two guys Maurice Harris and Keyshawn Johnson who you might want to start adding to the back end of your bed. Ball rosters. Yeah, they're guys that have played better than ever, you know, the guys that were thought to be ahead of them. So, you know, Keyshawn Johnson is you know, he's even playing ahead of Isabella I saw here so, you know making a little bit of noise here. We know Kyler Murray and Kliff Kingsbury probably going to throw it over 600 times this year. So I think you know Cristian Kirk and Fitzgerald of kind of you know, emerged here at the top. I haven't taken very much Isabel II haven't liked his price all summer. I know. For Life. Yeah, and now I don't like it even more so maybe Keyshawn Johnson is a guy to consider toward that back end Maurice Harris. I want to see this Patriots thing play out a little bit more, you know, he did flash a bit for the Redskins over the last couple of years, but I kind of want to see how this Patriots wide receiver course shakes out a little bit more Demaryius Thomas really hasn't taken the field yet. I mean, Don Chao Inman has been very solid every time that he's gotten a chance to play the last couple of years. So I'm a little more hesitant on the Maurice Harris stuff. All right, Tom. We're going to get to Matt Browns interview here as we look at some college football betting which is going to be fantastic. You guys are going to really like this if you're into college football and after we wrap up that interview with Matt Brown, we're going to talk our team to a days and wrap up the podcast. 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He is a voter he will write about his process and voting historical context and opinion all mixed in we are thrilled to welcome mat to the program at how are you doing? I'm doing great. Thanks for having me Joe. So guys just for context. This is a fantasy football podcast. It will be a fantasy football podcast 95% of the time but Tom and I love watching college football. We it's like an escape for us because we don't have to we don't have to focus on every little thing the way Matt of course does and we love to bet on college football and last year Matt Brown gave us some phenomenal picks for season over under wins the biggest bet I ever actually made was last year based on one of his pics. Now, of course Matt isn't betting on these because he's Tom Bradley and I are among the most unethical people you could ever meet. So we're hey, it's our job. This is what we do. We gamble we're doing fantasy. This is this is our job Joe. Well, I mean, so we take Matt's advice which he is not monetizing and we monetize that advice and then what do we got? We got him a beer or something deposit beers. And yeah, thank you to the Buffalo Bulls. Yeah that yeah. So anyway last year we were sitting I believe on the side of a mountain at a wing. Festival like a hot wing festival and we were going through wind totals and well actually we weren't even going through wind totals and I don't know where you just said, you know, what fix got a shot to be really good. This year is Buffalo and I was like Buffalo and I looked at my phone for a sports book and found a win total and that was like what six-and-a-half Tom and and Matt was like, I think they could win 10 games. So I didn't know what Matt was talk. I thought he was talking about the Buffalo Bills. I'm like, are you crazy like a district judge? Jalen it's a stinking up. He's like no the bulls with Tyree Jackson who's now their backup quarterback. But so at six and a half wins, we've put a significant sum on that. It was I mean, it was the least stressful bet Tom. I think I've ever made because they covered it by like mid-october. It was awesome. Yeah, we had fun casting that one. Those are the best whenever you know, well in advance that you're on the right side of the bed so Matt, what we want to do here is since you're not going to monetize. Sighs your advice we're going to let us and the listeners do so, so we're bringing you in to talk some college football over under wind totals playoff odds, whatever the heck you want to talk about and Matt, let's start at the top. Let's start playoff odds National Title odds odds on favorite got to be Alabama and Clemson again, I would say it's boring except. I mean the games are almost usually exciting whether they be closed or whether they be just damn impressive with what Clemson did last year Trevor. Orange is back. He's not even draft eligible to attack of eylau is finally draft eligible. They are the two favorite teams. Give us a give us a read into I mean just how big a favorite they are. But also some teams that can come in and spoil the party. Yeah. It just seems so obvious right now that inevitably we're going to be wrong. Now these were the top two teams in the preseason last year and they ended up meeting for the title. But usually when everybody is this confident we end up being wrong, but you know, their number one and two for a reason we're going to be number one in tune for a reason. The overwhelming favorites for a reason, you know, you mentioned Trevor Lawrence into its son of Allah are being back. These are just loaded rosters. You have a great track record of success. There's no reason to believe that they aren't the favorites but you know, I there's still an opportunity. There's still other teams that recruit really. Well, you know, I Georgia is right in there. They've played really well in the Kirby Smart they recruit. Well, you know, even though I don't buy into it necessarily this year, Ohio State always has the talent to compete. We'll see if they can do it under Ryan day instead of Urban Meyer. Oklahoma, they've always been around Jalen hurts at quarterback. Now the Alabama transfer one thing that is kind of lower on the board that I maybe if I had to say you take a flyer on somebody and it sounds crazy since they can't seem to beat Alabama but I do like LSU this year. I think they're gonna be my present up for I'm seeing them at +5000 win the championship and you know, you just look at the teams that are actually capable of getting into a playoff and beating multiple teams that are playoff caliber. / and there's not that many but LSU the only teams over the last four years according to the 24/7 rankings that have recruited better than LSU or Alabama, Georgia and Ohio State three top seven classes in the last four years. They lost their two best defenders, but have a ton of talent back there the past for us is going to be better. Their secondary is always really good. They have one of the best coordinators in the country and they brought in Joe Brady from the New Orleans Saints to open up. The offense is the passing game coordinator and Some optimism there. I think Joe Borough showed some flashes at quarterback. The receiving Corps has experienced it ovens experience. So if they can beat either Texas or Alabama, I think there's a chance unless you could go 11 and want to get in the playoff. It wouldn't be favored in the playoff. But I think it's if you're looking for a long shot that isn't comes in or out or Alabama. I do like the talent at LSU and would you like maybe placing a bet on Borough? I'm looking at his odds on a for the Heisman. In here, he's a hundred-to-one on sports book, you know, he started to kind of emerge at the end of last season is is that a big reason why you have some optimism karelis you I just think you know the good things I've heard about Brady and what the offense could do and that they might actually kind of stop being like a dinosaur offense. I don't know if I would go that far with Borough if I had to take if you're going to lead me into the Heisman sake or if I had to take some a an underdog for that. Do like sammelan. You're from Texas who again? Maybe I think they could be a kind of a long shot National Title team. They lost a lot of their defense but I do trust what Tom Herman is doing there. They've recruited at a very high level. There's a lot of young Talent again, they play LSU and week too. So, you know, one of those teams championship hopes could be dashed right there and Heisman hopes do but I do like Ellen Gro. I think he was kind of unnecessary. Really polarizing he's gotten some criticism this year some some backlash. But you know, we had 41 total touchdowns last year and that offense wasn't even explosive last year. I think the Texas will be more explosive this year. They have some really good young players can't say Ingram at running back Colin Johnson is one of the best receivers in the country and ehlinger did not make mistakes completed sixty five percent of his passes and was a really good running threat to and if Texas gets over the hump and wins the Big 12 elegir could have that narrative around him to that always helps for the Highsmith. And we've talked about to and Lawrence they're going to be the favorites. But if Texas could go 12 and 1 and when the Big 12 and get into the playoff you have to think say melting your will be in that Heisman, right? So if I like somebody who's not, you know, maybe among the top four or five guys for the Heisman it will be a longer because I think you could make a push and he kind of get that narrative momentum around them, which is always helpful in Heisman race. Yeah. It looks like he's about 20 to 1 right now. He's the eighth guy down the board at sports book. I'm just curious. I just saw a name really far down the list and and I guess all the buzz is awesome. I'm seeing Khalil Tate at 75 the one you know, he was a guy two years ago. That was getting a lot of Heisman Buzz. Is there any reason to maybe put down like a half a unit on that? I mean Arizona really struggled last year, but he had the ankle injury and adjusting to a new offense New York coach, you know any reason to maybe have some interest there at seventy five to one. It's not beyond the realm of possibility last year was definitely strange. I mean you look at what he did. Stretch mid season two years ago. I mean he didn't even start the first four games and ended up rushing for 1,400 yards. He had 327 yards rushing in the game at 2:30, you know 206, you know teams kind of caught up to them a little bit at the end of that season and then last year. Yeah, you mentioned the ankle injury. He just wasn't right the whole year they transition to a new offense. So I don't know if he can read its he would have to recapture what he did midseason 2017 because Arizona I think maybe they could surprise that the the Pac-12 South isn't isn't very good Beyond Utah. There's certainly some openings for wins, but I think it's probably too much of a hill to climb especially when you have kind of established guys like Trevor Lawrence. And so it's a novella that it's not beyond the realm of possibility. I think he Bounce back this year, but I don't know if he bounces back enough to and you know again, we are talking about a huge long shot. So yeah, I could see him I could see him rushing for, you know, 1,500 yards and you know throwing for close to three thousand yards, and maybe he does get some buzz, but it is a big hill to climb and a big bounce back to kind of have to have after after what happened last year. We're talking to Matt Brown from the athletic college football writer and editor follow him on Twitter at Matt Brown CFB. That's College. Football for those of you who need it some translation Matt. What are the chances? I know what the I know what Vegas says but what are the chances Oklahoma goes 3 for 3 with 3 different quarterbacks in a row winning the Heisman with Jalen hurts coming in as a transfer from Alabama. I just think the bar has been set too high. Now, you know Baker Mayfield set the pass efficiency record in college football two years in a row and then Kyler Murray comes back and at the time of the Heisman had exceeded him to ended up setting the record but both of them. Past Baker so, you know caller Murray threw for forty three hundred yards 42 touchdowns. Last year was a great Runner average of them point six yards per attempt to Heaven Hertz is a very good player who kind of got a bad rap, I think at some point in Alabama because it's ago I got can't throw he did get I think even in limited opportunity got better last year with Danny no says his quarterbacks coach and you know with Lincoln Riley there's you know, arguably nobody better. He's going to put up numbers. He's going to play for a team that's going to be successful that's going to wind up. Valdez you games but can he I think can he get close to what Marie and Mayfield did as a pastor. I have my doubts about that. So I think people are gonna be looking for reasons to not vote for an Oklahoma quarterback this year. I don't think he can live up to quite what they did. Even if he's going to be a successful quarterback for an offense that will average 45 points a game. I just have my doubts that Oklahoma, you know that anybody could have it could any school In the Heisman three years in a row and I don't think he's even if he maybe gets a bad rap as a pastor. He just doesn't have the upside as a passer of kind of marine Baker Mayfield So I'm looking at the FanDuel sports book app, which by the way just launched in Pennsylvania were based out of Pennsylvania. FanDuel hint hint. Hey sponsor the poem. Thanks, Tom. Thanks for the yeah. So he's tight. He's at he's 20 to 1 he's tied with allinger. He's tied with Justin Herbert who I want to talk about in a little bit. He's tied with Jake from from Georgia and then the other guy 20 to 1 probably the guy you've least likely to have heard of from this list. If you're just a casual college football fan, but holy crap is this team getting life this preseason Adrian Martinez the quarterback from Nebraska Matt 22:1 tied with I mean these Legacy guys like Jake from Jaylin hurts Justin Herbert these guys who are all big names and have been big names in college football for for You years now Martinez is a true sophomore. He's without. He's with Nebraska didn't even make a bowl game this year and Nebraska's odds to make the playoff are like outrageous. What's the deal with Nebraska Scott Frost? Everybody sees what happened? So it's two things Scott Frost at UCF inherited a winless team. He went five hundred basically his first year the next year, they go undefeated and win a major bowl game. And now he's at Nebraska. He inherits a team that went for Nate what foreign aid his first season. They were Dreadful the beginning of last year, but clearly got better down the stretch beat Michigan State. Although lexcorp was 9 to 6. But Adrian Martinez is clearly a great fit for one what he wants to do ran for six hundred twenty nine yards last year. It's pretty solid as a pastor. That's as a true freshman. And you know, the upside is clearly high from Martinez. I just think we're getting a little it might be just Nebraska fans people are getting a little ahead of themselves, you know, their defense still has a long way to go. You know, they lose their lead. Crusher I think the running game will be fine. They have some receivers but I don't know the Big Ten West gets a lot of criticism, but I think that division is just deeper than it's been Minnesota's on the way up Purdue has Jeff brohm. They've been kind of on the way up Iowa and Wisconsin are still good teams think I was probably my favorite to win that division this year, so, I don't know I think The hype is just getting a little too much right now. And I think we're better off talking about Nebraska for 2020. I think they can win 8 games this year. I think they could win that division. It's wide open but you know to win the Heisman Nebraska's gotta win ten eleven games and being a major bowl and I just think it's a little too early for that. You know this it's still a team that's got to play Ohio State gotta play Wisconsin got to play Iowa, you know, the schedule isn't as is beatable for a Big Ten schedule, but Let's look slow down. I just because Scott Frost went from winless to undefeated in his you know, second year at UCF doesn't mean you can do it in the Big Ten and we were talking about these playoff odds a little bit last night Matt and you know, we see Nebraska here eight to one there the you know 11th favorite to be one of the four finalists, you know going a little bit farther down the board here. We're talking about some of these pac-10 teams. They got left out of the playoff last year anybody here that you see With some decent odds, they're all at 10 to 1 or greater. Anybody you like coming out of the Pac-12 Pac-12 to maybe sneak into the playoff here and cash a little bit of a longer ticket. Yeah, if you want to take a you know, a fire on somebody seems like that's the best bet now the Pac-12 had troubles with the getting into the playoffs. They have a nine-game conference schedule. They tend to schedule well out of conference, you know, Oregon opens the year with auburn type of thing where if you bet on or again to make the playoff that could look really bad after one week because then they'd have to pay problem most likely have to run the table in the Pac-12 and that's non conference games plus a conference Championship game and to be in the same division as Washington Stanford and Washington State and then to you know, probably have to play something like Utah in the Pac-12 title game. That's a steep climb, but still I do like organ a lot this year. I think I'm leaning toward them as my packable favorite Justin Herbert if he stays healthy is a phenomenal quarterback. Justified first round projections for the NFL draft, you know, I think they're going to they're going to run the ball. Well this year their offensive line is really experience. It was a liability a couple years ago because it was so young and now all those young guys are experienced veterans and they have three for all Pac-12 candidates on the offensive line their defense, you know, they him Levitt the coordinator who did a great job there is gone but I think kind of a foundation has been established that there are certainly better much much much better than they were four years ago. You know, so in 2016, they gave up 41 points per game last year. They gave up 25 points per game. Troy diet linebackers fantastic player. So organs and experience deeper team than it's been their starting a well. So I think they're my favorite of those seams. Just again the problem is they play Auburn week one. I think they're going to win that game Auburn has, you know, a still a quarterback battle. They're going to be Young quarterback. It's a lot for week one in a neutral site, but still it's a tough path, but You know if you want to go, I guess maybe it's slightly more of a sleeper, you know, if you take a flyer on Utah, you know twelve and one Pac-12 Champion stands a good chance of getting into the playoff and Utah has a beatable non-conference schedule. They don't play Stanford and they don't play organ in the regular season. There is a good path to 10 wins, and maybe they can get to 11 and regular season win the Pac-12 not not beyond the realm of possibility for Utah to do, you know, like Michigan state did a few years ago and maybe They're not actually a top 14, but maybe they get some breaks and get in any way. Yeah, we have Oregon, Utah Washington all at 10:00 to 1:00 to make the playoffs here. Justin Herbert will be getting a lot of Buzz as the number one pick if we're going would make the playoffs. I would guess and fantasy football drafters would get to know him a little bit more next summer. I'm just looking at these Alabama and Clemson or both - 600 to make the playoffs. I don't think I've ever seen anything like that. You know who you know between the two who Has the better chance of not making the playoffs at that, you know extreme odds there Alabama just because it's you know, even though you look at the schedule and say okay, who are they going to lose to like they don't plan on covering sort of game. They played Duke as their biggest non-conference game, which they're going to win by 50 and Atlanta, but you know, Alabama still has to play LSU who's really talented as much as they've dominated them LSU is still a talented team and I got to go to Auburn at the end of the year. You'd think Auburn's quarterback situation might be better sorted out by then. You got to go to Texas A&M Which you know put a scare into Clemson last year and has a lot of talent and a good coaching staff. So, you know, there's there's opportunities for a lost their and then if they get to the SEC title game there presumably going to play Georgia and we know they could lose that game. They've almost lost twice to Georgia. So do I think Alabama is going to lose two games in the regular season? No, but they're more likely to do it than Clemson Clemson does play Texas am as well this year get them at home though, but you Look at the ACC. I mean I can say is there is there anybody within two touchdowns of Clemson on a neutral field? Right? Syracuse has done it the last two years. Yeah, they beat them two years ago last year. They lost by four, but that wasn't with a healthy Trevor Lawrence didn't play that whole game and I was his first start see look at look Clemson has loses all of its starting defensive lineman from last year, you know, there are some questions about the defense but they still have you know, Xavier Thomas is gonna be one of the best defensive end. Entry there's still so much talent. They're such good coaching there. We're basically debating like who's the second best team in the ACC? Is it like Syracuse or Virginia or maybe Miami so it's just kind of a ridiculous conversation Florida State's still down there cross division games are against North Carolina and Georgia Tech who has a new coach. So just how could Clemson possibly lose more than one game this regular season? I just don't see it. That I remember a couple of years ago. Tom and I were watching a late night Mountain West football game that we had both bet on and see because he this is how Tom and I bet we don't actually know anything about the teams that were betting on we just look at advice and look at numbers are like let's do it which is probably not a winning strategy long-term. But I remember placing a bet on the Wyoming Cowboys a couple years ago and we knew about the running back at the time Brian Hill and we're like, all right, this guy, you know, he's a good Runner he's going to get drafted and then we're watching this game and I texted Tom and I'm like, holy shit. Are you watching this quarterback and Tom's like I was just texting you the same thing and it was a it was a gentleman by the name of Josh Allen who I mean, I don't even know if the passes were completed but he threw em like 95 yards in the air. So we're like the hell is this guy? Is there anybody like that out there maybe in like it happens every year Carson. In Wentz obviously from North Dakota State Josh Allen from Wyoming and then Daniel Jones from duke. Is there somebody who you think might not be from your Alabama's your George's who are going to get your quarterbacks drafted because we know Herbert from to of they're all they're all getting drafted. Probably early. Is there anybody from more of a of an under-the-radar school or even a group of five school who you think could jump into that conversation that the real football guys the scouts are gonna love I don't want to make any bold claim that somebody's gonna be like a first-round pick. But if you're looking for a guy to watch like at the group 5 level and you're looking to watch 10:30 p.m. Eastern games on ESPN 2. I always am check check Utah State, you know, they they now the problem here is they lost pretty much their entire offense and their head coach Matt Wells and a great offensive coordinator. But Gary Anderson comes in at Utah State who was the head coach a few years ago came back. He won 11 games with them with Chuckie Keeton at quarterback. Back in 2012, you know, I don't have High Hopes as early for Utah State this year. But Jordan loves a guy who is 6 for 220 pounds through for 3500 yards last year 32 touchdowns six interceptions and they scored 50 points a game. I don't think they're going to score 50 points a game again. Just because again, they lose a lot on offense. They lose all of the receivers basically, but they're still gonna put a points. I think Jordan loves a very good player and he's the type of guy who's going to be fun to watch ands. You know there I think again, I don't think he's that some first-round pick but he's a good quarterback who could end up being a useful at a fellow player and who's going to be entertaining which is also what we're talking about here. So he's one guy to watch. You know Cole McDonald on Hawaii isn't going to be a first round pick or anything, but they converted to the running shoot last year, which is kind of throwback for them and he played hurt much of the year and still through for 3500 yards. They put up numbers. They were better and I think They could you know, they're going to be a salad bowl team again. So those are guys I would watch you know, Blake Barnett USF was a five-star recruit and bounced around from Alabama to Arizona State now USF wasn't a hundred percent healthy last year still a guy who was a big-time recruit. We know there's Talent there has some size that you know, I don't totally buy into it yet, but it's possible. Maybe he unlocks that potential does a senior he's worth at least keeping an eye on it's funny you mentioned Utah State because they're running back from last year is a Fantasy football sleeper this year because he plays for the Kansas City Chiefs. That's Darwin Thompson. He he's he was a sixth-round pick this year that you used to when you work for Sports on Earth you used to do like an all underrated team or it was that the premise of it the all underrated team. Yeah, and you have is a big-time guys who became big-time fantasy guys on that list. I remember Kareem hunt was probably your big one. Can you throw for the for the fantasy players the the young quarterbacks that you just talked? About usually you're not that usually those guys don't make a fantasy impact until a couple years down the line but guys like cream hunt come in and make an impact right away who are some guys who the draft Community might be starting to think about this year who maybe now might not be a big star name, but could end up making an impact Spencer Brown for UAB. I love glove UAB. They didn't literally did not have a football program in 2015 to 2016. They come back they win 8 games 2017. They win 11 games in Conference USA last year. Now they lose so much because to revive the program they leaned heavily on transfers junior college and major other major college transfers, but you know, they still have some good players here at Great coaching staff Spencer Brown is a guy who's 220 pounds. He's rushed for 2,500 yards over. His first two years is average per carry went down last year, but he's still a good player who's handled a heavy workload now, that's not necessarily great for going into the pros because he's probably going to get 270 carries. But he's a good guy. He's a good player who kind of flies under the radar. He's at a team. That's kind of exceeded their expectations in a big way. I like him. And you know, that one watch is Michael Warren at Cincinnati who you know Cincinnati made a huge leap forward last year. I think they could win the American Athletic Conference this year. He's you know again about 220 pounds average five and a half yards per carry last year 1300 yards 19 touchdowns. He's a junior and he's a really good player and you know could be really the best player in that conference this year. Okay. Yeah, we touched on the at the top of the podcast about your Buffalo Bulls over under season bet you were also pretty high on Utah for us. Last year was a nice winning bat for us. You have you been able to go through some of these totals that are that are out there that these wins and losses the over wind totals anybody that you have a little bit of a lean on you know, one way or the other now, I will There's nobody I feel as strongly about his Buffalo master. I just thought that was it sounds weird to say about Buffalo which has like no football history outside of Cleo Mac, but they were just so obvious to me for like the talent they had back and just the indicators that they would get better. So, I don't know if I have a one that feels that strong but I do, you know, there are several that I like I just talked about Cincinnati, you know, I'm seeing them at seven and a half and it's on FanDuel here at seven and a half and it's awesome. 120 missed the team that one of us won 11 games totally sure what 10 games in the regular season and I understand their team that kind of sometimes when you make a big jump you're going to regress a little bit and I understand Maybe This Time indicator is pointing down. They have a much tougher schedule this year. They got to play at Ohio State they play UCLA who they beat but tough game it played Memphis and Houston on the road from the AFC West. So yeah, I am giving reasons to kind of fade Cincinnati this year, but I just like What they have in place, they have talent. They're one of the better recruiters at the group of five level. Desmond Ritter is a good quarterback. It was a was efficient last year can run as a freshman Michael war and I mentioned they have most the receivers back. I think they're going to the line of scrimmage. There's you know, a lot of guys gone, but I trust Luke fickle on defense the good in the back seven. So I just I don't see any I think they are going to win at least eight and I think they could win 10. He even with the harder. Schedule so I like Cincinnati this year over seven and a half couple make sure you hit that and FanDuel. It's plus 120. I'm looking on. Yeah, that's the one that stood out. Well that has it - 135 to the over. So at some books they've been getting a lot of over action and other books they've been getting some under actions. So maybe a little bit of you know, people are can't really decide one way or the other here. Yeah. Another one. I'll give you a now the it's - 140 but, North Carolina. Over four and a half. You know, I would skeptical about the Mac Brown higher but I like the staff he is built around him and they were a team that was kind of a hard luck team last year really. They had caught a couple years and wants three games till 2017 to a nine with a game canceled last year a ton of injuries two years ago. I think, you know, it's pretty experienced roster coming back. They lost it over double overtime to Syracuse last year the Boston over time to NC State. They lost by 7 to Duke tend to Georgia Tech tend to Virginia tunnel. Close games and usually that's an indicator that you can you know, kind of up your window till next year. And again, I like what Mack Brown is done with surrounding himself with a good staff J Bateman the defensive coordinator coming in from army fill longer. They office coordinator coming in from Ole Miss. This is a good staff where I think they can go bowling in Mack Brown's debute, you know schedule has some tough Parts they do play Clemson, but I kind of I do lean over North Carolina. I think they can get to a bowl game. I guess. I do need to give out an Since I can't just give a hunch over. Oh, you don't have to you can be optimistic about every team if you want. I'm going to talk about to what we talked about Nebraska. I think eight eight and a half. I do like them to probably win 8 games they could go over but I might lean under there Indiana. I'm seeing here at 6:00. This is a team that has not gone over 6 in the regular season since 2007. They've done that like once in the last 25 years. I mean Indiana ceiling seems to be six wins. So if it's On the dot like yeah, I could see them winning six games and going to a bowl. But are they going to win seven in the regular season playing in the Big Ten yeast? I strongly doubt that. So, you know, I do think Tom I'll have the salad coach. I don't think their defense is a strong as it was a couple of years ago again. They got to play Michigan say Penn State Michigan and Ohio State every year now, it isn't easy non-conference schedule, but it's just you look at their history their just you know a team that is 500 or worse. Every year and I just have my doubts that they're going to win seven games so might go under on Indiana. No one other one. I do like as an over. How about Florida International? They are seven and a half and I just, you know, everybody was so obsessed with Lane kiffin there and not really noticing that Butch Davis has a better record now in two years at FIU than his rival Lane kiffin 1 8 and 5 and his debut after inherited in 4 and 18. They went nine and four last year 8 Shoulders back on both sides of the ball. They get a transfer quarterback from Bowling Green and James Morgan who through 26 touchdowns last year was going to have a better Supporting Cast now they have you know, their whole supporting cat's back and a lot of their defense back and they have a really really weak schedule. You know, they're non convert. They play Tulane who it's a tough game on the road two lanes pretty good. They play Miami, but you know, other than that, I just think there's a lot of winnable games in a winnable conference. So I think FIU could win. Nine ten games and they're my favorite to win Conference USA. So I like what Butch Davis is doing finds a little bit under the radar somehow despite his pedigree just because everybody's obsessed with lame. So FIU over seven and a half is definitely what I like. All right. I'm not asking you Matt to make an over under bed here, but who do you thinks the most overhyped team in the country? Based on the betting markets, Nebraska we already talked about that was my I was wondering if that was it. Um, well, let's see, you know, if I look at the preseason consensus pool, you know, the actual coaches poll is going to be out soon. The AP poll will be out of a couple weeks. I'm a voter there. There's a website stassen that compiles kind of consensus is all the magazines and computer a rankings preseason in a fart at number 8 in that right now. Now I think they could repeat what they did last year go nine and three get to a made get to a good bowl and maybe win that go tend to 3, but I worry about their offensive line. I worried about the schedule even though they play to FCS teams, even though they have three by weeks because they play Miami on August 24th schedule is a little bit tougher. They play Auburn from the SEC West they get that Miami game, which I think they're going to win but it's not it's not a gimme. So I farted was probably going to be around 14 and 54:15 on my ballot. Which is due on Monday. I haven't totally decided yet, but I don't think I'm going to have them in the top ten for number eight right now as I'm looking at the consensus ballot. Don't say them beyond that Mississippi State. I don't really trust as a top 25 team this year. I love Joe Moorhead, but they just lose so much and I felt talents their defense on their defense. We still have to see it for Tommy Stevens as a passer and Penn State transfer and it is play. You know, they're in the SEC West where I think there's four teams better than them. So I don't think 21st which I'm seeing the consensus rankings here is you know outrageous for them. There's not going to be on my top 25 ballot. I think they could be that but if I did look at a couple of teams on this kind of consensus top 25, I would lean there. I know you want Joe you want me to say, Michigan? Oh God every freaking year every year over it. I I'm I'm think I'm buying in. I think I think In the Big Ten so so you think this is the finally to hear it all comes together for Michigan. Now, look we have to see what Josh Gad us who's a first-time play color, but he was at Alabama last year and he was studying under Joe Moorhead at Penn State a couple years ago. I think what he's going to want to do with more of a spread RPO game fits much better with shea Patterson at quarterback than what our ball did is kind of a ground and pound type team. Their offensive line has gotten better. You worry about the running game a little bit because on higden's gone. They don't have a proven guy at tailback their defense loses several top guys and they did look awful against Ohio State last year, but Don Brown is still an excellent defensive coordinator. So yes, I understand the reservations about Michigan. They got to play Notre Dame who's going to be very good again. They kind of actually beat Ohio State which they've done once in the last 15 years. You got to go to Penn State who I think is going to be good and has talent but you know, it's maybe it is the type of I'm still wavering. Whether I think Michigan's going to get to the playoff if they win the Big Ten. I think we could see a you know, ten and two Big Ten champion this year and have maybe Michigan Ohio State tie or Penn State at 9:00 to 3:00 right there and kind of crowded but you know for all of the Curtis Justified criticism of horrible, they were literally inches from going to the playoffs in 2016 against Ohio State, you know last year they fell apart at the end the Florida game - I think there were a couple things that factored in including some of those guys who bolted before the bowl game. But you know, they were still good most of last year. They were crushing teams most of the year until they just fell apart against Ohio State. So I understand skepticism against Michigan and all the hard ball hype it's very annoying but they've recruited well enough and maybe they can take advantage of Urban Meyer being gone to finally do it this year. I think they have a decent chance of doing it. Let's say one or two more teams and get you off the podcast here Matt, but let's try to make Joe feel a little bit better hear it. I'm looking at this Notre Dame nine-and-a-half that feels like an under being they played a lot of close games last year lucked out got into the playoffs, but they lost, you know, like miles Boykin on at receiver Julian love in the secondary Tillery on the defensive line. Tell me that this team is Bound for some regression here this year. I you know, I have gone through and given ever like I do an exercise every year where I pick every game and I have records. I'm still yeah I have Completed it. Although. I'm probably going to fiddle with some of them. Now. How long does that take you that has to be a long process. It's a lot but it's fun. Are you Notre Dame? I have it done in three, but if I had to, you know pick a side I would lean under you know, what you said the last year they beat USC by seven Pit by five Vanderbilt, Iowa State game now again, they did make a quarterback change after that. So they started, you know couple close when it gets Ball State a vendor billion book was just a Passer than running wimbush. I do think there is a ceiling and on Ian book you was officially completed almost 70 percent of his passes. I think we saw that ceiling show up when they lost 32 3 in the bowl game to Clemson. Now, you know, it's Clemson, they crushed everybody including Alabama so it doesn't tell us everything but here's what Notre Dame does have going for their Pastor should be excellent. I have think they're coordinators are very good ship long on offense Clark legal defense, you know, they have experience on the offensive line. And you know, I do worry a little bit. About the running game. I don't know if Ian book has that upset at quarterback, you know, you look at their schedule they play at Georgia at Michigan at Stanford who I think Stanford might be a little bit undersold going into this year another one. They're seeing on FanDuel Stanford six and a half. I would go over on that. I'm not saying they're like a playoff team or something but Stanford consistently wins eight or nine games. So there's another over for you. But so yeah, if you look at the schedule, it's not like Look USC is not what it could be. Virginia Tech is not what it could be Louisville is just way down. That's their Labor Day game, but you know, there's it's not like it's an easy Road schedule. So if I have the lean in the direction, yeah, I think Notre Dame is much more likely to win nine eight or nine games than 10 or 11 this year. All right Matt. So obviously you're pretty much in tune with Penn State here. You're going to be I think I can tease this you're going to be doing a little bit of a podcast this year about pain. In state very young offense here. So for the Nittany Lion fans, what's your outlook for them this year? I I'm struggling to fear away from the consensus which seems to be you know, eight or nine wins. I have them down for nine. The over-under I've seen is eight and a half which seems to be about right, you know, this is a so much new unknown on offense John Clifford quarterback who we haven't seen much of through turn seven passes. You know, they have a bunch of very very very highly regarded recruiting Talent at running back at wide receiver. You know, Ricky Slade was a five-star recruit Justin shorter at receiver was the number-one receiver recruits years ago didn't didn't play last year really as a true freshman because partly because he was banged up but you know, I think they have more bodies on the offensive line than they've had there's obviously upside here and their defense should be fantastic defense was very good for much of last year after some early struggles. You know you tore go Tigers mottos looks like a first-round pick a defensive end Michael Parsons, the five-star recruit a linebacker led the team in tackles despite starting one game last year, which is pretty insane and he was defensive end in high school. So he's learning a new position. So I think Penn State should have a very very good pass rush their secondaries in good shape and they have a back loaded schedule. You know, you look at their first five games they play, Idaho Buffalo pit, Maryland and Purdue if you're breaking in all these new guys on offense, that's the way to do. Yep, so we don't play Ohio State until November 23rd. They get Michigan at home. Now. They have a tough stretch, you know, Purdue at Iowa, Michigan at Michigan State at Minnesota is their midseason stretch. It's a tough stretch. So look, I think they're probably a nine and three type team. But if you also look I'm looking at FanDuel and to win the Big Ten East is plus 750, you know, that's not a bad long shot because they have talent Urban Meyer's gone if your Skeptical about Michigan and you look at the back loaded schedule. I think Penn State is kind of under valued as a Big Ten title threat. I don't think they're going to do it. I think 2020 is the year, they're kind of pointing to but with the defense and maybe if if the offense comes together just a little quicker than expected there is upside there. So I am cautiously optimistic about Penn State this year. I think 2020 is he better bet for you know thinking they could win the Big Ten Championship, but I think they could be a little bit. They're valued in that race. There are probably a number 13 14 or so on my preseason AP ballot. There's some upside here great defense that I think there's reasons for optimism. Hey, he doesn't make the bets himself. So you need to make them for him wealth of information Yong Phil steel over here Matt Brown Trauma from the athletic college football follow him on Twitter at Matt Brown CFB. Make sure you hit that Cincinnati bet or that line is gonna move based on Matt's Buffalo advice last year, Matt. Thanks so much, and maybe we'll check in before before the season starts because well, maybe they're hopefully there isn't a whole lot of Fantasy Football news from training camp because news is only bad at this time of year. Appreciate you guys. Thanks for having me over been fun. Thanks, Matt. 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So you never miss an episode and now back to the unrestricted unaffiliated unparalleled analysis of the fantasy free agents. Thanks to Matt Brown from the athletic college football for his time really great interview. I mean, literally a walking Encyclopedia of college football. Every time I have a thought I throw it out there to Matt and he's very useful this time of year. Tom for are degenerate asses as we look to bet on basically every college football team that there is it's my favorite time of year what I mean, literally I enjoy it almost as much as I enjoy fantasy because it's not a job for me to bet on college football. Yeah. Matt's been useful for In my career, I basically got my start in the industry because of him he moved on to write about college football and I took his job, you know working with John Hanson there. So when working with you so, you know, I have Matt to thank for getting me into the fantasy industry. That was always his passion Tom. He was always going to he he was a he's free as a bird. He was always going to fly away when it yeah, I mean they call it football man. I mean you've let's just listen to the interview, you know, he knows his shit. So well Tom, we know our shit. To I'm at least I like to think so and so we're going to talk about our team two days for the day one NFC team one AFC team. Let's start in the NFC with a little bedding and fantasy preview for the New Orleans Saints. Okay last year, they finished 13 and three lost in the NFC Championship Game to the Rams. Everybody remembers the controversial call at the end. They flop. What was that? I don't know if Tommy Tommy Lee was in it or something. I can't remember they easily finished over there nine. If win total last year total offense 379 yards, which was eight scoring offense 31 and a half points, which was third place for games sixty three point six, which was 13 key players lost Mark Ingram been with Watson Max Unger and Tommy Lee Lewis. There is a key additions Jared Cook latavius Murray Eric McCoy bunk of a bunk Alan's gone now. I need to update my list here, Nick Easton unaccounted targets 78 from Last year, which is 23rd most available 2019 win total is at 10 and a half with a little bit of money going towards the under it - 130 even if you want to bet the over so Tom. Yeah, they did lose Buck Allen to ir. And I mean in true ruthless Sean Payton fashion his number 37, they literally just took it and put it on Rob Kelly who they brought in to replace Buck Allen. So Buck Allen, he will not be getting any sick of this table here. Yeah sure you're devastated by that. Yeah, but now Rob Kelly's there to soak up and they've been working out Theo Riddick. So good God in heaven, that could be a thorn in our side for Fantasy Tom. If you want to bet the over you're betting on Sean Payton and Drew Brees here because what we mentioned at the top of the Pod they signed Michael Thomas to to his big extension. They have Chimera and they brought in Jared Cook, but there's really not a whole lot of depth here. I mean, it's really kind of at the receiver position its precarious if Thomas goes down I think That's why some people are liking Jared Cook a lot. I mean, he's there there's kind of been a big three and then another big three right behind the tight ends and Jared Cook is probably, you know, probably the best bet to maybe crack that top six and that's why he's going right after that group coming off a career year Breeze really hasn't had that seemed Target here recently since Jimmy Graham left town. So, you know, he's been getting a lot of love, you know, we're waiting on a number two. There was some hope for trequan Smith, but he really wasn't used all that well or used often last year Ted Danson, you know, he's getting up there. It'll be 30 40 years just 34 years old this year, you know had the knee issues last year. So a lot of competition for targets behind Thomas and kemara here. I don't know how it's going to break down. I've taken some shots on Jared Cook at his price. I love Jared Cook at his price as a matter of fact, so yeah, I've been drafting him quite a bit just because I want to Get a tight end. I feel good about so he's been one of those guys. He's in that tear with Vance McDonald like those are two guys who I think are they're not getting the hype of the OJ Howard Zinn the Evan Ingram's of the world. But those are guys I'm comfortable going into the year as my starter with. Yeah. I'm with you there. He bronzed kind of in that same tier with those two guys to and you know, he's been a guy up in kind of fading here. So, you know, and we'll see how this backfield kind of breaks down here Mark Ingram's been out of the picture here probably like Kamara a little bit more just because Latavius Murray hasn't been nearly the receiver that Mark Ingram has been during his career. So maybe there's even a little bit more ceiling potential for Alvin Kamara. And that's why he's been a top for pick most of the summer. We'll go from a Super Bowl contender in the NFC to a Super Bowl contender in the AFC Tom the Los Angeles Chargers, which still sounds awful to say, I'm a big fan of San Diego. I love that City, but they are in La now, they're playing in a soccer stadium, but they are a damn good football. Team the LA Chargers. Yeah, and they finished 12 and four last year loss to the Patriots in the divisional round finished over their win total at nine and a half total office offense three hundred seventy two point six yards, which was 11th scoring offense 26.8, which was sixth only 59.7 plays. I mean, that's about the only reason to be down on this offense. Oh, it's slow deliberate finished 28th overall with that, you know those number of places. Bottom-5 in that category key players lost pyro Williams key additions Tyrod Taylor on account of talk targets a hundred ten, which is 17th. 2019 season win total is at nine and a half with a lot of money going towards the over at minus 165 plus 135 to the under so not a whole lot of movement on the offense here. Pretty much the same only Tyrone Williams really leaving the picture here. Well that me elephant in the room, which is Melvin Gordon's hold out Tom and you No, we can't just update with every little media negotiation. Can we I mean, we can't we can't start every podcast saying, oh the Chargers are saying this and Ezekiel Elliott Scamp is saying this with the cowboys that we can't do that when we have solid updates will bring them to you but obviously the targets that the available targets could change significantly if Melvin Gordon holds out and or if Antonio Gates returns to this team, yeah, it's kind of up in the air here a little bit. I mean, you know Hunter Henry, you know the tide. Philip Rivers will Target it and it didn't really have a viable option last year, you know, so we targeted the running backs a little bit more which was you know, a big help for Melvin Gordon and Austin Eckler last season, so you have to wonder with Henry back is that change that Dynamic at all and you know, what do we do with Mike Williams, you know performed over his head and the touchdown Department with ten scores last year, but you know didn't get a lot of volume. I would expect some regression the touchdown department, but He's probably going to get a nice boost in volume as a receiver. So I've had a tough time pigeonholing him here. This this this summer here with this current draft price, you know, that's typically in the fifth round. All right, Tom, that'll wrap it up for this edition of the fantasy free agents podcast. I really want to thank Matt Brown for his time given us a hell of an interview here to not to replace but in place of great Cosell who will be back next week Tom. That's gonna do it for us this week. Justin Barnes will be back with the eye. BP podcast believe he has an interview with been fennel from the athletic this week. We're all over the athletic this week to talk defensive football. That'll be great Tom. We are going to be doing International shows of the fantasy free agents podcast next week. We will be recording in the United States on Monday, but I'll be in Canada in Toronto for the rest of the week. So we're going to be doing multiple shows from Canada. Probably going to end up taking Tuesday off, but of will be back Wednesday from Canada so expect us Monday and Wednesday next week and then great Cosell returns next week ago Wojo, we're going to be paying international rates on the Skype calls. It gonna be like five five dollars a minute. Actually, we're gonna have to condense the the the podcast down into like five minutes. I need to I think I need to look into that. I mean Skype Skype is good for international calls, right? I mean I think so, but I do it when people are abroad I got to look into that. Hey many International listeners out there that might have some knowledge. That's please hit us up on Twitter. Yeah, please do I'm dead serious about this if we're recording. For Skype are we? Destroyed by have Wi-Fi fees I have to I do have to look into that. Oh God. Okay. I did a quick Google search. It says Skype to Skype calls are free internationally. But uh, you know will might want to look into a little bit deeper here. Okay, so I'm gonna do that and I'm also because Greg Cosell calls in via phone line, so I definitely have to check into that. Oh, yeah, you need to check into that. Oh boy, or maybe I'll have you do it this week. Anyway, what we're talking through we're talking through our podcast will do this off there. But there you go a little lower. He can to the process of the podcast. Hey, Tom, and I have had a bunch of Articles up at Fantasy free agents.com in addition to our rankings which are updated every day. We Tom we're trying to not be reactionary. We don't want to overreact to every little piece of Camp news, but we want to give it some time to simmer and we do make adjustments pretty much daily with Camp nou so just look for that if you guys are drafting if you're doing a best ball, we do try to update those every day and we have a bunch of content up there as well as fantasy. Free agents.com. So check that out if you guys are interested follow Tom on Twitter at Tom Brawley. Follow me on Twitter @ FG underscore Dolan. Thank you guys so much to this edition of the for listening to this edition of the fantasy free agents podcast and thank you for Matt Brown yet again. We'll talk to you guys. 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We're pleased to welcome Matt Brown (@MattBrownCFB) to The Fantasy Free Agents Podcast. Matt is a college football editor at The Athletic, and he previews the college football season through a betting lens (15:43). Matt takes us through national title odds (18:55), potential Heisman winners (21:38), and playoff odds (30:10) before hitting on some notable win totals (41:05). Joe Dolan (FG_Dolan) and Tom Brolley (@TomBrolley) start the pod with the latest news on A.J. Green (5:03), Michael Thomas' extension (7:38), and Kalen Ballage (8:24). The guys end the podcast with another segment of Team Two-A-Days on the New Orleans Saints (57:50) and Los Angeles Chargers (1:01:23). A special congratulations to our own Joe Dolan for finishing #1 in Draft Accuracy for the 2018 season among 140+ sites and experts! This was Joe’s second #1 overall and third top-3 finish in the last 5 years, making his rankings THE most accurate preseason fantasy football draft rankings on average since 2015. Check out the complete list at fantasypros.com/nfl/accuracy/multi-year-draft.php. To draft against Joe, join the Rotowire Online Championship and select the online draft time of 8/20 at 9:30 PM Eastern. To draft against Tom, do the same on 8/27 at 9:30 PM Eastern. Play for the $200,000 grand prize!

Thank you for tuning in to this podcast today. I'm interviewing somebody who has truly taught me that no matter how much you go through. You can still come out on the other side Minister Danielle McCord has been through more trials than I've ever heard. Anybody going through all of that led her to not only write one book but to Danielle is Illumination preaching her story and now has an ongoing play. So people can walk through her story visually with her. I'm so excited for you all to hear the heart behind Minister Danny and I hope her story inspires you the way it did me check out this conversation that we had. Thank you so much. We have Daniel McCord here. I am so excited for her to be in this podcast. She has a crazy testimony one. Like I've never heard before which I'm sure she hears a lot. It is so powerful and just hearing her Redemption story of how she actually came out of this. I can't wait to be able to talk to her. So thank you so much Danielle for being here being on the podcast. Just taking time out of your day to speak to me. Asking me to do this. I'm honored. I'm so excited because I got some of your videos sent to me and I was like, oh my gosh, like is this real life? Like this is awesome. Awesome. Because if you do hear stories like that, you don't hear the Redemption story, you know, and so it's just so cool that you have this story where you actually came back to Christ and was like, okay and gave your life to him and start it over. And so that's the part that really inspires me. But go ahead and tell me a little bit about yourself. Did you grow up and like, you know a Christian home? Like what was your home life like and then, you know just start from there. Just tell me kind of what you went through in life. Very dysfunctional my mother and father were very abusive towards one another so I grew up seeing violence. So my mother ended up leaving my dad and in most cases, you know, the children normally go with the mom but this was a little different as they were my dad. My dad was he was a great father at that time, but he was the horrible man. He was very abusive toward women. He was a womanizer who has a lot of women. He didn't care that I saw him, you know beat them and And you know just do all kind of crazy things. My home life was very dysfunctional coming up and you know as a young kid every parent I always tell them to be very careful. What you doing bringing your children because they're they're soaking it up like a sponge, you know, if Mommy and Daddy are doing it then we think that it's okay. And so I thought it was normal for a man to you know, women because my dad didn't I stay with him till I was about 10 years old, but my father was an alcoholic and he had some mental issues. He was diagnosed with bipolar disorder and schizophrenia on top of that being an alcoholic in one day one day. He got in trouble at school. He beat me really bad like he'd beat me until I was unconscious and he put me in a bathtub and he tried to drown me in the bathtub. That was just so traumatic, but even prior to that happening when I was eight years old. My dad used to take me to a babysitter. The babysitter son was like a teenager and I was around Eight and he's the molest me when I was 8 but I didn't get any help for that than my dad two years later. I'm 10 my Dad tried to kill me, you know didn't really get any help from that. I had to believe in my father and going to my mom and I'm about 12 years old now and there was a neighbor across the street from us the older guy, you know how the family friend kind of person and very familiar with this man and one day he asked me to you know, he invited me over. And I wanted to his house and he raped me when I was 12. So now you know, I'm only 12 years old and already been molested at a my father tried to kill me attend. My neighbor just raped me at 12. So I started rebuilding a little bit and acting out, you know, a lot of kids. I pay I tell parents. They're just people who deal with kids to pay attention to the behavior. If you're around the child that has, you know, been pretty good no problems and all of a sudden they just switch. There's something that Happened and that's what happened with me. Like I was a really good kid and then when all his stuff happened, I just switched a year later. I was 13 and I end up meeting this guy who was 27 years old. He was a pimp and we end up being intimate one time and I got pregnant at 13 years old. Yeah my head my pregnancy up until there was time from when I decided that I was going to keep it my water end up breaking and I end up giving birth to my son who end up dying in my Wow, 13 years old and I was in the hospital. I just given birth to a little boy who end up passing away not long after that and I just I just filled up with rage and you know, I filled up with the rage and anger and I just I was angry very rebellious, you know XML I ran away from home and I started stripping at 14 years old no prostitution of the my veg is strictly dancing and then Something's in the club that I wasn't prepared for his that I mean, even though I was acting grown in and looking grown and being around adults. I still was just a little girl. And so there were some things that were happening in the nightclub that I was like, I don't know. I'll be here anymore going back home with my grandparents. My grandparents were my safe haven for me because they were in church and they were you know, they were old-school southern people who you know you I don't matter what you're into if you're in grandma and granddad's house you're going to church period Jesus and while I was thinking, you know. Therefore the Lord my choir member introduced me to prostitution. Yes, my choir member. I was 15. She was 18 and we met in the church. We met in the choir and she you know introduced me to prostitution and you know, and so I started prostituting with my choir member from the age of 15. She not only introduced me to prostitution, but she also introduced me to drugs and I found myself becoming active. Did to cocaine and ecstasy at such a young age and I did this throughout 15 16 17 years old and I'm 17. I met some porn stars in the night club and they were just like, you know, if you think you're making money now, you haven't seen anything yet. Right. And so when you're in that lifestyle you always try to find ways to make even more money money money money money is the goal. The Bible says love of money is the root of all evil and so in that lifestyle you're in love with money fast money the more money the Better no matter how it's the deteriorating you no matter how it's killing you no matter how is degrading you the love for money. The want for money is the desire and the drive to continue. And so when they said, you know, you want to make some real money at 17 years old. I'm not thinking about you know, these movies are going to be out for the rest of my life. What happens if I'm going to be a mom what happens I'm going to be a white where my family and friends that I didn't see that or even think about that. All I thought about was more money that's going to a porn set in San Fernando Valley in California. I was a turn 18 like maybe a few weeks later. And so I started doing pornography at 18 years old and I was doing his movies and they were right. I was making even more money on top of the dancing on top of all the other things that I was doing. I was making all this money, but I was dying on the inside. I was so miserable. I was so unhappy the Bible says what profit is it to a man to gain the whole world? World and lose his soul and that is exactly what I was going through. I was gaining all of your worldly possessions and all these materialistic things. But on the inside I was dying. I increased my drug use even more I started drinking even more. I was suicidal. I was just miserable but I had money though, you know, it was like you're dying, but you're balling, you know money does not bring happiness. Yeah, definitely had that but I you know, look at all the things that I was doing to get that and then so that was the just of that and how I end up getting out. I used to travel a lot. Like I was would have been considered one of the high-class girls high-class escorts know guys would you know fly me out and I would travel a lot this guy ended up flying me from Los Angeles to New York and long story short. He was crazy and he locked me up in a After I got there after I was here for a few days, then he locked me up in a basement and he beat me and he raped me and he told me over and over again, you know, I'm going to kill you. You're not going to leave here all of this stuff and I've been in situations before obviously did in the streets all those years. I've been close to death, but nothing like this like this was the ultimate, you know, like the Lifetime Movie Network right for sure. How are you? And I got all the stairs and all the pointed fingers and all the whisper, but I didn't care what people thought I still was going to go to church period while I was locked up in that basement. It was just a matter of time before he just you know decided to do whatever he was going to do, but I was praying I started praying I said Lord, if you get me out of this, I'll change my life to you. Just don't let me die. If you save me this time, I'm done. I'm done. And so what happened was a few days. Days later that guy's friend came to that house looking for him and came down to the basement and found me I end up getting he helped me get out of the basement and of leaving New York and I flew back to LA and I never looked back again. So when you came back was it like Steps like okay. I have to go back and I have to kind of cut ties here and cut ties here or was it like cold turkey? Like what does it actually look like for you? It was cold. Yeah, I had a little business phone what all the clients will call me. You know. I lost the phone. I actually lost leopard in church to be honest my first roommate. And if you give me out of this I'm done. I'm done God and you know, we make so many false promises all the time. We saved the many times more. If you do this for me, I'm going to do that and you don't do it and this time I was like no no. No, I'm like so many times but this time I'm so serious. Yeah, I walked away cold turkey. Yeah, and it says in the Bible, you know, like when you go back it's like seven times worse or whatever. So yeah. So, I mean, I'm sure at that point you're like, I can't even imagine. I was just locked in a basement for three weeks like Right after this. Yeah. I'm just like going back a little bit like when you know, you moved in with your mom and all that like what where was she kind of through this whole like process like did she notice like, you know, did she care really that you were in and out wasn't anything like that like did you know like especially with you know, you getting into different things with your church choir like did your grandparents notice? Like what was your family's reaction to kind of like your life? What you were going through in those kind of things, you know, a lot of them did not know what I was doing until my book came out. Wow and title from porn to the pulpit where I've worked very real and wrong. Yeah and a lot of them found out with the rest of the world when I was doing the reason why is because when I when I ran away when I was young I never came back. I got me I came to visit but I never moved back and sew them. They I just saw my excusing my my reasons for all this money and how it was to live on my own would that I had Rich boyfriends like they lost that I was dating football. But which I was but they were my clients. They were her boyfriend, you know, so I would say, you know, I'm dating this football player. I'm taking the basketball player update the rapper. I was in you know, they had pictures with these people. I was out with these people, but I was you know, not my girlfriend. I was something else they thought Danielle is just she meets Rich guys and they take care of her, you know, or she has a boyfriend and he pays her rent and her car. No, you know take some shopping. That's just how I portrayed it. Yeah, if you're not kind of in that world if you're not looking for it, I mean, I feel like that would kind of be some not easy to find, you know, like it's not like we were looking but yeah, I guess I just wondered that and then it's like, you know, you always kind of hear about people who you know are like addicted to porn or different things like that prostitution and they say like I had all this money and I was miserable but like can you explain like what that like really felt like because I feel like when you're like, okay, I was miserable like to people who have not been in there. It's like almost where you can't still understand it's your like but you're you're rich like what do you mean, you know, and so it's like that kind of like part that kind of question. I guess floats around for people who don't understand that fully because it's like dang like you have no worries in the world your rents paid you have no bills like you can do whatever you want. What do you mean? You're actually Isabel, you know, so just kind of explain how that actually feels in the inside inner you absolutely yeah. My whatever. To do to do it, right? Look what I had to do to get it and that was the most degrading silly. You know, it's one thing if you work hard or if you're the CEO of a company or you know, you're the manager or something like that and you're making an honest living and you're making really good money as a doctor a lawyer a teacher or business owner and you know you feel good about this. I didn't feel good about what I had to do is literally like selling your soul you're degrading your a person is telling you You know to do filthy things in order to get this money. So how you know happy. Could you be about that? And so we numb ourselves with the drugs and the alcohol just to get through it, but internally, no woman wants to be used as a rag doll. You know what I mean in order to get money and so it's like yeah, I have money but look at what I'm doing to get it at what this money was the inherited it wasn't passed down. I didn't hit the lotto. You know, I'm actually Integrating my body, you know doing things that I wouldn't normally do that. I'm not comfortable doing but this is this fast money. This is what I've gotten accustomed to and it was sickening to me. It was degrading as a woman. It was just like you just a man's rather. Yeah, you know and then your reputation people know you as you know, use my language H OE that after getting caught out of your name so much all of that like all of that comes Just like yeah, I got money but your reputation is ruined. No. Yeah, I have money but I'm saying if you're like me and you know do the phallus thing to me in order for me to get it. Yeah, I'm funny. But look you look at my lifestyle. I have to spend most of the money on drugs could never do any of that. Wow, that's crazy that I guess man. Like, I just can't even imagine like having that be somebody's day-to-day, you know, like because that and you say it's your job like no you're literally We doing that everyday hours a day, you know and yeah, I can't imagine has have you like now that you're out of it and you know, you're moving forward and like your ministry and all that stuff Have you ever either had this happen or had this worry of like maybe the industry like catching up to you? Like have you had moments where people you know are like, oh, I actually recognize you or you know, or whatever that is like have you ever had that fear of like, you know those videos that you didn't think of they're still out probably, you know, like what is Out like now. Yeah when I first you have to know for over. Check it out. I got out of the out of the industry in 2008. So we're talking about 11 years, but when it first happened the first year two years three years. It was very embarrassing because I'm trying to mount our about Jesus and I'm saved and praise the Lord of people like hey, there's that porn star Ryan. Hey, that's a stripper girl, you know some time with Beyond embarrassed that I talked about that in my book for forms the pulpit that I was, you know, I came out and I was just so happy about my transformation, but other people were not It's not about how good God is and you're looking at me like I'm crazy like yeah, but I remember that you do this aren't you that girl that was just doing that. You know what it means. I with you that embarrassment and that shame for years even now in my Ministry, you know, there are some people, you know, everybody does it it's not a fan of you and everybody, you know, it's not going to support you in there are some people who I oh now you're talking about God but our I still have your video, you know, so even now Now you still let you actually experience things like that. But at this point after 11 years later I have you know thick skin, but when I first got out it was humiliating and embarrassing it was heartbreaking because I'm like, you know, I was a young girl now I'm doing writing. Nobody can see the god in me. All I can remember was my sin. I always wondered because you know, we all like even in politics like you see it like they'll be doing great things and then randomly something will come up like you did this so many years ago and you're like, oh my gosh, that's not That's not me anymore, you know, so I always wondered with you know, how how known you were actually becoming if that ever, you know came up where you had to almost deal with it again, even though that's a different person. So came out of you know, that that basement experience you came out you came back you cut ties cold turkey, you started to change your life, you know, go back to church get you know introduced and then you know, you have a YouTube video that I was watching which is again I can post that link. Up on the podcast. That's so inspiring to just to kind of hear your heart and see everything but there was a moment in that where you actually spoke on, you know your hatred for males for men because what you went through so kind of talked about that and then tell me, you know, how you got to where you are today. You're you're married now, right? Yeah. So tell us about that whole testimony of like how you came from that to this. Horrible and they just you know their every time I was hurting with my a man and then you know, when I started dancing and stuff it was like my revenge like okay. These guys are liking me and there were men that were proposing to me that's right now is like yeah, I'm just going to use you for your money because my way of getting back to you. It was my revenge, you know, and it just it was really bad and I went back girlfriends and all kind of stuff, you know, because that that will heal me and it didn't mean you know, how I went from Patriot two now having a whole husband is I had to get healed I had to allow God to heal those broken places and that's exactly what I was broken from things that happened to me and one thing my husband had taught me one thing my husband taught me from being with him all these years. He said you don't make a person page for someone else's in the state. That's how I looked at guys. Like no matter what kind of man I met whether he was an upstanding guy. He's a great guy whether he was a hood guy whether he was a gangbanger or a Wall Street worker. I'll look at them the same way and he taught me that you don't hold one man accountable for the mistakes of everybody else. And so I had to get healed and I had to allow God to come in and fix those broken places and want those places was healed. The skills came off my eyes and I said, you know towards them. I started looking at life differently, so don't That was that was those particular men that did those particular things, but you can't box every guy, you know in this thing and say they're all horrible and there are because they're not God healed my heart. Huey removed that anger obviously because I'm married and so tell me about tell me that story. Like, how did you I don't know. How did you even give him a chance? You know what? And that's why it wasn't I think if we would it it would have happened any other way wouldn't work, right. We started off as friends. So I didn't have to hide anything, right that was one of the things because dating for me was so hard before because I was like, how am I going to tell them that I was a dancer? Right? I'm gonna tell them that I used to do porn because what I was dating before and I would tell guys and I'll finally feel stress like a guy like him. He's going this is consistent. Let me tell him the truth before someone else tells him as I had that happen not tell anybody and then we go on a Gator we go around his friends or family there like pulling a verse I like. Hey, I know her she would you know, just then a third so it was just Yeah, so when I would tell guys I would get two reactions either they will want to instantly have sex or they would walk away because they wouldn't know how to deal with my past. So with my husband now, we started off as friends. If so, I don't have to lie about anything. You know, he was just I wasn't interested in him in the beginning. I don't think he was interested in being the beginning. We just really good friends and then he knew my story and then one day he asked if I want to buy a book for He's from you just to support you. And I said Okay, cool. So I brought him a book and he ended up reading the book and a few days later. I saw him and he was like, yeah. Can I talk to you over at the book? I will talk to you and I'm like, okay. He's like, you know, I just basically want to take you out on a date and show you that not all men are the same. Oh man, like what? Get everything I'm sure wow. That's awesome. For you to experience like the Lord, you know, like the Lord's love insecticide man. No matter what you've been through like I'm still here and I'm still interested, you know, kind of what what your life looks like now so you came out with a book right and it's called from porn to the pulpit and I cannot wait. Wait to read it. I'm so excited. I'm not so link it up. So everybody can kind of check that out. Tell us where you're at now and you know, how did you even get here, you know being in full-time Ministry. How did you you know decide you wanted to write a book like where did where did that kind of all come up? Okay, so Can write just write write Journal right? You know, and before I know I just started the for bringing things back to me that I tried to purposely forget. You know, now I was sober so, you know the drugs and the alcohol didn't have my mind all messed up and in my sober state of mind, I started remembering things the things that are coming back mantis was writing and writing writing it right at your writing. And so when I finally finish I'd let her read it and she said this is a book. I'm writing a book. No, yes, so she was like the world is out of my neck now. So when I finally I guess it just started pulling on me. So heavy that my little Journal my little diary was going to help somebody else I bet that's what made me, you know, really push it to turn it into a book. You know, I knew that I was going to get up a lot of backlash. I knew that it was probably going to be some people that were upset. I knew it was going to be some people that were going to call me out of my name, which I went through all of that the base. This is of it. I knew that my story was going to help somebody and so I turn my diary into a book and it literally went all over the world. There were people in Africa people in London before Canada people in the Caribbean that got this book all over the United States and they all have reached out to me and was like, oh my God, even if they didn't do pornography there so many think that such about such going like drug abuse alcohol abuse rape molestation the absence of a father, you know, mentally. Sexual identity, you know just different things that I touch. What do you have to be in the form industry or stripper to relate to my story? You know, there are so many things that I went through that I can you know ministers and so many different people about and so I end up putting the book out there and then work the book came out there were so many Ministry engagement. They were it was overwhelming that I have you read my job to move either you're going to get fired or you don't quit and so I I left a job and I started you know, they started bringing me into universities to talk about human sex trafficking and you know, do all these seminars and then radio and television in churches. It just it just was so much that I was like, you know what this is what I'm supposed to do when I prayed about the God. Do you want me to go into full-time Ministry and it was like, duh? For a Ministry to even a mentorship where I get girls that are going through some of the same things grow that girls that are on the streets girls that are you know have been raped or molested or runaways and all of that mentored them and I helped them put in just become my life. Now that is that is literally so like it almost has like no words because it's like dang you go through something and it's almost a full circle like not only are you in full-time Ministry, but you're speaking to the girls that you were, you know. That is so cool. How God like use that in everything. God does is full circle usually, you know, and it's just so cool to see it at the end of the story and it's like dang like God put me through that and used me to go back to those girls, you know. And now have a stage play. Yeah, horn to the pulpit in the stage play. Yeah to see this story Act. Covid on stage is even like it's bizarre. I'm sure how did you feel seeing that the first time I cried like a baby? Is real but then when I picked the actors in The Sinker and we started rehearsing and they were acting out my script. It was like this is my stick. Yeah watching life. Yes. Oh my gosh it is but it is so I don't even know how to explain something to me every time and I've seen it over and over again for every rehearsal every show. It just it does something to me. Yeah, that is that's literally like man. I need to I need to see it. I need to come. No, I'm seriously like so blessed like by this story like and you just being at a place, you know coming on here and being able to actually talk about it because a lot of people will come and you know, they'll like go through all these things but they're like not really ready to talk about it and when you can fully like talk about the details and the nitty-gritty of your story, like that's when God can set other people free and so just hearing you Story like I can't wait for people to hear this because it's going to change people's lives. You know, I'm sure it already is I know it so I can't wait to just have another another platform to reach people who haven't heard it yet and get connected to you. So tell me some of your social media Instagram website all that kind of stuff. Okay? Thank you so much Danielle for being here and just talking to me to sharing your story. I'm super blessed by it. Thank you for listening to this podcast. If you have a story that you'd like to share email me at Tomlinson podcast and mail.com. Also don't forget to subscribe to my Facebook page and apple podcast streaming platform. You can also follow me on Instagram at Autumn underscore Tomlinson underscore.

Danielle Williams-McCord Evangelist, Author and now Playwright was born and raised in Los Angeles, Califorina, but before she became an anointed woman of God she suffered a series of horrific events; which birthed an astounding testimony. In 2008 Danielle accepted the Lord Jesus Christ as her personal Savior in a New York basement where she was kidnapped and raped repeatedly, but by the grace of God she was able to escape and through that experience she made a vow to God that she would serve him all the days of her life. Danielle was licensed and ordained as an Evangelist on April 8, 2010. In 2011, Danielle released her first booked titled "From Porn To The Pulpit", this book entails her testimony of hurt, violence, drug addiction, abandonment, abuse and so much more. Her book and now stage play is indeed a memoir, but it is also a guide to the reader of how to journey from victim to victor, from pain to purpose and how to now live a triumphant life through Jesus Christ; all while encouraging her audience to tell their testimony. Never imagining that she'd trust or love again, she was found by her husband and in March of 2014 she married the love of her life Min.Ronald McCord. "Old things have passed away and behold all things have become new" (2Corinth.5:17) is the scripture that has left an indelible mark in Evangelist Danielle’s transformation through Jesus Christ. Evangelist Danielle Williams-McCord is the visionary of "Danielle Williams-McCord Ministries" which purpose is to restore, regroup and refocus the youth and women in society to overcome the destruction of the streets, human sex trafficking, and domestic abuse. One of her central focus is those who are drug abusers, prostitutes and many who’ve suffered abuse of all kinds. She has an unwavering commitment to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ, until those that God has placed in her path are healed, delivered and set free by her uncompromising message of truth, repentance and love.

Hello all welcome back to another installment of synergist. I am Sam Donnelly joined by the Indie fiend. Cam Simpson Aloha and the man who once made a twelve-year-old Cry by telling him Santa Claus was not real. It is Brad Headley. So so this week we are talking about Ad Astra this movie where Brad Pitt goes into space so sexy man in the sky his pretty face. Yeah. He's getting better with age since you left Angelina. You're truly doing yes room. It's so how's your week been a great week? Stop it. We asked him brother. We just leave it at that. I mean again, I don't really care what Brad's really exciting. Well last week you said I remember you a direct quote was my life's a bitch shit. You know what it's changed this week dude. Yeah. That's what I did was. I went back home back in at the lovely land of anak. So shout out to the Onyx Squad was cringe. Okay, and that we're not cutting that bit out. Family friends birthday and it was went out for a nice little quiz and a few drinks absolutely top-notch night on the quiz. I didn't actually we came last came last was horrific quite embarrassing having a show. That's because I think the highest score was like 70 and then we just came down with 32. So I mean, yeah up your game on besides point. It's beautiful being back and Annika seen the farm scene. Friends. I've not seen him. Months for drive around on wasn't Monday Monday picked up God. This is all really painfully irrelevant. Isn't it? Good God. This is why we never ask a week was great continue sound with however you need to do it. Right? Well, my week's been pretty good. Actually don't care column. What's his? Hello. I've got a question for you boys. All right. I was I was walking down the road quite a while ago and I saw a little dog crying it being run over by a car. I could only imagine that's what happened and I watched it squirming around looking for help and I was the only living thing around it. I could do anything that we use it to pin and the dog looked me dead in the eye and I could see it's anguish and I thought to myself I need to be a hero and it says a little dog's life, but then I gathered some much-needed Clarity and realizing fuck it is only a Yorkshire Terrier and I just walked. Tan Fast but then on my way back the dog wasn't there. It was no one the roof of the garage near where I found it with a bionic leg the leg doubled as a Pez dispenser at this point the dog showed me over referring to me only as Kevin and it said to meet at Eastside accent. Hey, Kev you fancy if you pledge from a new leg leg. I'm not a fancy footwork on out. It's just like necessity. You know what? I mean? I declined The Fez and I'm I returned the following day the garage was gone, and it was no a large-scale office for a company called Doug Pez. I'll walk through the fire and the founder CEO to be none. Other than that very dog from behind me. I had a yeah sure that your friends or your job or summat like so there I found myself working Superior Yorkshire Terrier for 25 years only retiring last week and on the day after my retirement. I walked out of that building and turned around for one final look only to find there was never an office at all. And it was just a garage in the dog was now asking the piss dispensers a hollowed-out banister leg for the Tic Tacs. So I'm trying to say like my question is what's your favorite Seafood? So favorite Seafood - seafood and way crab sure any type of sushi. I Love Sushi. I do love a good bit of crab. If we're talking fish. I love sea bass. I love monkfish monkfish is really nice one lemon salt and under it fish tool. That's actually true love calamari calamari relieved not to the star of the show and the star of the show is crab sticks. In man is shredded. Of course as it as it comes like a sandwich filling in a nice Brown bun stack that puppy up Nosh that fucker down. This is a film podcast. By the way, I like to repeat this. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's the way to get the punters in isn't it? What we just started. So yeah Ad Astra so tell them because this was your suggestion this week. I'd like to ask Ask you first. What was your opinions on the movie? Well Ad. Astra was quite the ride wasn't it? I'm sure we can all agree the first 10 minutes. I was really really really engrossed and I thought it's fantastic. It was the cinematography was fantastic. The effects were fantastic. Obviously. I'll say this now before I get into the depth of it spoiler alert. Yeah spoilers. Okay. Yeah. Yeah spoiler alert. It's in the it's in the title of the episode anyway, so you should know that anyway. At the beginning they basically within the first 10 15 minutes Brad Pitt falls out of the space station, and there's not big explosion and Astronaut or falling ever. It's rain and astronauts Hallelujah, the weather girls that love it and it's it's just shot fantastic. I believed it. I couldn't see where reality and effects met you no one stopped you the began. It was just seamless and it I believe Brad Pitt was falling out of space. Back down to earth. Yeah, it was beautiful. Maybe one of the best opening sequences of a film of same for very long time and that blew my mind and at that point for me. It was a 10 out of 10. Hmm and then he gets back down to earth. It's also a really good and then you find out his dad's in like Jupiter Neptune. Neptune is dad's an fto is played by Thomas Lee Jones Esquire. So we were it was all the great like, oh fuck he's going to go to Neptune of find his dad. This is crazy. Like this is not what I expected them to be and that is what he does, but it's From this point on once you've been given this Mission and then right you're gonna go find your dad on Neptune. This is when the film starts to dip a bit downhill and it just felt like the director would just be and probably the biggest thing you've done so far. Look it's other credits is trying to every opinion is got on society in like so yes society and like the world around him and things are going on. It just seemed like he's trying to cram everything. He's got into this one full in the hopes that maybe this is the last and only thing you'll ever do so you want to get everything into this there was like there was comments on Personal family relationships there was like capitalism. I think there was a man versus God tape. Yeah thing the business there's so many of them was probably about eight or nine like things that he was like trying to reference to and like metaphors and all things like that and I'm Subway in spit on the moon. That was a thing literally my note I wrote Midpoint in the bottom. So I enjoyed the world that he created but I think there was parts that he just included and it did say at the beginning is set in the very near future but there's parts that he included that obviously aren't normal tours and he didn't really explain that. This is now normal in the world that we are such as commercial space travel and it did took you back a bit. We like I was like, yeah. Yeah, it's true before you actually like the flight up to the Moon. I thought was just like a normal not a sociopath I think. I mentioned this is a commercial flight and then offering the hot towels and yeah, it just kind of got me it $32 pillows and blankets. Yeah, what did you think about Brad? Thing is I mean I saw it not even 24 hours ago. So he saw it last night. Of course YouTube. When did you see it I seen on Sunday night. That's our on Saturday. Okay, so I was very behind with it. But I mean, it's still 24. I'm still kind of like taking it in because as you said it is a loss there is either a lot because it's a two and in that two hours. I feel like it never feels rushed which is a good thing. Yeah, but the fact that they he did a lot in those two hours is kind of like I've got a lot to take in but it should be said that because I'm aware that not a lot of people have seen this movie yet and that there should be a warning put out anybody who's listening that this movie is an incredibly slow burn which isn't necessarily a bad thing like it because he It adds to the level of immersion and stuff like that. But if you're one of those people who you know needs like a thrill of minutes or something like that. I say you're probably better off not going to see this movie not to say it's bad. It's just it might not be for you. It is important to manage your expectations when going into something like this. I really like enjoyed the Journey of going to Neptune is never to let you know. I'm really having difficulty remembering. I was your science and primary school out science teacher here, too. To me. He did you just a hinge sexist. Oh God just shut one entry. It was a friendly rivalry was getting from Neptune and I enjoyed the world that they created and I enjoyed the little bits of The Subway on the moon, but I know that the director wasn't saying that in for the sense of the view would be looking at and go. Hello. It's so brother. He done that to be like there's a Subway on the moon. This is ridiculous. It's the world's gone mad. It's capitalism. It's overblown. Everything's horrific. I'm pretty sure Brad Pitt like in his monologue says something along those lines is like we didn't like travel into the Stars. We'd like create the stars as we saw them back on earth like something along those lines when he arrives at the airport and it's basically just Earth. Cuz everything's the same and it's he says like we've traveled all this way to get away from like what we've got at all it's just dads who says that you traveled all this way to get away from our problems on Earth and they've just followers to space and that's what happened with like the subway and I think I think that's a fair point social commentary by the director. We've moved to the space and we're living on the moon and we still bring all our problems there and we're going to ruin we're going to ruin this as just as we've ruined Earth and it's basically that isn't it really? Yeah, but it's just I didn't there was two What's going on? It was a lot and I'll be honest with you like you know, because I was when I was watching this movie it was because it's a very personal experience. You know, when you go to see this because it's like it's not one that you can have a joke about when you're watching it with friends you have so would be engrossed to watching it and I was at like, I mean I kind of agree with you but like I didn't break my immersion as early as you did. Like, I've got it written down here like, you know, I was taking notes as I was watching the movie and the I just written the sentence two words Space Monkeys. That's what I lost as soon as the fuck. Yeah, so like so yeah, they go to you know respond to this SOS and they find out this entire crew has been killed by like rabid monkey Stephen the Spears and I'll be honest with you. There was something about it. I don't know what it was. Maybe it's just because it took too long to move on from that from that event that the movie did. Use me for a good like 15 20 minutes. Whereas it took me a while to get back into it. It was a completely irrelevant Point as well because all that really came from that was the captain of the ship died. So Brad Pitt as a takeover and yeah, and then the the fact that he was the hero the mission didn't really add anything to the story that you could have done without that. He could have just been a passenger didn't really do anything. It's just the way that scene played out. It was just so ridiculous. I mean like this so this guy has had his nose eaten off by a monkey like, you know through his visor and Brad Pitt's Reaction is to a kick the monkey and then sellotape this is is my gaffer tape is going to stay as if that would help. I mean that might have worked in the Martian when he had a crack in it in his in this helmet, but not when the entire thing has been smashed and the guys missing her face I think on there to defend them for a bit being in the Indigo and I feel it's my duty the dude explain. The reason for the monkeys. It is some like space like test plant. Yeah. I understand that. You can understand why there was monkeys they'll be honest it. I for some reason like, you know monkeys and space that's not a New Concept to me. Like it didn't it didn't surprise me. It was just like you really gonna go there and they but like that we think that was the point where it started going a bit ropey Yeah, so column after you saw this movie I asked you if you had ever seen 2001 A Space Odyssey this whole segment that you going to do is I'm going to disappoint you but carry on I'm just well, I kind of already know the answer. You haven't seen it yet. Haven't In it, so I'm just going to say this to anybody who might have seen 2001 Space Odyssey or hasn't seen a vet Brad. Have you seen it? No, so going off on the point that you saying that the director is clearly like no trying to do a lot with this movie. It's very clear that this movie is Kubrick inspired. Yeah, like not just visually but the thematics and stuff like that. I'd almost goes so far as to give this movie a subtitle of 18 A Space Odyssey. Yeah, I just drew means to the Stars. I believe it's in the film actually more like by just like missed half. The thinking was to fell asleep. I honestly think I must have because I didn't mean I didn't hear the about the monkeys and then no fucking a - to a means to the Stars the Stars last more like more like Brad Astra. All right, dude, the Big Planet sticking up for me now for the film that we haven't touched on yet. Yeah. Is the father-son relationship which is like the biggest thing in the middle. Yeah, really really strange and I really odd way to go about it the conflict resolution of the Fall the quest through space and time to go and see your father that abandoned you when you're 16 years old. Now, you're about what 40-something years old abandoned you for 30 years. So you travel through half space to get to go and see your dad and you get there after all of this. You've killed people. Foley being accidentally. Yeah, you've really being killed yourself by space pirates and space monkeys monkeys and space space you get to your dad's house on Neptune. He's a bit of a dick and he goes, right? Yeah Dad you all right. Are you doing here just like your lives around the corner? I was like come and see you then. But I tell you the government wanted to kill you. He goes fair enough. So I mean, you know when I left all them years ago, Oh, yeah, didn't give a fuck about you and I didn't give a fuck about your mom. Yeah, and I mean, why would you do the whole journey that we've been on with this character is waiting to see him be reunited with his dad and Blake called felicium team up and become like Space Police or so and Kick-Ass together Space Cowboys reunions. It's just a dick. Lima project. Yeah, and of course when you go when you're on the ship you see Brad Pitt like going through them. I think one of them has a bag over the head and just see let Pastor the blood course. So yeah, he he didn't just like, you know, turn off the oxygen in a certain sector like he probably did actually move. I was just like I don't care about you. I got a shot up to space craziness. I don't know. I mean because doesn't on the journey to Neptune which takes I think did he say 90 days. It's a long it's a good chunk of days. Can like Brad Pitt socks, you can see you start to go a bit insane. Yeah, so maybe just because he starts being alone for all this time that you just went insane. And I mean the crew he said that the crew went in because they want to go back to Earth but he was like not having it Insanity insanity is a matter of perspective. But yeah, so like talking about like, you know talking about Tommy Lee Jones and like it let's talk about The Supporting Cast as a whole all because on a whole this movie is very much a Brad Pitt movie and everybody else. Even Tommy Lee Jones. They're just take a bit of a backseat Brad Pitt is fantastic in this phone, right? Yeah. I think you can all when it's when the switch sorry to jump in. Yeah when it's such a big star such as like Brad Pitt Tom Cruise Leonardo DiCaprio. I feel like the sign of them put in a good performance is when you can completely forget who they are as real people and you believe they are this character for the to I was just up there. Yeah, Brad Pitt 100% on that. So, yeah, he like he really sold me like I was being like an astronaut. I mean it's kind of similar to like Ryan Gosling and first met like I kind of like it long I kind of like those waiting for I thought you was going to say Ryan Gosling a lot of all I know is just waiting for a little because our action top up because I like that take on astronauts because if you seem like gravity with Sandra Bullock, like she's screaming and hollering like the entire movie but like, you know, if that if that was who she was she would never have made it past training because like, you know, If you're an astronaut, you have to be able to be calm Under Pressure. Yeah, he's a bit off. He's off. His Baseline. Yeah, and it's like yeah because they say like very early on movie that is heart rate is never gone above like a beats per minutes, like even when he's even when he was falling like he's not even screaming. He's just very calm. He's like I'm falling so Is he? Yeah, he just takes it in stride and most people would say that's like an emotionless performance. But that's it's really it's engaging because you know, that's how he has to do it. You doesn't over play it. He doesn't overstay his welcome and he's very he's actually very subtle and nuanced and in this and I really appreciate that like that scene where Tommy Lee Jones is like telling him that he never really cared about him. Like he's not like saying a whole lot of like it. Are you bastard that but you can tell what Tommy Lee Jones is telling him is absolutely breaking his heart. Yeah, but But I know we did I think we talked about this earlier on but I don't think it shouldn't be understated just how stunning this movie looks like it. It's like one of the best-looking Sci-Fi movies. I've seen in a long time, especially when you consider that obviously the majority of it has to be all like CGI and things like that because it's in space. Yeah, it's seamless like I full-on believed I was there in space with Brad Pitt the colors as well. Yeah, the color palette in this movie is Same beautiful end the lighting as well. The I will not be able to remember her name but her parents were killed by Tommy Lee Jones. Yeah, the the manager of the the Mars station miles project. Yeah, the government based on Miles She was first introduced coming through the corridor and like the lights started going out. Yeah. It's like thought was phenomenal and the bit when he was in the hall at the Comm room the lighting in there when they had their projections are on the were just But the first part the first time I noticed that how much I really appreciated the first movies use of color was when he's like going in a rocket to to the moon and it's just like purple lights, you know to help the you know, because it's a very it's very calm helps you sleep and I'm like, I've never seen purple in this in space before. I think he mentions Earth being a marble. Yeah, and you've got like the just them looking up Earth that shot is. Yeah. I feel like you could take you can take very like a lot any really any shot from this movie and it would be you could use it as a desktop wallpaper just touching on that with like talking about nice-looking believable and things like this read some interviews with like space experts because I'm really you're into that really, so I'm not Foot to my research in this podcast and there was a space enthusiasts a scientist. I didn't put that much effort in but a man who really knows his shit about things going on up there. Yeah, and he said this is without doubt it obviously is a Spaceman. So he's seen every space for them because it is interest. This is without doubt the most accurate and the most realistic portrayal of her journey to space. There's ever been put to cinema. I think that Rings true, I mean obviously I'm not a space enthusiasts, but I've seen a lot of space movies That's on the space station is David Bowie last week. We were singing the like three different David Bowie songs, and so you No who i'm honorees in the space station. He sang David Bowie song Joong ho more about think I'm at a loss right Focus. So he's an ass is National and space station. I think I know you don't yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah either leaves drinks. He like goes to put that drink down but course he's used to zero gravity and he just drops it and they all the things like that and the shot when Brad Pitt finally lands on Earth and he goes to get out. The craft we just Keys legs collapse. I thought was brilliant because of course he's been in zero gravity for overtly a couple of couples good we use chunk of time. Yeah. So the fact that it showed like he's legs collapse just a small little details like that's brilliant and that kind of and I can lends itself to the World building in this movie because I know he's saying that there were a couple of things that went exactly explain but I really appreciate just how how real a lot of this seems like it just seemed like the next step in Our like our world in space travel. Yeah. Yeah. I just I thought yeah, so like on the technical staff like if you're looking at this movie technically, it's great. Technical absolute technical Masterpiece. I'd go that's fair. That's fair. But that's the technical side. Yeah the story this year. The story side is packed. Oh. Explain, I don't know I'm saying dare, right? So the time in terms of what is the par and why is this so bit? I think she just because it's I'm saying just because it's very busy. You're going through space to find your dad. I just think that in itself is a big old metaphor, isn't it? Yeah. It's like yeah, he's literally he's literally trying to find his dad but also like emotionally try to find his dad and he's also becoming his dad. I can't like that like thematically go to the ends of the Earth for you. I'd go all the way and watching for you. I'm putting this in quotation marks killed a few people accident. So you like that way is because he murdered people he did murder people. Like he says I'm not I'm not my dad. I'm not going to become that man. Yes, he's as he's on the way like to the journey. I think this is like your second stop when he says it's someone like I don't want to be who he is to us is sadly start off on the journey like all my dad's a hero. I really can't wait to see him again. I want to be just like him and then on as the journey continues he finds out more stuff about him is lame. This isn't the man. I thought he wasn't this isn't who I want to be. Expectation vs. Reality. Yeah, exactly. I think if you've got family issues and you what you're watching this, I think that we'll probably going to be a really relatable film award to like to see probably gonna break you down. Yeah. Absolutely. So my dad just popular shots for 17 years. Is that pop the Neptune 4:30? Yeah. I was joke calling some that's right. I'll take the lead on this inconsistencies and inaccuracies within the film me and Lee all at the end which I can only put down to he spent about six months right in the film. It gets to the end. He's like just looks like a Runway rushed ending. Yes rushed ending yet. So we've got no I know exactly what you're gonna say here. Yeah. My dad's drifted off into space. I've only hooked myself and then oh, no, I'm also floating around in space. I'll just I'll struggle my legs like I'm swimming and I'll get back to the little space what he did and then oh, no, I need to get back to my spaceship over there, but there's no tether for me anymore because I just fucking jumped out my pod and just swam into my dad's house on Neptune and now I've lost my iPod. So I need to get back to my spaceship that'll lift over there. What should I do? I know I'll climb on top of the little wind turbine on top of his own. I'll pull the metal panel off. And I push myself on my feet in the force of that will get me through an asteroid belt. Yeah bullshit just float me nicely. Like that's all the asteroids that could probably murder me it'll just land like realistically even if you've got protection that you would bounce right off that like you would be out of there right here slightly. Yeah, you're not the Indie guy. boosters, I mean maybe I was always under the impression until I seeing this that But you're in space. The worst thing that could ever happen here is to become untethered from where you are because you're just going to float off into nothingness. Yeah, and this happens to him about three or four times and you always find his way back to where he wants to be. That's a fair point. Yeah, I think in a sense the way that I saw the movie is that like all the typical problems that you see in a lot of space based movies that you know might cause tension like cheap tension. They kind of just like disregard all that like, I mean, there's There's never a seam where like like for example when he's getting attacked by the Pirates like Brad Pitt his suit get shot or something like that and he like covers up the whole like almost instantly so I kind of took it as yeah, I mean, you know how in a lot of other space movies how if somebody gets a cracked visor? It's a big like five minutes scene of always he gonna die or not. They kind of just like they're kind of just like now we're not doing that. We're not going to you know force that tension on you it like the the problem is not is Vic's it's more of the allegorical and thematic story that we're going through here. You don't have to worry about the statistic the scientific well as lends itself to the also does a fantastic job of building up character. Yeah, when like is its peers and I'll fix problem straight away. It shows like hole which an experienced space money is yeah. You don't send a guy a Neptune if he's incompetent where nobody builds that only believe and that's what I'm saying of the point of all these really big actors who take on these And you forget that who they are and you truly engrossed in the character. It's then that's the little nuances that it does like that like the fiction problems really quickly or the heart rate and like stay in Campos when he's falling through the sky and things like that that all adds to this world and makes it believable and really helps you remove yourself in it. So in that way then a fantastic job and if it was more of that and less of the tackle and all of the big stage world problems that the try to get in there metaphorically and otherwise, it would be a much about film that was and obviously that that did kind of knock the movie point was for me and especially like in a car like talking about is yeah, you're right. I mean, I think this movie was Maybe a bit too ambitious nothing wrong with them bishan for sure. But yeah, there was a couple of things like like like we've already discussed I couldn't really get behind and was thought was a bit bit much. It's just that too much to say I think for what the film was it could have been like the slowly spread over sequels, but other movies, but for the directors on like personal point of view could have been put in other movies like I'll reference one of your Her films Lalo so LOL and directed and written by Damien chazelle, correct. So who also did Whiplash blush so you can tell those two movies have both very different stylistically, but they're both telling similar story surrounded with in the same sort of theme article point, but they but they touch on different elements of those thing up the mounting points in different movies. So I'm saying they could have done something similar to this where they did in Ad Astra they cut they tackle. A few of the issues that they're doing in this movie, but the other ones that they wanted to do, maybe do another space movie and just see what happened. It was a lot wasn't it of like things that mean think like all the things and I was just amazed by the fourth or fifth one when its leg. Like consumerism commercialism capitalism and personal relationships. Were you your father and like almost like your it just became Insufferable. Yeah, really, but it doesn't grown. It doesn't change the fact that this movie is like it is atmospheric as all hell and it really does like you get sucked into it sucked in as you both know that unique. I'd like to my son that I like recording this. So I paid very close attention to this film sound and I have to say it was fucking phenomenal. It was yeah sound when it was needed and then the lack of sound. Yeah, it was all just phenomenal and like the soundtrack The just like the five that was slightly course space. You don't hear anything space final frontier. Yeah Notions of or you just don't like here the cause I'm seeing caught the buggies other bookies. Yeah space cars race cars. Yeah. It's basically His bookie things you don't hear them. You don't hear the pirate crashing of the solar panels on that point the when you get taken into the recording studio and it's really really really really soundproof to the point of every inch of it is like thick with padded reminded me of like there's an Austria. It might be a nice treat them like the world's quietest room. Yeah, you can get your blood flowing through again. All you could hear through that was Brad Pitt to there's no skull there was nothing else. It was just Brad Pitt like all you could almost feel like you could hear his breathing underneath it as well. Like if you really inside his mind because of course the first message was more like practically. Oh, yes the second one you could just see that was him being Like least I've come on man. He's done a fantastic job. And I think when you put it like that and how hard that must have been when it's literally just him and ignore the distractions for the viewer and you just focus on what Brad Pitt can do ya do we think Oscar? Mmm, I think I mean, I think I think it might be a bit too. So it's a very slick I said earlier. It's a very subtle performance and I think it might pass a couple of people by I think oscar-worthy for sure. Yeah. I'd like at least at least for a nomination. Absolutely. Would it would he get it? I doubt it. I think this is a Ethan Hawke and First Reform situation all over again. He got the nomination. It was a fantastic performance and it's the sort of the the same performance. We're too emotional and it's real like Powerhouse performance, but then it just gets overshadowed by the bigger movie in the end. Well, I think I think Brad Pitt's I mean I might be, you know making this up, but I'm pretty sure Brad Pitt said that he's not actually going to be campaigning for this. Movie to go into the Oscars. So in a sense you can take away with he deserves it but he's not fighting together it but I do agree that this it's one of my favorite performances of his and given that like, you know, Brad Pitt he's been around for a while. He's one of the most recognizable faces in all of Hollywood. He's been in like every movie ever made. This is first film since split with good old and we just did I once upon a time in your life. It's a low profile and then he's really.just came back this year with Once Upon a Time Hollywood and then literally like a month later. I had a stroke and the board absolutely fantastic for yeah, but considering that like, you know, Brad Pitt has one he has won an Oscar before but on but as a producer hmm, I think that was a 12 Years a Slave maybe. Yeah 12 years. Yeah, but he also produced it. But yet like I it might be one of my favorite performances of his aside from his relationship with Angelina Jolie. Mr. And mrs. Smith. I haven't I've got it on the on the fact of his former flame. Let's not forget the Caster's it Liv Tyler as the wife. I I'm gonna go out on a limb and say this she did nothing. She looks very much like Angelina Jolie. And do you think that was a point that Brad Pitt other than influencing green with a woman with big lips and brown are just so I can remember what I wanted. I mean, what's so Liv Liv Tyler? I I do not like looks I'll actually the yeah, it was Liv Tyler. I've actually got this written down in my notes as I was watching. The movie The Fourth point that I wrote down was Liv Tyler always looks like she's crying ha ha ha and bear in mind. She had only been on screen for about two minutes. And yeah, I'm not finding it did seem pointless cussing like a well established actress in a brawl. That's small. Well same with like Donald Sutherland and yeah, yeah. No, he was really good though. Yeah, it was good. I mean cuz what HUD start having heart problems and then tree I think essentially died before Brad Pitt took off from the Moon Yeah, and fun fact for you Donald Sutherland and Tommy Lee Jones with two members of Space Cowboys. Wow, and I can't help but feel like that was intentional. We've been talking about it for a while now, she'll be gone at some facts and stats and trivia Etc. We absolutely shall. So as always we start off with the box office and as Austria has been out now for approaching on a month or about 5 days off a month. Yeah and the budget for Ad Astra to the stars in English was 87 million 87 million eighty seven and a half million dollars and in its opening weekend USA. Remember we need to remember this is not the joke of this is not a blockbuster. This is very much an indie film. It's got some funding and some links from some big there's some big companies but predominantly this is an indie film. Yeah and in its opening weekend that made 19 million. In u.s. Dollars that was on the 22nd of September and so far worldwide. It has made 120 million. So it's it's smashed its box office not as much as as the joke it is or as but you've got a member as well. You've just said it isn't it's an Indian for an indie. That is fantastic. If you thinking about this directors filmography like I mean the most notable film that he's ever made. So his name is James Gray most notable film that is ever made the lost city of Z starring Charlie Hunnam and Tom Holland who again His best friend. I absolutely hate the good you don't talk about me. Yeah. Listen Zach Jennifer. Yeah listening Zach you fucker. But yeah, we're following the street this to him. I want an army gone for Zac Efron and Zack if you'd like to come on the show. If you'd like to even contact me in private. I want to know why you're such a little sniffle and dick. Oh that's getting clipped and put onto Twitter. But yeah, so considering this Guys filmography. This is you know, this is another league for me. I'll get an A in a star like Brad Pitt's gets a budget really budget like this big. Yeah big deal because lost city is e we could just call it a warm-up. Yeah sure and then the rest are all really what skewer. So I would ask you kelan being the Indigo. Would you like to see more of this guy if he's going to be going in this direction? Absolutely. Yeah, but if this is a one-off sort of thing mmm, I mean, it's the most successful movies done so far. Oh, yeah it so if you're not going to want to not repeat that so obviously he's basically only had two Heavy Hitters so far and if it's a toss-up between is this director going to be going down the route of lost city of Z or Ad Astra if he's going to be doing more stuff along the lines of lost city of Z? No, no, Duster, he's got himself into a niche that only a few of the directors and he's in like the Mel Gibson territory and the Damien chazelle territory and in terms of the aesthetic and the colors and the the the direction and if you can keep a lot Mel Gibson and Jimmy salt obviously some of my favorite directors you can keep that up you can work is with that little group removing all go flip tea parties and kiss each other up Frank and Benny's kiss each other only on the cheeks. I thought oh God that tickles me. So yeah join get some more facts and see if I can start will give a very very very large mention honorable mention to the cinematography Don that is height van Hoy De Mer so nice to Liam's and twice. He has done the cinematography for don't cry. Okay Interstellar Let the Right One In and her the Joaquin Phoenix joint. Yeah. This guy's got a pretty he's got a good few notches on his belt a stick fantastic is resident. It is it like it is is something to behold. It's recommend if if anything we've says an in any way an interest to you, I read would recommend going to see this in the cinema. Absolutely. Can there was a just to touch on it briefly. There was a point like when you think about being immersed in what you're watching just to go back to the phone really quickly. There was an end point that I think it's just after Brad's propelled himself off of the space junk and he gets back towards the the spaceship and he goes off into the night and the camera just stays for about what seems about 2 minutes and you just see the stars all over the screen and the special gets smaller and smaller. Like a little Flash and then that combine to the little Spotlight in the cinema really makes you feel like you're in space with him and it brings the screen out into the I feel like that was intentional because ignoring the dinos and setup of the room and it just really brought another level to it and it got you invested more than it would for like a full mile couldn't wasn't set in space in the using it to their advantage. Absolutely Mmm Yeah, my not know I think that's a fair point and very very thought-provoking can thank you. So if Else we want to talk on what you want to get into the ratings before we get there. Well, I'm sorry. I just I found a crazy credit on IMDb which is quite interesting though the 20th Century Fox logo plays at the beginning bum bum bum bum bum bum bum, but when that happens, there's none of that shit. It's The logo there's no fun 400 crazies luck, but I got to say it was worth it just to hear us sing and you never got in the movie. But if you want to come and watch our podcast after yeah, you've got it from us. You don't have to see the movie today. We are giving you what folks Couldn't Write fine starts Quan start their ratings as woman go on. Oh, look, there's a there's actually a quote from the director there. It's talking of 2001. So it's clearly the direct influence James Gray has said this is as I said the space people also said the most realistic depiction of space travel and it's described as sort of like if you got Apocalypse Now in 2001 a giant mashup friends this week. Because of your phone column, you should go first. Yeah, I'll go first chef's kiss all day long. I'd ask her to the stars for me. Get a very very strong. It's pork and it's foot in the next Camp. It's a very strong 7 out of 10. It would have been a 10 out of 10 if it wasn't so heavy on the ulterior motives than the messages. It was transcend. Oh, yeah, Brad. Okay. I'm kind of old. The same - column here. You know what? I'm just going to go straight. I'm going to say something with them as well. Yeah, like the chief basically hit the nail on the head. It is a really good film but the story is just too fucking heavy. Yeah. It's like you both both of you said like it is a lot world and have a lot to talk about on his podcast. And yeah, I can see why because there was a lot of stuff to take in. So yeah, that's why I'm giving it a 7 out of 10. This pains me. Course, it means there's probably going to be lower than Georgia unless some decides to give it 15 out of 10. Well, I'm not allowed to do that. Right? So I'll be honest with you when I saw this movie. I was kinda like when I walked out of it. I was I felt like I was just like on another planet or something like that. It was like a it was it was a very impactful viewing experience for me. It is a slow burn but I'll be honest with you. I actually like a lot if it's done right? I love slow Burns and fax a lot of slow. Burns are in like top 10 moves of all time. So that's great visuals are fantastic. I love the very the subtlety of the score. I think Brad Pitt was fantastic. I think all the technical elements of this movie are outstanding, but the script is loaded as all hell and a lot of the side characters really do take a bit of a backseat to the point where wide where you're asked why is there so many Known people in this movie for what equates to about 10 minutes of screen time with Brad Pitt and yeah it the themes of this movie tackles while necessary and important kind of do a compromise each other when you cram them all into one movie, but that being said, I think I'm going to give this an 8 out of 10. Hmm. Yes. Do you know what means columns just crawled into the good bin? I wasn't it's literally because thank you. I was going to propose a rule change if it didn't get into the beer. I advise if you're a Sci-Fi fan go see it. I would recommend actually just saying it as if you just if you're a fan of really good films as well as yeah recommended if you found a Brad Pitt. Yeah to check it out. I think it's just if you're a fan of James Gray from Los it easy go check it out. Crosses the fuck. This story is very heavy. Yeah, I think I'm really good. Yeah, it's not it's not it's not bad. It's actually really really good. It's just that one aspect makes it sort of border on the edge of pretentious you makes you feel a bit icky. They don't need this so so it's in the good bin. It's in the good but not so she'd been so I'm going to end this by asking you all. So Ad Astra space moving to the Stars. Yes space movie. What is your favorite space based movie of all time of all time? Should this is this would probably be up there with in my top five now. Okay, because I'm not really a space fun. But this had such a quite a compelling story that it was it was more than a space for them so that I definitely put that up there but as for a definitive favorite of all time, hmm Really really tough question. I probably have to go first month again on the Damien chazelle hype train, but that is similar to the Ad Astra in the sense of it looks fantastic. But in terms of cinematography the reason I put this as my number one Spears film is because this might be my number-one film of all time in terms of the look of a fillable saw the color palette the cinematography the set design Productions that everything about it was gorgeous. So great first man bread funny enough. I was going to say first one also, but I feel like I've got a come with a different angle. Yeah be original. I will just say first one very good specialist, but if we're thinking of another space film, I think the one that I really liked and I don't know if it's been mentioned this podcast Interstellar, right? I really liked that film same cinematographers Ad Astra into the stars, but I'm working my part of pick one right Samuel I'd say it's a toss-up between Apollo 13 and Star Trek and Star Trek 2009. Oh, yeah, all of us just told Star Wars or suck a fat one there. No one gave a fuck. You know II was just completely forgot. No, I knew I had it in my mind. I was like, I'm not saying Star Wars. All right. So what now next week's film so it is spratlys Choice relieved and for the lovely warm bed the lovely 16 tug duvet that is indeed somu we're going over to the rocky. No man's land. That is Blockbuster. So you guys were heard this but color remember what I taught you before I've got a surprise for you. No. Yeah, so originally I told column we're going to watch a film called because I should also point out because my week doesn't land on Halloween. It's columns we can but it's spooky Seasons. It's a good surprise for me. Probably not be any worse than slaughter house rules. So I thought you know what? I'll find a good horror, which I like and I was originally going to go for Ghost Stories. Hmm But Then I thought it's the spooky season. I've gotta find something that color was terrified of and I know that just one thing So next we commitment look at me in the eyes when I say this. Next week's film is Baywatch. Spoiler alert, it's going to be in the shipping. It's going to be at the bottom of the ship bit because you're gonna give me a lever bleated in the ship in. I tell it we want RIT the film actually because we know where it's going to be will instead rid Zac Efron's performance against the rest of his performances and we'll see if it can get even before every other piece of shit. He's made you fucking there's a bit sexy man. This is good surprise for you. It's not a good surprise for a good surprise. Broken mock pick the one-way players sexy serial killer. Yeah. No, I thought I'd go worse for you. Go worse for you. It's a horror, isn't it is a hurry at all, right. All right. 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Look I really put it down everybody. Hey everybody Welcome to AfterBuzz TV tonight we are course talking challenge 34 were the world's 2 episode 2 Electric Boogaloo. Just kidding. It's called God Save the Queen. My name is Daniel lingered AKA dizzied an AKA Danny drama to my left Straight Out The Sandlot. We got Benny the jet Rodriguez one up there. What's up guys? Glad to be here for another episode of The Challenge and it was a good one. Very good all the way from Camelot. We got panels on. Hey everybody. Thank you for joining us. Thank you for staying up late. We have some people in the chat that are mentioning that it's late for them their East Coast time. So we really appreciate it. We are super excited to get into this episode with y'all. Yes, Dad. I'm feeling the energy. Yeah laughing. Yeah, that's just your ass and certainly last but not least a man that I've been told can do a hundred push-ups at a time David. You know, what a hundred is kind of pushing these days Dan. Do you know they're dead. I'm gonna be okay. That is absolutely what's going on guys David here only have one AKA mr. Punk rock goodness. Thank you guys so much for joining us. I wanna give a shout out real quick to my buddy. His name's will stud on Twitter. He find them at Will's underscore stud. He's been a fan of the show for a while. So want to give a shout-out thank you so much for tuning in. Let's do this. Guess let's do this. Alright, so tonight's episode. We start with a Proving Ground and then we go into Rogan apparently being as a d and then we hop into this - hey, Daddy, I don't even know you guys. With that means is it like a hot daddy? I don't know but we'll find out in a second. Okay, cryptic crossbow is the challenge that we have tonight. It's a female elimination. So we're going to be talking about that this tribunal thing. I have a lot of thoughts on that. I want to really dig down if I if we feel this is the right way to go about making a tribunal feels like the producers just like we want more drummers going to this you guys decide instead of having some type of like Rhythm or rhyme to actually the reason of doing it that way and then of course we have the Big T vs. Georgia elimination sounds good. I also so good. We've got some crazy news and gossip tonight that I want to share with you guys. So I want to tease that to you and I have a call to action of stuff. I want you to write in the comment section, which we're going to do at the end of the episode. So make sure you stick around to hear that but first overall thoughts my man Benny, what do you think this ways even better than last episode? Okay. It was so intense. My favorite part was the challenge of course. Yeah, the challenge just keeps on upping itself each episode each Season saw is very happy right on came in hot with that competition. That was so good. I forgot how much I missed cams bad be energy and it was so great to have her in full camouflage act tonight love her and sad that we didn't get to know Big T better and also want to give our condolences to the heat of left early because of the passing of a relative which A bummer so sad about that but I'd love Georgia. So it's all going to shake out interestingly. Yeah, just to piggyback off of what you guys said. I agree. I think it's getting better. They're upping it. Obviously killcams always a great big fan of hers kind of bummed as well. It's not just you know, not to see what big Ts offer because she up. He seemed like a really good competitor. Yeah. I was surprised I got ya, you know, so that's a bummer but overall, I think the episode was a lot of fun. So it's going good. Yeah. I reverse the Big T thing. Like I really like at the beginning of the episode. They really tried to show how like unathletic. Or an are unmotivated or lazy you she was but by the end I was like, I don't want either of these varieties right really disappointing but really one of them had to go the episode starts off with this Proving Ground. Did anyone really think that are just was going to switch sides? I was saying his name right? I'm saying his name. Right? Right. No, I didn't think he really was going to but it was still it still has a nice twist because as it gets further along now, I could see how someone like George up for instance and spoiler alert. Hopefully seen episode could consider it in. Face of the smoking that the UK got with each competition even TJ said there's never been a more brutal Beatdown on a team competition. Yeah, like they really got slammed and if you really are in it to win it and win the money I could see you wanting to go with the team that's proven themselves to be very strong that likes you and wants you. Yeah, definitely definitely challenges your loyalty here. That's for sure. I mean either jump ship and go with the team this kicking that but are you gonna stick around to your real friends as Georgia says and play it out, you know, so I I think it's definitely put you in a predicament. Yeah, it's too early to I think it's too early to switch teams right now right now with the UK their team is stacked. So why switch over where you're going to be the low number on the u.s. Yeah. That's that's excellent point you brought up any so I was thinking like, you know throughout the season things are going to change though, right? Do you guys predict anybody switching sides if they win an elimination? I have a list of three people I do to hear from you guys go west you think well, yeah. Because everyone knows his game now, you know, he's been on the show for so long people know people they know what he's about. Right? So if he gets thrown in that would be a very smart move because he's going to a team where it's a bunch of new people and they don't know his game. I think that's a great call and seeing how it shakes down closer to the end. If it's those guys that he's in an alliance with and bananas and Jordan trying to steamroll him might not be a bad idea for us. To think about yeah, I was gonna say I think that's kind of a narrative or scene right now Wes being singled out a little bit. So I think that tacked on with the newbies and him being able to have that power again. I think that's enough motive and also just to be spiteful and be Wes, you know, yeah, I mean, I obviously have West down here I put CT just because maybe he wants me with him, but maybe I'm also thinking maybe throughout the season he might start to really like being on me UK side because he's have dysfunctional the u.s. Wins. However, if the As wins every week it's going to start getting real old and people you don't wanna maybe switch over especially if they're strong competitor and they know they're not gonna get voted in right away. If you can I would think if anything it's going to be a Brit to the US and not maybe a u.s. Bit except. Of course, we brought up the the West. Yeah and the chat and I apologize if I'm saying the name wrong says Wes is next. So think that means switching so we'll see I want to quickly talk about the D in Rogan and law. Laurel and bear that whole quick thing before we get into the first challenge of the night. Okay. What's his daddy? A hot Daddy's a one thing in the zadi I think is a little older younger chat because not all maybe his daddy is an extra sexy daddy. I said I think that there's obviously doing it not it she might find a cute but it's definitely she's the strongest girl on the American he did this last season with us Nani was trying to hook up and I don't know why he'd do that. Now. He's not that great. You know, he has a sexy person. Thank you. Again. It's not a like a Twist on Darren. It is a little bit. So bear it seems like morale is really she's like, oh, yeah. She's yeah like we don't way we Saudi turn it on that we haven't seen it's rare that we see Laura like goofy loved me. I'd she definitely is feeling bear. He seemed to be playing the he was like, all right, then. Yeah, you're easy to talk to you like he's pretty you know willing to throw himself at a lot. But we see and he seems like he's like tolerating it but he doesn't seem that into her to me. I don't know really. Yeah, I don't think he's Seems sincerely such a such a good talker though with the girls matter what he the stuff he was saying to Georgia last season and she was just all flow, you know flutter. I do think he has a thing for Georgia though. Oh, yeah. I'm she really are still does. Well. I I mean he's always going to probably be some kind of yeah feelings and chemistry. I mean you say have an episode I mean, yeah, but there's just that it's there's like a lot of like history there, you know. Yeah, but the way he was with George are even with nany like, you know, Liked really turning it on their way. I didn't think he was doing that to Laurel. He was like facing the edge of the pool while she was their body language was like right here him and I'm her he was like faced forward and she was like like we have to think about the game now. He was like, I guess we don't heed he didn't seem as into it as she did but we'll see if he goes that route for gameplay. I mean don't we see him making out with Kaylee? Is that him then he okay. Yeah, I guess I thought with our saw her. Yeah some people there. Yeah, who knows? How long is the first challenge is called? Cryptic? Crossbow? All right. Yeah, 16 letters. You gotta jump in the water grab these 16 letters. I think each person can only get 1 and then on the bright side that to people how to get to but I don't think you're allowed to just like I don't think Wes could have just swam out and taken five back right didn't really explain the rules that well in that regard, but I think the idea was that everyone had to take one group could enough people like Wes Goin 20 times. Well, I was thinking that once he's out there he could just keep grabbing them, but I don't Those we had to take one and that seemed like their strategy in regards to that since they weren't allowed to get multiples was to get have the strongest swimmers go to get there first. Yeah pieces when killed it. Yeah. Yes, really? Kinda. Oh, that's what we're gonna get into that in a second. But yes, it was a forward puzzly how to solve but it looks like they had a right. They had a feeling that the outsides of those words, correct? Like he was just it was it was sport. I'm gonna be completely honest. I was totally lost. It was weird the the gold Blocks that they had to fill in with those special cryptic letters were on the outside of the jumbled words in the middle. So the words are jumbled in the middle, but they were all one two, three re-put right? Am I right? They had to fill up the entire board first before they could launch the person our special letters were in there to solve the words first or were the same just had yellow ones there no matter what they just all had to be on the board before you could launch that guy and then you can start solving Whenever but I think once the letters were on the board where you're not allowed to take them down because it was it was it was super confusing work because they were out they didn't it's funny. They didn't super explain at this time. And there was a lot of as we know the USA on USA team Division and people yelling at each other. I think you could take them down because they were like put him back at some point Laurels taking things off and right they were saying we should just solve it by making either way. It's a six-letter cryptic texts on the scroll thingy that they one person had to go swim out and bring back. That's the that's the idea first team to do it gets the win my first question. Did you like this challenge? I didn't have a problem with it. I loved it. I loved it. I loved it more than most challenges. I liked it because you got to see a lot of different strengths and the way everyone conducted themselves, obviously swimming swimming and as someone also said in the chat, sorry, it was earlier Cara and I think cam they said got better at swimming and it's true. It was good to see On the teams that we know has improved obviously West really did put his money where his mouth is so you have the physical thing then we had the teamwork aspect with a puzzle that was really cool to watch and telling about the way the teams functioned and how they imploded are otherwise didn't and then the relying on one person and their strategies on why they picked Jordan. I liked it a lot right? It's interesting because they are like who's the best swimmer than bananas is like bananas actually point. In West is it's this guy. So I think originally they wanted West to do the Catapult launch thing. They wanted him on that and bring back the thing and then Wes is like, I really don't feel well, right and then for before Johnny later on to say that he thinks that Wes is kind of Faking all this because he's it's not Wes Wes has been on this show for 20 years now. He's never once done this properly and he had a wicked a tapeworm or a worm of some kind some kind that's he was throwing up. Like that's that's that's debt must drain the crap out of your body. He wasn't faking it. So that's yeah. Formed his butt off and so that it didn't and that's the whole thing too is even though he had the tapeworm whatever he still swam out the furthest and the fastest and yeah, no issues at all that and say I'm so glad to have big bad villain bananas back. Like I didn't like bananas being the the one that was getting targeted by the lavender ladies and the other people because then you actually would he's the underdog that Kim just being a straight-up jerk that we can hate again. Now, he's back to like throwing his moustache in the corner and making evil plans. He's not playing this season because last season he got voted off like super early. So right he's not playing around at all. The thing about the whole bananas and West thing it's always like bananas versus West but this season I mean Jordan is going at West so hard you have like this three-headed monster because you have Zach and you have leaving away, but they're not really We at the top where those three are as far as try to be the most vocal and we can maybe agree on that but II did that three headed monster those three. I just think are the ones that go out of even Paul. He's been a little chilling in the back. So he's doing like he's gonna come in from below and try to get it. Does that though? I think I know he's waiting for you in that moment. Wes needs to Ally with turbo now make it strong. I mean turbo likes him knows him. Turbo doesn't have a lot of other people and Both great. So turbo poly Wes could taste once it becomes. I mean, honestly we talked about it earlier. I want Wes to go in with an elimination. I want him on that UK side. I want him with the the Rohan Josh joggin geoghan, whatever their content and CT the four of them teaming up and within that field over there to be solitary. Yeah. Awesome thing is who's gonna be big enough to like vote Wes in that's the big question for anything if the US ever loses on a guy's day Weston Theory could just Vote that serious good yesterday. It's nothing stopping someone from voting. There's no rule that says you're not allowed to get I could see him doing that. Also. He's okay Jordan and bananas to fighting with it. Every he wants to go against that space might be on their team. Good point very true. It's going to add some excitement to the to the season for sure. Yeah. So the UK got their butts kicked, but I don't even think it was close. A lot of those UK kids. They can't swim to save their lives. It was really bad news for to say especially the rookie. They're being taken to school so far. Welcome to the challenge guys. That was another reason why I like this because we're getting to see how important experience it's in these challenges as much as the USA team might be getting in their own way in terms of their egos and personalities. They the UK team really needs a leader. They're disorganized. They don't know how to do these things and it's showing I mean CT is their leader pretty much and in this challenge just prove that it's not just about brute strength. It's also about you know, how smart you are and how fast of a swimmer you can do and communication like this big huge team communication and with them not knowing each other not just as a team, but with the rookies and the other people not having been on challenges that made for a recipe of I think that mean I'm sorry, that's your right. But you know one thing you did say, I think they do need a leader. There's no leadership at all. Team and communication is key. I feel like everybody just kind of like looking around like just kind of stumbling around, you know, it's like they need someone Solitude just take hold of that team and just put it together. Yeah falling apart. So yeah and ideally someone that's not really for 20 years been part of the other team so, you know, he's not there. Who is it? I mean, I can't even Tyler bear but neither of them quite well because you don't even feel I don't want to see feel soft-spoken, but I never see him really I mean tonight. They tried to show him a second getting upset with CT. So maybe he would step it up. And Theo could be the guy. I just don't know who would be leading that team. I guess Kyle but then Kyle Even admits. How dumb is all the time? So why do you want to be in the leader? I don't worry. Yeah, she's pretty nice right I could do is start. Yeah because I'm trying to think what girls on the UK could do it? Yeah, I guess Georgia. I think she would be I mean Haley's been around for a while, but I just don't think he's that strong and I love her daily this season Kaylee's. Well, she doesn't have a lot to say about that. So we had a bum. We're going to get to the my issues with the tribunal in a second here. But Benny you got a message for the peeps out there. Yes, we here at AfterBuzz. Just want to let you guys know how grateful we are for making us the ESPN a TV talk and in order for us to grow we need your help. So if you're on YouTube right now, go ahead and give us a thumbs up. 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There's no Rhyme or Reason for who gets to decide who they just you last season the seasons before you'd had a win and if you want or something, you got to be in the tree View and then you've got the pick people. So let's say that but like there's no real winner for these challenges. So TJ's like hmmm The Producers want drama so they just told me. To say who talks first gets to be that in the time but you decide it doesn't it just seems kind of a cop-out to me. I love it. Okay, cuz not necessarily the tribunal part, but that it's formed by someone just speaking up and it's really interesting that Jordan did it last week and I was like wait Jordan just said like I'm I'll talk for the team and that's how it was. That's what Kim did tonight who said Cam cam did yeah it is. Well, no one saw everyone sitting there scratching their you know, all these Egos and all right didn't they learn from the time before or no? The the early bird gets the worm and no one said anything like there is no good pause and then can't was just like, all right, I'm gonna do I understand how they could get mad at her and they had an opportunity to say. Oh, I'll do it. Yeah true. I mean, I guess no matter who did it though. They were going to be mad at that person. Well now that it's it didn't seem like anyone. Is mad at Jordan but it also seemed like that was a fluke. Now that we know this is a pattern. They're going to start to get their start planning their going to start planning or I mean like TJ is soon as likes a good as soon as TJ says, all right, so someone inside I mean if someone could wax we could just shout it out and just see what happens there. Yes. I then eventually it's going to be like they're all going to be just shouting out and then that's another facet. That's why I think it's interesting. Yeah, it's not like the winner picks two. People are yeah, it's really crazy. And I don't know if they're Rising at the same time. We are in the real time that like who I guess whoever says I'm in charge is in charge. Yeah. I don't know how it works weird. It seems that whoever says their votes infer that they want to be in the Tribune which who wouldn't want to be I guess and plus it's a girl's elimination. So, you know, if you say it first, you're safe. Yeah, it just seems so unfair and um, I just can't stand it well, but cool that it just seemed I lost my train of thought but yeah, so cam decides to pick Polly and Ashley. What do you think that cam really had a plan for poly or was that just like after and I think they like each other offset. So I assume offset off the show. I guess it's a set I think cam to just jump in set it really. Well. She said I'm not I came into this. I don't have an alliance. I want to insert myself like I like Polly and car and I think they're good. I think she Wants to get he has an alliance on the UK though because her and Kaylee were talking the last episode a lot less about whatever there because they were a team last time, right? Yeah. They were yeah, which is great for both. I love that. They can give each other Insider knowledge because but she needs someone on her side is really needs an alliance on our team. And she said yeah, I want to insert myself. I liked I liked it was the most blatant. She's like I want to insert myself in an alliance with them. So that's why I think I don't think it was a yeah because he was like, I don't even want to be in Tribe, you know this week but and I don't know. What Ashley does she know at do they know each other? Yeah. That was the only one I was confused about. It doesn't consider her threat. I don't know. Well who else would other girls on the on the US has she been friends with it was kind of rare. I mean, I thought I was kind of random and then obviously the explanation with Polly. Okay, I get it at first. I was really curious as right all you like. I don't know to me. It just seemed it kind of random but you actually is a strong competitor get take take away last season. Where is she? Is what which was like the first one voted off like before that, you know, she's one too if I'm not mistaken, so maybe that was why that is a good that's that makes sense. I think cam is really smart. And I trust that she is one step ahead. So Stakes were low for her. Anyway, just picking someone was just kind of nice to Garner favor with and I guess she's looking around thinking maybe who isn't in a tight Alliance and Ashley doesn't have the lavender her usual clanny. That's true. It seems like getting yourself a vote bringing Polly and his leg bringing Polly and Cara, right? So picking another girl. That's a strong competitor. That doesn't have an alliance to smart. I guess. Yeah, let's do the tribunal next time talk tribunal here. There are four rookies on the UK side. For some reason. They're only really going after big to your Ester first and then your girl Pam Kaylee hops in there and it's like hello. There's for now. I love what you did at first, but then if He wants the other two to be in there just to spite the fact that they were only putting in btrs the big tear Esther. Why wouldn't she then vote for Nicole or Jenny? I think she was just trying to stir drama, but I want her to fully stir the damn thing Chef Jenny or wait. Wait don't know cool. Oh my God. Yeah. George is friend. I don't know her name charcoal right win, whatever. She should have voted for her. She had such an issue with Georgia saying all those things about having a police heroes. Can we talk about that? That too heck. Yeah, that's funny that it got turned. I guess don't shoot the messenger and Georgia try and I thought genuinely trying to be nice and saying on a stinks to be blindsided. So prepare your speech because your whoever was talking about that might be seen as pompous that like, oh you think you're in a position to come to me and say everyone picked you I totally understand that but I saw it as Georgia being cool and being like look your name is getting thrown around I want to tell you. the fact that that spun into cutting from a b c d to e to F cam going you think you're untouchable is like wait a second. What Georgia did not say I'm untouchable nor did she say Nicole she was saying look like if I'm one of the people on this team that has that's experience in this isn't my first one that knows people. Nicole's my friend. I didn't think Georgia was being that obnoxious. I do understand the point of saying why is it you two you two decided but I think she was just saying this is what the house what I've been hearing murmurs of and they Foreshadow that in their work out like okay. These are the two girls. I'd want to Target Georgia didn't do anything wrong, Georgia, Georgia just in case and then it got it got changed somehow to when Kaylee heard it and then Kaylee's only hearing it from Esther and whoever else so then Georgia came back as the as the bad person Georgian doing wrong. Well, it's a double it's a double-edged sword change let you know and saying an artist I thought Well, I'm protecting Nicole so I'm not going to say her name. She didn't say no one will and you can't put her up. She said I will she's my ride-or-die. I'm going to protect her and Jenny eat. Let's be real Jenny is a scary Beast even like that. No one wants to and that the UK team doesn't want to lose her. Yeah, and no one else wants to go against her. So it I'm not saying that they made the right choice about anyone had the deserve to go in or didn't but I didn't see it was a game of telephone that landed with Georgia saying I'm untouchable. Touchable and so is this girl because of it? I thought I think it came down to just maybe one just the way it she presented. It may be that kind of rub people a little bit wrong. And then the fact that she said her friend is essentially protected or any other words like she's coming to come in to leave Georgia made it on her but then everyone made it sound like everyone agrees that Nicole should be protected, which is it just kind of came off the way it was presented secondhand from Room telephone. Before we continue one of the ways we keep all these shows for you free is by our amazing sponsors. And today Spotify is one of our sponsors on Spotify. You can listen to all of your favorite artists and podcasts in one place for free. You don't even need a premium account Spotify as a huge catalogue of podcasts on every topic including the one you're listening to right now on Spotify. You can follow your favorite podcast. So you don't miss an episode premium users can even download episodes to listen to offline wherever they are and you can easily share what you're listening to with all your friends and following on Instagram if you haven't done so already Already be sure to download the Spotify app and search for AfterBuzz TV on Spotify or browse podcasts in the your library tab. Also, make sure you follow us. You never miss an episode of AfterBuzz TV. If you're gonna do that though, like I agree with Georgia did I don't think she did anything wrong, but at the same time if you're going to do that to the person who is up for going after for elimination, you have to expect that person as good as scramble and do whatever it takes for her not to go in elimination if animal and you It fall. You can't fall Big T for going out and spreading rumors about Georgia because she's doing what she has to do in order to stay in the game, which is fortunately it didn't work for her. But but it worked better than if she had to go against and someone well if she had to go against Esther who she didn't want to go again or in this this is one of those eliminations that sighs. Can you imagine if it was Jenny? Oh, I know. Jenny because there's no way that Big T is gonna be Jenni at least Beatty obviously because we saw had a chance against Georgia. It was eating match is very gooey man. He's not a man. He's too big of a move too soon. Like you're gonna try and take out their toughest player against Big T. Oh and I want to talk about that. I don't I don't mind them putting in Jenny if the other person that they all voted in with at least comparable. Yeah sighs exactly to her because at one point cam was talking to Paulie. That will backtrack real quick. It was talking to Paulie and saying no I want to go for the big guns on the UK side. I'm like, but they're all the big guns are rookies. So you're not really making that big of a move. The other thing is that you know Polly you the the tribunal that their team votes first. So you have to base it off of that. So it almost doesn't matter. What day is the tribunal want until that decision is yeah because you have to make a decision based on that and I don't know if they care don't care. Are wouldn't go back on their word but picking Jenny to go against Big T. Make sense. Let me ask you this. What what the hell is the point of the tribunal asking Big T to Spill the tea? What are they? Really learn from? This is so dumb. I can't stay in this part of the episode tell us and also tell us who you think's running each team. Who cares who's running HD. Why don't you just a matter of getting as much info on the other team is there's no they already know. It's all going to be lies. They already kind of know what's going on. It's this Just more BS drama that's garbage. Hey, I'm sitting there and I got out of who cares last week. It was a Jordan was sitting there but I have blah blah. I know it's dumb it's worse than it's less than the court the court room. Last season was at least entertaining now, it's they're teaming up on one person who's there was two people kind of fighting together or whatever to defend themselves. Yeah. It's one rookie who doesn't know the game again like Sean like last week right just being beat up but there but Boyd well bunch of bullies on the like bullies I disagree with I disagree with with these three people. I thought they were a lot more chill than the last episode they agree and they don't give up on yourself. Don't let people talk down when it gets down to it. Again, it's early games yet. All the rookies. They've got no Stakes. No one cares about them. They don't know the teammates that well if this was five people left and someone got vote bear got voted in and Rogan jot. Those are not going to get that's when I want to see it be pissed. Yep. That's we're setting it up. We got well, we got a gig let's say it's like a bear or a Jaws at and they're going to say spill at either going to or makeup if you felt like you We're in an alliance with these guys love imagine Wes if it's Leroy Johnny Jordan and Zach vote him. He's the their final five and they vote him. He's gonna say bananas wants you up and that's what do you think pick me pick this guy to go on answer me? I know I can beat him. You're gonna start cutting deep but my point is you're going to see a fight no matter how the fight goes. They're actually going to fight for themselves these first two people. It's just aren't just potentially but it just leaves a possibility of what can happen, you know, and then I'll enjoy it right but that but they'll get mad to get there. He's first these first two weeks. I mean, I know we like to what West did last week. I thought it was kind of funny or whatever. Yeah, but it was just I do you just like was just like Sean. Well the static man Lambs to slaughter right now are these people that don't know what they're doing that are right now. All right. I want to do one more topic before we get any news and gossip and it's the whole Faith versus the boys that were talking. I guess Theo and bear we're talking too loud and fake didn't like it. Yes. What was she doing? Where did she have like pots and pans and we supposedly have that they don't notice the producers conveniently don't show a lot of this stuff. Why can't you show her banging? You know what that reminded me of though. Did you guys ever watch the Bad Girls Club season 2 they already commented on Twitter all about that. They said that Tanisha whoever did. Yeah, it's a nice and you know Faith copied her and it's so unoriginal blah blah blah. So people are already jumping on faith. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, so I have to spell this T that the chat is giving us because it's so big and we were all wondering watching the episode that was weird. Just peaced out faith is pregnant apparently and yeah, that's right. That was one of my news. That's okay. Sorry. Okay, okay, cuz I didn't know that at all. So yes talk to me and then sort of makes I'm not sure I mean is that why she left? I mean that's what they're saying that she but if she might have I don't know if she found that's what I was gonna talk about this you guys get your paper here. I don't know if she found out she took a pregnancy test on the show and then I can't perform the kidding me or if she just used the pots and pans as an excuse because you don't want to say that she was pregnant. Or maybe she was just that like I can't sleep every night and I I might be pregnant and I don't want this kid. Who knows? We don't know. We don't all I can say one thing, you know, if you're pissed because you're getting woken up and they go to sleep like what two hours later from the time you're already and they're going to say, why are you don't wake yourself up again to going them? In It's A Hard toss-up because I love sleep and I hate being woken up. It's annoying at the same time. I think dear God. I don't want to quote Kyle. But I think Kyle said like you're in the townhouse like rollover go back to sleep, which is sort of, you know, you didn't want to be in a loud environment. You know, it's going to be a college like atmosphere with the drinking and the partying and the hooking up and the state the late nights. You got it. I would use gotta bring earplugs but that then you can bring it up there making money every week. They connect they can put in like a nice pair of those. Expensive noise-canceling earplugs with legit work, right and they won't hear anything. They'll sleep like a baby. They were big babies about the reaction like security. Was that hair? It's like I thought it was really lame. He made it was super lame from here. I do want to get in a news and gossip because the first one I have is about faith, but other than her pregnancy, so let's do news and gossip. Okay, there it is right there. Yeah. So a lot of things happen with faith. All right, so she responds on this looks like Twitter hear you. Thought I was trying to kill them by being a pot twice. She says that the producers just kept making the sound effect that she literally just went Bam Bam and that was it the producers obviously be and that's why I was saying to you they don't actually see her bang in these pans because I my conspiracy as always I got a conspiracy is that she probably did it twice and the producers just kept saying bang bang bang bang bang bang. That's what she says. So we're just taking her word for who knows immediately after I got ganged up on by three grown men. I don't know if that's true. We kind of saw there, but it Isn't there usually gang up on their sleep their cows? We're actually just trying to kind of talk to her about it wasn't a gang. He was kick Iowa City and Laurel. So it wasn't really that much of a gang-up. I don't condone condone that type of behavior to any woman. So I dipped so she's saying that she's that's why I have two reasons for her leaving. She said she left because she didn't like being right talked to by three men and backed into a corner as who knows. However, that's the edit that they decided to show so, you know, she doesn't think you got any good at it which day I will agree with our they definitely Edit it to make it look like she was being a little irrational and they were like what we're just we're just being you know loud while you're going to do this. So should we really don't know if it was a little yeah, so but also she wasn't they did they were babies about it. I mean certainly now woke her up. She woke you up everyone by cons. So I've got some more tea on faith now, I don't know if she did this because it's not on it's a picture of her and then there's something written above or anybody could have done this. This but it says my face when I realize I have 20/20 Vision And she's referring to Theo because of his eye issue. That's not funny now, there's a picture of Theo with a response from him that says my face when crazy MF bangs pots and pans for talking outside. Somebody's bedroom tip. Do not go on a TV show with 30 people. If you if you don't like people staying up and talking stay home. You weren't missed. But these aren't these are actual tweets. These are pictures of them with the caption above. So I don't know if someone created these or if they actually had tweeted these out and then people put them into a caption. I couldn't find it. I hope that was not Faith who said that that is and tell us in the live chat wasn't that is the life jacket if we can find those tweets, we'd love to know if those are real tweets or if they're just captions that people made up but they I think that their tweets that people made into captions at that make sense. Yeah and my last news which is the biggest one ever. It's about Sarah rice. Did you this one? The challenge is Sarah rice announces divorce from her husband Landon Patterson after 4 years of marriage, but that's not the big news. The big news is someone that responded on Twitter to this, you know who it was Pam by damn because Pam liked it and here's what cam likes bananas Johnny Bananas wrote. Did he sign a prenup question mark or take the money at? Turkey banana, I'm a banana. I need your thoughts on this because I think this is I think it's uncalled for I think it's ridiculous. I think is ridiculous and having four years ago bananas. You you stole the money from this chick. You won so much more she got nothing be the bigger man. Right? Would you have white? Why is it necessary to comment on this in general? Just let it go like why even talk about her first she got divorced. That's hard for anybody. Yeah. I've never been married. I don't know but the people that do like a divorce. It's not a Fun time why are you rubbing it in further when he already took her money if she took the money from you? Yeah make a comment there. My interpretation is that it's a friendly rubbing that their clothes and their friends have been stolen and she's never had anything nice to say about anything nice to say about the guy Johnny stirring the pot man. You love Johnny David water birth. I was honestly I do defend Johnny. That's pretty harsh. That one is Harsh. I'll give you that my whole thing is He got the money stolen from Sarah and he wants to put a dig on her then make the Dig if Sarah stole the money from you, but you stole the money for and then she's getting a divorce. You rub it in moron, but he's not. Nuns not gonna take her my mean II don't what's a joke a joke about how Johnny stole her money. That's that's just something you just don't do like you can it's you can't just go that far Jan. Okay. Well worn draw up the fact that tying it into her divorce isn't that's why I'm either he's a real monster or their friends and he's making a joke. I mean to be respected as I don't think she was doing it. She she has a podcast with another. Yeah on Challenger. It's called me sir. David Brain something brainier Susie. Isaac's Duty, so I listen to a little bit of that today. And yeah, she has nothing nice to say about banana. Okay is that it didn't affect her. But obviously she's going to say that I think it probably made her a little upset really that like a sincere thing with no friends context. It's horrible and definitely not there's no way they're from I just thought they were in challenge World friendly. That's obviously not a long time ago that they might yeah, I mean, excuse me and her we're definitely not banana fans when they were talking about on the On the podcast that I listened to today Sarah and needs to just come back on the challenge. And do you know how epic that wonder? I don't banana. Yeah, I wonder that too. But I wonder also house card she is from that fine. That's our final experience and that she wanted like well what better way to get over that by facing it though, you know Hunter came back exactly when but because he tried yeah, well apparently because I was she said I think was a couple years ago that producers. Are they still hit her up? Yeah, ask her to come on and she always declines. I think she was she's Like a life going on so she hasn't but maybe sure maybe this will clear up some time and she can come I would love to see her back on. Yeah, that would be Albedo. Yep, Sarah. So let's do this. We get to The Proving Ground Proving Ground time with this final elimination Firestarter. You got a cart with fire on it. That sounds exciting and you gotta you gotta light the fuse of the other person. So you got to push towards their fuse did anybody give Big T A Chance? Yeah. I went in big T to win. Yes, sir. So bad, like I said before I'm the biggest supporter for The Underdogs. Okay, so I really thought she was gonna win the producers they made it seem like she was going to win. Unfortunately. It wasn't for her this season, but she gave it her all and I was actually pretty impressed with how she did Benny I'm with you man. Like I always root for The Underdogs, you know, that's obviously my thing. I love it and just seeing how evenly matched they were and then seeing both of them just going at it and how long And it was just it was awesome. And I admit I was rooting for Big T to I want us to prove yourself, especially after you know, that little interrogation moment that they had you know, and just her kind of just getting hyped up. And yeah, I'm going to stand up for myself. Let me show him you I wanted to see something out of her specially after that performance. I want to see your stick around so it's a bummer. But again, I don't mind Georgia staying either but it was it was fun to watch. It was great. Yeah, I mean that went on for almost an hour and a half a little over an hour and a half over an hour and a half Big T. Really they did. She was like I'm scared myself right now. I thought she had a chance there size match was good for me. It came down to I mean that was amazing. That was a great battle and thank goodness. It was those two because if it was Big T, and any of the other potential Jenny would have just right man, her legs are tiny and it's and that was a if you had a ton of weight on someone your you got that's an advantage in this with this I do because we Get to know Big T very well and I like Georgia a lot. I wasn't upset that she won because I also thought she is a great competitor. I feel like of course. I love cam. But of course, it's in her advantage to go after a girl with alliances. That's a really good competitor that even your own team wants and likes so I wasn't mad to see Georgia win because I think she deserves it in terms of that. She put up a good fight and one in that she took a beating kind of out of hand for You know this whole your you go and everything and I don't think that Georgia thinks she's Untouchable. It just was presented that way for game. Yeah, here's my final conspiracy for the evening. You notice they wet down. The floor on purpose to start right is raining. Well that so they went down the floor and there was maybe a light mist or a drizzle when it started now, obviously, they went down the floor because it's going to be slippery or it's going to be easier for you know, someone may be to take advantage or to slip in the open Sea Dragon, whatever but by the hour mark It was a downpour and we have to get this thing as stoked as possible. So someone friggin slips. I don't want to be here all that the producers I got kids at home. There's shit all over the house. I gotta change your diapers. Who knows but yeah, they all ran conspiracy your tears. My it's a rank is because I know I'm right. I agree with you Dan because I saw the same thing. I was like by the end of it. You just saw this boys was like is that a producer is that really raining? I looked up at the fire. You know, I looked up I saw Bruce with a bucket and you the sprinklers are on but I mean to you know, just one thing I throw in there just I found very interesting that yes, we've seen Georgia perform very well. We know she can bring it but you know how awesome was also a big T to see how she took it to Georgia, which is obviously a great competitor and you know to see George get pushed to that limit. I'm curious to see what are these other rookies can do. Yeah. I want to see what what's your name? Nicole George's friend. Yeah. I think she's very underestimated and that she Is actually like a beast. I think we have to double-check but I think she was on a major show to where she had to do stuff. Okay, like physical stuff and not sure. Yeah. I looked I looked most of them up and it was mostly they were like love Island. They were mostly on or Jesse. I just don't love show from the from the bridge. What was a Nicole almost British British side. This is a tad bit different. Yeah a little thicker than a lot of Shari. Yeah, that's about most of the time what we're going to skip prediction for tonight just to be don't have enough time if you want to jump the live challenge. And just had real quick. Everyone in the stands was dry. I would love for you guys to write in a conspiracy that you saw this evening on the show something fun like that. And I also like you to comment on the bananas. Sarah situation because I want to know if there are people on team bananas if they really aren't friends are the people that are still like that was hilarious. I liked it. Screw Sarah. I want to know about that too. Interesting. Yeah, nope and some low blows joke. No no. No. I just I don't know. I just wanted to see how that comment on our Anonymous says bananas is hilarious. Yeah, well I want to thank you guys so much for joining us. Let's go down the line. We'll start with David and will return sign out of this joint here has always guys. Thank you so much for hanging out with us. It's been fun. David punk rock Christopher. You can find me at David Christopher on Instagram DPR Kristen or Katie PRC Christopher on Twitter. I believe Pam taken we've got my I don't know my social media either. My name is Pamela Jill gross, but it's Pamela groeschel all across social media again. Thank you guys so much for giving us dirt and information and joining us. We really appreciate it. You guys are like the other voice sitting here with us. So thank you for tuning in and take it away guys. I am Benny Adams. You can follow me on all social media. I've been EJ Adams and tomorrow make sure you catch me on Jersey Shore family vacation after showing after but at AfterBuzz and thank you. Yeah, my name is Daniel Lincoln. You found me at the Dan lingering across the board there. You guys have a great night. Thank you ever so much for joining us challenge. Season 34 you guys next week and night. Good night. 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On the weeks ep. ear plugs are a must when doing challenges. Big T and Georgia spend an hour and a half leaning on a cart but don’t worry the ep. is still fire. Join Disney Dan, Benny the Jet, David Punk Rock and Pammy Pants chatting all things Challenge Season 34!!! About The Challenge After Show: The Challenge, a mix between Real World and Road Rules Challenge, featuring alumni from the past shows as the contestants compete for a cash prize, is such an insane show, we HAVE to talk about it! That's why we have THE CHALLENGE AFTER SHOW! Tune in here for reviews, recaps and in-depth discussions of the latest episodes, as well as the insider scoop from cast and crew members on the show as we go crazy. It's going to get bananas because there's basically a different guest each week! About The Challenge: It's every player for himself in this edition of the long-running reality competition "The Challenge," which for the first time shuns team play and awards a final prize that could exceed $500,000 to one person. The fun begins with 28 cast members -- fan favorites from "The Challenge" joined by contestants from "Big Brother" and stars from MTV UK's "Ex on the Beach" and "Geordie Shore" -- in Spain looking to settle personal vendettas. In a new twist, players who survive grueling elimination rounds are awarded "Grenades," allowing them a chance to get even with anyone in the house with whom they may have a beef. It adds up to a competition spiced with heightened drama, doubt and deception. --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast.

Joining us now on the phone former first-round pick of the Chicago Blackhawks. He scored in his very first NHL game that went on to play 16 seasons in the show us Olympian a former head coach member of the u.s. Hockey Hall of Fame and a member of the 1994 Stanley.Winning New York Rangers and now part of one of the best broadcast Duo's in all sports. Mr. Eddie all check. Eddie how are you Applause? I appreciate that. Thanks for joining us. You recently released a very profound personal and detailed book Eddie olczyk beating the odds and hockey and in life, which I highly recommend everyone please go check out it's available on Amazon and anywhere books are sold and in it you chronicled your battle with stage three colon cancer, which I wanted to say. Congratulations obviously on winning that battle. Have to ask with all you've accomplished and all the great feats in your career and life. What was your mindset like when you got that diagnosis and what made you want to share that story with everyone? Wow, there's a lot there next. So bear with me. I've had opportunities to Chronicle My Life as a young aspiring a comedian kid growing up in the suburbs of Chicago of wanting to become a professional athlete become a little hockey player and you know people telling them my whole life so I wouldn't make it or couldn't make it either because I was a little heavy or I was a kid from Chicago, you know, I was an american-born kid, obviously and you know hockey back in the early 70s was you know, mostly, you know played by Canadians and oh, yeah, I wasn't living in a hockey hotbed in the suburbs of Chicago, but you know, I had a gift I had a great opportunity given to me by my folks and you know, I left home when I was 15 years old to pursue a hockey career and next thing I know I'm playing in a 1984 Olympics as a 17 year old and you know going a year before that I was trying out as a sixteen-year-old. And of course everybody remembers the Miracle on Ice in 1980, but you know, I was trying to make the team in 1984 and follow the footsteps of that gold medal team in Lake Placid in 1980. And you know, everybody told me I would never make it because I was 16 and lucky enough and Had opportunity to prove myself and made the team and the plate is a 17 year old in the Olympics in Yugoslavia and see Revo in 1984. And and then as you mentioned I get drafted in the first round, but by my hometown team the Black Hawks and played a long time in the National Hockey League and You know, I think there's a lot there when I had the opportunities to write a book or at least Chronicle the things that I had to overcome in order to get to where I wanted to get to and being a broadcaster as you mentioned working with the great. Dr. Emerich on the NHL and NBC for 14 years. I just was hesitant. I was like, you know, there's it just didn't think there was anything there and then on August the 4th 2017 Pretty much got the call that changed my life. My family's life. And even the people around me when I was diagnosed with stage 3 colon cancer after having a surgery and removing 14 inches of my colon and a tumor the size of my fist them sending it out and telling me that I was sick and they were recommending six months of chemotherapy and you know, just pushing ahead a little bit into that battle. I thought at that time I thought well now here's no pun intended. But this is the final chapter of the book. Wow, like this is going to be the heart in the meat of my story of, you know, growing up as a young kid in Chicago, and then all of a sudden this phone call comes at 7:07 p.m. On August the 4th of 2017 and the last about 30 seconds from my my surgeon, dr. Scott Strong in Chicago at Northwestern Hospital, and he's telling me You're sick. We're recommending six months of chemo and we'll reevaluate after the six months. And when I hung up that phone the first thing I thought of was, okay. Well, how long do I have is you know, what am I going to die? And like I said pushing ahead. I thought well, here's an opportunity to Chronicle my journey through getting sick and then take any chemotherapy. Maybe this is the opportunity to help one person. So the 16 months that I had pen to paper with my co-author Perry left go who I've known since the late 1980s. I thought if I could help one person either get through the day bring hope to them give them inspiration be as truthful and is transparent and as honest as I could especially in my chemo battle and my cancer battle that it was well worth the 16 months. Depend on paper to you know to Chronicle in the put down, you know my life story and you know, it's more than just my battle about cancer. And like I said, I was bullied as a young kid. I mean I you know when I was getting ready to turn pro, I mean I had a coach say publicly that you know, will Eddie olczyk. I'll have a good NHL career if he doesn't eat his way out of the NHL why I asked the question what's wrong with a hungry hockey player? What's wrong with a Hungry Wolf? Playwright aqi man that like you want that but in today's society if Ami doing television as I do for NBC and hockey and horse racing coverage, but you know if I would or anybody if anybody would you know zero in on anybody's weight or appearance or you know, it's taken one way. I mean, there's a pretty good chance that you know, I would lose my job. I mean that's just the world that we live in so I had to overcome that Obstacle of be made fun of or bullied. Ali and so I just think that for me when I got sick of going through it, I just thought maybe here's a chance to tie it all in and I'm very proud of the initiative. I'm very proud of the reception that it has gotten and again, like I said if I can just help one person get through the day then it was well worth the effort of doing a book. That's absolutely incredible in staggering in the same breath. I mean what a journey and you really are true inspiration. Like I said, it's not just hype. Really you and Doc make fantastic Duo and you bring the game to everyone's TV set and into their homes and you make it so easy you communicate it so well for everyone your beloved by a lot of people, you know, a lot of people who are in your position get bashed regularly and I think you guys are some of the most beloved to ever do it. And I don't I don't believe that thank you. Let's pivot a little bit. I want to talk about you used to play for the Blackhawks you do TV work for them and you've seen the Run the Patrick Kane on has been recently obviously becoming the highest scoring american-born player. What's it like covering that guy in your own Hometown to watch him do what he's done in a sport that's been dominated by Canadians and Europeans and Russians for so long and at this point you consider him the greatest american-born player ever. Well, you know what that that debate has been been ongoing here for the last couple of years with a look at what Patrick Kane's been able to do not only individual. Which is, you know, obviously a big part of it, but when you look at what he's done team-wise, I mean, he's won three championships. He's won three Stanley Cups. I mean, he's been MVP of the playoffs. He's led the league in scoring. He you know, he just attained as you mentioned a thousand points being the 90th player in NHL history to attain that Milestone. I believe he's the fourth player in Blackhawk history the long history of the Blackhawks become a thousand points score. So, So when you look at all of that, you know for me and I'm showing my my age and by strikes I've always said that Chris Chelios a Chicago guy. Yeah a guy that played a million years in the NHL played in every era one cops one enormous trophy couple of North trophies Olympic gold medal all of that and playing as long as he did I think 22 years in the NHL. If I'm not mistaken Kelly to me is the greatest american-born player right now Patrick Kane is in the rearview mirror and he is right on the heels of Chris Chelios of my opinion if his career would end anytime soon. I would be hard-pressed to not say that Patrick Kane is and will be the greatest American Forum player ever to play in the National Hockey. Hockey league and when you look at what he's been able to do individually team-wise nationally, I just think that it builds extremely. Well, obviously for USA Hockey an american-born hockey players aspiring to be in the NHL, but I would not argue anybody to say right now, you know that that caner is is better than jelly that you know the greatest American Born hockey player. Look. You could make a list of top 10 american-born players and look at you could talk about Mike Modano and Pad LaFontaine and Brian leetch and Mike Richter Joey Mullen. I mean, you know, like Keith could chuck. I mean I could fill Housley and I could see her go on and on and if you great the bank to have from ten to one, you know the different eras and you know, the type of player that you know would be in that top 10, but Patrick Kane is Is ascending to the top of that mountain that's that's some high that's some rare in my opinion when you're talking about comparing him to a guy like Chris Chelios. Oh, no, there's still a lot of chapters to be written in that book for Patrick Kane. But in my mind there is no doubt that you know, it's one in one a right now. And yes and it gets some point I do believe is that he will you know, he he will be at the top of the mountain and be the greatest. Merc more player ever to play in the National Hockey League well said in very fair of you to pick defenseman over forward Acuity got but wait for we all know we all know and they just for full disclosure for some people that are listening in as yes, I was a Ford and I do carry the union card for all forwards and all eras of the National Hockey League and we do know that forwards are smarter than defensive. So I just want to make sure that I get that out there but look at fair and balanced fair and balanced. That's that's the type of country we live in so I do continue to to get to my knees and and an honor the The Legend of Chris. Chelios will go on and off the ice and know that he is a deem an impurity. Teddy you take you here? Hey, we had a debate on here yesterday about goal scorers with what Alexander Ovechkin has been able to accomplish so far. Is there an argument? Is there a debate that he's the greatest goal scorer in this league is seen well right now, there's no hesitation. I mean we talk about our generation AQ. I mean when you look back at the last 30 30 years without a doubt would be when you look at the body of work Wayne Gretzky, you know Mario Lemieux Mike bossy. I look at those guys and go those guys are pretty salty. You know, I mean, I played against all three of those guys, unfortunately for Mike bossy. He had back injuries and wasn't able to really, you know, get up in that that rarefied air as I mentioned a little bit earlier, but it like a Wayne Gretzky to this point the numbers bear it out. Right? I mean, he's up there just short of 900 in his career. I think I believe 892 and OV Look, I mean he he is he's in the neighborhood and if he could stay healthy why not. You know, why why couldn't he be within 50 goals of the great one and look to take down that almost. Record that record that used to the sun almost with never be passed right like for me of being a hockey lifer and and having played against Gretzky and looking at the not really it was guys got a he's got thousand records. I mean is just amazing of everything stunning. Look at that 892 like I mean the point I don't think he has to worry about the points record. I mean look at think about it. He has more assist. Then anybody is ever had points. It's the NHL like let's think about that for a second like you're talking about domination. I mean, that's that's MJ. That's Michael Jordan. I mean that that is you know, like that is just flat-out incredible. But when you look at ol V and being shy of 700 and looking at that number is contracts up after next year. I don't think there's any doubt he's going to be in Washington, you know, if you do the math if he can play another five years. An average that number of that, you know 35 to 40. Why not now? Look he's going to look he's going to need some luck on his side right Father Time make you you know, this father time is not defeated. Right and he's going to be able to stay healthy. He's going to need to stay healthy. He's going to need a bit a little bit of luck. And he's going to need to continue to have those great players around them and they closed Backstrom was just reciting recently for five years. So he's not going anywhere but look, I would not argue. If anybody said look it he's the greatest goal scorer we've ever seen in the National Hockey League. I'd say well, you know what? I think Wayne Gretzky is but he's you know, he's in the team photo and that and that photos probably got about three or four guys and hope he's moved right in there. So it'll it'll be great. It'll be great theater to watch like to see him close in and again need some luck and the stay healthy and if he can do that why not and that's been my response when people have asked me that question is, you know, like you think he could do it and absolutely because look at the game is wait. Now Nick and AQ. It's way different now than it was 15 years ago and obviously in the era of Wayne Gretzky and Mario Lemieux. It's it's cater to offense what the National Football League AQ, you know that it's cater to offense baseball cater to offense. Would you look at all the rules the NBA catering to offense? So I look at a guy like Ovechkin who loves to score can still shoot the puck as well as anybody. The momentum he's in the carpool lane and he's got an incredible opportunity here and with a little bit of luck and health. Why not? Why can't he get to 893 and and break that record but that's just incredible to even think that he's he's on the verge of doing that if everything kind of works out here in the next four or five years. That's a great analogy in the carpool. And I love that Ed's. Oh, I got to ask a queue and I are both Pittsburgh guys. You mentioned Mario Lemieux. We're both born and raised in Pittsburgh guys you Sometime there as a coach you played for and against Lemieux. I've heard some things that maybe you were maybe you were jaded with the way things happen. I tend not to believe it. You seem like a great guy. So I want to get to the bottom of a couple things if you could touch on your time in Pittsburgh, and also is it true that my client was the one that gave you the nickname Ed's? Oh, I'll work my way backwards off the questions my clang did not give me my nickname at so it was my former teammate with the LA. Kings and former Pittsburgh Penguins, Kevin Stevens gave me that our deck in the backyard with Louise gave me that back in 1996 when we were playing together with the with the LA Kings Nick my time in the Burgh. I mean, I spent almost three years as a player there. I spent three years as a broadcaster working with the legendary Hall of Famer the great my claim my first my first partner in the TV business back in 2002 to 2003. Then I got the opportunity. I should say. I wanted to get into coaching and I went in for an interview to coach the minor league team in Wilkes-Barre Scranton American Hockey League and the interview went well and instead of interviewing for the minor league job. I got asked to coach the the big Club in Pittsburgh because we were in a middle of a team was in the middle of a rebuild and they were going to blow it up and start from scratch and try to hit some home runs in the draft and oh yeah, by the way, we had a few home runs. Runs with Marc-Andre flurry first overall is getting milk and second overall and the lottery and got Sid. So back-to-back picks. We back-to-back-to-back pics when you think about flurry Balkan and said and that's that's the way you draw it up in your meetings when you sit there and go, you know, we're gonna you know, we're going to blow it up and you know, we're in for some financial distress and we need to start over and that's what you need and we did it and look to get that opportunity. Never trade it in for anything in the world. I mean I enjoyed it immensely. Look was I disappointed that I got fired? Yeah. Absolutely. I mean look at you get traded you get fired you get released from a look at you're always going to be upset and wish things might of opportunities maybe would have presented themselves a little differently or maybe you know things happen. But you know, I look at I have the utmost respect for Mario. We were drafted in the same year in 84 got a chance to play with them when I was in the Burgh had a chance to coach her. When I was there coaching his team and they have the utmost respect for the Penguins and but look at I enjoyed myself and I think it made me a better hockey guy maybe a better broadcaster and I enjoyed my time in Pittsburgh very very much and will always feel part of that the olczyk family has and in the city of Pittsburgh and representing the Pittsburgh Penguins. Yeah. Well as a fan during that time I can admit there were some tough times there, but I just hopefully, you know, I speak for the fan base here. I'm trying to at least You are you are one of the best of the best guys to do it. It was a pleasure to watch you behind the bench, even though we didn't get the success we wanted but it also doesn't lie on the radio. You were great. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks. Yeah, Daddy. So always have a huge amount of respect for guys who broadcast them all across multiple Sports Joe Buck yourself. I think it's obviously so hard and all the research you have to do going back and forth and what you have to you can't really miss Abby going on are so I know we're pivoting here, but How hard is it to go from a hockey game one day to call in a horse race the next WoW horse racing through I have been since I was 12 years old as a kid growing up in Chicago and going to the track and it's it's always been a release I chose to live my life a certain way when I was a young kid and grew up and still to this day. I mean, I'm not a drinker. I've never drank alcohol and only drink alcohol three times in my life on purpose once when I was seven years old sitting on my dad's lap one thing was having a beer and you know, you get inquisitive as a young kid and spit all over him. He still pissed off at me for doing that I drank from the Stanley Cup is Nick intro'd me the greatest achievement that I had in my hockey career of being a small part of a team that won the Stanley Cup in 1994 with the Rangers. I get a chance to drink from the Stanley Cup and Then a year and a half ago. My oldest son Eddie got married on August the 4th of 2018 oddly enough one year to the day that I was diagnosed with stage 3 colon cancer and I drank it as wedding. So, you know, I just never drank I chose not to do that. I didn't smoke no drugs nothing. But yeah, I gambled on horses. Yeah that that was and it's always been a passion of mine and look my boss at NBC Sam flood gave Opportunity I guess going on five years ago and after me and I tell the story in the book, but I actually got my start in television believe it or not was in horse racing. So quick story. So back in 94, we win the Stanley Cup with the Rangers. Yeah, when I got the Stanley Cup, I had a private party at The Meadowlands Racetrack in East Rutherford, New Jersey right across from the York City obviously has some friends there. We went to the track brought the cup with us there and then the next day I brought at the Belmont Park. And celebrated with the Ranger fans there at Belmont and and what have you so the next season there was a work stoppage. So we went to training camp. We played exhibition games and then there was a work stoppage, you know labor, you know disagreement between the league the NHL and the Players Association. So there was a lock out there was no hockey. So the people at The Meadowlands Racetrack called me up and said hey, you know, You know, you're like the horses, you know, we like hockey what's better than hockey and horse hockey and horses, you know pucks and ponies. I mean what's better than that and they said well, you know, why don't you come to the track, you know three four days a week and you can be our in-house handicapper. So meaning it all the races will set up the races when the horses are in a paddock warm it up and then, you know, we'll handicap on TV and you could give your pics and you know, I'm like, holy cow and I said look, you know will We'll pay you will pay 800 a nighttime like never going to pay me to come to the racetrack up. This is a hell of a deal here. I'm like, well, they probably know which is going to go right back into the windows anyway, so I mean, you know, so I actually got my start in television in horse racing back in the fall of 94. So I did that for about three months and then we went back to playing hockey. So push it Forward. I got fired in Pittsburgh and Christmas of o5 and then my boss to this. Sam flood hired me at NBC for the NHL on NBC back in early of 2006 and for about I'll say probably from about 20 probably like twenty eleven. So I didn't say anything for about four or five years, right? Like I just thought you know, I'm not going to mention anything about the horse race because at that time NBC had the Triple Crown coverage and did some horse racing on NBC and I you know, I always thought oh man, maybe I should put my plums. On the table and you know asked my boss if there's any opportunity, I don't want to take anybody's job. I don't I just, you know, let them know I have interest so from about 2011 and again I talked about this in the book from about 21 2014. I would ask my boss Sam once a year, you know. Hey Sam, you know, I just I don't have this opportunity and I get the - ooh I get the highest don't even think about it. You know and I'm like, you know, I think this appointed I'm like whatever but again, I'm a horse racing guy. I'm playing the I'm playing the ponies all the time doesn't matter. That's just that's my love and my passion so one day back and 14. I just figured I would spill my guts to Sam and just tell them say, hey look like I don't know. If you don't this I told them the story about me working at the track during the lockout with the Rangers and 94 in the fall of 94. I just said look, I promise you if you give me a chance, I don't want anybody's job. Job, just I don't you don't have to paint. You don't have to do that. You'd have to pay me. Don't they? Just give me a chance? I won't let you down and there was that slight hesitation. And he was like, let me think about it. I'm like I shot a shot Let's Go Robin shot. It's gonna get a shot. Right? So sure enough. This is like I'm going to say it was like maybe January of 15 or 14 hours. Yeah, January of 14 if I'm not mistaken. So he says, okay, let me think about it. So then I get a call. I remember actually in st. Louis right now getting ready for the NHL All-Star Weekend here with the skills on Friday night NHL game on NBC at 8:00 Eastern on Saturday night and I'm in st. Louis and my phone rings. I'm on my way to a playoff game. I think was Blackhawks Blues and I look at my phone and it says Sam cell and I'm like, oh shit. What did I say that? What did I did? I say something wrong, you know like it because he really thought you would never call me like that. I'm like What's going on? And he just said as oh, I just want to let you know we're going to give you a chance after the Triple Crown. We got a couple of shows in the summer. We're going to give you a chance to do some horse racing. I'm like Sam I won't let you down. I was like it was like the call. I've been hoping for for you know for like a hundred years. It was like, oh my gosh. I'm going to get a chance. So I get into the summer I go to Santa Anita my first show we have to pick two races one's a Turf race and in one's the big A big stake race first race I pick at a pickup ten-to-one shot name of the horse was she's a smoke show. I got on TV. I gave a ten-to-one shot. She wins and then the next race was a big steak. Grace was only a five or six horse field. I picked a fifteen to one shot. I think it was golden Harbert Harbor Town golden Town Harbour something like that. I forget what the name of the horse was, but it's 15 to 1. I get on national TV and I pick a 15 to 1 and lo and behold they both win. So my first two picks and if anybody knows anything about horse racing or odds or anything 10 to 1 in 15 to 1 on my first two picks on National Television, you can know how happy I was at how happy my boss was another own real. So that's how I got into it really and then, you know, I've made this obviously I've had this opportunity and make this life and broadcasting so I know I'm finally getting to your heart. Your question take you but that's how I got that's how I got into television and for me, I think doing the horse race racing his made me a better hockey broadcaster. There's a great challenge in the horse racing part of it. It takes courage to go on television and not pick the favorite to sit there and go. Well, you know, you have the Patriots are going to win the Patriots are going to win the Patriots going to win every game and you got a pretty good chance that they're going to win the game but to have some courage and go you know, what? You know II think Tennessee is going to be able to go there and put a spanking on you know, like I mean and the same in horse racing to go up there and say look and have conviction and look you're gonna have horses that run well and you can have horses run horse horses that run dead last. So for me, it's always been a love and a passion and that's how I look at it. And yeah, it's hard. It's hard work to go back from you know back and forth, you know member couple of years ago. I mean, even though the last couple of years I go from a hockey game the Stan Cup final game one night and then do the Belmont the next night or you know do a do the All-Star game one night and then do a big race at Gulfstream that afternoon so it's I feel lucky I feel blessed but I think it's made me a better broadcaster and very very proud of that and very honored and humbled at NBC would allow me to do to work on two of their bigger properties, you know on the network besides Sunday night, you know football night in America. I'm so A night on NBC amazing. So cool, Eddie Money cleaning up at the track first shift in the NHL first game first goal to calls on national TV long shots. That's incredible Eddie. We got one more question here from where are our resident Canadian friend here on social media Forrest Gump company got Freddie. Hey, I need just to go back to winning the Stanley Cup with the Rangers against the Vancouver Canucks. That was kind of when Pavel Bure was at his Peak and I just remember how fast he was on the ice watching. I'm just curious how fast he was. Actually when you were on the ice with a yeah, I mean that like I said, I had a very small role on that team. I played one game in a playoff career after we played in the Conference finals against New Jersey the famous game when Mark Messier predicted that we would win the game after being down the series 3 games to 2. I actually played in game 6 in New Jersey and we were down early in that game that might have been the greatest goaltending performance. I ever saw from any goalie in any one game but Mike Richter we were down to two nothing and that Game late in the second period it could have been five nothing. Ricky played apps. I mean it was absolutely incredible and Alexei kovalev scored late in the 2nd the mess scored three goals in the third and the rest is history and then we went on to play Vancouver. So I did not play in a Stanley Cup Final but playing against Pavel Bure for many years. He had that incredible ability to go from 15 or 20 miles an hour or two. 50, you know, like he it didn't take them very long to just absolutely pull away and I use the phrase of you know separation on skates and he had that incredible ability and like I was a I was a Clydesdale back in the day. I had you know, I had no chance at keeping up with a guy like Pavel Bure unless I had a stick in his midsection or what have you but he just could I mean look at yeah, he could skate. Eight, I mean and he just that was the one thing that impressed me is that he and when he got the puck on his stick it almost would seem to accelerate and I think that's what made him such a incredible player is just that first step and then once he got the puck on a stick he was gone and look he wasn't a very big guy, but I mean he had some he had some girth to him like he was sick. He was he had some bite to him. He had some Jam to him and unfortunately for him he you know, he Broke down towards the end of his career. But yeah, he was he's a pretty talented player. That's for sure. Any one last question, my name is digs. I host a betting show here. I know it's a while to the derby. I don't even know if there's any events in the in the near future. Do we have any winners? We having horse winners that you give out. Where did Jenna it's already we all right. We're here. What else are you? I am not you guys got to tell me. When are we when we run? When is this going to have to the the to the to the people that's going to hit the mass. This will be next week like Tuesday or Wednesday? Probably. Okay good, so I was going to give a horse off. It's Saturday, so I better not do that. So, that's probably that's probably a good thing. You know, what right off the top of my head. I don't I wouldn't want to give out anything because I just don't know when a particular horse might be running or where a horse might be running, but if you guys want to have me on I'll make a deal with you. If you want to have me on prior to the Triple Crown right before the Kentucky Derby if you want to maybe we can talk a little bit about Couple of races on Derby on Derby Day or on Oaks day the day before the Kentucky Derby we could certainly figure that out. But you know what love to be able to join you guys again right before Triple Crown thought that would be awesome mezzo. Thank you for that and we'll take you up on that bet we'll do is we'll have you before the Triple Crown events will have you come back and jump on our bosses show up at McAfee on Westwood one's got a nationally syndicated radio show so we can get you on there and get you out to the people and make sure they get some winners from you. Be happy to and guys. Thanks again for helping me. Help me promote the book to like I said my goal with my book is if I could help one Inspire one person out there to just help them get through the battle and it doesn't have to be cancer. I mean, it could be any battle. I think there's a lot of to add lot there. I think it's for any age man or woman athlete non-athlete. I think it could be very relatable. Obviously the people are in a cancer battle or know people that have battled my wife. I want people to know how important to caretakers and caregivers are my wife was there every step of the way I never saw her we can never saw her down. I was at my lowest I wanted to quit when I was in treatment to my side effects brought me to my knees neuropathy nosebleeds blood clot headaches vomiting just going to the bathroom without having any control and I was I was ready to quit and I I was thinking well, how am I going to get through this treatment let alone get to another 10 and I told my wife I quit and I've never quit anything in my life whether it was hockey playing coaching being at the track being down $25. Okay, $2,500 on I wasn't quit like I'm never quit an ending my life, but I was ready to quit and my wife gave me the greatest inspirational. That I had in my life and the one thing I'm most proud of and I talked about this in a book. My greatest achievement is my family my wife my four kids my circle. We all have one and I tell people I always hope that you laugh and love a little bit more after reading the book and my wife told me and she just looked at me when I was ready to quit and she just said and I was hurting I was scared and I'm not embarrassed to say that my wife said to me says you have to fight you have to fight for me. You have to fight for our kids and you have to fight for all the people that love you and we had a moment and it lasted probably about 30 minutes and all I did was cry because I was in pain and I was scared and I wanted to get through I wanted the cliff notes version of the chemotherapy and get me right through to treatment 12, but I needed that and then I got back my hockey helmet on and said, okay. I'm going to go day-to-day because guys look we're all day to day in the big picture right like draw. All day to day like tomorrow is not guaranteed and I needed that for my wife and I want people out there to make sure not only looking after the people that are in the battle but also those caretakers and caregivers because like I said, I never saw my wife leak, I never saw her down around me but I sure as hell know is that when she was away from me and had her quiet time is that she let her guard down and was worried about me and we have to make sure that we're looking after the caretakers and caregivers out there. And that's something my wife and I have taken a big act upon ourselves to make sure that we let people know that hey we got to make sure we're looking out there after the caretakers and caregivers. Not only the people that are in the home but also the medical staff. I was very lucky. I had an incredible team led by dr. Michael Terry of the Chicago Blackhawks and I feel very lucky and blessed and hopefully that somebody that reads my book or heard me on with you guys today and I thank you very much for having me if they know my story that I made. Difference because I think that this is my purpose in life now is to help Inspire somebody out there in some form or fashion. And if I can do that, then it was well worth the initiative of doing the book. So I appreciate you guys having me on your show. That's a that's wrongful stuff. We can't thank you enough for taking the time to come on with us. We know we're going to do fifteen minutes. I think we've gone for like 40 here. You've been absolutely incredible and gracious. We just want to say we wish you the best continued success to you and your family as well. Looking forward to watching you down the stretch run and into the playoffs here and then One more thing if you just say hi to your son Tommy for us who we met. Well, he's playing the ND fuel our boss bat McAfee went and got in goal for them for a practice and he took a bomb and he hit that right in the nuts so hard it was one of the funniest things we've ever seen. So shout out to Tommy and I hope all will do that Nick, and I found me studying for a CPA in Chicago and he hung them up last year playing hockey after being a Penn State for four years being on the first Division 1 men's ice hockey team at Penn State to thank you, too. Then Terry pegula the owners of the bills and the Buffalo Sabres the National Hockey League and he's looking to get into the real world and I will definitely let him know that and hopefully hopefully Pat was a gelding before my show. That's all I'm gonna say. Yeah, he bounced back. He took it like a champ, but everyone again, please give it up for the great Eddie olczyk Ed's. Oh, thank you so much. Okay guys. Thanks, and we'll talk to you around the Triple Crown. Thanks Rob. Have a good one. Great. Thanks.

The boys interview the NHL's lead color commentator and one of the best broadcasters and in all of sports Mr. Eddie Olczyk. Edzo is a former 1st round pick of the Chicago Blackhawks, who scored in his very 1st NHL game, then went on to play 16 seasons in the NHL, a US olympian, former head coach, a member of the US Hockey Hall of fame and a member of the 1994 Stanley Cup winning New York Rangers. Edzo recently released a very personal and detailed book “Eddie Olczyk: Beating the Odds in Hockey and in Life" available on amazon and anywhere books are sold. From shooting hundreds of tennis balls at a goal in his childhood living room to the ups and downs of his improbable hockey career to rollicking stories from the booth and the backstretch, Olczyk guides readers on his journey toward his ultimate test: a battle against Stage 3 colon cancer. For years, Olczyk's goal was to be the best husband, father, broadcaster, and handicapper he could be. Today he has a new one: to bring as much awareness and support to those fighting cancer as he possibly can. In this emotional but often hilarious autobiography, you'll learn why the people who know Eddie Olczyk best might describe him as "tremendously tremendous."

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In the podcast after a long time of no advertisements. So while this might be slightly annoying for you to have to listen to and maybe contemplate skipping. I just want to let you know that we're able to find this podcast through the partners we source and secure and abling us to bring you these incredible women and this awesome podcast, so, please keep listening and supporting and sharing and I hope you stay inspired. We are celebrating our one-year anniversary and with that we want to invite a lucky listener into the studio with us. So if you can on your stories tag at RM super women and at Rebecca Minkoff a screenshot that you've downloaded that you're sharing the episodes that you're just telling anyone about the podcast that enters you you must live in New York City or want to fly here and we'll pick you out of the crowds. You can come watch a podcast happen in real life. Today's guest on superwomen is Laura Brown currently the editor-in-chief of InStyle magazine. I think in style magazine is known throughout the entire universe as one of the most Incredible fashion magazines. There is before that she was at Harpers Bazaar and what I love about Laura is she's strong. She's powerful and man she gets what she wants and to top it off. She's really really really funny and I love her sense of humor. Take a listen to Laura Brown on super women. So this is a one off because we're in Laura Brown's office the editor-in-chief of inside. So am I yes, yes, you're here where all the magic happens. I'm looking at us a cover. ER of Miss Aniston, which is gorgeous. Yes. I'm well, I'm staring at six covers of Jennifer Aniston and one cover of Megan Rapinoe and Sue bird. So it's for the beauty issue and it's the I just think it's the most perfect mix of ladies so which is what I try to do the old in style. So yes is of Tobar issue and then we have to do November and then December and in January and February and we just have to keep doing it. It's a lot. It's exhausting. Can we go back to when you were young a young lady? Always young lady. Yes, and I was much of a lady but I was certainly young. Can you start telling me what made you want to get into magazines? Yes, I always say delusions of grandeur. So you thought you were going to be in the limo not everything that it was like more just like I wanted to be no. I didn't want to like, you know, when I was like nine years, I didn't know there was such a thing as a Hamptons house or anything. But like I wanted to be in it. I wanted to be like where the fashion was happening and where the glamour was and where the movies were and and it was because I was brought up in Australia and in Australia when I was a kid, which was like kind of, you know lates early 80s wouldn't have internet wouldn't have anything and so everything was sort of happening somewhere else and that's a blessing on the coast of Australia. You know it especially what's changed obviously completely now with internet social media and everything else, but it was so I was sort of hungry for an experience would be close to things that I found glamorous, I guess and not going to click again a cliche glamour, I think I was being able to see something with your own eyes when it sort of happened and see creativity kind of manifest itself on a big stage and we just didn't really have that. So for me, it was just like I've got a I've got to be part of it. So I would get all the magazines. I'd buy all the voges and the Harper's Bazaar is that would you know, which came in like three months late to Australia then and I'm just was obsessed with the most models and all of that are like early. Jeez. Hang on the early W magazine. We didn't really get in style down there that I remember anyway, but that was no one no install started. I was in my last year of college. So I didn't I wasn't quite in that like dreamy childhood idea of in style, but I just and I'd read them and I would just sort of go away in my head to whatever this place is now this to this glamorous office. So you moved when how old were you when you moved moved to New York? Yeah I moved so I went I did a stint in London for like two years came back and then I moved to London what? Right New York, and I was 27. Okay, and I moved here on telling her Nana Nana Nana September the 4th 2001. Thank you. Thank you master of strategy here. My first fashion show was September 10th 2001 you of your own my first I was like a group show. Oh my God. Yeah, so I feel your sister and I remember because I was at hustled my way some of my friend Libby Callaway. She was the editor fashioned out of the New York Post at the time and she's kind of taken me and we met in the street. Leah and we went to the Marc Jacobs show on the 10th night and it was I just remembered it was like this sort of like dionysian feet was the most incredible like Fashion Show on this pier and these walls came apart and I was just ho Greek like it was just the most luxurious amazing thing I've ever seen. I remember just like seeing like that Arquette or something. I just was beside myself and I'm at this my my I'm here. I'm in New York, and I'm in the fashion show of fashion shows, and I've had a bit of champagne and I'm wobbling around. And I was like I got it and then the next morning I know you know sober. Yeah, so but I never wanted to look again lucky enough. I didn't lose anyone was not you know, I cannot complain about anything, you know, I cannot mention any of that but I just arrived my poor mother was like because you know her obviously horrendous it was on TV from Australia look like World War 3. Oh, yeah, you know and my mom was like get your bags are still packed. You can come home and I was like I'm liking gristedes like buying some tuna. Hi, I'm like, no, I'm here now, but I never wanted to never wanted to go I just was in it, you know and had you already started working in magazines at that point. Are you just moved and I just you're going to see no wasn't magazines before I get started in magazines a home. I was too worried about yeah, that's six years. I had been since I spent 22 years in Australia two years and two years issue in London two years back in Australia then here so I had a bit of moved to because I had some like it's like a foreign journalist Visa. It's called lagoo you Do work from outside the country. I'll let you come to the country if your work is from Australia or Canada. So I did that until I got my first sponsorship which was for w magazine W magazine hired me as a senior editor in 2002 I think and they have a grateful to them because they made an honest woman of me. I mean like Jesus I think about people who need to get like working visas now with this Administration. It's so terrifying well, so I'm very glad that I was earlier and yeah, so I then I just kind of just Got going. I worked it now before wo worked up like freelance for talk magazine for like six weeks until that closed down. It was just was like what the first few months were just like a dream sequence. I was like that have that happen. That wasn't very good. Was it like just over again? And I used to have a roommate on Saint Mark's Place who who were like in a double level apartment and she had to like walk up stairs sure to walk through my room to go to the bathroom. I mean as a things we do. Yeah, I walk to my friends bedroom. Get to the bathroom and what you know, she was still a virgin. I remember the first time she was losing her virginity and I'd like you to walk through I like held it as long as I could but I was like girlfriend. I gotta pee it was really just stopped. Yes, and I was like, sorry. Sorry. Sorry that I put it off. Well, we things we do a big city you guys mmm so you obviously see on your Instagram. Yes, everything the Glamorous side of this job. I would love to hear we would love. Love to hear the not glamorous side. The this is hard. I think you know what's interesting is in a weird way. It's somewhere in the middle because the people I would say if all the fancy people the shiny people I call them if they're all ducks on a pond right. I've always been able likely sort of see the legs moving like to see what you know, every person I know who's a celebrity has had something happen to them. Of course, like they've had married your fertility or body issues or And will that give started I mean, there's always something that I look at and I go I have a lot of respect and love for a lot of people that I've met and work with but I don't envy anyone. I think that's important that I want to put out there more. It's not necessarily like this is glamorous and amazing and wowie wowie. There you go and put their their clothes on for a red carpet and they got to make sure they look cute in their dress and then they get bombarded by questions and they get off the red carpet and they go and promote all this stuff and they get paid a lot of money great. They get free stuff great. Have a nice house great like it followed everywhere. They go forever. I wouldn't say that super great. So I think that that part but yeah. No, I think that that's a the doing of the work of putting a magazine together is it's a lot of work and especially when when you Propel it you are the editor and chief you are a producer but you also are also a host kind of it's like you're going to make it happen, but you also got to be like, this is the greatest you're on. Oh, yeah and the day you see A lot. Yeah. I mean I go to bed for like if there's an eight hours on the clock I will weep and open the way but I will because I'm I sort of hurtle around I have this sort of idea that I can't do it all the time. But if you show up for me I shot for you and especially we just had our 25th anniversary issue come up for September and I asked a bunch of former cover stars to do a shoot do it sitting for us in an interview and and 15 of them said yes, which is beyond. And and I was a fight. Okay, if you are going to do that for me, I'm going to interview each and every one of you so I was like like an octopus being like Cameron Diaz Kerry Washington Reese. No, no Michelle Pfeiffer immigrant. What have you learned? Have you changed? Okay, thank you. Anyway next one, you know what I mean? But it was like I have to do that because and Reese was like you're mad like interviewing or and I was like, yeah, but I mean she can talk she works her ass off to you know, so that that's really important to me and I'm also in a constant state of sort of over-excitement like like if I want to you know, I mean Soon as I can after the soccer after World Cup, I was like Megan Rapinoe is unbelievable. And I was you know learning about Sue and I was like, I want to get those guys for the beauty issue for all the reasons that that is beautiful. And so for them to say yes, and we just then we hustle we go. Okay, we got to do this in Seattle in 8 days and we all go and we do it and it comes back and we're just so probably like because you've got to be reactive right and I think a lot of other folks in this industry aren't particularly and that's fine. I find it very weird. You can't just like Like yeah, you got it. You got it. You got to hustle a little bit. But yeah, and then I'm also like you know, somebody says yes to who has been a hero of mine in the magazine. I'm just so excited. I'm like I've got I've got to go. Yeah, but I go to the shoot on of my gosh. I can't go everywhere because of my just health over there either any personal like you might want to but it's I do and when you do something great you can surf on that for weeks. Like when we were putting together the anniversary of showing did this thing called 25 dresses or it's called iconic, but we call it 25 dress. Which was taking some of the most famous red carpet dresses of the last 25 years. I was able to make that interesting and like modern we wanting to put on models now and put them in streets and and do that as the film was coming and we were all just like like we just knew I was good. Yeah, we just knew it was good and we were like and I that old-fashioned pleasure of like printing out your layouts and looking at them on the floor or like mixing them around or getting out a pair of scissors. You know, I like making an image or changing an image. It's it's so old-fashioned and it's so wonderful and is also what actually will help everybody survived, you know is actually the old-fashioned things telling a story creating an image putting it out there. It's not about your SEO or you're a digital acronym XYZ. That's all fine. But if you don't have have the idea and you don't have that little then, you know, no we're totally yeah nowhere. So I feel very very strongly about that and I actually said that I was profiled for Australian magazine and the writer put it really well. She said print is the queen and digital's the carriage she rides on I thought that was really absolutely true. So I was like, I really love to make magazines and I also say what's Instagram. It's a magazine guys write like a you know, it's not when I first got home my old bosses at timing that you can't call a magazine your to call it a brown. I'm like dudes. It's a magazine. It's the magazine. It's alright a magazine can be literally on your phone. Or I can be sitting on my desk doesn't matter, right? You know a brand or a sounds like like you're going to put slap in style on the side some sunglasses. Yeah, cuz it doesn't sound as personal doesn't sound as as sort of invested, right? You know what I mean? Like, what is your brand out? Like, I don't really like, you know, I just always find that the most one of the least human hmm word so I try not to going. Oh, that's my phone. It makes a weird noise. It's gonna hang up, you know, if it's Oprah we can we can talk to her. I'm even know I would be okay. I screen Oprah often if yeah. She's See it so when you make the jump yes from Harpers to hear. What was that phone call like or what? Was that even approaching me or me leaving both? Okay. I was I was at that's a big jump. Yeah for many reasons. I had always by the time I was as executive editor bizarre. So me and Glenda were, you know, quite thick as thieves and I was still coming all these crazy ideas and doing all these portfolios and there was a lot of jobs within the time I was there and then I got a call from um head of HR at timing and then right after that are around that time REO foxman resigned left and I was like, I don't know what she was calling me back then when he resigned I went oh interesting and then I ended up going sort of on the cam at mad round of speed dating was just like various timing pooh-bahs. Okay, and so I did all that and then I wrote a memo. What did she's like a memo about what I kind of remember but it was like so I sat in my is what I think in stock could be and actually I said what I boiled down to us like So it actually has the greatest name. It's in style. So take it back to the right like take it back to like if you are in a magazine or in stuff. You read the magazine you're in style. Like it doesn't have to be like Harper's Bazaar is a trickier name Vanity Fair is a tricky and I mean it's fine. They stand for something now, but I was like, let's take this back. Let's distill it. And so I made so anyway, so that was like, let's just you got it. Anyway, I have to give it more. It was very very nice, but it was quite to date, you know and quite quiet and I was like, I'm going to really take it. Button, kick it. So yeah, they hired me and that was I remember when they gave me my offer letter with the old head of HR and Greg June Grande aka the jij who will appreciate this shoutout. It was summer. It was August was three years ago and I just was like and I went and sat we were down here and I went and sat just in the park on the grass with my little wedges and I just went. Oh, okay, and then we It was tricky getting me over here from up there. But anyway I got here and was it hard to tell Glenda being that you were so close, you know, it was crazy. She was away on vacation, which was not how I wanted to do it at all. Yeah, you know and she was in Lake st. Lucia or something. Yeah. I had to call her and like we're really close, you know, and and she just was like brilliant like you're brilliant, you know, and she was actually the that's the most the most gracious of everyone at that company to like, let me go like she was like Like you deserve it. I'm so proud of you. Like you know that she's really proud of like she's really me of me and Christina only all who's the Editor in Chief of wsj Christina and I came up together at bizarre. So sort of the Bailey finishing school really? So yeah, so then I started just about God but three years ago this week, I think here. Wow. I hope you're planning a big party for you. Nah, my party is asleep. No, my father's like my party is not having to go to any parties right now. I just got everybody wildly drunk forever. Celebration of our September issue, so it was great. If you didn't even make it in the next morning. I was so proud. You're like, yeah, I just hassle them orders. Oh, I'm sorry. Can you not make it can I have an update on blossomy anyway, so yeah three days later. So how do you sort of foster Community here or deal with staff or alcohol? No. Um, the I wear is I don't see your outlets on the drawers. It's right behind it. Anyway, I think when I got here, I'm not that sort of person. That is like I call I call it the bfm the bad fashion moving like I don't act like I'm in a bad budget movie. So I wasn't gonna come easy go. I'm bringing in a bunch of cool people and you'll have to get out like I'm not that freaking guy. I'm an only child. I'm a bit of a pleaser at the end of the day. So I just was like, okay guys, I'm gonna do all this cool stuff who wants to do cool stuff and the ones who I loved I call the sunflowers because they go we can we will so I am I'm being a sunflower you can't see but just imagine anyway and I could tell that they were up for being challenged more. Were and more being more active and I would give them more ownership. And so it was like, I mean we have obviously breaking news. It's been a bit. We had a whole company sold and a bunch of stuff happening at timing. So I have a smaller staff that I when I walked in to but everybody just rallied and that's the thing if everybody knows the headed to work and do a good job of what's been greatest to seeing sort of the three corporate turn but like the winds we've had of the like the photographer that we've never worked with it showed up for us or the ACT. So I just all of this stuff visit this magazine is world's solar systems are part of what away from what it used to be and the people that show up and so people feel real my team feels real pride and they're like, they're like, oh, yeah, we did that and they go hustle a little shoulder now I'm shaking my shoulders like Hillary Clinton when she did that good had that good point in that debate that time anyway, huh. So they're kind of we're all propelling each other. Yeah, and we also we don't have any far for don't have any room for one a desire for drama where I have no we have none here that like Zero because we're too busy with just nice people. Look everyone says your team is is great. And I know and we laugh and we show up and I are like I expect my fur Department to produce a shoot well and on budget and if I can't go to do what I would want of course, but I don't micromanage either. I don't go may I have a most of the concepts come from me at least for now until I become exhausted but I don't see that happening. I want your energy reserves. Mmm. I love it. I first asked morning had three. Glasses of Rose a oh yeah, I've never touched the stuff since oh, right. So it's being like a yeah for a while. It was like turning around a cruise ship which was was quite slow because it was a large large ship and now we feel we're much more Nimble and be the we're speedboat and I think come in the in compared in our industry. We are I really feel that I'm not even being like big UPS in style. I just feel as a lot of passivity and fear and lack of imagination. And it kind of freaks me out because I'm like, I'm a fan of magazines. I want magazines to be great. Yeah, you know, so what do you say? What do you like? And what do you tell the the youth the youth? Yeah. Yeah. Well tell them to stay hard working and not show up in turn like intern intern intern just get to where you want to bake at physically near where you want to be and and for interns I always say get the lunch. It's not like a diva get my lunch if I'm In this office, I'm stuck here. It's like I'm running a deli people are in here. Every two minutes did it. I've never had an unwatched meal at my desk. Like I'm just eating my chicken and everyone's watching but if an intern like brings me my lunch, they actually get more time with me right then anyone would otherwise like this. I see my awesome intern Kathleen there more than half of the office more than half the office so doesn't that sort of faux sincere like be humble, you know, it's not like that, but it's just like show up and And be up for and get too near where you want to be and I do think that if you've got this sort of job in your DNA, you won't have an S write a list or you won't have to be like I need to do that. You won't have to force it because this is a sort of Industry that you just have in your gut. So you don't write you know what? I mean? You can't really learn it. You want to be part of it. You want to be you're curious about the next thing you want to go to the show or the art exhibition on the movie or the new Netflix series or whatever you want to do that and so if you're going to Not be sort of hungry for it. It's not really the place for you totally. So I had an interesting conversation yesterday where the woman I was interviewing was like, you know with entrepreneurs like there's all this talk about your personal life and your work life and a lot of people do that because some people are just clocking into their job so they want to have that separation. But as an entrepreneur, it's your job. It's a passion and the time mingled. Yeah. I have a feeling that you approach this as your entrepreneurial self. Yeah. So what is your personal life? And do you? One or is it just all one big soup? I think look the good part about, you know, I moved to New York to be in this industry in a weird way because it was a lifestyle Choice like if my life my last Choice was to be at home in Sydney and be able to go to the beach every day and raise a family and that is unbelievable and wonderful and very I would have done that but I came here because all the things happened here. So that was already part of my life or part of my personal life. No, I yes. I do have personal life. I just got an engagement months ago to a delightful man called Brandon know he I think that as you know, when you're younger and you're hustling every one you want to go to like everything Bungalow 8 remember that Markie Markie and you want to you want to go everywhere. I think as you one you get older and you get more established you don't need to and you're also like I don't need to I say I sort of a joke as I have liver credits. I'm not going to hit like go and waste my liver on like some dumb party or dinner that I don't want to go too. Feeling that I'm like, yeah, I'm gonna use liver credits with my friends or my you know what I mean or like people are really love or so. I don't I'm not running around to I mean obviously during the fashion weeks after go to more but I very rarely go to Fashion events. Yeah, you know, especially in New York because I've done and people know what I produce if you want to be part of in starts very clear at sun stands and online every day and I just I feel like the industry needs to work on that sort of idea of obligating people to show up to places like it's the 1950s. You know, it's just like we don't have to do that. So that's why because people have families because people have three kids or and then you take care of themselves. So it's all that needs to be respected as well because it's a very very challenging time in what we do every day for a living and sometimes just want to like go home, but it did take me a while to sort of I've heard various my former students. I'm like, yeah, I can do that thing and then a last minute like I can't do the thing, you know, because I'm just exhausted and now said my sister is great, but I'm just like are you really gonna do that? And I'm like, I couldn't do that. So it's a matter as a matter of managing myself and having somebody help me manage myself. Totally. I instituted that with mine. I said you need to check me when I say yes everything because when I regret it and the hour before I have to go or whatever you want to die. Why did I say? Yes. Yes. Yes. He's like you you said yes, you told me to RSVP you but this I also like when I'm home because I travel so much. I want to be hot in my house. Yeah, like we had a weekend we've been running around all summer, but we had a weekend home we can for last and I was like, all right. Right, I've got for dinner with my friends two nights. I'm inside I'm going through the kitchen cupboards and I just was like, but it made me it makes me feel more cheesy Earth or something like yeah, like I've got my house together. I like I bought some new orchids and I nin him bringing candle like some whatever bullshit but like it makes me feel like I have a springboard then I can then just jump off and if that's not kind of right I get anxious totally. Yeah, so I have two last questions for you just to is a good one though, but I They want it to be a powerful one. Oh shit. I asked all my guests. What is something we'd be surprised to know about you. Um, give me embarrassing can be non embarrassing. Come on. I come from a family of Dairy Farmers. I love that. I come from a family of Dairy Farmers in Madison, Wisconsin. Oh the cheese place. Yes. My dad went there once to the cheese festival what it was going to be cheese curds probably. Okay. Um, my my dad was my dad mom met on the country. My dad was was he's up in the sky now, but he was a Dairy Farmer literally Farmer Brown. So he found Dairy my sister. I was a Dairy Farmer every morning. She gets up at Jesus 4:30 or 5:00 o'clock and milks cows every day twice a day. She's a total Legend lives in rural New South Wales and is the greatest and all my you know, my I don't have any sister Brothers on my mom would me so all my extended family are coming born of a farm. I love that, you know and I was crappy at it. Like I was when I was in like high school not trying to be glamorous all the time. And I was like, I'd go visit my dad at like the Royal Easter show and he would literally sometimes just like taking a nap like on a cow. Look at the Cow would be like what nothing and dad would just be like, I'm reclining on a couch. Just imagine and and I be like, how much can you like if the cow wins a prize like how much can you sell it on the chin my heels like wandering around all this cow shit and like yeah, so but I do my farming my Dairy Farmer family their Legends The Legends is with Senator bloody Legends. I'm going to try the milk when I go to Australia. Just want to let you know. Yes, let you know today. I was every single part 2. So my last question for you is any advice you'd like to pass on whether you learned it and it was valuable or someone gave it to you and you just think you know, it's white. Yeah, I think my I say this a lot but I do really believe it. Um, I would say under thinking nothing has anybody ever over thought anything and God God that worked out better never I hate over thinkers. Squirrelly in your hair like no. No, just like if you're where you meant to be professionally, and hopefully we all find our way or those of us who have the option. Just your guts a wonderful thing. You know what I mean? Just be good. Do good work be kind good things happen to good people go to bed at night knowing that you weren't a dick tiny one, you know and then get up again do it again high five. I'm so basic. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. That was Laura Brown to find out more about her. You can follow her at Laura Brown 99 or just pick up an InStyle. I hope you enjoyed this episode of super women.

Laura Brown came up in the 80’s – a period devoid of the internet and Instagram, where fashion inspiration came almost exclusively in the form of magazines. To make things worse for a young fashionista living in Australia, as Laura did, those magazines arrived three months after their release date. Laura was hungry for the glitz and the glam, and made it her goal to one day work and live in the heart of the fashion world. After working a few stints at magazines in Australia and London, Laura arrived in New York. Finding herself at a lavish Marc Jacobs show within days of moving there, Laura finally felt the pulse of the life she had so long been yearning for. After working her way up to Features at Harper’s, she was then hired as Editor in Chief at InStyle. In the three years since, Laura has revitalized the magazine, injecting new life into it, forever showcasing her love of fashion, layouts, and a good dose of creative, hard work. This episode is in partnership with SAP Success Factors. Thanks for listening! We love our listeners! Follow Superwomen on Instagram. Big Ideas The excitement and satisfaction of pulling off creative, hard work. [11:25] Advice for those interested in working at a magazine.

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Then you knowing the concepts and understanding the concepts and under internalizing them and making this a simple prop a simple thing that I'm able to condense into a hundred Nine Pages, you know, it's all like it's small riding, you know, it's like 10-point font or whatever on the pages. So it's a lot of riding it. Take you hours to read it. But the audio there's an audiobook of it too. And the audiobook is six and a half seven seven hours long. So that's the length of the book but I have to say I'm happy with Ultimate Guide to roids and I really feel good about the work that is that is that book coming from my mind? So let's get on with the with the questions. The first question for today is Rogue asks, what's your take on this cycle? 200 milligrams testosterone sippy innate 300 milligrams equipoise and 500 milligrams Preamble and an ante for 16 weeks. I have a eyes on hand, but figure I won't need them for this cycle. Yeah, this is a good cycle. You probably won't need a i except for maybe a half a tablet twice per week or something like that or or like you said maybe even none the way that you you did the low testosterone. So you're I'm guessing that you're sensitive to testosterone side effects. You don't like to run high testosterone because the first thing that I think when I see that is okay. He's running one. Total of steroids. So he's running testosterone at the lowest dosage out of those three steroids that he's using so that must be the one that he doesn't like and then he's trying to even though he doesn't like testosterone and he must get side effects from that. He seems to be okay with pre mobile and in equipoise, which he's using to really power his cycle putting that testosterone in their a normal dose like that 200 milligrams per week. That's more or less High natural levels a high natural like 18 18 year old guy 17 year old guy 19 year old guy. It's pretty close to their levels. If they have high high level the guys with the highest range. That are Naturals and that age group will have roughly similar amount of testosterone as 200 milligrams sipping it per week. So that's a good replacement dose to be putting that testosterone in their thing with if with the testosterone is if you don't use any testosterone the cycle doesn't work nearly as well. So testosterone is super synergistic with all the other steroids and it's a natural hormone. So if you take that natural hormone and try to replace With all artificial non natural hormones, then the artificial not natural hormones. They generally don't work nearly as well as they do if you have like Rogue here has at least 200 milligrams or so of testosterone in their per week. It will make all your other steroids work exponentially better. That's why people say like don't run a cycle without testosterone because you know steroids are kind of lackluster in general without testosterone the way around that is if somebody absolutely can't use testosterone which how does that even make sense? If they went to a low enough dosage like a hundred milligrams per week or something because like you produce testosterone naturally, how could you be so side-effect prone and incompatible with your own natural body's hormone, so Makes me think that the people like that, you know that really cannot use testosterone that they're using underground lab testosterone with you know, synthetic carrier oils that are irritating and a bunch of other sterilization products that are shady and not good for their system and they're probably getting allergic to that because it doesn't make sense to be allergic to your own bodies biologically natural hormone. Get some form of grade gear for those guys. But here with the cycle other than the low testosterone he's got pretty mobile and in equipoise Prima Bolin 500 milligrams in equipoise 300 milligrams, so that the next thing that I think is hey, that's a great way to be able to run some Primo Belen but not break the bank because Prima Bolin is arguably the best steroid there really aren't many side effects at all. If you notice any or have any like it's really Superior. It's really Superior. It doesn't for most people it does not. Cause any side effects in a No-No you don't notice it outside of the gym. You only notice it in the gym and you notice it in an amazing way in the gym. It's the ideal roid. Okay, it's the shit. So it's a good thing to run that in your in your stacks and but it's expensive, you know, a lot of guys, you know won't be able to get real legit Prima Belen for less than round. A hundred US dollars for pretend milliliters or so. That's the general black market price of it and you know, a lot of it is fake. It's usually always fake and even with reputable, you know, underground labs, you know, a lot of times they still are fake or they'll be under dosed. So it'll say something like, you know, a hundred milligrams per milliliter on the vial, but it's really only like 50 60 Milligrams per milliliter or something. And so when you use it next to the real thing, there's a there's a huge difference now pharmaceutical grade pretty mobile and is still being made it's being made in Turkey and Spain and it gets around the world the black market around the world it gets around the stuff from here, but there's fakes. Okay, and you can tell the difference between The Fakes in the world one's pretty easily. So the real stuff is called re mobile and okay with no P they changed the name, but it still made by they are sharing the same company that's been making it since Arnold was using it in the 60s. They him Frankel Columbo used to bring it over in suitcases from Europe. They would fly back to America with suitcases full of Bayer sharing Primo Bolin, which is the the brand name by Barry sharing and then the generic name of the chemical is metin alone or methane alone and it is a is great steroid, but it's like I said, it's Pensive and then this this sharing stuff the bear sharing Rima Belen. That's what it's called. Now that is legit when you hold it comes in ampules. It's one box with one ampule inside. That's the way that the legit stuff comes and the consistency of the steroid oil inside the ampule an ambulance like a little glass bottle that you have to break in half in order to get the oil inside and so the consistency of the oil and the mayor sharing Prima Bolin or sorry mobile and renewable and is what they call it now it is the consistency or the thickness of thick honey. Thick cold honey, like honey, that is not running. So when you turn the vial or the start them the ampule upside down. It doesn't just immediately go to the other side. It's like this slow stretching process that happens. over way more than 15 seconds or something. So if you have the the kind that just looks like regular like thin steroid oil where you turn the vial over and it immediately goes to the other side or you know, it just kind of goes around the vile as you turn the vial that is not the that is a counterfeit that is counterfeit re mobile and the real Rema Boleyn which is pharmaceutical grade Bayer sharing pre mobile and still produced today still available on the black market. Today and the same stuff that Arnold Schwarzenegger was using I'm telling you it is the shit it is the best is the best steroid that is produced. It is the best and it is the consistency of like thick honey or molasses. It doesn't just move to the other side of the vial when you turn the vial over it's the slow stretching moving process. It's very thick oil. Okay. The legit stuff that's the real stuff the fake stuff. I've seen fake Barry mobile into and it just went it went to the other side of the aisle. Just like any regular steroid oil when I turned it upside down. Yeah, that was some bullshit. So yeah definitely have experienced both personally, and I know what I'm talking about here guys. I know what I'm talking about because here's the thing with Prima Bolin is that it makes it so that your body doesn't lose any protein so normally Your body is doing this thing where the the way that they measure it in science test is nitrogen and so normally nitrogen is being excreted in your shit all the time. And what steroids in general do is they slow down the excretion of nitrogen they keep it in you. Okay, and that's how you have your body the steroids work to store more protein inside the body if you have a positive nitrogen balance, meaning you're gaining in Nitrogen then your have them that's like muscle growth right there. That's like a clinical way of measuring it. But if you're losing a lot of nitrogen then that's not good. Okay, and you want to slow down the rate at which nitrogen leaves the body and gets used up metabolized as much as you can. That's one of the main things that tremble own does. It makes it so that it makes us that protein does not leave the body it slows down and just halts the excretion. Shouldn't of the of the protein from the body and holds onto the muscle. So I mean pretty mobile and was the shit as far as contest drug the best that there was before as an injectable the injectable component because there is oil or oils that are very important but before tremble own came out in the early 60s, well people and came out at the same time, but trembling wasn't so fully adopted its at so this is why it's apples and oranges with trembling and Prema Boleyn tremble own is the best steroid hands down. Okay, it just is and there's nothing there's a there's no arguing that there's no if ands or buts. Okay, but you're going to be like, oh my my mental You Know You're Gonna Be Like Loving in my muscles and your back, uh, my mental health. My little testicles My Shrunken penis, haha my relationships and it like everything's going to fall apart. Okay, the only good thing about tremble and his the muscles. Okay, but so Prima bowling isn't as good as tremble own. It's not as strong. It doesn't keep muscle as well as tremble and does it does it keeps muscle on when dieting about equal but you have to use about twice the dosage for it to be equal. So if you used 350 milligrams tremble on per week, it takes about seven hundred milligrams of pre mobile and to have the same effect at just completely blocking any muscle loss whatsoever when on a calorie deficit Is it and of course you can still go flat on either of those hormones? Which means that's when you use up the glycogen the few the stored carbohydrate and water fuel storage inside of your muscle cells during your workouts, and then you're not replacing it by any carbohydrates in your diet and your liver can only manufacture glucose out of protein so fast, which is not that fast in order to give your muscles some more fuel again after your workout if you're not eating a lot of carbohydrates. And yeah, so that's why when you're dieting you get flat and you don't look as 3D and round and shapely it looks like you lose muscle but that's not losing muscle the muscles just going into hibernation as soon as you eat high carb diet with a lot of calories for three days again, it comes right back. So that that's covering what is and isn't muscle loss on a diet and then, you know covering the reasons why pre mobile and is so good. No sexual side effects no mood side effects gains in the gym great pumps in the gym. Great cosmetic. Look to the body great fat burner steroid, and it makes everything good. It's it doesn't have like bad health effects on your blood work. Stuff like that either some people get a little bit of cholesterol or blood lipid stuff coming a little bit off on it. That's pretty much the only side effect that anyone gets that I hear of on Preamble and in their blood work. And then it so it provides those great effects in the gym without providing any of these shit side effects, and that's what makes it better than tremble own. It is the replacement for tremble own like when I decided I didn't want to use Trend anymore and then I started experimenting with Preamble in and was like, Blown Away. That was a thing was I was saying? Okay. Well, this is awesome. Because if you take something like a thousand milligrams per week of pre mobile and yeah it more or less has pretty much identical effects to 350 milligrams of tremble on per week. Like it's nearly it's an that cosmetic effect isn't the same but the effects on your your body your body building, you know, your metabolism and your workouts the way your body processes food everything. Decomposition. That's roughly the same a thousand milligrams of provable in compared to 350 milligrams tremble own per week. And it Preamble has got its own. Look. It doesn't quite look so square and boxy like tremble and looks it looks more round. But and I mean I'm splitting hairs here guys. I'm splitting hairs saying that but those are the reasons why people want to use Primo. Bolin and then it's expensive like I was mentioning earlier and so Rogue here the ask the question. He's got a great way of putting Prima Belen in the cycle and then you know, maybe maybe maybe not he wants to you know, he's on a budget or something with a cycle. So then he adds 300 milligrams of equipoise per week, which is another anabolic that doesn't have bad Health side effects being taken long term and puts it in there with her. Mobile in to make testosterone equipoise and Prima Belen equal a thousand milligrams per week, which that's sort of the threshold for if you want to be one of the big super jacked guys in your gym a thousand milligrams total anabolics per week is pretty much unless you're using tremble own. The only way that you will ever get to that point that that's like the threshold dosage that needs. to be broken for most people 1 to 1.5 grams somewhere in that dosage range is the threshold dosage that for the majority of people that want to like take it to that level where they're like got like really dense thick massive muscles and they're one of the you know, real big guys the really jacked dudes in the gym and the strongest dudes, you know, they need to be taking this is a Mystic number, okay and most this is what most of them are taking. Well at least is what I'm saying. They could be taking more but this is the threshold it's got to be this or more and this is a good dosage. You don't need more for the most part 1.5 grams. That's a really really good dosage 1.5 grams total and one 1 gram about that would be you know, really on the lowest end of the spectrum for most people. I know you guys will hear a lot of things in other places. On the internet. Unfortunately, you know the other things that you hear are the ways that it is or not true and people are not being truthful. So my data is coming from actual people that I've met over my body building lifetime, which I've been doing that for more than 14 years now. And you know, this is the way it is, you know, this is real life. This is not on the virtual reality on the computer. This is not on the computer. This is the way that it's happening really in real life. Okay in the gyms. So that's that guys take it or leave it take it or leave it. Say I think that sounds like a great cycle. Alright next question or apis asks, how long does it take Anna drawl to kick? And it takes about two or three days. I mean you could feel them on the first 50 milligram tablet and a drill should be taken at a minimum of 50 milligrams per day. That is the minimum dosage that was ever prescribed to anyone the the minimum unit pill that ever was made of Anna draw the original and a draw that got made pharmaceutical grade in the 60s starting then 50 milligram tablet. That was the lowest dose and it l should be taken in 50 milligram tablets Phil 50 milligram at the least. So that's what I think about an adult and if you take it like that, yeah, you'll probably feel a little something after the first tablet actually a few hours after taking it but you know, you're not going to be seeing any changes and it could make you be able to push maybe an extra two and a half or five pounds or so on any exercise taking a few hours pre-workout on the first time in the gym, but it's not like Going to be pushing 20 pounds more weight for the same amount of reps as the as if you weren't using it. I'm talking like maybe maybe two and a half more pounds or so or 5 pounds or so for the you know, a couple sets during your workout that you might have otherwise not been able to hit for the same amount of reps as you did the last workout without it. And yeah, it kicks in in two to three days. You start seeing major cosmetic changes to your body. Growing way bigger overnight as your body holds onto water and carbohydrate fuel storage inside. The muscle cells does not cause a lot of bloat and it's fully kicked in in seven about 7 to 10 days of the maximum after you start taking those tablets. It's fully kicked in seven to 10 days. So that's how I ended Rock extend actually asks, hi mate Superbook and loving the podcasts. I'm into running aside from EPO what steroids would help cardio EPO guys is an injection that makes your body increased its red blood cell count. And when you increase the amount of red blood cells you have in your blood. It makes your blood thicker and it also gets it makes it denser per volume. It's still the same volume of blood but there's more red blood cells packed into that same volume, but red blood cells carry oxygen. And so if you have more red blood cells you have more oxygen. And that's why runners use this Runners and cyclists and mostly Endurance Sports athletes use this performance enhancing drug called EPO and EPO erythropoietin. It increases its a drug that pharmacologically increases the amount of red blood cells what they used to do with blood doping where they would have a you know months before the competition. They take their blood and then free, you know, In the fridge and store it and then, you know a few months later when they were going to do their competition, you know, then they had put extra blood, you know their own blood that they were storing they put extra blood back into them the day before the contest to give them an advantage having more blood and then putting of course more red blood cells into them other people go to high altitude where there's less oxygen in the air. So their blood compensates by making more red blood cells and then they come back down to do the competition at a lower altitudes with more red blood cells in their blood. Because they were training at a high altitude for a month before the competition or whatever. These are different ways that people have increased their increased their cardio. you know for cardio I find is A cup of black coffee before cardio. That's the best. That's the best stimulant for coffee or for cardio for running doing cardiovascular exercise. Coffee goes best when you don't drink it every day, you know three or four days a week maximum. That's how you get the best effects out of coffee and you can use it to help you like not eat on as much on certain days and have energy still and get the kind of euphoric effects that it has and the good mind stimulating idea effects. I know coffee every day is kind of a cultural thing and I'll admit I've definitely done years of For every day, but currently, you know, I don't do that. I don't do coffee everyday, but I love coffee and I like to drink it, you know two or three or four times per week. Sometimes I do up to five days per week. But having some days off of the caffeine really we all know we all know that that makes it way better. So I'm always trying to figure out what is The Sweet Spot with each chemical and tried and stick to that so that That you know, you never want chemicals to control you. You always want to be in full control of them and I've found that so I'm whenever I introduce something to my body like caffeine, for example that has great benefits and helps me work harder and everything you have great ideas and feel good and makes music and dancing more fun Etc. I found that the best effects from that come with two or three or four days using it per week. Okay. The next question is from Coolio drink water here. And Coolio asks, bro. How come my dick seems smaller on Trend and how can I prevent the night sweats? All right. The penis has Androgen receptors in it that have receptors for male hormones. And it also has estrogen receptors and progesterone receptors. Like all cells in your body do. So tremble own is kind of a jack of all Spades hormone. Yeah, it stimulates the Androgen receptor really really hard as hard as the most potent male natural hormone dihydrotestosterone, but tremble own also stimulates estrogen and progesterone receptors and for progesterone, especially it stimulates that projector that receptor pretty good and So you get all these different signals in your penis with tremble own and so it makes your penis malfunction. Yeah, if you take enough tremble own, it won't really matter. I'm talking more than a gram per week. I'm talking more than a gram per week. And for this effect to you know, totally come on and there's no getting out of it. This comes on at about 2,000 milligrams per week for most some can get away with Complete chemical castration and sexual dysfunction inability to get an erection. It's not possible and in ability to orgasm it's not possible. Even if you're running cabergoline or pramipexole with the trembling. So that's the reality because of the Jack of all Spades hormone receptor stimulator that tremble own is that's the reality when you go up high enough in the dosages because you're given your penis mixed signals with all that Trend, bro. So best way to not have a smaller dick on Trend don't take Trend because it's not a big difference. Okay, it's just that it's maybe a 15 or 10 percent difference. It's not a big difference. But it's a little bit smaller in length and girth and this happens with everyone and if they say that it's not I'm sorry. They're lying. Okay, that's it's very obvious to know why a bodybuilder, you know that is projecting the image of a strong healthy man would not want to you know be talking about dysfunctional penis on him, you know, it's not congruent psychologically with the character. That is a bodybuilder. But yeah, the penis does Gets it doesn't get as big when it gets erect on Trend and Trend also really shrinks your balls. So more than any other steroid, like, you know, when they talk about like raisins or like or like these small nuts, you know, all the bad steroids side effects, you know, all the really, you know bad stereotypes. Those are all from Tren Trend rage. Try to abuser. They it really is the epitome of the stereotypes of steroid use, you know, it does turn your balls into raisins. Like especially if you don't use cabergoline or pramipexole like and even when you do it, it's more like, you know, they might be 60% or 70% their natural size. When you do use Tremblant when you do use cabergoline or pramipexole, but if you don't I mean they can be like, you know, definitely less than half their natural size and you know, I hear this frequently with Guys saying that they lose their testicles like they go up inside of them and they have an empty sack and they don't know where their balls are there. They're still there. They're not destroyed. You know, they're still there, but they're no longer in their ball sack they like retracted back up to them and I'm not kidding you this dude. I really have had it's mostly old guys that have told me this guys that are you know around 50 years old or so, but some guys that have been around 30 years old have told me this too. So it's not Just restricted to the older guys that you know, they don't know where their balls are and they have an empty sack their balls are still there. But that you know, they haven't they haven't stopped the trend, you know for years and we're at least not frequently, you know, they're trying to be users. They're trying to be users. Let's put it that way. There are trained abuser trying to be users generally have penis. That doesn't work very well penis that is smaller than what their normal natural penis would be and really shrunken testicles and sometimes up inside their body sometimes an empty sack. There's no way to prevent night sweats on tremble own other than not eating. the yeah, if you don't eat then your body temperature cools. Okay, but what happens is you sweat when you're taking Trend you sweat in your bed. And then once you're wet like that, then it starts to get freaking freezing because it all evaporates off your body. It's like an air conditioner blowing on you in the middle of the night out of nowhere. Yeah night sweats freaking suck the best thing to do if you if you get a horrible night sweat and you wake up shivering and like feeling like Go to hell in the middle of night on tremble own. Best thing to do is go take a hot shower just walk out of the freaking bed and getting the hot shower and put yourself out of that misery and suffering. Okay? Fuck Trend. Fuck Trend. This is why I'm saying Primo is the shit Primo Bolin. Okay, by the way, the minimum dosage for pre mobile and to be effective is about 400 milligrams per week. If it's less than three or four hundred milligrams per week. It's more like not really worth running like like to I mean 200 milligrams of an absolute minimum, but don't be expecting anything out of that, you know, but it's probably doing a little something back there, but you know for you to actually notice Think 400 milligrams per week is about the threshold. Okay. The next question is from Ryan would High rep pump workouts be good for muscle growth on gear. I was wondering if the blood flow would bring more drugs to the muscles resulting in more muscle growth. Yeah. Yeah, they are good high rep pump workouts are good. But you have to be improving your performance in the gym. A lot of people think that lifting heavy means improving your Form its in the gym and not lifting heavy lifting the pump way means not improving your performance and just doing whatever getting a blood flow. Okay. Well, it doesn't really matter. What what type of guy you want to be. The main thing is that whichever type you choose you're increasing the Reps and weights frequently. Okay, that doesn't and or the amount of time that the set lasts or the, you know, increasing the amount of control that you have over time. Lovely on the way. There are different ways to do the overload to the muscle, but you can't, you know, you can't just lift the same amount of weights and and get a pump, you know and be like, oh, I just trained, you know, totally instinctively for the pump only and I never you know, I've been using the same weights and doing the same amount of Reps for the last two years and why aren't I getting bigger that dude you have to have all phases of bodybuilding you have to be doing the diet the training and the Tatian okay, or else for the mat vast majority of people that don't have the you know, the elite genetics that you know, they started out naturally already like looking ripped and shit and then they just take steroids and get a little bit bigger muscles and look like fucking insane. Okay, but you know other than those people the majority of guys is going to half to optimize their training their diet and their Peds performance-enhancing drugs steroids growth hormone Etc there. Going to have to optimize all three that's the way that it is and anybody that wants to reach their potential. You can't cut out any one of those three. Those are the essential components of bodybuilding if you're interested in bodybuilding and you say hey, I want to be a bodybuilder or I want to do bodybuilding or I want to change the body way. My body looks in the gym. Okay. Well, then you get you better freaking make sure that you are willing to do the diet the training and the supplementation aspects of this or else, you know, it's not going to be a good investment of time and Go to swimming or something instead because you'd probably get a better body and have a better Fitness to and it would be healthier. So this is really it's a serious. This is serious. Yeah, it's serious. So for for Ryan, yeah do the pump. I know you're talking about the blood flow and everything, but you know that that matters a bit but that is like not a big deal that is not so much of a big deal. It's a side effect of good things happening. That's what it is for the most part. It's a side effect of good. Things happening, but the the indicator that you use to say am I progressing as a bodybuilder? Am I progressing as a weightlifter as a gym Gore? Am I doing what I need to do? Am I getting what I need to get out of training in order to become a better body builder improve my body and my completing the training component of diet training steroids. Okay, what you need to do, whether using light weights and getting them more of a pump or you're using heavier weights and getting Of a pump you got to make sure that either you've got to make sure that you're increasing the workload over time man. That's that's it. That is what training is. And so the normal methods of doing that are increasing the amount of weight you lift during your workouts for the same amount of reps as previous workouts, but more weight or using the same amount of weight as last workouts, but more doing more reps with it. or Another way is having better control or making the set last longer. That's another way to do it. There are other ways to do it too, but you got to make sure that you're doing something that's how you get when you say are you doing a good diet a training and steroids the first thing that you have to monitor as whether or not you're improving in the gym over time in these things whether you're lifting heavy or light. Okay, there's no other way around it. Okay. Next question is from Joe. He says have a question for the podcast. I'm on trt through my doctor and run two big Cycles a year usually incorporate equipoise for a long 16-week run. I was wondering if equipoise shows up as testosterone a blood test. Also wondered if Prima Belen shows up as testosterone as well forgot to add that I'd like to run equipoise or Prima Belen a little bit longer into my mandatory blood work draws every six months. Because he wants to keep on taking them until closer to his mandatory blood work draws with his trt doctor. So he's kind of wondering like, you know, if he should if there's a way that he can take it for longer without having to come off the like be clean for that test. Yeah, you know any steroid really can show up on those on those tests you for the most part usually they don't really the other steroids don't really show up on the test. But they do sometimes like trembling shows up a test as estrogen for most people's blood tests that have a high estrogen level but on the blood test but no estrogen symptoms, but and they're running tremble own and it's just because it's a false reading blood test picks up the trembling as estrogen. And so that's one example, but it happens it can happen for any steroids if you're ever on cycle and you go Take a blood test for the doctor. They'll know. All right, they'll know so three or four weeks before you get the test, you know, there's a difference between taking a piss test where they actually test for metabolites and when the drug is, you know active or inactive in your system. So three or four weeks after your last shot of Prima Belen and equipoise. They're not really doing anything in there anymore. They're pretty much out. There's there's some metabolites left that are like byproducts of those drugs that are still in your system by products their their their chemicals that are partially metabolized. They've been your body has started to get rid of the hormone. And these are the byproducts from destroying it this kind of stuff metabolites and they also have some effects but generally not really but so they're like da derp da derp hormones or daughter son hormones of the parent hormone. That's another way to say it the parent steroid that you injected. But three to four weeks after your last injection. They don't they're not doing anything for the most part in your body anymore. And if you go take a test where they're not, you know, testing you for steroids, but they're testing you to make sure if you're you know trt is going Anything you'd want to err on the side of caution with that. So I mean for me personally, I would do that. At least I would stop my last injection at least four or five weeks to make sure it was not doing anything in me and that my blood work looked all good so that they didn't be like, oh what the hell the testosterone is is screwing this guy up or whatever, you know and then fuck up my trt. So that's how I would do it. Okay, the next question is from Lloyd who asks, I recently saw the compound methyl tremble own methyl Deca. So it's an oral. Okay, so he found it an oral steroid. That is three milligrams of methyl Trend balloon and three milligrams of methyl Deca that he wants to buy from some some. Okay. He's looking at it and he's interested in it. Okay. Of something and he says that he saw on a forum is this methyl Trend and methyl Deca combined? Is it liquid or tablet oral or injectable? Can you explain the benefits and negative aspects of using this compound, please? Yeah, so this is not a useful compound. So yeah, methyl tremble own works. Okay, and three milligrams is an extremely strong dose. It's you know one milligram is an extremely strong dose but like that like we all know there are steroid users and there are steroid abusers and there's everywhere in between. Okay and Below its it's a crapshoot. But this is one of those ones that methyl tremble on and methyl Deca two milligrams. Okay. This is not what your physique Heroes have used to build. Zeke's okay. Yes. They work. They are very powerful. Yes, but this is not what your physique Heroes the guys that you saw when you started bodybuilding or are your goals to look like, you know or even you know, mr. Olympia, even you know, and you and you say I want to be like this when and that's your goal or whatever. This is not the chemicals that they used to make that happen. So this is going to be a chemical. Methyl Trend and methyl Deca stack and one for oral tablet. No good. No good. It's going to be very strong. It's going to have a lot of side effects. Yes, it will work to put on massive strength and size is going to have massive Health side effects, you know, probably more strong than any other steroid you've ever taken before if you take it on a regular basis, the health effects will most likely be the most severe just to let you know methyl tremble own has never been used. In humans or or even animals it's only used by scientists in Laboratories as the gold standard from comparing all other steroids to I mean, it's estimated bind to the antigen receptor something like 17,000 times stronger than testosterone per milligram. So what they do, they've never scientists have never discovered any chemical that attaches to the Androgen receptor as strongly as methyl tremble own. And so then when they're comparing the strengths of different Don't you know male hormone receptor stimulators that they discover or they're testing or they're researching. They always compare it to methyl tremble own. Okay, and they've never used it in animals never used in humans. It's never it's never been used other than just these experiments but you got guys wanting to take this for bodybuilding. Okay. This is not this is not how you do bodybuilding. Okay, if you want to take it some time and feel like and you know, just know what it's like you're curious to know what the most strongest thing. On Earth is you can take it but these things you know methyl trembling for one. It has more of the effect of taking cocaine or Methamphetamine or recreational drugs than it does of being. You know looking like someone took steroids. clenched fists clenched jaw dismissive talking gibberish extreme adrenaline significantly stronger within two or three hours after taking it. You know move being able to do a lot more a lot more reps with the same amount of weight than if not and quite a lot more weight to not a huge amount more about you no more and then the person's eyes, you know, like the pupils are pinned like tiny black pins. It really looks like they're on cocaine or Methamphetamine, you know, honestly, you know, it's very liver toxic to it's very liver toxic. If this stuff ruins people's blood work, it just ruins it. Ok, so I don't even want to say this but I'm tempted even say like maybe even cocaine or Methamphetamine will give you the same guy the same damn a fact and and be less less less Health threatening. I don't know. That's probably not true. That's probably not true. But I felt tempted. I felt tempted to say it. This stuff is not useful. This stuff is not useful if you have to try it because you're curious. Yes, it's up to you. But this stuff is not useful. Okay, the next question is from Big Chef who asks question my man, I'm planning on doing my first cycle soon. I'm just going to be doing 250 milligrams of testosterone and Aunt date a week for 10 weeks and my sources telling me I just need HCG for PCT since I'm just doing tests. Is he correct? Should I also get an anti estrogen just to be safe well in general whenever you take any steroids you should Anti-estrogen with you before you start the cycle just because they can be unpredictable and the chance of something like, you know, growing a lump under your nipple that stays with you until you get it cut out by surgery can happen. If you wait a week after you get side effects to get that anti-estrogen in there like you got to hit it like with it, you know, it won't be you know guy. No, it doesn't appear permanently overnight if you hit it with an anti estrogen, you know after you start to get side effects burning itching or you know, some kind of swelling under there or something if you take an anti estrogen tablet XMS 10 or Aromas. Yeah so aromasin, that's the same thing or Arimidex and Asters all for letrozole brand-name form era. If you take one of those tablets within 48 Hours of starting to experience guy no symptoms. You're not going to have permanent guy. No, okay. You know I can you know, try to do it within 24 hours. Okay, but if you know 48 Hours being the limit you're not as long as you can get that tablet in your body within that time, you know, you're not really going to be experiencing any permanent gyno stuff. Okay, so that's sort of the amount of time that you have. So that's why it's just unwise to take steroids without having anti estrogens on hand. You need to have them with you my advice and and what I would I would never take steroids without having an anti estrogen tablet. On hand on hand having it accessible to me immediately if I need it. I would never do that. I would never do that. So that's that's my my answer is because even though you're running a low dose of testosterone 250 milligrams. Testy per week. Yeah, you're probably not going to need much anti-estrogen. You'll probably be okay taking none, but me personally I would be way more comfortable on I don't know one or two tablets may be split in half or something of anti-estrogen any any of the three interested Jin's one or two tablets or so per week out that would make me more comfortable and just feel better on 250 milligrams to stop Starin at they per week. But I aromatize pretty pretty much the aromatase enzyme the enzyme in your body that transforms testosterone and estrogen I produce more of that than the average guy. So that's just me. But the thing is is that you don't want to mess around with this. So that's why I'm talking about you need to have the freaking anti-estrogen. Okay, you might not need it. You might be okay, but it's just not wise didn't take a cycle. Especially your first cycle without having one because you have no idea what's going to happen. That's one of the things that you learn as soon as you take steroids is wow. I knew nothing about steroids before I started taking steroids, even you know, you've done all this reading and Studying and she is like wow, that's one of the first things you freaking realize that my days of starting. It's like wow, I did not know shit about steroids. All right. So the HCG for PCT, that's the best PCT drug if you can only find one drug for PCT HCG is the best one. That's how doctors when you go to a fertility clinic and you're infertile and you have hypogonadism and they're trying to get you fertile again. The first thing that they'll normally do and the studies that Have guys you know, that that are have been done that show guys that had shut down from steroids and then you know got their fertility back were always being used HCG in order to accomplish that purpose anywhere between two to three to five even up to ten thousand milligrams in these studies per week of HCG, you know used for periods of you know up to three months straight anywhere from you know, a few weeks up to three three months straight. That's what they did. That's what the doctors did, okay. In those in those studies that worked and did reverse guys who had you know, long-term shut down reproductive systems and shrunken testicles long-term from steroids. HCG is the best PCT drug generally taken at two to three thousand. I use per week in Thousand IU shots, you know, two or three times per week doing that three four five weeks six weeks or so. Generally that'll get your reproductive system going. All on and you know, what the great thing about HCG is to is that as soon as you start taking that stuff within two or three days, you've got high natural testosterone levels being pumped out by your testicles. Okay. So there is no downtime. There is no lag as the testicles recover and you know start slowly producing testosterone again, no two or three days after you start on that HTG your testosterone. Your testicles are freaking pumping out testosterone at high natural levels some it's the best PCT drug. Ugh and another good PCT drug is Clomid and third Nova decks tamoxifen Clomid something around 50 milligrams per day for weeks or so and Nova decks 20 to 40 milligrams per day for weeks or so. You guys noticed that I say generally and or so that's because This thing's are not the super important things when you think about all this is the way it needs to be done. In order to make the best physique or make the best gains or have the best health effects or something like that it you got to pay attention more to the big details rather than these kind of Minor Details and that's why I say things to you like generally or something like that stuff like that because I'm trying to help you understand this concept of It is important with the steroid cycles. And what is not so important what is insignificant? That's why I'm doing that for you. Alright. Next question is from Cher who asks? Hey Dan. I came off cycle about three weeks ago. I think my body had a bad reaction to whatever kind of carrier oil they're using in the gear but my leg was crazy inflamed and very painful. It's much better now. That's there's just a small bump there now and I can move around unlike Before I was using gear from an underground lab, okay. Yeah, this happens a lot of underground labs have started using underground lab UGL is how it's abbreviated online. It means you know, somebody decides that they're going to break the law and you know, make steroids and sell steroids, you know, since that's illegal in most places. So it's like being a drug dealer for steroids or whatever. That's you. Person who's taking the powder that they get shipped in from China and then they put it in the bottles and then you know, and then they sell it on the black market. That's what a underground lab is and personally I don't use these anymore after my fucking leg thing happened where my fucking leg got Nick wrote it necrosis with a flesh eating bacteria from a UGL and I was just like fuck didn't like that was pretty irresponsible of me. Like I know a lot of people are using you gels and everything, but that doesn't matter it's me, it's me and and you know, you got to ask yourself sometimes when you're doing like body building and stuff. I let you want to sometimes think about what would my grandma say? Well, what would you know, what would my mom say or something like that? You know, you do want to ask yourself, you know questions. Like what would those who love me say if they knew exactly what I was doing? King and and you want to sometimes you know be realistic so that you can maintain the right perspective about you know what you're doing and and so I mean, you know, I almost died from using UGL gear and and you know, that wouldn't have happened if it would have been pharmaceutical-grade gear. So I had to decide a way to make that never happen again. And so the way that you know, I've decided to reduce that risk to like Basically nil, you know, not a hundred percent Neil but basically nil and still be a realistic with this is my job. This is how I make my income and everything. You know, now I'm not giving myself any injections that are not coming from pharmaceutical grade gear that you know would be administered to a person in a hospital, you know, it's meant for humans and it's you know used by doctors somewhere in the world in hospitals. Okay, so that's what I'm doing in order to To make that risk go to nil with injections because you know personally I can't take that risk to ever have what happened to my leg happen. Again. It's Russian Roulette. You know, I'm not the only person who's got ever gotten infection from steroids. Okay that were from underground labs. I'm not the only person so it happens to people. It's Russian Roulette. Is it likely? No, it's probably not likely to happen to you. Does it happen to people? Yeah. Yeah, and it might be you. It was me. Okay, so that's why I've decided no no more no more. You know, what if I got another infection from using UGL gear again, I would be ashamed of myself. I would be ashamed of myself. I'm making sure that doesn't happen Okay. Next question is from Coolio he asks. Question to you brother. When do you usually see strength gains from trinace? I'm been running it over a little weak. Haven't really been getting stronger. Just been getting side effects. Yeah, usually the Cosmetic effects of tremble own come on about three or four days after the first injection. If you're taking around a hundred milligrams every other day or so. So 350 milligrams per week. Usually if people take under this dose, they have lackluster results in comparison to their expectations. So if you have legit properly dose tremble own and you're taking it at less than 350 milligrams or 300 milligrams or so per week. Generally their expectations about what Trent is are not going to be met by their cycle. So that's you know, 350 milligrams or 300 milligrams or so per week. That's the minimum that you can I mean, it works under that dose. It definitely works. But for the reputation that Trend balloon has and making you feel like you experience the full effect, you know, it's not a letdown or something so you didn't say what your dosage is, but but I got to throw that in there for you and yeah within within three or four days, it really starts kicking in about that third or fourth day. Tremble and acetate that is and after a week man, absolutely after seven days 14 days. So one or two weeks is done do that shit is freaking making big changes to the way that your body looks and your performance in the gym mind you though. There's a limit to how much muscle and strength you can gain without eating more calories than is necessary and gain gaining weight like no steroid. Not even Trend works as well as it can to make gains unless you're eating a hyper caloric diet meaning more calories than you need. That's how you make steroids. Okay, a lot of guys say what's the best fat burning steroid? Well, first thing I got to tell you is that yeah steroids can help with burning fat they do they And okay, but steroids aren't fat burners. Okay, steroids are bulking agents. They help you gain weight. They help you gain weight not lose weight. Losing weight on the scale is how you lose fat in huge amounts not by recomposition. Okay, that's how you use lose fat in small amounts. And yeah steroids do help your body composition. They help you lose fat in small amounts and gain muscle. Okay, but they don't help you lose large amounts of fat and And that's you got to lose weight on the scale. That's how you lose large amounts of fat. And unfortunately, there is no way around that that is a hard rule. Alright, so yeah, it kicks in seven to 10 days maximum pretty much after you start taking the injections. You're going to be noticing, you know visual changes and you know strength changes performance changes in the gym. You feel like an animal on the gym on Trend dude Trend makes you kind of like high in the gym in a way. It makes you get a really good adrenaline feeling when you're working out and you just feel like a God and like so cocky and and like the That you look it just your reflection back in the mirror. It's like Adonis or something. So like I said this stuff seduces a lot of body builders. All right next question. Johnson asks does HGH give you any permanent gains. And as far as side effects goes aside from Oregon and large man. Are there any other permanent side effects good question. Yeah, it does give some permanent like changes to the way that your muscles look and everything. But you know, it doesn't just make you you know, if you stop taking performance-enhancing drugs, but you did a bunch of you know growth hormone when you stop taking performance-enhancing drugs, you're not going to still look like you're on drugs. Okay growth hormone won't cause That it won't cause you two look like you're a bodybuilder on drugs if you're not on drugs, so I think that's probably what you're kind of getting it. But if you do continue using drugs and you drop out the growth hormone, yeah, it has a cosmetic effect that drops out. But if you're still on the steroids the growth hormone has an effect on your physique that sticks around longer term and I mean dude growth hormone is so valuable growth or I mean testosterone is the most valuable to steroids are more valuable if you had to just choose Choose one or the other. Yeah steroids are more valuable. But I mean growth hormone is not that far behind growth. Hormone is freaking amazing in combination with steroids. So my opinion is I mean getting for having for I use a pharmaceutical grade growth hormone per day is freakin sweet that changes bodybuilding that completely changes bodybuilding but to I you that's enough to be like 10 this stuff is fucking sick and it even has a cosmetic effect changes the way that you look so it if it's pharmaceutical grade. It doesn't even have to be that much just to I use per day and it makes a huge difference but the permanent gains that you're looking for as in it, like it changes the shape of your muscle somewhat and helps you gain more muscle cells and just get bigger overall, but it does not make you look like you're on drugs if you're not on drugs, so if you stop taking drugs and you took a bunch of growth hormone, then you stop taking drugs not going to look like you're on drugs. There's no way you can do that without taking drugs. Okay, and as far as permanent side effects gout yeah, like you said beside organ large amount. It's got its got side effects with enlarging things. So things can enlarge when you're taking growth hormone. And that is that the other side effects that it has is water retention and can increase your blood pressure because of that and it can do some things like it can have some nerve effects some more long. term nerve effects like a some tingling or falling asleep of your muscles in your hands or your feet or your elbows stuff like that like a and and there could be some some bits of nerve nerve tingling stuff that happens, you know for a year or two or six months or so after you stop using the growth hormone in generally that goes away, you know after as that happens, but other than that, not really, okay. The next question is from July and he says hi. I was wondering if an end of our only cycle would affect erections and libido. Yeah, it would because the the anavar so if you take a little bit of anavar something like 20 milligrams per day and you normally don't take steroids. So you're like natural. It won't completely shut off your testosterone. Usually it'll I cured your natural testosterone go to something like, you know around 50% of its natural levels or so while you're using the end of our so it decreases it. And then if you start using more milligrams of anavar to make up for that, then it does shut off your natural testosterone production. So if you're like, oh well since you know, I took, you know some anavar and then the my testosterone went down well now, you know, it's not giving me that much of the benefit because it took away some of my testosterone and then I'm basically replacing it with a little bit of Anavar, you know 10 20 milligrams or whatever. And so then you know, well now I'm going to take a hundred milligrams to make up for that, you know the testosterone being on well now you're making zero testosterone and so now your sex drive is going to be in the shit and your erection also is going to be the shit because the anavar it can't produce any estrogen and you got to have estrogen for proper brain function and feeling normal and for your libido and penis to work. You got to have a little bit of estrogen in your body to make that happen and make the whole process work, right? So you you know, if you can even take HCG with your freakin That will solve the problem. Okay, if you really just cannot get testosterone then if you could just take HCG at two to three thousand I use intramuscular injection two to three times per week with your aunt of our problem solved problem solved and you can take your and of our and not have libido issues. But if you take HCG again, make sure and if you take steroids in general make sure to have that freaking anti-estrogen tablet on hand because you don't want to end up with frequent it's do Good freaking breasts. That's not why you're doing this. Okay, if you're going to do this steroids, you can't skimp out on that part. I would never do that. People okay. Next question is what's a cycle question? It's not sure it's from actually. Oh, it's from Jerry question for you. I'm currently running 500 sustenance per week with 300 milligrams rip. Mix. Okay, Trend testosterone propionate Master on propionate. Okay, so I'm guessing it's 300 milligrams of each of those per week with a okay. He's running 300 milligrams tremble own testosterone propionate and Strong per week and he's so that's a total of 900 milligrams per week. And in addition to that. He's running 500 milligrams sustenance per week. So it's a total of one thousand four hundred milligrams of steroids per week. And he's also running d-ball 50 milligrams per day at the same time, which is another 350 milligrams per week. So he is at one thousand seven hundred fifty milligrams total steroids per week. He says that he's had really good results gained 17 to 18 pounds and really good strength. 'The he only has to mock second tamoxifen for an anti estrogen. Should he be using something different and how much could he increased these numbers except the d-ball if he's handling the side effects. Well, so how much could he increase the milligrams of the steroids that he's oozing if he is handling the side effects. Well well You know somebody wanted to go increasing the dosage they could increase the dosage by one milliliter or so per week or you know, each injection increased the dosage of each injection by half a milliliter or so. That's generally the way that that goes and then titrating upwards with the dosages, you know, once you get up to around 700 milligrams of tremble on per week and above dude life isn't comfortable. So that's pretty much how that goes. With the Nova decks, it seems I guess you're not having estrogen side effects and you're just using a Nova decks. The best way to limit estrogen side effects is Aromas in or letrozole or Arimidex because those reduce the level of estrogen in your body, but Nova decks tamoxifen only blocks the estrogen receptor. So you still have high estrogen levels in your body, but the estrogen receptor is blocked. and It's not healthy to have high estrogen levels. So it's always best to use one of the regular aromatase Inhibitors the rheumatics aromasin or letrozole to take care of estrogen. Okay. Next question is from Kevin. Hi bra first off love the podcast and the book Ultimate Guide to roids. It has given me so much valuable information question for your podcast. What is your recommended cutting cycle for beginners seems like everybody online is saying different shit. I'm thinking about different dosages and compounds. What do you think about testosterone? Combined with Winstrol Master on and a little bit of trend too much. Yeah, you have the best steroids there for fat burning you could say, you know, arguably super drawl is a better steroid for fat burning than when straw and pretty much equal for a hardening effect. But but not quite as good as Winstrol for that hardening effect the Cosmetic effect of looking more to find not quite as good but almost as good super jealous and it's probably a better recomposition agent, but it's Very toxic and Winstrol is still toxic, but it's less toxic. You can take Winstrol for you know, 50 milligrams for 8 to 12 weeks before getting sick for most people or six weeks at a minimum before getting sick for most people but you know, five milligrams taking super sorry five weeks taking super draw it more or less any dosage after that, you know, things are going to really suck. So it's going to force you to stop using it. So I don't you know, super tall is very strong, but I think that you said you're a beginner to you know, testosterone as a base 2 cc's of testosterone per week or so. If I was in your shoes, I would take one cc of testosterone and Aunt 8 or sippy innate or sustenance and I would do that twice a week and then on top of that since it's easy, I would take Winstrol at 50 milligrams per day and like if that was like my first cycle that would be sweet. That would give me results that I was going to be happy with and Be happy with my experience on on steroids for the first time. If I did that it would help your body composition. It would help you get stronger. It wouldn't make you look bloated. It would actually help you look more shapely and sharp and 3D and help you change your body composition and it would make it so that you know, if this was you're a beginner and you using that and you die in a calorie deficit, you're not losing any muscle you will you will still have some of the bulging look for of your muscles go down temporarily because of lack of glycogen. All Storage inside the muscles but as soon as you eat for a few days eat a lot of calories again, it'll go right back up. So it blocks the muscles from being broken down for you. I think that anavar would be another good one at the same dosage 50 milligrams. And if the person really didn't want to use an oral then they could use Prima Bolin or tremble own Master on really isn't that useful. Master on is like side effects City huge sex drive increase but you don't want to be like a masturbating freak or something like locked in your room and you know Master on really causes sexual impulses. Like it just has like a just come in your head. It's really weird. So just probe ayran and it's out of your hands. Once you take a dose more than 350 milligrams or 700 milligrams per week or so of Master on or probe iron per week. It's pretty much like out of your hands like control of your sexual appetite the impulses that you'll get doesn't mean that you have to act on them. I just mean that the impulses that you get is like out of control. So and that's reality. I'm not exaggerating not exaggerating. This even happens for guys who are natural and they just take Master on or not. I don't know about master on but definitely if they take probe ayran because because I've watched it happen in my natural friends who have taken probe iren when they were natural and watch the increase sex drive and it had them talk to me about it and say yes, it's having this effect for sure. So that's interesting the trend. Yeah, I wouldn't use the trend unless you want to be using the best stuff and be exposed to the side effects and and be you know, using the most best stuff that's affected towards your goal because yeah Trend will recomposition your body better than any other steroid. It will do the process of trading fat wait for muscle weight better than any other steroid, but just know that if you do want to lose fat the way to do that is Is you know being losing weight on the scale continually over time? Whatever you're doing with your steroids, whatever you're doing with anything. If you're trying to lose large amounts of fat not just a little bit of a fad or you know, some fat or something that you know, you're trying to lose like a significant amount of fat like 15 pounds or 20 pounds or so. There is no way to do that without moving the weight on the scale downwards. So You can use drugs to help you achieve that but again Trend blown doesn't really cause you to lose much weight unless it makes it so that you have no appetite then it could do that for you and usually during the first week of Trimble own use. Yeah, it does make you have no appetite but after that usually increases the appetite. tremble on what a funny chemical what a funny shitty chemical It's like a joke or something tremble on fucking asshole. Alright, the next question is from nippy. Hey, I'm listening to your podcast. I'm from turkey and I want to ask about an underground lab product with Andy on 20 milligrams. Oxymetholone 25 milligrams. Methyl testosterone five milligrams all in one pill. What do you think about this stack? It's a pre-workout stack the taking the myth and Ian own is Debo and oxymetholone is Ana draw and then methyl testosterone is orally available testosterone that doesn't get destroyed in your stomach. So testosterone on decanoic at tablets or capsules like Andrea all those for the most part get destroyed in your stomach. Some of the testosterone goes through but not much but methyl testosterone makes it the same as an oral steroid. I would wear it survives the liver and it's not healthy for the liver. So the liver has to get a bit a little bit strained to be dealing with it. So all oral steroids usually except for free mobile and maybe a couple others usually have that methyl thing that has some kind of an effect on the liver. So if you notice the name Smith and Ian own and oxymetholone, you know, that's D ball and Anna draw and then there's methyl testosterone. People take in taking a couple pills of that before your workout. It'll help you have a better workout. Is it going to be out of this world better workout? No, but will it be a lot better than your creatine pre-workout? Yeah. Will it be about equal to if you have no tolerance for black coffee? And then you have a drink of black coffee and go to the gym and have a great workout like that. Yeah. This will be about the same amount of benefit. In a different way, it's not going to give you that kind of crazy like energy like Limitless energy, but it is going to give you, you know a little bit more on your weights and Reps very tiny bit more and it's going to give you a good mental state very aggressive mental state and also it is going to help you get a better pump. So yeah, it works. Next question is from Milo and this is the last question of the day. Your book is awesome Ultimate Guide to roids already got so much information out of it, especially info on anti estrogens. However, I was wondering whenever I took aromasin before my muscles got really stiff is this normal on aromasin notice when the half-life was gone. The stiffness was also gone like stretching my Hamstrings would hurt when I was on the anti-estrogen. So what Half-Life refers to that that gets thrown around a lot and a lot of people it's kind of a hard word to understand. So what Half-Life means is after you take the drug and it peaks in your bloodstream how much time until that level is cut in half. So if you took 50 milligrams Of D ball and then the peak dosage of it. Hit your your bloodstream. Okay, then how much time does it take for that Peak dosage that's ever going to happen after it peaks in your system the most it will ever have the highest level in your blood that it will ever have that moment. How long does it take for your body to start metabolizing it breaking it down and excreting it so that only 25 Scent of that maximum sorry, so the only 50% half half life of that maximum achieved dosage is left in the body. How long does that take? That means the half-life? So Dianabol, for example, methane or Standalone Matt endian on the roles. Those are all names for Dianabol has a half-life of three to four hours and it peaks in the body about 45 minutes after ingesting it and then takes three or four hours for your body to cut that dose in half and excrete and metabolize breakdown destroy half of it to get it out of your system takes about three or four hours. So that's Diana bowls Half-Life with anti and that's that's half-life. And with the anti estrogens everybody responds to these things differently. If you have a bad experience on aromasin, I advise you to try a different anti-estrogen. There are different ones out there Arimidex letrozole and everybody responds differently to these XML stands usually the best because it's a steroid and it's a steroid that is really attracted to The aromatase enzyme that transforms testosterone into estrogen and so through doing that it eliminates the estrogen transforming enzyme the aromatase enzyme it eliminates it from your system and then your body can't create estrogen anymore because it tricks it because the existing is a steroid. That's very powerfully attracted to the exam Esten. All right. Sorry to the s to the estrogen exam S10 is very attracted to the estrogen molecules. They're very attracted to each other and then in activates it once the eggs invest and hits it. Okay, but the the Arimidex and the letrozole they're not steroids. There are different kind of chemical. Okay, for most people the eggs msdn makes them feel the best for some people though the room index and letrozole make them feel the best. This is one of those things that it's just Personal and you have to experiment with it kind of like how girls have to experiment with different brands of birth control until they get the right chemical they want because those are all different little, you know, birth control steroids to the same as you know, masculine steroids there. They've got to be able to be patented so they can't be you know for the most part, you know normal estrogen or normal progesterone. They have to be little slight mullet molecules molecular alterations to make them be able to be patented, you know, same thing like, you know anavar is a molecular. Alteration from testosterone so is prima Belen but they're all related to testosterone very closely same thing with birth control steroids. And yeah, some people just don't do well on a certain anti-estrogen drug. Make sure you get a blood test. If you're having trouble with your anti-estrogen drugs to make sure that your estrogen is in the good range because it sounds like for you if you're getting stiffness in your hamstrings and stiff joints that are hurting that sounds like Your estrogen level was too low. So take less dose. Don't take such a high dose. If you would like your questions to be answered on the steroids podcast go to steroids podcast.com and leave a comment with your questions or email or private message steroids podcast at gmail.com or steroids podcast on Instagram until next time.

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You're tuned in to AfterBuzz TV the ESPN of tv top now look, Okay, it is AfterBuzz TV your after shelf for The Challenge on MTV War of the Worlds episode 15 Death Race. And we kicked off the final tonight heat 124 miles. It was insane. It was very dangerous. We're going to get into everything. We got a full panel tonight. My name is Jenna bussiere. I'm joined by Dan linger into my left eye everybody. Hey dance, we got peligros Chill on the panel as well as David Christopher's I am here all here. We're ready to dive into this. We got a lot to unpack that is finals. Absolutely. Insane. Probably the craziest was seen in a very long time. We had at least four competitors pass out two of them left the game because of it. Well, we'll get more energy. But yeah, we're going to get into you know, the the logistics of everything exactly the obstacles they had to do the endurance their tribunal predictions will get into a little bit later. We're gonna get into Cara Maria. Needle phobia. We got a lot to unpack and break down. So that's what's on the agenda tonight. We have some news and gossip. Hopefully if we get to it, but kicking it off. So we just watched this episode. How are you guys feeling brutal? That was a brutal seriously, you know to see that many people literally just collapsing especially like, you know turbo who's literally training for this some of the girls that are just out of nowhere faint like that's intense. I mean, you're battling the heat you're battling, but how many miles is that was just ridiculous. Why? 424 plus you have the obstacles that you have to finish plus keep up with the other competitors. I mean that's like all around draining. It's crazy. It was intense. Yeah, I mean, yeah, that was so brutal that watching. It was exhausting. Yeah. MTV was like, oh challenge 33 was way too easy and everyone complained about it. So now you guys can suck on this and we're like what the hell just happened. It was crazy. It was crazy. I love this bottle so much. It was it looks so hard and this is again exactly what we wanted to compare. Go through but I have to pose a question. Do you guys think it was too hard because it's at this point that now some of their bodies are literally shutting down and even if you have the mental strength, you see that some of them still want to go they still have the fight in their hearts and in their mind, but they're passing out there shutting down, Georgia. Thanks bear is there right like ninjas eyes roll in the back of our heads. Do you think that production was ever worried while watching this in the truck or on standby? Like crap we might have something on our hands here, like people are going in the ambulance the Medics are on. Site, do you think it was a too hard at all? Yeah, I think production knew damn. Well what could happen and they're like this makes great TV. Let's see what happens. No, but I mean, honestly, I'm sorry Dan, but I don't want to see it's just you're in that situation there in the desert. They know what they're doing. Of course. There's going to be a high possibility that someone gets injured someone they know that's why the Medics on site that's what they're there for, you know, you know me being a guy that likes to these people being pushed to their limits. Even I felt a little bad I gotta be okay that was intense. Yeah, and when people are literally collapsed Saying and spasming out. I don't think it's too hard because clearly there will be some winners. So it's doable obviously and I guess it really is pushing it to the max. But again when you talk about this verse last season's challenge, it's like oh my God, what is going on here? You remember two seasons ago when their hardest thing was that having to put on night costumes. It was been done right like Kayla and Leroy and Kyle and car. They're all like have it is write nice things on and Source like and do like Janky carnival games and sure there were some Carnival type of games in this final but the level of intensity Yahweh that is increased in those finals. Absolutely insane. I mean, how about this how about three laps instead of four laps? Because how much extra footage they do. We need to watch of them running and biking like they didn't know they would have got the same result as far as people being tired and feel passing out. I mean he'll Georgia passed out on the first lap. They got that footage. Why do you need four laps? That's why Mom's not 24 right there your yeah even eat or something. I think the editing was really well done. It was entertaining enough the entire time and this is a final. This is like an amazing race Survivor type of final doesn't need to be that sort of sensationalize quick fast entertainment. Like we want to see and maybe the challenges or the eliminations to me for this being a final I was okay with it being several laps and Miles because that's what we're here for. We want to see them. Yeah. I thought the editing was fast-paced my home, please if you want to keep them safe, if you are worried about them passing out and we saw like almost all of them pass out. I mean ninjas eyes rolled back in her head if she fell off a bike. That's insane. I don't understand how George I had did so well with the tire rolling thing and couldn't even complete one lap if it was the Heat or what are you doing? We don't know what their it's are. They drinking enough water. Like what are these? What are they doing to pregame this big marathon Race? I don't know if like producers come out of them saying you have to eat this amount of food. You have to drink this much water. Like I don't know how they do what they're doing beforehand. It's hard to say it's because they beforehand with we not knowing there's something like that you think See what hopes that they would have some kind of. Hey, maybe I should eat this or laugh the drinking Terry something from what it look like. All of them are literally just need to hydrate it and then write also exhaustion. They got to be cut off from alcohol, right? There's no way that they should be allowed to drink with at least like four days in advance of this because alcohol stays in your system for a minute and running something like this for five hours and dry desert heat. Yeah, you can't have that in your system. They have to kind of stop that. Yeah, but I just don't understand how Wow, George again. I'm stuck on Georgia because she's been the sort of endurance Queen. So for her to tap out, I think she's literally and we saw is bear here. She must have had DNA like I think they were Delirious dehydrated Delirious or the combination of the Heat and the exertion. But the reason why it was a good child for I'm just going back and disagree with myself and going to watch out is that because of the way it was structured there was a little bit of strategy in the way that you could Here laughs yeah, like south or because Wes I think who completed maybe one of the puzzling? Yeah was pacing himself and taking breaks and getting it done. And I think that that was a good strategy. He finished second finger second. So it's kind of like theater fielder's choice of when you get over to the obstacles. Like how many do I want to complete? I'm already here. I knocked one out. Do I stay and try and complete all of them so I can play two or three and then keep running. It's kind of like do I want to do all the cardio at once? You do have that option where you could do right now four laps biking and running all at once and then get to the games and knock out every single game or you could do intervals and space yourselves. Right? What strategy would you guys take? I finish as many of those games I could just because I don't want to get stuck behind someone like Hunter did at the end there, but that's I know I was thinking the same thing. This is how I asked this question was I was going back and forth the entire time. It's like, oh, do you want to just knock out all the games right away and then just depend on your cardio and your endurance, but that's a lot to run at once. And it might be really nice to have a break. Yeah and its future please. Well, you could just chill for 25. Yeah, and that is the thing where I can go against my own theory is a lot of these people just timed out on their puzzle and they were just using that as rest time which is great. So, yeah, it's not a bad strategy which route which also ties into Western strategy where he was I think which was good. But at the same time he's playing it's a big gamble because he's essentially hoping that everybody else times out and you can finish ahead of them because if they don't as we solve Hunter wouldn't have got stuck behind in here in a timed out he sent you could have beat West yeah in the standings right? It's plain. It's taking a gamble. I think you're going to determine that by your body how its feeling because you do need a break. I think to try and knock it all out. It's probably not my pay. Let's maybe do if you can try and do too. That's what I'm saying. Then hit a couple of those puzzles in between slow it down, right? If you do 2 each time that gets you through three let you to 2 and then 1 c 2 T 1 that gives you three laps and you have to those Huff the last one and just deal with it. So that's why I was thinking of the hardest thing out of the way first like doing hill Sprints first and Walking right on the treadmill or something. If you're at the gym - yeah, and if you're a fast if you know back to is it too hard Wes and Theo were seemingly fine. They didn't seem to really be struggle. It's a fine. Let's scream when they were certainly exhausted but they were not like I'm shutting down I'm in pain. I mean Westside like my back is spasming when he was rolling the tire, but in terms of the endurance and actual running they were like, yeah, just some just going to keep going. Well, I mean Wes said he's in the best shape. His life and we all know about Theo being like apparently asked good good at everything. Right? So it's no it's no surprise to me that those two now. I mean consider we know we know we know what the finals which was just 124 miles and you know, they did great even really is like the sleeper of this whole season. Yeah, and we didn't see as much of him. We knew he was a great competitor and Olympic Athlete and we all were kind of like don't sleep on Theo but he didn't get a lot of camera time. So because of that it's like we're are I'm thinking turbo this entire time is going to kill it which of course he does. He apologize a sorry my body. I'm gonna keep it up. Yeah. He's just giving us everything we want from Turbo again. But yeah, we just didn't realize how good Theo. Well, this was literally his challenge to lose. He is a marathon runner and this was a marathon. So I mean, it's amazing that he did well, but I'm not super surprised if he's like built for this. Well that incredible after yeah, then he mentions he used to do spin so it's like, right For somebody who can do like when I Was a Race Car Driver I did. Yeah, I guess like in fifth grade. He like one this puzzle contest of like to building a Hyundai puzzles. As far as fast you can it like a hundred pieces. He did the past just made that up. The rate we're going against everything. Okay. Now that we've kind of done a little bit more than our overall thoughts. Let's break down this episode what kind of chronologically as the best of our ability will get down to the needy greedy. Okay, so we open up at the house. We asked to talk about turbo preparing for the final no one takes the challenge more seriously than turbo. This is absolutely hysterical at first. I was like, okay see just training like Rocky like he's doing the whole egg thing. He's got to eat an entire planet. 12 eggs and is going to run on the treadmill like this is just for training turns out he's doing it so that way he could be prepared for eating an entire heaping portion of food and then having to run after it right like 10 steps ahead of anybody who's ever competed on this challenge. No one's ever practice. Like write jokes on turbo if there's no anyone in the second round, by the way, which I mean they didn't show us much in the preview, but they look to be any food around so I don't know that sucks. But yeah good great preparation. That's intense man. That is crazy. Like dude. I've already said it but turbos my faith his Just intensive using mind is just it's out point. It was die for the assembly literally things that he says are just so great. Yes, he's talking about he's at the end about the IV in cardinality IVs like you need gasoline in the engine. And so true. That's very true. I love that. He says everything that's like slightly morbid with a smirk to he's like, no one else would die for this. Yeah. Yeah, but for poor turbo in this lunge did start to look like whether I was like he aged in this so he was sunburnt and sort of trained. I was like someone was like, right. Yeah, exactly exactly. He was like, alright musty body, but his body was like helicopter, which is a complete red herring. Oh, yeah, sickening just like jumping on tables like harnessing our inner stripper like loving this helicopter. And then we see this janky-ass truck pull up that does look like it's full of rust and tetanus and this is going to be called pain longer chain Locker. Hey Locker. Hey Locker. It's like oh this is gonna be their treacherous ride to the fire that just sounds so horrifying right off the bat like it might be like saw or something exactly. On the pain lock nobody wants that so and so wait the helicopter was just TJ's travel mug. I'm thinking they just spray paint those seats make them look Rusty, by the way. At Disneyland every week and I just need and so this is I'm all over the place clearly Daddy. Yeah the final and this is where we figure out what the format of the file is going to be one of the logistics. So they're going to be running on what we call the death path and it sure as hell looks like a death path. I mean two people nearly died first day. It's going to be 50 miles long. We got 24 miles tonight with several Killzone scattered throughout Kill Zone 1 Is six miles times 4 so this is a figure eight half of the course being biking half being Marathon running with five games five obstacles. You have to complete all of them the whole point of completing the obstacles. It's just too quick in your time. So you get the quickest time, but if you don't finish them you just time out and there's no like deficit or grenade or anything throw your way before we move on. You know the obstacles the endurance how everybody's performing Georgia Maddie kind of tapping out. Did you have something you'd like to tell the viewers eyes? We want to thank you for making us the ESP LTD talk. Obviously, we want you to leave, you know, five star rating on that iTunes over there and you know, leave us a comment over here and subscribe. Give us some give us some subscription. I'm gonna stare at Jenna as I say my Skrill, this is great now guys, thank you so much for being with us. And we really appreciate we love being here at AfterBuzz TV. So, please leave us a comment. Tell us how much you love after few TV AfterBuzz TV so we can stay on the air and you know do off Thang. We love our loyal live Chatters walk heart has always in their Shadow Patterson's always love to love love. Blown, I don't know if that really happened. But anyway, the final starts bam and we see them start stretching through the sand and immediately. I'm thinking I always think how hard it must be for them to do endurance challenge without any music because I completely enhance your workout and I always think that whenever I watch a challenge, I'm like damn they're doing this in the sun in the south in the heat no music no motivation. Also nothing but 24 miles ahead of them. Well, you're not doing it for A million dollars that when you are working out so there's a little more motivation but I feel yet the headphones dip out or something. It's like no it's the worst thing ever. I'm sitting there thinking with every step that goes by how awful this is. So we take off Theo's killing it Wes is killing it and then Jordan killing it right behind them in third place. We see her the first girl third place. She hops on this bike. She gets going then we see a lot of the people are using the strategy of walking the bike instead of writing it I guess maybe Tough terrain it's hard to write in the sand Hunter is walking and turbos even walking it. We see Georgia. She's riding it but then starts to kind of lose her mind her eyes her sight everything her help. She helps out the bike then she tries to like drag the bike with as if as if that's the best way to do it try and like throw it in front of her use all of her body weight and then all of a sudden like she's trying so hard and my heart goes out to her. I feel so bad. Yeah, that's what I was saying before like, All of their minds and their hearts are in this but she just can't do anything like she completely black. Yeah and the poor thing. She's like, I'm so embarrassed. She's saying she's so embarrassed. I felt so bad for right but I mean, you can't you can't knock her on that like she literally passed out like she was out. Yeah that point, you know what I mean? I wonder how long the producers left her in the sand like that just to see if she get back up before they actually came and helped her but she was out cause you no trouble like that is so Kick-Ass. It's just such great endurance like you think that she's going to get up you think that this is just like, okay. She needs a few minutes. Yeah. What point do they say? All right then for all the haters out there like oh George you shoulda kept going. She's asking if bear in America it was Gone with the Wind this girl cannot compete anymore. Remind me of when Leroy was telling us about how after he fell off the phone and fought in Russian or whatever. Yeah Carl friend was with he was asking God for something like no longer there I guess and I guess she just max all her energy out too hard in that heat too fast. Yea, I was even telling like you Jen member I was like, whoa. I'm like impressed. The George is in third position, right? She was kicking but I was super like stoked as like wow. I mean, I think like literally as she's getting that place where she was gassing out. She should have can't take a step back started drinking water. She's clearly dehydrated slow the heart rate get back to normal State catch your breath, you know, but she's trying to force it and just literally and we saw it hot and ended huh. We start we saw with Ninja that she sort of passed out. They've monitored her and said your body is checking out George. I'm assuming the medic said you are not like fit. Yeah, like there's no, you know as bear here, you know, there's no which also broke my heart. Yeah that because well then now cuz you know the future of that whole yeah on your deathbed of that point. Yeah that one person I guess you care about the most in right? Here's I don't know what Hawaii maybe she thought he was still in Africa or still somewhere around that maybe well, I don't think we saw that Morgan and bananas like hung out for a while before they left they were posted. Stuff all over the body just been hoping that he was at least like a few other thing drives away when you're delirious and you're like I want I want my bear. Like, it's my my you know, you want a comfort zone and into the I was surprised. I thought the same thing would have counted for her like once you're out you're out. I was surprised they let her go back in. Well, they checked I think they should check your Vital Signs. They were like, well, you're good to keep going. I mean, they just obviously just deducted the time of her sitting in a car ninja goes from eyes rolling in the back of her head looking like she's going needing to be helicoptered out of there on a gurney. On her deathbed to having the most energy out of anybody in this entire challenge for them to run around being so energetic. Like wow. I love this game. It's a gas dead five seconds and for the producers to disqualify her for having no control over body and just passing out. That would have been BS to me let her back and you guys put her in this situation. So she asked to pass out, you know, so yeah. I'm also that how do you guys feel about Maddie because we see Georgia. I think Georgia was more of a victim of her shoddy her body shutting down. Uh, yeah, Maddie kind of she's walking along. She's jogging a little bit here and there and then she just she comes to the conclusion to herself. Like I'm not going to make this. I'm gonna sit down do you think it's different? I mean David had the day I thought David was on point, but that was I was with David on it. I don't agree with Matty because I feel like the fact that when she was able to walk back. She's still coherent. She was still able to function like you made it that far you've gone through all that. I mean like you said Ninja literally passed out George. It was just done, you know, but ninja came back and so computer like she was just checked out mentally. You just gave up and to me. It's an experience of a lifetime. You never you might never ever get not through this again. You might not get to do it. And you know, your you can just walk the rest of it absolute walking right now just keep walking and finish your time and see what the next you're going to get IV that night. Like come on. Very true about you Pam. I don't know what to make of that. I kind of yeah, I'm having a hard time with it because we know TJ from what we saw it looked like she just sort of was like I can't and gave up and quit. We know TJ hates nothing more than a quitter. He didn't really shame her so it Leads me to believe she really was more shutdown than what we possibly song Anymore a little bit ashamed to live with a smoker but that but then also you got to look at turbo Turbo look to be in worse shape than even if you go to Hunter you look to be in pretty bad shape to and they both they both said screw it. I'm just gonna keep going know this challenge pushes you to your absolute limit when turbo falls down and we saw massaging rubbing out some sort of cramp something you had punch legs touching and that was sad to see but we see him get back up and finish but it's almost The point where I want to say that there's something to Maddie quitting but I almost don't consider quitting. I don't want to go. Yeah anybody quote-unquote, but I don't know if I'm disappointed in her or Georgia I disappointed. I don't think I can be because I cannot imagine what it's like to do what they did tonight. And if you're at the point again with Pam, I think that her body was shut down to the same point as the other two. I mean sure she did it fall over and maybe didn't pass out but I think she was still kind of on that level just her face and her mind. I was was fake was a better polarized but I thought you got it heading there she got so we didn't she didn't actually collapse. I think she still was headed are magic put my body through that so I know but but no and you guys quit you must have been at your limit turbo saying he will literally die. When if you're mad and you're not this is a situation where being big and strong like turbo and Maddie isn't as beneficial as being life like Theo and if turbo was that hurting and you're Maddie and you imagine feeling the same and going through that sort of for no, I mean not that she should quit but I do think if you're shutting down to that level, I'm definitely more forgiving for this. Yeah. I mean, it wasn't like we saw Georgia actually collapse after one lap Maddie at least did a few and did some things. I mean the fact that she stopped before she actually fell down dead. I don't really here's the thing though. I don't think we're seeing that we wouldn't have the opportunity to win. And dollars we're thinking of doing this for like as a freebie. Like we're just gonna go out tonight and run the streets of LA for free. No their get money if they win this thing. So unless I'm in Georgia's position and I'm thinking Bears coming to like be my hero and save me you're not just gonna keep going. Like I said, your butt is crawling dude right here. Like my daddy's had just as hard as all of them. Yeah great season. Yes, but this is where it counts just like they say it any sports right? Watch it. Everything counts in the finals like your whole season goes wiped away when The playoffs like know that had to go saying before so there's a difference between being sore and being injured right play through soreness. So you can run through a final if it's maybe like eight miles in the heat if it's 24 miles, there's a difference between being hurting and nearly died. And if they feel like they're literally going to die on more forgiving what was Maddie's injury. She wasn't it? No I'm saying but just the analogy of it can play through soreness right enough sleep, but you can trust daily play through a torn MCL, you know a torn ACL, okay. A broken leg like there's yeah hurt and sort of what you do. You think Maddie should have continued know I think that all these people that are nearly died are basically or sorry injured rather than store Jenna saying I think if I can surmise are we calling this a quit or a body failed hard because all right. Let's go around the room real quick. It's a great job. So I'll say quit as well and somewhere in between. Was it tips towards the quit because if you had literally keep going and you stop then it's a quit but I thought this was so hard but again of all and props to this season because these people are not Kayla and you know, Jamie these are turbo and the oh, these are athletes like this is a different level of competition and also props to Wes and Hunter for doing as well as they're doing right now because I don't think Ashley what? A 1 if this was the fact, you know what I'm saying? Like this is a different levels. This is an interesting thought there for sure. So let's take a bow. He's blue and he's just kind of do you think it's experience? Yeah. Absolutely. No. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he's playing a good many. I'm just prepping to it's everything he did before we saw him on TV this time. He said he's in the best shape of his life. So setting up his little rookies in advance was smart. He does play it smart. Himself, he Paces himself. Yeah, Wes is great and it was using Burgers is getting protein. He throw he's thrown out quotes. Like if you're not a little scared, you're not prepare you go stirring the pot so you can see flowers right there. Can we move it? Because we are running out of time. What do you guys think about the obstacles when they finally got to the checkpoint the mini games the games? So some of them are kind of janky some of the kind of carnival games. I'm gonna the ring toss. How can people so good at this right? I would say what finally when car locked up. I was like finally someone someone sucks at this. Everybody's like be lying is way that that wasn't the hardest game though. The hardest get paged was no pussy. I pyramid scheme that we can what is it? No, I don't even know what it is. Nobody knew what to do II saw them. Try to him like you want that's only one West. Did he got that one? No, it's okay. No, I didn't hear it's keyboards. I don't think we were supposed to know is viewers. I think you know, when did what up BS game? That was? Yeah. I don't think they were allowed to say it by name but West described it as a you know, a popular mathematics game, but with color so it seems my legs. You think they legally can say. Oh actually Hunter said security. And appreciation moment for Hunter because he has be doing a puzzle and like he's like it doesn't matter if I'm fresh or if I'm tired. This is what's gonna happen. Like I was hysterically laughing like he got the he got the ball stick pushing the ball game Rampage. He got that one Hunter Hunter do that to me personally seemed like the easiest one realistically. I think I did okay on that. Well, I think that I think the tire through the whole know that's that's pretty challenging. Yeah, that was hard turbo again. Superhero turbo Charmaine ahead of himself. He didn't know his own strength. He rolled in. He wrote like miles have to go run and chase it. The 20 miles is super strength rolled it. Do you guys think he think these games could have been harder are you happy with how they was happy? I think they really were almost a resting point. They're justified by if you get wrecked because it provided a lot of Comedy to and just yeah and Cara's comment game was on point tonight more than usual with like I loved her car to let me say I start car was so cute. When she said come on little ball. Would you come on what's happening to me? As you can see it's a fluke car one not the people are saying it's a fluke. We know she's a good competitor, but it's like to win again. Yeah, no one can take that away from you. You're proving you deserve to be waiting these things and I want that for her car was hysterical is that she was good and I love that she kept chugging along because she kind of got off to a rough start heard Hunter. I'm really proud of because it looked like those are the ones that might aha quit like carbs like, oh, I can't walk. I can't run but she finish it completely announced weeks her experience her endurance and her mentality until we get It and tell right? Oh God. Yeah. Yeah, I think everybody who's stayed it competed really? Well, like I don't sleep video knocked out of the park with West right behind him and turbo, but I think Hunter sure he would he finished last but I still think I'm proud of him for even finishing be finished. He's the worst at endurance. I think Cara she chugged along she stay with it. She did really good and she was hysterical and yeah, yeah and ninja but from zero like literally Into being awesome. So everybody who stuck with it ended up finishing great, even though they were crawling and Crawling by the time this was done. I think I think they timed out at 20 minutes because car finished at 6:43 and Hunter didn't get to finish till 703 and he timed out on that final puzzle. He had to wait for her. So I think they got 20 minutes to complete each one if I'm doing my math 125. Okay, we actually said 25. Yeah, I think the first place he's at five hours 34 minutes west of in second place at 5 hours 44 minutes. Okay, only 10 minutes behind wow, turbos and third and five hours 50 minutes nearly six hours ninja finishes with six hours 35 minutes cars behind were her behind her 10 minutes six hours 43 Hunters. Only one that finishes in the 7:00 hour time slot seven hours three minutes, so kind of behind the pack, but that could also be due to car has pyramid scheme. 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We love this because now someone after they can't even walk you see how much pain they're in and then they're going to have to probably go into a head-to-head elimination and I'm just like this is the best final ever. Yeah. Well that mean that was like the greatest You see all this so broken and beaten up like you're just like you feel bad for him. And it's like here we go with the truck. Exactly. Yeah. So should we then hop back into the pail awkard? So everybody happening good takes Ankara phobia for needles. Come on Cara. That's fine. Come on Cara. You are jumping out of planes. You are swimming and climbing ropes and running 50 miles a needle that's gonna refresh your body, especially as a health a fitness. Bert suck it up I get it finally a phobia. She's obviously very scared of needles I get it but we're not talking about having a buzzsaw to the brain. We are talking about in the tornado perking she's never given blood up the doctor that's gonna hit actually if you want to win you need to be re hydrated as turbo said I hate it too. I loved everything about car this episode except that but like couldn't cover your arm. It was so extra like come on that was sort of like a mentality thing. Check out here T hydrated your heated your yeah. It's been a long day. But at the same time if I'm if I'm Theo and cars tell me to cut off my arm, like scary. Go check take a look. It's in a book reading want to get the hell out of here. Here's the thing from a guy that it believe or not. I hate needles like I really hate it. Like it has a lot of tattoos, but I hate needles and so I sympathize with her. I tried to get it but that is a situation where you have to suck it up your body just like yeah, you need that IV like you need it and she should be smarter than that. I wish I would have even taken out of Polly was here. He told me to do it. If she did it. It was ridiculous that she's not going to get the hydration. She needs. Okay. Look. Yeah great. You have a phobia of needles that sucks. And I feel bad for you to close your eyes and help your body out everyone everyone in the live chat. Like oh people have phobia. Well guy, you're trying to help her. You've never see you. Don't you don't go get a physical car and give blood you did. So it's happened. You've done it before it's all you've never done million dollar just so scared of needles that she's willing to deprive her body of what it needs, but she's just Shoot yourself in the foot if it comes down to the final. Yeah, but here is her take on another she commented on the challenge MTV awesome Instagram. And she said in the meantime, I will be sure to laugh at all of you for being terrified of lame shit like being buried alive or lying in a coffin of snakes Etc. That should would it make me bad an eyelash. We are all effed up and our own unique ways. I'm a superhero. I don't pass out of finals one banana in 23 miles and 24 hours and I Soldier on what Banana, if I have one bananas like and by three our office desk job on like I need food those things that she's comparing it to aren't going to revive you. So saying being scared of being in a coffin. It's stupid. I'm scared of snakes. My previous things are shitty million dollar bills and re hydrated and nourished. I would touch a snake. I would be terrified. I mean that like heart gripping palpitation fear. I have with snakes. Oh, I get it. Like, you know, if I just stick my I don't know if I could do what if I had Million dollars and it was going to nourish me I do it. Okay, so well, you know, she's gonna thank our freaks out he freaks out. Yeah, shall we get into some predictions for this tribunal? I'm so excited about this sure we're digging for that. I'm just mad because I want her to win. So I'm like your medicine girl. Okay, so let's get into the tribute only get we see Wes Theo and turbo on the head of the a tribunal they come out and we ended on a cliffhanger obviously and we also lost like an extra minute or two with our feed. So we have no idea who they're going to pick to go into this tribunal. So it's they can pick between Cara ninja and Hunter and it's Theo turbo and West picking who do you guys think is going in? Well, I don't even understand how it's gonna work. So they just pick one person. They maybe get a time to duct like they can't disqualify him from the game. You think that I don't think is gonna go that far. That's not that's that's PS that would be so I don't know I agree with I don't even know are they going to pick someone and then that person pick someone and they do a traditional elimination round. Are they gonna pick someone to have to have a sleep outside in the cold night breakfast in the morning something like that or a penalty? I mean, honestly, I know hunters and last place. I think they're gonna I think they're gonna put hunter in because they don't know what that next day is maybe it's something we have to be super strong or something. I want Hunter to do well, so I think the for a hunter in the tribunal, I don't know what that means. They're gonna do ninja eating its own engine. Okay? Yeah because Theo was partnered with Cara so That's an alliance Wes is with Hunter Hunter and sort of card. No relationship with Ninja and turbo has an active chemical look at it now though. It's so late. And like it's the last little bit like like like like wet cares now west doesn't care at this point, but I feel like nobody has this particular Alliance to ninja so if anyone's going to get picked, it's her. What do you guys think? It's a good call politically. Yeah. I wasn't thinking politics just off of you know, the sir formance. Maybe I've already entered second-to-last both of them. So they're also less Rach she's also right she's in fourth. Yes. Yeah just on paper without even thinking heavily about the politics. I was just thinking Cara because she freaked out over the IV and everybody was kind of like, oh, that's okay. I take that back because that might make them want to keep her right? Right, right. So they probably will do ninja because ninja did really well on the first heat and obviously, yeah out our endurance like she almost died. I got back up and did it and did it with flying colors with the most energy of a toddler. So they're probably going to try and get her out. Yeah, you get it. Hunter I was thinking they might want to keep around because he has the longest time. Well, let's be real here and every tribe, you know, they've chosen to people to go against each other. So if they do do what Hunter versus ninja yes, I mean that's mean saying well if they can stand on one leg on a platform. There's got to be something that's going to be obviously in theory. They got to pick two people. Well the way it always breaks down is that the person they picked picks, but they still talk. Okay fair enough, you're right. But either way there's your there's any to so who's the other person we're going to pick up. Right. My prediction is that it's not going to be a head-to-head. And so I hope not because God I like I like the standing on a pole all night. That's that'd be crazy. Some people that I think I know what I like that's funny to me. I like that one, which is so brutal. I don't want to do it but I like to watch it. I liked it. I liked to hear them all get mad. Yeah. Oh no, I'm really excited for next week. I think that's the last episode right and then a 3 unit I would think so. Oh you guys gonna think is gonna win this whole thing I sang. I mean, I mean he was performing. I guess I will say, you know turbos my guy. I want to root for Turbo just going strictly off a performance right now. I say Theo has it. I mean, how could you not write the second leg of this more of the same like the he thinks that it's 50 miles total. We see turbo pass out. So it's clearly they're still running or they're moving another 25 miles or whatever. They got 26 to make it like I don't want to laugh at all. But the fact that turbo said he would literally die for this and then they keep showing him my guy. Those producers tricking us. So therefore it must mean that turbos gonna win right downhill slide ride. Like is there some sort of hopefully they're not going to put them through this again. These people are incredible because I could never do this the way when we see that about every challenge a marathon runner. He said he's never run that much. That's true. I can do this. It is insane that really pushing themselves. Oh my God our does anybody have anything before we quickly go to news and gossip? Let's do it. Let's now that Shut up to ask the vindictive on Twitter. Thank you so much for tweeting at Pam Dan. And I don't think you're on a date. Thanks. Thank you. I'm sure a lot of you guys have you seen this already? But if you have it be sure to check out the bananas and Wes Mari clip is just absolutely ridiculous and hysterical because they do the entire like Mari package where it's like not black and white but almost a distilled like discolored. Was he package, but it's like a crime show last walking in Coloma walking in the street bananas on top of a building. I mean we're obsessed with who if Wes is obsessed with me and then wasn't like Johnny just is so intimidated on the hottest Ginger that has ever lived that it's like what is going on at Mari? Well, if they if you ever watch more in the 90s like I did they do it's a great parody of exactly what they would do with like real life situations other people are obviously just making fun, which is really great. Daddy yeah, that's what it is. It's a lot of texture test is all it is. Yeah, that's probably for the entire time was a paternal test, right? So do they have a kid or they adopting a kid together? Like what's the bombshell here? But it was just a lie detector over who's more obsessed with her. Did you see quickly to see when they showed West as a baby in the episode? Hey, did you see what they said underneath baby West they said the baby hates all baby food with bananas and I was like, that's cute. That's funny Q. Yeah. Mara and take a look at that maybe a little bit more on the bear situation according to what was it called like Jay the JJ report and we're not going to dwell too long on this but as bear here, no bear is with a 15 year old that he's well aware of the fact that she's underage. The JJ report said that it's well known in the area, but she's not get 16 and that the Instagram that he sends deleted is playing a song about underage girls. So I think the whole he he didn't know poor bears. Is kind of out the window. It's almost like he's acknowledging it and posting a bike rally and Instagram. So he's apparently taking I don't know. I didn't see that script but the background song is like she's 15. She's underage. Right? So like what it's very bright right very bad timing and that's problematic for someone who's everyone in the neighborhood or wherever knows about her. She must be sort of a local tart. I don't know. It's like like her name and age has been printed in several States apparently, so it should be no surprise that she was underage right but with bear It's an Instagram. I think it was a selfie story that he posted as well is that he looks like he's in the next season because he's like, oh mercy. I'm leaving next Tuesday for filming for the show. So I guess no one cares about what just happened is probably already done and dusted all the sudden and three doesn't care about maybe having a pedophile. Let's get this. I mean, it's super illegal here and it yet he's gonna be on season 34 maybe not in England. Maybe she's allowed to hang out at the pub but and and you can pick up and about 15. Yeah. That's a quick quickly. Here's my news and gossip speaking of challenge 34 apparently bananas is going to be on it and according and according to King Skyfall 96 on Instagram. He hit me up DM and said that it's going to be bananas final session. Oh, no, that's what I've been told who else is rumored cast of 34. Do we always at? There's yeah, they're all I looked at her. Mommy. They got some big got some good ones. Yeah and ECT. I don't think I saw a CT on their he's like a maybe they had like a yes maybe and I know it's a shock that out. I believe Jake. He was a know if you guys have any JP lovers out there. I can't say she leaning a people here that I think she means to know as well, but we can't hate on her anymore. Shuffle never occurred to me. You can say the saline line over and over again. I love it because each time I go who and laughing you're bad. Yeah, I believe that if we are correct. It looks like season 34. They took off Her filming yesterday. I think or today I got hurt today to yeah film now and then also if you're in the MTV family looks like Ex on the Beach season 3 I did film and that it's wrapped down the people who are rumored to be on the cast are now popping up on social media app. So look out for that soon as well. Okay, there we go tonight. Thank you guys for being with us insane final. I'm so excited to see who wins and hopefully everybody finishes going forward and no wheels past. I hope so true. Thank you guys so much for being with us. My name is Jenna underscore Bussy, actually. Coming underscore underscore its derailed guys. It's derail Delirious from the eat carrots. Don't do that made an where are you? My name is d-dan Lindgren. You can find me at Daniel lingered all dang it. 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It’s the first leg of the final and the competitors almost lose both their legs on a 24 mile marathon. The Challengers play mini games that would put Mario Party games to shame. Poor Georgia calls out for her teddy Bear to hold her at tight at night. Turbo agrees to die and Cara does too by passing on the IV. About The Challenge After Show: The Challenge, a mix between Real World and Road Rules Challenge, featuring alumni from the past shows as the contestants compete for a cash prize, is such an insane show, we HAVE to talk about it! That's why we have THE CHALLENGE AFTER SHOW! Tune in here for reviews, recaps and in-depth discussions of the latest episodes, as well as the insider scoop from cast and crew members on the show as we go crazy. It's going to get bananas because there's basically a different guest each week! About The Challenge:  It's every player for himself in this edition of the long-running reality competition "The Challenge," which for the first time shuns team play and awards a final prize that could exceed $500,000 to one person. The fun begins with 28 cast members -- fan favorites from "The Challenge" joined by contestants from "Big Brother" and stars from MTV UK's "Ex on the Beach" and "Geordie Shore" -- in Spain looking to settle personal vendettas. In a new twist, players who survive grueling elimination rounds are awarded "Grenades," allowing them a chance to get even with anyone in the house with whom they may have a beef. It adds up to a competition spiced with heightened drama, doubt and deception. --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast.

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First of all, I just got all this stat sent to me about what you and State Farm have been able to do for the caliph California wildfire relief incredible work fun, sir. Thank you. Yeah, they've been you know a great partner for a long time with you know, some good commercials and and then this last year obviously, you know, what? Our neighborhood of good they are at their already do a ton of great stuff. But you know when I felt compelled to help out, you know the area I grew up in really, you know, they stepped up and donate $1,000,000 alongside me and you know, it's been it's been tough for those Folks up there in Northern California, but I think you know, we've been a lot of great great people helped by the donations and State Farm and some other amazing Folks up in the north state and really across the you know crossing over. California and in the country, so it's been fun to see people come together for some some great folks. I mean the people of Paradise Lost Their town and thousands 40,000 people were displaced. So there was a great least 60 actually about about the paradise football program recently. I saw that was pretty cool the kind of highlighted just how devastating of an impact it was, you know, not just on head football team and but on the people there and the displacement and what their day-to-day life. Change from you know, having a home and a place to go to school and a football team and they're in the playoffs to you know, they have no home. They have no football season. They're doing classes in some Warehouse the whole life has changed upside down these you know, 15 16 17 milk is trying to figure it out. So it's been you know, it's been cool to see the North State start to rebuild and to really bad fires in two years has been been tough on those good folks. Yeah, because we see it on the news the wild fires going and we see the destruction that we don't hear about it again. You don't really think think about the post-fire life for a lot of people and you can help out Aaron Rodgers in State Farm right now helping out California wildfire victims at neighborhood of good.com incredible stuff that you're doing giving back to your community very lucky to call you a friend and I think the world is lucky to have you now. It's a best friend. But thank you all can I say that I've said it I don't you already have for your but with you on the phone. It's all yours sensation. By the way, you're going everywhere man. This is it's been fun. Watch I mean knowing you for so long now and seeing where you were to where you've come. It's you know, it's a rags-to-riches story and I'm so proud of you. Now when you followed me on Twitter, it was a couple years back. I was like, oh my God the greatest football player of all time just followed me and then I got a chance to meet you and your like this incredibly cool dude, but you don't talk to people much like in the media so you never get to hear it. So now I get a chance to chat with you every once in a while and I think what people have Misunderstood is that you're like one of the coolest dudes ever exist. I mean we see the mustache we see the costumes in the training camp and we see you on a football field laughing and having a good time. But I think deep down and even with this California wildfire stuff like you're just a good dude who just so happens to have a cannon attached to that right shoulder of yours. Well, sometimes I wish that I was a brand member your brand, you know, so I'd get some some videos every now and then so I do enjoy following your reactions to some of these, you know, A big tackle or a big kick butt but thanks man. I appreciate that. And I'm you know, I'm glad the world is finally getting to see the real you. I feel like you've been such an enigma for so long and nobody really knew what Pat McAfee was all about. And now they do and Thursday night any time on ESPN podcast foam NFL version be a showdown boom. Hey championed by the way, undefeated in golf tournaments. Nobody ever wear your belt around. It's right here in the studio still it's a little bit. Heavy to be honest, you guys made it too. Nice out. We should just got like knockoff belts. I'd be able to wear it more because these are like 30-pound belts. Well, that's for the core. You know, it's incredible. Right? Let's talk about the Green Bay Packers. Let's leave out this last week which happens to every good team has a situation other than the 72 Dolphins where you have a little bit of a speed bump game. You called it a piece of Humble Pie. What did you mean by that? Were you guys cuz you're hanging 50 on everybody looking so damn good. You think some people lost focus in What do you think? Hey what I just think it was one of those, you know perfect storms. If you will, we just had a long trip. I don't think we were as doubt in as we have been the past we played a team that didn't their ability and their their focus and their will didn't match their record. And that's the team that won I think 12 games last year. It's the football team, you know, a great veteran quarterback and a lot of Pride on both sides of the ball and the They played harder and played smarter and blade more focused. And we you know, kind of took it took it on the chin. I think, you know can be good for you when you take a bad loss like that if you respond and hopefully we have the leadership and the The grit to respond properly so it just wasn't wasn't a good trip for us and then wasn't it wasn't a good game. Obviously and that happens. By the way. This is something that happens with humans is the way it goes in the NFL but they're so quick of a turn around the NFL you can't have pity for you. Just got to move forward. That's what the season is because if you let one loss become two losses than your a week or two never and what the team looked like that you guys had before this Chargers game was a team that looked like you guys were having a blast. I mean that Nation that candy combo that NFL films caught between you and the floor about he wanted six touchdowns and you went out there and got it. And then the Aaron Jones having forty five touchdowns and you not being the main focal point of that offense what has happened between you and the floor and that offense and has made it really hum this year so far, but first a touching you on your original point, which was a good one. I think the key like we talked about yesterday was, you know, we can't be a fun loving and happy dancing, you know celebrating family. You know when it when it's going good, you know, we can't be frontrunners those type of teams don't end up achieving greatness at the end of season. We got to be a team of six together through adversity and I was proud of the responses in the guys who spoke of yesterday and the conversations are being had in the positivity moving forward from a tough day, but it has been a lot of fun with Matt, you know, Matt is Personality-wise a little different than me. So it's been fun to you know to loosen them up a little bit of the sidelines and and joke with them and see is, you know, relax nature come out a little bit. I mean cuz he's just such a driven driven guy, you know, he's a grinder. He's driven to be successful in the wind and loves it. And you know, it's been it's been a really good working relationship. I think the relationship quarterback the play callers been really good to and just trying to get on the same page now, obviously we were Bet on offense Sunday, but you know, I think we've been we had been really improving every week before last week and we just ran into a team that was that would better than us on Sunday. We just saw a video of you dancing at practice great Rhythm. Yeah. Thanks for showing us. I was hashtag Friday feeling from the Green Bay Packers. Social media team. This dude's the absolute best best friend. He said it. I said frame. He said best friend have I said best friend before when he wasn't around? Yes. Did he hear that? Yes, but he confirmed it best friend. Aaron Rodgers absolutely crushing it wait till the second half of this interview this conversation joining get deep with the Aaron Raj a Raj ay-ay-ron Rogers. 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Escape.com that's 20% off and free shipping manscaped.com code Pat what has been what is the difference between this offense in the offense that you ran for so long of your NFL career what has been like the biggest difference is it like the word the wording of things the style of things the strategy because this the first time you've had to learn a brand new offense and I think it's something as a very intelligent man that you are you in Jeopardy all the time. You almost looked at as a challenge and I assume you're enjoying it. Yeah, why don't you just answer once you to ask the questions and ask for me back with you? I feel like you're inside my head right now. All right. Next question. I don't know the difference of the offenses. That is something that ya know. The difference is its it is a brand new system. I think from a schematic standpoint. We do a lot more condensed formations, you know bunches and stacks and then motion, you know on a lot of plays. So we're constantly stressing defense on strength and I discipline where the old offense, you know, we kind of we pride ourselves on being you with rhythm and timing and went in one-on-one matchups and we obviously did that for a number of years the Davante Adams comes back. What does he add to your team? Because you guys had a lot of success without them and then it comes back and now you get to add another weapon now granted Chargers game is an anomaly for your offense. Now that you have Davante Adams back. What does he add other than just being an explosive player? Well, he is an explosive player and I think teams have to figure out how they're going to play. You know, he's progressed every week health-wise. That's the most important thing because you know, the toe injury is not a that's not something that just instantly gets better than goes away. I keep seeing other star receivers deal with similar injuries, and we're you know, we're hoping that That he you know continues progressed with that and feels comfortable running the entire route tree moving forward, but he's a dynamic player with the ball in his hands and we just got to keep finding ways to give him the ball. I think in his in his absence. We you know, we've found a way to win with, you know, Allen Lazard and Jake. Umm, row and Aaron Jones and Jamaal Williams out of the backfield making plays and we got to keep doing those things because those you know, those are really positive for us and great matchups in our favor, you know through formations and splits and Mention good scheme, we got to keep doing that kind of stuff and allow davontea to seamlessly transition back into being the one receiver. How about that defense? You guys have man immediately after that Bears game week one. I think I've talked to you about this before you said that the Bears defense is going to give a lot of people fits they have but you also said hey, we got a defense and it seems like that is something you're incredibly happy about as you should be instead of just having to win every game on the offensive side of the ball. It seems like you have a defense that can really do some damage for you guys. Yeah, we do. We do. You know really like I pass rush, you know as we saw on Sunday, if you can win with a pass rush of for you know, you're going to have a pretty good time on defense and that's what San Diego was able to do and that's why they you know stymie too most of the day and that's what I think we can do with our defense and we have done this season is get after the four-man rush and then be able to cover it up on the backend really. Well, obviously the Darius and press and they're having great. Seasons with their number of sacks, they've gotten but for us it's been more than that. It's been the leadership. They've brought to the locker room. And then the fun I mean, you know Captain fun is probably the Darius Smith. I mean he is a fun-loving guy and he's he's been a really positive force in our locker room and much like I'm sure you were an indie for years Pat. Hey, that's a big deal. I don't think that never gets the paycheck that it should but that is a massive part of being a part of a team is a good locker room guy. I agree. I'm not no no BS I agree. Have we ever figured out who the hell you were in Game of Thrones? We're still looking. I'm gonna watch the come one time see if I can see more than a partial face shot, but Yeah, the fact that the internet thought you were that guy that couldn't run was one of the most disrespectful things I've ever seen in my life. Yes. It was interesting for sure. Anything outside of football going on is your life just completely football whatever the season starts now balance. My friend balance is very important instead of have to have balance. I'm always looking for a new Scotch to try. So any recommendations from you or the boys pass those along? Hi, forget what it was. I think my friend's dad some would argue. He's an alcoholic entities Glenfiddich is his thing right? Is that it Glenfiddich? It's a single malt scotch so you don't get hungover as what he says. Glenfiddich yes. Fantastic. Are you a single malt guy or mix blend now, I'm Single for the same reason he is. Why is he does? He's an alcoholic. He doesn't want to be hungover. There's no sugars in it. Got a meeting. That's in a circle. Have you sitting movies or watching television? Like what is a night of balance for you? And Danica you listen to music. She's like super into yoga. I've noticed are you like becoming a super spiritual guy? What is your life like off the field emission definitely spiritual. I love the yoga. Gotta watch Jeopardy at six o'clock if I can or tape it, you know, it's a big big part of my day. I'm hooked on documentary. Now the IFC show that's on Netflix now a Bill Hader and Fred Armisen the parity the you know, some famous documentaries absolutely fantastic trying to get trying to find another show to get into was in the afterlife with Ricky Gervais for a while if your Ricky Gervais fan, it's basically him at it's fine. Ernest dark comedy beautiful much like the British office. Yeah, man Biggs is there's a lot of sports going on recently, you know the World Series finishing up the Bucks basketball starting up and you'll get off to a fast start with 5 and 2, so I got enough to keep busy and And you know, we got this season we're going through to now sit. I was called a bum because I don't know much about baseball, but I said this Nationals team felt like a team of Destiny was I dumb for saying that or did I mean it worked out for me? So I see I've told people a genius but do you think that team of Destiny or momentum type thing is a real thing in sports, especially his sport that revolves around one person pitching good I do bad. But I feel like you need to give yourself more credit you have that voice for you could basically say anything and with your inflection and your Energy and your delivery it's going to sound great. The Nationals were a team of Destiny. Tell me why they were are you I didn't think based on already know how do you know? You're a big baseball guy know I did, you know, I'm not I can't say I'm a huge baseball guy. Just I enjoy laughs. I think that's everybody on then good stories another washing and I had a really good story. Yeah. Well, I was bummed out the Brewers got beat, but will you live at we live in Wisconsin forever? Because I'm That you've met you your Brewers fan. You're a box fan. The Wisconsin team looks up to you. You're a hero. I mean everywhere you go up there. What is future for Aaron Rodgers you think back, California? Come on, Pat, you know the answer to this, Wisconsin no. No, I mean, I I think I'd love to split time between California and maybe a state that doesn't have a 13-point to state income tax on done. But I'm always Gonna Keep some sort of residents powder because you know, I have the ties to the Bucks obviously and hopefully In finish my career here and the Packers do a great job of making former players, you know for really welcome coming back and still being a part of the family which I've always appreciated since day one when I got to meet Bart Starr and Mike's McGee and fuzzy and Paul hornung Jerry Kramer and you know all the greats over the years. They do a really good job of keeping those guys around and a part of the program and a part of the family and so, you know, hopefully always be the part of this family and Have a spot out here. Well, I'm going to live where it's a little warmer. That's probably smart and you've deserved it. You've worked your ass off and you've done nothing but perform for the Green Bay Packers. The last time you were on I mentioned how I got the chance to see you and Brett Favre interacted at golf tournament that we want and beat the hell out of the MBA at in everybody was kind of mind-blowing about that you and Brett Favre being friends. I assume is nothing but good for your life and still has been it's fantastic. It really is. I mean, I love Brent I always had a great appreciation form. but we were caught in the middle of a you know, a power struggle that unfortunately, you know broke apart bread and and Packers and bread myself and you know, I do give a lot of credit to more man who's produced the ESPYs and NFL owners over the years and and she knows both brother and I and and kind of approached us about doing something at the honors years ago and That was kind of the beginning of everything coming back together. We had we presented an award together and we had a surprisingly because most of the stuff on stage at award shows the superscripted and fake and doesn't go very well very but it was like it was a really authentic moment where we didn't really talk about what we're going to do on stage besides reading our lines and then kind of reacting and we had like a handshake and a some reactions and that was like the beginning I think for for Off and Brett and maybe the fans of like, hey, it's time to Let's patch things up. Like it's this is important relationship for Packer fans moving forward. It was an important relationship for me and it's been great to have him as a really really close friend. He definitely Rivals you and eyes friendship at so you should be a little jealous about that. I'm sure you saw that on the course, but but it's been great having bread back in my life and it's been a lot of fun. Is it the clock will fit? I'll go to CVS right now by all. The work you've done with State Farm not only in the commercials is very entertaining and enjoyable but this neighborhood of good raising money for California wildfire victims is Amazing 2 million plus counting. You can help out Aaron and State Farm by going to Neighborhood of good.com and donating people helping people. That's what it's all about. Aaron. Can't wait to watch you in the Packers. Get back on track. Yeah big thanks to State Farm and big thanks to you pack. Keep up the good work. Look man, I love the Thursday nights. You're doing a hell of a job changing the way that we consume sport. So keep up the good work now. Hey, that means a lot man, and I'll tell you what one day. I'll get the commentator game you play in I was there for one who got hurt early and I will I can't wait to see what comes flying out of my mouth because your magic to watch on the field and your incredible off the field. Ladies and gentlemen, absolute Legend Aaron Rodgers. Thank you. Bob. Good dude. 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It was unlike a camera. And what did you tweet you tweeted something about like that. You've been there or done that what was that about? That was fantastic remember that what you swallowed at? Exactly. That is a rich eyes inner. That's a rich not Rich Eisen. That is a Rich Rodriguez staple right there the Look Away yell. He's so angry he wants to yell so loud, but he has to look down and away from you. So he doesn't just project all of his spit on you and he's so mad. That is something that I've been on the other end. A couple of times in front of that for to was that he heard five different stories about what happened last night. I had a team camaraderie building barbecue at my house. It was not a party. He told me straight to my face. I was not allowed to have any party. So I did not have a party. I had a team camaraderie building barbecue at my house. It started at 8 p.m. It ended at like 2 a.m. Yeah, but nonetheless team camaraderie Builder and three of my teammates It's left that party and got arrested later that evening. So the next morning I had to go in and he pulled me into his office and it was that same reaction from the video you saw of him in the booth punching are yelling and he said I've heard three blasts damn stories about what happened last night and they all start at your mother Trucking house, and I had to tell him that I have a duplex. I was having a barbeque and how connected to my house they were having the party so I can understand where the confusion is and he made me run the stuff to the stadium for two weeks before 6 a.m. Stadium. So he could not accept the the the issue of the detail that couldn't be your house because you actually lived in a duplex. He did not accept that pal. He rejected the issue with this is the fire marshal got called to this party every police. Officer in Morgantown was called it as party to let us have it. So my story did not check out with literally of anybody of authority that had the city sir. If Rod so, I mean I thought it was valid though. If there were two separate houses that were connected and I was having a barbeque there were having a party but I could easily see how the fire marshal the chief and Sheriff what I'll be confused about that be here on the Rich Eisen show. All right, man. That's why I call you America's sweetheart. That is just fantastic the old team camaraderie building barbecue had to come up with that one on the Fly. I'm going to be honest. We had no clue what was going to happen at that party. We thought Rich right? I got to everybody. Nobody was going to come. Instead everybody can coaches players police officers felt like the entire town of Morgantown. Was potentially in the front yard of our duplex. I told everybody to leave but the other half of the house just kept the party going and who am I to not partake in a party happening in my front yard. It's the least I could do. We had a blast sucks. There's dudes got arrested them be honest kind of put a black eye on the whole thing. It was actually a legit party that was back when the soldier boy was popping off. You Soulja Boy off in this hoe watch me. Crank it watch me roll Watch Me Hit that man out. Hold on one me. You people are doing that on tables in front yard. I think at one point two cops had flashlights on two people doing that. Like it was a spotlight. We had on her life that night best team camaraderie building barbecue I've ever went to in my entire life. Big news big big news was broken on the internet yesterday. I have added another job. I have added another job. I am not in the booth, which I was not a hundred percent for because I don't want to be a sideline guy mostly because I've seen Molly McGrath do it and it is a lot of work and you only get a certain number of times on camera and if you miss it, it's a whole. I mean, it's tough. Be a site. It's much harder to be a silent partner than people could ever imagine just from watching football games, by the way, but instead I was told that there's this field analyst position in the XFL where I am going to be given unprecedented access in during games. You might see me in a huddle. You might see me talking to a coach immediately after he makes a terrible decision may be talking to a ref about a call. I guess. They're just going to let me roam down there with an open mic and talk to whoever whenever about whatever. Ooh, and I'm assuming that's going to make for pretty good television. I don't know how the game is going to be. I don't know how the actual teams are going to be. But I do know me getting to ask a question. Like what the hell were you thinking there is going to make for pretty good television, I think and I'm excited to do it. I'm not sure I'll be there every single week but it's been worked in there that first week will be there. Let's see how it goes and I'm assuming that all of her luck in the XFL after my first week on the sidelines. They're going to have some questions the ESPN. Why was McAfee in the Huddle in the Quarter, I'm sure you won't have any suggestions. I throw in there while you're in that hole. Hey, you guys have been really doing well with the flea flickers. Let's do maybe a triple pass. Hey guys. I just let him know. I think they should do a triple bond system. I mean, it should be interesting though. I think it's going to be a good time. I've never met the other two people that I'm calling the game with ever in my entire life. So that should be a lot of fun. Who are the other two. I don't know. I don't know. When does That season start. I don't directly after the Super Bowl. So I mean this season this fall season has been what we like to call quite a run. One and don't worry though. It's not stopping not stopping at all. I had a lot of questions about a lot of these things but the Beautiful People The Experiment. Okay, we'll take care of you. And also we think this position that has been added to the coverage of the game is one of your going to thrive in and I was like, all right, maybe let's see how it goes field analyst on the on the field more than I was when I was punching it. It's gonna be a good time sounds like a CIA positioner. That's like Elvis. I watch that thing where you wanted to be a field agent field agent. Yeah. You want to be an undercover. agent Story Time Adams That's from the movie. Obviously only like 45 people saw the movie. So nobody else are really understand that reference. Shout it to 0 that I didn't watch it, you know just made a reference to a movie that nobody watches including himself. I appreciate that. Apparently the Elvis want met with the president President Nixon President Nixon on a and Nixon basically had this set of rules for Elvis and Elvis is people had this set of rules for Nixon and how we should talk to Elvis and how Elvis is Dr. Nixon and Elvis Just wanting their kick his feet up on his table jacked all of his peanut M&Ms and just really establish Alpha status on Nixon immediately pretty good little movie. Actually. I don't remember the name of it. I was the king. Just did whatever he wanted. I mean he ended in a pretty poor fashion. I mean banana and peanut butter right on the toilet in the movie. They show him emptying the clip on his televisions in his theater. I mean think had a pretty angry life there towards the end. Other than that pretty good little career 1051. I'm pumped about that XFL stuff. By the way. I have a feeling it's going to be tough for you to watch that football and not want to strap the pads on and gold couple out there. Well that has been an issue this for I mean, I see Jacoby go down. What do I do? I merely put on the bandana put on the Horseshoe t-shirt start slinging it around the office blow up a beer can first swing. I mean, I'm the arm was feeling good too. I was taking holes out of the brick there behind the thing. I feel like I can really swing a little bit cardio is going to be an issue though. I mean I ran to the bathroom here in between breaks got winded coming back didn't think we're gonna be able to finish the show. So that's going to be a little bit tough and I assume that the offense of lineman not great in the XFL. So those quarterbacks are going to be getting slammed around. Yeah. I don't know if I'd kick or punch in a league ever again, but if quarterback becomes available and I can run more than ten yards without dying. I might want to get involved. But by the way with this field analyst thing I think I'm going to be basically playing quarterback. I'll be right behind the guy, you know, ha ha can't wait to hear the guidelines that they have for me what I'm allowed in when I'm not allowed to do there's a the ball like that one down. Not what if I'm sprinting next time like Tyree kill was that God not only am I wearing cleats out there like we're designing the like what design like a pair of Jays but we'll put cleats on the bottom. My suit will be full on like adaptable. I'll probably worth it. Yeah Flex payment now granted these games are happening in very cold conditions. I mean this isn't Beware in March here. Some of the teams are based in like New York and other places it's going to be cold as hell out there. Oh, yeah, that means I'm gonna have to move more. So look for me to stay active. I'm gonna start doing jumping jacks on a daily basis so I don't die on me are down there, but they're saying I get unprecedented access. I'm ready to go. Should be good. I mean at tell you what the DC Defenders they might as well not even play the League this year because DC is going to go undefeated. They're gonna win the whole damn thing. I've looked a little tape. That's my team for this year. You got your in your in your own for tree. There's gonna be some good football there. Who's the customer pet DC the fact incidentally? I do not know whatever team Connor Cook is on book it Hammer them. He's the face of the XFL right now. I think I'm the face of the Earth. Having we might as well just start calling it for what it is. This field analyst position is a brand new position in football. It's in a brand new league. Let's assume I'm gonna have a good opening week. Oh you and Trent Richardson are going to get a chance to Hash it out on the field term which is and I have no problems. I just wish he played football better for the cold. Yeah, but now you can tell him when to Sig instead of zagging. Okay. Try it on man. Hey, it's next time whatever. You're feeling fade yourself. I'm gonna start doing that with gambling. I think I'm gonna start, you know again when I think I'm gonna be like, Hey go this way. Now. Let's go the other way. I think I'm gonna have to that should be a blast. I honestly have no clue what they're going to allow me to do whenever I started rambling off all those things on the show, but what they're going to let me do I was not told any of that. I'm just kind of letting it all out there and see what they say, you know, everything you just said, you can't do instead the XFL tweeted it out. So anything else you guys are looking for me to do let's go ahead and let it fly. I really do think they want to reimagine. The football broadcast which I respect and appreciate and I'm pumped to get out there. I'm pumped to get in the mix. I'm pumped to ask questions that we haven't been able to ask in the past. Speaking of asking questions. These rankings are a bunch of bullshit. I do believe that these college football playoff rankings are only put out for people like us for people that have shows so that they can generate conversation about college football because right now who knows what's going to happen the rest of the year, who knows what teams going to show up on what team is he going to show up? But right now to generate conversation and to generate Buzz the college football playoff committee put out their first official first for in they are as follows. In fourth place hailing from State College, Pennsylvania Penn State who take on the Minnesota roads opponent Gophers this weekend PJ Fleck just signed a seven-year extension probably worth millions and millions of dollars and I could even fathom with a buyout is they just signed him because the FSU job just opened up the SC job supposed to open up potentially Notre Dame jobs going to open up. And if you're a guy who's had success everywhere you go. You'll need to go for soon undefeated start that 18 knows that these schools that have big old pockets are probably going to try to come get old Sky you Mama PJ Fleck nekton mentality always hungry. Never fool wanting more motivational speaker PJ Fleck by the way comes on our show gets a seven-year contract extension just goes to show you. I mean, I think probably worth 30 million dollars at least that thing's probably worth 50 million dollars. I was going to say I would guess he's probably making what to stay there like at least four to five million a year probably five million a year seven times five. Click math 35. Yes. Probably 40 million dollars the buyouts probably 20 million like Old Willie Taggart had down there at FSU. These college coaches are in a good spot. If you're a good coach you're in a good spot because this college football landscape never is settled unless you are a big dog speaking of big dogs number three, Alabama Nick Saban's Alabama Squad. Is it number three right now? Is that potentially because we don't know what's up with two is ankle do we not know how to will hold up for the rest of the year? Why is Alabama at number three nobody knows? Number two down here in the bayou kocho in the boys brand new offense been able to slice and dice teams no more with a team. That's just going to pound you to death on offense and then suffocate you on defense. The LSU Tigers are now a team that takes it to other teams with Joe burrow lighten it up potential Heisman winner. Number two team LSU and the number one rated team by the college football playoff committee who I got to hear a few of them speak at the college. Ball orientation program that he has been put on a cup holder White's talking older lights Ohio State V Ohio State number one team in the land, which is interesting because Urban Meyer's name is such a hot commodity in this coaching world, he leaves and her team gets better somehow and the reason why I believe is because Chase Young on defense aside a lot of people argue and he's the best player in all of college football and then you talk to people who are in the know who know things about stuff especially this type of stuff. Guy from The Elite 11 camp and has been around knows all the quarterbacks. He says Justin Fields is the best quarterback in the country and it's not even close. I'm like, wait a minute more than that are bear kid over in Oregon is supposed to get drivers are better than him. Like what about Joe Burrell better and him Justin Fields, I guess is the truth. So when you have the best player on offense on one team and the best player on defense on the same team that makes sense that their number one that they're up there in there. But if you're Clemson and your the tiger fans you like a what the hell is going on here the hell's On is Dabo Swinney Stewart coach. Yeah, it's Trevor Lawrence in that main still taking Snaps for us. Yeah, he started out a little rocky. Yeah. Yeah, he won a national championship as a freshman took over the world, of course is going to have a little bit of an off season of fun away from his parents for the first time away from Quarterback Camps our first time away from quarterback counselors for the first time. No matter how humble you are. When you're on top of the world is an 18 year old. It's probably gonna be a little bit difficult not to look around and smell a little bit. It is true. So he stumbled out of the gate a little bit and by stumble they still won. I think you still through like 18 touchdowns or something like that or a hundred touchdowns in the first week. He just threw a couple pics they didn't look great. They struggled against UNC. So now Clemson falls out of the top four and if you're inside your finger, like what the hell is going on here, but everybody knows that at the end of the season Clemson is going to continue to roll continue to roll in they'll be in it at the end. It's almost like the college football playoff committee did this strictly so why would say the Clemson deserves to be in there so that everybody will talk up Clemson who's the reigning National Champion? It's kind of a smart move. Which leads me to the next point is this list? All Bs thought about this is just a complete. It's just complete BS and mean absolutely nothing. Are you telling me that I'm talking about something that means Nothing sure feels like it because who cares what if Ohio State goes out there and loses the next four games. Well, I saw it at least eight teams, I think still control their own destiny. And if they went out they could get in so LSU and Alabama play each other what this weekend and I'm Penn State and Ohio State are going to play in what two or three weeks so it's gonna be completely different. So right now what we are reading is a list of who the best teams in the country are From a group of people. We don't know who they are. So an anonymous group of humans who are in a very powerful position released a list of their best teams in the country and this is them so I guess we had talked about it because those said people are the ones that pick the for playoffs at the end. So now at least we get a chance to see inside their brain to see which way they're leaning who they're looking at. Obviously, they like the Big Ten a lot and they like the SEC which everybody's going to know and since I've got a chance to call their servers and I came to I've gotten a chance to kind of be bop around the country. In chat with coaches and the conversation always turns towards the playoffs always when I sat down with David Shaw Stanford and wasn't just me. It was the whole crew. We asked him about it and Stanford used to be very prominent prominent program Heisman winners lot of NFL players, but they're in the Pac-12 which is kind of a victim of the East Coast bias over there. We asked him about the playoffs and what they should do and he said oh, yeah, he thinks there's a pretty easy answer and I agree with them the NFL player. The NCAA football playoffs should be a teams. Everybody knows this should be the champions from the power five conference has so let's make the Championships in the actual conference play means something even if a team loses early, they still have a chance to win their championship of their league. They should get in let's take the five champions from the power 5 leaks just makes too much sense. And in the last three spots those are at large bid. So if another UCF comes through and just wins like 75 games in a row, but they never get a chance. It's to play against anybody because they didn't know that they were going to be that good whenever they were scheduling games for the next four years. Give them an at-large bid if Georgia who struggled against South Carolina Early in the season, can you tell me who get hot put them in there if Minnesota goes on and dominates all year and losses in the Big Ten championship against a team that's already in the playoff. Why not give it to them. What about the Baylor Bears who are currently undefeated they'd be in there because the Big 12 Championship, but what if Oklahoma wins and they're in there then let that committee. Based on who the three at-large are let the conference's decide who the 5r and then whammy everybody's happy? We got more games. We got more money. We got more opportunity for schools that think that they should have opportunities like the PAC 12 schools, which they should by the way, it just it simplifies everything in everything makes sense college football is big thing is every game matters. And I guess that's accurate but I think a much more accurate statement would be every game matters until you lose your first one until you lose your first one and then once you lose your first one see you later, you're probably not going to be in the college football playoff conversation. If you're not in a sec or not in a big tent if you're in any other conference, other than those once you lose one game sayonara your team might as well not even exist that hurts attendance that hurts everything that hurts ratings whenever people are like This game doesn't really matter and back in the day by the way Fiesta Bowl. I got a chance to win one of those with the team. I was on awesome Sugar Bowl. I got the chance to win one of those Mac one day awesome. All these bowl games that used to be so revered. They mean nothing anymore. Nothing people don't even play in them. Nothing matters anymore other than the college football playoff. So to act as if every game matters not granted, they're still getting a stipend the kids are still getting an extra two weeks of practice to get better for the next season. Yes, they get it. Another chance to play football and play football and represent their school. But in the grand scheme of things, it doesn't matter like Fiesta Bowl championship whenever whenever we won that a BCS was a big deal huge deal. BCS was a huge deal now granted the BCS only happened because the NCAA sold its rights to declare a champion to the BCS, right? So we had a BCS champion of the BCS Bowls. They did that. So you go to the NCAA Hall of Fame and they would have the d 1 double a champion is their champion because they sold their rights to declare a champion so that This a hilarious thing, but everybody wanted to play off. I was on a team by the way. They wanted to play off bad bad bad our West Virginia team in the Big East conference was not given a lot of love. We want a lot of games where a dominant a lot and if we had this eight school thing, I think we would have gotten at large bid. I think we would have been able to sneak in and made something play but there's a lot of teams that are still suffering from that right now. Yes, the four game was better than what it used to be and I think that's kind of their thing. Will do you want to go back to the BCS know everybody hate the BCS? I mean, I love the mountain bike. I got for playing in the Sugar Bowl. I love getting a chance to go to Atlanta in Scottsdale and Charlotte in Jacksonville with the team to play in a bowl game and to win them. I love those opportunities but in the grand scheme of things if we're going to talk for real, none of those games matter than the playoff game and if you lose one game you're out of the big times conversation. David shot reference the USC team from a couple years ago. They lost early the Alabama. I guess they just got trampled then they bring in Sam d'Arnaud to play quarterback and they didn't lose again. But since they lost Alabama Early their name because they were in a pack 12 was basically thrown out but if they would have got in that team would have beat anybody and that's just the way it goes. If you're not in the SEC or the Big Ten if you lose a game you're out of conversation every game matters until you lose one and I think there's a lot of those stories around college football. I think there's a A lot of people are probably agree with me. I think the only people that don't agree with me or probably Alabama LSU, right big name schools. The old guards the old guards which by the way congrats to them. The ability to stay on top for that long is not easy. It's just like the Patriots. It's very hard to do that but I think there's a lot of teams that are kind of on the outside. They're like, hey, we want to take a swing at these dudes. We want to take a swing at saving now Granite any time you swing at something that big there's a chance you might eat a couple right in the face. There's a chance for a couple buzzsaw blowouts, and he's playoff games. But that happens in the NFL playoffs that happens in every form of playoffs in high school you play playoffs. In Little League, you play playoffs in the NFL you play playoffs, but in college is just for game fourteen playoff. It's like come on they say well, they don't want them to go an extra week or whatever will start to season a week earlier easy easy peasy. And let's just move forward and make college football what it truly is not only the best environment but the best football product that could possibly be sounds good to me pretty happy. We just fix that was the least we could do. I mean college football. I'm now a voice of it Thursday Night Football, by the way, that's why we're in Tampa. Who's this? This is the Rednecks on Broadway by Dave James. I think the Rednecks on Broadway would agree with me now with college football without a doubt. I think everybody would have. All right, if you have anything to say to me tweet me we can't take calls because we're in the back of the box truck. Tweet me tell me your thoughts. I will hope maybe out, you know, I'm either right or I learned if you're right. I'm open-minded. I don't stick by things. Unless I'm right unless I'm right if I'm right. I was stick with it. I view that in everything by the way if I feel a certain way. And I'm like we're going with it. I don't care what anybody else has to say, but if you have something that's better than me. I'll go fair play. Let's do that and keep it moving. So if you tweet me something that's better than the eighth game playoff. I think Harbaugh Drew up some 11 gameplay off or something and Excel spreadsheet, which I enjoy a lot. I like the thought that it generates so much Buzz because imagine if Clemson didn't get it being undefeated being the national champion last year right be like what the hell are we doing? Well known that also changes the entire Dynamic of the Season why schedule a good team at the start? Why not play like a one-day a school and just beat the hell out of em, there's no reason to go play Alabama other than you're making money. Well that it's hard for teams that are smaller to schedule good games. Right? So like our West Virginia team there were teams to do want to play us so we couldn't get them because of what could potentially happen early in the year, you know what I mean? Right. So it's like a very difficult thing to do athletic directors. Got to get to work the NFL ratings each week whenever they come out. I guess the internet enjoys listening me break these down these things do well on the internet. So I'm going to give it a go right now and I don't care what you think at home. These are my opinions. Okay, the number one psycho 10 to 1 or 1 to 10 10 to 1 to 1. Alright intense place the home team for Los Angeles the law. Los Angeles Rams who started out like dog grumpy have all of a sudden started to play good football. They get a bye week last week. Nobody knows if they got better or worse, but let's assume that McVeigh the young whiz kids going to figure something out last year. There were in the Super Bowl the beginning of this year. Everybody was like what is happening over there? They try to keep to lie about Aqib Talib hilarious interview on Colin Cowherd Yesterday, by the way. I'm excited for keep to leave to do more media. If he doesn't go and play for the Dolphins, which he said by the way, if they're trained for me they want me to play. Perform deep sleep was very cool. But the Los Angeles Rams bring in Jalen Ramsey a guy who can go on an island. If you need them, maybe maybe reboots that entire team in a confidence level in the con level of the Los Angeles Rams number nine, Minnesota Vikings, Minnesota Vikings Kirk Cousins, Adam thielen got a pulled hammy. Will he come back? We don't know maybe arrested so he doesn't get in a game and then out of a game where you have them in a game plan. Then he can't use him that seemed to be a problem for Them last week although Kirk Cousins in a Minnesota Vikings offense seem to be good all the way up until this past week. Was it just a little stumble in a fall? We'll find out going forward number nine ranked team number eight a man who thought he lost his eyeball. Then threw a touchdown two weeks ago took a trip to England in took a Jaguars team Straight to Hell a bald out DeShaun Watson quarterback in the Houston Texans are now the number 8th ranked team in the NFL. according to ESPN Green Bay Packers at number seven a little piece of Humble Pie this weekend in Rogers came on our show yesterday said he loved the way the team bounced back after the loss and NFL season is too quick. You can't mope over losses or one loss becomes to two becomes three. Aaron Rodgers said some things after the game like a our preparation wasn't the greatest we needed to do this. We needed this game. Keep it moving here. We are now on Wednesday talk to him on Tuesday. He said he likes the way the teams responded. I feel like the Green Bay Packers are going to get Back in on the right foot and I think Davante Adams is going to become a weapon for them as he transitions back into that offense nicely the defense very very good. Still they even prove that this past week good Thai they need to be they need to know how to stop the run. That's the down the stretch here. They're going to be challenged and they got to be able to stop the run and tie Schmidt is an owner of the Packers to win late in December and in the playoffs, there's two key rules that basically everybody lives by you ought to be able to run the ball and you'll be able to stop the run. One if the Packers can't stop the run. Will that be Doom for them later on in the season? We're lawyer and Rogers be able to keep up with any team. No matter what's going to have to it. Sounds like number six the Seattle Seahawks who just added Josh Gordon unbelievable football being played right now by Russell Wilson Tyler Lockett in the entire Seahawks gang. They don't play great defense. So it's always a shootout look for backdoor covers against the Seattle Seahawks for the rest of the year. But now they got Josh Gordon who I assume is going to open things up even more for Russell Wilson look for Russell. Didn't win the MVP if it's not Aaron Rodgers. Number 5 Kansas City Chiefs. I have no clue why this is happening. I guess it's all because of potential and what they could potentially be how they could potentially play. Yes. They are loaded from top to bottom their defense is playing a lot better than they were at the beginning of the Season. They're getting Patrick Mahomes back. They have all their weapons. And Andy Reid is still their head coach, but they've lost games with Patrick Mahomes playing. I don't know why they're still ranked as high but I will tell you this anytime they're on television. I'm going to tune in I'm going to watch I do hope that they make an Stay in the playoff strictly for that reason and that reason alone number for the Baltimore Ravens this Lamar Jackson LED team that has the ability to do things that no other team can do they have three tight ends sets with Hollywood Brown in there. They go with a pistol and two backs next to him that offensive line says, hey you want to talk about every other offensive line? That's cool with us. We got Yonder who everybody says the best offensive lineman in history and we got a quarterback that can make people Miss. He's a mixture of Le'Veon Bell Michael Vick and economically. Throw the ball a little bit. I like the way Lamar Jackson plays football. I think what he has you can't coach which means it's hard to coach against because whenever you're coaching against an offense what you're trying to look for is Tendencies and what they're supposed to do Lamar Jackson debunks all of that. He does whatever the hell the Mark Jackson wants to do. They go as he goes, let's just hope he doesn't go down from a big-time shot. Any given point looks like he's been able to handle that type of stuff before who knows. It's the National Football League number three the New Orleans Saints welcome back Drew Brees gives a motivational speech. The port Purdue Boilermakers refuses to talk to the punters and kickers. Do I hate him for that? No partners and kickers motivate themselves. They don't need any outside forces to come in and make them feel ready for a game. But I like Drew Brees. I like his atmosphere. I like his energy. I like what he does in any time you get to play Donner's Superdome. It is awesome. I mean, it is an incredible place and that st. Steam whenever Teddy Bridgewater was in learned that they can win without Drew Brees has armed they learned that latavius Murray can win a game for you. They learned that the offensive line is good to learn that the defense in play that only juices them up going further. Look for the New Orleans Saints to be good and probably end in a terribly heartbreaking than like the last two years the Minneapolis Miracle than the phantom No pass interference call that changed the game of football completely by the way. Number two team New England Patriots lose to the Ravens pretty bad 3720 still ranked number-two strictly because they're the New England Patriots and you should show them that type of respect. Let's assume that the AFC runs through the New England Patriots. The New England Patriots say hey, it doesn't want through us anymore. They have a pretty tough upcoming schedule the New England Patriots could potentially lose a couple games. But let's always assume that Bill Belichick Tom Brady Josh McDaniels, and the boys are going to be able to figure out when it matters most real football for them doesn't start till after Thanksgiving. We still have a couple weeks for that and the number one team in the ESPN rankings. The San Francisco 49ers John Lynch cow Shanahan Jimmy G Richard Sherman George, kiddo Emmanuel Sanders hide the whole team over there is hot that team is playing good football, but and I say this every single time Arizona Cardinals took them to task 28:25 came back late. You have a lot closer than the entire game. I get it but that Niners team with an incredible player in Bosa probably going to be the rookie MVP conversation of VP talk for him that team is very very good. They have not been tested yet. But on Monday Night Football they play the Seattle Seahawks. I'll be excited to watch this game. 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This is optimal living daily episode 1105 the difference between experiments and goals how to balance spontaneity with a focused Pursuit Of Fame by Cal Newport of Cal Newport.com, and I'm just a moloch happy Thursday and welcome to one of the only podcast in the world where blogs are narrated to you for free with permission from the author's it's an award-winning podcast. Thanks to you the listener and thank you for being part of my Weekly Newsletter if you're on that if you're not you can Get quotes life tips free spreadsheets help you optimize your life and hear about what I'm reading or watching stuff like that. Plus your entered into book Raffles on the first of every month. If you're part of that all free just go to old podcast.com to join for now. Let's get right to today's post and start optimizing your life. The difference between experiments and goals how to balance spontaneity with the focused Pursuit Of Fame by Cal Newport of Cal Newport.com. To start or not to start three weeks ago. I published a controversial post titled getting started is overrated my basic point. If you want to become truly impressive, you have to focus on a small number of things for a long period of time to the exclusion of other activities. I don't like the just get started approach to accomplishment because it makes exclusive Focus difficult as Steve Martin taught us getting good enough to reap major rewards requires incredible dedication. Asian jumping at every project that catches your attention derails such monastic devotion instead. I suggested you should resist starting resist until you're absolutely sure that a Pursuit is perfect for you. Only then will you be able to give it the long-term dedication required anything less waste time as you can read in the comments to the original article and in been Kaz noches response this pose generated a lot of discussion some people agreed for Well, Stella said quote great post having worked for a large multinational travel agency that forced a culture of starch down my throat for many years. I've become very skeptical of the Richard Branson type of entrepreneur over the years. I've had many business and investment ideas that I'm so glad I never got around to and quote on the other hand many others disagreed such as grad hacker quote starting is often the best form of research and how do you develop a passion without starting? Something and quote and Ben who noted quote some tasks give feedback faster. If undertaking right away in a small dose as opposed to analyzing it from afar take Cal's examples. If you want to become a writer sure you can talk to writers and study the profession but is there a better way to understand whether writing gird your loins and actually putting pen to paper and to quote the odd loin references side. We are faced here with a clear dilemma who is right. I was struggling with a good answer my seat. Wisdom and both points of view when a real gift came along but gift delivered from my friend Scott young who recently posted an insightful dissection of this issue his approach brings Clarity to a confusing situation. It goes as follows separating experiments from goals. Scott makes the following observation quote. I like to separate my pursues into to broader categories experiments and goals experiments are the activities you take with almost zero. Amendment goals are beyond the stage of experimenting this is when you've had enough experience in an area that you want to accomplish something important within it be careful about getting caught in the middle Zone. This is an area which is no longer an experiment but you don't have the focus and commitment to achieve anything meaningful having lots of activities in this middle Zone means you're wasting a lot of energy that could be better spent achieving something important or finding new opportunities and to quote right on Scott. I think this model captures the best of both sides of the getting started debate. It's okay to have both high value goals, which require Focus to the exclusion of other high-value goals and small low commitment experiments which require a small amount of time and are used only to explore the real insight is to note that separation is key. The danger is letting an experiment reach a middle Zone in which it starts sapping time and energy away from your high value goals, but it's still not Sing meaningful results after thinking about this model for a few days. I want to add a few thoughts of my own number one make a distinction between achievements and habits this discussion becomes clearer when we separate out our lifestyle habits such as Fitness Reading social events and even minor Hobbies like biking or joining a kickball team these all fall under the category of enjoying your life. They don't compete with your high value goals. You can identify them by the following 2 Phillips. Features one they aren't meant to provide large rewards and to their primary purpose is your day-to-day happiness when I say don't get started. I'm not talking about these habits jump in and out of these Miss much as you like number two use experiments to explore potential new high-value goals unlike habits experiments exist for the sole purpose of investigating whether a given Pursuit might be worth transforming into a high-value goal as many of you pointed out. Jumping in and trying something at a low non-committal level can be a good way to investigate whether or not to commit to that goal in the long term. Number three keep experiments obligation free the easiest way to have an experiment slide into that dangerous middle zone is to have it start generating regular time obligations the best experiments require time only at your discretion. You can if you want stop at the spur of the moment or put it aside for six months without any negative consequences. Has for example don't experiment with becoming a journalist by taking a demanding 20 hour a week copy editor position with your college newspaper instead work on submitting some unsolicited op-eds. Only once you're ready to really commit should you jump into the time-consuming obligation heavy entry-level work number four stop experimenting once our goal slots are filled. This is perhaps the hardest advice for people to hear once you've settled on the one two, three high-value goals that you want to commit to The number depends on your situation a student, for example again support more high-value goals in a first-year investment banker stop experimenting your attention needs to be focused on getting good at your long-term Pursuits, even though experimenting with new Pursuits is more fun. You should only start experimenting again. If you complete one of your high value goals or start to really question whether you should replace one a number five experimenting within the confines of a high-value goal. However is always allowed Loud, I must add a crucial distinction that I think causes some havoc in the discussion over at Ben's blog within the confines of a given high-value goal experimenting is good expose yourself to Randomness. Try lots of different angles to make progress anyone who achieve something very impressive will probably credit at least some Serendipity along the way the key. However is that this random moment happened usually after they committed themselves to the general direction, for example, if you want to start a business You might want to experiment that first with several small ideas and random networking events. This all falls under the rubric of your entrepreneur goal don't however spend three months taking a screenwriting course, that would be an unrelated experiment. I find this topic fascinating but there are as we've seen already uncountable variations and issues that arise this is roughly what has worked so far for me. You just listen to The Post titled the difference between experiments and goals how to balance spontaneity with a focus Pursuit Of Fame by Cal Newport of Cal Newport.com. A real quick. Thanks to anchor for hosting this podcast. Anchor is the easiest way to make a podcast. They'll distribute your podcast for you. So it can be heard everywhere Spotify Apple podcasts Google podcasts and many more you can easily make money from your podcast to with no minimum listenership. Anchor gives you everything you need in one place for free which you can use right from your phone or computer creation tools allow you to record and edit your podcast. So it sounds great download the anchor app or go to a anchor dot fm to get started Thank you for being here and listening every day and I'll be back tomorrow where your optimal life away.

Cal Newport of the Study Hacks blog shares the difference between experiments and goals and how to balance spontaneity with the focused pursuit of fame. Episode 1105: The Difference Between Experiments and Goals: How to Balance Spontaneity with the Focused Pursuit of Fame Cal Newport is an Associate Professor of Computer Science at Georgetown University, who specializes in the theory of distributed algorithms. He previously earned his Ph.D. from MIT in 2009 and graduated from Dartmouth College in 2004. In addition to studying the theoretical foundations of our digital age as a professor, Newport also writes about the impact of these technologies on the world of work. His most recent book, Deep Work, argues that focus is the new I.Q. in the knowledge economy, and that individuals who cultivate their ability to concentrate without distraction will thrive. The original post is located here: http://calnewport.com/blog/2008/07/16/the-difference-between-experiments-and-goals-how-to-balance-spontaneity-with-the-focused-pursuit-of-fame/ Please Rate & Review the Show! Facebook Group and Join the Ol' Family to get your Free Gifts!

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I'm a Disney shareholder. Perfect. Are you guys getting all these chairs tell me your secret. This is not a joke. I got them for my bar. Mitzvah. That's awesome. Great calves and I have any good gifts for my birthday like that guy had them so long there. It's in a physical stock certificate. That's awesome. Amazing. That's so cool Anderson. Hello. That does not make me a shell for Disney. Although I guess it could it could my the the Revenue that I get from that is about the cost of the blue one blue ray year. So I just pump it right back into the company. So you're basically just giving them your money. Yeah, but well no, they give it back to me and then I give him a little bit back. It's a cycle. It's a never-ending Ouroboros of Disney products. But today we are going to be breaking down the obviously big news that reportedly Sony is breaking off ties with Disney and the MCU. When it comes to Spider-Man rights, if this is news to you, you must have not been on the internet this week. The internet is collectively losing its mind right now. Yeah, some would say the internet didn't have a mind to begin with. Thank you. That's fair. It's a fair break down but you for saying it's yeah, let's take a look at this weird because like we've got some other news talk about but this is like the big story of the week and there's a lot of confusion because you've got different sources you got different. Besides giving you different information because the majority of the stuff that you've read on this is rumor is speculation or leaks. I've I then read or heard something else so that this is the whatever the source leaked it jumped the gun because just because they haven't come to an agreement doesn't mean that they aren't still talking. Yeah, that things aren't still pot. There's not the possibility of a deal coming. Yes, Emma. And so deadline was the first one to leak the news they have the exclusive that like, I don't You know how exclusive work in the Press it's very confusing. But because everyone reported as just like deadline reports, right, but so deadline was the first one to report it and what they said is that Disney came to the table because they need to negotiate new Spider-Man rights after far from home. Right and what it came down to was Disney wanted 50% of they wanted to 50% co-financing deal was what was what that means. So do they put 50% in to get 50% out? Actually, so co-financing deal means that they would put in 50% of the budget and they would take 50% of the profits per box office. Now, there's tons of other things that go into that where you've got like distribution fees and who distributes the movie and who pays for unlike everything else that goes around it now Disney already gets 100% of the merchandising because they own the merchandise. Yes. Tony only Odes the movie properties. Yes, exactly. Even when it was The Amazing Spider-Man or the original Raimi Trilogy Marvel was before it was Disney, but Marvel retained all of the profits from Toy sales poster sales comp like all the comics that even movie tie-in comic maybe there was some little bit different in movie tie-ins, but merchandising didn't he gets all those profits. So Sony balked at 50% and that that's way too high of an asking price and what this That number has since been the in the Press has been walked back today. There was some reports that said that that was wrong initially in Disney ask for 30% That's still a huge stake. But whether it's 50 or 30 that is a significant difference. It's very least lie. Now what from what I understand of the part of the reason that these negotiations had to happen and why Disney was asking for so much. Is that Sony wanted to lock? Kin, Kevin feige as the produce as a producer creative producer for these homes while he was on the first two and basically Disney didn't want to let him do that with because they don't own the property and Kevin's this is this is what I really loved about. This is that base basically paints Kevin feige as the most valuable producer of all time, right? This is the first time I've ever heard of a company dealing with a producer. They would a star. This is like old Hollywood style thing when you had like when you had actors on contract and they couldn't go work for other Studios without being like lent out. It was like a baseball team where you have to like negotiate for trades or things like that with actors that has to make you feel it's that has to be such a weird feeling that you're like, I'm not even a person at this point. I'm basically just at and something that someone has ownership over like they're negotiating my services. Do you think he gets a say in that at all this point he's under contract with this guy doesn't even matter. Yeah. Yeah, I think the to your points like they probably broke down to here's how much an hour of feige's time is worth. He would spend X number of hours on a Spider-Man movie. Whereas we'd rather he spend that on phases five six and seven. And of course, he's phase eight which were all very excited. Yeah. Well, that's what Sony was saying is they said Kevin this was the official statement says the official statement was will Kevin feige is too busy to work with us on this project. They look just look at the next two years for Marvel Studios, right? Not even Marvel television, but Marvel Studios has 10 projects releasing in 2020 and 2021 between all the Disney Plus shows and all the dishes and all the movies that's 10 things that Kevin feige is ostensibly the creative producer on and that's a lot to handle and Sony wants somebody who is going to be more Hands-On with the project and Kevin feige doesn't necessarily have the bandwidth and Disney. Doesn't want to let their Golden Boy producer go over and work on something that they're not going to get any of the profit from yes. They'll get merchandising and everything, but they get that no more getting that. Anyway. Yeah, it does not matter to them. They need a financial incentive for to lend out what they see it. Basically Kevin feige is as valuable as Robert Downey jr. If not more. So at this point for for a movie like he is collectively made them. This is the think about this Kevin feige has made for Disney just in box office. Gross numbers twenty six and a half billion dollars. That is what I'm seeing. You has Chris brought in under Kevin feige's Rule. And so that's why Disney is being super protective of him now doesn't make sense. I guess you're my question to you and and to like the chat you guys look like let me know what you're thinking. Does that warrant 50% of the of the Spider-Man profits. I mean if they're Putting in fifty percent of the budget also. I mean that's not I guess completely unfair but 50% does seem like a lot. Yeah, and I mean look twenty six and a half billion dollars is great. But that barely offsets all the all the money that they've lost on, you know Pirates of the Caribbean movies and things like that but has lost them more money than Kevin feige has made but the the sort of bigger picture. I think that yeah, I mean look, I think that Sony's belief is without Disney involved. We still would have made a couple of pretty good movies and we would have made some money. Yeah, and we don't think that they're responsible. For half of it, you know, I think if it's true in a lot of this is rumor almost all of its rimmer if Sony had offered them 30% that's just staggering in and of itself, you know, that's so much and I mean if Sony offers you 30% but I don't think that that's true that the rumor was that Disney ask for 30 Pastor 30 now the yeah, so there's two conflicting Riders first. It was the Disney went into the negotiation saying we want 50% the more the today today's news from a difference. Source or the same kind of qualifying this is all rumors so we can only go on what we've heard is that they didn't ask for 50 they ask for 30 Sony's counter. By the way, it was V right V for ninth grade wasn't five what they already had. I thought or I've seen conflicting reports of them. I my understanding is that it was not. Okay Disney did not get any money from the actual box office Buck Sony had offered them 5% of first-dollar gross, right and I think that term gets thrown out a lot but first Our gross is the money made on the first day of release. That's the way I understand it something like that. This is you just not even collectively. It's just the first day you get 5% of that and that's it. No that that's no I think it's like box up like profit like what all the money that comes in on the initial release so look, right. These are all deep contract specifics that like even that term has tons of different like things about it. That would all get broken down in different ways. We could this this isn't a movie industry podcast. Like we just want to Fan out here you guys but the like this is this is the complicated thing when it comes to these movie rights. But so anyway, so Tony offered with that Disney rejected it and basically walked from negotiations from from everything. We understand Sony put out the statement that said that Kevin feige's just too busy. We didn't want the we didn't want to do this, but Disney's asking too much if I just too busy, so we're going to keep going Around and that's the important thing to remember is that they can this doesn't mean they're going to reboot Spider-Man Tom Holland still has one more movie on his contract with Sony with Sony. Did you see that Tom Holland on followed Sony. So we were just talking before the show about how that didn't really happen didn't really happen. Okay, you're saying that he did but I never fathered larious. But if he had that would have been very few would have been so fun. Me but it's not true and passing on my way here and I was like, oh, that's great and be looking at the road when you drive here that and even if it was true, it would be dumb. Right exactly. By the way to be just as dumb if you stop following Disney, you know, he just he's just like hey, I'm out of this. You know, what I got to do. I'll show up on the set that would actually hilarious videos on followed both of them like Mom and Dad are gonna fight. I'm just staying. Yeah, that's true. You know what that is. It's the end of Far From Home. Yeah exactly. You know what, baby? Most sad about this news what I heard it. I might the first thing I like one of the first things I said to the people around me after I saw the news was like, oh this means that Opt-out you guys actually what I've said, my wife was like, oh no more happy. That's all that really mattered. Because you know, we didn't need anymore Nick Fury in the next Spider-Man movie. I don't think we need anybody in all honesty from where the way that story is heading. I think that's going to confuse the story to have a lot of MCU people in it's just happy exhibit just happy. I really wanted happy. Yeah, but so this is the other thing that like we need to take all this with a sort of grain of salt is that none of this is like final final Right, these were initially leaks and so near only responded an official statement because the internet flipped out at them and people were like signing petitions if we're going to storm Sony boycott Sony like their stock took a point. Oh six percent dip that I'm pretty sure had nothing to do with this that seems like a very small amount to yeah people were like report. I saw headlines only stock tips when I clicked on his like this is less than half a percent. What are you you doing and look the the point in this to look at it in a show business standpoint a Sony should really get their secrecy, you know, there are security protocols under control because boy, we sure know an awful lot about Sony from the last five years ago that we were never supposed to see information still creeps out email Social Security number so it's just like, you know what and then like the kind that like Mission Impossible the old TV version where they could burst into flames after you read Because we're all finding these things out. So like a howler. They just figure out how large they just got to communicate over Snapchat you guys then it goes away goes away, but you can still screencap those and you know, we're getting some breaking news from Ryan in the booth that you seem to understand it. And I don't so it's found out that the other Sony movie that Tom Hollands working at working on is Uncharted. It just lost yet another director with Dan tracking where he just stepped out of that. That's the out another Sony Tom Holland trauma, or you know, what now he is going on. Follow the money Instagram I take it back because if you like Sony or screwed me over. Yeah, that guy's that projects had a number of problems. It's a video game movie clips always have problems. Never good. Why can't they make a good video game movie Why also Uncharted is is a is a weird one to do because it's basically if Lara Croft was the female answer to Indiana Jones Uncharted is like what if we made a male Lara Croft wait, that's a great idea, but that's that's a great game. But that's what I'm charting. It is. So be a good movie if they just did it, right anyway, yeah. Anyway, anyway, so back to Spider-Man. Where do we go from here and like is actually before we get into Where Do We Go From Here I want to talk about like does this make sense? And who do we blame for this for this falling apart? And I took apart the numbers like as I did my best to do the math on like does it make sense for Sony to turn down 50% because obviously this move like far from home is their best selling but their highest box office gross of any movie they have ever done, correct. I did read that. Yes. It is their number of not by a ton to be honest. But like it's only a couple million over but it is their number one and their movies before before this didn't get there. So how much is Disney and Kevin feige Worth to the Spider-Man franchise and to Sony because if you're splitting profits, like like look half a billion dollars is nothing to shake. But if you break if you're breaking things like down and you're splitting profitable and you're splitting budget. So basically I looked at Amazing Spider-Man 2, which was a disappointment, but it was Sony's like last effort before Marvel had to step in and help them out that made seven hundred and eight million dollars which because this is Hollywood was a disappointment. But it made 700 million dollars it the the Bears a couple different numbers I saw on the budget but let's say 200 million dollars. They spent a lot on that movie which Nets Tony roughly 500 million dollars the might be a little less depending on if they spent 293 on it, which I also saw literally in the same document and I don't know what which was right and I'm sure Dane DeHaan had a huge contract on that movie The so, you know, they probably ate up a lot of the budget and I'm sure he was the guy who played Harry Osborn I love that, you know his name. I know his face. Oh boy. I hate both of them to the numbers. So when that so then we look at home coming home coming cost less. Maybe Disney was just more frugal homecoming only cost about everything was a hundred and sixty knows a hundred seventy five million dollars. Wow to produce and again, I'm not involved. I'm not including marketing piece. I just printed advertising anything else because I don't have those numbers. They're not as easily accessible as budget and box office and is all you have to go if you split the budget a seven and a half million for each one of them the box office on homecoming was 880 million. So a hundred eighty million more but it's not just a clean 90 million dollar difference for each one of your splitting it basically so Disney and Sony would each net roughly 350 million dollars. So Sony would take 350 million on a 800 almost 900 million dollar movie versus a 500 million dollar profit on a 700 million dollar movie Sony makes more even though the movie May less. So at that point you're like why why would you give away your why would you give away a hundred fifty million dollars? Yeah, it is. We'll just fight you worth a hundred fifty million dollars you might as well just get Andrew Garfield back, you know, and that's what we do it to us by The Amazing Spider-Man 3. But yeah, I think that you know if these numbers are real and we've heard so many rumors. There's 30% 50% any of that. It's like will know we as Sony aren't going to make as much money and like to see this point. It's like well, what's Disney doing? What are they kicking in other than in terms of you know, intellectual property and you have development and things like that getting to let us use characters who can show up, you know? Yeah, they are, you know, it's like I'm sorry, Maria Hill is not going to be in the next Spider-Man movie. That's all right. I'm still going to go see it. But now here's the here's where it gets interesting because far from home obviously made tons more money now, I think that got a boost from endgame. Look you were coming right out of the biggest box office movie of all time. And this was the epilogue and it was very beloved character. And you had like all kinds of factors that were leading into this. So you got a boost far from home got a boost that way and it got it's up to just a bit. It's probably going to come close to one point two billion by the time it leaves theaters, especially with the re-release that is coming in September side news. Sony is going to re-really Spider-Man far from home Labor Day weekend with four extra minutes of footage, you know, people are going to go see that and by people do you mean me and probably yeah. This one is going to from what I understand be different from the endgame re-release, which I did not see. Yeah, but you didn't get to see that Hulk seen amazing what it does have into this is an actual edited new edited version of the movie. It's not just hey we stuck some Deleted stuff on the end it is we had four extra minutes of action scenes. They think they're saying and they edited an Extended Cut of the movie. So you're actually seeing a different movie people. It's that seemed from the trailer where he says to the cops like a sorry. I'm just so busy doing your guys job for you, you know, and that's a good sequence of these part of it part of it. Yeah. You tell me why we keep talking about this in the Trap. Will you go see far from home again over Labor Day weekend? To see these extra four minutes or will you wait for a home release to see these scene, which is probably not that far off at this point. No Dave. I expect we're looking at a Holiday release for far from home. Yeah. So yeah, yes or no. Will you go see this again? Well hear thunder God Cairo says 70 70 says no one is going to that re-release now. I mean this new shouldn't change anybody's mind. If you were going to go see it. You would still you would then not see but that is a good point there might be some backlash. Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah, but I guess that's the question and it took you know for ya though. You actually have a lot of people so Jennifer yard says I'm in but you have a lot of no I want to know there's a lot of people have a lot of no, not really sorry and although there's an F. No, thanks nougat by the way, you get good. But yeah, and I guess that is a good way to look at this though. It's like it seems like people are believing so many for this and you know, you can you can blame Sony if you want to but you should certainly Only also blamed is day they're asking for a lot of money that they haven't asked for previously. And remember what did Disney get out of this deal? They got to put arguably their most popular character into Civil War Infinity war and end game. So he's in three movies that he would not have been in if they didn't make this deal and say the two they kick any of that box office gross over to Sony. I know the answer is no so it's not like they didn't gain from this deal and so I can see them wanting to Go she ate it but Mr. Marvel / Disney has really come out ahead on this deal. You know, I think they've done great for themselves now. I'm wondering so I so with far from home just while we're before we get too far away from this numbers talk with the 1.2 billion dollars. I ran the I ran those numbers through my through my data calculator here and what what it would be if it was 50% what would it be of those 30% of the bar from home rights? And if it's 50% Sony and Disney both net 520 million dollars now, that's up again. So neon Amazing Spider-Man 508 so it's more its clubs, but it's more but you're still giving up but see you're still saying to Disney. Here's 500 million dollars at theoretically we could make and you have to justify that to your shareholders. You have to justify that the creative difference was enough that you're not going to make it to that level again in the next go around. Well, that's the thing. I feel like a lot of the These movies did so well is a because I mean you can say that yes Spider-Man got to be in the Disney movies. But how many people were then? Like? Oh, this is actually good. Let me now check out check out these movies that Sony made that they would not have. Yeah because they saw how great Spiderman was and movies like Civil War and things like that and a 30% Sony cayennes that 30% Sony would take 760 million versus Disney taking 280 and that starts to make a little bit more sense because now you've gotten more than the entire like box office now, It sounds like without a leak. Maybe that's where they were headed and they feel closer to my wonder my thought because the that number starts to make more sense to me, but I wonder if Disney was refusing certain other asks from Sony because we had we did here a few months ago that Sony wanted to put Venom into Spider-Man 3 or maybe 4 or like whatever was they wanted to incorporate Venom into the MCU. I don't not like that idea. I don't like that idea. Well, here's the thing. I don't think that it is impossible. But I think retroactively putting the movie Into the MCU has a lot of like problems and Venom was almost made to be clean in that way. It wouldn't be the worst thing. I wouldn't be angry about it, but I'm not excited about it either. I think they could bring the character in the way that Deadpool be brought in. You know, I think I think if they did it right it'll be fine. Yeah, if they do it badly, of course, it's a terrible idea. Yeah, but I'm but I'm thinking but especially with who knows what the script for Carnage looks like for them. To it. Maybe that's just not what Disney wants in their MCU. Right? It also means that yeah, so that's all in going to be interesting and complicated but now we get into where did this fall apart if like maybe it's Disney wanted Spider-Man and more MCU movies that like Sony and so remember somebody doesn't get any of the Avengers movie prophets like that. Spider-Man is in it and get it didn't see a dime from end game except for what fed? Too far from home and you think that that sounds like a symbiotic relationship but that may have been part of the negotiations as well as like well if we're going to do 30% you've you have to use Venom in the MCU. I was like, well, we're not going to do that. Well, okay, then this is done. We want Spider-Man to lead the new Avengers movie coming in 2023. We don't want to do that because we want to release our spider and movie in 2023 well, but there's a million different factors that might have gone into To it, even if the numbers started to make sense. That's what to me. That's the biggest loss here is we won't get a spidey in what I'm picturing to be new Avengers. Yeah, I mean that I guess the that leads to sort of the idea of we do we think that this deal is salvageable and I think that even if they stay apart and then this next Spider-Man will be comes out you feel like it's something that will get figured out. In time. Yeah, I think it will I still think that they'll fix this I do and I think that regardless Disney is going to be fine. Like nobody is going to stop going to the it'll be like, oh, yeah, it's a bummer. We're not going to get Spider-Man these movies, but did anybody think that the MCU would not be? 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So already be sure to download the Spotify app search for a popcorn talk on Spotify or browse podcasts in the your library tab. Also, make sure to follow us. So you never miss an episode of popcorn talk. Do you really think that as many people would have gone to see the movies after the Andrew Garfield movies? I mean, you mean besides me who liked Amazing Spider-Man today I did too but so many people doing that. I would have gone to see it anyway, but I feel like a lot of people wouldn't have because he lies is completely different without Disney's involvement. Yeah. I definitely agree with that the Spider-Man Yeah, yeah, he's last to it, you know if they just came out independently and let's say they were essentially the same story. Obviously. Tony Stark's not going to be you can you know, but essentially it's like this one's vulture. This one is sort of Mysterio the you know, I think that the movies could have been made just as well but I don't know people would have been as excited we leading up to it. I think they would have had to rely a lot more and Word of Mouth. Well so with Sony if here's the differences Sony is going to go for like a more big-name director. You wouldn't have had John. I don't think he'd got you two have gone with this sort of like like like high school. Lie like very what's the what's the name? I'm thinking that Pretty in Pink is John John Hughes. Thank you. I got with the Watson my head it through my brain off, but I don't think he'd got your you have gone with this John Hughes Vibe. I think that probably was something that came from feige and so I but but now so here's the question now you're on this path that basically Sony has a roadmap they have John Watts is not signed on to direct the next one and from everything. I'm reading. He's getting a lot of offers because he just made a billion dollars on the movie but I don't imagine he would be opposed to directing Spider-Man 3 even if it doesn't involve even maybe it's tough without foggy because if I use the one who brought him in but if they can get John Watts back if you get the same director to finish out his Trilogy get Tom Holland back the the story that they were getting. Ready to tell about Spider-Man getting out it like that doesn't need to have other MCU characters in it necessarily you can do that in you could do an insular story with Spider-Man like Mary like, I'm sorry, MJ J Jonah Jameson who you've now got introduced here like flash like those characters create a world. You could do it like yes, you had Nick Fury and Maria Hill is like the sort of this like slide into it, but the squirrels don't need to come back in the next story. Yeah, and you could just focus This in on Peter and keep it clean without going into the outer world. You could yeah, you absolutely could and I think that there's probably people at Sony who are like, you know, what we don't we don't need any of that and I'll honestly they're like that's gonna distract from the story that we're looking to tell lets, you know, we don't we don't need to have a cameo from war machine in that movie. You know, it's fine. We'll be okay without it. So, you know and it doesn't necessarily need that. I almost like em fine without I don't even in the MCU. I'm sorry like yeah don't don't like you offhandedly mentioned it but I'm cool with it not being said. Yeah, and and like you said if Maria Hills not in it or or any I mean even Nick Fury, you know Spider-Man. I'm still going to be excited. No. Yeah, we're still we're all still going to see it you guys the question is like how much of the like what's it like outside the the clergy? JP. Yeah, the the normal two devoted. Yeah, I mean obviously you're going to people who see these movies in there. Like they don't know the involvement of Disney versus Sony and the last two verses of the previous five, you know, they know sure he was in an Avengers movie but they you know, this is like this is like people who like study statistics and sports instead of just watching the games like when you write all this minutiae get really into it. I think a lot of moviegoers will be like, oh, hey, it's another Spider-Man movie. I like that Tom Holland. Let's go. See ya and It's not good then all of a sudden you like, you know all that Goodwill evaporates. But if the movie is a good movie, it'll be fine and they're really coming into it with a leg up coming off of all these movies that have been really good. It's not like when they tried to when Fox right trying to reboot Fantastic Four, I legitimately saw the the commercial for that of the preview for it was like, nope not going to say it. I still haven't seen that movie and I we should just for fun. This is so bad. I just I heard it looked awful and I was like, I'm not even gonna do it and Did I like The Amazing Spider-Man but you know, they're they're definitely coming up you coming off of a leg up because all these were so good. And so people are still going like oh well, yeah these past movies were great. I'm going to go watch the next one because why not and Tom Holland is a fantastic Spider-Man. Yeah, and I and look I'm disappointed to see this kind of like a break up this like weird Hollywood divorce thing going on. But like it's just a separate. It's a trial separation. They'll get back together. Yeah, I ultimately I hope that they're together but frankly for me right now. Like because I know I've seen a lot of people in the chat asking this does it make like who do we blame ya if I blame anyone right now from all the rumors rumors to again to be clear. We don't have all the facts. I would put more of the blame on Disney and then Sony because because I don't unless Sony was refusing something reasonable like a new Avengers project more like or like we have to have venom in this universe. Then I don't see why they would be resistant to it. Yeah, or like who knows what it could be. It could have been something where like Marvel wasn't happy with the spider-verse release schedule against the bunt against the MCU. Like it could have come down to that. It could have diver. There was a rumor that Disney wasn't happy with having to Spider-Man movies come out within six months of each other. Oh, wow, so there could have been a problem where they're like, well, we here's where we want to put Spider-man 3 and Sony's like well we were going to put Spider-verse to right there and they're like, well, we will you can you move it and if somebody refused yeah now you got a problem. Well, I also think Disney Polly isn't too upset about all the t-shirts they sold during that six-month period I think that they were like, oh, you know, we did Solon action figures and my son has Spider-Man walkie-talkies. So you're welcome doesn't it's one of those things where I think if spiders have been anything other than what it was as in perfect. It's great Point like perfect. I'm wearing my miles shoes, right? Now you guys but if it had been anything, other than that, I think that that would have been a he a bigger problem for Designing and look I'm inclined to agree with you that if it's the way that we understand it at the moment and who knows what information will get it another point. I feel like yeah Disney kind of went and just imagine it we're have you do for a living you go in for your job and it's okay. It's time for your performance review. Hi. I'm I want 10 times my salary I'm gonna do the same work that I was doing, but you're Give me ten times as much money. It's probably not going to go over that. Well, so, you know, that's a little bit of a micro way to look at it. But I think they're asking for so much more and it's like again like we've said a couple of times on the show Disney got a lot for being able to have access to Spider-Man. Yeah, and they can be as mad as they want about it, but they didn't have the movie rights to Spider-Man. That's not Sony's fault that they were smart enough to negotiate a deal 20 years ago to get the right to Spider-Man movie Perpetual rights as rights except making the and keep in mind Sony doesn't necessarily have to even make a Spider-Man specific movie every three years anymore. They could do any of these spider property's been able morbius venom venom. Morbius. Like that's what all counts now, I think that if one's morbius comes out if morbius and I think it will tanks because I don't expect to do well at the box office. Yeah. It's a movie with Matt Smith in it. So it's not going to do. Great. I want only the best for Matt Smith. He is the best bow ties are cool, but times are cool. But I don't think that movie is going to do good. No worries. We're just it was fine. He calling me but so it morbius tanks. I think this If this isn't reading of revisit by then then I think Sony might open the door because again, it wasn't just hey, I want an extra percentage on my butt on my raise. It was hey, we just made you a billion dollars. Can I have more point you like can we work something out? We have more building now. I still think Disney ask for too much but I don't but I would still put more of the blame on them. And I think that you know, say that morbius does okay, I think if say argument They make another Spider-Man movie Just Sony and its successful. But nowhere near this level then I think Sony is like, you know what let's talk about that. Yeah, if it's if it's anyway disappointing, but of course if they make a movie on their own and they're like look we made almost as much money. We made way more than we had to share with Disney. Yeah. We don't need to work with Disney for a while. Yeah, and then it becomes been like if it doesn't do as well that it becomes like I think they're going to be careful with this next one if they're not working with foggy to make sure that it is insular enough to that it It wouldn't affect the end of the greater MCU. I think that they will be careful in that so that they could renegotiate their not going to negate anything going on right in this in the in the in the MCU. Now I'm going to do an earlier Dooms question corner from Twitter because it's relevant to this conversation. But Ed Keats asked not that they would but could the MCU still use a wall crawler, but not call him Spider-Man just vert him as a character as a mild say miles or does Sony have everything? Now so this is how this whole thing worked out in the how this is in the contracts. Like Sony has the rights to make movies with any character that is originating in a Spider-Man story or created around Spider-Man. Now, they've said that that number is as many as 900 different characters that they have the rights to some of those characters blend into both worlds. Similar to the way that fox and Marvel both have rights to Scrolls and both had rights as Scarlet Witch and perfect examples of Spider-Man of course is Kingpin. Yes right there and spider-verse, of course a big part of Daredevil, you know, and he's he first appeared in Amazing Spider-Man think 50. He's Spider-Man character, but boy, he sure has hands all over them CEO so you can't exclude him from other things as well. Yeah, and it would be interesting to see who that's one of those ones where it's probably in a deep paper somewhere that legal document. They may have specified Kingpin from one for me. But it will not because Kingpin was in Daredevil was in the juice just Fox had there at least the rights at one point moment at that time. So it's so Tony does not at least have exclusive rights, but they have not given them the rights. Yeah is possibility. We don't know that is that's all deep like contracts locked in a vault somewhere, but it does mean that any spider character Disney can definitely not touch and that includes even Jessica Drew Spider Woman Who is not a spider character in the same sense of Like the like flipped whip that was spider, but the Jess Jessica Drew Spider-Woman is so nice to play with because we know that she's going to be in spite of hers to write just to come in from the chat this sort of goes back to something. We were saying earlier Anthony Manzano Christian in my opinion. There is a lot of blame to go on both sides Marvel for asking for too much and Sony for not letting Kevin feige take control some of the characters. Yeah. I think that's kind of what we're saying. We're seeing a lot of that in the chat. There are people look there's there I would say if you have to pick one of the other more people are angry at Me but a lot of you even if you're more angry and so on you're like well, yeah, of course doesn't he is capable in this to so I think I think that will look to the see really but yeah in general so in general people seem to feel that way about it. Yeah, so a lot of questions and like who knows what else could they could work out like this week and terms of video game news Sony bought Insomniac Games. Wow, so that like so they owned the studio that produced and made the Spider-Man. As for game that was before all this happened, but maybe it's like maybe there's a video games. I saw this in the chat. I don't I'm sorry. I didn't catch who said it. But like maybe there's a video games right exchange here. We're like because there's already been discussions of the Marvel game verse as a been offered to which is like Marvel's Avengers coming up blending and playing with insomniacs Spider-Man. There's like loose references that could have been like referring to each other which would be cool because like in the Spider-Man game, they've wrecked the Avengers Tower. There and they make reference to the Avengers being in San Francisco, which is where that crazy Bridge attack that's opening. Marvel's Avengers is on the Golden Gate Bridge. It's in San Francisco. So are they already doing that and like or could that be a negotiating chip between the two companies? So we'll see while we're on that subject video game news Marvel's Avengers. They there's actually a bunch of the gameplay footage that they showed off this week of like all the different characters and how they're going to fight cool looks fun. I'm play the hell out. Game, like they should have Thor fights and how catfights some cool stuff that was in there. Tony's apparently gooses in the story. Somehow I'll take it and see Goose, but he was referred to by name where Tony Stark like all is talking to Maria Hill like and over the phone. It's like how's the cat goose is fine. That was it. But like they gooses in that universe and also in that Universe, this is really interesting. Kamaal Khan is there. So apparently some Eagle Eye people spotted her on the bridge during that attack and they can the developers later confirmed. It didn't go into wouldn't go into further details about what her involvement in the game means but so Kamal Khan is on the bridge when it's attacked and then like have to fight The Avengers, but they wouldn't say if you get to fight as her in the story now, I while I would love to play Kamal Khan and more like dark like heavy video game like that. I do want them to be careful not to like Like force into many different characters for because game mechanic them to keep game mechanics good and that's part of why Spiderman was such a good game because they only had to worry about one Fighters game mechanics and they're already dealing with like five different ones in Avengers because you have to have cap mechanics. You have to have Iron Man mechanics Hulk Thor Black Widow. So you've already got five people that have to have unique fighting styles. If it look I can play as as Miss Marvel in the Ultimate Alliance three right now, that's That's one you can play it was like 40 different characters. They also announced the next the DLC for that which has blade Moon night morbius and The Punisher. Wow, it's called curse of the vampire DLC Martin's Marvel Knights. It's Marvel Knights, but like I can play is crazy amounts of characters in that game that game super fun. But I want this game to just be good. We can expand it later. You can DLC people in but make sure the characters fight well in that initial game. All right, that's my video games tangent. I'm sorry. I'm nerding out here. The only thing I am select from All that was Moon night, but I was excited about Moon night. So that that's why I was in the lead and Punisher in there too, man. Yeah, but you know, they're getting movies and they've been on TV. It's just you know, there's been no love for me or not yet. I'm still counting on playing fighting as Moonlight in this game is going to be fun. Did you guys just unlocked the WASP recently? She immediately is on my team no matter what I've never taken her off the roof off the roster. It's great anyway, so we can go back for a minute and really I was at the discussion. Let me just throw them from the chat. Gom design is a great sentiment that we were lucky. It happened at all. You know, if we never get any crossover, we still have these three great movies and Spiderman was in and then of course the to Spider-Man movies that have Tony Stark and Nick Fury and happy and all that. So yeah, if they for some reason never do it's like a these movies are still great at the very least. We got Spider-Man in end game. It's true. We got even if he was only for like five minutes, but we got an amazing. Being Spider-Man seen ha in endgame do that moment. I just remember it was well the second one of the I think the second or third loudest cheer that I heard in the theaters when I saw and game like like when I was coming out was when Spidey came through the portal right? I think it was the 3 loudest cheers were obviously Kappa mjolnir. Honestly, I think this second might have been for for to Chalo coming through the portal. I think you and I saw it like that got a lot of Response, but like if third if not second was what Spidey shows up? Yeah, it's like yes. Yes, it's so far. Anyway, so here's my question. And this is like we have five minutes left and this is like let's look towards the future. Now you guys and like maybe in a positive way d23 is this weekend get news big Disney the Marvel Studios panel, I believe is on Saturday. I don't remember I didn't write down what time? But what do you think guys think I'm gonna take a break from talking. So make you guys do it with whatever it was Spider-Man on everybody's mind. Disney is dealing with a lot of PR but it's a PR nightmare right. Now. How do you think Disney will respond or trip maybe where they try to draw attention away? What are we going to get at d23 this weekend? I mean, I honestly think they're just going to make a statement about If they can whatever that's going to be and then continue on with d23 as normal because they gave us what two years of movies. We have all of this TV. We have all of these. I mean possibly another couple of years of movies. I think that they're going to announce some other movies here. Well, I think wherever it is in terms of the negotiations, even if there are a hundred percent that they're going to make a Spider-Man movie Sony by themselves, they're going to go up there and say yeah, we're pretty close. We think it's going to work out and then you just leave it at that. Yeah. I think I you know, it's a There's a lot there's a lot at stake. We can't really talk about it. I'm confidence I'm is going to work out then, you know, whenever down the road you get to said. Yeah thought was going to work out. It didn't sorry. So you can just kind of dismiss it when you're like here we are. We're still working on it. We hope it's going to be good. Here's the stuff you really excited about and then you know, if if they can have I don't own animated Howard. The Duck is show up on stage. Well, I already wish I was there, but I'll be very upset if something happens with Howard at d23, and I'm not there for it, but I That I think that in terms of what their because they've kind of alluded to the fact that they're going to talk more about the the who shows that's what I understood. So I think we're going to get that and we know some about the Marvel plus sorry the Disney plus Marvel shows might as well be Marvel plus I think that they're going to probably give us something that we had no idea but I don't mean a new show but maybe you know, just sort of like how it turned out Monica rambeau was going to be on yeah, they're gonna be a little something. I think they're gonna give us some detail that we just had no idea about Yes for people to get excited because the animated shows might be talked about at the Marvel animation panel on Friday. But Marvel Studios specifically has a panel and that's not Hulu unless there's going to be some announcement that they're restructuring which I would love if like Kevin feige could just like take Marvel TV into his like like wingspan. And yeah, I'm not going to get down that road. But this was an interesting fact that I saw that came out this afternoon because the Banners are all going up, but obviously we're printed like Seagal right and Spider-Mans on some banners for 223 horse look animation panel and they have an animated series. So no I didn't spider-verse is coming. So, you know, Tom Holland Spidey is something it's like a poster of like, it's Captain Marvel out front with Iron Man over her shoulder and Spider-Man over the other shoulder. Well, maybe they'll be the put Nightcrawler there. They'll just so you know Adam on top that's from Instagram user dis way 80, maybe one of the kids. Like dis as in Disney McGee is weigh 80. But yeah, so look where we still don't have to close out. We don't know what's going to come we can't predict the future. But well, I think for yourself look Spider-Man there will be a Spider-Man in the movie theaters at some point within the next three or four years. Whoever it's with we're like, it's going to one more with Tom Holland at least and you have that to look forward to whatever it's Let me just jump into that. If they don't come to a deal it one of those sticking points could be that maybe Sony's like no we want to Spider-Man movie in theaters, you know to fourth of July's from now and they're like no we have all this other stuff planned and they're like, no we needed to come out soon. So it could have been something like that. So if the deal doesn't happen, maybe we're getting spied even sooner. That's a lot of things still probably three years out just on like the reliever the realities of writing and producing is writing shooting and then like doing post-production on a big superhero budget movie, but we'll see what happens. Happens until then that's going to do it for our time here in Marvel movie news. I hope this may be a swage some of your fears out there about Spider-Man or answered some of your questions because there's a lot going on. I'm sure that we'll get more over the weekend as people keep talking about this and on these press lines pressure people like feige or Tom Holland to discuss these things. We'll see we'll update you guys next week on what's happening there until next time guys. Christian Blatt put your cell phone you can find me on Twitter and Instagram at Christian DMZ and Sunday night at nine Pacific over on AfterBuzz TV Marvel TV weekly we're going to be breaking down whatever it is that does come out of d23. 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If you wanted to learn about Bitcoin from the guy who has read more about it than anybody else, you know, well, you've come to the right place. This is a guys take episode. Nick Carter's article a a most peaceful Revolution that we covered a day or two ago really put into words a lot of things that Like I knew like some of the things that like dealt really fundamental. It's one of those things where when you hear it said in a certain way, you're like Ah, that's what was you know hanging on the end of my tongue that I couldn't quite get out and this the article was just full of so many of those little moments for me. But like it really sets a really important question is what exactly makes Bitcoin a revolution and he goes through such a powerful. Position of of why it is and it is this is not just a technological Revolution. It is to some degree a it's a technological invention, but it is a technology that enables a political and social Revolution and that's what we are going to talk about today. This is the crypto economy with guy Swan. Welcome back to the show. I'm going to call this a guys take episode even though it's technically the commentary of Of a most peaceful Revolution, but I'm going to be going off the rails here quite a bit. I think so, it's just in I will be responding to a lot and we'll be letting Nick Carter lead us through this discussion, but there's so much I want to hit here that I just think is incredibly important and just a really fascinating concept to explore. So that's what we're going to do. So when we say Bitcoin is a revolution and it's a political and social one when it is a Clearly technological it's clearly a piece of technology. What is what is Nick mean by this? What is what does that mean? So I think the first place to look is just the history of Bitcoin like the 20 years leading up it will really the 40 or 50 years arguably. If you go back to if you take kind of the origins that the iterative capital thesis does which is a four-hour piece of absolute magic if you have not listened to that one yet. Yet or read that one. Definitely definitely go back. I'll make sure to put in the show notes the link to the iterative capital thesis. It's such a great thing and it's just all about what's driving the cryptocurrency phenomenon and it really starts with the the absolute underbelly of the very beginnings of the open source movement and the dichotomy between the sort of corporate structure and the engineering like let's solve this the problem as quickly as possible. Like incentive and how those diverged during the proliferation of these new systems and sorts of organization throughout our society and that essentially we are moving into a post corporate world and the open source and all of these major dwelt really the cyberspace environment and the idea of the internet is an extension of that. We are becoming more and and more decentralized and less centered around a specific hierarchical structure and figuring out how to organize better using those means using those sorts of interactions between people is just it just absolutely fascinating concept and such a good piece really foundational to this whole concept. But you go back and you look at this history this started with the cypherpunks and like if you go back there's the cypherpunk manifesto. In fact, we did that we covered that on episode 163 or quick read 163 on an absolute brilliant one ends. And then you've got the crypto are crypto and orcas Manifesto who is by Timothy May the veritable cypherpunk Godfather decipher. Punks Manifesto was done by Eric Hughes. Yes are cues. Um, but I got a quote from the manifesto the the cypherpunk manifesto is says quote. We cannot expect governments corporations or other large faceless organizations to grant us privacy out of their beneficence. It is to their advantage to speak of us and we should expect that they will speak to try to prevent their speeches to fight against the realities of information information. Does not just want to be free it longs to be free and he's he's setting up this dichotomy that this is an ant this is a extra governmental extra corporate Independence that we are trying to set up and that's actually where we got the term cypherpunks write code on and that was a Manifesto about we are going to get back our privacy and our independence in exchanging information and exchanging even exchanging value. She alludes to but the crypto Anarchist Manifesto another cypherpunk Timothy May basically extended the same idea. And this was written back in 1988. I can't remember when the cypherpunk manifesto was written. But if you listen to the episode, I know I go through it, but this is from the crypto Anarchist Manifesto in night. Again, 1988 quote just as the technology of printing altered and reduced the power of medieval guilds and Social Power structure, so too will cryptologic methods fundamentally alter the nature of Corporations and of government interference in economic transactions and even talks about how like you'll be able to write have contracts and exchange with people who you do not know. You don't know their name. You don't know how trustworthy they are trustworthy they are because you'll be able to trust the contract. There's so much. Prescience in kind of the systems that will arise from this technology and here all they really have to go from is public/private key cryptography. They just extrapolate that okay, we're going to create transaction system. We're going to create a value exchange and Trust system that is external to the state and to corporate structure. We are not going to have to rely on third parties that this is just inevitable 40 years ago. Great. Well now 30 years ago 31 years ago. That's crazy. That's this this this Foundation has been laying for a long time. And these are the people who worked day and night to expand this technology and figure out how to build all of the pieces all of the forefathers that led to bitcoin. This is where it comes from. It was always about creating a non like a flat independent non-state. It was about the separation of money and state the separation of money and I mean information and state it was about freeing people in the siphon in cyberspace in this new realm building technologies that freed people from the restrictions of the system. That are run by other people. There are permissioned that are surveilled and that are dependent on the trust of some other institution not involved in the transaction that is always what this has been about and it is a deeply political and social Revolution. The technology is simply the tool that facilitates it. Actually haven't done the crypto in Turkish Manifesto on the show. I thought I had but I had not so I might actually do that one pretty soon. I'm going to put that in my lineup. So I'll keep an ear out for that one. It's really short. You can read it in two minutes. So I'll link to it in the show notes as well. But the very core of what makes a nation state like we have to really get at what a nation state is like what do we mean when we say the separation of money and state? Well the state the foundation on which it derives every other authority that it has is a moral exception to ignore property rights and supposedly in the name of keeping everybody safe and and securing property rights, which we won't go into the ridiculous contradiction there, but that is essentially what it is. Everything else is just an extension of that single power. It is the power to confiscate resources. It is the moral exception to confiscate resources and that it happens typically through taxation inflation deficits fractional Reserve banking whatever system that is they have their many systems involved in this Exact same processor in this exact same end. But that is what if they all amount to. It's the it's the confiscation of resources from the people who have earned and produced it the value that they have produced into the world without having to ask or receive consent of any kind in doing so the state is the final Arbiter on hitting that this is important. They are the final they have the last say on who owns what and that lasts a is backed up that final arbitration is backed up by military and violent action, whether it's for the police caught by the police the prison system or the military that is always the end result of any incomplete dispute. It ends at violence. All the rest of it is just window dressing on what is used to create the final Arbiter of the the final end. Violence is the Beating Heart of the state institution that they are the ones who can force your neighbor to do something. Whereas you and none of your other neighbors have that Authority and most people refuse to admit that this is true, but it's not really even ignored. It's actually glorified. It's just mostly thought of as acceptable like it just it's part of our we grow up in this system. Well, that's the norm and of course. That's how it work. How would you do it? If you weren't just forcing people to all invest in the same thing or I'm confiscating resources from obviously all the people who don't know how to spend. It just becomes this like things like well, yeah, that's us that's just out that things are um, and not only is it glorified. There's like incredible pride in being willing to go to the absolute most absolute intends to maintain the facade watch that Rudy Giuliani video man, like, Watch that thing that I retweeted it'll creep you out. It's really it's really a crazy like fundamental position it they start from and I was there I got like it's not as if I was immune to it, like obviously that's how I grew up. It took it took years and years and years of study and arguing with myself and feeling extremely uncomfortable about ideas that I was entertaining that that was in fact a Lee immoral and incorrect way to think about the world Fascinating piece actually, let me drop another suggestion for a read here. Anatomy of the state by rothbard is a crazy piece. That is probably going to blow your mind. If you're just getting into these ideas and they're probably a little bit little bit out there. So definitely go check that one out. I will be adding that into the show Notes, too. But the fundamental nature of Bitcoin, so that's the fundamental nature of the state is that it is the final Arbiter on property rights and there is no challenging it to challenge. It is essentially to commit suicide or it is to position yourself in the system in such a way. It is to alter your position in it so that you can now morally be murdered. If you if you if you refuse to the end it is that you will be killed if if you don't pay the bill that they then send you when you refuse to pay for, you know, I don't want to pay for a bomb in Iraq if I refuse to do it and they caught me and realize that that's what I was doing. Well, they would send me a bill for twice the amount that I supposedly owed and then they would send police to enforce it or they were try to confiscated from my bank account. If I refuse then and made it hard for them to access the money will then they would send police and they would try to confiscate. Kate it from me. They would put a drag me into a court and declare that I was I was to be shamed and publicly ridiculed and my life was over and they were going to put me in a cage and if I refuse to go into a cage if I resist those police doing that and torturing me and putting putting me in a cement box for the rest of my life. Well, then I will be beaten if I continue to fight back. I will be shot like that is the end result of my not wanting to pay for a bomb that kills people in Iraq. I am I'm forfeiting my life within the rules of the system the supposed morals inside of the structure are whether or not I am following the authority not whether or not I have done something that we can establish is immoral or infringing upon someone else's rights. Yet within Bitcoin Bitcoin is the final Arbiter regardless completely independently of the state or any corporate intermediary and that's without allowing. Any any exception for the state rule. There is no exception in Bitcoin. Everyone is totally totally on the same playing field. There is no single point of permissiveness. There is no single point of control. It is 100% Independent and external to the state's property rights system. They are no longer. That is the first technology that has ever truly challenged the state the state's position as the final Arbiter of property rights and it does so with the security of cryptography, which the state has no tool to fight against no real tool no fundamental. I can break it tool. Whereas in a social hierarchy structure violence is the The tool that breaks the the endgame of like me like my personal defense as the final Arbiter of property rights is that will they will just over overwhelm me with their violence, you know, when I have just one person with a gun like I just have my own a defense of my property or something. Well, they will just get 50 people with guns and overwhelm me they cannot do that with my cryptographic defense. They do have some tools. The balance of power is vastly different between my ability to defend my life and Liberty just in a physical sense versus the the power of being able to cryptographically secure that ownership or that value. But this isn't like like Bitcoin isn't a trimming at the leaves of the state or like getting all those extra two long branches. It truly attacks the roots of what makes the system possible it Alters the fundamental rules. Now that doesn't mean taxation becomes impossible because taxation is enforced or excused because the state is a form of religion essentially it is That Priestly exception that some do not have to follow the same rules as others that there is a that is there is an authoritative structure and it is fundamentally about inequality being institutionalized that this this special group of persons have some divine right to violate the basic moral principles of don't hurt people and don't take their stuff in order to cheat to achieve some utilitarian outcome. Even if it's something as arbitrary Terry is you know the totally inconsequential Banning of plastic straws so that we're using paper straws in our big plastic cups in a city with millions of plastic heroin sewer syringes being handed out and littering the ground. It doesn't matter how arbitrary it is or even if that utilitarian purpose totally fails. The state is still the only one in the position to actually do something to violate that basic moral principle now, Status in myself I'm back when I would hear these arguments will bristle like crazy about that statement that it is a religion, and I'm so sorry if I've made someone uncomfortable, but it's true. You do a story told by police is trusted by default a stories told by a citizen who has been beaten senseless by that officer better have a full high-definition video proving it or it won't even be considered and even with perfect video the overwhelming majority will Just excuse the extreme violence because all they were scared or confused but no one can explain why police are somehow different people. I mean, I have a number of friends who either have been police officers in the past or are still are and you know, what they're not a damn bit different than any of my other friends except arguably and one could say that maybe this was a natural tendency or this was actually a consequence of them becoming officers. I would argue that they would probably a little bit more air. And kind of just puffy if I'm being honest like I don't doubt most of them really like being cops because it probably makes him feel incredibly powerful and I don't care who you are. It feels good to be the most powerful person in the room. That is another part of human nature. It is not something is for the same reason. It feels good to be the most powerful person in the room. It feels bad to be the weakest and most subservient person in the room. So both of of them are derivatives of the exact same nature. So you're if you're arguing that people don't feel good when they're powerful you're arguing that people don't feel bad when they're powerless, which I think is so obviously not true that it's there's no argument there. And so this will that that level of power that Authority those positions of moral exclusiveness will go to everyone's head in some way. I mean the highest demographic of people who physically abuse their spouses are police officers make like that's just a statement of fact and the excuse that they have some day. I've literally heard people be like, well, they have a dangerous job. That's bullshit because construction work is still the most dangerous job in the country. You are more likely to be injured or killed than being a police officer and no one would ever excuse a construction worker going home and beating his wife senseless. Just because They're all their job is stressful again is about a moral exception of some presumed Priestley level of authority that they have that people external to that position do not have and that goes all that's just police that goes all the way up. I mean which one of your friends has the right to take money from your bank account so that they can invest your money into the retirement plan. They think you should have There's a whole that is a whole concept of government is that they are going to use our resources for the policy the health care policy. We should have for the retirement plan. We should have or the whatever anything anything that is that is the foundation of everything that the government does is a utilitarian argument that the morality of what they do is less important than its supposed utilitarian result of their violation of that morality. It's it didn't that it Exception is 100% for political Masters and no one else and the difference is not small like the the Divergence between those two rights is not like some minor difference. It's not like one group can do it and the other group just has to refrain a normal person doing the exact same thing that the government is demands gratitude for. is the a normal person doing it is considered an absolute criminal is immediately derided as the worst sort of humanity is publicly shamed killed or left to rot and tortured in a cement box for the rest of their lives the closer they get to achieving the level of theft and non consented control over other people as the state the closer they get to doing as much control and damage as the state the more the normal person is derided and the more blessed and gratitude the state deserves for the exact same act and you know, the state goes off and kills hundreds of thousands of people in the Middle East supports and enforces sanction starving millions of people in Yemen and Iran numerous other countries. We got 40 or 50 years to work from mean Vietnam the sanctions on Iraq that supposedly resulted in the The estimated result in the deaths of 250,000 children 250,000 children and Madeleine Albright says we think the price is worth it Bitcoin is a complete rejection of the entire structure with Bitcoin as a final Arbiter for value and ownership. Everything that is taken to the Bitcoin Court to the network is entirely extrajudicial and has not the slightest clue or concern about what the political structure requires of the or what the political structure demands is the actual owner. Nick Carter mentioned it in his piece about Jesus great piece on Independent property rights and what really breaking into the core of what Bitcoin is competing with and that is the structure. That's that's what Bitcoin is competing with it is the final Arbiter of property rights within the system and any system or extension of it built on top of it that refers to bitcoin as the settlement and Court for the the final ownership of coins it is it is not your keys. Not your coins. If they are your keys. They are yours regardless of the president of Congress of parliament of authoritarian regime A B C or D is all irrelevant. There's there's no borders. It doesn't have a clue that you sent it to Venezuela, even though Venezuela has Capital controls the same keys are the same in Venezuela as they In the US as they are in Canada every jurisdiction. Can you can unlock it in any jurisdiction that just has a connection to the internet whether it be by Satellite by radio by Broadband etcetera Etc. It does not matter the the Bitcoin system is ubiquitous and in consensus across all of them. And that's what this is about. That's what makes it a revolution. Say it's not even a small Revolution. It is a profound shift in the Dynamics of power to protect individual sovereignty and individual the rights of individual value ownership and exchange at a fundamental level. It is first and foremost a political revolution. All right, so I haven't really talked much about the article. I've referenced a couple things but this is basically my faults from the first paragraph of this thing. So let's go ahead and hit our sponsor. We're already pretty deep into this and I will go back and will continue through this article because there's so much more just amazing stuff to cover in this and I love this this entire concept and there is so many little Diamonds in the Rough in this article, I guess so, Quotes to go through let's in our sponsor and we'll jump right back in. For anyone who has a podcast anchor cannot be beaten particularly for trying to get off the ground their entire platform is free. 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And that's why I so many people will debate with me about statism and think that they're going to come up with some really clever utilitarian example for why the state should have this moral exception one the the whole Foundation of why I no longer believe in it. Not only do I think those utilitarian arguments are misunderstandings of long-term consequences of enabling a moral action, but it's also A moral argument that is the foundation of what led me away from the state as as any Arbiter of anything. So, I mean, it was really really hard like like when I say the state is a religion. I know how much that probably triggers people because I remember how hard it triggered me when I had someone tell me that and I was just you know, like it's incredibly hard to Come to terms of the most people it's never something that's entertained. You just don't think about it. Like I felt honor like I felt like incredibly emotionally connected to you know, the national anthem the flag like putting my hand over my heart like I'd get the Goosebumps when somebody really sang the national anthem and like it was part of who I was and I mean 15 years ago. I probably like that Rudy. The only video that like creeps me out. Now. I probably would have gotten jacked at watching that video 15 years ago. I probably would have been like well, you're a defend a country mirror Graham. I'm Erica like so when some some debate is trying to give me some utilitarian argument for the state. I truly see it as the similar. It's going to have a similar effect on me as trying to explain to an abolitionist that oh my god. Well, what about the price of cotton if we free the slaves I'd like for my Pinion who cares like this is a moral argument. It's our responsibilities got nothing to do with this. Like we don't get to just make slaves. It's our responsibility to figure out how to produce cotton absent like like morally It's Our obligation to do it. Morally the simple fact is that the ends are deeply tied to the memes. If we think about this like the violation of these basic and obvious morals. I don't I truly don't believe There is any way for it to have a net benefit even if we were talking about a short-term utilitarian purpose because at the core of Your Action what you are doing is normalizing and desensitizing the people to the concept of acting immorally if it's an excuse that's good enough for whatever the end is. And there is a network effect. There's a consequence in there's a social consequence to absolutely everything that we do if there's one person acting courageously or standing up for themselves or speaking out while everyone else is being quiet. We know and we regularly think of her somebody who like donates or does something nice for someone else it very well may infect ten other people with the idea that okay. I should be more Brave. I should try to be more. Jack if I should speak out when I know something is wrong, but similarly if someone acts immorally to achieve some utilitarian purpose and then is rewarded for it because of the supposed ends that justified that terrible action. Well, then in the same way 10 others will be infected with the idea that oh, well, why don't we do it for our retirement accounts? Why don't we just take money from these people because I can obviously spend it better than they could why don't use inflation to create. The best insurance policy ever that's free quote on quote when we just don't understand what the hell money is. All it does is spread the disease of thinking of immoral solutions to our problems because we set the precedent of valuing the utilitarian end above the the right the correctness of the means of actually treating each other with respect and as human individuals. So it did you just end up being like Oh, well, what's good enough to would just completely disregard the morality of their actions. Like it just becomes an institutionalized immorality to achieve whatever it is of low cost health care or really decent retirement plan or stupid plastic straws and blah blah blah, like it just it always ends up holding the end as a higher purpose than the original action. It becomes a well. Yeah, he he murdered seven people but look how clean the streets are, you know, like you just end up like excusing ridiculous things like 250,000 children starving to death in Iraq and being like Oh, well, the regime is a little bit weaker than it was a couple of years ago. So we think it's worth it like it becomes so utterly insane the more those those actions and eventual ends stack on top of each other in the network effect spreads and ends up. Dude, it's just a complete loss of morality throughout throughout Society is that everybody just looks to the state and political intervention and just doesn't is no longer concerned about cooperating with their neighbor or treating them as individuals who own their own stuff. Like everybody is just at each other's throats all the time and then politics becomes the center of the whole world because God forbid somebody else get their candidate in because it's in charge of now politics is in charge of my health care. It's in charge of my insurance policies in age of my which car I buy is in charge of which drawl I put in my drink. I mean it becomes so micromanage the to avoid politics to avoid the political system specifically is to just leave yourself at the mercy of every other person who doesn't care, you know how much you're forced to pay. And then you have to also have to consider something else that ninety percent of business enterprises fail. If 90% of business Enterprise fails, so too will 90% of political Enterprise and I think that's being extra conservative in just saying that they're equal because people who have no skin in the game will not produce the same ratio of successful projects. They will be far less successful. I bet it's closer to 99% of political Enterprises fail at the job. They are intended to complete. So not only have we now Justified the ends. We don't even reach the ends. Well over ninety percent of the time but we are still engaging in the immoral means to get there constantly. So when they fail they do it on the backs of a mountain of theft police force imprisonment of thousands who had nothing to do with it or maybe even never even wanted to be a part of it while a business fails on the back of the direct investors or of the incorrect or irresponsible decisions of the people involved in that Enterprise only the people who own it. And they pay the costs and the risks and practically no one else is part of the consequences without choosing for themselves to be involved. It's voluntary and Cooperative action. Whereas everybody else is like when Social Security falls apart, I'm stuck. You know, I've been paying into it ever since I got my first job, but I know I'm not getting a dime out of Social Security. I know that thing is done before I ever withdraw from it, and I'm Screwed I have no again. I can't refuse to pay for it. I absolutely 100% am certain that is a completely failed project that is sucking up not 7% but 15% of what I could earn in a job because the employer just pays me 7% less when they have to equal that on there. So it just becomes a cost for hiring someone. So I'm losing 15 percent of the value that I produce for a retirement plan that will not pay me a milk a gallon of milks worth of value in years Okay, I've gone way too far into this. But let's get back to Nick Carter's article. Okay, the next section I want to get into is just the concept of new warfare. And this was a really brief section on but this is really in line with the sovereign individual which is one of the most fascinating books expanding on this concept and talking about the dynamic of the Dynamics and payoffs of the use of violence to control people and there's there's a there's a there's an audible an audio book coming on Audible so you can actually pre-order it now. I'm so if you have not read the sovereign individual you are in luck. There is an 18-hour audiobook coming very soon and I highly highly recommend it. So if you don't have like inaudible account or you haven't purchased your copy your pre-order, I definitely definitely recommend it so good, but Fair really is it's moving into the digital realm. I mean Wikileaks is at war with major corrupt National and corporate institutions hackers play a significant role in the global political landscape and that is both state-funded hackers and just underground journalists or data leakers or just random kids in their garage who are really pissed off about something and want to pack a police station website or flood some servers have some company or in Institution or something somewhere with a DDOS attack? If you haven't done any like reading or exploring on the insane design of the stuxnet virus, um or just on the history of WikiLeaks and like hackers and stuff. You've really got to another just brilliant just as fascinating fascinating exploration of History. I recommend man. Okay another one on the Bitcoin survivors booklist. Go check out the Bitcoin Survivors book list. There's so many great things up there. But this machine kills it's um, it's kind of about the foundations of WikiLeaks and the history of hackers. You can get it all on the crypto Kana me.com and the book list is you'll see at the Bitcoin Survivors book list is just in the menu up at the top but Bitcoin is a major part of this war currency has always played an astoundingly important role in Warfare even in physical and historical Warfare currency was always had a critical role without a strong currency you have no Churches in power without purchasing power you have no soldiers. You have no police literally without control of the currency you have no you have no means of control because all of our economic behavior on all of our economic ends are created through the market through exchange with other people money is half of every single transaction. It is the most critical enabler of that economy without money as a facilitator. You cannot have like barter produces 1 1 billionth of a possible Market than a one with a monetary standard does so if you don't have a strong currency view you if you don't have a currency you can use to purchase your soldiers your weapons your police, whatever it is, then you have nothing and it doesn't matter that you demand taxes in. Currency, either you can tax all you want but if your policies are so bad that your money loses its fundamental value. Nothing can save it on Venezuela perfect example, they're just as violent if they're more violent than they ever have been but their currency still worth crap. So unfortunately almost every modern banking system regulatory regime and political institution believes and is espousing the same exact rhetoric that resulted in the current Venezuelan policies is a little scary but at least to a milder degree and the economy is so much larger and so much more interconnected that they can get away with it for much longer than Venezuela did but here's another great section is that if Bitcoin is truly a Tilt at the state and it is a external to the nation state is a non State institution that we intend and our building to resist the state and survive in spite of For the long term and that's what we are creating this technological and networking system to do. Well then what does that mean for all coins? And the so there's there's a quote that I absolutely love for. This is quote given the immensity of this task and the existential threat that it poses to the state only the most committed could possibly take up the calls the great sin of all Corners is not that they backed the wrong horse, but that they did so with insufficient conviction. They sold a dream that they themselves did not truly believe and quote so true and he talks about he hits it hits it home in the article. Is that the success for an altcoin? ER is a good exit. It's a it's a pre-sale a pump and a dump. That's it. Dumping on the the hype cycle and all Corners desperately holding onto bags. Just hoping for someone else to buy it so that they can exit is literally the story of 99% of all coins in their supposed investors. And what's hilarious is I had no idea but actually read the when he talks about like EOS like he owes holding a hundred forty thousand Bitcoin, he links to an article and actually read the whole article because I was like, holy crap. Yeah. Yes, just as Bitcoin on its balance sheet and this could this could not be a more important lesson to learn for everyone listening to this on the fifth anniversary of bits teens. Everyone is a scammer which you can listen to on the most recent noted podcast or obviously the episode on my show. I'll link to a link to the noted podcast actually and you know if it happens that Michael Goldstein or Pierre or anybody listens either one of them listens to this show. Thank you so much. That was just so awesome. And I didn't know idea. You're actually going to leave the comment area that we are going to grab out the the actual read on but I don't know that just that was really great. And I know it's probably given me a lot more exposure. So I really appreciate that. But if you haven't been if anybody listening to this hasn't been to the Bitcoin conferences and you hadn't met them you got to come in a hangout Goldstein and Pierre are literally the nicest. Pulling the world. All of their trolling on Twitter is absolutely a giant disguise. But he owes could not be a better example just Prime top-notch. Oh the coin is successful. Look at still in the top 10. What are they holding on their balance sheet mountains and mountains of Bitcoin. They do not believe the dream they sold everybody else. And those questions that he poses that we should be asking to our government and banking institutions are a hundredfold more potent Lee applied to just some garbage all coin. Why do you get to knit currency? Why do you get some incredible position of control and power over what the rules of money are what makes your shit coin? So different that it needs a completely new unique system. We're going to ignore the the Thousands of Alternatives but they don't somehow fit your perfect prescription for what a money is. They have to have your control and Direction Where do you wear it? Where does anyone get the authority to do this? And how are you how is it going to be made in vulnerable or at least deeply independent of political capture? The simple fact is they're all there because they want they the power over money The Profit potential of the good with the highest total addressable Market is unknown it is there is no equal anywhere in the world. Like there is nothing as unbelievably profitable which he owes could not be a better example of they have a hundred and forty thousand Bitcoin. They won off of their scam think about it, like what a brilliant play they Made nothing. They didn't do anything. They made a pseudo centralized crap coin and got a one of the biggest balances of the most secure independent money in the world. And when he talks about when Nick when Nick Carter talks about conviction in Bitcoin that the only the most committed could possibly take up the calls it you have to ask another question. Question like Bitcoin maximalism is not at odds with this Bitcoin. Maximalism is a declaration of this it is it is I'm going to hold till the end because I have incredible conviction and this the end is not to get rich the end is to create an extra State institution and external to the state institution. That is the final Arbiter of financial ownership. Maximalists are not a bug they are a feature very critical. Piece of the puzzle for Bitcoin success. It is the it is the intolerant minority that will win by default as Nassim taleb says and I love that we talk about that just just a little while ago a couple episodes back. I can't remember which one but talking about the minority rule that if altcoin a B and C are like, oh we should be Pro Innovation. We should all work together and we'll accept Bitcoin and altcoin a or Bitcoin and and all coin be but then bitcoiners are no we will not accept anything but Bitcoin your altcoin A B and C are all crap. Well, then the bitcoiners win by default because they are the only ones forcing a market Standard or putting their individual steak on a market Standard that they accept only And I love the Nick Carter's idea of the all coin that the idea of an altcoin maximalists world where everybody has their own coin hits and it creates this this ocean of pointless and high friction conversion between currencies not just when you need to transfer money between countries, but every time you shop it ones for versus another and that we're all just going to have our own unique. Nique Network features and to get a feature you have to do a Forex trade to some other currency its is hilarious. Like it's absolutely ridiculous. It really is and all it is is a regression of the market efficiency that a monetary good actually produces you immediately have a your reinstating the double coincidence of wants problem into a virtual my a virtual market for money, which is absurd because the And the one great utility of money is that it solves the double coincidence of wants problem. So to think that the market is then going to produce a double coincidence of wants of goods that are only there to solve double coincidence of wants is just stupid. It just it doesn't make any logical sense. If you actually extend out from the basic idea of Market competition because a monetary good will always tend to one. Oh, I just remembered. I just remember what article it was that we talked about this this was Bitcoin can't be copied. That was Parker Lewis has article man. I'm gonna have so many things to link to in the show notes. Don't forget to check out that one. If you have not heard it yet such a great topic and you know, we went at it Parker Lewis has so many great pieces in his gradually then suddenly series highly highly recommended. But there's another quote from Nick that he gets to. And I love this one too, because Bitcoin even bit like just the idea of Bitcoin maximalism. So many people is like, oh it's anti-competitive know it's steak. It's putting your money where your mouth is that there is going to be a winner in the competition of the best money and that it is Bitcoin and there was nobody saying you're going to be forced to use Bitcoin and this quote was just great. Is that quote you have the right but not the obligation to present to In the most transparent auditable debasement free and well-defined monetary system that the world has ever known end quote gold just gold and success in Bitcoin is not having to exit at all. We just talked about this on Mondays meet up this week on the Raleigh Bitcoin meet up and it's so true the quote-unquote normies who I speak to or whatever who remember that your I Bitcoin at some time and then they see it Skyrocket. They always ask me. So are you going to cash out and you know, you know put it in something and I'm just like I get that perspective. I totally understand it. And I know it's so hard to get around because I can see their perception of me like I can stand in their shoes and they look at me as someone who is just totally in love with an investment that I got paid a huge return and what I should do as a smart investor is extracted. Back into the real economy or real money and I'm just going to lose all my gains because I have become in love with my investment. I'm emotionally tied to it and obviously the because I have had success so far. It will just take over the world and go up for infinity and I will never sell because when women from their perspective obviously this has run its course. It's just finding equilibrium price and how it's going to be done with the massive profit position. That is as it has had in the market, but I'm not selling and I know that looks crazy to most people but Bitcoin is the endgame of my investment strategy. Like I am this success of this system is that I will never have to exit now. I might I might take value out and put it in some other things to better my life or particularly when it's a very life-changing amount, but it will not be dollars. Not be going to Dollars. It will be for some real-world resource or some other function. It will be the very function that money serves I will not be going to Dollars outside of the fact that I may need to go to Dollars first in order to get what I'm actually going for but my money is Bitcoin. I will never go back to having no savings to fall back on it is fundamentally changed my idea of savings my idea of what it means to be stable or prepared for the future. Future and I will never go I will not be going back into debt just to get by on my spending habits have changed my thinking about money have changed and they've changed for good. I cannot properly see how there is any way to go back to my old way of thinking about things and I don't know if that makes me smart or just flat crazy, but that's where I am. I partly even though I get so excited about it and I am so emotionally attached to it as you can tell with my rant. I partly do all of my reading I still had constantly read things that like are against my opinion. It's not really on the show. Um, and or the challenge my opinion that's why I like having debates with people. Um, because I think if I can't hold if I can't defend my ideas for myself to myself against a well-informed adversary. Then I have to admit to myself. I have to realize that I don't know the full truth that I am not accounting for certain information or certain incentives or on aspects of the system that that made completely alter what the results of what I believe are where I am telling myself a current story and a current set of outcomes that you know are always always based on limited knowledge because I'm an individual I can't there's there's millions of times. The information out there than can ever be consumed by even thousands of people there is no I am right. I've reached the end of knowledge. Okay, let's see. Oh, oh the best line in this whole article that I just I was like just it just so sweet. I can hit every part like a dad to stop my recording and like dwell on this one for a second is quote capped Supply is not a feature of Bitcoin. The supply cap is Bitcoin. Adjust straight fire for everyone who does not get this. This is it I never really put my finger directly on it. But this has been the key to something that I have known about Bitcoin for a very long time. And that is the simplest most direct way to put it the capped monetary Supply. The monetary system itself is Bitcoin if that changes in any way it is simply a different thing period I think the signature scheme could be completely altered. The is features could be added core flexibility could be increased or decreased in minor ways. All of those things. I may still call Bitcoin regarding or at least to the degree that it is enabling and enforcing the same ownership in the same Supply schedule, but the monetary policy is the Beating Heart it is the core value. Of what makes it a challenge to the system's it's replacing its what makes it an alternative that is entirely and fundamentally different to what the mainstream or what the status quo alternative is. Then we get into a section about Satoshi in this is something God talked about it in so many times and every time I recover this topic of the incredible just the magic almost of satoshi's story of the origin story of Bitcoin. It just gets better and better. I got want to figure out there needs to be a way to tell this in just a magical beautiful like Promethean style story. But you Manatee like like us as humans. We relate to everything around us. We relate to our social systems. We relate to our friends and our families. Our relationships are our environment. Everything is a story of what it means to us. And that's why I telling someone a story about a character or a human a human story of a technology or of the lesson to learn a moral lesson or something is vast has vastly more impact than explaining some technical. Detail or explaining some pattern or relationship. If you tell a human story, you'll it will spread far and wide if you just explain a lesson to somebody it will sound like electorate will carry no emotional weight and most people won't listen to it. But that's what Satoshi story is. Just amazing. It's a toe she built the system entirely from scratch released it and announced it to the world months before the network went live. I've kept the project alive in its infancy like Helped maintain and nurture it through its early life and then fully stepped away from the project and has left billions of dollars on the table learned from his early stewardship completely untouched and he's anonymous we have no idea who it is. It is just the I mean, are you kidding? Are you kidding me? What an astounding story? And this quote is quote is so beautiful. But this is from Nick Carter's article Satoshi daringly stole the state's most treasured possession. It's right to unencumbered money creation and gave it to the people in the purest way possible end quote gah. I love this article. I love it so much, but you're immediately then we jump into the section of well, why doesn't the state intervenes? Right and the truth of band would not stop Bitcoin. It just wouldn't it would not shut down the system. It would not be of global concern because there would need to be a global cooperation in Banning it. I mean his Nick said are we really expect do we think we're going to see the US and its allies making policy decisions and North Korea, Russia China Saudi Arabia and everybody is just going to play along did these the he's essential in essentially enemies of these institutions would now have an open attack Vector to do damage or weaken the United States in an indirect way because if we're talking about Bitcoin becoming a reasonable threat here, then that would that's what a policy band would actually suggest that they now have access to a Sly rind about roundabout way to to Dethrone the dollar and possibly even make an extraordinary amount of money in the process. I can't see I can't see every country getting that up so easily and it's the could also mean from their standpoint of banning it of many on the surface, but Mining and buying up reserves for a later retraction of that legal status in the future. So it doesn't even have to it can look on the surface but there can still be a war and a use of Bitcoin to threaten the hegemony of some other currency. Obviously the dollar being a prime example here. Here in the background to that. This could be done sneakily. It's not not unheard of for governments to do exactly those sorts of things. And also remember that even in the u.s. Regulations are very often entirely written enacted and enforced start to finish by unelected officials or institutions that are not ousted during an election cycle. These are extra election external to the In process institutions and that's about as wide open of a vulnerability as you can get so when we're talking about a currency like Bitcoin that's made easily Anonymous and censorship and is censorship resistant what better tool for a personal in the dark like Arbitrage play. So if not, the regulator's themselves, which bank is going to do it which Corporation or government hiding behind. Um sort of Corporation somebody is going to play the game to make boatloads of money on something like that in those in those billion billionaire Social Circles. But then again he mentions it also really shined a light on the perception of government's role and that Eric's Matt from Jason Stapleton show that we did in a previous group chat episode. I was on actual Jason Stapleton show, but it's published in my feet. I'm at brought it up as well is that this really confuses or Sean's exposes what the government is actually up to or what its role a actually is because we're currently witnessing a really really serious breakdown in the status quo narrative and Nick Carter says that he thinks everything is getting worse and I and maybe he's right I think and like the political sense, but I think the reason everything is getting politically worse is because a consequence of everything actually getting better at kind of the Grassroots level and maybe he thinks that as well, but I'll explain Like the massive push that he talks about in the article to socialism and openly communist politicians. I truly think it's a result because of them actually losing a lot of their cloud and he's even says the Nick says in the article that did journalists are reduced to like passing on just State messages in a futile effort to the fight against media startups and Youtubers with like a thousand. Is there cloud and I think that's again. I think they're having to cling to that because they are losing their clout because there is this huge Insurgent alternative media a market that is breaking down what used to be one extremely, um widely-held narrative and it's breaking down into hundreds of narratives is breaking down into everyone is telling themselves a different story at a personal level. Is a lot less cohesion. We're having a bit of a global identity crisis right now and it's again, it's not just it's not just the US. It's literally across the modern world that we're losing that political cohesion that we used to have and I think a lot of people who feel desperate or feel like things are getting worse because because of the loss of that Collective identity and because of that they're lat Catching on to the idea of socialism and Far Far More stringent collectivist ideas is because they're losing the power. There's no worry if you have political and social cohesion, you don't really have to cling to it so hard it's like well, we already really kind of have the dominant mindset but when it starts getting challenged when starts to Splinter into all of these different Avenues when you can't control the narrative because not everybody's watching the news anymore because people are leaving those Forms in droves and seeking out different thought that's when you have to cling to it. That's when you have to go that next level authoritarian and you have to try to control these the alternative platforms and you have to fight against it because you're grabbing owns it you psycho somebody realizing the relationship is falling apart. They get extra clingy they get extra jealous and controlling like that's what that's what happens. And I think it's a result of the relationship falling apart. We're losing that power. Our Center that that center of the narrative that we are all telling on and because of that they're trying to they're using far greater breadth of their power and their position in order to attempt to reinforce it as it starts to fall apart. Like I said, it's like a global identity crisis in a relationship that's breaking down and everybody's getting really controlling and clingy and jealous. That's genuinely had kind of how I see it. I think that's a great analogy. You personally but when it kind of comes to that when when a government is again something that Matt talked about on Jason Stapleton show was that will look how ridiculous they look when they're afraid of a financial commodity doesn't expose them as just the controlling parasitic person in this relationship that they actually are from their position. Like what could particularly one that commodity is. Is deeply embracing the idea of openness and fairness that that it is saying you are too you were to corrupt you are not open enough when the actual dichotomy it is only through ignorance that they can position Bitcoin as a less Fair system. So when they're exposed when they're exposed as controlling and paranoid about just a financial tool. Well then using Bitcoin that is the position that using Bitcoin has always been that is Been Bitcoins position is escaping the arrogance an arbitrary authority of the state and corporate institutions. So it all it does is reinforce what Bitcoin is needed for? It's like holy crap. I really do need Bitcoin. I really do need to get around the political whims of the capricious State and is so it only reinforces. Exactly the dominant use or the dominant utility of the Bitcoin system as an alternative to the state as the state becomes more paranoid and more controlling Bitcoin looks more and more necessary to a greater demographic of people across the globe and it's always there. That's the best the most beautiful thing about the whole article and his conclusion is that it's not going anywhere. It's already positioned itself as in that narrative is already very strongly serving that narrative in places in like Venezuela Argentina and Zimbabwe. They're not going to give two shits if their country bands Bitcoin or not. They have to have it to survive and there is a exploding Underground Market for it specifically because of that it is the only way that you can get the true black market price of the currency when the official rates are garbage when they're Just by decree. So as the pool of currencies Invasion terrible and declining situations is growing. It's not getting smaller. It is only going to grow this not I can't think of one. I can't think of one currency in the modern Fiat Financial system. That is it has anything anywhere to go but down right now like the whole thing is deeply interconnected reliant on Each other and all the currencies are in a bad situation debts are bad everywhere across the board. So there will be many more countries added to the list of Venezuela Argentina in Zimbabwe and it will obviously I think it will inevitably happen with smaller the smaller countries. It will be a cascading effect a domino effect that goes up the ladder from small countries two big countries or small currencies to Big currencies, but the number of people that will begin to completely lose respect. Spect and Trust in their country's currency is going to increase the I don't see any way that that Trend declines are stopped, you know could be the Euro could be the British pound. So we got brexit and all that Fiasco happening right now could be the you on the Indian rupee. It could it could be the dollar it's going to eventually be the dollar. I think I don't see any way that we get out of our current imbalance without a massive devaluation of the currency and all of the other ones are tied the mean they're back. $5.00. So what happens when we have, you know, a cascading Bond crisis what happens when negative interest rates all over the place what happens when people's pyncheons start to evaporate during a credit default what happens with the student loan bubble? What what about our wonderfully re-inflated housing bubble or the stock market bubble? What happens when any of these start to Teeter in a significant way when the cracks of these foundations start to be Used and they start the process into their painful and long overdue Market Corrections. What does everybody just going to be like, oh man. Oh, that's all Shucks. That sucks. I really wanted to retire and they're just going to sit and just take it up the rear. These things are Stark are going to start moving together and these systemic problems are tying it all to the same giant sinking Titanic and people will be desperate for an exit. In Bitcoin will be there Bitcoin will remain present for the entire thing. And I personally think that because Bitcoin is the only true Alternative Market that is external to the state apparatus and the deeply connected failures of or the the string of collapsing dominoes of the financial System. Since Bitcoin is the only truly external thing to this that a bet against Bitcoin is a bet for the long-term stability and the successful outcome of global negative interest rates across many trillions of dollars worth of assets. The absurdity of that the we the global economy is so shockingly over-leveraged and exhausted of actual resources that the money manipulators are actually paying financial institutions to borrow money that this is being casually normalized across the majority of the modern world should scare the shit out of anyone with more than $100 wrapped up into the modern. King system I keep the absolute minimum amount of money outside of Bitcoin as I can possibly manage and I make sure it is it is either spent very quickly on useful consumption Goods or some other like real world thing or that it is back behind my private Keys as soon as possible. And people say don't you know, don't put any more into Bitcoin than you're willing to use to lose. Well, I get that to some extent when we're talking about as an investment and but I think there is another thing to consider that it is equally important to remember not to keep any money any more money in the bank and fiat currency than you're willing to lose there is no there is no riskless Safe Haven in this economy right now in the financial world. It is all exposed. It's on to some risk and the idea that the dollar is not a risk and that keeping money in a large banking institution is not a risk is to ignore the risk that is actually there and Bitcoin is going to be there. As all of this comes to a head even with some sort of ban or concerted effort to attack it like a giant political campaign against it. I truly think Bitcoin will not be stopped. It won't be shut down because it just can't be and you know, there may be some incredibly powerful attack and we've seen a lot of attacks and we've seen ways that it can be Your mind but I think it would require such a profound and focused effort and it would be specifically the need to attack Bitcoin would specifically be during a time when I think all of these institutions will have an enormous amount of growing other problems on their hands. So if we're talking about Bitcoin is beginning to squeeze itself into a position where it threatens large National currencies and Banking and corporate control understand that the the purchasing power of these governments and institutions will be falling as Bitcoin increases as Bitcoin grows. So at a certain size Bitcoin could very well be the Catalyst that puts pressure on many of these markets and imbalances to correct them sooner than they otherwise may have been or may have been forced to do the facade is really easy to maintain in a world where all Fiat currencies are falling at the same time but a financial world with I mean make it a lot more difficult to tell a lie about what the price of said money is Venezuela and Argentina are learning that lesson right. Now. I suspect sanctions and controls being forced on Iranians and the you mini population are going to be learning the same thing very soon, and they will not be the last ones to do so. Man, I still have more to say I'm gonna I'm gonna wrap it up though. We're of calling way too long here is going to be a crazy long episode and it's taken me two days to really put this together. So we're just going to end it with I just want to read the last paragraph again of the article. So if you haven't if you haven't listened to it, I'm going to spoil the end. So shame on you for not listening to Nick Carter's article, but I quote you may do ride Bitcoin no matter Echoing will be there for you when you need it. You may not need it. Now you may not need it ever but as we plunge into a more despotic authoritarian and chaotic world. You may one day feel comfort knowing that the world's highest Assurance wealth protection system in history is waiting patiently for you. Until then it will keep ticking along. And what a better way to end today's episode. Thank you guys so much for listening. I also want to give a shout-out. We have got two new sponsors to the show. I already think Maximilian on one of the previous episodes. But in other ones another huge, thank you to Maximilian. And then we have also got a Cameron and David Warren new patrons to this show supporting the work of turning. 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Today we have a follow up to Nic Carter's excellent piece on Medium, A Most Peaceful Revolution. An incredible article that deserves an exhaustive discussion and easily earns a few ridiculous rants. What could be better for Guy's Take 23? Other episodes and works mentioned in the show for a deeper dive: A Most Peaceful Revolution https://anchor.fm/thecryptoconomy/episodes/CryptoQuikRead_293---A-Most-Peaceful-Revolution-Nic-Carter-e5bfpm Anatomy of the State https://mises.org/library/anatomy-state A Cypherpunk's Manifesto https://anchor.fm/thecryptoconomy/episodes/CryptoQuikRead_163---A-Cypherpunks-Manifesto-e2ndpc The Crypto Anarchist Manifesto https://www.activism.net/cypherpunk/crypto-anarchy.html The Bitcoin Survivor's Book List https://cryptoconomy.life/bitcoin-survivors-book-list/ Bitcoin and the Promise of Independent Property Rights https://anchor.fm/thecryptoconomy/episodes/CryptoQuikRead_225---Bitcoin--the-Promise-of-Independent-Property-Rights-e3j6b8 Bitcoin Can't Be Copied https://anchor.fm/thecryptoconomy/episodes/CryptoQuikRead_291---Bitcoin-Cant-Be-Copied-Parker-Lewis-e58g11 --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast.

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Welcome to AfterBuzz is Real Housewives of New York City after show. I am your host Hollywood Lynne, and I'm here. With DJ Jesse J of like everything how many how many shows do you got boo now, you can check me every Monday night 10 9:30 p.m. For AfterBuzz tonight. Yes. I knew shh. We have our own little James Corden over here. I'm by little he needs my files. Thank you. Yes, he's just wait snatched and everything. She's coming for the summer. Let's get into it. We have a lot to cover. We have some news by me that you might want to stay tuned till the end because I just wrapped my show. It's Bravo bitch with Hollywood Lian. I had the below deck. Royalty Hannah and Collin stay tuned for a photo. I ran into Craig from Southern Charm to New York City. Stay tuned for the story. Did you run into him? I ran down him. There's a lot of things happening tonight download drinks Bethany's freaking out. It's like scary Island, but On land in Miami tropical so I'm going to Tropical shirt might take it off and show you guys my nipples later, but let's get into it. How are you? I haven't seen you in awhile blessed and highly favored and honey. I needed a little break. There you go. I like the all black today. Yeah. I want to go with like a you know, a little baseball theme. Oh, yeah as if I played Sports all black but no negative energy right none because we're not having that the girls don't want that Ramona made it very clear. Let's start. Brett this guy is 60 years old kind of hot, like six five. We're starting a fight with him and we're starting to fight for it in right away download drinks. Bethany says to Sonia luck. No more partying. Okay, and Sonia says when I party a party they had a little intervention. So they just decided that Bethenny was being compassionate Luann was being judgmental what she was she's been such a bitch this episode and you guys know how I feel about her, but it was Really good to watch though and Ramona's like you don't own brat. This was the opening you guys jumped right into it. I was like I was like, well here we are. Here's my cup of tea. Yeah, like we jumped right into it. So here's the important things starting with positivity. I'm worried for Luann. I'm like, I'm like I'm like signs that like you have to be cautious of your friend and I think that this is something that's like, you know, what Luann is going to do what Luann's going to do. Let Luanne do what she's going to do. Let her go to the beach and let her feel isolated at a point. Like honestly like I heard go to the beach like girl. You're coming off judgmental. Oh, you are not understanding that you're coming off judgmental. Okay girl, but I've we're gonna go talk in the kitchen though the she is but the thing is is like like I don't believe the actual he's putting on I do believe she's being a bitch and she knows it. And she's just like rolling with it. It's like part Countess part new Luann like but like dude, I don't know like I deserve this because of what I just went through and because I went through this, you know, kind of how she's acting. Yeah, and I but in there are people like that like you look at someone like her and Bethany where Bethany just went through something equally as tragic, but she's handling it different. She's still is her so she still is aware Luann has not and you know Luann is a Entertainer like Bethenny is a businesswoman. There's a reason these people are like this Luann is an entertainment. She gon be 95 Golden Girls. A lot of fairs are Kapoor like that. Well woman she's gonna go see that AA like it is really gotten to another level like bitch. We told you to like say your story your over here tap dancing at a a like at least Nene's getting a comedy tour girl. You know, we're a well Ramona made it clear from the beginning of the episode. She wants a piece of Brett to you. No, and she will steal your man. I feel like Ramona is Shady when it comes to men. She was like wait a second Hensley's on a date. I could have gone on a date. I'd rather hang out. I'd rather get laid that hang out with you bitches. And that's exactly what she meant. Yeah, and she should she will and she has mouth sex with Harry. It's gonna be a lot of talk about mouth sex tonight because tensley was like look, I'm a kissing slut and it's better than being like another kind of sweat. So I'd rather just like Kiss everyone at the bar like find out who I like. Then like fuck everyone at the bar. Yeah, like I don't get why they were so mad at it. Like I'm like let the girl beat like first of all, she's hammered like we should all be worried that she's leaving the house and the state you look cute. I like Tinsley this this this episode. So the Tinsley people who guides you're getting you getting this from me. I like Tinsley this episode. I like her but this episode that outfit I liked the cut of it, but it was to fringy like I actually like was like, oh she came cute and then when I start Optical Bell That wasn't that was like well, it's white girl tropical if I was you I would maybe it's because she's coming from like the Hamptons and if you're going to go down to Miami, you gotta like Latin it up a little bit. You know, you gotta JLo it out Barbara was kind of like on that track with the self tanner. But Barbara was looking rough. She looked like roast beef like she looked Barbara look like a raccoon who just got caught coming up the trash like like I was worried for her face. She looks like the hamburger again in like it remember the Hamburglar. Yeah. She looked like the Hamburglar. She looked like a piece of ham that I cooked last Christmas, but here's the thing we talked about no negative energy and not here on the show. Well, Ramona says no negative energy. Well, no, but then here you guys all are like using Luann as you're like dartboard, right? Yeah, which earned she was doing those things, but then that's how you bring barber in to the group like And did you notice like while she was having the breakdown the other ladies were nice about it. So like she was like over here telling the way I'm like, I'm really really hurt and because of that these bitches like totally ripped me a new one like shit even saying that any like Bethenny was like you're a Debbie Downer. Yeah, I would have been like I'm mad at you too for calling me a Debbie Downer. I'm mad at you for like not paying attention to me. No, because the thing with Bethenny is like yeah. She said you're being a Debbie Downer. The thing is the girls are saying this to her but they're not leaving her. Yeah, so it's like a reality check. It's like hey, this is how you're acting know and I love her on vacation. And I love that about Bethenny just because I think she is at personally she tells it how it is and she won't leave the conversation exactly know but she'll set there and like rip you to shreds but she's like, okay we were up you to shreds now. Let's build you back up now. That's why Luann had that comment at the end of so, we're just building women up to break them down. No, bitch. You want being a real bitch we built you up and bitch you you're missing what the group Jenga that's who blew an is. Anger and she is walking away. She's not hanging out with everybody Luann's like I mean Bethenny is like I'm just gonna make it happen. I'm gonna do what we gotta do Sonia, you know, you gotta go to this meeting and sonja's at the door five minutes later. Of course, the lands not ready. Okay, but do you feel like okay, I guess Anya is like kind of like but like enough to have to like what you need to go to a meeting on your vacation. I wouldn't have gone. Like I really feel like Bethenny spoke. So Sonja was like, all right, I'll go for you. I really do feel like they were on to that because I don't think Sonja wanted to go. She said she didn't want to go. I don't know if we needed smoke signals, but no one was getting the fucking sign. Sorry. She didn't want to go we're going to make this episode explicit. She did not want to go, you know what I mean? But no, I like again in this is like, I don't know where because Bethany's on one that she really is our one and not all of it has to do with the other ladies like she's coming in hot. Yeah, but and that's pretty thick stuff. Yeah, exactly but like again with Like you have that conversation there with her and then you say when we get back home, you know a girl. I'm gonna come with you because like they all know Landing for her girl like for you to go glue in is a loose cannon. So what we're going to send her with that and Luann was totally performing in bad and sonja's like you love it. You're up there telling your story you're doing you Cabaret act basically and everyone else is like, I'm homeless. I'm living paycheck to paycheck. I'm living on the streets. Here's the thing sonja's an empath. She went there went to that meeting. Ting and literally absorbed all of that energy and came back and had a breakdown Sonny needs a therapist. She didn't exactly exactly therapist she needs to learn how to deal with her real life. So that way when she does go out and there's alcohol around she knows how to apply that because this was the wrong move her the win needs a a and I love that all the ladies totally rallied around Sonia they knew what she was going through there. Like that's all right. Oh my god, let's find we don't have our truffle fries, but it's fine. Like we're gonna don't come sit over here. Yeah, I know. It's wet nurse and everywhere. We don't have a truffle fries but come over here. And do you think that they were so empathetic to that point because well they just get her butt beat or because it was like, okay, we really like I wonder he was a conversation and we did fuck now. We like it's an amputation like that's is crazy. I'm like, why did you guys send her to a media on vacation? It makes no sense and with Luann like we know she got so drunk she fell off the table and you know how to call the paramedics but this happened. That's what you know, you're having fun. I love it when the ambulance comes because usually the guys are cute. Yeah, and they like her hydrates you were thirsty around here. Well, you know what the stories are now in sonja's head and they're making her crazy and I really do believe that she was taking on everyone's stories and she said it like I am now like the guy that's isolated and then the guy that's living on the streets. Like I feel bad for these people. Why did you make me do that? You were seriously performing. I was sitting there taking everyone else in not cool. But again mental health issue because if someone didn't have a mental health issue, they would go to that and be like, I don't know why you guys sent me to that because I feel bad for what they're going through but that's not my story. I actually feel so good about myself. Yeah. Thank you guys. I'm actually not going to drink tonight. I'm gonna have a saucer two limes Luann is swimming walking around Miami probably drinking Seltzer's ignoring texts about out truffle fries clearly getting her picture taken at the Fillmore by strangers fans, whatever you want to call it. I am PA a set PA as she was queuing her to say, isn't this amazing for me right while we're going crazy for truffle fries. Like I don't blame them and shut up not shout out to the editors shame on y'all because you built up that truffle fry and I needed nothing moment at the end other than durendal thrown it, and I need a Bethenny just somewhere. Trouble. I know Dorinda brought it up in the confessional. That's because they knew like you're gonna be able to truffle fries because it has mentioned it so many times and then Bethany didn't mention it in her monologue the monologue started with the build-up of like everything around the table, but it started with you're a sicko and then it just spiraled down Bethany is arranging the date for tensley and according to her dinner. She ordered some apps from Far away, I don't know bread is coming. I'm down for it. I'm down for tensley to have a little fling to forget about fat Scott like you don't need to be crying thinking about some chubby guy in Chicago. Like you're a good-looking woman from New York on a reality television show like Scott who get your life girl. Get your life. Go make out with six year old Brett who's hot who probably has his own company to yeah. There's plenty of fish out there girl. Do not settle. I think you should be out kissing everybody. Yeah, I know what you like. Anyways, I'm down for it Barbara and her self tanner staining the white furniture Sonia Sonia says air conditioning full blast in the car makes her want to poop. I was really weird. This is awkward. I don't know it makes my nipples hard but it doesn't make me want to poop. They see makes you know Mozart. Yes. I don't know maybe hearing that maybe you're into that. What's that called scat play Italy. I am not the sky. At Queen so gross. Could you be about that? Yeah, exactly. We're talking about singing reps. Sonya says kissing a guy on the first date is not the way you make babies. Well, we're not here for that Ramona. I'm pretty sure that kissing leads to the ACT that that's how you know, how you make babies. I think it is more so saying it like you're not going to be able to keep a man. If you kissed another girl true ain't gonna keep my nephew fuck on the first That's the saying everyone says don't sleep on the first date and you'll be fine. You could do it on the second day. I just gonna kiss him. Like if the vibe is there. Why is it takes on the first date? They had been talking first. Yeah. I think it's like you can see their groove and like well, y'all know if you want a second date with the first date kiss. Yeah, but there's nothing wrong with a little first state romp as well. Right because Ramona here with the pool boy, like soaping all my girls give him hand jobs under this was exactly that's why she said I'd rather be on a date. Then like me hanging out with you bitch. Okay. So here's my thing with Ramona and this episode when she had that that beige dress on with the white top and she's just the walking towards the table. There was a moment where I was just like she's so iconic because in my mind, I love her those years of like Brittany coming out of like Britney Spears coming out of like the gas station with just her foot. Is that love my girl Brittany? That's my queen and I quaint but the thing is is like I was together. It's all about inclusion Brittany Army. No, there wasn't Like free Brittany feel like that should have been Brittany at some point in like I know Brittany could literally be on the house while I could tell it how it is kind of grown is she can't she could never have she'd be like you guys think that the paparazzi doesn't Photoshop. Well they do. Okay my scares bad because I just got off a boat. Did you see my Instagram photo? Look who I'm banging he is so fine. Yes. Oh my God. He is on a whole different level. Level of fine. Yeah, good get it girl. It's like he's the kind of fine. She's a nympho. So all they're doing exactly we all saw chaotic. She's like the sex is really good. That's what makes it do a flip exactly. I feel all there's a photo of Britney of iconic black. Mascara. God bless. You said before it started getting to know there's still life in it. Well, they're gone already the life was already gone by then. But here's the thing though. He's so fine that it's like you can do. Ben yeah, like there's a level where you will say to another person you could literally do anything to me because you're that fine you want to talk to my brother has risk at play comes in. You want to fart my face. Go ahead. All right, Sonya says, that's not how babies are made. I don't know why she's being so like uptight all of a sudden like you don't even live on the Upper East Side anymore. I was in New York and you live in Columbus Circle, so Luan is getting ready for this table. All eruptions that's going to occur for now. It's just a table talk and it's Barbara saying you know what like I have been there. I've had a shield for you me and orenda fought for like half of the first couple episodes over your ass because I was so down for you and you have not been down for me when you going to be down for me. I've been down for you. Yeah, and you know at first I thought okay Luanne sitting there. She's listening she is taking this in and Found her Q2, like and Bethany Chi this is why I love Bethenny because she called it out. Like no let her finish speaking. Then you give a hug but what you're doing is don't want to Annex circus. You're creating us cabaret show Ivan action. Let me come a hug the fancy can't finish that off. Oh my God. I love that. You said that ugh this fan because she's not even like part of The Clique cat so she's like, let me go hug you or oh come on before I lose you. If you're listening to us on iTunes, thank you so much. Give us a give us a five star rating now. And if you're watching us, which I know you are. Hi guys. I see you guys in the live chat Tabitha Roadhouse hides. Good to see you. Laurie Joey anyone else feel like crying like Ramona by the end of the show. Yes. She was silently we've been in the corner. We're not there yet L Calvert JD. Hello. Let's see. Who else? Oh Jess you were in the live chat as well going in there. I see you. I see you filled. Reiter. Yes, I see. You are your feelings for Luann starting to turn like dorinda's five drinks, mine are yes, you know Luann has always been my favorite but she's really been on a roll lately. The evolution of Luann has been like a full circle, but we're just it hasn't been at 360. She doesn't know what a 360 or a 180 is. She's like Sonja just did a 360 on me. No, that would mean she's back at the same place. She was before you mean she did a 180 on you. She's on the apis. Opposite end of the spectrum and that's what I'm trying to talk about. Luann's Evolution has not been 360. It would be great. If she would come back to the old Luann, you know, the slut that that that person that is on the phone trying to cover up that she had sex with the pirate. You know what I mean Chic C'est La Vie, they know my music it's gone to a ridiculous level like now she's touring stadiums. So for that reason, she doesn't have to be a good friend anymore like really big theaters. That's stadiums like Taylor Swift. But like she's playing really big theaters. And I guess now she doesn't have to be a good friend. What do we think about Luann's Evolution as a housewife from beginning to end? She's been really good. She's fallen in the bushes. He's given us laughs but where she is now is not where we want her to be. No, she's giving me like a Beverly Hills housewife Vibe where it's like y'all just need to give it up everyone. Just give it up walk away. You have your little your fan. Base already now, they will come for the next 10 years to cut you a little cabaret show in San Francisco girl or wherever you're doing it because the Stadium's probably won't last if you're not on TV, so keep on doing those AA meetings. Yeah, you know, maybe some vet Halls some you know what I mean? Like go visit some other places, but I don't think there is evolution. I think it's a d Evolution and it's actually like I don't see it turning positive. Yeah, like I think this is who Luann Is now this is the new Luanne welder. Enda said she's like I can't even take this. I want them to get out. I don't like this new Luann like and Orinda hasn't been messing with that little man like this whole season you guys to render it has been write like this whole time. We've been giving to rent a crap about the Giovanni thing. But you know what underlining it all she's been right like this is the new Luann. They're not going to get a 360 LuAnn. We're at this like stage where she is stuck. Knit because she does she's performing for the gays in San Francisco. Like you said, that's that's her new thing. She doesn't care about anything else in her mind. She's bigger than who she is. Oh, absolutely and in her mind she thinks she's the new Madonna not after that next week on ya know that preview of the song. I can't hear let's talk about Tinsley's date. I love Tinsley. She was actually really getting me happy this season our this. So die like that, she was at the bar a little tipsy. I like that. She was bringing up her Chihuahua it like I bring up my dog. I wish to bring up the kids thing though. That was kind of weird. She said this isn't a conversation about that. But which means you're putting it out there so that he knows I just want to tell you this two ways to write but we're not talking about that retract Chihuahuas. I'm like girl you can't go into that and be like, but that wasn't for you. That was just my outer monologue that I was saying out loud because basically what you just said to a man is we don't Have to talk about kids now because I know you're not into it. But if we are to continue this eventually I will be bringing it up and you're six years old. So can you even do that for me? Oh, yeah, Kenny 60. Yeah. That sounds good. That's late. I mean, it's like condensed milk. So when like the kids 21, you're going to be. Oh, yeah. No, I think it's crazy because yeah, I believe that I actually have a job until 20 like you should be that of a younger age with your not only yeah. See you kiddo. See your kid actually grow up not from hospital that Luann has a shield. It's not going away. It's a brick wall, you know tensley had just gotten fresh off her day each had a couple drinks, but you know what? She's a down chick. She's not going to leave her girls. She's like, I'm gonna go hang out. You know, I'm not like persona non grata. Like I'm gonna go hang with the chicks. I ain't like you and she should and is slurred a little bit and Luann jump on that she is Come again couldn't understand you because you're drunk. We'll go you would know right you would know it takes one to know one seems like that's rude. I don't like that. You said that and you know what Bethenny harped on that as well rightfully. So like Luann you have no room to talk. The reason we love you is because you're a drunk you have fallen in the bushes. You've had sex with strange men on camera. Don't get me wrong. I love it. We have woken up, too. A sex aftermath how would you feel if you walked in and you saw a naked man in your room wouldn't you be upset not really iconic. You know what I mean? I love it. Don't get me wrong. You're my favorite, but it's just not in that dress at the dinner. It's not what it is anymore. Halibut sail her dress. Yeah. I was not like I thought everyone liked cute and then there she was what when she came out of the bathroom and Ramona went to go look for her. I was I was taken back but I was like are we taking that off and putting the dress on? Yeah. That's what we're going in. Okay, I think she borrowed one of Kyle's flow. He's you know what? I mean those what do they call caftans? I don't know like your Miami I get the kaftan thing, but it was just the color. That was not good. Yeah look and they were going to restaurant. Everybody was kind of dressed up and you look like you're gonna have a breakdown you might as well and look that was the moment that because it was just like the whole time. She's freaking out. I'm just like wow, she looks hot. Like he does lifting her head up her like ten suggests it. And Parker, I've done this like a two-piece like I was so here for it. Yeah, I like I was like Tinsley you got the tinsel's on come on girl. You should be definitely should be shitting on all of them for which she typically does but that I was on her that she can pull off the looks but she's just not that kind of girl. She's like a I don't know it's where the gays in her life. She should be showing up like, it's MTV Music Awards. Give your Hampton gazer just like Country like Hampton Gaye's let's wear white t-shirts and like I've been to the Hamptons like pastels white girl spice. Yes it I literally went to The Hamptons last week and I wore pastels to her bridal shower because it's just very like soft out there. White is luxury. But let mean Tinsley you live in Miami, but you're in you're also in Miami. Yeah, like spice up your whole life Erika. Jayne sent one of her gaze over save her life, please. Luann is not the alcohol police. No, she's not but you know what? She's been on the receiving spectrum of that so she should be the most understanding she shouldn't be making fun of people that slurry remember when that conversation she had with Bethenny at the Regency that one time when she was wearing all white actually, she could not even focus and Bethany was like, oh my God, I can't even think he knows he's right deflecting. So let me point the negative on this person so that way we aren't talking about my shit. And then it happens Bethany flip out and Luann goes look at you. It's like this really Cavalier comebacks. Not even like you know, what? Why are you freaking out on me? She's like look at you like oh, yeah, look at me. I'm freaking having a nervous breakdown. There's people all around looking trying not to look people paid by production. I'm sure to be like, please just have dinner on us. Don't try to look as much. As you can shit's gonna go down shit isn't gonna happen. Like Bethenny is spiraling Ramona's weeping silently in the corner. I was loving it. I love the cocktail glasses to those mirrored martini glasses, very chic. We need to go to that restaurant. We actually have one La I've never gone but I've always I always want them when I saw that Lobster Pop-Tart thing. I was like only two Lobster Pop-Tart get in my mouth sounds amazing, but weird of the crowd Excited or another crab cakes. I bet you are where the Truffle fries girl. That sounds so good to crab cakes and truffle fries - I see a light aioli sauce before we continue one of the ways we keep all these shows for you free is by our amazing sponsors. And today Spotify is one of our sponsors on Spotify. You can listen to all of your favorite artists and podcasts in one place for free. 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Mmm. Like it's just like she she thinks she's serving in like gonna give you these one worded. Like I said Cavalier remarks and it's like girl you're not hitting. Yeah, Bethany is literally ripping you to shreds so good. Good and you are just sitting there like you might as well just girl just drink it on down just just drink everyone else's drink. Come on. She was starting to go into hyper ventilation mode though. It was like member when she took the vodka and she was like, please let me about Tom there's a lot to be about Tom like I okay genuine Bethany or do we think that's a little like no like I think when you're bringing up death and your dead boyfriend, yeah. It was real. It wasn't like it started out very like vodka in the cup member that one episode but then when she like started to like really freaked out and bring up Dennis and then not stop bringing up tennis and be like no no like he died of an overdose and I was with you and intervention weekend, like also questioned it Bears repeating I question if she's going through menopause right now to like, I don't know. Maybe I'm overanalyzing. I am a Virgo but like she complains about the temperature at all hours. He's like wearing like one she's freezing cold and she's hot like she kept lifting her thing up. Like she was hot. Everyone else is chilling because like I'm having a hot flash her emotions Em Down. Yeah her emotions were like, she's like one mesh every conversation. I mean, she always does kind of talk like that. But like I feel like everything is amped up just a little bit emotionally which of course with him passing like that is serious, and she probably hasn't fully Because she's always she's always stressed. She works to get there's also like always something happening with Jason Hoppy who is like literally Satan himself. I know how people feel like they're like, oh, yeah, you guys don't know the full story Bethenny could be crazy and she's a maniac we all know and see how she is I get all that. I know how Bethenny as we've been watching her for over 10 years on reality TV, you can paint again, hoppy fooled all of us. We all thought he was like incredible and we I thought he was like this goody-two-shoes when in reality. He is a freaking maniac and a huge liar and a stalker and I'm so team Bethenny when it comes to that so she freaked out and she started revealing all of Luann's things because the wind is like a brick wall right now. Nothing is getting through. I don't understand when everyone is breaking down in front of you Ramona's weeping in the corner. Dorinda's like one martini away from going I Told You So during is about that sent shame. She's just in the corner eating that last olive. Just I was waiting for her to jump in weren't you? Yeah, because no one was the thing is I feel like this was a moment where it's like dorinda's going to come in. I don't know if it's gonna be next week the week after but dorinda's going to be the one to pull the last Jenga piece. I can't wait. I just feel like that's what's going to happen. Like everyone is ping-pong and Luann is Tinsley on trend is gonna have her moment. She's gonna go Tinsley. That's rude. I don't like that like I'm like, yes. Tinsley drunk cheerleader on the side going girl. Yeah. She was like a drunk cheerleader. Like just keep going keep it going. I loved it like and she I don't know I would have been texting Brett. Like can I come over like these girls over this? I'm over this but wait, what was the one where what was the scene where someone said something to tens? And she was like, yeah. I'm so sorry for that. Oh, yes you had army, or was it Luann or Sonya? No, Sonia Sonia was talking about like I'm really really upset like I went through. All that shit at that meeting like I'm upset. I know baby. I'm sorry texting everyone lives. Like everyone Ramona came into in that preview to like hug tensley. She's like what's wrong baby? Like it's all like it's always the baby in baby assures that everything's going to be. Okay. I call people baby when I want to smooth it over like that's what you know, I want something. Hey baby, how you doing? Oh, yeah. Anyways, let's get into tweets. We have tweets we Have some sweets for you that are going to make you poop your pants. You're gonna turn the air conditioning up on hot free card. Dorinda's over it. I think she knows not to give Luann attention. Yeah anxiety and panic attacks will give you those temperature fluctuations. Bethany is freaking out because she keeps getting used to being at the table next to them would have been Heaven. No, I need to hear the list again so much. I know it was great. She was like we brought lawyers on a A we did this you were running around in your the field two weeks the Field of Dreams and the cops were trying to record it and I was like don't record it you were running around in your negligee. She was like I was in a really bad place you were sucking everybody's dick of the bar. I'm not maybe that didn't happen and I'm sure there were things that were edited to know. I'm sure I'm sure she did say something like that. She was like and then the pirate called from Puerto Rico and 1 and part 2. All right, let's do tweets. Here's the first one. It's by Real Housewives gifs tag Housewives gifs. And it's a picture of Tinsley and it says Tinsley was the heike the MVP of this episode. I couldn't agree more. She contributed fabulously Jesse of this specific episode. Yeah. Yes MVB who would have who else would have been I don't think it was Tinsley. Honestly, I would honestly give it to Barber or Bethany. Here's why I say that That Barbara was like Luann was not expecting this. She uh, she has her pain just like doesn't my puppet like I'm upset with you and I just kind of feel like yeah, it was just like the topple over of like where we you can't set with us it started the whole Snowball Effect. So I would kind of and then Bethenny I mean Barbara's opening up her eyes, so that's why I kind of gave it to her and then Bethenny she's just a freaking bulldozer in this episode. Oh, she's a bulldozer. I wait wait 10 has my lover. But like with the hot flashes and I Just can't I'm just gonna hear about I'm just gonna are all your stuff out girl like so I would give it to that. She's only was she pulled a Ramona you had sex on a waterbed you were topless mention it all mention it all she was like you were topless you were drunk you had sex on a waterbed. I'm like, that's what Bethenny just did. She was like we had lawyers on a Sunday you were running around naked in a field the cops are trying to record it and I had to stop them so they wouldn't press charges on you. I'm like girl you are telling the tea and well and tallying it because you know, one of the things like don't tally like it's not like how much I've done for you. What girl this is how much I've done for you Blue's Clues with the notebook. She brought it up. This is what I've done for you. The next tweet is by Kate Cheston who actually tweeted me earlier about a little issue that I read and I was like I had to confront her about it. So make sure to check out my Twitter about this is perfect. But this she says I wonder if Luann would have been okay. With Sonja wearing a sequin Giovanni Cabaret Blazer to the AA meeting. What was that? She made blue as she made Sonia change into like jeans and a plain white T-shirt and she went in a freaking gown basically through slit, like it look like to go to the basement sure isn't jersey maxi dress. Yeah. I want something right away. Girl, this is another moment where you saw that you wanted to I know the AA meetings girl, like listen to me. I'm gonna I'm gonna put you up on that team wearing this down. That's why I'm wearing this tight dress. They don't judge a stop judging and also on you had was just a little belly showing. I know I actually liked her little cute top. It was cute. It wasn't anything inappropriate. No one would've freaked out its Miami like it. She was completely covering. That was Lou Ambien. And Luanne another one is from our Bravo friend Greg Bennett from Real Housewives of New Jersey who never really answers my tweets, but I still like him he's funny. So he says wild wild that mother-effing Ramona couldn't even do anything except weep silently as Bethany lost her mind. They were all just Frozen watching her because they couldn't believe it. We were all freaking out to I couldn't even move. I was just watching the TV. Frozen but like if anyone jumped in then it becomes a bashing session and I think Bethany was what can you add to that like literally if you can't penetrate with what Bethenny was just delivering? Yeah, like I think that it does more empathy empathy there and I think for on the receiving end, it hurts more verses. Yeah, if everyone jumped in Luann can be like look at your all attacking me. You guys are just mean girls data. No, this was just Bethany and everyone just loved it. Yeah exactly. I We agree with you and she tried a new tactic actually because she she brought in Emotion. She brought in Dennis like we have to remember now, you can't speak whenever exactly like I just brought up my dead fiance and you had to guess rumor. This isn't the first time Bethany has flipped on the way. And remember when she called her a whore you sleep with everybody like she has gone crazy on her listed the stuff just like Ramona's well, but this time she was like, you know, what you've gone too far. Nothing else is working. In Genesis dead and he's been dead. He's in the ground. Like she literally said he's in the ground and I was at infrequent intervention weekend with you with lawyers in the field and the negligee we won't get into it, but you've heard the list enough. Let's bring up some news because we have news and gossip for you. That's really good Stevie you obviously next episode is going to really good. We're going to be talking about some predictions in a little bit. But for now, I want to bring up that I ran into crack from New York City. Southern Charmed Craig at a bar by himself. I was there meeting my agent she was running late. So I sat down next to him. I touched his back. It was muscular. He's really nice. He's into making pillows and he wants to be on my show. It's Bravo bench with Hollywood Leanne. So we took a little photo and exchanged PR emails. He's really really sweet you guys. Hello Craig is like the only decent guy on Southern Charm - all of them are douchebags. All of them are Little boys that don't grow up that are privileged. They're entitled Craig is the heart of the show in my opinion. So it was really really nice to meet him. I hope you guys enjoyed that little fat out. Let's move on to the next photo you guys really need to check out this show that I'm producing in podcasting here at AfterBuzz TV, it's Bravo bitch. I had Hannah and Collin from below deck Matt on it's already up on the channel. So make sure to check it out. This is below deck Mediterranean royalty, right? Here we all know Hannah for her crazy honest Antics and you know what? She's a great Chief stew and a great worker and last season. She had a really exposing season, you know, a love triangle a panic attack all of it on camera. Now this season she's really focusing on her work and she gave us a lot a lot of T. So make sure to check it out and call and obviously gave us a little rap. He's the heart of the show The Long Island boy, so make sure to check out its Bravo bitch. We're going to be covering all of your Everett Bravo shows the hottest topics of the week week to week There's No More Hiatus isn't make sure to check it out. Jesse's been on it. Let's talk about predictions for next week. Your AfterBuzz TV predictions gonna be a continuation episode. We leave in the middle of a breakdown. How do you think it's going to end well, I feel like Luann is going to feel like it's going to be a breakaway situation in that moment. And then I feel like Ramona is going to step in because we saw the clip of Ramona and Luann it seemed like they were Cool. Yeah, so maybe Ramona is the one cuz she did try to go back to LuAnn and like be there for nice of her. So I'm wondering if she'll continue that into next week. But I just think again know what happened in the preview. Well, I think and again so I think why not I don't think anything is going to really penetrate Luann right now because we see her go into the studio. I think just at this point isolate her. Yeah, like girl Okay girl. Okay girl, like will bunch of the Fords. I think it just has To happen again when they just let someone do their own scenes and then everyone else just talks about them were watching it now and Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. Yeah. I don't know Luann is just not gelling with the women right now. She needs to be careful. But the problem is you're not Lisa Vanderpump. Yeah, Lisa Vanderpump doesn't need to be with the girls like Lisa Vanderpump can carry her own Luann cam not watching Hulu inch. Oh, yeah, I'd be I would fast-forward through those scenes like, oh that music scene what even your producers laughing at me? That was funny. I do remember that part. Part that mofo is so shady that little Queen been hit like runs Luann's little pot little show Countess and Friends. He is just waiting for the next opportunity. Like when I don't know if you watch the look up a couple of the last episodes when Sonja came to the rehearsal, he was like totally amping it up that they were like total in Sonja was misbehaving and he loved it. He's planning his next show at Sonya like he is totally opportunistic. I think oh for sure, but that's the thing. I think she's the Tape who invites that around and that's why I think like she can have her little Cabaret. Like she'll have be able to do a cabaret show for an extended amount of years in San Francisco in like big gay areas becoming two years tops. It's going to get old. It's already getting old she is and she goes away. But if she was to do this in like ten years from now the kids will still be into older guys like the ones that grew up with her vehicle. Let me go. Let me go see this hot mess like it's Luanne girl just to get a selfie. With her and like post it on their insta strike. That's who you are. You're a dinosaur. You're a dinosaur says and you ain't making it to Madame Tussauds by dinosaur. You means like 7 feet tall. Look at she's the ignore him in extinct. Well, that was pretty much it. That was our news. That was our tweets. What a show we always laugh with the Real Housewives of New York City. Honestly, I think it's one of the best shows on television like you just can't get any better than these women getting drunk and exposing themselves for our entertainment. I It yeah, honestly like and it's like one of those shows where you've we've watched them for so long. I think it's like wine. It's actually gotten better it because now they're not afraid to like it's like watching like old grandparents like yelling at each other because they just say that whatever they want to each other exactly. I mean even to Renda and Bethany they've come a long way. I love how they're in a good place. I like that Ramona's kind of like, you know trying to be a good person. I don't know. We're going to see a little a little clip next week of her seeing if there's even going to be something with Mario I don't know Ramona is what's that thing when you're younger and it was like the balls new ago. That's what I just think happy. She like sits and thinks before she makes us she's crazy. She's crazy. And I love it. You guys will be here every single Wednesday at 8 p.m. Covering Rojas up. So they're moving to a new night on Thursdays. Are they I just saw a commercial. 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Tonight we discuss Everyone’s breakdowns. Barbara, Sonja, and Bethenny’s Breakdown. Hosts: @HollywoodLian and @DJJesseJanedy break it down and get into the MIAMI kissing spirit! LuAnn is not having it and Bethenny is breakdown. Let’s do this!!! NYC TIME!!!! ABOUT THE REAL HOUSEWIVES OF NYC AFTER SHOW: To a certain group of people in New York, status is everything...and with status comes plenty of drama to unpack on THE REAL HOUSEWIVES OF NEW YORK CITY AFTER SHOW. We’ll recap all the buzz-worthy moments from the show, from the fabulous to the fights from our favorite Big Apple ladies. Tune in here for ALL the tea as we review, recap and provide in-depth discussions of the latest episodes! Who knows! You might just see some familiar cast member faces. ABOUT REAL HOUSEWIVES OF NYC: The Real Housewives of New York City (abbreviated RHONY) is an American reality television series that premiered on March 4, 2008 on Bravo. Developed as the second installment of The Real Housewives franchise, following The Real Housewives of Orange County, it has aired seven seasons and focuses on the personal and professional lives of several women residing in New York City. The series originally focused on LuAnn de Lesseps, Bethenny Frankel, Alex McCord, Ramona Singer, and Jill Zarin. The eighth season lineup of housewives will consist of de Lesseps, Frankel, Singer, Sonja Morgan, Carole Radziwill, Dorinda Medley, and newcomer Jules Wainstein. Of the original housewives, Frankel initially left after the third season before returning for the seventh; McCord and Zarin left after the fourth season; and de Lesseps was a friend of the housewives in the sixth. The remaining housewives joined in later seasons: Morgan in the third, Radziwill in the fifth, Medley in the seventh, and Wainstein in the eighth. Other housewives include Kelly Killoren Bensimon (seasons 2–4), Cindy Barshop (season 4), Aviva Drescher (seasons 5–6), Heather Thomson (seasons 5–7), and Kristen Taekman (seasons 6–7).

Does it even matter so many things that we worry about that we think are important do they actually make a difference? How do you stop worrying about all the little things all the little things that will distract you that seems so important that seem like there are such a big deal, but ultimately make no difference to your bottom line whether that's in spirituality personal growth in your business or in your relationship. so many things do not matter and take your attention and your focus off of what truly does there are so many things that you can always be working on the busy work, but it's not your life's work so many things that seem to be a big deal fighting and arguing about little details that in the long run hell even the week from now you'll probably forget about You don't remember these things a year ago. You don't remember what you had for dinner. You don't remember exactly what this person said to you or what somebody was thinking about you or what someone said behind your back. You're not worried about whether or not that specific ad you ran for your business worked out. It's the big picture stuff right? It's the stuff. That's actually Juicy the things that make a real difference. What are you focused on what truly matters to you? What is your dream? What is your purpose? What is your ideal life that you want to create? That's what your attention should be on most of the time and as you're taking the little steps and as you're working towards it. Yes, do your best pay attention, but do not get lost. You don't get caught up and do not get trapped. In overthinking and stressing and worrying about all the details. It doesn't matter which social media platform. You should begin with when you start your business just pick one and stick to it. You'll get results on the ending one of them. It doesn't matter whether you take this person on a date here or there or if you say this or not as long as your authentic and the real you shows up and you're honest and vulnerable that's powerful and that's going to create a real connection. What do you tell this joke or Choke doesn't really matter. So don't worry about the little specifics. Don't get caught up in it focus on the big picture. I put your attention on doing what truly moves the needle forward for you what will actually create progress and growth. Those are the things to actually pay attention to on a daily basis. Otherwise, you'll be sitting there going. Oh, here's my to do list. I'm going to make sure that I cross this off and then you're just floating in the wind plan your day be specific. Make some goals and then take real action to work towards them. It's simple being successful is simple. It's just not easy. The reason it's not easy is because it requires focus and most of us. Our brain is scattered scatter brain dabbling thinking about everything this that should I do this scrolling Facebook scrolling Instagram scrolling YouTube or whatever the New Media of the day is don't let it Assume you don't let it drag you into it. Most apps most games most TV shows. They are literally designed to suck you into it and get you addicted which sometimes can be okay, but when you're trying to make progress in your life, you gotta prioritize that you've got to put most of your attention on the most important projects the most important areas where you want to grow where you want to experience some tremendous transformation and and change some Revolution take your life to the next level by taking your attention off of what doesn't matter and onto the things that will really make a difference for you.

How can you stop worrying about the little things? It is simple and easy, all you have to do is STOP! Learn to have complete faith and trust in yourself  and everything that you have ever worried about with sizzle away. So many things that we worry about and we think might have a catastrophic effect in our life don’t matter. The biggest waste of time is worrying about the little things that make no difference to your real goal. Whether that’s in spirituality, health, relationship. Worrying about what someone said behind your back. Worrying about whether you worked enough hours today. Worrying about whether to tell this joke or that joke, all these things are a waste of time. Remember, Only 20% of actions creates 80% of the results. It doesn’t matter which joke you tell as long as you are honest and vulnerable, it will create a real connection. It doesn’t matter how many hours you put in, as long as you moved the needle forward and accomplished what you set out to achieve. It doesn’t matter what somebody said behind your back as long as you know that they don’t know you better than you. Always ask yourself, does it even make a difference? If it doesn’t let it go.

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I'm Maria Menounos and you're tuned in to AfterBuzz TV the ESPN of TV talk now. Oh, yeah, the sounds of Iron Man mcleish means it's only one thing. It's now time for the Wednesday night to like, how is everyone doing out there? My name is Willow voice. You can call me the mayor and next the after-show and if he comes to you live from Full Sail University where the Saw Grass meets the sky as we broadcast the after-show at a beautiful and slightly chilly, Los Angeles, California. We have so much to talk about today. But before we do, I want to introduce our All-Star panel on my far far less. This guy came through in a Monday night if that's all hi p is to time to time the man himself punk rock, David. Surfer how's it going? It is going it's going good guys. Yes. I'm that dedicated. I love me my WWE in wrestling and I love hanging out with you Pho Bo appreciate then years well and should not be left out. She's a correspondent from championship wrestling from Arizona the emmy-nominated. I'm leaving. Never mind a happy to be here again for another week. Yeah, of course, we can't talk about and let's see what the man himself in the Booth reigai how you live, it's going on y'all talking NXT. I've been seeing you on that Star Wars weekly menu is killing it killing it. So excited. We got the movie next week as well as the Mandalorian every Friday. So tune in to our show Thursdays for p.m. Popcorn talk Sister Janet speaking of putting people over. All right after this the aew dynamite after show is actually can prep it right across the hall Jack farmer and Company are going to give you all the highlights and rundowns on the other show. I mean, yeah. Oh cool what her beef has a family squinty-eyed, you know, you like those two brothers or sisters, you know, obviously your parents love you both, but there's always one that's slightly better than the other. Oh, yeah, that was You know a few stations, you know, yeah, cuz I'm from us and I was like quiet down. I know we're trying to watch Real Racing over jumps off ugly people. Tell him though you have ended. All right. So top of the car tonight Cruiserweight Champion. We have a brand-new Cruiserweight Champion Angel Garza kind of surprising, especially the fact that I'm today's episode of The Bump Leo Rush was all like I'm a make him pay David Christopher walk me through this. Is it too soon for him to Garza. Wow, I'm saying wow, is it too soon? Absolutely. I think it's too soon. I mean, you know, they're going to carry his feet out for a while. So this is something we're gonna watch which is great. I mean the match was awesome. I'll give him that but yes, I think it's really too soon. You know, the old just got the belt man, you know, he hasn't had much of a run yet to show what we can do with it. And I think he's still got a lot more in. Yeah. I mean come on look like on a real character table you do this also that so, you know, I was kind of struggling with like what kind of moment are they creating here. I was like, who's the good guy? Who's the bad guy? Who am I supposed to root for and I was kind of My fat in this match. I think technically I think the wrestling was really good. I think they had some really great moves is was it highlighted both athletes really well, but for me, I was trying to figure out okay if it's too soon for Garza to have it like what what are they going to do with it? And where is it going to go? Well before they raise a good point about guess you can't see heels and faces protagonist Anderson. Yeah compared to say Smackdown where that is very clearly defined with the root for who not and who's not an exterior. He tends to be like a bunch of gray area, which is cool in some cases like an Adam Cole for example, but in this match with it been a benefit to the Masa have a clear facing clear heel or is that just something that it's just a way from NXT. The brand is going to be we're just guys and gals who do what we want. Well, I mean, I think as they're trying to figure out like what they're doing with this type of wrestler with their luck with their feel with their music their entrance everything. It's a full package. Yeah when they're trying to figure it out. I think it's okay to have a little fluid where your Okay, I'm not sure I could like go either way. Yeah, but when you have a storyline where there's a belt and title on the line, I think you need to have a definite definite delineation. Okay, that's definitely that's the classic heel Babyface, right? You know and I think with this or you know NXT, there's a lot more freedom in a lot more opportunity for the fans to decide, you know, so I think again it's what yeah, like I agree with you and I think it's one of those things where yeah, they're still trying to figure it out and decide which route and they're obviously listening to the fans. I think they're both Both obviously clearly over so it's like who do you make the hill in this? You know, my guess I'm going to say Leo's looking more like the hill if that's right. He's gonna go, you know, but I think you know either way, I mean, it's I think it's gonna be awesome by the way, and you're going to see this route every go on so and I think NXT I think to your point that annexed he's really good about listening to their fans. Yeah, they really like take it in they yeah, they take those notes with the creative team takes those notes and really tries to implement. Pam and I think that just shows how how that structure is kind of well established. Its to me was kind of interesting because watching the bump this morning and haven't Leo be like you came after my family. It's okay. Okay, he's the face, but then if you really want to get the nitty-gritty of moves and holes, they both work kind of he Lush but then Angel Garza one, it was like, yeah put the belt on me, bro. I'm the bad guy, but then he proposed to his girlfriend and you're just like Yes, I can't be mad at him. Was the the talking tonight that he's gonna be the man who's in the care for a while and that took me by surprise, which I mean is good. Actually, you know, it's nice when that happens. So let's see what happens with that. I mean either way, they're both awesome athletes. So that's one final question about this a cruiserweight title match. Everyone seemed to be into it. Everyone's over why has not people turned over to 205 live. It's been a couple of years. They've tried everything I can think of safer like actually promoting the show me other shows, but why do the what does that translate? Why does it seem very in the moment where we go? That's cool cruiserweight match, but not to be like I'm watching this brand. Of course wait action. I don't know if there's enough Firepower. I don't know if there's enough star power if you will, you know, and the marketing to its kind of here and there, you know, here's a match but I mean when you like same thing with NXT that was kind of just flood it was just shoved at you, you know what I mean, especially now, you know, and then with so much going on with you know, the smackdown the raw the NXT, is it kind of just drowning out the 205 right? No, that's a good point. I mean is it we've had many discussions about it. It is a too much too much content to take in every night every week or every other week. Right? We don't argue with that. What's wrong with raw? I think another challenge you on that but the bill ma'am don't watch Monday night. And I think I think 205 has been that type of brand where they've kind of struggled to figure out how it fits into the WWE Universe. Yeah. And so, you know, I think NXT obviously has its it's set place and I think with you know, maybe that type of merger that type of of trying to figure out where those were those Cruiser right rustlers will go. Well. Here's here's another going to struggle but here's a thought has 205 become NXT when it first started with in what way like go back to to let you know it just not being obviously. It's not an established brand per se right. I mean, you know, I don't think a lot of people know necessarily the talent on the roster just we got to build it still. Yeah and that it kind of reminds me of NXT when it kind of first People are just kind of what is this chime in and watch it here and there, you know, but I mean now it's obviously established but it took how many years I've got to say that whatever they do with 205 live don't you get theme song it's dough. I'm in the gym like after six long days right guy His back in the booth. Right right for the NXT after show if you want to help the show. You can like comment and subscribe right here on YouTube channel. Also go on iTunes. Let's talk about iTunes. You can go on iTunes leave a five star review as well as Spotify like comment subscribe and lastly moderator. What is your name? It doesn't matter what your name is. Thank you and enjoy the rest of the show. I want to ride it out. My name is best things ever right now. Thank you for that. Right guys that was amazing time in from the great one. It's depressed match. That was kind of interesting for me for a lot of ways. Cameron Grimes are real Mendoza last week Cameron Grimes looking like it came out the womb. Um hat first got involved and even over the Wiest during the week. He kind of got involved with kishida backstage and now there's a huge dust up to my rule Kevin Grimes and kushida miss Emily me tell me what's going on with the Backwoods. Mr. Monopoly. We all have our you know, I don't know it was a very short and very sweet match. You know it Kushina. And at the end took took took the Hat away. Yeah, I was like what is happening? The powers of the had powers. You have the power to dump shower in the Hat. I don't know. Yeah, I'm wondering what they're doing here. And if if Cameron Grimes is going to like go against kishida get like, I don't know. I'm like trying to figure it out. I think I don't know. Did you I felt like it might have been like a little throwaway where they just it was so short that I think they had a moment where like Like it connected, but I think it was so quick. It didn't really translate over because they were building so much story and it just like absolutely sure they've Christopher long to your thoughts first before I you know, here's the I don't have a whole lot of thoughts on this one. It to me, I this is I'm taking a step back here. Take a step a little months ago. Everyone wanted the the Undisputed error prophecy to be fulfilled and I was against not against it like hard like, oh, I can't say that. I'm done watching Russ. I'm gonna watch every week. It's just the idea of from a writing standpoint. You kind of put handcuffs on your writing staff because now all your divisional tied up with this gang, which is great. But then now that midcard area that North American Title has not had been defined of what it would be. So I do think that there's plans for guys like Shane Thorne and Cameron gaiman's you'd be the heel anchors in that midcard. Even I am not sure of beating up kushida who just came back from injury is the ticket. That's what was weird to me that amazing for my last week right with the with his daughter and like yeah. Oh, yeah, and then you have this like something you don't look this. I wanted to bring this point up because I did mention it. So there's a seem to be as this epidemic or pandemic of a family-based storylines having them to be with Rusev and Lana a Maverick analyze Ms. And Wyatt Mysterio and Brock and Matt already is easy to be piling on but you're right. It's really Quick story telling how this guy who's like I'm a cool dad. Oh, no, I'm being hurt help me out. Is that to Cameron Grabbers benefit or are we going? He's still the guy in the Hat. I mean if they're trying to build him as this he'll like you said in the midcard division, then you need to have kushida needs to have that big story with his family fighting for everything that he can it be, you know in his body and soul to get to where he you know, where he wants to be to beat everyone that he can so yeah, it will help Cameron Grimes in the lung. Run, but I but but when you have these little like bite-size mini mini moments, and it doesn't necessarily help further the the story as much. Yeah, I mean Grimes is definitely he has all the potential to be a good heel, which is also what we need in NXT, you know, but again, yeah there we need more build up we need I think more dominance from him. We need more of just a presence in that sense and more Direction. I mean, I think it's weird. We're looking in the right way to start especially the whole family thing and all that but there just needs to be a little more. Yeah, give it up for Harry. Mr. Frosty. I thought the mother stuff was quick, but you're absolutely right at the write home about moving on. We have Jackson Riker who's supposed to be the heavy the big guy that was intimidating guy in this group forgotten Sons, which sidebar I'm liking the new look it's getting more and more. We're from the bikers and morally beings of All American veterans thing against Travis Banks. This definitely wasn't Matt set up for with the Worlds. Collide pay-per-view happened the day before the Royal Rumble. I watch NXT UK fairly rigid religiously Travis Banks came out and I was like, huh? That's how the match why I was just sayin another reason why we are forgetting about the Forgotten son's not good, you know the matches. Okay, I'll give you that it was okay. But again, I just I wasn't nothing to me that really stood out was made made me it was like, oh, yeah, it's grandsons. Yeah. Okay, you know, I just yeah, do you think this was like a reminder match of like hey fans. Look we still have He's right here. We have all these other challenges great talent. That's the thing man talk about and I don't mean this in a bad way, but the embarrassment of riches right that's on the WWE roster. You got Worlds Collide. It's replacing a takeover. So you got the not Hotshot but basically tell me why I should tune in the day before whatever humble but then you got to build up NXT UK last week you Trot out cash his own out from that side and he totally got destroyed so I get UK getting a win but he spends a bit forgotten Sons I go but okay. Okay, we're thinking yeah, so what exactly like what like like Travis makes got this win and they were saying that like, yeah, okay. He record he now recorded this victory. Yeah, but like what does it really do for him? And the the look UK Division and in can we say are the Forgotten Sons just becoming like jobbers now, I mean because it seems really looks that way at all. Well it felt like when when they came out I was like they looked a little angry at each other and I was like what's happening exactly. Don't go against each other. You have to look outward. Yeah. Yeah. I know it's kind of early to tell but I just want your need you to print in besides the fact we're all AfterBuzz wrestling journalists Worlds Collide as a pay-per-view concept. Are you on board? This is the second one in the series. I don't know yet. And that's again. That's that's kind of where I'm at. Right now. It just like it's same thing with this match. It's like I don't know if I'm interested yet if I should be interested yet, you know. Yeah, I demand more. Yeah, I mean not to sound like that. But yeah. And so I think I think they have to be very deliberate and be very specific and what they want to do and what they want to achieve and so if they're clear about that then hopefully it's a good show and I'm willing to you know tune in and see troops big button everything. Does it matter that the Forgotten sauce lost to a guy who does it make them seem even worse or the kind of like they've lost so many times in the past. It's kind of like a par for the course. Yeah. I think I deserve what I mean. There on that way. Okay, if you have stock in them now, please cell moving on. It's now time for a Flowbee Tails. Boot thing of the weeds. That's right. Today's episode today's edition of boosting of the week. I gotta give it to my okay. Sorry, I gotta stop you there. I know I know I know first of all I got I got super kick my Emily May out of nowhere. I'm sorry, but I have to say I have my own boo thing of the week. We let your yea I do you know what came and did that promo? Okay with that Ford Mustang that was pretty dope. That looks all right. This is it was yes. Yes. I would I would write on the Mustang with her. Okay. Alright the most dangerous because it seems fast. Video of the week and the time it doesn't matter now. You just forget about it. Hi in a match with how much was a button to this story live from couple weeks ago and if you take over because medium wasn't clear to rustle so The critic I knocked right before the match and now mediums revenge or not David Christopher walk me through this the match and the aftermath meum Dakota Chi the new Dakota guy. Um, I think okay it was good. I liked how Dakota came out. She was aggressive. She has something to prove now. She's in position. She has a chip on her shoulder, you know, there is a lot of focus on her she needs to make a statement come and she started off. Well the mattress. Okay. I'm glad that she took it but again like I say we keep Stomping on her a little bit at the end of the match. She totally gets an ally who's able. Yeah, you know the matches. That was awesome. It was great the turnbuckle perfect. He'll move I get it. Okay. What is this? What happened? I love both of them. Just throw it out there. I love both of them. I think it's a good matchup. But what I wanted is like the stakes were high like me like the the frustration and The Angst and the anger should have been there from the beginning and it shouldn't necessarily it should have not only been in the moment when they walking down the ramp and into the ring but within every move that they do in that ring and I didn't necessarily see it where they started hot they're trying to build these characters but like the moments in the middle between each move. I didn't necessarily see that complex and that frustration. So explain to me in the people watching at home. What exactly will be missing it. What would make It better if you were familiar with the business like not that but like they're leaving you rapamycin have a week. We were so much more flavor. But if you're a casual fan flipping what something they can improve on there's there's there's taking a breath like not a physical Branch could be like a beat like you have your story beats beginning that on at taking a story taking a beat between the moment that you're gonna you know, you're going to kick someone or you're going to like jump or you're gonna like you have to like build theirs are nicely thin I got it. Yeah, then the match that I feel like they were just like going at it just like all right. So there's ready until the story for you is what you're saying. Yeah, but not but yes. Well, I'm inclined to agree. It really felt like the cutter was trying to push the fact that she was evil now and me it was like I'm the battery now. Yeah, two trains hitting the station there. Yeah, and I that big spot at the end where Museum takes Dakota Chi over the tech. Yeah, right and wheels on I will you take that was really cool. Yeah, they just happen to take her out over there. And then hey yeah about whether that was like the right the right move for her because she's taken most of the the here at that was saying they've anticipated onto you guys are both right Dakota Kaiser brand-new. He'll She's Fresh. She won her match by cheating the Finish wasn't as clean as I would like to be. But now the to the past two weeks the code acai has been destroyed after the fact so I'm not sure if I should be invested into this heel version of the code acai or is it going to be like her forgotten Sons type deal usually heal her go. Okay, that's what sucks because I mean she could be a really awesome. He'll if they allowed her to be you know, like if they let her dominate they don't just keep stomping on her. I mean we need that too, especially with the women. I mean someone that's just going to be that aggressive. He'll that chip on her shoulder with something to prove that comes out every time and just you watch the almost like those with Ric Flair with a dirty. Moves and you like the jacket back on? Yeah. Yeah. I want to see someone like that. Yeah, and and like you said like if to Koh tachai keeps getting like injured and you know and messed up by the at the end of the match post-match like it's not yeah. Yeah. Well my biography I supposed to have have like faith and trust that she's going to like bring it home here stuck just keeps going, you know, and that sucks. I and II like truly love both of them as right wait. So this is just coming from what I've observed. I would go to go for sure doesn't both is actually agrees with you says basically do a mover. Our offense and let fans take that in. Don't try to go home. So dang quickly exactly. Wow, her neck and she took that like weird. She like like yeah into herself. I was like, I hope she tucked her chin, but it was a whole thing moving on his own. That's also kind of weird talking about stocking and selling it the sing Brothers. I don't think they've wrestled together on NXT for a while. If ever I know there are 205 fixture at a match against breeze on go doing the medical thing. Hey, whatever know that my mind was angles going over Brazil is about the match and at this point thoughts about having so many matches on today's episode of NXT. I mean the the here I love Breeze anger, you know, the way they came out today with the whole doctor the medical side. This is great. And I love to just for the comedy, you know bit of it and uh, you know, the veterans is cool watching them and then the same Brothers, I mean you haven't seen them for a minute, right? Yeah. This is some here when the 24/7 title. What a month ago. Yeah. Yeah. So I mean for me I was more invested in Brazil go and just the antics of that now it's fun. The match was okay, it was decent match, but it was more of just fun for me. Yeah. I mean I it is that classic like comedic entrance where you know, you have them kind of taken off the clothes and you have like the music and it's it was serious to me. Lane will talk about that's hot I was gonna be one that does a tag team division right now according to my account, please. I don't know from beginning body briefs on go on this video error. Danny Birch only lurking in the Forgotten Sons seems to be pretty thin. But if you were to book the next opponent for the Attitude Era, what would you do at this point when you do this in brothers or Priyanka or that's just weird and two other tell I don't know if you could I don't know because I feel like both of them are a little less. Less like serious. They're a little more comedic and sorry I can't do this. I don't see any to be honest. I don't see any of them right now. And in that just have them have the red dragon hold it was Bobby fish comes back as having all the titles. I mean, maybe they need to I mean, maybe that's a question of like trying to develop the tag team division a little bit more. Were you have you know, where you have the right talent that can go against him true. I'm not talking about forces with a few people and maybe you have a I think it's a similar situation almost So we have on Raw with the female talent and the contender for that and then yes tap seem like here in the NXT Division. I mean it's because who really do you have? Yeah, who do you have? That would take it from Undisputed era? No, no. No. Yeah, and that's the question of the day the question mark tonight punk rock band of the night. I'm gonna give it to Leo in Garza because the match itself was just amazing. It's literally what I love to watch it was aggressive as high-flying the build-up to few and everything was there the moves, you know, a course the heartstrings with you know, the whole proposal at the end. That was great and then the big all moment of you know, just a new Champion itself was pretty Awesome said selling yeah. Yeah. I'm with that one. And that's going to be your punk rock pin to the night. You heard the first let's talk about something. I think we need a band we've got pens and I can carve out a mattress. Bianca. Bill are wasn't much of a match Beyond going to be a light o destroyed her but I have positive thoughts about it. But first riddle me this Emily may be on the Bel Air. Are they trying to heat it up again? Is this just you know format? I don't know like Bianca pillars ascending like the women's division. She said, yes. Beastie have a woman in the world. She's such an athlete and I think you know, I think you have to keep her fresh and keep her in the ring and you know, even though she does dark matches you got to keep her, you know in front of the fans. And so this was just an opportunity like where the stakes aren't High, you know, there's nothing really for anyone to lose and you know, she's she's not going to lose. So yeah, it's just for her to like it's still continue to be in the front of people's minds. I don't think it Did anything for Cannon Carter but I think it was good for her to have that match against someone that is like in the top women's divisions Fair. Yeah, I think you know this one. I did a whole lot more for Kayden Carter had she taken the W of course, but the thing is you have Bianca Blair Witch is an amazing athlete. She's literally the top of the roster, you know, and that's I think exactly at Emily we need to keep her in the presence of the audience. We just need to keep it fresh keep her out there because as far as I'm concerned she's going to be up there pretty soon. She's a top Contender for sure. She's got the Helen she's got the good gimmick. She's over and she's just a phenomenal athlete so it's just yeah, it's just right. I think it's just timing. Let's just keep it out there. And then when that moment comes then she's getting that yeah. I mean, I love watching her every time. I think she commands a presence and so I don't mind having her in these small matches where where I can just get to watch her do what she's really great at. Yeah definitely was a showcase for Bianca, but I just something about Caden card. I do like I think she has it. I saw her in the Met young classic. You win loss record on camera has not been that good. I think she's tagging with Jessica Mayo on the household circuit. I'm putting my my my hands on the wall here and think that 2020 maybe Caden cards breakout year. They've been at now maybe that January but this time next year. I do think she'll be an impassive big take that saying hey, that's my big toe. LoJack Farmers, I didn't know he's in trouble. He's alright, so I'm in bed tonight. Number one contender's match. Tommaso Champa keighley and Finn Balor the winner going against Adam Cole baby my pick to win two months rent, but did not go back from a little bit about our action Emily met. So I want that. Yeah. I know we talked to all about our predictions and I really wanted keighley to take it home in my heart. I wanted him to take it home, but I know that in reality. It was most likely going to be battler. So do We did we actually have a split table today. Yeah, I just was really like I was torn because I was like rooting for keighley. But like I knew in the reality that I don't think he's I don't think it was his time and I know and I think I know I don't know. What does he go now and a television it's like a Bianca Bel-Air thing where it's like we know he's gonna Have his moment we keep building them and their he's awesome. Yeah, and I think they're gonna like last week. He had a really amazing moment. And I think they're going to just keep building it and I think 2020 is going to be an even better year for keighley. I will say that you know what I will piggyback off of Youth flow and say that I think 2020 will be the year of Keithley. Okay, maybe later in the year. That's definitely a problem. I do see that cut that out. Yeah. Y'all need to get t-shirts on. That's right. That's right. So this is such a moment. I'm gonna cut you off your dealer math. Is it Finn had to win this Bose has said that fin will need to win this. I don't see Cole lose to anyone but Champa because if you absolutely not how is it how does that make sense? Who said that he does have to take it. He's the he's the one in that division that's going to carry. The division is a face and it's time to just get Adam Cole out of there. You know, I mean if anything let's build a few to Champa early, you know, I mean, there's it's going to go back and forth a little bit with Adam Cole. He's not going to just walk away, you know after if he loses but let's change it up because like I said before Adam calls good, but he's not great baby Valerie Valerie earlier in the night in his promo. He said future will be my past just as it's coming back. It's always been saying that it's been going around and so literally tell you every corner. He's got so I don't know but I and I love them Balor, you know, I love Keith Lee but I also want to see Chomp on. I like I think all three need to have their moment. I think they'll get it right. But again, it's going against out on coal. So you're like how who's the best person to do that and who can take the the belt? Well, let's get Adam called the picture now and we have Keith leaves on it rise we Champa who'd he never really lost the title. And I mean tonight's match was hard because I literally like them all, you know as I could. The face is basically it's a who you choose, you know, and that kind of situation and they're also incredibly talented exactly and it just the storytelling that match was also great, you know. Yeah that dominant power of keighley you just saw, you know, it's like the whole can that match yes chops and design toughness of you know, Champa and then you have the Venture in the smarts and the awesome Maneuvers from you know Belair, which was really cool. You know, I mean, so it's Bella goes over. Does it matter that Keith? Took the pinfall. Does that hurt him at all? No, not against balance is to make it feel queasy and you just have to take them and it's just going to make him stronger coming back. That's totally fair. We could probably all in the prediction about three minutes left next week. It's one of the biggest nxt's of the years. Take over light. Which seems to be the common Trend with this brand double Main Event the men's title Adam Cole Finn Balor and the women's Will match in a base area Ripley first of all who you got in which match will steal the show. I mean, I'm going to say I really enjoyed Ripley's promo today. Yeah, I think is pretty damn awesome. I'm so stoked for that girl. Like we've been saying yeah. She's the one she's on the rise. I really hope that she takes it. I really do I'm back in her and I'm gonna say she is gonna take it and I really hope that she does so it's how will change I hope I hope you know, I do a lot of more sentimental promos, you know. With Ria Ripley's like pictures of her as a as a young girl, you know training at 19 getting that call. You know, I think it relates to a lot of people talking about struggling as an artist or anyone in any type of field that they love and trying to really make it and just make an impact on someone and do something that you truly love is really hard to do. Yeah, and the fact that she's there living it at 23 years old is a testament to her hard work and her And I'm getting choked up and I was but I think I don't know if she would take it. I would love to see her take it. Yeah, I think we'll see but I think the women's match might I'm going to say might be the highlight of next week. Absolutely. I mean the the fact that the promos themselves sell it. Yeah the packages that they're putting out our are touching fan. Anne's and leading the you know, leading up to next week Dave. I gotta ask you the old question that we say all the time here in XE after show Shana basil goes in next week. She loses the title. You keep around for a rematch. Do you move to another brand you take her off TV? We're going to keep it around is this for you to get Shane is not going to just go away, you know, she's to dominate before she's too much credibility. She's the star, you know, so yeah, you're going to build this for you to at least another one or two times and then we'll go from there. But I think regardless even if even if Shannon's I'm Takin it Ripley's coming back and she's gonna she's gonna beat her eventually if it's not this time, it's going to happen eventually and she's one of the strongest heels right now. So you need her right there to carry the story in the division. I agree and our mental Maps Balor baby Adam Cole what's going on? This maybe like a 30-minute epic. They may give it time. I I want to see them bring it. I wanted to be like takeover level. Like I want I want it to be so I want to be blown away. Yeah, and I'm excited to just watch it and see what happens. Absolutely. I want to be able to look at the clock and be like, oh, it's only 6:30 exactly surprised us and really make us love NXT even more That's all folks with the mesh. We looking forward to it. Once the your Dino. I'm Balor Club. Let's do it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know I can't. It's not until we get out of here David Christopher. We're gonna World find you online. 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Here's what to do. If you feel lost in her life, maybe you just ended a relationship. Maybe your career isn't looking the way that you hoped for it, too. Maybe you're not really enjoying your studies and you're finding it boring. If you just don't know what to do with your life right now. Well, if you feel lost the most important thing that you can do is move closer to your likes. And when I say likes I mean the things you enjoy doing without anybody telling you to do them, one of the things you actually like spending your time off one of the things you do when nobody's asking you to do anything. What do you do in your free time? Whatever it is that you enjoy the most whatever it is that you get the most Joy from that's the thing to get closer to that's the thing to lean up against because if you feel lost it's usually You don't have a sense of purpose or meaning or that you don't really know what to do with your life. You don't know which path to take or which person to get closer to him build a relationship with but if you move closer to the things you already like then there's no puzzle really because there are already things in your life that you enjoy the already things in your life that you like doing and instead of trying to find some ultimate purpose or trying to figure out the big picture. ER the best thing for you will be to just spend more time on those things and try to figure out how you can do. So in a productive way see a lot of people they enjoy watching TV show sir. They enjoy playing video games. Well, if you want to start to have some success in your life, then maybe ask yourself. How could I produce something and this industry or in this field? Could you develop a video game Could you actually become an There and play a part in the TV show because whatever it is that you enjoy watching and consuming whoever it is that you love spending time with that's what you have to get closer to just spend more time with that person doing that thing and then figure out how to make it productive and find the purpose and the meaning within that instead people often think about their careers or their lives in the way where it's logical you're thinking. Oh, well what makes Sense for me is to get a good degree and find a partner. That's also making a decent amount of money and then we can marry have a few kids and I'll get a nice car nice house and that will make sense because that's what we're sold. But instead of using your logical brain to make these decisions. Why don't you try to listen a little bit to your heart to your emotions? Because if your unfulfilled feeling lost it's a feeling it's not a thought. It's not like oh logically I'm On point with my life. So now I'm going to logically fix it if that was the case. He will be easy, but your unconscious is telling you that hey something's not right here. Maybe you logically have all the things that you should be happy with that. You were told or taught to go after they may accomplish those things and you still feel lost that feeling isn't going away until you do what feels right for you until you do what you like doing more until you find a way to make that into to your life instead of pursuing things that you don't enjoy and trying to force yourself to enjoy them. Just move closer to what you already enjoy and find a way to monetize build and create around that thing instead.

How you can improve your life and stop feeling so lost by stopping with logical thinking and think about what would make you happy and go from there! S U B S C R I B E : https://www.youtube.com/user/RafaelEliassen?sub_confirmation=1 Coaching with Rafael: https://www.rafaeleliassen.com/coaching #FeelingLost #NotFeelLostAnymore #LifeChanging #HaveFocus #HavingFocus #FindYourPurpose #FindPurpose #FindingPurpose #FindingYourPurpose #FindingDirection #LifeDirection #FindYourPassion #FindingYourPassion #FindingPassion #PersonalDevelopment #SelfImprovement #SelfHelp #Motivation #Motivational #MotivationalSpeech #MotivationalSpeaker I think I’m lost. I really don't know how to live the rest of my life. I feel hopeless and depressed, with no goals or dreams. What should I do? Stop with logical thinking. For a second, stop with all the what’s supposed to make you happy. Feeling lost is a “feeling” and we should try to solve it that way. Logic won’t help you because; people who logically have everything right in their life, feel lost too. I want you to observe whatever comes up, as you read along. There is one way to get out of this emotional abyss. Move closer to the things you enjoy. Not what’s logically right. Not a college, a job, or even friends. The things you low-key want to try but are scared they won’t make you happy and you will be sad. That’s what you are afraid of, right? Trying something and the sadness that will come if it didn’t work. You are sad anyway. You might as well try it and take a leap of faith. It could be trying out a new sport or traveling or starting to write, starting a side business, asking someone out, cutting off toxic friends. Whatever you feel like doing, make a list. Do the least scary one first. You will feel a little bit lighter and alive, you will automatically want to try the next one. It’s going to be scary. You will have thoughts ( logic), stopping you from doing this. But stick through. Because you owe that to yourself. Your life will only get better if you take some different action. No amount of thinking will save you. Different action towards your feeble yet authentic desires.

Welcome to South love school. I'm so happy that you're here. My name is Cecilia, and I'm all about creating a community of self-love self-care and confidence today's guest is an incredible and inspiring individual. His name is Market Dempster. He's an addiction therapist and he's practicing Harley Street, and he's also personally recovering from addiction. He's also a best-selling author to nothing to declare which is available on Amazon. So, please Check it out. We will talk about addiction and recovery, and how do we know if we're addicted to something addiction can be just so many different things like alcohol drugs sugar shopping and even using our phones now, so we talked about so many different things. Please stay tuned to find out what causes addiction and how it can be healed. Thank you so much for listening. God bless you. Hi everyone. Welcome back to South love school. I am so grateful and thankful to have Market Dempster with us. It's so great to have you with us today. You said how you feeling today? I feel quite good year and rest even relaxed. You feel good. That's lovely. It's so lovely to have you here. So today I wanted to discuss a topic. That is so beneficial be beneficial to our listeners about Addiction. So what is the diction? Okay. So addiction I think addictions and illness as regards a mental health condition and a bit like or certainly it would be probably categorized now as like a personality disorder just like an eating disorder really Same Realms and of course, so what isn't it what is addiction so there's a variety of different things that people become addicted to is whether it's drugs and alcohol or gambling or sex or sugar or you know could be exercised. It could be healthy addictive processes like yeah and and you know, and they'll say it in addictions that are more socially acceptable with another so say for example worker Horsham that's when you looked upon and can be looked upon as the piercing been very successful already worked that Ivan contacts have but yeah, but don't serve and successful when they are there, you know their self-esteem and their sense of meaning and purpose in life is that I've completely from from their work and so therefore if they don't work they feel that's not vacuum and say Got sense of loss or or or maybe self-loathing or yeah, you know, it's sort sort but the components of addiction as if we're looking at it's an obsessive Behavior whatever, you know is there's a preoccupation with the behavior and it causes content the consequences are that causes harm to the person or to others. Yes, and and the idea is that you're able to recognize if you're in an addictive pattern of behavior. Hmm, so you know, yeah, so it's essential that we live in a society, you know, like we live in a society. No, we are people are very addicted to their phones or two. Oh my God, yes will net. You know, you just look as that we got on the tube like you go on the trip today or I go on the trip to the end. You see every lengthy 5% of people 1000. Yeah. I like Cottage will be on the phone. Yeah, and what they don't know as if they're on social media, they're getting the little sort of set at all and then they'll go / Manhattan every time they're looking at the phone. Yeah, and and that if this if they think they're going to lose the think they've lost the fall and they go into Panic often because they've got so much emotionally invested and oh my goodness. Yes. yeah, yeah and the connection that they make with people and so, you know, so there's a a real variety of different things that you know, younger people and older people became addicted to You know that, you know the became sort of emotionally dependent on yeah, you know that we can talk more as like yeah it like this. It's quite interesting, isn't it? Like, you know, we always made reference to addiction being We had especially with drugs that was like or or alcoholism with alcohol like the sort of down and out of this are they the sort of Street addict or there, you know and less sore. We you know and its really easily disguise because there's lots of people who come and see me in hardly see for example who have got addictions but their addictions there. Very successful people who you know that they're addicted to alcohol for example. Or they're you know and aim, but yeah overtly the look Fame but they are dependent on alcohol psychologically, but the very successful people so that the high functioning alcoholics. Yeah, and so to the outside Observer Today say The Observer. They look successful. Yeah, and they look, you know, they're doing really well with our chief execs of organizations or so, but yet. Their emotional landscape that are emotional relationships with family with the way for the children is as really disorganized or disrupted by their their addiction. Yeah. Definitely. I mean it affects so many other things that we don't realize we think is just that that we need to work on but he's actually worthiness and relationships. Yeah so much more that comes With that which may be unworthiness might be one of the causes to addiction or one of the reasons. We yeah become emotionally invested in something outside of ourselves. Yes, oh the unworthiness. So that's an interesting. So the unworldliness or the the shame maybe at the core or the fear anxiety. That don't know enough. Yes as a person. Yeah, they feel like to publish goes back to Dunbar Venus. Doesn't it? What we've got to get with addiction when were treating addiction we have to really look at addiction as in the actual chemicals or the behavioral pattern that somebody does, you know, externally, you know where that Gambling whether it's a expect that it's prune or graffiti. I mean Luke, we can even put an or graffiti. Yeah, as you know it which is really interesting as well with it. I think 60% of Google search out. She's a in this country are porn. It's it's something I mean, it's really high is really really high. Yeah. It's a lots of young people are addicted to pornography. Lots of older people not just younger people. But yeah, lots of people lots of men remember year at addicted to pornography and I remember years ago there in the BCP and them therapy today magazine the work they haunt the porn industry had like a mission statement to get more and more women are addicted to porn. So therefore it could justify or even see we want them to get them addicted but they want to say that we want them to get them to become users. pornography and therefore to because if you think of it and the family and the family unit if you've got the women in one room looking at pornography in the mines and the other room looking at porn pornography, it's this sort of breakdown of the release of an intimate relationship really existed a fantasy about other people all the time that you know, and so so young young man and especially are you know, And being means we can access and within 20 seconds or 30 seconds, we can access more pornographic images than era granth grandparents with the scene in their whole life. You know it like so and how does that rewire the brain when we're off for getting such stimuli that is highly arousing, you know, highly addictive and also creates so much of a dopamine flow to the brain, so Increase dopamine levels to the brain. So young people before they're even having sex with the with the ghetto or what the boy for that matter are. They are exposing yourself to this imagery that the becomes sort of normalized to it's so their imagery the problem with that is that you to get the same high from the nurses my it's really addictive as well. So it to get the same high you have to keep increasing the sort of taboo of it somehow that there's such I guess it's all sort of Shadow weigh in. She really but basically you saw saw if you think of you know, a young boy meets ghetto Meets Boy and then they find yourself in a room together, but the but the person's been looking at pornography like rape scenes and so gangbangs and really explicit. Yeah. So hardcore a majorly he can win the game. So all the boys starts to take their clothes off because the stimuli is not the same level of what he's been witnessing. He can't get sexually a row so he's saying because his brains been be wild. Yeah, and so there's lots of different I guess what I'm saying is that there's lots of different ways that people fix on things that are destructive for them. - yeah, but the knife system says, you know, so so the the outward symptoms as the poor on the outward symptoms the drugs or the alcohol or there or symptom is, you know, the actual behavioral Parts on that's a process addiction that are chemical addiction but underneath what we had what's at the core of that? Why is the Pearson medicating? Yeah, so then we go often back to those trauma. Yes. Been some type of trauma and the person's life are to create two for their brain to be wild than that particular way. So a lot a lot of Specialists say addiction specialist particularly see like a boar Marty for example, say would say, you know, let's not look at the out what let's look at the pain. What is the not Is the addiction what is the pain? Hmm? What is the trauma the game? What is the trauma? What's the pin and you know, let's let's look at that because if we don't deal with them or other pain all that's going to happen as they may stop that addictive process, but it will shift into another different type of addiction. Yeah, definitely transformed from one form to another. Yes and not really deal. With the actual core issue. Yeah. So what do you find with your clients? What do you find? The traumas are generally well often often. There's Ben. Some type of know it may not be sexual abuse. It may not be even physical abuse, but there's often with most of my clients. There's often been some type of neglect. Yeah abandonment. Yeah from Early Childhood does often. I mean, I see with lots of my male clients that is often an absent emotionally absent father. Yeah. And the boys are chasing after this Father Figure to you or looking for the looking for love and the drugs or the alcohol or and the prestige from the job or the cuter. You know, there's so many different manifestations of of addiction that someday can be You know like a lot of successful as I said before lots of successful people have got addictive personalities as well. In fact, it takes to some degree for people like musicians or artists or musicians are actors Comedians and stuff. They for them to become really successful at what they do. They have to repeat it over and over and over again. Yeah athletes, for example, they have to be obsessed. Aced with the Spore. I mean really obsessed with it to get to become so good at it. So they're involved in got an addictive personality. Yeah, but the addictions channeled in a very productive way for them, but when they stop that sold for whatever, you know, if that it's higher or they get an injury. Yeah, or the You know what, they start to use drugs and alcohol. Yeah some other form of addiction may be gambling like a lot of football players. Yeah, really? They can't maintain the sport really if the going to be excessive. Well, they can to some degree but not very well really every can't sharpen them. So so therefore a healthier form of addiction that often happens with football players as gambling the Become a nun because they've got a predisposing. They this is what we don't know also as that, is that a predisposing? Jean Genet? They say that the can be a genetic Factor coupled with then some environmental issues that happen. I am in The Glades I'm talking about archery or what abandonment or You know and then that creates the sort of perfect storm and early exposure to an addictive process which changes the brain wiring of the brain. Yeah. Wow, yeah, definitely. So all of these addictive behaviors have consequences. Yeah, for example, we mentioned relationships it have destructive, you know can be destructive to your relationships your finances to your career. What else can they do? What what else to your health? Of course to the health, right? Okay. So for this I mean, so I yeah, this is probably a good time to talk about my my addictions. Aye aye. My addictions I like so those I was addicted to drugs to I mean eventually heroin and cocaine crack cocaine or looks like cocaine and crack cocaine and alcohol was addicted to and from and I I think I became addicted to too. Two drugs from quite a young age really float and I mean maybe about 17 that I became psychologically addicted to cannabis to begin with 16. I think I became psychologically addicted later on to the classy drugs certainly got physically addicted to them by the age of 21 22 alcohol definitely addicted to that by 22 as well. Which wait one. And so the consequences to me where a number of different things physically, you know, my body was, you know being impaired by large amounts of data, but I was young at the time so soon the board is so resilient and the level so resilient so never really impacted me on and my 20s so much maybe by my late twenties, even though it's rotating copious amounts of drugs and alcohol. Alcohol every day, but my relationships definitely got and painted like the type of women that I was attracted to became much more of an addictive sort. So I became attracted to women who were also very addictive as well. So whereas at the beginning my initial girlfriends where people who were much more thoughtful and considerate and And and like there were sort of quaint night, you know, there were certain neighs middle class get all these English get all those are you know, not necessarily English girls could be Scottish goes I could be like from another countries real but there were bit. But by the time I was 20 because I was involved in creme they water seeks its own level. I was attracted to women and who were also living on the edge tape thing the repressed takers they were using drugs to say of the you know, and so so then packed one that is the impact on my life would have been that at narrowed down my opportunities for intimate relationships with people that were healthy because I pushed them because I because I wouldn't do it push them out of the way as regards like I wouldn't And then you know, I got exposed to Hepatitis C. So I got hepatitis C when I was in my 20s. I had exposure to HIV, but I never got HIV but I shared with one person who was HIV remember sharing with somebody who was HIV positive. So I was smuggling drugs. So I was smuggling from from one country to another I smuggling Into from out of Thailand and to Malaysia. I was smuggling back to England. I was carrying lots of drugs in my body, which I think if they'd exploded a Walt did started to seep I would have been dead immediately. Well, it was countries where it was a death penalty. If I'd been caught I could have got the death penalty. So so continually putting my life in danger. No, that's that's that's Of them packed for me and then packed obviously then that has along my family my mother my father then worrying about me, you know, my cousin's and such like worrying about me criminally getting caught up in putting present castrated financially losing, you know, like Puzzles involved in claim. I got money, but then it was all illegal so that kids You know that the money doesn't mean anything also, you know, I never had children back then which I'm really glad now that I didn't have children then yeah. Well, I do have children now, but who but they've never seen me because I've been cleaning because also which is important. I've been clean and sober now for 22 latest nearly this the same by the start December up with 23 years. Wonderful, so it's great. So it's sort of had a whole life of in fact, I've had longer and like by several years well by seven years now that the time that I spent using drugs. No alcohol the amount of time that I've got. No clean and sober as lot longer by seven years than they did using drugs. No alcohol. Hmm, you know lat it's or 23 and I was using drugs and alcohol for 16 years addictively. Lee So it's just got you know, there's so many consequences that but people die. Continually, you know, we see over the celebrities at die because they're in the public domain but there's so many people. Yeah, but died that we never hear about. Yeah, definitely on a daily basis. In fact as real certain have an essence of you. There will be a some place in the world right now. There was some day there were several people. Yeah buying everything action right now or die. That are going to die as real speaking Yeah from addiction. Yeah, of course and I'm really hoping that people that can hear your story and they can be inspired and they can do you know, it's it's possible to change and it's possible to heal from this which comes to my next question. How do we heal from this and also if we have loved ones who are addicted to something. How do we deal with that? Because I have so many Many people that you know have family brothers and sisters who are addicted to certain things and substances and they don't know how to deal with it. Yeah. I think it's so difficult for the family members to because you can you can lead a horse to water but you know, it's nothing you can't make them drink is like so to some degree a person has got to get to their that their own realization. Whoever has the you know, what Sam and women just to they've got to get to their sort of rock bottom or are Rock Bottom for them to like say to the self. Okay don't want to do it anymore. But you know, we can you know, the family members can give them as much support and education and tell them about you know, I give them guidance. But unless they want to set forth on that path. There's not much there. Not much we can do but however what what also family members can do which is important for them as they be they have to get their own support. Yeah. No one helped to deal with the family member and those really good 12-step. Yeah group so they are like Island on families and on the mess that pervade that's free is confidential. Yeah support for the family members. But also what's important as for family members as that, they don't colludes with their illness that they don't collude with the addiction of the family member as and they don't keep giving them money, you know to feed their habit. They're doing yeah, they don't keep an abling them to cardio on the behavior know this is really difficult because you know, like a mother who's got a son who wants a drugs. Hope you're like screaming or threatening or almost certainly trying to manipulate every you know to get money for the drugs. Yeah, often the drug addicts and alcoholics horror the people that are closest to them. Yeah, cause they can't because they can because they can steal from the mother only know with it, you know other father or of Steel from the family members and then So that they won't get in present. They met the likelihood is the not getting present because the family member won't take, you know, criminal action against the Sun so so I would say for family members. You know what this whole enabling and colluding with them does the has to be a type of hard love? Yeah, which is I think is very difficult. I mean like I'm speaking all soars up here in here, you know. Yeah, you know, you see your daughter your son who's an addiction and they keep one stealing from you and you're letting them stay in your house and they keep stealing your money at what? T ask them to leave and you know what, you know that they're going out on the street, you know that they're more vulnerable out there then they'll go home. But but at the same time if you allow it to keep on happening, you're you're you know, you're not helping them at all. You're not helping them to so it's that it's that you know, how do you be of support but also practice tough love? Yes in time. That's the the challenge it really is a challenge for For everybody involved. Yeah, but we know also that when Sundays and their addiction it's not the same person as you, you know, it's like when you're in the addiction, it's like it's like having a twin that resides and say to a distance of 20 dark $20 Shadow Self. Yeah who's which is really active and that Shadow Self is incredibly selfish. Self-centered to the core. Yeah, there's a lot is often a liar. The soreness manipulate highly manipulative. Yeah, and it's a part of the personality is really dark. Yeah, so so you've got basically this You know, you've got see a sign that a daughter but they're they're they're thinking their behavior and their emotions as like someone completely different to what you recognize is your son or daughter. Yeah, and and the it's like they're possessed. It's like they are they're taken over by something else. Yeah - but that's past now it is older, you know, really? Yeah. And and it's and their own the got cognitive impairment. They can't think the amount of things. You know, I've seen horrendous things where I've seen in my life. I had a friend once we were in rehab and we both got kicked out of this rehab because we drank water in the rehab we got caught and they got breathalyzed and we both get asked to leave and this was an 8 1989. Back in 1989. If you had a a few were HIV positive if you had the virus and you were a heroin addict, if you would intravenous heroin addict you could get from some hospitals like st. Thomas's you could get diamorphine like your heroine because you were hiv-positive and because you are not already a drug addict anyway, so when we got kicked out this rehab I mean as friends his name is Kevin. On the way down the road down the hill with us was in Canberra. Where when Denmark hell we were walking down the road. He said to me he says, you know Mark I and also back then remember of you know, it's good to know about this as well as that back then if you were HIV positive you could get a lot of care alone's bachir allowances. You could get dla disability 11 the loans. You could get like a car. I can't budget for a car or you could get some day that we drive your own so they got money Akira type budget. So anyway, it amounted to quite a bit of money a bit amounted to maybe 300 or 350 pounds per week. Which back then would be equivalent to maybe 700 now and you know, so so as I was walking down the hill with this Kevin said to me, you know, I'm sick of this try to get clean. I'm just going to go and get some blood from from Angie. There's go Angie and Brixton who is hiv-positive. I'm going to go get her blood with injector and to myself and then I'll get it then. I'll get this heroin from some Thomas's hospital and I will get the disability 11 their loans and that's what you're done. He went off and got the blood injected at know. That sounds absolutely And seeing but then if we think about I mean, you know, people are out there every night does ghettos prostituting? Yeah, as we are sent here now, there's ghettos and London. Yeah those they'll be hundreds of ghettos really that are prostituting the cell rate at this moment for drugs. Hmm and the asleep my man or our Command sleep with women prostitutes us, you know, equally could be the same way but more often not the other way around but yeah that they are. The mising their you know, their welfare practica get you know, seriously heart they do get up you're getting abused and every whatever way you look at it again abused and just to get the drugs and this guy cave and that's what he's done. He took that thing made got the bloody injected it you got HIV but he had no immune system. He had very poor immune system because he didn't have the virus until that woman and he got the virus. All words all of the women the so that the virus was so when I was injected and his body it was on the viral load that she had which was massive and campanas and he has immune system and within sixty seven months. He was dead, you know, so it got you know, and that Maya tell that story is that is that as addicts that mean that were talking about, you know, extremes here of addiction, but but, you know, we don't really have to Look too far and we can see extremes of addiction. Yeah, you know and probably in the news continually of deaths and people yeah every day. Hmm. And so, how can we change it? Yeah. So yeah who to be recover? They saw we saw saw those different types of you know those different Things we have to do to recover right and a big part your, you know, like your your podcasts and suchlike in the work that you're doing at and self-love is really really important because you know, we've got to you know, when we look at the root cause of things we see that those really low self-esteem. Yeah, you know those tremendous amount of Shame. Yeah. They have the I mean, even if they weren't shame-based people to get your shame-based children or teenagers. Even if they did not have shame at the core when when they were a young younger child or adolescent they certainly pick up a lot of Shame from the behavior that they have to do and their addiction because they have to they have to be you know, manipulative and dishonest all the time which really affects the character like me and your integrity your moral compass. Yeah, so you've got you've got like behalf. To we have to let them see that they are not they are not responsible for the behavior that happened in the past when they were in the act of addiction because they were controlled by this this this addictive process. They had you know that they were powerless over their addiction there, but they certainly are responsible for what they do about it now the responsible They have recovery. Yeah, so does the physical recovery site where they physically stop doing whatever behavior is whatever drugs alcohol sex gambling. They stop, you know, they have complete abstinence from whatever and if you had and this is important as if you've got an addictive personality, you can more dirty that you can't moderate alcohol or drugs. Yeah. Yeah, there's no moderation. We can teach them to Mordor. Yeah, you know as much as people would have you believe here heartlessly is where with us like lots of therapist that or we can we can get it to moderate. No that's vain more relations Fain for people that have not overstate that we've not cross that line into addiction people that have just got the drank every back to a March or they don't the people that don't have their underlying symptoms of addiction. Either hypersensitivity the really create the very critical when I say of the fuel vacuum and say that if you were real like who you know where they the looking for this external thing to fix them fulfillment. Yeah, you talked about it as gotta like you bet it like many years ago when Alcoholics Anonymous was starting the Ewing was talking about the all addictions as that a spawns to a spiritual malady. They alcoholic the addict is looking for God but the looking for it and the alcohol or the drug or some behavioral Parts on their own plate of cheese and they're chasing either looking and and the Darkness for the light. Yeah, it's not there. So so does the physical recovery so we have to get them to stop completely. Yeah, and then there's emotional recovery and does mental recovery, you know and the spiritual recovery as well. yeah, if the you know, you know F so much about it's about really I'm not talking necessarily about an existential higher power or Gods but certainly like their own sense of spirituality and say their own sort of moral called a compass or living by principles that are aligned with their value system that though it's very difficult when they first get sober and clean because the value systems often been compromised so much. They don't know what they really what the value system is. So we have to help them and still were healthy value system. What is a healthy moral compass for individuals? You know that we don't steal for people with the one we don't commit, you know, we don't and commit mortal. We don't commit. We don't hurt people with your you know, like all those types of sort of spiritual principles, but then we've got Most you know bear in mind if people are using drugs are any type of addiction from a young age. They have no emotionally developed of God devolved in got very little or very stagnated emotional intelligence. So if they've started like for example, I started when I was 15, so when I got clean I was 32, but I think emotionally I was still with the age of a 15 At all, so because everything that I experienced in my life, I just use drugs now called to medicate the feeling so I didn't actually deal with the feelings of things. Yeah, because I was continually stormed and drinking. Yeah, so deaths breakups and relationships the normal things that people feel as he progressed through life. They create emotional muscle and Brazilians. I never got any of that because because there Self-medicate no time. Yeah, so so I've got it help the individual emotionally develop. Yeah, you know and it's a journey it's not like it doesn't happen overnight and intellectually mentally we have to get them, you know, it's really good that they're getting enough sleep and you know, obviously diet and sleep know that sorbet to the important exercise fatal important. Yeah for them for the for the physical recovery. But that has an impact on the mental recovery as well like for three days ago for doing meditation that really helps mentally deal with a main that can be really impulsive and obsessive. Yeah, and and also, how do we attain goals? And how do we move forward to achieve stuff that will make us feel better about yourself? So the self-esteem. Yes, really really important. There's self-love and yeah, but hey we put and Different software to war you know, because if you think it mentally and people would have been over for years and years that they would have been reinforcing negative messages about yourself. Yeah. I'm not good enough from to farm two lists an ugly. I'm you know, whatever. It might be. Nobody likes me. I'm unlovable. You know, I'm ugly. Yeah, so we have to change or that I start to begin to change that and start to do like and tell no one. Affirmations can I'm a lately program the Mind reprogram the manger. Yeah completely. Yeah. You do you witness this with your client? Yes, of course. Yeah, I mean definitely my clients is a lot of self-esteem issues and not loving yourself and that's why I created self-love school because I really want to awaken that ability for us to love ourselves and loving yourself means so much more than the, you know, kind of The Superficial part of it and to just really deeply heal the wounds that we have from childhood and then start surrendering and trusting ourselves more and loving yourself and accepting of validating yourself and all of that stuff and then you know, this really guides you to a higher power to source to God and you know, you start kind of serving from that place and you become more kind loving compassionate and understanding and just life becomes easier and smoother and it just flows Those and yeah, definitely and it's a journey. It's a journey of self love and it's a beautiful Journey not easy, but it's beautiful. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah, definitely. Thank you so much for everything for all right stories and one more thing before. Yeah, we finished you talked about the phones and addiction to phones now, you know, this is kind of the recent thing that I mean so many people especially young people. People and that's going to affect their minds and their emotions so much. So before it gets to an addictive State. What can we do? What can we do we can prevent that? Yeah, we can now have I mean, I think a lot of the time, you know around even just the discipline that I'm not looking at her phone. All the time is really important and also having having sort of a detour socks from Tamar Tamar, we don't look you know, like but only allow allowing ourselves to look at our 4 in for x amount of time pad there or for the young people, you know, like so and especially parents when they're very aware of the check the trails where that's not it may not be for it may just be on iPads or do you know like yeah on on you know on whatever device is is that those that that's being observed by the parents as well and that there are low It's a certain amount of time on it. And then if you if you witness that they'll you know, there's a lot of disorders Behavior or you know that trying to you know, you would have to be quite disciplined with the child. Yeah. Well, I think it's I think we've got I mean they're our society. I think we've became very dependent on yeah on these devices and I just think you know You know, I know and I've obviously, you know, it's like, you know, we have to make we use the phone for a variety of different things for social engagement, but for works, you know for clients, it works as particular related issues, but but it's I think for us it's important to see okay. Well, you know, how do I use my phone? And how can I minimize? And there my eyes they maintained Spain just because often what I find myself doing which I don't need to do is just then looking at my phone and there's nothing actually happening. There's no message on there. There's no thing, but then I'm going to start going and looking for something. Yeah, you know and obviously that's like that's how about you. I've got a habit. Yeah, and I need to break that. Yeah and just saw just give him myself, you know, so I think it's important to yeah two for four people. I mean with all this it's about awareness to begin with is that having a wheel - and of of am I addicted to my phone, you know, I would say I think you're probably always a teacher for some degree, right? Yeah. So and then okay. So what how do I how is that addiction? But what am I as a result of me being addicted to my phone? What consequences does that have to my life my then not doing X y&z because I'm on my phone more or what? Could I what would I be doing? Yeah, if I wasn't on the phone and how it is it so how what's the impact and then it's about then making a decision. Yeah see to meet the phone work for me. Rather. Other than me being related to the Ford factory are definitely very true. Okay, it's so wonderful. Thank you so much for being here. I'm so grateful. No, it's a pleasure. Thank you. Thank you for the bouquet as well. Yeah. Thank you. You're welcome. And one last message to our listeners someone that you know finds themselves being addicted to something to food to sugar to shopping to found the alcohol anything and also for people who are struggling with And that they have someone in their family who is struggling with addiction. Yeah. What may do what that message? Yeah. Well, I think it's always good to read. I mean as you know, I've wrote A Few books, I've read a few books as well and I am yeah, I think it's good to for their family members to get awareness and understanding so to redock maybe we better be addiction and what it what it's about, you know, if they don't have personal experience for so that they become more familiar with With it. Yeah, I think also really important to know that there's so many different self-help groups out there for everything. You know, whether it's cocaine, you know of Cocaine Anonymous does Alcoholics Anonymous there's so many different fellowships that 12-step groups that people can go to to get help. Yeah, you know, whether it be around six whether it be cool dependence whether it be gambling, you know, the self-help groups were all of Was yeah and all those areas lots of professionals as well to go and get professional help. Yeah, and you know and also, you know and you know, if you've not got money if you've not got for Nancy's that the local authorities and each bar on each area around the UK. There's drug teams those alcohol teams. Yeah, those like those clinics were gambling but there's only one really in London But but so there's so there's lots of resources out there that if you go onto the internet you can get free as well resources. Yeah, and you know, so it's important that you know that does that help available for you? Yeah, definitely. So learn more about it and seek support. Yes. That's how yeah, definitely. Thank you so much Malaysia Angela. Thank you everyone for listening and have a lovely day. Take care. Bye. Bye. Cool. So will you put online and then?

Mark Dempster is an addiction therapist at Harley Street, London and has been personally recovering from addiction himself. I am so grateful and exited to welcome you to this episode of Self Love School podcast, Mark has helped thousands of people including many celebrities and well knows people heal their addictions and live a healthy, fulfilling  and meaningful lives. He is also a best selling author to " Nothing to Declare: Confessions of an Unsuccessful Drug Smuggler, Dealer and Addict" and "The Ongoing Path: A Guide to Stopping Addictive Behaviour and Fulfilling Ambition", which are both available on Amazon.co.uk. We discuss what exactly Addiction is and where it comes from. Why do we find ourselves addicted to certain things and what are the core issues related to addiction. How do we know we are addicted? Addiction can be to so many different things: Alcohol, Drugs, Caffeine, Gambling, Food, Sugar, Work, Shopping, Attention, Other People, Use of our Phone etc. If addiction is not dealt with on a deep level, it tends to transform from one form to another. Make sure you listen all the way through to find out the answer to all these questions. Thank you for being with us and I hope you enjoy this episode. Don't forget to share and leave a feedback if you enjoyed listening to this episode. God bless you!

Welcome to how Healthcare happens. My name is Brynn kentish. This is a brand new podcast from Cardiff and Vale, uh be showing you all the things that you never knew. The NHS did in this week's episode. We talked to David Thomas. Davith is a biomedical scientist in the oral pathology Labs at the University Dental Hospital Tavern. I discuss something that I always knew was a big problem in health care, but I never really understood much more about it than that and that is bacteria David and his colleagues represent the thin line between us beingFeet and a world where infectious diseases are the number one cause of deck. He has a really great way of explaining things. So it's quite a complex topic as you can imagine, but the way David explained it I think was great. He throws in a couple of fantastic film references in there. So keep an eye out for them and take heed of the lessons that we can all learn a second from David and how we can help these individuals fight fight against antimicrobial resistance all that and more. Coming up. Today's guest is David Thomas. He's a specialist biomedical scientist in oral pathology based at the University Dental hospital and the University Hospital of Wales in Cardiff. Welcome David. Hello there. Hey David. Can you tell me a bit about your role to start with? What is a biomedical scientist? What do you do? Biomedical scientists work in hospitals primarily in the labs. So whenever you hear a doctor saying we've done a test and it's gone to the lab so they might have taken some blood swab or any sort of sample from you the person in the labs that many different people but the majority of the people working there are biomedical scientists. So those are the people who will be conducting the laboratory tests on the sample and Reporting the results to the doctors. Jeff says, there's many different types of Consultants and Specialists nurses I assume there's probably lots of different types of biomedical science. There's lots of different Specialties within biomedical science. So in general, you've got the blood scientists or those Specialties are looking at the blood so blood group being Etc making sure you have the right Bloods to the two surgeries and two clinics people. They're looking at the biochemistry of the blood looking at chemicals in the blood helping to diagnose disease and monitor diseases like diabetes. For example, there's other people Looking at the immune system and that the diseases are involved in the immune system. There are other biomedical scientists that work in histology lab. So those are people that deal with whatever you have a biopsy taken they prepare the tissue to be looking under the microscope. So Pathologists can look at issue in determining whether there's any diseases going on there like cancer and then in my field microbiology, there are many different sub disciplines within that field as well. Right? So that's virologist. So there's Slabs that look at viruses. There's parasitology. There's mycology. So Labs that look at funguses and yeast and then as my speciality bacteriology, so the lab that looks at bacteria and infectious bacterial organisms, like like that. So as many and I'm sure I've missed outside as well in that list and more. Yeah, it's quite incredible, but there's so many members of Staff in the hospital that patients would never really come face-to-face with Probably don't know a lot about but it strikes me that the work that NHS does wouldn't function without this scientific backbone. There's a figure that's bandied about in our profession 80% of the decisions made by doctors are based on Laboratory Testing. I think that's probably a lot more than that. When you consider how much Laboratory Testing is involved in maintaining conditions like diabetes for examples or somebody would have a lot of blood tests and during the course of their treatment a lot of the work. Goes goes on behind closed doors, but it's really important for patient treatment. Yeah and innovation in healthcare as well because I can't imagine that things would progress without. Yeah, of course you guys do obviously the main research are the main Innovations recently has been in the genomics field where we're starting looking at the Genome of individual patients here in Wales. There's a hundred Genome Project that I'm aware of fascinating. I do hope to actually interview someone from the hundred genome projects maybe in a later episode that be very interesting. Yeah. Yeah, but let's go back to your speciality which is as you said bacteria, the extent of my knowledge around bacteria is that they make you ill or some of them at least make you ill indeed. I don't really know much more than that. So can you kind of explain what our bacteria do we know that our bodies human bodies are made up of a lot of individual Parcels that we call cells. Yes, there's lots of cells in the human body. So they're Specialists skin cells liver cells blood cells Etc bacteria. Unicellular, so I didn't visual bacterium is just made up of one cell it's microscopic. So you can't see them with the naked eye. You need a microscope to see them and bacteria everywhere in the world. Yeah in the environment that on the table in front of me that on the floor that on the doorknob that in the soil there in the air that everywhere and they exist everywhere. So you've got leaks which are boiling had two degrees Celsius with bacteria, right? And deep under the soil. There's bacteria deep in the ocean. There's bacteria high up in the air that's bacteria. You even have bacteria sometimes growing on radioactive nuclear reactors, you know, my old professor and universities used to tell me that whatever life can exist. It will exist that is usually in the form of bacteria and they're fundamentally different to the cells of our body in a number of different ways, which makes it a Bodacious for us so you can use things like antibiotics that Target these Differences so they can kill bacteria but leave ourselves alone. So there's quite a number of bacteria living on the human body all the time. The main sights are on the skin, especially the armpit in the groin areas like that. The oral cavity is many many different bacteria within the oral cavity and then the primary site where you find the bacteria the human body is the is the gut the small and large intestine. We're both sitting here now with lots of bacteria in our bodies, but we were both perfectly healthy. It's a revelation recently that we discovered that the bacteria on a human body. Not only are they not causing us any harm. Some of them are actually beneficial for us. There's lots of different examples of that. There's been studies showing that when a person is stressed their gut microbiota changes as a result of the stress. There's I've been other studies linking the microbiota in the gut with obesity. So they've done some studies in mice where they've got mice. Jim free which is sterile and they've put the microbiota of a dead mouse in one and the microbiota of a fat mouse in the nether then fed them both the same diet the mouse with the microbiota from the fatness just put on more weight right there. So you can see that how the micro world is key at how we digest our food. Yeah that's been shown as well in humans. There's been cases where people getting treated for crusty Joy these difficile disease. They get a fecal transplant from a close member of the family and it's been shown that people who get that. I've started to put on weight because they've got the microbiota from an obese person. It's been shown that in breast milk. There are things that the baby can't digest but they're they're specifically for the gut microbiota become established. You can see how long this symbiotic relationship between us and bugs has been bugs in our gut to produce vitamins that we do not produce like vitamin K. They obviously As a natural Shield to other pathogenic organisms. So if you think about it a pathogen is trying to get into your body, but the house is full because it's bacteria are everywhere and they can't get a foothold. There's lots of different examples currently in the literature showing the benefits of the microbiome as well. And obviously when it gets unbalanced or there's a shift it can cause some diseases like asthma and inflammatory bowel diseases and stuff like that. That is fascinating. We've established that we're full of bacteria anyway, but there are some types of bacteria that if you were to ingest them, then you are likely to contract some sort of disease. I'm thinking like E.coli that sort of thing. So types of E, coli salmonella campylobacter, neisseria gonorrhea, sexually transmitted diseases and so forth. Those are what we would call maybe obligate pathogens. There are other types of pathogens that we call opportunist. Thick so these are the bacteria that live on us normally not causing us any harm but given the opportunity you can cause disease so classy example, that would be staphylococcus. Aureus it lives on our skin quite harmless lie, but if we have a cat or something then when the staphylococcus aureus gets into the cat, it starts to cause disease and start to cause infection, right and they are lots of examples of that where we have endogenous infections happening in the body and that happens a lot in health care a lot of Vance's of Health Care over the years intensive care treatments like lines being put in four trips Etc catheterization all make the human body susceptible to opportunistic infections. And so it's a big problem in hospitals. Yeah, and that usually happens with endogenous bacteria on the body. Is that what we would call a hospital-acquired infection? Yeah, it will it will be so say that whether acquired it from yourself or from the environment within the hospital people within People all surfaces within the hospital as well. So we've treated bacteria with antibiotics, which you mentioned very briefly. Can you explain how they work? So antibiotics are chemicals? Yeah chemicals have a unique three-dimensional shape and how antibiotics work they encounter a bacteria. And as I mentioned previously there certain things that are bacterial cell has that a human cell in our body? And tough and there are a number of examples for example bacteria have what they call a cell wall and ourselves do not a cell wall is something on the outside of the bacteria that gives it rigidity and strength to exist within the environment. What an antibiotic would do it will come in and bind specifically to a bacterial structure due to its shape. So for example, we could be two different bacteria, but we're two different bacteria because we have a different shape face. So if an antibiotic would come into the room now, it could bind specifically Lie to my face because it's shaped that way and as a result it binds to my face. I can't breathe and I die but you don't because your face is a different shape, which is bounce off May and it just doesn't bind tightly and you'll be fine. So that's in essence what happens with an antibiotic. It comes into the bacterial cell binds to something and that binding inhibits the function of whatever is just bound to and that results in either the cell dying or at the very least not dividing. So for example, everybody's heard of maybe the antibiotic called penicillin. Yes penicillin acts on the cell wall of bacteria. What it does is it goes into the cell wall and it prevents the cell wall from form incorrectly as a result the cell wall of bacteria in the presence of penicillin is structurally weak. And so they pop like a balloon you imagine like a balloon when the structure our integrity of the balloon is compromised. It pops. Yes and back to you. They're just do the exactly the same things. The bacterias are under pressure. The cell wall is weak. And they explode and that in essence. It's how antibiotics well there are lots of antibiotics are they said that Target the cell wall, there are targets within the cell in the bacterial cell which are unique to bacteria. So as a result, the antibiotics have no effect by and large and ourselves and there are dozens and dozens of different types of antibiotics is that right? There's lots of different types of antibiotics. There are only a couple of Target sites within a bacterial cell and to be Optics initially I discovered they produced by That microorganisms. So people may know the penicillin was discovered from a mold from a fungus and there are other antibiotics that are have been discovered from other bacteria and they produce it of course because the bacteria are producing antibiotics because they're in competition with other bacteria within the environment for space and nutrients Etc. Yeah, so that chemical warfare going on so many very recently within the evolutionary period of the world as it has been that mankind have used these antibiotics for that. Benefit what has happened recently not recently. But in the past then clever chemists take the natural antibiotics and change them chemically prolonging their usefulness and changing the characteristics or maybe they have a broader spectrum of activity or better pharmacokinetics within the body, you know, so maybe last better in the body or penetrate into a body site better. That's what basically we do it done in the past antibiotics have been discovered and we've changed their chemistry prolonging their usefulness the main Of course that that discovery of antibiotics has slowed down. Well, yeah, let's let's come onto that. So we've used antibiotics for around World War Two. There's a World War II we were when we were knowingly using antibiotics can look back in history and ancient civilizations using things like garlic and honey, which they used for treating wounds Etc. And only now we're realizing that those substances do actually have an antibacterial properties, you know, but only real robot. Oh, we found chemicals and new Use them specifically knowingly that they treat infections but we've been using things unknowingly for a very very long time and we're going back and looking at those compounds now trying to find new antibiotics. A lot of research has been going on in Cardiff with honey, Manuka Honey, especially we are creating and using more and more antibiotics more effective antibiotics, but unlike I suppose viruses and immunizations You know how we eradicated smallpox from the world for example bacteria don't go away. Do they remember that bacteria have been using antibiotics to kill themselves other bacteria for billions of years. And so they used their used to becoming resistant. So that's the game. They've been playing for a while. So this is nothing new for the bacteria and it's just a process of evolution. Really. I remembered a joke. It's a a lion with the best. Into this room. I don't have to outrun the lion. I just have to outrun you. It's about adapting and bacteria a very good at adapting fast as well fairly fast bacteria divide quickly. And so they're able to produce mutants it within a population and then those mutants can be selected for by the antibiotic when we divide as human beings. We have to duplicate our genome and that takes a long time. So imagine you had to copy an essay for example, and you Week to do it the copy you would do would be pretty good right if you had to copy an essay in 10 minutes and they might be a few typos in there. Yeah in the genetic code we would call those mutations. Yeah. So when you have a bacterial this dividing all the dr. cells are not identical that are mutants in there. Those mutants have a price to pay because they might be not as fit as the other so they might die and they might struggle to survive that diversity means that when there's a change in the environment the bacteria population can adapt to it quickly. Lee so the change in the environment, you know in humans could be that we start getting predicted by lions and we gets and only those that can run fast get selected for yeah, like the film Zombieland. I don't know if you've seen the film Zombieland, but the first rule of zombies. Yes, it's cardio if not a reference. I was expecting. Yeah, so but I'm a big zombie farm and and the first rule is cardio and so it selects for people who can run fast. And so that's the same thing that's happening in the bacterial population when you use an antibiotic it selects for those bacteria. Have developed resistance. And as a result, you get the entire population then is that of resistant bacteria? Yeah, but what bacteria can do as well that we can't is that they can transfer their DNA from one individual to another what we call horizontal Gene transfer. So we get our genetics from our parents and we pass it on to our children if we were bacteria, I could give you the gene for the resistance despite transferring horizontally to you and as a result of that the adapt quickly. Yeah bacteria can adapt quickly and become resistant to antibiotics very quickly. So that is created a problem called antimicrobial resistance is now that's basically what we've just outlined is that the bacteria are mutating to become not consciously, but the mutant bacteria that are resistant to antibiotics. Yeah, they did that they just they're just adapting they want to survive and we as a human population as Humanity have used antibiotics extensively. I mean if you think about Of the dollar modern Healthcare is based on the use of antibiotics. There's like organ transplantation cancer treatment limb replacement with artificial knees Etc. All that stuff can happen because of the use of antibiotics. Well any sort of general surgery, I any invasive procedure, you know, there was a time where a cut on your finger could be a life-or-death situation giving birth could be a life-and-death situation and the use of antibiotics has meant that people surviving these things and Able to survive, you know, very Advanced invasive treatments. When you going into intensive care ward in the hospital. You see all these patients with all these machines in them keep them alive. But as a result that all susceptible to infection and these patients can be kept alive with antibiotics and then hopefully kept alive to treat what they are being treated for with all these invasive procedures. I saw David give a talk at a conference where he showed a video clip of bacteria on yes. What was that work desk? That was eager. We commonly use egg as a medium to grow bacteria and the lab it was a big a plate and it had no one up antibiotics in the egg on the periphery and it was getting more and more concentrated as it got into the center. It was just a Time Lapse video showing bacteria growing coming up to the antibiotic and stopping. And then the mutation happened between in one bacteria and you can you saw that bacteria then this flourish and spread to the new environment. So I'll put a link to that video in the episode description of this podcast. And I do really really recommend that you watch it not to frighten yourselves, but just to be kind of aware of the problem that we're talking about and some of the steps that we as individuals can take to help combat this but I wanted to ask how did health organizations I suppose worldwide as well as the NHS in the UK. UK how do they combat this problem? That is the million-dollar question. I feel that it's important to remember that the bacteria don't see boundaries. And so whatever we do. It has to be a worldwide response. That's the first thing there are lots of things that we can do to help slow the progress of antimicrobial resistance and there's lots of people who need to be involved in that. So things like increasing public awareness of the issues are just this very podcast for example is something positive. About raising public awareness of the issue. So that patients for example don't demand antibiotics when they go see a doctor for a cough or a cold or something like that. Yeah, we don't want to misuse of the use of antibiotics and if we use a lot of antibiotics, then we're putting this great what we what evolutionary biologists we call a selection pressure the bacterial population. So you want to keep the use of antibiotics antibiotics down or within reasonable limits. Another thing we need to do then worldwide is to improve hygiene and sanitation stopping people from getting sick in the first place. Yeah, increasing vaccination rates and things like that. We need to look at the use of antibiotics in agriculture. They used heavily in agriculture for various reasons, which is not my area of expertise. But I know that when they use in agriculture again, the antibiotics are getting into nature and I'll have an impact on obviously selecting for bacteria. Yeah for resistant bacteria within the environment that bacteria can then come in and affect us all. The genes from the environment as I've said can be transferred to bacteria that affect us. Yeah, so we need to look at that. We need to look at maybe new technologies in my area for Rapid Diagnostics or maybe getting results and tests and much more quickly and not in days but in hours and then really going on with the work that we do in the hospital is surveillance. Yeah surveillance is key in my opinion to maintaining the usefulness of antibiotics as long As possible and to reduce am I want to ask about that. So how does the work you do kind of inform this strategy when a healthcare professional gives you an antibiotic. They don't pick an antibiotic out of thin air. They base their decision on guidelines and they should be following guidelines local guidelines saying for this type of infection in the first instance use this antibiotic and those guidelines are based and should be based on good solid evidence so things that we know that if you use this antibiotic in the past this really worked Experts decide that yeah, and so what we do what I think is really important in surveillance is that we look at the type of infections. We sample them. We see what the bacteria causing the infections what the antibiotics they're susceptible to so that gives us a body of data that we can be used to review the guidelines when they come up for review. I'm always remembering my driving instructor when I was learning to drive long ago, and he always told me to look look ahead and the best time to see a problem is in the Distance so you have time to do something about it. Obviously when you're driving it slowing down or stopping but with surveillance what it is, we're looking ahead and we can see in the distance maybe some issue developing with resistance. And so we have the time to maybe suggest to doctors. Okay, maybe we prescribe another antibiotic hear something like that. Well, I don't want to see his patients all of a sudden not getting Optimum treatment and coming back on Revere ones there infections have not been resolving properly. You know and all of a sudden we think oh, wow, there's a big resistance problem here sneaked up as always a surprise to us, you know, I mean that's fascinating and obviously the work that you and your colleagues and counterparts around the world is doing is ensuring that people can live healthy lives. We're not afraid of infection from cuts and scrapes and stuff like that. We can have surgery we're living longer what would happen if we were to just stop and everyone was like right just prescribe any old antibiotic kind of worst-case scenario. It would be really scary. I mean, it's really scary. Now if you if you stop and think about it very soon. I don't want to say a timeline but if everybody was prescribing any antibiotic Willie or they are some place in the world where you can get antibiotics without prescription, so it is happening in some places. Yeah. Well, which is really scary and those are the areas of the world where we're finding highly resistant multi drug-resistant bacteria that situation where superbugs are. Will be a common place in this country if we started down that path and then you know life expectancy will drop and infectious disease people dying from infections. Not treatable infections would be the number one cause of death in the country at the moment. It's cancer but in a recent government report only report 2016. They said if antimicrobial resistant rates carry on the way, they are then by 2020. It will be the number one killer infectious diseases by antimicrobial. Since wow, it's a scary situation now really and then there's a lot of work in healthcare to really combat this now. All we can do at the moment is maintained the usefulness of our antibiotics that we currently have. Yeah. Hope that you want to be Optics are coming in the pipeline but it takes a long time. It costs a lot of money the key Battleground that moment is surveillance. So we look where we're looking at a bug and we say, right? Okay, we've been giving this this antibiotic to treat it resistance is Raising, right? So, let's give it this Earth antibiotic now. Yeah. Keep that going. Until another answer presents itself nanotechnology or something that made miniature robots that can go inside the robot e to kill bacteria something like that that hasn't happened yet. But you know, it could happen in a space where the film because we're using chemicals to kill bacteria. And this is nothing new to the bacteria. This is what they do if any scientists that their finds a different tack then I'm sure they'll win the Nobel Prize for it. It's a big problem and it's a big Drive within the research Community to find that answer. Sir, yes. Yeah, I can imagine well in the UK, obviously we rely so heavily on the NHS and the research organizations within and around the NHS to keep us healthy and well from problems like bacteria, but other any actions that individuals can take to help so you mentioned for example not going to your GP and demanding that you get antibiotics if you have like a cough. Yeah, I mean, that would be the main one is that yeah, that would be the main one, you know following the Declined so if you do get antibiotics that you take them as the doctor recommends. Yeah, you don't store them and just give them out to your members of family, like all my store this penicillin. I might give it to somebody else just take them yourselves as the as the doctor recommends get vaccinated. There's a big debate in the country at the moment vaccinations. Yeah. I think Wales is a slot or the UK is this loss this measles free. Yeah Status, which is mid-august 2019. Yeah. I've just lost measles free. Yeah, so in my opinion that's a very sad thing so vaccinations are very important on another note. I would say, you know, don't be afraid of getting your hands dirty in the environment as well as important that you get your kids out there and playing in the mud and stuff like that to build up their immune systems, you know? Yes, we have our own kind of antsy bacteria resistant as I've mentioned, you know, the good bacteria that's out there the bacteria don't cause us harm, you know that the back as you're developing as a youngster educates your immune system and get Ready for the big bad. Well, so don't keep your kids wrapped up in Cotton wool get that hands dirty build up their immune systems. I would say easy steps that everyone can take really but it would contribute if everyone did it. I'm sure we've contributed hugely. As I said, it's a global effort this thing and everybody has to has to do their part in trying to combat this big problem. That was really fascinating David. Thank you so much. Thanks again to David Thomas their biomedical scientist at the University Dental hospital for Wales. What a fascinating discussion. I never really knew how much work goes into keeping the mutations of bacteria at Bay and all the working surveillance and future work that can go on that dab. It mentions with nanotechnology and all that sort of stuff that that we may see in our lifetimes. Hope you caught the references to both the Zombie Land and Inner Space. I think David and I are Kindred Spirits as far as films go. And don't forget this winter. If you have a cough or a cold, please don't ask your GP or pharmacist to prescribe you antibiotics because they simply won't work and they just make the problem that much more likely if you have antibiotics at home and you've taken half a course and you thought I'll keep the rest of them. Just throw them away. Don't save them for the rest of your family only take medicine that you've been prescribed self. 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Alexander Fleming discovered penicillin in 1928. Nearly a century later, antibiotics are one of the biggest weapons in the healthcare arsenal with dozens of different types being prescribed to thousands and thousands of people across the world every day. But are we becoming over-reliant on their use and what would happen if they just stopped working? To answer this question and to see what the NHS, and Cardiff and Vale UHB specifically, is doing to combat the continual mutation of bacteria which is making them resistant to the drugs we use to treat them, we chat to Dafydd Thomas. Dafydd is a biomedical scientist who specialises in bacteria and who is based at the University Hospital of Wales and the University Dental Hospital. We talk about the science behind the prescribing decisions that healthcare staff make, what would happen if antibiotics stopped working, and how we can all take individual action to help in the fight against bacteria. I mention this video, which shows the speed at which bacteria mutate to overcome the chemicals in antibiotics and which was the inspiration for this episode when Dafydd used it as part of a presentation he gave at a conference in early 2019.

Welcome to my life. It has applied episode 280 firstly. I hope everybody had a very powerful and safety ated and saturated month of tishrei, which that's why it's called kadish V the seventh month. She also comes from the word sated like the sobota the Heart of A Sort and not just satisfied but filled up to the brim because it's a month. It's filled with holiday.Is which is why we don't say talking until the end of the month and we're now the conclusion of the month and will have a very good Givenchy our hope you didn't miss me too much. I did miss you last two weeks, of course was Yom Tov, but the amount of obviously is much more powerful than any program itself feeds us and satisfies us and nourishes us and nurtures us with citizens self living cities of sin cos Theta and XI mean Etc Simon for that. I shine it up and sookie's which of course all internalizes. In Kippur Rosh Hashanah and entire powerful month of tishri. 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So with that that's what we'll Begin by speaking about, which is where right now in the last final days of this powerful month of tishri date option pay beginning of a new decade five. Seven eight. Oh and we talked about this during the month before Rosh Hashanah as well as the last program, which we did was right before Yom Kippur. So the most obvious thing to addresses the end of tishrei this lat. Is the post holiday season the month of husband which were entering we just blessed yesterday Shabbos voracious. And of course pastures New York, which we will re reading this coming Shabbos. And this is the week of precious know. Yeah, all of it converges together as being we'll call it one word a bridge a bridge. It's a bridge between the powerful holiday energy and all levels whether it is this whether it's the renewal of Rosh Hashanah the sanctity of Yom, Kippur the joy of sulcus. The exuberance of some Christina all being channeled like a good interface in a bridge into we'll call it the regular year. Now. Remember everything regular is not really regular but it appears regular it's the regular routines the regular patterns and the goal of course is is to take the energy the new energy that we received in this month this holiday month and Infuse it and energize our regular that are regular should be irregular and the good way. Ordinary should become extraordinary the to seeing the ordinary extraordinary in the ordinary and that's what this powerful month of tishrei is about. So there's writing on the wings of tishri. And then this carrying it over. So this period were in is a bridge. The year the river had the heart attack social amethyst, which would be the equivalent of 1977 which million Sarah's night and the rabbit the not far bring as he usually did the coming days the for our coffers and some cluster then Shabbos voracious because of the a heart attack, but he spoke to us from his room the night of the simplest or ended after the holiday entity spoke with a microphone and then the customers every material Shabbos after that every Saturday night after the shop. well, if the shop is that able to speak from his room and this went on until the river came out of his room finally came one back homeless create exclusive which we celebrate and then the first troubling you test Crystal when the rabbit came back to 77 in the regular fabric, but the interesting thing that took place then sighs many other things that I noticed and this is one of my early years and working in the scissors and helping and beginning to get involved in a more serious level because the rebbe edited he asked to Those talks including the one that I delivered right a day after the heart attack, which I assume coz Theta so we have them edited today. They're all published in the end of additions to volume 20 and liquid decisions both the my myrrh and the sick of all those weeks but the interesting thing one among many was the way the Rebus spoke about the transition. So there's a custom on The Bob as was the custom as the river sites. There are many other places that might show a simple stated. They would announce by Jakob. Hello. Kodaka. And yaakov went on his way. It's a verse in the end of passes by eight say that Jakob went on his way. And this is referring to there. Now. We're going from the high holiday season on our way back home back to our routines back to our regular lives. So it's a nice expression. But if you think about it, it has a lot more to it. It has a lot more to it than just a nice line. It's about carrying over in our journey to wherever we're going that which we experience. So in this case interestingly in the vehicle had a key is actually going from hot. Back to Israel and here you could almost say we're going from Israel and the conceptual context of tissue as being a holy month going into the weekdays, but the point is still the same. It's carrying over that experience. You can say Karan where I could've built his family, which is Natasha Schlemmer complete family all the SWAT them except Benjamin were born by Lovin in her on outside of Israel. So there's a power to that and he carries that over but without going into the details of that the specific main point here is that we need to have a transition and that's the key to the biggest question of all how do you maintain that high that energy that inspiration that passion which is really a question all year round. Whenever you're passionate you get inspired you get excited we all know is easily dissipate and here's the question a question of the web address is so many every year literally including that year 1977. How do you carry it over and the way to carry it over is we don't fake it. We're not going to make believe that tissue. Is a husband and a kiss live in Tavis because the rest of the year is not too sure. It doesn't have a restriction on Yom, Kippur and asuka-san - minute says and some Costel. However, you create a bridge you realize that you carry the expression of the free they could ever that. I beside it often that we feel ourselves up. We pack our bags in this hole in this saturated month and then we unpack Fernanda pack and the pecola we unpack the baggage the luggage that we gathered into the weekdays and for that we need a Edition a bridge and interface and that year specially in 1977 social I'm christelle a bespoke by the interface not once but almost every week. So the first interface begins says in we khakhra right after Yom Kippur As we go into suitcase is already a journey from the days of all yamuna time into the days of Joy. Then there is the transition at the simonet says simply State the clitter that absorbs and contains and channels it further. Then there's the V alcohol kodaka in Shabbos Bodacious or Israel given the day after young then Shabbos Bodacious could be relations is still the end of the month of tishri, but it's Bodacious is the beginning of the year and the beginning of creation. It's a bridge between The end of the Taylor when we finished our simplest data and the beginning which we read immediately beginning a new cycle of learning of reading and learning. And then there's the bridge be continued as I encouragement. I'm sorry. Rich guy just catch me because you're still in the month of tishri. So you still under the aura of that powerful month, which is where we are. Now, then the next one is I attachment which is when we begin to say geshem because we do not want we want to make sure that the last Jews arrived in the how process in the days of the temple Euphrates River was the last Jews arrived there by Zion Catherine the ones that made allele that Rego that made the pilgrimage to Israel to Jerusalem. So all these are transitions you can say which one is it? The answer is true transitions are many looking technology whenever you see an interface is no one interface. How many interfaces are there when you put on a switch and electricity runs into your appliances. There's many many switches that are taking place the same thing in the human body because the true healthy interface is one that allows for a balanced and harmonious integration of the past. Well, Of one entity to another if the surge is too strong if the flow goes through strong it'll create a power surge that will damage the circuits if it's too slow you won't have enough energy. So you need the proper channels and and interfaces and that's really a principal and citizen General talks about say there's also has the Stepping Stones think of it like a teacher has to exactly spoon-feeding the proper way to the student as the student grows you give more and more. So as we move from a very powerful month spiritually powerful Zen Jedec month into a the mundane. Let's call it. That way. You need many transitions that helped helped pave help Pace ourselves so we can truly absorb and properly integrate the experiences and that's the key. If you try to do too fast too much. It won't work too little than you won't have the power. So that's what we have here. And that's the period we are in I'm going to be going into this. Wish I was a bit anxious. We'll be going into the end of tissue in a few days has urban and so on. The rebel continued even after the poshest voracious. He said but atius is still the creation the real way Acapulco Doc is partially area because that's outside of creation. That's when the mob will takes place this already. We see the hostility the difficulties the challenges the corruption of the world and then lock lock has yet another vehicle halkidiki Yahoo! That will call is a very marvelous Journey. So we'll be talking about it, but it's a very fascinating way of looking how we carry over. So the key thing is to not forget what has happened. but to take all the experiences and the special Inspirations that we gain gathered and gained and gleaned and now channel it in through this interface called the vehicle halkidiki the journey into our journey to wherever it is that we're going both physically spiritually psychologically emotionally and that's essentially the significance of the period in which we are right now, of course Cashman, is that ebb explains in some beautiful ways that has been goes to the Other Extreme if dish rates filled with Today's the next month has no holidays. Because that's the true test I have we really appreciate that. We really learned because as long as you're riding on the high and the holidays, we don't yet know where you are at here. We have no holidays. And now we see the real litmus test of how much we really experience it is when there's no holidays to ride on and you're bringing those holidays in and of course passionate as I just mentioned is unfortunately tragically is the destruction of the world because of The sins mullet audit shock as the world was filled with the with corruption and crime but that only to prepare the world for Noah and his family to rebuild it. Eylem how there's a new world. So it begins another vehicle halkidiki dealing with that challenges. So we're not ignoring the difficulties as long as you talking about creation of the world Embraces. They are talking about a world God created and every day is Tafe. They've made it's a good creation and a beautiful creation then of course. Of the fall when Adam and Eve eat from the Tree of knowledge, but since the month of the the Passover atius is still especially the beginning of it is about God's creation. It's an area where we see the consequences of the negative and tragic consequences of human behavior that and then we still have the hope to rebuild and recover and grow. So all this is part of the transition as we move from tissue into the regular year. The lessons are many personal lessons Collective lessons of Hope of renewal and Knowing that it's not just when you're inspired, but you can carry inspiration. If you do it properly. You can carry it throughout the whole year like exactly that unpack the the the pecola unpack the blockage the baggage that you gathered The Goods the resources that we gathered during this month of tishrei and then unpack it each in its place. So you carry that into all the months of the year because tissue as we know is the letters are atius. They she's means like a racial head like Russia Hashanah like Bodacious all the same. Ahead is not just the beginning of the year is the central nervous system is the control center of the year. So what happens in tissue, they really can influence the rest of the year, but you know, we can't live in the head the head has to carry forth into the rest of the body. The rest of the body in time is the days of the year the months and days of the year then days the hours the minutes the seconds that it all is infused and directed by the central control center by the control center of the mind of tishrei and as see this explains in the number of my Modern from the outside lab and other labs am cited the idea that from Rosh Hashanah. We get Kabbalah sale idea of accepting and embracing a cause greater than ourselves something greater than ourselves that from Russia. Hashanah is a rush for the whole year. We learned from that the head from that we derive that type of sense of purpose higher purpose for Rosh Hashanah and Yom, Kippur receive caduceus sanctity. And Holiness into the entire year and from circus we gain simple. Joy for the entire year and now is the time that transition to make sure that each of these is unpacked properly integrated internalized in our personal lives and our communities or ever we return to both physically and emotionally and conceptually, okay. Some episodes where I've spoken about this in previous years are 38 39, I'm sorry 85 135 180 for and 230 want to just mention one or two also announcements some housekeeping. Some people have pointed out to me that they listen to this not they don't view it. They listened on podcast whether they're running or exercising or driving or traveling somewhere and it's very annoying when they hear that I start referring to other episodes because the middle of exercise our middle of a journey very, The go click on those episodes. So I decided I'll start announcing the episodes at the end of the discussion, but on the other hand there is cross references because the fact is some of these topics were spoken about and I'd like to be complete and I can't I'm not going to repeat everything that I've said about this topic or other topics. So I will mention it but hopefully in a way that's not it's not intrusive or in any way this distracting with doesn't allow you to the flow of this program additionally. Lee I want to also point out that as we move along there's of course the topics that we've addressed sometimes almost completely addressed and I have no choice but I could just refer there so there will be times where I do that and I apologize if it's an inconvenience, but I think it's much more logical to do so and finally I want to say is that there's been many of you have asked and even clamored that I create that we create something in writing a text or sample type of Encyclopedia almost of Hasidic. Location to these ideas and we have a themes literally from A to Z. What we're really looking for now is sponsorships for that because it's not that it's not a small project. It's a serious project. So if anyone's interested in the sponsorship, please contact me directly and you can do so at Simon spy named Simon or Simon at meaningful live.com and I'll be happy to address it and it would be a great honor to partner with anyone who's interested in that be a great screws go serve many people very well because in writing whether it's online or A published work you can actually access everything on one in one place instead of cross-referencing just collected all together. So that's one of the projects among many other ambitious ones that you will be hearing about through the year that we are looking to do in the year tough shinpei. If you have any other suggestions or ideas, please don't hesitate to share them and we consider everything and I consider it a privilege to hear from you feedback critique comments and suggestions and anything else that goes into that. Category so thank you for that. So since it's a post Holiday Program essentially, so I'm going to cover mostly toppings that came that came in questions that came in throughout the holiday season and afterwards and much more than usual. So I will try to cover as many as we can and then we'll of course return the following weeks into the regular flow of questions that have come in some are backed up. So please bear with me I will address them all. And I'm do so as we move forward. You can do it all in one shot. So that's that's it. So don't but don't in any way give up on me and give up on the program. Your questions will be addressed. So don't hesitate to write. Divine forgiveness versus human forgiveness. So this is a question two parts. How can we be sure that other people have forgiven us as God forgives us and the second part of the question is during the high holidays. Why is there more focus on our relationship with God then our relationship with each other? So let me read it in full. Okay, the rabbi Jacobsen during Yom Kippur this year. I was struck by the following realization. We spend so much time worrying whether or not a sham will forgive us. We say extra tehilim during L. We say Slickers we fast we clap our cut the technically is the confession by video when we clap our set and Yom Kippur and we take it all very seriously, but honestly, what are we so what are we so worried about we're assured That is m is kannan on marble Slayer. That means he's kind and he's filled marvelous left abandoned Lee forgiving and has 13 attributes of mercy, and we are actually certain he will forgive our sins the all three episodes in the get us. Okay. There's that if we were not certain of this would be a broccoli vetala. So I get us a trouve actually meaning a broker wasted Brock when we say Hannah marvelous layer. So we're sure that God will certainly God will forgive us. I think we can safely say that I shall not forgive our sins and give us another chance, but we cannot say that Same about uman beings. Human beings are very sensitive and their feelings can be heard pretty easily it can now it can be very difficult to forgive. So on if they have done something seriously wrong against you nevertheless. We are told not to be exordium which means not to be cruel. But rather to forgive we are told to emulate Hashem God and we Ram Mohan compassionate and kind as well. But if we weren't instructed to do so would we really forgive it certainly can be difficult. So my question is why? Is this a little focus on fixing up the been on them the kaveri and so much focus on the Benedum than welcome, but I'm not a very means between person and person and so much focus on between person and God. Yes, organization structures to ask our acquaintances for forgiveness, but there's no official ritual to carry this out and there's little focus on it in relation to the whole vibe of Yom, Kippur even though a locker makes it pretty clear that all the true been fasting in the world will not help an issue of being out in the Cavalry exactly, right? So I'm not sure why you're saying is not a focus. It says that specifically because God can only forgive them sins that God that we did against God but not one that we do against each other. I saw a post on social media lament lamenting the fact that supposedly from people are obsessed with God on Yom Kippur and do not ensure that they are acting in a polite honest and just Manner and just manner with their fellow people. This is a travesty I think of their original such as Michele Bachmann has on Purim where we send gifts where people actually have to send a Goodwill To those that have wronged it might be it might help the situation is somewhat but seriously, what can we do to help raise awareness of been other? Mahavira to in person in person it is so crucially important and I believe it should become the new focus on Yom, Kippur. Anyway, I'd be interested to hear your take on this matter many. Thanks. Okay, let me address that very directly. So first of all, absolutely that we begin everything with us being Mortals and flawed and that's exactly why it says the whole octopus Rocco follow and go God's ways because we're learning to improve we're looking seeking to improve ourselves and I live up to a higher standard if we were just to succumb to our mortal and limited flawed human human nature, they'd be a lot of us. That would be very unpleasant. So the whole point and especially of the holiday season is as we Embrace God, we means not just embracing and being good with God as being good with we're emulating God's ways. And that is absolutely an integral component for anyone to separate and say there's between you and God between you and others. Yes, technically it comes down to that. But if you're looking Tanya chapter 32 pay the glove pay the glove of the alter, rebbe and Tanya. What does he say that Hillel said the entire Torah is about love his love. He said it in the negative don't do unto others that which you dislike being done to you. That's the whole Toyota said and everything else is commentary. So he asked the question that Must have been other men. Well, it's implied. The question doesn't ask. It's explicitly that applies to all mixes that are between person and person. What about the things that Shabbos and kosher and Cabanas and prayer and offerings was that have to do with another person was that have to do with not doing to others that you don't want done to yourself. She says because I have the basis of our love is Transcendence is going outside of yourself. So all of the tale is about the Nationals now Shake A Leg of a table that you're nefesh your spirit should be primary and your material body and your material needs should be secondary and that's all the mistress including Shabbos and casters and even been on the the mock-ups own truth is they're really integrally bound basically put it bluntly there. Someone loves God and is good with God as not good with other people. They don't love God and God is not happy. If you love me love what I love which is my creatures. So that's a series of Packer see in a serious dissonance to focus on now why people do that that To their own cultural easy way sometimes as nothing to do with godliness as to do with your own selfishness. You can have religious selfishness to that's why I said this makes a point that everything needs are very the don't just fall back on your routines and habits even religious habits. The key to everything is being a more sensitive human being so if you see someone who Yom, Kippur is very holy in every possible way, but it's not polite to other people. I don't you know, I'm not taking away from what they are, but it's not complete. Let's be honest and maybe you can question what their relationship with God is as well in that context. I want to hurt another person in the name of service because I'm getting closer to God. Come on. The whole reason of Rama V new turned away from God and we learned from that to greet the guests, which he thought was just Arabs traveling in the desert not didn't know they were angels we learned from that big De La Cruz has our him greeting guests is greater than reading the screen. As I've discussed a number of times. How did I from know that because you know and fundamentally in his Essence he knew he didn't have to think about that to ignore a stranger to ignore a person is ignoring God. So to stay with God that came to visit him and ignore them. It's an essentially an affront to God not just an affront to that. So goes hand-in-hand both of the num lock available on the market as far as forgiveness goes. Yes, it's difficult. Of course, it's not hard for God to forgive which caviar shall we say? It's hard because Moshe had to pray for it 80 days until the Hashem finally said God finally said selecting converter Co because car vehicle so to speak like we say caution could clearly see I'm stuff. Why Chris I'm supporting the sea is Kasia difficult for God but based on the laws of nature that God created it. So to speak difficult because he does not want to suspend his own laws. So for him to see that we betrayed him whether it was the building of the golden calf or in any other way forgiveness does not come easy. That's why it takes the work of true but we yes we can be assured that God will certainly forgive us as you point out. Now. We as humans have the now emulate that it may be difficult. Someone that may have really hurt you. But that's exactly why we have the whole Simmons. She'll Hinata Hilda said of Yom, Kippur him that speaks about forgiveness to obligation to to ask for forgiveness and the obligation to forgive. So I'm not sure why you say it's not a ritual. It's more than a ritual so Mitzvah. Yes, Michelle kimonos putting is a specific thing you send gifts, but here we're talking about the beginning of the year. So it's much more than just sending gifts. It's actually introspection. And accountability and the remorse that you described in the humility that you show when you approach someone who you've hurt and that is a Mitzvah that them it's lvm Kippur and that is absolutely necessary to experience a full Yom Kippur. So both things that the both parts of your question very good question. However, the fact that people don't live up to this is that their weakness, but the Taylor expects from us to become Divine forgiveness is divine. It's transcending your feelings is Yes of did that even though his brothers sold him into slavery and almost killed him instead of showing revenge and even bat an ill feelings. He told him is that you as God that led me here. He was able to transcend. So the how do you get that you get a power you get that power from being created in the Divine image and acting Divine and that's what's expected not expected little things from us were expected to rise to the occasion and the and the greatest possible way. Okay. I hope that covers it. I will refer to episodes 3684 and 279. We're more I discussed forgiveness and they're also referred to many other forgiveness is a topic we've talked about number of times here because it's all essential interested us applied forgiveness. Such a pain the powerful principle in Torah and Judaism, especially Yom Kippur and this month this past month and of course throughout the year in our relationships between each other now next question the Sleep blessing because cry on him which we did a number of times through the season the young Tavor the interior Hashanah Yom Kippur circus, of course sober his kingdom so this so the question is what exactly is happening. When the Callahan and give the Priestly blessing. And why is it that we are not allowed to look at them while they do it. They cover themselves in the talus and we're not supposed to look. So the answer briefly is through your day from kadish when they make the Priestly blessing and they hold their fingers a certain way, which is the way that Hashem gave the power kosovar who has been a slowly told Moshe to tell Alan and his children. This is how you shall bless them. This means both the words of Russian Jewish Morocco and the rest of the words. And also what how to hold their hands that was because the Shekinah flows through the hands. So what's happening is the kind of mush looking look at the Ramona. There's still some of God is actually two opinions. When we said the end. The book is kind of on the Avada theme is the broth going in the Bronx on the cranium or the I Will Bless The in that ever has in the Brokers that he gave him Kipper various years after milk and also to the bottom discussion and these two opinions, but either way is the screener that brings the blessing obviously but the kohanim have that their dish liquid dish look in the messengers that God shows he chose. Bahar it shows Aaron the high priest among the Levites themselves to be clear on him to serve and one of their serving is to be channels of the blessing in Kabbalah talks about how the five hands. I'm sorry. The five fingers on both hands is ten fingers attend Spears and when you split them in the in the traditional way that occurring dozen both hands is that I'm Shaka of three and two in both hands and that's how the screen. Rests and dwells among the Jewish people through this cannon when the screen arrest you don't look at it. There's a certain sanctity to it. It's like razors Kardashian you close your eyes like we close our eyes when we say Shema you close your eyes when something very sacred is happening because it's not about it's not it's not it's not a tourist attraction. It's not about sightseeing. It's about awe and respect and whenever you stand on respect there's a certain humility and part of that is not looking at with the skin arrests now. Because the God forbid there's anything wrong with looking anything wrong with that but it's a place where our eyes should close and not look at as that screen presents itself and flows to us channels to us through the clay hunt through the high priests through the priests. So that's the brief answer for this and there's my motives three different kinds from the top of each page Zion. I'm of the goal after you base time is one of them was in that Pacific and other modern that this this idea is discussed. You can look it up in different places in errors in error in the entry and burgers Cranium and kohanim in several Akutan from some exotic and other places. I also spoke about briefly is the blessing and in episodes 191 193. There was more why we connected to dreams which is what the congregation Community says when the and as the Quantum of blessing us at the end of the Blessed. Okay. Next question. Also following up the holidays. The rebbe is safer Tater. Why do we his the Rebus averted after waiting in line for a long time the kids that are precipitated talking about a 770 so that ever would dance some crostata with a small separate are wrapped in a white shawl. So so now the customers even then was the custom during the day after the after the simplest are after that confers a now specially today that the civitate has held by someone and people go by to kiss it so the saying after waiting in line for a long time because that is a potato please can you give Insight into it and it's background. Thanks. So briefly, let's just begin with water because I say 48 in general when we take the 7 Tera from The Arc to the reading table and Shabbos or weekdays by Monday and Thursday or Yom, Tov. You see anyone when people go over to kiss it or passes by you kiss it the reason you kiss is because you're kissing kedusha its Holiness something you love you kiss just like we danced with it and super-state we danced with it. Why do we danced with the safer data? It's not just a book for us. It's a way of life is to date has high Innovative. He may know our life and our substance. Titus crime so we kiss it like we would kiss a child that because the life specially tailored as big have been a witness to all the greatest things and has traveled with us throughout history. So in every circumstances, we called it. We hold it there in an arc. We cover it up I said before we don't look at it except when we read it. It's protected like in the Ark in the temple. So what comes our way the world in which we live we so our priorities instead of kissing things that are inappropriate altogether or even neutral things. What we kiss what we Embrace what we love what we danced with what we celebrate with is a safer tail. They say it's only a tight. It's only a scroll it's parchment, but that parchment has been Sanctified and that's why I say the potato that's possible. You don't just throw it out. God forbid. It's a whole process. You have to bury it. Why because it has condition it once the Hebrew and the holy letters were written on the parchment. It's become a safer Teta it's holy forever. So it's not just when it was written for its entire life and forever. Could you show these awesome Caterham kedusha always remains especially in a thing like a safer Tater. This is also where we stand up for it out of respect not because of the parchment was it it's carrying to us. It's caring for us the words that go the vine and godly words of the tour of the words of God. Now when it comes to the deficit for Theta which means the tailor that the Leba danced with and we know that whatever it touches even as Furniture even as cheers as table as the physical therapy tells a powerful story in the first moment race. Is going my moloch to flourish pay which is exactly 100 years ago business and time after the Libera Shabbos nostalgic. She tells that that exactly that like it says in Exodus about 80s and Kim that's it was crucial is awesome came, even if there is not visible. It still is retained by the containers tells the story as a child. He saw his father going to the room that up my - dressed up with a goblin a cup with a very moving you can really do yourself and he saw him Whispering as if he spoke to him when it was In his lifetime he says because the table the chairs the physical room are all saturated with Lucia. So I save the tailor that a rabbit dance without ever danced with especially on this most special day of the year simply State the rebels day. If you go over there is business units are associated with the physical lab should be sympathetic with the rabbit and the rabbit dance with it and the sweat and tears and joy and celebration it carries with it. Who knows how much power so we kiss it is some way to connect. It it's not just a ritualistic thing and the more obviously you think about it. The more power you can get you can actually derive power but this is let's not make this into anything magical anything mumbo-jumbo. It's simply understanding and valuing something that carries so much power in it, and we respect it and that way some kissing. It is a form of adoration and adulation and of course respect and trying to live up to what it says in the Torah, of course throughout the year. Like I said, we unpack it. It's not just a kiss it. But to bring that kiss and that connection back to entire lives that we live with a love for Thor and not just follow the rules with duty but we do it with passion and with love and with excitement than with vibrancy, okay? Next moving along we covered some in Kippur things that we covered the because km. Now we cover this is a simpler state of post simcha state of question, which also gives me the opportunity to address it from many angles. And this is already going to be a little more. Let's put it this way a little more lively perhaps and I'm show elicit all kinds of different comments, which I look forward to and that is the issue of drinking. Drinking what is what do you think has caused the unhealthy obsession with alcohol and some who stated? That's the brief brief the question and the second part of the question, which we'll talk about is how should we address drinking problems in communities and Killers clubs in sure. So you get what I'm saying? So let me read it out. I'm taking three of I don't know. I've probably over 50 60 Questions that have come in over the years on this topic. I'm taking out three because they reflect a lot of what others have written and we've also talked about it but not in this direct contacts, but it's a good thing to talk about something. Of course, we have directors straight from the ribbon has the rabbi Jacobsen. What do you think is caused unhealthy obsession with alcohol on some Crusade? I don't know. I just don't get it if we are. Actually celebrating the Toyota then why do so many people think they're getting drunk is the correct way to celebrate some cos Theta when the tailor expressly forbids getting drunk in a debased manner. It just doesn't make sense. Honestly, it seems people spend more time clutching whiskey and vodka bottles than holding a safer Tater or any other safer for that matter they ridicule you if you don't make Kiddush on mosca, it's an alcohol on and they have turned the mask into some sort of Health social to do. Shh. An object of holy object. It's ridiculous and obscene. A local menu where I live organized an initiative or everybody donates a bottle of mashka to the show to be consumed during some cos Theta imagine if they would have denoted donate its for him. That's holy books instead of alcohol. Yes actual Tire. Or Givens docket are worthy cause charity to a worthy cause them promote alcohol consumption the name of this guy seriously, this seamstress mashka business has gotten out of hand and it needs to stop some quasi talmudic quotes to encapsulate this. Sorry State of Affairs system is simple Compass instead of a true covertly. She caught him. Okay, he's basically it's a play of Words, which says you should celebrate the simplest data and give honour to tell you that he's saying what they're doing is giving honor to drunks call me sell a stock of the simplest a delayed awesome. Come here move. That's a PlayOn expression that anyone who did not see the dancing of Simcoe spacer. Sheiva through circus. They're not see joy in their lifetime. She says called miscellaneous tarkas someone who do not get drunk and simply stated did not see join their days. This is all obviously puns that he's trying to the A to this question. Hi, Vin asleep. Summer be sympathetic hardly Audubon Kiddush Hashem the hill lashem tragic that is a play on words important. It says that a person is responsible to get drunk to the point. They can't recognize the difference between blessing of Mordecai in the course of Hama. She says here the blessing is a person is responsible to get drunk on sympathetic to the point. They don't know the difference being a kid assassin sanctifying God's name and kailash EM. That's a grating consonant. God forbid. So the truth is this is not my taste. Called those but this is part of the note. I get the point is angry and upset and legitimately so to some extent so let me continue this note. One thing that struck me as I was pondering. This is that the whole reason the women were separated from the men in the base. I'm English during simply based on Shaver was to prevent frivolous behavior in a holy place during a holy time. Well, it seems that this that that was a massive failure because men are acting in words that frivolous fashion and our shows on some Crusader by imbibing with alcohol. And educating our children to think that some coasters actually about alcohol and not dead. So why don't we put a stop to it? Just as the time didn't the base of me? There's the combat the princes and Halos of their time. The frivolous behavior and their time if we don't then why is this Behavior accepted but women dancing with the third immodestly is not part of the problem is the idea that there must be if I bring him before a compass is this seriously necessary to people actually have more qivana or simcha while dancing after the mumbling. And if not, then what is the point it just prolongs the day night and shows that eating and drinking a more important than actual dancing Basilica. Enjoy it with joy if they would just do a cuff is first then everyone could participate in those Mustafa bring lady could do so without inconveniencing anyone. It would also help those men with families be finished at showed earlier to tend to their wives and children assuming they still care about them. Okay to be sure I have no issues with saying the hymen a moderate fashion are some who stated but sadly it has turned into an obsession. The tail is meant to be the kicker the primary thing but has become the tuffle the secondary second fiddle to Vices and Gullett Vice white like vodka white drink and girl is yellow which is like Scotch. I do not think it's a coincidence that I swing. It says we say the kind volume of us. Like I'm too light but not to death. Okay, nice touch anyway enough of my rant, which is probably cost me the popular vote apologies were being a party pooper, but I believe this issue must be addressed many. Thanks for your inspiring program a good year. I read it exactly as it is and and I'm happy that a person is so blunt. And I think this is a good platform for it. So let me just comment then I'll talk about the next two questions in the same family a lot of what you're right. I totally agree with mashka even in the Holy Time was taken by the greatest system. It was always a tough. It was never any once it becomes something that more primary. Obviously, it's completely unacceptable. There's also the social element has become a social thing, which is for sure. Not a tater approach. The little Moscow we take is meant to be to be a tester because it does loosen the heart. So to speak and open a person up and weakens. The Never shabam is it says in the circus? But when moderation now, this is even before the debit came into the picture then the Rubbermaid Xavier, which he didn't say once but he said numerous times that no one should drink more than four little cups. The river was repulsed when he heard that people make Kiddush on a full cup of Moscow. And that has a letter about it. And this exactly is the focus because become an end in itself. And especially we live in a world today where alcohol is becoming a problem Wilson talk about that and then other the other comments on this issue. So I agree with you in general and I also agree however that you have we also agree. I also want to make a more important comment. The reason is if I bring him before a compass is not our own creation deliver Furbling before it causes but if it's done in a rubbish away meaning in a holy way. The sacred way in a humble way. So what you writing is, yes, it's become an epidemic in many ways and it's caused a lot of problems. You don't even mention the alcoholism that it's cause people to become addicted to alcoholics with their for sure has nothing to do with Holiness. Then it becomes something just a dependency like any like any alcohol or any addictive substance? But when you have exerted from the never, I don't even know what there's more to talk about. We're talking to the stadium isn't what the rabbit says the most important thing. I'm not sure where this leniency around this. I understand some constraint is a little lighter attitude and so on but nobody comments and it's become something that is I totally agree now what to do about it. I don't think what is the right way to go with very strict discipline. I think we have to educate people first. We what Taylor says what simple instead is really all about what mashka means what that ever said about it. The more educated people are and this is one of the reasons for this program. I think that alone will have a strong impact so we have to share with If you know someone that you feel is gone over the line, why don't you share with them a few secrets of the web instead of yelling at them? It's not the way then it becomes a debate them comes Egos and pride and so on point them out Point them to Seekers. I spoke about this a number of times episodes 134 135 and one 247 and I believe I cited some of the rebels talks, but if not, I'm happy to provide talks of the debit. I would just use this as an opportunity to educate our children and of course adults as well. So that's what I want to say about this. Let's take the other two and then I'll come and some more question number two in this regard was educating consider. Shh parents and teens of the seriousness of alcohol abuse. Hi Rabbit Jacobson. I want to thank you for the important work you are doing I truly find your practical and sensible approach in answering questions. Recently, I think he wants to add a word probably recently. I witnessed a disturbing event at my grandchild's wedding my 16 year old grandson got drunk and passed out. It was very scary and upsetting I don't want to go into more details. My question is how do you convince father of child of seriousness of the harm caused by this? How do we educate Teaneck cilicia father's of seriousness of alcohol abuse in order to prevent this from happening. Again. Thank you for all your help in dealing with confusing issues of this generation. And finally for now one more drinking problems in communities and kids clubs and show their High Rapid Jacobs. My community has a drinking problem. I'm a member of a Nash Community and I am disturbed by the widespread acceptance and even encouragement of drinking. I'm referring to being as well as a shovel. I'm referring to be in as well as a shul sanctioned Kiddush club during the time of aftera where members of Shield both older and younger men go. I have a sponsored Kiddush with a devout Tara presenting the whole event as a legitimate Endeavor. This Behavior bothers me is I feel that example it sets for the bottom who witnesses Behavior as the kids club is not performed in a discreet manner. In addition. It concerns me is to the impact. This has on the families of the community which children think it is normal behavior. And that truly is a place for drinking and my opinion this comes from a drinking culture that is created a for stirred within the Chivas which then evolved into this Behavior. Am I wrong? Is this kosher quote-unquote cultural form of kids club appropriate if it helps bring people together for Advantage and positive bonding. If not, how can this be addressed? What place does alcohol have within the confines of an ash and provide a medium of bonding? Okay, well. Look this may be going uphill battle. And yes, man. Everyone's going to like these points, but let's go back to what I said from the web. To answer any question. What is right and what is wrong? We all can stay at our opinions. We may be repulsed by something and find out that's a Mitzvah to do it. You just have to learn what it's about. But that's not the case that ever made it very clear and that's all that's relevant to us. We're not the middle of the presidium when I've altered Upstream of the devastation. It doesn't mean we're not consider them of them, but they never added something and he made Xavier. I said a decree. He called it to the point. He didn't let people go on a talaga. He says one of my in yanam. You want to be connected to me? I have to follow what I suggest. He didn't like people go America Slickers and other things people why because they never made it very clear. So let's start with that because that doesn't matter what there's an explanation or explanation even if we don't understand the rebbe and we can absolutely by the way, which I'm going to talk about in a moment. That's the type of statement and that's it. So, where's this room for this new license to just drink frivolously, even if it's not frivolous that everything everything say that if you're learning You know you for bringing you can drink as many cups as you want didn't say that. So if I bring and I'm giving power that you can do it with a little mask few little cups that obviously cannot cause cause intoxication. Now there were times that ever took of the Xavier. That's the dep has a cries. That's not ours. We don't have that power to do it. So based on that all these new customers whether it's a bain Friday evening people coming to shul smelling from alcohol or is this kid is clubs with all the good intentions. Just ask yourself. What do you think that ever would say if you asked him should we do this in our shal or we're doing this inertial? You tell me what you think that I would say in middle of dominance. If a person wants to do whatever they want to do that's their personal thing but to make it also to sanctify it as it was part of that building as part of the Holy proach. You don't want to come to show God forbid your business but to turn to that as also as you said an example two children completely move not even a question. Now I said that approach to take this should be a grew their personal yell at people. I've been to shows with his accusers Club. I don't yell at people. I don't participate but you know we talked about it again. I think it's education think people are crossing the line because they're justifying again. It's it the biggest sin of all sins. I'm not going to say that either so I think people are giving themselves a license a little freedom to be loose. It's a little social and so on but in the day is that with the rebel wants of us is that acceptable now, this is even if there's no Alcohol problem, unfortunately and tragically we have seen this has caused real alcoholic problems Shalom bias issues between parents and children between husband and wife is cause breakups. I personally am aware of them. So now we're talking much more than just. Okay, like some people say analysis should get him. I'd rather have a citizen again and then again besides the shogunate so means I drinking so it's all go to get him because I did but was at least acts Edition, but here we're talking about it. ready illness Addiction Mama's helper hotel that you're addicted to an object that has substance controls you. But that is the concept of cities you control everything. You should be in control of yourself and your body and everything. And all the other problems that come from alcoholic abuse alcohol abuse and substance abuse not to mention out spills over into many other problems with alcohol is today in society, which is of course what the devil was also alluding to I'll call today is not alcohol sitting in this little shtetl above average or in vitebsk or somewhere else in the cinema for bringing. So the point are all well taken a my goal is to make people aware to bring it to the surface of the table. I'm happy to hear comments. So one has a different perspective by all means. I'm not sure how you're going to work around the lives of saidan. However, now the explanations I just gave this plenty ways to explain it. But even if that explanation we have directive is not a matter that was left up to us the rebbe gave instruction and probably offers and I probably for sure for saw all the scenarios again. Would I choose this to be the Battle of our time unnecessarily? It's an issue. And since we're adjusting this is just an issue, but still the two wrongs don't make a right just because it's not the biggest issue doesn't mean we shouldn't Talk about they could be much bigger issues. And I know very exclusive people and find people that drink sometimes drink too much and it's in good spirits and they not even carry it that still doesn't mean we can bring that up is because Ada and still doesn't mean that other people will learn from it in the wrong way. So that's what I do. That's I think enough to speak about this topic and if there are I'm sure there's going to be a follow-up on this. So please feel free to Right and comment at city supply.com. You'll see there. You can submit your comments and question by the way, you wrote that you're putting yourself on the line. You're not because there's no name and I didn't really name and I don't even have a name so may cost you the popular vote, but nobody can know who the popular who you are. So there's no loss of anything if anybody's on the line, it's me, which is perfectly fine firstly. I'm reading people's comments. Secondly. I'm presenting it as best as I understand it from the Devas point of view again. Love to hear other perspectives and other And we'll talk about it some more. I'm sure and that's that. Okay next boring holidays. So this is two final questions that are post holiday Blues issues. Holidays have become very boring and monotonous. What can I do to make them more meaningful and another question which relates to it as well in combat. The hilum is said very often it has that says home is still in town yet Cheval criminal Etc. It can often get very boring and doesn't feel very meaningful. Do you have any suggestions? So what is about holidays? I want specifically more about the hilum. So I've talked about this many times how you that's the whole point of consider this whole point of my life because it has supplied. How do you invigorate and energize and Revitalize ritualistic Behavior mechanical Judaism robotic Judaism because that's what it can become if Russia Hashanah Yom. Kippur circus is done robotically meaning just to be ait's it is quite boring and quite monotonous comes in a small seed that I said the soul of tape that what is the sole do to a body a body can be a corpse God forbid without a soul a soul is meant to energize it to give it life. So you can have a person for example has a soul but they walk around like a zombie. Come on. Let's lat God forbid a soul is that they're vibrant there alive? There's a sparkle. There's an energy. So the key is to learn Exodus and understand the neshamah of Rosh Hashanah Yom Kippur circus and I've talked about this many times to choose the right few prayers. You say it all but a few of them, were you really put your energy into it and prepare for it and look at it as an exciting experiment if you wish an exciting Venture Journey. Of taking these ideas taking these customs and rituals and understanding is deeper meaning and its spiritual relevance as psychological application and then it starts coming alive. You take the dalit minute. So we know we do not know him. We blessed every morning with a new image shaken all directions, but why? So when you hear that the four million for example correspond to 4 types of personalities, and we're joining them together in a good actress and one Union and we spread in all directions. So then it's about celebrating Unity. Same thing with Sookie just giving examples same thing with Schaefer, um, Kippur some of the stata personalize it understand the siddha. Shh, the shaman decommissioning. That's how you make things that are from boring to exciting and the same thing as an education of children. That's how you make it exciting. You make it relevant. Little and Alive exciting the same thing with tell them tell them yes tell him is hard to understand the parish. I'm Alice, but you could use it to him. If you're an English speaking person with the translation and maybe focus on a few prayer a few of them little see this and you see the explanation of the some exotic until him another my modern and the comes alive. He suddenly realized these words are very cryptic very brief, but they carry tremendous potency and tremendous messages and tremendous music even poetry and Melody. That's the way you do it but that's not going to come automatically. If you want something not boring. You have to invest if the vest energy I refer you to episodes 84 and episode 268 for more on this topic. Let's do two follow-ups. Now we'll do this is this question and the three essays follow-up to follow ups. We talked in the last two episodes 278 and 279 about are piercing and the letter from the debit. on the topic that says why we justify it, even though a person as opposed to mutilate or in any way hurt themselves because of the the temporary and short brief pain our ways. Is overshadowed by the pleasure of a person feeling dressed up properly and feeling special feeling dignified? So the question arises in reference to earrings what difference does it make of the pain is worth it. What if I say the pain of tattoos is worth also is also worth it. I don't really understand how this is an answer. Thanks so much. So two things few things. First of all tattoos is specifically forbidden in the Tater. We're not talking about a sticker by the way tattoos in the skin Edge to the skin. through specifically forbid There's nowhere forbidden to make it to have an earring. It's a matter of fact that ever brings. We know that the boys are made sharks were wore jewelry. And you have the concept of piercing a near by nevitt not for positive reasons, but still the concept is their tattoos are absolutely forbidden. So regardless whether we understand why even if a person has pledged the Torah says no because it's my circuit nanny is Pagan Behavior, but addition it's also mutilating and and forever changing your body. Your body is sacred the Divine in creating the Divine image an earring that does not create alteration that fundamentally changes a person's skin. It's a very small purse whole as I said there's a beauty part of it is beautified. So there are things you can do you're allowed to put on a crown on you you're allowed to do certain things to your body to beautify it here the issue. Is there a lot to mutilate and pain. So the number says that overshadows it so it's not just whether it you're worth it. So besides I like pain and have no problem tattooing my whole body besides the fact that the traitor tells us what it Where pain is allowed where pain is not allowed. There's also the element of complete. facing and altering a human body Now question about plastic surgery is another topic not for now and we'll talk about that. Another question came in another follow-up to last 289 to episode 279 why it was about why is the status of that? I'm not a sense of aesthetic for the most part ignored nor does not learn this much as others. There are be Jacobson regarding the learning of the more Uncommon car vehicle parts of cities. So I addressed it in that episode. I'm just following up here. Some will say that the Exodus of the middle of a board some exciting show. I'd be learned by bottom or even a nice because it is too abstract Etc. Even if someone is seen learning the momentum of the red mustache and he may be scolded and told to go learn something simpler while there are my mother I'm of other more commonly learned to obey him that are much more hard or deep. I mean, I don't understand that at all frankly because first of all that a better shot was quite deep in the physical debit. So I don't know if it's the depth I explain this that there's no excuse for not learning it just we have to prioritize and also some things were printed later. This could be the writer continues the rebel cocked in the red my ration that someone said extended very often even if it may be deeper and requires more patience and time. It should be emphasized. There's a major cock in the Deep Exodus of the Lebanon shop. Why not on my mom the Midler Deborah did some exotic there's no reason that Buckner. Be harassed by others for learning more obscure cases. So let's begin with this harassed scolded ridiculous. Someone's learning see this Taylor. Now in the Sada Shiva choices were made that IBM gave directors what to begin with my modern whether Taylor look at the time you take a look at the Toyota. There are some so Circle so we have directives. This doesn't mean that the rest of Exodus God forbid is not important. It's just you can't learn or for example shots. We don't learn all the sectors such as in you Shiva. There's certain six seven myself is that I learned now, I think it's a few less. That doesn't mean the rest of the shots is not to be done. Let's call it Theta Theta cos the same Godly Divine Theta so And harassing is ridiculous. I don't know where that comes from and yet must be manned with the guidance of the Rebellion gave us by modern that the repechage my mom certain of them are very fundamental allows entry into understanding cities. This doesn't mean that someone said it was not that it matters. Not just their style may be different as well as that they were not as accessible. They were all manuscript where the others were more spread out than the Babbage and then later Coming to America and Israel and so on. So thank you for your comments. Here's see this question. How does so let me just conclude that point. So therefore we have to learn all of us to this as I said in the last episode however prioritizing and that you should talk to my spear your love. I must be who can help guide and prioritize what you should learn what's earlier about later and so on but like anything but most commercially behalf. It's since I have learned that my lashes and it's Emmett says I can tell you the picture is only complete when you know, what all that IBM said. Some exotic style is yes more dense because especially the shipments of the summit said they're going to a lot of sources in a lot more explanation. Whereas the Deborah shop and even the remedies for that matter how much more expansive and explaining an idea but that's each lever has this style the middle of them of course is the cave assign or of Bina expansive as it gets very profound very deep in the bin and others form of the labor of the mental 11, but all that I'll beim are part of one big picture like it is with And shots Mission and Gomorrah. That's the bottom line. There's no justification. I'm going to go explain why we don't learn something. It's only technical reasons or it was not available or prioritizing. Okay. Thus it is questions like this. How does this explain the great flood? So that's the theme of this week's chapter the marble. Why did they love live so long before the flood and then the years then their years were shortened 220 as we read in this coming passion. And other elements of the flood so let's put it this way. We mentioned before the beginning of the program is partial begins mall are the chakras. It says ill until the sneha mayor Chris addict in are Tommy strategy and so on. Tom and Tom Empire in Mathematica, the end of last patch already says I know how much a chamber in the action but the rest of the world was Molly other chakras there was full of corruption and crime and I Shams or necessary to cleanse that's works. It is calls it a Mikvah 40 days. Is like the 40 cubits of Amiga 40 days and 40 nights that the rain fell but it gave them plenty ample opportunity to do chuva. So really the whole my marbles are cleansing process. The question really is God knew it's going to happen and the end the last week's chapter. It says that he regrets what he did so rash even addressed it says there was a time when he was happening. There's a time when it's at see this explains because God created the world in a way. We recreated A Beautiful World It will tell us us mind always be bottom till this Molly create a world a perfect world, but then he gave the world under the trust of the human being God's partner to make the world a did Abbott octane. a home for the divine and ultimately bring Michelle Angola and the skin should be in Canadian in the whole world. But as we learn the beginning of bustle Agony what happened was with the sin of Exodus and then the following subsequent Generations unfortunately due to free will we have that choice? Because that's what text a name is that we have choices not we're not puppets. And unfortunately, they chose the other path and the Divine became more concealed first from the Earth to the first heaven to the second Heaven till the seventh heaven. It was of Rama VIII no 10 Generations after Nia that would reverse the process but the ten generations to know your destroyed the world as the mishna says. So God understood that the world has potential to be destroyed and then it happened but it's not a dead end. First of all, you are near his family preserve because God was not interested in destroying existence. He was interested that it be done the right way. So the rabbit has a secrets that the first Generations live along because it was a gift from above. It was like giving your children to give but they're not they have an earned it so they got a gift and they have a over almost a thousand years people lived people have hundreds and hundreds of years. But since they didn't earn it, there was an internalized it could also corrupt it. That's how it is whenever you give a gift. The marble created a balance think of it like sphere decide Kalin Cesar ominous live - A shattering in order to rebuild but now it's been rebuilt in a harmonious way now that we went through that first period and in general the first twenty six generations to Matt and Tara are in that category in general the zoo number has a shocker it's casted of God. It's not through earned except the obvious. But and when you don't learn something you can easily take it for granted. And abuse it which is what happened. So the model came to cleanse and restart, press the restart button. So in New York came out with his family was to rebuild the world and now you're going to get a hundred and twenty years because you don't deserve a thousand years. That's a gift now. It has to come from your efforts. This is based on secrets in the Lebanon area and local and local contractors Volume 15 or 30 seconds. So that's how it seemed. and so basically what we want to have is a gift from above but then we want to internalize it through a very the bouquet. That's me the work from below and then combined together. That's how we transform the world and prepared for the goal. Okay, let's now do the continue with essays from 2019. So we're now in the top 70 80 essays probably. These are essays they came in right before pesach and we were you worried there were Awards and then we're now reviewing all these essays as an order that they were marked the order of the list of their marks and many of them are very close. So at the excellent essay is continued to be great as the first one is how you a magician chakra alligator shame. Which means the day after divorce sad topic liras nakamise age 41 Miss melted Israel. A dependent presenter sheet has a tan not even show that is must be some approach some psychological approach sheet of a ton. It's called and that's what this is about. So the writer writes about this issue that there's no rules it said. And one thing is for sure. There's no way to return once a person has done it. Goes on to say this, essay is going to address. a different way of looking at divorce and how to look at the most difficult moments as being actually the ones that can actually bring a couple back together again, obviously giving you a case against divorce. So not feeling that our relationship has to end. And explains a sheet of ethanol here actually eight times. What's 8 times the footnote here? Let me just look it up. Szilagyi who this per set aside a room. Okay. It's a Jewish psychological approach presented by a hundred ruse Abraham. Who runs a mockery Nathan and I guess in Israel. It's based on Tanya. And using that give tools and resources of how to deal with the most difficult elements of a relationship. So it's very original essay in the sense that it deals with a really painful issue. And brings students applied to using the tiny Exodus how to look at the greatest challenges in life. Of course. One of them is the most is when a marriage is falling apart. God forbid. Brings of ROM has said it's kagura and their children ages of the smallness of how they distorted casting Buddha. And continues on to how that it can be applied to make many marriages work better. And ultimately how to Divorce Yourself actually from negative things. That's a surprising twist here. Okay, it's a pretty long essay was a lot of additions very very recommended especially if you're dealing with any topics that are related to this. And I want to thank you for that this essay. I enjoyed it and found very valuable, especially in the work I do and I will definitely use points and some of the sources cited in this essay. The next sa Kate said Mega shrimp a La Pierre bonnard ROTC lamotte's a potato success. how do you bridge the Schism between The desired and actual that was what you want and where you are. According to Exodus Menachem Mendel are above age 29 in lot Israel slea in the inner city of Eilat the southern city of a Latin Israel. So this essay deals exactly with that how to bridge the two the things we aspire to and with the actual reality of where we are. And use this to this to do this by understanding the nature of the spirit of the Soul. Why does it that we dream? And then how do we bring that dream into reality using the principles of symptom and say their stylist and then or the world that were created another very good essay using real acidic concepts of the whole Cosmic order to explain this concept with practical applications and finally other than polygamy video Gua the inner and peaceful man the act of three Cola h44 Batali lead Israel. teacher and Thomas Theta of City by on in beta, okay So this essay is begins. One of the difficult challenges of Our Generation. I'm translated from the Hebrew. So just bear with me. Is the busyness and the pressures that we all have today technology has only increased that even though it's made things easier, but it's also put a lot of pressure and very intense. So question is how do you find inner peace in a turbulent turbulent times? She brings interesting stories and from Taylor Sheldon where the 3D with the whole story with the Debra shop. About how when they booked him saying quickly instead of being a Pity me and being there entirely idea of multitasking in a negative way where you're constantly running to do something else and based on that develops a whole principle of how we deal and find that inner peace very nice sa lot of interesting points and topics and I thank you for that as well. So there we have it the three essays which was also a way of honoring all the work that people have put in an invested in creating these essays. So my friends with this we conclude My Life episode 200. My life said the supplied episode 280. Everyone should have a good good bench to your vehicle. Polka dot k the journey should go peacefully should be an integrated one should be one that brings all the power and energy and inspiration into our daily routines and our lives and they should not be more boring or Manhattan's but they should be alive and dynamic. 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Hello. Hello hello and welcome to data futurology the podcast for data enthusiasts data scientist and upcoming data science leaders to learn the skills that you need to take your career to the next level. We do this by listening to the stories the lessons learned and the trauma of the current industry leaders. My name is Felipe Flores. I am your host. I hope you're having a wonderful week. It is a pleasure. ER to have you on the show. Thank you so much for listening. Today. We're speaking with Tony group Nur he is the general manager of analytics insights and modeling at sports bed.com. The you Tony has had a fascinating career with a blend of analytical roles and Commercial roles and also a stint as an entrepreneur for a few years. So very rich experience. He tells us about his journey his lessons and how he got to where he is. I hope you enjoyed the episode. Hi, this is bleep a today. I'm sitting down with Tony Tony. Thank you so much for making the time. I great to have you on the show. Thank you very much for having me at the beginning of the interviews. I always like to ask guests about how they got started in data and their professional background or the journey that they've had so far. What did I Journey looks like for you? My story is sort of a bit of a long-winded sort of long and winding so the story The coaster so you sort of points as to how I got here. And then essentially I think it probably starts all the way back to my last set of years. I know actually failing math school. I'm sure that my my messed very much last the fact that I've had ended up in such a sort of math so far. So I was outside of that and that's as pretty as decent at school. I studied at University. I studied management and e-commerce and this is the stage where this is before Google was even invented or Facebook didn't exist. See comments was a little bit of a redundant things to study and in management was great, but no one was going to really hire you as a manager. Straight out of school. So I took a house a prince to roll with a commercial with a consumer electronics company after a couple of years was that I was actually horrible the sales. I think that the business probably worked that out by this feature as well. So I remember getting put on to this job where we just taken this contract to be the supplier of batteries consumer batteries, your double a batteries and whatever for about 250 different supermarkets around I was living in New Zealand at the time and what they need it was they needed someone to draw 250 planograms. So planogram is spicy saying this is where you should position which the batteries in each of the shops. They wanted someone to draw 250 planograms and send them out to the mission sizes. I got to about number three or four and then realize this is ridiculous and it's quite a science behind how you build these planograms, but this was a ridiculous task. So I ended up taking my sort of limited XL knowledge and taught myself sort of Visual Basic and I automated the whole task. This is before I even knew things like data science or anything existed and I made the whole task break. In this application and it was a pretty low level application built in Excel but application nonetheless that took into account sort of the size of the planograms and the size of the area and took into account the commercial sales and they're in the region and it was it was a little bit of a model that women behind that program is no spreading a model and that was used so that we could essentially whenever we wanted to we could create a new planogram automatically and send that out to save me having to draw out 250 different planograms. That's when I started to realize that I sort of like that type of Work and and I had a skill for taking a my technical skills whenever that great but itís still taking things and automating them and understanding how numbers work and putting them together. My next role. I decided to move I got out of the sails says was as I moved to Dublin I took the day I arrived in Dublin. I got off the plane and they get famous place to get an interview. They were looking at was a property company and this is 2007. So right in the height of the Celtic tiger the Dublin economy was going crazy and I go this interview with a D company, so this is a mess of property company that owns and a number of different properties. They have no systems as to how they managed all these properties and understood how many properties they didn't even know. She how many properties actually had let alone. What was the status of all the properties and what was all the information so they wanted someone to manually put all this into Excel spreadsheets and it was an eight-week engagement. And so after I looked at that for a couple of days, I then went well this is without knowing anything really about databases or anything at the time I said, this is a job to actually create a massive database and something that The team can access and as they need so I didn't know how to do this at the time that I pitched this to them and they said yeah, that sounds fantastic. And you do that for the next 12 months. So tune an eight-week engagement in to 12 months did that and then by this by the time I got to the stage, I realized that this was probably where some of my skills they around sort of the more analytical database and type stuff. I think decided to move her to London. And so now by this time we've got past the sort of booming economy and now we're straight into the sort of GFC and its job was absolutely Literally impossible getting an interview for a job was impossible leaving finding a job that was advertised was impossible. So I what I did was I wanted to double back on my e-commerce to go. So what I did was I actually started from the couch of one of my friends houses. That was then Lisa stay there for free. I started a website that sold of all things dog bits so beards for dogs, which about the only reason I chose that was because I Found A supplier that was able to supply but I wanted to understand more about digital one understanding more about selling. Stuff online and understand that whole world but sham but obviously had an interest in in but have moved a long way since I studied it back to school and part of that. I got really quite heavily into digital marketing and pay per click advertising Etc and actually ended up writing a few sort of once again still quite basic but in Excel, but a few algorithms and tools that actually significantly enhanced my ability to run my pay-per-click campaigns and to bird on keywords as part of that. I actually got picked up by One of the search marketing agencies whenever I search marketing agencies in London, they found out some of the stuff that I was doing and they wanted me to bring that into them. I know selling the website that I created which I didn't sell for that much but I sell for a profit at least definitely wasn't enough that I was able to retire I then was worked for the agency and then by that stage I was fully sort of in this world where a was much more understanding that my skill set was more sort of in the analytical and how you bring that directly to the customer and build tools that help to serve that and ins that are useful and so after all that I ended up coming to go all the way back to New Zealand. I went to Australia in Melbourne and spray them now and a ended up getting a role as an analyst at sports bet which is once again where I'm at. Now, this was about seven or eight years ago and at the time sportsbet had about 200 employees. I know getting a call from a recruiter basically said do you want to do work on analytics in a company that does Sports and is heavily digital and I said all those three things tick the box so I took the rollers. Spit it was very much a sort of entry-level analyst role but it's time there wasn't really many analysts here that has grown over time and grow size of the business has grown substantially almost probably from about 200 people to about 800 people now and over time the needs for analytics has grown. So I've been able to grow some analytics teams and moment. I look after the data products team here in terms of the we look after all the data science and advanced analytics and sports modeling that we do has been an interesting Journey. Like I said, it wasn't probably the typical Journey into enter data and analytics and I come at it from a slightly different Becker. But I think one thing to note is that I think everyone that's sort of worked here and better analytics and myself included has a slightly different Journey as to how we got there and there's no one pass that always works. That's one of the things that I really enjoy about having these conversations that everyone has had such a unique and different parts and it definitely sets you up for I guess on one part you have to be very passionate very driven to sort of keep improving and growing your skill sets in an area that there hadn't been a part. Right in front of you that was clear. But the other side is that your Origins give you a different sort of advantage and different focusing capabilities that you bring out in Europe later career such as now running your case. Would you say that your origins or you may be your first specialization? Would you put that as marketing or e-commerce as your first one in your mind? Yeah muscles probably dissing on the technical analyst or comment from the technology side and others here to learn about. A lot more of that especially in my current role or even is I wouldn't even call it nicely from the better science side my skills come from I think I understand the coming from the more commercial PSI is that I understand that and having a sort of numerical and understanding of numbers. Let's say which is obviously not a very academic understanding to the point of failing Master my last year of school but a numerical understanding of what analytics can actually brings in customers and what can she bring to a business as if that's where my skills lie. Definitely not the far from the most Unless the world or and I'm going to tame a data scientist all you know, significantly more about data science and about doing cool things with numbers than I do. I think my ability is to package all that up and actually deliver it and give some commercial sort of Acumen to it. Very very interesting and how has that strength played in your career? What things would they have enable you to do early on and I'm going to have you seen this the benefits of having that as your strength or focus them on the main strengths. Is that mental point the One of the examples is given before about some of the stuff that I did like I kept on reiterating. They went heavily technical models or the most of what I spoke about at that stage was built some sort of an Excel or access using sort of Visual Basic what they were were applications that were built with a good commercial understanding of what they were trying to achieve. So therefore while the tools might have been primitive or the application themselves might have been relatively primitive. They were very targeted in terms of what they were trying to do and what they were able to achieve and I think that's always probably put me in a good place moving forward and Mike. Rare, and I want to think about things like especially my observation is in the whole set of data science. What is one of the challenges with data Sciences with data science as a concept or Advanced analytics oil anything like call it is there's a lot of strong practitioners that can do a lot of great work in this space. But actually I'm creating that link between this commercial thing because of the business and people that actually understand and take things directly to customers or and that link between the data science and then the actual practical application of the data science is not always apparent. When they want two things that we tried to do quite a bit of sports bet is to try get obviously our data scientist on stand and like War but also get our commercial people in our purpose is to understand that link more so they can work better without their science teams. As I think one area that I've been able to add value is that I can crack that lunch. It is a little point of uniqueness that I sort of have going and going my way definitely a very very interesting very good point of unique is what are the things that you have to help with on the two sides that you are able to connect. For the data scientist, whatever and the data people were a couple things so you need to bring to life and help them consider in their work and then same for the business in the commercial people that you're trying to bring in closer to that assigns. I think how can the data science teams understand more what's valuable? So and you do get that assigned to sound seems like quite well, but ultimately data scientist main strength creating a models. I think you need either someone within the data science team or you need someone that's able to tell them. What that is kind of models do we need or it's just it's not so much. What kind of models do you need? It's more what kind of problems do we need to you need to solve and that is a commercial question. Not a date Science question. Once you understand what kind of problems you want to solve then someone that can actually start the conversation around. Well, this is how we can you Miracle solve these problems or this is how we can mathematically do it how we can start to think about it from a modeling point of view. My job probably stops a little bit there in terms of months. We've worked out what kind of models we need to create and based on the problem. We're trying to solve essentially. It's people that a lot smarter than I am. It's their job to actually bring those things to life and to make them happen, but I'm very much focused on the Y and a little bit into the watch and then the data science team can focus a little bit more in the house. That's really good. And when you're when you're faced with a long list of essentially or potential problems, that could be solved through data science in the business. How do you start to prioritize and pick where to put the efforts of the team where to concentrate on it's a good challenge. I mean I notice the way it's full spin them shorts away and many other organizations as well that especially with data science female to the new this literally thousands of things that data science could potentially tackle and thousands of things business either wants to do better or things that the business currently doesn't do that data science would enable them to do so, we need to start putting frames around these things as to what the commercial benefit of each than they actually are ultimately everything comes down to a commercial use case in terms of how much money is going to make think. It's all spent were very focused on customer and it helps simplify a lot of so a lot of it for us is what's going to actually improve the customer experience that's sort of a barometer as to how we look into these things and how we prioritize these things but it's a challenge because with any data science model, I mean some things that you try do I just really hard and you have no idea how long some of these things going to take and sometimes you don't know you can actually be able to do them at all as I say my guys quite often if you're not making mistakes, then you actually probably not pushing the envelope partner especially if they said that most of what you do is ambitious and most of the The data scientists when they start doing it, they probably don't need to know how they're going to do it. They have to actually as they work through these things. They're going to ask you to work through a lot of these problems and work out how they can't do something. That's a cool space to be working on but it's challenging space to be working in as well. It's a challenging space to manage and to organize and to ensure that your team is continuing to deliver results. That's exactly why that's really good. Really really good actually and did you have to provide almost like any education internally to help people? Stand over see people are totally data science team to help people understand that sometimes the problems will take a long time to be solved and then sometimes they can't be fully so or it might be a partial solution. Obviously a lot of people have difficulties explaining and getting people on board the ambiguity around the process of data science and the length of time that it may take to solve something what have been your learnings on that space. I think something that we've worked on quite a lot especially in the last Size six months is around how we communicate ideas how many habits are not so much ideas, but helmet how we communicate the pieces of work that we're working on having to constantly back to stakeholders and customers. But also how we just communicate how data science works as well and delivering things like making people understand the Modern Life Cycle. So one of the things that we did which work really well for us was we actually painted out this is what the Modern Life Cycle s you look like and we presented this to a lot of people and the feedback that I Not from that was that people understood exactly that that tool that our defense help them to understand the process and understand where the difficulties learn the process a lot more and then in terms of the communicating that constantly that's that's something that has always been a challenge. I mean if you're embarking on a project that may take six months may take 12 months you're embarking on those projects you need to bypass to cut them up into bite-size chunks so that you can constantly communicating on them. I think one of the mistakes we probably made when we started doing data science, seriously it Sports It was that we took away those projects and then we saw this quite frequently was that someone would take away their sort, of course the stakeholders the start of the project get their feedback at their requirements and start building the model and then set a set of meeting six months time after they're done all this work and modeling and then that presented back to the stakeholders and the stakeholders would go. Yeah, that's not really what we are wanting and therefore see what work was sort of as debatable as to where we've got some six months worth of work something that we've tried to really address is how do you how do you put these things into bite-sized? How do you get people understanding what the progress of things are what the direction of things are? So we with the concept of product burners for models. So we'll have actually a commercial person or a subject matter expert who is outside of the data science team who can actually work directly with modeler with data scientist to help steer and but also just to help understand what progress has been made and where it's being made so that we avoid that conversation six months down the line when people say that's not exactly what we wanted. That's great this relates to to something. The you said before around bringing the people outside of the data science team getting them to understand data science and how it works and being able to work better with the team. What are the some of the steps that you've taken in that area and getting helping people get started like that I ask because there's a lot of people that are really facing that problem and wanting to increase the data literacy in their organization. What are some ways that you've tackled that problem. Yes. It's an ongoing thing that we're trying to tackle. I think my message So I went quite closely without without product management team here. For example, I think this is definitely the case for a business like sports bit, which is very digital very numerically Focus. We sell digital products essentially the product managers role over the next couple of years will change so that they have to actually know understand how they can utilize it Marcellus and if their product already sent a number of calls of that so it's not really a negotiable that these some of the commercial owners actually understand this better. And that's true of product management is true of true of other areas as well as the modeling. Becomes more and more sort of critical to what we do at the moment probably about 30 or 40 percent of our homepage of our app, which is pretty much all most valuable piece of real estate. We own is pretty much run my models. So in order to understand what we do or understand how our business runs you sort of have to understand the modeling that goes in behind it one of the key sort of areas that I talk to people about in the space Stan how the model Works necessarily how to do a model or had a creative but you do need to understand the why and the what you don't need to understand why the models being As needed and you understand the need to understand what problems being solved back to the point I was making before and like I said it that's actually not so much those questions aren't so much data science questions are actually commercial questions. So if you get people thinking like that is the model is complex as the model is into some people myself included some of the work that the data science team does is just what you can start to get down there artificial intelligence World some people that's incredibly confusing but that doesn't mean that they can't understand and comprehend the reasons will the outputs of what those models are producing and if they can understand that and they can make their decisions and that can ensure that their products are utilized in some of this emerging technology and these emerging thoughts. One of the other things that we've tried to do is try where possible to bring the models to life spent a good chunk of the last set of 12 to 18 months trying to explain to people a lot of these models through PowerPoint presentations Etc and a lot of diagrams of a lot of things but I really good example, which works really well recently. So we have a record Dyson model, which is pretty recommending events that customer men want a bit on a specific point in time and how we do that is like a lot of people do their recommendation systems is through a fundamentally a look-alike model and the look like model then once we assume which customers are similar to other customers, we then assume that whatever those customers are betting on Upon a Time as what the other customers wants to give on it at a particular point in time to explain this one of the things that we did was we got people in two sessions and they came in and we got people to put this in To a music analogy. So we got people to give ratings out of 10 on a number of different popular songs. We did this real-time with a sort of mobile survey. And then once using that information that came back from people we were then able to run a model in real time and then we're able to say okay. These are the people in the room that have the most similar music tastes to you and it was a really good example where people came up to me after those sessions and said I get it now like you can sort of made it more real and savings of I Now understand you've shown me an answer. Real world example in part to life. That was a really good example the work for us but it still remains a work in progress. And like I said, I think the next set of horizon for data science is very much around as scientists can't just be people over in the corner doing cool stuff over there really have to be integral and in the middle of what's being done business, especially a business. I supposed to do what a brilliant way to bring the example to life. I love that. It's such a great idea and it's you've been growing the team within a quickly growing. Organization there must be a lot of challenges in growing the team in structuring the team what are some of the things that you've had to overcome in that space. We fundamentally there's obviously a space of that of talent. There's a lot of businesses that are trying to ramp up their their data science capability and there are there Advanced analytics capability and there's not a huge amount of Supply out there at the stage. There's a lot of people of its relative to the amount of man the supply and demand spaces a little bit out of whack. So we need to make sure that we can Get this town because it's obviously a space where you really smart people and you need the people that are really going to remove the down the space. So we need to make sure we get the right Talent by having cool proposition for them as and cool school stuff for them to work on and I think we had that at sports but we're fortunate in terms of as I mentioned before we're fully digital business. We sell a digital products pretty much nothing that our customers can do or their happens in our business that isn't tracked in some form or in some way and data and so we're very lucky in terms of with swimming and data and and also the uses of that data or the use cases for what we can do in this space a huge and so we're very fortunate because it helps us to get Talent probably keep talents as well in terms of getting them working on school projects. It's definitely a battle and sounds of making sure that you get the right talent and then also making sure that you can keep that Talent on board because a lot of people we get as well. We generally give people a little bit more junior or not so much that but a lot of the stuff that we're trying to do spoken for especially in the Australian Market is quite ambitious and Not many businesses that are probably doing it as though there's very few sort of places that we can go to and say have you done this before and so we're getting people and we're training them up. A lot of their training just happens on the job where they just cutting their teeth on cool projects. We need to make sure that once the got those skills, then we can keep and utilize those skills. So very mindful that in terms of structures. I think that whatever supports and structures you can put around around these around data scientists bear the way I like to look at a data science team is that data science team is interesting in that it's got It's Downstream stakeholders and its Upstream stakeholders. So Downstream stakeholders Data Solutions teams with the data Engineers. The people that both Supply the data that the team's work on but also the teams that deploy the models and push them its production and then you've got the Upstream stakeholders. We've talked about quite a bit in terms of L commercial stakeholders and the people that are actually taking stuff directly to our customers which puts data science team sort of Bank smack in the middle of that process with all due respect to data scientists and I come back to the fact that You get a team of people that are fantastic at creating models data scientists aren't always as a generalization the best set of connectors or the best set of stakeholder managers sit in the middle. So team assist in the middle you need to make sure that they have those strong links out. So what kind of structures and support can you put around these teens, I mentioned the concept of product owners before that work into the to have similar sort of Concepts, although different names from our data Engineers as we also make sure that we put an ailment roles like business analysts and with our data science teams as Well, they're almost like the glue that can help these teams focus on creative and models but also can be there. We're making sure that they're worth on the right things and can have the resources and have the data have tools that they need when they need it. That's really good. So there's that mean that the structure your department would you have teams according to specialization or capability or is it based on the project work and sort of a multidisciplinary team whatever way and what way would you? Do you normally structure that department? So we don't get a buzz that the sort of actual structure of the team's much more sort of my disc 1 and set of people you actually report to but how we run every project is that we try making this cross functional as possible and we find that that works a lot better. So we've had a big push in the last 18 months 20 years on personalization. There was an area that I lit a project that I live one of the biggest challenges with their project was that you're essentially trying now create products that goes across that original. Teams across data science teams and across front of delivery teams for the time that goes onto the platform. That's not to speak about the commercial owners in the product owners. See you're trying to deliver product across the three very distinct groups of teams. That was definitely a sportsman was probably the case that a lot of organizations had never really worked together in the past. It's correct things one of our major learnings was that you can't just have those sort of hand over points across those teams and expected to all just magically especially teams that were unfamiliar with each other some more and more. We went down it's more and more we went. we shaped out sort of structure of the projects much towards project-specific cross-functional teams that incorporated those sort of three areas around engineering their science and front of the Livery then Incorporated those teams as one team within the project and that increased our throughput and increased quality of what was coming through significantly nice and tell me before you mentioned that a lot of the type of work that is being done in your team's is the kind different and in some ways much more advanced than what would be done in the industry in general and that therefore you hire people of them will learn on the job for that reason. What type of things do you look for when you're hiring. How do you determine the potential doing that interview process to see how go there is a person could do in the job one of the things I love for maybe sort of typical of my background and the story that I told around I said, I've got to where I go. I really look for people that are in business and people are real so So I'm not looking for and I probably prize that over a lot of other things around obviously, you need to have a base level technical skills that you can show and display. But ultimately I'm someone that can make something happen and looks at a problem that maybe that others might find difficult to solve. They look at that problem and go why don't know how to solve it today, but I'll work it out. That's a really cool skill to have and really cool. If you've got those people on your team. Nothing is unsolvable and that regards because you can always it can attack any problem. So real sort of stuff so I was not the kind of person that was the kind of person that doesn't need to be told what to do or how to do it necessarily they're going to try work it out for themselves and that's doesn't mean that they're on and trying to work it out themselves, but they're going to really try to look at problems from a number of different angles and work with people in order to solve it just because it may not be really really solvable and I think that plays back into sort of how I got says where I got two of my career. I mean that was that was probably my one still was I was able to I was able to look at problems and actually look at them in a different way and attack them differently and not really sort of even though I didn't have the Skills to do a lot of the stuff I did I still tried to do it anyway, and that's the kind of people that people always say before he can and this is true of any type of analysis or data scientist is the technical skills while they're very important. The technical skills aren't will set you apart because probably there's numerous other people that has just have just a stronger technical skills. But what can set you apart is what you can add on top of those technical skills how you can send that directly into actually solving problems and how you can actually apply unique solutions to difficult problems. That's right. We great one of the things that really jumped out to me about your career is that you have done technical roles or roles that are more of a technical bank that have more of a technical event and then moved to rows that have more of a commercial bent and then back to once with more technical bent and then vice versa. So you've sort of had roles interweave with one another of have different focuses. And obviously, for example, one of those changes happened in your time. I Sports bets going from Analytics to customer operations as a GM and then back to a GM of analytics and insights. So what I need to ask you about that those times where you went from a analytics roll to a commercial roll. What were some of the benefits that you gained on the commercial Roll by having had the analytical roll just before that. Yeah. So is she Point your eyes? So the role as you mentioned looking after a customer questions team, so that's our customers. Service area l phone getting steamed. So an operation where we take this across over the phone and also some of our custom operations areas like forward and some of our other responsible gambling area as well. It was a massive iron of me. So it was a role in in that sort of 20 people which starters was a was a big step and something that I got huge learnings from and secondly it was in areas that I'd never worked in before so I never worked in customer service. I've never worked on a lot of these areas. So it was a big step for the compliment. That role but in terms of what I learned it was fantastic for me. There's a what I was able to learn seeing things from a whole different side of the fence and start as I think that my analytical skills. I think if you have good broad strong analytical skills, it actually sets you up for a number of different areas. I was actually able to bring my own medical skills and step rolling while I tested every being a customer service X, but I was able to look at things from probably slightly differently and some of the people on the team that were customer service. It's but it's or I was able to work with them on a lot. Of things because it's amazing how many things of business especially a business like sports bit screwed digital. It's amazing. How many things come down to sort of numbers at the end of the day and maths that actually gave me really good grounding in terms of being able to pick some the concept stuff and being able to actually not just Concepts up but actually applies sort of different ideas and experience the areas using my analytical skills. And I say that when I said that role for about 18 months to two years and then came back and took on a another analytical role after that. I think it Definitely made me a bit much better analyst in terms of having that wives sort of commercial Browning and understanding and being able to be on the outside of the fence as well and to be able to be closer to the customer. It made me probably definitely made me a better analyst and hopefully also made me a much better leader. But by the virtue of him to have look after 200 people all sort of unique different backgrounds. So it was a tremendous learning opportunity for me. I definitely recommend it for people who might be there might be analyzed to see themselves. As analysts and then might be there in destination or what they want in their career, but I would definitely tries to open towards other sort of avenues even if those Avenues are only for a short period of time because ultimately I think there's other paths might actually make you a much stronger analyst so interesting and such a great point. So if somebody was looking at moving out of a purely analytical role to more of a business role what type of things do you recommend that they look I was fortunate in this regard so just happened and it probably wasn't so much my intention at so that happen for me. I think one thing that people can do maybe this is why it sort of happened for me. Was that even our analyst or a data scientist or whatever you call yourself? I think you've always go set see yourself as someone who is not just crunching numbers, but someone who is actually working for a much enormous a higher purpose, but a much more looking at the end result of what those numbers are actually driving and what they know to be driving. So if you're looking much more or not just for now almost it's not just about corporate giving the numbers and some recommendations to a team. That's actually trying to work out. Well, what are those numbers actually what are the decisions that are actually being made from these nuns and actually pushing through and getting much closer to the commercial teams and I will make you a stronger analyst and I think every analyst you doing that regardless of if they're trying to get a role in the commercial team or not. Well, they're trying to specify their den career. That's ultimately one now. I should be doing and by doing that I think you then put yourself in a position where you essentially are ready to it is Ocean for you to then move into some of those commercial roles and to and to apply the your analytical skills and a slightly different sort of slightly different way. Yeah, that's fantastic. And I do think that into the future we will have more people that have experiences and cases like yours where somebody would strong analytical skills in there and other kind of legal experience will people like that will go into for commercial roles and vice versa and and I would love to see those leaders come up through the ranks. Acts in very similar ways to what you have done and ideally not only in business but you know government and not-for-profit. It's something that I personally would love to see it. That's why I'm so excited that you have done that already. So it's fantastic. It's a it's a challenge like because I've talked a lot about sort of that's one side of the fence in terms of and I spoke about myself personally being much of a sort of all around the Jack of all trades master of none and that that in itself is a skill in it. Actually I think is a very very useful skill. I hope it is at least In terms of being able to try and to see things through the sort of whole process and to see much of the more the bigger picture that flip side of that is you still need and and especially the data science space as Things become more and more complicated. You need people to dedicate D conference as well. So I think we're going to get into this little bit of an economy where businesses people are either going to go down One path or the other. They're either going to go down that will round up a switch is very valuable to have all their going to go down that sort of deep deep past where they actually become very sort of narrow, sir. Of Specialists, which may be narrow, but it's a hugely valuable skill and that's got its own value as well. And I think that's where I don't want to say that and if anyone's listening on this call thinking ice to choose which one I'm going to be at it that's not how people to react to that statement. But I do think that we're getting into this world. That's where the value is around having people that are around us and then having people that can go deep and can understand things to be of the group. Obviously my my skills and said towards the deep. It was pretty much always sets Rusty or rounded but I Is that there's definitely value for both of those areas. It's true. At least in the Australian landscape Sports about is one of the companies that leading in terms of as a digital company and in the use of data and the scale as well, so it would be natural that you would see that the need for that deep specialization before a lot of other companies that are you know, trying to get to that point and I know for example people that work at Facebook and sometimes there is a team of data scientist that for over. Over a year the only work that they do is to try and improve a single model and you know and day in day out week in week out there hacking away at trying to improve a single model that is in place and seeing how they can make the accuracy of the predictions better. And that's in line with that deep specialization that you were talking about. But as at least as Australia is maturing in this space, there is at least at the moment. There's also the need for that generalist a skill set quite a lot and I can totally see. How in the future it is going to that Stark difference between the two types where will become more and more prominent? Yes, that's nice to hear about people from spending all that time on one model every night. I've had similar sort of stories about had a Netflix as well. And that how you see importance there. They recommended models are and how much people spend time. Just trying to get sort of the Instagram out of those models specimen true and tell me for yourself. What type of things are you thinking about our the moment what's capture your curiosity or what type of things are you uh, Trying to solve. What are you spending your mind share on recently. So a couple of things firstly for us in this is specific to us is global. So we Sports it is part of a larger sort of group that involves Petty power and Beth are over and Dublin in the UK also only okay, and we also have a recent set of changes to bidding laws and the u.s. We have a business called fanjul or required a business late last year called fanjul, which is wrapping up extremely quickly. The fast growing very fast growing sort of area. And so what we're trying to do and taking the lead on this list moment is around. How do we get that sort of global scale? And how do we increase our Global Talent pool? And how do we make sure that we haven't just all data science teams that are operating at our own so pace around vacuum. How do we actually realize some synergies and gain leverage from the fact that we do have that Global capability, which is easier said than done. I mean, we all have differences with data structures and Data platforms and Legacy systems. We have non complimentary time zones. And so we're sort of early stages of global and training really starting to understand why it's so difficult, but that's very much. It's very much on my mind. I think for me as well. One thing that's on my mind that sort of ticking away very much Sports bit is how do we start to get to work? We're doing what I would call sort of real I would say excuse my terminologies for this for a second, but I would say that most of our sort of model. Mona has some really cool models and that's really cool things. The most of them are what I've talked to a linear sort of machine learning models. How do we then decided to become a few more use cases that are apparent to us get started to go down the route of where we actually need an artificial intelligence to solve the problem and not just not just if then statements or more linear models. We've actually got the the machines that are actually driving the conclusions. You're not necessarily telling the machines or prescribe them sheets as much as to how to solve some of these problems. It's as that's interesting because it's probably haven't had those use cases on our radar for a while. But this time to be some some interesting use cases that come up. Yeah, that's really good. So we'll play that do you mean moving from our like supervised learning methods where you might give their input data and the answer get the model to extract the rules out of that and moving towards something like reinforcement learning where you have sort of a rewards for the algorithm and it has to work out what a good action to take on its own. This is So you just explain it better than I did then no. No, that's really good. And obviously only if you're able to share but what are some of the things that you're looking more to trying to solve through artificial intelligence that this kind of varies in terms of some of the models that we currently have. So a lot of our models are put into two categories one category is - improve the customer experience directly and most of those personalization models of which the recommended model that I spoke briefly about is one of those and I think that our recommended model is a real challenge. Challenge because little press seconds that compare it to that in the Netflix recommend a model. Where is that? They're trying to recommend the movie someone that's movies going to always old movie or TV program. It's always going to be there for the next set of three to four years. At least we're literally trying to recommend someone a horse race that literally has a five or ten minute being window at people better and all of a sudden once that race starts. It's finished incentives. It's no longer on the site anymore and we have this very very highly seasonal sort of dependency where customers may have their own. No preferences, which is obviously a very deep at specialization in terms of what sports are like spit on but what really overrides that sometimes is the seasonality. So to use an example like an international example a customer may love to bet on the NBA, but if they're coming August when there is no name be a on then they obviously not there to bet on NBA so it's been a real challenge but they'll recommend the models. I think there's a part that some more sort of artificial intelligence can play or reinforcement learning and deep learning that can actually come in to enhance some of those models. Owls and can give better recommendations directly to our customers or another major area that we focus on is oddly sort of termed a sports models. So for well Sports models are the models that create prices says what cut for immense look at the example for an NBA game. I want to be a game we have about four or five hundred different markets that customers could get on so everything from who's going to win the game all the way down to how many point six players going to give or even how many assists or players going to get and so Those are all running through models and we don't have humans that are passing up almost to all those markets. Unfortunately that that would be impossible. So we have models that do that. There is the ability to take that further to utilize artificial intelligence to improve those models even further and we have we have a product called same can multi. I'll briefly explain to you what a savior multi is and why the modeling either this is so-called dating 101 for so a multi-bit for those that aren't aware multi that is essentially where I can take two different bits. I can combine them together and the outcome of that the times those together and that consists price. So let's just say that I had two outcomes that were both 50% chance of happening times in together and for bosons happen. It's 25% chance for them to happen. It's very popular products because customer get the custom make is higher prices and a bit more excitement with their bed as well. The problem with that is that only works for events that are dependent independent of each other. So for example in the same game just Encapsulation so I couldn't say Golden State Warriors to win the game. And also Steph Curry who plays for the Golden State Warriors to support x amount of points because those have been silenced and independent from each other but we've created we've created a model that can actually priced those events and can actually press the accumulation of dependent events. And that's based at the moment on heavy sort of simulation modeling and we were the first we created this model that we really spoke to about two and a half years ago, and we're the with the first business to create this product for our customers. Snuff customers love this product and since then my shoulder competitive have followed pretty quickly. But we want to stay ahead in that game and the second are multi sort of space. So putting more and more markets in terms of things and the complexity of what we want to do and what everyone says some point of time. It's going to get complex enough that we're going to need some sort of go to a new sort of dimensional problem. And then this was artificial intelligence and then there's other things. We've got like a register or a list of things that we want to consider in terms of Of a list of that 20 or 30 items that we think that we could attack was some artificial intelligence and things and some Basics that are text analysis or machines that basic but some text analysis or some sort of image detection work or even videos tection work that can help our customers as well. And once you get into obviously image detection or video video identification, then you really need to start to get down a world where you're doing much more AI than sort of a linear linear models. That's sort of Hands up some of my thinking on this bus that's fantastic and tell me what excites you about this field. Everybody thought of that. I think it's just intrinsic in terms of I have a sort of and probably quite cheeky passion towards using numbers in order to get to an outcome, especially in what I do today with sports betting the United absorb a sound while I might have failed nests at school. I was always big on so Sports statistics and being a mess with sports fan and I went to bury here. These are sort of numbers. Side of sports was being passionate for the way you were able to break up something. That's so complex like sports and you are able to put numbers into to make sense of it through ultimately and I probably didn't think of it this way of the time but ultimately through mass and you're able to improve things so things like the Moneyball examples for those that are familiar with either Mabel movie or probably more importantly the box that Michael Lewis wrote around money for terms of the way to teams are using Sports and alerts to improve their own field the way they play the games on field and the way that I choose the teams and all those sort of advantages. I think that's fascinating how it pays and utilize numbers in order to make things happen in the real world. I just applied it to what I what I do day to day. I think there's difference do find it fascinating how you can make improvements through breaking things down into sort of numerical or mathematical Concepts. Fantastic. I've got a tough one for you, which is how has a failure or an apparent failure of the time helped you in your career further down the line one. Things I can think of is your like something I was talking about before was when we first started to do personalization as supposed to be I mention that we've started that probably about two years ago. We first created a model which was based on customer preference thought we can create a kind of model here that tells us what Sports customer likes to bet on and if we display that directly to our customers we fantastic that customers will click through on it and use it all the time and we quickly learned that wasn't the case and it took a lot of work to it looks killer Works obviously productionize that model and About we put it on our friend hands and it was a model that was running in real time and talking about something that runs offers true one-to-one personalizations customers and has to run the model in the Split Second between the customer clicking on the app and the app loading and the homepage splane to them and so really cool piece of tech that we had our Tech teams working on for a long period of time, but ultimately it did nothing for our customers. I mean the reason why after instead of interrogating into it was because of what I was talking about for that that time and since it out set seasonality is Is just as important if not more important than the customers preference. It was a massive learning for us and something that we were able to then take away that helps improve as we even further on the personalization Journey helped improve what we were doing significantly and have this sort of going to hold from paths as to how we approach the personalization of a personal point of view. Obviously, it helps me to steer that Direction having that sort of insight but it took was pretty painful sort of experience to go through all that but it goes back to my whole sort of Point around if you're not making mistakes, then you're pushing the envelope. And so fortunate enough that the business was able to sort of ride that out and state stick by us through that process and we've obviously come out the other end much better. It was a good learning for us. It was a great example of customers telling us or in this case. Probably not even telling us because they really Bunch from having this having this personalization available, but customers telling us what they actually want and therefore being able to Pivot based on that. That's her great lesson. I didn't that case. Was it about the cash? Chalmers wanting to have the choice and being able to browse themselves, or was it more about the decision ality as you mentioned. What do you think were some of the reasons behind it now? I think it's mainly the seasonality to play around and we've done the sexually and testing subsequent. We've actually tested models which pure customer preference models versus character versus models, which are pure seasonality models in terms of no account customer preference just have a cat for what's trending in a particular point of time. Obviously. This is more specific to our industry, but probably could taking things further. All Industries the seasonality only models outperform of the customer preference models and out an hour ago. It's a good learning that we've been up take away that obviously we can get both of them to mind. That's when we get the best recommendations for our customers. But we do need to take those into account often wondered with businesses like Spotify or whatever where music like how seasonal is music and buy your own sort of listening listening habits in terms of this songs that sometimes you love to hear that song and sometimes you wouldn't mind together at some and so so I wonder where a company like Spotify how they deal with us, but that seasonality which doses of the good thing in our Industries. The seasonality is very apparent but it's quite obvious. Whereas I don't know how I'll be would be something like music preferences or food preferences Etc. Okay a great example. Yeah true. Wow, that's really interesting and in the industry no industry. There's this thing called The Imposter syndrome, which is when people who say data scientists who know how much I don't know in this space. So they recognize that it's a big field that it's impossible for one person to know all of it. But sometimes by realizing how much you don't know that makes people feel almost like an imposter in the sense that they think of themselves, you know, as a proper data scientist ordered as a true data scientist, and I know that in my career, I've definitely felt that in the past. Have you seen this through your career? And what are your thoughts and perspectives on the Imposter syndrome? I mean obviously from personal. I love you, Iris Lee had a lot of the Imposter syndrome in terms of I lead teams with people that are much smaller and much they're doing what they do in the data science space than I am. But then I am so happy place that day today, but in terms of what probably concerns me, I think about data scientist is where I've seen the not have imposter syndrome and to the point making their I think not having imposter syndrome is almost it's actually a sign of lack of knowledge. So I'm a big believer that the more knowledge you accumulate about something the more you realize As you don't know what day more things there are that you realize that you don't know so generally learning curve goes the more that you know, the more reason to re-up to start to think that you don't actually have all the answers. And so I think I have seen this in examples seven people especially in the data science by someone that is the more arrogant about their skills or isn't willing to actually set that often as a sign that there's so many other things out there that they're just not across or that don't know so in some regards I would actually probably we encourage people to have imposter syndrome and encourage people to actually face into the fact that they don't know a lot of things specially and data science space because basically no one knows everything because it's such a huge emerging and complicated field where you can sort of reduce your arrogance and throw your hands up sake guys. I don't understand this and can work with people the more you will learn because that's what's important to my points before around the skills that I look for. A better scientist is very much around that ambition that self-starter and that person that can tackle problems that they don't know the key. The thing that they were they need for this learning and so another way of putting that is that a data science is key skill they actually have is need to have is the ability to learn so I don't know if that squarely answers your question, but I think maybe the flip side of your question but like I would not worry about the Imposter syndrome at all. I would almost worried the opposite. Yes. So if you have it, it's a good thing. If you don't then maybe reconsider, that's really great Tony. This has been an absolute blast. I only have one last question. For you and that is what is a takeaway or a parting thought that you would like to leave the listeners with something for them to consider as they go through their career. Okay, put me on the spot here. The was my one word wisdom. A lot of what I've said is spoken about this sort of Need for ambition. And I think anyone that's in the space. I think they should realize they're in a really really exciting and growing space. I'll sort of talks about why I still it's exciting that someone as I sort of didn't mention was that this is Because it's going to change so rapidly in the next five years. I mean even changes changes in a period shorter than that and that's exciting. It's Louis scary. But overall it's exciting. Its people need to be able to embrace that change and people to the other points. I would make they just need to be able to learn and adapt their skills through that. I mean ultimately we can solve some cold some awesome things. There's so many examples out there where businesses have been able to solve solve fascinating problems through the use of data science and solve some of society's biggest problems through the use of data science or Advanced analytics. I mean one more examples. I have a mission for sports bit, which I'm probably most proud of there's a recent model that we've created that can do a very good job of identifying people who we sent may have problem gambling or may have shown signs of problems in their gambling behaviors and habits and we can utilize that model to proactively identify issues before they become issues. Obviously, very proud of that from us. It's a great example where we were actually able to help improve Society through Use of data science is plenty of other examples that you can think of that the world around examples where flu breakouts have been able to be curtailed through the use of data science or things like the ability to handle crisis situations through this in something of about using tweets and crisis situations in order to understand information include information a lot easier and to understand where the root problems of things are. So there's some really awesome things that we can do. Do and to really sort of strong some awesome intellectual challenges at the risk of being a little bit to sort of altruistic about it and little bit so potentially optimistic the data scientists of Tomorrow are the ones that are going to actually solve some of the world's biggest problems that's called be a part of and I think that anyone that's probably listen to this call or that's trying to be a data scientist or wants to make strides in this area. That should think about bless you have their emissions being their high but they can actually change the world because was and improve the world was Skills because the ability to take that data and turn that into something meaningful and turn that into sort of progress as a bit of a superhero skill, and so you should view your skills, and that way I could not agree more that is outstanding and a fantastic note to end on Tony. Thank you so much for your time for sharing your journey your insights your wisdom. It's been an absolute blast and an absolute pleasure. Thanks so much again. Thank you so much corruption in Florida. That brings this episode to conclusion. Thank you so much for listening. Please find us on data futurology.com or on Facebook Twitter LinkedIn or Instagram as that of your Trilogy. Also go to data futurology.com forward slash podcast to find the show notes for this and any other episodes. If you liked this episode, it would mean a lot to us. If you could leave us a review wherever you listen to our podcast. I hope you enjoyed this episode and that it was helpful and valuable for you. Thanks again and you next time.

Tony Gruebner is the GM Analytics of Insights and Modelling and the Exec Sponsor of Personalisation at Sportsbet. He established a department of 40+ skilled analysts and data scientists tasked with creating innovative data products focused at improving the experience for their customers and supporting the business by providing relevant and timely information and insights that steer decision making across all levels of the business. He has served on the Executive Leadership Team from 2016. In this episode, Tony explains how he started in data and what led him to get his job at Sportsbet. Tony got a call from a recruiter asking if he wanted to do work with analytics, in a company that does sports and is heavily digital. All of those factors checked the box for Tony, and he took the entry-level analyst role. Over time, the need for analytics has grown, so he has been able to develop some analytics teams. Enjoy the show! We speak about: [01:20] How Tony got started in data [08:20] Tony’s skills come from the commercial side [11:10] Linking data science and the business [14:30] Communicating how data science works [17:00] Steps to getting others to understand data science [20:40] Getting the best talent for your team [24:00] Structuring teams and the department [28:10] Transiting from analytical roles to commercial roles  [35:30] Working on global expansion [38:10] Solving with artificial intelligence [42:30] Passionate about using numbers to reach an outcome [44:00] Modelling failures with Sportsbet  [47:50] Imposter syndrome in data science   [50:05] Data science is rapidly changing and exciting Resources: Tony’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gruebz/ Sportsbet: https://www.sportsbet.com.au Tony’s Twitter: https://twitter.com/gruebz?lang=en Quotes: “There is no one path that always works.” “There are literally thousands of things data scientists couldn’t potentially tackle in any business.” “If you’re not making mistakes, then you aren’t pushing the envelope hard enough.” “Not having imposter syndrome is a sign of lack of knowledge.” Now you can support Data Futurology on Patreon! https://www.patreon.com/datafuturology  Thank you to our sponsors:  UNSW Master of Data Science Online: studyonline.unsw.edu.au  Datasource Services: datasourceservices.com.au or email Will Howard on will@datasourceservices.com.au  Fyrebox - Make Your Own Quiz! Thank you so much for listening. Enjoy the show!

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Kabu people so glad to be here guys. I cannot believe that We've Ended We've Ended this is the end. I didn't think that they were going to be able to wrap up all the Loose Ends, which I you know, I have a few feelings about that, but at the most part I feel satisfied and I feel satisfied because you know, what Lord Blaine. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye guys. We've got some great news and gossip for you Harlot quotes, of course the Harlot of the week. Of it. All right here right now overall thoughts of this episode. I am so excited. This is damp. Definitely. Sorry. Definitely my favorite show of the entire season Todd from beginning to end. I was pulled in. All I can say is Redemption is a beautiful thing. You know, I loved it. I'm surprised that we didn't see Margaret. I wish I was kind of shocked is waiting hurt for her to like mess everything right because everything was going so smoothly. I was like a cat go smoothly for this whole entire hour right what it did but it did I'm loving all of it. I'm loving the how Factor I'm loving the crop factor. I'm loving live chat Puerto Rico Gina Connie. What's up? Hey Holland, very cool of you. Thank you for for you know doing you and yeah, so let's just jump into it. So opening scene is Lydia. Yeah, and you know live I've said this before you guys love is like a cockroach she is saying she just is always in the right place at the right time. I can't understand it. I want to have that same ability because I got these like tornado are in my life. Yeah, let's talk about her and Sheree and how Cherry left her and is joining Fanny, right and is going to be like the pimp of the house and when she was like I'm not playing she's not playing because when we saw the parade of men she brought in. Right. Go ahead. Cherry horrible. Your dad said you gotta love it. I love the Cherry found a place for herself. Right? She's always the one that's kind of discarded and second-guessed. Yeah, Lydia literally told her that her dress wouldn't fit anything but a dog. Yes, I mean, come on. She's so disrespectful, but Cherry takes it on the chin every time like have you ever seen Cherry breakdown or not be able to function? She's like, oh that's what happened but moving right along but I guess if you're born a little person you kind of develop a tough thick skin. And you know that whatever comes at you you can overcome and she has so I love this kind of appointed herself to pimp and then came through listen when I started selling flowers right condoms and do whatever she needed to survive. I was like, oh, I'm she's not messing around. No, she's all good. She's all good baby. Please land on her feet love that about her Emily and house. So, you know watching her sleep gives her his mom's ring. I was like, who is he proposing or is that just like? Hey, you're my girl. Girl, and and we're good. I wasn't quite sure made her breakfast and then locks her into the room. What did you think of that whole thing? I mean, I love the setup. I love how he continued to continued to pull her in and was able to you know, prey on her sensitive side. Emily is a pretty tough cookie, but everybody wants to be loved and validated, right? So he kind of does that for her or he gives the appearance of having done that so part of me was just like holding my breath. Like I know the other shoe is about to drop in sure. Enough, he set it all up to knock it all down. But do you think he actually really loves her or do not do you think he loves controlling the situation definitely loves controlling the situation he loves that she loves him and he's super selfish. He's clearly has horrible motives. He's a snake but the fact that he made her believe that she was loved and cared for I it it broke my heart a little bit to watch Emily get caught up in that nonsense and not see him for who he was so when she got locked in though. I knew it was only a matter of time. Come on now Emily got hurt. Self out of a dungeon tied up with a gag in her mouth. I knew she was gonna get out of that room. Listen so much. I'm going to leave it for now, but I'll just say Emily. I'm so proud of you. You finally came to your senses. Yeah, let's talk about Kate in the prints. So we see them playing around. We see them like sexing it up and then we're blame comes into the room and sits there and watches them tell them they're doing a good job and was like super creepy weird about it. What did you think of that and like, how is like I would just be like WTF what is going on right here. You sick perv old man. So he's shown himself to be who he is from day one. I was not the least bit surprised that he would come in eating bonbons and having popping a squat me. Y'all got to know my personality is such that if anyone intruded on that personal space of mind and the guy basically allowed that to happen. You can't beat them join them. I would show off you hit me I would be like, oh, this is You came here for it to be like I would just take it to the bridge just to kind of have him recoil a little which is what I thought she was gonna do. I thought she was gonna show out. Yeah, and she did it. She was like all three three days. Yeah, but you know what? I think she had a plan of her own which you know, I'm all about exactly Nancy and Lucy. So Nancy is still dwelling on Isaac's death. We see Lucy and debtors jail we both Miss Charlotte. They're both kind of like, oh, woe is me. Woe is me and Lucy reminds Nancy that you know, you can't control things that are out of your control exactly. What did you think of that scene? And what did you think of Lucy still wanting Vengeance for hell and Nancy saying no more Vengeance normal blood. Yeah. I thought that was impeccably mature of her. She's taking the high road because I don't think prior to that. She ever killed someone. So it's a different thing to say. I'll kill you and then it's a whole different ball game to actually have come. The act and have to live with that, you know right wrong or indifferent. You still killed a man. So I like that she was like listen, we ain't doing this no more. That would be she didn't say it would be your mama's way. But I kind of think it's more of a Lucien Charlotte mom kind of thing. Mary Wells kind of thing. It isn't I like that. She said the record straight in terms of how they're going to move forward. We're going to be positive about this. We've already killed people that enough already let it be what it's going to be and Lucy didn't surprise me by wanting that Vengeance. I mean it makes Sense, but I was really glad that Nancy was there to kind of talk her off that that and then when he'll approach Nancy and was basically threatening her like you were there when my brother died and she was like, well you were there when my Charlotte died. It's right and then talking about Emily and basically using our eyes upon her saying I'll see her soon and he's like no, you won't what did you think of that? And did you think that was a direct threat to her life? Oh, definitely. Are you kidding me? He's been wanting to kill her he wants to take her out because he sees her sass. At first and foremost. She's a pretty formidable opponent. If you look at it that way and the fact of the matter is he doesn't know who killed pulled the trigger for his brother. So because you were present far as I'm concerned all y'all guilty, okay you and that bag with all of them. So I didn't surprise me that he would yeah, I saw it as a direct threat. Yeah, you know, they bring it on you coming over. Yeah. Okay, me too. So then we see Lydia and Croft and here again. I have to say I don't know how I don't know where where I don't know why but this woman is in the right place at the right time and how to clear cards and like I am not mad at you Lydia, but she comes in black males Crofts says, you know what you need to back off Marcus and blame you have to cease your attack because there are certain aspects of your nature that you don't want him to know. So what you gonna do about that, he's like I surely don't know what the heck she's like you sure cause I think you do, right. He's like and she's like golden square, right? Yeah that only about that warmth of his mouth about you, but I know you don't remember no, well, I do right. So what do you want? We want you to back off and I want my house back, right? How does she do it time in and time out time in and time out at the end of the day Lydia has been groomed for this. We know enough about her backstory to know that as soon as she can. Can walk and talk and perform sexual acts her daddy put her to the task. So with that being said being manipulated by people not just men but people in general her entire life you learn quick or you fall by the wayside and she is not one to Fall by the way, so she is older so she's been around block quite a few times. So her experiences and her age lead her to this Boss Ass. Lady mentality. I just I don't even know she's such a gross. She's a grown-ass cockroach. That I know for sure Elizabeth visits Lucy and the debtors house. Yeah, she brings the food and clothes and Lucy's basically like get the hell out of here, right? I don't want anything to do with you. I think you and I should trade places and Elizabeth at that moment did not want to of course not and Lucy's like listen, I can fight Lydia better than you right like well Lydia means nothing to me. Well, this is the problem Lydia should mean something to you. Doesn't that might be your favorite. Yes, because I was like Lydia Is the Beast exact but she had no clue. No, it was such he's so enamored I won't say anymore. She's so confident in her own abilities She Came In Like A Boss Bitch herself. Like I'm sorry. Have we met under the right? So because she's of that stature in her own mind. She's like, oh, please she's of no consequence. I'm not afraid of her and what did Lucy Knight? Tell them then? You're a fool. Yeah because you should be the end. Yeah here I would because that that being said, that's true. Yeah. We see Nancy Fanny olafemi. She's coming becoming my like favorite. Yeah and Isabella and then we see that we have like nervous Nancy and you can only be nervous Nancy if you actually are having feelings for Isabella eggs. Did you see that? That's built that that's how I feel a little like, you know what she kissed you and now you're like, what are what are these feelings? I'm feeling exactly so brother has arranged for her to see her daughter. So yeah. And she wants Nancy to come with her and she dances basically like why are you fearing your brother? I'm not just grab some balls and don't fear Him stick up for it. So I got for yourself and I was like, but did you know he's a killer? Yeah, but still as a Bella is very good with begging and pleading for him to please have mercy on me. Give me half my money. I deserve it. Let me have my daughter give back your son like she's constantly like please please don't do it, but Nancy. Know that he's a killer get true enough but Nancy fears no one so it wouldn't matter if he was a killer drug dealer molester of kids right like stealer of candy from the store at the end of the day. Nancy's take is nobody scares me. Like that's not how I operate. I come from a place of empowerment. So I don't let people intimidate me whereas this chick is just like he took my toy. I don't know what to do. She's very fragile. Yeah, so then we have like a fun moment. Moment with Emily being locked in and Rosman won't let her out and she I don't know if this is say that people say here. I don't know but she moves her hand and she's like the key must be up my book the news but you guys know where I'm talking about. She says our I was like this chick right here. I needed more of her the season because she's outrageous. Yeah. She was nice. So outrageous. She was pretty dope. Okay. So now what Emily I'm going to tell you this right now. I'm proud of you girl. Yeah, glad you did your thing. And they Mama listen, I didn't expect it from you because you're a hot mess what you didn't expect Emily to get out of any sticky situation. She didn't expect her to get out without like the show like writing and this and this and this and you know as we move forward we see she did get out she got the knife and she she whittled her way out and even when family wouldn't let her in and she pushed away and we sure did. Didn't think she was going to do because she's a little bit of a pansy. She's a little bit of a crybaby in my opinion. She has been in certain instances, but I feel like when her back is against the wall, she knows the come out fighting and this man literally just locked her in a room. She was like, okay clearly. I thought he was this when he's that and these are probably the last people that want to see me based on the behavior that I've shown them in the past, but I've been good to him too. So hopefully they'll allow me to like slider and with the but I love you. I did wrong. Listen. Come on now listen, If this was the come on now episode Jean I see what you're writing. I want to know what you think Nancy feels about Charlotte and if her love was only for Margaret or do you think that it transferred over to Charlotte but moving on let's talk about Kate in the prints so Kate and the prince are getting it on Lucy loving each other and loving it up there doing like this game running around all of that and then Kate tries to talk to him about Lydia and what But how Lydia fears the blame and he's like no, I know him we grew up together. He's cool and like I'm gonna take this guy the governor's word over this bods word. You had a trust me. Did you think that she was ever going to get through to him? Yeah, I did because he genuinely cares for this woman. Like they have some kind of connection despite their titles and whatever else goes on transpires between them. They dig each other. So I think that if she Stayed at it. She would have wore him down eventually if the truth had not come to life prior to because he does listen to her dude. He does value her opinion. Yeah. Think about it. He told the prince was told by blaming to smack her around, you know, I'm saying like Dominator they like that and as soon as he tried that move she was like boy, if you don't get up off me, right? That's not how we do things around these parts. So the fact that he not only allowed her to smack him but went to her like, I'm sorry, babe. Yeah. Can I make it? Yeah, she would have definitely got to him after a while, but I'm Glad it came to a head the way dick William inherits Harriet. So we're still looking for Jack Lord. We know Lord LED some has them we know that Hal is involved and when Hal went to Harriet and lured her I was so here's the thing, you know when it's like a haunted house or you know way you can see in the background a scary movie. Yeah, and you know Like you're the only black person that's you're the first one to be killed. I was like girl you see it's a dark dungeon, right and you see he's not trying to go in and lead you to him. He's like go in there. I heard he was in that right, right and you go in and he pushes you in I was like girl, please you are too smart. You run your own house. How are you falling for this nonsense, but she did cause she's in love girl. You don't know how love makes us do crazy things. The logic goes out the window. You're just thinking if I can get the Jack by any means necessary and here's another Brethren. That was the other thing how you gon as a black man in this Society any society, but especially in this time in this age and this land go against your other. Are you serious right now? Like, how is just a he's not a good person. Okay. So how do you know your blog because right are you aware that you look a little different than he's white rice. So, how dare you and I Thinking I'm just watching this. I was just thinking like how crazy and scary would it be to be captured knowing that you had freedom eggs and knowing that you're now like in the slave trade. It looks like what that experience would be and I have to say Harriet what's her own savior? Because what she did do was she's like to her worker. She's like tell William exactly and I think that's what saved her. All right then and not just that having Lord LED sums wife. Come and say Hey, listen, I don't want to be a part of this I'm like the furniture so I'm going to come and tell you this but I don't want you to say it came from me right but you know, how about guy? Yeah and House part of the reason why Harriet and now Jack are both about to go and be bought into the slave trade you want to fix it. It's going to be here here and here at this time. Right exactly. I appreciated the information. She shared I believe that it's not motivated by any like good-heartedness. I don't care. Right. She just wants to be acknowledged like I was saying with anybody else everyone wants validation and she doesn't get it where she lives she doesn't get it in her Social Circles. So she's like, I mean, I don't necessarily want to rub shoulders with y'all Black Folk, but I do want to let you in on what's happening in the you know in this scenario, right? So as you can do whatever you like, but if you do what I think you're going to do it will make me very happy because it will hurt the people that are hurting right. I don't want my husband to be Be all caught up right. Bye. Yeah, let's talk about the magistrate and mr. Crofts. Oh, mr. Croft, we know was blackmail, but Lydia because that's what she does. That's Lydia and the magistrate doesn't know that it's actually Lydia them that blackmailed him and he's basically like we're not going for Blaney and where we're going to go and close down this Molly house right now what I thought Interesting with that is that okay? So yes, the magistrate moved on that information, but he almost didn't so he took Fredo and that guy and didn't put them in a proper cell brought them to their house and I was like, this is where we're going to keep you from now, and I was like hmm, really cuz he's done kind acts like that in the past with Mary Wells. He made sure that she didn't well that wasn't him. But still he's that kind of guy is he? Yeah, I don't have any history of him being That guy. Oh, he's to the letter when it makes sense. I think that he's a good magistrate because he doesn't just go blindly the law shows our should walk 10 paces and then her my love. It's like wait if I walk eight Paces then I can turn but if I walked in I walk off a bridge. I'm not walking 10 like I get the impression that he actually incorporates common sense into his decision making and he's at in a position where they can guide him, but he can't really tell him what to do. I mean I hear you. But I think for the time and for him to be the man of the law, it was above and beyond so I'm thinking I don't know but I think I'm thinking of season 4. It's going to look like what I think it's going to look like like what he did is impactful and even though this was like a small scene. Yeah. I think it's a big scene for the whole scheme of the series windows and these yes and such. Yes and speaking of such. Let's talk a little bit. It about our Network because I love her network AfterBuzz TV as do I can I just say I genuinely love coming here. I really do. This is the ESP and of TV talking it's because of you that were able to say that this place set you up for Success. It's an awesome vehicle to be able to speak to you directly have a conversation that involves stuff that we all love which is TV. Yeah, so thank you. Thank you. Thank you, please if you're on iTunes listening scuse me, if you're on YouTube watching us five stars five. His thumbs up all the positive stuff. We really enjoyed engaging with you and we're really grateful to have you so thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Yes, let's give a shout out to the live chat, but is it poppin in there Puerto Rico? We see you and yeah, I have no sympathy for how either he did kidnap his own people and did not realize that you know what he's black today. So stay calm all the way down all the way Gina Connie. Yes, I think he'll is so tragic. He wasn't necessarily a good person. But before Isaac, Like died. He defended Emily and was against Isaac's impulsive moves against the brothels. Yeah, but he did what he killed Charlotte. Okay, exactly and he wasn't taking the rap for it and he's not a good person all the way around. Yeah at the end of the day. I think he genuinely loved his brother because it's probably all he had to show, you know that to support him. So it makes sense that he would stand up against his brother for his well, maybe not there's no logic there. I don't care for how I was trying to like give us Definition but I just think he's a horrible human being anime girl 22. I feel like Fanny is the new and improved Margaret facts facts. Yes and Gina Connie. I hope the show won't have to because we weren't cut it short girl. We love y'all. Yeah, we got keep it moving. Keep it moving. Yes. I like the she says the magistrate is the best so far. I believe I believe so as well. I completely I like him. He's a stand-up guy. You don't think so. I think that there's a lot that we don't know about him. Well so far right I think out Up till now I really like his demeanor. We'll see. We'll see. All right. Okay, we see Lydia walking past the debtors jail. She sees Lucy and she threatened her and basically says no one can help. You craft can't help you and she's like the Bell is tolling for you and she's like it's not telling for me girl. It's time for ya. So watch it now favorite my favorite. So we see Sophia me her mom and in the garden and basically Like I want nothing to do with you. I just want your money your terrible and Isabella's like you understand that this is all are my brother and your uncle is a terrible person and she didn't believe in walked out. What did you think of that in that moment? I thought that I'll hope might be lost. So I was glad to see that that was not the end all together y'all because it really broke my heart that this woman has done so much to create a relationship with her daughter and just for John despite her brother's horrible ways and that she would end up. Losing again in the end. Like that's what it looked like was like dang she tried so hard and she's still not going to have the love of her daughter simply because of this evil human being and her husband is evil to but little does she know you know, she thinks she's in love again the love thing it blind you. You don't know you don't listen to reason so that was heartbreaking for me. I didn't want to see that. I thought it was interesting to wear Isabella tells Nancy that the kiss that she had was an expression of her deep gratitude and then to flip it and her daughter. Sophia was like Is this your latest Scandal speaking of man says right your daughter knows all about this which you know, I get I get it family. Well family sees everything there, but she hasn't been around remember how but family sees everything for real for all to see you in like moments where you think no one's looking right? There's a family member like right there people your whole thing chop it up the carrot sticks. Like I see what's going on here. What right her like lady? Let's mm. Yeah the furniture the no one pays He's attended to by she says you'll reach her by you're all up in it backs all the way point. Yeah, I just didn't think that she would be privy to that. What do we think about and giving her kid back to blame? Ya for 500 pounds? It broke my heart when she first walked in and said that she agreed to it. I thought it was a setup. I didn't think that she was really going to go for that. I mean this is her child and she's been through so much in order to secure him for lack of a better term. So I didn't see that coming. I honestly thought this may It was like a whole setup situation and maybe her and Lydia We're In Cahoots somehow to like make it. Okay. So when she did do it and then it ran off in tears were don't know funky money. I was like dang girl. That's all it took. But again, like like Lydia said to Lydia's credit with if you can do that, they will find you like wherever you go with the child not only will they find you but they will kill you. Please do not think that they won't take this baby and slit your throat, right and Lydia did include that it's because of her right? She's a big fat mouth and she's in with blanks that she would We be like I know where this girl is at. Yeah, that's not something she's willing to share ridiculous. Yeah, only ridiculous. So here's where it turns where I get like what Ray down son. Okay, so and goes to the house. We see the ants there Kate there for instance there and they're all and Isabella's there and they're basically like listen. Let me tell you a little something about the Marquis of blank, right? Heat the prince actually listens and the prince is like, oh wait what and long story short. He gets stripped of his governorship and like get out of here, right? I was like, you know, what bravo bravo again? We see the women the women coming together for their own good. It was such a whether they like each other or not exactly. What coming together because we are. Are all we have which is what I've said all season long very true Bravo to them all I love that. They were able to see past any differences and be on the same page because at the end of the day what they realized was as different as we may be of each other. We are all on the same page with how we feel and what we know about this man. Yeah, and he has to be stopped and much to Nancy's credit. I think the fact that Isabella was willing to divulge that that is a huge see That is something to share. Right? She's kept it the young girls whole life. And this girl is what like in her 20s or something. So for her to be like listen, we really need your help and I because I expected to be like, I can't really get into the details of what he did. She was like listen. This one went down. Yeah, I'm proud of it, but she divulged to the print which I thought was like necessary. Yeah, it was but at the same time up until then I didn't get the impression that it was still something that she could even articulate because it was so painful and so shameful. So the fact that she was just like I got to get my daughter back. I got to get this do dead by any means necessary. I'm just going to keep it a hundred. This is what happened bro. Listen to me and take heart and I love that. He was just like don't even trouble yourself any more time to tell me anymore. You know, we'll move forward. We'll make this happen. It was so gratifying and then it was all set up in the chairs outside. I think that is so sexy. They like put down the carpet a peep the whole like set design. I love that. It was good stuff. Yeah. So then we see William and William has the information from Lille Ebsen, and she And he basically saves Harriet. He says Jack and I was like, yeah because they were ready to fight to the death. They were ready to be like, hey, you know what? We're not going to go to America and be slaves were going to fight a rather die here in your arms then over there in America and then we open up and William is there and and I was like Yay. Yeah. I know what he was going to come to the rescue already knew as soon as they heard all that tussling outside the truck. I was like, yes William has arrived. It's going down. Yeah and the fact that they braved themselves for the worst. Worst says so much about like their tenacity and their will to make away despite all of this happening to them. They were never victims. They were never like why me. Yeah, what are we gonna do and it was like we love each other and we love our lives. So we got to figure this out. Yeah, and then we see there's so much guys. I just I'm just trying to wrap my mind around it. Okay. So we then see Elizabeth change places with Lucy and debtors jail, cause she doesn't that's right things to do. She's tried to like raise money trying to have the boys like work a little harder. And yes guys. I know that the that golden Square got rated and Fredo got arrested all of that, but I think that was the back story because we already see that he got freed and the magistrate was like basically, you know, I know that you're a good seamstress seems Seems you makes nice suits. Yeah make that your tray do that. Right? Right, but at the same time we see See that Elizabeth finally gives herself up. She finally tells William her real name and she goes into debtors jail. And what I thought was super funny was how she saw the guy with the blanket like sometimes she's like exactly that was awesome. But we see Lydia out. Excuse me. We see Lucy out and we see Lucy go and have a drink with Lydia. We already know that's a bad situation because we Earlier in the episode but she still trust her she has a drink and she's poisoned and she wakes up to a crazy situation on the right of her is Lydia on the left of her is the is Blaine and we already know that Blaine is looking to kill someone and was forcing Lydia who saw like a girl in the street and let her go because she was like struggling with the fact that she knows that this man wants to kill. Someone for no reason just to have blood on his hands and I was like, oh my God, are they going to kill Lucy as well? Right? Cuz I can't take it. Y'all can't kill everybody. Mmm. And then Lucy wakes up and Lydia has an aha moment and stabs blamed in the bag and then when he's like about to choke her out then Lucy stabs him in the back in the back. You got the stabbing. Front right say I have this like, oh exactly exactly that moment as did I as did I and realize realize oh, I see what y'all to do for season 4 because now we have our heroine and we have a villain and they're going to be partners in crime because we saw when Kate was like well I'm scared of you, right and Lucy's like but I'm not pretty much gotta love it gotta love it. Y'all I'm doing a tap dance here. Here. Yes, because that right there is what is all about. Was it Beauty it was that right? There is like okay, you know, I can take that because there were a lot of loose ends that I wasn't like, how are you going to wrap all this up? Right but this priceless priceless. That's why I love the empowerment. I love the bonding. I love that women one. Okay, if there was to be a match or a competition, we won this one Big W all the way around I mean, okay, so I'm going to say it again I said in this in this I've said it all season long at the end of the day, even if their enemies the women band together absolutely, right and Lydia, maybe not so much but what she does know is that killing just to kill for the sport of killing women is not right and whatever everything that she's gone through with her. Dad and maybe she's like nah, I'm not going out on my watch right now on my watch because you know what? She also knew that her life was in danger exactly. So she's like, let me nip this in the bud. Not only that though. Though there were at least at least three instances where Lydia was not the Lydia that we've grown to love to hate. Yeah, she had a Pang of Consciousness when she was talking to that girl Mantra flowers go about your business, whatever. She said to basically bugger off. I thought was superb like that. She literally does it and it wasn't even if it was a physical thing like she almost felt like she almost got it. She knew what she was about to do it wrong and it's sick and her two kids are that the fact that she you thought she said, Lucy up but in fact, she said Lucy up to set Blaine up. Oh Priceless. So there were times when she saw the are not even the error of her ways. I'm sure she doesn't have any regrets, but she was able to see she played chess on this one. She said was able to see two three steps ahead and said listen, I want to come out the Victor but not at anybody's expense in terms of like a death sentence guys. I loved everything about it me to everything about it. Let's go into some news and gossip. Okay, sounds good. So I have news and it's funny that That you mentioned. Well, we don't get any news and gossip, right? Thank you. I appreciate you sir. Um the guys I'm sorry the news that I found is super interesting because you were saying season for season 4 there but long enough this is what they're going to present and it seems to be the article that I kept saying repeatedly was will there be a season for yeah, like they nicely tied everything together. They literally had these Women very powerful Emily. I mean losing in Lydia cracking up and having stabbed and killed the man only to sit across each other when you never thought this was possible and basically like we're banding together to make your know we're ruling on this thing. So a lot of the question is just will they be back next season and if so, will the women continue to rain because they really did tie up all the ends that we suspected would be kind of left at least a little frayed. All the bad guys are gone. Right all the good women good bad or indifferent. Different whatever you talk their women, so they're real they're winning and they're ruling things. They're still around. So where does the storyline go? How can they make it any better? I think that's why they put the big bow on it so they can just walk away with a nice tight and listen go ahead. Hula and make that other fourth season. Stop playing stop playing with my emotions, right? You might have tied a few things up, but you can tie everything up. So go ahead keep up keep writing. We love it handle that. Yeah about it. Let's get into our Harlot quote. Of the show into Carla quotes of the show. That's the typewriter that we normally have do we not have the time? I don't know what's going on today, but it's last show. So let's keep it moving. My two quotes are one from Elizabeth and I mentioned it earlier to the fella. She says fella I'll blow you for that blanket. Yes died of laughter. We always seem to have the same ones, but there's such good writing. And then Lydia, that's the bind with angels. They always want to do the right thing when she said that to Kate and I thought that was really his prophetic prophetic. I know I'm only supposed to have one but I always have just like so many I'll just do one more. This is The Marcus of Blaine when Lucy and Lydia stabbing him front and back right and he's like you f---ing horns, right as like that sums up this whole thing the whole thing. Even on his in death. He can't utter a kind word or even begged them. Please don't kill me. He's horrific on so many levels that man Satan. Yeah. Well, that's Satan. Okay, so mine is of course at the same one. Fella a bully for that blanket. Right as she walks away that's got to be my favorite line. I thought that was ingenious. And then my other favorite is Madame fuckface, perfect, which Lydia shows up at the window don't I mean what a but dope response to Lydia because she is kind of Madame fuck basis and she thought she summed that up and just in her anger and her face all contorted. It was hilarious. I love that. Yes. Let's get into Harlot of the week. Yeah. So my heart of the week is Is definitely I'm going to say my Harlot of this season because she's been my heart of the week quite a few times. And of course, I'm going to go for Miss Lydia Quigley Lydia Lydia lovely. And the reason why it's Lydia again this week is because Lydia she made the first of all she was in the right place at the right time. Oh May the Right Moves and when push came to shove where she could have killed her Nemesis Lucy she instead banded together. Heather with her fellow Harlot and killed the bad guy. I was like Bravo. Yeah probably did a great job. I may love to hate and hate love but you did the right thing in that moment. I do I love Lydia. There's no question about it every week we go on and on because she is such an amazing and and Big Ups to the actress that plays her. Let's just be clear about that. Lydia would not be Lydia of this caliber in the actress was not an amazing. She just does an amazing job. Stop it being able to. Be alright. She's like you Lydia. She is Lydia, please no crying about it. I like that love to hate and hate to love. That's right the other but my favorite quote or one of I'm sorry. I didn't say my third one. I'm I don't fear you. I love that. She said that one right but that's my cheeks my heart of the week Lucy Lucy because I love love love that. Lucy was almost it's like everybody else was getting there there. Do you know me every week? Somebody else shined and Lucy shined always, but she always seemed to be like It's like a step behind the shine like I'm back here fighting the good fight and eventually it all come to life. And I feel like this show she definitely was scraping and scrapping to show I am a force to be reckoned with bright not sleep on me to put me in his funky jail. You can tell me that I'm you know that I have to settle a dad or that I have to be made to feel like, you know, I killed someone and I have to be tried for that. It doesn't matter what you throw at me. I guess that's my point. My sister's dead. My mama gone and this be whoa. Stop coming for me. I'm not going to wither like a little flower. Yeah, I am going to thrive like a thorny Bush and I'm about to get in that ass and I love that. I love love love production. Let's see her history before we wrap it up y'all. So we're talking a little bit about famous Ultra famous Madame hardwoods in history and one that we have here and well, I'll go with you. Your first person is who my first person is Tilly. Vine uh-huh. So that's the Australian. I don't do an Australian accent so I won't try but I think that she's pretty cool because in the 1900s, this is the same year that of the Everglades sister opened up their business in Chicago so though she was born in Australia. She became a wanted crime Lord working as both an Infamous Thief drug dealer and legal owner of most of the bordellos in Sydney just for the record during that time Australian men were not allowed to Owned brothels. So it's pretty cool that she Rose to the occasion. I think what I found so interesting about this woman as that she became one of the richest women in Australia known for buying luxury cars and jewelry. She was bawling and doing her thing way back then you gotta love it and allocated a portion of her wealth to buy off authorities, very smart, but despite being prone to violence in jail in innumerable time for prostitution drugs and even attempted murder. She also built a reputation for being charitable and I love that. She found a balance love it. I have seen a Abe. She was born in 1905 and she was destined to become a respectable geisha girl she It to the lower levels of ghee should um, but but of syphilis kind of screwed the whole thing up turning to out and about whoring SATA took up residence in the brothels of Tokyo. She was a reckless and rebellious Little Mix it says but eventually left the tray to shack up with a man called coochie. So easy de and he had no idea what kind of kinky stuff she was into and know. Knowing that she wasn't shy she went all the way for it. And she was however considered a quote-unquote nutjob with a jealous streak. So never a good combination not good when you're married to this fella so long story short she kept Basically, she was what's the woman that cut off? Her husband's penis back in the 80s. Oh, thank you. Lori was the Bobbitt of 1905. She originally did this exact same thing. No way. Yes, and she kept her handbag until her arrest a few days later, but I think being whoa, and then last but not least. We have Sally Sally Salisbury. Oh God. She began selling herself while still in her early teens You should walk the streets of 18th Century Lending selling pamphlets quote unquote are quote. Okay, and if any of the local Lads happen to have a half a crown money, she's happily lift her skirt for an hour-long shags special at 14 years of age. She entered a high-class brothel where sure clientele included Aristocats and Lord. So she went from being basically a street prostitute to a high-end prostitute and that is is why she is part of our top three guys. It's been an incredible season. I cannot believe it's over. I say this every season because harlots if you're sleeping on harlots, you are sleeping on an amazing show again. Shout out to our live chat. We're going to miss you. We're going to see you next season season for whenever they have that on Hulu but Shadow Gina Puerto Rico Puerto Rica. Hey, yeah. Yeah. Thank you Gina Q sharp all of you guys in the live chat. 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Join us for the Harlots Finale! HARLOTS AFTER SHOW: Sex, love and war. Or in Margaret Wells case, sex and war. When her brothel business gets attacked by a rival, she risks everything to protect her business. On our HARLOTS AFTER SHOW we cover all the ins and outs from Margaret’s family and company to the war breaking out over London. If you have a special guest in mind you’d like to see on the after show, let us know and we will do our best to make it happen! ABOUT THE SERIES: In this drama set in 18th century London, Samantha Morton stars as Margaret Wells, a brothel owner and mother to two daughters, Charlotte and Lucy. When Margaret's business is attacked by Lydia Quigley (Lesley Manville), a ruthless rival madam, a war breaks out over the city's most profitable commercial activity -- sex. Margaret is determined to fight back and protect her business, even if it puts everything else at risk, including her family. Creators Moira Buffini and Alison Newman also serve as executive producers.

Fellow fiends, welcome to another terrifying and delectable episode of nightmare on film Street the horror podcast with zero credibility, but all of the blood ghouls. And Gore your puny heart can handle let's give a grave Welcome to our hosts John and Kim. Hello again fiends and welcome to nightmare on film street. I'm John Kim and this week we are discussing Legends of horror. That is legendary figures. Yep you in horror movie yet, not necessarily legendary directors or any well-known people, you know, this sounds like a real bad start because Wishmaster full of legendary figures in Horror. Oh, that's so true speaking of which We will be talking about 1997's wish master and 1993's leprechaun both involve legendary figures is Jim and the leprechaun mythical creatures. I don't think they're creatures their mythical. I guess they are creatures not go monsters in horror before we get started Kim what's keeping you creepy this week. Well, it has been two weeks since we've talked to you guys. So what's keeping your creepy this fortnight. Yeah, so it's been two weeks since we've talked to you guys in between that time. We caught escape room which is in theaters now did upload a picture on exclusive episode where we did a full review on that. So if you want to hear that that's at patreon.com slash Nightmare On Film street, but what did you think about escape room John escape room, it's pretty good had some fun rooms, you know, come come come for the Escape stay for Tyler labine forget about the ending. Yeah. The ending was not the best. But definitely set themselves up nice and tidy for a sequel which will definitely be probably in the works very soon. I would think so this seems like a franchise in the making hmm. And you saw what should be though because the the escape room model sets up for some really unique and fun movies in the same way that I would say Final Destination is really well set up for sequels because it's very compartmentalized and you have kind of a it factor for what? You are looking for with Final Destination which why I brought it up is going to say I was like, you know, we're getting a reboot but with that it you're just looking for fun unique kills that really fun premonition of the beginning and that's really all you need to do. You don't need to serve up a whole bunch of character development a whole whack of plot other than just people running away from death and in the scape room. It's just interesting rooms interesting traps and seeing some characters fall victim to Those traps. Yeah, so no potential sequel. You don't even need to explain them as an escape room. You just need to have four people five people in a room. And then oh my God doors locked were in the movie now. Yeah, so I will definitely be keeping my ears down for a sequel this movie was it was okay that but the Escape rooms were really neat and they were very ornate so it'll be interesting to see where they go from here because they've already done some really cool inside outside upside down. Yeah oven room. They're waiting for like this super crazy. Z Channel Zero no end house type segment of that franchise where just gets real friggin weird. Like this is the room that has a ghost in it. You're like fuck real quick before we move on though. What's like your dream opening for a new Final Destination movie while you think about that because I'm just Blindside you with that question me. It's set 80 years in the future and space tourism is a big thing now, so everybody's it's Exactly, like the first movie except an airplane going to France. We are on a spaceship going to the moon and we blow up on the fucking Landing Pad. We hurl ourselves across the Horizon. It's like it's a gravity but it's a horror movie and we snap back and he's like we gotta get out of the space pod. Like I'm so ready for like a final destination in space type movie. It's just so good. It's so funny. You say that because I tweeted about this a few months ago. My ideal Final Destination sequel is like Pilgrim Village. Age like 1602 Church burns down like all the villagers are like on fire. Yeah, and there's a premonition and then it's like the person with a premonition is also trying to derive the villagers thinking there. Which oh, this is so good. This is brilliant. Yeah. Yeah where my second pick is a wedding because Final Destination has a whole bunch of people who don't necessarily belong together. They're not friends. You have a variety of Ages weddings and incomes and stuff and what perfect place than a wedding. You got like Aunt Millie. You have a bride. Is made you have a cousin who's like 12 we flip that on your right here destination wedding on the moon. I need I need that. I need that franchise to go into space Kim Final Destination the final frontier or later Final Destination causing the witch trials. Yeah. Yeah first destination initial destination. Is that your moon titles? You're working on over there? No, we're good. Yeah, I'm working on potential titles for yours. I thought it was yours like first destination moon. No yours because we're going back to where it all began. And of course before we move on. I want to give a big shout-out to You are most recent patreon supporters. Sarah William. Chloe and Todd. Thank you so much for your support and just keep in mind guys. I've hired you to do one job and that's paint my house to very weird dumb colors. And I don't want you hitting on my teenage daughter. Hey brush it off all of the dust in my basement. It's all perfectly placed. I want it right there a you touch that four leaf clover that I got on top of that box and I'm gonna have words with you. You just keep your nose down. It paint my house like it's a like a bunch of Lego blocks and call it a day. Get out of there. Leave the shoes alone. I don't care if you know, where am I going with this don't follow any rainbows just paint the damn house. I'm sorry to be so strict. But I've had a lot of bad luck. Thank you. Thank you. If you want to support the show ahead to patreon.com slash Nightmare On Film Street, we also Of a patreon livestream scheduled for January 26th. That is a Saturday at 2:30 p.m. That's Eastern Standard time. We said a little bit earlier this time. So those of you across the pond and the UK and wherever you're from can get a chance to listen and tune in this time. We're gonna talk glass the movie which comes out this weekend and play some trivia excited to see glass. Okay, but I mean as somebody who just re-watched. Double you excited to see glass that sounds like somebody who also just saw split again. Unbreakable is really good. I mean, I don't think anybody can anybody can argue with that unbreakable is fucking good and re-watching it. It's still fucking good split. It's okay. Yeah and glass feels like none of those so it will be interesting to see what it is. Yeah, it's I feel like it might shyamalan's conned me into seeing a superhero film and I'm really present. I'm really not okay with that. Yeah, unbreakable is a superhero as I get because it's dark and it's like brooding split is a little less dark and it's a little less brooding and it's just like but you this is sort of a horror film if you squint and and glass is not it's gonna have two hundred percent more flipped cars a hundred percent. So we'll see that's enough superhero talk. Let's talk about magical figures Legendary Legendary big first up Wishmaster from 1997. For centuries, it has remained hidden watching waiting. And now he is coming. He knows your secret hopes. He sees your private dreams and he can grant your every desire where were not read. Man, how about a million dollars, even if it kills you as you wish? Beg for your life pray for your soul, but whatever you do ready to play Don't Make A Wish careful what you wish for? So Wishmaster from 1997 directed by Robert kurtzman Wishmaster is currently sitting at a five point eight out of ten on IMDb 23 percent on Rotten Tomatoes. Whoo. Yeah, and and a strong 2.8 out of five on letterboxed. That's actually pretty high for litter box. I know it's so insane that that's double the percentage you're getting on Rotten Tomatoes. Sorry. I just noticed a new Freckle, okay. Update everybody Freckle watch 2019. I got a new one starting off strong. It's a good New Year's resolution that I gotta give you credit more freckles. No, I don't want any more freckles. Okay. Well, maybe if you squeeze real hard, you can get freckles it ear or give myself an aneurysm one of the two at the very least of your problems are over. So wish master, I don't think I'd seen this movie before which surprises the hell out of me. Yeah. This is your movie. It would have been yeah. It was just too far off my radar and too far into horror for my parents to have allowed me to watch it. I wasn't allowed to watch this when it came in. There's another one of those ones where my dad told me the entire plot because you can't see it too. Scary. Let me tell you everything I might have rented it at the cottage but that was so long ago that I had no memory of it. It feels familiar, but mainly mainly because it it feels like a Tales from the Crypt episode Really Gonna Tales from the Crypt movie. So watching it. Like I was really unfamiliar with it, but I had this weird like deja vu like I should know what this is and I know what this is, but I don't know what this is in horror cameos out the Wazoo in this movie, right so many people in this and in fun tiny security guard bouncer except Robert Englund who's like, I'm the art dealer more like, of course you are Robert. Yeah. He's in he's in a pretty good chunk of this movie is not as Ted Raimi if you're not a professor you're either. Freddy Krueger or an art dealer and sometimes if possible and evil one of all of those. Yep. Yep, pretty much. Yeah. I don't think he's evil in this he could he could have been evil had have been given enough time. He definitely looks like he wants to be he cares about his collection more than he cares about people but I mean throwing a really great party. Yeah. Oh the best parties exactly. So yeah, that's right way around through the plot of this. It's what opens really cool as my one of my favorite parts of the whole movie. It's got this like really Arabian Nights Vibe or in like a Persian Persian bath house. If you want to call it that I mean, I honestly think it's just kind of a king's Palace for a brothel. No, it's definitely like a den of inequity. I mean, hey, if you're the king you're like his wife is like at her mother-in-law's so that the palace has become the den of iniquity and the Persian Emperor weekend in Persia. We got the nacho dip nacho dip is made. Lives. Yeah, so he's got the gym at that point and obviously he's wishing wishing willy-nilly and all of his like hand crew are being turned into crazy-ass shit and the and it is like on fast forward with the special effects. I wish that scene was longer almost but it's kind of weird because we've already seen the title card. So you're expecting that to be a title card. It's a weird placement. Yeah, because we're already getting into the movie. We've seen the title. We've gotten a whole bunch of of Mythology via wall of text. Yeah. Well, it's narrated by Angus scrimm till we're ready to start and here we are in Persia and we're just doing this whole mythology thing where the Gin gets tapped trapped in the Ruby or the emerald or Ruby or Amber really whatever it is. It's a big red gem. Yeah the like his right-hand man. Like I guess that's his sorcerer. I think that's his sorcerer. Yeah, but his whole crew gets just obliterated in like Fantastical practical special effects way. Is my absolute favorite is the goopy gory? Skeleton that's running around for like oh, yeah half minutes. Yeah. I wish the Jin had like an Mo and that's okay and those creatures that we saw in the beginning where the exact same creatures from the party even though we'll talk about the party later because the party later does have some really great practical effects, but I love them like the mythological nature of what everybody turns into way back when yeah because one guy I like turns into a snake got another person who Is just like sort of sucked into a wall and Stow that that is wonderful. And you only see that wall for a split second. It's like let me see it more that weird woman was like turning into a tree thing loved it. Yeah, and and then Flash Forward in the future. Yeah, and that's when we meet Robert Englund. Who is this art dealer who's importing a very important statue with his assistant Ted Raimi who unfortunately get squashed by set statue. Oh, yeah, because the crane operator is drinking on the job, which unfortunately I didn't pay attention. Into the first time and John was like Kevin's is really important. You gotta see that he's drinking on the job. Yeah. Okay drinking on the job such a tiny detail that I was like, I really don't want to call this out. But I told they did. Well I had to ruin the movie. Yeah, you're like, oh, well, it's like when you watch a TV show and they go previously on all the important bits like oh, well, I you know how I hate is like hello. This is from Twitter centons ago. There's like, well, I know exactly how this shows playing out if there's one thing we could petition. One for in the New Year guys. It's intermissions and movies. Hey, I want to tack on to that bill just say hey. Hey, no more previously ons if you like, you know, what make them available and if you need them, you can click here to watch it. I don't want a click here to skip this I want to click here for recap. I want to I want I want us to opt into that. He kept on Demand by default. We are opted out. I don't think there's previously ons on Netflix. There are Not on every show and I find they only do it when you like left for a day or a month and come back to the season ago back on intermissions. Yeah. Well, I think they are important is as Cinemas expand to being date night event warehouses sure. They are beginning to offer more foods and beverages on their menus including in-house dining and drinking if you're drinking alcohol, you want an intermission? Okay 4p sure and not missing the movie I guess. Somebody who misses the movie a lot. I would like an intermittent. All right. I mean like there's definitely a case for him. But and that's the same reason why I don't drink in the theater because I was like, well, I'm definitely going to miss some of this film got to get that run p app. Yeah, but then you're looking on your phone and you're being a double assholes was just like squeaky shoes is about to get up and she was on her phone first. Well, I think the idea there is that you look beforehand and you're like, okay. I planned it out. Yeah because they're very vague about. All right, so I'm going to drink all the soda in the first third of the film so that By the second third of the film. Well, they say two things like when this character goes into this room with this painting you're good to go. And then while you go you click a button and you get to read what you're missing or if your theater is nice and it's like a small Repertory Theater. Like I hear the new Bev is in La they have the audio for the movie piped into the that's so smart. Yeah, it's hard to do in a Megaplex though, right? Unless you had a bathroom that's literally attached to your movie. They did that one set where it was somewhere in Niagara on the Lake. We went to see Sweeney Todd and I had to excuse myself. Well, yeah, like the Shah theater. It's one theater. They had screens in there and you could watch it's pretty good like the play while you're washing your hands and stuff. But yeah, it was pretty cool. And then I had to wait for like a break in the action so they would let me back in and I was like, oh my God, but I can watch it on the screen which I guess is okay. So, where are we in this film Squad? Yeah squashed. So after being squashed, of course the Gem Pops out some guy takes it Panza and it makes its way from person to person. Listen until the genie Jim is summoned again. And you know it sure it's like you're your basic Aladdin story you get three wishes, but the twist here is that not only do you get three wishes. It's that whoever summons the Jin after that Third Wish gives the Gin enough power to open the portal between like the hell and Earth and let like a bunch of baddies up. Yeah bad guys win. Yeah, that's what it is. So whoever summons the gin. Cannot have a third wish but he's he gives them a free wish. Well, it's yeah, right. Yeah, you want free one. You want to taste test this that's like the scene in bedazzled where he gets a burger where you gets didn't even get any fries. Yeah, but that's not a free wish because he's do you think about fruition when it counts towards his wishes and that's which I think is BS. Oh man. Yeah. So Alex, who's the or not going to refer to is Alexandra, Alexandra? You ever met anybody? Named Alexandra, maybe is the one that wakes up the Gin because she's putting it through her lasers or looking through this because she Rises like I don't know if it's necessarily because she breathes on it, but she does breathe on it. Okay. I love how we can completely twist and be very creative with all of the aspects of of the cultural Genies story that we have in North America. But Robin it that's we keep that that's how yeah out of the box sick classic Genie and they even say look know. It's not like that Robin Williams or whatever and it blew my mind that this movie came out after Aladdin. Oh, my mind was blown the whole film. I was like, I can't believe that Robin Williams is Genie exists when this movie came out don't you know, wow, I guess the the cartoons are forever. They don't they're not dated like live-action. Boom. Well, the only problem with the with Aladdin is that it is a little dated because because it's Robin Williams, he's got all these pop cultural references. So I guess that's true. Yeah, you should do a kid now I bet they don't even like what I think Got it out there like yeah Johnny Carson like as a six-year-old my gonna know any of that shit. Yeah, my biggest problem with this film is the Jinn is too evil. Okay, there's no steaks because of how good he is at convincing people to wish things every single person. He interacts with is dead in dead or has sold their soul to him in 20 seconds or less and he's super efficient and that's great or whatever but those steaks and those scenes are so low for me because I've caught on pretty quickly by the time the Phantasm guy has cancer that he's getting whatever he wants and and honestly the way he gets people to wish is such a cop-out. Okay literally is like so you wish it right and they're like, yeah, I wish it. Yeah, like haha runs away like yeah. I mean in this movie, it's not even you can't yet. It's not even you don't have to say the word wish so you just like sure I mean You can now I'd love to see this I'd I wish I could I hope to have that wouldn't this rate would like for something and he's like, yeah, so so any any want or desire right? I'm fine with that that's not wish to to my name is about to be a consent. Those people need to know that they're wishing from a genie. So two things here one, they are bound by their word. He's Bound by there's he and he know he can't help but make wishes. So I mean like there's There's something built in there. But but two things that I think really address your point 1 this is a special effects Driven movie. It is all about chat is true. Moment-to-moment. What are we gonna do and the the craziest thing and I mean, I mean it's directed by Robert kurtzman who is a special effects guy. The weakest points of this movie is anything regarding CGI because it's a practical effects spectacle. But secondly there is this really great moment, which sums up everything where Alex Goes to talk when she goes to talk to the Master of all of these cultural myths and legends. I love her by the way. She's great in this movie so sassy and yeah really fun way, but when she's later when she's actually already become the gin and he's impersonating her. He's like her to like level 12. Yes, but he's still trying to be her but he's also joining it up like yeah her performance. There is great. Yeah, he is nasty like he's playing a nasty lady. Absolutely and she does a great job with it. And that's the scene I'm talking about. About because he's explaining to her and he's really boasting. Hey, you know if this gin character came to your world ruled by reason that is essentially scientifically driven, he would be unmatched and all-powerful and not only that no one would ever believe that what he could do is possible so they could all be tricked like, oh, yeah sure wishes come true. Yeah, whatever. I wish my entire family was dead and then boom they're dead. Nobody is prepared for it whatsoever. So they all fall for it because nobody believes it's real and to them. It's just words and words don't mean anything but words are everything for him. That's a really great point. I think that works for the character. They've created. Yeah, and it works for the universal you're talking you're talking about like moving I'm talking when I got a level of yeah believability. I do not believe this Gene exists. There are minute. There's maybe a world in which there's a gym that I would believe in and he wouldn't do that. Powerful, I guess I guess it's because the the rules seem a little arbitrary because he was like, I gotta get power first and then I got a convinced that girl that woke me up to make her wishes. Yeah. So you're like, I guess the problem is that he's not powerful enough to get her to do her three wishes yet, but he is powerful enough to do whatever the fuck else he wants to anybody exactly. Like he's you want them to follow this community. He's just yeah walking and snapping down bodies immediately. I'm not seeing him build and strengthen. Think that least in terms of him matching The Willpower of other humans. He defeats every single other person but her well from the beginning I guess he's not powerful enough to collect their souls immediately. Maybe hmm. I do love that. He needs to he needs to call in all the souls that are owed to him in order to take Fair. See I don't like that rule either. He should have to wait for them to die. I think once he's powerful enough. Otherwise, he would have had to wait but he's gained enough power that he He can do that. It is interesting. It seems like he has to call those souls in to gain enough power to take another form, but he didn't need to do isn't that he does that right before he becomes Wendy, right? I don't know because he becomes the dream boat before he claims their souls because that's how he turns the mannequin girl, which I have to say though, when he calls the souls her as the mannequin in the back room wherever eyes roll back. I love that. Okay, so that's my only thing Everett so they die. Many things no, but that moments my favorite and then the opening Arabian Nights thing. What is my favorite part of this one's eyes were like, you know, oh so good. I know exactly what my favorite part of this movie was and you know what it creeped the shit out of me as a kid. I actually remember being scared by this moment and it's such a see it. Well when I first saw okay, I was too young. Okay. I'm so creeped out when my dad told me about this moment. To be honest. I think I ended up seeing this like a week later. I told me everything because it came out when I was 9 so I if if I had a seen this when I was 13, I don't think it would have affected me very much but somewhere around 10 or 11 or whatever when Jack the Ripper came out of that paint. Oh, yeah, you were saying I completely forgot about it. It's just his eyes and he's pretty silly Jack Tripper. He's I know that's why I'm watching it. Now. It kind of made me laugh that I was scared by him. But yeah, he's a painting version. So he's not actually the Jack he's not actually Jack the Ripper. He's an interpretation and artists had of Jack the Ripper. Yeah, it's a rent, which is what All of the art that comes to life is okay. That's a good point. Very good unless it's a statue itself, but I mean really all art is a mirrored image of a thought of a thing right is that what makes art interested except for the sister because the sister gets thrown in that painting and it's actually the sister and the painting and then he lights the painting on fire or he lights inside the painting on fire. Yeah. He turns the painting to it a painting on fire. I don't really love that scene. I like that. He does that because she's she's so tortured over the over the death of her face, but I Just love. So final showdown when they're they're all at Robert England's house. He's having a big party. They have a really fun scene where Robert Englund wishes for the best party ever. And so the Jinn just like goes crazy and kills a bunch of people with piano wires. Piano wider death is great. It is pretty great. And that's probably the best CGI use of the film. There's CGI. The piano wires moving around is CGI. Yeah, the the Kane Hodder explosion CGI. You know great. I got to assume that they tried to do something else in that scene first, like it just didn't work out. Yeah, because like, you know, if you want to get through here, you gotta go through me. Yeah, surely I could have been a really cool practical effect ripping through his body kind of sad, right? Exactly. Yeah, maybe just didn't work out. That's right like the dummy or something and then like it's fine. We'll just do something about mostly turn him into glass shards of glass. Yeah, and then instead of like opening a door like literally walking through him. He like morphs through the glass. It's like where there was a door. He now makes it a solid sheet of glass and then we and then he explodes after a desktop wallpaper. Tony Todd is also a gatekeeper. He is the security at the party and he is great in that he gets a really long. He has an emotional Arc X. Yeah with the gin and then he eventually gets like in Houdini's water trick. Yeah, because he he preys on his on his desire for something big. To escape this fucking life that he has like, here's the opportunity to escape Houdini did it in like under two minutes? Yeah. Yeah. That was good. It was great more than anybody else. That would fucking actually know what now, I'm going to keep coming back to that mannequin that mannequins the worst one because there's no way she's not fully conscious inside that mannequin, right? She definitely is because when he calls her her soul is in there. So yeah, she's in there. I'm trying to think there's any other cool deaths in that party sequence. Oh, there's a ton of great depths. There is the skeleton that jumps out of the guys body. There is the weird like ectoplasm e creature that comes at a Robert angles mouth. I don't even know what that was. Yeah, I don't know either no idea and filming that must have been hilarious because we've got this this goopy writhing thing on the floor. We just need you to put a tail on your mouth Robert. We just need you to a bob. What do me a favor put this down your mouth just like act really surprised by it and that's action got it. Oh perfect that's going into caves this crudite ha ha. This is nothing to have an anti But throughout the movie so this Alex and the Jinn are like psychically linked. So every time he claims the soul or kills a person via their own. Wish she gets like a mummy a dead zone flash most often when she's around police officers when her friends are dead. Why aren't they taking her in for questioning is just my first thought maybe because like her friend is dead the gym guy at the beginning of the movie and she's all like emotionally like Moon he's like, do you know her and he's like, yeah, he's working. On a job for me and then she has her like big psychic moment. She runs off and the head cop is like no Let Her Go Let Her Go. No, you need to question this mentally unstable woman. Yeah. Also she came to it crime see we all know the criminal will return to the crime scene didn't even ask her when she dropped the gem off like get some Alibi anything really I love how they just talk to her in front of the dead body too much even like bumps our way into a crimes like no, that's fuck. Yeah. Is he your friend? Did he look like this when you last saw him? I mean maybe that's just like the cold nature of a police officer. I remember a friend of mine who's like Uncle was a cop and we asked him about that like hey, so like you see like dead bodies because we're kids I guess it's something you're just like morbidly fascinated with and he's like, what did you see more more the job. You see more Donuts or more dead bodies. Yeah. Well the thing is he more he's just like you see more of he's like and I'm sure this is a common story with every police officer. Officers yeah, you just get desensitized to it. It's just like inventory at work. You don't even really think about it. He went to go see some guy who jumped out of a building and instead of thinking like wow, this is sad. He was like man my Egg McMuffins getting cold like he's just so cold to the world. Right? I think we get like that. That was all of our violent content. Yeah, but not with real people. Yes, it's true. Let's move on. Yeah, but yeah, so Alex this entire time haven't talked about at all. Yeah, cuz well she smokes a lot like Lot of luck. We could have paired this literally with Candyman because of the amount of smoking in the hospital. Oh, yeah. So her whole thing is she psychically linked to the gym. So she's basically trying to find out as much about him as she can. So she's as equally matched I guess for the final showdown. Hmm. So she spends the whole movie researching him which is fine and dandy, but then she goes to this final party where she knows she's going to meet the gym because you only have one wish left her sisters there the Jin knows that's her weakness. She knows that's her weakness and that he's going to exploit it. Yeah, so she goes to meet him and she has no fucking plan. Literally the final moment when she does her thing to it. Only just occurs to her the yeah, and her sister is literally on fire beside her. I just like bitch. Why didn't you stay a lot some time to formulate a plan first, even on the drive over you could have thought about your plan. Now, it's dead. You're too busy going like hmm. I wonder how I'm going to get the girls to win the next basketball - why does he teach basketball? I think we're just supposed to see that. She's like a caring person who gives back to the community. Immunity it's honestly because her life is so small this poor character fortunately. Yeah, she's but I mean, I guess they kind of fix it at the end because she has that little romantic moment where she's kind of like happy and aware of her situation, I guess and how much were sick things could have been so makes a little Bolder but she's appraiser or like a gemologist. I'm not sure her official title. That's the word they used in the movie lots of teaches. I guess it's community. Basketball because she can't be a teacher. I don't think they allow High School teachers to just coach basketball and nothing else. Yeah, but she also consults with that other teacher. So you assume she's part of Faculty. Wait, you mean Wendy? Hmm? Well she seeks her out because Robert Englund is character recommends her go talk to this woman. They could have just made her teacher, but I guess then why would she have the gemstone? Yeah, that's really had. She's just got to get the stone and pass it. She could she could be the person in the department. Of a university who studies ancient gem Department. I guess it's just kind of sad she lives with her sister and then when she's she's got to protect her sister, but so when she's obsessed about the Jinn and she's chain-smoking in her kitchen and reading her sisters like hey, I left early to give you the car and then she was like what Ford and it's so she could go to basketball the teach those kids and in that scene. You're just like, oh I bet you there's like an empty can package of cookie dough like in the garbage. Can under the sink or like she ate a whole case of Pringles or you know, something sad like that. Well, I think the smoking is the the externalization of guilt. Right? Like she her entire family died in a fire. She only had an opportunity to save her sister not her parents. So she constantly takes on that weight said she feels responsible for their death and I think smoking and breathing fire. This is her little representation. Yeah and just saying like I'm responsible micro suicides. Yeah, exactly. Just bring yourself down. It's fun. How much smoking is a story device in films in the 90s? Because nowadays people don't really smoke in film because it's not something that we do as much socially. Yeah. So if the cancer Gene might have been the first one in a long time, but if a if a character is smoking in a movie path like 1992, it isn't an intentional decision and it relates to that characters anxieties or depression or negative view towards life. Yeah. So what does she do? Wish what is her big? Wish the big wish is that so in the beginning of the movie they talked about how when she's doing the research for the incident. They focus more on the guy drinking on the job who was responsible for the death than the actual statue. I need to know more about what this statue is and where it's from and what it does. And so that's them laying the groundwork for her having all of this back story on what happened during that event so she could say I wish Michael tear and he wasn't drinking on the job on Thursday because this movie takes place over. Two and a half day and the jinns like Maja and then he realizes what he's done which undoes everything because if that guy's not drinking on the job that statute doesn't get dropped. The stone doesn't break out that guy doesn't steal it. She doesn't find it. She doesn't rub it Robert Englund has one of the greatest Showcases of it his Art House. I don't even own the Gin is still trapped inside. Yeah weird as fuck the room of dead. Forgotten God. Yeah. He's okay. That's good. I liked it. Yeah, so nice little tie up at the end. Remember like those lucky lat. I feel like with how powerful the Gin was. He could have figured out a way around that little wish will see that that's his weakness though. He can't help but but I think his ego had him granted before he realized what he was granting. I think I think he just like jumped the gun on that one and granted and then you have fuck. I think he does that with all of them. It's his hubris as a gin because he's gaining power with every wish that he So he's only thinking about the power that he's going to get from that. Plus he's also so focused on well third. Wish this is it I get to fuck him rule the world. Finally. I do want to talk about that before we move on. Yeah. What do you think about the Practical design of the Jinn when he's not that Dreamboat? Ah, he looks like kind of looks like Freddie with horns. He looks like Jeepers Creepers Lawrence. Yeah, of course, this is like, I know Power Ranger villain. Okay, that's what I was feeling. Yeah. Yeah, like he was like evil like you looks alright vs. Robots. I really like them as the Nathaniel Demarest likely that his human form. He looks so fucking Sinister as a parent as a person. He was mean to yeah, like good mean but still mean and another thing I really liked was I like the design of his like layer thing. I thought that was really cool. We like the Hellraiser room. Basically the candles were fun and the Cerberus e dogs that he had it was fun it was Big he had quite the rush. Yeah, I think about a Jeep you don't think about them having a condo inside that lamb know. It's like the trapped forever. Like I get it being trapped and not being able to like do your evil bidding that's gotta suck but it's like somebody saying we're going to put you in prison, but in a weird turn of events prison is Disney World so fucking enjoy your you're gonna be bored, but it's pretty Lush in here and it's chair looked over pretty comfy. I mean and he had friends in there. I think oh so quick question. That I'm thinking about it. If you were sentenced to 20 years in prison, but prison was Disney World. What is the and you can only stay on one ride with somebody watching. What's the one ride you wish you weren't trapped? Oh small world. You would take the small world over the Hall of Presidents. Oh God. Is that a ride? That's not a tribe. That's a okay. Well, I mean like any building any attraction room thing. You can sit in small world small world were driving. I don't want to be on a tiny like stinky boat for oh, yeah that boat moves. So slow so slow. We're like the Dumbo ride where you're just like he just got up and down. Although at least her outside with like it's a small world. It's like fucking dark in there, which is like hot. Imagine. It's fine fits the theme, you know, you say it. I'm gonna sleep in your little dune buggy. I don't know if there's anybody that wouldn't pick It's a Small World Hollow president's is a little boring but it's like me. Okay. So what's your rating of Wishmaster is 90s cheesy, but it's my brand and 90s cheesy. I give Wishmaster 2 out of 4, but it's a it's a strong two out of four. I like it, but it's not a great movie. I am also going to go to 4 but it's like a load. Oh shit. Yeah like that Jack the Ripper love, you know, I like this movie because it's got that Tales from the Crypt Vibe and it's it feels very 90s would have been a really cool Standalone Tales from the Crypt movie. I gotta I gotta give you credit for that. That was a great. That was a great pole. Yeah, but I just I just felt like he was too powerful and you're right. It was in service of getting as many practical special effects moments in there, which they do which they did and they are all really great. Fun, but yeah, it's she just she just doesn't feel like a strong enough character to beat him and then she does and you're like, oh we knew it. Yeah, she's a pretty weak character. Yeah. She was I don't know if she was stronger or she had more to do because it's not her fault as an actress like she's doing perfectly fine. You know, she's great and it's just like her their back and forth is very nothing. Mmm. Not so it's a little bit made-for-tv Yeah, cuz you're at like the conversation between them where there's a bit of a power exchange. Change when he's Wendy is great. If we had that much like I am gonna kill you if you don't make wishes, but you better start making some wishes and she doesn't want to make wishes like that. That's a cool little area but that's five minutes of the movie mmm, but moving on we are going to talk about the leprechaun from 1993. The Luck of the Irish is being packed and shipped. To a little town in South Dakota whose luck may have just run out. I like I need the police is an emergency leprechaun. It's out its out of the crate. So leprechaun from 1993 directed by Mark Jones leprechaun is currently sitting at a 4.7 out of 10 on IMDb 23 percent on Rotten Tomatoes similar to wish master and also a two point three out of five on letterbox people on letterbox, like Wishmaster more than they like leprechaun. I love this film had like a better haze around it. Like the time was kind to leprechaun. I would say that I assume more people like Leprechaun, you know maybe it's that more people have watched leprechaun and continue to watch Leprechaun which whether or not they like it has them or fluctuating score on something like better box. That's that is true because it's definitely a holiday movie whether or not it intended to be I think a lot of people watch this in April around you'll that's a really good point St. Patrick's Day. Yeah of corner the market on st. Patrick's Day horror, I will admit I've never really liked this. This movie. I also don't think I've ever really liked this movie. I really tried to give it a shot in this watch. Like I was like, okay, I'm dropping all my feelings about but I do like the leprechaun. I like the franchise as a concept. I love that. He's gone to the hood. I love that. He is gone to space. I mean like I appreciate that people have done those things and I love the zaniness of it. And I do really appreciate that the leprechaun was Silly and campy and kind of cheesy from the get-go that I really appreciate a lot of other horror franchises have kind of grown into that Nightmare on Elm Street is one of them it started out not not to it's fault or anything. I love the first Nightmare on Elm Street. I love how scary it is Freddy is he was always kind of a trickster but he was a gross and gory trickster and he became more silly and fun as the franchise went on. I would say Jason. Oh definitely. Alicia changed and evolved. I mean Jason wasn't even on the top billing of the first film so but I love that Warwick Davis got to be and embody that leprechaun character so early on in the movie. Yeah early on in the franchise and it makes sense for that villain to how you going to really make a leper mischievous Little Leprechaun. Well that it being premise is a little silly. Yeah, how scary is a villain that's only two three feet tall going to be. Yeah and especially like he's cute. Have to be over the top because he's so small. Yeah, I feel like I don't have anything to add here. It's just like Parts like that. That's also kind of just like what I don't love about the movie. I maybe it's that I have an easier time with movies that are very I don't want to say sincere because I think this movie is from the get-go. It's it's really doing what it wants to do initially. I think I like it when a franchise starts out very serious and and then grows too. Something comical like Evil Dead I guess or from Nightmare on Elm Street Friday the 13th something about this being a comedy from the get-go is maybe what I don't love about it. It might even just be that he's a silly villain like, oh, we he's gotta find the people that took his gold until middle that the plot of this movie isn't great and the story isn't well done. Sure. But how did have been executed well introducing us to a feisty little Con killer from the get-go who's witty and has zingers and one-liners. What was the right choice agreed and they did a great job with that like if their mission statement their goals, they achieved them they check those boxes. They everything that they intended to do they did and it's all there on the screen. So it's a personal preference then is what it comes down to because I think everything that they were trying to accomplish they accomplished. Yeah, and then another big problem I have is that I grew up with Willow. So I grew up with Warwick Davis as a My Hero and I really loved him for saving the day and in this he sounds very much like himself like he's doing his voice just a little bit Irish. She so like that's a little traumatizing to me. It's it kind of crushes my soul a little bit. He's great though. He's amazing. He's great. Yeah, but yeah, I'm just like well, oh so mr. O'Grady locks. Leprechaun in a crate in his basement after having a heart attack while trying to hide the evidence of his of his deceased wife and this leprechaun who's trying to murder him for stealing his gold now follow me here does mr. O'Grady go to Ireland because his mum has died. Okay, and he's bringing her ashes back to be scattered on the Family Farm but instead of bringing back her ashes. He steals a leprechauns gold and smuggles the gold in the urn so he doesn't actually Bring the ashes back. What's up? He could do both he could put him down. He gonna put the gold in the urn ashes on top hidden everything know especially from if there's anything that mr. O'Grady is it's great that is very true and drunk whole bottle of Jameson to himself from the air. I assume from the airport to his house like he finishes that bottle off in the front yard. There's no way they'd let him drink an open bottle on the airplane, but I don't know are Ireland different rules. Could be so Flash Forward how many years 10 years 20 years? I don't even know Fast Flash forward to the sometime early 90s. Here's yeah. I can't remember what her dad's name is Torie and Dad have yeah, I don't remember does he have a name JP Morgan or something or JB? It's like a two letter type a name got it. He goes by its initials. I can't remember what they are and I didn't write them down Jeep dad. So he buys this Dusty old farmhouse and Like we're gonna live here, we're gonna tear in a paint it like it's a toy play and then he exits the movie. That's it. Yeah, he gets bitten and he's gone. Like he's only around to drive Jennifer Aniston to the set and to instruct them to to paint the goofiest colors on their house like primary blue house and then bright red shutters. Yeah, no primer and nobody has power washed the house now, we're not going to sand It or Not Gonna coat it prime it nothing. We're and in fact. Painting that's the first thing we're gonna do we're gonna live here, but the whole movie John this bugged me the entire movie and I know you know this because you watched me sit through it. Yeah, like with my me wringing my hands. Nobody dusts. There are cobwebs. Like Webby ass gross hanging dangling Corner crammed in just everywhere. I want to say pounds of cobwebs, but there's probably a pound of cobwebs of them all, but that's a lot of cobwebs luck. Everywhere throughout the entire house and nobody dusts and they are staying there. But no we're going to paint the exterior. Somebody needs to wash the floor do some dusting and get some ice for the freezer. I mean clearly this was a time before HGTV the DIY Network. They haven't watched the homeowners specials whatever they're called The Love It or List it but no wonder why Jennifer Aniston is threatening to go to a hotel the whole movie. Literally the whole mood of the tarantula in the basement at me. Leprechaun, and nobody has dust it. Yeah, the entire film the whole movie. They are State they are sitting on couches and there's cobwebs. I can't handle it. I can't I cannot deal with it. I know that it made for a spooky set and like especially when that leprechaun is rolling around those Halls on the skateboard and this spooky cobwebs are everywhere that like fucking dust you wieners and they like they're paying a paint crew. Who were there the whole time like two or three days overnights as As well because you know, they're part of the family now. Yeah, they really are as soon as they show up its cousin Ozzy and Uncle Nathan little baby Alex. Why didn't they hire a maid crew atmosphere? Mmm. But yeah, I would assume that you would the painting would be the absolute last thing you do the exterior. Also, I mean, why are we harping on this weird? Like we're just your are your choices in Decor are terrible like I would change that signing that looks just like real wood siding company. But this is the first film in the franchise, they could have gone with anything for their plot and they're like, okay. So who are our main characters for this movie going to be like, okay. How about an eight year old kid because you need like a kid hero, you know Gremlin who knows more about taxes and insurance then his adult Campania and then you need like one of those like simple smart small town guys who's kind of goofy and stupid for people to like, you know laugh at and joke with and empathize with so you need him and then you need a dream. I'm boat. And if we're going to have a Dreamboat then we also have a girl that's gonna you know, be love with him and that's going to be what's makes her stay there because it's small town. She's from LA and she wants that California life. So it's like why is it a paint crew that are the main characters of this movie and what are they called three guys that paint three guys have paint one of them is eight is eight years old their future proofing with that name because eventually they will be three guys right now. They are two men and a baby. Early, did they plan on being an overnight paint crew the whole time or day decided to stay with Tori? Because her dad gets bitten by a cat pecan and yeah Yep. They're like, well, we can't leave her alone here. And this dust wagon. I think that's exactly what it is. But can we get we're strangers. Well, yeah, I know they're strangers. But let's let's maybe dad knows him. Maybe let's just focus on the cat the kitty procon kitty leprechaun can work on for a second here because that whole sequence Once how it unfolds fucking crazy so weird. So it is a weird scene so dream Boat Leaves Tori at the truck. She's in the back of the truck. She's like rifling through for primer. Whatever the guys are at the house. They are painting. She's alone at the truck and then underneath the truck Little Leprechaun caressing her leg broad fucking cloudy Blue Sky daylight and she's just like, oh no one foot off the ground. It's not as he crouched down behind her. Well, I Not a touch. Yo, ankle it's not even that he crouches down behind her reaches in front of her and caresses from the front because he's caressing the front of her leg and she's like, oh Nathan don't do what are you really here? Nathan? It's so sunny out and then one day things like wha let's go. She gets weirded out. Yeah, and then the leprechauns scratches her she switches should have infected her. She should have became a leprechaun. Oh, that would have been so fucking great curse of the leprechaun that Come in the end of the movement leprechaun is like werewolfism. I like it. And then your and then like her transformation is just her getting greedier and greedier. All right throughout the movie like why are you being such a bitch story but by the end after like leprechaun has melted and fallen into the well, she's like now, where's me go? Like that one has great credits and then just like eyes piercing through Blackness and then just maybe like a Jennifer Aniston kackley leprechaun laughing. Oh man. Can't wait for that sequel It's Gonna be lit. But so after she gets scratched she falls And she's screaming dad runs from the from nowhere. Dad was not in the scene he comes from from I don't know the break table. My dad. He senses were tingling is everything. Okay well and she's just talking about how some like something somebody scratched her and she's like 80 was caressing my leg. They go on as maybe a catch like I know the difference between a cat and a man caressing my leg the what your dad this is why also cats don't caress legs. Can we stop Sinker breath? Yeah, we couldn't come up with something else. That's full of fucking the sword so much. My yes, I had such grazing my legs so dads like the guy, you know what I hear a cat over in this tree trunk and there's literally a leprechaun in a log railing. It was just a cat we're Mound old and so he's sick this whole arm into the Drita Renee come here cat like the show like a rabid cat is gonna do whether or not they're actually a leprechaun. They're gonna bite your fucking hands. They're also gonna hide any animal is hiding is ready to put our you know, Corner any animal that's why I'm getting it. What if it was a bit like a possum or a raccoon who was like rabies anything rabies do yeah, you stick your whole goddamn. You got bit. Of course. It's on you Dad. So then in like a weird turn of events. We leave The Farmhouse we're all rushing to the emergency room because Dad's been bitten pretty bad and the doctors like I don't know. We're probably gonna have to keep him here until well after the end credits you guys better go on and have your own Adventures Yeah by yourself. So from that point on Jennifer Aniston's like I guess I'm going to hang out. With the paint crew. Yeah, and so they're at a diner and there's like some character development where we learn Jennifer Aniston may be a vegetarian but not a very good one. And then the Aussie and the kid Alex. Are they take one of the gold coins? They say, oh my God, they literally go ahead. Let's follow that fucking rainbow and they find the end of the rainbow kinds of Wordsworth Asiago sex only eats one because he's biting it to see if it's real gold. So he's got a cold. Yeah. How does that happen? I'm a bite at see if it's all I swallowed it. That's the only reason his characters so dumb. It's for that moment because none of the how would that ever happen if maybe he got scared. I mean like accidentally swallowed it sure maybe maybe because it's a cartoon world, but we didn't mention so the leprechaun has followed them on a tricycle that he found in the garage. Thanks Josh that leprechaun even though he's been trapped in a crate for like teen years or whatever has definitely been stashing miniature Transportation Systems in that shed this entire time because he goes into that shed is like it Cavern of toys for this leprechaun. Yeah at one point he comes out in a car that's like souped-up. Yeah, he's going I'm mad max-style armored car. It's pretty great. He finds a car at the pawn shop. He's got the pogo stick. He rides skateboard. He rides rollerblades. Like every option does leprechauns got it. I also like that the leprechaun nose. Silly everything is because just him riding on the tricycle. He's aware. It's silly even he's giggling to himself like this is fucking hilarious and he's just yeah, he takes off he falls him into town and unfortunately, they leave one of them coins with the pawn shop owner who does not deserve to be killed don't you think though would have been better if the leprechaun like Cape Fear style attached himself to the bottom of the truck? Yeah, that'd be great because he's got he's full of belt buckle. He is he's a walking Buckle. Yeah also, Do you think in Cape Fear that he had to string together more than one belt to time self under the carriage of the car? I don't know. I guess you could just get like a big fat guy felt, right? And then that how are you good? Maybe he holds how does that work? There's no way that it's at that's even possible. That's fine though. It's a movie. Okay, not the movie we're talking about right now infinitely more terrifying. But yeah, the leprechaun really gives nobody an opportunity to give them the gold back. He is very much kill first gold questions later because he's feisty and Happy to be free. I understand it's like Skilling. Yeah, he's feisty so I don't know if this is a hundred percent the legend of the leprechaun like the mythology of it was he just some greedy guy who sold his soul for gold because he mentions that in the movie. No, I think they're actually just mythical creatures. They're like a no more. Yeah, but what's their origin like an amp or wasn't just like God created the heavens and the leprechauns like they had to have come from somewhere. R I think they just live in the woods like fairies, right and they have gold and they're very greedy and you can trick them and take their gold but they don't like it. Yeah, I know they don't like it and I get that I guess I just liked that in this movie. They actually gave me a reason for it like why he needs that gold so bad because he's traded his soul for it's why he's Eternal I guess right like he live forever, but he'll always be fighting to keep this gold. It's like that idea. I think that's that's interesting my favorite thing though about the Is the shoe? Oh the shoe thing. I think that's such a fun little like that. He's a cobbler and he's possessed like a possessed cobbler. Oh, you just mean the idea that he's a cobbler by trade. Yeah, but not the part where they're trying to get away the second time they throw shoes and they're throwing shoes and he's like hey, but he's gotta polish all those shoes but he's almost not even mad. He's not even like oh, yeah, but like a cat with a laser pointer. Okay, we like sure. Davis like okay in this scene, you're a cat and we've been throwing toys that shit. Like what if that was just his entire motivation. Yeah, because when you when you use a laser pointer with a cat the cat knows that you're doing it because if you stop that cat will look at you me like make with the lasers but like during the kids like how yeah, I guess was a hunter named. Yeah, like they can't they can't avoid it. But yeah, they would love to be doing anything else and they know it's just a weakness of this you look even if you put it on the ceiling they're not they can't reach it, but they are fucking gonna watch without laser. Was there staring at man? I miss we gotta get a laser pointer and a cat. Oh, oh what what else happens in leprechauns? Like Hills got the Pogo which is pretty cool the pawn shop, except the cuts aren't great. Now the cats are ever see him jumping on the Pogo and I get that's hard like, yeah. I think he they pad that guy out. Right? Like I was talking about this Warrior watch. Yeah. I think they definitely tried to and it didn't work out. So there's just cuts of the pogos motions some guy and then Warwick Davis be like, yeah. We're Davis is really giving his all in this movie I got It's totally yeah that cop that pulls him over to is really giving him a hard time. Especially given that the cop thinks he's a kid and he's like, all right, you little fucker gonna pull over get out of the goddamn car you like you dis guy thinks he's talking to a child isn't it? A little late? Like even in this universe Little People definitely exist. Yeah, so maybe this is a guy coming from like, you know, like a birthday party or a play like treat him like an adult human being maybe he has a beard. Scene where they're trying to look for four-leaf clovers toward the end of the movie is really bizarre because there's just like a green floodlight on the entire area. It's like halfway through the movie they decided like, oh we can use themed lighting and yeah interesting things because so after a few escapades at the house where they can't beat the Leprechaun on their own and the leprechaun possesses the phone for a minute which is kind of interesting. He puts his hand through the phone because I guess he's got a crush on Jennifer Aniston, but so she escapes that's when they're throwing the the shoes she escapes because She's gonna go see mr. O'Grady who's now had a stroke and is in a mental facility. So she's going to see if he has any secrets on how to defeat the leprechaun. But from that moment on the film changes in style the camera angles down. The Halls are all interesting and like these are weird Turf didn't weird in the light and maybe that's supposed to be scary because she's really worried that the leprechaun does followed her so down every like Corner she turns he could be there because there's a few It's where their Shadows that may be a leprechaun and then it's not it's just a broom closet but it's warped in night Mary in a way that the rest of the movie isn't themed because the rest of the movie like bright daylight with painters paint and a half. Yeah, but once it's like once Darkness descends on the set, they all bets are off. Yeah, and they were like, we're going to use some green floodlights. We're gonna get crazy like a really cool shot where she's stepping off the truck and we just like continue to tilt with her and just like we stay on like a 35 degree angle for a while. Yeah, and this this movie is really to her sneakers. Yeah. Yeah, like she's wearing these sneakers with these like puffy pink socks and we see them a lot in the movie. Maybe it's because the leprechaun so obsessed with shoes though. It is so short that might be why okay perspective were see if also if love were standing there. That's why I'm saying. Yeah. And yeah if he were standing there this is the view we would have from his like 3-foot eyesight eyeline. Yeah. So leprechauns got a foot fetish then so he doesn't like to the growing that likes her feet. He likes Shining. Is Vienna foot fetish she'd be smelling them or caressing them something. I think the only thing I've discovered in this entire episode is that I don't like the word caress. No, it's not a nice word. Ah gross. It's like a dry version of the word moist dude. Are you one of those people that hate the word moist? Okay. I was just Hamming it up got it. My favorite word. Favorite favorite word is nebula. Yeah. I like that word. I've heard you say that before. I have another favorite word. Oh, I forgot. Do you have a favorite word? No, but that is fucking hilarious. I have another favorite word but I've forgotten it my favorite word. I don't really have a favorite word. I like for some reason. I like undulation. I don't like that. I did I think I just like uvula and I like it when I like nebula is really far removed from what I said, but I see what you're saying, but you have to Late to say you sure yeah. I know I like it in like a like a descriptor that doesn't quite make sense. Like if you are going crazy and you think everything is connected or there's some sort of weird metaphysical twist and reality how it's like an undulation. I don't ask what your favorite definition was. Okay. I just have like what words do you like to say or the sound of yeah, I think right now my favorite word might be rude but um, Villa definitions your monster. I like using really contrived words. Like I make a purpose whenever I'm writing things to use words that are like out of fashion. Sure like I use amongst instead of among like amongst. Yeah. I use swell a lot and fancy you like old-timey turn-of-the-century slasher do britches. Yes. And like unnecessary alliteration. Yeah, if I can make you rhyme in your head, I'm fucking doing it. Yeah, I can't believe you don't have a favorite word. No don't really I'm not a favorite Sky. It's why I always hate doing list not gonna break it up that old problem with that brick on is a good word leprechauns a good word. It reminds me of work Davis and the weird finale of this movie, you know, thankfully and I will say this is super great. Ozzy doesn't die in this movie. I I really like that Ozzy doesn't die. That would bum me out so much. Yeah, you're right and it's a great setup to because he's accidentally swallowed a coin leprechauns gonna need that coin back. He's got claws weight through his stomach to get to it. Like we could just as easily have a scene where the the leprechaun is playing in his intestines, right? Oh that will see that would have been good but we have would have been but if it wasn't I know yeah, I know. I know I know what I do have to give this movie for credit for is that despite how obvious it was that Ozzy swallowed that coin is I forgot when the leprechaun is all excited because Jennifer Aniston has given him his gold back. Yeah, he's like all like cutesy County and he's like when it's 3 and I was so happy for him because I was like, oh look at him. He's got his gold. I didn't realize there were still 15-20 minutes left in the movie or whatever. Yeah. I forgot Ozzy had eaten the coin. So like congratulations Veil over my eyes. I totally forgot. Yeah, and I was like, oh my God, there's a cool. Oh no Z. It's a good move. Which I think is what you're supposed to feel. I do remember being very surprised when I when I first saw this as a kid and it really got me and yeah, it's still works. It's still very good. I'm glad you forgot that sauce. And I was actually kind of sad for the leprechaun in that moment. I was so happy when I was he was so cute about it Houston Danny's like okay, we're going to count the golden egg, but it was a really sweet scene. So how would you rate this movie? Um, it's actually a really bad movie is a very bad movie. I'd and the crazy thing too, though. Of despite how bad it is. You can really see the Jennifer Aniston is a legit actress in this like she's actually not bad in this movie for an early role obviously, but I'm saying like there is there is a very good actress inside that person that you're seeing on screen. Okay, so I will say she's very compelling to watch I see star power in her whatever that whatever that je ne sais quoi is when you see somebody who became famous Chicago famous. Yeah, like I'm I To watch her. Yeah, and like I'm not a huge Jennifer Aniston family. I don't like the character that she's playing. I don't think it's well played unfortunately, but she delivers what she's given. Well, yeah, but I'm I'm definitely watching her in it. So like she I get what you're saying. I think the characters awful. Yeah. No totally agreed. Yeah, but she sells it. Well, I disagree. I don't think she she does a good job and it's moving. Okay. What do you think? She I think you have to give her credit for? Having whatever that that thing is. Yeah, the long way of saying 1.5 out of 4 right that we're saying. Oh, yeah, and that's purely because I like the leprechaun. I think we're do business. Awesome. There's nothing else really redeemable about this movie. I don't like the story. I think it was a silly decision to put why are the there? Why is there a paint crew? Why are we setting up this dad daughter relationship only to dip dad immediately. Why are there seven seat? Equals like that's the thing like it is so thin this movie like the fact that we've got so many of them it just goes to show how much people like the character. Yeah because it is solely for the character and I think because this character is a like a legendary figure that cannot be killed. He can be brought about by a different scenario every single time. He comes back. Yeah, somebody just needs to happen upon his gold which when he's dormant or whatever which will happen at the end of every movie. He cannot protect it. Yeah, exactly and I like it. Always going to find people any money which is which is gets you to like a really sensitive producers. I do videos. So your rating. Yeah when it happened for yeah, exactly. So of course not that we are necessarily the final opinion on this but based on our criteria Wishmaster is the better Legend film. Yeah, but I do want to say that before we move on. I watched leprechaun returns not too long ago. Ago that one came out just recently from sci-fi. It's on VOD. Now, I enjoyed it. It's also not great story wise but they do a nice way of so they kind of run can the sequels as was the fashion of 2018 and it takes place right after the first one which you know, I like that because I didn't keep up on this equals. I'm not up on all the the plots of those and I think that's what's so great about that move recently. Most people have seen the the original Least know the origins of that villain. Yeah and you're definitely winning back the Casual viewer. Yes, you get a new audience exact without a younger audience and and also the Casual horror fan who does not see all of them. Yeah. This is an event because it is been so long so you can get people that like me haven't seen all the other ones or don't watch them religiously. So that was were just a really smart decision. Yeah, and it's what I always I mean think it's everybody's talked about this to death, but it's it's it's it's also does service to the original movie as well. Like you're not completely nixing it and rebooting it Child's Play, but you are at least saying I can't this movie exists and it's still good and and you should also watch it and we're not going to get rid of it entirely. We're just going to add on to it a little mmm. But yeah, I think the kills are awesome the actor who plays the leprechaun it isn't Warwick Davis in this one. It's a new actor, which I can't remember his name. It's like Lucas Porto. I can't remember them. He Actually really good and his one-liners are great. They do kind of they don't do the exact same leprechaun. He's still feisty. He's so witty. He's still silly. He's got an updated outfit. He's got a different hair and different style. He's good. He's really good. The Kills are great. Did I ever say that kills our great? Yeah. He's great special effects. Yeah. I think I actually like it more than the first one. But either way let us know what you thought of Wishmaster and leprechaun I'm certain you've re-watched Leprechaun the last little while I'll if not, you are gearing up to watch it soon. I have no idea when st. Patrick's Day is but I know it's Mom wear around my said April but it is I think it's March still a little cold outside not quite warm yet. It's coming up soon. But I mean you probably Revisited it before watching leprechaun returns and Wishmaster. Everybody's Friday pick. We're watching it all the time right when you can tweet at us at NFS podcast on Twitter. We're also on Facebook. We have a Facebook page. That's facebook.com slash nightmare. Film Street and a group that is facebook.com groups / horror fiends of N ofs and lastly. I know this is a lot of links. We also have a official subreddit which we're trying to kick start back up. We post links and memes and all kinds of stuff there. 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Horror has had its share of legendary figures over the years, but none more legendary than the legends themselves! On this week's episode of Nightmare on Film Street we're talking WISHMASTER (1997) and LEPRECHAUN (1993). Join Kim and Jon as they dust of an old gem-jailed genie and cast aside cobwebbed clovers to unleash a locked-up leprechaun. Despite popular belief, the show will cost you 0 gold coins, and do wish you would join us... --- Website: www.NOFSPODCAST.COM (http://www.nofspodcast.com/) Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/nofspodcast Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/nightmareonfilmstreet Facebook Page:http://www.facebook.com/nightmareonfilmstreet Facebook Group: http://www.facebook.com/groups/horrorfiendsofnofs Subreddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/nightmareonfilmstreet/   Support the Show: Unlock access to exclusive bonus content and earn some other frightfully good rewards, including shoutouts, merch, and swag by supporting Nightmare on Film Street on Patreon (https://www.patreon.com/nightmareonfilmstreet) . This week, Patreon supporters (https://www.patreon.com/nightmareonfilmstreet)  can enjoy an exclusive companion episode where we continue the conversation on WISHMASTER (1997) and LEPRECHAUN (1993), and play a little game called “Name That Legend” at http://www.patreon.com/nightmareonfilmstreet.

For the last 26 years I've been rocking stage is playing in clubs and having a lot of fun as a DJ and turntablist. And in that time I've seen and learned a lot now it's time for me to share that knowledge by answering the questions that can help. You become a better DJ. I'm BJT 11 and this is the Sheridan College podcast for DJs. Today's podcast is brought to you by bands Jules. What's going on? Everyone? Welcome to the shed. And I was podcast with DJ's. I'm your host DJ tlm and this is episode 2 season 2. This is Mike. Uh, yo for DJ's where I try to answer as many DJ related questions as possible. Now, you can send me questions through IG Facebook comments and YouTube you name it? I have a bunch of questions right here, and I'll try to answer all of these questions and whenever I run into a question that I just don't know the answer. Acid to I will just honestly tell you I do not know now the great thing about this is reading the comments and reading the questions I run into a lot of situations that I'm familiar with but also a lot of stuff, I don't know because not all DJ's have the same type of career. So I'm still learning on a daily basis and I absolutely love that. So my goal with this show is to add value to the DJ community help you become better DJs and at the same time educate myself, and hopefully we can all learn from each. Each other now, I have a bunch of questions ready. Like I said, I want to talk about social media taking your DJ skills to the next level playing DJ pool tracks in public. I mean, these are all questions I received and before I get into those questions just a quick little plug if you want to know more about me. Make sure you check me out on DJ TL m.com. If you're not familiar with my video content, you should definitely check out DJ tlm TV on YouTube. I do Post content in different places, but that's what you find like 450 DJ related videos, right? Now and if you want to find me anywhere else on social media to handle the DJ tlm everywhere you want to send me a question share the knowledge at the JT alarm.com, but you can also just take a comment section or DM's on Instagram work really? Well, let's get into the show and let's get into the first question. So let's get into that first question. It's about social media. And this question comes all the way from India talking about Instagram. I see a lot of DJ's that are using Bots and automation just to increase their Going to try to show themselves bigger than they actually are a lot of DJ's especially female DJ's here in India who don't even know how to beat match are doing big clubs and events with premix sets just because they're females and have good social media following and management teams. What's your take on this the DJ's need to spend more time and money on social media and marketing or on themselves to increase their creativity and talent and DJing and music. So my answer to the second part is very simple, that's both I'll talk about that in a minute but let's just start at that beginning so it's a fact that you have a lot of people not just DJ's but people who find different ways to get that follower count up because they know it'll look better so that could be fake followers buying comments. You name it? I've seen them. I know them sometimes it absolutely looks ridiculous. Like you have someone who have like 65 thousand followers on Instagram, but every photo they post will have maybe a hundred likes and like one or two comments when you see that, you know, most likely that's just not a real number or those followers are just not good followers meaning they're not really an influencer because there's no engagement. The people aren't really interested. They probably just click follow because they like one video and never looked again. I don't know but those numbers don't really Add up so yes, you have people not just in India, but in different places who have a great social media following they have a marketing team, they built a brand for themselves and because of that they are now being booked to do all sorts of things. So they might get great brand deals to promote stuff, but they are also in a position where they can actually get booked to come DJ, even if they're like terrible DJs and for some it's like just a plan they will let themselves be booked as DJs. They don't know how to DJ they'll have that pre-mixed set like you said and they're getting away with it. It works and you have to realize that this is not new. This has been going on forever. The only difference is back in the days. It used to be movie stars. At least you name it. And now we have people that are internet famous, but they still have a following and that's all that counts the promoters at a club. Like we can go back like 10 20, whatever years they would actually pay famous people to come to their Club because it would be a good look for their club or event man. I even remember like what I would call not even like the famous famous but like semi-famous people would still get nice amounts of money just to come through a party. They won't even stay all night. They will stay like 20 30 minutes. The photos will get taken and they be out again now the same thing In happens with people now that have that following the only difference is like I said, it's internet Fame instead of like movie Fame but times have changed a lot of Internet famous people are actually bigger than some of these movie stars. They have way larger following you have people on YouTube that put up videos and every video. They upload has like 10 or 20 million views and it dropped like multiple videos a week. Those are crazy crazy numbers. So it's just business. I understand that's how promoters and club Owners look at it. Now as far as they get them getting booked if they booked someone who's famous and has a following and it will attract a crowd even if it's a terrible DJ if that club is full and people are all anxious to see that person for the club owner. It's a win honest and for us DJ's it can be annoying to see Someone on stage who can't be J Who's using a premix set? But the crowd that that person attracts doesn't seem to mind or they actually like it. So, who are we to complain? That's not our gig and the club Owners fine with it. They're going to continue to do that. So yeah, it might be a fat that is because they're females probably would like a good-looking females with a big Instagram following and they can promote to their followers. Like I'm DJing at that club and people will come it's Business so nothing you can really do about that. So let's skip that that is what it is feel about it how you want to feel about it. I'm not saying it's a good thing or bad thing. You have to decide how you feel about that. It's just how it is. We cannot change that now the second part like you asked spend more time and money on social media and marketing or on your skills. It has to be both. We're living in an era where you cannot depend on just your Mills is been proven playing at times like we just talked about DJ's getting gigs when they're not really DJ's just famous people. You see the same thing with artists you have artists nowadays that are getting record deals when they weren't even an artist, but they just had like this internet following and labels are like, hey, you have a following you have people who you have influence over. They'll probably buy your product or stream your product all day. Here's a record deal. It happens. So you can't just depend on your skill now you You want to make sure that you focus on your skill because at the end of the day, hopefully if you decide that you want to become a DJ you should want to be a good DJ just from a technical aspect be a good DJ when it comes to your song selection be a good DJ. That should be your goal besides that is the other part and that is branding yourself making sure you see yourself as a brand and try to get that out there. So yes you have to Market yourself as social media is a great way to do that. Social media has opened the door for all of us to be able to have that outlet. It's not like you can produce a video at home and then you have to hope that one of the TV stations will use your video and play it on their music channel that's in the past. We all have access to the internet. We all have the option to promote ourselves. Look I'll take myself as an example. I started out as a DJ and I I had a deejay career. I still DJ but it was a DJ for a long time and at a certain point. I just found that the people here where I live. They just weren't enough people who truly appreciate what I do as a DJ, so I found YouTube and I started to do videos on YouTube DJ videos to promote myself as a DJ in to show what it is that I do back in the days. I couldn't have done that. I did it the other way through my mixtapes and I would have to sell. And give away those mixtapes everywhere. Go to places go to events. Share that tape sell that tape to get my name out there. It's a hustle it works. But this allows me to do the same thing, but with people from all over the world now, even though YouTube and mixes didn't work out after I did it for a couple years. I already found a new audience from all over the world. Now, of course after that I made that switch. Rich and I started to do different types of videos that did not include music and I turned it into an educational new channel. That's the channel that you're watching. Now, if you're watching the video clip djt lime TV, I found a new audience and a lot of people were able to find me. That's what the internet and that's what social media has done. So yes, it's a great way to get out there now side note when it comes to this channel if you want to start getting more bookings as a DJ do not make a channel like this. That does not help at all. I'm not gotten a single booking as a DJ from the videos that I do on this channel. That's not what it does. But if I wanted to Brand myself as a certain type of DJI really focus on getting gigs like that social media will be Ablaze great place to do that by actually making sure I have a lot of mixes with that type of material online Mixcloud wherever and then find the audience that I want to cater to online. Oh my g on Facebook on Twitter looking searching for hashtags trying to find people who like the type of music that I'm playing and then interacting with those people finding and building your audience. Make sure that they start to see and hear your name. So you should definitely spend time on that as well. You can be the greatest DJ with all the skills. But if you're sitting at home, and you do nothing nothing is going to happen simple as that. All right. So this question is about playing music from a DJ pool in Public and I know a lot of you are probably familiar with this and know how it works, but I received a couple of questions like this before. So I feel it's important to actually address this in a video and on the podcast right now and that question comes from a 13 year old DJ and he's basically new to a lot of these things. So let me just talk about this. I just encountered your channel and I was wondering how you play your music. Do you have to buy every single song and album to avoid legal issues or are they? Our alternative legal Solutions and one of your video you talked about DJ pools, they sound great. But can you play the music from them at gigs or are they just for reference? And do you have to be an established DJ to use them? I'm an aspiring thirteen-year-old DJ who's just started but it's getting a bit caught up in all of the legal stuff and your advice would be much appreciated. All right. So here's the thing DJ pools have been around for a long time. I mean before the internet we had DJ pools back in the days. It was a little bit different. And as a DJ, if you were part of a DJ pool of a record pool every month, you would get a stack of vinyl. Now, you would not know what you were getting in advance. It all depended on which tracks were being released by the record label. So anytime a record label wants to release new music before the official release. They also make promo copies on vinyl and they would send those two DJ's but instead of sending those to every DJ by themselves, they would use record pools and those record pools with distribute to a bunch of DJ's now of course nowadays. It's a little bit different because it's all digital. So no one sending you vinyl anymore. You just become part of a record pool and then you can just go through the archive and download the music some record pools will have you leaving feedback so that the record companies can see how DJ is actually feel about the tracks some don't ask for a lot of feedback. So that depends on which record pool all record pools are a little bit different when it comes to what kind of music They offer so you have to make sure you check the sites and just check to see what type of artist and titles you see that you can see if it's appealing or if it's for you or not. And yes, it is legal. The whole setup is legal. So if you are part of that record pool and you download that music you can play that music at your gigs. That's cool. That's all fine. The only thing is not all record pools are as easy to join. Some will actually ask for a lot of credentials to see if you're actually Actually a DJ so you'll have to fill out some information. I know some are more strict others are definitely not so just check that out. If you want to apply you'll see what they're asking for. But yes, that is totally legal. That's why it's such a great resource for us you have access to a lot of music you play a monthly low fee and it's all there plus you get instrumentals and edit sockappellas whenever that's available. So you get a lot and yeah. Just it's just a matter of going through what else is in there listening to it finding the tracks. You want downloading the tracks. Most of them are already tagged and everything. So you're good to go. So, I hope that helps you out just take a look at the DJ pool see which one fits your needs best and then just apply and you'll see what happens. All right, so I have a question right here about cue points and I've done videos about Q points before this is a video request. I might do a new video as well, but I wanted to talk about this. Us for a second now the question is I'm a bedroom DJ and I'm studying the craft more and more. Can you do a video on Mark and Q points and setting up points on a track? I'm realizing most of the work in DJing is done before the set with so many tracks who has time to mark all the cue points. All right, that's what I wanted to talk about because that is important. So first of all, if you're watching this or listening to the podcast, you're not familiar with Q points acupoint is basically a marker. In a track that allows you to go straight to that point so cue points give you easy access to any point in the song. That's a lot easier than when we were using vinyl and you won't have to like spend forward to find it spin back to go back to point. A previous point acupoint will allow you to do that automatically. You can trigger that Q Point either within DJ software or on cdjs on a button, but in order to use Q points first, you have to set them because they're not in your songs yet. So you have to decide if you want to To have markers in that track that will allow you to go straight to that point now for me personally, I use Q points a lot of times. I'll have a cue point at the first beat that's a part. I want to get back to easily a lot of times. I might be playing or queuing it up and instead of bringing it back. I can just hit that Q point and be back at the beginning a lot of times. I'll have one at the beginning of a verse because I like the backspin that first sentence stuff like that and maybe I'll have some key points either further in the track like a breakdown or something like that and with Tracks on might just have q points on single drum sound. So one of the kick one and a high one on the snare so I can do some finger drumming on the pads. That's my preferred method of using Q points. I know a lot of these is also use Q points as a marker for their transition in and out points to have like that visual indicator to show them like, okay my cue point is coming up. This is where I have to start my transition that works. I don't use it. But I understand that that definitely works now in this case. You're wondering how much time is going to take to mark all of your points going to take a lot of time. You don't have to mark all your tracks with Q points. That's where you begin. You do not play all of the music in your music collection. So if we're talking about preparation, if you want to set Q points in advance, which is a good thing. You can do that with the tracks that you will most likely play if you're still a bedroom DJ right now you're practicing at home whenever you practice and you loaded and Track that you haven't put Q points in yet. You put the cue points in right then when you're playing it that way after a while. A lot of your tracks will have the cue points in there. Now. If you're already doing gigs and you're downloading a lot of new music every week, you don't have to poke you points in all of those tracks. Not for me. Like I have to go back to that point you're realizing most of the work in DJing is done before the set for me personally that is not the case in some playing freestyle. So I do not pray. Prepare my set. I do make sure that I have an idea of what I'm bringing so that definitely counts as preparation. But since I'm DJing digitally those crates are already in my laptop. I might just take a look and maybe make a special crate for an evening and fill it with tracks. But a lot of times I don't even do that and it happens a bunch of times and I'm playing and I'm loading in a track and I took it from a different folder and that version does not have the cue points yet. It takes me a couple of Seconds to set of course that coupon at the beginning that's easy. So the first time I know the track go to the beginning set that cute Point moving forward or just beat match it once I'm beat-matching queuing it. I'll get to that point with a verse begins set of Q point there. I can work that way but the preferred method is to make sure that at least most of the tracks that you play most often have the cue points in there. But if you're at home right now, that's no issue. But you do not have to do everything. Just please keep that in mind because Cuz I get this question more often, like people telling me like, yeah, I've been busy the last couple of weeks putting cue points in all my music. I'm like, why would you do that? Most likely I have a collection of Music some of these tracks in here never get played also have to take those out. But why would you spend time on something when you don't even know if you would play that track? So there's no need to do that now, I'll think about making a new cue Point video to explain it again, but if you go to DJ tlm TV Go The channel page you go to the search box right there and you hit cue points you type Q points, you will get the videos that I made about Q points. I have a video how to make you points. I even have a video that shows you how you can make a cue point with stickers musing real vinyl. So I have some material about that on the channel already. So I hope that helps you out have fun practicing and while you're practicing set those cue points. So this next question is about a scenario that a lot of us are scared of or were scared of and a lot of us have been through It this is about being in a situation where your equipment fails during a gig and yes, this question is about laptops. But I've seen plenty of situations where DJ's were struggling with the CDJ that didn't work anymore a mixer failure you name it all sorts of things can happen. But let's go into this question. Now, I've been getting straight gigs for about six months now and I haven't experienced any glitches like laptop freezes Etc. What do You do when this happens? Okay, make a video about this on your channel. I'm working with the SP2 and I don't have a four-channel controller. So I can't play Emergency mixes. So what it means is if you have a four channel mixer and you're using two channels, you can use like one of the other two channels to connect like an extra device with a mix just in case so he still wanted to know what I feel about that. So here's my thing. I went to a transition period when I was switching from Vinyl to digital I use digital for a while when I was using final scratch, but I would always have my vinyl with me because final scratch wasn't the most Dependable system. And yeah, I had some fails with that but mostly I saw other DJ's have fails with it. So I was still bringing my vinyl even though it's playing digitally. I just didn't trust it yet. Now I switch to Cerrado later on and it took me some time before I felt comfortable enough to leave vinyl at home. So I was still bringing vinyl now mind you I was not bringing my three to four crates of vinyl. I will bring one smaller crate and that crate was packed with nothing. But these what's the best way to call them like these were like best of albums like collection albums with nothing but like bangers and hits so They were all double albums. But every track on one of those albums would be suitable for the club's. So this crate was like this big but with that crate, I could spend a couple of hours of like dope tracks. I brought that crater long for I don't know probably at least six more months to every gig just because I was scared something would happen one gig something did happen to me and at that gig I hooked My Cerrado always using the so1 my vinyl there and the tracks were playing in reverse. At that time I wasn't using Cerrado that long yet. I freaked out I had no idea what was going on now mind you internet wasn't that great then especially on phones so I didn't really have the option to look it up right on the spot. If I could have done that. I would have fixed the problem in two seconds. That's beside the fact the problem was and I didn't know at that time if your tracks are playing in Reverse, it means that the RCA cables are in the wrong way. Now mind you if you looked at that the red and white went into the right inputs on the mixer, but these were two of those older turntables that have been revised a couple of times new cables and the RCA cables weren't connected the right way. So white was actually read and read was white. Now if I would have known about that, I could have fixed it in 10 seconds. I didn't so I freaked out I was like, ah, so put Cerrado to the side and I think I did a three hours. Set with just that crate Rock The Party it worked but it bugged me out when I came home and realize it was that simple as like okay, never mind if that happens again, and it's happened a couple of times switch to RCA. And then you're good to go. Now. I've played a gig where my laptop my old old laptop that was like an old Windows computer. I was using it got too hot. The club was like crazy lot of humidity a lot of heat and it got Hot that the laptop just it got to a point where just said and it went out in that case. We were playing in a club and I was playing back-to-back with another DJ and we had two sets right there. So there was also a see DJ set. I believe there was a second set. So I just looked at him as like play a track right now and took a couple of seconds and he just started attract. I actually just restarted my laptop and I lifted it up a bit put something under it. So Are could come underneath it and it did work for the rest of the night. That was the first time I realized I need a laptop stand because I would have my laptop like just flat on the floor. So the ventilation did not get his room lesson learned. That's how you learn a lot of these things by making the mistakes. But in that case I had to back up mount it would be in my best interest to always bring it back up and always have that connected and I'll be very honest and tell you right now that I don't actually do that. I can't remember the last time I actually had something hooked up as a backup even when I'm playing on a set and there's a CDJ next to it. A lot of times. I don't even have the flash drive in there. Now. I have a flash drive. So if something would happen to my set I could switch and go to the cdjs, but I don't have it in there. I just I don't know I feel comfortable with my set. I know that at any time something could happen and if that does then if there's an extra set. That I'm in a position to just put it on a flash drive fix it that way if there's nothing else. Yeah, then we would have a problem but I actually hardly ever play in spots where the DJ said I'm playing on is the only set their most of the times I'm playing in clubs where the rest of the DJ's are playing on cdjs, and I'm the DJ coming into play with turntables and Cerrado. So I know if anything happens I use that in your case if you have USB to and you're doing gigs on that sb2, are you connecting that SB to straight to a PA system or is your sb2 going into like an external mixer? It has to go into something that has to be like a sound system at the venue where you're playing most likely that sound system from the venue will have extra inputs. So what you could do basically is use some type even if it's like A simple old-school MP3 player I still have my old iPod 120 gigs of Music on their bring that and have that connected to that PA system. If anything would happen to your set. You would have to like signal the engineer or whoever's in charge of the sound to start something on that. Even if it takes a couple of seconds that's going to go on and it's going to give you time to figure out what's going on. Now if your laptop Is dead and there's not coming up. It's not going on again. I don't know how you would fix that if your setup is the only set up there. So in that case you're screwed. All right, so let's talk about question about taking it to the next level and I have to say right off the bat before even reading the question. This can be interpreted a lot of different ways because there are different ways. You can take it to a Next Level. So if you're a bedroom DJ right now and you want to start playing in clubs that's taking it to the next level. If you just learn how to mix your transitions are going. Okay, but now you're starting to incorporate turntablism that's taking it to a Next Level if you're already playing in bars, but now you're going to play bigger events. That is a Next Level. So there's different ways to interpret that and I wanted to say that before I get into this question because I'm actually not totally sure what is meant in this case. So the question is how do you know or what level? Of skill does it take to take it to the next level which you're DJing like you're making a living with DJ. How do you get better? If you're a family man with a full-time job at a busy lifestyle aside from DJing. I lifestyle is always on the go when I have a gig that's the only time so things slow down for me. I'm not very good at scratching really haven't had the motivation to learn it. Like you do transitioning is very good, and I'm pretty Creative as well with that. I have around 10 grand worth of equipment lights speakers controllers Etc the market where I live for DJing really isn't here most clubs bars Etc around me don't like hip-hop and dances genres genres that I play. It's more country classic rock crowds. So it's hard to get Known playing that kind of music. So that's the thing. There's a couple of different things within this question. The first thing is about know, In what level is skill does it take to take it to the next level what you're DJing like if you already busy DJing, how do you get better now? If we're talking about skills getting better practice is the only solution now if you're doing gigs, your gig is also practice, but if you want to really take it to a next level with your skills, you have to find time to practice now as someone who has spent time being a full-time DJ and family, man. I know that yeah we We live a busy lifestyle, but it's not like there's no time left. If you currently have no time left. There's a very good possibility that you're not spending your time, right? If you take a close look at your time. You most likely will find that you're wasting quite a lot of time that could have been spent on more productive things. I found that out about myself as well now, I'm not a full-time DJ right now. I'm spending most of my time on creating content for my Channel with the podcast. You name it. And then I have my clients that produce content for them. That is part of what I do. Then. I have some DJ gigs and I still tour brain power all of that combined creates or is what I do right now. So I'm living in an era and we're living in an era where I'm able to actually diversify and do like five six different things that are all DJ related. So to me, that's perfect. Now that makes it even more busy than when you just a DJ because to be honest DJ life, isn't that hectic? If you're a family man, and you do gigs on the weekend, or even if you have some weekday gigs, it's not like you're running around all day. That's it for me. At least that's not the case. You will still have extra time here and there but in your case, you're also talking about that you have like lights speakers controller. So are you looking to also like get into doing like mobile gigs? Are you currently actually doing gigs or are you a bedroom DJ who wants to take it to the next level and start playing games? In clubs, I can't really tell from that but going to the latter part of this story you're playing in an area where they're not playing the type of music that you're playing in the bars and clubs. So, how can you get your how can you get your gigs? I would suggest what I say. All the times is if you're living in an area where no one is doing the type of parties you want to do you're going to have to be the one to do them. Now do a small event for people who actually like the the music that you play so you're going to have to do the research or maybe you already know this are there people in your area who would love to hear the music that you're playing and don't want to go to the bars where they're playing like the country and classic rock. I can imagine that there's basically no place on the planet where there's still only people who want to hear country and classic rock. So most likely there will be a crowd there that wants to hear hip hop and dance and those type of showers find those people if not in person search online. Find those people and organize a small event to build your own fan base. And I mean small small. I've talked about this in several other videos, but that is an option or you have to start looking beyond your own area and find out where the places are where they are more into the music that you're playing. So there's multiple ways to interpret and I hope I kind of answered that but just keep in mind that that is part of the thing if you want to get better as a DJ you going to have to spend that? At time and practice and become better and evolve at Morse to your skill set if we're talking about actually venturing out and doing gigs. You have to start finding the spots where you could actually play if they're not in your area. You're going to have to create that for yourself or move out and find it somewhere else. Now if you want to know more hit me back. Once again, I don't know. I think this was a YouTube question if I'm not mistaken, so Hit me back. If you hear this or see this if you have more information, all right bad Zuko makes it easy to build a stunning website for your music and minutes. You can choose from hundreds of mobile friendly themes and then customize your design and content in a few clicks with bands. 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The question is what is hard or easier scratching with the jog wheel or actual vinyl. Now a lot of people are still looking at controllers. Like that's not for DJing that's not for scratching and then you have people saying like turntable is the only real thing you name it that discussion is so old it's incredible that it's still alive. But here's the thing you have plenty controllers out there. That are great for basic scratching. You can learn basic scratches on those controllers a lot of the controllers. So scratching with a jog wheel it works. You can definitely do it. If you want to learn more about scratching if you want to do more Advanced Techniques, the only way to learn that is by using turntables. It is a different feeling it allows you to truly feel the Front and that really helps you out now, I don't actually have to explain that anymore because the proof is there have you seen or do you know any DJ who started on the controller still plays with a controller and has totally mastered like turntablism skills. I highly doubt it. I've seen great performances on controllers, but all of those DJ's In those routines started with turntables that's where they learned the technique and the muscle memory. They have allows them to do those same things with that non-moving platter. That's it for me. I can do things on a small controller. You might have that same controller you learned on that and I'll do things that make you say like, wait a minute. How can you do that with this controller that never works for me? That is that's what I noticed because with like a small controller with like know. You will indicate is nothing I was still able to do the right hand movement because my hand is actually used to having to do a certain movement because the moving platter that's for me. That's the best way for me to explain it. It just gives you a better feeling and you have more control over it. So if you want to learn how to scratch you can use your controller if you want to take that to a Next Level Advanced scratches turntablism, a turntable is still the best tool to learn how to do. Do that. Now. If you use that to learn how to do it, you can go back to that controller and dual or things with it that you could ever do before but chances are after you've done it with the turntable you prefer the moving platters for scratching and turntablism. I still have my turntables, but that's why I also like all the controllers removing platters. That's why the ns7 when it came out. That was like, I love that thing it gave me that vinyl feel and it gave me all the advantages of a controller. So hard easier basic scratches you can do on anything if you want to go further than that take that turntable, like for instance. I did a Saturday sessions video where I'm actually using the SB and this same person here is telling me that he has the DDJ as be check out that video if you haven't checked it out and you can see what I'm doing with that as be I actually start on a turntable and that I do the same thing on that as B and for a lot of of people who just start on that SB it's going to be really hard to do the same thing. I did if they haven't learned to do that on a turntable first, but if we're talking about basic scratches you want to do like a baby scratch you want to do some Cuts you want to transform all of that stuff can be done with controller cdjs, no problem. But if you're asking me like what's harder what's easier that's pretty subjective like for me a turntable feels better. So for me, it's easier on a turntable than it is on a job will because that's like a non-moving piece of Plastic that is not gave me the same field I can do it, but I'll preferred that moving platter if you started out on a jog wheel. That's all. You know, it's going to be easier for you on that jogwheel than it probably is when you get that moving platter the first time but after you practice with that turntable for a while things start to change. Alright, so right now I want to talk about Ableton and just to be clear. I do not have a lot of experience with Ableton not for live performances, not for producing. I tried it like a couple of times. I'm going to have to really sit down with that one because that is different from all the systems that I use to use like Cubase logic even machine Ableton is a different animal but I still will find time some time to really learn how to do it Master it because I liked what I saw but this is a question from Sri Lanka. And the question is I used to use cdjs as my standard setup but now because Knowledge is taken over the music industry. I feel like switching to Ableton Live for my live performances. He talked about pros and cons and performing live music with Ableton on stage versus using cdjs to play mp3s. Now, look first of all, you want to switch because technology has taken over the music industry. I'm not sure what that actually means. So you would have to elaborate like yes Tech is definitely playing a bigger part and if we're talking about technology and we're including the internet the internet has totally changed the way the music industry works from sales to streams. You name it. That's a fact but that has nothing to do with you playing a DJ set. If you decide that you want to go to Ableton to play live music that is a conscious decision to switch from just playing songs to actually becoming More of a performer because Ableton does allow you to be way more creative. You can load tracks in there, but you can also have like your own music in there mix it in then take certain parts of the track out. Just like you hear like drums or just Melody you have options and you can do a lot of fun stuff with it now mind you again. I'll tell you I do not have a lot of experience with it. But I've seen people use it. I've seen that you have a lot of possibilities and it could be great for live performances, especially if you're a DJ EJ was performing with like an artist. I've seen DJ to do that as well. Great. A lot of tools in there that are great to use but it is a totally different animal than go on stage and playing songs and that could be from a CDJ that could be from turntables and controller doesn't really matter. So it has nothing to do with the fact that technology has taken over the music industry that does not matter. So my question to you would be do you have your own music are you producing music? Do you have songs where you have the separate? The separate layers of the track, then it would make more sense to have something like Ableton, but you could also use a tractor and work with stems in that as a different story. But if you're only going to use like the same MP3s that you're using now in the cdjs, then it doesn't really make sense to switch to Ableton because now you have to bring a different type of setup. What are you going to use to control Ableton? Are you going to bring something like push or different type of device and you have to bring your laptop, you know? Name it so it's a totally different animal compared to If You're Now using cdjs most likely with like a flash drive. So if you're going to do a lot of like live manipulation adding extra samples and layers and stuff like that. Ableton is great. I can't really talk about the pros and cons, but if we're talking about being creative and actually performing Ableton can do a lot for you. If you're just going to play music. I see no reason for you to switch to a different system right now, so I want to take a second to talk about MCA. During your DJ set and I know for some of you this is not an option. You just do not feel comfortable with a microphone. That's perfectly fine. There's no saying that you have to be able to rock like phone during a set but it is an additional skill that's very useful to have within Your Arsenal. So if you are comfortable enough speaking in front of people it would make sense to also be able to hold that mic during your gig practice that at home the question I have here. It's not really a question. It's more so scenario, but I want to talk about this for a second. It has to do with control in the mic now last weekend. I arrived as a guest DJ at a new hip-hop club in Shanghai and like two minutes before my set the manager gave me a mic and said I should use it during my set. All right lucky enough. I didn't mind but one problem. I realized during my set while occasionally I'm seeing is that I ran out of things to say for crowd Hypes. I had already used the obvious hype such as He make some noise Etc. But for sure I saw myself touching the Michael S as my gig went on. So basically the question is what do you do in a situation like that for me personally as a DJ who has emceed a lot during gigs and I still do sometimes but if there's an MC present who I trust I'm perfectly fine with that, but I've been in situations where there's an MC and it's like a terrible MC. I'll tell that MC straight away like homes listen up. Up. I'll take my own set. I'll host my own set. So do you but don't speak through my set simple as that? Here's the thing don't overthink emceeing. So the first thing I do is I don't MC too much you have certain DJ's who just grab that microphone every chance they get to ask people to throw their hands up again. You don't want to overdo that depends on the crowd like certain crowds if they really came to see that these They'll probably do anything to DJ says but if we talk on the club night people just come to that club to party. They don't want to have some MC like commanding them to do this and that all night long. So use it when it's appropriate don't feel you have to do it all the time in my case. I don't have a lot of go to sentences. I use I say I might say something like Make some noise, but it's not going to be like really interesting. I'm special things to sound different. So if I feel that a certain thing is good like asking people to make some noise and if that works I might do that again later on. So in my case, I'll use that microphone in the beginning when I start and I might just ask people like are you ready to party? Yeah. I know. It's a standard line, whatever that's not little interaction if you get like a yeah, you could continue and just start playing from there or if you know what type of track you're playing you could like. In the middle of your set like stop and if it's a familiar artists like we're all my let me do old school where I want to park fans that if you get that reaction, you got to make sure that you know, what type of crowd you have there, but something like that if they give you a reaction and you throw that Tupac in there, they'll go nuts stuff like that or maybe every once in a while. I'll grab a mic and I'll sing sing. I'll rap along just like one of those sentences that I know the crowd is going to say as well. That fader down and just sing along having some fun and do that. There's no saying that you have to constantly talk to that crowd constantly use that Mike but there are situations where it could definitely help you out. Like for instance if you want to switch to a totally different genre totally different PPM range being able to just stop attract address the crowd with the microphone and then start a new track in a different Tempo different genre is perfect, but don't overthink it don't use it too. Watch and don't be scared to say the same thing a couple of times if that works. That's my opinion. If you have advice if you do a lot of emceeing and you do it differently, let us know in the comments section down below. All right. So this question definitely hits close to home. This is one of the things within my DJ career, I feel I should have done differently and that is a question about playing for a radio station. Now, here's the thing should you plan your travel? Tracklist for radio station or just freestyle two things. I've had my own radio shows on radio stations and that was like a mix show in that case. I did not prepare. That was just me doing like two hours sets and I would have my own stuff. They're like my own equipment. I made sure like with one station. I used to have my ns7 there with the other station. I had to turn table set like permanently there just for me to come in. And play but that was in my own comfort zone my own show. So I get to do what I do in that case. I felt perfectly at home. This did my thing, but I've also done guest radio slots where you just come in during a program and within that program you do like 30 or 40 minutes set. I did those freestyle and to me it did not work. Well, so Like like like twice that it happened not like 10 times twice both times. I did not feel good about the gig and a game. I needed some time to think about what actually went wrong. And the thing is I wasn't in my own personal Vibe because I wasn't in my own space now. Normally that's not an issue. If I go to a new club, that's not my space. But if you're playing in a club, you have the crowd reaction, you have the crowd interaction if you're in a radio station here in the booth. Do not have any interaction. There's no crowd. So you don't see how people react once in an uncomfortable or unfamiliar surrounding. I just did not catch the vibe. Like I catch you when I'm in a club or even when I'm doing like my own sets for radio station for my own radio show so that definitely made a difference and afterwards I thought to myself if I ever do guest radio spots again. I have to make sure I prepare Those now I might not do a total prepared set. But I have to make sure like I have an intro outro ready and at least like half of the stuff I'm going to do with in that mix has to be at least set so I know this is what I'm going to do. This is where I'm going to go next maybe plan a little routine in there as well just because I'm not going to have that interaction. So I want to make sure that I have a solid thing prepared because I'm not going to get the energy that's it for me when I play Freestyle is not just about reading the crowd to know what to play next. You also going off their energy. Their energy feeds me when I'm playing. I didn't have that at the radio. So I needed to remind myself like okay, it's a different scenario different surroundings treated in a different way. So that's my personal thing again. When I did my own show, that was my own thing. I was there like an hour early setting up everything. I knew exactly what I was going to do because it was totally me and that just felt different and I never really had that issue. Shoo. Now this thing also is for my own radio show. I made sure that I was live streaming it and I was reading comments on Twitter people sending in request. So there was sort of an interaction there. I had feedback while I was playing so that's totally different now, it might be different now because the radio gigs I was talking about like the guests things those were before the Twitter era and everything. So the really was like no feedback. So it is a different situation, but I Say at least know what you plan to do during a radio set. You don't have to like prepare the entire mix with know what you're about to do that helps out. So you don't have to think about that and you don't have the crowd to give you that feedback. That's my opinion again. If you're watching the video clip, let me know how you handle that. If you do get spots. Do you have a specific way to treat that if you do a radio guest spot holler at your boy in the comment section. Alright. So for this question, we're going to take it a little bit to the personal side of Things talk about work-life balance and this question is all about that. So the question is I won't mind if you can talk about DJing and real life being married having children putting the family first turning down gigs because of the family like when you move from your previous address to your present and just stuff about transition from a kid to a full-grown adult DJ. So yeah, we've been together for 17 years. So I've been in this situation That you could call the work-life balance situation where you have like your partner and then children come into the picture and turns into a family situation. Now when it was just me and her I definitely was able to choose the DJ side of things a lot more. That's just a different situation when kids come into play Yo those kids come first that's that's my take on it and I know not everyone. Will agree or feel the same but for me it definitely changed the path of my career because my focus shifted. I was not spending as much time on my career as it was before and I definitely turned down certain things because I wanted to be there now it might have hurt my DJ career to an extent, but I have no regrets about that. So that's why I'm saying. I know DJ's who go the opposite direction and they're killing it and they're doing great business. They hardly see their kids. That's a choice as well same it's not just for DJing you have people in business in daily life doing that all day seeing their kids like two hours a day and for the rest of the time they're working. So that's their situation as a DJ. We have a little bit more choice because we're not nine-to-fivers but I chose family and I'm very glad I did I got to see both of my son's take their first step. I was there I was present I got to witness that that's something new. One can take away from me and no gig on Earth can replace that being there seeing that that's a moment right there. So there have been situations like that where you choose differently like when my kids were still wearing my oldest was still young and I got this opportunity to play but I have to go away for like two weeks. I decided not to not mind you if this was like a really really good business opportunity that would lead to a lot more in the future. I might have chosen differently in this case. That wasn't it. It was like, okay. It's a couple of gigs they're paid. Okay, but it's nothing special. It's going to take me away from my newborn two weeks. No, that's not happening. Now. That's when the kids just come into play. Of course after that if you are like really active Within The family and you're part of the family it changes your life. I have two sons right now and they have school. They have their extra things. So that takes up a lot of time combining that with DJing is a different thing, especially if you're talking about waking up early in the morning to take kids to school when maybe the night before you DJ and I've been in those situations where I come home like 5:00 in the morning. All I can do is shower and then it's time for the kids to wake up. It happens. Now, it doesn't happen that much now because I'm Not Dead DJing as much that's also a conscious decision to do that less. I'm seeing if there's anything else in there. But as far as longevity I started this when I definitely was a kid I've been doing for over 25 years now. I think the only reason I still love doing what I do is because I love what I do. I love DJing so that's why I stayed in it for so long. Because I had ups and downs. So more gigs less gigs financially. You're doing better financially. You're not doing as good. I never had a job on the side. So music was always the only income. So yeah that fluctuated like crazy and if you're not totally into it, you're not totally devoted your heart's not totally there. You're going to give up after a while now. That's okay. That just means you don't really have that much love for you just like it so difference between liking and loving but I'm so glad I chose the path I chose because I just felt that was what I needed to do. When I was that young like younger. I was doing basketball and DJing at the same time at a certain point. I had to make a decision which one I'm going to choose now. I love playing basketball, but also love music and DJing so I had to make a decision right there and I chose and I know I chose the right path and the journey Self the process itself. That's the whole adventure and I love everything that is brought me so far even though not everything has been as great especially if you look at social media nowadays, you might think that DJ is live this great life and all DJ's that you see are doing amazing. That's just a bunch of BS, but that's because most of them treat Instagram and Facebook like they're highlight reel and all you see is that good stuff when most of them have at the time their tireless can be because they're And or they have a period where they don't have as many gigs or they post a lot of gigs like on their social and then you find out to hear that they're hardly getting paid for those gigs. So yeah, you have a nice list of gigs, but you're not really making that much money. So it's more appearance than actually good business. Yeah, there's more that goes into it. But for me I've been able to do this and combine this life with family life also because of communication you have to make sure that you're paying attention to your family. Only so if there's time when you're spending more time on work, you have to make sure to keep in check if everything else is okay, and especially when it comes to a relationship when you have children for the people that are watching or listening that are in this situation where you have kids you might run into a point where you find out that you're basically living your life in the focus is on the kids and then you forget about each other that happens and you have to be aware of that be conscious of that. That communicate about that and take care of that because you all need to be tight. So it's an ongoing process because everything changes sometimes I might be more busy and that's going to affect my family life as well. And sometimes I'll have more time so it all depends but for me it is that I chose something I love that gives me a lot of Happiness. So that's also healthy for them and communication is key. Sometimes you have to To do more and then you have to let them know and you have to make sure that you keep your eyes and ears open to see and hear if you're lacking if you're not spending enough time on that other side and take care of that then but there's no formula. It's all experimental. You just have to live and see that's at least My Philosophy. That's how I've been doing it for this amount of time and growth comes with that time as well you learn from just the experience. You gain from all the gigs you do mistakes? You make relationships People You Meet everything and I look at life differently now than I did when I started I make different decisions. Not that I did when I started as a DJ like I have the confidence and self awareness to know like no, I'm not doing that gig because that's not a God not not going to give me a good feeling even though I could use the money. I will choose not to because I want to make sure I'm not tarnishing the - another half for to thing I do. I'd rather look for other outlets, like creating content to still maintain and do the things I love to do. So for me, this is amazing being able to share my experience talk about DJing having DJ gear around the test and have that be part of my job part of my income and still touring with bring power and still doing DJ gigs when I run into the gigs that are fun that are good and we'll see what time brings Zile continue to do this for a very long time if I can do the thing I love to do. So that's my answer rant whatever you want to call it and I hope that helps you out and I hope more DJ's would become a little bit more honest and share a little bit more instead of the facade that I see a lot of them. Hold up like making it look all pretty and great and there's so much more to it. There's so much more to it. All right, that's it. Now look there were a lot more questions, but I'm going to stop the episode right here because I feel this is becoming a way too long episode. I already have more than enough questions for next week because the questions just kept on rolling in I was even able to put some more questions and because I had to cut this recording into two, so I added some more questions now and yeah, once again thanks to all of you for not just checking out the content online like on djt Lime TV, listen to the podcast but also the interaction that we have Online especially on Instagram all the questions. I receive I truly love it and you guys give me that inspiration and actually material for more content. So it's it's a give and take thing and you're giving me and I'm giving back and hopefully we can take some knowledge from each other and become better. That's it for this episode episode 2 of the Sheridan College podcast for DJ season 2 in 2019. I'll be back next week on Monday in the meantime, make sure you check. Check me out on YouTube on Instagram on Facebook LinkedIn. I'm everywhere posting content everywhere. Let's chat. Let's chop it up and check in next week.

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Hello and welcome to another episode of let me finish with myself Thomas Vecchio where each time I'm joined by a very special guest to chat about a topic that we get. So passionate about that. There's no choice but to let us finish. The idea of this podcast is to document some of the interesting inspiring and funny conversations. I've had with people I've met so that I can share them with you. I hope you have as much fun listening to this as I did recording it. I'm super super excited about this episode. I joined by someone who I met him a couple of weeks ago and we just got involved in a really really interesting and quite intense conversation about body positivity and she is hosting a really really exciting event in a couple of weeks and I'm really excited to have this conversation and chat about it. And it's Bex. Hi Mickey. Hi. I love it. Hello. How are you doing? Yeah, really good. I'm like super pumped about the event and like I said, I've got the retreat as well. Yeah smart and so it's just like there's a lot going on. You know, I love going on. Yeah, and we'll definitely cover all of it. And rice was like you can definitely just start with telling the listeners a bit more about yourself because I mean we're right now with sat in a really nice apartment in London, but obviously you how long have you been in the UK? Where did you come? Um, where were you before intro? Oh, okay. So actually quite quite the journey. Yeah, but in summary, basically I moved to the side of the world. I was actually not intending on moving to London because all I'd ever heard about it was that it was gray and rainy and just full of buildings and overpopulated so heard all this bad stuff. So I actually never wanted to come to London. Yeah, and then I was actually Moving to France. Yeah, what am I in French and like drink good wine and have to you know, it's all the good reasons very much. So anyway, then I moved to France but whilst I was there. I visited a friend here in London and I just like fell in love with London. Yeah, and I was like, wow, it's so good like the vibrancy. It's so rich in culture like it's so Progressive. I was like, oh my gosh, I have to live here in the future. So it was I was in working in Monaco as a nanny and then I move Moved back to London. This is about six years ago. Okay, and then as well, yes, I was in Monaco for a year and then moved to London and I was doing nannying and graphic design. And yeah, and then it was a year ago. Actually that I just moved into being an entrepreneur and entrepreneur. Yeah also and what was like the step for that? Like, how did you was like the Click moment that you Okay, I really like this is something I found. I'm really interested in and I want to pursue it further. I think that like I just saw a real need for. Exercise to be fun. Yeah, I'm quite a social person. Some people might call me next about some I just love being around people and I just thought oh my gosh, like exercise should be so fun. It's so important and it's so good for like mental well-being. Yeah, and I've had such a way like fun and interesting Journey with it myself and I was just like actually I want to share the love for this and I would I've been in New Is James here in London? And that's it's very serious? Yeah, and like you can't talk to the person next to you. Like obviously you could close on the wall. Yeah also like with English culture as well. You don't have you like that person is just like it's probably will be bright. Yeah. It's like you can't talk to people. Otherwise, you're weird. No smiling. No eye contact not yeah. It's like yeah, exactly and I'm like, oh my God, this is so big. And so I guess that kind of like birth the idea. Here and I was like, I just love Fitness then I think it needs to be more fun. Yeah, and I was like, you know, I'm just going to start a business and make Fitness more fun and more social and something that people can actually be excited about rather than like. Oh so grueling like a child. Oh, yeah, like a chore, you know, it should literally be for our pleasure not for punishment and it's like, oh I didn't go on my run this week. Um, such a like bad person. I haven't like achieved like my goals or whatever and it's like well no like About if you reword it, so it's like you want to go on a run because you're doing it with a friend and then you're going out for brunch afterwards and all of a sudden everyone's fun, you know and it with all these different events that I've been running. It's like well, you know, I want to make sure that there is this fun social playful element to it. Yeah. So I mean I've different I've always sort of got plans in the pipeline of like a fun thing. Yeah, you know, but that's kind of how I stepped into it's just like seeing a need for fitness and exercise to just be more fun and accessible to everyone no matter if they can, you know do 50 burpees or yeah, how many chin up? So whatever it is, it's like that so not what it's about. It's just actually about like, you know, releasing their dolphins and they're like feel good. You know, I like looking after your well-being and thing. Yeah. Yeah, that's awesome. And then so it was from the beginning. I was always like let me I'm set up events or how like, what did you kind of start up at the beginning? And of because we'll talk about the event that you've set up in a while but kind of what has kind of build up to that. Yes, I guess the dream to know what actually it did start when I read the 4-Hour workweek. So that's actually where I should start start from sure. So with that's of Timothy Ferriss and I don't know if you've read it, but I'm not ready, but I'm aware of it. Yeah. Yeah, and it's like what four hours and then you can be earning like yeah. Are hundreds of thousands a year, whatever. Yeah, I know my um, yeah. So anyway, I read that book and there was the section there. It talks about, you know, like what do you actually want and it's like as it experiences is a having Financial Security and like what is it that you want to do? And then I was like, I really want to I want to own my own fruit tree. Yeah, and so I guess I sort of worked backwards from there and I was like, okay. Well first of all, You know before I can owner a trait I've got actually just like start my own. Yeah, and without owning the physical British Frazier just run those tree and then before that to actually get people to trust me and to know me and to get understand my vibe and what babes balances all about. Yeah, you know and then to actually do events and get to know people and like build a community of fit curious woman. Yeah. And yeah, so So I started these events. So the first one was actually it was at the bridge at London Bridge. Yeah, and it was basically yeah, it was a real MVP really I was doing the startup accelerator with escape the city and yeah, they're all about doing these in VPS that your minimum viable product. Okay. And so, you know, you basically do like the minimum so it's sort of like a test and fail thing. Okay, so see. See if it works. You know, what have you got to lose like there's no point. I literally was going to go and guns blazing look at properties and France by it. You know. Wow like big picture. Here we go. I'm sorry my princess would ready. Yeah, I really was and it's funny because I'm like, I'm such a big picture like dream big if you can dream it. You can do it like in those I literally would have that on my screen saver on my laptop. Yeah, if you can dream it you can do it. I wish it as well. Yeah, I was so down for that. I mean He's kind of growing up. I played a lot of competitive Sports and was like really really into like these kind of big motivational like like you have to have your bigger picture know what you working up to anything. So I completely appreciate like all this. Yeah, definitely, but then I guess I got talking to a few people. Yeah that had actually had that experience and then they were like, well, you know, okay, that's all well and good great that you're they have these dreams. But really you need to test it to see if it's going to work first and that's sort of what Was I okay go so I rented out this room for a couple of hours at the bridge gym. And so it was called sweats in learn and whatever sweats and learn. So yes, we are. Yes then and then you learn okay. So the sweet part was doing like a hit workout. Yeah. So that was a fake Kevin McCallister who's become a really good friend and he's just like he's a really nice guy. He's actually a while being Coach as well. Okay, and he's also the while being coach and fitness instructor at stay off it he's just like, you know, and someone just got like really good vibes and you're like, yep, I like him. Yeah good even Jay. He's not like a twig transformation. He's more about like the sustainable lifestyle change, which I think is really really important. I was actually gonna that's one thing I do when I'm address of a laser. But yeah, I know. Yeah, so that is so here. That's what he's about even though he's you know also about like the adrenaline hit but that If it makes you feel good, right sure. So anyway, so we were doing the hip and then we did yoga with Victoria so I know they're so and she actually used to run creativemornings. Not sure if you're being there but that's another amazing community. And then we were doing the learning part was a nutritional Workshop. So we had Kathy Williams talking about got house and how that can affect us and like a stress and now and like it's like with brain health. It's all like, Interlinked and things. So anyway, so it was sort of this sort of three-part morning and then everyone like seemed to really enjoy it and I was like a sellout of Ian and I just loved it. I don't care. Of course at first I was like so nervous. I was like, oh shit, like I was like, I don't know how this is gonna go like this is like really big. You know, whenever anything is that your first day. You just don't know you're like, oh my gosh, what if it doesn't work? What if I can't remember what to say? What if I don't know what to think of it everything they go wrong. Yeah, but it went really well and I was like really vibing off it like I always did knowingly buzzing and I was like this must be like this must be where I meant to be like actually like in your element like my element and I was like, hmm. So could you explain a bit more about kind of what your event is kind of when it is how you kind of got there who else is getting involved? Sure. I understand and yes, I basically what the event is so it's no blow yoga. And I always have to clarify that for people. So yes, no glow Yeah Yeah. So basically what it is is it's all about body positivity and female empowerment. Yeah, and the night will look very much like, you know, so Laura felon who's a body image coach and eating disorder specialist. So she'll be there like talking to us all and sharing her journey of self love and light what she's been through and just giving us tools and tips. The traps to live like happy healthy lives and just actually like body acceptance. So anyway, so she's going to be talking about that and she'll be leading Us in and I'm dressing and then we'll be painted up and UV body paint. Yeah, which is just something that is a real reflection that we are literally living works of art and I think it's so easy to forget that and like, you know, we are also unique and we so different and I think that's so beautiful. I think there's absolutely nothing wrong with that and it's it's so frustrating to see that there is so much like fat shaming and body shaming you know with that. So anyway this the event new glow yoga is all just about embracing your uniqueness and it's you know, you're going to be surrounded with like by a whole bunch of real woman with real bodies, you know, and I think that nude aspect as a real It's a real way of actually embracing you and your War State. Yeah, because you can't be wearing a push-up bra or a tummy sucking I don't least Yandex, you know, it's like it's you and in all your raw Beauty and I think just allowing women the opportunity to embrace that I think is a really powerful thing and then we'll also be doing yoga which will be like a really empowering. Powering flow to just and yet having these poses that you feel like yes. I'm actually incredible. My body can do amazing thing and I think we too often actually forget that yeah, like, you know, I did a Half Marathon this year and I'm like, oh my God, my body is incredible that it's like 21k running non-stop. I'm like a big thing for me, you know, but even just You know the fact that we can like that we can like hug people and yeah, like all that we can do with our hands and create art and it's just with so our bodies are so amazing and I think we actually I think we just need to remember that more often. And so this evening is a real reminder that we are so unique and so beautiful and like so blessed to have these functioning bodies. Yeah that can do so much for us and it's just a in a way. It's like showing gratitude and just in a fun and creative way, you know, like I said, like I say, it's it's not super serious. It's just like I really want women to just have fun and just remember that like moving their body feels good. Yeah and just being surrounded by a whole lot of positivity. Yeah. So yeah, that's sort of what the event is dying to self. Ominous is truly amazing, I think. It's especially in this kind of societal climate. I suppose you could say is that's a really big really big kind of message to spread. I really an important message to spread as well as yeah, of course this event is focused for women only but I mean it's for like men as well. There's kind of something you can take from that as well. Well, it's funny actually because I got an email from a guy through Eventbrite and he said oh is this For men as well, even though it obviously Spears on the blue. Yeah, and he see I think you should make it. You know that men are included. Yeah, and actually I've had other men that have said I would love to go to this. Yeah, and so it's something I'm keeping in the back of my mind, you know, like but how to how that would actually work. Yeah, you know, that would be a whole another thought but for now, I'm just focusing on the woman and your to be a safe place. Yeah, obviously, you know, there is a lot of I don't know if there's a hot there's a whole whole nother topic when is this event? And where is it and where can people get tickets for it? All right. So so it's at the Ministry of Sound which is an awesome club. I'm pretty sure like everyone knows about Ministry of Sound Club and it's like their music is like renowned worldwide. Yeah, so it's a real honor to be there. It's huge for us as well at Sell it so it's like oh my God, it's super exciting. So anyway, so it's at Ministry of Sound which is embarrassed. Yeah and so much Thursday night the 29th of August at the end of this month and it's 6:30 to 9:30 so they can get tickets going on a vent. But I believe going on a very bright and typing and no glow yogurt. Yeah. I'm almost certain that. It's like the first one that comes up. I mean, I kind of motion a lot of new glow yoga. Yeah. I'm pretty sure I'm quite unique you guys. Yeah, I feel like this is the thing. I was like I've never seen this before I've seen, you know and glow yoga, but you're so close and you put it's like somebody paints like on your arm so sure face but never actually know so that's a whole new elements. I've never seen that before and I've seen naked jogger, but there's no like David actually kind of silly. Yes. I love exactly I'll say oh, this is a very nice overlap. Like actually super Niche. But yeah really aligns with my values. I was like, wow, this would be a really cool thing to do. So. Yeah, and also if you can't find it there then even if you go on the Ministry of Sound Fitness events, okay, I'm paid. Yeah website and then Novo Yoga should be the one that comes up. Anyway, yeah or just on my Instagram babes balance. Yeah, and then if you follow the link in my bio, then you'll get to it that way so that way several different way. Yeah, I will put the link in the description of this. Glasses well, yeah find that it also known as That's so exciting and I can't wait to see here goes Yeah, you sort of be there - no. No, I think will be really interesting to see when people first get there being kind of bit nervous kind of like not showing how it goes and see how it transformed and become a law. Comfortable and then how they feel when they leave. Yeah, and just how it'd be interesting to kind of just like do a little I got how you feeling for how you feeling after its kind of just get rid of yeah because they're just the I think it's just that's definitely like a comfort zone that a lot of people would not be like, yeah, like a lot of people would not be comfortable with pushing out of that comfort zone. Yeah, and I think it's one of those it's quite liberating that as soon as you kind of push out that you're like, oh, it's actually not bad. Yeah, it's funny isn't it? And they actually have been like a number of people that have approached. Been through it like really nervous about it and even had friends that they have booked tickets, but they just like Todd like this is really out of my comfort zone and one girl. It's it was actually on her before 30th bucket list. I really trust like that's a really cool idea for 30th. Oh my God, I need to get on to that one more yet again, and I was like, oh I really like that. So anyway, he doing nude. Yoga is on her for 30th. But less so she's like I'm I'm super nervous, but I'm gonna do it and I'm like, that's awesome because I really believe that there is going to be something powerful happening. Yeah, and the evening where women will actually feel that body confidence boost. And yeah, I know there are some women that don't even like getting changed and you know, the gym changing rooms are rather just go straight home because they don't want to get node in front of other woman and like for me I'm like that such a shame like it's just shouldn't be like that. Like we should be proud of our bodies like regardless of any so So called floors or what shape and size and color and all this and whether we'd have a wax or not. You know, that's actually another big one. Yeah asking me I'm like, I'm like babe. I think it's okay. Well I was going to ask about these are kind of questions if you get because I mean as long as that like it is what it was really like you go there because it's like, okay. This is you and your natural self. But also you're like, let me present myself in a certain way and it's like, where's that line between actually no just come like shove like however it is all you. To present yourself. Yes. I've literally said I've seen her number of girls. You know, I like don't even worry about getting away. Like this isn't something you're doing for show. This is the perfect opportunity for you to embrace your natural state. Yeah, and like who says that you need to be waxing, you know, like that's all a personal preference, of course and again at the sort of a whole nother thing about shaving and it's actually quite it's trending at the moment. It's my Moment for women and I don't know if you've seen it but for women to not be shaving and the underarms, I don't know if you've seen that. Okay? Yeah, but also like their legs and so when he said I don't need this, you know, so we're trying to save and I've actually seen it organic Basics. So they have also got models that have got like here I am puts. Yeah, and I might awesome. I think it's great and I think we need to see more diversity in the media and advertising. It's with mottos, you know, and I'm like I know there's it's slowly but surely happening, but I'm like man, it could happen faster and it would be awesome because I feel like it's sewn as woman are if they if they can really connect and see themselves with someone in from you know, a model or someone in the news or whoever it might be if they're like, yeah, I really see myself as that figure or that shape or whatever it might be. B and that's okay, they're accepting themselves and it almost gives them the permission. Yeah to love themselves and have the acceptance for their own body as well. And there are quite a number of women that actually doing that, you know, like Megan crab whose body posi Panda. She's like huge about late body positivity and like, you know Brandi Gordon and there are just so many woman that and even Laura felon who is our body image coach. So, you know, they're all incredible woman that are Embracing yeah bodies and like giving other people permission to do the same giving them the power to do so as massive element, like once you've gotten kind of wind that power back. Yeah exactly. I can probably like feeds off to like lose it at different areas of your life as well. Yeah, because I think who sit, you know, just going back to the wax and but who says that like being you know being Heelys is sexier or that's the way that Society is shaped us. And so then we've sort of felt okay being here less and being with in is and being lighter and being I don't know more tanned or whatever. It might be. That's more beautiful and that's more sexy, but it's like I don't think that's true at all. I don't think shape is like being a size 8 is necessarily what you should be aiming for, you know, I think it's you know to be thin isn't doesn't equate to being sexy. Yeah and to being hairless doesn't equate to that. You know, like I think six is an attitude. Okay, I like that. Yeah, and it's you know, because then that's not just it's because it's also to do with your your mental well-being and how you perceive yourself how you perceive life. And so there's wrapped up. Yeah a lot with in there. But anyway, that's that's sort of like I could go down that rabbit hole. But yeah, that's don't even know how we got there. But yeah, just about any way so people coming along. You know don't even worry about getting it works don't like whatever it is that you feel most yourself and your natural state. It's like come along. Yeah, I'm like, well, I haven't shaved my legs for weeks now. So initiation is initiation don't like no hair from like the neck. Own money to my legs were so smooth is amazing. Like I was just like growing back was so itchy. So yeah, I have heard guys say that about like that because it like gets a virgin's like pro cyclist as well. They always take the legs off. Yeah Transformers. It's like my best friend's husband. He's a pro cyclist. Yeah, and so he's always got like super super smooth. I'm sure my legs are dead. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, but who decided that it's kind of unfair? Yeah, why do we have to shape and guys are fine. This isn't fair. But like, you know with like it is it is true like who decided a lot of things like being a certain shape or 60 or you know, because it changes all the time. I was even thinking about eyebrow shapes the other day how be like really thin eyebrows used to be in. Yeah. Yeah and then I was like, okay, it's like, you know now it's sort of a lot thicker. Yeah, and actually I've seen recently how it looks it's almost like the feathery unplucked look the okay coming back in now, right? So there's always these Trends and I'm like God if you always trying to just match whatever the trend is, this is exhausting. That's I think that's such a big thing like to say as well as more Is it yeah, if you're gonna have to keep up with like the trend of what's in at a time when you're guessing like changing in order to like stick to what some random person decides what like desire what is desirable or not. Then you just like never because it conflicts changes. You never going to be satisfied then like the goalposts are constantly moving. Yeah, and it's just there's no there's no end point which I know this is like a massive statement, but I can same way that a lot of like marketing and a lot of like companies if they do kind of advertising and They're not necessarily that represented that they really back they base it on the fact that people are not comfortable themselves. Yeah, therefore therefore if we if you're not comfortable Yourself by this product and you'll feel better. Yeah. Oh by this is like changer like do this hairstyle. You'll feel better about yourself. Yeah. Go. Join this I know this club would like to society you feel better by yourself and it's like it's always this is you're not good enough, but this is how you can be better. Yeah, and I think that that kind of mindset kind of just been like drilled in. Yeah then and it's one of those that's That which I think it comes on like four guys as well. I mean there's loads of different situations like this is like the ultimate band alpha male. This is like what you should be aspiring to and for a lot of people it's not even I mean, there's like there's like a subset of the population who can potentially achieve that and also the elements of yeah, if you try hard enough then like you can do it that but if your if your drive is to be that yeah, and then yeah you like 1% of the population. Hey, I like books or is it for tomatoes right or like this big deal? Oh black. Yeah, honestly, that's the thing and then it's got has I mean like at least like a person as well in terms of I think body image stuff as well as my experience with it there. I think that there's always like you can do better. There's never like an endpoint as like, this is good enough because then there will always be someone who's like just like a bit more like tone a bit bigger. But yeah, there's always someone there's always someone else's a bit more something. Yeah, and then also kind of moving to to the UK from like South Africa like this seems like such a petty thing but like universities are completely look weird culture in terms of where there's this like I'm pulling mentality of yeah, and then and then that kind of like infiltrates in terms of what now, if you're not pulling then you're not desirable and therefore what do I need to change and they're like you're competing with all these different people from all over the like yeah completely different like body shapes and sizes and then it's like oh, yeah, you're not tall enough nothing. I fear not this enough. Yeah, and then I think it kind of works. Because it's a weird mentality that like males kind of adopt. Yep. That's I think it's all part of like adolescence, isn't it? Is that whole like, you know, you look at the media and you're like, oh well there, you know and then you like he say, oh, you need to be like six foot and yeah, it muscles like is a guy or like as a girl might be like, you know to be big Buster - yeah, but to have a thin waist to make maybe a perky ass, you know, like whatever it might be, you know, and then that's what you see in the media on this ads and And you know with all these like models or whatever and then so that's what you aspire to but then the thing is is like a sort of how I say. It's like, well you slowly learn that actually and like your attitude and who you are is the sexiest thing kind of like, yeah, but I think it's definitely started with marketing. Oh, yeah. Just having a little rant about yeah. I was that I can't remember what food festival it was. But anyway, this girl tried to she was you know, I think it was some sort of Bridgette Crespo something and she was saying as a good guilt free snack and I'm thinking I don't have guilt when I eat. Yeah like yes, and you know, there's like all this labeling and I'm like you just need to stop that right now. Yeah, like why so you're insinuating that I should have guilt when I'm eating. Yes, you know, and I'm like that's such a negative way of putting it and looking at it and I think a lot of the it's I think you know it is It is these companies. Yeah actually responsible when we need to hold them responsible Joe the fact that they are making us feel guilty. Like, oh I should be actually eating this next because it's like guilt-free when it's like no, do you know what you could eat? I I would have like dark chocolate. Yeah, not every day. But now on then and I know people do have it every day and I'm like, that's fine. It's not like you're going to eat the whole block. It's all about like mindful eating and that's again, you know when you're actually Conscious of what you're eating? Yeah. No, I mean I got it's definitely like really important. I think it's just like a whole narrative that you build around it because if you if you if you're building this whole kind of this this idea of you're only doing it because you like you okay the motivation for why you do something shouldn't be guilt. Yeah. It should be I'm doing this because I enjoy like I'm not rushing you. Yeah, it's good for you. I'm going for a run because I enjoy going for a run not because like a shit like any girlfriend. I'm like, I'm such a slob. Yeah kind of like this like like I just had like a whole pizza last night. I didn't run it off kind of thing. Yeah, and it's like no like honestly eat your pizza go for your I'm like Andre like do the most Um, yeah. So basically I think you sort of had talked about, you know, the impact across culture in ages and things like that. And I think it's actually really interesting. There was a gives a Harvard study in Fiji quite some years ago. I think one night 1993 or something like that anyway, so I have done the study and basically since the introduction of TV's teenagers and women have actually started to have body confidence issues and whereas previously they didn't and they were all set now. They're all saying that they think they're too fat. They're too big and I'm like that just breaks my heart that like again just taking it back to like, what are we allowing an hour mind? Yeah, you know and I'm like where is in the Fijian culture? It was actually like The guy and robust was seen as strong and it was seen as a positive thing. Yeah, we're sort of I guess in the more withstand world. It's like no you want to be like a size 8 or whatever like small and petite but then still with big boobs and a big butt. And so how do you win a that's yeah because definitely like across cultures. Yeah. No, that's really interesting. Yeah, and I think what that reminded me of is even in I don't want to say I don't remember exactly which African culture this is but I mean the same way that a larger women are seen as more desirable. Yeah that I think the Caribbean I think yeah, and then I think once you kind of break it down or at least this is explanation of any to find the exact the exact Source, but I think the idea was that because you're more resourceful and you're more like you're part of like a normal family, especially in the area where like food is scarce for instance then obviously if you're bigger, it means you've got more resource more power. So your Kind of desirable. Yeah, I'm in that element. So this is like it's like a screwing likes crony. Yeah person in comparison. Yeah, and so probably similarly in Fiji and culture but possibly and then what does that mean in terms of like that's the other thing like we were like our kind of westernize approach we have to go and like tell everyone about like no. No, this is what you should be aiming for. This is what everyone wants but then I don't know. There's also like a whole like element of I reckon this will be a part of like on this whole kind of Damsel in Distress. Yes, you need to be smaller smaller scale. So like some like big I can come save you and then like yeah, I do. That's more. Yeah, I like that's a narrative that people build and then definitely but like it's it's just so funny because it's like well, you know, like why why does it have to be the case, you know, and especially I mean especially now what worst like same-sex marriages and relationships and the whole lgbtq+. Yeah Community. It's Well, I think that's awesome to be breaking those sort of stereotypes and shaking it up and making us look at hang on. Why is this our narrative? Yeah. Why does the man have to be the one that's like super strong and super bath and like tall and whatever it is, you know, and then why is it the woman has to be like small, you know, and like like I was mentioning with the Fijian culture actually, you know that I think it was the like a model. And she was saying that you know, it's actually again much more desirable to be bigger because if you're if you're thinner you're saying is weak. Yeah, and it's like it is just interesting like where you're getting your information from sure that one point HC did want to say and I think it's potentially like quite controversial. Yeah, you know is that people talk about like and I don't know if you recently saw but there is like the whole Nike The whole Nike scandal with viewers, which ones like last. Yeah. Well, oh, yeah that size models. And you saw that yeah, and it was I just can't believe the amount of hate there was for this mannequin. Yeah, it was plus-size I think size 20 or something. Yeah, and then it was like people getting up in arms like you're promoting a be City and you're like this woman wouldn't even be able to run and I might Jeepers like all these nasty fat shamers just coming out of the Woodworks and I was like that is not cool. You know, it's also so not true. Like that's such a narrow way of looking at it because I actually I actually think that you're much better to be living like a really like if you're genuinely happy fulfilled and satisfied with your life. Yeah. I think you're better to be, you know, all of those. Is and to be overweight. Yeah, which again might might be controversial to a lot of people in the fitness industry. Yeah, but I think you'll beat it to have all of that then to be deeply dissatisfied really miserable and unhappy and yet be a size 8 and tones yet have the perfect everything. Yeah, if you're unhappy what is the plane like a ginger? I'm just like this. So it's so funny that we put so much emphasis on being this. Excise and shape and looking a certain way. Yeah and yet if that's compromising our happiness then what's the point and actually Tamarind Brown bramford. She's an Australian and she's done a documentary called Embrace and he sort of embrace. Yeah or embrace you and and anyway, she's just she did this before and after and her you know, and you've seen the before and after photos, right you people before where it's like before they're, you know size. And then after be like a size 8, yeah, but hers was actually before she was a size 8 and then after she was I think she's maybe a size 14. Yeah, and that was her before-and-after. Okay, and it was such a different spin on it. Yeah, and it went viral and now she's created documentary out of it and and it's gaining this huge momentum and it's actually like become a worldwide movement now of just woman actually being like yeah, like what's to say that actually when your size 8 you're happy and she was just You saying that like she became a she was doing like bodybuilding and things and she was like, I'm in the best physical shape that I've ever been in. Yeah, but I'm also deeply unhappy and I just couldn't I can't continue this. I'm thinking every moment about I'm counting calories. I'm thinking about what I'm eating. I'm exercising like crazy. Like it consumes my mind. I am so unhappy and she's just like it's not worth it. Yeah, and so now she's just like she's living It's really fulfilled life. Yeah, and she's sharing her love and her body acceptance with other people. Yeah, and I think that that's like really beautiful and I think it's I mean obviously like, you know, I think you can have both. Yeah, but I think it's a real beautiful thing to actually be really expecting it to break the mold into the obstetric accepting of who you are like, maybe you're born bigger bones. Yeah. Or smaller bones, you know for everybody as well both ways. It's like oh you're too thin. You should eat more kind of thing. You need a sandwich. Yeah. Yeah exactly. I've never had that problem. Like I can put on as much weight as you people or like or so on and then exactly what you said like some people just born different and you're like, okay. This is now everyone needs to like fit into this prototype and then just like there's no way you could do that because there's so many variations of what everyone imagine everyone is exactly the same. How boring would that be? Yeah time and this is what I always say, I'm like if everyone's like Cookie Cutter Ripley, yeah. Oh my God because I can I like that. Yeah, so boring. Yeah. I might I love the diversity and that's like, you know, it's like you've got curly hair. Here, it's different. Like Brendan's blond like wavy come here. Yeah, and it's like that I think differences keep it so interesting and keep it beautiful and different like store actives as well. Because if everyone just if everyone was just the same narrative everyone just like like Jimmy LeBlanc repeat and then but like on from buying driven from a negative place of motivation, then you're just like everyone's just saying it's like you just kind of going around in circles. Yeah. Not because it's about with the with the Nike mannequin story. That was I was I saw on Twitter and I was kind of scrolling through the comments and then like the thing is like it's there's Twitter and then you go through the comments and then like you just got like extremes. You haven't got the people who are just like so far again something. Yeah, you just like you're so how do you think like that? How do you think that that way and still go? Let me put this out in public because I think other people and then sometimes I controversial things get like a lot of like response you just like that see many people that shouldn't be A agreeing with us. Yeah one common was like what do you someone they put that up and they're like, oh, yeah. No, this is promoting like obesity or whatever and then someone was like what what do you think people of this eyes are going to like Jim in like, yeah. Well you think I'm gonna go to the giving Jean j like you need to make it for them so that they can wear something to go to the gym. I know and you're just like, what do you think? Oh, you are like the only make it this size because you can't gym until you decide but I'm like, I'm gonna run around in jeans until I get to that point then I can like then I qualify. Yeah, and just like I know it's a process that's like the whole thing was just so mind-boggling. I was just thinking like I like he's houses like well, what are they mean to be hearing exactly. I'm like, they're just trying to support woman. Yeah of every shape and size. Yeah good on them, you know, and then yeah and then like if for them yeah, like you said if they're happy with himself, that's the worst thing people like people can't stand people who are happy like and comfortable with them. Yeah, especially if they're saved I felt fit this mold then and they like you feel that you have some you can like dig at them for something and they don't retaliate then but that's funny when people aren't comfortable in their own exactly. They need to bring someone else down. Yeah, and then and but like a really and that like just eats him up inside. They're like, oh you're like that you're happy. But like you should be happy because of this. I just like listen like there's no firstly that like you just said if I'm completely happy there's nothing like you don't I don't need to change for your because what you've told me. Yeah, because I'm your insecurities. And it's and it goes like but like both ways. I that's what I think a lot of these comments are from and then yeah, not just like oh like women should be this men should be this is like know just like do what like no like according to him because I like literally everyone has their own kind of like different preferences. Everyone has a different Comfort levels and all that kind of stuff and if you're just happy if you just like comfortable then yeah, there you go. You've reached it and how to do with it though, like because obviously there's the whole like Fitness thing because I'm I really enjoy working out. Yeah. In because for me like I love nature and so I really value hiking and that's what makes me truly happy and feel truly fulfilled as when I go hiking and I can be in the nature, but I've actually got overweight free and I've got a friend in particular she's overweight and you know, because whenever she's gone for a hike she's had real real ankle issues knee issues back issues. And so she stopped hiking. Yeah, and I thank God that Breaks my heart because that's stopping her doing something that she loves ya. So in that sense. Yes, when it gets to a point where you're you know where your weight is actually inhibiting you yeah from doing what you really love and feeling fulfilled. Yeah. Well, then you're neither you're not you're not winning view. Yeah, I mean because if you're feeling really dissatisfied, it's like Okay cool. So then you can you know, then maybe that's the time where it is good to address it. Yeah that you can actually live this like four. Feel like yeah for sure. But again, it's not to focus on like, oh, you've got to be a certain shape to be happy, you know, maybe someone actually generally couldn't give two craps about going out liking and then find that's that's not their own. Yeah, that's not their agenda. So that's that's totally fine. But I think efforts stopping you then that's the time where you know, it's good to look at it and to have your own personal goals like yes, I like Snow glow yoga, so I actually started with the idea. You know, I like a really wanted because all of my events, you know, I'm like, oh, I want them to be like fun and creative and to just create this magical experience for woman sure, and you know, like and clear who's a good friend of mine actually met her last year and you know, she's just like one of those too. She's just one of those people that you're like love her energy. Yeah connect with her so much like such a good vibe and she's just got so much love and time for people. Yeah, and and I was like, yeah, we I definitely want to do something with their you know, and there are lots of people that I'm like wow vehicle. I needed some how ya going because I was like, I don't actually know like, you know in terms of like where the idea came from. Yeah. It's just thinking I really want to With her, you know something to do with body painting something to do with Fitness, you know, and like exploring our like our bodies and ask that like, oh, you know just almost like created this event because I really wanted to work with her. Okay because she is so awesome and she's doing such incredible things as value know. She's painting 365 woman and 365 days. So this is and clear and you know, and she's got This real passion and it's like woman that are you know, that might have cancer or they've had different Eating Disorders or they've been scarred or different disabilities. So she's painting all these woman with all these incredible stories that's amazing and it's so beautiful and you're just like, wow, you know when you just say inspired by someone and you're just like, okay. I've got to work with you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I'm gonna make it happen. Posture posture. Yeah, it's like well, what do you think about no glow yoga? Like I know it's kind of crazy. Right? Like do you think people would go for it? And she's like, oh my God, I love it. You know, she's like, we're going to find a way to make it happen, you know, and it just like it's sort of like grow because I was thinking oh, it's such a different concept, you know, like should we start doing it small and then actually kind of grew into something bigger and well actually it would be so cool to do this. Us a like I think there's something really powerful. Yeah in a big group of women where you feel like there's more there's more women to be bouncing it energy off, you know, and it's like well, we're all in this together. I think there is something really powerful and that so I'm really excited to see what it looks like as well II can't yeah. Yeah, we're like doing all the prep now and I had a pain testing day this week with anchor. I think I saw that on your Instagram. Yeah. It was just so it was just so much fun. You know, like of course it lying. She's just finding I mean as a caveat they will be like people will be wearing underwear. So it's not like fully fully made but you know, it's like something that is super different. You know, it's not something you do, you know and your everyday and I think it's it's an awesome opportunity for people to do something that is outside of their comfort zone and to really push themselves and experience something that that is really unique and it's going to give them these long-term benefits rather than another night of drinking. Do you know what I may or like another, you know the same old yoga class. It's like this is something super different. Yeah, but it's going to leave you with maybe your you know, you feel empowered to wear the bikini to the beach for the first time in a long time. Maybe you've only worn a one piece because or maybe you've not even gone to the beach because you've been so embarrassed and you know, I I want women that have had breast cancer to be there. You know, they might have one boob. Honestly that would warm my heart so much for them to be there and to just see women of every shape and size actually represented and the glow yoga. Yes. So that's really my that's like my real heart for no glow. Yoga is just that everyone and anyone feels comfortable and even people that are new to yoga. You know, it's like yeah. Well, yeah, we've got to have a DJ and so, you know, she'll be doing like this also having this really incredible empowering set where she's taking us on this journey because I think music is super powerful and it actually Really draws people together and it's actually there's been multiple studies that have shown that you know, when you when you're playing live music with a room full of people and you're all you actually have this real sense of connection. Okay, and it's actually quite cool like this happening in the brain like your brain. Your chemicals are all aligned. Right? Do you feel this community? And I think it is like this this connection and I think I'm really excited to see ya what it's going to what it's going to look like. Like so yeah, I'm like hope that you know, everyone just has an incredible time and I think May well it's going to be a night to remember. That's for sure. Yeah. It's so exciting. I'll definitely be putting like the links in the bayou and sharing that I'm around as well with it when the episodes finished too. Yeah, and I'll keep you in the loop. Yeah, that's truly amazing. It's also like The cool thats how you've brought lots of different people in from different areas to work together on like this whole like bring this episode together. So it's not just so you've got like your element of the fitness you got someone else in the painting someone else doing the body positivity. Yeah. I'm gonna like a DJ I guess just like loads of people coming together with a similar mindset similar attitude and it's like creating such a unique event as well. Yeah, so and I think that's also what I like I think people being exposed to that then I'm sure people who show up would be like, how can I get involved as well? They've got their own elements to as well. They Can ya that's easily and London is full of so many talented. Yeah inspiring people and I just get such a buzz of meeting them and I am always like so excited to see what what talents people have. Wow, it never ceases to amaze me know. I mean even I had no idea with you that you know, when we were chatting and having a good old. Yeah. Yeah, you know that you do podcasts and yeah, you know that this is a passion of yours back on this has been It's awesome. Yeah to be a part of it and to just chat. I think you can have so much like this so many interesting conversations to be had and you know, yeah, thank you so much for joining me in this podcast. I'm Brianna said so much fun recording this. Yeah. I'm so looking forward to kind of going through a listen to her back and like playing around.

For this episode I had the absolute pleasure of sitting down with Becky Heineke, founder of the fitness and well-being events company, Babes Balanced. We had a really interesting conversation about her upcoming event, Nude Glow Yoga (yes, that's correct!) as well as the importance and empowerment that comes with body positivity. Have a listen to find out more about what inspired her to create this event, find more details about the event, as well as hearing our thoughts on the attitudes towards body image in this day! We'd love to hear your thoughts and feedback. To keep up with her incredible work, upcoming events, and all the wonderful people she mentioned, please follow the links below: Nude Glow Yoga 29th August at Ministry of Sound https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/nude-glow-yoga-tickets-63250642374?aff=LMF SailFit Retreat 28th Sept - 1st Oct Turkish Riviera  https://babesbalanced.com/ Instagram Follow my journey @babesbalanced Anne-Claire Body Painting Artist https://anneclairefleer.com/ Laura Phelan Body image coach + eating disorder specialist http://www.phelanwell.com/ You are a Badass by Jen Sincero https://jensincero.com/shop/#product=product-yaaba Documentary: Embrace  Taryn Brumfitt founder of Body Image Movement https://bodyimagemovement.com/embrace/ Escape The City Start up Accelerator course https://www.escapethecity.org/ Megan Crabbe aka @bodyposipanda Body Positivity Queen + instagrammer http://www.bodyposipanda.com/p/about-me.html Music: Retro 80's Funky Jazz-Hop Instrumental (Copyright Free) Music - Sundance Remix https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hbnMgHgZfs

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I want to go to Texas because I'm pairing a lot of fun things are happening. You can be in the middle of the desert and still wake up and had a fun night. I like the whisper Jim. Well, you know, I can couldn't hear me. Apparently that didn't happen for we'll talk about it. I'm Jim Alexander. Welcome to the Roswell New Mexico after show. Let me introduce you to my panel to the left. I'm sorry Solis and I'm mr. George Khoury. That's right, George. Wow. We have a lot to talk about tonight that takes us Adventures here in Roswell. We're out of New Mexico were in for a night in Texas. Right? What do you guys think about that pisode for me a little lackluster, but I do think it was a good build-up for a few episodes to come. Okay for Zuri it was lackluster, but for mr. George Khoury it was a lot of Confrontation and ice-breaking and I enjoyed that about this episode. I thought it was a good one. I finally like that. They left their surroundings is always in Roswell always in New Mexico. We finally left Bottom road trip. We went out of A and there's a lot of different relationships being kind of built on this trip. It was almost like a like a getaway vacation right? There were bonding. I don't like that's what happened. A lot of pounded me of my youth my youth group Camp trips. I don't George. I hope you didn't have these overnights and that Maria and Michael had in this episode, but the point of this trip we're gonna we're going to start with that was for Max. To find out the reason behind a symbol and there was apparently a fortune teller out in Texas and that's why they ventured out there and they really didn't get the answers today. No, no. No, although I was convinced in the beginning with the Healer when I saw the orange glow emitting from the Palm I said, oh my gosh, this is alien number four, but then we saw the electronics exposed so major letdown, but everything serves his purpose. It looks like they were led to something what Is we're not quite sure yet with the mom the mom Arizona's mom knows something. That's my flag is lackluster bill. This is a dead end and I matter of like 30 minutes, but it wasn't a dead end because it was a trip. It was just the reason to get them out there. And I know they kind of went on their own and they ironically met up each other with with Liz and Maria go on there and then Max and Michael, but we know everywhere Max's murder and Liz's you know, so that That just happens all the time, but I think this trip really linked a lot of these people together in a lot of ways and I thought it made Max and Liz stronger and then we saw Michael and Maria. I just thought that true Miracle. Oh, you're shitting that I will get to that. But you know when they're all on a trip, there's a bigger investigation going back in town back in Roswell. Yeah. We have the first encounter between my boy Kyle and my girl Jenna and then Alex is in a mix and they are figuring things out. What did you guys think? I thought that was like the big part of the show. I mean we kind of had the romance and like the connections out in Texas, but all the dirty work was getting done back in Roswell. Absolutely. I feel like when we found out that Kyle's dad has something to do with hiding the bodies that was like I'm excited to find out what's going to happen with that because why would he want, you know, like why would he want to hide, you know Zuri I'm wondering if that is factual or that is a perception right now because I still have the mantle of his dad being the good guy okay of the show. So I'm also curious if he did hide the bodies but it also seemed like later his own death was staged. So as someone also framing him, but that was a good question to have before we even delve into this the relationship between my guy Kyle and Jenny. He was just so I mean it was testy from the start like they were just going at each other because obviously Jenna was there with Alex and there are kind of he finally in a sense revealed to her the information he had because she last we saw of her she was supposed to be working for sergeant main, you know, and while he's away she was supposed to be doing his work and taking care of business for him, but she quickly turned on him. Were you guys surprised on Jenna's quick te mediator? Turn on Sergeant Mains. I was I think Jenna's a liability just because she's like your dad's framing me and she just keeps throwing it around. She's going to get herself caught there's going to breathe be extra eyes around because I think she's a liability. She's got a lot in steak dough with her sister definitely is a liability during because she's an outsider. She's she was one of the people who didn't know about the alien stuff happening now she does so bringing someone new in is always a risk and I was surprised The Terran gym because I wasn't expecting her to turn on Maine's because we saw her stand up for the do so I thought she had a higher level of respect. But boy went what this show in Roswell teaches us when you go at somebody's sister. When you go out someone's sister, they came after lizza sister. They came after Maxis insert now they're going after her sister and we've seen this pattern. She's willing to fight for her sister's life. And that is why I believe she can Can be trusted in this mix, I believe that too because the first time now we can see that her priorities. We weren't sure what her priorities were. Like, is it her Allegiance kind of like to Maine in a lot of ways but it's all about her sister. It's not about Max and their friendship or semi relationship. It's all about her sister. So she knows deep down inside enough that Maine's can't really be trusted even if she did have respect. So I feel that her turning to Alex. And she's observed enough to kind of know from the outside. She isn't close to any of these people, but I think she knows that the guy that's not around can't really help her, you know deal with the situation. He's the one opposing the threat. So you sit like she said like sorry you said that she doesn't have any ties to any one side. That's why I think she's a liability because she doesn't have any loyalty. So just hypothetically should an outsider come and say hey give me this information I'll do so and so for your sister should easily turn do you think She's gonna turn now on Alex and I got like you said anything to protect her sister. So I think she that's why I don't really trust her. Mmm, so she has no loyalty to anyone. That's a good point. So in the event that she does turn. Is there a way for her to turn on them and still not trigger mains. It's just she able to play Both Sides. No, that's a dangerous game. That's a damn for Jenna to be on outside. I think listen, I think she knows that Alex is the one that can actually help her and in stopping Mains. The sister situation is solved in that that way. So as long as Mains is around he's got the power in a sense and manipulation to manipulating her into you know, threatening her sister again, or maybe not Living up to his promise Mega means cannot be trusted of all people. I think Alex is a much safer bet to trust then Mains would be yeah, and then the other question for her is what about Max? We know they hooked up do we know if she has feelings for him? It's deeper than that. So that's going to be a new motives. You got the feelings for Max. So now maybe but we had that reveal they have we finally found out the reason the grand wizard know he's an alien. So maybe she still is going to try and protect Max's interest even though he running off with Lee's sisters our priority. Yeah has to be right. Yeah. Did you see like, what would you I mean that what would you do if it this way hook that hard gulp when she finds. Wow this guy. I've been like spearing having experiences with as an alien. Heyo me Jenna knows how how good of an experience disappointing one in that case. So now maybe she's like, oh wow, that was an alien and that's what I got or Okay that I get that now the Kama Grand wizard. So maybe there's something good in a lot of ways that whole situation dealt was interesting. I felt like this was a new Coalition a new group forming and it's the group of humans, right? Because it's the group of humans and the ones that don't have a direct allegiance to to aliens because you know, when we look at Liz she has a direct Allegiance kind of to Max in a lot of ways or connection there. They're kind of the outside. So I know you can say Michael potentially with with Alex, you know, that's a connection but he doesn't know he's an alien that that's the difference until at least for a week. Yeah, but with that but I felt this was like The Outsiders group forming together into this investigation and if anyone is objective enough from that whole kind of group of everyone then this would be the three that would be the most objective in a sense because they're not directly tied as much. The others are right. I feel like there's a chance that Noah could join this Coalition you speak of they're all will get them. I think are definitely could be that member before we get out of our members. We have members that watch at home SRI. Can you tell them what they should be watching out for? Hey guys. Thanks for making us the ESPN of TV talk. 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She was Arizona that we learned her name is so she's a scam artist basically, but her mother isn't quite that at least her mother has some information. What did you guys think about the information? She provided Max and an exchange that he was willing to listen Max was giving it up right there use throwing down the most $300. His belt his jacket he wants in fall and he got some info. Would you guys think of the info he got the info is very important. It's important because now we know that Max Michael and Isabel Are Not Alone, we are suspecting a fourth alien and knowing that there's a history that there's something outside of the pods was dynamic because now we're also suspecting the fourth alien. So we're starting the See that there may be a community. They can reach out to they've only had each other so far and we have seen them feel isolated. But that was establishing that there is more out there. I'm not loving her news, but I did appreciate that want 20 years ago than the lady said I'm done here. The man has come or whoever has come. So I think that like really put some highlight on who exactly are Max. It's about and Michael. The information was indirect, but it was enough pieces from Max to take with and really give them a start. My immediate reaction was that their mother potentially because there's that whole kind of like, well, we were born 21 years ago right the time when she said they're about to come is that some sort of a mother figure or parental figure and some way to Max Isabel and Michael because the timeline it's like when this person Leaves they come in, right and that woman did say something like I didn't expected. Was that a shot at Max? Pretty much? Yeah. I felt that was a shock because I didn't expect you to being basically that but that I felt there were significant information here and definitely for us viewers. There's a lead now, right? We have a lead to some to Fourth and is the most information we had or concrete evidence on Another fourth alien are person that was around besides Max Isabel and Michael, right? And the only last piece of information. I was really hoping to find out when Max suggested that oh, he said she was drawing the sign all the time and she said no the sign was drawing itself something along the lines of that and I still I'm still wondering what is forcing people to draw this sign, but she's at the site even appeared in a spill like before she get a wipe it up. Yeah, not even Draw a get Drew in cell through itself manifesting. Yeah. What is the significance of it's killing me at this point. I need to know what's the sign made of from natural materials or object or what is creating this, you know even care about his tattoo like when she you know, I got that'll be like, oh my God. Yeah sure sign of God, and she's so underwhelmed by it seems like that's dedication. Yeah, like cool another stupid tattoo, you know, but yeah. She didn't really she was very unimpressed with everything. But at least she didn't take the money. I'll give her credit for that too. She's like why get a tattoo. Why get something to do a tattoo something that draws itself. She know something, you know something crazy. Yeah. And the thing is that person never spoke. I thought that was an interesting bit of information until the death, you know, so I don't like how many years was sheer out there. That's what I'm wondering that she get there. That's what I want to know. How did she get there another great question? Why didn't she speak until the last moment? You know, no one questioned like no one will sort of figure was this. Was it someone that was like revered in a lot of ways there's a lot of still backstory to this. We we don't know that the Peaks cure curiosity and So Many Loves did it fear of speaking because we've seen this Silence with the three siblings, you know, they're scared to talk almost because they don't want to reveal too much was this person alone and Arizona, so they're like I Can't tell my secret to no one because at least Max got two other aliens. Hmm. What did this person had? No other aliens. Yeah. Max is now remember Max is foster mom was shocked by how fast him and Isabel picked up the language. Remember that English good point. What if this person presumed alien didn't have that ability to even speak to even speak. Or catch up on the language or pick it up the way they did. That's good point George. Yeah, that's something we're getting more and more information. I think we're going down that path. It's another but I don't have any answers just questions. We don't another path that's been long taken and back and forth is Max and Lace. Yeah. This is a path that just being down it is it's a path that's been dug up and Pitch your feel the tension in this. Episode before the kiss. Yes, you felt the tension there was a tension build up there and there's like deaths involved and it was this beautiful moment and shout out to the camera crew who captured the like the hotel shots the back to pack and the DP the way they set up that organized. Yeah, geez that was fire. And and so this tension the way that contributed to the tension between them just that Visual and I'm I'm so relieved. I am so relieved. I almost you know, I just I was so scared that this was never going to happen this moment. We were going to come back to this moment. You mean the moment of the jalapeno room and and the fact that I thought it was be I was almost in tears with the fact that Liz basically forgave forgave Max. She finally finally finally let go of what she's holding onto and she sees the good in him. Okay. I thought it was over when she asked me. Max if he wanted to dance and he said no, I was like yeah, I at least Michael made the effort to go on a dance floor. He was pulled into it, but he tried Max that dude. You do not want to be at a party or a bar with him. Just snooze fast boredom. Didn't you try to sing to I think he'd try to utter if you didn't try he's saying Yo, Berea killed those vocals brain-dead is your well. Yeah. Marie has got it going on and she definitely but Max know this guy stay out of ours. All right, just stay out of Sarah. Karaoke nights. Are you? Okay jimin's are you a fan of? Okay. Are you fan of lemax now? No, but there's a but I will say tonight was the most significant I guess realistic kind of lovey-dovey Miss couple each type of thing to them that we've seen it was first time I could say that they were both on the same page mutually into each other and not tension-filled or any sort of clash or any anything undermines that was distracting them. They were just free and within each other the first time I think all season lock that they've been in that situation. Maybe it was the Texas thing. They're isolated. They're away. No one's around all the other sort of distractions are away and they actually had a moment in time for themselves. I was a fan of them, but I think every episode we literally get an up and a down. I'm going down the beaten path. Like I'm just psycho who got frosted. But I do like how he called out her faults and that was a good move. Yeah that whole thing. It might have drawn me back a little bit, but I'm kind of tired of the roller coaster ride. Yeah. That was Max finally kind of being you know, yes, sir. Great word for that because he's always like backtracking or just like pleasing heard every he's like the list pleaser of all things, you know, never always complimenting always is like nice guys. Don't get the girl Max and Finally when you laid some truth and you know, you weren't afraid to kind of Step Up to to her and to her level and a sense where you know, he's just always intimidated like he for finally wasn't intimidated by her. You know what Jim nice guys may not get the girls but gentlemen do and the way the way pointed out her her flaws and Imperfections and the viewer we thought you was going to break her down, but he actually uplifted her through them and I we are that loving someone is loving their imperfections Max without a doubt 1000% the man who waited a decade loves Liz. Oh, yeah loves Elysee. Yeah. I think we had that you have confirmed at least a few episodes ago. I forgot how important the kiss was very important because they were remember the whole thing with the hand exchange. And what was it 24 hours or something if they were going to kiss and he tried to walk off and she made the move. We saw her make the move and it wasn't it wasn't lesbian confused. Yes, Jim this trip brought Clarity. They left outside the keauhou see what happens outside of Texas for a longer term Rock Clarity. We see a confident in love lays right here, right? How long does it last? That's the question? No, I respect Zuri's fears. But this is the last in yo, this is no sorry. We're on the same page. This is going to be up and down. Next week. She's already mad at him and threatening to leave town again somewhere for now. It's the most legitimate that they've been together and seems the most honest and finally, you know, they do seem like a couple are a couple that's on track to being a couple but I think with her history and their history together, I don't see this going too long without some sort of thing getting in a way and that's why the next episode they'll be kissing again. Probably I but yeah. I've been getting annoyed with Liz like I'm just annoyed with her character because she's first she's like Miss scientists and like Genius of the world trying to create all sorts of formulas and that's her like Tata thing and she's so focused on it and Saturday at the lab and all that next thing, you know, she's up and down with Max. She's still trying to solve for Osa and she just always kind of I don't know. She always seems antsy and frustrated right and that's my style. But guess what Jim the beauty of this episode was she admitted that she's lost in this episode. Yeah. She I will give her credit for all he did admit that we saw a vulnerability in Liz she made herself vulnerable for the first time. Keep in mind. She has a power play in the family. She has to protect the family from Ice. She has to protect the family from the Legacy damage that happened with Rosa. So there's a lot going on. So she always has to play the tough person and her life situation did not allow. To be vulnerable. Neither did her pride in the fact that she became vulnerable today is why I am utterly convinced utterly convinced that she is in love Jim and guess what? It's not with Kyle. It's 20 my boy. My boy is lost right now. He's got a whole thing going he's distracted. Yeah, you just track maybe him it. I got a prediction for later. Okay, but but we did see I can admit it that finally we saw Max and Liz the most legitimate them together. Other point in their whole thing that we've seen this season, right? I think we can kind of all agree on that at some point but whether last or not huh, not so much but what is lasting right now is the is the love trying on a sense? Would Alex Maria and Michael but we see a lot of Maria and Michael here because they're away in Texas and they are man. I'm telling you it one way to make a Texas overnight fun. You don't need a jalapeno room you just Dirt road that's beating down pretty much because they made the most of that one then they literally a sheep. So mereko. I don't see as a love Vibe. I see it as a fling Vibe. I see it as both of them. There was a release Maria's going through a lot right now with her. Mom. Definitely Michael has begun to a lots of sustained laughter ink. All right, and what I saw in, Texas Was a release of stress. It said that she saw it down. I don't think that there was a huge exchange of emotion and I would assume by now that maybe Maria I can't remember correct me if I'm wrong if she knows about Michael and Alex but not maybe she has maybe tuition or patients, but I don't think she's intuitive. Yeah, but even even the way Maria's like this never happened. Yeah, that was harsh thinking. Yeah, Mike. Played it off. Well done. I'll give it back to him that she knew what she knew what she was doing. And I don't think it was love it was hey, let's just have fun. Let's make this happen Zuri. What do you think about this situation? Think they both just scratched an itch. Yeah. I don't think it's anything serious. I'm not sure who I match Maria up with but maybe Alex and I Alex but um, actually I kind of agree with that. Is that morning after when they wake up and she just like well, you know, she wasn't thrilled by what had happened was one of those like buyer's remorse mistakes where like did I really do that with you? But Michael has been pushing for it in the sense where he's been persistent, you know, you'd like to make a connection with her, too. To explore a possibility in any sense a romantic one and I think if finally they both met each other halfway and then result was not what they may be expected. I think Michaels may be more invested in her than she is even in him. But yeah, we here also, we hear Michael earlier episode tell Alex that the sex was epic and I wonder if he feels that way about is sex with Maria. Wow. When it started it was quick and hot right away for both of them. They were just all over each other. So I don't know the end result of it, but maybe it wasn't the morning after but yeah, we saw that moment finally so they connected they definitely stayed up and made their Texas trip memorable. Maybe only for one night. But then we see Alex into the equation once Michael gets back. They have the Alex needs his car fixed. Okay. So and he doesn't want Michael working on it, but that's not the reason right he wants to go and this is coming. What was interesting is this was under the direction of the one guy who wants I guess made fun of him for his orientation. Kyle Kyle also had a coming around confrontation this again. This episode is about confrontations. Kyle is Coming to Terms. I feel he's coming to terms with Alex's. Ian and also, he's almost Champion championing his love for for Michael and he says you know, what if this is what it is go have a conversation and you caught a Mains call the mains. Yep. He did and he's like don't go to war go have a conversation conversation. And that was Kyle in to the best of his ability saying April support you and if you want to get things right, this is how you got to do it. I thought that was a cool move. Bye Kyle right there. You know, I'm kind of setting him straight his mind straight. Yeah point where hey, you know, this is what you really want deep down inside her. I can see that from the outside so going at least figure it out the right way. Yeah, and I love what you mentioned earlier about the team Jim, you know, he's operating as a team. Now, you know, he's taking more vested interest in his teammate. I think Kyle was also calling Alex because Alex was treating him as if he knew he had done something already without digging up the Acts like he was already treating him like a criminal without actually knowing for sure. So I think outside of like the love factor. I think he was also like doing his own like do your due diligence to make sure this guy is actually as guilty as you think he is before you just accused him of killing right me and we could tell by the end of the episode that Michael and Alex kind of give each other that chance, you know, because when he says hey you really want to know the real me and Alex unequivocally says Yes, which leads us to the next episode where you can see the reveal that's coming. Well, he said yes, which I thought was interesting is he said do you want to know me or what? I am and he didn't specify both or what he just said. Yes. I think I think he wants both he wants to hear it all and maybe this is going to be the first time we see Michael besides we saw Liz be completely vulnerable. We haven't seen Michael Beacon. Completely vulnerable as of yet. This may be what does it? Yeah, well, we got that little preview. So if you want to take me down then might as well be the person I love yeah, I don't know. What was that about that went over my head a little he's giving him all the juice. He's giving him the power in case that he deems him to be a threat that he's okay open with him pulling the plug on him kind of literally in that sense like because that's where I got confused breaking up with me or shooting me. No, like if I am a threat kind of like That like okay okay them to you know, I got it off her and this is the way of him saying that like, hey, you're the person if someone needs to get rid of me or kill me or in some way like I wanted to be you if I'm deemed a threat, you know, and I think that's literally given himself up in charge early entirely is a livelihood to that. So I thought I was a powerful moment, but they're back on and I think Maria is maybe out of this. Yeah, I think tank. Go look that like just now that's what happened. Maria better be looking project Shepherd. That's the thing. Alex is taking over project Shepherd. We heard more about this project in this episode obviously was with the whole that group that stay behind. We're hearing more Revelations and what it is and where it's going potentially. Would you think about the Shepherd discussion. I like the fact that Alex is now going to use project Shepherd for a righteous cause he did say there's one more Mission and I believe it's going to be Jane Holden this person who is examining and writing these reports. Who what it seems is someone has just completely made up by Mains. So we need to find out through this project who either a The Insider is that's doing reports are be who this fourth killer alien is and if someone does find out I thought earlier it would have been Mains heck. I thought means was an alien himself but it seems like Alex the righteous leader of the new crew. The three is going to be the person who is going to solve this. It makes sense that this soldiers whose one all these metals and put his life on the line. He's going to he's a courageous kind of reverse what his father it has a you and his stake in it is his righteous cause yeah, I don't know. I'm still like confused on Kyle's Dad having anything to do with this. I think that's still my hang up when they talked about it. They didn't mention that I mean part of it. The thing is it could either mean nothing really it just a speculation or it could lead us to something but they opened that door. So there's a possibility here. It could mean more or it's just one of the theories that going around that could he could be part of something that I mean vault. I still believe Kyle's dad is a scapegoat of Ross will be called so was the sacrifice of Roswell. I mean, they killed that dude. He knew something. Well, he knew the whole thing about even rows. So going back to that situation and you know what that explains his Affinity towards Alex because it's the commonality of the righteous cause I believe he was a righteous man, and that's why he took a liking the Alex. Because he sees the righteousness in him. That's that's possible. I'm not going to dispute that. But I did just keeping that little piece of the ship and his house that little layer he had it's just this guy was really mysterious and I have a lot of yeah to possibly be right there that if everyone's out for him or in some way, you know, he's the scapegoat then maybe he needed to leave Clues behind for the next whoever follows and maybe he felt remember that whole that bunker whatever you want to call it Alex knew about it before. All right that whole Hideout right? So maybe that was like him passing it down to Alex and we know we would have had more things about him being revealed. But Kyle gave the papers. He found handed him over to Main Street. Do we ever get to the bottom of what we're in those papers? Because that could have said everything and maybe they're still in the little project Shepherd office that it couldn't be Alex. So many things that left, I mean we heard a lot about dr. Holden, right? That was the think the discussion significant non-significant. What do you think very significant? They're hiding the truth about how people were killed whoever is behind said, dr. Holden after hold them. Seriously. Yeah, I believe it's significant to we haven't heard about that. But today's reveals definitely gave credence. And legitimacy to this whole situation, you know and and then figuring things out now the fourth alien, I think we're getting close to this. We've been hinting we've been hoping we've been predicting and I think we're on the verge of a for thing that's happening. Right it has to has to who is the first I think the fourth alien is someone that we've built look at the whole time. I wouldn't well he did say, it's someone in Roswell, right? They didn't mention that the guy who Who doesn't want Liz's parents to be their lives to be there who drew the sign? On his deathbed Mmm Yeah, I think it's Ryan one in his Circle. What was that? Why why yeah why that was a speculation we had at some point. We saw why we don't see why it often. Right and it's also obviously someone that has a temper because I think he'll like 14 people and he's so far. The only person that we've seen that has even the will to kill that many people. Yeah, it could be someone that's teased right that we've seen throughout but not enough of till I like just kind of pinpoint and like oh, this could be it. Like I think it would be smart to just have them kind of, you know, the sprinkled onto certain episodes is where they're in our minds but kind of Forgotten because they're not part of the main cast. It makes sense to be an alien. I could see that I thought it was as I shared previously. I thought it was Maria's mom mmm, but she seemed like a good kind of aliens. I get good vibes from the mall. Rio's mom yet, right. I mean she's still trying to find a wafer or do you guys think that chapters kind of close with Maria's Mom? I'm confused with that thought that we saw her in the preview for this episode last week boden's. No, it wasn't her. It was Arizona. I believe was it and we just didn't know who we were looking at. Okay. Yeah. I'm have a growing curiosity. I don't I no longer think it's Maria's mom, I think because if it is then there's 5 billions because I don't see Maria Eugenia. I don't see Maria's mom doing these horrendous crimes I get it. I don't either yeah, it would be kind of I don't know underwhelming a lot of to it's like, oh, it's Maria's mom of all that, you know, I don't know what you need a stronger villain, I guess cuz that's a villain then right and in that sense and Maria's Mom. I just don't tie in a villainous side. So I'm going to go off on a tangent here and say that so there's a hand and we were the same. And that killed Rosa and this is the same hand wouldn't know if it's the same and that's my tangent. That's there is a hand killing 14 other people. So does this person have the same Powers as Max or smack spheres? It's they're stronger than him. He keeps throwing that out there. Yeah time so is it like but then we see we don't know what's triggering is about blackouts. So my tangent is could Max we have blackouts. Hmm. Could it be Max? I just I just think like how they're all they all clearly have different powers, but somehow someone else has this hand. Mhm. And Majesty points hired and weird lately. Yeah, that's that's an interesting Theory right there. Huh? Another person is interested in what's going on is Noah. We were waiting for him on soda. And then we're like, oh he's not going to show up. We saw in a previous show. We saw him at the end and that was some kind of Discovery. He had he found that poorly head. Whatever you want to call a shed of a Mountainside Hideout. He found it. He and you know how he found it because Liz and Max were too lovey-dovey. They couldn't cover it up. There were two into themselves. So I guess he followed them or Trace them somehow and he finds it. Wow. Now what I didn't I thought it was anticlimactic with him finding. We saw the phone call he made oh just kidding. She's not missing that. A man on a mission though. That's a man on a mission and maybe in the next episode. I want to see the shocked moment. Would you roll up and your wife is an alien inside of an egg? Like that's unfathomable gotta crack the egg it was difficult to detect if he could see that it was her face. We didn't really get the other POV of what was happening. But definitely at the same time. He might have been really shocked but then it was probably like a relief for him. Oh, she's not stepping out with some other dude. Oh, she's not like drinking nail polish. Addictively. Oh, she's an alien. It's almost like cool like it. No, I think it's almost easier right Zuri. Would it be easier for you to find out someone's and Haley and then find out that they're cheating on you. Would it be easier to come to terms with for me? I want but it's a little right a little bit. So I hail know. No, I had a mission. He's turning into means man. That's what I'm telling you. He's turning the Sgt. He's going to be creating chaos there. I am sure of this. I don't think this is a rebel. I think you'd rather her be cheating with another man, because him find out that's a big secret and Max hiding it lives hiding everyone hiding it from and he discovers it. What the heck is going on what they need a preview. Was it? Was it Noah holding Isabella up when she got stabbed in. Annette about us man. Yeah, that was Max Max now is Max no. No. No, I was busy coming home. When here I don't think he takes a slightly at all. I think Noah's now the figure people need to be watch out for because he might go at all costs to put away masks and all the aliens now that he knows. I think he's out foreheads. Absolutely, right Jim and he hinted towards the Press so he may be taking this to the Press. Mmm, and he took away two cops from this he doesn't want to do. It's Sheriff's he's taking matters into his own hands. I'm telling you Noah is now stepping up big time. He's at the plate. He's about to swing big swinging big and we're swinging for our special segments. Oh cool. I get off of us. Thank you. Steph appreciate that special segment since this was all about Texas tonight and swing big Big's Lonestar state taxes. What is your favorite thing about Texas you Guys have a favorite thing about Texas Zuri the barbecue when I went to Texas. I literally pay I think $11 and I ate off the plate three times that day. I can't disagree with us commute times as also the 11 was it 11 bucks? Yeah is $11 you get like a rack a ribs brisket some kind of vegetable and I potato salad and literally like I got it at 11:00 and I ate it for lunch and first listen y'all she didn't order to replace. It was a single man of tall and wide. Sure, is that I didn't feel like a giant when I went there was other bigger people. It's all really so just you know what I might have more tight clothes and not felt insecure. I'm going to be even worn a white shirt when I went to Texas, you know fact hey now, hey now those types of girls I can do that's that is a treasure from Texas. Okay in a lot of ways. I am all about that text and girls. I mean the accent is Southern I'm sold, Texas. I got you really intelligent there. Are you know you well, Hey listen, I'm about that. I'm about good things from taxes. Okay, and that's that's the first thing that stands out to me besides the barbecue and all the other good stuff. This is boards the I don't care for the sports teams. All right predictions. We gotta get some predictions out of the lights are flickering. Jason is in Mike Myers know it is predictions for Roswell, New Mexico guys. What are you guys thinking happens? Next Zuri Isabel tells Noah He's crazy. She gets saved out of the pods and she's stable and he says she says no husband. You didn't see what you think. You saw or if she says you did see what you think you saw but you love me and I'd appreciate it. If you kept a secret what you got in completely down to a tee. I love it. I'ma say to piggyback off Zuri. I'm going to say Love Is in the Air they going to stay together, you know, who else is going to stay together Max and Liz, you know, what else is going to stay together Alex and Michael, you know, what else is gonna happen Isabel's that saram that lives made for Isabel. It's going to work and then Isabel Max Michael and the team of humans are all going to join the new Power Rangers of Roswell. They're going to become Power Rangers and I are going to tack alien number four in Destroy and obliterate that alien. Oh good how positively George I'm going to make things darker. Okay, because that's what I do. Whatever. Okay. Yeah need some I'm not bringing light. I'm Bringing clouds and shadows because Noah is the man you need to watch out for Noah is coming to get people. I'm telling that man's on a mission. He's not coming to get back what Isabel he's coming to get at them. Okay. So Noah watch out for that the fourth. Alien. I think it's Alex. I think it's Alex Sargeant main. Maybe it's a whole cover-up that he didn't like his son because of his sexual orientation because really we may be why he had an issue wasn't because he knew he was an alien and you know, What I'm hoping for a Kamon Kyle love connection. So that's my positive thing. All right, like we got some more theories for next week, but we're we gotta catch you guys on line right? Where can people find you? All right? Yes, you can find me on all things at sireesha least that zi Yu Ri CH E LL ECE find me on Instagram because that's what I like the most. Mr. George Khoury and in tests of Jim's friendship. Can you spell my last name? Hey h. Oh, yeah. URI I miss you tirant not So Much Anymore, there you go. That's why I got three ties from George. 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What what what?Earthquake. Hello, everyone.You are now listening to these terrible. Oh, wow, is that absolutely terrible. Wow. Wow. Wow, get to judge right out of the little Trail in there. It's not did you show us will is a bit off at the moment because I'm poor.Okay. Wow, it's beautiful from terrible to beautiful. Yeah, I'm bringing the bar up because I know you guys got an album coming out soon Pastor Tony have an album coming out called my father hurt me sing. And guess what we had we had the pleasure of your professor Robinson. Is it worship and we're gonna invite her on our solo album, you know. No, because we want to honor the professionals and know you know, because we're professional Pastor Tony, that's cool. Yeah, right. So he agrees so Pastor Robin you have to do a feature for us. I think Josh should be a different place that my father had me sit exactly. So we got the bathroom kitchen. They've downed tree on the train on the train. Yes, exactly. Exactly. But don't tell us how to run our album. Anyway, it's good to be able To have absolutely we had a wonderful service today. I must say what else service? Yes. We had a wonderful service and Andromeda in the service with everyone's awake. My pleasure you watching online when she hits that button. It's really loud. That's why we sort of joke, right? I'm not shocking them and sucks this ant okay, Holy Spirit reality. This is true because the force is nothing with its with me. We had we had one of our members needing emergency. Yeah, yeah mistreatment and flashing lights and paramedics and really really sort of broke the you know, the rigmarole of Jeff Amelia Rarity. Yes outside on the street instead of on the stage. Yeah. Well, I'm usually on the stage and I see the sirens so I Think anything of it but the siren was standing still this time and this is true because I mean we're in New York City. You know what I mean? Right? It's gonna see Sirens. Anyway, Bob speaking of breaking familiarity. We just break familiarity with the intro because we haven't even introduced ourselves. I know what's right. What's your name? Who's that? Well, maybe if you can we give him out prophetic name because he talked about the name of Gideon how God will call. All you to what you're not even at yet. Oh my God, somebody maybe I'm right or maybe dr. Robin Casas author. Hello conference Hodor. Yeah, it's weighing me down. Welcome. Dr. Robin Cassidy we go again you blows the Applause. Well, I And then to see him I am done. Then we have Pastor Tony Casas. Chai Wallah author. What father in their Spirit? What else? Can I call you guys Tony business entrepreneur album release her number one on the billboard records. Autumn leadership adding to your prophetic what else he could be. What's the course you teach Pastor Tony ology talk? Oh, yeah postvention the ology talks and teacher of prophetic foundations in the prophetic so many certificates so many things that passed. Tony guess who's going to write a book 50 chapters long, right about Genesis. Was that New York Times bestseller? Nathan Pastor Nathan Casas, aha father singer of number one gospel song and Amer I got oh, oh, okay. All right and overseas producer I received web designer. Yes articulate a mediator fashion designer choreographer. Okay, come on. We don't want to give too much. Anyway, so Pastor Tony and who are you yo introducing the one and only Pioneer radio host? Uh-huh Avi host. Yeah, maybe even hosting her own show author. Oh wow. Youth program developer who passed? Oh wow. Yes. She is that Janae and he's come on. Thank you. Austerity later. Listen, we want our listeners to be encouraged to look forward to their name change. Okay, we've been talking about this morning. Correct what that episode was? Well you were talking tonight about how to hear God clearly and The things that you said was very important was that God will always give you when he calls your name and he speaking to you. He doesn't address you by the name that you've given yourself. He always calls you by the name. He's giving you that he's given you which is attached to your calling you talked about how he said Gideon, you know, Mighty Man of Valor and get him was like he was talking to you know, you're talking to me. Yeah. No, you mean you mean giddy on I'm Gideon, you know what I mean? Like, But like I think that that's something that we really need to like explain to the listeners. Like maybe the reason why they're hearing the wrong voices and they're not hearing God is because they're expecting God to talk to their old name. We'll be right back. Hey guys, welcome to the polos pug catch the doctor a because this imposter naked and unashamed. Yeah and Pastor Tony Costas and and me Karen and Levi Casas, bye-bye. Well don't say by yet because we're going to let our listeners know that we have a special event coming up. Take over the kids Town takeover is going official Kids Town portals version. And we are excited because we're going to have an interactive message with our kids on stage in a discussion format. Isn't that right? Levi? And what would you like to say to listeners? Do you want them to come to Kids Town take over and what are you gonna do it kids down take with us. Are you gonna play the oh, you're gonna play the super drums and Karen. What are you gonna do it Kids Town together. I'm going to sing sing a song and what's that song called rocks my world God rocks my world. Wow, well listeners we are excited because we are partnering with the children to show them that their expression is just as important in the house of God as the adult expression and we want to you know, come up behind them and support them and I'm telling you I am listening to my Etsy and the conversations that we're having they could teach you a couple of things about the word of God. So I would encourage you to come to kids can take over and let the Next Generation bless you and show you that you know, God is truly pouring out his Spirit upon All Flesh in these days. We'll see you soon. Podcast everyone has a smile on their face to listen for your old name to listen for your old man. Oh wow. He's giving you when you name but you don't know your new name because you're so used to addressing and answering your old Denis. Well as the Tony come on, this is deep man. I just want to encourage our our listeners to get online and watch the shoulder movements of Shania and and Nate. They Their dances you can tell by the way, even the way they sit down is a dance audition, right? Okay was speaking about how to he the Holy Spirit hear the voice of God and be confident that you're hearing the voice of God. And so we brought up Gideon because I was sharing how the Lord often when he speaks to you. He calls your name. Yeah, you know And it's he doesn't always have to call your name. But he often does call your name. Like I know that when I'm in prayer, I often hear the Lord say my name Tony gets my attention that way. All right that there are times as as Pastor. Nate was mentioning that sometimes our name isn't how God knows us. That's the that's the name that our parents gave us. Wow. Well, you know your name really reflects. Who you you going to be? Yeah, so in the biblical sense when you know, we mentioned Gideon Gideon was full of fear. He was hiding the weight that he had harvested in the winepress because a winepress was a depression in the ground and and you couldn't see what was going on from a from ground level and he was hiding from the midianites because I was stealing his wheat all the time and then when when the Lord showed up he addresses him. By saying the Lord is with you you mighty man of Valor now. I think Gideon would have thought yeah, like what are you sure you're talking to me you made my cousin giddy on right Gideon obviously thought say what me and and went from there because the Lord ended up saying look, you know go in the mic. That you have that's Kate and you will defeat the midianites. And so when you wrestled with Jacob, he asked Jacob, what's your name? And Jacob see now? My name is supplanter. Literally and the Lord said no you shall not be call supplant or anymore. But Prince with God one who overcomes with God and so Jesus was speaking into his potential what he was going to become. Um, no, you're Abraham, you know, he said to Abraham you'll no longer be called a broom. You shall now be called Abraham father of many nations. So the Lord often, you know designates a name that describes his plan and potential for our lives say that so that was in the context of when we're in prayer and the Lord is speaking to us. Yeah, and so we began by discussing When God wants to communicate to his people we were reading out of 1 1 Kings chapter 19 where Elijah was fleeing from Jezebel and he ended up on the Mountain of God and Elijah was expecting, you know, like the wind and the earthquake and the fire to be God's voice in his situation and it implies that Elijah was seeking God to be a vengeful God a power. Playing God against the enemies of Israel. And but when we know when he put his mantle around his face, the scripture says that he heard God through a still Small Voice. Yeah. There's still Small Voice. God wasn't angry. He wasn't outraged. He wasn't, you know stirred up about what happened with Jezebel. He was assuring the prophet that he was in control and God is Never out of control. He wasn't he wasn't emotional like a larger was and so, you know, wow Nate was mentioning earlier that sometimes when we're in a situation where we want God to move. We want him to thunder like come on God get Vengeance on my enemies and get it now. That's right. And sometimes we want to sometimes who want him to burn up, you know, all the Chaffin hours or other people's lives. Fire and then the wind, you know, the wind was so strong. You know, we were talking about hurricane force winds breaking the rocks and you know many times the Lord doesn't answer that way because he's got he's got the interests of the people who are against us. He's got their interest at heart as well. Well, you know bless your enemies and so it's interesting because the still Small Voice is he's prefer. Method of communicating to his sheep and that brings us to John 10, which was the second reference my sheep hear my voice hear my voice. You know that still Small Voice. You see the Holy Spirit and he speaks to the heart. Can you imagine if there was a whirlwind to the heart? Yeah. That's true. What about if there was a fire to the heart? Yeah. What about if there was what was the other one and Those Quake to the heart shaking shaking. Mmm. You see that's not the that's not natural beauty of the Holy Spirit. No, you see he comes in even as a form of a dove so he's gentle so why would we want him to speak anyway, but gently yeah, you see it's the devil that speaks loud. Yeah. Yeah, like what you said just then because it's like Could barely handle the Lord being starting with us in a still Small Voice. Let alone coming down like thunder and it's like feeling hot we can have barely handle the chastisement. Yeah. That's the thing. That's something that he's pointing at is that's very important is when you require or you you know expect God to speak like that. You're you you're basically shifting or responsibility to hear God because you're saying like what the Lord was showing me was the Thunder was I want you to overpower. I want you to be that You know loud voice that draws attention and past the Tony was saying he's God. He doesn't need to draw attention to his voice. You know, there's nothing to prove right? And then the fire sometimes we expect God to speak and burn everything up, you know and just get rid of it and just burn it burn up all the chaff man. But where's your responsibility in the part that you play in? What are you saying? Where's your responsibility in the part that you play in the Whirlwind? Yea you want him to blow everyone away with what he says, but there's a part that you to play and I don't think that Elijah was in a place to be ready to play that part because as I've taught before he moved into a panic and he had just forgotten the god that had brought him through Chad major victory one of the times that he had the best Victory come on Keith sometimes when we have the best victories the day after that's the worst ever time that we'll go through because our best victories will also bring You know the hardest tests and that's very very important to know. Oh my God, I just Speaking of fire. I think a larger was used to one way of yes, you know God speaking because a larger called down fire from heaven four times four times. They just three or four times twice, which is very faithful. It was twice with the soldiers. You know, when I have sent a company of soldiers to arrest him. They said men of God the king says come down and then Elijah turns and says if Man of God, May Fire came come down from heaven and consume you and your 50 men and then fire comes down and consumes them at that happens twice, you know, it wasn't even allowed to see and the third one was literally at Mount Carmel when you know, the fire of God came down and consume the sacrifice. So maybe like Nate said he was familiar with one way of God speaking Yeah, and the Lord was showing him another way that God speaks which is that still Small Voice and I find that. In our prayer life, we can't get custom customized to just one way of hearing God. So I shared with the church tonight when you want to know the will of God. It comes in parts of the package you get some from your prayer Life as a revelation. Sometimes it might be a dream. Sometimes it will come from the you know, the Council of friends. You ask your friends. What do you think about this? You know, I heard the Lord say this, what do you think? Sometimes it comes directly from scripture, you know, you'll be asking the question the Lord will speak through the word and then another portion will come through Leadership Council. And so you can't really put all of your pennies in the same basket. You can't just hear God personally in your prayer life and move on that because he's not giving you the whole Revelation so lie to you. Wow, he's spread the Revelation around so that we become interdependent. Agent on each other. Yeah, that's the important. So if you can have personal revelation and something out of the scripture and and you know, the the opinion of friends, but if you don't get leadership direct some on you could miss out on a big chunk of Direction and the opposite is true. You can get leadership Direction. But if you don't have a personal conviction right here is something that you know is in the word of God that really confirms it to you. You're in danger of you know, getting off track as well. Right? And I mean we didn't mention it tonight, but there was a prophet from Judah that winter Israel and prophesied against King jeroboam. And then the Lord told him don't come home the way you go go another way and when his Prophet was on his way, you know in a different route. Another Prophet comes along and says, oh god Tommy that you need to come and eat bread at my house. And this young Prophet thought I will have God's told you then. I must have missed God and he made a fatal mistake because it cost him his life. So we can't afford to let other people have a have a bigger chunk of the Revelation than what God's giving us as well. It's important to get your own personal conviction and have it confirmed and if you can't get that at least with your leaders get them to confirm the direction that God wants for you and I think that But I throw it out after that was four steps which other times yeah and how those deep we need to have a casual conversation first. Yeah that was important and it is so important because the pure in heart shall see God what everywhere in every situation on an old lady basis continually on going continuously. And so if you start to look out And see God's creation. Then you have the conversation about his creation that that you can hit that thing. But you know what I'm saying. We want to go straight in for the deep and meaningful. And yes, he's a bit of a stranger to us, you know. A lot of ways I okay, you know you get married and suddenly. You know your husband so intimate no, no, you don't know your husband is so intimately, you know, it's like wow suddenly. I know everything. I know that he he leaves things lying around. Are you referring to by the way? In the sense of getting to be friends. Yeah, like it leave is you know, not not that they should leave these clothes lying around but maybe the Bible around church or something or you know, because I used gives you that time it gives you that time to get to know you get to know him as the Creator and passing that brings up before we go on break. We talked about to solidifying that again those 11 hours this 59 minutes. I'd get ting to know him. That's what those that that time is about. It's to get to know who he is not to spend the last 60 seconds trying to get to know. Yes, he is. Yes, you know cramming it is take those 11 hours and get to know who he is. So when we come back we're going to do some more you're out of time beautiful Amen to that. Yeah, we'll be back. Better how and since I did that shooting the Ship Bottom. Oh Pardo's. Is she old wrapping casts aspersions on Clinton's a shortage in Chief and sanctioning the motion and the instructions you'll know your the torque childhood dream music rapping cases, but she intentionally music tuning cases Nathan Castle. So come to mention the Obama Kelly better transition team woman that porthos. Can I go back in don't want to get familiar? Welcome back guys, and if you're getting the visual memory, we have little visual. Yeah, like smack in the head cause you gotta get it awake right the visual this today's episode comes from um our one and noni Jonathan poetic John. We just want to thank you so much for your contribution special dipping nice. This man is like drawing endless hours and his wife Ashley. Yep, and some other members sometimes joined them and just, you know, give the visual ya know. The things of the Lord is saying And I think this visual is for you, right? Yes, John actually gave me a word and it's very timely because I'm gonna be booking tomorrow a very important appointment to bring me to the next phase of my permanency in the United States and the Lord just wants to speak before in any man can insert any kind of Rhema or you know prediction or anything like that. So this this visual actually says you belong and John's drawn a New York City fitted cap, which is my kind of style of course and it says holy spirit sealed and he's also drawn my green card being washed in the blood. Wow. I got the words you belong and I just want to let the people know that watching or that are listening. We fully partnering with John and his ministry. It's called second breath. Ya and YC and it's all about, you know drawing from Ezekiel 37 where that second. Was breathe upon the bones and they became the army of God Almighty. Yeah, absolutely. And so I would encourage listeners to go to their website, you know second breath NYC.com. If it's not up it's going to be up soon as John is getting ready to launch his worldwide Ministry. And if you're watching online, you can look at second breath and my si.com and you can also go online and request one of these prophetic pictures for your loved one for your A family this is a great resource Shanaya because sometimes a prophetic word is one dimension and this brings us into our topic because we were talking about how we get familiar with God's way of speaking. That's so I'm gonna go back in there. Yeah to do with a way that you can hear. Hmm Z. And so the first one was casual conversation casual conversation. Do you know that I was living in 53rd Street? And one day I walked outside into the lounge area. Yeah, and I heard Robin. And I went back in and I thought it was Pastor Tony calling me remembered this post and he said I didn't call you and I said well I heard you yeah. Yes. I went back out again. Sounds like Samuel on Eli. Yeah, and I heard again Robin. Yeah. I remember this three times. I heard it and then I got the idea. I went hang on a minute if this is not you and it's not you and it's not you it must be you. So I went back in and I said I know how to answer this one you look so what do you want Lord, and he said I just wanted to let you know. I know your name what a pleasant. I like that that really blessed me. It made my day. He called you by name. He called me by name. I know his name and now he knows my name. Wow, and I know that he knows my name so that Casual conversation we were talking about his major things that he's done creation. Then you begin to see him as the Creator and then you can see him as the Creator creating things around you for you. Yeah in every situation continually constantly always creating things. Around you. Yeah, and then I said was step two then is where you start to unfold a little bit of you and you start to say well, you know, you're the creator of all things around me. Maybe should we should have a talk about what's going on in me? So as we talk about what's going on in me, we having this conversation, but we all know we all know. The Holy Spirit knows what's going on, but sometimes we have to know that he knows what's going on to develop. He says, well, you trust me you trust me what's going on inside you child. Yeah. Well, how about I tell you what's going on in me? Wow, that's goes. Wow. Okay. Can God vent to you? Can God vent to you? Can God trust you what he thinks and so he begins to talk to you and talk to you about this amazing plan that he's got this incredible love story and you start to get it. Wow, and guess what he stars with you in this. Story well plug my song and so what happens then so we've gone one two, three number four. What's number four number four is when Spirit to spirit communication happens and why do we have this Spirit to spirit communication because we're practicing for heaven. Ian wow because we will be communicating Spirit to Spirit. Wow. One thing about the out of towns that I loved. I felt like it really takes the pressure off of jumping straight in and thinking, you know, oh, I'm missing the mark and I just was Discerning with the Holy Spirit as we were praying for people after service is that was the LIE the enemy was just really hounding in some The Believers and I was just like you're missing the mark You're missing the mark. You don't know God the way you think you do and I just it when you were expressing that from the stage, and I know you express this in your your courses as well. Yeah about explaining it more in depth. So if you guys want more information about that, please visit our website, however, it's just it was very eye-opening and like I just really since this pressure releasing of just Wanting to jump straight in we got to know God. We got to know everything about a weenie. Oh now we got to know his heart. Oh now we got to do this and it's just like even down to the highways. We were talking. I think it was just very beautifully. I think when you look at little sick, he's six months old. Is he cute and so he's a baby? Okay, and we sometimes I like Ezekiel where Bates so it's not cat had kittens. You grow up overnight and so he'll take us through step one and he'll hang about that casual prayer. I think it's important because your conversational. Yeah, because we We expect steps and processes for everything else right when it comes to the voice of God. We want it to be instantaneous. Yeah, why would we not expect the voice of God and I'm going to be just real simple and literal here baking a cake has steps and processes. Yeah, you know little the simple things in life, you know applying for a job steps and processes. Why would we think that we get to just hear God's voice without there being a formulated approach? That he's put right place. It's really cool. I think it's because we have a need we need to get out of a bind or something and we just want him to give us a quick answer. Yeah, this is what I need. Tell me quick instant God, but let me go back to this. Let me go back to this. And so we've gone from the babes stage. We're now going to a place toddler. Yes where we begin to tell him about. About what hurts? Yeah, so we go from being an from seeing him as a creator. To a Healer to a Healer. Wow, and so as we begin to see him as the Healer that heals the hurts you see and so that's Step 2. Yeah, then we come to skip step 3 step 3 is where he says would you like to know what makes me hurt? Well, then we start to see him in a different light than we've ever seen. Before share we start to see him now. He's sharing and trusting us trusting us with his innermost thoughts. He's trusting us. Yeah. So this is a god. This is a God who trusts us. And so we start to see he's holding a different role in our lives. And this is a big key because there's two men in the Bible that God considered friends. Yeah was was Moses but Moses appease the Lord's anger several times for Israel. So the Lord didn't have to tell Moses what he was about to do. You see like step aside Mo I'm gonna have to wipe these people tear them down. And down those gets on his face and you know, he appeals to him and God knew Moses would do that. That's why he told him and God knew that Abraham had a vested interest in getting lot out of Sodom and Gomorrah and God knew that if he told Abraham that he was about to judge side of Sodom and Gomorrah Abraham would stand in the Gap and so God is compassionate. He's merciful. He wants someone to say no don't do it don't do it, but he's only going to share that. With people he's intimate with yeah. So this is so this is so this is where we go. Let that Jim Leyland ya gotta let it learn this is where we go and we stuck started going from the casual and then we come into the trust through intimacy and then we come to the fourth stage, which is really for familiarity in very positive way. Yeah. I was going to say Is a familiarity that we can have with the voice of God to actually be familiar my sheep hear my voice, but you know, the thing is I'm going to talk about this something come back from the break the enemy wants us to get familiar with the way but not the voice. Hmm. And so you're saying we need to be familiar with the voice, but don't be familiar with the way and I want to bring the fullness of this new way of being formed Millions. Mia Famiglia through Spirit to spirit communication. Well, you guys heard that so we'll be right back. Hey guys, wanna hear God speak to you personally, then join us here at dipping night. It's every first Monday of the month at 7:30 p.m. To find out more information or to RSVP. You can visit us at dipping night dot torque. And why c.org? Hope to see you there. Hey, can I come straight back then? Oh was that familiar? Yada yada yada yada yada. I want to say a big hello to my friends in Beijing. There we go. Oh someone lit up about it for Beijing. I love to speak fake Chinese. I'm learning real Chinese don't want to offend it's not offense. It's such a beautiful language that I just don't I don't think you're a Chinese. You gotta say the right intonations because you could be saying the wrong thing. Okay, please I want to try on a Sony harm our to all my friends. Hey in Beijing in China, and I'm there. Are all sitting in the McDonald's down the main drag they all love their Big Macs and western food. So, you're welcome. You're welcome. We're so glad to introduce you to our culture ccne. So are you saying that they are listening to two portals or they needed they got no interest in Portals portals is allowed to be listened to judge it. And they can get they get underground. Yeah, you got it. He's breakfast. So we just invited Beijing Beijing right which is we had a few statistics going. Yeah, let me now listen, there's no we've added India. Yes to our list. He's giving you the goose. India we have up to nine countries. Now, we have England we have obviously the United States we have Australia. We have India we have South Korea. We have Malaysia. We have Great Britain. We have had no doubt Canada. We have chili. We have Argentina and we have South America we have yeah, but yeah, so I'm looking forward to adding Africa. Yes, and you know the continent of Africa, I believe South Africa again. What Pastor Tony said He believes South Africa's and be added and maybe even Kenya because we have some friends in candy. Yeah, we've been there, you know, we've been in glad you mentioned Kenya because there are there is a friend of ours in Kenya. He lives in between El Dorado and lad lot while I think Lassiter and about halfway between these two cities is Gorilla Mountain. Yeah. Okay and only Canyons will know what I mean be caressed the face of a gorilla comes up on the side of the mountain. Even at four pm letter every afternoon I kid you not because of the shadow of the the sun makes on the trees. It looks like the face of a gorilla and they've called it gorilla Mountain. So reaching out to the security men there at the police Depo in between Lord wire and Order act get portals and get it now. Yeah, you've got 13 hours. Yeah on that drive from a lot work to Cheston. We certainly know that we know that one. So listen put portals on in the car. And listen while you're protecting those people from the rebels. Okay, we know you got your AK-47 window concession. All right, but why did he got I said, I know you've got your AK-47 on your back and you're pointing it out the window to keep the you know, the rebels from coming at the tourists people know what I'm talking about in Kenya, but there's 13 hours then you can listen to some portals. Well there you have it. Yeah. I know. I'd like to finish now because past is going To go and do a New York thing. He's going to do the roundabout New York minute with the car. Hey 60 seconds. No, I just wanted to end with that last point and that was the other times Spirit to Spirit. That is so important. That's like someone who's been married for 60 70 years, and they don't even have to talk. We aware of what the other one is thinking. I know what you think is just a place that the Holy Spirit wants us to get to yeah, it's a place a good familiar place where you know the voice in your spirit that Spirit of the holy spirit that speaking to your spirit and this is a good familiar thing. This is something like my sheep Know My Name They Know My Name Mmmmm, they know my name and we do know his name and what's more he knows our name? So one day when we get to heaven, we're going to talk and have conversation Spirit to Spirit and he wants us to practice it now here and now wow. Okay. So this is a good place to get to is a really good place to get to that audience all If you 300 don't you mean? Yeah, right and potential. Yes, and so no not at this time in the morning hoods that he's going to be wait 300 people at 6:15 screaming the building. So think about so we just wanted Need to talk about that. Yeah and say this is a process. Yes. It's the process that brings these rolls into your life. I just it's just so interesting because so it's just interesting how we have his concept about the relationship with Christ because I feel like when it's wet. But we understand it. But for some odd reason is so disconnected when it comes to God, it's like what you're saying isn't unfamiliar in a sense of okay everyday relationships. I definitely wouldn't tell a secret to someone. I don't trust I definitely wouldn't share intimate details with somebody. I just met that's right, you know, or you know, I wouldn't expect anything from them or I wouldn't want anybody to expect anything from me when they first right? So it's like the Practical is there. Yeah, but for some odd reason that the connection isn't and it and it goes back to what you were saying about the responsibility. I think we just expect God in this room to do everything. Well your voice is louder than what I could ever produce or whatever the LIE we want to believe to deflect the responsibility of saying it takes time to know the God the Father. Yeah, you know, yeah, the one you you, you know, you cherish you love and all these other things so it's just inflating. That as you begin to allow these steps to become part of your life. You will become familiar with not familiar about but familiar with that voice that's not familiar with the way no familiar with that still small boy actual voice. I think that's what our listeners need to find that we need to break familiarity with the way because you can never predict the way that God is going to speak. That's what Pastor Tony was saying you got to get some From this source and Revelation from that Source, but you do need to become familiar with the voice the sound of the voice because he said his sheep know my voice and they know his voice and they hear his voice. Yeah, and that's something that we need to to know and to hear and that comes as a result of him speaking to our heart and he's not going to Bellow to our heart and it's not going to shake or is it not going to burn? You see that's not going to show us that he is a loving God that wants to speak Spirit to Spirit Well coming back to that because you know, this is a topic and we're bringing that part to a close but what gets us in that position to be familiar with the way my dr. Robin said on the stage tonight. This is when we are too familiar with time. Is and this is when we haven't allowed God to use time to teach us who he is at right and we've taken as dr. Robbins going to dis now bring out we've with it. We've let God, you know, it's like this tug-of-war. He said we say Okay. God lord. I want to control time and then we get to that moment of surrender where okay, I'm giving time back to you and then we see that what God's doing and that moment starts to work. And so why do we want to do now? Yes. Yes. Yes just like Elijah you want to take time back out? His hands we want to determine when we go and hide in the cave and when we come out of it. yes, it's the way it is Pastor because if you really look at the story of Elijah, Shanaya Jezebel said to him by this time tomorrow May the gods be with me be it ever so severely if you are not like those profits that you killed but then it says in the scripture that a day had gone by yeah catch that catching it 24 hours had gone by since the From Jezebel had been made but yet he was still alive. So wait, wait what you meant to be dead right by this time? Yeah, and then it says from that he journeyed 40 days. Yeah into the desert. So now only was your lab using Rebellion moved away 40 more days because because exhaustion okay. Yeah. Austin can always lead to Rebellion. So you gotta be careful what you're doing with that. Time but it's funny that 40 days. That's the amount of time that 40 is that number that God uses to take us through a Wilderness experience. This is what if something out of us and this is what dr. Robin was talking about. That's that 11 hours and 59 minutes. Yeah the 40 days but you'd got to come out of that position and that moment ready to give up control of the time. So, let me go in there and let me see so the last 60 Come on say this the last 60 seconds is what we need to talk about here because you know, let me give you an example just a story of my own and what the Holy Spirit how we got me to talk about this subject. It was the other night. I was just asking him what he wanted to say to the church and he just said to me it's nearly 12:00. But 11:59 there's still time. Yep. And so I said that that's only 60 seconds Lord. Yeah, and he said yes, and I said what can you do in 60 seconds? He said when were you born and I said, holy spirit, you know when I was born on the 24th of April it one minute to midnight. Wow, and he said yes. One minute to midnight. You were born a Destiny was set forth. There was a plan for you to be where you are at that point. What did I do in 60 seconds? Did I not heal you and tell you to walk? What can I do in 60 seconds and I went ah, ah, I get it. He said yes, then I rest my case. This is why you said in the previous episode about the importance of that 60 seconds at the thing was saying building letting the Holy Spirit say I rest my case. What does that mean? Can the Lord Holy Spirit say to you. I rest my case. No because you're still as though see the seconds tick away You see the Holy Spirit better. Oh and he begins to move very quickly. She never sought a suddenly you want to take time back again. Daddy's the most wow vulnerable time the most volatile time for you to take back part of those 60 seconds. Oh my God, we have to go on break. As you're leaving us on the little hanger here of time. Maybe not we have much more time to go. So don't go too far as we'll be right back. 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Yeah, I'm very quiet listeners because sometimes you said before break and then I was still stuck in the sub portal of time because that's what happens when you supporter you lose track of time anyway, so I just haven't caught up quite yet that one will land. I'm letting at me when I play back this episode, but I mean my goodness. Is the giant timing becomes the last 60 seconds is such a panic and not a prophetic Pennock. No, this is our say this is a possessive Penny. Let me see. It's not that it becomes your friend. It's a panic you see and the Panic is who's in control? Oh my God who's in control? Troll now other good 60 seconds left. Oh my God, Holy Spirit. Where are you? But then God shows up and then you say well he's turned up. Yeah, I'm doing I just gotta take a little bit of control of this now. I think that's what we do. I think we go Holy Spirit. I'm in this desperate place and I need you in our desperation leads us to Faith and there is okay Lord. I'm giving you control. I'm surrendering. Oh my God, then what happiness is the Lord says Right. Okay. Now I'm going to show you my power. I'm going to show you who I am. I'm going to show you this is my chance to show you that I'm in control and then we start to see results of the things that God is doing because whenever God moves there's results and there's life in this fruit and then we get that rekindled enthusiasm that's become dead over the 11 hours and 59 minutes. And once what was dead now becomes alive and we say, yes, Holy Spirit. That's right. We're gonna do this together. Whether you I'm gonna tell you yes, let's work together on this. Wow, we grew a double job. Yeah do it together. Well, I feel like I'm talking about my life like it's is clicking, but it's Landing like, oh my God. I just did that this week and the enemy is able to get us into a worse place. Where we were at where we were before we were in that 11 hours because now in that 60 seconds what Pastor saying that's the most vulnerable time on the top. That's the most volatile time. That's the most time where God is moving. And where God is moving. You can't be moving in the same space. Can I tell you something? So you have this voice and he says yet. Okay, 60 seconds is mine. Yeah, and the devil says don't you knock any get that 60-second that I do something and so you see well, you know, I work with your Holy Spirit and I can see what you're doing. And wow. Well, you're creating in 60 seconds. You're creating a life you're Being a destiny you're creating something in 60 seconds. But because the devil you're too familiar with the devil for the 11:59 because you're so familiar with that. You don't hear that still small boat. You've let the threat of Jezebel. Oh my God be loud. Order for 11 hours and 59 minutes, which is now cause you to have to go into a 40-day Wilderness and rather than using the 40 days to hear God again and to see who he is you go and hide in a cave and you try to cut time off Elijah did this Shanaya he cut time off the Lord said to him after he revealed himself in that still Small Voice. First of all, he says, what are you doing here? And God says to you. What are you doing here? You know here you have no use. He wisely that time has not been your friend. He has his full on interaction conversation with him. And then he says right I want you to go and anoint so when so and then I want you to go and find so-and-so and anoint him as your predecessor because the person that you have with you as your servant is not the one light one that I've chosen to be your successor. Yeah, and so you come to this point and this is the point that we need to see here. She's just The point that you need to see here, this is when whoa Holy Spirit can make time your friend 60 seconds of time being your friend if you leave him to do his work. Wow. Going back to Elijah he cut it short time could have been his friend. Yeah, God could have healed him from his exhaustion. He could have given him another pep in his step, but he said to God I've had enough I'm tired. I can't do this anymore. So what he deliberately did was he was meant to go and anoint the king first, he goes and anoints his predecessor first. Yes because he's like, I don't want to do this anymore, you know, and so we cut time short you took time out of On stand and he cut it short and you know, oh my God, I mean he's a great man of God wanted to he is the fire profit, you know, he's one of the greatest prophets but but every Prophet had pitfalls, yes, they do, you know, and I think it's safe to say in that last 60 seconds. You better be on the lookout because the enemy is going to try and bring to the Forefront every Pitfall now. It's right that you haven't surrendered in the 11 hours and 59 minutes time when you do lift really have to leave it alone. Yes, and you can't create and you can't birth and you can't bring a destiny forward and you can't bring the healing and you can't bring the salvation and you can't bring the building well. Take it I have to speak. This is not you don't take it out of the hands of God. This is not a Jericho. This is an AI don't let the enthusiasm of the old Jericho puts you in a position to not hear God speak because if you recall Jericho, they had to be silent before they shouted the walls down. And you don't get to release. Anything God's the holy spirit says until he says it's to be released which means you got to be ready to hear his voice and not move on yesterday's victories. And you know, what should I said this in the sub portal of the brake press back what in starts out because see that thing gets rekindled in us with I guess God is working. Things that we've let God kill off, you know, we start to see that there's hope for them again. So what let's resurrect them from the dead we resurrect them. So we we start to say, oh that's right. This is the way you're gonna do it. So we start to put a familiar way on what God is doing. We don't wait to hear his voice we say hey, yeah Lord this last 60 seconds is yours and you've had the 25 passion for life, and I've got this new. A passion for my call and you know I've learnt from yesterday and we're not silent and there needs to be space that this is a key there needs to be space for movement to occur movement can occur within movement. Oh there has to be space Oh my God, you hear from you. So if you're not your movement it cancels out his movement music baby have it won't be long before it turns to complaint. Oh my God. Alright. Alright. Goodnight toes now. I'll wait. I feel like I need to go vomit. I'm gonna go find Pastor Tony. I'm gonna go sit in circle the block One Pastor Tony and exit stage left because I just circle the way yes. Yeah now circle the wagons. This is mmm. We'll be back. Wow. I look Is that this coach and oh portals gonna look Dora Robin Casas don't they are receiver del Cielo key below regality SW grandma is not out of position are and knees Eve present. Elaborately Tarasco the torque New York La basura Robin, Cassis and Pastor Tony Casas e and password Nathan Casas. See you guys coach and oh God, I gotta see what's mucho Mas. Running ahead of God to say something about you know, the Panic that you talked about becomes possessive Penick. Yeah, not a prophetic panic, but it's actually running ahead. God you see I can't even run the horses. Jesus is Jesus. So we go back there and we said those last 60 seconds pastor and we say these are the most volatile and the most vulnerable time for you because you where do you think the devil is ready to kick? Is it so he's in the background somewhere hiding? No. No, he's in the Forefront on the edge of what the holy spirit is about to do and and is doing wow. And so Holy Spirit. What's he going to do in these 60 seconds? He's going to make time your friend. Who's the whole way of the devil the very Unholy Spirit? Yes, that is the counterfeit. Well encourage you encourage you to run ahead to To cut it short. Yeah, and no not just cut it short but to bring it to birth prematurely like Elijah bring it bring it to ya but to finish the job, but go and anoint your predecessor early so you can get free and go and birth something that God hasn't told you to birth yet not yet. And you know what happened to that Pastor Robin, which I think our listeners really need to interview is need to understand when you take I'm out of God's hands. I mean he can't trust you with it. So he put someone else in your place. I would be awake for that Jim. So what is the devil do in these last 60 seconds? He wants to make time your enemy. So your Pennock MN and you run a hit. Oh Lord, Jesus try to outrun the horses. You see will try to outrun what the spirit is doing and this becomes very very serious because that can avoid the vision. Wow. I want them to get it because it's so important. Yeah, because in 60 Both can take place in 60 seconds. Destiny's can fall in 60 Seconds. Lame can walk. The blind can see the dead can be re come on right in 60 seconds. It's not gone. It's coming. Well in 60 seconds. I think we're helps the listeners because I want it to fall where it needs. No, it does and it's definitely leaning because I could barely speak. Two things one. I think our listeners need to grab ahold of what that Panic actually is saying about God. Yeah and your life because we think panicking and you know, how we do the Christian thing. Of course, it's not me. I don't panic like that or I'm a panic a little bit but no we need to address what Panic is actually saying Panic is not just you know, oh, you know, I don't know what to do or this just fear. Here you're also saying. Oh, well God won't show up in these 60 seconds. Well, I have to get control of it as because I can't trust God with this. Well, I think he's saying something that he said to them in the garden. Did God say this did God say and I think today it's important to sometimes we always expect the enemy to speak to us in that negative verbage, right but a demon can lie and say that they are, you know a demon Come to you in a positive way. Yeah and get her - what else is the voice of God, right, you know and it's not funny that we just had our mental health awareness seminar. You know God's will God's solution versus the the world's, you know attempt. Yeah because this is what we talked about the whole time. Yeah, there's some voices that are coming and again, I'm going back to a larger because this is landing so big in me to do with like the panic Now we don't we don't see Leduc Penny. We don't see but a possessive Panic comes the day after we have our greatest Victory and you know as it comes with a panic and that's it carrots the spirit that's attached to it. Yeah, once you to possess it through your Pennock, you see as it comes you become familiar. You with that feeling and then you fall back into that image again. And so this whole journey becomes what was learned how to pour. Yes, and you don't realize learnt out of all you don't realize that the threat of the enemy is empty. Yeah, you don't realize that you've been given 60 seconds, but his 60 seconds is up. Yeah, oh my God ended yesterday when he's threat, you go into all the things that you know, you want to do things that you know, and you want to own and so look look. Look, let's look at the schizophrenia attached to this kind of thinking and beliefs. Adam one minute Sterling Victory and one minute were on the high of the mountain and then next minute we go and hide in caves after God speaks to us. We come out of the caves and we say yeah now I can help you along God like it's like yeah up down up down up down. That's not me not using time properly. But the whole thing is in this when we do this when we allow these things to happen, we become familiar the things that we know No, jeez, and we find ourself finding ourselves coming back to Murphy familiarity. I'm a little backed up what happens then is we forget the last 60 seconds belongs to the one who is the activator who is the activating agent and who has been mandated? By God to had that last 60 seconds. We don't see that because we're so caught up in panic time. Yeah, don't we do not see that God has sent the Holy Spirit to show that time is our friend. Wow, nothing, baby. That are coming upon this hour. You know, I was telling you got that his panic and it wasn't panic but his his weight that he sweated blood in the garden was not only because not because he was afraid of the pain because he was afraid of being separate from his father, but just like David for the first time in his human life on Earth. He was going to be in the hands of men reality and not the hands of his father. He would rather be in there. And service father then the hands of men see that attitude is I can be in the hands of my father and being and and be chastised not him. But us we can that's what the You Know The Enemy tries to get us to be divorced from I can be in the hands of my father because when I know I'm in the hands of my father, I know I'm secure it doesn't matter. What is around me Pastor. Tony said tonight. It doesn't matter what's going on around you if you've heard God speak nothing can deter After you that's a figure defect, you know, I think I need to the Temptation Pastor for Jesus to try and take it out of the hands of the father. I think we need to go back and think about what you just said before about Jesus here to do with being in the hands of the father. Yeah. See the hands of men when we put our hand put ourself in the hands of men. We begin to trust them as God. Oh my God. And so therefore I think we need to go back to your other times and start to get to know him on a casual basis not to him and see what he's created out. There is what he can do inside us and around us and for us if we We stop interfering with what he's done. Oh, so again, I'm going there now because it's my time. I will tell you I will tell you church. I will tell you people that are listening. The holy spirit is the only mom thing the only thing the devil cannot counterfeit fruit of the holy spirit all that landed it cannot There has to be a false Holy Spirit like Kundalini that has to come and give his friend Deliverance over here so I can tell you right now. What is the fruit of the holy spirit in the last 60 seconds is faith. Hope and love what is the fruit of the holy spirit is faithfulness. Patience. Yeah, self-control long-suffering meekness mildness Temperance. These are things that the whole the devil cannot counterfeit. So he's got to put something in play style. Oh my God, I'm telling you right now. You need to see this because if you know the fruit then you know the route. You'll know the root of what is taking place in those last 60 Seconds. Can we just have a moment of silence? My spirit is alive, but my so died and I just I just want to go back to a seed at this point the dirt no take me back to dirt. I just want to do this whole like thing all over again because you just gotta wait till God put you in your garden. Come on. Let him put you in your garden. He's already created you Jesus and he wants to just put you in the garden that he's created for you. Then we you can care take for him. You know what I think this is going to be a snap crown on anything. It is less might we might as well play this song all the time. I think we need to continue with that if they hear what I was saying you need to stop and take it out of his hands because if you do you'll abort the plan and you won't end up with your land. One more tie don't take it out of his hands. Come on. Now. Let's do it. Don't take it out of his pants. Here we go. Don't take it out of his hand. Don't take it out of his hands. Listeners, I don't know about you. But just come to church. You know, why because yeah, you might need some resurrecting. Okay, but please don't resurrect this here flesh because it's not worth it. It's not can I turn testimony of someone in the church here when we first got that, you know, 15 11:59, but there's still time there was a young man here that is very quick to move usually. You know because he rests upon his ability and such like that and I think it was at the point where he just said, I'm not touching this last 60 Seconds. Come on. I'm not touching it the next day. He gives her testimony. That there's a check waiting for him. Oh come on. It was not meant to be and the other thing he just told me tonight. He said to more sales since she left it in the Holy Spirit. Yeah. There you go bearing fruits guys. I want the Holy Ghost now. I want the listeners to know we talked about going to church. You might be going to church with us in another Nation Oh my God, baby, baby. You got the money, honey. Maybe the money how we gonna be seeing you down under with some thunderstorms in the Thunderdome. I love that still Small Voice. Can we just I'm just hanging out of my hands. Yeah. Back in the hole. I mean 10 less who you know want to have a prophetic panic and call my job and tell them to let me off of that week. I'ma get the Holy Spirit to call my job. You just have to do what he wants to say about all this. That's all that's all I'm going to do because if you want you to have a holiday you will provide right? I want to actually say that is there anyone that the holy spirit is Is leading us to have a word for yeah, I think we should include that in our segments. Yeah, I think so. Great. Yeah, I think so. I was actually picking up on something before when Pastor Tony was talking about A woman in Beijing. I actually got a woman and this woman is in Australia and She's listening to portals. But for funny enough reasons, the Lord is showing me that she's from an African nation. Wow. She's an Australian in Australia. She's from an African nation. She's listening to portals and the Lord would just say to you my daughter. The Panic is trying to set in to move prematurely. The Panic is trying to set in to cut things short, but my daughter my voice, is that still small voice? Don't listen to those things and those people around you that are pushing you to move but wait on my spirit and I will guide you for the next step. The Lord says the healing that you've been crying out for in relationships is coming. But I've been using that 11 hours and 59 minutes to get people to a place to see who you are and who I am in you don't force it down their throats, but wait on my spirit my daughter. And I will show you that I am the reconciler. I am the bridge builder and I am the one who authors all things. Wow, so that's a woman in Australia. So, holy spirit that you want to speak to someone. I get the word London. There's someone day in London a young girl a young woman. And she's very lonely very very lonely. And she's very depressed because she's continually thinking if I could have done this if I would have done this I should have done this. Can I give you the word of the Lord that says? You cannot go back and do what you're thinking. You can only go forward and do what you're thinking. So the Holy Spirit wants you to know he will give you the opportunity to right this wrong. And to bring relationship back to the family. I'm hearing the Lord say he will visit you. As a restorer of the bridge. Wow, yes. I believe it was showing me Michigan that there was a young male in Michigan that has been kind of in a repetitive cycle. There's been either the mundane of going to work do this or even if it's just going to church do this. It's just been this psycho repetitiveness and I felt at least you say my son. It was the psycho. Is now breaking and do not draw near Panic. Do not draw near any fear that I am breaking familiarity with your pattern. So that way you can grow that I'll be calling you out of this repetitiveness and bring you something new says the Lord and please do not fear because my hand is in it your state resembles a hand but I want your hands off so my hands can be on it and my hands already in it as well since when Hmm. Wow, thank you. Holy spirit. Thank you for your flow. Holy Spirit. Even as the listeners. Listen Lord the Lord would just say to the listeners to finalize it. Come out of the cave. Mmm. I didn't call you into the cave come out of the cave because just like a larger I'm asking you. What are you doing here? Yes, don't predict the way I'm going to speak. And I've given you an assignment when I when you come out of the cave, I given you a specific position and a specific assignment, but don't take the timing for that assignment out of my hands and don't see the time is an enemy the true enemy is you being able to be predicted. Wow. Guys, this is Ben. I've just like to say to our listeners if these people are listening and I know they will be in the future. Hmm. The holy spirit is leading, please write us. Yes, you know, we want to know that this has landed for you like, you know write us at info at talk NYC and just write us about the portals testimony you hate that was for me, you know, you were speaking to me that landed I that was exactly what I needed to hear. You know, it's you know that we overcome by the blood of the lamb and the word of our Testimony and that encouragement will encourage so many other people that God can be so personal for them. Shanaya that he could use a team in New York City to speak to them wherever they are in the world and let them know that he is in control of their life and he loves them enough to let complete strangers be spoken to so that he can show them that he is aware. I have another word. Wow, and this is for someone I'm not going to say names here because it will describe. I have another word for a man and his wife. And the word of the Lord is for you get ready son. Your business will be launched in the month of February. Get ready. The Lord says Get Ready. Amen to that guys, hopefully you can always take the Overflow. So now hopefully you can always take the Overflow of these words and apply it let it be your testimony as well because when one is blessed we are all blessed. Amen and guys, this has been another episode of Bye-bye now.

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Hey guys, welcome to be on the a the purpose of the idea is to distinguish has anxiety and give you the tools and resources to succeed in your career. I'm so excited to have my good friend here Samson Chen who's here with us to speak. He is a current associate with McMillan doing technology privacy Healthcare. Also, you also part of a start-up I heard that's right and invited to that and actually more importantly you are now the current president of the Federation of educating Motors DC. Yes.So hit thanks for being here today. No, thank you for having me. So as you may know I'm part of this podcast is just to open up the conversation. All right, anxiety mental health whether someone you've you'd experience yourself or you've seen others who have because I think right now in the legal industry, it's so swept out of the rock is not really talked about at all. Right. So maybe let's start with that like, you know in your time experiences does anxiety existing legal profession. Yeah. Absolutely. I think it's already exists in like all of of them's like ever since you start involves was a law student. There is bodies like peer pressure. There's a lot of competition for me for a couple. I'm from the UBC faculty of Law and were graded by bell curve. So by nature is you're already pretty but I always competing with someone so you're not 10 not technically rank, but you are so Like I see a lot of situations where people get super-anxious their grades are not as good as the friends and you know, the whole oci's like the law firms are proven coming and that's another like fusions ID point because that could make or break your legal career when you start and there's a lot of misconception of what's the best way to see as a lawyer also Campbell. Explain that to you too can really teach you about that. And and so when you jump to the practice practice often quite different than the legal education and that is another I'll build out of fighting for promotion and fighting for practice areas so lot of expectations. So I think there is always poison inside throughout the career. So it's not like something latest finish that first here once you get into law school, everything is easy. No, it did not. No, it is anything you got it worse. Yeah, and that's what I appreciate about you is Hanson in having you here today? Because I know when you Mentor law students who junior lawyers you I think you're very friendly very open and honest, right? And yeah, and I really enjoy that like that about you and that's why we're here. Yeah, because I think it's a conversation needs to be had more and it is unfortunate. Love lawyers don't like to speak up about their own issues or about firm practice. Students often don't get the full picture and we were talking earlier before we were recording about how a lot of firms have this like window dressing I guess right but how the different initiatives are on and leading up to that. Why do you think firms and are not fond of talking about this? What do you think? It is looking hear me? Um, I think there are certain State mom, too. Showing weakness in the profession. I mean I say that from a solicitor side which probably less prominent than maybe they'll litigation side where you're perceived as someone who's strong with be not afraid of adversarial situations. So I think a lot of lawyers in their mind. They think they have to be Like I said her personality and being anxious being scared me nervous. It's not one of them. Okay, so link clicking back on what you said earlier about how like sometimes it's like sometimes past employment overturn in rhyme. I feel like quitting it's funny how that is right where it's like you pretend I was happening and then you just fall off the cliff. Yep, and that's kind of why we're doing this right like the must be a way of preventing that from happening or some kind of checked. between yeah, I think a lot of these people go to like a point of no return because they feel stuck and might digress a little bit but I think the expectations of lawyers often when you don't firm, you're supposed to follow a certain path. So go ahead handcuffed partnership track. So you don't really want to talk about you not being able to withstand the stress then, you know, it's either issue because you might fall off that track and if you follow the track that someone else going to take your position every year there's new students. There's actually no shortage. of lawyers competing especially at bigger firms, you know, there's only so many positions so that I think makes the whole situation worse because not only are you afraid of showing weakness just because there's that perceive personality that you're supposed to have but it's because even for like just job security If you're not on the track anger off, which means you might get fired so sounds like there's some structural aspects of this to it. Absolutely the way this is yellow absolute and I guess maybe reflect on your experiences. Was there a time when you experienced a severe anxiety or stress in the moment and what happened and like, how did you how did you come on it? Yeah, I mean stress wise I'm a fairly optimistic person by Nature by nature and fruit Prior to law school I was in the medical field. So I was one of those pre-meds trying to get into medical school and that's like way more competitive than get into law school. So by you know failing throughout the process and actually getting into under medical school in Asia, but then decided that's not right for me. That taught me a lot of being having Presbyterians and really understanding what I want to get out of my career my job. So having that mindset allows me to see things from a wider perspective and with more purpose so I don't get the same Stress and Anxiety that I love people get throughout the legal process, but for all through law school or the legal career. But what I have seen like in terms of anxiety for people, like I said, like oci's is the number of one like a fairy first step. I think all students can talk Shoreline. So for my personal experience, I had 17 18 oci's, which is actually quite a lot and at that time like I would think at least one what irony? Yeah, you know, I'm a pretty decent grades. I think I pretty good resume and then I thought I click pretty well with some of the firm's dinners either lunches that you would expect and then I have no offer. Mmm, so it was disappointing but it wasn't a stressful as it could have been because While I was hopeful, I wasn't being unrealistic. So I mean taking contact with all of the models yet friends. So I wasn't one of those students who are put all eggs in one basket and just go hard and we'll see eyes and just think that would be it, right? Yeah. I made sure I contacted a pharmacist because realistically I don't know the friends. All firms Market themselves as the best right? They send the best people. Oh, they're not going to send people with terrible personality of so make sure eye contact with small firms to because maybe I don't like a chrome. Maybe I prefer smaller firms like as a student you don't know and because of that I know even if different don't work out as a student. There's always someplace for me. It won't matter. What do I want to get out of this experience? So in second year third year after oci that you don't need to remain focused most were so try to do my best and courses. I start taking courses that I think would benefit back from Iron right now start taking courses that I've always interesting. So I thought like Japanese well write Chinese law. Not like Securities or so many other courses. I had something like business concentration stuff like that. So because of that I gave myself more options. So when it comes to getting our King interviews, I also didn't get an offer from the big Pharma Soul even McMillan never interviewed me as a student now. We'll never grow your own never didn't give you see eyes. I didn't even tell the call. My previous room Singleton they rejected me through. Yeah, so they get shows you there's no one path. Yeah to sucess whatever that means to you. So yeah in the end I kind of got what I wanted out of the Farms that I've worked in. And here I am like building the firm that never gave me any age of you any coffee chat. That's amazing. And I think I'm gonna zoom in on come we said earlier on the that mindset piece, right the fact that you had that utter conviction in the evening what your purpose was to write what the end goal and I think that the people that talk to you sounds like it is put us that mindset right but having that right mindset going in but and using that as a way to kind of guide where you're going and I think Absolutely funny and very refreshing to hear that. You know that this is one guy who seems like he is great associate. He is now president of faculty and you think you start as a 1l or you were there even before law school started. Yeah plasma not it was that path to get to where you are and but definitely lead to very much success down the road to as well. So yeah, not the smoothest path now, I'm sure. Yeah, I'm not complaining that quite often is not that some this path and I just love how you reflected on how there's many ways of getting to where you are as well right now, I guess leading on to more of a like a future-oriented question. Now, we kind of touched upon us briefly. But you know, one of the questions were at a panel not too long ago for faculty and one of the students asked what a myself I'm having anxiety and who do I talk to in my firm? Who do I talk to force a right? And I think you asking that question to right there quite often, you know, we're all going through things and who do I talk to you? So in your instance, like what would your suggestion of your advice be to several suggestions are actually so one. All lawyers and law students should make sure to circle of friends. It's not just lawyers police. Like do not be one of those people where your work life and your personal life filled with people from saying industry because I have been friends for about an industry. Not only is it better for business networking, but you see things from a different perspective and probably be more open to talk about like your issues with Leverage. With the client people you deal with while maintaining confidentiality, but I think is more refreshing and keep you sane do not have like the same folks and then second, you know, that's where organization like that works is you want to have an organization that won't judge you the same way. You think your friend rejection or your peers? That doesn't really share the same bond order same struggles. No being Asian. Doesn't help but they happen naturally Asians tend to be I find more anxious more nervous because I think we're we're really protectionist, but we do want to make sure we do things right and get things done. Right? So we put a lot of pressure on ourselves. Even if you don't your parents might yeah, it really does mine compare you and agent and cannot speak up a lot about the struggles. Issues, so everything just build up and one day you just can't stand it anymore. So we have an organization like faculty. You have people who probably share the same same issues. It's always easier to talk when you know people understand I think there is it doesn't matter which firm you're at. It's it's really important to find someone who would fault for you that it doesn't have to be a supervising partner. I'd be able to eat. Yes, but sometimes thought the best day and and sometimes you just have to leave the firm and change firm. So by that, I mean don't just change because of the personality because like was going as all firms have terrible people and good. Yeah, I might For the sake of I don't want to work with these people. You don't know what the people are like at the end of term or people can move around. Maybe the people you don't like when move to your new friend by things happen. Let people do move around. Yeah. So if it's like a really bad situation, you should also move because of like practice reason, you know, if the firm is in supportive of what you're trying to achieve in your practice, that's a really good reason to leave that might be a reason why you're anxious. Yeah that you feel like You're not doing something you enjoy you're not learning as much as you want. Yeah, and so at some point you have to make the cut and but to do that you have to be quite open to meet new people. And I think that does also help with the V8 anxiety stuff when you know, you have options, you know, you know people Beyond just your firm so get the key is to feel Not us. Fuck. Yeah in your situation, you know by joining stuff like that or if this meeting people outside of firm ass off the wall and just knowing you have options that helps a lot that's super powerful and the fact that you talk to me like those three points i-it's so Salient that'll go on Instagram somewhere. I'm sure so hopefully this helps some people but part of it is also that year Right, you know reaching outside of your firm, right? If sometimes yeah, yeah, there's practicalities, you know, we're not advocating if things do go bad like you feel afraid to talk to your principal your supervising partner, like by all means talk to someone else, right? Yeah have another point of contact exactly. I just go through it and there's just so much to be said about because I think we're all in this together and I'll start we're getting stuff like this is just kind of open up that conversation, right? No, I think it's great. You guys are doing stuff like this. Yeah. And there's one question. I want I know what I want to tailor it color it c as well and as you know beyond a it's for all Canadians all Asians all Americans not just Asian actually all Races because anxiety puts his all but today we're so fortunate to have sent some here today because you know, it'll be president of the Federation of Asian Canadian lawyers very well established organization. Not just only in BC, but all across Canada and its affiliated with our us partners to Papa so you kind of touched upon earlier. Earlier about the Asian stigma mind dying with David little bit more kind of what do you think it is that's holding agents back and that causes perhaps a different aspect of anxiety in Asian Canadians Asian Americans. You mean in the legal profession legally dress? I mean Asians are ready minority in a society, you know the legal profession you're really minor here talk about like especially like bigger firms your talk about less than 10% for sure. And then when it comes to like senior level even less so just by that alone, you kind of feel like you have to beat the odds. So you have a lot of pressure already if partnership track. It's like the only thing that works. And like Amendment for cultural reasons why the way we raise expectations being filled like your other thoughts or engineer or lawyer? So the state already has a lawyer but I do can fail like what if you tell your parents what the hell? You know what this doesn't work for me. I'm gonna go back to being an artist, but excuse me. You just wasted so much tuition and what am I? Say to like my friends or family. So that is so is that issue to like some people write and I think Asians income does not us flexible because raw is actually a pretty flexible education career like I mean greenhouse and I know some people become like a policy analyst so people started own business some people do both like me. Yeah, so you can do a lot Beyond as offering but I think if Asians naturally don't have that mindset of Do more than one thing at a time this legal education thing doesn't mean you have to be a lawyer you could do something else. Until they start thinking like that and more thinking for themselves basically because ultimately goes back to asking yourself. What do I want? Right and not being very submissive to like an employee employer mindset of what what does the law firm want for me? Right? You should actually ask what I want to get out of the farm right that and that that that's my the might just drop that we descend the podcast on that line, right because what that that's a laudable right? It's like what do I want like that? Yeah, some for such a simple question, but we don't ask that and we feel like we lose that personal agency right that ready to change the ability to be flexible. Right as you're saying right you once we feel that everything is on our shoulders. It's so easy just to fall off that cliff and right foot long, which is not what we Advocate at all in this in this in this young age has to know guys the mindset and strategies right because it could work. Yeah Lobby it does. Yeah. But you have to make it work as well. So I know we're coming close to the end of the podcast. I had one last question that we normally ask all I guess so Samson, if you were to take yourself back in time to the young Samson the the first day of law school even the day before the night before the first day of school. Yeah, and if you were to open up a letter or you listen to a suddenly you see this podcast of yourself in the future talking to your old self. What is something Tell yourself at that moment of time I what's one piece of advice that you'd say. I would tell my younger self. Yeah. They go. It's hallway ourselves to not take things too personally about the process because I think that's one of the huge factor of why. People may feel anxious for the whole thing because you did take it personally first rejection, you're not doing as well as other civilians and it's so easy to fall under them. But once you don't take things personally like law firms is a business. They may not pick you for many reasons. Maybe what your good eye on the resume isn't what they need at this moment. Then I think everything else would fly to places because now you start thinking about stuff yourself and not always beating yourself up. So I wasn't doing a lot of that but I could have done to less because I didn't enjoy law school that much but to be honest, I didn't feel like a teacher's me a lot better practice. And I think that's just the nature of law school. So yeah, I don't know. That's what Our Telecom yourself amazing. Well, thank you. Thank you. That was that was amazing. And hey guys, you want to learn more about Samson Chan follow us at at beyond the eighth at Sea on Instagram also faculty. See we have our website. You can join our events. We have a big Gala coming up in November and Shameless plug. We're actually doing a oci interview Workshop in September. So if you want to learn how to manage anxiety and also get the interview skills, come join us for workshop, and that's not well. I'll see you next time. Yeah, thank you. Okay.

Anxiety is a double-edged sword. It affects one’s performance, and may even become detrimental to finding a fulfilling career in law. The lack of dialogue on the topic at a firm can further exacerbate the experience felt by each individual and ultimately lead to departure. In the uphill battle of our high performing profession, Samson Chan offers his perspective as a leader of the Asian Canadian legal community in British Columbia, and as a star associate at McMillan LLP. In a profession where stress and anxiety seem inevitable, Samson weighs in on how to manage stress and failure while staying successful. Optimistic by nature, Samson maintained his cool even after not landing directly at a firm through OCIs. His past experience as a pre-med student who chose an alternative career in law helped prepare him for handling pushback. He is a representation of the saying “there’s no one path to success.” Samson’s wisdom is poignant and relatable. His past experiences with failing honed his perseverance and helped him keep the focus on what he wants out of his career. As an Asian-Canadian lawyer, Samson acknowledges that culturally there is a perfectionist tendency that is self-imposed and/or stemming from expecting relatives and parents. The added pressure as a visible minority in the law firm reflects on the need to shift entrenched perspectives and “norms”. Samson advocates for breaking out of the stereotypical and recognizing that one can pursue multiple passions - like working in business and law concurrently. He practices what he says by working as a strategic advisor for a startup while balancing his busy associate practice. For students and young associates dealing with anxiety, Samson offered three practical tips on how to stay balanced: (1) Have friends in different industries besides law (2) Be involved in groups or organizations that bring diverse perspectives (3) Find someone who will vouch for you. One last take away from Samson? If he was back to the day before he started law school, he would tell his younger self not to take things too personally. When it comes to hiring, firms are ultimately a business, and there’s a variety of reasons they might not choose you at that moment, you can create value with what you bring regardless of where you are. -- For details on our upcoming Beyond the A workshop on interviews on Sat, September 14, visit: https://beyondthea.co/events/2019/9/14/interview-oci-workshop-vancouver

What's going on guys? You guys are tuning into the project a podcast. My name is Omar. Zini. I'm going to be your host for this episode and the episodes to come if you're new to the channel and you to the podcast on the founder of project K Academy and I started this channel back in 2016 growing up. I was just like so many of you guys I was a goalkeeper and someone that was always looking for more and more content to learn from whether it was on YouTube whether it was through just matches on TV, whatever it is. I was always looking for that next piece of content that can take my game to the next level. After I stopped playing though, I realized that there just wasn't enough of it being produced. So I just decided to start the Channel with the hope of kind of providing that sort of outlet for so many of you that are just like me and are eager to learn and trying to get better as a goalkeeper and to kind of become more of a student of the game. So as many of you guys may or may not know I was on the podcast called inside the 18 where we would have interviews with top goalkeepers goalkeeper coaches and review the weekend goalkeeping, although I will not be joining them as often as I used to. I would highly recommend that you guys still sent to that podcast because Mike and Pat they provide a lot of goalkeeping knowledge and have a lot to offer to you guys and the goalkeeping community. So please make sure you guys check those guys out and I will have a segment here and there with them so catch me on there as well with this podcast though. I'll be publishing Evergreen content on a weekly basis for you guys what that essentially means is that I'm going to be covering topics that whether you guys listen to them today tomorrow in the ear. They're always going to be relevant a lot of you a and a lot of issues that are recurring issues for us as goalkeepers, whether that's confidence issues technical tactical issues all of that stuff and I will be doing that at least twice a week for the next ten weeks with all that being said, let's get going with episode one in episode one. I'll be answering a question from Instagram follower Logan Leatherman Logan asked me hey Omar. I heard you mention that you were a part of the LA Galaxy Academy growing up. What did it take for you to get there? And what kind of work should I be putting in now to? Into a development Academy and so to answer Logan's question. I want to dive a bit deeper into my youth career and time prior to the LA Galaxy Academy. I feel that that would be a good starting point where I could go into depth on some of the skills and habits. I learned at a young age that would prove to be the difference for me later in the episode. I'll be breaking down some of the habits that I wish I had had the discipline to master at that young of an age. There are a few core things that when I reflect on my career, I wish I had developed at a younger age those corporate. In suppose or lack thereof would have massively impacted my game as I progressed into the next stages of my career and lastly. I'll get my final thoughts on what I believe to be the most important habits for young goalkeepers at different ages. All right guys. So without further Ado, let's get into episode 1. Yeah. Alright guys, so I've been a little bit into my youth career. I kind of want to give you guys some back story on how I got into the game and all the little things that I learned along the way that would prove to really be the difference. Once I turned 15 and was able to play in front of an LA Galaxy Scout. So I started playing around six or seven years old AYSO just like everybody else very straightforward. I was a forward at the beginning didn't really like to run that much but just because the field was really really Compact and really small I was able to get away with it. I still remember early on Eon where I didn't really have much awareness either like the coach would say, oh my you're playing left back right back and I never knew what a position was or what those positions meant. So I would always just slowly gravitate towards the forward to the field or the front of the field and I was much bigger than everybody else. So I was able to shoot the ball a lot harder so coaches I okay. We'll make an exception you can continue playing up top no biggie for us. But as soon as the field started getting a little bit too big and I started having to run a little too much I was thrown and goal. Right away. I just kind of fell in love with just the adrenaline of being back there. And to be honest with you guys. I still got the same amount of snacks at halftime. I still got the same amount of matter of orange slices amount of water, but I had to do half the work so I was kind of like, all right, like I enjoy this position at the same time to cool with, you know, reaping all the benefits that the field players are going to get when them, you know, they're playing the entire game running up and down the field. So I'm cool with that. So that happens and little by little I start, you know, becoming more interested in understanding what are certain movements that make professional goalkeeper successful. So I'm watching these games on TV and I think I hit probably around 10 years old and I started noticing how goalkeepers move their wall and how they played a high line and you know how they distributed the ball out of the back and just started noticing all those little things and really started to pick up on them. And so my dad and my mom realized okay. Hey, he obviously has an interest in playing the position. So let's put him in an official team. So we have some family friends. And again, I was much taller disclaimer when I was younger. I grew to like five seven five eight a lot faster than a lot of my friends and teammates. So anytime I would play in the game whether it was you 10 or whenever people would always say that guy's too old lets check his birth certificate that used to be the running joke, but I was much taller. So my parents said hey, you know, there's a you 12-team you're 10 years old, but hey, you're obviously physically at that level. So let's put you in there. So I joined this team. It was probably one of the worst teams I've ever played on just Terrible organization and as we all know different tiers in the Youth System. I was in the bronze level. So it was you 12 but like the worst of the worst so I joined this team and pretty much every single game. We were losing six two seven zero and I remember I was getting shit from like half filled and I was conceding some goals that were pretty just the were so bad that if my parents had come up to me and said yo, we're going to get in the car early just meet us a few blocks down the street then I probably would have said in hindsight. Yep that makes It's because I'm embarrassing you guys because there was a lot of rumbling on the sidelines a lot of people, you know saying this goalkeeper needs to be benched and all this stuff. So I kept thinking. Okay. I love the adrenaline when I first started playing for this a so team where the teams weren't very good. I got to take a lot of goal kicks. Kick the ball up the field as much as I can I could but now I'm losing six to seven is zero. I don't want to come to these games anymore. I don't really enjoy being on this team anymore. We had a family friend of ours named Sharif sane and he contacted my parents and Said hey, we have his team. It's the gold level but it's under 11. So when your son is obviously 10 now when it turns 11 this team is perfect for him. They need a goalkeeper and it's very high level. We think your son is ready for it. And so I my parents said look, you know, there's an opportunity for you to go to a much better team and you know, you're not going to be playing with older kids anymore going to be playing your level. So I think that is you know, the best way to go so I said, okay let's let's make this happen. I mean, I don't really have anything to anything negative to say about But again, I'm just not really enjoying playing anymore. I'm just nervous all the time and it's not something that I really look forward to any more. So I'm sure a lot of kids, you know, a lot of young goalkeepers have had that feeling as you get older you start to understand. Wow. Okay, there's a lot more on the line and there's a lot more people that you know care about wins and losses that actual development. So there comes a little bit of nerves but at the same time to it's that high risk High reward, so, you know, my parents explained that to me at a young age. So I said, okay, I'll do it. I remember I was about to turn 11 and I joined this team FC Barcelona, which is in Pasadena, California Sharif Hussein, very intense guy, if anybody knows who he is just very intense very professional and will definitely give you an earful if you want aren't in shape. You don't know how to play his system, which is the goalkeepers XI feel player, which was to me one of the big reasons why I was successful, but I'll get to that later. And so we got that installed in a super super early by Arco Sharif and My first day I'll never forget it. I showed up didn't even have the right attire completely looked like a sore thumb out there and we're playing as the you 11 team against the you 12 team and the u12 team is in little scrimmage their team is essentially, you know, they have probably ten players from that team that won professional. So right away my eyes had to be trained to see and understand that this style of play was going to be a lot faster than when I was accustomed to and without really much formal training. I was kind of of thrown into this environment where mediocre just wasn't acceptable so that kind of fast track me a little bit and made me understand that it was fight or flight like I could either show up every single week completely nervous so I can figure out a way to develop and get better. So that's kind of when I started realizing there was a few things that I could start using in my favor. The first was watching game film and I still remember again vividly one day were playing And stay team in the in the final of the tournament and I was probably at like 2:00 p.m. On a Sunday. But Arsenal was playing that morning and they were playing against man united or they're playing a big game and we don't have TiVo back then we couldn't record anything. So we had to watch things live. So I woke up about 6:00 in the morning set my alarm woke up watch the game and my dad comes out and he's just like yo, so what's going on don't you have a game at to clock go back to sleep? It's like no, you know, I'm I'm an Arsenal fan and I really enjoy the game and I you know, I give him a lot of pushback and he realized okay, there's no point in arguing because you're not going to go back to sleep. So and his mind he said look if you're just watching this to watch it. Then you're going to be wasting your time. Like why are you watching it? It's like well, you know, I love the goalkeeper. I love Yen's Layman. I love the way they play. I love Thierry Henry. Robert Perez is when they were The Untouchables and so he said, okay. Well in that case you're wasting your time. Do yourself a favor and watch the goal. Fever and see how he commands his back line, see how he talks to his Defender see what he does so that you can learn from that and take it into your game. So, you know I said, okay, that's what's going to get you off my back. I will listen kept watching and watching and he was right. I just kept understand trying to understand why ends Layman was just such a force back there and how he commanded his Defenders and how he earned their respect from some of the big saves he made and kept thinking to myself. Wow. Okay. Let me see how high of a line he plays. Let me see how he plays out of the back. Let me see how he organizes his walls. Let me see how you know what he does when his team is up 1-0 in the 90th minute what they're doing when they're down 1-0 in the 90th minute keep watching and try to learn become cerebro and understand what they're doing. So I kept watching that and I kept trying to understand all the little nuances that came with the position then came the game days and I started trying to implement those things and it was back in 2004. We watched O'er my parents actually purchased the VD set of the 2004 euros and it was in the time where Greece ended up playing Portugal in the final and it was every single game with every single highlight and we had the Honda Odyssey. We used to put that DVD in and I would watch it every single time before a game and there was a time I think they hit a ball over the top and Iker Casillas comes out out of his box. Probably 25 yards out. He comes out and headers the ball out for a throw out throw out for a throwing and in my game that day. They hit a long ball over the top I cheated. Off my line just like a see us did and I won the header cleared out of balance and I remember like some some of the parents were like, wow. Like how does he know how to do that or like that's so unorthodox. How does he know how to do that and right away it sugared in my head. I was like, oh my God, that's the key you have to watch these professionals and whether their unorthodox their Orthodox, whatever it is, you can take little pieces of what they do and try and implement it into your game. So as I was telling you guys that's one of the major Use your key points that I would highlight two young kids out there. If you can watch your own games or watch game footage or training footage professional goalkeeper as you can see and try to analyze what they do and why they do it when you watch it though, right? Like my dad said remember it's all about the context. You have to understand why they're doing it in that moment. And what was in front of them? What did they see watch it on replay keep watching different angles and see what they saw so that once you're in that game you have that mental recall and you have the ability. To call on something that's not necessarily you but it's something else that you saw and in that moment. You can kind of fall back on something. So that's what one aspect of the game that I definitely felt at a young age. I really really capitalized on and something that essentially developed my game and I became somebody who is as you guys know now through Pro GK loves to analyze film that really started at that adolescence phase when I was a young kid kind of still molding my approach to the game molding my habits as I watched it. So that's one aspect that It got me to the LA Galaxy Academy. The second thing I would tell you guys is that after watching all that film and some of the film of myself and goal. I started understanding that there was different parts of my game that I could manipulate and for me because I was so slow because I was very very tall and just kind of lanky I wasn't able to come off my line very fast. And when I played for that team that was under 10 team, excuse me, 10 or 12 team at 10 years old. That was one of the main reasons how I got scored on was because I kept getting chipped. I started staying so If our back on my line that ball is over the top now I was so late to and I became you know, someone who was second guessing and someone that was a second too late or I would come out and completely missed the ball and my decision-making was so off. It was embarrassing and it was just one of those things that you know, if you're another team or your head coach of a team you say Scouting Report The Keeper. So sloth is line lets, you know bait them out and let's see what he can do make him make a decision. So I started watching ends Layman Iker Casillas Buffon and started understanding. We're trying to understand what made them successful and how were they so quick off of their line. So for me, obviously Buffon and Casillas, I think a see us now is retired because of his heart issue, but those two for me in terms of longevity. They've been able to continue their primes and really try to squeeze out every last thing their talent out there because they know how to read the game so well, so I'm watching these guys week in and week out trying to read their body shape and how they set themselves up as the ball was being played. So I remember one time I was watching Barcelona Real Madrid. They hit a ball over the top and Casillas comes out Ford's the attack just comes out left foot sit up the field and it was almost one of those situations that had he been like two or three steps late. I think it was Rinaldi know where I'd Echo one of those guys who was coming in behind that they would have beaten them to the ball. So I said, wow, okay, that's that trigger something in my head. Well, okay, how can I manipulate my positioning to be kind of like to see us but play Within my own In my own ability once I can answer that question that is going to be the complete unlock and I'm not going to tell you guys that I use this terminology from with myself back in the day, but I definitely had some way of comprehending it that was easy for me to understand so next game I go or next training I go out and I start cheating off my line a little bit expanding my range yard by yard by yard. Okay again, I'm not going to tell you that. I woke up the next day and I was Miles ahead of everybody or miles ahead of my old self and was able to read the game and became a sweeper keeper that other people applauded. No, it's not true. It was manifested through days and days and weeks and weeks and years and years of just expanding my range a little bit more understanding was I fast on that day or what was the forward looking to do once he got in behind is it best if I cheat off my line to at least show a high line, but if I can't get it do I drop off? So you start trying to kind of force yourself to think of different ways. Is or you have different questions that you're trying to answer and with that expanding of the Ranger answering those questions in your you know, checking those boxes that you otherwise wouldn't be checking off if you didn't try something new and to me that was just like again the biggest unlock mental unlock for me. So there were times where I started understanding that one my team stepped up and we were playing the offside trap a lot if I minimize the space in between them and me I could capitalize on any ball over the top. So when I started to understand that concept I cheated off my line and when I saw the full word or she's me when I saw the midfielders or the centre-backs put their heads down. I had an idea. Okay, they're probably going to kick this ball. So I was in a staggered position, which means one leg forward one leg back. I would have my shoulders essentially kind of like pivoted just a little bit. So I'm almost in a running position and I would kind of like seesaw back and forth between my front foot and my back foot and I would do this because And I don't want to get chips. So if I needed to I could see saw back to my back foot and recover back to the line or go to the front foot and be on the front foot to chase down anything in behind. So I was going back and forth. And again, I would just kind of start to go back and forth back and forth trying to read the defender or the center midfielder. And finally when I started seeing from my peripheral vision, there was a forward making that run that's when I knew okay. This might be an opportunity for me to cut it out before it even happens. So again, I started off from like 10 yards out, which is probably Lie, right around the PK area then I went little by little by little forward and forward and as I started expanding my range I started realizing I could close down the space a lot quicker and a lot faster. So again, that is something that I learned from watching game film and understanding how to manipulate my positioning and my game so that my weaknesses were no longer weaknesses, but rather my strengths and that happened over a long period of time and it mainly happened because I was willing to fail and my coaching If was willing to let me fail they kept saying look Omar. It's okay if you get scored on we understand but you need to get better at this. So whether it's balls at your feet or whether it's balls and behind or crosses, you need to understand that to make progress. You have to make mistakes and I was very very fortunate that my coaching staff like have that wherewithal or had that understanding that you need to give kids freedom and the ability to make mistakes, of course, there's going to be repercussions, but let them be themselves. Then play with their instincts so they can grow their Instinct can get that instinct that much sharper so that when they're thrown into that situation, whether it's now or in the future, at least they have some experience with it versus being completely green. So those two things were massive in my development and then one last point that I will that I will highlight here is that I was almost addicted to training. I just love the position. I love playing so so much that it was almost addicting at that point. I was probably around 13 or 14 years old playing with this team now and we were we had want everything on I was under 13, probably national champions Regional Champions, and we were one of the best teams in the country and at that very same time my uncle from Mexico who played in the Mexican national team system when he was younger and play fourth Echoes and Liga MX get it tomorrow a few teams in Liga MX. He came back because he was running a business here and he decided that he wanted to be with his family. So he retires at around the same time. Time then I'm kind of entering that crucial period of development around 12 and 13 years old. So he comes back he starts training me once every other week or once a week and that obviously that advice and his coaching style was extremely vital and how I approach the game and how he set the sessions up and the intensity within the sessions his voice in the sessions and how it essentially made me want to be out there more and more and more so I can get better. So again right around the same time, Cherie. Zane who is the head of the club? He had these things called shooting Clinic shooting Clinic was free to the goalkeepers, but the fuel players had to come out and pay I think $20. So for us, it was a steal and my sister my brother were a part of the club as well. So they came out for the shooting clinic. So the way he would do it is he would have from different angles. He'd have guy shoot they'd hand him the ball. He drop it. It would be full volley half-volley and one touch finish from every single angle. And then we did one be ones then chips over the top and through Also, there was a lot of things being covered and I used to do is they used to have an older session on Tuesdays and then on Wednesdays that have the younger kids and on Mondays and Wednesdays where my sessions and then Tuesdays and Thursdays were my sister's training. So I would go to all the shooting clinics my sister's trainings and my own trainings. So again, like I said, I was addicted to the feeling of improvement and getting better and coupling that with like manipulating my game not so much even coming off. My line anymore was manipulating my positioning. Okay, so I may not be the fastest guy to get down. So how can I maybe set a little bit lower or set more neutral so that I can get those little balls and I can also get the high balls but I got shot after shot after shot and I was conceding goals sometimes and he used to call me a donut a taco a hamburger, you know, all those little derogatory terms that you say to somebody who may be overweight but it made me better because I wanted to kind of prove him wrong and say look like I'm going to show you that I can make improvements every single week and that's a I did every single week. I kept going out there and getting better and better and better and he would pull me aside every once in a while. I was like Omar, you know, I know I say some things here and there but like I'm really like your progressions are really good keep working. So I'd kept coming out kept coming out and I learned so much about shot stopping and how you're supposed to set that by the time I hit 14 and 15 years old. I was probably one of the best shots Toppers because I hide probably took about 250 to 300 shots every single week and with that repetition you learn so much. And again, it's the failure. I filled so so many times in those sessions over and over and over you kind of have that fight or flight moment understanding that you have to fight to understand how to get better and what to do to get better. So I did that and now it's about I'm 15 years old my team we hit kind of a wall like we're doing okay. We're still a pretty good team, but we're not winning the same trophies that we used to or not winning as often as we used to but then this opportunity comes up where the development Academy for the LA Galaxy is becoming a thing. So there's one game we end up playing against the Women's National Team. It was 2007. We're playing against them. They're getting ready for the world cup. So they're doing a tune-up game. And if you guys remember from the 2019 World Cup, this this world cup the Women's National team lost to an FC Dallas you 15 boys team. I think it was four one five one. And so I never really wanted to share the story of how we beat the Women's National Team or the score line. But when we play them in 2007, we're all we're a group of 15 year olds our team Barcelona and Beat them 5:1 it really wasn't much of a game. I probably did one or two things. There was a time where the ball got passed back to me and we're up five one and I was juggling the ball and then I picked it up. So like the game wasn't amazing, but I definitely needed to make some saves and come out for crosses and play with my feet a certain way. So I showed well and then we went to the peak a shootout and I saved two pka's. I think we won that three to two or four to two after the game Briana Scurry who's one of my heroes she came up to to me and shows like you're you know, that was an amazing game like congrats to you. Hopefully have a good career. And then I Hope Solo came up to me and she was like man, you're a stud and I was just like, holy crap like these are too like the best woman goalkeepers I've ever like I've ever seen and they're just they're huge huge names and big names in there on their profession. So I was in awe and not too long after Matt mental who was the goalkeeper coach LMU and he was going to be the goalkeeper coach for the LA Galaxy walks up to me and he says Hey Omar. Just want to introduce myself. I'm going to be the goalkeeper coach for the LA Galaxy Academy and we'd love to have you come out and play for the team. And I said okay, you know kind of committed to this team and I would really, you know don't want to upset anybody because they've done so much for me. But thank you. I appreciate it will be in contact and then he reaches out again and they said hey, we need you to come out to one of the sessions. Are you interested? I said, okay. He said yeah, like we've contacted a bunch of your teammates as well. And we want them to come out so fast forward probably three four months and seven or eight. Of our Academy or choose me seven or eight of our Barcelona players from my team. We're all signed by the Galaxy Academy. So essentially that team not disbanded but a lot of the better players ended up going to the Galaxy Academy and here we were at 15 playing with an MLs Academy. So that was like the Pinnacle of kind of all that hard work and in the moment, I wouldn't necessarily say that I remember all that stuff or I could even at that age pinpoint in attribute all that work. To that moment or culminating in that moment, but now that I look back I realize oh my God everything. I just said to you guys which is you know, watching the game film manipulating my positioning my game and overtraining and being someone that looked forward to training and getting better. That was all coming to the Forefront as I showed well in front of the Galaxy Academy and so, you know, when I joined the academy there was a lot of little things that the coaches would say, there's some stuff obviously that I going to get into in a little bit about the A stuff that I wish I had done better, but the good stuff. They were saying Omar, you know how to position yourself very well. You're very good with your feet. You come off your line very well, you know how to read the game and so there's all these little things that they were putting their pinpointing and then as I got older I'm like, okay now I understand exactly where those came from from watching the game film manipulating my positioning understanding where I am on the field where the immediate threats are and how to, you know, fan those Flames out before they even you know transpire before anything really Comes of it and so those are the things that I really want to pinpoint for you guys. And if you're not doing them at a young age, not that not to say that they won't catch up to you but athleticism isn't always going to be with you as we saw with Buffon Casillas Nelson Dida, like all the big-time goalkeepers as they get older their body starts to diminish but their mind also has to be double as strong or they have to be that much more concentrated and have that Foundation of IQ and one goal. Keeper that I admire so much for doing that was one Peter schmeichel and David Seaman those two goalkeepers were two of the best. They're huge six foot four big big guys, but they knew where to be and how to position themselves to make the easy save, but at the same time to allow their hands and feet the money makers to make the saves because they were in great positions. So I tribute a lot of My Success to those two guys and watching them play as I grew up. So by saying all the good stuff guys, you know, I don't want to even I'm off as like, you know, trying to tell you guys that I was perfect or that there were no holes in my game because that's far from the truth. And in the next segment here. I'm going to tell you guys the bad that I wish I would have known at a young age and the things that I really wish had been instilled in me at that young of an age so that as I got older and stepped into different stages of my career. I could have been proactive rather than reactive and proactive meaning already ahead of the game ahead of the curve understanding what needed to be done. His reactive in the coaches saying hey you need to work on this. This is already behind you need to do this this and this better. And again as you get older, it becomes more difficult to develop a foundation because there isn't as much free time and you don't have much time to work and get better and instill a foundation. So starting now at a young age from ages, maybe 11 to 13 or 14 those The crucial crucial years. So this next segment. I'm going to cover all the bad and things. I wish I would have done better. Days passed a pass. All right guys, so as I said in segment one, there was a lot of good things that came from me understanding the game and making the game easier on myself. But when I started to say get to the next level when the game was much faster and my body needed to be in Tip-Top shape week in and week out or every few games in college my body began to fail me and It was mainly because of my nutrition when I was a young kid around 12 13 years old going to those shooting clinics. I would finish up my training and my mom would take me to Baja Fresh and that may not seem like a big deal because there's probably some you no good options there, but I used to get a burrito a big burrito with chips and that was probably every single day like they had a club card at Baja Fresh. I probably would have been one of the gold premiere. Ward's members because I want their so often and I got the exact same thing every single time that it became kind of like my downfall in a way, you know nowadays. There's a huge nutrition craze and health craze out there vegan plant-based going green all that. But for me, I was just very lazy on and off the field that I didn't really apply myself or try to learn anything new about how to recover my body or how to set nutritional goals at a young age that would prove to pay. Dividends in the future and again, I may have sweated a lot in training and worked hard, but that food either set me back or sent me exact exactly to where I was prior to that training and I never had protein shakes. I never did anything to improve my health or my Outlook on food, and it proved to really work against me even in college before every single game. I used to be exhausted and I don't know what it was and I realized as I finished up my career that it was the food that I was eating. I was eating a lot of carbs before the game a lot of carbs the night before and that may be good for a few players who are burning and exerting a lot of energy burning a lot of calories and fat but for a goalkeeper, that's not really the way to go but I just kept eating the same foods that they were eating and it was detrimental. So before every game we'd have a team meeting game would be at 3:30 or 4 have a team meeting around 12. I would probably have a full tuna sandwich from Subway a full tuna sandwich on wheat bread, which I thought was healthy, but it's like Like it's insanely insanely heavy and it put me to sleep. So I would go back to the house. All my teammates would be playing their music or doing whatever they got to do in their rooms to get themselves ready to go and for me, I would be like, hey guys, I need about 30 minutes. Please. Keep it down. I'm going to be passed out in my room. I need to I need to actually get my energy back. So I would go in there put my headphones in and I sleep for about 35 to 45 minutes wake up feel refreshed than we had a pool in the backyard I jump in there. It would be freezing and the winter time or in the fall time Jump in there. It would wake me up. Up, and then I would have this like vibrancy again in my chi be completely awake. Then I go to the games and I play well, but this was like a recipe that was meant to fail because on the road, you can't do that when you're at home. Sometimes there's going to be situations where like families visiting or there are certain responsibilities you have before the game that you can't squeeze all that stuff in so I became very dependent on that system or that habit prior to a game and when I didn't do it you could tell I wasn't I did not play well and that's one thing guys. I would tell you at a young age to really build a foundation with is your nutrition find out what foods are good for you. What foods provide energy what foods can give you and store you energy that you'll need in the game on a hot day or on a night game where you've already kind of, you know, walked around and done yourself throughout the day find something a formula that's going to help you out and don't get Baja Fresh don't get chips and guac. Don't go ahead and get a burrito after every session because you're going to be stagnant you're going to be After every single session, so that's one big thing that I really regret and I think if you guys see me now if you saw Matt back when I was younger I was thin but I still had that baby fat around the stomach area and that leads me to my next point which is weight lifting and core. And again, I have my uncle who was a former professional player in Mexico. And the first thing he told my parents who has he's got good instincts. He knows how to, you know, play the game. He's a natural but he has no core strength. He's very very slow very lethargic. Doesn't really move well and he needs to get better at that. So every single time I saw my uncle hey how the core exercises, you know, we'd be at a family dinner and I'd be eating a lot of food. Like that's not good for your Coral my need you to be better with your core kept drilling it in and in and in and again, like I said, I wasn't very disciplined. I didn't have much awareness and I was just very stubborn. So I never did any core exercises and I was kind of okay with being mediocre or okay with leaning. So heavily on my ability to read the game well, but that all began to Tell to me once I finished up the academy or inner in and around that Academy level where some of the goals that they were scoring. My athleticism wasn't there as you know, how I was when I was younger and it it proved to be pretty costly because I lost my starting position going into my last year with the Galaxy and then the next year when I ended up splitting time where I play one game and then the other goalkeeper play the other game and so on and so forth, but there were a lot of moments where I had the chance to seize myself are create the opportunity for Myself to be the number one and at the Galaxy Academy and I did when I was younger, but as I got older those habits began to really catch up to me and I wasn't somebody who understood how to do core exercises or go to the gym and weight lift and even in college. I got to college and I never did any core exercises never did any weightlifting because I was just happy with showing up and just playing because I understood the game and IQ again guys can only take you so far you have to have the physical qualities and you have to be able to have injury Invention from that weight lifting. I remember there was one time where I lifted before a game and it was the day before a gate or not the day of a game the day before a game and I did arms biceps chest all that stuff and I really lifted hard. I felt good and then the next day my arms were like like jello. I couldn't even move them. They were so slow to react and we lost 3-2 to against Sac State and I remember swearing off weightlifting forever. I said, you know what this is never going to happen again. I can't do this to myself, but it was because I was so reactive not proactive about the situation that I found myself in a situation that was detrimental to me detrimental to my performance and just detrimental to like my psyche and you know way of thinking about weightlifting. So again guys develop your core strength eat, right those two can go hand in hand because when you eat right you feel good when you feel good, you play good and when you have kind of an investment into your body and an investment into your core strength and weight lifting you're going to put Self in a position to be way more cognizant and way more conscious of what you eat and how you eat before games. So those two things both for sure. And the last thing guys I'm going to say is the psychology of the game. I can't tell you how important this is the psychology of the game. Meaning how you approach the game what you think in those moments where things aren't going your way when you've made a mistake in training when you've conceded a goal in college and they're breathing down your neck two minutes later and you have to be able to have that mental wherewithal. All and understanding that you cannot allow this first goal to lead into a second goal. Once you're able to kind of manage your emotions and be in control of who you are out there man. The sky is the limit anybody can tell you they're way more afraid of somebody who's confident than somebody that's passive. If you're in any profession as a boss or a CEO whatever it is, most people are going to be more reactive to you raising your voice and being confident in what you're saying then being passive and not saying what you need to do because the jobs won't get done and as go Papers we are technically the bosses and CEOs of our team. If you really think about it where the quarterbacks we see everything we can call anything out to our Centre backs are Defenders and let them know. Hey, this is what's going to happen in a few seconds. I need you to trust me and you need to understand what I'm telling you is important for this going out to happen. So those little things and again the psyche of the game can be confidence with your teammates or it can be the negative thoughts that you may have in certain moments crosses as Dan Abraham's would say say automatic negative thoughts ants where the ball stops dead on a goal on a free-kick corner. Kick, whatever it is and right away you start thinking about all the negative things that could possibly go wrong and being, you know open and vulnerable to speaking with a sports psychologist is huge when I was about 20 or 19 years old. I went to our sport psychiatrist or a sports psychologist at Caltech Davis and I sat down with her for about 3-4 days and we just like ironed out a lot of stuff that was going through my head, especially the pressure. Of being the starter at Davis and she started giving me all these little things that I could do and tips and tricks and I started getting out there was just so much more calmness and he's in my game and just not really worried about the score line anymore worry more about my performance and how I can control what I can control. So that was huge and crucial when you have a formula in a way to kind of approach every game with the same mentality with out whether you're winning games or you're losing it to without wavering. Everything is consistent. And you don't ever have to worry about okay what happens if I you know, consider goal here, it's more of like, okay, even if I do consider go I'm going to be ready to go. So it's just that vulnerability and leaving yourself open for criticism and to find ways that you can be hard on yourself. But at the same time be constructive. So again guys, it's the nutrition aspect the weightlifting and the psychology of the game. Those are the three things that I wish. I wish I would have done a lot better on because at the next level anybody you're teaming up against or you're playing Or competing for that number one spot a lot of them have gone through all those things and you'll start to notice the ones who kind of weave their path in towards the number one position. They can check a lot of those boxes off its being able to have longevity and that also comes from a tactical awareness and the same time to injury prevention with your core strengthening your weight lifting those things that I covered in this piece. All right guys, thank you guys for tuning in to the first ever Pro GK podcast episode one answering Logan Leatherman question about little things that I learned on my way to getting to the development Academy with LA Galaxy on my goal is to be doing two episodes a week Mondays and Thursdays work you a would happen on a Thursday and Monday would be CPL review and any big points or big mistakes or big saves and games over the weekend? I'd cover those in the podcast again. I appreciate everybody who's been tuning in. So all the pro GK content. I've been kind of on a Hiatus just kind of planning out these different episodes and putting things together where I can be consistent with my postings and be consistent with the content on podcast for you guys. This podcast will be available on every platform Spotify Apple music or a podcast Google Play everywhere. So you guys can Find it under Pro GK podcast and I'd appreciate if you guys tell your friends any other goalkeepers. You guys may know that would be interested in this kind of content. I would really appreciate it again guys. My name is Omar. Zini. I will see you guys for episode 2. Have a good one.

In todays episode,  I answer a question from IG follower, Logan Leatherman. Logan asks, “Hey Omar, I heard you mention that you were a part of the LA Galaxy academy growing up. What did it take you to get there and what kind of work should I be putting in to make it into a development academy? To answer Logans question, I want to dive a bit deeper into my youth career and time prior to the Galaxy academy. I feel that that would be a good starting point where I could go into depth on some of the skills and habits I learned at a young age that would prove to be the difference for me. Later in the episode, I’ll be breaking down the habits I wish I had had the discipline to master. There are a few core things, that when I reflect on my career, I wish I had developed at a young age. Those core principles, or lack of them, would have massively impacted my game as I progressed into the next stage of my career. And lastly, I’ll give my final thoughts on what I believe to be the most important habits for young goalkeepers at different ages! If you don't already follow Pro Gk on social media, you can find us on IG, FB, YouTube, Twitter & Tik Tok: @progkacademy!

Hello and welcome. Thanks for listening to the embodied astrology horoscopes for Scorpio season in 2019. My name is Renee. I'm a Consulting astrologer and somatic intuitive. These horoscopes are meant to Aid you in your healing and help connect you with your highest self as you listen, please listen with an open mind and appreciate the symbols and suggestions take what works for you. Leave the rest remember that these? Horoscopes are describing General energy for each sign and it's up to you to get specific. Feel free to associate what I say to what is relevant for you at their best horoscopes work as pieces of mystical advice and sacred symbolism. Let them spark your imagination and stimulate your intuition. I suggest that you listen to the horoscopes for your son and your rising signs. Your sun sign is what you tell people when they ask you what's your sign it has to do with the time of year. You were born your rising sign has to do with the time of day. You were born in the place. 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You can follow your favorite podcasts like embodied astrology and never miss an episode. You can download all the episodes and listen offline, wherever you are. You can easily share what you're listening to with all your friends on social media if you haven't done so already be sure to download the Spotify app. For embodied astrology save it and browse podcasts in the your library tab. Also, make sure to follow me on social media on Instagram add embodied astrology. So you'll never miss an episode because you want to catch them all don't you? Hello Pisces and Pisces Rising. This horoscope is for you. This is a horoscope for Scorpio season in 2019. And this season extends between October 23rd and November 22nd. This is the period of time when the sun is shining light the we call Scorpio and wherever the sun is. It's highlighting the themes of that zodiacal quality and wherever that sign lives in your solar chart. So as I mentioned in the introduction, please take the time to listen. Into the embodied astrology extended episode for Scorpio season and that episode I give you a lot of suggestions and Pathways into exploring Scorpio through your body through your physiology and felt sense as well as through your intuition and your relationships in Your Mind Body Connection, and of course your feelings and your emotions, which are really big theme for Scorpio in the Pisces solar. Art Scorpio rules What's called the ninth house? The ninth house has to do with the meaning you make for your life the themes of this place in your chart have to do with your really big questions. What is your life about? What is the higher? Meaning? What do you believe in your beliefs change throughout your life, of course your opinions shift. This is a time for you where it seems like what it is that you believe in and what is relevant to you to be shaping your life around is a Big and deep and important question some notable points this month that may give you access into these big questions or this process that you're in will begin on October 27th, when we have a new moon in Scorpio. So new moon is always kind of supercharged time since both the Sun and the Moon and these are primary luminaries and medical astrology which relate to the right and the left eyes are Both in the same sign so it's kind of like we're really concentrated in whatever that quality is. The new moon is a time that is often a period of time when we want to initiate a new beginning or set intentions for the next 12 month cycle from New Moon in Scorpio to new moon in Scorpio. What are your hopes? And what do you trying to manifest what you calling in to this? If your life that really has to do with the expanding possibility of your life and again with the meaning that you're making out of your life with a big questions that you're asking. What is your life about some other associations for the 9th house that I just want to mention really quickly have to do with learning particularly. This is the kind of learning that you seek out. So this might have to do with a higher kind of academic Pursuit this may have Something that's not quite so formal, but that still is something that you are actively moving towards in seeking to expand your own perspective and perception religious spiritual and philosophic kinds of ideas can come in here. You might want to be learning a new skill or a new methodology of some kind the night toss is also related to far distance travel long distance travel going places being around people speaking. Which is that are really different than what we're used to and in that way expanding your scope and expanding your perception finally for some of you. It will be relevant that the ninth house is associated to publishing broadcasting and also two kinds of the ideas of a larger dissemination of information as well as to Justice and judges. So some key themes for the ninth house if any of those Sparks something for you. You than listen to what I'm about to say with that in mind. So again, there's a new moon on October 27th. This is a great time to set intentions for the next 12 months cycle to think really deeply about what your larger intentions are what your motivations are. And what is relevant for you at this time to be shaping your life around your beliefs and your kind of Ethics or ideals for the world are really important themes here. What do you want to grow towards? New moon is bringing a lot of change into our awareness for you particularly in your mind. And in your perception, you may notice that the meanings that you're making our rapidly changing right now and your belief systems or what you prioritized in the past are not that similar to what you're prioritizing or moving towards now or perhaps they are quite similar, but new opportunities to explore them in different ways are arising on October 31st, Mercury will station retrograde and it will be read through November 20th when Mercury stations retrograde the days before and after as well as the day of its station tend to be some of the more intense and acute days that we will feel the effects of the retrograde so from October 28th until November second or so. Please give yourself lots of extra time. Please be particularly careful with your actions. And with your Communications Mercury is a planetary representative of our mental and cognitive selves the ways that we think the ways that we communicate the ways that we narrate it specifically Associated to Communications of all kinds that includes written electronic and verbal and it's also Associated to exchanges and so during Mercury retrograde were advised to bring extra caution into any kinds of important agreements that were making or contracts that were signing and I always like to ask people to kind of just build in leniency to their plans. If you're making plans, you know, give yourself a window of 10 to 15 minutes to be late expect other people to be late expect your plans to be canceled etcetera and just don't get fussed about it. Mercury retrograde is a time to let the circuitous weird and sometimes backwards seeming events actually lead you to a discovery or kind of let you It somewhere that you might not have arrived at otherwise if everything was going as planned now, I'm Mercury retrograde cycle is a wonderful time to apply the Artie prefix to your words and to think about these as major themes and priorities for the cycle. We want to remain with themes for a while. We want to research them. We want to reflect on them. We may need to renegotiate or redefine or refine certain aspects of our projects or ideas. This is a really good. Time for research so during Mercury retrograde things go slower. Our minds naturally become more reflective and inward oriented. So use this time. It's actually a great opportunity period to again to research to refine to reflect because Scorpio is such an emotional sign and has to do with the kinds of feelings that are very deep within us and where we are entangled or Mesh with others. This also may be a time when you are really renegotiating some of your important relationships and this will have a lot to do again with the meaning that you're making or your priorities or beliefs about what it is that you want to be crafting your life around on November 1st of Venus will enter the sign Sagittarius Sagittarius is an important sign for you because it rules the solar 10th House of career ambition and Public Image. This is the place where you build your ins and your Ambitions where you come into the world and leave a legacy of some kind Venus is a benefic planet it brings Joy. It brings opportunity it brings Grace Beauty love and connection Venus in this part of your chart is a wonderful energy to bring into your work to bring into any kind of public appearance or presentation that you have and to apply to your aspirations and to your Ambitions on November 11th, the Sun and the Moon and Mercury will come together for their inferior conjunction. this is an important moment in Mercury's retrograde cycle symbolic of a time when we have a memory or a reflection surface where we remark on something that is going to be important and potentially pivotal within the theme of the retrograde definitely keep a notebook with you on that day and maybe the day or two before and after just to remark on any important ideas that are coming up any themes that seem to be really present or kind of, you know important to focus on at that time. You may want to come back to those ideas later on November 12th. There will be a full moon in the opposite sign to Scorpio, which is Taurus. This full moon is bringing some really interesting change energy with it. It's allowing us to have some new perspective on ongoing changes which for you are particularly relating to your changing sense of self your identity ways that May want to be letting go of old ways of being and also how you want to be participating in the world in a different way. There's a transition that you're in right now that seems like, you know, it's going to be important to let go of certain ideas so that you can bring these new elements or these new qualities in this full moon is going to give you a lot of kind of energy and impetus to reflect on these ideas. This may be a time when you notice that your ideas are really kind of overflowing in your mind. If you have trouble sleeping at this time, then I recommend taking advantage of it as a time when you can actually journal or be creative or expressive in some way again, not letting yourself get too frustrated, but there is quite a lot of mental energy and potentially quite a lot of inspiration coming through at this full moon full moons and especially in a full moon that is working with Scorpios energy can be more emotional than other times of the And so again give yourself space and place and time to express these emotions in a way that feels healthy and productive for you on November 18th. The planet Mars will enter Scorpio and it will Transit through Scorpio until January 3rd, wherever Mars is it's bringing extra energy as well as kind of heating or potentially inflammatory influence Mars in your solar ninth house might really light a fire under you to get out and travel you might be really excited about the new ideas or opportunities that are bubbling up in your imagination or your awareness or in their possibilities as they're being presented to you. This is a really good time to act on those ideas to get excited about them to be inspired to travel if it's possible if you have that opportunity and he's remember that Mars can also bring conflict to can bring agitation and Especially for those of you who are involved in some kind of teaching and learning environments. And again, this is a kind of teaching and learning environment where either you have authority in that environment and or you are choosing to be in that environment. So if you are a teacher or if you are pursuing some kind of ongoing education or higher education, there may be conflicts that come up or energy that comes up between you and other authority figures or Or potentially between you and your students. I want to let you know that this is a time again to be reflective on whatever it is. That is surfacing try not to confuse the individuals Within These scenarios or these conflicts with the energy that's coming through in your interactions this be especially because Mars is Transit through Scorpio begins during Mercury retrograde. There's an especially high possibility that For is being presented to you is a really important learning moment. So it's not a time to reduce whatever it is that you're feeling to a kind of judgment or projection on another person but really take it in. What is it that you have to learn through this particular scenario and the feelings that arise around it on November 20th. Mercury will turn direct and again the days around Mercury station tend to be really strange and weird and unpredictable days. So from the 18th through the And just give yourself that extra time and space be a little bit more careful Mercury as it turns direct will then pick up speed and recover the ground that it had to retrace during the retrograde and that period of time is called Mercury's shadow that period ends on on December 7th. And so if you are considering important contracts or purchases or big changes, I would advise waiting until the first week of December second week of December to make those decisions. On November 22nd Sagittarius season will begin and I'll be back with you then for your month ahead and Sagittarius season. If you'd like more information on this upcoming months astrology, please become a subscriber you can subscribe by donation and in trade for your subscription donation, you'll get extended monthly forecasts in both audio recording form and as a downloadable PDF calendar and this will give you an opportunity to stay up-to-date with all of the major planetary. It's not just the ones I mentioned here, but pretty much every day what's going on in the planets and with the lunar cycles and to work with embodied astrology in your life. I'm wishing you all the best in Scorpio season and Beyond. Thanks for listening. Bye for now.

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I'll be looking at Old footage even when we first met like, you know, you will me and change this to come out here was just it was just like I just look at my face like this puffed up this and that but you know, like when you grind and you're not really caring about, you know, all that Vibe is like Cheyenne to that paper. Yes you out there hustling hustling I'm saying now you like the more you grow the more you like, you know what my body said notice and they start talking back to you write you back. Amazing one like on you still going strong. It's crazy to see like like the levels from where you came from to what you're doing. But what wanted to do today and who would be podcast is like give people an insight into how you came up right now. You got to where you got to because it's - it's an inspiring story. Yeah, man. I mean, you know born in North Africa came here when I was 13 to the US. Yes for the state. Yeah the bunks and as like I can I could tell it was God playing because they brought me like right like a next door from Slick Rick like Karis one down Street Davis. Yeah, right in the South Bronx where wrap started, you know and me just got going there and just I mean, obviously I you know, I speak English coming straight from Africa. My father just happened to get some visas for whatever because he was locked up when I was born. So I already knew he was like into some more on the kind of robbed. So the game Um visas to get us out of the country. So we left the country. He just couldn't take the lifestyle. I was going on he went back because he was living like a king there but and when he came to New York is like, you know. Rhyming is like not even about being grimy. Just like you got to have a hustle in his house was based out there and he went back. So when he left my mother didn't know English, my little brother's didn't know English and I barely knew English so I became you know, once the father leave guess who becomes the Father the oldest son. So I became a father before I was even 20 years old. I mean New York City is the coldest see like is unforgiving is you know, there's no love whatsoever like How do you how do you survive in New York City around that time when you could just about speak English that algae get by. Honestly at first it was just just you know, had I had to get with it or get lost people don't wait for you Tom. Don't wait for you the house were going to wait for you nothing with you and I'm saying are you going to get with it? You know I'm saying I guess on my father's side he can't get away with it. So he just left he left me in the middle of the tornado. No, but honestly, I want to give all the respect of my mother because he was like, I'm about to leave and I'm not leaving I'm staying here with my kids. They never gonna have our To like this in Africa and she's right is if you look at Africa, I'm the biggest artists in Africa right now at Africa not a country a continent. Hmm. You know I'm saying that's why every chance I get I go back there and shine light on it because I know there's better better Talent than me. I know there's do you know I'm saying there's all kind of talent that He overshadowed so every chance I get I go back and help I go back and try to shine the light on the on the play that try to keep it dark, you know people always Is steal everything from Africa but never get back to Africa. What was the craziest thing that happened to you? Like this is before French Montana. What was the correct like me like we're getting shot in the back of my head and surviving and I could be more crazy than that bleeding to the hospital and the same God took you to the hospital was the one that set you up to get shot or like you want to get like you want to get into more details. Yeah, like yeah, not seriously though. I'm not saying the reason why is because people hit a hits They turn up and you know, they know human forgettable and that's why I'm saying there's another side as you getting shot. And yeah in the person that set you up drove you to the hospital. Why don't you just send the passenger seat bleed the new just thinking this is the goddess helping you and he's got to set you up. That's how New York was that's like something out Sopranos all the wire. Did you think he was gonna die real stories real stories of my life then from Max be going to court with Max being Yes. Seeing him get 75 years in front of me and in just as soon as the judge at the ham, I turn around again his mother and just like how can you even like things like that or losing the chinks? You only your best friends and you don't even know who to hit was for everything was in the dark until we find out. This is the real situation. This all we got stories, you know real life stories. And also when it comes to the music is just it's just that's why that's why we able to live through all these years and and get respect from from the realest and I'm not just a mother stopped by rappers actors. And now it's about from Pee Wee Kirkland said to the no.2 the real deal, you know, because we live by the code is only thing that we know we didn't have no no choice we had to live by Rules we had to survive by the rules. We had I couldn't wear no funny kind of here. I couldn't dress no kind of way I can't do no kind of way like I had to go and just be me and live with it and I'm saying to make the best music and I hope hope I got enough faith and patience and to be able to wait to be able to survive through this. We don't know what's gonna happen tomorrow. It was Jungle rules for up. Shoot suck. Yeah, when did hip-hop come into your life my whole life? Well when I was in Africa only Once was I just didn't understand that's why my hooks are so crazy. Right because every time I do hooks, I'll never do it from trying to make, you know, make him make sense. And I kind of vibe which out I got the best of both worlds to get them melodic and to get the words but back in Africa. I never when I used to like music when it before like Wu-Tang, for example, I should be young aren't running around singing Gangsta Paradise, you know. I'm gonna all I'm hearing is that Lana then you go to La Bouche like lalala out here. So like when I do hooks, I don't even know what they were saying not as poor all that and just like a melodic and put the words with it. And that's why Unforgettable such a global health. So we sold 25 million around the world because I put myself in the sand and that same shoe that kid as an African like is an Australian I kid isn't Barcelona Somalia wherever they are because all the inherent ism is is Melanie. Hmm. What made you pick up the microphone and start vaping inspired you to do that. Um, I mean besides music being my you know, like my favorite thing to do as far as listening like my therapy like, you know, everything besides that I played basketball. I went to school after my father left a shot to go to college. And while shot to go to college there was like you can go to college even though I got recruited by all kind of D1 D2 D3 now try to go there like you can't go cause you don't have your papers. So now I can't go to college. I can't get a job because I don't have no social security. I'm an immigrant. Like I live The Immigrant like for real what every door was blocked. So now I can what can I do what I mean? I start selling drugs that I caught. Then I was just like I'm already don't keep going down this route and I believe my mother that sacrifice all that and my two little brothers and you know, I'm saying do all this I say, you know what I think that God had a plan for me and I believe in that all the signs lets me doing this mine and he also got only show you signs and you got to read between his eyes. If you don't then, you know, you're going to get all discombobulated and between your hustle your dreams your faith everything. So he pushed me to that corner like this what you need to be doing and I'm saying then I started doing music and I followed his vision for me. It just blew up. He's growing up in the bunk South Bronx. Karis ones down to vote left blastmaster care as one legendary MC. One of the best freestylers of all time. Also, next door to Slick. Rick could say is the first ever UK rapper to pop off like animal who's about to get deported. He got caught he got caught with a gun charge and and he fought through that and you know understand that's why no status was so like so special for me because I felt like, you know, we was all immigrants out there and he paved the way that's why would like, you know, even like when Trump thing this is not be like we create a culture like as far as hip-hop and I'm sure other immigrants created all kinds of platforms to Showcase all kind of whether it's business or there's this one that is that you know, so which is the Viper that you heard like, which is the hot the rapper that made you put pen to paper, you know Rhymes that was it was just me who is me, but it's not one that and say why aren't you in there was a cocktail of just like all kind of all kind of like because everybody give you something different like I used to listen Illmatic. It was rant I get a different vibe. It was rain was my one my favorite items and not ever did before that telematic. I like it was ran by like even though I like, you know certain a lot like like I really love certain tracks on automatic like represent like, you know, like everything. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah couple it was ran. He was just more growth and more from the Lauren Hill to You know to the I'm the guns and the message when he was about to pop to the it was more records to you have more, you know saying, you know, Illmatic was 10 right solder joints, then when you got all eyes on me double disc, then you got life after death. Double disc is crazy. Then you got you know, I'm saying it was just like right that that moment of hip-hop 36 Chambers. Yeah, you know, they don't just like it was just so much. So much thing that you get from different artists at the time, but I know so I felt like back then it wasn't like one specific thing. Everybody was just on the top of their game and that's what motivated me I get it the mid 90s hip-hop. That's that's an eclair Jenny. I feel sorry for anybody in this town and you never know. What you missed out. Exactly. It's definitely how did you connect with Happy Food first connected with Harry Fraud, but 10 10 to 15 years ago and I remember we did playing when we did a New York minute was my first record Shot the Jadakiss I was I remember I was playing on boycott was like in the middle of the projects. I was just like doing cocaine City DVDs not playing him New York minute. Harry Fraud did it. He was like yo your Jadakiss on Jadakiss did his verse? Didn't makes had disappeared for a minute there like it was getting makes on it to make sure I'm going out and ever since then me and Harry for husband like Scotty and John like just like well, I know if each other you know, and it was just like so special to see that we still doing the same thing and still, you know, every year again bigger fuss, you know, like he's still, you know, being the best producer can be and I'm getting better better and better every year. I like always been one of them people that I Make a hundred million dollars and ten years then to make it a one year but as long as I make one dollar more next year than I made this year. I feel like it's growing. I feel like you know, I'm prospering so you can kind of rush it now. It's I love that Marathon life. My specialty is like it was like, you know, four best friends Max me doing 70 75 years Chase died and rest in peace my brother and and Penthouse speeds of 130 is about to come home any day. You know I'm saying so So I never really liked follow other people did but I was stood by them. You know, I'm saying so always follow this like this like slowly but surely thing. You know me sometimes too much money could be the worst thing that could ever happen to you sometime too much Fame to be the worst thing that ever happened to you. You know, I feel like yeah, you just gotta like, you know, follow your own your own path and and I chop preach that to a lot of people because my life stop it just stop Yeah, that's impacting. Sometimes people try to go so fast. They don't actually appreciate what's going on. Yeah, you know, there's also much because that is almost like drugs and I'm saying like once you start taking like you don't want to stop you want to keep that same feeling you get you want that every minute. You know like you don't practice giving it a break then coming back to it, you know, a lot of people don't like, you know, it takes music I'll be telling people is 20% of everything that's going on with the business in the music and everything. Like you gotta be why you think I don't see the same rappers and like every like it's so hard to stay in the game. Hmm all kind of obstacles and it's because with the tissue is make great music and guess what? What happened to anybody? This is making great music not me. That's why the only 2 Jay-Z Nas the the even Fab shot the fat lot of people don't pay respect to him. Like, you know saying he's somebody always float like this, you know, you gotta learn and just you know, just pick your lane just saying it when you and happy for like talking a few years, but I'm looking at it from the perspective of being on the radio and playing your joints like How he he kind of always kind of got those throwback hip-hop moments back to the mid nineties and stuff. What was the one giant would you say that really popped up for you? Then when you're like yo, this is real like this is all malevolent. I remember we had the chopper down right and that was around the time when I wouldn't when I did New York minute, but then I was like, all right. I got to New York. Now, how do I get the rest of the country? Right? And sometimes you gotta give them what they know until they know you. So I went down south and that's where the chopper chopper down with me and Gucci and Wiz Khalifa and isn't that Pittsburgh? This is now as I went on my own tour that I ain't even know how I made it through that. It was like, you know, just like you just like thinking you could do a tour like you're not allowed Nation on the like not nothing. It's nothing so you just basically like throwing the Hail Marys up and I'm sorry, but that's how much faith in this how much you know ambition. I Then I'm about came back and me and flex was talking and I was like, I'm gonna do a freestyle for you. So I did the shot caller. That was the first old school beat that mean fraud went back and grab and me and fraud. You know me a frog work. That's why I love it because we always have like a sample battle who got the ls samples in this and that so we always been like that, but you know, she always think he got he got like better samples I wasn't got but so we just picked the best one he make the beat so shot caller was literally a freestyle. Of a funk Flex one verse but I'll drop the tape Casino life. I remember going to a strip club with the Heavy Hitters with easy enough in them camello shots at them and they just press play and just looked at me and said, you know just like nobody was never taken old-school samples, right and really like bringing them back and bringing a new field to it because it got thinking about everybody loved hip-hop The Hip Hop in And nobody take that take that risk. Yeah. So that was the one that really took me from here to there then right after that then it was become the big bazooka pop that man, you know, but shot caller was just me by myself just happy, you know show people like this what it is because I heard you you was making so much money and getting so much heat of mixtapes like the labels clone the standard you was really ahead of your time in terms of yeah. This shows you is getting and you know, yeah even over here that the man few I hear is like is Easy, you know definitely about I mean, um, I'm blessed. I'm blessed to do the cocaine City DVDs. I just 16 of them. I'm so blessed to be able to be somebody to watch every one of them an executive produce it and to see if we have 20 artists on this DVD by time. Will you do next one 17 of them going to have a career in Omaha? so I was able to study the game but I don't want to go into class and being able to realize that visuals is more important than making music because you can make a thousand songs and somebody could walk right by you in the streets some like a see you on one seen on TV and like they never get you every time I see so it's just like experience and information always going to take you to a higher, you know, operational platform you mad connected like you you got You up - smells. Like if you just look through the some of the features and even now what you're saying about your hooks with Gucci with I was like this is this is like Nationwide. It's not just one state one city or anything. So how did pop that come about because that's again just a monster. That's that's you I straight Gloss Lil Wayne on the same track pop that rest in peace checks out and I was saying this earlier somebody I was like the way we used to work was it? Me and asked to be the whole Coke Boys every time we're in the studio. It was just like whoever got the project coming out. Will you all give them the records whenever I got project coming out Max give me rock his chains. Give me right to the old play be see each other like we work like a family, you know, so change this happen to have that pop that beat shot the leader producer and he just played it for me. I was like, yo, I'm taking this. I need this now look. All right. Well, I'm willing to go see Ross. Ross did a verse to me about some of the Drake heated he did his verse of London sent it back. I'm Berlin Wayne sent his verses day before he was about to drop it and he just sent there and he was like, you could not drop this without. Wow, like this is my error is Uncle Luke. This is the snapshot the Uncle Lou to you know, 2 Live Crew for even creating a good film music. Mmm. It's a monster in the clip as well. Just pounds like you're selling so yeah more than those times bigger than the neck. We're clear. All I do is crazy. So some pop that you know, what will happen next. What was the next stage? Um pop that I dropped anywhere by now. Yeah that I drop the freaks record with Nicki Minaj then I mean, it's just every year from be kept on getting bigger and bigger. What is this? You got like a Super Saiyan on the background was it just you select on the job honesty is me. I'm the best energy. I'm saying you have because I love music. I grew up with music. I'm around music. I'm around you knows that I'm in the club's I'm like, I just know I'm sorry. There's no like some things you just gotta feel I followed a rush as I told you. Like. I'm the best blessing ever had was for me to be somebody on the outside and inside to know that that balance right? You know, I'm saying and for unforgettable 10 years later to be my biggest rocket. I mean you could put probably 90% Songs they still not bigger than forgettable. How did how did you get Unforgettable my I've heard different stories but like yeah, this isn't a studio. Me and Jeremiah was working and he just play me the song but he's got the kept on playing the other rankings. I said not go back to that one, but the song wasn't like that. It was a the beginning was like that. But as soon as like I'm 30 seconds passed by turning to Slow Jam rocket I said I crazy that's same a seconds 30 Sighs Loop it no, I had the structure to hold them sound structure. And so I'm shot the Swahili, you know, he's just you know, he's a young rock star and he just carried that beat sometimes I always tell people there's moments special moments that are as can catch in the studio that when the beat voice energy. You know sad everything just meat is just like hitting a lotto ticket. And when that when that meat and somebody listen to it it just ding ding ding ding just like that's it and I'm satisfied those moments of really special, you know, and and just like when Tupac caught it on California Love and big you don't hypnotized and you know and and and 50 on in the club puffing Benjamin just like certain Almost just going to catch them. You know the kind of magic. You know like Gregory Hines the stepping on stepping all over the beat and you don't feel it because you know the music and going out if you get that certain Rush, that's why people listen to me is going to work out. I saw some people listen to music when it crying music is is the only language that people everybody speak worldwide. Do you ever have that fear that you can't match the previous record because the my hat honestly I had that fit, you know, no Stiles just went go. Wow, you know I'm saying is like it when girls before Everyone go. Wow. So that was my worst fear was to master something. I was close to that and you know proms of like, you know, just hit right back. How did no styling come about No Styles came about me being like the bridge between old school and new school and a lot of old-school artists. Don't feel appreciated for what they molded the culture to be as far as Slick Rick being the first one for 30 chains on as far as KRS be the first one to build certain things the MC Shams that cold Crush Brothers the you know, there's a long list then you have all these young cats say fuck the old school because they really Don't know what happened also because now became something as so marginalized to be for anybody that can do what I'm saying and young calves don't know what they doing. Okay, so don't feel appreciate it. So I was trying to bring that slick works the camera on this and on this side then bring the other cast the Rockies this that when this side sort of when I when they watch that video they could be like, oh, oh, oh and I was that so I was trying you know help as far as the culture but then I also did it because everybody don't have a stylist, but they dress better than rappers. You don't feel like he and he might have stars when I was I was when I was styled. I know he definitely got to stop he's clicks a doctor and I was like, you're like, you know people think like you got to have a stylist and all this like got a gorgeous fashion weeks and still all these weirdos and I hate I hate that to the max. There was always about them Dope Boyz II slang or somebody that worked hard and go and spend their last money on this on the out. That they love when you step out you feel limbs at and that's what I know Styles is about like the people are just like really spending Less on I remember spending my last buying a fitted or sweat or whatever like I'm saying people. I don't need a stylist. So, how'd you get Drake on the track like that? I actually flew me out to work with him on Scorpion. Right so we did Elevate. All right, and um, I was like y'all got a bunch of joints because I was starting to get like like a little you know skeletons and shit for my album. So I stopped playing him everything and my little brother played him. No Stiles. He was like y'all was my favorite like a friend's got right now and Drake heard it went crazy. I gotta get on that well, but you know me and him just like, you know, like one of my best friends and we just like, you know, making music is just something that just come along, you know, like this what we do like when we having fun and I would like a record that when I play I'm like when I perform that I would die be like they love that more don't forget about I'm like, wow the energy just came across So using that be typing and it got bigger response to an unforgettable. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, I'll perform the post Malone over there. I will die with you went crazy when I performed it with dragon Atlanta went crazy. We just like, you know, I go off I don't go off like all this internet and this and who is behind a desk as drinking green juice and fucking wearing open-toed sandals tongues. You know, I like it. I'm go off when you go play it in real places and them cars you hit going by going back to the hood and people hitting you in the right people here and you buy music. That's what counts to me good. You know, I'm saying so not perform that I was like torpedo you ever get moments where you think about where you came from to where you're at now, you know and stage and I would that be on stage in London and who would be alive and you see the crowd like reciting. It's not even singing a long time these site and your lyrics well forward. Man, I appreciate the process and sometimes think about it. It's just you know, I feel like you know, I went through a lot of growth not to have the people that used to motivate me to make music or the people that used to be with me in the studio and this and that and me still having, you know, having a get that out of my mind and make new music and and then keep the wave alive and and make sure everything is straight and And take that away just like a have a hundred percent on the music. It's kind of like crazy. Because you know a lot of these rappers like I'm sure like they great artist but when it comes to the to the lifestyle and reliving behind this the cold and living doing this now for like, you know, nobody can top or so we've been a one since they negative 1 I was doing my show a couple of months ago. And then yeah, I got a news in it about Mac Miller and I was like, he's d right at that muscle cut you up when you found out. Yeah, of course, of course, I'm here because I remember just you know, I shall I put the video up on me and him when I was telling him. I say, oh you're going too fast. Let's go back to that when you get that feeling from that high. You don't want that feeling stop and a lot of people don't know how to do that, you know, and and honestly, it was a beautiful person and rest in peace came forward to is just one God. We know when God called for you as your time is your time. Be anything, you know. We've lost a lot of rappers recently and you've experienced a lot yourself personally, but even in the space of like a couple of years like the new guys coming to be a peep extent a.cian and you know six nine is not passed away, but he might not be around for a minute. It's is it's crazy right? It's like that's why I said I said people think is always about the music. It's not I've been dealing with Hip Hop Police throughout most of my career. They try to trap me up like that 2 million and one times well of course million one time but I was saying that I like the other day like and I didn't really like explaining the right. It was like he remind me of Max B. I'm not saying music, you know, I'm not saying six miles out talented by know like on a Max be level. It's dangerous. I'm gonna come to town and I'm saying Max. He's like a legend before its time. You know, but I feel like that from the BBS bells to the perm to everything. I feel like you know, he reminded me of Max B, sometimes when I watch him just going at people, you know, I'm saying because like they funny watch Max beat his head out the way he'd be laughing and just rolling like body. I felt like nobody could have did it better than Max speaking. Somebody's finally trolling people like him. I'm not talking about music. Hmm you Was there like I'm not like, you know, cuz I people like how you can you compare them to Max be he's a legend and I'm not going to play the music I'm talking about as far as the approach you taking but no one the consequences that come with it. You know, I'm saying because when you when you make yourself that hot as far as far as bringing all that bad energy to you bad energy going to follow and that's when the fans come that's when the police come that's when I'm courthouses maximum used to go to the courthouse come out. And performed a song called Dead solvent front of the courthouse. Wow, and he's fighting a murder charge. Well that goes to show you you know saying how crazy Max was hmm, you know and it's unfortunate to see somebody like that talented like both of them go down that route, you know, because it's like you and you get to enjoy the money enjoy the fame. Enjoy your life. Enjoy what it is, you know, and this is a situation by pray for both of them. You know cuz even once Akash is six-nine like once I saw the feds pick him up and shot. Everybody knows that that's going through the same situations when I would like the feds don't come until they got the whole case, right? It's just, you know, we're in the UK and from people like around the world. So if it was like the police thing that would be different but the feds is like a Next Level, so I'm wrong when the feds come get you they're not just like coming to get you like They don't come get you in to take out the whole the whole case where you going to be at like you got the whole file. They got evidence. They got like I don't know nobody like that really beat them from the start. You always got to go in there and just Just beat them like towards the end. Like I know a couple people that beat the fast but you don't happen that fast, but well lets you know, what your John Cochran up. Wow, you know like is the feds ain't no joke. You know just to see somebody, you know, just see somebody go through that is like a sad situation. Let's time we connected we talked about what was going on in America, you know things was going on and everything else and I think I think we've yourself with Unforgettable blowing up and I seen you get involved with look the whole Global citizen initiative. How's it feel to see like some of the stuff that's going to set about this Caravan of people, you know, he's like as it made its like it's a army of people coming from trying to invade the Mexican border and everything else and That you you know, you came from another clone see how they feel to see that kind of talk going on. Yeah, my um, as far as things like that affect me more because I got real family members affected about the Trump law and I'm not just down with like the the whole the whole blast in the guy and going through all this like, I have like real family that's like affected by the laws of the immigration law. I told you if he would if he was in during the time when I was here as an immigrant. I might have got the point, you know, so it's like they closing in all the people that put the United States only back and help built. It not feel like if you were leading usually by love as first thing, you know, and only and you don't take away programs like DACA program that kids that went to school they whole life and trying to go to college to do. Them better to help the country. You take away their education. Now you got thousands thousands of kids that can't even go to college and they can do nothing then they break. No rules. No crime. No nothing and you just taking my school. Why because they're from another country. Nobody. Nobody nodded States from the United States like except for the Indians. And there's just like the Congress and the way they just mold and everything to be like it supposed to be the land of dreams. I'm a walking I'm walking sample of that. You know, it's just like coming from somewhere. We're just Faith and Hope and hard work and hustle and just not knowing if I could let me if I want to be the present I could have been present whatever it is, but that's what that land is known for. Equal opportunities for everybody. It don't matter where you come from and the moment you take that away from that lines become like everywhere else. you know I'm saying so as far as as far as that go like with the whole the whole United States, I don't like getting into politics. I don't like but when you when you affected by it I'm saying it hurts more. You're the working American Dream actually. Oh big time coming from from Africa like not even a dollar in your pocket your father. Did you know English? I remember one day. I walked in the side chicken place on my mother was working because she knew the Arabic got And I walked to the back and I opened the door and she was just making Salat. She was crying. You know, I'm saying it was just like all the not all this guy stop here. And I pray to God everything I thank him for letting me so all them drugs that are sold and I get caught. Well, I got caught one time two times but you know, it was like one more chance is like, you know, you're gonna get the part. I'm just all that picture is her sacrificing, you know, I'm saying it's just all this stuff so that push Me to make the best music and become the person I am today, and I'm so happy that he left because I would never been a man. I am saying you got big moral Club records bangers made me look good as a DJ and I met a club at a festival or whatever a great year. Thank you. But there's a lot of pain behind those tracks. Is this crazy hearing your story. Of course, that's why there's the the strike like Sanctuary. There's like as I'm saying, Like people are like laughing with became like until French Montana after Unforgettable and after pop that they don't know. I got like 16 our projects. Like I got a whole album or Three 6 Mafia like like I got mac and cheese series. I got the casino life series. I got the Coke Wave series on me and Max B, you know, I'm saying like me and chinks like there's like just going like that pen for going like if you really want to hear what French Montana case Well, you know, so I'm just glad I'm still here and doing better. It's kind of cool you a new artist. Yeah, it was my second album is my second. I won't but put me next to anybody. I don't care who they are putting me. Give me an hour on stage. Give them my own stage. I'll blow their head off. No, I'm saying a lot of these artists, you know, I had to fight with my righteous. No not until I had to make it out the slums in the middle of the mecca of Hip Hop. And you've always shown love to the UK as well. Love the language. That's London language a host. Love you guys. Yeah, its just oh, yeah. I love that and I love like, you know, you know, you know, you know, the best part that I love is when I do a record with new Arts like see how they were Stefan Don that that hurt. I love that, you know, because I know that feeling when I was coming up and I call my first I can see how the only thing I remember was me and Jadakiss, New York Minute. I love that. I love being a part of her history, you know, and I felt that and I was like, I'm first I want to really go gold the platinum and everything, you know, it's just love the moment is dope as well as why does Festival earlier this year? Like you play did you see shout out us, you know, he's going through some things at the moment. So it felt like, you know people there's a fake. This is is it's a fake made-up word over here. We live in when it comes to this industry the moment. You hit it left everything disappeared like dust fall down. You know, I just feel like you know, sometimes very important to remind people with spark the brain of the people and supposed to be real to stand behind the people that kept it real. Well if you got lined up what's coming next no styles for now almost came from Dubai have the GQ on first time GQ ever. Did it through covers and one. You know just working on an album right now and ready too much. I'm trying to focus on that. How's that coming along? I'm trying to make the best project in my life again, and I'll but this one I feel like this this one feel like it's just gonna be the movie, right? Yeah, maybe if you're not doing any come by the studio, listen some Vibes. Yeah, definitely definitely and then someone tell me what you think, you know you looking to connect to any of you kayaks. Me and Deena just got ahold of one of my favorite groups out of here jungle. I mean if me and gigs, you know, we got a project that we just don't know how I'm going to put it out. I'm serious. Yeah, we just did a personal stylist him and gashi. So, you know to go listen to that. I have a record out there was stuff along Dawn for my album is so crazy. I just love like hearing new sounds like, you know, it's really searching for it. His find a new thing. You probably know more than me by some of our studio. You play me some Vibes. Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's a street you in the club's out. Are you see what's going on? Going to move to Cloud give the people what they want and all of that. So why is it stop mode? Most of the you come with? Yeah, you know you are my bro. So but thanks for taking the time out to do this brother forever. Always good to see you as always, you know, and in anytime you're in London like thanks for having me Beverly Hills again. Thank you for watching. We always the same love since day one. I appreciate all the love. We common strong this year the show may come with the movie and everything it nice good man. You got it. No stylist as well as popping off. Okay. Definitely. We got more as I'm saying like if you freaking by Studio, this is all about play some joints. All right, let's do that. Love my bro. All right.

Fresh after headlining Who We Be Live and literally shutting down Alexandra Palace, DJ Semtex connects with French Montana for an exclusive in-depth talk. Semtex has interviewed French Montana several times throughout his career, he has witnessed his evolution from mixtape artist to a global citizen in every sense. Born and raised in Morocco, then emigrating to the US in his teens, French always had an international overview, but as he has grown, so has his understanding of his own responsibility and where he came from. We hear the hits, we see the crowds go crazy, and we stream them worldwide, but most of the time we know little about how they came about, or the pain that inspired them. After 20 mixtapes and 2 albums, it’s safe to say that the process of releasing his global multi-platinum smash ‘Unforgettable’ has changed him. This is a very different interview to what DJ Semtex conducted with French Montana a year ago in Los Angeles, and almost light years apart from when they first connected back in 2012\. French Montana has a greater outlook on world events, a deeper understanding of his role, and is actively participating in initiatives to change the lives of people within his Homeland. This is a very different artist with a very different perspective.

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It is Monday night. That means it's bachelorette and it's the first half of our finale. I am your host Mike feeling. I am joined only arouse me. I was hey technical definition I get to make mistakes in the captain's chair. I am your host Mike dealing. I'm joy. And of course by two lovely ladies to my left first is Christine. Hi guys. What's up, its Christine Alexis. Here and then further to my left is Renee. Hello. Good evening. Hello and good evening. It's Chris Harrison. Jeff is out today. He is on a very special one-on-one date with his wife. I love her halfs with some fantasy suite happening later on. We don't know should we cheer for it as the audience? Very good. Very good. Yes, of course guys. We're going to go over everything that happened in tonight's first half of the finale tonight. We've Our special segment who got some tweeting for the right reasons. We've got some special news, we're gonna do predictions and we've got a voice from Jeff before he left the studio today on his takes but first ladies, let me get your overall thoughts on tonight's episode. This episode was it was as we talked about a set up for tomorrow night's episode to memorize What I'm Living For but tonight was fun to see where Hannah is with these last two relationships and as much as Peter's heart was broken. And mine was mended. He is now single I'm gonna have to agree with you there. This this is obviously just a setup episode. But as equally as awkward as the first half of the half of the episode was it was also my favorite just because of so many mean worthy moments with Peters family and just that whole interaction Force for two people who broke up from a serious relationship. They look very chummy. So I thought that was a very telling part of this episode. Yeah Peter's family and then Hannah's family with Jed. Made the entire episode. Absolutely. Yeah, it's pretty cool. Let's go right from the top. So we get back. The Luke thing is finally done and we've got Chris moving the pedestal back because we're actually going to have a final three thing. What did you guys think of this Rose ceremony in general after having the whole Luke P disaster go on and now she's finally picking some people Renee. It happened just like you thought it was gonna happen. Yes. It did predicted Peter going home because to be honest. I don't know. I thought maybe her connection to Tyler was more about lust so maybe because she thought it would be easier for her to say goodbye to him at the end as opposed to Peter who she had like a stronger emotional connection to but at the same time we see her now she's struggling. So I don't know. I mean it happened the way I thought Peter was a total gentleman about it, by the way, I know last. Her the week before that we talked about that news about Peters girlfriend. And then I don't know if you guys saw but Chris Harrison spoke out and said there was more to the story. So basically, I'm on board with Peter again back to team Peter love, you know, you're home now, but yeah, I was just so sad and he kind of got a little bit of The Bachelorette it yeah, that's exactly the vibe that I was getting. I mean poised respectful. He just kind of hit all the notes and then right before he got in the limo. It was like that too. Tears just started coming. I was like, okay the Waterworks that we're getting busy lately. Stop before going in and was like late summer in the tears coming to town. Yeah, it was um, it was interesting especially at the live portion as well. He was so solemn and just really very visibly emotional Wyatt and I think Americans really going to latch onto Peter right now. Oh, yeah, there was that one moment during the live part 1 when Hannah was out when she was 4 she was like no like you didn't do anything wrong. She's like well now that I think about it. Yeah, then basically so like you didn't open up soon enough and I loved loved when Peter was like, well, you know what like I'm just here to be me and like that's what I did and I have no regrets and I love the he like stuck with that. He wasn't like well, I wish I could have done that. You're like no. I was myself. You pushed me to go my shell. I did as much as I could in that flat and your for it. It's really what the live thing with Peter was about. It was like two completely separate halves. They seem really chummy and almost a little bit awkward in the beginning. Then when they kind of got down to it in the second half it was a weird back and forth because just like Peter said why did you describe our relationship as a slow burn? I was theoretically were the only ones who slept together essentially is what he's saying, right? Yeah. I was proud of him for actually calling her out on that and asking because again, like initially she kind of copped out like there was nothing wrong but then started to peel back the layers and really be honest about it and I do genuinely feel like once she said that I saw the look of like understanding on his face and When I actually saw their body chemistry kind of change and then it became a little more flirty and I think we all picked up on the fact that there's still very much real chemistry between them and I think with that Clarity, you know, you just never know. I mean, I know we don't know what's going to happen tomorrow, but I just get the vibe that there's not this isn't the end of The Love Story with Peter and Hannah. I'm Jack I'm truly not sure and he by the way uses the word truly a lot episode truly because truly you. You I mean when they went back and forth, there's obviously chemistry there and unresolved feelings. Like Hannah was almost in tears. He was almost in tears and we don't see that a lot on after the final Rose because usually at that point but it's two of them and the other guy that lost is the one that's like trying to get a bachelor at it. So he's not really showing emotions or showing that he's like it was very hard, but I'm very happy for her. And then the Bachelor or Bachelorette is just happy in their new relationship, but I I think tonight was the most dead giveaway the Hannah's not happy aside from Chris Harrison himself be like, is it a yeah. Where is she heartbroken and like yeah, I'm guessing heartbroken because the girl seems single do you think a lot of the looks and kind of the emotion and stuff that we see especially from Hannah is Regret knowing what's happening in the real world for the past few months and what comes out with Jed and things like that. It would seem let me let's tinfoil. Hat up, right if you think okay in the tomorrow. She lets Tyler go chooses to keep Jed then in the wake of all that all this stuff comes out and she truly gets heartbroken because she really felt for Jed. Do you think that's the result of what we see right there with Peter the reason why I'm not so quick to jump to that theory. Is because we don't see yet how much The Break-Up hypothetical break up with Tyler affects her yet because she could still very much have strong feelings for Left for him to we've only seen her interaction with Peter right now. I think tomorrow when we see them in person, I'll have a better idea of whether she regrets not choosing Peter or regrets not choosing Tyler. We really don't know. Yeah, I definitely sense regret though, even though she was wording things. She kept having to change it to past tense. Yeah, and I think that was a sign of knowing like yeah, I do you think I messed up and I wish that I had gotten to know you more. I think she truly I mean think about it between Luke p and Jed the to that she was mainly focusing on look at those guys and look how much time she wasted on both of them. Yep, if they're broken up we're assuming so if she picks Jed but like that must be a hard pill to swallow of having this huge opportunity to meet your husband have 30 guys having a good amount of good guys, but picking the That are the worst to focus on. Yeah, that's make it so far. Yeah having to face the ones that were good and these reunions and be like look great. Yeah. I messed up here. Yeah, you're right. There is Regret. There's just a regret Grease the bowl just got just in general for her entire time. Let's talk before we move on to the two dates. Let's talk about the extremely cringe-worthy moments. That was Peter and the audience and his parents. Oh, so first up we have Hannah saying aye. I got scared that I might have let the perfect guy go and then wonderful random woman in the back screaming you did right and she's like, haha. Yeah, and then Dead Silence in the rest of the audience that made my whole night and I just say like that was hilarious like you can script that unless they literally paid someone to say that in the audience because the timing and can we have whoever that was on as a guest, please absolutely Ryan producer Ryan. Get on that get that woman in the city. Okay. Thanks so much. It's so Kari hop Heimer in the chances. I think Hannah just feels embarrassed by how it all went down. I have to agree. I think that's really astute observation. I think that's exactly right is but especially in the wake of all the news is come out and things like that. It doesn't make her look fantastic for keeping at least those two guys Jed. You can't really know about right but rank. It seems like the signs were over and over and over again. And so she's got a lot of flak for it. Am I super cold hearted or very cynical in just my observation of how Peters family just reacts the entire time in what way I mean? I don't know. I think I'm cynical. I see this as a reality television show and to me his mom just breaking down and crying it was as if Peter got diagnosed with some incurable disease or something and just wasn't like kicked off of the three-week relationship. He had I think the mom Not really been on television that height and her emotions on top of that being in the emotional setting that it is of watching your son get dumped on TV and then seeing him get choked up. I think if that even happen to my girlfriend I'd be and I'm just an emotional person. I think I'd be the only thing I'm going to show you. Okay, like, you know, she's okay, but on TV show isn't okay and actually growing in the chair but like the family was a little bit much specially when the sex thing came up Jesus Christ. Oh my God, his mom was basically acting like it was a telenovela like she was just like oh my son broke. Is Art. I just wanted to thank they clap for windmills sex before the four-time it missionary right family. Yup. Yup. And then she really why do you think Hannah made it? So why do you think she set the record straight there was actually twice as many times they had sex than what she really said flirty and funny flirty and funny, maybe some more ratings. I don't know it just I thought it was crazy that she would say that honestly, I thought it was something that you would reveal in an interview later and it kind of being Cheeky offhand comment. I did not think she was going to pull that right there after they just were so emotional about their breakup. Well, so emotional and to put that out there. It's like wait. Okay. So not only did you theoretically we're not sure about Jed right only have sex with Peter. They were like OK twice like yeah, you got it, but then it's like no four times and then pick up in the night. Yeah, and you dumped him right y over yourself up even more II don't even know. What did she think that he would say it later and she Wanted to get ahead of it. I don't know. I don't think even Peters that kind of guy but I mean because doesn't make her look any better doesn't make him look any better. It doesn't really serve anything. Right? If anything it makes her look worse for obviously having a really strong connection with someone and then dumping them. No think it makes her look worse at all. I just think it's we're talking about it and it did what it was supposed to do. I know it was definitely like an oh my God moment in an otherwise pretty pedestrian episode in the sense that we knew what was gonna happen terms of pacing so, It did give us the amazing moment for Chris Harrison to talk about Lupe's heart exploding in the very second one case it four times those very very good man. They're gonna milk when P for as long as possible. Yeah, they got to get them involved with something else. Right? That guy is no, you know, he's begging to be on TV somewhere else. He should and TV challenges. He challenged Ex on the Beach kind of guy. What would you are we on the challenge what with those morals and he's all come on if he what we No his morals before the shower Jesus seen were different. So he's right for someone for an Ex on the Beach. Like if you just see him coming up the beach and he's somebody's ex. I just want him to stay home. I'm gonna Paradise. I don't want to go on The Bachelorette again. I don't want to be on a crappy MTV spin-off. Whatever I need to do is going to be lurking. I just want him to be home or with his all those people and is First that somehow love him to stay there just stay there. That's all seems like he's really got a good support group. Just like we do all of our fans right here in the chat with us right now. We see all you guys Sheen a ho Babylon Misha Bella a be Christina and my friend who's always with me on love Island Amy. We four times in the windmill. How many drinks did they have which is a dead reference to love Island where they are only allowed two drinks maximum everyday can't believe that is amazing. So yeah, they probably were allowed. A couple bottles of wine here speaking of all our fans and our amazing folks. One of my two friends here is going to give a special message and shout out to all of our afterbuzzers. Yes guys before we move on to the next topic. 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Okay, we find out the real reason he's a dancer is because he was doing so crappy freshman year of college that they gave a bunch of dance classes to raise GPA. It's just say I love that moment from him. I thought was actually really funny and kind of vulnerable because don't forget like he's 25. Like II was not exactly the best a student all the time in college. Like I it was just such a relatable thing to say and it's like that's how you stumbled onto something. That's actually they're really passionate about and I just thought it was yeah. It was like very honest. Yeah. Yeah. I loved it. And real quick, we're going to get Jeff steak again later because we haven't filmed but he had a really hot ticket this exact moment because Hanna's mom asks a lot of questions of Tyler about have you guys had disagreements. What are you going to do when there is disagreements and saying as a throwback to when Hannah was talking about her parents relationship, you know, basically centering around Financial Security and not having a lot of love necessarily and that being a big part me. What did you guys think of that? Um, I mean, it's definitely something that they related on when they did have that initial conversation and I appreciated the way that Tyler didn't back down from those difficult questions. In fact, he answered them so well and so directly that he loves such a great impression and I think I think he just played it. Well, he's very aware of what the situation is and he was driving home all the points of the fact that he is financially stable. He does understand how things get hard and how you have to work through those situations and just kind of proving that like, he's not afraid of Conflict when it will inevitably come and I thought that was a very mature way to look at the situation of like, oh, we're just we're someone lover like everything's gonna be good forever know it's like we're going to experience tough times and I'm going to be there for her through it all and I was just clap it up for Tyler. Yeah. I love that. The only complaint I have about Tyler on this date and I will say it's something I've always paid attention to whether or not someone's nervous meeting your family. I do think that's an important question kind of asked. He said no, I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt because I think he's just a very lacks person is like whatever like I'm chill. I'm Tyler but like for the most part, I think it says something with some nervous about meeting your family because it's so important to make a great impression on someone's family that you're going to spend the rest of your life with and when people on the show, it drives me nuts when people aren't nervous and if you pay attention, like there are seasons where the bachelor will be nervous about meeting like to of the girl's parents and then not the other one and you kind of get a feel of who's The who's a front-runner? Yeah, but this this point I think it might just be a Tyler personality thing. I wouldn't call it out for being like a fault or a bad sign. I forgot of Jed was asked that though as was specific question, if you if you know reservist for me because this straight up ask them. They're like were you nervous to meet us? And he's like no, I'm just excited. I was like what? Yeah. Yeah. I like that answer. I don't know. I was not nervous to meet my in-laws for the first time. No, not at all. I don't no, I'm just that kind of person. I guess I wasn't I guess well, you tell me what's the line of confidence versus Cockiness of like I know I'm a good guy. I'm no I'm good with her so I know they're going to see it. I'm not nervous to me because I know I'm going to make a great impression because there were good I guess but at the same time it's like they're family, like people that you've never met that they are they could be in your lives your life forever sure. And if they don't like you and you make any kind of bad impression if you say something that may rub them. The wrong way or if they're different kinds of people than you like it's scary because you want to be in their good graces because this is your future husband or wife and that's an intimidating moment. I'm sure once you get in there, you're fine. You're just going to be yourself. But in the beginning you're like, oh my God, what if this happens? Oh what if this happens, you know, I think part of like saying to like, you know answering like no I wasn't nervous is also just like a self-fulfilling prophecy. Like don't say you're nervous. If you don't start them acting like a nervous babbling fool. I think that's also part of it too. Yeah. That's fair. I don't know I In the past. I usually like when contestants are nervous meeting the family whether it's a contestant or the bachelor. It just makes me it's more of a relatable thing than like, that's cool. Yeah, Dad coming out real strong for Hannah as an obvious Bachelorette fan and Bachelor fan. No one exactly what goes down in the fantasy suites and he is really happy that it didn't go there with Tyler so that they could explore their mental relationship or what-have-you. I thought was really interesting. That he really kind of harped on it both to Tyler and to Hannah this made dad really excited man it I know where's talking within the content the contract of this date, but it's got to her for Tyler watching this whole thing back knowing that she had sex with Peter for time now. Yeah four times but I'm going back to that. Yeah again more points for Tyler like makes him look like a super chivalrous guy super just like loving and understanding and like that's something that the parents both said several times that he Comes across a very loving and I got that Vibe as well from the edit. Yeah. Okay Avalon Parts got an interesting take Tyler knows how families deal with business and bad money because his parents lost their property and a lot of money during the recession. So that's interesting. He knows how to kind of rebuild that goes a little bit especially if you're talking about property a little bit into his background as a general contractor and things like that. So that would if they actually explore that more and stuff that we didn't get to see that'd be very appealing I would think to Hannah's parents who are seemingly very focused on the The intial aspect of taking care of Hannah with whomever she picks if he's able to you know, he has experience in rebuilding from the ground up should anything happen, right? I feel like Tyler and Hannah's dad has such a like cool Bond. I wouldn't be surprised if something's got cut on the floor of them just chopping it up about like what kind of projects he works on because like he is a very like manly man's job. Yeah, you know being a contractor doing all this stuff. So I'm sure he got so many points. Yeah tonight conversation. I think the final thing in this that I wanted to touch on is where do you guys excuse me? What do you guys feel about Tyler right now? Because when Hannah specifically talks to him she talks about in the beginning not being sure if she was just in lust with him and exactly what she felt about when their relationships and now they seem totally fine. So do you guys see it as having change and how do you feel about Tyler right now in this moment? I mean, I like their connection a lot. I don't know what else to say like I think at this point when I see them together, I you have to compare on this show. So I don't think of the relationship alone and compared to Jed. She just seems more Indigent. So for me, it's always like you just compare the relationships. I think we think more about Tyler as a person and like, oh he be great for her but as their relationship, it's great. And I do think she is probably falling in love with him or is in love with him. But like she's more in love with someone else. Yeah, actually Now that you say that comparing the two it feels like Hannah and Tyler just became boyfriend and girlfriend. Whereas like Jedi feels like Hannah and John have been together and they're going through like their first major fight and the hurdles of like a year and what their families think like. I just feel so much further along like the weight of their relationship. But with that being said, it's like is Hannah going to go for the guy who now, she's so giddy about in this field. So like fresh and finally like confirmed like will that hold more weight. Versus like this other relationship that was so strong initially and they are now fighting these hurdles because judge family didn't like Hannah and Hannah to come. He isn't really fond of Jed. So there's something to be said about this like it's us against the world type thing. That could also be working in Hannah's mine right now, that could also be making her feelings for get a little stronger because you kind of want something you got to work a little harder for yeah, and it almost I was thinking it almost makes it more cringy what happened with Hannah's family and Jed if you go with It seems like they've actually been the front-runner couple maybe really been a relationship this whole time and then it was nothing but her family kind of striking it down right off the bat. Yeah, right. I mean finances finances finances. I took a little bit. That's I'm going overboard. I didn't take offense to it, but I thought it was kind of out of line, especially 2019 really, you know, please ensure no reason woman has any less earning potential or anything? I'm like that than a man. There's no reason why at worst it's not 5050 in a relationship and she seems more than capable of getting whatever job or career whatever she wants to do in fulfilling it if this truly is the person that she's completely in love with who cares if he makes less money, it's also I also feel bad for Jed and I'm speaking of vacuum because we know stuff outside right? So I'm just running within the context of the show completely when the context of the show and then we can talk about outside but inside if he's really put it out there and And I'm a musician. This is what I'm passionate about this what I'm really trying to go for. It doesn't also mean that he doesn't have side jobs and things like that. I want to be a host. I'm not a 100% professional host right now. I do other work on the side. There's really no difference and I luckily I guess my family has never looked down on me for anything like that or what I pursue and I felt bad for him in the moment. That's a really fair observation as someone who does multiple side hustles myself. I can I can understand that but I think what you're saying Hannah is on the same page because she at every turn kept bringing up the fact that she is a woman with her own dreams and aspirations and she seemed she gave off the vibe that she's like, I'm a writer die type if we're both going to be pursuing her thing. Like that's that's okay too. But when you meet her family and you see how hard-pressed they are about that you got to know that's probably something she was raised to believe that regardless of her dreams like their shoot. There should be some sort of financial stability from the man in the relationship or just period so It is still a valid conversation and concern I do agree. Maybe the Nuance of the fact that it's 2019 was maybe lost on her parents, but I think they're also coming from a place of like this is my daughter like yeah, I need to do my due diligence to make sure I'm suggesting the guy who's gonna check off all those boxes regardless of how the situation plays out. Yeah. I mean listen. I thought I think that they both can contribute to a family. It is 2019. I will say though it like logistically if you're if one of you is a dreamer and the other one is more of a stable person like, you know, providing stability awesome, whether it's the man or the woman, but if they're both dreamers before we continue one of the ways we keep all these shows for you free is by our amazing sponsors. And today Spotify is one of our sponsors on Spotify. You can listen to all of your favorite. 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However going in the life of the musician I will say like gem in a very clear his number-one priority is music Tyler made it very clear. His number-one priority is going to be family, right but the end of the When you're thinking like yes, I want family. And yes, I want I want to Chase my dreams and be with someone that can be there for me. Whatever like on paper. It's clearly Tyler. I think Jed's life right now is super unstable. I mean with taken out the vacuum, like look at the fact he went on this look at this. No mess of his life he had before he like left his girlfriend without breaking up with her to go on the show to get Fame changed. His mind said like no I want to be in this and I want to be with this woman like he's all over the place. He's not a stable person. He doesn't have a stable job. Job, there's a lot of things unstable about Jed. Whereas Tyler has represented stability as a whole and someone who will truly be there for you. So I understand the parents concerns and to be honest Judd didn't sell me either wasn't like what he was saying was making me go. Yeah. Yeah, where are they not understanding. I was just like this is it but that's a great point. He wasn't exactly giving us that kind of earnest like yeah, but I make I make ends meet no matter what vibe it was just like yeah, but like you don't really know me. I'm like, yeah I have Which basically answers the question he was real nervous and then he probably got worse as soon as dad started talking. I wanted to point out the fact that literally pretty much what her dad said was almost exactly what Luke P said on his couch interview being a man has a specific role in the relationship. They basically said the same thing and loop P got cringy booze for that and I just wanted to put it out there that we're not letting dad slide right through It's very similar, but not really controlling a woman buddy. I think he was talking about he wasn't talking about provide. He wasn't talking about controlling exactly. What a woman does Luke was and he was really talking about providing and saying that a man has a role. Like I know you hate Luke but we 30 seconds or more to answer. Do you want a woman you can keep in a glass case and take down when you want, but that's not what I was talking about. But my point is it's all about control. Going off of that like I get what you're saying, but Luke is someone who just wants to control someone. So yes, that's part of the control. Like I don't think Luke should be considered in this argument. To be honest with you. I think the dad like as a very few want to call it like traditional view of how like a woman and a man should be in a house that I don't agree with. However, I don't think it's the sense of like you need to control her knees provided you like provide for her and then she won't it's different for me. I also wonder if the financial struggles that Hannah's parents went through we're has maybe the dad was down on his luck at some point and maybe that's what's really driving him to want someone to be that financially stable because it could have been the Crux of their marriage don't we don't know that's actually a really good point because a lot of times like Jeff was saying this and I think we'll get to his video but like the parents probably only had stability at the end of the day like maybe the love died or maybe they had some other issues about the end the day that's all they had. So they want at least her daughter to have that and if you think about it, they see her having love with both guys. So why not pick the one that's also stable? Yeah, I've got to them because they don't know exactly what she's thinking right so they can only see some kind of surface level of how she's interacting with the two of them. I also think you just get vibes from people and I think the parents have got a bad vibe from Jed like clearly from the get-go be fair to be honest dead-on. That's not I honestly I'm gonna bet my boyfriend's through Hannah's family because they were onto something that's what's gonna happen. Well, that's the freaky thing because I didn't agree with what they were saying, but I said, wow because of what we actually know about Jed you our right just for the wrong reasons that you don't know about yet and so good on you and I also thought it was it was a little bit damning saying specifically relating to Jed. We don't want you to settle. Oh, I love that right because of the outside contact right like so good so good. But I mean, I know you said off air as well that like if we didn't if that all wasn't there would be feeling bad for the guy. Absolutely. So I mean everybody what no matter what you put in the chat. No about Jed's background you'd feel bad for him. Just see what we've seen of him in the show. Everything seemed really really great. And then the parents kind of shut him down pretty hard. I don't know because I didn't find him to be honest just watching it and I'll go back to I didn't find him likable during this whole meeting with their family. I found just for tonight. Okay? Oh, yeah. I have loved if I didn't know what I knew like there are times. I really loved you. But tonight he didn't wow me at all he and say anything that made me go. Oh my gosh, look at truly felt like He didn't even know what to say because he knows he can't provide he knows he's unstable and he knows about Haley he didn't take I mean, it was a situation where he had to be on the defensive, but he just didn't handle it. Well, I think it was definitely a way to bounce back from that and present your character in a way that's going to make you look good and I feel like he didn't do a great job at that. But I think this is a good time to hear Jeff's take on this. Yes. It is a good times. I don't think he's gonna talk about the dates. So Ryan if you would roll in our maestro Unfortunately, I'm not able to make tonight's broadcast, but I still had plenty of thoughts in the finale part 1 and I wanted to share them in the panel is very graciously letting me send in this video. So I'll keep it very quick Peter's. Goodbye was very emotional. But seeing him on air with Hannah was super interesting whatever happened to the finale. It's clear that there's definitely strong feelings between the two of them still and I don't know I just whatever's gonna happen with Peter. It's clear after tonight's show that he's if he wants to be involved at the franchise weather. Paradise or even being a potential future Bachelor the opportunity should and will be wide open for him because he handles the site. Well, definitely that heartbreak get it and we'll see what happens with him in terms of the actual rest of the episode in terms of both guys meeting the families. Tyler's was obviously very straightforward meeting the family loved him. He Charmed the family like he's managed to charm the rest of Bachelor Nation. I'm gonna be honest something about Tyler still makes me feel like he's a little phony. He always has the right answers, but even though he spoke to his family, Family, his responses seemed to be exactly what the family would want to hear but I don't always believe him. I realized maybe it's the lack of intonation. He uses in his voice. He kind of says everything in the same monotone no matter what it is. So I just find it kind of fishy sometimes but he definitely Charmed the family much more than Jed did obviously they were primarily growing jet on financial issues whether or not he's gonna be able to provide for the family and I understand why I think I was saying to the panel as we watched the Show that Hannah opened up earlier in the season about the fact that her parents marriage isn't particularly strong. It's kind of more of an obligatory marriage. So I think for Hannah's parents Financial stability is the only kind of foundational thing grounding their marriage together their past the honeymoon stage and Hannah kind of implied that there's not much love or romance or even Intimacy in their marriage anymore. So for both of those parents to them, they can only Envision a successful marriage if it's based on the Leti for financial stability to ground the couple. So that's why Hannah's parents were as obsessed with Jed's ability to provide for Hannah as he could be so that was kind of my take on all that Hannah slept with Tyler is the implication, right and Jed and Hannah had a good pretty good last date. I just wanted to share most of those stops. Those aren't my full thoughts. I'll give some more I will be there for the finale tomorrow, but I'm going to go because I need to give time to rest of the panel to analyze the show. Renae Christine Mike, I miss you guys have a great show. I'll see y'all tomorrow. He needed to get his one-on-one date hanging because fact us. What would you guys think pretty right on and I think you agree with a lot of stuff we're talking about. Yeah. I think he covered. I mean it's just, you know, before we get to the final dates real quick everybody in the chat wants to talk about the dog food stuff. I know so I God super quick Jed said Jen says to the family and I knew what he was doing here this Sighs look I can be successful. I can't I have had success. I sold my services to this dog food company in writing a jingle Fair Play There's what thousands millions of musicians who probably never made a dime doing music. So that is something he's got something going on, but it did not work out the way he wanted it because he didn't sell it like the way he said it actually sounded ridiculous. Yes. That's if my musician from was like, oh my God, I worked out this deal with Kermit. Dog food and they're going to pay me for this song and this song I like. Oh my God that good for you. But he was like, yeah, like I died so I do music for like dog food and that I was like what like that's how I yeah. See, I do make money in the way. He said it like everything about it wasn't selling it was not sharing to be like learn about me. It just came across very unlikable similarly to how he originally introduced himself as a musician. Ian songwriter as if he was like pitching himself like is this American I didn't like any of it the way he sold everything just felt gross and that just was such a bad cell I agree and I also got the vibe from him especially from his items because he was very much like shocked that the family didn't just welcomed him with open arms that I got the impression. He didn't feel like he had to try hard. He said it's an he's like, I thought like they would just I would come in here and they would just see how natural it is with us. Like like why do I even have to try hard and it's like dude you gotta try This is her family. This is her Inner Circle. You have to make a great first impression and he we can all agree. He dropped the ball on that know I think a little too confident in the wrong time when it's literally down to just you and one other person like bro Morgan. I do agree with you Peter for Renee. Hashtag Peter for me real quick as we got it gets all our special segments and we run out of time. They have the last two final dates Tyler than Jed Tyler had horses yet again, the Poor guy Jet got a great boat, but Hannah ended up getting sick and just like Jeff said she spends the night with Tyler whatever that means and she goes away from Jed. So anything big you guys wanted to mention or talk about based on those last final two dates before tomorrows reveal. Now, I was bored the whole time ago States. I'm being real with you guys. Yeah. Yeah anything anything new was said. No, he isn't going Clarity the girls either. I mean, apparently she doesn't seem to get clarity tomorrow night either from the way they teased it sounds right? Yeah that's going to be Moment. She's like I know what to do. I'll be so excited about like it's going to be like, I don't know this he's great. He's great. We get it. We've seen the relationships. We know how they are because she's she's had no Clarity. It's just like well tomorrow you got to you have to do tomorrow. I like the Strategic boat seasickness wording. That was a foreshadowing. I don't like the rocky roads ahead or whatever. It was cool. Yeah, it's funny because Miss plant promotion and the chat says, I think Hannah doesn't feel worthy of Tyler. She thought he was a player and she always prayed to feel worthy. I think she doesn't believe he would love her. Yeah, I can I could see that I mean, especially considering the love that she has accepted on the show. If you think about the guys like Jed who are point and then Luke P. So I do think that is very telling. Yeah, it's really interesting. Well, will she do the classic girl move and pick the asshole in the end and send home the big guy who loves her shit. We'll see that's the whole reason. They left us on a cliffhanger. We never got any more. Studio with Hannah that was just a complete tease anything with her back with Chris and basically, it's like yeah guys come back tomorrow, right? She's like, yeah guys Jen has a girlfriend will talk about tomorrow. Okay. Yeah. I mean there's so much to talk about we got five minutes real quick someone I saw earlier in the chats. Did you guys find it weird that Chris didn't bring up Peters girlfriend situation and what I was going to ask I'm let you guys go off. Do you think it's because as a franchise or trying to set him up for more bachelor/bachelorette stuff? No because Chris Harrison Is smart enough not to go public in an interview saying I am going. Drill both Jed and Peter on after the final Rose and then not do it. So is Peter coming back tomorrow? That's the real question because yes, they didn't address any rumors with Peter today. But like why would Chris Harrison say that in an interview? Right? And it he can't just pretend that never happened. So he either has to explain why he chose not to drill Peter lik, he promised an interview which I was looking forward to or it's got to happen tomorrow because that was BS. He really that one interview made me think. Okay. There's more to the story. We're going to get it and I'm excited for it. But we didn't get anything. Yeah. Yeah. I just I mean it might be wishful thinking but I have hope that he's gonna address it tomorrow. I think it's also going to be in the context of like just overall addressing the claims against Jed the claims against Peter and just overall drama within the franchise kind of just putting it all to bed tomorrow. So hopefully comes back and he'll probably still end up getting a good edit from it because it'll if it does play out the way that I'm getting the vibe like I because I get the vibe that Chris likes him. Oh, yeah, he's gonna get a great edit if it's followed. Away by Jed and his girlfriend thinks I'm still look like nothing. We're gonna find out we're going to see Hannah trip and fall and stumble yet. Once again, you know, it's in all the previews but until tomorrow, let us go right now Ryan to our tweets that we sent in, you know, guys, we take a look at everything that you guys are tweeting around Bachelor Nation. We pick a few of the really really fun ones to feature. Who's this? Okay, this is right. This is mine. So, oh gosh, it says no context. Thank you Ryan. No context spoilers so far for the finale and then we Have a plane in the water with a lot of people which is Peter getting sent home number four because when Mill and then you see an empty wallet Jed and the dog food you guys if you looked up the no context spoilers every week. They're my favorite thing every week. They're great. This is mine Hannah saying, I'm just really confused and Jen saying I don't have my guitar. So I don't know how to respond. We had no guitar here. I can't believe you didn't bring a guitar for the family, right? That would have been a way to sell it. Really sold it. Yeah, if you made her song with their names in it on the spot stop stop thick but the dog for Chad stop sweet as well. I don't know if we can get up. It's in that same email right there might sweet was Luke be watching The Bachelorette finale and finding out Hannah and pilot Pete had sex four times in a windmill and it Samira Steve girl from the office. So you're going to H ew l You gotta know that loopy was salty listening. No could not be excited about it at all. Awesome. That is are tweeting for the right reasons and now Christine you a little bit of fun news for us. Yeah. Yeah just a fun little bit of news and gossip for you guys. So first off, you know our lovely former Bachelor Colton Underwood has seemingly spoke out in support of one particular contestant for bachelor. And that is pilot Peter. He recently posted on his Instagram page a picture of himself. Just holding up a pilot spin to his shirt and saying I hear Pilots make good. Bachelors doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out who this pick for bachelor. And on that note my second piece of news and gossip for you guys is tonight that Chris Harrison did say in an interview on Bachelor Party speaking to eat. He's Lauren Zima it gave his girlfriend as you guys know. Hey basic, he said that we will not find out who the bachelor is until Bachelor until after Bachelor in Paradise airs. I'm going off of Chris Harrison's word. Obviously if ABC decides differently and we find out sooner. We'll find out but as of right Right now that's kind of the running. I guess way that they're going about it because as you guys remember, Nick wasn't chosen to be the bachelor until after his stint in paradise and neither was Holton, so there's a lot that still at play here with people like Mike who we know will run the back of Bachelor in Paradise. So we're just going to wait a little longer. I see all these Peter for bachelor comments in the live chat guys, but we just don't know yet. Did it just real quick did this last episode and maybe even last week did it raise Peters stock for our potential to wanted me to be a bachelor? Yeah, well, I've I mean, you know me. Well, yeah, I mean, yes, you don't want him to be Bachelor. I got a friend. That's true. Listen. I'm fine for Peter for Bachelor or Peter for Renee. One of them. Let's do it. Well either watch him for a season or will date for a season. It's going to be great just to season. This is specific time. I'm here for Peter for Renee. Just tell him to bring it definitely raises stock for me, but I'm still very much team Mike for bachelor. Like I need the Franchise to go in this direction for me just like one time for the one time please. It's got to be it's got to be between Peter and Tyler. Who's Bachelor Peter Peter Tyler Tyler. Mmm, interesting. Okay, that is a perfect way to segue Ryan. Can we have the AfterBuzz predictions music you're a miserable will find out who wins Renee who does Hannah pick? I think that Luke p is going to come - yes. Yes sitting. I think that she's gonna pick Chad but then they're going to break up and they're going to record something about their breakup and then they're gonna meet up and whatever. Okay feels very our ears. Oh, yeah completely Jesus. I um God, I mean, okay. I'ma be honest. I think she picks even lying this whole time. No, I think she's changed her mind Pig Jed and then Be even more heartbroken that he did that to her like all with in tomorrow's episode but change her mind back in Crete Yaga. I think this is all gonna happen tomorrow night of her being like I want it to be Tyler and then she like has some indecision at the last minute in man chooses Jed and that's what's going to make this whole thing even more spicy. I mean, that's a great take that would be awesome. I think whatever happens she picks Jed I and I wanted a big jet because I want the drama and want the entry of not well that happens. I'm I will be unwell guys let us know in the chat who you think she is going to pick post it in the comments will read it's only good for tonight. So who do you guys think? She is going to pick this is the big deal regardless of who she picks. We are going to be right back here tomorrow. Jeff is going to be back. We're going to be for strong until tomorrow. Ladies. Where can they find you you guys you can find me on Twitter at Christine be with three. He's and on Instagram at Christine I Alexis again. I'm your host Christine Alexis, and I'll see you tomorrow. You guys can follow me at ornate Ariel on Instagram and Twitter and I'm going to be talking about the bachelor tomorrow on shared news. So check it out on YouTube / shared news guys. I might feel you can find me everywhere at Mike feeling. I'm pumped to be back here tomorrow with you two and Jeff until then four times four times in a windmill. Maybe not a bathroom. We still don't know definitely did not have a bathroom guys. I found her Keven undergaro and me Maria Menounos would like to thank you for Tuning in to AfterBuzz TV remember, we're not just the first where the biggest in the world are were the only destination for all your favorite TV shows whatever your grave we've got it. So go to after those tv.com and check out our lineup buzz you later views expressed herein are those of the host only do not necessarily reflect the views of AfterBuzz TV or its owners of

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Hey, hey happy to be here with you. I am your host Ali gonna Bradford and I have two amazing people next to me. So let's say hello. Hello. I am Olivia Tibor totally. Hello everybody. I am Matt Maher and karolina is in the future right now, but she'll be back with us in the present next week maybe which is still a future, but if you get but it's not so beautiful Morty Morty never My mind sorry. All right, my lovely co-host at home, you know the deal and if not and this is your very first time here allow me to explain see this a data table belongs to you. You are co-hosting the show with us. So if you're watching live jump in to the chat, hashtag abc-tv arrow on everything social media and let's talk. Now. The first thing we're going to do is start with hashtag who I love to hate. Yes. I'm loving that. Oh, no, no, no laughing. I'm not laughing. I'm fine. I'm scared. That was close. So Chris is brand-new to you. Who is the actor that did such an amazing job as an actor that you hate them so much because they're character is so terrible. So terrible. So terrible. I have mine you guys have yours we do. I'll be a gentle lady Matt you go ahead. I don't have it on you. Okay, I'll go first. Okay go first because I want to give a shout-out to the chat. You guys are amazing. I already saw like three who I am. Days, actually Matt took mine. So I'll start with blob blob said that she had Stephen Amell for not being in this episode. Okay, I think is abs for not making a cameo. I hate him too for not being in the show tonight, but we're talking about maybe that's it, you know spin-off time. Yeah, he's getting out but Matt said mine and well we talked about it earlier. The who I love to hate is the makeup artist for Felicity Smoak. Like Glue yeah, it look like when you're in kindergarten you take the Elmer's glue and they did like this they're like your wrinkle your forehead what's with the glue on and when it dries open your eyes that's exact Euro was and their car hair a little and like made us hydrate. I love Felicity newscaster Bob. I'm here for it. I love it. I really wish that I could they would make people look how they look really like like give her a wig that's like short like she put it in rollers in the night and then like she teeth didn't the morning like that. That she totally was like Mom here in mom jeans. I that would have been amazing, but they didn't I mean because like Dinah looks down. Let's frickin bait like a Crypt Keeper. Yeah, so great looks like yeah. Oh my God, they're just like and like everything else kind of change their voice is like if you notice they're changing the way they Speak a little bit. Yeah, not felicity's you. Like, I'm sorry. I'm just gonna crush. It did a little bit. She was like a little bit more soft spoken. She was against that's true. She is my daughter or whatever. She said she was a little bit more soft snow is still very much Felicity. Yeah, Mom. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Did you come over the are sir? Shall I go God damn it. No, I was talking about Felicity. So yeah you go ahead. Okay, so my hashtag who I love to hate is Renee because I just want to slap some common sense into him like you were a vigilante for how many years of your life and you just have someone like totally pull. One over on you. Wow, and not even just pull one over but like gung ho to the point where I thought maybe he was getting paid off. Yeah. Well a lot of people in the chat agree with you Chris says Rene as well and fantastic says Renee as well. So the chat agrees with you. Does anybody say black star? Because that's who I love to hate summer. Yeah. I'm like, I don't know. It's like, you know, you get upset when your parents when you find out that your you know, your dad drank too much Strawberry Hill and high school. And now you have another sibling like like in a bad way, but this is like you have a brother like your mother was trying to save the city literally like be a hero and you're like wait, I just wanted love and so she redeemed herself by the amazing fight. Yeah, and she had the Best lines of the whole show so don't get me wrong. I love the character but I just was a little bit like come on snap out of it. I was like calm down a little. Yeah. Dr. Phil was here. He'd be like chill right here, but it hurts you brought her up because I do want to talk about her first but in her defense, the only thing she knows is Mom Nyssa and the woods. Yeah. Do you mean like so all she has is her mom, so that's all she's holding onto so as far as throwing a tantrum like she doesn't know anything else. She has not been properly socialized she To screw all y'all so she hasn't been around anything. Of course. She's like me me first. Yeah. Hello and she thinks she's an only child. Yeah. She's never read Lord of the Flies. She didn't know it could be worse right could be waiting. Remember we read lord of flies. You like lucky be an Island right now. I'm like fighting for but that's a whole different show but speaking of thali I really like the whole sister wife thing that we saw again. Yes with the felicity's this. Want to be on the show ever? Yes. Yes using a really great Christmas movie on one of those Hallmark Channel's look it up. I love her. Yeah. Yeah. I hope she wasn't with Lori Loughlin production. It's me. It's a it's my body. And but it's that was so Gago dot Wonder Woman Like with trainers a kid and literally like she comes up and she's like the yeah. I'm an adult. I cleaned out a little bit inside because you know, I'm a sucker for that and I loved it. Yeah, and I just want this all the time because last week we were wondering where like who trained her to be as like Archer and we're like had to be one of the one of those people in the moon. I saw this I was like, yeah, of course it was yeah, but I loved it. Okay. So my fate thinking is like my favorite part of the show, but when they even started the episode and she was like two feet tall and she was doing handstands. You're all so cute. Where did they find this child actor? I love her. She was so cute. Yes. I just squeezed her. Yes and by her she was adorable. Yeah. Yes. Anyway, that's all I just wanted to make sure we touched upon that first because I was like my favorite. I love seeing little girls like you should as a little girl teacher girl had a fight just make did it wasn't just one more time talking to about this before but we thought it was a good episode. Yeah, even though we were all not on board with the whole flash-forward thing, right? I feel like we all kind of appreciated this everything. I think it was Stephen Stars read on Twitter and Stephen was like y'all have dog the flash-forwards, but you're going to eat your words tonight. Okay. You're right. You're right. You're right. You're right. I got you. Okay, okay for those around the podcast we got mad given some I don't know like baby shark hands with his like got you but I will say this I think the in why it was so likable we were talking about this before we went on air is the fact that it follows the exact same format as arrow in the present. Do you know any mean like it's not like giving us all these weird baby clues for like 3 seconds or 30 seconds and you're like, what is that even fit in? Okay. Somebody dies. Okay. Great. Where is this is like thank you for answering some questions of ours, but at the same time it's like watching now instead of Oliver. We have Mia doing all these great things which added more questions. We have more answers right here. That's the choreography with her as an actress, uh, amazing got the fights. I have was watching this and even thought well, this did feel very much like a spin-off episode. Yeah and Stephen Amell even tweeted like you're I think he tweeted last week like y'all are going to love this episode of handing over the reins to her which is super gracious, but it fell either like a spin-off or even thought I was kind of like I would it be I think I almost would be more interested in the flash-forwards like if like episode wanted to season had started Started like what if like the whole season was a Flash Forward in the flashbacks were like present-day like Christy. It would have just been more it took him a while to get here, but I'm a little more interested, but I'm still in like wait. So we've got a daughter in the future a sister in the present. I don't know how all of these are going to yeah into a storyline and then also because I'm a nerd and I've read stuff like comic books right? I'm like, how is this going to work and in crisis on Arts which is going to happen next fall, right and everybody knows probably Oliver everybody feels like Oliver's go and die, right so but maybe not do you think we're going to see all of her in any of the flash-forwards? Nah, I don't know. He's I mean they made it seem like she already done but I mean we're already doing their prediction about that. Mama prediction is yet. Okay huddle pirate Productions agrees with you. He says that the he would agree it for a spin off show that would be awesome, which I agree. I think the other people are already doing that but But before we get too deep diving on there, too, I just want to say I get so excited to read the chat and everybody in here. I love I love you guys and I you ladies are you whatever I don't want to put pronouns. I love you people. So do some shout outs. I've installed a jean girl. 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Wow, how'd it go? Wow, okay, and you can follow who cares where you can follow me. All right, let's jump in. Okay, wait before we even so no just gave us the best news ever. Okay. So the young Mia was actually James band Ford's daughter. Of course. She is. Of course. I love him even more. Yeah, I guess a couple seasons ago. So check him out. He came on. It was be a sky be super nice guy. He's actually the one that referred. Me to jam, which you go to chew, but that's where I've done a lot of my training to so let's look what we love you. Super cool. Thank you for the news Ivan speaking of me at though before we get into the next topic. I sort of have another hashtag who I love to hang. Okay, and it's so bad. Okay, so I'm just gonna put it out there. Like I would love to be on this show. That would be my Ultimate Dream. So casting directors. Please don't hate me because I love you so much, but I gotta call you out because we've done it before but it just because I had a whole episode of Staring at Zoe. It just really upset me that Zoe is a little white girl in the beginning or maybe she's got some Latina and rutina, but she's she's straight hair Fair complected and now in the future she's curly hair. Yes, like afro-cuban very let Tina beautiful beautiful great actress, but I like is you can't get that what they could have tried a little harder to make them the same well in the show's to swallow has That long but it really is amazing how much more aware people are getting of diversity? Yeah, definitely. So probably they thought let's make it more diverse. Yeah, they're like, oh she looks more like they're like, oh no, her hair was pin straight as a child. Yeah 10 straight and it's like really curly and not like I gotta turn up. It's like a natural. Yeah. Yeah like you could have don't at least or how does train her hair guy? Yeah. Yeah everyone agrees with you. Ivan Soto puddle pirate they're saying yeah, but yeah, yes, it really is. Okay. Alright, let's talk about William just a little bit because I wanted a see ya. Yes. He is. I love his relationship though. I love it like with like black star. Yes. Do you you love me like you care about me. I'm like, they're so cute together. I think they're going to be best friends and I love it. Yes, I do like that. We're seeing this kind of How long and that's all over there? I'm I like that we're seeing this kind of sibling kind of rivalry for them and they both I mean he did too, but I just it's nice to see people that are main parts of the show not taking everything. So seriously, uh-huh, and I think that's something we kind of been missing and are all right, especially now that Curtis is gone, right? Yeah. So I just and what why it's smart why I just realized I'm talking about why it connects with me. So much is because felicity's is Mom. Yeah, like yes, and you can tell he was raised by Felicity, right and you get that right and the Felicity William relationship also reminded me of the echo column echo, echo echo and Felicity relationship when they were together like you're both nerding out of time and I was like that. Oh, yeah. Well, yeah when when Mia says like, oh great. There's two. Yes. She said that I was like reminds me of back in the day. So but it's nice. So too because Mia is very much Oliver and William is very much Felicity. Even though William is not Birth by birth. Yeah her son. They did spend that time together and she's the one that nourished his not nourished him. But like when Oliver was busy being mayor she took the time to help them with homework again. Really? Yeah, I guess nourish his passion for for math or whatever the case may be. It's just nice to see the two of them like that. Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, I thought it was great. I like this. We got to see kind of I thought they did a really good job this episode of obviously, we got to see how much of a badass Mia is what those really truly incredible Barefoot fight scenes half of shoe at one point and then it's back and 30 seconds later. We want to talk about And then I really felt and then kind of started introduce Connor more little bit but and but also to I love that like I thought it was funny that we've always seen so much of Arrow of like it'll be Felicity or Diana or some girl who kind of like sweet-talks the guy into like getting the info and we he was totally like flirting with this guy just to get what and I was like, well, that's something I never thought I'd see on air. Oh, yeah, but it was funny. Yeah, I thought okay, so you said still me Carl words three words. Okay, you said sibling rivalry and I feel like the Rivalry was more so on her and verses on Williams in because he was like cool like yeah, we're gonna get to know each other and I have a sister whereas Mia just like I don't know like every time it seems like every time Felicity had a moment with William or William saw Things From felicity's perspective. Yeah. She's like she was so grumpy the All time. However, though how messed up is it that she walked into her mom's secret lair and there's a screensaver of her and William and his screensaver of I think Oliver. I'm like, where am I mom I can at least be sure to dating photo. That's true. I could see I could see the anger in that but she was she was the whole time just being so grumpy with her mom and not understanding any point that she was just trying to save the world can see the break from her children if you kids not going to school and you're staying around all the time. Sometimes you get sick of your kids. Yeah, my she To go in a room and not see her daughter. It's fine work on her. Don't touch her. Don't come on this show Olivia. I mean I smoke pot this episode like what has happened. We really didn't but I wear are easy. I swear we now nothing is your easy like saying you're not easy. So what's going on? Anyway, they're having their there chatting amongst themselves. Welcome. I loved it and Connor Hawke is hard. Yes, I'm missing one see from he's got a familiar face my dreams Ivan soda. Where's he from? Find out Ivan. My husband is everything. Okay, but did we realize that Connor Hawke was in a relationship with Mia prior to this episode. Is it likely that we're obviously linked and off for it. Yeah. Yeah, I loved every moment of it. Yeah, but I don't think we knew right. Well, I do like Connors moment where he tried to explain what he there was the fighters. Wow. Wow, there was that. Yeah happened. There was the Spider-Man reference. I gotta break. That was great. The I don't read comic books. I know and I was like, that's funny but I loved the speech that he gave her because he had the very mature aspect. And again the maturity probably comes. I'm experiencing life, which she has not that's but him saying, you know, you have to share your parents when their Heroes. Unfortunately, you do have to take a step back. And yes, of course instinctively us as children want all the time with our parents. But if you can see the Grandeur picture and the amazing things that they're doing and what a great person it takes to be able to take on that responsibility. Then you can be a little bit more understanding. Yeah, and he is also significantly older than her, you know, that's probably why his wisdom he has more wisdom if you he looks he doesn't well, he was like a teenager. Major but almost a teenager by the time when she was born Connor Hawke Oh, I thought you're talking. I'm sorry. I thought you talking about William. No. No, but you do bring up a good point that William does not look that much older exactly that again Felicity had glue on her face. So I mean, oh, yeah, because whoa, yeah because William probably is about was like in Middle School. Okay. Well, hold on somebody do math because I'm not going to literally the year is 2040, right so we know will MS-13. Yeah, right - so maybe 14 13 right 13. Let's just say well you missed 13. So he's thirteen fourteen 2019 someone do math. But y'all tell us in the chat like how William should be? Yeah, and because I don't want to bring up my bed. Not a good host to just bring up my phone and stuff, but we should talk about Connor Hawke also, where is JJ? That's what I said. Well first I was like, where's the daughter and they're like remember it's not the dog. Ah towards the Sun but where is JJ that actually is going to be my prediction. I think he's sorry. You think I think we're going to see JJ. You think I think my friend to be a villain? I think we're going to which was very much parallel John diggle's relationship with his brother. If we don't remember from season 3 melee melee in the chat says, I think Barry and Nora may have EFT with diggle's kids situation. So maybe it's another Berry darn that guy again. It would be for the third time second time now. I don't think that'll hey. Well he's adopted. Well, we know that Connor Hawke is adopted. So I feel like something happened to JJ prior for diggle and Lyla to want to adopt unless they're like, hey, let's expand our family. This dude's in jail his poor kid, maybe Connors father was actually Giggles brother may be found that again. It's he's the tiger the Bronze Tiger Center because he went into the gym. I love the Bronze Tiger. Oh, this is what we talked about last week. Oh that makes so much more sense. Now wish I I've been on the show. I was like who the hell are these people? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Remember we saw him come into the jail. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Anyway, we have we have ages. Yay. So William is in his early 30s and me I would be 21. Thank you. Black magic. Yeah. Oh, I think she looks like 1920 and he looks like he could be in his early 30s. Do you think yeah, I thought he looked like a baby. No, how old is that actors? Some of these? I thought he was like mid-twenties is what I I think the most I'm alone really quick. I do want to talk about Roy not be he was like a huge topic of this episode, but it was just nice to see a little bit more of him and they talked about bringing him into the present coming in upcoming episodes not to get into particular territory, but I'm just excited to see more of that particular actor. Yeah. I do I like him his Instagrams thirsty, but I still would watch it. So thirsty it's okay. So he's really good looking dude. Like we're gonna see some peas but he is out of everyone they did the best job of Aging him. Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of like something it's gonna make these are not me. It's like either mangled or glue and then it's like Roy and I like kind of okay. Wait, okay with Roy all they did was they added some paint into his hair to make him great like he's not wearing a wig so I'm really confused. Why does it rain? Have the to pay and why didn't they just like maybe they did try his hair. So thick know he's got a buzz to head his that's why you know what it would have been amazing. Although they have to go back forth. But that's y'all just said that exactly yes a little chat said Roy went off on that cop. Why did he do that? Remember you like beating Q? Thank you anger management issues much. It was Ivan. Hi. I don't know. I don't know why he beat him. I don't. ain't there I thought they were the one thing that didn't confuse me, but I thought Okay, we're getting a clear picture of like where like these like young arrows are going off. It's like Young Avengers using that term or Teen Titans, whatever you want to call them but we don't kind of know like we don't know fully what's going on with all the adults. I feel like as far as like their motives like I agree Dinah's the only one where I feel like, okay, we get her. She liked the character of Dinah now makes sense with the police like I want to renewed my name. Mike it actually makes sense. Where where she is now, where's Felicity were like what the heck Renee? I don't know. He's all over the place. I am so really quick though. I want to say I'm so mad at him. I know he did it as a cover but his speech about yeah, you know Dead or Alive these three year on the run and blah blah blah knows like really dead or alive. Please be alive and he could've been like two million. Yeah, that'd be the way it was a speech necessary. Four dollars and Alive, please. Yeah. Yeah, then he would have they would have killed him who they would have said you you clearly are not on the right. Lydia is easy in a bad light. No, but yeah, no, I yeah, yeah, I agree. I mean it's just so weird because we're Nae is so like the balloon July Auntie's are like the hope of Star City. And so we need a not even know why he's it made such a reverse on that right? Because he was always the one like fighting to be that person like when everyone else is ready to give up. He's like no like remember who you are and then his reason for coming back he can't even say he just kind of walked back in he was like you were right. Yeah you ride. I gonna do it tonight. All right wrong again shit Mad Dog don't know he was so smart. Yeah, it just literally like I thought really there wasn't like a big thing of like him like, you know having to say something, you know, like nothing nothing before we continue one of the ways we keep all these shows for you free. 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I'm so drunk right now on love for y'all. Okay. Okay now I've been 11 years. Okay. All right. Well, I do like we covered by for the most part everything. It was a very gay DD way to do it over here over there. But yeah, I think but we did I mean everything else in the chat. We think we got a man at the end. Yeah. The nice girls like finale of her. Yeah them getting the little Rubik's Cube thing. Yeah, that means great. Yes think that the theme panel shouldn't have shoes and she did have to choose but the fact that it's kind of in the dark he didn't see it was really really yeah, I'm assuming James Beard waiting for yeah. Yeah. Yeah so great episode, but then we see the preview next week and I'm like I'm supposed to point out sky, we gotta go back to this and the sister and get it up. And so I'm yeah, I'm kind of digging the flash-forwards and I kind of wish we could stay in them. I don't never thought I would say and my just like kind of Stephen Amell. Yes to the flash point. I kind of enjoy and then call it a day. Hello. I kind of feel like dude. No, you're like that's the case. I'd be like get rid of her name. Sorry. Well, I Grenades come I think Renee's look we all we've already know they're closing out the season next year that's 10 episodes. They've got to fit that in with like Infinite Crisis, but it doesn't start dying, right but this is already been written. Like we only have a like what handful more of episodes before the season finale. So it's not like they're going to go back and be like, hold on guys. Let's rewrite it because at this point they're probably rapping on shooting if not have wrapped. Yeah, so did they dropped? Yeah, but soon okay, like in a week or two, okay. Okay, so they could change some stuff. Maybe. Yeah, maybe I don't feel like I feel like some people going to die than give this season. Yeah, but for sure, maybe that's because next season. Yeah. Well, why don't we get into archers Ali since we're starting to talk about the future. Okay. Oh, yeah, that's me. Wait a second. So yeah, it's just a little quick bit about how the first comic when we saw. Narrow, the first time was in more fun Comics number 73 in November of 1941. Wow. So this is when we first saw the Green Arrow and then Arrow the TV show premiered in October of 2012. And this is the first time we saw arrow on TV. So, I don't know it was just like a fun little comparison of the first time you saw both of them and they both Premiere in the winter. So it seems like they like to be quite the fall October. They like to be cold. Awesome. So let's get into it. Let's get into the news and gossip Shelly. No, I don't wanna be probably follow my goodness. It was Winter. We're good. We're good. There's a half-naked man on TV. Oh, I'm here. Okay, so, let me see. Gentlemen, those of you who are wrestling fans. You know who this is with the same time if he follows Stephen Amell, I'm sure you heard about the recent controversy that there was a little bit of a Twitter feud between David Bautista who is turned an actor and I Stephen Amell, he's Drax conqueror Guardians City met him a little while ago gave him nothing but praise so he was really great really gracious eccentric cetera. So I think he probably would have been a little off-put by this one. I would have been too. But anyway, so basically Stephen Amell tweeted did that he just found wait is this one just landed and found out about at Dave Batista and Triple H really pumped for the matter. Also don't want to see celebrity angle detract from the awesome wrestling card. Well Dave took that as a blow to him and he said considering that celebrity could actually F someone up and that celebrity is a former six time heavyweight champ and that celebrity is here because he loves it. Maybe it just adds to the card maybe and He was like, whoa. Hey, I went out of my way to introduce myself to you in Atlanta at a comic convention. So I could tell you that I'm a big fan of yours and I am you couldn't have been more pleasant. My tweet was meant to poke fun at me clearly wasn't funny. Please. Don't kill me. Yeah, I mean, I think Dave needs to not take so much HG. Oh, yeah. Why don't we just calm down in trouble on Twitter those right? Well, it is Mel is blunt. But in that case, I think Stephen was fire. Calm down. Okay. Yes. Okay. So this is just a fun. Picture of on David Ramses Twitter that I picked up and I think I just did just because I was like, oh it's no I think I just like the fact that Roy was in there. There's probably a better reason for that. But I think he directed that episode right to I think in that way if he's been directing more and more. Yes. Okay. So going into this next one. So Beth Schwartz has just signed a deal saying that she's going to be writing just a little bit longer with the company. So she's like solidified for the next few years with the WB and I just Wanted to let you guys see sorry formerly the WB now the CW that's Warner Brothers guys. So I just wanted to give a shout out to her. And then also did you guys see last year that John Barrowman was on a TV show but it's not for the US. That's why I didn't hear about it. But basically he was on the show. He sprained his ankle like it was a big deal, but just a little quote that he was talking about because they went into like the rainforest in the jungle and they were out there fending for themselves. And so he says you're pooping in a bucket you're showering in a waterfall in your underwear and your brushing your teeth while someone is going to the bathroom. You have to get over a lot of stuff immediately and I was like, what show is that? That's crazy. It was I forgot what it is. But you know also to for people that watch because I knew John Bowman already from Bodrum like musical theater, but also from BBC America if you have not watched Torchwood, that is an amazing amazing like really like amazing show and that's I think was one of the That pig make them super famous in Britain. So I'm glad you mentioned musical theater because he's actually going to be going back and Concepts. Yes, so you seen bob la sorry blah blah blah. I forgive me. It's the fabulous tour which is going to continue July 3rd in Cardiff and will also play in dates in Edinburgh, Nottingham Birmingham and more. So if you are in the UK area go check him out. He said that it's been 30 years. Since his West End debut in anything goes so and He-Man. I want to go to Comic-Con and see his show its cover. Yes, and when he is he's wearing the outfit t-shirt. That's why I was like, oh my God, I couldn't love you more. I couldn't love you more he is. So he is what we I don't want to say it's cuss word, but it's hmm pooping glitter gay just like me and I love it. I just love the fact love he's okay. He's first lady's face. It's amazing. He's funny. He stands up for what he believes in but at the same time I would have never known not that it matters, but I would never have known that he was so Fierce and Fabulous. Yeah, because when he was like the Dark Archer, he's stronger. He's a great actor. Yeah, because you know, like I can never do that role. I kind of sounds like a purse falls out of my mouth and I guess I'm not going to change that. That's who I am first. But he's a really really good actor and also his husband's really cute to just see the thing on Update where he did a Facebook live like two years ago, and he was in the hot tub talking and his boyfriend didn't know there any popped up in his boyfriend was naked and he apparently is pretty well endowed and it's like blew up. Are you saying he's mortified? It's a he was like David David. It was so funny. Oh my God. All right. So these are just one pictures from Colton Haynes IGG first thirsty. Give it this has to be from a roll. I'm thinking I'm dehydrated. Yeah good. And this one I just thought was really funny because Just just wrap this amazing shoot and I couldn't wait to share it with y'all. I've made some incredible gains over the past few days honestly tjf so I can celebrate. I don't like you're so stupid for that. That's hilarious. And then I thought this one was even funnier. If you're listening to the podcast. It's three girls in bathing suits but photoshopped in under all that we've is Colton Steven and David Ramsey and awesome. That is hilarious. And I love that he can laugh at himself and do stuff like that. And then this last one is just a shout out that I thought was really Really cool, if you're listening on the podcast is somebody who is a big fan and Colton gave out a shout out because this person is dressed in the full arsenal gear. So it says shout out to at spider Hazard for doing the best Arsenal cosplay I've ever seen thanks for the support and love buddy sending a massive hug and I just think that's so cool that when you can play something on TV and you inspire people that much that they look up to you and they want to dress up like you especially kids want to be like you got his so Powerful so powerful and you know it give people should be careful with and royally know Ali Khan wants to do with her life. Seriously Roy is returning in episode 20 into the real not the flash-forwards. But until the present day. Okay, right. Here we go. So that's all we got for news and gossip. Let's get into our prediction prediction your troubles TV predictions. If you are brand-new, this is your time to give us your predictions in the chat while we say ours now. Don't forget we have a slight DeLay So that means start typing now. Now now go now go now go episode is all about Amico finding out what's going to happen with her and the or not in the future but like Oliver's obviously going to find out that she's not so trustworthy. I still think Oliver is going to be like, let's give her the benefit of the doubt. She's probably really good or we can make her good. Yeah, I mean black star is so freaking awesome. I'm like really and we go like black star would kick your butt Amica. Making bad girl good again. It's like so over playing a little that's a little over plate. We've done it so many times. Yeah, I don't think she's becoming good. I think this episode was so good. And I don't care about it me--come before I was gonna be going over it. That's not a prediction. Sorry my predictions JJ that I'm going to stick with that prediction. We are going to see JJ diggle. It's going to happen. My prediction is I got to think of one. Well, I'm just going to piggyback on that and we started saying earlier. I predict that JJ is going to have gone. On Rogue when we do see him. He's no longer a nice. Okay, and I also predict that we are going to get a spin-off even if it's not 2040 like Star City 2040. I think that there's so much room and I think this episode is probably going to get so much amazing feedback that it's going to make producers be like should we do black star show? Well, yes. Yes When They seized DC is literally starting online network is so there's still oh, yeah. Yeah, they have some height and know they have it Titans they're doing Up. There are in episodes of Young Justice on there like the animated. So dirty happen. Yeah, I think they did the birds of prey going in there. He gets his streaming very so it could go into that today. My prediction is we don't see Stephen Amell in the future. I think he's already dead Okay. Okay. So there are a lot of predictions from you guys puddle pirate says I predict that we will see how and why diggle adopts Connor. Okay, Matt Shamel sham Lo says, I predict felicity's invention in present days going to be the demise of Ali and he's trying to save the city to redeem herself. Great Billie Jean girl. I predict that Oliver is going to have a hard time believing Laurel that need to bring that up. That Amico is not so good. Yes. Okay blob. I predict that Renee's going to split that with Team arrow and get bitter towards the Vigilantes because of Amico and that's why he's bad now. Okay. Okay. Okay, Ivan Soto is Oliver and Laurel will finally have many scenes together. Okay, that's all. I'm gonna get some from Amico. Yeah, and that's why he's gonna be so wrong, but he can't buy into the whole. She's about to have sex on the show you all this video. Wow, all we had was that one good philosophy and Oliver. No one else. It's Oliver and diggle is time. There you go. All right guys, we have an amazing time with you. Thank you so much. Have you join us live if you were not able to know big. We totally get it so you can leave comments. Below you can find us again on social media, please and we can start a conversation there. So find me at yours. Truly Ali Kona underscores in between. I'm mainly on Instagram. You can tweet me include me. I'll try to find you but find me on Instagram and then also follow these great guys. Yeah. I'm at Olivia. You were totally I had so much fun. Yeah. I'll be in the chat all the rest of the night and in the comment. She's so good at that. You can find me on Matt Maher to teach you are you can find me at uneasy at We map the map our duties to ours. We love you guys. Yes. We'll see you next week. Goodbye. Our founder Keven undergaro and me Maria Menounos would like to thank you for tuning in to AfterBuzz TV. 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 This. Episode. Was. So. Great. And our panel was jazzed up! We are in Star City 2040, and it’s all about Blackstar! Not only was Alikona freaking out about the great fight scenes, Matt was drooling over Conner, and Olivia...well...you just have to see what Olivia said. It’s Arrow in 2040, and we are here for it and hoping for a spin off! ABOUT ARROW: Arrow is an American television series developed by writer/producers Greg Berlanti, Marc Guggenheim, and Andrew Kreisberg. It is based on the DC Comics character Green Arrow, a costumed crime-fighter who was created by Mort Weisinger and George Papp. It premiered in North America on The CW on October 10, 2012, with international broadcasting taking place in late 2012. The series follows billionaire playboy Oliver Queen, portrayed by Stephen Amell, who, after five years of being stranded on a hostile island, returns home to fight crime and corruption as a secret vigilante whose weapon of choice is a bow and arrow. Unlike in the comic books, Oliver does not go by the alias "Green Arrow" in the television series. Arrow also features appearances by other DC Comics characters. The series takes a realistic look at the Green Arrow character, as well as other characters from the DC Comics universe. Although Oliver Queen/Green Arrow had been featured in the television series Smallville from 2006 to 2011, the producers decided to start clean and find a new actor (Amell) to portray the character. Arrow focuses on the humanity of Oliver Queen, and how his time on a presumably deserted island affected him. The creative team chose to illustrate that in the series by crafting flashback scenes to the island for almost every episode. The series is primarily filmed in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada. Arrow has received generally positive reviews from critics, and was the highest rated new series on the CW in past five years up to its release. The series averaged approximately 3.68 million viewers over the course of the first season, and has garnered multiple award nominations and three wins. To assist in promotion, a preview comic book was released before the television series began, while webisodes featuring a product tie-in with Bose were developed for the second season. The first season is available on DVD and Blu-ray in regions 1, 2 and 4 and a soundtrack of it also been released. The second season of Arrow premiered on October 9, 2013, and is available on DVD and Blu-ray in regions 1, 2 and 4 and two versions of a soundtrack of it also been released. On February 13, 2014, The CW renewed the series for a third season, which premiered on October 8, 2014. A spin-off series set in the same universe, titled The Flash, began airing on the CW on October 7, 2014.

No, I don't flip all I'll call you you call me. That's it. And I ain't no telephone. No, I'll tell him. Welcome, ladies and gentlemen. To both sides with DJ and honey the podcast that's what is on season finale. Yes. Thank you all for tuning in this long with us contributing and you know listening and liking us and following us and just overall just listen to everything that we have put out for your listening ears. You think you guys we are at a different location today. Is post Memorial Day weekend at this point we went and took our trip to Atlanta as we spoke about it on last couple episodes. We are here is in hotlanta. The the name of this episode is that for just that it was hot still hot from the day. We got here 95 degrees and up 90 and up the weather is sickening, but we've had Had so much fun in the man can't even say anything about how hard it's been we did another trip. You had a good one. Yeah. This is a nice nice lot of things is going on since you guys have last heard from us, of course, the finals are set. Yes, maybe maybe a files are sent my team was going to be there. Anyway, that's not a big bet. You took well either way I said it. Warriors versus the Raptors Raptors got home court. Do I have to go home for I think I'd think they do have home court if the Raptors have home court, but Kawhi Leonard has been a beast. He is definitely top two in the league. I'm going to Hawaii believer of Kauai had enough rest time to actually get what he's gone with the Louisiana as far as like sitting out the season. Yeah. I'm not saying why new he's been a beast quiet like somebody's old. Ed at the basketball court, it's you can check you just hitting Jays all day his moves as slow like everything like like like Hawaii is that guy who just finesse everything slowly and just kill you. He's killed or everybody's favorite superstars in haste as he did with LeBron did last year this year. Like I even peep that yeah. We did one year his first year in the East he did that. So I'm not I'm like, I'm about to jump on the quad band wagon before everybody else do believe. I hope you stay in the 6 because that's a whole country you get to carry. He's staying we have discussed as we keep on thing is certain players because it's free trade open market for trading and people leaving. He's one of those is going to stay he hasn't really like settled into Toronto if it's anything I didn't do shit. Settled into Toronto, but I think he will first and foremost. He complete the mission go to the east he dominated thus quietly dominated the whole season and playing like all 82 games, of course, but then you get to the playoffs and you playing like this. I don't know if he's going to stay up there Drake might be a little bit too much for him a shout out to my son Drake just jumping off his seat every chance. He get to just be a distraction Spike Lee moment. Yeah to everybody else. Who's playing this team? So his team gets to go to the finals. You'll already know every team that Drake roots for he did they don't win. So I'm room for Raptors. But like I said, they don't win. We are in Atlanta first and foremost. We had a wonderful flight. I slept I won't want it when I when I got on the flight flight coming the flight come get it half of it was some crazy turbulence in the beginning after that turbulence was over next thing. I remember is everybody clap. Years on slept all through the flight made it to 80 elseif. We get the rent to the rental. Everything is good. We got to land and it was just hot. Hi trusting with that the port that lead takes you off the plane. That's very important. Yeah, you don't get off at the clip but waiting I'm not reject was that you know, we go through the tunnel you getting off the airplane boo boy throat. Yeah. Um, it was it was definitely a heat that would hit you and wake your behind up like soon as we got off the plane, but nonetheless we had a great time. We've been here four to five Dave died Friday. We left we leaving we left on Tuesday about time you guys hear this we would have been left already. But um, but Atlanta has a lot to offer, you know, we as New Yorkers know. That is a lot of New York is here half of Atlanta is New York is up north somewhere. A lot of people's came down here and migrated to Atlanta. I got a big old house big old backyard. Yeah cost of living is good. It's is before I forget this shout out to my friends. They my boys their families both of them each of looked out for us while we've been in Atlanta really awesome. Yeah. Yes friends out to JT and Associates. Yeah, okay, definitely. Shout out to my boy Jermaine and his family and sister wonderful family. Everybody just welcomed us with open arms. Of course, we'll get into those things that we done through the weekend and all that stuff, but first, Party, we went to was like it started soon as we landed, right? Yeah duct work, which is a big nice international party. It's normally at all the Carnival's everywhere but this specific one I believe was the first one in Atlanta. It was a real slow in the beginning because it was hot. Everybody wasn't trying to come out take the party went from 2 to 8. It was a to date type of party and the party Friday soon as we landed we Showered up went out to that party was empty. It was so empty. We took a five-minute intermission walked outside. Came back in the party was full. Yeah just like that. So that was a great time. We had a good one there Atlantis was the name of the place. I mantis - mantis restaurant and I was that was a good spot. That was the only thing I think we did Friday it was it. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, that was that was more than enough for ya the sea like the heating drinking and stuff like it would definitely definitely like put you in your place really fast so you don't Really have to drink too much. No plenty of water, of course, but it was a good time to DJ was crazy. You guys are going to get pictures and videos all throughout the YouTube cut of episode - this one right here. Yeah. So you guys are going to see what we did all the things that we done if you guys are following us on Instagram and What's our Instagram name pulse? It's for DJ and honey podcast. Okay, because I know we took to underscore our yeah, you did. Yeah some I wanted something simple and I can't remember what I thought was simpler. So both sides with EJ only podcast. We've been putting up stories and you sides will see some pictures and my guys could follow up personal profiles as well. I don't even I know what you'll say. I don't know how to pronounce it, but I'm Minds is damn underscore Daniels. Fortune for as much as my Instagram me I don't good damn underscored Daniel yo, oh, yeah. Damn Daniel 0 4 2 4 and this is darn skin Angel it should be dark. It's dark skin. Dark skin the RNs KN D RN I did it for a reason. So because of my ID RK, I understand so you guys check out our Instagram you guys can see old stories and stuff like that. Of a limb to hopefully they're they're still up all the last couple of the most elaborate post some stuff the fun things that we did throughout the episode. Of course, this is our season finale the last time you guys get to hear from us for next, you know, couple of months going to be a minute. Yeah. So we just wanted to make sure we come check in with you guys. Let you guys know how our last vacation of the season is gone. I'm just going to thank a couple of people now I have a list No specific order. I'm going to thank a couple of people and every segment. So if you don't hear your name, you'll get you'll get called the next segment got a lot of names here. Just first and foremost. This is just for me personally in October. I took a trip to my school Lincoln University and I sat down one of my good friends Antonio leaks who is definitely been on the podcast and Storyteller. Tony was talking. Um, so Sports early in the season just want to thank him because he was definitely the person who pushed me to follow what I what I'm good at so shout out to him. Thank you to him. Shout out to Erica star you mention her plenty of times. You guys know who she is. Thank you to her. They get the Dalton Richards Dalton Elementary School, but my spiritual brother throughout this whole process and just period in life. Just want to thank those three people in general will continue to think people as this podcast go on right? I'll check them off. Just check off everybody. What other than that? This is her first time here in Atlanta. How you feeling? How you like it the camera can't hear you though. Why is it? Because the cameras should hear you. I know but, you know make the other than easy, please. Thank you. Has been really I mean anywhere else on New York. I do like all of Atlanta besides the heat is beautiful. The people here are nice. We met a lot of nice people here. The food was good. We didn't really I don't think it was anything a Lanta know right? We didn't get into like the southern foods or like the barbecue Foods or whatever but as far as like Foods we had it was good. It was one particular place that we went to we found Another Broken Egg and that's right. It was very breakfast, but he has a breakfast nook everybody's of the city a little bit more friendly little bit. They the food was just excellent. And you know we met who is this one of the Marquis waiting? Yeah were key workers bartender slash. Yeah everything you did everything but overall like, you know, it's a people come here. Some people come to stay some people come to visit some people get another way of living and then go back way come from that's one of the great things about Atlanta is like a portal of different people in and out. But yeah, I really like that a that Another Broken Egg spot was really really good. Excuse me. Ladies and gentlemen, if yeah, I've been drinking a lot and I'm trying to still come down, but I'm going to The better as I go on in this episode, I'm not sick or anything like that. It's just hot. It's hot but Another Broken Egg. Yeah, that was a great spot. We went to Strawberry mimosa, and they have some fried biscuits which are like Stand Out delicious. If you go there I think it's only three locations in Atlanta. It will show pictures of course of the food is thought you guys going to see a whole bunch of stuff throughout this video. But um, Their food their fight biscuits in particular were like to die for it's something that I you know, I mean we went there more than once and it's it's that side order. You know, you got a Red Lobster you get your cheddar biscuits. It's the cheddar biscuits of that spot. So make sure you guys check out Another Broken Egg and why someone so much off come inside I'll show you who's about to say something about your side to have your like I have borders. Yeah, so like we've been having a great time. We're actually staying at the Atlanta Perimeter Center. The Hilton everybody's been spectacular. You know, when you fly down south. Everybody is just a little bit Smiley ER little bit more happier. This is definitely a spot for you. You need to be down here, huh? Yeah, cuz I feel like New York takes away that beautiful smile that you hold on your face the most. Yeah because you've been down here boy. You can't even think you know, it's either one or two. Other people is going to either you know, you don't get these and gentlemen I'm talking about even when we had our disagreements or back and forth. She was smiling. So down here is definitely a peaceful atmosphere is beautiful. But yeah, it just adds to the cost of living and that stress. Well, a lot of people come down to Atlanta with their New York money. Of course, somebody comes down first hold down the Plant while somebody we heard the process what it comes down while the other person still working in New York. Bring that New York buchumi. You just paid a live cheap down here. But once you get down, there is definitely a adjustment but look you got a big old yard bigger house. You can enjoy your family time and everything like that, right? Yeah, but still I wouldn't mind it. But you know, it's the whole transition and getting adjusted. You know, the one thing I could get a Justice people because you know, you get up beautiful have a bad day and somebody else will say hello to your beautiful people. I mean it and then also, So we also went someplace where we didn't really go someplace but we checked out with you. It was like sort of like memory lane from for DJ when we went downtown. Let's get that in the next time because there's so much things. We did. I'm trying to I'm trying to keep that in order because that's one of the last things we did. So I'm going to write that down, but that was cool, too. We're going to take this big now. You guys hear from one of our sponsors? We'll take a break. We'll get right back into the rest of Atlanta. Thank you guys again for sticking around for 30 episodes because I don't even think I can stick around for another 30, but we appreciate y'all so much. This is both sides with DJ and honey. We'll be back after this ad. hi, this is Felicia for or both sides with DJ and honey. Hey you guys if you haven't heard about anchor it's the easiest way to make a podcast. Let me explain it's free this creation tools that allow you to record it and your podcast right from your phone or computer anchor will distribute a podcast for you. So it can be heard on Spotify Apple podcast and many more you can make money from your pockets with no minimum assistantship. It's everything you need to make. Make a podcast in one place download the free anchor app or go to Anchor dot f m-- to get started. Welcome back. Ladies and gentlemen. To both sides with DJ on a podcast we are back. We're still in hotlanta. We are in our hotel room. We of course always want to give you guys some different something original. We wanted to be outside but it can't be done. It's too hot in Atlanta right now is Memorial Day weekend? Even the day after it's burning up inside. You got to be in a car or inside. There's only two places you could be in Atlanta during day. We had our fair share of heat Saturday Memorial Day weekend. We tracked out this party some we found on our own just just you know, even brighten it up. You want to trap versus reggae it was a cool party. It was cool. Me and my baby was having so much fun man. But nonetheless, we always make it out the fire. Of course we had that was probably our only rough patch of this whole vacation. Honestly speaking at trap versus reggae. What was it was rough there the end got rough. I'm confused. Do you want me to put the couples therapy song on? If it wasn't absolutely rough, but I know we were there too long, you know, we started having you know, right, you know couples. We just have conversations sometimes one person feel like it was something like just right when you thought the old DJ was coming out. So there was like a whole Clash of the Titans there but the love and everything is getting better because we're able to um, Continue to talk things out have an understanding and continued have a great time. But that's things that couples do it doesn't matter where you are doesn't matter who you are people probably. Don't look at me, like look. I ain't going to have a podcast or not be honest. Bipolar side came out the other side. Don't you remember drastic would be me. You just said it's like how big was it wasn't a real. I'm just saying if there was any hiccups and the trip at least it was there as a trap versus reggae that's what a hiccup was. I mean, look, we're on a whole episode after we had a great time. Look, it's okay to talk about something like that is what you are bipolar. You every time I said it to you this check beside a laugh as well when we get home. I am having now, but I do not say I am bipolar but no I'm not. Okay. That's what I call you now everybody want to stop being a common stuff on Instagram to uh, you know, both sides of DJ honey and other side then my bad II sorry for calling you bipolar. That's that's my that's my trainee accent from being down here because we are here for a Lancer Carnevale weekend. In the eighth. This is my third time doing this isn't his first you had a great time. So one of the parties we did check out Saturday was Traverse reggae it was a rooftop party. I can't remember what his spot was called, but it's real tight. Who's Upstairs Downstairs lot of son upstairs along lines of the bar downstairs? So I'm not gonna lie that might have been least interesting party and went to like like not even talking about Honey's bipolar illness there. It was definitely just one of the we could but it was a good time. I was just what I wanted and reggae because you know, you come to Atlanta Carnival and you're going to hear a lot of Sokka. I love soap. I love soccer but I like to hear my Soca mix with some Reggae so That's what I was looking for. And I didn't hear the songs and tunes. I wanted to hear but traverses reggae was all right was cool. It was exactly what it is. Trap. You pretty much went to that after eating at Another Broken Egg. Okay. It was a local spot. We were drinking mimosas from 10 in the morning went out there. So, you know liquor like a again Helen. Yeah. It's a puzzle that could took is losing jingling, you know overall heavy was just Combination of the Heat and look after the mimosas you wanted to fight me after the Johnny you love me. So I think I'm gonna just start buying you a certain liquor. I'm like straight looking down at the man what else so after chiverses reggae that was the night of game six. Correct Drake vs. Um Drake vs. Milwaukee Raptors versus the books who I close it out with beautiful. I know we talked about it already. I just want to touch on it again. It's okay. It was a good time and went right into it. Oh my God, right see he's still recovering and I'm the one who's like he's still what's what's what's what's what's crazy to me is that I'm the one with the notes. Yeah. We'll see how much before we went to trap Museum right now. That is really really cool to lie. People in there that line was wrapped around the corner like he's going to the board we skip line we skip the line you could pay to skip the line. We work hard to do that anyway in Atlanta. He's been like a little bit like Mission some of the stuff that we went to was free admission for some stuff. You do have to pay that was one of them and it's small but all the continent they had in it is nothing but rap artist and it's so worth going to see they also had what the they had a lot of guys gonna get some pictures of stuff to that was one of my highlights of the trip. A pie as you're talking about it like my eyes is like no because we had a great time just walking through them and just seeing the different the the different what they called trap lifestyle that they had on display the the Colt 45 and the trap table had all the drugs and stuff like that. Yeah. I had his own he donated to the museum. So everybody know whoa, everybody go there for the pink car for The two genes are pretty girls love trap car. So that's the last thing we saw but before we got there, let me see him do it. It was so much. They had like jail cells where you can tag up on the wall. Like it's it's something and add a bar. They had a bar that a museum that had a bar like full bar. So you could chill in the Trap Museum. They playing trap music all day Ross playing TI playing chains playing all of those like like like you walked There you get that Vibe. It was too hot to stay on that line. But we finally did make it over to the pink car, which is probably the biggest display in there and it has like a line to go take a picture at the pink car. Now. We wait at least 15 minutes before to take a picture. So my lady over here she's not going to wait 15 minutes and do anything regular if you guys following us on Instagram. You might have saw hurt working on two chains car and got us kicked right out the museum it. Last displayed last year so they didn't have it problem with telling us to leave these. Yeah, we do guys. Saw what you saw. Thank you. You extended just stay on top of Two Chains. Enjoy. I enjoy recording it. What do you do when you go to a Japanese and see people just like regular like doing like some some of them who like they don't from jailhouse poses. Some of them just don't read other posts. They had the barbershop chair. They have like anything that reminds you imagine a hood and yeah, absolutely. It was beautiful like that. That was cool. I like that music because it was not about walking through those long museums like New York naturally. I didn't know they had a Young Jeezy Snowman and are mailed. It works the barracks Humphreys work. I'll call it for the listeners who don't want to hear it every overly and the bricks of the work by the Snowman and that was that was actually whilst. I everything was fake. But you know, I'm saying like they gave you the mean like that that feeling of being in a truck you walked in on T was sitting on the couch watching TV, she watching Richard Pryor all the contents of things in the trap house. Like this was a good time. I like I guess coming. This is what did two rings. Yeah. She was just yeah add the code for that all the keywords the greedy, right? Yeah after you paid and went through the the Atlanta Bodega, I guess that's what you would see on T sitting on the couch with nothing but drugs on the table watching watching Richard Pryor and huh. What's the call the gown and guns and gangs and Bonnie grandma? That's great time at so that fight last episode of the Season continued to shout out. Everybody who is definitely put the hand in this you want to say some names baby and Draya Michele Andre Andre show mister mister rickets. Yep, mr. And mrs. Bird. Thank God of all Odin LG and you know gonzalvez Andy Davis. Yeah, you know messing up the last things but yeah, I don't know why I gave you this. This list to look at numbers gonna read your email. That's crazy. I just want to thank Jasmine McGriff go. I don't know you guys remember her Brian Scott toasty and Dennis you guys thank you as well for your contributions on to the both sides with DJ honey podcast this season, we will continue to thank the wonderful people who is definitely um contributed featured and idea. Shout out to all you guys who stay Listen instead. He listened to all the feedback and everything is great. We're definitely definitely gonna take this time off to rebuild and send you guys a better second season because honey is working hard game guys. She gonna be tight and I know she's working her game because you always get better as time goes by I don't want to stay the same. I don't want to get worse. I always want to get better. We're gonna jump into this ad. Yeah, just both sides with DJ and honey podcast. We're in hotlanta will be right back. What's going on everybody? My name is Will Dennis senior associate at KPMG and co-owner Genco apparel. You are listening to the both sides podcast with DJing, honey. On Spotify you can listen to all your favorite artists and podcasts in one place for free. You don't even need a premium account Spotify has a huge catalogue of podcasts on every topic including the one you listening to right now on Spotify. You can follow your favorite podcast. So you never miss an episode premium users can download episodes to listen to offline wherever you are easily share what you're listening to with your friends on Instagram if you haven't done so already be sure to download the Spotify app and search for both sides with DJ honey podcast on spot. Fly or browse the podcast in the your library tab. Also, make sure to follow me. So you never miss an episode of both sides with DJ and honey podcast. Welcome back ladies and gentlemen to both sides with DJ and hunting podcast. This is your season finale. I'm GJ and honey. I'm GJ that sound like like like like I can't talk. I'm going to tell you guys now like I'm shocked I'm shocked. I have not sat down you really yeah. I'm shocked like one thing about mr. Deejay. Already and depends on what Slickers and I'll sister. I've had a great time. I'm not saying it but your recovery process because I keep saying it's a little slower than most Sunday Memorial Day weekend is speaking of recovery. We actually went to a breakfast party to start at 8:00 in the morning. We didn't get there are we got there like around 11 in the scorching HOT 95 all-inclusive Liquors free food is free. It was hot when I'm talking about hotlanta. That was the time you felt it. Like I said, I got great friends great brothers. My boy. Jermaine hooked us up got us in the VIP section so we could actually sit under some shade. Oh my God, because if he didn't do that I would have been dead. I would have made it throughout the rest of the night. But that was definitely the best party of the Weekend Atlanta breakfast party is definitely a not my first my third. Your first how did you enjoy that if I'm interviewing you? Yeah, like you keep saying. Yeah, because it's your first time in Atlanta. So you could talk on that. I can you know continue to give them easy as Som something I've done over and over before this is you like I was I was happy to see you in this atmosphere amongst people who just love to show love. That's it. I don't know. I think what just hit my mind is like there was a whole array of fool. For breakfast only at one thing like I don't know what I think one of the things that's funeral. Really. Yeah, but you it's like it just enough to get through and then you know to get with the drinking and of course if it's a carnival we can you eaten beer, um, sawfish and bacon sawfish exactly the other things like doubles they had on corn soup as the just they didn't cook it I didn't smell it was hot. I'm going to blame nobody but no the music was great. I won't blame anybody food on stand in front of no group with some jerk chicken that ties with that brunch breakfast party is amazing. I'd finally finally and every year I get there. I'm just like yo, I gotta go link up with Juve Mike Juve Mike, Juve Mike and oh, yeah. She she she she know who Juve Mike is based off of my experiences at the Carnival's. So like I seen him and he's the guy who gets on stage. Of course White Mike everybody gonna notice. Somebody named Juve Michaels White Jumping on stage and he just left a big girls. That's what he do and he got a lot of strength and all that and that's what he do. Sounds like yo this year, you know, let me go link with Juve mic. So I got like a nice little picture with Juve. Mike was nice of second to each at it for a second ask me where I'm from. He's a good dude, you know, you see a lot of these you see a lot of these um, Instagram type of not celebrities, but people who are well known on the social media platforms, do you? The managers regular cool people so shout out to Juve might but that party was nice. It was hot. It was nice. Soca music was on point. It was on point people was on em, you know, like, okay, so everybody know certainly not a big thing is to try to give you tons of stuff like that. That's the main tent what we use at the VIP. Like he said it had like the coolest station, but then you have the middle ground with they had open Tamara Hooks, but people didn't care after a while. Like everybody was outside attendance and everybody was sweating. It was just nicely good. I am no honestly getting a little more drunk like as you talk. This now like I'm feeling like I'm back at that party under the heat that I really feel like this was like the best setup because my third one that they've had like the stage was facing forward. Everybody had like a it was a dance platform kind of section where had cheated it was a little like sharing spots. Anyone called. That was a cool but not for nothing to fight. Nothing. Nothing everybody. Just wanted to grab on women and dance. That's a good time tonight. Yep, so, So that was cool. That was a breakfast party if you guys are ever in Atlanta. That's Sunday morning. You should check that out that from I think those tickets are always on Eventbrite. So but it was hot and it was hotlanta. You had a great time after that. You just came back. We slept it's not the recovery guitar. Like time was crazy. Yeah, no, no at night. Yeah at night. Yeah, we got in like three we ate food and we went straight to sleep and then we want to wear white with a little bit of embroidery if you want to call that because I don't get I understand people has a thing but there's a lot of people don't follow the things we saw. Well other colors red black this is my thing. How important is it to wear all white at these white parties now because I'm saying like we got a different time everything is about fashion everything. I feel like if you wear all white you ain't fashionable, but if you don't want something that ain't all right people, you know, I'm saying like, how do you make that decision? You too lady. I'ma let you talk on that. How do you make the decision whether you want well white or you go on with something else? It depends on what you have. I don't Aunt I think people should somewhat follow the theme or wherever they participating in I think when you go extreme and you were in different colors, I don't think that's fair because you're not paying homage to the people were actually asking you even if you don't have a white and there's a lot of people don't you have like a mixture could be like a something in between like there was one woman she I thought she had a white dress but it wasn't it was like white with black designs all over it. So, I mean a lot of people don't have well it's funny because a lot people don't have white in there cause I think people should have put The colors like when it comes to moments like this because a wide Affairs always a popular things is every n morial Labor Day every season. Everybody has something I mean, I wore white pants in a green shirt because I mean the part where white with a touch of emerald green eye, but I've never been the type to wear all white anyway, but I've been the type to wear white or white. Anyway, you know what I'm saying? Like it just depends I guess for what I'm seeing when we got there. I think I had a lot had to do with the venue. Not moshing up your clothes and dirty. No, but it's a big city. It's a party. You know, it doesn't matter. How important is it to wear white at all white affair. You guys are having a penguin on Egghead or something on Instagram. Let us know how you feeling that you get is voicemail. So check that out. That's where White. My one of my good friends is families event JT and Associates and if I'm not saying anything correctly, of course, I'll have everything corrected in the caption of this episode, but they do their white party all the time every Sunday night and they always warm up by the Saturday night of just hanging out in the house cookout Vibes food out Roti out carry out Johnny Walker out. We took their three hours in the morning still got up and went to that breakfast party and then did the wear white that day. So I always like coming down here and doing that Collective to me. I feel like that's how I gotta I gotta go chill by the crib Saturday with him. Wake up Sunday morning to custom in the morning Sunday. Why ain't they get there in time and they go to wear white to arrest them at at the bar. So shout out to my brother's Calvin Derek Fenton in the whole family, Texas family all of them. Very good people. I lived that's one thing Open Arms. Shout out to them. No couples therapy for the last episode, but you guys kind of got a little taste in the beginning this episode. But if you guys feel like letting us know, what was the favorite couples therapy hit us up on Instagram. Let us know we're gonna have a offseason like no other everybody's going to be just chilling. We're going to try interact with you guys as much as possible throughout the offseason, but we're very grateful for everything you guys contributed very humble as well another couple of thank yous. Yes, I got this one. I got everybody on the list. Nobody's being forgotten. We got thirty first game, which is 31st Dre and 31st low. So Polito, thank you to them for stopping by giving them into her music Madam. CFO. Felicia Forbes was just on last episode Jericho Carter did cousin Jericho cauda the cold or shine at fluid DJ Eddie Danny from Dr. Melissa Sue John and her daughter Olivia Lauren. You just want to thank you all for your contributions. Interviews in the both sides with DJ honey podcast has been great never got bad feedback from an interview. So we just thank you guys for all you've done. We're going to take one more ad and give it to you guys. And then we're gonna close out High Lanta. Yeah because it's hot. We are about to get on a flight. So I mean by the time you guys here this will be at home and you guys will be looking at us like we're crazy. Like you ain't just get off no flight. Yeah. I was just um, and I'll answer whatever you already know time. In continuity with recording these things never match up, but who cares this is our season finale. We had a great time doing this. It's been a bonding experience like no other with my lady here Ronnie. This is her first time actually doing anything in the media platform. So if you want to call it that grateful for her and all she ever she's put through she's been definitely definitely putting our best foot forward. So shout out to thank you. Nah, it's been fun. 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For drop this whole it's not going to be 30 people. There's no contract. There's no contract. The contract is her attitude. Not the none of the things that he's saying. It's not happening contract is your attitude. It's contract like material like, you know what I'm saying? I gotta make sure you add it to signs on it. You know what I'm saying? Are you having a bad attitude? She's a good girl. He just possessive she a good girl man. She just you just stronger than me. Everybody has it. No, because I think people just be slickster some beans for Sunday morning where to be awkward. Is when you when when when they say party done party done we got these suckers off party does not come on. Come on go for the airport. No, I'm saying is when we go home. That's when we always isn't like man. So then we finally made it to Memorial Day Monday. Finally, which after the all-white party was definitely some we have to rest for but of course, we're going back to Another Broken Egg. Got to go check out our bartender. Excuse me, Marquis, who was Taking care of us the whole time. He was there. He even showed us where to go in Atlanta as far as parties and stuff go. So shout out to him. Shout out to Another Broken Egg, but shout out to especially to him and wish him nothing but the best one is Journey Back to Texas but we went back we got some more strawberry Moses Dave's ordered some kind of grits in there the second wave of the first and foremost. We need to tell nobody what we have the first a chicken and waffles at a breakfast spot is not really something you brag about. But with you had Crab cakes Fried Green Tomatoes This is a nice little side spin this out. Oh, it was good. It was good. I looked at it. I can tell you what's good. I like for a lot of people eat fried green tomatoes. And if you get a chance that I think people should because it depends on the thickness and stuff like that. But oh man ever was really good enough. I read Tomatoes is good and bad. Nobody knows how good it is to have. Yeah, but the We're good. We like you said we were getting about a picture. Oh man. It was nice because it was a nice wake up drink to like may not realize that you have to get up and do this party and thing again, so I had a great time with you, but then the last vacation of the spring. Oh man, but I'm no and then we went back like you said to Another Broken Egg and guess what happened? I had to order some more food. But the food that I had this time was oh, wow. They have grits with smoked gouda makes my response was mixed in with smoked gouda and Egan and then I had like over easy eggs or really turns like eggs and and dueling sausage. Oh, the combination was impeccable. It was so good. So delicious. It was just great and my baby want a meeting some of my stuff because he didn't really order but we still had some more strawberry mimosas, which is even better the second day, but the food it I can't explain it. You know, sometimes you go to a place and you find like you're the perfect spot. That you can to keep on going back to because conveniency and also because of his great Vibes or the food is really good. You're going to want to go in there. That's exactly what happened babes. Are you? Okay almost at the last episode. So it's always some technical difficulty. That's trying to stop us from. Oh no, it's doing it again bummer. But like you said, it's always technical difficulties, but we always overcome it so finishes last. Yeah, that's just fun. Why not Gamble? Only been giving us a hard time because for some reason I don't know what to charge it but we want to thank everybody who is right. Yeah, definitely told us what equipment and stuff to get because it's always always, you know, something you gotta learn more learning. We actually got more stuff like we we want to move that. You know one thing we would like to do is like like he said before we love to thank you and we're so appreciative of all and everyone who participated everyone gives advice because we was doing this even even if this is my first rodeo, this is not his but we still learned and we learn from everybody we learned with ourselves doing research and stuff like that. But this has been one hell of a good ride. I'm glad you think so. Yeah, you know Just excuse me. Like I said, we are on the road. But this honey, she's there we on the road. And of course, there's always a piece of device that dies on me to make me look like a fool and how she always I asked me to charge you charge everything in charge, of course, so so he didn't charge it and a result of him not charging it. You must need a video swing some way. It's always this normally to record. Our gimbal is what we use to record our videos and stuff like that. But okay, I'm back Atlanta has been one of those places you come down to and consider moving. I'm gonna just put that on and just jump right into it see professionalism. We learned that along the way with both sides were DJ, honey. Cast the first season because a lot of stuff happened but no Atlanta is beautiful. I would definitely consider moving either here Charlotte. It's one of those two places, but Lance has a little bit more built up for if you're from the city to come and Adjust to that, you know my on City Life. Yeah, it's a dependent like this area is this is considered downtown right close to it, but not really this will probably like Midtown. I don't know what town I feel like everything everywhere we go because we're New Yorkers. We're looking for a down. Yeah, and there's no like I think their downtown's not really like happening like our was sitting there was asleep. So I guess it's different. My first time coming to Atlanta was 2007. It was Gospel Choir. Tour. Shout out to all my boys who I'm still cool or actually still cool with everybody that was there with us today or my clothes friendly still quit sent a couple of pictures of memories and stuff to them and they automatically quote on just give a little quick story in 2007 couple of gentlemen, you guys may know of if you know my media background or anything I've done in the past. So Mom and the life of tone cast members plus my boy, TJ. Oh just say everybody's name tones. TJ Claudie Evan Antonio Aunt we all sitting inside Hooters on Gospel Choir tour. We're just excited to be there because we're kids 20 is always still kids ridges excited because this water is you know, so it's all you ever hear about until you get there and you get there and you're like, where's the asset? So we get there to Hooters and our choir not a choir director, but the the pastor at the time for the for the Our school walks right past Hooters windows and like points out the windows and just start laughing. This is the most embarrassing thing but one thing that just staying, I mean that's a funny story in itself that area specifically always stands out to me Peachtree street, and I'm not trying to be cliche when I'm talking about Atlanta, but I really did stay down there for my first time in the ATL. So it wasn't it wasn't Memory Lane moment taking you around those streets passing by Metro Cafe. They got the Beautiful. Pick Part, yeah that we got to see Mercedes-Benz. Um Stadium Chilled over there for a bit. We just drove through downtown that was downtown that downtown was nice and then we saw this great piece, which was done actually this year. I'm Martin Luther King. Yeah, we're going to probably won't probably you guys have seen it already. But oh man the pictures it was just it was just a beautiful. This is memorial Monday now and it was just so quiet and beautiful to be down there in Atlanta downtown area hotlanta. That was only time it really It was hard, but I can withstand it because I was just enjoying the views and being around right, you know, the locals and stopping at you know Hooters to have a beer and and keep it moving like it was cool. Like I really like the Coca-Cola factory. It was so much things. We got to go into like the Atlanta is not a come come to Atlanta. I'm not going to be here but come right come to Atlanta. It's a nice time you we'll enjoy it. All right, she's enjoyed it. I bought her to to down south States now and she's enjoyed it. Both times even took honey here to to cookouts mention the first one already. But the last one Memorial Day Memorial Day Monday. Yeah and the hot heat my boy. Jermaine is sisters crib Landy. Shout out to them both. Yes and Hospitality that was shown was miraculous. He's a sweetheart. Yes always been known for some time now. But she was really really happy and with meeting honey, so that was cool the boys. We put the grill together three piece grilling that heat so we was sweating and the girls make it fun of us. And then all they have to do is put together a canopy Emily was in the kitchen cooking while you guys is up there putting up the yeah, so they put up the canopy, but that was cool. Shout out to them. Shout out to Jemaine shots and Landing everybody that we met out there Memorial Day Monday. North Carolina, we got to enjoy the city life now Atlanta what's funny is our first video recorded episode was North Carolina right now. We are on the road in Atlanta. Stop talking exactly it is but nonetheless, we enjoy talking about everybody else's come on a podcast. Thank you to all the celebrity and me. In all that always helps create beautiful cards and shallot Ayesha Curry for keeping us hot at the end. Now, we say a picture's worth Kauai and Aisha. So the means getting show. No, just thank you everybody. Thank you to all the content. Thank you to our Kelly. Thank you to was the messed up this year. I had a couple of things that well well other media people by with everybody who yeah, thank you for everybody. This is giving us something to chat about some some some is Each to talk about you know what I'm saying in relate to everyone. Thank you to the NBA the NFL fully staffed and political, you know, guys we going to be on our Sports diet this year. I mean, I watch bait. I mean this summer I watch baseball. She's not going to be watching much of it unless we take him to a game Father's Day is coming Happy Father's Day to all the dads. I always do this and they'll know he's going to say is I'm always gonna do this before the season and Happy Father's Day to all the dads because school is always out. And school is always not as attentive when it's Father's Day. So happy Father's Day in advance all the dads. I know we did a mother they episode 5 I'm talking like I'm a DJ. Let me slow down. Yeah, you got a gentle the season was great. I'm thinking about all the things that we did like, you know old stuff. We covered all the things we talked about us though the phone things that we actually had people listeners. Have some listeners were actually reached out to somehow gas, right? It's really great what those connection, you know overall. I wouldn't change anything. I like me. Good learning. It was here. Yeah. It was a great time. You guys were been great to us. We love you for more throughout the summer, of course continue to follow us pictures here and there I don't see Maybe who knows who knows what you know, the one right is no Ventures that you run out of I think you you fill up on adventures. Yeah, that's another thing people a very young go. Enjoy your lives. Stop selling a house. Oh wow Five-O drive somewhere. A good time is worth it for me and her every time we do one of these things is like love again. Yeah, we even talking babies on this trip. So tune in be going Beyond this nice Hiatus. I'm gonna be working on some solo projects. Honey's gonna be working on her game. That's just how it go. Thank you guys for everything all you've done or you've listened or you've played or you repost a Things that has contributed to making both sides a podcast has been played over three thousand times Yeah. We actually only when we first started we talked about the honey, which was he was excited about a hundred sober. Um, what was it how long you made a hundred within that my and now like you said 30 episodes 3000 I'll take that. I'll take it for sure. Yeah, and I'm not ashamed to tell the stats because Are being listened to and was just starting and it's going to be a lot to come. Like I said, we're gonna be working on it throughout the summer. We're gonna miss y'all. We love y'all y'all have a great summer. I'll be safe. Don't do nothing crazy continue to subscribe continue singing ideas continue to comment and we're going to continue to bring it. This is both sides with DJ and honey. Thank you guys for listening and always stay blessed. Yeah. Hey you guys we like to get things to the various artists put you to all our episodes. We do have our first guest on the show everybody. Give it up for Dalton L Richard jr. Hello. What's going on? Other people do know me as a Storyteller so welcome to the show Storyteller tone. Erica star is here with us. Thank you. Thanks for coming, Eddie. No Santelli. Hey, thank you. Thank you. Thank you everybody. We got a special guest in the building today. Everybody Welcome Sean a high. Hey, good evening everybody. Hey everybody. Great and Kev bird. Welcome to both sides Park as well. Hello. Hello. Well Dennis. I thought you were going to come here like like I dress up and I thought having like look. Man, I'm really really like appreciate you coming through. Thanks for coming through the both sides podcast, which means it's going on for everything. Thank you for having me man. We have Jasmine mcgriffin the building Jasmine. Hey, we do have Janelle gonsalves and D Davis on the line with us. What's going on guys? What's up? What's up? What's up on the line? We have Brian Scott OC in the building. I'm here. What's Going on Brian. I have my mom here with us on both sides of DJ. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for coming on to the podcast with us. No problem. Thank you guys for having me. Have a happy Friday.

Both Sides has their season finale at the Hilton Atlanta Perimeter Suites in Atlanta, Georgia and more. They get into the NBA Finals and Kawhi Leonard domination throughout the season. Dj and Hanee talks about their flight experience, the cost of living and southern hospitality. The couple soca dance to _Uck Work, Trap vs Reggae Roof Party, White Party and Sunday Morning Breakfast. Hanee twerked her skills at the Trap Museum. Both Sides gives thanks to all their guest who participated. They give their reviews on Another Broken Egg (their eating spot) during technical difficulties. During their site-seeing, Dj shares a special memory about Hooters during his college years. Dj and Hanee gives special thanks for the hospitality received from friends and their family. Both Sides talks about their achievements, their growth and love they received from the listeners. They give announcements of what's going on behind the scenes during the summer hiatus and what to look for the second season. A special mix of the podcast guest throughout the season. @bothsideswithdjandhaneepodcast --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast.

Hello and welcome. Thanks for listening to the embodied astrology horoscopes for Scorpio season in 2019. My name is Renee. I'm a Consulting astrologer and somatic intuitive. These horoscopes are meant to Aid you in your healing and help connect you with your highest self as you listen, please listen with an open mind and appreciate the symbols and suggestions take what works for you. Leave the rest remember that these? Horoscopes are describing General energy for each sign and it's up to you to get specific. Feel free to associate what I say to what is relevant for you at their best horoscopes work as pieces of mystical advice and sacred symbolism. Let them spark your imagination and stimulate your intuition. I suggest that you listen to the horoscopes for your son and your rising signs. Your sun sign is what you tell people when they ask you what's your sign it has to do with the time of year. You were born your rising sign has to do with the time of day. You were born in the place. 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You can follow your favorite podcasts like embodied astrology and never miss an episode. You can download all the episodes and listen offline, wherever you are. You can easily share what you're listening to with all your friends on social media if you haven't done so already be sure to download the Spotify app. For embodied astrology save it and browse podcasts in the your library tab. Also, make sure to follow me on social media on Instagram add embodied astrology. So you'll never miss an episode because you want to catch them all don't you? Hello Scorpio sun and Scorpio Rising. This horoscope is for you. This is your month ahead. Look at Scorpio season, which begins on October 23rd and ends on November 22nd and Scorpio season is of course the period of time when the sun shines the light of Scorpio if you're a Scorpio son, happy birthday if your Scorpio Rising welcome to your solar year and wishing you all best. As I said, this is the Rate of time when the sun is bringing additional emphasis into Scorpio. And if you'd like to know more about Scorpio and how to work with it how to understand its vibration in your body how to work with some of its deeper themes than please listen to the extended embodied astrology episode for Scorpio season, as I mentioned in the introduction in that episode. I talk a lot about the embodied experience of Scorpio and offer a guided kind of meditative awareness. Us into some of the bigger themes that I think are coming through in the season now, there's a lot happening in Scorpio season and along with the sun being in this part of your chart that has so much to do with you and with your identity with some essential qualities that you are here to radiate and Express in your life. We also have a bunch of other stuff going on. So on October 27th will have a new moon in Scorpio. Check your natal chart. And see where your son and or your rising or any other planets or points that you have in Scorpio are this new moon comes in at 4 degrees of Scorpio and if your sun rising or other planets are within 5 degrees of that than this new moon is especially important for you a new moon is always a time of both closure and opening. So one cycle is ending one cycle is beginning I think of new Owns in 12 months Cycles. We have pretty much one new moon in every sign per year. So if you think back to last year's Scorpio season and reflect on what has occurred in these past 12 months and how ideas about yourself have been evolving and changing then reflect on the next 12 months and what you're calling in for your evolving and Changing ideas of yourself. Scorpio is always going to be talking about your personality your identity. And again some kind of essential quality that you are here to express and that you're here to radiate. So this new moon is asking you to bring your intentions and your wishes in for how you are developing how you're coming to know yourself what it is that you are wanting to be expressing what you're wanting to be living in to now this new moon is coming with a fair degree of change. And a big thing that's changing is your relationships and your sense of social engagement in general and I'm going to talk more about that when I get to the full moon in a couple of weeks in a couple of minutes. So when I talk about the full moon a couple of weeks after the new moon, so as you kind of begin this new cycle with a Scorpio New Moon also notice what is happening for you in your relationships and your sense of place in the World how you're being received and perceived by other people how you're considering the ways that you want to put yourself out and what it is again that you want to be expressing not just for yourself. But within your relationships now on October 31st, Mercury will station retrograde in your sign in Scorpio, and this begins three weeks of Mercury's retrograde cycle when it appears to move backward in the sky Mercury will Station retrograde at 27 degrees and we'll come all the way back to 11 degrees. So again, check your natal chart notice where your son or rising or other planets, are there between 11 and 27 degrees. Then this retrograde is especially important for you. Mercury retrograde is always a time when we want to slow down in astrology Mercury represents the Mind our cognitive processes and our Communications when Mercury travels back, Birds the mind is in a more reflective space our Communications tend to be more internal more Meandering. This is not a time when we necessarily have all the information that we need to make important decisions. This is a time when our Communications can often be a little backwards or sidewind D or get really confused now, especially on the days of and around Mercury station be extra aware that these circumstances Has will occur and these days of mercury station tend to be the days that are the weirdest and most intense within Mercury's retrograde cycle. So from the 28th, basically the new moon on the 27th until November 2nd or 3rd. Just give yourself a lot of extra time and space especially because this Mercury retrograde happens for you in your solar first house of identity personality and appearance. This is a time to move very Slowly be careful of your body be mindful of your Communications is not a good time to make important deals or sign contracts. If you absolutely have to do it during this window of time build in as much leniency as you possibly can for yourself really try and give yourself and anybody else room to change their minds now Mercury's retrograde will be bringing a lot of emphasis for you to reflect on your own nature. And similar to what I was talking about with the new moon, this is a time to kind of look at yourself reflect on yourself as much as you can in the from the kind of the deepest layers to the most superficial so you might begin with how do you know yourself? What is you what is the essence that you kind of emanate into the world? You have some kind of essential quality that has been in existence since you were Saved that we'll be here. At least until you pass from your body. Maybe even longer. What is that Essence? And then what are all the kind of various attributes of self that you've picked up and developed an accumulated over time. How do you feel about your body your appearance? These are big issues of the first house. This is a time to again be as kind of considerate of where you're coming from as you are about where you're going. Going try and consider all of the histories and the foundations that have brought you into this present moment. And as you consider what you're wanting to move towards or move in to try and do it with as much love and care as possible. Your sign Scorpio has a lot to do with deep emotional attachments and kind of shadowy space where often we can get really entwined or entangled with Core beliefs with other people's influences and energies that cetera. So as you consider yourself, of course, you're also considering all of your relationships your foundational experiences and traumas or other kinds of circumstances that have really shaped you try and bring all of this into your conscious awareness and again with as much love and care and consideration as possible consider what you want to be moving into or two. Towards now as I mentioned Mercury retrograde is not a great time to make big changes, but this is a really good time to reflect and prepare for them now on November 1st. The planet Venus will move into Sagittarius where it will Transit until November 26th Venus is a planet that brings love magnetism generosity and relationship or connection wherever it is Sagittarius rules your solar second house of Earned income wealth and resources. This is also the place in your chart that has a lot to do with self-esteem. This is part of why I'm saying as you consider yourself consider yourself with love Venus's Transit through Sagittarius is a great time for you to emphasize self-love self-worth to expand your ideas of what kind of value you hold for yourself and what you give in the world. This is also a really good time to attract resources. So if you're wanting and to make more money, this is a good time to ask for a raise or initiate some kind of funding project now because this does happen during Mercury's retrograde, you might just consider that consider opening doors that don't have like a definitive date with them, but just starting to seed ideas with Venus's Transit through your second house on November 11th will have the inferior conjunction of mercury and the Sun. This is when Mercury passes through the heart of the sun. That's how it spoken about when we lose sight of mercury in the sky because they come into the same place in the sky. And this is a really important moment in Mercury's retrograde cycle one that pertains to a remembering or an Awakening or revelation of some kind where we get some information about some of the deeper qualities and more important messages in Mercury's retrograde cycle. Keep a notebook. Look around and just take note of what's happening for you on and around November 11th. And any big ideas that you're having around that time on November 12th. We'll have a full moon in Taurus in this is your opposite sign whenever we have a full moon. We have an illumination of a polarity between two signs and also between the two houses that they occupy in your chart your opposite sign Taurus holds the part of your chart that represents your opposites. So your opposites have to do with other people where you come into relationship with people that are not part of your immediate family or really foundational influences, but folks that you're meeting on a more equal playing field. These could be just casual acquaintances that you're running into but the 7th house also has a lot to do with important relationships and committed Partnerships as well as contracts that you make with other people this full. Une can illuminate a lot of your Tendencies expectations and desires when it comes to important relationships and committed Partnerships as well as to the Baseline assumptions or expectations that you bring into these relationships. Now as I mentioned when I was talking about the new moon, there's a lot of change energy that's coming for you at this time. That's affecting both your notion of self and your notion of relationship this full moon is emphasizing relationship. A desire to grow in your relationships desire to feel free with in your relationships and desire to be authentic and truly yourself in your relationships. This full moon is a very supported in the social spaces of the chart. And so I'm going to say that these relationships include all kinds of people and definitely have a lot to do with how you are thinking about yourself thinking about other people how you're sharing your thoughts with others and how you're able to communicate. Uh, Kate your wants your needs your desires Etc on November 18th. The planet Mars will move into Scorpio where it will Transit until January 3rd Mars is one of the ruling planets of Scorpio and when it transits your sign, it's in its strongest and most vital position Mars in Scorpio emphasizes desire passion and intensity when Mars transits through your first house, there can be a lot of increased energy in your body. In your mind, you might have more force in your effect and in how you put yourself out to people and you can also think about this period of time as one that could potentially bring in a kind of increased strength or assertiveness to what you're putting out that for some might come across as aggressiveness or conflict. So Mars can Also, bring kind of separating severing or even sometimes violent energies with it. Well Mars transits your first house. This is a Time. First of all to be really careful of your body and specifically your head. This is definitely a time especially since its beginning its Transit just a few days before Mercury turns direct and as I said those days tend to be weird and wonky. This is the time to really take your time if thing. This are not going as you want them to see if you can be clear in your intention and what you're trying to put out without being overly aggressive. This is a time when you may be coming across with a lot of energy and you want to be mindful of how that energy is coming out or coming through now, you can definitely use this transit for positive gain and you can use it by again. Letting this energy kind of Infuse and Empower your sense of self your sense of identity or changing personality and bringing a lot more energy into how you want to put yourself out into the world and just that little caveat or memo to you know, just keep your awareness in your relationships as well. Not necessarily as a as a reason to temper yourself or to be inauthentic. Just to notice that how you are expressing yourself definitely does and will influence people around you and you want to kind of just keep your eyes open. You have a lot of power during this time and you want to use that power. Well, as I said Mercury will turn Direct on November 20th, and that means that from the 18th until the 22nd or so just expect that things might not go as planned give yourself and everybody else time for mishaps and kind of rework. Workings of any kinds of plans or things might get a little weird on November 22nd the sun enters Sagittarius and I'll be back with you then with your month ahead horoscopes for Sagittarius season. In the meantime, please check out your year ahead birthday report for Scorpio season in that report. I go in-depth into your next 12 months and cycles and transits that are happening for you and Justin's for how to work with them that reading comes with an audio recording that's about an hour and a half long as well as a very detailed and lengthy PDF that gives you all the upcoming Cycles so that you can work with them in your solar year. If you'd like to know more about this upcoming months astrology, please become a subscriber you can subscribe by donation at any amount per month and in trade for your donation subscription, you'll have access to my extended month ahead forecasts and these Forecasts also include audio recordings and downloadable PDF calendars that help you work with all of the major planetary aspects and lunar cycles many more than what I mentioned in this horoscope as they occur. I hope that this horoscope is interesting and that it will be helpful for you and wishing you all the best in this season and Beyond. Thanks so much for listening and bye for now.

These horoscopes are month-ahead forecasts for each sign for Scorpio Season in 2019. Scorpio Season extends between October 23 and November 22. Go to embodiedastrology.com to find short written horoscopes for all 12 signs If you enjoy these horoscopes, please listen to “Depth Perception - Embodied Astrology for Scorpio Season.” In this episode I’ll take you on a tour of Scorpio’s zodiacal energy and explore how it manifests in the world and in each of us. Everyone has every sign in their chart, and Scorpio represents amazing and important energy for each of us. This episode is a great preparation for the next 30 days of Scorpio season and is also a very healing and powerful energy to check in with at any point. Listen here. Get the Scorpio Season Month Ahead Extended Forecast by becoming a subscriber today! https://www.embodiedastrology.com/tip-jar Find information and register for the ASTROLOGY DINNER PARTY here https://www.eventbrite.com/e/astrology-dinner-party-tickets-76460855477 Follow Embodied Astrology: Instagram - @embodiedastrology Facebook - Embodied Astrology (@embodiedastrology) Cover Art by Janna Dorothy --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast.

Hi and welcome to the law of positivism podcast. I'm your host Shireen and I'm the creator of Love positivism. I'm here to help you on your spiritual and healing journey. I am a certified yoga and meditation teacher a student of Chinese medicine a doula a Reiki practitioner and a passionate highly sensitive person. I want to use my knowledge to channel information and messages for you to grow on all levels. Hi and welcome to the seventh episode of the podcast. I'm so happy that you're here. And this week. I have an amazing guest and friend of mine on the show. Her name is Leila Andresen, and she is a holistic healer and educator. She's a certified mindfulness instructor a yoga teacher and a motivational coach. and she has done so much in her life from being in the business corporate world, and now being an author of her first book that she's writing and she also guides and coaches groups and clients in emotional and spiritual healing and she also works with Stress Management and creativity and her mission is to connect the collective Body Mind heart disconnect and this week we cover the topic around trauma and we talked about what the trauma is trauma for many of us maybe means something or we can we can interpret it as something big and huge life-changing like a disaster any type of abuse or War and these are traumas as well. We also discuss that traumas can be something that are not. as big as a natural disaster or a war, but it can be traumas that happens to us in childhood or in daily life that even small things can cause trauma in us and that it's really important that we recognize a trauma address it work with it and to heal it so we don't carry carry it in our body. So we talked about that and Layla shares a lot of amazing tips and tools and her ways of dealing with trauma. So this episode is really great and educational. So I hope you like it and if you do listen and like it, please Leave a review on iTunes. I always draw an oracle card for those that do leave a review and the screenshot it so I'm really grateful for all of you who have written reviews. So just enjoy the episode. Hi Leila. Hi. Hi hi and welcome to the podcast. Thank you. It's awesome to be in the podcast. I'm so excited. I'm excited to I'm super happy that you're here and that we're going to have this very important conversation. Yeah, me too and I'm a little nervous and excited and I also think it's an important topic and I just love how You spread these important topics to all of your listeners. So yeah, I'm really excited. Yeah, thank you. And as usual, I just want to start by asking you how you stay Mindful and present, okay. Yeah, I usually start my mornings with a routine I have and it's a meditation routine and I'd it's in a few steps. So the first step is always to take at least five deep breaths to connect with your breath and that step is very important because it sticks with you for the rest of the day. So that's the first step. And the second step is smiling even even if you don't feel like smiling, even if you feel like you don't have anything to smile about smile because it's your face facial expressions Expressions. Send signals to your body and you can choose to yeah, you can choose to feel happy. Even if you're not happy and I don't mean you should ignore feelings of sadness. - or if something happened, it's not what I mean. I just mean that you can choose set the tone for the day. So smiling even if you don't feel like smiling and third step is forgiveness. So I try to forgive myself and others for yesterday's mistakes, and that doesn't mean that whatever happened isn't important. It just means that I don't bring those feelings or thoughts or effects with me during the day. I give myself the opportunity to be in a new day. I don't bring the feelings of the past with me. So yeah, those are the three first steps and then there's a few more steps about yeah different things setting intentions and Affirmations and it sounds like it takes a long time. But this routine just takes a few minutes. Sometimes I do it in bed before I get up. Sometimes I do it before I meditate it's just small steps to remind myself that I am here. And this is a new day and I am in control of the day. So yeah, that's yeah, that's the routine I do in the morning, but then during the day I keep reminding myself of a breathing like breathing softly breathing down to my belly like soft belly breathing because as soon as I'm somewhere else as soon as I lose myself in thoughts or feelings or the past or worrying about the future I can feel my breath up in really I have a really shallow breath up in my throat. So I keep reminding myself. Maybe I put a hand on my Kelly to remind myself of breathing deeply with a soft belly and that takes me to the present moment right away. Yeah, I do a few. Yeah, I do a few of those those things. Yeah. Also. I have like this question if I get caught up in feelings and emotions worry and stuff. I always ask myself. What is this over and over? What is this not to get a direct answer, but just to remind myself of breaking this worrying or examining being curious of my feelings or whatever is happening to just explore it. What is this? What is this? And then something comes down something gets me. Yeah to the present moment and gets me mindful of what is going on and also reminds me. I have a choice there. I have a choice. I have a choice. I can choose to stay in this mode or I can choose differently. So it gives me the choice. of yeah, it gives me it gives me choice. And that's what I'm not and that's what mindfulness does. I think it gives you it gives you first space. And in that space you find Choice. Yeah, that's very beautiful. Thank you for sharing you do different things. So it's easy. Yeah. These are the things I do. It's great tools, I think and yeah everything that you mentioned are so important. To observe ourselves and to observe the body and the breath and it can like it's good to have that routine and then the routine becomes habit and you just do it out of habit. So exactly and if you start that way in the morning, if you start with being with yourself before you let the rest of the world in just start with grounding yourself before you let the rest of the world in before you check your emails or your phone or even Talk to your spouse or partner or children or whatever. If you do that before you let everyone else into your world. It's so much easier to stay Mindful and present the rest of the day. If you if like the first step is reminding yourself of your breath. It's so much easier to remember being with your bed the rest of the day so and it doesn't have to take long just a few minutes and you set for the rest of the day. Yeah. It's like programming your so yeah, it's so important That's so exciting. You can tell by the things that you mentioned that you have a wide background in different modalities and we've known each other for a while and have worked together and I think it would be interesting for you to share like your background what you do and also how it led you like. What was the Past that you took to come to where you are right now. Yeah, of course, where do I start? Yeah, I work with spiritual emotional healing. I work with mindfulness that work with yoga. I work with clients. I have classes. I do workshops. I do different things like that and I didn't always do that. I come from a background where I worked in corporate and big Companies. I work with marketing project management. I did a bunch of different things very corporate. and I used to it's like I never really decided that was what I was going to do, but I used to think that I had to have a successful job. I had to have I had to be successful I had to do like the things that were expected of me. So that's what I say. It's kind of that's what I started doing and I never really had an intention of doing those things. But one thing led to another and all of a sudden that's what I was doing for years and it stressed me out. I didn't really I always knew I wasn't right place on some level. I always knew I wasn't in the right place because I turned 40 this year. So I started working with these kind of things when I was 19 and even back then I always knew I wasn't in the right place. I always knew I wasn't meant for other things, but I just couldn't I just didn't know what I had I wasn't really in contact with With who I was and what I was supposed to be doing or so I kind of just went with whatever I went. Maybe you could say I went with with what was easy, but it wasn't easy but I went with the choices that was that were presented to me. I did what everyone else did I went to school? I pick the jobs that that seemed. Yeah, that maybe I could do to be successful. I chose things it was expected of me. But as I said, I always knew this wasn't for me. So as the years passed I felt more and more stressed. I felt more and more out of my out of place. I felt more and more sad sometimes depressed. I had a lot of anxiety. I felt like life was really. Stressful and I felt very pressed. I felt like I was out of touch with myself. I was never really happy and I know now that was because I had like blocked. Pushed away who I really was So eventually I just realized long story short. I just realized this doesn't work anymore. I have to find another way of living because I don't feel good. It started to manifest. Physically. I all I had like a belly aches headaches. I always I was always What how do you call it? Not nauseated but I was always I was always very feeling very low. So I realized I just have to do something about this but I didn't know where to start. I didn't know what to do. I didn't even know if it was okay to do something else because everyone else was living this kind of Life. Everyone else was doing the nine-to-five everyone else was Happy being it seemed to me anyway, everyone else was happy being distressed overworked overwhelmed always being on call always answering emails always living this kind of pressed and stress life and I felt I was the only one who couldn't deal with it. Eventually. I had my daughter and I for her sake I just felt like this has to stop because I'm not a present mom. I see. her well one and a half hour a day. I didn't I didn't this is wasn't what I had in mind when I had children that I would see her one and a half hour and every day I wanted to be with her more. So yeah, I just decided that I had enough in with the support of my husband. I quit my job and I started to I had already before then started to Find my way back to myself through different modality modalities. I went to my first Yoga Retreat when I was 35, and that's when I started doing yoga. And that was a yoga retreat for highly sensitive people and I had just started reading about highly sensitive people that personality traits. So I was very interested in that because I felt that that was absolutely Me so I went to a yoga retreat and I really something happened during that Yoga Retreat. That was like I can't describe it in any different way. It was magical because I finally allowed myself to be myself to be what I thought was different. Now. I know that many many many many people feel the way I do but back then I still thought I was different. I thought that I was weak because I couldn't handle life the way I was supposed to handle life. But as I said, I know now they are many many people who feel the same way men and women, but I work so much with women and women are feeling so much stress and anxiety and Yeah overwhelmed although Wellness is a really big thing. Yes. I want that to that Yoga Retreat and it changed changed my life. I started to studying and reading up on highly sensitive this trait this personality trait and I think you've had an episode about that on the podcast. Yeah. So yeah exactly. An important topic to be aware of and spread. So yeah, I started reading up on that. I learned so much more about myself. I had it I had an Awakening I've had moments of Awakening before in my life. But this was like a major one. I started yoga. I started doing mindfulness meditating. I did yoga teacher trainings. I went to meditation Retreats I did. Did so many things I still do and I started studying shamanism. I started to train psyche to Mexico. I started to train to become a therapist in Psycho synthesis. So I've done a bunch of different things many many things over the years. Yeah, that's amazing. I think it's not that short. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I know. Yeah and like now being I mean you have different modalities and you do here in Stockholm. You have the yoga and you have the circles the moon circles and you are working with different things. And yeah, today's topic will also be around trauma, which you are passionate about it that ye are writing about so maybe you can like maybe explain first maybe maybe people think trauma. Is something like super extreme? Yeah that what what could trauma be in our lives like simply there are like yeah trauma is usually people usually because I usually say that everyone has trauma and people get confused when I say that because usually what we think about when we think about trauma are these big things like natural disasters War. War really severe abuse like these big things that happen accidents someone dies like these big things but there's also sometimes you can call it like these big things are trauma with Big T and the other there's trauma with a small T, but they're really not smaller. It's just a way of differentiating. But trauma can also be like if you go through a very long abusive relationship and it doesn't have to be physical abuse. It can be psychological views a difficult divorce. It can be when your little it can be just not being able to attach to your caregivers or your parents. It's like anything that threatens connection and And with parents it's like it can be critique yelling. It can be taking care of a sick parent parent that is maybe alcoholic or have different addictions. It can be so many things and it can also be like trauma is not only the bad things that happen. It can also be the good things that should have happened but didn't happen. Like when your little as a child you want like hugs and you want Of and you don't get that it can be so many things. So like if you talk about trauma with a big T. It's like the disastrous things those like real things that activate your survival response. Like that's those are the big things but then there's the smaller things trauma with the little T. They are the ones that we don't associate with trauma so it can be Many things yeah, I just mentioned many things but it can be so much more. And as you said I work with I've come to be so interested in trauma because I realized how it has affected me in my life. And I was one of those who used to think. Well, I don't have much trauma and and I'm writing a book and I have a long chapter about trauma and the book starts with me talking. About realizing I have trauma and how surprised I am having trauma and like going through my life and trying to figure out well, why do I have traumatic stress responses? Why do I have emotional trauma? And the thing is when I was 10 years old. I was in a huge train accident and still I didn't think I had trauma because I thought well it was when I was ten ten years old. How can it still effect? Me I'm as I said, I'm almost 40. How can it still affect me? Well because it wasn't taken care of the way it was supposed to be taking care of. It was a threat to my life and my nervous system reacts with react to that threat with activating all of my survival responses, and those responses haven't been deactivated correctly. I haven't been able to integrate. That experience to to my to my body mostly trauma and traumatic stress is a biological response. So and and usually Retreat drama psychologically, but it's a biological response. It's something that happens in your nervous system. So if you don't regulate and integrate your nervous system back to normal it will always be in survival mode and so you have to do Things to regulate your nervous system back to normal and you need skills to self-regulate and most people don't have that because if you first you don't know you have trauma because you think trauma is something huge and you can find anything huge in your life. You've been through and secondly, You don't know how to even if you knew you had trauma. You don't know how to how to self-regulate or how to get your nervous system back to normal because we usually treat trauma as only something psychological. So there's many things we need to trauma is very misunderstood and Trauma has to do with if you want to explain it very simply and very basic trauma is anything That makes you feel unsafe. So taking care of trauma and healing trauma is anything that make you feel safe again, and we need to remember it's a biological response. So we need to work with it in our bodies with our we need to learn how to regulate our nervous system and you can do that in many many different ways mindfulness is a great way meditation. Like when you're stuck in trauma, you're stuck in the past you're stuck in what happened to you and meditation and mindfulness is about being in the present moment. Like we were talking about so mindfulness is like that time machine you need to get yourself from the past to the present moment. So it's a great tool for some people with drama mindfulness can be difficult because some people have flashbacks and and really difficult memories so Most people benefit from mindfulness most traumatic people with trauma benefit from mindfulness, but you also have to be a little bit careful because it's some people have difficulty being still because of flashbacks and difficult memories. So those people you have to treat me different ways all you have to do other things but like your body gets stuck in this fight and flight response. Alms because when something threatening happens to you your body reacts with fight and flight. And so sorry, you need to you need to deactivate the fighting fly and meditation and mindfulness helps you to calm down deep belly breathing helps you to calm down and regulate your nervous system. I'm sorry about that. I have something in my throat I talk too much. and then other things you can do is like dancing shaking not dancing like ballroom dancing like free dancing and shaking and just close your eyes and shake your body and dance because that deactivates the freeze response you can you nervous system reacts with either fight flight or freeze and fight is when you want to fight back fly is when you want to hide run and hide and freeze in is when your Body freezes so dancing and shaking and moving your body helps with getting you out of the freeze response. Yeah, so there's many different things. You can do all of the modalities I use like yoga is a great tool. Yoga is a really really good tool especially if you're aware that you have trauma and maybe the teachers or the courses or classes you take they have some kind of they don't have to be trauma trained, but they Some kind of like some kind of knowledge that maybe a few people if you have like 25 people in the yoga class at least five or six or maybe seven of them will have trauma responses in their body. So it's good if teachers know that because then they can help hold space for them. So yoga is a great tool. Yeah, just now that you spoke about it. That would be such an interesting course or class to have to like just yoga mindfulness for trauma and then explaining that trauma is is probably something that many of us have been through and it is it is a tool for growth because it does I mean there is some in everything there's a duality in this world and I mentioned and there can be a light and dark side of everything and maybe we can learn how to harness that trauma the first of all like Is standing it and yeah, understanding their reactions and like the physical reactions and the emotional and psychological and then like how how does that strengthen us? And teach us and exactly. Yeah, if we just knew that trauma is any overwhelming event. That is too much too fast too soon for our nervous system. If we only knew that then we would understand that it it happens to all of us. It's like like I said before it can be losing your job. It can be like taking care of someone who's sick. Someone close to you is sick. It can be I mean for a person who is traumatized positive things can also be trauma like for for example, if you you have like this big dream of a clock accomplishing something and all of a sudden you accomplish that That can be too much for your system to handle if you have a history of being overwhelmed and when I was talking about my history the I have a long history of being overwhelmed. And so I think that if I if I had more knowledge about my nervous system my emotional system and if I hadn't more knowledge about how to regulate myself I probably would have done much much better at work. I probably wouldn't have have felt as a stressed and overwhelmed as I always did if I knew more about how the diff different things that happen to me over the years had affected me and how dysregulated I was if I knew more about that and and then I would have been able to handle it much much better. I would have could have put up boundaries and I would maybe have talked to more people about it. I would have done. So much more and I would have handled it much better and I would have been happier and felt much much better. But first step is to know and understand trauma. So yeah, that would have been a great class or course to have and I have some thoughts about doing something about it. But there's a I know there's many people do your their success. For example yoga therapy. There's this modality called Called yoga therapy and they do a lot of things around trauma and all over the world and here in Sweden. There's a woman called Joseph didn't dijkstra my think, you know don't you know her she's called me earlier. Yeah, she works a lot with with trauma and she actually has teacher trainings yoga teacher trainings that incorporate trauma awareness and Trauma information that I See, I haven't been I haven't done them myself, but I'm seriously thinking of it. So there are a few places as a yoga teacher or as a person just interested in this can go to learn more and one thing that was really important for me to realize was this like this realizing that I'm highly sensitive because for highly sensitive people, you know about this but Twenty percent of everyone in this world including animals are highly sensitive and people who are highly sensitive have an extra sensitive a more sensitive nervous system. That means that we process events more deeply and we also notice things more things in our environment. But the main thing is that we everything we noticed we process so much more deeply And that's why we might internalized and event as traumatic when non when known HSB wouldn't do that. So it's you are more as an a highly sensitive person. And sometimes they're called a chess piece. When you are H is p you have your more prone to internalizing a traumatic event as traumatic stress. Because your nervous system is like it's it's set up that way. So if you're one of those who see yourself as highly sensitive this thing about trauma might be extra interesting for you. And that's one of the ways I found out about I started because I first started reading about HSP and that's where I read about trauma. And that's one of the first times I I started to realize the magnitude of of trauma. So that's one of the ways in which I found out all these things about trauma to with that's one of the ways that led me to trauma I should say. Yeah, it's like when you open one door you there's so many more doors to be opened. And yeah, and they're any less the doors are endless. Yeah. What is that? That's that's that's the point with why we are here. So if we weird rarely like reaching one height and plateau and then we stayed there we have no and I don't think we're meant to know exactly we're supposed to like peel off all the layers. So we have to find new things that and the more we do it the more we can do it with ease and understanding but in the beginning like the It can be really tough. And yeah, and that there is so much learning and so much blessings and all obstacles and challenges definitely and after a while when you've been through the process of the process. Of healing almost looks almost always looks the same. It's like so when you something either something happens that make you realize okay. I need to heal this war like there's been small things happening or your you've been feeling these small nudges and you realize okay. I need to heal this but you realize either way realize you need to heal something and you need to Like people to be uncomfortable because it's uncomfortable to heal and when you start it might hit you really hard and it might be difficult. It might be uncomfortable and you go through a time where you really don't know if it's going to get better because sometimes it feels like everything just gets worse and you're like in a you you're in a rough spot, but under all that chaos and all that difficulty that healing can be That's where all the magic happens. So you need to be in that spot because if you're not the magic won't happen and eventually you get out of that spot and that's when you you start creating wisdom. You get all the insights and you start having all this wisdom, but you need to be in the difficult period of it before the wisdom and the insights and the magic happens and once you've been through that process. Us enough times, you know, it's really I find it really comforting that when I'm in that difficult like that difficult. What you call it? Yeah, exactly when I'm in that difficult space healing space. It's comforting for me to know that okay now is the time when all the wisdom is baking underneath all the magic is happening underneath all of this. So I just need to allow myself to be in this space because if I'm not doing it, I won't get the wisdom. I won't get the insights and I won't get the Bliss in the magic that will And afterwards and that is really once you've been through that process enough times it that's the way it gets easier for me because I get that Comfort. I don't know if you recognize that feeling but I mean so you are going to be in that process many many times but it gets easier because you know, you know, what comes after yeah. Does that make sense? Yeah, and and it makes sense. If you if you look at it as a birth as well like when it ended Birthing process. It's like you go through this really challenging and also exciting moments and hours. But yeah, what comes out of it is is like so incredible so we can see all like when we are done there you can see it as a birthing process to birth something new and to experience something on a higher level. Yeah, that's exactly it and I think once Is really important to know like the more you experience. We wrote the post about this yesterday that sometimes we get caught up on evaluating things as being good or bad or positive or negative and but when we see that everything has two sides we learn to see we can logically see that this is something that will benefit. It me in the greater good even how tough it is that and we can like I think one step of the healing is also like looking back and see what what's happened to you or through you or whatever process you went through and then like truly accepting it the I went through processes where I think I've accepted it, but then I realized later on it. I wasn't fully. Thing it and that's the Alchemy and the transformation that we have to learn to do and I think that takes a lot of practice but when you do that, then you become so grateful and content in what has been and also just feeling that that has been the fuel it's like if you want to work with people. And you want to work with healing and you want to work with all of these things. It's your experiences that that gives you the greatest tools. It's not only the trainings that you do. So if when you have went through things or traumas or yeah anything in your past that has been difficult that brings your more empathy and brings you more understanding and then more healing powers. So I was I was listening to this beautiful podcast where they spoke about Jesus Journeys and and how how after many years of wandering and visiting different places. His feet was constantly hurting and burning and and they said but you heal everyone why don't you heal yourself? And he said I had this pain is reminding me also how important it is for me to heal others. It's a reminder that this how this experience feels others are feeling and and that's why He kept this as a sacred like reminder to himself. Yeah, that's empathy. Yeah, it's empathy. So yeah, I think seeing it as that it can heal a lot and I'm really interested in because you have also started working with a shamanic healing. Do you do that with trauma as well? Yeah a little bit. I just I just started so so a little bit most people because the shamanic healing is tools are very much about the body and the energetic body. So we find things that are stuck in the body and they are mostly stuck there because of trauma. So what we do is we work with releasing the things that are stuck in the energetic body. So yeah, I do I do that, but it's a different kind of Healing modality, it's different to the things like when I do more talk therapy because this is more we are just working with the body and the energetic body like really breathing and working with visualisations and stuff like that to get this the thing the energy heavy dense stuck energy out of the body, so it's really effective. yeah, and it's mostly mostly about trauma about things that happen that are stuck and I just most of the clients I have or women and it doesn't matter if it's shamanic healing or if it's whatever other modality I work with most of the women. Most of the clients are women. And of course men are also feeling overwhelmed and stressed absolutely and they work with their stress and overwhelm, maybe in different ways I have male clients to I do but it's just I don't know. It's just so sad. And so There's something about the modern Western woman. She's feeling so stressed and overworked and overwhelmed and she she's so disconnected from who she is. And so I work a lot especially in the shamanic healing a lot with helping women reconnecting with themselves. And one of the ways we do that is through Seeing whatever stands in their way of reconnecting with themselves. And yeah, I would say 99% of the time. It's about trauma. Yeah. And yeah, so it's interests me the fact that so many women need healing and I'm not saying man don't I know I work a lot with my husband and we started working together. We have our company our business together and he's a holistic health coach and he works with nutrition and many things and he does a lot of work with men. So no men need healing too but there's something with this with women and with this overwhelm and stress women are very stressed and burnt out and like Yeah, just overwhelmed. It's like they they burn themselves out in this quest for success or becoming something that they think they need to become or becoming someone. They think they need to become like haunting women today and haunting is a strong word. But sometimes I feel it's the right word because I need so many women that feel that way. And the symbolic hearing I've noticed this a great tool for that because it helps them relax it relax the nervous system. It makes them like maybe for the first time ever relaxing way they Have never relaxed before. So yeah, it's really powerful. Yeah. But I just started with it. So I have a lot more to learn when it comes to those tools. Yeah. Yeah, it's really to go deep. I think yelling needs to go that deep as well and because everything that manifests in our physical body and kind of in our thoughts like everything that is tied to this world comes also from the energy so The Energy's obstructed in any way is is Tainted or dense with something. It has to be addressed also. Yeah, so I think that's really good. And yeah, so all the sorry no, no continue. Not so all the modalities I work with whether it be yoga or Shamanism or mindfulness or even psycho synthesis are all holistic. They work with physical body the channel body the mental body body the spiritual body because I think that's the only way we can hear if we have a whole person approach. It needs to be like a holistic approach because what what traditional medicine does traditional medicine is great for many many things. So there's nothing wrong with traditional medicine but traditional medicine and psychology is not holistic. It divides the body it divides us. To like if I have something going on with my emotions or with my mental States I go see a psychologist if I have something going on with my physical body I go see a doctor Etc, but you need to work with all of these levels simultaneously because we are a whole person so you can't heal if you don't look at yourself as a whole person. So it's really important especially for trauma trauma is holistic. It's physical psychological and spiritual so you need to work with it on all those levels because it manifests in the body. It manifests in the soul. It manifests in the heart. It manifests in the mind. So yeah. Yeah, that's very true. And it would be interesting. If you could talk about your your work that you do in holistic Rebels with your husband and the training that you will also have an and Just explain a little bit more about it. Yeah, of course, so we have ad if we have a business and we have a company called holistic Rebels and we started it. Well, it's not that long ago few years back. I started this path before him. So I started working with these things before him and then eventually he started to train as a health coach holistic health coach coach and Mission assist and then we just decided to start working together. And what we do is we have we do different things. We have a program where we help clients individually with its we see it more as a lifestyle transformation program because as I said, we need to heal on all levels, so and that's why we want to work together because together we have all these Different we all of our expertise is when we combine it it gets like we we have so much more to learn but when we combine our expertise, we have all these levels to work with like nutrition the body physical emotional. We have all these levels to work with. So whatever our clients come to us with we maybe they come to us with something that is psychological or let's say they want to start eating differently then maybe that's what they come to us with but eventually we will see that we need to work on all these different levels anyway, because how you eat is just a symptom of your lifestyle or how you how the thoughts you think about yourself is just a symptom of your lifestyle. So we work like in this hole Person approach holistic and lifestyle approach and so we work with clients individually, we have a program for that and we also have this training that we in April of 2020. We have a training called Rebel Health practitioner where you will learn all everything that we know we will try to teach you. It's we will have we will I will lead mindfulness workshops and emotional healing work. Shops and we will talk we will do things that will intention work inner work inner spiritual work. We will heal our wounds our inner child's we will do all of these different things and then we will also do yoga and we will do have a meditation practice and we will teach teach you how you the how your gut because got Health. We know now that everything that goes on in your gut goes on in your head and vice versa. So we will have a workshop all about God help. We will have Workshop about plant-based eating and healthy plant-based eating because we are all we are plant-based we eat plant-based, but we will have a workshop so many people come to us. Ask I want to eat more plants. I want to eat more like Whole Foods and so I want to lower inflammation in my body. How do I do that? And so we have Workshop about that in this training? Yeah, so it will be really maxed with everything we know just to teach anyone who wants to come to this training to become self lead in a holistic lifestyle and to also Inspire others to live more holistically to live more healthy and to live more fulfilled because it's it's about health, but it's also about living more fulfilled and more happy and less stressed and have more meaning So it's it's really a whole person approach all levels of your life. You will have knowledge about how to heal all levels of your life and yourself and then tools to inspire others to do the same and that's why it's called Global Health practitioner because you will become a practitioner of it for yourself. And for others. Yeah. Those are the two main things we do together. We do different things. We have Moon circles. We lead Moon circles because I think that we have forgotten as modern people we have forgotten that we are life is moves in cycles and in phases and the moon phase is a great opportunity to remember that all of life moves in phases. And so the new moon is the phase where we work with intention setting where we work with. Where are we in life? And where do we want to go and at the full moon? We work with releasing old patterns anything that stands in our way of becoming who we want to be of doing what they want to do. So, it's a great it's a great face to follow because it's so regular it's 12 times a year. It's like you have two weeks in between New Moon and full moon. So you Space to work with with yourself. It's a very the pace of the moon is very it's a very good Pace to work with yourself in this in these different concepts. So we do that we have those circles at a yoga studio here in Stockholm. We do different different things, but it's all holistic and it's all aim to give you tools to To live a happier more fulfilled and healthier life and it's also not so much. It's maybe not so conventional as I said, we love traditional medicine and psychology because it's very important to use those tools. But it's those tools are mostly about taking care of you when you are already very sick. So what we do is to teach you how to not become very Live a lifestyle where you're healthy so you don't have to become sick. So it's like two different things preventing. Yeah, and for the training can anyone join or do you have to be a yoga teacher? What is the criteria want anyone who is interested of Shifting to this kind of lifestyle is welcome to join. It's also good for yoga teachers who wants to add maybe add to have a more whole like like to have to add this nutritional aspect to add like these different aspects to have a more whole approach in no, it's good for coaches or therapists who maybe want to know more about the body because they work a lot with the mind and emotions and maybe they want to learn more about the body. So it's for everyone who really want to not just be stuck in one level because most people when they think oh, I need to get more healthy. They start maybe with looking at how they eat and how they work out and that's important. That's really important. But anything it doesn't matter how much you work out or how much you Eat well if you have toxicity in your body from toxic emotion emotional waste in your body. If or if you think these toxic thoughts all day or if you have heavy metals that are toxic in your body. Working out or eating healthy will only get you so far you need to do look at all these different things. So really the training is for anyone who wants to understand how it all. How it how healing really works and how health really works on all levels. So yeah, it's so beautiful. I was scared the links to the website and to the training in the show notes, let's go and is there any last thing that you want to share with the listeners? Yeah, I want to say that when I compile everything in a conversation like this. It might seem like a lot it might seem like so much to think about and so much too. It might feel overwhelming. We've been talking a lot about overwhelmed. But this type of Lifestyle should definitely not be overwhelming but it might sound like it's a lot and shifting lifestyle and starting to heal like all levels spiritually emotionally physically. It's a lot it's a lot but the important thing is that you only need to do one thing at a time. You don't need it. Process we have to remember it's a process. It's been a process for us. We have been doing this for years. So it's not like it needs to happen overnight. It's not like it needs to happen in a week or in a month a few things might happen quickly, but it's a process. So it's important to remember when you start on your path for whatever reason you start here on your healing path. You need to be have compassion with yourself and you need to be loving to yourself and kind to yourself and like one good thing at a time one thing that feels good at a time. And when I say feel good, I mean that feels right it might feel very uncomfortable. But as long as it feels right just one small step at a time. That's the way to do it. It might it's much better. The fastest way to grow is to go slow the fastest way to grow and to heal is to go slow because if it Comes overwhelming you're not going to do it and it's very easy in a conversation like this because I also talked so much so my feel like too much but it shouldn't feel like too much. I think it's been amazing everything that you've shared and so insightful and really like very good tools for us to use and to think about and if anyone wants to work with you one to one they can connect with you through your website. And your your Instagram which I will share. Yeah. So yeah, thank you. Yeah, we're on Instagram and Facebook. Yeah and our website. So yeah, it's just at holistic Rebels and you will find us everywhere great. Thank you so much. I'm so grateful for your talk. It was amazing and time flies is it really does five minutes? Yes. It's really amazing when When that happens, yeah, I'm super grateful. Thank you so much. Thank you, and I'll talk to you soon again. Yes. Thank you. Thank you so much for listening this week as well. I'm really really grateful for your time your energy and I hope that this can help you on your journey on healing understanding yourself better. And I hope you can use the tools that Layla has shared in your own life to come closer to a more balanced and harmonious life and emotional life. So I really Hope you love this. And if you did, please also leave a review on iTunes. It means so much to me and you can help others to find the podcast and if you have any questions connect with me on Instagram love positivism. So let's take a deep breath in together in through the nose. And exhale through the mouth. And take whatever resonates with you and leave the rest.

In this week’s episode my guest is Leila Andersson who is a holistic healer and educator. She’s a certified mindfulness instructor, yoga teacher and motivational coach. For years her official story was 9 to 5 and corporate. Now she inspires through writing, speaking and leading. She intuitively coaches groups and clients in emotional and spiritual healing, stress management and creativity. Her mission is reconnecting the collective body-mind-heart disconnect. This a beautiful episode that helps you find tools and ways to observe yourself and your trauma and we speak about how can experience different types of traumas. They are not always big and extreme cases, they can happen in our daily lives, we just have to identify them.

Welcome to haken in Animal Crossing podcast your podcast dedicated to all things Animal Crossing episode. 112 is brought to you by Evan Lynn three one four one of our newest patreon patrons today Sergio and I are talking about the new January artwork for the show and we're answering the weekly questions for the 100 a countdown as well as recapping the latest New Horizons news. Use And discussing Animal Crossing spoilers, so to begin. Hello Sergio. How you doing? Hi, Chuy. I'm doing I'm doing much better. You know, I'm almost done fully recovering from an Express cold that I got. Um, let's see like three days ago. It's between a an interesting couple of days. But I've also been playing a lot of games. I well a lot of our game I finished my second playthrough of Pokemon shield in I'm pretty much done. I completed the leaving. Ex I'm done with Pokemon until they announce a new one. That is us. So you just like stayed home from work and stuff during that time. Yeah. Well that's good. It's good to rest up and get healthy and luckily, you know, you can spend some time playing some Pokemon as well. That's always good. Yeah, as far as me like I've been checking out the eShop every single day several times a day to see if they've added. Crossing New Horizons on there yet? Because as soon as they do I'm going to buy it. Like I haven't pre-ordered a physical copy at all yet, because I don't know when I'm gonna do that. I'm thinking like, you know, it's a big game. So I imagine we don't need to preorder it. It's just going to be there. Yeah, right when we go so I'm not worried about it being like sold out or anything but it is going to sell a lot of copies. I do know that for sure. Yes. Yeah. So yeah, that's what I've been up to but for The else we've also been up to getting some artwork ready. And this one comes courtesy of Mateo one of our newest artists for the show and they actually made a statement for this new piece that I want to go over but really quickly. I wanted to just see how consider Geo I think I the first time I shared this one it was in the newsletter that he can use letter and it was mostly just the line art but at that point, you know, So yeah, now that you're officially seeing this new artwork. What do you think of it? Oh, I like it a lot. It's perfect for you know the coziness of January in the wintertime. I especially like the camera angle because it's something that you can recreating the games, you know, how you can move the camera around. Yeah, but it also kind of reminds me of those isometric type of games, which is perfect because Animal Crossing is a game. So I really like that in also the warm color palette it just goes so well. I really love the mood of this one. I wanted overall. I just wanted it to be unique. I feel like every piece that we get and wanted to be unique from the last and really just give off a different vibe a different kind of thing with it. You know? Yeah. And so this one what I wanted to see out of it was just like we never get to see just the animals in their homes unless you've played happy home designer because in that case you do get a little screen shot of that. Them enjoying their place, you know yet but this I really wanted it to be like here's one villager. Here's just them spending some time and having some fun in their little place and enjoying it while Nobody's around because all the other times we see that there's one unique I guess case in the very first Animal Crossing population growing where if a villager was in the same acre as their home, but not inside their home. You could go in and see It without them in there. Yes, that's right. Yeah, so there's that but all the other cases like you only really see the inside of their their home when there's a villager in there, but you don't really see one when it's just the Villager. Yes. They're outside of like I said happy home designer. So yeah, I thought it'd be really nice to have a character here. Just enjoying their space. And yeah, I loved it. The colors are really great. Um, yeah, so Mateo So like I said made a statement and they said this piece was a delight to work on I wanted to capture the Cozy feeling of staying inside and having a nice cup of tea by the fire during a rainstorm. I focused on coloring this piece with a warm palette and soft lighting to evoke the feeling of being safe and warm. Mmm. And it definitely does that one of my favorite little things is actually the the steam kind of floating up from the the mug that they're Yeah, yeah, it's really cool to see that and I'm always really amazed when people do super awesome stuff in our like that. Yeah, and I agree definitely captures the feeling of what we expect the villagers to be doing in their homes relaxing like we do in the games. Yeah. Yeah, and I mean, that's literally what I do when I'm in my home in Animal Crossing. I just go sit on the couch and I turn the camera around through different angles and I'm like, yeah, this looks good. Yeah, it's funny. The things that are just really entertaining in that game. They're so simple, but just so great and relaxing most of all. Yeah, I do really like the photos on top of the chimney as well. I can't really make out the character. I think it's Savannah who's in that photo just for a little photo of herself and then the left one. It looks I don't know. I'm not sure it kind of like there's clouds. I grind I like to imagine KK sliders there. But yeah, the other thing I really love about this is just like all of the plants and things and seeing the watering can and just seeing like how much Greenery they put around their house and that's mostly because the very first game when I played like I filled my place with plants. I wanted all the different plants and I put them all over my home. And so when my friend would walk in he's like there's so many plants in here and I'm like, yeah, isn't it great. Yeah, so it's just a fun way. To decorate and everything and I love the interpretation of all the different Furniture in the game. For sure to yeah, exactly. Yeah, the lamps are especially adorable. Yeah. So anyways, if you want to see Mateos work, they do some really great things. I found them from a piece that actually wasn't very it wasn't Animal Crossing but it was Animal Crossing inspired. And so they did kind of like a living space and that was like the birth of this. F for the piece there, so that's how I found them. But they have a website. It's Mark Martin new.com there. I it's confusing how to spell it. They're all in the description though their lord of on Twitter and then Lord underscore of on Instagram. And once again, all of these links are in the description for you to go and check them out and enjoy their work because it's pretty awesome. I really love what they did with this one. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. So Sergio, let's go ahead and move. Vin to what has become a staple of this show at this point. I think this is the fourth week we're doing this. Yeah, but we are going to be answering the 100-day countdown questions and they are pretty pretty fun this week. We have some cool ones just a lot of favorites a lot of different things to think about but I also want to point out like for we've been doing this for four weeks Sergio, it's crazy. We're already at this point. And we're going over your questions 79 through 73 from the days of the countdown and that is already less than I don't know 20 percent of the way through our wait, that's crazy. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. It's insane to me how quickly it's going. Today is Sunday and we're recording 25% of the way through like this is day 25 of our 100-day wait, and it's amazing that it's going this fast. I'm excited about that cool. So let's get into these questions are there should be a little shorter and faster this time around because you know that a lot of favorites. So the first one is for day 79 in the question is your favorite new Leaf Island Tour and Sergio. I'm interested to hear what you like. Mine is the official gardening tour. It's the one where you collect flowers and you're told a specific color to get but not the specific type of flower so you can get Any red or any yellow? That one is a lot of fun to me. Hmm. Yeah, that one is one of my favorites because it's like really hard to lose in that I think overall people do a good job. And but I think where the tension comes is that with when you do play with like more than one player like four players and everything, you're trying to plant more flowers in that space than anybody else. Yes, and if you do, You're going to get rewarded with more Metals at the end of the game. And so this one is like it's in one of the most balanced games because it doesn't take as much skill as some of the other tasks like it's literally you run to a flower pick it up. You run back you drop it. And so so I feel like as far as the balance goes, it's good with this game. It's pretty it's a fair fight whenever people play this one. And you know, you can have your different strategy maybe try to Snoop all of the closest flowers before everybody comes out. Maybe somebody goes way to the end and get a bunch of flowers on their way back, you know. So yeah, it's a it's a good game to play with people I'd say yeah. My favorite is a difficult one. It's the elite balloon hunt and this one I like it because there are several. Virile different balloon Hut hunts. The reason I picked the elite one is because the whole map is scattered in pitfalls. And so every step that you take you're really trying to look at two things at once. You're trying to look at the sky so you don't miss the balloons, but you're also trying to look at the ground so you don't fall into a pit fall because you are you're stuck for like a good I don't know five seconds it feel like and it sounds short on paper because it is It in the sense of that game. You're like, oh my goodness get me out of here. I can't do anything and I need the score and it's about to fly over the cliff or that River and I'll have to find a bridge and I don't know how so I just love that the tension that builds up when you fall into a pit fall because you're going to yeah, you're you cannot pay attention to both the ground in the sky and not just trip, you know, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so that's why I like that one. I was going to pick another one but This one I think is another that's just like it's good fun. And I love the ones where essentially you're against people in some way got ya. So I do like being against people in some of the games. So but you know, sometimes the teamwork ones and the one I was between was like the scavenger hunt one because I do like that one for like being a team oriented game, you know, but I felt more in a fighting mood today. All right, so day 78 the question was what is your favorite insect and Sergio? I'm going to surprise you actually probably it's not surprising. I'm picking the tarantula and I this one was another one that I was torn with because I thought I was going to choose the one of the Butterflies either the egg dries or the Rajah Brooke butterfly, but then I was like, but the tarantula it's just so scary. Re and there's like, you know, it's a very unique thing when you get hit by at ranchland you pass out and you wake up in front of your house and you're like what just happened did my game break? Yeah. I remember I just remember the first time that happened to me and I'm like, what did I do wrong? This is never. I never game over it in it Animal Crossing game, but that's essentially at you game over it, you know. Yeah, yeah, you come back just a little ghost of yourself. So what's your favorite Sergio - actually the VIS because you know after playing the game for so long you I got pretty good at catching them. So I welcome the challenge. I'm always I'm actually always every day. I would look for them specifically and I would catch them. So yeah like them now. Yeah, and you know, I'll tell you the bees always take me to the beginning of my playthrough of any animal crossing game where you know for those Animal Crossing Pros out there, you know, there's going to be some furniture hidden in the trees every day. And so you go around you shake the trees and you know, they're about there's some beads that you're going to run into from there here and there and I remember I would run and I'd run and be like, oh, here's this villagers home. I can run in there and they won't catch me and so for a long time like I'd start just by running away and trying to get away and then I found out you could catch them and I was like what that's amazing. And so yeah after that I started learning the ways to catch them and I too got pretty good at it. And I said, yeah and you know, they even like made one of the updates in welcome amiibo around the bees where you could now shake the trees with your bug net already. Okay? Yes. Yes. So that's a that's one way to make it easier to do that whole thing. Yeah. Yeah. So these the that's a big part of the game. That's a good choice Sergio. Yeah. Okay. So day 77. The question was your favorite Public Works project and start. Yeah. I'm really interested to hear yours. So mine is the log bench. Basically, it's a tree log, but you can sit on it. It just goes perfect with the aesthetic of Madeira, you know, everything is natural wood finish. It just went so perfect and I put it next to my wood pattern flooring next to the roost Cafe. It was so perfect. I love that in as soon as I can build it in your horizons. I'm going to yeah, and the log bench looks so good and you Horizons already to yeah. Yeah, their deeds their designs for a lot of the furniture are really great. And I think that's something we don't talk about much but we needed I think for Animal Crossing their furniture sets like the lovely series a bunch of them that have just been like around forever, you know, the blue series The Green series just all of these furniture sets. I think for me they needed an update at this point. Like we can't just have the same furniture for 20 years. I mean, it's great if you can because it means you don't have to replace Furniture as often, but overall, I think it's really cool to see a lot of the stuff get updated and I feel like the the log bench that you're talking about is one of those for sure. Yes. Yeah. So mine. My favorite furniture or Public Works project is the zen garden and this is you know, the sand garden essentially where people if you see them in real life, you know, there's usually somebody with a rake they're making some sort of patterns, you know to the game or not to the game to the I guess the garden is what I wanted to say. So yeah this I love I've always loved these I love seeing them I and it funny because I'm not usually like a dry landscape kind of person lately. I've opened up to it a lot more and I'm really more into cacti and that sort of thing but I really like the dry landscape of Zen Gardens. Like they always worked for me, you know, hmm, gotcha. And so but then also like I just love doodling I guess in dirt and real life things. Yeah, like if there's something that I can doodle in I will do it. And the Zen Gardens one of those so I love taking the rake and the sounds that it makes is you're doing like it's all very pleasurable and it's all you know, aimed at being very relaxing, you know, yes, and so yeah, I just love the look of the zen garden and Animal Crossing and it's yeah, it's like it's got a lot of things going on that work like the organization of it. Like you're just doing a circle around this rock and it just looks pleasurable. Yeah. Yeah. So Dave 76 was your favorite spin-off Animal Crossing game, and I'm excited to tell you all that. I keep going back and forth on these. I think last time this came up. I was team pocket Camp because you know, it's happens to be the Animal Crossing game. I play most right now. That's true. But before that I was team happy home designer, and I think I'm leaning back to team happy home designer right now. And it's mostly because people were talking about it in the Discord and I was just like really in the mood to play it lately. So I haven't but I could definitely go in and do some designs right now. Oh nice nice. Yeah. So what's yours Sergio? Well mine with the small notes that I didn't really play much happy home designer. So it was pretty much an easy answer when you think about it. That way. It's actually pocket camp, but it's more so So it's not only because the other option is, I mean well Festival it's also because you know when we went into pocket Camp, I kind of kept my expectations pretty low just to be on the safe side. I thought it was going to be a lot less than what we got. So it really surprised me. I really enjoy my time with it. Yeah. Yeah and you played for a long time you definitely like both of us were covering it from the early days for sure nowadays. We talked about it a lot less and it's mostly because it does a lot of the same things these days pretty rare. Dave will only really talk about it if there's a major update now which you know, there could be one coming up. I mean they always do one. I guess once the New Year rolls around so that's pretty cool. But yeah with with New Horizons coming out, I don't know how they're going to change up the game, but I imagine they'll do something you know, and but at the same time they almost don't have to because the to seem like very different experiences that are four different kinds of games, you know. No, yes, so yeah cool. So let's go on to day 75 and the question was what is your dream crossover? And I'm going to let you go for Sergio because I want to go off on mine for a little while. Nice. Well, I'm thinking it would be a crossover that we would add to the next Main Line Game in the armored cars in series and I would just add more more of a Pokemon crossover like we had in pocket. But I definitely want a lot more especially from the gala region the Pokémon from sword and shield if that's the approach we take that that would be great. But I would also like to see Animal Crossing characters on a different franchise and I was thinking imagine a mystery dungeon game with Animal Crossing characters in it. I think that would be pretty awesome. Yes. I yes. I want an RPG type of animal crossing. Yeah and doing like a mystery dungeon kind of thing. NG it's pretty cool. Like they are definitely already did like the desert island Escape game, which is, you know, kind of a really different take on Animal Crossing thus far so yes. Yeah. Yeah, I like those ideas and Pokémon. We I'm amazed at how little Pokémon there is an animal crossing considering like the the people who play Animal Crossing a good majority of them also play Pokemon, and so it makes sense to cross it. Let's get that. Yeah, and that'll come up a little bit later. But you know we'll get there. So okay mine. I want to go off on this for a little bit. That's why one second. I want Animal Crossing to cross over with theme parks. And I just and I know that's a weird thing to I guess crossover and think about it as a crossover, but that's what I want. So we'll say specifically the Nintendo World theme park or whatever. It's being called, right, you know. How cool why are they not making an Excursion any gift shop? I like that is a biggest missed opportunity of the decade already and it's just started the decade just started in there already messing up. Okay beyond that like there are so many cool things that you can do with the shops and stuff. Like if you make just a whole big shopping center, I guess, you know, like everybody's got their what's a gift shops and everything and all of the villagers are Working the shops and stuff like having a bunch of people in villager costumes and having the special characters in their costumes to to greet people and take pictures and stuff adorable. Yes, it works so well and then like there's just so much room for like cool carnival games and like many games. I guess you could think of them but in like a carnival-style and I don't know maybe you can win things trade them for bells when other surprises and I don't know just I feel like there's a really good opportunity to make animal crossing a really nice theme park and I don't understand why it doesn't exist yet because it needs to yeah, right. Yeah. So as far as rides though, I don't know you can make a train ride. Of course a taxi ride a bus ride dodo Airlines ride, like pretty much every mode of transportation in the game. Turn it into a ride. It'd be fun. I'd write a loved one. There I'm just saying there's plenty of things you could do with Animal Crossing to make it the Perfect theme park and also make a little cute Forest that we can go into and have fun all yes. Yes, even a swim park would work at this point to like an Island Getaway, you know, so it's true. Yeah, there's so many good themes and every these--and you can change the colors of everything and make it look like the season that you're in, you know, Yeah, especially like, you know, both of us are from Southern California where you know, you don't often get a lot of the different seasons there but like to have a theme park that does change Seasons while you're there. Oh, hello make it now make it. I mean, I guess I would be like kind of specific to it being in Southern California, but you know, it could be somewhere else where there aren't seasons and it'd be just as appreciated. Yeah. Yeah. These are all great ideas the Are we in the work? Yeah, so Nintendo crossover your theme park with Animal Crossing and we're good. We're good. There's nothing more I could ask about that. Nice. All right, so days 74 the question was your favorite animal crossing holiday, and I thought I was going to say something different. I thought I was going to say Thanksgiving and then I was like, no, it's Halloween. It's got to be Halloween and it's mostly just because like, you know, it's one of those where you do it throughout the month you're Eating candy and stuff you're getting all of your costumes and things it feels like what a holiday feels like the preparation behind it, you know, and so I feel like that's what captures a lot of the holiday season where it's about getting ready about having your place set up about enjoying it and then it happens and you have a good time. So Halloween, that's mine. Nice. I definitely like the the ones that are months in trick, you know, it's not just the One day it's like I said it for the season of that specific holiday, but for me, I pick one that is just one day and I picked it because it's a holiday only in animal crossing pretty much and I'm going with festive a lie, because you know, you have poverty there and you have your going around collecting the color feathers and then talking to the Villager. So I like that one. Like I said because it's it's mostly only in animal crossing and it's it's like a holiday that just comes out of of nowhere, you know, February or March. There's not a lot going around those times at least here in America. So I like that one. Yeah, that's that's a really good choice too. And I think it's fun to see like the the holidays that are unique to animal crossing. Yes, and that's definitely one of them, and I think it's a good choice. So day 73 the final day that we'll be going over and the day that we're at today 73 days away from Animal Crossing. Listening to this show on Tuesday when it releases. The question is favorite ocean fish. So Sergio, what's your favorite ocean fish? I'm going with tuna. I like the fact that it's pretty big and I do like tuna. I don't like a lot of fish. I think tuna is the only exception so for sure I had to go with that. That's a good one for me. I said the Napoleon fish and it's mostly because every time I've caught one I'm always He's like, whoa, it just blows my mind every single time. So Napoleon fish for me. Nice. It has a very very nice color scheme. Yeah, the bright blue is definitely a really fun cool. So let's go ahead and move on to our next topic and that is the Animal Crossing New Horizons news recap. So I guess if you missed it somehow we finally have started to get things from them. Endo regarding Animal Crossing and this first thing comes in the form of I guess 1/2 ish things. But essentially we got the first advertisement. It came out in Japan on January 1st, 2020. We got an English version of that same ad in the very next day. So January 2nd, so we didn't wait too long for it to get translated and then included with it was a box art reveal and we even had some tweets from Um Isabel, so I guess I'll break it down a little bit more in-depth but the advertisement covers I guess it just covers Tom Nook showing off the deserted island getaway package, you know, so we see a bunch of villagers and kind of a halt and they're being presented to it. You know, it kind of gave me some like timeshare behaves which if anybody has looked into timeshares don't because They are crazy. Okay, but anyways, so it's like Tom Nook, he's holding this presentation. He's showing off the deserted island getaway package. We're seeing all of these animals react to it and everything. One thing I found was a bummer that the animals seem to be the older models that Animal Crossing did you know, and so it seemed like they were updated like amiibo Festival models kind of because the animals are all still wearing their tank tops Isabel is still in her winter outfit. But at the same time I felt like it worked for this situation because nobody has moved to the deserted island yet. Like they haven't updated their look they haven't really, you know, they're not moved into that new spot, you know, yes, so it feels to me like it makes sense to have them in their old outfits and kind of their old look so but still I wanted to see them a little bit more educated. They do look really good regardless. Outside of that they had some words attached to everything and said a naturally abundant deserted island build a new life from scratch and an island full of possibilities. So yeah, just a bunch of stuff just saying essentially that we're starting from scratch and we've got a lot of resources there and a lot of possibilities there too. So it seemed like all of the characters were really into that idea especially Isabel at the end. She'd fallen in love because you know fun, I feel like it's also a reference. Dancing like Isabel just never got to make it out to the beach in New Leaf. Yeah. Now her whole life is the beach essentially that's so true. So I felt happy to see her like that and then at the very end, we got the reveal of the box art and Sergio. What did you what did you think about all this stuff all of this? And you add in the box art that we saw everything is looking really nice. Like you said, I like the way they presented everything that camera angles they used. Jiro as a cakey fan through and through the first thing I noticed on the box I did that KK is not there. It's not a deal-breaker, but it's a little disappointing. He had been in there in every game since wild world. So I don't know what happened. Yeah. That is a bummer. That's for sure. How many Bucks Arts has he been on he was in wild world city Folk New Leaf. I think that's it. I don't think he's in a happy home designer. Okay, so pretty much the key is going to be able Festival. Yes, okay, so pretty much almost all of them. Yeah, it's very rare that he's not on a box art. So it's a bummer to see for sure because I you know, he deserves a good spot in the Animal Crossing world. So yeah, just put them on box right next time people. Yeah, so let me kind of talk about the boxart a little bit so we on the box art itself. We see a couple playable characters and then we see Tom no. In the boys and then Isabel is there as well and we have fuchsia and Rod so fuchsia is the deer who knows she's been kind of the star and yeah in this game so far like she seems to be the big villager that's being advertised, you know? Yeah, and then Rod is a very interesting character. He's a little mouse that's dressed up kind of like pirate-themed, you know, or a sailor I guess but I like to think of it more as a pirate. So yeah, pretty cool debut for him there. I don't think he's been on box art before and I don't think fuchsia was either but like I said fuchsia seems to be like the front and center animal in this whole New Horizons game. And then from there the most interesting thing is the two new characters. Yes. We got a Dodo and a beaver and the beaver a lot of people are comparing, of course to chip who runs the fishing tournament and lo and behold this There is also a fishing so we don't quite know who the beaver is if it's a redesign of Chip or if it's one of chips nephews Sons daughters. I don't know. So yeah, I guess what do you think of these new characters? It's very exciting and at some point I thought when we saw the the new Beaver character, I was hoping I really hope this is a normal belly Cherry not a special character because that would mean we are finally. We getting regular villagers in the species from special characters, you know, like Beaver raccoon Etc. I really hope that's the case. Yeah, and I mean, I think it's still a possibility. I think the one strange thing is the character does have pants and I think a lot of people are pointing out that only the special characters have been shown to wear pants and statue. Yeah, but I'm like come on. Why are we not at the point where villagers can wear pants to that's to got sleeves they finally got sleeves. It would seem you know a good thing to give them pants as well. So, I don't know I'm I'm still kind of hoping that it's just a villager as well. But you know, it makes sense that the special characters have hand so it might just be a special character. Yeah. Yeah in the the noodle dough character looks very nice. I want to know their name. Yeah. I'm really wondering. I wanted to make a guess. Maybe we'll make a guess next week unless They somehow manage to reveal something before that and about the dodo, you know, but actually no, let's make a guess now. Why why prolong it, you know, I guess what would I name a Dodo? I don't know quite yet. What are you thinking Sergio? I'm thinking world. Oh, that's a good one. Weirdo. I'm gonna go with that. No dodo. It's a bird. I'm gonna call him Benny because of Bennie and the Jets rides a plane. So I don't know. I'm going with Benny. Yeah, so that's our guests were dodo and Benny are both going to be wrong, except not no Sergio. You're going to be right somehow. You're right about all these cool. Cool. So from there, I guess outside of that. We also got a few tweets from Isabelle. One of them was just a picture with Tom Nook in the boys. And it said no because looking forward to supporting us in 2020. Just talking about the New Horizons release date coming up very soon. And then they also tweeted out this advertisement. It was the English version of course and then the full New Horizons artwork, which is the cover art. But the rest of it so this cover art shows Apollo Bunny and Filbert a good friend of Sergio's and and the one real big surprise here that nobody really expected to see on this cover was Harvey in the top right corner. He is outside of his cabin and everything. So let's actually speculate on that a little bit Sergio. So what are you thinking for Harvey this time around? For Harvey, that's interesting. I'm I'm just expecting that whenever there's a new special character like Harvey maybe instead of sitting and Shop in your Island. They're gonna sit shop in a nearby Island sort of like Harvey looks to be doing and that's how we're going to be traveling from mini Island too many Island basically around your Island and in a way that might take care of the island expansion that some of us have been wanting so that's what I'm thinking as for Harvey himself. I don't know. Feature. Yeah, I'm I mean, I guess from New Leaf he was introduced as an amiibo kind of functionality, you know, so every amiibo that you put in well at least not every the the figures and the welcome amiibo cards those would show up as RVs in Harvey's kind of campsite, you know, so I guess from there like, you know an See guess would be kind of maybe he's worried the amiibo stuff happens again, but also like maybe you know, I kind of like the direction you're going with the Villagers kind of showing up there before they show up on your Island. Oh, that's true. Yeah. Yeah, so I don't know it could be interesting to see but I'm pretty I'm pretty excited about him making a return especially fun fact Harvey is one of three characters in new Leaf like the New Leaf that does not have an amiibo funny enough because you know, he's where the amiibo go. So yeah him Lloyd the gyroid does not have an amiibo and wisp even though wisp sort of has an amiibo because he appears as the smash villager amiibo but that's not a wisp amiibo. You know, right? Yeah. So none of these have cards nor figures. So yeah. Okay outside of that. I think that was all the news right? Yes. So how you feeling first of the year and they already gave us something. I know it's very exciting and it's just you know, it's making it's a good thing that the weight is going by quickly. But with this news in there everything looking so good and you know, it's still making things pretty rough, but we'll get there we'll get there. Yeah, I'm really glad that they decided to just be like, all right, we'll give you Then it's the first day of 2020 might as well because we've been waiting we've been waiting forever to start this like new cycle because you know, they gotta go all out with the game. They got to show it off. They gotta send people some cool things about it, you know, yeah, so all right. Now this next topic is one that I've been really excited to talk about for I don't even know why but I just want to but it it is called. Can you spoil Animal Crossing and Animal Crossing is a very unique game because it's not really story-driven. It's very life's image. You don't really have too much to follow in it, you know, so I've been wondering like how people felt about spoilers and what they considered a spoiler and everything and I guess before we talked about like kind of New Horizons, I did want to talk about New Leaf because I was our last experience waiting for an animal Passing game like this, you know. Yeah, I mean we have gotten waited for like spin-offs and stuff in between but I didn't feel like that weight was quite the same as waiting for New Leaf where the news was very scarce. It was a big new game that we really wanted to play and it's a Mainline game. So it's obviously going to have a lot more draw a lot more attention. So yeah, I guess how did you feel about the wait for New Leaf? Did you avoid news or where you desperate for it? I was keeping. Up with all the neeeews until the game came out in Japan and once the full game was out. I you know, I bowed out and I said, I'll wait for the full release here in North America. So the reason why is because before the game was out in Japan, you know, it was fair game from everybody. Everyone was on the same level basically and all the news were for everyone. I feel like it's different now with New Horizons because it's not going to come out sooner in any region that Everywhere, it's gonna come out everywhere at the same time. So I think it's on a for me. I'm keeping up with everything. I don't think there's anything to particular that I'm avoiding. I'm I am avoiding something. I mentioned that later. But yeah New Leaf was very unique because it took forever to come out everywhere else, you know. Yeah, and you know, you make a good point in two ways one is of course like how long the game was out in Japan? Before everybody else because you know at that point there was like months and months of stuff accessible that you could see for the game and I was definitely not one of those to avoid it. I was like, yeah show me I'm down. I'm I don't think and I guess part of that came from my feeling that like, I don't feel like it could be spoiled for me. Like I just kind of want to see something a Nintendo's not showing so let's let's see something, you know, right but the other good point You're also making is that New Horizons is going to be the very first animal crossing game that we all get at the same time even like the spin-offs that we've gotten recently. They never came out at the same time everywhere. They came out first in like pocket Camp came out in Australia month before and even the release of happy home designer was weird. I have to double-check amiibo Festival. Maybe that was the first one to come out everywhere at the same. Time but what makes the switch unique is that it's just it's not region locked at all. So there's nothing stopping you from going to the Japanese eShop uploading some Japanese eShop money, you know, yes, and then just downloading any game on there. So that force is Nintendo to put every single major release out on the same day everywhere and to some extent that does kind of slow down. The release dates and make them have to work more to get games out on time, you know, yes, but yeah, it's just like it's a very unique situation where I imagine we've been waiting this long literally because there's a lot of dialogue in Animal Crossing. There's a lot to localize and change and we've already heard that the games being localized in like Latin American Spanish for the first time. So not only are there dealing with new languages, but they're just trying to have all of these things. Dated before March 20 20 20. So it's a lot of work that goes into that, you know. Yes. Yeah. So yeah, I guess for me. I was desperate for New Leaf new so I didn't avoid any other gameplay and I guess my follow-up question there is do you think the or do you feel like the weight for New Horizons has been just different than you leaf. And yes, very different because all the news that we get our for everyone at the Sometimes I don't feel like I'm avoiding anything specific it's safe because the game is not going to come out sooner in a certain region and then we might get something really big is spoiled. You know, everyone is getting the same info at the same time. Yeah. Yeah, it feels like all the news is for us and even just seeing similarities between the ads already like the January 1st both the ads that we got were identical essentially. Yes. Japan got there at it was in. In Japanese, we got our ad and it was an English, you know, so yeah, it's just it's feeling like the marketing is aligned here and it's actually meant to come out in all of the regions at the same time. Yeah, cool. So let's talk about spoilers for New Horizons now and the first one is kind of more General Animal Crossing. But the first question is do you think Animal Crossing can get spoiled? Why or why not? Sergio I don't think so not for the most part I think if anything some of the most experienced Animal Crossing players, some of us may want to avoid something on purpose more on that later, I do have something that I am avoiding, but I think we're doing that on purpose. Like I said, it's not because it's a spoiler per se. Yeah. Yeah, definitely and you're right like we come at it from an angle of like we played every game so it's not like a huge deal for us. Some things to be spoiled for us because we kind of know a lot of what to expect already. Yes. Yeah. So for me I say I don't think that Animal Crossing can get spoiled and I think they're just for sure things out there that I think people would consider spoilers. But overall for me. The experience is something that can't be spoiled like no matter how much you see how much you play or you know, like you're going to play your own way and you make your experience very Unique to other people. So yeah, I just don't think it's something that's going to get spoiled because it's really just dependent on how you play the game overall. Yes. He's going to be very different for everyone. Yeah. So my next question is what would you consider a spoiler an animal crossing if you considered anything a spoiler? Yeah, let's say they show us a new a new location like a new shop or something that is managed by a new special character. If I feel like it would be nice if they show us a couple of details of the new location or the new special character. But if they show a little too much, I think that kind of takes away from the magic. Do you know the newness of the the addition to the series in also the music to me the music is the the big thing to spoil so that's what I'm avoiding. Yeah. I think the music can be spoiled. Yeah. Yeah, and that makes sense to like you can flood people with too much information I think for a long time. Pokemon really struggled with that where they just gave us way too much all the time. And yeah, the music is a cool one too, because that's going to be very special to to really just play your first few hours or first, you know, your first 24 hours because it's going to be an all-day thing and just hear all of the music as it goes, you know, so it's exciting. I'm really excited about that for me. I guess what I'd consider spoiler. This is kind of like the few story aspects that we get like the conversations with Sable. You know, I think it's fun to read those and experience them the first time as you play and then you know, I think it's fun to see what people think about it online later but like getting that kind of depth and more more character driven narrative from the game is very rare. So I think that could be a bit of a spoiler and then the other thing is I don't really want to see how the holidays work until I play them. Oh, that makes sense. Yes. Yeah, so like I don't really want to be spoiled on holidays. I just want to play them and see how it goes the first time around. Yeah, so then my next question is what wouldn't you consider a spoiler in Animal Crossing? Like is there anything that you feel like is just something you can talk about? I think honestly, I think most things are not a spoiler in the reason for that is because you know, let's say you see a feature or an item or a villager. Anything that you see in somebody's town or play through if you run into that into your own game, and that's only if because there's so much content in this game that it's not a guarantee that you're going to see everything or at least not enough a couple of years then even if you do see it eventually it's going to be in a very different scenario. Your town is going to be different the time the season the villagers in your town are going to be different. So it's very hard to spoil anything. I think like you said, it's all about the experience that you cannot really A spoiled that yeah. Yeah, it's all about like what you do with what you get. Yes. Yeah for me. I guess I don't think sharing advice is too much of a spoiler and I guess the thing with that makes in this is kind of a bigger topic than Animal Crossing maybe but I think like what makes humans themselves unique to other creatures on the planet is that we can record information and pass it down. Essentially. Yes. I like we have writing and words and I guess in this case typing and the internet and so I think like you're able to easily share advice with players on like how to get certain items. If and you know, of course the one constraint there is like some people just don't want advice on stuff and they just want to do it on their own. Yeah, like respect that and that's fine. You know, I might be one of those on in a lot of cases like I just want to do something I don't Be told how to do it, but you know outside of that like if somebody asks, like you're totally free to just say something. Yeah, I guess in some sense that police's itself from being a spoiler. But yeah, because you know so many people go before they start playing Animal Crossing they go and look at the face guide. Like how do I answer these questions to get this face? You know? Yes, so I think there's a lot of like advice that I don't think is really spoiler driven. It's just like You know, it's kind of improving the Aesthetics of what you have. Yes, exactly. Very well sir. Yeah. Okay. My next question is is there any information you want to avoid about New Horizons? Honestly, just the music I mean whatever we getting the Traders is fine, but I don't want to really listen to it until I hear it in game. It's just going to make it a lot more special. So yeah for me just the music. Yeah, that's a good one, too. For sure. Mine is essentially the holidays. I just don't really want to see what the holidays are until I see them nice. All right. I had one more question for you on this topic and it is is there any information that you absolutely need to know about Animal Crossing New Horizons? Yeah, there is one thing and it's been bothering me from pretty much the very beginning when we saw the map in the size of the island. I really Need to know if we're gonna be able to expand it or how our new shops are new band is going to be added. I just want more details on that if we can get more information on a lot of other things I'm all for it. Right? But if I can only get one thing it's that how does the island expand or how did the shops get added to it? Yeah, that'd be a good one to cover. I think before it's out. Yes, so mine. I just absolutely need to know pretty much everything else. I mostly I want to know but I guess the one thing I really want to know is just like if there's any other new Greenery that we can plant around the island, you know, like will there be new trees because they just added some to pocket camp and I'm like yes, I want those trees. They're super cute, but you know me like I love seeing the different types of greenery and stuff that we can grow. So yes like the other day. I was just like we haven't really seen bushes outside of the two that are planted around the houses and Yeah, the Villager homes, you know, like those are the only bushes that we've really seen them. Like I'd really like to see more bushes more just things that we can grow. We have seen the new weeds and some new flowers. But yeah, I'd like to see more of that. Oh nice. Yeah. Alright. So let's go ahead and move into Hagen's Islander corner. And for those of you who don't know every week on the podcast. We asked our patrons on patreon a question and read some of their answers here allowed for you. So this week's question. What is your dream Crossover with Animal Crossing and Sergio and I have already talked about that. We have been keeping in line with asking them one of these questions from the I guess the hundred day countdown. So Sergio, let's go ahead and go back and forth on these. Do you want to start out sure thing in the first answer is by Nikki Coburn and they say I would also like a Pokemon crossover. It would be really cute and they have already done some Pokemon. It's tough in Pocket. Camp. Pokemon villagers would be great. Yes. Yes, I completely agree. Yeah, and you know like you have brought up Pokemon being a crossover already. I mentioned that we would touch this topic again and I'll say this was not the only comment about Pokemon in being a crossover with animal crossing. A lot of people said this so there are a lot of people who are really looking for in some Pokémon stuff in Animal Crossing. Nice. It makes perfect sense. Yeah, so Miss Alice said Ed would love in Animal Crossing and Studio Ghibli crossover mostly for furniture. There's there could be Totoro stuffed animals and Kodama statues. I feel like so many movies. There's a lot to work with and making a Ghibli inspired town would be relaxing and a lot of people really liked this comment to because once again Animal Crossing fans tend to be Studio Ghibli fans to Esther says like their Pokemon fan. So yeah, this is a crossover that makes sense for sure. Yes, there is It sounds really nice too. So rain says my dream crossover is with Final Fantasy XIV another game where you also gather at fish. They create houses in Harvest since it's an MMO. I would love to see the armor from the game as cosmetic items iconic iconic furniture sets and maybe even Mughal or Chocobo Villages. Yes, the chances of it happening are impossible. But I Can Dream and okay, so this isn't something we talked about About a lot Sergio. I know you're a huge Final Fantasy fan. I don't know if you know that. I'm a huge Final Fantasy fan. I play. Oh, I've played a lot of them that have been on Nintendo consoles. Yeah, mostly because I usually had Nintendo consoles, you know, so I saw this when I was like I have to grab it. We love Final Fantasy cool. So then the next answer is from Kiki Vulcan, and they said if you're talking dreams then Fantasy Life, it would be so cool to go around Gathering Fantasy Life. Like tables and crafting them using Fantasy Life themed minigames and this one's really cool because I'm a big fan of Fantasy Life and essentially when you pick a path like cooking or being a tailor those were the two that I mostly did their little mini games that you play as you cook and make clothes and stuff. So I think that would be a lot of fun for sure. It definitely adds a lot more to the crafting mechanic but thus far it doesn't seem like it's going to be Like a very mini game themed thing. It's going to be focused kind of around collecting the right materials to make things, you know. Yes. Yeah, but it would be cute and I would love it. Yeah. Nice. So bunny says I have always dreamt of an Animal Crossing Tamagotchi. It would be so cute. Imagine having Isabel with you to keep you company all day plus the Tamagotchi characters would fit well in an animal crossing game. They are so cute and colorful Tamagotchi has had a few Nintendo collaborations in the past, but I don't Russian is the one I need right now. They definitely fit well together. Yes. Yes. I want this for sure. It's just like, you know, it's a little pet in your pocket and it's fun. Yeah, I would like that. So honey ocean said Rilakkuma. I love this cute teddy bear. It's better. I love it's cute teddy bear aesthetic and it would fit perfectly the stop-motion show they made on Flicks is super cozy and relaxing which overlaps with Animal Crossing to I love collecting real akuma's in real life. Let me collect them in Animal Crossing or not. Yeah, that's really cool. I looked it up and saw a little picture and it's cute nice quantitative analysis is Starfox. The characters are already talking animals in there are already modeled types for each member of the team that is a really cool idea. They could even have the fake voices that they used to have. Don't be great. Yeah, that's one that's really fitting especially like if you make villagers of the characters, it's one that works. Yeah, cool. So the next answer is the last one and it's from Lake Mount and they said I would it would be fun to see a Legend of Zelda / Animal Crossing crossover something like four Swords Adventures, but with your favorite villagers following you around and helping you solve puzzles. I love this because this is is like going more in the Zelda Direction, you know, it's a lot of these crossovers were very in the Animal Crossing direction. Right? So this one is really cool to think of like Zelda being a game that's has Animal Crossing characters. Yeah. Yeah, and that would be really fun. There's one game. I don't know if it is out yet on anywhere, but and I forget the name of it, but it's got this really cute like Fox character and It's essentially like oh they look like link, you know and they're kind of adventuring. Do you remember what this game is called? I forget the name, but I don't think it's out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and the other unfortunate thing is I don't think it's coming to switch yet, right? Yeah. I think I just followed them on Twitter. So let me see if I can see what they were. They were called really quickly tunic. That's it. Yes. Yes. So look up to Nick it's this really cute little It'll Fox dressed up like link and it looks like it's coming to steam and Xbox and probably some other places. It's probably only a matter of time before it comes to switch because if you see this game, you're like, why is this not coming to switch? Oh my goodness. I'm just looking at this little video of the fox making a snow angel. It's adorable. But yeah, that'll be your Animal Crossing Zelda crossover for sure. Oh, yeah. Cool. Well, thank you all so much for watching and tuning into this episode of hakken and Animal Crossing podcast don't want the episode to end. Well, you can keep the conversation going by Nintendo switching over to our Discord just follow the link in the description and you can talk with other people who love Animal Crossing as much as you do including Sergio and me want to support the show in a bigger way and get your voice heard during the show visit patreon.com chewy plays in tendo. 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This is the first episode of the month and the year! That means we've got some new artwork for Animal Crossing New Horizons. This new art gives us a look at the day in the life of Savannah. We discuss the new art and ready a statement from Mateo, the artist. Find Mateo's art here: Website: marceneaux.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/Lord0f Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/Lord_0f/ From there, we answer the 100 Day Countdown Questions for the week, the latest news we've gotten about Animal Crossing New Horizons, and whether or not we can spoil Animal Crossing. Finally, we end the show with Haken's Islander Corner and read some answers from our patrons. Time Stamps: 0:05 - Introduction 7:27 - Countdown to New Horizons Questions 26:43 - New Trailer and Box Art 38:18 - Can you spoil Animal Crossing? 51:42 - Haken's Islander Corner 58:27 - Outro Announcements Support my channel on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/chuyplaysnintendo Join the Haken Discord: https://discordapp.com/invite/wJTCMRK Find Haken: An Animal Crossing Podcast on Podcast Platforms here: https://anchor.fm/haken-an-animal-crossing-podcast Get More Nintendo and Video Game Content Here: http://chuyplays.com/ Follow me on... Twitter: https://twitter.com/ChuyPlaysNTDO Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ChuyPlaysNintendo Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chuyplaysnintendo Twitch: http://www.twitch.tv/chuyplaysnintendo Tumblr: http://chuyplaysnintendo.tumblr.com/ --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/haken-an-animal-crossing-podcast/support

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My name is Ron I will be hosting this panel as we talk all things Lucifer season 4 episode 5 expire. Erect. Yes. I said that correctly to expire Iraq today. We will be talking about the case of Earth but then get to the heart of the show with the case was really about Eve overstaying her welcome Yves. Agenda Lucifer needing closure Chloe needing closeness Ellis Revelation Maze and Dan are we still kind of shipping that or not think like a criminal Dan is going to the dark side. You are my father old Lucifer verse new Lucifer even Ella Ella Ella. Eh, eh amenadiel and Chloe's heart-to-heart is Eve good for Lou? Lucifer not we have some news and gossip our special segment circles of hell. Of course, we're missing Stephen Lemieux because he was thrown into a circle of hell and predictions are much much more on today's show Roxy overall thoughts but you think that they were the hell circles were mad at Stephen for having that be our special segment every week. So they actually just swallowed him whole Mike stop revealing our secret. You know, it's funny you say that because there are times where Lucifer is a much more playful show about Help but there are some shows specifically when I was watching Sabrina where I was feeling some type of way. And it's not like I'm a particularly religious person, but I was like, wow, this is kind of taboos dark stuff and you get nervous to talk about it. I mean here on AfterBuzz TV were talking about it to people globally and I'm thinking it is somebody going to come and get me and quiet me up talking about these God and he'll secret. I mean it could it could actually happen could happen because there are people you know, There are real. I feel like church of exorcism, you know international. Well father can lie for sure. It's coming together as a real father Kelly out there. I mean, there's no way that we make it out without him making an appearance on this show for better or worse and they done a thing where they haven't brought him up into episode. It's been too long. What are you planning father? What dangerous planning? Yeah dangerous, but I love this episode. It was amazing is exactly what I want looser defeat Lucifer to be and the thing about this is the case. Turned into a case with yeah, that's true. It was more. It wakes up the case. Exactly. Yeah, it is very much. I think it's great because we're at the halfway point now so we've got ten episodes season. This is episode 5 and usually right around here is when shows start to take that dip they get a little lazy. They don't want to show us all the action. There's a lot of Filler episodes not on Lucifer. This was a fire episode pun intended, but I'm sure I don't have Steven to 10 seconds later say That he gets my jokes. There we go. You still be doing more on very Stephen in the booth? Yes three seconds on that one. Oh, good good. Well, it takes Stephen Lemieux a little longer. So, you know, you had a you got to be slower than that. Yeah, sometimes it takes a little longer what this case the case. We're going to talk the victim Derrek Lee still had his car keys in his wallet and the house obviously had not been touched. Definitely. Not a robbery. No, then we find out the cause. Death was pressure washer jammed in his throat full blast. He'd hate when that happens. Yeah, it's kind of its kind of awkward. Yeah, I've always wondered what happens because pressure washers washers have a lot of force they do they really do people use them for many reasons. No, I mean, why did you how come every time you say something with a smirk? It just sounds wrong. I don't even know what these many reasons could possibly be, you know to clean things. Okay? Okay. Well I can you stop doing that stop doing I'm not gay. Bubble of not doing that. Okay. Well, here's the thing. Then we get a second victim sit Cluj. And of course the murderer was Marco Franklin Marco Franklin the very first person I'd like to say that I was the first one to notice this check mark Margo Franklin the very first person they spoke to the first witness was murdered but then for the fifth episode in a row on the show, I would think it gets silly or redundant and it doesn't but do you think most people at home have caught on to that fact, I think most people watch our After show have because you said it but I'm just saying until you finish watching it after she until you said it I did not relate those two things. They did not correlate to me. So I think in this one I was kind of right but then kind of time because they threw in a case a second case in which Marco is the victim stabbed by the person. He was looking for Leona Franklin God. I hate that God. I hate when you're looking for somebody and then they come and find you first. I thought this was interesting. I know. No, I know I've learned a lot from you Tehran about all these double meanings and I thought the most interesting part about this case was Chloe and Lucifer working on this case because of all of the closure references and what not and I think that the twist of that help this case go longer and that was all I cared about this case that it didn't end kind of like how they felt. I just needed it to keep going. We got something very interesting in episode 4 where Chloe I was on the case with Dan. It's like I didn't want that's why I wanted to not work with lose first because of how he approaches things and we see Dan going dark. Then we see the Lucifer do something very Lucifer is where he grabbed a tire the wall through it and throw it at the guy. I was like didn't have to chase him at all. He got tired. That was fine. So fun. It was so fun. It was like you I feel as if you told Steve you were going to make that joke before he is quickly. On it and that's our Steve was in the booth not Steven them. You not to be confused with the on hell. Yeah. He's seven can't do anything now. He's in hell. We got a variety of cars on this one. We got a Mercedes Goldwing just for the car Enthusiast or you are you a car Enthusiast. I am I've seen what you drive sometime a car person not not super. I'm not one of those guys was like I need this car but I like cars I like cars and I enjoy them and I've had a variety of Cars Plus. Also, my father has a mechanic shop. I've been around cars my whole life. Okay, so I really like good deals. So I like that more than I like called. That's the Jew and yeah, that's what it is. That is exactly what it is. I totally get it would love a good deal with the Persian blood and then you get the Jewish blood and then you get the black light. I'm like all y'all guys. Yeah, I need deals to live. So I really appreciate a car know nothing about a car. All I know is when something looks good and these looked pretty cool sure exactly when but one so we had a Mercedes going we had to ask. The Martin that's the one we're actually Lucifer switched out the Corvette for the Aston Martin. So even though they look similar. That was a classic Aston Martin and then we got the Tucker 48, which is a very rare car and then we got the even more rare 92 Geo Metro Polynesian green. Which one would you drive? Which one is your dream? I don't have a dream in any of them. However, I've always had a nightmare that I'd be driving a 92 Geo Metro Polynesian green. Well, I don't think it's ever going to happen. I hope not that's just one of those. One of the worst cars but it was such a good bargain. Yeah torn I'm torn were you thrown for a loop when Leona was the one to stab because she came in there. She came into the club. There was a hostage situation. Of course Marco would hold everyone hostage have the little bomb thing going and we started this episode in the like at that sandwich thing where we have no idea what was going on. I was not surprised because this girl comes in and all of her a blondeness and ICU blondes. We're not all just good. I know past your hair in case you want to know Roxy on iTunes listeners Roxy's blonde. Yes. I am and I pay a lot of money to be blond to thank you very much and I just looked at her like it was too convenient. Oh, I'm gonna go I'll just go in there and I'm gonna make it all better. And don't worry. I'll talk him down from the second. She walked in I was like, uh-oh. This chick is coming in Fierce, and she's got to And I've also seen this actress on so many other TV shows and I know that she's got range. So it would be silly to bring her in not for an arc. And where do you go from good, but to evil she fooled me. So she goes in there. She tells him I'm sorry and the Marco was like no it's and then she goes in for the hug and like stabs them. I was like whoa, but why would she have been so happy with him? She was so genuine. I'm so sorry. I'm are so good. And this is how you know, guys we fall for those things when you got fake it we believe you and this is a perfect example. I believed her. I thought that she did a good job selling it. It's always interesting when an actor has to act as a character because that's really what this was. She's an actress Who's acting as the character, you know, and I think that can be really challenging and so she fooled you how much more existential can we get? So we related the case. The closure and we feel that but before we got to the closure, we saw Lucifer feeling the dreads of being called Smooth in boob a she wasn't up to date on the slang, but she used the word boyfriend. So I'm also not up to date on the slang. What is the current hip thing? Is it Bay? Is it boo? Is it what do we call it now Roxy, you just say Rockies call the person by the name, but that doesn't distinguish what they are to you. This is my my love of my life Roxy. I just but I don't think she's ready to say that. I mean I just which one do you use? Are you single? Uh-oh. Okay. Does that work? The best one? I think that it was great that she threw that out there because she's so innocent. She doesn't really know and yeah thousands of years ago. Yeah bang someone once guess what they are your boyfriend boyfriend. That was your husband. There's no there was only two men whichever one you sleep with that sure perfectly. There was only one man and an Anna and I Satan and a devil or One man and a really long penis from what we heard about a banana. It was more like a banana the forbidden fruit what was being alluded to was that the forbidden fruit was a ding-dongs penis. It was a ding dong. It's more like a banana and trust me in news and gossip were going to hear all the people who want to see the banana of Lucifer a little plug there. That's a real thing. I don't see anything. So do you feel like Eve is overstaying her? Welcome. No, I don't because this Is the problem with men and women and relationship who hurt you Roxy all the people she is giving the signs like you are my boyfriend here is what I want and he behind her back is kind of iffy on it. But to her face is giving her the signs back. Yeah, that's what I want as well and she is not capable of reading between the lines at this point because guess what? She's like a newborn baby. She's new to Earth. She's not picking up on your subtle little hints Lucifer. All she knows is Guys are banging like rabbits. Why is that an expression the rabbits have a lot of sex they do. Okay, you're banging like rabbits all day long in the shower in the bed in the living room. She bought this eve costume. I'm wearing me. Obviously. She I did feel like the eve costume could have been a little more revealing just to let you know because we're on Netflix I on this looks exactly I was expecting it to be when you got a girl who's as banging as this girl. I mean, her body was Unreal and she's stunning. I Agree, it was a she's a little Eva sneaking a key. Exactly. So I thought that could be a fun way to play but whatever. It didn't really matter just saying she's gonna sit there and think you're her boyfriend duh. Yes, but on other no, hope my can I just okay. It's been a week. It's been a week. Okay for her a week wait you at that point in life. You only live till you're like 700k a week is a big percentage of your life Eve learn a lived for a long time. You've learned a lived for a long time and she's learned a lot. Sure. She's new to this Earth, but she's been on Earth before and she was from what we're getting the first person to cheat. Now that stories usually reserved for Lilith and it's interesting that we are equating that to even this one. I'm still confused on what we are claiming Eve has done and Eve story in this because it's hard to not take your knowledge of the Bible and relate it to me. And apply it so I'm having a hard time keeping things straight Also regarding the Cain and Abel situation. I had to really think about this show and be like wait Cain and Abel. Hurry, Adam and Eve's children. Yeah and think think about because you just when we watched the whole Kane storyline on the show, the last thing I was thinking about was oh canes mom's going to pop in and totally going to Bone Lucifer. So now connecting all of those dots as the people has been interesting it is Is it sit and we do have to apply our knowledge and listen to the story as they're telling it because it's a person's perspective. Right? So the same way King James is different than an orthodox Bible is just a different perspective similar some our story but a different take on it and her perspective is I'm pissed I was made to be somebody's wife. I had no choice in that and I don't want I'm not about that life. So no, I didn't cheat. I decided that I'm had personal thoughts also another characteristic that was traditionally. Or at least in the mythology was reserved for Lilith. Hmm. Why do you think they're doing that? It's II don't know what they're setting up. And that's where I want to get into. What is Yves. Agenda. Does she have a secret one definitely think she does especially with the cane thing with the cane thing. So amenadiel bring up the Cain and Abel situation made me think when she responds and was like, well, no he deserved to die after all those things. You're still a mom. You're a mommy and I don't know if any parent believes that of their kid it just it struck me as why did they throw this story in here? And then also now with all this foreshadowing and we'll get to Chloe more but with Chloe kind of giving her blessing. Yeah. I'm just thinking she's too good. This is too easy. Something's up with Eve It's All About Eve and I'm going to figure out what that mean. Did you ever watch Dogma the movie die I did and I huge Jay and Kevin Van mazing, right? The concept of Dogma was that when you could disprove something of God, then the world would end. Well, I think possibly there's a similar storyline with Eve because amenadiel brings up. Do you know what the ramifications of you leaving Heaven are hmm. Do you think God knows do you think God possibly sent her I think God is omniscient and omnipresent so It's interesting, but he clearly wasn't able to control Lucifer's actions was he or she not that is the question that is a theoretical question. So the concept is just because you know, something's going to happen. Does that mean you have to prevent it? And there's always the theory that God's understanding of the universe is so vastly different than ours that we often anthropomorphize God to make a god-like entity do the things that we would do. Why do bad things happen because we're thinking if I was God I would Let bad things happen. However, the same way that we know for example TVs exist and I could explain to you may not know how it works. But I could explain to you would you ever be able to explain that to an ant and the answer is no that is the difference of intelligence. I can explain what they would understand. Yeah, so I hadn't evil doesn't have the same meanings in God's universe theory. What if even God have teamed up to send Eve there because God does not want Lucifer with Decker and God's Theory. He is I'm going to send Eve. I already know that Lucifer will can fall for her and Eve is like I don't really want to go be with him, but I want to go to Earth. So I'll just use this fine. Whatever. I'll use this as my way there. I'll make him fall in love with me. And then I can stay on Earth for as long as I want. So the concept of freedom freedom of choice right free choice. Is it real or not? I don't we don't know. That's a theory that's people would fight over that all the time. So from Dakar to need you, that's the concept so my my thing is this. We do know that God always has an end of days game plan that's mentioned in every single revelation of every single religion basically on Earth and in the show Lucifer and specifically an agenda and Lucifer. So is this what do you think it is plan? I think that all things are possible when it comes to God and Tom pulice Stephen on me. I ask you a very clear questions are possible Lucifer needs closure. Yeah, he does and I think that this is why your girlfriend Linda is not a good therapist every time he leaves her office. He takes what you say and interprets it in the wrong way. Here's Chloe say the word closure and thinks that this is going to be the thing to give it to him. When we really this is the thing that opened the door again. He's like, oh, yep. Now I got that closure. What is he gonna do? He's gonna be her partner. I'm going to be working with you again. Is that closure? Because I'm pretty sure working with your ex does. Bring you closer not his ex is ex lover. I definitely never had do you feel that Lucifer does actually need closure would it be better off if they were apart? I I'm torn it depends on who Eve is and know you shouldn't be with one person because you can't be with another person. But if Eve is his soul mate and is the right match for him and is not the manipulative or malicious person that she could be that were theorizing then maybe Chloe isn't the right match for him but so far. From what we've seen season 1 2 & 3 I dig Chloe and Lucifer together interesting. So we get the situation where Chloe kind of digs her and Lucifer at least OH Close feeling it but girl this is sellers remorse you turned him away in his time of need. He showed you his face. And you said I'm looking at you Chloe right now that you couldn't handle it and now double Roxy I know. Well, I'm not saying that that's bad if Show yourself and you're like, yeah, I can't handle better the devil lover boy, then you need to leave Chloe. But yes, now what has happened here on another woman has come in and she's like, oh you couldn't handle it. Okay, no worries. Guess who can handle it bitch I can that's my man. Exactly and now Chloe's like oh you can't handle it. Oh, you don't have a problem looking at him. Oh, maybe I don't either oh, oh Okay, but why okay, so in the beginning we just we decided to examine why men do what they do, which is not communicate if they're feeling different. Why do we have that conflict with a woman? Well what then why what is it about a woman a woman being in a jealous situation which attracts the woman to? Yeah, so obviously these are vast generalizations. They can go for either sex as well. They're exactly what happens no matter what at all times that's true and free will God does not exist. So I think sarcasm for the people out there. Well, let us be sir. I told you guys were Jews we get to be sarcastic. I don't know if those things go hand in hand. I think that what's happening is Chloe assumed that Lucifer was always going to be there because he's so in love with her and she can tell that she took it for granted and she took it for granted and I don't think she thought that a he would move on but be so quickly and she was okay with hearing about and knowing he was being a ton of women, but it was when she realizes it's one woman that it's a huge problem for her. It's when Ella allows her to realize it was one. I was like, it's fine. It's one woman. Yes, exactly. Oh, wow. That's bad. That's bad because who cares? It's for Chloe. She's a grown woman. It's not about the sex. It's about who you want and if Lucifer is picking one person. He's obviously into her which is a huge problem. Glum, because Chloe only wants him to be in to her so she can have the option and that's another thing that happens is I don't want you but I don't want you to want other people but that's why I do love where we come to at the end. She seems really genuinely concerned for his well-being. Yes, and she does really want him to be happy and she knows the story of the Bible and she realizes maybe Eve is good for him. And that's a second. I thought maybe he's not before we continue one of the ways we keep all these shows for you free is by our amazing sponsors. And today Spotify is one of our sponsors on Spotify. You can listen to all of your favorite artists and podcasts in one place for free. You don't even need a premium account Spotify as a huge catalogue of podcasts on every topic including the one you're listening to right now on Spotify. You can follow your favorite podcast. So you don't miss an episode premium users can even download episodes to listen to offline wherever they are and you can easily share what you're listening to with all your friends and following on Instagram if you haven't done so already Be sure to download the Spotify app and search for AfterBuzz TV on Spotify or browse podcasts in the your library tab. Also, make sure you follow us. You never miss an episode of AfterBuzz TV. Well, my concern was the fact that she used the E from the Bible to allow for that Revelation because you don't know it's easier when it so this is biblical rather than it's just some girl because I remember I'll Chloe felt when it was when it was candy the stripper loves candy. Yeah his wife his wife. Wife and she felt unhappy wife. Yeah, that was a real thing that kind of happened. It was faint. But I also think that she thought that he could do better than candy for whatever judgmental reason that is what actually we can't he ended up being this shit amazing amazing the best but I think in this situation she's looking at even is like wow she cares so much about him. She stood by his side. She's so sweet. She's stunning. They're made to be together. I need to step back. Well Ellen. I'm like Eve it first Ella when she tries in for two seconds lasted all of two seconds. Yeah, it's hard. It's hard when somebody Cut You Catches you off guard and says your Ella you're the one that I mean as a woman, sometimes you can make up or as a person. Sometimes you make up your mind that you're going to dislike somebody for XYZ reason and then you meet them and if they suck then you can stick to it. But if they're great, aw, if they compliment you kill them with kindness. It's I'm such a sucker for that such an evil thing to do kill them with kindness. Your Ella goes in your amazing was first tell me all about you and they're making out by the end of the show. That's what drugs would do to you make you into a lesbian. Is that what drugs do is that how that works? No, I don't think so. I would throw out a disclaimer any second. Now throw one out there. Ella has a revelation of her own where she's like, I don't believe God. Yeah, this surprised me that we got to us but we are at episode 5. We've already seen her take off the necklace. We've already seen her questioning her faith and losing people in her life. She's it has been a slow journey to this point, but it's never good. You can have all these different realizations when you're on drugs. It is true and on hallucinogenics and on whatever you're on you can think you've come up with something but always question yourself and your moment of surprise me the next day. Day tips from Roxy because whatever she's feeling in that moment isn't real sure. It's just not she's got all of these different chemical reactions going on in her and she's decided God isn't real but it's not really her deciding that it's the chemical imbalance. So for someone who's always been sober I'm straight edge and it's not a religious reason. It's just it's not even like a something happen to me reason. It was just a personal decision. I've just stuck with it. I have noticed that people. Love to use being drunk or high as an excuse. But it to me. It's what they really felt. It's a part of them. It's just this is now exposed this. Is it all the way I think sometimes but sometimes not because there's different first of all, she's on Molly and cocaine because they thought was a good idea to get a Coke to her. Why what else would you use with Molly? It's La yeah, I guess so but what's going on is she's trying to answer questions and what you're talking about. It is, you know, drunk mind speaks to sober heart you end up making out with a guy when you're drunk the next day. You're like, oh I was so loaded know you wanted to yeah, you want some wanted to make out. Yeah, whatever it is, but this is different because this is this is chemicals going on in her brain making causing her to see things, you know touch feels different lights look different all this stuff and her deciding exactly Steve. Oh God, there is no God. That is not what her sober heart would necessarily think now check. And it might be it might be a new revelation you might agree with it. But I have a hard time believing by the end of this season. Ella is still an atheist. I think that she is at least going to be agnostic which means admitting. I don't know. I'm not sure or Lucifer is going to show his face and she's the bag well, so you think it's going to be Lucifer because I actually think it's going to be her personal agent angel that comes back. I mean that's a weird thing about the show that that angel still hasn't well because her Imaginary friends are extra episode from last night. I know she's an anyway, so it didn't actually have a place where it fit in but I definitely think it's going to play in this episode. I think it's because we got it. I think it's Lucifer and I think it's going to be that somehow Dan is casually talking to Lucifer or somebody and I was like, yeah, I feel so bad L is going down this dark path. She's completely lost her faith and Liz first going to bring a bag or a minute deal. We never Maze and Dan are we shipping that? You hate it? Aha. Love it. I love mommy more. I love me is to love me and I love Dan to but like bad down you want them to go down I do it because I'm gonna lay live vicariously through damn be I love dark tan is so much more of an interesting character than let's do things by the book Dan that look that anger. It's in him, but he is just amazes his drug. What is what are they going to do? She's gonna tie them up and whip them and bang them. I just can't picture the you know, how there's some couples. And you look at them and you're like I can picture them boning and there's a see them. I don't see I don't see the tie. Whip up. I actually think it's going to be the opposite where Dan takes charge and Maize realizes she likes it a little hand here or he's going to woo her and they're going to have sweet sweet lovemaking sounds I definitely don't see that happening the throat of phrase think like a criminal do you think that's a good way to catch a criminal? I think it's alway I don't think it's the lawful way which by the way he's a police officer. So This is so stupid down. I like it worked for Batman. Hmm. He's the world's finest detective the world real Batman at me and then have me that's how I feel about that old Lucifer first new Lucifer. We get a lot of talk about that the old Lucifer the one who sowed chaos and Destruction for his own Amusement. This is a new Lucifer we're looking to at least this is not the one portrayed in history and I feel like Eve mrs. Old Lucifer you ever fallen over some in a deal? Yes, and you ever fall in love with somebody and then they change that's happened to people before now you just looking at me. Yes too deep of a cut. It's one of those words if I ever fallen in love, that's a good question. Well, sometimes you fall in love with somebody and then they change and you're no longer in love with the person they are you were you guys either went you either grow together or you grow apart and I feel like Eva still in love with the idea of Lucifer based on who she knew thousands of years ago not in love with who he's currently presenting himself as and I do think that he's going to mold to Version because he loves to feel loved and it's going to be a really bad version of him. So maybe that's where the prophecy comes in possibly that's how it could play out. I am liking new Lucifer, but I would love to see old Lucifer with Mischief. I mean, it's just a thought or at least an episode and see what old Lucifer was always up to. Okay. It's interesting to watch. Well, if he does go into this darker place with Eve, maybe Chloe's the one to bring him out of it. That's the thing. Chloe is the light we have gotten some we have gotten a lot of Ation of how Khloe has some hand of Heaven in her creation. So there has to be a reason for that and they will not let this let that storyline go. I don't think the writers have been very on it the season I'm very impressed with how this play is because this could have been a Cheesy show and it's not I agree. I definitely feel and we see this in a minute deals closed and Chloe's heart to heart. That was a very strong one where I think that it's nice to see the two of them connect because talk often. Yeah. It's almost like we should have all of our characters check in with each other more you would think. Hey guys, we're all privy to the secret of knowledge of Good and Evil, which is Con the concept of original sin. Anyway, I was proud of her for going to him because I think it takes a lot to say like I need help and I need to figure this out and I'm going to look at this from all different angles. So I was I was glad to see this conversation. Well is Eve actually good for Lucifer? No, maybe oh I last episode. I think I said, Yes, and I think so and then this episode I'm like, I don't know what her intentions I feel like I'm Lucifer's mom was that make me Charlotte? Yeah, I'm Charlotte here. I'm thinking what do you want from? My son? What are your intentions baby? Girl? Well, here's my question to you. Here's my question about Eve Eve at the end did not like the fact or at least we get that look where it's Khloe makes you bleed, and I don't ya. She's vulnerable and I do not and yes women don't like why do you bleed sometimes and you don't and oh the detective. Yeah, I know going back for one second because I wanted to mention this in amenadiel conversation. What I thought was the strongest moment of the whole episode was the very last moment with him looking at her and saying your dad is proud of you. Oh, definitely that reach inside my soul. Oh my gosh and tore my gut out. I have no heart and still I felt oh my God, how could you not because anybody who's ever lost a family member somebody really close them? All you want to know if you believe or even if you don't believe that they're up somewhere down somewhere anywhere. You just are curious all the time. What do they think of the choices? I'm making what do they think of me? And for her to have that she's been negatively affected by every part of this so far and finally somebody delivers her good news, which is by the way. I'm an angel and yellow. I know your dad and he's brown because she clicked it clicked. She didn't get it. She let go because everyone how often people say to me. Oh your mom. So proud of you. It's like you don't know but he knows and that was the best maybe the best moment of the series of percent eat my whole soul. I almost had it. There was like had I been in a different state of mind there might have been a full T. Well, maybe you should try Molly next time it definitely does. Let's get into some news and gossip. All right, let's do it. So we've got something really fun for you today because BuzzFeed had Tom Ellis in and you know how sometimes they have you read troll tweets about, you know, Craig if somebody whatever this is the opposite of that people are so obsessed with him and crush on him so hard that they had Tom Ellis read tweets about people out there that are loving him that think he's Bay in superhot and Had to read those. It's a six minute clip. I suggest you go. Check it out on BuzzFeed because it's amazing. We don't have time to watch the whole thing. But this was one that I really loved Steve if you want to queue it up for us. I'm thirsty mum. You've just had a drink me the first for Tom Ellis never stop. Yeah. I can't really something that says mum on it without thinking about Tricia Helfer and Charlotte Richards. So good. It just like people have been tweeting all this. They're thirsty for Tom so So I'm one of those people I love him. I love him and I can't see anyone else playing this role. I know I have to agree. I he's so good. So check out that six minute clip again on BuzzFeed he reads he does the best reads and analyzes these Tweets in a way that just gave me all of the all the feels go check it out. Well, I gotta I Can't Get Enough Tom Ellis. I really like this person. So don't definitely check it out. Let's do our special segment circles of hell now just picture this. Even right now. Oh doing that rate that is it the fifth circle of hell where Stephen is in right now. The fifth circle of hell is anger. So in down there. Yeah. Yeah. He's angry. He can't be here while of course. Oh, yeah, that's a good thing. So how does this relate to the episode then? We get a lot of anger. We get a lot of anger when it comes to what was going on in the episode with what the murder I feel like. Yeah when you're murdering somebody usually you're Yeah. Yeah, we get that. I mean he was definitely upset. Mom Marco Franklin was upset. I don't think I and then Lynn Franklin showed. She was upset that Marco would try to call her out. Yeah, but what about other than the k something about our main characters was would you say that you've was angry about how he feels for Chloe or do you think I mean there's different levels of hell that I feel like might particular to that but if you Count some bit of envy and anger together. I would say that that played a major role and dark Dan is definitely angry is he? Oh he's taking matters into his own hands by his own hands. I mean mazes hand should take maze into his own hands to yeah. That's what it is. So in the circle of hell anger you are transported by on a boat by flag. Is it and Dante and Virgil see the Furious fighting of each other on the surface of the River Styx? And if you know anything about mythology that river is the one that leads you to Hell the think that that's how Stephen got there. No, I think he was dragged to Hell hmm drag down the river. No, no just right was literally dragged like literally they just came dragged him to well, I guess when he comes for his she ever comes back for our next episodes will see it what kind of physical condition he's in but he dragged it looks pretty good and she came back. Yeah, it was from heaven or was it who we will find out let's get some predictions. Whoa. Wow. your AfterBuzz TV you think that Eve possibly didn't come from Heaven All I'm saying is this is the concept of Eve is Lucifer is not in hell right now. We don't know what's been going on in hell at all. Lucifer hasn't even checked in. So you think you can get Sent From Heaven to Hell. Yes. Wow, and you think she might have been possibly wow, we still believe in free choice while we're in heaven. There's nothing that that stops IT. So she came up here to torture him. Then I feel that the cane thing was brought up for a reason. Yeah, me too. Pain is in hell. Maybe Eve went down to visit her son in Hell found out Kane is dead. Finally went to see her son. I mean, she's still a mom. Hmm. A lot of things can happen. I feel like there's a huge payoff twist. That's going to happen Okay. Okay. I theorize that Ella is going to make it so that Dan doesn't fall for Mays and somehow he's going to come back to the light side and there's going to be a little Smoochy Smoochy with Daniela Dan and Ella I'm saying it now. I like the I like the LA. Eve smooch, I don't think that's going to last you know, he liked it. Hey that could really happen until then where can people start dating you hmm. Ask his different way. Okay, where can people find you at Roxy stryer? Oh my gosh, no one's ever going to date her, but you can date me and I am Toronto across the board Facebook Instagram social media. I love to hear from all of you. And of course, we love it when you comment below Make sure to do that and you can find me hosting a slew of AfterBuzz after shows right here as we talked all your favorite TV programs right now. Our favorite TV program is some Lucifer. Yes. I'm Lucifer. 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It's the Lucifer Season 4 Episode 5 “Expire Erect” After Show! Apparently Eve's visit has more to it than meets the eye and Amenadiel's not happy about it. Chloe and Lucifer are taking on their 'last case' together because lucifer needs closure... whatever that means; and the case of the week provides a great twist in the form of a bank robbing ex! Oh wait. Lucifer also gets show, Ella makes out with Eve, and Chloe reads wayyyy too much into a sandwich. Let's talk about it! Join Tehran Von Ghasri and Roxy Striar! Lucifer is BACK! Cancelled but not for long! Thank god for netflix, and thank god for AfterBuzz TV, because WE'RE BACK TOO! Covering the latest episodes of Lucifer! Join us every episode for in depth discussion and breakdowns! There may even be some special guests so be sure to subscribe rate and comment! ABOUT LUCIFER: Lucifer is an American television series created by Tom Kapinos that is scheduled to premiere on Fox on January 25, 2016. It is a very loose adaptation of the comic book character created by Neil Gaiman for the comic book series The Sandman and its spin-off comic book series Lucifer written by Mike Carey, both published by DC Comics' Vertigo imprint.

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The number one way you can support this work is by sharing it with your family friends and networks, finally. I want to add a special announcement for any of you who are ready to dive deeper with embodied astrology and your life this Autumn from September 28th through October 2nd. I'm offering a very special retreat in southern Washington. We're going to be exploring the expansive potential and personal manifestation power of Jupiter and Capricorn. This is a year-long Transit which goes from December 2019 through December 2020 this three-day Retreat includes daily movement meditation art writing and astrology classes where you'll learn how To work with your own chart and you'll still have time for long walks on the beach hot saunas and good company get more information at embodied astrology.com in the Play and Learn section under Live Events. Thanks so much for tuning in everyone now onto your horoscopes. Hello Capricorn. Thanks for listening. This is your audio horoscope and month ahead forecast for cancer season cancer season extends between June 21st and July 22nd. This is the time of the year when the sun is expressing the light of cancer. And for you cancer is your opposite sign. So the part of the chart that is getting stimulated right now belongs to the idea of the opposite the other the opposite of you. Which in some ways is just any other person that you might meet your sense of yourself is very much built and evolved through relationship and relationships with anyone are going to expand and inform your sense of self. But this place in the chart is specifically given to important relationships and committed Partnerships. So keep that in mind as I talk about what's happening. Cancer is illuminated with the sun's presence throughout the course of the next 30 days. But this is a sign that has been quite active recently with Mercury and Mars transiting through the sign and the presence of the North Node here since last summer the North and the South nodes are the places where eclipses happen. The North Node is currently in cancer. The South node is currently in Capricorn. These are the times of year when we have eclipses and so as we enter cancer season, we're also entering Eclipse season the sun's influence brings more awareness and consciousness of this part of your chart to relationships in general to your idea of yourself in the social sphere and the sun illuminates the planetary influences of mercury and Mars Mercury is our connective capacity how we communicate with others how we listen and receive information if and how we're open to new ideas and then how we Press our own ideas and articulate our own thoughts Mars is our action. Our desire our will our Force Mars can bring assertion and aggression as I mentioned. The nodal axis is where eclipses happen and in the astrological language eclipses have to do with Karma what we are compelled towards because of what has come in the past the North Node currently in cancer is what we are moving. Towards the kind of experiences that now we need to move into cancer is a sign that is all about inclusion inclusivity family safety security bonding concepts of home and family and tribe Where We Belong what we belong to how we claim others how we claim ourselves and in the part of your chart that has to do with partnership. One theme that I guess is going to be present for quite a while now with the eclipses here until next summer and definitely over the course of the next couple months is how are you in relationship and a lot of the astrological emphasis over this this month certainly, but again over the next year with the eclipses here is resonating in the axis of cancer Capricorn and for you. Once again, this is the This between self and other so as I talk about the month ahead forecast. I'm going to be returning to these themes again and again on June 23rd and 24th Venus in Gemini makes a number of hard aspects of Venus's opposite to Jupiter in Sagittarius. It's Square to Neptune in Pisces and in conjunct to Saturn in Capricorn these aspects suggest a kind of frustration and maybe agitation or anxiety for many people. I think a few people might also feel them as energizing and positive but the hard aspects tend to bring a little bit more challenge with them Gemini is your solar sixth house. This has to do with your day-to-day your schedule your Rhythm your service your jobs your chores and also your health particularly with Gemini. We have themes of mental health and with Venus Venus can bring quite a lot of good energy into whatever part of the chart is transiting but these aspects Me speak to the need for you to be communicating and for you to be communicating clearly around your needs specifically with the aspects that Venus is making I really want to encourage you to ask for help when you need it. If you're in a position to delegate delegate clearly be as simple and decisive as you can so if you're asking for something try and just ask as simply as you possibly can if you're delegating. Dating something give the task ask for help. Let people know what's going on for you Capricorn has a tendency to take quite a lot of responsibility onto itself and to kind of move through life with like little bit of a tough guy attitude, like you're very accomplished and capable sign and sometimes you think that you're capable of maybe more than you need to be. So these aspects to me suggests that you And take it down a notch. You can let other people know where you're at. You can communicate about your needs and it's really important that you do. So on June 26th Mercury enters the sign Leo and Mercury will move back and forth between Leo and Cancer over the course of the next six weeks as it goes through a retrograde cancer. As I mentioned before is your opposite. It's the sign of you and relationship and Leo as the sign that comes after is the subtext of your relationship the deeper. Her emotional attachments and entanglements that you find yourself in with important other people as mercury enters this part of the chart, you are encouraged to express yourself and once again to ask for what you need, although this time in situations that have more to do with intimacy and vulnerability on June 28 Mercury enters its storm. This is the period of time preceding Mercury stations retrograde which will occur on July 7th between the 28th in the seventh. Take things slowly. This is not a time to make rash decisions particularly for you in this part of the chart that has a lot to do with contracts with exchange of energy exchange of money and things that may be happening a little bit below the the surface of your conscious awareness. This is a really important and critical time for you to be as careful and as attentive as possible to all kinds of agreements that you are making. These agreements include explicit written contracts spoken agreements, but also the implicit energetic agreements that you're making notice how you come into relationship in your life how you come into relationship with other people in general and especially with important other people. What are the expectations that you're setting up through your communication through how you are expressing yourself in your words, but also with your energy with your gesture. and with your behaviors Mercury retrograde through August second is a time when you're going to really probably need to reflect on this quite a bit questions around relationship and how you want to be in relationship with whom you do you want to be in relationship the agreements that you have in relationship how you're sharing power how you're sharing resources how you're sharing information how you're sharing your body if these are Intimate Relationships, these are going to be Really in Focus over the course of these six weeks and when Mercury is retrograde it's a time when we are supported to slow down to reflect to refine to remain all the re word prefixes. So heads up for that one on July 1st Mars enters Leo and Mars will Transit Leo through August 19th. Again, Leo is the part of the chart that has to do with intimacy's vulnerabilities and the subtext. Of relationship the deeper emotional entanglements that you find yourself in especially when there are issues of sharing sharing power sharing resources Etc with Mars in this part of the chart. You have support to take action to express yourself here. You're also cautioned around being overly aggressive and maybe being overly impulsive Mars in Leo can go pretty fast and pretty hard and this is a part of the chart that's quite powerful. There's a lot of stimulation with Mars in Leo for erotic energy. This is a really good time for you to be exploring your erotic self your sexuality your sensuality. But again to be careful about the ways that you're communicating and what kind of invitations are information you're putting out. It's critical right now that you are behaving and communicating in ways that really serve your deepest truth and Leo is a sign that can be quite performative Mars and Leo again can act sometimes in a hasty way, but the Mercury retrograde during this time gives me a little bit of pause and I want to say slow down enjoy yourself enjoy intimacy with other people but also slow down notice what's going on for you and I'm deeper emotional levels, especially especially because we have a new moon and solar eclipse on July 2nd at 10 degrees of cancer. So again, this is your opposite sign and a new moon is always a time that signifies new beginnings and the the start of a new cycle with the eclipses. We have the beginning of potentially a 10-year cycle coming up. So this Eclipse kind of supercharges the new moon feeling and power the magic of the new moon to signify a new beginning. And really to set intention for a new beginning for you. Again. This is the part of the chart that has to do with yourself as a social person yourself as in relationship to others and specifically your important relationships and committed Partnerships. How have you been partnering people throughout your life how have these Partnerships evolved? How have you changed in them? What do you know that you want right now? What are you trying to include? Cancer as a sign is the sign of nurturing mothering softness inclusion as a Capricorn person again, it can be quite easy for you to maintain this exterior shell of Competency. I think for many Capricorns. The growing Edge is softness and vulnerability and emotionality. This is the thing to invite in right now. You want transparency in your relationships you want tender. I didn't notice in your relationships you want relationships that are nurturing that are nourishing and where the bonds are cared for cancer is a sign that rules bonding and rules family and any kind of relationship that's significant. You can consider as part of your family and you want to feel cared for in these relationships and you also want to care for the people that you are relating with so at this new moon and solar eclipse. This is a time for you to really Really be intentional about how you're calling in this energy, especially because the day after the New Moon Venus enters cancer where it will Transit through the end of the month until July 29th, and Venus is such a loving benefit quality. This is such a good time for you to call in the kinds of relations that you want be that person for them be that person for yourself. If you're a person who's single or if you're a person who's choosing to walk more Solo in the world right now or that The circumstance be your own good partner call in platonic friendships and collaborations that are nourishing for you. So this doesn't have to just mean romantic partnership or spousal partnership. Although it. Definitely could on July 8th and 9th. We have several aspects including Mars Mercury conjunction in early Leo Venus and the sun cancer make a number of aspects to Capricorn and Pisces and we we have the second quarter square that half circle moon in the sign Libra, which is another of the cardinal signs and then a significant aspect which is the sun in cancer opposing Saturn your planetary ruler in Capricorn your sign. All of these aspects again stimulate the axis of self and other for you. They also stimulate the Cardinal axis including the signs Aries and Libra along with cancer Capricorn. This is really foundational Primal energy for you how you relate with others, but how expectations for relationships have been set up by the places in the people that you come from you're working with deep. It's this month pay attention to the ways that you perform or you act on autopilot. You're ready to step into a new phase of your Evolution be mindful about the ways that you're communicating be mindful about what you're asking for if you've been habituated in your in your Capricorn self to not ask for what you need to not allow yourself to be seen or allow yourself to be exposed consider something else. You can do something else at this time another aspect. Aspect that happens on July 8th is Chiron stations retrograde in the sign Aries and Chiron will travel retrograde through mid-December Aries rules the base of your chart the solar fourth house. This is the place of Home and Family Home and Family is an idea as well as actual literal things and people this has to do with your stability your safety your sense of security how you feel your own belonging and really, Are you ground yourself? And how you anchor yourself Chiron is a healing energy. It allows us to heal by developing our psychological awareness of what keeps us from not healing developing psychological awareness and skills for approaching with kindness with compassion with understanding the parts of ourselves in the places in our lineages, which have been deeply hurt the more that we can come into contact with this places that we can hold them. And see them for what they are the less power they have to perpetuate her. So this healing energy is not about complete and total resolution. It's about really coming into a space where we recognize the influences of Karma and lineage and how we have adopted these influences and continue to resonate with them as we come into more spaces of wholeness and integration. We become healing forces for other people in our lives over the course of the next 500. Six months as Chiron travels retrograde through your solar fourth house this suggests a time of really profound healing for you and recognition of the ways that you have been embodying patterns that have been set up in your lineage and how you're now ready to be free with them on July 14th, the sun in cancer opposes Pluto in Capricorn in your sign and two days later on July 16th. There's a full moon and lunar eclipse at 24 degrees of Capricorn and on this. Stay Venus in cancer also opposes Saturn in Capricorn Saturn and Pluto in your sign. Our influences that I've talked about quite a lot in all of your horoscopes for the last number of years. So if you've been listening regularly, you already have a good idea of the amazing and Powerful transformation that you are going through right now the aspects on these couple of days and the full moon and lunar eclipse suggest to me that you get a profound sense of Kind of self realization of understanding some of your own habits the ways that you have been relating that are not serving you Capricorn as a sign is associated to structures and traditions and with Saturn Pluto there and with the South node, which is what is creating the lunar eclipse. We have significance of something being let go what's being let go is attachment to authoritarian structures traditions and rules that are not serving us. Us that are not serving our growth that are keeping us in confinement or some kind of stagnant see, please let yourself be seen this is such a big theme right now such a big theme let go of ideas of your ambition of what makes you, you know, a valuable person in the world stoic - the kind of Capricorn sentiment of control responsibility maturity. You can soften you can allow your relationships to see you to appreciate you for what who you are and to love you there and that will really bring you the best results on the 21st, which is the last day of cancer season Venus in cancer opposes Pluto in Capricorn. So this another underlying theme or emphasis on this underlying theme Venus in cancer again is bringing a benefic energy and Relationship sector of your chart and Pluto in Capricorn is your own personal transformation, the more you allow yourself to be seen the more you accept love from other people in your life. And this is kind of a total idea not just one person. But all people see the way that you are valued see the way that you are held the more you can let go of outmoded or outdated modes of being in yourself kind of the iterations of your being that are no longer useful that you don't want to be resonating with anymore on the 21st to the Sun and Mercury come together for a conjunction at the last degree of cancer right at the cusp between Cancer and Leo for you. This is a very powerful place in the chart where relationships turn into bonds and we move from the more conceptual agreements of a relationship into deeper space of intimacy this conjunction between the Sun and Mercury sets up a new cycle that will extend. Through mid-november. This is a conceptual cycle where you have the opportunity to put into practice new ideas of how you want to be relating. It's a really powerful time for you to be meditating on your best intent for relationships and your growth in them. Please check back in with embodied astrology at the new and the full moons. These are eclipses on July 2nd and July 16th. I'll be offering rituals and podcast to help you understand these. He's lunar energy and it Clips energy more and work with them in your chart. That's what I have for you for now Capricorn. I hope you've enjoyed this horoscope and that you'll find it useful. Happy cancer season. Bye for now.

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You cannot you can subscribe to our support us on patreon. Anchor you can listen to us on iTunes Spotify anywhere your podcast and you can watch us and subscribe to us on YouTube where you can also speak about particular episode since there they live separately under there and you can comment. We got a couple of comments on their last time. I'm sure there's a there's a lot of stuff to say about bedtime and bedtimes and and yeah good times and the bad times that go with bedtime bedtime is the ultimate parenting and game. That's what you always have some weird. Announcement where you you have to say like something is the ultimate or the final frontier or the end games or hissing? You know, what everything cool it with the superlatives. Everything is binary in my mind. There's only like it's everything is finite. Did you have superlatives in high school? Like prettiest eyes are most likely to succeed or that shit and you like your book? Oh you went to your in England. 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Also, make sure to follow me and Pete so you never miss an episode of the dead and buried show. All right, welcome back everybody. As I said at the top this week, we'll be discussing bedtime. I got a lot of comments people are passionate about bedtime and it's in its trappings. I don't see why no me neither but we're going to get into that before we get into that. I want to talk about a little something that happened to me. This weekend went on a date with the missus. I was going to say does your wife know with with Mom and buried we sprung for a sitter? Mmm, and we decided to go see a new film. I said it's captivated the nation known as us Jordan peels latest in the director director of get out. Okay, and I'm not going to critique the film. There's a lot to get into with that a lot to chew on. Okay, was it as good as the other it's much kind of sloppier like broader like get out was very kind of singularly focused and thematically fucking pure and this is kind of the metaphor kind of spreads out and it's a broader thing. It was good. I liked it a lot to talk about afterwards. The fun part so we went to one of those Pub and Cinema joints where you can order food and drinks while you watch the film. So annoying those things now, they're playing good because it's One-Stop shopping for a date which is good for us because right we don't have a shit out of cash to spend. We got our cheapest possible babysitter and we took one train One-Stop did that and went for a drink afterwards? It's all fucked. No, that's fine. Talk to your wife because you're watching a movie but for those things when they bring it to you on those tiny little yeah is and you're trying to eat like a ham. Burger and well, we had them split it right. We we split the Fried Chicken sangui. Totally fucking wow. That is a good. Yeah, that's good. And we got we got cheesy tater tot appetizer. Okay, and what they have is they have a whiskey float, which I did not get this is Nighthawk Cinema in Park Slope where they have one in Williamsburg. This is the places in Brooklyn when I was a kid, they had a Milford Pub and Cinema in the offerings. It was a hot dog in the but the other thing is the if you get a beer or two beers. Yeah, then you You got to pace yourself in terms of when you have to go the bathroom. They don't know dude. I have I'm the worst when it comes to go to the bathroom for movies. I will go before the movie then I'll sit down and right before the movie starts like especially if I've seen the previews already or what are else. I'll run out. You know, I don't have to go to my psychological pissed. Yeah, because I'm just so fucking paranoid. Yeah drinking beer. I stopped drinking beer before movies because I know that's going to happen. Yeah, but you like beer I do like beer me and my friends asked we do drink a lot of beer like I used to like beer I still like beer but yes. So there's also an app called run P which tells you specifically when and where right? All right wearing what point in the movie you can like Risk leaving. That's it. Exactly like a logical though to just be happy. He look at it beforehand and it gives you like verbal cues or action incident you gotta remember that and then you're tied that hard and you know, what guess what I fucking remember it, but I didn't have having to go I had a couple of beers but I made it through good for you. The film was captivating. Anyway, we went to a bar afterwards and while we're at the bar afterwards. Our drinks I'm yawning a little bit. You know, why because it's fucking I don't know 10:30 11:00 on Saturday night and I have children and I'm tired and there's nothing left to talk about isn't it? I mean that my wife actually said that exact thing we've run out of things to talk about and like you said that every fucking time maybe we should get that on the list of things were done talking about anyway, so say there I'm yawning. I'm yawning because I'm tired. I'm a human being in my early early 30s and I have a handful of children. Your medical Marvel is what you write. I am but she like takes offense to it. She's like, oh am I boring? Oh, you're not having a good time and also like oh, you can't like I'm like, I can't help yawning. Yeah, right like even if I'm not tired, I could see Nate over there Ian. It would make me on right. It's like that's a reflex other physiological reaction to the state of my body. Having a good time so you don't want to go home yet, right, you know, although this conversation is making me want to go home honey, but you're sitting there at the bar looking around the room looking for people yawning find someone to yawn and then they are yawning. And then I'm saying look look that person just Yawn is a chain reaction and then hoping my wife eons, right? And then here you guess what and just got fucked everyone in the bar right on yawnfest speaking of yawnfest. This story's pretty good better than your pants story from a Few weeks ago just saying parenting is tiring work. It is tiring and that's not you know, who's not tiring for kids the kids especially at bedtime, especially at bedtime because no one wants to be awake more when you are desperate for them not to be to go to bed. And you know, why someone wrote a book about it called go the fuck to sleep. That's not why it is why of course it's why because the one writing the book is why no one writes an internationally acclaimed best. Killer number one in every single parents Library some not mine. Don't own it. I'd not neither do I know I don't know write it all out of jealousy because I could have been that could have been my book and when Sam Jackson reads it is. Yeah, I've heard back to that as I've heard visit. Well, he's good at saying the f word he's certainly is and that book is fatherhood is what I meant by that the f word you really really landed that joke. Thank you. Yeah, I came up with it. I was on the fly but bedtime is is This is what every year ago works for I love it wears them every time I've talked about it being kind of some sort of event horizon or some wow, major Milestone. It's all about getting the kids to bed. Well, so what we're going to get into and we have a little bit of a disagreement on what every parent lives for we're going to get into that in a minute. So I know what you're saying obviously bedtime is a daily part happens of the parenting equation. Never gets any easier every once while you get lucky, I'm 12 years in and it's still the worst. There's a lots of different bits and pieces to it. Lots of rituals that that every family has every kid has even specific rituals based on the kids. It starts when you know, when they're newborns, you know bedtime happens constantly over and over throughout the day, but that whole thing the Sleep routine sucks, but you know that right you going in your like you have no Illusions about what its gonna be like with a newborn right? It's when they start to get older that that you actually actually more have to really do real things. It's just a manifest. Yeah, right. You have to a lot of times you give them a bath before bed. Do you do that? Oh, yeah, even now to this day. Yes A hundred percent. It's the we have a very it's a smelly, you know, we do a specific routine of bed that in the bath. Yeah, that's pretty unconventional it is yes in our households you wake up a Twitter everybody go to bed to everything. All right. You know, there's like the Army. Yeah, you know I got caught there was a great helping you get in the bath reeks in here. Ya know that that bath really does it soothes it Sue's them I think the back is it does not suit you I know you have big problems with bath time when you're when you got a bunch of people in the bath and the but bunch of kids. Yeah. Well, this is getting dicey. Okay, let me let me try and let me figure out my way out at leaving Neverland. Yeah, let me try and figure my way out of this. My point is is you have kids or splashing around yelling fighting that and they're supposed to be I need them just to be bathed go through the process so I can get them into. Yes. Yama's so I can get them ready for bed. Well, here's the thing. Right? So like story time you want you want bedtime to be like a winding down process. I said, I've Canadian friends who say process and I've started to say a my wife called me. I don't know what you say process. That was funny. I love well, that's right. I forgot to pretend to see where he loved it. Anyway, so you want to be a winding down process like you have dinner you do whatever you're going to do and then it's bedtime is going to be all right, everybody start to you know, Fade to Black. Let's fucking slowly get you guys ready except instead. It doesn't matter if it's if it's bath time or if you're watching a show with the kids or whatever started to show my kid The Simpsons. Yeah before bed little some of us a little dicey for for an eight-year-old some some real violent moments a lot of blood a lot of blood but My kid, once you show you showed your kid Little Big Trouble in Little China though. So yeah and also Scarface. Yeah, right, but Simpsons cartoon, right? So, you know hit some more scratchy but I gotta care what you're doing. Once you say the words bedtime like my eight-year-old is starts bouncing off the walls right running around hiding, right? All right, come brush your teeth and I'll be in hiding you like this is not the time. I'm not in the mood to play right now because all of your energy from the day is now condensed. Yeah. You asked the last half an hour the last hour the lead-up to bed. Okay, here's good. Is it going to happen? Is it going to be easy? Yeah, right. I've been surviving all day long and they said Daniel like there's the Finish Line you're like this at the end where that's where the pain sets in because you can see the whole yes line. And these little shits will extend that got every minute it gets delayed the more furiously. It's like they have the tape the ticker tape that you need to break through and they're running they keep running away from you. So what's funny is in They know what they're doing. Right like because to them it doesn't even matter what they're doing as long as they are still awake still away, right? They just want to delay it right so somebody referred to it as dawdling kid dawdling, which I thought was pretty funny and a lot of people were talking about the same exact scenario where the kids stalling so it's bitchy. Mom reads called it kid dawdling quirky ziggs called it stalling you calling her a bitch mom. Yeah bullshit. Look the tone of her comment was pretty bitchy know her username was bitchy mom. Reads, okay, which I mean I guess good for you reading fundamental and lilz. Lilz. Mom said they're slower than a sloth and they are like they will just just just move as slowly as possible refuse to do all the little things they have to do like like my least favorite part I think is teeth brushing like the pre of the pre bedtime ritual. We don't do bass and night all the time or often. You know, my kids cares. Maybe when you hit puberty would do some bad. Sorry about smelling things seems like a bit. Of the projection. We got a lot of Lysol and Febreze right? So for Breeze now if I mean I can't smell them anymore. I don't know. It's the school's problem most the time but the toothbrushing to me is infuriating because I stopped kind of holding my kids hand when he was six actually brushing and I've stopped like helping him brush his teeth when he was 6 and apparently I did a shitty job of it because he is so bad at it does the they just put the toothpaste in then spit it right out. Of sometimes they the toddler will just suck it up dude. Like this is gross and I have an electric one for my eight-year-old. He doesn't know what he's doing. We'll just put it there. He does nothing. He doesn't even it's just it just it watching him is like I'm torn between do I want to teach him now and delay things or do I not and I always say no, I don't that's what you'll learn, you know Dentures when you're 20, you know, it's your prom and then he's then they spit into the sea. And who was it that said and it's funny because this guy was like dkc $12.99 which sounds like George Lucas film said always lose blue always leaves blue toothpaste in the sink. I'm like I use Bluetooth it my kids use blue tooth paste to my son doesn't kick to just eat but little does little bit Yeah at the slope of the sink just lean forward and spit right into the water dipshit. I know they can't they can't even they can't even do that. So that's and you're supposed to know you supposed to help your kids floss or your kisses the dentist gives Kitt I'm like I can't even get my kid to brush his teeth. Do you think I can't even get myself to floss right? I'm gonna hold the posture for my kid. He's not self-sufficient. Let's just be honest. Well should be if you were if I was like if he was Amish sounds a little kid would be fucking dominating it a lot of this is resonating with me to I think there's it gets that you mentioned the The Walking slow. So we have stairs in our permanent sort of weight snap snap Town. Yeah, that's that's how I that's how every single A person listening. Yeah, read that comment. Really you being a snob. Okay. Well the reason why I was saying we have stairs in our house is because when the kids go down the stairs it takes someone step every oh no shit one step every Friday, they stopped and like turn around and like gasping stop and then I'll be doing something in the kitchen come around and then look and know that they are right there Step 4. So you just assumed as anyone would they're considering their water down the stairs their teeth. Oh, they're just Just stop it there delaying every hour and I'm asking what are you doing? Oh, well, I just had to check if this one if my Koosh ball could hit the Wall come down and then I could catch it valid on the stairs actually sounds this that's kind of fun. Well, I'd be into that trust me once they're in bed. I'm on stare for trying it and I nailed it. Yeah, that's nice work nice work. But that's what I'm saying. Right? They'll do anything it even if it's absolute bullshit and they know it's bullshit. Right? So it's one thing when it's like a Toddler so I have a toddler now and we'll bring him to his bed. He has to have all his stuffed animals, which a lot of times it's like oh shit, you know, where's the little dog? Yes last night. So he's so obsessed. My favorite is when they hide it they hide it somewhere around the house and then they complain where is it? Look after your shit are then you ask your wife. Why don't you know, you're the person supposed to know where things are. Yeah, whether it's yours or not wife, right? Right. Exactly. Yeah the 21st century. Probably the practically 20. Where are my shoes? What do you mean find your own shoes? Why did I got married? So you would tell me where my shit is right God so you like your your wife literally won the lottery. I agree. You know, I mean be great. She is she's hit the jackpot. Yeah. So my toddler last night, he's obsessed with his new space shuttle. It's not even new. We got it at a Aerospace Museum in DC like a few years ago, and he's obsessed with it now randomly from past couple days. So he has to have all his Stuffed animals and last night he had to have his space shuttle, which he couldn't find when she's telling us his other places and I'm running upstairs looking in every room and then it ends up just being under his pillow where he is literally sitting. Yeah, as we're driving around on the scavenger hunt for it, but there's always stuff like that. Like he'll want to he wants extra kid can't even read. He doesn't even want me to read to him. He just wants books in his bed, right? Not that one not that one different one different one and then my eight-year-old who forgets his book upstairs. Let me just go get it. Who knows how long he's gonna be left upstairs and he goes and does that because I'm not going up there again stairs are treacherous on the sayaka. I've have a four-year-old and I time box it I say you picked up look timebox. Yeah. I say you have I'm going to I have this you have this much time in which I'm going to read. You need to pick a book and I'm going to read it. If you've also time, I don't know what to tell you. You're going to pick a Moby Dick not gonna happen overnight. You don't you couldn't even pronounce have to I don't even know ya any of the words that are on I can Call me Ishmael. Okay, you smell let's to opening lines. I've done from classics of literature. I did the best of times the worst of times and call me Ishmael. Congratulations. All right, last week was Twin Peaks this week gets literature. Wow, fucking well-rounded. I'm a renaissance man. Yeah, especially in the self-congratulations. Yeah. Well, you know what, it's all part of it. It's all part of it. So it's funny because today one of the reasons I was a little bit late for the podcast was because my toddler demanded I read him like four books. He wasn't even going to bet. Yeah. Right. So here's the thing about it though. I left before bedtime. So like my wife will Lord that over me like I did bedtime all by myself last night because we know it's a nightmare. It's one of the worst worst aspects of it. But you know, what's even worse is when you have two there's the both of you are putting the kids to bed and one is in a good mood and one is not in a good way. Oh, yeah. Well, I'm usually the one that a good thing. Yeah. I mean it kind of goes between That my household but sometimes I'll be having fun, you know, okay, come on, and then I'll year get your you know, oh, yeah, and it's why are they not in bed you I would have put him in the bed, you know ya know and I'm like, well, I'm just having I'm just talking with them or Hannah. No, I've got it. We're trying to watch a movie up here exhausted. They're going to be exhausted and I have to deal with it. Oh that shit here. We're going to get into one of this husband and wife. They should be trading cards the currency, right? We have a whole we have a whole Riff on that. That we're getting to it's a whole separate episode. We want to lose. Most of our female followers will get into that. Right? We yeah, we want to take your phone all the way down to zero. Yeah, we're getting there were getting there. So the what's funny is Karen in Star. I'm assuming that's her name said that one of the things her toddler will do is ask for an extra kids and mine does the same thing to we're all like leave the room and they sleep downstairs. I'll go upstairs and I'll start calling me back because he needs another kiss then I'll go back there. He'll need one for Mommy and I'll go up there. I'll go be like she's Coming she's not coming I go up there and I'll be like honey kiss. You want to just feel like I should be like fuck that. Fuck that. Fuck you. Yeah for delivering that exact tension. Fuck you for impregnating me with that. He'll spot right there. It's a lot of the time it's like that seemed from 300 where the messenger gets. This is Sparta. I've never seen that it's okay look stupid. It is stupid. Zack Snyder. His movies are garbage. I love Hot how I love how like Mindless it is. Yeah. Well, he destroyed Superman. So like I can go to hell anyway, so she said that she ends up feel like an asshole because she gets mad at them for wanting extra kisses. My wife gets mad at them for any extra. She doesn't feel like an asshole about just fine with it. Yeah, I feel like an asshole. Sometimes they're like, you're just like, you know, sometimes you're going down there and he just trying to get out of it and they're being kind of cute and like this. You know, what? This is I'm Gonna Miss This sometimes. No, I don't feel that way. I should feel that way. Like I'm going to miss this some time. This is the moment you should treasure know in the moment itself. You don't really think like that after the fact maybe you do and you prep yourself maybe for like the next day. Oh, I'll read them an extra book. It's good for Miss is such a tender moments. Fuck that. I want to get upstairs and get my bourbon going and watch John Oliver you watch John Oliver. I do it's great. He's leaving. How do you enjoying your bubble? You're liberal. Bubble. I love it. I need to it is good Conseco V. It is comfy. Cozy comfy cozy, man. You're welcome. I can't speak. So we're your kids the same when they were younger when they were when they were babies through toddlers. No, no, they're quite different meaning already one's a toddler now one's 8, so no Gap, but what from a sleep perspective was one always a pain in the ass to put to sleep and and then they change or was once a really good to sleep both been pretty good at like sleeping through the night early, you know, we did cry it out. Come at me fucking work like a charm. I did try it. I love it. We'll do that. We'll do that some episode people love getting I'm getting mad about that. That's true. Can we even put that on you? I but I think I just blanked it out of my memory because like I said, they are good at going to sleep. And for the most part staying asleep overnight except as we talk about the co-sleeping episode my eldest. It's gotten to the point where he will come up. He tries to get into our bed right? Sometimes it's like 5:30 in the morning, which we've actually been like fine. Like if you wake up at like 5:30 or 6:00 fine, right? But other times if it's like midnight will bring them back down, which is Hell on Earth the toddler although he now has a daybed in somebody here. Is that what it's called we converted his crib into a toddler bed and somebody here my peanut Adventures, who's it was a loyal follower. Thank you said the one of the worst Parts is the transition from the crib into a real bed, which I have experienced recently because you go from like having them enclosed in a cage. Yep to them being able to get out and come upstairs. Oh shit, just the other night. This wasn't even my toddler the other night, Mommy very and I stayed up a little bit later than normal but wish to say it's like midnight when we're like lying in bed and like saying just having her final conversations or whatever in the lights are out and you're not home, right? You know that song and All of a sudden we hear know we don't all we don't hear any noise. We just here. I've been spying on you might like an eight-year-old Stan. I could even see him just standing in the room. I mean, I guess I scared and angry at the same time. I'm like, what are you doing and 1 million percent what he was doing was assuming we would be asleep. He wanted to coming up here and then he could sneak into bed right after we have we fallen asleep. So my toddler doesn't do that because you made sure he knows he knows. Even that like we remove the bar from his bed, but he finds it spooky right? He can't he's a little behind on speech right? So when he says he doesn't like he goes like to indicate that something spooky. It's fucking adorable as fuck. It's amazing, but he's terrified but he'll say he won't come but yeah. Is just loving lock it in but he won't come up by himself. He'll come up it's funny because when he does come up, it's because he's following his brother, but when he comes up, he's got all four of his five of stuffed animals in his arms. Yeah coming up the stairs crawling up. But yeah, I mean they look they're probably pretty good. The co-sleeping thing is the only big problem in getting up early lately as well. But I wanted to I wanted to come back to the question I had which is from baby to now have they always He's been a pain or have they always had the same tree, you know traits like have they been good sleepers or bad? Because you know like years and I've gotten progressively worse. My oldest kid. My daughter is 11 almost 12 easily danger zones approaches to put to bed. Well that must be hard when they're very much older forever, but can't you be like for you know, go watch TV all but she's always been always been a really tough. Tough person. She's headstrong bleep. Yeah, I've read we've raised really independent strong-willed children and I went biggest mistake. We've ever 100% we obviously you need weak-willed. I need weak-willed simpletons that you can manipulate and control. Yeah so much better. I've said it before and I'll say it again stupid kids are better. Yeah and every and literally in every way until you're older and they're still living in your basement. I'm pretty sure that's why my wife married me. So just to just to hopefully bring some stupid kids in the equation. Yep backfired. You're welcome. Wow jokes on me or is it wasn't a joke. It was sincere appreciation for you mind your friendship. Yeah, so but my son was didn't sleep the first year didn't really sleep very well at all. And it was going to be the end of everybody because it like colic worst. It wasn't exactly call again together that I guess he didn't nap and then but he did sleep at night, but now he is a good sleeper Maybe. The world champion sleeping he will we will go somewhere will travel and he sleeps and he will be like you say, where's my bed at and we'll just point and he'll that's amazing when they asked to go to bed. I have a question for you and because it is a little bit different for you because your but I deserve your oldest kid is older my oldest kid. I've got right you're paying for on the other end right much as Zuma's Revenge. So what time do your kids go to bed? Because I asked my followers and the thing you learn as I already knew this but it gets backed up by all of them. I get worried that because my kids were getting up at like 5:30, right and I'm like you don't have to be up until like 6:30 at least and on the weekends are going up super early and I'm like, maybe my eight-year-old is like going to bed too early or putting them to bed like 7:45 a time like and and we partially do that because the toddler won't go to bed with us brother now, but I kind of feel like maybe we should let the eight-year-old stay up a little later which I do not want to do for a variety of reasons. We're going to get into but the thing that you learn is it Doesn't matter if the kid goes to bed at midnight. He's still getting up at the crack of dawn at 5:30. Every time I had a meme once that was the greatest trick the devil ever played was convincing you that your kid would sleep in if you let him stay up a little later, which is never the case over the kids not even close and they are there demon children. You know, I hate it. I know a we with our oldest kid, we put her to sleep at, you know, we you know, we would go out we would have fun. Oh, you know, she'll sleep in she note of it. Oh, yeah 30 I think you're tiring them out. Like they all she's gonna sleep and then 11mm iron, they're tired and the whole it's just it's not a good situation for some good parent. Well, now what happens with school in the mix is now they're exhausted in the morning, right? So I am in I've to wait yeah, they won't get up but on the weekends they get up on their own right my two girls will so this one. Say my two girls sleep in the same room when I come in I wake them both. They're both like exhausted. They don't need they hate it. They don't want me to be there. That's it like seven. Clock. Yeah, I'm in their room at 7 o'clock. When the weekend comes I've been spying on you Whispering them when the weekend comes they're up at 6:00 and I ask my daughters like what what is the deal and she says I don't know. I just like the fact that I can get up early and relax you son of a bitch right like you like to get up early and it's like Christmas every day. They don't have school is like Christmas for them right there just like I get like screen time or whatever and for us like this the 6:00 a.m. To 10:00 a.m. Window on the weekend. When we want to try to sleep in is like the most lacks time of the week where they can just if they don't bug us and you do what they can get away with some shitty wire our electrical system. I don't really they can do that. Wow, not just our smart want to do it. They can not solve give him the give him a show. I don't even care. Oh shit. There's OSHA compliant. How many days since the last wiring accident electrical accident too? So, but the The other thing is because they're older they can get up and I don't we don't even have to deal with them until yeah. That's what I'm saying. It's my toddler my four-year-old. He's not a Tavern. Where is he? I don't know what it was preschool preschool. Yeah. I mean think it goes to pre I always say toddler from basically for me from like 1 to 6 is toddler 5 so kindergarten I would say yeah, he's a pre caps. Okay, he's again shout out to my boy because I think he's really he'll get up you met your son when he decided to my boy didn't mean like You know DJ Jazzy Jeff or something. No, not dj. That's not who you're referring to my boy. Yeah, not this time, but he'll come in. He'll read our clock out loud six dot dot o one they said these kids are smart and then I'll dot dot he's guess what silence not looking good for him dot dot so then eyelid so I say you gotta come back at 6.30. Should I stop that? What's that that that that called? You know, what's it called? But if a colon on a clock, I don't know. Is it I guess it's a calling someone a mystery. We're going to find that out. Everybody knows go to YouTube. Yeah in that comment on the episode. What the fuck is the dot dot man antediluvian. We need help here. What's it mean? So so he what I'll say is you got to come back when it's 6.30. You can go to sleep. I don't want to go to bed. All right. Well, you can play or read quietly in your room. And guess what? He does fucking plays a reads quietly in the room. It's really I'm like I said, we're getting it on the back end because we got Up front is a nightmare, but it's like you've gone through the wars. Yeah, I'm still going through nowhere. What will come on up. Oh.well I got it. I just got to say this this last weekend. There was a point in time where my wife had dropped my son off at the library for a playdate. So she was going to go off and go to like do yoga or something. That's something she wanted to do. I was literally with my two girls. They were entertaining themselves. And I was born my own home in my own home in my own apartment and just had this feeling that I hadn't felt in so long, which was what is this? This is I have free to go by yourself. I'm free time to do what I want and I realized what it was it was happiness. So wow. Yeah afterwards. I would like you to tell me a little bit more about what that's like. Yeah. It's been so long why I immediately started journaling. So I went there goes there goes my happiness. So that's what I want to bring up. So earlier you were talking about like the final Tear the Holy Grail whenever you're stupid, all of the superlatives are hyperbole about point you make some pronouncement about the parenting. Yeah, and we've said this before and I'll say it again. The best part of waking up is Folgers in your cup. All right. How did I know? I don't know how you know you grew up in England, so I don't know how you knew that. Anyway, is that Taster's Choice over there with Giles? Nobody knows we're down. Once again Giles from Buffy was in the Taster's Choice commercials. Okay, which I don't even think we're British commercials, but they may have been there. He's a British gentleman. Anyway, so the best part of your parenting day is the two or three or four if you're lucky hours in between their bedtime and your bedtime, which is why getting them to bed is so urgent and which is why when they call you back for another kiss or because See how water yes, you think you're done, but it's gotten to watch for us back you back in for us and this happened last night. Like we know right we're both down there together. We're both giving the kids kisses no matter what we do. We try to head off everything. They ask Yaya last Unitas order. Here's this is always one more thing where they want something and they call you back down. So I like what I like when you call out everything you're doing. This is your last yes worms that you're not coming back. You wanna buy special as your last batch say I'm not coming back. No calling. Yeah. So one person actually said this that it's very annoying that when they For a toy Joe Lieberman said when they want a toy that they can reach themselves literally last night. My kid called me down to turn on the light in the bathroom, which he is like as close to as I am to you, right and I'm like dude I get down there. I'm like what is going on? I can literally like what do you want? Like, I'm not coming back. Although I come back every fucking time and he's like, oh the bathroom light I'm like buddy. If you fucking like leaned over you could just flick it and turn it. It on why do I need to be down here for that bullshit? And then my toddler is I got a shit-eating grin because he knows we did it. We got on the fucking down here again, right and I'm trying to go back upstairs and trying to watch fucking lost boys. That's a quote from Reservoir Dogs and fucking nail it again. I'm back in the saddle with the references. Anyway, we're trying to watch a movie or a show and every time they call you back down time gets it gets cut into so you either have the choice of I'm not gonna be able to fit the whole movie in. We'll split it up our friend. Splits up movies. Sometimes he watches a two-hour movie over three nights. It literally makes me sick to my stomach. Oh my God. That is I know it's tough. But I do it's not a you shouldn't even be watching the movie anyway, so or you're faced with you know what I'm staying. I didn't get the pure unadulterated me time. I wanted or me and my wife time that I wanted so I'm gonna stay up too late. Like I'm going to stay up later than I should show everybody and then no, but then you just you're so desperate for that way. Window of time and the next morning you feel like garbage and it's your kids fault and then it happens all over again sleep deprivation is it's real is a Geneva Accord as if not, I'm not when the Trump Administration is done with it. Okay, putting it out there. Yeah. I know what it said. We're not going to hide anymore. All right. Well, I'm not afraid anymore. Okay, good. That's good you and squee means wait, I like beer. Okay, I dislike Trump. Sorry free country. So, oh, here's what I don't like though. I think we can all agree is when your kid comes up after you've put oh, yeah. Yeah, they kind of the room. So my the this is just an example of the Arsenal that my older daughter has wheels. Yeah is so this is this listen to this. I am listening 20 minutes. Of good night. Okay, 20 minutes every you know, it's when we say to you know, she's coming back up you so just imagine your mindset and your body and your you either just enough to be just about to eat your made it through so, yep. You're just just at that point where you're starting to be like I think we got this guy's. Oh guess who's coming up the stairs? And guess what's happening up? She's in tears because something happened what is with his sister? Nope, my elbow. I can't tell us although I can't or my Nurse they just I can't I keep my socks. My socks hurt. My stomach hurts. My stomach appendicitis really. Have you tried drinking water know what? Why don't you try drinking your fucking water? That's the next to pay ya in the bottle Kerr and now me try that and then come up here and and then she wonders why I don't believe her at all whenever she says The Girl Who Cried cried a my fingers hurt, right? That's a weird one. That's let's never thirst quenching. Yeah, right what I don't care. She knows she'll come up with every single ailment like oh my head. Yeah. So my son and that is just so crutches to imagine that moment where for cure of escaped. And again, we're talking, you know, stardate 12 years in every single night coming up next our date, you know what I mean? Like you want to kind of like every Captain's Log dance log stardate came up again 20 minutes in just To take maker spite of my fucking dinner. Here. She is and I have to do it up put it down to dinner now have to get up and go downstairs. So I got from the readers a list of some of the things that the kids want, right? So they they want to stay up. They want to drink Hillary Jacobson calls it The NeverEnding dehydration. Oh, yeah the water. Well, there we go, the water CW bullets as I'm going to tape a damn hamster bottle to the bed right pretty good idea. They want another book they want a toy. They have to poop that's like you want to get mad at them and I God damn it fuck right like for my toddler who's like learning to be potty trained. What am I going to do? Now? You gotta let us scream in his face and scare them away from pooping for the rest of his life. That's no good, you know dramatize the kids bowel movements again. My four-year-old will get up in the middle of the night and we'll pause it. I just have to he'll use the bathroom. He said he sounds like an old soul. He'll use the bathroom and I have to use the bathroom and then he'll go. Excuse me. Excuse me. Excuse me, so sorry. And then and then he would heal do it'll be like three in the morning. Does he wearing a tuxedo and then he'll say yeah, I'm going to need to wipe. So yeah like this guy and he is I haven't seen him in a while man. It's 3:00 in the morning. You just okay. So somebody else said that the late homework need which I haven't run into too much. We're like, you're putting the kids to bed them like oh shit. I gotta build a diorama or I need to bring in Rice Krispies Treats or something tomorrow. Holy shit. It that is Nolan on he said that the inevitable 11th hour. I need blank for school. Dammit. That's a good one. Yeah God. That is a good one. Ah, that is the worst. You don't you finish all your homework, right? Oh, no, I just have four pages of math. Yeah, wait what and it's due tomorrow for it's something that you're tasked with doing like I need to bring in cupcakes or whatever. I forgot to tell you. It's crazy hair day tomorrow exactly and then Brian Gill 21 said stall tactic the thing he hates most of the stall tactics and the outright lead. Eyes, right cuz like that in my fingers hurt or my socks are that bullshit anything they can and then you lose your temper. Now, this is something I never heard of. No, please. I don't know if you have Veronica baloney. I don't know if it's supposed to be very honorable Anya that's virani baloney. I don't know what supposed to rhyme there handle you might want no. No, I got the hand already said know how to pronounce it. She says. If she's upset, she can't sing The Goodnight Song without crying. What's the good night song? I don't know to me. It's like sleep tight. Don't let the bedbugs bite then. Let's go the fuck to sleep obviously, but I really don't know. There's a spoon song. I really like called The Goodnight something can't know the name of it because I don't like it that much but there is I guess I lullaby how old is your kid Ronnie? Belani? Yeah. I don't know Roni bologna bologna. I don't know what that is. I think I want to know shut up. A lot of profanity in The Goodnight song. I'll give a fuck about what you want. So I Furlong said that something that makes bedtime for them so much earlier our melatonin gummies over the counter. Whoa melatonin. That's some that's some special ops shit, right? I get involved not chloroform not even Benadryl for everybody gets all up in arms. Although I'm not opposed to either of those things. No, not at all melatonin gummies, man. Just an all natural get that kid to sleep. Damn, right? Yeah, that isn't even though they must have been through must have been through some shit to finally go to that and been teeny mentions the challenge of when you finally get the kid to sleep in your trying to get out of the room. This is a little bit more. So for toddlers and babies, you know, inevitably your knees crack or the floorboards Creak as you're getting out the door you bump something in the kids back away because when they're babies a lot of times pietila back easy to take out Just got fully trigger getting the back to sleep. Can that can derail your entire night? Like you can't reason with them you wake them and then just cry Haiti. Yeah just triggered like really bad. I'm sorry. We should put a trigger warning before we get into that the what that was. I remember just you know, 25 minutes of rocking and just soothing and then that the the hand off to bed and you got to make it this looks like Ray's a lost art perfectly and then just backing out. I remember having to make the shushing sound with my mouth. We need a white noise machine. We have one of those. Oh, we had like 12 like all over the but we had we had one we had but it was me and it required me shushing for 25 minutes and then slowly going out of the rack and then of course there was the time where you hit the door and yeah, and then that's Sinking Feeling Just That Sinking Feeling, but why did I have chalk on the baby monitor? Order when when you're like five minutes in and all of a sudden like what was that was that did that happen from the baby mama? And you're just everyone's Frozen you just Frozen In Fear And then I can life if the wake up happens whether it's a baby the toddler you gotta decide between you please turn is it whose turn is it turns I was with them all day. I just spent 20 minutes fucking shushing a baby in a room. I guess what it didn't work. So get your ass back in there. All right, which I do I'm like Forrest Gump that way they're like getting at It'll but that does happen. Right we're like bedtime become so stressful and fraught with tension that you end up snapping at your wife. That's why I called and you're in an argument. That's kind of what we called the end. Yeah, because it is a fan of most wouldn't it be amazing? If you could just snap your fingers and have your kids disappear know just like melatonin. I went somewhere else rushes through their body and the Melatonin gummies get dispensed. I got to look into those melatonin gummies. I'm gonna 200 I think we forgot to mention. So when you are reading the kids books and they can't read yet skipping Pages. That's a glaring heck. Yeah, that's the best. Oh, you don't know the stories about you. Don't understand it. I'm making it up. Guess what? Yeah, but then it's got a new bicycle Flip Flip Flip the end. How about this when they become self-aware and I'm like, well self-aware like Skynet. Yeah hell of a second and they go back. Yeah, though that there's nothing worse than skipping and your name State pull the pages back. You gotta go back and then they go back to the wrong one. Yeah. You're 20 minutes in just down the rabbit hole. You just got fucked kids kids are garbage. It's just be honest and they are this is it. This is all we have left is just talking. I love this though because she Maria Quran says about the bedtime routine. She's like doing the same thing every night. Sometimes I just want you to go to bed and not read any books, right? And then that's what I want to do every night, but then you get the guilt like, oh my like I need to develop Of I need to read to him. I need man. You don't you know what that that's what's needed not yell at them. That's what's and then you know, yeah. Well, it's too late for me. But I will I need to give a shout out to my middle kid. My daughter who is now at the point where I'm like, okay, honey. Can you put yourself to bed? Sure. No problem. Dad. Oh, yeah and literally tears just start streaming down my face of happiness and see what our kids are the same age. She'll come down. I'll come down. And the lights off your she's 6 months older than detected much. I think right he's not doing that yet. I think she's she's kind of reacting to her older sister. Right just doesn't do that. Right? She's a goody two-shoes because he really, you know, watch the devil child walking working a charm. I love it. And then you got the then you got to mr. Tuxedo sir. Mr. Tux. He's got manners. Excuse me by that need a wipe. I need a white mind awfully if you wiped my bottom. Gross, gross no. No I'm asking you. Oh no ya later. Yeah, not one not on camera now. Yeah sure as we always do now that's our podcast. Anyone know what that but. That would be called cool. Well this man I actually feel a little bit better. I feel a little bit better because you realize how much worse I have it. No, I just wanted to vent. Can I tell you something? Nope friends of ours just had I said no. Okay, God damn it. I hate this fine. Go for friends of ours. Just had a kid. It's just a little bit regulations. I'm sorry. Yeah, exactly. And the first question. I don't know. How's it going? How is she how she sleeping and the answer amazing? Oh, yeah, which point I'm just like burning with anger. So we had friends over that is the ultra are they sleeping? Yes or no when they say no you're like, oh I'm so sorry to hear that. So we had a party so we have friends in the neighborhood years ago when I first Kids were born they're born the same within a month of each other and we had a party like that Christmas or something. I think you were there and the friends were over and they got over little bit early. So our son was still awake and then he would have been like to if that and know what I just say, we're a few months now he was holding that so it's like one have to and we go and put him to bed and they're they're like in the dining room and I'm like, okay, I'll take Detective Munch this time and I go and I put him to bed and I come out like two seconds later. They're like That was it like your kids in bed right now because it takes them like that every like five books and go through all this rigmarole from like the beginnings where you were saying earlier where they always a bad sleeper getting them to go like once I get my kid into bed. He falls asleep quid I we never had to do that. Long thing. It is the stalling now that he's older. That's the problem. He's a decent sleeper. He's just a prick right right when he's awake. He's doing what he can to avoid it, but once he's in bed and he like because they are. No matter how much they deny it. Yeah, and they will fall asleep. But to that point I know I know people I know Dad's that will sleep in the in the bed. That is a to get me started her all night like in the bed with him. I mean what the fuck you gonna do you gonna basically they're going to be you're going to be in bed for at least half an hour. So you're basically a project where you're going to go to sleep yourself, right? You're going to wait they're doing it on purpose. They're doing it on purpose so that the kid can go to bed. That's why I'm like fuck that cry that fucking shit. Exactly. You're donating your life you ruining your life's about the kids development, which is again, if you're get him into the fucking Mills and have like I'm not even gonna go into like codling the kid or spoiling the kid whether I'm just saying you're just hurting yourself. I just hate that it makes me feel bad. It makes me feel really sad everybody involved. You know, I think we should end it on that note. I feel bad for what everybody yeah, including positive what a positive way to feel like that's how we end all of these things is It's like unreal downers. Well, you know what? Hopefully we'll get a few more patreon subscribers. So the we can our mood will be lifted. Yes that it would be amazing. And if you have any specific comments on this episode itself go to YouTube subscribe on iTunes and Spotify to get all the latest ones. What do we got coming up get a conversation going we're going to be doing we're going to be doing traveling with kids soon. Evelyn we're going to be doing is we're both going away for for spring break, which is a yep together just us two just us two leaving the kids and their wives behind. It's gonna be magical a lot of but wiping reciprocal but wiping yes Sports I think is well. We're going to cover Sports. It's all all these topics but keep those all in the hips those topics coming. We want to hear ya head us up, you know where to find me. 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Hi, my name is Duncan and we are the fancy Football Fanatics this week. I'm joined by Matt in London been in LA and Gary at London man. I'm going to come to you first. What is your football moment of the week? My football moment of the week is it slightly linked to Fantasy? Because I always watch football through the lens of fantasy.It was Liverpool's first goal against Arsenal where Van Dyke was horrendous lie found in the area and was claiming for a penalty right up to the point that the rest the team was cheering the goal that matter but just headed into the back of the net so I thought was quite amusing and I personally wanted that penalty to be given and the go to be ruled out so that I could get my vvd assist and then maybe a salad go all those that I came through in the end. I guess at some points. Yeah. He didn't he didn't even start smiling. when the goal when Continuing to test about me. But yeah pull it was quite long as the ref. Yeah just be like, yeah right suits me right? I'll give you a penalty Louise cool. Yeah, he cool. He he he conceded two penalties and that game it just is very fortunate than that. If scored before it could be given with the with the foul on Van Dyke. I think it was sokratis who was holding Van Dyke whilst trying to head the ball away from that it so much multitasking. It just couldn't Focus on one properly so he missed them both that classic Arsenal defending match by David Luiz as you say, yeah enjoyable game all around and say well, yeah, I mean, I I said that David Luiz was going to be good fun. You know Arsenal have been a bit of a joke for a long time and now we've got a clown. It's all good. It's all good. I'm fine deep breaths deep breaths and Gary. What was your moment of the week Football week? So I'm going to I promise I won't pick Sheffield United defeats every week, but I was I've been quite enjoying The comments from the Sheffield United fans online. I think the guardian Football Weekly said Barry glendenning was saying out there are supporters are a cheapie lot. They're always going on at something. So I kind of wanted for kind of very vociferously booing Jamie vardy, and I know you sometimes boo players who played for your rivals or his crime was merely to support Sheffield Wednesday. There's no other reason why they were booing and one of them these a Wednesday fan. Which seems to be taking a bit. It's also use on the youth books at Wednesday, but he got released. There's never a played Beyond about 17. I think you don't want to wind up its Jamie vardy. It seems like the kind of It kind of like little aggressive guy who kind of thrives on it. So when he scored that goal and he just stood in front of the United fans kind of cooked in Zia's there's a wonderful photograph of all the United fans giving him some polite feedback, but I think Bobby loved it. So so well done to him. Yeah, that was definitely a moment that I kind of a highlight of the week just Varley being sovaldi and he's back. He hasn't been around for the like the first two game weeks, but now he's back. He just needed that negativity. Get back in the game. Robots to play Sheffield United every week. And what about U Ben? What was your football moment of the week? So my football moment just just saw a tweet from BBC sport about the athlete band song, which Duncan you broke to the masses one week earlier. So ahead of the game are pod way ahead of BBC Sport and then they interviewed Ashley Barnes was like, oh have you heard about this song about you? He was like Yeah, Joe. Heart knows all the words to it and they play it before every game in their in their changing room so seems to be working for him still banging them in so I thought that's quite funny. It's my football moment because Duncan you were ahead of the game. Well, we were ahead of the BBC on that but the BBC were ahead of us on the Pookie song So after this the end of this week's podcast, we're going to have the Pookie song featuring which is just as good. I mean just as Yeah entertaining. So yeah stay tuned for that. And yeah, of course, I love your highlight then actually Buzz. That's so cool. They play it in the dressing room and nice one. My my football moment of the week is is probably going to be less enjoyable for you been it is Manchester United losing at home to the team look like they couldn't score any goals the Crystal Palace and they made Jordan. I you look like a good player and Yeah, I mean Matt's been saying it for a couple of weeks now and man, you know, just wait and see just wait and see it might not be you know, the second coming and it yeah, it's all falling apart. And yeah, so I guess my heart is I love Palace. We all came from you know, we all went to school apart from Gary who went to school up north. We went school near Palace so nice to see them doing well. Yeah, we were robbed there as far as I can see from the highlights should have been a couple more penalties to our to us and they scored their only two chances a bit annoying but as a manufacturer at least for pain entertaining football, so I'm still on balance. Happy happier than I was this time last season. You're just you're just so contrary Matt before you're like, I'll back you like know they're amazing. I guess I'd like to be balanced in some way and say you know what? We're okay. This season like we're not great not good, but everyone's insists on like going to the extreme form and you I think all the time so the commentaries either that man you are completely complete shambles or actually building a really good project that could win the league and it's probably somewhere in the middle vote for yourself. You've gone for McGuire. I love you brought in Marshall. Yeah, so I slammed Marshall, but I'm going to say that you guys convinced me on last week's pods that Marcia was probably worth the pick. DEC 7 and a half million man man you Striker who is at least on good form and I thought he'd be picking up his his bonus points for clean sheets as well alongside McGuire, but alas, no not last week to hear letter later week one end. Fair enough fair enough. And so that's our football moments of the week covered. Let's have a look at our fbl moments of the week and Gary. I'm going to come to you first your FPL moment. Okay. Well, it seems like there's been an exodus from most of your teams with most seller in going out. So I was there I think only me and maths in our kind of group on the are still have him and I was the only one who captained him. So I was doubly supporting him yesterday against Arsenal and yeah, I mean, he's such a kind of a such a thrilling player that he's almost we kind of taken for granted now and he kind of makes extraordinary things look really simple like those two touches where you just kind of controlled it and then David Luiz and then the way he kind of ran inside my real someone real couldn't get back to tackle him and just stroked it in and it's a solo goal worries. We see the ball back to goal. But he almost made it look like a formality so so that and the penalty obviously getting those 15 points. I was having a rotten week, but then most our can just save your team if he's on form. So those 30 points Really boosted me was it you on our WhatsApp group was saying most Alice saving people's game week since 2017. Yeah. He's like a he's a bit is like a lifesaver. Yeah. He's one of those it's I almost put him in my team at the start this season because I didn't want to watch Liverpool games knowing that other people had him in their team and I didn't because I learned the hard way at the end of last season how that can go. Yeah can go really really badly and Matt. What about your FPL moment of the week? So I made three transfers this week. So 4-4 hit and it didn't really come off other than shit Teemu Pookie who I know like a lot of people have jumped on board with but it was a it was very enjoyable to actually celebrate alongside of a fantasy managers and knowledge fans this week is as Pookie slammed a good what 11 points scored the goal and go on an assist. Which is fantastic. So I'm all aboard the Pookie train now and can support for the rest of the season who else to bring in apart from Pookie. So I bought in diinya and Marshall and subbed out Trent Alexander Arnold's or fund the whole thing and I use a prayers done nothing. So I missed out on Trent's assist. I guess I got Marshalls assist but I guess having bird four points for that. It's still a negative overall moment, but that that Pookie alongside Silo and Sterling has basically might have had a fairly fairly decent average e above average game week. So it's rolling on pretty well so far. Nice one Ben. What was your FBR moment of the week? Not many highlights. So like you Duncan went for the sneaky early wild card. So my thinking behind it is I normally this type of manager that wild card. Have done it in normally game week for I think the past couple of Seasons no meter kind of I take an early read of what's Happening earlier in the season and I try and build value early on I think my wild card this year has kind of spectacularly backfired because I was in I was top of the league but I don't think I am anymore. I think my thinking behind it was a really wanted Kevin De bruyne ER and I had a double Bournemouth. Attack Wilson and King, which I really wanted to get rid of and I see like they're being like four main plays for big hits is really the Sterling cane solid the boy. No and you can't really afford all of them. So I went with Kane still in good boy know this based on fixtures. Obviously Canaan do anything today. I thought they should have had a penalty that that wasn't given that in VAR messed up quite a lot this weekend. Also I had R Ashford he misses. LT as well. So I below average week for me. The only good thing was on my walk. I also got Pookie and as well, so yeah, I think I'm going to stick with it but not having seller in could prove to be a mistake. I love that you're saying you think you're gonna stick with it. I mean getting most other in is not the easiest thing after a wild card is a yeah, it would it would have to be like a back to like Cain to Greenwood and then I don't like trois odd to salad. Or something like that. I just thought I just thought Spurs This fixture on was so good and and Kane I think a little bit fitter the start of the season and I thought you would have the bit between his teeth but not proving the case because Potter Tina refusing to play Erickson because of his transfer Saga is kind of messing up their whole kind of attack. But you know you meet for in the in the back line for I don't know how to say his name Lester centre-half Turkish so you can chew. Yes, so, you know, I don't know. What what is this? Yeah a very Jami assist where the ball hit his head and then Harvey bars just smashed it in that was pretty good, but that we should all individually have a go at saying so young Coos name. Okay, Gary you're next so you don't you? I mean we have no one has any idea who's right. I visited turkey for about 10 hours like so many I must be the expert on it. I'm guessing you your Crooks pronunciation was correct. Probably I'm just just one thing I'd add on sallow and that I kind of understand what been saying about the fixtures but and I do look at the fixtures a lot when I'm looking at kind of mid rank, but I wonder if someone likes salary is a little bit fixed your proof like whether his players like him and Sterling that I mean salad had a small this week and it didn't stop him, but he's just one of those that you can kind of back on to score against anyone. Do you think I mean coming into my FPL moment of the week? I've also were carted like bed and I've brought in money instead of solo. Do you think you can in some way kind of cover salads points or get close to salads points for a million left through money or do you think that's just wishful thinking? That's what I did last season and it pretty much worked. I mean, I think Marnie probably got about 20 or 30 points less than sour. He was about 3 million cheaper last season wasn't the always at least two and a half million cheaper. There are word games like last week where money fires and salad doesn't so it can it was a bit of a differential last season for me. So it's a strategy but it's very bold going as Ben's gone. I think without money or fella I guess the question about those are looking your team is could you have what do you use that million pounds to on? I mean, I got your double Everton. So maybe you could have down grader a Coleman to fund salla. And is that is that worth it are you on my team hasn't scored that great after the early work something close to that maybe more maybe 55, which is fine. I mean so many times you play a wild card. Don't get 40 points. But you know, it's for it's a marathon not a Sprint and I think it's a good start. They'll double elephant double Everton defense does look like a bit of an error, but I do like the threat of Coleman and diinya and Coleman nearly got an assist. You know, it should have been I can't remember who it was but I think it might have been covered Lewin who missed the city of the cob and fun to play in common with had a few of those games so far, so I'm kind of inclined to stick with them. I know everything. Eaton on scoring goals, but I think that will click at some point and defensively than okay. They were pretty terrible against visit fill it but there's just this the threat from those fullbacks that I like apart from that it's Laporte Van Dyke I had to do what Matt did downgrade Trent which I'm very sad about love transfer Van Dyke is a sensible and cheaper pick. We're not more sensible, but he would play ever again think only to bring into boy know like been as well and I wanted to get on the Marshal. Hype train just in case It sped off into the sunset we can afford them anymore. And I'm all obviously I wanted to bring in the top front to of bonds and to go alongside Pookie. So Barnes is coming for me the legend that is and he's coming with a goal of bonus points. Oh, that's awesome. And now I think after lovable game in game week for he's got a good run of fixtures. So it's just fun having those two up front. So that's kind of why I wanted to do it. It was my bank was completely drained. And it was exactly to 0 so I was like, well, this is this is a team that I'm going to enjoy the badly it goes. So yeah. Yeah, nice one and anyone else think a wall coating this week secretly mat or Gary or Not just yet know. I'm sort of holding out the international break. I think which is also quite a common time to do the world cards because then you have two glorious weeks of like making different teams and trying to get on those price Rises. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I generally try not to Wild Card unless you feel like the team's is is kind of going wrong somewhere. So I'd slow start but I'm quite I'm reasonably happy with my team at the moment. So so yeah, I'm no no immediate plans to wild card or maybe we assess in a few weeks fair enough. If you guys want to have a look at our teams in a bit more detail then check us out on Twitter Ben's been tweeting the profiles of the Fanatics and you can have a look at our teams and so weird. FPL FF fanatics on Twitter if you don't wanna join our league or FPL the code for the league. It's the FPL FF phonetics podcast League. The code is lowercase k 0 7 lowercase own. Okay. So F lowercase f so, yeah join us from there and we're going to be giving some shouts out shout outs at least has on that a bit later on. Okay the fixtures. Let's have a look at game week four. Gary is up first but Southampton vs. Man United Okay, so this one's usually a tight game at Southampton the last three seasons. It's been 2 to 1 mil to man united and then nail nail. Oh, I would kind of expect that to continue. I think I kind of agree with Matt Matt bit better than the results of deserved. But then also I'm quite a big fan of Hassan who Toil and what he's done with Southampton. I'd say a 1-1 draw. It's probably quite likely so as I'm not saying much about the game. I thought to give you a little bit more of an Insight particular on which Manchester United players to choose. There's a story on the BBC website at the moment about someone is apparently uncovered Manchester United Football League. There's about eight of them in the league Crystal Chris Smalling his top at the moment of their league who's gone. So Raheem, eiling is he's Captain but I thought you might be interested in which Manchester United players the Manchester United, but if they are the actual Manchester United players and it looks like there might be two me who they've picked so that the most popular pick was that they've all they're all aboard the Marshal train six of the eight had gone for marcial five had done for Aaron one beside ARCA and for had gone for podcast favorite Greenwood, so That they're the ones that the Insiders and Manchester United reckon. You should be getting on I was particularly interested in Ashley Young who didn't go for any Manchester United players in his teeth. So Club Captain, they're wise. Yes Matt. Yeah. No, I think and just to finish off. I just have to I have to single out Daniel James. I'm sorry Daniel, you've been getting a lot of stick for diving lately. But but the state of his fantasy football team is appalling. I think he's he's five million one hundred thousandth in the world at the moment. He was the only player to pick himself which at least show some confidence but in week 3 if this is indeed you Daniel you've used a wild card and you've only actually transferred to players so delicious and then used a wild-card in week. Three to take Tsar her out. Is that because you realize that you're playing against it didn't want to be conflicted that zaha would be will be will be playing for your fantasy football team against you. So in that case it's going to be quite tricky to navigate the fixtures. But anyway, hopefully Daniel James can improve but but yeah man you man you also back in Moscow was the main takeaway apart from a certain obviously. It's brilliant. Brilliant scouting Gary. So interesting to know what they're thinking. They're all with my shower as well. I love it. And yeah, the the only like injury news, we should probably point out to our listeners is Anthony Marshall looked injured at the end of that game. Like he couldn't run. He's yellow flag right now. So I'm anxiously awaiting injury news because he he is such a great value in that Midfield and if he was to get injured for long period of time, I think a lot of managers would have to find replacements. Did it look like what kind of injury did it look like? Did he pull? suddenly was running or it looks I don't know. I'm no doctor but he was not moving and it didn't look like crap. I don't know if Matt soy to but it was a didn't look particularly good control the ball on the edge of the area and then just stopped so it might be a muscle one. Yeah, it is. No one around him. We think that's just a knock so depends how the thing is though. It was like the 90th minute so he might also just be in and I think we'd all the equalized so I think it might have just been sort of just walking it off. Nobody could be subbed off because they don't want done it. So it might not be as serious as him not running around compliance. Definitely want to keep an eye on good shut up and what you reckon to Chelsea Sheffield United. So Chelsea got off to their first win against Norwich the 3-2 win and that's quite an exciting game and at everyone's been sort of looking and scouting Chelsea because they've got potentially some Bargains in their squad because Chelsea's typically a strong team, but they're the prices of their players are really quite quite affordable. And so it looks like the the early favorites for like the must have Chelsea players is maze Mount that's what originally six million but I think he's up to six point two already and Tammy Abraham said million pounds Striker so he got a nice brace and looks like he's starting to nail down that that starting stuff spot up front for Chelsea. So they'll be ones to watch as they play at home against Sheffield United who are quite good defensively But ultimately, I think everyone's favorite. I think they're still favorites to go get ready gated this season, so, I'd expect them to lose this one, even if they might not concede too many and so is it would be made some Mount and Abraham continuing their run or will another lawn like could have such put their hand up to be the fantasy option for Chelsea. The only thing I'd say on Abraham I watched the game and I thought he was impressive but Lampard does like to rotate a lot and especially up front and he was taken off on two goals. He was taken off and sends you four minutes, you know, he was on a hat trick and which is a strange move to take him off, you know first calls for Chelsea, totally void up and playing against a team. You were conceding quite easily. It takes them off. So the only thing that I've been worried about is his minutes, even if he's playing well clearly wants a once a lot of competition between them. Caruso that's the only word of caution. That's a good point. It's a he's definitely a small rotation risk and he's winning that battle at the moment with Drew but you're right. I mean it yes, it will keep them fresh though because you think about being a lacazette rotated quite like last season and about me and ended up the top scoring strike you in the game. So it might still work even if he gets mutated fair enough, I do think maybe maybe Chef United are a bit more candy than Norwich and they might they might do Do all right in this fixture. I know you say you think Chelsea you going to win maybe not by much, but I wonder if Sheffield United will have enough to score against just because Chelsea are conceding goals and they don't look very organized at the back do they? Yeah, it's true. It's true. I wonder if Chelsea is setting down a little bit because they basically change their entire team especially at the back resume. Oh and Christensen coming in. So maybe just those few games will make them better with each passing game. Or maybe it says that Lampard isn't the great manager having had what just one sees at Darby and they'll continue to concede throughout the season. So it's still a bit early to know for sure how Chelsea were before this season. But as I say, I didn't think they should if they can't be beating show for tonight at home. Then they might be struggling big shout out to lunch lundstrom who had another great chance to score apart from an amazing save by cash was Michael he would have been in with another Shirley bonus. Point hole. So yeah, it's still doing bits for Sheffield United just might not be showing up the points and What's your cancer Palace versus Villa? So both of these teams, I think getting there first wins this game week Palace obviously being united unfortunately for me in that and then Villa I think doing good job eating everything to now, I don't know. I think this could be maybe a school draw. I think I was impressed that powers seem to get some of their fight back which I I thought has gone. I thought was interesting. Thing that you know, Gary Cahill came in straight away to start and maybe he can Shore up their defense. Although I mean he gave away a blatant penalty in that game, which I was quite upset about but I think maybe you can add some resolve to that back line. And then I think Villa I think most people kind of see managers are I think think their best player is John McGann 45.6. He had another impressive outing with with in assists. So I think he's actually a pretty decent shout. If you're looking at Midfield options in that in that price range. He seems like the best option and then Villas fiction one is also still pretty good, but just cause Palace at home and you know, we all grew up the apalis. I think I'll go for school draw interesting with Cahill starting you saying and I would expect that he would have taken the place of Kelly. But yeah, she took the place of Dan and so Kelly at 4.0 if you start 4.0 and Great option. It looks like he's got the Jersey over down starting center back in a team that's going to be more solid with Cahill. What do you think? That's a good shout especially if you want a wild card and you need a 4.0 to fun things. The only thing is palaces fiction is pretty bad next 10 fixtures or so. But yeah, I think as an enabler that will starting signature looks and what about Lester Bournemouth? And this is one for me. So I'm asking myself. I think Lester have been woken up. Gary was shouting out. You know Vari you don't poke the bear and he's now been activated and they turned him on. He's ready to destroy with anger. And I think almost they're going to be quite a right team for the plucking so and think before this game week, they conceded a huge amount of big chances and the previews of fancy Football Scout were saying that that's it. You're going to come to town and get quite a few guys. They didn't get as many as I think some of us expected but they did get quite a few goals. I think Lester now that they're starting to click against Sheffield United the front three with definitely combining really nicely. So Perez VAR D Madison making noise triangles and attacking me they seem to have a bit more fluency getting into that Groove a bit more. So expect them to continue that against Bournemouth having a great defensively and almost I'd still expect to keep ticking over I think kind of Wilson whilst he's not getting big holes. Taking over Josh King. Maybe can be left behind as we could just say we do this every season with Josh can we put him in because he's on penalties but actually it's not worth it. We should go for other options and you'll get a decent return at the end of the season but it's not going to be a credible. I don't think maybe those those days were first on the scene at 4.5 slightly going away a bit and especially away from home like this is I think the big one to shy is Harry Wilson. I haven't seen the goal button. Another goal for him for Bournemouth, very confusing that Wilson is assisting Wilson and you have to check which one actually is but Wilson scored a lot of goals at Darby last season and he's hit the ground running with all the things. I think he's only 6.0 or close to that unless he's going up a little bit. So an interesting option, but I know Eddie how likes to rotate. So how shall we give me about it starts? I don't know. But the main point I'd say for this game is the Lester front three clicking against the team that Seating little picture. And so if you have Perez or telemon's or Madison and looking at restoring those points, I think maybe this is what to hold on what you guys recommend you agree. I mean, I've been very Madison these last few games. I think he's I've got actually got tell him enzyme in my team which is bit more of a kind of I got good attached to his performances last year. He did such a good job for me, but I think Madison might be the one to have and he's he's the top point to yield so far. Yeah, you just get the feeling he's going to kind of take over quite nicely done. Okay, Gary. What you reckon to Man City Brighton? So I've got a prediction again, so I'm it's quite easy for the predictions. So I think against Brighton it's probably a case of how many and I mean, I'd be very very surprised at Brighton got anything out of this. It'd be interesting to see what approach Brighton go with because I'm decrease you and they were just very defensive and just want to make a limitation against City and they did usually manage to keep the score down. They've never will thrash you enough City there. I think their lungs Two goals on average but they never showed any chance of winning. Really, I guess they briefly went ahead in that last game of the season but then capitulated is whether grown Potter whether he's got any kind of different approach. I suspect he might stick to the Heaton template and just try and go really defensive and close this game out in which case and I'd maybe go for a two or three gold victory for Man City, but if he does go a bit Maverick and decides to open up and play out from the back. Don't rule out the chance of real spanking because it could be a it could be a bit of a nightmare. So my main advice is kind of kept in your city players because if there is going to be a spanking this week, this will be it. So I'll be captain in Sterling. I'd actually think if I had Aguero capture him I don't but I think agüero was the kind of player like seen against Newcastle in the past that some of the Premier League defenses, you can just absolutely terrorize them. So assuming he plays there's always the pep rule out of those going to start with but particular guerro for the man torturous game. You said this might be a spanking and one money definitely gives a good spanking we need to get spanking is our hero, Florida and only Yes. Yes now I I think I think he was trying to do that thing where he's like turning to Shield the ball and around halfway through we thought I could actually could leave one on the man and shield the ball and he got a bit carried away. It wasn't a subtle as he thought he was going to be but I am I did sit. Did you see how much of the day that clip? They didn't really explain it much. But there's another player's they're warming up just ran up behind him and other Brighton player and absolutely belted him on the back of his car so I kicked him. So maybe they that the his teammate. I'm so wound up for his teammates are kicking in as you just as he walks out onto the pitch before the game, but that he's yeah, he just got so he had to get his revenge here. Maybe he's another body you need to turn him on and he's just goes and destroys just got to point him in the right direction. Yeah. Yeah. We're very very dangerous, but fortunately for the wrong reasons. moving on to Newcastle Watford and what you reckon to that one that it's quite intriguing one this I think because Watford definitely in a bit of trouble having lost all their games usually of mid-table safety with Watford, but they've started really badly and I think their managers sort of top of the sack race odds at the moment because they quite often press the button on second image is quite quickly anyway, but Newcastle that is a stunning Victory away Spurs as well which no one expected and I think a lot of people are captain and Kane this week expecting Totten to fill their boots against hapless Steve boosters Newcastle where there's just nothing but bad news coming out there Mike Ashley ownership and I think in both cases actually it's probably not as bad or as good as people make out. So I think it's been shown out that Newcastle do have a little bit about them and they did spend A lot of money on their busy and Striker Joe Linton. They've got a bit of a spine to their team that's been around for a while in the Premier League and you still got the legacy of Rafa Benitez coaching to make them back a decent defense of outfit and Steve who's quite defensive manager as well. So I think they'll be difficult to be this season and Mike might stay out the drop, even though that was my original predictions and Watford. I mean, I know that they've lost all their opening games and haven't necessarily paid a big team in doing so but I think they'll still Be okay in the long run. I think they've got a bit of quality in them and they were FA Cup finalists last season so I can see this one being the first goal will matter quite a lot I think because I think from that the other one to be able to sit back and pick the other one off on the counter-attack and I think it's finely balanced, but I think that could be goals one man. He definitely needs to mention is mine and Gary's hero one of our heroes Mark Noble coming in get I think Matt pooh-poohed him is an Well, that's it last week Matt what you have to say for yourself. For West Ham in the Newcastle. What could it be? Damn it? Duncan wants to move on already. Don't don't leave anything out with nobly such a good player. I'm looking at the next feature. Damn you I've used up all my bullets before my okay. And would you be thinking about anyone FPL Wise from these two teams new cast? And what fiddle would you if you have Telophase and well, I have a bit of a transparent transfer conundrum at the moment because I had dini in my squad who has hoping to maybe get a goal against West Ham has weak defense until he got himself injured and he has had surgery so he's out for a little while. So I've got a transfer him out and one of the contenders I have is Joe Linton after his is storming performance today. So I reckon he's a cheap Striker that my bag of few guaranteed to start so So yeah, it might be an all right pick and the mention I meant to make and decorate your season gut-punch continues his season of were after scoring an own goal. He's now given away a penalty in the looks a bit all over the place and they yeah, they need to shove them further up the field and back and stare the way from go so he can get some goals rather than keep conceding them. But yeah, I think he's a good player. So he'll he'll come good eventually, but he's not exactly a scouring every week kind of player and Yeah, what fits in a bit of trouble but they can get data file Andre gray / error and Decor a doing some attacking moves. I think they'll score goals. This season just just hasn't clicked at all yet. Been West Ham Norwich. I'm now in the present not in the future. What's your record to this fixture while first gotta go and mention Mark Noble your favorite player Duncan. He mentioned you actually like Mark Noble. The previous part which is controversial. And then today you've mentioned him even in the wrong fixture. Yeah mod Noble scored obviously against Watford. I think the best shout in this field is probably manzini. He's their top scorer right now at 6.5 and West Ham. I think everyone is kind of talking about Sebastian our who braced against Watford, then you big money signing and shrunk signs of of living up to his price tag, and I think if you want a wild-card, he may be an interesting pain just because I think there's knowledge game will be very open both teams like to play attacking open football and then West Ham's fiction one isn't that bad? So I think West Ham Will Edge this one and I think their goals in it for both of them. So obviously your knowledge knowledge aside everyone knows about pookie. Respect the tiki train can continue against West Ham. I actually brought in I think you did Duncan to Todd Cantwell Cantwell toward Cantwell 4.6. He has started every game from Norwich and it's ticking along nicely got a goal against Chelsea to assist against Newcastle of the game before so I may actually start in this game week against West Ham just because I think I'll be an open game. So yeah, I'm hoping hoping they goals in this watch it turn out to be an ailment or something. It certainly looks like girls doesn't it? Because Norwich can't defend Western more famous for their defending and both teams attacking you starts clicks. Oh, yeah Haller definitely. They said I don't match. They had Shades some of his attempts on goal. We're so acrobatic for a big man of shades of slattern, but I prefer to see Peter Crouch, you know big man with the acrobatics and pick a legend for me via Crouch and next up is Burnley Liverpool and this is what Lee and think I think this is a tough one. I think earlier played good football this season and when they come up against a bigger team, I think they slightly struggle. I think the scales me a tip slightly in their favor because they're at home and Liverpool of look shaky slightly. Shake it back. Although I think that's going to be ironed out further we go into the season and definitely looks a bit tighter against Arsenal. They seem very keen still playing a Highline and I don't think only have Pace and to get away from their Defenders if a poor player highlighting its Bernie, I don't think funds or would really have the Payson often that their midfielders hard-working but not exactly speed speedsters. So yeah, I see Liverpool pressing them pushing high and for me know his is incredible form, maybe not getting the massive returns, but he doesn't really do that. It's more from the eye test. He's It looks really sharp. And in the Box in a tight chest box, which Burnley I think will create he might Prosper quite well and off him. Get salary you get money. Yeah. So the for pretty pretty obviously I'd say to win this. I think Burnley I would back to school because live will have conceded set pieces and you know things like that owns his own great form shouting out my hero Ashley Barnes and The goal this is game week and I think you can do the same here or work do the same. It's livable, but I think it's likely to be only the one and I think we're going to get you know, all that maybe two or three and tough for Liverpool, but I think they'll come through it. Yeah terms of fdlf assets. Yeah, I think people are moving away from the the to Liverpool doubling up and live with events. I think that's probably wise at the moment whilst Alison is recovering and Generally whilst they look about form just picking the one that you want. I have gone for Van Dyke because I think he's going to play every game and his ownership is just so high. It's around 50 percent and if he looks more of a threat, I think more confident more of a threat from Corners. So he gets that goal. It's a real rank color. If you don't have him and I do think our exciting on all these guys score him. He's going to get so many assists goals from free kicks and stuff like that, but I just think I know he's going to play every game. So it's kind of a safe pick. Yeah, and anyone else want to jump in on that or we can move on to Sunday's games. Silence. Okay, Gary Everton vs. Wolves what you reckon? Okay. So this one this one's quite tough to call. I think my - already Instinct was that these are taught to quite defensive Portuguese managers. So it might be quite kg and they might not want to kind of made the team would want to have the ball watch the light once a counter-attack, but then I looked at last season and there was four goals in both of the games home and away. No one got a clean sheet and Reuben. Fence 5.5 million round him and his 7.4 million and they scored both home and away in these games. So we're thinking about them. I was going to send say off the back of that maybe wolves to shave it but then I remembered that they're playing Torino on Thursday. They need to to get through a probably get a draw from that game and then they'll go to the qualify for the Europa League. But that might just take a little bit out of them. So that's going to that's going to say to me that everything light shade it the problem. You've got with Everton the back for a very settled the Midfield have been quite consistent, but you've got new guys going in like your OB and will it will he suddenly get in the team? Who will you knock out? There's a couple of fantasy football favorites in Rich are listening sigurdsson at 7.9 million. They're not they're not Anything yet. So it's whether whether to stick with those guys or to take care to take a punt on someone like Bernard or or indeed there will be who just come in, but then I decided to take a punt in the opposite direction and have gone through Musa Keen who are brought into my team last week. This was a bit of a risk because he's not he's not starting yet. But I thinking surely they must bring him in cut. They can't keep starting cold, but Lewin and he's does look bright. He should have set up laid on the gulf or Walcott, but what got blazed it over again Sevilla and Tom may be back in him to start this one for wolves and just to maybe make the difference. Fair enough and I love that you come back to your memory ways. Not your early season sensibleness kind of picked a place, you know bit on the fringes. So I think that's a really good show. I totally agree that DCL it's time for him to go in the bench movie. Yeah. I think you just doesn't score enough goals. And what from what I've seen of Kate cane or Ken like the fancier. He's kind of makes a he's got that pace to running behind, but he can also hold the ball up. And I think Everton generally a good team and you should get a look at quite a few chances for them. So maybe he can make a difference. So I'm anticipating if he just scored a couple goals. He might he might be one more the price suddenly goes up very quickly. I think you're saying wolves got to play the second leg against Torino. I think they're only one that 3/2. So I would expect a quiet first team or close to it against Torino and second leg, but Everton also have Carling cup. But as a lot of teams do lot of Premier League teams do this week. So another chance to check out their lineups and who might be playing and who might be arrested what clues that will give to this game. And so that's definitely want to watch out for I think. Next up is Austin Spurs. That's one for man. Yeah, man. Yeah just on your mention of the car in carpets. It's a good thing to know that there's a lot of midweek games going on. So now if you're of the pungent like Andy to make the video transfer, then it's increasingly risky that the injuries could come up in your squad midweek from some of the midweek action. So it's better to hang on if you really can but yeah Arsenal Spurs Both teams coming off a loss this weekend both teams. I think gunning for that sort of can they get the Champions League alongside man, you and Chelsea this year and this game usually has goals. It's usually quite entertaining. So it's another very difficult one to predict. Both teams. Be quite Fired Up by me young and Kane boasts a very strong chance of scoring both the both the star Strikers. And behind that it's it's trying to pick you the regular starters are so Spurs didn't play Erickson. Would he still be there come next weekend if he is there is he happy and then Sons come back does that mean that more or lamella drop out? So it's selection headaches other than Cain for Spurs attack and then for us was well, it seems to be settling down with the front three, Danny. Had a bad game against Liverpool. So will they go back to our he then came on the school board? We do a bit of rotation bit of a question mark there as well. So yeah, it's a really intriguing one to look out for and I'm I have more currently in my squad and very tempt to cash in that seven and a half million, but I'm just going to sort of wait and see through the midweek fixtures and what the team use looks like before before making a decision we should I'd say Danny onions is Sebelius just for anyone who doesn't speak Spanish as well as Gary and who translated us that for us last week. And yeah, I mean fair enough. This one is quite hard to pick. I agree that I think there will be goals. The only one I would pick out from a national point of view is that they started the very Advanced role. When was playing two up front with a me Yang for the pace of the break and that was quite exciting to see him start. And how you didn't really have the finishes in front of goal. But he definitely had the pace and the trickery so I think based on his performance at I'd see him starting in Spurs and starting hopefully foreseeable and providing a real threat just it's just been slightly overpriced. I think it 9.5 on a level with Sean and Des Moines and I think that's a bit harsh for the first season in the Premier League. So maybe not one for now but nice price point if you've got to Briner got son. But another option there for maybe later in the season which is adapted fully but yeah, yeah, but from that, I agree goals. Yeah want to watch and next up. Let's chat whipping boys. Gary mentioned already thought it was going to be bright and against Man City and what do you think that I think that's definitely the strongest Contender and where most captaincy gonna go I think this week. Okay, Bend you concur. Yep. Yeah, we're all in agreement. So Brighton are whipping boys Butters boys and looking danger and Sterling Captain sees the broiler transfers and maybe even Man City Defenders getting clean sheets. Finally would be nice. And so that is our tip for this week. What about clean sheets Gary. I'm going to come to you first of your clean sheet. Okay, then we'll I'll stick with Man City then Man City clean sheet home to Brighton. Okay. Now what you reckon? I'm going to go for I reckon Chelsea might keep a clean sheet against Sheffield United and low scoring Affair. Okay, which recommend I'm going to back Liverpool to get their first clean sheet of the Season even even with Ashley Barnes on red-hot form. Okay, very good. I think I'm going to go for Palace. Then Gary Cahill's introduction. I like that and Villa although they've got a lot of gold for it. I think it's ballast at home. And I think they're very tight the back hopefully, so yeah, that's my show Gary back to you. Right Ponte Ponte a clean sheet by fancy Watford to keep clean sheets and Newcastle. So we'll be playing Halo bass in my team this week. Yeah, they're playing for the manager's job. So they've got to pull their finger out and Matt. Can you see any more? I don't know if this is like heart overhead, but I do think man. You still have a good chance of getting a clean sheet away at Southampton. I watch their gaming way against wolves. Full 90 minutes and I think being away from home with our sort of counter attacking style of play and press it pressing a bit. I think my quite suitors against two nights of Hampton. So let's see. Yeah a bit of a doubt for one, but it's on there. I'm just not sure because I know Southampton their attackers looked much more confident Redmond getting on the scoresheet this week and seem to be slightly clicking. So yeah, well needs to be seen but that is the last pick unless Want to house has anymore. No, okay. So we'll leave it there and Fanatics League D how the lessons are doing and who's ahead of us at the moment. So I'm not sure it's going to be completely updated yet because we're recording on Sunday evening. But that moment at the top is John Hart to pay with my a key breaky heart good team that is coming in with a score of 85 points. Pretty high school for this week. I would say definitely in comparison to me. He's got Halla up front. He's made two transfers this week. So I'm assuming that wasn't her based on his form so far but Haller up front with Pookie. That's pretty impressive Mount Sterling de bruyne ER Sally captaincy. It's got lamellar in there, which is a nice kind of outside of pain. He's getting the minutes a moment wamba soccer zinchenko aleksandr on Old Matt Ryan, so pretty strong team and the slightly different to a lot of Things I've seen so they're really nice. What do you think guys? I like that team. It's a lot to support and a weekend because like this quite unusual players, you've got the differentials, but it seems to be clicking so fast in those buyers. Yeah, once the League's fully updated if we see anyone with a higher gain week score Will shout out there on Twitter, but at the moment, it's John Hart appeared. He's the man to beat currently and okay. What about the Fantasy Football Fanatics join team. How is the hive mind doing that? So the hive mind I don't have bonus has been worked in just yet. But it is on 47 points. Our selection of Cain as Captain has backfired on us fortunately as it has many imagine this week, but I mean 47s, it's alright for this game week. And so it was Pookie and aleksandr Arnold that's and and Sterling that Builders out got some points and only luckily were sitting on our I bench so we didn't didn't play him. So his - to stays there. So yeah all in all an okay week, but getting the captain seemed wrong. I think as hurt the hive mind. And I'm looking at our fixtures for some of our players. We've got Louis dunk this week away to Man City. I would say that he needs to be dropped. Yes, so transfers this week. We try and go with like that the highest score at it have this or the final say on that the option of transfer. So I think I think Gary's winning at this week. So I think Gary will have the final say of transfer options. I just talked to quickly what the what the team is shaping up like so we've cane away at Arsenal there's sort of do we do we go with the the fact that that's usually a ghost going fixture and keep of Cain as Captain or do you go Sterling and a home to buy today? I think probably probably step selling home to brighten the players looking most possible transfer contenders as they also Perez continues to blank but played in that front three that looks look quite quite enterprising. So it depends with one stay loyal to him. We've got at the back as you say Kelly and dunk Kelly's of the four million, but Willie get the place soon. As other players come back do we even transfer out dunk or do we cash in on some of our Liverpool depends as well and its arms and Arnold and Van Dyke both in there Gary. What are your initial transfer? Thought some way my initial thoughts are that I think the defense looks solid we can bring in a to Palace players Off the Bench so we can bringing Gator and Kelly to take the place of gone who's got Man United and dunk, Man City. I might be tempted. I don't know if we have any money in the bank might be tempted. Stick and Bank the transfer again for next week. I kind of agree that Perez is one that we could be looking at and there are some like Mason Mount we could look to bring in for repairs, but I think with Lester at home to Bournemouth, we could give Perez one more go and then we could maybe do something a bit more interesting next week if we have the two free transfers. Yeah, we've got no point three of the bank and the moment dunk. Do you recommend you do any transfers or do you agree the save it though? I mean I think in my preview You I was saying that I like the lesser of front three. So I think I've said that and I'd like to stick with it the moment but I do agree that amount would be the nice option to move to from Perez if we've got any worries apart from that. Yeah, I think Kelly comes in nicely for dunk and agree guiter in 4.4 gun. That looks nice. And actually I think having Van Dyken Alexander own orders quite nice. I think a lot of people have shipped out on the little defense double up. And I think those two have lived the most attacking the most kind of points getting of the livable back line. So it's nice having them both in this team because as soon as they score and bonus follow, I'm sure they're still in captaincy apart from that. I'm happy to older think. All right. Nice been any thoughts no Irene holding. I think maybe more medium term. We may want to look at downgrading cane which is funny cause I just bought them in on my way. Wild cards and be getting 2.0 somewhere but like we can tackle that once we bank and transfer Maybe. Well, yeah, I quite like I guess we won't be going on to him in a second but holler at West Ham look very impressive. So he might be one one of the kind of the options if we want to get three or four million through downgrading cane. How about yeah, 77.4. I think some of .45 just wonder if you can get you know, you can get a similar kind of value less price. So it's similar amount of goals are lesser price, but I think I think Kane has a good record against Arsenal doesn't say so maybe we stick with Kane this week, but that could be a shout for next week. He definitely has a good record against Arsenal. Excellent and that we all agreed on Sterling captain cetacaine. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Well, I think we're all set then. It looks like a fairly solid teams long as a palace get that clean sheet and yeah Cain gets in the girls. Maybe next time. We have a transfer dilemma. So it doesn't look like it's going to be this week. But maybe then you can tweet it guys on Twitter put a poll out. See what people think. Yep, we can add them to the hive mind make a decision. We make it even more difficult if this wins the whole overall thing, but the hey, I don't mind sure out. Well, what do you win if you win the whole of FPL a couple of couple of tickets and speak about isn't it? Gary what about Gary's got puns how we doing? Okay. So this week I I was the best I gave McNeil who got six points. I've extended my lead at the top. We've had a few disappointing ones this week. Lamella just got two points trust are just got two points and Luke Shaw who might went for just the one point and she literally Luke Shaw didn't even have him in his own fantasy football teams. There's a guidance there. I just wanted to take issue with one of the listeners who mentioned I think in the comments that my predictions like to conviction. So I'm going to try and give you some convicts in here. I'm going with my gut punch the last two weeks of Pookie who got a hat trick and McNeil who got an assist this week, so bet the house but your entire savings and go for Tammy Abraham. He's a player who I'm not completely convinced is top top of the Premier League quality, but against Championship standard teams like Norwich. He's very dangerous. So at home to Sheffield United's he should be banging the goals. So he's my makeup good For this week. I think a few of us have gone for Strikers this week. So we mentioned hello briefly, but Duncan you want to talk a bit more about him. Well, I mean my other options that I've really looked at first of all work Southampton options because the other Contender for whipping boys is obviously man united ho ho Redmond shout to him Danny ings as well looking dangerous, but Jeanette Po and the new signing the Marley International getting off the Mark. I like the look of him. He's on a good run and I love his goal celebration the whole team around him doing a dance with him that he was doing to all of them. So Clearly popular having only just joined but that's enough of that mountain. Holla. Yeah, I mean acrobatic charismatic. He's a big presence and I just think yeah. I just thought they're going to they're going to get goals this week. It's against Norwich Norwich like to attack attack attack there since Max up all over the place. So someone with a bit of presence like Haller is going to cause a lot of problems. I think he's got a lovely Midfield in and him as well as Annie's got Anderson feeding them on One Wing gamma link on another lens any through the middle and obviously creativity is Mark Noble a bit deeper. And when those guys are injured West Ham now have the squad to fill in those positions is Antonio, there's other players and for now as you know, there's a lot of players in there competing for those places. So yeah, it looks good for so Ben you've also gone for the for West Ham this week you're going with Lindsay name. Yeah, similar thinking to Duncan except heat Ocala before me land zini the high-scoring midfielder two percent ownership. I fancy a goal or a cyst. And Matt you've gone forever. So Joe Linton from Newcastle who got off the mark a little bit earlier. Yes. I was talking about earlier in the previews. I just think against Watford who are like that the struggle is early season struggles at the moment. He stands a chance I think again, I think Halle was a good pick this week, but I've gone further bit more punto with the lower price lower owned Joe Linton who I think it's of same sort of big man at the front sight role where Hopefully the cost is fly-in. He can you can bury one. And just to round it off Andy this week is going for Harvey Barnes who scored that absolute screamer against United last last Saturday, so hopefully he'll get a get a start because he's a he's a very promising on player. So so there they got pulse for this week and I'll keep updating you on how it's going but I think Matt is not not backing up his title very well at all. It's kind of a Chelsea on the marina title defense. He's Last by quite a margin and I'm leading Tim Duncan the moment, but we'll see how it goes is still early days. We've got Autumn coming I can work on my gut then. Nice one guys, if you don't already follow us on Twitter, give us a follow at FP L FF Fanatics get in touch with us there. It's great to hear from you guys, but it's so nice to see so many people joining the Fantasy Football Fanatics league as well. It's nice to compete against you and we said it we're not going to be in the top four long and we've got a new leader now, so if you want to join that League, it's lower case k 0 7. Okay, so no case. Oh lowercase f And yeah, also if you've got the time and you like the show then give us a review on Apple podcast or wherever you get your pots. We really appreciate it other people can find us as well as well. It's not me brilliant and I think that's all from us. So I'm going to thank you for your Insight Gary. Thanks very much. See you next week, especially the insight into the Manchester United fbl Team. That was brilliant. Yeah. We should invite them to join our league with be good to take on Chris small. And Phil Jones. Yeah, we can invite them all but maybe not the the new signing James. Yeah. Definitely not. Thank you for your Insight man. 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Just wanted to take a brief moment to give you guys a little idea how we do it here at paddle and fin podcast. We use the anchor dot f m-- recording platform super easy distributes our podcast too many many different platforms. There's creation tools to allowed you to record and edit podcast right from your phone or a computer check out anchor dot f m orDownload the free anchor app to get started. Welcome. Hello and welcome back to the paddle and fin podcast. I'm Brian. Welcome back boys and girls ladies and gentlemen. Coming at you with another great episode. That's right. Got some some interesting recap from the weekend at the kbf trail stop in, Madison, Wisconsin. Jay's got some exciting Pike news. I want to say congrats to Dylan the young man who won the first Pro Tour event took first both in the trail and the pro event up in Madison and congrats to previous guest Dusty Yacker for his second place finish in the trail. I think it was cool. We ran into some listeners up. There are some new people that have recently found the podcast. I thought it was cool chit chatting with them, you know congrats. I'm not going to butcher his last name. So we're just going to say jsonp. I think it's piss Kowski or something like that. It's both we go, but he's a listener the podcast and shout out to him. He took fourth which I didn't realize till I was I think it was at the results. I heard something about it when Josh Martin was calling off all the places and he took forth but 4th 5th and 6th place where all tied with the same inches, but Jason had the biggest fish out of the three of them. So that's why he took fourth. So that was super cool. So congrats to him Jay. Yeah, buddy. So I hear what am I Regional homies? Yeah. Yeah. Okay, he's down from he's down from your neck of the woods there. Yep. Pretty soon. We'll be hitting the water together. But yeah, it was super cool. I gotta get a cool little announcement will throw out at the end of this and yeah. I think I hinted to it last podcast and the last podcast. I don't know you going to stick around and listen to us ramble for the next hour all these weird people. I mean these great listeners. Yeah, they are great listeners. It's right there family bro family. But yeah, it was it was it was interesting. So I've only fish medicine In wants and that was with you back. I think it was like last August and that was an interesting outing because it rained all day but we slam fish and we were fishing lake would be so that time around and we caught some quality fish. I remember catching 16 17 and I think my big one of the day was like 18 and a half or 18 and 3/4 or something, but the water levels were up when we were there. I think the whole chain was no wake and Yeah, and I think that made a huge difference fast forward to this past weekend. Well, you know last Sunday I had fished up there before the tournament with shout out to Allen read from Indiana and the water was super clear. We fished part of the Hara upper mod. upper part of what bisa and the southern part of Monona we covered quite a bit of water, but the water was like gin clear which kind of Plays in a your whole scenario that unfolded over the weekend or whatever. We'll get into that in a second, but You know as always did a bunch of research did some looking around and I died I decided I wanted to try Mendota and you were like, yeah, let's go. That's where you got your PB Pike right like last year the year before so yeah your two years ago. Yeah. Yeah mine was in the fall. But yeah, I got a 40 inch or out of there. Yeah. Yeah, which is Stellar that's on your Facebook page, right? Yep. Yeah buddy, but I wanted to go to a certain area. I'll just tell everyone it's up by Governors Island. And from what I saw just on Navionics there was kind of a ledge there. Right. We're kind of the Yahara dumps in I think to to the actual Lake and It was kind of interesting when we got out there. I was like all all you see is like Boulders and rocks, you know, you could see I think the deepest I could see bottom was like 15 feet at points. Yeah, and it was kind of cool just fishing that gin clear water and it just screamed small mouth. and we started working out there and I got some short strikes and it was like they were picking up the bait and they just wasn't getting a good hook set and that was on the network and you were throwing big Hefty lures looking for Pike and maybe a muskie or something and you had some follows to and you know, I just started switching colors because I knew They were they were intrigued by the bait, but they just they just want to commit into it. And I forget what the first color I threw was. I think it was Canada craw made by Z men will starring all z-man Ned Rigs and then I ended up starting to get into some fish when there's a color called new money and it's really green. It's got red flake and it was funny because after the tournament Alan Reed we were at the awards or whatever and he's like, how did you get to that color? And that's kind of interesting so That Sunday when we pre fished Monona, I was thrown a black blue flakes & Co which is kind of been like my go-to, you know for the first part of the Year here and when I switch the watermelon red flake on Monona, I started getting bass so I'm like hmm. That's interesting. Obviously. It's a color thing. So I think that's why I started with Canada craw because it's kind of green but it's got a little bit of silver in it, but it's got Flake as well and that new money was like a brighter green and it had red and silver flake in it and I caught a fish and you know at one point you were like really again it really I was like dude like don't know what to tell you. Yeah. I mean I was I was banging fish in you know, I was kind of sitting in I think it was like 14. a foot of water and casting out to the deeper side of that ledge and then just slowly dragging it back once in a while popping it up, but it seemed like the the slow drag across the top of the Rocks is what really did it and I think the biggest fish I caught up there was like 16 and a half that day, right? Yeah, something like that. Yeah. So then later that evening I met up with Brad her loss Hurley boss. I forget Sorry Brad, but Brad H. I met up with Brad H and he lives up in that area and he's like man. He's like I've been out fishing. He's like I can't Fish he's like if I don't catch a fish tonight, I'm not signing up for the tournament and I was like, well, I'll fish with you man. Like I found something today, you know, so we fished a stretch of river going into lower Mud Lake and fished around Mud Lake and we started floating right away, and it was like first 15 minutes or so Brad. Hooked into it was like an 18 inch or something 17 and three-quarter. So I was like, oh, well, there's some bigger fish here than what I found this morning and I ended up catching a 17-inch Smalley that night and a 17 inch large mouth. 17 and a half or something and I know Brad I took off early because I was just beat you know, because we got up early drove up to Madison fished our butts off all day and then I went back out you kind of hung back at camp and I know Brad was on a pretty good frog bite as well. so Thursday Checked out what bisa similar Rocky ledge type deal and a rock pile on out offshore and caught you know. Small fish and just didn't dig it. So but I did manage to catch multi-species that day. I caught a couple Pike 18 inch walleye and a 20-pound carp. And couple really short small mouth. That while I sit in my fridge good good. Enjoy it. I will it's the least I could do. Yeah, thanks. So I mean, what about those two days for you? So what was the deal break it down? Well, where do I begin? Yes, so I went out there swinging for the fences as I normally do and You know, so what the first day we were out there we were out in the DOTA right now station with you and I was fishing the same part you were just a little bit off course, you know spaced apart not side by side of course, but I was probably getting down about 20 feet that sometimes 25, but I would say 15 to 25 and I was running some inline Spinners because they were heavy enough to fall the quickest anticipate and attract at those lower depths. I was throwing like announcing Half and that'll stay down there as a rooster tail redhead and also through this other one that was it was basically white. Let's call it and I was getting a lot of follows, you know, a lot of follows and nothing we commit it would just you just see a fish coming out of the depth, you know, and it was pretty cool. You know who've been better if he would have bit it but the only closest I came was like a walleye I think on those spinners and then I would like kind of what I would like Whit way across to the Hara because that's actually where I caught my PV around roundabouts in that area, but it's spring time. There's like no vegetation. So I was searching for vegetation. Oh over there and what I did notice is that once I got over that flat as you transition from where we were to the flat. He got murky and it was darker water wasn't clear anymore. So I thought I'd have a chance, but I was working everything. I mean I even went into the yarra and was working this 6-foot hole and I couldn't get anything to bite. So then I came back when I did a little bit of trolling. I was just pedaling around with a Rattle Trap and then the best I could do is I ran into a school or rock bass and pick one of them brought up him and I thought it was pretty big fish. I mean that hook just barely fit his mouth. But I mean that was a that was a stout fish and he did not give up all the time. I was trying to hook them. He's like rap like making weird noises. I'm like, all right, dude, you're gonna be gone the second but I didn't have an inkling of like maybe we should eat this guy. Like it's like I'm sure you guys have ever wasn't me catching these the days but let him go. But yeah, so for me, I didn't get anything that day. I did get there was a pretty large follow I got but it wasn't enough to collect on I figure aided probably about eight times with fish underneath me. I don't really think I'm not any of them broke 40. I just said that point was just like I don't care just something bite the damn hook just so I can bring something to the boat. Then with the second day we went to a Visa and it's kind of the same scenario. I think I only had one bite and that was and I really wasn't convinced until I saw the plastic As I had that crabby vast Sonic shed, and I used it the next day after that. I was like, oh wait, there's bite marks on this thing. Yeah, there was like there was some gnarly teeth marks in that I was like, oh I didn't get a bite. Okay, because I got so used. Yes, but I knew for sure that pop It was just the way Pike just kind of hit stuff. And anyway, I didn't catch anything. It was just like, you know again you when you're swinging for the fences. You're definitely any comment empty more the time then you're gonna catch ya. Yeah, but and then I turn the day I went back to Mendota. Same spot same things are happening. Just some follows figure eights. Nothing. Just nothing and I started to put the pieces together a little late in the game. But I also wasn't prepared and what I did notice is that all you guys were catching Pike everywhere. And then the one common theme was clear line because everybody had a leader of like floral or or monofilament and then using smaller type baits some people even like Ned ratings and Essex but that was the ongoing thing. So again, it's springtime every now and then, you know, I know these things are hidden big stuff, but this was one of those times but I think one correlation with the Clearwater and that was the other thing like I underestimated I'll even say I was just cocky about it because I've always done well on the Chain well enough. Anyway, I mean, it's like where I enjoy myself sure enough that I did this time, but it's a lot more fun catching fish, but The the ongoing theme again because of that clear water, you know, I'm running steel leaders. I have the titanium leaders which are very thin but they're black and then I have steel leaders that are silver a little thicker. Apparently that probably had a lot to do with it. That's my opinion on that if you don't think so, like, you know, leave us some comments on this sent us some emails, but I haven't dealt with gin clear Pike, although when I My TV that day it was it was Gin clear and I was running a leader and I was running what's called number five MEPS Fire Tiger spinner with like a white plugtail and that was at the end of the day in the weeds. So that maybe has something to do with it too because when you're running off these these Ledges, there's no weeds there. I mean there's some I guess but there's not many and it's more rock so you kind of got to work the Picture rather than the vegetation but I think there's a clear correlation on what not to do in June Clearwater. And as a perfect example of that I didn't come prepared to throw anything other than what I was going to throw again swinging for the fences plus you needed stuff like when you throw the smaller stuff generally it's lighter weight anyway, so it's hard to track that stuff either way. So I mean I'm not making excuses of course, but Just you know, I thought heavy stuff Run Deep what I just want to make a point. So fishermen are so stubborn sometimes. Yeah, like I caught two or three Pike and I was like, hey man, you want some of these swimbaits? I musn't we're like no. No, it's tough work. No. Yeah, so I think it's just kind of funny. Like I just thought about that now like as you're talking about this I'm like man I offered Omni's some swimbait. So I got like three Pike. Yeah. Well, the other thing is Sue's they would have had to switch from my yeah, you know my leaders to align that I did just didn't have right. Right, right because you get any sizable Pike. It's going to have the whole damn like lure in its mouth. It's going to rub it Sawtooth great, you know right across that line like we were talking about it's just gets gonna cut it. Anyway. Well I got bit off. I think it was once. Yeah once up there and then once down, Here which we'll get into later. But you know, it was yeah. Yeah, I mean so I will then see what's to like what I picked everybody's brain at the meeting because I'm like everyone's saying mom catch a pike. I'm catching Pike and I'm like be using clear line like yeah and they're like, yeah. Okay. I was like I get it. It's it's got to be you know, these are shy line Pike, you know, it's fine. I learned I'm going to be prepared for that next time and I won't be so cocky sure, you know sure sure sure. You know, I mean, it's like I was kind of cocky about it. I was like, yeah, I'm going to catch the fish and I can you know, it's like but man. Oh man. Oh man and sucks. Well, the other thing too is I think I think it was like all three days. We had an East Wind. Bluebird Skies pretty much. Yeah, there are no clouds No, that's another you know, that's another thing about the chain that is completely true that I've had much experience of this soon as that sun comes out. They're gone. Yeah, they're all gone. Well that that kind of draws into my tournament a right cuz so I think it was Friday evening. I was talking with you because you didn't finish the tournament and I said man. I don't know what to do. Like it's either go to that river that I fished with Brad or go to that spot. I found up north. or do both but you know my gut told me go north. We had a super early launch time. It was crazy. First launch was 4:15 a.m. Lines in at 4:45 a.m. That was just like what the heck and that was the thing too was at the Captain's meeting which I was kind of already prepared for are ready because when we Up there that one day and we launched from Governors Island. There's a kayak launch. They're essentially or a gravel parking lot with a trail where you could take your kayak down and but that part didn't open until 6 a.m. So and they had brought up to at the Captain's meeting. Like there are restrictions at some ramps. Some don't open till 6:00. Some don't open till for some are open 24 hours. Make sure you do your homework because if you get caught launching from a launch that is not open yet. You will be disqualified. So the closest launch I found was probably I don't know man, like two or three miles from my spot. So that's the other thing. I guess I should should spill the beans on is a i fished out of the blue sky all weekend. So what's that Brian see that again Blue Sky baby blue sky. Yeah, so guys. Yeah. It was kind of interesting. And that's um, we could talk about in a minute. But so I paddled all the way out there, but when I showed up to the launch that morning there was like 16 of us at that launch and I think there was only like 65 people or something signed up. So you got a good chunk of the competition all launching out of the same spot that's getting bad because that means either a people know that there's fish up here. Be they're all going to your spot or see like nobody knows. Well, you know that and the fact that there were four other full-fledged tournaments going at Shane. Yes, and they pull everyone the Mendota was off-limits. Yeah. So other there was a like a Collegiate Bass Tournament a Musky tournament. A high school Bass Tournament. It was in our Collegiate 1/2 or something. Yeah, the Collegiate one was the first one I said. Oh, so I forgot the other one was yeah, there was supposed to be something like 400 boats on the Southern Lakes plus the the locals. Yeah plus yet plus n all the pleasure boaters. Yes, absolutely. So they talked about that at the meeting as well. So I think a lot of People opted to go up up that way but when we all took off there was a couple people heading that direction and you know, I think I've stated this before. I'm not a huge fan of peddling. I put my tail off and thought when I finally got to my spot I was going to have a heart attack, but that didn't happen. I'm here. I'm good, but it was funny. I know there was like two or three guys in hobie's that went to the left of me. And I think one of them was Don Thompson, and then there was like three or four kayaks that headed towards where that launched on Governors Island was the Dylan I think his last name's fuck wah or something folkway or something the kid that want it he went directly to the right because him and his dad were sitting there while they stayed at our campsite Friday night. So we got to chat and really get to know Dylan and we can get into that in a second as well. But he's like I got a feeling we're all going to the same place and I'm like, well, I'm going straight Dylan's like which way you Goin. I'm like straight. He's like, I'm like, which way are you going? He's like I'm going right. Okay. Well, I guess we're not heading to the same spot. So that works but after seeing the results, I probably should have gone right? Yeah, but it's would have it up there. Yeah, but so I get out to my spot and you know, my thought process on that was is there's got to be bigger fish out there when we got out there. We got out there late morning and ran into some good fish and I think when we ran into those fish they were just moving out deep when we finally got on them. And you know, I'm like there's got to be bigger fish earlier in the morning. They should be up on the top of that ledge feeding or right in the same spot. So I got out there and I had Mark the spots where I caught fish and I posted a picture on Instagram of the chart on my depth finder and you can see these lines. I mean, I was just going back and forth. Fourth off this the edge of this ledge and I started working on that deeper side and I was like getting nothing. I'm like, you got to be kidding me. Like, please don't let this happen and I'm like, let's move in Shallow see if they're there and sure enough like bam. I think I caught a 17 or 16 and a half or something right off the bat and I'm like, let's do this game on baby. And I got five fish probably in the first hour and a half. Yeah, I'd probably say it was like the first hour and a half of the tournament and I was leading and I'm like whole like because there was a lot of chitter-chatter. Like I don't know man. I've just been catching like 14 15 16 inch fish. Like I can't find any big ones and I mean I know from talking to Dylan he's like, yeah, I don't know like I don't know what I'm going to do. He's like I've In Big Fish, I just and then able, you know a bite. So what he was doing was bad fishing throwing a creature Pate in the beds and that's how he got his fish and he upgraded all day because I saw him I kept checking the leaderboard and you know, I saw him climbing because I always check the leaderboard after I submit a fish to make sure it went through and it's showing up on there and you know, I'm good and you know, I'm going through and like I was leading half the morning. I think I texted you and I was like dude like holy crap and you were just like keep it up man. Like keep going but going back to what you were talking about. Once that sun gets up. They like disappear everything changes and that's definitely what happened. So like I would catch a bunch of fish and then like all of a sudden nothing. I'd move out a foot or two. And I start catching fish again and I caught a bunch of fish. Like I did upgrade once I think I had like a 15 and a quarter 15 and a half and I upgraded that to a 16 was my smallest fish. So I ended up with a 17 and three-quarter a 17. It was like a 16 and a half 16 and a quarter and a 16 and which was a solid back and I just could not find another fish and I move spots. I went down to that River spot. I caught more fish but nothing over 16. Well, nothing over 14 to be exact and I ended up running into Brad down there and he's like man, he's like, I just caught my fifth fish and I think there was like an hour and a half left to go. I'm like well start upgrading dude, like I think his smallest fish was 12 inches and Thank you upgraded once or twice before he got off the water. And you know, I just kind of watch the standings. I'm like, you know is what it is. Hopefully the like this holds out for top 10 and you know, nobody's really sandbagging or anything and you know sure enough, you know finished eighth in the trail and second in the Pro. So yeah, super happy. It's okay top 10 in The trail and top three in the Pro is all I wanted, you know, just just cash a check and get some aoy points. But deadly nedley got it done and color was key color was definitely key. And that was the thing too is I could have used you tournament morning because I just like every time I caught a fish boats just got closer and closer and guess her and that one point. I don't know. The gentleman's name. I've seen him before I forget where it was, but he was fishing in a Hobie and you know, he was fishing in close and then slowly worked his way out to me and I'm sure that's because you saw me catching fish, but he was drop shot and I threw saw the rig he was thrown it was like a drop shot with like a white small like fluke or Swim bait on it and he wasn't catching anything and he ended up taking off but at one point ain't we were probably I don't know 60 yards from each other fishing that ledge and this guy these three guys in a boat like pull up and like stop like 80 feet in front of them and we just kind of looked at each other because the guy was going to go like straight towards in front of me too. And you know, I hear him go. Hey, bro you going Like just park in front of me or what are you doing? And he's trolling motor blah blah blah blah blah and he ended up moving out of the way, but he was just like we were both like seriously man, like what the hell, you know, and like I said, there was so many big boats. Yeah, especially we're right around where I was and I saw very few fish being caught and every time I caught one. I got choked so and it sucked because I was fighting the wind. So I think that was part of my problem too is like I couldn't move. Yeah, I couldn't move back onto my spot because I was getting blown by the wind and you know, these other guys are obviously getting blown behind me. So there was a few times where I had to like go out towards the deep and then go around them and then come back in because I wasn't going to be a jerk and like just cut in front of them. Like they were all of us. I mean I should But I mean, I got better etiquette than that. Yeah, you see a lot of that man. It's yeah, it's interesting. I mean some people get it and even I've gotten too close. I'm like, oh man, I gotta back off. Yeah, but I mean, it's it happens when you're in the zone and you're fishing like and and especially when you get the wind factor, you know, all of a sudden you're like, oh crap, I'm on top of this guy gotta move. Yeah, you know and usually when that happens I'm like, oh sorry, man, like, you know, No, when blew me whatever, you know wasn't paying attention. I apologize in nine times out of ten you say that and it's all good. It's all good. You know, I was on those points and like you know that second time. I've been DOTA and like we had a lot of boats around me, but we all kind of choreographed pretty well. Yeah, so it never got like weird. Some of you was too close and I think once people realize it you can kind of see people getting done fishing in the area. They would just take off. You know, I was very determined at that spot. I was like I am not leaving, you know, so I can't go back up. You know, fun fact while I'm doing it. I broke my Rudder steering pretty thoroughly. I lost one one track bar on the side and then the last the right one then I was screwed but my Rudder got stuck like bent as I can my pedal they Is going like a right turn I was going I was like I did a couple thrusts. I'm like, okay, it's gonna be great as like the winds kicking up. That's when I got windy. I'm in Dota and then I don't know it's it was great. It was great. Let's just say Jay had a rough weekend. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah deposited by sessions five and it would be so 10 feet of water. Did you ever like did you put a mark on your death fire? No, but I did go to Amazon today and replace it. I was going to see if we got any Super divers out there, you know. Go find Janesville ProForm. It's it's it 10 feet and it's super grassy. There's no way his know where there's a will there's a way bro. Well, it's got a tripod on it too. So funny. It's bug brand-new go find it so over there. It's right out of like where the not where the launches but that other spot little further away just follow the weed line, right? It's in the green stuff. I know somebody was like what exactly why don't you just die for it? I'm like it was Rocky. I probably would have well like that that was a situation I ran into when I was down in down in Tennessee when I lost my phone like I seriously thought about diving down trying to find it what it was in current in like 14 foot of water. It's a little farther. I mean I got the mark on my deaf liner where it's at, but I'm sure it's further Downstream now. Oh, it's swimming is a whole. For the cancellation. We haven't done it for a while. Yeah. Yeah plus you're old. Yeah, I am. It's when I wouldn't have done. Well either totally like but there was a second there. I was like go for it. Like I was like, there's no way I mean, I looked right at my Sonar and stuff are we read the down scan on I looked over and I was like, there's no way that is no way to find this thing. Yeah, so I just kind of chalk. It up is to well deserve loss Ryan and that's why there's a wall I sit in my fridge because it was it that things fault. Yeah and partly Brian's but we won't talk. How is it my fault? You come help me land - hey, I was thinking I was thinking food so I could feed you man. Yeah, I bet mmm, what a trying experience. Sorry. Jay. Yeah, it happens. I guess yeah is so yeah, Dylan was throwing a white creature bait on those beds. He figured out that they would bite that and he was using white so we could see the fish actually pick it up, which is something you should do when your bed fishing usually those fish are aggressive and they just want to move whatever is intruding their space off the bed and he upgraded several times throughout Out the day and I think Dusty was doing something similar. I briefly heard the to talking so I don't want to say exactly but I'm pretty sure Dusty was bed fishing as well. I don't I don't know if what exactly he was using but I know Dylan it showed me what he was using and congrats again to him. However something interesting did unfold. At at the results in you know, I'm not trying to pick on anybody bringing this up. But I think this is something we should talk about. We got some newer to kayak fishing and kayak Tournament Fishing and you know, they called the top ten up there in this. This gentleman was like Hey, man, like I will you didn't call my name I should be up there. And he had what would have put him in second place? I believe he had a pretty healthy bag. He had like something like a half or three quarters of an inch more than what Dusty had and you know, they were like, all right, hold on. Let's let's see what's going on and supposedly the gentleman had an issue upload and fish like it wouldn't allow him to upload to the The trail tournament and so what he did is he took the photos and he uploaded it to the Wisconsin monthly. And I think he thought because like the den of fire the timestamp the location would be attached to those photos. They would just assume like that was for the trail event. I don't know. But what kind of think of that though? There will be like two distinct different numbers. Sophia's fish in the monthly the monthly we have different numbers than the will rape you optional turn right right now I mean, okay, so sorry observing that well, here's my thought process and then you you can think about this or chime in on this. So yeah that indeed there would be two different tournament identification numbers one for the Wisconsin monthly one for And I'm assuming it was a Wisconsin monthly. I just heard monthly through through some chitter-chatter. And and then the actual Trail event would have its own separate identifier number. So he uploaded those photos to the monthly now. Here's the problem. He never called the tournament director. He didn't bring it up at check-in in in he didn't get those photos uploaded by the upload deadline. So he waited till the awards. You know and he never saw his name on the leaderboard. I mean obviously he was looking at the leaderboard because he knew he should have been in the top ten. So why why wouldn't you say something and that that's where it all comes from. So now the upload period is already passed and now you're bringing it up. So, you know, that's the thing is nobody knew about it, and I'm sure whoever the judge was for. The trail is someone different who judges the monthly. So I mean the monthly person like sometimes it could be days before they approve your photo, you know, it's not like instantly and I think Amanda Brennan she works for the kbf was the person judging photos because they said all right. Hold on. Let's figure this out and they called Amanda, too. figured out and then the guy explained what he did and you know, he was like, well, I believe he was talking to Derek Akin and he's like, well, did you tell anybody? And you know, I I just step back. I was like this isn't my place like you guys figure it out whatever so they ended up, you know, there's a 48-hour dispute period with kbf but you know after talking to a couple guys were all like I really don't think that's going to fly. You know it. Well, I mean, here's the biggest thing about it like this it already The weekly are the monthly identity of monthly identifying identification number code. Whatever is going to be different from the trail series, you know first and foremost second if you ever have trouble with your app, you should call somebody right away right as you even you and Brad said you had some issues with uploading hit the button like 8 or 10 times yet to take right so, but but Is the other thing if you're doing one of these tournaments you're going to tell me that you're not like insanely fanatic about the app and making sure you're on the right, you know the right tournament your I mean everything about it would scream like hey, you're on the right thing to be submitting your photos again. If you're having issues. They have a phone number. You can call during the tournament. Let somebody know when real time that you're having this issue. And then save your pictures obviously because then you can because then you're prepared. Okay, this is failing. I've got to upload as soon as I get to somewhere where there's some Wi-Fi or something or again call them and tell them I have issues and I have my pictures you got a lot of time for that. Now when you show up you already know you have this issue, but I know that you're putting your pictures on the right tournament. Yep, you know tournament page and you don't want to keep that a secret. Yeah, you just don't I mean, it's I mean, I just don't you know, I mean me personally, I mean it's a lesson learned for that guy. But sure I I'm not I'm not saying the dudes eating of course. I'm not saying that but oh no, I mean it's not it's not coming together for me. I don't know. Yeah, I just they just don't know. Yeah, it just didn't make sense. Like why why would you upload them to the monthly like unless he did it on accident and even realize it it's the only thing I can think of no because I in this is all hearsay to so I'll say that you know, but who I talked to had talked to him directly, I believe, you know something about like, you know, when you pull up tourney acts it shows the tournament you're enrolled in and yeah, when you go to upload and you got to click on that the trail event was Even on their supposedly from what I understand and he couldn't even click on that it like it wasn't even listed. The only thing he had listed was the monthly and that's why he uploaded to that supposedly. There's the well, here's the thing to you that you could have done a work around it with you like online the right the like regular web page red red. Well, not only that but you take your photos and you get to check-in which I remember when he showed up because I showed up early because I got off the water a little early. I knew I wasn't going to operate great any fish where I was fishing Eddie's bathroom to but real yeah. Yeah, that was a real reason but you know, I got off the water like 20 minutes early and I got to check in fairly early. There was hardly anybody there and I remember he got After fairly early and why he didn't say anything to Susie or Derek Aiken and that's another thing too is not too sidetracked. But this was hosted by Great Lakes kayak fishing series Susie roll-off was a tournament director and Derek and was a co-director and I thought they did an awesome job put on an awesome event Pizza Hut donated like 40 pizzas for the captain's meeting and the way in like so we got fed. We got Beverages and goodie bags and stuff. So thank you to those guys for doing such an awesome job, but why he didn't talk to those people or make a phone call? Like that's a thing like when I lost my phone at Nikka Jack. The first thing I did was I got to shore found a guy with a phone and called the tournament director. And I was like, hey, what's my options? Like this is the trouble I'm having. I know you're busy right now. But unfortunately, I'm in a situation and that was the first thing I did and I took my photos on my GoPro and he told me this is what you got to do. You got to get those photos uploaded by whatever ways you need to do it in order to have your fish submitted. So I had to get off the water early drive to my laptop. Stop that was an hour and something away and get my photos uploaded before the deadline. So that way at least I had my five fish submitted, you know. So again, I'm not like bringing this up to like pick on anybody or anything like that, you know, it sucks that I even have to put that disclaimer out there. But you know, we always talk about learning from our mistakes, right? And this was a mistake that a gentleman had and it was a unique situation. So that's why I'm bringing it up. So yeah. Yeah. So yeah, I mean the moral of the story is yeah you have any issues whatsoever on the water any issues all the director let them know what your deficiencies are right now what issues having special events to do with the app because they can probably go and like the background make sure that in this case the names on there or that the actual link to the tournament is on the app sure they can help it. Meanwhile, you've already taken those pictures so you should be good to go. Right and if worst comes to worst you can show you can you know arrived at the scene and you know, whether you do it from a laptop or you you know, maybe you can do it from the cloud. I don't know. I'm just saying right, right, you know or do the roundabout don't use the app go to the website as are what's called sign in and work, you know work through it there, but right there's other avenues to let some we know what's going on. You know, you just can't keep a secret. Figure they're not going to know. Yeah, just like in this this so this guy isn't mentioned at all in the winnings, which he legitimately could have been. Yeah. Well it sucks because if if he would have had his fish submitted, he would have taken second place and if he was signed up for bonus box that's 1,200 bucks thousand for second place and 204 bonus bucks. And that's a huge kick in the nuts. Like I would be furious too. You know, I know he was kind of upset. I mean he didn't cause a scene or anything, but at least my knowledge, but you know, he was he was pretty distraught. I mean that's that's a good chunk of change man. And yeah, it sucks, you know, so I mean that's the thing a mistake like that can cost you legit thousand dollars, you know, if not more, you know, yeah Eddie been had he had the inches for First place that's 2,300 bucks plus, you know, if he was wearing enter s you know how to catch board, you know, whatever. I mean you get all those other incentives if you take first place, so I don't know man. It's a bummer and it's an unfortunate situation, but I thought it should be shared. Well, I wanted to say this to you like this is something similar but different so I actually got a second place. In the River Basin tournament once lo and behold actually on the chain and the thing was though is that we heard about who's a friend of mine. One of the guys Josh he ended up flipping is is yak in the river and we all heard about this before he arrived because everyone was like, well, where is he because he has a partner in crime to that. He was with and we're waiting we're waiting and stuff and we all kind of voted like, well, you know, they actually let us Aside like hey if he shows up or when he shows up on, you know deep are you okay with our do you accept the option of him? Maybe still submitting his fish, you know, and everyone was like well, yeah because it was such an unfortunate situation and this is except that you know, and that you know, what's it called an exception to the rule but you know, we knew he flipped his Yak. We knew that he lost some stuff. He broke some stuff. I'm like, well, why not? Just I mean I'd let him I mean it's make his day a little better. Yeah, dude had a rough day on the water at least give them. Yeah, throw him a bone, you know. Yeah and he shows up. He's like I got my phone. I'm like, oh you can submit your stuff and he's like, no. It's an apple. So that's internal memory phone wouldn't turn on so it was done. So had he had a Droid he could have taken it as Heats are because they're waterproof. And so that that, you know, you should know that to for vision, but he we would have let him submit his fish and then when he told me his fish the sizes he had he would have taken second he would have he would have called me down to third but I need but that's a testament to a to it's like we knew what was going on. And then some decisions were made granted a thousand bucks wasn't online. But you know just I don't know just because we're all fishermen and there's kind of a Creed that a lot of us except, you know between you know, we want to keep it as Fair as possible kayaking. It's you know, you're going to flip every now and then yeah, it's not a matter of if it's a matter of when Shawn, you know, but I mean, like I said, it was similar different at the same time. So he did let somebody know we did find out. Now and he could have saved his own day that you know, he could submit his fish but you know Electronics failed and you know, that was that but I mean point being he alerted people we knew and you know, people started making decisions based off of that and that could have been something to write if it's like, so that's another thing, you know, there's rules in place. There's always an acceptance of the role, you know? Yeah, right ain't that right? I feel like I'm not saying that right exception. An exception I keep seeing acceptance, you know it is I don't have anything sense ception. I need I need my brain juice. But I mean, yeah, so an exception to the rule, you know, although kbf is a little more harsh but my point is is yeah, let's let me know what's up, you know? Yeah. It's like the implicit. I need to know where your anyway, so, you know, it sounds going sideways. Let somebody know. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's just the biggest thing. You know, it's just Keeping people in the loop when you got issues. And you know, let's be honest. I mean apps crash, you know, and I think they had an issue at the National Championship this year the year before and stuff like that where like guys can submit their fish and stuff. So, you know, they worked it out. I mean, especially when you get a ton of traffic going all to the same app or website, so to speak, you know, like those servers can only handle so much. So much and I remember watching like one of the way in days or something for the national championship and Hoover. It said that you know tourney acts that brought on some more servers so it could handle all the traffic and stuff like that. So they were working Al Kinks You know, I remember seeing a Glenn Blanchard video when he was fishing one of the it might have been a kbf event out in Earlier this year and he was having issues uploading as fish and then all of a sudden they call them they're like well your uploads are working because you just submitted the same fish like seven times but he had already called them and said, hey like I'm having an issue so they figured it out when they saw the same fish seven times. So he's like, he should be good. But what it was is it like he would upload the fish and it would get uploaded attorney X, but it wouldn't show up in his like live. Well or or you know Stringer or whatever so I mean those things do have issues. So if you have an issue and that's why you know kbf you got to go through the rules addendum for every tournament and it'll list boundaries it'll list submit times. It'll have the tournament directors phone number on there or the people you should contact if you have a problem and You know, unfortunately, you know, this gentleman didn't do it. But you know, there's a reason why they put that stuff on there. So always go through and like check that stuff out, you know, because when I lost my phone what I did is, you know, when I found that guy on Shore thank God he was there. I was like came in like explaining the situation and I actually had to go I'm like can I actually, you know use like your browser website or you know internet I'm like I have to find this phone number and that's what I did. I went to turn e ex went to the event page found Richard pennies. Yeah, that was Richard pennies phone number called him and you know, he picked up and you know, we figured it out, you know, that's what you do in that kind of situation or any situation where you're having problems. So, yep, sometimes it doesn't work out. But it's part of the game. Yeah. Yeah. I mean you can lead a horse to water don't mean he's going to drink. Well, if you know what let's segue over to the blue sky, so now so now because I want to hear you talk about this thing. I want you and when that banners coming down, so I'm going to get I'm going to get you a blue sky just put over it at that. Yeah. Bye. I want one of those blue fancy blue my guy shirts you were You're wearing over the weekend those that it's pretty nice and you know, I had that before it even came up. Anyway, so we're talking about blue sky, so you've now had experience on the blue sky for quite a bit of time quite a bit of miles with the prop 2 blade. Yeah. So talk about that and like in basically how it differs from, you know, everything else you've use and what's now what is really starting to engrave. This getting a blue sky because you've talked extensively about it. And it sounds like it's a done deal. So everything Jay said about the two bladed prop was absolutely correct. I think we talked about well, we had guests the last two episodes. I think it was when you went up to Fremont lake and you tried it out and you were like, holy crap, and I know you know, I talked to A couple guys at the shop and rock Town adventures and I was like, I don't know Jay says it's like that was what the problem was. So like I decided last minute. I was I worked at the shop Wednesday night and talking to Travis. Shout out to t-bone Happy Birthday Travis. Happy birthday buddy, and we just did a little float trip today, but You know, I was like, hey man, anybody demo in the blue sky this weekend. He's like, nope. He's like you want to take it now. I was like, yep fish out a blue sky this weekend and I said, but we need to put a two bladed prop on it and he's like they didn't send it to me yet. And I said, well, there's one on the wall. So when they send it to you will put it back in the package. So we swapped out the prop right then and there. and we launched out of Governors Island and it was the same thing. I think you got three petals in and I was like, holy yep Nikes and you just started laughing here. Look I told you I told you but yeah, and I know Ricketts talked about it. Shout out to Jason Rick. It's he had talked about it and what a huge difference like that resistance in that Jackson Drive just isn't there anymore. It was like Smooth paddle in regular steady Cadence pedal. I'm definitely not as fast as Ricketts. He's probably in more shape than I am. But I was I was getting like for four point two miles an hour, which was cruising. I mean if I really paddled I could get over 5, but you know, then I thought I was going to have Heart attack like tournament morning. So like when my legs got tired, I like actually leaned over and started pedaling with my hands. It's just so I can get to my spot before everybody else. I was so worried about it that's dedication folks. But dude, what a what a huge difference, you know, I've talked about the PDL dry before that drive is like super turkey and and quick. The only thing like I didn't really like about the PDL drive when I took it out on the Predator was it's a fixed. So if you hit something You're going to get stopped in your tracks or you're going to break the prop which I've broken a prop because when that thing locks down I took it down there when I fished Banner Marsh for the kbl makeup event for synchronous. I think it was and did you go down there with me? The banner. Yeah the second time somebody with me. I was there for the tournament without second time. I forget who the heck went down there with me and then Chris from the kbl lose out here in Rockford - down there either way. when you stand up in that thing, I think I had like kicked or when I move my footage unlock the drive from being in the locked position. So when I went to like take off and I like had some weeds on the prop, so I backpedaling then peddled for a real fast that whole dry popped up. In one of the blades broke off so and not only that when you go into shorty got to like mess with pulling that thing up and getting it set up, right so you're not dragging it or whatever. So that's what I didn't like about that. What other pedal drive by taken out? Oh, I have peddled Jacob roughs Titan 12. It's a smooth paddling boat. It's just not fast like the gearing in it. It just isn't right in my opinion. I think it could be faster. Either that or it's just because those things are Titans, you know, they're big heavy boats and they got kind of a goofy Hall designed so they don't move through the water like an actual like kayak, but You know the flex Drive actually played a part. So I fish that River and what Ricketts said about fishing rivers is legit. I was floating pedaling through one point two feet of water. And never touch bottom. The only time I touch bottom is when I came in to Shore and that flux Drive kicked up into the hall for I pulled it up. The boat is super slick man. It's it's definitely a head turner. A lot of people. Look at it. Don Thompson made a made a comment to me right before we took off. He's like dead things like cheating. I was like, it's no different than your PA 14 bro, and then he took off so but you know it like Ricketts said, it's not it's not a kayak. It's about for sure. It's different its kind of in the kayak family for sure, but it's different and you know, a lot of people think you could like. You got all this room to move around and stuff which isn't necessarily true like yeah, you could swivel the chair around and go back to your black pack, which I had mine strapped to the back. I had my depth finder mounted to a yak attack so block and I had a yak attack switchblade. Running the transducer and that was on the side rail there and you know, would that pedal drive in the front? You can't really move around a ton. You can potentially trip on it and end up in the drink. That's something I learned because I tried to move around a bunch. So the real struggle I had which I think we talked about it. Night is I didn't like practice like taking pictures of fish on my bump board and I was like how the hell is this going to work? Because if that's that's the downfall of that boat, right? It's so open fish flops. It's going in the drink. So I kind of put a game plan together where I put some rods in that built-in Rod Stager that's on the one side and kind of created a fence. I put it so it was standing up not laying down there was rods there and it actually worked because I had a fish flop off the board hit those rods and then like came back towards me. So it was almost like having a gunnel wall on your kayak and I could only net fish on the one side of the boat because of that. I mean I probably could have done it to the other side, but I just kind of fought those fish to the one side so I can net. Mm and Yeah, I mean, I got a ton of fish out of that boat all all weekend long, you know, so it there are some things that you wouldn't think about, you know being in a traditional kayak and looking at that you can like that's like that's just floating barge. Yeah, it kind of is but it's like You know, you definitely got a pedal your butt off to get that thing moving, you know, it's heavier to load and unload. However, I did get a pretty nifty little system down for it where I can get loaded up but not only that I could leave most of my stuff set up so I could just pull it out drop the landing gear pull it off the the Bed Extender and and wheel it away so Super impressed man kudos to Jackson for really going through it, you know, you know, obviously I'm not a Jackson guy. So that's an unbiased position. What do you mean? You're not Jackson guy? Well you are my eyes. Might have to put in a phone call there and stagger all he doesn't like to admit it. Yeah, but I was super impressed man, and it was funny because me and Ricketts were texting back and forth. He was like kill him in the blue sky bro, like you got this, you know, because he was asking about the leaderboard that morning or something. He had texted me about something else or maybe a screenshot the Standings and I sent it to him and so we were chatting back and forth via text all weekend about it. But yeah, it's super cool man. I just got to figure out however work, you know as far as transport with mobile HQ and all that stuff because we actually had to put that thing on the roof rack on top of the mobile HQ trailer several times up and yeah, and there's nothing Easiest thing in the world. It's actually quite wonderful. Jeez. Jeez pretty strong now after the weekend. Yeah, that's not I don't even like put my own kayak up there let alone in that thing. Like it's a matter of fact when like you're like, hey, we're taking mobile HQ am like, okay Kilroy it is. Yeah. Nope. Nope. Nope, it'll drive. I'll stick with paddle. Yeah. Yeah, it's I would say you need That tray. Yeah, something like I'll figure it out. But yeah, I think a blue sky maybe getting added to the collection. I have to say man. It looks good on you. What can I say? I can't turn this off like you say? Yes. I just can't turn this off. I guess that's applicable night. Yeah. So yeah, it was it's cool man. It's a great boat. I dig it. I enjoyed my time in it and You know, we came home from Madison went out on my home Lake and you got some Redemption. Yeah, they had got a lot of bike probably around 20. Yeah, I would say it was like after I figured out exactly what they wanted. That was it was like the icing on the cake because I mean you remember when we were leaving I'm like, so we're going to it was like we're going by Scott. He's going to go by Delavan. Are we going around? Like I was just like I need to go somewhere because yeah, I Mojo just didn't seem like it was there and I'm like I've been striking out lately and you know that goes just like man, but I'll tell you it was fun being on your Lake especially since I miss like those first five bike. Yeah. I was like do I know how to do this anymore? And then once I nailed down exactly what they're hitting just by trying to feed a few different things out. I was like this perfect. Let's do this. So what were you tossing out there? Because I'm not even sure I knew what you were throwing. Well, I started off with the a crevasse Sonic shed. It's like a five inch soft plastic bait paddle tail with a half ounce underspin. I was throwing that I was getting some his I actually hooked a fish but couldn't bring them out of the weeds. You got away then I was like well, let me start throwing the white cheddar be just to see how that works. It's azim and the think it was a three Force no 5/8 ChatterBait with the 6-inch swimmers Shadow over the whole thing is another Z man thing. Anyway, start their own that I was getting. I was definitely getting fish. I lost the fish course. This is these are one hook type lures. So it's not a slam dunk every time you're going to it's easy to fish the weeds, but you're going to miss fish sometimes but but that was the main reason for those two. Ooh, I was like I was using just single blade or single hooked lures are a little more streamlined to cut through the weeds because there are a lot of weeds and then and then I just got kind of was like well, I've got a few now so and some large mouth akali to large about how there and then I was like well, let me start throwing the announced that the the ounce redhead because it's not an ounce and a half like my other stuff we're runs too deep because I was running about five feet of water at times but it still has enough where you could drop it down. You know 13 feet if you want. That's why I like it because they track real good at low depth. But yeah, I started doing that and then kind of ripping it through the weeds. Sure May. That was it like they like, I mean, it was like I could almost call my shots like once I figured that out. I remember we took off and I was like watch this J First cast. I'll catch a pike and you were like, you better not and the second. Cast I had a pike bite off my swim made and you were like what the heck what the heck and then we kind of like when separate directions. I went I went out deep and you went up Shallow in the weeds and I texted you and I was like dude, I'm hammering the bass and you're like I got like I forget how many Pike you said you you had caught at that point, but I was like, oh thank God. Yeah. I was like Jays gonna have a breakdown if he doesn't catch a pike out here. Like I was like losses. Yeah. It was cool. We live stream down the the Instagram. It's probably not up there anymore because I think that only he's out for like 24 or 48 hours I forget but you know if you land in probably one of the biggest ones you caught that day but also I stream to I was catching some chunky bass like six teens to 20s out deep like females and I was trying a new technique that like I'm not super familiar with and I remember I was telling you and you're like what you've never thrown a Shaky Head before it was like no dude like that was one of the things I wanted to work on this year like I've been doing a ton of finesse fishing and obviously it's been you know working well for me but you know Shaky Head was one of the things I wanted to like really start working on and dialing in and dude I was just hammering fish and I remember the Godfather called me at one point I had my cell phone on speaker in my life jacket pocket and it was like Every four or five minutes, I'll go another one and he was like dude. He's like, I remember at the end of the phone call. He's like, well, this was the greatest live fishing show ever next time you're out. Let me know. I'm going to call you, you know, because I was taking pictures and sending them to him and stuff like that. So it was pretty funny. But you know, I did a live stream about, you know, just expanding the toolbox and trying new techniques and things like that. So it was just one of those things, you know. once you start dialing things in man, it's just another thing to add so Yeah, it's just like I wanted to figure out what they were what they were hitting. Exactly. And yeah, what they would anyway, and I think I got pretty close to it. I mean you saw me off that one the one Grassy Point sure. I called like fish like a same spot. Yeah, really dude another one another one. Yeah. I mean it was crazy. I could like call it. I mean it was a great day. It was on you know, which was great and it was cloudy. I was like, oh Che got his mojo back. Yes. I was so upset when we got there in the sun was out of Billy cloudy the whole way home and then it like the sun poked out and you're just like what the heck dude be a Fighting Chance is just this is just off. It's too funny. That's too funny too funny. So well, I guess I guess the new news big announcement super happy to announce. Ounce teaming up with a great organization called operation outdoors and I am taking on the role of regional coordinator for the state of Illinois. I'm sure a lot of you guys are familiar with Heroes on the water operation Outdoors is very similar. However, it's not only for veterans. Yes, but First Responders and basically what we do is we create opportunities to just kind of help out those who have served for us, you know, whether it be a military veteran or fire police, you know, EMT just provide them with an opportunity and their families to get outdoors and do some cool stuff and we're not only fishing and kayak fishing. And we're also doing hunting camping hiking golfing trips and you know other Outdoors things just just to help and you know kind of give back and you know help some of these guys who maybe struggle with like PTSD and some you know, stuff like that. So, Would be forever grateful if you guys just go and check them out and if anybody's interested in helping out go to operation - Outdoors dot-org. It's a 501c3 non for profit, but it's a cool thing and I'm super happy and to be offered the spot Brad her boss is one of the bigger people in the Seishin and he reached out to me we met at the Wisconsin fishing show and you know, we got some baits. He used to be part of Heroes on the water. But he wanted to do something more than just the kayak fishing in the thing about operation Outdoors is it you're not taking like 20 guys and throwing them in a kayak and you know, Here you go. Like this is what we're doing. It's more of a one-on-one situation like a private guided trip, you know, some guys that are you know suffering with, you know, certain things from you know, their time served, you know being in big crowds of people sometimes isn't the best so we do like a more intimate thing. If anybody's interested in helping out where in many states and you know, ideally we would like to be in all 50 states. So, you know, if you want to volunteer to you know, take a guy out, you know kayaking or kayak fishing or something like that or fishing in general just go to operation outdoors and the how to help page and just fill that out. Tell them you heard about it on Patti. Finn podcast but yeah, it's super cool man, you know, there's one thing two things that get me excited and that's getting youth involved in doing outdoors type things, especially nowadays with technology, but the second thing is, you know, giving back to Veterans those who have served and you know, that's why you know, I was all about jumping on helping Eric Richard Hammer lures. With recycling Plastics program, you know, it's just a huge thing. I mean, it's it's a really small thing that you know, we've done with that recycling program compared to what these guys have done for us in a hole. So anything I can do to give back and you know, I never served I've had some some friends and Some people I went to high school with that actually went out to Afghanistan and stuff and never never made it home. So that's something that I hold dear to my heart and it's just a great organization and I couldn't be happier to just kind of help give back to those people. You know, I know there's some EMTs that saved my life back in the day. Like I literally shouldn't be here but, you know, we won't get into that but Awesome, EMT save my life after a car wreck. So, you know. Situations like that makes you want to help kind of give back to to those types of folks without them, you know. You never know. So they're the ones that fought for our freedoms to go out and fish every weekend and participate in tournaments do this podcast and have a free speech program, you know, so I mean, it's just a good way to get back into my opinion and looking forward to getting the Ellen oi chapter off the ground. So yeah, if you guys would be kind and check it out and see what What it's all about, I think you'll be surprised so. Boom good. Yeah, buddy. Yeah buddy super excited so buddy, so but yeah, man. That's that eat you got anything else to add to this evenings episode? No, sir. I'm good with that being said recycling program recycling Plastics program savior. Use Plastics send them to the address in the show notes. Let's go out to Eric Richards email so it's down makes new baits. They get donated to give her some water. And hopefully operation Outdoors. We'll see I got to talk to Eric about that. But give our friends at Southern Lake Co Austin, what up? Southern Lake company.com awesome apparel fishing Bates things of that nature give them a check out check out rocked on adventures all the demo days or down in the show notes as well. If you're looking at getting a new boat to you new listeners. Thank you for stopping by and checking out the paddle and fin podcast. We got new episodes every Tuesday morning. They are live when you crawl out of bed. Check out next week's episode. Sewed and if you guys got a question comment, you know want to reach out paddle letter N in fin at gmail.com or hit us up on our social media at paddle letter n and Finn. paddle and Fin.com that's where you can find all sorts of goodness and we've had.com. Yeah buddy until next time. tight lines smooth paddling

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What's going on? Professionally silly listeners? It's Sia audible Boo Thang Amber Smiles Jones and coming at you recorded here from the anchor app. So I am I actually owe you guys an apology. I couldn't put up the podcast episode that I have prepared for you guys this past Friday. Normally I post every Friday but this past week has its kicked my ass. Honestly this past year has been very difficult, but normally not post every Friday like ISaid but I didn't give a chance to so I like to share with you some of what happened. So last Friday early morning. I was recording the podcast I had prepared for you and it was going to be a good one to you. You guys are going to love it. We were going to be discussing the last meal request of death row inmates and what they did to get on death row, but when I took a break from recording that day, I thought I could use some caffeine. I really needed it. I've been trying to do so much all at once and sleep really isn't something I get a lot of these days as a content creator Chasing the Dream there is just so much needs to be done. You know. I I moved here from I moved here in Los Angeles from Atlanta to be an actor and a stand-up comedian and a content creator and other things, you know, just just Chasing the Dream because I have a degree in Performing Arts. so acting has always been something that I've been into you know, so one thing that I did learn living here in Los Angeles is that you know, and also Chasing the Dream and living and learning in the modern world that this is a very competitive field obviously, but if you want to make it in this competitive world and you don't want and you execute, excuse me, and you actually want to be a part of something creative, sometimes you need to be the one that Creates it. If you want to be a part of something awesome and kick ass, you have to be the one to make that sometimes, you know, not to mention. You never really know who will come across anything that you create. Maybe one day Spike Lee will see my shit and be like, hey, I want you to be in my next movie. You never know. Maybe me and Ryan Reynolds will like, you know, he'll hear a podcast think you're hilarious. I want you to be my next comedy. I don't know. I don't know why those are the ones that I chose as a an example of who could come across. Material but you know, whatever. So that's the dream right there to be able to create something someone awesome recognizing it and maybe one day I can actually be paid for my creative my creativity and my hard work that is the dream right there. So in short a bitch is busy as fuck constantly at all times. So when when I was about to grab my wallet for the coffee fix and the caffeine fix that I Really needed I was going to go to my favorite coffee shop called honey and bacon and I realized that my wallet is gone. So naturally, I ripped through my apartment like an indoor hurricane and guys. I I am being so literal when I say this, I turned over everything the furniture my couches my bed. I turned my closet inside-out literally there is there was this bear was just clothes everywhere just it was crazy and halfway through destroying my Apartment it dawned on me that II wasn't destroying my apartment just because I was looking for my wallet but also because I was letting out so much frustration that I thought that I buried and then I'll just came out. I mean I was crying and breathing hard and just just letting it all out. I didn't scream because you know, I do live in an apartment building and I guess a part of my cock part of my My self-awareness was you know, don't bring attention to yourself, but I was letting it all out and it turns out once the gates opened I could not shut them at least not as quickly as I opened them. So after my huge adult tantrum, I looked at my apartment, which was just a mess. I looked at my cat and she looked at me and literally turned and walked away like she just she just Judge me because I trashed our home but you know, whatever and I never found my wallet and I later realized, you know, when it was taken from me and you know, which I really don't want to go into details on that. It was just a bad week. Okay, but I now I now have to replace everything and shut things off like my license. I got to get my bank cards all of it. You know, my bank is in Atlanta because I refuse to switch Because I'm just I was just so happy with their service. Like, you know, I just wasn't sure I was going to switch it up plus the others mobile deposit and direct deposit. So I was good, you know, I and I only have a Georgia driver's license to so literally everything I need is in Georgia, so and I'm still in La so so I'm still in the throes of having all of this stuff taken care of and in the thing that I guess. Shocked me the most is it was that small thing that just opened up and in a box just a whole box of holy shit inside of my studio apartment like many people have lost their wallets or gotten them stolen or gotten their purse stolen or had to replace cards and IDs and I'm not the only person in the world who has been through that or has had to go through that, you know, but I guess at that moment for me. It was just the boiling point. It was the cherry on top of this shitty Sunday. Day, that just keeps being fucking served to me. Have you guys ever opened up a confetti bomb before that's that's what happened. That's a mean that's pretty much exactly what happened, except all the bad stuff that I shoved into myself instead of confetti. It was just emotions was a cloud of emotions instead of the confetti glitter and it's just as difficult to clean up trust me, but I'm trying hard to work on myself and And I wanted to share this story with you guys because look I know I'm not the only one who feels how I feel and and it can be comforting to know that you aren't alone and that others are going through shit too. It's comforting to know. Hey, I'm the only one whose life kind of blows right now. So it feels good to know that, you know, adulting as hard as fuck especially when you're doing it on your own with little to no help. So I want to go ahead and shout out to all of those hard-working human beings. Out there, you know struggling on their own and still kicking ass. I want to shout out to those human beings out there who feel like they are alone who feel like no one cares to you know to those people who try every damn day and just can't seem to move forward to the next step to those people. I say don't ever give up you are not alone. We have a club. Come join us is called fuck it. It's new club. Just started it like legit three seconds ago sign up we have cookies. So I wanted to explain I want to explain that as well and and hopefully inspire, you know, but don't worry. I'm gonna drop the last meal request of death row inmates this Friday and lots more random silly creepy and weird podcast episodes coming here your way right here on anchor or ITunes or Spotify or Google play or Stitcher or you know, whatever whatever podcast platform you're listening to because professionally silly is everywhere. So I guess that being said thank you guys so much for listening. And once again, all of you listening have the ability to get through anything my dad. I'm going to leave you guys with this words of wisdom from my Father, which is now become professionally silly life rules. He says this to me and I Can't hate it because you never want to hear that shit when you're in the throes of negative emotion, but he always says this to me, this is the best. This is the worst thing to happen to you today. It's been a pretty good day fucking hate that but sometimes he's absolutely right. Alright guys, I'll see you on Friday, behave yourself until I get back. All right later. What's going on? Professionally silly listeners? Listen, I've got some knowledge. I want to go ahead and drop on your domes. If you haven't heard about anchor it's the easiest way to make a podcast. Let me go ahead explain what I mean. Okay one it's free. You can't beat that. All right. 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Hey everyone. I'm Chelsea Fagan. And this is the financial confessions. The financial confessions is the brand new weekly show from the financial diet where every week we talked to the most interesting people about how they do money. Hey guys, I'm Chelsea Fagan and welcome back to the financial confessions today. I am extremely excited because we have a truly amazing guess to we are all fans up here at TF D. It was a bit of a moment when she came into the office today. She is a New York Times bestselling author a podcast host and an all-around wise person when it comes to All Things happiness personality and the self you may be most familiar with her for Tendencies, which she identified in her New York Times best-selling book with the name. The drum roll please the for Tendencies. 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I have looked at many many photos of it including as early as this morning just like scrolling through and prep. I'd love to hear a little bit about how you put it together. It's so beautiful. Oh, thank you. Well, one of the things my husband grew up in New York City. And so one of the things he definitely did not want was kind of like the standard boxy New York City apartment. So Apartments very quirky. It has like there's a secret room. Is like a secret thing under the stairs, then we turn around and bookshelves. Yep. We well I almost did that but there is a like a fake bookshelf, which if you pop it open his shelves inside. My daughter has a thing like Harry Potter the room under the stairs where she's got a desk and so and there's a lot of like hidden jokes. Like there's a we had a fireplace faux painted and it has all her initials in it, but it looks like kind of marble veins, but if you really look at it, you can see all of our initials. So there's a lot of I've kind of inside jokes to our family to make it feel Whimsical. I love wimzie. Do you like living living on the Upper East Side? I do. I love it. I do love it. You mean because it's kind of boring. Well, no, I mean I live in a boring neighborhood and I love that but I neighborhood you live in Morningside Heights. Okay, so kind of similar in terms of like, you know, a lot of big old buildings and you know, not a ton of new stuff going on, but I feel like the Upper East Side for a lot of New Yorkers is almost like a bit of a mystery. I've read a book. I don't know if you've ever read it or heard of it called primates. Park Avenue. Oh, yeah obsessed with it. I'm wondering how accurate you think Outsiders perception of the Upper East Side is to the actual experience. Well, you know that's hard to know because when it is your experience, I think it's hard to know how other people see it because to me it's just everyday like it's like my sister's a TV writer and I'm like you realize how glamorous it sounds and she's like it is the opposite of glamorous. I'm like and yet to us. It sounds so glamorous and and I think that as I sort of don't have to me, it's just like my ordinary day. I think it's hard to kind of know what it's like I didn't read Prime it's of Park Avenue because I was like, I don't think that I think it's accurate it'll just annoy me but um, you know, it's just it's the it's the it's everyday life. You know, it's going to the dry cleaners. How long have you been in New York almost 20 years and you were in Kansas City before I grew up in Kansas City. I lived in DC and New Haven in between but yeah, I'm from Kansas City. What is like an in terms of your experience in New York? Are there ways that living in a city like this because I also I lived in DC as well, and I've lived in other cities and I feel like especially when it comes to your perception of success or your aspirations. There's so much about living in New York that I feel almost like intrinsically motivates you in a way that you never were in other cities and I'm curious how much you think living in New York has been part of your experience of I mean, I hate to say it but being obviously so successful. Well the thing that I love about New York versus a place like Washington DC or LA or San Francisco is that those are very company towns and it's like there's Is one game in town There's right entertainment. There's you know the internet there's government and what I love about New York is like there are people that all they do is think about ballet all day long and all the ballet people. It's like they're all here to they're living their lives and said there's many many company towns in one place. So I think that's exciting and keeps it feel makes it feel much more vibrant than places that are dominated by one industry where everybody's just basically playing a role in a single Giants aim, Here people are trying to do all different kinds of things and it certainly is exciting to be in a place where you think well if I want to meet an agent, they'll be a great agent here. Yeah, if I want to have a video course I could do a great video course here, like everything's here. Everything's within reach. You can find everything here because it's such a it's such a you know, gravitational pulls his so many people doing so many different things. So I do think that's tremendously exciting. I feel like off often when I think about what is has become possible for people that I know in New York and the versions of themselves that they become I wonder like how like what I would have been another city or what? Yeah, it would have been and how much their personality is a result of being in this particular City or any City really do you ever wonder who you might have been if you had stayed in any of those other places the 100% so funny that you said that because I actually think about that all the time. I'm like if I were like a dial if I were 10 Percent more this what would I be? No one I often think like what would what would my life be like if I were in Kansas City because I love Kansas City I go back through all the time. It's a wonderful place to live, Missouri or Kansas. And those are all good. You know, you're Kansas City. That's a very important question to those Kansas City and so my ass, so, you know, I think that's a really interesting question. Are you think like, what would I be if I'd gone to a different College where it's like I probably would have had a great experience. But many of my friends would have been different. My trajectory would have been different. Current my decisions would have been different that's kind of unknowable. You know, I sort of think that my compulsion to write is so great that at some point it would have found me. But where it would have taken me might have been quite different. Do you think about money a lot? I don't know. You know money is one of these things that it's so pervasive. It's kind of hard to know if you do think about it a lot or not. I think a lot about it in terms of my research. Hmm how so well, I think in you know because I write about happiness and habits in human nature. And within that huge area I think money is one of the most emotionally charged and complex and difficult for people to Grapple with as I'm sure you know, it's highly emotional. Yeah, it's something where people are drawn to it and repelled by it. They want it and they are afraid of it and they can't look at it and they can't look away and it stands for so many things money is security it's an A+ of the top of your report card. It's giving its its possibility. It's opportunity. It can turn into there's a great Gertrude Stein quotation where she says something like money is money than the end people always decide if money is money and they always decide that money is money and I'm like, what does it mean that money is money but money definitely is money. Wow, whatever that mean for us. Yeah. What do you think? It means to you on a day-to-day basis? You know, I think some people are kind of upsides and people are more looking at the downside. And for me money is very important for security. Like I like to not have to think about it. Like I love every time I pay to pay bills. I'm always thinking I'm so happy. I can just pay this bill. So happy I can play this credit card bill right up right up front. So I love the feeling of security that get that it gives me. I'm not very adventurous. So the idea like, oh I could go to Tokyo, you know, like I don't think about that as much work as I think for some people money. Really represents opportunity and possibility much more. Hmm But I also am doing exactly what I want to do. And I think for a lot of people money represents the freedom to do what you want with your life and fortunately I get paid to do exactly what I would be doing for free and so I don't have to think about money in that way which is, you know, something that I never take for granted and I mean, it's the biggest privilege definitely there is financially but it's interesting because I feel like what the Upper East Side might be too General New Yorkers. I feel like New York. To most of the rest of the country and the sense that it is so expensive or its money is so prevalent that you almost become numb to the level to which money is a factor in everyday life and I'm curious if looking around like even just walking outside your apartment you ever feel because I certainly feel especially if I go to like Soho or something sometimes just like punched in the face by the amount of just money and luxury and access and things that are all around us Kanye. I get that way when I walk up and down Madison. Avenue sometimes yeah, there's a great who said it is like Socrates or somebody had something like he was like in the marketplace and he said how happy I am about all the things. I don't want or something like that. I feel that Li you like succession. I don't know if you watch succession. It's like yeah, right. Okay. Well what you see, I mean what I think it illustrates something that people are very aware of and yet always have to be reminded of which is that money doesn't buy happiness. Right doesn't buy happiness. You can be on the fanciest yacht in the world and You're fighting with your family like you don't care about how much free orange juice you can get on the other hand. I think people often are like well money doesn't buy happiness. And then they gloss over the idea that money can buy many things that do contribute to happiness Gary and security or Healthcare or you know, if your kid wants ballet lessons or you want to get a dog like all these thing. I remember somebody telling me money doesn't matter to me at all. I have a horse. I spent all my money on my horse and money. I don't care about money. I'm like, okay, but here's the thing. A thing you spent your money to buy a horse and she's like, right that's why money doesn't matter to me and I'm like Money Matters tremendous horse is money the horses money the words as many know you made a very happy choice and you bought a horse and just like dogs. It's like dogs are expensive. But many people would say it's like what makes me nothing makes me happier than my dog and so and but it's are you choosing wisely? Because some things are more likely to contribute to happiness than other things. So buying a bicycle if you go biking. The time is going to contribute your happiness. If you buy a bike and leave it in the garage all the time, that's not going to add to your happiness because it's just a foolish Choice. It's like a fantasy supper like knives like a friend of mine but like super fancy set of knives. She cooks all the time. So for her, it's like a joy beautiful toys tools make work a joy, but for somebody who just has them to sit on the counter. It's like create the impression that he cooks right that's like an ad your happiness. That's just like an empty show or like, you know you go gambling. It's like maybe it's super fun and it's like, you know, you're going with your Friends from college and it's a whole experience and like you lose a thousand bucks and it's fine or maybe maybe have a real gambling problem. And gambling is the worst possible thing you could do. So a lot of it is are you making wise choices? What are you spending your money on money is just it's just something that can be used. It can be used wisely or unwisely, I often feel like because I'm sure we're all pretty familiar. Especially our audience with the studies around at what point there. Okay diminishing returns. I don't believe that you don't I can I Take that on bus. That's okay. Yes. So there is research that suggests that after $75,000. It's writer. That's just not true. I'm just saying you're like no I did not run a spirit and experiment myself at Stanford on a bunch of undergraduates. I'm just here to say that's obviously not true. We know that's not true. We can sit here right now just talking amongst ourselves and we know that's not true because $75,000 in North Platte, Nebraska where my parents grew up is a totally different life right from $75,000 in Manhattan. And $75,000 if you've got six kids and one special needs is very different. If you live in a studio apartment with your pet turtle and $75,000 is very different. If you love to travel and $75,000 is very different. If you mean if you have Celiac, I mean there's a million reasons why $75,000 represents one thing to one person and it's completely different from another person because people circumstances are so different. I mean it just like the idea that you could pick that's like saying The best height for a person to be is 5 foot 5 and you're like who says compared to what where do I want from life if I want to be a jockey on a horse? What if I want to be a basketball star when I'm going to what if I'm gonna I mean it just it's a nonsensical number. Now, you could say that there's some kind of average but it's like what are the average that they don't present? This is like the this is the average they say after $75,000. It's diminishing returns. And that's just not true. Well, I think I mean so I obviously live in New York as well. And so very much in my own life $75,000 is not the number right, but I do believe that at a certain point for whatever that definition maybe to you and maybe we could say, you know comfortably middle class to upper middle class in your ZIP code or whatever. It may be. I feel like there is a point at least anecdotally where more money is not necessarily going to have a goes pretty high. I don't think the research actually goes that high because what happens is that money starts to buy convenience right and time, right? Convenience and time really contribute to okay. So let's say you travel all the time for work sure and now you have money to fly private. How much happier is that going to make you it's going to make you quite a bit happier. That's a lot of money Audrey. There's a lot of money. There's a lot of money, but would it make you happier would if somebody was was looking at you one to 10 scale day after day after day, you probably get a boost but you might say well that's totally illegitimate or that's a fart. That's a far-fetched number, but the Idea that people aren't experiencing gains. I'm just not convinced that is it diminishing a hundred percent. Like is that going to flatten out? Absolutely because at the bottom every little increment matters tremendously, I mean if you go it mean because that's the thing about money. It's like Health when you have enough whatever like you say enough would be you start taking it for granted having your much more aware of what you lack than what you have. So if you don't have your You're you're obsessed with getting your health. If you don't have enough money to pay the bills to be to get the the basics of life. Then that's overwhelmingly important. And as you have more and more and more that you have it becomes it becomes less and less of a gain. Would you what point do you stop saying and then people make bad decisions like having more money means people can make more spectacularly bad decision. Mmm, which they sometimes do what what's fast but people who are poor make spectacularly bad decisions. As well very don't know we don't tie those but like when we talk about despair when people you know, it's like okay. Well, is that a you know, that's and that could be a money could be conceived of as a money related issue as well. What I do find interesting though is you mentioned that a lot of money buying among other things time, which is true. Yeah, but convenience and convenience but in America, for example, like our highest earners tend to work the most power is in their class donating but there They're not buying this enough time. But that is absolutely fascinating. This is very unusual in the history of the world. I agree that the people who have the most money are working so hard, right and that is so it's not that they're lazy right? It's not that they're decadent. I think it's that work is fun. And when you're working at a very high level, it's really fun CI. It's really fun. It's almost compulsively fun. It's there's an enormous. There's all the the, you know, you're getting that intermittent reinforcement of getting things done. And and and as you I mean for in many jobs, the more senior you are the more interesting your job is I would say that's probably true for a lot of people I do think that there are two factors that are incredibly important for most people one is lifestyle inflation. And that is sort of like the hamster wheel that most people even at a middle-class salary can't get off. But also I would say secondly and this is particularly true for you know, top Executives top earners. The people who are in these rooms is an extremely Pool of peers against which to compare yourself. So you combine this idea of Lifestyle inflation with first class used to be enough. Now it's you know, executive first class the like private Suite now, it's a private plane and all of the rest of that that used to be great feels unsatisfactory. And then you combine that with you live in a building where everyone else in your buildings A Millionaire, but see I don't think the people are working to make more money necessarily. I think they're working for the satisfaction that comes from the satisfactions of work and part of the satisfactions of work is Money money is money. People want more money if they can have more money, but there's so many other things like when people say like, oh, these people are clearly greedy because they have more money than they could ever spend and yet they continue to work Round the Clock it's not because it's they want other things, you know about his status. Oh 100% status enormously important enormously important, but many people have high status that don't make a lot of money but in a lot of places the way that you indicate that you have a lot of status is the money is the grade. It's the grade. It's the Goldstar. It's the measuring stick and could we all Off that measuring stick and have like an imaginary met, you know measuring stick words, like literally a star chart that you know, Warren Buffett disturbance at the end of the year. Probably, you know, that would probably keep people driving just as much is there a point at which a person could earn too much money? Oh, well, that's a very interesting question. Right? So we've clearly reached it I would agree but I think the question becomes at what point is it Our obligation as a community and as a society to say, hey once we get to the point where Jeff Bezos Zoe's can cheat on his wife and lose the value of the you know, the entire GDP of the country of Bulgaria because he made that personal error and there's that much wealth in the hands of what is at the end of the day of you know, a human being with flaws and needs and insecurities and at the end of the day also a rather selfish interest compared to what an entire community of people would do it that same money. Do we want that level of power in an individual's hands? And if not, like where do we draw that line? And and how do we draw that line? And I'm curious because Alex is social think that's a social question in a political question. Not an inquest of individual happiness, but I think that it also starts in our perception right because I think that we still very much valorize these people we still very much look at the metric of Success Through a lens of money as maybe not the most valid one, but still I mean, I love watching Shark Tank as much as anyone else does and that is I think speaks so highly to our cultural understanding of money as if not the most important Arbiter of success at the very least the most true one or the most clear one. I don't know. I was I'm not sure that I agree that because I think there are many people who are very very highly respected who are very who people are very interested in who don't early ton of money. Like I don't know why I keep talking that the ballet cause like I never go to the ballet, but anyway, but like someone who is, you know ballet star, I think everyone would be Interested in that person or like I'm a writer there's many rightly. You don't make that much money writing. Most people don't make that much right? There's other people where you know, people would be like, oh my gosh, Robert Caro, he's here. Let's like they would be they would be very very excited about that and they would be very interested in him and they would hold him to the very highest respect but not because he earns the most money and I'm sure as a writer he does make a lot of money. I'm sure because books are says are so respected and successful but not compared to like a hedge fund guy, right? But it doesn't really matter because we're not that because that's not if you work in finance, then that's the big metric but then there are many many other metrics where people are very interested in just your accomplishments in another way. Well, I know most people try to translate their accomplishments into money because that's how they make their money. That's how they that's said, they support themselves, but but I but I don't think it's the only I think it's almost it's it's it's an accompaniment, but it's not necessarily the Any driver that's important or like a very great doctor, right? If somebody was like you are the preeminent cancer researcher and the United States people have enormous respect for that person, right and and be extremely interested in the basically probably anything that had to say on any subject because it'd be like, wow this person like what an accomplishment that must be what an important role to play in his Nobel Prize winner friend of mines husband. Just won the Nobel Prize how crazy is that? Congrats to the right? I mean, it's right. Easy, right? Yeah, he won the darn Nobel Prize. That's a very very very big deal. We hear every day all day from people who have a very difficult time decoupling their identity from how much money they make that's very true. Yes. I don't want to minimize that that's an out. That's a very very very astute Point. Well, and I think also it's you know, Jeff Bezos is obviously such an extreme example, and I think you know, it's easy most extreme example, literally that was number two. I was going to say after that he's doing with his Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, he got knocked out but I do think that doing okay the way that we look at people like this or the way that will treat people who have reached such high levels of financial like success has such a direct link to people making that own that connection in their own lives. I'm not sure that's true because because what what the research suggests to a very great degree is that we compare ourselves to the people who are closest to us. So the average person walking around New York is not thinking like, oh my God. Gosh, what about the person who lives at 7:20 Park? They're not even aware of that person. That person is like can imagine. It's there like a shark tank person. There are there are there are figure on succession. They're not real. What they're looking at is the people in their neighborhood for instance research shows that if you are you're much happier being one of the wealthiest people in your neighborhood, then one of the least wealthy people in your neighborhood how much ever however affluent your what your neighborhood is it has to do with your peer group and people they compare themselves to their peers their age peers like My doing in comparison to the people. I went to high school with and people with college with and then how am I doing to the people who are around me? So I think that people are much more influenced by kind of a couple rungs up and down then they are by things like images on TV, like what about the people on their Instagram feed? You know, that's that's an interesting question, but I think it's funny to me because to me it just feels like watching Dynasty or something like that really feels like I don't feel but I'm not that focused on. Instagram and so and I'm also kind of an under buyer type of person like, I don't know I'm not particularly and then some people there is an aspect of Personality called social comparison. So people just are very much more apt to have social come like they're the kind of are inclined towards social comparison and feel bad when they feel like they don't compare well and obviously if you are a person who scores high and social comparison basically social media is your nightmare because it's just a vehicle for social comparison. Whereas like, I don't think I score very high in Social comparison. I feel like nobody ever really notices me and I don't really ever and I'm so distracted. I never noticed anybody else. So I feel like that that doesn't Clue Into Me not even really because of values but I feel like discuss my makeup. It doesn't sort of strike a chord with me in a way that causes me anxiety, but clearly it does I think you're pointed to something that many people have have said that that you can always turn off Instagram. I'm like, hey, man, stop talking and start sure these people like they're made I think a lot of people have a very very difficult. I think it's for a lot of people a borderline compulsion or addiction. Well, it's technology is a great servant and a bad master and it's like if you feel bad every time you look at someone's Instagram feed then delete you don't have to get off of Instagram all together you can take off so you don't have to you can unfollow one person. It's like I think we have to recognize that we are not passive recipients of messages. I had to do that. I had to unfollow everyone. I didn't know in real life. Oh made me feel bad. I still occasionally it leaks in Guys leak it off. It doesn't leak in it doesn't leak and that's true. I could probably put a real number on and how it helps like my depression, right? Yeah. Yeah, it does but I think I think what is fundamentally so different about social media and I think obviously if you're able to opt out a bit on a personal level like I would love to know your secrets, but because I think well if I'm able to I mean one is able to do it one may not totally should do it but a person can do it or find it difficult to do it, but I think for the what's interesting to me is how much something like an Instagram feed has opened up this window in people's lives that you're no longer quite just looking at your next door neighbor, but you're also not looking at someone who is explicitly a celebrity or HIV star Jeff basically someone who's so far who feels almost imaginary at that point, right and and it and it's so it feels like that that it feels like someone you could know it work in a lot of ways, whereas the you know, in many cases like for example the vast majority of young women because our This is like almost at it's like 92% women they follow us, but they also follow many influencers bloggers writers things like that. And these people to them feel on many levels like someone that you know, but are still living this vastly vastly different life. And as we mentioned it earlier whether it's a horse or a wardrobe all of these things that are presenting to you at some level our money. Yeah well and it's interesting because although we all intellectually not Know that we're getting kind of a curated snapshot that doesn't represent the truth. It's very hard to remember that like you forget how much you're not seeing even though intellectually, you know, I'm not seeing 99.9% of this person's life and all kinds of stuff should be could be going on that. I don't know about its it is hard to remember that when you're looking absolutely picture is worth a thousand words and it is hard to remember like, you know, I think if you know people in real life and you see this, you know, how much is not being pictured. Oh totally. Yeah, you can just like crap out the same even Laura Ingalls Wilder who I Revere said I told the truth but not the whole truth. So if you've been thinking about deleting some of those apps that are terrible for you and maybe putting a better one on your phone. 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If you're freelancing even just for your side job, you are essentially a company of one. So get the best possible tool for managing your company's finances with QuickBooks will link you to more info in the description in the show notes so you can get started so I'm obviously so I love personally when I talk to people and I think that we have a very different approach. H2 not just kind of the the management of your own identity your own sort of control over to what extent you feel may be defined or not defined by other people and something that I've always thought looking at your work is that you seem very in control of how you perceive yourself or how you define yourself. Hmm. I personally still very feel very out of control of that to a large extent in what sense what a fascinating Formation. Well, well, for example, I had mentioned earlier that a lot of our audience has a very difficult time separating their personal identity from the amount of money that they made their or have that doesn't happen to be mine. But I definitely feel that in other ways. Like for example, my professional sense of identity or satisfaction is extremely dependent on other people even people that I don't work with like my own family members like to what extent they think I'm you know, my job is real right start working on the internet and Via podcast. Yeah, but totally but I feel like I I'm curious how you have men. Maybe it's just a perception that you don't feel it's accurate but how you've managed in your own life to make sure that you're sort of the locus of not only your self-worth and identity. But also these outside factors like to your point a writer doesn't make probably as much money as a lot of people think they do but whether or not you're making, you know a ton of money or you're on the bestseller list, as you said you would be a writer regardless. And I'm curious what our strategies that you've found to to Really Center those feelings in yourself and those senses of identity. Well, I think one thing it is really helpful to kind of know what you want. And it sounds like what could be easier than to know what you want. You just hang out with yourself all day long. What do you want? But it's actually I think very very difficult because a lot of times we're swayed by what we think we should want or what other people want us to want or what we wish we would want, you know. And I know I started out as a lawyer basically for all the wrong reasons, you know, it's a good education and I'm good at research and writing. My dad's are really happy lawyer. I can always change my mind later. It's a great preparation. So I went and I had a great experience in law, you know ended up clerking for justice Sandra Day O'Connor look so I don't regret any of it. It was all great, but I went there for a very default. I just went because I couldn't think of it. I just didn't know what else to do with myself. It was I did not mindfully go didn't choose to go but then went with writing it was like I was seized with Desire to write a book a particular book which ended up being my first book and so I just felt so certain because I knew this was what I wanted and I think you know, some people really do have that like even I mean doctors feel this way. I'm not a physical therapist you felt this way. I was reading the I went to like one of these like fancy artsy circuses like my family for some reason we get artsy circuses and you read the like the playbill and it's clear that people feel Impelled to like become jugglers that sounds funny, but it's really true people feel like this enormous there. Like I ran I literally ran away to join the circus at age 15 because I couldn't help myself. I just felt so drawn to the circus. And so I feel like maybe that made my sense of identity easier because because that was just such like an overwhelming thing and then I was able to do that. I think sometimes people feel this compulsion, but then for whatever reason they're not able to follow it. Do you feel that having had that? Career as a lawyer which was obviously not a fit after a Time made it easier to feel so certain in your identity as a writer with or without, you know, maybe the more traditional success. I think what it gave me was it gave me a sense of confidence in myself, right? And and I read a book called the four Tendencies themselves about this personality behind ya whether people are upholders questioners obligors or Rebels and we'll get into all that but one of the things I'm in a polder in this framework and one of the things that upholders, it's a really good. At meeting our expectations and they're really good at meeting her expectations and I'm a person who can really keep promises to myself. I can rely on myself. I can rely on myself more than I can rely on anybody else in my life. And what I realized is that most people don't feel that way. They don't a hundred percent feel like they can rely on themselves and I feel like law was really really hard. I did a lot of things that were really really hard to do and I did them and because I was like I'm going to do it and I did it and so I was like, I am going to go to the book. Store and buy a book called like how to write and sell your nonfiction proposal and I will just follow the directions because I don't know what else to do. And so I did oh my God, that's what I like. I am. So what I knew was I didn't know if I could get an agent. I didn't know if I could sell a book. I didn't know if anybody would pay me to write a book. All I knew is I want to write this book. I'll do it for free because I want to do it so badly and I know that I can write a book and follow the instructions and see what happens and hope for the best and that's what I did. What do you what would you say to To advise people who like many people feel incredibly defined by their financial status or their compensation or even whom or in my case feel very defined by external validations of you know, professionalism or success or what have you like what outside of that sense of preparedness. If for example, they're not an upholder and they can't trust themselves like get the like how to get a book deal and get it but see if they know their Tendencies then I can tell them how to do that. Well, how would a rebel do it? How would well so red It's interesting. We can I take a minute and just talk about the words like this to find them. Okay? Yeah, so I will get idea guys. I want to know what you are. I think I know what you are. Oh, please God given your career. I was like, I would think she would be a rebel because it's such a rebel career path, right? Okay, but I had gotten two different answers I think and I remember she had corrected me my partner who's in the room to be like no. No, this is the answer. Yeah, a lot of them. Have you asked her for help to other people like? Oh no. Oh, yeah. That's that's clear very clear. You can take the it's like a free quick quiz to me. Many people have taken the quiz at quizzed on Gretchen Rubin.com. You can take the quiz very short very easy, but most people know what they are right away. So if I just described it, so it has to do with how you respond to expectations Adder expectations and interacts affectations. So Adder expectations are things like a work deadlines in our expectations are like, I want to keep a New Year's resolution for myself. So upholders as I said readily need outer and inner expectation. So they meet the work deadlines. They keep the New Year's resolution without much fuss. So it's very easy for an upholstered to do something like well, I'm going to work my full-time job and on the side. I'm going to write it. Like that's okay. That's that comes easily. And as I said, our motto is disciplined as my freedom questioners question all expectations, they'll do something if they think it makes sense. So they resist anything arbitrary or inefficient or unjustified. They always want to know why once so they're making everything in inner expectation if it meets their energy expenditure expectation, they'll do it. No problem. But if it fails or interacts fact ation, they will push back so their motto is all comply if you convince me why hmm obligors I really need outer expectations, but the struggle to meet in our expectations. So like a person who says oh when I you know, when I exercise with a friend, I would never miss it. But when I'm trying to do it on my own I struggle because it's like Well, when the front is expecting you to show up you would never let them down. But when you're trying to go on your own it's hard. And so if obligors want to meet an inner expectation what they need is our accountability, right? You want to read more join a book group and so their their motto is You can count on me and I'm counting on you to count on me. Hmm and then Rebels rebels is this outer and inner expectations. Like they want to do what they want to do in their own way in their own time. They can do anything they want to do they can do anything they choose to do but if someone asks or tells them to do something they're very likely to resist and typically they don't like to tell themselves what to do like they don't sign up for 10 a.m. Spin class on Saturday because they're like, I just want to wake up on Saturday and see what I feel like doing. Maybe I'll do spin class. Maybe I'll do yoga. Who knows Maybe I'll go to the farmers market and so their motto is you can't make me and neither. Can I I do remember that by the way, this is like watching like Michael Jackson perform Thriller something. It's like it's here the for Tendencies from Russian herself is exciting never stop talking about so Rebels resist outer and inner expectation. So they want to do what they want to do in their own way in their own time. So for them, it's about identity. I'm a writer what does a writer do a writer writes like no one? Me what to do. I'm a writer or it's like I am a leader. I'm a leader. I've always been a leader since the time. I was their third grade. I'm a leader like I'm gonna walk into this place and you watch me I'm going to leave this place because I have the heart of a leader or whatever it is. It's like some Rebels want to make a lot of money and they'll like figure out how to do that or some Rebels are like I want every day to be different. So I'm going to get a job where I'm like I manage our chain of restaurants and everyday is different. I'm driving around and nobody knows where I am at any particular time like they do with their identity because that's They want that's what they choose strangely. A lot of rebels are also sent the sub group of rebels are attracted to areas of high regulation like the rub the military the clergy the police and large corporations with lots of rules. They kind of need to know the rules so that they can push against the rules. That's a certain kind of Rebel to do you feel that your tenancy as an upholder in some ways liberates, you know, for example hundred percent with money. See I think people look at Apple. There's and think that we because we do because we're constantly like to Crossing things off the to-do list and secondary calendar. So they think that we feel constrained and trapped and in fact, we feel incredibly free and the model of the folder is discipline as my freedom and we don't understand why other people don't don't perceive us as free because we feel very free now, but the but the interesting thing about your team is that when Rebels pair up in work or in Romance almost always they team up with obligors that is by far the and so if you have two people on your team who Rebels I would say probably a lot of the other ones are going to be obligors because you're going to need to have obligors to kind of work with those Rebels to Rebels together as a team could struggle. Yeah. I definitely think that that's true and I'm personally like I I think that it's difficult for a lot of people to really narrowly Define themselves as either a questioner or an obligor in the sense that I think that like a lot of people have a little bit of examples of each and their life in terms of like specific things that other people being present for or outside expectations like really helping and it's interesting because we talked on tfd a lot about accountability being an incredibly powerful tool for money not necessarily because it really fits with people's personality types, but because it's so infrequently talked about and because it's so tablet and so personal don't miss the surfacing of the issue and and not making people feel so isolated and whereas for most people you could have like a group chat going about Turley any topic including like sex and dating and things that are superficially more taboo, but you'll never talk with your friends about your salary. Well who wrote that it was a writer Neal. He wrote a book an article in the Atlantic about like basically being a middle class person who was totally failing at money and all the mistakes he made and it was explosive right because he was like explicitly talking about like I drain my retirement account to pay for my daughter's wedding and like we Like just talking about all these mistakes you made and it's like you never see that right somebody really talking about the decisions they made while totally and what they regret and I think you're right like just talking about it helps to sort of drain out some of the electricity the negative electricity around it. So 2 to the point of Lifestyle inflation. So I think you know again I think for a lot of people that constant that like Chinese water torture of constants, Small improvements in life and conveniences. Yes, make the idea of decoupling one's identity and happiness from money incredibly hard on a practical level. I will say your earlier point. I'm very fascinated that you push back. So strongly on the $75,000 number which I think is true on and obviously like very practical level like living in New York City. That's not a lot of money, but I also think that it's probably more than anything driven by that and it's not inherently a bad thing. To your point. It's not a new thing this lifestyle inflation. But that happiness continually Rising with the income or at least the net worth is probably heavily tied to that concept of Lifestyle inflation because you now redefine happiness on slightly better terms every day. Yes. Well and this so that's called the hedonic treadmill. So it's like, you know that because it's like if you've never had an air conditioning before you have air conditioning your like, this is the greatest invention of all time. Totally. Well now we take it for granted like we're not like what Walking around excited every day that we have air conditioning or like, you know, the elevator, you know, it's like I live on the fifth floor. Oh my gosh, if I didn't have an elevator, I would be very very sad. But you know, I don't I don't have a gratitude practice for my elevator though. I should but I think one of the things that a person would the way you can do this maybe and to your point that the that this lifestyle inflation can kind of get us on this treadmill of spending more and more without getting you know, because we just feel like we're standards are constantly Rising. That what people really want is an atmosphere of growth. They want to feel like things are moving in the right direction. They wanted feeling of progress. They want a feeling of growth but growth comes in many ways. And so like if you learn something that is a feeling of growth and so if you're like, you know what my I can't make my apartment any better, but I'm going to get better at Watercolor that would be very exciting and satisfying to you or you're like, you know, I am gonna I know this little teeny tiny. Offutt and they are just a hot mess when it comes to their finances. I'm just I'm going to count I'm gonna go in there. I'm gonna clean it up for them get them going that would give you a tremendous sense of growth teaching people to do things fixing learning. These are ways of having growth. And so I think if people feel stagnant when they feel that they need growth. I think they often go to money because money is easy money is like if I buy a new pair of black boots, I'm going to feel great if I get a new dining room table. It will like make my whole apartment feel better if I get a washing machine, I will be so great now. You know what? He had. It's great. If you have a dining room table, you can entertain more and maybe that'll make you happier or the washing machine will save you a ton of time and you'll be convenience and that could be great. But if you need me that feeling of growth money isn't the only way to get it you could think of like, how can I learn something? How can I teach something? How can I maybe you get a dog and you're like this dog is gonna bring this whole new element into my life. It's going to give me a tremendous sense of growth because there's gonna be so much change and new stuff and I'm like, I'm gonna get ahold I'm going to go to new, you know, I'm just going to go to new places. Is like right I never know that the dog park. I'm gonna dog park every day. You know, I mean, there's all kinds of ways to get growth. I think you're right. That money is the it's kind of the most straightforward way. You may just go out and buy it but there's other things to do. You mentioned earlier the address 720 Park. I'm curious if you seen the documentary 720 Park. No, so I highly recommend it both to any audience because it's one of the most Salient examples of lifestyle inflation. Just like a very sort of clear cut. It's heavily about how the most expensive address in, New York. 720 Park and it's just like a you know out of an iconic exhort of it and vote. I don't if probably now is not the most actually the most expensive dress probably not but hopefully I come on it's like the one that you use to totally and its all full of just like billionaires and and it's also part of the documentary is about how it's like under a mile from the poorest zip code in the country. So it's also about income inequality. That's New York City. Absolutely but the fascinating thing about the men primarily in 720 Park and also the women but it's primarily The Men Who are the Nurse and the building have essentially entered into this incredible microcosm where their sense of competition of success of having enough is so narrowly defined that for example, they will fight each other on terms. We cannot even imagine to move up one floor because it's considered prestigious to be on a higher floor. Someone will bring in 50, you know, fir trees flown in from you know hungry for Christmas and then the next year someone will bring in 65 and so they've essentially reduced their world down to the most unbelievably luxurious possible definitions and you realize in and sort of learning a little bit more about these people lot of people's lives that it's entirely decoupled from to your point anything that they would do something with or would make them happy on a practical level. It's entirely redefined by their position amongst each other, but I think it's just fascinating how you know, you can look at that and say like well that's such an extreme example, but what about when you move Was slightly better building where now suddenly everyone's decorating their front door for all the holidays and you never consider doing that before but now you're like I got to go to TJ Maxx and get a million glittery pumpkins, you know, yeah. Yeah, that's it. Yeah highly recommend right? It's one of these things where we are social creatures and we take our cues from the people around us. And so we are very influenced by what other people the people around us. What they do would you say that as a last question on this note that the best if there is a shorthand or litmus test the best litmus test to the worthiness the intrinsic worthiness of a purchase that may often be influenced by external factors is what you are actually going to practically do with that thing or how much you are going to use it or how much it's going to actually change or enhance your day-to-day life. Yeah. I think I think that's that's a good thinking about whether that's yes, right because it really depends because like you could buy An expensive laptop and if it's like you're like me where I'm like my laptop is like my comfort object and it's like I carry it with me all the time. It's like that's a great investment right then for somebody else. It's like why are you know, you're just this for you is just it's just conspicuous consumption. It's just you want to have the fancy thing. You don't really need it. Like you're not going to get a gain from that. You can just keep you see these are same old laptop or thinking about it's interesting though because there is there is something about purchase for some people. I don't think that there's enough talked about what happens at the moment of purchase. Oh, yeah. I've have a bad feeling of purchase. Oh really? I do. I always feel like I'm always like I would like to not purchase this. I always like an underwire it so there's under buyers and over buyers under buyers tend to like not like to purchase right? But it's still a moment of power for me. Because it's like I feel like am I going to regret it? Like I often have anticipatory Shoppers remorse and I have to force myself to buy something that I need. I mean, I'm not talking about buying like a mailing envelope, right? Like, you know a shirt there's a bit of a for Tendencies equivalent in the personal finance world in the name of yeah, the name of the man is escaping me believing Google it but there's like one of the personality types is avoidant. Yeah. One of them is started. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yeah. I'm Anna can't remember his yes. I felt Brian. That's why we have a producer. I've read that to you. Yeah, I know that category is I loved I Loved These distinctions because I'm saying it so because I think part of it is that people have different challenges because some people are like always over buying and they have to hold back. I don't have to force myself to purchase right because I'm like I need stuff and if I just wait, it's just going to get more complicated, you know, do you have it? Dr. Brad Kong? Yes, and one of them said one of them is like avoidant and that often has to do with just like, you know, the people who don't like to look at their bank account just like swipe the debit card and hope it works, but then there's So people and I don't remember his exact term for it a master of avoider hoarder money monk. Yeah. So it's this is money. This is the standard. Yeah. This is entirely about personal finance, but there is essentially a type where people romanticize and fetishize and almost have like a love feeling toward the act of purchasing and the act of spending, you know Spenders, obviously the name of the type but it's it goes so much further than just sort of compulsive spending hear something. A fascinating that somebody needs to think about at Great length, maybe Me Maybe maybe we'll all these because I was talking about I was talking about the question of like impulse buying. How do you get how do you control impulse buying if this is a challenge for you and a number of people wrote to me and said that what they do is they will fill their carts and they will have so much fun filling their carts and then they abandon their cart and they never had any intention to purchase but for them the fun was the choosing right and that was the fun for them which was I would choose this and I would like this and I would use and I would buy these shoes and that's the fun part for them. And so then also I think do stores realize that you know, they're very focused on unfulfilled orders. A lot of these people maybe don't ever had never intended to fulfill their order. They were just shopping for the fun of choosing then I'm like that's interesting to me because that's not even purchase. Right so you can say there's like choice and kind of the Identity or like the the the the kind of the the main evenness that comes from choosing then there's purchase then there's acquisition which is I have a bag and bring it home. There's display. Yeah, there's use there's experiment. There's like it's like it's not one thing. It's many many things and people are like activated a different point right? Like why did I mean this is why you mean you live and breathe this up white so emotionally complicated because people can be wigging out at all different places. Oh, yeah and for me at least because I've always battled with that my whole life, it's mostly just being able To imagine a different version of yourself and all that will go with it. And so for me like the number of times that like making a Pinterest board has saved me from making a terrible purchase. Yes, because it gives you the feeling of identity and kind of clap and you can end its half of the fun is just imagining and half of the fun is that's so exhausting. Oh my God, that's the part. I want to skip is the choosing. I don't like the choose. I literally go to open houses apartments for fun, like in my spare time just because I love just like imagining what I would I'd do in the apartment and it's why I mean luckily with an apartment. I can't move into a new one every three weeks. But I wish there was that foreclosed. Somebody said that to me that she would go to beautiful stores very expensive stores where she couldn't buy anything because then she said there was no question of purchase was clearly all too expensive. It was pride and joy of looking and choosing and she said the thing about a beautiful stories like you can actually touch the things right, you know for people are very tactile. It's not like a museum where it's like all behind a rope and you can only look it's like you can feel the fabric so you can pick up the candles. Whatever and she said for her it was just the but it had to be very expensive store because otherwise she might be tempted to purchase totally but she went to assert like you go to and you have fun with an apartment because there's no way you could buy exactly so, you know, you're not you don't have to fight that Temptation. That's also me and Jonathan Adler like whenever I scoot over to the Upper East Side, I'm like, oh I'm going to go in a John Jonathan Adler and touch all the beautiful lamps. I can't buy one of the stores close the one today if you want to want to know any more than Madison. It's oh my God devastate. The one in the 60s is still There but there are no no, it's the one on the left side. Now the bottom right side one close that is heartbreaking the Upper East Side Jonathan Adler Lee going there and then getting a cookie at Dean & DeLuca. Oh, yeah, my little imaginary day. I know exactly I probably walk down the street without my dog behind you. Well, it's closed. So this is when Gina DeLuca close to all right. Well, yeah, I mean that's depressing but I feel like that was a long time coming for the data Greenberg's go get a cookie Greenberg's they're still there. Hot tip from our hot. Is it in Upper East Side luckily cookie from Greenberg's so we do have I'm pulling them up. Where did they go lightning round lightning round as long as I can actually get them number one. What is the big Financial Secret of your industry? Hmm, I think for writers probably more for nonfiction writers. It's having an email list because this is a way that you can have direct connection with your readers and more and more as everything becomes more noisy and more. Fragmented and there's more and more things competing for people's attention having an email list is a way that you can really connect with your readers directly. And so more I think that's like that's a big thing to have two big asset to have it takes a long time. So, what did I tell you about something that it's and it's not something you can go out and buy but it costs money to maintain it and to use it make use of it. But I think it's really a great a great investment of time and energy you get the Gretchen Rubin emails. Oh, that's good that sign up for my newsletter. Yeah, yeah, that's him. / hashtag newsletter. Yes. I know. It's weird slash slash Tech news like it's not good. But there it is. What am I gonna do? I'm sure we gotta wet it in milk and manage it. It'll be in the show notes. Yeah. Yeah, just click the link below. What do you invest in versus what are you cheap about? I'm Chief about food. I don't really care about food. I love diner food that kind of thing. But I really do spend money on tools like like what like I like laptop my Stop my headphones when I like have this amazing it guy who comes all the time to make sure everything's backed up. I'm like a live in fear of things not being backed up. I'm not very technical. So, you know, he's like you need it. You should get at this account or that account and back everything up or do this. I'm like what what? Yes, I will pay for anything. That's like a tool got it good one comes in handy what has been your best investment and why my best investment is, you know, I don't Is the people that I work with like, you know, what I pay what I feel good about paying I don't nickel and dime when people are like what about this? What about that? I think it's like working with people who are never saying like it's more important to me to like eat the last dollar out of something round because working out of curiosity, you know, do I have a team I have like people that I collaborate with kind of got it, um, you know, it's kind of like I and I have so many different identities. And he's like, I've people that I work with for podcasting but they're not involved in the writing side. I do work with somebody with a lot of kind of social media type stuff like helps me with format the newsletter and Q things up in you know time shifting and you know reminds me like you're all you're doing a live event with your sister do an Instagram story. Don't forget I get very distracted my forget so, you know, she's helps you with just staying on task what has been your biggest money mistake and why oh, I know. Obviously my biggest money mistake is a big-money mistake that I bet many many many many people will say which is that I don't keep enough of like a budget and knowing like where's all my money coming from and what am I spending money on? Like, I just have a general feeling that there's enough money for me to like manage everything but I'm not like sitting down and thinking like, oh, I have a video course. What did I make this year from the video course and like what did the video course cost to make and like? What's the ROI? Oh I see. Sent this my old what I spent this much on my newsletter because you know, you've got to have you gotta I done convertkit and like what did it cost me? What does it cost me to have a newsletter? I should know that your I should and I don't know that that's my big money mistake as I don't I'm not in fact, I always have a one-run the happier podcast. We always have a one-word theme for the year and I almost made my theme metrics because I definitely metrics and I'm like, I don't want that to be my one weird thing with year because I don't want to work on my metrics. Does it make you anxious? It doesn't make me anxious but it's a rookie. Error, it's done. I should know Roi I should know where my what I'm spending on what I'm gaining. It's not enough. I didn't have enough people sort of involved one way or another. I'm not going I'm not going wildly off the rails, but I should have a better sense of like how things do is that the same for your personal budget or just your business. It's mostly my business. Okay, so like personal stuff. You're more on the ball. Yeah, that's good. At least there's that. Yeah. Well also with personal it's not as confusing with like things costing money, but also making money but then there's hidden costs and then you got to think about this and nothing but that even it's more like yeah, it just feels more straightforward. That's right. I'm buying this like cost that right. There's a lip. We're in business. I feel like a lot of it is like you've got to get into like what's worth it. And what's worth that it's time. It's the energy it's the money. It's other people's time their time if we're working on this we're not working on that opportunity costs, you know, I'm a writer so anything that takes my attention it's like oh, but I could be writing my next book, right? So I feel like there's like Some multi-factor thing which doesn't mean that I shouldn't be doing it right? It's just not so straightforward. And so that's so that I think but I think even just saying this to you right now, I'm like, ooh, maybe 2020 should be my year of metrics. I I support that obviously but I do think it's funny we get a lot of we talked to a lot of people who are pure creative types in our universe and a lot of times you see they will be people who have an extremely avoidant relationship to money particularly when it comes to S often for a lot of the same reasons and so there are sort of inevitably surrounded by you know vultures essentially like people who really take advantage of the fact that these people don't want to think about their finances and I recently heard a creative say that like when I was asking her about how she manages like, you know, all of her finances, she doesn't touch them. She has people that do all of that for her and I was like, ooh you at least have to get like a copy and make sure that you're going through it line by line because a lot of these people are essentially going to be paying out of the nose. For something they didn't know could have been free to them because the person wasn't adding like a consulting fee and they're adding, you know their surcharge and and so I always get very wary of people who have offshored that to someone completely outside of their own. Oh, that's a very good point. Well, I feel lucky because I'm an agent I'm very close to my agent in very close contact with my eat. And so I feel like in some and so far as their supervision like right she's highly supervised but on the other hand like I think one thing that's difficult for a lot of people is what do you price? What do you charge right and one of the great things about having a Agents is like they are charging the most they can and you're not you don't have to do that. I feel very bad for people who are still in the position or like in their industry. They have to price their own work. That's clearly that's a very very difficult thing for people to do and it's nice because agents like they what they are paid for is to negotiate and also to know kind of what is the market what will the market Bear right and to make sure that you get what the market will bear I fully support a metric Journey next year a magic journey. I like that. Directions metric Journey Financial diet story. What is your biggest current money and security probably related to that like metrics. Yeah. What the heck am I spending my money on and what am I making my money on I just throw spaghetti against the wall. That's the fun part for me. I get you but you're right. I gotta get some Metric ya know metrics man. That's right. Roi what has been the financial habits that it's helped you the most paying all my bills without paying interest Spain. Hell yeah. Hell yeah compound interest man is your best friend or your worst enemy mean it goes both ways. It really does. It really does. It really does and as a last question, when did you first feel successful and I'm putting air quotes around that for listeners. And what does that word mean to you was interesting that we were just so many agents because putting aside my law career which was kind of like a completely different Arc. But if I say as a writer, when did I feel like a success of the first glimmer of success as a writer? Was when I got in Egypt. Hmm, so I hadn't written a book and I hadn't published a book. I didn't have a book contract but there's a lot of people wandering around writing screenplays writing novels writing books. But when I had it and I felt kind of like, who am I just like sitting at a coffee shop writing the wind I had an agent I felt like for an agent there times their money, right? And this person is saying I am giving you my time. I'm investing in you totally because I think that you I Can Go the Distance and for me of everything that happened I think that was the moment. That was the most exciting where I was like this has changed everything about my sense of myself because I'm like It's it just got real it just got real. That's when you have an agent and the same agent used to blame agent. We started out like she says baby agent. She was a baby agent. We started out together or side to side was emailing the email with her this morning, you know, and so that was a very that was a very I don't know that I would say it was it was it was a moment of his profound moment of feeling like okay. Yeah. It was one. I have Sam I've been with the same engine for like a decade. Yeah. He like when we started out. He's at the TV digital agency went through a few different now. He's at CAA and it's hard to get them on the phone. I'm like, that's so great. Yeah. Well, that's one of the things to remember when you're starting out us you may be starting out with somebody else is just starting out and at the time you can feel like well, this is a death knell because how am I going to get anywhere with somebody who's like barely been in this industry longer than I have but it may be the best like the love connection and you rise to get my sister always says people succeed in groups and great, you know, it can be Be it can be great to come together through the work through the through experience. Well, thank you so much for coming. This has really provoked. So many thoughts for all this is so ugly. We can talk all day long stop. Well open invitation. We'd love to continue the conversation and where should people go to listen or read or anything more of you so it Gretchen Rubin.com is kind of the Hub of everything so you can get the podcast there or you can go to your favorite podcast app and listen to happier with Gretchen. Then I do a lot of post their about my adventures and happiness and good habits. You can take the quiz there quiz - Gretchen Rubin.com will take you straight there. You can find it on the on the website. You can sign up for my newsletter Gretchen Rubin.com. / hashtag newsletter. I've got a bunch of news. I have a quote newsletter if you love beautiful quotations or just my general newsletter and yeah, but so if you go to the website Gretchen Rubin.com that's kind of where you can poke around and find more than you ever. / discussion guys one-pagers like all kinds of stuff. There are there pictures of your beautiful apartment. There are pictures. Oh my gosh, there's pictures. There's pictures of my dog Barnaby. I asked to mr. Fisher's in my apartment that high gloss powder room is very much like on my oh love a high gloss powder. You sound very Advanced. Well, I'm just like I'm moving into a new apartment, but I'm very much all about people making very bold choices and a super high-gloss paint is like I'm trying Is there a little tiny tiny room and so it really I love that no with the tiny room. You can kind of do more than you could they because you can really do something. That kind of would be too much. No, but it totally works. No good. Buffalo. Thank you so much for watching this lovely to spend the afternoon with you. I love getting the chance to talk to you. So coming on the heels of that incredibly inspiring and motivating conversation. I feel like it's time to do something that is extremely upholder and get control over our finances. I use QuickBooks every single day at efd. To manage every element of the company's finances and I cannot tell you guys enough how much it saves my life one perfect example of that which happened literally like four hours ago. No less is that I had to pull up a specific amount of exactly what we paid this one person like months ago. And because I had QuickBooks all I had to do was literally go to the part of QuickBooks where it has all the people you paid type in their name. And while I have every payment history of that person that has ever transpired now when I tell you that I used to do the same thing by digging through my bank account statements. May not come through is that you only have searchable bank account statements for like a couple months at most and then you actually have to go to like the PDF versions of the bank account statements and physically go through with your own eyeballs to try and find things suffice it to say QuickBooks has made that entire process vastly easier and one of the biggest things with any company is making sure you know exactly who you're paying and who's paying you if you've ever frankly wondered about either of those things. 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Hello and welcome. Thanks for listening to the embodied astrology horoscopes for Sagittarius season in 2019. My name is Renee. I'm a Consulting astrologer and somatic intuitive. These horoscopes are meant to Aid you in your healing and help connect you with your highest self as you listen, please listen with an open mind and appreciate the symbols and suggestions take what works for you and leave the rest. Remember that these horoscopes are describing General energy for each sign and it's up to you to get specific. Feel free to associate what I say to what is relevant for you.At their best horoscopes work as pieces of mystical advice and sacred symbolism. Let them spark your imagination and stimulate your intuition. I suggest that you listen to the horoscopes for your son and your rising signs. Your sun sign is what you tell people when they ask what's your sign it has to do with the time of year. You were born your rising sign has to do with the time of day. 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Since October 31st Mercury's retrograde cycle is actually a little bit of a longer cycle than most people consider most of the time we just hear about Mercury's actual retrograde which is the period of time when it appears to move backwards in the sky, but as it moves backwards, it is a visually retracing territory that it has already traversed. And so this area of sky is area that mercury seems to pass three times. So once in the beginning and it's direct motion second time in its retrograde motion and then for a third time after it turns direct again, and it retraces that same territory one last third and final time. So from November 20th until December 7th Mercury is finishing up its retrograde. It's in what's called The Shadow phase and that's an important period of the retrograde when we can have important insights and Revelations or resolution around whatever got stirred up with the Mercury retrograde now Mercury is retrograde in the sign Scorpio and this implies some deeper emotional content throughout the retrograde working with intuition working with the more subliminal emotional anchors that we have in our beings for you Scorpio rules the part of your chart that has a lot to do with Your future as well as with your networks and your Social Circles so over the course of these last couple of months what has been going on for you when it comes to your ideas about your kind of broader. Milieu. How are you engaging with your immediate environments? How are you engaging with your friends with your friends of friends with your networks? How big does the world feel to you right now? And what do you want to cultivate for your future how you thinking about it? During Mercury's Shadow phase these next couple of weeks. You may get some important downloads and insights into your kind of emotional positioning or the way that you are setting yourself up to experience things or to perceive things. So I definitely want to alert you to that and ask you to pay attention notice. What's coming up in your Consciousness on December 9th Mercury will enter Sagittarius Yes, and it will be there until December 29th. Now the sun will be in Sagittarius from November 22nd until December 21st. Sagittarius is the sign just before yours and in your solar chart. This is the place of your chart that rules everything that comes before you so we can think of this place as pre-birth and after death experience we can think of it as a dream space or a liminal space. I can think of it as your intuitive space or your psychic space. We can also think of it in terms of what's influencing or affecting you that you have zero control over and you might not even know it's there. So environmental sensitivities sounds that you can't really perceive these kinds of things definitely can affect our physiology and our experiences Mercury and the sun here are both bringing a boost to your access to this area. Riya these areas. So it's a great time for you to pay attention to your dreams. It's a really good time for you to meditate to practice your connection with the spirit Realms or the sacred Realms and your higher self and your intuition. This is also a really good time for you to be careful of your sensitivities. So if you're a person who is very sensitive and you already know this about yourself make sure that in Sagittarius season, you're doing a lot of yourself care taking plenty of baths. Kind of doing whatever Aura cleansing or protection techniques that you need to just to deal with the world because you're more open your more permeable during this season. This is also time for you to cultivate these areas of your life, especially around November 26, then we have the new moon at 3 degrees. Sagittarius is a good time for you to carve out a little bit of space and your day on the 26th or the 27th and have some kind of New Moon ritual my Newman rituals always look different sometimes I take a walk and think about the themes I'm always working with astrology. So I'm kind of always thinking about it. Sometimes I'm really intentional and make a ritual other times. I want to write in a journal it's totally up to you. But try and give yourself at least a little bit of concentrated time to focus your attention on what is unknown and what is unseen this kind of liminal intuitive space. We all really exist in quite a lot of the time but we have no consciousness of so, that's the one of the key words of the spaces. It's unconscious. How are you in relationship with your unconscious? And how do you want to be the new moon is a time to set intentions for new beginnings and from the new moon to the full moon. These are great times for you to focus on what you want to build what you want to cultivate and what you want to call in. So consider these questions and consider how you might make some more time and space for them. Maybe about starting a dream journal. Maybe it's working with an oracle deck of some kind paying a little bit more intentional attention to astrology. Maybe it is taking five deep breaths every hour setting an alarm on your phone. So you can just work with the overload of information that comes in in the environment at all times totally up to you, but give some thought to Those ideas around the new moon now two weeks later on December 11th will have a full moon in the opposite space of your chart the opposite sign Gemini this part of your chart deals with what's opposite of the unknown. So everything that's known everything that is on your task list this place in your chart has a lot to do with your jobs your responsibilities and kind of the mundane reality. This is also so the part of your chart where we find out a lot about your health and your General Wellness in terms of how well you may or may not be taking care of your sensitive self. So around the full moon and and I should say that this full moon is coming with some fairly heavy energy. I do really want to encourage you to be doing self care for yourself around the full moon give yourself plenty of space to rest drink lots of water to it. Bath try not to let things bug you out or trip you out too much. There may be a lot of information a lot of energy kind of swirling around. You don't need to make sense of it. In fact, if you can put things off that would be a great use of this full moon energy. Just put them off know that you can make sense of it another time if things aren't feeling easy to comprehend if you feel like you're banging your head against something if or really tired or if you're having a lot of confusion or agitation just trust that things will be clearer and a little bit probably in a couple days or a week put it off give yourself time to adjust rest kind of filter it all out and for the entire waning moon period from Full Moon to New Moon is a great time to be intentional with your ceremony with your energy with you're thinking about How you want to be in better balance with this axis of kind of the unknown everythingness and the actual tangible tasks. How do you want to work with your everyday? Maybe you want to bring more ritual into your life. Maybe you want to streamline your jobs a little bit more. There may be some important issues around yourself care that you want to attend to particularly around your mental and emotional health. So during the full moon phase it's a great time to release anything that is impeding you in those efforts a couple of other things going on this month, especially important for you Venus and Jupiter will both enter Capricorn Venus enters your sign on November 25th, and it will stay there until December 20th Jupiter enters your sign on December 2nd of this year and it stays there a little over an entire year until December 20th of 2020. This is good. News for you, because both of these planets are what are considered to be benefics. That means that they bring positive energy Good Vibes with them Venus in your sign for a little bit less than a month brings the qualities of a love attractiveness magnetism Beauty and Harmony into your sign. And this is of course your identity your personality. Your appearance is a great time to feel great about yourself. It's a great time to love yourself up a little bit and feel good about who you are Jupiter brings abundance. It brings opportunity. It brings expansive perspective the desire to grow and open our minds and it brings enthusiasm. Now, as you know, you've been dealing with some hard astrology for these last couple of years with Saturn and Pluto both in Capricorn with the South node there and Jupiter's Transit through your sign will definitely be Relating these planets, but it's also bringing its positive vibrations and enthusiasm. So with Jupiter's influence over the course of the next year. This is a great time for you to really be working on opening your mind to who you are and who you could be and who you are is a really big question and it is definitely not Skin Deep. So don't stop there think about who you are on a spirit level on a soul level. What are you growing in your life? What are you building towards? Ask the big questions and don't expect the big answers to come easily live in to them as Maria rilke said just live into the questions and someday you'll find yourself living the answers last but not least on November 28th is the national day of mourning. Otherwise known as Thanksgiving Day in the United States, please take this day. If not, the whole month or the entire next year to offer time energy and support and whatever ways you can to indigenous LED organizations this year. I am signing up to do what I can to support the indigenous environmental Network. I'm really excited about their organization. It's entirely indigenous lead. It's an amazing organization that does so much for education and advocacy with the environment. So please check them out ien Earth dot-org. There's a lot more astrology this month. There is a lot going on in terms of planetary aspects and lunar cycles and you can find out all about it. 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It's how we've paid for the equipment that we've we bought it's great. It's everything you need to make a podcast in one place. Download the free anchor app or going to Anchor dot f m-- to get started. Thanks guys now back to the show. Special guest Nicholas bear joins the podcast today. We talk all things, Iowa basketball Nick's story his journey to Iowa City what it's like playing with guys like Bohannon Garza. We Scamp all of it a lot of other personal stuff from Nick as well. Really. Hope you guys enjoy this one. Listen to the whole thing. Let's have it. Welcome back wash. The Walk-Ons fans is the 83rd episode of the podcast. Excuse me, and I'll tell you what, it's no secret that I am pretty excited to get on the podcast. Every time that we do said it before I really do enjoy just coming on here chopping it up with the guys having having people on having great conversations. It's always a great time. But today I think this might be one of the more excited I've been this episode in particular is one that I've wanted to do for quite a while because of how much history behind the scenes this guy and myself have through other people through all of our high school careers, and it's also another opportunity for us to the podcast the step outside of the realm of football and get some other Hawks on the podcast who deserve to be recognized for the awesome ship it they did in their careers not everybody has a podcast to talk about how great they used to be we do. That's what we did is so we're trying to offer our platform to others to fucking remember the good times man, because this whole growing up shit. It's not as fun as I expected it to be like getting rid of birds for for lunch and what you wear and what curse words you say like, that's okay, but paying bills and shit. Like I didn't know how much I hated Panic cable bill until I was on the phone cursing out somebody on DirecTV. Because their prices are way too expensive and it was a $400 cancellation. So like, you know growing up just ain't all that shit. But we have a great podcast. And today we have probably man. What's going to end up being a top five all-time guest I guarantee this is going to be a great conversation Nicholas Golden Bear. Welcome to the podcast bro. What's up guys? Had a lot of pressure put on me. Holy shit. There's absolutely zero pressure. In fact fact after that intro I realized how truly sad what we're doing here is you know, we are fresh off of recording episode 82 with the one and only make and pleb as a guest host talking about football talking about Hawkeyes talking about the UFC fight and we're you know in this offseason format we've done we switched over to getting all of our shit done on Sundays so that we can be a little Bit more professional a little bit more scheduled and now we have like Drake said someone on who we've wanted for a while Nick. So excited to have you on and have a basketball perspective. Gosh where to start let's start with what Drake mentioned lot of lot of history not necessarily directly but Drake and you hail from the same part of the earth we do. Hey his town listen to me. Listen to me his town on their on their sign says Bettendorf. Welcome to the premier City. Yeah. Look Ben David now that now that that's out in the oxygen. I'll let you smoke. Yeah, I know both from the Eastern, Iowa area. Yeah, I was actually born in Iowa City, but I grew up in bed or from there like second grade. So whether my whole life, you know went through high school and everything there kicked Most teens ask a bunch of times. It was all good. Here we go. And the worst part is he has all the bragging rights and let's let's let's talk about it. What was the closest game that Muscatine gave you guys in high school? Oh man, I Funny Story one of my memories about Muscatine as I remember. We're playing them was my junior year. I think where's my seniors their senior night and we're their plan and we got chewed out at the end of the third quarter because we like stole a ball and one of my teammates try to thrown off the back where Allie you to me, and I just think that's why you can't do that in like someone's like senior night, you know. But that's incredible about a minute but then go down. That's actually incredible man. And just the fact that Drake Drake likes it like he's obviously the shit talker on the podcast. You probably know that and so forth to get somebody in here that can really just, you know, bring Muscatine down a level and all of that is it's really great. We're all for that I want to so, okay. So see y'all will get into it, but But so Nick I want to start off 2012. Oh boy that football team have you so the story Justin vanhouten? Most people are going to have no idea what I'm talking about, but that's okay. Did he actually jump out of a moving car? I can't confirm that but if you like that up, that wouldn't surprise me. So there's a there's a story there. So this for the podcast listeners, I don't bring this up for no reason just in Van Hooten is the single number one scariest football player I've ever played against in my life Bar None no level or anything because I was the the least prepared to be up against somebody like him because I've never met somebody that was more fucked up than me by so far like he several standard deviations to the right of me and that is really saying something and the the the word on the street around Eastern Iowa is that he was in an altercation with somebody inside a car and they were just like talking a bunch of shit and he they said he wouldn't jump out of the car blah blah blah they bet him and he just he jumped out of a moving car like 30 somehow the word on the street. I think I heard something about I'm not sure if it's true or not. But like I wouldn't doubt it though. Like that's very by possible Nick. I imagine you probably imagine you probably didn't hang out with a lot of people that had those qualities. No, I wasn't jumping out of cars in high school. Yeah, you see the like more of a straight edge one of the guys that if you were on the football team at Iowa KF what a really really enjoyed talking about. Here's another here's another story that takes us back to high school. We were playing better. Dorf in Passing League. Did you you ever know about Passing League Nick? I heard about it. Yeah. Yeah, it's always just High School seven on seven, but it was just to try and get everybody better and we were playing in Rock Island, which is already a sketchy place to be and we were playing Bettendorf and like, you know passing leagues. No helmets. No pads not then just two hand touch seven on seven and the way Justin vanhouten got me down one time was I ran an out route from the slot and he just, you know was playing outside line. GE and I tried to cut back and he tagged me down with a punch to the face. He just punched me in the face the only one way to play so we want me to play so talk about talk about your years at Bettendorf any any memories or anything that you think kind of, you know shaped you and led you to your time and Iowa City. What are some of the better times in high school? And how did Nick bear become Um a guy that the Iowa basketball team found. Yeah, I think a lot of like the like the reason I am who I am today is from like the Bender of culture that we had and I think what was really unique was I got a chance to play like all like the people in my grave. We're all like George play with each other from like third grade on so we have like a really good chemistry together, but I think I remember my junior year. We went 25 and one we lost in the State title game to Iowa City West and Those guys are really good and I remember come back the next year and just like thing like that. Like, you know, this is this is it like we got every pretty much like everybody back. We lost a couple of seniors but I remember like the standard like play a bender was always like to play like play as hard as you can try because I can you can I think that's something that I definitely carried with me at Iowa. And I think like that was just like the expectation and I think that's something that as as always like stuck with me. And it just becomes like second nature now like the pro level. It's like it's just second. It's like it's just your habit and I think just being a Bend or if like, they help they help me build a really good habits. And therefore like, you know, like have some success in Iowa. What was the process of you becoming a Hawkeye? What was what did that look like? When did that begin in your high school? Yeah, so my senior year. I had like hardly any interest at all. I had one I'd like some interest from Wayne State out in, Nebraska. And you can pretty much I know so but it pretty much really picked up after my senior year. I had an opportunity I one scholarship offer to Northwest Missouri State which is division to school division two powerhouses. Like they've won like two or three national teams in a row and then I could have walked on at Drake you and I or Iowa I just grew up in Iowa fan. My order of like huge Iowa Hawkeye fan didn't wasn't interested in Drake that much. They were going to make private tuition solution that and then I mean she had to pick between I would sit here Cedar Falls. That's a pretty clear choice. Sounds like these its decision of all time. Yeah, I mean and I just had a chance to sit down with because coach McCaffrey. He saw me play in Des Moines. I was planning its Connor actually in the state semifinal. We lost we counter actually ice the game. He made two free throws put them out for with like Three seconds, there's almonds so he's give me a whole lot of shit about that permit. No, I mean it's just interesting how it should happens. But so he saw me play there. I had 22 and 12 that game and then he just saw he had me come to campus for like an unofficial and offered me a walk-on spot and her like walking out like with like my mom was there and shit and I was just like, yeah, I'm not turning this down. So I think I call him like two days later. I was like, yeah, so your story sounds like you could be the the fourth host of this podcast right now. Yeah like that shit you gosh. I mean it's almost crazy the parallels outside of the difference the major difference of just the sport being something else. So how many jumpers did you put up between your Junior and Senior year because your senior you were an absolute sniper. I I was screaming for people to flexible. Yeah, that would be What does before you were ever in college? What is what did your workouts look like? How much time were you putting in an offseason in like a high school offseason? What did that look like our high school did a good job of like making sure we had like scheduled workouts every day, but so they were always a like there's always instincts like they had a bunch of football players to so we had to go like before the football like being at like 7:30. So we'd like our work at like 6:00 a.m. It's like make sure that we can accommodate that football players. So we like always have that but then like the thing that I was eight. Preciate it's like my mom's the principal better high school. He's the school. So like pretty much wouldn't like it. Anybody's like is like no one's using it for like volleyball or anything like that. I could pretty much like just take the keys and solutely go up. And so yeah, I just like, I think I utilize that quite a bit and I was always helpful. I think just like, you know find some space that way. But yeah, I think just getting up like a lot of shots and like especially like in college my junior year. I didn't shoot it back great, and I knew I wanted to Rottweiler and I think like some that I would does really well is not you guys see it now. I think we're at the rank like first or third and like Open Season because you can like do all like all skills like Drew. Yeah, you would also I think I would as a really nice job like developing your skills. And I think that's something that really helped me is just like spend a lot of time in the gym and just get a lot of shots up. Yeah, so we know what it's like to be like walk-on football team. There's like a hundred Five Guys, but Obviously there's a lot of spots to compete for is a walk on a basketball team. Like there's only five guys in the coordinate at any given time. So like you don't hear about whole lot of walk on stories and basketball it can do in football. Keep talk a little bit about that like what the process was like for you to, you know, get some recognition get some Court time and eventually be you know, the guy senior year. Yeah. I think I remember funny sort of My First's like it's like my first like two weeks on campus. We had like not two weeks like to Practice. We had a really when I was like closed or scrimmages the like no one's supposed to know about but of course everybody knows what's going on Creighton and I'm running with Erin white at the time whose like senior and like senior leader and everything and like they gave us our scattered reports and I'm just assuming they were supposed to look it over and like know whatever and we go down to breakfast the next morning and unbeknownst to me. We have a quiz so we get we get quizzed about it and I look like because our one of our Cooks like, okay like yeah time for quiz, and I'm Finally always like pulling the like I look over at Whitey and he's just has like the biggest smirk on his face because he didn't they didn't tell me that they set your ass up. What an asshole like I was like, wow, I really so I love getting the question like half right but ever since then I've been like, all right, like I did that was the last question I missed my thrust. Yeah smart man. I'm sorry. No, I think so. My always appreciate was just like coach a Caffrey. Is like he gives gives you like what you earn like based off Merit not necessarily based off like what like how many stars that you have like high school? Like it's based on like, how can you perform? Like, how do you help the team and like, yeah, there's only five guys on the court. So like if you can extend your value even further like that's going to help you and I think that Sam I always appreciated but yeah any like they're really walk on days where I mean that first year my first Redshirt year was kind of fun. It's like I wasn't playing but I was on Scout team. So like I was almost like being with the opposing players every day and you pretty much have free rein. You can like do almost no wrong. Like you can help. Yeah. I do kind of aggressive and you miss it's like, okay. I know that that's what he's going to do type of thing. So I do want to know on scholarship and I do definitely miss that bad be on Scout team and you can literally just do whatever you want and whatever you want as long as you're giving Mefford everything here. Yep. It reminds me of that reminds me of be Ross because when you're on Scout team on the football team, your goal is to basically get noticed by fucking up as many starters as you can and you're gonna get in trouble, but you're going to get noticed and like so that's funny. Um, you were the Sixth Man of the Year talk about that. That talk about that mindset. You mentioned I shot out a text you might have saw tweets if you checked your phone. I tagged you in a tweet and I asked what would you ask if you had one question? What would you ask Nick bear? One of them was what was it like being the Sixth Man of the Year and talk about that? And then also, what was it like playing all the time a hundred percent gassed because of the effort you gave and I think those two things go hand in hand, right? Yeah, I think when I started like my first year I somehow I was like thought to myself is like what is something that I can do that like no one else can bring like wear something like to separate myself to try to get like on the court and I think for me that was definitely bringing energy like playing like as hard as I could as long as I could and I understood like I knew going in like, okay, I'm not gonna be playing like 30 plus minutes. I'm probably me playing anywhere from 15 to 20. So as long as I just play balls in the wall like while we're out there and then that you That's how you'll be effective type of thing. And I think that carried over in like my Sixth Man of the Year just also because like I knew we had that was urea that Peter jock we had Tyler cook and joy, Mohan we had like studs these Frozen up and coming and we had peered doc was like an all-conference player like led the league in scoring. So like I understood that I didn't need like I didn't need to go out and get like 15 20, like I needed to like be really good at my role which was like playing with high energy and helping effect winning. Like I took a lot of pride in that I think that's getting an insane amount of rebounds for a not tall white guy. I know that's why I was thinking the other not tall white guys really damn proud every time good shit will happen though. So yeah, I know I always liked took pride in that and I was like, I was kind of like surprised by the end of the year that I either award but I had some like very proud about was keeping with me. Yeah. Hey guys. Yep, it's me. Again. Got to interrupt the episode real quick to talk to you guys about Spotify one of the sponsors of this podcast on Spotify. You can listen to all your favorite artists and podcasts in one place for free. You don't even need a premium account Spotify has a huge catalogue of podcasts on every topic including the one you're listening to right now. Yeah, we're on Spotify. I don't know how we did that but pretty cool other things you can do on Spotify is All your favorite podcast, so you never miss an episode premium users can download episodes to listen to offline wherever you are and you can easily share what you're listening to with your friends on Instagram. If you haven't done so already be sure to download the Spotify app search for wash up Walk-Ons on Spotify or browse podcasts in the your library tab. Also, make sure to follow us so that you never miss an episode of The Watcher Parkins the so one of the questions that I got was for you was did you have any welcome to the Big Ten moments either good or bad? Like oh shit. I don't know if I'm prepared for this or like an oh shit moment. You walked into a an opposing environment where you're like damn like I'm really a part of this anything come to mind for that. Yeah. Well not big time. I remember my red shirt year. I remember playing we went to North Carolina we played there and I was kind of like Oh fuck. I don't know if I'm relaxing at home. There were ranked. Number one. I'm thinking like I played pretty well that game and like we won we beat the number one team on our home floor is like, you know, I can do this. I can play here like him like be here and like that gave me like some confidence going and I mean that team was But he was like so much fun to be around. So being with like that group of guys was fun and then just kind of like just rolling from there. I think gave me a lot of confidence. Yeah, but it's how you play Michigan State like you're going to end up on your ass. You're gonna end up with bruises next day like this out guys. And anybody like favorite favorite moment or favorite person you ever guarded or favorite anything like that a specific memory that comes to yeah. I think we may be We do at home and I had blocked Isaac Hast the rim. I remember I would like go get the 7-footer. He's gonna get it felt good about yourself. I did. Yeah. I was on a little bit of high after that. Just anytime you go a challenge like a 7-footer odds are you're probably going to get dunked on but like the only one or two times you don't or maybe you found them. They met Cameron at the line, but I think I remember that moment me like I was taught. That was the one that's all right, go go run with that those how tall are you? I'm six seven when I stand up straight and when I run stands on three want to stand up for you. I would take a couple of those. So I'm 510. There you go the other to the other to in this podcast our normal size humans, but I'm kind of on the shorter side what it was sighs weakest. I would say like six one, but that's kind of from the world we come from that's probably a little big the average males m58 in the world. It's like five nine and United. Is it something like that? You know, what's funny is as a just a personal memory real quick going back to football. We were four years into playing and I had a I had a welcome to Big Time football moment for years in three years in starting when we played Florida in the Outback Bowl that returner he gained ground. So quick on me straight up the field that I was like, oh, we're not supposed to be on the same field together. That's what this that brought that brought in memory back. Yeah, funny question real quick. We got a couple Harry Potter questions on Twitter. Excellent boys love about so which of the which I guess maybe it's different which movie / book is your favorite of the seven slot. Yes. Those are two different questions. My favorite book Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince. I said, that's my parents because like sets up like the last one way up as a lot of like that movie is Harry Potter Goblin fire for sure. Proud of the tournament that is dope with like the dragons and the Mets and you're right dude. The Triwizard Tournament was happening comes back and it's like, all right. Let me know so we can talk Harry Potter for days, but the the fans don't wanna listen to that. I want to hear about you got to play with so many incredible people write a lot of the stuff that happens for us. It's all about the people and the the He's that you make in the friendships that you create and people that are still playing you played with a few that are just just real almost like icons their Iowa icons. Bohannon being one of them. Garza is turning into an absolute machine our let's just start with your thoughts on this on the team this year and then we'll talk a little bit about some of your favorite memories from from the guys that are still playing. Yeah, I mean it's been a lot of fun. Like I wasn't sure I was going to feel like watching these guys and it's like I mean, it's like so much fun. Like the first game was a little weird that after that. It's okay. Let's roll but they're I mean, they're playing really well right now, I think like Luca Garza's playing on All-American level like that's phenomenal and I think like that's not necessarily surprising the people in the program. I think it's pretty surprising people outside the program who I like haven't seen I went to like hard he's been working. I think some of it doesn't get enough credit is I'm coach cabins doing a hell of a job like coaching these guys, especially like when you consider how many injuries and like setbacks they've had oh my God dick, you like never run of the mill type of thing. So they been doing really well and I think like if they keep this up like that definitely be like playing a March. I think that's the ultimate goal for every like, I would seriously can you play like deep into March and I just like I like it's like so fun to watch like kind of not like Not as a fan objects, I know what's going on, but it was like seeing like how fast they play like how like skilled they are and either like they're playing really well like connected together and just you ever have a weird moment where you're like you feel like you're on the bench and you know coach is about to look down be like yo Nick get in the game or nice. I know like I just know like the SATs the runner I all see like them like went up nicer for mostly I like you. There we go. Really? Oh, yeah. Thanks, that's always fun though, but I was pretty impressed last night. I had a chance to watch them play against Michigan a crowd is loud, man. That crowd was lousy in the middle of a blizzard to dude. Yeah, exactly. So, I think that that makes a huge difference to because like carver can get really loud, especially like those weekend games. Like I think that goes that can be like really special and I think that definitely does play like a big part like Yakima games. How does car let's talk? Awesome, Joey's Camp. Let's talk some Muscatine Pride Joey's cam underneath. I need to hear some Joey's can't talk from you. I just yeah could be such music to my ears. That dude is as cool as the other side of the pillow. I mean, he's just like very you can key like doesn't get too high doesn't get too low. I think he's a pro. I'm not sure if it's going to be this year or next year. But I mean, I think that the other day using me playing at the highest level there. Is he absolute sniper? Yeah, I mean Did you can't leave a bad thing? And he's I mean like his form is so pure that like you just like like even if like he's like in a little bit of a slump at some point like, you know, like it's not sustainable just by like how he like he shoots the ball. So I'm really looking forward to like watching him because I think they're gonna have to lean on him a lot like the rest of this year, especially with Jordan out. So I think that's gonna be really important. But yeah, I mean, he's been he's like a lot I only played them for one year, but I feel like he committed like really early like almost like before I even got Out there, so it's like I feel like I've known him like I'd seen him like every fall like come like football games like this stuff. So yeah, he's never met a bigger gym rat like you yeah gym rat to me. Yeah. I mean, he's I really like his first like few days like on campus like in the summer like he was like like it was just like going to shoot. He's like already on there. My how do you have a key yet? But you shouldn't even I have like access like in your head. I feel like we Scamp is that kid who at least in high school the other similar to Drake how you like weren't a fan of Nick that dumb that I'm like masculine on the athlete at one school. You're the athlete the other school. I feel like we Scamp is that guy who is just like every other good player on every other team hated him because he was so good. And because it's just like he doesn't do anything wrong. Like I mean, I especially like in high school. He's getting like triple team and crazy still dropping 30 every game. Yeah. He dropped 50 on Benders remember that we're in Penn State like getting ready to fire again the next day and I like shining through Twitter. I see Mac costs tweeting about how like Joey stamps winding us up. So listen, like I know that everybody in this podcast right now is popular in high school and like we had you know, the people of the city were fans of us and less than the other I have never seen High School popularity. Like I saw with Joey's kit dunno I went back to see games. I was in the upper rows. Because the whole place was packed sold out the kid the kid couldn't get off the floor because he had so many autographs. It's like, I mean that line didn't end it was like, you know on Bruce Almighty when he's typing the emails back to everybody's prayers and he like a million of them, but he's got 11 million more to go. That's literally how Joey's counts autograph line was Joe was on his Harrison Barnes shit because that's how it was on his shit. That's how cameras everywhere this guy was the man. Thing is I was like that was like completely well deserve to like it wasn't like bunch of bullshit. Like that's like he was like living up there. Yeah. Yeah. Last year Jordan Bohannon intentionally missed the free throw to two years ago to to keep Chris streets record alive talk about Jordan. I think he's obviously a huge focus of the social media Iowa Community. He's he's not he's a little bit polarizing if there's anyone on the team. That is talk. What it was like being a teammate of Jordans what you thought of the missed free throw what you thought of him leaving the shoes on Iowa State's Court this year all of it. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry, like putting its him in high school are like it's like we have a sky reports and I remember playing like this guy's like kind of full of himself has yeah like, you know by the shit, but then I got to college I was like, obviously they committed I started playing with him like playing against him. I hated him, you know, like in caught like a high Look, like he's one of those guys like you love having on your team though, like you love them. He's like you kind of mentioned. He's not afraid to let his opinions known he's really out outspoken, which is like very much something he likes to do and I think he's good at so I think What like what's special about him is like like really like end the game type stuff because like when any game like everyone's nerves like get like ramped up a little bit but like when you watch him and like you look at him like he calms down like everyone else is all I got hyped up jacked up, but he's like almost like makes him like calmer like cooler and I think that's what makes him special especially like me you seem like the late game heroics. He's had like all last year and we'll have again next year. So is he the most ice water teammate you Ever had not even close not even close right he is just he's onions. But I mean, I remember because like our game against was like I really are gave me this Wisconsin his freshman year you get that three to like win it. I was like, we got a killer. We have a killer. So he's you want you want the ball in his hands at the end of games and I mean odds are it's going to be a great decision whatever decides to do. So so I'm like so torn because I wish he was playing for this team right now, so Badly, but I'm so excited that once this year's over we still get to watch him right people for another year. Like I only like too far ahead like you think about like next year's team. Like you got like a full squat like pretty much I would sue my most popular coming back. I mean, maybe like lukeandjo my husband decision that like the end of the year, but I mean like those guys come back healthy Jordan like CJ Frederick who's playing out? His mind right now. It's like I mean, we're I'm cruising to graduate but I mean that's a really strong core Technologies going to come back. So yeah, I think he's reciting dude. It's free. It's really exciting the prospect. That's I'm just hoping it was guys. Don't play too good and they got paid this year. If I if I had to take a guess Joe's coming back. I would yeah, there's knowing who Joe is a person. I think he's coming back that's with no Insider knowledge at all. That's just knowing him his family how Chiz, how much focus is family puts on education and everything? I would have a hard time seeing him leave after I think Luke is the one with the hard decision. Yeah, right. Now he's averaging like I did like some research and like I don't think there's because I forget what he's having he's having some insane like 23 and 11 or something like 24 to 11 right now or something and I was like doing a little research and there's never been a player in a power five School whose average 20 + + + that In go in the first round Jesus sad, he's gone. He's gone. That's an opportunity there. Like if he's I mean obviously if he's going to get dropped the first how high in the first round because basketball kind of does it weird where the bubble tier system? Yeah. So like the first I mean if you're like a lottery pick like that's a little like different. But yeah, I'm not actually like the exact. I just know like the first round first round, you're like guaranteed contracts. So like that's like, that's awesome. So I mean That's some crazy stuff. But I mean if he does come back next year like that be amazing, but if he has an opportunity to promote him and where jelly they have opportunity make life-changing money. I don't let the peacock fly, right? That's what we always say on this podcast man peacock fly, which is so funny. His dad is awesome on Twitter. I look any you mentioned kriner. What a Savage he is, right? Yeah. I'll talk about talk about him like Did you have a good relationship with him? And yeah, absolutely. I love him. Yeah, he's he's a different cat. He's a different cat. He's very like comfortable in his own skin. Like he knows what he does. I think he's not was like high energy my on the court, but I mean, he's been like I think his developments been really impressive of these last few years how he's like with his skill set like how he's like mentally approach to game that's really impressive and I think it's really showing out like his two-year here. Like he had a huge smile. Last night against Michigan my turn the tide probably the biggest shot of the game, of course up for with like minute Thirty or two minutes ago. So I couldn't be happier for him. I think he's going to like continue and to be like a really important role throughout the rest of the season absolutely great offensive rebounder. That's what I love Ryan Kroner for. Yeah, he gets rebounds. He probably shouldn't get and yeah, it was kind of the Nick bear special. Yeah. He's yeah, you always got him and he's got great hands to like around the rim and his always like You always me ready for like offensive rebounds issue Kevin. I think Nick and Crainer. I think they're both like honorary Savage backs. You know if if we could come up with a Savage back tight or definition for basketball that would definitely fit their mold. That's what health Savage 600 Savage back. Nick is a term that was kind of created by guys who did not start out of position. There's actually some criteria you are a walk-on white kid who didn't stop the dart at a real position, but you played all four phases punt punt return kick. Kick return and so it was it was named the SB instead of like a DB or an RB you were an SB good you could call them you could call him the Savage 6 and says Savage back because he's a six-man or terms up here terms any any fun or memorable Fran mccaffery stories. Hell yeah, how much time the I love it? I think sometimes like I mean for about like 90% of the time like he talked to you. He like uses like this voice like very like calm like very like direct like I was like this sometimes we're like, he does like like get animated whatever like that that'll happen. But I think I remember one of the things I was right about Coach you all Told us like really like I think it's like early on in my career. We had like a couple like bad practices and he's like kind of like guys get their own heads or like there's like egos going on about and he's like guys like everybody's got problems here. Like everyone's got some like they're going through but like here's the reality 50% of the people outside of this room. Don't care the other 50% are glad you have them. So like just like it you got some like talk to us in here. It's like people in this program care about you like Don't like thing, like people that are like outside the programmer and that sort of like looking for you like your best interest type of thing. Yeah. I love that. That's always something that's like stuck with me. Like everyone's got shit going on, you know, but what do you miss most now that you're out in a way from Iowa City? Well, we'll get to what you're doing now and what the future for Nick bears, but what's the thing you miss most You know I miss so what was really cool about last season was my brothers on the team. So my brothers on the team and I like that's not my miss a lot. I get a chance like see him every day and just like being with him. That was some was really special. See I miss some special was your whole senior year in general. Yes. Yeah, I think senior year was special because the year we had before was dog shit and it wasn't very good. It was like I was I would like to lower like Parts like my career was like they like coming back off that and knowing I didn't want to go out that way and a lot of great teams are bounce back team bounced back to me because it hurts for a long time. Yeah, so that was a long summer like just like sitting with that and I knew like being the only senior like I knew like there's a lot of like responsibly like helped lead the team and I think I was really like happy with how like my year ended like going out on like a good know making the tournament win a game and coming with them, you know a couple He's away from you and sweet 16. So close dude. That was heartbreaking heartbreaking. I don't gotta tell you but but it was just that game is nuts just like being down 25 and then coming all the way back. It was nuts watching it. It was fucking bananas do and I like re-watch like a few times like there's just like a couple times. We had this one back for that way back, but I'm just proud of how we fought all the way back. So oh, yeah, but yeah so senior that was special. But yeah. The city I miss Danny lion brochure I go back get some pancakes they're missed that but I mean I'm is like the people most meaning for sure - cooking breakfast for Bohannon. What's up? Yeah, go to another place. I said you missed that I've seen not I saw that you were always cooking breakfast for Jordan. He always possible. Yeah, we I don't even know how it started but like yeah, I think he I told him it's like yet. He like didn't eat breakfast like long as I was like dude, you gotta eat breakfast, bro. So that stuff and then he got back and forth. Are you a big gamer? You play Fortnight with Jordan? No, I'm not playing FIFA but not those guys. I'm I'm like so hard behind like that. If I just started now, it'd be like dude. So now talk about lets, you know your time and Iowa City ends and bring us from that point to right now what has transpired in the life of Nick Bear? Yeah, so finished up at, Iowa. And then right now I'm in Toronto some with Raptors 905 and which is the Toronto Raptors G League affiliate and start up here in October. So I like it up here a lot. It's been a great experience so far then just like having a chance to play professionally. Thanks Ben. Like it's always like a goal of mine to have been a dream of mine. So not quite washed up yet, but still got a ways to go. It's been it's been good, though. Good place for me like start my career up here and then hopefully continue my career for as long as like I can play and as long as I can and then figure out the whole the built-in thing later dude, hold off on it is what's up? Hell yeah, as long as you can and when you think you may not want to play anymore just play a little bit longer. Just make once this shit is gone you sometimes wake up from a dream and you're like, wow. I wish I could have just fucking finished that one because you want again so bad look a hundred percent dude. Don't never graduate stay in school and school never never hear us. You're always a washed up walk-on from the University of Iowa. That's true. That's all that's always over and that's kind of what this podcast your you were a smart guy Nick. Yeah. Yeah in school pretty good at something like what like yeah, because I graduate with like a I'd like to 8, you know, I had said Communications major history minor leadership certificate and then I have one semester left to grad school for sports Recreation. Okay. So on so in the when the real life does hit and and and Nick bear jumper just isn't what it used to be anymore. What uh, are there any any what was life after basketball for you you think about Going into coaching you think about something else no idea. I had a chance to do one of my summers at a chance to intern at the University of Iowa foundation. So I had a chance to work with like Athletics development Athletics fundraising. I actually I was like I had was an intern the other intern was Ike bugger. So I just wanted the questions on Twitter was who is the best intern coworker? Yeah, exactly. So yeah, he was a lot of fun, but I think get a chance like see what they do. That was really cool. Not sure if I want to do it necessary for our Athletics, but I think like fundraising in general for like a cause I really care about that'd be something that would be interested in whatever level that might be or whatever organization by things like get a chance to see how like to interact people and build relationships and then like working towards like a good cause and that's something that's worthwhile. Awesome. Are you sure you don't want to sell medical devices? Hey, I'm not going to rule it out. You want to live in the desert? We're living the jump shot. Six extra bedrooms in this house. I've only got one. I've only got one might my mom occupies one. I would never give up my mom's room. But yeah, I do have one. Okay, and then now I'll keep that in mind. Well Nick we are so happy that we were able to finally get you on. I know a lot of people wanted this to happen a lot sooner than it did we we are horrible at the the whole pod casting thing. So we were far behind on most of The gas that we're trying to get on here eventually, but I think the fans are really going to enjoy this one. I know we caught you right after like a travel day. What what what you have going on right now? Yeah, so we were so we played in Canton Ohio last night and we're supposed to drive back rashly game, but there's a big snow storm in the Northeast. So we said the night and then we got on the bus at 6:30 this morning back at about 12:30. So a six-hour bus ride, so, I'm just gonna hang out watch some NFL football. So now whoo, you got it. Whoo, you got in these games. I'm rooting for the Packers and the Chiefs. I want to see Rogers Mahomes. I think that's something like like State Farm guy that well. Yes, he forgot. I think that's something I just be like most entertaining but I mean, I mean if 49ers when I'd be fine with that too, just like I would love watch towards kiddo. I love see that and Super Bowl. Oh, yeah. Absolutely Savage Bang Bang. Yeah, yes. Well in my hookers on the Titan shit, so yeah, we got guys all over the place. So hello. So there you go lose. Well Nick I had to think so so hold up. I had to think about what Nick just said there because he said Amani hooker, but on my end it sounded like my hooker inside. He's like my hookers on the Titans and one of the cheerleaders. Yeah. Yeah. Great. This was that's how most of these And we just fuck it out at the end and a great podcast and Drake just ruins the day. It's just you you got the treatment 101. I appreciate it. Absolutely and you can come back anytime maybe have you back when we get closer to March and the in yes, we got a March Madness episode with the Hawks in the tournament would be dope that would be that'd be incredible. So thank you for joining us again. And we get a hawks by a million Ox by million, baby. Yeah. That's it. Everybody. Have a great day. Peace.

Nicholas Baer is a former walk on basketball player to the University of Iowa. Born in Iowa city, he grew up in Bettendorf where he became one of the states best prep basketball players before becoming a Hawkeye. Nick joins the show to talk all things Iowa basketball including his thoughts on some of the current Hawkeyes, playing for Fran Mccaffery, and what he misses most. He also catches everyone up on what his life looks like now in the G league playing for the Raptors affiliate team. Here is a summary of what Nick accomplished as a Hawkeye: Non-scholarship athlete his first two years, academically, before earning a scholarship following his redshirt freshman season (spring of 2016)… only player in program history to surpass 750 points, 500 rebounds, 100 assists, 100 steals, 100 blocks, and 100 3-point field goals… third Hawkeye since 1980 to lead the team in steals three consecutive seasons (Dean Oliver, Steve Carfino)… first Hawkeye since 1980 to lead the team in steals and blocks in the same season twice (2017, 2019)… first Hawkeye since Jeff Horner in 2005-06 to lead the team in steals in back-to-back seasons (1.3 spg in 2017 and 1.0 spg in 2018)… only player to win all four games in the seven-year history of the four-team Hy-Vee Classic… reached double figures 29 times and had four double-doubles… averaged 8.5 points, 8.3 rebounds, and two steals in four games representing Iowa on the 2016 USA East Coast All-Stars team… four-time Academic All-Big Ten honoree… three-time Big Ten Sportsmanship Award honoree for the Iowa men’s basketball team… averaged 7.3 points, four rebounds, and a team-best 1.75 steals on Iowa’s four-game tour in Europe in August, 2018… twice named to the NABC Honors Court and earned the team’s Academic Excellence Award twice.

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All I know is pushing boundaries make small minds very angry cats out of the bag all around on this one Cowboys and Aliens and so much more as we are talking Roswell, New Mexico episode 9 season 1 songs about Texas AfterBuzz after show starts right now, you are tuned in to AfterBuzz TV the ESPN of TV time. Now let them go. Oh my gosh. This episode was all over the place and yet All in One Direction. I don't I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I felt good then I felt bad. Then I was confused then I thought I knew it all and then I realized I knew nothing and I feel great to have our fourth alien back come back. Thanks so much for having me back. I'm so glad to be here. I'm Toronto will be hosting this after pound as we get into a lot of discussion. We're going going to go over Max and Cameron Michael and Maine's Isabella Noah Kyle and his mom the love triangle. We all found out about including all the characters active Shooters fourth. Alien, Isabel's innocence a lot of social commentary some tidbits who you were we pick the scene that best describes us some very Michael news and gossip and of course good old-fashioned predictions. I am joined As I Am Not Alone by a wonderful cast of hosts all the way to the left. We're starting off with pink jacket in the building pink jacket. Mr. George Khoury, it's good to be here. Again was glad I'm glad to have you guys on this panel with me because I've been watching the panel each and every week and who's been shocking me the most the one and only lovely Zuri is in the building as well. I'm sorry Shirley's yeah, you are soft-spoken but powerful words and we talk about power Mind Over power. We are talking the one and only mr. Jim Alexander. That's a good introduction. I've nothing else to add. Yeah, there's Shouldn't be anything to add because that I wish the show was like that. Yeah so much to ask. We just get it. You know what the show reminds me of the show is honestly at this point, we're just the tip play go. Can you just please look I'm your I'm just just go I got one it like I want to know what happens when we get so much more in this episode where I feel that it was all over the place, but at the end it all tied together very neatly and the show is coming along amazingly Jim. What were you overall thought? On the show this week. We got some answers. I just thought the thing that stuck out to me. I wasn't I think they over acted in a lot of wines the actors I think for the first like three quarters of it. It was just too many reactions too many. Oh my God moments. I've no it happens in every episode. But today was like way more we've got shot jump shot, but you wanted to be like yo, I just thought it was like all the parts. Everything was just so heightened and hyped up. Up over hyped up to a point, but at least we got some sort of connections and we're relationship-wise. We had the we're going to get into all that but I felt like acting wise it was over top story wise. They tied up some ants Missouri. This was one of my favorite episodes. We saw the story really moved forward instead of so much love and taking us around in circles. So I really liked it Zuri Chris. Laughs. Okay, George. How do you feel overall thoughts? The story did move forward. Sorry, but what I enjoyed the most were the comedic one-liners writers hats off to you and also camera crew DP awesome camera work this episode, especially the scene when they're running out of the hospital and also like the rack focus when there's two people one person in Focus one percent of focus very artistic well done, you know to the point of the Iraq now, I'm actually really starting to like the acting I feel like it's coming together very well. I'm enjoying each character very much coming in. To their own and defining their character with their own mannerisms. I feel like I'm closer to Noah than I've ever been. Yeah more of it. I'm such I'm becoming such a fan of Kyle who you've always been team Kyle and even even Max has been has been rounding out. I'm really enjoying the acting on the show. We'd love to hear what you have to say in the live chat. We do have the the best alien of them all out of this world stuffs her bra in the booth. Live-chat Manning it in a gender-neutral way. So feel free to write us and let us know what you think as well. Let's jump into some story plot lines. One of the central parts of this episode was the fact that the cat was out of the bag all the way around who doesn't know. They're an alien in this point. No. No, everyone's like, oh, they're aliens and the one that surprised me the most was the Max and Cameron storyline Zuri. How did you feel during Did you did you feel like that empathy towards Cameron's character Jenna Cameron's character when she's like you've been lying to me all these years. I don't know what to think of Cameron at this point. She keeps it pretty stoic. She doesn't give us too much emotion. I can't tell if she's really salty about Max not being like the love of her life, but no, I don't know. I'm not sure. I'm on the fence. I mean Max didn't apologize and said specifically I'm Apologize for protecting my family George your connection to that. Well what I saw going back to Jenna's she was somewhat not too concerned with the romance and more concerned with her Mission. She's clearly on a mission now and I felt like she took it with a grain of salt and was just more about teamwork even pausing to worry about Liz's well-being Max, you know, she was barely breathing at one point so worried about you. So I see that that there is this team effort happening. This cohesiveness between all characters starting to form and she was less concerned with the romance and Max Running In Like A Champion Like A Champion more it okay champion of what like a champion of the people and of the aliens ran in there and you know was very selfless and doing that to protect. I felt like he was doing it to protect everyone. Well, he ain't my Champion Jenna Jenna is the one to be right now because she's focused she's clear. And she's you know, she's focused when she's not thrown off by the alien think she took it so stoic and cold maybe in a way when you know kind of expressing it to Max that she knows. He's an alien. She did throw that one funny one of the Extraterrestrial STD or something like Intergalactic. Yeah, that was a funny line again these one-liners they'll have a good one. And I think she's in control of her situation and her what she's going after and I think everyone else is kind of like all over the place. And she's focused. You know when it comes to Max and Cameron, I don't know why there's such a wall between the two Cameron comes off as she's very trustworthy. Why is Max so unable to trust her and so willing to trust Liz with very little with very little proof of loyalty unless his behalf cam is seems infatuated with list though. It's a little bit different. He's not thinking clear. I think when he's around her we got it. So consider for a while. She was kind of vibing with Mains and maybe Max cut on to and Max also created this culture of going to work in hiding his identity for so long to his partner. Whereas with Liz he was a little more forthcoming about his identity. She knew more so part of the wall, I believe was just for Max to protect his profession as a police officer as of like part of it as he didn't choose to tell her that he was an alien. Like I feel like if it were up to To him. He she would still be in the dark. So I think because they have more of a forced relationship because their co-workers it's not someone that he chooses to want to be. Okay. So relationship-wise, does that make it worse the fact that he didn't come clean she found out that he was protecting his whole family. I don't think that it makes it worse. There's no relationship there. They're just literally co-workers at this point. There's a romance that was fleeting. I don't think he cares enough to tell her honestly like you can you can kind of compare To their relationship like they're off work relationship, right? It's just kind of there's no substance to it was so I feel like when it comes to that, I don't think he even cares enough to fill her in on any sort of information about his life or anything else. Yeah. And Jim was there a moment of shade when Liz turns the Jennings you like. He always has to be the hero and then yeah that wasn't shame of his focus and goal oriented. But she might be heard in her own adapt in a dagger here and there no, we're not going to talk about that during the the love triangles because we got to we had the love triangle with Cameron Liz and Max and then we also had the Maria Michael Alex the means laughs triangles. So there were a couple of triangles that came to play. I want to know specifically when it comes to Max and Cameron. Are we saying that that romance is done finito? It's we it's interesting because we and I agree with you there anything. So it's interesting because we didn't see a closure on screen and we didn't see this Grand reveal like Liz going up to me like back off my man, where were up on and now so so I do believe that it just fizzled out kind of behind the scenes but it's very clear that lemax has prevailed lemax has prevailed and the people around them are starting to sense it. We even see, you know with Isabel's sake that it was like a lingering scent of Desert Rose when Liz walked out to Mac. So people are starting to notice it and that's the beauty and the writing this unset. It doesn't need to be verbalized but everyone around is starting to feel it. So with that being said yes to Ron I think they're done at this point. I think they're done and it's clear that Liz is in the main focus of Max even though she won't kiss them in public, right? She dodged him at one point when he was going in for a kiss. I think wasn't it right after the hot when he got Out of the thing and I think Isabel's right behind and she's kind of went her way swerve swerve. She didn't well there wasn't a swerve in the lab. They were cooking up but love in the lab. He sure but with Cameron, I don't know. I don't know if it's actually completely finished. He is there might be one more hit left. You know. What pretty? Yeah, that works. I hope it will see if she's cleared of those out. So apparent Intergalactic. Whatever STDs. 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You are the Cameron of the show because the voice of Life Care the voice of reason and Cameron seems to be that all the way around what's not logical sometimes is the Michael and Main situation how Michael comes clean and cats out the bag completely towards Mains now, we do know that Alex had knowledge because of the father and everything, but Michael went All the way you show me you show me yours. I'll show you mine and he showed them. What do you think of that George? I like the fact that we see Michael being vulnerable with his lover and coming clean all the way. It was a sense of relief for me as a fan of Michael to see him. I think that was therapeutic for him and very important to get it off his chest when he disclosed the part about wanting another awesome would lighter so you're trying to leave dot dot dot the planet what Alex said that Michael I thought that was beautiful writing it was hilarious but there is still although Michael is coming clean. He kind of did it in a way where it's just like he dropped he dropped it on Alex a little too hard like yeah. I love you, but I'm flying away and Alex reacted strangely, but imagine how great sex would be an outer space. He should have thought about that before he got upset just saying but I think that she acts would suck in our space so that you know, the physics are just not there, but that's that's neither here nor got fun figuring. Get out but on Alex's end he is I don't know that he held back too much. I felt that didn't he show him the little piece from the craft sure that he found so maybe he got no no, no Alex and Sean the he didn't she show you the Kyle. He showed it to come show it to Kyle. Yeah, so so he held back. Just did you like the way he held it back or do you think he should have been a lot more forthcoming like he held the back us. Remember? He said he has a little thing going Not like romantically with Kyle they have their own little kind of battery and now investigation going together. So I think he kind of trusts Kyle in that aspect and as much as Michael showed him and you know revealed Tim, I think it's still good to hold off let him hold off and then you know when he might need Michael for something that you can reveal there's always still a chance for him to reveal her or tell him but for right now let him and Kyle kind of do their thing there. Is he ever going to show Michael? Is he ever going to show Michael? Is he he said show me yours. I'll show you mine. And then that piece he hid it away. Yeah, I didn't really care for that because I feel like if someone's being transparent with you, you should be transparent with them. I'll do also know that that's a piece of his face ship. So if he wants to keep him on Earth and he should thank you. I still don't agree but I think that Michaels gonna find out about it. I don't think that Alex is going to tell him and I think it's gonna separate them. Well, that's the concept right? So here we have Alex and Michael trying to give full disclosure and I don't think either one gave full disclosure, but I would give Michael Moore of the disclosure than Alex. Definitely Zuri there Jim. Yeah, definitely. Are we still shipping these two? Yeah. There's something going. I mean Maria won't let it happen. Right what Michael so she removed herself. So now they're kind of only left on an island right? It's either them or nothing. You can never see it just be nothing. Huh? No, I mean there's always something between those two but what caught me by surprise although Maria probably got the message. They didn't it seem like Michaels still feeling her a little bit. Oh, no, he's still on tackle. That is Katie. Yeah, he likes Murray. He's like Maria for a long time. It seems to be one of the things and and definitely triangle worthy of discussion when it comes to Maine's with the with the ship pieces, right? You saw how the pieces of the ship fit in the The transcribing of it and that wasn't told to Michael either who trusts who at this point. What if we had a drop a chart of who trusts who with all the characters? What do you guys think how it would play out? I think you put Max and Liz at the top Max trust Liz does Liz trust Max I think so, okay. Jim this is great. No not I think Max I agree Max dust Russell is she doesn't trust him in a weird way now, I think I'll Trust Alex and Alex just Kyle. Yes, that's kind of a rivalry thing. But they now have this mutual respect and connection through the father Kyle's father that I think it's this almost like hot and cold kind of thing. But there's Mutual trust and respect their and that is so that's what we're shipping at the top. Yeah that was in percent and I see that I did Jim I agree with you. I see that Kyle's really trusting Alex especially seeing his knowledge base and his skills and you can see it. Every time Alex says something calls. Like whoa. Okay, it's almost trusting him out of necessity. He does realize he needs to know Alex at this point to get to the bottom of everything. I mean Cameron said it best thing. It's like the enemy of my enemy is my friend. It seems that that seems to be a lot of pattern there goes on here people who are enemies or friends and I can't really always figure it out is Isabel of know, where are we still shipping them as a couple Jim? No, No, there's just too much rockiness going on in that there's there's so much issues going on and there's not enough of like actual love Aroma as they say they have love for each other, but you don't really see it. Like they do like these platonic things like ooh, let's have a picnic or let's have sex but there's no like real come in picnic and sex or Bhutan. But this time I'm going to have to call you out. We can say that no has done things for her. He's come back in a lot of ways even though now he's backing off in some ways to but what has she done for him like to show her love and appreciation. She came clean today. I guess the first thing you could say, she finally admitted but was it out of necessity because he saw her an egg. I don't she didn't know that he came clean like he explained it to her, but she was going to tell him and of course at this point she needed to where she needed to write because you everyone else knows now around town pretty much that there's no secrets. Anymore not stripping them Zuri. You're not shipping them no more that look on your faces. I'm just I think I thought no it's going to have a psychotic break. I'm like worried about Noah more than I'm worried about. This is about like I feel like he's just gonna like break soon. You think it's too much? I think it's too much. It's I mean, she he couldn't even under she was like, I just want to I just want to like be in your skin. He's like you can do that. It's a little freaky to find out your partner's an alien and then she parted the people. He's like, I don't know if I'm ever going to get used to this exactly what that Hart also, it's interesting how her powers are so strong and yet they're not sometimes so which one is it? How does it play these these two people are totally in love? What's they're totally in love. I can't disagree I is about goats her on she's at how to change my mind fuse my skin to yours. That's not platonic Jeanette some freaky stuff. And and here's what I'm seeing though to Jim's point, right? She is more love for Rosa. Boom. You nailed the gym, so Tell you guys are ever going to get Intel. I don't know if it's love and I don't know if that's not Isabel. But that's the point that's the point but what I will say is even if you're being used as a vessel Steph's favorite word, even if you're being used as a vessel, here's the thing when you're exposed to a badass like Rosa, how are you going to go back to Noah and be satisfied carries memories trigger. Yeah, and you're living life on the edge with Rosa who's a total badass and then going back to Who she described when she said listen three reasons why she loved him the sex I just want to fuse but the one before it was your car. You're so kind. So kind such a healthier kind guys supposed to compete with Rosa, you know what not to eat not to be any any ver and just you're a kind guy George out there. So you might want to take a little one no assigned and to be honest. I I have lost to a lot of roses in my life. Ha ha ha Here's the thing about that. Thanks for the luxury. Here's the thing. Let's let's also remember that that was not Isabel or at least that's what it's being portrayed to us. Because even Isabelle says things like I can be the man that you want. There's someone in possession of Isabelle's body as we saw with other parts of the of the show this time, but I'd love to hear from the chat steps abroad is the chat Lively talking about Isabella Noah Yes, we have some disagreements with you guys. Ivan Soto says Rosa was not a badass. She was just a mess. The queen of Regal Isabelle's power surface. Welcome to the party. I'm Alexa supercouple. I don't know if you guys agree with that. I like Kyle with no, I mean Isabella Noah, I like Isabel know. Yeah, well everyone loves Isabella know in the chat seems like well, that's a good thing because I do feel that Isabel for the first time convince me that she actually loves know before I did think it was part of the cover-up, but now I actually realized that Isabel loves Noah and Noah's willingness to forgive so much shows me that it's lovely loves her too. That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it what? I don't know if I'm sticking to is Kyle and his mom that was an exchange that happen where Kyle gets the letter. His mom's been hiding in this is where just open communication would have solve so many problems mom's been hiding all these papers and Kyle comes in and Mom knew about the affair and then Kyle explains that Rosa wasn't who he that Dad was cheating on mom with but was actually fathered Rosa boom shoe drops more cats out the bag Zuri. Let's get back on this one. I need you. I need your Insight. Where what is Sheriff Valenti thinking when she this whole time? She's thought it was Rosa a girl half his age and then finds out that roses actually his daughter. I feel like we watched her just continue to process it. She didn't look like she didn't seem to start out. We didn't see a dramatic action. It was really a another emotion another scene that was really hard to read. So I really don't know. I don't know what villain but Mom blind. He's thinking I feel like she does have more chicks have purchased her. Sleeve that she's not sharing that I think she has more information. Yes. I don't know. No this seems like every time it seems like every time Kyle bring something up. She's like, oh, yeah, by the way, here's something else. So well, it's just that the same thing that he initially stole from her, right? That's the same the let that he gave to Sergeant main right the copies of so, we don't know if there's more that's all we know right now. I just think she's protecting her son and a lot of ways. She probably didn't want him to know like even if there is Is problems in a marriage do you want the kids knowing about it? And they did mention something about like Valenti wanted to protect his son right the kids come first the that's the most moral. I'm here like this moral code that yes, he stuck to no matter what so as as as a parent she kind of honored at to in a lot of ways and didn't involve the Sun and he kept it between them. You know, they're kind of Secret in a lot of ways may be thinking that Kyle would never discovered at right. I mean, what are the odds of him even finding that out eventually, but he left them a whole cryptic. Like computer with the nickel thick that means he had to go through a lot of obstacles to ever figure it out, but they said welcome costly. He was expecting him potentially Magoo potentially. Yeah, you don't Jim thank you so much for pointing out what they said about protecting children at all costs. Here's what I picked up on the underlying issue here with the relationship between Kyle and his mother is that what I sensed was a sense of resentment towards Kyle from the mom Kyle's a reminder of the Father the father there was a lot of energy there was a lot of issues under the service in their marriage and what I see happening when she brought up the kid line is hey, you know what? I don't want to talk too much about this because you remind me of him and we were in on the best of terms and you are a reflection of my old husband and I resent you because he loved you more than he ever loved me. That's what I was interpreting from that exchange. Yeah. That's I mean, that's a very rare that is Read that's a great read of that situation. Do you think that Kyle should tell his mom what's going on? There is a lack of trust there. There's a lack of trust to happening between the two of them because of what you mentioned her on the lack of communication, which has led to this lack of trust and I don't think that Kyle's comfortable to tell his mother and the position that she's in because they're protecting identities right now, so they could really get to the bottom of it. And if this alien scarce spreads through Valenti, it's not going to be a good look for all remission. What are you gonna do about it? You know, it's like she can't really solve the situation or do much about it besides maybe make it Of a gossip situation, you know talk about or making known but then people might not believe it. It's safe between Kyle and Alex Day understand a day. No words Darude of it's coming from they're putting it together. There's no need to bring in others into this whole thing. I mean we had cam part of it kind of by default because she revealed certain things but they're keeping it close to the vest and that's how they should they really should do that. Like I call them last week there. Was that whole different group, right the ones that were in Texas and having fun. Found a lien. Yeah, there's like this literally a team that's Brewing here. We would like trying to investigate and discover this keep it in-house. I mean, I just don't know would you would you tell Mama villain T? I wouldn't tell my Mobility. I think that she might have after what we know about her ex-husband. She might have some resentment towards this whole alien situation in general. So I think she could possibly like sabotage the whole thing. I mean anyone in their normal right mind would be like wait, they're aliens Nene of figure this out there try to cover it up and it's only because they're good looking and they weren't attractive aliens. Trust me. A bit alternative talk about hash tag. Me too. Yeah, they all can turned in. Let's talk about these love triangles than happen. Right? So we have two separate dichotomous love triangles on one hand. We have Max Liz and Jenna bone on the other hand. We have Michael Maria and means to love triangles. Basically swirling opposite directions. Let's start with the max Liz cam. We saw a lot of interaction here George you began speaking on one of the interactions and the shade that was thrown right? So at the epicenter of Love Triangle one, which is Max we have Max and then we have lasers on one side and we have cam on the other side. And what we're seeing is a decisive Max through his body language to the things he's saying that He has selected Liz. I think that this triangle that we are speaking of is going to lose a leg to the triangle is just to become a linear relationship between Liz and Max now. My instinct watching cam is that she is in fact taking the higher Road. She sees that Liz and Max have something stronger than what they shared and she's just on a mission to get the job so cams over it I think so or at least I think she's not over it but she's used to taste like Derek. I guess this is you. You yeah, which which makes me like her character a lot more. She's she was very mature in her handling because she did bring up like hey, I think Liz held her breath the whole time wasn't exactly she she seemed to help she seemed as if she cared for Liz's well-being or at least understood like I'm I've I'm going to gracefully bow out. Yeah, and and that was almost a research shows a sign of her love for Max but not as a partner as a comrade. Is it friend? Yeah, I mean, I don't know if I would have been asked as forgiving him nicely, you know, babe, you know who he was waiting for you outside whole time. So not remember when we used to and then you were thinking about him. Yeah, he's he's right but it's a scientist. She's over Max. I don't think she's over him. I can't see her being over him. I just think she's over it, but she's not over him because she One cares my boys still available. Now, he doesn't have any connections to any or maybe not good hater investigating together this whole thing. She's part of that inner circle, right? So he never know. I mean that could Brew into something that could be a thing. I could I don't like the way Jim put it. What is it? That's well put yeah. Is there any with the what the love triangle do you think Max's best bet is Liz and why is Liz so up and down? Does she Like Max or not. I honestly don't know what's going on with Liz. I think we saw how last episode of Max laid out all of her flaws and then I accept your flaws. I think that she still maturing around that so hopefully we don't see her on this rollercoaster anymore. But personally, I think a few episodes back on we saw them in the bed together and Max kind of made it clear like this is just a late night Sam. Yeah for me it was over. And I think I think he made it really clear. So I think she does still have underlying feelings for him. But that's when you thought was Oh, I thought it was over when she was like about to give them an Tom or something next thing. You know Liz is where and then he gets out the car and she was like, yeah, I thought that was I mean, he's definitely been consistent that he chooses Liz over Camp every Eagle time so she would be very silly to not see a hundred percent. Let's shift over to Let's shift over shift over to Michael Mains and Maria. Who does Michael like more? Like he likes Maria more but he loves Alex can disagree with that because I feel that Maria is the cam to Michael as is what Max is to Camp. So sort of thing. Maria is to Michael as cam is to Max. Yeah. Okay, I disagree. I think that Maria is much more to Michael than cam is the Mac but cam in Mario's convenient more. Is not convenient. She's not a partner. They have no mutual interest. I think that there is a lust and as George said a like former, he genuinely likes Maria. He just likes her. She's weird. She's out of the box. She's hot. I mean what's not to like likes but there's a whole thing, but he also probably listen he was content with that hook up whatever they had in Texas, right? And he probably if it was up to him. He would continue it. Like I said, he would have his cake and eat it. Right so he would continue that with Maria but get emotionally invested with Alex because he's opening up to him. He's showing his Secrets. He ain't showing that to Maria right? Well, then he's got Maria keeps rejecting him Maria off put some right so it's like Maria is saying especially when she finds out do you think a broke Maria is hard to find out a little hmm. Is there a don't think so. I think it she was more heartbroken because Alex didn't tell her because of their friendship was so close, but it didn't seem Like she cared much about Michaels. I think she was more hurt for a like. Yeah, it's like yeah, I don't want it. Sorry. She was apologizing to him. Right? She was making it clear. How is she dead most meaningful and meaningless to her to her that she if he really loves Michael then, you know, she's going to stay out of it. I thought she was genuine about invented right? She was pretty clear about that. So I feel like for her disconnecting from Michael isn't hard and seeing her friend be happy is more important. Yes. She definitely Was more concerned for Alex what struck me also was hearing Michael when he when he was talking to Isabel. He said welcome to this bisexual alien blast and chooses and it was it's struggling because I didn't hear him refer to himself as bisexual on the show yet. I thought he was gay and then experimenting with Maria, but that made me start to think wow. Maybe there is a little more to the Maria. I think there's a lot more to the Maria thing. I think that's this isn't the end and anyone who has to prove to themselves. I don't think It was specifically proving a Dallas but was more so proving it to herself that this was just a one-time thing. No, not him. I don't know what I was thinking. No, it happened because it was supposed to happen in meant to happen. She wasn't out of her mind. It's something she wanted. She created a justification for it to be casual when it's anything but they've always had an unspoken tension. It's always been there. She she picks on him and vice versa and there's there's a tension there is something it's just it just because of sir. Circumstance, it couldn't go further and now it even seems more Bleak, but I would love to know Steph sobral in the booth is the chat shipping Alex and Michael or Michael and Maria. Well, actually a lot of people don't want to see anyone but Alex Alex is definitely winning if anyone if anyone but they're just saying yo, Michael needs to stay away from everyone all together. Hey, Machine together Michael gone, we learned a lot about Michaels and this episode we heard about a little bit of his past from going from meth heads too drunk to when he said was worse even fundamentalist religious freaks. So there's a lot of pain there a lot of pain and hurt kind of like my boy Jim. What pain I'm good. Yeah. Yeah. That's what that's what Michael said. Here's the thing. I'm not Michael when we're talking about fourth. Alien on the panel. We did think there's a fourth alien. In the in the episode. Yes. Are we seeing that we I finally saw it. I saw it through the shooter. He was take the alien. Although they said he was had epilepsy was having a seizure totally saw the alien kind of almost in a way destruct him after the alien used him to to achieve the agenda, which was to shut down the operation of the research in the sarum. Obviously that lab was targeted but we saw the Alien come out when When he's like, I don't know. I haven't done this before all said it are they always like stop talking. I'm done with you. We saw the alien to me and then we saw the alien again with Isabel when her voice got deeper and she was talking to Rosa and I now have seen the alien in action. I know it exists. Are we putting a face in alien, or is it more of a spirit? I think about a spirit? Well, I have I personally have no clue for the alien is and I didn't consider it being a Sure, but that's a that's like literally the best bet at this point in my point of view because I don't have a face twice at its protect predictions or I go now with I mean, I want to hear what you have to say. But if it's prediction prediction, we're going to wait for prediction. Okay? Well, what do you think? There's definitely a face to what does a manga what is Queen Regal think she says fourth alien Theory the murders were all at Maria bar. Wow, it all lines up. The fourth. Alien is her father who messed up her mom's mind and I had to Maria's powers and her and Michael's connection. Wow, that is a prediction and a half deep. But you convolute it in a way that we haven't even seen that during this is a character among them. It has to be you can't just have such a big reveal of fourth alien to be some unknown. It is someone we've seen from the beginning someone we know really well. I'll save it for predictions. I mean, I think we're going to get 5 billions out of this and that's going to be that good. Yeah. I think there's going to be an alien that distracts us and then an alien we see this alien this alien who's clearly murderous sins into and let's get into the active shooter sends in an active shooter into this hospital. That's a that's a situation. Noah gets shot that you know, I was wondering why Max didn't just use his powers to heal him. Noah clearly knows they're aliens at this point. He's seen the he's seen the Pod he knows what's going on, but that active shooter situation was real and then we realized active shooter both These officers like this doesn't sound like it would be something this guy ever did. Yeah, you know, so it's just we're waiting for that fourth. Alien to come out is Isabel innocent. Yes or no. Yes. Yes. Not quite quite well talk some social commentary. We saw a couple of pieces with the stem cell the stem cell research. We saw the protesting. That's something that really does happen. We also got a shot out for the president. Is he still president? It was only a month as well relax. That's how that's how things work. And then any other tidbits you guys can remember social commentary that you got a little bit. So those are the two that stood out to me. Yeah, I think that's it. And we of course we got Liz speaking Spanish to herself when she got angry and watching Rosati. She did she did let's play. Um, let's play who you let's play who you that seen that stuck out in your mind and reflects you or something about you. We're going to we're going to start this one off. We're going to start this one off with Jim. I was searching and searching and searching with that conversation with Maria the podcast is good great, but conversation with Maria and Michael can relate to that in a sense. You know. Wow, I understand that and I respect that. Yeah, I feel like as I'm getting older I'm just starting to connect a little dots. I think this whole episode of Isabel going back to her past. I don't think anyone brainwashed me to do anything. But I think you know just growing up to be like, oh, yeah. I became this person when I was eight years old and someone pushed me down at my great. That's great, sir. I'm glad you have happy memories because flashback of Isabel and Rosa led me back to time where my first girlfriend left me for a woman. Wow. So that seems are you that's gonna resonate with me. The most is probably going to be the scene with Cam and Max and the Min where cams like you've lied to me for years and then throughout the so does this mean I have Intergalactic STDs just like it just resonated with me the most like that was like cuz I would think like yo, I'm like we keep forgetting just because they're good looking they are still not our species like that's a real thing, you know, so that that is so real. We'd love to hear from you in the chat below. Also leave your comments we do respond and love when Comment for us some very Michael news and gossip. Let's jump right into that. So we have entertainment entertainment ew.com has ran this amazing. Michael llamas were shipping Malik's and they have a great article and interview that they have an interview with our own Michael Guerin and it's just really wonderful. He answers Michael Lamas the actor that plays them answers a lot of of questions including if we're going to get basically we're going to find out more about his upbringing he what more secrets do we have? Can we talk about like what happens with Alex and talking about that shipping of hashtag Malik's is what they're calling it now, huh? Michael and Alex is officially hashtag shipped as Malik's. So now we know that is he is Malik's on they can trust we hear a little more about the the ship. Home and what he needs for that ship and it's a good read. So make sure to check that out. If you can it is on ew.com. It is titled Michael Amazon an upcoming very special Malik's moment on Roswell, New Mexico check that out. Let's jump into predictions. Honestly, we got one of the best predictions from the chat. I'd love to hear more about your predictions but George a prediction difficult to follow the check prediction phenomenal. My prediction is that the fourth alien is a form changing person. So it's a person we may have seen but they have an ability to morph into different people as we Like dude when Isabel was seeing to Rosa I could be the man you need me to be I could be whoever you need me to be and that's going to be identified. I think in the next episode in the little preview where we saw Isabelle standing over Max with a gun and bloodshed. I think that that fourth alien takes over Isabel, unfortunately once again, We're gonna see Maria's mom come back. Now that Maria has had some interaction with Michael. I think she might have some alien energy on her. So I think Mom might be able to give us some more info. Wow, Jim. It's been all around us this whole time who's disappeared and we haven't seen the last couple episodes. Oh Sergeant Mains Sergeant Mains is the main alien hear his desire to get rid of aliens. It's probably a self. Impose sort of thing that him hating being an alien and guess what if you mention a fifth one? Why not his son mob boy Kyle being one and not knowing about it not knowing about it till later finding out. He's actually a son of an alien and he is an alien well V what I was alluding to his test who have kind of gotten glimpses of the name being dropped here and there and was in the original series. I do think that there that's the alien that we're going to it's gonna look like it was test but it's not and Then we find out a little more and I think that the fourth alien is just these small at yeah said yes guys where can people find you if you want to be found. Mr. George Khoury find me at mr. George Khoury Toronto Jim Kenney both spell my last name together. That's KHOU RI Are You Gonna Kiss friends are better than one where can people find you all things at sireesha lease? I will definitely be looking at that one. And then Jim at the gym and I tell it At the gym Alexander sure real talk real calm taken over you I don't know. Maybe I'm the sixth one or maybe it's just me. I am Toronto across the board. That's I am thr aan find me on Facebook Instagram Twitter and of course a slew of other AfterBuzz after shows and we will find you next week same Roswell New Mexico time same Roswell, New Mexico channel right here AfterBuzz after show our founder Keven undergaro and me Maria Menounos would like to thank you for tuning. Again to AfterBuzz TV remember, we're not just the first were the biggest in the world and were the only destination for all your favorite TV shows whatever you crave. We've got it. So go to AfterBuzz tv.com and check out our lineup Buzz. See you later. Hmm use expressed herein are those of the host only you do not necessarily reflect the views of AfterBuzz TV or its owners of principle.

Hosts Tehran Von Ghasri, Jim Alexander, Zuri Chelese, and George Khouri discuss CW Roswell New Mexico Season 1 Episode 10 “Dont Want To Miss A Thing” Afterbuzz After Show as we find out the cats out of the bag as most of the characters know the secrets of the aliens. We get hit by some love triangles, more secrets, and bullets as an active shooter is loose. Find out more. Stay Tuned. ROSWELL'S BACK!!!! We're so excited to have our favorite show back, so join the hosts each week break it down! From the past to the present, we'll bring insight and more to each episode. Join us for character discussions, plot breakdowns, and insider news and gossip! Subscribe and Comment to stay up to date on all things Roswell New Mexico! After a decade away from home, Liz Ortecho returns to her native Roswell to care for her ailing father. When she arrives, she reconnects with her high school crush Max Evans, who is now a police officer. Their chemistry is electric, but Liz soon learns something shocking: Max and his siblings are aliens who have kept their abilities secret their entire lives. As they grow closer, Liz struggles to keep the truth from her best friend Maria, and her high school ex, Dr. Kyle Valenti, but concealing the siblings' true identities is more important than ever, as a long-standing government conspiracy and the politics of fear and hatred threaten their lives.

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Once again episode 5 back at it Dance Moms after show. I am your host Tamara Brown and guess what? I am not alone. Guess who's back back back back back again. That's right. It's me everybody. How many more? Hi everyone? It's been a long time. I know I've been away, but I guess who's back all new season? Very excited to have you back on the panel and I know we've had a couple couple comments feeling some kind of way about me hosting the show by myself on the YouTube channel. So here we go. Oh, yeah, I did. I did notice that. I will I will give you kudos for hosting by yourself. It's not an easy task to host by yourself as almost like you just talking to yourself, you know better so that you like yes, but it's all right. You have somebody to talk to this time here. I am we can get down to it. Alright. Thank you so much. Much for being here and thank you guys so much for being here. We're happy to have you let's talk about overall thoughts. What was which was in general? Did you like this episode Tony? I'm still getting back into the dance mom feel because it's been gone for you know a couple of years now, and so now that it's back for season eight with you know, all new people. It almost feels like a brand-new show to me. So I'm trying to get used to the fact that I don't The Kalani and Nia and Maddie and Mackenzie and Kendall and Chloe and you know and all those girls that I'm used to and of course all their moms. But yeah overall. I mean I'm still enjoying it but it's still it's still new to me. Yeah, how about you? Yeah. I am enjoying. The my favorite part of course is just seen the dances. Of course, we all look forward to the dancing. Yeah, and that's one thing, you know, I think we've both at one time or another Did bring it panels to for that she did and I've always said the thing that dance moms that I like is that they show the whole dance unedited. Yeah, and I always enjoy that because whereas in bring it they chop it up so much that it's just so hard to like actually say what you like about the dance and stuff like that. But I do enjoy seeing seeing the full dances and I like that we're seeing like a range of styles the in every episode. There's like a lyric and Jazz and then either like a crow or something. Yeah pletely different. So I'm enjoying seeing Eyelid and the dances and this one. This is two every single dance in this episode. I think was completely just nailed it. There was no accidents. There was no part where yeah. Yeah, there were there were some people and we'll get into it later that I was a little worried about. I was like wolf. I hope you're able to pull this off but I thought all the dances in this episode were very entertaining and you know conveyed what it was they were trying to convey. Yeah, absolutely. Hmm. So let's go in for Our first topic today, we're going to talk about Abby didn't even do the pyramid. She just went right into announcing that Brady's out of there. Yeah. Well, which I thought was a shocker but to be honest, I understood what she was saying because as a male dancer, I think people are still in awe when a male comes on the stage and they're able to do they're able to you know, get their legs. Got there, they're able to turn it. I mean, it's just overall entertaining for people to see a male and I think also because there's so much more power. Yeah, because yeah, no extra strength. Exactly. And I think that what Abby was trying to convey was the thought that the girls are just kind of like man. I don't have to lift my leg as high. I don't have to make sure my toes are as pointed because they're not paying attention to me anyway, and it's like no they are they're looking at the whole scope. Even if you feel like they're zeroing in on Brady, they're looking at everything. So I think I don't think she should have necessarily said go home. I think she should have pulled him out just to say all right girls like, you know Brady, you're not in the group dance. We're just going to have you do a solo and and then broke everything down like that. She had a point in my opinion as to why she did that. Yeah, I could see that and I do I think it was really interesting how Abby Basically called out Maddie but didn't say her name said in the past. I've been burned by focusing on one student. Who is the best dancer who is my meal ticket who consistently wins? And when I do that, it doesn't do me any favors and she just you know stayed pretty vague about it, which is the sort of you know, the appropriate professional thing to do but a be an appropriate or professional I'm surprised. She didn't just drag Maddie and just Melissa for saying you know, like I gave them a spotlight and made them who they are. And it didn't do me any favors. You know, what was it? I don't think Abby wants any more lawsuits or anything. So I think she is she's playing it very safe and making sure that she doesn't name anyone but alludes to the fact that it's them. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Yeah, I think her cutting Brady. I don't know how I feel about it because I see her point and but I kind of feel like, you know in Seasons past. Where they've had a boy just guessed. Mmm. He's not in every dance. He'll he'll be a part of the group number and won't have any solos or he will do a duet with one of the other dancers, but maybe not be in the group dance. Like I feel like she could do something like that. Maybe just pulled back a little bit not take him out of the equation entirely in through and but I also you know, it's 2019. There are male dancers is not taboo anymore to have that like if you see talent in him and think that He can add something to this group then, you know by all means let them let them dance, you know, he's proven himself and if everyone else has to step up then guess what they got to step up or they need to go home what I tell you one of the things I didn't like and she's kind of rubbing me the wrong way. This is no shade if she's watching but Stacey is the bit of a firecracker like I'm like girl you need to have as I used to say several seats because He's completely trying this Mom. Yes. I'm like, she you are completely trying it and I put according to all the moms. She was the one that wanted Brady gone. Although she's like no I didn't want Brady going like that wasn't my decision. But you know Brady's mom was like, you know, you guys complain about them enough and now Abby's like you're gone, but but then a lot of the moms, you know, spoke up and said listen, that's not what we wanted. We think Brady is amazing. We think he's a he's a great kid and this this sucks. Thanks. But I think Loki Stacy was happy. I think so too. I think so too because every time the moms were like, well, we don't want him to go and then it would cut to Stacy and she'd be like just looking at a Nails not paying attention like yeah, especially after that whole blow up like last week with Liliana being like I don't even know why I came back as like girl. We all know why you came back you trying to be on the TV like, you know, if I had an opportunity to be on Dance Moms, you know, and and Get my Jean there. I would 100% the opportunity. Absolutely. Absolutely if Abby would take me right now in that studio. I would for sure be just no I'm coming with simple feet. Just FYI. Yep dance terms for you guys. Exactly. That's kind of what I said. I guess we can kind of segue into our second topic right now because last week one thing that I said was was giannina has an amazing resume. She's been on Broadway. She has danced and I believe a Mariah Carey me Mariah Carey music video and a couple other music videos. She was in the greatest showman. Yeah, she was on Broadway. She doesn't need this for her. She's already passed, you know, like most girls who dance with Abby are trying to work in the professional World. She's already working in the professional world. So I say I was saying last week that the reason that she's probably on the show is just that exactly what you were saying like name recognition. She wants People to know who she is and it's a part of that name at the plant but it's a platform. Like when you when you get on a successful reality show that's a part of your brand. This is all industry stuff. I've grown up, you know, it's great to have this platform to further put yourself out there because we've seen what it's done for these kids and for Abby and for the moms, you know who have been a part of the show whether they had a great time on it or not. It's opened a lot. Of doors for them and I think that anyone who wants to be a part of the show, it's hoping that there's a door a window a mousetrap a cat dog, you know something event that will just open up the dam duk something that's going to open up for them. Yeah. Absolutely. So, she's Miss Miss. I'm Ecology of because the yeah, they called color Janina. They call her like shit. Yeah, that's her full name that name does not roll off the tongue, but name Gia she's she's just trying to get her life, but she does have a lot to prove because last week she was complaining that well lyrical is more my 14. You gave me a jazz number and 9 and if you're a dancer you need to be versatile. First of all, but Abby said, all right, you need a lyrical to win prove it here is a lyrical so she had to step up to the plate. Yep. So are we want to talk a little bit about giannina versus Hannah? Mmm, um, so again, they they faced off and and both both got solos this week. And so Hannah did her very sassy was like a nod to Gypsy Rose Lee. Yes, and and then giannina got her lyrical dance that she had been wanting. Yes, which was a in memory of her grandmother bezel called Snowflake and she said 10 days after she made her Broadway appearance her grandmother passed away and the day that she passed away it snowed so she feels like whenever it snows she feels like her grandmother is watching over her or you know, letting her know that she's there. Yeah, I gotta say listen. I'm going to sound like a real jerk win this one, but man those tears I was like girl you are an actress because this is there they are. At Pyramid and I think Abby just got those first sentence out of her mouth. This is a nod to your grandma shave a boy touched her it touched her right here right here. It's a sensitive topic for her and just boohoo through the whole. Look. I'm booked. Look. I've you know, I've lost grandparents when I was young too. It is sad it is a sad thing, but I felt There was a lot of milking going on for the cameras. Well, let's hope is not let's hope it's not milking. Let's hope that she really had a great relationship with her grandmother and was very close with her. She did and you know that it was a touching moment, and she she didn't pull a stunt where she was like, you're Abby and I met and I'm her and we're at the pyramid. It's for your grandmother, you know, making sure that you know the cameras on our you mean like so I hope all right. I mean, we all know some people pull some stunts and shows but so so G and universe is Hannah. Which dance did you like better? Um, I like them both for different reasons. I will say I was surprised that Hannah could pull off the sassiness and this is why Hannah is very quiet. Oh my God, why people make me nervous because no because they're like her mom talks more for her. Her than Hannah does but I feel like she's one of those people that even though she's quiet. She shows she talks through movement. So when the when she started performing the number I was like, who's this girl? You know, who is this? Are you? Okay, so you're going to be I see you with your fast and everything like that. So I enjoyed her dance, but of course G is Snowflake Dance was just beautiful, you know. Woman and I think she really felt the emotion behind it. I almost felt like you know, she was about to give like what I used to always say the Maddie face, you know, and like really like Angela and body it that dance absolutely ended with that. Oh the thickness but classic. Yeah. Yeah it was but that's the classic Maddie face. Someone should turn that into a gift. Yeah, but she but Gia had to step up because again, Abby was like you got to be Hannah which good luck Hannah so but yeah, but she she had to prove herself. She said lyrical was her thing. So she had to prove herself. Here's the thing. I think Hannah is she really needs to break out of her shell or she's not going to get as far as she wants to you can be the you can be the top of your game. But the way entertainment works is so much is still you can be Absolutely on top of your game, but so much is still dependent on networking and who wants to work with who your personality your personality for? Sure. So when you just fall into the background, you know God love you like she's a great dancer, but it's Show Business. Yeah, you need to show even off the stage. You have to have a sense of you know, I'm here you have to have a presence when you walk into a room. You don't have to say I'm here. Are but people know that you're here to where they're like, who's that and then you can't be like, oh, that's how oh my God. That sounds very ASMR. It's very ASMR to use those. Yeah, what is that called Ivan? I don't know what the what the letters mean, but I just know that I don't know people like it. I don't know her mom's not doing her any favors by doing so much talking for her. No, I you know because you can't rely on mom all the time, you know you Gotta step it up. I did really love Hannah's dance and I do wish I think something's changed in in production of this shows in prisons previous Seasons where we don't see I was really trying to watch Hannah's face and you really couldn't see she was like kind of the way the the camera was up with the lighting like it was even you know in them Center Stage. She's still kind of had a lot of Shadows. I thought it was hard for me to see if she was doing facial expressions or not. I know what you mean. I The lighting at the competition wasn't great because there are a lot of dark spots like it wasn't well-lit. Yeah, because I could not tell if she was performing like facially like emotionally performing or not. I couldn't tell ya. Yeah because if you backed up too much then there was a shadow and you couldn't see but that I don't think that was the fault of the camera or them per se I think the competition didn't like the Age as it should because it was like that even when they do the Montage of everybody else, you know before they get to them it was very dark and I thought they must have only had like three lights. Yeah that it was lit up just enough for it to see something. Yeah, you know well before we go into our third topic one more thing I wanted to say about giannina is that This this child last last episode. She said the thing you too Abby. Remember, she said she didn't care. What what Abby she didn't care about Abby's opinion. She didn't care about what Abby thought of her. Hmm. And and then she denied that she said it even though we heard her say that on camera. This episode she said it was after the awards and it was after when they were all back in the room. And I think Abby had just like or no, Abby hadn't come in yet and she was sitting at like the makeup station and she said something about like I should have wrote down Verbatim what she said, but it was something like like I it's clear who the better dancer isn't even her mom was like Don't you know don't say that don't censorship even in so it's just like boy this girl when she thinks nobody's listening really really are always mic'd up. Yeah, like it just needs a take a little a little piece of humble pie. Yeah. She she she needs to check herself because that's going to really someone's not going to put up with that and she's gonna get kicked off, you know, kick get cut from a production get cut from the show something like that because Because same thing with we know what we're saying Hannah needs more personality. You need to be pleasant to be around. So if Gia Nina's going to keep throwing out that attitude She's Gotta watch herself. She needs to because not enough people don't like to work with people with attitudes. They'll take someone with less Talent with no attitude than someone with a lot of talent and an attitude. That's why I was hosting the panel by myself for so long. They just couldn't but you do I'm a joy to be around - so far so far so good so far so good. I'm still here still here. Okay, so, oh sure. So a little bit of news everyone after is it so or a little announcement before we get into news and gossip. We want to make sure that to say thank you to you guys. 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Yes. So as far as solos go I got 7th, who what when they start low. I'm like who somebody did not Place very well, but you know her dance wasn't like you said was it was a nod to Gypsy Rose Lee, which I think if you're in entertainment, if you are if you are an actor a dancer any type of performer, you should always be familiar with with these people and Gypsy Rose Lee was was a burlesque dancer who had a very very controlling stage mom. And I thought that she did Hannah did a great job with her solo. I thought she looked great and I was again very shocked at how she just fell right into a right from that Peak into the curtain and then she gave that little leg and she gave that shoulder and went to I was like, okay girl you are hitting it but she plays seventh was I was kind of surprised about I couldn't believe it either. I mean, I thought she did a great job and there's there's been dances in the past where somebody's gotten second or first that I I didn't think was as good a dancer as right and as dance was to this sassy number. So it was it was impressive and I could not believe she got seventh. I wonder what the real I wonder what the story was on. I feel like we're going to find out more info maybe about the scoring next week. Yeah. Yeah, so well, they did tease. So Brady got second Brady got second, which let's see. Here's the thing. So Brady did swan song which was kind of like a Black Swan and I I thought he was great. I thought his movements were great. I just needed him to really hit it and be strong in like really just like like be a little like a little more stronger and in the dance and a little more like ha, you know what I mean, like there it seemed to miss that he was doing great with the movement but there are just certain things that need to be like hit harder and hit stronger, you know to make more of an impact. Did you think he messed up at one point it? It looked like he went into a pawn Shea and then fell and put his hand down and hit and then it cut to his mom going. Oh, she said like oh goodness and then and then but they I was like, oh he messed up but then they didn't mention it at all. Um, there was a I think maybe it was his dance where I did feel like he got like a little lost or something like something happened. I'm not sure if he messed up or if he was just kind of like where am I got it, you know what I mean, but maybe because I Maybe he messed up and then for whatever reason The Narrative of the show, they chose not to say that maybe that was the reason that he got second but I don't care who you know, who well Abby will go over the rest of it and then we'll go back to the tee with what Abby thought. Okay, so and then first place Jeannie and I got first without lyrical dance. That was beautiful. I thought the whole snowflake thing was beautiful. I almost just kind of wish that there was a way to have like some Snowfall or she can you know and do yeah, you know some something. Yeah, you know, I don't know what that was. But you know, whatever. Did you like the group number? I did? Oh, the group number was amazing. Yeah, they all do Fleet a stall at the same time. They were just completely in sync for the fighters, which is incredibly hard and it was a tribute to Queen the the band Queen if you guys are not familiar with Bohemian Rhapsody the movie that just came out and Freddie Mercury again. No, you're just They called it King of Queens and Brady was was portraying Freddie Mercury again. Great job. I just I just wanted a little more because in the episode, I think this was a Michelle the mom Michelle was saying that you know, Freddie Mercury was this, you know outgoing, you know, flamboyant like Entertainer and she was like, I don't think Brady can deliver at Which was shade on Michelle's part, but but I but I looked at the dance and I was like, you know what this is. This is one of those character things where you have to embody this character like you you can't be Brady in this moment. You have to be Freddie Mercury right now. And so, you know if there's a kick you have to like how would friend Mercury kicking do like, you know and embellish of of that to be in character. Yeah. I mean, so I think just in that aspect just a little more from him would have been Great, but I think I think as a unit they danced really well together. I thought it was beautiful. But yeah, I can see what you're saying. Maybe maybe yeah, so the group number got first. Yes. I think it should have yeah. So yeah, we're did you do we want to talk about what Abby's reaction? So the tea was Gianna and Abby were in the back talking with one of the the EPS about Out the scoring and felt like yes, Gia did great. However, you know, there's no way that she could have be Brady because that the dance was phenomenal when there and she's talking about the solos. So Abby decided to do a little investigating and she the kids are talking and she whizzes by which I side note. I am loving Abby and her chair because there are shots of her that just give me life when she yes when she's reclined in the in the studio just kind of like this and just like looking at the dance like still shout it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, like she's just kind of she's just kind of here just kind of relaxing or when she whizzed by them. Like don't pay attention to me don't mind. She just or like when she went To the when she was going to the pyramid and she was talking and did not like she was done. She just went and I was like, I think it sucks that she's in the chair. But I love the chair. Yeah, she's definitely embracing the chair and loving it. But she did some investigating and wanted to know more information about the male judge because she felt like there might have been some jealousy which made Made him score Brady lower which that was some of the the the T that was going on before Abby came back into the room was that GF felt like oh Abby's going to try to take my win away from me and give it to to Brady and you know, Abby felt like, you know, oh, maybe the the there was jealousy and that he scored Brady lower and then found out. Oh, he's from Miami. Mmm, so he must be familiar. You're with you but in the in the t's for next for next week, we find out that he actually scored him the highest so boom on that. Yeah, but that was all that rigmarole that happened all that rigor. Mortis. Yeah. Yeah. Well those things happen and we've seen Abby and the past she went to bat for Maddie for things like that when Maddie would get second for something and she'd storm up there and be like, wait a minute. Let me see those scores. So that's nothing new for Abby. No. No, not at all. Same same Antics. Yeah same stuff. Okay, so maybe now's the time to move into news and gossip. Yay. Well first off if you guys haven't been following the previous cast. I don't know if you guys know or not but miss Nia Sioux was on The Bold and the Beautiful and unfortunately. Recently her character got killed also they've killed off her character. So Nia's run on Bold and the Beautiful has ended but congratulations to her for a phenomenal job in a phenomenal run and insults. Sometimes you never know. They can always bring you back as a twin as a ghost as a completely different character. That's true. No, because you know soap operas, right? I dunno soap operas because I cover one every Sunday called dition days four days of our lives. If so, I know no thing. I'm sure about those folks. I wonder how her character died car crash so she got ran off the road and then the car went over a cliff and then they showed her like with with stuff going this what I was told stuff going through her to really show that she was dead. Yeah. Yeah, but apparently she have found out some her character found out something that she wants supposed to find out so she has She had to get there it is. Yeah, but you also had great news about Nia and what she was doing with her social media. So I follow me on Instagram and I really love me has photos. She's been hashtagging body positive and she's been posting all of these really beautiful shots of she you know, she's usually in a swimsuit and just either dancing or posing but she's very into the body body positivity and she posted a great shot of on the Santa Monica Pier doing like a like a leap and it was it was beautiful. I think it was done by that the the same photographer. I don't know his name, but he always has her like in this in the street. Like she'll go one two, three go and she'll do like a back bend or a leap or something and it's always a beautiful shot that he gets of her. Like, I think there was one in New York and it was like the city of New York and it was just her right there in the middle. Just like bam and I was like, you better work me up good for her. Yeah, but also another thing that I saw was Kalani have posted that she was going to just start showing more of herself her true self so that there's no misinterpretation on on social media through like a picture or anything like that. Just she just wanted to feel more connected with the people that follow her and show like a really true on inside of her and in case you didn't know how she is Already, she has a YouTube channel. So make sure you go check that out. But I like that these girls are using their platform to show other girls how to not let barriers getting your way and that you know, if you feel like you're too thick to be a dancer or you've been told no or something like that that you can pressure here and move forward so ugly. Yeah, and I think Briana in the booth has some more news for us. Yes, we found a couple things to yesterday apparently. A be posted a shot on her Instagram which is now been deleted but it was I guess a shot of photo of herself wiping a tear from her eyes and people were just kind of like freaking out like what happened who died are you? Okay, it's a cancer back like people really were concerned and it turns out she was just posting it for some celebrities who have died in 2019. She just wanted to pay tribute but because of the feedback that it got I think that she took the photo down so that people people would not be as concerned with her well-being. Yeah. And so then another thing that I found is that apparently we're going to get this new dancer on Dance Moms. It's a 12 year old from Jacksonville. And her name is Paris more. I have a couple photos of no relation. Yes, no relation or Tony. I'm well, I think so. We might need to do at ancestry.com to find out but this is a pictures of her son. It says that she's gonna have some episodes coming up in 2018. So just maybe This is the Brody replacement that will be getting coming up but she's gorgeous and you know not to play the race car, but I'm glad to see an African-American female on the something fully white team right now right now. Yeah, and I was just like I need a I need a dash of color, please. I mean especially especially now when every more shows are diversifying but yes, but Dance Moms is getting less less diverse, but I'm Glad Miss Paris is going to join. She looks like she's a fierce dancer. She's probably gonna gonna bring it when she comes also. I think one of 12 would make her what she'd be one of the younger ones because I think the girls are mostly like 14 but lilies. At least 10 no 11. There's one thing about this show. I never knew that AJ's it's always so hard to tell and and one other quick piece and speaking of Ages. So JoJo Cielo is going to she's starting a new tour and she's got tour dates on her website and when she posed clips of like her her like clips from her live shows. It's so funny to me because JoJo's 16, but, you know a lot of times in these dance shows we talked about Like these girls may be like Hannah the mom was saying like no tassels, you know, these girls are sexualized very early, but I love that JoJo is 16 in her heard live show is completely bubblegum pop. Like there's nothing scandalous nothing sexy about it. Well, that's that's very her brand and I think also she's been very influenced by Elton John and the movie Rocket Man and I think that has added even more glitter to her show and it was also choreographed by richy Jackson who is Lady Gaga's choreographer and has also was also one of the judges on Abby's Ultimate Dance Competition. So they've you know kept their relationship. And so I think you add all that in and a - A Nickelodeon like you're just going to get a very fun show and Either she's just stuck true to who she is and her brand. Yeah, you know, so yeah. Yeah, if you haven't if you haven't make sure you go check out her show. I think she just added new dates to her show and it's been doing very well. So shout out to Jojo. Yeah. Should we do some predictions? Sure your AfterBuzz TV prediction. I have not done a recap. So like this in so long that like when you say predictions I was like, oh, yeah, we did used to do that. Come on, Tony. I know it's like it's like a Time Warp right now. I'm going back in time to like the times of Dan's mom. Yeah, I mean, I think it's a Time Warp for everybody since it's been so long since we've I know the show and I are o g girls are getting so much older now. Yes, let's see predictions based on what I saw. I feel like Brady is not going to be gone that long. I feel like, you know, it's going to be an episode or two and and he'll be back. I think that the drama is definitely going to ensue because of the Nancy Drew in is of a be trying to figure out why Brady got a second. So yeah, that's my opinion. She's going in his huge. He's gonna detective do some detective work. Yeah. Yeah, I think that at some point. I don't know if it's going to be the next episode or by the end of the season, but I think Sarah and Savannah are definitely gone because We don't know these girls. We don't see them. We don't see them dance. We don't see anything personal about them. I don't know who they are. I don't know if I like them or dislike them. Like they're keeping us. So unattached to these two girls. It's like they're going to be gone for sure because sometimes flying low on the radar kind of helps sometimes until until you get called out and then when you get called out, you got to show up. So yeah because I would say Neil was kind of like that and he was kind of a quiet girl and she did what she was supposed to do and everything like that. And it worked for her. Hmm. So but especially since I don't know we're anticipating Some Cuts. That's I'm so that's still my guest. Listen to me. Everyone's replaceable. So who knows who's gonna get cut and what else was I going to say? Yeah, so oh but the brunette mom, I don't remember her name. It's Savannah's mom boy. She gets on my last nerve. I'm sure Savannah is great, but I wouldn't mind at all if At mom if that Mom went the I just I just would like Stacy to not have such a chip on her shoulder. Like I know that she's been through the wringer with with Abby and everything like that. But you know, she made it through and two other girls who were on the show lat, you know last season did not make it this season. So, you know, either you want to be there or not. If you don't want to be there then give that spot up for someone else who wants to be happy, you know, stop stop all this bickering and stop all this going back and forth and Michelle. I'm watching her because she is she got the spoon and she kind of stirs the pot a little bit. She's one of those moms that come up and go. Well, you know, I heard that Stacy said that she didn't like your child. I mean, I'm not trying to start anything anytime. Someone says I'm not trying to start anything. They trying to start some kids. Are they doing this this just stirring that pot? Hmm completely innocent. Hmm. Oh, alright you guys I think we're going to wrap it up there. Hey Tony working. Now. Where can they find you? 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That's awesome. And the behavior principles are worked in perfectly. You cannot beat the real life application. I can feel like I'm being productive in my preparing for my exam while driving to and from work smiling and laughing the entire time. This podcast is definitely increasing the future frequency. My studying behavior that is positive reinforcement you guys. Thank you Leah and Casey for masking or making Behavior Analysis so fun and relatable to those outside of our field. Love love it. Thank you so much BCA to be you are going to be a bcba, especially if you're in our Collective. You're definitely going to be a PCP a. All right, so I will do a quick little break down on this is we're doing a podcast by myself soon enough. We're going to have the best guess in the world and it's gonna be fine, but I was in the shower this morning and I was thinking about the fact that when we first started this podcast we had like my sister leotta sister my best friend. And like these layouts bcba supervisor, we were you know, trying to build this topic. So it wasn't so pigeon-holed into one, you know, the autistic field which we love so much but trying to expand that and show how behavior analysis is relatable in every single thing we do but we are guess we're just you know, you know, we're building it from the ground up. So we just had family and friends and then To have the guest we have on today who I will tell you a little back story a year ago. I listened to a podcast on sr+. Plugging them. They're great podcast. Dr. Aaron blocker Rubin had on this guest. I remember listening to her and I was like immediately. I needed to be her best friend. I needed to see her. I needed to meet her and figure out how she started her business because that's what I wanted to do. So I heard that she was speaking. NG at a business Builder conference in Georgia, I convinced understand RBT at this point not just our bu you guys are in the friggin Lifeline. Okay. Not just I wasn't RBT at this point, but I convinced my work to send me out to Georgia because I was gonna be this business Builder and I had to see her anyways, I'll go into that story a little bit later in the episode. But the point is I can't even believe I get to interview this guest. So without further Ado. I'm going to talk a little bit about her before we introduce her. I want to build. Apple for play for you guys, but as newly minted be cba's for Leah in us we're so excited to have the opportunity to introduce an interview today's guest. She is a force to be reckoned with in the field. She has over 20 years experience and her a compliment accomplishments will blow you away. She has a master's degree in special education from San Francisco Skatin State University while she was in the special ed program. She was convinced or told to take a intro to behavior analysis class and from then on. On as she says it was game over I feel you on that. She became a bcba in 2004 the same year. She founded Ste Consultants, which she grew like crazy over the past 15 years. She is the past president of Cal Abba and she serves on the board of directors as vice president of caaspp the Council of autism service providers if I'm wrong with anything, she'll correct me when she comes on don't worry. She is dedicated to the field and making a difference in the lives of everyone. She meets her personality is huge and she Is unapologetically herself, which is why I love her. She has the best sneaker collection ever and you can usually catch her presenting at conferences while rocking her high tops. Her goal is to be the Oprah of a ba in terms of disseminating the science and connecting people in the field. She will be the first one to tell you that this board exam does not define you she is a badass motivational Rockstar bcba and Mom to two of the hippest kids I've ever seen she fights for what she believes in and is a Pioneer for all Of your analyst she has presented at over 30 conferences. Holy shit her ability to talk and speak. So eloquently amazes me. She is presenting at text Ava on October 11th 11th, and it's going to be off the hook Leo and I are both going to be there. There's a link in our show notes. You should go sign up. You should get there. It will change your life. So without further Ado I welcome you Sarah trotman. Welcome girl. Oh my God. That's a really big buildup. I mean, I feel like I have to deliver, you know what I mean? You have to happen in life and we're rolling with it because guess what? We're not letting you down for the Monday talk especially this episode because this is gonna be amazing. Oh, yeah, we are women that deliver. We are women that deliver the way men. First off we had a chance to talk with Sarah a little bit. She has an amazing backstory her hustle her motivation her dedication everything about her inspires me and I want you guys to feel this level of energy today where you're like, I'm gonna go crush the world and do anything I can do because guess what you can but there are so many things that we're going to learn from Sarah today. So first, I just want you if you don't mind tell us a little bit about you and what makes you think The badass behavior analyst you've become because we can sit here all day and fangirl over you I could literally do that forever, but tell us about you just you know, bring us back and tell us where you started how your crew. Yes. This is I will love I will start at the beginning. So I was this, you know curly-haired girl that grew up in Seattle. I was in high school during the age of the grunge era. So I thought I was tragically hip. I had my Doc Martin and my Birkenstocks and I tried to get a tattoo before I was 18 and it was a disaster and I really didn't want to know what I want to do for college. So I basically went to the school that gave me the most Funny I thought that that was a good it was a good choice. So I went to Gonzaga University for undergrad which is in the Charming town of Spokane Washington and by Charming. I mean, it's a terrible place to live but it is a wonderful tremendous University. And as one of the you know, the students that had to work her way through school. So I wasn't saddled with student loan debt. I got a job in the works that he department or I work study job in the special ed department at Gonzaga. And all of these special professors were all these things called behavior and with which I had absolutely no idea what that meant. They had most of them had gone to the University of Kansas together which again I was like not understanding the significance of that University's role in our field and they basically harangues me until I acquiesced and said I would take an intro to behavior analysis class because I thought of course that I would become an attorney and make lots of money and live a fantastic life. Well turns out I had no idea what I was thinking and talking about because when I started taking the interest of behavior analysis class with Randy Williams and this is in the fall of 1996 my life change I was exposed to this science and understanding of how we behave that made so much sense to me and to think that our Behavior can be changed based on changing stimuli and our environment and that it Operant conditioning is a thing and understanding how it works just really blew my mind. But also what I really love is the way that my professors taught. They taught us to fluency. They really wanted us to master concept and it made me feel like I was home and so I decided to major in special education and I was the first person out of Gonzaga University that instead of graduating with a teaching credential graduated with an emphasis in functional assessment. And now I've never heard of that. I've never heard of the emphasis emphasis in functional assessment. Yeah, it was really weird. But here are some very strategic things that happened to me that really have helped my journey along the way one Stephanie Peterson who's now the chair of the psychology department at Western Michigan University and an amazing behavior analyst in her own right? I was one of her first advising out of her PhD program, so I got to work with her for a year and undergrad and when I left Gonzaga or Suddenly, I actually graduated this is an important thing to note. I did graduate. I was recruited to teach at a school in the Bay Area for kids with severe developmental disabilities severe behavior disorders and my boss. And the reason that I took that job with Tyra sellers who is now the director of ethics of the bacb and at that time Thomas higbee who is a fantastic professor and researcher at Utah State University now was the head clinician that Spectrum so I have been while in somewhat of a more non-traditional route with some of my education because my Master's Degree isn't in Behavior Analysis. I've been the beneficiary of working with some pretty amazing mentors and clinicians along the way and so I took this job at Spectrum Center I taught for a year then I parlayed it into a consulting job where I got to work with Public Schools all throughout the Bay Area for which I was totally and utterly unqualified, but I talked my way into it. And then I did my Master's Degree. I was able to sit for the the board exam and I think I told you to say it was so funny. I did this is like some old school stuff because I was born a certified for 15 years. I sat in this auditorium at UC Berkeley where they sat one of us in the chair and the space what event in a chair into space and I did my be CPA exam using a Scantron form and that like the SAT when you would color and dots. Oh first. Yes, I know this is Like this is very challenging probably for a lot of your young audience members to try to conceptualize and I remember taking the test and I went home and I fell asleep for three hours and I was certain that I had in fact failed and also this is now at the beginning of the internet given - is 2004. So your test results were mailed to you. So there was no portal at that time. There was a bacb portal and so I received this little envelope make it like 6 or 7 weeks later with my certificate stating that I had in fact. Pass the exam and that was really the beginning of it all and I started Ste Consultants the same year. I became a board certified behavior analyst I've had the opportunity to work with some of the best clinicians. I know to help grow my business into work on a lot of different business verticals, whether it's early intervention, whether it's working with adults and teens working in schools working in community settings working at home and I did that for 15 years until I was successfully To sell and exit by businesses past June. So this journey of from from 1996 until 2019 has been I believe one of the best gifts of my life and I made it a priority for me and I knew that I was going to sell my business and do something else that I wanted to spend the remainder of my career supporting this growing field, especially supporting Behavior analysts that are new to the practice and welcoming everybody with open arms and really trying to produce quality events trying to speak at Great conferences attends be on podcast disseminate on social media to really help provide mentorship leadership and clinical skills to this young group of people that are charged with Distributing this amazing science that changes lives. And so that's why I'm here Sarah. That is exactly I have goose bumps all over my body. I just want to run out and disseminate ABA and learn everything. I can and you guys this is what I'm talking about. I listened to her podcast a year ago when I hadn't even taken my board exam. Okay, and I wanted to go out and see her so bad. I had to go learn how to become a business Builder and I will say and I know we're going to get into this later in the episode but it is not easy to start your own business. I know people that pass our exam or like I'm going to work for myself and go out and start a business. After going to that conference, I just want you to know Sarah I learned so much. I was educated and I needed a lot more experience to be a safe disseminator in provider of ABA. I could not just go do it right away. And that was a big Awakening for me as a person who is so motivated and wants to change the world like tomorrow and is you know us always 15 steps ahead and you know, I can do everything. I'm a control freak, but no I had to really Look at the fact that I needed to get the experience because what you mentioned what you were talking about is the mentors that you had. I mean Tyra Sellers and Tom Tom higbee. Those are big people and I unfortunately in New Hampshire where I live, I've got some people around here, but I need that mentorship that I'm looking for which is where my next step is is connecting with a bunch of people in the field and growing my actual knowledge of ABA and applying it I bet Ten years of Applied setting with adults. I need a lot more with children. I know I know my areas of what I need, but when I you know, we have this opportunity to have you on here. I'm like we are going to get to tell all the newly be cba's, you know what exactly it takes this, you know, Sarah started in 2004 you guys and started her own business. She will go into a little bit more about that now, but I'm telling you that the most important thing supervision. Okay, you need good supervision, right Sarah. Absolutely. And also I think something that people need to keep in mind is when people are engaged in graduate work and graduate Behavior analytic coursework. You know, your this is great foundational skills and terms of your clinical knowledge, but you're not necessarily being exposed to two other really strong skill sets that you're going to need in order to Be an Effective clinician and those are operational expertise and effective leadership. They are not necessarily discreet. He taught in graduate programs because that's that's not the thrust of the graduate program. The graduate program is to make sure that you have the foundational knowledge and the technical application of our science to be able to be effective. But in order to be a practitioner in order to supervise staff in order to work with tons of different types of families in order to have cultural competencies in order to build rapport with your clients and your staff. There's a lot of up to skill sets you need and so that's where Lee I'm really glad that you stated that you came away from. The business boot camp that we get in Atlanta last December just realizing like, oh my gosh. I am entrepreneurial. I do think there's so many things I can do and I agree with you you are and you can but there's no shortcut to understanding from a more holistic perspective. What are the skills that I need to be able to have in my repertoire the really be able to own a business and execute a business in a sustainable way in a way that focuses relentlessly on clinical quality. Tea and really to be able to feel like you can do it with some good skills. So you can operate with sustainability and confidence in and that's what I want to talk a lot about and I in no way shape reform would ever be dismissive about anyone that's interested in wanting to start a business because I did and I started it out of my kitchen in East Oakland and I kind of slowly and systematically built it up and I made horrendous errors, but I was operating in a very different environment where there Probably a little more room for forgiveness or I wasn't drawing down Healthcare dollars and because my perspective the biggest change that's happened in our discipline over the last 10 years. And so this is just a different environment that requires different skill sets and I just want to make sure that people understand what those are and also to one of your earlier point the idea that obtaining ongoing supervision and mentorship is just a critical piece of developing as a professional in the great thing about our World now is we're all connected. And so even though you are in New Hampshire, maybe might be more challenging campaign that in-person mentorship and supervision. But now there's so many different Outlets were really you can access anyone and what I'm more interested in is really kind of pointing people in the right direction of what does it mean to have appropriate supervision. How do you obtain those mentorship to experiences? How do you find people that you might want to be working with and that's really been the thrust of the work that I've been doing for the last, you know, three or four months since the Exodus. And that's what I love so much about I saw your video on Facebook about and we can yeah, we're jumping everywhere but the behavior analysts Leadership Council tackle. Yes. Yeah, but you're now, you know Consulting with and yeah making that leadership for the newly minted be cda's the you know, the are BTS and creating that you know again, maybe it's not in New Hampshire right here in person, but maybe it's, you know online. I see these people in the field for 30 years. Azure you 20 years of experience and I just want to soak that up like a sponge and have all that information. I will tell you I just left my or I'm leaving my job on the on the 9th of October because and it's one of the big things is that I got thrown into a clinical director position as a newly minted minted bcba and I felt very overwhelmed no supervision and I realized I had to be the one the money was Eight like of course, but sure I was realizing ethically my scope. You know, Matthew Brodhead says that the best there's a difference for school are not the same. So yes, my scope of practice is a bcba. Yeah, I could be able to do all those things but have I actually come into contact with that contingency and actually been trained in XY & Z No, I have not yet. I have not had that experience and I had to be the one to say. I need to take a step back. I you this role is for someone with maybe you know, I'm not going to put a number but say 10 to 20 years experience. I don't know leading people doing X Y and Z and the skills and this is a big thing for me to admit is that I wasn't there yet. I was put into a position that I was not ready for an I could have just stayed in it and it had imposter syndrome forever and you know made money, but I did not I could not ethically do that. And so that was my first ethical. Dilemma situation in the field and I think I handled it very well. Yeah, because I think something is of critical importance for behavior analyst to understand if you look at the professional and ethical compliance code the first section is about the responsible conduct of behavior analysts infection 1.0 to talk specifically about your boundaries of competent and it says two things the first is that we will provide services teach and conduct research only within the boundaries of our competence. Defined as being commensurate with our education training and supervised the experience. The second is that we provide services teach or conduct research in areas only after we have first undertook appropriate study training supervision and or consultation from people who are competent in those areas and obviously within those definitions and you know, it's like the devil's in the details, right? Well, how do you define, you know appropriate training? How do you define appropriate supervised experience? And so that's where? You have people like Matt fraud has out of Michigan State David Cox on Quigley really pushing this issue. You see a lot of I don't know if you've ever had a chance to listen to Justin. Let me speak before from I went to his house and he's a really close friend of mine. I'm Already There the kit is a floor of Competency. Not the feeling. It's just before it disappears the certificate functions as a validation that you know certain things that doesn't mean that you're complicated doing them. It's just think that you know, that that you've met the minimum standard. It's a minimum standard and it is that a minimum standard for someone like me that's been certified for 50 years that we have seen the bacb put tremendous. us effort in continually evolving, you know changing to make it, you know as comprehensive as possible to really enjoy that people that are a qualified to sit for this exam, you know have done all of the work that they're supposed to be doing that were always iterating in terms of the the different types of competencies that people need to display but it still again just a minimum standard and that's how certifications work and so looking at the section 1.03 of the Analyst professional and ethical compliance code the whole idea is that you're going to maintain competence through professional development. And that's where I think a lot of this conversation is going is again, you you obtain your you know, your four letters behind your name your super stoked about it if you reside in a state where there's licensure you also might get to put LBA after your letters and so now, you know, you're feeling amazing and you should feel amazing because that's a great accomplishment. But girl, it's just the start. It's Just the start and so I think really giving some guidance in terms of like, okay. Now, what is the most important thing for new behavior analyst to think about and really being able to go to reputable sources for the now what is something that's important that I think it's really great that you and liat are doing this podcast to really try to help provide guidance and help because people are stressed out, you know, it's a behavior analyst job market right now and do your earlier Point Casey you said hey I was The Clinical Director position they're paying me great money. That's awesome. I am not prepared to be able to engage in all these activities that are needed in order for me to successfully execute this job and I see that a lot and I live in California. And this is you know, I call California Ground Zero have the highest concentration of behavior analyst in the world. We account for 30% of all dcda jobs man data in the country and that's based on burning glass data that the DAC be has provided me is to really really Fascinating and so we see often is that you know different agencies will maybe you know telling behavior analyst like oh I'll pay you another $5,000 on another $10,000 because of more than from another agency because that bcba credential has become synonymous with being able to bill the highest rate through Behavioral Health Care in our country. And now of course, we have all 50 states have passed some form of autism Insurance mandates. And so this is created. I think this environment where there are You know kind of competing conditions these people to make employment choices, but one really really great resource, and I don't know if you keep you have experience with this article David Cox who actually used to work for me and now he's doing his postdoc at Johns Hopkins wrote a great article or he was a lead author an article about how do you choose an ethical place to work? Like what are indices of a place that you think would be a great place that's going to provide you with appropriate supervision. That's really going to help you enhance your clinical skills, and I would really encourage people. People that are listening to this podcast to read that. It's a you know, thought oh my God, okay. In August and I was like bro. This is amazing. It's really cool. Great. We need to disseminate this much much more and I think the ongoing thing in the field I'm you know talking with Ryan O'Donnell talking with them Ryan saying from sitecore and you and just the dissemination of our field in general especially to the newer be cvas and sharing, you know experience but also like I think the most important thing is, okay. You're a bcba. You just became when you have those letters like you were saying but the most important thing is that you are providing quality and unethical care to your clients. Okay? Yes. So so if you don't know how to conduct a VB map, if you don't know how to do a functional assessment because in your coursework you may have touched on it, but you may not know and in your supervision you may or may not have gotten good supervision enough to do that. You need to be honest and upfront to your clients you It to them. This is my soapbox. Okay. Yeah, I owe it to them to say to your employer to say I need a little bit of help in this before. I feel comfortable taking this on and I'm saying this just in my own world is that if you don't and if you just go through life and go through your field and go through your career just practicing outside of your scope of Competency. It's going to come back and bite you in the ass. I need you to listen up as this this is my soapbox. I told you but I'm serious. Yes, it's very important to go out. So what I do and what I found myself doing as a newbie CBA is first accepting my you know areas that I may not be fully competent in honoring the areas that I do feel comfortable in I know and Sarah mentioned this a lot is soft skills are very very important. They are not taught in, you know, your bcba program and know having those soft skills being able to connect with families connect with clients, you know, take your bcba hat off for a second. And be able to you know connect with people is really really important and not being so I'm just bcba and these are my terms and you don't practice within my guidelines blah blah blah, but soft skills are really really important to have and all that. Wasn't the pass this exam and so a lot of people tend to be very protocol driven with the clinical treatment that they choose to recommend for the populations that they work with and so the it breeds kind of this rigidity and I think it's not from a bad place. It's from a place of not wanting to screw up. I mean Behavior analysts are the most will govern people I know because they don't want to make us the steak. But let me tell you just now that you can't you can't establish a positive therapeutic. Ship and an article that I will reference that. I am obsessed with forever for the rest of my life. Is this article by Bridget Taylor Linda LeBlanc and was an octagon Compassionate Care and the whole idea of establishing a positive therapeutic relationship. You're going to have people that are going to be less likely to engage in Behavior analytic and interventions. And so what I'm trying to say in a very Salient way is if you're an asshole people won't want to work with you which means that people that really Really need to give her analytic services to help change their lives are not going to get them. So don't do that. So you need to lash Tague pair with your stakeholders pair with your clients. That is first and foremost, you need to go out and be like I am, you know, say you're going to a school. You know, that's a choreo has an amazing podcast. I listened to he did one on his own. It was like No gasps just like top 11 reasons of like how to not be an asshole basically going in Tuscaloosa. He was awesome. He's great. It was really talking about, you know, you're going into a school. You're going into a home you they the parents and the teachers that have been with this student or child. They know more about their client than you. Do. You cannot go in there and say well as a behavior analyst I'm going to change X y&z, you need to go in there with an open mind and say I am, you know, I am here to take lead from you. I want to see you tell me what you need. You tell me what is happening. I'm not going to come in here and be the magician right? I am just a clinician and I am here to help you and support you and going in I've noticed going in for me. I thank God I have I'm a really good, you know people person. I think people like me. I like I come off, you know parents and families really love me and love my support and and again, I may not know everything that is behavior analytic with all the stuff in this and that and no one knows. Everything no one knows everything. the amount of expertise and understanding of Concepts and being able to practice those Concepts and I think what is lacking for a lot of behavior analysts is being able to be given, you know quality supervision using a behavior skills training model so they can really practice those competencies have feedback on it and then demonstrate them again and one of the reasons, I believe that the clinicians in my practice at Ste were so successful is that we were obsessed obsessed with being in through revision and always working on iterating our training and supervision models make it better and more systematic and more fun in that cost a lot of money in my business and where I see people really cutting corners and behavior analysis and I don't care if you're a non-profit or for-profit. I think a lot of people draw these arbitrary lines that have your nonprofit. That means you're good. If your for-profit that means you're bad that doesn't exist. There's crappy people everywhere and there's awesome people everywhere. But where I think it will cut corners and behavior analytic organizations is not providing enough ongoing training support supervision and professional development and that to me is the worst thing that you can do in your business. You have to run a business model where you prioritize ongoing training because that means that you're prioritizing clinical outcomes and clinical excellence and we are nothing if we are not obsessed with what we're doing in terms of our outcomes and what's happening to them. Recipients of our service. We are Human Service profession. What's the one thing that we want to the number? One thing that we want to do when behavior analysis is focused on behaviors of social significance and we can never lose sight of that ever agreed and I think that my one thing I've learned is and I've seen it in a ton of companies. I've heard it from a ton of my cohorts for my Master's program is the lack of supervision, especially that you become a PCB and you're like boom go take a case load. You're done. Please handle all these very high needs cases and you can maybe check in with us, but probably not because we're busy and here you go. And that's what I'm really good at address that the hold the printhead quickly and Hawks article again is really drilling down pre you know job acceptance during the interview process when you're looking into work in an organization, like what the heck are you guys doing for professional development and they even have a table in their article. That's really Specific you need to be asking questions about how will this organization support my access to behavior analytic literature. How does this organization support development through continuing access to professional conferences. What are the systems in place to help employees engage in ethical behavior? All of them. There's that they really system systematized this which I think is is fantastic and I dig a lot of new Behavior analysts don't know that these are things they should be attending to and instead what they are attending to is. Oh agis, the a is offering me 10,000 more dollars. Person agency being and I'm telling you right now. It's not about the money and if you do a really kick butt job and you're an amazing behavior analyst you will earn money. Don't worry about it. This is a growing profession and the supply and demand curve and especially the demand for our services isn't going away anytime soon. But what will happen is if we have crappy Clinical Services and cried to clinicians. We will lose our ability to access payer dollars from either commercial funding or Medicaid funding or school district and for our services become ineffective because we're doing a real crappy job with implementation that will absolutely happen. So I see it and I feel like you're describing. I'm like over here like shaking my head nodding my head like that is it is and you know what I actually so I've been very hesitant and scared about leaving my job in finding New one and you know all these things and I'm just actually sitting here kind of being like I'm going to actually cut myself on the fucking back because I'm choosing to not take the money. The money is not worth it. You guys I'm telling you if you're an ethical moral person, right and you want to deliver the best ABA. I understand that things get busy and you may have a big caseload, but if you are not feeling that way then you need to really find out what place is going to align with your moral and ethical. Code because if not it will eat you alive. I spent two months of my life and this is nothing to say but my company it's not saying anything about their moral. It was it wasn't even like that. It was just that I felt so imposter e like syndrome where I knew I just wasn't there. I knew I didn't have that in me. No money in the world could have changed my mind. I had to and it's for the best of the company. It's for the best of me and I will continue to seek out I have amazing professors where I'm from that run clinics that I have. Us to get great mentorship. I am making sure that I find that next step in my career. So I get this like, you know, I listening to Sarah's intro about her people that she had that is so amazing and a lot of the people I talked to in the field have had really great supervision and mentorship from these people in the field, but no they're frigging doing and that is something that I want all of you guys listening. I know a lot of our listeners Sarah are people studying for the exam. We've a lot of people that are already be cba's but our Crux is because Run study notes APA is teaching people how to study for your boards and it's so much more than that, which is why we develop a podcast to kind of ya run off that and say now you pass or you didn't pass whatever it is. How are you going to also become a good behavior analyst and related to every single day of your life because that's what it is every single day. Right? So everything you do is behavior analytic. Yes, right. This is a way that you approach a living and the way you approach your life. I mean, it's not an Autism intervention. Jane it's the way she wrote your worldview. Yeah the way to post the world view and sure is so all right real quick. I have a few not real quick, but I have just I'm looking at my questions. I've got 17 questions. I've asked you one. So I'm in right now is that Establish an operation. I was in a state of deprivation before now I have her I need to make sure I'm evoking and emitting all the behaviors. I want to while I have her. So first one and this is just a kind of a personal one but not you know super personal but so my favorite thing about you is that you're you're so true to yourself and your style and people ask me and Lee out a lot on how you know, you guys are so unapologetically don't give a fuck kind of thing, which we do and every day I stress about everything that My mouth is it ethical? Is it this so have is that something you have struggled with being in the public eye and being in like the field and following the ethics code and all that stuff is that have you ever encountered things like that? Yeah. I mean definitely I have like a slogan for myself sometimes everyone so I'll put it on my Instagram profile and I really think that is true. I say big hair cuz if you guys know me, I've naturally curly hair usually straighten it when I do professional presentations, but right now my fly was rocking like I'm in like to zip codes with my hair. So I say big hair big Hoops because I was were big hoop earring big house. Yeah. I'm not for everybody because I'm not and that's okay. I am not for everybody. I definitely I think challenge established Norms of what you might typically expect from a woman in leadership in Behavior Analysis. But what I think has been really exciting about our field, especially in the last five to six years is really starting to attend two different types of voices. I am so proud of some of the work that we're doing on cultural competencies, you know cultural humility, whatever you want to call it, but really understanding that. Wow, we have some we need to fix some things in our field in terms of how we approach working with different types of populations how we approach working with different colors different races different religions how we talk to each other. How do we approach working with each other when were coming from different backgrounds and I have been very excited to see some people coming up in this Field and and really being given a platform to talk about how important that is because we're in this kind of divisive environment right now in the United States and it's sometimes just so ugly. And again, I can't help but think that we are in a prime position is behavior analyst to help not only change that narrative amongst our own building culture really change that narrative nationally and to really good tools of understanding because it's all about information understanding and so I you know, I definitely have had Days where I feel that people have minimized me. I'm also a master's level behavior analyst and not a PhD and in our field, you know, Academia is I think more respected than clinicians that have been kind of toiling and practice but I will also say that I am a very proud Masters level behavior analyst because guess what we count for over 80% of certificate. We are the field we are the field and so I will not feel that I've lesser then because I do not have a PhD I have over 20 years of experience in 15 years running a company. Any that I was proud of every single day. I don't feel bad about that. And I do not you are so amazing with the company. I mean when I first again the heard that podcast in heard you talk about how you started this in your kitchen frickin kitchen and in school systems and then you went through the whole Insurance changes and you built this huge amazing company and you brought you my favorite thing about you sir. I don't think I've ever told you this but when I listen to a podcast, you said we I don't care. If you know if you can recite to me everything from Cooper everything the task list, if you're not fun, we're not hiring. I know we're not hiring. You know, it's not have that. Yeah. Yeah, if you can't if you can't build rapport and just like the Goofy and play and hang out you're useless to me. I can teach you the technology and we have all of the training rubrics and protocols and you know, the PowerPoint and the feedback we've all of that stuff. But a fundamentally you're just a person that no one else wants to be around and we're in a human service industry. Excuse me not happening. No, thank you. But I was going to make one more point about kind of my Persona. I will say that I've benefited tremendously from mentoring from Pat fireman. He has become someone that I just enjoy spending time with tremendously and I'm actually going to be able to see him. I'll be in Boystown. Next month could be my second trip there and I was there for the first time last year and I cried. Because it was so transformative. It was so great to hear him and listened to the work that he's doing and the family teaching model that they use their that's based out of work that was done at University of Kansas is amazing studied under authentic and he has written a lot of different articles and I'm sure you guys, you know, maybe you have reference them or having it in some of your classes and prepping people to take the damn. Terms of dissemination front of the room heel-toe some really nice research that they've done that has nothing to do with autism which I find really fascinating. But his whole thing is you got to figure out who you are on stage and you just got to run with it, like people can read out so that are not authentic and are trying to be something that they're not and then I realized you know, who am I I am the girl with the big hair and the big mouth and I love tennis shoes and part of it also is because I'm a middle-aged mother and my back hurt. I'm not wearing heels on stage anymore because I'm freaking back hurts and I'm not going to be in back pain while I present and I also like hip-hop and I have a lot of other interests outside of the urinalysis to and I think once I allowed myself to freedom to embrace me fully that's when I became a better speaker because I wasn't worried about the little stuff and I think in terms of like the ethical code is something that I continue to study and think about all the time. I read and research all the time. I have conversations with people in our field. All the time, but what I think everyone needs to understand is if you're so afraid to take the first step that means you're doing nothing and that's why I really feel like we haven't achieved Skinner's, you know, whole vision of really Behavior lies in the world because people are afraid to take the first step. They're afraid to put themselves out there. They're afraid to make a mistake and it's like guess what I have news flash for you. We all make mistakes and we all do stupid crap all the time and you're gonna live through it and if you never take a chance, you're never going to know how freaking amazing you can be and so I had to look free myself. Well from those things and I had to free myself from caring about people that are hating on me and just say this is my message. I think that I can be someone that can really help bring the field together because we really need it right now. I think I could be someone you know that can help connect people and create relationships and Mentor opportunities because we really need a right now and so I was like, okay stop what I'm doing. And so that's what I've been doing and you've been crushing the Sam since that day. Okay, whatever day it. You realize that you were gonna do this and I think it was like a it was a process over time. It was like I woke up one day and I was like, oh my gosh. Hello, like hashtag Flawless. I'm doing this. It was more, you know recessive experiences and part of it also is with fluency, right? I mean Pat writes a lot about when you're doing those, you know, mastering the front of the room the idea that you are preparing for what you're talking about. You know how to make your point frequently, you know how to be emphatic about it, you know how to make sure you have the audience really attend to what you're saying and so part of Of this is also just confidence built over multiple, you know exposures to a things that I find really scary. But B also the reinforcement that comes from speaking from that audience from having people laugh at my jokes from having people, you know, clap for me when I'm done and you again you just really build that so in C, but you have to be willing to take the first step you have to really do it and you just can't be afraid because are you going to do perfectly no and again guess what? No one's going to die in the Earth is going to still be able to rotate on its axis and the sun will rise and set. The next day so it's fine. But just do it. There's so many light bulb moments and so many amazing quotes that you're having this episode. I can't wait to have Alan and I go through this with people right now. I hope you're sitting on the edge of your seat motivated to just be the best behavior in ways that you can be and seek the most amazing mentorship you can seek and and you know for me, I'm same thing. I okay. I've got to say this one quick story because it's kind of funny and it's like I didn't I Was like should I tell her so I not tell her like so I went to but again keeping real and honest and who you are right? I went to Georgia to see Sarah at the be his business Builders Behavior conference. I convinced my work I had to go I had to do what they had to pay for it. I had the guy to go. I got to see her go down out. So we are Facebook messaging. I don't know if you remember this, but the plan was and I was like to can't believe she's responding to me. Oh my gosh, like we're going In the gym at 4:30 in the morning. Yeah. Yeah. I know you girlfriend. I'm sure you were and I so my sister and lives in Georgia and she I had never been she's my stepsister, but I've never been down there a Seer. So I end up going out with her and she's showing me out we're you know, indulging a little too much and I want is a fun place. I love that City. Oh my gosh. It's so much fun. I had never been of course. I wake up at 5:00 and I feel like total dog shit. I'm like I'm letting down my idol right now. I can't go I'm gonna die and then I I totally pussied out and didn't come and introduce myself because I was it was out of my comfort zone a I again so I you know did not go meet Sarah I didn't but our universes have now connected us back to where I am, you know put myself out there to do this podcast and say I know this scares me every single time I do it. It's something that's out of my comfort zone but I feel so incredibly passionate about and so now Sarah's here and I'm actually going to text Ava and I will introduce myself and we will meet on that time what the universe is there for a reason and I just I had to tell her I'm like girlfriend. I was way too hungover to come see you at the gym. You're a bad ass all the time. Yeah, I mean it again part of it is I travel a lot and the only way that I have learned to really kind of condition my body to be able to function in a lot of different time zones is to keep my rigid, you know workout schedule and it's also a really nice way for me to be present at to where I am at that time. I work out to clear my head. I work out to listen to my favorite hip-hop music I work out. So then I might reinforce our after my workout is a Starbucks cold brew coffee. Anyone that knows me knows that like my one Vice in life is like caffeine, you know, do I eat too many carbs? No, do I like drinking heavily? Not really, but caffeine is my jam and so Get my work out and then I get my Starbucks cold brew coffee everyone at my local Starbucks near my gym knows me and they already have it ready for me every morning and I have to order it because they are amazing. So yeah, I mean it was nothing. Yeah it is and that's just been something that I've had to do in order to just keep saying what I'm in like four or five different time zones and like I do week period which you know happens frequently, but I'm not I girl I also think it's fun to have a good time especially cuz Atlanta, I mean the ATL place. He's so yeah, you're going to get to hang out with me on Friday, October 11. So this is a really exciting event. It's the ABA business boot camp that the both the behavior analyst Leadership Council for which I'm the director of development and Texas the Texas Association for Behavior. Analysis are partnering to bring to Houston and we're going to be at the Royal Sonesta Hotel, which is lovely and will also be the hotel where the technology conference will be taking place in April of 2020. Just FYI and Really fun line up. I'll be talking about recruiting and retaining talent and then but so who's the president of the DLC and one of my mentors and one of my most favorite women and is also a behavior analyst she also has an adult son with autism. It's going to be talking about operational expertise and we have Lori Market than Lindsay Smith from Texana Center, which is fantastic. It's been tested organization of the Houston talking about HIPAA compliance client confidentiality and they were going to end of the day with what have I very close friends Ryan O'Donnell Who is going to be talking about leveraging your business and marketing on social media and how to do it from an ethical perspective and I think Ryan is a really great Exemplar of that someone that's really making moves and behavior analysis. He's really has his own style. I really like the questions. I was asking the people that he's putting in front of his, you know social media, but I think a lot of behavior analytic organizations don't know how to leverage that outlet to really increase their ability to serve more kids and really to attract the top 10 It and really be able to tell their story and make sure that parents, you know can work with these wonderful organizations that are doing good work. So it's going to be an awesome day. We're going to have a panel at the end. We'll probably go to have a happy hour after that because let's be honest. If you're sitting in a room for six hours, you know might need to have like some crudite and a cocktail at the end of the day. So it's going to be a day that I'm really excited about and I know that you already said that you're going to put the information in the notes for the podcast, but we have space available. You'll be able to earn 68 AC/DC he's including to ethics E's and I'll be there. So hello coming down. You guys are stupid. If you're missing out again, Ryan O'Donnell Sarah trotman eslinger and the other two. I actually watched in your video the blbl D. Is it like I see tall and I'm telling you I would never mess with Suzanne. She runs a tremendous organization and Connecticut Milestones Behavior Services. She serves on every board in Behavior Analysis. She's been the recipient of the Jerry Show. Advocacy award from a PBA. She's been in the btb board insert every single acronym here, but she's awesome. And she's really really dedicated to help supporting early career behavior analyst just like I am and so she's wonderful and those Lindsay and Lori are just Ian's of HIPAA client confidentiality really building an environment and really encouraging businesses to conduct themselves in a way that really promotes confidentiality and compliance at the Forefront of your organization, which is every a be organization's responsibility, especially for drive down Healthcare dollars. And so they're going to be here and they're super excited to talk. So it's a really nice combination of people that have experiences from different states experiences of different populations experiences in different service settings. And so to me I mean I curated this group. I really wanted to have a well-rounded group and I believe we have that at I think it'll also just be dynamic and inspirational so I'm very excited for it. No, Sarah, you definitely nailed it when you got this group together when I saw the lineup so excited. I knew I had to go there and I'm coming. So the whole Ryan O'Donnell thing if you guys are listening here, he's actually going to be on the podcast next week which are so incredibly excited for would have two of the text of a This boot camp speakers on the podcast before the actual event. Yeah. It is a huge it is so exciting. They are you two are just doing everything that I want to do and everyone was like, I just want to get out of New Hampshire. I told my husband I'm like we are he just thank God, you know find a supportive partner find someone who believes in you believes in your dreams side note, but when I left my job and you know, I'm gonna find my you know, Next thing but for a month or two, I'm going to go travel to Texas to see them. I'm going to go to Massachusetts to see Ryan at the Tate behavioral convert conference with Matt. Scoria and a bunch of other Megan Miller. There's a bunch of things that I just want to do as and I think that I think what my thing I line to his philosophical doubt like I just want to go out and find out everything and what is the most like, you know, what is happening in our field? I want to be in an up on everything so I can be the best behavior analysts and learn from these people that have the experience that I may not get in New Hampshire. So if you're someone out there listening and you're like I need something I need some fire under my ass. I need some more inspiration. I'm telling you guys this is conferences are the way to go when I went to see her in Georgia. That was my fire under my ass to realize X Y and Z. I do know this. I don't know this I'm you know, Medicaid fraud Medicaid this like I needed more support. I learned that from that conference. I never would have I may have started my own business and been like Holy shit, I'm not ready for this and I learned that I learned so much more invaluable information from that and only to continue to grow by going to these conferences and becoming you know part of the movement. We that's what I think the whole thing like you and Ryan both disseminating a ba and a real life way to everyone is what we're all trying to do. Yes, but I would also say this is something that's really important to me. I know that sometimes Comfort dependents can be a financial barrier for Inland and so what I've been really trying to do both with my work with a behavior analyst Leadership Council and I also work for the California Association for Behavior Analysis, so I used to be the of the past president of colaba and then once I transitioned out of Ste II know in a paid development consultant for them and one of the things that we've really been working on I've been working with macular the executive director and the board of directors is offering continuing education opportunities via webinars, we're doing that with our booties right now in our next RBT webinar. Is October 16th was dr. Megan Heisman and it's all about building Rapport establishing yourself as a reinforcer with clients. It's free. I'm going to vote live do a zoom webinar live and I'll do it Facebook live. I mean, I'm like totally getting into like my technological nerdy self. I did it last month with or this month earlier. This month was Tyra Sellers, and I was just like sweating bullets, but it was great. No, you killed it. I watched it you were so good. But won't we were recorded we save it on the cowl the Facebook page. I also created a box folder of all supporting documents and articles. I'm going to do the same thing for Meghan. We're going to have another webinar on our Vic use how to ensure that you're receiving appropriate supervision that's going to be with dr. Ellison bickleman in November. Also catalog that has this great webinar that's going to be happening on October 18th, and this is for be CPAs with dr. Rachel Taylor. Dr. Justin leaf on conducting research and applied setting Factory. We for Calvin members if you're a non-member and you won't see he's I think it was charging like 25 bucks. But I just I just want to say that I love the conference's. I agree that there's really nothing that takes the place of having that in-person interaction. But I also understand sometimes especially for people that have young children at home, especially if their financial barriers, especially if there's other competing kind of contingencies on your time, but there are ways to continue to make sure that you're obtaining that professional development that you need to do to vote both. We could be a CB professional and ethical compliance code, but also really to make you feel more Happy as a professional to continue to obtain inspiration to continue to allow you to meet and understand you people to expose you to different components of behavior analysis. So I think it's really important for anyone that's involved in leadership in this field to ensure that we're not just doing conferences that were really hitting it on multiple in multiple ways. And I think Brian does a really good job of that as well. She does he absolutely does one of the things and I'm so happy that you kind of circled around to that because I am living in New Hampshire. It's hard for me to travel all these places and that you know, I'm lucky enough. Go out to Texas for this one and mass is right in the my backyard I can drive but I've done a bunch of conferences and streaming online. Thanks to Ryan O'Donnell. I did this skills assessment conference online where I think I got 16 CEUs. It was a two-day conference with Megan Miller Ryan O'Donnell a few other amazing people and I was able to sit in my own house actually after the fact to because it was during my work day. So I couldn't take off time at that point. It was pre-recorded and you had a month to finish it. And answer the questions and learn and you know, that's amazing to get almost half your CEUs and it was very affordable. I'm telling you like I think there's a hundred and thirty bucks like very affordable and that is again disseminating EBA. It should be open and available to so many people which is where I think and I hope and I can see we're all going. Yes. Oh, yes one last question. I know that we're already at like almost an hour, but I could sit here for the rest of my life and talk to you so I can't have a drink with you could text Ava I think one of the most important things for our listeners as newbie cba's, if you could give them any piece of advice as a new bcba thinking about starting their own business or even just starting in any career like level, what would you say if I could be one piece of advice would be to seek out a business that you can work for where you will obtain tremendous mentorship and support and not just from the behavior analytic way but also just as a person and that's one thing that was really important to me when I work at Spectrum Center and why I moved to California from Washington State when I was 22 years old is because I interviewed it spectrum and It Tyra and I realized that she was someone that was going to be able to really support all of me. She was going to be able to support my ongoing Behavior analytic development in my clinical skills. She was going to be able to support me as a friend. She was going to be able to support me to do great things. And and that's what's so critical. And honestly, I think that really helps to guide and make me part of the person. I am now and I actually have never told her that and I really should so hopefully she'll listen to his podcast. A store. I'll just send her the podcast as she can listen to it and realize the kind of role that she played and again, I don't want to suggest that new behavior analyst can't start businesses. You can frankly do whatever you want. And there's a lot of States word that make it very easy to start new businesses. But to me really being able to work within a group that's going to support your professional development that's going to support you as a person that's going to ensure that you can have a work-life balance that's going to give you rich opportunities. To engage in professional development that our conferences and webinars and meetings and what I'm going through provision and access to articles that's that's the stuff and you want to work with someone that you like and I wrote a something I think on a LinkedIn post. I don't know a couple months ago and I said I just made this decision in my life, especially after selling my business that I loved so much after 15 years and working for people that I cared about so deeply that I will never work for someone that I just don't think is the best thing ever. Ever so that's what I would encourage for young Behavior analysts is find someone to work with you that's going to guide you that's going to care for you that's going to grow you that has your back and you will never regret that decision. You will never regret if you took ten or fifteen thousand dollars less dead be an organization that is doing good things and encourages you to do good things that is time that you are investing in yourself and that has no dollar value. Everyone out there right now listening. I hope you're feeling the same way. I'm feeling pretty friggin. Good with Sarah's advice. I'm telling you your this is just so important for newbies because I am one I'm telling you I am I'm almost using this as a therapy session tell me what I need and you are so right and I hope that Tyra does listen and you know you yes remote this podcast, but most importantly the in I'm so excited that you came on to say this because it's something that I've wanted to talk about a lot on the podcast is as we're kind of we kind of kept the podcast very wide to draw in listeners, but want to also bring it back into Behavior Analysis actual like And work and how important getting your supervision and getting mentors and learning and understanding and not just thinking that you know everything because you have those four letters after your name. It is crucial to providing quality super quality Care Quality everything to the people that we are serving and Sarah you just I mean, thank God for you that you came up and you are a Pioneer female rock star representing neither analysis. I'm telling you. You are crushing life everyday. Hope you feel that way. I don't think I honestly like I don't feel that we're all the time. I mean like none of us do right, like people like, oh keep it 100 like let's be real. Sometimes you're like, I'm keeping it in about 5% and that's what I can do today. But what I try to focus on is again, like I try to keep in contact with people that I find reinforcing as much as possible. I try and make sure that I continue to challenge myself to grow and to learn and to look at the feedback into you absorb everything and then I try to give myself a little Grace when I'm having an off day and maybe I'm going to have one of those petite vanilla skills at Starbucks and I don't care and it's fine and I'll do a couple extra minutes on the treadmill, but I think you know and again to kind of reference Bridget Taylor Linda block and was a no 6 article on really engaging in Compassionate Care One, very clear point that they make is that you can't provide Compassionate Care for anyone else unless you do it for yourself first and so do that That care for yourself. I was a nerd and I'm glad you said that another question is how do you do it girl you are this collab but Casper your blcu were Ste. You have two amazing teenage children. You're in the gym working out that sexy ass all the time. Like so thank you for saying that allowing yourself the grace and compassion to serve yourself first because you cannot serve anybody else. You do not fill your cup. First know if you're burnt out if you're exhausted, you know, you're not going to be great for anybody and that no matter what discipline that you work in if you got a really really take care of yourself and do the things my father always uses this expression. He's like Sarah. Are you choosing things that are life-giving to you that gives you life and I'm and that's a you make a really nice touch point for me. When I'm looking at different things that I want to do in life. Is this a is life-giving to me. I'm all-in Meaning and how do you operationally defined life-giving? Right? Like I would say that it makes me happy it brings me. Joy, it's something that I have a strong eo4 if it's not like giving no, thank you next strong EO baby establishing operation for that shit because if it's not serving you if it's not filling your cup if it's not creating you to feel powerful and in your own person in space than What it's a fuck now, so thank you very much Grande. Thank you next thank you next. Yes. Absolutely. Well, I'm glad that you and I rocked out this podcast by ourselves. I we miss Leah so much first know every episode with just me, but I think that I had such a strong guest today that it carried it right through amazingly Sarah you had so many amazing touch points. Light bulb moments Goosebump moments. I can't thank you enough for coming out and talking with us today. Well, you're most welcome. And I'm so glad I did I told my kids before I started talking to you and like if you guys make one sound there's going to be some major consequences and they have been quiet as little church mice. So I had to give him some reinforcements for letting me take an hour out of an hour out of their playtime with me to be able to do this and this is great. I mean, I love the stuff that you guys are doing. I want to encourage Edge you to continue doing this even to the extent that we could wrap our arms around young hungry behavior analyst support them help them grow. I'm all about it. I've all in well, thank you so much for supporting us and believing in us because this is exactly what we want to create more amazing ethical powerful behavior analyst in this field. That's our entire Mission. We love you anyone else out there that needs to follow Sarah go find her. She's He's unreal, you will be a complete life changer. Once you find her go to Texas and I couldn't see us. How about a cocktail was that anyway, we'll end with thinking Sarah and also, you know where to go to subscribe, you know, all that stuff your bitches podcast Behavior, which is Facebook as always. So Sarah you're gonna have to end this with me because we got snot here. So I say I love you and you've been mean it. Okay, as always. Love you. Hey guys, it's Lia at Dan Casey. We just want to take a second to let you know that if you're thinking of being a millennial like us and starting your own podcast, there is a way you can do your show without having to become an audio editing and production wizard because guess what we don't know shit with that, but we Have Alan that pretty easy podcast who helped us get started. He records are shows. He post them. He adds awesome awesome music and cool shit when we don't even know what he's doing. He sends us teaser episodes. He doesn't all we just sit here and friggin talk. We shoot the shit and you can record from home your office the park a bathroom stall at work. It doesn't matter. He provides a complete podcast Studio. 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On episode 17 we have a new bitch in town. Liat had #lupusproblems and was not on this episode but not to worry we had one BADASS QUEEN in the field of Behavior Analysis fill in. We talked all about what it means to be a new BCBA, how important quality supervision is, and how crucial it is to find mentors and companies who match your morals and values. Sarah is a real, raw, and relatable BCBA who has over 20 years experience in the field. If you are feeling like you need some motivation or direction in your career, you are a new BCBA trying to figure out where to go, or you just want to hear some bad ass b’s talking about how to #hustle and be successful, then this episode is for you!! I promise this episode will not disappoint. Show Notes: How to Identify Ethical Practices in Organizations Prior to Employment by: Matthew T. Brodhead1 & Shawn P. Quigley2 & David J. Cox3 Compassionate Care in Behavior Analytic Treatment: Can Outcomes be Enhanced by Attending to Relationships with Caregivers? By: Bridget A. Taylor1 & Linda A. LeBlanc2 & Melissa R. Nosik3 Get your ticket to TXABA: https://new.txaba.org/events/businessbootcamp2019/ Become a Patron and support the sh*t out of us: : https://www.patreon.com/behaviorbitchespodcast

Fellow fiends, welcome to another terrifying and delectable episode of nightmare on film Street the horror Pride cast with zero credibility, but all of the blood ghouls. And Gore your puny heart can handle let's give a grave Welcome to our hosts John and Kim. Hello again fiends and welcome to nightmare on film Street for the micro. So the micro mini bonus interstitial episode. I'm glad that we have not come up with official name of what these are know it warms my soul. Yeah. It's pretty good. We're just like little time to record that little thing which is so funny because like right at the top we've committed. It's the Coming Attractions. We call it that I know we never see it in the oh man. I'm Kim. I'm John and this is the Shorter episode in which we tell you the movies were going to talk about on the longer episode that precedes this one week from now precedes follows. Yes follows this one week from now this episode precedes the full-length episodes. Oh, she's got it. Now everyone in action. We're doing it doing a great job before we tell you the two movies that we're going to be talking about in next week's episode that we're calling. Was it a big monsters? It's because her I'm talking about Nickelodeon so much yesterday. Is that what it is? Yeah monsters. Yeah, a real monster real monsters. There we go. What are we just call at real big monsters? Okay. I like that are real big monsters. I'm and no real real big monsters. I love it before we tell you about next week's movies that we're going to be talking about on our full-length episode. We're calling ah real big monsters. I loved your ass real big monsters. Yep. We're going to talk to you about. What's keeping us? And probably you creepy in the meantime speaking of which don't mean to derail the conversation too much. But given that we've talked about Nickelodeon you guys see that are You Afraid of the Dark teaser? I'm so ready. Oh man. It's the perfect teaser like you get you get to see them in that Academy. You get some flashes of his some fucking crazy monsters and a clown E-Type gesture guy and they throw some dust in the fire and you're out. That's all I need. That's all I need that opening though is like so classic. And I you know, I need to do some re-watch as before before it lands because no no, I'm going to a fresh. I want to watch the class. No, but you watch the classics afterward. You're going to have nothing to watch app this we're very different people when it comes to this stuff. I but before we go to a concert, I won't listen to that band 4 weeks leading up with a concert because I want those songs to feel fresh. And also once I'm out of the concert, I won't feel so weird about listening to those songs again, whatever and I'm just gonna be the same way, but are You Afraid of the Dark you You can watch them all you want leading up. I'm going to save them for afterward when I need just a little more. But we also want to give you guys a heads up. I don't know if you've already grabbed your tickets. It chapter 2 tickets are now on sale. You can reserve your tickets for opening weekend for it chapter 2 when it hits the theaters September 6th 65th. Yeah that weekend. I think it's the sixth we got our seats. Yep, first Friday after Labor Day Wills. I'm making it through the very back of the theater. It's a huge theater. I don't know why I did that. Yeah, it's probably honestly when we got our tickets, there were a fair amount of seats already selected. Yeah, if you are planning on seeing an opening day might want to get those tickets ASAP. Also speaking of which September is also the month in which Rob Zombie's three from Hell comes out. That's right. And they are doing a limited three night run of that and tickets are also on sale for that too. So you made they're going fast ladies and gentlemen sound like we're doing ads but really not we these are just tickets. You need to know about yeah guys just just take your pocketbooks out and buy some movie tickets. Um, but yeah, so there's three nights. I think it's September 16th 17th 18th, or maybe nope. You got it and they're each night has a different kind of event so you can go see three from Hell three times and get three different experiences. Yeah. So it's very the night that we chose the 18th. It's a double feature with the Devil's Rejects man. Couldn't make the better the night before is with a special like making-of featurette. Yeah. Yeah, and I can't like to see that to hear were the first night the first night you get a commemorative poster commemorative poster. I don't know that commemorative, but you can get a pretty good show sir, though. Probably Rob Zombie designed poster. Yeah, there's nothing about that movie. He hasn't done we had he's the its own street team. That's very true. He does all of his own promotions and stuff. Like whenever we do news about Rob Zombie's new movies it straight from his fucking Instagram, which is so fucking punk rock. Very cool. Yep. I love it. I think it's just like his fuck you like the film industry and just like doing things that he wants his Way, yeah. Well, I think again previously he had done 31 through Kickstarter and I think he just realized like yeah, I mean like it's very nice to have this money up front and to be able to allow people in the movie that support it and yada yada, but I think he kind of realized like I can just do a smaller movie all by myself and not pay anybody else anything. Mmm. Even if it's just swag and stuff. It's all time. It's all included in your budget if I just do everything the way I've always done it by myself and eggs will be good. And I think that's kind of how he's always handled Rob Zombie like the musician like he's always done his own. What do you call that the screen behind you and like the concert show. Sure. Yeah, like he's always done the video footage and stuff for that and that's kind of like, I mean you really see that in House of thousand corpses because that movie is like the embodiment of Rob Zombie's concert act. Oh, yeah. That's like the Psychedelic. Yeah psychopath. Yeah, but he also did his own music videos leading up to that too. So, I mean, I think it's like he did his music video. Because they didn't want to pay somebody to do it or they were having trouble explaining their vision for it. So he just like did it himself and he was also a cartoonist and it's like I don't know if you guys remember the Beavis and Butt-head movie but there's a sequence where Beavis eats peyote and just like trips out in the desert and it's all like he thinks he's going to hell and stuff. That's all Rob Zombie. Like he drew all I don't think I've seen that it's a really good movie. So it's so dumb. We're going to watch that later. We should um, but yeah, so that's tickets. You need to buy tickets. You need to you need to get get reserved because both of those things are like do not miss especially if they're in your area that Rob Zombie one. Yeah. Oh, yeah. We're seeing in Texas would rooms. Well, yeah not even in our area only happy in the United States and we just will happen to be in Texas in September. So yeah, we're going to go check that out. If you're in the Austin area and you're coming to see three from he'll let us know PS also speaking of tickets. You need to buy. I hope you have your ticket for scary. He's to tell in the dark because it's coming out today today first day. You get to see it. We will be at our local theater tonight. I can't wait. Oh, I feel like I've been waiting for this movie forever. I was I was always very familiar with these books. I don't know that I've ever actually read them was a kid. I don't know if I read them either. I always saw them in the library. I saw them at friends houses and stuff. I'm sure I leafed through them, but I don't know that I ever read one of the stories as a kid. Yeah. I had a bunch of different ones, but I don't know if I had those but we will be recording a patreon exclusive episode 4. That which will be landing at some point this weekend. So if you are a patreon supporter or you're thinking about becoming a patreon supporter that full length bonus episode will be dropping this weekend in terms of patreon to we also have hours and hours of bonus content, which you can get in exchange for supporting the show as you know, Nightmare on Elm Street is fan and listener-supported and we couldn't be doing what we do today without the support of our patrons. So thank you to those of you who are supporting us who have supported us in the past and if you're looking to Word is you can join us over at patreon.com slash Nightmare on Elm Street. We record a bonus mini game for every single full-length episodes that we put out and also a like Kim was mentioning full spoiler discussion reviews of big movies that were released in the movie theater each month previously. We did Godzilla. We did Annabelle comes home. Like all of the big releases that you've seen throughout the year Child's Play Summer we have things to say about both of those movies. Yeah, you hours. Hours and hours and hours of content available to you as a monthly supporter, but back to news did it did it turns out James ones new movie isn't a Nightmare on Elm Street film that surprise you I think was just a like wishful thinking every time there's a new life every time there's a new line movie announcement that there's no title released for doesn't matter who the director is like who knew Freddy movie. Right, right. You guys been talking about new Freddie for a long time now, it's like yeah, of course it would talk about new Freddie its new line. They're always talking about Freddy. I think this news is honestly better James Wan is working on a new original horror Thriller. Yeah, and he's writing directing it. So like I am on fucking bored. Yeah The Conjuring would have been the last one. That's crazy. Think about it. Like there's proof how good that movie is. There's a thousand spin-off movies. That's fucking crazy. Yeah. Yeah, so I'm super pumped for that. You say you expect it. You hoping that it's not they're haunted house E-Type movie because I would think he's not doing that at all. So apparently he put a Facebook post out after ever. There was all the expectations about it being Nightmare on Elm Street to say that it was an original and he said it with his words horror-thriller. So the fact that he put the Thriller in there. Okay Maine's were maybe I think it's not going to be paranormal at all. I think it's going to be like something James Wan hasn't tackled before okay, you know kind of how you know slasher. So you're saying how Lionel did Upgrade and it's still within the genre but it's something completely different. I think this is going to be James wants upgrade may be cool. Yeah, I'm down with that. Yeah, so I'm excited to see what it is. I hope the information comes out very sparse because I want to be surprised. Yeah. Nothing's gonna be the first time we saw Insidious right like oh this movie looks like oh so good. Sure. Let's go. Check it out. All this shit scariest movie. You've seen in a decade. Yeah that movie movies terrified me so great, but speaking of which it is still Stephen King. Month, I know you're gonna be really surprised when we announce this week's movies, but we are still celebrating over it and ofs podcast.com with a ton of Stephen King related articles and editorials and recommendations. So if you're starved for Stephen King and this week's episode isn't gonna do it for you. Make sure you hit up Nos podcast.com and check out what all of the writers I've been working on because it's fucking great. Yeah and like you mentioned surprise this week's episode of nightmare of The Nightmare of every podcast is not Stephen King related. You wanted to do something a little bit summer tastic. We're nearing the end of summer. And we wanted to celebrate the way you have to fucking celebrate and that is with AA real big monster, right especially real big wet monsters. Damn. We're going in Lakes. We're going in rivers. We're gonna actually just those two next week's episode. We will be talking about 1997's Anaconda the Jennifer Lopez vehicle and 1999's Lake Placid. Acid, yep, so it will holmen's greatest work. It's Gators worst giant snakes and it is going to be a great wonderful Creature Feature spectacular. So you need to check out those two films. We will be dropping that full-length episode next Thursday and it's going to be summer Funtastic. We had to do a monster movie. Yeah. I think I think it's it came down to like we wanted to do a summer slasher movie. We wanted to do a shark movie we want we wanted to do something that is very summer because it hasn't quite felt like that, you know. July is our greedyguts month. So we kind of just got to do whatever the fuck we wanted and neither none of those movies really felt like summer classics and you know, we wanted to give you guys some Stephen King content. So we this is our only opportunity to dip into like some sun-soaked horror and a very happy we did it. If you're concerned though. There is one more full length episodes scheduled for September and it's August. There is one more full length and Nightmare on Elm Street podcast scheduled for August. And and I don't feel uncomfortable saying here that it is Stephen King related. Yeah, we do have another Stephen King episode coming up this month. So you will still get to to full Stephen King episodes, but we squeaked in one little summer one and I'm really happy that we did and damn are those some a real big wants to but you can grab that episode as I said on next Thursday, wherever you're grabbing this one apple podcast Google Spotify. You can also find us on patreon for all of your extra bonus content over at patreon.com slash Nightmare On Film Street. But until then I'm Kim. I'm John stay creepy. It appears. You made it out alive just long enough to tell the tale of The Nightmare on film Street. Wow, help us grow The Horde leave a review on iTunes or wherever you subscribe continue. This week's conversation on Twitter. By following @n o FS podcast and is always more terror can be found lurking on our website www.marriageguy.com film Street podcast.com until next week. Stay creepy fiends.

We're only 8 days into Stephen King month here at Nightmare on Film Street, and we can think of no better way than honoring the master of unsuspecting horrors than completely breaking format and talking about two- well, we'll get into that shortly. Until we reveal the films of next week's 'Aaahh!!! Real Big Monsters' episode, we dish the dirt on the biggest stories of this week's horror headlines, including: James Wan's new (non-NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREET) New Line Cinema thriller, dat ARE YOU AFRAID OF THE DARK teaser and, of course, our Jangly Man expectations for André Øvredal's SCARY STORIES TO TELL IN THE DARK!

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And he is a concert and wedding photographer and I wanted to talk to him about a couple of things this week on the podcast and dive deep into concert photography his opinions on things and we talk a lot about mental health in this podcast. And I think that's something that is very important to be talked about I struggle with my own version of mental health problems, and I'm sure that a lot of you out there also do and you know what? It's okay not to be. Okay you guys and it's okay to ask. For help and it's okay to help yourself. Remember you are the most important person in your life. You have to be the most important person in your life because it's your life you have to live it. And so with that we are going to jump into this podcast, but I just want to remind you guys we are about to hit our 100th episode. Thank you so much for continuing to listen to this podcast. I love that. There's like a little cult following with this podcast. It's so fun. Thank you guys for listening continuously. I love reading the Comments. I love reading your feedback. So if you like this episode, if you like the podcast do me a favor and leave some feedback under this episode on whatever platform you're on whether you're on Spotify Apple podcasts. Anchor. Where are you listening as podcast? I'm curious tweet me at project freelance. I want to know where you're listening to the podcast at. Yeah. If you do dig what I'm doing here, please leave some feedback and leave a rating on the podcast. All right, let's jump into this episode Rob, please introduce yourself and what it is. You do to the audience. My name is Rob haverman and I'm a freelance concert wedding photographer. And how did you get into photography? It's kind of a weird story. Then Bruce who isn't Asking Alexandria used to have this record label called KBB records and they like honestly, I don't even know how they got my email address. They like basically reach out and it's like hey you have this like suicide nonprofit and we have this band that like really likes that. Message or whatever. Can you come in like interview them at the Vans Warped Tour was like yeah, that'd be sick. Like and I had no no Concert Experience whatsoever. Like I literally did I mean no photography experience whatsoever. I literally didn't didn't even have a camera or anything. It's like yeah, that'd be sick. Like I would love to do that. And then like, I don't know maybe a week or two before I was like, oh my God, I should probably buy a camera or something to like record this interview. Like this is like a huge label and like they want all this like video and audio and stuff like that and I had had no idea what the hell I was doing. So I went to Best Buy and got like a Best Buy credit card and like bought a Canon T3i. And then honestly, I didn't even end up doing video on the interview, but it was like it I end up being like a bunch of really great people in that. I ended up shooting Vans Warped Tour that year and I was like, oh my gosh, this is literally like the best thing I've ever done. I want to do this every day of my life. So I've been doing it ever since wow, so you literally just got thrown into the deep end of Vans Warped Tour tell me what that was like, Shooting your first your first time shooting at Warped Tour what an experience that must have been. Yeah. Yeah. It was awesome. I've been going to work her since like 2007. So I was like familiar with the atmosphere, but I'd never like honestly like I didn't even really know that like Hunter photography was the thing and they literally that gave me a press pass. I was like, oh, I wonder if I could like go up and shoot by the stage and I like I happen to have a friend that I knew like from going to shows and I was like am I allowed to like go up in the photo Pitter? Like I didn't Call it a photo because I didn't know if that's what it was called. But almost like a lot of like go by the security guards or whatever and like take photos and she's like, yeah, of course you could do that for the first three songs and I'll never forget I was like, oh my gosh, that's so cool. Like this. Is this amazing and like I don't know like we had been having like a super super super hot Chicago summer. And for whatever reason it was just like super nice that day. It was like for it was like 70 and sunny and it was it was like seriously the best that like honestly like that day. It sounds cheesy but like that day totally My life, like if I wouldn't have done that then like obviously I never would have got into photography. Yeah, and I mean rest in peace to Warped or you know, I interviewed Kevin Lyman on this podcast before and that's real talk to him about you know, what it would take to to create the next warped or like what what he put into it and how he built it. And so for those that will never get to photograph a warped or what was it like like what was The interactions like the crowds like just explain that a little bit. Yeah. I mean, I feel like the crowds are like to me I think Warped Tour is like yeah, it was like a music festival but there was like some there's like a sense of community like that. I've never seen another like Festival like there was like the Mayhem Festival at all that stuff and like all these massive tours that have all these great bands. Like there was just something about Warped Tour this like unlike anything else. It's theirs. Huge community and everybody was like so relaxed and like like the bands just like hanging out and like, you know having barbecues or whatever like that's at least in my experience that is unlike any other like, you know traveling to her like that shooting it is seriously like the most amazing thing. Imagine just being you know for me I was like a scene kid. Well, I mean, I guess I still am but I wasn't seeing kid then and it was like all of like, you know, if you were to tell me. Oh, yeah, you can go and shoot this show. And I was like, you know 15 of your favorite bands and you got to photograph all of them in one day. It was like went from like zero to a hundred all like just amazing like oh, yeah, I'm gonna go pick between you know my number for favorite band on my number two favorite band. Oh man. I hope I could run between the two stages and go to both like it's just something like, you know, there's nothing else like it. So when it comes to your education as a photographer, are you completely self-taught 100% taught from the YouTube Academy Heaven. I've never taken a photography class. Like it sounds like kind of cheesy but like literally everything I've ever done everything I've ever learned is like by doing it or by watching YouTube videos. Like I learned like I literally watch like I can of T3i tutorial video the night before like the night before work. It was like I should probably figure out how to use this and like yeah literally all like the internet and like just asking people and like and just like learning over the years. I talked to a lot of different people on this podcast about you know, whether they should go to like film school or photography school or whatever, but for those out there that are trying to do YouTube University who were some of the people that you watched on YouTube when you were learning Peter McKinnon was like he's like the the the big guy that I watch because he does photography and does like Gear reviews and stuff like that. And then Jared polin froknowsphoto.com to be more into like doing concerts and stuff. So he would he would upload videos on concerts. Yeah his channel. I believe it's called froknowsphoto like frog because he has like a big afro, and yeah, he both of them still do do a ton of content Jared polin more now, I think Peter McKenna Is actually doing like a documentary with like Angels and Airwaves or something like that. So I know he hasn't been like uploading as much but yeah, honestly like between the two of those like that's that's like all I watched like obsessing over like even on like my break at work like I got 20 minutes. Okay, I'm gonna go watch 18 minutes of video, you know. Yeah Peter is definitely working on an Angels and Airwaves documentary right now. I just reached out to him through his Instagram email to see if he could do the The podcast but the email bounced back. So like if anybody out there look it up to this knows Peter McKennon. I'm trying to get in touch with the guy hook it up so I can have them on this podcast. I think it would be a great episode. But yeah, I also love their content. I think that definitely heater is doing amazing things and I haven't checked out Jarrod stuff, but I definitely will so let's talk about some of your influences photography wise. Yeah, honestly like She doesn't shoot as much anymore. But like Liz Peterson, I believe she's out of like Baltimore ish. She like one thing I know like her that I get like inspired by her photos is like her colors are so rich and just like so like I feel like I'm literally at the show. They're they're incredible like her yellows and oranges are like, they're like a like nothing else and then Rosario Gutierrez or some people know res don't shoot Skrillex because that's like her name on all social media. And it's so funny. Like we've been at shows together and people come up you like. Hey, you're don't shoot Skrillex, right? It's like what the hell? Yes, but my name is our her neck. She's like, yeah. My name is Rosario. Yeah, she's she's like an incredible Creator Nina to addict is also another one of those people that constantly inspires me also re duker. He he is the true or photographer for August Burns Red. He's like his stuff is just so so crispy. He's one of those people that Kind of switch back with Jean Cannon and so nice to me and him have talked about that a little bit because I've bounced around between Canaan and Sony to yeah, those those people are big Inspirations to me as far as since we're talking about gear. What do you do? You have a preference between Sony or Cannon? Yeah. I'm a I'm a cannon Fanboy now for a while. I thought yeah, maybe mirrorless is like the way to go and like Sony was like kill. I mean they still are but they like killing the game for formulas. And so I had I bought an a A 7/2 and like shot with that fur like I'll probably about a year and I was like, yeah, this is okay. But like I still like Mike and I like my Canon colors so I sold that and now I got all can and stuff. I got a 5D Mark for and it us are so now the Cannons got like a semi-pro mirrorless. I thought I use that thing all the time. Yeah. I'm a huge cannon fan boy though. Yeah, I I've been kind of wondering if I should go back to Cannon, you know, I've been on the a7s2 since for a while. But I started out on Canon and like you write something about the colors of Cannon really really make it stand out as a product. It sounds like sounds cheesy, but like Canon colorscience, like it makes you like for me at least it makes like the workflow so much faster. If you don't have to do like so much color correcting like obviously that takes time and time is money, you know, especially because like I shoot weddings too. So like I feel like the Canon skin colors like when I'm doing weddings are and like I don't know it's something about like The guy like the greens like to me at least on this on is that I've shot the greens look like very off. I know they could just be me but like it seems like you know the skin colors and like the greens are are on point for Canon. Yeah. I know what you're talking about because I've seen it in myself, you know, you can see like the the Hughes almost are like a little often like in the skin tones greens come out a little bit more which is like kind of yeah. So I've totally noticed that myself. So let's let's talk about what happened after Warped Tour like you did this one gig at Warped Tour and then what yeah, and then I like just so hat. Like I said, I had like my own nonprofit that was like a suicide prevention and I reached out to this band Escape the Fate they were on tour of the Five Finger Death Punch at the time and there I was like, Hey, I want us to down to like do this interview with you because at the time there basis Max Green had like just got Of like treatment for like a drug addiction kind of thing and he was like very open to like talking about like recovery and stuff like that. So I reach out to him and he like literally didn't have anything to do with like photography for say but I like reach out to him and I was like, yeah, like let's do this interview and he's like, okay cool. I'll give you a photo pass. And so I ended up shooting and I literally had no idea what I was doing. I was like shooting an audit and stuff like that. So I shot Five Finger Death Punch and Escape the Fate a couple other bands at The Raven. Waukee this like legendary venue, which I had no idea was like this like sick venue. So I did that that was like the like, I don't know maybe a couple months after work to her and I was like and I'd be like I want to do this like so I like I said, I shot that show and then okay. Well, how do I go about like getting into more shows like this? Because this is sick like they give me a plus one. I brought my girlfriend. Like how can I do this more? And so I just like started shooting like it's weird like most Old like say like, oh, yeah start shooting local shows. It was honestly like the opposite for me like obviously weren't hers like a huge show and then like five finger death punch is obvious like a huge, you know band and I kind of did like it backwards. I shot like a bunch of huge bands like a bunch of bigger but not not like local bands. I shot like nationally touring bands first and then I was like, oh, yeah. I'm going to start shooting like oh Vance because this is sick too. Yeah, honestly just like kind of spiraled and then like it went from like, okay. I have one show month. Okay, maybe not I have three shows a month. Okay now, Maybe I have you know five or six shows a month now. It's like okay. I got like three four five six shows a week now which is like kind of insane. But yeah, just honestly just kind of snowball then it was like all about like networking with other people and like like the sounds really cliche but like just not being a dick head and like just trying to talk to people like that. I think that's honestly like a big part of like how I've been able to shoot somebody shows. Yeah. Yeah, I think networking is a huge component and that especially when you're going to shows and trying to shoot more shows. Talk about like how you figured out how to network. Like did it just come naturally to you or yeah, honestly, what was it like, yeah, like I think you know, I've always liked people voice told me I'm like super compassionate and like I've always liked had like a way of like talking to people and more of like a like a helpful way not necessarily like with networking per se but being able to like, you know, make make people feel comfortable and honestly, I just kind of like and I didn't do that. Naturally, it's not like I'm you know, trying to be you know disingenuine with that and like just do it to you know, get in good with people like that's obviously not the case at all. Like I just you know, like I'm pretty good at talking to people so just being able to have like a conversation or somebody literally just like last night. I was at a show and there's this dude just standing there. He was shooting but it was like after the third song so I literally stopped and I started talking to him and turns out we had to like a couple of mutual friends but like that just like a little connection. Action that I made like, you know something so easy like that just just introducing yourself like, you know, you could like be able to help them down the road or they might be able to help you down the road. It's it's all like, you know, you got to make those little connections. Absolutely networking is so vital to freelancing. Like that's the best way we can get our names out there, you know. So with with the music industry. Yeah, absolutely, especially with the music industry. It's so small. So these gigs you're getting where are you finding them? How are you? How are the band's getting in touch with you? Like how does that process go when you actually get booked to shoot a show. So in the beginning it was just like me reaching out. Front like I would just go straight to the band's management or like their PR whatever even before I was like shooting for a publication because honestly like at that time there wasn't like the market wasn't as saturated. So they were more likely to give you a pass without a publication now, it's like pretty pretty hard to get a pass without a publication for any like for the majority of nationally touring acts like they want to know that like they're going to get you know, they're going to get like press coverage from this that Not just going to give you ticket for free, you know. Yeah, I just like reach out to like the PRS or management and they're like, yeah sure come out and then I send them all the photos after and like most of the time they would even post them or like half the time. I wouldn't even get an email back, but I'd still just like try to make those connections and like follow up with them after Blake. I just want to make sure you got this stuff like that and then now recently like I've been lucky enough to work like directly with venues. I'm the house photographer at the bottom Lounge in Go which is like this super super sick venue. They have like a ton of shows there that I like I should say they book a lot of shows there that I like with the music that I like like maybe a week or two ago shot. Literally my all-time favorite band The Devil Wears Prada and so like that's been that's been super sick and and then recently I've started working more with this other venue called the metro and that literally is like kind of a networking thing to I got asked to shoot a show is actually a lot of Clues after show for a publication and then Just happen to run into the pr lady for the Metro after and we just like got to talking and then made that connection there and she kind of was like hey, do you want to come start shooting shows for us? And it's like yeah, of course like I love going in the Metro. I would love to shoot whatever show you want. Here's this this and this that I want to do and they have been very accommodating for that, which is very I'm very lucky and appreciative of that. So let's talk about social media real quick. Talk about how social media has come into play when it comes to being a freelancer. I think it's you'd honestly like, um, like having like a social media presence not even just for like photography but like being having like a social media like following can literally like get you a career and make you money and like that's like that could be like a Assist that a sustainable income like Ali like like Ali said earlier like Peter McKinnon and Jared polin, like that's their full-time job, you know, you can make money by you can make like career money by you know uploading to YouTube. I think like it's very important. Some people will disagree that like, yeah, like you don't need to have social media to book gigs, but like honestly a lot of my like a lot of the connections that I've made I've been through Facebook or Instagram Facebook Instagram or Twitter like just being out there and like posting your stuff constantly helps so much like every every event that I go to on on Facebook every single one whether I'm shooting or you know Arch that whether it's a show or like, you know, and any little thing even if I'm like shooting a wedding like I'll check into the venue like oh yeah shooting a wedding here or like last year. I did a wedding in Hawaii. So I posted about that and it's just like that little bit of like people That you're out there doing the thing and they could see that and there's like there's like a constant history of like, okay this person did this show and this show and oh they're working with this person. Like I think that gives you more credibility the more and more people see that and then honestly, like if you get yourself spread around to then that's you know, the more likely people are going to be see your stuff and want to you know hire you or take you out on tour. How are you to shoot their wedding or any of that stuff, you know? For for weddings and stuff. How how did you get into that? Honestly, like I've always wanted to do it once I started shooting or like, you know, once I like kind of figured out what was going on I wanted to do it because as a lot of people know there's not really a ton of money in music photography, which is fine. Like it's not necessarily about the money but like, you know, obviously the income of of wedding photography is significantly better. Then in almost music industry stuff. So there is like obviously the draw from from making more money and honestly, like just seeing people that are so like in love with each other and being and having them trust you on you know, what is essentially the biggest day of their life is just like awesome to me. So like it sounds like kind of ridiculous, but I aside from like posting on social media and I have like a couple of pictures on my website, but I've literally never like like had any marketing dollars going Into wedding photography. It's literally just all word of mouth. I think that kind of goes back to like making those connections like just literally like talking to people at weddings. Like I've booked at least three maybe four weddings just by like happen to talk to people at the wedding and you know, being nice and being accommodating to people and you know, if you're going to do that people are more likely to refer you so that it's all just like it's kind of like a spiraling effect like once you start doing it it's going to you know, obviously if things are Well, it's going to keep going. Yeah, definitely. So for let's talk a little bit about Feast first famine. So tell me if you've ever dealt with this if you deal with this currently or anything like that fees first famine, for those of you listening basically is you could have weeks where you have a ton of work and then you could have weeks where there's no work coming in. So Rob talk a little bit about that. At yeah, I think for me that's like I struggle with that a lot because I have a terrible tendency to overbook myself and that is like whether it be like just a couple weeks ago. I did three shows on a night all not a not even close to the same venue. They were like half an hour away from each other. So like I struggle with being able to coordinate that and I feel like you know for me, I you know some times out of the Year. I'll have to take like a month maybe two months off. And for me, that's fine. Like I honestly like get kind of burnt out on it sometimes with with a feast part because yeah, I love doing it. But if you're doing it, you know, five six seven nights a week. You have to be careful that sometimes you get burned out and you'll start to lose love for it. But um, yeah, I try to not try to not I guess feasts too much. Yeah, it's definitely that's definitely something I struggle with is. Not overdoing it. Yeah, I think I have a similar problem. But I feel like sometimes even if I'm overdoing it. I feel like I'm not doing enough. Do you ever yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah hundred percent. I feel like like even if I'm the even if the bands are happier than management, whatever is happy. I feel like I could have done this better. I could have edited that photo differently. Like I'm always like second-guessing myself on on the actual like quality of work that I'm producing even though like the bands are happy. That's really what matters you know, if your client is Happy with the stuff you're creating then that's really what matters it. I feel like a lot of people get stuck in their own head with that and they like, you know / think / think a lot of things and like you're just here to create art if your clients are happy, then that's what matters, you know, try not to overthink it. Yeah, absolutely and I think you know, we all deal with that. So I think it's important to talk about it. I do quickly want to talk about the nonprofit real quick talk a little bit about that creating that what it's called. Called you haven't even mentioned the name of it yet. The nonprofit that I originally started was called team recovery. It's no longer a thing anymore. So basically like my story is I struggle with mental health for 4 years and I got to the point where I like basically check myself into treatment. And after I got out I was like Hey, I want to you know start something. I didn't know exactly what I wanted to basically help like help kids or help people not feel the same shit that I was feeling all like the negative thoughts on my head. So I made an Instagram page called team recovery and like the next morning. I woke up and I had like, oh, I have 30 followers the next day. It was like, oh, I have 200 followers. Oh the next day. I have 500 front and like it grew very very very rapidly. So that made me realize like hey, there's like a real need for this. I did like the legal the legal work to you know to make it actual nonprofit and to be honest like that was significantly harder and more expensive than I thought it was and it was still Not exactly what I wanted. So Johnny Boucher the founder of an organization called hope for the day she got Chicago based organization reach out to me is like a man. I see what you're doing. But like do you want to come work with us? We have like the budget to do what you want to do and like you could still do what you want to do. But like like do it under our name and honestly at first I was like nah, man, I really don't want to do this. I want to do like my own thing and then after like a couple months of like seeing all of like the great work that they're doing like, yeah. Okay. Maybe I need to do this. So I disbanded team recovery, which is my nonprofit and started working exclusively with hope for the day and that's been about probably about six years. Now my position there is a surrogate basically I go to different shows different concerts and set up a booth or table and hand out resource cards. So hopefully today is basically a proactive Suicide Prevention and mental health education. Nonprofit. We are not like a crisis hotline or anything. We're Just providing the resources for the people that are you know, those hotlines and like this our slogan is it's okay not to be. Okay, and that's like it's very simplistic but it's very it's very like accurate like the idea that like it's okay to struggle and then it's okay to like, you know not be a hundred percent. All the time is huge and I feel like especially like people in the creative field. They're like Freelancers. I feel like a lot of people struggle with that like I especially with like out and like, you know questioning questioning like your quality of worker like constantly comparing yourself to others. So that's that's like a big thing that we do so I go and set up these tables at shows and and actually do public speaking now to about like my story and like how I show the mental health and how you know shit does get better with obviously hard work. But yeah, basically we do that and now we're doing a thing called the conversations Cafe. Where we basically go out to like schools and churches and all these different things. I'm sorry. I totally called that the wrong name. It's called the things we don't say now conversations Cafe. But anyways, the things we don't say is like a program where we go out and do mental health first aid training the basic helps people understand the warning signs of somebody that might be going through Mental Health crisis how to approach them what to say what not to say that kind of stuff and basically opening the conversation about mental health because it's there's a huge stigma there the people Just don't want to you know don't want to acknowledge affect the mental health is a very real thing and it affects a lot of people. So yeah, basically we're just trying to get the word out about mental health. Yeah, and I think it's important to that you brought all this up because we do struggle with, you know, our own self doubts and a lot of Freelancers also deal with mental health problems because they are in a very stressful type of work environment. You know, we we Put ourselves into this this little box like a lot of us work from home. Like I personally work from home and like being at home by yourself. All the time is like the healthiest thing for you and like for me personally, like I just moved in with a roommate. So I'm like trying to like navigate that whole situation and I'm like working from home and all that stuff. So it's like I just want people out there listening to know that It's okay. Like like you said it's okay not to be okay, we all struggle with stuff and hopefully I've lost jobs over my mental health, you know, like I'm sure you can relate I'm sure there's people out there that can relate I've literally had people tell me they can't work with me until I get my like mental health in order, you know, and it's like sometimes sometimes you just have to take a step back and and re-evaluate what you're doing and just take a second for yourself and take care of yourself. I think one thing that I say to myself all the time when I'm Getting down on my own thoughts as like like I'm the most important person in my life. Like that's not selfish. Like you have to take care of yourself before you take care of others or like before you go out there and like if you're not right in your own head or if you're not, you know in a good mental space or any of that like it's going to be so much harder. You have to take care of yourself first and like I know people that struggle with mental health that's a very hard thing to do because like I said earlier, like a lot of people have like self-doubt like you have to take yourself seriously and have to take your mental health Seriously and put yourself first or else, you know shits, you know, it's not going to work out right? How do you keep yourself positive? Whenever you're going through these doubtful times? Like what are some things that you can do as a freelancer when you're struggling with, you know, your self-doubt you don't think you're good enough. What are some are there some like exercises that you can do or like can you help guide people a little bit there? Yeah. Well for me what I do, I think like for helping my mental health is I do the public speaking. I got to these Chozen and you know talk to you know, essentially just random strangers but something that helps me a lot to is like change up what I'm doing like obviously I shoot a lot of shows but like if I'm kind of getting burnt out on that or like kind of down on my work I go out and like trying to shoot Landscapes or like trying to do Street stuff, like just just changing up a little bit will give you like a to me. At least it gives me like a whole new perspective and like like I'll go out and like take Street portraits and like to me that helps me. When I go to shows and like bands bands hire me to do like band promos, you're more comfortable talking to people and like guiding them. You know what you want. So like that's what I do is like just go out and change it up or either that or just set it down. Like I said earlier there's been times where I just don't shoot for like a month or two like you you literally have to take yourself or you have to put yourself first because like obviously photography or like any any creative thing is important, but like you have to take care of yourself first Amen brother thank you. I appreciate that. So you posted something on Facebook the other day and I want to own a bring it up. I want to talk about it. You said I mean you said something to the effect that if you have a photo pass you shouldn't need to buy a ticket. Where did this come from? What happened? And why I why did you post this on Facebook? Because I agree with you. I agree. Yeah, honestly never in my wildest dreams that I think that people were going to get so riled up about something that I thought was like, I don't understand why photographers would get mad about that. So basically my my status said PSA PhotoPass should count as a ticket or something something that effect nobody Chef to work. Pay to work for free. So basically what I meant by that is that some venues around around Chicago. You have to get a photo pass and then they either expect you to buy a ticket or be in the bins guest list to me. If you're if you have a PhotoPass, obviously the band is either hiring you or want you there. Why should we also have to buy a ticket? And and also like let's be honest like foremost most smaller like Publications. They don't pay they don't have a budget. Or they are not going to pay for a ticket that just like the nature it at least in my experience is that's like the nature of how it goes. So like my thing was like a coast. So say I gotta prove to shoot a show. Why should I have to pay to now give this band or this venue or whatever this management free content. That was like what I was getting at because it happened at a show the other night. They gave us a VIP pass. It was mean one of the person a VIP pass a ticket and a PhotoPass. So we And it did this interview came out and like when got food because it was like way before the show came out when got food. And then when I went to go back in they wouldn't let the other person back in because they didn't have a separate ticket. We only had the one ticket and a photo pass and then the VIP. Well, apparently that that footpath didn't count as a ticket. So now this person that was supposed to be writing review and doing stuff for the show that we I'm not sure if I'm not sure if they got hired but basically that we were, you know, writing a magazine. Gisin article about this this band in the show now. She can't get back in because the venue decided that oh, yeah now they got to buy a ticket like to me. That doesn't seem right. Yeah, I guess like and somebody's like a couple people like chimed in in the Facebook thing and said like oh, yeah, like management have to paver guestlist spots and like and honestly, I have never heard that if I'm wrong in that then like feel free to correct me, but I've never heard that like management has to pay for guest list spot or like the band has to pay for guest list. I could totally be wrong in that but the way that I look at it as like yeah, if you're if you're going in providing, you know content or like videos or some sort of media or something, then you shouldn't have to pay for that your work. Everybody's work is valuable, you know what I mean, whether or not you get paid or not. That's between you and the band or the you know, you and the management whatever obviously not everybody has the luck of getting getting paid for everything and that's unfortunately the nature of the beast, but I was literally just trying to make a point that people shouldn't have to pay like paying as in buy a ticket to the show to work and not get paid by publication. Yeah. It's always going to piss off some people but I agree. I mean, I think if you have a photo pass and you're there to work, I think that should count as your end. And I mean there have been I've been to a Rena like Arena shows where you have your first three songs, and then you can either wait outside or you can go watch the rest of the show and a seat like they give you a ticket and I I've never I've also never heard of management having to pay for guest spots. That's something I've never. Never heard of I haven't either not not really sure where that came from. But two separate people said that to one on Facebook and one on Twitter, so I don't know if that's like maybe in some different genres or something like that. I don't know. The only other time I've ever had like, I guess you not even like an issue but it's been like a Live Nation thing with bigger shows. They don't they clearly tell you that they're not giving you a ticket and they'll you have to meet it. Let's just say mitigate to and they have like a media person that literally walks you from the outside gate down to the photo pit. And then after you're done with it two or three songs or whatever then they walk you back out just like I know that I can't blame that on the bands or their management. I'm almost a hundred percent positive. That's a Live Nation thing why they do that. I'm not a hundred percent sure. But I mean, I guess there's probably a reason for Live Nation just does things a little bit differently. Yeah, something that I don't necessarily agree with but I mean it is what it is. It's like you're going to change it sound like you're going to change their policy. Yeah. So for for those that are out there that maybe want to get into live music photography and they don't necessarily get a warped or as their first into the world of Photography. What's some advice you could give them for starting to get into shows and getting Actual paid gigs. Yeah, I think first and foremost know your camera in and out you you could have like the beginner nowadays every camera is good enough to be able to do, you know, obviously the higher end cameras. It's going to make it easier but 99% of the cameras now are you know good enough or you're going to be able to get you know, good images in low light. I think knowing your camera the BET like knowing everything about your By knowing how to you know, the best way to get you know pictures in low light to the that camera's ability is going to say way more than you know, having a 10,000 dollar set up knowing knowing your gear and how to you know, get the most out of it as huge and ones you like start to realize that I would suggest going to local shows. I'm sure if you're listening to music, there's some sort of local seen wherever wherever you're at. I live in Chicago, so I'm very lucky that we have a Very very great local scene. So honestly, I would just suggest reaching out to local bands. Nine times out of ten. They're gonna fuck. Yeah sure here come and come to the show and take photos and you know sometimes you know, sometimes with that they might not necessarily pay for your ticket because a lot of local bands like don't have the money and like to me that's not that it's initially okay, but like if you can't like if you're not guaranteed to give them like quality images Then that like I suppose I could understand that. You know, like I guess if you're just going to go and shoot a show to you know gain experience. That's okay to shoot for free or not get paid. I understand that but like honestly just go out to local shows, you know, cut your teeth on doing local shows and load dingy light or low light dingy bars and stuff like that. Honestly, like some of my favorite photos are taken. All right, you know 10,000 ISO and a 40th of a second. I don't know if that's AI don't know if that's the exact numbers, but you don't like some of my favorite photos are in like these teeny dive bars that are like ended up being like super sick shows and like sometimes you know, you never know like what that connection is going to make like I literally was shooting a 80s like an 80's disco party that honestly like I wasn't super hyped about and I ended up meeting like the owner of the venue next door that had who did they go they had against me playing and he was like, yeah senior shooting in there. Like why don't you come and shoot against me. I was like, oh, that'd be sick. So like just little connections like that like going to local shows and like networking and being able to like make these connections and slowly, you know, gaining more more knowledge about your camera and photography and obviously eventually upgrading gear and you know, I think that's how and then once once you're like comfortable with that and you know, you basically build a build a name for The new can create recognition for being a photographer then bands are going to be more likely to pay you if they know that you can create quality stuff consistently and they know hey, you know, you've worked with this band or you've worked with this band. Oh, they said you were really fun to work with our you were pleasure to work with her, you know, they really like your stuff. They recommended you it's all about like making little connections and that's like I don't know that I think that's how you could like start making money is is once you're like, you know have a name for yourself in the local. Seen exactly growing your name in the local scene is one of the best ways to you know, start promoting to start getting business, you know, you just have to get out there and people have to know who you are and like Rob was saying earlier social media can help a lot with with getting your name out there. And you know now there's things like like local ad space marketing online that you can even like throw some money into if you want to get Into it even more if you're trying to do like stuff on a local level look into like Instagram add tools and Facebook ad tools and all that kind of stuff. If you have the money to do that, obviously, if you're just starting out, you're not going to have the money to do that, but it's just another way to grow your business in general. So have you ever been on tour? I have not I did there was this bad actually the band that got me the first after gig they were an opener for Mushroomhead like maybe three or four years ago and they're like, yeah, why don't you come in like take some photos of these shows you could like write in our van and I was like, oh shit, that'd be sick. Like it honestly like I was still pretty new at it. So I was like, I've never done anything like this. This would be awesome. This is going to be huge and then like two days before they were like, yeah. So management said you can't ride in the bus. But if you want you could just like follow the tour I was like what the fuck and I was like and I was like, I mean like this is like a huge opportunity. I gotta do this like and it was there was only it was only like a I don't even know if it's a weekend might have been like five or six days and I was like, yeah, you know what fuck it. I'm just gonna do it like whatever I'll sleep in my car and like that was like so dumb like I should not have done that but you did it. You totally did it. I totally did it. Oh my God. What? Yeah your first Tour Ever you were by yourself chasing the door. Yeah. Yeah and like they I want to say they had a dream. I don't want to say they had a driver to so like I would like hang out with him all day and like take promos and like do all this stuff and then they would like go and get to sleep in the van and I would still have to drive, you know, 400 miles to Bumfuck, Illinois. Yeah, it was honestly like when people ask if I tore like I don't really even consider that because it was like and then honestly like I don't even remember if Or what? I think they just like gave me I think they might have given me gas money because they're like we feel so bad about yeah, they definitely didn't pay me. They their driver was like, yeah, I'll like hook you up with gas. Yeah. I didn't like profit anything. It was I would it was not I would definitely not do that now, but I mean honestly like it was it was a good experience because I like became friends with like a couple of other bands and like actually that's it was Was this band scare? Don't fear and then head PE and mushroom head and now had PE those guys are like some of my favorite like they're like some of my best friends. I just recently shot problems for them. And one of the photos that I took was on a billboard in Bulgaria, like what the hell who would ever thought I never would have met those people if I hadn't done those that five six days with that with that band that's not even a band anymore. Like it's all about those little those little things, you know, you never know how it's going to help you in the future. Wow. I can't believe you did that. I can't believe you you actually did it man. Honestly, I honestly I kind of forgot about it until you ask them like oh shit. Yeah, that's right. I guess I did do that. We've all done little weird things like yeah. I'm yeah, we've all put ourselves in really uncomfortable positions. Yeah, right, you know make a connection or whatever. I mean the first tour I went on our van didn't even have a heat shield in the floor. So we're burning up the whole time. We had holes in them. Socks of the middle of winter the bands are breaking up at the in the tour like oh my God. Oh my God, that's awful. It was a it was quite the first torques. It was seen that I mean now you have now you have a story to talk about an obviously like it was fun because you're laughing about it, you know, exactly and it's like you remember all the little fun moments that because there were actually like Great Moments, you know, it was a great experience traveling the country with these complete strangers and you just ya know them, you know, it's like Elsewhere else what other kind of job gives you that kind of opportunity to just like Trower on the country or strangers. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, there's actually there's a local photographer here. That was that was recently told me about how like he got asked to go on tour by people that he's never met and I was like dude they that concept is so terrifying like what if you guys just like didn't Clash I like, you know, like what if they were super rude or like what if they were like into hardcore drugs and you are straight at her like just like all these like possible things that could happen. He's like, yeah, honestly like I don't even think about it. It's went and now they're like some of my best friends like that's so rad like that's how like music It brings people together like that, you know, you could be literally from like not even the same country and have all these like common interests. I think it's super sick. Yeah, and at the end of the day you're all coming together to watch this band play a show every night and it's like the culmination of your day. Is this show and that's like everyone's release is the show, you know, that's their point after creative Outlet their energetic Outlet, like that's where they go to work, you know, and it's like in the all the other time on Tori you're in a van together you're getting to know each other and I mean like you said what if somebody's you know a hardcore drug addict and your straight edge? Yeah, shake happy like you never know. Yeah. I've been on tour with like people like some awful people. I've been on a couple tours with like really awful people and it's like you don't have a choice you have to deal with it. You have to live through it and you have to struggle through it and like it can either tear you down and destroy you. Or it can make you grow as a person and you can learn from those experiences. Yeah, how did you cuz like I I've got a couple tour offers that like I didn't take but like how did you deal with like, you know, you're like, let's just say like the you guys have like, you know clashing opinions on something. How do you personally like deal with that? um So I'm at my best policy is to actually communicate about it. But if if you're dealing with somebody that doesn't communicate with words, they just communicate with like anger or like talking behind your back. Like I've dealt with somebody that just talked shit about me to the entire towards awful just which is like what the fuck were trying to work here and it's exactly why would you why would you do that? Because now these people think like a certain thing of And maybe that wasn't even true maybe people were like on my side the whole time. I just don't know right? All I know is that this person was like talking shit about me and I was trying to do my job and I thought I was doing my job properly. So we had to get like we had to get the company involved and like all this stuff. You know, Michael. Yeah. It's and we had to get like the head of tour involved which like you never want to go to production for anything because like right that means that it's like real shit. You know, so right that's when I get serious. Yeah, and I mean talk about like mental mental struggles Mental Health on the road like that that will seriously break you down. You have to live with these people and you're not getting along with them like imagine, you know, like and like I said, we just have to you just have to go through it and you just have to try to survive it and just communicate and you know, like some people like I said earlier like don't want to communicate They just want to be angry about it, right? So yeah, I mean it's hard it's hard to deal with different personalities. But I mean on tour that's you learn a lot about yourself and you learn a lot about other people for sure. Yeah. I think that's that would that would be something hard that I would have to do with is like I think for the most part I get along with everybody pretty well, but like, you know, there's there's some things that like really set me off that. I don't know how I'd how I'd handle that. Yeah, you definitely learn learn how to cope with different personalities, but it can definitely be hard. It's definitely one of the harder things of tour is, you know dealing with that it can it can tear down an entire Camp, you know, just having one one fight can tear down the entire Camp. So it's like it's like It's hard to explain to her but it's got its ups and downs just like any other thing in life, you know, but do you would you ever consider going on tour again? Like a proper tour or yeah, do you want to like stay home? Yeah, there's a I got some things in the work for next year that I'm that aren't totally ironed out yet. But yeah, I would love to if nothing else is just say that I did it like I was I was supposed to A part of the sad summer tour this past summer and I basically like went to my boss and my day job and was like Hey, so I got this incredible opportunity to go on this tour this summer. It's three weeks long. I'm going to need that time off and I get three weeks paid vacation of my work and I lost is essentially like yeah. No, I'm not going to give it to you and I was like dude like I this is literally like a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity like this is this is huge like I'm in there. I may never get this opportunity again, and he was like, yeah, so here's the This is in like January February and like said summer tour is like I don't know like May June July issue somewhere around there. So it was like months in advance is like I was asking him like a week before he goes. Yes. So sorry, he goes. Yeah, either you stay and we'll give you a raise or if you decide to take the tour. We're going to fire you on Friday and I was like what like, okay. Well, I guess I'm going to stay and like to be honest like I told you no like I told the people from said summer like yeah, I'm totally gonna do this and then like when the tour came I was just going to quit because like I you know, sometimes you got to take those risks and like do the tour and like, you know other stuff will work out eventually, you know, like I would beat myself up if I turned down especially a huge tour like that just for like a nine to five, you know, yeah, I would I would love to do I would love to tour just like if nothing else suggests like when I'm older be like, oh yeah toured with so So and so and like tell my kids like who knows maybe they'll like the band or whatever. But yeah, I think I think I'd be sick. I'd love to do it. Yeah, man, I'm itching to get back out in 2020. I've done a couple tours and I feel like I've taken time off that I didn't want to take off of touring like I wish I had continued touring but the opportunities weren't there at the time and so it's like now I'm trying to refine those opportunities and trying to get back into that. Tour to the touring world really trying to get my name back in it. So it's like it's hard to get back in but I'm excited for 2020 and I think I've got a couple offers so I'm stoked. Correct me if I'm wrong. You did warped her a year to right. Yeah, I did. So I did I did a few days back in 2014. And then in 2017. I was the alternative press correspondent. That's right. Yeah. It was amazing dude warped or was everything. I thought it was going to be it was crazy good. It was crazy bad. It was hot. It was cold. It was it was everything man. It was a it was quite quite the life experience. But oh my God, I had so much fun. And if it was happening again next year, I would beg Kevin Lyman to have me on it. Yeah that I think I think honestly like this past summer like made me think about like now that we're up here is like actually like officially gone like How sad it is that like all these people like so many people in the in music industry not just photographers or video people like so many people like got their start in at Warped Tour like like I know it's probably been talked about like a hundred times, but Eminem was on Warped Tour and like Blink-182 and like Katy Perry and all these like huge huge huge artists like started on Warped Tour and like that. It's like a huge bummer that that's not like a thing anymore that like people don't you know, they don't have that. That creative Outlet to be able to go out and work to her and do whatever 52 dates and play all these Super Rad shows. But yeah, I don't see like like for for photographers and like creators I think like they're I think a lot of us probably wouldn't have gotten into it if it wasn't for up to her at least in my opinion. Like I know I'd never would have if it wasn't for work to her if it wasn't like, you know, the things that led up to work to her. It sucks to see a go. Yeah, it's it's really the end of a legacy, you know, like it's hard to see something like that end. I mean what are people going to do in the summer? Like what are we going to do? Yeah. I actually just saw on Facebook the other day that Mayhem tour is coming back. Not that that's like a replacement or anything. But like that's still like a you know, like a cool huge Festival. Yeah Mayhem is a good one for sure. And I think like I don't know if saw a rock stars disrupt Fest that they did last. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That was actually yeah, I went to the Chicago one here that the venue that they played at the Hollywood Casino Amphitheatre is one of the venues that hope that it has like a contract with Live Nation with so I met every one of the shows there and that was like it was it was good, but it just didn't have like warped her Vibes like yeah, a lot of the bands are super sick, but like it wasn't like it's like this kind of Feels familiar but like it doesn't feel like work to her. Like it's not like it doesn't have like that warped or sense of community. It least from my experience. Yeah, I think that's what a lot of people said about. It just seemed like a quick just a festival they put together not it didn't have that like family feeling to it and that might be because it's new. Yeah, I feel like work to her probably if I had to guess probably wasn't like it was at the end when it started. I feel like they're probably wasn't that huge sense of community because like obviously all these people that have been doing, you know, 15 or 20 or whatever years of war. They've they've like grown huge relationships with all these other people that have been doing it and they're I think that's like a huge part of like what like the the community aspect of it obviously would disrupt Fest being the first year. Most of those people probably don't have the connections with the other people. So maybe that's a part of it. But I mean, hopefully somebody can either like revive warped or like Franz was saying that he wants to talk to Kevin Lyman about possibly Reviving Warped Tour and I I posted the other day a clip from the podcast I did with Kevin Lyman and he was literally talking about Franz and he was like man that guy like people aren't going to go through their whole life saying suck my fuck but man he's figured it out and he's yeah smart guy and he's like such a genuine dude. It's crazy man. But yeah, I mean, hopefully somebody can either revive it or something new can come out and definitely no bring us back together and bring the family back together. You know, I think it would be It would be cool to have something that's like Warped tour again where bands are touring all summer. And I think I think it'll happen. It's just got to take time. Maybe I don't know. Maybe you will be surprised in 2020. Maybe somebody will show up with something exciting here in the next few months and and announce something. So let me ask you this. Have you ever been screwed over on any jobs? Yes, I there's a there's a festival that that hired me a couple of years ago to do some photo stuff and they didn't pay me, but they gave me some extra tickets. I was like, okay, whatever. That's fine. Like I've never worked with them before so like I understand the fact that they don't want to, you know, give me 500 bucks for a thousand bucks or whatever, you know. Suppose I understand that I was going to go anyway, so I was like, okay, whatever like they're giving me an you know, three other people tickets. Oh, that's sick. So I did all this content for them. As far as I know. They really liked it. They like, you know posted a bunch of it. It was on their website and all this stuff and like throughout the year throughout the year after that. They like their marketing director would text me. Sorry text me sometimes Saying like oh, yeah, like I love I love these photos or I love I love these photos that you did like like with shoots that I just posted and then like maybe two or three weeks before the Fest the next year. I'm basically I was under the impression that they were going to hire me back the next year because like that's that's what they'd been telling me telling me all year. Like that's they told me like at the end of the festival and then like assuming you're like because they told me like how much I like myself. I guess. I just assumed that they were going to hire me again the next year. So I didn't apply for press like through a publication and like two weeks before I texted one of the people there and it's like hey, so just wanted to like confirm that you still want me to do this and they're like, oh no, sorry. We actually we hired a group of five people from LA to come out and do it and we're like, well, they didn't tell me this what I heard, you know through the grapevine that they they hired a group of people to come out to LA and pay them and you know paid for their flight all that stuff. It's like, okay. Well, can you guys like like at least like help me out like cuz now like so this fast they like if you submit through publication and they deny you because there's so many people that apply they give you two free tickets. At least that's what I've heard. I haven't I had never shot the festival like through publication there, but they give you two free tickets. I was like, okay. So since the Press things already like closed because it was so close to the vessels. Like, is there any way I can get a photo pass and like not do that in there. No, sorry, I was like, okay cool. Like I guess like is there any chance like you can like honor a ticket? Because like, you know, that's what happens if I were to apply through press and I were to get denied and they're like no sorry and I was like, okay what the hell so now I got to spend, you know, 200 dish dollars to go like I ended up I ended up getting in through another friend but like I didn't shoot or anything, but it's like that was like, I literally like didn't apply for press and had been tailing. Everybody. Yeah, I'm doing this again. Like it's going to be sick and then I just didn't happen and I was like, okay, I guess I guess I could part of that suck a miscommunication on me. I probably should have followed up before that but still like it was like it was shitty and then they did like after shows that at other venues like in Chicago and the the pr person from that venue was like, yeah, so they have to approve all the photographers and for whatever reason they denied you for every All the after-show, there's like three or four after shows and you're the only person that they got that they denied the whole weekend and I was like, yeah and I was like, oh, okay. I don't know who I pissed off. But like wow, I didn't mean to you know, I mean so like like that wasn't necessarily like I didn't necessarily like lose money on that but it was like, okay so like that's like really shooting now and the thing that sucks about the after shows is like I was getting higher that guy was getting paid and then I got denied so it's like, okay, let's select Like what do I do? Now? You know what? I mean? Like that's to me that's not cool, but I don't know that that happened and then like and then like there was a there was another company that will remain unnamed that was known for not paying photographers and videographers that had me after shoot a show and and never paid me for that and then ask for the high res files the high res file of one of the photos because they Use it as a tour poster and in our agreement it said that we would agree on a price for whatever it was. So I told one price and I really don't even remember what it was. I want to say it's like 500 bucks and they agreed to it and then I just never got paid and I got ghosts it ever since and I still haven't got paid for that whether they use their not whether they use it or not. I don't know but I sent them the file. Yeah, so I guess that that is like one of those things like you live and you learn like I probably should have said in the file so I got paid but like I don't know. At the time you were like, they'll pay me for sure. Yeah, exactly because like it was like a very well-known and and I don't say at the time I didn't know that they were like that. They've kind of been like getting a bad reputation for not paying people like I had no idea I was like naive to that and you know now I the more you know, I guess yeah, totally there are a few Publications out there that are known for not paying their photographers so I would put them on blast but I I want to be that person and yeah, exactly. That's why would it doing the remain nameless? Yes. It sucks because like people are going to fall for it. It's going to keep happening, you know until somebody calls them out and I feel like should we call them out but I don't want you know, I don't want to be there. They don't get blacklisted to I don't want to get blacklisted. You know what I mean? But we all know you're out there. We know you're not paying your photographers so it so if you're listening to this pay your photographers guys, come on pay your people. If you tell someone you're going to pay them pay them. Come on. It's simple paper invoices pay your invoices. So who are some of your favorite bands that you've photographed also have are all to all-time favorite bands under oath and Devil Wears Prada, and I've been lucky enough to shoot both of their shows like multiple times under oath. Probably my favorite show I've ever shot. They played at this teeny teeny teeny venue. I want to say it's like maybe Cap like right before they released actually, I think it might even be on the release day for their most recent album erase me. So they played it was supposed to be like just like a I guess like some kind of radio event that where they were just going to invite like all these radio stations and play like this. Like, I don't know if it was going to be like acoustic or whether they were just going to play to like these industry professionals essentially and apparently they were just like, yeah fuck that. We're gonna somehow how like you had to go and wait in line and they gave out 200 tickets 200 200 like I remember their wristbands or what but I was at work and I literally like couldn't get off work until like a half an hour before the show. And so I had my friend go and she was able to get two wristbands and then I was able to go and like shoot the show and that was just like one of the one of the coolest things one of my favorite photos that were taken was from that show actually, but yeah, that was that was a huge one and then I've done stuff with I've shot Snoop Dogg before and that that was like that was like a huge thing because like that was like pretty early on in like my photo quote unquote career. If you want to say and going back to like the making the connections, I literally got the got the contact for that gig because I like the really added some dude on Facebook and he was he posted like photos from like Snoop Dogg and Wiz Khalifa and I was like, Yo, that's sick and we just like got to talking and he's like yeah, here's the contact and then I was able to shoot because of that like those little connections. So yeah, that was that was super sick the the under oath the super sick. I totally just blank and then I did it wasn't it was a show but it was more of like a nightclub type thing. I shot some stuff for fetty WAP the rapper and like that's not exactly like my my music taste but that was that was really sick. He was like super nice and just like really really accommodating and it was like in this just packed. I mean way way way over capacity nightclub and Like standing in line outside before and the dude in front of you had to buy a bottle service to get in is what it was because it was like sold out sold out. Yeah and the dude in front of me paid $1,500 cash to get in and I literally was like, yes, I'm a photographer. I'm supposed to be shooting for fetty WAP and he's like, okay, you're good bro did even ask for my ID. Nothing to do Pat me down. Like I was wearing like a suit. I was like wearing a suit and stuff but like it was it was sick and like yeah, I mean like obviously I He's actually working for him. So it wasn't like a big deal. But like it's kind of scary to like he just didn't even ask me any questions. But yeah, it was that was pretty rad to wow. You just got to stroll on in and just yeah, yeah. Sometimes that's how it works. You know, I talked to this girl Lindsay learner on the podcast a couple seasons ago and she ended up being the TM and assisting Watsky on a couple tours on warps and she met him just by like sneaky into basically she went through an open door and she was like, oh yeah Watsky was on stage and there I was and then I had a camera and then I met his tour manager and then a store manager. Gave me a job a couple of years later. It's crazy crazy. That's sick. Yeah, but that's awesome know sometimes you just gotta be in the right place the right time but definitely yeah, he's probably should have pat you down at least or like Checkers. Yeah. Yeah, like recently like like honestly like have some blues like this here to guards here. Like like, oh you got a photo pass your good and the one time I was like, no dude you need to checks me. Check me like that might that freaks me out because like just because I have a photo past doesn't mean that I don't have a knife or a gun or a bomb. I mean like you should still check me. I have a camera bag check to make sure that there's nothing in there. Yeah, exactly. Like like I could this could be filled with you know guns are Dynamite or what? You know what I mean? Like there's a thousand things that could be you should check me just because I have photo past doesn't mean that I'm not you know, like that shouldn't give me a free pass. I mean, yeah, they should just be more thorough. I I've also talked to like security guards on here and they they can't stress enough safety at shows and how Especially like other countries like in Europe thus their a bit more relaxed on like security and stuff. And so it's like I can't imagine trying to just you know, go on a tour in a foreign country and then they don't even do security at most of their shows. They're like, that's crazy to me. I would freak me out. Yeah. Yeah, it would freak me out like so much. Yeah. I'm I'm huge on safety, you know, especially when around crowds like I have like big crowd anxiety. It's like I got to know what's going on and like if we're not safe there's a huge problem, you know? Yeah. So yeah security guards. You should definitely be checking photographers bags that is a must because it's a bag at the end of the day. You know, what yeah exactly is the camera could be anything shit and there was actually like so I my dad was I work in a machine shop and there was a couple of times where I did get patted down and I had like a knife and like a box Her obviously, I didn't have bad intentions but like I was patted down and they still didn't catch that. I'm like to like, how did you not like this is like a big knife. Like, how did you not how did you not catch that? That's awful. It makes you think twice about it, you know? Yeah definitely. So what do you hope for your future your photography future like what are your plans and your goals? I would I would love to tour even if it's just like one or two tours like I would love to do that. And honestly, I want to I want to do more weddings and like a big goal for me. And in 2020 is working more directly with artists instead of like going through their PR and management like like that to sound cocky or anything, but I feel like I'm at the point now where I can like create. I can create what I want to create in just about any situation. So I want to be able to like make like it's one thing like shooting a show. Yeah, that's sick. Like I want to be able to like make art with these artists. Like I want to like have them be like, yeah, I got this idea. Let's like let's go out and do it. You know, like I want to like work more directly with them. So I hope to do that morning in 2020 and and Beyond between that and like I've been booking like International weddings to which is like super sick. I got one in Puerto Rico and then I just Going to Germany. So I'd like to like to travel more doing doing photos. Like it's kind of crazy like this is going off on a little tangent. Like it's kind of crazy. Like how many like rad things that has happened or like that I've been able to do in my life because of a like literally just a camera like I've been able to go to Hawaii. I've been able to meet so many friends like all these all these different amazing people in my life is all just because of a camera but yeah, so that was like a hundred tangent. But yeah. I just want to keep doing it as much as I physically can. It's a podcast podcast. They're made for tangents. Dude. You're supposed to go off on tangents. That's what makes these better. I've been like trying to not go off on a ton of fun because like you could ask me one thing about like, oh, yeah. What camera do you shoot with that? I'd be like, oh, yeah. So the weather today go totally off on a tangent. What is something you know now that you wish you knew when you started. Oh, that's a good question. I think when I first started I was very like skeptical about talking to other people. It shows like whether it be photographers are security guards or whatever now I do that all the time. I try to talk to everybody. I feel like I'm like a broken record repeating myself. Like it's all about the connections but like honestly like just talk to people like it's it's at the end of the day talking to people is not that hard. You never know like like how that's going to help you or how you could help them in the future, you know, like just make those connections. Aaron's I think is is huge and like honestly like you just gotta ask sometimes like like for instance. I was shooting Summerfest in Milwaukee over the summer and it was for publication, but they put me in direct contact with this country artist his tour manager. And after I was done shooting the third song I just texting was like hey, do you need anything else and it ended up being they let me shoot from stage the whole time and then I did like a quick portrait session and then Then they asked me about my availability for tour. So like sometimes it's literally just like about asking because I okay. What's the worst thing? They could have said the worst thing that he could have said that was no we're good. Like thanks for the photos like just asking and like being available making yourself available. It's like huge because sometimes they need contact. What if they don't have a Content like what if they don't have somebody on tour? They're looking for somebody, you know, just putting it out there and offering it and being like confident in in what you can do. I think we'll get you. So far absolutely, man, and thank you for that. That was a great answer to that question. It's my favorite question to ask all of my guests because the answers are always so insightful, you know, it's we learn a lot throughout our careers and it's nice to it's very inspiring to hear that kind of stuff. I actually have one more thing to add to that. It's just it sounds kind of ridiculous and probably like is it like what I should be saying? But like if you act like, you know what you're doing nine times out of ten people won't question you like there's been times where I've literally just pretended like I like I was supposed to be there but like II didn't have the proper credentials or whatever like physically on me. I was like shooting. Okay, so I was shooting the show a couple days ago and I had AA but for whatever reason the sticky came off of me and I Really just acted like I was supposed to be there and nobody said anything like like if you if you act like you're working and you're being like a professional for me at least nine times out of ten people are gonna like, you know respect you and like take your word for stuff. Yep. You're totally right. I did a show a couple weeks ago and I was supposed to have PhotoPass all the passes I needed. I was supposed to have everything but I ended up getting none of them look like like they didn't they didn't have them or like they were with this person or there were supposed to be at the end. I had to go to this gate and this gate and I was like, you know, what fuck this and I just like met the escort and I was like, hey, I'm here to shoot the show and I just got escorted everywhere, you know, and I mean if you're if you're working and you're acting like you're working and you know what you're doing then you're probably going to get you can going to get the job done. It's it's a lot about like how you how you hold yourself. Like if people look as you would like. Oh, this is Just you know some kid trying to see his new show with the camera. Like obviously they're not going to let you in then but if you like, hey, I'm here. I'm trying to do my job. Like just let me like, you know XYZ happened. I'm literally just trying to do my job. Let me do this like a my experiences. They've been pretty cool about that cool. So if people want to find you ask you questions higher you where can they go? What can they do? How can they get in touch with you? My socials are Rob Haberman h a b as in boy, ERM a n and In photo and yeah, that's and then on Facebook it just robbed haverman photography, and then my website is just Rob haverman.com pretty pretty easy. No branding just the name. All right. We are one step closer to episode 100. Thank you guys again for listening to this episode of project freelance. I truly appreciate you taking the time out of your day and night weekend commute. I appreciate you. Thank you for listening to project Finance without you there wouldn't be a Because why would I be doing this if nobody was listening to it why that would be the saddest? So thank you for listening to my voice every single week. I appreciate it. And I hope that this podcast helps you guys. I hope it helps you in some way and it has helped me and it's helped me Network and it's helped me build relationships with people that I never never thought. I would have relationships with so thank you guys for allowing me to do this every week and Eating me broadcast it into your ear holes. This is going to be on the internet forever. And that's crazy to think about, you know, I've done so much content. I've made so many things I've taken so many photos made so many videos I've written so many blogs like I've made so much music. I've done so many music covers, you know, I've done so many things on the internet and it's been I've been doing this since since I first got my space. Now I've been doing this forever. And so I think the internet is always somewhere that I will find myself at home. Even though I'm putting myself out there. You know it for the world to see you know, but I think it's that connection that I crave and you know, I wish that somehow we could all just meet up every week and do this podcast in person. I need to get out of the house more definitely so maybe in 2020, I'll do some podcasts with people in person and And yeah, we'll see. We'll see what happens. But thank you for listening. I'll chat with you guys next week on Project freelance. My name is Kay and I go Neo, you can follow me at can we go Neo on Instagram and Twitter All My Links will be down in the description and I have a book out right now called No tracers and our Urban explorers diary. It's about abandoned buildings in the places I explore and it's got really cool photographs inside. So if you guys want to pick up a copy, that would be sick. It's really cool book. I'm really proud of it. So yeah. Thank you. Alright. Talk to you next week.

This week on Project Freelance I am so excited to have Rob Haberman on as a guest! Rob is a live music photographer and a wedding photographer who resides in Chicago. In this episode we dive into Rob's photography story, which began when he got a press pass for Vans Warped Tour. Like many others, Warped Tour was the place to be if you wanted to be a live music photographer, and in this episode you'll hear what Rob's Warped Tour experience was like and how it gave him the path to a career. We also touch on the mental health side of freelancing, which I think is so important to discuss. I'm so grateful that these guests are so open about their experiences and that they're willing to share them with this audience. I'm sure a lot of you also deal with self-doubt like I do, so I wanted to see if Rob had any advise on how to overcome that. This is quite the episode!

This podcast is brought to you and made possible by generous financial aid from Peter kanzler K. Ay n z l-- e-- r-- you can buy his Amazon books at your favorite Amazon Branch, for example, the original texts of lock Hobbs and the US Constitution of Pennsylvania put together into one book for only $15. Thanks for listening. Well after all that. So welcome to psychology 2:30. Nice to see you all here. So what I'm going to do today, oh I'm going to start is I'm going to give you an overview of the content of the course and then I'll give you an overview of the class requirements right at the end, but I think we might as well jump right into the content to begin with so There's a website. I don't really like Blackboard. So I have my own website. You can go to Jordan Peter Jordan be Peterson.com and underneath there. There's a menu that lists all the courses and the full syllabus is listed there. So all the information that you're going to need about the course can be found there including most of the readings. Although there is also a text book, which I presume majority of you have already purchased. So it also lists the other things that you need to know like what days the tests are going to be and what the assignments are and I'll go over that anyways at the end of the class. So but to begin with I'm going to tell you what the course is about so you can decide whether you're in the right class or not. So personality is a somewhat peculiar field of study in Psychology because it spans a number of Sub disciplines that aren't particularly well suited to one another. so For example its fans. Clinical Psychology and experimental psychology And it also spans. An approach that is associated fundamentally with single individuals. With an approach that analyzes individual characteristics in large groups, which is generally what you have to do in experimental psychology. It's also a relatively strange admixture of philosophy and I would say engineering and medicine as well as science and you might think of medicine as a science but it's not and the reason that it's not is because it's concerned with the promotion of health and health is not a scientific category. It's a category that can't help but be value-laden because you have to decide what constitutes health health and what constitutes illness or what constitutes wellness and what constitutes pathology and there's no way you That without bringing value judgments into the equation. It's particularly true in Psychology because when you're thinking about what a healthy personality might be you generally don't merely think in terms of the absence of pathology you think in terms of the presence of positive traits, right? It's someone who's fully healthy mentally and physically while the psychologists especially the humanistic psychologists from the 60s might consider someone who's truly psychologically healthy self actualized which would mean in some sense that they've been able to develop the entirety of their positive potential whatever that is. So because of these peculiarities personality psychology the course, of course in personality psychology has to be pretty wide-ranging and so this course is in fact wide-ranging it. It brings in elements of cultural history elements of moral philosophy and then elements that I would consider almost completely biological and it does that in order to provide you with a multi-dimensional view of what it means to be a human being. I have some other principles that I abide by well I'm teaching this course as well. And one of those is that I don't really want to tell you about anything that I don't think you will find useful and useful like there's a difference between a fact and a useful fact, right? There's lots of facts you can go on Google and you can drown yourself in facts. I'm sure you do that every day, but you For fact to me is one that transforms the way that you look at the world or the way that you act in the world in some manner that you find beneficial and so another way of describing useful from that perspective is relevant. And so one of the principles I abide by is that I don't really want to teach you anything that isn't relevant and my criteria for Relevant is first, is it going to make a difference to you personally? So are the things that you learn? Immediately meaningful to how you interact with the world. And then the second is is there some evidence that the facts that you're going to be that you're going to be presented with actually have some social utility or some political utility or some economic utility so that the fact that you know them makes a difference to the way that you act in a way that also affects the people around you. and so it's for those multiple reasons that I brought together the material that I have brought together. Now, that means that there's some factors that you have to take into account. Before you take this course and there's another personality course being given at exactly the same time. Well, I don't this semester anyways, and so it may be that that one's more suitable for you than this one. I don't know but I can tell you what this one's going to be like and so if that isn't what you want or if that's not what you're interested in then you probably shouldn't take this course. So the first issue is that there's a lot of reading. there isn't as much reading is there used to be in this course by the way, but there's still a lot of reading and a lot of that's original Source material Both from the personality theorists themselves. And then also original Source material from empirical papers. So I would say that not only is there a lot of reading but the readings actually quite difficult. I think it's useful given the way I already defined utility to you. And so I believe that reading what I present to you is going to be good for you, but if you don't have time to do a lot of reading then you're going to find this course frustrating. so there's also because of the emphasis on clinical theoreticians, which is a major part of personality theory, especially the more classical personality theory which by the way is generally the elements of personality theory that most students are most interested in there's a lot of what I would consider philosophical material and the reason it's philosophical is because it's concerned with how a person should live. And that's a much different question than what a person is. So it's how a person should live or perhaps how a person might transform themselves or act in order to transform themselves so that their personality is well for lack of a better word better. Now you can substitute healthier for better but in a context like the one we're discussing the differences trivial really so then the last thing that I would caution you against is that I Don't lecture from the reading material. So often I'm not exactly sure even what I'm going to tell you when I come to class. I know the material but I don't want to stick to a prescribed outline. I want to talk to you about the things that I think are important and so with luck that'll make the lectures worth attending and worth listening to but if you are more inclined from a temperamental perspective, Do you want a course where things are laid out in a very orderly fashion and they progress in a linear fashion and it's predictable and the lectures reflect the reading material then this is not a good course for you. And so I would presume that would be the case if your orderly and by the way, that's one of the subdivisions of the Big Five personality trait model and orderly people tend to be conscientious but they like things cut and dried and laid out in linear fashion. I'm not that orderly. I'm You're in openness and openness is a creative Dimension and open people tend to use relatively loose associations when they speak and to cover a wide amount of territory. And so some people will like that if you like Reading literature, for example, you probably like this course if you don't then you probably won't so anyways, that's pretty much enough for the warnings. So now I'll tell you what we're going to talk about. one of the things that makes human beings unique Is the fact that we're self-conscious? Now you'll see ethologists are people who study animal behavior do relatively Elementary tests of self-consciousness on animals. So one of the most famous demonstrations of such self-consciousness is the mirror test and so in the mirror test what you essentially do is you take an animal maybe a chimp or maybe a three year old child and you put a lipstick mark on their forehead or on their nose and then you show them a reflection of themselves in the mirror and if Wipe off or gesture towards the lipstick Mark then you can make the presumption that they understand that sits them that's being reflected in the mirror or at least they understand that well enough so that they can using the mirror as a guide to action with their with their hand or whatever it is that they happen to be pointing with and the reflection now Dolphins seem to be able to manage that there are some members of the corvid family. So those are basically crows and ravens though. Things are really smart and they seem to possess rudimentary self-consciousness. I said dolphins cetaceans in general so Wales, although I don't know with all whales are self-conscious because it's for example difficult to get a mirror big enough to show a blue whale human beings that's about it. Now, I don't think that's a very good definition of self-consciousness really because the mere fact that you can recognize yourself and it's also not fair to some animals like dogs, right because dog would need a smell mirror really because and most animals are very very smell predicated. Most of the brain is is structured with a olfactory system has its core unlike us really because our brains are structured with the visual system at the core and that makes this rather peculiar, but so it's a little unfair to animals like dogs or any rats that I primarily on olfaction to orient themselves the world but thing is I don't think that's really a very good definition of self-consciousness. It's very rudimentary. You might say well that's the first sort of step to being self-conscious because if you're fully self-conscious, I think you need two more things. You need the capacity to imitate which is a much more important capacity that people generally realize if in fact I would say it's a equivalent importance it's of equivalent importance to Which in fact I'm not even sure that you could use language. If you can't imitate. First of all, obviously all the words you use are also the words that other people use. Otherwise, you're not going to be very comprehensible. So even the mere fact that you do speak means that you're relying on invitation to get your point across. So you need invitation and the reason you need invitation is because once you can imitate you can use your body as a representational structure to represent the world and other people you can even use your body as a representational structure to represent yourself, which you might do. For example, if you're telling a joke at a dinner party, and then you, you know act out a self parody and everyone laughs so And then with regards to language while language obviously enables you to build sophisticated models of the world that are well articulated to exchange those with other people and to think okay. So in order to be self-conscious you have to be able to recognize that you exist in this physical envelope at least here. Now you need to be able to imitate because that's partly how you come to understand yourself and other creatures like you which is a very important part of being self-conscious right? I mean everything Learn about any of you is also going to help me understand the sort of creature that I am whether that's for good or for evil and then with language. Well, not only can we articulate our representations about each other in the world, but we can also store those articulated representations over very very very very long spans of time. And we do that partly in ritual which is the acting out of a representation and we do that partly with regards to stories which are in some sense an Articulated representation of an acting out right because you can think of a story as a drama. So a drama is behavior representing behavior and then a story is an articulated representation of a drama. Now, we have very old rituals and we have very very old stories. And so part of what we do in this course as we go back to as close to the beginning as we can possibly manage to start to understand how people have Stood themselves and represented themselves across the span of human history. And we're doing that because we want to be able to put our current knowledge in some kind of historical context and part of the reason for that is well, one of the things that characterizes the human personality is that it's a historical phenomenon. You know, I'm sure you've heard in many classes that much of what makes up. Your personality is a cultural construct. Well whether or not much of it is They're not isn't really the issue. Certainly. Some of it is an important part. You're a cultural creature. And that means that you have emerged within a tradition that's been shaped. And in any number of ways by an extraordinarily lengthy historical past historical and biological and so what that means in part is that if you don't understand, You're history. And that's your history as it matters, not necessarily some collection of facts, then you don't understand yourself. So, you know human beings in their self conscious form. We don't really know how old we are more or less biologically or genetically identical creatures to us existed at least a hundred and fifty thousand years ago, but we seem to have discovered fire and we're able to master it maybe two million years ago, you know, and that required a fair. end of intelligence and there are there are artifacts that indicate a fair high level of cultural capacity that are at least 50,000 years old. So we can't really say when we got fully self-conscious and perhaps we might also say that we're not even fully self conscious yet because you know, really what the hell do you know about yourself? You know, you're really really really really complicated and at best you have a partial model of who you are and that thing fails all the time which as you can tell because you're always doing things that surprise you. Often not in a particularly positive way. So there's no end of Mystery. anyways The upshot of all this is that we're going to establish the context first. That's a historical context and I want to do that two ways. The first thing I want to do is to talk to you about mythological representations of personality and that's more important than you might think. In fact, it's probably more important than you do think by myth what I mean is The representations of human beings in extremely long lasting and persistent stories. And so some of those are the stories that are found in various religious Traditions, but there's oral Traditions that surround those religious Traditions just you know, assuming that the religious Traditions are written down and there's Fairytales and that sort of thing and standard narratives that people use to guide themselves as they move through the world and most of the clinical Cool theories that we're going to discuss so Freud's theory and Jung's theory and the theory of the existentialists and the phenomenologist sin the humanists and so forth are variants of those mythological stories. Now part of the reason for that is that Nietzsche said once that a philosopher was seldom anything other than the unconscious advocate of their cultural worldview. So what he meant by that was you already come to the sea, but the set of presuppositions now some of those are embedded in your behavior. So for example, when you walk when you attend a funeral, you know how to behave he generally you're quiet and solemn you might not be able to explicate the rules that a person should follow at a funeral but you can do it now. You could perhaps articulate them impress, but it's not like you're following those rules when you go to a funeral you just know what to do. If someone pressed you you could turn it into a List of rules, but it's really more encoded in your actual Behavior. You just automatically know what to do. You can tell you know, when you whenever you interact with someone who's really socially fluent you can tell that they're not consciously processing the way that they're acting. Otherwise, they're they're self-conscious and awkward. They're just very fluid. It's automatized behavior and it's coded right into them. So if you're a great philosopher then According to Nietzsche at least what you do is you take a look at how you act and what you think and then you say well this is what it's like it's not so much that you're inventing new ideas. It's that you're articulating the nature of structures that are already there. So you can imagine for example, imagine that you're particularly interested in wolves. And so you won't you study some wolves and one of the things you see is that the wolves have a dominance hierarchy. So there's there's a leader and then there is struggle in the pack to see who's going to be the dominant leader now, there's Couple of problems with that which is that, you know, if wolf a and wolf be fight and they're pretty evenly matched and they tear each other to shreds then we'll see is going to come in and pound both of them and that's not a particularly useful strategy for Wolf are for Wolf B+. Then the Pack loses the power of wolf and wolf be and so that's harder useful at all. So what's happened is that wolves have evolved dominance and submission strategies so that they can figure out who is going to lead and who is going to follow Without having to engage in the kind of physical combat that's going to result in damage. And so usually what happens is that the two wolves face off. You've probably seen caps do this when they encounter each other, you know out on the street. The first thing they do is sort of turn sideways and they puff themselves up, right and they danced back and forth. It's quite comical. But what the Caps trying to do is look big and exposed to try to make the other tap nervous enough to leave and so what wolves do is roughly the same thing they puff out so they look big and they make all sorts of ferocious noises. And they threatened each other and usually what happens is one wolf will lose his nerve flop down roll over show his throat and that basically means something like I'm useless and and you know and pathetic and you can tear out my throat if you want because of that and the other wolf, thanks. Yeah, you are a pretty useful and pathetic but you know, we're going to need you tomorrow to hunt down a deer. So, you know, you can get up and protect your miserable self and that'll be okay. Now if you were watching that you might say Wells Follow rules, but of course, they don't that's just how wolves act when you describe what the wolves are doing. Then you turn it into a rule but it wasn't a rule to begin with it was just a pattern of Behavior. Now human beings are like that. We're chock full of patterns of behavior. And they're they're they're the consequence of our biology which is something we'll talk about in depth in the last half of the course and they're a consequence of our culture and they're built into our bodies like every every time you interact with another person. They're telling you how to behave right? Don't be too obtuse. Try to be a little bit witty have something interesting to say don't be too annoying if you're going to say something funny make sure it's funny. Take turns while you talk play. Sleep take your turn don't eat all the bread, etc, etc. You know and so if you don't abide by those rules, then people lift their eyebrow at you or they don't smile at your jokes, or they don't look at you or they roll their eyes when you come in, which is really not a good sign by the way and you get punished severely for it. And then if you do act like they would like you to act, you know, then people smile at you and there they invite you to their place for dinner and you know, maybe you have an intimate relationship. Relationship and some people that like you and so were exchanging information about how we should manifest ourselves in our bodies with every possible interaction and what that means. Is that shapes the way that we act out. The problem is or Hartley is that you don't really understand the consequences of that like you can act it out more or less depending on your social skill and the degree to which you have been exposed to other people, but that doesn't mean you're a conscious that you have that you can consciously articulate all the rules that That and if you think that maybe you can well fine, you know, imagine a well-behaved four-year-old, you know by for you've got a lot of the social rules down because by for you can play with others if you're ever going to be able to you can already do it by the time you're for if you can't by the time your for you are in serious trouble because other kids won't play with you and then they won't teach you how to act and then you stay in mature and isolated and you know off in your little corner. Dejected and bitter for the rest of your life. Now, you know, you might think that's a little rough, but it's not that's what the that's what the data indicate. So so anyways what this means in part is well, we've been shaping how all of us behave as long as we've been social. Now you might say well, how long have we been social well? Crustaceans are social so lobsters, for example Organize themselves into dominance hierarchies and they modify each other's behavior. And that's 400 million years. So we've been social and living in groups. since our ancestors Departed on The evolutionary timescale from the ancestors of lobsters. So that's very very very long time. There weren't any trees around back then so social life is older than trees. So you can be sure that your adapted to it in a major way. So it's built into your biology, but then there's the historical element of the two and it's quite We're quite flexible from a cultural perspective. So there's an example this guy named Robert sapolsky who I really like. He's a great scientist. He went off to Africa to study baboons. And baboons are not pleasant generally speaking there they fight a lot. They're bullies. They bite they can really bite a baboon. Like a predatory cat will think twice about taking on a baboon. They've got major teeth and their their temperament is not particularly positive sapolsky went and studied a group of baboons and they were engaged in typical baboon gang behavior for a see each other all the time in bullying each other and they're all stressed out because suppose key knew that because he measured their levels of stress in and test. Throwing so forth. And so there's a pretty miserable baboon existence, but then what happened was that? The baboon's went to feed somewhere that I don't remember and they a lot of them contracted tuberculosis and it turned out that almost all the hyper aggressive males got tuberculosis and died and all that was left was the beta males roughly speaking and then the whole book bubble and culture transform so that it became much more agreeable in much more cooperative. And then when aggressive baboons would move into that territory, you know, singly on their own then they'd get all Placid and calm to so it's interesting. Because obviously baboons aren't social to the degree that we are but it does indicate that even at the advanced primate level, you know, their brains are pretty big but not as big as ours but cultural transmission of behavior expectation can be quite powerful and it can transform quite rapidly. So anyways, we've been shaping each other's behavior for a very very very very long time and a lot of that is encoded deeply in biology and in Culture now biologically, we will talk about this a lot when we get to the biological section one of the ways that you can know how social you are is by noting how hurt and ashamed you get if you make a serious social error, you know, so if you're at a party and you make a fool of yourself, you know, depending on your level of neuroticism, which is also a big five traits that index is how sensitive you are to negative emotion. You might obsess about what an idiot you are for the next three or four months or maybe even for the next five years, you know, people do not Like social exclusion, you know and you have a little counter that's more or less built into the back of your brain that roughly first of all estimates how successful you are. There's an estimation that actually seems to occur right at Birth where when part of your neuroticism levels are set and then that can be modified to some degree by learning, you know, and if you're a talk baboon, well, you're going to experience less negative emotion and more satisfaction than you are if you're a bottom baboon, and it's exactly Be the same with people so, you know, we like to be climbing up dominance hierarchies and we like to be near the top of dominance hierarchies. And if the little counter out the back of your brain notices that you know, you're doing a good job of climbing towards the top of a relevant dominance hierarchy, then it's going to produce more serotonin and you're not going to be as in as much pain. You're not going to be as depressed. You're not going to be as anxious. You're not going to be stressed and so forth. So so there's a biological basis for our social being and it's extraordinarily important to How we fit into social groups Okay. So we've also been trying to figure out what the hell we are who we are for thousands and thousands of years partly as a consequence of imitation, you know, as I can act you out and I will sort of help me understand what you're like and partly as a consequence of articulated communication a lot of that storytelling. Now people have been telling stories for we have no idea how long I mean if you go and visit people's that have no written language and who have been isolated from the rest of Human Society for say tens of thousands of years and such people still exist you find that they tell stories they dance they act each other out, you know, so we know certainly that the propensity to tell stories and to engage in ritual behavior is far older than our ability to write I suspect you can push it back. At least 50,000 years, although I suspect it's a lot older than that. And so what's happened is that across those sorts of time scales? We've started to tell stories about one another that represent how we act and then you might think well some of those stories are interesting and memorable and some of them aren't and then we tend to remember the interesting and memorable ones and pass them on and so you can also Imagine human beings aggregating together in groups of thousands and thousands of people over thousands and thousands of years telling their stories to one another and hammering those stories into some sort of mutually acceptable and comprehensible. For and so for example one example of that is that if you look at the creation Stories the creation story that say ogres in Genesis in the Old Testament. It's a member of a class of creation stories that characterized Middle Eastern mythology and it seems to have Arisen out of the organization of separate middle eastern tribes thousands and thousands of years ago each with their own Traditions into a relatively homogeneous story The characterized a large group of people. All Central beliefs so we have information about how we act from the representations that we've made of those actions that we passed forward and a lot of those take the form of myths religious stories. And so part of what we're going to do is we're going to begin the course with two Foundation establishing themes one has to do with the structure of mythological representations. And the second has to do with a set of rituals and processes and beliefs that have been identified more or less worldwide that have to do with shamanic transformation. Now the title of this course is personality and it's Transformations. And the reason it's titled that way is because you aren't just Who You Are You're also something that changes all the time. You're more like a river than like a rock. You're constantly transforming. The physicist Erwin Schrodinger thought that people were dissipative structures. It's a very interesting idea. So a dissipative structure is a structure that maintains its structural Integrity while its elements transformed completely. So, you know, when you let the water out of the sink you get a Whirlpool right in the whirlpool is a fairly stable entity. But the water that the whirlpool is made of is constantly changing that's a dissipative structure. Well, that's what you're like you maintain your form across time, but your elements are constantly transforming. And people are very very transformative creatures. You know, we can Unlike animals really because animals are sort of what they are and that's it. I mean they have some capacity to learn but not very much. Your typical Beaver is acting more like or less today. Like, you know, his great great great great grandfather was acting 5,000 years ago. There's no real accretion of culture whereas with human beings. We transform like mad. I mean we do that culturally things aren't much there's so many things for example that are different now than there were 20 years ago that it's almost impossible to imagine and then so we transform on a cultural scale quite rapidly, but we also do that individually mean you guys have all just made the transition to University just roughly speaking. You know, I'm sure that you're like you were in some ways when you were in high school, but but hopefully you're better than you were in high school a whole bunch of ways as well. You should be more mature. but your personality may have transformed substantially, you know, and with any luck, you're not done with your sequences of Transformations, you know, that's going to be something that characterizes you for the rest of your life insofar as you're a dynamic person Your Eyes Are Open you pay attention you and you can learn and so one of the things you might say is that the most stable thing there is about the human personality is its capacity to transform and that's really something that's worth knowing, you know, because one of the things I can Tell you about the great myths of mankind, there's lots of them and they have different themes. One of the most powerful themes is the way you get yourself out of trouble is to transform your personality. Now, you think you kind of do that every time you learn something right? Because you learn something in your little different than you were before hopefully different in a significant way and hopefully different in a way that helps you solve some problems that you couldn't solve before so you could say that one of the late motifs of Inhuman is well, if I would encounter an obstacle, I can just transform and I can figure out some way of getting around it and that's something that makes us quite remarkable. Now, I'm one of the things that I could suggest to you and I think this is one of the largest ideas that exist especially communicable in this short of time is that it's much better to identify with your capacity to transform than it is to identify with who you are now. And that can get you out of an awful lot of trouble. I mean one of the things that characterizes video logs for example or people who are trapped in fixed belief systems is that they worship who they are now and that'd be all fine. If everything was going a hundred percent for them, but it's seldom the case. And so unless your life is perfect. And that seems highly improbable maybe if you were someone else it would be better. And you know, that's all you've got in some sense because changing the world in some way that's going to make you feel better about it. Well, you know, you might be able to do that some small way, but the probability that you could or should try to do that on a large scale is it's pretty low. So so in the myth logical representation section, I'm going to talk to you about the fundamental elements of narrative. And the reason that I think that that's necessary is because there's sort of two things that you have to consider when you're talking about people and one is Objectively what is a person like the same way? You might think about what a rat is like or maybe even what a rock is like so that's a sound that's a scientific question in some sense, but then there's another question which is or maybe two questions. How do people act and how should they act and maybe the first one is a scientific question, but the second one certainly isn't and the way that we explore how people do act and how they should act has. A lot more with to do with narrative then it has to do with science and you know, you know this all you have to do is think about it. You know, you think about where do you get most of your information about what people are like when you're not actually just interacting with some people and the answer to that is quite straightforward. You read novels. You read literature you go. See movies you watch Game of Thrones you binge on Game of Thrones, you know, you go watch Star Wars, you know, maybe you line up for three days if you're completely insane to go see Star Wars. You know and you might ask well what in the world are you doing? Well, people are hungry for information about how people do act and how they should act and we're absolutely compelled by narratives and there's reason for that well and you kind of know what a narrative is and what one isn't right you go to a movie and you think the character development is pretty good. But you know as a story it was terrible and then maybe you talk with your friends about why it was a terrible story. But the funny thing is you kind of know Writes like some things are stories and some things are and laying out what actually makes something a story that's very difficult. But you still know it and you can come to some consensus. Even you know, if you look on IMDb or Rotten Tomatoes, you know, people form large group consensus about what constitutes an acceptable narrative pretty damn quickly and there seems to be at least a certain amount of agreement, you know, barring individual differences. so the mythological and the shamanic discussions that were going to undertake Have a couple of purposes and one is to provide you with the foundations of a language that you can use to understand narrative and that's going to prove very very useful because most of the clinical theories that we're going to talk about are really narrative-based and once you understand their mythological substructure, so to speak it gives you a framework within which you can slot the theories, you know, because one of the things that's complicated about personality. is that there are a lot of personality theories and you might think well how the hell cannot be because if it's a theory, theoretically There can only be one like there's only one theory of relativity roughly speaking. It's a little fuzzy around the edges but people agree on the core elements while with personality theory, there's there's many many different personality theories. And so then you might think well, how are you supposed to make any sense out of that? Well, there's two ways one is to put all of them into a more fundamental underlying structure and that's something that I'm really going to strive to have you guys do while you're taking this course and the other is to actually adopt a slightly different set of presuppositions about personality theories and so you could say well There's only one theory of relativity, but then you might say well, yeah, there's only one theory of relativity, but then consider a toolbox. So maybe some of you are relatively handy and you have a toolbox. What's in a toolbox hammers or a hammer saws wrenches pliers vise grips Etc. You know when you might say well There are tools why do you need all those tools? And the answer is well, you can hammer a nail in with a wrench but it'd be a lot better. If you could use a hammer and you can probably bang a bolt off with a hammer but it would be a lot better if you had a wrench and so then you might think well if you're trying to do something complicated and sophisticated why not have a bunch of tools. Now we don't generally think of scientific theories as tools. Although that is what they are above all else their tools. And then when we're dealing with something as complicated as a human being while you know, we may need more than one tool to get to the bottom of it and it's also the case, you know that to say understand that human being. Well that's a complicated thing. It's because you might say well understand to what end you don't mean comprehensive Universal Amnesia and understanding obviously you mean I want to Ex about someone because I have some desire in relationship to my interactions with them. And so there's all sorts of tools that can facilitate that so what I would say is that You know Freud's a microscope and unions a telescope. That's one way of thinking about it. I mean, there's no particular reason I Associated either of those with those two tools, but the point is that if you pay careful attention to personality theories, they can expand your capacity to represent yourself in ways. That's extremely useful because if you know, you should understand. Who you are and why and what implications that has for you because you're a transformable creature. But you also have a fairly stable underlying some structure right? Otherwise, you just melt like an octopus. So you're this weird dynamic combination of relatively permanent structure and then embedded capacity to transform. You have a nature. And so understanding your nature is extraordinarily you worthwhile. And so hopefully what we're going to do during this course is give you a whole bunch of tools to understand yourself and other people with tools that will really be useful things. You can use day-to-day to understand yourselves and your families and so on and to improve your future with any luck and then also cover The elements of you that are stable most of which I would say have been discovered at least in the more objective sense by biological psychologists. So mostly animal research is peculiarly enough. Okay. So mythological representations are going to take the trip back through time. We're going to look at archaic and ancient stories of mankind told by members of our species to each other and I'm going to concentrate on stories that have lost it we don't know how long you know, we have stories that in the written form or 4,000 years old, but all the evidence suggests that those stories are based on Traditions that go back far far beyond that at least 50,000 years and maybe way before that so we'll take a look at those and that'll give us a foundation that we can use to build on and then we're going to look at shamanic rituals and descriptions to get some sense of the archetype of transformation, which sort of means well What is it that you have to undergo when you're changing and what are you likely to experience when that happens now? I can give you a bit of a preview. It's not always the case. Maybe it's seldom the case that if you learn something important that it's Pleasant. You know this happens to people all the time. So maybe I don't know maybe you had a recent relationship that went seriously sour and you know, maybe it was because you were going out with a jerk or maybe it's because you're just not very sophisticated. No doubt you're trying to figure out which of those happens to be true. Well, you're you know considering the relationship, but generally what happens to people when they're moving towards something and the bottom falls out because something occurs that they didn't understand and couldn't predict maybe in their own. Gave your baby you had an affair while you were in your relationship and you didn't expect that. Well, what happens is that your current model of yourself and perhaps even of the world is demonstrated as insufficient not rattles you up badly and then you're rattled up for some good length of time not very motivated somewhat depressed fairly anxious. You sort of fell apart. You don't know which way is up and then maybe if you're lucky you think about it and talk about it and put yourself back together. together and when you come out the other side, you're a little smarter and a little more together than you were to begin with now if you're unlucky you just stay in the little pit for People can stay in the little pit for a very very long time and that's not so good. And so, you know, the process of transformation is actually quite dangerous because it doesn't necessarily have to be completed in a successful manner but it does have a pattern and pattern usually is you think you know what you're doing. And then something happens to demonstrate that you actually don't know what you're doing and that puts you in a spin and then through careful analysis and support and discussion and other processes that we don't really understand very, well. You come to incorporate the anomalous knowledge that knocked you on your back you reconstruct your personality on your representations of the world and then you move ahead hopefully More than you were before but it's an interesting thing to know, you know, one of the things Nietzsche said again was that you could you could tell the character of a human being by how much truth there willing to tolerate now. That's an interesting phrase a because you generally think of people because they're optimistic. They generally think of Truth as something positive. Obviously, it's better to know the truth. It's like know if you pulled the wool over your eyes as a general rule learning the truth is not a pleasant experience that doesn't necessarily mean that it's Not something you should do but the idea that the path to Enlightenment is blissful. That's not a very smart idea. In fact, it's quite the opposite. So the shamanic rituals basically manifest that's in an archetypal way. So one of the things you see happening with the typical the shaman by the way, Shamanism is a worldwide phenomenon. It seems to be associated with primordial or archaic psychology of transformation. It's often drug aided and generally what happens is that shamanic trance. Formation is accompanied by a descent into something approximating psychological death and then a rebuilding and a rebirth that puts the person out on the other side. It's like an initiation ritual that's another way of thinking about it or you might think about it as the depression that possessed you during your first semester of University which either knocked you out of the university all together because that happens to a lot of people or which you recovered from and finally became a university student. Although perhaps that wasn't a particularly Pleasant transition, you know, we've done some testing with U of T students and it's interesting to note that about a third of you meet criteria for clinical depression your first year here. Now what that indicates to me, is that the criteria for clinical depression are a little on the sensitive side, but but regardless because it's a third of people meet the criteria think yeah, well, That's a little sensitive. But by the same token, you know, it's not an easy adjustment and the old you has to die. And generally that's not very pleasant. So and it's a good way to think about the impediments to learning because you hardly ever learn something without having part of you died first and that's part of the reason that people are rather resistant to learning anything new that's important. Okay? Well, so you've got that now after that we're going to talk about Piaget and PSA isn't only known as a personality psychologist. But that's okay Piaget published after he was a developmental psychologist may be the greatest developmental psychologist. He published a very large number of books many of which haven't even been translated yet. Some of which haven't even been published yet. So Piaget fought a lot of things about a lot of things and he's generally known for his stage theory of development, but he really wasn't all that into that stage Theory. It just seemed to be the part of his theory that I would say rather dim witted Western intellectuals could grasp onto most easily. And so that's generally what you hear about but Piaget was a very very sophisticated thinker and one of the things he was interested in was well, he was interested in how the child in some sense boots itself up. That's a reasonable way of thinking about it because you know, when you turn on a computer what happens is a certain number of primitive functions primitive fundamental functions come online first, and then those functions enable more complex. Functions to emerge and then those functions may enable more complex functions to merge and soon their your computer is waiting for you and human beings are kind of like that. So when we are first born, we're very primitive when were first born we're very immature. That's a better way of thinking about it. We're not precisely primitive. We still have very large brains and there are more Connections in those brains at Birth and there any that there will be for the rest of your life, which is quite interesting. You actually die into your personality because what happens is it so much that you make new connections. It's that a whole bunch of the ones you already have that you don't use disappear. So that's pretty peculiar. Anyways, when you first born there's not locked till you in terms of capacity to engage with the Your mouth is pretty wired up your lips and your tongue, which is a good thing because you have to breastfeed and that's actually not very simple. You have to have a clue to do that. And it's the first complex social interaction. You're likely to engage in So you you're born with a fair bit of a priori sophisticated wiring already in place, but the rest of you and it's not there much at all. You can't control your arms, you know, if you watch a baby in a crib a young baby and it's not swaddled up, you know, there are a sort of float around in space and so did their legs and now and then they might hit themselves and generally that seems to come as quite a shock to the baby. It's not it's peripheral nervous system. The peripheral elements of its central nervous system are not well developed at birth. And so it's almost as if the baby has to discover its limbs it sort of expands from the middle outwards. It has to discover its Limbs and then start to figure out what to do with them. And so what Piaget attempted to do was to lay out the processes by which a child unfolded into the world now some of there's a biological basis to that because you come To the world at Birth with the set of reflexes at hand and those reflexes are enough to get you started and so Pi J. Here's one way of trying to understand Piaget. I like it quite a bit. It's a bit of an over simplification, but it'll do there's lots of different ways of thinking about what the world is made of now, you know, if you're classically if you're a classical scientist you tend to think that the world is made out of matter, you know, and then matter is made out of atoms and then atoms are Made out of God only knows what atoms are made out of right because by the time you get under Adams you just have no idea what's going on down there. But you know, we generally don't think about that too much and we sort of assume Newtonian reality and that everything is made out of hard little particles like dust and that's the scientific one, but there's other ways of looking at the world that are Not only equally valid but equally necessary and equally powerful and one of them is that you can look at the world as a matrix of information, you know, and so information generally has significance and meaning or at least insofar as information is conceptualized by human beings. And so for example, if you're two years old and you're crawling around on the floor and the dog has a bone and you grab it and the dog nips you that's informative. And so what Piaget claims is that children come into the world with an information seeking structure and that as they interact with the world phenomena emerge that they can model with their bodies. So for example, if I'm going to drink this Then I have to model it with my hand before I can do so and so it turns out for example that wouldn't if this thing sitting here, especially if I'm thirsty and I look at it my eyes tell my hands to get ready to grab it. And so when you say you understand something. What you mean is that at least part of what you mean is that when you perceive it it Maps itself onto your body. And so this happens at pretty low levels of your nervous system. So for example, there are people who are blind they say they're blind they can't see anything. But if you move your hands up like this and you ask them to guess which hand you're lifting they can do it with almost a hundred percent accuracy and you think we'll how the hell can that possibly be there blind. Well, the reason that happens is because your eyes are detecting patterns in the world some of those patterns you perceive as conscious reality, but other patterns are just mapped right onto your spine or onto your emotional system. Doesn't you don't need the perception of the object in order to have that activating because you know, you probably think there's the world you see it you think about it you evaluate it and then you act it's like that isn't how it works. It's very seldomly how it works part because it's just too damn slow. You know, if you had to think about everything you'd be running over pedestrians non-stock, right? You have to be able to react very very quickly and part of the way you do that is by having your sensory systems map right onto your motor output systems, so so the ajai well for Piaget part of the way that the personality emerges out of the the doldrums of infancy is that the child encounters the world and incorporates the information that they gather as a consequence of bumping up against it and then they build themselves in some sense from their bodies and the ability the abilities that they're practicing with their bodies like the gripping mechanism and the pointing mechanism and the scratching mechanism and all those things that they can build. They build those up to the point where they can start to use Actions and so the baby sort of spirals out of nowhere using its exploratory capacity absorbing information from the world and creates its personality that way so lovely model and we'll cover that in some detail the depth psychologists. I concentrate primarily on Jung and Freud and you know, if you take a personality course generally you'll you'll be introduced to Freud first and then you'll be introduced to Young and maybe I'd learn some of the Neo Freudian has more or less as afterthoughts to Freud, but I don't really think that's appropriate first of all. I think you can make a strong case that you mean was. That the utility of Jung's theory is particularly evident when you're talking about radical similarities between people so young was very biologically oriented in some ways. He was way ahead of biological psychiatrists and psychologists because when young was beginning to formulate his theories in the West in North America anyways in the United States, most of the people who Studying human beings were behaviorists and behaviors. Basically presume that you are a blank slate at Birth and that you learned how to do everything that you know how to do. Well that's not true at all. First of all, you can't learn everything that you know how to do because you have to know something to start the whole process often second, you know. You don't have to learn really to understand what a dogs growl means, you know, it's kind of wired into you and you really don't have to learn to be afraid of the dark man. You've got that down by the time you're about three, you know, so there's lots of things that are built right into people and what exactly that means. We're not sure about. I mean, it does look for example, like snake phobia is is innate and even if the actual phobia isn't an eight and it probably is you can learn to be phobic of snakes and no time flat. Whereas like trying to become phobic of pistols is very Difficult now young was very interested in the I think what is the best way to think about it is the substrata of human cognition, you know, because human beings are a particular type of thing. It's not like our our souls are disconnected from our bodies and that our knowledge is somehow appropriate or Universal in some way that would make sense if we didn't have bodies. We're not like that at all. We're in our bodies. Our brains are adapted to our bodies. Our minds are adapted to our bodies and so is our knowledge and that means that our cognitive abilities are theories of the world have biological some structures and those are presuppositions in some sense for dollars that we don't have to learn. So for example, you don't really have to learn that being punched hers. You just discover that you don't really have to learn what a smile means you don't really have to learn. Anger means you know, you'll experience it. So it's right in you it's you watch like little kids little babies when they're crying. They're often angry. So for example by nine months of age a baby can more or less identify its mother so someone walks into the baby's room and takes a look at the baby and it's not the baby's mother and the baby starts crying and you think oh poor baby. It's like fair enough. That baby is not sad that baby is angry and you can tell if you look at the be because it's turning all red. And that's what people do when they cry when they're angry. And so it's a good thing to know when you're arguing with someone and they get upset. Maybe they start to cry you think oh the poor person but then if you look you'll see that they're all red and that means they'd like to strangle you but their you know, their social niceties as hopefully preventing them so that can certainly change your attitude towards whether or not you should be feeling sorry for them when you hurt their feelings. So so there's all sorts of things that are Universal about human beings. And what your was very very interested in what those universals are and how they played out in patterns of behavior. So you can imagine you can imagine that you have an instinct say like anger and thinking about that was like a cross-section that person's angry, you know, you can imagine the facial configuration that would go along with that but in a more sophisticated way if you wanted to represent anger, maybe you've represented like a drama like a story, you know week and that's actually what you want to know someone gets. Angry, right? What happened? Well, imagine that you took a thousand stories about angry people and you boiled them all into one story so that everything that was common about all the stories about anger where it capsulated in a single story. Well, that would be the archetypal story of anger and everyone would recognize it because it's like anger represented like a movie in some sense in its purest form. Well, that's an archetype and that's the sort of thing that you and was extraordinarily interested in understanding and documenting and Tremendous amount of fun. So one of the things we'll do is I'm going to show you some movies probably The Lion King at least parts of it and I'm going to show you how the archetypal structure manifest itself and that's really worth knowing it's kind of a pain because then from now on you go to movies and you think oh, well, that's that archetypal structure and that's what that symbol means and you'll really be annoying to your friends, but it's very entertaining and it's very Illuminating and partly because what's really cool about these archetypal story structures. Is that not only they They do they tell you who you are, but they tell you in some sense who you should be now, that's cool. Because one of the things that modern people have a real problem with is trying to understand whether or not life has any meaning, you know, we look at the world from a scientific perspective and we say well appears that all of this is you know, without meaning it doesn't mean anything in any Cosmic sense. It's a pretty Dopey conclusion. As far as I'm concerned because The Originators of the scientific method excluded subjective meaning From the doctrine at the outset. So, you know, if you look at the world scientifically and you say well it's without subjective meaning it's like well, yeah, obviously because science was set up so that all the subjective meaning would be stripped away from the phenomena. So, you know, it's not something to be really shocked about afterwards and it also doesn't mean that there's no such thing as subjective meaning. It just means that it's very difficult to get a grip on it from a purely scientific perspective. And one of the lovely things about archetypal stories is they tell you in a way that's universally believable Who You Are And and that's very cool. And you know because you think you learned this in University to and it just tears me up, you know, you learn implicitly or explicitly and almost all of the fields of study that you're going to undertake especially on the humanities and that moral morality is relative and that there's no ultimate meaning which is a really rotten thing to be teaching people of your age, you know, because you're too damn young to be nihilistic, you know, you can be nihilistic when you're 85, you're you're all done by then but to be Lipstick now that's a bloody catastrophe, you know when it's completely pointless because the notion of the notion that things are meaningless in some ultimate sense. It's a it's an extraordinarily primitive philosophical Theory and it does not serve people. Well, it makes them sick. And so one of the things that you might consider that is that if your stupid Theory makes you sick, maybe there's something wrong with it. It might be a criteria for the utility or perhaps even the truth of the theory, you know, depends on how you think about these things. You know, you might say well if a truth makes you sick that doesn't mean it's any less. To the truth. Well, maybe maybe it really does mean that it's much much less of the truth. It depends to some degree on what you mean by truth. So anyways Young's very very very very useful for that. He's a terrifying thinker really like I read when I was about 23 or 24, I spent two years and I read pretty much everything you wrote spoke 23 volumes and it just blew me into bits. I had no idea what the hell was going on. My dreams changed really it was really really rough. I was reading each at the same time and he's just about as bad like Nietzsche said he philosophize with a hammer, you know, and that's great unless he's taking a hammer to your skull and that's not nearly. So pleasant so, you know young he's a completely different. Ordered creature and I think that's part of the reason you never really learned about them in University. You know, if you don't understand to me looks weird and if you do understand him a little bit he's terrifying and you're bloody well going to stop you'll think that uh, no, that's okay. I don't I don't really need to know that so Freud Freud's a night nice Whipping Boy for psychologists, which I also think is pretty pathetic because it's in great ungrateful to begin with. You know, Freud was really the person who formalized the idea of the unconscious. You know, now everyone takes that for granted that there's a cognitive unconscious. That's what the psychologist discovered in what the 1980s there's a cognitive unconscious. It's like yeah good work guys. They figure that out back in 1910, you know, but you don't see credit being given to Freud. Making that sort of Discovery if you look at experimental psychology, which I think like I said, I think that's really ungrateful. Freud's is strange God and you know, you can take issue with especially the details of its Theory, you know, like the eatable complex. For example our penis envy those sorts of things. It's like, you know in some ways they seem laughably anachronistic but you know, sometimes someone can be wrong in the details and right in the overall conception, you know, because theories are multi-layered things, right? So sometimes I read a student essay, you know, and the The senses are just awful this person. Like on God only knows where they learn to write probably in a high school somewhere and you know, it's it's incomprehensible. But if you read the whole thing you think man there's an idea in here, you know, the person is smarter than their ability to write and so then you can write you can say look you can't write worth a damn but you know, you're pretty smart and you've got some ideas here that if you could articulate might be of really high quality so you can be wrong in the details and right in the overall picture and Freud was like at all the time and Freud is also unbeatable. in relationship to familial pathology So from Freud's perspective. The fundamental task of the emerging human being was to extricate themselves from their family. Now, you might think we'll why is that such a problem? Well, here's a couple of reasons. Well first your parents take care of you. So like maybe you don't want to dispense with that too early, especially if they really really take care of you and that's the eatable situation from the Freudian perspective. It's like the edible situation arises when you have a parent or two parents who do so much for you that you're no longer able to do anything for yourself and that is not a good situation. It's extraordinarily pathological and there is nobody like Freud who lays out the details of that pathology. And we're going to watch a movie from it's called which is very disturbing movie, which I suppose is a trigger warning for those of you who think you need trigger warnings. It's a very very distressing documentary, but it will show you Friday and psychopathology that like, you've never seen it unless you happen to live in a thoroughly eatable family. All right. So look I didn't get through the whole outline. I'll tell you very briefly what you're going to be required to do and then we'll continue this in the next lecture. So three exams two midterms and a final there are multiple choice. Okay, I'll post some of the questions before the exam so that you know what you're getting into. 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You're listening to the nasm CPT podcast with Rick Richie the official podcast of the National Academy of sports medicine. Welcome to the nasm podcast. My name is Rick Ritchie. And today we're going to be talking about the nasm flexibility Continuum. This integrated flexibility Continuum and means we're not just picking one thing becauseLike that thing is that were taken flexibility Concepts putting them together putting it in a Continuum and making it make sense for your clients depending on where they are. And when I was a young man, I did martial arts. I still do martial arts, but I did martial arts where we focused a lot on acrobatics and gymnastics and I was able to do that sweet little Jean Claude Van Damme splits between two chairs move. That's right. I was able to do the Enter splits between two chairs I could do the front splits on both legs. Yo, I had skills. No joke. This was amazing looking back at that. I am amazed that this body was once able to do stuff like that you talk about if you don't use it, you lose it. So those are one that was a long time ago, but being able to do that gave me an understanding of flexibility that many people will never comprehend but it also didn't set me up to truly understand what flexibility was and and it's Purpose it was important to me because I wanted to be able to do the splits and I wanted to be able to kick really high and I wanted to be able to do these really Dynamic looking exercises, but the functionality of it was really not truly explored now, it was important for what I was doing at the time. So we need to make sure that we understand that we may support people in something that they have efforts towards for instance people who might need flexibility for their craft or their art certainly martial artists come to mind dancers come to mind as well. But are we helping our clients get into this range of motion or we thinking that that all of our clients need to have this incredible range of motion. I don't think anybody thinks that but that might be a goal of somebody's we also want to understand why they have those goals and if we have those goals we can help support them in reaching it maybe some of the stuff we'll talk about the day helps, but also a need to understand that I might Somebody then I'm draining that wants to be flexible. But if you look at them, they actually need to increase their stability and they don't want to lose their stability because this hypermobility if I have a hyper mobile clients and they tell me and for no reason so they're not doing martial arts and they're not dancers and they know they're not doing other things that that this is important for and they're just saying, hey my hamstrings feel tight. They feel tight and then you go to stretch their hamstring and at 9090 position and the right up into that position and you go back and they're like bullshit back towards my head. I want to be able to guess my thigh, whatever it is and they go back they don't need you to stretch them. They may need to increase some stability. But look at that range of motion and sometimes what we referred to as naive flexibility or flexibility without a purpose. So you want to be very Aware that you're not creating potential any contraindications by overstretching someone and then of course if somebody is telling you that they feel tight when understand also that feelings are not facts and just because something feels tight doesn't mean that it is tight. It's not mechanically tight certainly in the situation neurologically. It might be tight because it is doing something to draw probably try to stabilize a joint. So neurologically is becoming very active. So so base everything that you do off of thorough assessments. Now let's talk about the flexibility Continuum. I like this because one of those brilliant things about the opt model. It's its Simplicity and the flexibility Continuum goes really well with that stabilization strength and power phase and you've got three different versions of flexibility that we're going to look at and to write integrated flexibility Continuum. There's corrective flexibility Act of flexibility and Optional flexibility now, these are Headliners. These are the topics the types of flexibility that we want to help people get and maintain there are techniques that allow us to get there every one of these across the board whether it's corrected flexibility Act of flexibility or functional flexibility can all use What nasm refers to as self myofascial release or what's commonly referred to as phone. Rolling, so you can use foam rolling and any one of these modalities to help with corrective flexibility to increase active flexibility and to provide functional flexibility. So foam rolling across the board if you are like what should I do in terms of flexibility and you were stuck on an island and you were only given one option which in this example doesn't make any sense because you can do corrective flexibility active or functional if you're stuck on an island, but I think you understand if you could pick one thing. Foam rolling might be one of those things that it's just highly indicated regardless of which section that you're in that you could do across the board. So it's highly indicated regardless of what your flexibility outcomes are. Looking to be now one important thing to understand understand about corrective flexibility as we start to identify what Falls underneath it corrected flexibility is designed to increase joint range of motion. That's really its purpose. I want to increase range of motion at a joint it can help to improve muscle imbalance. Why because we're Limited in a range of motion and it can help to correct altered joint range of motion. So there might be this Arthur kinetic imbalance that's taking place and it's going to help with how potentially we can our muscles can can glide and how they can roll. So be aware of that and understand that corrective flexibility is really to Imbalances now that goes back to this conversation we're having about somebody that's really flexible and you give them perhaps that hamstring stretch and they say they feel like they need it. But when you look at them, they don't need that they are incredibly flexible. They're hyper mobile or overly mobile corrective flexibility is designed for people who are hypo mobile people who have lower mobility and decreased range of motion. The only time that I would suggest potential he doing static stretching for somebody that might have already increased range of motion might be after a pretty intense workout and those muscles truly are tight and they were potentially getting quite sore than that stretch can help to create an inhibition that causes those muscles to relax a little bit. So corrective flexibility. You have two things. You got the self-myofascial release, you've got static stretching self-myofascial release or foam rolling and static stretching static stretching into take that. And you're going to hold a stretch for a minimum of 30 seconds and I tell my clients all the time. You may need to do more than 30 seconds you made to do 60 seconds. And the only reason I tell him that is because they do that one to skip a few method so they're not really doing 30 seconds. They're doing about eight seconds and they go all I had to have been 30 seconds. So sometimes I'll tell him to do more and there's actually a wonderful study that It showed the several different people within a research study where they did either 30 seconds and then they did up to a hold of a hundred and twenty seconds and the 30 second hold group was just as effective as the hundred and twenty second hold group. Well, what's Happening Here? Usually what happens is we're looking for not just a mechanical extension of the muscle, but we're looking to get the muscle neurologically to And so or to become inhibited and this term is called autogenic inhibition autogenic inhibition and a static stretch. As you are statically stretching a muscle. Let's say hamstrings because that's a common one that people talk about so stretch the hamstrings when you stretch the hamstrings the hamstrings get tight. They don't like being stretched. There is a there is a mechanoreceptor in the body as you start to lengthen the muscle depending on the length or how much you lengthen it and how fast First you lengthen it this mechanoreceptor will see that and it'll go. I don't like that. I do not like what this feels like so that stretch ometer that's in there is going to be the the muscle spindle and the Golgi tendon organ is a tension ometer. It's measuring the amount of tension. So as we stretch in that muscle spindle stretches, whether it's overly lengthened or quickly lengthened it To tighten up and it says man, we're going to hurt this muscle if we keep stretching. Laughter about 30 seconds. The Golgi tendon organ is feeling this tight muscle and it's going man if we keep stretching this and I don't relax we might hurt this muscle or it might be looking at it and say I feel we've been here for a while. It seems kind of safe to me. So let's just relax the muscle right now because I think we're cool. We're absolutely fine. And so the GTO might allow for relaxation and the spindle and the GTO are within the same muscle. His autogenic inhibition causing the muscle to relax when you do things like a static stretch and also the similar thing that happens when you're doing self myofascial release or foam rolling or all AKA roller massage, you're going to get the same outcomes. You're going to get this autogenic inhibition as a thank you for listening to the nasm CPT podcast. I've got a special offer for you 20% off of any nasm order you can use that 20% to get certified as a personal trainer. 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And then we start plugging it in now, there are some people who will look at static stretching and they say, oh I don't like static stretching static stretching doesn't work static stretching this static stretching that clearly there's some some stretch bias that's going into there because there's plenty of research that shows that static stretching works at increasing range of motion. But why are you trying to increase range of motion? I think that we need to always have that in mind, but the other thing that happens we look at corrective flexibility in static stretching is that yes, there's research that plenty that shows that it works to help increase range of motion, but why would somebody look at that and say it doesn't work? Well, it might be because of the benefits that come from active stretching so we have that we do that also we have Active flexibility as a component of our integrated flexibility Continuum, where will do active isolated stretching and what we don't do is we don't say hey, there's active stretching and they're static stretching pick one. What's your favorite and then downplay the importance of everything else? I look at that and I say many others are serious flaw in what you're doing. That's a serious flaw what that is is it you're not looking at the whole picture you go in and you look at a painting then some paintings have really really wonderful designs in it. But if you're standing up really close to the painting all you might see are a bunch of dots. And then you back away slowly and those dots start to create a bigger a more fluid picture a richer picture of understanding and that's what I think. We should look at here instead of arguing which is better and just because I choose this one. The other one doesn't work. What we should be doing is finding out who is this for and what are the benefits for and if there are benefits in every single bits of self myofascial release and and static Retching and neuromuscular stretching an active isolated stretching and dynamic structure stretching the why would we exclude anything as they integrated model? And as we start to figure out what are some other means of flexibility that are valuable they'll start BMP integrated into the model as well. Because they have value they have a purpose and they follow along with in this kind of integrated concept. So once you've moved on from helping to assist somebody with increasing the range of motion now, what you want to do is you want to apply strength to their Newfound range of motion. So if you don't apply strength to it, you have to continue to statically stretch it in order for it to maintain its new range of motion. Well, I want to provide strength to my new range of motion if I can provide strength to it it now has function it now has a purpose so a great Sample, I like to do is clearly we made talk or you may hear a lot of people talk about tight hip flexors people sitting in a chair and their hips are in a flexed position and the hips become adaptively shortened into that hip flexed position and we want to say well now I need to provide some strength maybe to my hip extensors. So I've got a new range of motion from my corrective flexibility in my hip flexors, and now I'm going to use my hip Tensors and active isolated stretching to pull me into a new range of motion. So that stretch that static stretch a minimum of via a 30 second hold with an active stretch. You're not looking at something nearly that long you're looking into going in to that range of motion holding. It may be hip driving squeezing the glute to get a hip extension to stretch those hip flexors and to be honest the goal of this. Shouldn't be looking at this and saying hey, I don't feel my hip flexor stretch. Not the point. That's not the point. The point is getting the hip extensors to move you through it. So this is no longer about the muscles. You were working with corrective exercise when it turns it comes to like did I feel that muscle it is now about feeling that you're going through that range of motion in your hip extensors are taking you through hip extension and the hip flexors are agreeing to go through that motion. You might have clients where you have them do a floor bridge and when they do a floor Bridge, they rub the front of their thighs and they say but I feel it here. Well those people that's a great Act of stretch for them because they're getting an actual stretch and the rectus femoris but also making sure that the glutes are your primary hip extensors and that and that it's not hamstring dominant because we don't want to go through this act of flexibility and start to create a synergistic dominant situation we The primary extensor to be the primary extensor. We want the center just to be the synergist. So active flexibility provides strength to your new range of motion. It's going to increase your neuromuscular efficiency and it's going to do this via something called reciprocal inhibition not autogenic reciprocal inhibition autogenic inhibition is going to be held for how long that's right about 30 seconds reciprocal inhibition is thing about in math classes. We had fractions there. Has a numerator and denominator and if you wanted to multiply out of it, you had to get the reciprocal reciprocal which means the thing on the other side. So reciprocal inhibition, the glutes are the thing on the other side. That's the muscle that you may want to really activate and when that happens the muscle on the opposite side ideally is going to now relax. If not, you've got something called altered reciprocal inhibition. And so what we want to do is we want to provide. Linked to the short tight overactive muscles and then provide strength to the opposing muscle groups. So now we can work through a newfound range of motion and provides strength into that Newfound range of motion. And that's the value of active flexibility and it's something that's undervalued in a lot of training. So your personal trainers that are out there. You see pts that are out there doing the thing. I love that your foam rolling. I love that you're doing static stretching the increase range of motion. But you all let's start getting the act of flexibility in their start taking them through active flexibility exercises and do several repeats because this is done in the strength level and the value of this is because it's even our flexibility is a strength training exercise here. We're providing strength activation to the glutes prior to going and doing a leg based glute based exercise like a squad or deadlift. So now I'm going to go through my activities. Flexibility as prep work for my strength training which is beautiful because it's just a bunch of activation exercises for muscles will refer to it here right now is active flexibility, but there are activation exercises. And then finally we ever hear studies that say oh static stretching don't do that because it limits how fast you're going to run. Yeah, I get that. But remember static stretching is designed to increase range of motion and it's generally done in Phase or level one of the opt model. If you're in the top level level 3 the power level of the opt model, you're not doing corrective flexibility. Most likely unless you've got a severe and kind of Nicole imbalance, you're not doing active flexibility, you're doing functional flexibility functional flexor flexibility. Yes, you're going to you can use thest self-myofascial release or foam rolling, but then you've got Dynamic stretching Dynamic stretching is the technique that is applied. You know dynamic stretching can be leg swings. All right, those hamstrings swings. It could be legs swinging back for the dynamic hip flexor stretch. There are these side to side swings for your ad and adductors. But you can do squats. And though that's not as incredibly Dynamic it is certainly functional and really functional flexibility. What we're trying to get out of it is the ability to do that Squat and to be able to do that Squat and better form in every time you go through a range of motion and a functional exercise. You need functional flexibility to do that. So it's all appropriate whether you're doing corrective flexibility or static stretching where they're you're doing active flexibility as a technique active isolated stretching or functional flexibility for dynamic stretching adding your self myofascial release or your foam rolling in there, but finding where your clients are or where you are personally and what type of flexibility you should be working on. All right, y'all thank you so much. My name is Rick Richie. You can hit me up at Ric Ric came. That rich ER IC H ey and nasm dot-org. Holler at me. Let me know what you thought of this podcast and if there's something else you want me to talk about or speak on that I can help support you with let me know. This is the nasm CPT podcast.

NASM provides an integrated model of flexibility that includes corrective, active, and functional flexibility categories. The specific techniques used within the Integrated Flexibility Continuum are as follows: Integrated Flexibility Continuum Corrective Flexibility – designed to increase joint ROM for shortened muscles. It is specifically for the areas of hypomobility. SMR/SMT/Foam Rolling Static Stretching Active Flexibility SMR/SMT/Foam Rolling Active Isolated Stretching Functional Flexibility SMR/SMT/Foam Rolling Dynamic Flexibility This episode talks about just because muscles “feel” tight doesn’t mean that they are in fact tight. Assessments are to be done to identify shortened muscles verses lengthened muscles. In an integrated model the progression from on type of flexibility category to another should be aspired to. As initial limits in ROM begin to increase through corrective strategies, more active techniques can be applied to provide strength to the new found ROM. Just like in the OPT model, once strength gains are made, speed can be applied. In this case, functional flexibility can include dynamic flexibility techniques where momentum and speed are added to the stretch. This integrated flexibility continuum is a brilliant, yet simple model to follow to support our client’s flexibility needs.

Hey everybody. I hope you're enjoying the end of 2019. I know that I'm not alone in wondering where the year is gone feels like yesterday that I was planning a 20-19 s goals what I wanted to achieve, I guess time flies when you're having fun. If you like me in the northern hemisphere dealing with the snow and the ice and the cold which I'm not ever going to get used to. I hope you enjoying some easier training or some indoor workouts. And for everyone back home in Australia. I hope you're enjoying a lovely sunny days.Today's guest is louisbourg of fellow Aussie, and she's been the head of Sports Nutrition at the Australian Institute of sport since 1990 and has over 30 years experience working directly with the world's best athletes and coaches who research includes post-exercise recovery carbohydrate and fat metabolism during exercise and fluid needs and Sport her understanding and knowledge in the realm of carbohydrate fueling and utilization is game-changing and is directly resulted in multiple.Double Olympic medals, in fact any athlete with goals to increase their performance can benefit from Louise's work when she speaks people listen, and that was definitely the case when I got to spend a morning with her in New York following her participation in the New York Marathon earlier in November having grown up in Australia. I was excited to meet Louise her books on Sports Nutrition Grace book shelves across the country. I remember growing up and cooking from her books. And in fact my parents use recipes from her books to this day 20 years later Louise was so gracious with their time. We got to spend a few hours together following the interview reminiscing about Australia and talking about are many Mutual connections. I got a lot of tips and ideas from Louise about how to fuel my training and racing Ambitions for 2020 during the interview, and I know you will too a special shout out and thank you to Julia and the team from unit nutrition for bringing the weasel night together. I hope you enjoy this episode of inner voice Travis Mackenzie. Well, I feel very very privileged to be sitting here with louisbourg right now. And it's quite surreal. I don't know if you ever have these moments of how did I get here? But we're sitting in New York. I remember growing up. I had this survival for the fittest and from the fittest books. So a little bit of a fanboy moment being able to sit here with you. How are you today a little bit sore, and sorry, so I'm feeling that your life has been not very good place to be. You think well, it's funny because I was thinking back when Julie had mentioned Julia from unit nutrition had mentioned that we would me and I was thinking back of my favorite recipes from those books and my dad was an athlete a triathlete in the early 90s and you know growing up. I did my first line man in 2003 and that was around about the time when those books are coming out. I think 1999 and 2001. So yeah, it's cool to kind of think back to my time when I was when I was And and learning a lot from you. Then you did run the marathon yesterday. Give us the quick synopsis of how that went for you disappointing. I wanted to do better. I did the first half really well and then I tripped it an aid station and tweened my hamstrings. So then it was just survival Shuffle home. So good thing about marathons is always another one and I'm hoping that the next one's going to be better. But at least I made it home and I've got a medal to show for it. Yeah, and you did itso. Some context on it. You still had a very good time even though you're a hobbling and shuffling your way home. I think 338 you mentioned the 338, but I always like to try and go under 3:30 some sort of magic mark and so far as I get older. I'm not getting any slower. So I kind of figured by 80. I'm going to win my just Outlast everyone. That's the tree could see where are my other technique of running? Well as it the day before you go and do all this window shopping and you look at all these things you promised yourself you. If you make your target, you can go back and get them the next day. So I can't do that today. I'm reviewing next year. Next year or next year is the 50th Anniversary. Do you plan to come back to New York? I love New York. It's my favorite city. And it's just a wonderful run. Yeah, tell me a bit more about your athletic background you, you know, you obviously running marathons now, but where does your kind of athletic history come from? Oh my goodness. I'm a very very modestly trained and tested. Talented athlete I started doing Ironman actually. I mean, I've always done something at school, but then when I left school, I started doing a few fun runs and then saw the Iron Man and thought that sounds like something I should do. So I entered the Ironman in Hawaii and this is in the days when there was a lottery and I got in without even knowing how how unusual has special that was and I hadn't done a triathlon at that stage. So imagine Yeah day booze is the Iron Man. And the reason I do it is partly. I like to have a challenge, but for me, it's all about that n equals one experiment with Sports Nutrition. And so when I find a challenge to really push the attrition and its effects on performance, I kind of feel well if you've not got much talent, maybe you can do everything else as well as possible and learn from the experience, but get the best out of yourself. And so I'm hoping that one of the reasons I'm not getting slower as I'm just Just continuing to use new strategies around science to get the best out of yourself. Hmm. That's interesting because I feel like Sports Nutrition and the science in that space is in its infancy compared to sport itself what has been some of those really dramatic developments over the last 20 to 30 years that you've seen in that space fueling definitely. So we've gone from a feeling back in the sort of 80s that you couldn't really take in much during a The size because once you put something in your stomach and interferes with gastric emptying and if you're wanting to maintain hydration status will then you've got to keep really dilute and then there was a whole series of studies in the 90s and beginning of the century that showed that actually your ability to tolerate and absorb carbohydrate when it's consumed was much greater than we thought and when you're doing these longer events or doing really sustained high intensity. Events, like the two hour marathon that the more cards you can take in during the race to supplement what you've been able to store beforehand really gives you the best ability to work at the top end for as long as you can so that was one breakthrough, but then almost opposite to that there's new breakthrough shown that you can fuel your brain in different ways without actually absorbing any nutrients to improve performance and that's really good for some of the shorter events. Where You're not limited with your muscles fuel availability, but we forget that the brain is what's telling the muscle how hard it can go? And so now there's a whole range of different strategies. We can offer that make you just feel better, whatever the environment or the event that you're doing and it offers so many more opportunities for nutrition during events that we hadn't thought of previously. I'm going to go back we'll go back to that and touch on that in a moment, but I want to hear a bit more of your journey to get in getting into sports. Science, how did you kind of find your way there? Was it something you were interested in in school? What was that Journey like for you getting in getting to that place? Oh gosh, look at the most accidental career possible because when I studied nutrition there was no such thing as Sports Nutrition. And in fact, I only studied nutrition by accident and because it was a personal interest and as I was studying at one of my lecturers was a marathon runner and I can remember going around his place for do you know him? The whole class is starving students around to his place and his wife are put on this huge spread and he's just there with lettuce and cheese on his plate and I said to him, you know, don't you like your wife's cooking and he said no, I'm I'm doing a marathon in the weekend this the swedes have just published this paper on this new technique where you can deplete the glycogen in your muscles and then replace it in super compensated. It means you can run a marathon faster and something just went off in my head. And I thought well gosh, that's that's the angle. I love Sport and I love nutrition and they actually intersect and so he allowed me to do some studying this him. I went on to do a PhD with him after I finish dietetics and then it was a matter of trying to convince the rest of the world. There was something and again like just totally accidentally your Australian. So, you know how Australian Rules Football is the life of others Australian Sport and I follow securely which is a really unfortunate team who In a hundred and twenty years of competition as I only won the premiership once and so I wrote to the star player on the team Trevor Barker who didn't spit of like David Beckham and write a letter teams as a 20-year old saying nutrition is really important for performance. And I think this could be the thing that gets the Saints the next friendship and he must have received. I don't know how many hundreds of letters every day from 20 year old girl. Yeah. And he took my letter and he gave it to the team Doctor Who rang me and said would you like to come down and have a play with the guys? So how how lucky is that? Yeah, I got my first sort of step into into professional sport worked with them for a while and then eventually the Australian Institute of sport advertised a position and the rest is history really but it's you know, it's just a complete series of Lucky accidental moments that really Solid acid and a wonderful career was when he said I have a very strong belief that you're in the right place at the right time and everything happens for a reason and you obviously took that opportunity saw an opportunity took it, you know, and and the rest is history funny son killed a story. So I grew up playing I was Rules Football and one of my best mates growing up was Nick re what was who's my absolute hero? There you go. Have you met Nick? I will I work well still work with a team. No, I did some work in the these and they're now in about 2006. They contacted me again and said we know you come down to Melbourne for the games on the weekend, you know, is there any way that we can use your involvement? And so I had another three years going back and working with them on a part-time basis and that's what I met Nick. Yeah, and he's just a superb human being a wonderful athlete but a real supporter of nutrition and as captain of the team. Was really instrumental in make sure that when I came back again that what I did was really appreciated and it was really time. Yeah, I've got it though. No Premiership sadly. I was agile long supporter as a kid and we lost many many Grand finals when I was following them and then when Nick went to st. Kilda, I became a secured a fan and lost many many Grand finals. I'm still waiting for the championship as a supporter as well. Tell me. About your time at the AIS you were there from the beginning or early on I believe what was that, you know building I guess a program there and you know, you put the books out and you work with some up-and-coming athletes and some amazing athletes. Tell us a little bit more about your journey in your story at the AIS. Gosh. It was wonderful when I started the heroes was really new and it had sort of no really strict guidelines around what it could do other than just to work with athletes and we had scholarship program for 35 Sport's most of the based in Canberra, but some of the other campuses around Australia and I was The dietitian and so, you know, my remit was to do what I could to work with all these Sports and it was just I look back now and think how to manage it, you know back then the expectations of what nutrition could do were a lot smaller and so you are doing that first exploratory work with coaches and athletes and everyone was so welcoming and it was you know, such a new thing and I was surrounded by terrific people to work with these days Sports become far more sort of organized if you like and there's a lot of structure and expectations around what happens and it's improved in lots of ways, but I really do miss that time where the main interactions and with coaches and athletes and I don't think it's just the change in the area. So I think it's a change in the whole way. We live our lives because I Many of the game just to say a camp with an athlete or sport back. Then he go away to an altitude came for a month and you take a book because there was no laptops and emails at all the things that you know, take up our time now and so when you are with athletes and coaches you were just with them and you developed great Rapport and relationships and those serendipitous conversations, you'd have it at night you'd sort of, you know brainstorm what you could do in the sport to improve it and so there were so many Opportunities for those just little tidbits of insights that made a real difference. Whereas now we're all so busy doing 25 things at the one time and you sort of have to have a workshop to put coaches with you to force a conversation and it's not the same as just those sort of serendipitous really long term things. So, I mean, I've loved everything I've done and I still love what I do, but it's certainly different ways in which we were able to Order your own do you think that that led itself to those bigger gains or those bigger changes happening by being in that environment where you can work directly with coaches and athletes, whereas now it feels like all of the changes were making a very much more incremental. Do you think that has something to do with it? I agree with you because certainly in the early days. There was a very low starting point I guess and so everything you did was likely to make a bigger change. And Australia was ahead of the curve. I think in trying to be systematic with applying Sport Science and setting up these like I think the beauty of the area sin was it was a chronic situation where coaches and Sport scientists and athletes were always together. And so we got the best out of of each other and now the whole system is changed and there's some benefits and having athletes and coaches back in the daily training environments, but that Continued interaction is not there anymore. It's diluted in different ways. And so I think the rest of the world's caught up and we've probably made a lot of the games and now we know everyone talks about marginal gains and we're looking for those one percenters which make a difference but they're harder to find and they're sort of harder to prove that they work because there's so much else going on as well. Tell me about some really memorable athletes or coaches that you've worked with that, you know through Olympic Cycles or that have you know, gotten better results than you thought they would what are some of those kind of memorable interactions that you've had. Oh gosh, he's so ready. Look at me starting back at the very beginning. You know, when I started at the AIS I was at the dietitian and there was you know, perhaps and feeling of well, what's this got to offer and you know, we haven't had one before so why do we need one now and one of the first coach To embrace. The idea of nutrition was Terry gather Cole who was a swimming coach and he was a lovely guy really sort of surly and we started off as a bit of a love-hate relationship, but he was the one that gave you my first opportunities to travel with sports and I would have a role managing the camp or the team. So I was sort of paying my dues in one way, but it really allowed me the opportunity to be with the athletes and certainly enhanced. my ability to understand Sport and Logistics because a lot of people understand maybe a sports science better, but they've got no idea how to roll it out on the ground and they can either go one or two ways either they can be too officious and try and take over and want it to be all about the science and then it sort of over plays its role and it makes it just too difficult for athletes to do because you know, it's complicated and athletes are going to million things to think about Moment when they're competing in so it's not really doing the right thing. But on the other hand, you know, sometimes the activity just doesn't understand either the rules or sport or the practicalities of the culture of what's going on and it just simply can't be implemented because it's you just haven't understood what the athlete needs to have on the day. So, I hope that just that immersion for me in those early days of just leave. Begin breathing sport all the time. It might be a time intensive and sort of wasteful experience to do that. But certainly the degree of learning that you make and the ability to sort of have insights about it was really important for me and then going sort of more recently one of the sports that I've been working with most recently is race walking and if you'd asked me ten years ago about race walking on a set up my stupid sport. He uses and then I was thrown into working with them and I recognized a couple of really interesting things about it. The first is that the athletes and coaches themselves are fantastic and I've had a wonderful relationship with International athletes and some research camps that we've been doing our Supernova series, but from the race event itself the 50k event for men and women is really demanding. It's about a three and a half hour for men for our foreman. Event, which is in a really interesting spot in terms of that fueling that we talked about before but the way that the race is repeated. They do it on a 1 or 2 K Loop because they need to have judges watching the technique and so there's an aid station every two kilometres into K Loop which means that the opportunities for nutrition during the event a huge that's you know, you look at the marathon and we've got Aid stations every 5K although Looking at what they've learned from watching race walking. They're now bringing in for the elite races at least eight stations more often than we try and go after things like the two hour marathon record because the more frequently consumed things during a race particularly when you're doing it on the on the run and you having to manage juggling actually consuming as well as performing the more often you can do it makes the success of the nutrition plan more likely. And so for me the experience with race walking gave me that perfect mix of a very nutritionally demanding event with a setup that allowed nutrition to be implemented. And so I was really lucky to work with some Brett Valance coach and Jared talent in 2012. Jared had been the silver medalist at the Beijing Olympics in that event and had come to me afterwards and said look, we think that Next four years will be an explosion in the way that those races is addressed and that to do what he had done in Beijing require a much better tactic and that was about the stage that this idea regressive fueling was coming in and Jared hadn't been a good future. In fact, if you Google Jared Talent, one of the top things that comes up is Jared Talent vomit and you look of the picture and see that in Beijing as he came into the stadium in the 50k avenging is vomiting and as he finished he had a huge vomit which is not pleasant to watch but it was a sign that whatever his nutrition strategies were weren't working because he wasn't absorbing them and it was interfering with his race. So to start with him with that background and say I want you to be more aggressive with what you do in 2012 was a challenge but he was a perfect specimen to work with because he was just, you know completely trusting and confident in the work that we did together. A-and we really address that over that that particular the year leading into the London Olympics with a lot of work around the type of feeding that is frequency of feeding and the practice of feedings. We know now that your guts like every other muscle in the body. It's trainable. Hmm. So the more you do it in practice the more that you learn both the culture and the behavior, but the more that your gut adapts to be able to absorb nutrients and so In London, we had that perfect day where he just executed the plan right on Target and came back to the gold medal amazing and I so I used to live in Vancouver. So I know Evan done free well and know that you've worked with him quite a bit and I follow his Instagram and when he's doing the camps and how miserable he is on certain days and just you know, one square of chocolate or things like that, but I Funny Story running on the Seawall in Vancouver and I was there was a guy head of me. I'm not that guy was walking and I can't catch him. So yes race walking is a funny sport, but those guys and girls who compete are absolutely amazing athletes. They are phenomenal and I guess that's the other reason I like race walking. Is that on a good day I could run with them when they're walking and so I've had the ability to spend a lot of time with Jared out in training sessions and we literally true the fact we don't talk about how it's going and I can observe the way that he's been able to manage his feeling and For me to just get some insights into what makes these really Elite athlete stick has been really good. And also they appreciate that. You know, I'm committed to sport as well and my modest ability. I can try and get the best out of it. So it's been really like it's the experience of these supernovae camps and the interaction to people I gave them has been really great. They've been incredible ambassadors for Sports Nutrition. I really appreciate everything they've done to be able to bring to the world's attention. Just how important it's been in the way that they do their events. I think it's a couple of things that come to mind for me is the fact that you are able to take things from a lab and take ideas away and Implement them in the real world. I think is really impactful and I think the fact that you're an athlete as well, you know builds that relationship with the athletes and they understand that you are not only someone there is thinking about the theory but you're actually putting it into practice yourself. Well, it's been generous to call myself an athlete but I certainly believe that you have to practice what you preach and you have to think of it through the perspective of an athlete size and the only way you can really do that is to to have that experience yourself. So and I should talk about just briefly the Supernova studies because I've just had the most incredible generosity from these race Walkers who come at you in January to the area somewhere. Do a research Camp and the idea that allows athletes would give up their sort of training in nutrition control and for a month just allow me to be able to work with them. And and it is a collaborative effort. You know, we don't do anything that they don't have an investment in their collaborators the co researchers, you know, we sit down and say what we want to find out and how can we do this experiment so that you will really trust the answers. It's not a matter of they just come in and sort of in a performance and we write up a paper. Everyone goes happy. They they really want to invest in finding out the truth to whatever it is that we're studying and so we work together to make sure that they'll put a hundred and ten percent on the line and we do any testing so that whatever the result is. They know it was real and we can trust the outcomes and interpretations. Hmm. What do you think? So unique about race walking and they're there? They're interested in being a part of that study. I'm sure that you know, obviously you mentioned the consistency of fueling and racing but surely, you know cycling would be another example where you've got unlimited fuel sources. You can feel whenever you're like, so tell me why do you think that race walking has been able to approach this in the manner that they have because probably play some time and I was really lucky to have the experience of working with Jared. Jared is hugely respected. Rice walking and I think Bryce walk is just really nice people. They are very collaborative. They they support each other. It's as I said, it's an unusual Sport and doesn't get a lot of a lot of AirPlay. And so these efforts are amateurs and so they don't make a huge amount of money from from what they do and I think that they're grateful for any help that they get and when I put a camp on and Can look after them for a month. Then that makes a viable difference to them. But I think that we just build up a fun culture and now it's become a thing and I'm just lucky to be the sort of conductor of this or mr. That's really true. That's really cold is probably a bit of a chip on their shoulder to their kind of insulate themselves against other people because people think of them as this crazy Silly Sports, there's probably a bit of a Brotherhood and a Sisterhood there with that sport as well. Right? So talk to me a little bit more. About Average Joe. So, you know, we're here watching the marathon yesterday and there's people walking and you talk to people after their races and that, you know, they messed up they're fueling and that's a big thing in a lot of Endurance Sports. What are some things that people can take away as Average Joe Weekend Warriors that they can learn from your all of your expertise and knowledge. I think that people need to look past tweets and hundred forty characters and just sound bites about Mission or any aspect of their race preparation. It's really important that you invest in good advice. It's personalized and periodized and individualized for you. And so being able to be part of a group or being able to go have a consultation with someone who can work with you to come up with a plan that you practice is really important. And you know, I really love Sports Nutrition companies or parts of the industry. We chillin Based in China to promote that message but also provide opportunities to athletes so that it isn't just his this Latest Buzz signal. I'm going to try it on the day or I'm just going to do it how I think I'm going to do it rather than really invest in understanding how it could work and then following through with the best way so you often hear people having that experience where they've heard about something or tried something and It's not even necessarily new on the day, but it's just not well thought-out and in all the excitement of the race. They just completely misjudged their pacing or what they've done what they bring into the race and 42 kilometers will expose the cracks some of the first guy that tried it died. So it's not easy and it's not forgiving you have to really have you act together. Otherwise, I'm you'll come across over one thing. You said to me there that Stood out was practice and knowing that you know, even when you're doing your long runs or long rides, are you getting ready for your major race? You're very rarely. Are you are you out of pace that you will be in the race situation. So I think the practice part of it is judging how you're going to fuel at that desired effort as well. You know, so many times people say I did a long run and I took a gel and that's enough and then they get into a race and they try and take for jails or something like that. So it's it really is about good advice good. Practice and and having that translate into that race performance. Yeah, I think what you're saying is really important and I talk to people about you won't have the perfect storm of three things going for you. You want to have something that's going to have a true physiological benefit you want to have the sort of a placebo effect of it being able to enhance your performance because you believe in what you're doing and then there's the some intangible is the whole experience that when I work with It's a high poem working with them to build up like an environment of just confidence and feeling special. And so when you can do that and have all those parts going together, that's why I like the idea that you know working with a practitioner or you're in a group or whatever it is so that you're building up all those experiences, you know, one of the things that Jared and I always did was we logged every time he did a training session more than 30 kilometers and we log what it happened. We did feedback about how much you consume how it felt what the weather was like boys performances like and that was learning that you could go back and objectively look at what was happening. But what I was also trying to create for him was that experience of just feeling like you you're accumulating just all the bits and pieces that you need to do a really good job on the day. So a lot of it is physiological but a lot of it also is this sort of psychological Crashing way you fine tune and just get to the point where what's going to happen on the day is just so well thought out for you that you can't help but do a good job tell me if this has been your experience because it has been mine where potentially athletes who compete the best may not be the best physiological athletes, but they have this unshakable belief and confidence in their own ability that they can perform. Whereas you see other athletes who may be more talented maybe don't have that same performance because they don't necessarily believe in their in their talent. Is that something that you've seen it's just the Classic case. It's almost a cliché isn't it now? Because we see it so often and I'm not sure whether it's people who have all the talent don't feel the need for the investment and all the other things. They think they can get away with it and even when I look at my G you and I when I'm out of those training sessions with Elite athletes recognize the difference between me and then like I need to go shopping and have incentives to that to get ready to the Finish Line where he's really Elite athlete is intrinsically motivated and they can just push past the pain in a different way, but certainly having someone who knows that they're not going to be the best in the world and less they have everything going for Or them is an observation that I see and the people like Evan and people like Jared they'll tell you that they don't have the physiology and some of the other Elite athletes but their preparation in the air. I'm attention to detail and then their ability to put a game face on and just get every ounce out of themselves on the day that some really remarkable. Other trusted resources that you could give people that you know, if they're interested in learning more about a certain, you know feeling technique or what have you what are some of those trusted resources that you can point people towards look a lot of good books and these days open access journals often provide a really good resource because they're available in the public domain and that's often a way of getting really recent information from Top. Researchers and practitioners, but I think if you can get that experience of working with someone yourself, you know to go and see a sports dietitian or a sports scientist and actually have the one-to-one relationship and the ability to do a lot of dynamic interaction. That's that that's that's terrific and we spent a lot of time trying to teach our practitioners to be able to represent Sports Nutrition as well as possible. So there's a whole Army of Sports dietitians in Australia, and in every other part of the world that should be able to help an athlete do their best job and I'm really proud that my colleagues can fly the flag for nutrition do a great job and there any specific questions that someone should ask so same with coaches same with you know, anything that has good and bad coaches and there's good and bad practitioners. What would be a couple of questions that people should be asking of that in the beginning of that relationship to ensure? It's a good fit. I don't know what I don't hate ask it directly. But I think I'd like to work with a practitioner who's not in it for themselves. Like it's not all about them and their career and their celebrity as a practitioner. If you could find someone who's really invested in helping athletes and would like to be in the background of doesn't want to make a dependent relationship. I think that's really important. And I mean that's what we sanding contradictory to what I said before about you know, when I That's a lot to have them benefit from that environment. But I also like to be in the background like I don't want it to be all about me and and when an athlete wins or whatever, I want them to be able to recognize it was their contribution. I don't expect anyone to say well I'd like to thank the weeds because it wouldn't have been possible without her because then that I mean that would be incredibly nice but it also be incredibly overstated so, you know, it's defined. I don't know how you asked that question. And you up yourself or is there a way in which you could find out enough about that person to think what's in it for them? Yeah, I'm probably background as well. Obviously, you know same with coaches there's a million and one of those. Yeah, so asking those questions around the background and the history and what they've done what they've done exactly exactly. Now you touched on a few upcoming or newish techniques a little earlier and I'm grateful for Julia the Of unit nutrition for bringing us together. So I want to talk specifically about carbohydrate rinsing and that technique and some of the developments that you've seen over the years in in that in that regard. Yes. So if we go back to the beginning the early interest in carbohydrate really started to push forward because we were interested in the fueling to the muscle and so the idea was that, you know, if you could get extra carbohydrates during an event consumed it Would be delivered to the muscle and the muscle would be able to make use of it, but it was only necessary in events that went longer than the body's ability to store its own glycogen and have it ready. They're so there are so many events where we thought don't worry about it. You know, you just turn up do you think on the day as long as you got reasonable glycogen stores, then nothing else needs to take place, but plenty of personal experiences and laboratory Studies have shown that some of these events and you could think of like a half Our Father 40K time trial the bike there was plenty of evidence that people did better when they had some carbohydrates during even though he said no, but the muscles got plenty of fuel like what you're taking in is so inconsequential compared with what the muscles got its can't have any effect and then asking you can droop Dutch researcher did a whole series of really systematically elegant studies to take that apart and one of the studies Eddie's that you did was to compare what happens when you infuse the glucose into the bloodstream and provide it to the muscle directly bypassing the gut and when you did it, that way there was no improvement in performance. So it seemed to be something special about the act of putting it into your mouth. And of course, if you've had the personal observation of doing that you recognize that, you know, if you're feeling a bit tired and flat and you have some carbs during the race you feel immediately better. You don't have to wait until it's been absorbed taken to the Salon in lined up to be a fuel source its instantaneous. So there seems to be something about the act of putting something in your mouth that does something that makes your body feel good and then people went on to then apply pet scanning techniques where brain Imaging was able to look at that aspect and find that putting carbohydrate in your mouth interacts with receptors in your tongue in your mouth in your gastrointestinal tract and it lights up parts of the brain that Operate in the area of reward and well-being and makes them feel good. So it all makes sense that this idea that once you put some carbs in your mouth and have contact with those receptors. Like if you saw it immediately, you're not going to get a lot of contact. But if you can keep it in your mouth sort of 5 to 10 seconds, then all those areas of the brain light up and suddenly you start feeling good again. And so that made good explanation of why people would feel better even though the muscle didn't need the fuel and then it led to More systematic observations of well, if it happens once can you do it again? I can use your brain like Homer Homer Simpson that you can keep track it and it is so as soon as you put something in your mouth gets the light it gets the benefit and then 10 minutes later you can do it again and it's like it never happened before and so it then let us to understanding that this regular consistent intake of carbohydrates and it didn't have to be actually consumed. I mean There's no disadvantage to swallowing it most cases but it did offer then some advantages and tricky situations where you might have an athlete who's not feeling that good in the stomach. They've been consuming things during the race and they're starting to feel a bit queasy and rather than just not having anything for a period till I start feeling better again being able to just swirl around your mouth and spit it out with sort of allow you to get the benefits from the brain perspective without having to threaten the Guts discomfort until you can then join it up and you know, there's other scenarios in sport where we might deliberately try and train with low carbohydrate availability to try and increase the stimulus and the training effect, but you feel bad when you do it, so you could come up with that scenario where you've got low carbohydrate availability, but you're swelling it in your mouth and spitting it out. So you're not into not interfering with the fact that you do actually want to have low. A availability but you're also allowing yourself to train a bit harder and feel a bit better than the misery that's normally associated with low glycogen training. So you gave a couple of practical examples there so, you know in a race or in a situation where you're feeling queasy and you're not necessarily wanting to feel anymore or in a lower carbohydrate training session or things like that. What are some of the other uses of a carbohydrate rinse product or something that could help where else would you see that being useful? You can add it to the fueling benefits of carbohydrates. So the way that we would change things now is that in the past we would have said well in sport as long as you get the carbs in it doesn't matter how you do it. So if we want to Target say 60 grams of carbs, you can just have it all at half-time in a soccer match and you've that's fuel for the muscle that makes the bill that the muscles down to have for fuel. So tick whereas now it's a spread it out more frequently. So not only does the muscle get that 60 grams of carbs, but the brain every time you putting it into the system is going to get the benefit of the effect making it feel better. So that that's sort of a different way of approaching it strategy or in a sport where you don't need to fuel. So it's a shorter event. Then you might say well don't really care about how much you take. We just want you to take some carbs and have the sensation of it more frequently so that could be for a lot of the shorter sessions or Of exercise that people do and it opens up, you know for lots of events, you know, you might want to be doing a 10K Fun Run or basketball or any sorts of those shorter sportswear fuel doesn't become limiting. But where you can just make yourself feel better and perform better just because you've got the the brain sensation. It's really interesting and the more people I talk to about it. You kind of see this lighting up, you know, pardon the pun of oh, and now I understand it makes sense to me and I think there's a bit more rich And research and education is becoming more available to people but it still feels a bit quite and Stein people kind of don't necessarily understand this process. Where do you think that the opportunity is there for more education and more availability to come from for this particular process of feeling. Well, I think look having products that help you do it so useful, but I also think that using them as a baseline or a vehicle for being able to do this. Education around it is really helpful cops got a bad sort of reputation at the moment and and many of us over consume them in terms of the energy requirements we have in our tolerance of carbohydrates. So being able to get the best of both worlds where you can get the brain effect without over consuming them for a lot of people could be useful. Even if it's someone who's doing exercise just to lose weight. I mean it drives me mad when you go to a gym and you see people in there and there rappelling at this sort of low frequency and you know that they're just trying to get fit and you know, they've probably been told by the doctor to go in and do some exercise to improve their weight control and metabolic profile, but they're sitting there and they've got 600 miles of a sports drink and they're sort of cancelled out the energy balance of the session, but they feel that they need it because they just need the drive to be able to keep doing things. If those people could switch to just having the mouth rings then they The Best of Both Worlds were they actually felt a bit better during the exercise session and enjoyed it more but they haven't sort of reduced the total physiological benefit of doing it by swapping solving it with carbs in sports events. I think the same thing would happen that if we gave people more education about strategies to consume carbohydrate or just swill carbohydrate over the event and get a better effect out of it. They certainly something in new to do and something that they could improve their performance with and then that gets them hooked into continuing to look for other avenues or just even to continue in their sport because they always feel there's a PB round the corner of they keep trying new evidence based ideas. All that's going to contribute to a better outcome in the long-term. What's next the obviously there no the developments in that and the research and education are you know, we're coming up to the 2020. Picks and you know, it's a major High watermark for athletic achievement. Every time the Olympic cycle cycle comes around. So what's what's next in Sports Nutrition? Well, I think the brains got a lot more that we can do to make use of its power to tell us how fast we can go and how well we can do things and it turns out that there's quite a few nutrients or other constituents in food that also react with brains brain function. So we've got Menthol that allows Allows us to feel cooler, which could be really useful for a hot environment like Tokyo. There's the bitter sensation that's often used with quinidine that gives you that flight-or-fight experience that just sudden sudden shock where you sort of find another gear that you didn't have we think that we mouth sense caffeine and there's probably a whole other range of different nutrients. Although there's some involved with some the trip Channel activists that That are involved with cramping. So there are now new mouth rinsing products that claim and should be investigated further around being able to to reduce the sensation to transfer to cramping in some longer events. So I think you know, the brain is an untapped organ in terms of sports performance. We've spent most of the last 40 years looking at what the muscle needs, but we forget that we are whole human being Beings and we've got a head on top of our muscles and that that that often directs the the traffic in terms of our Sports Performance. So things that we can do to exploit the brain and the nutrient interactions with the brain. I think that's still going to be a big news Concept in Sports Nutrition for the least the next couple of decades. What about you? Personally? What's next for you? Athletic was? Oh well marathons. I really am interested to see Laura can hold my performance as I get older and I want to get those six Marathon major Marathon targets ticked off. So I've still got to do Boston and Tokyo to get that medal and then I'll just try and age gracefully and get to the top of the leaderboard with some of the age group things. There's always something you could do and meanwhile, I've got a son who swims and plays water. The polo and Rose and soccer. So I've got plenty of opportunity to be the parent on the sidelines and working with a really young athlete and trying to help them get the best out of their sport. What's up, tell me a bit more about that balance. You're obviously, you know, you're busy with work. You've got your own athletic goals. You've got a family. Like, how do you how do you balance at all? Hmm. My husband calls me n plus 1 because what he means is that whatever resources or time or money or whatever it is. That I've got I always do one more thing and it drives him Bonkers, but it keeps me happy. Yeah, so busy as your balance, this is your balance, but trying to be more efficient with what I do and just care about the stuff that's really important and recognize just how important family and friends are in making your life really fun. What are some final words that you might have for for anyone who's listening or watching and they're maybe they're looking for marginal gain incremental performance boost and it doesn't necessarily have to be about nutrition but maybe some other things that you've learnt through your own athletic Journey or you know business Journey family Journey that can just help them and give them a little bit of a boost as their as a movement towards their next goal. Well, I think two things we've already talked about is what is that luck plays a huge role in your life, but you've got to be in the position to recognize an opportunity and then to to be able to run with it. And so I think everybody should have enough opportunities in their life just to look at what's happening in to say I can go with that. Maybe that's not plan a that I have but this plan B's are really good thing and you can invest in it and it turns out to be the best thing. ass and I think the other thing is that you know, when you get a life where you're able to integrate things that you love doing with something that pays enough money and you know keeps you off the street and then there's something that you can involve all your family and friends with I to be able to really rather than compartmentalizing life to wrap to make it all integrate with all those things that you love doing and need to do that's that's the best kind of life you can have and I've you know, maybe it's just lucky that I've been able to To do it, but gosh, I wouldn't I wouldn't want any other thing and you know you if you can look back over your life just say well wasn't that fantastic. That's great. Very well said how can people find you how can people follow you? I'm on Twitter. I have a Love/Hate relationship with Twitter is you can contact me through the heroes and then just look at all the different Publications and things that I hope will continue both in sort of the peer-reviewed literature. And also some of them just practice practical literature amazing. Well Louise, it's been a pleasure so great to meet you. Thank you for your time today and all the best will be forming new Journey for the sixth American makers. Thanks very much as big bud. Well, that was the Leesburg. I hope you enjoyed the conversation. I made a ton of notes of further reading and techniques and products. I wanted to look into and I'll share some of those in the show notes for you if you enjoyed the show at Love to hear from you. I'd love if you could go and leave a review wherever you listen to your podcasts and make sure you let Louise know that you enjoyed the episode send her a note on Twitter. She's super responsive and a great source of knowledge and resources. I've said it before but I look forward to bringing you more great conversations on a more consistent basis over a few special episodes lined up that I recorded earlier this year, which will bring out over the next few weeks and months. Thank you so much for listening now get out there and embrace the day cheers and all the best. East

Our brain holds more power than we know. The science and research in sports nutrition has almost entirely focused on what the muscles need, and that's all changing thanks to industry leader and my guest, Louise Burke. "We forget that we are whole human beings, and we've got a head on top of our muscles and that often directs the traffic in terms of our (sports) performance." - Louise Burke When Louise speaks, people listen. And that was the case when I spent a morning with her in New York, following her participation in the New York Marathon. As a fellow Aussie, I was excited to meet her. Having grown up in Australia, where Burke's books on sports nutrition grace bookshelves across the country. My parents use recipes from those books to this day, almost 20 years on. Aside from generational recipe creation, Burke's legacy is guaranteed via her three decades of work with the Australian Institute of Sport, working directly with the world's best athletes and coaches. Her research and knowledge focused on carbohydrate fueling, and utilization is game-changing and has resulted in multiple Olympic medals. In fact, any athlete with goals to increase their performance can benefit from Burke's findings. To understand where the opportunity lies, we must look back at where we've come. For most of us, we have the personal observation and recognition that if we're feeling a bit tired and flat during a race or a training session, we consume carbohydrates and feel immediately better. We don't have to wait until it's absorbed and taken to the muscle to use it as a fuel source. It's instantaneous. This is one of the many concepts we discuss when it comes to fueling and carbohydrate use in sports. We also discuss where the future of nutrition lies in elite sport. This conversation is a fascinating look into the life of one of the world's greatest scientist, who has been able to develop her career in putting science into practice. Thanks to Julia from Unit Nutrition for bringing Louise and me together. Because of this introduction we spent time touching on the innovative practice of mouth-rinsing carbohydrates. As Burke mentioned, "there seems to be something about the act of putting carbohydrates in your mouth that makes your body feel good." And the research proves it. "When we use brain imaging techniques, we can see that putting carbohydrates in your mouth interacts with receptors on your tongue, in your mouth, and your gastrointestinal tract, and it lights up parts of the brain that operate in the area of reward and wellbeing." While there's an immediate impact, Burke goes on to state, "It all makes sense that once you put some carbs in your mouth, they'll have contact with those receptors, if you swallow it immediately you're not going to get a lot of contact. But if you can keep it in your mouth for five to 10 seconds, then all those areas of the brain light up, and suddenly you start feeling good again." But what about the future? It turns out; there are quite a few ingredients in food that also impact our brain function. Burke and other leading scientists are researching these effects, with the upcoming 2020 Olympics clearly in their sights. Each Olympics represents a new high-watermark in human achievement. So what's next? Specifically, in a high-temperature setting and environment like Tokyo, cooling strategies are top of mind. Burke said, n"menthol allows us to feel cooler, which could be useful for a hot environment like Tokyo." The research doesn't stop there, Burke states, "there's the bitter sensation that's used with Quinine that gives you a fight or flight experience, a sudden shock where you may find another gear that you didn't have."